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00:15:03 asciilifeform: so it turns out that i spoke too soon:

00:15:26 asciilifeform: some time near after 208000, a block is rejected!

00:16:10 asciilifeform: re: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1182007

00:16:10 assbot: Logged on 30-06-2015 20:01:39; ascii_field: for what it's worth, all the blocks i got from mircea_popescu are successfully eaten by my 0.5.4

00:16:21 asciilifeform: presently running the entire experiment again, to verify

00:16:46 asciilifeform: the best-case scenario is that this is a 'cosmic ray'

00:16:55 asciilifeform: thing was running on a portable, in a knapsack, in a car...

00:17:12 mod6: will this have any impact on the hashes that are posted here? http://www.loper-os.org/pub/turdsums/sums.txt.gz

00:17:54 asciilifeform: will run those again also

00:18:04 asciilifeform: on the output of the present 'eat'

00:18:18 mod6: ok cool

00:18:32 asciilifeform: it'll be hilarious if we're hitting the limits of non-ecc ram or the like

00:19:42 asciilifeform: sha256(blk0001.dat) for this run: 7aac5826b91b4f87a2e9534e0e38e8d64ed21aff8a4eb8ff8dde4e726e67fe1a

00:19:49 asciilifeform: (same as for all my synced 0.5.3's)

00:19:57 BingoBoingo: http://www.bitpixr.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/image27.jpg << "Fart Rape"

00:19:59 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1CHN570 )

00:20:07 asciilifeform: if anyone can remember what blocks fit in there, please post

00:21:02 mats: http://nytimes.com/2015/06/30/opinion/the-supreme-courts-lonely-hearts-club.html

00:21:05 assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1CHNaHN )

00:22:42 trinque: BingoBoingo: bahaha fart rape

00:22:46 mats: http://www.indieshuffle.com/lewis-del-mar-loud-y

00:22:48 assbot: [LISTEN] Lewis Del Mar - Loud(y) :: Indie Shuffle ... ( http://bit.ly/1CHNiqG )

00:25:18 mod6: i have 3 full-sync'd chains from between January and March, all have the same blk0001.dat hash: sha256sum blk0001.dat \ 7aac5826b91b4f87a2e9534e0e38e8d64ed21aff8a4eb8ff8dde4e726e67fe1a blk0001.dat

00:25:43 trinque: BingoBoingo: I thought it was gonna be somebody being face-sat

00:28:24 asciilifeform: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/reduced-final-state-blk0001-dat-with-pruned-index.59545

00:28:35 asciilifeform: ^ he got 7aac5826b91b4f87a2e9534e0e38e8d64ed21aff8a4eb8ff8dde4e726e67fe1a as well

00:28:50 asciilifeform: claims 188529 blocks

00:28:54 *: asciilifeform has not verified the latter

00:30:38 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu ^^^^

00:39:02 *: asciilifeform has the same ill feeling an astronomer might have were 'seti' signal to appear

00:39:20 asciilifeform: 'is it my instruments? lsd in the water?'

00:40:23 asciilifeform: ~3 hours from now, will know...

00:40:50 asciilifeform: and this is just about my copy, not even starting with mircea_popescu's

00:43:36 BingoBoingo: * asciilifeform has the same ill feeling an astronomer might have were 'seti' signal to appear << We've outgrown everything but Z80+ECC and somehow that is too slow

00:43:49 asciilifeform: z80 never supported ecc

00:44:14 asciilifeform: (technically, one ~could~ retrofit it, with some glue logic)

00:46:46 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181921 << the experiment in question, for anyone who missed

00:46:46 assbot: Logged on 30-06-2015 19:12:49; ascii_field: in other nyooz, 'dumpblock' for the sums.txt.gz mircea_popescu set 0..n and subsequent 'eatblock' in brand-new stator - works

00:48:15 asciilifeform: the only thing i'm pretty sure of at this point is that nothing peculiar happened - at least on this machine - through block 188529.

00:48:50 asciilifeform: (checksum spoken of earlier agrees with every copy of blk0001 i've been able to locate, other than the one cited by mircea_popescu)

00:51:16 phf: is it possibly non-determenism from a dozen or so places where size_t is read into int?

00:51:48 asciilifeform: phf: it is difficult to rule anything out at this point

00:52:14 asciilifeform: one might naively imagine that obvious bugs cirta '12 will not turn up today

00:52:19 asciilifeform: but devil only knows

00:52:31 asciilifeform: *circa

00:54:45 asciilifeform: original purpose of this experiment was to gather 'pmap -XX <pid>' stats for plotting

00:55:05 asciilifeform: it did not even occur to me that the 'eater' might barf

00:56:01 asciilifeform: i set it up earlier today and mostly forgot about it

00:56:53 asciilifeform: (recall, in a 'bastard-free' bitcoind - which is what i have - no block can be 'eaten' unless it squarely agrees with its immediate antecedent block)

00:57:51 asciilifeform: in the 'longest chain' sense

00:59:39 *: asciilifeform is trying and failing to think of a benign explanation for the anomaly

01:00:42 phf: right, eatblock/dumpblock lets you construct any arbitrary correct chain, block by block, including the known blockchain, in a fully deterministic way. seem like important building blocks of proper engineering.

01:01:24 asciilifeform: phf: why these were absent from the original bitcoin is still an enigma to me

01:01:28 *: shinohai applauds

01:14:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29050 @ 0.00046004 = 13.3642 BTC [-]

01:17:44 *: BingoBoingo would really like box powered by 3GHz Z80 with ecc and 64 bit address space bolted on

01:23:36 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1307/4681642407_3537daf466_b.jpg

01:23:37 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1R35pDn )

01:24:27 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Exactly. That is one beautiful machine fulfilling its destiny to do REAL work. Not this pansy shit 'Murican pickup trucks do.

01:49:20 decimation: asciilifeform: do you have the complete blockdump file?

02:00:27 asciilifeform: of course

02:01:24 decimation: can share?

02:01:45 asciilifeform: will, once i find a place to drop these where i'm not paying per byte

02:01:49 decimation: hehe

02:01:53 decimation: how big is it?

02:02:24 asciilifeform: the dataset in question - blocks pulled from mircea_popescu's node on the night of june 28-29 - is ~5.5GB

02:02:58 asciilifeform: the sha512 checksums were posted earlier

02:03:17 decimation: pity, that's a big too large for a cutout dropbox account

02:03:19 asciilifeform: it should not be difficult to find out, right now, if you have the same blockchain

02:03:28 decimation: good point.

02:04:03 asciilifeform: if i replicate the anomaly, i will post the 'interesting' region

02:04:48 asciilifeform: thing is just about past 177000 now

02:04:58 asciilifeform: but the blocks are starting to get fatter there

02:05:50 asciilifeform: the 'magic moment,' whatever its nature, happened well into blk0002

02:08:19 decimation: ?? block 2 is bad?

02:08:43 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1182166

02:08:43 assbot: Logged on 01-07-2015 00:28:50; asciilifeform: claims 188529 blocks

02:08:47 asciilifeform: ^ in blk0001

02:09:01 asciilifeform: blk0002 - a certain number, certainly smaller, after that

02:09:11 decimation: oh you mean the bdb files?

02:09:13 asciilifeform: aha

02:09:19 decimation: interesting.

02:09:20 asciilifeform: these aren't bdb though!

02:09:23 asciilifeform: they're raw blocks

02:09:29 asciilifeform: bdb only stores indices

02:09:37 asciilifeform: which are derived from blocks

02:09:45 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu made same mistake earlier

02:10:12 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1182036 << see thread

02:10:12 assbot: Logged on 30-06-2015 20:26:24; ascii_field: these aren't bdb files!

02:10:30 asciilifeform: this is an important point

02:10:49 asciilifeform: they have nothing to do with bdb and should not vary at all (once they reach full size, ~2GB) between nodes

02:11:44 asciilifeform: (well, certainly not after longest-chain is established)

02:14:42 decimation: lol he dumps to disk directly

02:14:52 asciilifeform: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.h#0932 << required reading

02:14:53 assbot: Satoshi ... ( http://bit.ly/1JrxIEC )

02:15:13 decimation: yeah I was looking at that

02:15:55 asciilifeform: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp#0643 << and.

02:15:56 assbot: Satoshi ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jry6TC )

02:18:25 decimation: what does he use the database for then? faster lookup?

02:18:39 asciilifeform: aha

02:18:46 asciilifeform: otherwise you'd have O(N)

02:19:05 asciilifeform: same reason anybody uses a db for anything..

02:19:38 decimation: yeah, but why also save flat file

02:20:31 asciilifeform: because ultimately it is the canonical blockchain.

02:20:47 decimation: 7aac5826b91b4f87a2e9534e0e38e8d64ed21aff8a4eb8ff8dde4e726e67fe1a blk0001.dat

02:20:51 decimation: same as yours

02:21:36 asciilifeform: well, anomaly didn't happen in that one

02:21:41 asciilifeform: (except possibly on mircea_popescu's box...)

02:21:46 decimation: 796f65be10ef2e5fc27b97b09f312c9f8ddd7d1c3ab0f27f356a5b1dbf5a8963 blk0002.dat

02:22:06 decimation: these were made with your thermonuke patch

02:23:07 asciilifeform: ^ is the same on the ~original~ (that is, received on that night from mircea_popescu) copy

02:23:48 decimation: okay, that's good I guess

02:24:03 decimation: what happens at block 188529

02:25:05 mod6: all three of my chains from Jan-Mar 2015 have: 796f65be10ef2e5fc27b97b09f312c9f8ddd7d1c3ab0f27f356a5b1dbf5a8963 blk0002.dat

02:28:41 decimation: blk0001.dat and blk0002.dat have the same size as this thread (at the bottom) https://bitcointa.lk/threads/reduced-final-state-blk0001-dat-with-pruned-index.59545/

02:28:45 lobbesbot: New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=5 (ptpt52; Chen Minqiang's Personal Signing Key; Chen Minqiang (The only way out is through) ; Chen Minqiang (The only way out is through) ; ) http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/238717B355D356430E5CDD3730EF66DCD17DDFC96EE34C38AE150007E7BE3786#6DEA41C50052C0B4B3D1F8AE399743EB610DEC07DCA478A6AA4C935AA2AC0286

02:28:47 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JrCWjS )

02:29:18 decimation: 2097361271 blk0001.dat 2097295438 blk0002.dat

02:29:36 decimation: heh

02:30:27 mod6: 104fca0e11fa866172414852b6e6ead095926eb7a283dc3169420a17e6b87cfb blk0003.dat

02:31:06 decimation: my blk3 differs

02:31:14 decimation: from that thread I mean

02:31:55 decimation: ^my blk3 matches mod6's

02:33:00 BingoBoingo: lobbes: I'm liking you bot

02:37:43 mod6: 0856eedd40c7f5a1d78aec7480dc9861c2e0354aae75b72613aaffcf606a99ef blk0004.dat

02:43:18 mod6: lol, im now doing 5-16 on all three chains at the same time: 02:42:27 up 2 days, 3:32, 5 users, load average: 2.88, 1.48, 0.71

02:44:19 mod6: 93e2d9ee02bf3fdd68d7809e353cec3bca93e54d3c382a286093ac6666c21ce3 blk0005.dat

02:47:34 mod6: 853a817eb6b644d3a75d0954c723f23e0d23fa6ec143e3cdc23a774c59c710ad blk0006.dat

02:48:21 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1182019 << uhoh

02:48:21 assbot: Logged on 30-06-2015 20:10:22; mircea_popescu: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/3RDD2F9.txt

02:48:56 mod6: e287f88803660c5f9fd99e9cdfcc5d7e4c38da953652efbbd2382f64441dba7c blk0007.dat

02:49:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36900 @ 0.00045477 = 16.781 BTC [-] {2}

02:50:14 asciilifeform: ^ not a single one of these lines up with mircea_popescu's

02:50:14 mod6: yeah, i don't have any of those.

02:50:45 decimation: ^ mine match them all

02:50:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7200 @ 0.00045013 = 3.2409 BTC [-]

02:50:54 mod6: mine were sync'd with some pre-v0.5.3.1-RELEASE [ v0.5.3 + some patches ], sync'd the old way from irc.

02:51:14 mod6: *seeded via irc

02:51:17 decimation: I'm afraid it's gonna take going over with a fine-tooth comb

02:51:24 asciilifeform: now my current understanding is that mircea_popescu has an excuse:

02:51:32 mod6: decimation: yours match mine, or mp's lis?

02:51:33 mod6: *list

02:51:52 decimation: matches yours

02:51:53 asciilifeform: if his blk** are ~original~ - as in, they were formed ~as the blocks happened~ - they can contain orphaned (in the traditional sense) blocks

02:52:01 decimation: yeah that's true

02:52:10 asciilifeform: but any subsequent sync against his node is expected to match the canonicals.

02:52:14 decimation: gonna have to 'reingest' them to sort them out

02:53:02 asciilifeform: notice that there is no mechanism in bitcoind for ~erasing~ anything from the raw block files.

02:54:25 mod6: huh, now i have one chain that has 2 that match and one that differs: f7ab989febce649e49f8373f1c5a5fbd44008dd21eaf16ce0d1b73e1070421f0 blk0008.dat && b1d0da3ff6b2b2d6da096f06cf7359ca98e08490ab61202f94468587f51aaee5 blk0008.dat

02:54:30 decimation: no, but you could antimate a node, peer with it, force it to shit out

02:55:06 asciilifeform: mod6: differs ~while being complete~ ?

02:55:09 mod6: and all 3 of my blk0009.dat's do not match

02:55:19 asciilifeform: that is, the differing files are followed by another ?

02:55:35 asciilifeform: (because if sync is not complete, then naturally last blk**** will differ)

02:56:09 decimation: yeah if it's the last file, it's incomplete

02:56:13 asciilifeform: aha

02:56:19 mod6: these were fully sync'd up to ~320`000 blocks or so. they were shutdown after full sync was achieved. each goes upto like blk0017.dat

02:57:01 mod6: fa97f9f51bd130758910563ad7976014736b8b8ec021ed9f5dbc3c4b87d3703a blk0009.dat | 2f7acbd7b5603a845a5d380ffb6ff3be051ab8b192ae143b0916a07564d5cbc5 blk0009.dat | 1631edac873633135b9eb9b8214d6d2b30d708d00ec4dd1db6a9bf09f384551b blk0009.dat

02:57:18 decimation: mine stops at blk0008.dat

02:57:40 mod6: on a fully sync'd node?

02:58:26 mod6: whats the full size of your blockchain? mine's like ... ~38Gb

02:59:29 mod6: 82397e804874de4709faa07515f6bedbeaa4b1cdc49846b96742bba925bad1cb blk0010.dat | d2bf09e41b6177d6f44a5b7983954c647ac2c983ac39af2e159261e8737f4662 blk0010.dat | baa5bbcdb388d707398d00de95df8d3c5d98d716842d1eea7ea51f3d4ed40695 blk0010.dat

02:59:55 mod6: seems to diverge for me starting with blk0008.dat

03:02:39 asciilifeform: 8d8c80c9677d59856eb3ebb2e9d87ff2bc4cd416f02ae6d4d925e031fffb82e1 blk0001.dat

03:02:39 asciilifeform: ebbeef1641ca8b921652577f4917ad2f7391cb5067b7857819ed4a5fb4a35091 blk0002.dat

03:02:39 asciilifeform: c125ab7cbdf64b9d14c26adcc7638b2e7a62879cdd64a8897bbdb494360162569 blk0003.dat

03:02:48 asciilifeform: ^^^ from my box circa 2013 !

03:03:15 mod6: huh. yours dont match ours or mps

03:03:19 asciilifeform: with ecc ram, no less

03:03:23 asciilifeform: and raid5

03:03:48 asciilifeform: (the latter with nightly parity checks!)

03:05:13 decimation: with orphans?

03:05:21 asciilifeform: almost certainly

03:05:33 asciilifeform: (for the same reason as mircea_popescu's)

03:05:56 asciilifeform: they were moved from an earlier disk, where the thing was going from late 2010

03:05:58 asciilifeform: iirc

03:10:49 *: asciilifeform observes that the 'eater' has completed blk0001

03:10:59 asciilifeform: is presently past 189070

03:11:06 asciilifeform: anomaly has not recurred yet

03:11:12 asciilifeform: (but is not expected for a while)

03:12:01 asciilifeform: sha256(blk0001.dat) is equal to the expected value.

03:12:08 asciilifeform: (on the 'eater' node)

03:12:31 mod6: 18704088cd8518a05e173648622bdc86e695e6e551a9e669179dd26b4e40aab5 blk0011.dat | 18704088cd8518a05e173648622bdc86e695e6e551a9e669179dd26b4e40aab5 blk0011.dat | c39eeb00ee4489722f82f53667a71584aa571913c6c0116017682ed508e5adcd blk0011.dat

03:13:13 mod6: bdabb513c4ced2b592897757d1a137263f7d709a86040c41772288caea55fb14 blk0012.dat | bdabb513c4ced2b592897757d1a137263f7d709a86040c41772288caea55fb14 blk0012.dat | 7da33b5bc03fcba571b854172938f000a9d5241757f3b186de93da34ddcb889f blk0012.dat

03:14:02 mod6: 35069477afe178861ddfe9d686625801e20fcb66b89d87b4a2730925aefd20a0 blk0013.dat | 35069477afe178861ddfe9d686625801e20fcb66b89d87b4a2730925aefd20a0 blk0013.dat | 25def233a2fa1c177169c74789070dc08de127b8447c7ee0784a8735353a42f8 blk0013.dat

03:14:16 asciilifeform: mod6: where are the 3rd items in these triples from ?

03:14:24 asciilifeform: anything peculiar about that node ?

03:15:35 mod6: 0a7c6b1127af5f47afe3138eb206c736d8452256826d0c3e030c5cd8c289b6e6 blk0014.dat | fc6f19747098be62ccadffda61c7c302d57748e05d2de95f5ee226ac250c71e5 blk0014.dat | fc6f19747098be62ccadffda61c7c302d57748e05d2de95f5ee226ac250c71e5 blk0014.dat

03:16:12 mod6: so one of them seems to be more screwed up than the others. but there were blocks like blk0009.dat & 10 where all were different.

03:16:23 mod6: one was done in january, one in february, and one in march.

03:16:42 mod6: january was pre SSL 1.0.1g

03:16:57 asciilifeform: this is probably when i say that it will be necessary to walk the blocks.

03:17:06 asciilifeform: and compare individual ones

03:19:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11300 @ 0.00046595 = 5.2652 BTC [+]

03:21:43 mod6: yeah, totally agree.

03:22:10 mod6: im suprised they diverged that much.

03:22:35 mod6: i would have though with all the same version (pretty much) that they would have all been the same hashes.

03:22:37 asciilifeform: ~recent~ syncs diverging is almost certainly a product of enemy fire

03:22:41 mod6: glad I looked at that

03:23:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64550 @ 0.00048971 = 31.6108 BTC [+] {3}

03:23:38 decimation: yeah, gotta take it block by block

03:25:57 decimation: the question is, how do we make a portable tool to suck blocks from bitcoin nodes?

03:26:07 decimation: something that parses .dat files?

03:26:24 asciilifeform: decimation: one way is what i'm doing

03:26:26 asciilifeform: but it's a bit slow

03:26:33 decimation: yes true

03:26:35 asciilifeform: there is a python thing floating around, iirc

03:26:37 asciilifeform: can try that.

