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Transcript for 01-05-2015, 1089 lines:

00:00:54 williamdunne: >Requests that you disable adblock

00:00:54 williamdunne: >Displays adverts that play noise in the background.. on a video sit

00:01:12 williamdunne: *site

00:07:48 ben_vulpes: For example, there was a famous hack that provided a means of (1) removing a cons cell from a freelist, (2) updating the freelist, and (3) branching if the freelist was exhausted to the GC... in *one instruction*. << that *is* cool

00:11:06 ben_vulpes: "the difference between theory and practice is, uh, larger in practice than in theory" << paul graham! whatta dood

00:13:16 ben_vulpes: "It was solid enough to be a serious system that had real clients who depended on it." << oh for those days, and those clients

00:15:31 BingoBoingo: Oh, look at this OpenSSH change: "sshd(8): UseDNS now defaults to 'no'. Configurations that match against the client host name (via sshd_config(5) or authorized_keys) may need to re-enable it or convert to matching against addresses." http://www.openbsd.org/57.html

00:15:32 assbot: OpenBSD 5.7 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q4pQvQ )

00:17:58 mircea_popescu: this is a good move neh ?

00:19:00 BingoBoingo: Yeah, Depreciate all the DNS

00:19:04 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform : at battle of manzikert, spy to ars aslan : "my sultan, the enemy army is approaching us". ars aslan : "then we are approaching them as well"

00:20:02 trinque: damn, that's a good quote.

00:21:36 mircea_popescu: guy's name is actually alp arslan, upon research. i misremembered.

00:23:53 ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: "deprecate"

00:23:57 ben_vulpes: non?

00:24:04 trinque: that's the one

00:24:33 BingoBoingo: Eh, happens

00:25:48 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2015#1115893 << "so, how's his english?" "pretty good, there's just this thing that happens where he occasionally says something that sounds entirely wrong and then the conversation moves on, and five minutes later I ask about it and turns out to be some throwaway joke in romanian or french or latin."

00:25:48 assbot: Logged on 29-04-2015 15:02:01; mircea_popescu: except my usage is np

00:27:26 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2015#1115921 << "law of leaky abstractions" hurts so much more in these scenarios...

00:27:26 assbot: Logged on 29-04-2015 15:11:30; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu forgot e) sane person adds kludge to enable some semblance of civilization to function, creating schizoid split and opening would that bleeds complexity

00:28:35 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2015#1115951 << iirc, my answer was "dunno, let's try"

00:28:35 assbot: Logged on 29-04-2015 15:32:11; mircea_popescu: at any rate, THIS is why i ask people "well, can you do it on a cpanel box" well before.

00:28:35 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: graham << was that from the 't' article ?

00:29:04 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: he did pull a normal box out of his sleeve later. it is now operational.

00:29:26 mike_c: mircea_popescu: thanks, but can't imagine what I would do with it. maybe ascii wants it :) https://www.fiverr.com/jakky91/draw-any-circuit-diagram-or-pcb-layout

00:29:27 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q4skKO )

00:29:54 asciilifeform: mike_c: ugh, i don't need spamchickens for anything whatsoever

00:30:12 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: aha

00:30:12 mike_c: he'll design your circuits for you! for $5!

00:30:16 ben_vulpes: benefits of complaining, i suppose

00:30:18 ben_vulpes: dood

00:30:27 ben_vulpes: i could have tacos delivered for like 4 months with that

00:30:32 mike_c: hehe

00:31:02 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i have slade's 't programming language' here. mega-book. recommended.

00:31:18 ben_vulpes: perhaps when you come visit, bring it for an extended loan if you're done

00:31:39 asciilifeform: it's for historical aficionados / lisp makers only, must warn

00:31:45 asciilifeform: does not describe a living animal

00:31:50 *: ben_vulpes shrugs

00:32:02 ben_vulpes: all i am actually good for is software archaeology after all

00:32:14 *: ben_vulpes considers the eerie parallel with his mothers work

00:32:31 asciilifeform: what was it ?

00:33:10 mike_c: fiverr call girl: https://www.fiverr.com/katiescarlett/talk-to-you-about-anything

00:33:11 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ExjzUn )

00:33:30 asciilifeform: how much of this exists anywhere other than the ads ?

00:33:41 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: "cultural anthropology"

00:34:30 ben_vulpes: as far as i can figure, guesses (liberally sprinked with CYA) about what people did, extrapolated from their middens

00:35:10 cazalla: i wonder how much tablet traffic is demmed mobile

00:35:13 *: ben_vulpes goes for another, smaller glass of chablis

00:35:53 cazalla: mt

00:36:40 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2015#1115973 << haw well now i hafta read it

00:36:40 assbot: Logged on 29-04-2015 16:08:37; mats: special appearance by brendafdez

00:36:54 asciilifeform: achtung, panzers:

00:37:17 asciilifeform: (in case this was not clear from yesterday's thread) please -do- throw keys to http://nosuchlabs.com .

00:37:18 assbot: Submit a GPG Public Key | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q4u8Du )

00:37:30 asciilifeform: as many as you like.

00:37:58 trinque: asciilifeform: ones that have already been phuctored or only new ones?

00:38:09 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes lolwut ?

00:38:14 trinque: I recall chatter about whether the db was getting imported

00:38:16 asciilifeform: trinque: ones that already have been, can be retested (push button on the page)

00:38:20 trinque: ok

00:38:23 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: what what?

00:38:34 asciilifeform: trinque: but otherwise, any

00:38:47 asciilifeform: (it will tell you if key has been seen before, also)

00:38:54 asciilifeform: or if individual moduli have been

00:39:00 asciilifeform: ... or their factors.

00:39:59 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes meanwhile i figured it out. you were quoting teh fox missus

00:40:39 ben_vulpes: close, but other meat

00:41:05 mircea_popescu: mike_c this, imo, sums up the general utility of "revolutionary websites". people don't want accounts on them even if given away with 200 dollars worth of credit attached.

00:41:27 asciilifeform: i can imagine that -someone- wants

00:41:29 asciilifeform: just not me

00:41:29 mircea_popescu: because they actually are a much larger damage than that. sort-of like insanity.

00:41:36 mircea_popescu: "would you like aids for 200 bucks ?" "noty"

00:42:03 cazalla: tyrone is the best fiverr merchant btw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miO8DPjSf78

00:42:04 assbot: Tyrone helps you check all your privileges. - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1c04Bgq )

00:42:20 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform or mike_c or anyone sane in the fucking head. or over the age of 30.

00:42:22 asciilifeform: i don't need 200 worth of caltrops either

00:42:32 asciilifeform: doesn't mean they're entirely useless

00:42:41 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how about half caltrops half bleach

00:42:44 ben_vulpes: i can put caltrops to work

00:42:46 ben_vulpes: and bleach

00:42:47 asciilifeform: now that - must.

00:42:59 asciilifeform: two tastes that go great together (TM) (R)

00:43:04 ben_vulpes: heh

00:43:06 ben_vulpes: yeah

00:43:28 ben_vulpes: this asshat on the road today rolled up behind myself and some staff on bikes, HONKED LOUDLY, and then moved into the (empty) oncoming traffic lane to pass us

00:43:49 trinque: ben_vulpes: was probably me, sorry!

00:43:51 trinque: :D

00:43:53 ben_vulpes: when i caught up to him at the stop light at the top of the hill, he had his phone out and was recording my endless tirade of abuse

00:44:06 ben_vulpes: naw ive seen your car it pollutes less and you're not nearly as fat as this old sack of shit

00:44:13 trinque: lol

00:44:22 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> achtung, panzers: << dawg i thought you were going to PUT THE ARCHIVE THROUGH IT ALREADY!!!1eleventyeleven

00:44:37 ben_vulpes: yeah where are the bunk keys hm?

00:44:48 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-04-2015#1117153 << see also

00:44:48 assbot: Logged on 30-04-2015 22:20:33; ascii_field: unrelated: that sks key mega-dump is in a ludicrous format - .gpg binary turds with 10,000s of pubkeys in each

00:45:20 ben_vulpes: arbeit macht frei

00:45:32 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes is volunteering for this chore ?

00:45:44 ben_vulpes: naw i have vino at hand and girls waiting at home

00:45:46 mircea_popescu: yeah, he is. he's volunteering you.

00:45:50 asciilifeform: l0l

00:46:04 ben_vulpes: the shop is empty so i'm drinking and naked

00:46:08 ben_vulpes: well not naked but close

00:46:09 mircea_popescu: o.O

00:46:18 mircea_popescu: people can be naked in the us ?

00:46:18 asciilifeform: why ben_vulpes is sitting in an empty shop ?

00:46:19 ben_vulpes: I'M DOING LAUNDRY OKAY

00:46:25 mircea_popescu: i thought you folk shower in the bag.

00:46:26 asciilifeform: rather than at home where there are chicks

00:46:48 ben_vulpes: because there are two monitors and one of the chicks isn't there yet and this wine isn't going to drink itself nor these logs read themselves

00:46:55 asciilifeform: 'tell mistress you're with wife, tell wife you're with mistress, go to lab, get some werk done' (tm) ?

00:47:01 ben_vulpes: p. much.

00:47:23 ben_vulpes: first the boxen, then and only then the chixxen

00:47:26 mircea_popescu: what do you call a wino in portland ?

00:47:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23200 @ 0.00025176 = 5.8408 BTC [+] {2}

00:47:28 mircea_popescu: a vino.

00:47:35 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: electronics hack night has been scheduled

00:47:47 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes built his adapter ?

00:48:01 ben_vulpes: nah, i have delegated the adapter to be brought to my face

00:48:27 ben_vulpes: myriad hackers are salivating over rocket

00:48:30 ben_vulpes: rocketplane*

00:48:49 asciilifeform: l0l essentially a dollar-store part

00:48:59 asciilifeform: (were it made in the usual way)

00:49:08 ben_vulpes: but this comes with provenance

00:49:13 ben_vulpes: i trust you, they trust me

00:49:20 asciilifeform: incidentally i ordered a tray baked today.

00:49:21 ben_vulpes: no microcontrollers on the board...

00:49:35 asciilifeform: (more detail in coming broadcast)

00:50:23 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2015#1116287 << i actually get visuals of mircea_popescu's face when i see ":D" from him nao

00:50:23 assbot: Logged on 29-04-2015 19:27:52; mircea_popescu: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/2785 << sometimes it fixes itself :D

00:50:55 mircea_popescu: lol.

00:51:55 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: seems like everyone i've spoken to thinks i oughta have bought the bayonet, luger, helmet, etc.

00:51:56 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117204 <<< but adblock is theft!

00:51:56 assbot: Logged on 01-05-2015 00:00:54; williamdunne: >Requests that you disable adblock

00:52:11 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-04-2015#1116481 << uh can i get a copy of the source and possibly some docs?

00:52:11 assbot: Logged on 30-04-2015 00:01:59; Pierre_Rochard: pacioli accounting software preview: http://pacio.li/FinancialStatements/IncomeStatement/BTC/Month/Current

00:52:19 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: sorry, do not follow

00:52:24 asciilifeform: at the flea market

00:52:29 ben_vulpes: ahaha

00:52:35 ben_vulpes: well what do they know

00:52:48 ben_vulpes: "more intertia is better!"

00:53:04 mircea_popescu: that's why bigger penis is better rite ?

00:53:10 asciilifeform: what i wonder is whether there are any 'krauts' left there or merely their gear.

00:53:25 ben_vulpes: and how much of that gear is even genuinely kraut

00:54:18 Pierre_Rochard: ben_vulpes: docs are forthcoming, I’ve added you to the repo: https://github.com/PierreRochard/pacioli

00:54:18 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q4xhDa )

00:54:30 ben_vulpes: ah jeez

00:54:38 ben_vulpes: what have i done

00:55:00 ben_vulpes: https://soundcloud.com/charlottejapp/12-house-of-bamboo

00:55:01 assbot: 12 House of Bamboo by charlottejapp | Free Listening on SoundCloud ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q4xpTp )

00:55:04 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117289 <<< soz but i do this, get off the road, can' t expect everyone to drive 30km/ph in a 60 zone because muh bikes

00:55:04 assbot: Logged on 01-05-2015 00:43:28; ben_vulpes: this asshat on the road today rolled up behind myself and some staff on bikes, HONKED LOUDLY, and then moved into the (empty) oncoming traffic lane to pass us

00:55:10 ben_vulpes: "pick yourself a kitten and listen to a platter...that rocks!"

