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00:03:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77550 @ 0.00035824 = 27.7815 BTC [-] {2}

00:03:36 cazalla: oh, garza never ceases to provide the lulz.. his $20 honour program was to go live today.. posts this a few days back https://i.imgur.com/1RjXbe4.png and now the day of launch.. http://blog.paybase.com/status-of-honor-program/ " As previously reported, we are reviewing with counsel the features of the Honors Program and what if any aspects of the program may require regulatory approval. We intend to proceed based upon advise of counsel and

00:03:37 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1HGWCT0 )

00:03:38 assbot: Status of Honor Program ... ( http://bit.ly/1HGWBhK )

00:03:38 cazalla: will provide updates as developments warrant."

00:07:57 ben_vulpes: eg "we ain't buyin yer shitcoins"

00:08:02 ben_vulpes: man i wrote hairball a lot last night

00:08:22 ben_vulpes: side note: that's the informal name for the infrastructure provisioning tool i wrote for internal use

00:11:10 trinque: asciilifeform: at least one might hope that even they've lost track of which pieces of tech they've weakened over the years, such that they've weakened themselves as well

00:12:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 258 @ 0.00763406 = 1.9696 BTC [+] {6}

00:15:16 trinque: put more clearly, does the thing committing industrial-scale corruption of software provide the rest of govt a reliable map of which things are unsafe to use. I'd think not

00:15:47 asciilifeform: trinque: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1323 << on the subject

00:15:49 assbot: Loper OS » A Country of Which Nothing is Known but the Name. ... ( http://bit.ly/1HH0sM3 )

00:17:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71169 @ 0.00036954 = 26.2998 BTC [+] {3}

00:18:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35254 @ 0.00037267 = 13.1381 BTC [+]

00:19:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107213 @ 0.00037412 = 40.1105 BTC [+] {3}

00:20:58 trinque: wince laptop?!

00:21:00 *: trinque reads on

00:22:08 trinque: asciilifeform: I think I see your point; the answer is not "yes, oops" but "Yes as a matter of policy."

00:22:34 *: asciilifeform is a very reluctant believer in 'oops'es

00:22:52 trinque: damn, that makes a great deal of sense.

00:24:31 trinque: seems to rule out what I said too. That they might have underlings use weakened crypto provides them greater control over them, and eh, if they get intercepted/caught/etc they were expendable in the first place.

00:25:19 trinque: as you point out, the things that really matter use crypto that (afaik) works

00:25:50 asciilifeform: works in their sense, not ours

00:36:39 asciilifeform: http://www.uwgb.edu/DutchS/PSEUDOSC/WhyNoConspiracies.HTM << steve dutch descends to new level of usg fellatio

00:36:40 assbot: Why I Don't Believe in Conspiracy Theories ... ( http://bit.ly/1HH7gcr )

00:54:04 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so write it.

00:55:14 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> and the notion that it is, is purely a mirage created by the hairball << bitcoin is certainly simple.

00:56:01 mircea_popescu: cazalla your pics put the finger on the point : this is why we despise them.

00:56:07 mircea_popescu: " community" or w/e they are.

00:57:15 mircea_popescu: trinque obviously it does not work in the favour of the bureaucracy. for the simple reason that the incentives of the talented, the smart and the valuables never are nor ever could be alligned with socialism.

00:57:53 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "yes, as a matter of policy, in the sense an addict's untimely death is a matter of his own policy"

00:59:14 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the steve dutch piece is funny because... "i lie" gets transmorgrified into "they lie" in such a predictable fashion.

00:59:30 mircea_popescu: yes, i'm sure "they" lie, notwithstanding that "they" doesn't even exist as such outside of the sufferer's sufferances.

01:01:26 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/o-hai-let-me-wanna-be/#comment-111914 << meanwhile from the sufferers under the "code is poetteringy" mullenweg regime.

01:01:27 assbot: O hai let me wanna-be! pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/162W3ll )

01:01:33 mircea_popescu: clearly... "they lie".

01:04:10 danielpbarron: made it to 93225 and it seems to have stopped without producing any errors in either debug.log or nohup.out

01:04:28 trinque: mircea_popescu: is this the classic paranoia that the underlings are all out to get the leadership, as manifested in tech?

01:04:58 trinque: bin laden seemed to do pretty well in turning our system inward on itself

01:06:11 mircea_popescu: trinque im not sure what you're asking ?

01:06:25 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell fabianb empyex sick ?

01:06:25 gribble: The operation succeeded.

01:06:41 trinque: trying to pull it into words... it would seem to be a sign of institutional illness, autoimmune disorder

01:10:43 trinque: mircea_popescu: I remember you talking about whether Stalins rust; I understand him to have succumbed to a great deal of paranoia about underlings coming after him

01:11:09 mircea_popescu: the two are really unrelated.

01:11:13 trinque: this seems a winning strategy, find the top, discover their nightmares, convince them that you're it, you're everywhere, and they're fucked

01:11:24 mircea_popescu: stalins purges were just good politics, if not from a very society-approved paradigm.

01:11:27 trinque: at which point they attack themselves (their country)

01:11:51 trinque: yeah, I'm not qualified to understand how that was perceived internally

01:12:09 mircea_popescu: but yes, that is unrelatedly the winning strategy, and sure, it's working splendidly. in spite of sustained pretense of everyone to you know, "who is mp".

01:12:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83977 @ 0.00035328 = 29.6674 BTC [-] {2}

01:12:44 mircea_popescu: in other words, there's a lot of value in ~actually being the nightmare~, on the side.

01:13:15 trinque: right

01:13:59 trinque: I took aikido for a while; the teacher always pointed out that while you were using their own movements against them, you could for instance break their neck here, dislocate shoulder with a push an inch that way, etc

01:18:59 BingoBoingo: I'm adding "Giant Golden Tiger driven by invisible slaves" to the wishlist.

01:19:58 mircea_popescu: ?The most recent poll showed that the majority of Americans no longer believe the conspiracy theory that a species emitting only 3% of the world?s supply of a poor heat-trapping gas are magically cooling the planet? I mean heating the planet?. or wait, I mean causing the weather to change now.?

01:19:59 mircea_popescu: lol

01:26:44 scoopbot: New post on fraudsters by Mircea Popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2015/minigame-smg-january-2015-statement/

01:27:43 mircea_popescu: mats re your first link : http://fraudsters.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/marko-derp.jpg

01:27:43 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1z3BJvw )

01:33:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106000 @ 0.00034655 = 36.7343 BTC [-] {4}

01:34:08 mats: ouch

01:35:32 mircea_popescu: yeah well.

01:36:03 mircea_popescu: let them fucking come and worship instead of going around in circles like headless chickens pretending the whole world's a chicken and someone severed its head.

01:36:59 mircea_popescu: "the nonsense we belive in is not really nonsense, which is why we can't hoild a conversation with random people. let's instead talk of sports!"

01:42:18 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell pete_dushenski you know these log copies where you capitalize the first letter in a line but not subsequent sentence leads nor 1st person pronouns is very odd looking.

01:42:18 gribble: The operation succeeded.

01:54:28 mircea_popescu: !up Nemesis3

01:55:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 132118 @ 0.0003441 = 45.4618 BTC [-]

01:55:39 asciilifeform: 234104.

01:55:45 Nemesis3: mircea_popescu hey thanks :) came mostly to keep an eye on the conversation here, I enjoy your website.

01:56:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44082 @ 0.00035927 = 15.8373 BTC [+]

01:56:29 mircea_popescu: cheers.

01:56:32 mircea_popescu: !up bitstein

01:56:41 mircea_popescu: you know how to voice yourself on the new model bitstein ?

01:57:32 bitstein: Still !up in a message to assbot, right?

01:57:44 mircea_popescu: bitspill yes then !v with the decoded bit.

01:58:13 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/02/01_hacking-on-the-satoshi-codebase-some-pointers.html << just reading this thing gives me a blood pressure boost.

01:58:14 assbot: Hacking on the Satoshi Codebase: Some Pointers ... ( http://bit.ly/1AgSTrn )

01:58:43 bitstein: Cool. I like the upgrade with the OTPs for every command.

01:58:47 bitstein: Do I need to re-rate everyone using assbot for the asswot?

01:59:18 mircea_popescu: nope it forked.

01:59:38 mircea_popescu: (no you don't have to redo the history, it was copied over)

01:59:47 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu: am i the only one who wonders why 1) checking hashes, inside a pgp-signed script, when patch sigs also are checked 2) patches & their hashes, sigs, listed explicitly, instead of iterating over directory

02:00:01 mircea_popescu: hopefully we'll get a way to automate communication between gribble and assbot once nanotube gets around to it.

02:00:33 danielpbarron: "hypocrites! they forked the WoT but they won't fork bitcoin!"

02:01:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45100 @ 0.00035927 = 16.2031 BTC [+]

02:01:25 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform 1 because allowing two ways to do things never killed anyone and 2 probably because i want to see the stuff. i suspect it's a derivative of the general "fits in head" principle.

02:02:04 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: before very long, this thing will not be readable in the usual sense of the word.

02:02:07 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron nothing hypocritical about it : if WE fork bitcoin, then it's ok. if nobody claims to do it, nobody gets quashed.

02:02:14 asciilifeform: (build script, that is)

02:02:18 danielpbarron: :D

02:02:41 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=21-01-2015#985306

02:02:41 assbot: Logged on 21-01-2015 02:32:39; mircea_popescu: including the actual bitcoin foundation is the correct move there. mod6 ben_vulpes are in charge.

02:05:17 mircea_popescu: "The "Bitcoin Foundation" poured an unforgiveable number of coins into the market to feed Gavin Andresen and his family?and for what? 3 years of development that's just about to get flushed down the drain? The appearance of relevance without any of the hard work of thinking and making things work correctly? [...] Consider the tragedy wrought by an internet forum accidentally blessed with untold riches and weep."

02:05:24 mircea_popescu: teh quite.

02:05:40 mircea_popescu: so much wastage has never seen, not since the great california gold rush at any rate.

02:05:57 mircea_popescu: (btw... the reason silicon valley as a marketable product exists today ? that.)

02:06:16 asciilifeform: the actual gold rush?

02:06:28 asciilifeform: or just similar psychology (obvious fact?)

02:06:39 mircea_popescu: the actual physical gold rush

02:06:48 asciilifeform: how?

02:07:20 mircea_popescu: california minus the gold rush, and the resulting adaptaiton, would have been washington with a coastline.

02:07:53 mircea_popescu: but with it, "that's california for you", something conceptually entrenched already in the times of mark twain. on the basis of which, hollywood, and shockley.

02:08:16 mircea_popescu: you have to understand in 1890 nobody wanted to leave new york (where show biz lived) to go in tumbleweedland.

02:08:23 mircea_popescu: it took time and money to drag them away.

02:08:41 mircea_popescu: it took 50 years, that could only be built because of the previous 50. and so on.

02:08:53 asciilifeform: aha so just what i suspected. i.e., there would be no major population centres in western usa if not for gold rush

02:09:01 mircea_popescu: there would be, yes.

02:09:03 mircea_popescu: mexican speaking.

02:09:20 mircea_popescu: you realise mexico city is larger than all texas, right ?

02:10:24 asciilifeform: iirc archaeologists believe it (predecessor) to have been the first 1M+ city ?

02:10:38 mircea_popescu: i doubt that claim, but it's certainly not impossible.

02:11:27 mircea_popescu: anyway, people readily forget history. siegel had to beg and steal new york money to build, what essentially was, the first building in the desert.

02:11:51 BingoBoingo: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/02/01_hacking-on-the-satoshi-codebase-some-pointers.html

02:11:52 assbot: Hacking on the Satoshi Codebase: Some Pointers ... ( http://bit.ly/1AgUXj3 )

02:11:53 mircea_popescu: nothing existed there prior, or in the words of sinatra (a man the age of one's grandparents), "this place was sand before i came here and it'll be sand again before i'm done with you!"

02:13:30 mircea_popescu: for that matter, cca 1890 a japanese invasion of the entire west coast was regarded moderately likely and entirely feasible in principle.

02:13:36 Nemesis3: I never thought of that, it really makes sense (about gold rush), i'm still blow away by phoenix and other metropolis in the middle of nowhere

02:14:00 Nemesis3: mircea_popescu then in ww2 the gov took everything from them

02:14:00 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as late as '42.

02:15:42 mircea_popescu: more importantly : the cost of hay in carson city was 250 dollars per ton in 1962, and had been as much as twice that. at the same time a horse could be had for 30.

02:15:53 mircea_popescu: and yet, arrangements were made to get the hay there.

02:16:04 mircea_popescu: these arrangements, the making thereof, that's what the whole tinseltown is built on.

02:16:11 mircea_popescu: "bring me five poounds of moon cheese!"

02:16:30 asciilifeform: jurov: can we pretty please get the snipped crud out of the lxr? (win32 etc.)

02:16:44 mircea_popescu: here : "Speculation ran riot, and yet there was a world of substantial business going on, too. All freights were brought over the mountains from California (150 miles) by pack-train partly, and partly in huge wagons drawn by such long mule teams that each team amounted to a procession, and it did seem, sometimes, that the grand combined procession of animals stretched unbroken from Virginia to California. Its long rout

02:16:44 mircea_popescu: e was traceable clear across the deserts of the Territory by the writhing serpent of dust it lifted up. By these wagons, freights over that hundred and fifty miles were $200 a ton for small lots (same price for all express matter brought by stage), and $100 a ton for full loads. One Virginia firm received one hundred tons of freight a month, and paid $10,000 a month freightage. In the winter the freights were much high

02:16:44 mircea_popescu: er. All the bullion was shipped in bars by stage to San Francisco (a bar was usually about twice the size of a pig of lead and contained from $1,500 to $3,000 according to the amount of gold mixed with the silver), and the freight on it (when the shipment was large) was one and a quarter per cent. of its intrinsic value."

02:17:17 mircea_popescu: freigthage at 200 gold dollars per ton.

02:17:43 asciilifeform: circa 1849 ?

02:17:56 asciilifeform: comparable to satellite launch today, possibly

02:18:00 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 200 * 1.67 * 40

02:18:00 gribble: 13360

02:18:04 mircea_popescu: 13k a ton.

02:18:09 asciilifeform: ok sans a zero.

02:18:25 asciilifeform: this is more like next-day air shipping from mordor to buenos aires

02:18:40 mircea_popescu: and it's a great blessing, too, you know ? if that's what it costs you won't be sending much gawker across.

02:20:13 mircea_popescu: these absurd constraints are a great driver of innoivation. for instance, the "lawless", "rugged" and obviously unwashed rapists of the wild west ?

02:20:24 mircea_popescu: they nevertheless sent mail on special paper. thinner than the bible sheets.

02:20:35 ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> "blood pressure boost" << can't tell whether this is good or bad for your health

02:20:54 mircea_popescu: when there's money to pay for it, and necessarilty in the shape of "fallen from the sky", the marriage with absurd constraints is the most productive thing known to man.

02:21:57 ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> [] ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu: am i the only one who wonders why 1) checking hashes, inside a pgp-signed script, when patch sigs also are checked 2) patches & their hashes, sigs, listed explicitly, instead of iterating over directory << consider it an excess of paranoia

02:22:34 mircea_popescu: then soon enough the HABIT of innovaton forms, and it's set. becomes culture, and win.

02:22:55 ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> [] (build script, that is) << every time i publish a revision it gets shorter and more legible, fuck off

02:23:02 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes it's not too bad for my health. definitely worse for the long term prospects of the heathens

02:23:58 ben_vulpes: 'twon't even be around forever. it's part of bootstrapping a slimmed down codebase that doesn't need all the trimming etc

02:28:22 mircea_popescu: http://log.b-a.link/?date=01-02-2015#1001684 << come to think if it, usg's Freisler's unceremonious dismissal of o'reilly media's version gavin (perhaps even at some point prepared for a gavin substitution, in case) is telling of a certain change of winds in that camp.

02:28:22 assbot: Logged on 01-02-2015 21:41:09; BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I was mostly interested in linking the zombie's name to the NeoBee thing yet again. There's little left in the Ulbricht case capable of being interesting until appeals are filed.

02:28:48 mircea_popescu: i very much doubt they still believe "the problem" can be contained with muppets.

02:29:05 asciilifeform: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/341735eb8f42e898cf9d4d130709471e5d01abe2 << ben_vulpes et al: this is what they ended up replacing the block loader with...

02:29:08 assbot: Headers-first synchronization · 341735e · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1wTLeYL )

02:29:29 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't trust it, if it wasn't obvious already.

02:29:48 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i doubt anyone here trusts it

02:29:55 mircea_popescu: myeah.

02:30:23 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it very transparently follows the overall pattern (create, nurture problem, then propose 'solution' glued with glass that introduces subtle boojum)

02:30:31 mircea_popescu: myeah.

02:31:46 asciilifeform: i still don't grasp, for instance, how a node loading headers (during warmup) knows that it is being fed actual headers

02:31:50 asciilifeform: and not diddled

02:31:53 asciilifeform: if lacks the blocks

02:32:07 mircea_popescu: "trust us" decentralized currency

02:32:15 mircea_popescu: to replace "in god we trust" fiat currency

02:32:21 mircea_popescu: FIAT MUST BE MAINTAINED!

