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00:02:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 84 @ 0.0052 = 0.4368 BTC [-]

00:08:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27368 @ 0.00087813 = 24.0327 BTC [-] {3}

00:10:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 136 @ 0.00210761 = 0.2866 BTC [-] {4}

00:11:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1233 @ 0.00008163 = 0.1006 BTC [-] {5}

00:14:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 60 @ 0.00320008 = 0.192 BTC [-] {4}

00:14:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 86 @ 0.00512069 = 0.4404 BTC [-] {3}

00:17:35 kakobrekla: F.MPIF: Panacea: 2014.05; http://dpaste.com/20PK1PV.txt

00:20:47 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Looks like we might have to call it 200 satoshis

00:21:19 mircea_popescu: makes sense.

00:21:25 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla, what's it mean to mpif ?

00:21:41 mircea_popescu: a ty

00:21:54 kakobrekla: i dunno

00:22:28 kakobrekla: you gave me 150 now you have 150.47241

00:23:31 mircea_popescu: yep

00:24:53 kakobrekla: dpaste is not permanent however so perhaps this needs to go someplace else

00:27:08 mircea_popescu: prolly ya.

00:27:10 mircea_popescu: start a blog!

00:27:56 mircea_popescu: anyway, f.mpif may performance, 4.42419221, a little over 1%. 0.5ish of it went to cover for last month's misrepresentation of atc, leaving a little 1% clear.

00:28:43 kakobrekla: how about you include it in mpif statement?

00:29:34 mircea_popescu: aite ima drop it as a comment on bottom

00:33:02 bloctoc: does the 1% go to NAV calculation immediately?

00:33:20 mircea_popescu: hm ?

00:33:26 mircea_popescu: jurov, i see you +0.3 btc or so.

00:39:06 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That car anology explains sucinctly why I stay with automatic transmissions. I respect the limits of my ability to control a motor vehicle and anything that reliably saves me cogitive overhead is welcome.

00:39:42 *: BingoBoingo also has never had a car without automatic headlights...

00:41:13 kakobrekla: eh? i dont even think about gears when driving

00:41:21 kakobrekla: comes natural after a while

00:42:01 BingoBoingo: gears become a hassel when you share the road with American drivers

00:42:15 kakobrekla: you havent been in italy

00:42:43 kakobrekla: possibly only india could be worse

00:43:31 kakobrekla: something like this

00:43:32 kakobrekla: http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--2NHBRO1I--/i67fdhj2pizumpy94fnk.gif

00:43:39 kakobrekla: cant find the one i had in mind.

00:44:14 mircea_popescu: omfg who are these idiots

00:45:04 BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: My concern is more the rural roads where I'll be cruising and then an old person in a buick or fucking red neck in a tractor interupts me.

00:48:12 kakobrekla: BingoBoingo once you get a hang of it its not more complicated than breaking

00:48:38 kakobrekla: do you have the breaks on auto as well?

00:49:22 penguirker: New blog post: http://fraudsters.com/2014/fmpif-may-2014-statement/

00:49:27 BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Yeah, but when you are barreling down an open rural highway and half to slow to 20km/h because fucking tractors you need to save mental energy for cursing and obscene gestures

00:49:48 BingoBoingo: clutch wastes a foot, shifter wastes a hand

00:50:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36400 @ 0.00087693 = 31.9203 BTC [-] {4}

00:54:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00087693 = 4.1216 BTC [-]

00:55:10 BingoBoingo: ;;rate driving -1 scam

00:55:11 gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.

00:56:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.23010433 BTC [-]

00:57:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.23010592 BTC [+]

00:59:33 BingoBoingo: %diff

00:59:35 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 455357.13 Est. Next Diff: 152857.38 in 5 blocks (#32256) Est. % Change: -66.43

01:00:30 BingoBoingo: For people who want firepower and a $200 colonoscopy http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/st-louis-police-to-auction-gangland-era-tommy-guns-to/article_e44a4553-e50f-5ec4-ab9c-3cfb3e9ecf65.html

01:09:10 benkay: whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa

01:09:22 benkay: if you're not in control of the gearbox, you're not driving the machine

01:09:54 benkay: in the same way that if you're relying on an Object Relational Model to talk to your database, you're not actually writing data to your data store.

01:10:16 benkay: that layer of abstraction in between you and the machine is going to either give you a headache down the road or you're not going to get the performance the machine is capable of

01:10:36 benkay: with an ORM you'll inevitably find yourself writing raw SQL.

01:11:02 benkay: and with an automatic transmission you're limited to "GIVE ME ALL THE FAST RIGHT NOW...please."

01:11:34 benkay: that demonic AI in between you and the gearbox will prevent you doing anything to burn fuel at a rate sufficient to eke performance out of the thing.

01:11:51 kakobrekla: <benkay> with an ORM you'll inevitably find yourself writing raw SQL. <- depends, but in most cases generally not specific to anyone, perf is not an issue

01:12:23 benkay: *shrug*

01:12:32 benkay: for 90% of derpy web apps, an orm is entirely adequate.

01:12:48 thestringpuller: Damn BingoBoingo, i feel the same exact way

01:12:51 thestringpuller: fucking driving

01:12:52 kakobrekla: even for your mobile apps.

01:13:15 benkay: a significant chunk of the remaining apps are going to get popular and have load requirements that rendering the abstraction layer insufferable.

01:13:28 benkay: well, especially for mobile apps - in my experience most of the data is local to the phone

01:13:46 benkay: that render*

01:13:54 BingoBoingo: benkay: Well automatic transmission is less gearbox and more hydaulic slush box

01:14:15 benkay: i'm familiar, BingoBoingo

01:14:31 benkay: there are still gears, however.

01:14:34 benkay: you're talking about the clutch.

01:15:14 benkay: "torque converter"

01:21:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 17 @ 0.09 = 1.53 BTC [-] {2}

01:21:37 benkay: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=336876.msg6814414#msg6814414

01:21:37 assbot: BITEASY.com | Fast Blockchain Explorer | TESTNET | REST API | WEBSOCKETS API |

01:21:43 benkay: so who are the blockchain-as-a-service providers?

01:21:47 benkay: blockchain.info

01:21:50 benkay: blockr.io

01:21:57 benkay: biteasy.com

01:22:08 benkay: why is there no -assets bc-a-a-s provider?

01:22:21 benkay: DO I HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING MYSELF?!

01:22:55 benkay: ;;gettrust Transisto

01:22:56 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user Transisto: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=Transisto | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Transisto | Rated since: never

01:23:02 benkay: !up Transisto

01:23:06 benkay: hey boss how it is

01:23:49 benkay: Transisto: ^^

01:33:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.069 = 0.138 BTC [-] {2}

01:34:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.06875002 = 0.1375 BTC [-] {2}

01:35:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.0655 = 0.1965 BTC [-]

01:35:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17650 @ 0.00087599 = 15.4612 BTC [-] {4}

01:39:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 6 @ 0.05480166 = 0.3288 BTC [-] {2}

01:41:38 TomServo: After having driven automatic transmissions all my life and buying an older land cruiser, I have to say driving a manual really is a pleasure.

01:41:45 TomServo: I'm annoyed having missed out on it this long.

01:44:52 benkay: it's a joy to pick a point on the performance curve.

01:59:37 BingoBoingo: http://modernfarmer.com/2014/05/food-politics-pokemon/

01:59:38 assbot: The Food Politics of Pokmon - Modern Farmer

02:00:27 thestringpuller: !ticker m f.mpif

02:00:27 assbot: [MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00021726 / 0.00021726 / 0.00021726 (9529 shares, 2.07 BTC), 30D: 0.0002155 / 0.00021724 / 0.00021726 (120653 shares, 26.21 BTC)

02:07:09 BingoBoingo: http://www.cnet.com/news/why-are-sony-and-samsung-keeping-4k-content-to-themselves/

02:07:10 assbot: Why are Sony and Samsung keeping 4K content to themselves? - CNET

02:08:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1700 @ 0.0008785 = 1.4935 BTC [+]

02:09:22 thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: you have my hours

02:09:36 BingoBoingo: ?

02:09:54 thestringpuller: lol WOW

02:09:57 thestringpuller: i just cannot talk right

02:10:01 thestringpuller: i must be autistic or something

02:10:15 BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Prolly the heat

02:10:27 thestringpuller: Damn. I feel like you're using telepathy on me.

02:11:28 BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Nah, the midwest and south aren't too different this time of year other than the particulars that make the heat and humidity suck

02:14:23 penguirker: New blog post: http://fraudsters.com/2014/smg-may-2014-statement/

02:19:49 BingoBoingo: The statements are just flying today

02:28:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.0008785 = 11.5084 BTC [+]

02:30:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24000 @ 0.00087866 = 21.0878 BTC [+] {2}

02:39:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 43 @ 0.21318728 = 9.1671 BTC [-] {6}

02:43:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 199 @ 0.00210022 = 0.4179 BTC [-] {5}

02:45:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2488 @ 0.00087561 = 2.1785 BTC [-]

03:06:15 benkay: muahaha

03:06:49 benkay: on the menu this week: charred corn crepes and long-marinated pastor

03:07:34 BingoBoingo: Sounds delicious

03:11:25 decimation: mircea_popescu: "the pitch of despair of the Franks and the Goths and whatever other barbarians by far and quite widely exceeded the bitterness of actual Roman Romans " So you are saying that Argentina is roughly upper Germania ca. 700? Sounds legit.

03:13:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20850 @ 0.00087561 = 18.2565 BTC [-]

03:31:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16466 @ 0.00087559 = 14.4175 BTC [-] {2}

03:40:21 Mats_cd03: lol biteasy is written in clojure

03:41:48 kakobrekla: what is biteasy

03:42:31 benkay: and mongo

04:00:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.21 BTC [-]

04:00:23 Mats_cd03: clojure is a vulnerable mess

04:00:33 Mats_cd03: cool features though

04:01:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16385 @ 0.0008762 = 14.3565 BTC [+]

04:01:11 nubbins`: so essentially it's like a chick with a bunch of piercings

04:02:59 Mats_cd03: like ym

04:04:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.21 BTC [-]

04:05:49 BingoBoingo: Looks like the BitBet propositions cue is filling up after hanbot's statement

04:12:04 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

04:12:11 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 640.0, vol: 22030.74759333 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 628.746, vol: 17125.44899 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 640.6, vol: 31036.24563128 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 642.0, vol: 40.68878697 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 645.123798, vol: 8361.91820000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 632.0, vol: 30.69610392 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 647.268873, vol: 128.12878104 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)

04:12:12 BingoBoingo: ;;more

04:12:12 gribble: 638.34298799

04:12:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.20999 BTC [-]

04:14:08 BingoBoingo: !jd mpif

04:14:08 assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 167.05686104 BTC; -0.11497239 BTC (-0.0688%) since last check 13h 31m 22s ago.

04:22:46 thestringpuller: what's the overall ROI on jd mpif account?

04:24:41 BingoBoingo: I think they started with 150 BTC, but I'm not exactly sure.

04:25:49 BingoBoingo: I have a feeling mike_c already curses the existence of f.mpif

04:26:02 thestringpuller: wherefore?

04:26:26 BingoBoingo: Or maybe it's 160 they started with

04:26:33 BingoBoingo: http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2014/a-new-investment-fund/

04:26:34 assbot: A New Investment Fund - Btc Alpha

04:27:25 BingoBoingo: http://deadspin.com/blackhawks-twitter-account-tells-mexican-president-to-f-1584615115

04:27:25 assbot: Blackhawks Twitter Account Tells Mexican President To Fuck His Mother

04:29:06 thestringpuller: LOL

04:30:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19075 @ 0.00087578 = 16.7055 BTC [-] {3}

04:31:29 nubbins`: bingo lel

04:31:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.209999 BTC [+]

04:37:55 asciilifeform: re: truecrypt audit touching none of the interesting stuff: i thought this was well-known.

04:39:18 benkay: <Mats_cd03> clojure is a vulnerable mess // specifics?

04:39:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22408 @ 0.0008748 = 19.6025 BTC [-] {4}

04:40:05 asciilifeform: Mats_cd03, benkay: jvm.

04:43:23 thestringpuller: nubbins` i needs more arts

04:47:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23600 @ 0.00087985 = 20.7645 BTC [+] {3}

04:49:59 BingoBoingo: Headed to bed, but I'll just suppose now... Maybe the most important May fraudsters http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-instrumentation-of-humanity/

04:50:00 assbot: The instrumentation of humanity pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

05:00:01 benkay: Mats_cd03: got tunes?

05:02:46 nubbins`: oh hi

05:02:52 thestringpuller: ;;google shadows childish gambino

05:02:53 gribble: Childish Gambino – II. shadows Lyrics | Rap Genius: http://rapgenius.com/Childish-gambino-ii-shadows-lyrics; CHILDISH GAMBINO LYRICS - Shadows - A-Z Lyrics: http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/childishgambino/shadows.html; Childish Gambino - Shadows (Directed by : Lizzy Ashliegh) on Vimeo: http://vimeo.com/83596978

05:03:00 nubbins`: who was asking about shirts

05:03:04 nubbins`: http://imgur.com/jmcSFTx

05:03:04 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

05:03:40 nubbins`: can't figure out a way to get the channel name + freenode in there without making it look like something you bought at a convention

05:03:45 nubbins`: s/bought/were given

05:04:00 nubbins`: but it has a certain mystique as-is

05:04:19 thestringpuller: looks like bitcoin-assets is due for it's own icon?

