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00:00:07 bounce: not that much with only one part of a multisig. you'd have to go spear-phishing afterwards.

00:00:45 bounce: might as well mount a wallet.dat grabbing attack right away with some malvertising-planted rootkittery

00:02:04 bounce: OTOH their continued allusions to their own greatness do start to grate quickly.

00:02:29 bitcoinpete: bounce: lol you make a good point even if they're lame

00:03:14 bounce: *shrug* it doesn't really do to bash'em on things they didn't actually do wrong.

00:03:42 bounce: I don't particularly like the model, but if above assumptions hold it's not acutally an outright bad idea.

00:04:00 bounce: that's a big if, though.

00:04:10 bounce: s/acut/actu/

00:05:14 bitcoinpete: it might end up being another cointerra/neobee told-ya-so, might not

00:06:20 bounce: there's always somebody going to be right with the told-ya-so.

00:07:48 bitcoinpete: well i'll let someone else be their guinea pig ;)

00:08:02 bounce: bound to be plenty volunteers

00:08:23 bitcoinpete: no doubt

00:08:27 bitcoinpete: bbl

00:16:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.48000005 = 0.96 BTC [-] {2}

00:25:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 19 @ 0.072 = 1.368 BTC [+]

00:26:50 bitcoinpete: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/05/01/florida-jail-explosion/8550957/

00:26:50 ozbot: Fla. jail explosion kills 2, injures 184

00:26:55 bitcoinpete: rainsplosion

00:27:49 bounce: any reason why?

00:31:01 bitcoinpete: too much rain --> magic --> natural gas leak --> kaboom!

00:32:36 BingoBoingo: Flooding can extinguish pilot lights, gas builds up, prisoner lights a cigarette... Boom

00:33:11 bitcoinpete: ^

00:37:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22661 @ 0.00097248 = 22.0374 BTC [+] {2}

00:39:49 mircea_popescu: bounce are you sure that there "being a market" is a valid approach ?

00:39:59 mircea_popescu: there's a market for injecting raw industrial silicon in women's buttocks.

00:41:08 mircea_popescu: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/07/27/florida-woman-posing-as-butt-enhancing-doctor-arrested-for-lethal-injections/

00:41:09 ozbot: Florida woman posing as butt-enhancing doctor arrested for lethal injections

00:41:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 150 @ 0.00086011 = 0.129 BTC [-]

00:41:39 bounce: there's people that, er, do the same thing with cement?

00:41:52 mircea_popescu: yeah.

00:41:53 bounce: anyway, I wasn't commenting on validity really

00:42:17 mircea_popescu: <bounce> I don't particularly like the model, but if above assumptions hold it's not acutally an outright bad idea. << what's that then ?

00:43:43 bounce: add earlier context that "the masses" happily take any stupid stuff when offered so even a marginally better idea improves the overall situation (if only marginally)

00:44:15 bounce: or, in other words, their idea isn't high explosive in and of itself -- which is what bitcoinpete was contending

00:44:20 mircea_popescu: kinda the point i

00:44:22 mircea_popescu: m disputing

00:44:27 kakobrekla: > you [ognasty] are one of the most trusted people in the entire crypto community

00:44:34 mircea_popescu: and only because i was just writing on this, and my conclusion was "burn it with fire"

00:44:38 mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/idiocy-without-borders-idiots-sans-frontieres/

00:44:38 kakobrekla: im not makin it up; http://pastebin.com/Y518dxjJ

00:44:39 ozbot: Idiocy without borders / Idiots sans frontieres pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

00:45:13 bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: just reading that as a matter of fact. irlloled several times in this bar

00:45:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.48 BTC [-]

00:45:46 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla the dude that kept coming to derp in here ?

00:45:52 kakobrekla: yea

00:45:53 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust ognasty

00:45:53 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user ognasty: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=ognasty | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ognasty | Rated since: Sat Sep 1 22:15:19 2012

00:46:01 mircea_popescu: well... he does have a 1...

00:46:40 mircea_popescu: "Played monopoly, paid his buy-in". if there was a more marginal marginal ever...

00:46:43 kakobrekla: anyway, if some blogger feels like dissecting this, its good material.

00:47:03 mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete the wench brings the drinks, i bring the lolz, is it ? :D

00:47:23 bounce: what's that to do with the multisig wallet thingy bitcoinpete posted a blog about?

00:48:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00097288 = 3.1132 BTC [+]

00:48:32 mircea_popescu: well no, i selected the "what to do about idiots". you seemed to say that well... empowering their idiocy through catering to their whims is a net positive.

00:48:47 mircea_popescu: i disagree. i'd rather see them hurt than served.

00:49:06 bounce: oh no, I was on about the multisig idea underpinning a webwallet thingy

00:49:21 mircea_popescu: well yes

00:49:31 bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: what more could i ask for? this bc merlot ain't half bad either

00:50:12 mircea_popescu: " as we've seen, there's a market for convenience, any convenience at all" << that part.

00:51:19 mircea_popescu: ?Experts say people resort to illegal ?pumping parties,? where customers outside a hospital or clinical setting are injected with anything from Botox to industrial-grade silicone, out of convenience or because they lack insurance or access to health care and legitimate plastic surgery.?

00:51:25 mircea_popescu: i tell you, it's connected!

00:52:19 dub: aint no party like illegal pumpin party

00:52:49 mircea_popescu: all the crazed lezzie bitchz...

00:53:01 bounce: well, with accessable insurance and accessable plastic surgery there'll still be those among the masses doing outright stupid stuff, but at least it'll be medically sound

00:53:39 bounce: my angle was I'd rather have the masses have medically sound care than not, regardless of their stupidity.

00:53:45 mircea_popescu: yeah, but you know... back in 1700 there seems to be a complete dearth of bohemian peasants that sat around injecting silicone in their butts to look more like women.

00:53:55 mircea_popescu: so perhaps the problem is that so many poor idiots are also idle.

00:54:10 mircea_popescu: but why ? cause that's what i'm trying to understand.

00:54:16 bounce: or have disposable income to spend

00:54:39 bitcoinpete: or access to credit

00:55:07 mircea_popescu: i mean this welfare nonsense is a) very recent and b) never seems to have been critically considered.

00:55:19 mircea_popescu: for as long as the british empire endured, the thinking was that the poor have to be kept busy

00:55:22 mircea_popescu: lest they become sinful.

00:55:40 mircea_popescu: this somehow switched, 180. and i can't find when, or why.

00:55:55 bounce: why? why do tribe members in darkest africa /want/ to get mutilated? c'mon, you're the one with the degree in anthropology, wasn't it?

00:56:19 mircea_popescu: well yeah, which is what confounds the example that's prolly very clear cut to you.

00:56:37 mircea_popescu: generally they want to be cut for similar reasons to women wanting to be my slaves, it's an educational experience.

00:57:29 bitcoinpete: it still appears as though the present system exists to keep the poor busy

00:57:35 mircea_popescu: does it ?

00:57:39 bitcoinpete: bread and circuses always

00:57:42 bounce: o_O? inasmuch all of life is educational, if you believe wossname esotherics. I'd rather say it's part of being part of the group. we're social, group-minded animals.

00:57:53 mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete huge diff between busy and entertained tho.

00:58:28 bitcoinpete: hmm busy to buy more entertainment

00:58:28 bounce: busy or entertained, either will do if it keeps'em from mobbing and overthrowing the ruling elite

00:58:31 bitcoinpete: new angle?

00:58:39 mircea_popescu: bounce no no, what i mean is quite this : the trannies in florida get the silicone to look a certain way. the african tribesmen get the cut to be a certain way. there's a meta level of distinction.

00:59:04 bounce: I don't see it?

00:59:24 mircea_popescu: similar to the kid that goes to college to learn vs the kid that goes to college to get the diploma.

01:00:19 bitcoinpete: and it's set up so both achieve the same nothingness 4 years later

01:00:23 mircea_popescu: and busy != entertained, because the later is self-managed, the former is not. imposing upon the poor is the essence of busywork, not just that they're occupied, but that they're occupied with other's orders.

01:00:44 bounce: couch potato is self-managed?

01:01:22 mircea_popescu: yeah.

01:01:30 bounce: hyping $stupid_show is in essence giving orders by marketeering

01:01:45 bitcoinpete: the order of a megacorp to buy a new car, new watch, granite countertops leads to busywork downstream

01:01:50 mircea_popescu: that "in essence" doesn't work.

01:01:58 mircea_popescu: it has to be in substance, not "in essence".

01:02:23 mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete this was the theory, cca 1950 to 1980s. it meanwhile failed.

01:02:39 bitcoinpete: it's not clear to me that the essence of consumerism is anything less than substance for most

01:02:57 bitcoinpete: it's a directive

01:03:01 mircea_popescu: the essence/substance distinction is not a matter subjective. what they think and represent has little import.

01:04:31 bounce: well, there's this book by a working-poor-to-riches guy that did it by working really hard and taking every opportunity (like calling the book "how you too can become a millionaire" when he's just explaining what opportunities came his way and how he used them, not really a manual but it's a bestselling title) who also notes it's often the poor that keep themselves and each other poor to, well, fit in with the rest. part of their identity.

01:05:10 bounce: breaking out of that was thus breaking with his prior identity, even his family (didn't help he was queer as a queen, but anyhow) and so on.

01:05:17 mircea_popescu: aha

01:05:29 bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu i see what you mean. perhaps the welfare deal could've only happened in the new world on the back of a sizeable military victory? never before, never again

01:05:47 bounce: reduced ad absurdum, turn off the telly frees you up to get rich. yet they don't turn off the telly for have to be up to date on the soap/game/whatever for the small talk tomorrow.

01:06:11 mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete it happened before. it's exactly how rome looked, 100 to 500ish ad. legionaires too lazy to wear... the helmet. the cuirass was long before abandoned, and even beforer that the shield.

01:06:41 mircea_popescu: bounce but the problem is the "they" in there. why should they turn off the telly or not turn off the telly ?

01:06:55 mircea_popescu: why are the poor masters of their own life ? what nonsense is this!

01:07:06 bounce: well, are they?

01:07:17 mircea_popescu: substantially, yes. essentially, no.

01:07:28 mircea_popescu: this disconnect is imo pernicious.

01:07:37 mircea_popescu: substantially, it's pernicious to the poor. and this is obvious.

01:07:54 mircea_popescu: but essentially... it is pernicious to everyone. and this has so far gone un noticed.

01:08:16 bounce: what, you're arguing against rule by the not-poor?

01:08:36 mircea_popescu: i;m arguing against trying to implement attempts at eating-and-keeping cake.

01:09:15 bounce: uhm. connect that one for me?

01:09:29 mircea_popescu: ok, let me work the latin military example, i think it's the best way in.

01:09:44 bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: ok so everything is pernicious against the poor, the current system just makes is shitty for everyone else and the planet too, because poor think they can do shit

01:10:10 mircea_popescu: cca 300 bc, the roman military consisted of citizens. they went on campaign as the field work was done, raped and pillaged, then lay down their arms and did the fields.

01:10:40 mircea_popescu: you know the story of cincinnatus btw ?

01:12:00 bounce: read the wikipedia page intro. got given a job to do, gave back the authority that came with it once job done.

01:12:18 mircea_popescu: meh. read some classical source sometime, well worth the effort. anyway.

01:12:32 mircea_popescu: those arms consisted of about 70 lbs worth of crap.

01:12:44 mircea_popescu: which they carried, on foot, for about 30 miles a day, for weeks on end.

01:12:51 mircea_popescu: and each night, they dug out a castrum

01:13:04 mircea_popescu: this was military life, at the time, and them folks were... pretty healthy.

01:13:22 mircea_popescu: now, you know caesar was beloved by the troops ?

01:13:38 bounce: by virtue of people not up to the task getting weeded out right quick

01:13:46 mircea_popescu: indeed.

01:14:08 mircea_popescu: you essentially couldsn't get married if you didn't do well i nthe military, so italso self-selected.

01:14:16 bounce: plenty fighting, plenty loot. that sort of go-getter tends to be popular with the troops.

01:14:21 mircea_popescu: not at all.

01:14:30 mircea_popescu: he was popular with the troops because he carried his fucking gear.

01:14:32 mircea_popescu: that was all.

01:14:38 bounce: heh. ok.

01:15:03 mircea_popescu: see ? but the greatest general the romans ever had, arguably, was loved for this very important fucking point, to the soldiers of the time :

01:15:07 mircea_popescu: that he was, himself, a soldier.

01:15:18 bounce: though he apparently also had quite a bit of tent with tiles(!) for flooring with him on campaign, but anyway

01:15:48 mircea_popescu: now, fast forward to caracalla. one of the least bearable emperors in history.

01:16:32 mircea_popescu: by now, the soldiers are sort-of carrying 30ish lbs of crap, and it's more like "you gotta be a suycker to carry all that".

01:16:40 mircea_popescu: what does this do to the general of the time ?

01:16:50 mircea_popescu: because you see... suppose someone inssited they do everything old style.

01:17:08 mircea_popescu: would he likely be loved ? or on the contrary, despised as a total fucking moron of aggregated pointless idiocy ?

01:18:15 bounce: hard to tell. would depend a lot on how it's sold to the troops. I'll grant doing it without selling won't buy you anything except perhaps the troops' stuff to carry too.

01:18:33 mircea_popescu: suppose i walk into a 3rd year computer science class at mit, and proceed to make the kids do one arithmetic problem, and then once they fuck it up make them do one hundred, by hand,

01:18:41 mircea_popescu: and get out the cane and start caning them liberally per mistake.

01:18:47 mircea_popescu: this isn't teaching, right ? it's child abuse.

01:19:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.0009738 = 23.8581 BTC [+] {3}

01:19:18 mircea_popescu: so there we have it : the cleaving between substance and essence makes it impossible for people to live,

01:19:20 bounce: guys at MIT probably wouldn't make that many misteaks. they have a bit of an ethos of being bloody smart and figuring things out.

01:19:24 mircea_popescu: but it also makes it impossible for them to be helped.

01:19:47 mircea_popescu: it;'s not enough they aren';t fucking soldiers anymore. for their sins, they also cant have generals now.

01:21:15 mircea_popescu: bounce re figuring stuff out, the mandatory http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ve23i5K334

01:21:18 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu soldiers only follow orders...isn't a requisite for higher learning self thought?

01:21:18 bounce: uhm. I think I see where you're coming from but the essence/substance thing doesn't speak to me. maybe I'm tired.

01:21:40 mircea_popescu: well tomorrow is another day

01:22:11 bounce: have you read heinlein's starship troopers, btw?

01:22:16 mircea_popescu: mno

01:23:51 decimation: Of course, during republican times, if the army seriously fucked up they would have ... the decimation

01:24:21 mircea_popescu: o hello.

01:24:29 mircea_popescu: that really was very rare, for all its fame.

01:25:50 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller it depends to a huge degree whose orders tho.

01:26:15 mircea_popescu: some guy who simply blindly and slavishly followed da vinci's orders has overall better chances to make his own masterpieces in 30 years than some kid sitting on his ass on reddit all day.

01:26:40 *: bounce calls for a law to ban reddit, for the arts!

01:26:52 mircea_popescu: if only.

01:27:04 mircea_popescu: but it dun work that way.

01:29:19 mircea_popescu: !up AgentSmurf

01:29:19 assbot: Voicing AgentSmurf for 30 minutes.

01:29:21 bitcoinpete: A state, is called the coldest of all cold monsters. Coldly lieth it also; and this lie creepeth from its mouth: "I, the state, am the people."

01:29:22 bitcoinpete: It is a lie! Creators were they who created peoples, and hung a faith and a love over them: thus they served life.

01:29:22 bitcoinpete: Destroyers, are they who lay snares for many, and call it the state: they hang a sword and a hundred cravings over them.

01:29:23 bitcoinpete: Where there is still a people, there the state is not understood, but hated as the evil eye, and as sin against laws and customs.

01:29:41 bitcoinpete: thus spoke zarathustra

01:30:20 mircea_popescu: hehe

01:31:37 decimation: Well, the point is, maim (or kill one), educate one thousand

01:33:29 BingoBoingo: I kind of actually hope the Sterling dude exercises ownership by abolishing the Clippers.

01:33:45 decimation: I doubt he has the actual power to do s

01:34:05 mircea_popescu: ownership means very little these days in the us.

01:34:44 bitcoinpete: "Many sick people have always been among the poetizers and God-cravers; furiously they hate the lover of knowledge and that youngest among the virtues, which is called "honesty." They always look backward toward dark ages; then, indeed, delusion and faith were another matter: the rage of reason was godlikeness, and doubt was sin." <<mas zara

01:35:34 bounce: quoting scripture?

01:35:38 bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: sterling's best hope is that the other owners got his back, which , maybe

01:36:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15324 @ 0.00097439 = 14.9316 BTC [+]

01:36:25 mircea_popescu: bounce he really likes nietzsche

01:36:29 decimation: no, he's quoting that nutcase Nietzsche

01:36:36 bitcoinpete: bounce: nietzsche. scripture is the logs and the pentuach lol

01:36:57 decimation: The best version of that book is the tone-poem by Richard Strauss

01:37:06 bounce: some scripture, with "lol" for punctuation

01:37:55 bitcoinpete: bounce: if you can't laugh at it, it ain't much good

01:38:22 bounce: what was that bit about laughing tracks again?

01:38:44 bitcoinpete: that's other people laughing, how do they count?

01:39:19 artifexd: ;;last jurov

01:39:19 gribble: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must (1 more message)

01:39:32 bounce: spammy spammy gribble

01:39:39 bounce: time for me to catch some zees though

01:39:45 artifexd: ;;seen jurov

01:39:46 gribble: jurov was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 hours, 24 minutes, and 17 seconds ago: <jurov> supay, such as, github stuff?

01:40:35 bitcoinpete: bounce: ciao

01:41:12 mircea_popescu: anyone seen x, y and zee ?

01:42:19 mircea_popescu: !jd mpif

01:42:19 assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 50.47838131 BTC

01:42:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0290001 = 0.29 BTC [-]

01:43:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.03586108 = 0.3227 BTC [+]

01:44:15 thestringpuller: ;;gettrust deprived

01:44:16 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user deprived: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=deprived | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=deprived | Rated since: never

01:44:21 thestringpuller: ;;gettrust Deprived

01:44:22 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user Deprived: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=Deprived | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Deprived | Rated since: never

01:44:30 thestringpuller: damn was he never in wot?

01:44:41 mircea_popescu: !jd mpif

01:44:41 assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 163.63493644 BTC

01:45:15 thestringpuller: ?

01:45:19 thestringpuller: !jd mpif

01:45:19 assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 163.63723671 BTC

01:45:29 thestringpuller: <.<;; ;;>.>

01:45:34 mircea_popescu: so there we go. 213.15567101 btc added to f.mpif in exchange for 1mn extra shares, invested 100 into panacea and 113.15567101 into jd.

01:45:44 thestringpuller: oh

01:45:47 thestringpuller: nice

01:45:56 thestringpuller: damn MPIF is just what we need...

01:45:59 thestringpuller: thanks MP lol

01:46:03 mircea_popescu: this is a little over ideal weight imo, will trim it over time as other venues become able to absorb moar capital

01:49:55 BingoBoingo: It's probably for the best that this extra capital went to the lower risk ventures.

01:52:46 mircea_popescu: hehe we don't even have enough history yet to really evaluate risk

01:53:54 artifexd: Today is not a day to skimp on reading the logs.

01:54:19 artifexd: Maybe read them a few times....

01:54:43 mircea_popescu: the logs have improved!

01:55:59 mike_c: i thought the block of 1mn that sold was you selling your shares in mpif

01:56:07 mike_c: those were new shares?

01:56:28 mike_c: so you hold 1mn and everybody else holds 1mn?

01:56:37 mike_c: and there is another block of 1mn sitting on the order book?

01:56:51 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well jd and panacea have histories. I'm assuming my pc is high risk until evidence supports otherwise.

01:56:54 mircea_popescu: yes, like 1mn and a little sold, and i have almost 1mn which is sitting in the book

01:57:19 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo panacea's almost a year old, jd is almost two. these aren't histories, berkshire is like 50 years old.

01:57:35 mike_c: jd isn't even a year old yet :)

01:57:39 BingoBoingo: Fair enough.

01:58:00 BingoBoingo: But yeah, Jd just started last summer.

01:58:16 mircea_popescu: mike_c whoa fuck you'r eright.

01:58:36 mircea_popescu: !jd mpif

01:58:36 assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 163.64373055 BTC

01:58:40 mike_c: bitcoin time.. it feels like forever.

01:58:52 mircea_popescu: this jd thing is becoming a fun passtime

02:00:41 asciilifeform: montrex watch << mega-lol! thank you mircea_popescu.

02:00:52 asciilifeform: how do you even find these turds.

02:00:55 mircea_popescu: punkman

02:01:25 decimation: asciilifeform: http://www.bulldogtrust.com/index12.htm more ham strange (I enjoyed your diodes) -- "A wrought iron table 60 feet from the antenna will pick up enough energy to make a visible arc to ground"

02:02:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2913 @ 0.0001489 = 0.4337 BTC [+]

02:03:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2302 @ 0.00014912 = 0.3433 BTC [+] {2}

02:04:01 TestingUnoDosTre: I'm very confused to what MPIF actually is. Can someone explain? I have read the mpex page, but it has not enlightened me to what is exactly going on

02:04:42 mike_c: it is a fund. you give money to mpif, it invests it in various bitcoin thingies.

02:04:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21000 @ 0.00097356 = 20.4448 BTC [-]

02:10:33 mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre didja read the stuff in the f.mpif category ? like http://trilema.com/2014/the-wunderbar-smpif/ ?

02:11:56 TestingUnoDosTre: mircea_popescu - missed that, thanks

02:14:31 mike_c: 1 ATC block in the last 2.5 hours :(

02:16:04 artifexd: mike_c: That makes this ( http://bitbet.us/bet/812/atc-to-reach-block-50000-on-time/ ) look more interesting

02:16:40 bitcoinpete: http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2248419 <<imf be like hey girl

02:16:41 ozbot: Regulating Digital Currencies: Bringing Bitcoin within the Reach of the IMF by Nicholas Plassaras :

02:17:23 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust Nicholas Plassaras

02:17:24 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user Nicholas to user Plassaras: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=Nicholas&dest=Plassaras | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Plassaras | Rated since: never

02:18:02 TestingUnoDosTre: oh my fuck, you're telling me I could have just bet both sides at the beginning and won?

02:18:02 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: Poor people are an animal species, not as useful as bovines... intimately connected to shit << tricky, this. penniless student, or engineer bled dry by usa housing, or any number of folks, aren't necessarily turdmeisters of the kind painted here

02:18:35 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform very true.

02:19:23 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but there's certainly a kind of creature, that usa is famous for, that this piece is inescapably about. and the only common attribute of the group, to the unarmed eye, is 'poor.'

