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00:00:02 SquirtPrincess: thx<3

00:00:06 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes yeah.

00:00:40 mircea_popescu: 100mn. because you don't want the schmuck getting ideas.

00:00:42 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: If he was rich already he'd work his own practice. He's just high income. Still in his first year, hence medicaid clinic with a bunch of doctors who don't know pharmacists are snitches.

00:01:08 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Ah. So the sort of Jews who don't come here.

00:01:35 pete_dushenski: lel

00:02:01 pete_dushenski: wait, who said that it's a jew dating the jap ?

00:02:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26900 @ 0.00025006 = 6.7266 BTC [+]

00:02:30 pete_dushenski: jews, having grown up with the devils, should know better

00:02:49 pete_dushenski: jap = 'jewish american princess'

00:03:22 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo eh well let's give him a few years

00:04:56 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: He's actually looking at new employers that pay less, aren't located in East Saint, and where he coworkers won't force him into the contest of his license versus theirs.

00:05:42 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: yeah but i don't want a schmuck, and i want him to have ideas.

00:05:59 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: But, "High Income" profession

00:06:04 ben_vulpes: muhammed scale ideas.

00:09:14 BingoBoingo: America's history with Islam is weird. The Founding fathers found Muhamadean culture and scholarship fashionable while the the grandkids can't think of anything worse.

00:10:59 pete_dushenski: aaaand i'm off!

00:17:11 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

00:17:16 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 243.98, vol: 8041.90359442 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 240.96, vol: 10548.80132 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 244.4, vol: 22341.3479467 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 252.13, vol: 14.17978055 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 243.896382, vol: 128550.65720000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 244.42198, vol: 1.026009 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 244.013049, vol: 50.57372473 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)

00:29:20 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo arabism is still fashionable. just another exoticism.

00:30:46 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Sure. A number of people love Dubai while hating the current fallout of the British/French partition of the region after the empire

00:31:02 mircea_popescu: i guess so.

00:32:05 BingoBoingo: I mean there were discussion on making Kurdistan a thing.

00:32:56 BingoBoingo: Just the line were drawn stupidly because the British and French wanted "parity"

00:33:54 BingoBoingo: !up pete_dushenski OH back already?

00:34:06 pete_dushenski: for 2 seconds!

00:34:21 pete_dushenski: because HOLYWTFBBQ happened to the logs!

00:34:26 pete_dushenski: http://imgur.com/FhAsviT << kakobrekla mircea_popescu

00:34:26 assbot: Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1OWPm6z )

00:34:47 pete_dushenski: log1 normal, log.bitcoin-assets.com bizarelly borked

00:34:58 mircea_popescu: lolwut

00:35:01 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla ownered box ?

00:35:23 pete_dushenski: bizarrely*

00:35:34 mircea_popescu: pretty lulzy at that.

00:35:43 pete_dushenski: and it changes when you refresh

00:35:45 mircea_popescu: shtylman, i was trying to recall that fucktard's name. the guy with the hat.

00:36:16 mircea_popescu: obv kakobrekla made an april fool's joke that blew up because he forgot log1 :D

00:36:40 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Calendar

00:36:42 mircea_popescu: but it is pretty lulzy lol

00:37:37 pete_dushenski: lmao here i was thinking to myself "someone haxxed the logs! and is going to ruin our searches!"

00:37:51 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski that's what they WANT YOU TO THINK

00:38:28 pete_dushenski: sounds suspiciously like "taxes are good for you and the economy"

00:38:42 BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Best log error evar

00:39:52 pete_dushenski: alright you jokesters, i'm re-heading back out into the world. until tomorrow!

00:41:36 mod6: <+BingoBoingo> kakobrekla: Best log error evar << that is pretty good hehe

00:42:39 BingoBoingo: I thought last year was good, buy kako puts the cess in success

00:43:18 mod6: did he fake me out last year?

00:43:21 mod6: *didn't

00:43:35 mod6: one year i got gotten iirc

00:52:25 BingoBoingo: !up ebriusinanis

00:52:37 BingoBoingo: http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2015/03/31/switch_flasks_switch_products.php << Tiny differences

00:52:38 assbot: Switch Flasks, Switch Products. In the Pipeline: ... ( http://bit.ly/1OWSmjf )

01:02:29 *: jurov is going to bash whole day

01:04:58 scoopbot: New post on fraudsters by Mircea Popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2015/ok-ok-you-had-me-d/

01:05:26 BingoBoingo: !b 2 test

01:05:28 assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1R4ZRB8.txt )

01:17:49 BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats

01:17:53 gribble: Current Blocks: 350168 | Current Difficulty: 4.671754964470642E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 350783 | Next Difficulty In: 615 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 2 hours, 24 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 50216839506.9 | Estimated Percent Change: 7.49031

01:18:33 BingoBoingo: nefario: Thinking about taking up Burnside's BTC-TC code sale?

01:19:29 nubbins`: i'll buy it if he doesn't

01:21:30 BingoBoingo: lol gigavps

01:22:22 BingoBoingo: !up ebriusinanis

01:27:41 mod6: <+ascii_field> ben_vulpes, mod6, et al: auto.sh leads to 'util.h:650:8: error: ‘uint32_t’ does not name a type' on my boxes. << what os/arch?

01:28:52 mod6: yes, was tested on a hand full of environments ( as stated in the ADDRESS ): deb6 (64/32), gentoo (64/32), ubuntu 12/14 (64) and apparently macosx too. not sure what you're running into.

01:29:20 mod6: many of us were able to build, not just me this time ;)

01:29:51 danielpbarron: i think that was me, and it's most likely a problem with my computer

01:29:55 mod6: there is a version number in the top of the auto.sh script, which version are you using?

01:29:59 mod6: oh. ok.

01:30:03 mod6: it's all good now?

01:30:54 danielpbarron: my computer? no

01:31:26 mod6: :/ aight

01:31:55 danielpbarron: ironically enough, the same computer that successfully built bitcoind for pogo way back when the project first began

01:33:40 BingoBoingo: !up Pierre_Rochard

01:33:43 nubbins`: afaik asciilifeform is compiling on gentoo

01:33:54 danielpbarron: i am also on gentoo

01:33:55 nubbins`: not sure if he's targeting the same, or the pogo via portatronic

01:34:03 mod6: so i got everything to compile on obsd, but getting segfaults when trying to run the static binary. core dump looks like its something with threading...

01:34:08 nubbins`: i suspect the latter

01:34:55 mod6: ok, so remember, version that we have for auto.sh (v0.0.5 & v0.0.5-32) are NOT to be used for cross compiling.

01:35:18 mod6: if you wanna do that cross compiling stuff, you gotta use ascii's original one.

01:35:29 BingoBoingo: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=865245.msg10935804#msg10935804

01:35:29 assbot: 2 missing users ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJQRkZ )

01:37:32 mod6: we really need two branches of code now i think.

01:37:56 mod6: these projects are diverging.

01:38:08 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: (cc: hanbot) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=966287.msg10563582#msg10563582

01:38:08 assbot: Alt Convention - 8-10 October Batumi Georgia ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJR9sl )

01:38:21 nubbins`: ah, i think it's a bit early for that

01:38:48 nubbins`: the two auto.sh are close enough

01:38:49 mod6: iirc ascii mentioned it, said he'd maintain the pogo project. it's not a horrible idea.

01:39:29 mod6: anyway, food for thought.

01:39:38 nubbins`: yeah

01:39:44 BingoBoingo: platform specific patch sets may end up being a necessary evil, even if there isn't a full split

01:39:51 nubbins`: ^ this

01:40:26 nubbins`: so far, at least, i think there's only minor changes needed for the various platforms

01:40:34 nubbins`: or isolated changes, at least.

01:40:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 283450 @ 0.00024996 = 70.8512 BTC [-] {5}

01:44:36 trinque: if it's small stuff should be able to ifdef it

01:44:41 hanbot: BingoBoingo ahaha what a horrorshow. that guy's idiocy is like kudzu.

01:45:14 BingoBoingo: hanbot: Seriously. I haven't seen the old lady sockpuppet though in a while

01:48:00 asciilifeform: i was building amd64

01:48:05 asciilifeform: using published release auto.sh

01:48:16 asciilifeform: barfs on all of my boxes

01:48:28 asciilifeform: in the same way (the integers thing)

01:49:46 asciilifeform: batumi << wtf is 'alternative income' ?

01:51:11 hanbot: it is unlike any other income you have made before.

01:51:12 nubbins`: my buildroot cross-toolchain was still no good, boost needed large file support :o

01:51:20 *: nubbins` compiling again

01:52:31 danielpbarron: nubbins`> what's danielpbarron's nodes running, bsd? << ArchLinux

01:52:43 danielpbarron: if you mean my test pogos

01:53:24 mod6: asciilifeform: huh. im not sure what'd that be. i did a lot of testing on amd64, ever saw that error. i did see something similar just now though on openbsd, but i suspect that something totally different because, well, openbsd.

01:53:35 BingoBoingo: !up ebriusinanis

01:53:51 asciilifeform: mod6: may have to do with gcc version

01:54:07 danielpbarron: nubbins`, http://danielpbarron.com/pogo-build.sh.txt

01:54:07 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1C4IvOg )

01:54:12 mod6: most of our testing we were successful with seemed to be gcc 4.4.5

01:54:36 asciilifeform: unrelated, someone needs to take ben_vulpes's rm_rf_upnp patch and turn that into a separate executable that does upnp.

01:54:40 mod6: the build im trying to work through on openbsd uses like (I can't remember off the top of my head) 4.2.x or something

01:54:48 mod6: something downlevel anyway

01:54:52 BingoBoingo: <mod6> asciilifeform: huh. im not sure what'd that be. i did a lot of testing on amd64, ever saw that error. i did see something similar just now though on openbsd, but i suspect that something totally different because, well, openbsd. << I'll go on the record as saying OpenBSD should not be considered "gold standard" unix in the way gentoo is. OpenBSD goes way out of its way to prevent user from hanging self.

01:55:17 BingoBoingo: ;;google site:undeadly.org gcc

01:55:18 gribble: New Compiler Capabilities: -fstack-shuffle and Return Value Guards: http://www.undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20140507100510&mode=flat; BSD Licensed PCC Compiler Imported - OpenBSD Journal: http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20070915195203&pid=52; Developer Blog: Large Piece of PIE - OpenBSD Journal: http://www.undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20081117202731

01:55:37 BingoBoingo: ;;google openbsd.org gcc man

01:55:38 gribble: gcc-local(1) - OpenBSD: http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=gcc-local&sektion=1; 2 - Getting to know OpenBSD: http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq2.html; OpenBSD 5.5: http://www.openbsd.org/55.html

01:55:41 thestringpuller: I really need to run OpenBSD soon just to start learning it.

01:55:52 mod6: BingoBoingo: all of this was very recently tested on gentoo. both 64 & 32 bit.

01:56:23 mod6: You think that gentoo would be better than openbsd?

01:57:12 BingoBoingo: mod6: Sure. Gentoo is still at its heart Linux. As best as I can tell having lived with it as sole OS for a few months OpenBSD compared to linux is more of an exotica like HP/UX or Slowaris.

01:57:29 BingoBoingo: <mod6> You think that gentoo would be better than openbsd? << Not better, just vastly different targets

01:57:43 mod6: what about all the "linux is dead" memes?

01:58:04 nubbins`: risc os is alive

01:58:29 asciilifeform: mod6: there's be substance to that if i hadn't just built a 3.18 kernel and full userland into <5MB with no systemd crapolade

01:58:50 asciilifeform: nubbins`: msdos is considerably more alive than riscos

01:59:03 mod6: what if gentoo adopts systemd next week?

01:59:19 asciilifeform: mod6: it adopted long ago. but on account of how gentoo is designed, easily removed

01:59:20 trinque: the nature of gentoo makes removing it a lot easier

01:59:24 mod6: (is it the only hold out left?)

01:59:24 asciilifeform: ^

01:59:47 mod6: oh. ok, didn't even know that.

01:59:55 BingoBoingo: Also some gentoo people spent enough time on OpenRC that OpenRC cannot be easily disappeared

02:00:03 asciilifeform: a default gentoo (to the extent it even makes sense to utter such a thing) built by someone carelessly reading the cookbook will end up with systemd as likely as not

02:00:06 mod6: i've used gentoo exactly 2x: for testing bitcoind hah

02:00:09 asciilifeform: so you could say it already 'adopted.'

02:00:34 trinque: mod6: "use flags" and package.mask for great justice against systemd, udev, etc

02:01:00 mod6: someone should publish a "how-to-build-non-derp-gentoo" receipe

02:01:09 asciilifeform: mod6: exists

02:01:32 asciilifeform: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Gentoo_Without_systemd

02:01:33 assbot: Gentoo Without systemd - Gentoo Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1C4K3ry )

02:01:45 mod6: ah good deal, thanks.

02:01:52 trinque: gentoo is a labyrinth within which one transcends the derpitude

02:01:58 trinque: by breaking and unbreaking his system

02:03:40 nubbins`: asciilifeform i kid :D

02:04:44 trinque: anyone ever tried portage on openbsd?

02:04:59 trinque: "page updated 2006" lol

02:05:40 asciilifeform: 2006 << wai wat

02:05:43 asciilifeform: where?

02:05:53 trinque: https://wwwold.gentoo.org/proj/en/gentoo-alt/bsd/obsd/doc/gentoo-openbsd.xml?style=printable

02:05:54 assbot: Gentoo Linux Documentation -- Installing Gentoo/OpenBSD ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJTZO3 )

02:06:06 trinque: redirect from the new site to that from the google result

02:06:16 asciilifeform: aha

02:06:26 trinque: wikipedia says it's on hiatus with no citation

02:06:30 trinque: must be true

02:06:40 trinque: anyhow it's a nice thought

02:06:45 BingoBoingo: trinque> anyone ever tried portage on openbsd? << port are supported and pkg_src are supported porting portage to my knowledge is a work in progress or abandonware

02:06:50 trinque: portage is really what I love, not so much gentoo linux

02:07:00 trinque: BingoBoingo: yeh looks like abandonware

02:07:16 trinque: ports seems almost the way there, but I don't see a way for example to globally mask a package or option as you can with portage

02:07:19 trinque: that imo is the killer feature

02:07:46 asciilifeform: trinque: if you put aside 'portage', gentoo is largely good for the 'unfeatures'

02:07:55 trinque: mhm

02:07:56 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by thestringpuller: http://qntra.net/2015/04/socialist-shill-announces-launch-of-third-key-solutions/

02:07:59 asciilifeform: that is, absence of particular varieties of otherwise-ubiquitous crapolade

02:08:37 BingoBoingo: <trinque> that imo is the killer feature << Portage seems too much a user friendly feature for OpenBSD. They have features, but avoid the kind that attract users with "easy"

02:09:07 asciilifeform: portage is 'easy' until the first multihorned merge conflict

02:09:33 trinque: ^ there are plenty of times when portage just tells you to fuck off and fix it yourself

02:09:49 BingoBoingo: And trying to walk someone through that is/(would be) hell

02:09:53 trinque: pkg_add can be "friendlier" in terms of happily pulling down all kinds of deps

02:10:12 trinque: I want to say "no fuck you, never gnome anything, never kde anything, so help you flamethrower"

02:10:38 asciilifeform: trinque: in my (since '04) life with gentoo, many times the only 'fix' was to go barbarously outside of portage

02:10:46 asciilifeform: and hammer things in by hand

02:11:03 asciilifeform: never -once- used pkg_add

02:11:11 asciilifeform: or what it was.

