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00:18:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36450 @ 0.0003293 = 12.003 BTC [+]

00:19:42 ben_vulpes: Adlai, asciilifeform: are the commercial lisps worth paying for?

00:20:39 ben_vulpes: trinque and i were wondering about their CLIM implementations, and if documentation etc was better on the closed-source side of the world

00:22:30 Adlai: who needs documentation when you have live support

00:26:24 BingoBoingo: Oh found internet fiction http://pastebin.com/CPum0U4R

00:34:07 *: Adlai got had at moo

00:50:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00031613 = 2.4026 BTC [-]

00:58:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20400 @ 0.00031125 = 6.3495 BTC [-]

01:22:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22126 @ 0.00031125 = 6.8867 BTC [-]

01:33:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00030903 = 1.1434 BTC [-]

01:40:11 decimation: re: gold standard doesn't work < yeah this might be the case, but nearly all of the criticisms offered would apply equally to bitcoin

01:42:19 decimation: asciilifeform: maybe one solution to the 'bastard transmitter' problem would be to make an irc/gossip/udp net that requires proof of wot membership to join

02:09:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21425 @ 0.00031002 = 6.6422 BTC [+]

02:12:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35900 @ 0.00030874 = 11.0838 BTC [-] {2}

02:15:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21700 @ 0.00031006 = 6.7283 BTC [+]

02:26:40 asciilifeform: <ben_vulpes> Adlai, asciilifeform: are the commercial lisps worth paying for? << extremely bad question. is a boeing worth paying for? depends!

02:27:17 Adlai: i've heard they're great for hammering in nails

02:27:28 asciilifeform: Adlai: nah, that's microscopes

02:27:41 Adlai: you aren't dreaming big enough

02:28:00 *: asciilifeform dreams big: of hammering with -electron- microscopes !

02:28:46 mod6: http://thebitcoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000096.html << The State of Bitcoin Address

02:29:46 asciilifeform: decimation: asciilifeform: maybe one solution to the 'bastard transmitter' problem would be ... this is still reasoning from the misconception that 'bastards' necessarily come from malicious or malfunctioning nodes. this is not the case - a 0.5.3.x will emit bastards - from point of view of certain nodes - just as often as any other

02:29:46 Adlai: both are too heavy to wield manually but electron microscopes, unlike the boeing, lack self-propulsion

02:29:46 asciilifeform: it is a consequence of how screamingly retarded the sync mechanism is to begin with

02:30:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21217 @ 0.00031018 = 6.5811 BTC [+] {2}

02:30:49 decimation: asciilifeform: forgive my ignorance, but there's a single valid path through the blockchain

02:30:57 decimation: why does every node need to reverify it?

02:32:13 asciilifeform: <ben_vulpes> trinque and i were wondering about their CLIM implementations, and if documentation etc was better on the closed-source side of the world << i never had lispworks and can't comment about it, but franz 'allegro' does come with clim. iirc it only works in the non-smp version though, and depends on gtk

02:33:05 asciilifeform: lispworks is actually (afaik to this day) the maintainer of the online cl hyperspec! while documentation from franz was once superb - came in printed volumes, which i bought second-hand

02:33:12 asciilifeform: but afaik they no longer ship the dead tree

02:33:33 asciilifeform: decimation: if you didn't verify the entire blockchain from end to end, you aren't a node!

02:33:41 asciilifeform: but a gavinabortion

02:33:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.00030846 = 5.4289 BTC [-]

02:34:26 decimation: yeah, but there's a difference between "here's our history; you verify" and "pls to give transactions"

02:34:28 asciilifeform: mod6: neato

02:35:42 asciilifeform: decimation: in both cases, 'martian' - that is to say, unverifiable with info at hand - blocks (or transactions) are indistinguishable from garbage at time of receipt

02:36:21 mod6: thx ascii, :]

02:37:11 asciilifeform: mod6: i would comment that technically the block-bastardage and tx-orphanage nukes are semantically independent. but the latter was derived from a main.cpp patched with the former.

02:37:27 asciilifeform: so the statement in the report - holds.

02:38:00 asciilifeform: mod6: the igprof thing was its own patch

02:38:14 asciilifeform: (it works without the patch but you can't take runtime heap snapshots then)

02:39:02 asciilifeform: oh perhaps i should mention that i tested the db memory thing

02:39:11 asciilifeform: our ver. of bdb actually lacks the set_memory_max

02:39:25 asciilifeform: there is a cache cap option. setting it did precisely nothing.

02:39:37 mod6: I should have put in a line maybe about "encouraged to read the submitted emails" or something, but perhaps I just thought it was implied.

02:40:21 mod6: <+asciilifeform> our ver. of bdb actually lacks the set_memory_max << OH. ok did not realize that. damn. well, i'll mention this fact in next months letter. should hvae asked.

02:40:44 asciilifeform: not 100% certain that we're all using same bdb...

02:40:57 decimation: asciilifeform: I'm using the auto.sh build

02:41:49 mod6: well, if one starts with the v0.5.3.1-RELEASE built with auto.sh, then BDB 4.8.30 will be built with it.

02:42:44 mod6: <+asciilifeform> not 100% certain that we're all using same bdb... << but anyway, yeah, I'll check anyway. there is a chance that we could be looking at two seperate versions.

02:42:46 asciilifeform: see db-4.8.30/dbinc/db_cxx.in

02:43:03 asciilifeform: for what is and isn't on the gameboard.

02:44:18 decimation: no set_memory_max on my version

02:44:53 mod6: yeah, its not in there.

02:44:53 asciilifeform: anyway none of my tests lay blame on bdb for continuous memory-eating

02:45:09 asciilifeform: just has the appearance of something one could perhaps shave a MB or two off, total.

02:45:25 decimation: asciilifeform: I see lots of std::vector and associated bs in your igprof stuff

02:45:42 asciilifeform: on the other hand, it -is- a candidate for the possible hidey-hole of the 'phantom' ram

02:45:56 asciilifeform: decimation: likely, boost internal crapolade

02:46:23 decimation: do you think it's possible that C++ is 'helpfully' holding on to allocated memory?

02:46:42 asciilifeform: decimation: when formally freed ? that'd be a gcc bug

02:46:49 asciilifeform: and/or glibc

02:47:05 asciilifeform: not impossible, but 'first rule out the usual suspects, then - miracles'

02:47:25 decimation: I guess I'm saying: did satoshi fail to clean up clutter as he went along?

02:47:39 asciilifeform: decimation: thing is, we no longer have classical leakage

02:47:58 asciilifeform: as in, memory --> +inf as t --> +inf

02:48:16 decimation: right. and one thing that infuriates me about std::vector - for instance - is that it's not exactly clear when free() is gonna be called

02:49:27 asciilifeform: this is one of the reasons why i - in all seriousness - believe c++ to be one of the 20th century's greatest crimes against the future.

02:50:31 decimation: stroustrup gonna be dug up and hung in effigy?

02:50:34 Adlai: !s fqa

02:50:35 assbot: 0 results for 'fqa' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=fqa

02:50:53 asciilifeform: why effigy?

02:50:56 asciilifeform: bastard's alive !

02:51:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22550 @ 0.00030846 = 6.9558 BTC [-]

02:51:08 decimation: yeah but folks don't realize the crime yet, apparently

02:51:40 asciilifeform: at any rate, it'd be harmless crackpottery without microshit

02:51:46 asciilifeform: the real enabler

02:52:15 asciilifeform: (notice, incidentally, that cpp is virtually unused outside the microturd world ?)

02:53:04 decimation: heh yeah when reading that bastards section I ran into "CCriticalSection" stuff - which apparently all came from mfc shit

02:53:11 decimation: satoshi reimplemented

02:54:08 asciilifeform: imho one of the most perplexing things about 'anti-bitcoin' agitators is how they all - to a man - miss the most cogent argument against bitcoin: it being, how it is implemented

02:54:35 asciilifeform: out of duct tape and chewing gum, and, to add insult to injury, cannot really be rebuilt

02:54:43 decimation: well, because what do they have? excel?

02:54:46 asciilifeform: (see old mircea_popescu thread re: proof)

02:55:27 asciilifeform: there -exists- software not crafted out of duct tape and gum

02:55:51 asciilifeform: most folks have had some (albeit unconscious) encounters with it - riding airplanes, etc

02:57:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56815 @ 0.00030835 = 17.5189 BTC [-] {2}

02:58:56 decimation: it could be rebuilt, but not without the resources of a rich prince

02:59:32 decimation: certainly not by hobbyists

03:00:00 asciilifeform: wake me up when there exists anything other than hobbyists in the space.

03:00:15 decimation: aye

03:00:41 decimation: what ever came of that startup that is re-writing bitcoin in go or whatever

03:01:09 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=11-05-2015#1128353 << this.

03:01:09 assbot: Logged on 11-05-2015 20:00:50; mircea_popescu: "TLDR I ran afl-fuzz against libbitcoinconsensus to discover interesting Bitcoin scripts and used them to search for Bitcoin reimplementations vulnerable to forking. This discovered two bugs in btcd by Conformal. See the bitcoinconsensus_testcases repository for the discovered Bitcoin scripts."

03:01:46 decimation: heh

03:02:46 asciilifeform: the other basic observation is that bitcoin per se feeds no one

03:02:56 asciilifeform: and that no one ought to be surprised by this

03:02:58 asciilifeform: see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=22-05-2015#1143414

03:02:58 assbot: Logged on 22-05-2015 06:54:48; mircea_popescu: the idea here being that people wouldn't pay for a sane os for the same reason they won't payfor the sun.

03:03:21 asciilifeform: (buncha derps get fed by usg for pretending to operate in bitcoin; very different affair)

03:04:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35989 @ 0.00030647 = 11.0295 BTC [-] {2}

03:04:58 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-05-2015#1143424 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-05-2015#1143425

03:04:58 assbot: Logged on 22-05-2015 06:59:41; mircea_popescu: people do buy chemicals, but they don't buy "chemistry"

03:04:58 assbot: Logged on 22-05-2015 06:59:49; mircea_popescu: if th efield had needed such a thing, it wouldn't exist at all.

03:06:02 decimation: asciilifeform: yeah it's true that 'selling os' is a terrible business

03:07:35 asciilifeform: no one will ever make a living, much less get rich, selling the sun.

03:13:12 asciilifeform: why the hell would anyone pay anyone to, e.g., kill mosquitoes, when 'deadheads' who paid nothing still get the 'product' (avoiding bites) ?

03:13:44 asciilifeform: !up Vexual

03:14:07 decimation: some people like to live in a civilized place, as opposed to barbarous

03:14:26 asciilifeform: this only goes so far

03:15:20 thestringpuller: anyone see anything about this project vault by google?

03:15:27 thestringpuller: suspiciously similar to cardano

03:15:29 asciilifeform: ?

03:15:48 asciilifeform: can't wait for the usg cardano.

03:15:56 asciilifeform: (anyone recall 'clipper' ?)

03:16:10 Vexual: fast ship?

03:16:21 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: i'm seeing a microsd single-chip turd

03:16:24 asciilifeform: snore.

03:16:49 asciilifeform: 'It also has an NFC chip and an antenna (for proving that you are in control and that it?s correctly authorized).' l0l!!!

03:17:23 asciilifeform: auditability? what's that.

03:18:04 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: yea pretty much usg cardano, just didn't know if it had been discussed. now it has.