02:19:27 mircea_popescu: of course, a large part of hte problem is that if the derps running around on welfare checks debasing the cultural impoirtance of money,

02:19:36 mircea_popescu: the engineer would NOT think there are more important things in life,

02:19:43 mircea_popescu: and so he would not allow himself to be bleed dry.

02:19:47 mircea_popescu: nor the student, if he had any sense.

02:20:38 asciilifeform: engineer would NOT think there are more important things in life << or, alternatively, stand up and fight to the death for la serenissima.

02:21:12 mircea_popescu: something like that. as they say, a fart stinks up the entire room.

02:21:35 mircea_popescu: the ill effects of moral hazard produced through giving idiots free money are far reaching.

02:21:58 mike_c: artifexd: yeah, i don't know which way that bet is going to go, but it will be a bumpy ride.

02:22:05 asciilifeform: i've some essayturds buried somewhere, on the death of craftsman.

02:22:28 asciilifeform: (and the hegemony of the cruftsman)

02:22:42 asciilifeform: ;;ud cruft

02:22:43 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cruft | cruft. 1. The dust that gathers underneath a bed, 2. Shoddily constructed or made, 3. Bad code, 4. Accumulated physical or virtual junk. Jim had to spend several ...

02:22:44 ozbot: Urban Dictionary: cruft

02:22:59 asciilifeform: pfff. cruft is the substance inside your keyboard.

02:23:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 24 @ 0.00444596 = 0.1067 BTC [-]

02:23:18 asciilifeform: or old-style ball bearing mouse.

02:24:14 mircea_popescu: bovine albumin.

02:24:21 mircea_popescu: + celulose detritus

02:24:48 decimation: it seems to me that any core group ("old republicans?") who would stand and fight would easily be crushed by the existing US power holders

02:25:01 *: asciilifeform fondly remembers measuring little tubes of bovine albumin to mix in cell culture medium.

02:25:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00097356 = 10.6118 BTC [-]

02:25:23 mircea_popescu: decimation what's your definition of "fight" ?

02:25:54 decimation: well exactly. carry a 30 lb sack and bitch about it

02:25:55 asciilifeform: decimation: there is more than one way to fight

02:26:39 artifexd: "craftsman" That was the motivation behind my choice of nick. To continually remind myself of the meaning behind the word and to aspire to have that word used to describe me.

02:27:21 mircea_popescu: and whence the d ?

02:27:48 artifexd: unix-y d. As in the worker that does its work out of sight. Daemon.

02:28:41 mircea_popescu: haha nice combo.

02:29:12 artifexd: ty

02:29:26 asciilifeform: other nitpick - welfare cheques give us - plastic forks; vc money pissing bacchanalia gives us plastic programming systems, plastic internet, etc.

02:29:56 mircea_popescu: nah.

02:30:10 mircea_popescu: w/o the welfare cheques, the "vc" bunch would be alone in a room.

02:30:26 asciilifeform: plastic in the sense of a trash bag i once had the misfortune to keep some machines in - that fell into ten thousand pieces

02:30:29 decimation: I was thinking about this the other day. Almost every technology advance has been used in the US to reduce quality and increase prices. Cell phones go from 25 kHz analog channel to 10 kbit/s "channel"

02:30:29 asciilifeform: 'degradable!'

02:30:32 mircea_popescu: nobody'd come to put up the show and shake the bottled fars for them

02:30:37 mircea_popescu: not unless they paid. by the hour.

02:31:42 mircea_popescu: decimation that's a major point of socialism : it uses technology to degrade quality of life

02:31:52 mircea_popescu: (while claiming capitalism is doing this, of course)

02:32:13 decimation: kitchen appliances go from stainless machines that last for decades to cheap plastic shit that rots after a few years

02:32:53 decimation: try buying a decent dishwasher or clothes washer in the us

02:32:57 mircea_popescu: absurdly, this part i like.

02:33:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00097176 = 4.2757 BTC [-]

02:33:15 mircea_popescu: it matches my lifestyle perfectly, i get to a new place, buy a set of the plastic shits

02:33:21 mircea_popescu: by the time they're falling apart i was just about leaving

02:33:45 asciilifeform: this is sorta how it's done in usa

02:34:03 decimation: yeah the average usian moves every 7 years as i recall

02:34:08 asciilifeform: i spent a good deal of today checking list of things that won't be coming to new flat, and it includes virtually everything

02:34:18 mircea_popescu: yurts!

02:34:21 decimation: the problem is that they are running out of places to sprawl and ruin

02:34:28 asciilifeform: aye. semispace garbage collection!

02:34:30 mircea_popescu: i told people of my engineer park yurt design

02:34:37 mircea_popescu: everyone was falling over in cuteness

02:35:06 decimation: I think it would be great. Young engineers would occupy the greybeard's old shacks, and repeat his experiments

02:36:15 mircea_popescu: maybe when you're old and dying you pick a guy to bequeath your yurt line toi

02:36:33 asciilifeform: decimation: for some reason, this reminds me of a tale my consulting partner (physicist, grew up in india, 1970s) told me. students would qualify on instruments that barely worked, but belonged, to, e.g. the great Bose.

02:36:51 decimation: Aram Bose?

02:36:52 mircea_popescu: with the scribblings ?

02:36:52 asciilifeform: they'd be carefully marked with a crib sheet for the 'correct' measurement.

02:36:55 asciilifeform: aye

02:37:24 asciilifeform: 'feel honoured to use bose's broken spectroscope' etc

02:37:32 decimation: sounds legit. Why not learn on the very machines of the old master? Better yet, fix it up

02:37:53 asciilifeform: yeah well, in the western world they might fix.

02:38:11 asciilifeform: in the east, fix won't happen, for the lack of a new bose

02:38:32 decimation: there is a new bose, he just doesn't live in the east: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanu_Bose

02:38:51 decimation: I'm sure being India there's a caste aspect to it too

02:39:07 decimation: Boston brahmins being replaced with Brahmins

02:39:43 asciilifeform: Aram Bose << nope. the bose of bose-einstein condensate, etc

02:39:53 asciilifeform: Satyendra Nath Bose

02:40:08 decimation: ah okay I'm thinking Bose of the bose speaker empire

02:40:13 decimation: ex-MIT EE

02:40:17 asciilifeform: lol

02:40:24 asciilifeform: infamous u.s. huckster, that one

02:40:28 decimation: yes indeed

02:40:45 asciilifeform: emblematic of faux luxury products

02:41:03 asciilifeform: if he didn't exist, 'we'd have to invent him' for the purpose of this line of thought.

02:41:05 decimation: he was a legitimate EE prof at MIT, but apparently found it more profitable to separate idiots from their money

02:41:30 decimation: I was wrong he was Amar, not Aram, my memories betray

02:42:04 TestingUnoDosTre: until Dr. Dre came into the headphone space. Then idiots lost their money twice as fast

02:42:09 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i bet you that if you asked indian teens today, the millionaire speaker ee guy is more interesting a worship idol than the physicist.

02:42:14 asciilifeform: now, also pertinent, is how this fellow (me partner, not amar) ended up in usa

02:42:27 asciilifeform: booted out through 'affirmative action' style quotas for the bottom castes

02:42:32 asciilifeform: instituted in that period.

02:42:38 decimation: by india or the us?

02:42:41 asciilifeform: india

02:43:09 asciilifeform: they have a sort of scale model of u.s. idiocy going

02:43:24 decimation: india is the future of us democracy

02:43:53 thestringpuller: ^ that is frightening

02:43:57 asciilifeform: decimation is optimist

02:44:02 thestringpuller: haha

02:44:07 TestingUnoDosTre: kakobrekla ,some anonymous asshat keeps on posting advertisements for his own difficulty betting site on bitbet http://bitbet.us/bet/677/bitcoin-network-difficulty-14bn-on-bastille-day/#c2888

02:44:18 asciilifeform: in the east, there is at least a tradition of castes 'knowing their place' that they might potentially return to.

02:44:23 mircea_popescu: lol!

02:44:36 mircea_popescu: ;;google trilema fairlay

02:44:37 gribble: When did the 2007 banking crisis start ? How about 1985 ... - Trilema: http://trilema.com/2014/when-did-the-2007-banking-crisis-start-how-about-1985/; Economic cycles finally explained pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: http://trilema.com/2014/economic-cycles-finally-explained/; Trilemma Stability and International Macroeconomic Archetypes: (1 more message)

02:44:51 mircea_popescu: aww im sure he was there

02:45:22 decimation: yeah I agree "us -> india" is on the optimistic side

02:45:34 asciilifeform: try brazil, say.

02:45:37 TestingUnoDosTre: ahhh that one is not in engrish

02:45:49 kakobrekla: yes everyone advertises on bitbet comments, from predictious to fairlay

02:46:09 mircea_popescu: these people

02:46:16 mircea_popescu: why not splurge and buy... a banner!

02:48:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15218 @ 0.00097312 = 14.8089 BTC [+] {2}

02:48:49 asciilifeform: he was a legitimate EE prof at MIT << profs. bolt, beranek, and newman quit to do... neat stuff. today, they leave to become spammers. 'that's where the money is.'

02:49:25 decimation: at least they sold out to respectable beltway banditry

02:49:50 TestingUnoDosTre: I'm going to go create a betting website, go advertise on bitbet, then create a bitbet that my site will last throughout the year, then bet on NO

02:49:54 TestingUnoDosTre: muchos profits

02:50:32 mircea_popescu: sometimes i entertain this vague notion where we're somehow all wrong and the nonsense somehow actually makes sense

02:50:43 asciilifeform: who doesn't

02:50:45 mircea_popescu: sorta like SF

02:51:04 asciilifeform: sorta like the occasional healthy fellow who ends up in a mental asylum

02:51:05 mircea_popescu: "what premises would we need for intelligent frogs to make perfect sense ?"

02:51:12 asciilifeform: eventually starts to crack

02:51:25 mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre lol

02:51:56 mircea_popescu: then make another one, and with the profitos from the first one, buy a a banner ?

02:52:03 asciilifeform: thing is, for sufficiently narrow tunnel, anything makes sense. flying into a flame makes perfect sense to the insect.

02:52:51 mircea_popescu: btw, i don't know if you realise this, but we're fucking up most insects something fierce.

02:53:11 mircea_popescu: they're tuned to seek the moon in the dark, you see, because while they can't go that far, all of them seeking it ensures they meet

02:53:13 mircea_popescu: and so they fuck.

02:53:24 mircea_popescu: but with the countless neon moons distributed all over, this ceases to work

02:54:14 asciilifeform: for quite a while.

02:54:18 mircea_popescu: like in that computing sucks blog,

02:54:19 mircea_popescu: "You discover that one day, some idiot decided that since another idiot decided that 1/0 should equal infinity, they could just use that as a shorthand for "Infinity" when simplifying their code. Then a non-idiot rightly decided that this was idiotic, which is what the original idiot should have decided, but since he didn't, the non-idiot decided to be a dick and make this a failing error in his new compiler. Then he d

02:54:19 mircea_popescu: ecided he wasn't going to tell anyone that this was an error, because he's a dick, and now all your snowflakes are urine and you can't even find the cat."

02:54:34 asciilifeform: see peppered moth.

02:54:37 asciilifeform: famous example

02:54:41 mircea_popescu: that's exactly what happened : some engineer made 1/0 shorthand for infinity trying to fit their code into the insect

02:54:44 asciilifeform: known, i think, even to u.s. schoolboys

02:54:47 mircea_popescu: where 1/0 = moon

02:56:20 asciilifeform: for users of 'source' linux flavours, e.g. gentoo, the comical picture above is daily reality.

02:57:21 asciilifeform: 'remove xxx to build new ver. xxx' won't build. spend a week to get a working box again.'

02:57:26 TestingUnoDosTre: how does one fit code into an insect?

02:57:52 decimation: ascii, the thing is that such systems seem so seductive when they are young and small

02:57:52 mircea_popescu: if i knew that i'd have some kickass locusts

02:58:07 decimation: the rot isn't obvious until the next generation comes to try to 'fix' things

02:58:10 mircea_popescu: moe!

02:59:27 decimation: how many bugs are you willing to tolerate?

02:59:47 asciilifeform: decimation: the system is capped by the intelligence of the dumbest contributor. which would be, typically... 10,000 people? there's bound to be a turdmeister.

03:00:09 ThickAsThieves: this is kinda interesting

03:00:10 ThickAsThieves: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/24himq/i_sent_a_freedom_of_information_act_request_to/

03:00:11 ozbot: I sent a Freedom of Information Act Request to the FBI over a year ago. They just responded today. :

03:00:25 ThickAsThieves: it's heavily redacted commentary on bitcoin

03:01:32 asciilifeform: in other news...

03:01:33 asciilifeform: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-01/pentagon-admits-no-solution-replace-russian-rockets-launch-us-military-satellites

03:01:35 ozbot: Pentagon Admits "No Solution" To Replace Russian Rockets To Launch US Military Satellites | Zero Hed

03:02:28 decimation: http://www.space.com/25718-russian-official-us-trampolines-space.html

03:02:29 ozbot: Russia's Deputy Prime Minister on Twitter: US Can Use Trampolines to Reach Space | Space.com

03:03:12 asciilifeform: catch them on re-entry with baseball glove.

03:03:16 decimation: the irony is that the US has plenty of rockets that are plenty reliable for human space flight

03:03:17 asciilifeform: american, patriotic.

03:03:24 asciilifeform: had.

03:03:51 decimation: the problem is that the vast space-welfare complex can't be made to do anything without billions of $

03:04:37 asciilifeform: 'what can't continue - won't.' etc

03:06:31 TestingUnoDosTre: asciilifeform - this comment from zero hedge is great "It shouldn't have taken them this long to figure out sanctions against Russia wouldn't work in the first place. Next they will be passing sanctions against hurricanes and earthquakes, might as well go full retard at this point."

03:07:07 TestingUnoDosTre: Can totally see the War on Global Warming

03:07:36 asciilifeform: TestingUnoDosTre: quite a few folks in russia are pining for the (distant) possibility of proper sanctions. where usa takes its pernicious cultural, economic exports and goes home.

03:07:44 decimation: even the supposed "outsiders" like Musk are really just on the space-welfare dole

03:08:04 asciilifeform: if everybody in a given field is on the dole, what does that suggest about the field?

03:08:30 TestingUnoDosTre: it's going to the moon!

03:08:33 decimation: except, there are almost no "fields" in the us that are free of such doles

03:09:31 decimation: honestly if the US wanted to go full-retard, the most profitable way to proceed would be to stop collecting any taxes and run the entire USG on printed money

03:09:59 asciilifeform: decimation: end of the line. the train gets there eventually.

03:10:17 asciilifeform: when the choice becomes 'pay tax and starve' vs. 'live, off the books'

03:10:29 asciilifeform: as in '90s russia

03:10:43 decimation: "we survived as best we could"

03:11:44 kakobrekla: in the Machine town.

03:12:46 decimation: did you see this article ascii? http://theden.tv/2014/04/08/russia-yesterday-america-tomorrow-notes-on-neoliberal-looting/

03:13:30 asciilifeform: decimation: the asset-stripping thing is only a secret from u.s. schoolchildren

03:15:19 decimation: the elites are not happy to have the masses know the truth about "foreign policy"

03:15:30 benkay: what is this book of williamsons?

03:15:33 asciilifeform: basic course on russian privatization. 'your formerly state-issued flat is now yours. you are a millionaire!' - 'neato. but my salary hasn't been paid in a year. gotta buy something to eat. what does dinner cost?' - 'half a million.'

03:16:30 moiety: this is like my life at present ^

03:17:00 moiety: but dinner costs 2

03:18:01 decimation: " Jeffrey Sachs was an advisor to the IMF. He also claimed to be an advisor to the Russians. "

03:20:44 asciilifeform: 'Russia's post-collapse economy was for a time dominated by one type of wholesale business: asset stripping. To put it in an American setting: suppose you have title, or otherwise unhindered access, to an entire suburban subdivision, which is no longer accessible by transportation, either public or private, too far to reach by bicycle, and is generally no longer suitable for its intended purpose of housing and

03:20:44 asciilifeform: accumulating equity for fully employed commuters who shop at the now defunct nearby mall. After the mortgages are foreclosed and the properties repossessed, what more is there to do, except board it all up and let it rot? Well, what has been developed can be just as easily undeveloped.'

03:20:54 asciilifeform: 'Russia's post-collapse economy was for a time dominated by one type of wholesale business: asset stripping. To put it in an American setting: suppose you have title, or otherwise unhindered access, to an entire suburban subdivision, which is no longer accessible by transportation, either public or private, too far to reach by bicycle, and is generally no longer suitable for its intended purpose of housing and

03:20:55 asciilifeform: accumulating equity for fully employed commuters who shop at the now defunct nearby mall. After the mortgages are foreclosed and the properties repossessed, what more is there to do, except board it all up and let it rot? Well, what has been developed can be just as easily undeveloped.'

03:21:05 asciilifeform: 'Having bits of the landscape disappear can be a rude surprise. One summer I arrived in St. Petersburg and found that a new scourge had descended on the land while I was gone: a lot of manhole covers were mysteriously missing. Nobody knew where they went or who profited from their removal. One guess was that the municipal workers, who hadn't been paid in months, took them home with them, to be returned once th

03:21:05 asciilifeform: ey got paid. They did eventually reappear, so there may be some merit to this theory. With the gaping manholes positioned throughout the city like so many anteater traps for cars, you had the choice of driving either very slowly and carefully, or very fast, and betting your life on the proper functioning of the shock absorbers. '

03:21:13 asciilifeform: (orlov's infamous piece)

03:21:45 asciilifeform: 'Post-Soviet Lessons for a Post-American Century.'

03:22:28 TestingUnoDosTre: orlov has to be one of the most oft quoted here

03:22:37 asciilifeform: damn, this didn't work

03:22:48 asciilifeform: anyway, everyone has probably read that one.

03:24:03 mod6: it's good, everytime I read it asciilifeform

03:26:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12809 @ 0.00097375 = 12.4728 BTC [+] {2}

03:27:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 36 @ 0.00465736 = 0.1677 BTC [-]

03:28:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.03376027 = 0.1013 BTC [-]

03:45:09 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell supay Keep me updated on how your guide is doing

03:45:10 gribble: The operation succeeded.

03:55:06 TestingUnoDosTre: ok, slightly retarded here but... how do I register a new nick to an already registered gpgkey via gribble?

03:56:46 TestingUnoDosTre: I'm trying to rid myself of TestingUnoDosTre

03:58:38 benkay: have you tried registering a new nick with that key?

03:58:52 benkay: i hate to suggest the obvious...

04:00:11 TestingUnoDosTre: tried and it said key was already i use

04:00:32 TestingUnoDosTre: "this key is already registered under the server"

04:00:43 TestingUnoDosTre: database*

04:06:53 benkay: hey nanotube how does changing nicks happen

04:07:38 nanotube: benkay: just /nick <newnick> ?

04:07:39 benkay: alternatively, you could sign the new identity with the old identity's keys saying something along the lines of 'now doing business as' and then ask all your raters to rate your new nick

04:07:56 benkay: nanotube: in wot one cannot register a key to two nicks. how would one change one's wot nick.

04:08:02 TestingUnoDosTre: sign the new identity with old key?

04:08:02 benkay: /./?

04:08:06 benkay: well, rate it

04:08:20 TestingUnoDosTre: yah, thought of that

04:08:38 nanotube: TestingUnoDosTre: well, if you wanted to do it without my intervention, you can just change key on your old identity to some new key, then register the old key with a new nick. or... you could just ask me to change your otc username.

04:08:42 TestingUnoDosTre: WOT becomes the tangled web of trust

04:09:08 nanotube: hopefully not tangled :)

04:09:09 TestingUnoDosTre: ooo could you please change my otcusername to TheNewDeal

04:09:15 nanotube: ;;ident TestingUnoDosTre

04:09:15 gribble: Nick 'TestingUnoDosTre', with hostmask 'TestingUnoDosTre!~AndChat31@', is identified as user 'TestingUnoDosTre', with GPG key id DFBEC17DF96DFB77, key fingerprint 468950118F292A0AA73BCCC3DFBEC17DF96DFB77, and bitcoin address None

04:09:30 nanotube: ;;gpg info TheNewDeal

04:09:31 gribble: No such user registered.

04:09:34 nanotube: heh ok

04:15:10 TheNewDeal: Goodbye TestingUnoDosTre, hello TheNewDeal

04:15:20 benkay: ;;gettrust assbot TheNewDeal

04:15:20 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask TheNewDeal!~AndChat31@ Trust relationship from user assbot to user TheNewDeal: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=TheNewDeal | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=TheNewDeal | Rated since: Sun Apr 13 12:56:09 2014

04:17:44 TheNewDeal: ;;rate nanotube 1 wanted to have my gpg key applied to a different nick, helped me achieve in a timely fashion. Muchos gracias!

04:17:45 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user nanotube has been recorded.

04:19:28 nanotube: :)

04:19:54 TheNewDeal: nother follow up question

04:19:57 TheNewDeal: :D

04:20:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00097439 = 5.2617 BTC [+]

04:20:33 TheNewDeal: if I go and register TheNewDeal_ under this nick, can I still ;;eauth as TheNewDeal?

04:21:33 nanotube: your irc nick is irrelevant, as long as you have the key for thenewdeal, you can auth as thenewdeal, even if your nick is benkay :)

04:22:31 TheNewDeal: so I could have authed as TestingUnoDosTre while I am thenewdeal, just have to be less retarded?

04:23:31 TheNewDeal: understanding now...

04:24:01 TheNewDeal: final question. How easy is it to get an online gambling license in Anitgua as a foreigner?

04:24:09 benkay: bahaha

04:24:32 TheNewDeal: anybody have some prime antigua connections?

04:35:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.0044445 = 0.1111 BTC [-]

04:42:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2010 @ 0.00014741 = 0.2963 BTC [-] {3}

04:43:12 bitcoinpete: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/05/01/plastic-zerg-laughing-protoss/

04:43:13 ozbot: Plastic Zerg, Laughing Protoss | When Bitcoin Met Pete

04:43:54 bitcoinpete: mostly a rehashing of mircea_popescu's latest, with an added starcraft race

04:44:55 bitcoinpete: aaand i'm out. cheers

04:46:40 TheNewDeal: condoms hould def be subsidized

05:20:54 BingoBoingo: !up AgentSmurf

05:20:54 assbot: Voicing AgentSmurf for 30 minutes.

05:22:32 AgentSmurf: where am i? what is this strange place? what is this sound? my own voice? eh..

05:26:17 BingoBoingo: Good Question.

05:27:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00097205 = 4.5686 BTC [-]

05:31:16 fluffypony: and why am I holding all these cloves of garlic?

05:31:35 fluffypony: all these and many more questions will be answered in next week's exciting episode of

05:32:23 fluffypony: The Bitcoin Assets Playbook

05:38:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00097184 = 7.7747 BTC [-] {3}

05:38:35 benkay: !up jordandotdev

05:38:35 assbot: Voicing jordandotdev for 30 minutes.