02:32:37 mircea_popescu: your ability to verify, not nearly as important.

02:32:46 asciilifeform: i mean, i like 'muntzing' as much as anyone, but this here looks more like an actual moving part they snipped off

02:33:18 asciilifeform: did the phoundation so much as try to justify this?

02:33:41 asciilifeform: or was it more of a 'last version leaked, this one doesn't. shuddup & install.'

02:35:13 asciilifeform: what else do gavin et al intend to silently lose, is the inevitable thought

02:35:58 mircea_popescu: anyway, if anyone's curious as to how exactly stuff like reddit or tardstalk work, here's a blow by blow, by a guy in the know :

02:35:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56050 @ 0.00035927 = 20.1371 BTC [+]

02:36:11 mircea_popescu: During the spring, Fenwick announced that they were going to pay summer associates only $2,100, which was below the $2,400 that most big firms in New York, LA and Chicago were paying their summers. Yet, right before we arrived in Palo Alto, Fenwick, along with every other Silicon Valley firm, announced that they were going to pay summers $2,400, commensurate with the big firms in other major cities.

02:36:11 mircea_popescu: What does this have to do with anything? Well, I was almost single-handedly responsible for Fenwick, and basically every other Silicon Valley firm, raising their summer associate salary from $2,100 to 2,400. How is that possible, you ask? The beauty of the internet, and the influence of an amazing website called Infirmation.com.

02:36:11 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

02:36:11 mircea_popescu: Infirmation.com is a job-related website that has message boards on it, where anyone can anonymously post anything. The message boards are divided by region, one being for New York associates, one for Silicon Valley, one for Chicago, etc. These message boards, called ?Greedy Associate? boards, had vaulted to fame in the preceding months as a means for associates at different firms to anonymously share information w

02:36:15 mircea_popescu: ith each other about salary, benefits, work conditions, anything they choose. One of the sparking events was when Gunderson, a relatively small firm in Silicon Valley, raised their starting associate salaries from somewhere around the industry average of $100,000 to $125,000. One of the first places this information was posted and disseminated was the messages boards on Infirmation.com, and from that event, as well as

02:36:20 mircea_popescu: a few others like it, junior associates at all the major firms started sharing info with each other about the relative benefits and detriments of their particular firms on these Greedy Associate boards.

02:36:25 mircea_popescu: As a result of these developments, partners at all the majors firms monitored these message boards, looking for the latest gossip about their firms and their competing firms. They had to stay up to date, because a change in benefits in Firm A could mean a flood of ass

02:36:29 mircea_popescu: a flood of associates or law students to that firm, and away from Firm B, before Firm B even knew what was going on.

02:36:32 mircea_popescu: How does this relate to the story? The summer salaries had already been announced in New York at $2,400, and everyone was waiting for the Silicon Valley firms to announce their summer salaries [Fenwick had four major competitors in Silicon Valley at the time: Cooley, Wilson, and Brobeck (these are abbreviated names of law firms)]. Fenwick was the first to announce; they did so sometime around late April, and they annou

02:36:37 mircea_popescu: nced at $2,100, which was below NY salaries.

02:36:39 mircea_popescu: I was unhappy with this, so I immediately posted this info on the Infirmation.com Silicon Valley/SF Greedy Associate board, and then, using four or five different anonymous screen names, proceeded to have a thread discussion on how horrible this was, how Fenwick was insulting it?s summers, how no one was going to accept their offers because the firm was so cheap it wouldn?t fork over the extra $300 a week, etc, etc

02:36:44 mircea_popescu: . I even used one of my aliases to play the other side. It was beautiful. Of the 20 messages on this topic on the first day, I probably posted 10 of them. I kept this up, at a slightly lower output, for about three days.

02:36:48 mircea_popescu: About a week after Fenwick?s announcement, and the resulting Infirmation.com message board ?explosion,? Wilson, a Fenwick competitor, announced they were paying summers $2,400. Each of the other Silicon Valley firms quickly fell in line after that, including Fenwick.

02:37:20 mircea_popescu: the author is one tucker max, famous for nothing in particular (and whose life story is instructive, in case any chickies born yesterday actually believe amanda hess or randi zuckerberg are "feminist" models, and something good for her, and failed to understand that http://fraudsters.com/2015/the-worm/ is simply a fable about gawker.

02:37:21 assbot: The worm pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1AgYTjK )

02:37:35 asciilifeform: lol!

02:37:46 asciilifeform: classic muppetry

02:37:54 mircea_popescu: by now, there's an entire generation of essentially useless men hoping they will be able to make a living off this model.

02:38:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94097 @ 0.00037424 = 35.2149 BTC [+] {4}

02:38:03 mircea_popescu: tucker max at any rate quit law school for it, or to quote tlp

02:39:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24903 @ 0.00037844 = 9.4243 BTC [+]

02:39:07 asciilifeform: generation... ...hoping they will be able to make a living off this << straight to butugychag.

02:41:23 danielpbarron: is that tucker max?

02:41:28 mircea_popescu: well i can't seem to find it, but he has a bit about "you don't believe me ? then believe x, she was stupid enough to quit medical school to join x shartup and now is a relationships expert"

02:41:34 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron yes.

02:42:36 danielpbarron: i knew i read that before

02:42:46 danielpbarron: and sorry, thought i was scrolled all the way down

02:44:12 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform generation... ...hoping they will be able to make a living off this << straight to butugychag. http://fraudsters.com/2014/yo-fraudsters-fratires/#footnote_2_57239 < example.

02:44:12 assbot: Yo, fraudsters Fratires! pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1AgZVMC )

02:44:37 mircea_popescu: "strategist". what is your strategy ? "i pretend like i matter on the internet" why ? "YOU DONT UNDERSTAND HOW THE WORLD WORKS".

02:45:20 mircea_popescu: and you know "rudius media empire" was a thing, and some kids that meanwhile got jobs / wives / unsuspended sentences ACTUALLY BOUGHT INTO

02:48:25 mircea_popescu: incidentally i suppose, the quote also throws a harsh light over the widespreadness of price fixing in silicon valley. seriously, fucking law interns ?

02:49:01 mircea_popescu: instead of pretending like we're fixing the problem like preet, let's try and think about the causes. why do firms perceive the need to artificially cap salaries ? this seems only rational in an hyperinflationary environment.

02:49:36 mircea_popescu: why do businesses in a country that's struggling with the spectre of deflation - businesses locate in the prime rib of that country, even - have problems typical of hyperinflating environments ?!

02:49:45 mircea_popescu: was there a black death in the us nobody reported ?

03:02:05 BingoBoingo: Half a yard from the end zone and Captain Nigger tosses an interception. Bullshit ending to the game.

03:03:51 BingoBoingo: ^ Black death.

03:06:01 mircea_popescu: lol

03:07:33 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/samir/status/562066596001505282

03:07:34 assbot: “Hey mom. Yep. I’ll be performing at the Super Bowl." http://t.co/nHkW6kHUDL

03:08:35 mircea_popescu: samir doesn't sound like a slut name and twitter doesn't sound like it is going to publish good boobs. so i'ma click on something else instead.

03:08:37 BingoBoingo: http://sports.cbsimg.net/u/photos/football/nfl/img25016370.jpg

03:08:39 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ah3wKO )

03:08:52 BingoBoingo: ^ That one has boobs somewhere

03:10:15 BingoBoingo: The golden cat apparatus had legs, walked

03:10:25 cazalla: try https://twitter.com/search?q=my%20boobs&src=typd&mode=photos instead

03:10:28 assbot: my boobs - Twitter Photos Search ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ah3NNH )

03:12:27 mircea_popescu: gee, look at all the fucking bras.

03:12:38 mircea_popescu: i wonder if my%20bras is the magic word.

03:13:55 cazalla: well i figured "my" would act as a qualifier for actual girls posting their own tits

03:17:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59000 @ 0.00036717 = 21.663 BTC [-]

03:18:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.00036717 = 4.406 BTC [-]

03:19:29 BingoBoingo: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8zTAC_CMAArjMs.jpg

03:19:30 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ah5mLD )

03:20:13 BingoBoingo: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8zTMUHCUAEFUDy.jpg:large

03:20:14 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ah5t9V )

03:20:55 cazalla: lol ppl are still posting their credit cards on twitter https://twitter.com/Exodus_Res/status/548642193800704001

03:20:57 assbot: look at my sisters new credit card love the blue http://t.co/TTIJlsOQaE

03:21:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65015 @ 0.00036717 = 23.8716 BTC [-]

03:27:21 BingoBoingo: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8zt-c6CUAAVG3-.jpg << Far less stupid than the game's ending

03:27:22 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ah6I90 )

03:31:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 211803 @ 0.00035431 = 75.0439 BTC [-] {2}

03:37:01 BingoBoingo: At least the coach is owning the call that lost the game.

03:38:39 BingoBoingo: http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--h3WL6cd9--/wi8src56el4lhgdd3jty.gif

03:38:42 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ah8tDn )

03:39:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66100 @ 0.00034927 = 23.0867 BTC [-]

03:42:28 asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000040.html

03:42:29 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ah94VD )

03:42:37 asciilifeform: ^ can we have scoopbot plugged into turdatron ?

03:44:49 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6, et al ^^^^ snippety snippety

03:45:12 scoopbot: New post on fraudsters by Mircea Popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2015/have-some-chocolate-cake/

03:46:10 danielpbarron: i think this "bastard" thing is eating up all my bandwidth

03:46:25 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: but does it actually sync ?

03:46:37 danielpbarron: oh yeah

03:46:49 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: the way it's set up is extremely wasteful, yes; fetches many blocks for which there can be no use at all

03:46:52 danielpbarron: up to 136k

03:46:55 asciilifeform: and get thrown out immediately

03:47:04 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: how many deaths has it died ?

03:47:14 danielpbarron: 2

03:47:42 asciilifeform: ideally you can determine a value for bastard pool constant that turns that into zero

03:47:50 asciilifeform: while still syncing in a reasonable time

03:48:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77194 @ 0.00034305 = 26.4814 BTC [-]

03:52:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66669 @ 0.00034173 = 22.7828 BTC [-]

03:58:34 punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8zfqq0CIAA7o2Q.jpg

03:58:35 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1AhbtPV )

03:59:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 164050 @ 0.00034665 = 56.8679 BTC [+] {2}

04:00:51 mod6: asciilifeform: thanks for the submission for removal of dnsseed

04:00:52 mircea_popescu: dude the smpoe war...

04:01:02 mod6: !t m s.mpoe

04:01:02 assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00034173 / 0.00035578 / 0.00037844 (4074930 shares, 1,449.79 BTC), 7D: 0.00030001 / 0.00039761 / 0.00053193 (20154401 shares, 8,013.64 BTC), 30D: 0.00030001 / 0.00047156 / 0.00068113 (47682710 shares, 22,485.64 BTC)

04:01:08 punkman: such volumez

04:01:11 mod6: ya

04:01:18 punkman: "but nobody used that thing"

04:01:23 punkman: *uses

04:02:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 189000 @ 0.00035144 = 66.4222 BTC [+] {3}

04:03:03 mircea_popescu: nobody's using that thing to try and do something to mah powerbase ? or else paranoida.

04:03:24 danielpbarron: http://www.op-return.com/ << a non-WoT deedbot?

04:03:25 assbot: Submit a message to a Bitcoin address ... ( http://bit.ly/1AhceIR )

04:03:27 mircea_popescu: it's kinda fun to watch, tbh

04:03:53 punkman: danielpbarron: there's a bunch of them

04:04:02 mircea_popescu: loads really.

04:04:32 punkman: so what do we think about op_return?

04:04:54 punkman: or rather, what does the foundation think

04:08:04 punkman: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/3737#issuecomment-36383977

04:08:06 assbot: script: reduce OP_RETURN standard relay bytes to 40 by jgarzik · Pull Request #3737 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1AhcQ1b )

04:18:39 asciilifeform: mod6: snippy snippy is very easy. and satisfying. i encourage others to try.

04:21:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 117965 @ 0.000356 = 41.9955 BTC [+]

04:30:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10576 @ 0.000356 = 3.7651 BTC [+]

04:42:00 mircea_popescu: holy shit, it turns out Marvel's The Avengers is the highest grossing and highest opening movie of all time.

04:42:54 mircea_popescu: http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/weekends/pastrecords.htm << if this doesn't tell the story of inflation, i have no idea what does.

04:42:55 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1CoxTjc )

04:43:57 mircea_popescu: not to mention that not a fucking thing in there is even watchable.

04:44:18 asciilifeform: the story of inflation << one of the streets i frequently drive through had a housing development (row homes) under construction for the past ~3 yrs. there was a billboard, advertising 'From the low 300s!' (10**3) recently the '3' was flipped to a '6'.

04:45:07 asciilifeform: flipped, like the prices at filling stations.

04:45:37 mircea_popescu: lol

04:45:46 mircea_popescu: such weimar.

04:45:57 asciilifeform: mega-weimar.

04:46:30 mircea_popescu: but hey, led displays to be able to adjust price in real time are just technological improvbement.

04:47:12 punkman: has that been in some movie?

04:47:27 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> holy shit, it turns out Marvel's The Avengers is the highest grossing and highest opening movie of all time. << The power of brand and using 5 previous feature length films as trailers.

04:47:54 mircea_popescu: i had nfi marvel even had a brand.

04:48:07 mircea_popescu: what brand is it, tchotches r us ?

04:48:59 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, they got the super heros which are followed by the fanboys. From there they release a bunch of movies the fanboys use to get other idiots comfortably with Marvel. Then ??? Profit.

04:49:09 BingoBoingo: Like "Kraft"

04:49:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 117454 @ 0.00036185 = 42.5007 BTC [+]

04:49:33 BingoBoingo: Classic American marketing cascade

04:49:48 mats: disney is now fabulously rich because of marvel

04:50:06 mircea_popescu: i guess there's lots of things i don't really understand.

04:50:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27077 @ 0.0003614 = 9.7856 BTC [-]

04:50:13 BingoBoingo: ESPN and Marvel are basically what funds Disney nao.

04:50:20 mats: they own a lot of hollywood now

04:50:34 punkman: they even got Star Wars now

04:51:10 asciilifeform: 237474.

04:51:26 BingoBoingo: It's pretty much been of couple of decades of marching in the opposite direction of AOL Time Warner

04:51:41 mircea_popescu: ok, http://www.google.com/finance/getchart?q=DIS&x=NYSE&p=5Y&i=604800&ei=PgLPVKGGMoi48gaMwYFI << if THAT doesn't look like inflation i dunno what does.

04:51:42 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ztIIwC )

04:52:04 mircea_popescu: i mean look at that, it's not even funny, straight line with an oscillator thrown in wtf is this.

04:52:15 BingoBoingo: Oh it's totally inflation.

04:53:52 asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000041.html

04:53:52 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ztIPs6 )

04:54:29 asciilifeform: ^ mod6's mega-summary

04:54:52 mircea_popescu: i like mod6's summaries.

04:54:59 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo can qntra do a press package ?

04:55:09 BingoBoingo: K

05:03:12 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: unrelated - recent re-read, recommended to you specifically - 'the design of the unix operating system', m. j. bach.

05:03:37 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Will put in on the list.

05:04:24 *: BingoBoingo still reeling over last week's discovery that of all distros Linux Mint appears as though it will be a systemd holdout.

05:04:38 asciilifeform: best holdout/distro is no distro

05:04:48 asciilifeform: home cooking.

05:05:36 asciilifeform: 'gentoo' is sufficiently malleable, presently, to fill the role.

05:05:51 BingoBoingo: Right, Linux Mint still comes with so many bolt ons and opaque Ubuntu heart.

05:05:56 asciilifeform: creeping poetteringisms in all known distro, however.

05:06:03 asciilifeform: e.g., 'dbus'.

05:14:01 punkman: https://twitter.com/La_Polisse/status/561813987655168000/photo/1

05:14:02 assbot: Comment la neige a permis l'arrestation d'un cultivateur de weed... (De /Torped00) http://t.co/zGp3XbDSEf

05:14:16 danielpbarron: http://danielpbarron.com/advanced_os.log.txt

05:14:17 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ztKf5T )

05:15:12 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: wallowing with the eagles, soaring with the pigs, eh

05:17:54 cazalla: punkman, took me a moment

05:18:08 danielpbarron: it's a Bible channel / not usually that kind of conversation in there

05:19:26 BingoBoingo: Wallowing with the Eagles is the best wallowing.

05:23:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 97 @ 0.06998999 = 6.789 BTC [+]

05:24:23 mircea_popescu: so apparently there exists a real estate firm in ba called "asses propriedades"

05:24:47 mircea_popescu: "hello, yeah, i'd like to rent an ass. can i live in it ?"

05:31:14 BingoBoingo: Have any pogo people run the ArmV build with a preloaded blockchain (i.e. minimal initial sync before current)?

05:33:21 thestringpuller: "yo homie we major"

05:35:34 thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: what'd you think of the game?

05:35:44 thestringpuller: Can't believe all action in 4th quarter.

05:36:12 thestringpuller: also when did Kurt Warner become old?

05:36:13 BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Bullshit ending. Also I really want a 30 foot golden mechanical tiger to ride for when the times come.

