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00:00:26 asciilifeform: dafuq was ~in~ that tx, mircea_popescu

00:00:36 asciilifeform: 10,000 microbitbet winningz ?

00:01:00 kakobrekla: bitbet needs bigger blocks!

00:01:22 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-09-2015#1259321 << my point was that stack was trying to play tax games while having no financial meat on his bones, nowhere to run, no money for lawyering

00:01:22 assbot: Logged on 01-09-2015 23:53:24; mircea_popescu: and no stack's not fucking germane. he was trying to insulate HIS INCOME. i was discussing optimizing YOUR EXPENDITURE. not like items.

00:02:04 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: a corp with zero income, tonnes of spending, no plausible reason for existence save tax shelter for a schmuck, and zero usg blessing (rather the opposite!) is just a request for gassing

00:02:51 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-09-2015#1259316 << mile of log with this happening on my node? or also elsewhere ?

00:02:51 assbot: Logged on 01-09-2015 23:50:16; mircea_popescu: i have a mile of logs showing the behaviour without exception.

00:04:15 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nope, it's tiny. single output

00:04:51 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform on your node and each and every other node i know of.

00:06:38 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: most spiffy

00:06:44 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://dpaste.com/3N5DRSD

00:06:45 assbot: dpaste: 3N5DRSD ... ( http://bit.ly/1FidVDV )

00:07:29 mircea_popescu: (to cuantify, i stopped counting at 500.)

00:07:47 asciilifeform: continued in pm

00:11:39 asciilifeform: http://dpaste.com/1M9M4KV.txt << l0l

00:11:40 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JKuIFa )

00:13:09 asciilifeform: (grep output. looking at the actual log presently)

00:22:47 asciilifeform: anyway, fwiw my node tries to send it.

00:23:01 asciilifeform: and nothing about disconnects.

00:23:07 asciilifeform: problem is on mircea_popescu's end.

00:23:32 asciilifeform: (that is, his node hangs up.)

00:29:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16888 @ 0.00067926 = 11.4713 BTC [-]

00:30:09 mircea_popescu: !gettrust VariaVarietatis

00:30:11 assbot: Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user VariaVarietatis: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=mircea_popescu&to=VariaVarietatis | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/VariaVarietatis/

00:30:11 mats: http://www.pogo.org/blog/2015/08/army-must-pay-kbr-legal-expenses.html

00:30:13 assbot: Army Ordered to Pay KBR’s Legal Expenses ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fihkmc )

00:31:18 mircea_popescu: no u!

00:32:24 mircea_popescu: mats of course ?

00:32:46 mircea_popescu: obv govt will try to wiggle out of its own promises, being the government of the united states that's at issue here.

00:32:56 mircea_popescu: but otherwise, who the fuck do you think will ever work for them without indemnity ?

00:33:01 mircea_popescu: they break the law. all the time.

00:33:47 mats: whoa, whoa, such cynicism

00:34:18 mircea_popescu: tis the truth. i personally wouldn't work with a rogue entity even if it promises "rly for srs" to cover my legal costs.

00:34:23 phf: asciilifeform: yeah, suggestion is not intended as the correct solution. more like send kill -HUP -> system goes into an hour long snapshot state

00:34:24 mircea_popescu: but then again other people are stupid

00:34:56 mircea_popescu: (in kbr's case, it's not that they're stupid, it's that they were raped. the classic "we provide indemnity so now you may not not break the law as we tell you to" trick. "key is in your pocket" in legal parlance)

00:35:12 mircea_popescu: !rate VariaVarietatis 1 Euloran

00:35:12 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/530ce9b2ff3f37b9

00:35:34 mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.VariaVarietatis.1:f7aa6b3fcbc2ebb3075b180556394cded6a0dfe953805ad91bd3adaad4b9156a

00:35:34 assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for VariaVarietatis with note: Euloran

00:37:55 mats: dunno about that. from intel i've gathered, it appears KBR did the raping here

00:38:55 mats: raped DoD, orc locals, just finished raping USG in their own court

00:39:05 mircea_popescu: yaya, im sure that's how it went.

00:39:09 mircea_popescu: ceo mr goldstein

00:42:03 mircea_popescu: the poor usg how it only wanted to restore peace and democracy to those poor iraquians, beleaguered by corrupt officials and tyrannycal despotism as they were, and then this capitalist concern of evil capital came and abused the entire good will of the people of usia and their elected representatives.

00:42:07 mats: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/04/world/middleeast/04electrocute.html << exemplary

00:42:10 assbot: Despite Alert, Flawed Wiring Still Kills G.I.’s - New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1FiiUo4 )

00:42:10 mircea_popescu: what world we live in ;/

00:43:29 mats: FTR, i do actually believe that Bush et. al were naive enough to believe AFG/IRQ needed and wanted democracy

00:44:34 mircea_popescu: that was then.

00:45:20 mircea_popescu: meanwhile it's more like "we've been using temporary shelter in a permanent manner for the past decade and why is this insulation falling off"

00:46:30 mircea_popescu: but in lighter news, http://38.media.tumblr.com/963cd7a4cbcf306dbbbba80e07570c27/tumblr_naxm4m6aEa1rwaupfo1_500.gif

00:46:31 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KpThJJ )

00:59:30 funkenstein_: mats: 以夷治夷成依法意义, something like that?

01:43:54 mats: funkenstein_: i am having difficulty finding the source of the idiom (and subsequently how it is properly written) but the second half does not parse

01:47:14 mats: it may be that i remembered it incorrectly, i am only partially literate and recall the phrase from a translation of a ming text

01:47:17 funkenstein_: thanks, that was just my guess

01:51:14 mats: the phrase happens to predate 'yi yi zhi yi'

01:55:45 *: mod6 has one of those summertime colds

01:56:47 mircea_popescu: i got some sort of low cold too

01:57:16 mod6: i've sneezed about 34 times today.

01:57:33 mod6: and i'm running a fever now. annoying.

01:58:53 mod6: (19:17) <+ben_vulpes> mod6 probably has his own as well. << mine is basically a by hand list. it really needs some attention/tlc. I gotta get something more structured.

01:59:39 mod6: not sure if I wanna use trac or anything at this point.. but some cosideration is warrented for /something/ resonable for at least personal use.

01:59:45 mod6: *consideration

02:00:15 mod6: I'll add it to my to-do list ;]

02:01:43 mod6: ima go and try to catch up on these logs and get some extra zzzs. have a good evening all!

02:06:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.00068799 = 4.3343 BTC [+]

02:12:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61982 @ 0.00069495 = 43.0744 BTC [+] {8}

02:14:22 deedbot-: [fraudsters] Micul Botanist - http://fraudsters.com/2015/micul-botanist/

02:20:50 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259375 << they raped the u.s. ~taxpayer~. not to be confused with the stainless steel, quite unrapeable orifice of usg proper.

02:20:50 assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 00:38:55; mats: raped DoD, orc locals, just finished raping USG in their own court

02:21:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6018 @ 0.00069786 = 4.1997 BTC [+]

02:21:30 asciilifeform: when it 'would not do' to lose a lawsuit, or so much as permit one to be heard, they invoke sovereign privilege and that's that.

