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00:15:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28027 @ 0.00050452 = 14.1402 BTC [-] {3}

00:15:03 BingoBoingo: deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/16KC5X6.txt

00:15:04 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1l3AOrB )

00:15:05 deedbot-: accepted: 1

00:15:49 deedbot-: [Qntra] Qntra (S.QNTR) November 2015 Report - http://qntra.net/2015/12/qntra-s-qntr-november-2015-report/

00:18:41 BingoBoingo: https://i.imgur.com/1HkClga.png

00:18:42 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1l3BixR )

00:36:20 BingoBoingo: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=144891704016647&w=2

00:36:22 assbot: 'Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?' - MARC ... ( http://bit.ly/1l3DJRa )

00:40:02 BingoBoingo: Ponerty: "I am a one-trick pony; most of you are happy with my trick, so please

00:40:02 BingoBoingo: don't start a fresh conversation asking me to develop more tricks." https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=144892810720198&w=2

00:40:04 assbot: 'Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?' - MARC ... ( http://bit.ly/1NZ7sRM )

00:47:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33229 @ 0.00050094 = 16.6457 BTC [-] {3}

00:48:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3721 @ 0.00049768 = 1.8519 BTC [-]

00:52:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9050 @ 0.00050016 = 4.5264 BTC [+]

00:58:56 pete_dushenski: e-mail from private internet access : ""Dear Valued Customer, On November 17, we were privately notified of an IP address leak vulnerability affecting the port forwarding feature of our service. Essentially, anyone connecting to a forwarded port on any of our VPN gateways could have their real IP address leaked to an attacker specifically targeting a PIA user."

00:59:44 pete_dushenski: " The vulnerability relies on the fact that a direct route exists between the VPN client and server. If the client accesses a forwarded port on the VPN server that is maliciously set up by an attacker, the client will use the direct route using the user's default route, bypassing the VPN entirely."

01:01:42 pete_dushenski: "Protecting your privacy is our top priority and although exploiting this vulnerability is difficult and requires an attacker to specifically target you, we feel like we let you down with our initial response. Please accept our apologies, we are sorry."

01:02:28 pete_dushenski: IT'S HUURD. DUN WORRY. BEE HAPPY. (tm) (r)

01:03:15 pete_dushenski: not like vpn's are good for much but working around paywalls and geo-locationtardation anyways.

01:06:20 trinque: that'll be my next retort to someone against guns.

01:06:28 trinque: relax! it's only dangerous if it specifically targets you

01:06:59 pete_dushenski: lol

01:14:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12237 @ 0.00050819 = 6.2187 BTC [+] {3}

01:51:53 pete_dushenski: ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/12RG4YG.txt

01:51:54 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1XtnNbU )

01:51:54 gribble: The operation succeeded.

01:52:12 pete_dushenski: and with that, i'm gone with the wind ! ciao !

01:56:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13700 @ 0.00050338 = 6.8963 BTC [-]

02:05:28 BingoBoingo: Update: "I was wrong. the CD revenue is far less. The cashier makes more." - Theo de Raadt

02:05:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21650 @ 0.00050783 = 10.9945 BTC [+]

02:15:10 deedbot-: [Qntra] Italy Misses Terrorists Hits Gamers - http://qntra.net/2015/12/italy-misses-terrorists-hits-gamers/

02:36:33 BingoBoingo: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3uwpva/recent_sigop_attack_on_the_blockchain_or_advanced/

02:36:34 assbot: Recent "SigOp" "Attack" On The Blockchain Or Advanced Power Rangering : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Th3Sq7 )

02:52:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.00050906 = 3.2071 BTC [+]

02:56:31 mod6: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-December/000182.html

02:56:32 assbot: [BTC-dev] The Bitcoin Foundation: STATE OF BITCOIN ADDRESS ... ( http://bit.ly/1Th51xX )

03:10:32 ben_vulpes: https://sco.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quaternion

03:10:32 assbot: Quaternion - Wikipedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1IkYAti )

03:12:42 punkman: heh, I was just watching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52t1CWVTrLE

03:12:43 assbot: Parliamo Glasgow - Football Match - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1IkYPED )

03:12:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2150 @ 0.00050783 = 1.0918 BTC [-]

03:13:17 ben_vulpes: "The neutralitie o this airticle is disputit."

03:13:21 ben_vulpes: ^^ for mircea_popescu

03:18:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48426 @ 0.00050753 = 24.5776 BTC [-] {2}

03:19:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27353 @ 0.00051054 = 13.9648 BTC [+] {3}

03:21:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14521 @ 0.00051144 = 7.4266 BTC [+]

03:40:15 punkman: so the ersatz EZTV guys now also working on ersatz YIFY

03:40:37 punkman: https://yts.ag/

03:40:38 assbot: The Official Home of YIFY Movie Torrent Downloads - YTS ... ( http://bit.ly/1Il2lyG )

03:42:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44649 @ 0.00051303 = 22.9063 BTC [+] {5}

04:10:45 punkman: from the wild-mass-guessing department http://www.bitcoinfuturesguide.com/bitcoin-blog/arthur-hayes-of-bitmex-chinese-exchanges-are-operating-as-shadow-banks

04:10:47 assbot: Arthur Hayes of BitMEX: Chinese Exchanges Are Operating As Shadow Banks - Bitcoin Markets Guide - Top BTC Futures Exchanges ... ( http://bit.ly/1Os3tSg )

04:11:23 punkman: " the safe deposits which pay 3-5% APY are not enough to cover the basic costs of the business. Thus, they must be investing in 10-20% higher yielding "Wealth Management Products""

04:14:50 BingoBoingo: Didn't YIFY sign their papers and settle with MPAA?

04:15:02 punkman: who knows

04:15:21 punkman: https://www.yahoo.com/news/greece-mobilises-over-cyberattack-threat-against-banks-144350820.html

04:15:24 assbot: Greece mobilises over cyberattack threat against banks - Yahoo News ... ( http://bit.ly/1XDmCRN )

04:15:46 punkman: " a group named Armada Collective had demanded 700 btc"

04:17:31 punkman: possibly same guys that hit ProtonMail

04:23:57 ben_vulpes: ddos blackmail?

04:24:01 punkman: ye

04:24:25 punkman: greek papers are attributing as "Russian-backed Armada Collective"

04:26:10 punkman: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/breakingnews/Thai-banks-receive-Bitcoin-threat-30271821.html

04:26:13 assbot: Thai banks receive Bitcoin threat - The Nation ... ( http://bit.ly/1Os5w8W )

04:26:42 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes wait wut ?

04:28:22 trinque: scottish ebonics has its own pediwikia

04:29:36 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you know i can spot your troll accoutns by a mile by now

04:30:02 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yeah, getting too obvious.

04:30:41 BingoBoingo: Need to farm Carma in more varied subs, if to be serious engineer de social

04:31:24 mircea_popescu: also gaelic might help youy

04:32:16 mircea_popescu: in other news, mainstream media. http://49.media.tumblr.com/53f69186fe013329936ddb1ed04007be/tumblr_n1gsp8adHb1sxrdofo1_400.gif

04:32:18 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Os68vs )

04:32:28 mircea_popescu: (depicted centrally, the main stream)

04:32:37 ben_vulpes: 'disputit'!

04:34:00 punkman: "Blockchain, blockchain, blockchain! It’s not the bitcoin anymore, right? Right (probably.) Join me at Disrupt London where I’ll be talking to Steve Waterhouse of Pantera Capital, Vitalik Buterin of Ethereum, and Austin Hill of BlockSteam. If anyone can make sense of the blockchain vs. bitcoin argument, it’s these guys."

04:34:26 ben_vulpes: terminal periods outside of parentheses please

04:36:39 mircea_popescu: except there's no argument and who the fuck are these schmucks again ?

04:37:50 ben_vulpes: "just write the way you speak!"

04:41:47 deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 2.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Turkey land area to shrink in 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1230/turkey-land-area-to-shrink-in-2016/#b3

04:43:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26608 @ 0.00051259 = 13.639 BTC [-] {2}

04:44:20 punkman: mircea_popescu: except there's no argument and who the fuck are these schmucks again ? << my caption for the gif

05:06:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32900 @ 0.00051143 = 16.826 BTC [-] {2}

05:08:23 ben_vulpes: http://contributor-covenant.org/ << dig the colors

05:08:24 assbot: Contributor Covenant: A Code of Conduct for Open Source Projects ... ( http://bit.ly/1OBbfrc )

05:09:37 punkman: "We are committed to making participation in this project a harassment-free experience for everyone, regardless of level of experience, gender, gender identity and expression, sexual orientation, disability, personal appearance, body size, race, ethnicity, age, religion, or nationality."

05:09:50 punkman: meh

05:11:00 punkman: "This code of conduct applies both within project spaces and in public spaces when an individual is representing the project or its community."

05:12:19 kakobrekla: speaking of con(f)s, at the 'Finance Magnates London Summit 2015' there was a single talk canceled due to 'unforeseen circumstances'; RECODING FINANCE – BLOCKCHAIN with Peter Randal, CEO of SETL

05:20:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5283 @ 0.00050798 = 2.6837 BTC [-]

05:22:13 punkman: https://www.artsjournal.com/aestheticgrounds/wp/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Lee-Jaehyo.jpg

05:22:16 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1OBcE1c )

05:23:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35350 @ 0.00050742 = 17.9373 BTC [-] {2}

05:24:11 ben_vulpes: "we develop at the source code level"

05:24:15 ben_vulpes: ahahueehhueahehea

05:24:42 ben_vulpes: they announced their plans guise

05:24:52 ben_vulpes: in longdong in july

05:24:57 ben_vulpes: https://setl.io/

05:24:59 assbot: SETL.io ... ( http://bit.ly/1OBcUNA )

05:25:58 ben_vulpes: love love love the not taken together at all in a million years set of headshots and bios scrolling by at lightspeed

05:26:08 ben_vulpes: oh god the rounded corners and brand endorsement segment

05:28:02 BingoBoingo: !up asciilifeform

05:29:00 kakobrekla: lmao ben_vulpes

05:29:12 kakobrekla: i admit i havent bothered checking it myself.

05:31:14 ben_vulpes: !s eject sjw

05:31:14 assbot: 0 results for 'eject sjw' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=eject+sjw

05:31:25 ben_vulpes: oh we haven't done this one yet?