05:04:24 thestringpuller: logo

05:04:25 thestringpuller: etc.

05:06:26 asciilifeform: re: conundrum from last night: i did find out who was the original maker of ferroresonant transformers - which the box that hummed under classical soviet tvs was copied from.

05:06:35 asciilifeform: outfit called 'SOLA.' still exists.

05:08:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48200 @ 0.00087438 = 42.1451 BTC [-] {5}

05:09:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.21 = 0.63 BTC [+]

05:15:10 asciilifeform: e.g. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sola-Constant-Voltage-Transformer-Harmonic-Neutralized-Ferroresonant-Conditioner-/281051274263?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item416ff61c17

05:15:12 assbot: Sola Constant Voltage Transformer Harmonic Neutralized Ferroresonant Conditioner | eBay

05:17:16 nubbins`: thestringpuller http://imgur.com/pQbnKox

05:17:16 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

05:17:18 nubbins`: keep it simple

05:18:14 asciilifeform: apparently i should've asked 'audiophile' fanatics.

05:18:19 asciilifeform: they knew.

05:19:20 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu this'd be the pill against your smoking hdd controllers, as i gather.

05:19:21 gribble: The operation succeeded.

05:19:40 kakobrekla: audiophiles will say such transformers are ewww

05:19:58 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: on account of the 'bzzzz' or other reason ?

05:20:07 kakobrekla: other

05:20:14 asciilifeform: curious then

05:20:28 asciilifeform: why?

05:20:56 kakobrekla: hrm ill try to find the link

05:23:01 nubbins`: ;;sell 1 "Unofficial #bitcoin-assets t-shirt" @ 25 USD "Worldwide shipping included. http://imgur.com/jmcSFTx"

05:23:01 assbot: imgur: the simple 404 page

05:23:01 gribble: Order id 20669 created.

05:25:34 nubbins`: can add PGP fingerprint to the back for an extra $5 if people want

05:25:45 kakobrekla: asciilifeform apparently they worry about capacitance

05:26:00 kakobrekla: asciilifeform if you want some snake oil video that presumably explains this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ic1DnQ7Uoyw

05:26:00 assbot: Core Audio Technology: Audiophile Power Conditioners + Kenai - YouTube

05:35:20 kakobrekla: not saying this is legit, more saying you shouldnt listen to audiophiles whent it comes down to elect

05:35:51 asciilifeform: listened to it. screw audophiles. bought 'Sola EPC 210-60.'

05:36:03 nubbins`: pseudoscience abounds at the edge of science and consumerism

05:37:18 asciilifeform: 30kg of ferroresonant pleasure.

05:37:31 kakobrekla: your needs are also different.

05:37:54 asciilifeform: just tired of snow crashing pc when neighbours turn on their electric chairs (or whatever it is they've got in basement)

05:38:22 kakobrekla: where dafuq do you live?

05:39:23 kakobrekla: plot twist, ascii is the gasenwagon driver.

05:39:41 asciilifeform: lol

05:39:56 asciilifeform: moves into a small house. previously in a flat, where no such problem.

05:39:59 asciilifeform: go figure.

05:40:24 kakobrekla: why do you dislike the ups?

05:40:42 asciilifeform: ups is relay-based. it does entirely nothing except if mains cuts out for 200 msec or so.

05:40:53 asciilifeform: i've one, like everybody else

05:40:58 kakobrekla: or if it drops a bit

05:41:05 kakobrekla: or if it goes over

05:41:10 asciilifeform: for 200msec.

05:41:24 asciilifeform: does nothing against little spikes

05:41:40 asciilifeform: for that you need a soviet-style massive 1:1 transformer

05:41:50 kakobrekla: 200 cant be rigth

05:42:03 asciilifeform: sure it can. wondering why pc doesn't die in 200msec?

05:42:11 asciilifeform: massive capacitors in dc power supply.

05:42:20 kakobrekla: johnnyguru had a nice test of this

05:42:29 asciilifeform: ?

05:42:30 kakobrekla: how long does it take for various psu to die

05:42:43 assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 567 @ 0.00211298 = 1.1981 BTC [+] {2}

05:42:47 kakobrekla: like half of them didnt live up to atx spec

05:42:55 asciilifeform: who surprised? not me.

05:44:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 62 @ 0.0235 = 1.457 BTC [-] {2}

05:46:00 kakobrekla: blah cant find the link

05:48:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.20148987 BTC [-]

05:51:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.20104256 BTC [-]

05:52:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.20104213 BTC [-]

05:55:29 kakobrekla: ok maybe it wasnt johnnguru

05:55:32 kakobrekla: http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2011/09/21/what-is-the-best-600w-psu/14

05:55:32 assbot: Efficiency and Hold-Up Time | bit-tech.net

05:55:39 kakobrekla: >Recorded Hold-up time. ATX spec recommendation: 17ms

05:55:48 kakobrekla: see them go from 15 to 35

06:18:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1800 @ 0.00088113 = 1.586 BTC [+]

06:18:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.20134277 BTC [+]

06:22:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.00088113 = 9.0756 BTC [+]

06:31:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00087835 = 10.8915 BTC [-] {2}

06:39:17 jurov: <mircea_popescu> [00:33:27] jurov, i see you +0.3 btc or so. << so i should value fmpif position at current offering sell price?

06:46:16 jurov: benkay: have you tried sqlalchemy? as soon as one needs to create query programmatically, it's much better than gluing together sql strings

06:46:38 benkay: sqlalchemy's just about makes it doable

06:47:12 benkay: saved me a lot of work recently with simple stuff that works-as-expected like lazily moving the cursor through huge tables integrated with list comprehension in python

06:48:38 benkay: sqlalchemy's like an orm-factory dsl

06:49:25 benkay: i guess i've just had really shitty experiences in picking up a lot of orm/database tangles

06:57:10 benkay: random_cat_: get together again on Tuesday? i'll stick around this time, i promise

06:58:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.02360001 = 0.2832 BTC [+]

07:01:15 xmj: yup

07:03:42 jurov: asciilifeform, you say there are no truly online ups on the market (where batteries are always connected to an inverter)?

07:06:23 jurov: nubbins`: does it have bitcoin-assets mention anywhere? but that's prolly up to me to explain heh

07:13:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12650 @ 0.00087886 = 11.1176 BTC [+] {2}

07:18:37 jurov: ;;ticker

07:18:38 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 625.0, Best ask: 627.4, Bid-ask spread: 2.40000, Last trade: 627.79, 24 hour volume: 22979.84884463, 24 hour low: 613.03, 24 hour high: 683.26, 24 hour vwap: 645.011183151

07:18:45 jurov: ;;bc,stats

07:18:47 gribble: Current Blocks: 303781 | Current Difficulty: 1.0455720138484837E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 304415 | Next Difficulty In: 634 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 14 hours, 27 minutes, and 16 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 11339302655.0 | Estimated Percent Change: 8.45071

07:21:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 15 @ 0.02999997 = 0.45 BTC [+] {3}

07:27:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13603 @ 0.00088115 = 11.9863 BTC [+] {2}

08:29:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10124 @ 0.00087829 = 8.8918 BTC [-]

08:38:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00087829 = 14.3161 BTC [-]

08:46:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19250 @ 0.0008786 = 16.9131 BTC [+] {2}

08:58:52 fluffypony: LOL!

08:58:54 fluffypony: "Maybe Kumala could ask for usagi's help, I heard he's quite good with online wallets."

08:58:59 fluffypony: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=632487.msg7082550#msg7082550

08:59:00 assbot: WARNING: Crypto::stocks currently not allowing withdrawals

08:59:02 fluffypony: pure gold

09:01:09 jurov: gonna ask surda how he's going to write off the loss according to austrian accounting standards, if this gets full gox

09:07:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00087711 = 17.5422 BTC [-] {3}

09:10:54 fluffypony: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=623147

09:10:54 assbot: [ANN][CLAM] CLAMS > Proof-Of-Chain > @AGX.io

09:11:15 fluffypony: "1. Run clam-qt.exe once to auto-magically create the AppData/Clam folder.

09:11:16 fluffypony: 2. Copy the BTC, LTC or DOGE wallet.dat file into the AppData/Clam folder.

09:11:16 fluffypony: 3. Run clam-qt.exe with the --salvage wallet argument.

09:11:16 fluffypony: OPTIONAL: Enjoy your share of free CLAMS"

09:11:31 fluffypony: so basically, hand your privkeys over, and we promise we'll give you CLAMS

09:16:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 380 @ 0.0761436 = 28.9346 BTC [-] {24}

09:21:38 fluffypony: nubbins`: t-shirts look good, why not put "#bitcoin-assets // freenode" on the back?

09:22:08 xmj: make it american apparel, they have good shirts

09:22:41 fluffypony: has anyone played around with hamsterdb as an embedded keyvalue store?

09:22:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3632 @ 0.00087656 = 3.1837 BTC [-]

09:33:07 mircea_popescu: !up ET__

09:37:48 ET__: hello

09:38:05 ET__: thanks for voicing me

09:38:07 Naphex: regarding truecrypt shutdown, most of the posts regarding it have the same comments, in slightly different writeing spanned across most top posts :o

09:39:00 mircea_popescu: sure.

09:39:09 mircea_popescu: Naphex, you noticed that too huh ?

09:39:24 Naphex: yep

09:39:30 mircea_popescu: usg contractors are getting shittier each year.

09:39:58 mircea_popescu: pretty soon it'll be like soviet government official soap.

09:40:05 mircea_popescu: people use it as an abrasive.

09:40:32 Naphex: heh

09:40:40 Naphex: looks like the same systems the use for elections

09:40:49 mircea_popescu: yup

09:41:07 mircea_popescu: which is exactly why it's so multistupid : not only it fails for its intended purpose,

09:41:23 mircea_popescu: but it allows cheap diagnosis of the means available for a critical process.

09:48:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 544 @ 0.00048879 = 0.2659 BTC [+] {3}

09:51:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00087671 = 8.3287 BTC [+]

09:52:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.2289618 = 0.4579 BTC [+] {2}

09:54:47 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell decimation well, the DC part of argentina's "washington dc" is roughly the size of france. it's a huge country. as such, it's upper germania, illyricum, syria, v

09:54:47 gribble: The operation succeeded.

09:55:47 mircea_popescu: nubbins`: so essentially it's like a chick with a bunch of piercings << dude that\s tje best description of clojure i ever heard, and you don't even code.

09:56:00 xmj: LOL

09:56:04 mircea_popescu: not for lack of trying, either.

09:56:08 xmj: amazing.

09:56:08 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

09:56:17 *: xmj highfives assbot

09:56:48 mircea_popescu: the curse of neckbeards, to be so fucking incapable of expression that it's upon the innocent bystanders to describe their situation, hopes and aspirations, spiritual being.

09:57:35 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: I think they started with 150 BTC, but I'm not exactly sure. << started with 50 then got another 113.change

10:05:29 assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 304 @ 0.00214648 = 0.6525 BTC [+]

10:06:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.22899966 = 1.374 BTC [+] {2}

10:07:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.229 = 1.374 BTC [+]

10:11:04 mircea_popescu: nubbins`:

10:11:04 mircea_popescu: ;;sell 1 "Unofficial #bitcoin-assets t-shirt" @ 25 USD "Worldwide shipping included. http://imgur.com/jmcSFTx << you can make it official, what. :D

10:11:04 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

10:11:05 gribble: Error: No closing quotation

10:16:27 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: plot twist, ascii is the gasenwagon driver. << wait i thought ascii was mpoe-pr

10:18:35 mircea_popescu: jurov:<mircea_popescu> [00:33:27] jurov, i see you +0.3 btc or so. << so i should value fmpif position at current offering sell price? << i've used the 30day average. seems reasonable valuation for a held security, but it's not mandatory, you can value whichever way you think reasonable.

10:19:02 mircea_popescu: this being the advantage of having multiple minds involved, for the public, and this is what a liberal profession is : you get to make calls.

10:20:24 jurov: yes, 30d is reasonable. only had some idea, that maybe we need somthing more stable

10:20:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 35 @ 0.02992857 = 1.0475 BTC [-] {3}

10:20:51 jurov: since mpif holding itself...

10:21:08 jurov: will fix the stmt

10:21:12 mircea_popescu: well you can use the nav too, just, obviously three weeks in the 3 week old nav is kinda off.

10:21:35 jurov: ic

10:21:42 mircea_popescu: !jd mpif

10:21:43 assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 167.00174924 BTC; -0.05511180 BTC (-0.0330%) since last check 6h 7m 35s ago.

10:21:48 jurov: !t m f.mpif

10:21:48 assbot: [MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00021726 / 0.00021726 / 0.00021726 (9529 shares, 2.07 BTC), 30D: 0.0002155 / 0.00021724 / 0.00021726 (120653 shares, 26.21 BTC)

10:22:15 jurov: 0.00021724 is it then

10:22:56 mircea_popescu: jurov:

10:22:57 mircea_popescu: gonna ask surda how he's going to write off the loss according to austrian accounting standards, if this gets full gox <<< keep me posted lol

10:23:39 mircea_popescu: "I almost listed something on Cryptostocks, but think I will wait and reassess before I do. What we need as a community is to not accept these low standards of service. "

10:24:04 mircea_popescu: translation : "everyone else should put some work into making sure i don';t need to put any work or thought into doing anything i feel like doingt"

10:24:15 mircea_popescu: you can spot a us citizen a mile away by the way their brain stinks.