02:22:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5587 @ 0.00068055 = 3.8022 BTC [-]

02:42:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5621 @ 0.00069705 = 3.9181 BTC [+]

02:44:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50484 @ 0.00069997 = 35.3373 BTC [+] {4}

03:45:04 mats: it appears ru is now operating a combat outpost in syria

03:45:52 asciilifeform: ru gotta churn inventory too, y'know

03:46:47 mats: multiple folks report: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/09/01/russia-puts-boots-on-the-ground-in-syria.html and http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4696268,00.html

03:46:49 assbot: Russia Puts Boots on the Ground in Syria - The Daily Beast ... ( http://bit.ly/1VvfVSE )

03:46:49 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1VvfVSG )

03:48:34 mats: however, rt denies jets have been sent in country https://www.rt.com/news/314010-syria-russia-planes-isis

03:48:34 assbot: 'No Russian jets sent to Syria' - military source on 'expeditionary force' report — RT News ... ( http://bit.ly/1Vvg8p6 )

03:49:44 mats: a denial of any troop movements in country, in fact

03:51:47 mats: how curious

03:53:41 asciilifeform: mats: tastes great with the earlier orl0l from today

03:54:12 asciilifeform: (the one concerning isis-as-junkyard-dog-of-usg hypothesis)

03:57:29 mircea_popescu: ru denials are about as good as us denials.

03:57:38 mircea_popescu: ~=confirmation within a first approximation

04:00:48 mats: I suspect daesh anticipated this play (not the first time its been used) and exploited USG willingness to aid

04:01:04 mircea_popescu: possibru

04:01:25 mats: I can't think of anyone capable of opposing them on the field

04:01:36 mircea_popescu: the ru aren't infantry capable either.

04:01:45 mircea_popescu: they got a good plane, which keeps the us in check. but infantry wise...

04:01:46 mircea_popescu: heh.

04:01:52 mircea_popescu: infantry is hard.

04:02:42 mircea_popescu: they got 5-10k elite, and they're playing heroes of might and magic with them around the map. because even one lost is a horribru disaster. not replenishable.

04:06:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15250 @ 0.00069921 = 10.663 BTC [-]

04:06:28 mats: I am considering how to word the terms of a bet regarding the fall of Baghdad in a year's time

04:08:04 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: why not replenishable ?

04:09:16 pete_dushenski: "The hockey stick told us that the recent warming period (1950 to 1998) was unusual in the last thousand years and that this sort of sudden warming had (supposedly) never happened before and that man’s CO2 emissions were (presumably) the cause."

04:09:23 mats: got a suggestion? I'll lay out a couple coins for it

04:09:36 pete_dushenski: "As noted above it was an extraordinary claim, yet it was accepted instantly without checking it. This had the effect of destroying the credibility of the IPCC and the previously respected publication Nature."

04:09:55 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: and 'climategate' Unhappened, yes

04:10:00 pete_dushenski: "Basically, Mann had mined many series of numbers looking for hockey stick shapes and gave each series that had the shape he wanted a much higher weight, up to a weighting factor of 392!"

04:10:13 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: whisked under the rug. aha

04:10:26 asciilifeform: btw that was orlov's lowest point, imho

04:10:43 pete_dushenski: "Contrary to the myth that 97% of climate scientists believe we are headed toward a man-made climate doom, the truth is that a very small group of second rate climate scientists have captured the attention of some prominent political and media figures. "

04:10:44 asciilifeform: he wrote a piece ~literally~, i shit thee not, arguing that it Does Not Count Because Stolen

04:11:05 asciilifeform: as in, seriously argued that no one must take the revelations into account

04:11:10 asciilifeform: Because It Was Stolen

04:12:03 pete_dushenski: sounds like judge who released mass murderer free and clear because cops obtained evidence poorly, only to have murderer continue spree

04:12:39 asciilifeform: then he deleted the whole thing.

04:13:07 pete_dushenski: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/08/28/a-detailed-review-of-the-book-a-disgrace-to-the-profession-by-mark-steyn/ << quoted

04:13:11 assbot: A detailed review of the book: ‘A Disgrace to the Profession’, by Mark Steyn | Watts Up With That? ... ( http://bit.ly/1VviPqz )

04:13:55 asciilifeform: the climategate thing is why i do not credit mircea_popescu's hypothesis re: orlov being a minion of moscow. orlov fellates the boston harvaprinceyaleton liberast-wing-usg orthodoxy

04:14:11 asciilifeform: of climatocalypse, 'black lives', the whole shebang.

04:14:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16007 @ 0.00070008 = 11.2062 BTC [+]

04:14:48 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: could also be flexible tether on leash

04:15:06 asciilifeform: (incidentally, did anyone else notice how the recent 'police brutality' mediatronic kick began immediately after several sheriffs in usa openly declared intent to nullify federal laws ?

04:15:08 asciilifeform: )

04:15:38 asciilifeform: the discreditation of local police apparatus, for its eventual demolition and replacement by unified fed gendarmerie, is going on schedule.

04:15:55 asciilifeform: and just about everybody, right, left, center, happily buying in.

04:16:31 pete_dushenski: it's not clear to me that the fedcops are enjoying such a sterling reputation these days

04:16:39 asciilifeform: they don't need to.

04:16:43 pete_dushenski: no ?

04:16:44 asciilifeform: just to fill the power vacuum

04:16:55 asciilifeform: that will form when the local police are 'regulated' and then castrated.

04:17:13 asciilifeform: then usa gets a 'guardia civil' like every other major industrialized country.

04:17:21 pete_dushenski: bah. the more valuable chain wins. in whose eyes though, i can't say

04:17:25 asciilifeform: unified under 'dhs'

04:18:06 pete_dushenski: that sounds like the stage is set for cops v cops

04:18:27 pete_dushenski: which, hey, is fine by me

04:19:37 asciilifeform: for crushing rebellion, one uses troops from far-off places, rather than sympathetic locals. this was known to romans, persians, everyone.

04:20:05 asciilifeform: polizei from wisconsin will shoot floridians. from alaska, in california.

04:20:44 asciilifeform: !up Vexual

04:21:02 Vexual: well then

04:21:40 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: the line-up to be a merc ~on us soil~ must be shallower than obama's veil of intelligence

04:22:25 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: what line-up. employees follow orders in usa.

04:22:56 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: just like su conscripts happily massacred rioting factory workers. and it was hushed up well enough that even westerners are surprised to be told about it (incidents in 1960s)

04:23:40 pete_dushenski: back when hushing up was possible, sure.

04:23:46 pete_dushenski: now : digital age

04:24:17 asciilifeform: works better than ever.

04:24:23 asciilifeform: via folks giving less of a shit than ever.

04:24:25 asciilifeform: about anything.

04:24:53 asciilifeform: and there being fewer ~people~ in the genuine sense of the word, than ever, to give said shit.

04:25:01 pete_dushenski: except people who actually give a shit have never had better tools at their disposal

04:25:11 pete_dushenski: doesn't take many

04:25:20 pete_dushenski: in fact, it takes fewer than ever before

04:37:09 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: Novocherkassk massacre (there is some material in engl.)

04:40:01 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSlnOv8R4Kg

04:42:13 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://www.redplenty.com/Red_Plenty/Logic.html << apparently this, too, exists in english.

04:42:14 assbot: Logic ... ( http://bit.ly/1JxbvDp )

04:42:14 gribble: The operation succeeded.

04:42:54 asciilifeform: '...in 1969 a disastrous decision was taken to standardise all production on clones of the IBM 360 series, half a decade old before the effort to reverse-engineer it even began, which would ensure that ever after the Soviet industry was doomed to obsolescence, and to feeble belated imitations of foreign technology. This, taken from Boris Malinovsky?s Pioneers of Soviet Computing, is the conversation that killed the industry.

04:42:54 asciilifeform: It?s 18th December 1969; the scene is Minradioprom, the Ministry for Radio Production...'

04:43:01 asciilifeform: ^ as seen in ancient logz.