00:55:44 mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyE_OiDVXCo

00:55:47 assbot: Der Königgrätzer Marsch - Berlin Tattoo - YouTube

00:55:58 cazalla: oncoming traffic lane is fine to use as an overtaking lane too, law allows for it but even without that..

00:56:48 ben_vulpes: no but the point is that the lane was entirely empty, so why fucking honk

00:56:57 ben_vulpes: just go around.

00:57:04 *: asciilifeform on narrow streets often wonders how much fuel enviro-bicyclists waste by slowing down columns of motor

00:57:45 cazalla: ben_vulpes, i dunno but most cyclists are passive aggressive pricks may as well join in with the honking

00:57:46 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: probably makes things better by reducing the "GO FAST NOW BRAKE AND WASTE ALL KE NOW HURRY UP AND ACCELERATE MYRIAD TONNES OF PLASTIC AGAIN" dynamic

00:57:49 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes nobody actually likes hipsters.

00:58:54 mircea_popescu: go by atomic submarine helicopter or go home.

00:59:00 asciilifeform: !b 2

00:59:01 assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1TWAYJX.txt )

00:59:10 asciilifeform: submacopter.

00:59:20 ben_vulpes: did you duct tape the submarine part to the heli part?

00:59:29 mircea_popescu: ITS ATOMIC

00:59:35 mircea_popescu: self-welds.

00:59:49 ben_vulpes: he's been derping on cpanel, i can see.

00:59:57 asciilifeform: bwwwwtzzz. (7Hz 'brown note' speaker on any decent atomic dirigible.)

01:00:07 asciilifeform: !s brown note

01:00:07 assbot: 2 results for 'brown note' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=brown+note

01:00:39 mircea_popescu: afaik brown note for us legion etrangere is "isis"

01:00:51 ben_vulpes: Pierre_Rochard: ever derp on "Manager"?

01:01:12 ben_vulpes: it's what we use at sj - can be beaten into whatever absurd demand i make of $bizpartner

01:01:23 Pierre_Rochard: ben_vulpes: nope, hadn’t heard of it, checking it out now

01:01:41 Pierre_Rochard: looks sleek

01:02:38 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-04-2015#1116715 << you probably grok entirely the advantage of that "tiny little keyboard" over touchscreens

01:02:38 assbot: Logged on 30-04-2015 13:42:00; mircea_popescu: on that litthe shitty keyboard ?

01:03:20 mircea_popescu: sure.

01:03:47 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-04-2015#1116751 << asciilifeform: the lotto tixx!

01:03:47 assbot: Logged on 30-04-2015 14:12:57; mircea_popescu: because that's what #5 does, practically : it offers a model to explain and understand the otherwise insane, and otherwise never explain, luxury behaviour.

01:04:19 asciilifeform: #5 aka 'the gods smile'

01:05:26 asciilifeform: but afaik most veblenism comes from misguided attempts to sate #1-4.

01:05:46 ben_vulpes: can i skip the whole WolfeGoethe thread?

01:06:01 mircea_popescu: you prolly read it before.

01:06:35 ben_vulpes: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CCHRQTVUoAAFnSw.png:large << heh. seems familiar, but the details are new

01:06:35 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1c09rtQ )

01:06:43 ben_vulpes: kudos a danielpbarron

01:07:01 Pierre_Rochard: ben_vulpes: not seeing how to customize manager, looks proprietary

01:07:56 ben_vulpes: oh entirely

01:08:13 ben_vulpes: this however is how management works

01:08:23 ben_vulpes: "beat that thing into submission and deliver what i've asked for"

01:08:50 asciilifeform: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CCHRQTVUoAAFnSw.png:large << missing element 'atomic dirigible'

01:08:51 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q4A6UO )

01:09:29 danielpbarron: i didn't make the thing / found on twitter

01:09:33 mircea_popescu: ahaha "unicorn polyamory" ?

01:09:39 asciilifeform: l0l what even.

01:09:42 mircea_popescu: gtfo, reddit. you don't get to classify the things other people do.

01:09:43 Pierre_Rochard: I’ll definitely be taking pointers from it, but end goal is tight integration with bitcoin wallets & APIs, and leaning on pgsql as much as possible. That’s what made greenfield a necessity

01:09:55 Pierre_Rochard: ^ ben_vulpes

01:09:57 ben_vulpes: Pierre_Rochard: nono ofc

01:10:03 ben_vulpes: asking out of curiosity

01:10:26 Pierre_Rochard: thanks for the tip though, definitely one of the rare accounting packages I didn’t find immediately revolting

01:10:27 ben_vulpes: great thing about -assets is the "rewrite everything" option

01:10:31 *: danielpbarron fits in with the blue rectangle in the top right excluded from the overlapping

01:10:34 ben_vulpes: it's actually halfway decent

01:10:58 ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: it's missing the dune/WoT polyamory

01:11:05 ben_vulpes: oh hey here's a notion

01:11:08 ben_vulpes: !s robert jordan

01:11:09 assbot: 0 results for 'robert jordan' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=robert+jordan

01:11:11 ben_vulpes: aha

01:11:16 ben_vulpes: epic mega series

01:11:24 asciilifeform: it is also missing the reddit category

01:12:06 ben_vulpes: yeah where is the voluntary celibacy box?

01:12:16 asciilifeform: 'voluntary-compulsory', to borrow a sovietism

01:12:22 mircea_popescu: lol

01:12:46 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron i can vouch for the fact that the classification's nonsensical by the plain observation that i'm all over the fucking map.

01:13:12 mircea_popescu: it looks like the elephant three people found in a dark room.

01:13:32 ben_vulpes: it's like one of those lolarious meyers briggs thing

01:13:53 ben_vulpes: anyone with two neurons rubbing together can make it barf whatever rating zhe desire

01:13:54 asciilifeform: the elephant three people found in a dark room << except that it isn't a whole elephant, but just head, minus tusks, left by poachers

01:14:06 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well sure.

01:14:16 mircea_popescu: there was no integrity promise made at any point.

01:14:27 mircea_popescu: ""the elephant" they found"

01:15:19 mircea_popescu: anyway, i will say for the record that all this "typficiation" bullshit, from the ntjx to the mti to everything else is ~strictly~ the result of lazy writing.

01:15:45 asciilifeform: !s borges encyclopaedia

01:15:46 assbot: 2 results for 'borges encyclopaedia' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=borges+encyclopaedia

01:15:46 *: ben_vulpes shutters lab

01:15:48 mircea_popescu: harlan e has a piece where he explains how people like hubbard were optimizing their workflow by - for instance - typing on rolls of butcher paper so as to not waste time changing sheets in typewriter

01:16:10 ben_vulpes: goodnight asshats

01:16:14 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: scrolling!

01:16:22 ben_vulpes: aha this one

01:16:23 mircea_popescu: this exact process is at work here - it becomes much easier to write the sort of pulp cultureless usians call "novels" by proceeding on one of these accounting paradigms

01:16:25 *: ben_vulpes really parts

01:16:40 mircea_popescu: practically speaking, commedia de larte

01:16:49 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: all of it being merely - early manually-cranked shannonizers.

01:17:06 mircea_popescu: poorly-er done. meanly-er done, actually, in the classical sense of mean ("of mean extraction")

01:17:34 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform exactly.

01:18:07 mircea_popescu: so... it's only useful if you're making two cents a word writing "young adult fiction" or whatever other "genre" bullshit, and need shorthand to keep track of your "characters"

01:18:57 mircea_popescu: of course contemporary usage is unpaid shanonizers (such as, reddit users), increasing the volume and decreasing the cost of their misrepresentations of their own social interactions.

01:19:21 mircea_popescu: which is technically a step below on the literary scale. i await with bated breath the next step underwater.

01:19:22 danielpbarron: the author of sex-diagram -> https://www.franklinveaux.com/ "This is the home of Franklin Veaux, a writer, computer consultant, polyamory and BDSM activist, sex educator, and sometimes amateur photographer. Over the years, I've built a more or less inadvertent Web empire, and this is the page that brings all my various Web sites together."

01:19:23 assbot: Welcome to FranklinVeaux.com! ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q4BXsV )

01:19:29 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for some time, i've wondered about earliest surviving example of shannonizer

01:19:52 asciilifeform: currently i believe it to be athanasius kircher's 'arca musarithmica'

01:19:53 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you ever read the torah ?

01:20:14 asciilifeform: sure. nothing directly analogous in there iirc

01:20:26 mircea_popescu: you gotta be kidding me.

01:20:27 asciilifeform: http://www.digicult.it/digimag/issue-055/athanasius-kircher-arca-musarithmica-and-many-sound-devices

01:20:30 assbot: Athanasius Kircher. Arca Musarithmica And Many Sound Devices - Digicult | Digital Art, Design and Culture : Digicult | Digital Art, Design and Culture ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q4CaMz )

01:21:13 mircea_popescu: "and then herpderp had perpmerp who lived to 105

01:21:22 mircea_popescu: and then perpmerp had foobar who lived to 103

01:21:24 mircea_popescu: and then..."

01:21:30 asciilifeform: sure, but that's a trivial example

01:21:34 mircea_popescu: soooo ?

01:21:42 asciilifeform: no mechanization, even of the 'napier's bones' variety, required.

01:21:51 asciilifeform: shannonizer necessarily includes some element of automation.

01:22:03 asciilifeform: (a schizo gibbering idiocy is not a shannonizer)

01:22:22 asciilifeform: any more than an expert swimmer is by implication a boat.

01:23:02 asciilifeform: re: this question i am interested in learning who was the first 'sailor' and what was his 'boat'.

01:23:02 mircea_popescu: hm.

01:23:12 mircea_popescu: astrology.

01:23:14 asciilifeform: presently i think it to be kircher.

01:23:43 asciilifeform: hm now that mircea_popescu mentions astrology,

01:23:49 mircea_popescu: srsly alf, shanonizing is a very old usage of language.

01:23:52 asciilifeform: probably the mega-winner of 'earliest' is chinese i-ching.

01:23:56 mircea_popescu: it drove it, in paralel with expression.

01:24:05 asciilifeform: (earliest surviving)

01:24:12 mircea_popescu: language is not the result of a single force, but of two, driving it in that left-right manner of driving splits in wood.

01:24:18 mircea_popescu: right.

01:24:22 mircea_popescu: brb

01:24:38 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is right about this - i invite readers to look into the basic types of aphasia

01:24:52 *: asciilifeform also brb

01:25:19 *: danielpbarron wrote a few I Ching divination pages in javascript

01:41:26 danielpbarron: !up bocobit

01:43:17 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron isn't that witchcraft ?

01:45:32 BingoBoingo: For shame, 768 bit RSA key from 2002 http://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xA8F0C01E3330EE4B

01:45:33 assbot: Public Key Server -- Get "0xa8f0c01e3330ee4b " ... ( http://bit.ly/1JEQ73d )

01:45:40 danielpbarron: not sure what it counts as, but I'm not into that stuff anymore / burned my yarrow stalks and books on i ching and tao te ching etc

01:46:44 danielpbarron: and the scripts are not hosted anywhere, although copies may still exist in a backup tar somewhere

01:46:56 mircea_popescu: Moduli Waiting for Test: 0 / me likes

01:55:57 mircea_popescu: http://okcunt.com/

01:56:00 assbot: OkCunt – ... ( http://bit.ly/1JEQTgo )

02:00:28 BingoBoingo: lolmail address http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CB903F51FBA526E9CC8227CD131377450BAA60C8C0AA0371263ECBE4AA361B5B

02:00:28 assbot: Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1JERdf9 )

02:01:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26800 @ 0.00024825 = 6.6531 BTC [-]

02:05:54 mircea_popescu: poor guy

02:05:56 mod6: haha

02:08:03 *: BingoBoingo is braintired, handfeeding phuctor

02:11:50 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo srsly, script it

02:11:53 mircea_popescu: not something to do by hand

02:12:10 mircea_popescu: scripting is also not hard. curl will do post calls

02:13:44 BingoBoingo: It's a kind of targeted subset of keys I'm feeding and there aren't too many

02:14:30 mircea_popescu: aite.

