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00:03:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37300 @ 0.00058663 = 21.8813 BTC [+] {2}

00:18:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35750 @ 0.00058156 = 20.7908 BTC [-] {3}

00:31:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33700 @ 0.0005812 = 19.5864 BTC [-] {2}

00:32:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22050 @ 0.00058874 = 12.9817 BTC [+] {4}

00:43:56 deedbot-: [Qntra] Qntra (S.QNTR) February 2016 Report - http://qntra.net/2016/03/qntra-s-qntr-february-2016-report/

00:44:07 BingoBoingo: deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/24MYF1J.txt

00:44:08 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1pmp7OE )

00:44:12 deedbot-: rejected: 1

00:44:47 BingoBoingo: deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/0X484WG.txt

00:44:49 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1pmpeJO )

00:44:50 deedbot-: accepted: 1

00:46:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35300 @ 0.00059143 = 20.8775 BTC [+]

00:47:39 jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-02-2016#1418008 lol i measure my coffee consumption by "does the shit smell like coffee? if not, all ok"

00:47:39 assbot: Logged on 29-02-2016 06:24:02; BingoBoingo: Wait, you don't drink it all by the pot?

00:49:32 jurov: but i started to mix it with cereal/chicory coffee to make it easy on stomach

00:52:11 BingoBoingo: Ah, a couple days after I open a can I'll start adding cold milk to it when I pour for the same reason

00:54:09 BingoBoingo: I don't really have chicory around this time of year

01:00:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32342 @ 0.0005812 = 18.7972 BTC [-] {2}

01:05:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28002 @ 0.0005812 = 16.2748 BTC [-] {2}

01:15:23 deedbot-: [Trilema] What MP wants MP gets, the funarg problem and other Mecano considerations - http://trilema.com/2016/what-mp-wants-mp-gets-the-funarg-problem-and-other-mecano-considerations/

01:16:24 ben_vulpes: looks like i changed nicks 7/29/2014

01:16:25 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-02-2016#1418468 << no, it's an argument in flavor of linux.

01:16:25 assbot: Logged on 29-02-2016 19:42:04; trinque: and obviously the hardware's all rotten too; I get that, but that's not an argument in favor of linux.

01:18:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40036 @ 0.00058011 = 23.2253 BTC [-] {3}

01:18:19 ben_vulpes: what flavor of linux though?

01:20:12 mircea_popescu: nono, in flavor of linux. like, in the style of bosch.

01:21:23 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-02-2016#1418478 << i vaguely recall BingoBoingo sort-of trying

01:21:23 assbot: Logged on 29-02-2016 20:19:25; asciilifeform: anyone ever build a working trb on openbsd ?

01:23:29 BingoBoingo: I have a partially trb-icized 7 series in the name of implementation pluralism. No earthly idea what all changes happened.

01:24:40 mircea_popescu: on bsd ?

01:24:56 asciilifeform: phf had stator on bsd.

01:25:02 asciilifeform: but no one, to date - rotor.

01:25:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.00057892 = 11.0574 BTC [-] {3}

01:25:40 asciilifeform: now rotor is not ~quite~ as necessary on bsd, because drepper is absent there. BUT we still need deterministic nailed-down toolchain, esp. for when we finally do the deterministic binary thing.

01:26:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39200 @ 0.00058768 = 23.0371 BTC [+] {2}

01:26:45 mircea_popescu: aha

01:27:06 mircea_popescu: besides, as per satoshi's argument ("no, don't bring it on"), might not be the smartest thing in the world to give drepper incentive to exist on bsd anyway

01:27:30 asciilifeform: the idea is to categorically cut off the very possibility of drepper existing.

01:27:35 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: On OpenBSD. It's the one I chopped together mostly while drunk and still works.

01:27:47 mircea_popescu: aha

01:29:11 BingoBoingo: Dropped in low-s a month or two (mebbe 3) before trb, has -minrelaytx flag, from trb orphanage slaughters and malleus were definitely implemented. Other things but would take reading to recall them.

01:30:15 mircea_popescu: cool.

01:30:42 ben_vulpes: hue, ether's hardforking already?

01:31:07 deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.50000000 BTC on 'No' - Donald Trump will win the 2016 United States Presidential Election - http://bitbet.us/bet/1250/donald-trump-will-win-the-2016-united-states/#b7

01:31:27 BingoBoingo: oh? did they drop the old bottle with the precipitated peroxides already?

01:31:52 ben_vulpes: https://github.com/ethereum/EIPs/blob/master/EIPS/eip-2.mediawiki and https://github.com/ethereum/EIPs/blob/master/EIPS/eip-7.md, although the latter is only noted as a hardfork on a blog page

01:31:53 assbot: EIPs/eip-2.mediawiki at master · ethereum/EIPs · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1TMDFSG )

01:31:54 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1TMDFSI )

01:32:33 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-02-2016#1418548 << ben_dog!

01:32:33 assbot: Logged on 29-02-2016 23:13:58; *: ben_vulpes shits in sink, eats from toilet bowl, never knew to do anything else before 2013

01:33:55 mod6: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-March/000217.html

01:33:57 assbot: [BTC-dev] The Bitcoin Foundation: STATE OF BITCOIN ADDRESS ... ( http://bit.ly/1ndQyZg )

01:34:02 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Seriously, they heated their Ether up into a gas?! No wonder it is already hardforking everywhere.

01:34:27 ben_vulpes: tastes great with alf_dog

01:35:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10817 @ 0.00057878 = 6.2607 BTC [-] {2}

01:36:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35583 @ 0.00057749 = 20.5488 BTC [-] {3}

01:39:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52850 @ 0.00058798 = 31.0747 BTC [+] {2}

01:42:18 ben_vulpes: why are all of the self-hosted rss readers written in php

01:42:38 ben_vulpes: i found one in rubby

01:44:06 fluffypony: ben_vulpes: because PHP is secure and easy to use

01:44:20 fluffypony: everything should just be written in PHP

01:44:30 fluffypony: Bitcoin should switch to the Timekoin codebase

01:45:14 *: ben_vulpes bites

01:45:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26450 @ 0.00059143 = 15.6433 BTC [+]

01:46:15 ben_vulpes: heh

01:46:18 ben_vulpes: gold, fluffypony

01:46:37 fluffypony: btw did anyone else notice that RealSolid is back?

01:47:58 fluffypony: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1381328.0

01:47:59 assbot: MicroCash. Now in Alpha 2 release. ... ( http://bit.ly/1TMG67K )

01:51:18 ben_vulpes: > juices flowing

02:02:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25502 @ 0.00058137 = 14.8261 BTC [-] {2}

02:07:46 mats: hot

02:10:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28185 @ 0.00058138 = 16.3862 BTC [+]

02:24:47 phf: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-01-2016#1366068

02:24:48 assbot: Logged on 11-01-2016 05:12:12; phf: ben_vulpes: i'll take at look in the next few days, but one quick comment, fwiw i built it on a 32-bit openbsd.

02:24:52 phf: and http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-01-2016#1366069

02:24:52 assbot: Logged on 11-01-2016 05:13:29; phf: the goal was to run it on a libretto and try to eat the first couple of blocks, but it wouldn't even connect to rpc for whatever reason, so i gave up on the whole distraction

02:25:47 phf: now that there was a suggestion of treating specific openbsd version as baseline, i think problem was that i built in on one openbsd and tried running on another

02:26:42 phf: node was running fine inside a virtualbox openbsd though, same one that i built it on.

02:26:47 asciilifeform: wai wut, openbsd has no stable abi at all ?!!!

02:27:08 phf: hehehe

02:27:38 mircea_popescu: fluffypony> everything should just be written in PHP << word.

02:28:11 phf: asciilifeform: they take a "we'll make sure to break abi, rebuild from source every time" position

02:28:25 mircea_popescu: not even sure this is wrong.

02:30:46 asciilifeform: this is only a good thing in the sense that spraying ddt in every room of your house is.

02:30:51 asciilifeform: yes, no mosquitoes.

02:31:16 asciilifeform: but this is simply yet another way for mosquitoes to win.

02:31:40 mircea_popescu: i guess.

02:32:17 mircea_popescu: in other news, til i learned that the criteria for "fridge big enough" is : if one discrete item won't fit, push. if it now fits, fridge is big enough. if it still won't fit, "wtf is with these tiny-ass euro style fridges already!!1"

02:32:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15170 @ 0.00058571 = 8.8852 BTC [+] {2}

02:34:42 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i was tempted throughout eulora lifetime to go "fu, no binaries, compile, always". and i can still contemplate why this would be the case with trb.

02:34:51 mircea_popescu: heck, isn't the whole v system technically speaking just this ?

02:35:21 asciilifeform: sure is.

02:35:29 mircea_popescu: so then.... still not sure this is wrong.

02:35:38 mircea_popescu: ddt persuasiveness notwithstanding.

02:35:55 asciilifeform: it isn't ~wrong~, merely annoying.

02:35:56 mircea_popescu: the brothel is also "just another way for housewife to win", at least according to her.

02:36:09 asciilifeform: gotta decide how much ddt you want to spray in your living room.

02:36:15 asciilifeform: this is in some ways a personal choice.

02:36:37 phf: i thought whole exercise is to produce byte to byte equivalent binaries, as another step in verification process. "sealed vpatches -> press -> binary -> shasum"

02:37:00 mircea_popescu: where this comparison breaks down is that your biology is fundamentally cunt-based and perl-run. you necessarily respirate the ddt. meanwhile, your mental life is supposed to be hermetic and under your control. you shouldn't fucking respirate the environment wtf.

02:37:10 mircea_popescu: phf yeah.

02:37:16 asciilifeform: (the ultimate thermonuclear version of this is to ~randomly generate~ a cpu arch, instantiate on an fpga ~and generate a compiler~, and compile for THAT! and i was very sad as a student to discover that one cristina cifuentes invented this long before i did)

02:37:20 mircea_popescu: and i appreciate your "is to produce" construction :)

02:38:25 mircea_popescu: for they not blessed with knowledge of actual languages, there's significant aspectual difference between "is to produce" which talks of the state, like to be, and "produces", which talks of movement.

02:38:29 asciilifeform: and wow, that name was buried in the nethermost depths of my skull before this convo.

02:38:45 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform women in tech.

02:38:54 asciilifeform: i have nfi if it even was an actual woman.

02:39:06 asciilifeform: was just a name.

02:39:27 mircea_popescu: yeah is woman, worked for oracle.

02:39:33 mircea_popescu: you mean her, no ?

02:39:38 asciilifeform: probably

02:39:43 mircea_popescu: reverse compilation techniques etc

02:40:19 asciilifeform: http://zyloid.com/recomposer/files/decompilation_thesis.pdf << aha

02:40:21 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/21y2t6Y )

02:40:21 asciilifeform: ^ thesis

02:40:47 asciilifeform: had an almost-useful x86 decompiler before 'hexray'.

02:40:51 asciilifeform: first, afaik.

02:48:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18309 @ 0.00057733 = 10.5703 BTC [-] {2}

02:49:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4441 @ 0.00057628 = 2.5593 BTC [-]

02:55:09 asciilifeform: now i gotta ask, how does mircea_popescu know that it was 'actual woman'

02:55:21 asciilifeform: met in the flesh ?

02:56:20 mircea_popescu: nah.

02:57:06 asciilifeform: https://cryptome.org/2016/02/usg-apple-edny-029.pdf << lulz! apple 'wins'

02:57:08 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/21y4ShZ )

02:57:19 asciilifeform: mega-muppet-warz

03:07:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21638 @ 0.00057628 = 12.4695 BTC [-]

03:16:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00058594 = 6.7969 BTC [+] {3}

03:21:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18300 @ 0.00059143 = 10.8232 BTC [+]

03:24:21 ben_vulpes: the only line i have for coworkers and plebs on this topic is "you haven't thought for half a second why the /nsa/ didn't bring this suit?"