03:18:33 asciilifeform: for young people >> https://epic.org/crypto/clipper << the original usg cardano.

03:19:33 asciilifeform: the first time around, they made the mistake of being honest about the intentions of backdooring

03:19:49 asciilifeform: http://opensource.com/government/15/2/us-government-retires-clipper-chip << not formally retracted as usg proclamation until 2015 !

03:22:09 asciilifeform: http://www.internethistorypodcast.com/2014/08/the-nsa-tried-this-before-what-the-90s-debate-over-the-clipper-chip-can-teach-us-about-digital-privacy-debates << moar on the subject. tabloid, but with pretty picturez.

03:23:09 decimation: asciilifeform: note that usg doesn't really need to be 'good', it's just that there's no credible alternative

03:23:09 asciilifeform: onetimepad with goose quill pens and dice is still more credible alternative than anything out of usg & co.

03:23:43 Vexual: elegant

03:24:26 Vexual: none of this shoehorn a shit onto your shit

03:25:06 Vexual: so you might tread thru shit

03:26:58 asciilifeform: at any rate, google is ripping off folks like https://www.nitrokey.com and the two or three similar items discussed in previous logs

03:27:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.0003118 = 1.5902 BTC [+]

03:27:58 Vexual: i assumed vault was just a word that presumed they were better than apple at storing nudes, so i didnt look

03:27:58 Vexual: what is it?

03:28:24 mircea_popescu: <Adlai> who needs documentation when you have live support << what's this, camwhoring for geeks ?

03:28:27 asciilifeform: Vexual: sd card with single-chip 'crypto coprocessor' (a la the atmel turd discussed a few months ago; possibly even the very same) - with extra holy water and marketing drivel included

03:28:40 Adlai: pretty much

03:28:47 Adlai: shellwhoring

03:31:33 asciilifeform: thestringpuller, decimation: whether snowden & co. started out as psyop or not, fact is that at this point it is 100% a marketing machine for 'vaults' and 'redpNohes' of a thousand and one kinds

03:32:10 Vexual: sd card is the only hole on a google netbook?

03:32:43 asciilifeform: Vexual: the only (usable) hole in a google pNohe

03:32:48 asciilifeform: hence the form factor.

03:32:50 Vexual: ah

03:33:44 asciilifeform: regardless of what kind of pig you might own, the hucksters will gladly sell you fourteen varieties of s333k0000r1ty!!!11 lipstick for it.

03:33:54 mircea_popescu: country of fat stupid people with government issued money. of course everything will end up marketing.

03:34:11 mircea_popescu: the entire french language is, in the us, a sort of marketing ploy.

03:34:50 decimation: heh yeah that's true

03:34:51 *: asciilifeform picks up phone, calls airline, asks to buy ticket to country where they have thin smart people with non-governmental money

03:35:12 *: mircea_popescu too.

03:35:26 mircea_popescu: used to be russia, amusingly enough

03:35:41 asciilifeform: afaik they still have the 'thin' working

03:39:46 danielpbarron: ;;later tell Luke-Jr hey look it's that game you like to play! -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoldFvlYwyM

03:40:46 gribble: The operation succeeded.

03:42:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90856 @ 0.0003196 = 29.0376 BTC [+] {3}

03:45:38 mircea_popescu: bwahahaha wait, there's derps actually writing on tardstalk like all seriously and naively and whatnot ?

03:45:43 mircea_popescu: jesus the internet's a riot.

03:51:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40750 @ 0.0003293 = 13.419 BTC [+]

03:57:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46610 @ 0.00032626 = 15.207 BTC [-]

03:57:24 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149292 << /me greps for ben_vulpes in there, finds entry in title

03:57:24 assbot: Logged on 01-06-2015 02:28:46; mod6: http://thebitcoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000096.html << The State of Bitcoin Address

03:57:30 mircea_popescu: whatcher doin' these days yo ?

04:03:34 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149352 on one hand, they're talking to a crowd, and for that particular crowd talking sense means you lose. why the fuck they imagine against plainly obvious reality that it still matters or can help them is besides the point here. on the other hand, they don't want to help. formulating cogent criticisms is helping.

04:03:34 assbot: Logged on 01-06-2015 02:54:08; asciilifeform: imho one of the most perplexing things about 'anti-bitcoin' agitators is how they all - to a man - miss the most cogent argument against bitcoin: it being, how it is implemented

04:04:11 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149357 << you must have missed the story about the powerless airbus because java.

04:04:11 assbot: Logged on 01-06-2015 02:55:51; asciilifeform: most folks have had some (albeit unconscious) encounters with it - riding airplanes, etc

04:04:54 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149360 << nothing worth the mention was ever done by anything but hobbysts. they do flight. "industry" and so on does the f-35.

04:04:54 assbot: Logged on 01-06-2015 02:59:32; decimation: certainly not by hobbyists

04:05:26 decimation: that's a point, but there's a world of difference between a flying bicycle and a fancy jet

04:07:25 mircea_popescu: "In a short notice published last month, the National Institute for Standards and Technology (NIST) announced it was retiring a number of Federal Information Processing Standards (FIPS) because they were obsolete. Notably, that list of retirements includes FIPS-185."

04:08:35 mircea_popescu: and someone somewhere still naively proposes the nist be taken as anything but the goskomstat ?

04:08:50 mircea_popescu: decimation the jet is merely a derivative work off hobbysts stuff

04:08:51 decimation: in fact if you would have zapped an f-35 back to kitty hawk, nc the wright brothers would have just given up

04:08:55 mircea_popescu: in this case, henry coanda.

04:09:20 mircea_popescu: decimation o, they would, would they ?

04:09:23 decimation: 'derivative' in the sense that the wright flyer had almost zero in common, other than they were both flying things

04:10:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45900 @ 0.00033067 = 15.1778 BTC [+] {2}

04:10:20 mircea_popescu: i said coanda

04:11:56 decimation: the wright brothers almost immediately began selling to usg

04:12:01 decimation: who else is gonna pay for the sun

04:31:04 hanbot: hey mod6 well done on the foundation report. clearly & intelligibly conveys the ample and useful work being done.

04:36:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50232 @ 0.00033596 = 16.8759 BTC [+] {2}

04:37:57 mircea_popescu: ;;google 1 exahash

04:37:58 gribble: What does one exahash look like? | StandardCrypto: http://blog.standardcrypto.com/2013/09/17/what-does-one-exahash-look-like/; BitBet - BTC network hashrate will exceed 1 Exahash/s before June ...: https://bitbet.us/bet/1074/btc-network-hashrate-will-exceed-1-exahash-s-before/; BitcoinBrothers - GetHashing Crypto Community Forum: (1 more message)

04:38:05 mircea_popescu: win

05:04:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62850 @ 0.00033897 = 21.3043 BTC [+] {4}

05:15:32 mod6: thx hanbot :]

05:19:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21000 @ 0.00034015 = 7.1432 BTC [+]

05:32:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15150 @ 0.00033335 = 5.0503 BTC [-] {2}

05:58:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40900 @ 0.00034015 = 13.9121 BTC [+]

06:01:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44800 @ 0.00033201 = 14.874 BTC [-]

06:16:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21350 @ 0.00034015 = 7.2622 BTC [+]

06:24:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55077 @ 0.00033039 = 18.1969 BTC [-] {3}

07:01:20 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/Free_Ross/status/605177614282715137

07:05:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27539 @ 0.00032955 = 9.0755 BTC [-]

07:22:44 mats: i miss assbot titles

07:35:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20891 @ 0.00032937 = 6.8809 BTC [-] {2}

07:40:26 mats: http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2015/May-31/299962-iraq-lost-2300-humvees-in-mosul-pm.ashx

07:45:20 mats: http://www.military.com/daily-news/2015/05/30/no-women-pass-army-ranger-school-three-invited-to-start-over.html?ESRC=todayinmil.sm

07:55:07 BingoBoingo: !up chalbersma

07:55:19 BingoBoingo: !up liquidassets

07:59:31 liquidassets: ;;rate BingoBoingo leader of men, helped me get started with gpg, knows how to write a headline!

07:59:32 gribble: Error: 'leader' is not a valid integer.

08:00:32 liquidassets: ;;rate BingoBoingo 1 leader of men, helped me get started with gpg, knows how to write a headline!

08:00:33 gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.

08:00:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14073 @ 0.00032792 = 4.6148 BTC [-]

08:00:55 liquidassets: !h

08:00:55 assbot: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot

08:04:58 chalbersma: Hello all. It's been too long.

08:13:44 BingoBoingo: It really has

08:13:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58900 @ 0.00033992 = 20.0213 BTC [+] {2}

08:16:11 chalbersma: How have things been?

08:23:12 scoopbot_revived: Qntra (S.QNTR) May 2015 Statement http://qntra.net/2015/06/qntra-s-qntr-may-2015-statement/

08:23:16 BingoBoingo: not too bad

08:23:25 chalbersma: Good to hear.

08:24:52 liquidassets: chalbersma can you tell me about atc P2Pool ?

08:25:09 chalbersma: Sure what do you wish to know?

08:28:58 BingoBoingo: !UP liquidassets

08:29:09 liquidassets: thanks

08:31:24 liquidassets: chalbersma mining is foreign to me, do you make the nodes? how do you become a client?

08:32:42 liquidassets: !s ATC

08:32:43 assbot: 1216 results for 'ATC' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ATC

08:33:12 chalbersma: So with P2Pool the idea is that you will run a mining "pool" that share's it's load with other mining "pools". There a cryptographic chain keeping track of work so that you can't cheat or mine a block and then keep it. So in the end instead of having one centralized plae where all the mining work is kept you get the benefits of the pool with bitcoin like decentralization.

08:34:04 chalbersma: In this case I forked the bitcoin p2pool implementation (https://github.com/forrestv/p2pool) added a better interface and ported it over to ATC pool (under the hoods it're really just a couple of lines).

08:34:58 chalbersma: Think is I don't think that anybody is actually using ATC P2Pool implementation anymore. The contract for the build had 1 month of runtime and then MP and Ragnar I believe ran the p2pool node for a while. But ATC didn't seem to catch on that much.

08:36:03 BingoBoingo: http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-woes-of-altcoin-or-why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-cryptocurrencies/ << Mining with chainhoppers became untenable

08:37:21 chalbersma: Yes at the time they had a big problem with the network effect. Difficulty had skyrocketed because of some market movement that made it (temporarily) more profitable to mine than bitcoin.

08:39:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33674 @ 0.00034015 = 11.4542 BTC [+]

08:41:11 BingoBoingo: Well, it was just the difficulty cycling. For a while it was manageable, but eventually swings were uncontainable

08:41:34 liquidassets: thanks for sharing, so what was unique about the fork, just the interface?

08:42:02 BingoBoingo: Oh it was pretty much just bitcoin with some different numbers

08:43:03 chalbersma: Fork of P2Pool or ATC?

08:45:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @ 0.0003333 = 2.8664 BTC [-]

08:48:42 chalbersma: !btc

08:49:12 liquidassets: What is ATC I can't find a reference

08:50:40 liquidassets: So ATC is a specific pool of miners?

08:52:10 BingoBoingo: liquidassets: ATC was... Altcoin

08:52:30 BingoBoingo: atc.blockr.io

08:53:01 liquidassets: an altcoin named Altcoin?