04:44:54 Vexual: havy

04:46:05 Vexual: one eyed fuckin beasts

04:48:06 Vexual: for hanbot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpLk0jtUenY

04:48:57 Vexual: recycling stuff for a purpose

05:21:46 pete_dushenski: http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-33994947

05:21:48 assbot: Black pitmasters left out of US barbecue boom - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1ExuznZ )

05:28:43 BingoBoingo: Oh, I come back from the baseball game and asciilifeform has some leads for me to qntra mebbe

05:31:05 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not replenishable because the natural rate of decay through aging is negative. ie, su shittifies like everything. if in 2000 it could produce 0.0001% of population, in 2020 it can produce only 0.0000965%. as population itself declines, the natural size of the thing shrinks. 10k in 2000, 9972 in 2001 etc.

05:31:17 mircea_popescu: think in terms of "talented soccer players" or anything else, it's the exact same story.

05:31:29 mircea_popescu: "progress" means, smaller contingents of anything useful as time goes by.

05:32:27 mircea_popescu: <pete_dushenski> "Contrary to the myth that 97% of climate scientists believe we are headed toward a man-made climate doom, the truth is that a very small group of second rate climate scientists have captured the attention of some prominent political and media figures. " <<< this is how "gamergate" happened too, and everthing else. "race relations", "gender issues", you name it.

05:32:57 mircea_popescu: a tiny group of second rate twerps THAT KNOW they're second rate band together, and because the world is so sick on this "everyone's equal" jizz, they can't be repressed effectually.

05:33:10 BingoBoingo: Also my team was playing one of asciilifeform's local teams. Washington DC lost.

05:33:23 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> then he deleted the whole thing. << the truly damning part.

05:33:47 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> orlov fellates the boston harvaprinceyaleton liberast-wing-usg orthodoxy <<< and moscow does not ? puhleaze.

05:34:43 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> and just about everybody, right, left, center, happily buying in. << i'm buying in because i do not believe local resistence is a good idea. the whole thing should burn, and pockets of sanity just make the burn last longer and hurt more.

05:34:45 BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-09-2015#1259211 << St Louis in its northern parts got radiotracers sprayed around

05:34:45 assbot: Logged on 01-09-2015 22:14:20; ascii_field: iirc san fran.

05:38:14 mircea_popescu: "Mastering the operating system of the IBM-360 will require 2200 man-years and 700 workers. "

05:38:16 mircea_popescu: fucking noobs.

05:38:37 *: mircea_popescu would have enjoyed working with stalin on soviet computing

05:42:58 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259510 << mastering, l0l. almost certainly a mistranslation from освоение

05:42:58 assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 05:38:14; mircea_popescu: "Mastering the operating system of the IBM-360 will require 2200 man-years and 700 workers. "

05:43:04 asciilifeform: which is not the same thing at all

05:43:09 asciilifeform: 'to make one's own'

05:43:29 asciilifeform: rather, 'to make [subject] one's own'

05:45:40 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259506 << there are, for practical purposes, two 'moscows' - the harvardized one and the actual one.

05:45:40 assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 05:33:47; mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> orlov fellates the boston harvaprinceyaleton liberast-wing-usg orthodoxy <<< and moscow does not ? puhleaze.

05:46:16 asciilifeform: whether they will ever be cut apart, or die together, i do not know.

05:47:17 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259507 << pretty much nobody else is showing any symptoms of having an idea as to ~what~ they are buying into.

05:47:17 assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 05:34:43; mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> and just about everybody, right, left, center, happily buying in. << i'm buying in because i do not believe local resistence is a good idea. the whole thing should burn, and pockets of sanity just make the burn last longer and hurt more.

05:47:29 asciilifeform: imho it is this.

05:47:45 asciilifeform: the dhs camps.

05:58:52 BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-09-2015#1259321 << IRS treats expenditure optimization frequently the same as "structuring" and other not crimes that are somehow crimes.

05:58:52 assbot: Logged on 01-09-2015 23:53:24; mircea_popescu: and no stack's not fucking germane. he was trying to insulate HIS INCOME. i was discussing optimizing YOUR EXPENDITURE. not like items.

06:04:44 BingoBoingo: Also apparently matheney still has a job http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2014#543439

06:04:44 assbot: Logged on 03-03-2014 22:19:37; mircea_popescu: matheny needs to be out of a job.

06:17:30 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform putin's fighting hard with himself to stay away the harvoscow.

06:19:10 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo makes 0 sense to me, seeing how you already paid tax on it, but then again i don;t live there

06:19:52 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It's part of the US department of words really don't mean anything anymore

06:20:13 mircea_popescu: in that sense might as well just endorse your paycheck to obama and forgetdaboutit

06:20:23 mircea_popescu: i guess that's what half the country tis doing anyway so...myeahk

06:20:29 BingoBoingo: What paycheck?

06:20:44 mircea_popescu: right.

06:21:56 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally it occurs to me - one theory that'd very well fit the soviet ibm insanity would be, "the captive thief". ie, a guy so enamoured with the idea that "this calculator is hot (ie, stolen)" that he'll gladly expend $1500 to get a shitty pocket calculator, instead of $1100 to get a 10x as powerful desktop.

06:22:02 mircea_popescu: IF ITS STOLEN ITS +EV!!11

06:22:52 mircea_popescu: "despite the objections from Bulgaria, Poland, Hungary, and Czechoslovakia." << romania ignored the soviets throughout, decided to make its own. they... sucked.

06:23:57 mircea_popescu: in "random news from stupid island" : xmacro is pretty much the only workable linux keyboard/mouse emulator.

06:24:12 mircea_popescu: it arbitrarily decided to round all delays to the integer second.

06:24:23 mircea_popescu: "who could ever conceivably want microsecond delays!!11"

06:24:32 punkman: tried ahk?

06:25:35 mircea_popescu: "AutoHotkey: macro and automation Windows scripting language" ?

06:25:53 punkman: this http://ahkscript.org/

06:25:54 assbot: AutoHotkey ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q7CYQE )

06:26:21 punkman: hmm, guess I misremember as working on linux

06:26:25 mircea_popescu: "AutoHotkey (AHK) is a free, open-source macro-creation and automation software for Windows that allows users to automate repetitive tasks."

06:26:39 mircea_popescu: http://ahkscript.org/download/ahk-install.exe

06:26:45 mircea_popescu: holy shit omfg.

06:26:55 mircea_popescu: i forgot this world exists where "download" = "here's a binary"

06:27:58 punkman: that's what most linux distros do, no?

06:28:58 mircea_popescu: notrly. well...

06:29:00 mircea_popescu: i guess huh.

06:29:18 punkman: just because it's called apt-get install doesn't mean it's any different

06:29:22 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform as part of the perennial hate of ru in ro, "Shura-Bura" is how you say "utter nonsense"

06:29:41 mircea_popescu: it's called V!

07:03:06 deedbot-: [Qntra] Drone Update - http://qntra.net/2015/09/drone-update/

07:06:56 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i guarantee you 90% of campus drone usage is to take shower pic of the 3 not-obese females per campus.

07:07:09 BingoBoingo: Almsot certainly

07:07:46 mircea_popescu: sane uni admin would just hire a few dozen models to walk around the campus nude all day.

07:07:57 mircea_popescu: cheaper than any initiative to retain athletes they could come up with

07:08:22 BingoBoingo: Really that's what seperates "good" and "bad" schools nowadays

07:08:41 mircea_popescu: and one for shinohai http://41.media.tumblr.com/959e6b9f2c9f13855f0f1d700942a945/tumblr_nlok0dIxiE1r5rcpjo1_1280.jpg

07:08:43 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1UqVcgl )

07:15:06 fluffypony: I have a 36x zoom on one of my drones

07:15:16 fluffypony: and there's no way I'm spying on anyone's shower

07:15:36 fluffypony: I'd get WAY better shots from a DSLR with a telephoto zoom lens

07:16:47 mats: BingoBoingo: re: bip-101-syndicate-shares-fiat-ties-opposition-to-actual-bitcoin some corrections: '... damning VC behind the [reins]', some commas here: 'Goldman Sachs, purely fiat institution, is a majority shareholder of Moneygram, a cash ...'