03:26:34 mircea_popescu: on which side ?

03:29:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00059143 = 11.7103 BTC [+]

03:30:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64950 @ 0.00057612 = 37.419 BTC [-] {3}

03:30:44 ben_vulpes: the fbi's side - why would they argue apple's side?

03:30:53 ben_vulpes: but really it's ambiguous for a reason

03:31:30 ben_vulpes: got someone bought in on the "drop on first packet or gtfo" mentality, but still have to conquer the "well first you have to transfer the IP buffered packets into user space" mindset

03:31:50 ben_vulpes: "because lol what we're going to fab our own chips?"

03:31:53 ben_vulpes: mwell now that you ask...

03:33:09 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what's your cad poison of choice?

03:37:36 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes> got someone bought in on the "drop on first packet or gtfo" mentality, but still have to conquer the "well first you have to transfer the IP buffered packets into user space" mindset <<< can you say this in other words ?

03:40:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60500 @ 0.00059143 = 35.7815 BTC [+]

03:41:40 ben_vulpes: "yeah man! big challenge though is to get it to operate at line speed."

03:42:16 ben_vulpes: "pff line speed. you still need to get the buffered packets from the kernel into userspace, and that's an abstraction you'll have a hard time getting around."

03:42:50 ben_vulpes: because the counterparty in this conversation is not thinking of gossipd as a device but a proggy that runs on a computer.

03:50:17 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i have a (unpublished, for good reasons) prototype that doesn't have 'kernel' or 'userland' at all, but just this bare metal thing that sets up the nic ring buffer (coreboot payload) and loops, checks rsa, retransmits on other nic...

03:50:38 asciilifeform: on ordinary (well, 'pcengines' pancake) computer.

03:51:23 asciilifeform: asm, it's good for you.

03:52:36 mats: that sounds fun

03:52:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70150 @ 0.00059146 = 41.4909 BTC [+] {2}

03:53:22 asciilifeform: mats: the idea is, a kind of line-speed (GB ethernet) wall, where crud goes in, and valid in-wot gossipd out.

03:53:32 asciilifeform: if so much as 1 packet per billion is valid.

03:56:57 mats: did you actually write the routines in asm?

03:57:10 asciilifeform: aha.

03:57:46 asciilifeform: but doesn't work as well as i'd like, not line speed (uses dumb bignum)

03:58:18 asciilifeform: i will pick this back up again when there is reason to.

04:01:40 asciilifeform: the idea is very simple, anybody who really wants to can pick his favourite nic chipset and implement.

04:02:20 asciilifeform: not much in terms of moving parts, ought to handily fit in a nic boot rom.

04:06:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80050 @ 0.00059441 = 47.5825 BTC [+] {7}

04:07:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48600 @ 0.00058718 = 28.5369 BTC [-] {2}

04:19:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26070 @ 0.00058718 = 15.3078 BTC [-] {2}

04:20:13 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> if so much as 1 packet per billion is valid. << this sounds like the ticket.

04:31:20 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that's what 'line speed' means.

04:31:31 asciilifeform: it means that the crud doesn't affect the valid payloads.

04:31:37 asciilifeform: in whatever way.

04:31:50 asciilifeform: (at least, not after it leaves isp)

04:34:54 mircea_popescu: aha.

04:35:00 mircea_popescu: i could see even dedicating a box to this.

04:35:09 mircea_popescu: make it a nice firewall.

04:35:12 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that's sorta how it is meant to work.

04:35:45 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: prototyped on one of these, https://rhomberg.org/images/apu-oberseite.jpg

04:35:47 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Seh15M )

04:37:42 asciilifeform: ^ these are prolly the only 100% open x86 box presently made

04:37:56 asciilifeform: (no-turd firmware, full schematics)

04:40:35 mircea_popescu: aha

04:45:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15806 @ 0.00057979 = 9.1642 BTC [-]

04:47:52 punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CcWIHP3UYAIO3uC.jpg:large

04:47:53 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Sei9X6 )

04:52:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15847 @ 0.00058068 = 9.202 BTC [+] {2}

05:14:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81067 @ 0.00058044 = 47.0545 BTC [-]

05:21:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51722 @ 0.00058227 = 30.1162 BTC [+] {2}

05:22:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70655 @ 0.00058231 = 41.1431 BTC [+]

05:25:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88741 @ 0.00058908 = 52.2755 BTC [+] {2}

05:32:46 ben_vulpes: jurov: highly nifty

05:33:08 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: and the reason you picked tinyscheme over say ecl is...footprint? dreppers in ecl?

05:33:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65926 @ 0.00059659 = 39.3308 BTC [+] {4}

05:38:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8759 @ 0.00059563 = 5.2171 BTC [-]

05:56:53 deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Waiting for Taleb. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/02/29/waiting-for-taleb/

05:59:56 punkman: http://40.media.tumblr.com/2ca58ec1f4c5e9433a1819e5768ba8cc/tumblr_nxlqxvLkvx1uyzll2o1_1280.jpg

05:59:57 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1QoJn8J )

06:01:56 ben_vulpes: welp

06:02:07 ben_vulpes: flycheck just deleted the contents of an entire buffer

06:02:11 ben_vulpes: there's one for the dustbin.

06:13:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31608 @ 0.00058461 = 18.4784 BTC [-]

06:46:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15350 @ 0.00058406 = 8.9653 BTC [-]

07:16:04 punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFHJ41ktt3Q

07:16:05 assbot: Merle Haggard -- Are The Good Times Really Over - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/21yCNY1 )

07:20:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67792 @ 0.00058432 = 39.6122 BTC [+] {2}

07:21:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27900 @ 0.00059023 = 16.4674 BTC [+]

07:22:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14321 @ 0.00059023 = 8.4527 BTC [+]

07:28:24 deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 30.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - http://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/#b127

07:30:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43951 @ 0.000591 = 25.975 BTC [+]

07:36:49 ben_vulpes: HOOOOOOOOOO

07:42:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6087 @ 0.00059023 = 3.5927 BTC [-]

07:43:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90516 @ 0.0005816 = 52.6441 BTC [-] {4}

08:01:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16356 @ 0.00057992 = 9.4852 BTC [-] {2}

08:10:38 ben_vulpes: phf: here's a stumper

08:11:24 ben_vulpes: while last night the swank flags worked just handily, tonight, passing the swank flag to a booting bitcoind results in an error, "too short", from scheme.cpp

08:11:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52330 @ 0.00057932 = 30.3158 BTC [-] {2}

08:12:25 ben_vulpes: running the /exact same/ bitcoind command runs something that i can telnet into and scream lisp at

08:18:12 ben_vulpes: wtf this was working yesterday

08:21:37 botneko-chan: Why all that panic about filled up backlog and slow transcations? Sent btc today with 0.0005 fee and it got 6 confirmations in 2h

08:26:46 ben_vulpes: there's no actual panic, botneko-chan. there are a zillion for-hire-for-pennies social media accounts supporting some nsa plants attempts to matter with kindergarten grade psyops.

08:29:20 ben_vulpes: phf, nevermind, i'm a classic core derp

08:31:05 botneko-chan: I support Core too

08:32:43 ben_vulpes: botneko-chan: what is Core?

08:34:22 botneko-chan: I mean main bitcoin dev team and so, not a forks like Classic or XT

08:35:30 ben_vulpes: what do the Core people think about increasing the block size?

08:37:04 ben_vulpes: botneko-chan: ^^

08:40:28 botneko-chan: I'm actually not very interested in btc politics, but in my opinion if increase block size then miners would get less profit from tx processing when there would be no new btc mined. Mining would become non-rentable and hashpower will decrease after some time then making easier for someone to get 51% just by turning on ol ASIC that was turned off because of low profit. I'm okay with current blocks and higher fees, in my o

08:41:24 botneko-chan: not for cents, there is need to design overlay network for faster low-fee small payment processing instead of increasing block size

08:42:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 134032 @ 0.00057928 = 77.6421 BTC [-] {2}

08:44:35 ben_vulpes: not interested in btc politics botneko-chan ? just in it for the ddos?

08:46:51 botneko-chan: I'm using bitcoin and like it, but wasn't tracking fork-related discussions before someone payd for DDoS'ing Classic

08:47:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74092 @ 0.00057858 = 42.8681 BTC [-]

08:52:51 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-02-2016#1395250 << asciilifeform what was the actual trigger for the blackhole? requesting a specific transaction?

08:52:51 assbot: Logged on 03-02-2016 16:52:56; ascii_butugychag: blackhole results when the worker thread (the one that handles nearly everything) is wedged

08:54:01 ben_vulpes: i am also curious to hear about how long the bitcoind recompile is in your various workflows, asciilifeform, phf, mod6, punkman, jurov

08:54:06 ben_vulpes: !up cazalla

08:54:08 ben_vulpes: hey boss

08:54:13 cazalla: thanks ben_vulpes, good evening :)

08:54:25 Naphex: morning

08:54:28 punkman: ben_vulpes: compiles pretty fast

08:55:30 ben_vulpes: punkman: like 10ms? 100ms? 1s?

08:55:36 ben_vulpes: cazalla: good to see you key in hand

08:55:50 ben_vulpes: heh

08:56:07 ben_vulpes: briefly considered 'cock in hand'

08:56:56 cazalla: ben_vulpes, i wonder which i actually value more :P

08:56:57 ben_vulpes: hm actually i upped you so how would i know

08:57:11 cazalla: well, i just auth'd so no matter

08:57:32 ben_vulpes: yeah, i saw the second go through, but i don't think there's a guarantee that *you* did the second one.

08:57:38 ben_vulpes: can we down each other?

08:57:40 ben_vulpes: !down cazalla

08:57:42 punkman: ben_vulpes: a few seconds maybe

08:57:45 cazalla: !down ben_vulpes

08:57:49 cazalla: guess not

08:57:56 ben_vulpes: !up SuchWow

08:57:59 ben_vulpes: !down SuchWow

08:58:22 ben_vulpes: ah and assbot yelled at me too

08:58:23 ben_vulpes: well hi!

08:58:27 cazalla: likewise

08:58:41 ben_vulpes: !up SuchWow if you have complaints to render feel free to do so here

08:58:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27950 @ 0.00058264 = 16.2848 BTC [+] {3}

08:58:52 SuchWow: Greetings investors

08:58:54 SuchWow: how goes it :)

08:59:03 ben_vulpes: i'll not talk to any 'staff-emeritus' in pm

08:59:03 cazalla: i remember you SuchWow

08:59:07 SuchWow: ben_vulpes: i have no complaints lol

08:59:22 SuchWow: whatever, it's literally true, it's just a tag, get over it lol

08:59:23 ben_vulpes: well i'm just having a conversation with an old friend i haven't seen in a few weeks, but thanks for getting involved!

08:59:33 SuchWow: hey now, you upped me lol :)

08:59:45 ben_vulpes: why so butthurt

08:59:49 SuchWow: about what?

08:59:50 cazalla: still have those dogecoin investments SuchWow ?

08:59:51 ben_vulpes: anyways, how's the second cooking, cazalla ?

09:00:17 SuchWow: cazalla: nah i stopped trading about 1.5 years ago, and have been working IT ever since, no time for trading

09:00:24 cazalla: ben_vulpes, good, missus looks bigger the second time around for some reason, prenatal appt with nurse today confirmed that as well

09:00:27 SuchWow: i still watch charts and chatter daily just to keep up with it for fun tho

09:00:41 ben_vulpes: how many weeks along?

09:00:46 ben_vulpes: b/g?

09:00:52 SuchWow: congrats

09:01:04 cazalla: girl, due early june, 5 months, not sure on weeks top of my head

09:01:09 cazalla: thanks SuchWow

09:01:20 ben_vulpes: that's two!