05:38:44 benkay: !up soulblade738

05:38:44 assbot: Voicing soulblade738 for 30 minutes.

05:41:39 TheNewDeal: are beings becoming sentient in bitcoin-assets tonight?

05:41:53 BingoBoingo: Seems possible.

05:45:16 TheNewDeal: ;;google time value bitcoin

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05:45:26 TheNewDeal: hmph

05:45:35 benkay: a bitcoin today is worth how many bitcoin next year?

05:45:41 benkay: fundamental problem.

05:45:43 TheNewDeal: yes

05:48:51 TestingUnoDosTre: benkay

05:49:09 TestingUnoDosTre: say I want to invest 1 btc in a bitbet that will resolve jan 1 2015

05:50:14 TestingUnoDosTre: how much interest (in btc) should I need for a bet that resolves in half the time, to compare equally

05:51:48 TestingUnoDosTre: !up agentsmurf

05:51:48 assbot: Voicing agentsmurf for 30 minutes.

05:53:04 benkay: bitbet opened in january?

05:53:17 benkay: last january?

05:53:48 benkay: so 15 mos?

05:54:09 TestingUnoDosTre: jan 1 2015 is like 8 months from now

05:54:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.03585275 = 0.251 BTC [+] {7}

05:54:53 TestingUnoDosTre: so lets say I want to put 1 btc down on a bet that resolves 1 august 2014

05:55:05 BingoBoingo: It really depends on what you are betting on and who else might want to bet.

05:55:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.03627054 = 0.3627 BTC [+] {10}

05:55:40 TestingUnoDosTre: lets just stick to the time value of having 1 btc locked up in a bet for 4 months vs 8 months

05:56:22 TestingUnoDosTre: do you know what I mean?

05:56:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 11 @ 0.0376818 = 0.4145 BTC [+] {11}

05:56:39 BingoBoingo: I'm not sure what you are trying to mean matters much.

05:56:58 TestingUnoDosTre: haha well I shall continue

05:57:10 BingoBoingo: If you want to lock up a bitcoin on Bitbet, the most important thing is having good information.

05:57:16 BingoBoingo: But yeah, continue

05:57:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.03872165 = 0.3485 BTC [+] {9}

05:57:41 TestingUnoDosTre: so If I'm going to buy a stock option that expires jan 1 2015 of company A

05:57:53 TestingUnoDosTre: let's say it costs $100

05:58:02 TestingUnoDosTre: and then I wait 4 months

05:58:13 TestingUnoDosTre: stock price stays the same

05:58:22 TestingUnoDosTre: but option costs $200

05:58:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 11 @ 0.038999 = 0.429 BTC [+] {11}

05:59:03 benkay: i think the bitbet return betting the house line is about 0.5%/mo

05:59:09 benkay: http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2014/betting-bitbet-both-ways/

05:59:17 TestingUnoDosTre: I did just read the article today

05:59:24 TestingUnoDosTre: very intruiging

05:59:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 11 @ 0.038999 = 0.429 BTC [+] {11}

06:00:17 TestingUnoDosTre: but what I am asking is, what is the cost of locking up a bitcoin for a period of time

06:00:19 fluffypony: punkman: I was *so close* to pulling the trigger on that Montrex watch when I saw it, but I couldn't find anything open an "open source Suisse" movement on the web so I figured something was awry...so glad I didn't go for it

06:00:22 TestingUnoDosTre: because it seams to be negative

06:00:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.03899949 = 0.39 BTC [+] {8}

06:01:07 benkay: hah yes you do recieve a return for placing btc on bitbet

06:01:10 benkay: or you can i suppose

06:01:14 BingoBoingo: TestingUnoDosTre: Well, in this exercise are you betting both sides?

06:01:22 BingoBoingo: Or only the winning one?

06:01:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 11 @ 0.03936362 = 0.433 BTC [+] {9}

06:01:42 TestingUnoDosTre: nonono

06:02:00 TestingUnoDosTre: you could be doing this with both sides if you wish

06:02:14 TestingUnoDosTre: ill try another example

06:02:25 benkay: think about it like this: bitbet pays you interest for providing liquidity

06:02:28 TestingUnoDosTre: lets say I'm betting both sides on two bets

06:02:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.03966867 = 0.3967 BTC [+] {8}

06:02:44 TestingUnoDosTre: I'll lay .5 btc on yes and no for bet 1 and bet 2

06:02:52 TestingUnoDosTre: bet 1 ends 4 months from now

06:02:57 TestingUnoDosTre: bet 2 ends 8 months from now

06:03:41 TestingUnoDosTre: what rate should I pursue (I realize I don't have a control in it), for the two returns to be "equal"

06:03:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.03999973 = 0.32 BTC [+] {8}

06:04:11 TestingUnoDosTre: if it were in dollars

06:04:17 BingoBoingo: .5 on each side is probably a poor mix.

06:04:33 benkay: you can't guarantee a rate anyways, TestingUnoDosTre

06:04:35 TestingUnoDosTre: it's a thought experiment for jah's sake

06:04:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.03067661 = 0.1841 BTC [+] {3}

06:04:44 TestingUnoDosTre: my point is this

06:04:46 TestingUnoDosTre: in USD

06:05:11 TestingUnoDosTre: if bet 2 had a return of 10%

06:05:29 TestingUnoDosTre: what would the return be for bet 1 to be equal to bet 2

06:05:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.03070893 = 0.6142 BTC [+] {12}

06:05:48 TestingUnoDosTre: the answer is, slightly less than 5%

06:06:38 TestingUnoDosTre: because you could (theoretically again), place another bet down, hoping for that same 4 month return, and you would equal the bet 2 return of 10%

06:06:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03128571 = 0.219 BTC [+] {4}

06:07:20 TestingUnoDosTre: I'm not saying you would for sure win these bets. I'm asking, if you did win these bets, what would be the answer for a BTC scenario

06:07:32 BingoBoingo: Honestly given the type of site BitBet is, I would be more concerned with trying to win the bets outright instead of chasing a fixed return.

06:07:52 TestingUnoDosTre: bitbet is not really the point

06:08:12 TestingUnoDosTre: it's really any investment vehicle, denominated in BTC

06:08:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 17 @ 0.03202939 = 0.5445 BTC [+] {8}

06:08:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.03371137 = 0.2023 BTC [-] {3}

06:08:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3885 BTC [-] {3}

06:08:57 TestingUnoDosTre: For instance, if you were going to loan out 1 btc today to two people, one is going to pay you back in 4 months, the second in 8 months

06:09:37 TestingUnoDosTre: does anyone here catch a whiff of what I'm smoking?

06:09:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 13 @ 0.0331923 = 0.4315 BTC [+] {7}

06:09:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0337105 = 0.1011 BTC [-]

06:09:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.06474168 = 0.1942 BTC [-]

06:09:59 BingoBoingo: TestingUnoDosTre: Sure

06:10:32 BingoBoingo: Just as soon as you disconnected returns over time from parimutuel betting.

06:10:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 18 @ 0.03399998 = 0.612 BTC [+] {8}

06:10:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0337105 = 0.1011 BTC [-] {2}

06:10:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.06474168 = 0.1942 BTC [-] {2}

06:11:08 TestingUnoDosTre: do you have an answer for me?

06:11:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 22 @ 0.03512634 = 0.7728 BTC [+] {7}

06:12:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 30 @ 0.03543999 = 1.0632 BTC [+] {8}

06:12:56 BingoBoingo: Not really.

06:13:40 benkay: so you get n% per month

06:13:51 benkay: you get 4n% for gamble a

06:13:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0399999 = 0.16 BTC [+] {2}

06:13:55 benkay: 8n for b

06:14:19 benkay: nope. don't get it.

06:14:26 TestingUnoDosTre: i like where you're going

06:14:31 TestingUnoDosTre: but here's the thing

06:14:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7 @ 0.06474168 = 0.4532 BTC [-] {4}

06:14:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0310062 = 0.155 BTC [-] {3}

06:14:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 14 @ 0.04006201 = 0.5609 BTC [+] {8}

06:15:13 TestingUnoDosTre: if I could sustain any positive % earnings in BTC / unit of time, my wealth would be skyrocketing in some years time

06:15:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 23 @ 0.04033376 = 0.9277 BTC [+] {11}

06:15:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.02910139 = 0.1455 BTC [-] {4}

06:15:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-] {4}

06:15:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.000974 = 20.6488 BTC [+] {4}

06:16:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0290834 = 0.1745 BTC [-] {4}

06:16:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 17 @ 0.04086564 = 0.6947 BTC [+] {8}

06:16:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3885 BTC [-] {4}

06:17:01 TestingUnoDosTre: anyways, I must ponder this over a nights rest

06:17:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 12 @ 0.04098148 = 0.4918 BTC [+] {6}

06:18:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 27 @ 0.04098799 = 1.1067 BTC [+] {8}

06:18:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.06474168 = 0.1295 BTC [-]

06:19:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.040988 = 0.123 BTC [+] {3}

06:20:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.03543672 = 0.4252 BTC [+] {5}

06:22:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 32 @ 0.03543999 = 1.1341 BTC [+] {6}

06:23:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 21 @ 0.03574808 = 0.7507 BTC [+] {12}

06:23:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.03365846 = 0.2693 BTC [-] {6}

06:23:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 8 @ 0.06474168 = 0.5179 BTC [-] {6}

06:24:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 33 @ 0.03596938 = 1.187 BTC [+] {8}

06:24:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0335 = 0.1005 BTC [-] {2}

06:24:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.06474168 = 0.1942 BTC [-] {2}

06:25:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.04098481 = 0.2459 BTC [+] {3}

06:26:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 48 @ 0.04098944 = 1.9675 BTC [+] {9}

06:27:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 24 @ 0.04101997 = 0.9845 BTC [+] {10}

06:27:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0285509 = 0.1428 BTC [-] {5}

06:27:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-] {5}

06:28:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 20 @ 0.0421571 = 0.8431 BTC [+] {8}

06:28:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.02852509 = 0.2853 BTC [-] {4}

06:28:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7 @ 0.06474168 = 0.4532 BTC [-] {3}

06:29:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.04146274 = 0.1659 BTC [-] {2}

06:29:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.06474168 = 0.1942 BTC [-]

06:33:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4969999 BTC [+]

06:35:29 BingoBoingo: https://blog.conformal.com/btcd-getwork-cgminer-profit/

06:35:32 ozbot: Btcd + getwork + cgminer = profit | Conformal Systems, LLC.

06:36:21 benkay: hurrah for conformal

06:47:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.07050001 = 0.282 BTC [-]

06:56:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.48983333 = 1.4695 BTC [-] {2}

07:02:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.073 = 0.73 BTC [-]

07:07:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18400 @ 0.00097022 = 17.852 BTC [-]

07:11:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.073 = 1.022 BTC [-]

07:17:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 45 @ 0.07013423 = 3.156 BTC [-] {9}

08:14:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 80 @ 0.06909641 = 5.5277 BTC [-] {6}

08:28:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04278899 = 0.1284 BTC [+] {3}

08:28:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.06474168 = 0.1942 BTC [-] {3}

08:28:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07318999 = 0.1464 BTC [+]

08:33:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 42 @ 0.06474168 = 2.7192 BTC [-]

08:51:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8095 @ 0.00097158 = 7.8649 BTC [-]

08:59:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.06914674 = 1.3829 BTC [-] {4}

09:00:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 21 @ 0.06853236 = 1.4392 BTC [-] {4}

09:30:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.48999 BTC [+]

09:48:22 fluffypony: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iYT8eg1F8s

09:48:22 ozbot: The dune buggy that can fly - YouTube

09:48:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.00097433 = 18.6097 BTC [+] {3}

09:48:23 fluffypony: want.

10:14:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7658 @ 0.00097371 = 7.4567 BTC [-]

10:16:49 kakobrekla: mornin

10:28:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.031 = 0.248 BTC [-] {2}

10:28:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.03450968 = 0.2761 BTC [-] {2}

10:28:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 8 @ 0.06474168 = 0.5179 BTC [-] {2}

10:29:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.06474168 = 0.1295 BTC [-]

10:33:50 fluffypony: kakobrekla: mornings

10:34:07 kakobrekla: how is it

10:37:08 fluffypony: good

10:39:12 kakobrekla: !up julles

10:39:12 assbot: Voicing julles for 30 minutes.

10:39:24 kakobrekla: !up TestNaut3

10:39:24 assbot: Voicing TestNaut3 for 30 minutes.

10:39:37 kakobrekla: !up Sorcier_FXK

10:39:37 assbot: Voicing Sorcier_FXK for 30 minutes.

10:53:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5854 @ 0.00097123 = 5.6856 BTC [-]

10:55:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28831 @ 0.00096961 = 27.9548 BTC [-] {3}

11:03:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC

11:06:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 439 @ 0.000969 = 0.4254 BTC [-]

11:09:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.06761351 = 0.2028 BTC [-]

11:10:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.03299069 = 0.2969 BTC [+] {6}

11:10:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.03487551 = 0.279 BTC [-] {5}

11:10:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 8 @ 0.06474168 = 0.5179 BTC [-] {5}

11:11:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03299081 = 0.2309 BTC [+] {3}

11:11:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.03322581 = 0.2326 BTC [-] {3}

11:11:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7 @ 0.06474168 = 0.4532 BTC [-] {3}

11:16:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]

11:17:34 mircea_popescu: lol look what i've found

11:17:35 mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/roba-da-ricchi/

11:17:35 ozbot: Roba da ricchi pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

11:18:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18538 @ 0.00096933 = 17.9694 BTC [+] {2}

11:20:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13609 @ 0.00096868 = 13.1828 BTC [-]

11:27:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 47 @ 0.005995 = 0.2818 BTC [+]

11:30:25 mircea_popescu: ;;rated artifexd

11:30:25 gribble: You have not yet rated user artifexd

11:30:41 mircea_popescu: ;;rate artifexd 1 Best story of a nick I ever heard.

11:30:42 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user artifexd has been recorded.

11:32:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.06474168 = 0.6474 BTC [-]

11:38:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49 BTC [+]

11:48:39 jurov: hi mircea_popescu, deposits pls

11:52:06 jurov: !up ReturnOfTheOp if you insist...

11:52:06 assbot: Voicing ReturnOfTheOp for 30 minutes.

11:52:24 jurov: !up sunshyne

11:52:24 assbot: Voicing sunshyne for 30 minutes.

11:52:28 jurov: !up CheckDavid

11:52:28 assbot: Voicing CheckDavid for 30 minutes.

11:56:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12960 @ 0.0009732 = 12.6127 BTC [+] {2}

11:57:03 mircea_popescu: jurov on it.

12:07:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4899 BTC [-]

12:07:58 mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/the-idea-for-a-great-film/

12:07:59 ozbot: The idea for a great film… pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

12:08:06 mircea_popescu: if anyone fancies himself a screenplay writer.

12:10:20 CheckDavid: Hey jurov thanks

12:10:36 CheckDavid: I have nothing to say though

12:10:40 CheckDavid: Lol

12:11:34 mircea_popescu: lol

12:13:07 fluffypony: Naphex:)

12:14:06 CheckDavid: Like there can’t be a larger binary digit than 1

12:14:15 CheckDavid: Does it translate to

12:14:36 CheckDavid: Higher decimal digit than 9 ?

12:15:25 mircea_popescu: yea

12:15:28 jurov: !up Naphex assbot got resstarted

12:15:28 assbot: Voicing Naphex for 30 minutes.

12:15:31 ThickAsThieves: i propose a different ending for the movie mp

12:15:32 mircea_popescu: !up VanCleef

12:15:32 assbot: Voicing VanCleef for 30 minutes.

12:15:33 Naphex: ;;ident

12:15:34 gribble: Nick 'Naphex', with hostmask 'Naphex!~naphex@btcxchange.ro', is identified as user 'Naphex', with GPG key id 64CDBADCE1E0BBAF, key fingerprint F3D76A985F5844814A93F46364CDBADCE1E0BBAF, and bitcoin address 12mVDqdWqFY6zrCqNqgHbxhDPB4ZVUuaTu

12:15:37 VanCleef: thanks

12:15:38 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves which ?

12:15:38 Naphex: i just got ident'd :p

12:15:39 ThickAsThieves: as it strikes me as imbalanced

12:15:46 VanCleef: yeh just reading the movie idea

12:15:51 Naphex: damn server splits

12:15:54 CheckDavid: That's some expensive vocabulary

12:16:03 CheckDavid: When I talk like that my friends

12:16:07 CheckDavid: Almost kill me

12:16:07 VanCleef: i think it would make a good tv show

12:16:15 CheckDavid: Like I am overcomplicated

12:16:29 mircea_popescu: tv show ?!

12:16:42 ThickAsThieves: the ending is the barbarian's own advisor, proposing and convincing him of his first laws of order (hinting at an eventual recreation of the original empire the movie started with)

12:16:52 mircea_popescu: but it has an event. how many episodes before, and how many after ? either way it's... two tv shows

12:17:02 CheckDavid: mircea_popescu: could I voice VanCleef in case he were not already voiced?

12:17:10 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves nah. that's imbalanced. it proposes the idiocy is somehow okay.

12:17:17 mircea_popescu: CheckDavid but he is.

12:17:24 ThickAsThieves: no it proposes the order and chaos are cyclical

12:17:43 CheckDavid: Come on.

12:17:50 VanCleef: what's your set piece?

12:17:53 CheckDavid: Just tell me. Don't troll

12:18:06 mircea_popescu: VanCleef set piece ?

12:18:11 ThickAsThieves: (because they are)

12:18:28 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i guess it does that. and yes they are. but it ain't the political statement i wish to make :)

12:18:36 mircea_popescu: art is, after all, politics.

12:18:44 ThickAsThieves: it's the political statement i wish to make

12:18:54 CheckDavid: Ok I will test myself if you don't want to answer

12:19:01 ThickAsThieves: that your statement is no more "right" than the other

12:19:06 mircea_popescu: http://imgur.com/a/C2mhE < also

12:19:11 VanCleef: The term setpiece is often used more broadly to describe any important dramatic or comedic highpoint in a film or story, particularly those that provide some kind of dramatic payoff, resolution, or transition.

12:19:25 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves that's why you're in the marbles and i'm in the furs, because you actually believe that :D

12:19:48 ThickAsThieves: nah i'm just the delusionist

12:19:51 mircea_popescu: VanCleef indicated i nthe text by "This scene makes or breaks the whole film"

12:20:02 ThickAsThieves: i wear what suits you

12:20:04 ThickAsThieves: ;)

12:20:16 mircea_popescu: CheckDavid oh i see now what you meant.

12:20:18 VanCleef: yeah i was thinking that when i read it

12:20:21 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot CheckDavid

12:20:22 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user CheckDavid: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=CheckDavid | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=CheckDavid | Rated since: Fri Apr 11 12:52:24 2014

12:20:27 mircea_popescu: CheckDavid no, you could not.

12:20:35 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves lol

12:20:41 CheckDavid: Thanks mircea

12:21:00 CheckDavid: In Wisconsin, it is illegal to serve apple pie in public restaurants without cheese

12:21:01 CheckDavid: Lol

12:21:15 CheckDavid: Nice contraband opportunity

12:21:16 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves btw, if it makes you feel better : <chetty> your movie needs a sequel <mircea_popescu> well sure. <mircea_popescu> you wanna make money, always leave room for a sequel.

12:21:43 VanCleef: you could just pay someone to write the script

12:21:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.48999 BTC [+]

12:22:24 mircea_popescu: i could. but i prefer to give someone the chance to write the script.

12:22:40 mircea_popescu: the greatness of money, you get to make choices and have preferences.

12:22:54 mircea_popescu: whoa look at that shit, equal character count!

12:23:03 mircea_popescu: !up CheckDavid

12:23:03 assbot: Voicing CheckDavid for 30 minutes.

12:23:38 VanCleef: who would be your target audience for this film?

12:23:41 VanCleef: bitcoiners?

12:23:48 CheckDavid: I wonder if one can get government funds to research and develop crypto currencies

12:24:13 ThickAsThieves: ah poop, your comment section stripped the handles

12:24:20 jurov: CheckDavid: there are plenty of bachelor/master theses on it

12:24:23 mircea_popescu: VanCleef or people whoi like alma-tadema, or people who like to see men get fucked, or w/e

12:24:28 mircea_popescu: i don't write for audiences.

12:24:30 jurov: it's certain they will continue with it

12:25:01 mircea_popescu: CheckDavid if you had read the logs, there was even a cushy us govt job offered.

12:25:56 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves see now look what you've done!!1

12:26:00 mircea_popescu: it's anonymized

12:26:06 VanCleef: to be honest its a lil over my head, i hvave to read it a few times to fully understand it

12:27:17 VanCleef: i wanted to do a homage to 80's action films and do one about the most powerful groups of people that run the world today and they all work in this underground sex trade where they only use women as currency

12:27:52 mircea_popescu: ew.

12:28:16 mircea_popescu: why not have them fuck ductaped baby chickens, and use THAT as the currency.

12:28:23 VanCleef: lol

12:28:42 ThickAsThieves: i'm gonna make a post in MY blog about the new ending, cuz apparently it's all the rage these days, blogging on top of what mp says ;)

12:28:53 mircea_popescu: what, you have a blog ?

12:29:10 ThickAsThieves: dude your memory

12:29:12 mircea_popescu: dude get out, do you even footnote ?

12:29:20 ThickAsThieves: trolling?

12:29:22 ThickAsThieves: lol

12:29:23 mircea_popescu: (i had that typed out :D)

12:29:26 bounce: ducktaped chickens, bio-fleshlights? the sheer depravity. minus personpoints for you!

12:29:54 mircea_popescu: ty, ty.

12:30:09 mircea_popescu: no but i mean, if he's going for the outrage value, at least go all the way.

12:30:12 ThickAsThieves: i guess, in a way, my blog *is* your blog, since you sparked it

12:30:27 mircea_popescu: this is where i link that "all one" california soap nuttery

12:30:38 CheckDavid: mircea_popescu: offered here?

12:30:58 CheckDavid: Like a government official came here to offer it? Lol

12:31:05 mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/were-all-one/

12:31:06 ozbot: We’re all one pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

12:32:06 VanCleef: anywho yeh you should develop your story a bit more

12:32:20 mircea_popescu: that's the screenwriter's job.

12:32:30 mircea_popescu: i gave him some freedom implicit there, so his job doesn't suck

12:32:39 VanCleef: how much btc?

12:32:53 mircea_popescu: i dunno dood, i don't even run a studio. chances are, it'll never get made anyway

12:33:15 VanCleef: that's okey studios pay like 50k just to own scripts and keep them under their desk

12:33:34 VanCleef: then they pay you more if they decide to make the movie

12:33:50 mircea_popescu: did you ever get paid 50k + more ?