02:11:52 BingoBoingo: <trinque> I want to say "no fuck you, never gnome anything, never kde anything, so help you flamethrower" << in my limited experience mostly involves checking version of packages of building with delete key

02:14:13 trinque: I hear ya; still I always like systems where I can declare constraints and have the thing blow up should the constraint be violated

02:14:24 trinque: rather, should something attempt violation

02:15:36 trinque: in fact we both value constraints, just that yours are in your noggin and I want mine in the thing

02:16:59 BingoBoingo: What, fail deadly is a thing.

02:17:12 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/04/socialist-shill-announces-launch-of-third-key-solutions/#comment-16241

02:17:13 assbot: Socialist Shill Announces Launch of Third Key Solutions | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJV3kI )

02:18:08 asciilifeform: when do we get a 'second cock solutions' ?

02:18:28 asciilifeform: does 'third key' not immediately evoke an unwelcome interloper to everyone ?

02:18:39 asciilifeform: i can hardly think of a less-appetizing name for anything!

02:19:03 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform thestringpuller: http://qntra.net/2015/04/socialist-shill-announces-launch-of-third-key-solutions/#comment-16242

02:19:04 assbot: Socialist Shill Announces Launch of Third Key Solutions | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJVhbK )

02:19:29 BingoBoingo: It invokes interloper

02:19:57 decimation: asciilifeform: makers of fine locks often retain the 'master key list'

02:20:07 BingoBoingo: Much as chinese 5.56 assault rifle invokes fifth column invasion and scavengers

02:20:08 decimation: but in that case the end user isn't capable of crafting his key

02:20:34 BingoBoingo: <trinque> in fact we both value constraints, just that yours are in your noggin and I want mine in the thing << Knowing that a thing fails deadly is a value all its own.

02:20:45 asciilifeform: decimation: any lock on which you find an engraved number, is this

02:21:00 asciilifeform: the thing is there for the convenience of locksmith so he doesn't have to mutilate your car or whatnot with picks

02:21:15 decimation: some locks are neigh 'unpickable' too

02:21:28 asciilifeform: these get mutilated.

02:22:32 decimation: point is, there's a third party involved. but crypto doesn't require a third party to machine the keys

02:22:37 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it was actually chambered in the american 5.56 ?!

02:22:54 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: and not ru 5.45 ?

02:23:23 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: There is a variation of the Chinese type whateverthefuck chambered in American 5.56, Russian 5.xx didn't exist yet

02:23:53 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if pre-dates the ru switchover, probably built for expert to hanoi

02:23:56 asciilifeform: *export

02:24:07 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Later than that

02:24:10 BingoBoingo: 1980's

02:24:14 asciilifeform: !up ebriusinanis

02:24:15 decimation: was it built for their little brown brothers in vietnam?

02:24:37 BingoBoingo: Built too late for 'Nam.

02:24:42 BingoBoingo: To my knowledge

02:27:11 decimation: usg was hustled by the vietnamese

02:27:18 decimation: most of their 'allies' were communist moles

02:27:39 asciilifeform: ^ well-documented

02:27:46 decimation: wouldn't surprise me if the north vietnamese were supplied with american 5.56

02:28:09 asciilifeform: at any rate, it could well have been produced for 'next vietnam'

02:28:30 BingoBoingo: Type-03 and others in their "export version" are so chambered

02:28:37 asciilifeform: the near east, for instance, could certainly benefit from a few boats of 5.56

02:29:05 decimation: I'm sure israel has 5.56 ammo plants

02:29:19 asciilifeform: the other near east.

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02:29:32 decimation: http://www.imi-israel.com/home/doc.aspx?mCatID=63189

02:29:34 assbot: Small Caliber Ammunition ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJWeAS )

02:29:57 BingoBoingo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norinco_CQ

02:29:58 assbot: Norinco CQ - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJWfVo )

02:29:59 decimation: the iranians probably manage it too

02:32:39 decimation: lol why do the chinese bother to make an m4gery

02:32:41 BingoBoingo: Well, the Iranians also fly F-14's

02:33:36 decimation: heh not for long http://www.foxnews.com/story/2007/01/31/pentagon-halts-sale-f-14-parts-coveted-by-iran/

02:33:37 assbot: Pentagon Halts Sale of F-14 Parts Coveted by Iran | Fox News ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJWAau )

02:33:56 decimation: ^ re: ascii's point about modern jets being part of a large industrial base

02:34:27 asciilifeform: see also the gigantic pile of soviet jets in timisoara

02:35:22 BingoBoingo: decimation: Remember that direct sale of parts to Iran has been halted since Ayatollas have been a thing. Iran has had plenty of time to improvise machine shops

02:36:08 decimation: there's a difference between 'a machine shop' and the metallurgy required to make a high-performance jet engine

02:36:19 asciilifeform: not only metallurgy.

02:36:45 asciilifeform: american jets are heavy on semiconductor crapolade

02:36:51 decimation: usg knows precisely which necks to squeeze

02:36:54 asciilifeform: running hell knows what.

02:37:17 decimation: the swiss were famous for re-writing the f-16 code from the ground up

02:38:48 BingoBoingo: https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.documentcloud.org/documents/1698397/heightened-cash-monitoring-list-as-of-march-1-2015.pdf << different lolz

02:40:48 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what precisely is this ?

02:41:16 asciilifeform: and notice how all the 'severe findings' (?) entries were censored.

02:41:28 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: US colleges whose every finaid dollar is "watch listed" except for the ~60 schools on the most severe watch list

02:42:10 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: are these listed in any discernible order ?

02:42:17 BingoBoingo: But seriously if given 3 decades the Iranians lack the foundries and forensics to duplicate the parts... Maybe Allah doesn't want them to be a nation-state

02:42:19 asciilifeform: because, if so, it may be possible to determine the snipped entries

02:42:50 asciilifeform: (even if no order. if the complete list can be found anywhere)

02:42:57 asciilifeform: ^ good qntra project ?

02:43:20 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I have yet to discern an order. Part of the reason why link dropped here and not on Qntra as "Oh look at how USia Squeezes Struggling Schools"

02:43:21 asciilifeform: they do appear to be sorted by state, for instance

02:45:06 decimation: I'm amused that usg distinguishes between 'proprietary' and 'private'

02:45:22 decimation: which I take to mean "submits to usg T/F"

02:45:32 BingoBoingo: ^

02:46:29 BingoBoingo: Differnce is financial disinterested Board of Directors, vs. trying to save their investment Board of Directors

02:46:45 BingoBoingo: !up ebriusinanis

02:47:18 decimation: right, and the reason for 'disinterest' is because they expect usg to make them whole

02:48:10 BingoBoingo: Pretty much, though some public schools make it like Southern Illinois University's Carbondale campus. But that example is mostly because Illinois is American Somolia

02:50:05 BingoBoingo: List has some serious lulz though, like the entire fucking state of Minnesota at all levels being on the list

02:54:03 ebriusinanis: you guys still have school? i thought you had ipad nao?

02:54:35 ebriusinanis: oh look, he's swiping

02:55:29 BingoBoingo: ebriusinanis: That didn't start until my first grad school stint and it wasn't mainstream until the last sememster of the second stint

02:55:55 ebriusinanis: yeah well at least you learned wiping first

02:59:36 nubbins`: can't swipe without wipe

03:02:44 nubbins`: dat unsolicited pm

03:03:02 ebriusinanis: shh

03:14:24 mod6: asciilifeform: any luck with that error?

03:19:40 nubbins`: o-o-o-o-o!

03:19:41 nubbins`: now i see

03:19:44 nubbins`: !up ebriusinanis

03:40:16 BingoBoingo: gigavps: <ebriusinanis> whoa, my latin reads like "hes bruisin anus"

03:40:16 BingoBoingo: <ebriusinanis> such reality

03:40:16 BingoBoingo: <ebriusinanis> here i thought i was a poem

03:43:19 hanbot: asciilifeform / gentoo-friendly folks: on emerge, do slot conflicts where the listed package is followed by 0 actually require manual resolution?

03:43:34 lobbes: kakobrekla: aha, thanks for the lulz. I was thoroughly confused for a second ;/

03:45:42 ebriusinanis: ^

03:47:40 hanbot: not even sure i asked that correctly. suffice it to say, want to install a package, have been looking at successive blocked package and slot conflict warnings at each resolution attempt (for said pckg's dependencies), am (naively?) hoping at least some of these can be ignored

03:52:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49900 @ 0.00025061 = 12.5054 BTC [+]

03:56:25 nubbins`: hanbot try: emerge --sync; emerge -avuND world

03:56:29 nubbins`: then try again?

04:01:09 hanbot: lessee!

04:03:43 hanbot: lol installing 6 of 327, mayhap i missed a setup step. tyvm nubbins'.

04:07:32 nubbins`: apparently gentoo works a lot better when all your packages are up to date. this is about where my advice ends, i've been using it for a whole three days now ;p

04:11:27 *: hanbot is used to spraying updates with fire&loathing, good to know

04:17:31 *: nubbins` sighs, attempts 3rd cross-toolchain build of the day

04:17:43 nubbins`: now with more options enabled (tm)

04:29:47 trinque: hanbot: paste fart emitted from emerge

04:29:57 trinque: er nvm

04:30:17 trinque: looks like it's working

04:33:44 hanbot: well it's certainly toiling. it's very pleasant to watch it chew without complaining meanwhile.

04:38:58 BingoBoingo: !s faust

04:38:59 assbot: 1 results for 'faust' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=faust

04:41:42 trinque: among friends of mine, we refer to gentoo as "gentoo quest" and for good reason

04:41:49 trinque: not so much an OS as a linux RPG

04:41:58 trinque: teaches you a lot

04:42:17 BingoBoingo: trinque: Ever play with pre-v10 slowaris?

04:43:03 trinque: BingoBoingo: not at all; fun in the same ways?

04:44:05 BingoBoingo: trinque: Best contrast I can find to OpenBSD. Gentoo is pure (theoretical)Linus-linux. Slowaris and OpenBSD are both... different

04:47:10 trinque: BingoBoingo: this I think is the saddest thing about fuck-ups like systemd, "cram everything into one program" is not novel. I wouldn't mind trying unix-like systems which *actually* tried something (novelly) different

04:47:56 BingoBoingo: trinque: Seriously. Busybox is boring. Complete dominion over memory functions as Obsd does, cool

04:52:25 asciilifeform: hanbot: no, they can't be ignored

04:53:29 asciilifeform: <hanbot> ... it's very pleasant to watch it chew without complaining << half the addiction potential of gentoo right there

04:53:37 asciilifeform: like watching a garden grow, if you could do so in real time

04:54:29 asciilifeform: <BingoBoingo> ... Busybox is boring. << it wasn't built to be interesting, but to take up the least space possible while still doing, approximately, the job.

04:55:04 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Almost only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades

04:55:09 asciilifeform: essentially cut-down versions of all the customary userland utils but rolled into one binary, which then gets called from tiny scripts each of which pretends to be, e.g., 'top' or 'ls'

04:55:29 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it makes for a largely usable box. boot up 'turdel', try it.

04:56:30 *: BingoBoingo is short on undedicated boxes of purpose and needs to start renting VPS's or hope BTC host starts

04:56:31 asciilifeform: did you ever even use all the possible flags for 'less' anyway.

04:56:45 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I suck at both more and less

04:57:21 trinque: the distinction between separate programs and well-separated functions isn't a huge one

04:57:31 trinque: busybox fucks up not by "doing all the things" but by intertangling all the things

04:57:35 trinque: *could fuck up

04:57:57 asciilifeform: obligatory classic: https://gist.github.com/pete/665971

04:57:59 assbot: Various implementations of the 'cat' command, for comparison. ... ( http://bit.ly/1yygoqH )

04:58:01 trinque: so as long as the commands it's providing aren't insanely tangled, no big deal

04:58:18 asciilifeform: 'busybox' is closer to the smaller incarnations

04:58:21 trinque: I think some might look at it and compare it to the systemd situation

04:58:30 trinque: where one codebase is providing a ton of functionality

04:58:37 asciilifeform: trinque: the only possible point of comparison is the swiss army knife aspect

04:58:54 trinque: yep, totally appropriate tool in an appropriate situation

04:58:57 asciilifeform: but these aren't processes crammed into one box

04:59:00 asciilifeform: these are fucking utils

04:59:04 asciilifeform: that run in shots

04:59:35 BingoBoingo: Alpine Linux looks interesting, but... before I return to linux I want to spend more time in weirdix full time

05:00:05 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: thing is, if you understand how to use 'buildroot' you no longer need distros

05:00:35 asciilifeform: (though i do like 'portage' more than hand-waltzing every proggy. if only marginally.)

05:01:36 asciilifeform: who the hell was ebriusinanis anyway?

05:01:47 asciilifeform: asks quite a few questions for a random fella.

05:02:03 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> who the hell was ebriusinanis anyway? << Vexual, especially coherent tonight

05:02:44 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: how you know? did he sign ?

05:03:28 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: PM behavior pattern. Not strongest authentication, kinda suspicious, but psych profile almost checks

05:03:38 BingoBoingo: !up ebriusinanis

05:04:12 asciilifeform: incidentally, i keep waiting for 'deceased' folks like pankkake or moiety to 'return from the grave' (after ninjasp4mz0r buys their keys for xxx btc)

05:04:18 ebriusinanis: its my katin name

05:04:24 ebriusinanis: *latin

05:05:10 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> incidentally, i keep waiting for 'deceased' folks like pankkake or moiety to 'return from the grave' (after ninjasp4mz0r buys their keys for xxx btc) << I'm not sure moiety isn't undead and normant.

05:05:46 ebriusinanis: pankakke would like these logs

05:06:19 BingoBoingo: pankakke is weird.

05:06:42 BingoBoingo: pankakke knows what his keys are worth and that is a lot

05:07:00 ebriusinanis: fail rages him

05:07:14 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: only worth, hypothetically, in the hands of a skilled operative

05:07:40 asciilifeform: who could convincingly (let's dream) pretend to be a 'prodigal son'

05:08:00 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The problem with pankakke keys is faking pankakke would be expensive

05:08:18 asciilifeform: cheaper if you can pay the original to do it

05:11:17 BingoBoingo: So HBO scientology doc, not so bad. Jason Beghe's parts are the best.

05:23:24 BingoBoingo: !up felipelalli

05:29:20 Chillum: This reminds me of being a kid: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f6/PRODOS402_catalog.png

05:29:21 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ahq6sd )

05:30:40 felipelalli: !gettrust asteric

05:30:40 assbot: asteric is not registered in WoT.

05:40:11 mircea_popescu: "The www.burtw.com web site is real. It was put up by my wife (JeanW on here now). To answer some questions posted above: I traded on localbitcoins.com. The prosecutor in the case claims I needed a business money transmittal license to do that. Instead of just notifying me that they though I might need a license they have charged me with a felony which could mean up to 5 years in prison and a $250,000 fine.

05:40:12 mircea_popescu: Because I had to hire TWO law firms, one for the criminal case and another one for the civil forfeiture case, so far, defending myself against the charge of not having a license in order to trade on localbitcoins has cost me almost $200,000. This is a large chunk of our retirement fund and our daughters college fund. This does not count the property (Bitcoins, cash, etc.) I may have to forfeit in civil forfeiture."

05:40:30 mircea_popescu: born in the usa... he's fucked... born in the usa...

05:40:50 BingoBoingo: !up ebriusinanis

05:41:29 mircea_popescu: hopefully he gets his guts together and flies another plane into another usg office.

05:41:42 mircea_popescu: pretty much the only avenue remaining for elder us folk.