07:17:11 mats: er: 'a purely fiat'

07:18:06 BingoBoingo: mats: fixed, I think

07:20:11 punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-09-2015#1259268 << gotta let them work for it

07:20:11 assbot: Logged on 01-09-2015 23:10:57; trinque: tax avoidance is a foolish move if you're dealing in their currency

07:26:23 mats: I think some care should be taken to minimize passive voice usage in future pieces

07:26:38 punkman: fluffypony: big lens is too expensive, better get a small telescope

07:27:11 *: punkman definitely spent more time looking at windows than space

07:29:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00069908 = 6.4315 BTC [-] {2}

07:31:06 fluffypony: lol

07:40:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11300 @ 0.00069863 = 7.8945 BTC [-] {3}

07:43:19 punkman: oh wow ebay now has chinese 420-800mm lens for 50 bucks

07:48:02 BingoBoingo: http://www.twincities.com/statefair/ci_28734408/bill-cosby-portrait-rapeseed-pulled-from-state-fair

07:48:03 assbot: Bill Cosby portrait in 'rapeseed' pulled from State Fair - TwinCities.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1LTiDzU )

08:04:46 shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259563 <<< well that certainly was nice to wake up to.

08:04:46 assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 07:08:41; mircea_popescu: and one for shinohai http://41.media.tumblr.com/959e6b9f2c9f13855f0f1d700942a945/tumblr_nlok0dIxiE1r5rcpjo1_1280.jpg

08:11:51 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-09-2015#1259141 <<< obviously the telegraph obstructs the viewer from seeing the gun in his other hand

08:11:51 assbot: Logged on 01-09-2015 21:19:51; ascii_field: BingoBoingo et al: http://www.ksat.com/news/ksatcom-exclusive-unedited-video-of-fatal-deputy-involved-shooting

08:17:22 punkman: http://watchdog.org/235283/purdue-student-loan-investment/

08:17:23 assbot: Purdue's new student loan program literally invests in their students - Watchdog.org ... ( http://bit.ly/1fUA0BY )

08:17:40 punkman: "Beginning in 2016, University President Mitch Daniels wants to allow private investors to invest in the success of Purdue students using a new financial model: Income Share Agreements (ISA)."

08:19:50 pete_dushenski: ^sounds like williamdunne's scheme from a few months back

08:21:20 punkman: I worked on a project that involved predicting future student income for such purposes couple years back.

08:21:34 punkman: seems pretty hopeless

08:22:18 pete_dushenski: how did your project work ?

08:27:12 punkman: something like: get average salary stats for (degree, company, job title etc), match those up to resumes, pretend like derp getting degree matches the model

08:28:28 pete_dushenski: strange.

08:30:09 shinohai: Best description of Ryan X Charles EVAH: https://np.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3j79li/inside_the_movement_to_build_a_bitcoinpowered/cuni67s

08:30:11 assbot: scienceabhorsyou comments on Inside the Movement to Build a Bitcoin-Powered Reddit ... ( http://bit.ly/1JLmnB8 )

08:31:14 pete_dushenski: lel

08:39:45 cazalla: pete_dushenski, you snipped? (circumcision questions got the better of my curiosity tbh)

08:40:37 cazalla: or is it the norm for secular jews to maintain their foreskin?

08:52:43 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259565 <<< 36x zoom to go along with the night vision and camo eh?

08:52:43 assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 07:15:06; fluffypony: I have a 36x zoom on one of my drones

08:52:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00069839 = 4.1205 BTC [-]

08:59:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10103 @ 0.00069822 = 7.0541 BTC [-] {3}

08:59:33 cazalla: http://www.esquire.co.uk/culture/film-tv/8782/daniel-craig-interview/ "What does it say, too, that Bond is a fantasy figure for a Britain that no longer exists, an Imperial warrior who satisfies the rest of our vicarious appetites ? no longer as easily fulfilled as they once were ? to travel to exotic locations, execute the natives and then have sex with their women?"

08:59:34 assbot: Daniel Craig Is Esquire's October Cover Star - Esquire ... ( http://bit.ly/1N9A0wr )

09:01:23 fluffypony: cazalla: I work with wildlife fire and rescue and the local anti-poaching groups

09:01:29 fluffypony: so it's for that

10:00:16 mircea_popescu: <punkman> oh wow ebay now has chinese 420-800mm lens for 50 bucks << aha. and for all the pretense of the swiss from 20 years ago, 2015 800mm chinese lens beats 1985 zeiss lens.

10:00:43 punkman: not true in my experience

10:01:56 mircea_popescu: <punkman> seems pretty hopeless << actually some derpy "artists" were airing this nonsensical scheme a few years ago. it basically reduces to "isn't it unfair that only some 6/7 chicks get to pretend like they're artists on daddy's dime ? why shouldn't i have a daddy like that!"

10:02:13 mircea_popescu: it went nowhere. but i guess if the govt gets involved it'll be a great success.

10:03:24 mircea_popescu: punkman how do you measure ?

10:05:24 punkman: mircea_popescu: certainly modern lenses did get better, but the cheap chinese lenses on ebay are rarely better than cheap vintage glass

10:05:54 punkman: I have not measured other than casual use of them

10:05:56 mircea_popescu: dollar for dollar or how do you match ?

10:06:17 mircea_popescu: obviously cheapest that can be had today is worse than most expensive that could be had 30 years ago.

10:09:50 punkman: you can't really get anything but "cheapest" from china these days

10:10:39 mircea_popescu: heh. yeap, imperial policy since forever.

10:10:54 punkman: there's a few soviet factories that still make decent lenses by the way

10:19:11 *: shinohai loves Soviet vaccum tubes in his guitar amp.

10:38:49 punkman: on an interesting note, Zeiss was a pioneer in lithography optics for chip manufacturing

10:40:33 mircea_popescu: pretty much owned optics 100 years ago, moreso than the us or china own computing.

10:40:37 mircea_popescu: and yet...

10:45:32 mircea_popescu: "Tolstoy begins by saying that throughout life Shakespeare has aroused in him "an irresistible repulsion and tedium". Conscious that the opinion of the civilized world is against him, he has made one attempt after another on Shakespeare's works, reading and re-reading them in Russian, English and German; but "I invariably underwent the same feelings; repulsion, weariness and bewilderment". Now, at the age of seventy-fi

10:45:33 mircea_popescu: ve, he has once again re-read the entire works of Shakespeare, including the historical plays, and I have felt with an even greater force, the same feelings?this time, however, not of bewilderment, but of firm, indubitable conviction that the unquestionable glory of a great genius which Shakespeare enjoys, and which compels writers of our time to imitate him and readers and spectators to discover in him non-existent

10:45:33 mircea_popescu: merits?thereby distorting their aesthetic and ethical understanding?is a great evil, as is every untruth."

10:45:39 mircea_popescu: bwahahaha. who the fuck is tolstoy again.

11:05:45 kakobrekla: Soviet vaccum tubes < there is a whole industry dedicated to making fake ones.

11:08:23 shinohai: ik kakobrekla sometimes Chinese vendors try to sell fake Sovtek's xD

11:10:33 shinohai: I use EL-84's and this price is hard to beat: https://www.tubedepot.com/products/sovtek-el84-power-vacuum-tube

11:10:35 assbot: Sovtek EL84 Power Vacuum Tube | TubeDepot.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1ihLxx1 )

11:10:42 kakobrekla: i suspekt there is more fake ones than real one on the market

11:26:06 punkman: kakobrekla: Soviet vaccum tubes < there is a whole industry dedicated to making fake ones. << they even bother to make fake capacitors

11:26:50 kakobrekla: the chinese on the other hand, go as 'low' as faking the current tube production lines.