02:44:54 danielpbarron: mod6, "The Bitcoin Foundation would like bestow our sincerest thanks and gratitude" << like to* bestow ?

02:45:36 mod6: ah derp

02:46:32 mod6: well, at least im consistant. :] looks that way in all of

02:46:34 mod6: 'em

02:49:43 mod6: anyway, thanks, i'll update on the next months address.

02:50:28 asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> Moduli Waiting for Test: 0 / me likes << read werker.c to see how works.

02:54:09 decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-04-2015#1117125 < http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=30-03-2015#1079265

02:54:09 assbot: Logged on 30-04-2015 22:03:49; mircea_popescu: brilliant guy, inescapably stupid. what are you gonna do ? can't empower stupid. off to the gulag with him.

02:54:09 assbot: Logged on 30-03-2015 01:48:44; Adlai: deal with all situations. But whoever is stupid and industrious must be removed immediately." - Attributed, circa 1933; General Baron Kurt von Hammerstein-Equord (1878-1943); German Chief of Army Command (1930-33)

02:55:38 decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-04-2015#1116847 < I have a small collection of weimar paper

02:55:38 assbot: Logged on 30-04-2015 16:21:53; ascii_field: every country should have an exhibit of its 'zimbabwean' currencies

02:57:35 decimation: asciilifeform: http://lambda-diode.com/opinion/ecc-memory-2 < " Nevertheless, this means that when you buy a computer, you are playing "DIMM" (and motherboard) roulette . You have something like one chance in three to ten of getting a computer that will experience memory errors at the frightening frequencies (one every few days) that I talked about but attributed to cosmic rays, and that AMD talks about in their whitepaper . "

02:57:36 assbot: Updates on the need to use error-correcting memory ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q4SIUE )

02:57:49 decimation: ^good link for "why ecc" n00bs

02:58:18 asciilifeform: the fact that so many folks appear to get away with using non-ecc ram is proof that almost nothing that is presently done using pc, actually matters

02:58:27 decimation: although it seems that the cosmic rays might not be the major/primary cause of issues

02:58:33 asciilifeform: and/or that defects therein are successfully buried in the microshit sewers

02:58:51 decimation: asciilifeform: I was looking for a non-golden-toilet laptop with ecc today

02:58:52 decimation: doesn't exist

02:58:55 asciilifeform: decimation: it's far more often radioactive decay in the materials of which the machine itself is made

02:58:59 asciilifeform: rather than cosmic-anything

02:59:07 decimation: yeah that's the old-school explanation

02:59:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32800 @ 0.00026382 = 8.6533 BTC [+]

02:59:53 decimation: supposedly back when ram cells were larger (larger targets) the ram manufacturers took care to ensure that their cases were low alpha emitters

03:00:03 decimation: and also sealed the silicon in a layer of protective coating

03:00:56 decimation: anyway, given how cheap and easy it is to use ecc ram, it does seem rather laughable that folks don't use

03:02:31 asciilifeform: http://www.electronics-related.com/showthread/sci.electronics.design/426906-2.php << related (2nd post from end)

03:02:32 assbot: sci.electronics.design | cellphone camera as radiation detector| page 2 ... ( http://bit.ly/1zwuQp4 )

03:02:59 asciilifeform: re: how, famously, semiconductor folks used to buy up medieval lead roofs from cathedrals, etc. to get low-rad material

03:03:42 decimation: there are some links to industry papers written mainly in the 70's-80's

03:03:48 asciilifeform: mention of xilinx is especially on the point because a bit-flip in fpga routing fabric is catastrophic

03:03:52 asciilifeform: almost without exception.

03:03:53 decimation: strangely no one even seems to think of this as being an issue anymore

03:04:03 decimation: heh yeah certainly would be

03:04:11 asciilifeform: it 'doesn't matter' because the 'people' sitting on the machines don't matter.

03:04:14 asciilifeform: you can take this to the bank.

03:05:11 decimation: certainly a strong argument

03:05:11 asciilifeform: also note that pb was forbidden

03:05:28 asciilifeform: (now we get tin whiskers, joy)

03:05:47 asciilifeform: again, because 'the result doesn't matter' is the secret thought.

03:06:22 asciilifeform: for machines that matter - usg jet fighters, etc. - not only pb but enviro-whiner 'atrocities' like halon are permitted.

03:06:48 decimation: yeah

03:06:59 asciilifeform: there is probably a tank of mortal baby seal tears in an f-22. etc

03:07:11 decimation: and 'big iron' servers have ecc, raid as standard features

03:07:58 asciilifeform: i consider a box without ecc and some level of redundant storage - a toy, not computer

03:08:47 decimation: I took a cpr class today, relatively simple AED electronics cost > $1k

03:08:58 asciilifeform: golden toilet.

03:09:06 decimation: partially for the liability, but partially also because the design is actually expected to work

03:09:17 asciilifeform: go price a 'medical grade' power supply. just ac-dc brick, any voltage.

03:09:34 decimation: heh yeah. same for anything on an aircraft

03:10:54 asciilifeform: it is a function of the expected net worth of the purchaser

03:11:06 asciilifeform: and has nothing whatsoever to do with physical internals

03:12:00 decimation: well, more like a function of the probability of being sued for arbitrary liability

03:12:13 asciilifeform: decimation: where did the 'breathalyzer' lawsuit go?

03:12:15 asciilifeform: magicked away.

03:12:32 decimation: for example: http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2015/03/14/why-you-shouldnt-sell-any-product-to-an-american-mu-2-crash-in-oklahoma/

03:12:33 assbot: Philip Greenspun's Weblog » Why you shouldn’t sell any product to an American (MU-2 crash in Oklahoma) ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q4V9qr )

03:13:01 decimation: " for example. If we take the last five minutes of flight as critical due to the proximity to the ground, the lawsuit essentially says that it is more likely that a 1 in 756,000 probability event occurred (engine shutdown during a randomly selected five-minute block of operation time) than that a pilot with virtually no turbine experience or experience with the MU-2 crashed the notoriously tricky airplane through pilot error. "

03:13:19 asciilifeform: re: servers: it is interesting to consider what kind of reliability mechanics would be standard (like ecc is) if microshit and unix did not exist to make a gigantic software shitter in which to hide hardware flukes

03:13:34 asciilifeform: 'tandem' voting circuits, etc. would probably be SOP

03:13:49 asciilifeform: (if -any- failure could be reliably pinned on softs)

03:13:56 asciilifeform: hards, rather

03:14:06 decimation: actually, much more sophisticated techniques exist

03:14:28 decimation: somehow hard drives are allowed to have their own computers, so they implement advanced ldpc codes

03:14:34 asciilifeform: all such techniques are fundamentally and provably variations on same theme

03:15:03 decimation: sure. somehow ram didn't escape the reach of the microshit von neumann machine, but hard disk did

03:15:05 asciilifeform: (or scams, of course. no shortage of this)

03:15:23 asciilifeform: hard disk is running turdware since when, '04 ?

03:15:29 asciilifeform: there are known bugs in hdd firmware

03:15:36 asciilifeform: (not even speaking of satanic influence here)

03:15:49 decimation: sure, but it's not directly visible, unlike cpu/ram interface

03:16:06 asciilifeform: quite visible when they drop out of a raid for no discernible reason

03:16:23 asciilifeform: and then happily pop back in

03:16:52 decimation: heh yeah raid controllers are their own world if crazy too

03:18:12 decimation: does there exist a completely open firmware for a raid controller?

03:18:35 asciilifeform: not afaik.

03:18:43 decimation: yeah I've never hear of it either

03:18:59 asciilifeform: nor is any raid chipset, afaik, documented to anything like the necessary level.

03:19:27 asciilifeform: (go put one through disasm, if you can figure out the architecture. it's a morass of magical values being written to magical registers for magical reasons)

03:20:21 asciilifeform: ditto nics, gpu, etc.

03:20:24 asciilifeform: the whole shit soup.

03:20:58 asciilifeform: but i think this is, at this point, known to virtually everyone.

03:20:59 decimation: and also try moving the drives from one controller to another (even same make and model)

03:26:52 asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2015-info/nyc-police/nyc-police.htm << mega-l0l

03:26:53 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q4XzFw )

03:27:44 decimation: they hardly look like baltimore residents

03:28:01 asciilifeform: new york

03:28:12 asciilifeform: 'solidarity'

03:28:15 decimation: lol

03:29:05 asciilifeform: speaking of 'cryptome',

03:29:15 asciilifeform: the whole snowden thing seems to have been quietly multiplied by 0, and nobody noticed.

03:29:52 decimation: asciilifeform: apparently the story was suddenly uninteresting

03:30:08 asciilifeform: certainly uninteresting, when no new papers

03:30:56 decimation: the interesting point will be to see if anyone even mentions it in the presidential campaign

03:31:09 asciilifeform: they can mention what they want:

03:31:19 asciilifeform: j. carter promised to 'reveal' aliens at 'area-51' in his campaign.

03:32:01 asciilifeform: !s if you ask again there will be problems

03:32:02 assbot: 1 results for 'if you ask again there will be problems' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=if+you+ask+again+there+will+be+problems

03:32:07 asciilifeform: ^ the legend

03:32:19 BingoBoingo: If I recall Clitler in the 1990's promised to press her husband to do similar

03:33:31 decimation: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/29/us/baltimore-riots.html?_r=1 < more lol "Near the burned-out CVS, Robert Wilson, a college student who went to high school in Baltimore, said: “With the riots, we’re not trying to act like animals or thugs. We’re just angry at the surroundings, like this is all that is given to us, and we’re tired of this, like nobody wants to wake up and see broken-down buildings. They take away the

03:33:33 assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1EV1EdD )

03:33:33 decimation: community centers, they take away our fathers, and now we have traffic lights that don’t work, we have houses that are crumbling, falling down.”"

03:34:24 asciilifeform: decimation: this specific idiocy was articulated as early as 1952 in ellison's 'invisible man'

03:34:32 decimation: "this is all that is given to us"

03:34:45 asciilifeform: in, iirc (school was long ago) specifically these wordfs

03:34:47 asciilifeform: *words

03:35:50 asciilifeform: to chimp (of whatever colour upholstery) his surroundings merely 'happen' to him, they are 'given', yes.

03:36:10 asciilifeform: or 'taken away'

03:36:19 decimation: and apparently any unwanted changes can easily be explained by the evil conspiracy of 'they'

03:39:22 asciilifeform: t. dalrymple (see logs) had many wonderful stories of his patients (he was a prison shrink for some years) who saw police, judges, etc. as malevolent martians persecuting them 'for no reason at all'

03:40:02 decimation: this is a common failure mode even for folks outside jail

03:40:37 decimation: of course, the deep expectation is that the world ought to be a red carpet, upon which said paranoid ought to be able to trample at leisure

03:40:41 BingoBoingo: decimation: In East St Louis there are Stop Signs mounted to the traffic control lights

03:41:16 asciilifeform: decimation: paranoia is not really the magic here, in most cases - more like standard narcissism as painted by tlp

03:41:26 decimation: yeah, good point

03:41:48 decimation: BingoBoingo: is there even much traffic there?

03:41:58 BingoBoingo: decimation: lots

03:42:41 asciilifeform: 'in a bad neighbourhood, what specifically is bad? is it the concrete, glass, steel?' -- ilkka kokkarinen

03:43:02 decimation: http://www.isegoria.net/2015/04/baltimore-cop-in-the-hood/ < "Of course, another thing is that most people who can leave have left. And so, in these pockets, how can you have good community relations when a substantial number of people are actively or passively involved in crime? I think there are a lot of cops that just say, “Fuck ‘em, they want burn their neighborhood, let ‘em.” But on the other hand, the cops are out there

03:43:03 assbot: Baltimore Cop in the Hood « Isegoria ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q50xKe )

03:43:03 decimation: putting their lives on the line to save their city."

