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00:00:19 asciilifeform: lesson: design your arsestick ~before~ you need it!

00:00:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 241450 @ 0.00048227 = 116.4441 BTC [-] {5}

00:01:57 williamdunne: Oh, its actually more simplistic than that

00:01:58 williamdunne: http://www.hawking.org.uk/the-computer.html

00:01:59 assbot: The Computer - Stephen Hawking ... ( http://bit.ly/1LVNzeX )

00:03:02 asciilifeform: l0l, 'eudora' still exists!?

00:03:33 *: asciilifeform remembers it from his first commercial isp account

00:03:37 asciilifeform: win 3.1

00:12:34 asciilifeform: https://www.kernel.org/doc/gorman/html/understand/understand006.html << for anyone struggling to make sense of http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000107.html

00:12:36 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1LVORGQ )

00:12:37 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1LVORGU )

00:13:28 asciilifeform: https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/filesystems/proc.txt << see also.

00:13:29 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1LVOUlS )

00:15:03 phf: asciilifeform: i did blockdump on 0..217336 and all the checksums come out to what's in sums.txt.gz. i'm going to eatblock them with a fresh datadir

00:15:34 asciilifeform: phf: what kind of node was it ?

00:15:41 asciilifeform: and when/where synced

00:17:26 lobbesbot: New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=4294967297 (Stephan Urbach ; Herr Urbach ; ) http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/27ABADEFA10C5A6CE3DBED175888BC9B6D5F40CC2E7895F3460AB8771B49EB17#EA05145DF780174482C93AA25649CAA45909C0CB3EC052B4B4EB0B58B5FA7348 || Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=425201762403 (Stephan Urbach ; Herr Urbach ; ) http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/27ABADEFA10C5A6CE3DBED175888BC9B6D5F40CC2E7895F

00:17:29 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KtLppx )

00:17:31 phf: all patches except reward overflow, cuminer snip and igprof, up to eatblock. mac os 10.8, built dynamically with llvm's c and cmake. synced about 5 days ago

00:17:51 asciilifeform: neat

00:18:05 asciilifeform: bonus points for testing on heathen compilers

00:21:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.15160515 = 1.6677 BTC [-] {3}

00:42:27 cazalla: http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jul/01/twitter-staff-african-american-diversity

00:42:28 assbot: Twitter employs only 49 African Americans despite diversity pledges | Technology | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1KtMXQB )

00:53:07 williamdunne: Why on earth anyone thinks hiring people for the sake of diversity is a good idea, I will never know

00:53:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77775 @ 0.00049062 = 38.158 BTC [+] {2}

01:08:10 funkenstein_: williamdunne, how do you pick girlfriends then?

01:08:34 williamdunne: I haven't had many, so I can't give a good answer.

01:08:54 williamdunne: But I don't have a quota of minorities to fill

01:08:56 funkenstein_: not defending twitter mind you, your point still stands

01:09:02 punkman: does funkenstein_'s sex life have diversity quotas?

01:09:32 funkenstein_: variety is the spice of life

01:10:22 punkman: you ever try slodging?

01:10:31 williamdunne: ;;ud slodging

01:10:32 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=slodging | Slodging. Lodging yourself between inanimate objects and waiting for others to dislodge you. Usually done for sexual pleasure. "Wow, Slodging ourselves into ...

01:10:42 williamdunne: What the fuck

01:10:43 williamdunne: Aha

01:10:45 punkman: http://oglaf.com/slodging/

01:10:46 assbot: Slodging ... ( http://bit.ly/1H1pDpj )

01:11:18 punkman: (has next page)

01:11:51 funkenstein_: like that 127 hours guy?

01:12:06 williamdunne: Yeah, but you get to fuck the rock

01:13:22 funkenstein_: i'm just going to pretend it's supersymmetric lodging and move on

01:16:11 williamdunne: Yesterday was the most entertaining time I've had in a while

01:16:21 williamdunne: Had a couple of boxing matches

01:20:03 punkman: did ya kick anyone's ass?

01:20:31 williamdunne: Yeah, two peoples

01:20:34 williamdunne: Well

01:20:44 williamdunne: They forfeited

01:21:06 williamdunne: One split their nose, the other got a nosebleed and a semi-bad black eye

01:21:51 punkman: http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2015/06/30/ultima-online-retrospective/

01:21:53 assbot: 18 Years Later, Why Are People Still Playing Ultima Online? | Rock, Paper, Shotgun ... ( http://bit.ly/1C0jLNS )

01:25:48 punkman: "Netflix, Spotify and other streaming services just got more expensive in Chicago as an update to the city’s amusement tax went into effect Wednesday. The change adds a 9 percent tax to Chicago residents’ subscriptions."

01:26:17 williamdunne: "Amusement Tax", mmmmK

01:26:25 punkman: it does amuse

01:29:02 williamdunne: I'm quite curious about how on earth that works as far as jurisdiction goes

01:29:19 williamdunne: How can Chicago enforce a tax law on a company not based in Chicago?

01:29:50 punkman: or EU wanting non-EU companies paying VAT

01:30:08 williamdunne: That one too

01:30:24 williamdunne: Or the more recent ruling on EU VAT where its billed at the customer country

01:30:27 williamdunne: Rather than the operator

01:30:38 williamdunne: So you've got to pay VAT to 20+ agencies IIRC

01:31:36 punkman: nah supposedly you'll be paying at one and they'll split it up

01:33:36 williamdunne: Oh, thats a little better but still retarded

02:03:20 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 211814+

02:11:47 asciilifeform: punkman: considerably more interesting, imho, from same site: http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2015/06/26/the-flare-path-computer-ambush

02:11:49 assbot: The Flare Path: Is Computer Ambushed | Rock, Paper, Shotgun ... ( http://bit.ly/1HyoOru )

02:12:08 asciilifeform: reminds me of an only slightly later-in-the-'80s game i enjoyed as a boy on ru pc xt clone - 'ranger'

02:12:14 asciilifeform: i bet mircea_popescu played 'ranger'.

02:15:43 asciilifeform: https://archive.org/stream/computer_ambush/computer_ambush_djvu.txt << manual to 'ambush'

02:15:45 assbot: Full text of "Apple Manual: computer ambush" ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ny6IUW )

02:19:43 asciilifeform: https://archive.org/stream/computer_ambush#page/n14/mode/1up << gotta love the 'biographies'

02:19:45 assbot: Apple Manual: computer ambush ... ( http://bit.ly/1HypSvo )

02:25:25 punkman: never played that one, but kinda reminds me of Cannon Fodder

02:26:04 mats: http://www.vox.com/2015/6/29/8845913/russia-war

02:26:05 assbot: How World War III became possible: A nuclear conflict with Russia is likelier than you think - Vox ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ny7xNo )

02:26:47 mats: passably decent analysis overall, although the journalist is quite wrong about ru military inferiority and nato military superiority

02:32:53 asciilifeform: mats: as nato reich continues its path down the drainpipe to join the earlier reichs, various folks' temptation to find out 'if the nukes still work

02:32:57 asciilifeform: will only increase

02:34:48 mats: i think its inevitable for tactical nukes to be fielded

03:00:12 funkenstein_: some light reading for you mats: http://www.codshit.com/bali.htm

03:00:13 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1gbVkU9 )

03:13:08 decimation: asciilifeform: I used "pegasus mail" client

03:13:17 decimation: was vastly superior to eudora & alternatives

03:13:20 ben_vulpes: madison dillon needs some practice

03:14:54 mats: i dunno how to do the calculations for homemade explosive like that

03:15:03 mats: but that is of dubious authenticity

03:19:44 mats: and you'd not be able to hide rad signatures from anybody bothering to look, i would think

03:19:47 ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181766 << not worth a thousand words eh ? << only maybe if well curated, but that breaks the whole algorithmic share allocation routine

03:19:47 assbot: Logged on 30-06-2015 15:45:52; assbot: Logged on 28-06-2015 07:53:07; cazalla: ben_vulpes, ay yo charts don't be earning no s.qntr shares CC: pete_dushenski

03:22:19 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1182919 << why? and how can i possibly evaluate any advice in this context?

03:22:19 assbot: Logged on 01-07-2015 16:46:00; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181835 << that's really not the best idea. make it a hammoc, something.

03:22:24 ben_vulpes: people raise such idiots

03:25:49 funkenstein_: mats, if interested, for completeness, https://web.archive.org/web/20030210220533/http://homepage.ntlworld.com/steveseymour/nuke/bali_micro_nuke.htm

03:25:51 assbot: New Page 1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1ekNzKi )

03:26:45 funkenstein_: it's all public, old, and fiction. great writer though.

03:36:54 mats: i miss blowing things up

03:47:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80000 @ 0.00050398 = 40.3184 BTC [+]

03:51:09 ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> who wants to run an editor that can open the net ? << why wouldn't your editor connect to the net at your command?

03:52:07 asciilifeform: funkenstein_: also interesting, from same, http://homepage.ntlworld.com/steveseymour/nuke/nukes1.htm

03:52:10 assbot: MICRO NUKES IN LONDON ... ( http://bit.ly/1f3umOp )

03:52:44 asciilifeform: 'The April 1993 bomb was supposedly detonated in a parked garbage truck, but managed to create a huge crater in the road that was subsequently filmed by the media: another crucial error confirmed by independent explosives experts in Australia. The blast from most bombs takes the easiest path, in this case outwards then upwards to atmosphere. The crater could only have appeared if the bomb was dropped from an aircraft, or was b

03:52:45 asciilifeform: uried in advance. Forget the "garbage truck", which was merely a decoy device. The crater is very impressive, measuring roughly forty feet deep by sixty feet in diameter.'

