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00:00:13 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2016#1442745 << this is entirely true but i dun see the connection with the thread ?

00:00:13 assbot: Logged on 31-03-2016 23:35:50; kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2016#1442725 < this is also what we see in the pseudo science called 'economics'. they are trying to make the economy stable, do away with day to day volatility only to totally explode every so often. a complex system, such as human body or tmsr. often benefits from volatility. keep that tightly regulated and you get a guaranteed blowup.

00:00:43 kakobrekla: some volatility = sometimes admit a mistake

00:00:56 asciilifeform: popes can't 'admit mistake'

00:00:59 asciilifeform: comes with the job.

00:01:18 asciilifeform: a pope, at least as is printed on the box, ~defines~ correctness.

00:01:22 kakobrekla: religion is bad for you mkay ?

00:01:53 asciilifeform: go and raise fanatical army to defeat hitler, without something like it.

00:02:00 asciilifeform: i would like to learn from the genius who manages this.

00:02:25 kakobrekla: and if you go to church only because to maximize the hamburger count and not truly believing you are the possibly the worst idiot

00:03:20 kakobrekla: anyway, either admit mistakes or have blowups. i dont really care at this point - it is too far gone.

00:06:02 mod6: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-April/000219.html

00:06:03 assbot: [BTC-dev] The Bitcoin Foundation: STATE OF BITCOIN ADDRESS ... ( http://bit.ly/1pOPEE0 )

00:11:39 kakobrekla: odd - no anti b-a actions or just not mentioned?

00:11:50 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: wut?!

00:12:01 asciilifeform: why would trb statement include this.

00:12:11 asciilifeform: what did trb ever do to you, kakobrekla ?

00:12:13 kakobrekla: idk, like new wot for patches etc

00:12:22 asciilifeform: what new wot.

00:12:43 asciilifeform: v users can select whatever pubkeys they like on their machines.

00:12:52 asciilifeform: this remains true and will remain so for all of eternity.

00:13:10 kakobrekla: doesnt the email patch submitting thing eat stuff from asswot or do i misremember

00:13:18 asciilifeform: jurov's thing did iirc

00:13:41 asciilifeform: but it is falling into disuse.

00:14:35 kakobrekla: anyway, im still curious why do you think hitler would laugh - the word i got is that everything is being rebuilt the only difference is - not by me

00:15:05 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: hitler laughs because, as you pointed out, the damage is done.

00:15:18 kakobrekla: (and not even by him)

00:15:34 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: do you know how influenza kills ?

00:15:35 kakobrekla: the cult is as faithful as ever though so no damage there

00:16:04 kakobrekla: yes yes, the reaction. but it was a self inflicted wound in the first place. im sure you get that from my arguments.

00:16:33 asciilifeform: aha but it was predictable.

00:16:43 kakobrekla: that i wouldnt eat it ?

00:17:09 asciilifeform: that the caltrop was too big to digest, let's say.

00:17:27 kakobrekla: if id go "yes sure you can have your delusions" we would still be dreaming/pretending here

00:19:43 mod6: kakobrekla: The end of the first congress of the republic and BitBet strife really have nothing to do with the Bitcoin Foundation.

00:20:14 asciilifeform: mod6: i'm not entirely sure of this.

00:20:30 asciilifeform: given as 100% of the trb folks are now in #t-a

00:20:56 mod6: For the time being, however, the WoT queried via the mail service may or may not need to change. No action taken there yet.

00:20:58 kakobrekla: basically a bunch of luke-jrs

00:21:10 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: how's that ?

00:21:19 mod6: Excuse me? Are you calling me ljr?

00:21:46 kakobrekla: yeah i might have.

00:21:54 mod6: I've done nothing. Infact, I've not even commented on this complete ball of horseshit.

00:22:01 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: consider a monarch like ivan iv, or vlad of ro. do you wonder, how come their own men did not do them in ?