03:43:47 decimation: BingoBoingo: apparently the wise masters who run east st. louis have better things upon which to spend their tax dollars/bonds/whatever

03:44:08 decimation: couple $10k for a traffic light just doesn't rate

03:44:32 asciilifeform: 'A former Baltimore cop explains things: ... The same idiots who burned shit down Monday, they?re gonna be there today and tomorrow. The cops are always dealing with them, whether they?re burning things down or not. They?re always there.'

03:45:03 asciilifeform: ^ betcha many of these cops would -love- to close a perimeter around these snakepits and shoot everything that moves, for sport.

03:45:10 decimation: sure

03:45:15 asciilifeform: the folks currently preventing them from acting on this desire - are the actual rulers.

03:45:18 decimation: "We tell them to do the best they can, and then when an individual cop messes up, everybody blames the police. And cops feel strangely victimized by this system — they’re put in the middle and used as political tools."

03:45:30 asciilifeform: we will know when usg falls, when this magical barrier disappears.

03:45:34 decimation: asciilifeform: quite so, high level civil servants, press, etc

03:45:48 asciilifeform: decimation: nah. the federal gendarmerie

03:46:00 decimation: ^warning to people who want to enter the us police chumpatron

03:48:09 decimation: asciilifeform: what composes the 'federal gendarmerie'? fbi?

04:06:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00025296 = 3.3391 BTC [-]

04:10:31 decimation: heh http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2015/04/30/american-optimism-on-parade-at-the-fed/

04:10:32 assbot: Philip Greenspun's Weblog » American optimism on parade at the Fed ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q55pPk )

04:51:25 mircea_popescu: prolly going to be an endless parade as we enter into the last phase. buffett started it.

04:52:23 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117518 << this. people have nfi what level of radiation counts as "background". if cosmic rays were as energetic as you know, actual matter ? we'd have serious problems. and some pretty kickass satellites.

04:52:23 assbot: Logged on 01-05-2015 02:58:55; asciilifeform: decimation: it's far more often radioactive decay in the materials of which the machine itself is made

04:52:39 mircea_popescu: cosmic ray powered space excavators and steamrollers.

04:55:42 mircea_popescu: decimation : all it takes is for the entire "law enforcement" thing to be broken once. its own manzikert moment.

04:57:41 mircea_popescu: "On the optimism bias, while I?ve known that these numbers have been consistently too optimistic, I always assumed that the senior leadership of the fed had access to the real data, and the numbers put out for the public were heavily, well, decorated."

04:57:52 mircea_popescu: apparently the double accounting thing is obvious by now.

05:10:17 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117574 << shit, i've seen .jar based raid controllers. HARDWARE raid controllers.

05:10:17 assbot: Logged on 01-05-2015 03:18:35; asciilifeform: not afaik.

05:14:12 mircea_popescu: http://cryptome.org/2015-info/nyc-police/pict13.jpg << wtf is this zulu bullshit ?

05:14:13 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JdAJHA )

05:19:01 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117611 << it'd help a lot if it simply abstained from getting in the way.

05:19:01 assbot: Logged on 01-05-2015 03:40:37; decimation: of course, the deep expectation is that the world ought to be a red carpet, upon which said paranoid ought to be able to trample at leisure

05:19:57 mircea_popescu: that's perhaps the true subtext there. "they told me not to grab womyn butt. okay, i don't. they told me not to hunt deer off the highway. ok, i don't. they told me not to make fire indoors. alright. and i don't smoke either, and apparently coke is bad. i liked coke but whatever.

05:20:09 mircea_popescu: HOWEVER they also promised all sorts of shit. in exchange. where is it ?"

05:21:17 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117617 << yes. most of the us, like most of mongolia, like poor india, is specifically bad because bad climate, horrible buildings, vastly misused concrete, steel, etc.

05:21:17 assbot: Logged on 01-05-2015 03:42:41; asciilifeform: 'in a bad neighbourhood, what specifically is bad? is it the concrete, glass, steel?' -- ilkka kokkarinen

05:21:52 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117618 << this is the africa problem.

05:21:52 assbot: Logged on 01-05-2015 03:43:02; decimation: http://www.isegoria.net/2015/04/baltimore-cop-in-the-hood/ < "Of course, another thing is that most people who can leave have left. And so, in these pockets, how can you have good community relations when a substantial number of people are actively or passively involved in crime? I think there are a lot of cops that just say, “Fuck ‘em, they want burn their neighborhood, let ‘em.” But on the othe

05:22:08 mircea_popescu: africa doesn't suck because "black people suck". africa sucks because africa is the people who were left behind.

05:22:13 mircea_popescu: the people left behind always suck.

05:36:10 mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcQSLJHpwCA

05:36:11 assbot: Shit White Girls Say To Latinas - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FBEGqw )

06:57:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66600 @ 0.00026185 = 17.4392 BTC [+]

07:17:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8350 @ 0.00026185 = 2.1864 BTC [+]

07:39:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8750 @ 0.00026382 = 2.3084 BTC [+]

09:28:00 jurov: https://twitter.com/CasaRosadaAR/status/593584932485779457 heh, they have no idea

09:28:02 assbot: Apparently bitcoin is disrupting our economy now (?) https://t.co/8anSj29Nre

09:35:48 chetty: Its election season, must have vultures to blame

09:38:01 wyrdmantis: jurov: funny how many people don't understand what "disrupting" actually means

09:56:36 wyrdmantis: the KnC Nasdaq thing http://xbtprovider.com/lang_en/

09:56:37 assbot: XBT Provider ... ( http://bit.ly/1E1ilxi )

10:00:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32887 @ 0.00026452 = 8.6993 BTC [+]

10:02:05 wyrdmantis: more wallet inspectors http://www.wired.com/2015/04/circle-bitcoin-digital-wallet/

10:02:06 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1E1iLUp )

10:10:39 jurov: http://www.coindesk.com/remove-satoshi-as-founding-member-says-bitcoin-foundation-director/

10:10:40 assbot: Remove Satoshi as Founding Member, Says Bitcoin Foundation Director ... ( http://bit.ly/1E1jN2D )

10:10:47 jurov: yes these are biggest problems phoudation has to fix first

10:15:42 wyrdmantis: LOL let's talk about superman's suit color

10:16:54 jurov: http://ftalphaville.ft.com/2015/04/30/2127543/meet-the-company-that-wants-to-put-a-bitcoin-miner-in-your-toaster/ also,look who's trying to replicate the pogoplug

10:16:56 assbot: Meet the company that wants to put a bitcoin miner in your toaster | FT Alphaville ... ( http://bit.ly/1E1ktVI )

10:17:25 jurov: (i know miner and node is not the same thing but could not resist)

11:40:02 davout: asciilifeform: so i have finally acquired a dedicated SSD and a euro-plug adapter for the pogo, where do i start?

11:40:07 davout: my goal when setting up the pogo is to end up with a full walkthrough that looks roughly like this -> http://www.ikea.com/fr/fr/assembly_instructions/stuva-grundlig-corbeille-en-fil__AA-420855-2_pub.PDF

11:40:09 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GLpF4j )

13:03:02 Pierre_Rochard: ;;later tell davout http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-04-2015#1116638 I’ve added you to the github repo, I’ll pull together install instructions over the weekend

13:03:02 assbot: Logged on 30-04-2015 09:25:48; davout: ;;later tell Pierre_Rochard /me is pretty interested

13:03:03 gribble: The operation succeeded.

14:20:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22200 @ 0.00026942 = 5.9811 BTC [+]

14:34:57 mircea_popescu: !up RockHoster_

14:44:27 RockHoster_: any admin

14:44:28 RockHoster_: ??

14:45:28 mircea_popescu: 'sthematter ?

14:45:40 RockHoster_: https://en.bitcoin.it/w/index.php?title=Comparison_of_VPS_providers

14:45:42 assbot: Comparison of VPS providers - Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ivx8Xk )

14:45:44 RockHoster_: I want to discuss about this page.

14:45:51 mircea_popescu: ok ?

14:46:09 RockHoster_: Are you admin ?

14:46:23 williamdunne: We can be

14:46:26 williamdunne: Its a wiki page

14:46:35 RockHoster_: WHy is it removed

14:46:35 mircea_popescu: admin of what ? bitcoin ? the wiki you linked ? the dns system ?

14:46:37 RockHoster_: ??

14:46:38 mircea_popescu: gotta be specific.

14:46:50 RockHoster_: moderator of bitcoin.it

14:46:53 williamdunne: This page has been deleted. The deletion and move log for the page are provided below for reference.

14:46:53 williamdunne: 13:56, 5 April 2015 Taras (Talk | contribs) deleted page Comparison of VPS providers (content was: "{{PfD|Nobody is willing to frequently update it. It's completely useless and misleading.}} {{outdated}} VPS price comparison. Cheapest plans are shown. Based on list of providers that accept...")

14:47:16 mircea_popescu: if i recall, Luke-Jr was admining that thing

14:47:16 RockHoster_: Is it possible to remake this page ??

14:47:24 williamdunne: Yes, its a wiki

14:47:33 williamdunne: I'll do it for you if you'd like for a price

14:47:56 RockHoster_: What price ?

14:48:01 mircea_popescu: williamdunne afaik they restricted new accounts because nobody was giving a shit and there was too much spam

14:48:17 williamdunne: And a monthly maintaining price ofc to keep it up to date

14:48:25 williamdunne: mircea_popescu: I have an account already

14:48:42 RockHoster_: I also have a account with editing rights

14:48:46 williamdunne: RockHoster_: 4 BTC initial, 1 BTC per/month after that to keep it up to date

14:48:52 williamdunne: You can't edit it though or it would be shilling

14:49:02 mircea_popescu: o look at that, 50 changes this month. including tonal.

14:49:07 mats: i loled

14:49:34 williamdunne: If its worth enough for you to come here, the price should be worth it. Not surprised that it drove a fair bit of traffic

14:49:46 RockHoster_: Why was this deleted ?

14:49:54 williamdunne: Because no one was keeping it up to date

14:49:54 mircea_popescu: who's taras anyway

14:50:03 williamdunne: Apparently people like being paid for work

14:50:12 mircea_popescu: williamdunne the two propositions are contradictory neh ?

14:50:16 RockHoster_: I can keep it up to date

14:50:41 williamdunne: RockHoster_: You don't qualify as a neutral source

14:50:49 mats: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-01/gold-manipulator-busted-after-zero-hedge-report-hft-gold-spoofing

14:50:49 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ivy3Hf )

14:50:53 RockHoster_: I stay online for more than 8 hours daily

14:51:07 williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Yeah, true. Although this page is a particularly awkward one to upkeep

14:51:14 mircea_popescu: anyway, RockHoster_ : https://en.bitcoin.it/w/index.php?title=Special:ListUsers&group=sysop

14:51:17 assbot: User list - Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ivy91C )

14:51:17 williamdunne: RockHoster_: Doesn't change your neutrality

14:52:06 RockHoster_: So I can't moderate page

14:52:36 williamdunne: No

14:53:06 RockHoster_: What can I do if I want to be moderator of that page ?

14:53:12 mircea_popescu: mats twist : he was manipulating it UP

14:53:39 williamdunne: RockHoster_: You can't, because you're not neutral. You need someone to do it for you

14:53:45 williamdunne: Not a hard concept

14:53:54 williamdunne: And they can't be biased towards you ofc

14:53:59 mircea_popescu: the weird wales has wrounght on the interwebs.

14:54:25 mircea_popescu: RockHoster_ were you one of the participants in the "fight to be on the top" ?