12:34:10 VanCleef: i only wrote one script but i deleted it recently

12:34:18 mircea_popescu: right. so how'd you know ?

12:34:31 VanCleef: that's how it works in hollywood

12:35:39 mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mj5IV23g-fE << here's the real story.

12:35:39 ozbot: Harlan Ellison -- Pay the Writer - YouTube

12:35:48 mircea_popescu: and ellison has had a few scripts optioned, so i guess he'd know.

12:36:07 mircea_popescu: (also that's pre-crisis. it was way better then)

12:36:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 51 @ 0.03242383 = 1.6536 BTC [+] {9}

12:36:12 bounce: 50k for 120 pages. hm. maybe worth a shot.

12:36:54 bounce: how to fill 120 pages worth of screenplay from irc logs? now there's a fiddy kay question.

12:37:07 mircea_popescu: bounce that's for believers. for engineers, it's 120 pages for a lottery ticket in an unauthorised lottery with an alleged cash prize of 50k (conditions apply)

12:37:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 19 @ 0.032477 = 0.6171 BTC [+] {10}

12:37:20 VanCleef: i'm not an asshole, pay me mircea :P

12:38:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.03309964 = 0.4965 BTC [+] {9}

12:38:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 7 @ 0.14 = 0.98 BTC

12:38:14 mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/wu3IRQW.jpg this isn't so bad. minus the plastic stench ;/

12:38:31 VanCleef: ellison is right

12:39:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.032806 = 0.164 BTC [-] {3}

12:39:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.03250021 = 0.13 BTC [-] {2}

12:39:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.06474168 = 0.259 BTC [-] {2}

12:39:35 mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/OGW3PJD.jpg << total fucking good law. i want this on my books.

12:39:38 mircea_popescu: none of that soggy bullshit.

12:40:29 VanCleef: anywho this voiced stuff sucks

12:40:41 VanCleef: athero or whatever his name was had good wot ratings

12:40:59 VanCleef: just kick people or mute them if you dont want them to talk

12:41:06 jurov: [13:57] <mircea_popescu> jurov on it << dun see it

12:41:16 VanCleef: alot of scammers were using wot and had good ratings

12:41:17 mircea_popescu: jurov lol gimme a second.

12:41:21 VanCleef: wot is a fail

12:41:33 mircea_popescu: VanCleef you need to read the logs. this was discussed to death.

12:41:51 VanCleef: cant we just go back to how it use to be?

12:41:53 VanCleef: it was alot better

12:42:39 mircea_popescu: !down VanCleef

12:48:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 19 @ 0.00558 = 0.106 BTC [-]

12:49:03 ThickAsThieves: http://devilsadvocate.biz/i-wear-what-suits-you/

12:49:04 ozbot: In the Spirit of the Devil’s Advocate, I Wear What Suits You

12:50:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1277 @ 0.000144 = 0.1839 BTC [-]

12:51:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1500 @ 0.00014378 = 0.2157 BTC [-]

12:51:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 180 @ 0.00556 = 1.0008 BTC [-]

12:55:59 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i like the coloring.

12:57:10 ThickAsThieves: hopefully you dont mind being blue :)

12:57:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 55 @ 0.06474168 = 3.5608 BTC [-]

12:57:48 mircea_popescu: blue boy... that's what they callleeeed meeee

12:58:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21000 @ 0.00097164 = 20.4044 BTC [-] {2}

12:59:45 mircea_popescu: !up CheckDavid

12:59:45 assbot: Voicing CheckDavid for 30 minutes.

12:59:55 CheckDavid: Blue?

13:00:26 CheckDavid: You guys means this?

13:00:33 CheckDavid: http://www.coinside.ru/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/IMG_0549-kopiya.jpg

13:00:51 CheckDavid: I don't get why they are so skinny though

13:00:56 ThickAsThieves: eww

13:01:06 ThickAsThieves: 2 of the girls are aliens

13:01:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.03243852 = 0.3244 BTC [-] {6}

13:02:23 ThickAsThieves: "This game is anticipated to be rate Mature" lol.

13:02:41 pankkake: mature as in milf?

13:02:54 mircea_popescu: no, mature as in heroin addict chicks.

13:03:03 mircea_popescu: what's with these people and body painting unhealthy looking women ?

13:03:07 ThickAsThieves: rated*

13:03:17 mircea_popescu: whoa. panties on ?! omfg the indignity

13:03:56 pankkake: that was a tentative joke. anyway, have to agree on the trend of linking to trilema on every blog post

13:04:38 ThickAsThieves: i was more digging at bitcoinpete, mp's #1 fan

13:04:50 mircea_popescu: well what are you gonna do, ban me ? DO NOT HATE ME BECAUSE I AM BEEEEAUTIFULH!

13:04:55 ThickAsThieves: lol

13:05:14 ThickAsThieves: i'm just jelly!

13:05:19 pankkake: BingoBoingo and benkay are good at the game too

13:05:53 pankkake: though I actually read your first post thanks to a trilema pingback, so, it werks

13:06:00 mircea_popescu: pankkake do you like analytix the fuck out of those blogs ?

13:06:04 mircea_popescu: link count and everything ?

13:06:11 ThickAsThieves: even when we break out of the channel and its impossible log, we create a web of cross-referenced blogs to further fuck with newcomers

13:06:23 pankkake: I'm susbscribed to trilema comments so I see the links, that's all

13:06:31 mircea_popescu: oh i see

13:06:44 mircea_popescu: wait, you can still be subscribed to comments ? like via email ?

13:06:48 pankkake: RSS

13:07:26 pankkake: but I rarely see this practice (linking to posts) nowadays, even though this probably gave the name to "blogosphere"

13:07:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0330001 = 0.165 BTC [+]

13:07:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]

13:08:02 pankkake: now it's all about CENTRALIZED platforms!

13:08:02 ThickAsThieves: because most bloggers have no friends

13:08:07 ThickAsThieves: not even internet ones

13:08:12 pankkake: I made friends by blogging!!

13:08:25 pankkake: GIRLS.

13:08:28 pankkake: well, girl

13:08:52 mircea_popescu: actually i link a lot.

13:09:00 ThickAsThieves: http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-foundation-vote-yields-no-new-board-members/

13:09:02 ThickAsThieves: lel

13:09:06 mircea_popescu: i love linking. and i still believe in the old concepts of the web, from back like 1999

13:09:19 mircea_popescu: pankkake is she here ?

13:09:24 pankkake: web2.0 also had "semantic web" but it never really existed :(

13:09:32 pankkake: we don't talk anymore unfortunately

13:09:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.03300005 = 0.33 BTC [-] {2}

13:09:59 mircea_popescu: "web 2.0" and all its associated bullshits lawl.

13:10:15 mircea_popescu: web 1.0 was and sitll is good enough. in the sense of way better than any walled garden bullshit.

13:10:38 pankkake: semantic web is all about urls and proper markup

13:10:40 ThickAsThieves: i saw someone use ethereum and the like as a Web 3.0 reference

13:10:43 ThickAsThieves: i almost died

13:10:46 pankkake: not 1MB of javascript

13:10:47 pankkake: lol

13:11:32 ThickAsThieves: maybe we'll just start calling generations that way instead of Generation X, it's Web 3.0!

13:11:37 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves im kinda curious how far the nonsense will go. specificaslly, if the comatose media-only "Web 2.0" will be forgotten and a new web 2.0 will be enacted, out of the same pressed shitboard,

13:11:49 mircea_popescu: or if they will take 2.0 as a thing that actually existed, and continue the count.

13:12:08 ThickAsThieves: i think itll get to 3.0 then go away

13:12:28 ThickAsThieves: 4.0 starts looking silly, even to idiots

13:12:38 ThickAsThieves: but i'm known for overestimating the idiot

13:12:53 mircea_popescu: you know knuth counted to pi.

13:13:05 ThickAsThieves: idiot

13:13:10 ThickAsThieves: :)

13:13:12 mircea_popescu: wait wut

13:13:13 mircea_popescu: lol

13:14:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 19 @ 0.06474168 = 1.2301 BTC [-]

13:15:03 ThickAsThieves: Brock Pierce, what a name

13:15:40 mircea_popescu: let me guess. yet another ex child actor turned bitcoin investiteur ?

13:15:57 ThickAsThieves: yep, Gyft

13:16:28 ThickAsThieves: and The Mighty Ducks

13:16:52 cazalla: for all of 10 seconds

13:17:16 ThickAsThieves: But the idea that underage boys were drugged and raped at the Encino estate, and sometimes threatened with guns by Collins-Rector, is hardly new. Egan was one of several young men to make such allegations in lawsuits filed against Collins-Rector, Shackley and Pierce 14 years ago -- court cases in which the plaintiffs won $4.5 million from Collins-Rector and Shackley by default because

13:17:16 ThickAsThieves: the trio had fled the country (Pierce reached a settlement).

13:17:53 mircea_popescu: lmao

13:18:04 mircea_popescu: so it'd be safe to say he was attracted to bitcoin by bruce wagner ?

13:18:14 ThickAsThieves: Pierce's most recent bio says he is co-founder of GoCoin, ExpressCoin, KnCMiner.cn and Robocoin Asia.

13:19:36 mircea_popescu: i wonder if asicminer has figured out yet that it can probably make a decent penny selling such "board seats"

13:19:44 ThickAsThieves: GoCoin, isnt that the one all the SeedCoinFund people are butthurt about "missing" out on?

13:19:55 mircea_popescu: to celebrities desperate for retroactive "involvement" who still are noobish enough to imagine this will allow them to bypass the wot.

13:20:13 ThickAsThieves: i think the asicminer board is in an ill state actually

13:20:27 ThickAsThieves: they won't remove me from their email list so i still see hints of it

13:20:46 ThickAsThieves: participation appears to be low

13:20:53 mircea_popescu: well that's not really new.

13:20:55 ThickAsThieves: dividends moving to monthly

13:20:58 ThickAsThieves: shit like that

13:21:47 ThickAsThieves: yeah that's true, when i was there 10 people might show up, but only 3 or 4 ever talked

13:21:51 mircea_popescu: lol. ah if only they had enough sense to do what told a while back.

13:22:07 ThickAsThieves: now it seems only 4 show up an hour late to nothing

13:23:41 ThickAsThieves: The US economy created 288,000 jobs in April, the strongest monthly job creation since January 2012.

13:24:06 ThickAsThieves: "The one thing I would be careful with though is the decline in the unemployment rate, the decline in the unemployment rate was a function of the labour force falling by 806,000, that is gargantuan decline," he added.

13:24:10 ThickAsThieves: dafuck

13:24:15 ThickAsThieves: lol

13:24:58 mircea_popescu: people leave, what.

13:25:09 mircea_popescu: you want to leave, everyone you know here wants to leave, what's so surprising ?

13:25:22 mircea_popescu: a lot have left, a lot more are leaving and a helluva lot more will be leaving.

13:26:01 ThickAsThieves: well part of my dafuckness is how they are all "It's a flat out good report. All of the metrics that you want to see improve, did," said Tom Porcelli

13:26:24 ThickAsThieves: but then are like, well a million people left, so there's that

13:26:39 ThickAsThieves: left/died?

13:27:28 mircea_popescu: well... the reports that were made to make you feel good are made in the way that we agreed will make you feel good.

13:27:36 mircea_popescu: so why dont you feel good ? are you perhaps insane ?

13:27:45 mircea_popescu: it seems to me like this is slow onset schizophrenia, mydear boy.

13:28:00 ThickAsThieves: am i a terrorist?

13:28:11 ThickAsThieves: maybe xanax can sort me out

13:29:13 ThickAsThieves: the picture in the bbc article for it is awesome too http://www.bbc.com/news/business-27257760

13:29:27 mircea_popescu: im kinda surprised nobody is selling slow-release xanax dildos yet.

13:29:32 ThickAsThieves: miserable dude in camo eating at the place he cleans shit

13:29:37 mircea_popescu: suckle your way to pleasant dreams

13:30:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.069 = 0.345 BTC [+]

13:55:55 mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2009/lectia-de-humor/ < i found an old english article! from 2009!

13:55:56 ozbot: Lectia de humor pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

13:58:44 asciilifeform: 'web 3.0' << 'i don't know what weapons ww3 will be fought with, but ww4 will be fought with bow and arrow'

13:59:42 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform course the flaw there is to assume people whose tech is bow and arrow have the means to fight a Ww.

13:59:52 asciilifeform: well sure.

14:00:05 asciilifeform: but they might call it one.

14:01:08 mircea_popescu: and they probably will

14:04:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4000 @ 0.00014728 = 0.5891 BTC [+]

14:13:56 mircea_popescu: !up stickie

14:13:56 assbot: Voicing stickie for 30 minutes.

14:16:23 asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/2014/the-idea-for-a-great-film/#comment-99493

14:16:23 ozbot: The idea for a great film… pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

14:19:42 mircea_popescu: answer't.

14:20:27 asciilifeform: lol!!!

14:20:30 asciilifeform: i like this one more.

14:21:11 mircea_popescu: see, the importance of community in one's life.

14:22:53 assbot: [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 25000 @ 0.00021725 = 5.4313 BTC [+]

14:24:32 artifexd: ;;later tell jurov Do you round deposits down to the nearest btc?

14:24:32 gribble: The operation succeeded.

14:27:29 mircea_popescu: jurov and whoever else was waiting : mpex deposits flushed.

14:38:01 mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/o-metoda-simpla-si-eficienta-de-a-produce-un-blog-excelent-pe-pasi/ <<< me on blogging. "simple and efficient way to produce an excellent blog, step by step"

14:38:01 ozbot: O metoda simpla si eficienta de-a produce un blog excelent, pe pasi. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea

14:40:45 pankkake: if only it was written in a simple and eficient language

14:41:22 mircea_popescu: yeah i should have it translated.

14:43:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 28 @ 0.07087485 = 1.9845 BTC [+] {2}

14:48:16 mircea_popescu: ტ wow look at that, mouse glyph

14:48:54 mircea_popescu: ბ << fucktarded apple mouse glyph

14:50:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.06903347 = 1.0355 BTC [-] {2}

14:51:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.0318 = 0.2862 BTC [+]

14:56:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00014328 = 0.2866 BTC [-]

14:57:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.033775 = 0.2702 BTC [+] {2}

14:57:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0691002 = 0.691 BTC [+]

15:02:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 163 @ 0.00443541 = 0.723 BTC [-] {3}

15:09:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.139999 BTC [-]

15:25:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 27 @ 0.0708904 = 1.914 BTC [+] {3}

15:28:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06910502 = 0.6911 BTC [-]

15:31:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07087721 = 0.2126 BTC [+]

15:33:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.00097237 = 14.2938 BTC [+]

15:34:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00097413 = 9.8387 BTC [+]

15:36:36 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ბ is a mouse? looks more like 'anarchist bomb'

15:37:22 asciilifeform: and ტ is - power switch. aka 'the any key.'

15:37:52 Apocalyptic: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: ბ is a mouse? // looks like an apple to me

15:38:12 asciilifeform: plum.

15:41:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00014696 = 0.2939 BTC [-]

15:55:16 mircea_popescu: well it's the eye of the beholder!

15:55:19 mircea_popescu: !up rgbiv

15:55:19 assbot: Voicing rgbiv for 30 minutes.

15:55:56 ThickAsThieves: fwiw those characters appear much different depending on font in use

15:57:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42750 @ 0.00097413 = 41.6441 BTC [+] {2}

15:58:09 mircea_popescu: hoiw are they in comic sans /

15:59:02 ThickAsThieves: http://www.coindesk.com/what-happens-inside-bitcoin-audit/

15:59:13 ThickAsThieves: “A lot of these things are difficult to verify or prove”

15:59:49 mircea_popescu: derpdesk ?

16:00:09 ThickAsThieves: coinhusk

16:00:22 mircea_popescu: "Valuable skills

16:00:22 mircea_popescu: So, who is Stefan Thomas, and why is he the person Powell called?

16:00:22 mircea_popescu: Thomas is Chief Technical Officer at Ripple Labs, a company that created its own payment protocol and prides itself on a transparent public ledger of transactions."

16:00:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.60318124 BTC to 8`283 shares, 31428 satoshi per share

16:00:39 mircea_popescu: how to be so wrong you have no idea of exactly how wrong you are : read coindesk.

16:00:40 mircea_popescu: and wired.

16:01:00 ThickAsThieves: i cant even understand how Ripple guy still gets play

16:01:12 ThickAsThieves: like no one *really* uses it right?

16:01:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 85.30121001 BTC to 80`673 shares, 105737 satoshi per share

16:01:37 ThickAsThieves: and looking back at last year's AMS conference, he was pretty quiet on the panels

16:03:59 mircea_popescu: anyway, 5k words and no mention of the actual point this all started from.

16:04:03 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/ann-kraken-com-exchange-now-open-with-usd-eur-btc-ltc-xrp-nmc-xdg.168224/page-57#msg4924847

16:04:05 ozbot: [ANN] KRAKEN.COM - Exchange Now Open with USD, EUR, BTC, LTC, XRP, NMC, XDG | Page 57 | Bitcointa.lk

16:04:09 mircea_popescu: for the people keeping score at home.

16:04:38 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/ann-kraken-com-exchange-now-open-with-usd-eur-btc-ltc-xrp-nmc-xdg.168224/page-57#post-4671068 even.

16:04:40 ozbot: [ANN] KRAKEN.COM - Exchange Now Open with USD, EUR, BTC, LTC, XRP, NMC, XDG | Page 57 | Bitcointa.lk

16:05:15 mircea_popescu: (dargo also quit, subsequently)

16:05:19 mircea_popescu: so that makes her 2 out of 2.

16:05:28 mircea_popescu: guess who's the expert in this story.

16:05:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07094178 = 0.4966 BTC [-]

16:05:50 kakobrekla: how did he quit, he is still providing support

16:06:08 mircea_popescu: last seen on the forum what, late feb ?

16:06:14 mircea_popescu: support is one thing.

16:06:57 kakobrekla: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/ann-kraken-com-exchange-now-open-with-usd-eur-btc-ltc-xrp-nmc-xdg.168224/page-93#post-6185968

16:06:58 ozbot: [ANN] KRAKEN.COM - Exchange Now Open with USD, EUR, BTC, LTC, XRP, NMC, XDG | Page 93 | Bitcointa.lk

16:07:05 kakobrekla: how about wednesday

16:07:26 mircea_popescu: hm

16:07:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0709736 = 0.4258 BTC [+] {3}

16:07:48 mircea_popescu: Dargo was last seen: Feb 27, 2014

16:07:51 mircea_popescu: whgat the fuck is this

16:08:20 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointa.lk/members/dargo.30215/ << what do you get there ?

16:08:21 ozbot: Dargo | Bitcointa.lk

16:08:53 mircea_popescu: Last Activity: Feb 27, 2014 Joined: Jul 8, 2011 is what i get

16:09:04 kakobrekla: dat thing doesnt work

16:09:05 kakobrekla: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=32856

16:09:06 ozbot: View the profile of Dargo

16:09:10 kakobrekla: Last Active: Today at 02:45:22 PM

16:09:20 mircea_popescu: omfg i've been bambozled.

16:09:26 artifexd: Bloomberg is using Kraken as the source? WTF? They had less than 10btc of volume in the last 24 hours. Talk about a fucked up signal.

16:09:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.071 = 0.142 BTC [+]

16:09:40 kakobrekla: yes but look at the logo

16:09:52 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell cevidad yo! there's some brokage in your forum. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-05-2014#655592

16:09:52 gribble: The operation succeeded.

16:10:15 mircea_popescu: artifexd you obviously don't have the "valuable skills" to understand these things :D

16:10:27 artifexd: Apparently....

16:10:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07118799 = 0.3559 BTC [+] {3}

16:10:44 ThickAsThieves: i think it's cevidad

16:10:47 Apocalyptic: <artifexd> Bloomberg is using Kraken as the source? WTF? << same reaction here

16:10:50 mircea_popescu: ;;seen cevidad

16:10:51 gribble: I have not seen cevidad.

16:10:55 mircea_popescu: ;;seen cedivad

16:10:55 gribble: cedivad was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 5 days, 2 hours, 43 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: <cedivad> i actually have one, but i never really wrote about hashfast, bitcointa.lk or any other of my web-related experiences (i manage some really huge websites)...

16:10:59 ThickAsThieves: oh

16:11:03 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves dyslexia!

16:11:04 ThickAsThieves: dylsexia ftk

16:11:07 ThickAsThieves: ftl

16:11:08 ThickAsThieves: lol

16:11:36 ThickAsThieves: you even beat me at self-deprecation

16:12:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.07193999 = 0.6475 BTC [+]

16:13:14 mircea_popescu: for the lol ? for the kelp ?

16:14:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07194 = 0.2878 BTC [+]

16:19:26 ThickAsThieves: for the loss

16:19:57 ThickAsThieves: for the kale

16:23:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07194 = 0.1439 BTC [+]

16:24:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07194 = 0.2158 BTC [+]

16:26:45 ThickAsThieves: haha, cleaning old stuff and found a business plan i did to open a record store, i was pretty young obv: "XXXX XXXX will help me with of retail store's responsibilities. He is an extremely trusted friend and works very well with people. I whole-heartedly feel he is my best and favorite choice for the position."

16:27:11 ThickAsThieves: I kicked him off the project shortly after, and we nearly came to blows as roommates not long after that. I never got past writing the plan, thankfully.

16:30:22 fluffypony: old business proposals make me cringe

16:33:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07013139 = 0.3507 BTC [-]

16:33:52 mircea_popescu: lol

16:33:58 mircea_popescu: you know i never wrote one ?

16:38:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0719399 = 0.1439 BTC [+]

16:39:41 fluffypony: I always enjoyed it as a way to cement my thoughts

16:42:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00014891 = 0.1489 BTC [+]

16:45:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.03199998 = 0.384 BTC [+]

16:46:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.032 = 0.128 BTC [+] {2}

16:47:07 fluffypony: https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1.0-9/p480x480/10260012_10152356519251069_6233155153590700494_n.jpg

16:47:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 21 @ 0.03280951 = 0.689 BTC [+] {5}

16:47:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.03349867 = 0.1675 BTC [-]

16:47:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]

16:47:19 fluffypony: caption: "rioters trying to convince the police to install vlc media player"

16:47:37 bitcoinpete: fluffypony: lol nice

16:47:52 bitcoinpete: http://www.vox.com/2014/4/30/5668588/illinois-connecticut-maryland-gallup-interstate-migration-rates

16:47:53 ozbot: Half of people living in Illinois and Connecticut want to get the hell out - Vox

16:48:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.06474168 = 0.6474 BTC [-]

16:48:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.03150035 = 0.4725 BTC [-] {3}

16:48:19 bitcoinpete: "Montanans, Hawaiians, and Mainers are least likely to say they'd want to leave, with fewer than one-quarter of those residents saying they'd move"

16:49:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 15 @ 0.0334972 = 0.5025 BTC [-] {3}

16:49:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]

16:54:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 393 @ 0.00552151 = 2.17 BTC [-] {11}

16:55:09 mircea_popescu: lol

16:55:27 mircea_popescu: fluffypony no, i meant as a kid. they do this "o write a business plan" many places.