03:54:22 asciilifeform: '... On the available evidence it seems the aspirations of a small arrogant bunch of men who decided to impose a "New World Order'" on a host of very unwilling small sovereign nations, did not think the exercise through to its perhaps inevitable conclusion. Those same arrogant men have placed tens of millions of citizens at risk because of their own gross incompetence and thirst for absolute power. The "New World Order" now se

03:54:23 asciilifeform: ems set to face the unbridled wrath of large numbers of citizens for many years to come.'

03:57:17 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1183998 << author argues (in piece linked above) that the 'dirty bomb' meme was a fiction crafted as a pill against just this.

03:57:17 assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 03:19:44; mats: and you'd not be able to hide rad signatures from anybody bothering to look, i would think

04:00:42 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes still awake ?

04:06:51 mats: lol

04:07:23 *: asciilifeform wonders if mircea_popescu's shockwave sensor gadget (see old thread) has a dial mark for 'nuke'

04:07:33 mats: http://jelmertiete.com/2015/06/30/Difference-between-CC2630-and-CC2650

04:07:34 assbot: Difference between CC2630 and CC2650 ... ( http://bit.ly/1f3wC8e )

04:08:40 decimation: asciilifeform: what strikes me as stupid about the 'dirty bomb' idea is that background radiation naturally varies

04:08:53 asciilifeform: mats: absolute sop. this practice dates back to at least the '486 sx'

04:08:54 decimation: plenty of places in the us have U just laying around in the ground

04:09:48 asciilifeform: decimation: sorta like the notion that lead smelter in your back yard is no problem, because lead is found in the earth anyway

04:11:45 asciilifeform: anyway the traditional narrative re: 'dirty bombz' is that the builder would use short-lived, highly-energetic isotopes, of the kind shipped out to specially-designated junkyards by the tonne from your local biotech zone

04:12:38 decimation: actually molten lead is pretty harmless

04:12:45 decimation: it's lead ingestion that's th eproblem

04:13:03 decimation: asciilifeform: like cesium for radiation therapy

04:13:56 asciilifeform: when i was a student at 'nih', the story went that 'there was no serious bureaucracy surrounding lab waste until the p32-in-the-water-cooler incident'

04:15:16 asciilifeform: mats: at this point it is rare for a commercial ic ~not~ to have functionality antifused out depending on product 'grade'

04:15:49 decimation: yeah it's just too expensive to make lots of masks

04:15:51 mats: right

04:16:22 asciilifeform: to tie the two subjects together, it is very difficult for the amateur ic decapping enthusiast to buy hno3.

04:16:25 asciilifeform: (in usa)

04:17:58 decimation: you can make it yourself I think

04:18:00 decimation: if you are nuts

04:18:03 asciilifeform: you can make whatever.

04:18:06 asciilifeform: just takes time.

04:19:21 *: asciilifeform wonders about laser decapping

04:19:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54300 @ 0.00049705 = 26.9898 BTC [-]

04:20:37 asciilifeform: speaking of experiments for the brave, it turns out that you can indeed cut thin steel with a 40w co2 laser if you connect an o2 tank, rather than the usual compressor, to the head nozzle

04:21:18 *: asciilifeform has not personally attempted this

04:23:21 decimation: lol

04:23:41 decimation: so the idea is that it oxidizes as it cuts?

04:23:51 asciilifeform: aha

04:24:00 asciilifeform: main problem, as i understand, is reflectivity of the metal

04:24:20 asciilifeform: that, and the good heat conduction

04:24:56 asciilifeform: dark-coloured items with poor heat conductivity - e.g., stone - cut well.

04:25:25 asciilifeform: (though you get problems with stress fractures.)

04:26:56 decimation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=301&v=2yE7v4wkuZU < how to make fuming hno3

04:26:57 assbot: Make Nitric Acid - The Complete Guide - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1f3zAtr )

04:27:11 asciilifeform: http://jelmertiete.com/images/2015-06-30-Difference-between-CC2630-and-CC2650-18-small.jpg << balun

04:27:13 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1f3zBNZ )

04:27:21 asciilifeform: (author did not identify it)

04:27:33 decimation: asciilifeform: reflected multi-watt laser burns yer eye out

04:27:43 asciilifeform: decimation: in box

04:27:56 asciilifeform: problem is, your destroy mirrors, or - if very 'lucky' - your tube

04:28:08 asciilifeform: the mirrors are, typically, a benjie or so each

04:28:18 decimation: asciilifeform: it might be an inductor

04:28:24 asciilifeform: which is not even the worst part, but the chore of aligning the replacements

04:28:25 decimation: damn that's alot of cash for optics

04:29:01 asciilifeform: typically rare earths

04:29:53 decimation: I imagine it needs to be exotic to hold up to that kind of energy

04:29:55 decimation: https://cbi-blog.s3.amazonaws.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/unbundlinghoneywell2.jpg

04:29:57 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1f3zYYI )

04:30:07 decimation: ^ startups are feasting on the corpse of old-fashioned bezzletron

04:32:07 decimation: the most interesting one is 'ecovent': place a battery-powered 'vent' over all of your forced air outlets

04:32:16 decimation: it will control per-room temps on demand.

04:32:52 decimation: which is a band-aid on the retardation of forced-air systems

04:34:00 asciilifeform: i do a low-tech orc version of this

04:34:03 asciilifeform: with bare hands.

04:34:22 asciilifeform: no ipNohe-controlled servo needed.

04:34:54 decimation: aye me too

04:39:25 decimation: actually the thing you really need is just a cheap net of wireless sensors so you can experiment with hand-operated vents

05:08:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116550 @ 0.00048234 = 56.2167 BTC [-] {2}

05:53:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76900 @ 0.00048697 = 37.448 BTC [+] {2}

05:59:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60600 @ 0.00048723 = 29.5261 BTC [+]

06:04:49 ben_vulpes: <decimation> ascii_field: shit, you are right, the amazon s2d is just a pretty TLS wrapper around the openssl crypto turd << one stops being surprised eventually

06:11:42 ben_vulpes: <ascii_field> (thing stows blocks in real time, never erases. see src) << i missed this, somehow. link me?

07:21:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87050 @ 0.00047682 = 41.5072 BTC [-] {2}

07:36:46 ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> yet another place where bitcoind and kernel merge. << linux's fate: hosting bitcoin.

07:37:02 ben_vulpes: neat parallels to parasitism in nature.

07:42:48 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1183439 << lol fess up dpb i want to hear this story

07:42:48 assbot: Logged on 01-07-2015 19:10:02; assbot: Successfully updated the rating for juliatourianski_ from -2 to 3 with note: met at porcfest; a fantastic escort

07:50:24 ben_vulpes: * ascii_field mentally blows dust off his unwritten magnum opus re: ternary computing, 'tertium datur' << never have i been so hooked on so much promiseware

07:57:09 mats: lol @ rating

07:58:25 mats: ;;ticker --bitstamp

07:58:26 gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitfinex. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the code (1 more message)

07:58:48 mats: ;;ticker --market bitstamp

07:58:49 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 255.09, Best ask: 255.1, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 255.1, 24 hour volume: 13766.60354772, 24 hour low: 253.81, 24 hour high: 260.89, 24 hour vwap: 257.267613042

07:58:59 mats: it slides

07:59:48 mats: speculators figured out greeks won't be buying coins huh

08:00:57 shinohai`: The lolz were thick on twitter. Every shitty altcoin was tweeting "Welcoming our Greek friends" and such.

08:10:44 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1183894 << see i did the same thing but with a motoman up20, and only for like a day

08:10:44 assbot: Logged on 01-07-2015 23:49:23; *: asciilifeform fwiw, when worked with robot, had all the 'safety' interlocks disabled. they make it damn-near impossible to get real work done

08:11:19 ben_vulpes: only way to get work done with *that* kind of robot is to put it into slow mode and hold dead-man switch

08:13:03 ben_vulpes: i never had to drop the switch, but it did take a couple of swipes at me

08:13:14 ben_vulpes: fun with coordinate system transforms!

08:15:29 ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> bonus points for testing on heathen compilers << rather

08:15:41 ben_vulpes: i never got the static build on os x

08:21:47 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184010 << served me this little wonder http://imgur.com/7aMTNRJ

08:21:47 assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 03:52:07; asciilifeform: funkenstein_: also interesting, from same, http://homepage.ntlworld.com/steveseymour/nuke/nukes1.htm

08:21:48 assbot: Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1H2wjU8 )

08:35:22 lobbesbot: New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=725849473193 (Matthias Schmidt ; ) http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F2E69ADD6FA7A630D45FC696E5CA029BC813E437CE2D25C45C80548FFE07771A#B111C17FFBD5495C25921BF0E9A048B0F9568A085886CC0F36B5CCB8B9BF0DBD

08:35:25 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JrCWjS )

08:35:54 punkman: lots of cosmic rays in germany eh

08:55:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114900 @ 0.0004816 = 55.3358 BTC [+] {3}

09:27:36 lobbesbot: New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=9 (Richard Monk ; ) http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/75254628CF9D61D0137B535BDE2860B51836575E4A454589D01BD586E163B445#8226AD8E1946AC4590E9AA2EA741C8AA8F472CD2156911A9913AF48A5889B1AB

09:27:38 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1CczeuL )

09:30:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47300 @ 0.00049435 = 23.3828 BTC [+] {2}

09:31:11 shinohai: What the hell happened in Alemania ?