05:44:49 BingoBoingo: For the truly old there's still caverject and official's daughters

05:49:36 felipelalli: if this is true, this is actually sad. :/

05:50:16 BingoBoingo: felipelalli: I dunno caverject contains some serious trade offs in its method of administration

05:51:30 ebriusinanis: https://vimeo.com/62839747 london calling

05:51:31 assbot: Cadbury Gorilla Drummer Drums To Phil Collins on Vimeo ... ( http://bit.ly/1ahteUR )

05:56:24 cazalla: will deedbot qntra march once it comes back otherwise http://qntra.net/2015/04/qntra-s-qntr-march-2015-statement/

05:56:24 assbot: Qntra (S.QNTR) March 2015 Statement | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1ahtP99 )

05:56:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87300 @ 0.00024739 = 21.5971 BTC [-]

05:59:29 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/04/qntra-s-qntr-march-2015-statement/

06:05:21 ebriusinanis: poso eh good luck with thqat shit

06:08:56 ebriusinanis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utyTxWvxYr4

06:08:57 assbot: Who the Cap Fit - BOB MARLEY - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ahvyuW )

06:12:49 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo lmao antonoderp and matonis going to aussie striker bitbillions "convention" !?

06:12:51 mircea_popescu: ahahaha

06:13:27 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: As far as I know so far

06:13:40 mircea_popescu: top kek.

06:14:49 hanbot: asciilifeform> hanbot: no, they can't be ignored << ah okay. noted!

06:14:53 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1081872 << quite.

06:14:53 assbot: Logged on 01-04-2015 02:01:00; mod6: someone should publish a "how-to-build-non-derp-gentoo" receipe

06:24:20 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1081991 << theres lots and lots and lots of wars going on in the rogue state.

06:24:20 assbot: Logged on 01-04-2015 02:50:05; BingoBoingo: List has some serious lulz though, like the entire fucking state of Minnesota at all levels being on the list

06:25:00 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I can't even keep the local ones straight

06:27:05 BingoBoingo: http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/spence-jackson-note-said-he-couldn-t-face-unemployment-again/article_2f8eb775-740b-55cb-9630-273747853f0c.html << More Schweich fallout. His closes assistant "offed himself" nao

06:27:06 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1HiqVLA )

06:30:19 trinque: cazalla: ^ dunno why it's dying, so I'm just going to stick it on a 24hr cron restart for now

06:30:25 trinque: !up deedbot-

06:31:05 BingoBoingo: Also... The NY jews that raised Fisher lost US chess to St Louis http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/chess-championships-take-cue-from-televised-poker-move-to-live/article_b512b3a8-0122-5d26-9853-80d6597e5302.html

06:31:05 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hir7KS )

06:33:45 cazalla: deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/3EAJT88

06:33:46 assbot: dpaste: 3EAJT88 ... ( http://bit.ly/1HirfK8 )

06:33:59 trinque: cazalla: give it the txt version; that's an html page

06:34:05 trinque: deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/3EAJT88.txt

06:34:06 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hirhlh )

06:34:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95100 @ 0.00024854 = 23.6362 BTC [+]

06:34:40 trinque: wake up ya bastard

06:36:33 trinque: deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/3EAJT88.txt

06:36:34 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1HirmWa )

06:36:34 deedbot-: accepted: 1

06:37:08 trinque: cazalla: there ya go; had to kick it from both sides

06:49:00 BingoBoingo: ;;seen brendafdez

06:49:00 gribble: brendafdez was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 days, 7 hours, 43 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: <brendafdez> mircea_popescu it works now. Anyway the IP I'm on now is one of a public AP, it shouldnt be whitelisted. I'll later give you my home IP, and BingoBoingo has my VPS IP already. I didn't know you were filtering.

06:56:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21283 @ 0.00024854 = 5.2897 BTC [+]

08:48:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108200 @ 0.00024786 = 26.8185 BTC [-] {3}

08:54:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25950 @ 0.00025027 = 6.4945 BTC [+]

09:03:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.01467997 = 1.468 BTC [+]

09:26:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73000 @ 0.00024732 = 18.0544 BTC [-]

10:00:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92698 @ 0.00024968 = 23.1448 BTC [+] {2}

10:43:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00025027 = 4.0293 BTC [+]

10:46:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60600 @ 0.00024732 = 14.9876 BTC [-]

11:18:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96287 @ 0.00024716 = 23.7983 BTC [-] {2}

11:43:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.00025058 = 4.2599 BTC [+] {2}

11:46:06 nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1081872 << quite. <<< they did, https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:Main_Page

11:46:06 assbot: Logged on 01-04-2015 02:01:00; mod6: someone should publish a "how-to-build-non-derp-gentoo" receipe

11:46:07 assbot: Handbook:Main Page - Gentoo Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1F1X8nu )

12:16:21 fluffypony: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/311gfc/in_a_plea_bargain_former_dea_agent_agrees_to/

12:16:22 assbot: In a plea bargain, former DEA agent agrees to return 665,950 BTC stolen from MtGOX in 2013 : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1DtcXr1 )

12:16:48 chetty: I'd like to ask a favor of someone coming to conf. PM me pls

12:18:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.00025061 = 5.3129 BTC [+]

12:25:24 nubbins`: fluffypony you had me for a sec

12:26:55 fluffypony: :)

12:31:46 nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/keurig-and-its-competitors-seek-guilt-free-ways-to-dispose-of-coffee-pods-1.3016753

12:31:48 assbot: Keurig and its competitors seek guilt-free ways to dispose of coffee pods - Business - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fh7kve )

12:32:18 nubbins`: protip: if you use a single-cup coffee maker, you might as well get rid of all the garbage cans in your house and just start throwing trash out your windows

12:34:15 nubbins`: dem 3 Rs not being followed

12:34:19 nubbins`: !up The20YearIRCloud

12:34:34 The20YearIRCloud: howdy

12:37:07 The20YearIRCloud: nubbins`:

12:39:35 nubbins`: hi

12:45:17 The20YearIRCloud: Need anything?

12:45:25 nubbins`: just a backrub

12:45:55 nubbins`: oh and i'm bringing a civil suit against you for those posters

12:46:50 nubbins`: LEL APRIL FOOL'S

12:49:02 The20YearIRCloud: heh

12:49:17 The20YearIRCloud: We just did a april fools on our FB page about buying a property and removing the houses so we can put down hotels

12:53:09 danielpbarron: height=308023 vs height=219293

12:56:47 nubbins`: is the latter a 5400?

12:56:51 nubbins`: or 72

12:58:33 The20YearIRCloud: ?

12:58:48 nubbins`: that was for danielpbarron

12:59:26 danielpbarron: 54

12:59:42 nubbins`: i feel like that one was at 200k around a week ago :p

12:59:50 danielpbarron: it was

12:59:53 nubbins`: heh.

12:59:55 danielpbarron: it's super slow

13:00:03 danielpbarron: but i believe it can stay in sync once caught up

13:00:19 nubbins`: yeah

13:00:37 nubbins`: my laptop's got a 5400 as well, paused downloading blocks while i get this cross-toolchain unfucked

13:00:51 nubbins`: got an ssd on the way

13:00:57 danielpbarron: how long does your laptop take to sync?

13:01:05 danielpbarron: or has it ever?

13:01:42 nubbins`: hasn't fully yet

13:02:08 nubbins`: i had a power failure one day that set me back a bit

13:02:49 *: nubbins` groans

13:02:56 nubbins`: i literally cannot get boost built with this toolchain

13:03:46 The20YearIRCloud: Did you need anything from me nubbins` ?

13:03:59 nubbins`: just that back rub

13:04:38 The20YearIRCloud: ah ok

13:04:46 The20YearIRCloud: i'll send you a certificate in the mail at some point

13:05:21 nubbins`: phew, got that in just under the wire

13:05:50 nubbins`: okay, the boost compile was throwing errors around some of the python stuff, but it's still going

13:05:58 nubbins`: LONG_BIT definition appears wrong for platform

13:27:29 mike_c: here i am reading the logs thinking "april's fools is so dumb, who falls for this crap.. ZOMG 700,000 btc?!?".

13:27:47 mike_c: i will now smack myself in the face for 30 minutes.

13:29:22 nubbins`: heh

13:29:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79395 @ 0.00024962 = 19.8186 BTC [-]

13:30:38 jurov: hanbot should log in once more and join BTC-TC auction

13:32:30 mike_c: aw fuck me, i got buterin in the logs? that feels dirty.

13:34:11 nubbins`: f5 bro

13:34:35 jurov: stfu OgNasty

13:34:46 nubbins`: if anyone's wondering about pogotronics, i'm on my ~6th buildroot cross-toolchain compile

13:34:47 mike_c: ognasty, ok, i can live with that. kakobrekla: for the record, i'm laughing :) good one.

13:35:22 nubbins`: this may be the last one before i just try crosstools-ng

14:06:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6250 @ 0.00025061 = 1.5663 BTC [+]

14:08:38 thestringpuller: !t m s.qntr

14:08:38 assbot: [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00033 / 0.00033 / 0.00033 (100 shares, 0.03 BTC), 30D: 0.00020808 / 0.00024802 / 0.00033 (45259 shares, 11.23 BTC)

14:08:49 thestringpuller: !t m s.mpoe

14:08:49 assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00024709 / 0.0002563 / 0.00026972 (5248239 shares, 1,345.17 BTC), 7D: 0.0001443 / 0.00025408 / 0.00028207 (37726525 shares, 9,585.79 BTC), 30D: 0.0001443 / 0.00030009 / 0.0004493 (98019397 shares, 29,414.85 BTC)

14:17:24 []bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "BTC to top $700 before 1st July" http://bitbet.us/bet/1128/ Odds: 10(Y):90(N) by coin, 11(Y):89(N) by weight. Total bet: 131.96184834 BTC. Current weight: 74,938.

14:24:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 170094 @ 0.00024878 = 42.316 BTC [-] {2}

14:55:09 jurov: https://www.gentoo.org/ lol what a makeover. they can leave it permanent

14:55:10 assbot: Welcome – Gentoo Linux ... ( http://bit.ly/1FhvEwW )

14:56:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51639 @ 0.00024766 = 12.7889 BTC [-]

14:58:53 jurov: ahahaha © 1970–1981 Gentoo Foundation, Inc.

14:59:15 trinque: "more inclusive" lol

14:59:52 Chillum: lol@gentoo

15:01:00 jurov: it gets deeper: click Games Team, Multimedia Team,..

15:02:34 Chillum: bah, my computer is not fast enough for pong

15:02:51 Chillum: they should make it more inclusive

15:03:48 Chillum: lol I remember drive music!

15:03:55 Chillum: I could only play 2 drive songs though

15:16:01 danielpbarron: !up qntranet

15:26:09 pete_dushenski: jurov i just noticed that the february qntra disbursement didn't end up in my coinbr acct

15:26:23 pete_dushenski: http://qntra.net/2015/03/qntra-s-qntr-february-2015-statement/#more-2672 <<

15:26:23 assbot: Qntra (S.QNTR) February 2015 Statement | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1FhAWIP )

15:27:19 jurov: oh, did you ask for it?

15:27:55 jurov: to be done every month, i mean

15:28:07 jurov: my records show it was done only once

15:28:56 pete_dushenski: hm yes, i'm only seeing that first month's as well

15:29:30 pete_dushenski: i suppose this is where i formally ask for all my s.qntr shares to be transferred

15:29:33 pete_dushenski: :)

15:30:20 jurov: best would be to sign a statement asking for it to be done every month

15:30:33 jurov: as other people did

15:30:44 pete_dushenski: okie dokie. will do

15:43:53 pete_dushenski: https://vimeo.com/123798651 << one for BingoBoingo

15:43:54 assbot: Bitcoin diceware on a TI-89 graphing calculator on Vimeo ... ( http://bit.ly/1FhDQ09 )

15:47:48 pete_dushenski: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/1GB0YK4.txt

15:47:49 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FhEvyx )

15:48:34 trinque: !up deedbot-

15:48:39 trinque: pete_dushenski: it probably took, but try again

15:48:53 pete_dushenski: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/1GB0YK4.txt

15:48:54 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FhEI4R )

15:48:55 deedbot-: imported: E6625CC14638C4CA404694E9165749929F9A6BDD

15:49:05 pete_dushenski: win

15:49:21 ben_vulpes: spamgun bothering anyone else recently?

15:53:09 trinque: ben_vulpes: email?

15:58:24 pete_dushenski: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/3XKY6RW.txt

15:58:25 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FhGl2s )

15:58:25 deedbot-: accepted: 1

15:58:52 pete_dushenski: ^jurov

16:02:44 ben_vulpes: trinque: yup.

16:03:04 trinque: ben_vulpes: yeah, silly amounts of spam over here too

16:03:21 ben_vulpes: trinque: are you familiar with the story of ninjashogun aka robert viragh?

16:04:31 pete_dushenski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWY79JCfhjw << hehe derpbama is a talkshow host now.

16:04:32 assbot: A Conversation with President Obama and The Wire Creator David Simon - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FhHgjA )

16:05:03 pete_dushenski: already warming up for life post-2016 and the endless tours of conferences and speaking engagements

16:05:10 trinque: ben_vulpes: not specifically, logs suggest he's a scammer, loudmouth, etc

16:06:30 nubbins`: i thought he was a robot that just spouted words about business

16:07:31 pete_dushenski: david simon clearly wondering to himself "why did i agree to let this guy grandstand about things he doesn't know about?"

16:07:54 pete_dushenski: "my god he's boring"

16:08:12 hanbot: jurov:hanbot should log in once more and join BTC-TC auction << the what now?

16:10:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99800 @ 0.00025061 = 25.0109 BTC [+] {2}

16:10:26 pete_dushenski: !s auction

16:10:27 assbot: 358 results for 'auction' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=auction

16:11:01 pete_dushenski: hm try this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=990106.0

16:11:02 assbot: BTCT.CO (BTC Trading Corp) Server with Code (also ran litecoinglobal.com) ... ( http://bit.ly/1FhImf7 )

16:11:42 pete_dushenski: ^"very successful exchange" for sale

16:11:47 jurov: yes, make an april joke mpex is interested

16:11:52 pete_dushenski: yours for the low low price of $100k

16:12:00 pete_dushenski: heh

16:12:29 jurov: pete_dushenski: i'm not sure what you request? that i should keep the shares in custody?

16:13:26 pete_dushenski: 'custody' = 'holding'

16:13:29 pete_dushenski: so yes, please

16:14:34 pete_dushenski: unless you mean sometime other than 'transfer to pete_d's coinbr account' when you say 'custody'

16:14:47 pete_dushenski: something*

16:15:22 pete_dushenski: shloop : http://www.contravex.com/2015/04/01/the-internet-is-a-playground/

16:15:23 assbot: The Internet is a playground. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1FhIZW8 )

16:15:47 jurov: i undersand what you mean, but it's ambiguous

16:16:12 jurov: cuz the srares alread y are on coinbr, just not yet claimed

16:16:26 ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: the 25' steel twirly slide i once clambered upon the outside of as a child has been replaced by a 5' doofy plastic thing

16:16:59 ben_vulpes: also didn't the log thing happen last year as well?

16:18:18 trinque: pete_dushenski: yer thing's up on deedbot.org as of the last block

16:19:18 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=1-04-2014#596446 << 'twas a scrambling last year

16:19:18 assbot: Logged on 01-04-2014 02:27:44; mike_c: omg. the log is remapping pathways in my brain. it's making me dyslexic.

16:19:33 ben_vulpes: oh funny - assbot gets the right handle

16:19:35 pete_dushenski: jurov: well i'm glad you understand :)

16:20:00 pete_dushenski: trinque: first deedbot deed for pd in the record books!