10:24:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17176 @ 0.00087777 = 15.0766 BTC [+] {3}

10:25:33 fluffypony: lol

10:26:04 fluffypony: speaking of "community", I had a charming conversation with my wife yesterday during the 4000 BTC dump

10:26:11 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla, http://stats.bitcoin-assets.com/ << doi the graphs stop like a week ago ?

10:26:11 assbot: #bitcoin-assets stats

10:26:23 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

10:26:24 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 633.84, Best ask: 634.82, Bid-ask spread: 0.98000, Last trade: 634.81, 24 hour volume: 23570.14428586, 24 hour low: 613.03, 24 hour high: 683.26, 24 hour vwap: 644.972670427

10:26:30 fluffypony: she: "why doesn't someone just make a post and say that nobody must sell Bitcoin under $700, and then it will go up over $700?"

10:26:31 mircea_popescu: dump that did nothing, incidentally.

10:26:44 mircea_popescu: fluffypony, lol didja link her to mine ?

10:26:56 fluffypony: which one?

10:27:12 mircea_popescu: ;;google fraudsters bitcoin not worth 100 stop buying

10:27:13 gribble: People! Bitcoin is not worth 100+ dollars per. STOP BUYING! - fraudsters: http://fraudsters.com/people-bitcoin-is-not-worth-100-dollars-per-stop-buying; MPOE, March 2013 Statement pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea ...: http://fraudsters.com/mpoe-march-2013-statement; Bitcoin pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/category/bitcoin/

10:28:32 fluffypony: nice, sending that to her now

10:28:45 mircea_popescu: ;;google fraudsters in which noobs learn lessons

10:28:46 gribble: In which noobs learn lessons and pay for the privilege pe fraudsters ...: http://fraudsters.com/2013/in-which-noobs-learn-lessons-and-pay-for-the-privilege/; The EVE online noob guide. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/the-eve-online-noob-guide; Bitcoin pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/category/bitcoin/

10:28:49 mircea_popescu: send her that, too.

10:31:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00087841 = 10.7166 BTC [+]

10:32:59 jurov: http://explo.yt/post/2014/06/01/F.MPIF-May-2014-marketmaker-statement updated, should be final

10:32:59 assbot: F.MPIF May 2014 marketmaker statement - serialized delusions

10:33:59 fluffypony: I love how the title ends with "serialized delusions"

10:34:03 fluffypony: makes for much confidence :-P

10:34:14 mircea_popescu: serialized title.

10:39:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8850 @ 0.00087671 = 7.7589 BTC [-]

10:45:53 jurov: i can always switch it to "The First And Only Exclusive Coolness" shit

10:49:56 mircea_popescu: biggest.

10:50:03 mircea_popescu: don't forget biggest, somehow this matters.

10:50:15 nubbins`: jurov, fluffypony: could have optional "#bitcoin-assets / freenode" etc on the back. i'll skip it for mine :D

10:50:17 fluffypony: and best, please

10:50:29 mircea_popescu: i have no idea why exactly, as mike_c aptly pointed out size and especiallyu outsize is the worst enemy of good financials,

10:50:40 mircea_popescu: but somehow the kids that dream themselves ceos really like BIGGEST

10:50:56 fluffypony: ok nubbins` better idea - how about on the back you put "First. Biggest. Only. Best. Exclusive."

10:51:39 mircea_popescu: or for that mannter Firnly. Biggsive. Onest. Best. Exclusest.

10:51:47 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: best description of a vulnerable mess with cool features you ever heard, too. this is because i both used to be into chicks with bunches of piercings, and also write code

10:52:11 mircea_popescu: o, in your youth like ?

10:52:50 nubbins`: hey now, i'm only 32 ;(

10:53:18 nubbins`: ;;view

10:53:20 gribble: #20669 Mon Jun 2 01:22:41 2014 nubbins` SELL 1.0 Unofficial #bitcoin-assets t-shirt @ 25 USD (Worldwide shipping included. http://imgur.com/jmcSFTx)

10:53:54 nubbins`: ;;remove 20669

10:53:54 gribble: Order 20669 removed.

10:54:24 nubbins`: ;;sell 1 "OFFICIAL #bitcoin-assets t-shirt" @ 25 USD "Worldwide shipping included. Optional '#bitcoin-assets / freenode' text on back. http://imgur.com/jmcSFTx"

10:54:24 assbot: imgur: the simple 404 page

10:54:24 gribble: Order id 20670 created.

10:54:34 *: nubbins` dusts hands

10:55:17 nubbins`: ;;calc 25/[ticker --last]

10:55:19 gribble: 0.0394004822619

10:55:25 nubbins`: a bargain at twice the price

10:55:37 mircea_popescu: 4 bitcents a shirt?

10:56:08 nubbins`: i know, right?

10:56:36 fluffypony: ok nubbins`

10:56:41 mircea_popescu: it's almost like we're back in victoria's time

10:56:49 fluffypony: I'll take 6 - 4 for me, 2 for the wife. how do I order?

10:56:51 nubbins`: this time last year, i was selling friedcat shirts for ~0.14 btc

10:56:54 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell moiety hey would you like a shirt ?

10:56:55 gribble: The operation succeeded.

10:58:30 nubbins`: 6! let me get you a shipping discount

11:01:32 nubbins`: ;;calc 130/[ticker --last]

11:01:33 gribble: 0.20643767964

11:01:41 nubbins`: fluffypony: ^ to 1TDaWh3MDibweoNaEjAAT8YHG3QmoBXqG

11:02:04 fluffypony: 7cfc61ea75971566fda5a86626581b3dfd47d10aeb87bfff043b22c385b54d6c

11:02:22 fluffypony: let me pm you sizes and address

11:02:26 nubbins`: tyvm, please do

11:04:21 xmj: does anyone in the SEPA zone want to accept fiat and ship me a shirt to estonia?

11:05:04 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell moiety also, do you want to ship some shirts to people ?

11:05:06 gribble: The operation succeeded.

11:06:31 xmj: Thank you

11:08:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1500 @ 0.00010992 = 0.1649 BTC [+] {2}

11:10:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.029999 = 0.12 BTC [+]

11:22:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27100 @ 0.00087591 = 23.7372 BTC [-] {3}

11:30:49 nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/yield-to-the-moose-wildlife-expert-urges-1.2661131

11:30:50 assbot: 'Yield to the moose,' wildlife expert urges - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News

11:31:35 mircea_popescu: women only or both genders ?

11:31:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24766 @ 0.00087484 = 21.6663 BTC [-]

11:32:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9084 @ 0.00087436 = 7.9427 BTC [-]

11:35:28 nubbins`: generally both genders

11:35:54 nubbins`: even the strength of a man is no match for the mighty moose!

11:35:58 nubbins`: ;D

11:49:23 penguirker: New blog post: http://fraudsters.com/2014/bitbet-may-2014-statement/

11:57:14 nubbins`: so i found a copy of the first canadian pressing of bob dylan's first album

11:57:27 nubbins`: and the stickers are on the wrong sides of the record :0

11:57:29 nubbins`: http://i.imgur.com/LCtD4vJ.jpg

11:57:43 danielpbarron: <+nubbins`> jurov, fluffypony: could have optional "#bitcoin-assets / freenode" etc on the back. i'll skip it for mine :D << i'd like one too if it has #bitcoin-assets on it somewhere

11:57:53 nubbins`: compare matrix stamp XSM-55621 (side 1) vs label text XSM-55622 (side 2)

11:58:53 nubbins`: danielpbarron: no sweat, i'm doing the same for fluffypony

11:59:06 nubbins`: ;;calc 25/[ticker --last]

11:59:07 gribble: 0.0396831695741

11:59:09 nubbins`: ^ to 1TDaWh3MDibweoNaEjAAT8YHG3QmoBXqG

11:59:51 danielpbarron: gonna have to get back to you on payment; didn't realize it was that ready to go

12:01:47 nubbins`: heh. well i'm not printing them today or anything

12:02:08 nubbins`: i'll probably do up the screens in the next day or so, and keep 'em around for a week or two

12:15:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1050 @ 0.00087436 = 0.9181 BTC [-]

12:18:49 asciilifeform: ;;later tell jurov: online (inverter always running) ups exists.

12:18:50 gribble: The operation succeeded.

12:18:57 asciilifeform: ;;later tell jurov: $10k or so.

12:18:57 gribble: The operation succeeded.

12:19:58 asciilifeform: truecrypt... ...same comments, ... top posts << this is SOP

12:21:03 Mats_cd03: benkay: http://www.lispcast.com/clojure-web-security

12:21:04 assbot: Clojure Web Security | LispCast

12:22:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0838899 = 0.4194 BTC [+]

12:27:25 Mats_cd03: https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/clojure/qUk-bM0JSGc

12:27:26 assbot: Google Groups

12:30:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24200 @ 0.00087521 = 21.1801 BTC [+] {3}

12:31:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10589 @ 0.00087747 = 9.2915 BTC [+]

12:34:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10973 @ 0.00087412 = 9.5917 BTC [-] {3}

12:36:18 asciilifeform: http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/lewis-katz-media-and-sports-mogul-dead-in-massachusetts-fireball-plane-crash-1.2661059

12:36:19 assbot: Lewis Katz, media and sports mogul, dead in Massachusetts 'fireball' plane crash - World - CBC News

12:36:23 asciilifeform: ^ 'can also have problems'

12:43:00 artifexd: nubbins`: Address and amount for 2 t-shirts please. No #bitcoin-assets on the back. 1 XL. 1 S.

12:44:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 60 @ 0.00239643 = 0.1438 BTC [-]

12:45:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15942 @ 0.00087366 = 13.9279 BTC [-]

12:45:41 nubbins`: ;;calc 45/[ticker --last]

12:45:42 gribble: 0.0714285714286

12:45:55 nubbins`: ^ to 1TDaWh3MDibweoNaEjAAT8YHG3QmoBXqG

12:47:21 artifexd: I rounded up to 0.07142858. Will PM you the physical address.

12:47:26 nubbins`: tyvm!

12:50:35 artifexd: Sent: http://blockr.io/tx/info/97dd81417ddc33ca8bd6ba8d6b3cce0faf8ca45deaf98e53cd03e020a496ac2c

12:51:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00087562 = 6.9174 BTC [+]

12:52:31 mircea_popescu: !up newar

12:53:19 mircea_popescu: wait, what ?!

12:53:29 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot newar

12:53:30 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Newar!~Newar@27-142-145-94.rev.home.ne.jp. Trust relationship from user assbot to user newar: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=newar | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=newar | Rated since: Mon Jun 4 19:36:39 2012

12:53:36 nubbins`: !down Newar

12:53:39 nubbins`: ;(

12:53:46 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla, didja break assbot ?!

12:53:47 nubbins`: WHAT HAVE YOU DONE

12:54:49 fluffypony: http://www.bornrich.com/lunch-date-ben-bernanke-70500.html

12:54:50 assbot: A Lunch Date with Ben Bernanke for $70,500 | Bornrich

12:55:40 pankkake: can I give him bills I printed myself?

12:58:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11550 @ 0.00087782 = 10.1388 BTC [+] {2}

13:01:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00087792 = 9.7449 BTC [+]

13:02:09 Apocalyptic: you can try giving him some bernancoins

13:05:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.029999 = 0.12 BTC [+]

13:07:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10713 @ 0.00087675 = 9.3926 BTC [-]

13:11:16 nubbins`: imagine paying seventy thousand dollars to sit with a man for an hour

13:11:29 fluffypony: yeah

13:11:36 fluffypony: when you can just come here and spend time with me for free

13:11:39 fluffypony: I mean come on

13:11:40 fluffypony: :-P

13:11:46 nubbins`: nod

13:11:57 nubbins`: for those who like the deluxe, you can spend time with me for 1btc/hour

13:12:11 nubbins`: limited time only, one per customer per day

13:13:13 fluffypony: hah hah

13:22:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00087845 = 13.0011 BTC [+] {3}

13:28:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.081 = 0.162 BTC [-] {2}

13:28:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.0280001 = 0.112 BTC [-] {2}

13:34:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15610 @ 0.00087507 = 13.6598 BTC [-] {3}

13:38:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4097 @ 0.00087906 = 3.6015 BTC [+]

13:47:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07700011 = 0.154 BTC [-] {2}

13:47:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 166 @ 0.00194697 = 0.3232 BTC [-] {6}

13:54:24 ThickAsThieves: Mornin'

13:54:44 fluffypony: ThickAsThieves

13:54:50 fluffypony: did you receive 800 BTC by accident?

13:54:53 fluffypony: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/273vi2/if_you_just_received_800_bitcoin_out_of_the_blue/

13:54:53 assbot: If you just received 800 Bitcoin out of the blue, it was from me : Bitcoin

13:55:19 ThickAsThieves: lol

13:55:36 asciilifeform: 'the sapper errs once.'

13:55:45 pankkake: "Mystery solved: this is a MtGox address. You sent 300 to it one year ago

13:55:45 fluffypony: "Mystery solved: this is a MtGox address. You sent 300 to it one year ago

13:55:46 fluffypony: ae1332a4-f3c0-4805-89d4-396387e7a96e,8c71169c-c0b2-46a8-97c8-8940cf2bb89a,"2013-04-16 18:37:04",deposit,300

13:55:46 fluffypony: So. I guess my goxcoins just became 800/202000 = 0.4% more worth. Thanks buddy."