05:31:42 ben_vulpes: so let's start here: http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=6918

05:31:47 assbot: Why Hackers Must Eject the SJWs ... ( http://bit.ly/1XtMogJ )

05:31:47 ben_vulpes: (raymond again)

05:32:25 ben_vulpes: which i found 2 degrees from http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/38746.html

05:32:28 assbot: mjg59 | What is hacker culture? ... ( http://bit.ly/1XtMsNx )

05:33:18 ben_vulpes: which linked https://medium.com/@coralineada/why-hackers-must-welcome-social-justice-advocates-1f8d7e216b00#.8rx7bzmnn and https://tim.dreamwidth.org/1986615.html

05:33:19 assbot: Why Hackers Must Welcome Social Justice Advocates — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1XtMvZN )

05:33:21 assbot: tim | The Christians and the Pagans: Part 1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1XtMwg9 )

05:33:45 ben_vulpes: "lived experience" not mattering a whit in contributions

05:33:51 ben_vulpes: but hey reasons i love this place

05:34:27 ben_vulpes: "no listen, we're super inclusive. get yourself a gpg key, get in the wot, read the logs, submit a patch, and we'll talk about it."

05:35:10 ben_vulpes: that this is too much trouble for anyone but a vanishingly tiny fraction of people is totally lost on the outside world.

05:36:53 ben_vulpes: another hilarious thing is that apparently that medium author doesn't know how to make a hyperlink

05:36:58 ben_vulpes: oh wait is that technical elitism?

05:40:59 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Butt, butt... that medium page only uses 9 lines of something resembling html when you view source...

05:45:02 asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1539

05:45:04 assbot: Loper OS » Yes, you can still get these. ... ( http://bit.ly/1XtNsB3 )

05:47:27 BingoBoingo: Nice

05:47:39 punkman: arew those the uv-erasable eproms?

05:47:42 asciilifeform: aha

05:49:42 kakobrekla: neat, last time i saw those was in 286 or so

05:52:16 ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: note the giant blob of json in the middle

05:52:35 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Sure, but does it count in lynx?

05:53:02 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-12-2015#1334432 << infamous sp4mz0rz, >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-09-2015#1265428

05:53:02 assbot: Logged on 01-12-2015 04:34:00; punkman: "Blockchain, blockchain, blockchain! It’s not the bitcoin anymore, right? Right (probably.) Join me at Disrupt London where I’ll be talking to Steve Waterhouse of Pantera Capital, Vitalik Buterin of Ethereum, and Austin Hill of BlockSteam. If anyone can make sense of the blockchain vs. bitcoin argument, it’s these guys."

05:53:02 assbot: Logged on 07-09-2015 18:10:40; trinque: ahaha I just got an e-mail from "pantera capital" addressed to [FirstName] inviting me to apply for funding.

05:53:17 ben_vulpes: no no of course not

05:54:09 ben_vulpes: but this is another undiscoverable entry in the great "mircea_popescu discovers how the kids are doing things today" saga

05:55:10 asciilifeform: 'When people criticise meritocracy, they're not criticising the concept of treating contributions based on their merit. They're criticising the idea that humans are sufficiently self-aware that they will be able to identify and reject every subconscious prejudice that will affect their treatment of others. ' << why in satan's green earth am i reading this ??

05:58:07 ben_vulpes: don't ruin the surprise, stan!

05:58:48 asciilifeform: i'ma go a something-else-'in

06:00:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18899 @ 0.00051364 = 9.7073 BTC [+]

06:01:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2044 @ 0.00051383 = 1.0503 BTC [+]

06:09:25 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform come back you didn't even get to "culturally diverse teams that work" http://merage.uci.edu/Resources/Documents/Culturally%20Diverse%20Teams%20that%20Work%20WEB.pdf

06:09:27 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1XtPSjh )

06:09:28 ben_vulpes: it's a pdf

06:09:32 ben_vulpes: you can't resist it

06:11:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22400 @ 0.00051217 = 11.4726 BTC [-] {2}

06:25:08 mircea_popescu: !up bitcoin066

06:27:27 BingoBoingo: ;;sleep

06:27:28 gribble: Error: "sleep" is not a valid command.

06:28:01 mircea_popescu: jesus fuck that esr page.

06:28:42 mircea_popescu: 500kb of text, 12 mb of html/js

06:30:48 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the shit you read.

06:36:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19972 @ 0.00050393 = 10.0645 BTC [-]

06:39:59 ben_vulpes: 12mb!?

06:40:08 ben_vulpes: oh i've got more

06:40:12 ben_vulpes: http://tim.dreamwidth.org/1729358.html

06:40:14 assbot: tim | Emotional Labor Day (Part 2) ... ( http://bit.ly/1l4ir5M )

06:41:01 ben_vulpes: "Many women are never raped, most women who are raped experience it only a handful of times, but in a sense it doesn't matter because the threats are constant, and women are trained to live in a state of hypervigilance of these threats"

06:50:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20400 @ 0.00050361 = 10.2736 BTC [-] {2}

06:53:08 adlai: from a sufficiently detached cis-privileged cynicism, this reads as "the only thing you have to fear is fear itself"

07:02:42 adlai: twas worth venturing thru the esr turd to emerge on the other side with "“Social Justice” has reached a sort of Poe’s Law singularity at which the behavior of trolls and true believers becomes indistinguishable even to each other"

07:05:33 ben_vulpes: "when nothing more than a (privately administered) slap on the wrist was ever done to let everyone in the department know" << oh now they want public humiliation

07:07:30 mircea_popescu: who has the authority to distribute "slaps on the wrist" again ?

07:07:37 mircea_popescu: maybe i meet one of these schmucks some day.

07:08:08 ben_vulpes: goes back to the moldbuggian "no authority *or* responsiblity in uni!" routine

07:08:14 mircea_popescu: in all psychosis, the interesting parts are always "what the psychotic subject fails to notice"

07:08:41 mircea_popescu: who exactly told random nobody that he's to be "slap wrists" ? "the beoble" ?

07:09:34 mircea_popescu: "our critique of structurally established, historically stable hierarchies is to replace them with a half baked, ad hoc, buggy, half-reimplementation" "why ?" "because it's easier to write than to read."

07:17:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00050345 = 10.069 BTC [-] {2}

07:54:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00050863 = 8.7993 BTC [+]

08:49:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18700 @ 0.00051468 = 9.6245 BTC [+] {4}

09:04:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9232 @ 0.00051572 = 4.7611 BTC [+] {2}

09:23:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00051636 = 5.68 BTC [+] {2}

09:24:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5735 @ 0.0005171 = 2.9656 BTC [+]

09:25:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25272 @ 0.00051734 = 13.0742 BTC [+] {2}

09:26:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13843 @ 0.00051774 = 7.1671 BTC [+]

09:40:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55750 @ 0.00052009 = 28.995 BTC [+] {5}

10:24:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21800 @ 0.00050844 = 11.084 BTC [-] {2}

10:41:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32121 @ 0.00050958 = 16.3682 BTC [+]

10:46:31 adlai: shame, even coinbrlive is a victim of dns tardation

10:47:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23563 @ 0.0005128 = 12.0831 BTC [+] {2}

11:15:38 punkman: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.arch.fpga/DDwLWc-hyyg

11:15:38 assbot: Google Groupes ... ( http://bit.ly/1QRliM8 )

11:16:36 punkman: (1995)

11:27:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00050769 = 4.1631 BTC [-]

11:33:24 shinohai: ;;ticker --market-all

11:33:24 gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market |all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitfinex. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the (1 more message)

11:33:32 shinohai: ;;ticker --market all

11:33:39 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 358.3, vol: 18948.64258114 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 355.3, vol: 15222.08396 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 357.26, vol: 47992.49139017 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 365.0, vol: 2.24926782 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 361.692267, vol: 90469.10830000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 359.49, vol: 382.13486625 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 363.23088, vol: 119.18017024 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)

11:47:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7245 @ 0.00050941 = 3.6907 BTC [+]

11:58:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36100 @ 0.0005124 = 18.4976 BTC [+] {2}

12:33:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26600 @ 0.00051238 = 13.6293 BTC [-]

12:58:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9412 @ 0.00051108 = 4.8103 BTC [-] {2}

13:21:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32931 @ 0.00050425 = 16.6055 BTC [-] {3}

13:23:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31000 @ 0.00050301 = 15.5933 BTC [-]

13:25:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39300 @ 0.0005066 = 19.9094 BTC [+] {3}

13:54:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24542 @ 0.00051304 = 12.591 BTC [+]

13:55:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5108 @ 0.00051221 = 2.6164 BTC [-]

14:01:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20242 @ 0.00051221 = 10.3682 BTC [-]

14:10:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35500 @ 0.00050261 = 17.8427 BTC [-]

14:20:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.0005014 = 3.5599 BTC [-] {2}

14:21:00 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

14:21:01 gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 361.25, Best ask: 361.26, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 361.26, 24 hour volume: 46993.1969887, 24 hour low: 353.1, 24 hour high: 380.49, 24 hour vwap: None

14:31:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 34 @ 0.03131884 = 1.0648 BTC [-]

14:31:07 mircea_popescu: and from the lulz dept, "Tome un blokium flex, pero se me corto de golpe el periodo, cosa no com?n, dado que nunca tube problemas cn mi periodo que me puede haber ocurrido??"

14:31:22 mircea_popescu: i dunno baybee.... maybe the pill embarassed you!

14:38:27 mircea_popescu: back in college, http://www.okwu.edu/blog/2015/11/this-is-not-a-day-care-its-a-university/

14:38:28 assbot: This is Not a Day Care. It's a University! - Oklahoma Wesleyan University ... ( http://bit.ly/1O0Ifq1 )

14:41:37 mircea_popescu: closing with

14:41:47 mircea_popescu: "Oklahoma Wesleyan is not a ?safe place?, but rather, a place to learn: to learn that life isn?t about you, but about others; that the bad feeling you have while listening to a sermon is called guilt; that the way to address it is to repent of everything that?s wrong with you rather than blame others for everything that?s wrong with them. This is a place where you will quickly learn that you need to grow up.

14:41:47 mircea_popescu: This is not a day care. This is a university!"

14:41:52 mircea_popescu: how old is this guy, 205 ?

14:50:52 deedbot-: [fraudsters] Good morning! - http://fraudsters.com/2015/good-morning/

15:00:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10105 @ 0.00050611 = 5.1142 BTC [+]

15:03:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31642 @ 0.00050104 = 15.8539 BTC [-] {2}

15:15:19 shinohai: Good morning indeed.

15:15:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.00050104 = 8.8183 BTC [-]

15:21:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17575 @ 0.00051164 = 8.9921 BTC [+] {3}

15:23:54 adlai: deedbot-: good morning

15:24:18 adlai: "Bad URL or sunshine outage"

15:25:20 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-12-2015#1334537 << famous among aficionados. 'neocad' actually reversed the time's xilinx fpga line. 'had to die.'