16:20:08 mike_c: ben_vulpes: yes, he is committed.

16:20:21 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: same... the tallest structure is now maybe half what it was 20 years ago

16:20:57 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: last year's log hurt my head something fierce!

16:21:46 pete_dushenski: i genuinely thought that everyone in here was scrambling their words in some kind of pattern, eg 5-3-4-1-2 but i couldn't crack the code

16:22:28 jurov: lolwut

16:22:55 hanbot: "I am barred by the SEC settlement from doing anything securities related for two years anyway." oh help me rhonda

16:26:36 pete_dushenski: "GoDaddy shares opened at $26.15, 31% above its initial public offering price." << wait, why the fuck are they going public in the first place ?

16:27:45 mike_c: same reason as everyone else?

16:28:02 pete_dushenski: ya, kinda rhetorical i guess

16:28:03 mike_c: they got bought out by PE that wants its money.

16:28:40 pete_dushenski: speaking of pe, the ontario teacher's pension fund continues to kill it

16:29:13 pete_dushenski: they saw 22% growth in the pe holdings in 2014

16:29:41 pete_dushenski: ya never know, mebbe those teachers won't starve

16:32:34 pete_dushenski: !up bitstein

16:32:50 pete_dushenski: howdy bitstein

16:33:19 bitstein: hey hey hey

16:33:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40600 @ 0.00025091 = 10.1869 BTC [+] {2}

16:34:25 pete_dushenski: so about that post-twitter life...

16:34:38 bitstein: feelsgoodman.jpg

16:35:37 danielpbarron: i'm honestly surprised my account isn't suspended yet

16:36:05 danielpbarron: i've been blocked by so many sews

16:36:53 pete_dushenski: plugging your ears and hoping that the bad words don't leak in must be a terrible way to live

16:37:11 pete_dushenski: bitstein: so much extra time on your hands eh ?!

16:38:44 pete_dushenski: without that news thirst being quenched (qntra can only do so much) i've found myself blog hopping and reading more dead tree books

16:38:56 pete_dushenski: and... spending more time here

16:39:06 bitstein: pete_dushenski: indeed. suddenly thoughts turn more back to work and play rather than how to amass fake internet points

16:39:24 pete_dushenski: remember klout ?

16:39:35 bitstein: i try not to

16:39:50 pete_dushenski: my goodness that thing pretty much single handedly ruined sm

16:41:45 bitstein: sounds like someone didn't have a very good score

16:42:03 pete_dushenski: i had a score ?

16:44:13 bitstein: The Ministry of Analytics keeps a score on everyone's social media success: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xNnRBksvOU

16:44:14 assbot: Brazil (Terry Gilliam, 1985) - Ministry of Information - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ajeSTW )

16:46:17 trinque: I love that movie.

16:46:17 pete_dushenski: man they can hustle!

16:47:20 *: pete_dushenski adds it to his list

16:47:43 bitstein: trinque: Robert de Niro's my favorite in it

16:50:01 jurov: !mpif

16:50:02 assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021357 B (Total: 467.04 B). Delta: -0.09 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000207 BTC [+]

16:50:11 jurov: !t m f.mpif

16:50:11 assbot: Ah, your hair. Your hair is soft. It's like a girl's. Now how do you get it that way?

16:50:23 nubbins`: heh

16:50:56 jurov: looks like it wasn't traded at all

16:51:04 jurov: las 30d

16:54:21 pete_dushenski: bitstein: speaking of de niro, i just watched mean streets the other night

16:54:50 pete_dushenski: come to think of it, mebbe i should do an article on mean streets

16:54:50 bitstein: how was that?

16:55:29 pete_dushenski: de niro was killer. he was the cock of the walk, a smooth customer

16:56:13 pete_dushenski: the film definitely had some moments that are hard to imagine happening today

16:56:56 pete_dushenski: ok ima write this up

16:57:22 bitstein: I put it on my list.

17:02:50 nubbins`: *cough*

17:02:52 nubbins`: !s ima write this up

17:02:53 assbot: 5 results for 'ima write this up' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ima+write+this+up

17:53:51 ben_vulpes: http://com.goog

17:53:51 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1COcnUg )

17:53:56 ben_vulpes: http://com.google

17:53:57 assbot: elgooG ... ( http://bit.ly/1COcuis )

17:55:17 nubbins`: heh

17:58:53 ben_vulpes: holy heck a whole half btc of donations this month

17:59:32 ben_vulpes: thanks again for the accounting, jurov

18:03:02 mats: nao you can finally retire in luxury

18:03:29 ben_vulpes: in somalia

18:03:41 jurov: deedbot- http://explo.yt/public/fmpif_201503.txt.asc

18:03:42 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1COhB28 )

18:04:11 trinque: jurov: pls to be sticking on dpaste

18:04:13 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

18:04:32 trinque: also up the thing; I will let people know when things have changed

18:04:34 *: ascii_field still doesn't have a buildable bitcoind-0.5.3.1

18:04:38 trinque: for now, real life duty calls

18:05:01 jurov: it will always be limited to dpaste?

18:05:23 ascii_field: not even my old patch fixes it any more.

18:06:02 ascii_field: results in 'error: reference to ‘int64_t’ is ambiguous' and many litres of consequent barf

18:06:09 ben_vulpes: ascii_field: pogo or...?

18:06:12 ascii_field: amd64

18:06:18 ascii_field: standard auto.sh build

18:06:38 ben_vulpes: bwat.

18:06:47 ben_vulpes: virgin foundation tarball?

18:07:11 ascii_field: this is -after- i apply my http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150128/asciilifeform-porta-tronic_67d6162e1cc78b3a6aca584e2123e59fdee189f6.patch << the second half, you folks did merge the first

18:07:12 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1COjCvm )

18:07:21 ascii_field: without it - the barf quoted last night.

18:07:42 trinque: jurov: nope, just until the next time I have a spare evening

18:09:05 ascii_field: nm - the c++03 thing wasn't pre-merged either

18:09:16 ascii_field: at any rate, my patch no longer fixes the build on my boxes.

18:09:32 nubbins`: yeah, the -l z line was removed

18:09:43 nubbins`: nothing else from your portatronic patch is in 0.5.3.1

18:09:52 ascii_field: it doesn't work with or without.

18:10:12 nubbins`: stock 0.5.3.1 works?

18:10:17 nubbins`: wait

18:10:20 scoopbot: New post on serialized delusions by JuroV: http://explo.yt/post/2015/04/01/F.MPIF-March-2015-trading-statement

18:11:10 nubbins`: ascii_field you're saying 0.5.3.1-RELEASE won't compile /and/ it won't compile after you merge your portatronic patch?

18:11:15 ascii_field: aha.

18:11:18 ascii_field: different barfs

18:11:40 nubbins`: ah!

18:11:52 nubbins`: you have compiled stock 0.5.3 tho?

18:12:00 ascii_field: 'util.h:650:8: error: ‘uint32_t’ does not name a type' without patch

18:12:02 ascii_field: with - see above.

18:12:25 ascii_field: stock - yes.

18:12:28 nubbins`: ok

18:12:50 ascii_field: the new static build won't crank even with my patch.

18:12:52 nubbins`: out of all the patches included in 0.5.3.1, only one of them actually adds code. all the rest just snip.

18:13:29 nubbins`: might be worth reverifying the couple that you didn't write, maybe even the manifest trim thing

18:13:38 ascii_field: as far as i can tell, the behaviour of gcc is somehow minutely different

18:13:44 ascii_field: because of changes in the build system

18:13:45 nubbins`: what ver of gcc?

18:13:56 ascii_field: 4.8.3 on this box

18:14:07 ascii_field: 4.9.2 on other

18:14:09 ascii_field: same results

18:14:12 nubbins`: ah

18:14:26 nubbins`: i compiled 0.5.3.1 on darwin w/ 4.9.2

18:16:48 ascii_field: i believe it

18:17:41 nubbins`: are you getting that error in the actual bitcoind compile, or one of the deps?

18:17:47 ascii_field: bitcoind

18:17:50 ascii_field: deps build fine.

18:18:48 nubbins`: ok, a couple sources suggest instead of using <stdint.h> using boost/cstdint.hpp

18:19:18 nubbins`: seems to be as many different solutions as there are people asking the problem, which is never a good sign

18:20:21 ascii_field: nubbins`: verified just now that it does not fix.

18:20:37 nubbins`: there was another lib suggested, where is it

18:23:05 nubbins`: try <cstdint>

18:23:54 ascii_field: error This file requires compiler and library support for the ISO C++ 2011 standard. This support is currently experimental, and must be enabled with the -std=c++11 or -std=gnu++11 compiler options.

18:24:11 nubbins`: er yeah, there's that too :S

18:24:13 ascii_field: ^ and i refuse to do this.

18:24:18 ascii_field: because I SHOULD NOT HAVE TO

18:25:11 nubbins`: might be worth finding out if/where uint32_t actually is hiding on your system

18:25:19 ascii_field: this should not matter!

18:25:26 nubbins`: hey, agreed

18:25:38 ascii_field: and it lives in stdint

18:25:43 ascii_field: like on everyone else's box

18:26:16 nubbins`: are you using your auto.sh or the 0.5.3.1-RELEASE one?

18:26:21 ascii_field: release

18:26:25 ascii_field: i was trying to build the release.

18:26:28 nubbins`: nod

18:27:38 ascii_field: including stdint.h (as per my patch) in util.h gives

18:28:01 ascii_field: bitcoinrpc.cpp:1761:49: error: reference to ‘int64_t’ is ambiguous

18:28:02 ascii_field: result.push_back(Pair("coinbasevalue", (int64_t)pblock->vtx[0].vout[0].nValue));

18:28:02 ascii_field: ^

18:28:02 ascii_field: In file included from /usr/include/stdlib.h:314:0,

18:28:02 ascii_field: from /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.8.3/include/g++-v4/cstdlib:72,

18:28:04 ascii_field: from /home/stas/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/ourlibs/include/boost/config/platform/linux.hpp:15,

18:28:07 ascii_field: from /home/stas/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/ourlibs/include/boost/config.hpp:53,

18:28:09 ascii_field: from /home/stas/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/ourlibs/include/boost/foreach.hpp:30,

18:28:10 ascii_field: from headers.h:7,

18:28:13 ascii_field: from bitcoinrpc.cpp:6:

18:28:14 ascii_field: __intN_t (64, __DI__); [... snipped many pages of crud ... ]

18:28:23 nubbins`: ah, it's /ambiguous/. that's different

18:28:30 ascii_field: this is AFTER my patch

18:28:38 nubbins`: o

18:28:49 ascii_field: before - see earlier.

18:29:07 nubbins`: k i gotcha

18:30:43 nubbins`: is boost/cstdint.hpp or <cstdint> included in bitcoinrpc.cpp, by any chance?

18:31:18 ascii_field: nope

18:31:30 nubbins`: :S

18:31:30 ascii_field: nubbins` has a copy too, can read it, no ?

18:31:39 nubbins`: oh you!

18:31:55 nubbins`: plz to uname -a

18:33:15 ascii_field: gentoo as always

18:33:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66964 @ 0.00025101 = 16.8086 BTC [+]

18:33:25 ascii_field: x86_64

18:34:07 nubbins`: once this buildroot compile finishes i'll give it a try on my gentoo vm

18:34:31 nubbins`: !up ascii_field

18:38:24 nubbins`: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=975256.msg10955275#msg10955275

18:38:25 assbot: Casascius 0.5 BTC Silver Series-2 physical bitcoin: NO RESERVE, 30-DAY AUCTION ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fi8h6y )

18:38:59 nubbins`: ^ for those who wish to see goods traded without regard for fiat cost

18:41:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79100 @ 0.00025101 = 19.8549 BTC [+]

18:49:23 mats: http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/when-will-the-ecb-start-to-taper/

18:49:28 assbot: When Will The ECB Start To Taper? | A Fistful Of Euros ... ( http://bit.ly/1G5jJp0 )

18:51:14 BingoBoingo: http://gitweb.dragonflybsd.org/dragonfly.git/commit/3c1984199065628a4c54b8c89f815f9edfa55c8f

18:51:17 assbot: gitweb.dragonflybsd.org Git - dragonfly.git/commit ... ( http://bit.ly/1G5jMRA )

18:52:10 ascii_field: fact is, that thing - as written - should build on NO ONE's machine - given as util.h is using a type that is not defined therein, nor anywhere else! (stdint.h is not included in -any- of the files)

19:00:19 nubbins`: huh.

19:00:48 ascii_field: uint32_t is not defined by anything in or linked from the bitcoind sources.

19:01:12 ascii_field: if your gcc sees it, it is apparently because it does non-standard things behind your back

19:01:12 *: nubbins` envisions a .foundation standardized build environment in the near future

19:01:32 ben_vulpes: waaa

19:01:38 ascii_field: ben_vulpes: yes.

19:01:47 ben_vulpes: DUDE.

19:01:59 ascii_field: ben_vulpes: don't take my word for it

19:02:00 ascii_field: try it.

19:02:14 ben_vulpes: i built the damn thing before we shipped that tarball.

19:02:21 ascii_field: ben_vulpes: on what ?

19:02:31 ben_vulpes: debian 6 vm.

19:02:39 ascii_field: which gcc ?

19:02:45 ben_vulpes: that i do not recall offhand

19:02:48 ben_vulpes: hold plz

19:03:48 nubbins`: fwiw i installed fresh 4.9.2 via homebrew right before i compiled bitcoind on darwin64

19:04:49 danielpbarron: i have not been able to build the latest release either / same problem ascii has described

19:04:49 ben_vulpes: ascii_field: gcc (Debian 4.4.5-8) 4.4.5

19:05:16 ben_vulpes: mind you my whole env is structured around reproducing what would have been in the wild ca. the 0.5.3 release

19:05:24 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

19:06:16 nubbins`: 4.4.5, that's older by a few minor revs

19:06:31 ben_vulpes: myup.

19:06:35 nubbins`: was that current cca. 0.5.3?

19:06:51 ben_vulpes: that's from a debian that was current ca 0.5.3...

19:06:59 nubbins`: ah

19:07:18 ben_vulpes: probably ran apt-get update and apt-get upgrade as well, 'cause i dun know any better

19:07:26 ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: plz to report build failures!

19:08:25 ben_vulpes: ascii_field, nubbins`: debian 6.0.10

19:13:58 nubbins`: !up McNumpty

19:14:42 nubbins`: Chillum you hear of this "rosin" stuff all the west coast hippies are on about?

19:15:13 ben_vulpes: nubbins`: isn't that the stuff with which you enfrictionalize your bow?

19:15:26 nubbins`: yes. also makes solder flow nicely.

19:15:35 nubbins`: generalized, rosin is produced from resin

19:15:45 ascii_field: also found in traditional sealing wax, iirc.

19:15:50 nubbins`: i'm asking Chillum about a specific regional variation thereof

19:15:55 ascii_field: at least in the recipe i was taught

19:15:57 ben_vulpes: DRUGS

19:16:02 thestringpuller: DRUGS!!!!!!

19:16:07 ben_vulpes: terrist.

19:16:23 nubbins`: ascii_field +1

19:16:44 nubbins`: anyway hippies have now discovered that if you take a hair straightening iron and crush marijuana buds with it

19:16:50 nubbins`: rosin squirts out

19:17:19 ascii_field: why specifically that heat source ?

19:17:28 nubbins`: $12 at local drug store

19:17:32 nubbins`: it's their pogo

19:17:40 ascii_field: what's next, smoking out of the desoldering iron sold at ratshack ?