13:56:14 pankkake: that happened to me with another fail-exchange, an european one I forgot the name of

13:56:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15903 @ 0.00087933 = 13.984 BTC [+]

13:56:22 pankkake: but I eventually got it back

13:56:33 nubbins`: 2010s, the decade of the paste-fail

13:56:49 pankkake: that's what made me change clients

13:57:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 82 @ 0.07552442 = 6.193 BTC [-] {7}

13:57:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.229 = 0.687 BTC [+]

14:00:43 jurov: asciilifeform here they say typical ransfer time 4ms and that's just cheapest 60euro turd: http://eu.cyberpowersystems.com/products/ups_systems/value/value1000eilcd.htm

14:00:45 assbot: UPS Backup | Power Supply | Emergency Power Systems CyberPower Systems, Inc.

14:01:08 jurov: online units for servers are just few hundred euros

14:01:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.07431927 = 1.1891 BTC [-] {4}

14:01:28 jurov: i'm curious where did you get the 200ms figure from

14:03:08 jurov: my flat seems to be wired directly to elevator, psu did survive the surges, but lcd flickered

14:03:21 jurov: even cheapo ups solved that completely

14:05:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.229 BTC [+]

14:09:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 16 @ 0.24265837 = 3.8825 BTC [+] {5}

14:10:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.24259337 = 1.213 BTC [-] {3}

14:11:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.245691 = 2.9483 BTC [+] {3}

14:12:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.2469 = 1.2345 BTC [+]

14:15:41 mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> imagine paying seventy thousand dollars to sit with a man for an hour << i can see that. what i can';t see is... bernanke ? srsly ?

14:16:26 jurov: what was the assassination market bounty? isn't cheaper to kill him?

14:16:59 mike_c: heh. I *tried* to verify the fund's balances :) http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2014#691453

14:16:59 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

14:17:46 mircea_popescu: mike_c, still dones't wash ?

14:18:08 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/this-is-me-being-completely-spaced-out/#comment-100653 << check out my fangirl.

14:18:09 assbot: This is me being completely spaced out pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

14:18:13 mike_c: i haven't tried again since new report, still catching up

14:18:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3650 @ 0.00087679 = 3.2003 BTC [-] {2}

14:21:59 nubbins`: mircea_popescu, not sure if Ellie Kesselman or ELIZA Kesselman

14:27:57 nubbins`: http://www.businessinsider.com/hunter-s-thompson-on-finding-meaning-2014-5

14:27:57 assbot: Hunter S. Thompson On Finding Meaning - Business Insider

14:28:04 nubbins`: maybe the most lucid article BI has published thus far

14:29:11 mike_c: a straight republishing of someone else's work. that's one way to improve their site.

14:30:54 mircea_popescu: i thought its eliza

14:32:37 mike_c: of course, BI managed to make it worse by adding their own emphasis to things.

14:33:07 mike_c: like hunter s. thompson needs fucking BI to improve his writing.

14:33:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13900 @ 0.00087324 = 12.138 BTC [-] {2}

14:40:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.00087317 = 14.4946 BTC [-] {2}

14:45:13 nubbins`: i know right

14:45:22 nubbins`: "this letter could use some editorial emphasis"

14:45:37 jurov: !up belcher

14:45:46 jurov: !up lolstate

14:46:08 jurov: !up daybyter

14:46:29 jurov: !up lnostdal

14:46:39 daybyter: thanks!

14:46:52 jurov: daybyter it's only for 30mins

14:47:06 daybyter: I know... :-(

14:47:50 jurov: Sabastan, nope. stop going in and out

14:51:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 9 @ 0.05805537 = 0.5225 BTC [+] {4}

14:53:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13950 @ 0.00087553 = 12.2136 BTC [+]

14:54:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25300 @ 0.00087242 = 22.0722 BTC [-] {2}

15:06:22 Naphex: so tired of coding lately, damn you burnout syndrome!

15:09:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.0008716 = 11.7666 BTC [-] {3}

15:09:42 *: jurov shots a knowing glance to Naphex

15:16:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9292 @ 0.00087157 = 8.0986 BTC [-]

15:31:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.21313505 = 1.2788 BTC [-] {4}

15:32:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6050 @ 0.00087553 = 5.297 BTC [+]

15:34:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.21625548 BTC [+]

15:35:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.21625758 = 0.4325 BTC [+]

15:36:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.21625758 BTC [+]

15:37:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2162576 BTC [+]

15:39:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 83 @ 0.00374214 = 0.3106 BTC [+] {4}

15:40:26 mike_c: ^ ouch.

15:41:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.21625791 BTC [+]

15:41:06 mike_c: ;;calc (0.0055 - 0.00374) / 0.0055

15:41:06 gribble: 0.32

15:41:43 mike_c: ;;calc (0.0075 - 0.00374) / 0.0075

15:41:43 gribble: 0.501333333333

15:41:58 mike_c: 32% loss for ipo investors, 50% for 2po.

15:42:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.21625791 BTC [+]

15:42:09 pankkake: had to remember I ignore havelock trades

15:42:37 pankkake: it looked like you were talking about MPOE

15:42:47 pankkake: that's why ignores are not practical on IRC :(

15:43:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 40 @ 0.004 = 0.16 BTC [+]

15:43:20 mike_c: heh. how can you ignore havelol? it's more fun than the forums.

15:43:35 pankkake: too much noise

15:45:52 mike_c: ;;seen the20year

15:45:53 gribble: the20year was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 weeks, 4 days, 23 hours, 15 minutes, and 34 seconds ago: <the20year> Corn oil sells locally for $3.25/gal

15:46:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.21625791 BTC [+]

15:46:47 pankkake: is it down in USD terms?

15:46:59 pankkake: because it's clear it was never a btc investment

15:48:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [MS] 158 @ 0.001352 = 0.2136 BTC [+] {2}

15:48:34 mike_c: !t h rent

15:48:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00320000 / 0.00369319 / 0.00450000 (227 shares, 0.83835347 BTC), 7D: 0.00280000 / 0.00412473 / 0.00546990 (1556 shares, 6.41807687 BTC), 30D: 0.00280000 / 0.005765 / 0.00710000 (7225 shares, 41.65208891 BTC)

15:48:54 moiety: hullo!

15:48:59 fluffypony: OLA

15:49:03 fluffypony: how goeth the phone line?

15:49:37 moiety: very quiet but i have been back and forth this past couple days fluffypony got my keys yesterday so been taking cars of things through

15:49:43 fluffypony: ah ok

15:49:48 fluffypony: for the sexperiment

15:49:53 fluffypony: sorry - sex weeks show

15:50:00 moiety: ;;later tell mircea_popescu tshirts?

15:50:00 gribble: The operation succeeded.

15:50:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.20600007 = 1.236 BTC [-] {3}

15:50:21 moiety: fluffypony: lol yup. i'm a bit scared. it's a lot bigger than i remember it.

15:50:36 mike_c: pankkake: ipo USD/share: $0.33, 2po: $0.345, current: $0.227

15:50:39 moiety: how is everyone here?

15:51:03 pankkake: well, ouch

15:51:24 pankkake: ;;view #20670

15:51:24 gribble: Error: No orders found matching these criteria.

15:51:26 pankkake: ;;view 20670

15:51:28 gribble: #20670 Mon Jun 2 06:54:03 2014 nubbins` SELL 1.0 OFFICIAL #bitcoin-assets t-shirt @ 25 USD (Worldwide shipping included. Optional '#bitcoin-assets / freenode' text on back. http://imgur.com/jmcSFTx)

15:51:59 Apocalyptic: mike_c, $0.227 is 50% of $0.345 ?

15:52:37 pankkake: he was talking btc wise

15:53:31 Apocalyptic: oh I see

15:55:45 danielpbarron: if payment is expected in BTC, it might make more sense to put the "otherthing" quantity in as "25/{bitstampask}"

15:56:04 nubbins`: can i do that

15:56:09 danielpbarron: ya

15:56:20 nubbins`: ;;sell 1 widget @ 25/{bitstampask} BTC "testing"

15:56:21 gribble: Order id 20671 created.

15:56:26 nubbins`: ;;view 20671

15:56:28 gribble: #20671 Mon Jun 2 11:56:00 2014 nubbins` SELL 1.0 widget @ 0.03981 BTC (testing)

15:56:31 nubbins`: huh.

15:56:32 danielpbarron: :)

15:56:42 nubbins`: ;;remove 20761

15:56:42 gribble: Error: No orders found to remove. Try the 'view' command to view your open orders.

15:56:45 nubbins`: ;;remove 20671

15:56:46 gribble: Order 20671 removed.

15:57:03 nubbins`: ;;remove 20670

15:57:03 gribble: Order 20670 removed.

15:57:29 nubbins`: ;;sell 1.0 OFFICIAL #bitcoin-assets t-shirt @ 25/{bitstampask} BTC "Worldwide shipping included. Optional '#bitcoin-assets / freenode' text on back. http://imgur.com/jmcSFTx"

15:57:29 assbot: imgur: the simple 404 page

15:57:29 gribble: Error: '#bitcoin-assets' is not a valid price input.

15:57:38 nubbins`: ;;sell 1.0 "OFFICIAL #bitcoin-assets t-shirt" @ 25/{bitstampask} BTC "Worldwide shipping included. Optional '#bitcoin-assets / freenode' text on back. http://imgur.com/jmcSFTx"

15:57:38 assbot: imgur: the simple 404 page

15:57:39 gribble: Order id 20672 created.

15:57:43 nubbins`: ;;view 20672

15:57:45 gribble: #20672 Mon Jun 2 11:57:18 2014 nubbins` SELL 1.0 OFFICIAL #bitcoin-assets t-shirt @ 0.03981 BTC (Worldwide shipping included. Optional '#bitcoin-assets / freenode' text on back. http://imgur.com/jmcSFTx)

15:57:52 *: nubbins` dusts hands

15:57:56 nubbins`: thanks for the tip!

16:00:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.19831909 BTC to 9`141 shares, 24049 satoshi per share

16:02:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 40 @ 0.02438999 = 0.9756 BTC [+]

16:07:23 asciilifeform: jurov: the 200ms figure was taken from actual measurement of an ancient ups i owned several years ago. i can easily believe 4ms with solid-state relays, in modern unit. still does nothing against small transients.

16:08:19 asciilifeform: jurov: 'online' ups was costly last i priced it (for 1kW+. the tiny things are worthless in my setup) and rather inefficient (~60%)

16:08:54 asciilifeform: jurov: plus, ferroresonant monster gets 25+ years of lifetime, vs. the laughable 3 or 4 modern semiconductor-based ups is good for.

16:09:35 jurov: no issue with that :)

16:12:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07997213 = 0.1599 BTC [+]

16:12:46 nubbins`: so pascale had this dream last night where she decided that she'd like to get a large dick sewn onto our female cat

16:13:01 nubbins`: had a consultation with the vet, chose a nice model

16:13:25 nubbins`: then later telephoned the vet to discuss the particulars

16:13:50 nubbins`: vet says "je préfère parler en français au téléphone"

16:14:07 nubbins`: p responds "ah, d'accord" and continues discussion

16:14:12 nubbins`: strange woman

16:14:43 fluffypony: lol

16:16:36 asciilifeform: nubbins`: obligatory: http://everything2.com/title/I+knew+I+couldn%2527t+build+a+cat

16:16:37 assbot: I knew I couldn't build a cat - Everything2.com

16:19:15 nubbins`: heh

16:21:57 nubbins`: "Today Apple makes an OS announcement --- I say we flood social media & news with questions about why they are anti-tech & anti Bitcoin"

16:22:02 nubbins`: palm, meet face

16:22:33 nubbins`: consider that as far as feature implementation goes, apple is relatively conservative

16:26:08 nubbins`: they'll allow bitcoin apps if/when the point is reached where idiots can use it without saying "???"

16:26:22 mod6: lol

16:26:30 mod6: oops

16:27:34 jurov: !up Sebastan

16:27:37 fluffypony: nubbins`: yeah, I think they may also want to avoid the issue they've had with kids spending thousands on in-app purchases

16:27:55 jurov: !up jordandotdev

16:27:58 fluffypony: can you imagine - someone will be like "someone broke into my phone with my pin code and stole my bitcoin, I'm going to sue apple"

16:28:00 jurov: !up kermit

16:28:18 jurov: !up ericmuyser

16:28:29 jurov: !up darlidada

16:28:44 jurov: !up diatnic

16:28:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.23232937 = 1.1616 BTC [+] {3}

16:28:48 jurov: !up diatonic

16:29:56 nubbins`: yep

16:30:14 nubbins`: well, they sorta fixed that around the time the smurfs game came out

16:30:41 nubbins`: "mom, can i download?" "ok" (mom enters password) HEY KIDS BUY SOME SMURF BERRIES (no password required because mom just authed)

16:30:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 22 @ 0.02350054 = 0.517 BTC [-] {3}

16:31:23 nubbins`: but "apple isn't ready for bitcoin" isn't how apple sees it

16:31:30 nubbins`: they see it as "bitcoin isn't ready for apple"

16:31:57 fluffypony: yep

16:32:14 fluffypony: I'm sure that at some point in the future they'll let you fund your iTunes account with Bitcoin

16:32:22 fluffypony: and PayPal will let you fund your PayPal account with Bitcoin

16:32:39 fluffypony: but atm I'm not convinced either party particularly cares about all the ranting on /r/bitcoin

16:33:02 nubbins`: nobody cares about that

16:33:22 nubbins`: "hey guise i'm the first hand-blown glass satanist dildo shop in the WORLD to accept bitcoin!"