00:22:27 asciilifeform: answer is that decapitation ~of the kingdom~ is actually far worse than suffering the rage, the frothing lunacy, the impalements.

00:22:36 asciilifeform: it is simply how it worx.

00:22:48 *: kakobrekla checks his butt

00:22:53 kakobrekla: nope, no impalement there

00:23:03 mod6: I've done the things that I needed to do, and will wait to see how this all is concluded before I do anyting else required.

00:23:05 asciilifeform: speak for yerself, i'm on a stake, l0l

00:23:22 kakobrekla: only if you believe so

00:23:35 asciilifeform: anyway you get the drift.

00:23:39 kakobrekla: hardly.

00:23:55 asciilifeform: and as i said before, if kakobrekla wants to turn into a pepsi-mp, i will cheer.

00:23:58 nubbins`: <+asciilifeform> i think he isn't physiologically capable of backing down from anything << if nothing else, /he's/ now aware of this

00:24:08 kakobrekla: nah

00:24:09 asciilifeform: but if he somehow thinks that killing hitler is possible ~without any mp~ - he is smoking dope.

00:24:39 kakobrekla: i dont agree at all.

00:24:41 mod6: I stay in here, because I figure myself respected enough by all parties, aside from nubbins` apparently, who called me a fag last month, to straddle for now. I do this as a service to all who would care about trb.

00:25:06 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: let's say the phork warz come. and there is no mp. who will sink the price of prb ?

00:25:12 asciilifeform: 'the market' (tm) (r) ?

00:25:18 kakobrekla: not mp, i can tell you that much.

00:25:22 asciilifeform: why not ?

00:25:42 kakobrekla: lets wait and see. hope it happens so we can settle this.

00:26:19 kakobrekla: i am convinced he wont make a dent, even if he would try.

00:26:19 nubbins`: i called you a fag last month?!

00:26:49 kakobrekla: (iirc he is already divesting)

00:26:55 mod6: Anyway, kakobrekla, you invited me here over four years ago. If you don't want me to stay, I'll leave. But what I won't do, is be smeared or participate in this circus.

00:26:56 kakobrekla: and price is doing what?

00:26:58 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: i'm not wholly convinced that he ~could~ make a dent, usg will print a quintillion if it needs to, to keep price where they want it. but the THREAT of the nuke ~so far~ has sufficed.

00:27:18 kakobrekla: haha okay.

00:27:34 asciilifeform: unless you know of some non-mptronic hypothesis re why no phorkwarz yet.

00:27:57 asciilifeform: (e.g., where 'xt' went)

00:28:19 kakobrekla: i can make 10 hypothesis from the correlation between icecream sales and drowning rates

00:28:34 nubbins`: there's a strong disincentive to be the first large mining operation to adopt, e.g., xt

00:29:56 asciilifeform: the 'can function without mp' folks, are stuck explaining why trb had to wait for mp.

00:30:48 asciilifeform: religion sucks, but apparently people won't lift a finger to save their arse without popes.

00:30:55 asciilifeform: i did not design people, it is not my doing.

00:31:07 kakobrekla: im not saying there necessarily isnt a problem. but if it is, its within you.

00:31:15 asciilifeform: within everybody.

00:31:32 kakobrekla: how did satoshi make bitcoin without mp?

00:31:36 kakobrekla: its fucking impossible!

00:31:47 asciilifeform: that was not a repeatable thing.

00:32:01 asciilifeform: just like the birth of, e.g., microshit, is not an event that will ever be repeated.

00:33:06 kakobrekla: im not seeing more than one trb

00:33:32 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: it seems inevitable.

00:33:48 asciilifeform: if the tmsr schism is permanent, eventually there will be >1 trb.

00:35:05 kakobrekla: if there is >1 it proves you dont need mp, if its 1 it proves its a one time event

00:35:21 kakobrekla: both cases are a no-go

00:35:48 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: if there is >1 it will be because of the destructive schism.