03:26:47 asciilifeform: alternatively, write own (format is pretty simple)

03:26:54 mod6: yah, there's asciilifeform's way, and there's that python thing

03:27:10 asciilifeform: alternatively wait for me, but i'm up to my ears in backlog of work

03:28:57 asciilifeform: where the hell is mircea_popescu

03:29:04 asciilifeform: at this rate, he's gonna miss ragnarok.

03:30:01 asciilifeform: (then again, this ragnarok will still be there tomorrow..)

03:32:09 phf: fwiw dumpblock is expensive, because walks blockchain in order. a "dumpdb" that iterates over mapBlockIndex and does ReadFromDisk/<< for each block might be a reasonably fast way to split .db into separate block files

03:32:31 asciilifeform: phf: by far the simplest possible way is to simply walk the binary

03:32:56 asciilifeform: iirc, it is [mainortestchainflag][length][blockdata] repeated again and again

03:33:13 phf: oh, bah

03:33:39 asciilifeform: consult the src (linked earlier in this thread)

03:34:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41750 @ 0.00049034 = 20.4717 BTC [+]

03:42:12 midnightmagic: asciilifeform: What does 'enemy fire' mean?

03:42:46 asciilifeform: midnightmagic: the details remain to be learned

03:43:34 midnightmagic: asciilifeform: Why do you call it "enemy fire" and why are you certain it is that?

03:44:16 asciilifeform: if you want certainty, you will have to wait.

03:45:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68100 @ 0.00049172 = 33.4861 BTC [+] {2}

03:46:45 decimation: midnightmagic: what do you think it means

03:47:43 asciilifeform: see also the sacramental http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=23-11-2014#932006

03:47:43 assbot: Logged on 23-11-2014 05:22:35; kakobrekla: mircea_popescu no the question was did someone abuse the britneychain

03:49:08 midnightmagic: decimation: I'm not sure. That's why I'm asking.

03:49:18 midnightmagic: asciilifeform: I don't want certainty. I'm fine with wild speculation actually.

03:50:01 asciilifeform: then go, speculate.

03:51:18 midnightmagic: asciilifeform: Congratulations on making simple interaction so expensive.

03:52:15 midnightmagic: .. for literally no gain.

03:55:48 decimation: ;;ticker

03:55:50 gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 261.77, Best ask: 261.79, Bid-ask spread: 0.02000, Last trade: 261.78, 24 hour volume: 44409.17613371, 24 hour low: 258.0, 24 hour high: 269.0, 24 hour vwap: None

03:58:12 BingoBoingo: midnightmagic: For tremendous gain

03:58:39 asciilifeform: aha.

03:58:40 BingoBoingo: midnightmagic: God is sitting this one out, All we have is math.

04:03:54 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: so which obscure german academic is going to have 'known about this for a year' ? same fella as they trotted out for phuctor ?

04:03:57 asciilifeform: or different one.

04:04:24 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: They'll pull out another. They can invent new ones when they run out.

04:05:01 asciilifeform: poor overworked philippinos

04:05:18 asciilifeform: thought they were signing up for a quiet life of sending viagra spam

04:06:16 BingoBoingo: Indeed, all they wanted was to spam boner pills and invent people for FakeBook profiles

04:08:47 asciilifeform: 197380+, counting

04:08:54 danielpbarron: https://twitter.com/fuckeveryword/status/616093901401686017

04:08:56 asciilifeform: eater - still eating

04:09:16 danielpbarron: 30 link clicks and counting..

04:10:48 midnightmagic: well. be sure to post your 'wow' signal somewhere prominent when you find it.

04:10:55 asciilifeform: it'll be right here.

04:12:37 decimation: lolz http://blog.samaltman.com/energy < sam altman has a great new startup idea (YC certified): nuclear fusion

04:12:38 assbot: Energy - Sam Altman ... ( http://bit.ly/1KpwzyI )

04:13:13 asciilifeform: wake me up for the philosopher's stone startup

04:13:18 decimation: heh

04:13:53 decimation: asciilifeform: I shit you not: UPower: http://www.upowertech.com/

04:13:54 assbot: UPower Technologies, Inc. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KpwL0V )

04:14:17 *: asciilifeform wonders how many modern charlatans would carry on business if the consequence of failure to deliver were molten lead down their throat, as it often was for alchemists

04:14:20 decimation: and http://www.helionenergy.com/ < "By combining our years of experience in fusion, newly available electronics technologies, and a revolutionary design using cutting-edge physics, Helion is making a fusion engine 1,000 times smaller, over 500 times cheaper, and realizable 10 time faster than other projects."

04:14:21 assbot: Helion Energy ... ( http://bit.ly/1KpwMC4 )

04:14:38 decimation: "this time it's even more realizable!!"

04:14:44 asciilifeform: gotta love 'than other projects' part

04:15:00 decimation: they are going the magnetic bottles route

04:15:05 decimation: according to their infographic

04:15:08 asciilifeform: 'our perpetuum mobile is far more perpetual than that of other projects'

04:15:12 trinque: ah man, I'll be able to bolt one of these to my emdrive and colonize mars

04:15:20 decimation: and 10 times more realizable too!

04:16:01 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu correctly observed that perpetuum mobile is pretty much the only thing that could save the shitempire

04:16:09 asciilifeform: and so expect it to become an obsession

04:16:26 asciilifeform: qin shi huangdi's immortality pills.

04:16:40 trinque: I will be so sad if a fusion breakthrough happens in the USA for that reason...

04:17:01 decimation: http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2015/06/30/california-internet-outage/29521335/

04:17:01 assbot: FBI investigating 11 attacks on San Francisco-area Internet lines ... ( http://bit.ly/1IM47Tq )

04:17:11 asciilifeform: l0l

04:17:19 asciilifeform: and they didn't even need a fusion-powered death ray, it seems

04:17:41 trinque: ctrl-f "china"

04:17:51 trinque: haven't blamed 'em yet

04:17:53 decimation: asciilifeform: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/08/20/the-immortality-financiers-the-billionaires-who-want-to-live-forever.html < larry ellison is literally demanding immortality pills

04:17:55 assbot: The Immortality Financiers: The Billionaires Who Want to Live Forever - The Daily Beast ... ( http://bit.ly/1IM4cXi )

04:18:02 asciilifeform: there once was a time when usg cables were armoured in concrete tubes

04:18:08 asciilifeform: and switch boxes - guarded

04:18:33 asciilifeform: today they are in plastic pipes, and - unless belonging to cia/nsa in particular - marked with a bright orange public stake

04:19:01 trinque: << According to his biographer, Ellison sees death as “just another kind of corporate opponent he can outfox.” >>

04:19:03 trinque: bahahahah

04:19:06 asciilifeform: often the egress point, between the underground conduit and the switch box - is naked entirely

04:19:16 trinque: culture of narcissists indeed

04:19:27 decimation: asciilifeform: yeah, because nobody gives a fuck

04:19:46 asciilifeform: evidently ~somebody~ gave a fuck

04:19:51 asciilifeform: a few hacks of axe's worth of fuck

04:19:54 decimation: 'they' have 'gotten away' with shit infrastructure for decades, why start now

04:20:22 decimation: "Mark Peterson, a spokesman for Wave Broadband, said an unspecified number of Sacramento-area customers were knocked offline by the latest attack. He characterized the Tuesday attack as "coordinated" and said the company was working with Level 3 and Zayo to restore service."

04:20:33 trinque: sci fi story idea: they claim to have invented the immortality treatment, is actually a procedure for implanting your mind control chip

04:20:37 trinque: probably already done 100 times

04:20:49 asciilifeform: trinque: ancient

04:20:59 asciilifeform: !s dulap

04:21:00 assbot: 40 results for 'dulap' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=dulap

04:21:03 asciilifeform: ^ my personal favourite

04:21:04 decimation: asciilifeform: let this be a wake up call, if you don't have your parachute ready...

04:21:14 trinque: asciilifeform: cool

04:21:44 asciilifeform: http://fraudsters.com/2014/romanian-bloggers-part-2 << mandatory

04:21:45 assbot: Romanian bloggers, part 2 on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1IM4Kwt )

04:22:18 asciilifeform: And the Prince inquired, like all boys his age, upon finding out what The Ritual actually was :

04:22:18 asciilifeform: - But do I actually have to cut off my cock and balls ?! Couldn't I just promise not to have kids and like, squirt outside ?

04:22:18 asciilifeform: - It's a symbol, in the shitvi, explained his father, the King. You have to experience real loss to understand the importance of respecting the subterranean world and its rules. It's not easy to do. That's why when someone does it, he's considered truly an adult and counted with people. Until then his notions don't matter. I know what I say may seem absurd to you, but then again one day you'll be prepared, and willing to cut o

04:22:19 asciilifeform: ff your cock and balls. That day you'll become a man. vii

04:22:47 decimation: lol

04:26:47 cazalla: wru deedbot

04:26:49 phf: asciilifeform: blk format is magic 4 byte sequence (http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp#1779), then int32 size, then cblock

04:26:58 asciilifeform: aha

04:27:07 asciilifeform: pretty much what i said earlier

04:27:15 phf: yeap

04:27:22 asciilifeform: btw, eater is still eating at 200158+

04:27:25 trinque: wat

04:27:40 asciilifeform: not long now

04:27:40 scoopbot_revived: Qntra (S.QNTR) June 2015 Statement http://qntra.net/2015/07/qntra-s-qntr-june-2015-statement/

04:27:40 *: trinque goes to beat deedbot with a wrench

04:28:24 trinque: it thinks its connected on its end

04:28:48 trinque: might be a fun common lisp weekend project to redo it in that

04:28:55 trinque: I'm starting to dislike this golang bot

04:30:34 trinque: cazalla: there he is if ya need it ^

04:30:46 cazalla: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/1VBP07J.txt

04:30:47 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KpzkQI )

04:30:48 deedbot-: accepted: 1

04:31:12 decimation: trinque: does he become 'netsplit'?

04:31:35 trinque: decimation: I've seen that not handled well too, but this time he was just sitting there as if connected

04:31:56 cazalla: tfw buying a deciduous tree in the winter and feel like i bought a stick for $20 lol (Hovenia dulcis if anyone cares as much)

04:33:38 decimation: cazalla: I recently bought a new house, and I'm trying to figure out what trees I have

04:33:46 decimation: I'm not sure if I have a walnut or mountain ash, for instance

04:33:55 decimation: as Jesus says, you will know a tree by its fruit

04:34:11 asciilifeform: 201187+

04:34:13 cazalla: i've been buying em online, was a suss about that but all of em have turned up fine so far

04:34:20 cazalla: a bit* even

04:34:23 asciilifeform: i'm off to bed. will wake up to the boojum, if it appears.

04:34:55 decimation: asciilifeform: 'night

04:36:27 cazalla: decimation, walnut would be a bonus.. i want to get a few pine nut trees but can be up to 10 years before you get anything from it

04:45:33 decimation: yeah, I agree, would be nice. Apparently the former owners let a weedy russian olive tree grow too

05:08:22 trinque: speaking of which, the other weedy trees are legal here at midnight.

05:10:15 BingoBoingo: Just avoid the black walnuts, Their culture kills everything around them

05:17:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52050 @ 0.00049302 = 25.6617 BTC [+] {3}

05:24:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59579 @ 0.00048228 = 28.7338 BTC [-] {3}

05:27:06 ben_vulpes: trinque: waiwut?

05:27:15 ben_vulpes: rly?

05:27:27 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: heck of a find, brownie!

05:28:09 *: ben_vulpes is unlikely to get dedicated testing time over the weekend

05:29:50 ben_vulpes: escaping america day in canada

05:30:51 mats: that's a confusing construction

05:31:41 mats: i wondered if you had moved north

05:32:27 ben_vulpes: eventually will

05:32:40 ben_vulpes: population flows aren't hard to predict in this neck of the woods

05:34:23 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: What about south or east?

05:34:25 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: this whole eatblock/dumpblock/compare hashes thing really is stellar

05:35:02 trinque: ben_vulpes: yeh our renegade pot law goes into effect

05:35:21 ben_vulpes: aha trinque well goodness me

05:35:35 trinque: wont use the 10th amendment to piss in the NSA's cheerios, but we'll certainly use it for that!

05:35:45 ben_vulpes: PISSS

05:39:01 *: BingoBoingo just back from pissing on the runt rosebush, could use the nitrogen

05:41:03 BingoBoingo: !up HeySteve

05:41:12 HeySteve: hey, thanks

05:41:23 ben_vulpes: hey, seve

05:41:26 ben_vulpes: fuck

05:41:31 HeySteve: hi!

05:41:42 ben_vulpes: how's it hangin?

05:41:58 mats: heh, today's xkcd

05:42:46 HeySteve: all good and your side, ben_vulpes?

05:43:38 ben_vulpes: busy

05:43:56 ben_vulpes: alf sez he has a boojum in the blockchain

05:44:08 HeySteve: not that I've used their service but I've been reading about all the pushback Uber is getting around the world

05:44:18 HeySteve: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-06-30/when-disruption-gets-too-disruptive

05:44:19 assbot: When Disruption Gets Too Disruptive | Zero Hedge ... ( http://bit.ly/1GLDpt1 )

05:45:05 HeySteve: SA can be added to the list, lots of protests against Uber here. was wondering if there's a way to decentralise it...

05:45:22 HeySteve: BitUber or something

05:45:32 mats: lol

05:49:20 HeySteve: Christine Walters, Johburg’s mayoral committee member for transport: "The city would like a South African flavour of black economic empowerment with Uber." - this sort of brain damage has taken over pretty much everything here

05:50:13 mats: not everything can or should be decentralized

05:50:27 mats: that's brain damage all on its own

05:51:28 *: BingoBoingo kinda likes the parallel car systems

05:52:27 mats: lyft was weird

05:52:58 mats: driver insisted i sit in front, fist bump him, and talk the whole trip

05:53:15 mats: deleted the app after i finished my free ride

05:53:39 HeySteve: mats, I hear you

05:53:59 HeySteve: but this is a case where it makes sense

05:56:48 *: BingoBoingo owns plastic car for this reason.

05:56:51 ben_vulpes: robot cars when

05:56:58 HeySteve: so app that handles escrow of fare, oracle uses GPS to verify destination was reached within a certain time, that's it... right?

05:57:20 ben_vulpes: i want to be able to put 5 million down on a fleet of robot cars and wreck an industry or 5

05:57:27 ben_vulpes: trucks, whatever

05:57:42 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Fuck robot cars. I like pointing my deadly road machine where I like.

05:57:43 ben_vulpes: starting with cabs

05:57:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23619 @ 0.00046607 = 11.0081 BTC [-]

05:58:05 ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: i dream of a world where the insurance to drive your own ass around is prohibitive for all but the ultra-rich

05:58:41 ben_vulpes: stop burning all the fucking oil to get your dumb asses around!

05:59:06 ben_vulpes: i'm speshul tho. i'm cool and i get to drive my car as much as i want :P

05:59:53 BingoBoingo: Nah, insurance should be cheap. Getting insurance though should be hard through other means.

05:59:59 mats: you gonna decentralize vehicle inspections, background checks, accounting, driver recruitment, commercial insurance, too?

06:00:38 HeySteve: eh, sounds like a lot of unecessary paperwork to me

06:00:41 ben_vulpes: no, i'm just going to put everyone involved with the piloting of vehicles out of work

06:00:43 HeySteve: rep system ftw

06:00:51 mats: ...

06:01:03 HeySteve: you worry too much, mats

06:01:23 ben_vulpes: !b 2

06:01:24 assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2TDGYCX.txt )

06:01:33 ben_vulpes: it's a hazard of the dude's occupation.

06:02:50 HeySteve: ok but the big picture here is it'll give all the regulatory types a fit

06:04:01 mats: and nobody will care after a dozen women disappear after their last known position was inside one of your cars

06:04:44 ben_vulpes: dude video cameras

06:04:48 ben_vulpes: embrace the surveillance state

06:04:57 ben_vulpes: bezzle up!

06:05:05 HeySteve: driver will get bad rep after first abduction, so doubt he'll make it to a dozen unless he changes nick and car

06:05:11 ben_vulpes: WHAT DRIVER

06:05:17 mats: oh right, we can decentralize the video feed too

06:05:22 HeySteve: sorry, I mean the driverbot

06:05:44 ben_vulpes: decentralize nothing

06:05:48 ben_vulpes: own vehicles, record video

06:06:10 BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> it's a hazard of the dude's occupation. << No, it is a Hazzard, for a certain sort of Duke

06:06:24 ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: ba-dump-psh

06:06:27 HeySteve: lol

06:07:08 mats: excellent troll

06:07:13 mats: i concede

06:07:25 ben_vulpes: what troll

06:07:34 ben_vulpes: i'm going to buy a bunch of goddamn trucks.

06:08:49 BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> embrace the surveillance state << I may or may not have around 2009 driven a VIP across county and or state lines because they did not want their travel recorded.

06:09:38 mats: am still amused by folks saying 'well it would be weird if uber wasn't spending tons to expand' after seeing term sheet

06:10:14 mats: like its normal to run a half billion dollar net loss in a low margin low moat industry

06:11:02 mats: would sure like to meet these folks at a poker table

06:12:18 BingoBoingo: <mats> would sure like to meet these folks at a poker table << Honestly I'd just like to meet them at a bar or the pony track jsut to cycle the games they bleed through, because these colors don't run http://qntra.net/qntra.jpg

06:12:19 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GLH368 )

06:13:05 *: funkenstein_ prefers decentralized hitchhiking

06:13:39 HeySteve: el confedejito

06:14:05 BingoBoingo: <HeySteve> el confedejito << Indeed. Should have taken Mexico First

06:14:35 funkenstein_: BingoBoingo, something about that rabbit makes me think it is about to dunk on a regulation basket

06:15:04 BingoBoingo: funkenstein_: Not my rabbit, inquire with Chief edditoriador cazalla

06:15:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @ 0.00047469 = 4.0823 BTC [+]

06:15:41 trinque: ben_vulpes: so like... https://github.com/omcljs/ambly/wiki/ClojureScript-React-Native-Quick-Start

06:15:43 assbot: ClojureScript React Native Quick Start · omcljs/ambly Wiki · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1GLHmOk )

06:16:19 cazalla: BingoBoingo, perhaps Chef would be the appropriate word? :P

06:16:29 BingoBoingo: lol

06:18:06 ben_vulpes: <mats> like its normal to run a half billion dollar net loss in a low margin low moat industry << normal american stock ponzi in action

06:18:18 ben_vulpes: should be legal! let the chumps get chumped.

06:19:00 ben_vulpes: trinque: you probly want reagent if it isn't rotting in place

06:19:33 funkenstein_: blockchain getting hammered today, what is going on?

06:19:52 ben_vulpes: trinque: i haven't done clj->js in 5-10 months, so everything i know is probably stale

06:19:56 ben_vulpes: funkenstein_: "hammered"?