19:17:45 nubbins`: the serious types upgrade to a large t-shirt heat press

19:17:45 ascii_field: the one with the rubber squeeze bulb

19:17:51 nubbins`: ha

19:18:07 nubbins`: ascii's face when low-end "vaporizers" are essentially this

19:18:42 ascii_field: i thought 'low end vaporizer' was a glass bottle and a candle

19:18:57 nubbins`: lightbulb and a butane torch!

19:19:05 *: ascii_field not expert

19:19:28 *: nubbins` had portable vaporizer, fit in hand, ~size of "family" walkie talkies

19:19:45 ascii_field: nubbins`: how does it work ?

19:20:22 nubbins`: rechargeable Li battery powering a heat coil around a barrel-shaped oven chamber

19:20:40 nubbins`: 8-seg display and target temp controls

19:21:02 nubbins`: you pack chamber w/ grass, close lid, let unit heat up, inhale thru straw

19:21:12 ascii_field: high-tech!

19:21:52 nubbins`: it really is

19:22:02 nubbins`: you could cook chicken nuggets in it

19:22:04 nubbins`: http://i.imgur.com/QRfRr5a.jpg

19:22:05 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1CxOZch )

19:22:19 ascii_field: but how do you know how much dose you end up with ?

19:22:30 ben_vulpes: and this is why i don't vape.

19:22:30 ascii_field: i.e. is there a volumetric gauge ?

19:22:39 ben_vulpes: titration story is woefully inadequate.

19:23:15 mats: buncha druggies

19:23:17 nubbins`: ascii_field a discerning user would weigh a dose on a scale, say 0.1-0.2g

19:23:33 ascii_field: nubbins`: but wouldn't the concentration in the leaf itself vary /

19:23:34 ascii_field: ?

19:23:48 nubbins`: the unit works best when packed fully but not tightly, which is generally around this weight

19:24:03 nubbins`: ascii_field from strain to strain, yes

19:24:20 mats: p hard to evaluate dosage without getting lab quality wax

19:25:08 Chillum: nubbins`: I don't like the various solid extracts being made these days

19:25:09 nubbins`: ascii_field "med shops" and "compassion clubs" will offer dozens of strains, each with different percentages of the various cannabinoids

19:25:41 ascii_field: wtf is a 'compassion club'

19:25:48 ben_vulpes: what's the difference between acuitas and acuitatis?

19:25:54 nubbins`: stores that sell dope to people who say they're sick

19:26:17 nubbins`: generally openly and in areas where not explicitly legal to do so

19:26:31 ben_vulpes: ascii_field: generally a single control intake is enough to calibrate against a given 'purchase'

19:26:40 nubbins`: Chillum probably has hundreds of such places within a few hours' drive

19:27:23 danielpbarron: lol thc dosage can vary with little consequence

19:27:41 Chillum: nubbins`: 2 blocks, another in 4 blocks

19:27:49 nubbins`: ascii_field ^

19:28:18 Chillum: I think about 6 in the city

19:30:30 ascii_field: the uint32_t thing is infuriatingly retarded

19:30:36 ascii_field: i mean, wtf

19:30:56 lobbes: <danielpbarron> lol thc dosage can vary with little consequence < exactly this.

19:31:06 lobbes: ascii_field: I feel like I'm thanking you every week for some reading material, but thanks for the orlov introduction. It is becoming my latest addiction

19:31:30 ascii_field: http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2012/02/09#l1328812405 << the schmucks having same problem

19:31:31 assbot: BitcoinStats ... ( http://bit.ly/1xzLh2H )

19:32:08 ascii_field: lobbes: generally, the earliest orlov is the best

19:34:17 nubbins`: <+lobbes> <danielpbarron> lol thc dosage can vary with little consequence < exactly this. <<< oh, agreed, i find the ratio of thc to other cbds makes way more of a difference

19:34:48 nubbins`: ascii_field there's also a very wide comfortable dose range

19:36:38 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

19:37:55 BingoBoingo: !up chmod755_

19:56:35 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1082145 << "usg employee agrees to testify in court that the usg owns an amount of bitcoin that the usg wishes to be known it owns."

19:56:35 assbot: Logged on 01-04-2015 12:16:22; assbot: In a plea bargain, former DEA agent agrees to return 665,950 BTC stolen from MtGOX in 2013 : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1DtcXr1 )

19:56:52 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: 4/1

19:56:57 mircea_popescu: hey, at least after calling out their usms scam, they're now forced to put dea agents "in prison" to try and certify ownership over imaginary stakes of btc.

19:57:14 mircea_popescu: still doesn't do as much as deedbot'd do.

19:58:03 mircea_popescu: ascii_field yeah, only fo real.

19:58:44 ascii_field: i'll believe if it remains 'real' tomorrow.

19:58:48 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1082152 << i dun follow this logic ?

19:58:48 assbot: Logged on 01-04-2015 12:32:18; nubbins`: protip: if you use a single-cup coffee maker, you might as well get rid of all the garbage cans in your house and just start throwing trash out your windows

19:59:07 nubbins`: mountains of plastic

19:59:31 mircea_popescu: do you mean one of those $20 a pop coffee makers with about half liter of carafe ?

19:59:34 nubbins`: if you cared anything about, say, not making these: you wouldn't use a keurig in the first place

19:59:45 nubbins`: the pod ones

20:00:35 lobbes: I never understood those, either. Even if you want one cup of coffee.. just use one cup of water

20:00:49 mircea_popescu: o that stuff. i don't know anyone that uses it o.O

20:00:59 mircea_popescu: i guess i don't date widely enough in the aging hipster crowd.

20:01:17 ascii_field: they are used by folks too lazy to wash machine or measure, grind the beans

20:01:24 nubbins`: yeah, i obv don't carry the numbers in long-term storage, but they're incredibly pervasive and just as wasteful

20:01:29 ascii_field: the machine sorta does for coffee what the brass shell did for the rifle

20:01:33 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> do you mean one of those $20 a pop coffee makers with about half liter of carafe ? << In usia measuring the coffee grounds to use one of those became "Too Hard"(TM) hence now people buy grounds in pre measured plastic cartridges

20:01:54 nubbins`: then the idea of a user-refillable pod came about

20:01:56 mircea_popescu: dude who cares, just fill the filter.

20:02:01 BingoBoingo: ^

20:02:04 nubbins`: now the new coffee machines have DRM

20:02:05 nubbins`: :0

20:02:11 mircea_popescu: lmao

20:02:16 nubbins`: srs

20:02:17 BingoBoingo: They are too lazy, this is what Bush and Obama did

20:02:19 mircea_popescu: what "rights" ?

20:02:35 nubbins`: the right to only pour hot water through authorized plastic widgets

20:02:43 mircea_popescu: ...

20:02:46 nubbins`: right?

20:03:03 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: nubbins` is not making this up. i have seen this machine.

20:03:03 nubbins`: mircea_popescu i seriously do not know why anyone thinks one of these machines is easier or tastier than a simple pour-over

20:03:15 ascii_field: nubbins`: easier because don't have to wash.

20:03:20 mircea_popescu: there's just no way any government can be organised to deliver the sort of humiliating, depersonalising, invasive experience the us folk have come to expect.

20:03:31 mircea_popescu: the only way for them to get what they want is private initiative.

20:03:34 mircea_popescu: of like, the mongols.

20:03:44 nubbins`: ;;google filthy keurig water tank

20:03:45 gribble: snopes.com: Keurigs Harbor Mold, Bacteria, and Algae: http://www.snopes.com/medical/toxins/keurig.asp; How to Clean (Eliminate Mold in Water Reservoir) and Care for a ...: http://artvandelay66.hubpages.com/hub/CleanAndCareForAKeurig; How to Clean Your Keurig - A Few Short Cuts: http://afewshortcuts.com/2013/01/when-your-keurig-doest-make-a-full-cup-how-to-clean-your-keurig/

20:03:51 nubbins`: "don't have to wash" 8)

20:04:09 mircea_popescu: i think if isis took over say pennsylvania, and forced all sorts of bizarro stuff upon the citizenry, there'd finally be a huge sigh of satisfied submission.

20:04:17 nubbins`: lel snopes!

20:04:23 mircea_popescu: this nickle and dime "we'll poke at your asshole a little if you go to an airport" thing isn't cutting it.

20:05:05 nubbins`: one result of the plastification of the world is that everything's shaped to harbour mold now

20:05:44 mircea_popescu: mold is your friend.

20:06:10 mircea_popescu: (also, it's not just the shape. plastics are pretty much ideal substrate for microorganisms)

20:06:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66100 @ 0.00025101 = 16.5918 BTC [+]

20:07:06 BingoBoingo: !up

20:07:10 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

20:07:14 nubbins`: yeah.

20:07:39 ascii_field: ben_vulpes et al: so i fix the idiot integer bugs (despite which this apparently built on various folks' machines) - and now http://dpaste.com/3NA25E9.txt

20:07:40 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1G5pZgn )

20:08:06 nubbins`: wow, a guy just sent me a photograph of a pgp-signed custody document, with a piece of paper over his personal info, saying "this should be enough, preferably you don't need to know the other 19 coin addresses"

20:08:07 nubbins`: :0

20:08:49 mircea_popescu: re " warning: Using 'getaddrinfo' in statically linked applications requires at runtime the shared libraries from the glibc version used for linking" ascii_field wtf is that shit !?

20:09:09 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the result of attempting to build the latest static 0.5.3 on my boxes.

20:09:23 mircea_popescu: do i misunderstand what statically linked means ?

20:09:26 mircea_popescu: nubbins` enough fore what ?

20:09:53 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: after fixing a number of typedef bugs which, going BY THE FUCKING BOOK OF CPP ought to prevent the thing from building ANYWHERE

20:09:55 nubbins`: enough for me to verify that there exists a piece of paper with a bunch of pgp shit on it that i can't do anything with

20:10:05 mircea_popescu: ascii_field so wtf is this ?!

20:10:24 nubbins`: "this heavily redacted version of a pgp-signed document should be enough"

20:10:47 mircea_popescu: nubbins` no i get that part, but why is some derp proving stuff to you and what sutff ? you running kyc nao ?

20:10:59 nubbins`: naw i wanna buy a casascius coin from him

20:11:02 mircea_popescu: oh oh

20:11:05 nubbins`: and i want him to prove he's the first owner

20:11:15 mircea_popescu: yeah toitally. should be enough o.O

20:11:19 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: to make long story short, therealbitcoin's release does not build on any of my boxes.

20:11:40 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: after discovering and eliminating several of the reasons for this, i discover a new one.

20:11:54 mircea_popescu: that's one thing. the other thing is, what the fuck do you mean "x in statically linked application requires material from gcc used at the time"

20:12:11 mircea_popescu: this is the exact opposite of what statically linekd means.

20:12:29 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: as you probably suspected, static linking as such is broken on extant systems.

20:12:40 ascii_field: no one has used it for much of anything long enough, apparently.

20:12:41 mircea_popescu: well this'd be a fucking problem.

20:12:44 ascii_field: allowed to 'rust'.

20:13:04 mircea_popescu: because now we don't know if it opesn't build because of it or because of you

20:13:10 mircea_popescu: and for crying out loud.

20:13:30 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: my tests consisted of two gentoo boxes, one 'old and grey', the other built in october.

20:13:45 mircea_popescu: and the failed static linking happens on both ?

20:13:48 ascii_field: aha

20:13:54 ascii_field: ditto the integer errors

20:14:16 ascii_field: (which result from my gcc NOT going behind my back and inserting stdint exactly where wanted, the way everyone else's apparently does)

20:14:21 mircea_popescu: is there some obscuritas in tenebrae switch or something needed on gcc when REALLY statically linking ?

20:15:18 thestringpuller: dr. ascii_field do you hate python?

20:15:31 ascii_field: has any of you lot checked to see that the executable resulting from this build ACTUALL contains the openssl built by auto.sh ?

20:15:34 ascii_field: and not the systemwide one

20:15:53 ascii_field: thestringpuller: i only ever use it as a less-carcinogenic substitute for perl

20:15:54 mircea_popescu: the cancer is so advanced x.x

20:16:27 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1082256 << yeah, but implemented in wetware.

20:16:27 assbot: Logged on 01-04-2015 16:06:30; nubbins`: i thought he was a robot that just spouted words about business

20:17:15 mircea_popescu: ascii_field for that matter, you know, why the systemwide one ? the correct one! downloaded from nist.will.pwn.your.box.edu

20:17:16 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: see, my boxes are set up to do precisely what i explicitly ask'em to do

20:17:40 ascii_field: and not 'helpful' crap behind me back

20:17:42 mircea_popescu: ascii_field listen, would you consider putting up reference compositions ?

20:17:50 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: compositions ?

20:17:54 mircea_popescu: for w/e you use ? sort of like "this is alf's hammer"

20:18:00 ascii_field: as in, disk image with compilators, etc ?

20:18:04 mircea_popescu: yes.

20:18:10 mircea_popescu: or w/e exact form most adequate.

20:18:25 mircea_popescu: the idea is, for someone wanting to copy your environment, to be able to do so with minimal work

20:18:26 ascii_field: i suppose mircea_popescu wants one that runs on qemu or bochs or the like

20:18:30 mircea_popescu: a sh script

20:18:35 ascii_field: iron-independent

20:18:52 mircea_popescu: well, not necessarily.

20:19:01 mircea_popescu: if it comes with a specification of parts that's also workable.

20:19:05 mircea_popescu: as a for instance.

20:19:22 mircea_popescu: the idea is, it seems clear to me that mere package-level specification is dysfunctional./

20:19:33 mircea_popescu: this bs where we write down what we put into make or w/e does clearly not work.

20:20:10 ascii_field: parts that i mention in public have a tendency to become... less obtainable

20:20:13 mircea_popescu: and so what we're essentially doing when confronted with a bad software stack (pick a pogo, fix the os, run it there) is the correct solution not just for THAT one problem

20:20:14 ascii_field: so emulator probably better

20:20:19 mircea_popescu: but for all the problems derived from the same source.

20:20:23 mircea_popescu: and so... universalised.

20:20:27 ascii_field: but everyone will have to make peace with 30x lengthened build times.

20:20:34 ascii_field: and shuttling crud to/from the emu

20:20:39 mircea_popescu: emulators are a bad idea. just keep mentioning parts in public.

20:20:42 ascii_field: like we're nintendo devs

20:21:06 ascii_field: incidentally, perhaps you folks remember that i wanted to do this, in the beginning

20:21:12 mircea_popescu: vaguely.

20:21:26 mircea_popescu: i had no fucking idea, then, of exactly the state of rot in foss.

20:21:31 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-10-2014#888337

20:21:31 assbot: Logged on 22-10-2014 18:16:50; asciilifeform: no, that's braindamaged. qemu image - complete minimal bsd with all components, boots up (emulated) on any arch from any culture.

20:21:38 mircea_popescu: but the more i look at it the scarier it gets.

20:22:05 mircea_popescu: ascii_field an "emulation" is basically "let's run a vps". noty.

20:23:19 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1082256 << maybe you should make forms.

20:23:19 assbot: Logged on 01-04-2015 16:06:30; nubbins`: i thought he was a robot that just spouted words about business

20:23:25 mircea_popescu: oops wrong link.

20:23:33 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1082269 << maybe you should make forms.

20:23:33 assbot: Logged on 01-04-2015 16:12:29; jurov: pete_dushenski: i'm not sure what you request? that i should keep the shares in custody?

20:24:26 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: vps << i said emulation, not virtualization

20:24:36 mircea_popescu: the difference is minute.

20:24:47 ascii_field: emulated machine will run same on 'cray' build in '88 and on 'multivac' in the year 3000.