00:35:56 asciilifeform: not because two mp-s.

00:36:14 kakobrekla: not two, zero.

00:36:15 asciilifeform: do you understand the difference between conferring the legitimacy - yes, papally - de novo, and cutting up a kingdom ?

00:36:18 asciilifeform: aha, zero.

00:38:14 kakobrekla: religion was a thing to control people back in the day when they were 99.9stupid.

00:38:23 kakobrekla: now, they are only 99.5

00:38:50 asciilifeform: not so sure about this.

00:42:07 asciilifeform: and it is not even purely about stupidity.

00:42:23 asciilifeform: fact is, folks who believe in ~nothing bigger than own arse~ cannot kill empire.

00:42:26 asciilifeform: see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=25-06-2015#1175003

00:42:26 assbot: Logged on 25-06-2015 01:52:23; mircea_popescu: oleander blosom doesn't run outof your mouth, plant itself back on tree.

00:43:38 kakobrekla: ideas, not people. ideas are above people.

00:44:13 kakobrekla: i get it, you need someone to whip your ass for some reason.

00:44:33 asciilifeform: i, note, don't.

00:44:47 asciilifeform: was doing much the same thing i do now before i met the lot of you. just, nobody read it.

00:44:49 asciilifeform: do you wonder why ?

00:45:00 asciilifeform: apparently the rest of you ~did~ need the whip.

00:45:23 kakobrekla: i am not convinced about that. the evidence you present so far shows on the contrary.

00:45:33 kakobrekla: did you whip me or showed me ideas ?

00:45:40 asciilifeform: or, to complete the picture, my work was not very interesting, and mp released strong pope gas to make other folks believe it to be.

00:46:55 kakobrekla: this to me is quite like "we need to save money, no matter what it costs"

00:47:12 asciilifeform: i 'showed ideas' to anyone who would listen, for years, what came of it.

00:49:04 kakobrekla: if bitbet will be operational in the future i would consider betting "price will not talk after fork" but you will then be screaming "but fork was delayed by mp, you cant show me im wrong"

00:49:13 kakobrekla: yes i also cant disprove ufos. sorry.

00:49:25 kakobrekla: i think this debate has reached the end pretty much

00:49:33 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: do you actually think you can have equilibrium with forks ?

00:49:37 asciilifeform: because that would be interesting

00:50:23 asciilifeform: or were you suggesting that ~trb~ price will tank.

00:50:42 asciilifeform: hitler, apparently, is not certain of this, or he would pull the trigger ~today~

00:51:59 kakobrekla: probably not, but im not conceder about that. there is a historical fact, which does not make me happy at all but still is fact, that humans were often better off wrong in a pack than right and alone (which also goes strangely against my decision not to accept mp delusions but there you have it)

00:52:38 asciilifeform: which brings us to:

00:52:38 kakobrekla: if fork happens trb price will not tank. trb will not be a thing.

00:52:48 asciilifeform: !rate kakobrekla 6 lone soldier.

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00:52:55 kakobrekla: like "what was the time before bigbang"

00:53:31 asciilifeform: !v assbot:asciilifeform.rate.kakobrekla.6:96e198148d4c37ac1a9102378bfe685bf745f58e0bba1a0256d4a208b876fdd1

00:53:31 assbot: Successfully updated the rating for kakobrekla from 5 to 6 with note: lone soldier.

00:54:01 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: explain the 'will not be a thing' plox

00:54:18 kakobrekla: i guess thats a point since the previous infrastructure rating is moot now

00:54:39 kakobrekla: but the fans are still quiet! at least i hope.

00:54:40 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: afaik the #t-a folk plan to respect the old ratingz.

00:54:52 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: they are!

00:55:02 asciilifeform: but i still get resonance, whole thing is buzzing right now

00:55:07 asciilifeform: but i do not blame kakobrekla's fanz!

00:55:13 asciilifeform: i suspect it is the disks.