09:41:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23500 @ 0.00049671 = 11.6727 BTC [+]

09:51:28 punkman: http://i.imgur.com/Wz48TiO.png

09:51:29 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1CcCXIH )

10:27:17 lobbesbot: New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=47244640267 (Carsten Lenz ; ) http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3E80A6C932C0BCB3D018EB25213D1C5BD3E221289703D0ACA19D593788A802FF#F1A2E56AD8DEEA18BD1327AEF95A8556782505F49CEFA3D882D5299D14F2A2E0 || Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=33281701584453 (Carsten Lenz ; ) http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3E80A6C932C0BCB3D018EB25213D1C5BD3E221289703D0ACA19D593788A802FF#86F4969A8F1

10:41:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52250 @ 0.00047687 = 24.9165 BTC [-]

10:59:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94464 @ 0.00047976 = 45.32 BTC [+] {2}

11:04:03 shinohai: https://i.imgur.com/tJ8QkBx.png

11:04:04 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1NyS8wi )

11:05:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49139 @ 0.00049179 = 24.1661 BTC [+] {3}

11:11:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37425 @ 0.00047542 = 17.7926 BTC [-] {2}

11:37:55 cazalla: shinohai, bit rich that 4chan has a no faggots thread when it is full of them

11:47:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5456 @ 0.00047487 = 2.5909 BTC [-]

11:48:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 126844 @ 0.00047303 = 60.001 BTC [-] {2}

12:12:13 shinohai: *agreed cazalla

12:37:17 punkman: !up ronaz

12:44:07 ronaz: not sure I deserve that!

12:44:57 punkman: just go wih it

12:55:30 punkman: is bittiraha an exchange?

12:57:45 ronaz: a brokering service mainly

12:58:20 ronaz: we are also shipping first patch of Denarium coins in a weeks time

12:58:35 punkman: what are those?

12:58:50 ronaz: plus we have an ATM-network of 8-9 devices around Finland

12:59:37 ronaz: physical Bitcoins, lile Casascius sold back in the days

13:00:03 punkman: got a pic?

13:00:11 ronaz: www.denarium.com check it out

13:01:36 shinohai: !gettrust ronaz

13:01:36 assbot: ronaz is not registered in WoT.

13:01:41 shinohai: >.>

13:01:45 ronaz: on brokering side we have over 30 000 clients

13:01:57 ronaz: ahh. i have the wot account from 2012

13:02:17 ronaz: i wonder if i would find the key to sign myself in

13:02:18 punkman: ;;gettrust ronaz

13:02:18 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user punkman to user ronaz: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=punkman&dest=ronaz | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ronaz | Rated since: Wed Feb 19 00:42:51 2014

13:03:01 punkman: you will need a GPG key to register with assbot

13:03:08 punkman: !help

13:03:08 assbot: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot

13:03:09 ronaz: yup

13:03:26 ronaz: thanks for help

13:04:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100756 @ 0.00048186 = 48.5503 BTC [+] {5}

13:04:36 ronaz: punkman: on brolering side we have had over 30 000 individual clients and thus can claim to be a key player in Nordic BTC brokering

13:05:30 punkman: how does it work?

13:06:45 ronaz: creater order at website, pay through bank account transfer, and we check accounts three times pee day and run a batch for paid orders

13:07:15 punkman: so you handle both fiat and bitcoin?

13:07:26 ronaz: ye

13:07:43 punkman: !up ronaz

13:08:49 punkman: do you have an orderbook?

13:09:16 ronaz: no not a public one

13:09:32 ronaz: we do match orders and sells according to spot on exchange

13:10:13 ronaz: *buys and sells

13:10:29 punkman: which exchange?

13:10:44 ronaz: mostly stamp

13:12:03 punkman: is this to get around regulation related to exchanges?

13:12:16 ronaz: no

13:12:54 ronaz: one is to avoid providing a wallet service

13:13:43 punkman: oh so you only handle the bitcoins for a short period?

13:13:51 ronaz: yaman

13:15:22 ronaz: so how are involved in Bitcoin business scene yourself?

13:16:30 punkman: not involved in any bitcoin business for the time being

13:17:41 ronaz: market sentiment has beem bad for volumes for 1,5 years :'(

13:18:29 punkman: don't tell me you are brokering bitcents

13:20:59 ronaz: 20 eur minimum so yeah i guess

13:21:42 punkman: is there a maximum?

13:55:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 131107 @ 0.00049874 = 65.3883 BTC [+] {3}

14:01:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84900 @ 0.00051364 = 43.608 BTC [+] {3}

15:12:48 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu incoming gpg - june broadcast.

15:12:48 gribble: The operation succeeded.

15:31:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 130108 @ 0.00051836 = 67.4428 BTC [+] {3}

15:51:49 danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184085 << it's the story of how the b-a WoT members were the coolest kids at the party, or how I pissed off a bunch of socially inept libertards by being seen hangning out with the hot chick

15:51:49 assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 07:42:48; ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1183439 << lol fess up dpb i want to hear this story

15:52:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2169 @ 0.00052466 = 1.138 BTC [+]

15:53:32 shinohai: o/ danielpbarron

15:54:19 danielpbarron: hi there

15:55:19 shinohai: epic twitter avatar you are using now

15:55:50 danielpbarron: I usually don't go along with those "change your profile pic to show support" things, but when I saw the qntra bunny...

15:56:47 shinohai: If mircea_popescu changes the fraudsters background to that flag, I'll do it.

15:56:54 lobbesbot: New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=4294967297 (Carl Christoph Leimbrock ; ) http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C214323FE8F5A745404185908E2CFAB4D18087093B71CDBC40C01FA883C060D4#81AFFA12771C9550E4941C4B7C4EAC93BCE4E063D36B0A6DE612AF29484357A8 || Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=4294967297 (Carl Christoph Leimbrock ; ) http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C214323FE8F5A745404185908E2CFAB4D18087093B71CDBC40C01FA88

15:56:57 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1HakgFZ )

16:01:48 kakobrekla: lobbes the last link in that lobbesbot msg is broked

16:02:32 kakobrekla: or is it same as the first anyway?

16:10:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12943 @ 0.0005266 = 6.8158 BTC [+]

16:14:32 ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: you pissed them off just by being seen with chicka? imagine their rage if you'd /slept/ with her!

16:14:59 ben_vulpes: actually imagining that is probably what got them all het up in the first place

16:16:04 decimation: https://devinhelton.com/2015-06-25/meme-theory < "Thus, outsiders discredit themselves when they make accusations of conscious conspiracy. Any person of even mid-level status knows that the statement is flatly false. They know that the accused elites genuinely do seem to care about helping people. They know there is no conspiracy. Thus they discount the self-interest theory and pay no further attention."

16:16:05 assbot: Conspiracy Theories, Meme Theories, and Bureaucracy Theories ... ( http://bit.ly/1GQYovl )

16:17:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54150 @ 0.00053264 = 28.8425 BTC [+]

16:18:40 ben_vulpes: "These statements strike us as being crazy and misguided. And for good reason. I have met some of these elites." << is dood schizo or am i reading too much into things

16:18:47 decimation: here's a conspiracy: why were the german journalists so quick to discredit phuctor's work, when the majority of the targeted keys appear to be the pirate party

16:19:05 decimation: ben_vulpes: who knows, he might be claiming shit that isn't true, but it does strike me as fairly reasonable

16:19:33 ben_vulpes: decimation: i'm just looking at the we/i thing

16:19:40 decimation: I'm sure that if you met the leaders of the average usg institution they would strike you as nice people trying to do the right thing. they are just imprisoned by their choices, making them into figureheads

16:20:16 ben_vulpes: didja read the most recent orlol asciilifeform posted?

16:20:25 decimation: I read it as he was using the third-party language intentionally - to sympathize with the reader's point of view

16:20:26 ben_vulpes: "it's not me, it's the black hole"

16:20:29 decimation: heh

16:20:59 *: ben_vulpes has binaries to copy between wordprexen

16:21:12 *: ben_vulpes to the augean stables

16:21:15 decimation: "The outsiders can see these patterns, but don?t understand the details, so come across as cranks when trying to do analysis. Should the outsiders gain authority, they have no real power, because they do not know how to work the levers to operate the machine. They don?t even know where the levers are. When they try to fix the machine, they get duped, get discredited, and end up out of power again."

16:21:29 decimation: seems about right

16:21:44 ben_vulpes: only solution is to burn everything in sight that pisses one off.

16:21:59 decimation: this echo's yarvin's "what if ron paul won the presidency" gedankenexperiment

16:22:20 decimation: he would try to eliminate the dept of education or whatever, and he would quickly find himself 'nixoned'

16:22:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19000 @ 0.00053264 = 10.1202 BTC [+]

16:24:57 ben_vulpes: tough gedanken

16:25:24 ben_vulpes: having trouble understanding why big money would put him on the throne

16:25:37 decimation: they wouldn't, so they didn't

16:26:11 decimation: note that the primary job of president these days is to fail to excercise your theoretically vast but practically nearly nonexistant power

16:26:23 ben_vulpes: but obama fixed gay marriage

16:26:26 ben_vulpes: and cash for clunkers

16:26:29 ben_vulpes: and the recovery

16:26:36 ben_vulpes: and killed bitcoin

16:26:51 ben_vulpes: and osama

16:26:57 ben_vulpes: plus drones!

16:27:28 decimation: actually obama did none of those

16:27:40 ben_vulpes: no man you just don't understand how the world works

16:27:52 decimation: his employees did some, congress did some

16:28:03 ben_vulpes: no but no but no but

16:28:08 decimation: but a federal employee really isn't obama's employee anyway

16:28:13 decimation: how many has he fired?

16:28:18 ben_vulpes: right, that's the real test.

16:28:23 decimation: he has less power than the average mcdonald's night shift manager

16:28:37 ben_vulpes: obligatory reference to "owning a thing means being able to destroy it"

16:28:42 decimation: indeed.

16:29:23 ben_vulpes: in that sense obab (as proxy for the usg) does in fact own my company to a far greater degree than i ever can

16:29:29 decimation: the president's main power is to appear before the press and say things that are unsurprising

16:29:58 decimation: he can also receives the benefits of appearing to be rich and powerful, and gets an army of people who are interested in making him seem powerful

16:30:35 decimation: not obama, but the gang of federal civil servants who actually make employment defacto employment law

16:31:29 ben_vulpes: how else to maintain the illusion that the whole thing matters.