09:01:23 cazalla: ben_vulpes, how's your little one?

09:01:24 ben_vulpes: two dowries!

09:01:33 ben_vulpes: cazalla: rolled over the other day!

09:01:37 cazalla: fun times :)

09:02:12 ben_vulpes: there's only so much damage the little fuckling can do in 485 ft2

09:02:20 cazalla: i am looking forward to those things again, times seems to have gone so fast with the first, one moment he can barely roll and lift his head but now it's all walkin' and talkin'

09:02:55 ben_vulpes: your first was a male?

09:03:14 cazalla: yeah, a boy named Noah, he turned 2 January just gone

09:03:35 ben_vulpes: pardon, i misremembered.

09:03:46 cazalla: all good, kids galore here these days, easy to lose track

09:03:52 ben_vulpes: starting to give a shit about his dad yet?

09:04:23 cazalla: i get more cuddles and kisses, but he only turns the tears on if mum leaves, not when dad goes out, doesn't seem to care as much

09:04:41 ben_vulpes: MORE FROWNING

09:05:06 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351555 << four months in, beginning to reheheheally feel this

09:05:06 assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 08:11:50; *: mircea_popescu is reasonably impressed. had ben_vulpes pegged for "this guy's managed to put himself in a texbook model of a place where guys crack".

09:06:02 cazalla: it's as hard as it is enjoyable

09:06:04 SuchWow: Just out of curiosity, what do you guys think about ethereum, meaning this chan in general

09:06:33 SuchWow: i'm not super well versed, but it's come up enough to make me go hmm, plus those charts are cray cray lol

09:06:41 punkman: SuchWow: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=22-01-2016#1381117

09:06:41 assbot: Logged on 22-01-2016 16:20:52; punkman: terminal: just salty that we didn't buy mp's cheap eth

09:06:52 cazalla: SuchWow, i don't really follow altcoins, so many of them, so many failures, bitcoin remains #1 despite all the 2.0 shit that has been promised to topple it all these years

09:06:55 punkman: ;;calc 0.01507 * 2000

09:06:56 gribble: 30.14

09:06:57 SuchWow: punkman: haha

09:07:23 punkman: 1 bitcoin of ETH at first sale is worth 30 now

09:07:27 SuchWow: cazalla: that's reasonable. i don't really either, it's just that it's been hard to NOT hear about that one over the last year

09:07:48 SuchWow: yeah pre-sale woulda been nice, but i don't blame myself one bit for not buying the hype

09:07:50 cazalla: SuchWow, even if it was the second coming, idgaf as it will inflate forever

09:08:25 SuchWow: wasn't there some thing where the algo was gonna force POW to stop and switch to POS even tho no POS algo had been invented yet

09:08:29 SuchWow: did they ever fix that i wonder

09:08:51 ben_vulpes: i wonder how the conversation drifted from parenting to shillcoins

09:08:55 cazalla: not sure, from what i know it will change to pos at some point and then inflate the supply forever

09:09:06 ben_vulpes: must be that dogecoin guy again

09:09:15 cazalla: well, back to parent, ben_vulpes did you end up going ahead with co-sleeping?

09:09:21 ben_vulpes: mhm!

09:09:30 cazalla: how is that going?

09:09:42 ben_vulpes: putting the pressure on to get him into his bassinet more regularly

09:09:51 ben_vulpes: well he sleeps through the night, let's start there

09:10:02 ben_vulpes: stirs a mite, gets fed, goes back to sleep.

09:10:03 SuchWow: ben_vulpes: i just asked a question, why so butthurt

09:10:25 cazalla: from 3 months, my boy slept 7pm-7am like clockwork, but when teething began so did around 6 months of shitty sleeping

09:10:30 SuchWow: anyhow, i'll leave you guys to it, be well!

09:10:34 punkman: ;;calc 15000 * 0.01507

09:10:34 gribble: 226.05

09:10:39 SuchWow: i enjoy our twice a year talks lol

09:10:42 ben_vulpes: some real horrific tiny house gypsy shit: 2 adults, 1 infant and 80lbs of ferocious lovedog in a queen bed

09:10:45 cazalla: lol seeya SuchWow

09:11:12 punkman: anton_osika's 3 btc would be 226 now http://pastebin.com/NbPrZS9A

09:11:13 assbot: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Future Delivery Contract Fo - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1QiQ39M )

09:12:22 cazalla: well, he can always sign and collect it punkman

09:14:16 punkman: probably a bit late for that

09:15:43 ben_vulpes: probably more crowded than anything mircea_popescu engages in willingly, and i don't even like it.

09:17:14 punkman: rental?

09:17:38 ben_vulpes: ofc

09:19:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58500 @ 0.000577 = 33.7545 BTC [-] {4}

09:23:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86709 @ 0.00057553 = 49.9036 BTC [-] {5}

09:29:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51150 @ 0.00057488 = 29.4051 BTC [-] {2}

09:38:24 punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ccbgb0CXIAEbwoL.jpg:large

09:38:26 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1VOdGcL )

09:55:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64668 @ 0.0005744 = 37.1453 BTC [-] {2}

09:56:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10688 @ 0.00057378 = 6.1326 BTC [-]

10:27:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16190 @ 0.00058216 = 9.4252 BTC [+]

10:33:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36176 @ 0.00058261 = 21.0765 BTC [+] {2}

10:35:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27113 @ 0.0005829 = 15.8042 BTC [+]

10:36:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6937 @ 0.00058422 = 4.0527 BTC [+]

10:42:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53100 @ 0.00058488 = 31.0571 BTC [+] {4}

11:07:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00058516 = 1.7555 BTC [+]

11:39:56 jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2016#1418803 sadly, i don't really have any trb workflow. except that i sit down on it for few days once few months

11:39:56 assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 08:54:01; ben_vulpes: i am also curious to hear about how long the bitcoind recompile is in your various workflows, asciilifeform, phf, mod6, punkman, jurov

11:42:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68450 @ 0.00057521 = 39.3731 BTC [-] {6}

11:47:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33400 @ 0.00058518 = 19.545 BTC [+] {4}

12:05:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88850 @ 0.00058764 = 52.2118 BTC [+] {4}

12:13:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56311 @ 0.00058419 = 32.8963 BTC [-] {3}

12:28:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61450 @ 0.00057354 = 35.244 BTC [-] {4}

12:35:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20850 @ 0.00057347 = 11.9568 BTC [-] {2}

12:40:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 129749 @ 0.00057599 = 74.7341 BTC [+] {2}

13:01:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66657 @ 0.0005899 = 39.321 BTC [+] {5}

13:06:13 shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2016#1418918 <<< if I may interject, I have yet to have a trb recompile take longer than an hour even if I bork something up.

13:06:13 assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 11:39:56; assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 08:54:01; ben_vulpes: i am also curious to hear about how long the bitcoind recompile is in your various workflows, asciilifeform, phf, mod6, punkman, jurov

13:15:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15600 @ 0.00059088 = 9.2177 BTC [+] {3}

13:16:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63800 @ 0.000591 = 37.7058 BTC [+]

13:25:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59900 @ 0.00058376 = 34.9672 BTC [-] {2}

13:32:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16568 @ 0.00059099 = 9.7915 BTC [+] {2}

13:34:07 mircea_popescu: aghagaga punkman what the everloving fuck is that. companion cheesecake for "the graduate" ?

13:38:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42270 @ 0.00059178 = 25.0145 BTC [+] {2}

13:42:04 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2016#1418767 << did it have any flies in it ?

13:42:04 assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 06:02:07; ben_vulpes: flycheck just deleted the contents of an entire buffer

13:42:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22544 @ 0.00059398 = 13.3907 BTC [+] {3}

13:44:09 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2016#1418795 << this has been discussed at length in the logs. yes, it's pretty dumb.

13:44:09 assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 08:40:28; botneko-chan: I'm actually not very interested in btc politics, but in my opinion if increase block size then miners would get less profit from tx processing when there would be no new btc mined. Mining would become non-rentable and hashpower will decrease after some time then making easier for someone to get 51% just by turning on ol ASIC that was turned off because of low profit. I'm okay with current blocks and h

13:44:43 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2016#1418803 << about 18-20 minutes.

13:44:43 assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 08:54:01; ben_vulpes: i am also curious to hear about how long the bitcoind recompile is in your various workflows, asciilifeform, phf, mod6, punkman, jurov

13:47:17 mircea_popescu: lol staff emeritus. how's the scam these days SuchWow

13:49:06 mircea_popescu: "noisehole, bullshitter, blowhard, drunkard, sadist, rapist, all-around disgrace to the sad sad State of Bitcoin (and a passive-aggressive plagiarist, too, to top a cherry on the shit-pan-kake!)" da fuck did you do adlai !

13:50:42 mircea_popescu: !up SuchWow

13:50:47 mircea_popescu: !gettrust assbot SuchWow

13:50:47 assbot: SuchWow is not registered in WoT.

13:50:51 mircea_popescu: o.O

13:50:53 mircea_popescu: get in the wot, wut!

13:51:04 SuchWow: sorry, i have split screen serverside msgs

13:51:17 SuchWow: so didn't realize my response wasn't going through lol. i

13:51:33 SuchWow: [08:48:40] <SuchWow> mircea_popescu: you guys are so pompous lol...i haven't been involved in crypto, trading or otherwise, for almost 2 year. Doge seems to fine, still has a small community (moreso than litecoin anyways), and i've been watching crypto in general just for fun. Eth seems interesting, but still not convinced.

13:51:35 SuchWow: [08:49:05] <+mircea_popescu> "noisehole, bullshitter, blowhard, drunkard, sadist, rapist, all-around disgrace to the sad sad State of Bitcoin (and a passive-aggressive plagiarist, too, to top a cherry on the shit-pan-kake!)" da fuck did you do adlai !

13:51:37 SuchWow: [08:49:05] <SuchWow> mircea_popescu: how is bitcoin and all of your various endeavours whatever they may be?

13:51:39 SuchWow: [08:49:16] <SuchWow> (i won't pretend to act like i know you because, i don't)

13:51:41 SuchWow: [08:49:46] <SuchWow> (just as you literally don't know me, at all lol)

13:51:43 mircea_popescu: ...

13:51:54 SuchWow: didn't want to retype a paraphrase, sry

13:52:06 SuchWow: because of client, didn't realize wasn't sending

13:52:12 mircea_popescu: ic!

13:52:30 mircea_popescu: usually the meaning of emeritus, yes.

13:52:57 mircea_popescu: and yeah, i agree, dogecoin, like litecoin, all went the way of the bell bottoms.

13:53:02 SuchWow: the emeritus tag is much less than you guys have been making of it lol

13:53:04 mircea_popescu: it's a cult hit now!

13:53:11 SuchWow: you all have literally paid 10x more attn to it than myself lol

13:53:14 mircea_popescu: SuchWow 'emeritus" just means retired, neh ?

13:53:32 SuchWow: a dogecoin op became freenode dev, freenode decided to give aff cloaks for dogecoin project

13:53:42 SuchWow: for my time and service in being founding op of that chan

13:53:43 mircea_popescu: bwahahaha

13:53:46 SuchWow: they asked if i wanted it

13:53:49 SuchWow: i said 'ok sure, neat'

13:53:52 SuchWow: lol

13:54:05 mircea_popescu: o brother. i've been trying to give servers and stuff to the freenode shitheads for YEARS

13:54:12 mircea_popescu: meanwhiole they're busy doging the dev.