00:55:24 asciilifeform: 2 out of 4 replaced with ssd now, only a matter of time.

00:57:20 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: if you think that usg can steamroller over classic bitcoin at will, apparently you are more confident of this than they

00:57:28 asciilifeform: because there is not, yet, the phorkwar.

00:57:42 asciilifeform: (classic in the trb sense, not the gavinist abortion)

00:57:45 kakobrekla: how it will not be a thing? if we are talking about forked coins - it will be a currency which will not be transformable to fiat (yes i need that to pay foodz etc), will not be mined and will be vulnerable to anyone with little effort

00:57:55 kakobrekla: you can deny it, but see it happen

00:58:02 asciilifeform: then why not yet ?

00:58:21 asciilifeform: what aborted the 2 (3 ?) attempts to date ?

00:58:24 asciilifeform: cosmic rays ?

00:58:38 kakobrekla: pretty much as likely as the pope!

00:58:47 asciilifeform: i am genuinely curious, what.

00:59:07 kakobrekla: chinese are scared

00:59:11 asciilifeform: of what ?

00:59:16 kakobrekla: of doing anything new

00:59:48 kakobrekla: there is more than one reason of course

01:00:03 kakobrekla: but right now i have info that shows this is the biggest part of it

01:00:11 kakobrekla: they move slow, if at all.

01:00:35 asciilifeform: and to what end would they move to support usg hegemony ?

01:00:59 nubbins`: ;;tslb

01:00:59 kakobrekla: dude, they cant even speak english

01:01:02 gribble: Time since last block: 6 minutes and 29 seconds

01:10:17 scoopbot: New post on Qntra by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2016/04/qntra-s-qntr-march-2016-report/

01:10:18 assbot: Qntra (S.QNTR) March 2016 Report | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1RONVbw )

01:25:51 nubbins`: not sure if i missed this, but was there any mention as to the 200 btc discrepancy in davout's report?

01:26:06 asciilifeform: nubbins`: mention where ?

01:26:14 asciilifeform: nubbins`: i brought it up in #t-a

01:27:01 asciilifeform: nubbins`: and i knew you would cream yer pants when you see it, aha.

01:29:08 nubbins`: asciilifeform mention from anyone who knows, i guess.

01:29:14 nubbins`: also, "This bet was made after the receivership was publicly notified and will as such be accounted for as a generous donation to the BitBet shareholders." is pretty saucy

01:29:24 nubbins`: although the amount involved is a pittance

01:30:20 asciilifeform: nubbins`: where was this

01:32:39 kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2016#1442751 < actually churches do this on occasion. see flat earth or child abuse. its not too often but not unheard of.

01:32:39 assbot: Logged on 01-04-2016 00:00:56; asciilifeform: popes can't 'admit mistake'

01:33:11 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: it notably was a catastrophe, pretty much sank the church as a thing

01:33:27 asciilifeform: or what, you thought it died because humans got unstupider ?

01:33:28 kakobrekla: youd prefer flat eathers ?

01:33:43 asciilifeform: i - not

01:33:51 kakobrekla: it died only 0.4%

01:34:27 asciilifeform: it died 100%, lost the intellectual authority.

01:34:45 kakobrekla: sometimes i wonder if we are on the same planet

01:35:16 nubbins`: <+asciilifeform> nubbins`: where was this << http://fr.anco.is/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/BitBet_report_1_data.txt

01:35:17 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ROT9UF )

01:35:38 kakobrekla: anyway, im off to bed. nubbins` dont make it too noisy.

01:35:46 nubbins`: :3

01:35:55 asciilifeform: nubbins`: interesting

01:35:59 asciilifeform: goodnight kakobrekla

01:35:59 nubbins`: mhm

01:36:16 nubbins`: i'd also tallied the open bets and come up with ~750 btc

01:36:28 nubbins`: so i'm not sure where the ~942 figure comes from

01:38:32 asciilifeform: nubbins`: comment on his site, ask ?