16:31:56 ben_vulpes: its this terrifying beast that in the large is incapable of changing anything, but should its eye orient towards any individual woe unto them.

16:32:09 ben_vulpes: maybe changing -> affecting

16:32:37 decimation: no human could possibly manage the official federal government

16:32:48 decimation: not to mention the vast unofficial government

16:32:59 decimation: so it splits into fiefdoms

16:33:49 ben_vulpes: and perhaps this is the hallmark of fascist states - how would I know, only recently having started to crawl out from under my brainwashing - that they can't possibly deliver on their promises of complete surveillance (let's just take tax collection for one tiny slice of the thing), but they freeze any individuals assets on a whim to prevent their fighting back on tax charges.

16:34:23 ben_vulpes: and so everyone quakes in their boots and lines up to pay or report their neighbors or whatever it is that they want today

16:38:17 thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: this is what makes civil forfeiture of bitcoin terrifying, because instead of just pressing a button on a computer, they'll torture you until you give up your keys.

16:39:58 ben_vulpes: this torture won't be performed by the usg, but regular ol' bandits.

16:40:11 ben_vulpes: by the time that happens, the two'll be indistinguishable.

16:48:08 decimation: yeah, nobody employed directly by usg knows how to torture, and it probably wouldn't work anyway

16:48:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68348 @ 0.0005266 = 35.9921 BTC [-]

16:48:18 decimation: look at the report released by the senate on the torture of terrorists

16:48:22 decimation: it was a mickey mouse operation

16:49:39 danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171891 << most i ever had at once was 600 mg in the form of 40 gel caps

16:49:39 assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 06:17:16; cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171698 <<< try 3 bottles :P

16:51:41 danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171902 << i prepared beforehand, a plastic gallon milk jug with most of the top cut out, for the purpose of vomiting without having to crawl to the bathroom

16:51:41 assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 06:23:08; BingoBoingo: Which mean sure, you can trip balls, but the toilet is getting hugged the whole time

16:57:25 kakobrekla: wait i thought drugs were suppose to make one feel better, not worse?

17:00:44 danielpbarron: i guess bingo has different genetics or something, but for me the vomiting is short lasting and not the focus of the experience

17:01:00 danielpbarron: not that i recommend abusing otc cough suppressants

17:03:02 mats: lol

17:18:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22720 @ 0.0005266 = 11.9644 BTC [-]

17:28:02 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

17:28:30 ascii_field: ;;later tell mircea_popescu node syncs without burping since sundown last night, and presently, 280480+

17:28:30 gribble: The operation succeeded.

17:29:20 mircea_popescu: ascii_field what sort of speed ?

17:30:04 ascii_field: approx same speed as when i sync from own lan

17:30:13 ascii_field: i.e. cpu-bound

17:31:52 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184251 << see the 'coke machine' thread

17:31:52 assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 16:48:08; decimation: yeah, nobody employed directly by usg knows how to torture, and it probably wouldn't work anyway

17:32:38 mircea_popescu: haha perfect.

17:32:39 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184248 << 'until you give up' - l0l! it makes zero game-theoretical sense for them to ever stop until you're mincemeat

17:32:39 assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 16:38:17; thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: this is what makes civil forfeiture of bitcoin terrifying, because instead of just pressing a button on a computer, they'll torture you until you give up your keys.

17:33:03 mircea_popescu: ascii_field or for you, for that matter.

17:33:10 ascii_field: (ergo, it makes zero game-theoretical sense for victim to give so much as a satoshi!)

17:33:10 mircea_popescu: hence the entire line on fraudsters re herr flondor.

17:33:44 mircea_popescu: the only way out of this is through congress mandating obama in solemn session to come suck our cocks with his special plane and everything. fly a little around the world.

17:33:47 mircea_popescu: until such happens...

17:34:27 decimation: note that air force one currently has special provisions to transport the press on board

17:34:41 decimation: in case you forget who calls the shots

17:35:07 decimation: at least, with respect to the project of making the president appear in charge

17:35:23 ascii_field: 'take'im to the press room.' 'where the newsmen are?' 'no, where we keep the press. for peine forte et dure.'

17:36:13 decimation: ascii_field: it's quite the opposite - politicians plead with the media to run favorable angles

17:46:48 shinohai: I want to try and run a node on this xD https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/hardware/

17:46:49 assbot: Bitnodes Hardware - Bitnodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1NzB2hQ )

17:47:41 ascii_field: shinohai: why?

17:47:47 ascii_field: that thing costs literally 10x a pogo

17:48:03 ascii_field: ~and~ your purchase supports satan.

17:48:40 shinohai: true. I found a pogo on craigslist *with* a HDD

17:48:54 shinohai: even though i have like 4

17:48:59 ascii_field: speaking of brand-new pogo, by the shovelfull, even

17:49:50 jurov: anyone'd like to bounce-mail some to europe?

17:50:26 ascii_field: jurov: i gave a few to davout, ask him if he'll part with one or two

17:51:12 shinohai: I'm just gonna buy a pogo or two w/ btc i suppose. An extra for the lab wouldn't hurt

17:51:29 shinohai: I never heard of the things until I read danielpbarron's piece.

17:52:19 ascii_field: shinohai: it all started with http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=22-01-2015#988286

17:52:19 assbot: Logged on 22-01-2015 19:36:33; mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Sounds like enough for almost everything but respectable BTC node << actually, if anyone could be arsed to publish a guide on "how to turn commercially available router into btc full node" i'd love him long time.

17:52:39 mircea_popescu: aha.

17:52:50 shinohai: I had tried to do that with DD-WRT xD

17:53:16 shinohai: just no place to store teh blockchain on my router

17:53:53 ascii_field: shinohai: trick was that you need a 'nas' box, not router

17:53:57 ascii_field: so then i found one

17:55:25 shinohai: I could see the pogo being a mass product, given a little 3-d printing magic

17:55:46 ben_vulpes: problem is chips not boxes

17:56:21 ascii_field: shinohai: unlike the various arm dev boards folks like to overpay for, 'pogo' actually comes in a spiffy plastic chassis, complete with disk vagina

17:56:57 ascii_field: and dc power brick

17:58:23 shinohai: I bought a bunch of gridseeds one time, and the power supplies were garbage.

17:58:43 shinohai: So i bought a few regulated supplies and still have them

18:02:08 shinohai: I'm still working on the electrum server thing, but I imagine it should fit neatly on the pogo as well.

18:02:36 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

18:02:42 ascii_field: shinohai: what's that

18:03:03 shinohai: electrum bitcoin wallet

18:03:07 ascii_field: what i mean is,

18:03:15 ascii_field: why is this needed if you have one or more full nodes at home.

18:03:54 shinohai: I dunno, BingoBoingo brought it up and I started playing with it.

18:04:08 shinohai: Needs a lot of work, all the rpc calls are broken

18:04:38 ascii_field: the 'light client' stuff has always stuck me as a step in the precisely wrong direction.

18:05:26 ascii_field: ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://cryptome.org/2015/07/force-038-049.pdf << carl force plea

18:05:31 gribble: The operation succeeded.

18:05:58 shinohai: I can live without them. cli is lightweight :D

18:11:14 trinque: ascii_field: what a hilariously inept crooked bastard.

18:11:41 trinque: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=nob

18:11:42 assbot: Urban Dictionary: nob ... ( http://bit.ly/1NzEt8n )

18:13:34 ascii_field: force went to the scaffold, as it usually happens, not for corruption, but for 'not knowing his place'

18:13:56 ascii_field: the annointed 'plum book' folks can take bribe, extort, to their heart's delight

18:14:12 ascii_field: so long as it is done within the customary hierarchy

18:14:13 mod6: ascii_field, mircea_popescu: am now pulling blocks from mp's seed with stator

18:14:26 ascii_field: mod6: neato

18:14:37 ascii_field: mod6: make sure you '-connect'

18:14:45 ascii_field: rather than -addseed

18:15:09 mod6: yeah? i used -addnode

18:15:24 ascii_field: mod6: if so, you're almost certainly pulling from some random schmuck

18:15:46 ascii_field: (one of my planned but yet-unwritten patches is a mechanism for fine-grained sync control)

18:16:24 mod6: the reason i did is because of: http://thebitcoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000101.html

18:16:26 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1NzEWHC )

18:16:38 ascii_field: presently the thing has exactly two settings - 'best phriendz' and 'planetary slut'

18:17:08 mod6: you link that email from the stator email saying "MUST run as described in", which says to use -addnode.

18:17:26 mod6: anyway, no worries, i'll stop the sync, use -connect :]

18:17:30 mod6: glad i asked!

18:17:43 ascii_field: the difference is that when you 'addnode', the thing carries on with collecting as many seed ips from wherever it knows about, as possible

18:17:48 ascii_field: and arbitrarily cycles between them

18:17:51 ascii_field: whenever one disconnects

18:18:09 ascii_field: '-connect' enables syncing from ~precisely one~ ip

18:18:22 ascii_field: (though, comically, it can still decide that said ip 'misbehaves' and is then left dead in the water)

18:18:27 ascii_field: ^ another thing to fix

18:18:39 trinque: the hilarious byzantine logic in this thing

18:19:09 ascii_field: trinque: to be fair, i killed all of the fallback sync mechanisms (irc, dns, hardcodedseeds)

18:19:10 trinque: maybe there's something easy-ish for me to take a crack at in there

18:19:21 trinque: I haven't written c++ in about 8 years

18:19:34 trinque: wanna start getting my hands dirty

18:19:46 ascii_field: trinque: this is more of a 'reader' than 'writer' affair anyway

18:20:48 mod6: ascii_field: ok, all set. running & sync'ing actively with: ./bitcoind -datadir=/mnt/btc-dev/.bitcoin -myip=W.X.Y.Z -connect=M.P.I.P &

18:20:59 ascii_field: neat

18:21:10 ascii_field: how many blocks in ?