13:54:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83000 @ 0.00059433 = 49.3294 BTC [+] {2}

13:54:43 SuchWow: i certainly don't claim that there was any logic to the decision, but if you've seen #freenode lately, and ANNs, a lot has changed around here recently

13:55:33 mircea_popescu: yeah, specifically http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=19-02-2016#1410187

13:55:33 assbot: Logged on 19-02-2016 15:24:53; mircea_popescu: * #freenode :Cannot send to channel

13:55:45 mircea_popescu: so much has changed it'll be an accomplishment if they last the year.

13:55:58 SuchWow: well, in their defense

13:56:08 SuchWow: they said that a lot of this is really just resurrection of 'the old ways'

13:56:17 SuchWow: and not actually new changes in that regard

13:56:24 mircea_popescu: aha.

13:56:33 SuchWow: yeah i found that interesting as well

13:56:36 mircea_popescu: so what are you doing these days ? wanna test my mmorpg ?

13:56:39 SuchWow: having only been here a few years

13:56:54 SuchWow: working IT repairs/custom installs/refreshes/etc

13:56:58 SuchWow: currently vacationing in vegas lol

13:57:09 SuchWow: but the poker scene here has died so much over the last 5 years

13:57:30 SuchWow: that it's day 3-4 and i'm litearlly in my hotel room chatting on irc because this place just ain't what it used to be lol

13:57:35 mircea_popescu: yeah, vegas is yet another sanded harbor in the history of civilisation.

13:57:55 SuchWow: it's now a hotel-centric business

13:57:58 mircea_popescu: kinda sad, for all who knew its past glory.

13:58:01 SuchWow: and casinos are the loss leader

13:58:04 SuchWow: it's so fuckin weird

13:58:09 SuchWow: cuz i used to come here all the time

13:58:24 SuchWow: <+mircea_popescu> kinda sad, for all who knew its past glory.

13:58:26 SuchWow: ^^

13:58:40 mircea_popescu: course that kinda ended in the 80s, just been soft-ish landing ever since.

13:59:09 SuchWow: i started in early 00s

13:59:16 SuchWow: with the new Strip revamp

13:59:23 mircea_popescu: aha

13:59:32 mircea_popescu: !up moli

13:59:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29200 @ 0.00059385 = 17.3404 BTC [-]

13:59:42 SuchWow: won a $3300 jackpot in 05, and had free room offers from Harrahs (caesars) for 2 years as a result

13:59:57 SuchWow: was living in Cali $50 plane tick, starte going just for fun

14:00:02 SuchWow: and never gave it back haha

14:00:03 mircea_popescu: back when the hotels were the loss leaders.

14:00:10 SuchWow: finally they cut me off and said fuck you back lol

14:00:13 SuchWow: yes exactly lol

14:00:14 mircea_popescu: lol

14:00:20 SuchWow: and back when they respected poker as well

14:00:35 SuchWow: that's the only thing i ever really did on my trips

14:00:41 SuchWow: poker + free drinks

14:00:41 mircea_popescu: well because it was the loss leader also. people went to lose money to champs just on the basis of hte brand

14:00:57 SuchWow: poker was always the loss leader, even during the boom

14:01:03 mircea_popescu: "oh i played with chow" "o yea ? how'd you do ?" "folded three hands!"

14:01:07 SuchWow: but now there is literally no tourist market for poker anymore

14:01:14 SuchWow: and half the rooms that have been jere decades

14:01:22 SuchWow: have closed or 50% in size/moved/etc

14:01:30 SuchWow: it's really sad for me to see that, but at the same time

14:01:40 SuchWow: vegas is still doing alright

14:01:45 SuchWow: it's just catering to a different ceowd

14:01:53 SuchWow: they also cleaned up all the hookers and homeless

14:01:54 mircea_popescu: yeah lol. government workers.

14:01:58 SuchWow: like literally, poof, gone

14:02:03 SuchWow: (for the most part)

14:02:40 SuchWow: it's becoming a destination resort town, with gambling offered as just one of several differnt options, no more special weighting

14:02:50 mircea_popescu: no more tables, no more cocktail waitress cocksuckers off duty waiting for teh winners, no more vegas!

14:03:02 SuchWow: no, they're all there

14:03:12 SuchWow: that's the surreal part

14:03:20 SuchWow: it's all still there, people are doing it

14:03:25 SuchWow: but it's different people

14:03:31 SuchWow: and it's just no logner the focus

14:03:38 mircea_popescu: aha

14:03:40 SuchWow: the hotels would almost rather you not gamble as much as before

14:03:48 SuchWow: and instead spend $20/day on hotel wifi

14:04:00 SuchWow: and the recently increased across the board prices

14:04:06 SuchWow: on literally everything in the city

14:04:10 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2016#1418854 << the concept that you fit in there still boggles me.

14:04:10 assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 09:02:12; ben_vulpes: there's only so much damage the little fuckling can do in 485 ft2

14:04:20 SuchWow: i am at a $30/night room at resort on Fremont

14:04:25 SuchWow: and wifi is 20/day

14:04:33 SuchWow: i'm in the wrong business lol

14:04:40 mircea_popescu: $30 a night ?! such can't be had in all of buenos aires.

14:04:57 mircea_popescu: i mean there's some REALLY seedy places here, "hotel familiar" etc, literal hookers and bums,

14:04:59 SuchWow: $30/night has always been attainable on downtown vegas strip

14:05:01 SuchWow: that's not new

14:05:11 mircea_popescu: yeah. just saying.

14:05:13 SuchWow: it's all the *other* charges that are very targetted and new

14:05:20 SuchWow: last time is was $12.99

14:05:26 SuchWow: 5-6 years ago when i was last here

14:05:35 mircea_popescu: the idea of paying for wifi is so weird.

14:05:38 SuchWow: now they're just like 'fuck it, rape them on services and amenities and drinks'

14:05:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68000 @ 0.00059471 = 40.4403 BTC [+] {2}

14:05:52 SuchWow: i went down to the bar and got 2 heiniekens was liek $15

14:05:59 SuchWow: or stick $20 into video poker and is free lol

14:06:09 SuchWow: but nobodyu is doing that anymore

14:06:19 SuchWow: the crowd they are now attracting just gladly pays

14:06:26 mircea_popescu: aha.

14:06:32 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2016#1418861 << you know that's normal.

14:06:32 assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 09:04:23; cazalla: i get more cuddles and kisses, but he only turns the tears on if mum leaves, not when dad goes out, doesn't seem to care as much

14:06:42 SuchWow: it is kinda brilliant, and the overall atmosphere is much better in many ways

14:06:47 SuchWow: just not my style and not what i came for lol

14:06:55 SuchWow: but it is surely more profitable for everyone involved, so i get it

14:07:02 mircea_popescu: government workers.

14:07:15 SuchWow: mircea_popescu: what do you think about the pres candidates

14:07:21 SuchWow: synopsis lol

14:07:35 SuchWow: you think a lot, more than me even

14:07:37 mircea_popescu: https://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/ << more or less htis.

14:07:38 assbot: BitBet - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination :: 137.71 B (62%) on Yes, 83.19 B (38%) on No | closing in 1 month 1 week| weight: 20`618 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1KAXLHg )

14:07:43 SuchWow: rolf

14:07:46 SuchWow: was just looking at that

14:07:56 SuchWow: someone linked it elsewhere earlier

14:08:11 mircea_popescu: i didn't even bet, myself. but i think it's pretty much on the money.

14:08:11 SuchWow: but what is the end game

14:08:19 SuchWow: it's either trump v sanders, or v hillary

14:08:28 SuchWow: and i think sanders won't be 'permitted' 'able' to win

14:08:30 mircea_popescu: prolly hillary.

14:08:43 SuchWow: i think the whole damn circus is just a scripted mess to get hillary in

14:08:52 mircea_popescu: see there's this thing where they "prepare" future candidates. sanders may well get 2020.

14:09:00 SuchWow: which is fine, as she is the only candidate giving us the highest probability of continued stability

14:09:01 mircea_popescu: aha, quite exactly.

14:09:05 SuchWow: 'business as usual, etc'

14:09:19 SuchWow: whilst simulatenously appeasing outliers

14:09:29 SuchWow: buy giving sanders more support than perot, nader, and paul cpombined

14:09:40 SuchWow: thus enforcing the illusion that we are all really choosing the outcome

14:09:44 SuchWow: it's neat

14:10:10 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2016#1418866 << so nsa/mit are trying to push an alt. good for them. they'll fail.

14:10:10 assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 09:06:04; SuchWow: Just out of curiosity, what do you guys think about ethereum, meaning this chan in general

14:11:02 SuchWow: ahahaha

14:11:09 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2016#1418880 << and yet it's obvious. what's the difference between the two ? :D

14:11:09 assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 09:08:51; ben_vulpes: i wonder how the conversation drifted from parenting to shillcoins

14:11:17 SuchWow: same hypothetical said about btc many times also tho

14:11:25 SuchWow: because he upped me lol

14:11:28 SuchWow: duh

14:11:50 SuchWow: as i said, i enjoy our bi-yearly talks lol

14:11:56 SuchWow: figured i'd bring my a-game for once ;)

14:12:08 mircea_popescu: tis much less of a hypotetical, tis a factual. look into the structure backing it if you're bored.

14:12:27 SuchWow: if nothing else, proving that trust/relationship can be established even without use of ratings bot lol

14:12:52 SuchWow: mircea_popescu: you're talking about eth, but saying not btc?

14:12:55 mircea_popescu: i can't say i'm not flattered nsa's trying their idea of "the mp approach", but in the famed words of knight, "get the fuck off the horse!"

14:12:56 SuchWow: or a combo of the two

14:13:21 mircea_popescu: entertainment and trust are orthogonal matters SuchWow

14:13:33 SuchWow: how did we get back to politics lol

14:13:44 mircea_popescu: but yes, an inkling of trust necessarily must stem out of outside the wot.

14:14:10 SuchWow: did the gov't have anything to do with creation of btc?

14:14:20 SuchWow: (just hypothetical by means of same token)

14:14:25 SuchWow: i knwo is unfairly braod Q lol

14:14:42 SuchWow: sry, wrist hurts

14:14:57 mircea_popescu: well, if it did or if it didn't, it's not like the case of ethereum in any sense.

14:15:04 SuchWow: interesting

14:15:05 mircea_popescu: what's that halfbreed's name, ho ?

14:15:11 mircea_popescu: gimme a sec ima dig out the thread.

14:15:14 SuchWow: but

14:15:17 SuchWow: if we don

14:15:20 SuchWow: tdon't really know

14:15:22 mircea_popescu: it was ho, shoe, something. elen chow.

14:15:26 SuchWow: then how can we say it is or isn't

14:16:03 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=24-02-2016#1414722 like that. shu, apparently.

14:16:03 assbot: Logged on 24-02-2016 22:14:34; mircea_popescu: i'll have shu's head, and a few others instead.

14:16:25 SuchWow: (i am incredibly not well versed in eth tho admittedly, just the snips i hear here and there weekly on various chats/forums)

14:16:45 mircea_popescu: no wait, that's maybe not it. wtf was it,.

14:16:50 SuchWow: i certainly started watching that chart for fun tho, as i always do for btc/ltc/doge, a few months back

14:17:07 SuchWow: has been a wild ride, and i called a lot of the movement correctly

14:17:44 SuchWow: (but of course had zero invested due to no free time)

14:17:51 mircea_popescu: well, basically the story of eth is, "what if we made a b-a, except not on irc but in a spare closet at a usg-sponsored university, and we tried to get idiot kids on reddit excited and inept javascript developers contributing code and MAKE A BETTER BITCOIN in the sense that it'll suck where bitcoin hurts us."

14:18:16 SuchWow: now that's the most interesting tl;dr i've read yet

14:18:16 mircea_popescu: then i went into them financially and they actually burned a few millions propping it up, and that pretty much brings us to the present day.