11:27:07 kakobrekla: chinese faking chinese.

11:48:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30769 @ 0.00070017 = 21.5435 BTC [+] {3}

11:53:11 davout: !up gill3s

11:54:23 shinohai: Epic haiku this am davout

11:54:36 davout: shinohai: it's not mine

11:54:42 davout: i just stole it

11:54:48 davout: but it indeed is fucking epic

11:55:22 shinohai: lol was funny at any rate.

11:55:30 davout: let me copy it here for greater glory nation kazakhstan

11:55:42 davout: reassuring words

11:55:47 davout: with eerie robot cadence

11:55:51 davout: hi i'm roger ver

11:56:30 shinohai: Got to run that through espeak just once.

11:58:29 punkman: !up ffmad

11:58:46 davout: oh god, i'm attratcting teh french

11:58:49 kakobrekla: if im seeing this right, network is still being spammed ?

12:00:57 davout: kakobrekla: what reddit says, might be true, my transactions are going through fine though

12:01:14 davout: with .001 fees

12:01:34 kakobrekla: yup, its incoming thats troublesome

12:01:46 kakobrekla: apparently im dealing with derps.

12:02:24 davout: said every single serious bitcoin professional at least a few times a year

12:02:56 kakobrekla: heh

12:07:44 shinohai: Haiku preserved in sound: https://transfer.sh/o9QQN/haiku.wav

12:07:46 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1NN7iBD )

12:10:45 davout: shinohai: amazing

12:10:45 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

12:12:53 shinohai: Without espeak, trolling others would be far less fun.

12:17:27 kakobrekla: http://www.coindesk.com/15-year-old-developer-ethereum-whit-jackson/ < eth, powered by 15year olds

12:17:28 assbot: 15-Year-Old 'Bitcoin Kid' Wants to Make Ethereum Easier ... ( http://bit.ly/1NN7Rvn )

12:18:08 shinohai: lol I was discussing w/ someone the other day hw he is going for that Gavin look in that article.

12:18:53 shinohai: Because the last "young genius" we got out of Ethereum was so talented, especially in the field of security.

12:23:27 fluffypony: what's that phrase Vitalik is so fond of

12:23:28 fluffypony: oh yes

12:23:31 fluffypony: "weak subjectivity"

12:23:55 fluffypony: which is code for "decentralised and secure, but only in the weakest possible sense of the phrase"

12:25:32 shinohai: ^

12:26:27 fluffypony: http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/bitpay-calls-industry-form-bitcoin-association-1518066

12:26:29 assbot: BitPay calls on industry to form 'Bitcoin Association' ... ( http://bit.ly/1FjCoZJ )

12:27:26 fluffypony: What's in a name? that which we call a Foundation

12:27:26 fluffypony: By any other name would smell as rotten;

12:28:13 shinohai: Didn't take me long to find that fluffypony: https://blog.ethereum.org/2014/11/25/proof-stake-learned-love-weak-subjectivity/

12:28:15 assbot: Proof of Stake: How I Learned to Love Weak Subjectivity - Ethereum Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1FjCBfl )

12:28:48 fluffypony: shinohai: I know, I sometimes read that blog post when I've feeling down and I need to laugh at something

12:28:56 shinohai: LOLZ

12:29:05 davout: fluffypony: i've recently joined #bitcoinxt for that purpose

12:29:11 fluffypony: lol

12:29:35 davout: they apparently want to admit that "my crowd is behind the XT DDoS"

12:29:51 fluffypony: your crowd?

12:29:54 davout: "aren't you guys based in russia or something, bulgaria wherever it is?"

12:29:58 fluffypony: like you had a Kickstarter for it?

12:30:30 davout: they clarified with "the mpex crowd specifically"

12:30:39 fluffypony: https://i.imgur.com/iobJtA1.jpg

12:30:40 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FjCXCJ )

12:31:57 shinohai: Anduck is in there, kek.

12:32:59 davout: fluffypony: nice one

12:33:56 shinohai: I like that though, "Aren't yu guys based in russia or something"?

12:34:05 davout: bulgaria

12:34:23 shinohai: No, iz GLORIOUS NATION of Kazakhstan

12:35:23 shinohai: Hue, I wish I had been there. "Yeah. Aren't you guys based in Mom's basement?"

12:35:42 davout: i invited the guy over and told him that he'd be fine (unless he's a jew of course)

12:36:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00069958 = 4.8971 BTC [-]

12:38:36 shinohai: The scene from that movies where they stay with the older Jewish couple is probably one of the funniest goddamned things I have ever seen.

12:38:40 mircea_popescu: un-circus sized jew is still ok

12:42:22 davout: obligatory we-should-stop-with-the-racist-jokes.jpg

12:43:35 mircea_popescu: fat can't race.

12:46:05 shinohai: https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11954809_973086012714068_2373148260900113673_n.jpg?oh=059fbff019b05203971a2d17294049da&oe=56605E42

12:46:07 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1NN9hWA )

12:55:40 punkman: http://buffettfaq.com/

12:55:43 assbot: Buffett FAQ ... ( http://bit.ly/1NNac9B )

12:58:03 davout: there's a problem when your faq has 463 questions listed

13:14:08 funkenstein_: from punkman's link "The good thing about business is that you don?t have to know any higher math. It may be an advantage not to know it. [CM: Yes, it is. If you know it, you feel the need to use it.] "

13:16:28 funkenstein_: lol at Tolstoy quote, thanks :)

13:20:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29450 @ 0.00069813 = 20.5599 BTC [-] {3}

13:25:56 mircea_popescu: !up rombou

13:28:19 funkenstein_: as I haven't reread any Tolstoy in German or Russian, I must withhold comment

13:30:31 mircea_popescu: certainly a better novelist than literary critic / sociophilosopher / w/e he fancied himself.

13:31:28 mircea_popescu: "Soon after I arrived at Crossgates (not immediately, but after a week or two, just when I seemed to be settling into routine of school life) I began wetting my bed. I was now aged eight, so that this was a reversion to a habit which I must have grown out of at least four years earlier.

13:31:28 mircea_popescu: Nowadays, I believe, bed-wetting in such circumstances is taken for granted. It is a normal reaction in children who have been removed from their homes to a strange place. In those days, however, it was looked on as a disgusting crime which the child committed on purpose and for which the proper cure was a beating."

13:31:37 mircea_popescu: see alf, the crumbling of the empire starts in the craddle.

13:32:03 mircea_popescu: pissantry is "a normal reaction"!11

13:32:07 mircea_popescu: the pissants have come to expect

13:36:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3300 @ 0.00069958 = 2.3086 BTC [+]

13:47:14 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259538 << what 'its own' ? afaik there were z80, 6502, and a few pdp-compatibles. nothing 'own'.

13:47:14 assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 06:22:52; mircea_popescu: "despite the objections from Bulgaria, Poland, Hungary, and Czechoslovakia." << romania ignored the soviets throughout, decided to make its own. they... sucked.

13:48:02 asciilifeform: (just like in su of the period)

13:50:03 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259599 << cock-chopping was forbidden in su.

13:50:03 assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 08:40:37; cazalla: or is it the norm for secular jews to maintain their foreskin?

13:51:48 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259619 << after 1945 zeiss was shipped wholesale - complete with all equipment, and enslaved staff - to su, and put to work there

13:51:48 assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 10:10:54; punkman: there's a few soviet factories that still make decent lenses by the way

13:52:25 asciilifeform: there is still a 'zeiss' in germany, but it is not the pre-'45 one

13:54:10 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259628 << it is surprisingly difficult to make a proper tube. and various crud makers cut 'optional' corners like the cesium 'getter' (shiny spot near the head)

13:54:10 assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 11:05:45; kakobrekla: Soviet vaccum tubes < there is a whole industry dedicated to making fake ones.