16:55:43 fluffypony: oh lol

16:56:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0719399 = 0.2158 BTC [+] {2}

16:56:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.03349514 = 0.1675 BTC [-] {2}

16:57:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.0315336 = 0.473 BTC [+] {2}

16:57:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.06474168 = 0.6474 BTC [-] {2}

16:57:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07194 = 0.2158 BTC [+]

16:57:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.03349572 = 0.335 BTC [+]

17:02:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]

17:05:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.0730699 = 0.6576 BTC [+]

17:09:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.075 = 0.375 BTC [+] {2}

17:10:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [MS] 1000 @ 0.00135201 = 1.352 BTC [+] {2}

17:11:44 bitcoinpete: Now my posts are being translated:

17:11:46 bitcoinpete: http://t.co/x7ilwpgVmJ

17:12:14 bitcoinpete: effin' twitter links… http://elbitcoin.org/ciudadanos-de-bitcoinlandia/

17:12:24 Apocalyptic: nice bitcoinpete

17:13:01 bitcoinpete: Apocalyptic: hehe i'll take it

17:17:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.075 = 0.375 BTC [+]

17:20:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.0730699 = 1.1691 BTC [+]

17:25:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0733 = 0.2199 BTC [+]

17:30:48 bitcoinpete: http://marie-lynn.org/2014/04/27/trying-something-new/

17:30:49 ozbot: Trying something new. | Marie-Lynn Richard

17:31:06 bitcoinpete: "For a few months, I have been developing business relationships with people in Bitcoin. As with any of the communities I have joined and thrived in the past 25 years, I am paying my dues in Bitcoin by doing some volounteer work."

17:31:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07331 = 0.2199 BTC [+]

17:32:55 bitcoinpete: " So far my experience of Bitcoin has been rather sad. I received my first Bitcoin paycheck a few months ago and promptly lost 30% of it due to the dip. I was then almost unable to extract it from Vault of Satoshi because they stopped sending out checks. I was able to pay for my membership to Bitcoin Alliance and Bitcoin Foundation at least. "

17:33:38 bitcoinpete: more irlloling

17:33:56 pankkake: :(

17:34:58 fluffypony: why would she pay for memberships to the foundation?

17:35:12 bitcoinpete: pankkake: ya, her situation sounds crummy. i invited her here so maybe she can do something in the future

17:36:32 bitcoinpete: fluffypony: the poverty of altruism

17:36:51 fluffypony: !up MarieLynn

17:36:51 assbot: Voicing MarieLynn for 30 minutes.

17:37:02 fluffypony: MarieLynn: we've just been talking about you :)

17:37:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8843 @ 0.00096881 = 8.5672 BTC [-]

17:37:12 MarieLynn: uh ho!!

17:37:17 MarieLynn: Hi peeps!

17:37:41 bitcoinpete: MarieLynn: howdy!

17:37:46 fluffypony: so the "trying something new" post is the first post I've read on your blog

17:37:57 fluffypony: which is the case for mostly everyone here, I would imagine

17:38:03 fluffypony: can you give us a bit of background?

17:38:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07331 = 0.3666 BTC [+]

17:38:41 fluffypony: (also I had to Google aspie polymath and file that under today's new learning:)

17:39:02 pankkake: surprising. perhaps because I know too much aspie polymaths :|

17:39:36 pankkake: http://marie-lynn.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/do-all-the-things.jpg I think this is a good summary lol

17:39:47 fluffypony: lol

17:39:54 pankkake: (of the blog)

17:40:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00097097 = 10.6807 BTC [+] {2}

17:40:23 MarieLynn: I have been transparent about my life on the Internet for almost 24 years

17:40:55 MarieLynn: Now I am being transparent abotu how hard it is to get into bitcoin and stay housed!!

17:41:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1081 @ 0.0001436 = 0.1552 BTC [-]

17:41:09 fluffypony: lol

17:41:16 MarieLynn: I am a lonely basement hacker. I build websites and online businesses.

17:41:49 pankkake: do you mean earn a living with bitcoin?

17:41:50 MarieLynn: But my entire life is online, what do you want to know specifically?

17:42:19 fluffypony: MarieLynn: nothing specific, and thank you - that was very enlightening :)

17:42:27 kakobrekla: ;;gettrust MarieLynn

17:42:27 MarieLynn: I currently work for Charlie Shrem but we are done with the urgent stuff. I want to continue doing what I do but for cool bitcoin startup.

17:42:27 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user kakobrekla to user MarieLynn: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=kakobrekla&dest=MarieLynn | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=MarieLynn | Rated since: never

17:42:34 mod6: small typo: homoeless

17:43:14 bitcoinpete: MarieLynn: you should get in the wot http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/03/27/who-what-where-when-why-web-of-trust/

17:43:24 fluffypony: ^^^

17:43:35 MarieLynn: I am following the links ;)

17:43:44 pankkake: it's cheaper than the bitcoin foundation membership (free) and is actually useful :p

17:43:46 kakobrekla: you self promoting bastards; http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/wot_and_reputation

17:43:51 bitcoinpete: MarieLynn: and register your nick http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/03/31/biting-into-the-wot-elephant-and-irc-nicknames/

17:44:16 fluffypony: lol

17:44:26 pankkake: the wot allows us to to useful things like:

17:44:30 pankkake: ;;rate -1 bitcoinpete spammer

17:44:30 gribble: Error: 'bitcoinpete' is not a valid integer.

17:44:35 pankkake: ;;rate bitcoinpete -1 spammer

17:44:36 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user bitcoinpete has been recorded.

17:44:36 fluffypony: kakobrekla: somehow I don't think bitcoinpete is profiting off his blog ;)

17:44:39 pankkake: ;;unrate bitcoinpete

17:44:41 gribble: Successfully removed your rating for bitcoinpete.

17:44:46 bitcoinpete: pankkake: well played

17:44:54 bitcoinpete: kakobrekla: i get it!

17:44:57 bitcoinpete: lol

17:45:03 kakobrekla: im just busting balls mostly

17:45:30 bitcoinpete: fluffypony: not directly, of course

17:45:39 fluffypony: bitcoinpete: of course

17:45:53 MarieLynn: I am not a frequent user of IRC since 1997, sry

17:46:04 fluffypony: MarieLynn: also it seems you were spared by struggling to get verified on Cavirtex - http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1uc28f/tired_of_seeing_canadians_get_ripped_off_by/

17:46:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07346744 = 0.2204 BTC [+] {2}

17:46:46 pankkake: didn't they rip off their shareholders too?

17:47:11 bitcoinpete: pankkake: yup, they generally blow dead bears

17:47:13 BingoBoingo: CaVirtex just be ripping off everybody

17:47:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 17 @ 0.07199213 = 1.2239 BTC [-] {4}

17:47:41 pankkake: MarieLynn: oh so the French on the blog is because you're from Canada. Tabernacle !

17:48:09 MarieLynn: My boyfriend has a gun license and apparently that got him validated. I only have provincial health card with photo and passport and thats not good enough.é

17:48:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07345505 = 0.2938 BTC [+] {3}

17:48:17 fluffypony: between Apocalyptic, pankkake, davout, and now MarieLynn (and who knows who else) I feel at such a disadvantage for not speaking French

17:48:27 MarieLynn: I want a bitcoin ATM card else my hopes of a bitcoin life are limited.

17:48:38 pankkake: fluffypony: your only play is to learn romanian and crush us all

17:48:42 fluffypony: hah hah

17:48:55 fluffypony: I'm too busy learning German so I can gossip with my mother-in-law about my wife ;)

17:49:09 bitcoinpete: et moi aussi!

17:49:20 *: fluffypony adds bitcoinpete to the list

17:49:29 pankkake: le complot français

17:50:10 MarieLynn: Thanks for the CAVirtex thread I will rad carefully. But what are the issues other than ID verification woes?!

17:50:11 bitcoinpete: fluffypony: i did a few german lesson on duolingo, orangensaft!

17:50:34 MarieLynn: http://circonference.ca

17:50:44 MarieLynn: my blog about crypto, has an english podcast as well.

17:50:54 bitcoinpete: MarieLynn: ripping off "investors" on havelock, joseph david being a stooge...

17:51:44 MarieLynn: Thanks for the keywords bitcoinpete

17:52:15 pankkake: well if you want to buy or sell bitcoins, you can use bitcoin-otc http://bitcoin-otc.com/ - of course, you're dealing with users directly, so you have to be careful *who* your are dealing with

17:52:21 pankkake: http://qbc.io/ hahaha

17:52:38 fluffypony: MarieLynn: so since I live in South Africa I've also struggled with that - we only had 1 exchange (now 2) and their volumes are terrible. I can cash out from BitStamp to my bank account, but it is irritating. Two solutions I've found: 1. If it's bigger than $1k use BitPay. Sign up, get verified, and then invoice yourself when you need money paid out to your Ca bank account. 2. For smaller amounts, use person-to-person trading either on

17:52:38 fluffypony: Freenode in #bitcoin-otc (which also uses the WoT mentioned earlier) or on localbitcoins (you can arrange to meet people face-to-face, and lower your risk by not sending anything till you have cash-in-hand)

17:52:47 fluffypony: oh well pankkake already mentioned 2 :)

17:53:18 bitcoinpete: http://blogs.wsj.com/japanrealtime/2014/05/02/bitcoin-cafe-in-limbo-at-mt-gox-building/ <<almost too stupid for words

17:53:20 ozbot: Bitcoin Cafe in Limbo at Mt. Gox Building - Japan Real Time - WSJ

17:53:41 bitcoinpete: "According to people at the exchange, the 28-year-old Frenchman was slow to grasp Mt. Gox’s troubles. As recently as early February, he didn’t imagine most of the virtual currency possessed by Mt. Gox and its customers were gone, they say."

17:53:54 bitcoinpete: "Believing Mt. Gox’s troubles were manageable, Mr. Karpelès devoted much of his time to the bitcoin café"

17:54:23 bitcoinpete: and since when does karpelès have that accent in his name?

17:54:25 fluffypony: "It was to feature a rich menu of French quiches and coffee drinks"

17:54:55 pankkake: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Karpel%C3%A8s apparently scamming gets you on wikipedia

17:55:02 mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete poor woman

17:55:09 mircea_popescu: MarieLynn wait, that's you ?

17:55:40 mircea_popescu: <pankkake> surprising. perhaps because I know too much aspie polymaths :| << too many, frenchie. much is for french fries :D

17:55:45 pankkake: Mark or Karpelès aren't very French looking name

17:55:51 pankkake: right

17:55:52 bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: yup!

17:55:54 MarieLynn: mircea That's me what?

17:55:58 fluffypony: bitcoinpete: you mean his name isn't Ḱąȑṕệļễŝ? who knew.

17:56:14 MarieLynn: LOL fluffy

17:56:42 mircea_popescu: MarieLynn ok, so transparent about your life for 24 years ? gimme the highligts, how old are you, what do you do ?

17:56:58 mircea_popescu: !up trixisowned

17:56:58 assbot: Voicing trixisowned for 30 minutes.

17:57:21 BingoBoingo: Some old Taaki Derp: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3451.msg48961#msg48961

17:57:22 bitcoinpete: "I have 246 cos in my database of bitcoin-related businesses and I did not know about that group :) IRC is so vintage!" -MarieLynn <<246 cos, guaranteed none on mpex

17:57:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.03399999 = 0.102 BTC [+]

17:57:37 mircea_popescu: what's a cos, like cosplay ?

17:57:51 mircea_popescu: trixisowned soo... who owns ya ?

17:57:53 MarieLynn: I am 43, I have been developing for the Web since 1994

17:58:00 mircea_popescu: wait.

17:58:03 mircea_popescu: marie lynn who ?

17:58:15 MarieLynn: Google 'Marie-Lynn Richard'

17:58:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5748 @ 0.00096945 = 5.5724 BTC [-]

17:59:01 bitcoinpete: ;;google marie lynn richard

17:59:02 gribble: Marie-Lynn Richard | Social Media & Web Technologist ...: http://marie-lynn.org/; Marie-Lynn Richard (mlrichard) on Twitter: https://twitter.com/mlrichard; Marie-Lynn Richard - Canada | LinkedIn: http://ca.linkedin.com/in/marielynnrichard

17:59:04 mircea_popescu: o hey.

17:59:24 pankkake: "I'm thinking the program would upload the GPG private key in case you ever lost it" that? lol

17:59:27 mircea_popescu: what's a "Nillionaire" ?

17:59:38 pankkake: Nil-lionnaire

18:00:18 fluffypony: pankkake: "If not found then popup dialog asking for username/password & download GPG private key"

18:00:20 fluffypony: ah ok

18:00:39 fluffypony: so your GPG private key, the essence of securing your identity with GPG, is protected behind a mere username and password

18:00:45 fluffypony: sekuriteez

18:00:50 mircea_popescu: MarieLynn aite, well, welcome.

18:01:11 fluffypony: BingoBoingo: did he go on to create Keybase.io?

18:01:14 fluffypony: :-P

18:01:26 mircea_popescu: you probably want to brew a gallon of coffees and go through the logs. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com

18:02:06 fluffypony: gin and tonic time

18:02:14 mike_c: or brew one cup and go through http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/

18:02:24 bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: maybe disney can make your movie happen: http://www.theonion.com/articles/disney-ceo-figures-theyve-built-up-enough-goodwill,35874/

18:02:25 MarieLynn: ;;gpg eregister MarieLynn 8DD69C90

18:02:25 gribble: Error: '8DD69C90' is not a valid GPG key id. Please use the long form 16 digit key id.

18:03:07 mircea_popescu: <fluffypony> between Apocalyptic, pankkake, davout, and now MarieLynn (and who knows who else) I feel at such a disadvantage for not speaking French << nubbins.

18:03:20 MarieLynn: Thanks guys!

18:03:58 bitcoinpete: MarieLynn: don't mention it!

18:04:14 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: so when are we renaming the room #bitcoin-ásséts ?

18:04:43 pankkake: speaking of passwords, I'm slowly moving towards requiring more than a password everywhere to access my data

18:04:44 fluffypony: or #le-bitcoin-ásséts

18:04:45 Apocalyptic: sounds hungarian to me

18:05:07 Apocalyptic: (french don't have ? )

18:05:08 BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Probably around 1750 or so

18:05:16 MarieLynn: I want to join the WOT but I cannot find my long form id, it's in the friggin UBUNTU key server.

18:05:55 mircea_popescu: fluffypony i hate accents and shit. i write romanian without too

18:06:06 pankkake: MarieLynn: gpg -k --keyid-format=long (if you use the CLI)

18:06:15 mircea_popescu: ^

18:06:34 MarieLynn: ;;gpg eregister MarieLynn 59748D208DD69C90

18:06:38 gribble: Request successful for user MarieLynn, hostmask MarieLynn!4a74bfc2@gateway/web/freenode/ip. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/59748D208DD69C90

18:06:45 MarieLynn: hey, it didn't complain :)

18:06:48 mircea_popescu: gpg --list-keys --fingerprint does the samer thing

18:07:10 fluffypony: Apocalyptic: it was une petit blague

18:07:24 MarieLynn: So are you guys here all the time? 24/7

18:07:39 fluffypony: !up MarieLynn

18:07:39 assbot: Voicing MarieLynn for 30 minutes.

18:07:48 pankkake: depends. logs are available by the way: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/

18:07:54 mircea_popescu: petite

18:08:02 fluffypony: gd

18:08:04 fluffypony: petite

18:08:15 MarieLynn: what does voicing mean? (remember no irc since 1997 here...)

18:08:23 mircea_popescu: !down MarieLynn

18:08:27 mircea_popescu: now you can't talk see ?

18:08:34 mircea_popescu: !up MarieLynn

18:08:34 assbot: Voicing MarieLynn for 30 minutes.

18:08:53 MarieLynn: sdds

18:08:53 pankkake: if the channel has the +m mode, only +v users can talk. otherwise, it's just vanity

18:09:07 MarieLynn: alrighty then :)

18:09:13 mircea_popescu: so basically MarieLynn is moiety in 20 years ? :D

18:09:33 MarieLynn: moiety?

18:09:37 fluffypony: "Mr. Karpelès purchased a $35,000 Backen pastry oven and a $23,000 La Marzocco coffee machine, say the people involved in the project. He also hired an independent pastry consultant and put a Tibanne employee full-time on the café project."

18:09:42 fluffypony: lawlicious

18:09:58 mircea_popescu: lol

18:09:59 kakobrekla: this is a joke right?

18:10:04 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla nah.

18:10:23 fluffypony: kakobrekla: how else do you start a Bitcoin café without a pastry consultant?

18:10:24 mircea_popescu: MarieLynn there's a chick here, by that name. she's in her 20s, tries to run online communities and also likes cats.

18:10:40 kakobrekla: fluffypony you got me there.

18:11:00 mircea_popescu: fluffypony no macarons tho. very scam, this french.

18:11:02 pankkake: ;;rate MarieLynn 1 http://marie-lynn.org/

18:11:03 gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.

18:11:08 fluffypony: lol

18:11:19 pankkake: MarieLynn: you're missing the last step, decrypting the OTP, I guess

18:11:40 MarieLynn: Well awesome for her. When I was 20 I had to compase the facebook and photocopy it and send it through the regular mail :)

18:12:25 fluffypony: ;;ud compase

18:12:25 gribble: Google found nothing.

18:12:32 *: fluffypony breathes a sight of relief

18:12:47 pankkake: compile?

18:12:54 fluffypony: compose?

18:13:00 kakobrekla: compass

18:13:09 fluffypony: comp ass

18:13:20 mircea_popescu: http://marie-lynn.org/blog/page/31/ < check it out, 1990s blog posts

18:13:20 ozbot: Marie-Lynn Richard | Social Media & Web Technologist / Entrepreneur / Mom / Crafty Bitch

18:13:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.07178681 = 1.0768 BTC [-] {4}

18:14:06 mircea_popescu: http://marie-lynn.org/1992/03/01/temps-libres/ lol.

18:14:07 ozbot: Magazine Temps Libres | Marie-Lynn Richard

18:14:33 MarieLynn: These are entries from my project files :) I just imported those they are not yet correctly formatted.

18:14:33 mircea_popescu: "you love exploring the world but you got no money. what do you do ?"

18:14:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07182659 = 0.5028 BTC [+]

18:14:47 mircea_popescu: you'd expect "suck a mean cock", but no. "go to a museum"

18:15:27 MarieLynn: http://marie-lynn.org/2013/09/14/behind-the-scenes-of-the-original-face-book/

18:15:27 ozbot: Behind the Scenes of the Original Face Book | Marie-Lynn Richard

18:15:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07100033 = 0.213 BTC [-] {2}

18:15:43 MarieLynn: Ozbot we are soulmates I guess

18:16:11 mircea_popescu: it's a bot, it reads the title.

18:16:12 fluffypony: or just put in your Encarta 1995 CD and browse

18:16:37 MarieLynn: LOL

18:16:39 mircea_popescu: "What does a girls do when guys online keep asking for her photo?"

18:16:41 mircea_popescu: drops the s ?

18:19:14 MarieLynn: ;;gpg eauth MarieLynn

18:19:14 gribble: Error: This nick is not registered. Please register.

18:19:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.03349723 = 0.1675 BTC [-] {4}

18:20:15 mircea_popescu: MarieLynn you have to register it with nickserv.

18:20:27 kakobrekla: he means gribble

18:20:35 pankkake: MarieLynn: you have to decrypt the OTP link it gave you earlier. http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/59748D208DD69C90

18:20:35 mircea_popescu: wait, she did that no ?

18:20:43 mircea_popescu: oh nm me.

18:21:17 mircea_popescu: well ok, off to show the girls caligula. laters.

18:21:47 MarieLynn: ;;gpg everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:a1338dc312fcbfa6cddc12fd4ccd03a73196ac87572155292907c7c8

18:21:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07343379 = 0.1469 BTC [+] {2}

18:21:49 gribble: Registration successful. You are now authenticated for user MarieLynn with key 59748D208DD69C90

18:21:58 pankkake: ;;rate MarieLynn 1 http://marie-lynn.org/

18:21:59 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user MarieLynn has been recorded.

18:22:20 MarieLynn: I used to compose/compile the facebook by hand and send it through snail mail

18:22:42 Apocalyptic: MarieLynn, everytime i read your nick it reminds me of Merrill Lynch

18:22:54 MarieLynn: Okay, I made my way through this WOT thingy !

18:22:56 pankkake: you should sue Mark Zuckerberg

18:22:57 kakobrekla: you are able to voice yourself now btw, by typing !up to assbot private chat, MarieLynn .

18:23:10 MarieLynn: Thanks pankkake

18:23:33 MarieLynn: I invented SEO too, just so we are on the same page LOL

18:23:42 ThickAsThieves: MarieLynn your blog lacks an Altcoin logo

18:23:59 MarieLynn: What do you mean, there are like 8 on the front page

18:24:04 ThickAsThieves: www.therealaltocin.org

18:24:06 MarieLynn: I am launching my own altcoin soon BTW

18:24:07 ThickAsThieves: oops

18:24:13 pankkake: no, Altcoin, the altcoin

18:24:17 pankkake: :)

18:24:17 ThickAsThieves: www.therealaltcoin.org

18:24:44 ThickAsThieves: it's goal is to make all altcoins useless

18:24:56 MarieLynn: TaT, I will add it to my database. There are almost 700 coins in my friggin database.

18:24:57 ThickAsThieves: so everyone can focus on one altcoin, Altcoin

18:25:00 MarieLynn: Too many coins!

18:25:09 pankkake: hence Altcoin

18:25:33 ThickAsThieves: yeah you can get rid of the other Altcoins probly, would be much cleaner!

18:25:34 MarieLynn: I will look at it seriously promise. It's my self-imposed job to figure out all this

18:25:55 ThickAsThieves: you might enjoy the linked thread and other services on the home page

18:26:07 ThickAsThieves: no pre-mine!

18:26:09 ThickAsThieves: etc

18:26:14 MarieLynn: Well... There are useful alt coins or coins that have a very specific niche, I believe in those but the coingen copy paste alt coins is like vomit

18:26:23 ThickAsThieves: lol

18:26:43 kakobrekla: you guys are worse than traveling agents

18:26:50 kakobrekla: imma bbl.

18:27:07 MarieLynn: Our coin is going to be so unique, I am not even sure exchanges will touch it with a ten foot pole... Will be interesting

18:27:21 ThickAsThieves: well it's kinda hard to introduce ATC to someone

18:27:23 pankkake: I made a coin that no exchange touched

18:27:36 ThickAsThieves: and an investment fund no one invested in

18:27:37 fluffypony: PankkakeKoin?