08:53:19 BingoBoingo: Yeah

08:54:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54533 @ 0.0003333 = 18.1758 BTC [-]

08:55:20 chalbersma: yep

08:55:45 mats: so meta

08:56:11 liquidassets: so you're responsible

08:56:18 liquidassets: j/k

08:58:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00034015 = 1.9048 BTC [+]

09:10:39 punkman: asciilifeform: decimation: if you didn't verify the entire blockchain from end to end, you aren't a node! << this will be fun to do because of all the different openssl versions that have shat on the blockchain. iirc the thing skips verification of whole blocks and then relies on verifying a single (checkpoint) block.

09:11:43 punkman: and when I tried to verify all of them, it blew up before block 150k

09:25:12 cazalla: lol australian housing bubble keeps on going.. place not far from here auctioned on weekend.. i figured it'd go for 600k maybe 650k.. sells for 971k http://www.realestate.com.au/property-house-vic-ringwood-119702667

09:33:24 BingoBoingo: 3 bed, 2 bath?

09:34:04 cazalla: what.. one million isn't reasonable for that?

09:38:31 BingoBoingo: In this part of USia a freestanding house of that size would more prominently be advertsising... vast tracts of land...

09:39:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71250 @ 0.00034042 = 24.2549 BTC [+] {3}

09:40:31 cazalla: prob isn't working class people buying it but the chinese.. a lot of foreign investment of aussie housing is coming from china past few years, thought is that they dont mind paying huge premiums just to get their money outta there

09:46:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15723 @ 0.0003333 = 5.2405 BTC [-]

09:49:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39550 @ 0.00032904 = 13.0135 BTC [-] {2}

09:53:03 BingoBoingo: Ah, stamp collecting

10:01:05 scoopbot_revived: A sunnier side of Narcissus. http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/01/a-sunnier-side-of-narcissus/

10:09:54 scoopbot_revived: Foundation Report Bring Bitcoin Client Performance Improvement and Testing http://qntra.net/2015/06/foundation-report-bring-bitcoin-client-performance-improvement-and-testing/

10:11:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8126 @ 0.000329 = 2.6735 BTC [-]

10:21:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00032819 = 6.4982 BTC [-]

10:22:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12801 @ 0.00032835 = 4.2032 BTC [+] {2}

10:28:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29750 @ 0.00033038 = 9.8288 BTC [+] {2}

10:37:09 punkman: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/malaysia-airlines-technically-bankrupt-after-twin-air-disasters-spur-thousands-of-job-losses-10288533.html

10:47:07 jurov: http://www.edwards.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/photos/2015/03/150322-F-EU155-480.jpg lol around here "aircraft" denotes ponzi or sketchy enterprise

10:52:05 jurov: !mpif

10:52:06 assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021372 B (Total: 467.36 B). Delta: 0.18 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000207 BTC [+]

10:52:11 jurov: ! m f.mpif

10:52:15 jurov: !t m f.mpif

10:52:15 assbot: [MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.000206 / 0.00020666 / 0.000207 (89560 shares, 18.51 BTC)

10:53:01 jurov: ;;calc 21372/1.01

10:53:01 gribble: 21160.3960396

10:53:06 jurov: ;;calc 21372*1.01

10:53:06 gribble: 21585.72

11:52:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35813 @ 0.00033192 = 11.8871 BTC [+]

12:02:49 scoopbot_revived: The sexual chains that bind. http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/01/the-sexual-chains-that-bind/

12:07:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4507 @ 0.00033192 = 1.496 BTC [+]

12:19:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79644 @ 0.00032717 = 26.0571 BTC [-] {2}

12:27:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45908 @ 0.00032898 = 15.1028 BTC [+] {2}

12:28:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52792 @ 0.00033607 = 17.7418 BTC [+]

12:32:02 jurov: deedbot- http://explo.yt/public/fmpif_201505.txt.asc

12:33:02 deedbot-: accepted: 1

12:34:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24850 @ 0.0003263 = 8.1086 BTC [-]

12:37:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41521 @ 0.00033616 = 13.9577 BTC [+] {3}

12:45:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39500 @ 0.00034236 = 13.5232 BTC [+] {2}

12:47:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00032481 = 2.6634 BTC [-] {2}

12:53:25 scoopbot_revived: F.MPIF May 2015 trading statement http://explo.yt/post/2015/06/01/F.MPIF-May-2015-trading-statement

13:01:13 mircea_popescu: lol ddosing fraudsters etc, srsly ?

13:01:15 mircea_popescu: noobs.

13:13:38 BingoBoingo: !up devthedev

13:16:41 BingoBoingo: !s RNG

13:16:42 assbot: 378 results for 'RNG' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=RNG

13:27:10 BingoBoingo: !up bitcoinalpha

13:27:51 bitcoinalpha: mircea popescu is a lowlife scumbag

13:27:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78250 @ 0.00034005 = 26.6089 BTC [+] {3}

13:28:31 mircea_popescu: herp ?

13:30:04 bitcoinalpha: what are you going to do about gavincoin?

13:30:39 mircea_popescu: not give a shit ?

13:30:54 mircea_popescu: same thing i did about doge, keisercoin, auroracoin, younameitcoin

13:31:42 mircea_popescu: bitcoin has no shortage of satoshi impersonators trying to push scamcoins.

13:32:34 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149468 << clearly they were armored o.O

13:32:34 assbot: Logged on 01-06-2015 07:40:26; mats: http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2015/May-31/299962-iraq-lost-2300-humvees-in-mosul-pm.ashx

13:33:09 bitcoinalpha: mircea: comment about the 30% price decline ?

13:33:13 bitcoinalpha: since jan 1

13:33:44 mircea_popescu: i think reddit awaits you.

13:33:47 mircea_popescu: !down bitcoinalpha

13:35:50 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149466 << yeah, they were useful.

13:35:50 assbot: Logged on 01-06-2015 07:22:44; mats: i miss assbot titles

13:38:04 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149517 << as ruined by gavin & co, yes.

13:38:04 assbot: Logged on 01-06-2015 09:10:39; punkman: asciilifeform: decimation: if you didn't verify the entire blockchain from end to end, you aren't a node! << this will be fun to do because of all the different openssl versions that have shat on the blockchain. iirc the thing skips verification of whole blocks and then relies on verifying a single (checkpoint) block.

13:38:29 mircea_popescu: but they were disallowed from actually taking the next step, ie, make blocks unverifiable.

13:38:38 mircea_popescu: atm the whole chain still verifies if you care to.

13:39:06 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149518 << obviously, you can't use the scam bitcoind versions for this purpose.

13:39:06 assbot: Logged on 01-06-2015 09:11:43; punkman: and when I tried to verify all of them, it blew up before block 150k

13:40:08 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149524 << pretty much exactly. argentine housing bubble is supported by the fact that locals can't get their money out, so they buy real estate "for investment", ie, way overpriced.

13:40:08 assbot: Logged on 01-06-2015 09:40:31; cazalla: prob isn't working class people buying it but the chinese.. a lot of foreign investment of aussie housing is coming from china past few years, thought is that they dont mind paying huge premiums just to get their money outta there

13:42:57 punkman: mircea_popescu: atm the whole chain still verifies if you care to. << has anyone actually accomplished this? verify every single transaction and block to date?

13:43:05 mircea_popescu: yes.

13:43:25 mircea_popescu: get say the foundation bitcoin, do it yourself.

13:43:44 punkman: my test was with foundation bitcoind before the release though

13:43:54 punkman: maybe I had wrong openssl version, dunno

13:44:34 mircea_popescu: which was this ?

13:46:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30100 @ 0.00034289 = 10.321 BTC [+]

13:46:29 punkman: which this?

13:48:14 mircea_popescu: " foundation bitcoind before the release"

13:51:09 punkman: I think I put in all the patches currently listed on thebitcoin.foundation front page, except perhaps static-makefile.tar.gz. And used whatever openssl etc that was present on my debian7 system.

13:52:08 punkman: doesn't verify everything, needs removal of the conditional that skips blocks

13:52:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38003 @ 0.00032128 = 12.2096 BTC [-] {2}

13:53:04 punkman: !up shinohai

13:53:17 shinohai: thx punkman

13:54:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20447 @ 0.00031823 = 6.5068 BTC [-]

13:55:14 shinohai: mod6 when you return, wanted to let you know I built without the irc peer discovery and it works nice.

13:57:52 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Is the qntra server under DoS?

13:57:57 mircea_popescu: yeah

13:59:05 mircea_popescu: 256 requests currently being processed, 0 idle workers





13:59:07 mircea_popescu: sorta deal >D

13:59:44 BingoBoingo: ah

14:00:04 mircea_popescu: anyway, server's fine, just slow.

14:00:10 mircea_popescu: i prefer this, because it drains the attacker.

14:00:22 mircea_popescu: and besides... servers made for workin neh ? 100% capacity ftw.

14:01:12 mircea_popescu: 142 requests/sec sounds pretty good anyway.

14:01:21 BingoBoingo: Ah, cool

14:03:07 shinohai: https://twitter.com/aantonop/status/595601619581964289 <<< the smacktardedness spreads

14:03:45 mircea_popescu: check it out, lazar revived.

14:04:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67550 @ 0.00031817 = 21.4924 BTC [-] {2}

14:15:30 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149602 << and kept what? the hardcoded ip seeds, of which 2 or 3 are alive? the hardcoded dns seeds, controlled by the enemy? srsly

14:15:30 assbot: Logged on 01-06-2015 13:55:14; shinohai: mod6 when you return, wanted to let you know I built without the irc peer discovery and it works nice.

14:15:48 asciilifeform: the irc mechanism is perhaps the only built-in seed thing worth keeping

14:16:16 shinohai: No one has given me any "trusted" nodes yet.

14:16:30 asciilifeform: shinohai: irc gives next best thing: 100% pre-gavinization nodes

14:16:47 shinohai: how does that work?

14:16:59 asciilifeform: shinohai: irc seeding was snipped from the gavin branch long ago

14:17:37 shinohai: I know it was removed, but when I last spoke to mod6 I think he told me to just connect normally for now

14:17:51 asciilifeform: what is 'normally' ?

14:18:21 shinohai: To whatever peers it connects to instead of specifying ip's

14:19:19 shinohai: But yes, I see the point. Perhaps irc is the best way to find non-gavinized nodes.

14:20:23 asciilifeform: currently best.

14:21:14 asciilifeform: stands to reason that once enemy engages he'll begin to spam the remaining irc seed chans - or even backport mechanism to his branch

14:21:24 asciilifeform: but at present time this has not happened.

14:21:54 shinohai: So is it possible to change the *network* it connects to, to one under your control ?

14:22:05 shinohai: Or is that a moot point

14:23:45 asciilifeform: shinohai: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/irc.cpp#0270

14:24:45 asciilifeform: go, change.

14:24:50 asciilifeform: !up shinohai

14:25:04 shinohai: I have that same line already ?

14:25:13 asciilifeform: well yes

14:25:26 asciilifeform: but question was 'how to change network it connects to', no ?

14:26:22 shinohai: Twas a theoretical question, supposing the original network is spammed/compromised.

14:28:41 *: shinohai reverts changes

14:36:14 jurov: deedbot- http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150601/attachment_9bdc72d1f44647c3690340d290b4d0eeeae8b794.txt http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150531/attachment_fbcbdbbbf27cc9ec17055e2635cb71abc6c6c05a.txt

14:38:14 deedbot-: Bad URL or network outage.