05:36:27 BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Kurt Warner's always been old.

05:36:47 BingoBoingo: Even when he was on the Rams he was old having bagged groceries and played NFL Europe.

05:38:07 *: BingoBoingo very disappoint the game didn't end with Whitey getting Lynched

05:41:54 thestringpuller: LOL

05:42:04 BingoBoingo: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8982452 so little conversation on the HN

05:42:05 assbot: Hacking on the Satoshi Codebase | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1ztMAxF )

05:42:14 thestringpuller: Kurt Warner went hard in 2000

05:42:34 thestringpuller: Rams vs Titans was a great game.

05:42:45 thestringpuller: iirc it almost went into OT

05:42:51 BingoBoingo: Indeed. Would have been nice to see Seattle win on the ground and close the book on the Air Assault era that ushered in

05:42:56 BingoBoingo: It did almost do that

05:50:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 175750 @ 0.00036135 = 63.5073 BTC [-] {2}

06:01:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115224 @ 0.0003655 = 42.1144 BTC [+] {2}

06:03:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80300 @ 0.00036806 = 29.5552 BTC [+] {2}

06:03:26 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/02/foundation-releases-report-and-bitcoin-0-5-3-1/

06:04:14 asciilifeform: 'In the interest of the reference implementation being a robust solution that requires minimal trust of its peers the header's only approach favored by the Vessenes' foundation's forks' developers.' <<< wat?

06:04:20 *: asciilifeform failed to parse this sentence

06:05:28 BingoBoingo: how about: In the interest of the reference implementation being a robust solution that requires minimal trust of its peers, the header's only approach favored by the Vessenes' foundation's forks' developers is being passed over in favor of actual solutions.

06:06:28 cazalla: asciilifeform, ya need a few beers, reads ok here, had a few beers though

06:07:04 BingoBoingo: cazalla: I tried to fix the parsing. Sentence needed a subject among other things.

06:07:14 adlai: header's?

06:07:36 adlai: like, the header only had one approach, so this approach was the header's only approach?

06:07:58 mircea_popescu: stickler's

06:08:06 adlai: ye's

06:08:11 BingoBoingo: Sentence refactored again

06:08:27 adlai: it's fucking underlined in blue, how does it not jump out to you

06:09:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81372 @ 0.00036973 = 30.0857 BTC [+]

06:09:32 BingoBoingo: I am blind to the things I write.

06:09:35 mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_scFjd2pSI

06:09:36 assbot: Abracadabra - Steve Millers Band (Lyrics) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ztOWfR )

06:09:44 adlai: actually if we go full anal, strunk & white specifically mentions that the plural of a singular ending in s includes an additional apostrophe+s, so it'd be « Vessenes's »

06:10:06 *: asciilifeform was taught this formula

06:10:16 BingoBoingo: Vessenes is not a singular

06:10:56 BingoBoingo: Y. Pestis does not occur in the singular

06:11:00 mircea_popescu: lmao

06:11:17 mircea_popescu: vesseneii & winklevii

06:11:27 mircea_popescu: actually i suppose it could be winkleix by now

06:11:37 mircea_popescu: they're way past the 8th "launch"of their whatever it is.

06:11:50 BingoBoingo: Winkelgox

06:12:21 mircea_popescu: wynona ryder's somehow going to end up mixed in all this isn't she.

06:12:32 BingoBoingo: Is she still a thing?

06:12:41 mircea_popescu: don't thingify women!

06:12:53 BingoBoingo: She thingified shoplifting

06:13:14 mircea_popescu: she just liberated some items from an oppressive representative hierarchical inventory system.

06:13:36 mircea_popescu: that's not even objective!

06:13:39 BingoBoingo: Right, and it lead to Obama

06:14:01 mircea_popescu: hm. no lead obama, now that'd probably help the environment.

06:14:39 BingoBoingo: And you know where they mine lead? Ozarkistan.

06:16:16 mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge9Ou3-YyqU << this is perhaps the oddest set for a pop song.

06:16:17 assbot: Brian Hyland "Itsy Bitsy Teenie Weenie Yellow Polka Dot Bikini" - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ztPuTa )

06:16:36 mircea_popescu: i suppose they did more solid ice in the 60s than previously thought.

06:17:22 BingoBoingo: Totally. And then Nixon killed the Chemistry hobby.

06:19:32 scoopbot: New post on fraudsters by Mircea Popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2015/more-beat-around-whore-street/

06:21:07 mircea_popescu: http://www.dangerandplay.com/2014/03/17/mating-grounds-geoffrey-miller-tucker-max-hilarity-ensues/ << this shit's pretty lulzy, as far as academic drama goes.

06:21:09 assbot: Mating Grounds: Geoffrey Miller and Tucker Max Copy Danger & Play and Hilarity Ensues - Danger & Play ... ( http://bit.ly/1ztPUbY )

06:24:56 scoopbot: New post on The Whet by han@thewhet: http://thewhet.net/2015/line-betting-on-bitbet-january-2015/

06:27:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1927 @ 0.00095462 = 1.8396 BTC [-] {7}

06:28:27 BingoBoingo: !up BigBitz

06:35:04 mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVcYP3OhlUU << speaking of the http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=29-01-2015#996778 thread

06:35:05 assbot: Tucker Max Is Lying - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ztR5s7 )

06:35:05 assbot: Logged on 29-01-2015 04:14:19; asciilifeform: they 'which room'

06:35:28 mircea_popescu: this guy is supposedly a big deal internet marketing thing. why the fuck does he live in half a kitchinette separated by a pressedboard pane from the other half ?

06:35:32 mircea_popescu: or wtf is going on in there ?

06:36:51 asciilifeform: that's 'roosh'

06:36:59 mircea_popescu: okay.

06:36:59 asciilifeform: (a 'moldbugsphere' blogger, iirc)

06:37:19 asciilifeform: not a mega-business-king

06:37:35 mircea_popescu: well afaik he identifies as a capt'n of the whole "how to get laid" thing.

06:37:53 *: asciilifeform confesses that he was never a regular reader of herr roosh

06:38:00 mircea_popescu: but yes, the general idea is that these are people who trasnform the culture and are well read and etc.

06:38:13 mircea_popescu: i suppose i misunderstand power on top of everything else. and ows did things.

06:38:29 asciilifeform: although his colleague, 'heartiste', once referred to yours truly as 'the moldbug of computer science'

06:38:38 asciilifeform: wasn't sure if this was a plus or minus

06:39:31 mircea_popescu: Daryush Valizadeh,[1] (born June 14, 1979)[2] also known as Roosh V and Roosh Vorek, is an American[3] writer, pick-up artist[4][5] and self-styled "love tourist"[6] of Iranian and Armenian descent,[7] known for his writings on seduction and antifeminism.

06:39:41 mircea_popescu: that's a pretty epic name, valizadeh.

06:40:20 mircea_popescu: "dditionally, Roosh has self-published 14 books, most of which offer advice to men on how to sleep with women in specific countries."

06:40:29 mircea_popescu: come on. 14 books ?!

06:40:56 mircea_popescu: o hey, made the splc kill list.

06:41:25 asciilifeform: not so hard.

06:41:43 asciilifeform: they had a period of adding 'moldy' folks

06:42:11 hanbot: <assbot> Tucker Max Is Lying << dude clinton should've been made emperor stead of impeached. clearly this is the sort of shit they're interested in.

06:42:11 cazalla: self-published as in hey, i uploaded my shit to amazon, i'm an author now

06:42:13 asciilifeform: i even remember a surreal thread, somewhere obscure, where people were pissed at not having been selected yet

06:42:15 mircea_popescu: lmao he never wrote about... hungary ? romania ? czech republic ? wtf is wrong with this guy lmao

06:42:25 mircea_popescu: yeah, go have random sex in iceland.

06:42:55 mircea_popescu: hanbot well somehow it turns out you can't be an emperor on the support of 20something us boys.

06:43:32 mircea_popescu: "Bang Ukraine: How to Have Sex With Ukrainian Girls In Ukraine (2012)"

06:43:47 mircea_popescu: uh... i dunno, go to any of the campuses, pick a girl and take her out to lunch ?

06:43:53 hanbot: oh, right.

06:43:59 mircea_popescu: worked in 1995. worked in 1997. worked in... 2002 iirc.

06:44:24 mircea_popescu: "Roosh's Argentina Compendium: Pickup Tips, City Guides, And Stories (2011) "

06:44:40 *: asciilifeform still has trouble picturing anyone for whom the book - specifically - makes the difference

06:44:42 mircea_popescu: holy shit, there's three different bars within ten blocks of where you live, you can just go there and LOOK at a girl.

06:44:51 mircea_popescu: she'll come right over, and if you speak spanish it's somethinjg like 500 pesos

06:44:53 mircea_popescu: about 30 bux.

06:45:01 mircea_popescu: otherwise whatever, pay her a hundred.

06:45:15 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is not the objective for the 'pickup' folks

06:45:19 mircea_popescu: s/ten blocks of where you live/ten blocks of where I live/

06:45:20 mircea_popescu: but anyway

06:45:30 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but the book costs as much ?

06:45:36 mircea_popescu: i guess the time to read it dun count.

06:45:53 mircea_popescu: sad fact of the matter is, any book costs me about a dollar a page or thereabouts.

06:46:07 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2014#449479

06:46:07 assbot: Logged on 19-01-2014 19:38:32; asciilifeform: as a boy, i read about an 18th c. book, 'Triple Power over the Forces of Hell'

06:46:17 cazalla: haha this guy played a bit too much road rash, it's almost a copy/pasta of coming off your bike in that game http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d92_1422724643 around 0:40

06:46:18 assbot: LiveLeak.com - Biker Goes Airborne ... ( http://bit.ly/1ztS0Zx )

06:46:24 mircea_popescu: http://www.publimetro.co/lo-ultimo/estadounidense-vende-en-amazon-manual-para-acostarse-con-colombianas-sin-tener-que-pagar/lmklfg!T7S2EIsYkHwY/ << apparently columbian press was pissy.

06:47:44 mircea_popescu: "Tucker Max was a hero of mine. I discovered his writing at the age of eighteen, and idolized his literary persona for the next five years. His descent into mediocrity has been painful for me to watch.

06:47:44 mircea_popescu: Most would say that Tucker Max was nothing more than a brief flash-in-the-pan, a pony whose only trick was vulgar frat boy humour. But the reality is that Tucker Max?s stories were more than just entertainment: They articulated a new male identity that was unapologetically masculine and intellectual."

06:48:00 mircea_popescu: this is what you get from "no child left behind"

06:48:02 mircea_popescu: fucking bush.

06:49:42 asciilifeform: in the philosophy of the 'pickup' folks, you don't grade as 'l33t' if you pay the whore

06:49:55 asciilifeform: have to score 'on your merits'

06:50:05 mircea_popescu: so what, if you have money it's not your money ?

06:50:28 BingoBoingo: !b 3

06:50:29 assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3PDX1DS.txt )

06:51:07 mircea_popescu: why the fuck WOULDNT you pay the woman. this is beyond me. i am not discussing a whore here. forget that part. i go out, and notice a girl sitting down. i chat her up, she comes with me and i fuck her. turns out she's 17, she's a virgin, and she's never even THOUGHT of doing anything like this, in her life.

06:51:09 asciilifeform: afaik they don't have a position on money per se, except that it can be used to travel to faraway lands where the great satan has not perverted womankind

06:51:14 mircea_popescu: but kids experiment and she's a kid and she's experimented.

06:51:19 mircea_popescu: and now the idea is, i can't buy her a car.

06:51:21 mircea_popescu: why the fuck not ?

06:51:34 mircea_popescu: has she not earned it ?

06:51:34 asciilifeform: why not

06:51:44 mircea_popescu: brave kid, why shoudn't she have good stuff ?

06:51:57 asciilifeform: afaik the pickup folks have no position on which, if any, car, boeing, planet, one should buy -after-

06:52:03 mircea_popescu: if i don't buy her a car and some fat and bald goofball buys his "daughter" whom his wife had with the plumber the car

06:52:09 mircea_popescu: and he's not even fucking her!

06:52:14 mircea_popescu: what sort of society are we building here!

06:52:37 asciilifeform: the car, as i understand, has to come -after-, or you fished with dynamite - and any idiot with a stick of dynamite can then be a 'great fisherman'

06:52:49 asciilifeform: and such feats of fish-catching are not of interest to the serious scholars.

06:52:51 asciilifeform: sumthinglikethat

06:52:59 mircea_popescu: so working out is okay ?

06:53:02 mircea_popescu: can you wash ?

06:53:11 mircea_popescu: anyone aged 20 and clean can get laid, is that fair ?

06:53:12 asciilifeform: aha. the books actually take the trouble to mention both

06:53:20 mircea_popescu: why those and not this ?

06:53:28 mircea_popescu: is being tall accepted ? or also fishing with dynamite ?

06:53:28 asciilifeform: except for the obvious implication that - why is the reader reading?

06:53:39 asciilifeform: in the words of tlp, 'if you're reading it, it's for you'

06:53:56 mircea_popescu: very feminist/socialist this you know ? "more brownie points for being a tranny than for bein a white male". "why ?" "uhmmm... because we're stupid" "ah ok"

06:54:18 *: asciilifeform did not invent this particular flavour of crackpottery, but has seen a good sampling thereof

06:54:35 mircea_popescu: so money, which someone CAN get , is right off. but being tall, which someone CAN NOT get, and is certainly more on the button than money when hitting on a woman, is ok.

06:54:49 *: asciilifeform regards 'pickup' literature as a very low kind of sc4mz0ry, like shady cancer cures pitched to the desperately ill

06:55:09 mircea_popescu: plenty of stuff is quite reasonable - wash, stay in shape etc.

06:55:16 asciilifeform: don't need book, for this

06:55:20 mircea_popescu: but it's quite clearly something done by the poor for the poor, this.

06:55:29 mircea_popescu: and im not altogether convinced the poor should get laid all that much.

06:55:40 asciilifeform: book is supposed to help you 'cheat' by summoning devils ^H^H^H^H^H^H psy-programming

06:55:55 mircea_popescu: oh don't tell me it's resurecting that neurocrap

06:56:02 asciilifeform: it started, iirc, there.

06:56:07 mircea_popescu: wtf was it called, narrowly missed becoming a grant bezzle

06:56:11 mircea_popescu: ba

06:56:12 mircea_popescu: h

06:56:18 asciilifeform: neuro-linguistic-programming

06:56:21 punkman: david deangelo

06:56:23 asciilifeform: i think it was

06:56:31 punkman: that's it

06:56:43 asciilifeform: a sort of rebranded hypnosis/mesmerism

06:56:52 mircea_popescu: exact fucking equivalent of the "expert systems" failed msword&excel-based approach to hard ai

06:57:24 asciilifeform: one of the facts known to all dedicated students of 'psychoceramics' (study of crackpots! what else, lol) is that genuinely new idiocies are invented quite infrequently

06:57:29 mircea_popescu: hm, i guess the actual practice evolved under selective pressure more towards the cold calling / stage magician thing

06:57:31 asciilifeform: most are rebrandings of something earlier.

06:57:35 mircea_popescu: but i mean intelelctualy, the theory behind it

06:58:18 asciilifeform: but being tall, which someone CAN NOT get, <<<< ahahha. soviet science winz again. had a process for -actually- growing taller.

06:58:27 asciilifeform: they break yer legs and stretch in a specially made frame.

06:58:31 asciilifeform: 1+ yr of wheelchair.

06:58:48 asciilifeform: i'm told that american kidz with more money than sense, still travel to russia to get this.

06:58:55 mircea_popescu: actually i'm being whispered in ear that a) it's called manosphere now, and b) the central point is that women lie a lot and guys hafta be confident.

06:59:01 mircea_popescu: i guess also not need a book for.

06:59:19 asciilifeform: more of less 1 sentence summary of the sane parts ^

06:59:36 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform my intel is great at summaries. it... has to be.

07:01:13 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: understand, -everybody- wants a wunderwaffen.

07:01:14 asciilifeform: e.g.,

07:01:15 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-04-2014#634660

07:01:15 assbot: Logged on 22-04-2014 12:51:23; asciilifeform: phun phact: as a student, i once seriously planned to build a pocket gas chromatographer, to pick up gurlz. how!? to do this - exercise for alert reader.

07:02:48 mircea_popescu: uh.

07:02:59 mircea_popescu: i missed that line. what, see if they're ovulating ? drunk ?

07:03:05 asciilifeform: mhc.

07:03:11 asciilifeform: (see rest of that thread)

07:03:30 asciilifeform: no, did not actually do this!

07:03:46 mircea_popescu: dude really, it's very easy to pick up girls. tell her what to do. if she does it, fine. if she doesn't, there's more.

07:04:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43747 @ 0.00036498 = 15.9668 BTC [-] {2}

07:04:28 asciilifeform: dude really, it is very easy to fly. just bend your arms into an effective lift surface, right angle of attack, and fart really hard.

07:04:49 mircea_popescu: ahaha

07:04:52 mircea_popescu: ok ok

07:04:53 asciilifeform: use suit jacket as ailerons.

07:05:31 mircea_popescu: i am not going to end up writing about this. apparently it's well covered.