16:36:43 kakobrekla: hi

16:36:47 kakobrekla: i broke assbot?

16:37:02 fluffypony: lol nubbins`

16:37:05 kakobrekla: possibly, i uninstalled half of the server by mistake.

16:37:27 fluffypony: also if I see another post that is by an American about how Africa is ready for Bitcoin I'm going to stab them in the face

16:39:11 nubbins`: africa unite!

16:39:35 nubbins`: they say that something like 90% of africans own an iphone

16:39:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7050 @ 0.00087671 = 6.1808 BTC [+]

16:40:16 fluffypony: yes, and the other 10% own an Android device

16:40:26 nubbins`: yep

16:40:28 fluffypony: plus bandwidth is free

16:40:30 nubbins`: nod

16:40:32 fluffypony: and all 3G

16:40:37 fluffypony: so it's ideal for Bitcoin

16:40:39 nubbins`: yeah, it's not just voice + sms

16:43:51 fluffypony: yeah

16:44:03 fluffypony: plus everyone is so familiar with mobile apps that it just makes sense

16:44:06 fluffypony: nobody uses cash here anyway

16:44:09 nubbins`: nah

16:44:14 nubbins`: here's a man in accra, paying cab fare with btc

16:44:18 nubbins`: http://imgur.com/ePGlnBp

16:44:19 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

16:44:48 nubbins`: he's using his phone's voice recognition capabilities to make the transaction

16:47:03 punkman: http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/inside-the-shadowy-world-of-high-speed-tennis-betting/

16:47:04 assbot: Inside the Shadowy World of High-Speed Tennis Betting | FiveThirtyEight

16:50:03 fluffypony: nubbins`: ah yes, "siri, pay the cab driver 0.005 BTC"

16:50:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00087753 = 9.7406 BTC [+] {3}

16:51:21 nubbins`: "certainly, daniel! shall i use the bitstamp BTC/GHS rate?"

16:51:37 fluffypony: HAH HAH

16:53:16 *: jurov is waiting for the eventual <fluffypony> HAR HAR

16:53:31 fluffypony: :)

16:54:01 fluffypony: yay WWDC time, I'm hoping for a Macbook Pro Retina that is the size of a Macbook Air and has 20 hour battery life

16:54:04 fluffypony: that will make me happy

16:57:16 jurov: and power density of TNT

17:00:19 pankkake: exploding macbooks, now that's something I'd like

17:01:00 Apocalyptic: pankkake, to give them ad gifts ?

17:01:02 Apocalyptic: *as

17:01:22 jurov: to bitcoin fundnation

17:01:45 pankkake: or as a way to reduce the hipster population

17:01:57 fluffypony: lol

17:05:32 jurov: !up tris

17:11:56 benkay: <Mats_cd03> benkay: http://www.lispcast.com/clojure-web-security // i read that quite a while ago. a few kinda boil down to 'don't be retarded'.

17:11:57 assbot: Clojure Web Security | LispCast

17:12:18 benkay: other major points are "don't allow users to see each others data!"

17:12:29 benkay: which i guess some people don't think about?

17:13:09 Mats_cd03: the frameworks don't look ready for production

17:13:21 benkay: dunno about frameworks man

17:13:24 Mats_cd03: jvm issues aside

17:13:26 pankkake: it doesn't seem especially related to clojure

17:13:31 benkay: big old .45 that always wants to point at your foot

17:14:09 benkay: jvm issues are unless i miss my read (which is possible and do correct me plz) along the lines of 'don't let people have access to your box and don't run java as a consumer'

17:14:44 xmj: speaking about frameworks

17:14:52 xmj: anyone here ever worked with haskell webframeworks?

17:15:22 kakobrekla: i hate frameworks so much i made my own.

17:15:30 kakobrekla: not with haskell though.

17:15:46 pankkake: lol, I always have a bad feeling of "own frameworks"

17:16:04 kakobrekla: bitbet uses it

17:16:17 pankkake: many companies say that, when the reality is that their code is YOLO style

17:16:44 benkay: YOYO

17:16:49 kakobrekla: yeah prolly

17:16:54 benkay: you only YOYO once

17:17:03 pankkake: I haven't tried haskell at all but it's definitively on my list of things to try out - perhaps the only one actually

17:17:20 benkay: i want types

17:17:31 benkay: is it a satoshi? is it a btc? WHO KNOWS

17:17:37 pankkake: many frameworks are more of a hassle to use than nothing, for sure

17:17:37 xmj: right after learning C.

17:17:48 mike_c: kakobrekla: what is bitbet written in?

17:17:56 Apocalyptic: PHP obv

17:17:58 kakobrekla: mhm

17:18:52 Naphex: ZF for php was more then decent

17:18:56 kakobrekla: anyway the fw that i made was first tested on smpake.com service and was made with btc in mind

17:19:16 kakobrekla: later on it was also used on bb.

17:19:17 mike_c: well, it was good enough for mtgox i guess.

17:20:01 kakobrekla: whats mpex written in? same.

17:21:20 Naphex: mike_c: i doubt ZF had anything to do with mtgox vulns

17:21:30 Naphex: but that custom php wallet software, jesus :]

17:21:42 kakobrekla: but right now im trying to implement some panacea models in newlisp

17:22:53 mike_c: Naphex: mtgox would have managed to suck in any language. i just feel bad for good programmers who somehow have ended up using php. probably the same as asciilifeform feels for all of us that don't use lisp.

17:23:20 Naphex: c'mon now lisp aint that cool

17:23:32 assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/19ZP4TB.txt )

17:23:32 benkay: !b 1

17:23:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00087967 = 11.1718 BTC [+] {2}

17:23:53 kakobrekla: Naphex> c'mon now lisp aint that cool < php dev said to python dev!?

17:24:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.0236 = 0.2124 BTC [+] {4}

17:24:46 mike_c: i'm starting to think it might be that cool. it's on my list to learn when i have a spare minute.. so who knows when.

17:25:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0237 = 0.1422 BTC [+]

17:26:58 benkay: it's just that cool.

17:27:07 Naphex: my huge problem with lisp its readability

17:27:18 benkay: i wrote a function last night that runs a job, every now and again

17:27:36 benkay: the signature looks like (process-deposits every-ten-minutes)

17:28:09 jurov: and the body is (if (leap year) give bonus)

17:28:30 mike_c: i used to agree about the readability, but i have recently seen some elegant looking lisp programs. and i used to think python was unreadable. so who knows.

17:28:48 Naphex: i don't doubt they exist

17:28:50 kakobrekla: jurov :D

17:29:07 Naphex: but picturing a 8-man dev team working on a project in lisp

17:29:22 Naphex: for lets say 3 years, enough that every programmer there is bored shitless

17:29:25 asciilifeform: mike_c: lisp (of whatever variety) without emacs (or quite similar auto-indenting editor) is unthinkable.

17:29:43 mike_c: i have heard you say that (and filed it away for my future research)

17:30:03 asciilifeform: mike_c: http://common-lisp.net/project/slime

17:30:03 assbot: SLIME: The Superior Lisp Interaction Mode for Emacs

17:30:07 benkay: its p true

17:31:00 Apocalyptic: since we're discussing functionnal languages what are you thoughts on Caml asciilifeform ?

17:31:17 asciilifeform: Apocalyptic: did some ocaml ages ago. not my cup of tea.

17:32:32 asciilifeform: mike_c: it wouldn't be too far off the mark to say that i like common lisp because 'slime' is possible for it, rather than vice-versa.

17:32:40 pankkake: %diff

17:32:43 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 178842.38 Est. Next Diff: 482603.27 in 1781 blocks (#34272) Est. % Change: 169.85

17:33:23 mike_c: i will certainly give it a try.

17:33:37 asciilifeform: Naphex: the readability and 'omg 111 parentheses' problems go away when you use an adult editor.

17:33:54 asciilifeform: e.g, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=295

17:33:56 assbot: Loper OS » Parentheses-Phobia Illustrated.

17:34:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00087644 = 9.5532 BTC [-] {2}

17:35:01 mike_c: ;;calc 482603*7000000

17:35:01 gribble: 3378221000000

17:35:08 Naphex: asciilifeform: its deffinetly better:D

17:35:27 mike_c: back to 3.4 th/s. must be pool-hoppers on atc.

17:35:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 100 @ 0.02438999 = 2.439 BTC [-]

17:38:34 Naphex: anyway all languages are just tools, use what fits best with you/your team, your hardware etc

17:38:57 Naphex: but just for lulz, i once saw a embeddec computer for public transportation, written in php :)

17:39:09 Naphex: so don't do that :)

17:40:19 Mats_cd03: must be nice to have that contract

17:40:35 Naphex: if you're wondering how is that possbile, it ran a browser in full screen on the front-end

17:40:50 Apocalyptic: so...ugly

17:40:51 Naphex: and had some php scripts running as daemons over sockets to emulate IPC and threads

17:41:42 Naphex: and using fopen('/dev/sttys*') to read serials and sh unix scripts with stty to setup serial ports

17:41:45 Naphex: lol

17:41:52 benkay: asciilifeform: haskell?

17:42:33 asciilifeform: benkay: not a fan. see v. sedach's explanation: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=401

17:42:34 assbot: Loper OS » Of Lisp Macros and Washing Machines

17:44:21 asciilifeform: benkay: and this reply to a reader asking about urbit (author of urbit was labouring under the same ill-conceived notions that produced haskell) - http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1390

17:44:23 assbot: Loper OS » Of Decaying Urbits.

17:44:32 diametric: asciilifeform: I've been meaning to ask you on your opinion of Go

17:45:21 asciilifeform: diametric: every so often, folks invent another 'ocaml' - compiled language with 'strong typing.' you lose the REPL - you lose me.

17:45:51 diametric: the people backing it are what have me intrigued

17:46:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.00087976 = 5.0146 BTC [+] {2}

17:46:18 asciilifeform: 'go' is funded by the same bozos who spend $billion on a company making GUI thermostats.

17:46:48 diametric: asciilifeform: it's also the brain child of Ken Thompson and Rob Pike

17:47:07 diametric: and go does have a repl

17:47:08 asciilifeform: yeah, the folks responsible for 35 years of static language well past sell by date

17:47:44 asciilifeform: it is important to understand what a proper repl consists of. i.e. a bash loop that repeatedly calls a compiler is not a genuine repl.

17:48:20 asciilifeform: you ought to be able to do 'who-calls' and other useful operations that need the machine to retain semantics of the original code

17:53:33 asciilifeform: people who design baroque contraptions (ml, haskell, ocaml, go - tradition) for 'smarter compiler' - that ends up grinding the original semantics of a program into incomprehensible soup - as if god came and said to mortals to use pdp-11 forever - are solving the wrong problem.

17:54:22 asciilifeform: it is possible - and has been done - to build cpu which executes high-level language more or less directly. but, given as i have an entire blog about this, i will omit the details here.

17:54:42 mod6: asciilifeform uses only opcodez

17:55:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00087982 = 11.5256 BTC [+]

17:55:51 asciilifeform: even on a very minimal machine, with a few kb of memory, it is possible to use a language like Forth - which preserves the semantics of the code, and has genuine repl.

17:56:37 asciilifeform: the distinction between source and object code is an evil thing, rather like leaded gasoline - ought to have gone away a generation ago.

17:57:55 asciilifeform: for anyone still following the conversation, see also http://www.loper-os.org/?p=256

17:57:57 assbot: Loper OS » Fourth Law of Sane Personal Computing

18:00:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17450 @ 0.00087972 = 15.3511 BTC [-]

18:01:55 asciilifeform: obligatory:

18:01:56 asciilifeform: http://www.maxfarquar.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Oh-Fuck.png

18:02:14 asciilifeform: ^ typical reaction of programmers when i try to explain all of this.

18:02:47 kakobrekla: :D

18:03:38 benkay: "but you can't possibly fix five decades of institutional lock-in!"

18:04:48 asciilifeform: i often ask people to read about edison's dc current idiocy, and contemplate what would have happened if he had 'won'

18:05:17 asciilifeform: (e.g. power station on every street corner, wall wiring as thick as your arm, etc)

18:05:28 asciilifeform: this was a very narrow escape.

18:06:29 benkay: capital requirements got in the way.

18:06:38 asciilifeform: situation was entirely analogous to the current one re: computing - in that the inferior technical solution would have been embraced readily by equipment makers, for whom the waste is a bonanza

18:07:12 asciilifeform: if westinghouse did not have similar strength and motivation to demolish the crap - we'd have been stuck with it.

18:10:33 asciilifeform: obligatory:

18:10:34 asciilifeform: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3141310154691952@naggum.no.html

18:10:35 assbot: Re: Is LISP dying? - Naggum cll archive

18:10:46 jurov: westinghouse had the presence of mind to compete on price, too

18:10:52 jurov: symbolics did not

18:11:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.10149192 BTC [+]

18:11:37 jurov: again, what if we had gorillas.cl instead of gorillas.bas ?

18:11:37 asciilifeform: jurov: smbx had perverse incentives (usg funding that appeared bottomless - until it died suddenly. reagan's 'star wars.')

18:11:45 asciilifeform: 'I remember someone saying that if it hadn't been for automatic switches in the telephone network, the entire population of planet earth would have had to be telephone operators to handle the load of telephone usage in 1993 or thereabout. I get the eerie feeling that because modern computer systems are so incredibly braindamaged in their design and in the tools used to program them, the entire population of pla

18:11:45 asciilifeform: net earth will be programming these idiotic boxes pretty soon if managers don't wise up to the fact that the equivalent of automatic switches already exist and have done so for at least 20 years.'