14:38:14 jurov: deedbot- http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150531/attachment_fbcbdbbbf27cc9ec17055e2635cb71abc6c6c05a.txt

14:39:14 deedbot-: accepted: 1

14:39:14 jurov: deedbot- http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150601/attachment_9bdc72d1f44647c3690340d290b4d0eeeae8b794.txt

14:40:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54624 @ 0.00031571 = 17.2453 BTC [-] {3}

14:40:14 deedbot-: accepted: 1

14:40:14 jurov: williamdunne: it can perhaps accept multiple urls

14:40:14 jurov: mod6, good job with the report!

14:42:10 jurov: http://deedbot.org/deed-2015-04-01-21-13-14.txt wow what????

14:43:10 jurov: "This is to certify that any person with a WoT account in assbot's L2 list that can show proof their property was confiscated through the direct or indirect workings of the soi-dissant "Executive Order" issued April 1st, 2015 by the criminal group illegally misidentifying itself as "government of the United States" will receive a 1 (one) Bitcoin compensation on the spot

14:43:10 jurov: and as progressing confiscation and dispossession of real estates, chattels and intangibles currently held without right by the aforementioned criminal group allows, further compensation to satisfy at least five times the value of property lost at the time the loss occurred.

14:43:10 jurov: "

14:43:10 *: mircea_popescu waves

14:43:11 shinohai: O.o

14:45:47 davout: !up Relos

14:46:06 Relos: thanks

14:46:08 jurov: !up referredbyloper

14:46:16 Relos: how do you guys propose to increase the node count?

14:46:39 davout: Relos: you have some log reading to do obviously

14:46:41 jurov: Relos are you aware of pogoplug development?

14:46:43 davout: !s pogo

14:46:44 assbot: 491 results for 'pogo' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=pogo

14:47:05 davout: Relos: come back when you've investigated that

14:47:09 davout: bye!

14:47:12 davout: !down Relos

14:47:18 mircea_popescu: !up Landgull

14:48:06 Landgull: Thanks. So is someone seriously trying to DDOS a philosophy blog?

14:48:19 Landgull: Isn't that, essentially, an admission that you're right?

14:48:22 jurov: davout hasn't waken up well?

14:48:51 williamdunne: jurov: I don't own Deedbot

14:49:03 jurov: williamdunne: sorry, mixed it up

14:49:14 williamdunne: Thats fine:)

14:49:22 davout: jurov: no no, it's just some guy that was asking questions about "what's mpex proposing regarding block size", told him to come ask, now he has some elements of answer

14:49:31 jurov: Landgull don't feed mircea's ego, it's big enough already :DD

14:49:47 mod6: thx jurov :]

14:50:03 shinohai: 140k blocks to go ....

14:50:11 Landgull: Hey, I didn't say he was right - just that someone with a botnet thinks he's right.

14:50:28 jurov: lolk

14:50:54 Landgull: Also: Remarkably apropos that such an executive order would be on April 1st...

14:51:57 referredbyloper: Thinking about this block size discussion in light of this text "The cancer of bureaucracy: How it will destroy science, medicine, education; and eventually everything else" http://gen.lib.rus.ec/scimag/index.php?s=The%20cancer%20of%20bureaucracy:%20how%20it%20will%20destroy%20science,%20medicine,%20education;%20and%20eventually%20everything%20else

14:52:57 jurov: "Could not connect to the database: User 'scimag_read' has exceeded the 'max_user_connections' resource (current value: 40)"

14:53:54 mod6: <+shinohai> To whatever peers it connects to instead of specifying ip's << hi! glad you're having some success,.. I thought we added ascii's dns snip patch? Or did I mis-remember that? you did have to use "addnode=" in your bitcoin.conf right?

14:55:18 referredbyloper: mirrir link to pdf http://lib.gen.in/ocean/a16368dc50de93109e329b253cc51f44/10.1016%40j.mehy.2009.11.038.pdf or http://gen.lib.rus.ec/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1016%2Fj.mehy.2009.11.038

14:57:18 mircea_popescu: Landgull the internet consists among other things of millions of unparented children.

14:57:18 mircea_popescu: they still need parenting, even if nobody can be arsed to provide for them. so they beg as best they can.

14:57:18 mod6: !up shinohai

14:57:18 mod6: eh, i must be stale again

14:57:18 Landgull: Well sure, but kids don't waste their time on things they don't care about. You don't see them pulling pigtails because they think a girl is ugly.

14:58:00 mircea_popescu: i would guess it'd depend just how desperate they are.

14:58:47 Landgull: Eh, anyone who has tried to censor tends to find themselves outlived by the works they're trying to censor, if history is any guide.

14:59:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 168 @ 0.006 = 1.008 BTC [-]

14:59:40 mircea_popescu: this is more like the equivalent of dog sniffing.

14:59:52 mircea_popescu: it figures it owes it to itself to come sniff you because hey, IT EXISTS!!1

15:00:12 mircea_popescu: did you think it didn't exist ? don't you DARE THINK IT DOESNT EXIST OMYGAWD!!1

15:00:13 mircea_popescu: etc.

15:00:19 Landgull: Ahh.

15:02:22 Landgull: At any rate, I've been reading the logs for a bit and I like the kind of discussion that seems to happen in here, so I thought I'd say hi.

15:03:37 mircea_popescu: cool.

15:06:01 shinohai: This is about the only place that isn't an echo chamber anymore sadly.

15:08:46 Landgull: Mmm, echo chambers only matter to politicians pandering to votes, though. Or 50%+1 attacks via democracy, I suppose.

15:19:53 BingoBoingo: !up Landgull

15:21:38 Landgull: Thanks.

15:22:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18700 @ 0.00033088 = 6.1875 BTC [+]

15:24:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48750 @ 0.00033145 = 16.1582 BTC [+] {2}

15:25:39 jurov: !t m s.mpoe

15:25:39 assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00030494 / 0.00032685 / 0.00034289 (2527042 shares, 825.98 BTC), 7D: 0.00027782 / 0.0003109 / 0.00035229 (23430932 shares, 7,284.73 BTC), 30D: 0.00019511 / 0.00026678 / 0.00035229 (133425037 shares, 35,596.45 BTC)

15:31:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 193141 @ 0.0003399 = 65.6486 BTC [+] {4}

15:32:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17459 @ 0.00034373 = 6.0012 BTC [+]

15:40:14 Landgull: So why is it that all of the sudden I'm hearing about people wanting to put everything and their cat in the blockchain? Is it actually a good idea, or is it just a way to attack/overwhelm the network?

15:54:57 mircea_popescu: this isn't new.

16:15:32 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: drowning

16:15:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42403 @ 0.00032996 = 13.9913 BTC [-] {2}

16:16:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6297 @ 0.0003243 = 2.0421 BTC [-]

16:27:48 trinque: Landgull: dunno about everything and their cat, but putting cryptographic hashes in the blockchain is a marvelous idea

16:37:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7819 @ 0.00033413 = 2.6126 BTC [+]

17:07:21 thestringpuller: the redditards are clusterfucking into a pitchfork mob now?!?

17:13:33 BingoBoingo: nah, they are pitchfuckingforks into a clustermob.

17:15:52 williamdunne: They're square-jerking circular-pitchforks in the middle of a Block Chain authenticated cluster-chain

17:18:17 danielpbarron: !up shinohai

17:19:01 shinohai: o/ danielpbarron

17:19:24 danielpbarron: hi who are you?

17:20:09 shinohai: Just a random user that has chosen his side on this silly BS increase war.

17:20:24 thestringpuller: not a war yet

17:20:28 thestringpuller: but axetime soon

17:20:48 shinohai: I like to be prepared for all contingencies.

17:20:59 thestringpuller: well only new fork coins will take losses.

17:21:10 thestringpuller: cause old coin can be cloned to the fork

17:22:49 shinohai: I "almost" have a node up.

17:23:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79500 @ 0.00031865 = 25.3327 BTC [-] {4}

17:25:50 BingoBoingo: !up hulkhogan_

17:25:58 BingoBoingo: !up joesmoe

17:27:02 shinohai: qntra.net is back up for me \o/

17:38:33 danielpbarron: !v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.shinohai.1:90bf716226dda3c5a21ef3c856b0cbdefbf7e153a88a194e3cfcce9da785f377

17:38:33 assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for shinohai with note: fresh meat bitcoind hacker

17:41:16 shinohai: xD

17:41:22 shinohai: thanks

17:42:59 williamdunne: You're now in L2 of Assbot and can !up yourself

17:43:44 danielpbarron: !up ascii_field

17:43:48 danielpbarron: !up bitcoinfailed

17:44:02 jurov: shinohai: don't forget other goodies like put deeds, send email to btc-dev mailing list (once it syncs with assbot)

17:45:22 bitcoinfailed: is anyone even trading on the mpex exchange?

17:45:26 bitcoinfailed: or is it still just bots and mircea

17:45:49 bitcoinfailed: why did mpex stop listing calls/puts?

17:45:58 danielpbarron: i think there's a blog post about that

17:46:09 danielpbarron: why don't you go and read the log

17:46:14 bitcoinfailed: from pornographer popescu

17:46:21 bitcoinfailed: why dont you fuck off and tell me instead.

17:46:24 bitcoinfailed: that what the chat for

17:46:26 danielpbarron: !down bitcoinfailed

17:46:31 ben_vulpes: !up bitcoinfailed

17:46:35 danielpbarron: lol

17:46:36 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149686 << afaik it was never merged

17:46:36 assbot: Logged on 01-06-2015 14:53:54; mod6: <+shinohai> To whatever peers it connects to instead of specifying ip's << hi! glad you're having some success,.. I thought we added ascii's dns snip patch? Or did I mis-remember that? you did have to use "addnode=" in your bitcoin.conf right?

17:46:37 ben_vulpes: tiberius, is that you?

17:46:50 shinohai: np jurov, I signed up for mailing list last week

17:47:22 mod6: <+ascii_field> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149686 << afaik it was never merged << it wasn't. but I had him apply it while helping him get setup.

17:47:22 assbot: Logged on 01-06-2015 14:53:54; mod6: <+shinohai> To whatever peers it connects to instead of specifying ip's << hi! glad you're having some success,.. I thought we added ascii's dns snip patch? Or did I mis-remember that? you did have to use "addnode=" in your bitcoin.conf right?

17:49:01 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes heh just you wait till kid actually showis up.

17:49:05 mircea_popescu: cazalla has the scoop on that

17:49:31 mod6: He was running deb8 on one box, and then stock v0.5.3.1-RELEASE worked fine. but on a seperate instance of deb8, he reported the boost type issues, so I had him follow these instructions: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-April/000082.html

17:50:31 mod6: Then it was working well as far as I know.

17:50:31 ascii_field: mod6: i was simply pointing out that it is not, afaik, part of the official therealbitcoin tree as of yet.

17:51:31 mircea_popescu: jeez check out the butthurt with the redditard crowd.

17:51:45 mircea_popescu: nobody's fault you don't matter, peeps. talk to urmoms.

17:52:04 ascii_field: wai wat

17:52:27 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: what are you reading?