20:24:56 ascii_field: think nintendo or commodore emulators used today.

20:25:02 ascii_field: the difference is not at all minute

20:25:07 mircea_popescu: "same" for any definition of same that doesn't include, say, someone stealing your data.

20:25:50 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: think for a minute. not suggesting to run battlefield apparatus -on- emulator. but a place to standardize imaginary machine for cross-compilators.

20:25:57 ascii_field: like knuth's 'mix'

20:26:18 mircea_popescu: ascii_field i am actually suggesting people move their day to day computing AWAY from "linux" or from "gentoo" which are MEANINGLESSSSSSSSS

20:26:28 felipelalli: here only to say that http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-03-2015#1063881 worked! I got a fright hell!

20:26:28 assbot: Logged on 22-03-2015 04:00:07; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-03-2015#1063215 <<< note the important takeaway here. nothing keeps people in other places with shit banks from being intelligent, getting in wot, becoming part of the actual bitcoin marketplace. there's people here from all over the world. over time, a low effort / consumer thing like btcjam HAS TO devolve into the typical check advance / spam loan operation.

20:26:30 mircea_popescu: to SPECIFIED stacks of SPECIFIED software made by identified people.

20:26:33 ascii_field: beginning to see where mircea_popescu is going

20:26:36 ascii_field: buildroot for pc...

20:26:48 mircea_popescu: so i run "alf".

20:26:52 ascii_field: essentially, suggesting that we sit down and become 'gentoo'

20:27:21 mircea_popescu: ascii_field exactly. which is why i said, "when confronted with a bad software stack (pick a pogo, fix the os, run it there) is the correct solution not just for THAT one problem but for all the problems derived from the same source."

20:27:30 mircea_popescu: there's nothing magic about usgavin trying to fuck up the bitcoin stack.

20:27:40 mircea_popescu: he's not distinguishable from poettering trying to fuck up the linux userland

20:27:52 mircea_popescu: or from a whole array of equivalent muppets all "doing their part".

20:27:56 mircea_popescu: same problem, same solution.

20:27:57 ascii_field: mircea_popescu is only the 3rd or 4th fella to suggest that i take up maintaining a linux planet

20:28:07 mircea_popescu: not a planet mind you.

20:28:10 mircea_popescu: just a place.

20:28:15 ascii_field: it's a planet.

20:28:23 ascii_field: try to understand how the original gentoo went to seed

20:28:26 mircea_popescu: "you want to be here, you must buy nvidia hf-333 for a video card" is perfectly okay.

20:28:36 mircea_popescu: consider ^

20:28:55 ascii_field: titanic amount of work for one schmuck's spare time.

20:29:03 mircea_popescu: this is incidentally not a bug. it is a feature. it helps us put pressure on hw manufacturers too

20:29:12 mircea_popescu: "we don't want your latest version. we want X. fuck you."

20:29:28 mircea_popescu: this entire "latest version" bullcrap has to go away anyway.

20:29:35 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: thing is, look how the 'freeze it all in amber' thing works on bitcoind.

20:29:56 mircea_popescu: ascii_field shouldn't be any extra work really. just, bundle the software with a description of the hardware.

20:30:05 ascii_field: herculian labour, and it's one piddling proggy

20:30:10 mircea_popescu: don't tell me we lost the "interchangeable parts" to THAT degree.

20:30:14 ascii_field: we did.

20:30:20 mircea_popescu: what the fuck do you mean ?

20:30:35 mircea_popescu: a bitwise copy of your current system on an assemblage of the same hardware wouldn't boot ?

20:31:06 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: if exactly same, then will. this is kinda my notion with 'pogo'.

20:31:19 mircea_popescu: so then.

20:31:46 ascii_field: but the devil lives in the details. i have on my desk, for example, two nominally-identical microcontrollers which behave - differently.

20:31:56 ascii_field: in some errata sheet there may or many not be an explanation.

20:32:09 ascii_field: this also applies to, e.g., pc southbridges

20:32:16 ascii_field: ata controllers;

20:32:21 ascii_field: video boards;

20:32:21 ascii_field: etc.

20:32:28 mircea_popescu: so you'll soon discover "same part number" when we're talking boards means exactly nothing, and we'll be stuck tracing down exact vintage ?

20:32:55 ascii_field: don't take my word for it. ask another schmuck who works with low-level iron.

20:33:23 ascii_field: and the plague is ancient. it is how usg ended up with its attempts to standardize cpu

20:33:34 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=12-03-2015#1049461

20:33:34 assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 01:50:22; asciilifeform: 'mil-std-1750a' for the curious.

20:34:57 mircea_popescu: well, the good news is that serenissima really has no unemployment.

20:35:02 mircea_popescu: we could readily employ thousands.

20:35:15 ascii_field: now, i'm not saying we should all eat our nagants, nothing can be done. one can achieve some measure of stability. but as things fall apart, as they increasingly are, the fuzz at the edges will look like... this.

20:35:22 ascii_field: see earlier thread re: infuriating idiocy

20:35:42 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1082307 << only if you're not stupid. otherwise, works great.

20:35:42 assbot: Logged on 01-04-2015 16:36:53; pete_dushenski: plugging your ears and hoping that the bad words don't leak in must be a terrible way to live

20:36:01 ascii_field: the real solution is iron standard and impalements for violators

20:36:27 ascii_field: a -rational- standard against which -rational- folks won't rebel.

20:36:30 chetty: lmao, vlad?

20:36:41 mircea_popescu: ascii_field there is no such thing as a rational standard.

20:36:49 mircea_popescu: all standards are, by the nature of what a standard is, irrational.

20:36:51 ascii_field: mircea_popescu is technically right

20:37:20 ascii_field: what i actually meant was 'one which is not actively insulting to the intelligence of practitioners'

20:37:29 mircea_popescu: but the only way to have that

20:37:31 mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field

20:37:41 mircea_popescu: is to make it actively insulting to the stupidity of the nonpractitioners.

20:37:48 ascii_field: well yes.

20:37:51 ascii_field: (see also http://www.loper-os.org/?p=305 )

20:37:53 assbot: Loper OS » The Five Types of Technological Standard ... ( http://bit.ly/1CamfCx )

20:37:55 mircea_popescu: and this is a major political decision we are, as far as history knows, the ONLY group willing to make.

20:38:18 BingoBoingo: https://m.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2015/04/01/executive-order-blocking-property-certain-persons-engaging-significant-m << Geting qntra'd up but though I'd drop the original here nao

20:38:20 assbot: Executive Order -- "Blocking the Property of Certain Persons Engaging in Significant Malicious Cyber-Enabled Activities" | The White House ... ( http://bit.ly/1CamuO6 )

20:38:21 mircea_popescu: so willy-nilly we can't practically use the vomit of the others.

20:38:52 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo ima read the qntra. usually better than original.

20:39:23 ascii_field: holy fuck

20:39:34 BingoBoingo: ^ Why linked before qntra finished

20:39:50 mats: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/us-navy-alarmed-at-beijings-great-wall-of-sand-in-south-china-sea/2015/04/01/dda11d76-70d7-4b69-bd87-292bd18f5918_story.html

20:39:51 assbot: U.S. Navy alarmed at Beijing’s ‘Great Wall of sand’ in South China Sea - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1Canq5c )

20:39:54 ascii_field: 'any person determined by the Secretary of the Treasury, in consultation with the Attorney General and the Secretary of State, to be responsible for or complicit in, or to have engaged in, directly or indirectly, cyber-enabled activities originating from, or directed by persons located, in whole or in substantial part, outside the United States that are reasonably likely to result in, or have materially contributed to, a

20:39:54 ascii_field: significant threat to the national security, foreign policy, or economic health or financial stability of the United States...'

20:40:32 BingoBoingo: Lizard fangs have been bared

20:40:55 chetty: they are warming up the wagens

20:40:56 mircea_popescu: welll hopefully you all got your propertah out of the us at any point during the many discussions as to teh effect.

20:41:07 ascii_field: 'I hereby determine that the making of donations of the type of articles specified in section 203(b)(2) of IEEPA (50 U.S.C. 1702(b)(2)) by, to, or for the benefit of any person whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to section 1 of this order would seriously impair my ability to deal with the national emergency declared in this order, and I hereby prohibit such donations as provided by section 1 of

20:41:07 ascii_field: this order.'

20:42:44 nubbins`: lel.

20:42:51 nubbins`: donating to .foundation just got made illegal

20:43:16 mircea_popescu: that's ok, donating to the irs is actually illegal.

20:43:32 nubbins`: phew

20:43:50 mircea_popescu: one's just gotta pick on which side they wish to live ilegally.

20:46:50 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1082407 << for good reason, it's not happening.

20:46:50 assbot: Logged on 01-04-2015 18:24:13; ascii_field: ^ and i refuse to do this.

20:47:23 mircea_popescu: kinda curious what ben_vulpes / mod6 make of this.

20:47:40 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: it built on their boxes, on account of ????? in their gcc.

20:47:52 mircea_popescu: well what is the ????

20:47:52 ascii_field: and ~?????? in mine.

20:47:59 mircea_popescu: maybe it's thompson's drillbit ?

20:48:04 ascii_field: i promise to say when find out.

20:48:56 mircea_popescu: a) i don't think think this would have been caught by pretty much any other outfit on the planet and b) i don't see the proposition we've found a deep seated hole is readily dismissable.

20:49:13 mircea_popescu: for all we know, this is how the universally diddled compiler is discovered.

20:49:18 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i would not waste the gentlemens' time if i did not think this were interesting.

20:49:24 mircea_popescu: it is.

20:49:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23911 @ 0.00025101 = 6.0019 BTC [+]

20:50:03 mircea_popescu: not for being likely, but for it being exactly the way in which that unlikely'd be seen.

20:51:01 ascii_field: re: mein Führer's decree: when i tell folks i have an expiration date in the none too distant future - they laugh.

20:51:03 ascii_field: still laugh ?

20:51:19 mats: "three govt officials can pwn your shit at will on the basis of evidence at least as good as obama's attribution of the sony attack to north korea"

20:51:59 ascii_field: mats: schmuck on the street, if any of them read it, will mutter 'good, they'll hang spammers finally' or the like.

20:52:03 mats: and ya don't even have to be american to participate. democracy.

20:52:55 ascii_field: as i've said perhaps a dozen times, if there isn't an icbm battery between you and the lunatic nato reich - you're fair game to them.

20:54:52 mircea_popescu: mats quite exactly.

20:55:01 mircea_popescu: anyone "owning" in the us is deluding themselves.

20:55:18 mircea_popescu: ascii_field and especially if there is.

20:56:01 ascii_field: if there is and you can demonstrate readiness to use it - as in, 'we catch ONE more blackwater in donbass and new york is glass' - then possibly no

20:56:14 ascii_field: but there is not at present such a king.

20:56:51 mircea_popescu: ascii_field if there was, you'd know it by this sign, that he'd glass new york anyway.

20:57:00 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: long ago.

20:57:14 mircea_popescu: somethinglike thjat.

20:57:41 mircea_popescu: anyway, for the record : the us president does not have the rights it gives itself.

20:58:25 chetty: well dont people generally have the rights they step up and take?

20:58:32 ascii_field: he has the ability.

20:58:39 ascii_field: which is to say, he can push a button and i starve

20:58:47 mircea_popescu: no, rights are exactly not that, which is why the concept even exists.

20:59:00 mircea_popescu: ascii_field he might have the ability. does not have the right.

20:59:49 chetty: but who is going to tell him so?

20:59:55 ascii_field: like every criminal, the officials of usg do precisely as much as they can comfortably get away with.

21:00:21 mircea_popescu: i just told him so.

21:00:31 mircea_popescu: ascii_field obviously.

21:02:23 mircea_popescu: cue obama going for a condolezza rice impersonation. "nobody had any idea what we were doing was illegal."

21:02:39 mircea_popescu: "i just graduated from stanford, i don;t know anything."

21:03:03 ascii_field: word 'illegal' to them only applies to misbehaviour of the cattle

21:03:06 ascii_field: not to farmer.

21:03:16 mircea_popescu: interestingly enough, i take the same view.

21:03:23 ascii_field: farmer by definition cannot commit cattlemisbehaviour

21:03:52 chetty: no its worse, he commits farmer misbehavior

21:03:53 mircea_popescu: i suppose war is inevitable when people agree in principle but not in fact.

21:04:05 mircea_popescu: a cow won't fight another cow, nor a farmer another farmer,

21:04:14 ascii_field: ultima ratio regum (TM) !!

21:04:18 mircea_popescu: but when a cow thinks itself a farmer and thinks the farmer a cow...

21:04:21 mircea_popescu: this has to come to blow

21:04:27 mircea_popescu: s

21:05:18 mircea_popescu: anyway, let's up the stakes a little here.

21:08:05 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

21:10:07 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: you might want to have some other fella, who isn't to hang soon, maintain serenissima-linux.

21:10:47 BingoBoingo: !up nubbins`

21:11:03 mircea_popescu: i like people who will hang soon.

21:11:07 mircea_popescu: lived most of my life as one.

21:11:34 ascii_field: mircea_popescu morituri te salutant !

21:11:49 ascii_field: (TM)

21:12:31 ascii_field: see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=12-03-2015#1049444

21:12:31 assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 01:41:14; asciilifeform: 'Bien Darkmans then, Bouse Mort and Ken The bien Coves bings awast, On Chates to trine by Rome-Coves dine, For his long lib at last.'

21:12:47 trinque: when they declare working on a piece of open source a threat to national security, time to find a shore and start swimming

21:13:15 mircea_popescu: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/1B6PCT7.txt

21:13:15 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1NCca8n )

21:13:22 ascii_field: trinque is posting from the sea ?

21:13:51 mircea_popescu: trinque bitcoin is factually a threat to the usg "national security". it exists to end them.

21:16:11 ascii_field: that 1btc will do us good in 'gitmo'

21:16:21 ascii_field: will have to learn to ecdsa in head.

21:16:27 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1082481 << he has a point. failures are potentially more important than successes.

21:16:27 assbot: Logged on 01-04-2015 19:07:26; ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: plz to report build failures!

21:16:45 mircea_popescu: ascii_field well, eventually 1 btc will be ample fortune for one to live.

21:17:12 trinque: so how about that gossipd

21:17:12 ascii_field: in the martian colony, circa 4000 ad, yes.

21:17:25 mircea_popescu: ascii_field i'm thinking more like 2030s.

21:17:40 ascii_field: trinque: mine's not done. and i don't think the other fella's is, either. but ask him

21:17:42 mircea_popescu: trinque artifexd been working on it. he occasionalyl comes up for air.

21:18:06 trinque: I'm thinking deedbot wants something other than http and dns if it is to survive

21:18:51 mircea_popescu: prolly.

21:18:55 trinque: and you know, me

21:18:57 trinque: :D

21:19:09 mircea_popescu: hey, you ever dumped the history in there ?

21:19:15 ascii_field: the weakest link is the people, not the machines.

21:19:18 ascii_field: sadly

21:19:19 trinque: I have it, but no I have not

21:20:02 *: ascii_field listened (in car) to an infuriatingly zimmermanish interview with jon callas (former pgp, now 'silent circle' garbage)

21:20:20 ascii_field: wanted to throw up

21:20:36 mircea_popescu: old men are usually stupid.

21:20:43 ascii_field: not that old.

21:20:49 ascii_field: and not stupid. knows what he's doing

21:20:58 ascii_field: but i could almost -smell- the mendacity

21:20:59 mircea_popescu: "knows"

21:21:04 mircea_popescu: what exactly does he know ?