06:20:15 trinque: ben_vulpes: yeah you can use reagent in this manner

06:20:24 funkenstein_: like, ddosed

06:20:39 trinque: wanted to know if the native thing would eat clojurescript, in case I end up having to use it

06:21:20 BingoBoingo: <funkenstein_> like, ddosed << No, "Stress Tested" which means showing how great present anti-spam limit is because spammers

06:21:33 *: ben_vulpes goes to read trinque's thing

06:22:11 ben_vulpes: oh naaaaitve

06:22:24 ben_vulpes: trinque: long day

06:24:11 ben_vulpes: good god man there are so many layers in that thing

06:24:23 trinque: I know right? such complexity mountain

06:24:47 ben_vulpes: i'm starting to wonder of 'clojure all the things' isn't a poettering-smell

06:24:50 ben_vulpes: if

06:25:10 trinque: of course it is

06:25:17 trinque: and in this case there's a browser underneath

06:25:26 trinque: so I'm not about to start preferring a particular flavor of shit

06:25:28 trinque: :D

06:27:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7981 @ 0.000467 = 3.7271 BTC [-]

06:28:59 ben_vulpes: it just takes the "duct tape the jet fighter to the submarine" mindset to a revolting degree

06:29:09 ben_vulpes: and i say that as a guy who duct tapes jet fighters to submarines

06:29:21 trinque: big time

06:29:28 ben_vulpes: (to deliver a pair of socks that nobody asked for)

06:29:33 trinque: hopefully this webassembly thing takes some pain out, but I'm sure it'll be a while on that

06:29:38 ben_vulpes: (that arrive wet)

06:29:41 trinque: haha

06:30:08 ben_vulpes: (because "'we'll iterate on it, instead of asking the engineers")

06:30:25 ben_vulpes: webasm huh?

06:30:38 ben_vulpes: can that be a common lisp runtime?

06:32:01 funkenstein_: well if TX channels do break, it is eventually the resonsibility of the spender to get the TX to a pool - using external channel

06:32:15 ben_vulpes: sharp lisper might be able to sell software in that space.

06:32:20 trinque: ben_vulpes: that's what I would like

06:32:29 trinque: I've looked around for a common lisp on llvm, as that's what farts into webasm

06:32:36 trinque: haven't found anything that looked like a good decision

06:32:41 trinque: but maybe one's called for now

06:34:01 ben_vulpes: di i still have to fuck with the dom in webasm?

06:37:29 trinque: ben_vulpes: as I understand it, this is like... emscripten bytecode

06:37:38 trinque: emscripten has an API to poke the DOM I think

06:37:59 trinque: dunno whether you also get a lower level graphics api

06:39:57 ben_vulpes: i'm uninterested in anything new that touches the dom

06:40:47 ben_vulpes: but i'm a reluctant frontend guy to begin with.

06:41:22 BingoBoingo: Seriously we need to storm an intel fab/fap and start pumping out Z80++/MIPS/and Scheme79 chips

06:41:31 ben_vulpes: we'll be writing swift and javascript's successors until linus goes insane while still at the helm

06:41:58 ben_vulpes: and the whole thing implodes

06:42:04 BingoBoingo: I dunno swift and javascript need successors

06:42:30 ben_vulpes: objc/dom tech, BingoBoingo

06:42:38 ben_vulpes: java too likely

06:42:55 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Do you really need those things? Or do you merely want them?

06:43:38 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform would love to sleep forever, i would like to program in lisp all day

06:44:05 ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: what is the casing of an oil well made of?

06:44:47 BingoBoingo: Steel. Because the well runs dry before it corrodes

06:45:16 ben_vulpes: 'tis a messy business. men lose hands, minds and lives.

06:45:59 BingoBoingo: Yeah

06:46:10 ben_vulpes: hands to the keyboard, minds to VN, lives to the altar of technology.

06:47:04 BingoBoingo: Kill it with fire. We're already stuck with Boost

06:47:29 *: ben_vulpes to bed, and tomorrow's blocknews

06:47:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3333 @ 0.00046535 = 1.551 BTC [-]

06:54:24 BingoBoingo: lol at skills now "rare" http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-33291036

06:54:25 assbot: Computer museum seeks BBC Micro fixers - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1GLNjLa )

07:03:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2386 @ 0.00046535 = 1.1103 BTC [-]

08:02:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16750 @ 0.00048352 = 8.099 BTC [+]

08:10:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52000 @ 0.00049524 = 25.7525 BTC [+] {2}

08:17:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40600 @ 0.00049585 = 20.1315 BTC [+] {3}

08:18:17 shinohai: ;;later tell mod6 Plox pm me when you have a spare 3 minutes, gracias.

08:18:17 gribble: The operation succeeded.

08:19:22 BingoBoingo: shinohai jurov: Either of you find the set of electrum-server bitcoind patches? I'm running into some serious memory hole here.

08:19:53 shinohai: I haven't yet BingoBoingo but have the same issue :/

08:20:16 shinohai: I need to hop over to their chan and try to catch someone online I guess.

08:20:27 BingoBoingo: Fucking electrum-server github doesn't have any releases or milestones tagged

08:21:20 *: BingoBoingo hates both Github and "rolling release"

08:22:32 BingoBoingo: Even wikipedos save all historical states on those pages

08:22:39 shinohai: Lol I probably would have gave up on that project for a while if you hadn't mentioned it.

08:22:54 shinohai: So it piqued my interest.

08:24:25 *: BingoBoingo this fall wants to be able to run a Foundation bitcoin release powering an electrum server with 200-500 connections.

08:24:55 BingoBoingo: The electrum server being private and serving IRL known persons

08:25:55 shinohai: That is what I was thinking, since you can connect only to a specific server

08:27:02 BingoBoingo: Would also be nice if I could derp some authentication onto the electrum service.

08:28:21 BingoBoingo: Also... "Ted 2" not so bad

08:29:46 shinohai: Damn rt printed that damn story too: http://rt.com/usa/270550-bitcoin-energy-hog-critics/

08:29:46 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FQf1Wk )

08:32:27 HeySteve: goddamn retards, did they factor in the energy cost of all the VISA execs driving to and from work, just for starters?

08:32:51 BingoBoingo: HeySteve: Or Visa employing all those call center HamPlanets

08:36:32 HeySteve: heh

08:36:46 HeySteve: I wonder how much energy it takes to produce a credit card

08:39:38 HeySteve: Krugman moaned about the energy costs too, not sure who came up with this nonsense originally but that was at least a year ago

08:42:13 mats: zzz

08:42:16 shinohai: https://i.imgur.com/sOJr4Bv.jpg

08:42:16 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1f03Vcn )

09:02:25 BingoBoingo: HeySteve: It takes a fuckton of calories of oil to stamp a plastic card indeed

09:02:35 BingoBoingo: Not to mention the dyes

09:09:33 funkenstein_: ;;later tell copypaste please test coin-vote.com again, improved

09:09:35 gribble: The operation succeeded.

09:19:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43034 @ 0.00049889 = 21.4692 BTC [+]

09:29:05 HeySteve: https://medium.com/@FavorableCarry/relax-about-bitcoin-electricity-use-1ca2446ae5ab

09:29:07 assbot: Relax About Bitcoin Electricity Use — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hu402x )

09:31:31 BingoBoingo: "Bring it On" (2000) >> Best movie on USA racial relations in the 21st century

09:40:00 cazalla: ya really got a thing for those black chicks eh :P

09:44:30 BingoBoingo: Nah, narrative arc goes Whitey steals from Blackie, blackie gets angry but restrained by their better angels, blackie wins

09:44:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56850 @ 0.00050725 = 28.8372 BTC [+] {3}

09:46:20 cazalla: i remember the trailer but never saw the movie, tbh i would assume the white girls win

09:48:03 BingoBoingo: Watching atm following asciilifeform's earlier "Mean Girls" reccomendation

09:48:10 cazalla: and if memory serves, i think this is the 2nd or 3rd time you've mentioned the movie so is it a personal fav?

09:50:27 *: BingoBoingo just following reccomendations of his betters

09:53:40 BingoBoingo: Also, the rare black chicks that aren't HamPlanets

10:04:56 BingoBoingo: Also total shitlord movie: "Everyone eat half"

10:06:11 BingoBoingo: "Fat people are harder to throw"

10:18:54 mats: http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2015-07/01/c_134373008.htm

10:18:55 assbot: China's top legislature ratifies BRICS bank agreement - Xinhua | English.news.cn ... ( http://bit.ly/1eiuVTf )

10:21:26 cazalla: BingoBoingo, ya got a veg garden going with tomatoes or anything this summer?

10:26:49 BingoBoingo: Mostly zucchini so far

10:27:33 mats: http://s3.eurecom.fr/docs/dimva15_clementine.pdf << ' Cross-Cores Cache Covert Channel'

10:27:35 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1U7kH9j )

10:31:57 cazalla: hmm, got a new warning http://i.imgur.com/66dgj00.png

10:31:58 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1U7ljf9 )

10:41:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33600 @ 0.00050185 = 16.8622 BTC [-] {2}

10:48:12 mats: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/06/grace/397064

10:48:14 assbot: Obama's ‘Amazing Grace’ - The Atlantic ... ( http://bit.ly/1eiyqcp )

10:52:07 mats: what an amazing piece of spin wrapped in love and grace

10:52:07 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

10:52:19 mats: A+

10:59:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53000 @ 0.00051346 = 27.2134 BTC [+]

11:06:14 shinohai: @ cazalla what version did u get that warning with? http://i.imgur.com/66dgj00.png

11:06:15 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1eizXzo )

11:08:02 cazalla: shinohai, 0.8.3

11:09:40 shinohai: Oh ok, so the war drums are beating xD

11:11:13 cazalla: i usually get the "warning: display tx may not be current, u need to update your shit or other nodes need to" one

11:11:48 cazalla: http://i.imgur.com/Me2lpYR.jpg

11:11:49 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1HwG8x4 )

11:21:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19626 @ 0.00049754 = 9.7647 BTC [-]

11:36:28 punkman: ;;ticker

11:36:29 gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 256.66, Best ask: 256.67, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 256.66, 24 hour volume: 31835.3990557, 24 hour low: 252.77, 24 hour high: 269.0, 24 hour vwap: None

11:38:54 punkman: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/01/us/politics/fisa-surveillance-court-rules-nsa-can-resume-bulk-data-collection.html?_r=0

11:38:57 assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1GYUqmH )

11:52:16 kakobrekla: http://i.imgur.com/DF17gFE.jpg

11:52:17 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GYWZoI )

11:57:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40500 @ 0.00048188 = 19.5161 BTC [-] {2}

11:58:42 shinohai: lol @ dat pic

12:00:15 punkman: http://www.theguardian.com/money/2015/jun/30/greece-capital-controls-confusion-foreign-transactions-credit-cards

12:00:16 assbot: Greeks abroad have credit cards rejected amid confusion over capital controls | Money | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1GYYnYw )

12:06:15 jurov: BingoBoingo: I suffered some hdd crashes and such patches were not backed up.. try looking into old revisions of readme

12:06:27 jurov: on github

12:06:59 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: anomaly from last night ~wasn't~ replicated. eater successfully ate blocks through 217336 (shat the day before using 'dumpblock' from earlier sync with mircea_popescu's node)

12:07:42 asciilifeform: not sure what to blame other than ram fault (experiment was taking place on a portable with non-ecc ram)

12:28:41 mod6: thx for the update asciilifeform

12:35:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64630 @ 0.00050999 = 32.9607 BTC [+] {2}

13:14:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11704 @ 0.00048476 = 5.6736 BTC [-]

13:18:43 punkman: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/10115832/Chinese-farmer-jailed-for-making-a-rubber-alien.html

13:18:44 assbot: Chinese farmer jailed for making a rubber alien - Telegraph ... ( http://bit.ly/1BY6Agv )

13:26:45 asciilifeform: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/11709753/Teenage-girl-with-toilet-phobia-dies-from-heart-attack-after-going-eight-weeks-without-using-loo.html << from earlier link

13:26:46 assbot: Teenage girl with toilet phobia dies from heart attack after going eight weeks without using loo - Telegraph ... ( http://bit.ly/1dxgiea )

13:36:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26700 @ 0.00048071 = 12.835 BTC [-]

13:37:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77700 @ 0.00047801 = 37.1414 BTC [-] {3}

13:43:16 shinohai: "would frequently withhold her stools"

14:01:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50600 @ 0.00047487 = 24.0284 BTC [-]

14:08:30 jurov: kek https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/437 and related http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2014-August/022575.html

14:08:32 assbot: timeX.google.com provide non standard time · Issue #437 · systemd/systemd · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1dxolrp )

14:08:33 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1dxok6P )

14:09:27 jurov: "No. We don't add configuration options for a thousand different things. This is really not something I want to see in systemd upstream."

14:10:38 jurov: (poettering)

14:12:55 jurov: gavin should ask him to add bitcoin-nxt to systemd. i'm sure reddit would be euphoric beyond measure on that

14:13:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4596 @ 0.00048476 = 2.228 BTC [+]

14:16:04 jurov: incredible, these lennards contortions "but we are not vendor, systemd is not a product"

14:33:34 asciilifeform: achtung, panzers!

14:33:43 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000107.html

14:33:44 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1dxt8sZ )

14:33:49 asciilifeform: 'Results of First 'Deterministic Sync' Experiment, With Memory Consumption Plots.'

14:35:53 asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150701/pss_2f32fc9570f505a65c46b118c415cae70d57d757.png << probably the figure of interest to most folks here

14:35:53 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1dxtuQd )

14:36:28 asciilifeform: note that the entire shebang is includes

14:36:43 asciilifeform: (e.g., the pmap output processor, the gnuplot script)

14:37:01 asciilifeform: also note that plots of figures which remained constant throughout the run were omitted.

14:37:47 jurov: asciilifeform: iirc you wanted me to remove attachment size limit, what do you plan to send?

14:38:18 asciilifeform: jurov: the other day, i tried to send these: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-06-2015#1180989

14:38:18 assbot: Logged on 29-06-2015 04:51:04; asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://www.loper-os.org/pub/turdsums/readme_s.txt http://www.loper-os.org/pub/turdsums/sums.txt.gz http://www.loper-os.org/pub/turdsums/sums.txt.gz.sig

14:39:31 mod6: asciilifeform: nice charts. wd.

14:39:39 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6: feel free to use the figures on your blog. they are rather painful to view from ml

14:39:52 asciilifeform: also i think i have included everything needed to replicate this experiment.

14:40:44 jurov: such "multimedia" stuff is better to publish on blog

14:41:18 asciilifeform: jurov: would it be painful to modify turdatron such that it displays images, in the same way as .txt ?

14:42:12 jurov: not much, but i'm behind on more important stuff, like less painful sigs tracking

14:42:19 asciilifeform: ok

14:43:02 mircea_popescu: good morning assets!

14:43:07 mircea_popescu: did i actually miss teh ragnarok ?

14:43:11 asciilifeform: i have omitted any discussion of yesterday's anomaly from this article, because i was unable to replicate it

14:43:24 asciilifeform: hence by the ancient 'pics or it didn't happen' theorem, it didn't happen...

14:44:25 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as far as i can tell, it was an ~actual~ cosmic ray

14:44:28 mircea_popescu: ima go through two days of logs over here, pray for me.

14:44:46 asciilifeform: (well, technically single-bit errors in dram are normally from alpha decay of the materials of which the damn thing itself is made)

14:45:20 mircea_popescu: !up SirJacket_

14:45:39 *: asciilifeform bbl, spending some time in wheeled coffin

14:46:02 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform re teh seed : ima hopefully have it either working or a better idea of wtf is the problem in ~3-4 hoursd.

14:47:36 mircea_popescu: but so far : i put the chain on new server, moved over binary to work it (hey, should work right ?). it sort-of worked but with weird errors. had to have the thing recompiled, which lead to indicating the chain being broken. except the chain checked out, up to the last block. turns out human error on the splicing of the chain copy, so the ul had to be redone (not all , but the index is large)

14:47:42 mircea_popescu: and that brings us to the present.

14:49:54 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-06-2015#1181240 << the one thing left loose is that AFTER such, rms is not saying, to me or to anyone, "hey, drepper moved to the dark side, glibc was forked". the last thing you'd expect rms to be indicted for would be an inclination to "make things work" and fold for convenience rather than stand for principle. nevertheless...

14:49:54 assbot: Logged on 29-06-2015 20:38:44; ascii_field: 'Stallman recently tried what I would call a hostile takeover of the glibc development. He tried to conspire behind my back and persuade the other main developers to take control so that in the end he is in control and can dictate whatever pleases him. This attempt failed but he kept on pressuring people everywhere and it got really ugly. In the end I agreed to the creation of a so-called "steering c

14:49:59 mircea_popescu: weird how the world works.

14:52:26 jurov: asciilifeform: limit raised to 64M (allows for ~ 50M attachments)

14:53:29 mircea_popescu: "*BUT*: updating the C library is no trivial task and it is very easy to damage one's system. Therefore, persons who do not exactly know what to do, should consider using a binary distribution instead, when it becomes available."

14:56:48 mats: http://www.scribd.com/mobile/doc/270137312/Bitstamp-Incident-Report-2-20-15

14:56:50 assbot: Bitstamp Incident Report 2-20-15 ... ( http://bit.ly/1dxy9lp )

14:57:45 mats: can drop /mobile/ from the url without issue

14:57:59 mircea_popescu: can drop scribd too ?

14:58:12 scoopbot_revived: Eulora mini update, July 1st http://fraudsters.com/2015/eulora-mini-update-july-1st/

14:58:28 decimation: mats, asciilifeform, others: http://gcc.godbolt.org/#{%22version%22%3A3%2C%22filterAsm%22%3A{%22labels%22%3Atrue%2C%22directives%22%3Atrue%2C%22commentOnly%22%3Atrue}%2C%22compilers%22%3A[{%22sourcez%22%3A%22PTAEBUE8AcFNUgewK4CdQGNEBN4AtZVYAaURdAG0QENtRqA7UWAD2oFtoLYA6AKACWDAC6hsiAO54B3ABQBKPgG8%2BoUENHUA3KrGIl1UAF56oANQBGLQF9QuqTNiyADPJ3W%2BgkaAaTpcxRV1b21dQxNqS3cgAA%3D%3D%22%2C%22compiler%22%3A%22icc1301%22%2C%22options%22%3A%22%22}

14:58:29 assbot: Compiler Explorer ... ( http://bit.ly/1dxyuEp )

14:58:44 decimation: ^ to continue our 'useless do before while' thread

14:59:06 mats: dear god that url

14:59:08 mircea_popescu: that url scares me

14:59:17 mircea_popescu: is it turing complete ?

14:59:29 decimation: yeah, well except would you rather a 'link shortner' to the same?

14:59:39 mircea_popescu: assbot provides

14:59:49 decimation: exactly

15:00:14 mircea_popescu: i just never saw a kernel url before is all.

15:01:11 mircea_popescu: decimation maybe im slow, but what about it ? a push a pop two moves an imul

15:03:13 decimation: no I'm trying to figure it out too

15:03:18 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181359 << to expound on that : a trader is not a commodity enthusiast. in general enthusiasts make very poor traders, which is why all the gold bugs are poor.

15:03:18 assbot: Logged on 30-06-2015 00:10:56; mircea_popescu: i have my doubts.

15:03:20 decimation: I mean, it's legal C, but why both

15:03:34 decimation: mircea_popescu: that was Taleb's point too

15:03:39 mircea_popescu: aha

15:03:55 decimation: I think it got cut off but the guy who thought 'green lumber' was literally boards painted green was an excellent trader

15:04:08 mircea_popescu: yeah it's in there.

15:04:59 decimation: and it is what Fat Tony was talking about: oil traders 'all thought' that they knew about oil and the iraq war, whereas he saw that 'geopolitical analysis' and 'oil trade' isn't the 'same ting'

15:05:36 mircea_popescu: !up PFate

15:06:22 mircea_popescu: same principle yields "great politicians" who have no particular interest in what the flag looks like.