17:52:35 jurov: whole r/bitcoin is like let's move to bitcoin-xt

17:52:43 mircea_popescu: teh log

17:53:04 thestringpuller: yea. everyone is lining up to suck Gavin's dick more eagerly.

17:53:23 thestringpuller: denial before acceptance tho mr. popescu

17:53:37 ascii_field: let'em move to gavincoin, dogecoin, feathercoin

17:53:40 ascii_field: why is this of concern to us ?

17:53:54 thestringpuller: ascii_field: it's entertaining.

17:54:28 mircea_popescu: i think ipmi is the most retarded thing ever invented

17:54:39 mod6: <+ascii_field> mod6: i was simply pointing out that it is not, afaik, part of the official therealbitcoin tree as of yet. << ahh corret.

17:54:42 *: williamdunne checks, and sees exactly 15 bitcoin-xt nodes

17:54:43 mircea_popescu: "let's make web interface for luser home routers a thing for servers"

17:54:43 mod6: *correct

17:54:47 *: williamdunne lel

17:55:18 *: williamdunne points at cpanel, sorry Mr.Popescu, your billion dollar idea has already been done! Its magical!

17:55:29 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: it's a mandatory usg rapehole; the remote admin thing is just a way to squeeze a bit of marketing juice out of it, since it is already there

17:55:50 mircea_popescu: mandatory how

17:56:15 ascii_field: try buy intel box with ecc support (read: xeon) without it.

17:56:38 mircea_popescu: what's wrong with colocate box with the thing smashed.

17:56:57 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: recent 'xeons' won't init unless thing is on the bus and functioning

17:57:04 ascii_field: this was discussed here in the past

17:57:22 mircea_popescu: apparently i've not been paying attention.

17:57:30 mircea_popescu: anywya

17:57:51 williamdunne: Couldn't this be partially solved with a rather stringent firewall policy (off-machine ofc)

17:58:19 mircea_popescu: obviously machine won't listen to you.

17:58:34 mircea_popescu: what's off machine, another machine ?

17:58:46 williamdunne: mYeah, but one not running the same shit

17:58:50 ascii_field: not to mention the fact that it hijacks your nics

17:59:04 ascii_field: and that it is far from certain what precisely the magic packet looks like

17:59:12 mircea_popescu: if you have one not running thre same shit just run that then

17:59:31 jurov: williamdunne: it could accept perfectly ordinary tcp packet

17:59:38 williamdunne: Hardware firewall doesn't run web servers too well..

18:00:09 ascii_field: jurov: sure. i was trying to point out that the answer 'well firewall it off' is not a pill against this kind of thing

18:00:36 williamdunne: So when are we buying those Russian servers?

18:01:31 mircea_popescu: heh

18:01:44 trinque: the steam computer?

18:01:53 mircea_popescu: lol williamdunne owns #bitcoin-xt ?

18:03:53 ascii_field: williamdunne: afaik they are not sold to public.

18:04:11 ascii_field: but to 'k00l k1dz' only

18:04:15 mircea_popescu: i didn't find a supplier.

18:04:20 williamdunne: I do indeed

18:04:24 ascii_field: afaik nobody's found a supplier.

18:04:47 williamdunne: Hence "For discussion of the bitcoin-xt potentialt"

18:04:55 williamdunne: Cheeky joke in the end there

18:05:07 ascii_field: when do we get 'bitcoin-at' ?

18:05:32 williamdunne: After bitcoin-bh

18:07:41 jurov: no, bitcoin-jr

18:07:46 jurov: :DDD

18:08:07 mircea_popescu: lol

18:08:32 ascii_field: bitcoin-64

18:14:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50667 @ 0.00031932 = 16.179 BTC [+] {2}

18:19:17 thestringpuller: !up ascii_field

18:28:36 mircea_popescu: !h

18:28:36 assbot: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot

18:36:24 williamdunne: Its really amazing what we can do with proper scientific procedures..

18:36:24 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

18:36:26 williamdunne: http://www.financialexpress.com/article/industry/and-the-stinkiest-people-in-europe-are-french/78441/

18:37:26 williamdunne: "And the ‘stinkiest’ people in Europe are French

18:37:26 williamdunne: A new study has officially proved that French are smelly and Dutch, Germans and Scandinavians are the cleanest ones."

18:38:26 jurov: lol they prolly didn't do the study in central/eastern eu

18:39:20 williamdunne: Facebook has added PGP support..

18:39:21 williamdunne: http://thehackernews.com/2015/06/facebook-pgp-keys.html

18:40:21 jurov: "All the emails you receive from Facebook will be protected with encryption, ensuring that no one — even NSA or any other spy agency — can read the content of the messages without the access to your private key." rofl

18:40:21 trinque: ...what

18:40:47 mircea_popescu: o.O

18:40:52 mats: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/how-a-reviled-african-ruler-survived-a-coup-hatched-in-the-united-states/2015/05/31/a9fc1772-0485-11e5-8bda-c7b4e9a8f7ac_story.html

18:41:52 trinque: so facebook is a keyserver now

18:41:52 jurov: http://vaide.ro/craiova-izoleaza-termic-gardul-cimitirului/ << related

18:42:52 mats: USG discovers american citizens involved in foreign, would-be coup, decides to sell them out to local security rather than dealing with it themselves

18:43:53 ascii_field: mats: i distinctly recall hearing of this before

18:44:05 ascii_field: in one of the old 'failed micronations' threads

18:44:54 williamdunne: Lol, confirmed

18:44:55 williamdunne: http://imgur.com/a/cRzeN

18:45:55 williamdunne: Yeah, its a keyserver now..

18:45:55 ascii_field: usg reserves some of its fastest and least-bureaucratized immune reactions for mutinies which might attract u.s. 'men of action'

18:45:55 williamdunne: But yeah, like thats going to combat the NSA

18:45:58 williamdunne: Keyserver thing could be ...kinda useful I guess?

18:48:15 *: williamdunne has just been flagged to NSA by facebook as someone who uses PGP

18:49:45 mircea_popescu: jurov wait what's that ?

18:50:14 trinque: williamdunne: holy lol @ the idea that them encrypting email to me does *anything*

18:50:29 jurov: mircea_popescu: it's same lulzy "protection" as the facebook gpg stuff

18:50:37 mircea_popescu: ah lol

18:50:44 trinque: what they don't have a database now?

18:52:19 williamdunne: trinque: IKR? Pretending that the NSA isn't already embedded 12 inches in their rectum

18:52:42 trinque: bullshit factory produces bullshit, more at 11

18:54:42 trinque: and then google chrome ships a diddled gpg plugin

18:55:38 *: trinque revels in this new watershed of freedom post-lapse of the patriot act

18:55:39 williamdunne: Which'll require that you import your key..

18:55:49 trinque: of course the browser will need the private key

18:55:51 trinque: for reasons

18:56:00 williamdunne: huehuehue

18:56:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00031397 = 2.449 BTC [-] {2}

18:56:25 williamdunne: http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140527021842/oliver-jameson-enterprises/images/f/f4/Stereotype-jew.gif

18:57:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34889 @ 0.00031356 = 10.9398 BTC [-] {2}

18:57:25 trinque: d-did the jews do facebook?

18:57:25 williamdunne: Zucker*burg*

18:57:25 trinque: meine got!

18:57:25 trinque: *mein gott

18:57:29 trinque: well now it all makes sense

18:57:52 williamdunne: USG already pays good money to dell and the likes for information on who buys what from them, and what bitcoin addresses are involved in the transaction

18:58:02 williamdunne: So wouldn't be surprised if they just outright buy facebook's data

18:58:27 trinque: why wouldn't they? isn't that what facebook's business is?

18:58:36 trinque: gather sheep, whore them out?

18:58:59 williamdunne: I thought that was the Kiwis?

18:59:08 trinque: ehehehehe

19:01:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28400 @ 0.00032477 = 9.2235 BTC [+]

19:09:33 williamdunne: ECUREX bragging about being FATCA compliant, top kek

19:13:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16004 @ 0.00031339 = 5.0155 BTC [-] {2}

19:33:07 jurov: mircea_popescu: i see eulora moving, can we talk about release engineering reward?

19:33:26 mircea_popescu: about who ?

19:34:02 jurov: me

19:34:41 mircea_popescu: what is release engineering reward ?

19:35:08 williamdunne: Compiling binaries?

19:35:14 jurov: putting together somehow mostly-reliably working binaries

19:36:06 mircea_popescu: oh oh

19:36:06 mircea_popescu: yeah, shoot.

19:36:29 williamdunne: Someone is trying to crowdfund £150,000 to open an airport

19:36:29 scoopbot_revived: MiniGame (S.MG), April - May 2015 Combined Statement http://fraudsters.com/2015/minigame-smg-april-may-2015-combined-statement/

19:36:33 jurov: 0.5BTC or 5000 shares per version per platform (linux, osx, windows)

19:36:48 williamdunne: I shit you not

19:36:56 williamdunne: Imma invite them on here

19:37:20 mircea_popescu: !t m s.mg

19:37:20 assbot: [MPEX:S.MG] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.00009 / 0.00009 / 0.00009 (103015 shares, 9.27 BTC)

19:37:45 mircea_popescu: easier to give you btc i think. which windowses can you do ?

19:38:07 jurov: vista+

19:38:31 mircea_popescu: which windowses are even around anymore ? brb looking.

19:38:58 jurov: i don't think win compatibility is major problem

19:39:11 jurov: (xp's are really old, tho)

19:39:21 williamdunne: Win compatibility is actually really good tbh

19:39:23 mircea_popescu: Windows 7   58.39%

19:39:23 mircea_popescu: Windows XP   15.93%

19:39:23 mircea_popescu: Windows 8.1   11.16%

19:39:26 mircea_popescu: can you do these 3 ?

19:39:30 chetty: >>> doubts it will run on xp at all

19:39:30 mircea_popescu: or just 7/8 ?

19:39:35 mircea_popescu: !up flyplymouth

19:39:42 williamdunne: Hello flyplymouth

19:39:44 mircea_popescu: flyplymouth you the dude with the 150k airport ?

19:39:52 jurov: will ask my dude what would entail xp compatibility

19:39:52 flyplymouth: well I am one of them

19:40:09 mircea_popescu: you know, tracking radar is about 100x that

19:40:26 mircea_popescu: chetty why ?

19:40:26 williamdunne: http://www.flyplymouth.com/ How about an MPEX listing mircea?

19:41:27 flyplymouth: Recomissioning is circa £30m

19:41:27 mircea_popescu: jurov what about osx ?

19:41:27 williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Biggest thing in their favour is that it was an airport that was closed, doesn't need 100% rebuilding

19:41:27 chetty: graphics drivers

19:41:27 mircea_popescu: chetty nvidia tho.

19:41:27 flyplymouth: Put it into context £7bn for rail-link

19:41:27 mircea_popescu: exactly.

19:41:34 williamdunne: flyplymouth: So raise £150,000, then what?

19:41:58 williamdunne: Also, who is involved and how the hell are they qualified to run an airport?

19:42:16 williamdunne: Seems unlikely that someone who wants to run a social-enterprise is qualified to do anything more than make coffee

19:42:23 jurov: mircea_popescu: looks like it can be snow leoprd and newer

19:42:31 flyplymouth: there has already been pledges of funds £20m to date but this cannot e accessed without the business plan being stress tested. We have done this already but has to be stress tested to Heathrow / Gatwick standards to access serious money (e.g Government etc)

19:42:37 mircea_popescu: jurov which one is that, 7.x ?