18:11:52 jurov: that did not happen because lispers had perverse incentives

18:12:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 100 @ 0.03000838 = 3.0008 BTC [+] {7}

18:12:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10947 @ 0.00087992 = 9.6325 BTC [+] {2}

18:12:41 jurov: and todays' kids learn computing on rpi and python, because whole setup is beneath lispers

18:13:46 jurov: why can't you just change rpi into lisp machine instead of all that complaining?

18:13:49 asciilifeform: jurov: python, ruby, etc. are, arguably, cheap 'soviet style' copies of common lisp. as admitted by, for example, matsumoto (author of ruby)

18:13:52 kakobrekla: kinda same story with thinking machines, darpa funding there.

18:14:11 asciilifeform: jurov: can you change a trabant into a toyota?

18:14:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 100 @ 0.03072497 = 3.0725 BTC [+] {7}

18:14:34 benkay: jurov: my plan is to give 'em emacs on a barebones bsd machine with an irc connection to chat with me

18:14:45 asciilifeform: jurov: you need entirely new silicon (type-aware cpu, hardware garbage collector, etc)

18:14:55 jurov: that's the attitude i'm taking about

18:15:07 jurov: give kids the toys and they will make it into silicone later

18:15:12 jurov: not the other way round

18:15:28 asciilifeform: jurov: we've been witnessing the failure of this approach for two decades now.

18:15:49 asciilifeform: here's an essay describing my hypothesis regarding why:

18:15:50 asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=55

18:15:51 assbot: Loper OS » You have made your bedrock, now lie in it.

18:15:56 jurov: i'm only withessing te failure of your approach so far

18:16:18 jurov: kids first learn Basic, Pascal, and C

18:16:25 asciilifeform: jurov: gotta distinguish market failure from technological failure.

18:16:33 jurov: then naturally live with it whole life

18:16:55 jurov: because no one is doing affordable and attractive lisp machines

18:17:10 jurov: how is it different?

18:17:19 asciilifeform: jurov: see the dc current historical example.

18:17:36 jurov: you did not say anything to my price argument

18:17:49 jurov: that ac power generation could be done cheaper

18:17:52 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

18:17:53 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 631.57, Best ask: 632.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.43000, Last trade: 632.0, 24 hour volume: 20574.38657010, 24 hour low: 613.03, 24 hour high: 683.26, 24 hour vwap: 637.537278288

18:18:01 jurov: lisp machines to date, were not done so.

18:18:28 jurov: because you "oh noes trabant" attitude

18:18:43 asciilifeform: jurov: my half-baked fpga prototype cost me about 500 usd. but picture, in my shoes, proposing that it be manufactured en masse, to an industrial magnate.

18:18:57 asciilifeform: 'who wants to buy this and why'

18:19:32 jurov: we have things like kickstarter now, no need to go through incumbents

18:19:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9031 @ 0.00088055 = 7.9522 BTC [+]

18:20:05 kakobrekla: those people invest in solar freaking roadways not lisp

18:20:17 asciilifeform: i've had this discussion with more people than i can count. and the only ones who 'grokked' the basic idea, were the ones who woke up to the realization that much of what we consider to be the 'inevitable' brokenness of computing infrastructure (ubiquitous bugs, e.g. buffer overflows, irreducible complexity of os, compilers) is anything but.

18:21:42 mircea_popescu: mike_c: like hunter s. thompson needs fucking BI to improve his writing. << where would hts be w/o bi!!1

18:21:46 asciilifeform: re: kickstarter: lol. suggested experiment: open a kickstart, with the headline 'pay my living expense for 20 years. in the end, you might get a useful gizmo if i live that long.'

18:21:58 jurov: yes it is inevitable if people who know better won't do anything for kids because they want 100% architectural purity without compromises

18:21:59 mike_c: srsly. he'd be unreadable without their editing

18:22:18 mircea_popescu: i hope they make an up to date version

18:22:21 diametric: asciilifeform: surprisingly the last 6 kickstarters i've done have all delivered

18:22:29 diametric: though i tend to vet them

18:22:30 mircea_popescu: i think he might have said nigger or something unsavoury like that at some point

18:23:09 asciilifeform: kickstarter works - when it works - for 'i want to make a bicycle drive shaft from hastalloy.' and other well-defined engineering problems.

18:23:21 jurov: what prevented OLPC to ship with lisp? "o noes trabant"

18:23:22 asciilifeform: for 'basic research' - not so much.

18:23:58 asciilifeform: jurov: olpc was a microshaft brainwashing project (admitted as much! hence why it shipped with an x86 turd instead of a cheaper risc cpu)

18:24:10 mircea_popescu: pankkake: is it down in USD terms? << for "2nd ipo" definitely. seems just about even for original ipo tho

18:24:25 asciilifeform: get the african kids started on winblows.

18:24:50 jurov: so you admit microsoft can do it, yet you cannot

18:25:01 asciilifeform: jurov: microshaft can do many things that i cannot.

18:25:26 asciilifeform: 'The Ogre does what ogres can, Deeds quite impossible for Man,...'

18:25:28 mircea_popescu: mike_c: pankkake: ipo USD/share: $0.33, 2po: $0.345, current: $0.227 << o wow srsly ? for some reason i had it in my head they started at a 25cents

18:26:56 mike_c: those were actually off by a factor of 10, but they all were so it doesn't really matter.

18:27:30 mike_c: ipo = 0.0055 BTC * 600 = $3.30

18:27:57 mike_c: now, 0.0036 * 630 = $2.27 per share

18:28:17 mircea_popescu: i see. thanks for that!

18:28:34 jurov: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Laptop_per_Child#Open_source_vs._dual-boot_systems apprently it did not go very well for microsoft

18:28:34 assbot: One Laptop per Child - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

18:28:48 mircea_popescu: nubbins`: they see it as "bitcoin isn't ready for apple" << they're right, too. i don't have a mpoe-pr large enough to swat all the fucktarded us consumers thinking they'r eentitled to shit because their govt paid me taxes or something

18:29:30 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: where's that piece of yours re: 'offensively stoopid poor' and 'cattle management technology' ?

18:29:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.00088055 = 12.5038 BTC [+] {2}

18:29:50 mircea_popescu: nubbins`: "hey guise i'm the first hand-blown glass satanist dildo shop in the WORLD to accept bitcoin!" << when's the ipo!

18:29:57 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, ok lemme see here

18:30:06 mircea_popescu: ;;google fraudsters offensively stupid poor cattle

18:30:07 gribble: Strategic superiority, a saga pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/2012/strategic-superiority-a-saga/; Bitcoin prices, Bitcoin inflexibility pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea ...: http://fraudsters.com/2013/bitcoin-prices-bitcoin-inflexibility/; Dear Guardian : stop being retarded. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea ...: http://fraudsters.com/dear-guardian-stop- (1 more message)

18:30:28 asciilifeform: ;;google fraudsters cattle prods

18:30:28 gribble: Strategic superiority, a saga pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/2012/strategic-superiority-a-saga/; Bitcoin prices, Bitcoin inflexibility pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea ...: http://fraudsters.com/2013/bitcoin-prices-bitcoin-inflexibility/; That gay ass site, BitBet pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/that-gay-ass-site-bitbet

18:30:34 asciilifeform: must be the first link.

18:30:38 mircea_popescu: Up until recently it was practically impossible to become embroiled into any sort of dealing with the subgroup, their ownership being strictly assumed and their lives strictly subsumed by the corporations competent at dealing with the human cattle : fastfood providers, supermarkets, the government. Both as employers and providers these specialised bureaucracies have the necessary tools, including cattle prods (or what

18:30:38 mircea_popescu: ever they?re called now, non-lethal something or the other) to correctly handle them. They have the chemicals, they?ve done the research, know the behavioural patterns, have the walls all built to obstruct vision, living arrangements all thought through and everything.

18:30:38 mircea_popescu: Bitcoin suddenly opened the gate. It is a poisonous offering. You are grossly unequipped to interact straight with the refuse of Western society. Accepting investors with fortunes under a million dollars or whatever the limit was placed for US citizens may make sense. Accepting investors with fortunes under any arbitrary value and simultaneously wits under any arbitrary threshold is not a sound business plan but a str

18:30:45 mircea_popescu: ategic mistake.

18:30:45 asciilifeform: ty!

18:30:47 mircea_popescu: there we go.

18:31:26 jurov: seems i'm arguing completely different point than ascii :(

18:31:34 mircea_popescu: it seems so to me too.

18:31:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15050 @ 0.00088066 = 13.2539 BTC [+] {2}

18:32:12 asciilifeform: jurov: the way i understand it, you see 'architectural purity' as an optional frill, like the 'non-conflict zone minerals' folks, or enviro-whiners. i do not.

18:33:02 asciilifeform: i've long ago given up on convincing any serious number of people of this point through rhetoric - it'll have to be by physical demonstration. but first i gotta live long enough.

18:34:23 diametric: asciilifeform: that sounds strikingly similar to something our mutual friend once said, in his attempt to correctly implement something resulted in that something never accomplishing anything.

18:34:50 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: anyway the fw that i made was first tested on smpake.com service and was made with btc in mind << "built from the ground up with security in mind"

18:34:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31903 @ 0.00087925 = 28.0507 BTC [-] {3}

18:34:54 diametric: you can have all the architecturally pure things in the world, but they don't amount to shit if they don't actually manage to accomplish work.

18:35:08 mircea_popescu: i can see that angle.

18:35:42 jurov: i have quite a few friends that got into programming in their teens and have done impressive demos

18:35:46 asciilifeform: diametric: this is sort of why i bring up my long-term research only when asked about it. and at other times, work with whatever materials are available in the jungle i inhabit, in a way that mostly makes sense to people.

18:35:51 jurov: only to give up in disgust few years later

18:36:11 thestringpuller: ;;seen nubbins`

18:36:11 gribble: nubbins` was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 hour, 44 minutes, and 48 seconds ago: <nubbins`> "certainly, daniel! shall i use the bitstamp BTC/GHS rate?"

18:36:12 jurov: now they use windows and excel. that's where i come from

18:36:25 thestringpuller: ;;later tell nubbins` hey send me pm at some point

18:36:25 gribble: The operation succeeded.

18:36:33 jurov: because there was no popular MS-DOS game with embedded lisp interpreter

18:36:39 jurov: because "oh noes trabant"

18:36:49 asciilifeform: jurov: 'abuse' (fairly well known game)

18:37:23 jurov: was the interpreter accessible?

18:37:30 asciilifeform: only recently we ended up with x86 boxes fast enough to disregard the performance hit from high-level languages on a cpu without hardware type-tagging

18:37:41 asciilifeform: now you have games (and even virii!) with built-in 'lua'

18:38:20 kakobrekla: re fw, one of the ways to make it easy one yourself is to keep it as small as possible.

18:40:02 asciilifeform: obligatory:

18:40:03 asciilifeform: http://herpolhode.com/rob/utah2000.pdf

18:40:16 asciilifeform: (rob pike, on why systems research is dead)

18:40:42 asciilifeform: 'To be a viable computer system, one must honor a huge list of

18:40:42 asciilifeform: large, and often changing, standards: TCP/IP, HTTP, HTML,

18:40:43 asciilifeform: XML, CORBA, Unicode, POSIX, NFS, SMB, MIME, POP,

18:40:43 asciilifeform: IMAP, X, ... A huge amount of work, but if you don?t honor the standards

18:40:43 asciilifeform: you?re marginalized.'

18:41:19 asciilifeform: (summary of some of the obstacles in the way of any serious attempt to ditch legacy crud while remaining even a little bit commercially viable)

18:42:07 jurov: you keep stuffing into my mouth what i'm not saying

18:42:23 jurov: i'm only saying, show them the light while they want to experiment

18:42:35 jurov: if that entails using rpi, so be it

18:42:51 jurov: adults should do adult things, of course

18:43:46 asciilifeform: i did get a number of people playing with fpga (the closest thing to 'freedom' in this context, that i know of) who perhaps wouldn't have otherwise.

18:44:39 thestringpuller: +asciilifeform> now you have games (and even virii!) with built-in 'lua' << The engine that came from Jak and Daxter is built in LISP for entity relationships.

18:45:13 thestringpuller: A good deal of Uncharted is written in LISP.

18:47:00 benkay: forth chips!

18:47:27 fluffypony: ok so

18:47:34 fluffypony: Apple is releasing a new programming language

18:47:37 fluffypony: called Swift

18:47:53 fluffypony: closures, generics, namespaces, the usual

18:48:09 artifexd: Are you trolling, fluffypony?

18:48:48 fluffypony: artifexd: no serious - they start it off with "we thought about how we could have Objective C but without the problems of C"

18:48:49 fluffypony: or something

18:49:31 artifexd: Is it cross platform?

18:49:38 asciilifeform: lol

18:49:40 Apocalyptic: <popeofdope> ooohh

18:49:40 Apocalyptic: <popeofdope> new language

18:49:40 Apocalyptic: <popeofdope> i like this

18:49:40 Apocalyptic: <popeofdope> swift

18:49:41 fluffypony: lol

18:49:47 Apocalyptic: probably not trolling

18:50:29 artifexd: Wow. Just... wow.

18:50:43 fluffypony: they had to do it at some stage, they were getting jealous of .NET

18:50:58 fluffypony: also they compared performance vs. python and objective-C

18:51:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 897 @ 0.0008788 = 0.7883 BTC [-]

18:51:10 fluffypony: "python is slow, objective-C is faster...but Swift is FASTEST!"