01:38:53 asciilifeform: legit question !

01:40:24 nubbins`: indeed, several have!

01:43:37 nubbins`: i as well must rest

03:26:01 funkenstein_: asciilifeform: if the tmsr schism is permanent, eventually there will be >1 trb. <-- seeing as there is no centralized trb, I thought this was the natural state of a V project

05:58:02 mats: wow

05:58:35 kakobrekla: wow?

05:58:53 mats: dpb catches a kb for disagreeing loudly

05:59:08 mats: and under the old regime folks went to the trouble of negrating nubbins` to get him to shut up

05:59:15 mats: what a contrast

05:59:23 kakobrekla: it was explained

05:59:50 mats: does your idea of tsmr exclude republicans?

06:00:06 punkman: seemed like dpb was trying to make that happen, but yeah I didn't love that either

06:00:23 kakobrekla: tmsr arguably no longer lives here

06:00:27 mats: so we all have an idea of the ground rules.

06:01:24 kakobrekla: do i really need to point out that nubbins was indeed banned by mp on the end ?

06:01:37 punkman: I must have missed that

06:01:48 kakobrekla: well - he was.

06:01:50 mats: a small detail, after substantial republican effort

06:02:04 mats: and, might i add, unnecessary if assbot behaved predicatbly.

06:02:45 mats: but ok, monarchies all around, got it.

06:03:01 mats: (here -- and court of #fraudsters)

06:07:23 kakobrekla: first he neg rates me http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-03-2016#1442059 then continues to use the toys i provide - on top of that i gave him several chances to leave like a man, example http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2016#1442310

06:07:23 assbot: Logged on 29-03-2016 18:49:55; danielpbarron: !v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.kakobrekla.-4:469e7c46160c5874678009d80bec6c1577223d5e8a70ec3c9a47a266064ce4a0

06:07:23 assbot: Logged on 31-03-2016 08:46:06; kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2016#1442295 < the fact you like eating garbage is long established. however it appears i misjudged when i expected you still have some spine left. i will benevolently extend the offer for your seppuku for a little longer.

06:08:24 mats: i already got it. no insulting the king in public fora.

06:08:44 kakobrekla: mno its not a king thing, its that he is a fuckin noise hole

06:09:12 kakobrekla: i can take all the insults you can come up with, give it a try

06:09:19 mats: you dislike his noise, enjoy nubbins` noise despite being 10x in volume, i see that

06:10:11 kakobrekla: re nubbins: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2016#1442524 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2016#1442925

06:10:11 assbot: Logged on 31-03-2016 21:22:08; kakobrekla: snr please

06:10:11 assbot: Logged on 01-04-2016 01:35:38; kakobrekla: anyway, im off to bed. nubbins` dont make it too noisy.

06:10:56 mats: he gets polite warning, but dpb... alright i think i've made my point.

06:11:09 kakobrekla: but dpb is delusional yes

06:11:16 kakobrekla: you got the point

06:15:02 kakobrekla: i mean wtf its all in the logs but here ill make it easy for you

06:15:21 kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2016#1442291 , http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2016#1442294 , http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2016#1442307

06:15:21 assbot: Logged on 31-03-2016 02:59:42; asciilifeform: danielpbarron: oh ffs kako didn't pull yer voice

06:15:21 assbot: Logged on 31-03-2016 03:01:03; asciilifeform: i 'sit on 2 chairs with 1 arse' largely because i like chatting with kako. but i wonder what danielpbarron is doing here.

06:15:21 assbot: Logged on 31-03-2016 08:37:39; kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2016#1442290 < not only he allows for bullshit, he actively authors it. the former is prerequisite for the latter. and from my point of view, if i had to tolerate his, i had to tolerate yours - to a point at least. however i am now absolved from that and science can take over. if it actually will is another matter and largely depends on actual people doing it. re

06:19:40 kakobrekla: im rather convinced you wont get so many opportunities in village down the road.