15:25:20 assbot: Logged on 01-12-2015 11:15:38; punkman: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.arch.fpga/DDwLWc-hyyg

15:25:44 asciilifeform: (they had not yet, then, hit upon the strategy of simply moving things around on the die to make this kind of effort meaningless)

15:26:45 asciilifeform: today reversing a xilinx chip is largely a waste of time, a good chunk of the functionality is in quite un-fpgaish special-purpose chunks which get reshuffled with each new model

15:30:39 adlai: it's not a waste of time, it's a 'student project'

15:35:55 mircea_popescu: in other lulz, qntra is got competrition! https://archive.is/iNmZ2

15:35:56 assbot: [Hiring] Correspondent – native speaker – job @ CoinTelegraph.com Blockchain Media Outlet ... ( http://bit.ly/1HDktDS )

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15:52:02 shinohai: "International team" lmao

16:26:48 pete_dushenski: www.nytimes.com/2015/11/30/world/middleeast/predatory-islamic-state-wrings-money-from-those-it-rules.html << because only tewowists imposes taxes mkay !

16:27:13 pete_dushenski: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/30/world/middleeast/predatory-islamic-state-wrings-money-from-those-it-rules.html

16:27:16 assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1lVyhzQ )

16:30:19 pete_dushenski: http://journal.sjdm.org/15/15923a/jdm15923a.pdf << and the latest psychology research confirms what we all knew : shannonisers more readily fool the less intelligent/more religious minds.

16:30:21 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1lVysv0 )

16:32:06 mircea_popescu: hahah predatory right ? unlike what,... the us ?

16:32:25 mircea_popescu: let me know when there's "those it rules" so desperate at the wringing of money they fly planes into isis irs headquarters

16:32:33 mircea_popescu: actually... let me know when there is an isis irs.

16:58:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11150 @ 0.00051532 = 5.7458 BTC [+]

16:59:11 pete_dushenski: "“They fight in the morning and they tax in the afternoon,” said Louise Shelley, the director of the Terrorism, Transnational Crime and Corruption Center at George Mason University." << this is apparently incomprehensible to the american mind. "whaddya mean there's a time of day when they don't tax ?"

16:59:43 mircea_popescu: check it out, usg has its own dedicated center.

17:00:28 pete_dushenski: 'trans' centre : needs renaming for moar fairness, less cis privilege

17:01:57 pete_dushenski: "In Raqqa, the Syrian city that is now the de facto capital of the Islamic State, a department called Diwan al-Khadamat, or the Office of Services, sends officials through the city markets to collect a cleaning tax — 2,500 to 5,000 Syrian pounds, or about $7 to $14, per month depending on the size of the shop. Residents go to collection points to pay their monthly electricity and water bills, 800 Syrian pounds

17:01:58 pete_dushenski: , or roughly $2.50 for electricity and 400 pounds, about $1.20, for water." << in which 'westerners' salivate over such meagre state imposition

17:02:05 mircea_popescu: this pretense that say france is a country because holy usg says it's a country, while isis is not a country because louise shelley acts as if it weren't...

17:02:14 mircea_popescu: da fuck has france got that isis doesn't.

17:02:44 mircea_popescu: hey, check it out, isis charges about the same tax tmsr charges.

17:03:05 pete_dushenski: terrorists are the future, i've been tellin ya

17:04:05 pete_dushenski: "The Islamic State also demands a cut of the revenues earned by small businesses. “We either pay in olive oil or cash, it depends on the production,”" << altcoins accepted for taxes too !!!1

17:04:33 pete_dushenski: i wish tmsr~ was that progressive...

17:04:57 pete_dushenski: o hey can the tithe^3 be payed in eulora coppers ??

17:05:21 pete_dushenski: lol payed !!

17:07:17 pete_dushenski: "Officials of the so-called caliphate dislike the term “tax,” preferring the Islamic term “zakat,” which refers to the alms Muslims are required to pay." << eerie similarity, neh.

17:07:51 pete_dushenski: lmao 'soi-dissant caliphate' but not 'soi-dissant nation of england' ?

17:10:43 pete_dushenski: "But in the long run, according to American officials, the surest way to significantly restrict the group’s finances will be to retake territory it controls, something that has been painstakingly slow so far, despite thousands of airstrikes." << waitwut airstrikes are hugely ineffective ?

17:10:46 pete_dushenski: obligatory : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=22-11-2015#1330014

17:10:46 assbot: Logged on 22-11-2015 23:43:08; mircea_popescu: here's a primer on airstrike efficiency : the brits did 7 (SEVEN!) mid-air refuellings for one of their rustbuckets to manage to drop ONE bomb on the one runway in the faulklands, "disabling" it

17:12:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6150 @ 0.00051515 = 3.1682 BTC [-]

17:15:12 pete_dushenski: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/03/fashion/the-2016-pirelli-calendar-may-signal-a-cultural-shift.html << sadface.

17:15:15 assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1MUy4FX )

17:16:06 pete_dushenski: http://cdni.condenast.co.uk/1280x1920/o_r/pirelli-calendar-may-1986-vogue-22nov13-pirelli.jpg << 1986 edition of 'pirelli calendar'

17:16:08 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MUyk7Z )

17:16:38 pete_dushenski: http://cdni.condenast.co.uk/1280x1920/a_c/2012_COVER-NATASHA.jpg << 2012...

17:16:39 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MUyrjE )

17:16:49 pete_dushenski: ima bbl.

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17:55:44 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

18:07:31 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-12-2015#1334599 << my (admittedly limited) understanding is that it runs on looted petro sold to turks, rather than taxes

18:07:31 assbot: Logged on 01-12-2015 17:01:57; pete_dushenski: "In Raqqa, the Syrian city that is now the de facto capital of the Islamic State, a department called Diwan al-Khadamat, or the Office of Services, sends officials through the city markets to collect a cleaning tax — 2,500 to 5,000 Syrian pounds, or about $7 to $14, per month depending on the size of the shop. Residents go to collection points to pay their monthly electricity and water bills, 800 S

18:09:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42857 @ 0.00051735 = 22.1721 BTC [+] {3}

18:09:50 ascii_field: from the l0ltr0ns: http://web.cs.ucdavis.edu/~rogaway/papers/moral-fn.pdf >>>>> http://dpaste.com/02AW7SH.txt

18:09:51 assbot: 404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1N1Y401 )

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18:10:46 ben_vulpes: http://jihadology.net/2015/10/12/the-archivist-unseen-documents-from-the-islamic-states-diwan-al-rikaz/ << relevant

18:10:48 assbot: The Archivist: Unseen Documents from the Islamic State’s Diwan al-Rikaz | JIHADOLOGY ... ( http://bit.ly/1N1YhQH )

18:11:28 ascii_field: ^ were they signed with isis pgp key ?

18:11:52 *: ben_vulpes rolls eyes

18:11:57 ascii_field: the one they made 100 american prisoners write in own blood on camera ?

18:12:02 ascii_field: or this has not yet happened.

18:12:15 *: adlai saw a great gif today, |S|S becomes a dollar and back again

18:12:18 adlai: in a loop

18:12:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12499 @ 0.00051772 = 6.471 BTC [+]

18:13:12 ascii_field: 'All antiquities, moved statues and unprocessed gold bullions are to be confiscated in the event that they are being passed through the border areas towards Turkey. And the confiscated goods are to be referred to the Diwan al-Rikaz office in the wilaya.... In the name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful ... The bearer of this document is permitted to procure equipment to search for gold and register it in the Diwan

18:13:12 ascii_field: al-Rikaz in Wilayat Halab.'

18:13:22 ben_vulpes: lmk when his lizardness does anything like that

18:15:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31700 @ 0.00051258 = 16.2488 BTC [-]

18:16:41 shinohai: !s http://www.coindesk.com/gaw-faces-ponzi-scheme-charges-from-sec/

18:16:42 assbot: SEC Charges GAW Miners CEO Josh Garza with Securities Fraud - CoinDesk ... ( http://bit.ly/1NowcXv )

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18:17:38 ascii_field: from earlier lol:

18:17:39 ascii_field: 'Never during the cold war, nor in any of the subsequent US wars, did US companies have difficulty recruiting or retaining the hundreds of thousands of scientists and engineers engaged in building weapons systems. Universities like my own were happy to add their support; the University of California would, for decades, run the USA's nuclear weapons design laboratories. In nearly 20 years advising

18:17:40 ascii_field: students at my university, I have observed that a wish for right livelihood almost never figures into the employment decisions of undergraduate computer science students. And this isn't unique to computer scientists: of the five most highly ranked websites I found on a Google search of deciding among job offers, not one suggests considering the institutional goals of the employer or the social worth of what they

18:17:40 ascii_field: do.'

18:21:49 ascii_field: 'Of course it hasn't escaped the notice of intelligence agencies that the vast majority of the academic cryptographic community is unthreateningly engaged. In a declassified trip-report about Eurocrypt 1992, the NSA author opines, for example: 'There were no proposals of cryptosystems, no novel cryptanalysis of old designs, even very little on hardware design. I really don't see how things could have

18:21:49 ascii_field: been better for our purposes.''

18:23:01 ascii_field: 'The NSA's newsletter in which this report appears would never again mention that academic cryptographic community. Nor did any released Snowden-derived document discuss anything of our community. It's as though we progressed from a band of philosophers worth a few pages of snarky commentary to an assemblage too insignificant even for that.'

18:23:06 ascii_field: awwwww poor buggers!!

18:23:26 ascii_field: where were you imbeciles when we phuctored ?

18:23:30 ascii_field: oh that's right

18:24:06 ascii_field: ...staring down own arseholes.

18:26:19 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

18:27:36 ascii_field: moar golden turd nuggets:

18:27:38 ascii_field: 'In a 2012 newsletter column, NSA's SIGINT Philosopher, Jacob Weber, tells us his vision. After failing an NSA lie-detector test, he says: 'I found myself wishing that my life would be constantly and completely monitored. It might seem odd that a self-professed libertarian would wish an Orwellian dystopia on himself, but here was my rationale: If people knew a few things about me, I might seem

18:27:38 ascii_field: suspicious. But if people knew everything about me, they'd see they had nothing to fear. This is the attitude I have brought to SIGINT work since then.''

18:29:21 ascii_field: lulzy and not entirely abysmal paper

18:29:24 ascii_field: recommended.

18:36:39 ascii_field: 'Dan Bernstein speaks of interesting crypto and boring crypto. Interesting crypto is crypto that supports plenty of academic papers. Boring crypto is crypto that simply works, solidly resists attacks, [and] never needs any upgrades." Dan asks, in his typically flippant way, 'What will happen if the crypto users convince some crypto researchers to actually create boring crypto? No more

18:36:39 ascii_field: real-world attacks. No more emergency upgrades. Limited audience for any minor attack improvements and for replacement crypto. This is an existential threat against future crypto research.' If this is boring crypto, I think we should go make some.'

18:37:14 trinque: this is a particularly lulzy american myth, that one only seeks power/control out of fear

18:39:12 ascii_field: trinque: typical bureaucrat folk seek only the holy trinity of mortgage, 'health,' and 'dental.