07:05:31 BingoBoingo: !b 5

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07:05:45 mircea_popescu: gotcha bb!

07:06:07 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I think the spoiler improves it.

07:06:29 asciilifeform: incidentally, anyone ever wonder what kind of brain damage is necessary to think that someone will sell you a book on how to win the ultimate zero-sum game?

07:06:49 asciilifeform: (well, rather, sell you a book that's worth something)

07:07:05 mircea_popescu: which is the zero sum game ?

07:07:12 asciilifeform: 'pikup'

07:07:22 mircea_popescu: you're not about to tell me that mammal reproduction is a zero sum game

07:07:24 mircea_popescu: holy hell...

07:07:30 mircea_popescu: listen! HEDGEHOGS DO IT.

07:07:30 *: BingoBoingo kind of wants fMRI for investigating this brain damage at some point. Maybe it can live in the belly of 30 foot golden mechanical tiger.

07:07:30 asciilifeform: as envisioned by the practicants!

07:07:42 punkman: is there a "paleo pickup" branch? "work out a lot so you can actually pick them up and walk off with them"

07:07:45 asciilifeform: they posit that the marks should become long-term orbiters of the operator, somehow

07:07:52 mircea_popescu: they do ?

07:08:02 asciilifeform: in at least one text

07:08:04 mircea_popescu: i thought the idea was to always get rid of them, which is why they keep getting shitty sex

07:08:22 asciilifeform: no, in some schools of thought, one is supposed to emplace them in orbits

07:08:30 mircea_popescu: (one has to have shitty sex to imagine literotica is a good description of sexuality and the really really important part about a great piece of ass is her bra size)

07:08:43 punkman: asciilifeform: no, in some schools of thought, one is supposed to emplace them in orbits << the not-harem

07:08:47 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so like... keep slavegirls ?

07:08:56 mircea_popescu: punkman tell ?

07:08:57 BingoBoingo: http://www.totalcriminaldefense.com/news/articles/unusual/taser-forced-versed-injections/

07:08:58 assbot: Are Forced Injections the New Taser? « Total Criminal Defense ... ( http://bit.ly/1ztTYZS )

07:09:06 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the old taser.

07:09:10 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: sop in ussr

07:10:01 mircea_popescu: wow.

07:10:07 mircea_popescu: dude the land of the free....

07:10:13 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Usually here they wait until the hospital. Traditional mixture here is B-52 comprised of Benadryl, 5 mg haloperidol, 2 mg ativan.

07:10:16 asciilifeform: психушка!

07:10:17 punkman: mircea_popescu: they had some acronym for it. long term multiple relationship something

07:10:32 punkman: so multiple girlfriends, but you can't have them at the same time

07:10:41 mircea_popescu: punkman why not ?!

07:10:42 punkman: because it's "hard"

07:10:47 mircea_popescu: no its not lmao.

07:10:52 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: needs floor space.

07:10:57 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: like machining.

07:11:03 mircea_popescu: a) chicks love each other, unless brainwashed otherwise and b) where the fuck is that article brb

07:11:10 punkman: http://www.theattractionforums.com/general-discussion/33739-lifestyle-having-multiple-girlfriends.html

07:11:13 assbot: The Lifestyle of Having Multiple Girlfriends ... ( http://bit.ly/1ztU9UV )

07:11:40 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: like machining. << mill cut Bastard file takes minimal space

07:11:44 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2010/intre-doo-nu-te-ploo/ bah it's in romanian.

07:11:45 assbot: Intre doo nu te ploo pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ztUgzR )

07:11:58 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: that'd be the machinist's equivalent of a 'fleshlight'

07:12:28 BingoBoingo: "Jungle Conditions"

07:12:31 mircea_popescu: anyway, the quote i wanted "A treia observatie este ca-i falsa teoria conform careia a te iubi cu doua fete e dificil din motive de anduranta fizica, adica tu abia rezisti s-o multumesti pe una, ce te faci cind is doua ?!" and from there on, "Ei bine, cu doua fete prezente, dornice si rabolite ambele segmente se extind cacascavalu' pane, si nu se mai dau dom'le duse. Chiar glumeam ca-i distractia pulii situatia, vrea s

07:12:31 mircea_popescu: a se bage putin si-aici, putin si-acolo, si-n gaurica asta ce-i, da-n gaurica aia cumu-i, si nu se mai lasa odata convinsa ca vrea sa incerce din toate ca plodu-n magazinu' de inghetati."

07:12:53 mircea_popescu: i guess ima have to make this english.

07:13:55 punkman: heh http://www.puaforums.com/picking-up-women/126-mltr-multiple-long-term-relationships-tips.html

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07:15:50 asciilifeform: 238389.

07:15:57 punkman: mircea_popescu: dude really, it's very easy to pick up girls. tell her what to do. if she does it, fine. if she doesn't, there's more. << I should "self-publish" that on Amazon

07:16:39 mircea_popescu: "The third point is that the theory by which loving two girls is difficult for cause of limited physical endurance, which is to say you can barely satisfy one, what the fuck to do with two is entirely false.

07:16:40 mircea_popescu: I know not of others, but of myself I can testify of how testy things go. In any sexual act by which I mean copulation, there's present two segments. The first, from onset until I feel I can ejaculate if I wish to, an the second from there on, which is to say until whether I wish to or not, it's coming out. Depending on various factors, such as if I'm tired, or not well acquainted with the miss and I'm shocked by how g

07:16:40 mircea_popescu: ood she looks etc, the second segment may compress even to a quarter inute and such, but otherwise it's generally equal to the first, half hour, an hour, whatever.

07:16:42 mircea_popescu: Well, with two girls present, eager and widely spread both segments expand like grilled cheese, and won't get gone already! We were even laughing at the cock's amusement, it wants a little in there, and a little in here, but what's in this little hole, how's it like in that one, it just woudn't give up because it kept wanting to try stuff like the kid in the icecream store."

07:16:47 asciilifeform: punkman: see guide to flying, same thread.

07:16:47 mircea_popescu: there.

07:18:33 BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats

07:18:37 gribble: Current Blocks: 341592 | Current Difficulty: 4.127287389469702E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 342719 | Next Difficulty In: 1127 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 12 hours, 19 minutes, and 12 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 45096160710.8 | Estimated Percent Change: 9.26344

07:19:03 punkman: asciilifeform: what's missing from the recipe?

07:19:15 punkman: looks very adequate to me

07:19:18 asciilifeform: punkman: nothing whatsoever. the recipe is complete, total, perfect.

07:19:23 asciilifeform: now get thee to the airstrip.

07:19:24 *: mircea_popescu bows.

07:19:34 mircea_popescu: don't add useless in there!

07:24:14 BingoBoingo: detail http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2004/03/03/things_i_wont_touch_1.php

07:24:15 assbot: Things I Won't Touch (1). In the Pipeline: ... ( http://bit.ly/1CoLQ0g )

07:24:26 cazalla: mircea_popescu> and im not altogether convinced the poor should get laid all that much. <<< isn't that all the poor do? what else are ya gonna do but fuck

07:24:38 mircea_popescu: cazalla that'd be the problem.

07:25:00 mircea_popescu: not for the retarded reasons of "omg they're making babies" or stupid like that.

07:25:32 cazalla: i got laid far more when i had next to nothing and lived at home with my parents

07:25:50 mircea_popescu: the problem is that if you running around in a circle yields you 10 dopamine bitcoins per hour, and actually reading the logs yields you 1 dopamine bitcoin per hour increasing by 10% every subsequent hour,

07:25:58 mircea_popescu: you're going to end up on the forum.

07:26:29 mircea_popescu: poor people have this very massive twin headed disadvantage where a) they start from a very low basis, hence the 1 bitcoin and b) they start surrounded by morons, so nobody to tell them about the importance of %s

07:27:31 mircea_popescu: fucking less when you're poor is a great plan. you'll get bored, which makes you question your environment, and perhaps even find better shit to do.

07:27:58 asciilifeform: what's next, suggest doing less dope when poor? less drink? lol

07:27:59 mircea_popescu: and generally, cutting down on everything you enjoy whenever you don't like where you are generally is a splendid plan.

07:28:08 mircea_popescu: so fundamentally good even most animals know and apply it.

07:28:13 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform quite.

07:28:24 *: asciilifeform adjusts hair shirt

07:28:36 mircea_popescu: simply that : whenever you don't like where you are, do less of everything you like and more of everything that's hard.

07:28:52 asciilifeform: simulated annealing...

07:29:10 BingoBoingo: perhaps even actual annealing

07:30:25 BingoBoingo: http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2015/01/the-selling-of-the-avocado/385047/?single_page=true << Decent summary of the Marvel phenomenon

07:30:26 assbot: The Selling of the Avocado - The Atlantic ... ( http://bit.ly/1ztVJGz )

07:32:31 cazalla: nz grows nice avocados

07:33:26 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo california's really going to shit for produce isnt it

07:36:51 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Haven't been there myself to check but most produce here seems to come from Chile, Peru, and Mexico

07:37:06 BingoBoingo: Or if in season it comes locally.

07:37:14 mircea_popescu: california used to be a huge vegetable and so forth producer

07:37:19 mircea_popescu: fed about half the us i nthe 70s

07:37:37 BingoBoingo: Right, but then came the water troubles

07:37:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43100 @ 0.0003598 = 15.5074 BTC [-]

07:38:24 BingoBoingo: Far more farms locally doing the produce thing though. Might be that California priced itself out.

07:38:50 mircea_popescu: mebbe

07:40:14 BingoBoingo: Could be the california wine thing's expanded into land that used to be produce? Could be any number of things, but... They just don't own the produce section like they used to.

07:41:06 mircea_popescu: myeah

07:41:19 mircea_popescu: here's a well known open secret : wine is not a market.

07:41:28 mircea_popescu: europe is sitting on a lake of wine the size of wisconsin.

07:42:03 punkman: http://www.winesandvines.com/template.cfm?section=widc&widcDomain=home&widcYYYYMM=201412

07:42:04 assbot: Wines & Vines - Wine Industry Data Center ... ( http://bit.ly/1ztWHlZ )

07:42:34 BingoBoingo: American wine mostly consists of Gallo et al and people who want to own wineries jsut because

07:43:01 mircea_popescu: i guess it's the puritan thing to do. can't buy the girl her own car, but you can have her over at your exclusive winery resort / dude farm for aweek.

07:43:26 punkman: and your shit wine costs you $2k a bottle

07:43:30 mircea_popescu: so she can bring a bunch of dudes over and then you can text her abvout how she shouldn't instagram black cock stretching her out

07:43:34 cazalla: BingoBoingo, a bunch of aussies found that one out the hard way.. ass droppped out of the aussie grape market

07:43:43 mircea_popescu: and you can be called out by gawker and lose your team for half a billion

07:43:46 mircea_popescu: which will buy more wineries.

07:44:15 mircea_popescu: punkman meanwhile fine bordeaux can readily be had for 50 euros a bottle./

07:44:15 BingoBoingo: Pretty much how it works.

07:44:51 punkman: mircea_popescu: and local wine costs about 2-3eur a liter

07:45:20 mircea_popescu: generally yeah. bout what it is in romania, italy and every other producing country.

07:45:26 punkman: and since I'm a barbarian, I even buy it in a box

07:45:37 mircea_popescu: and i think it's fine and i also drink it, so there's that.

07:45:46 mircea_popescu: meh, i stick to bottles.

07:45:48 BingoBoingo: Local (Illinois/Missouri) can run $7-15 a bottle. Not particularly good, but more flavor than Gallo

07:46:05 mircea_popescu: but yes, recas (timisoara's pocket winery) has plenty of passable wines from 15 lei.

07:47:18 punkman: about wine lake: " Plan Bordeaux: an initiative introduced in 2005 by ONIVINS, the French vintners association, designed to reduce France's wine glut and improve sales. Part of the plan is to uproot 17,000 hectares of the 124,000 hectares of vineyards in Bordeaux."

07:47:58 mircea_popescu: myeah.

07:49:35 punkman: why don't they make some room for cows that taste good

07:51:06 BingoBoingo: ^Another California problem. Wasting land on Cows that would be fine in Wisconsin, and promoting "California Cheese"

07:51:40 punkman: france exports a lot of cow. I've yet to buy one that's fit for something other than stew

07:52:11 punkman: I did have some steak of Uruguay the other day, was excellent.

07:55:22 cazalla: they grow nice cows here on king island, cost a bit extra but tasty so ya know, prob best steak in australia, least from what i've purchased

07:55:43 cazalla: and being from tasmania, gotta be good

08:00:29 punkman: so when someone wants to buy some live cows from latin america, do you have to airmail it?

08:01:40 punkman: ah ok cow-boat is a thing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livestock_carrier

08:01:41 assbot: Livestock carrier - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1ztYyr6 )

08:03:11 mircea_popescu: you airmail it by asciilifeform method.

08:03:16 mircea_popescu: they do produce methane.

08:03:31 punkman: cow-rocket does sound faster

08:05:05 mircea_popescu: plus with any luck it arrives cooked.

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08:09:44 punkman: if you are the Sultan of Oman, you can apparently airmail even 200 cows at once. http://modernfarmer.com/2014/01/ship-cow/

08:09:47 assbot: How to Ship a Cow - Modern Farmer ... ( http://bit.ly/1D4BKki )

08:23:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56500 @ 0.00036292 = 20.505 BTC [+] {2}

08:26:06 punkman: offline arm-box decided to die, hmm

08:26:33 punkman: maybe time to get a pogo

08:41:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00036732 = 5.5833 BTC [+]

09:00:19 mircea_popescu: http://abovethelaw.com/2015/01/lawyer-arrested-for-doing-her-job/

09:00:20 assbot: Lawyer Arrested For Doing Her Job | Above the Law ... ( http://bit.ly/1K2kMVG )

09:00:23 mircea_popescu: this shit's pretty epic.

09:00:36 mircea_popescu: " A veteran Assistant Public Defender in San Francisco, Jami Tillotson, was in a courtroom when she learned that another of her clients was being questioned in the hallway by a platoon of officers led by a plainclothes officer, Sergeant Inspector Brian Stansbury. When Tillotson intervened to point out that the police can?t go around questioning a guy that they know to be represented outside the presence of his lawyer

09:00:36 mircea_popescu: , she was arrested.

09:00:36 mircea_popescu: For ?resisting arrest,? even though her response to being threatened with arrest was ?please do,? followed by immediate submission. If ?please do? has become the new standard for resisting, we can set the Doomsday clock to 1 minute to 1984."

09:00:39 mircea_popescu: video included.

09:02:51 mircea_popescu: "And, of course, witnesses report that Inspector Stansbury did go ahead and ask questions after the guy?s lawyer gets led away. There?s the subtlety of the job right there: do something that won?t raise the ire of a court to get a foot in the door, use that to intimidate, then get the target to start volunteering information in a vain effort to make the intimidation end. Standard procedure. Tillotson knew what wa

09:02:51 mircea_popescu: s going down and got chained to a wall for an hour for her efforts.

09:02:51 mircea_popescu: That?s right, she got chained to a wall."

09:04:26 mircea_popescu: shooting policemen on sight is supposed to appear as a morally dubious choice ?

09:04:41 mircea_popescu: i dunno, i really can't get all excited when various poor people do it. i can see exactly why.

09:11:48 mircea_popescu: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/20141118152523-205984021-my-start-up-made-200k-in-it-s-first-two-months-and-i-m-embarrassed << lawl.

09:11:50 assbot: My Start-up Made 200k In Its First Two Months...And I'm Embarrassed | Tucker Max | LinkedIn ... ( http://bit.ly/1CRiIgT )

09:12:11 mircea_popescu: Melissa "You're an entrepreneur, right?"

09:12:11 mircea_popescu: Tucker "Yeah, of course."

09:13:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101644 @ 0.0003596 = 36.5512 BTC [-]

09:14:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12466 @ 0.0003593 = 4.479 BTC [-]

09:28:31 punkman: book in a box!!!1!11

09:31:32 punkman: ah ok ghostwriting 2.0

09:34:31 mircea_popescu: stupidest thing i ever heard. as if the hard part about getting someone to translate romanian fraudsters is "how to package the articles in querstion". that's the big deal, whether to save them as .jpg or .xls

09:35:33 punkman: tucker's biography is gonna be way more funny than his stories

09:35:43 mircea_popescu: depends if he writes it.

09:35:52 mircea_popescu: i'd like to see silverman do it tbh.

09:35:56 punkman: he will ghostwrite it with his own two hands

10:09:26 davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-02-2015#1002495 <<< i can unfortunately relate ...