14:54:36 RockHoster_: Seriously I don't have 1 BTC to pay somebody

14:54:38 RockHoster_: to manage

14:54:55 williamdunne: Well then don't, I offered my personal price. Take it or leave it

14:55:06 williamdunne: And its 4 BTC upfront, then 1 per month after that

14:55:11 RockHoster_: How can I trust you ?

14:55:21 mircea_popescu: RockHoster_ looky here : the REASON you don't have 1 btc to throw away is that you're spedning your time trying to manipulate an obscure wiki nobody gives a shit about.

14:55:22 williamdunne: !gettrust williamdunne

14:55:22 assbot: Trust relationship from user williamdunne to user williamdunne: ∞ | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/williamdunne/

14:55:33 mircea_popescu: stop wasting your time, do something useful, you'll have plenty o' money eventually.

14:55:46 williamdunne: RockHoster_: http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/williamdunne/

14:55:47 assbot: williamdunne WoT Overview - Btc Alpha ... ( http://bit.ly/1IvyZvh )

14:56:08 mircea_popescu: in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/e655795aa8cfab5ea7bde62c9aa0e2e9/tumblr_mhrf3nPRgN1r21xm5o1_1280.jpg

14:56:10 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ivz41V )

14:56:14 RockHoster_: What benefit will I get ??

14:56:22 RockHoster_: I shhould say

14:56:26 RockHoster_: special benefit

14:56:37 RockHoster_: If I pay you 1 BTC ??

14:56:42 williamdunne: RockHoster_: You'll be on the list, you get no "special" benefit. I can't be biased towards you I will be neutral

14:56:46 mircea_popescu: sigh

14:56:49 mircea_popescu: !down RockHoster_

14:56:55 davout: mircea_popescu: ty

14:57:08 mircea_popescu: this world an' teh people in it...

14:57:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4954 @ 0.00026503 = 1.313 BTC [-]

14:57:33 mircea_popescu: williamdunne how the fuck are you going to make a neutral list of "vps hosters" anyway.

14:57:40 mircea_popescu: might as well sort seashells by size.

14:57:53 williamdunne: Google a bunch of them, put their location and offerings on the list

14:58:08 mircea_popescu: a) they're all the same size and b) every tide washes more in.

14:58:36 mircea_popescu: i was under the impression "vps hosting" is the new "unlimited shared hosting" thing of the 2000s.

14:59:06 williamdunne: Before I think it was data allowance, price, location and if they allow tor or not

15:06:11 mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats

15:06:25 gribble: Current Blocks: 354509 | Current Difficulty: 4.761056451347126E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 354815 | Next Difficulty In: 306 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 2 hours, 18 minutes, and 4 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None

15:06:39 mircea_popescu: dat none...

15:07:50 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117664 << i'd love nothing more than to disrupt their economy to the point they're left begging on street corners.

15:07:50 assbot: Logged on 01-05-2015 09:35:48; chetty: Its election season, must have vultures to blame

15:07:53 mircea_popescu: it's slow going.

15:09:08 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117673 << it's funny tho, all the fraudulent pretense. "oh, a guy we never met is a founding director, because we wish to have the implication of legitimacy that would offer. next we make george washington founding director, and edit his wikipedia to say he founded the us and our turd"

15:09:08 assbot: Logged on 01-05-2015 10:10:47; jurov: yes these are biggest problems phoudation has to fix first

15:09:48 mircea_popescu: davout Pierre_Rochard iirc danielpbarron has a write-up somewhere.

15:13:51 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117344 << always has been, always will be.

15:13:51 assbot: Logged on 01-05-2015 00:53:04; mircea_popescu: that's why bigger penis is better rite ?

15:14:24 pete_dushenski: despite the practical limitations, it's still cool to be ginormous.

15:15:40 pete_dushenski: sorta like that louis ck bit about young black comics just being way, way fucking cooler than he could ever be

15:17:24 mats: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-04-24/why-nav-sarao-had-be-destroyed-he-found-way-beat-hfts-their-own-game also good zh

15:17:25 assbot: Why Nav Sarao Had To Be Destroyed: He Found A Way To Beat The HFTs At Their Own Game | Zero Hedge ... ( http://bit.ly/1IvCSAi )

15:21:08 pete_dushenski: !s edgerouter

15:21:09 assbot: 19 results for 'edgerouter' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=edgerouter

15:21:39 pete_dushenski: ^has anyone set one of these up with freebsd using instructions other than those found here ? http://rtfm.net/FreeBSD/ERL/

15:21:40 assbot: FreeBSD 10.x on Ubiquiti EdgeRouter Lite ... ( http://bit.ly/1IvDDt4 )

15:21:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80450 @ 0.00026836 = 21.5896 BTC [+] {2}

15:22:10 pete_dushenski: or using serial comm software other than minicom ??

15:23:52 Pierre_Rochard: mircea_popescu: install instructions relating to my accounting software, not pogo/bitcoin

15:24:22 pete_dushenski: ;;later tell decimation did you set up your edgerouter in osx ? if so, did you also have issues with minicom ?

15:24:22 gribble: The operation succeeded.

15:26:32 *: pete_dushenski will be using ubuntu in next edgerouter set-up attempt.

15:26:45 pete_dushenski: goddam you osx !

15:27:23 mats: why ubuntu?

15:27:41 pete_dushenski: why not ?

15:29:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32050 @ 0.00026942 = 8.6349 BTC [+]

15:30:05 danielpbarron: !s nigbuntu

15:30:06 assbot: 12 results for 'nigbuntu' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=nigbuntu

15:31:12 mats: i've rarely had a good experience with ubuntu

15:33:20 pete_dushenski: mats: but not never !

15:33:26 mats: basically, at work my team has a "you break it, we fix it" policy

15:33:40 pete_dushenski: i'm just trying to set up this edgerouter with freebsd. nothing else.

15:33:42 mats: i spend a non trivial amount of time debugging ubuntu desktops whenever people break it

15:33:50 mats: its hellish, man

15:34:28 mats: this week, a guy broke his entire network stack by trying to install bluetooth drivers

15:35:38 pete_dushenski: serves him right ?

15:35:56 pete_dushenski: wtf does anyone seriously need bluetooth for, talking while driving ?

15:36:11 pete_dushenski: 'wireless' speakers

15:36:23 mats: i never figured out why, but the kernel seemed convinced there was a hardware switch thrown someplace

15:36:43 *: mats needs to read the linux kernel

15:36:56 danielpbarron: pete_dushenski, oh you mean use ubuntu on the machine from which you are connecting to the edgerouter/

15:37:00 mats: he had wireless headphones he wanted to use at his desk

15:37:12 pete_dushenski: danielpbarron: that, yes.

15:37:51 pete_dushenski: mats: i don't see the appeal of wireless headphones, mostly because they're another thing to charge with another cable

15:37:58 danielpbarron: not so bad; i used ubuntu to do that with pogo for my first attempted after soldering the serial thing onto it

15:38:12 pete_dushenski: more battery management, which is what 'modern lyf' seems to reduce to.

15:38:43 pete_dushenski: danielpbarron: i figure it's worth a shot seeing as how i'm at a bit of a dead end with osx

15:38:49 danielpbarron: you should better learn gentoo or something though

15:39:11 danielpbarron: it's just a matter of opening a serial console or whatever?

15:39:17 ben_vulpes: gentoo quest!

15:39:21 ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: gentoo quest

15:40:17 pete_dushenski: danielpbarron: that's where i'm at, yes. serial comm software 'minicom' doesn't want to work.

15:40:30 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: this *will* happen.

15:40:48 danielpbarron: can you try to use screen instead?

15:41:00 danielpbarron: idk if screen has a port for os x

15:41:47 mats: i like the idea of wireless headphones but the bluetooth stack is horribly damaged

15:42:01 danielpbarron: i'm reading the thing you pasted, and the instructions are very similar to adulterating a pogo

15:42:08 pete_dushenski: http://screen-osx.sourceforge.net/ ??

15:42:09 assbot: SourceForge.net: Screen-OSX - Project Web Hosting - Open Source Software ... ( http://bit.ly/1EARtYp )

15:42:20 mats: Fun fact: the BLE (Bluetooth Low Energy) spec provides three key exchange mechanisms, two of the three which do not provide any passive eavesdropping protection

15:42:56 mats: so... given that the out of band key exchange is the most difficult to implement, that's effectively a selective backdoor.

15:43:16 ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: forgive my late arrival to the thread, but why are we talking about screen on os x?

15:43:50 pete_dushenski: as an alternative to minicom for serial communication between desktop and edgerouter

15:43:56 ben_vulpes: aha

15:44:09 mats: another fun fact: Android doesn't seem to implement the only BLE key exchange mechanism not vulnerable to eavesdropping.

15:44:11 ben_vulpes: sounds annoying and complicated

15:44:36 pete_dushenski: setting up the edgerouter with freebsd is proving to be exactly that!

15:44:51 pete_dushenski: but i shan't give in just yet.

15:44:53 danielpbarron: does your serial adapter show up in /dev/ ?

15:45:03 danielpbarron: because that's the most annoying part really

15:45:10 ben_vulpes: ah yeah, but that's annoying and complicated with a future, unlike your current "dead end"

15:45:18 ben_vulpes: anyways don't let me distract you :P

15:45:47 pete_dushenski: heh

15:46:25 pete_dushenski: danielpbarron: good question...

15:46:44 danielpbarron: "A collection of scripts that work together to manage multiple invocations of GNU Screen to overcome some of its limitations on Mac OS X."

15:48:05 danielpbarron: for me, serial adapter is only accessible as root, although i think i read somewhere there are things you can do to make it work for other users

15:48:55 danielpbarron: and that thing i just quoted makes it sound like screen is already on OS X; try typing screen --version in your terminal

15:48:57 pete_dushenski: danielpbarron: just checked. /dev/cu.usbserial shows up.

15:49:23 pete_dushenski: 'Screen version 4.00.03 (FAU) 23-Oct-06'

15:49:26 danielpbarron: once you have screen, it's as easy as typing screen /dev/cu.usbserial 115200

15:50:22 danielpbarron: 115200 is the baud rate

15:50:53 pete_dushenski: tried. 'no such file or directory'

15:51:35 danielpbarron: for me, the serial adapter is numbered

15:51:52 danielpbarron: like /dev/ttyUSB0

15:52:36 danielpbarron: i'm surprised it says the file doesn't exist when you say you saw it in /dev/

15:53:29 pete_dushenski: i'm as confused as anyone !

15:56:27 danielpbarron: if you do wind up using ubuntu, the live cd is suitable ; you can even "install" screen to the temporary system without actually writing to your hard drive

16:07:17 pete_dushenski: okie dokie, pete the n00b might've just isolated the issue...

16:07:54 pete_dushenski: instead of establishing a serial connection with 'edgeos' first, i installed freebsd on the usb drive first

16:08:24 pete_dushenski: so unconfigured freebsd has no way of talking to minicom or anything else. it's just a file on a drive.

16:08:30 pete_dushenski: a fucktard is me.

16:08:52 pete_dushenski: now to see if i can re-install edgeos and start over :)

16:10:04 davout: danielpbarron: so, do you have instructions on how to set up the pogo? does it necessarily imply soldering wizardry?

16:11:35 ben_vulpes: davout: danielpbarron.com/pogo/howto.txt

16:11:58 davout: ben_vulpes: ty

16:14:34 davout: hrm.. i was under the impression it was possible to somehow re-flash the pogo from a simple USB stick without soldering anything

16:14:49 davout: maybe i misunderstood something

16:24:22 danielpbarron: no soldering necessary

16:24:57 davout: haha, ok nice, guess i'm going to put the pogo back together then :-)

16:25:35 danielpbarron: as long as you don't botch the re-flash, it should be possible to do everything over ethernet

16:27:32 davout: ok, sounds much better wrt industrializing their setup

16:29:09 davout: so the first thing i should do is try to access it through SSH, and work from there, right?

16:32:14 danielpbarron: yes

16:32:53 danielpbarron: the thing has a built in method for turning on ssh without any extreme modifications, and from there you can do all else

16:33:20 davout: yeah, the curl bit if i understand correctly

16:35:28 pete_dushenski: lulz. $lnkd -25% on the week. go social media go !