18:39:13 ascii_field: '

18:39:59 ascii_field: not really any different from, e.g., a bulldozerist

18:40:14 ascii_field: who will just as readily move corpses as dirt, if paid

18:42:22 ascii_field: '...there is now a mountain of work on secure-messaging, but it's unclear what most of it actually ~does.~'

18:43:01 deedbot-: [Qntra] US Securities And Exchange Commission Indicts GAW Over Ponzi - http://qntra.net/2015/12/us-securities-and-exchange-commission-indicts-gaw-over-ponzi/

18:44:10 ascii_field: very lulzy paper, poor academitard has half a brain, more than most of his colleagues certainly; understands that he and the rest are PAID TO SPAM - but doesn't see whatever could be the reason why his field is largely dross...

18:46:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23357 @ 0.00051128 = 11.942 BTC [-] {4}

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18:56:32 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

18:56:32 BingoBoingo: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CU7iDQPWwAEIQJI.jpg:large http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/group-resents-fat-people-shares-anti-gluttony-cards-article-1.2450325

18:56:32 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ImJX8R )

18:56:33 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ImK04l )

18:56:42 ascii_field: meanwhile, far from the well-fed world of academitardia,

18:56:45 ascii_field: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=144892124017990&w=2

18:56:47 assbot: 'Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?' - MARC ... ( http://bit.ly/1ImK18m )

18:57:19 BingoBoingo: 'Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?' - MARC ... ( http://bit.ly/1ImK18m ) << I put in lawgs last night

18:57:20 assbot: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=144892124017990&w=2 ... ( http://bit.ly/1ImK6sK )

18:57:24 ascii_field: aha

18:57:42 ascii_field: 'These days the CD revenue is about what a cashier at a store makes. It seems to keep shrinking, but I will try to keep doing it unless it nears zero; at which point the artwork will stop also.'

18:58:23 BingoBoingo: !s ponerty

18:58:24 assbot: 1 results for 'ponerty' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ponerty

18:59:12 ascii_field: evidently the set of folks 'happy with the pony trick' does not include anybody with spare change.

19:00:24 ascii_field: perhaps mircea_popescu oughta ask ben_vulpes to offer de raadt some wwwdev wurk.

19:01:50 trinque: how bout sell openbsd as a fucking product, you communists

19:02:03 trinque: give source too; it's a separate question

19:02:05 ascii_field: trinque: care to describe for my enlightenment ?

19:02:11 ascii_field: what means 'sell' ?

19:02:21 ascii_field: does it entail forbidding redistribution and republication ?

19:02:32 trinque: don't various lisp shops sell licenses but provide source?

19:02:45 ascii_field: this was quite common at one point.

19:02:51 trinque: so, that.

19:02:53 ascii_field: mostly died out because NOBODY BUYS

19:03:09 trinque: if the market doesn't want nice things they don't exist; that is a cultural problem

19:03:19 ascii_field: and they did not 'sell the product', this is a mistaken perception, they sold ~support contracts~

19:03:36 ascii_field: with serious commitment on both sides of the signing table.

19:04:23 ascii_field: http://ergoemacs.org/misc/xah_as_good_as_dead.html << another fella, relevant

19:04:24 assbot: I'm About as Good as Dead: the End of Xah Lee ... ( http://bit.ly/1ODj8fY )

19:04:42 jurov: !t m f.mpif

19:04:42 assbot: These beans is shit.

19:04:43 trinque: sounds like these things can't exist outside a WoT.

19:04:46 ascii_field: not a de raadt, certainly, but somebody who, imho, was a net plus sorta fella

19:04:54 ascii_field: rather than biodiesel candidate

19:05:03 ascii_field: and yet, afaik, he's gone.

19:05:18 jurov: kakobrekla: why? f.mpif did trade last month

19:06:13 ascii_field: trinque: the serious commitment thing existed when there was a population of serious people doing serious things with one another, supported by an actual economy with serious money circulating

19:06:56 trinque: certainly.

19:07:33 ascii_field: incidentally, afaik the last lisp co. to actually offer the source code this way was lispworks,

19:07:43 kakobrekla: jurov .ws is down

19:07:47 ascii_field: which was acquired by xanalys, a usg surveillanceatronics co.

19:08:33 ascii_field: who, likely, were simply tired of paying royalties on the runtime (yes!)

19:08:41 ascii_field: and decided to simply devour the tool vendor

19:10:01 ascii_field: aaaactually now that i recall it was franz who charged royalties

19:10:06 ascii_field: not lispworks

19:10:15 trinque: still alive eh?

19:10:23 ascii_field: but it is conceivable that xanalys was tired of paying for dev runtimes, which were expensive

19:10:55 ascii_field: the concept of ~paying for~ a programming system is - like it or not - unpalatable to most folks, incl. what remains of 'serious business'

19:10:56 trinque: if lispworks was in such a weak position that one client could purchase them in this manner, good for both parties.

19:11:21 ascii_field: my point was that it was in a weak position ~for a reason~

19:11:26 phf: re "sell services give away code", clozure associates (ccl people) recently laid off a bunch of their devs. including such heavyweights as rme and gbyers. presumably because like ascii said, nobody's buying

19:11:45 trinque: this is not a problem that can be solved on the end of a lispworks

19:11:51 ascii_field: even microshit gives away their compiler today

19:12:30 phf: note that ccl is used internally by google now, after they acquired ITA. only way to get money out of goog is presumably acquihire

19:12:33 ascii_field: trinque: back to openbsd, would you personally be willing to use an os with nonpublic source ?

19:12:40 ascii_field: i would not.

19:13:02 trinque: I would run something with source disclosed to me and those in my WoT

19:13:08 trinque: and don't care about public

19:13:38 ascii_field: trinque: my understanding is that qnx license includes (for a serious bag of dough) the source.

19:13:42 ascii_field: go, buy.

19:13:53 ascii_field: pretty spiffy commercial unix incidentally.

19:14:11 ascii_field: (runs, or at least at one point ran, a few reactors)

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19:14:48 trinque: Access to QNX source code is free, but commercial deployments of QNX Neutrino runtime components still require royalties, and commercial developers will continue to pay for QNX Momentics® development seats. However, noncommercial developers, academic faculty members, and qualified partners will be given access to QNX development tools and runtime products at no charge.

19:14:49 phf: franz and lispworks both do source disclosure. i'm pretty sure the only way franz survives is by having ridiculously low overheads, combined with aggressive licensing policy about their technology, some of which doesn't have any equivalents in the open market.

19:15:02 trinque: aside from the WoT aspect this is exactly what I proposed

19:15:16 trinque: and how is qnx doing financially?

19:15:25 BingoBoingo: Owned by Blackberry

19:15:30 BingoBoingo: So...

19:15:42 ascii_field: aha.

19:15:54 ascii_field: NOBODY PAYS

19:15:58 trinque: that was a purchase, correct?

19:15:59 ascii_field: for motherfucking sunlight.

19:16:02 trinque: how were they doing before

19:16:06 trinque: it's not sunlight

19:16:12 trinque: your USSR is showing

19:16:33 ascii_field: i'm breathing unmetered public air, even

19:16:37 ascii_field: comyooonizm!!!!

19:16:47 trinque: nobody invented the fucking air

19:17:17 ascii_field: wai wut i missed the memo, we're paying inventors for things now ?

19:17:44 trinque: not them, but the companies that own them

19:18:05 ascii_field: trinque: did you send your cheque to SCO yet ?

19:18:12 ascii_field: for the linux ransom ?

19:18:18 trinque: blackberry bought them to have something that *makes money*

19:18:31 trinque: this is nonsense; people pay for technology every day

19:18:43 trinque: that the software field was overrun by communists notwithstanding

19:18:46 ascii_field: at any rate, i would not mind living in the 1980s world where serious folks bought support contracts for serious os, etc

19:18:51 ascii_field: but i don't live there.

19:18:57 jurov: kakobrekla: it will stay down forever, see http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=30-11-2015#1334078

19:18:57 assbot: Logged on 30-11-2015 15:39:58; mircea_popescu: so : the new proxy list is http://mpex.biz/ ; http://mpex.co/ ; http://mpex.re/ ; http://mpex.site/

19:19:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47150 @ 0.00052128 = 24.5784 BTC [+] {7}

19:20:11 trinque: ascii_field: yep, what makes for a growing and healthy software industry may not be possible on this side of things.

19:20:18 jurov: $proxies

19:20:21 trinque: but I'm not going to base the definition of that on "microshit does X"

19:20:33 trinque: whether we live in walmartia or not

19:21:01 ascii_field: trinque: microshit, and the few and feeble weapons which have been built to put up some sort of fight against it, entirely demolished the 'healthy commercial software' thing

19:21:23 ascii_field: i don't personally expect to live to see it come back in any recognizable form.

19:22:49 BingoBoingo: http://www.markfickett.com/stuff/artPage.php?id=389 << Six sides good, more sides bad

19:22:50 assbot: Mark Fickett | Art Stuff | Dice Roller ... ( http://bit.ly/1ImNG64 )

19:24:31 ascii_field: BingoBoingo: can't help but wonder how much he was ~actually~ testing his OCR's defects.

19:24:34 ascii_field: rather than the dice

19:25:17 BingoBoingo: Well, for that you test with single sided dice.

19:25:42 trinque: !b 5

19:25:44 assbot: Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1W05EWQ.txt )

19:27:04 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

19:29:48 ascii_field: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/11/fbis-suicide-letter-dr-martin-luther-king-jr-and-dangers-unchecked-surveillance << lulzy usgism

19:29:50 assbot: FBI's "Suicide Letter" to Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., and the Dangers of Unchecked Surveillance | Electronic Frontier Foundation ... ( http://bit.ly/1ImOTKV )

19:33:32 jurov: what about adding a debiasing mechanism to dice? it would measure the statistics and try to correct by moving internal weight around

19:33:40 *: jurov runs to kixstarter

19:33:56 ascii_field: don't forget to include gsm modem !!111

19:35:17 jurov: rfid would be better fit ;D

19:36:32 BingoBoingo: Fuck it, stick a dildo motor in the dice

19:37:53 trinque: needs to be able to flash the firmware too; what if we shipped a bug

19:39:21 adlai: soon enough, casinos are required to have debiasing dice, and put their data dumps in deedbot-

19:39:31 adlai: because provable transparency

19:39:36 adlai: er 'provably fair'

19:40:16 BingoBoingo: six sided dice are fair enough. 20 is inherently unstable like their users.

19:40:24 jurov: also, the dice must detect presence of mentally challenged persons and adjust accordingly

19:41:21 adlai: but this is unfair, siliconkin telekinesis witches can fool the biasing circuits in their favor

19:41:31 jurov: i'd like to see your one-sided dice. something like riemann surface comes to mind

19:42:50 jurov: er... klein bottle

19:44:19 BingoBoingo: One sided dice are used all the time at the poker table

19:46:03 kakobrekla: jurov that line does not say 'it will stay down forever'

19:46:35 jurov: okay i was overly dramatic. but .ws is not there, that's all

19:48:16 kakobrekla: if its not coming back in a reasonable time i will change it. perhaps mp will clear this up.