18:21:35 mod6: 20k

18:22:04 ascii_field: any stalls ?

18:22:13 trinque: I think I'll get my pogo going again first, as that's the best device for me to do any blockchain syncing with

18:22:13 mod6: not yet.

18:22:29 mod6: i need to get MY pogo going! lol. it's just been sitting here in a box.

18:22:37 trinque: yeah mine's collecting dust on the tv stand

18:22:39 mod6: haven't had a chance to play iwth it yet.

18:22:48 trinque: gonna have to wireshark it up and figure out what IP it had, lol

18:22:55 trinque: rather, which it wants to give the boot console to

18:26:43 ascii_field: https://blockchain.info/address/14QPeQ2UZaMw9khqQeisVNT54j6A3U5KfE << l0l, it's still full

18:26:44 assbot: Bitcoin Address 14QPeQ2UZaMw9khqQeisVNT54j6A3U5KfE ... ( http://bit.ly/1NzG3H4 )

18:27:18 ascii_field: and who knew of it, to send the turds to ?

18:28:33 mod6: sometimes i feel like i should mod the old atcbot just to sit in here and do things like %addr <BTC_ADDRESS> and then spit back info, or for %block or %tx

18:29:12 kakobrekla: that address, what of it?

18:29:23 ascii_field: kakobrekla: it figures in the carl force confession

18:29:35 kakobrekla: ah

18:29:40 ascii_field: somewhere between 1/3 and 1/2 of his heap

18:30:05 trinque: mod6: seems like that'd be cool

18:30:08 trinque: moar botz!

18:30:23 mod6: lemme see..

18:35:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 132200 @ 0.00047988 = 63.4401 BTC [-] {4}

18:42:21 mod6: 113k

18:48:04 mod6: %h

18:48:05 btcbot: [ %d | %diff ] [ %tx <id> ] [ %bal <address> ] [ %m | %mined ] [ %b <height> | %block <height> ] [ %lb ] [ %tslb ] [ %h | %help ]

18:48:11 mod6: %bal 14QPeQ2UZaMw9khqQeisVNT54j6A3U5KfE

18:48:12 btcbot: [BTC Balance] Address: 14QPeQ2UZaMw9khqQeisVNT54j6A3U5KfE Balance: 400.00101 Total Received: 400.00101 Number TXs: 4

18:48:37 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

18:48:45 ascii_field: mod6: neat! how does it work ?

18:49:08 mod6: it talks to btc.blockr.io and parses some JSON

18:49:17 mod6: %d

18:49:18 btcbot: [BTC Diff] Current Diff: 49402014931.23 Est. Next Diff: 48635521157.02 in 1380 blocks (#364896) Est. % Change: -1.55

18:49:30 ascii_field: so essentially same thing as a 'blockchain.info' link, l0l

18:49:50 mod6: yeah, except that doesn't tell you anything unless you click through it

18:50:05 ascii_field: ah

18:50:30 mod6: for instance:

18:50:33 mod6: %bal 1FundZy7m7b8begbh9haCguKJcAdFopRJ9

18:50:34 btcbot: [BTC Balance] Address: 14QPeQ2UZaMw9khqQeisVNT54j6A3U5KfE1FundZy7m7b8begbh9haCguKJcAdFopRJ9 Balance: 0 Total Received: 0 Number TXs: 0

18:50:46 mod6: arg! lol

18:51:15 mod6: somehow cat'd that together. o.O, have to fix that

18:51:17 mod6: %tslb

18:52:01 *: mod6 looks around

18:52:30 mod6: aight might have to iron out some kinks.

18:54:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42150 @ 0.00050079 = 21.1083 BTC [+]

18:59:04 ascii_field: ;;later tell mats http://siliconexposed.blogspot.com/2013/08/laser-ic-decapsulation-experiments.html << looks like folks have tried the co2 laser ic decapping thing. tricky.

18:59:05 assbot: Silicon Exposed: Laser IC decapsulation experiments ... ( http://bit.ly/1LKVpel )

18:59:05 gribble: The operation succeeded.

19:02:04 ascii_field: ;;later tell mats wonder if anybody's tried it under hard vacuum

19:02:05 gribble: The operation succeeded.

19:05:19 punkman: ;;balance 1FundZy7m7b8begbh9haCguKJcAdFopRJ9

19:05:20 gribble: 11.93446524

19:05:55 jurov: i doubt, laser would generate plenty if gas... more like in inert atmosphere

19:06:16 ascii_field: whole point is to sublimate the epoxy to gas

19:06:21 ascii_field: which is pumped away

19:06:36 ascii_field: in the linked experiment, it failed to sublimate

19:06:57 jurov: ic

19:08:26 punkman: http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB11064341213388534269604581080473031895058

19:08:28 assbot: Mall Operators Begin Cultivating Startups - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1LKWBi5 )

19:08:28 mod6: ah, punkman thanks lol.

19:08:40 mod6: i didn't know it did that for some reason

19:16:47 mats: azonenberg is p cool

19:16:57 mats: i saw this some time ago when he tried with a cheaper laser: http://siliconexposed.blogspot.com/2013/08/laser-ic-decapsulation-experiments.html

19:16:58 assbot: Silicon Exposed: Laser IC decapsulation experiments ... ( http://bit.ly/1LKY2gf )

19:17:50 ascii_field: didn't i just like same

19:17:55 ascii_field: *link same

19:18:00 ascii_field: ?

19:18:26 mats: er

19:18:43 mats: scuse me

19:19:17 mats: i need some sleep

19:20:42 mod6: !up ascii_field

19:24:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51500 @ 0.00049687 = 25.5888 BTC [-]

19:37:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13250 @ 0.00049893 = 6.6108 BTC [+] {2}

19:37:29 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1182410 << incidentally, anyone remember the 'accidental' oceanic fiber cuts every few years, when nsa installs splitter taps ?!

19:37:29 assbot: Logged on 01-07-2015 04:17:01; decimation: http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2015/06/30/california-internet-outage/29521335/

19:41:23 mod6: 164k

19:44:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45200 @ 0.00051904 = 23.4606 BTC [+] {2}

19:49:29 trinque: ascii_field: makes a guy want to take up amateur submarining

19:51:25 mod6: !up ascii_field

20:03:12 mircea_popescu: mod6 o hey. nice.

20:03:41 mod6: well, maybe it doesn't make sense to do that if gribble does stuff.

20:03:56 mod6: haha

20:04:35 mod6: oh but yah, im sync'in

20:07:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57550 @ 0.00051905 = 29.8713 BTC [+]

20:08:48 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1183889 << i recall that grisly case when an elderly couple murdered-suicided themselves as the old lady was holding the stair for the gent who thought for some reason eh can use a chainsaw upside.

20:08:48 assbot: Logged on 01-07-2015 23:48:06; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1183884 << how many fall into woodchipper every day of the week

20:08:50 mircea_popescu: and then fell.

20:08:52 mircea_popescu: on her.

20:11:36 ascii_field: 'find some meat!' (tm) (r) ('doom2')

20:11:44 mircea_popescu: o boy.

20:12:06 mircea_popescu: "Through EZ Keys I can also control the mouse in Windows." stephen hawking uses wintel ? sad.

20:14:47 trinque: intel made his apparatus for him, iirc

20:14:47 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1183929 < nice.

20:14:47 assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 00:17:31; phf: all patches except reward overflow, cuminer snip and igprof, up to eatblock. mac os 10.8, built dynamically with llvm's c and cmake. synced about 5 days ago

20:15:03 mircea_popescu: trinque yeah there is that.

20:15:54 mircea_popescu: phf you know minigame's looking for someone who can compile of apple so ben_vulpes can play.

20:16:04 trinque: http://newsroom.intel.com/servlet/JiveServlet/showImage/38-8690-5835/Hawking_press1.jpg << lol @ him being a (slowly) moving billboard

20:16:06 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1NA4IvN )

20:16:30 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1183935 <<< this is the chief criteria in the classical harem. so... because the "people" being hired are chattel ?

20:16:30 assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 00:53:07; williamdunne: Why on earth anyone thinks hiring people for the sake of diversity is a good idea, I will never know

20:17:08 ascii_field: more of a zoo. 'zebra died, we need a zebra'

20:17:27 mircea_popescu: same thing.

20:17:46 mircea_popescu: omfg hawking is SEVENTYthree.

20:18:04 mircea_popescu: dude, by now he's not in much worse shape than any other seventy year old, not counting those who already died.

20:18:22 mircea_popescu: reversion to mean must be the main solace for early onset disability.

20:23:37 mod6: !up ascii_field

20:23:55 funkenstein_: george clinton one year older, still on tour

20:28:46 ascii_field: http://www.citlink.net/~bhima/emfcomp.htm << whole world of crackpottery. may be new to some folks

20:28:46 assbot: 404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1NA7AZJ )

20:30:37 trinque: ascii_field: ah thanks; this old performa's CRT has been giving me hives

20:39:44 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184349 << somebody oughta do a 'gcov'

20:39:44 assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 18:19:10; trinque: maybe there's something easy-ish for me to take a crack at in there

20:40:06 ascii_field: it isn't esp. hard, and would be tremendously useful

20:40:39 ascii_field: https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Invoking-Gcov.html#Invoking-Gcov

20:40:40 assbot: Invoking Gcov - Using the GNU Compiler Collection (GCC) ... ( http://bit.ly/1NAa4aq )

20:44:30 ascii_field: 'getdata is used in response to inv... ...t can be used to retrieve transactions, but only if they are in the memory pool or relay set - arbitrary access to transactions in the chain is not allowed to avoid having clients start to depend on nodes having full transaction indexes (which modern nodes do not).'