10:09:26 assbot: Logged on 02-02-2015 07:51:40; punkman: france exports a lot of cow. I've yet to buy one that's fit for something other than stew

10:10:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84950 @ 0.00036808 = 31.2684 BTC [+] {3}

10:13:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10792 @ 0.00036973 = 3.9901 BTC [+]

10:14:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25110 @ 0.00037002 = 9.2912 BTC [+]

10:18:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 226484 @ 0.00035897 = 81.301 BTC [-] {2}

10:27:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21316 @ 0.00035676 = 7.6047 BTC [-]

10:36:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22334 @ 0.00035885 = 8.0146 BTC [+]

11:11:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 141239 @ 0.00034992 = 49.4224 BTC [-] {2}

11:30:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107450 @ 0.00035175 = 37.7955 BTC [+] {3}

12:07:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72650 @ 0.00034558 = 25.1064 BTC [-]

12:23:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 155500 @ 0.00037072 = 57.647 BTC [+] {2}

12:44:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59784 @ 0.00035527 = 21.2395 BTC [-] {2}

12:45:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41672 @ 0.00034366 = 14.321 BTC [-]

12:47:39 mats: http://www.usw.org/news/media-center/releases/2015/national-oil-bargaining-talks-break-down-usw-calls-for-work-stoppage-at-nine-oil-refineries-plants

12:47:40 assbot: National Oil Bargaining Talks Break Down: USW Calls for Work Stoppage at Nine Oil Refineries, Plants | United Steelworkers ... ( http://bit.ly/1yu8ezf )

12:48:20 mats: this is gonna be good

13:02:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 155723 @ 0.00037547 = 58.4693 BTC [+] {2}

13:03:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51503 @ 0.00037883 = 19.5109 BTC [+] {2}

13:12:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 140900 @ 0.00038016 = 53.5645 BTC [+]

13:21:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22184 @ 0.00038016 = 8.4335 BTC [+]

13:45:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10906 @ 0.00038015 = 4.1459 BTC [-] {2}

14:07:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44300 @ 0.0003806 = 16.8606 BTC [+] {3}

14:09:10 jurov: thestringpuller: lol ryanxcharles, bitcoin should be written in node.js ?? you aware of this? http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2u7ddq/the_real_reason_ryan_charles_was_fired_from/

14:09:14 assbot: The real reason Ryan Charles was fired from reddit: he spent the entire duration of his employment working on a port of bitcoin core to Javascript. : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1z6Hzri )

14:15:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60047 @ 0.00038134 = 22.8983 BTC [+]

14:17:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68000 @ 0.00037104 = 25.2307 BTC [-] {2}

14:44:29 mats: the_scourge: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/wot_and_reputation

14:44:30 assbot: wot_and_reputation [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/16lkStn )

14:44:35 mats: !up the_scourge

14:45:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.09700913 = 1.0671 BTC [-] {3}

14:47:45 mats: !up the_scourge

14:48:23 mats: found a dude thats read mp and loper

14:51:51 punkman: ddos'd?

14:53:31 mats: i doubt it

14:54:30 mats: i'm in agony

14:55:12 mats: i ate an entire package of seitan, like 14oz of it, after i came back from the gym last night

14:56:06 mats: huge mistake... i don't think my stomach can process ~100 grams of protein

15:00:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2033 @ 0.00094998 = 1.9313 BTC [+] {6}

15:20:13 fluffypony: how the hell is Gray's Anatomy still going

15:20:16 fluffypony: surely everyone has died

15:20:36 fluffypony: 11 seasons, damn

15:21:06 thestringpuller: i could say same about dr. who

15:21:27 fluffypony: eugh yeah, that too

15:22:00 thestringpuller: mats: d00d. eat as much fiber as possible.

15:22:06 thestringpuller: You'll poop it out easier.

15:22:16 thestringpuller: I used to do the same thing as a kid.

15:32:03 thestringpuller: http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/30/politics/jim-webb-white-working-people/ << lol.

15:42:21 davout: http://www.coinfinance.com/news/bonafide-raises-850k-for-bitcoin-reputation-system

15:42:23 assbot: Bonafide Raises $850k for Bitcoin Reputation System ... ( http://bit.ly/16ajsRr )

15:46:48 thestringpuller: this sounds like a terrible product davout

15:47:31 thestringpuller: "Rather than attempt to get individuals and firms to sign up for the website and ask for their reputations to be validated, Bonafide uses publicly available information — data from social networks and Bitcoin networks — to report on people and companies in the Bitcoin industry." << why not just do this stuff yourself?

15:48:23 thestringpuller: additionally isn't the point of reputation peer based to begin with?

15:50:45 davout: yep

15:51:21 davout: wait a couple of months and some derp will come up with a btcjam variation built on top of it

15:51:51 jurov: !t m f.mpif

15:51:51 assbot: [MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.0002 / 0.00020482 / 0.000205 (21190 shares, 4.34 BTC)

15:52:11 mircea_popescu: teh consumers have come to expect, davout

15:52:23 jurov: !mpif

15:52:24 assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021368 B (Total: 467.27 B). Delta: -1.93 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000205 BTC [+]

15:52:40 mats: mixing social networks and bitcoin networks? isn't that what keybase does?

15:52:44 thestringpuller: how come btcjam hasn't gotten shut down MTGox style?

15:53:13 davout: because they honor withdrawals i guess?

15:53:19 thestringpuller: mats: that's onename.io

15:54:13 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller because they never actually got that much mainstream exposure.

15:54:33 mircea_popescu: they're mostly like reddit, a bunch of losers with nothing better on their plate hoping to get money "somehow"

15:54:50 kakobrekla: <assbot> Bonafide Raises $850k for Bitcoin Reputation System . < whats wrong with asswot nao?

15:55:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55050 @ 0.00038134 = 20.9928 BTC [+]

15:55:09 kakobrekla: oh oh i see

15:55:11 kakobrekla: no css

15:55:56 davout: kakobrekla: user has to keyboard

15:56:02 PeterL: thestringpuller: "Bonafide uses publicly available information — data from social networks and Bitcoin networks — to report on people and companies in the Bitcoin industry." << why not just do this stuff yourself? << makes sense to compile various WoTs, gribbleWot and AssWoT are slowly diverging, it would be nice to have one place to look at both

15:56:19 PeterL: not saying I trust them, but the idea has merit

15:56:39 thestringpuller: it's not a true reputation system just and aggregator

15:56:46 thestringpuller: an*

15:57:07 PeterL: right

15:57:15 thestringpuller: and as you said how can you trust the information aggregated unless you vet it yourself

15:57:21 thestringpuller: so it kinda defeats the purpose?

15:57:27 PeterL: gives you a place to start though

15:58:10 PeterL: and I also don't see why they need 850k to make said system?

15:58:25 thestringpuller: ^-that too

15:58:55 PeterL: somebody wants to "invest in bitcoin companies", but has more money than sense?

15:59:35 thestringpuller: its a trend that's gone the way of the sitcom by now it seems

15:59:47 PeterL: they probably won't even think to include GribbleWot and AssWoT in their agregator

16:00:08 thestringpuller: "I have great idea". Next "YCombinator-it". Raise seed funding. Run out of money. Ask mommy daddy for more. Rinse repeat.

16:00:34 kakobrekla: ofc not, nobody even uses irc anymore

16:01:03 PeterL: they end up with no money, where did it all go? who is winning from this chumpatron?

16:01:03 thestringpuller: asswot only requires IRC to leave reputations

16:01:19 mats: https://trmm.net/Taking_things_apart

16:01:21 assbot: Taking things apart - Trammell Hudson's Projects ... ( http://bit.ly/1zN18eU )

16:01:46 thestringpuller: you could probably abstract the IRC part of asswot with a stand alone client

16:02:02 kakobrekla: https://bonafide.io/static/images/laptop-product2.png

16:02:04 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zN1eTS )

16:02:06 kakobrekla: wtf is that 'balance' doing there?

16:02:25 kakobrekla: in bezzle format even

16:02:49 mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> no css << to quote myself, you're thinking actual dollars, someone saved. these however are not that, they're fictitious dollars yellen printed.

16:02:54 mircea_popescu: not in any sense comparable.

16:03:26 mike_c: oh my. everything being tracked in that product shot is from web wallets.

16:03:30 mircea_popescu: <PeterL> not saying I trust them, but the idea has merit << the idea has merit in your eyes on the unwarranted assumption that it is being implementred by people in the wot.

16:04:11 kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> not in any sense comparable. < doesnt matter as long as someone else doesnt care

16:04:16 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller> it's not a true reputation system just and aggregator << actually, it's a repackaging of an ancient idea in the words du jour. tucker max also made a "itsuptoyou" website that was essentially... yet another (meanwhile failed) blog.

16:04:29 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla so then don't care and it won't matter ? :)

16:04:30 PeterL: well, yes, it only works if done right. (kinda goes without saying)

16:04:41 kakobrekla: lol not i!

16:04:45 mircea_popescu: PeterL but the thing is you're not saying and they're not working :)

16:04:47 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla oic.

16:05:03 mircea_popescu: PeterL kinda like how murican marriages work too.

16:05:39 mircea_popescu: anyway, it needs 850k so people can be paying rents, mortgages and college debt in california.

16:05:46 thestringpuller: ^-

16:05:50 thestringpuller: d00de

16:05:54 mircea_popescu: has exactly nothing to do with anything else.

16:06:04 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: this is the entire point of ycombinator

16:06:23 thestringpuller: you have "good idea" that really is bad but seems "interesting" so get paid to live while working on it

16:06:32 thestringpuller: cause you aren't employable otherwise

16:06:44 mircea_popescu: nah. you get paid so you can spend a little of your own money ON TOP.

16:06:47 PeterL: although, I don't see how it could make any money?

16:07:12 mircea_popescu: PeterL but it making money is not the point. the idea isn't for -god forbid- some inept cocklets ending up with control of the means of production./

16:07:28 mircea_popescu: the idea is to keep the battery chickens distracted, and their attention firmly focused on the state.

16:07:33 thestringpuller: the interesting phenomenon of the homeless entrepreneur in the bay area. more each year.

16:07:35 mircea_popescu: so they don't form relationships either.

16:07:53 mircea_popescu: control of capital and control of relationships. that's exactly why we're about bitcoin and about the wot.

16:08:33 thestringpuller: so given SF's economy is pretty much ponzi (floating on start up money) does the entire place become oakland 2.0 when it all falls apart?

16:08:47 mircea_popescu: PeterL you have to understand, 99% of the circulating material is just that. they get fed hay, they shit it out, it goes on the pasture, which makes more hay. the people live off the wool produced, which is a side effect.

16:09:00 PeterL: thestringpuller: maybe it would be worse?

16:09:02 mircea_popescu: the homeostasis is otherwise build out of circulating materials that get endlessly recyucled.

16:09:21 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller it can't become oakland, because these are whiny white nerds.

16:09:46 mircea_popescu: they have no fundamental culture, like black dudes do have. they don't even know how to like without facebook.

16:10:07 PeterL: maybe Oakland takes over SF and kicks out (or enslaves) the whiney white guys?

16:10:12 mircea_popescu: no, it will become manchester in 1990.

16:10:43 mircea_popescu: hm i guess that doesn't really mean so much.

16:10:54 mircea_popescu: well... everyone seen trainspotting ? that's where it's headed. those kids.

16:11:14 thestringpuller: ^- hah aids and heroin

16:11:44 mircea_popescu: pretty much. and dead babies.

16:11:57 mircea_popescu: dead babies who died of being hungry for a month while nobody noticed.

16:12:14 mircea_popescu: and that fucking gray.

16:13:33 PeterL: BingoBoingo: Half a yard from the end zone and Captain Nigger tosses an interception. Bullshit ending to the game. << I liked the end, and I thought the play could have worked, both players had their hands on the ball, defensive guy just wanted it more

16:16:14 PeterL: BingoBoingo:Indeed. Would have been nice to see Seattle win on the ground and close the book on the Air Assault era that ushered in << Ground game worked for MSU in the Cotton Bowl, overcame Baylor setting air records.

16:16:40 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla by the way, if you feel like spending a year doing it, i'm pretty sure many/most ba projects COULD be shopped for bay area investment.

16:16:57 mircea_popescu: you'll have to go there, and you'll have to meet people. i'll back you, if you want to do it.

16:18:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 179100 @ 0.00036867 = 66.0288 BTC [-] {3}

16:18:36 mircea_popescu: holy shit this is still going /

16:18:57 mircea_popescu: lol qntra ended up with some buyside out of the deal too.

16:18:57 scoopbot: New post on fraudsters by Mircea Popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2015/no-such-labs-snsa-january-2015-statement/

16:19:10 mircea_popescu: someone tell mr moneybags there aren't even half that many shares in circulation lolz.

16:37:30 asciilifeform: rip, carl djerassi.

16:37:32 asciilifeform: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-01-31/carl-djerassi-chemist-behind-birth-control-pill-dies-at-91

16:37:34 assbot: Carl Djerassi, Chemist Behind Birth-Control Pill, Dies at 91 - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1K3DQCW )

16:37:58 mircea_popescu: his white pill did more for the red pill than any blue pillers wish to admit.

16:39:45 asciilifeform: how many pushers of whatever political 'pill' can write one coherent paragraph re: what djerassi did.

16:40:45 mircea_popescu: myeah.

16:41:05 mircea_popescu: to quote hanbot, "you know had i not met you i don't think i ever would have realized how well anthropology and sadism go together."

16:42:06 asciilifeform: 245870, incidentally.

16:42:21 mircea_popescu: not bad.

16:43:14 PeterL: "The Nuclear Sciences Division within the Energy and Environment Directorate is seeking a Senior Plutonium Chemist. The candidate must have research experience and expertise in chemistry and processing of macro quantities of plutonium." << Too bad this doesn't fit my background ...

16:43:25 asciilifeform: unfortunately the timing of that experiment will soon be ruined, it is running on a gigantic portable that will be going into a knapsack in a few min.

16:43:54 mircea_popescu: PeterL apply anyway.

16:44:05 mircea_popescu: word around the terrorist campfire is, the usg is really running short on talent.

16:44:18 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what you're moving again ?

16:44:24 asciilifeform: bastard node

16:44:58 asciilifeform: it'll be down for about ~1h each leg of trip.

16:45:22 asciilifeform: putting this here for anyone who actually gives a damn re: the numbers, timing.

16:45:25 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform tradecraft, he lives in places 3 months at a time

16:45:37 asciilifeform: lol it's a portable

16:45:45 asciilifeform: not moving in the sense of changing address

16:45:49 asciilifeform: but i do occasionally leave the house

16:45:55 asciilifeform: (see s.nsa broadcast!)

16:46:18 mircea_popescu: :p

16:47:19 asciilifeform: 'bonafide' corp << the 'pretend #b-a doesn't exist, never existed, wouldn't matter if did exit' stratagem chugs along.

16:48:07 mircea_popescu: certainly not to ba's detriment :D

16:48:22 mircea_popescu: what would any disease want more than for the host to claim it's perfctly healthy ?

16:52:31 PeterL: That was me the past couple days: I'm fine, I'm fine, I'll get better, I'm hacking up gobs of bloody phlegm I guess I'll go to the doctor

16:52:50 mircea_popescu: lol

16:52:53 mircea_popescu: bronchitis ?

16:53:01 PeterL: strep throat

16:53:05 mircea_popescu: ("no, pulmonar oedema")

17:03:10 mircea_popescu: mats: this is gonna be good <<< it's pretty threatening, shell has really no interest to refine further, at least for the next three months.

17:03:23 mircea_popescu: most toothless stoppage ever, but it does take a bite out of obama.

17:08:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26416 @ 0.00036362 = 9.6054 BTC [-]

17:16:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 138400 @ 0.000372 = 51.4848 BTC [+] {3}

17:28:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86100 @ 0.00036077 = 31.0623 BTC [-]

17:30:08 mircea_popescu: "The anti-fork crowd mostly consists of a small minority of ego-maniacal, 1% wannabees who want to keep Bitcoin as a niche market for elitist whales because it suits their vested interests. "

17:30:32 mircea_popescu: so much brainwarp. man i love bitcoin.

17:31:10 thestringpuller: where was that posted?

17:31:21 thestringpuller: reddit?

17:31:26 thestringpuller: or tardtalk?

17:32:28 ben_vulpes: hola pumperos

17:34:29 thestringpuller: who u callin a pumpero?

17:35:52 jurov: thestringpuller calm down, just some niggers

17:37:15 thestringpuller: "That's our word jurov you have no business using it!" lol (family guy reference)

17:37:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108982 @ 0.00038174 = 41.6028 BTC [+] {2}

17:45:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 156498 @ 0.00035996 = 56.333 BTC [-] {2}

17:47:34 ben_vulpes: re grape market << what are the best plants to farm for turning solar energy into sugar?

17:47:52 *: ben_vulpes wants to own an alcohol farm

17:48:11 ben_vulpes: and none of these fancy "wine" thingies - that's an opaque and stupid market to sell into full of branding and other crap.

17:48:17 trinque: oooh! now there's a timeless business

17:48:26 ben_vulpes: etoh, baby. something i put in a furnace and get real fuckin hot.

17:48:37 ben_vulpes: something i can douse gunshot wounds in.

17:48:39 ben_vulpes: something i can drink.

17:48:52 thestringpuller: ben_vulpes you want to fucking distill?