19:50:03 jurov: it relates nicely to yest discussion... everyone just comes here to dump their mind

19:51:02 BingoBoingo: mind needs to shit too

19:51:14 jurov: info like mpex proxies belongs to wiki or some other discoverable place. but ppl refuse to put it there

19:55:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11457 @ 0.00052383 = 6.0015 BTC [+] {2}

20:03:04 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

20:04:48 ascii_field: 'Providing strong funding for FHE and iO provides risk-free political cover. It supports a storyline that cloud storage and computing is safe. It helps entrench favored values within the cryptographic community: speculative, theory-centric directions. And it helps keep harmless academics who could, if they got feisty, start to innovate in more sensitive directions.'

20:05:43 ascii_field: ^ this re: the 'homomorphic' claptrap

20:09:35 adlai: deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/3AETZJP.txt

20:09:36 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1O1zZpY )

20:09:38 deedbot-: accepted: 1

20:10:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6332 @ 0.00051664 = 3.2714 BTC [-] {2}

20:11:04 jurov: it that why ussr/russia won't fund the real thing, either?

20:11:26 ascii_field: jurov: which thing

20:11:42 jurov: boring crypto

20:12:14 ascii_field: jurov: su state of the art re: crypto, as far as i can tell, was ~deadly boring~ - good ol' vernam otp

20:12:46 ascii_field: just as perfect (or 'unusable', take your pick) today as it was in 1918.

20:15:12 ascii_field: i recently bought an interesting monograph re: sov crypto 1930s-1950s

20:15:49 ascii_field: very interesting in the 'orc' perspective - military folk did not trust (largely correctly!) their cipher machines and remote communication in general.

20:16:55 ascii_field: ('serious' crypto was strictly otp in su lands, as it is today. field crypto was, often, 19th c.-style transposition derpery, relying largely on the very short useful life of the message to avoid being broken)

20:17:06 adlai: jurov: 'live' charts are still dead

20:18:29 jurov: aye

20:18:44 ascii_field: adlai: re: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=29-11-2015#1333440 - wtf ?!

20:18:44 assbot: Logged on 29-11-2015 14:46:13; adlai: deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/181NDV6.txt

20:18:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5250 @ 0.00051089 = 2.6822 BTC [-] {2}

20:19:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00051089 = 6.4372 BTC [-]

20:19:55 *: ascii_field is rather curious re: what adlai thinks he is doing

20:20:03 trinque: what is that

20:20:13 ascii_field: another pseudopgpgram

20:20:24 ascii_field: evidently meant as a riddle for us

20:20:50 adlai: base64 dont cut it now?

20:20:56 adlai: damn

20:21:14 adlai: maybe base58 next

20:21:40 ascii_field: adlai: does this one tell us where the gold is buried ?

20:21:52 ascii_field: because if so i might be willing to spend a little more time on it

20:22:39 ascii_field: http://krebsonsecurity.com/2015/12/dhs-giving-firms-free-penetration-tests << from the l0lnet

20:22:42 adlai: The Gold It's in the... https://youtu.be/aFD_WVKZ1dA

20:22:43 assbot: jew gold - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1O1BJPY )

20:22:47 ascii_field: '...if you look at the recently discovered back door installs that happened during the Olympics under the guise of helping secure the system that this also provides pretty open access to corporations in the US for the same type of subterfuge. Free security scanning all for the low price of a well placed back door.'

20:23:23 danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-12-2015#1334691 << i have been buying each cd set since 5.5

20:23:23 assbot: Logged on 01-12-2015 18:59:12; ascii_field: evidently the set of folks 'happy with the pony trick' does not include anybody with spare change.

20:23:41 ascii_field: danielpbarron: neato

20:23:49 adlai: funny that you mention it, but cleartext actually does attempt rainbow triangulation

20:24:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24968 @ 0.00051383 = 12.8293 BTC [+]

20:26:34 ascii_field: BingoBoingo, mircea_popescu, et al : does anyone else find that krebsonsecurity refuses to load from archive.is ?

20:27:41 ascii_field: i suspect now that krebs has it iptable-banned

20:27:55 ascii_field: and it would be interesting to learn what he has to say for himself.

20:30:36 jurov: deedbot-: http://explo.yt/public/fmpif_201511.txt.asc

20:30:37 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ImXXiN )

20:30:38 deedbot-: accepted: 1

20:30:45 jurov: deedbot-: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20151201/attachment_323deb4e48e875e9e4b0bed9c8b12befdd0c110d.txt

20:30:46 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ImY0Lx )

20:30:47 deedbot-: accepted: 1

20:32:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6010 @ 0.00052042 = 3.1277 BTC [+]

20:36:21 adlai: !up thestringpuller

20:37:05 thestringpuller: in regards to BIP 101 >> http://imgur.com/EzYzrNd

20:38:13 adlai: http://dpaste.com/0YFMGDY.txt

20:38:14 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1O1DKvp )

20:38:16 adlai: deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/0YFMGDY.txt

20:38:17 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1O1DKvp )

20:38:18 deedbot-: accepted: 1

20:38:27 adlai: !s vexual edition

20:38:29 assbot: 2 results for 'vexual edition' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=vexual+edition

20:39:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46003 @ 0.00051345 = 23.6202 BTC [-] {6}

20:40:27 ben_vulpes: adlai: what /are/ you doing?

20:41:06 trinque: performance art eh?

20:41:22 *: adlai is doing deeds, isn't that how they're supposed to verb?

20:41:42 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

20:41:45 ascii_field: 'HELP! he cried, but no one seemed to hear / "You just solve these equations, then you're free!"' << notbad.jpg

20:42:04 adlai: !s theorems to prove

20:42:08 assbot: 8 results for 'theorems to prove' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=theorems+to+prove

20:42:49 adlai: erdos (aside from being cis white male etc etc) also had the priviledge of /choice/

20:43:22 ascii_field: adlai: choice of what ?

20:43:43 adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-12-2015#1334872

20:43:43 assbot: Logged on 01-12-2015 20:42:08; assbot: 8 results for 'theorems to prove' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=theorems+to+prove

20:44:02 ascii_field: choice... of theorems ?

20:44:19 adlai: literally too, but that's not the point

20:45:05 ascii_field: then of what ?

20:45:14 adlai: jules (samueL jackson's char in pulp fiction) would've killed to walk like erdos

20:50:19 punkman: there's another puzzle in the deeds with some future-gold. would buy you about a bag of coal right now.

20:51:59 adlai: well deedbot pisses gold dust if you hold the sieve just right

20:53:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27643 @ 0.00050861 = 14.0595 BTC [-] {3}

20:53:56 adlai: as does s.mpoe

20:54:04 shinohai: adlai: anything will give you gold if you hold the sieve correctly.

20:54:08 punkman: BingoBoingo: six sided dice are fair enough. 20 is inherently unstable like their users. << I wonder why nobody's selling loaded 20sided dice

20:54:12 shinohai: ^_____________^

20:55:45 trinque: adlai: enjoy your cheeseburger

20:55:57 adlai: ?

20:56:10 adlai: not halal

20:56:51 punkman: are edible gold flakes halal?

20:58:12 trinque: adlai: I assume you have been verifying the deeds by picking up the dust

20:58:54 adlai: some of them, yes. i deeded my tool itself, http://deedbot.org/deed-381528-1.txt

20:58:54 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1In0o4S )

20:59:11 trinque: saw that, neato

20:59:33 ascii_field: 'Marginalized people also suffer some of the unintended consequences of dogmatic insistence on meritocratic principles of governance. Studies have show that organizational cultures that value meritocracy often result in greater inequality. People with "merit" are often excused for their bad behavior in public spaces based on the value of their technical contributions. Meritocracy also naively assumes a level playing

20:59:33 ascii_field: field, in which everyone has access to the same resources, free time, and common life experiences to draw upon. These factors and more make contributing to open source a daunting prospect for many people, especially women and other underrepresented people. (For more critical analysis of meritocracy, refer to this entry on the Geek Feminism wiki.)' << from ben_vulpes's link

20:59:50 shinohai: fukkin a adlai

21:00:02 adlai: fukkin a.

21:00:08 ascii_field: http://contributor-covenant.org/version/1/3/0/code_of_conduct.txt << mircea_popescu will love this one

21:00:09 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1In0w4o )

21:00:40 ascii_field: can hardly wait till this merges with what's left of gpl and turns into a 'viral license' or whatnot

21:01:03 trinque: the inevitability of this is undeniable

21:01:51 shinohai: as for halal ... lamb chops on the grille tonite

21:02:36 *: mircea_popescu is actually not going to bother reading it.

21:02:48 ascii_field: mircea_popescu just saved a good 10 secondz!

21:02:52 mircea_popescu: ;;google how to deal withg pseudoscience

21:02:53 gribble: Distinguishing Science and Pseudoscience - Quackwatch: ; Examples of Pseudoscience: ; Pseudoscience - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia:

21:02:57 thestringpuller: adlai: referring to walk the earth?

21:03:09 shinohai: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p212848xPzM <<< music to slaughter goats by

21:03:10 assbot: Rootwater - Hava Nagila - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1O1Hcq3 )

21:03:35 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: however, the site had a handy list of derps who caved and signed the oath.

21:04:25 mircea_popescu: quote it

21:05:11 trinque: looks like a bunch of already irrelevant JS and Ruby garbage

21:06:13 mircea_popescu: so then who cares.

21:07:20 mircea_popescu: in other lulz, http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_29130615/argentine-president-overrides-extradition-man-charged-denver-murder

21:07:22 assbot: Argentine president overrides extradition of man charged in Denver murder - The Denver Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1In1i1q )

21:07:52 punkman: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/01/technology/in-a-global-market-for-hacking-talent-argentines-stand-out.html

21:07:55 assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1In1mxX )

21:08:57 mircea_popescu: bwahahaha

21:09:25 mircea_popescu: and in a global market for picking cotton americans stand out.

21:09:47 mircea_popescu: the ~5 or so people who can code weren't born here. the rest can't do change in their head.

21:09:51 ben_vulpes: rates in ars are only ~20% below those in michigan, and that doesn't even start to include cost of doing business with argentines.

21:10:24 mircea_popescu: slaves only. i have nfi what one'd have to have for skull filler to "do business" with argentines.

21:10:50 ascii_field: Atom, AngularJS, angular-formly, Babel, Bundler, chef-rvm, Diaspora, Eclipse, Elixir, Exercism.io, GitLab, HaskellNow.org, Homebrew-Cask, Jekyll, Lotus, Mensa, Monsti CMS, Mozilla Webmaker, Rails, ROM, RSpec, ruby-community, RubyGems.org, RVM, Shoes, Spree, TinyMCE, Volt.rb'

21:10:53 ben_vulpes: you'd probably pay them what they think they're worth

21:11:09 ascii_field: ^ i've only ever ~heard~, much less seen alive, a few of these

21:11:15 ben_vulpes: anyways in "us becoming argentina" nyooz, today for the first time in my life a coffee shop failed to produce exact change

21:11:38 ben_vulpes: note: not /haskell/ but /haskellnow.org/

21:11:39 mircea_popescu: ascii_field these are names ?!