14:18:27 SuchWow: right that's what gets me

14:18:32 SuchWow: i remember them fundraising etc

14:18:36 SuchWow: no prospects for growth

14:18:53 SuchWow: and then suddenly it's a currency and it starts acting like dogecoin, value/price-wise

14:18:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00059471 = 6.6608 BTC [+]

14:18:59 mircea_popescu: which is fine and good - by now it's obvious it's cheaper to kill it on technical grounds rather than financial seeing how nsa can print money but can't really hire anyone but indians and idiots for the life of it.

14:19:04 mircea_popescu: and so, here we are #2.

14:19:08 SuchWow: except that it seems to be maintaining the illusion longer

14:19:28 SuchWow: do people even consider eth to be a beta

14:19:30 SuchWow: or still alpha

14:19:36 mircea_popescu: SuchWow hey, govt has a lot of experience running ponzis. heck, social security is still somehow magically protected by illusion.

14:19:48 SuchWow: i've seen the page listing all the amazing proof of concept contracts/programs

14:19:48 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

14:19:52 SuchWow: and it is pretty neat

14:20:14 SuchWow: mircea_popescu: such is currency

14:20:18 SuchWow: and currency ofc is debt

14:20:41 SuchWow: it's all a sham, but it's amazing how long they've been able to prop it up and convince the vast majority of everyone to believe in it

14:20:41 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

14:20:54 SuchWow: what is the peewee word of the day lol

14:25:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47824 @ 0.00059379 = 28.3974 BTC [-] {2}

14:25:10 mircea_popescu: !up SuchWow

14:25:15 mircea_popescu: omg get in the wot already.

14:25:26 SuchWow: ok fine what do i have to do

14:25:35 SuchWow: make it simple

14:25:41 SuchWow: been in vegas for days and not slept much lol

14:25:46 mircea_popescu: you got a gpg key ?

14:25:54 SuchWow: anyhow, all i wanted to say was: [09:22:08] <SuchWow> anyhow i'm gonna drift off for now [09:22:23] <SuchWow> thanks for the good convo, be well sir (and all)

14:25:57 SuchWow: no i don't

14:26:04 SuchWow: just +i me

14:26:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24730 @ 0.00058609 = 14.494 BTC [-]

14:26:05 mircea_popescu: haha then a lot you gotta do. later!

14:26:07 SuchWow: way easier

14:26:15 SuchWow: or +v

14:26:20 SuchWow: or whatever

14:26:31 SuchWow: it's not like i ever talk lol

14:27:33 jurov: it's !up ... and you'll need pgp key even for eulora

14:27:50 mircea_popescu: hard to explain the benefit of sight to the blind

14:27:54 SuchWow: Nothing I do in this chan requires "trust" as far as I can see

14:28:03 SuchWow: it's just irc, and it's a chan i rarely if ever speak in

14:28:14 SuchWow: yet i do once in awhile read the chat here just for fun

14:28:27 SuchWow: anyhow, it's your chan, i'll shutup lol

14:28:28 mircea_popescu: let's just say that being able to see opens new dimensions to your life you never could see before.

14:28:31 SuchWow: hagn/d everyone :)

14:28:40 SuchWow: if i ever return to trading

14:28:45 trinque: guy's so tired he's speaking klingon

14:28:48 SuchWow: i will consider spending more time here, etc

14:28:53 SuchWow: lol

14:30:09 jurov: and actually, this chan isn't much about trading anymore

14:36:49 SuchWow: then maybe there is no need for an enforceable trust system before one can speak ;)

14:37:00 SuchWow: i jest i jest, really going now lol

14:37:11 SuchWow: keep on being intelligent

14:37:13 SuchWow: the world needs it

14:39:09 jurov: SuchWow: what about the code your ass runs on? no trust system needed?

14:43:25 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2016#1418901 <<< i was certainly never in a bed with a woman and her 80 lb "lovedog" before, whatever that may mean.

14:43:25 assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 09:15:43; ben_vulpes: probably more crowded than anything mircea_popescu engages in willingly, and i don't even like it.

14:43:40 mircea_popescu: but then again, i am youthful and inexperienced. also was not in bed with woman and her infant child.

14:44:31 thestringpuller: so classic got 33 blocks out of last 1000. it's interesting seeing the derps derpin'

14:44:36 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2016#1418907 << word.

14:44:36 assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 09:38:24; punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ccbgb0CXIAEbwoL.jpg:large

14:44:59 mircea_popescu: trump didn't actually beat inflation, let alone the s&p.

14:45:31 mircea_popescu: the thing anon establishment ho fails to mention, however, is that S&P 500 is not in any sense a thing.

14:45:37 mircea_popescu: THEY KEEP CHANING THE CONTENTS!

14:46:00 mircea_popescu: the difference between "S&P 500" and "here's a retrospective list of 500 companies I picked" is moreover slim.

14:53:59 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller lemme guess, "consensus" ?

14:59:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29000 @ 0.000594 = 17.226 BTC [+]

15:03:00 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2016#1418936 << why are you using flycheck??!

15:03:00 assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 13:42:04; assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 06:02:07; ben_vulpes: flycheck just deleted the contents of an entire buffer

15:03:08 asciilifeform: !s flycheck

15:03:09 assbot: 28 results for 'flycheck' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=flycheck

15:03:38 asciilifeform: the systemd of emacs.

15:03:58 mircea_popescu: an' how's the morn find you asciilifeform ?

15:04:37 asciilifeform: meeeeting...

15:05:03 mircea_popescu: my new whip smells of cow. ahh, sweet nature.

15:05:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20750 @ 0.000594 = 12.3255 BTC [+]

15:10:23 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: I don't even know what people are revolting about anymore. It's like watching #occupy wall street with BTC

15:10:48 mircea_popescu: lol. brace yourself, that's also coming.

15:11:05 phf: ben_vulpes: i don't ever touch dependencies, so 40s for a full rebuilt

15:23:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9836 @ 0.000594 = 5.8426 BTC [+]

15:32:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38450 @ 0.00058888 = 22.6424 BTC [-] {3}

15:41:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35590 @ 0.00058699 = 20.891 BTC [-] {2}

15:43:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20041 @ 0.00059004 = 11.825 BTC [+] {2}

15:54:02 jurov: !t m f.mpif

15:54:02 assbot: Um, shouldn't you be with your own tribe or somethin'?

15:56:11 jurov: !t m x.eur

15:56:11 assbot: [MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.00256578 / 0.00256578 / 0.00256578 (42 shares, 0.11 BTC), 7D: 0.00254515 / 0.00262764 / 0.00266872 (2153 shares, 5.66 BTC), 30D: 0.00253517 / 0.00274909 / 0.00332476 (9529 shares, 26.20 BTC)

15:56:16 jurov: !t m s.qntr

15:56:17 assbot: [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.00023293 / 0.00039403 / 0.00049913 (208514 shares, 82.16 BTC)

16:05:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14750 @ 0.00059375 = 8.7578 BTC [+]

16:14:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6783 @ 0.00059471 = 4.0339 BTC [+]

16:15:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8917 @ 0.00059553 = 5.3103 BTC [+] {2}

16:19:21 jurov: deedbot-: http://explo.yt/public/fmpif_201602.txt.asc

16:19:21 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1LtZV2j )

16:19:25 deedbot-: accepted: 1

16:19:47 jurov: deedbot-: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20160301/attachment.txt?sha1=675d9675e9151a4adf860e168aada54d33925369

16:19:48 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lu006l )

16:19:49 deedbot-: accepted: 1

16:20:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26200 @ 0.00059375 = 15.5563 BTC [-]

16:27:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14347 @ 0.00058726 = 8.4254 BTC [-] {2}

16:30:30 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2016#1418940 << this must include buildroot/gcc, the deps, etc.

16:30:30 assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 13:44:43; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2016#1418803 << about 18-20 minutes.

16:30:39 asciilifeform: either that or mircea_popescu is using a 486...

16:31:24 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2016#1418972 << isn't there a 'don't feed the animals' sign hanging somewhere above them ?

16:31:24 assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 13:54:05; mircea_popescu: o brother. i've been trying to give servers and stuff to the freenode shitheads for YEARS

16:32:25 jurov: how do i search in deedbot stuff?

16:32:28 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2016#1418977 << what specifically ~was~ this ?

16:32:28 assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 13:55:33; assbot: Logged on 19-02-2016 15:24:53; mircea_popescu: * #freenode :Cannot send to channel

16:36:15 jurov: trinque what do you use to search deedbot's deeds? google sucksfor this, duckduckgo only a bit less

16:36:57 jurov: also, are you ok with me mirroring them often?

16:38:57 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah it was the whole thing.

16:44:00 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno, joined #freenode typed out the above turns out i had no voice. shrugged an' left.

16:48:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34986 @ 0.00059554 = 20.8356 BTC [+]

16:49:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16164 @ 0.00059585 = 9.6313 BTC [+]

16:51:14 jurov: omg there are 110M deeds?

16:52:10 mircea_popescu: no way ?!

16:52:23 trinque: jurov: please do not write a naive scraper that runs often :p

16:52:25 jurov: http://deedbot.org/bundle-387343.txt

16:52:36 trinque: I have the logs in there for example

16:52:50 jurov: logs aren't so bulky I hope

16:52:59 jurov: did you set a limit at all?

16:53:39 jurov: huh but these are logs indeed

16:53:47 trinque: yeah, they're pretty big

16:54:29 jurov: trinque: imma use wget, should be OK if your webserver sends right date headers

16:54:47 trinque: just nginx on a static folder, should

16:59:14 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2016#1419204 << wai wut ?!

16:59:14 assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 15:10:48; mircea_popescu: lol. brace yourself, that's also coming.

17:02:19 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2016#1419182 << what, exactly, is a 'lovedog' ? new word for skinny asian chick kept as pet ??

17:02:19 assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 14:43:25; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2016#1418901 <<< i was certainly never in a bed with a woman and her 80 lb "lovedog" before, whatever that may mean.

17:02:21 trinque: jurov: mind making sure it's returning not modified properly before cron job?

17:02:28 trinque: if not I'll fix it

17:02:45 mircea_popescu: noidea.

17:03:08 jurov: trinque , yes "HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 416 Requested Range Not Satisfiable The file is already fully retrieved; nothing to do."

17:03:33 trinque: neato

17:03:35 trinque: scrape away

17:03:38 jurov: may not work if you ever shrink files, but doubt that ever happens

17:03:49 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2016#1419128 << i won't be surprised if a few trillions end up sunk into propping it up

17:03:49 assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 14:18:16; mircea_popescu: then i went into them financially and they actually burned a few millions propping it up, and that pretty much brings us to the present day.

17:03:51 trinque: Anduck: learn from the above !!!1111!! ^

17:03:55 trinque: lol

17:04:11 asciilifeform: (what, it costs usg to print more 0s after decimal point ?)

17:04:36 trinque: but it does.

17:05:27 trinque: whether they intentionally sink the USD to try to push people onto a USGCoin, who knows.

17:05:50 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2016#1419040 << woah this is only slightly larger than my old 'nazi submarine'

17:05:50 assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 14:04:10; assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 09:02:12; ben_vulpes: there's only so much damage the little fuckling can do in 485 ft2

17:05:50 trinque: kurrency kontrolz for the 21st century!

17:06:38 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2016#1419044 << where i live, you can just about part a motorcycle for 30/day.

17:06:38 assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 14:04:40; mircea_popescu: $30 a night ?! such can't be had in all of buenos aires.

17:06:43 asciilifeform: *park

17:08:28 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2016#1418801 << 9 times out of 10, it is simply that a new block appears, and has tx-dddos-crapola

17:08:28 assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 08:52:51; ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-02-2016#1395250 << asciilifeform what was the actual trigger for the blackhole? requesting a specific transaction?