06:28:14 mats: a shiny new era is upon us

06:33:25 kakobrekla: yes i get it you are all sarcastic and stuff, but the fact remains that questions such as 'what should i believe and why' is a scientific one.

06:33:49 mats: my shtick is a poor imitation of yours, i know

06:34:39 kakobrekla: whut?

06:35:07 mats: your chat here has historically been sarcastic and tongue in cheek, no?

06:35:21 mats: its what i remember most distinctly, at any rate

06:35:55 kakobrekla: oh idk

06:35:59 kakobrekla: maybe

06:37:35 kakobrekla: would you trust a personal doctor that is convinced the earth is flat?

06:37:40 kakobrekla: that thinks*

06:38:31 mats: look, i get the hangup with religiosity, my parents were clergy and i left the church at age 10, this particular disagreement shaped a lot of my youth

06:39:18 mats: but i anticipated an ignore rather than kb.

06:40:13 mats: what triggered the kb, in the end, is not evangelism, it is his support of mp.

06:40:16 kakobrekla: in fairness i should just remove his ability to voice but i was too lazy to go through that procedure at the time

06:40:31 kakobrekla: yes, i argue (as linked above) the two are ~the same

06:40:32 mats: so lets not paint one over the other

06:41:34 kakobrekla: he was getting on my nerve long before schizm - this can be found in logs

06:42:12 kakobrekla: anyway i dont mind having this discussion at all.

06:42:33 kakobrekla: unlike you-know-who.

06:43:32 mats: he who must not be named!

06:43:37 kakobrekla: hehe

06:43:52 kakobrekla: name, name away! i dun mind.

07:01:24 kakobrekla: in closing, when we are talking about facts, certain opinions ~must~ be excluded - that is what it means to have a domain of expertise.

07:02:26 kakobrekla: why are we convinced every opinion has to count? do the taliban have a anything to say in regards to physics that is worth considering?

07:05:37 punkman: kakobrekla: yes i get it you are all sarcastic and stuff, but the fact remains that questions such as 'what should i believe and why' is a scientific one. << I disagree and believing this applies to everything is what gets you "experts" and "climate change"

07:09:06 punkman: kakobrekla: would you trust a personal doctor that is convinced the earth is flat? << sure as long as he's not into homeopathy

07:11:10 mats: i dunno that so many folks ever believed flat earth theory

07:11:36 punkman: mats, yeah I remember reading an article about that

07:13:05 mats: any folks that have traveled a week at hard march and has ever seen fruit or spherical object would instantly put it together

07:13:36 mats: our ancestors did not have so much science or tech but they were not stupid

07:17:33 davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2016#1442930 <<< plox to elaborate

07:17:33 assbot: Logged on 01-04-2016 01:36:16; nubbins`: i'd also tallied the open bets and come up with ~750 btc

07:25:54 punkman: inb4 the miners are blocking the remaining 200btc :P

07:26:21 punkman: from the other place "mircea_popescu: he sez there's more btc owed to bettors than what he received ; ima be reviewing teh lists."

07:35:15 kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2016#1442997 << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2016#1442996

07:35:15 assbot: Logged on 01-04-2016 07:05:37; punkman: kakobrekla: yes i get it you are all sarcastic and stuff, but the fact remains that questions such as 'what should i believe and why' is a scientific one. << I disagree and believing this applies to everything is what gets you "experts" and "climate change"

07:35:15 assbot: Logged on 01-04-2016 07:02:26; kakobrekla: why are we convinced every opinion has to count? do the taliban have a anything to say in regards to physics that is worth considering?

07:35:32 kakobrekla: anyway going for a walk. bbl

08:50:46 kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2016#1442999 < it was an example, a metaphor. anyway its about consistency. if such simple things cant be reconciled who knows what monsters lurk in the dark. still waiting for somone to tell me what contribution taliban made to physics.