18:51:18 Naphex: and java is the best ;]

18:51:19 Naphex: :))

18:51:31 asciilifeform: we're more or less doomed to an eternal proliferation of proprietary piss-ant languages. so colour me unsurprised.

18:52:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.0246889 = 0.2963 BTC [+]

18:52:41 benkay: "jealous of .NET"

18:52:42 benkay: oh god

18:52:48 benkay: i'm laugh-crying

18:53:39 asciilifeform: from apple's point of view - it isn't quite enough to have an effective vendor lock-in through obj. c and the mac api - it is necessary to breed programmers who can't even -think- on a competing platform.

18:53:56 kakobrekla: so whats the story with this seaforth

18:53:58 artifexd: I'll buy that.

18:54:26 artifexd: Rephrase: asciilifeform, I accept your statement as an acceptable representation of reality.

18:55:05 asciilifeform: artifexd: if headline is genuine, the only real surprise is that apple had not attempted this earlier.

18:55:19 fluffypony: asciilifeform: I think they thought they could bend objective-C to become that

18:56:04 asciilifeform: fluffypony: one hint, in the past, was that apple clearly indicated a desire to see 'gcc' die in a fire

18:57:57 Naphex: asciilifeform: what would be your default language for writing a multi-threaded backend, with lots of sockets and nio?

18:58:20 asciilifeform: Naphex: given empty space?

18:58:30 asciilifeform: and, back-end for what?

18:59:01 Naphex: asciilifeform: hmm, lets say data aquisition. grabbing gps data from vehicles

18:59:06 fluffypony: no new Macbooks

18:59:10 *: fluffypony sulks

18:59:25 Naphex: and managing them so some control commands in there

18:59:53 asciilifeform: Naphex: assuming an actual choice of instruments (rather major assumption) - sbcl.

19:00:40 fluffypony: lol

19:00:45 fluffypony: Twitter's having a field day: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BpJXGeiIMAAP7If.jpg

19:01:03 asciilifeform: Naphex: that's what i did last time i had an entirely unconstrained design (a lab automation system, controlling robot & various scientific instruments attached to it)

19:01:39 fluffypony: https://twitter.com/iamdevloper/status/473537201125736448

19:01:41 assbot: Recruiters: Now looking for engineers with 5 years of Swift experience!

19:02:07 asciilifeform: http://fraudsters.com/category/3-ani-experienta

19:02:08 assbot: 3 ani experienta pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

19:03:51 fluffypony: one nice thing that came out of are the iCloud Drive prices - 200gb for $4/month

19:03:58 asciilifeform: Naphex: i discussed this adventure in the not too distant past: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-03-2014&bots=true#589971

19:03:59 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

19:04:02 fluffypony: so now I know where all my pics are getting backed up to

19:04:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0246889 = 0.1234 BTC [+]

19:05:14 fluffypony: I'm going to tell Usagi he should start using iCloud Drive for backup

19:09:02 jurov: "1-click wallet backup"

19:09:06 fluffypony: heh heh

19:09:13 fluffypony: UsagiBackup

19:09:30 fluffypony: 1-click backup to Dropbox, LiveDrive, iCloud Drive, and email

19:11:17 kakobrekla: if one he had done that.

19:11:21 kakobrekla: if only

19:11:35 lobbes: http://www.news-leader.com/story/news/local/ozarks/2014/06/02/secretary-state-halts-springfield-bitcoin-business/9871263/

19:11:37 assbot: Secretary of State halts Springfield man's Bitcoin operations

19:11:50 lobbes: finally

19:13:23 fluffypony: omg no way

19:13:29 fluffypony: pwned

19:13:41 jurov: "I encourage Missourians to call my office before making any Bitcoin investments" ohmy

19:15:03 kakobrekla: i dont even get what going on with that

19:15:13 kakobrekla: active mining or what was it?

19:15:29 jurov: i move for moiety to call them, ask about mpex and report for lulz

19:15:34 jurov: anyone with me?

19:16:24 benkay: do it

19:16:33 benkay: where is the manul lady

19:16:38 benkay: ;;seen moiety

19:16:38 gribble: moiety was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 hours, 25 minutes, and 58 seconds ago: <moiety> how is everyone here?

19:17:25 fluffypony: "Reached by phone Monday afternoon, Slaughter was unaware of Kander's news release but said it must have been part of a settlement his lawyers were working on with the office. He said he also expects to have to pay a fine."

19:19:01 kakobrekla: who is who here anyway?

19:19:22 jurov: kander is the state secretary

19:19:29 fluffypony: Kander is the secretary of state

19:19:57 kakobrekla: a.

19:22:04 fluffypony: https://developer.apple.com/swift/

19:22:05 assbot: Swift - Apple Developer

19:22:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.24300324 BTC [+]

19:22:39 fluffypony: "Swift takes the best features from the C and Objective-C languages. It includes low-level primitives such as types, flow control, and operators. It also provides object-oriented features such as classes, protocols, and generics"

19:22:54 fluffypony: so it's .NET for Apple

19:22:57 fluffypony: :-P

19:23:33 benkay: python for apple

19:23:37 fluffypony: heh

19:24:01 benkay: immutable data structures eh

19:24:06 benkay: https://twitter.com/awiltsch/status/473543331394650113

19:24:07 assbot: Swift does unicode: http://t.co/0EiCec6cx4

19:24:55 fluffypony: heh - Usagi getting smacked down: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/bmf-has-lost-access-to-its-wallet.321036/page-2#post-6786418

19:24:56 assbot: BMF has lost access to it's wallet | Page 2 | Bitcointa.lk

19:25:09 fluffypony: "You made a thread here and what did you expect ? people would congradulate you for doing everything wrong ? keep reading your "how to make a web wallet book" you pathetic tool."

19:29:21 kakobrekla: wait whut such book exists ??

19:29:44 benkay: do any of you have a fax number at which i could receive some faxes maybe but probably not?

19:29:55 fluffypony: benkay: I have a fax to email number

19:29:58 fluffypony: but it's South Africa

19:30:11 kakobrekla: lol scammer!

19:31:52 fluffypony: kakobrekla: shhhh, you're ruining my identity theft scamring

19:39:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 486 @ 0.0008815 = 0.4284 BTC [+]

19:40:14 benkay: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capital-weather-gang/wp/2014/06/02/female-named-hurricanes-kill-more-than-male-because-people-dont-respect-them-study-finds/

19:40:15 assbot: Female-named hurricanes kill more than male hurricanes because people don’t respect them, study finds

19:42:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18150 @ 0.00087868 = 15.948 BTC [-] {2}

19:48:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16271 @ 0.00087617 = 14.2562 BTC [-] {2}

19:56:02 princessnell: a microaggression with macro consequences

19:56:17 princessnell: or: proof that god is a vengeful woman

19:57:00 jurov: oo fellow discordian

19:59:28 BingoBoingo: /me is suspicous to committing to #bitcoin-assets on Freenode on the shirt, because it is hard to know when the situaton will reverse...

20:00:12 jurov: the shirt won't last so long

20:00:18 bitstein: #yesallhurricanes

20:02:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8553 @ 0.00087474 = 7.4817 BTC [-]

20:02:55 BingoBoingo: benkay: Are they supposing I want to fuck a hurricaine?

20:02:55 pankkake: http://www.news-leader.com/story/news/local/ozarks/2014/06/02/secretary-state-halts-springfield-bitcoin-business/9871263/

20:02:57 assbot: Secretary of State halts Springfield man's Bitcoin operations

20:04:02 BingoBoingo: pankkake: That merely shows how incredibly friendly Missouri is to actual Bitcoin businesses.

20:05:13 pankkake: yes, the response is quite sensible, and seems to be about "deceptive tactics"

20:05:24 pankkake: you guys should reddit that

20:10:53 jurov: pankkake http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/274r6w/missouri_secretary_of_state_halts_active_minings/?already_submitted=true

20:10:53 assbot: Missouri Secretary of State halts Active Mining's Bitcoin operations : Bitcoin

20:11:23 jurov: and i wanted it to submit as "Active Mining Deactivated" but...

20:12:34 BingoBoingo: Active Mining actually Lethrgic

20:13:19 jurov: bash flushed

20:13:56 BingoBoingo: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/274r6w/missouri_secretary_of_state_halts_active_minings/chxg6x6

20:13:57 assbot: Atruk comments on Missouri Secretary of State halts Active Mining's Bitcoin operations

20:17:39 BingoBoingo: http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/06/meet-cupid-the-heartbleed-attack-spawns-evil-wi-fi-networks/

20:17:39 assbot: Meet Cupid, the Heartbleed attack that spawns evil Wi-Fi networks | Ars Technica

20:23:38 BingoBoingo: Damn, Apple announced iOs 8

20:24:08 Apocalyptic: if only they 'd stick to that

20:30:15 BingoBoingo: fluffypony: I have to imagine some of your neighbors are probably stockpiling BTC to fund a reconquest of Rhodesia

20:30:37 fluffypony: hah hah

20:30:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.07823999 = 1.1736 BTC [+] {2}

20:30:47 fluffypony: my mom was born in Rhodesia when it was still called Rhodesia

20:33:34 BingoBoingo: Naphex: What is so illegible about math?

20:34:33 BingoBoingo: %book

20:34:36 atcbot: 3k@218 0k@200 7k@200 | 100k@141 250k@140 6k@135

20:37:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2100 @ 0.00087428 = 1.836 BTC [-]

20:39:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7450 @ 0.00087428 = 6.5134 BTC [-]

20:42:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0243 = 0.243 BTC [-]

20:49:03 assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 537 @ 0.00216811 = 1.1643 BTC [+] {2}

20:53:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.02468408 = 0.2468 BTC [-] {4}

20:56:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8935 @ 0.00087753 = 7.8407 BTC [+] {2}

20:58:07 mircea_popescu: Naphex: and using fopen('/dev/sttys*') to read serials and sh unix scripts with stty to setup serial ports << pretty lucrative maintenance contract i bet

20:59:37 Naphex: mircea_popescu: yep, 250k/year

20:59:40 kakobrekla: mike_c when you need electronic mix next time; http://radiostudent.si/glasba/x-machina/sempre-sempre

20:59:41 assbot: Sempre sempre | Radio tudent

21:00:48 mircea_popescu: sounds about right.

21:02:18 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, ?one cannot transition from the informal to the formal by formal means.? << what's the long story of that ?

21:02:32 mike_c: kakobrekla: i'll try it now, thanks. plus bonus swimsuit pic :)

21:02:45 kakobrekla: o yea, bush included!

21:03:19 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the proverb was attributed to mathematician alan perlis. i wasn't there when he uttered it. here's the context where i last mentioned it: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1390

21:03:21 assbot: Loper OS » Of Decaying Urbits.

21:03:33 mircea_popescu: aite

21:06:03 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

21:06:05 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, funny, because speaking of jets, random person i ran into today had actually heard of bitcoin, AND of urbit

21:06:10 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 663.5, vol: 17323.55731786 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 644.4, vol: 12553.89502 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 662.81, vol: 15993.55399357 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 660.0, vol: 77.21816246 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 643.770105, vol: 5415.03470000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 652.0, vol: 8.90331435 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 645.905, vol: 113.3678485 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)

21:06:16 BingoBoingo: ;;more

21:06:16 gribble: 656.507348479

21:06:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.02350333 = 0.2115 BTC [-] {2}

21:06:24 mircea_popescu: and his comment was "o, those jets thing were the funniest part. "yadda yadda yadda i'm very tired today"

21:06:28 mircea_popescu: which is a seinfeld reference.

21:06:32 mircea_popescu: this is how one makes friends.

21:07:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.02345011 = 0.1173 BTC [-]

21:07:25 nubbins`: with cia operatives

21:08:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 13 @ 0.0246889 = 0.321 BTC [+]

21:08:49 assbot: Last 8 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/194PXQ2.txt )

21:08:49 pankkake: !b 8

21:10:59 mircea_popescu: nubbins`, why so conspiraci minded!

21:11:43 nubbins`: it's because of my countless dark secrets ;(

21:12:30 BingoBoingo: Saw interesting creature on the road today. Alligator snapping turtle of roughly a meter in shell circumfrence.

21:13:04 nubbins`: round up some teenagers and a machete and you've got yourself a movie

21:13:12 BingoBoingo: Poor local yokel was trying to coax it off the road with sticks.

21:13:18 mircea_popescu: i read that first as "dick secrets"

21:13:26 mircea_popescu: and started thinking maybe the surgery's for real.

21:13:30 nubbins`: because of my countless dick secrets

21:13:34 nubbins`: they must never know!

21:14:35 nubbins`: ;;seen thestringpuller

21:14:35 gribble: thestringpuller was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 hours, 29 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: <thestringpuller> A good deal of Uncharted is written in LISP.

21:15:32 BingoBoingo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alligator_snapping_turtle

21:15:32 assbot: Alligator snapping turtle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

21:15:50 nubbins`: hm, is "OS X 10.10" pronounced "oh-ess ten ten point ten"?