21:11:53 ben_vulpes: which hilariously does not resolve?

21:12:14 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: software projects / orgs. i can't be arsed to produce the human names

21:12:24 mircea_popescu: dude you gotta be kidding me, three fat chicks in colorado made up a bunch of strings and now you're quoting them at me ?

21:12:34 trinque: everything I recognize in that list is a pile of useless shit

21:12:39 jurov: adlai: coinbrlive is on, with bonus hacky multiple mpex proxies support to make everyone's eyes bleed moar

21:12:46 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

21:12:54 ascii_field: trinque: as far as i can see, aha

21:13:06 mircea_popescu: rubygems.org sounds like a sort of expert sexchange thing\

21:13:15 ben_vulpes: jurov: cool! any arbportunities across the proxies?

21:13:23 mircea_popescu: ahahaha wut

21:13:27 ben_vulpes: "rubygems is down, can't deploy today"

21:13:32 ascii_field: and 'eclipse' is a kludgy text editor thing, i used it at uni once

21:13:32 ben_vulpes: ;)

21:13:58 ascii_field: (and then again a few years ago, it was built into a proprietary software turd)

21:14:01 ben_vulpes: java ide non?

21:14:04 adlai: jurov: tyvm

21:14:06 jurov: ben_vulpes: only if find out how to arbitrage clock time

21:14:07 adlai: !up thestringpuller

21:14:08 ascii_field: ben_vulpes: originally

21:14:13 adlai: thestringpuller: yes

21:14:32 ben_vulpes: jurov: i've got these quantum bitcoins that might work in arbing the proxies

21:15:18 BingoBoingo: i suspect now that krebs has it iptable-banned << I've noticed a few other sites seem to offer archive.is null as well

21:15:41 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes hysterical story : one of my sluts went to "free drama class" organised by some argentine. derp refused to give her the reading material claiming the first class is just a social call.

21:16:05 mircea_popescu: who then proceeded to a) have them read some inept turdball he DIDNT HAVE COPIES OF and b) demand $300 from participants

21:16:10 mircea_popescu: which the other derps ACTUALLY PAID

21:16:29 jurov: hard us$ ??

21:16:31 ascii_field: 'Argentina's president has blocked the extradition of a Denver fugitive who claims he was framed for murder because video he took of ground zero proves U.S. complicity in the 9/11 terrorist attacks.' << lulzy

21:16:32 mircea_popescu: bonus points, she doesn't wear panties and the thing involved a lot of bending over.

21:16:36 mircea_popescu: jurov nah their shitty peso thing

21:16:39 mircea_popescu: ~20 bux

21:16:45 jurov: aok

21:17:01 mircea_popescu: which was the first time anyone in the dumb country ever saw someone else's cunt, seeing how, well... they don't do the cunt thing here.

21:17:22 ben_vulpes: catholics. only good thing about catholics are catholic school girls.

21:17:28 mircea_popescu: by and large, argentines aren't qualified to be mexicans.

21:17:59 ben_vulpes: "oh, you're going to send your daughter to st. mary's? awesome! i knew a bunch of girls from there in HS."

21:18:16 ascii_field: 'Sonnenfeld called 911 dispatchers in the early morning of Jan. 1, 2002, a few months after the terror attacks, claiming that his wife had shot herself in the head. Denver police, believing the scene was staged, arrested Sonnenfeld that morning. But prosecutors in the office of former Denver District Attorney Bill Ritter, who later became governor, dismissed the charges several months later because of insufficient

21:18:16 ascii_field: evidence at the time. The following year, murder charges were refiled ...'

21:18:17 *: ben_vulpes lecherous grin

21:18:21 mircea_popescu: "hackers" my foot. do you know how many people that are "bitcoin traders" EVEN KNOW what pgp is ?

21:18:24 mircea_popescu: or don't run windows ?

21:19:11 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes they do have problems being the only naked person in the room, at least for the first week or so.

21:19:26 mircea_popescu: but otherwise, the advantage of imbecility : doesn't remember anything for too long.

21:19:39 ben_vulpes: i wasn't playing those games at that age

21:20:03 ascii_field: the way mircea_popescu describes his town, one could almost conclude he is in africa ?

21:20:27 mircea_popescu: i am in africa, yes.

21:20:54 *: ben_vulpes thinks

21:21:02 ben_vulpes: tango lesson wasn't worth the twenty bucks either in retrospect.

21:21:04 mircea_popescu: how else do you explain all the chinese swarming the place.

21:21:11 ben_vulpes: shoulda just gone and humiliated myself at the milonga

21:22:12 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i dunno why you'd even consider taking "lessons" from an outfit that has a) < 20 females and b) average age over 20.

21:22:19 mircea_popescu: why the fuck, what is this, ged ?

21:22:33 mircea_popescu: you wanna run a dancery, better beg rob or pay some women to be there.

21:22:47 ben_vulpes: because i had limited time and was drinking with the asshats all the other days?

21:23:26 *: ben_vulpes doesn't dance in places like that at home

21:24:01 *: mircea_popescu vaguely considered opening a non-retarded club

21:24:03 mircea_popescu: but meh.

21:25:41 mircea_popescu: i can't be arsed to read a nyt piece. so what, the pirelli calendar can't compete with internet porn, is going to no longer display nudity ?

21:25:53 mircea_popescu: totally cultural shift. ie, away from books.

21:26:34 punkman: "EkoParty began as a small gathering of Argentine hackers who exchanged their discoveries over the web. Today, hundreds of Argentine hackers, ranging from 14 to 45 years old, line up around the block to show off their skills to executives from Silicon Valley start-ups like Synack, a security company, as well as more established consulting firms like Deloitte"

21:28:46 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-12-2015#1334657 << heh

21:28:46 assbot: Logged on 01-12-2015 18:23:26; ascii_field: where were you imbeciles when we phuctored ?

21:29:15 mircea_popescu: punkman right. they make a decent show of being whores, except they then want to be paid for status not for work.

21:30:49 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-12-2015#1334669 << adn what do you seek ? adventure and the thrill of the kill ?

21:30:49 assbot: Logged on 01-12-2015 18:39:12; ascii_field: trinque: typical bureaucrat folk seek only the holy trinity of mortgage, 'health,' and 'dental.

21:31:15 mircea_popescu: they don't seek "mortgage, health and dental". they seek to be "free to dedicate themselves to intellectual work, as they define it".

21:31:50 ben_vulpes: i never got the dental

21:31:56 ben_vulpes: what, do people not make friends with dentists?

21:33:07 mircea_popescu: somehow all the hotties ended up in dentistry in romania

21:33:23 mircea_popescu: i went for a checkup and never wanted to fucking leave cca 2013

21:34:04 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-12-2015#1334993 << i do sloth, avarice, wrath, and lust.

21:34:04 assbot: Logged on 01-12-2015 21:30:49; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-12-2015#1334669 << adn what do you seek ? adventure and the thrill of the kill ?

21:34:27 mircea_popescu: ...

21:34:58 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-12-2015#1334692 << no ty. he had his chance in 2013 or wehn was it, and shat all over the food dispenser.

21:34:58 assbot: Logged on 01-12-2015 19:00:24; ascii_field: perhaps mircea_popescu oughta ask ben_vulpes to offer de raadt some wwwdev wurk.

21:35:17 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: aha i recall now!

21:35:31 ben_vulpes: dude wwwdev is a fraction of the throughput

21:35:33 ascii_field: worse, iirc he permitted some monkey to shit in it in his place

21:35:53 ben_vulpes: its like 80% tappy screens

21:38:05 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-12-2015#1334728 << the fundamental problem with all of this is the "open market" approach to things.

21:38:05 assbot: Logged on 01-12-2015 19:11:26; phf: re "sell services give away code", clozure associates (ccl people) recently laid off a bunch of their devs. including such heavyweights as rme and gbyers. presumably because like ascii said, nobody's buying

21:38:16 mircea_popescu: why the fuck would you sell access ? who are these schmucks that they may buy ?

21:38:21 mircea_popescu: the chinese ain't selling jack.

21:38:50 mircea_popescu: you don't sell. you cut a deal with ONE competitor in a field, and that's that. the rest all die because they can't deploy computers that work.

21:41:40 ascii_field: --'hi, i'm selling computer that works.' --'does it run msoffice?' --'...' --[click]

21:42:20 mircea_popescu: mno.

21:42:57 mircea_popescu: advertisement : are you tired of wasting your time in queues at Shitty Supermarkets ? So move on to TMSR Supermarkets - their computer systems don't die every other hour for half an hour.

21:42:59 mircea_popescu: that's it.

21:43:09 ascii_field: presently i'm not convinced that any computer uses really... wants to live, all that much. wake me up when uranium centrifuge no longer runs winblowz, i might reconsider this theory

21:43:09 mircea_popescu: you don't call SS and pitch them.

21:43:14 mircea_popescu: and they call you and you hang up

21:43:16 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

21:43:17 mircea_popescu: they can't have it for any price

21:43:27 mircea_popescu: they sell the store to TMSR Supermarkets. at a discount.

21:44:04 mircea_popescu: the notion of "things, for people" is broken.

21:44:10 mircea_popescu: "good things ONLY for good people"

21:44:37 mircea_popescu: and if you don't have them you're not a person and your death won't be prosecutable. and that's that.

21:44:47 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: this is a logical picture, but how does vendor amortize the cost of producing the magic ?

21:45:05 mircea_popescu: vendor does not amortize.

21:45:15 ascii_field: vendor finds buried treasure instead ?

21:45:18 ascii_field: am i thick?

21:45:20 mircea_popescu: mnope.

21:45:26 mircea_popescu: what's to amortize ?

21:45:34 ascii_field: or will grocery store pay for fabbing si

21:45:44 ascii_field: so it can have noncrashing checkouts

21:45:57 mircea_popescu: in shares.

21:47:08 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-12-2015#1334802 << i have no idea why the namecheap redirect dfoesn't work and i dun really wanna go dig into it.

21:47:08 assbot: Logged on 01-12-2015 19:48:16; kakobrekla: if its not coming back in a reasonable time i will change it. perhaps mp will clear this up.

21:47:13 mircea_popescu: fucktards can't do anything right

21:47:31 ascii_field: iirc the miner asic projects that did straight-and-honest shares - flopped; the scumbags who took preorders and mined with the machines for months, years - won.

21:48:38 ascii_field: but i could be mistaken, wasn't fully awake for this mess

21:49:08 mircea_popescu: ascii_field nah. the only one that won actually had shares (asicminer). the rest all flopped. especially the scumbags.