17:49:00 thestringpuller: just make some fucking beer mr. hipster

17:49:03 thestringpuller: lolol

17:49:17 thestringpuller: isn't moonshining rather dangerous

17:49:39 ben_vulpes: can't burn beer

17:49:40 punkman: you can distill grapes, plus they are useful for other things

17:49:47 kakobrekla: then you will want to do schnapps (plums) or whiskey/bourbon

17:50:57 kakobrekla: i think plums are your best bet here

17:56:00 jurov: depends on climate, most fruits would do

17:56:28 trinque: plums can handle the pacific nw

18:07:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108518 @ 0.00038203 = 41.4571 BTC [+] {2}

18:07:49 mats: !up the_scourge

18:08:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3732 @ 0.00038245 = 1.4273 BTC [+]

18:09:31 the_scourge: trinque: also gravenstein apples are VERY adept in the pacific NW all the way up to cape scott

18:19:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1420 @ 0.00095934 = 1.3623 BTC [+] {7}

18:40:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70150 @ 0.00036754 = 25.7829 BTC [-]

18:44:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2000 @ 0.00096961 = 1.9392 BTC [+] {4}

18:55:36 kakobrekla: https://i.imgur.com/n9Th4q5.jpg

18:55:38 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1yvQGm7 )

18:56:56 trinque: kakobrekla: used that one in high school :)

18:57:40 kakobrekla: tru hax0r

18:57:56 trinque: heh no, but many a quake match

19:00:46 PeterL: thestringpuller:isn't moonshining rather dangerous << If you know what you are doing and have the right safety measures in place it is not really dangerous

19:05:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 405558 @ 0.00038143 = 154.692 BTC [+] {3}

19:05:40 coderwill: trinque: ah, a fellow quake player - nice to meet you :bows:

19:05:59 trinque: coderwill: shamefully it has been years

19:06:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18842 @ 0.00038565 = 7.2664 BTC [+]

19:06:52 coderwill: trinque: same

19:07:24 coderwill: trinque: but years ago, i must admit that i played so much that my eyes would tear as if i were crying or something

19:07:39 coderwill: trinque: was all in to clans, etc. hehe

19:12:39 mats: !up the_scourge

19:14:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99685 @ 0.00038587 = 38.4655 BTC [+] {2}

19:16:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32550 @ 0.00036754 = 11.9634 BTC [-]

19:37:45 scoopbot: New post on serialized delusions by JuroV: http://explo.yt/post/2015/02/02/F.MPIF-January-2015-trading-statement

19:38:02 jurov: looky it works

19:38:04 thestringpuller: anyone reporting on this: https://twitter.com/kari_paul/status/562279244626411521 ?

19:39:03 danielpbarron: hah

19:39:08 thestringpuller: cazalla & BingoBoingo?

19:42:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46246 @ 0.00038604 = 17.8528 BTC [+] {2}

19:43:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22704 @ 0.00038806 = 8.8105 BTC [+] {2}

19:57:32 BingoBoingo: * ben_vulpes wants to own an alcohol farm << Rye, prolly cheaper to just buy by the ton

19:57:44 trinque: thestringpuller: seems the precedent being established is "if you're in bitcoin, you may not defend yourself in court"

20:02:56 BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/02/preet-bharara-and-dratel-battle-over-defense-witness-plain-text-of-filings/#update

20:02:57 assbot: Preet Bharara and Dratel Battle Over Defense Witness (Plain Text of Filings) | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1uRA2fe )

20:03:12 BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: ^

20:03:22 ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: but what about when it *can't* be bought?

20:04:18 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Make friends? Have farm, build storage for bought rye and use your land for cash crops.

20:05:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10130 @ 0.00038814 = 3.9319 BTC [+]

20:05:41 BingoBoingo: Oh people are now ripping off MP's conference format http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-elite-meet-secret-island-bilderberg-style-retreat/

20:05:41 assbot: Bitcoin Elite to Gather on Secret Island for Bilderberg-Style Retreat ... ( http://bit.ly/1uRApXj )

20:05:44 jurov: announce: qntra shares credited to coinbr users who requested it

20:08:58 BingoBoingo: Ty jurov

20:14:02 thestringpuller: MP stole GLBSE's idea

20:14:16 thestringpuller: jk

20:15:36 danielpbarron: http://satoshiroundtable.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/escudo-shatoshi-779x1024.png << they even got the dogecoin dog in the logo

20:15:38 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1uRBLBi )

20:17:53 TomServo: Well thank goodness for that. Someone might've taken it seriously otherwise.

20:17:53 jurov: "Another example is that some CEOs fear to attack known scams in public because..." lol so they will attack them privately?

20:18:04 danielpbarron: they put all the people who are banned from bitcoin in one convenient list

20:19:13 danielpbarron: although I don't see derpopolus on the list

20:19:18 jurov: they won't resist parading and making press statements... can qntra send anyone?

20:20:57 thestringpuller: i'd go if they didn't still lynch negroes

20:21:49 ben_vulpes: http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/globalguerrillas/2015/02/bots-and-the-super-empowered-individual.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+typepad%2FrzYD+%28Global+Guerrillas%29

20:21:51 assbot: Exploiting the Robocaller Gap - Global Guerrillas ... ( http://bit.ly/1uRCyCa )

20:22:12 thestringpuller: mod6: dat feeling hearing Jeezy's verse on the Hustlin' remix

20:26:29 BingoBoingo: <jurov> they won't resist parading and making press statements... can qntra send anyone? << Maybe we'll get invites next time?

20:29:22 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/FranBerkman/status/562276041918783488

20:29:23 assbot: Judge Forrest on defense's proposed /hashtag/Bitcoin?src=hash expert: "The court has no idea what Mr. Antonopoulos' qualifications are." /hashtag/SilkRoadTrial?src=hash

20:31:13 mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> and none of these fancy "wine" thingies << corn.

20:32:05 mircea_popescu: "Changing the fees to be higher for Bitcoin, is going against what people like to say are some of the best things about Bitcoin, it's like changing what Bitcoin is."

20:32:11 mircea_popescu: "bitcoin is what derps like to say it is"

20:32:14 mircea_popescu: logic.

20:32:20 asciilifeform: conference << does it include silverware, to wear on head?

20:32:48 BingoBoingo: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8zNXsaCYAAVRTS.jpg

20:32:49 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/16n6mS1 )

20:32:58 mircea_popescu: jurov they pay qntra to attend. once they actually get some money together and can afford being in the actual press.

20:33:41 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo except this isn't a democracy.

20:34:03 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Of course, I'm highlighting the "meta-wrong"

20:34:39 BingoBoingo: However long Obama's USSA persists they will imagine such things

20:35:12 mircea_popescu: well actually, that's nothing. i await with eagerness to see what the next democrat is going to promise.

20:35:20 mircea_popescu: i mean, they gotta keep raising it.

20:35:26 trinque: basic income

20:35:31 mircea_popescu: how much ?

20:35:32 trinque: that's the motherload right there

20:35:40 mircea_popescu: it has to be at least 900

20:35:41 trinque: hell everyone should make 50k/yr

20:36:07 trinque: why don't they just come harvest blood from me directly

20:36:25 asciilifeform: lol, why not 50 trillion

20:36:38 trinque: asciilifeform: the "right to happiness"

20:36:41 trinque: the pursuit is inhumane

20:37:07 asciilifeform: not like it costs so much more to print the word 'trillion' on bill

20:37:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 286200 @ 0.00037014 = 105.9341 BTC [-] {3}

20:37:46 thestringpuller: "It's called Moronitor because it tracks users who repeatedly use the same address." << re: Bonafide

20:37:52 mircea_popescu: pity bill clinton's no longer in office

20:37:58 mircea_popescu: he could have made the bill-ion

20:38:01 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> not like it costs so much more to print the word 'trillion' on bill << We might have to run that past nubbins'

20:38:22 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller speaking of the bona fide, i got some pics earlier

20:38:39 thestringpuller: hooray for MP's porn

20:38:48 thestringpuller: i mean bona fide pics.

20:39:14 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=941331.msg10329671#msg10329671 << i like how tight davout's arguing is.

20:39:15 assbot: Bitcoin 20MB Fork ... ( http://bit.ly/1uREHxO )

20:39:36 mircea_popescu: "dude, you don't get to escalate me. go use the proper venues the proper way or shove it."

20:43:54 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/FranBerkman/status/562276041918783488

20:43:56 assbot: Judge Forrest on defense's proposed /hashtag/Bitcoin?src=hash expert: "The court has no idea what Mr. Antonopoulos' qualifications are." /hashtag/SilkRoadTrial?src=hash

20:45:55 mircea_popescu: lol

20:45:57 trinque: mircea_popescu: re: earlier rant about linux permissions, -w does not in fact mean -w if you're root

20:46:02 trinque: chattr -i does

20:46:10 mircea_popescu: heh

20:46:14 trinque: fucking madness, bronze-age punishments for lying please

20:50:49 mircea_popescu: "BUT YOU ARE SECURING TRANSACTIONS WORTH SOMETHING LIKE 2,000 TIMES MORE VALUABLE THAN TODAY'S TRANSACTIONS" << check out allcaps usgavin thinking bitcoi nin terms of "usd value"

20:51:26 ben_vulpes: naw bru

20:51:30 ben_vulpes: we're securing bitcoin transactions

20:51:32 ben_vulpes: what's a dollar?

20:51:40 ben_vulpes: source?

20:53:33 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=941331.msg10330613#msg10330613 idiot thread v x.0

20:53:34 assbot: Bitcoin 20MB Fork ... ( http://bit.ly/16nbVjj )

20:53:47 mircea_popescu: that peter r shill is back in there with his nonsensical golfclub "statistics",

20:53:50 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: Undeadopolus still looking for brainz to munch on...

20:54:01 mircea_popescu: it's been killed in teh logs, but obviously shills don't read.

20:56:36 mircea_popescu: (MP standing for Mircea Popescu.. - dam he must be so thrilled having the 'basic' bitcoin renamed after him XD) << no, actually, i'd rather it just be called bitcoin. which is what it is.

20:56:53 mircea_popescu: saying no to idiots is hardly enough merit to rename things, we'll end up with weekly renamings if this is how things work.

21:01:23 mircea_popescu: "Also, I used to read their logs on IRC, and there was a guy called 'pankkake' (also in btctalk) who seems to have vanished. I think its because they disagreed regarding the fork thing, so if anyone could share the light on his views, that'd be interesting too since I used to value his thoughts." <<< wasn't that over the systemd fork of linux !?

21:03:22 TomServo: That was my impression. Almost certain is was pre-fork talk also.

21:03:54 mircea_popescu: "I'd suggest you go research existing high-value-payment networks and see what typical fees are for multi-million dollar transactions. FEDWIRE is running at 6 transactions per second, average transaction value over $6million, with fees per transaction UNDER ONE DOLLAR.

21:03:55 mircea_popescu: Why? Because if you are giving somebody one million dollars for something, you almost certainly have built up real-world trust, and probably have a longstanding relationship, signed contracts, etc etc."

21:04:30 mircea_popescu: basically, one less explored point of usgavin's interest with the fork is to cripple the politically revolutionary side of bitcoin. obviously if bitcoin can't be bitcoin then the replacement of plain contracts with gpg-contracts will at least be hindered.

21:04:41 mircea_popescu: as if that's how the world works, old men get what they want for wanting it.

21:04:46 mircea_popescu: what is this, new england ?!

21:05:14 thestringpuller: the patriots did win the superbowl

21:05:18 thestringpuller: to BingoBoingo's dismay

21:05:24 thestringpuller: woo.

21:05:31 *: thestringpuller was born in Hartford.

21:05:32 *: danielpbarron didn't bother watching

21:06:12 BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: It isn't that they won. It was how they won. Fucking worthless ending spoiled all of the fun that came before... except for the gold 30 foot tall mechanical tiger.

21:06:25 thestringpuller: XD

21:06:34 thestringpuller: BingoBoingo you sound like the announcers

21:07:01 thestringpuller: Srsly tho. Up until Halftime the game was neck and neck. Two evenly matched teams.

21:07:04 BingoBoingo: I might be qualified to be such.

21:07:22 danielpbarron: i just noticed, the foundation's bitcoind still uses irc?

21:07:30 thestringpuller: I missed the "exciting part" as I drove home. No radio station was giving highlights.

21:08:12 BingoBoingo: The problem was Seattle decided to play with their food in order to burn the clock. Like the villain taunting instead of driving the knife deeper.

21:08:44 punkman: bitcoin RI compiled without errors on linux mint btw

21:09:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2266 @ 0.00096989 = 2.1978 BTC [-]

21:10:15 punkman: anyone wanna give me a node IP I can connect to for testing?

21:10:15 mircea_popescu: o hey

21:10:35 danielpbarron: does it have to be of the same version?

21:10:43 danielpbarron: my ip is a full node

21:10:44 mircea_popescu: nope

21:11:09 mircea_popescu: probably better if not the same version, actually.

21:11:26 danielpbarron: point at me, i'm running 0.7.2 here

21:11:55 TomServo: danielpbarron: as I understand, with upnp being clipped IRC was the remaining node discovery mechanism

21:12:11 TomServo: Someeone please correct me if I'm mistaken.

21:12:30 punkman: and dnsseed

21:12:38 danielpbarron: acutally i'm not at "full" at the moment; playing a little catchup from the last crash

21:12:41 mircea_popescu: "Or would you prefer to introduce sliding scale fee structure (higher tx amount - higher fee)?"

21:12:43 mircea_popescu: AHAHAHAHAHAHA

21:12:47 mircea_popescu: fuck you jesus christ.

21:12:59 mircea_popescu: the one thing poor people will NOT give up except with their life is "you got money gimme"

21:13:35 mircea_popescu: how about all txn under 1 BTC are excised 99 bitcents fee because fuck you, go be poor in massachussetts ?

21:13:48 mircea_popescu: and all txn over 1k are free because fuck you that side doo.

21:14:44 mircea_popescu: "one of the unique and beneficial attributes of btc is you can send someone a 50 cent tip or a million dollars for almost nothing in transaction fees

21:14:44 mircea_popescu: i think it would be a big mistake to put higher fees on higher tx amounts and i would vote against it ,raise the block size if necessary and prune the blockchain is a better idea imo

21:14:44 mircea_popescu: everyone doesnt need the last 6-7 years of history ,there must be some way to let new users download the most recent portion without the previous 6 years or just the headers instead of every entire block etc

21:14:44 mircea_popescu: its already a 33GB download ,imagine that increasing exponentially ,nobodys going to download it all when it exceeds 100GB but i suppose we could all use "lite wallets " etc but that would also weaken the network if most people were using multibit etc"

21:14:51 mircea_popescu: the shit in that thread... i gotta stop reading.

21:16:02 BingoBoingo: The "nobody will buy a hard drive" people are the worst. The problem isn't the hard drive.

21:16:09 danielpbarron: height=173849 << my pogo running "bastard"

21:16:17 mircea_popescu: you got that to comp[ile too ?

21:16:22 mircea_popescu: going pretty good there danielpbarron

21:16:24 danielpbarron: not yet

21:16:31 mircea_popescu: just using stan's binaries /

21:16:32 mircea_popescu: ?

21:16:37 danielpbarron: yep

21:16:56 asciilifeform: just build the damn thing. not that hard to do

21:17:06 asciilifeform: all you need is a reasonable linux

21:17:27 punkman: asciilifeform: the dnsseed-snip is for the portatronic branch right?

21:17:29 mircea_popescu: let the guy go at his pace yo

21:17:30 danielpbarron: yeah that's the hang up; i'm about to reformat my laptop

21:18:07 danielpbarron: leaving ubuntu never to return

21:18:08 asciilifeform: dnsseed snip should work for -any-, as it only concerns net.cpp

21:18:34 trinque: danielpbarron: where you headed? openbsd?

21:18:39 danielpbarron: no

21:18:44 danielpbarron: not yet at least

21:18:53 mircea_popescu: punkman: you can distill grapes, plus they are useful for other things << great anal beads

21:18:56 mircea_popescu: if you're out of olives.

21:19:13 trinque: gentoo's fucked imo; everything depends on everything. I look at it the wrong way and suddenly I've got avahi-daemon or some other madness installed

21:19:37 danielpbarron: someone said mint worked, maybe i'll try that

21:19:37 trinque: they moved a bunch of useflags into their own vars too, I noticed. because that was necessary

21:20:00 trinque: danielpbarron: mint is based on ubuntu isn't it?

21:20:02 asciilifeform: trinque: gentoo is as good as operator. you can excise the crud permanently and from everything running.

21:20:06 danielpbarron: ok never mind :p

21:20:20 danielpbarron: i installed gentoo once before

21:20:26 trinque: asciilifeform: sure, I'm hacking back the kudzu with use flags

21:20:30 trinque: would rather they were all off to start

21:20:47 trinque: think I'm down to 115 or so packages in world

21:21:53 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: https://i.imgur.com/n9Th4q5.jpg <<< ahhh sweet highschool....

21:21:55 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/16nkdYt )

21:22:09 BingoBoingo: <danielpbarron> someone said mint worked, maybe i'll try that << Systemd free, but... better venue for introducing microsoft refugees to not MS. Not really next step to get better at *nix

21:22:40 mircea_popescu: PeterL: If you know what you are doing << most of rural transylvania still makes its own moonshine. most still operators spend the three days it takes entirely drunk.

21:22:43 mircea_popescu: on fumes.

21:24:41 cazalla: did they solve global warming or something? it's summer yet this is day 4 of putting the heating on each morning

21:24:49 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Oh people are now ripping off MP's conference format << lmao buncha wanna-bes. what fucking elite ?