18:27:38 MarieLynn: which one was it

18:28:05 pankkake: Bernankoin. they didn't touch it for good reason, it simply cannot have a non-decreasing value

18:28:18 MarieLynn: I am sure there are applications for our concept coin but so far it's just a surrealist coin R&D experiment.

18:28:35 fluffypony: someone should fork TimeKoin

18:28:37 MarieLynn: LOL great concept

18:28:46 MarieLynn: What does TimeKoin do?

18:29:10 fluffypony: MarieLynn: it's written in PHP

18:29:10 ThickAsThieves: waste time?

18:29:14 fluffypony: that should tell you everything you need to know

18:29:24 MarieLynn: hahaha!

18:30:28 MarieLynn: Do any of you want to co-found a 100% new coin concept? It's going to be super fun. Right now we need a crypto-educated developer (wallets) but the rest we have already written.

18:30:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0734422 = 0.3672 BTC [-]

18:31:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 76 @ 0.00599335 = 0.4555 BTC [+] {3}

18:31:49 ThickAsThieves: 1 altcoin is already stretching the attention span

18:32:29 fluffypony: MarieLynn: unfortunately I'm a poor C developer

18:32:57 fluffypony: I'm much better at being an A to all the Ds on the forum

18:33:44 MarieLynn: Wouldn't that put you above the average alt coin developer Fluffy? :)

18:33:54 pankkake: eheh

18:34:23 fluffypony: lol

18:34:36 pankkake: I learned truly nothing by altcoining. My code even made GCC emit warnings and I didn't care

18:34:44 MarieLynn: Is this a 24/7 thing or do you have mneetup times?

18:34:57 fluffypony: 24/7

18:35:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.0319999 = 0.224 BTC [+]

18:35:03 fluffypony: but we're all on different timezones

18:35:13 pankkake: it's 24/7, but you can get a reply hours later. it's generally as everywhere on IRC

18:35:15 fluffypony: so it waxes and wanes

18:35:32 fluffypony: which is why everyone checks the logs - http://log.bitcoin-assets.com

18:36:45 MarieLynn: Tx

18:37:49 pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=462370.2720 is getting interesting. there are still some strongly delusional people, but some others are actually considering doing SOMETHING (next page)

18:37:51 ozbot: [ActiveMining] Official Shareholder Discussion Thread [Moderated]

18:39:09 pankkake: if the second ones get something out of the company, even at the expense of the firsts, I'd be happy

18:39:42 pankkake: and by expense I mean that when the first ones sue, there will be nothing left, not that they would have gotten anything by playing nice

18:39:57 fluffypony: ;;gettrust assbot MarieLynn

18:39:57 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask MarieLynn!4a74bfc2@gateway/web/freenode/ip. Trust relationship from user assbot to user MarieLynn: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=MarieLynn | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=MarieLynn | Rated since: Fri May 2 14:21:45 2014

18:40:11 fluffypony: MarieLynn: if you want to up yourself you can just message !up to assbot

18:41:04 fluffypony: pankkake: what's this 4 year investigation thing? playing catch up

18:41:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00096945 = 7.6587 BTC [-]

18:42:58 pankkake: Missouri Securities Division sending the issuer a letter. not much more is known

18:43:07 fluffypony: interesting

18:49:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13063 @ 0.00096945 = 12.6639 BTC [-]

18:52:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.07230675 = 0.6508 BTC [-] {3}

18:54:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0721101 = 0.4327 BTC [-]

18:55:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07344248 = 0.1469 BTC [+]

18:57:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07155505 = 0.2862 BTC [-] {2}

18:59:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 10000 @ 0.00001261 = 0.1261 BTC [-] {2}

19:01:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.0009685 = 9.3945 BTC [-] {2}

19:08:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0733999 = 0.2936 BTC [+]

19:11:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18450 @ 0.00097337 = 17.9587 BTC [+] {3}

19:13:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53200 @ 0.00096758 = 51.4753 BTC [-] {4}

19:15:34 MarieLynn: I am back

19:15:44 MarieLynn: Tx Fluffy

19:16:48 fluffypony: no problemo

19:24:39 thestringpuller: A female in #bitcoin-assets

19:24:45 thestringpuller: i'm sure mircea_popescu will be pleased

19:25:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07346722 = 0.2939 BTC [+]

19:26:09 thestringpuller: !jd MPIF

19:26:09 assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 163.71643613 BTC

19:27:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.07346722 = 0.8816 BTC [+]

19:29:49 pankkake: I'd think b-a has a higher female ratio than most bitcoin channels

19:30:54 mircea_popescu: ;;rate MarieLynn 1 she's been failing at succeeding for decades now. that takes mettle.

19:30:55 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user MarieLynn has been recorded.

19:31:36 kakobrekla: pankkake most = any

19:32:18 kakobrekla: prolly same goes for mps conf, but that is saved cause of the low attendance count overall :D

19:32:28 mircea_popescu: <fluffypony> MarieLynn: unfortunately I'm a poor C developer << how da heck are you poor now.

19:32:30 thestringpuller: LOL

19:32:38 fluffypony: hah

19:32:51 thestringpuller: fluffypony can't get credit at < 20%

19:32:58 fluffypony: poor: "of a low or inferior standard or quality."

19:33:13 mircea_popescu: <pankkake> if the second ones get something out of the company, even at the expense of the firsts, I'd be happy << need a company first.

19:33:50 mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> pankkake most = any << defo. there's what, like a dozen girls here.

19:34:01 fluffypony: thestringpuller: depends on the product, but for personal loans we get shafted here :/

19:34:02 MarieLynn: Mircea I've been succeeding at failing rather LOL :)

19:34:03 pankkake: I try to make my statements harder to contradict while keeping them provocative enough

19:34:32 kakobrekla: you mean you like to sound like a pussy

19:34:35 mircea_popescu: ^

19:34:51 mircea_popescu: everybody fucking types faster than i can

19:35:06 mircea_popescu: i wonder if keeping both hands on kbd'd help

19:35:21 pankkake: that slander

19:35:32 mod6: im slow typer too :/

19:35:43 kakobrekla: i was accused of same, then told pussies have a big heart. so go with that.

19:35:54 mod6: haha

19:36:07 MarieLynn: Mircea, thanks for the Tweet. I used to buy a lot of art from Romania, I kept the cute export papers in French :)

19:36:17 mircea_popescu: pussies have a big heart because all the cocks coming in and out enlarge it in the end.

19:36:35 mircea_popescu: MarieLynn like what art ?

19:37:16 mircea_popescu: http://pankkake.headfucking.net/2014/05/02/yo-bitcoin-assets-i-put-contrarianism-in-your-contrarianism/ << here's pancake trying to rebrand being a pussy as being a gadfly.

19:37:17 ozbot: Yo #bitcoin-assets, I put contrarianism in your contrarianism | pankkake

19:37:27 MarieLynn: Student art from an assistant professor. Most of it counts as cubist :)

19:37:31 pankkake: what's pussy about that?

19:37:48 mircea_popescu: nothing, really.

19:37:56 mircea_popescu: but I try to make my statements harder to contradict while keeping them absurd enough

19:38:21 pankkake: :D

19:41:17 pankkake: I thought your technique was to drown in words

19:41:52 pankkake: "let me tell you a story…" contradictor falls asleep, win by default

19:43:00 MarieLynn: Bacău mostly this one is my favorite piece of Romanian Art https://www.dropbox.com/s/i1pfi2vnfuhizl6/2014-05-02%2015.36.54.jpg

19:43:01 thestringpuller: let me tell you a story about a henchman named speedy

19:43:35 pankkake: I just want to rotate it for some reason

19:43:47 ThickAsThieves: well you guys can blog about superiority, pankakke about inferiority, and i'll take ulteriority

19:44:12 pankkake: who will blog about seniority?

19:44:20 MarieLynn: Have fun rotating, there's a lot of kookey things goin on in there ;)

19:44:39 pankkake: oh it's a horse! of course, it's romanian

19:44:41 ThickAsThieves: isnt seniority superiority?

19:45:01 pankkake: unless it's senility

19:45:31 fluffypony: pankkake: did you just admit to being old?

19:45:44 ThickAsThieves: is there an iority for meta?

19:45:52 fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: mediocrity

19:46:00 ThickAsThieves: was waiting for it

19:46:29 pankkake: I wouln't be considered old, I don't really like being old, but I feel old

19:46:51 mike_c: tsk tsk kakobrekla. http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1755239/thumbs/o-YOU-DONT-SAY-570.jpg?2

19:47:20 kakobrekla: yeah well tell that to lampelina when she wants me to remove a spider or such.

19:47:22 ThickAsThieves: but now you're calling him a coward

19:47:27 ThickAsThieves: is there poster for that?

19:47:41 mike_c: no, non-gender specific insults are fine

19:47:46 ThickAsThieves: ah

19:48:20 pankkake: mike_c: that whole campaign… ugh :(

19:48:28 kakobrekla: yeah, well the stigma did not create itself

19:49:05 mike_c: pankkake: i know. the thought process of whoever wrote those.. it's painful to think about.

19:50:16 MarieLynn: Hey you guys, can you pause calling eact other pussies to look at another animal? :P

19:50:26 MarieLynn: I made a t-shirt

19:50:28 MarieLynn: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/21419725/satoshi-goose-t-shirt.jpg

19:50:37 ThickAsThieves: lol

19:50:45 MarieLynn: Going into pre-order pretty soon. You like?

19:50:48 pankkake: nice

19:50:51 kakobrekla: bitcoin shitting duck?

19:51:00 ThickAsThieves: goose

19:51:08 ThickAsThieves: yeah it's neat

19:51:19 MarieLynn: It's a golden egg goose :)

19:51:52 kakobrekla: golden turdmeister is what i see.

19:51:52 MarieLynn: It goes with a feature article I am writing about a brain wallet we are trying to decrypt right now

19:52:05 kakobrekla: maybe im simpleminded

19:52:42 mike_c: no, that goose is definitely shitting bitcoin.

19:53:14 MarieLynn: well, yes, technically, these birds have only one hole so they are either turds or eggs LOL

19:53:30 pankkake: this is actually quite fascinating

19:53:32 mike_c: but geese don't lay eggs standing up

19:53:33 MarieLynn: Kinda goes with the story..

19:54:09 kakobrekla: the story of golden turd

19:54:41 ThickAsThieves: it's a superior goose

19:54:44 kakobrekla: bitcoin dev replies: "yeah but its still in beta you know!"

19:54:46 ThickAsThieves: it lays upright

19:55:10 MarieLynn: do you guys think bitcoins are golden eggs or turds?

19:55:18 ThickAsThieves: golden turds

19:55:30 thestringpuller: ;;google american dad golden poop

19:55:31 gribble: The Golden Turd - American Dad! Wiki - Roger, Steve, Stan: http://americandad.wikia.com/wiki/The_Golden_Turd; The Gold Turd Returns - American Dad - Adult Swim Video: http://video.adultswim.com/american-dad/the-gold-turd-returns.html; Roger (American Dad!) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_(American_Dad!)

19:55:45 MarieLynn: For me it's hard to know, there is always a fricking bitcoin dip right after I get paid!!

19:55:55 pankkake: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%92uf_carr%C3%A9

19:56:02 thestringpuller: you're doing it wrong

19:56:03 ThickAsThieves: i think bitcoins are just millions of satoshis in disguise

19:56:09 kakobrekla: MarieLynn stop getting paid already.

19:56:12 mike_c: you get paid in bitcoin? nice.

19:56:21 pankkake: well, don't get paid in bitcoin if you don't intend to hold, really

19:58:44 MarieLynn: I need the money dude I mistakenly thought that going into bitcoin would get me bitcoins... like more than 1 LOL

19:59:01 assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/3PT20FM/plain/)

19:59:01 kakobrekla: !b 1

19:59:02 kakobrekla: ty

19:59:19 pankkake: perhaps getting a good paying fiat job should be your immediate priority then

19:59:57 MarieLynn: I am still working fiat contracts.

20:00:35 MarieLynn: Difference is people will come to me without effort for fiat jobs but I have to wheel and deal like crazy for bitcoins with 22 year olds... it's not the same market.

20:01:01 mike_c: well, average in here is definitely > 22.

20:01:05 kakobrekla: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=95441.msg6513182#msg6513182

20:01:06 ozbot: [Cryptostocks] BBBB Bitcoin Emerging Market Fund

20:01:14 kakobrekla: wonder why he hid his name ?

20:01:16 pankkake: yes, well; keep the fiat jobs, buy coins / create the right bitcoin market for you

20:01:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 45 @ 0.07346721 = 3.306 BTC [+] {4}

20:01:39 pankkake: average on bitcointalk is probably <22 :(

20:02:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 17 @ 0.07383692 = 1.2552 BTC [+] {3}

20:02:34 pankkake: kakobrekla: Garett McBurger?

20:02:54 bitcoinpete: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/exclusive-pfizer-insider-warns-that-takeover-of-astrazeneca-could-be-devastating-9318884.html << £63 billion. heavy

20:03:00 kakobrekla: and im John Travolta ?

20:03:23 Apocalyptic: kako, are you saying you're not ?

20:03:24 MarieLynn: I have decades of project and staff management experience so I do not expect to work in bitcoin as a developer. Bitcoin needs leadership and guidance for its 22 year old employees!! I have lots of experience developing talent 19-25

20:03:39 kakobrekla: no no nevermind i said that Apocalyptic .

20:04:34 kakobrekla: well MarieLynn get them to write spec

20:06:11 bitcoinpete: https://twitter.com/MikeyMehedin/status/462309907371655168/photo/1 <<dogecoin nascar. my eyes

20:06:12 ozbot: Twitter / MikeyMehedin: @Josh_Wise @dogecoin @reddit ...

20:06:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.07214738 = 1.5872 BTC [-] {4}

20:07:00 kakobrekla: isnt nascar like the idiot central

20:07:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.07202477 = 2.881 BTC [-] {6}

20:08:01 bitcoinpete: kakobrekla: a very specific subset of them, southern amuricans

20:08:08 pankkake: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poor_and_Stupid

20:08:08 ozbot: Poor and Stupid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

20:08:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.072 = 0.144 BTC [-]

20:08:57 bitcoinpete: more interested in drive-thrus, segregation, and surviving hurricanes than crypto

20:09:06 kakobrekla: i guess i should watch that.

20:09:19 kakobrekla: sp episode, not nascar racing.

20:11:00 mike_c: hmm.. it's always scary when you build something semi-complicated and it just works the first time.

20:11:17 mike_c: must be missing something..

20:11:43 kakobrekla: give it some time to break.

20:11:51 pankkake: it's never working the first time. you just haven't found where it goes wrong

20:12:03 asciilifeform: mike_c: obligatory naggumism:

20:12:04 asciilifeform: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3141310154691952@naggum.no.html

20:12:04 ozbot: Re: Is LISP dying? - Naggum cll archive

20:13:03 mike_c: can naggum say anything in less than 1000 words?

20:13:17 asciilifeform: mike_c: well, eventually he got down to 0 words.

20:13:37 asciilifeform: (cheated. kicked usenet habit, a few yrs. before he died)

20:16:56 mike_c: i agree with naggum in a lot of ways, but i ended up in python instead of lisp. i was just writing a C module for python and it was a brutal reminder of much time and energy is spent making sure i didn't miss dereferencing something in some random error case that would cause a leak, etc.

20:24:06 kakobrekla: !up tris

20:24:06 assbot: Voicing tris for 30 minutes.

20:34:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23400 @ 0.00097005 = 22.6992 BTC [+]

20:34:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 21 @ 0.07392957 = 1.5525 BTC [-] {2}

20:36:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.07399031 = 0.6659 BTC [+] {3}

20:39:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.139999 BTC [-]

20:39:48 bitcoinpete: "Consider how the Catholic Church might have mitigated some of the deep pain caused by its abusive priests had it acted with the kind of boldness shown by N.B.A. Commissioner Adam Silver. Instead, it chose cover-ups, denial and blame shifting — the usual default modes for institutions trying to protect themselves." << default of institutions that last

20:39:55 bitcoinpete: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/02/opinion/egan-sports-the-most-progressive-force-in-america.html

20:41:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1040 @ 0.00014647 = 0.1523 BTC [-] {3}

20:41:10 MarieLynn: I am really glad unpaid athletes are getting national attention for their cause. They get tuition but no time to study... dumb...

20:42:16 asciilifeform: MarieLynn: no time to study << at american unis, there are special fake classes for athletes. with no attendance checks, homework, or exams...

20:42:44 MarieLynn: I know...

20:42:46 asciilifeform: their existence in at least one is a proven fact

20:43:01 thestringpuller: MarieLynn: decades of experience?

20:43:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07399993 = 0.222 BTC [-] {2}

20:43:09 thestringpuller: you been working since you were 10 or something?

20:44:14 pankkake: is there anything to learn in college anyway? :)

20:44:29 asciilifeform: i learned some maths

20:44:32 asciilifeform: can't speak for others

20:45:33 asciilifeform: there are also useful things that one can pick up, like the art of working with your head for a week straight without sleep.

20:45:47 asciilifeform: but it is not strictly necessary to attend college to learn this.

20:46:16 MarieLynn: 20 years in what I do now

20:46:24 pankkake: higher education has been a interesting experience, but I could have skipped (and did) most classes

20:47:44 MarieLynn: I started in Web in 1994, I was only 23.

20:48:04 asciilifeform: what in web ?

20:48:15 MarieLynn: Before that I was a tour guide across North America, I started at 18. And a nanny too :)

20:48:46 MarieLynn: I do everything in Web. I have held all the jobs!

20:49:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24900 @ 0.00097404 = 24.2536 BTC [+] {3}

20:50:21 MarieLynn: I've dropped out of college TWICE!!

20:50:37 MarieLynn: But I was in all the committees at college, no time for class.

20:51:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.03149007 = 0.3149 BTC [-]

20:51:19 bitcoinpete: college is best used as a dating service

20:51:38 bitcoinpete: nothing else creates collisions like college does

20:51:39 pankkake: it made a way more social person, for sure. that and alcohol

20:52:02 pankkake: +me

20:52:15 pankkake: MarieLynn: you really do ALL THE THINGS!!

20:54:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00097017 = 4.8509 BTC [-]

20:56:37 bitcoinpete: "You may think that walled-garden access to Facebook or Google is inferior to neutral Internet access—and you’d be right. But if the neutralistas got their way, people in developing countries wouldn’t have better Internet access; many of them would have nothing"

20:56:44 bitcoinpete: http://theumlaut.com/2014/04/30/how-net-neutrality-hurts-the-poor/

20:57:09 bounce: I'm not sure that's a valid premise

20:57:25 BingoBoingo: %book

20:57:27 atcbot: 33k@225 23k@224 6k@223 | 2k@170 90k@156 10k@155

20:57:39 bitcoinpete: "Net neutrality, in other words, would not only keep the poorest offline, it would keep investment in poor-country telecom infrastructure down for longer."

20:57:44 bitcoinpete: bounce: it's nonsense

20:58:07 bitcoinpete: helping the poor with us gov corps isn't helping them at all

21:00:37 asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=208

21:00:38 ozbot: Loper OS » “The Internet of the Future”

21:00:41 asciilifeform: ^ where we're going

21:00:46 asciilifeform: after the fud-artists are done

21:00:56 Duffer1: neutralistas lmao

21:05:16 asciilifeform: that turd includes at least one outright lie

21:05:31 asciilifeform: amazon's 3g gadgets access the standard net, for no extra cost

21:05:37 asciilifeform: just, very slowly.

21:07:41 asciilifeform: the way i understand it, aol, compuserve, et al. died a very deserved market death

21:07:52 asciilifeform: but now the 'walled garden' idiots want to replay the match

21:07:55 asciilifeform: with captive audiences

21:08:17 asciilifeform: because these are the only kind where the shit might fly

21:09:19 asciilifeform: living in usa, i admit i'm rather surprised that it is 2014 and i'm not yet forced to pay $500/mo to get something other than ArsebookNet

21:11:18 asciilifeform: arsenet is coming, because the average luser doesn't really insist on being able to open an arbitrary tcp connection from wherever to wherever

21:11:30 asciilifeform: so long as arsebook, skype, etc. work

21:11:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0314991 = 0.126 BTC [-]

21:11:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.03349229 = 0.134 BTC [-] {2}

21:11:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3885 BTC [-]

21:13:01 BingoBoingo: If the choice were between arsenet and Dial-up, I'd probably choose dial up

21:13:12 asciilifeform: hell, 300 baud

21:13:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 999 @ 0.00019191 = 0.1917 BTC [-]

21:13:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 12 @ 0.03300008 = 0.396 BTC [-] {2}

21:14:08 asciilifeform: paradoxically, a return of the era when you must beg/borrow/steal genuine net access from employers, universities - could actually end 'eternal september.'

21:14:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.0325099 = 0.2601 BTC [-]

21:15:11 asciilifeform: and wonders like fidonet will return from the grave.

21:15:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.074 = 0.444 BTC [+]

21:15:41 asciilifeform: it won't be as easy as the first time, though

21:15:54 asciilifeform: over here, many houses had their land line copper (illegally) torn out

21:15:59 asciilifeform: by the fiber folks

21:16:09 BingoBoingo: I once produced a version of a web site I ran as a gopher site, in 2011, Library school project

21:16:13 MarieLynn: I miss FidoNet :)

21:16:39 MarieLynn: Went to a FidoNet Con last year :)

21:16:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.00659993 = 0.132 BTC [+] {3}

21:16:47 asciilifeform: in usa, the copper lines are regulated under the terms of the at&t divestiture

21:16:50 fluffypony: http://i.imgur.com/ZtPkUV4.jpg

21:17:01 asciilifeform: and the local carries have destroyed as many of them as they could get away with

21:18:15 BingoBoingo: http://it.slashdot.org/story/14/05/02/2015227/nasty-security-flaw-in-oauth-openid

21:18:15 ozbot: Nasty Security Flaw In OAuth, OpenID - Slashdot

21:18:35 pankkake: another one?!

21:18:40 asciilifeform: lol

21:19:30 asciilifeform: for example - moving into new house, i discovered a dangling stub where the old 'bell atlantic' copper ought to be.

21:19:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2629 @ 0.00014366 = 0.3777 BTC [-] {5}

21:19:56 asciilifeform: gone from the house, and from the pole.

21:20:37 asciilifeform: nobody gives a damn, at present, because we all love fiber

21:20:53 asciilifeform: but it could convert to ArseNet overnight.

21:21:35 BingoBoingo: Shame encryption on Amateur radio frequencies is a crime.

21:21:56 BingoBoingo: 2 meter band could make for some nice mesh networks

21:22:05 asciilifeform: copper is expensive - not merely the metal, but maintenance - keeping water out of the cable ducts, etc. the telcos would hurry to be rid of it even the removal did not speed the arrival of arsenet.