16:47:05 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

16:48:18 BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/05/bitgo-files-multisig-patent-application-joining-other-bitcoin-patent-parasites/

16:48:19 assbot: BitGo Files MultiSig Patent Application Joining Other Bitcoin Patent Parasites | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1KA9ech )

16:48:20 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117786 << i did

16:48:20 assbot: Logged on 01-05-2015 15:21:39; pete_dushenski: ^has anyone set one of these up with freebsd using instructions other than those found here ? http://rtfm.net/FreeBSD/ERL/

16:48:45 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117789 << again, did

16:48:45 assbot: Logged on 01-05-2015 15:22:10; pete_dushenski: or using serial comm software other than minicom ??

16:50:42 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117867 << not only this, but can reflash without any physical parts at all, from stock os

16:50:42 assbot: Logged on 01-05-2015 16:14:34; davout: hrm.. i was under the impression it was possible to somehow re-flash the pogo from a simple USB stick without soldering anything

16:51:02 ascii_field: or even enable tftp and use experimental os (e.g., mine) without reflashing at all

16:51:15 ascii_field: and without swapping physical sticks

16:52:39 pete_dushenski: ascii_field: what serial comm software did you use ?

16:52:44 davout: ascii_field: so what's the simplest way of doing it?

16:54:38 ascii_field: pete_dushenski: 'screen'

16:54:47 ascii_field: https://www.gnu.org/software/screen

16:54:48 assbot: GNU Screen - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation ... ( http://bit.ly/1EISsXN )

16:55:04 ascii_field: davout: doing what ?

16:55:47 pete_dushenski: ascii_field: aha. cheers.

16:56:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26250 @ 0.00025495 = 6.6924 BTC [-] {2}

16:56:53 davout: ascii_field: i have the physical pogos you gave me, an ethernet cable, a power adapter, an internet connection, a few usb sticks, a working debian, and a 120gb sata disk that fits in the pogo. what's the easiest way to set it up as a bitcoin node

16:57:06 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117806 << sounds EXACTLY like windowsuntu.

16:57:06 assbot: Logged on 01-05-2015 15:34:28; mats: this week, a guy broke his entire network stack by trying to install bluetooth drivers

16:57:17 ascii_field: davout: folow danielpbarron's instructions

16:57:52 ascii_field: davout: be aware that we don't have a battlefield-ready 0.5.3.x as of yet.

16:58:13 danielpbarron: i'm rewriting some stuff now, adding to wiki

16:59:03 danielpbarron: on a related note, my 5400 rpm pogo cannot sync

16:59:03 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117836 << coincidentally, the coincidental coincidences coincide.

16:59:03 assbot: Logged on 01-05-2015 15:44:09; mats: another fun fact: Android doesn't seem to implement the only BLE key exchange mechanism not vulnerable to eavesdropping.

16:59:29 pete_dushenski: danielpbarron: did the ssd make it ?

16:59:35 danielpbarron: at least, not running on ArchLinux; perhaps with optimizations it could catch up

16:59:49 ascii_field: <danielpbarron> on a related note, my 5400 rpm pogo cannot sync << i spoke of this briefly at c3. the almost deadly-certain explanation is that there is no ram to spare for the customary disk cache

16:59:58 ascii_field: so pogo node lives or dies by the actual speed of the drive.

17:00:20 mircea_popescu: ascii_field actually... a disk cache wouldn't need to be much larger than what, 1mb ?

17:00:29 danielpbarron: comes as no surprise to me; that's exactly the bottle neck i ran into when first getting into running a node

17:00:34 mircea_popescu: maybe reiserfs would fix it.

17:00:38 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: it is normally a readahead cache

17:00:45 ascii_field: so needs to be 16-64MB at min.

17:00:58 danielpbarron: pete_dushenski, my SSD one is still going and I have no reason to suspect it won't eventually sync

17:01:08 danielpbarron: currently at height=339674

17:01:24 mircea_popescu: almost there danielpbarron

17:01:51 pete_dushenski: excellent.

17:02:11 danielpbarron: the 5400 rpm one with an up-to-date data dir copied in goes just fast enough to stay about 200 blocks behind the rest of the network at all times; perhaps slowly losing ground

17:02:22 ascii_field: http://www.linuxatemyram.com/play.html << see also.

17:02:23 assbot: Experiments and fun with the Linux disk cache ... ( http://bit.ly/1EITva3 )

17:02:56 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron nuts.

17:03:07 ascii_field: ^ the down side of how 'unobtrusive' disk cache is implemented on linux is that if ram is 'redlined' to the hilt, there is - approximately - no disk caching at all.

17:03:11 mircea_popescu: so basically... current blocks are just big enough to interdict 5400 rpm

17:03:17 davout: danielpbarron: in your docs, 2.2.2 refer to building a kernel for the workstation talking to the pogo, not building a kernel for the pogo itself, or am i heavily confused?

17:03:28 davout: (referring to http://danielpbarron.com/pogo/howto.txt)

17:03:29 assbot: 404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1EITNxL )

17:03:29 mats: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/05/01/us-goldman-sachs-aleynikov-verdict-idUSKBN0NM43V20150501

17:03:31 assbot: NY jury finds ex-Goldman programer Aleynikov guilty of code theft | Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1EITPpf )

17:03:39 danielpbarron: davout, yeah that's why i'm rewriting; it's about the workstation connecting to pogo

17:03:40 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: with leaky 0.5.3, and on box with 128m, yes

17:03:54 danielpbarron: davout, only necessary if your doing the serial connection soldering thing

17:03:58 mircea_popescu: ascii_field no, "5400 rpm, no caching"

17:04:28 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: aha

17:04:51 danielpbarron: all you need is to install some sort of TFTP server on your workstation, and use the built in flashing tools of pogo to set some parameters to connect to your workstation when it boots

17:05:05 mircea_popescu: so basically, "5400 rpm"

17:05:25 ascii_field: 'A female juror had accused her male colleague of trying to poison her food, and on Tuesday Marino mentioned that the conflict may have involved an avocado sandwich.'

17:05:27 mircea_popescu: "The conviction came two days after the judge overseeing the case removed two jurors after a conflict between the two marred deliberations.

17:05:27 davout: danielpbarron: which i'm not (doing the serial thing), so it's not very clear to me how to build the kernel and software that'll actually run on the pogo once it's ready

17:05:27 mircea_popescu: The judge said on Wednesday that letting 10 jurors proceed, not 12, amounted to "uncharted territory," but Marino said that his client agreed to the smaller jury."

17:05:28 mircea_popescu: herp.

17:06:06 danielpbarron: davout, i'm not aware of how to do that; i've only ever used ascii's pre-built kernels i think

17:06:08 mircea_popescu: ascii_field "jury of your peers" in the us = "the mentally ill"

17:06:15 *: ascii_field has seen it alive

17:06:55 ascii_field: davout, danielpbarron: to build kernel, see my instructions on the listserv

17:07:10 Adlai: "A female juror had accused her male colleague of trying to poison her food, and on Tuesday Marino mentioned that the conflict may have involved an avocado sandwich."

17:07:14 danielpbarron: my documentation needs massive overhaul lol

17:07:15 ascii_field: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000074.html

17:07:15 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1EIUoiS )

17:07:25 Adlai: oh ascii_field just pasted this. nvm

17:10:44 davout: danielpbarron ascii_field ah i see, i wasn't aware that alf had a pre-built kernel that's to be used, i'll work from there, also i'll document everything I do, so maybe you won't need to spend time updating your docs

17:10:59 ascii_field: davout: it isn't meant to be fired in anger

17:11:02 ascii_field: please build own kernel

17:11:10 mats: https://www.udacity.com/course/advanced-operating-systems--ud189 this is pretty good

17:11:13 assbot: Advanced Operating Systems - Udacity ... ( http://bit.ly/1EIV9sq )

17:11:19 ascii_field: i certainly have no intention of distributing bins every time we path

17:11:20 ascii_field: *patch

17:11:27 davout: ascii_field: my mission is to idiot-proof the process :D

17:12:23 davout: but i guess it can also be fun to do the whole thing, maybe i'll end-up with two sets of docs the "advanced" version and the "i just want this goddamn thing running" version

17:14:21 mircea_popescu: davout good idea.

17:15:12 davout: i think both are required, one for the folks who want to inspect, audit or otherwise fuck with the device, and one to turn a crate of stock pogos into node as fast as possible

17:16:27 mircea_popescu: especially the "document everything i do" part.

17:16:53 mircea_popescu: the path from the current FOSS, roughly approximating a spunk-crusted sock floating in a pringles can half full with week old urine

17:17:14 mircea_popescu: and an actual software environment is exactly that : a. people doing jobs 100% and b) documenting this process 100%.

17:17:44 ascii_field: world's best smith cannot mold bullet from shit.

17:17:49 Adlai: !up ascii_field

17:17:50 ascii_field: no matter how documented.

17:17:55 mircea_popescu: and for the record, i hope the us feminazis win the war and castrate each and every us white male with a college degree.

17:18:03 mircea_popescu: with a dull spork.

17:18:44 mircea_popescu: ascii_field the only shit here is in the heads of, again, every white us male with a college degree.

17:18:58 mircea_popescu: from paul graham to the rackhoster derp above.

17:19:17 pete_dushenski: i'll definitely be documenting my edgerouter rampage.

17:19:20 mircea_popescu: even basic would work, if not for them.

17:19:27 mircea_popescu: (which is what ada is, after all)

17:20:19 ascii_field: the tech stack is rotten all the way down.

17:20:32 mircea_popescu: yes. from the fontanelle to the spine.

17:20:33 ascii_field: (don't take my word for it, it is quite apparent)

17:21:42 ascii_field: but mircea_popescu has a point, in that it is necessary to kill the mice before cleaning up their shit - otherwise it is a waste of time, there will be infinite shit

17:21:53 trinque: mircea_popescu | and for the record, i hope the us feminazis win the war and castrate each and every us white male with a college degree. << heh, my balls are safe then

17:21:59 mircea_popescu: moreover, once the mice are killed, the shit self-cleans.

17:22:12 ascii_field: self-cleans ?

17:22:13 ascii_field: how ?!

17:22:18 mircea_popescu: well, turns into earth.

17:22:38 mircea_popescu: you consider a meadow "clean" or "dirty" ?

17:23:14 ascii_field: poor analogy. usians still can't rid themselves of 120v

17:23:26 mircea_popescu: yes. but the world IS.

17:23:26 Adlai: somehow the streets of tel aviv are still paved with cement, beneath the dog shit

17:23:36 mircea_popescu: because by now what the usians do is slightly more relevant than what the mongols do.

17:24:12 mircea_popescu: a slightly greater, slightly more relatively advanced empire, slightly longer ago.

17:25:49 ascii_field: http://www.np.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/2t4557/paypals_investigation_of_laptop_purchased_on_ebay << schizo gold

17:25:52 assbot: PayPal's investigation of laptop purchased on eBay that was interdicted, infected and implanted : privacy ... ( http://bit.ly/1EIXqnl )

17:26:53 mircea_popescu: ascii_field more on point : consider how much of the windows turdball self-cleanned by simply making gpg required for voice here.

17:27:07 mircea_popescu: "oh, can't get in". "well... so from the other perspective... you no longer exist ?"

17:27:13 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: this cleaned people, not tech

17:27:21 mircea_popescu: right.

17:27:27 mircea_popescu: people and their productions.

17:32:50 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "Earlier this year Chin-hao Hu and Pai-tsung Hsu over the process of generating a Bitcoin transaction offline for which they would assign "Intellectual Property" rights to themselves." << missing verb ?

17:33:37 BingoBoingo: fxd

17:34:19 mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2015/04/tsinghua-university-creates-a-digital-assets-research-initiative/#comment-20712 << who's this guy anyway

17:34:20 assbot: Tsinghua University Creates a "Digital Assets Research Initiative" | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1AqlN3X )

17:34:39 mircea_popescu: ascii_field is he the ninjashoo /

17:35:03 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: 'sapien' ?