17:08:51 asciilifeform: there are also lesser blackholes, from the tx-ddos-crapola itself being received and verified

17:08:59 asciilifeform: (prior to it entering a block)

17:09:29 asciilifeform: shiva was originally part of an attempt to write a debugger to shine some light at this crud

17:09:35 punkman: https://drownattack.com/

17:09:37 assbot: DROWN Attack ... ( http://bit.ly/1VOPeYF )

17:10:30 asciilifeform: '...a new form of cross-protocol Bleichenbacher padding oracle attack. It allows an attacker to decrypt intercepted TLS connections by making specially crafted connections to an SSLv2 server that uses the same private key.' << l0l

17:10:44 asciilifeform: i thought this was old ?

17:10:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2986 @ 0.00059585 = 1.7792 BTC [+]

17:11:46 punkman: motherfucking branded vulns

17:12:03 asciilifeform: the original ssl-'phuctor'-no-we-won't-publish-the-data folks, incidentally.

17:12:06 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu ^

17:12:24 asciilifeform: 'it doesn't matter and we had it first!11111'

17:12:42 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=18-05-2015#1136562

17:12:42 assbot: Logged on 18-05-2015 19:48:18; ascii_field: 'It doesn't work when Nadia Heninger goes to sell Phuctor before Stanford - Nadia Heninger doesn't own Phuctor, and the actual owners are very much present and very much capable to bitchslap her into oblivion.' << actually, 'crime pays.' chick gets a phd and cushy sinecure, etc.

17:12:59 mircea_popescu: punkman> motherfucking branded vulns << srsly.

17:13:52 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the notion that nadia heninger "got" a phd and "got" a cushy sinecure, in the sense of got that you employ when you say b-a got x done is ludicrous!

17:14:03 asciilifeform: fine.

17:14:04 asciilifeform: was given.

17:14:07 mircea_popescu: if i feed the fish in my tank, it does not follow that the tankfish "got" food.

17:14:18 mircea_popescu: and once i fucking croak, they'll get a cat's paw magazine.

17:14:23 asciilifeform: this much is obvious though.

17:14:34 mircea_popescu: "obvious" is NOT a byword for "stuff i ignore"

17:14:51 mircea_popescu: obvious is what stuff is that sits at the root of the tree of things and denies certain branches of thought

17:14:56 asciilifeform: hey, i'm also a fish, but in smaller tank with cruddier food and more cat.

17:14:57 mircea_popescu: permanently, without exception, in all cases.

17:15:03 mircea_popescu: what can i tell you.

17:15:21 asciilifeform: and in fact i'm in a fish store, in the bait tank.

17:15:59 mircea_popescu: whether you are or aren't : the notion that what nadia heninger did is in any way related to what nadia heninger "got" is the core and the root of cargo cultism.

17:16:18 asciilifeform: possibly she sucked the right pud ?

17:16:26 asciilifeform: or at least 'chose parents carefully'

17:16:34 mircea_popescu: there is no technology of prayer!

17:16:54 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is clearly not an aztec.

17:17:00 asciilifeform: or tibetan.

17:17:09 mircea_popescu: i am clearly not a any one thing, but instead "rootless cosmopolitan"

17:17:23 asciilifeform: (do they have modern turbine yet in tibet, to turn prayer mill?)

17:17:25 mircea_popescu: because yes, socialist notion of belonging is always built on some version of "plox to believe there is technology of prayer"

17:18:08 asciilifeform: anyway i have profoundly nfi re: heninger.

17:18:47 asciilifeform: all i know is that she's 'house slave' and i'm 'field nigger.'

17:18:59 punkman: https://ssrg.nicta.com.au/projects/TS/cachebleed/ speaking of heningers

17:19:02 assbot: CacheBleed: A Timing Attack on OpenSSL Constant Time RSA ... ( http://bit.ly/1VOQ9sc )

17:19:19 mircea_popescu: ahahaha

17:21:14 jurov: trinque actually, upon reading wget man, it will clobber html files because it always reads only the added range regardless of date headers :(

17:21:34 jurov: so (S)FTP or rsync would be better

17:21:39 trinque: jurov: only html is the index

17:21:51 jurov: and FAQ

17:22:11 jurov: and maybe some other stuff you forgot :_

17:22:17 jurov: :)

17:22:30 trinque: I don't mind getting ya rsync, will have to be this evening

17:22:40 jurov: no, someday

17:23:02 trinque: heh someday it is then

17:27:39 asciilifeform: notice how every time the 'branded' bug burn ends with 'and now you must install openssl x.y.n+1 ' ???

17:28:00 punkman: it's all rather organized

17:29:34 punkman: http://galleries.payserve.com/1/34382/40089/images/2.jpg

17:29:35 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1TOQugG )

17:29:54 mircea_popescu: myeah.

17:31:05 *: asciilifeform looks forward to pounding in the 'g' knife into the ssl idiocy

17:34:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70067 @ 0.00059681 = 41.8167 BTC [+] {3}

17:34:30 mircea_popescu: but what i personally take home from the whole "o noes, branded bugs nao" thing is that hearbleed REALLY hurt.

17:34:39 mircea_popescu: which is about as nice as all the derpage post-snowden.

17:35:13 deedbot-: [serialized delusions] F.MPIF 2015 trading statements - http://explo.yt/post/2016/03/01/F.MPIF-2015-trading-statements

17:36:49 mircea_popescu: and in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/2101614620ddddd2978e7e6ce64dc1d4/tumblr_mmuc4eEsgJ1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg

17:36:49 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1VORCyy )

17:40:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00059625 = 14.6081 BTC [-]

17:48:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116139 @ 0.00059732 = 69.3721 BTC [+] {4}

17:48:29 punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CccQCBcWAAAu9qo.jpg:large

17:48:29 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1TOUfCQ )

17:50:18 mircea_popescu: lmao

17:50:49 mircea_popescu: pretty good nightmare fuel.

17:52:44 punkman: for the kids https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNHwgnpzY9w

17:52:46 assbot: Mommy, why is there a server in the house? - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1TOV1ja )

17:55:26 deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.95000000 BTC on 'No' - Donald Trump will win the 2016 United States Presidential Election - http://bitbet.us/bet/1250/donald-trump-will-win-the-2016-united-states/#b9

17:55:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19431 @ 0.00059625 = 11.5857 BTC [-]

17:59:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39583 @ 0.00059625 = 23.6014 BTC [-]

18:04:08 punkman: http://thereformedbroker.com/2016/02/25/abundance/

18:13:07 mircea_popescu: lol what's with this trend of rewriting trilema poorly among the yuppy class ?

18:19:03 mircea_popescu: aaaand we're losing txn again.

18:20:30 ben_vulpes: the hundred dollar store is pretty funny

18:20:47 mircea_popescu: word.

18:22:13 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do you see txn bf77bf5ec7c02f4027caab024d5581d82bdea97ab8d7d97aac856169c038dd31 on ?

18:24:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25100 @ 0.00059572 = 14.9526 BTC [-] {2}

18:25:53 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nevermind, false alarm. meanwhile i see it propagated.

18:26:06 jurov: http://imgur.com/CQxHbly win.

18:26:07 assbot: Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet ... ( http://bit.ly/21Acil5 )

18:29:11 punkman: jurov: translation?

18:31:50 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: tx tends to be slow nowadays due to crapolade flood

18:32:25 mircea_popescu: in truth the failure modes for discrete production processes on the bitcoin network are currently still innumerable.

18:32:34 mircea_popescu: my list is in the thousands and i am still regularly blindsided.

18:32:50 mircea_popescu: i know it sounds ridiculous, but however it may sound, it is the fucking truth.

18:33:11 ben_vulpes: i'd like to see that list!

18:33:21 mircea_popescu: aha.

18:33:37 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2016#1419361 < left: 'for yourself' right: 'for guests'

18:33:37 assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 18:29:11; punkman: jurov: translation?

18:34:11 asciilifeform: discrete production processes ??

18:34:21 asciilifeform: elaborate ?

18:34:25 mircea_popescu: yes. "do X thing".

18:34:30 mircea_popescu: "make a widget"

18:35:13 asciilifeform: the failure rate is, elementarily, a queue thing

18:35:27 asciilifeform: (whatever you ask for sits in a queue behind 10,001 pieces of shit)

18:36:07 mircea_popescu: i was thinking tower of shit problem, but yes.

18:36:55 asciilifeform: which tower of shit ?

18:40:15 mircea_popescu: bitcoin, the tower of shit.

18:40:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35587 @ 0.00059791 = 21.2778 BTC [+]

18:40:56 mircea_popescu: a collection of rotten hardware running dubios kernels with ball of shit visual studio-level bitcoin implementation, expected to somehow do things.

18:40:58 mircea_popescu: ridiculous.

18:41:15 ben_vulpes: fractally bad code

18:43:22 asciilifeform: out of curiosity, what failures has mircea_popescu observed that can be reliably attributed to shit hardware ?

18:44:14 mircea_popescu: nothing can be reliably attributed to anything

18:44:17 mircea_popescu: part of the fucking problem, this

18:45:20 mircea_popescu: but on the other hand - i can't fucking hire people for the love of everfuck. there is no such thing as a lowly bank clerk in bitcoin. everyone must be at above-phd level of tech awareness - yea, i know that doesn't cut it to be in b-a, fine, fuck you all, there are STILL 100k phds spewed out the world over who think themselves as they add to the pool of millions floating around that they are pdh-level! -

18:45:50 mircea_popescu: and EVEN THEN everyone must have access to the fucking top of the hierarchy because it is a GIVEN that everyone will encounter fundamental problems on a monthly basis.

18:46:01 asciilifeform: wai wut

18:46:09 mircea_popescu: if banks ran like this the average teller would look like a fucking safari hunter,

18:46:17 mircea_popescu: except for the steel breastplate and geiger counter.

18:46:21 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is hiring a what ?

18:46:40 mircea_popescu: a nothing! i can't as much as have someone to clean the fucking floors.

18:46:54 asciilifeform: i thought mircea_popescu taught us that odin will smite those who hire hirelings

18:47:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 162250 @ 0.00059813 = 97.0466 BTC [+] {4}

18:47:27 trinque: wtf?!?!

18:47:54 trinque: tcp 0 0 ESTABLISHED

18:48:31 mircea_popescu: do you understand how normal work works among humans ? bob has a widget factory, which needs a widgeteer, which is a job composed of 5 movements and 3 reaches, so he goes to the corner where kids loiter and goes "you there! do like this with your elbow! good. now read this list and apply it. every day."

18:48:41 jurov: trinque i was mistaken, wget does timestamping, so all should be swell... but srs 50kB/s? you serve deedbot over ADSL?

18:48:56 mircea_popescu: but no, in bitcoin it's "and if the clown car on the left comes unglued call this number and if the bla bla 5000 entries long"

18:49:03 mircea_popescu: and it's still not ~complete~.

18:49:04 asciilifeform: trinque: the fella on the left hand side is you, i recall. right hand - i think might be mircea_popescu ?

18:49:05 trinque: jurov: you asked if there were limits !!!111!!

18:49:20 trinque: asciilifeform: should be a fleanode server

18:49:24 trinque: deedbot- just parted

18:49:47 asciilifeform: trinque: tcpdump plox.

18:50:10 mircea_popescu: i happen to know what that is. ircd will just dump the highest latency users if it gets full.

18:50:13 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the situation you described is called 'skilled labour' and it is how i eat.

18:50:19 asciilifeform: welcome to planet 3.

18:50:21 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not in the slightest.

18:50:26 trinque: mircea_popescu: ah

18:50:33 mircea_popescu: skilled labour is what happens with bob and his factory.

18:50:42 mircea_popescu: this nonsense is just nonsense.

18:50:59 asciilifeform: taming bursting pipes which gush forth nonsense is - skilled labour.