21:22:51 pankkake: and keeping the romanians from stealing it

21:22:52 asciilifeform: in a traditional telco plant, there are giant air dryers, blowing into ducts, to keep positive pressure

21:23:12 asciilifeform: my understanding is that these, at least where i live, and in a number of other places, have given out - and never replaced

21:23:21 asciilifeform: instead, there are tanks of co2 chained to poles here and there

21:23:32 asciilifeform: the one on my street emptied out a few years ago

21:23:39 asciilifeform: never once replaced.

21:24:08 asciilifeform: eventually, the one or two remaining copper subscribers will complain. and perhaps it will be re-filled. or not.

21:26:26 BingoBoingo: All of the good technologies come with expiration dates.

21:26:43 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: Shame encryption on Amateur radio frequencies is a crime << eventually, u.s. folks who want genuine net will need to commit this - or some other - crime.

21:27:15 asciilifeform: and, given that 'one may as well hang for a sheep as a lamb,' why stick to only 2m.

21:28:00 asciilifeform: plenty of quiet spectrum, there for the taking, esp. if one only needs a few km of range.

21:28:40 BingoBoingo: Very good point. I supposed 2m because it is just so common.

21:29:35 ThickAsThieves: lordy, the forum and bitpay wanna move the bitcoin decimal to two places

21:29:58 asciilifeform: the correct way to do 'pirate radio' net is - frequency hopping 'spread spectrum.' meet the other local node people in person, to agree on a key.

21:29:59 BingoBoingo: Fuck them. The decimal can move two spaces to the left

21:30:16 ThickAsThieves: how do they not see that an arbitrary change will only cause confusion and likely fail at being adopted

21:30:57 asciilifeform: folks who like to eat shit - can eat it. others will continue to eat food.

21:31:00 joecool: pankkake: you're thinking georgians, they'll cut into anything remotely resembling a wire, source: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/apr/06/georgian-woman-cuts-web-access

21:31:48 asciilifeform: in usa, desperados are attaching trucks to hv cables and driving off.

21:32:08 pankkake: yeah, I know that story. copper stealing is a worldwide plague done by various people

21:32:20 BingoBoingo: Yeah. Optic net is also a possibility. Fiber without the fiber.

21:32:32 pankkake: and some don't even know how to spot copper and cut the fiber

21:32:38 asciilifeform: in a functioning empire, the penalty would be - sizzling in the electric chair. right there, in the bed of a specially-built police truck.

21:32:46 asciilifeform: but see mp's story of the last emperor.

21:33:43 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: optical line-of-sight would work well in places other than usa - ones where people still live in cities

21:34:25 joecool: lasernet

21:34:39 asciilifeform: (can easily think of creative penalties for buyers of stolen copper. say, hanging with same stolen cable. on a hv mast.)

21:35:35 joecool: my state had a unique copper problem

21:35:40 asciilifeform: sorta like how, in old scotland, they had a contraption very similar to the later guillotine - 'scottish gibbet' - where a cattle or horse thief would find the animal he stole attached to a rope, which pulls out the peg, blade falls.

21:35:49 joecool: we kept getting floods so people threw out things like refrigerators (with coils)

21:36:16 joecool: the municipalities though would sell scrap licenses for these discarded items and arrest anyone who picked it up without a permit

21:37:27 asciilifeform: hard to think of how else the crown could distinguish between legit and thieving metal recyclers.

21:37:42 fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: the adoption argument is that it seems "more like a currency" because we're used to 2 decimal places, and most account software can't work with more than 2 anyway

21:38:13 asciilifeform: refrigerators, unlike cars, don't come with legal titles

21:38:14 BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Have the accounting software work satoshis then.

21:38:21 asciilifeform: and once it is melted down - metal is metal

21:38:37 fluffypony: BingoBoingo: well, yes, that's exactly what's been suggested

21:38:41 fluffypony: and ignored

21:38:50 joecool: fluffypony: well could adopt the tonal system and TBC like Luke-Jr wanted :P

21:39:11 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: True. Picking the radio bands over US style distances presents challenges though.

21:39:54 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: real time tcp/ip, over 1000s of km, for millions of people - is a luxury.

21:40:23 asciilifeform: a usenet-style system, where messages might resort to travelling in a truck full of disk, seems inevitable in a scenario like this.

21:40:33 bounce: http://ronja.twibright.com/

21:40:34 ozbot: Home

21:40:47 BingoBoingo: Of course. Stationwagon net is always an option.

21:40:51 joecool: 1000's of km? gonna need relays or a signal that can bounce

21:41:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.07254245 = 0.9431 BTC [-] {3}

21:41:12 *: bounce sets joecool on fire

21:41:27 asciilifeform: anything that transmits over 1000km is a fat target.

21:41:46 bounce: usenet? can start with resurrecting uucp (or fido)

21:42:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.0725104 = 0.7976 BTC [-] {3}

21:42:16 asciilifeform: bounce: resurrecting fido << see the point earlier about the destroyed 'bell' copper in usa

21:42:35 asciilifeform: i, for one, have no copper phone line, and know no one who still does

21:42:55 bounce: there's some interesting digital modulations about. if I ever get around to a HAM licence I'd probably still dump crypted data on the wire along with a readable call sign

21:43:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.07237324 = 0.8685 BTC [-] {5}

21:43:07 bounce: who says fido depends on copper?

21:43:11 asciilifeform: bounce: the other hams will eagerly turn you in

21:43:22 joecool: lol yeah cannot do that :P

21:43:34 bounce: who's to know? I'm doing experiments with me mate

21:43:42 bounce: "yeah new modulation guv"

21:43:45 asciilifeform: bounce: it relies on some reasonably general-purpose channel, of whatever bandwidth

21:43:48 BingoBoingo: High Bandwidth http://www.cargurus.com/Cars/l-Used-2006-Dodge-Magnum-SRT8-t30836#listing=84198839

21:44:39 BingoBoingo: bounce: HAMs tend to be a territorial and snitchy bunch

21:44:42 bounce: one option might be to get a boating radio licence. they're already throwing packet over those frequencies for email-to-boat

21:44:47 asciilifeform: in usa at least, 'hams' know that they live at the pleasure of the crown, various folks are always hungry for their spectrum pie

21:44:53 asciilifeform: so they eagerly rat out violators.

21:44:55 artifexd: ThickAsThieves: Had it been done at the beginning 1mn satoshis to the bitcoin would have made more sense. That would have made 2.1 billion bitcoin in total and maybe that number would have made people register that 21 million was not an arbitrary number and making coins with more is just a fucking headache.

21:45:25 bounce: well, then forget about the licence and go entirely pirate with a spread-spectrum frequency-hopping whatever construct.

21:45:42 asciilifeform: bounce: suggested earlier. and, of course, by many other people, in the past.

21:45:54 bounce: or stick to linking up wifi nodes with dish antennae. that goes a while too.

21:46:35 bounce: the thing there is that you need ready access to hardware, or at least schematics simple enough for the hobbyist to cobble together.

21:46:57 bounce: doesn't have to be very efficient. ttl everything will do as long as it works.

21:46:59 asciilifeform: the point i wanted to make was that anything other than a very broad, military-style spread spectrum setup, with hop keys exchanged in person, is simply a beacon for the gasenwagen.

21:47:03 joecool: 20-30mi with 5GHZ line of sight is feasible, i used to live on a mountain and experimented with some pretty long links

21:47:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.47277687 = 2.3639 BTC [-] {5}

21:47:12 joecool: there's a site you can use to check what mountains are in the way

21:47:37 asciilifeform: good luck setting up a line-of-sight anything in u.s. suburbia.

21:47:50 fluffypony: joecool: lol

21:47:51 joecool: asciilifeform: need height

21:47:56 fluffypony: joecool: we should suggest TonalDogecoin

21:47:57 bounce: put up a mast?

21:48:00 fluffypony: see how it goes down

21:48:10 joecool: again, a mountain helps a lot

21:48:26 asciilifeform: put up a mast << might as well hoist a black flag on same mast.

21:48:36 joecool: i had a 30mi clear shot from my back deck of old house to an observation deck @ a state park

21:48:52 mircea_popescu: <pankkake> "let me tell you a story?" contradictor falls asleep, win by default << o lies and slander. my stories kick ass

21:49:46 jborkl: www.bcoinnews.com < see how well bitcoin investigations go

21:50:35 asciilifeform: i dare to invoke the 'parachute theorem,' and say that the time to build comm infrastructure out of the real (or imagined) control of the crown is now, and not when it becomes a dire necessity.

21:51:02 mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> yeah, well the stigma did not create itself << stigma means, of course, a stain.

21:51:04 bounce: so get cracking.

21:51:10 asciilifeform: and to think that it is purely an 'american problem' - is a mistake.

21:51:28 bounce: ;;google mesh potato

21:51:29 gribble: Village Telco » Mesh Potato: http://villagetelco.org/mesh-potato/; Village Telco » Mesh Potato: http://villagetelco.org/category/village-telco/mesh-potato/; Mesh Potatoes - Village Telco Store Village Telco Store: https://store.villagetelco.com/mesh-potatoes.html

21:51:35 mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> maybe im simpleminded << buzz off. next you're going to claim you're psychopath too ?!

21:52:03 asciilifeform: if you're 'meshing' with consumer hardware, on fixed, documented frequencies - you're a target.

21:52:10 bounce: bunch of those would be a convenient start. though I really would prefer a nice high gain omni on top.

21:52:35 asciilifeform: if you're pumping out kWatts of whatever, wherever - you're a target.

21:52:35 asciilifeform: etc

21:53:12 bounce: it's a proven design. now move the radio to some neverland(, and see which military outfit shows up)

21:53:12 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you are mistaken in the following sense : i ruled, undisturbed, undisturbable, before the internet was invented.

21:53:26 mircea_popescu: should a government - any government - take things back to that level, it'd be to their detriment, not to mine.

21:53:48 mircea_popescu: the jury's still out on the topic of whether they can win 2014. the jury however is not out on whether they can win 1994.

21:53:51 mircea_popescu: that's soundly decided.

21:54:06 BingoBoingo: bounce you know a number of missile targeting systems seek RF emissions.

21:54:09 asciilifeform: seems like we're in for an eternal rematch of 1994

21:54:15 bounce: once "TSHTF" enforcement agencies will become haphazard in their actions, so nicely spread out stashes would help a lot

21:54:16 mircea_popescu: i couldn't be better served.

21:54:57 asciilifeform: how many of us expected the key escrow crap to slip right in the second time?

21:55:05 mircea_popescu: what second time ?

21:55:19 asciilifeform: let's say '04, to make it nice & round.

21:55:26 *: bounce thinks the discussion is not constructive. anybody recall why the internet is structured like it is? because it can withstand damage and route around it.

21:55:35 asciilifeform: bounce: you're thinking of arpanet

21:55:40 joecool: asciilifeform: why not use existing infrastructure, figure out how to inject a signal into powerline

21:55:43 mircea_popescu: bounce used to. meanwhile shit like apple happened.

21:55:50 asciilifeform: joecool: ever tried this personally?

21:56:00 asciilifeform: goes great, until first transformer.

21:56:03 bounce: the goal isn't to cook up an invulnerable system. the goal is to cook up a resilient system. ten different systems working together would be even better.

21:56:32 asciilifeform: bounce: original design was to resist nukes, rather than a million squads of dutiful monkeys in vans

21:57:07 joecool: asciilifeform: yeah i knew that much, but could still use HV lines to go a distance, no?

21:57:20 asciilifeform: it would be interesting to study the design of 'Gladio' radio sets - made for stay-behind partizans in nato europe

21:57:23 bounce: shit, do fido or uucp over long-range bluetooth for all I care. with nodes hid in stones.

21:57:27 asciilifeform: some of these have popped up on surplus market.

21:57:50 mircea_popescu: lol kako, bbbb still derping on ?

21:57:54 BingoBoingo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q15X25

21:57:54 ozbot: Q15X25 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

21:58:12 kakobrekla: mircea_popescu , proudly.

21:58:14 joecool: asciilifeform: the idea would be to mesh a town, and use HV lines to link to other towns

21:58:20 joecool: (in theory)

21:58:23 mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/these-fucktards-have-to-be-immortalised-theyre-worse-than-dr-foreskin-even/

21:58:24 ozbot: These fucktards have to be immortalised, they’re worse than Dr. Foreskin even pe Trilema - Un blog

21:58:24 mircea_popescu: related.

21:58:41 kakobrekla: thats not him

21:58:48 mircea_popescu: surf capital ? o yes it is.

21:59:00 asciilifeform: joecool: HV lines to link to other towns << works, until the king's men 'helpfully' install filters

21:59:11 mircea_popescu: "The Bitcoin Emerging Market Fund (BBBB) initiated a position in the Neo & Bee Payment Network (Havelock: NEOBEE) on 03/07 buying 18 shares. The fund will continue to increase this position in the near term. I love the tangibility of NEOBEE?s assets. They have brick and mortar branches and will be providing vital financial services to an area that has traditionally been ?under-banked.? I must note, however, there

21:59:11 mircea_popescu: is substantial political risk with this investment. We, as investors, do not know how the Cypriot government will act toward a new financial institution like this. This is especially true given the political turmoil occuring in Ukraine and the Crimea region."

21:59:11 asciilifeform: 'against transients caused by Klimate Change'

21:59:12 mircea_popescu: them.

21:59:38 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how do these "king's men" communicate ?

21:59:43 mircea_popescu: how does the king prevent them from working for me ?

22:00:04 asciilifeform: lol - that's step 2 of the game.

22:00:07 mircea_popescu: you imagine this situation of perfect loyalty and imperfect communications.

22:00:07 bounce: what'd be the most widely available stuff that does ssb? I'd expect 27mc. which, since there's lots of crap going on there anyway, wouldn't be a bad band to use

22:00:16 asciilifeform: would be nice to see the transition to step 2 sooner, rather than later

22:00:24 mircea_popescu: such a thing is nonsensical, much like any scenario breaing thermodynamicsa.

22:00:46 mircea_popescu: but the transition happens in its own time for its own reasons, you see.

22:01:09 mircea_popescu: that's why it's cheap and effectual : we don't seduce women, we just deign to notice the ones that've seduced themselves already.

22:01:23 jborkl: you cant tell me they really referenced BTCjam on credit ratings?

22:01:30 mircea_popescu: jborkl i can and i do.

22:01:32 kakobrekla: ok so mircea_popescu , dr foreskin : http://mulhauser.net and bbbb idiots (2) https://sites.google.com/site/surfcapitalmgmt/asset-management

22:01:35 kakobrekla: different thing.

22:01:47 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla the article says x is worse than y. thus it's about x, not y.

22:01:48 jborkl: well, I guess people really refernced spongebobs bestie too

22:01:54 jborkl: sp

22:02:53 jborkl: Maybe Patricks Foreskin investment total return fund

22:02:56 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you imagine this situation of perfect loyalty and imperfect communications << point! the buggers are spotty even at using rsa. how do you say 'funkspiel' in english?

22:03:03 kakobrekla: ok i have no argument about that.

22:03:13 mircea_popescu: <mike_c> must be missing something.. << or you've just been touched by the gods for once.

22:03:18 mircea_popescu: !up tris

22:03:18 assbot: Voicing tris for 30 minutes.

22:03:35 asciilifeform: funkspiel. радиоигра. english == ???

22:04:04 asciilifeform: ;;google funkspiel

22:04:05 gribble: Funkspiel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funkspiel; Funkspiel Zwickau [NONG: Funkspiel] TeamSpeak - LIVE view ...: http://www.tsviewer.com/index.php?page=ts_viewer&ID=987701; Werbevideo vom Funkspiel-Flughafen-München - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVAE7I6CkL0

22:04:08 mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete> http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/02/opinion/egan-sports-the-most-progressive-force-in-america.html <<< lmao they say that as if it were somehow a good thing. lulzy shit.

22:04:12 BingoBoingo: http://www.cryptomuseum.com/spy/gladio/

22:04:14 ozbot: Gladio

22:04:46 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: yes - them.

22:04:52 mircea_popescu: i think you must wreite it like GLADIO

22:05:01 mircea_popescu: i noticed that is how you must write everything about these things

22:05:01 BingoBoingo: Interesting hardware ascii

22:06:20 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if you study the other exhibits on that site, you will learn that even 1950s soviet 'spy radio' designers understood that one must send very rare messages, in the shortest possible bursts

22:06:20 mircea_popescu: <MarieLynn> Before that I was a tour guide across North America, I started at 18. And a nanny too :) << now how do you figure that being a tour guide and a nanny transitions to providing leadership services for the world's most important project ?

22:06:42 bounce: http://www.cryptomuseum.com/spy/gladio/

22:06:44 ozbot: Gladio

22:06:44 asciilifeform: russian sets of that period came with hole punchers (similar to the ubiquitous hand-cranked office label printers)

22:06:51 kakobrekla: i already gave her instructions

22:06:55 jborkl: You get to listen to a bunch of titybabies cry all day?

22:06:59 asciilifeform: punch holes in ordinary 35mm film, feed into machine later

22:07:23 asciilifeform: this was mainly from a shortage of master 'morsemen'

22:07:25 mircea_popescu: <bitcoinpete> But if the neutralistas got their way, people in developing countries wouldn?t have better Internet access; many of them would have nothing" << omfg who the shit cares about the poor, what sort of braindamaged argument is this.

22:07:29 mircea_popescu: eat the motherfucking poor.

22:07:42 bounce: hah, double post. n'mind then.

22:08:04 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yeah im like behind

22:08:06 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they include 'for the good of the poor' in any official proclamation now. as in 'the good of the proletariat' and whatnot.

22:08:10 bounce: it'd be useful to have a bursting service on your radio

22:08:13 mircea_popescu: and i can't catch up because you're all into explody talkmode

22:08:26 kakobrekla: wait lemme +m

22:08:41 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform pretty much exactly. which is why a lot more "fuck the poor, they're less than dirt" needs to be stated explicitly.

22:08:58 mircea_popescu: otherwise the general fucktarded populace may end up confused, cause they're simple signal processors.

22:09:05 asciilifeform: lol

22:09:18 mircea_popescu: they keep hearing "coca cola is a drink" they end up thinking it's a drink.

22:09:22 mircea_popescu: retarded shit like that.

22:09:28 asciilifeform: eat recycled food!

22:09:37 asciilifeform: it's good for the environment - and ok fer you!

22:10:25 bounce: soylent brown

22:10:36 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> living in usa, i admit i'm rather surprised that it is 2014 and i'm not yet forced to pay $500/mo to get something other than ArsebookNet << i think they're running way behind schedule.

22:11:05 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> and wonders like fidonet will return from the grave. << where do you think you're now ?

22:12:11 mircea_popescu: fluffypony lmao "chinese rules". i dunno dood, afaik the chinese are the most druggy whoring of the whole lot.

22:12:24 fluffypony: lol

22:13:28 bounce: that oauth hole isn't really fixable, is it?

22:14:41 mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> lordy, the forum and bitpay wanna move the bitcoin decimal to two places << enemies of the people.

22:15:11 fluffypony: bounce: not without whitelists

22:15:12 mircea_popescu: bounce indeed.

22:15:14 mircea_popescu: !up SuchWow

22:15:14 assbot: Voicing SuchWow for 30 minutes.

22:15:22 mircea_popescu: fucking broken by design "security"

22:15:37 mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/462354080372097024

22:15:38 ozbot: Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: http://t.co/VLyAis0h7B I've ...

22:16:09 bounce: superfluous apostrophe is superfluous

22:16:58 mircea_popescu: <joecool> the municipalities though would sell scrap licenses for these discarded items and arrest anyone who picked it up without a permit << fucking outrageous. selling licenses on MY trash ? heh.

22:17:38 fluffypony: SuchWow: unusual seeing you here

22:17:41 joecool: mircea_popescu: yeah, the same logic applies on recyclables

22:18:02 SuchWow: Thanks, first I've heard of the chan :)

22:18:03 mircea_popescu: <fluffypony> and ignored << just because some inconsequential idiots a la bitpay & the forum are herping away dun mean anything's been ignored. you can't ignore the judge, or the bullet.

22:18:55 Namworld: Move decimals to two places? You mean as in making 1 BTC = 100 satoshi?

22:19:00 fluffypony: Namworld: yes

22:19:33 fluffypony: how are they feeding values in to an accounting system anyway?

22:19:35 fluffypony: by hand?

22:19:53 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo> bounce: HAMs tend to be a territorial and snitchy bunch << only because no real political pressure has been applied to them yet, because nobody gave a shit. normally the sewer rats are also a snitchy, territorial bunch. nevertheless, nobody in the lower east side would talk to a cop, pre ww2.

22:20:01 fluffypony: coz if it's programmatic they should be working in satoshis anyway

22:20:32 mircea_popescu: they prolly don't know about this, or anything else.

22:20:37 Namworld: What? That's retarded. We'd end up with 2000 BTC to the dollar and a shitload of BTC. Plus that wouldn't change anything at all, actually.

22:20:38 mircea_popescu: heck, they probably have bitcoin defined as a real.

22:20:56 mircea_popescu: Namworld they imagine it'd make more noobs buy, and so make their worthless holdings worth somerthing.

22:21:01 mircea_popescu: because they imagine bitcoin is a consumer affair

22:21:06 mircea_popescu: because they're braindamaged.

22:21:22 mircea_popescu: fluffypony who's he ?

22:21:39 Namworld: Plus you know a few places would scam people "We only owe you X BTC" and the generic moron would go "I knew it, BTC under 1 dollar by the end of the year."

22:21:44 fluffypony: who's he who?

22:21:51 Namworld: Plus much derping around.

22:22:21 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> good luck setting up a line-of-sight anything in u.s. suburbia. << why ?

22:23:34 mircea_popescu: fluffypony the SuchWow guy.

22:23:52 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: oh, he's an op in #dogecoin

22:23:59 SuchWow: I hang out in a large number of bitcoin and dogecoin related chans

22:24:02 mircea_popescu: Namworld i can see that, yeah. there's nothing like "confusion" when the "confused" stands to make a buck from it.

22:24:09 mircea_popescu: ic.

22:24:35 SuchWow: Looking through your websites now, very impressive info.

22:25:00 mircea_popescu: http://www.bcoinnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/wtf1.gif this jborkl stuff is pretty good lol

22:25:43 Namworld: Go in suburbia, stand any random spot, look around. Line of sight to plenty of solid points will be found. Get creative. (Are we still talking about creating a comm mesh?)

22:26:01 mircea_popescu: one of the many threads but yes.

22:26:17 mircea_popescu: you can have flying objects in suburbia, you can definitely have stuff hid inside tree tops, etc.

22:26:55 mircea_popescu: so trendon shavers managed to funel ~70k through his paypal account. to which paypal gave no trouble at all. why aren't they co-defendants in his case ?

22:27:03 mircea_popescu: because his lawyer is fucktarded that's why.