17:35:29 mircea_popescu: yeh

17:35:46 ascii_field: it's rather like those baobab-like trees in buenos aires

17:36:00 ascii_field: how can i know, is it one tree, six, or forty-six

17:36:20 mircea_popescu: this particular detachment between words and things...

17:36:23 mircea_popescu: i guess you're right

17:36:45 ascii_field: appealing in trees. in people - not so much

17:37:37 mircea_popescu: by the way, am i the only foreigner that thinks southern dialects a lot more expressive, interesting and developed than yankee english ?

17:38:08 *: ascii_field hasn't enough exposure to the former, to say

17:40:19 mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUFL2GT1-2g

17:40:20 assbot: Sh%t Southern Women Say, Episode 1 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1AqmRov )

17:40:20 Pierre_Rochard: mircea_popescu: you are not

17:40:21 mircea_popescu: good primer

17:41:16 Adlai: the south considered themselves closer to the commonwealth than to the yanks

17:41:46 trinque: 2:36 what's uuuup

17:41:51 ascii_field: see also 'the mind of the south' (w. j. cash) - mega-recommended

17:41:58 ascii_field: (engl.)

17:42:14 Adlai: and/or "The Killer Angels"

17:42:48 ascii_field: had interesting thesis - that cotton only worked on small fraction of land available, and the rest was left mostly alone to the non-slaveholding inhabitants, with minimal statal footprint

17:43:37 trinque: southerners like their govts dysfunctional at best

17:43:49 trinque: tx legislature meets every two years, mostly to talk about doing nothing

17:44:26 mircea_popescu: ascii_field in any case the wisdom was to keep the taxes low and the government minimal, because large plantation owners know best what to do with resources.

17:44:34 mircea_popescu: in a sense it was the HRE of the american continent.

17:44:59 trinque: in previous conversations about the need for privilege it has occurred to me that tx seems to have this

17:45:22 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: according to cash, it was rather because southern states ran extraction economy of soil and slave, but did not need the non-planter whites for anything - so left alone (as 'fremen', in 'dune')

17:45:24 trinque: there are parts of cities you can't possibly live in without wealth

17:45:34 trinque: with proper walls around them

17:45:37 mircea_popescu: i can see it.

17:46:09 mircea_popescu: bad move, too. idleness is the mother of devilness or how's that called.

17:46:16 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: they did not even need to exterminate them to vacate space, because most of the soil was not cotton-grade.

17:46:36 ascii_field: arbeit macht frei (tm)

17:47:20 mircea_popescu: there's some contemporary records of "trying to get a cotton farm going", by people without the resoruces and without the intelligence to understand resources at all.

17:47:28 mircea_popescu: reads a lot like the stories of the "web start-up culture"

17:47:38 mats: its amusing there's an actual /r/badBIOS subreddit

17:47:53 mircea_popescu: same "they're moving up and down on a patch of land ; we're moving up and down on a patch of land. what the hell's the difference!"

17:47:59 ascii_field: mats: and it is all full of one particular species, yes

17:48:04 trinque: I consider TX a highly redeemable part of the US

17:48:16 mircea_popescu: trinque san antonio was easily my favourite us town

17:48:21 mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field

17:48:22 trinque: great place

17:48:25 trinque: Austin, mine

17:48:33 ascii_field: mats: the kind of schizo that seems to live and breathe solely to discredit actual investigation into usg shenanigans

17:49:04 ascii_field: i do not know if they grow naturally or have to be cultivated - but they serve this purpose.

17:49:28 mats: readers of the log: badBIOS is a hoax, although the principle of the thing is entirely achievable

17:49:44 mircea_popescu: ascii_field do you think 50 shades of gray exists to discredit actual bdsm / harry potter exists to discredit actual fiction ?

17:49:44 ascii_field: mats: see also 'piltdown man'

17:50:12 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: nah those are more like 'kraft food' vs actual food

17:50:20 ascii_field: buffetized extruded product.

17:50:25 mircea_popescu: same thing here.

17:50:39 mircea_popescu: in a "consumer driven" ideas market... the "ideas" will look like the derps.

17:51:25 ascii_field: let's peek back a few decades to the folks who were listening to cia broadcasts with their tooth amalgams

17:51:33 trinque: somebody in the south needs to start screaming about anti-communism and they'd get far.

17:51:41 ascii_field: the physical principle - is sound, demonstrated.

17:51:46 trinque: average texans are not at all afraid of the idea of secession

17:51:52 trinque: common conversation topic

17:52:08 mircea_popescu: ascii_field let's go over this soundness.

17:52:12 trinque: and I don't mean this play-ball tea party thing

17:52:15 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: rectifier

17:52:20 mircea_popescu: so it is in principle possible to transform energy from state to state.

17:52:34 mircea_popescu: now, seeing how vibration in the audible frequency for teeth has a calculable minimum,

17:52:43 mircea_popescu: we can in fact calculate the power of the cia antenna required. correct ?

17:53:05 ascii_field: postulate a distance

17:53:15 mircea_popescu: right, for a postulated distance.

17:54:00 mircea_popescu: "Ebay did grant my item not as described case. However, Ebay didn't acknowledge that an interdicted, tampered, infected and implanted device is an item not described.

17:54:19 mircea_popescu: this is strictly correct. an item tampered with by the government is not, legally, an item distinct from an item not tampered with by the government.

17:54:37 ascii_field: as a very small boy, i listened to a 'radio' consisted of a handset speaker from a busted telephone (circa 1940s?) and a diode (pulled out of ancient bobbin deck, also thrown out window by someone)

17:54:37 mircea_popescu: this is exactly why government may not continue to exist.

17:54:48 ascii_field: this was possible because su loved am radio

17:56:10 mircea_popescu: but the diode was not made out of your dead dog.

17:56:23 ascii_field: nope

17:56:25 mircea_popescu: moreover, the "listening to cia" people do not plug speakers into their teeth.

17:56:29 ascii_field: germanium diode

17:56:43 ascii_field: people do not plug speakers into their teeth << bone conduction

17:56:44 mircea_popescu: so... you know. yes "it's possible". however, doing it on dentine and lead... tough job.

17:57:13 mircea_popescu: yes yes. just pointing out to you that while it is theoretically possible, it is improbable it ever was practically achieved either by accident or by hobbists.

17:57:28 mircea_popescu: for that matter, cold fusion is just as theoretically possible.

17:57:45 ascii_field: !s palladium deuteride

17:57:46 assbot: 1 results for 'palladium deuteride' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=palladium+deuteride

17:59:12 mircea_popescu: so listen alf, i had an exceptional plate of deviled eggs last night... ate 18^H^H 19^H^H 27 of the suckers

17:59:29 mircea_popescu: but you know... it kinda didn't sit well... so i let out this huge burp... and i think it all went into my cavity or something

17:59:34 mircea_popescu: because i got cold fusion going!

18:00:11 ascii_field: this is how 'fuck you i'm a dragon' probably began.

18:00:12 ascii_field: l0l

18:00:48 mircea_popescu: myeah lol

18:02:19 mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBnaw1-1fTg >> actually prolly better example.

18:02:20 assbot: Sh%t Southern Women Say, Episode 3 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1zkxD4v )

18:02:27 mircea_popescu: "he's so dumb, he could throw himself on the ground and miss"

18:02:35 mircea_popescu: "when she hauls ass, she gotta make two trips"

18:03:50 mircea_popescu: !up Asenath

18:03:55 mircea_popescu: heh.

18:05:22 trinque: mircea_popescu: my biz partner's dad has all kinds of them

18:05:27 trinque: "does the pope shit in his hat?"

18:05:48 mircea_popescu: lol

18:06:13 trinque: "busier than a cat with two asses" << loads of variations on that one

18:06:15 mircea_popescu: see, but that's the sort of person that's worth getting drunk

18:06:30 mircea_popescu: "more worried than a cat in a roomfull of rocking chairs"

18:06:31 trinque: ah shit his whole family's a hoot drunk

18:06:45 mircea_popescu: and what else is life all about i ask ye!

18:06:50 trinque: not a damn thing

18:07:21 mircea_popescu: btw, you know how the pope hat thing came about ?

18:07:23 ascii_field: https://www.reddit.com/r/badBIOS/comments/2y8ufv/badbios_other_sources_emit_transcranial << typical

18:07:24 assbot: BadBIOS & other sources emit Transcranial Ultrasound ('TUS') which down-regulates neural activity causing dead zombie brain : badBIOS ... ( http://bit.ly/1AqsaEk )

18:07:39 trinque: mircea_popescu: hows that

18:07:56 mircea_popescu: ascii_field people are on reddit so as to be with other like minded people. it is a social function. what words they say... "world's best dad!"

18:08:31 mircea_popescu: trinque see, if you've ever seen if (1=1) in code you comprehend this literary device. "have you ever whipped a woman ?" "does the bear shit in the woods ?"

18:08:43 mircea_popescu: the ~other~ stock 1=1 answer being, "does the pope wear a funny hat"

18:08:55 mircea_popescu: as time went by, the two were merged into one, and so...

18:08:57 ascii_field: 'does the pope shit in the woods'

18:08:59 ascii_field: (tm)

18:09:04 mircea_popescu: lol

18:09:06 trinque: oh yeah, of course

18:09:12 ascii_field: (most common variant where i live)

18:09:13 mircea_popescu: yes, and napoleon has an infinite number of arms.

18:09:17 mircea_popescu: know that one ?

18:09:23 ascii_field: aha

18:11:28 mircea_popescu: "she's so skinny she's gonna fall through her butt and hang herself"

18:11:54 trinque: LOL

18:12:15 mircea_popescu: "she could hoola hoop in a cheerio"

18:12:16 trinque: can't even make fun of people in portland; how's anyone supposed to tell a joke

18:12:58 mircea_popescu: !up Luke-Jr

18:13:46 Luke-Jr: I just wanted to LOL at the convo with RockHoster earlier. I was going to say "the maintainer doesn't *need* to be unbiased", but then I saw https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/User_talk:RockHoster

18:13:48 assbot: User talk:RockHoster - Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1zkz9U3 )

18:14:40 mircea_popescu: guy's got a boner for that page.

18:16:03 Luke-Jr: yeah, I'm kinda surprised he didn't take williamdunne's offer

18:17:12 mircea_popescu: 5 btc ? sure, he could amortize $1000 in advertising expenses just as soon as the wiki gets twelve trillion pageviews or something.

18:17:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 888 @ 0.00151173 = 1.3424 BTC [-]

18:19:25 davout: "So... You changed the name of your service so you could be on top of an obscure list? Taras (talk) 20:22, 23 September 2014 (UTC)" <<< that's pretty SOP with locksmiths in the yellow pages

18:19:43 trinque: AAA

18:19:45 trinque: ABC

18:19:50 mircea_popescu: eh it was also standard with whores at some point

18:20:01 mircea_popescu: fuckin gridiculous everyone was amber angel and whatever

18:24:05 ben_vulpes: gringodiculous

18:25:55 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron hey, ask fowler (https://twitter.com/WomenSouthern) if she wants to do a "shit southern women say about bitcoin" sponsored thing ?

18:28:50 davout: here, everyone is "ABC Express Locksmith"

18:30:51 mircea_popescu: Aardwark Locksmiths & Irony ?

18:31:12 davout: :D

18:31:43 davout: sounds like a cool job, get calls at night about lost keys, show up with a drill and a spare, bill $maxint

18:32:08 mircea_popescu: maxint my foot. it's like $100 or so.

18:32:19 mircea_popescu: back when people could actually wake me up it was a lot more than that.

18:36:19 davout: heh, guess you're right, happened to me back in the day, guess my brain at the time recorded 80€ as 'holy shit, lots of money'

18:36:52 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

18:38:08 *: ascii_field pictures a sciencefiction story, set in the world of 'shall be delivered', about a fella who forgot a key and goes to a specialist who 'helps remember'

18:41:45 danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-03-2015#1078941 << how to initially get fw_printenv to tell pogo to boot kernel over TFTP in the future?