08:50:46 assbot: Logged on 01-04-2016 07:11:10; mats: i dunno that so many folks ever believed flat earth theory

11:06:30 nubbins`: +davout http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2016#1442930 <<< plox to elaborate << when bbet was first announced to be heading into receivership, i tallied the amount of BTC stuffed into all open bets and arrived at a figure of ~750 btc. your audit sez 942 BTC; was wondering why the discrepancy

11:07:23 kakobrekla: because you were superficial?

11:08:54 nubbins`: perhaps. seemed odd that MP would forward davout the number of BTC that *i* calculated to be outstanding

11:09:21 kakobrekla: his exceptionally rounded sum seem to be pulled from ass

11:09:26 nubbins`: brendafdez really seems to be adopting mpoe-pr's troll crown

11:10:30 nubbins`: "Assets: - Cash: 954.78385211 BTC (of which 755.33378422 BTC is currently under my control): "

11:11:23 kakobrekla: learn to read

11:11:35 kakobrekla: As of today, I have received:

11:11:35 kakobrekla: – from Matic Kočevar: the deedbot’d DB, codebase, and contents of the hot wallet amounting to 4.83378422 BTC [1, 2]

11:11:35 kakobrekla: – from Mircea Popescu: the bitbet.us domain and the sum of 750.5 BTC.

11:32:09 nubbins`: hmm

11:32:15 nubbins`: i think we have crossed wires somewhere kako

11:32:43 nubbins`: 750.5 + ~4.83 = ~755.33

11:32:55 nubbins`: where's ~954 come from?

11:48:13 nubbins`: nm got it

11:49:13 nubbins`: consider my question revised to "why did davout only receive 750.5 btc from mp when there's 942 btc of outstanding bets"

12:35:36 kakobrekla: because http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2016#1443016

12:35:36 assbot: Logged on 01-04-2016 11:09:21; kakobrekla: his exceptionally rounded sum seem to be pulled from ass

12:40:44 nubbins`: i know at some point i floated a ~750 figure as a guess at outstanding bet money

12:40:53 nubbins`: someone else in chan offered a similar count

12:41:04 nubbins`: maybe he just used that

12:41:24 nubbins`: found this choice lul while trying to find the thread where this was first discussed: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-03-2016#1425306

12:41:24 assbot: Logged on 07-03-2016 17:50:31; nubbins`: just as long as we're all on the same page here that the 17 btc is fraudulent and mp is refusing to admit his fraud, i don't really have anything else to add, aside from shredding the ridiculous rebuttals put forth so far

13:35:27 jurov: looks like the old times are back, kako hissing about snr ratios on daily basis :D

13:36:06 kakobrekla: l0l

13:49:52 scoopbot: New post on Qntra by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2016/04/latest-bitcoin-network-difficulty-adjustment-0-82/

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14:59:30 scoopbot: New post on fraudsters by Mircea Popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2016/outrageous-mps-guide-to-not-being-a-poorfag/

14:59:32 assbot: Outrageous MP's guide to not being a poorfag on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1RQ2f0n )

15:11:25 fluffypony: [16:25:55] <+punkman> inb4 the miners are blocking the remaining 200btc :P <- I lol'd way too hard at this

15:11:54 nubbins`: heh

15:12:58 fluffypony: the cheque is in the mail!

15:18:58 nubbins`: i think http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-03-2016#1425306 is the first mention of how many BTC bitbet had outstanding

15:18:58 assbot: Logged on 07-03-2016 17:50:31; nubbins`: just as long as we're all on the same page here that the 17 btc is fraudulent and mp is refusing to admit his fraud, i don't really have anything else to add, aside from shredding the ridiculous rebuttals put forth so far

15:19:09 nubbins`: but i just counted the open bets, not the resolved but unpaid, etc

15:19:21 nubbins`: oops wrong link

15:19:21 nubbins`: heh

15:19:34 nubbins`: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-03-2016#1431857

15:19:34 assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 03:55:28; nubbins`: about 750 btc in outstanding bets

15:20:17 nubbins`: then repeated here later http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-03-2016#1432996

15:20:17 assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 23:15:53; humanoidity: Also, I'm thinking ... 17/240 is 0.0229 which ain't much.