20:44:32 shinohai: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3bv90j/if_exchanges_arent_safe_places_to_store_bitcoin/cspt1hp

20:44:33 assbot: the_real_obola comments on If exchanges aren't safe places to store bitcoin why are they trust worthy enough to store my personal data? ... ( http://bit.ly/1KvORjv )

20:44:41 ascii_field: ^ anybody else regard this situation as shitgnomiferous ?

20:44:44 ascii_field: and worthy of correction

20:44:49 ascii_field: (speaking of 'getdata' here)

20:46:29 ascii_field: shinohai: see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=15-06-2015#1164408 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164411

20:46:29 assbot: Logged on 15-06-2015 15:50:15; asciilifeform: from the pov of the chumps, the more sinister aspect, as always, is the non-cryptographic concept of identity used in nato reich, where folks can actually impersonate you if they know a handful of basic biographical facts

20:46:29 assbot: Logged on 15-06-2015 15:52:37; asciilifeform: ultimately usg 'department of plenty' ~really~ wants money to get borrowed. whether you in particular like to borrow money or not. if some 'helpful' nigerian can do it in your name, so much the better from their pov.

20:48:27 kakobrekla: >Coinbase is advertising an "Unreliable solution" (instead of trustless solution) and "Busy function" (the English term is "feature full", which is supposed to mean "full of features", but they translated it as "the feature [is] full [of something]".

20:48:28 kakobrekla: lol!

20:50:34 trinque: ascii_field: testing tooling is probably a fine place to start for me; I'll look into gcov this weekend.

20:50:36 trinque: ty

20:51:17 mod6: 180k

20:51:27 ascii_field: 290160+

20:51:51 lobbes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=02-07-2015#1184191 << shit, you are right.

20:51:51 assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 16:01:48; kakobrekla: lobbes the last link in that lobbesbot msg is broked

20:52:44 lobbes: Hmm, my first guess is that it is a character limit set somewhere, though I'm just pulling that out of my ass

20:53:01 lobbes: thanks for the heads up. I'll look into it

20:53:32 kakobrekla: lobbes yeah at least on ircd side

20:53:36 punkman: irc limit

20:53:38 shinohai: heh ascii_field 'tis difficult to buy BTC here for real. CoinBase has shuttered me twice.

20:54:16 ascii_field: also need with what to buy!

20:54:26 kakobrekla: !up ascii_field

20:54:43 ascii_field: (laugh, but sometimes ~this~ is the hard bit)

20:55:54 decimation: shinohai: how did they 'shutter' you?

20:56:11 ascii_field: (world's most reliable btc-selling phriendz could not help you if you haven't with what to buy it...)

20:57:26 mircea_popescu: shinohai where is here ?

20:58:20 shinohai: I'm in the U.S. They froze my account first for sending to a gambling site, the second time it was my stoopid bank

20:58:43 shinohai: but meh, i hated coinbase anyway

20:59:35 kakobrekla: for sending to a gambling site < here you can use this currency that you can freely use as long as you dont use it freely

20:59:54 mircea_popescu: lol

21:00:33 decimation: shinohai: wait, they froze your btc wallet?

21:01:13 shinohai: yeh, only had $25 left in it, but they let me back in after 4-5 weeks? Then BoA shut me down

21:01:35 shinohai: Buying BTC is a "suspicious activity"

21:01:47 ascii_field: isn't BoA infamous for being, approx., the microshit of u.s. banks ?

21:01:51 kakobrekla: unless you are registered terrorist

21:01:52 trinque: ayep

21:02:05 shinohai: yeah, i no longer have a BoA account

21:02:07 trinque: BoA is the kind of bank that charges you for having an empty account

21:02:16 trinque: then charges you overdraft fees

21:02:17 trinque: goto 10

21:02:18 ascii_field: why anyone uses it is beyond me

21:02:40 kakobrekla: has 'america' in the name?

21:03:14 ascii_field: my current impression is that it once sucked an average amount, and then became what it is now

21:03:19 decimation: see, this is why usg doesn't need to actually 'make law'

21:03:29 decimation: it just has to let its unofficial organs know how the game should go

21:03:31 ascii_field: (once became dominant)

21:04:00 ascii_field: usgicity is infectious - no one wants to be the first fella to stop clapping when it's clap-for-stalin time

21:04:05 decimation: it was the 'beneficiary' of many of the the 2008 'bad loans'

21:04:09 ascii_field: (and yes, famously, he eventually had a bell installed)

21:05:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36550 @ 0.00052058 = 19.0272 BTC [+] {4}

21:07:00 shinohai: ;;ticker

21:07:01 gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 255.15, Best ask: 255.3, Bid-ask spread: 0.15000, Last trade: 255.01, 24 hour volume: 18016.50885563, 24 hour low: 253.0, 24 hour high: 262.61, 24 hour vwap: None

21:07:44 ascii_field: in other 'news', https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Disappointments.html#Disappointments

21:07:45 assbot: Disappointments - Using the GNU Compiler Collection (GCC) ... ( http://bit.ly/1NAgczp )

21:07:55 ascii_field: ^ confirms my hypothesis from several months ago

21:08:17 ascii_field: 'GCC comes with shell scripts to fix certain known problems in system header files. They install corrected copies of various header files in a special directory where only GCC will normally look for them. The scripts adapt to various systems by searching all the system header files for the problem cases that we know about.'

21:08:29 ascii_field: 'If new system header files are installed, nothing automatically arranges to update the corrected header files. They can be updated using the mkheaders script installed in libexecdir/gcc/target/version/install-tools/.'

21:08:46 ascii_field: (what hypothesis? that one - http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=03-04-2015#1086641 )

21:08:46 assbot: Logged on 03-04-2015 16:43:02; asciilifeform: my present hypothesis is that gcc is making 'unprincipled exceptions' for stdint.

21:09:06 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184255 <<< most i did was 1000mg, sweet spot was around 600-700 for me

21:09:06 assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 16:49:39; danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171891 << most i ever had at once was 600 mg in the form of 40 gel caps

21:09:10 trinque: did look like int related headers were magically appearing or not depending on where the build happened

21:09:35 ascii_field: gotta love this attitude

21:09:51 ascii_field: 'let's break semantics of everything because it isn't like anyone still expects anything to work as printed on the tin'

21:10:22 trinque: that one's on the disappointments page for the world's manual

21:10:51 shinohai: The #b-a purple drank

21:10:57 ascii_field: aha, and nobody mentioned it, nor did 'google' ever turn it up

21:11:11 ascii_field: had to stumble across it while pursuing an entirely unrelated matter

21:11:43 ascii_field: https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Fixed-Headers.html#Fixed-Headers

21:11:45 assbot: Fixed Headers - Using the GNU Compiler Collection (GCC) ... ( http://bit.ly/1NAh9b9 )

21:11:56 decimation: ascii_field: this must be a glibc vs gcc conflict?

21:12:05 decimation: after all, there can be only one /usr/include

21:12:12 *: ascii_field doesn't know, and, at this point, doesn't much care

21:12:21 ascii_field: 'hey hey, ho ho,' glibc 'has got to go'

21:12:46 decimation: drepper presaged poettering

21:12:46 ascii_field: shoot it, bury, pour cement.

21:13:45 ascii_field: poettering is small change

21:14:48 ascii_field: drepperization has touched more or less the entire known unixlike universe

21:18:23 trinque: and bezzlization burned down all alternative worlds

21:18:54 ascii_field: long, long ago.

21:25:28 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

21:25:31 ascii_field: http://ewontfix.com/12

21:25:33 assbot: EWONTFIX - Breakincludes ... ( http://bit.ly/1NAkwi4 )

21:25:55 ascii_field: ^ pretty lulzy site overall

21:25:57 ascii_field: recommended.

21:26:39 ascii_field: e.g., http://ewontfix.com/14

21:26:41 assbot: EWONTFIX - Broken by design: systemd ... ( http://bit.ly/1NAkKpA )

21:26:52 decimation: the official redhat gcc nukes the mkheaders script: rm -f $FULLEPATH/install-tools/{mkheaders,fixincl}

21:27:42 decimation: ^ from source package (.spec)

21:27:44 ascii_field: decimation: relevant:

21:27:45 ascii_field: 'Finally, I suppose one might wonder why something that seems so broken, as I've described fixincludes, might go undetected for so long. The explanation is simple: distros. Most users of GCC use binary packages prepared for a particular OS distribution, where the packager has already cleaned up most of the mess, either by building GCC in a sterile environment where it can't find any headers to pick up and hack up, or by

21:27:46 ascii_field: pruning the resulting include-fixed directory. Thus, the only people who have to deal with fixincludes are people who build GCC from the source packages, or who are setting up build scripts for their own deployment/distribution.'

21:28:19 ascii_field: the whole thing just desperately needs to die

21:28:39 ascii_field: http://ewontfix.com/1

21:28:41 assbot: EWONTFIX - Introducing EWONTFIX ... ( http://bit.ly/1NAlcEb )

21:29:15 decimation: what I find amusing is that gcc comes with system include files, but 'also depends' on glibc

21:29:56 ascii_field: 'musl's efficiency is unparalleled in Linux libc implementations. Designed from the ground up for static linking, musl carefully avoids pulling in large amounts of code or data that the application will not use. ... musl features the first post-NPTL implementation of POSIX threads for Linux, and the first aimed at complete conformance and robustness. Thread cancellation has been re-designed to avoid serious race

21:29:56 ascii_field: conditions in the original NPTL design. As for efficiency, the whole threads implementation weighs in at around 10-20k depending on target architecture and compiler settings.'

21:30:01 ascii_field: ^ who wants to try ?

21:30:41 ascii_field: (apparently 'ewontfix' is involved with 'musl')

21:31:09 ascii_field: http://www.musl-libc.org/how.html << works - or claims to - with stock gcc on existing system

21:31:10 assbot: musl - How to Use ... ( http://bit.ly/1IwxQnI )

21:32:40 ascii_field: 'When will it be finished?' 'When there's nothing left to remove.' (faq)

21:32:42 ascii_field: win.