19:42:53 mircea_popescu: flyplymouth hoiw is a business planb stress testedf ?

19:42:54 flyplymouth: Ha ha. Social Enterprises take a lot of rap.

19:42:58 jurov: 10.6

19:43:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [BTR] 9900 @ 0.00111 = 10.989 BTC

19:43:36 jurov: 7.x is powerpc era :) that would be like another platform completely

19:43:42 flyplymouth: Stress test the business model to see if passenger numbers stack up and ticket prices.

19:43:45 mircea_popescu: jurov ok, so then osx 10.10, win 7 and win 8.1 to start ?

19:43:50 jurov: ok

19:44:02 mircea_popescu: addy ?

19:44:10 jurov: and 64bit linux, no?

19:44:24 williamdunne: flyplymouth: In comparison to Exeter how big was Plymouth? Exeter is kinda shit. I prefer just to go to London something

19:44:34 mircea_popescu: jurov these first.

19:44:45 jurov: ok

19:44:57 mircea_popescu: 64/32 bit linux later for the noobs, but give sane people a chance to make their stuff first.

19:45:14 jurov: 1AByKSJ5JUPDhq19xYehNixB1RoM75UX93

19:45:49 flyplymouth: The business model is completey different from Exeter. To be fair Exeter do quite a good job for its size. We'll be smaller planes as a 'connecting airport' so you won't initially get many holiday destinations but it would connect into key cities and hubs.

19:46:32 williamdunne: flyplymouth: Key cities in.... UK or abroad? Tourism isn't much of a concern

19:46:40 flyplymouth: Also we will have some Fixed Based Operators onsite which absorb alot of the running costs.

19:47:03 williamdunne: flyplymouth: And I know business model is different, I meant more along the lines of bandwidth, plane size etc

19:47:12 mircea_popescu: i still don't understand what stress testing a business plan involves.

19:47:22 williamdunne: Super complex simulations

19:47:27 williamdunne: You wouldn't understand MP

19:47:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 437 @ 0.00239989 = 1.0488 BTC [-]

19:47:36 mircea_popescu: apparently not.

19:47:40 mircea_popescu: !up ascii_has_newz

19:47:42 flyplymouth: Business Model so far works on Manchester, London, Glasgow, Dublin (connect to us), Amsterdam. We have submitted 10 destinations for passenger numbers which come back viable.

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19:48:50 mircea_popescu: flyplymouth isn't that primarily an airline concern ?

19:48:50 ascii_has_newz: http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1F31C79912C1899F639860FCC37F4789264841127A6F8AED81C73A222D9080A2 << google employee, magic-keyed

19:49:50 trinque: oh shit

19:49:50 mircea_popescu: o.O

19:49:50 flyplymouth: Where Plymouth got into trouble in the past was it was reliant on BA flights. We'll set up the flights directly

19:49:50 mircea_popescu: ...

19:49:50 ascii_has_newz: can't recall if he was one of the magic 98 or not

19:49:50 williamdunne: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CduA0TULnow

19:50:50 ascii_has_newz: possibly manually submitted iey

19:50:50 ascii_has_newz: key

19:50:50 williamdunne: flyplymouth: Not sure how that works, so I won't comment. Anyhow. How do you stress test a business plan?

19:50:50 mircea_popescu: ascii_has_newz yeah he was

19:50:50 mircea_popescu: #19-21

19:50:50 ascii_has_newz: aha ok

19:50:50 *: williamdunne thinks bringing a business plan here is the best stress test available

19:50:50 mircea_popescu: flyplymouth so wait you're going to be like, an airline with an airport ?

19:50:50 williamdunne: More like an airport with a pet airline I think

19:50:50 williamdunne: Or maybe flogs flight paths off to airlines?

19:51:00 flyplymouth: In aviation terms, they will review passenger journeys to see how many people travelled from Plymouth to the destinations, they will look at plane types and prices paid and give you a report back on whether your calculations make sense.

19:51:14 mircea_popescu: !up Landgull

19:51:22 mircea_popescu: !rate Landgull 1 new bloods

19:51:22 assbot: Landgull is not registered in WoT.

19:51:29 mircea_popescu: Landgull get in the wot already

19:51:34 Landgull: I'm registered with gribble.

19:51:42 Landgull: Do I need to re-register with assbot?

19:52:19 williamdunne: No, you need to register with ass also

19:52:24 *: mats fires up the gas grill

19:52:27 Landgull: Aha.

19:52:29 williamdunne: flyplymouth: So, why do you need funding to do this?

19:52:40 jurov: Landgull if you regged with btc addy, assbot did not pick you

19:52:48 Landgull: I registered with GPG key.

19:53:03 williamdunne: flyplymouth: (The stress testing)

19:53:05 mircea_popescu: Landgull when ?

19:53:11 flyplymouth: Before you can attract airlines you need to demonstrate passenger demand. There are models used around the UK which almost charter planes to use as an airline. If you have demand / good seat occupancy it works well. This happens in a lot of airports around the UK but planes are badged with other airlines.

19:53:23 Landgull: About two weeks ago.

19:53:38 mircea_popescu: !h

19:53:38 assbot: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot

19:53:42 mircea_popescu: Landgull ^ see there.

19:53:48 mircea_popescu: flyplymouth how much does one of these checks cost ?

19:54:24 williamdunne: flyplymouth: And do you not think you could attract some actual investment if this wasn't a social enterprise?

19:54:44 flyplymouth: If you are using your own money to reopen the airport, you can just go ahead and open it. But to access money which is not repayable, whether it from Government or otherwise, they have to see that it stacks up over the long term and importantly that it has a wider benefit to the local / regional economy

19:55:15 flyplymouth: The social enterprise model doesn't prohibit us from attracting private investment.

19:55:16 williamdunne: flyplymouth: You didn't answer the question at all

19:55:29 Landgull: So you're relying on government money?

19:55:31 williamdunne: flyplymouth: You said you don't want to make money for shareholders

19:55:37 williamdunne: flyplymouth: That prohibits you

19:55:40 williamdunne: Well..

19:56:06 trinque: he's talking about some govt funding program for public benefit

19:56:10 flyplymouth: not at all social enterprises can now attract investors

19:56:27 trinque: does "social enterprise" have a UK legal definition?

19:56:28 Landgull: Or rather, my question would be: How much of the actual investment/operating capital needs to come from private sources, after you've satisfied the nonsense of central planner stress testing.

19:56:53 mircea_popescu: flyplymouth so let me see if i understand. you're trying to get a small sum together to pay for various studies that then you can turn around and give the british government which will spend a lot of its own money to do the thing you came up with ?

19:56:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [BTR] 950 @ 0.00111 = 1.0545 BTC {2}

19:57:27 williamdunne: trinque: There are a couple of legal structures for it, like a community corporation or something of similar name

19:57:45 williamdunne: trinque: https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/office-of-the-regulator-of-community-interest-companies

19:58:45 williamdunne: Summin like that

19:58:45 trinque: ah

19:58:45 mircea_popescu: but these are basically charities.

19:58:45 mircea_popescu: only with more pompous verbiage.

19:58:45 flyplymouth: As you will have seen in news of late, Transport Secretary and others have said it can reopen, the question is who opens it. We want to safeguard the airport for the long term.

19:58:45 chetty: why would someone invest in something not intended to make money?

19:59:03 williamdunne: flyplymouth: Its not about if you're legally allowed to do it, its more I'm a billionaire, why the fuck do I give you money for a social program? While it can work with a small homeless shelter, you're talking about an airport. Not like there is one landlord who owns half of Plymouth and the surrounding area who wants to increase property values.

19:59:25 flyplymouth: It will make money, social enterprise and charity are compltely different. Social Enterpise makes profit for purpose, where as Charity is not for profit

19:59:50 chetty: oi

20:00:27 flyplymouth: In terms of social enterprise, most of our transport infrstructure is based on social enterprise model

20:00:54 williamdunne: flyplymouth: Most of our transport infrastructure is government owned

20:01:17 williamdunne: flyplymouth: Anyhow, Social Enterprise makes profit but pays no dividends

20:01:17 williamdunne: flyplymouth: Which is what investors want

20:01:17 flyplymouth: If you are a billionaire, then there are options for private investment.

20:01:49 williamdunne: Have you spoken to Plymouth's sole billionaire?

20:01:56 flyplymouth: it also depends on how they choose to invest equity/ fixed return etc.

20:02:23 Landgull: Plymouth, what people are asking you is why a billionare would rather put his money with you than either 1) putting it in some blue-chip stock, or 2) directly giving it to a charity that they care about.

20:03:18 williamdunne: flyplymouth: I doubt Chris Dawson is too bothered about having to go to London to catch a flight

20:03:33 Landgull: You need to have a better risk-adjusted return than 1, or a better cause than 2.

20:04:14 mircea_popescu: !rate Landgull 1 new bloods

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20:04:32 williamdunne: Chris Dawson is a man after my own heart..

20:04:33 williamdunne: v

20:04:35 williamdunne: http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/Plymouth-billionaire-Chris-Dawson-lambasted/story-26199605-detail/story.html

20:05:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72279 @ 0.00032459 = 23.461 BTC [+] {2}

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20:05:36 assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for Landgull with note: New blood

20:05:36 williamdunne: "Mr Dawson said it was a Budget for everyone, that the prices of food and fuel had come down, and that thanks to the Budget he yesterday signed off a deal with a European country to build factories.

20:05:36 williamdunne: But speaking about NHS staff unhappy at their low wages, Mr Dawson suggested they could retrain and work in another industry."

20:05:36 Landgull: Thanks!

20:05:36 mircea_popescu: williamdunne yeah, that's happening

20:05:36 flyplymouth: why would a billionaire invest in an airport? If they want to develop and grow Plymouth whilst also generating a good return. Recent studies from aviation industry have said that Plymouth Airport could add 240 jobs to local economy and £20m a year to wider economy. It also helps having one of the largest naval bases in Europe in Plymouth, which attracts manufacturers and business to visit the area

20:06:13 mircea_popescu: jurov sent.

20:06:24 williamdunne: flyplymouth: How would they generate returns? This is what we're asking. You can't pay dividends so..?

20:07:11 flyplymouth: divdends are not the only way to generate a return. Bonds / Investment Agreements.

20:07:24 williamdunne: flyplymouth: Okay, so loans

20:07:44 flyplymouth: Bonds and loans are not techically the same thing.

20:07:46 Landgull: Ok, what kind of rate could you sustain on your bond, and what exactly are your creditors entitled to seize?

20:08:14 williamdunne: flyplymouth: Promise of interest in return for money today, I'm not too bothered by technicalities

20:08:36 williamdunne: flyplymouth: Everyone on this channel understands what bonds are, dw about that

20:08:49 williamdunne: (hence the -assets)

20:09:46 williamdunne: !up flyplymouth

20:09:48 danielpbarron: in other news https://twitter.com/BitcoinBelle/status/605409957094268929

20:10:01 jurov: mircea_popescu: got it

20:10:14 williamdunne: flyplymouth: So once you've "stress tested" this business plan, rather than going for government money, why don't you become the first CIC to issue publicly traded bonds?

20:10:36 williamdunne: flyplymouth: Certainly talking about enough money to justify it..