13:55:43 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259643 >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-11-2013#365844

13:55:43 assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 11:55:30; davout: let me copy it here for greater glory nation kazakhstan

13:55:43 assbot: Logged on 02-11-2013 00:07:12; asciilifeform: when i read these pitches, i can't help but recall: "...Filtration System A Marvel to Behold! It Removes Eighty Percent of Human Solid Waste!"

13:56:25 asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIV-QdPEx-Q << obligatory

13:56:26 assbot: Kazakhstan You Very Nice Place - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nab8Vk )

13:58:39 asciilifeform: strike that

13:58:43 asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRu6Tn9N_7g << CORRECT clip

13:58:44 assbot: Borat (2006) - Credits (Full Kazakhstan anthem videoclip) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1NabtHC )

14:01:10 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259715 << how else.

14:01:10 assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 13:32:07; mircea_popescu: the pissants have come to expect

14:06:28 punkman: also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B39cenrIQW0

14:06:29 assbot: Kuwait event plays Borat parody as Kazakhstan national anthem - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1NacJL2 )

14:06:45 asciilifeform: ^ famous

14:07:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2013 @ 0.00069812 = 1.4053 BTC [-]

14:08:42 punkman: http://www.refugees-welcome.net/

14:08:43 assbot: Refugees Welcome | This is the international website of the berlin-based project ‘Flüchtlinge Willkommen’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1NacZJZ )

14:09:28 kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259725 < the art of tube making died with the people who made them.

14:09:28 assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 13:54:10; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259628 << it is surprisingly difficult to make a proper tube. and various crud makers cut 'optional' corners like the cesium 'getter' (shiny spot near the head)

14:09:49 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: you may be surprised to learn that it is not dead. ru still makes.

14:09:59 asciilifeform: on same equipment as in '80s and prior.

14:10:11 asciilifeform: but go and find them in your lands, aha.

14:10:20 punkman: yes and the derps buy it from the one ru factory and rebrand it 50 different ways

14:10:25 asciilifeform: best bet - 'ebay', old su stock.

14:11:00 kakobrekla: often fake.

14:11:37 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: you got a convincing fake ?!

14:11:48 asciilifeform: or just a pile of rocks in an old su cardboard box

14:12:10 kakobrekla: convincing fake = looks same on pic as original ?

14:12:24 asciilifeform: looks similar, sorta works, the lot.

14:12:28 thestringpuller: wind 23

14:12:30 kakobrekla: but entirely different beast inside

14:12:35 asciilifeform: ah

14:12:58 kakobrekla: starting off with poor vacuum.

14:13:52 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=17-06-2015#1166006 << see thread, even

14:13:52 assbot: Logged on 17-06-2015 14:03:35; asciilifeform: i, for one, only have a mechanical vacuum pump. it clatters, spits oil. would have looked at home in edison's house. i know that i will not be making so much as a triode valve with this pump.

14:14:00 shinohai: I tried the Chinese tubes, but seems they don't like the slightest amount of overheating.

14:14:11 punkman: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/16/business/worldbusiness/16cheat.html?pagewanted=all

14:14:14 assbot: From Russia, With Dread - New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1NadL9Q )

14:15:06 asciilifeform: ^ lulzy. arsonist sets fire, buys up assets at fire sale, then complains when folks whack him over the head to take back the stolen goods

14:16:12 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=10-12-2014#949583

14:16:12 assbot: Logged on 10-12-2014 00:51:50; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu had an article (or perhaps a thread here? but can't seem to find it...) about an archetypical u.s. expat. fellow keeps a pub somewhere in thailand, or cambodia, etc. the locals - drink for free. he fancies that if he begins to run out of dough, he can always start charging. but somehow in the back of his head he knows what will happen to his sorry arse if he were to do so.

14:16:35 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-12-2014#949585

14:16:35 assbot: Logged on 10-12-2014 00:52:56; asciilifeform: the pub is really the property of the freeloaders, or local chieftain, whoever; the 'owner' is simply a clown kept around for entertainment value and while he brings over friends to spend usd

14:17:06 punkman: asciilifeform: who's the arsonist?

14:17:09 asciilifeform: usg

14:18:10 kakobrekla: http://www.jacmusic.com/nos/images/Fakes/index.htm here is a few examples of fakes, but this covers only a small portion of the picture

14:18:11 assbot: FAKE TUBES LIKE ECC803S and others ... ( http://bit.ly/1O8x3cF )

14:18:53 asciilifeform: lulzy! even nazi tubes faked

14:19:03 kakobrekla: indeed

14:20:04 asciilifeform: the photo at the end is priceless

14:20:10 kakobrekla: aha :)

14:22:38 shinohai: bwahahahaha "tube shredder"

14:25:48 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: i often wonder why http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2014#602974 did not catch on

14:25:48 assbot: Logged on 03-04-2014 22:18:37; asciilifeform: this was actually a serious leap in vacuum tube tech - they didn't need to be pumped, or made of glass

14:26:18 asciilifeform: and from the earlier link,

14:26:30 asciilifeform: 'In the hulking pile of brick wrapped in pipes and smokestacks that is the building, most of the employees are women. Dressed in blue robes and hair nets, they join together delicate bundles of wire, wafers of rare metal and glass bulbs with fingers trained by years of work. "No man would want to make a tube," Lyudmila V. Afanasieva, 54, said, nimbly sliding wires into a glass cylinder. She worked on the same tube model when i

14:26:30 asciilifeform: t went into nuclear submarines that prowled off the coast of the United States.'

14:27:17 kakobrekla: heh yeah no pump, still needs vacuum

14:28:14 asciilifeform: i wonder if the fake folks skip the diffusion pump

14:29:02 kakobrekla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDvF89Bh27Y < whole production line at a show

14:29:02 assbot: Mullard - The Blackburn Vacuum Tubes Factory (Full) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1NafPyB )

14:32:46 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzyXMEpq4qw << ~the~ mega-film re: tubemaking.

14:32:46 assbot: Hand Made Vacuum Tubes by Claude Paillard - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1O8AQGW )

14:32:52 asciilifeform: linked here on several occasions, iirc.

14:33:02 asciilifeform: from scrap to tube.

14:33:06 kakobrekla: aha yeah saw that one.

14:33:36 kakobrekla: early production gz34 tubes from mullard blackburn facotry go for 500 to 1k

14:33:44 kakobrekla: used ones

14:33:44 asciilifeform: why??

14:33:48 kakobrekla: people.

14:33:54 asciilifeform: because voodoo?

14:34:01 kakobrekla: and magicks.

14:34:13 asciilifeform: same 'people' who put green paint on cd to 'improve sound', and buy $50k cabling ?

14:34:14 punkman: "audiophiles"

14:35:38 kakobrekla: dunno, i havent tested that particular one myself.

14:36:08 kakobrekla: they are supposed to be quite durable tho, 10khrs +

14:39:31 asciilifeform: see, when i heard of 'fake tubes', my first thought was something like an old burned-out one but with some chinese semiconductor strange in the plastic base, to emulate a working tube.

14:40:42 asciilifeform: now ~that~ would be hilarious.

14:41:26 asciilifeform: wonder how many audiophiliacs could tell the difference between a fifty-cent emulator (yes, it needs to eat the high supply voltages, but this is not hard) and the original.

14:42:11 asciilifeform: possibly using burned tube would not work on account of the filament failing to glow red

14:42:26 asciilifeform: but it is considerably easier to fake 'glows' than 'amplifies'

14:42:39 kakobrekla: you can hear the difference between solid state rectifier and tube rectifier over youtube.