15:06:32 decimation: no I bring up the do{stuff} while(0) because it's in amazon's new openssl 'replacement'

15:07:24 decimation: https://github.com/awslabs/s2n/blob/master/utils/s2n_safety.h < here in the memcpy_check

15:07:25 assbot: s2n/s2n_safety.h at master · awslabs/s2n · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1dxAcpj )

15:07:33 decimation: the library is well written C99

15:07:40 mats: http://www.docdroid.net/159hk/270137312-bitstamp-incident-report-2-20-15.pdf.html reupload to a 'free online document hosting tool'

15:07:41 assbot: 270137312-Bitstamp-Incident-Report-2-20-15.pdf - DocDroid ... ( http://bit.ly/1dxAgWn )

15:07:53 mats: BingoBoingo: ^ may be good for a scoop? not sure how new this information is

15:08:08 decimation: #define memcpy_check( d, s, n ) do { notnull_check( (d) ); if ( memcpy( (d), (s), (n)) != (d) ) { S2N_ERROR(S2N_ERR_MEMCPY); } } while(0)

15:08:45 decimation: asciilifeform: ^ can you explain why the do{} while(0) structure?

15:08:47 mats: decimation: your link loads 'hello world' in the editor -- toss it into pastein?

15:09:07 decimation: here's a working shortener http://goo.gl/w7e54H

15:09:08 assbot: Compiler Explorer ... ( http://bit.ly/1dxAGfb )

15:09:41 decimation: note that gcc creates exactly the same code for that structure

15:09:41 mircea_popescu: !up stoon

15:09:57 decimation: (compared to the non-do{}while(0) version)

15:10:40 decimation: intel's icc just puts in a useless extra check

15:11:28 *: decimation back to the mines

15:12:15 mircea_popescu: i have nfi.

15:14:09 mats: not sure either. am inquiring now.

15:14:53 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181393 << spurious note left in accidentally. i was going to do some reverse tracking of the connecting ips, but in the end decided to just publish them, you can do yourself same thing.

15:14:53 assbot: Logged on 30-06-2015 00:30:42; mike_c: mircea_popescu: You left us hanging there! Since it's missing, I must know what those points of interest are :)

15:16:20 mike_c: ah, thanks.

15:16:32 mats: decimation: man in #asm sez, normally one uses that in #define's due to limitations on preprocessor macro syntax

15:17:17 mircea_popescu: mike_c sorry to have caused your genes distress :D

15:20:36 mats: decimation: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/923822/whats-the-use-of-do-while0-when-we-define-a-macro

15:20:37 assbot: c - What's the use of do while(0) when we define a macro? - Stack Overflow ... ( http://bit.ly/1dxDtVD )

15:22:49 decimation: mats: ah, ty. another link (from the above stackoverflow link) http://c-faq.com/cpp/multistmt.html

15:22:50 assbot: Question 10.4 ... ( http://bit.ly/1f19S8W )

15:22:58 *: decimation really back to mines :)

15:28:43 mats: "One of these, UPE_application_form.doc, contained obfuscated malicious VBA script. When opened, this script ran automatically and pulled down a malicious file from IP address, thereby compromising [Kodric's] machine."

15:29:05 mats: hue

15:29:50 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181418 << it's very funny to me, this. idiots are carefully averting other idiots' eyes from important shit. which is altogether a good thing, last fucking thing anyone wants is a deluge of "well meaning" idiots and other "enthusiasts". at least if the anyone in question stops and thinks about it for five minutes.

15:29:50 assbot: Logged on 30-06-2015 00:55:29; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181377 << my current understanding is that the blackout in 'reddit' et al. re: therealbitcoin is more or less total.

15:30:16 mircea_popescu: this sort of service one couldn't pay for, but i doubt they providing it are aware. somehow it seems ot me it'd be pretty painful if they found out.

15:30:32 mod6: forgot post this in here lastnight: http://thebitcoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000106.html

15:30:34 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1dxFNMs )

15:32:27 mircea_popescu: mats what is that ?

15:33:14 mats: mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1182807 << Bitstamp Incident Report February 20, 2015

15:33:14 assbot: Logged on 01-07-2015 15:07:40; mats: http://www.docdroid.net/159hk/270137312-bitstamp-incident-report-2-20-15.pdf.html reupload to a 'free online document hosting tool'

15:33:28 mircea_popescu: bwhaahah.

15:33:47 mircea_popescu: mind publishing the plaintext somewhere, say on your blog ? the turd is uselessly opaque, and for instance google doesn'ty know it

15:33:53 mircea_popescu: google should know it.

15:34:07 mats: gonna wait for BingoBoingo to wake up and get to it if you don't mind, i don't have a blog

15:34:37 mircea_popescu: aite.

15:34:46 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181432 << so it doesn't pay NOT to shoot at police.

15:34:46 assbot: Logged on 30-06-2015 01:55:29; decimation: "Authorities have warned from the start that the pair of fugitives might get their hands on guns. Matt did. And it may have been his undoing at that moment. Matt didn't shoot, but he also didn't comply with officers' order, so they opened fire."

15:34:58 mircea_popescu: just like it doesn't pay to NOT murder the chick you just raped.

15:35:15 mircea_popescu: just like on and on. the stupidity of us law enforcement is ever more fantastic.

15:35:54 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181438 << no, it was obvious.

15:35:54 assbot: Logged on 30-06-2015 02:32:10; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: in case this was not clear, it is now possible for the first time to carry out FULLY DETERMINISTIC tests of therealbitcoin (memory consumption, etc) by denying a node a net connection and syncing from disk using 'eatblock'.

15:37:23 jurov: !mpif

15:37:24 assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021438 B (Total: 425.93 B). Delta: -0.03 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000207 BTC [+]

15:37:31 jurov: !t m f.mpif

15:37:31 assbot: Some are born to endless night.

15:37:31 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181467 << o yeah.

15:37:31 assbot: Logged on 30-06-2015 02:52:19; asciilifeform: it is now also possible to elementarily ferret out certain kinds of leaks - e.g., does importing the same bastard block ten thousand times result in an increase in ram footprint ? if so, we have leak

15:37:56 mircea_popescu: jurov did not trade o.O

15:38:23 jurov: in fact it did, but outside the book

15:38:34 mircea_popescu: o.O

15:38:50 jurov: ofc, report upcoming

15:42:05 mircea_popescu: cool

15:47:40 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181511 << there's a fascination with precarity i suspect the culprit here. to illustrate hwat i mean, suppose we take the island of hawaii cca 1815. at this point, the indigent savages are going about naked doing their indigent savagery, which does not much include murdering each other, and pointedly no writing or so on.

15:47:40 assbot: Logged on 30-06-2015 03:33:43; asciilifeform: you can't even win 'underhanded c contest' with them. they're ~screamingly~ bad ideas.

15:48:18 mircea_popescu: we introduce to these people the practice and contest of yachting. this is hard work, in that you have to make a yacht, and then sail it.

15:48:41 mircea_popescu: some of the healty, sane boys will put a lot of work into it, and get good enough to compete with us.

15:49:11 mircea_popescu: some of the anal children will instead make a "different" version of yachthing, which will consist of, for instance, birling.

15:49:56 mircea_popescu: why ? because intelligence and ambition are unrelated, and the ambitiously ungifted have absolutely no incentive in recognizing their shortcoming. it's not that it's cheaper to pretend. it's that literally no other alternative is present.

15:50:21 mircea_popescu: and so... they "are crypto entusiasts" and "You can go much stronger than that" and so on.

15:50:47 mircea_popescu: all the avatars of orphaned boyhood, kids who grow up without a father have no idea what games to play are there.

15:52:39 mircea_popescu: but they also don't have a retroactive abortion mechanism (not that they aren't trying, look at any ghetto ever).

15:55:09 mod6: lol birling

15:56:52 mircea_popescu: it's a thing.

15:58:31 mircea_popescu: anyway, the broadly fraudulent proposition that "you can make yourself better through X Y Z" be they hard work or prayer or anything else fundamentally exists as a direly needed social control mechanism. because the social cost of the ambitiously ungifted is plainly immense, societies have universally and often independently constructed this method to deal with the afflicted.

15:59:22 mircea_popescu: now, it existed as a cleaner, more useful thing before being coopted for this purpose, of course. much like anything else that's now being used to make large population densities possible was a lot nicer before being shat on

16:01:46 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181539 << not anymore than putin'd buy greece.

16:01:46 assbot: Logged on 30-06-2015 04:05:21; asciilifeform: if kim jong un had balls, perhaps he'd buy it.

16:01:51 mircea_popescu: who buys old whores and for what purpose ?

16:06:16 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181585 << there is something in the entire "cutting off nose to spite your own face" thing. absent this, the pissant has no incentive to uinderstand it is a tiny spec, and may even pretend itself equal to every other asshole out there.

16:06:16 assbot: Logged on 30-06-2015 04:41:25; asciilifeform: hard to picture a sorrier bunch of bitter schmucks, eagerly taking it up the arse from history's biggest and most obscene communist mega-empire (usg) to spite their little piss-ant one

16:08:00 mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2015/06/pressure-in-the-united-states-mounts-to-ban-symbols-of-rebellion-against-federal-government/#comment-29482 << can't tell if serious...

16:08:01 assbot: Pressure in the United States Mounts to Ban Symbols of Rebellion Against Federal Government | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1LV0ePi )

16:08:53 mircea_popescu: "The legislative act exempted pensions from all measures, with initial plans to open some bank branches on Wednesday and full pensions being paid out. " << dude, fuck this shit. since when can there be exceptions ?

16:09:42 mircea_popescu: "The temporary prohibition is imposed in accordance with Article 20 of the Regulation (EU) No 236/2012 of the European Parliament and of the Council of 14 March 2012 on short selling and certain aspects of credit default swaps (OJ L 86/1, 2012)." << riiight.

16:10:25 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181605 << more than twitter! IT COULD BUY RUSSIA!!1

16:10:25 assbot: Logged on 30-06-2015 05:05:52; decimation: lol http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-06-30/uber-bonds-term-sheet-reveals-470-million-in-operating-losses < related

16:10:28 mircea_popescu: idiots.

16:12:01 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181635 << pretty good dilemma. too bad it is purely logical which means it has nothing to do with the electoral process.

16:12:01 assbot: Logged on 30-06-2015 05:34:04; decimation: which defeats the point of asking individuals to make a decision for the group

16:13:42 mircea_popescu: He admitted that it would be difficult to collect the money from the Kentucky man.

16:13:43 mircea_popescu: ?Just because I get a judgement, it?s a piece of paper?I can try to put a lien on his house, take his car, but he has various homestead exemptions,? he added, citing a law in Kentucky and elsewhere that exists to protect homeowners with deceased spouses who owe money to creditors.

16:13:45 mircea_popescu: heh.

16:14:46 mircea_popescu: creditor owed can not bother the debtor. meanwhile usg can go burn down his house for no reason.

16:17:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15850 @ 0.00051312 = 8.133 BTC [+] {2}

16:18:29 mircea_popescu: "These aren't words that an American or a European politician can utter in public, and perhaps not even whisper to their significant other while lying in bed, because the American eavesdroppers might overhear them, and then the politician in question would get the Dominique Strauss-Kahn treatment"

16:18:37 mircea_popescu: heh.

16:23:07 mircea_popescu: anyway, as usual for orlov : the intro is right : yes, the average expenditure average us citizen can expect to make reasonably is ~1 dollar a day. yes things are going the way of http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-battlefield-of-the-future/#selection-137.333-137.381

16:23:08 assbot: The battlefield of the future on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LV2nud )

16:23:14 mircea_popescu: aka, "Pork bellies go for ~$1 per pound, and so do you".

16:23:40 mircea_popescu: and so no, there's no serious question that the future of the us is anything else or anything different from the africa which it has for so long aimed to join.

16:24:20 mircea_popescu: nevertheless, the proposition that greece is a democracy is beyond laughable, and in general he takes a completely nonsequitur turn straight into nonsense midway.

16:24:45 punkman: more like derpocracy

16:26:59 mircea_popescu: sorta like italians but the chicks have bigger asses.

16:27:17 mircea_popescu: otherwise, same tv-driven rank nonsense & feelings.

16:38:09 mircea_popescu: !gettrust Jautenim

16:38:12 assbot: Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user Jautenim: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=mircea_popescu&to=Jautenim | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/Jautenim/

16:38:34 mircea_popescu: aok than

16:39:10 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181766 << not worth a thousand words eh ?

16:39:10 assbot: Logged on 30-06-2015 15:45:52; assbot: Logged on 28-06-2015 07:53:07; cazalla: ben_vulpes, ay yo charts don't be earning no s.qntr shares CC: pete_dushenski

16:39:47 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181774 << where the fuck doies cisco have money from ? they've made losses about on par with uber

16:39:47 assbot: Logged on 30-06-2015 15:57:34; pete_dushenski: "Cisco Systems Inc (CSCO.O) said on Tuesday it would buy OpenDNS, a privately held cloud-based security company, for $635 million in cash and equity awards to beef up its security business." << might as well consolidate the crown corps, save on letterhead.

16:39:54 mircea_popescu: o wait... same place uber gets it right ?

16:40:08 mircea_popescu: "we want a db of everyone's travels, what is this bs where people can get a cab in peace"

16:40:41 mircea_popescu: fucktards already. i'll use uber just after i go to work for a transvestite brothel in bang gook.

16:42:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37470 @ 0.00051412 = 19.2641 BTC [+] {2}

16:42:42 mircea_popescu: woot!

16:43:30 mircea_popescu: !up joshbuddy

16:46:00 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181835 << that's really not the best idea. make it a hammoc, something.

16:46:00 assbot: Logged on 30-06-2015 16:23:50; ben_vulpes: yeah some cosleeping to begin with

16:47:35 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181868 << yes he is. i just checked above.

16:47:35 assbot: Logged on 30-06-2015 17:59:00; mod6: ah, i don't think you're in assbot's L2. Sorry if I wasted your time. Just send the patch to me: modsix@gmail.com

16:48:02 mircea_popescu: jurov needs to stop keyboard-fu-ing eulora and fix the list!11eleventy.

16:49:40 jurov: !gettrust assbot jautenim

16:49:41 assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user jautenim: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=jautenim | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/jautenim/

16:54:09 pete_dushenski: !up ascii_field

16:54:14 pete_dushenski: howdy howdy

16:54:32 mircea_popescu: Jautenim voice yourself plox.

16:54:41 Jautenim: worth noting that I used a subkey

16:54:49 Jautenim: not the primary one

16:54:54 mircea_popescu: that'd be it.

16:55:19 jurov: Jautenim: try resending it

16:55:37 Jautenim: damn

16:55:43 Jautenim: it is locked away in the fuhrerbunker

16:55:49 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1182774 << ty jurov!

16:55:49 assbot: Logged on 01-07-2015 14:52:26; jurov: asciilifeform: limit raised to 64M (allows for ~ 50M attachments)

16:56:19 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1182882 << based on 2nd comment, i'm going to say he's a troll

16:56:19 assbot: Logged on 01-07-2015 16:08:00; mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2015/06/pressure-in-the-united-states-mounts-to-ban-symbols-of-rebellion-against-federal-government/#comment-29482 << can't tell if serious...

16:56:33 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1182780 << my broadcast will be out tonight, wanted to include the last experiment in it

16:56:33 assbot: Logged on 01-07-2015 14:58:12; scoopbot_revived: Eulora mini update, July 1st http://fraudsters.com/2015/eulora-mini-update-july-1st/

16:56:47 pete_dushenski: the 'Keep the symbol in government forever.' bit it too rich to be real.

16:57:08 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1182771 << actually rms was 'for convenience' from day 1, when he abandoned the lispmachine

16:57:08 assbot: Logged on 01-07-2015 14:49:54; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-06-2015#1181240 << the one thing left loose is that AFTER such, rms is not saying, to me or to anyone, "hey, drepper moved to the dark side, glibc was forked". the last thing you'd expect rms to be indicted for would be an inclination to "make things work" and fold for convenience rather than stand for principle. nevertheless...

16:57:51 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1182803 << NO! for fuxxsake, read it. it DOES NOT IMPLEMENT CRYPTO ROUTINES, rides on top of existing lib (e.g., openssl)

16:57:51 assbot: Logged on 01-07-2015 15:06:32; decimation: no I bring up the do{stuff} while(0) because it's in amazon's new openssl 'replacement'

16:57:57 mircea_popescu: i'll tell you im getting plenty sick of this entire "everything around is a bug's nest"

16:57:58 ascii_field: media lied, as is sop

16:58:06 mircea_popescu: i wasn't born a bug and how the fuck did i end up here ?!

16:58:13 ascii_field: bzzzzpsshss

16:58:51 mircea_popescu: wait, amazon is replacing shit by vacu-packing it in convenient, easy sized, value packs ?

16:58:53 mircea_popescu: herp.

16:59:02 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1182832 << run moar winblowz!!

16:59:02 assbot: Logged on 01-07-2015 15:28:43; mats: "One of these, UPE_application_form.doc, contained obfuscated malicious VBA script. When opened, this script ran automatically and pulled down a malicious file from IP address, thereby compromising [Kodric's] machine."

16:59:51 mircea_popescu: how does this shit even work ? can their word editor open net connections !?

16:59:55 mircea_popescu: what is it, emacs ?

16:59:56 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1182852 << did this. posted as of this morning to ml.

16:59:56 assbot: Logged on 01-07-2015 15:35:54; assbot: Logged on 30-06-2015 02:32:10; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: in case this was not clear, it is now possible for the first time to carry out FULLY DETERMINISTIC tests of therealbitcoin (memory consumption, etc) by denying a node a net connection and syncing from disk using 'eatblock'.

17:00:21 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1182068 << yeah i know.

17:00:21 assbot: Logged on 30-06-2015 21:48:04; shinohai: There is a slight spelling error in this document: http://thebitcoin.foundation/declaration.txt

17:00:23 kakobrekla: that was Nejces brother computer: "IT security, enterprise servers/storage. IT wizard @ Bitstamp" source: https://twitter.com/ilukeberry

17:00:26 assbot: Luka Kodrič (@ilukeberry) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1f1B47o )

17:00:26 mircea_popescu: !s "i can't spell"

17:00:27 assbot: 4 results for '"i can't spell"' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=%22i+can%27t+spell%22

17:01:01 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla loller

17:01:30 mats: and he still has responsibilities after losing bidness 18,000 BTC and 650k+ USD

17:01:38 mats: what an organization

17:02:18 mircea_popescu: that's ok, they'll make it back OUT OF BEING LEGAL AND COMPLIANT!!11

17:02:24 mircea_popescu: nuts.

17:02:27 mats: smells of inside job if i ever sniffed one

17:02:55 jurov: And God spake unto them: "Go forth and regulate".

17:03:10 chetty: careful what you sniff

17:03:33 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1182954 << of course it can !

17:03:33 assbot: Logged on 01-07-2015 16:59:51; mircea_popescu: how does this shit even work ? can their word editor open net connections !?

17:03:57 mircea_popescu: who wants to run an editor that can open the net ?

17:04:04 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1182970 << misread, with last line, as 'go forth and sniff glue'

17:04:04 assbot: Logged on 01-07-2015 17:02:55; jurov: And God spake unto them: "Go forth and regulate".

17:04:12 mircea_popescu: i really don't get this "put all the things in all the things" nonsense.

17:04:32 mircea_popescu: do these people's heads come with feet in them ?

17:04:41 mircea_popescu: "oh you know, if your head needs to take a walk - now it can!"

17:05:18 pete_dushenski: "why have a symphony when you can have a one-man-band !"