21:21:09 ascii_field: seriously synathesia here

21:21:16 ascii_field: *synaesthesia

21:21:33 *: trinque does a double take

21:21:41 mircea_popescu: or to quote, "Goddamn right, that's right. Guys come on: "Oh, the blah blah blah, I know what I'll do: I'll go in and rob everyone blind and go to Argentina cause nobody ever thought of this before.""

21:21:52 trinque: did the president just decree himself able to steal property over any vaguely defined "threat" whatsoever

21:22:04 mircea_popescu: trinque yes. he now has more powers than putin.

21:22:04 ascii_field: trinque: nah, lbj did that

21:22:11 ascii_field: trinque: it's been renewed since

21:22:15 ascii_field: by each succeeding one.

21:22:21 trinque: ascii_field: yes but surely there was at least a veneer of protocol there?

21:22:29 trinque: not yeah, I walk down two halls or whatever

21:22:34 ascii_field: arguably fdr was the first

21:22:34 mircea_popescu: im kinda curious how is jurov going to rationalise away the fact that on the balance of things, the us thug is actually more thuggish than the ru thug.

21:22:35 trinque: and "hey guys, go assfuck X"

21:22:42 ascii_field: what 'protocol' did he follow for the jp internment thing ?

21:22:54 ascii_field: his word - like that of the other great tyrants of his time - was enough.

21:23:12 trinque: yes you're right

21:23:36 trinque: notably though, all pretense of some exempt caste aside from the ruling class is now gone

21:23:38 mircea_popescu: ascii_field oh meanwhile i recall who callas is. the reason i don't like openpgp!

21:24:01 ascii_field: just hearing him talk... was like suffering a case of food poisoning

21:25:40 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1082532 << as is singular and atis is pluran 2nd person

21:25:40 assbot: Logged on 01-04-2015 19:25:48; ben_vulpes: what's the difference between acuitas and acuitatis?

21:25:52 mircea_popescu: o as at amus atis ant

21:26:02 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the us thug is actually more thuggish than the ru thug << ru thug did not come to texas, arm the republic of texas separatists so they can shell dallas, and raise international stink of 'consensus' when the locals defend it

21:26:19 trinque: yesterday I spent a fair amount of time thinking about how the US was already the totalitarian govt of much of the world long before I was born

21:26:28 trinque: and that in developing this capacity it was inevitable that they'd bring it home

21:26:34 trinque: the "regime change" machine

21:26:54 ascii_field: trinque: see pertinent orlol, http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/03/license-to-kill.html

21:26:55 assbot: ClubOrlov: License to Kill ... ( http://bit.ly/1NCdGqT )

21:26:57 mircea_popescu: like ambulas = one walks ambulatis = two walk.

21:29:12 nubbins`: FWIW fresh 0.5.3.1-RELEASE on gentoo, building openssl by itself: Makefile:640: recipe for target 'install_docs' failed

21:29:24 ascii_field: nubbins`: iirc that never worked

21:29:32 ascii_field: nubbins`: tex bug

21:30:15 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: 'further compensation to satisfy at least five times the value of property lost at the time the loss occurred' << their favourite thing is not only to steal lands, houses (who even has these any more) but to freeze bank account and then have fun staying out of the street and the morgue, much less paying attorney

21:30:28 nubbins`: o

21:31:03 mircea_popescu: ascii_field im not saying it's a complete solution. i am saying it is a lot more than nothing.

21:31:16 ascii_field: not saying it means nothing.

21:32:16 ascii_field: just that mr o can push a button, and send me to beg for spare change and 'big mac' on highway.

21:32:22 mircea_popescu: anyway, alligns incentrives correctly. "have you or anyone you know or care about been stolen from by the usg ? come join the people working to take away its shit"

21:32:34 mircea_popescu: if you derp much longer in there, yes.

21:32:37 mircea_popescu: but this is not news.

21:33:41 ascii_field: this also applies to the other schmucks

21:33:45 ascii_field: in usaschwitz

21:33:50 mircea_popescu: certainly.

21:34:05 mircea_popescu: heck, BingoBoingo has some stories about how it applied to him already, give or take.

21:34:19 mircea_popescu: in other news, "It seems obvious to me that global warming is caused by carbon dioxide, and the main source of carbon dioxide is lawnmowers. I have noticed over the years that it gets really cold during the winter, and during that time I rarely hear lawn mowers. But, as soon as I start hearing the occasional lawnmower in the neighborhood, it starts getting warmer. By midsummer when I hear lawnmowers every day, it is al

21:34:19 mircea_popescu: most always hot weather. And, as lawnmower use starts to taper in the fall, it starts getting cooler again."

21:34:26 mircea_popescu: just as good as any "earth science" out there.

21:34:44 mircea_popescu: " Lawnmowers have a nearly immediate effect on the local climate, too. In my area, lawnmowers are rarely used at night, and even 8-hours of lawnmower inactivity can cool the neighborhood by 20-degrees Fahrenheit. The tight correlation between lawnmower use and temperature is so closely related, that the scientific debate on the subject should be closed."

21:35:08 mircea_popescu: "To those that suggest that the Sun has something to do with the weather, I say that is just a superstition. The Sun is far too far away to have any effect on the neighborhood. And besides, the Sun comes up in the winter, but it does not stay warm. But, as soon as people stop using lawnmowers, it gets cold. So, it seems obvious and irrefutable that carbon dioxide causes global warming, and lawnmowers are the main sourc

21:35:08 mircea_popescu: e of carbon dioxide."

21:35:16 ascii_field: ^ gold.

21:37:42 ascii_field: re: earlier thread: i will point out that folks who got on the plane and left usa borders but still earn a living from something on which usg might exert pressure, directly or indirectly, are still inmates of usaschwitz.

21:38:30 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

21:38:33 ascii_field: this also includes folks who have nothing to do with usa but live in a nato muppet state

21:38:40 ascii_field: e.g., nubbins` in ca

21:41:50 ascii_field: !up nubbins`

21:41:54 ascii_field: l0l

21:42:14 asciilifeform: !up nubbins`

21:42:51 ascii_field: so it isn't simply a matter of physically getting out - any idiot with 1k-usd or so can do that. but you also have to completely divorce the 'legit global economy'

21:43:21 nubbins`: underground economy bru

21:43:35 thestringpuller: for all those drug dealing just to get by

21:43:36 nubbins`: all of a sudden the freewheelin hitchhikin hippies aren't so stupid :0

21:43:40 thestringpuller: stack your money until it get sky high

21:44:01 thestringpuller: ascii_field: this is why we have organized crime.

21:44:09 ascii_field: nubbins`: when the canadian affiliate of usg decides that nubbins` is a t3rr0r1st!!!1111!!1 and supplying mains current to his home is an atrocity which must end, 'underground economy' will do so in its place ?

21:44:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 320800 @ 0.0002554 = 81.9323 BTC [+] {6}

21:44:35 thestringpuller: buy a new identity?

21:44:41 thestringpuller: beome nubbins` #2

21:44:51 nubbins`: ;;rated othernubs

21:44:51 gribble: You have not yet rated user othernubs

21:44:54 nubbins`: wat!

21:45:01 nubbins`: ;;rated othernubs`

21:45:02 gribble: You rated user othernubs` on Mon Oct 20 13:34:32 2014, with a rating of 10, and supplied these additional notes: not a bad guy.

21:45:14 thestringpuller: ^- see ascii_field easy peasy

21:46:34 trinque: rational folks may be comtemplating the implications of the decree they just read

21:46:39 trinque: dunno that I'm rational, but I'm contemplating it

21:49:07 ascii_field: trinque: the implications are unsurprising. merely a friendly reminder from usg that anyone in range is fair game to it to rape with a telephone pole, and that - unless you're mircea_popescu, putin, or one of a hundred other folks who can say 'no' and make it stick, all you can do is to wait your turn.

21:56:20 ascii_field: for those who still don't get it - it costs more to -actually- remove someone from usg planet, than it does to lift them into orbit.

21:56:27 ascii_field: cost in terms of actual, vs. paper, wealth.

21:56:54 ascii_field: and yes mircea_popescu wrote about pulling pretty gurlz into orbit. this is easier, gurlz weigh less.

21:57:14 ascii_field: and they make good petz

22:01:36 funkenstein_: i still don't get it

22:01:49 ascii_field: funkenstein_: you will.

22:02:14 funkenstein_: i hope so

22:02:38 funkenstein_: cause sometimes it sounds like you guys believe there is a real usg

22:02:38 ascii_field: i mean, the whole lot of us schmucks who are stuck here

22:02:40 ascii_field: will 'get it'

22:03:03 funkenstein_: we're all stuck here

22:03:10 ascii_field: funkenstein_: other than mircea_popescu

22:03:16 trinque: due to what, my half-working rubber stamp apparatus?

22:03:16 funkenstein_: ok :)

22:03:28 ascii_field: trinque: it works great when it's your time.

22:03:35 trinque: lol

22:03:45 ascii_field: go tell herr ulbricht that it doesn't.

22:06:04 ascii_field: and srsly, this is just the -famous- people

22:06:15 ascii_field: the schmucks get the joe stack treatment

22:06:17 funkenstein_: that bit about the father getting jumped by 45 guys with usg hats totally ruined my april 1 thanks a lot guys

22:06:28 ascii_field: and we only know of stack because he had a creative way to blow his stack, so to speak.

22:07:13 ascii_field: the list of the folks dekulakized, libelled, injured, killed by usg thugs - is bookcase-length.

22:07:18 ascii_field: if it were ever put on paper

22:07:23 funkenstein_: thanks for sharing anyways, warnings are good

22:09:04 funkenstein_: !up ascii_field

22:10:06 ascii_field: and on top of this all, bitcoind release doesn't staticbuild.

22:10:18 ascii_field: (see earlier, substantive thread, before the obamitler thing)

22:10:20 nubbins`: <+ascii_field> nubbins`: when the canadian affiliate of usg decides that nubbins` is a t3rr0r1st!!!1111!!1 and supplying mains current to his home is an atrocity which must end, 'underground economy' will do so in its place ? <<< understand that "underground economy" means you have neither a mortgage nor a lease in your own name

22:10:47 ascii_field: nubbins`: and what, no one does ?

22:11:02 trinque: nubbins` operates from a crypto-knapsack

22:11:02 ascii_field: who to mooch off ?

22:11:12 trinque: nubbins`: want to host deedbot- from that thing?

22:11:21 nubbins`: ? i can name a hundred people, right now, who live in this fashion

22:12:05 ascii_field: nubbins`: i can name, if i want, a hundred people who live in dumpsters.

22:12:31 nubbins`: o.O

22:12:54 nubbins`: you do not know a hundred people who live in dumpsters.

22:13:06 ascii_field: understand, subjects of usg always have the choice of moving into a private, independent ambulatory jail

22:13:14 ascii_field: saves usg cost, yes. it is encouraged.

22:13:21 asciilifeform: !up nubbins`

22:13:52 ascii_field: nubbins`: understand, i do not know them personally. though i used to keep the company of some people who -ate- from dumpsters

22:14:00 nubbins`: right.

22:14:49 nubbins`: anyway, whether or not one can survive comfortably off the radar is more a function of the route their life has taken thus far. it's not in the cards for everyone.

22:15:34 ascii_field: to follow this logic to the end, it is much better to be a rat than a man

22:15:49 ascii_field: because rat is as pleased with dumpster as a man would be with sultan of brunei's palaces

22:15:51 nubbins`: only if you're happy with living as a rat.

22:16:21 ascii_field: rat does not need elektron microscope or 6-axis milling machine, yes

22:16:24 ascii_field: so he is quite happy.

22:16:38 nubbins`: and that's where your path has taken you

22:16:49 funkenstein_: nor does he have to drone on endlessly on the tragedies of the human condition

22:17:03 ascii_field: funkenstein_: to be fair, rat might whine if he could speak

22:17:10 ascii_field: we just don't know precisely about what.

22:17:18 nubbins`: understand that your desire to own a 6-axis milling machine directly conflicts with your ability to live happily off-radar

22:17:43 danielpbarron: the rat has no soul to be saved for the kingdom of God

22:17:44 ascii_field: nubbins`: and i don't even own one..

22:18:02 funkenstein_: danielpbarron, i disagree

22:18:07 nubbins`: you don't need to own a thing for its desire to shape your set of acceptable environments

22:18:14 ascii_field: nubbins`: but even something like living in a dwelling without the company of strangers is a titanically expensive luxury in most of the world

22:18:40 nubbins`: that's why the off-radars live with strangers (or, more frequently, friends)

22:19:11 ascii_field: nubbins`: and if you can't think when surrounded by loud, noxious strangers and their excreta ?

22:19:21 ascii_field: then 'quit thinking, your life led you to no good' ?

22:19:31 nubbins`: nope. then work as a contractor for the man.

22:20:11 trinque: so... why not drop off the face of bitcoin entirely until escape velocity

22:20:25 ascii_field: trinque: escape from what? usg's largesse? aha right.

22:20:27 funkenstein_: this has probably crossed our minds trinque

22:20:57 ascii_field: as if any of us has a snowball's chance in hell of escape.

22:21:09 ascii_field: the choice is between 'die' and 'die like a man'

22:21:20 funkenstein_: ascii_field we have already escaped.

22:21:38 ascii_field: funkenstein_ lives on atomic battleship in north atlantic ?

22:21:41 ascii_field: how many rockets ?

22:21:59 ascii_field: have you tested any, to see if still work ?

22:22:07 funkenstein_: why would i need rockets?

22:23:00 ascii_field: because when hitler says 'funkenstein_ does not get to eat any more, anyone found feeding him will be fed to lampreys' what will funkenstein_ reply ?

22:23:40 funkenstein_: hardly needs a reply does it

22:23:58 ascii_field: there is precisely -one- language in which there could be a reply.

22:24:13 ascii_field: a reply that is meaningfully understood and acted on, at any rate.

22:25:04 funkenstein_: i don't think that language is rocket

22:25:09 trinque: nor I.

22:25:52 ascii_field: going purely based on historical example here.

22:25:55 funkenstein_: i speak horticulture

22:26:10 ascii_field: don't take my word for it. try speaking other languages to it, see how far you get.

22:26:33 trinque: my only goal is to get out of the way of a giant that's already mortally injured

22:26:42 ascii_field: i don't see this 'injured.'

22:26:52 funkenstein_: i don't see this giant

22:26:58 trinque: ^ that's the injury

22:27:25 ascii_field: funkenstein_: when they drag you away, feel free to imagine that the 'giant' is a gaggle of midgets. much difference it will make in 'gitmo.'

22:27:37 trinque: "drag away" for what

22:27:58 funkenstein_: a gaggle of midgets can be dangerous as fuck i give you that

22:28:41 jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1082878 wait what, how do we measure the thuggery here?

22:28:41 assbot: Logged on 01-04-2015 21:22:34; mircea_popescu: im kinda curious how is jurov going to rationalise away the fact that on the balance of things, the us thug is actually more thuggish than the ru thug.

22:28:54 nubbins`: qualitatively

22:28:59 nubbins`: 8)

22:29:37 jurov: that is?

22:29:39 ascii_field: jurov: think, if you prefer, of two robbers - one who wants to steal his neighbor's house, in which he used to live but got foreclosed on; and one who steals entire planet.

22:29:48 ascii_field: jurov: you have ru and usg respectively.

22:29:58 funkenstein_: ascii_field, if a bunch of assholes wearing usg hats take me down, i will know it was a bunch of assholes wearing usg hats took me down, not a giant

22:30:56 ascii_field: funkenstein_: all state is made of midget

22:31:04 ascii_field: there were never giants in that other sense.