14:42:50 asciilifeform: no shit

14:42:56 asciilifeform: but no one is ~trying~ to emulate

14:43:47 asciilifeform: and didja say rectifier ?! what, direct current from a mercury beast is more direct somehow than from my lab power supply ?

14:44:06 kakobrekla: tube sags

14:44:12 kakobrekla: other stuff also.

14:44:13 asciilifeform: so emulate the sag.

14:44:19 asciilifeform: what, no one cared to do this ?

14:44:57 kakobrekla: they emulate the package but not the full elect characteristics

14:45:35 kakobrekla: (can insert ss rectifier in tube socket, it will not sound like tube)

14:45:37 asciilifeform: my guess is that it is not actually so difficult, but no one has invested in genuinely trying, for the elementary reason that the green-magicmarker crowd will never buy it

14:45:54 kakobrekla: brb

14:47:51 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: this is how "gamergate" happened too, and everthing else. << I was under the impression gamergate happened because d00d published blog about ex-gf cheating on him who works in games. That's at least what personally brought my attention to it.

14:52:08 punkman: lulzy http://www.wingedc.com/

14:52:09 assbot: Winged C ... ( http://bit.ly/1O8GeK3 )

15:03:56 shinohai: http://www.cbc.ca/news/trending/couple-who-quit-jobs-to-travel-the-world-now-broke-scrubbing-toilets-1.3211621 <<< also lulzy

15:03:56 assbot: Couple who quit jobs to travel the world end up scrubbing toilets for pay - Trending - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1EBo8k7 )

15:18:11 kakobrekla: > Paymium Raises 1 Million Euros < o hey congrats

15:18:15 kakobrekla: davout

15:23:27 kakobrekla: >BitFury Completes 16NM Bitcoin Mining ASIC Tape-Out

15:26:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9966 @ 0.00069812 = 6.9575 BTC [-]

15:27:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40550 @ 0.0007008 = 28.4174 BTC [+] {5}

15:36:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41700 @ 0.0007025 = 29.2943 BTC [+] {5}

15:42:17 shinohai: I see coinbase is expanding to Canada and ingapore. Gotta have eyes all over I guess.

15:42:27 shinohai: *Singapore

15:57:56 shinohai: https://twitter.com/hyperactivelumi/status/639094976777953280

15:59:27 mike_c: coinbase is pretty global by now. they're up to 27 countries

16:03:28 shinohai: I guess I misunderstand economics. The shittier your service is and moar closely aligned with usg interests, the moar successful it becomes.

16:06:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38190 @ 0.00070291 = 26.8441 BTC [+] {3}

16:06:41 williamdunne: mike_c: closer to 18 IMO

16:07:54 mike_c: because some of them aren't really countries or because the service isn't really available?

16:14:36 jurov: mod6 i had "summertime cold" worse every year. it turned out it's actually an allergy

16:25:28 mod6: ahh, i've never had allergies. but.. maybe i guess. feel much better today :]

16:31:50 williamdunne: mike_c: Sorry I meant 16. And because for a whole bunch of the countries they process euros not the national currency

16:32:03 mike_c: ah

16:33:15 williamdunne: Bulgaria

16:33:15 williamdunne: Croatia

16:33:15 williamdunne: Czech Republic

16:33:15 williamdunne: Denmark

16:33:15 williamdunne: Hungary

16:33:15 williamdunne: Norway

16:33:15 williamdunne: Poland

16:33:16 williamdunne: Romania

16:33:16 williamdunne: Sweden

16:33:17 williamdunne: Switzerland

16:33:17 williamdunne: United Kingdom

16:33:23 punkman: http://tooltrainer.com/blog/paypal-does-not-know-how-to-detect-fraud/

16:33:26 assbot: » Paypal does not know how to detect fraud. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LLl3xF )

16:34:11 williamdunne: 1% fee + 0-10euro SEPA fee + 0.5-3% currency conversion fee

16:39:39 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

16:39:56 ascii_field: 'I expected PayPal would have my back and worst case, the whole transaction would be reversed and nobody would be out anything.' << gold

16:40:19 ascii_field: 'Never in my wildest dreams would I have expected PayPal to accept screenshots from the seller, as proof of anything.'

16:40:46 williamdunne: For example at my bank it would cost me 1%, 13 euro, 4% currency conversion fee. But that's because UK banks are particularly terrible with SEPA

16:40:53 ascii_field: also the keeper of that www has paste-polluting js and needs to be strung up with piano wire.

16:40:59 punkman: "I know this is too good to be true but I'll try anyway"

16:41:58 punkman: I wonder if anyone has sold ebay.com on ebay

16:59:49 ascii_field: ;;later tell mircea_popescu guess what, they're 104's - 'connection reset by peer.' your end hangs up.

16:59:49 gribble: The operation succeeded.

17:22:36 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

17:22:41 ascii_field: BingoBoingo et al: http://fusion.net/story/191544/wikipedia-editors-just-banned-381-accounts-over-a-huge-fraud-and-extortion-scandal

17:22:42 assbot: Wikipedia editors just banned 381 accounts over a huge fraud and extortion scandal | Fusion ... ( http://bit.ly/1NaG3B2 )

17:28:48 ascii_field: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Long-term_abuse/Orangemoody/Articles << lulzy

17:28:48 assbot: Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/Orangemoody/Articles - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1hz0f1L )

17:29:23 ascii_field: 'In this specific case, however, in order to prevent article subjects from continued shakedowns by bad actors who are causing significant harm to the reputation of this project, the articles are all being deleted. It is important to break the cycle of payment demands, and to make it clear that the Wikipedia community, and not a small group of paid editor accounts, controls the content of this project. This mass deletion

17:29:24 ascii_field: is without prejudice to recreation by experienced Wikipedians who believe that the subject is sufficiently notable for an article. We emphasize again that all indications are that the editing was not solicited by the article subjects.'

17:30:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00069497 = 9.7991 BTC [-]

17:31:11 shinohai: http://news.yahoo.com/fox-news-anchor-sues-hasbro-over-toy-hamster-151935145.html <<< I will not say anything racist, I will not say anything racist ....

17:31:13 assbot: Fox News anchor sues Hasbro over toy hamster with her name - Yahoo News ... ( http://bit.ly/1hz0QAJ )

17:37:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20851 @ 0.00069702 = 14.5336 BTC [+] {3}

17:42:10 punkman: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-09-02/to-nab-traders-prosecutors-hit-ctrl-f-for-suspicious-acronyms

17:42:13 assbot: Don't Use These Lame Acronyms If You Don't Want to Get Nabbed by the Feds - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1NaJ2tc )

17:42:24 punkman: "“Taking a conversation offline provides evidence of intent because if you’re trying to cover your tracks, you probably know what you’re doing is wrong,”"

17:43:15 ascii_field: punkman: tastes ~great~ with a balanced diet of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=21-08-2015#1247446

17:43:15 assbot: Logged on 21-08-2015 21:04:08; ascii_field: 'The absence of evidence shouldn’t be viewed as proof of guilt, but tell that to the U.S. federal court—where Khairullozhon Matanov received a 30-month sentence in mid-June, in part for deleting his browser history. Though he wasn’t an accomplice in the Boston bombing, the FBI charged that the friend of the Tsarnaev brothers with obstructing justice by destroying evidence in the case. That evidenc

17:43:31 punkman: aha

17:43:46 ascii_field: 'Evasion techniques can get creative. Raj Rajaratnam, the fund manager convicted in 2011 of insider trading, would write “fon” instead of “phone.” Prosecutors said they suspected the intentional misspelling was meant to distract the all-seeing electronic Javert of Control-F.' << gold

17:44:35 ascii_field: '“They use terms to find evidence of whether someone is trying to hide their activities because evidence of a cover-up is frequently more potent than the evidence of the alleged crime,” Brodsky said.'