21:25:00 mircea_popescu: cazalla it's alternatively warm.

21:25:19 mircea_popescu: they're just being inclusive to all climates while working with technology to resolve the problems of the future.

21:25:42 BingoBoingo: It's the middle of winter and I fetched mail jacketless without feeling a chill. Scam weather.

21:25:55 mircea_popescu: "Organized by Bruce Fenton of the Bitcoin Association and Atlantic Financial, participants in the first annual Satoshi Roundtable include top executives from companies such as Blockchain, BitGo, BitPesa, Chain, ChangeTip, Coinapult and MegaBigPower, as well as noted VCs in the space such as Erik Voorhees and Roger Ver."

21:26:14 mircea_popescu: mkay, so yeah, fenton trying to buy credibility.

21:26:38 mircea_popescu: yo fenton, miss tits what's her name didn't manage, and she had the tits. this is not how you do it, seriously, pretending like you matter works in whoredom, not in finance.

21:26:47 mircea_popescu: i know they told you there's no difference. they lied.

21:27:27 TomServo: http://kingstonjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/zzz3.jpg

21:27:29 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/16nlPkT )

21:28:34 cazalla: fenton is a baller, he changedtipped me $2

21:28:55 BingoBoingo: scoopbot -fetch

21:28:56 cazalla: should prob write up an article that fenton tips racist, women hating men

21:28:56 mircea_popescu: jurov: "Another example is that some CEOs fear to attack known scams in public because..." lol so they will attack them privately? << they have a serious strategic problem : employees are normally decent, intelligent human beings they're raping.

21:29:08 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/02/bitmarket-pl-account-closed-over-hyip-links/

21:29:20 mircea_popescu: then those people want to express their outrage. sometimes they do. then they get letters from the idiot "management" about how THIS IS NOT OUR CORPORATE CULTURE

21:29:39 mircea_popescu: which is true, it isn't. the us is built on a corporate culture of empty pretense and outright fraud. course they tend to stick together.

21:30:03 mircea_popescu: then those people lose morale and start coming to me with the stories, which hurts "everyone", which is to say : the scammers ; their friends.

21:30:09 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: some CEO's don't always rape their employees

21:30:15 mircea_popescu: im sure some rubber chicken on a beach will solve all this!

21:30:23 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller yeah, some don't always.

21:30:29 mircea_popescu: viagra wears off.

21:30:37 thestringpuller: some CEO's just slowly kill company like virus

21:30:45 thestringpuller: like the nVidia d00d

21:30:47 thestringpuller: troll style

21:31:02 thestringpuller: kinda like Michael Scott from the Office just not as dimwitted.

21:31:12 cazalla: anyway, this elite retreat was announced weeks ago, clearly it didn't get much traction so they called up coindesk to promote it

21:31:24 mircea_popescu: there's a pretty fucking bad film about three stooges that conspire to kill their bosses.

21:31:34 mircea_popescu: the film's unwatchable except for a kevin spacey monologue

21:31:39 thestringpuller: Ah yes.

21:31:46 mircea_popescu: "fuck you, sit down and work more."

21:31:47 cazalla: https://twitter.com/brucefenton/status/558819102861819904 1 comment on reddit, obv they didn't get the validation they were seeking the first time around

21:31:49 assbot: Satoshi Roundtable is coming soon... http://t.co/5IdMdX025t

21:31:51 thestringpuller: And Jennifer Anniston sexual harrassing her assistant.

21:31:59 thestringpuller: Cause who would really care?

21:32:10 mircea_popescu: o that's who the old broad was ?

21:32:20 mircea_popescu: wow, all those chick flicks really age a body.

21:32:24 mircea_popescu: almost like politics.

21:32:27 thestringpuller: Yup.

21:32:32 thestringpuller: And you know 11 years on Friends

21:32:34 mircea_popescu: cazalla send him a link to logs ?

21:32:42 mircea_popescu: maybe he figures it the fuck out eventually.

21:32:49 thestringpuller: cazalla: now that's a story if you can confirm...

21:33:15 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: i'd go if they didn't still lynch negroes << who does ?!

21:33:22 thestringpuller: the jews

21:33:26 *: thestringpuller stares at ben_vulpes

21:33:34 mircea_popescu: heh. so bring a girl, and go "don't lynch me, take her instead" then run.

21:33:58 thestringpuller: omg i'd get lynched harder if I showed up /w white girl

21:34:02 BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Bring Marshawn Lynch, and Lynch them back

21:34:13 mircea_popescu: show up with a blue one then, mess with everyone's head.

21:34:15 thestringpuller: "Who let this nigger in here with one of our womenz?!?!?"

21:34:18 thestringpuller: LOL

21:34:20 danielpbarron: that's asking a "Lot"

21:34:37 mircea_popescu: the "lynch me harder" thing is lulzy tho.

21:34:49 mircea_popescu: just exactly what do you think this lynching business is :D

21:34:56 mircea_popescu: are you a lynch virgin, thestringpuller ?

21:36:19 mircea_popescu: assbot: Exploiting the Robocaller Gap - Global Guerrillas << speaking of this ben_vulpes, how about a site where people can get bitcoin for reading messages on the screen, then autodial them into say 5k different emergency zones across the us.

21:36:55 mircea_popescu: stress test the system, as it were. see what happens when there's i dunno, 500k pps ddos, but not from wordpress to me.

21:37:03 mircea_popescu: backwards.

21:37:10 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: one of my ancestors was lynched in mississipi so the family isn't a lynch virgin

21:37:16 mircea_popescu: o srsly ?

21:37:19 thestringpuller: but i myself am

21:37:20 thestringpuller: lol

21:37:34 mircea_popescu: how do you feel about that ? i got a few ancestors that were killed by teh turks and teh russians.

21:37:40 mircea_popescu: oddly enough, i dislike just the russians.

21:37:42 *: danielpbarron too

21:38:23 thestringpuller: well given my family is on exponential curve in wealth (only a generation ago we were in the projects), i'd say the karma is coming back around

21:38:55 mircea_popescu: heh. most everyone in romania was in teh projects coupla decades ago

21:38:57 mircea_popescu: where's that pic

21:39:30 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2010/piinea-amara-a-baietasilor-de-cartier/ << 1990s pic of romania's top hip hop band.

21:39:30 assbot: Piinea amara a baietasilor de cartier pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/16nowD5 )

21:39:34 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: how were they killed by the turks and russians?

21:40:23 thestringpuller: ah yea. i remember coming accross that pic on fraudsters (random page of the front page thing)

21:40:28 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller well, romania as a sovereign nation was mostly constructed around this event where the czar declared war on the turks on the fumes of imagining himself like the germans, and buying the british propaganda about the "dead man of europe". the turks were the origina lrhodesia.

21:40:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72800 @ 0.00037173 = 27.0619 BTC [+]

21:41:04 mircea_popescu: anyway, the turks mowed them down, and so the commanding officer sent the romanian kind a "plz save us telegram'. so the romanian army moved in, beat back the turks, took some impossible redoubts, lost like a third of the men and that was that.

21:41:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.00037392 = 5.9079 BTC [+]

21:41:46 thestringpuller: Ah. Okay so 1800's at somepoint?

21:41:55 mircea_popescu: then later in ww2, romanian army went all the way to stalingrad, raping and pillaging with the germans, then got beaten back, went over to like, prague, and then after the war there was all that "sociailism" thingee/

21:42:00 mircea_popescu: 1880s yea

21:42:20 thestringpuller: yea about same time great great great g-pa was lynched and thrown into swamp

21:42:35 mircea_popescu: ;;google The Romanian War of Independence

21:42:36 gribble: Romanian War of Independence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanian_War_of_Independence; Romanian War of Independence - Simple English Wikipedia, the ...: http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanian_War_of_Independence; Russo-Turkish War (1877–78) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo- (1 more message)

21:44:02 mircea_popescu: (one of the rare cases when a romanian was supreme commander of the russian troops in any war theater)

21:44:59 thestringpuller: wow.

21:45:16 thestringpuller: brb gonna read up on this. mircea_popescu always educatin mah simple mind

21:45:26 thestringpuller: and doesn't charge (yet)

21:45:31 mircea_popescu: there was also a case in ww1 when the romanian general was put in command of all the german units and so on.

21:49:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105500 @ 0.00037664 = 39.7355 BTC [+] {3}

21:53:34 mircea_popescu: !up the_scourge

21:53:59 trinque: poor felipelalli, so much IP in da logs

21:55:06 the_scourge: oh cheers

21:55:20 the_scourge: sorry i didn't realize that was actually echoing

21:55:54 felipelalli: trinque: thank you! :) Internet in Brazil is not easy. I am installing a new one, it arrives 14 Feb.

21:56:06 mircea_popescu: !b 1

21:56:06 assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2N9HZ5E.txt )

21:56:22 PeterL: you are replacing the internet?

21:56:35 felipelalli: ahahha

21:56:45 felipelalli: my cable, yes.

21:57:05 mircea_popescu: i know i want a new internet too. who knew dilma got it

21:57:16 trinque: felipelalli: if you beg the gods in #freenode they'll cloak you

21:58:16 felipelalli: trinque: thanks. I'll try it.

21:59:15 the_scourge: do you have to prove need now? needs-based systems are a sign of the apocalypse :)

21:59:40 mircea_popescu: it's how sex works...

22:00:13 the_scourge: mircea_popescu: that's the opposite of how sex works

22:00:58 mircea_popescu: so "i have all this love to give" vs "i need to get laid" ?

22:01:06 the_scourge: sex is 100% merit. it's the one thing that can't be made needs-based even temporarily

22:01:24 the_scourge: um "i need to get laid" doesn't mean fuck all

22:01:24 asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000043.html << guess what

22:01:25 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/16nu1Sf )

22:01:37 mircea_popescu: lol

22:02:06 mircea_popescu: if sex were merit based how do you explain masturbation ?

22:02:23 *: trinque goes to tell the welfare queens and trailer whores what sex is

22:02:24 the_scourge: you could try asking your local cultural equality office of liberty to see if they can make it needs based.... get some equalisation fucks for the really needy

22:03:27 mircea_popescu: actually, prostitution is legal here.

22:03:57 the_scourge: ok, still mertis based

22:04:22 the_scourge: unless romania is doing better on the equalisation front than.... everywhere else

22:04:35 PeterL: asciilifeform: are we supposed to be suprised by the result?

22:04:46 mircea_popescu: here = argentina.

22:05:02 asciilifeform: PeterL: i for one am a little surprised that -any- of them work

22:05:14 PeterL: any idea when these were last updated?

22:05:53 asciilifeform: PeterL: the phoundation's git does not appear to have the hardcoded seeds any longer. when they were thrown out? no idea

22:05:58 the_scourge: asciilifeform: do you always name your filehandles like that, or only in python

22:06:42 asciilifeform: the_scourge: only in python

22:06:43 PeterL: having hardcoded seeds is, in my opnion, a silly way of doing things

22:06:45 trinque: eat and shit are entirely appropriate names there

22:06:47 trinque: lol

22:07:00 the_scourge: btw any chance that the first HLL cpu will support python? i know that's heresy but the library support is better than lispscheme

22:07:18 trinque: the_scourge: how dare you

22:07:25 asciilifeform: PeterL: having hardcoded seeds is, in my opnion, a silly way of doing things << what do you suggest as an alternative? how is the proggy to know what exists anywhere without a hardcoded something or other

22:07:34 felipelalli: now I am cloaked. Thanks trinque for the tip.

22:07:45 trinque: felipelalli: no problem; looks good over here

22:07:48 the_scourge: felipelalli: did you have to prove need?

22:08:02 felipelalli: the_scourge: no.

22:08:14 asciilifeform: the_scourge: if you want to port fortran or cobol to it, who can stop you. if you expect the design to somehow accomodate your perversion - sorry

22:08:42 PeterL: asciilifeform: could you have a separate seed config file?

22:08:43 the_scourge: cool so neither needs based nor merit. simple universal. to thsoe who ask. fn is democracy :)

22:09:10 the_scourge: asciilifeform: you're the one coding in python

22:09:15 asciilifeform: PeterL: separate config is in the works. but i did have the thought that ought to see what ought to go in it first

22:09:28 *: trinque wishes he could watch asciilifeform slap the_scourge in person

22:09:39 mircea_popescu: yeah srsly.

22:09:41 trinque: bow to your sensei!

22:09:42 mircea_popescu: !down the_scourge

22:09:53 asciilifeform: the_scourge: i occasionally use it as a healthier, low-tar substitute for perl

22:10:01 mircea_popescu: giving voice to anyone that asks has its disadvantages.

22:12:41 PeterL: asciilifeform: PeterL: the phoundation's git does not appear to have the hardcoded seeds any longer. when they were thrown out? no idea << did you figure out what they were replaced with?

22:14:34 mircea_popescu: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/97/Metternich-Wappen_Sm.png << an interesting case of central government driven inflation.

22:14:37 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/16nxVdJ )

22:14:59 mircea_popescu: if the king can pay nobles for their service in "heraldics" he will do so. and issue and issue and issue until there's more crowns than the estucheon can hold.

22:15:19 mircea_popescu: escutcheon*

22:16:26 jurov: BingoBoingo: "bezzel economy" -> "bezzle economy"

22:16:45 jurov: i was asking about linking to definition too, but

22:16:59 jurov: ;;google bezzle economy

22:17:00 gribble: Bitcoin Falls Victim to Galbraith's “Bezzle” - The New Yorker: http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/bitcoin-falls-victim-to-galbraiths-bezzle; Agenda: Essential Task of Unwinding the Bezzle - WSJ: http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887324469304578140891938671684; The Global Bezzle – whence it came, where it went and why it ...: http://crookedtimber.org/2013/11/21 (1 more message)

22:17:07 asciilifeform: or possibly i was mistaken, https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/7b879d3493e5b51c60522f71657941bd62e29334/contrib/seeds/README.md

22:17:09 assbot: bitcoin/README.md at 7b879d3493e5b51c60522f71657941bd62e29334 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/16nyGDO )

22:17:19 jurov: it shown me fraudsters immediately after that

22:17:38 asciilifeform: ^ it still has hardcoded seeds

22:19:43 BingoBoingo: jurov: FXD THX

22:20:36 mircea_popescu: crooked timber is a good blog btw

22:26:40 PeterL: How about putting seeds in a separate file (Foundation can host a copy that is updated periodically), and add user settable options for whether to download the updated file on program start and from where?

22:27:09 asciilifeform: separate file << was the plan already

22:27:34 PeterL: and mechanism for updating it?

22:27:52 mircea_popescu: no autodownloads.

22:28:14 asciilifeform: i imagine ben_vulpes et al will post pgp-signed lists of working nodes now and again

22:28:24 PeterL: so manual download

22:28:42 mircea_popescu: sure, that';s the general idea, have all the magic strings in a file somewhere.

22:28:58 asciilifeform: understand that node only needs to find 1 working node on the list, to spin up

22:29:16 mike_c: PeterL: this mechanism already exists. bitcoin-seeder

22:29:24 mike_c: dns-based

22:30:09 mircea_popescu: http://crookedtimber.org/2013/11/21/the-global-bezzle-whence-it-came-where-it-went-and-why-it-matters-repost-from-2011/

22:30:10 assbot: The Global Bezzle – whence it came, where it went and why it matters (repost from 2011) — Crooked Timber ... ( http://bit.ly/16nCmVW )

22:30:19 asciilifeform: dns-based << i nominated it for death

22:30:22 mircea_popescu: this, in particular, is a good discussion of macroeconomics, something you rarely see in english

22:30:49 mircea_popescu: mike_c a mechanism made by someone not in wot doesn't really exist.

22:31:05 asciilifeform: dns is not only a thin and centralized neck to squeeze, it is controlled almost entirely by usg

22:31:21 mike_c: heh, so people are going to download this file by IP address?

22:31:42 mircea_popescu: ip addresses seems to be the manner to connect via tcp/ip neh ?

22:31:56 mike_c: neh! i like names. but i get it.

22:32:02 asciilifeform: so people are going to download this file by IP address << can come straight from the fuhrer's arsehole, so long as it's signed by genuine foundation

22:32:03 mircea_popescu: well do you also like ghosts /

22:32:32 mircea_popescu: i gotta find this quote of myself, not enough self fellatio today.

22:33:29 mircea_popescu: "In general I have found so far that the best results in computer security are achieved not by those who are most competent at securing a system, but by those who are backed by management most inclined to simplify their task. "

22:33:41 mike_c: i'm going to get this node list into my mini-node how?

22:35:06 mike_c: this actually begs the question, how the hell is this thing finding any nodes right now? brb. code grep.

22:35:28 mircea_popescu: it's a sad story.

22:36:25 mike_c: unsigned int pnSeed[] =

22:36:25 mike_c: {

22:36:25 mike_c: 0x959bd347, 0xf8de42b2, 0x73bc0518, 0xea6edc50, 0x21b00a4d, 0xc725b43d, 0xd665464d, 0x1a2a770e,

22:36:29 mike_c: oh.

22:36:36 trinque: the language needs to be patched such that wisdom and simplicity are more closely connected

22:36:40 mike_c: hence ascii's list of "only 6 of these are still alive"

22:36:45 mircea_popescu: right

22:36:53 mike_c: well, this is clearly best solution :D

22:37:10 mircea_popescu: also first and biggest.