20:11:07 flyplymouth: if you want to chat more about investment, you best contacting us direct

20:11:09 williamdunne: danielpbarron: Shhh, don't tell her we've seen it!

20:11:21 williamdunne: flyplymouth: Why? Anything I want to talk to you about I will talk to you about here

20:12:17 Landgull: Dude, if you don't have a good answer, you're a lot better off just admitting it and asking for advice. Not just with finance, but in life as a whole.

20:12:48 williamdunne: flyplymouth: A bond is something that people with actual money can get behind

20:15:08 williamdunne: flyplymouth: Here ya go, an ebook even comes with it! http://www.ca-cib.com/our-offers/global-debt-markets-and-debt-capital-markets.htm

20:16:08 williamdunne: Lol, their testimonial is one of their employees saying how he is properly worked

20:16:08 williamdunne: I like it

20:16:08 flyplymouth: If you want talk serious finance then you need to talk to FD.

20:16:23 williamdunne: flyplymouth: FD? FlyDover?

20:16:32 flyplymouth: ha ha

20:16:40 williamdunne: flyplymouth: Can you just get him on here?

20:16:52 *: trinque pats deedbot- on the hood

20:16:56 trinque: little guy seems to be doing alright

20:17:13 trinque: I haven't had to hit it with a wrench in a bit

20:17:16 flyplymouth: nope

20:17:34 williamdunne: flyplymouth: Whats his number, I'll try and get him on here.

20:17:56 flyplymouth: if you want to talk serious then I can set it up

20:18:08 williamdunne: flyplymouth: Of course I want to talk serious

20:18:23 williamdunne: Worth noting, I have no idea who any of you are. Missing from your website.

20:19:58 flyplymouth: media@flyplymouth.com drop me a line and I'll connect you.

20:20:28 williamdunne: Well that was sudden

20:20:45 Landgull: I don't think he liked the results of the stress test.

20:21:11 williamdunne: No, nor the advice "Social Enterprise is stupid" is the only thing I think he heard

20:21:48 williamdunne: The idea I think is actually ok, Plymouth does need to be better connected, but they're definitely derping around with it

20:22:01 williamdunne: And they don't have to rebuild everything..

20:22:07 Landgull: They need to stop talking about what they need and start talking about what they will do for their investors.

20:22:11 williamdunne: Aye

20:22:27 williamdunne: Landgull you can up yourself now

20:24:10 ben_vulpes: what they will do for their investors?

20:24:12 ben_vulpes: i know i know

20:24:15 ben_vulpes: buy some ad space

20:24:17 ben_vulpes: rent an office

20:24:23 ben_vulpes: make everyone feel really cool for investing

20:24:25 ben_vulpes: and then disappear

20:24:31 ben_vulpes: DAFUQ AIRPLAINES?

20:24:32 Landgull: Oooh, fancy. Thanks guys.

20:24:35 trinque: ....aaand it's gone!

20:24:45 williamdunne: ben_vulpes: Not just airplanes, a whole airport

20:24:51 ben_vulpes: i read the thread.

20:25:06 Landgull: I think they should take the 150k, buy a cessna, and ferry people around as a social enterprise.

20:25:13 ben_vulpes: but let's start with the "how is anyone involved qualified to derp near expensive-ass capital equipment"

20:25:17 ben_vulpes: > 150k

20:25:21 ben_vulpes: > airport

20:25:23 ben_vulpes: > 150k

20:25:25 ben_vulpes: > airplane

20:25:28 ben_vulpes: what am i missing here

20:25:33 Landgull: Well, they wanted 150k for a stress test.

20:25:38 Landgull: A "stress test".

20:25:44 ben_vulpes: what the fuck is a stress test

20:25:59 ben_vulpes: novel scamhold is what i hear.

20:26:07 williamdunne: Something something statistics something something customers something something viability

20:26:10 williamdunne: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Plymouth+City+Airport/@50.4211911,-4.1094124,1077m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x486ced727fc3be65:0xdbc605f04af77367!6m1!1e1

20:27:10 Landgull: My guess is, you pay a bureaucrat to tell you that your made up numbers look like his made up numbers.

20:27:10 williamdunne: For reference, this is what they're talking about

20:27:10 ben_vulpes: that's what it meant in the context of the us banking retardation

20:27:14 ben_vulpes: and what world is this where scammers take cash to build out a model and then verify it with bureaucrats?

20:27:17 ben_vulpes: this is bitcoin

20:27:29 ben_vulpes: we lower bureaucrats into pederasty.

20:27:31 williamdunne: They're not raising bitcoin

20:27:35 williamdunne: They're raising fiat

20:27:38 williamdunne: I invited them here

20:28:02 williamdunne: Thought they were derpy so wanted to discuss it on a public forum

20:28:07 ben_vulpes: !up pete_dushenski

20:28:15 pete_dushenski: thx ben_vulpes :)

20:28:19 ben_vulpes: mhhhhm

20:28:37 williamdunne: http://www.flyplymouth.com/

20:29:38 williamdunne: http://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/flyplymouthairport-reopening-project

20:30:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78609 @ 0.00031319 = 24.6196 BTC [-]

20:30:38 williamdunne: Maybe they can do more crowdfunding with the latest Havelock IPO?

20:30:38 ben_vulpes: FLYPLYMOUTH has developed a plan to reopen Plymouth airport, reintroducing aviation services and air passenger services that is stepped and incrementally profitable at each stage. We believe that this objective is deliverable in two to three years and that by working together with the City around a demonstrably credible plan supported by independent feasibility analysis Plymouth will be able to benefit from new job creation and better

20:30:38 ben_vulpes: connectivity.

20:30:38 ben_vulpes: mk well they're even tapping into the local welfare spigot

20:30:38 ben_vulpes: i am exhausted of fucks

20:30:56 pete_dushenski: looks like nonsense on a stick

20:30:56 williamdunne: If it was 5 miles to the left of its current position they could massively tap into European welfare spigots, which is even more hilarious

20:31:15 mircea_popescu: fuckshausted ?

20:32:34 williamdunne: Take it back, about 7 miles to the West for Euro welfare

20:34:28 thestringpuller: i really wish it was practical to just kill the redditards

20:36:39 diana_coman: hello, could I please have an eulora account?

20:37:53 mats: http://www.military.com/daily-news/2015/05/30/no-women-pass-army-ranger-school-three-invited-to-start-over.html

20:39:02 jurov: diana_coman: you managed to compile the new ver already?

20:39:48 diana_coman: jurov not yet, as I just saw the post on fraudsters, but I will get onto it as soon as possible and I have some experience...

20:39:59 mats: ranger school: churning out a cripple for every leader

20:40:28 pete_dushenski: mats it's a balance.

20:44:38 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149704 << this place has it's fair share of consensus too. just imagine the insane levels of groupthink on teh outside !

20:44:38 assbot: Logged on 01-06-2015 15:08:46; Landgull: Mmm, echo chambers only matter to politicians pandering to votes, though. Or 50%+1 attacks via democracy, I suppose.

20:44:42 mats: i've observed folks in various, interesting pipelines -- BUD/S, JTAC, SFAS, ...

20:44:58 mats: the number of broke dicks getting churned out of ranger school is a leadership failure not a fact of life

20:45:12 ben_vulpes: > broke dicks

20:46:23 mats: the navy doesn't see nearly the same level of folks going to medical discharge boards

20:46:56 pete_dushenski: mats same goes for us universities.

20:47:24 pete_dushenski: in the leadership failure aspect, not the medical aspect.

20:47:30 mircea_popescu: jurov if you have one precompiuled it takes all of 10 minutes

20:47:35 mircea_popescu: didnb't take me much longer anyway

20:47:53 mircea_popescu: btw in case anyone's missed it - eulora! ask for accts.

20:48:08 jurov: yes but it picked up misc system crud

20:48:18 davout: mircea_popescu: acct pl0x

20:48:25 mircea_popescu: whadda ya wanna be called ?

20:48:30 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

20:48:49 davout: Godefroy de Montmirail

20:48:50 mircea_popescu: screww that im not gonna keep asking. calling everyone their nick.

20:48:56 mircea_popescu: nah this is the acct name.

20:48:58 mircea_popescu: onesec

20:49:01 jurov: i had to: ./configure --with-cs-prefix=/path/to/cs --without-mysqlclient --without-sqlite3 --without-postgresql --without-hunspell

20:49:04 mircea_popescu: bwahahahagodefroooooy

20:49:13 mircea_popescu: hunspell ?!

20:49:15 pete_dushenski: mats universities as businesses, which is what they've certainly become with their 20th century 'mass adoption' approach to education, couldn't possibly lead their students to be anything other than broke dicks anymore than apple can with the kids who buy their iphonez

20:49:39 jurov: nemtudom, as i said.

20:49:56 pete_dushenski: universities as places of higher learning for the already learned, different story.

20:50:10 chetty: love the char name davout

20:50:12 pete_dushenski: but that's exclusive and not 'fair'

20:50:23 davout: mircea_popescu: just call me ";drop database `eulora`"

20:50:34 mircea_popescu: lol

20:50:35 pete_dushenski: the same approach to flatness leads to failure in the military.

20:50:39 chetty: lmao

20:51:27 mircea_popescu: davout http://dpaste.com/2TCF1Z9

20:52:27 davout: merci

20:52:36 ascii_field: mats: http://www.military.com/daily-news/2015/05/25/us-military-and-civilians-are-increasingly-divided.html << another l0l from same www

20:53:36 ascii_field: 'Senior officers live in large houses, travel on their own planes and oversee whole continents with little direction from Washington.'

20:53:44 pete_dushenski: "One reason to support increasing the block size: Luke-Jr is against it." << lulz via redditards.

20:54:01 pete_dushenski: endless milking, these mooz

20:55:34 mircea_popescu: http://adios-hola.org/advisory.txt moar lulz

20:56:34 davout: this blocksize drama will end up spontaneously reinventing dogecoin

20:56:40 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: aha, run moar winblows (TM)

20:56:49 mircea_popescu: mhm

20:56:57 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149809 << i'm glad to hear someone actually tried. though if mp can't get his hands on them...

20:56:57 assbot: Logged on 01-06-2015 18:04:15; mircea_popescu: i didn't find a supplier.

20:57:52 mircea_popescu: davout it's kinda amusing to see just how butthurt "social media" gets when it turns out nobody cares what they think / nothing they could do makes any difference.

20:58:20 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski cursory examination.

20:58:34 ascii_field: are we even seeing actual butts or astroturf

20:58:49 mircea_popescu: astrobutts

21:00:28 mircea_popescu: !up pete_dushenski

21:00:31 mircea_popescu: what happened ot you.

21:00:37 pete_dushenski: cheers !

21:00:42 pete_dushenski: i'm in an airport.

21:00:57 mircea_popescu: a a

21:00:58 pete_dushenski: 3/4 of the way home from la suisse

21:01:13 davout: lol, /r/buttcoin has it http://thecoinfront.com/andreas-antonopolous-threatened-with-murder-over-twitter/

21:02:22 ascii_field: 'The exorbitant membership fee, 30 BTC, coupled with the fact that their twitter account hasn’t been touched since last June, suggests that the exchange is defunct, or at least no longer being actively promoted.' << tungsten, it melts in your mouth!

21:02:43 mircea_popescu: lol wut ?