18:41:45 assbot: Logged on 29-03-2015 18:21:35; asciilifeform: ^ so in principle these can be reimplemented with the nand tools i have included.

18:44:11 danielpbarron: stock pogo does not come with this tool, but it does come with nandwrite, flash_erase, and flash_eraseall

18:45:20 trinque: danielpbarron: one of the vars in there sets the boot order

18:45:28 trinque: there was some command to dump out all vars

18:45:42 trinque: should be able to spot it; the value of it names other vars iirc comma separated

18:45:49 danielpbarron: those commands are available from within uBoot

18:46:06 trinque: yeah

18:46:13 danielpbarron: and can also be used from the OS, but they don't come standard with an unmodified pogo

18:46:21 ascii_field: danielpbarron: on stock pogo you need fw_printenv (or serial cable) to get into uboot console

18:46:45 ascii_field: simplest way is to get those utils on the stock os (sftp copy, or wget) and use.

18:47:08 danielpbarron: yes, so what is the easiest way to get fw_printenv on a new unit ? just copy it over from workstation ? or is it easier to reflash with your own kernel using the stock nandwrite tool

18:47:13 danielpbarron: ah

18:47:38 trinque: I stuck a debian install on one of the attached drives as a workspace

18:47:47 trinque: works pretty well

18:47:56 danielpbarron: yeah that's what i'm ircing from

18:50:24 danielpbarron: what is the easiest way to make your own fw_printenv ? is this something that come out of the same process that makes the kernel ?

18:51:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27400 @ 0.00025601 = 7.0147 BTC [+]

18:51:19 ascii_field: danielpbarron: all it does is dump/write the reserved 2nd half of mtd0

18:51:26 ascii_field: which contains config vars for uboot

18:51:35 ascii_field: this in turn used kernel's nand driv.

18:51:40 ascii_field: nothing high-tech

18:58:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35964 @ 0.00026942 = 9.6894 BTC [+]

18:59:22 davout: so i'm currently connected to the Pogo through SSH, pretty easy so far

18:59:40 davout: not sure how one compiles U-Boot though

18:59:43 davout: danielpbarron: ^

18:59:53 ascii_field: davout: 'buildroot' also builds uboot

19:01:34 davout: ascii_field: ok, i should be able to get it from your binaries amirite

19:01:51 davout: (starting with the 'simple' version of my guide)

19:02:51 davout: meh, nvm, i'll do the full version first, and dumb it down afterwards

19:03:44 davout: ascii_field: should i start straight with your v2 patches ?

19:05:28 ascii_field: davout: they apply on top of v1

19:05:55 davout: aok, ty, sorry for my noobish questions!

19:06:33 danielpbarron: seems as though the stock pogo is configured to look for a TFTP server without any modification -> bootcmd=bootp; setenv bootargs root=/dev/nfs nfsroot=${serverip}:${rootpath} ip=${ipaddr}:${serverip}:${gatewayip}:${netmask}:${hostname}::off; bootm

19:07:22 ascii_field: danielpbarron: bootp ?

19:07:31 *: ascii_field has no idea how to set up bootp, did not try this

19:07:37 danielpbarron: boot image via network using BOOTP/TFTP protocol

19:07:41 danielpbarron: !up ascii_field

19:08:01 jurov: !mpif

19:08:02 assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021367 B (Total: 467.26 B). Delta: -0.18 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000206 BTC [-]

19:08:08 jurov: !t m f.mpif

19:08:08 assbot: [MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.000206 / 0.00020605 / 0.000207 (10600 shares, 2.18 BTC)

19:15:56 mats: market doesn't look impressed by TSLA's "Powerwall"

19:17:15 jurov: it was already expected for some time, no?

19:17:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14500 @ 0.00025601 = 3.7121 BTC [-]

19:18:52 mats: yeah

19:19:01 jurov: price seems fair, i'd like to see how quickly will they able to produce

19:19:25 mats: i'm still strapped in, gonna reevaluate my position when they finally produce an electric utility truck

19:19:33 jurov: and when will they come to europe

19:19:50 mircea_popescu: why not a power plant.

19:20:05 jurov: powerplant is extra

19:20:22 mircea_popescu: i don't think they stand a chance in europe, for teh record.

19:20:29 mircea_popescu: for onbe thing, european cars don't suck.

19:20:48 mircea_popescu: the us market was so bad even toyota could sell there. it hasn't improved since the 70s.

19:20:50 mats: i can already imagine the advertisements --

19:21:25 mats: tesla truck and f-250 at the starting line on a track, both tethered to a stack of shipping containers

19:22:10 mats: after the tesla driver wins, he plugs it in and fills the bed with pumps, chemicals, water... and heads off to a client's home for a carpet cleaning gig

19:23:35 jurov: in the eu, would be fun to see people trying to use it with 2500w hair dryers and vacuum machines(especially these tend to make nasty power spikes)

19:36:59 *: ascii_field notices gigantic gap in log

19:37:59 mod6: the correct pogo to order is the Series 4 with the maroon/red colored logo on the front right?

19:38:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32950 @ 0.00025531 = 8.4125 BTC [-] {2}

19:38:10 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

19:38:18 davout: danielpbarron: does that mean there could be a way to auto-setup pogos by plugging them to an ethernet cable and turning them on ?

19:38:28 ascii_field: davout: yes, and i proposed this

19:38:41 jurov: ascii_field: i was here, really nothing happened

19:38:42 ascii_field: they oughta plug into one another, for 'breath of life'

19:39:01 ascii_field: jurov: looking for mar. 27

19:39:05 ascii_field: might just be broken search

19:39:11 davout: interdasting

19:40:22 ascii_field: ok, log is intact

19:40:29 ascii_field: search - does not work worth a damn.

19:40:36 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-03-2015#1075949 << application for that 'tesla' battery.

19:40:36 assbot: Logged on 28-03-2015 02:23:30; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: pigeons: let's scratch the arithmetic itch. approx. 8400 km from me to b-a. a LiMnO2 (non-rechargeable) battery yields approx. 400 Wh/kg.

19:40:49 BingoBoingo: <ascii_field> 'does the pope shit in the woods' << Does the bear shit in the pope?

19:44:24 ascii_field: ;;seen Chillum

19:44:24 gribble: Chillum was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 0 days, 3 hours, 50 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: <Chillum> I have never understood how a 1 paragraph post that links to a full article somehow makes it to the top of google searches. They are adding basically nothing

19:45:24 kakobrekla: ascii_field i guess the search is out of sync

19:45:36 kakobrekla: what happened to chillum?

19:45:51 ascii_field: damned if i know

19:46:11 kakobrekla: ;;later tell mthreat might want to resync the search?

19:46:12 gribble: The operation succeeded.

19:46:59 ascii_field: chillum 'was a chemist, but now he is no more; for what he thought was h2o, was h2so4.' or the like.

19:47:00 ascii_field: who knows.

19:47:33 Adlai: didn't that happen to the chemist's son?

19:47:43 ascii_field: traditional rhyme

19:49:32 danielpbarron: mod6> the correct pogo to order is the Series 4 with the maroon/red colored logo on the front right? << http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006I5MKZY/

19:49:35 assbot: Amazon.com : Pogoplug Series 4 Backup Device : Networked Attached Storage : Camera & Photo ... ( http://bit.ly/1GMyUB9 )

19:49:41 mod6: Thank you

19:50:20 ascii_field: ^ the very same

19:50:30 ascii_field: that was handed out at c3

19:51:25 mod6: ok awesome, got one in my cart.

19:53:11 mod6: alrighty, ordered. thanks again.

20:23:50 mats: mike_c: some unexpected behavior with your web wot thing: when searching with the input 'Chillum', a corresponding drop-down option appears, and when i click 'View User', it directs me to 'http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/', a 404. when I click the option in the drop-down combo box, I'm directed to 'http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/Chillum', also a 404

20:40:30 mike_c: well that's odd.

20:41:54 mike_c: oh ffs

20:42:13 mike_c: is this shit case sensitive or not?

20:42:58 mike_c: kakobrekla: are the usernames case sensitive? could there be a KAKObrekla and a kakobrekla?

20:43:58 mike_c: !register mike_c

20:43:58 assbot: Nick mike_c is already taken.

20:44:03 mike_c: !register MIKE_c

20:44:03 assbot: Nick mike_c is already taken.

20:44:15 mike_c: nvmnd

20:47:27 kakobrekla: !registers second parameter is keyid

20:47:35 kakobrekla: but anyway, no.

20:47:47 kakobrekla: second, and only parameter.

20:47:56 kakobrekla: eh

20:47:59 kakobrekla: first actually

20:48:07 kakobrekla: cant be second and only

20:48:12 kakobrekla: does not compute

20:49:27 MIKE_c: !register flub

20:49:27 assbot: Nick MIKE_c is already taken.

20:49:36 mike_c: grazie

20:54:43 mike_c: mats: thanks for the bug report. will be fixed soon.

21:23:00 mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> cant be second and only << win.

21:32:04 BingoBoingo: https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/files/2015/04/racism.png&w=1484

21:32:05 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1E2LcRC )

21:32:47 BingoBoingo: The northeast, most racist part of 'Murica

21:33:02 BingoBoingo: Damn Yankees

21:33:05 mircea_popescu: i thought it was going to be fraudsters

21:34:01 mircea_popescu: for the record, saying nigger and racism are about as related as saying synergy and making a profit.

21:34:23 BingoBoingo: Sure, but tis te Washington Post, what can you truly expect

21:34:33 mircea_popescu: ie, only the derpington post thinks so.

21:34:38 mircea_popescu: right

21:37:42 mircea_popescu: nude exercise of power, obviously. if fuctard gets you to not say a word, the reason doesn't matter. what matters is the fact that you're now doing what he's tellin' you to.

21:38:22 mircea_popescu: kinda how the fetlife derps got all twisted about "rape". omagawd our consent was violated by other people using words without asking for permission!!1

21:39:20 BingoBoingo: Right

21:39:40 mircea_popescu: so how about the washington post is no longer allowed to say the r word.

21:40:07 mircea_popescu: or the d word, for that matter.

21:40:27 mircea_popescu: also the e word. are there more vulgar obscenities the libertards use ?

21:41:06 mircea_popescu: r*cism, d*mocratic, eq*ality and i guess r*ights. shit there's two r words.

21:41:45 trinque: "progress"

21:42:06 mircea_popescu: they don't really say that anymore. even "progressive"'s gone down the drain

21:42:43 mircea_popescu: must suck to be one of those people, always stuck with a new word nest like a god damned cuckoo

21:46:34 mircea_popescu: come to think of it, the bald eagle is an anachronism the cuckoo is the us symbol. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5c/Reed_warbler_cuckoo.jpg

21:46:35 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1E2NjVz )

21:46:39 cazalla: enough time has passed that you could show today's kids "tokyo breakfast" for the lulz

21:47:15 cazalla: muh cultural adoption, muh racism

21:48:02 BingoBoingo: Cuckoo seems apt nao

21:49:38 trinque: cazalla: hadn't seen this, goddamn hilarious

21:49:51 trinque: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgjwjaBJ5Do

21:49:52 assbot: Tokyo Breakfast - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1EJzno9 )

21:50:32 cazalla: yeah, it's fkn old now but ripe for passing off as new to the young ones

22:05:58 jurov: https://mobile.twitter.com/kellyoxford/status/481497873461161987 hanbot, you're married then?

22:06:00 assbot: Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1E2QnB9 )

23:50:41 mike_c: mats: http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/Chillum/

23:50:42 assbot: Chillum WoT Overview - Btc Alpha ... ( http://bit.ly/1JXJPbJ )

23:52:13 mike_c: mircea_popescu, asciilifeform: here's my problem. Sending my loyal customers to this page is a bad user experience. http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgfp/8680FD3C9D20B92FBEF3D058FD5A63B9EAC2A55E

23:52:13 assbot: Submit a GPG Public Key | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1JXK6eE )

23:52:41 mike_c: maybe a very simple "not found" page?