17:05:32 jurov: and keep talking to google time servers

17:05:35 pete_dushenski: "it's moar efficient!"

17:06:10 mircea_popescu: "i got a new girlfriend - she came with a built in boyfriend!"

17:06:11 mats: another goxxing is just a matter of time at this point

17:06:35 mats: everybody in the org using windows, wtf

17:06:54 mircea_popescu: mats so they're practically like the US DoD.

17:08:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38650 @ 0.00051466 = 19.8916 BTC [+]

17:09:23 mats: it shocks the mind that such people are trusted with anything

17:09:28 mircea_popescu: ascii_field : LoadBlockIndex(): hashBestChain=00000000000000001160 height=362808 << confirmed. my chain is fine, delay and difficulties to date due to operator error.

17:09:49 mircea_popescu: the seeder is coming back online momentarily. for my own curiosity, re-start the syncing and compare the two sets you get.

17:09:51 ascii_field: ahahahaha

17:09:55 mats: and on the subject of shock... i still can't get over the fact that Stuxnet happened

17:09:56 ascii_field: say when

17:10:03 jurov: mats actually show me one person that is trusted with $$$ or lives and does *not* use windows

17:10:12 jurov: we need some role models here

17:10:23 mats: chinese, afaik

17:10:38 jurov: that's not one person

17:10:59 mircea_popescu: i've last used windows xp a decade ago to play might and magic.

17:11:14 mircea_popescu: meanwhile they figured out how to make the old games run in emulator.

17:12:15 jurov: my own fkn brother simlates megawatts of energy and kilotons of overheated steam using... excel.

17:12:32 jurov: tried ooo, rejected in disgust

17:12:33 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: connected, stalled

17:12:48 mircea_popescu: ascii_field o.O

17:12:50 jurov: and programming? why?

17:12:53 mircea_popescu: you have got to be kidding me.

17:13:11 ascii_field: same pattern as before

17:13:17 mircea_popescu: this is ridiculous.

17:13:20 ascii_field: short burst, followed by long period of wtf

17:13:33 mircea_popescu: ok so last time there was a bona fide index/db problem, which made it be slow and painful.

17:13:40 mats: ooo hasn't been patched in years

17:13:42 mircea_popescu: but atm it's zipping around doing 2mbps

17:13:50 mats: afaik

17:14:22 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: all i can say is that i'm seeing ~exactly~ same pattern as before

17:14:30 ascii_field: socket open, nothing moves

17:14:44 mircea_popescu: so... it wasn't that then ?!

17:14:47 *: mircea_popescu baffled.

17:14:49 ascii_field: evidently not.

17:15:15 jurov: tried to break in gdb?

17:15:29 mircea_popescu: i mean, there were occasional spikes in load in the previous incarnation, and i figured those may be it. but now it's smooth as butter.

17:15:32 ascii_field: jurov: try to make sense of any of it in gdb

17:15:49 mircea_popescu: jurov you ever tried that nm lol.

17:15:51 kakobrekla: anyone saved that buttstamp doc, scribd removed it

17:16:20 jurov: http://www.docdroid.net/159hk/270137312-bitstamp-incident-report-2-20-15.pdf.html

17:16:21 assbot: 270137312-Bitstamp-Incident-Report-2-20-15.pdf - DocDroid ... ( http://bit.ly/1f1E6bX )

17:16:22 mircea_popescu: fucking hate scribd bs

17:16:40 kakobrekla: thanks jurov

17:16:44 mircea_popescu: which hate has apparently saved a bit of internet comedy from extinction.

17:17:41 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: about 5 sec burst of data, followed by 40-infinity sec. of silence.

17:18:19 mircea_popescu: ascii_field i can at this point guarantee to you it is not due to this machine.

17:18:52 mircea_popescu: which just finished syncing, btw.

17:18:53 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: pretty sure we are being fucked with downstream.

17:19:08 mircea_popescu: is it possible your isp is being fucktarded ?

17:19:17 mircea_popescu: like doesn't want you gaming or whatever the nutty fuck ?

17:19:21 ascii_field: i'm sitting on a different, industrial isp, 100km away from home

17:19:42 ascii_field: and i've never had the slightest problem of the kind suggested above, with either

17:19:49 *: ascii_field pays serious coin for bandwidth

17:20:00 mircea_popescu: nuts.

17:20:09 kakobrekla: another mirror if that one gets taken down http://pdfsr.com/pdf/270137312-bitstamp-incident-report-2-20-15.pdf

17:20:10 assbot: 270137312-Bitstamp-Incident-Report-2-20-15.pdf - PdfSR.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1f1EN4O )

17:20:27 kakobrekla: hm

17:20:33 ascii_field: kakobrekla: 'required adobe flash player'

17:20:36 kakobrekla: i guess i can just put it on ba files server

17:21:24 mircea_popescu: maybe bb or someone de-pdfs it already

17:22:47 mircea_popescu: aaand in other news, http://36.media.tumblr.com/53844fb220f5d0917b9c844907c9f2f4/tumblr_nh26kcSHGN1ti99ofo1_1280.jpg

17:22:49 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1f1FnQb )

17:23:42 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1182121 << aahhahaha check this out alfie! dept of propaganda thinks it's lost.

17:23:42 assbot: Logged on 30-06-2015 22:40:30; shinohai: hue, motherboard: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/bitcoin-is-unsustainable?trk_source=homepage-lede

17:24:06 mircea_popescu: go sustain yourselves on cocks, nameless "journalists".

17:24:10 punkman: http://www.businessinsider.com/david-cameron-encryption-back-doors-iphone-whatsapp-2015-7

17:24:11 assbot: David Cameron says he wants back doors in encyption products - Business Insider ... ( http://bit.ly/1f1FEm3 )

17:24:30 punkman: "We have always been able, on the authority of the home secretary, to sign a warrant and intercept a phone call, a mobile phone call or other media communications, but the question we must ask ourselves is whether, as technology develops, we are content to leave a safe space"

17:24:44 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

17:24:49 punkman: "for terrorists to communicate with each other."

17:24:50 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: what is peculiar about this piece? reads like the same old crap

17:25:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20300 @ 0.00051466 = 10.4476 BTC [+]

17:25:24 mircea_popescu: nah, they had the "unsustainable" crapola on the back burner for a coupla years, as they were hoping they may actually elbow themselves into relevancy all through 2013-14

17:25:34 mircea_popescu: we're moving back to 2011-2012 it would seem.

17:25:51 ascii_field: and as someone pointed out in last night's thread, let's compute the energy lost by failing to boil visa, mastercard execs into biodiesel

17:26:09 mircea_popescu: the meta point is of interest here.

17:26:16 mircea_popescu: they've realligned.

17:26:19 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: your node continues to emit bursts

17:26:52 mircea_popescu: as it is i have nfi what to do about it.

17:27:12 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: put copy of same in another country, i'll compare.

17:27:25 mircea_popescu: alrighty.

17:28:21 mircea_popescu: it'll be a few days to get everything settled out.

17:29:11 ascii_field: ...and now it's rolling

17:29:30 *: ascii_field wonders if it was transmitting into a philippino buffer

17:29:34 ascii_field: which had to fill

17:30:32 mircea_popescu: oh ?

17:31:08 ascii_field: aha

17:31:32 ascii_field: 39000+

17:32:01 ascii_field: 45000+

17:32:04 ascii_field: ...and counting

17:32:20 mircea_popescu: that sounds morel ike it.

17:33:35 decimation: ascii_field: shit, you are right, the amazon s2d is just a pretty TLS wrapper around the openssl crypto turd

17:33:43 decimation: s2n even

17:33:45 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1182162 << all clients that sync after a certain blkxxxx file was filled will get the exact same file (different from any of the ones of the peers they sync from). all clients that sync durin will get different ones

17:33:45 assbot: Logged on 01-07-2015 00:25:18; mod6: i have 3 full-sync'd chains from between January and March, all have the same blk0001.dat hash: sha256sum blk0001.dat \ 7aac5826b91b4f87a2e9534e0e38e8d64ed21aff8a4eb8ff8dde4e726e67fe1a blk0001.dat

17:33:48 decimation: wtf is the point

17:34:02 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: iirc i explained this last night

17:34:06 mircea_popescu: ah ok.

17:34:16 ascii_field: (thing stows blocks in real time, never erases. see src)

17:34:30 mircea_popescu: i was doing like 5 things at once past coupla days and so ended up leaving all sorts of things unexplained fully.

17:34:51 *: ascii_field also.

17:34:56 decimation: mircea_popescu: bottom line, satoshi stores a binary blob of the blockchain AND also the bdb database

17:35:14 decimation: in theory, if orphans are removed, we should yeild the same blockchain turds

17:35:19 mircea_popescu: decimation well, it's so to speak "unstrained" if you're there, and "strained" if you hear about it later.

17:35:26 mircea_popescu: nah cause also ordering issues

17:35:33 ascii_field: mno

17:35:39 decimation: blocks are stored in order

17:35:40 ascii_field: not in the blkxxxx

17:35:45 ascii_field: aha in order

17:36:10 decimation: although it seems there might be disagreement between nodes in later blkxxxx.dat files

17:36:11 mircea_popescu: i think some implementations end up with different gaps between them or something.

17:36:30 mircea_popescu: something like that

17:37:07 Jautenim: jurov nope

17:37:32 Jautenim: i'm sending a blank email with these three attachments: http://dpaste.com/1YPE04M http://dpaste.com/2XV9P7V http://dpaste.com/2DDHFF4

17:37:33 assbot: dpaste: 1YPE04M: something.txt ... ( http://bit.ly/1f1Ifwh )

17:37:34 assbot: dpaste: 2XV9P7V: jautenim_openssl_docs_snip.patch ... ( http://bit.ly/1f1IebW )

17:37:35 assbot: dpaste: 2DDHFF4: jautenim_openssl_docs_snip.patch.sig ... ( http://bit.ly/1f1Ifwl )

17:37:54 decimation: ascii_field: one wonders why bezos didn't order the creation of his own rsa code

17:38:56 mircea_popescu: i am willing to take any odds on "he doesn't know this exists"

17:39:09 ascii_field: Jautenim: we already have the install_sw thing - see http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000102.html

17:39:10 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1f1IuaO )

17:39:27 mircea_popescu: from experience, most people's understanding of cryptography is comensurate with your average 1700s peasants' understanding of contraception.

17:39:50 ascii_field: l0l!

17:40:39 Jautenim: gah, I didn't check the new stator.sh

17:40:44 Jautenim: allrighto

17:40:49 decimation: yeah that seems about right

17:41:44 decimation: mircea_popescu: but seemingly everyone is a "crypto enthusiast" today.

17:41:58 mircea_popescu: only here.

17:43:07 jurov: Jautenim: problem was here, all three came through

17:43:09 mircea_popescu: anyway, it is interesting to point out that the first 2 gb blockindes fit a whopping 188k blocks

17:43:17 mircea_popescu: these days they're still fitting 3-5k blocks.

17:43:37 mircea_popescu: soon it will be a new 2gb file each two weeks.

17:44:13 ascii_field: aha, that's about right for 10min, 1MB blocks

17:44:17 ascii_field: (upper limit)

17:44:40 decimation: you know with these 'blockchain bitrates' I would be concerned about bitrot on disks

17:44:45 decimation: not like pogos have ecc

17:44:57 ascii_field: decimation: i'm pretty certain that i experienced a bitflip last night

17:45:15 decimation: actually, this is an excellent case for putting ecc in bitcoin

17:45:28 ascii_field: decimation: ecc cannot be implemented in software

17:45:32 decimation: or at least, in the disk-storage gismo

17:45:34 decimation: why not

17:45:38 ascii_field: (to an extent, sure, but ~any bit~ can flip)

17:45:45 ascii_field: including arbitrary code bit

17:46:04 decimation: yeah, but I don't give a shit if a pogo's code bit flips, probably will crash

17:46:10 ascii_field: mno

17:46:18 ascii_field: this is very much a mistake

17:46:25 decimation: I do give a shit if none of the pogos have a coherent record of the blocks

17:46:53 mircea_popescu: decimation very much so.

17:46:53 mircea_popescu: there are many considerations here. for instance, as an exercise to the trainee : calculate the minimum storage space required to GUARANTEE bit=wise identity over X bytes of information.

17:47:11 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: that one's easy - infinity

17:47:25 decimation: in noisy channels there are no guarantees

17:47:30 ascii_field: ^

17:47:57 mircea_popescu: obviously, for t = infinity the size -> infinity.

17:47:57 mircea_popescu: wait, wut ?!

17:48:00 ascii_field: best one can hope for is to get it an order of magnitude below 'asteroid hits your computer' probability

17:48:23 decimation: ascii_field: the problem: try finding reliable statistics on your consumer grade hard drives

17:48:35 mircea_popescu: myeah.

17:48:51 mircea_popescu: because we live in the best possible world built on top of !!!science!!! so nothing is ever sold by any sort of spec.

17:48:55 ascii_field: blockchain really belongs on combo of mask and antifuse rom

17:49:02 ascii_field: afaik neither is manufactured today

17:49:04 ascii_field: i tried to buy some

17:49:28 ascii_field: (mask rom for known blocks from the past, antifuse for future ones)

17:49:52 ascii_field: both are immune to anything short of room-melting level of radiation

17:50:32 ascii_field: (on the former, no way to flip a bit - physically - at all; on the latter - need high current and moderately high voltage)

17:50:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36489 @ 0.00051236 = 18.6955 BTC [-]

17:52:41 decimation: as for mechanical drives the best info I can find is here https://www.backblaze.com/blog/best-hard-drive/

17:52:43 assbot: The Ultimate Hard Drive Test: What Hard Drive is Best? ... ( http://bit.ly/1f1MQ1M )

17:53:21 mircea_popescu: ascii_field still normal ?

17:53:26 ascii_field: bursts

17:53:35 mircea_popescu: it reverted to bursts ?!

17:53:39 ascii_field: 130799

17:53:41 ascii_field: aha

17:53:41 Jautenim: screw this -.- http://i.imgur.com/743Om34.png

17:53:42 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1f1N1Kp )

17:53:43 Jautenim: sorry

17:54:04 mircea_popescu: Jautenim lol wut is that.

17:54:20 ascii_field: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/thread.html << this, apparently

17:54:21 assbot: The BTC-dev July 2015 Archive by thread ... ( http://bit.ly/1f1NbBn )

17:54:53 mircea_popescu: ascii_field nuts. i tell you ... the load is < .2 and has not peaked above 1 (this is on 8 cpu machine). there is nothing deferred or anthing suspicious in the logs. the eth card is doing fine. two dozen connections, routinely hitting 1mbps. etc.

17:55:09 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: downstream.

17:55:11 ascii_field: must be.

17:55:15 mircea_popescu: it must.

17:55:28 ascii_field: this is gonna be a problem

17:55:32 mircea_popescu: it might.

17:55:42 ascii_field: i suspect we have come to a 'chinese' point

17:55:51 mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field

17:55:53 jurov: try to run it in ssh tunnel?

17:55:53 mircea_popescu: howssat ?

17:56:01 ascii_field: where the buggers use what they have - control over backbones - to annoy people

17:56:10 ascii_field: ssh tunnel is what i suggested earlier aha

17:56:16 ascii_field: but not a long-term solution to anything

17:56:25 *: ascii_field observes 5 sec. or so burst

17:56:33 mircea_popescu: a) that, b) what would it do ?

17:56:44 decimation: ascii_field: it could also be just misconfigured routers

17:56:48 decimation: "buffer bloat"

17:56:50 mircea_popescu: we know we can actually pass data between each other. what we wish to find out is what causes this behaviour and who to kill.

17:57:08 mircea_popescu: decimation yes, but this server would not stand if that were the case.

17:57:22 jurov: if ssh works fine, you'd confirm that someone is doing packet inspection

17:57:29 ascii_field: ^

17:57:37 mircea_popescu: i guess.

17:57:45 mircea_popescu: ascii_field whadda ya need ?

17:57:47 decimation: if you are using a standard linux distro, it's well known that older kernels had buffer bloat/tcp tuning issues

17:57:49 ascii_field: except, who exactly needed to inspect

17:57:54 ascii_field: mircea_popescu announced the box ip publicly

17:58:00 mircea_popescu: decimation recent centos tho.

17:58:07 ascii_field: after that, red phone in derpistan dept. of derp rang

17:58:08 decimation: has ancient kernel

17:58:31 decimation: I have experienced buffer bloat issues using a centos router

17:58:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28300 @ 0.00051466 = 14.5649 BTC [+]

17:58:46 ascii_field: i'm gonna guess the entire link between anywhere i can go without taking a plane, and mircea_popescu's box, is burpy on account of packets hitting tape before they get to me

17:58:55 jurov: well, that would show in netstat output?

17:59:01 jurov: in SendQ column

17:59:12 decimation: good point, probably work

17:59:17 decimation: probably would show I mean

18:01:15 ascii_field: 'In addition, we have paid out approximately $250,000 to programmers hired to rebuild and improve our platform; paid approximately $250,000 (and counting) to the Stroz Friedberg team; and at least $150,000 more for various security reviews, and legal and financial advice. These out of pocket costs are continuing to accrue.'

18:01:18 ascii_field: ^ l0l!!!

18:01:38 ascii_field: 'In addition, to prevent future capital losses of this kind, we have contracted with a vendor to provide “multi-sig” technology to better protect our hot wallet (this particular transfer could not have happened today) and hired a skilled technology company, Xapo, to assist in managing our cold wallet.'

18:01:41 ascii_field: ^ ahahahahahaha

18:02:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114900 @ 0.00051525 = 59.2022 BTC [+] {3}

18:03:37 jurov: ya. no word about executives' filthy laptops.

18:03:50 ascii_field: 'The gambit for this phishing attack was to offer Mr Merlak free

18:03:50 ascii_field: tickets to Punk Rock Holiday 2015. (Merlak is keen on punk rock and has played in a band.)'

18:04:01 decimation: or why those filthy laptops can come anywhere near their 'hot wallet key'

18:06:05 decimation: ascii_field: note the statistics from backblaze don't show the probability of single bit errors (undetected by the drive)

18:06:34 ascii_field: decimation: dram bitflips are far more interesting

18:06:39 ascii_field: because you can't get 'raid' for dram

18:06:48 ascii_field: whereas nobody serious gives a fuck re: disks

18:07:02 decimation: yeah, but we have jungle hardware, can't get ecc dram

18:07:10 ascii_field: because P(bit-n-disk0 + bit-n-disk1) flip ~= 0

18:07:28 decimation: right, but pogo class machine only has one drive

18:07:31 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: connects, disconnects, without transfer of anything

18:07:35 ascii_field: for ~10min now

18:07:38 mircea_popescu: "the stroz friedberg team" ? wtfd is that.

18:07:52 ascii_field: decimation: pogo is to have strength in numbers

18:08:06 decimation: yeah, but if each pawn is too week to carry weapon, have nothing

18:08:09 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: some 'cyber sek000r1ty!11!! firm'

18:08:14 mircea_popescu: ridiculous.

18:08:34 mircea_popescu: so they spent 250k (abnd counting) so as to lose 4mn off a schmuck's home connection ?

18:09:02 mircea_popescu: whatever, owners' / investors' problem.

18:09:46 mircea_popescu: <decimation> or why those filthy laptops can come anywhere near their 'hot wallet key' << this is easy enough to answer, if you think about it. and if you don't... if you let history be your guide.