21:49:40 ascii_field: wasn't it a 'permanent mining bond' scamatron ?

21:49:46 kakobrekla: asicminer flopped as well.

21:49:47 ben_vulpes: > dig into it

21:50:13 ben_vulpes: p. good pun even if accidental

21:51:06 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-12-2015#1335012 << the chinese are selling, to anyone who will buy, the one and only thing they have in abundance - coolie sweat

21:51:06 assbot: Logged on 01-12-2015 21:38:21; mircea_popescu: the chinese ain't selling jack.

21:51:28 ascii_field: (sometimes solidified into hardware)

21:53:12 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-12-2015#1335022 << btw edison tried this with his film projector. it did not work.

21:53:12 assbot: Logged on 01-12-2015 21:43:17; mircea_popescu: they can't have it for any price

21:53:33 ascii_field: eventually the scum do what it takes to be rid of you and take your $tech by force

21:53:44 ascii_field: or deception, or betrayal, etc.

21:57:08 ascii_field: sorta a rehash of the 'intellectual property' wank. inanimate objects, once you're done making them, don't have a 'will' to propagate your intent, whatever it was, when you made them

21:57:28 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla anyway, redirects re-added. i wouldn't reallty expect them to work, seeing how namecheap, but anyway. im not renewing .bz or .ws because the new registrar doesn't carry them

21:57:40 ascii_field: american cpu is just as happy to be reverse-engineered by a ru schmuck as it is to calculate payroll for chrysler

21:58:21 mircea_popescu: ascii_field define "it did not work"

21:58:54 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: edison's heirs do not control film industry today

21:58:59 mircea_popescu: fucktards can';t even be arsed to KNOW phuctor exists ?

21:59:19 mircea_popescu: and the few and far between people who can actually do things are NOT going to want to be with us ? but prefer to serve the fuctard empire ?

21:59:24 mircea_popescu: mk, this is a sight i wish to see.

21:59:25 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i'm pretty sure they ~knew~ of it. the ignorance was ~studied indifference~

21:59:45 mircea_popescu: looky : it's not JUST that i can't give less of a shit what the wash-popo writes

21:59:54 mircea_popescu: it's not just that "how to deal with pseudoscience"

22:00:03 mircea_popescu: it's that the whole fucking shebang of idiots can be safely ignored.

22:00:13 mircea_popescu: all they'll do about it is whine. "oh this projector is not user friendly"

22:00:22 mircea_popescu: o yeah ? tell your mother being ugly is no excuse to fuck drunks.

22:00:42 *: ascii_field would much like to live on the planet where they can be safely ignored. yes, i hear it's a nice place, good climate, hot chixx

22:00:45 mircea_popescu: sure, someone somewhere will "steal" it. and ?

22:00:55 mircea_popescu: who're they gonna want to tell all about it ? me or president bahamas ?

22:01:48 ascii_field: unfortunately the muppets aren't harmless

22:01:58 ascii_field: as described in mircea_popescu's 'problem of too much money' mega-article

22:02:00 mircea_popescu: they aren't harmless to you because you're addicted to your dental.

22:02:04 mircea_popescu: carry on, but don't expect me to care.

22:02:13 ascii_field: not speaking of my corpse here

22:02:28 ascii_field: but of the muppets' collective ability to destroy entire fields by skewing incentives

22:02:34 ascii_field: (e.g., go and buy sane cpu)

22:02:48 mircea_popescu: no field was "destroyed"

22:02:53 mircea_popescu: the sane cpu never existed.

22:03:02 mircea_popescu: it has this in common with all the OTHER things thart were never made.

22:03:08 mircea_popescu: their absence is the result of no destruction.

22:03:11 ascii_field: aha because nobody, sane or otherwise, wants to pay the $1m/each.

22:03:15 mircea_popescu: no.

22:03:25 mircea_popescu: it doesn't exist. absence admits no cause.

22:04:10 ascii_field: what is this aristotelian claptrap. i can readily describe the exact cause of, say, absence of icicle on the surface of the sun.

22:04:23 *: ascii_field hurriedly straps on gas mask

22:04:23 mircea_popescu: ...

22:04:49 jurov: http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/block/miscellaneous_symbols_and_pictographs/images.htm << while you have the mask

22:04:50 assbot: Unicode Characters in the Miscellaneous Symbols and Pictographs Block ... ( http://bit.ly/1O1Q3Ia )

22:04:57 mircea_popescu: stick to explaining the absence of "real" enemies of usg as well as the absence of non-white swans.

22:06:05 ascii_field: ????

22:06:13 ascii_field: ^ does this actually display on anybody's terminal ?

22:06:24 ascii_field: jurov: sc4m!!1111

22:06:34 mircea_popescu: god damned it if i wanted 3pt cartouches i'd have learned egyptian

22:06:35 jurov: yes, i see it fine

22:07:04 jurov: mircea_popescu: what about submitting symbols for sexual positions

22:07:06 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: pretty sure eg hieroglyphs ~are~ in unicode presently

22:08:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40900 @ 0.00050982 = 20.8516 BTC [-] {4}

22:08:48 mircea_popescu: jurov what about it ?

22:09:15 jurov: if you would at least review the list

22:09:23 mircea_popescu: mneah.

22:10:43 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-12-2015#1334831 <<< ever sorted out the matchstick problem ?

22:10:43 assbot: Logged on 01-12-2015 20:20:24; ascii_field: evidently meant as a riddle for us

22:10:48 mircea_popescu: speaking of evidently a riddle.

22:11:18 *: ascii_field will admit that he thinks about it with some regularity, but will not claim to have a correct solution

22:11:55 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-12-2015#1334846 << i dun think i ever read krebs' thing.

22:11:55 assbot: Logged on 01-12-2015 20:26:34; ascii_field: BingoBoingo, mircea_popescu, et al : does anyone else find that krebsonsecurity refuses to load from archive.is ?

22:12:17 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: though my brother laughed when i described it, but would not say moar

22:12:19 *: mircea_popescu enjoys a good riddle, especially when he's on the right end of it.

22:12:28 *: ascii_field likes riddles very much

22:12:49 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: krebs is a spam zoologist

22:13:02 ascii_field: with a great deal of 'mainstream media' exposure

22:13:13 ascii_field: but not (afaik) an ~obvious~ tool.

22:13:45 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

22:15:29 deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Wash-a-by-baby. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/12/01/wash-a-by-baby/

22:18:38 jurov: ;;later tell pete_dushenski is that ...err.. something visible in the third pic?

22:18:38 gribble: The operation succeeded.

22:19:57 jurov: nah, baby's leg

22:21:19 pete_dushenski: omfg jurov don't scare me like that

22:22:34 BingoBoingo: Early 2014. Bob Beck was the one to shit all over the opportunity http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-12-2015#1335003

22:22:34 assbot: Logged on 01-12-2015 21:34:58; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-12-2015#1334692 << no ty. he had his chance in 2013 or wehn was it, and shat all over the food dispenser.

22:23:49 ascii_field: i'm a bit confused.... where did the $0.5M donated by microshit go ?

22:24:00 ascii_field: lemme guess, a 'phoundation'

22:24:07 ascii_field: that has nothing to do with the author?

22:24:57 ascii_field: and was mircea_popescu's however-many btc for openbsd sent to the phoundation, or to de raadt ?

22:25:11 *: ascii_field scours logs fruitlessly for the answer

22:26:33 pete_dushenski: ;;google site:fraudsters.com bob beck

22:26:33 gribble: The public burning of Bob Beck on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea ...: ; The sharp friar and the golden jew discuss your options on fraudsters ...: ; What happens when you add a drop of sewage to a bottle of fine ...:

22:27:34 BingoBoingo: that has nothing to do with the author? << Yes

22:28:02 BingoBoingo: Foundation that pays for hackathons and such. Developer rent and food, no.

22:28:13 pete_dushenski: "Yes, 20BTC would definately have you listed as a significant foundation contributor on our contributions page, assuming you wanted to be listed there."

22:30:03 ascii_field: does openbsd have a ~meaningful~ existence apart from 'what de raadt does' ?

22:31:23 ascii_field: or, to put the question differently, what do all the non-de-raadt folks whose rent and food ARE paid for by the donations, do for the project ?

22:31:56 ascii_field: afaik - 'plowing flies'

22:35:30 BingoBoingo: My impression is that Foundation pays pretty much anything that can be billed like power, conference hotels, conference food though it pointedly does not offer anyone $x as compensation in the name of not starving.

22:36:14 ascii_field: all i can see is de raadt's 'almost about to work as cashier' thing

22:36:21 BingoBoingo: Basically the hotels make rent and food from Foundation

22:36:28 BingoBoingo: all i can see is de raadt's 'almost about to work as cashier' thing << YEs

22:36:46 ascii_field: supposing he's telling the truth, this answers my question.

22:36:48 ascii_field: plowing flies.

22:37:02 BingoBoingo: plowing flied, "donors have come to expect"

22:37:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10136 @ 0.00051371 = 5.207 BTC [+] {3}

22:37:43 BingoBoingo: Microsoft will donate all the money in the world to OpenBSD so long as no penny goes to keep Deraadt alive

22:38:40 ascii_field: this still leaves my other question,

22:38:42 *: BingoBoingo supposes Deraadt could turn residence into "conference venue" host open ended hackathon, but then the charityrastas would be like "imprudent

22:38:45 ascii_field: which one did mircea_popescu donate to ?

22:38:51 trinque: fucktarded opensource foundations do not work, news at 11

22:38:59 BingoBoingo: Ah\

22:39:00 trinque: why is openbsd special here?

22:39:21 ascii_field: trinque: in no sense special, it is illustrative of a particular thing imho

22:39:25 mircea_popescu: and was mircea_popescu's however-many btc for openbsd sent to the phoundation, or to de raadt ? << to whoever they wanted. what do i care.

22:39:28 BingoBoingo: why is openbsd special here? << Still has dictator who works

22:40:08 mircea_popescu: all i can see is de raadt's 'almost about to work as cashier' thing << and having EARNED it, too.,

22:40:09 trinque: dictator with no grain, eh?

22:40:23 jurov: i'm curious how will thebitcoinfoundation fare up. so far looks like it will never ever spend anything :D

22:40:39 mircea_popescu: as per http://fraudsters.com/2010/moment-de-visare/#selection-113.0-113.209

22:40:40 assbot: Moment de visare on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ing08A )

22:40:50 ascii_field: jurov: i vaguely recall there were talks of you folks renting a box somewhere

22:41:02 mircea_popescu: somehow a bunch of [mostly white] kids bought into this theory that "intelligence" as they define it is worth two shits.

22:41:07 mircea_popescu: proceeded to ruin their lives accordingly.