21:02:44 pete_dushenski: heh, it's the one year anniversary of aantop's murder !

21:02:49 mircea_popescu: happy rip.

21:05:33 mike_c: jurov: not to be an ass since you just took the job, but do you have an idea for ballpark on binaries? my ubuntu box has trouble running eulora due to gfx card issues.. just wondering if it's days, weeks, or months.

21:06:09 pete_dushenski: doubt anyone will bother to show up at aantop's gravestone with oranges and braided bread for provda

21:06:31 mircea_popescu: mike_c i put nvidia drivers in the binary bundle just in case.

21:06:32 jurov: mike_c: best if you compile yourself then

21:06:45 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149828 << french part of la suisse definitely had more garbage strewn about than german part der schwiez

21:06:45 assbot: Logged on 01-06-2015 18:37:26; williamdunne: A new study has officially proved that French are smelly and Dutch, Germans and Scandinavians are the cleanest ones."

21:06:51 mircea_popescu: at any rate it'd better not be months, o.O

21:06:57 mike_c: i tried to compile windoze version, didn't go so well

21:07:01 jurov: mircea_popescu: that's not nvidia drivers, but some library crystalspace depends upon

21:07:05 mike_c: mircea_popescu: didn't know that, i could try that

21:07:18 pete_dushenski: the frenchies (lausanne in particular) were coming up with all sorts of creative ad campaigns to encourage people to pick up their fucking trash

21:07:25 pete_dushenski: lemme dig up a pic.

21:07:31 williamdunne: Sandhill Exchange fined by the SEC, lol

21:07:32 mircea_popescu: mike_c you seen http://www.eulorum.org/Installing_Eulora yeah ?

21:08:32 jurov: also, my windows/osx dude said he's away till 12th. so the position is in fact open

21:08:32 williamdunne: (The company offering Derps, MPEX style)

21:08:32 jurov: diana_coman will try on windows, too

21:08:32 jurov: i'll forward or return the funds when someone picks up

21:08:41 mike_c: mircea_popescu: yeah, i saw that. still not so easy without a clean box to get all those specific versions on

21:09:35 mircea_popescu: williamdunne check it out, no credit no nothing.

21:09:43 chetty: for the record I have gotten it to run on a laptop, but its very slow

21:09:58 mircea_popescu: i actually got it to run on an old laptop too, but it was like 2 fps

21:10:03 pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Lausanne-hungry-garbage-can.jpg << this.

21:11:03 williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Lol, yeah. Apparently they hedge theirs though rather than bear the risk

21:11:03 williamdunne: William,

21:11:03 williamdunne: You may be wondering why we’ve been so quiet lately.

21:11:03 williamdunne: We started Sand Hill Exchange as a fun game to let people bet on startup valuations. It is an enjoyable experience, but when we pushed aggressively to monetize we received a cease and desist from the SEC.

21:11:03 williamdunne: We never had any intention of operating in a regulated industry, nor do we have the resources required to do so. We reached a settlement agreement with the SEC and are reverting to the uncontroversial free version of Sand Hill Exchange.

21:11:03 williamdunne: Sand Hill Exchange has always been strongest as a site focused on education and community. The paper trading version of our site preserves these values while providing a safe, fun experience.

21:11:03 williamdunne: For full details on everything that transpired please check our blog.

21:11:03 williamdunne: --

21:11:03 williamdunne: The Sand Hill Exchange Team

21:11:03 mircea_popescu: aha.

21:11:03 williamdunne: Press release says they were fined $200k, email subject says $20k

21:11:20 *: mircea_popescu will bbl, going to enterrtain teh eulorians

21:11:25 danielpbarron: i also have run eulora on an old laptop

21:11:25 pete_dushenski: what's a zero in fiat anyways ?

21:11:29 williamdunne: They're doing it by issuing smart contracts so they're not the issuers technically, supposedly

21:11:43 williamdunne: Any build available for buntu

21:12:17 williamdunne: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/383sl3/one_reason_to_support_increasing_the_block_size/

21:13:17 williamdunne: derp

21:13:34 chetty: williamdunne, it best if you compile yourself from the source, but its a breeze on ubuntu

21:14:37 pete_dushenski: time to make my way to the gate. good evening y'all !

21:15:13 williamdunne: chetty: Coolio, I'll look it up on the guide

21:15:21 williamdunne: "25 days into our experiment, activity on the site was parabolic. Users were writing their own algorithmic traders. On most days, Sand Hill Exchange saw more trading volume than the New York Stock Exchange (circa 1840). Behind the scenes, we mapped out technology infrastructure to decentralize the exchange."

21:15:35 williamdunne: "That’s when we received an inquiry from the SEC. And then a subpoena demanding a court appearance and all our documents and communications since the beginning of last year.

21:15:35 williamdunne: We had less than $10,000 in the bank. We had no legal counsel to speak of."

21:19:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28400 @ 0.00031312 = 8.8926 BTC [-] {2}

21:22:11 *: williamdunne remembers why he only uses languages with package management systems

21:24:22 thestringpuller: ^lol like ruby?

21:24:46 williamdunne: Never used Ruby personally

21:24:56 williamdunne: C#, Elixir, D, and Java

21:25:31 williamdunne: And more recently Meteor, although thats not a personal choice (but does have a great package manager)

21:26:05 williamdunne: Oh god

21:26:06 williamdunne: http://www.simondixon.org/iceland-is-the-most-important-country-in-the-world-right-now/2015/05/30/

21:27:06 thestringpuller: i'm quitting the code life soon to pursue my dream of being a rapper

21:27:12 williamdunne: M.C Goldburg

21:57:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34414 @ 0.00031698 = 10.9085 BTC [+]

22:03:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [BTR] 1905 @ 0.00111 = 2.1146 BTC

22:19:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00031698 = 4.0573 BTC [+]

22:22:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25500 @ 0.0003233 = 8.2442 BTC [+] {2}

22:26:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58800 @ 0.00032492 = 19.1053 BTC [+] {2}

22:34:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27494 @ 0.00031501 = 8.6609 BTC [-] {2}

22:35:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4556 @ 0.00031292 = 1.4257 BTC [-]

22:43:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25550 @ 0.00032542 = 8.3145 BTC [+]

22:48:16 menahem: what do you guys think of this tee ?

22:48:18 menahem: http://screencast.com/t/LxNozQwn7t3

22:49:18 williamdunne: Well, its official, we're a cult.

22:49:19 menahem: hahaha

22:51:04 menahem: debating if i should add a quote to it

22:51:44 williamdunne: "I'm better than you" should suffice

22:52:52 menahem: "this Bitcock ain't gonna suck itself."

22:53:46 williamdunne: +1

22:53:50 williamdunne: Fuck it, I'd buy it

22:54:15 *: danielpbarron already has the b-a official t-shirt thanks to nubbins`

22:57:11 danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2014#698785

22:57:11 assbot: Logged on 02-06-2014 15:57:38; nubbins`: ;;sell 1.0 "OFFICIAL #bitcoin-assets t-shirt" @ 25/{bitstampask} BTC "Worldwide shipping included. Optional '#bitcoin-assets / freenode' text on back. http://imgur.com/jmcSFTx"

22:57:55 BingoBoingo: williamdunne: http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/Plymouth-billionaire-Chris-Dawson-lambasted/story-26199605-detail/story.html << What about NHS workers moving from "Airstrip One" to somewhere which would pay them better... Like Ferguson.

22:59:01 williamdunne: Well I think the essence, is if what you're currently doing isn't working, fucking change it

22:59:04 williamdunne: But yeah

22:59:12 williamdunne: Lots of options how to go about it

23:00:15 danielpbarron: ;;later tell nubbins` could you make a few dozen business cards for me and have them arrive at my house by the 20th of this month? and what would that cost?

23:00:15 gribble: The operation succeeded.

23:00:45 BingoBoingo: Landgull: Dude, if you don't have a good answer, you're a lot better off just admitting it and asking for advice. Not just with finance, but in life as a whole. << Wait, there is now an aeronaut ninjaspamzor???

23:00:58 danielpbarron: !up indiancandy1

23:01:06 indiancandy1: thanks dan

23:01:50 indiancandy1: whats up

23:02:14 danielpbarron: eulora is up!

23:02:22 danielpbarron: you into video games?

23:02:30 mats: https://soundcloud.com/frances_music/grow-1

23:05:02 indiancandy1: erm

23:05:08 indiancandy1: depends really

23:05:16 trinque: !up diana_coman

23:05:20 chetty: yup eulora is live ;)

23:05:32 indiancandy1: lol

23:05:52 indiancandy1: nice mix mats

23:05:55 indiancandy1: i like it

23:12:56 indiancandy1: any one 24 here

23:14:12 williamdunne: 24?

23:14:16 williamdunne: The age?

23:21:25 decimation: mats: the us military likes to keep its elborate hazing rituals

23:28:04 decimation: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/05/cybersecurity-and-tylenol-murders < "Yet none of the proposals now in Congress are aimed at actually increasing the safety of our data. Instead, the focus is on ?information sharing,? a euphemism for more surveillance of users and networks. These bills are not only wrongheaded, they seem to be a cynical ploy to use the very real problems of cybersecurity to advance a surveillance agenda, rather th

23:31:20 BingoBoingo: !up indiancandy1

23:31:20 mats: gas grills are an amazing invention

23:31:20 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

23:31:23 decimation: usg actually should subsidize rather than punish hackers. Like terrorists, they provide the perfect excuse to expand state power with little opposition

23:32:03 BingoBoingo: So, new low in wikipedia "art" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Antarctopelta.jpg Seriously dinosaurs and ducks never co-existed

23:33:03 indiancandy1: yh

23:33:03 indiancandy1: age

23:33:03 mats: nommin on ma homemade white wine and shallot pork sausages

23:33:03 decimation: BingoBoingo: one wonders how much 'high brow' trolling/bullshit has been incorporated into wikipedia

23:33:10 BingoBoingo: decimation: I imagine that's what most of it is

23:33:16 mats: decimation: were that only the case... imo its a holdover from a different, 'harder', era

23:34:13 decimation: mats: note that militaries have had hazing rituals since time immemorial

23:34:32 indiancandy1: how do u make white wine

23:34:51 decimation: u ferment white grapes

23:34:58 mats: loled

23:35:18 indiancandy1: then

23:35:22 indiancandy1: it turns into liquid

23:35:25 indiancandy1: did u make it urself

23:35:26 indiancandy1: thats dope

23:35:54 mats: my syntax is terrible

23:36:14 mats: "white wine, shallot, and pork [sausage]"

23:36:24 indiancandy1: whats shallot

23:36:25 mats: it all goes into one casing, the pork is braised in the wine

23:36:31 indiancandy1: ohhh ahahah

23:36:35 indiancandy1: damn

23:36:42 decimation: the 'liquid' is a combination of sugar water and yeast shit

23:36:55 mats: shallots are in the onion family

23:37:03 decimation: although in most european style wines the sugar is mostly gone

23:37:57 decimation: http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermentation

23:38:59 indiancandy1: are you in the eur

23:39:02 indiancandy1: oops eu

23:40:17 decimation: I am not

23:40:58 indiancandy1: usa

23:41:07 indiancandy1: i ddint know u could cook sausage with wine

23:41:08 decimation: yes

23:41:11 indiancandy1: i will try it

23:46:20 williamdunne: Where are you based?