21:15:53 nubbins`: that's awkward

21:16:01 mircea_popescu: osex ten-ten

21:16:13 mircea_popescu: could be an azn pop boyband

21:17:33 fluffypony: you just call it Yosemite

21:17:38 fluffypony: and everyone must know you're talking about an OS

21:17:43 fluffypony: and not a mountain or whatever the fuck it is

21:18:09 mircea_popescu: !up Chris_Sabian

21:18:15 nubbins`: fluffypony, it worked for Mavericks

21:18:17 nubbins`: oh, wait

21:18:21 mircea_popescu: lol

21:19:10 fluffypony: oh well

21:19:12 fluffypony: could be worse

21:19:16 fluffypony: could be like Ubuntu

21:19:29 fluffypony: Ubuntu 17.04 Sexy Scarecrow

21:19:32 nubbins`: 18.2 Dirty Dripper

21:19:47 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: random person i ran into today had actually heard of bitcoin, AND of urbit << random, as in, on the streets of ar ?

21:19:56 nubbins`: 19.06 Bellicose Bell-end

21:20:29 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, no, as in, without having made a specific appointment to discuss bitcoin and urbit

21:20:38 asciilifeform: aha

21:20:47 nubbins`: well, nevermind, then

21:22:49 mircea_popescu: nubbins`, "well, nevermind then" is perhaps the best name so far

21:22:57 mircea_popescu: is what i've known osx as since about 3.0

21:23:15 nubbins`: heh

21:23:31 nubbins`: OSX 10.10 Nevermind

21:23:48 nubbins`: but everything is 2d again!

21:23:51 fluffypony: lol

21:24:11 fluffypony: Ubuntu 20.44 Not Nirvana

21:24:31 nubbins`: brb food

21:24:55 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: since mr. m started sailing under the flag of the sv/vc circus, the thing's been well-hyped and spammed to virtually every forum where technowankers while away their days.

21:28:35 Chris_Sabian: what does "-assbot- You have been voiced for 30 minutes by mircea_popescu" mean?

21:28:46 mircea_popescu: that you can now talk.

21:28:49 mircea_popescu: \for half an hour.

21:29:05 Chris_Sabian: ok then

21:29:06 BingoBoingo: moiety: You catch that link about the local fauna, definitely would trade for Manuls

21:29:55 mircea_popescu: so from the "let's encourage people to fly" department :

21:29:57 mircea_popescu: Braniff Airways Flight 542, a Lockheed L-188 Electra, registration N9705C, was a scheduled domestic flight from Houston, Texas, bound for New York with scheduled stops in Dallas and Washington, D.C.. On September 29, 1959, 23 minutes into the 41-minute flight from Houston to Dallas Love Field, the aircraft disintegrated in mid-air approximately 3.8 miles (6.1 km) southeast of Buffalo, Texas killing everyone on board.

21:30:19 mircea_popescu: However, even though it was determined that the wing was destroyed by "cycles of reverse bending" or "flutter", the investigation failed to determine how the flutter was caused, and the investigation stalled.

21:30:37 mircea_popescu: The breakthrough into unlocking the cause of the accident came after the crash of Northwest Airlines Flight 710 on March 17, 1960. The two aircraft, both Electras, disintegrated in mid-air after losing their wings in similar fashion, both resulting in the deaths of all occupants on board.

21:30:49 mircea_popescu: that's it. thank your for flying vibrator airlines.

21:31:36 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That's why bomb screening focus more on finding dildos than explosives

21:31:48 asciilifeform: see also the famous tacoma narrows bridge.

21:32:59 BingoBoingo: %book

21:33:01 atcbot: 40k@205 0k@200 7k@200 | 90k@143 100k@141 250k@140

21:33:05 asciilifeform: ;;google galloping gertie

21:33:05 gribble: Tacoma Narrows Bridge Collapse "Gallopin' Gertie" - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-zczJXSxnw; Galloping Gertie - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galloping_Gertie; Tacoma Narrows Bridge ("Galloping Gertie") - Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacoma_Narrows_Bridge_(1940)

21:33:34 Chris_Sabian: so what are everyone thoughts on AM and Friedcat?

21:34:05 BingoBoingo: Chris_Sabian: Burning the last of the venture

21:34:56 BingoBoingo: Best case when AM1 falls to or Below IPO, maybe friedcat buys everyone out a la Erik and takes it private.

21:35:17 mircea_popescu: prolly the plan.

21:36:34 mike_c: what was am ipo price?

21:36:42 BingoBoingo: 0.1BTC/Share

21:36:43 Chris_Sabian: 0.1

21:37:09 Chris_Sabian: there is so much misinformation and rumors it is hard to know what is going on

21:37:32 Chris_Sabian: the forum is full of trolls and bagholders

21:38:04 BingoBoingo: I dunno anything for sure, just supposed the best way this ends.

21:41:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.0230023 = 0.161 BTC [-]

21:43:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.024689 = 0.2222 BTC [+]

21:44:35 jurov: nubbins`: you think there are cia operatives in chan?

21:44:43 jurov: somehow never considered it

21:45:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 900 @ 0.00048 = 0.432 BTC [-]

21:46:18 nubbins`: not sure why ya wouldn't

21:46:32 nubbins`: seems like a gross omission on their point otherwise

21:46:41 nubbins`: on their part, even

21:46:46 mike_c: especially with all you foreigners in here.

21:47:09 jurov: mike_c no you are foreigner xD

21:47:36 mircea_popescu: jurov, that was a fact a month or so ago. meanwhile, prolly lost interest, limiting themselves to one intern "checking the weblogs"

21:47:40 mircea_popescu: when not busy toking

21:48:01 assbot: [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 826 @ 0.00021536 = 0.1779 BTC [-]

21:48:36 jurov: that's very lucky intern

21:51:23 FabianB: !jd mpif

21:51:24 assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 166.98309966 BTC; -0.01864958 BTC (-0.0112%) since last check 11h 29m 41s ago.

21:53:22 jurov: ;;seen ThickAsThieves

21:53:22 gribble: ThickAsThieves was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 7 hours, 58 minutes, and 2 seconds ago: <ThickAsThieves> lol

21:57:08 kakobrekla: FabianB you just realized a loss

21:57:13 kakobrekla: meta-just-dice!

21:57:44 mike_c: couple bit cents down the drain.

21:57:50 FabianB: lol

21:58:51 FabianB: increases probability for being a gain next check

21:59:25 mike_c: mpif question: are those 900k+ shares on the order book new shares?

21:59:41 FabianB: no

21:59:54 mike_c: hmm, how would you know ;)

22:00:01 mike_c: seller identified.

22:00:14 FabianB: i think it's the rest of the second 1 mio

22:00:57 kakobrekla: yeah about half was left out in the book

22:01:57 kakobrekla: apple: Apps may facilitate transmission of approved virtual currencies provided that they do so in compliance with all state and federal laws for the territories in which the app functions

22:08:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 12 @ 0.02830333 = 0.3396 BTC [-] {2}

22:10:40 nubbins`: kakobrekla inorite

22:10:55 nubbins`: we were speaking of this earlier today, and then the next thing ya know

22:11:25 kakobrekla: we were?

22:11:45 nubbins`: the general "we"

22:12:03 *: kakobrekla can be heard editing the logs

22:13:01 *: jurov demands logs storage into blockchain

22:13:33 nubbins`: i demand the reverse

22:15:16 jurov: what, to use blockchain to generate conversation?

22:15:24 jurov: leave that up to vexual

22:15:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00087424 = 13.7256 BTC [-] {3}

22:16:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.02300199 = 0.115 BTC [-] {5}

22:19:01 dub: surely it only affects a handfull of aspies and retards doe

22:29:30 jurov: ;;ticker

22:29:31 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 670.0, Best ask: 672.92, Bid-ask spread: 2.92000, Last trade: 670.0, 24 hour volume: 18962.87071715, 24 hour low: 613.03, 24 hour high: 677.77, 24 hour vwap: 642.840145677

22:33:15 mike_c: wtf

22:33:25 mike_c: back to the moon i guess

22:36:57 mike_c: when did bitfinex get so fking big? are they blowing smoke up their own ass?

22:37:22 mircea_popescu: bitfinex always claimed to be big

22:37:26 mircea_popescu: it wasn't ever, but hey.

22:38:39 mike_c: "The Bitfinex trading platform is currently in a beta phase (testing phase). The platform is owned and operated by iFinex Inc. (Bvi), and during this final phase the platform is being prepared to operate under a fully licensed model."

22:38:55 mike_c: well, where do i send my money!

22:39:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12537 @ 0.00087411 = 10.9587 BTC [-]

22:39:56 mircea_popescu: you could send it to the bitcoinica relief fund.

22:39:57 kakobrekla: i think its cause they do leverage and report those numbers ?

22:40:11 mircea_popescu: you recall, these are those derps.

22:40:52 mike_c: i am recalling. soon gox2 will arise with their stolen code and they can compete on even footing.

22:41:01 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/scam-tag-request-user-unclescrooge-founder-and-operator-of-bitfinex-com.133691/

22:41:01 assbot: [scam tag request] user unclescrooge founder and operator of bitfinex.com | Bitcointa.lk

22:44:52 kakobrekla: but i honestly believe they are getting traffic

22:45:14 kakobrekla: where else sheep gonna go? bitstamp is fucking them too directly.

22:46:45 kakobrekla: and afaik bs did another audit recently, where it shows they have less btc in books t han in the last one

22:47:38 mircea_popescu: traffic is one thing.

22:48:02 mircea_popescu: im sure they';re getting plenty of traffic, no argument there.

22:48:23 mircea_popescu: as a reddit/facebook/whatever social media site, bitfinex is just as good as any one of a thousand third hand niche things

22:49:14 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: jurov: smbx had perverse incentives (usg funding that appeared bottomless - until it died suddenly. reagan's 'star wars.') << best way to sink a good start-up is a bad revenue source early on.

22:49:26 mircea_popescu: there are reasons a good manager is worth more than a good anything.

22:51:37 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: re: kickstarter: lol. suggested experiment: open a kickstart, with the headline 'pay my living expense for 20 years. in the end, you might get a useful gizmo if i live that long.' << you're making jurov's argument for him tho.

22:51:53 mircea_popescu: why would you phrase it that stupidly ?

22:54:56 fluffypony: I find Bitfinex's numbers highly suspect

22:58:18 mircea_popescu: you and everyone else capable of safely keeping a bitcoin for a year

23:00:13 mircea_popescu: who is lobbes ?

23:00:15 mircea_popescu: !up lobbes

23:00:47 mircea_popescu: jurov: i move for moiety to call them, ask about mpex and report for lulz << carried. moiety plz to call and ask

23:01:11 mircea_popescu: !up CoalPowerGorilla

23:01:34 nubbins`: i'm feeling like lelel

23:01:37 nubbins`: http://i.imgur.com/v4inNXM.gif

23:01:55 nubbins`: "bongtu" is korean for "plastic bag"

23:02:05 nubbins`: that yellow contraption says "bungtu" written on it

23:02:07 nubbins`: hilarity

23:02:12 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: why would you phrase it that stupidly << the answer is, because i haven't the titanic brain that would be needed to come up with a 'smart' way to phrase it. so generally i don't bring the subject up, unless asked first. 'basic research' is a fundamentally... unreasonable proposition from the ROI standpoint. i'm not particularly good at justifying unreasonable things.

23:02:40 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: benkay: Are they supposing I want to fuck a hurricaine? << imagine the suction.

23:02:49 mircea_popescu: golf ball through garden hose, LITERALLY.

23:03:09 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, gotta be more easy going you know ?

23:03:24 asciilifeform: nubbins`: what's that?

23:03:28 nubbins`: plunger

23:03:34 mircea_popescu: "please kickstart my cool fundamental project. fundamental research is important because it's what keeps kittens purr"

23:03:36 asciilifeform: nubbins`: lol!

23:03:46 mircea_popescu: that's a major improvement.

23:04:58 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the usual reply of audience is 'why ought we give $bignum to you and not the 9,999 other wankers'

23:06:06 mircea_popescu: and the usual reply is to jus tignore the question.

23:08:48 mircea_popescu: in summa : you are approaching it as a hard problem. it's not, it's quite soft

23:08:51 mircea_popescu: and a little brown.

23:11:07 mircea_popescu: Reached by phone Monday afternoon, Slaughter was unaware of Kander's news release but said it must have been part of a settlement his lawyers were working on with the office. He said he also expects to have to pay a fine.

23:11:07 mircea_popescu: "I haven't heard from my lawyer exactly how much that's going to be," he said.

23:11:28 mircea_popescu: idiot. no, it's not part of it. it's part of every govt agency even remotely arguably connected trying to get a slice

23:11:40 mircea_popescu: because they're paid by how much they pretend to have mattered the previous year.

23:18:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 848 @ 0.00018311 = 0.1553 BTC [-] {40}

23:25:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13850 @ 0.00087271 = 12.087 BTC [-] {2}

23:29:43 dub: wtfing at this bittrex feature

23:30:10 dub: Use Caution: This will zero (0) the balance of your wallet and cannot be reversed. Please be absolutely sure you want to do this before you confirm.

23:30:23 dub: use case?

23:34:34 kakobrekla: prolly if you end up in negative, you can zero it back!

23:40:49 BingoBoingo: http://www.ozarksfirst.com/story/d/story/bitcoin-scheme-stopped-in-springfield/42134/mpENjSmOFUOVEPibioIXYA

23:40:50 assbot: Springfield Bitcoin Investment Plan Stopped by State of MO - OzarksFirst.com

23:42:36 danielpbarron: dub, maybe something to do with that change you can never withdraw or trade on exchanges; the stuff that's not big enough for any of the minimums

23:43:36 danielpbarron: (not that a "zero your balance" is a good solution to that0

23:56:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22100 @ 0.00087364 = 19.3074 BTC [+]