15:20:59 nubbins`: maybe where mp doesn't keep a separate wallet for bitbet funds, he just got mixed up and assumed the random number i came up with was correct

15:21:03 nubbins`: lolz

16:55:12 jurov: !t m f.mpif

16:55:12 assbot: [MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.000209 / 0.000209 / 0.000209 (2900 shares, 0.61 BTC), 30D: 0.000209 / 0.000209 / 0.0002091 (64979 shares, 13.58 BTC)

18:49:08 jurov: davout, The Bitcoin Foundation Tax Authority, which I represent, would like to place claim on BitBet for unpaid taxes, is it still possible?

18:49:52 jurov: (1st april btw)

19:01:03 davout: jurov: for half a second, some part of my brain was screaming "o noes, more accounting!11"

19:01:37 PeterL: do you mean the ~0.000401 they would have paid for Feb if the ~17 btc mistake of MP had not been applied to the company?

19:02:06 jurov: The 17 BTC expense claim is subject to pending tax audit.

19:02:20 PeterL: Or did they make a profit in March?

19:03:24 jurov: Thier tax delinquencies go way back before March.

19:03:52 PeterL: ??? I thought they paid tax every month?

19:05:41 jurov: PeterL: just joking

19:06:00 PeterL: aha

19:06:43 jurov: and i thought the joke pretty lame!

19:19:58 jurov: http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/gmail-google-mic-drop-april-fool-prank-undo-send-see-email-backfired-a6962916.html still, there are lamer jokes

19:19:59 assbot: April Fools' Day 2016: Google's 'mic drop' Gmail joke backfires spectacularly as users insult friends and lose jobs | News | Lifestyle | The Independent ... ( http://bit.ly/1oqjcqB )

19:23:46 jurov: i can imagine some types really have fun with rearranging hapless users' buttons

19:24:14 jurov: pity it did not happen to alf :D

19:24:20 asciilifeform: waiwut

19:24:49 jurov: gmail added silly button

19:25:26 jurov: and you still use it iirc

19:26:56 asciilifeform: generally i only receive with it

19:27:13 asciilifeform: i dun send much mailz.

19:27:33 asciilifeform: (and when send, typically pgp)

19:27:59 asciilifeform: so it can happily go over gmail, hitlermail, carrier pigeon, catapult, etc.

19:29:31 jurov: you surely were happy sending, poor turdatron receiving... not so much

19:30:00 asciilifeform: aha i think that was the last time i ~sent~ mailz

19:31:30 asciilifeform: jurov: i also have an old-style 'proper' mail serv with squirrelmail etc. but for some reason turdatron never worked with it

19:31:45 asciilifeform: because motherfucking line endings

19:32:03 jurov: yes i remember some squirrelmail probs

19:58:10 mats: reads like jurov wants alf to get fired

19:58:49 jurov: lol that did not occur to me.. but may be an improvement

19:59:38 asciilifeform: i've been fired, didn't help

19:59:53 asciilifeform: at this point prolly the only improvement would be to be shot in the head

20:00:36 jurov: well... you wanted to spend these btc on something, no?

20:00:53 asciilifeform: jurov: recently i bid on the remains of bbet

20:02:19 mats: i think about getting restructured out of the org all the time

20:05:39 mats: severance? ty. unemployment insurance? 25% of the work per week (looking for new job) at ~50% pay for 4 months

20:06:45 mats: i am 'poorfag' in sense of time AND money, would love to have some more free time

20:13:32 asciilifeform: unless you're a senior exec, severance is a sad joke

20:13:57 asciilifeform: (and you only ever even get it if you're sacked 'for no reason', i.e. laid off)

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