18:10:13 mircea_popescu: i'd withdraw anything i had in that shithole by now, had i not withdrawn it long before, had i had anything in there in the first place.

18:10:29 decimation: what's amusing is that nobody gets it right, or apparently even tries

18:10:35 decimation: imagine how bad fiat systems are

18:10:44 mircea_popescu: or at least, "no one you'd hear about on reddit"

18:11:04 mircea_popescu: because yes, the point of life is to preserve that most valuable delusion - that "nobody could have foreseen..."

18:11:07 decimation: well, as far as bitcoin exchanges are concerned

18:11:18 mircea_popescu: essentially the adult version of "but daddy, all the kids in class got this question wrong too!"

18:12:01 mircea_popescu: but to get back to jurov's more interesting thread

18:12:07 mircea_popescu: netstat wut ?

18:12:29 jurov: netstat -tnp

18:12:30 *: mircea_popescu is trying to bootstrap the public interest in the matter into getting a networking education for himself.

18:12:40 mircea_popescu: sudo ? or just plain ?

18:12:48 jurov: and it shows all open connections, with kernel buffers

18:12:51 jurov: usually sudo

18:13:17 decimation: yeah, find ascii's connection and see what the sendQ value is

18:13:36 jurov: with general conclusion that if SendQ buffer is empty then it's application fault

18:14:09 decimation: assuming that this is the last machine that touches it before it goes to your isp

18:14:10 jurov: otherwise either kernel stalls or pipe is congested(dropped packets, whatever)

18:14:49 mircea_popescu: stuff like 422816 k in the sendq

18:14:50 decimation: the stereotypical 'buffer bloat' problem is that you find packets become extremely lagged when there is heavy bandwidth use

18:15:05 mircea_popescu: but atm i don't even see stan's client connected.

18:16:03 mircea_popescu: <jurov> otherwise either kernel stalls or pipe is congested(dropped packets, whatever) << i thought this may well be it previously, as load was uncharacteristically high for this application. but solved that problem and apparently no improvement.

18:17:21 mircea_popescu: decimation i know, but this is a major server doing all sorts of other things. it could not stand for five minutes if that were the problem.

18:17:22 ascii_field: ... and rolling again

18:17:26 ascii_field: ... and then not

18:18:04 pete_dushenski: ;;later tell BingoBoingo qntsideration for ya! http://dpaste.com/0PSVYP8.txt

18:18:06 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1BZ7pWi )

18:18:06 gribble: The operation succeeded.

18:18:56 ascii_field: and nobody even read the mega-experiment from this morning yet, afaik

18:19:11 ascii_field: (result of the last 4 days)

18:19:30 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1182283 << aha there we go.

18:19:30 assbot: Logged on 01-07-2015 02:51:53; asciilifeform: if his blk** are ~original~ - as in, they were formed ~as the blocks happened~ - they can contain orphaned (in the traditional sense) blocks

18:19:47 mircea_popescu: i think they're called "stale"

18:19:53 mircea_popescu: ie, were but are no longer longest chain

18:20:04 pete_dushenski: ;;later tell cazalla and for uuuu! http://dpaste.com/3HH0TQE.txt

18:20:05 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1f1THrW )

18:20:05 gribble: The operation succeeded.

18:20:05 ascii_field: aha

18:20:05 mircea_popescu: different from the orphan, which is "block with no known connection to the hcain"

18:20:15 pete_dushenski: bbiab

18:20:16 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the latter we now call 'bastard'

18:20:33 mircea_popescu: alright. but the former's still stale rather than orphan

18:20:42 mircea_popescu: as it does have a daddy, just, daddy got married with a wanton slut

18:20:48 ascii_field: l0l aha

18:20:54 mircea_popescu: romaian would be "dezmostenit"

18:20:58 mircea_popescu: not sure english comprehends.

18:21:36 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the terminology 'orphan' is used in the source, hence why i referred to it

18:21:48 ascii_field: ('stale' is a better term, but does not appear in src)

18:22:02 mircea_popescu: aha. but anyway : yes all my blks are original in that sense, this bneing the whole point of the exercise.

18:22:27 mircea_popescu: (i also have strained variants, obviously - but of what interest are they)

18:23:06 ascii_field: another short burst

18:23:47 mircea_popescu: !up Eulorian

18:23:49 mircea_popescu: hey there.

18:24:10 mircea_popescu: ascii_field are the bursts mechanically the same ? like, all 500kb or w/e ?

18:24:26 ascii_field: no

18:24:29 ascii_field: varies

18:27:30 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1182356 << i could have sworn there's some weird padding in there

18:27:30 assbot: Logged on 01-07-2015 03:32:56; asciilifeform: iirc, it is [mainortestchainflag][length][blockdata] repeated again and again

18:27:34 mircea_popescu: usure ?

18:28:43 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

18:28:46 ascii_field: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=29424.msg370335#msg370335 << as pictured here

18:28:48 assbot: File formats -- blkindex.dat and blk0001.dat ... ( http://bit.ly/1f1Vm0F )

18:30:25 mircea_popescu: ascii_field eh. proceeding from the other direction : not only is the need for a bdb datastore directly indicative of allignment problems, but moreover its presence virtually guarantees them. so no, i don't think you can actually rely on "block after block" thing, but then again i can't be arsed to emacs a .dat

18:31:17 mircea_popescu: honestly the only sane arrangement would be either a) store each block as a file, or else b) store blocks in arbitrary sized files, each starting at offsed 1Mb * block_count

18:31:21 ascii_field: the bdb thing is for tx (and block-by-header) indexing

18:31:29 ascii_field: as so the thing doesn't end up running in O(N) time

18:31:45 ascii_field: 'each block as a file' strains filesystem

18:31:49 mircea_popescu: no fucking idea why it hasn't implemented a from the get go incidentally.

18:31:52 ascii_field: (and kills winblowz dead of course)

18:31:56 mircea_popescu: yeah but filesystem is who is supposed to deal with this.

18:31:59 mircea_popescu: NOT MY JOB OMFG

18:32:06 mircea_popescu: let the problem be solved once and solved well.

18:32:09 ascii_field: filesystems (other than reiser) don't like dir full of millions of turdz

18:32:17 mircea_popescu: so make it a dir tree.

18:32:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49923 @ 0.00051175 = 25.5481 BTC [-] {2}

18:32:26 ascii_field: it is easy to solve. just define custom fs for blockchain

18:32:29 ascii_field: we spoke of this ages ago

18:32:34 mircea_popescu: myeah.

18:32:38 ascii_field: let it have own block device.

18:32:43 mircea_popescu: yet another place where bitcoind and kernel merge.

18:32:59 mircea_popescu: because if you run bitcoin on that system, ALL the tradeoffs the kernel makes MUST be organised around its needs.

18:33:04 ascii_field: it is what i wanted to do in the mythical msdos port

18:33:22 mircea_popescu: maybe not msdos, but i think cp/m would actually suffice for everything involved.

18:33:37 ascii_field: (msdos, as we know, won't eat a +2G fs - but doesn't give a damn what you say to the disk controller. so roll your own.)

18:33:53 ascii_field: the only thing that even needs an os in the usual sense is the threading

18:34:16 ascii_field: and not, as naive might suppose, the tcp/ip !

18:34:25 decimation: you could make a dirtree

18:34:25 ascii_field: there are ~working~ tcp stacks for 'bare bios'

18:34:27 ascii_field: i have one here

18:34:28 mircea_popescu: in any case i regard the blkxxx scheme as a hare brained, buggy slow and stupid reimplementation of a filesystem in a kernel that's trying to be an app.

18:34:37 ascii_field: aha

18:34:39 decimation: I used one for 80806

18:34:42 decimation: 8086

18:34:49 decimation: called 'ka9q nos'

18:34:59 decimation: ran in dos

18:35:11 jurov: iirc there's vfat driver for ms-dos.. some 200k

18:35:18 ascii_field: fuck fat32

18:35:30 ascii_field: it's how we got the blkxxxx turd in the 1st place

18:35:34 ascii_field: with its 2g blobs

18:35:37 mircea_popescu: ahaha wait

18:35:42 mircea_popescu: THAT is how 2gb got picked ?

18:35:49 ascii_field: how did you think

18:35:53 decimation: I do agree that converting blkxxx to dirtree would be an improvement

18:35:54 *: mircea_popescu reels at the realisation it never occured to him before

18:36:08 mircea_popescu: i dunno dude, how the fuck should i know how people who use magic numbers pick the magic numbers to use./

18:36:15 ascii_field: because shitblowz

18:36:34 mircea_popescu: bitcoin is such a fucking insult.

18:36:42 ascii_field: sure is

18:36:44 ascii_field: i barf from it daily

18:36:50 ascii_field: every time i look at that thing.

18:37:06 ascii_field: my brain pulsates like it wants to blow chunks

18:37:34 decimation: oh, here's a c preprocessor macro to implement templates!!

18:37:47 *: decimation barfs

18:38:19 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1182371 << honestly, i don't think he likes you.

18:38:19 assbot: Logged on 01-07-2015 03:51:18; midnightmagic: asciilifeform: Congratulations on making simple interaction so expensive.

18:38:51 *: ascii_field amused re: how that fella appears always at certain... occasions

18:38:58 ascii_field: to express a very particular pov

18:39:11 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1182379 << different in what exact sense ? how is one wotless pleb different from another ?

18:39:11 assbot: Logged on 01-07-2015 04:03:57; asciilifeform: or different one.

18:40:42 ascii_field: muppet theatre has a box of masks, occasionally they rotate

18:42:04 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1182385 << i lolled, but "6/10 decent trolling but article is obviously rambling and unconvincing," ??

18:42:04 assbot: Logged on 01-07-2015 04:08:54; danielpbarron: https://twitter.com/fuckeveryword/status/616093901401686017

18:42:08 mircea_popescu: what is this, defense by epithet ?

18:42:26 mircea_popescu: "i'm fat and should work out but the science involved in mean so 6/10" ?

18:43:43 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1182390 << oh for crying out loud.

18:43:43 assbot: Logged on 01-07-2015 04:12:37; decimation: lolz http://blog.samaltman.com/energy < sam altman has a great new startup idea (YC certified): nuclear fusion

18:43:59 mircea_popescu: ascii_field i was promised rotation! WHAT IS THIS SCAM

18:44:11 ascii_field: l0l

18:44:27 mircea_popescu: will i live to be 90 and read all about "the very exciting technical development of 3d cinema", which apparently didn't fail convincingly enough the fiurst time jack warner trieds to beat television out of the amrket

18:44:32 ascii_field: muppeteer's hand sticky with spoodge, frog got glued on

18:44:33 mircea_popescu: and then "uber" and then "cold fusion

18:44:39 mircea_popescu: and then etc ?

18:44:41 mircea_popescu: it gets old.

18:45:29 ascii_field: in yr 2500 there will be folks selling 'forever live' pills

18:45:34 ascii_field: just as in year 500

18:45:36 ascii_field: and -500

18:45:42 mircea_popescu: fucking curse of an active intelligence : you don't, personalyl, get old. you just get to watch the entire world get very old very fast/

18:46:01 mircea_popescu: eventually you feel old just for being involved.

18:46:14 *: ascii_field felt pretty old decade ago already

18:46:58 mircea_popescu: i'm sitting here in the 80s romania laughing at 3d glasses. for fucks sake - FROSI, the communist german's youth magazine, sent me some very sturdy cardboard 3d glasses in one edition. was like 86 iirc.

18:47:14 ascii_field: my father laughed at 3d glasses in 1960

18:47:20 ascii_field: and his father in ww2

18:47:40 ascii_field: (issued to artillerists, reading oddball experimental maps)

18:47:46 trinque: yeah, but now they're called hololens, and you'll have to take out a credit card to purchase

18:48:00 ascii_field: and i have it on good authority that folks in the age where 'sherlock holmes' is set also laughed

18:48:07 mircea_popescu: wtf srsly, teh internets doesn't know about frosi ?

18:48:38 ascii_field: 'google' now sells a cardboard frame one can stuff a pNohe into, as 3d glasses.

18:49:04 ascii_field: cheap tricks don't really change

18:51:20 mircea_popescu: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/FR?SI ere we go.

18:51:21 assbot: FRÖSI – Wikipedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1f1ZHkl )

18:52:22 mircea_popescu: http://www.ddr-comics.de/froesi/index/8507a.jpg << actually this might have been the exact edition.

18:52:23 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1f1ZUnH )

18:54:29 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1182397 << what the motherfucking shit is this. "our years of experience in something we've not done at all are to be combined in the following manner - if we jump one inch each day we'll have an olympic record before the year is out"

18:54:29 assbot: Logged on 01-07-2015 04:14:20; decimation: and http://www.helionenergy.com/ < "By combining our years of experience in fusion, newly available electronics technologies, and a revolutionary design using cutting-edge physics, Helion is making a fusion engine 1,000 times smaller, over 500 times cheaper, and realizable 10 time faster than other projects."

18:54:32 mircea_popescu: what in the actual shit.

18:55:00 mircea_popescu: i could be back in school, listening to retarded 11yos describing their sexual experience in flamboyantly wrong detail.

18:55:12 trinque: they've lived on a planet orbiting a massive fusion reaction; what more do you want?

18:55:20 trinque: mircea_popescu: "peed in her butt"

18:55:25 mircea_popescu: i think my dinner had comparable fusion experience.

18:55:54 mircea_popescu: trinque no this was specifically that after summer vacation, guy told class agape this tall tale about the orgy he had going at his grandparent's rural house.

18:56:09 mircea_popescu: so then i asked him where's the little worm thing on the girl's snatch, upside or downside ?

18:56:10 trinque: lol

18:56:21 mircea_popescu: and the dude went like wtf am i on about, there's no such thing.

18:57:04 trinque: reminds me of a chick I remember in high school telling me that she had no idea her pussy had a hole in it until *way* later than a healthy human being should

18:57:09 trinque: like... early teens

18:57:18 ascii_field: 'on which end is the soldering iron hot'

18:57:20 mircea_popescu: "wut do you mean, i heard there's a little nubbin thing like a tip of a finger" "omfg get out of here 6/10 trolling"

18:57:32 mircea_popescu: then the recess was over an' i told the gals all about it. was a very lulzy week.

18:58:19 trinque: I guess this girl thought babies were shat... or something

18:58:38 mircea_popescu: it has happened...

18:58:42 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1182404 << don't forget to 3d print it.

18:58:42 assbot: Logged on 01-07-2015 04:15:12; trinque: ah man, I'll be able to bolt one of these to my emdrive and colonize mars

18:58:49 mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field

18:58:49 trinque: ofc

18:59:03 trinque: and turn the trip to mars into a reality tv show

18:59:21 mircea_popescu: where you put a bunch of dumb teens in a room and nobody fucks anyone.

18:59:28 mircea_popescu: muy reality.

18:59:29 ascii_field: financed with kyc/aml compliant kickstartgogo

18:59:41 mircea_popescu: to quote sammy l, "that's no reality i ever heard of. they speak english in reality ?"

19:00:38 ag3nt_zer0: trinque: hi there. were you able to read through that book? if so, what'd you think?

19:01:08 trinque: ag3nt_zer0: nah not finished yet; got distracted

19:01:16 trinque: but I'm sure I'll get to it

19:01:21 ag3nt_zer0: cool

19:02:39 mod6: <+ascii_field> i barf from it daily << lol

19:02:54 mircea_popescu: poor mod6 lol.

19:03:03 mircea_popescu: he knows.

19:03:09 ag3nt_zer0: any hikers in here? just did 5 days backpacking in yosemite... unbelievable! - highly recommended

19:03:21 trinque: ag3nt_zer0: yeah, I do a bit of that around oregon

19:03:23 mircea_popescu: ag3nt_zer0 some p[eople in portland were gazing at the nude biker chiks

19:03:28 trinque: heh!

19:04:14 trinque: lets just make the tits-out thing year-round

19:04:46 mircea_popescu: it frosts there neh ?

19:04:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 129350 @ 0.00051728 = 66.9102 BTC [+] {2}

19:05:10 mircea_popescu: ANI is generally dependent on a warm climate and good central heating.

19:05:20 mircea_popescu: but outdoors...

19:05:36 trinque: sure, I'll accept inside-only

19:05:45 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1182464 << got some magnolias etc, same feeling.

19:05:45 assbot: Logged on 01-07-2015 04:31:56; cazalla: tfw buying a deciduous tree in the winter and feel like i bought a stick for $20 lol (Hovenia dulcis if anyone cares as much)

19:05:57 trinque: notable how happy everyone seems in town when everyone's ass-naked in the streets

19:06:29 trinque: portland wants to break from the repressed sexuality of america so bad

19:08:34 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1182516 << wut ? lol.

19:08:34 assbot: Logged on 01-07-2015 05:52:58; mats: driver insisted i sit in front, fist bump him, and talk the whole trip

19:08:58 mats: 'community ridesharing'

19:09:08 mats: we're supposed to be buds

19:09:09 mircea_popescu: what happened to pointing out to the driver he's to speak when spoken to.

19:09:22 ascii_field: i like 'uber' more

19:09:27 ascii_field: it simply took the money and ran

19:09:39 mircea_popescu: quoth the runner : ubermore!

19:09:40 funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1183410 <-- good work! Yosemite is amazing, I did some lines there years ago

19:09:40 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

19:09:40 assbot: Logged on 01-07-2015 19:03:09; ag3nt_zer0: any hikers in here? just did 5 days backpacking in yosemite... unbelievable! - highly recommended

19:09:48 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=17-06-2015#1166116 << see also

19:09:48 assbot: Logged on 17-06-2015 15:01:15; asciilifeform: whereby a bunch of folks pretend to be an uber 'cabbie' and 'pick up' customers

19:09:58 mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ you did cocaine off the mountain's asscrack ?!

19:10:01 danielpbarron: !v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.juliatourianski_.3:70bc5de51fb224a5e85a3b7da3bba658b99a22fdacd4c178f51c1206c73b308d

19:10:02 assbot: Successfully updated the rating for juliatourianski_ from -2 to 3 with note: met at porcfest; a fantastic escort

19:10:04 ag3nt_zer0: mircea_popescu: you had asked what the hell is the sophia perennis anyway... well, a core and concise exposition of it can be found in more than a few works - here is one that stands at 134 pages and I would really love to hear some thoughts on it if you get a chance to sit down with it... if for no other reason than I struggle to find "holes" in it... http://tohno-chan.com/ddl/src/Rene_Guenon_-_The_Crisis_of_the_Modern_W

19:10:06 assbot: 404 - page not found ... ( http://bit.ly/1f234I3 )

19:10:07 mircea_popescu: just how much was it

19:10:21 funkenstein_: lol, definitely enough crack there to last a lifetime

19:10:23 mircea_popescu: i had ?

19:10:31 mircea_popescu: !s sophia perennis

19:10:31 assbot: 0 results for 'sophia perennis' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=sophia+perennis

19:10:37 mircea_popescu: i don't think so ?

19:11:22 ag3nt_zer0: maybe we were using the "perennial tradition" terms

19:11:25 ag3nt_zer0: same thing

19:11:30 funkenstein_: incidentally, one of the lines I did was called "the nose"

19:11:55 mircea_popescu: !s perennial tradition

19:11:56 assbot: 0 results for 'perennial tradition' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=perennial+tradition

19:12:13 mircea_popescu: suppose you actually link me ag3nt_zer0 ?

19:12:46 ag3nt_zer0: I don't know how

19:13:06 ag3nt_zer0: hold up

19:13:10 mircea_popescu: you ever read the log ?