22:27:21 mircea_popescu: 11k for gas and groceries. and then they claim no inflation eh ?

22:28:52 mircea_popescu: "proceeds on btc sold : 600k. trading losses, 150k. net 450k" heh.

22:29:07 mircea_popescu: he's almost as bad as the forum average, 25% loss over a year.

22:29:32 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: treetops, flying machines parked on office roofs, charging solar, etc. - sure. line of sight to a friendly window, city-style - not likely.

22:30:14 mircea_popescu: well that all depends, i guess. what's to keep you from cutting a square foot window in the tree ?

22:30:18 mircea_popescu: put a glass panel in your fence ?

22:30:45 asciilifeform: what's to keep the stoolies from using their eyes?

22:30:57 mircea_popescu: how many stoolies, how many eyes and who;'s going to derp on your land ?

22:31:00 mircea_popescu: maybe they get shot.

22:31:09 mircea_popescu: accidents happen, and stoolies are in all times and places the first to also have problems.

22:31:38 asciilifeform: since we're at the 'pack parachute' stage, nobody's shooting stoolies around here yet.

22:31:47 mircea_popescu: that's the only reason, too.

22:31:59 mircea_popescu: as i said a few times before, the other party can move it up to getting shot any time it feels ready

22:32:05 mircea_popescu: talk to its fambly, say goodbies, come to the field.

22:32:18 bounce: drones with mesh potatoes and solar panels for autonomy. some proximity sensors and such. one roof gets too hot for comfort, move to the next.

22:32:46 bounce: what's the state of thin foil solar panels anyway?

22:32:52 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform or to put it in plainer terms : it is very true one wants to invent parachute before, rather than after being thrown from the plane.

22:32:57 mircea_popescu: this point applies to the government.

22:33:09 mircea_popescu: i am quite curious to hear what their parachute design will look like.

22:33:19 asciilifeform: everybody's seen the photos of fleets of gasenwagen, brand new

22:33:22 mircea_popescu: stoolies being what they are, i'll prolly hear about it before they actually accept it.

22:33:42 mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/georg-ritter-von-flondor-and-what-his-unhappy-life-can-teach-us/

22:33:43 ozbot: Georg Ritter von Flondor, and what his unhappy life can teach us pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Pope

22:33:53 mircea_popescu: time to rehash the sad story of von flondor.

22:36:30 kakobrekla: this is what tat was talking about ?

22:36:31 kakobrekla: http://newsbtc.com/2014/05/02/bitpay-wants-display-bitcoin-prices-bits/

22:41:23 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla hey, why isn't enky ever say anything ?

22:42:26 fluffypony: kakobrekla: yes

22:42:57 MarieLynn: <+mircea_popescu> what is the world's most important project ? (re: 18:06)

22:43:01 kakobrekla: i dunno, he speaks just not much here.

22:43:29 kakobrekla: OMG how dare you MarieLynn !

22:43:46 mircea_popescu: MarieLynn http://trilema.com/2013/things-that-matter-these-days-things-that-dont-matter-these-days/

22:44:50 mircea_popescu: the great days when diff was like... 300mn.

22:44:54 mircea_popescu: .d

22:44:54 ozbot: 8.001 billion | Next Diff in 1539 blocks | Estimated Change: 10.1417% in 9d 14h 27m 34s

22:45:36 thestringpuller: 4.2.1

22:45:38 mircea_popescu: back when benkay was liek... correcting my math. how's this benkay baby! six months fixed my broked math.

22:45:57 thestringpuller: ;;calc 2*3

22:45:57 gribble: 6

22:46:00 thestringpuller: lol

22:46:14 asciilifeform: this decimal point crap is a mega-lol. they can't inflate, so... let's move decimal. like in a banana republic, or '90s russia.

22:46:30 mircea_popescu: exactly.

22:46:43 asciilifeform: cargo cult, too. fat lot of good it will do for the idiots.

22:47:03 mircea_popescu: there's more to it asciilifeform. suppose you visit this university, which wants you to take it seriously. in it, the head of nuclear physics is hard at work making an inventory of... his bunions.

22:47:15 mircea_popescu: what's that indicate to you ? i mean sure, great men can be eccentric.

22:47:22 mircea_popescu: nevertheless...

22:47:40 asciilifeform: u.s. academia, in once sentence.

22:47:53 MarieLynn: interesting post :)

22:47:58 mircea_popescu: maybe the bunion accountant has no business in physics, nuclear or otherwise, and the thing ain't an university in any sense.

22:48:13 mircea_popescu: MarieLynn so, that. the one thing that does more than everything else all humans ever did in the entire history of life on earth.

22:48:32 MarieLynn: My friend is looking for a Rails dev @ 120-180K for his kinky site... I wish I was a Rails dev all of a sudden :)

22:48:35 mircea_popescu: for all your poetry and wit couldn't buy you half a hash.

22:48:48 mircea_popescu: davout was a rails dev if memory serves :D

22:48:55 pankkake: it's easy to be a Ruby dev. you just need a macbook and a fedora

22:49:05 asciilifeform: MarieLynn: dev @ 120-180K << lemme guess, california.

22:49:30 MarieLynn: <+mircea_popescu> I will quote you on this when I talk about bitcoin

22:49:37 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell cgcardona http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-05-2014#656509

22:49:37 gribble: The operation succeeded.

22:49:50 MarieLynn: Nope The position is anywhere.

22:50:15 MarieLynn: Nice opportunity to arbitrage your skills when you live in a super cheap place!

22:50:55 asciilifeform: pankkake: you just need a macbook and a fedora << and a leaden stomach

22:50:55 mircea_popescu: uh. what do you think arbitrage means ?

22:51:21 asciilifeform: note that, e.g. oil rig men get $200K+

22:51:29 pankkake: why? because of starbucks coffees?

22:51:34 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not for doing stuff on reddit tho

22:51:35 MarieLynn: You keep living in a cheap place a reap the benefits of working in a place where they pay more for talent.

22:51:59 mircea_popescu: MarieLynn mno. that's getting a good remote job.

22:52:01 pankkake: maybe I should have left for an oil rig

22:52:23 asciilifeform: dealing in redditronics ought to earn a hazard pay, like soviet workers in the far north

22:52:40 asciilifeform: in fact... it sorta does.

22:52:41 mircea_popescu: pankkake i hear you gotta be a fag to man an oil rig.

22:53:08 pankkake: so it's like an union thing

22:53:09 asciilifeform: gotta be a fag to man an oil rig << it's not a nuke sub. they rotate the crew occasionally.

22:53:59 MarieLynn: My other friend in Saskatchewan says construction workers are impossible to find because the mines pay too high :)

22:54:17 asciilifeform: i'm still at a loss as to why gigantic server farms aren't built, in, say, alaska

22:54:21 fluffypony: hah hah

22:54:26 fluffypony: "Tradefortress has no room to bash anyone else besides Karpeles, Pirate, or maybe Mr. NEOBEE, Danny Brewster. Everyone else, small-time scammers included, would be better company at this point."

22:54:29 asciilifeform: or the very same miners.

22:55:00 MarieLynn: My boyfriend beats people up for a living but there are few people in Montreal who are tough enough for his classes.

22:55:01 asciilifeform: 'yeah we're short on cabling, the men delivering had to shoot their dogs'

22:55:04 mircea_popescu: MarieLynn arbitrage is the buying and selling of the same one asset (either natural or synthetic) in different markets that are divergent. so in order to arbitrage skills, you'd have to first buy them. skills aren't commodities however, and so this "arbitrage your skills" is just hipster talk.

22:55:33 MarieLynn: I shall never use it again in your presence then

22:55:41 mircea_popescu: lol ty.

22:56:02 mircea_popescu: tbh i was expecting something more along the lines of "wtf is a synthetic"

22:56:08 asciilifeform: you can get machine racks in shipping containers. drop them straight on the snow, connect to power plant, put a bit of concertina wire around.

22:56:25 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so your dc sinks ten feet each summer ?

22:56:49 asciilifeform: i bet they float just fine.

22:57:01 mircea_popescu: how do you find them again if they float ?

22:57:10 asciilifeform: radio?

22:57:13 mircea_popescu: ;;google otters holding hands.

22:57:13 gribble: Otters holding hands - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epUk3T2Kfno; Otterly adorable: Dozy otters hold hands while taking a nap so they ...: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2421731/Otterly-adorable-Dozy-otters-hold-hands-taking-nap-dont-drift-apart-sleep.html; Sea otter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_otter

22:57:25 asciilifeform: or that.

22:57:28 bounce: the offshoring brokers are in a sense arbitraging skills

22:57:29 asciilifeform: anchor.

22:57:42 benkay: who's this MarieLynn ?

22:57:44 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, i know the daughter of the guy that designed fucking buildings there. it's insanely expensive, you have to anchor i nthe permafrost.

22:57:55 mircea_popescu: benkay see teh log, she actually properly introduced herself.

22:57:57 pankkake: benkay: use the WoT, m8

22:57:59 asciilifeform: ammonal is expensive now?

22:58:11 benkay: ;;gettrust MarieLynn

22:58:12 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask MarieLynn!4a74bfc2@gateway/web/freenode/ip. Trust relationship from user benkay to user MarieLynn: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=MarieLynn | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=MarieLynn | Rated since: Fri May 2 14:21:45 2014

22:58:28 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform listen, for your average "rich american" 10 cubic meters of cement are expensive.

22:58:33 asciilifeform: lol

22:58:37 mircea_popescu: don't go telling me about how a 200 meter long pike is nothing.

22:58:48 asciilifeform: average american will not be hosting in the klondike, agreed.

22:59:48 mircea_popescu: bounce yeah, something like that, perhaps.

23:00:30 asciilifeform: almost certainly good ROI though if you factor cooling.

23:00:43 mircea_popescu: up until some derps come to confiscate your cattle

23:00:50 asciilifeform: lol

23:00:52 mircea_popescu: because your cooling is endangering the spotted ice shrimp

23:00:58 asciilifeform: let them confiscate hot reactor.

23:01:22 benkay: lol MarieLynn your website has an obama quote? is that...are you...what even ams, yo

23:01:27 mircea_popescu: you're going to erect an atmosphere-cooled, unauthorised nuclear reactor in alaska ?

23:01:32 mircea_popescu: and they say i'm wild.

23:01:49 mircea_popescu: benkay she's a canadian, she's entitled to vote for obama.

23:02:05 asciilifeform: i bet they've got one in norilsk as we speak.

23:02:19 mircea_popescu: nah. they'd have blown it by now.

23:02:28 mircea_popescu: not even actual experts can run the shit russians make.

23:03:02 mircea_popescu: it's like java on rails for nuclear physicists.

23:03:20 fluffypony: http://i.imgur.com/6IwIdeZ.png

23:03:22 MarieLynn: Benkay I put it there for fun, I just met him casually about 22 years ago with his mom :)

23:03:34 asciilifeform: herr orlov had a piece, where he 'what if concert pianos sometimes exploded'

23:03:44 asciilifeform: 'how many serious pianists left'

23:03:48 MarieLynn: I still haven't asked the museum archivist to tak out the note he wrote in the guestbook. Barrie!

23:03:50 benkay: "java on rails for nuclear physicists" << lulzlozlozwlw

23:05:31 mircea_popescu: MarieLynn how;'s the guy';s mom like ?

23:05:41 mircea_popescu: the red us press was making her sound like a monster recently.

23:06:24 MarieLynn: She seemed very aloof. She was busy looking at this http://www.seminairedequebec.org/photos/Maquette-du-site-du-Seminaire-au-Musee-de-l-Amerique-francaise_gp267438.html

23:06:58 MarieLynn: Obama is a surprising person. Freakishly thin. Very 'rememberable'

23:07:46 mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete "non-delfationary " is what ?

23:09:15 benkay: MarieLynn: what brought you in here?

23:09:29 mircea_popescu: "Berkshire quarterly profit hurt by weather, insurance"

23:09:33 mircea_popescu: mwahahaha suffer bitch.

23:10:10 MarieLynn: I was walking on this steet called Twitter and BitcoinPete picked me up!

23:10:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16950 @ 0.00096627 = 16.3783 BTC [-] {2}

23:10:43 bounce: easy street, no

23:11:03 MarieLynn: Usually when I participate in these things I wind up wioth an annoying stalker so I haven't been in IRC for over a decade.

23:11:03 fluffypony: BingoBoingo: http://i.imgur.com/T7sPGDX.jpg

23:11:25 fluffypony: uh I know MarieLynn, gribble stalks me all the time

23:11:27 FabianB: MarieLynn: your red wordpress emergency button is leading to "No Results Found"

23:11:27 fluffypony: gribble: stalker.

23:11:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31472 @ 0.00096538 = 30.3824 BTC [-] {2}

23:11:40 BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Amazing how that actually fits history

23:11:53 MarieLynn: Damn PasswordBox always changing my fields! Thanks for the heads up.

23:12:16 artifexd: <mircea_popescu> it's like java on rails for nuclear physicists. << lol & bashed

23:12:19 Namworld: Trendon was such a retard... "Herp derp, I'm going to run a ponzi scheme and just use spend everything directly on all my personal accounts."

23:12:26 mircea_popescu: ^

23:12:41 Namworld: and sold 85000 BTC for like 2 bucks each after trading losses...

23:12:55 mircea_popescu: btw, http://complex.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2014/05/01/the_military_s_top_spy_will_be_a_woman

23:12:59 Namworld: Looks like most was returned to "investors"

23:13:20 mircea_popescu: that chick's actually smart, too.

23:13:33 Namworld: Wow, so much work and trouble for just 165k USD

23:13:47 fluffypony: Namworld: yeah I was expecting more

23:14:07 Namworld: I never saw those numbers... this is absurd.

23:15:00 fluffypony: but he did have the good fortune of many back rubs

23:16:37 fluffypony: csshih: https://www.yahoo.com/tech/the-triatholight-a-300-hour-flashlight-that-seems-too-84489515654.html <- thoughts?

23:18:10 csshih: fluffypony, really

23:18:33 csshih: holy shit 32 led bulbs with a massive 20,000 mcd?!

23:18:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14300 @ 0.00096474 = 13.7958 BTC [-] {2}

23:19:01 bounce: you can get whatwasit 100 hours out of a single aa... but it won't be much light.

23:19:25 csshih: yeah it's a boatload of advertising bullshit


23:19:48 mircea_popescu: add some blades.

23:20:02 fluffypony: bounce: absolutely - on my ZebraLight SC51s I can do 4 days at ~3 lumens

23:20:16 fluffypony: csshih: I thought you'd enjoy it :)

23:20:19 csshih: fluffypony, check out the zebraligh sc52

23:20:28 fluffypony: csshih: I know - it's time for an upgrade

23:20:37 csshih: it can do 3 months.. grated at 0.01 lumens LOL

23:20:49 csshih: but OMG 2000 hours

23:20:55 fluffypony: csshih: I'm sure I mentioned to you the other day 1 of my SC51s has grown legs, gah

23:20:55 bounce: or the lri proton pro, or a host of other high-end flashlights

23:21:03 csshih: haha

23:21:04 csshih: oops

23:21:10 csshih: yeah the lri is nice, but it's dated

23:21:19 bounce: can't get'em here

23:22:02 MarieLynn: LEDs hurt my eyes... Can't...

23:22:05 bounce: all I have is a photon II, came as a giveaway. guy had a sack full of'em, when in yurp they cost 20 euro a piece.

23:22:06 fluffypony: bounce: http://www.illuminationsupply.com

23:22:22 csshih: yikes

23:22:33 csshih: oh yeah that's my shop, thanks fluffypony

23:22:45 fluffypony: bounce: you should pester csshih for a coupon code :-P

23:23:10 bounce: still a continent away

23:23:28 fluffypony: they do international shipping, yo

23:23:31 csshih: ya

23:23:40 fluffypony: on the Photon topic tho

23:23:45 assbot: [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 500 @ 0.00021725 = 0.1086 BTC [+]

23:23:46 fluffypony: the ReX was an amazing piece of kit

23:23:46 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

23:23:49 mircea_popescu: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bmo3q9yCEAA-LtT.jpg

23:23:51 fluffypony: so glad I still have mine

23:23:53 mircea_popescu: check out the drop.

23:24:06 fluffypony: with solar and USB chargers

23:24:20 bounce: dramatic. what's dropping?

23:24:23 fluffypony: just a pity that you have to strip it and waterproof it yourself

23:24:35 csshih: what am I looking at

23:24:44 MarieLynn: yeah writing too small

23:25:07 fluffypony: bounce: at the top left you can see it says "Misutyusri QU530YT -RR"

23:25:08 fluffypony: duh.

23:25:11 dignork: BingoBoingo: you asked for openbsd build instructions for bitcoin 7.x: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/1a8deaffc95d102a2dbc

23:25:49 bounce: I'd not've made that out hadn't you told

23:26:03 thestringpuller: MarieLynn: New Year.s Resolution = Use AirBnB. a lot! << @_@ coincidentally I just had the worst rental experience of my life with them

23:26:10 bounce: sudoitis on openbsd. phail.

23:26:20 thestringpuller: if the owners where in WoT i would be neg rating them right now

23:26:22 fluffypony: ;;google Misutyusri QU530YT -RR

23:26:22 bounce: curl? CURL?

23:26:23 gribble: No matches found.

23:26:29 fluffypony: lawl

23:26:52 dignork: bounce: curl vs. wget?

23:27:03 mircea_popescu: bounce t yields.

23:27:07 fluffypony: openbsd doesn't come with wget preloaded

23:27:10 MarieLynn: What happened <+thestringpuller>

23:27:11 bounce: at least freebsd has "fetch" in base, dunno what openbsd does there

23:27:32 thestringpuller: hmm that didn't highlight for me

23:27:45 MarieLynn: I suck at IRC, educate me :)

23:27:48 thestringpuller: ;;google site:trilema.com lets have fun with paul graham

23:27:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07444265 = 0.1489 BTC [+]

23:27:50 gribble: Let's have fun with Paul Graham pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: http://trilema.com/2012/lets-have-fun-with-paul-graham/; Decembrie 2012 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: http://trilema.com/2012/12; Fata morgana II, or don't you just hate it when you come up with an ...: http://trilema.com/2014/fata-morgana-ii-or-dont-you-just-hate-it-when-you-come-up-with-an- (1 more message)

23:28:07 BingoBoingo: dignork: well, I made the offer to some kid, but post or pm address

23:28:10 fluffypony: bed time noa, cheers

23:28:15 thestringpuller: http://trilema.com/2012/lets-have-fun-with-paul-graham/#comment-99322 << MarieLynn

23:28:24 MarieLynn: Good night Fluffy!

23:28:42 BingoBoingo: ;;rate dignork 1 found an opportunity to make a useful thing

23:28:43 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user dignork has been recorded.

23:29:35 bounce: doesn't openbsd have a port for bitcoind, by the by?

23:29:52 mircea_popescu: ok sorry for the abstruse earlier image. it's the yield of us treasury bonds, 30 years, traded in japan

23:30:21 bounce: right. why'd that drop all of a sudden? start of the avalanche?

23:30:42 mircea_popescu: stocks are also eating the gains.

23:30:43 BingoBoingo: bounce some pieces of software you want to build from source.

23:31:08 MarieLynn: <+thestringpuller> That sucks. My last AirBnB in Toronto had a kleptomaniac cat... Other than that, good experiences so far.

23:31:38 mircea_popescu: MarieLynn thestringpuller i think there may be a strong difference based on location. airbnb may work a lot better outside of the us than inside.

23:31:57 bounce: what's with the wholesale quoting? o_O?

23:32:07 mircea_popescu: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bmp51XUCIAEc8KW.jpg:large << warren buffett now associating with... wait for it... with ginsu knives.

23:32:17 thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: How about a Yankees game?

23:32:27 bounce: BingoBoingo: even then ports is the right place to store the compilation instructions

23:32:30 mircea_popescu: if he starts doing jay leno and roger/cathylee i'll weep

23:32:43 bounce: that is more or less why the thing exists

23:33:11 BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Maybe?

23:33:19 MarieLynn: I look at AirBnB in Moscow and St-Petersburg and the places in St-P. are palacial and the stuff in Moscow is dinky... Wonder what it will be like.

23:34:20 mircea_popescu: im pretty sure it's palatial.

23:34:47 BingoBoingo: bounce: Sure, but sometimes you gotta be able to reproduce something in a different way. It may not be the most right way.

23:35:37 bounce: well, if there isn't a port then this is as good a point as any to cook one up

23:36:04 MarieLynn: Okay, I only want palatable :P

23:36:53 bounce: heh, tritium glow fobs. apparently they're made somewhere near here but you can't buy'em. can buy'em in the uk but only if you live there due to transport regulations and shit

23:36:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 600 @ 0.00096812 = 0.5809 BTC [+]

23:37:05 mircea_popescu: get a load of this fucktard :

23:37:07 mircea_popescu: Noah Rothman Hungary, first member of the Warsaw Pact to slough off the bonds of communism, most resistant to Russ sanctions pic.twitter.com/L9B0sdPhzx

23:37:07 mircea_popescu: Mircea Popescu @NoahCRothman O look, Romania not included. Because everyone else EXCEPT Romania had troops in Odessa, amirite ? #irrelevantidiocy

23:37:07 mircea_popescu: Noah Rothman @Mircea_Popescu not sure what you're getting at. Finland not included either. Are you suggesting Romanian operatives active in Ukr?

23:37:23 mircea_popescu: so... he doesn't understand what i'm getting at. because FINLAND was also omitted.

23:37:27 bounce: commie bonds? what's the yield on that?

23:37:43 mircea_popescu: o, what relevancy could omitting all the people against have on an article discussing "the only people against" ?

23:37:54 mircea_popescu: bounce syphilis.

23:38:29 bounce: you wish.

23:38:49 bounce: could perchance do an ideology market thingy

23:39:09 bounce: (biggest yield: irony)

23:41:35 mircea_popescu: unintentional irony crits

23:41:37 mircea_popescu: > 9k.

23:42:12 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bitcoinpete i'm told by my obviously bored intel that in point of fact 1,045 yo made some chick "the oldest living protoss"

23:42:12 gribble: The operation succeeded.

23:48:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47524 @ 0.00096422 = 45.8236 BTC [-] {3}

23:49:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17810 @ 0.00096359 = 17.1615 BTC [-] {2}

23:49:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.07439009 = 0.5951 BTC [-]

23:50:02 thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: come on everyone loves a yankee's game

23:50:35 BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Well, I think they are actually coming out here this year, some time. I dunno when though.

23:51:41 thestringpuller: where u @

23:52:17 BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: St Louis-ish

23:52:41 thestringpuller: i haven't been to MO since 2011

23:52:46 thestringpuller: damn

23:52:50 thestringpuller: how time flies..

23:53:13 BingoBoingo: Yeah

23:54:52 thestringpuller: I'll send you some crypto mail soon and we'll have a BTC game day.

23:55:50 BingoBoingo: Cool.