18:51:09 asciilifeform: repetitive, trainable elbow movements is the other hind.

18:51:10 asciilifeform: *kind

18:51:12 asciilifeform: of labour

18:52:02 mircea_popescu: ie, skilled.

18:52:32 asciilifeform: semi-skilled, if you insist.

18:52:35 mircea_popescu: skilled labour is hwat a carpenter does. he has 7 tools and 3 types of wood, and an absolute guarantee that his fucking board isn't going to spontaneously turn to marmalade.

18:52:42 jurov: trinque i'm used to limiting at ingress not egress. but i prolly disgress.

18:52:47 mircea_popescu: which is why it is WORK.

18:53:08 mircea_popescu: whereas what a doctor, or a lawyer do, independent professions and in no sense either labour or skilled, is to give you THEIR OPINIONS

18:53:17 mircea_popescu: entirely fucking different story from doing any kind of work.

18:53:18 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i deal in boards that spontaneously turn into radioactive weevils.

18:53:18 ben_vulpes: ( jurov i chuckled )

18:53:21 asciilifeform: this is not work ?

18:53:25 mircea_popescu: it is not work.

18:53:36 mircea_popescu: elementary : because it doesn't work.

18:53:48 mircea_popescu: just like medicine doesn't work.

18:54:00 mircea_popescu: "oh, but does it help ?" "i guess..." "WELL THEN!111"

18:54:07 trinque: jurov: gotta go do an errand, but when I'm seated at desk again I'll put some more thought into the section of my nginx config labeled "Fuck you, Anduck"

18:54:15 mircea_popescu: ahahaha what

18:54:20 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: virtually nothing to do with computing, works.

18:54:32 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ikr ? and now we had to build money on top of it

18:54:43 mircea_popescu: fucking stupidest idea ever, should have tried building it on old crack whores first.

18:55:07 asciilifeform: iirc it still runs on a backbone of crackwhores..

18:55:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77450 @ 0.00059476 = 46.0642 BTC [-] {2}

18:55:38 asciilifeform: anyway i specialize in making some selected subset of it actually WORK.

18:55:53 asciilifeform: as showcased in, e.g., rotor, etc.

18:56:24 asciilifeform: it is done, elementarily, by removing the weevils.

18:56:31 asciilifeform: and working with what remains.

18:57:09 asciilifeform: this is - surprisingly - a rare enough thing that i can live from it.

18:57:28 asciilifeform: but the down side is that, it being rare, there is ~0 demand, most places, most of the time.

18:57:35 asciilifeform: see old threadz, etc.

18:58:48 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> anyway i specialize in making some selected subset of it actually WORK. << this much is true, yes. but you have a finite number of hands!

18:59:11 asciilifeform: aha, and, incidentally, i got 'volunteered' for 1.5 shift .

18:59:18 mircea_popescu: heh

18:59:34 asciilifeform: (supposedly for 1 qrt. but lul!)

18:59:42 mircea_popescu: ahahaha what, awhole quarter ?

18:59:51 asciilifeform: aha.

19:00:16 mircea_popescu: lol. well, the plan is working splendidly. who'd bother shooting you, you're rather easy to mothball anyway.

19:00:56 mircea_popescu: anyway. bill's up, i guess im closing down this phuctor server and eating the 2 month bill as cdb ?

19:01:06 asciilifeform: mno.

19:01:09 mircea_popescu: well ?

19:01:12 asciilifeform: it goes up this week.

19:01:17 asciilifeform: db nearly done regrinding.

19:01:19 mircea_popescu: they may well cut it off this week.

19:01:48 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: gimme an addr, i'll pay for it myself until it is +ev.

19:01:56 mircea_popescu: nuts.

19:02:22 mircea_popescu: this is how you end up volunteered for 1.5 shifts, you know.

19:02:40 asciilifeform: it pays.

19:02:53 mircea_popescu: there is also that, yeah. anyway!

19:03:06 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu himself taught us, 'dont't be poorfag'

19:03:25 mircea_popescu: i think i'm done raging for the day.

19:03:39 asciilifeform: my not-so-secret plan is to take some unpaid leave, possibly in summer.

19:03:58 asciilifeform: and, in order to have ~with what~ - well.

19:04:24 asciilifeform: anyway mircea_popescu signed addr plox.

19:04:46 mircea_popescu: and apologies to all the people waiting on https://bitbet.us/bet/1209/jeb-bush-will-be-republicans-2016-presidential-nominee/ payouts. they're out now, 3confirms.

19:04:47 assbot: BitBet - Jeb Bush will be Republicans' 2016 Presidential Nominee :: 1.63 B (9%) on Yes, 16.49 B (91%) on No | closed 1 week 2 days ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1KJwPbF )

19:04:54 mircea_popescu: i blame cascading failure in teh bitcoin stack.

19:06:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59748 @ 0.00059874 = 35.7735 BTC [+] {2}

19:10:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33450 @ 0.00059044 = 19.7502 BTC [-] {3}

19:17:21 ben_vulpes: wait how is phyctor going to be +ev?

19:17:31 ben_vulpes: and what is 'cdb' mircea_popescu ?

19:17:57 mircea_popescu: cost of doing business

19:18:06 ben_vulpes: !up Anduck

19:18:10 Anduck: thank you very much

19:18:15 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: snsa is supposed to drag phuctor as a sled behind it

19:18:44 mircea_popescu: i dunno, originally it was a pretty good marketing tool.

19:18:47 asciilifeform: initially, mircea_popescu propelled the sled

19:18:51 asciilifeform: then - the shareholders

19:18:51 mircea_popescu: but then got bogged down.

19:19:00 asciilifeform: but i say that until the engine is ready, i will pull sled with own back.

19:19:20 Anduck: fwiw, i tried to pm with trinque but he kept ignoring me from the beginning. my script accidentally used his site too frequently and now he's doing this, annoying me occasionally with sudden "fuck you anduck" hilights etc

19:19:34 mircea_popescu: !down Anduck

19:19:44 mircea_popescu: seriously, guy's a retard, that's all there is to it.

19:19:50 asciilifeform: !s gettrust Anduck

19:19:51 assbot: 12 results for 'gettrust Anduck' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=gettrust+Anduck

19:19:56 asciilifeform: !gettrust Anduck

19:19:57 assbot: Trust relationship from user asciilifeform to user Anduck: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -6 via 10 connections. | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=asciilifeform&to=Anduck | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/Anduck/

19:20:01 asciilifeform: there we go.

19:22:25 deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00083074 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin to top $900 before Sep 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1251/bitcoin-to-top-900-before-sep-2016/#b1

19:26:27 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: dulap is not only platform for phuctor, but will host 'g', gossip, etc., and is presently the largest and most reliable trb battleship. and i will pay for it personally, because wtf.

19:31:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23100 @ 0.00058703 = 13.5604 BTC [-]

19:37:01 thestringpuller: !s zulag

19:37:01 assbot: 5 results for 'zulag' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=zulag

19:37:21 ben_vulpes: !s zoolag

19:37:22 assbot: 96 results for 'zoolag' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=zoolag

19:39:27 thestringpuller: thx ben_vulpes

19:41:28 asciilifeform: zoolag is a different machine !

19:41:33 asciilifeform: it lives at my house.

19:41:38 asciilifeform: not related to dulap except in the fact that both are trb nodes.

19:41:43 asciilifeform: (and both are gardened by yours truly)

19:42:35 thestringpuller: !s phuctor status

19:42:35 assbot: 0 results for 'phuctor status' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=phuctor+status

19:42:39 thestringpuller: :(

19:43:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36180 @ 0.00058608 = 21.2044 BTC [-] {2}

19:44:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78870 @ 0.000586 = 46.2178 BTC [-]

19:47:15 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes yes

19:49:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43850 @ 0.00059664 = 26.1627 BTC [+] {3}

20:06:14 deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 7.50000000 BTC on 'No' - Bernie Sanders will be Democrats' 2016 Presidential Nominee - http://bitbet.us/bet/1242/bernie-sanders-will-be-democrats-2016-presidential-nominee/#b26

20:12:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91050 @ 0.000586 = 53.3553 BTC [-]

20:17:23 kakobrekla: http://www.coindesk.com/microsoft-ethereum-startup-blockchain/ << "The simple, rapid and flexible one-click deploy of Ethereum blockchain architecture launched on the Microsoft Azure Marketplace enables enterprises and developers to quickly deploy a certified blockchain environment on Azure."

20:17:24 assbot: Microsoft Certifies Ethereum Offering in Blockchain Service First - CoinDesk ... ( http://bit.ly/1TPqCzW )

20:17:36 kakobrekla: eth goes up another 20 purrcent

20:18:15 mircea_popescu: shall be a fun year.

20:21:49 deedbot-: [Trilema] MPEx (S.MPOE) February 2016 Statement - http://trilema.com/2016/mpex-smpoe-february-2016-statement/

20:23:05 asciilifeform: in unrelated-to-anything nyooz, if anyone wants a patched (removed idiot pci whitelist) heathen bios for x60, email me.

20:31:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38680 @ 0.000586 = 22.6665 BTC [-]

20:32:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42895 @ 0.00058376 = 25.0404 BTC [-] {2}

20:40:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.00059511 = 10.1169 BTC [+]

20:48:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41650 @ 0.00059735 = 24.8796 BTC [+] {2}

21:09:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57700 @ 0.00058671 = 33.8532 BTC [-] {3}

21:13:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82749 @ 0.00058113 = 48.0879 BTC [-] {4}

21:16:26 asciilifeform: https://codereview.chromium.org/6648002 << many lulz

21:16:28 assbot: Issue 6648002: Make DBUS an optional dependency so Chromium can be built without it.... - Code Review ... ( http://bit.ly/1oWIGx8 )

21:17:06 asciilifeform: 'oh noez, without dbus, how will wwwtron ask your wifi card to snitch your gps coords'

21:20:52 asciilifeform: https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/24589 << rogue's gallery of crud.

21:20:54 assbot: Is dbus really needed? | The FreeBSD Forums ... ( http://bit.ly/216ZZqT )

21:21:44 deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 5.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - http://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/#b129

21:21:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26800 @ 0.00058006 = 15.5456 BTC [-]

21:39:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57850 @ 0.00059742 = 34.5607 BTC [+]

21:39:15 mircea_popescu: that trump thing's on fire

21:40:10 kakobrekla: too bad we dont get elections more often

21:40:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25726 @ 0.00059592 = 15.3306 BTC [-]

21:40:47 mircea_popescu: lol

21:42:13 mircea_popescu: and in other usda news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/d66ceb781a14c8f70b3183b999b9ba4a/tumblr_mmput3xwme1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg

21:42:14 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/2171hlu )

21:50:24 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2016#1419533 << snore, clitler is inevitable

21:50:24 assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 21:39:15; mircea_popescu: that trump thing's on fire

21:54:57 mircea_popescu: i dunno, she has such a perfect loser face.

21:57:02 asciilifeform: 'fata de impins vagoane' !

21:57:20 mircea_popescu: lol

21:57:34 mircea_popescu: not really, she's rather lizard faced, neh ?

21:58:58 *: asciilifeform not master of faces.

21:59:02 asciilifeform: but yeah.

22:03:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113216 @ 0.00058388 = 66.1046 BTC [-] {3}

22:04:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 530800 @ 0.00057366 = 304.4987 BTC [-] {11}

22:05:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 271975 @ 0.00056977 = 154.9632 BTC [-] {9}

22:06:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 138750 @ 0.00056924 = 78.9821 BTC [-] {2}

22:12:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47300 @ 0.00056877 = 26.9028 BTC [-]

22:28:32 mats: it slides

22:32:06 mircea_popescu: heh look at that, mpex was almost 60k again

22:37:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00056877 = 7.9628 BTC [-]

22:38:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30000 @ 0.00056899 = 17.0697 BTC [+]

22:38:26 jurov: http://therealbitcoin.org/deedbot.org/index.html soo, the mirror is here. of course nothing is so simple, i ran into wget trying to follow urls in .txt (!) files and even trying to fix them(!!!)