22:31:04 jurov: dear ascii_field, he will get his house, but will end up yet poorer

22:31:16 jurov: what do you think happen next?

22:31:23 funkenstein_: agreed. petty tyrants.

22:31:37 nubbins`: http://i.imgur.com/IwKduEB.gifv

22:31:38 assbot: MRW I get tricked into seeing something I really wish I hadn't ... ( http://bit.ly/1FiPo3h )

22:31:39 ascii_field: jurov: dueling mega-states leave the schmucks poorer, who could be surprised

22:32:06 trinque: nubbins`: blehhhh

22:32:09 nubbins`: heh

22:32:19 trinque: nubbins`: your mascot?

22:32:24 nubbins`: MRW convo turns to usd-goliath

22:34:48 jurov: it boils down to who'd you rather befriend: the narcist, or the paranoid

22:35:12 jurov: i'd prefer some third way, but serenissima is not world power yet

22:35:35 jurov: so then i'd begrundgingly go with the narcist

22:35:35 ascii_field: jurov: it can't even power a linux distro yet.

22:35:42 trinque: meanwhile I'm not about to run out in front of the white house with my dick out and a target painted on my chest

22:36:36 ascii_field: jurov: the paranoid wants to live in quiet in his bunker, with buffer zone made of idiots who sided with his molesters around, for safety. the narcissist wants to cut up everything good and bright that ever was to cut into designer purse for self.

22:36:37 nubbins`: a-ha

22:36:48 ascii_field: *of dead idiots

22:37:11 jurov: if they mistook finnish and central eu folk for such idiots

22:37:17 ascii_field: mistook?!

22:37:18 jurov: then they deserve what they got

22:37:24 trinque: man, I just wanna end up unknown somewhere with a greenhouse

22:37:27 trinque: that'd be fine

22:37:55 trinque: let the thing wear itself out

22:38:25 nubbins`: hm when building make, first bjam command produces: ...failed updating 1 target...

22:38:29 ascii_field: jurov: small non-atomicsovereign kingdoms don't get to have foreign policy, only to switch rapists

22:38:34 *: nubbins` wonders the easy way to discover said target

22:38:40 ascii_field: quite analogous to individual schmucks as discussed earlier in thread.

22:38:57 nubbins`: in the midst of the thousands upon thousands of warnings

22:39:32 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

22:39:36 jurov: !up ascii_field

22:40:10 ascii_field: i can readily believe that jurov personally prefers to live in a us colony than ru colony - and do not take issue with this, it is very much a private matter

22:40:15 ben_vulpes: <ascii_field> (which result from my gcc NOT going behind my back and inserting stdint exactly where wanted, the way everyone else's apparently does) << i don't even know how to check which tools are lying to me

22:40:32 ben_vulpes: readelf was new to me as of 2 months ago

22:40:45 jurov: ascii_field: even you don't want to live in russia

22:41:03 jurov: so that's why i wonder what you endlessly argue for

22:41:12 ascii_field: jurov: not exactly

22:41:19 trinque: impalement it sounds like

22:41:21 trinque: lol

22:41:22 ascii_field: jurov: i argue that anything that meaningfully opposes usg is to be applauded

22:41:59 ascii_field: that means no muppets (e.g. arabian nationalists funded by u.s. dept of state) or symbionts (cn) or parasites (north kr)

22:42:25 funkenstein_: well that would mean you applaud most all citizens of usa

22:42:30 ascii_field: ru is not 'the future', just the best-looking horse in the usg glue factory, in this regard.

22:42:40 ascii_field: the one still kicking a little.

22:42:54 ascii_field: occasionally knocks some teeth from the demented butcher's mouth.

22:43:29 funkenstein_: this is why north america loves putin

22:43:36 asciilifeform: !up nubbins`

22:43:56 ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> we could readily employ thousands. << you and what budget?!

22:44:02 ascii_field: ^^^^^^

22:44:27 ascii_field: perhaps he meant the old meaning of word 'employ'

22:44:37 ben_vulpes: put to work.

22:44:40 ben_vulpes: burn the biodiesel.

22:44:41 ascii_field: as in 'find a use for, assuming they can eat tree bark and build own computer from mud'

22:44:42 danielpbarron: qntra shares for a start

22:45:23 ascii_field: danielpbarron pays his rent in qntra shares ?

22:46:10 danielpbarron: it's an example of where the budget comes from -- anywhere in the world

22:46:22 ascii_field: what budget.

22:46:52 danielpbarron: the one that redily employs thousands

22:47:31 ascii_field: what there -is-, is an infinite budget of -hate- for the buggers.

22:47:34 ascii_field: it's what keeps me going

22:47:46 ascii_field: i don't expect atomic dirigible to pick me up from the hell

22:48:24 danielpbarron: anyone in the world who can get their hands on bitcoin can help fund that hate

22:48:38 ascii_field: but every time i have a small success in the things i work on, i picture some 'full spectrum dominance' type who will have to sell his daughters six minutes sooner

22:48:41 ascii_field: because of what i did

22:48:48 ascii_field: and it keeps me going.

22:49:03 ascii_field: danielpbarron: the bitcoin doesn't buy additional hate. usg does that.

22:49:05 ascii_field: for free.

22:49:11 ben_vulpes: <ascii_field> mircea_popescu: i would not waste the gentlemens' time if i did not think this were interesting. << rather.

22:49:36 *: nubbins` can also not get 0.5.3.1-RELEASE compiled on gentoo, but for completely different reason

22:49:44 ascii_field: nubbins`: oh ?

22:49:49 ascii_field: please post the barf

22:49:53 nubbins`: headers.h:21:27: fatal error: openssl/ecdsa.h: No such file or directory

22:49:59 nubbins`: i'll pastebin more relevant vomit

22:50:01 danielpbarron: i have had that error

22:50:11 jurov: i can see annoyed and bored late roman citizen "go germans go" .. just not my cup of tea

22:50:15 danielpbarron: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-03-2015#1070480

22:50:15 assbot: Logged on 25-03-2015 14:04:55; danielpbarron: ;;later tell mod6 having some troubles here http://danielpbarron.com/auto-static-v0_0_5-x86_32.txt

22:50:28 nubbins`: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=VAQXDh59

22:50:29 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FiSB2O )

22:50:37 nubbins`: i did get 1 failed target on openssl build

22:50:48 danielpbarron: me too

22:50:53 ascii_field: jurov: fair. i'm not sitting and 'go, zetas, go' either.

22:51:07 danielpbarron: well that's a relief; i had thought my gentoo install was borked

22:51:14 nubbins`: oh, and actually, yeah bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/ourlibs/include/openssl does not exist

22:51:20 ascii_field: jurov: though BingoBoingo did 'go ferguson go' a bit

22:51:21 nubbins`: none of the headers are there

22:51:29 nubbins`: guess that was an important target :p

22:52:38 nubbins`: wait, no, boost failed 1 target.

22:52:46 *: nubbins` scratches head

22:52:54 funkenstein_: "blocks" : 315048, "connections" : 10

22:53:01 ascii_field: the whole fucking ecosystem is rotten to the bone.

22:53:29 ascii_field: (see earlier thread)

22:54:36 danielpbarron: i find that fact to be comforting as it is generally consistent with the reality described in the Bible

22:54:42 ascii_field: i'ma go sit in traffic for a couplea hours now. perhaps one of you independently wealthy folks can fix it meanwhile.

22:56:43 ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> lived most of my life as one. << my turn to live under the gallows shadow

22:57:26 *: nubbins` yawns

22:57:39 nubbins`: fuck am i ever glad shit like this is just a hobby now

22:57:49 funkenstein_: !rate ascii_field 1 on our side

22:57:49 assbot: ascii_field is not registered in WoT.

22:58:00 trinque: funkenstein_: what's "our side"

22:58:07 nubbins`: funkenstein_ try asciilifeform

22:58:12 trinque: this is what's problematic to me here; I am on no one's side...

22:58:27 trinque: well this and other things

22:58:27 funkenstein_: guess it was the royal we ;)

22:58:35 nubbins`: !b 3

22:58:38 assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/06J3Z6T.txt )

22:58:49 nubbins`: close

22:59:04 nubbins`: trinque everywhere's got problems, they're just, uh... /different/ here

22:59:35 ben_vulpes: funkenstein_ fancies hisself a laird nao?

22:59:52 nubbins`: ,e,

22:59:56 nubbins`: whoa

23:00:02 ben_vulpes: ascii_field: relax - it's just an april fool's joke :P

23:00:30 funkenstein_: begging your pardon sirs

23:00:59 funkenstein_: just meant to say i liked the chap's spirit

23:01:30 nubbins`: danielpbarron around?

23:01:34 danielpbarron: ya

23:01:56 nubbins`: found missing openssl headers, they're just in the wrong spot.

23:02:21 nubbins`: add ~/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/openssl-1.0.1g/include to your path

23:02:31 ben_vulpes: funkenstein_: that's the spirit

23:02:31 nubbins`: or figure out why auto.sh puts the shit in the wrong dir

23:04:18 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/04/obama-orders-war-on-computing-and-bitcoin-with-new-emergency-order-full-text/

23:04:30 danielpbarron: nubbins`, where would that go?

23:05:01 nubbins`: $ export PATH=$PATH:/home/dpb/dev/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/openssl-1.0.1g/include

23:05:06 nubbins`: $ echo $PATH

23:06:04 nubbins`: if it looks kosher, then try ./auto.sh again

23:07:07 nubbins`: oh hm

23:09:04 nubbins`: wtf!

23:09:07 funkenstein_: holy shit

23:10:55 nubbins`: danielpbarron that actually doesn't work.

23:11:13 funkenstein_: BingoBoingo tell me it's april fools please

23:12:41 funkenstein_: persons located, in whole or in substantial part, outside the United States <--- ???

23:15:45 BingoBoingo: <ascii_field> jurov: though BingoBoingo did 'go ferguson go' a bit << Then the peace vampires came out, like USG Informant Al Sharpton.

23:16:28 BingoBoingo: funkenstein_: Did you read the order? It is linked and on the white house website as well as attached in full text at the botton of the post

23:16:53 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: ^ qntra on the topic is up

23:20:57 BingoBoingo: !up NewLiberty

23:25:07 hanbot: ;;later_tell BingoBoingo very nicely done. coupla edits: United State's Government's / States' ; Republic of the United State's of America / States

23:25:08 gribble: Error: "later_tell" is not a valid command.

23:25:27 hanbot: orly?

23:26:27 hanbot: ;;later tell BingoBoingo very nicely done. coupla edits: United State's Government's / States' ; Republic of the United State's of America / States

23:26:28 gribble: The operation succeeded.

23:26:30 hanbot: derp.

23:28:11 nubbins`: danielpbarron mkdir ourlibs/include/openssl; cp openssl-1.0.1g/include/openssl/* ourlibs/include/openssl/

23:29:15 nubbins`: aha!

23:29:18 nubbins`: this brings me to:

23:29:25 nubbins`: util.h:650:8: error: ‘uint32_t’ does not name a type

23:29:28 nubbins`: ^ asciilifeform

23:29:48 nubbins`: ^ mod6 ben_vulpes

23:30:05 nubbins`: alf, take small solace in the fact that it's not just you?

23:31:04 *: nubbins` invites anyone currently watching to google the above error, with quotes

23:33:02 BingoBoingo: hanbot: Should be fixed

23:33:09 nubbins`: only results are from log

23:34:20 nubbins`: asciilifeform i'm done w/ this for the evening, but my next step will be to try again with gcc 4.4.5, which mod6 says was current (in debian) when 0.5.3 came out

23:34:34 nubbins`: it's entirely possible that gcc broke this

23:34:37 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "Faced with technology that forces it to reveal its teeth and claws, along with the reaping of the fruit the United States Government planted in its subversion of the computing stack at every level, the fangs are being bared and the claws unsheathed."

23:34:41 mircea_popescu: dude srsly... too meta.

23:36:13 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1082925 << that's prolly going too far. the usg can prolly "exert pressure" on the price of soy, nevertheless you can still go to argentina's remote east and grow some soy for yourself.

23:36:13 assbot: Logged on 01-04-2015 21:42:51; ascii_field: so it isn't simply a matter of physically getting out - any idiot with 1k-usd or so can do that. but you also have to completely divorce the 'legit global economy'

23:36:38 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1082928 << no, they're stupid.

23:36:38 assbot: Logged on 01-04-2015 21:43:36; nubbins`: all of a sudden the freewheelin hitchhikin hippies aren't so stupid :0

23:36:47 mircea_popescu: just, vagrant stupid rather than delusional stupid.

23:37:02 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Toned down the meta a bit.

23:37:27 mircea_popescu: yeah. simile and such are very iffy in newsprint.

23:42:31 *: BingoBoingo pours a drink because cutting the liquor budget substantially for the short to medium term future.

23:47:02 nubbins`: bbl meatspace headspace

23:51:55 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1082974 << this is where the entire "smart" turns to stupid. the only thing them smart hipsters can do is be my slavegirls.

23:51:55 assbot: Logged on 01-04-2015 22:11:02; ascii_field: who to mooch off ?

23:53:05 hanbot: mircea_popescu how's a hipster blowjob go?

23:53:09 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nevertheless you can still go to argentina's remote east and grow some soy for yourself << grow me a 0805 resistor.

23:53:20 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1082985 << no. it is strictly a function of whether they are posing a threat to the leviathan or not. strictly that. no "routes". you can only matter if you can actually blow a hole in them, and you can only blow a hole in them if you don't depend on someone's permission for your activity.

23:53:20 assbot: Logged on 01-04-2015 22:14:49; nubbins`: anyway, whether or not one can survive comfortably off the radar is more a function of the route their life has taken thus far. it's not in the cards for everyone.

23:53:27 asciilifeform: or so much as a gram of soy, that the chinese can't grow cheaper, with which to buy one.

23:53:33 mircea_popescu: in this sense, someone who has to mooch wifi and someone who "owns" a mortgage are identical.

23:54:04 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not my fault boys are worthless irl, when irl is designed by usg.

23:54:08 mircea_popescu: this is deliberate and intentional.

23:54:17 asciilifeform: ^ this is why i don't get nubbbins` presenting bohemians as mega-example to learn from

23:54:28 mircea_popescu: he's just going with his past groupthink.

23:55:55 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1082995 << no. living off radar is not a matter of vanishing yourself. it is a matter of forcing the op to turn the radar off.

23:55:55 assbot: Logged on 01-04-2015 22:17:18; nubbins`: understand that your desire to own a 6-axis milling machine directly conflicts with your ability to live happily off-radar

23:56:04 asciilifeform: ^^^

23:56:13 mircea_popescu: his desire to own a cnc mill is a result of his desire to own a nuke, which is a result of his desire to go "either you stick to this rule or i kill you"

23:56:16 mircea_popescu: which is necessary.

23:56:37 mircea_popescu: anything conflicting with this chain is about as interesting as "a bitcoin" that doesn't mine off the main chain.

23:56:42 mircea_popescu: glhf.

23:56:52 asciilifeform: dustcoin?

23:57:21 mircea_popescu: hanbot i have nfi lol

23:59:10 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1082999 << and it's not a matter of desire, we're not discussing aesthetics here, as if we were living in a post-functional world where even bothering to think about "where does the tap water come from" is a waste of time.

23:59:10 assbot: Logged on 01-04-2015 22:18:07; nubbins`: you don't need to own a thing for its desire to shape your set of acceptable environments

23:59:21 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ... be my slavegirls << in that case,

23:59:52 *: asciilifeform recommeds that mircea_popescu start collecting slavegirls who are handy with systems programming. though the trouble may be that ones of the correct vintage (no later than early '80s) are probably beginning to spoil...