19:13:11 funkenstein_: was linked here a couple days ago, with full url :)

19:13:59 mircea_popescu: coupla monthgs ago i bought a couple of thin wooden sticks from an art store. impulse buy, i just happened to be next to them.

19:14:26 mircea_popescu: i've since used them as switches, and broke them on ass. the parts i collected and since just about right thickenss, sharpened them

19:14:41 mircea_popescu: and the shavings ? why, the shavings burn, creating this most pleasant wooden smoke atmosphere.

19:14:45 ag3nt_zer0: mircea_popescu: http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=perennialism

19:14:46 assbot: 2 results for 'perennialism' - #bitcoin-assets search

19:14:49 mircea_popescu: best impulse buy ever.

19:15:13 ascii_field: right thickness ?

19:15:17 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=23-06-2015#1173212 << specifically ?

19:15:17 assbot: Logged on 23-06-2015 03:05:44; mircea_popescu: and wtf is "perennialism" even supposed to be, pico de la mirandolla and friends ?

19:15:21 mircea_popescu: ascii_field bout like a pencil

19:15:23 ag3nt_zer0: mircea_popescu: yes I read the log

19:15:30 ascii_field: like pencil, but cannot write ?

19:15:39 ascii_field: or what, mircea_popescu took up cuneiform ?

19:16:05 ag3nt_zer0: mircea_popescu: yes, specifically that

19:16:15 *: ascii_field used to own such a stick, for putting maths graffiti in wet cement

19:16:27 mircea_popescu: lol

19:16:48 mircea_popescu: ag3nt_zer0 and your offering is a 404 ?

19:16:54 *: funkenstein_ thinks ascii_field might know a thing or two about using switches

19:17:12 mircea_popescu: he always struckl me like more of a semaphore kind of guy

19:17:46 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1182528 << me too.

19:17:46 assbot: Logged on 01-07-2015 05:58:05; ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: i dream of a world where the insurance to drive your own ass around is prohibitive for all but the ultra-rich

19:18:08 ag3nt_zer0: mircea_popescu: hmmm... should be a pdf - http://tohno-chan.com/ddl/src/Rene_Guenon_-_The_Crisis_of_the_Modern_World.pdf

19:18:11 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1LhkQDg )

19:18:31 mircea_popescu: and what does mp say about pdfs with innerving regularity and peppered throughout teh logs ?

19:18:38 ag3nt_zer0: oh

19:18:41 ag3nt_zer0: sorry

19:19:43 mircea_popescu: anyway, yes, Rene Guenon, pico de la mirandola & friends.

19:22:50 mircea_popescu: the other side of the earlier fox : http://40.media.tumblr.com/34fcf7d7d8f39cd0ae9d488aa89d714e/tumblr_nh26kcSHGN1ti99ofo2_1280.jpg

19:22:51 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1T6W6zU )

19:23:10 midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: yeah, I know. I refuse to the signal the in-tribe, and that seems to be giving him a reason to think I'm some kind of plant with an agenda. If he accepted the truth I think he'd calm down quite a bit, although at this point he'd probably never believe it.

19:23:32 mircea_popescu: in the end what difference does it make.

19:23:38 midnightmagic: I just read more than I comment is all.

19:23:55 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=10-02-2015#1014374 << see also.

19:23:55 assbot: Logged on 10-02-2015 03:25:08; mircea_popescu: this is like asking wyatt earp "how do you distinguish between the f brothers and stray dog"

19:25:42 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2015#999266

19:25:42 assbot: Logged on 31-01-2015 02:02:19; midnightmagic: dude. seriously plotting or fomenting the physical murder of the USG is sedition, insurrection, and various related crimes and there's no fucking way I'm interested in being associated with it just because I'm lurking in here.

19:25:56 mircea_popescu: seems coherent enough.

19:27:31 midnightmagic: So? Opinion doesn't mean action; and it doesn't follow that I'd waste my time reporting, or even communicating with an inverted totalitarianist state, given the literal costs of doing so in terms of freedom and money.

19:27:50 ag3nt_zer0: interesting - have never heard of Mirandola referred to as a core "traditionalist" writer - Guenon, Schuon, Evola, Burkhardt and others - but not Mirandola. From a nothing read I can see a similarity in their attempt to legitimize these modalities of thought but I read that his ideas were influential in renaissance humanism which guenon appears to be highly critical of... ?

19:28:10 mircea_popescu: midnightmagic you know not everyone you ever run into will like you.

19:28:27 midnightmagic: Yes, I know.

19:29:04 mircea_popescu: ag3nt_zer0 he's the original neoplatonician "ezoterist" or however you call this silly sort of romanticism that passes for "traditionalism" in postmodernism.

19:29:20 mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field

19:29:33 ascii_field: 153000+

19:30:13 mircea_popescu: evola, recently mentioned here, very much in the same vein

19:30:25 *: ascii_field went once on an evola kick

19:30:39 mircea_popescu: he's certainly above the usual productions of his peninsula.

19:30:58 ascii_field: but it hardly gets deader than the thing that made him

19:31:05 ascii_field: there is none of it to be had now.

19:31:07 ag3nt_zer0: mircea_popescu: but you would consider evola "silly romanticism?

19:31:17 mircea_popescu: ag3nt_zer0 quite. you wouldn't ?

19:31:35 ag3nt_zer0: no i guess not

19:32:26 mircea_popescu: i suppose the problem here is that to the children of today the women are grandmothers, but to they that rolled them on all their sides in the hay they'll stay about 20.

19:32:43 mircea_popescu: in which line, i was recently shocked to realise my mother's retiring. when i met the woman she was young!

19:32:52 ascii_field: l0l

19:33:24 jurov: deedbot-: http://explo.yt/public/fmpif_201506.txt.asc

19:33:25 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1T6XPVR )

19:33:25 scoopbot_revived: F.MPIF June 2015 trading statement http://explo.yt/post/2015/07/01/F.MPIF-June-2015-trading-statement

19:33:26 deedbot-: accepted: 1

19:33:31 jurov: deedbot-: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150701/attachment_e1cbe3cd7f4dececd2f4d5e8d619f57ca41ca69f.txt

19:33:31 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1T6XQt4 )

19:33:32 deedbot-: accepted: 1

19:34:08 mircea_popescu: this entire construction is pretty fuckin spiffy if i do so myself.

19:34:13 *: mircea_popescu looks around rather pleased

19:35:51 williamdunne: Our robot slaves treat us well

19:35:55 funkenstein_: speaking of the vein of paranoia mentioned by midnightmagic, I would love some help to evaluate this comment: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1105109.msg11765764#msg11765764

19:35:56 assbot: Coin-Vote testers wanted ... ( http://bit.ly/1f27C13 )

19:37:36 ascii_field: ^ translation: 'we wanna get rich off our crackpot altcoin plz'

19:38:04 ascii_field: ('cryptovote' is a vastly overworked and tiresome subject in maths academia, for 20+yrs now)

19:38:22 williamdunne: Pro democracy anarchist? Wut.

19:38:41 mircea_popescu: is this some sort of ploy to drum up interest for tardstalk forum ?

19:40:55 funkenstein_: lol, sorry.. guy kinda scared with his "you are dumber than DPR"

19:41:02 ag3nt_zer0: mircea_popescu: but just becasue I do not consider it silly romanticism does not mean I could not be convinced if one were inclined to point out any inconsistencies in their thought... which is why I ask in this room... I suppose that if there were people able to help me peel back the layers a bit further, or demonstrate to me my own silly romantic tendencies that lead me to think most of this thought is "true", they migh

19:41:19 ag3nt_zer0: again, I understand not having the time or patience as well...

19:41:28 mircea_popescu: !gettrust ag3nt_zer0

19:41:32 assbot: Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user ag3nt_zer0: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=mircea_popescu&to=ag3nt_zer0 | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/ag3nt_zer0/

19:41:48 mircea_popescu: why would it matter to me what you could or couldn't be ?

19:42:47 ag3nt_zer0: it doesn't have to... it was out of respect that I asked

19:43:23 mircea_popescu: not the point, tho. the point is, you're approaching it backwards.

19:44:41 ascii_field: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150701/pss_2f32fc9570f505a65c46b118c415cae70d57d757.png << in other news, one can infer that bitcoin permanently sits down on ~300 byte per block ingested

19:44:42 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1dxtuQd )

19:47:48 mircea_popescu: padding!

19:48:00 ascii_field: indices

19:48:14 ascii_field: ought to move to a cached disk turd

19:48:30 ascii_field: then we're left with the 30MB footprint of the bugger itself + mempools

19:48:41 ascii_field: (+ said cache)

19:50:37 ascii_field: incidentally, blkxxxx oughta be an mmap

19:50:46 ascii_field: because we no longer are encumbered with winblowz

19:53:38 ag3nt_zer0: mircea_popescu: might you offer a suggestion as to how to approach it in a more forward manner?

19:55:41 ascii_field: and, for anyone who has not yet read the article: precisely same footprint ~whether blocks are eaten one by one, or bitcoind merely started with the results thereof~

19:55:45 mircea_popescu: alright. be specific, ask specific questions, construct syllogisms so that you can work tnd and the rest of the devices thought rests on...

19:56:10 mircea_popescu: ascii_field padding!

19:56:20 ascii_field: wut

19:56:35 mircea_popescu: the unverified suspicion is that this exists as overflow protection.

19:59:10 ascii_field: well we already knew that headers are stored forever in ram

19:59:15 ascii_field: but this accounts for what, 81 bt ?

19:59:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42150 @ 0.00051733 = 21.8055 BTC [+]

20:02:25 ag3nt_zer0: mircea_popescu: thanks. what's tnd?

20:02:46 mircea_popescu: tertium non datur.

20:03:08 mircea_popescu: along with reductio ad absurdum and friends, the infrastructure of all thought.

20:03:23 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

20:03:26 ascii_field: ^^^^

20:03:30 ag3nt_zer0: appreciate it

20:04:02 jurov: vagina non olet

20:04:15 *: ascii_field mentally blows dust off his unwritten magnum opus re: ternary computing, 'tertium datur'

20:04:20 mircea_popescu: vagina olet, pecunia non clam interfecisset.

20:04:50 mircea_popescu: ascii_field mere moving the gulp posts. "septimum non datur" or w/e

20:04:59 ascii_field: l0lz

20:05:03 mircea_popescu: the point is that unbounded lists are impermissible.

20:05:14 ascii_field: tell it to hilbert & co

20:05:18 mircea_popescu: i am.

20:05:50 mircea_popescu: (they're not impermissible in nature - merely in thinking. you gotta know what you're talking about)

20:06:30 mircea_popescu: otherwise, feel free to tell your compiler something like "so this program i wanna work on, right ? it has like a number of functions in it and stuff like that"

20:06:32 ascii_field: it remains possible to deal with infinities of certain kinds whilst knowing what one is talking about

20:06:39 mircea_popescu: i suppose this passes for "higher level language" in some circles.

20:06:55 ascii_field: it is called 'human compiler'

20:07:01 mircea_popescu: and it does what you mean!

20:07:05 mircea_popescu: or else... it's mean!

20:07:15 ascii_field: sorta like mold in bathtub does 'what you mean'

20:07:21 mircea_popescu: aha.

20:07:24 ascii_field: yes, you kinda put it there

20:07:29 ascii_field: but go and try signing your name with it

20:08:11 mircea_popescu: dude im sitting here cackling at my stupid latin wordplay wtf is wrong with me

20:08:54 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=27-06-2015#1179369 << see also.

20:08:54 assbot: Logged on 27-06-2015 21:50:42; jurov: https://lurkmore.to/Lingua_latina_non_penis_canina lmao

20:10:11 mircea_popescu: anyway. vagina smells and money never hurt clams.

20:10:22 mircea_popescu: cuz money IS clams

20:10:25 mircea_popescu: and so are vaginas

20:10:48 danielpbarron: !v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.jwzguy.1:f446dc815dbbca084f820ec4495027452f793977737fde722e5409c9a99631e8

20:10:48 assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for jwzguy with note: met at porcfest

20:11:23 williamdunne: Not all vaginas smell, so at least there's that

20:11:29 mircea_popescu: yeah they do.

20:11:43 danielpbarron: noses smell; vaginas stink

20:11:51 williamdunne: Not all vaginas stink

20:11:59 mircea_popescu: that's for sure

20:12:25 williamdunne: Ok, well there's the confusion. By smell I thought you meant carries an odour

20:13:02 mircea_popescu: that's what i meant.

20:14:14 williamdunne: Oh, well I'll have to disagree. More often than not, at least with my (limited) experience they smell no different to the rest of whomever it belongs to

20:14:23 williamdunne: Well, at least initially

20:15:08 mircea_popescu: it's a wonder then that dogs don't stick the truffle straight into the girl's elbow.

20:15:29 mircea_popescu: see ag3nt_zer0 ? syllogism!

20:15:44 williamdunne: I'll give you that one, then again they have a slight advantage over myself when it comes to detection of it

20:17:04 ag3nt_zer0: yes, fucking brilliant!

20:18:08 williamdunne: b-a really helps with my vocabulary

20:18:17 mircea_popescu: you didn't know it was called a truffle ?

20:21:21 williamdunne: No, syllogism

20:23:37 williamdunne: And a perfect example was provided with it

20:26:23 mircea_popescu: ah

20:29:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.QNTR] 46850 @ 0.0003432 = 16.0789 BTC [+]

20:31:41 mats: that was unexpected

20:34:55 danielpbarron: deedbot-, http://danielpbarron.com/blk.asc.txt

20:34:56 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ktvg3x )

20:34:57 deedbot-: accepted: 1

20:35:41 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1182882 <<< it gets better lol http://qntra.net/2015/07/qntra-s-qntr-june-2015-statement/#comments

20:35:41 assbot: Logged on 01-07-2015 16:08:00; mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2015/06/pressure-in-the-united-states-mounts-to-ban-symbols-of-rebellion-against-federal-government/#comment-29482 << can't tell if serious...

20:35:42 assbot: Qntra (S.QNTR) June 2015 Statement | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ktvibw )

20:43:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16800 @ 0.00051278 = 8.6147 BTC [-]

20:45:41 scoopbot_revived: Europol & Eurojust Take Down Cybercriminal Group http://qntra.net/2015/07/europol-eurojust-take-down-cybercriminal-group/

20:46:05 lobbes: lol, qntra rabbit ain't giving in to federal pressure: http://qntra.net/qntra.jpg

20:46:06 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1dktinq )

20:48:05 williamdunne: Is there some back story to the Qntra rabbit?

20:48:30 danielpbarron: just like qntra, the rabbit is now a part of cazalla

20:49:58 cazalla: williamdunne, not really, if the rabbit mascot was still alive i'd have named him dixie

20:50:25 mircea_popescu: terrorabbit

20:51:54 cazalla: perhaps i'm still at that juvenile stage in my life where if someone tells me i can't have something (flag in this instance) i want it all the more

20:52:49 mircea_popescu: they need to confront their impotence

20:53:02 mircea_popescu: they need to confront it insistently and constantly.

20:53:57 scoopbot_revived: Malware Ring Participants Arrested http://qntra.net/2015/07/malware-ring-participants-arrested/

20:54:21 cazalla: lol i put it up no less than 5 minutes ago BingoBoingo

20:54:41 BingoBoingo: Ah, dammit

20:56:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 152000 @ 0.00050558 = 76.8482 BTC [-] {3}

21:08:44 pete_dushenski: cazalla: just noticed a typo there ... "cybercrimial" instead of "cybercriminal" in the opening sentence. fix plox :)

21:08:54 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: ^

21:09:28 cazalla: pete_dushenski, fixed (i do read em before publishing but it's early :P )

21:09:45 pete_dushenski: cazalla: lol cheers mate

21:10:04 pete_dushenski: o hey liking the new bunny header

21:10:32 pete_dushenski: that's some handy dandy photoshwappin'

21:15:57 cazalla: pete_dushenski, gimp and trademarks are not verbs dude http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/pressroom/pressmaterials/pdfs/photoshop_guidelines_pr.pdf "For example: "The image was enhanced using Adobe? Photoshop? software." not . . . "The image was photoshopped."

21:15:58 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GOHwWe )

21:16:52 pete_dushenski: eh fuck that. i make my own words.

21:16:57 *: danielpbarron gimped a confed flag into his twitter pic

21:17:27 *: pete_dushenski checks dpb twitter

21:17:32 pete_dushenski: lulz

21:17:57 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

21:17:59 ascii_field: achtung, panzers!

21:18:01 ascii_field: ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al:

21:18:02 ascii_field: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000113.html

21:18:07 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GOHIVi )

21:18:09 ascii_field: 'Here is a 'blkcut' utility. Cuts or counts.'

21:18:22 mircea_popescu: haha

21:18:28 mircea_popescu: made your own dulap have you

21:18:33 ascii_field: schlllp.

21:18:35 ascii_field: aha

21:18:58 mircea_popescu: cazalla you knbow why they're pushing that right ?

21:19:02 pete_dushenski: danielpbarron: re: https://twitter.com/danielpbarron/status/614855224864448513 << is this the same rassah from the ol' 'mycelium knows how to make rng for their entropy dongle now but won't because it's hard and other reasons' ?

21:19:04 ascii_field: exercise for reader:

21:19:07 ascii_field: make it hash'em

21:19:10 ascii_field: instead of dumping

21:19:19 shinohai: So this is a separate utility?

21:19:26 ascii_field: yes

21:19:28 ascii_field: 1pager

21:19:32 shinohai: ^____________^

21:19:33 pete_dushenski: obligatory : http://www.contravex.com/2014/07/17/proof-that-mycelium-knows-how-to-make-a-better-rng-for-its-entropy-dongle-and-isnt/

21:19:34 assbot: Proof That Mycelium Knows How To Make A Better RNG For Its Entropy Dongle. And Isn’t. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1GOHQEr )

21:19:35 ascii_field: nothing earth-shaking here

21:19:45 ascii_field: but afaik there was no simple, fast cutter

21:19:46 cazalla: mircea_popescu, i can't imagine why tbh, the word is as synonymous to search as is google

21:19:48 ascii_field: so here's one

21:20:31 shinohai: I hate webchat, my shell got klined

21:21:10 ascii_field: at any rate, you can call sha256sum on the resulting dir tree

21:21:12 ascii_field: and get hashes

21:21:14 ascii_field: mircea_popescu ^

21:21:19 mod6: ascii_field: re: blkcut, neat!

21:21:21 ascii_field: or anybody who gives a fuc

21:21:30 mircea_popescu: cazalla if it's ruled a genericized term they lose the trademark.

21:22:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40658 @ 0.00049896 = 20.2867 BTC [-]

21:22:07 mircea_popescu: hence "The image was enhanced using A?d?o?be? P?ho?tos?hop?"

21:22:21 mircea_popescu: they'd put a ? in the ? if somehow it were feasible.

21:22:49 cazalla: ah so really nothing more than token measure by legal derpartment to ensure they maintain the trademark?

21:23:26 danielpbarron: pete_dushenski, it's the same rassah that's in the WoT, so... probably the same guy?

21:23:39 danielpbarron: reminds me i should give him a +1 or something

21:23:48 mircea_popescu: more like pissing in the wind

21:23:53 danielpbarron: he was one of the less annoying people I met last week

21:23:58 pete_dushenski: !gettrust rassah

21:23:58 assbot: Trust relationship from user pete_dushenski to user rassah: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 2 connections. | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=pete_dushenski&to=rassah | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/rassah/

21:23:58 mircea_popescu: it doesn't matter what they say, if people use it as a generic term that's that.