22:38:27 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1oNm41b )

22:38:37 mircea_popescu: lmao

22:39:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96259 @ 0.000569 = 54.7714 BTC [+]

22:42:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00056856 = 11.3712 BTC [-] {3}

22:43:02 mircea_popescu: jurov very good thing tho, deedbot mirror.

22:43:15 mircea_popescu: does it contain enough info to verify the deeds ?

22:44:05 jurov: only if deedbot.org contains

22:46:17 trinque: the FAQ page specifies how to verify them if one has a deed bundle

22:46:46 mircea_popescu: aite just make sure some silly tidbit doesn't get lost and we find ourselves stranded

22:46:55 mircea_popescu: maybe try and verify one on the basis of the mirrored data only to be sure ?

22:47:32 trinque: yeah, just a matter of taking the deed bundle txt, performing sha256 and using that as the privkey, generating a pubkey and address from that

22:47:52 trinque: it would be good for me to post an example verifier on the site

22:48:03 trinque: adlai has done so himself, I know

22:48:21 mircea_popescu: well... the deed seals keep getting spent, so someone must be

22:50:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61100 @ 0.00056796 = 34.7024 BTC [-] {3}

22:57:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3524 @ 0.00056774 = 2.0007 BTC [-]

22:58:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16276 @ 0.0005677 = 9.2399 BTC [-]

23:00:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52659 @ 0.00057157 = 30.0983 BTC [+] {3}

23:03:58 shinohai: http://trumpdonald.org/

23:03:59 assbot: TrumpDonald.org ... ( http://bit.ly/1oNrwkM )

23:09:39 mircea_popescu: sooo... it pains me to say that bitbet was just on the receiving end of a concerted miner withholding attack.

23:10:35 mircea_popescu: specifically : a set of a dozen or so txn that were trying to pay out winners of a bet went out, only to be "ignored" by the network. they all spent the same inputs. this went on for about a week.

23:11:05 mircea_popescu: once a transaction that DIDN'T spend the same inputs was announced and confirmed, the OLD transactions were somehow found, and are now broadcast.

23:11:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 160428 @ 0.00056684 = 90.937 BTC [-] {5}

23:11:47 mircea_popescu: this adds an entire layer of breakage to the already broken bitcoin infrastructure. specifically - due to chinese miner collusion (and yes they do control over 50% of the network) it is impossible to guarantee payment at ANY point in the future.

23:12:01 mircea_popescu: because they can sit on a transaction more or less forever.

23:12:18 mircea_popescu: the damage in this case is ~17 BTC, which whatever - cdb.

23:12:30 mircea_popescu: HOWEVER - bitbet will NOT ever make 2nd transactions for any reason and in any case.

23:12:47 mircea_popescu: this means that if you are waiting on a payment - you got to talk to a miner. bitbet will not further consider any complaints of this nature.

23:12:48 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla ^

23:16:07 kakobrekla: this is a problem.

23:16:38 mircea_popescu: the problem is broadly speaking that bitcoin is not actually fit for commerce, and that fixing it necessarily requires changing the pow to exclude f2pool/antpool/etc.

23:16:43 kakobrekla: afaik would not happen if you would select same inputs to be used for second tx or alternatively rebroadcast the first one

23:16:54 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla this is what i was doing for a fucking week.

23:17:06 mircea_popescu: however - since bitbet publishes the payout addresses, it's trivial for them to know what to sit on.

23:17:15 kakobrekla: the currently unconfirmed tx has 0 fee ?

23:17:41 mircea_popescu: one of the many. understand that there was a set of these.

23:17:44 kakobrekla: and the 29 blocks confirmed one has 0.00022

23:18:03 mircea_popescu: the one you see now was broadcast originally saturday.

23:20:14 kakobrekla: one of txes with erroneous 0 fee also got lost after a 2 or 3 days a couple of days ago

23:20:15 punkman: gotta try to spend/move the old inputs to be sure old transaction doesn't suddenly reappear

23:20:26 kakobrekla: ^^

23:20:29 mircea_popescu: punkman except spending goes through the same process generally.

23:20:44 mircea_popescu: if spending worked, the problem wouldn't exist in the first place.

23:20:50 mircea_popescu: but spending doesn't, actually, work.

23:21:23 punkman: myeah, but gotta wait until you succeed before sending 2nd payment

23:21:37 kakobrekla: the problem isnt bitbet being targeted. the problem is 0 fee and the fact you can know if uncofirmed tx is out of EVERYONES mempool.

23:21:37 mircea_popescu: but the whole KEY of the thing is that this "wait until you succeed" ~= infinity.

23:21:58 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla understand : just because they picked one particular txn out of a set of txn they withheld should NOT be an argument they may bring.

23:24:08 kakobrekla: anyway, tx is unconfirmed at this time with 0 fee, it will take a while to get included in a block if it even will be. you can try to doublespend those inputs to a different address and save the btc.

23:24:21 mircea_popescu: and the one doublespending it with a fee is... not visible. right ?

23:24:22 mircea_popescu: win.

23:24:38 mircea_popescu: i'm sorry. i mean... sorry for your win.

23:24:41 mircea_popescu: or... wait, how did it go ?

23:25:00 kakobrekla: txid ?

23:25:32 mircea_popescu: b28245044ac784766b58dcef00750608400c43bd63dce0f8c41491bd9405ad3a

23:25:35 mircea_popescu: for instance.

23:26:12 kakobrekla: that is the doublespend of de9bc173174f5ae97e7fe0d2e171647cade189c76f9cbe48f37494c973aca2e4 ?

23:26:36 mircea_popescu: well, i'm going to make more, and try to mine them and etc, but yes.

23:27:41 mircea_popescu: anyway. miners must be broken, burned and the land fucking salted.

23:27:48 mircea_popescu: worst enemy of the coin.

23:27:54 kakobrekla: its possible you are connected to a node pocket - trb do not like non-trb nodeas (ban hammer) so they are only left connected (mostly) to trb, not prb which you need if you want the world to see your txes

23:28:21 mircea_popescu: all sorts of things are possible.

23:28:24 mircea_popescu: apparently.

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23:30:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38950 @ 0.00056633 = 22.0586 BTC [-]

23:30:28 kakobrekla: jurov ends with 'Also, I should' ?

23:30:45 jurov: fixed that

23:30:54 kakobrekla: kk

23:30:58 jurov: oh somebody reads my blog?

23:31:08 mircea_popescu: eh get out of here, many people read your blog.

23:31:23 punkman: https://github.com/chfoo/wpull wget alternative

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23:31:54 kakobrekla: anyway, given the current state of txes there is a good chance that evil 0 fee tx will get forgotten again

23:32:03 kakobrekla: 'forgotten'.

23:32:09 kakobrekla: gotta move the coins.

23:32:15 punkman: once you broadcast you can never assume it's forgotten

23:32:18 mircea_popescu: i personally think the only reason it's not mined yet is that there hasn't been a block.

23:32:24 kakobrekla: punkman hence added quotes

23:32:51 kakobrekla: 2 blocks in past 9 minutes

23:33:22 mircea_popescu: doesn't need to be in the next one. understand how miner collusion works.

23:33:32 mircea_popescu: as long as the competitor isn't mined, what's the hurry ?

23:34:09 kakobrekla: anyway, 'some party' cant order ALL the miners 'not to include' your tx really.

23:34:18 mircea_popescu: 400736 was empty, for instance.

23:34:27 mircea_popescu: no, not ALL. just enough of an all.

23:34:29 kakobrekla: and we ha ve 737

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23:41:44 kakobrekla: can you share the tx hex of b28245044ac784766b58dcef00750608400c43bd63dce0f8c41491bd9405ad3a ?

23:45:48 mircea_popescu: aaaaand it confirmed

23:46:00 mircea_popescu: how about that kakobrekla ! not bad for a 0 fee tx "in this climate" eh ?

23:46:23 kakobrekla: is not bad no, i guess the size and age did it just.

23:46:29 mircea_popescu: oh oh

23:46:42 mircea_popescu: not saturday, right ? and not the one before it, when the bet closed

23:46:51 mircea_popescu: just now, an hour after the other one, all it needs is a block.

23:46:55 mircea_popescu: i'm so ever impressed.

23:48:07 mircea_popescu: for the record, there are about 50k txn with a higher per-byte offering, and all of those have been in the mempool for ehhh i dunno, a week more than half hour ?

23:49:15 kakobrekla: i could easily get past fee paying txes with large and old inputs without fee months ago. i reckon this still stands.

23:49:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47608 @ 0.00056821 = 27.0513 BTC [+]

23:49:34 mircea_popescu: dude what nonsense is this.

23:49:47 mircea_popescu: so a tx is broadcast, saturday. it doesn't even register.

23:49:56 mircea_popescu: then it just so happens that tuesday night it's good enough ?

23:50:33 kakobrekla: you get higher priority when unconfirmed time rises, yes.

23:50:36 mircea_popescu: this is the smoking gun re miner collusion to scam bitbet. the loing and the short of it.

23:50:45 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla IT HAD NO UNCONFIRMED TIME

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23:51:28 mircea_popescu: it was a 20 minute old txn at the time it was included in a block.

23:51:33 kakobrekla: you cant just delete tx from EVERYONES mempool

23:51:40 mircea_popescu: heh.

23:51:41 mircea_popescu: but you can.

23:51:46 mircea_popescu: someone just did.

23:52:29 mircea_popescu: "Received 17 minutes ago Confirmations 3/6 "

23:52:31 mircea_popescu: how do you like that!

23:53:05 kakobrekla: for all we know KnCMiner or whoever mined it, had it in his mempool all this time.

23:53:17 mircea_popescu: they're witholding blocks (what, you think the blocks you see are the blocks at they're mined ?!), they're withholding txn now, etc.

23:53:40 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yeah, had it in sidepool for 4 days, waiting to see if i repay it without doublespent. which i did. today. 2 hours ago.

23:54:28 kakobrekla: actually no need to rebroadcast in that case, you can just include in block - would not see it as uncofirmed at all.

23:54:39 kakobrekla: so somebody else had it as well.

23:55:00 mircea_popescu: understand : at the time you saw it as "broadcast" it was ALREADY included in a block

23:55:04 mircea_popescu: that was at the time withheld.

23:55:13 ben_vulpes: waiwut how does it make economic sense to not release blocks?

23:55:22 mircea_popescu: because miner colusion, again.

23:55:35 kakobrekla: it could be malicious act by someone who won that bet. saw a 0 conf tx and tried to take advantage of this what just happened.

23:55:37 mircea_popescu: you don't see nasdaq data straight, but with half hour delay

23:55:51 mircea_popescu: why do you expect you see block data ? chinese miners have their own pre-time network.

23:56:08 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla only miners in control of well over 90% of hash can attempt this sort of inept shit.

23:56:52 kakobrekla: anyone could have done it as long as it fools you that it has been 'forgotten'.

23:56:56 mircea_popescu: in fact - once you have 51% you can withhold blocks forever with impunity - time works in your favour.

23:56:59 kakobrekla: and needs resigning.

23:57:18 mircea_popescu: the only anyone who can destroy a txn is the anyone who controls the mining.

23:58:08 kakobrekla: flood of txes + 0 fee tx brings about good chance of falling out block readers

23:58:44 mircea_popescu: i can't comprehend what you're trying to argue here. you're roughly in the position of a prison warden facing an empty cell and a hole in the wall going "hey, water infiltration can sometimes make holes in walls"

23:58:47 mircea_popescu: yeah, i'm sure they can.