22:42:35 adlai: tbf doesn't have to spend anything to add value

22:43:10 adlai: it's already performing a role as a little capacitor on the profit release valve

22:43:52 ben_vulpes: muxed meatphork

22:44:37 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

22:44:54 ascii_field: 'Our Directors are: Ken Westerback, Toronto ON Daniel Boulet, Sherwood Park AB' << i don't see a de raadt

22:45:00 ascii_field: was there one included in the past ?

22:45:11 ascii_field: where did this thing even come from.

22:47:03 mircea_popescu: it came from "i'm an imbecile and instead of doing good work i'll pretend like google and microshit is paying me"

22:47:11 mircea_popescu: ;;google son i am dissapoint

22:47:12 gribble: Son, I Am Disappoint | Know Your Meme: ; Son.. I am Disappoint (song) - YouTube: ; I am disappoint - Encyclopedia Dramatica:

22:47:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00052314 = 10.2012 BTC [+] {3}

22:47:16 mircea_popescu: except with different hats.

22:48:55 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: for my education, describe what a smart de raadt would've done

22:49:44 mircea_popescu: showed up, had a chat with mod6 as to how to work together.

22:50:00 pete_dushenski: "Daniel Boulet, Sherwood Park AB" << heh. sherwood park is a suburb of edmonton. i should go throw eggs at this dude's house.

22:50:16 mircea_popescu: imagine. fucktard has a once in a lifetime moment and not even the marginal intellectual curiosity of getting voiced.

22:51:03 ascii_field: what's de raadt's day job anyway

22:51:04 mircea_popescu: even hookers have more fucking intelligence than this.

22:51:30 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-12-2015#1334896 << no, these are intended.

22:51:30 assbot: Logged on 01-12-2015 20:59:33; ascii_field: 'Marginalized people also suffer some of the unintended consequences of dogmatic insistence on meritocratic principles of governance. Studies have show that organizational cultures that value meritocracy often result in greater inequality. People with "merit" are often excused for their bad behavior in public spaces based on the value of their technical contributions. Meritocracy also naively assumes a

22:52:10 mircea_popescu: the whole fucking point is to marginalize the worthless to death. this is what public spaces are : places where the worthless are made to feel their worthlessness.

22:52:10 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: thinking about it, that turd simply has to be a troll job

22:53:21 mircea_popescu: in less retarded news, http://36.media.tumblr.com/ab532f17c00a4804843916c828e034b0/tumblr_mxnu6juUr61qi0kbpo1_1280.jpg

22:53:23 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1YFOtmR )

22:53:43 BingoBoingo: what's de raadt's day job anyway << Trying not to cashier yet

22:54:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16621 @ 0.00051665 = 8.5872 BTC [-] {2}

22:54:26 ascii_field: BingoBoingo: i was (and still am) at a lost as to what, if anything, he has to do with the derps who took the money

22:54:50 mircea_popescu: he allows them to parasitize.

22:57:39 mircea_popescu: "According to the SEC?s civil complaint, Homero Joshua Garza and his companies, GAW Miners and ZenMiner, sold more than 10,000 "investment contracts representing shares in the profits they claimed would be generated from using their purported computing power to ?mine? for virtual currency.""

22:57:42 mircea_popescu: aka, he sold 10k shares.

22:57:50 kakobrekla: !t m f.mpif

22:57:50 assbot: [MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.000209 / 0.000209 / 0.000209 (30000 shares, 6.27 BTC)

22:57:52 kakobrekla: jurov ^^

22:57:57 ben_vulpes: in other news, there is now a 'Chef' for mobile phones.

22:58:00 mircea_popescu: win.

22:58:04 ben_vulpes: has been for some time now.

22:58:56 BingoBoingo: ascii_field: His crumbs largely consist of travel he could not otherwise undertake as miser to said "hackathons" it seems

23:00:19 ascii_field: BingoBoingo: if this is really a worthy price to him for selling soul - he oughta hurry up and eat his nagant

23:00:21 jurov: yup kakobrekla

23:00:38 BingoBoingo: ascii_field: Are Canadians allowed to have Nagants?

23:00:46 ascii_field: let's ask pete_dushenski ?

23:01:11 pete_dushenski: "Zuckerberg, 31, and Chan said they plan to give away 99 percent of their Facebook shares over their lifetimes to advance the initiative, which was formed as a limited liability company controlled by the two. It will begin by focusing on personalized learning, curing disease, Internet connectivity and community building." << hurry! quick like bunnies! while the shares are still worth even a dollar a piece! must! d0n4

23:01:17 mircea_popescu: ascii_field is yours ?

23:01:27 ascii_field: is my which

23:01:31 pete_dushenski: ascii_field: BingoBoingo good q. lemme research.

23:01:36 mircea_popescu: is THIS a worthy price for you to sell you soul.

23:02:29 pete_dushenski: ascii_field: BingoBoingo looks like yes to nagant.

23:02:44 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: what's the 'blue book' value of a soul with my mileage, anyway

23:03:13 pete_dushenski: pretty sure shurikens are illegal here, but no reason for nagant not to be, i guess.

23:03:45 ascii_field: pete_dushenski: 'nagant' in question is a 7-shot revolver, circa 1890s

23:03:49 pete_dushenski: iirc nunchaku are also illegal here.

23:04:05 jurov: as for eyebleeding hacks news, naive tx deallocation from bitcoind mempool indeed has little effect on RSS due to fragmentation. currently retrying with "libumem"...

23:04:16 jurov: but in the end it's really got to be rewritten with fixed arrays.

23:04:26 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski the truth behind that lol is that none of these schmucks, ie, "smart kids that made it", nor those other schmucks, ie inheritors that obama convocated to tell them how he's gonna spend their money, actually have what it takes.

23:04:37 mircea_popescu: they're the pointlessly rich, they have absolutely nothing to say to the world,

23:04:43 ascii_field: jurov: seems like you have replicated my experiment with same conclusion ?

23:04:45 mircea_popescu: and so a lectern's the last thing they could use.

23:06:01 ascii_field: jurov: and also this is imho an important result, and you really oughta post it to ml

23:06:01 jurov: ascii_field: yes, except you did not write about the details

23:06:23 pete_dushenski: ascii_field: 7-shot eh. how... unorthodox. aren't most 6 ?

23:06:29 ascii_field: pete_dushenski: nagant - 7.

23:06:37 jurov: everyone was like "alf said it's something with boost"

23:06:44 pete_dushenski: ascii_field: nifty.

23:07:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19592 @ 0.00051357 = 10.0619 BTC [-] {2}

23:07:17 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: guess so eh

23:07:21 ascii_field: pete_dushenski: it had a strange and - afaik - unique - system where long-necked cartridge enclosed entire bullet, and cylinder moved against the barrel to form a gastight seal

23:07:26 ascii_field: ... could be silenced.

23:09:01 mircea_popescu: jurov well so don't immitate him, post a proper thing.

23:09:19 ascii_field: ^

23:09:58 BingoBoingo: Erik goes Derple Down on the Herp https://archive.is/42esq

23:10:00 assbot: Note from CEO Erik Voorhees: An Appeal for Zero-Conf | ShapeShift | The fastest way to swap cryptocurrencies. No account required. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Inlf8j )

23:10:53 pete_dushenski: !up thestringpuller

23:11:42 thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: so what happens if you attack someone with nunchaku?

23:11:51 ascii_field: holy fuck, there are still people discussing 'buying ice cream cone' and 'bitcoin' in same paragraph...!

23:12:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00051357 = 4.5194 BTC [-]

23:12:23 ascii_field: thestringpuller: presumably canada will throw an exception, it is impossible

23:12:34 pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: then jesus sheds a tear for your immorality

23:13:01 *: thestringpuller imagines a terrorist attack in canada involving nunchaku and fake ninjas

23:13:27 pete_dushenski: also, reading more re: prohibited weapons, brass knuckles are fucking illegal !

23:13:54 pete_dushenski: as per s. 84(1) of canadian criminal code

23:14:10 jurov: yes, defo will post details

23:14:40 ascii_field: pete_dushenski: this kinda thing goes back eons. nobody can ban 'walking on the street while being scum', so ban is for 'item scum is likely to have in his pockets'

23:14:50 pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: we entrap all potential terrorists before they can strike. see 'mounties stop cn rail attacks'

23:15:01 ascii_field: cn ?!

23:15:07 ascii_field: flying horses ?

23:15:18 ascii_field: or meant 'ca' ?

23:15:21 pete_dushenski: lol! canadian national

23:15:24 pete_dushenski: !up ascii_field

23:15:30 ascii_field: l0l

23:17:22 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-12-2015#1335221 << i've historically had boost and std:: symlinked in my head

23:17:22 assbot: Logged on 01-12-2015 23:06:37; jurov: everyone was like "alf said it's something with boost"

23:17:51 ascii_field: because neither pile of shit is ~really~ part of the language (i realize that this has Officially changed. doesn't matter worth a shit in my head)

23:18:30 ascii_field: borland turbo c++ 3.1 had no motherfucking 'map' !!1111

23:20:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13875 @ 0.00051358 = 7.1259 BTC [+]

23:20:42 ascii_field: http://earl.strain.at/static/tcpp30.png

23:20:42 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1YFRbsx )

23:20:48 ascii_field: ^ for those who grew up on some other planet

23:21:19 ascii_field: http://i.imgur.com/7CUm3BS.jpg << moar.

23:21:20 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1YFRiEm )

23:21:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2474 @ 0.00052385 = 1.296 BTC [+] {2}

23:22:19 pete_dushenski: ""The Big Short" should be required viewing for every mortgage and banking professional in America, and maybe every high school civics class, too. It is a direct, frontal assault on the bogus claim peddled by Wall Street and conservative media that poor people and irresponsible borrowers were to blame for the housing crash and the resulting chaos." << movie starring Steve Carell, Ryan Gosling and Brad Pitt, directed

23:22:19 pete_dushenski: m McKay (anchorman). sounds like a comedy alright.

23:23:22 jurov: i dunno, BOOST_FOREACH can be expanded quite easily, then only the serialization stuff remains, have not looked into that yet

23:23:48 ben_vulpes: sez who, pete_dushenski?

23:24:04 deedbot-: [fraudsters] BitBet (S.BBET) November 2015 Statement - http://fraudsters.com/2015/bitbet-sbbet-november-2015-statement/

23:24:34 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: huffpo's ben hallman

23:30:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19716 @ 0.0005239 = 10.3292 BTC [+] {3}

23:31:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17884 @ 0.00052424 = 9.3755 BTC [+] {3}

23:33:13 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-12-2015#1334998 << quite a few around here too. some respectably tall blondes even

23:33:13 assbot: Logged on 01-12-2015 21:33:07; mircea_popescu: somehow all the hotties ended up in dentistry in romania

23:34:13 ben_vulpes: https://gcaptain.com/norway-faces-bleak-year-offshore << no-dick system on the rocks

23:34:14 assbot: Norway Faces Bleak Year Offshore - gCaptain ... ( http://bit.ly/1Inp8tW )