21:25:04 ascii_field: so, it is now possible to sync directly from a sliced-up blkxxxxx dir

21:25:14 ascii_field: and theoretically end up with SAME blkxxxxx dir that you ate

21:25:23 ascii_field: e.g., mircea_popescu's 'as it happened' bins

21:25:28 ascii_field: (if he decides to post'em)

21:25:35 mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2015/07/europol-eurojust-take-down-cybercriminal-group/ << i don't get it, is this the same zeus that's been around for 10+ years ?

21:25:36 assbot: Europol & Eurojust Take Down Cybercriminal Group | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1GOIguc )

21:26:25 mircea_popescu: ascii_field kinda too lazy to figure out how you start a torrent, and how the fuck am i going to serve 50gb dishes to the public ?

21:26:43 ascii_field: the point, if anyone doesn't get it, is to hunt for nondeterminism ~anywhere~ in bitcoin

21:26:47 ascii_field: where it oughtn't to be

21:26:47 shinohai: You need a blockchain torrent?

21:26:54 danielpbarron: > While I was away from the computer when Rassah finally stopped derping about "escrowless" escrow and his 1,000 BTC Prius and got down to business, here's what transpired when he did. << lol I got to see that thing in person and hear the "story" behind it

21:27:29 ascii_field: yeah it'd have to be a torrent

21:27:41 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron yeah, guy's been around forever, i recall his story about selling out at the top cca $13

21:27:44 danielpbarron: basically was "at least I didn't lose the 1k in mt gox"

21:28:18 shinohai: making torrents is easy. Huge file, but doable

21:28:30 danielpbarron: there's a t-shirt: "Mt. Gox went bankrupt and all I got was this lousy Prius."

21:28:43 ascii_field: could also slice'em up with blkcut and serve as http!

21:29:08 ascii_field: whoever wants, can download with script as he needs them

21:30:57 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: same zues, yes.

21:31:09 pete_dushenski: zeus*

21:31:25 shinohai: how small can u make the files with blkcut ascii_field

21:31:35 shinohai: and do i have to reassemble ?

21:31:42 ascii_field: shinohai: eat one is entirely the size of the respective block

21:31:47 ascii_field: however large it was

21:31:49 ascii_field: this is elementary

21:31:57 trinque: it's really called europol and eurojust?

21:31:58 mircea_popescu: lol ok, good that they caught that zeus villain then

21:32:02 mircea_popescu: yeah.

21:32:04 shinohai: >.<

21:32:08 ascii_field: pete_dushenski: at one point observed that 9 out of 10 malware samples i got to reverse were zeus variants

21:32:09 mircea_popescu: euros have the most idiotic name shcemes.

21:32:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78644 @ 0.00051322 = 40.3617 BTC [+] {2}

21:32:16 trinque: grexit!

21:32:26 trinque: fucking moronic political neologisms

21:32:27 ascii_field: incidentally the src of zeus was leaked long ago

21:32:29 ascii_field: hence the variants

21:32:35 trinque: at least our turd politicians aren't even clever enough to make those

21:32:42 scoopbot_revived: MiniGame (S.MG), June 2015 Statement http://fraudsters.com/2015/minigame-smg-june-2015-statement/

21:32:45 ascii_field: nothing earth-shaking, just a complete trojan system for idiots

21:32:48 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: hades is in chains.

21:32:58 pete_dushenski: ascii_field: that's... a lot.

21:33:40 danielpbarron: !v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.rassah.1:7d0963bfd9127d46031ea0f8bac168d9f8bb3a63d299918d83ce747fb96eb2f7

21:33:41 assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for rassah with note: met at porcfest

21:34:14 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1183705 << bitcoin will reassemble

21:34:14 assbot: Logged on 01-07-2015 21:31:35; shinohai: and do i have to reassemble ?

21:34:20 ascii_field: that's sorta the whole point

21:34:38 ascii_field: load, feed into your eater

21:34:58 ascii_field: at the end of the day, your ~/.bitcoin and other fella's should be identical.

21:35:02 ascii_field: (save for debug.log)

21:36:07 ascii_field: the only reason to do this, other than pgp-hardened out of band syncs, is to make your bitcoind walk the same logic path as other fella's

21:36:12 ascii_field: (or your own from past)

21:36:14 ascii_field: to test.

21:37:15 *: ascii_field washes chopping block, picks up gavin feathers

21:38:34 pete_dushenski: lol time to make a headdress, chief.

21:38:56 ascii_field: when i've the whole set!

21:39:25 pete_dushenski: to be donned at the annual ceremony where we'll burn more of mp's woodchips,

21:39:33 mircea_popescu: stick shavings.

21:39:42 pete_dushenski: stick shavings then.

21:40:41 danielpbarron: the link to the file on my site is missing the 'h' from 'http' but i'm not sure i want to know what happens to my connection if that's corrected :/

21:40:44 pete_dushenski: and chant the cultiest chant there ever was while nubile princesses dance around our circle

21:41:37 mircea_popescu: lol then i guess i leave it ?

21:42:04 mircea_popescu: nothing'll happen, you're hosting a text file.

21:42:14 mircea_popescu: problems mostly occur to idiots with a ton of js wrapped in who knows what

21:43:45 lobbesbot: New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=4294967297 (Tim Fiedler ; ) http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D7B81471B4D1C2FC6AA8D6709F391B026BD1BAFEBAB21AE8BA277C1B3D054536#E284546D92DA7018662D558ED5DFAEA95B9AE98B3A61121D1379C869B054C7F8 || Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=12884901891 (Tim Fiedler ; ) http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D7B81471B4D1C2FC6AA8D6709F391B026BD1BAFEBAB21AE8BA277C1B3D054536#90483C149C873479D

21:44:49 trinque: another .de

21:45:02 ascii_field: apple corp.

21:45:16 trinque: and I think he was already in the list with another key

21:45:21 ascii_field: aha

21:45:39 trinque: several!

21:45:41 trinque: cool

21:46:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67857 @ 0.00049872 = 33.8416 BTC [-] {3}

21:46:54 ascii_field: http://cryptome.org/2015/07/nsa-xks-more-intercept-15-0701.7z << mega-l0l

21:47:04 ascii_field: 'xkeyscore' manual set, apparently

21:47:11 ascii_field: ~650MB !

21:47:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68700 @ 0.00051695 = 35.5145 BTC [+] {3}

21:47:34 mircea_popescu: does this qualify as valuable secret in your grille ?

21:47:43 ascii_field: so far dying of boredom

21:47:58 ascii_field: wake me up when the real nsa leaks

21:48:01 ascii_field: the one with hot chix

21:48:14 mircea_popescu: you gotta jiggle her g spot for leaks.

21:54:56 scoopbot_revived: UK Gambling Commission Strongarms Some Bitcoin Based Gambling Websites http://qntra.net/2015/07/uk-gambling-commission-strongarms-some-bitcoin-based-gambling-websites/

21:54:56 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

21:54:59 ascii_field: '(TS//SI//NF) BLARNEY Team assists S2C52 analysts in implementing Xkeyscore fingerprints that yield access to U.N. Secretary General talking points prior to meeting with POTUS.'

21:55:02 ascii_field: pathetic.

21:55:55 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1183764 << when do we get to hear from the saudi pr0n commission?

21:55:55 assbot: Logged on 01-07-2015 21:54:56; scoopbot_revived: UK Gambling Commission Strongarms Some Bitcoin Based Gambling Websites http://qntra.net/2015/07/uk-gambling-commission-strongarms-some-bitcoin-based-gambling-websites/

21:58:23 mats: https://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-patches/2015-07/msg00073.html

21:58:24 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1H0TmP8 )

21:59:24 pete_dushenski: cazalla: 'believed to have acquiesced' based on what ? and 'shut down' link is swapped with its archive

21:59:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36250 @ 0.00049456 = 17.9278 BTC [-] {3}

22:00:52 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: 194000+

22:02:15 cazalla: pete_dushenski, fixed and added source

22:03:11 pete_dushenski: aha nice.

22:04:40 pete_dushenski: kakobrekla: did you ever receive a notification from the uk gambling commision ? or did they snub you like those chartmakerz

22:05:23 *: kakobrekla checks mail

22:05:28 kakobrekla: nothing here

22:05:41 pete_dushenski: snubbed again.

22:06:37 mats: if you've been meaning to get a pogo for a node, haven't for whatever reason, are L1/L2, ill send you some btc with honorable condition you purchase and set one up

22:06:47 pete_dushenski: bitbet and therealbitcoin : blocked out from the land or swarming, smarming idiocy, much to everyone's benefit, since forever

22:07:04 mats: append a btc addr in channel to my nick to redeem

22:08:01 pete_dushenski: mats: orly ?

22:08:12 mats: ya rly

22:08:26 pete_dushenski: what's 'some btc' ?

22:08:55 pete_dushenski: !up gares_

22:09:04 pete_dushenski: you can talk now, gares_

22:09:15 mats: 0.1

22:09:53 pete_dushenski: damn ! that's titty money !

22:09:58 mats: should cover cost of purchase and s&h

22:10:15 pete_dushenski: ...not quite.

22:10:46 pete_dushenski: but a nice incentive nonetheless

22:11:33 danielpbarron: mats, what can I do to make my currently running pogo useful to you?

22:14:35 mats: keep on doing whatever you're doing

22:30:31 shinohai: my original node is stable

22:36:37 mircea_popescu: i like mats' attitude.

22:39:42 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1182561 << mmmyeah.

22:39:42 assbot: Logged on 01-07-2015 06:10:14; mats: like its normal to run a half billion dollar net loss in a low margin low moat industry

22:39:46 mircea_popescu: !up ValentinJesse

22:39:58 mircea_popescu: but common sense won't apply because... they'll revolutionize!

22:44:33 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1182647 << i can see what you're saying, but im starting to suspect rolling release is the only way to do mmorpgs.

22:44:33 assbot: Logged on 01-07-2015 08:21:20; *: BingoBoingo hates both Github and "rolling release"

22:44:49 mircea_popescu: now, why adult software shouldn't be run on a kiddy paradigm is a different story

22:44:52 mircea_popescu: but for games it's great.

22:45:10 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1183595 <<< lucky man then.. my first still to this day is the worst (although might be on account it was my first and as such has become an acquired taste/smell, who knows)

22:45:10 assbot: Logged on 01-07-2015 20:14:14; williamdunne: Oh, well I'll have to disagree. More often than not, at least with my (limited) experience they smell no different to the rest of whomever it belongs to

22:45:48 jurov: ;;ticker

22:45:49 gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 258.46, Best ask: 258.54, Bid-ask spread: 0.08000, Last trade: 258.5, 24 hour volume: 22920.54081272, 24 hour low: 252.77, 24 hour high: 265.37, 24 hour vwap: None

22:46:00 williamdunne: cazalla: yeah, last night if you'd stuck it in my face with a blindfold on I wouldn't have been able to tell you I had a vagina before me

22:46:03 jurov: ^ thx bitstamp :D

22:46:40 mircea_popescu: babyface can't tell ?

22:48:24 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1182690 << lol ok

22:48:24 assbot: Logged on 01-07-2015 10:31:57; cazalla: hmm, got a new warning http://i.imgur.com/66dgj00.png

22:49:39 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1182720 << disk prolly skipped.

22:49:39 assbot: Logged on 01-07-2015 12:07:42; asciilifeform: not sure what to blame other than ram fault (experiment was taking place on a portable with non-ecc ram)

22:49:50 *: mircea_popescu pictures alf car with pathe system.

22:49:55 williamdunne: mircea_popescu: It was immaculate

22:50:23 mircea_popescu: hopefully she doesn't conceive on you now.

22:50:47 williamdunne: That'd be pretty impressive, to be honest

22:51:52 mircea_popescu: https://github.com/TazeTSchnitzel < top kek

22:51:54 assbot: TazeTSchnitzel (Andrea Faulds) · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1R5MVSO )

22:52:01 mircea_popescu: https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/437#issuecomment-117390699 << i mean

22:52:02 assbot: timeX.google.com provide non standard time · Issue #437 · systemd/systemd · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1R5MUyh )

22:53:14 mircea_popescu: "I don't think that CoreOS registering systemd.pool.ntp.org is the best move. as to me it sounds like @poettering simply doesn't want any end-users to view systemd as some sort of a product providing its own services and, (at least in the minds of some users), being assigned the responsibility for those services or start treating systemd as a separate product, instead of it being an integral part of the distribution

22:53:14 mircea_popescu: you're using."

22:53:15 mircea_popescu: ahem

22:53:43 mircea_popescu: "our goal all along was to avoid responsibility for all the stupid shit we're doing. there's not much fun in stealing if one doesn't steal the having been stolen from at the same time!"

22:54:31 trinque: this internet thing is a trip; cultures can go to complete shit faster than ever before

22:54:56 mircea_popescu: in fairness systemd was born sort-of like reddit was born : collecting all the scum frothing at the periphery of a culture.

22:55:30 trinque: yeah, bunch of outcasts finally having their day

22:55:38 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000107.html << this is lovely shit.

22:55:38 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1R5NrAc )

22:55:47 trinque: heh it occurs to me that the USA is sort of that

22:55:58 mircea_popescu: started off as the exact inverse of that.

22:56:19 trinque: yeah, the better folks taking their fun elsewhere

22:56:26 trinque: but not recently

22:57:04 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1182755 << i think he's right ftr.

22:57:04 assbot: Logged on 01-07-2015 14:40:44; jurov: such "multimedia" stuff is better to publish on blog

23:00:39 shinohai: 37 GB bootstrap.dat xD

23:01:44 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform note how smoothly the man switched from "we've always said bitcoin has to have larger blocks" to "we;ve always said bitcoin is using up too much electricity" in midsentence!

23:02:12 mircea_popescu: i wish fighting the commies ever were as much fun as fighting these congenital retards is.

23:03:08 jurov: do you plan to kep it compatible with phoundation bootstrap.dat?

23:03:14 jurov: *keep

23:03:51 shinohai: i dunno, i just made one from 0.5.3 for the hell of it

23:04:12 jurov: did you compare it with their one?

23:04:19 mircea_popescu: shinohai what's in it ?

23:04:45 mircea_popescu: jurov you know i don't think i ever played uo...

23:04:51 jurov: if not compatible, i'd suggest to xz-compress it (xz is easily appendable, i have tried it in practice)

23:04:51 mircea_popescu: does that make me a bad rpg person ?

23:05:09 jurov: heh i did neither. only wanted to

23:05:33 shinohai: I always just cat the blkxxxx.dat's > bootstrap.dat

23:06:02 jurov: when later i got my hands on perma connection, UO's star faded or whatever

23:15:21 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1183832 << pretty basic. figured - ~somebody~ has to do that chore

23:15:21 assbot: Logged on 01-07-2015 22:55:38; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000107.html << this is lovely shit.

23:15:35 asciilifeform: but now other folks are invited to repeat the experiment

23:16:59 asciilifeform: next one (after i finish my broadcast..) will involve igprof per-function (yes) snapshots / block

23:17:29 mircea_popescu: cool beans/

23:17:59 asciilifeform: the 30M baseline is jaw-dropping imho

23:18:03 asciilifeform: i mean, wtf

23:18:46 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1183841 << eh, the 'too many joules' crowd has been going for ~2y+ now

23:18:46 assbot: Logged on 01-07-2015 23:01:44; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform note how smoothly the man switched from "we've always said bitcoin has to have larger blocks" to "we;ve always said bitcoin is using up too much electricity" in midsentence!

23:18:55 asciilifeform: just on the envirowhiner-left side

23:19:06 asciilifeform: (somehow al gore's jet is not counted as waste of joules, no)

23:19:59 asciilifeform: student exercise: calculate joules/sec of herr gore's jet, and translate into gigahash

23:20:10 scoopbot_revived: Jerry Seinfeld's Guide For Aspiring Stand-Up Comedians. http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/01/jerry-seinfelds-guide-for-aspiring-stand-up-comedians/

23:20:41 mircea_popescu: "1. be as bland as possible ; 2. find an insecure fuckwit to leech off ; 3. get lucky"

23:20:51 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1183843 << i don't recall what was in this

23:20:51 assbot: Logged on 01-07-2015 23:03:08; jurov: do you plan to kep it compatible with phoundation bootstrap.dat?

23:21:48 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: bah, ya cynic.

23:21:48 jurov: they say it's just <4-byte pchMessageStart><32-bit length><CBlock, serialized in network wire format>

23:22:06 mircea_popescu: hehehe

23:22:15 asciilifeform: same as blkxxxx then ?

23:22:47 asciilifeform: ^ try cutting one of them with http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000113.html

23:22:48 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1LVJXd3 )

23:22:51 asciilifeform: if cuts, then same format !

23:23:04 pete_dushenski: lol well, with two articles published today, ima sign off for the eve. a river cruise and fireworks await. cheers !

23:23:15 mircea_popescu: whereas i am going to go play my game

23:23:21 mircea_popescu: except i mean that literally.

23:23:30 *: asciilifeform off to eat caek

23:37:08 trinque: http://www.ft.com/fastft/353721/worker-killed-volkswagen-robot-accident << "VW said the robot had not suffered a technical defect." << LOL!

23:37:08 assbot: Worker killed in Volkswagen robot accident - fastFT: Market-moving news and views, 24 hours a day - FT.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1LVLaRo )

23:37:45 trinque: gonna need security cam footage of this

23:46:56 williamdunne: trinque: The guy walked into the security enclosure while the machine was operating

23:46:57 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1183815 << mno. that thing has an almost-new 1tb 'samsung' ssd, half-full

23:46:57 assbot: Logged on 01-07-2015 22:49:39; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1182720 << disk prolly skipped.

23:47:47 trinque: williamdunne: yeah, I'm just amused as shit at the thought of some german guy shouting "EVERYSING IS VURKING ACCORDINK TO SPECIFICATION!"


23:48:06 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1183884 << how many fall into woodchipper every day of the week

23:48:06 assbot: Logged on 01-07-2015 23:46:56; williamdunne: trinque: The guy walked into the security enclosure while the machine was operating

23:48:16 asciilifeform: but when 'robot!111!!!1!11' suddenly - news.

23:48:22 williamdunne: Exactly

23:48:31 williamdunne: trinque: Das ist gut, ya?

23:49:23 *: asciilifeform fwiw, when worked with robot, had all the 'safety' interlocks disabled. they make it damn-near impossible to get real work done

23:50:19 asciilifeform: (it was a stationary laboratory robot, ~2x1x1 metres. so all that was at stake was an odd hand or two)

23:51:34 williamdunne: I could put up with losing my legs, but I would be fucked if I lost my hands

23:51:45 asciilifeform: so don't lose'em

23:52:10 asciilifeform: at any rate, more folks lose hands from ordinary qwerty than from any robot

23:52:44 asciilifeform: pc keyboard, esp. the piece of shit most folks use, is a veritable 'dulap' for hands, yes

23:52:52 mats: type with your feet!

23:54:32 asciilifeform: with cock if you like

23:54:55 asciilifeform: (or physicist s. hawking's rumoured arse joystick!)

23:56:34 mats: how would that work? morse code?

23:57:59 asciilifeform: ask'im

23:59:20 williamdunne: I think its up-down

23:59:26 williamdunne: So top half of alphabet

23:59:29 williamdunne: Bottom half

23:59:31 williamdunne: And keeps refining

23:59:34 williamdunne: But could be wrong

23:59:53 asciilifeform: or plain old morse