21:33:20 decimation: lol

21:33:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102930 @ 0.00053093 = 54.6486 BTC [+]

21:33:59 ascii_field: 'sys-libs/musl' on gentoo!

21:35:18 ascii_field: 'Be aware that, "out of the box", the wrapper only supports C applications, not C++. This is because the C++ libraries and headers are missing from the musl include/library path. The existing libstdc++ is actually compatible with musl in most cases and could be used by copying it into the musl library path, but the C++ header files are usually not compatible. One option may be rebuilding just libstdc++ against musl;

21:35:18 ascii_field: however, if C++ support is needed, it's recommended just to build a native toolchain targetting musl.'

21:35:41 ascii_field: ^ not quite fire-and-forget

21:36:09 phf: maze of twisty little passages, all alike

21:36:11 decimation: well, nothing involving C++ is fire-and-forget

21:36:41 decimation: did you see that 'were gonna increment C++99 to C+14!!!!'

21:36:59 phf: mircea_popescu: i'll keep that i mind. i'd like to give it a try, but i still have memories of tedium and despair from last time i tried building a crystal space project on mac

21:37:16 mircea_popescu: seems to be the consensus so far.

21:37:57 decimation: ascii_field: note the commonality to all of these problems: "we own this namespace so you should accept our aliased symbols"

21:38:04 cazalla: BingoBoingo, seems we have our first protestor http://qntra.net/2015/07/uk-gambling-commission-strongarms-some-bitcoin-based-gambling-websites/#comment-29863

21:38:05 assbot: UK Gambling Commission Strongarms Some Bitcoin Based Gambling Websites | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1NAne7h )

22:08:09 BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184315 << The appeal is not in the "light client" but in the server that indexes the full node's blockchain and makes "transaction observatory" easier.

22:08:09 assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 18:03:15; ascii_field: why is this needed if you have one or more full nodes at home.

22:10:17 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

22:10:18 BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184310 << Prolly need more power, once bitcoind is sync'd electrum-server generates a whole new tens of gigs database of its own... You can ask Jurov about that

22:10:18 assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 18:02:08; shinohai: I'm still working on the electrum server thing, but I imagine it should fit neatly on the pogo as well.

22:10:59 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184577 << aaaaand to nobody's great surprise, go try, 'crossdev x86_64-pc-linux-musl', barfs in 'stage2'

22:10:59 assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 21:33:59; ascii_field: 'sys-libs/musl' on gentoo!

22:10:59 scoopbot_revived: Line betting on BitBet, June 2015 http://thewhet.net/2015/line-betting-on-bitbet-june-2015/

22:11:30 ascii_field: and the only search result for the barf turns up: http://pastebin.com/U4Q3X7X0

22:11:31 assbot: /var/tmp/portage/cross-x86_64-pc-linux-musl/gcc-4.6.3/work/build/./gcc/xgcc -sha - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1IwEOsY )

22:11:35 ascii_field: circa 2012.

22:13:07 hanbot: deedbot- http://thewhet.net/han/mpifpc4_062015.txt.asc

22:13:08 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IwEZ7y )

22:13:10 deedbot-: accepted: 1

22:13:30 shinohai: you know, why complicate things. I like the small bitcoind

22:13:45 ascii_field: wai wat

22:15:10 ascii_field: shinohai: 'small bitcoind' vs what ?

22:16:17 shinohai: vs. electrum

22:17:56 ascii_field: weird kludges which ultimately came from the retardation of the 'powerranger' bitcoind - e.g., inability to know when an addr has been paid, without having private key - are to be fixed in the proper way

22:18:22 ascii_field: that is, by removing the retardation which made them appear necessary

22:19:14 ascii_field: there was never any fucking reason to couple the addr-watching functionality with 'wallet'

22:19:21 ascii_field: it was screamingly stupid from day 1.

22:20:36 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1183975 << what's it at by now ?

22:20:36 assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 02:03:20; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 211814+

22:20:44 ascii_field: 294300+

22:20:47 kakobrekla: well that one goes all the way back to satoshi.

22:20:56 ascii_field: kakobrekla: aha

22:21:02 mircea_popescu: ah yeah. that sounds like a properly connected node ove ran actually functioning link for cryssakes.

22:21:06 mircea_popescu: cool.

22:21:18 kakobrekla: from the era of unencrypted wallets

22:21:27 ascii_field: kakobrekla: but look at all the folks who could have done something about it, and instead pulled each other's cocks

22:21:36 mircea_popescu: you both have a solid point.

22:22:02 mircea_popescu: what's worse, look at the people who claimed to be and acted as if they were actually doing useful work

22:22:11 mircea_popescu: while in fact pulling each other's cock. it's a sickening display.

22:22:44 ascii_field: hey, usg paid'em to sit and pull. those cocks won't pull themselves

22:23:00 mircea_popescu: paid my foot.

22:23:07 mircea_popescu: usg isn't even paying lawsky's pension.

22:24:15 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the way this works is that if mr pension is ever short on dough, he gets 'honorary professorship' at yalprincevard, or 'lecture fee', or 'consultantship' at lockheed, etc

22:24:33 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1183987 << wrong on a lot of things. the only thing dropping a nuke will do is ensure the dropper loses.

22:24:33 assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 02:26:47; mats: passably decent analysis overall, although the journalist is quite wrong about ru military inferiority and nato military superiority

22:24:44 ascii_field: http://qntra.net/2015/06/cuny-keeps-bezzle-flowing-to-krugman << like this

22:24:45 assbot: CUNY Keeps Bezzle Flowing to Krugman | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1IwGnHf )

22:25:06 mircea_popescu: you're comparing britni with random ho waiting tables.

22:25:21 ascii_field: possibly

22:25:25 mircea_popescu: give it some time, he'll go the way of that cornel west fucktard in due time

22:25:35 mircea_popescu: nothing's fickler than the socialist.

22:25:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39050 @ 0.0004935 = 19.2712 BTC [-]

22:26:34 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1183999 << no i know, was just amusing.

22:26:34 assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 03:19:47; ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181766 << not worth a thousand words eh ? << only maybe if well curated, but that breaks the whole algorithmic share allocation routine

22:27:27 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184001 << well, look it up. there's a present risk of suffocation, and most sudden infant death correlates with shared sleeping arrangements. baby should have a cot, something. even if it's just a sling hanging off a hook by side of your bed.

22:27:27 assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 03:22:19; ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1182919 << why? and how can i possibly evaluate any advice in this context?

22:30:34 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184009 << i wouldn't issue such a command. why wouldn't your driver cook at your command ? because if you live like that, the only guarantee is that you'll be overrun with assorted vermin.

22:30:34 assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 03:51:09; ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> who wants to run an editor that can open the net ? << why wouldn't your editor connect to the net at your command?

22:33:30 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184025 << nah, it's drastically visible. you're basically saying "i couldn't spot a firefly because everything generates a little radiation"

22:33:30 assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 04:08:54; decimation: plenty of places in the us have U just laying around in the ground

22:36:45 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184085 << ahaha this is great. but in fairness, the chick seemed quite pleasant, no idea why he went all berserk on her ass.

22:36:45 assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 07:42:48; ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1183439 << lol fess up dpb i want to hear this story

22:36:51 mircea_popescu: well... an inkling of an idea.

22:36:53 decimation: no, my point is that there are places that have enough 'natural' radiation to require very large 'dirty bomb'

22:37:03 decimation: to accomplish a similiar level of background

22:37:27 decimation: to the point where it would be simpler just to johnny-appleseed the material around an area yourself

22:40:18 decimation: my meta-point being that there's places where humans seem to survive just fine while being exposed to a few more zeros worth of radiation than 'normal people'

22:42:36 kakobrekla: like Semipalatinsk for example

22:43:18 mircea_popescu: well your last point may well stand on its own. we really know precious little about radio-bio interaction.

22:43:28 mircea_popescu: but the former does not. it IS very visible.

22:46:19 decimation: yeah, it might be visible, but the effort going into turning a bomb into an 'aerosol delivery system' is probably wasted. Like ascii's point about chemical EMP bombs

22:46:57 decimation: !up bitspill

22:47:10 danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1173021 << i met a girl at porcfest who is either a maidsafe dev or in some way associated with them; she said to me "hey aren't you that guy who's always on about the WoT on twitter?"

22:47:10 assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 22:51:50; williamdunne: Has anything been said by maidsafe recently?

22:48:12 decimation: danielpbarron: does the 'free state project' still exist?

22:48:28 decimation: I don't recall them making much headway on the political climate of new hampshire

22:48:33 danielpbarron: yeah but it doesn't amount to much

22:48:43 trinque: 16,832 of 20,000 according to the site

22:48:47 trinque: committed to move

22:48:47 danielpbarron: basically only attracts a bunch of losers

22:48:57 trinque: ^ this was my experience of the whole libertarian community

22:49:28 trinque: and the ron paul people

22:49:55 danielpbarron: they're all into this whole "polyamory" thing which is a just ephemism for mysandry

22:49:59 decimation: well, because almost by definition they have removed themselves from any kind of power, being against usg as it exists

22:50:16 danielpbarron: euphemism* \\ and this is necessary for them because there are so many more men than women who sign

22:50:33 decimation: as in, one woman for multiple men?

22:50:38 danielpbarron: pretty much

22:51:11 danielpbarron: they don't describe it that way; it could be a guy with multiple girls, but it probably never is

22:51:19 decimation: lol. well I guess that's consistant with a male who also removes himself from any hope of having power

22:51:22 danielpbarron: with the exception of the "celebritarians" who basically have harems

22:51:33 trinque: danielpbarron: I don't recall ever encountering a "polyamorist" who was not female\

22:51:57 trinque: decimation: lol

22:52:18 trinque: I tend to mentally make note that the person's a disease supernode and move on

22:52:52 trinque: in portland "polyamory" means "I'm going to fuck other men and tell you about it"

22:53:26 danielpbarron: yep, that.