22:38:57 asciilifeform: and, much as it is intriguing that so many nodes still hang out on irc bitcoin-xx channel, that thing doesn't belong in the RI

22:39:39 asciilifeform: but we can't zap both it and the dns seeder (already submitted zap for the latter) without a fresh list of seeds

22:39:40 PeterL: we plan to rip out irc?

22:39:40 mircea_popescu: on a principal consideration ?

22:40:17 mircea_popescu: irc should probably stay because a) it doesn't actualy do anything atm and b) it will be an easy upgrade to gossipd

22:40:21 asciilifeform: the irc thing is a chokepoint. in my head it counts as 1 hardcoded node, really

22:40:29 mircea_popescu: which will make bitcoin full nodes a much saner thing altogether.

22:40:33 asciilifeform: think about it. isomorphic.

22:40:48 mircea_popescu: and remove a lot of dumbass pressure off the blockchain. ("want to talk to people ? talk through the node process not through the tx process)

22:41:13 asciilifeform: actually, given that most of the hard seeds are dead, the irc mechanism is the primary bootstrap.

22:41:13 mircea_popescu: speaking of which, how's it going artifexd ?

22:41:23 mircea_popescu: and speaking of how's it going yo trinque ! what happened there ?

22:41:47 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i thought the node's own memory was the primary bootstrap ?

22:42:15 asciilifeform: when 0.5.3 switches on, it looks for some nodes

22:42:39 asciilifeform: mine (with dns seds nixed) ends up finding them on irc.

22:42:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11809 @ 0.00038814 = 4.5835 BTC [+]

22:43:03 trinque: mircea_popescu: with deedbot? got hit with a bunch of irl work

22:43:14 asciilifeform: anybody who can sit down between me & the ircd, can feed in arbitrary crap

22:43:22 trinque: however it's nearly done

22:43:31 mircea_popescu: trinque ok, but it was nearly done like a week ago too ?

22:43:38 PeterL: could you add an option to input an ip address for seed? so start it by typing "bitcoin --seed my.fri.ends.ip"

22:44:01 asciilifeform: PeterL: iirc, that's already in there

22:44:09 mike_c: hopefully addnode didn't get nixed

22:44:16 PeterL: oh, ok, nevermind then

22:44:20 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform maybe this seed-from-file mod is more stringently needed than i thought ? mod6 ? ben_vulpes ?

22:44:49 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's a critical moving part (on warmup only, really)

22:45:06 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: think about it

22:45:14 mircea_popescu: well i haven't run a stock node in years, so.

22:45:22 mircea_popescu: mine just keep dbs of other nodes.

22:45:25 mike_c: it already seeds from file (bitcoin.conf), just need to fill the file.

22:45:25 trinque: mircea_popescu: granted. plenty of fires since then, which are out

22:45:57 mircea_popescu: trinque so what's almost done ? this week ? tomorrow ?

22:46:05 asciilifeform: mike_c: iirc you can only offer one seed in the conf as of 0.5.3 ?

22:46:20 mike_c: ah

22:46:49 mike_c: this is an odd time warp, where my knowledge is not outdated, but actually is too far in the future. it's weird :)

22:47:19 BingoBoingo: !b 1

22:47:19 assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3R9Y3SG.txt )

22:47:19 mircea_popescu: hehehe

22:47:24 mircea_popescu: "you haven't happened yet"

22:47:37 asciilifeform: phoundation's bitcoind does keep a cache of known nodes, it appears. but still uses dns seeds and hardcoded ip list for initial warmup.

22:47:42 mircea_popescu: !give me the cockblocking BingoBoingo trophy!

22:48:02 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nothing quite like a camel with dolphin skin.

22:48:13 punkman: with -connect=ADDRESS it doesn't use built-in seeds

22:48:19 BingoBoingo: http://dpaste.com/3R9Y3SG.txt << mircea_popescu Still made it through. IRC lag makes you think you win these trophies.

22:48:20 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/16nGK7A )

22:48:46 asciilifeform: -connect=ADDRESS limits you to that node and only it, alive or dead

22:48:47 mircea_popescu: DANGIT

22:49:14 BingoBoingo: -addnode offers multiple potential ips to add

22:49:17 BingoBoingo: to lsit

22:49:18 mircea_popescu: punkman asciilifeform yeah that's more intended for proxy chaining them iirc

22:49:20 punkman: you can do multiple -connect

22:49:24 trinque: mircea_popescu: my evening is free to hack on it; the "keep it running" part got a lot of attention, which may have expanded scope past "a few scripts"

22:49:35 mircea_popescu: kay!

22:49:36 mike_c: asciilifeform: BOOST_FOREACH(string strAddr, mapMultiArgs["-addnode"])

22:49:49 mike_c: ^ seems evidence it takes more than one?

22:49:56 BingoBoingo: punkman: No you get one -connect, -connect is exclusive. -addnode populates address list

22:49:58 asciilifeform: mike_c: that's 0.5.3 ?!

22:50:22 trinque: mircea_popescu: each part of it runs separately, different user, in a different linux container, etc

22:50:23 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The future.

22:51:06 trinque: if one part shouldn't talk to another, it doesn't

22:51:06 mircea_popescu: trinque don't make it larger than your head.

22:52:10 mircea_popescu: "Show your face. Those who know what you look like can verify that it's actually you, and not a sockpuppet trolling us all."

22:52:25 mircea_popescu: dude these fucktards. LEARN PGP!!1eleventyfivethousand cocks in your mother's dumb mouth.

22:53:10 punkman: "BOOST_FOREACH(string strAddr, mapMultiArgs["-connect"])"

22:53:19 punkman: not exclusive

22:54:05 asciilifeform: punkman is correct. alert reader award.

22:54:32 punkman: so no need for irc or built-in, just have them in the bitcoin.conf

22:55:10 BingoBoingo: Ah

22:55:19 mike_c: yes, well, still makes plug-n-play nodebox more difficult.

22:55:32 asciilifeform: mike_c: how?

22:55:39 punkman: maybe have a list of dnsseeds with signed node lists baked in the source

22:55:43 mike_c: I guess not. just step N is download list of nodes.

22:56:47 asciilifeform: so we ship, e.g., the pogos, with titanic list of nodes. some of which we own and operate.

22:57:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57800 @ 0.00038863 = 22.4628 BTC [+] {2}

22:57:11 ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> assbot: Exploiting the Robocaller Gap - Global Guerrillas << speaking of this ben_vulpes, how about a site where people can get bitcoin for reading messages on the screen, then autodial them into say 5k different emergency zones across the us. << sounds great

22:58:42 mircea_popescu: in the words of one of the numerous us generals remembered for losing a war, "the unknowns that we know about, we name terrorism. the unknowns we don't know about, we predend don't exist. that and the state department is how we spend a trillion for the priviledge of spending another trillion."

22:59:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96100 @ 0.00038935 = 37.4165 BTC [+] {2}

22:59:08 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes demanding to be gassed by gestapo ahead of schedule, lol

22:59:35 ben_vulpes: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000043.html << oh lol

22:59:36 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1K4XfDL )

22:59:39 ben_vulpes: deserves a post

23:00:17 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: twould also be interesting to see the same test against the modern codebase

23:00:23 ben_vulpes: i gotta meeting in like...2m

23:00:23 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: deserves a post << see thread here first

23:00:50 BingoBoingo: MEGA LOL >> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=941331.msg10339914#msg10339914

23:00:50 assbot: Bitcoin 20MB Fork ... ( http://bit.ly/1K4Xz5k )

23:00:59 BingoBoingo: ^ RE: Mr Fenton

23:02:35 mircea_popescu: "Of course many ISPs block out outgoing 8333 by default . Why do you think we see all these threads where people complain that they are getting only 8 incoming connections on their bitcoin QT wallet? Why do we average less than 7k nodes worldwide at any given time?"

23:02:38 mircea_popescu: culprit found.

23:03:08 mircea_popescu: "I've noticed certain repeating characteristic in the writing of many members of this forum: they construct grammatically correct sentences but absolutely disregard the underlying semantics: incoming vs. outgoing, local vs. remote, source vs. destination, etc. Here in regards to TCP/IP ports, but I observed that in regards to pretty much any technical issue."

23:03:14 mircea_popescu: actually 2112 has a very good point.

23:04:03 mircea_popescu: it was highlighted by intel about two weeks ago, and we're generally tracing it to philippines "top quality" content farms working for a number of (mostly ct and wash based) pr firms.

23:04:26 mircea_popescu: wasn't goping to say anything, but since it's public now..

23:08:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42000 @ 0.00038569 = 16.199 BTC [-]

23:08:23 BingoBoingo: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=941331.msg10340310#msg10340310 << Now it is on the forum

23:08:23 assbot: Bitcoin 20MB Fork ... ( http://bit.ly/1K4Z6Z2 )

23:08:55 BingoBoingo: Well, not THE forum, but a forum

23:09:45 mircea_popescu: in any case, the pogo plugs will be quite welcome. the network's been suffering for a long time,

23:09:50 mircea_popescu: like the ents or something.

23:10:16 BingoBoingo: http://lawfilesext.leg.wa.gov/biennium/2015-16/Pdf/Bills/House%20Bills/1813.pdf

23:10:19 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1K4Zy9G )

23:10:40 asciilifeform: Tech Email:domainadmin@fdvt.com << lol!

23:10:41 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> like the ents or something. << Where did all of the nodewives go?

23:10:54 mircea_popescu: heh.

23:11:05 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> Tech Email:domainadmin@fdvt.com << lol! << See someone got the Fenton lulz

23:11:24 BingoBoingo: Professional Stoogesultant

23:11:27 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know that's just a general support email, and the connection between fenton and fdvt is about the same as between reddit feminist incel and starbucks

23:11:31 mircea_popescu: ie, purely aspirational ?

23:12:23 asciilifeform: why is it in the satoshiroundtable.org 'whois' then ?

23:13:37 asciilifeform: https://whoisology.com/email/archive_8/domainadmin@fdvt.com

23:13:40 assbot: Access Restricted ... ( http://bit.ly/16nNqlZ )

23:14:24 mircea_popescu: myeah...

23:14:46 mircea_popescu: topdollar.com megawealth.com mutualfundcenter.com atlanticfinancial.com capitalgain.com etc.

23:14:56 mircea_popescu: ie, buncha spamsites and whatever.

23:15:07 asciilifeform: this fella clearly read 'spam like a pro in twenty-one hours' !

23:15:17 mircea_popescu: lol fentonfoundation.com

23:17:03 asciilifeform: if he stuffed the 'fvdt' contact in his own domain reg fraudulently, what's it take to get the registration judged & pulled ?

23:17:28 mircea_popescu: why does it have to be fraudulently ?

23:17:33 asciilifeform: theoretically - if registrar won't pull, we can regard the shilling as a proven fact

23:17:40 mircea_popescu: Fleetwood Digital Video Technology Corp is not like... haliburton or something.

23:17:42 asciilifeform: one way or the other

23:18:19 mircea_popescu: it's a smallish business, think in terms of roger ver's used laptops shop

23:18:54 asciilifeform: eh, sure. small business that does no-one-knows-what, for usg only

23:19:11 mircea_popescu: eh get out. i control so many I don't know all of em by name

23:19:37 mircea_popescu: http://www.fdvt.com/gsa-general-services-administration.htm there, filings.

23:20:18 mircea_popescu: basically they're one of the what, 100k or so small tech-ish corps that live off the usg dole.

23:20:41 mircea_popescu: not exactly unconnected, for sure, but never invited to a fundraiser either, unless it's for the state capitol and they couldn't fill the seats.

23:21:12 asciilifeform: i do happen to know something about those. usually they exist as a little flea on the back of a larger flea, sometimes three or four fleas in a circuit

23:21:37 mircea_popescu: "Cabletica, ICE, Kolbi, Claro, Moviestar all need to be called and asked to open this port." << at least the last two are cheap mobile providers in argentina.

23:21:47 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform quite exactly.

23:21:51 mircea_popescu: you get the picture.

23:22:16 asciilifeform: it would be not entirely uninteresting, to learn his host flea.

23:22:33 mircea_popescu: local mass politics from what i've seen so far.

23:22:37 mircea_popescu: until i learn better... shrug.

23:23:13 asciilifeform: also i am unaware of any extant isp outside of iran blocking an -outgoing- port other than 25

23:23:31 mircea_popescu: stop reading that thing you'll give yourself earbleeds.

23:25:06 asciilifeform: on the other hand - every cellular isp in usa (that i've tried) blocks -all- incoming connections

23:26:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110250 @ 0.00036889 = 40.6701 BTC [-] {2}

23:27:14 asciilifeform: 252649.

23:30:25 punkman: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/ee932025c1a318943a6b101be9fe7a4a2e10648c

23:30:26 assbot: Changed pronouns for correctness and inclusivity · ee93202 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1K53vLJ )

23:31:04 asciilifeform: 'bikinibabe' ?! trololol.

23:31:36 mircea_popescu: hahaha wut

23:32:12 mircea_popescu: if i find out there's some fucktarded 50something collegiate "professor" setting up the idiot chickies in her class to doing this...

23:32:28 asciilifeform: which one of you jokers is 'bikinibabe'. confess.

23:33:01 mircea_popescu: it's prolly sa actually.

23:33:21 asciilifeform: whoever is doing is - brilliant 'shit test' - will the idiots merge? turns out, yes! they will.

23:33:49 asciilifeform: sa?

23:34:08 PeterL: "inform the master he or she can" << really, it should be "inform the master or mistress he or she can", right?

23:34:54 mircea_popescu: someting awful. this old comedy board that for a while was the core of radical libertardism in the us.

23:35:37 asciilifeform: obligatory: http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~evans/cs655/readings/purity.html << by doug hofstadter! yes, him

23:35:39 assbot: Douglas Hofstadter - Person Paper on Purity in Language ... ( http://bit.ly/1K54yv3 )

23:36:03 asciilifeform: he actually caught a good bit of shit for this number

23:36:12 PeterL: actually, they should remove all references to "master", because it makes us thing about slavery, so bad, mkay?

23:36:50 asciilifeform: PeterL: that was one of the first engineering terms to get liberast attention, actually

23:37:02 mircea_popescu: i dunno who him is.

23:37:57 mircea_popescu: anyway, it'll be hard to do away with master seeing how that's what i am. best do away with husband, replace with cuckold ?

23:38:25 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: doug h is sui generis. can't really place him in a genre. he wrote a number of tomes for folks who like mathematics (in particular, logic and theory of computation), languages, translation. he is also a fairly good translator of ru->eng, even rhyme-preserving pushkin. blew my mind.

23:38:43 mircea_popescu: my inculture is vast.

23:39:38 asciilifeform: dh is best known as an american/eng author, but iirc his native lang is fr. on account of peculiar upbringing. and he knows plenty of others.

23:41:13 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu thanks for the notes on that last article

23:41:25 asciilifeform: http://www.physixfan.com/wp-content/files/GEBen.pdf << l33t w4r3z, hofstadter's best known work.

23:41:30 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1K55I9S )

23:41:37 mircea_popescu: which one ?!

23:42:20 pete_dushenski: jooz and stereotypes: i cleaned up the log quotes and took another hack at the romanian

23:42:39 asciilifeform: GEB is really a book for intelligent children, or perhaps for adults who are n00bs to the whole thinking business. it's a fun, not serious, sort of book.

23:42:59 mircea_popescu: ah ah

23:43:10 mircea_popescu: link me again ?

23:43:21 asciilifeform: in print nonstop since '79, iirc.

23:44:00 mircea_popescu: pete i meant.

23:44:13 pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2015/02/01/jooz-and-stereotypes/

23:44:15 assbot: Jooz and stereotypes. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1K56l3c )

23:45:49 pete_dushenski: and for the german-speakers, this article just sent me a trackback: http://bitcoinblog.de/2015/02/02/der-kommende-blockchain-burgerkrieg/

23:45:50 assbot: Der kommende Blockchain-Bürgerkrieg | BitcoinBlog.de - das Blog für Bitcoin und andere virtuelle Währungen ... ( http://bit.ly/1K56FPp )

23:47:24 pete_dushenski: the article has a poll at the bottom

23:47:51 pete_dushenski: lulzy 13-5 results thus far in favour of block size, including my vote for nein!

23:48:12 pete_dushenski: *in favour of increasing block size

23:50:24 mircea_popescu: yeah, website polls is how moot ended up time man of the century

23:51:30 mircea_popescu: lol "Zum einen ist da Davout aus Frankreich"

23:51:45 mircea_popescu: hey davout check it out, germanz think teh frenchies are einen.

23:52:18 pete_dushenski: lol

23:53:18 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform that hofstadter fellow has a decent little sense of humour

23:53:42 pete_dushenski: It's quite obvious, for instance, that the chairwhite of the League of Black Voters is going to be a black, not a white. Nobody need think twice about it

23:53:54 pete_dushenski: lol chairwhite...

23:55:06 mircea_popescu: lol

23:58:24 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/02/love-will-inc-pheeva-wallet-win-2015-olin-cup/

23:59:53 *: pete_dushenski shakes fist at scoopbot

23:59:53 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski it still sucks :D