22:53:47 danielpbarron: and they are usually ugly and surrounded by drama

22:54:37 danielpbarron: it's like the worst of both worlds of being a single slut and being in a committed relationship

22:55:06 shinohai: The single life for me

22:55:12 trinque: framing taking abuse as a matter of enlightenment is the oldest cult swindle there is

22:55:12 decimation: emphasizing their female empowerment by communicating how being with men is important to them?

22:55:34 decimation: aka 'hazing', nearly all institutions have some form

22:56:01 trinque: muh poor foreskin

22:56:25 BingoBoingo: cazalla: Oh I though we had protestors already

22:56:37 danielpbarron: at least this time around everyone knew who i was (that mean Bible guy who's also affilated with that mean exchange operator) and got very few culty "why haven't you signed yet" lectures

22:57:06 cazalla: BingoBoingo, i don't think it becomes a protest until he's hung about a few days and commented the same shit a few times but either way, haters gon' hate

22:57:19 trinque: danielpbarron: mean bible guy lol

22:57:49 trinque: least you actually read the book

22:58:37 danielpbarron: it worked out well for my assassins game -- all the dirty looks I was getting made me constantly paranoid that my assassin was going to get me at any moment

22:59:09 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184679 <<< sounds like the same women who play mmorpgs

22:59:09 assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 22:53:47; danielpbarron: and they are usually ugly and surrounded by drama

22:59:16 shinohai: Aren't you a Xtian danielpbarron ?

22:59:22 danielpbarron: shinohai, ya

22:59:46 shinohai: I thought I noticed something about it on your site.

23:00:57 shinohai: I tend to avoid religious materials.

23:01:14 danielpbarron: as stupid as the free state is, they throw a decent party for a week, and it's worth attending soley for meeting chicks and playing assassin so i'll probably go again next year

23:01:49 danielpbarron: and there's also poker (speaking of which, give it a few years and that festival will be entirely about poker)

23:02:10 trinque: I tend to think the libertarian thing (minimal state, so on) only works if the people thereof are well conditioned into accepting hierarchy.

23:02:13 danielpbarron: last year there was 1 table; this year there were at least 3 (i heard about others)

23:03:29 trinque: so yeah, you're free, now go to work for someone better than you

23:03:41 trinque: might've been something like what the USA was back when

23:04:05 danielpbarron: you'd think, but they are more of the socialist nature than they'd like to admit to themselves which becomes quite apparent when someone like me starts advocating feudalism and slavery

23:04:58 mats: lol

23:05:00 trinque: danielpbarron: I've heard so called libertarians derp on about "libertarian socialism"

23:05:42 decimation: yeah about 90% of the libertarians I've encoutnered on the internet and otherwise are socialists with reservations

23:05:53 trinque: decimation: socialism plus weed!

23:06:11 danielpbarron: lots of weed!

23:06:15 decimation: note they are all in for changing shit that doesn't matter in the least, like whether you can smoke weed

23:06:17 mats: how many asians you got walking around porcfest dpb

23:06:23 danielpbarron: hahaha

23:06:27 danielpbarron: i saw a bunch playing poker actually

23:06:37 danielpbarron: one of the best guys at the table was some sort of asian

23:06:38 mats: maybe ill go next year

23:06:42 danielpbarron: and took the host for over 1k

23:06:48 danielpbarron: you totally should

23:06:50 mats: i try not to stand out too much

23:06:59 danielpbarron: you will be the coolest person there

23:07:06 danielpbarron: !gettrust assbot mats

23:07:07 assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user mats: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 4 via 4 connections. | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=mats | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/mats/

23:08:11 danielpbarron: and that whole "there aren't any women in the liberty movement" thing is total B.S. -- there just aren't enough to go around the crowd of poor losers that ends up collecting around the bon fire late at night

23:08:50 danielpbarron: "i'm in the b-a WoT" is a decent pick up line, surprisingly or unsurprisingly enough

23:09:22 mats: how would these people know what that is

23:09:51 danielpbarron: many didn't, but they think that they are bitcoiners so it isn't a hard bridge to cross

23:10:07 decimation: lol. "crypto enthusiasts"

23:10:51 mats: i have had a tricky time broaching the subject

23:11:02 danielpbarron: which subject?

23:11:07 mats: first impression goes well, second time around its like...

23:11:35 mats: who is this popescu guy that's constantly talking about enslaving people and why is this mpex page so ugly

23:11:47 shinohai: I like wot. it requires discipline.

23:12:06 mats: bitcoin is stupid, man, it was at 1200 and now its at 250

23:12:37 danielpbarron: if you believe what you're saying and have confidence then the rest falls into place

23:12:56 danielpbarron: people want to be in the presence of someone who knows what they are doing

23:13:08 danielpbarron: even if they don't quite understand it or might have reservations about it

23:13:19 mats: invariably people don't want to be associated with genuine seditionists

23:13:29 mats: and i get that

23:13:37 danielpbarron: that's a win win because i don't want to be associated with them either

23:13:59 decimation: me neither

23:14:05 danielpbarron: i had quite a few people get full on trigged by me, to the point where they needed a cuddle session from a blue haired wildebeast

23:14:24 mats: well, i like having a rl network and assets i can rely on for their particular talents

23:14:28 danielpbarron: one of which was set off by my "keep calm and abandon OpenSSL" t-shirt

23:14:35 mats: being difficult is not something i'm interested in doing

23:15:29 danielpbarron: i told him that I don't trust https in general and he completely flipped out to where he was yelling accusations like "you're going to get exposed for the fraud you are! we use https here!" or something like that

23:15:40 decimation: lulz

23:16:17 mats: regular folk need https

23:18:06 mats: we're all on the same page here, but telling people https is untrustworthy when they've no deep technical knowledge isn't helpful

23:18:16 mats: it encourages mythical distrust of computers

23:19:01 mats: things like HSTS does raise the technical difficulty of performing attacks against regular folks

23:19:20 trinque: sure, from the mitm perspective

23:19:27 trinque: they're still probably working on an utterly infested device

23:20:33 trinque: mats: I see your point though; it is probably best to frame it as a conversation around the limitations of https

23:20:43 trinque: rather than just leaving it at DEATH TO TLS

23:21:43 danielpbarron: mats, that particular guy thought he had deep technical knowledge i guess. Enough to know what OpenSSL and LibreSSL are, and enough to suppose that he knew more than I did and that he'd help "expose" me

23:21:58 trinque: lol @ "I'll expose you!"

23:22:13 trinque: danielpbarron: was it this guy?

23:22:15 trinque: http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/0c9109c71ea0524d9fe840f91fabd67bb94a26a9/r=537&c=0-0-534-712/local/-/media/USATODAY/onpolitics/2013/02/14/geraldo-3_4.jpg

23:22:15 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FWoIme )

23:22:54 danielpbarron: no he had more of the meth addict look going for him

23:22:57 lobbesbot: New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=30064771079 (Andreas Fleig ; ) http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CEB08E08EEF3C71AEC185767B076C306E945E535BE55A8CAAAB9378A9F7CD4D1#E6862E9CF7D3D0B7C87FE0B186E6AB02D2020D7C5C18A25838096437544B363F || Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=30064771079 (Andreas Fleig ; ) http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CEB08E08EEF3C71AEC185767B076C306E945E535BE55A8CAAAB9378A9F7CD4D1#74A9FEE897AF

23:22:59 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Crgd2e )

23:25:28 trinque: somebody's gotta eventually ask one of these germans what e-mail clients and plugins they may have used over the years

23:30:36 shinohai: that blkcut utility is bitchin'

23:40:00 mod6: cool shinohai

23:40:19 mod6: 192k+

23:41:09 asciilifeform: trinque: i can think of no reason to suppose that the folks named in the keys had anything whatsoever to do with submitting the 32bit-diddled versions

23:42:14 trinque: asciilifeform: yeah, I see your point

23:46:00 asciilifeform: the 'email client' thing, if you recall, was a canned fabrication by the 'debunking' fella

23:46:30 asciilifeform: (not that it is impossible, but there is nothing to recommend it vs any other hypothesis)

23:48:09 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184748 << in order to formulate ~rational~ distrust, you need literacy. which is not and cannot be a mass phenomenon. hence the choice, for the lumpens, is between mystical trust and mystical distrust

23:48:09 assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 23:18:16; mats: it encourages mythical distrust of computers

23:48:24 asciilifeform: and not of computers (which, last i saw, did not program themselves) - but of ~people~

23:48:31 asciilifeform: particular people.

23:49:09 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184723 << wai wat ?!

23:49:09 assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 23:08:50; danielpbarron: "i'm in the b-a WoT" is a decent pick up line, surprisingly or unsurprisingly enough

23:50:12 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184659 << in a very important sense, those folks are the ~strongest~ believers in usg as a concept

23:50:12 assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 22:48:28; decimation: I don't recall them making much headway on the political climate of new hampshire

23:50:39 asciilifeform: just as the 'гласность' folks were the strongest believers, in their time, in concept of ussr

23:51:10 asciilifeform: in both cases, the pathology of failing to 'set the bozo bit' on a philosophically-bankrupt system

23:57:37 trinque: asciilifeform: big time, the libertarians tend to self-describe as "real" americans

23:57:40 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184666 << as i understand, this is an example of 'smv' (sexual market value) as described by mocsny and kokkarinen at work. it takes the form of 'man: what can i afford' 'woman: with your bid, you can afford to be my driver and pay two-thirds of my rent. in return, you get every 47th fuck, if good behaviour.'

23:57:40 assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 22:49:55; danielpbarron: they're all into this whole "polyamory" thing which is a just ephemism for mysandry

23:58:08 asciilifeform: trinque: aha, precisely like the 'real communists'