17:44:41 ascii_field: now if only crypto and stego had been invented

17:45:01 ascii_field: but customers'd never have accepted ! (tm) (r)

17:55:37 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

17:55:40 ascii_field: http://media.tumblr.com/2c69c43d85ce073364d32c8149febb56/tumblr_inline_muxp1yuB9v1qbdp2h.jpg

17:55:41 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1hz8c7d )

17:55:50 ascii_field: http://media.tumblr.com/1169b9e24354444816f315a6b6968943/tumblr_inline_muxp5mgbJY1qbdp2h.jpg

17:55:51 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1hz8eMm )

17:55:54 ascii_field: (with above)

17:57:47 kakobrekla: win

17:59:06 ascii_field: http://security.stackexchange.com/questions/37750/does-a-commercially-available-self-destructing-hdd-set-in-bios-exist << unrelated mega-l0l

17:59:08 assbot: hardware - Does a commercially available self destructing HDD (set in BIOS) exist? - Information Security Stack Exchange ... ( http://bit.ly/1NaLKyY )

17:59:17 ascii_field: grep for 'no need' even.

17:59:32 ascii_field: there is always, always a shitgnome 'you don't need this, move along' commenter.

18:05:02 BingoBoingo: https://36.media.tumblr.com/ce942adcdac180943d87d8855e5978bb/tumblr_nu1lacYPxV1u0r0dgo1_1280.jpg

18:05:03 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1hzazH9 )

18:10:04 mike_c: http://mic.com/articles/107370/13-absurd-reasons-men-use-to-defend-their-right-to-spread-their-legs-on-the-subway

18:10:05 assbot: 13 Absurd Reasons "Manspreaders" Use to Defend Their Right to Spread on the Subway - Mic ... ( http://bit.ly/1hzbQOi )

18:10:09 mike_c: those all seem legit to me

18:10:38 mike_c: "Because I got balls to take care of." nuff said.

18:11:12 BingoBoingo: indeed

18:15:22 punkman: http://qz.com/472143/no-one-is-paying-attention-to-latin-americas-child-bride-problem/

18:15:23 assbot: The world isn’t paying enough attention to Latin America’s child-bride problem - Quartz ... ( http://bit.ly/1hzde3G )

18:15:54 punkman: the world doesn't know how the world works

18:16:41 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=01-09-2015#1258664 << see also.

18:16:41 assbot: Logged on 01-09-2015 18:25:13; mircea_popescu: the fact that most of the world agrees girls can marry once they can walk, that doesn't count.

18:31:04 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

18:32:31 hanbot: deedbot- http://thewhet.net/han/mpifpc4_082015.txt.asc

18:32:34 deedbot-: accepted: 1

18:38:47 shinohai: "I'm hoping at this point he muses about it equally ineffectively for the rest of the year." LOLZ

18:39:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00070294 = 4.4988 BTC [+]

18:56:54 deedbot-: [Qntra] Wikipedia Bans Hundreds of Accounts Over Alleged Paid Editing - http://qntra.net/2015/09/wikipedia-bans-hundreds-of-accounts-over-alleged-paid-editing/

19:02:54 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

19:18:25 trinque: not seeing much about Russia in Syria aside from on Zero Hedge, InfoWars, etc

19:20:13 trinque: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4696268,00.html << can anyone familiar with Israeli news comment on the bullshit factor of this site?

19:20:14 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1VvfVSG )

19:30:09 trinque: emacs is a giant complex piece of shit. changed nothing, upgraded nothing, yet it hangs at startup

19:30:29 ascii_field: trinque: emacs --debug-init

19:30:59 trinque: doesn't seem to be crapping debug info to either the terminal who launched or the emacs window

19:31:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00070364 = 9.077 BTC [+] {3}

19:31:39 ascii_field: remove .emacs-bufflst, .emacs-places, and, as last resort, remove (after backing up) .emacs

19:32:55 trinque: yeah starts right up without the init.el; I'll have to hack things out and see where it's hanging

19:33:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54550 @ 0.0006965 = 37.9941 BTC [-] {3}

19:34:28 trinque: vi init.el # the sadness...

19:46:07 mod6: :D

19:48:07 jurov: requires nano ~/.vimrc first

19:50:20 mod6: haha

19:52:23 trinque: :'''(

19:52:35 trinque: my beautiful unix sandcastle

19:54:44 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-09-2015#1258861 << there are some who don't?

19:54:44 assbot: Logged on 01-09-2015 19:24:26; shinohai: http://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/watch-florida-pastor-says-women-should-greet-their-husbands-looking-spiffed-up-with-a-hot-meal-waiting/ XD

19:55:25 shinohai: We can't all have Stepford wives.

19:55:45 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

19:55:48 ascii_field: BingoBoingo et al: http://www.popsci.com/san-jose-considers-license-plate-readers-garbage-trucks

19:55:48 assbot: Page Unavailable ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBXzdw )

19:56:12 ben_vulpes: shinohai: cascadian witch

19:56:29 ben_vulpes: incantations and built in furniture

19:56:31 BingoBoingo: ty ascii_field

19:57:46 ascii_field: and mircea_popescu is gonna love this one, http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/08/ashley-madison-abusing-dmca-to-put-genie-back-in-the-bottle-eff-says

19:57:48 assbot: Ashley Madison abusing DMCA “to put genie back in the bottle,” EFF says | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBXNkF )

20:01:04 shinohai: I like your idea better ben_vulpes. Wife implies marriage and I sure as hell have had my lifetime dose of that.

20:03:52 mats: is there any way to look at the active mpoe order book (ie, the way 'mpexbot' used to spit 'em out with '$depth <asset>')?

20:10:46 mats: nvm, available at http://mpex.co/mpex-mktdepth.php

20:10:47 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1UnJsAx )

20:11:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16900 @ 0.00069497 = 11.745 BTC [-]

20:11:57 mats: kakobrekla: if you would parse that with assbot as 'empyex' and 'mpexbot' are nao defunct i'd be grateful

20:13:55 kakobrekla: !mp book

20:13:56 assbot: http://dpaste.com/2WAKNE6.txt

20:13:57 kakobrekla: !mp ticker

20:13:57 assbot: http://dpaste.com/2PPPFYG.txt

20:25:20 mats: could i prevail upon you to present that in a human readable manner?

20:26:40 punkman: kakobrekla: I think that means XML instead of json

20:26:58 kakobrekla: lol

20:27:31 kakobrekla: how do you want it so its not spammin chan?

20:30:53 mats: its ok with me if it only works in privmsg

20:32:42 kakobrekla: mebbe later

20:36:40 deedbot-: [Qntra] Silicon Valley City Contemplates Surveillance Equipment on Garbage Trucks - http://qntra.net/2015/09/silicon-valley-city-contemplates-surveillance-equipment-on-garbage-trucks/

20:37:17 BingoBoingo: <kakobrekla> how do you want it so its not spammin chan? << stream as bz2 compressed xml

20:38:02 kakobrekla: you mean JBIG2?

20:38:17 punkman: JBIG2 and send it through snapchat

20:39:28 BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: sure, prolly also base256 encode the output

20:40:29 kakobrekla: hm, binary coded decimals would be easier to humanparse.

20:41:29 BingoBoingo: beautiful

20:41:48 mats: BingoBoingo: related, http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/08/cops-decide-to-collect-less-license-plate-data-after-80gb-drive-got-full

20:41:49 assbot: Cops decide to collect less license plate data after 80GB drive got full | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1XhEFQe )

20:42:16 BingoBoingo: mats: Saw that, could be disinfo

20:42:27 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

20:42:37 ascii_field: poor backwoods cops

20:42:43 ascii_field: fed disks don't get full.

20:43:05 ascii_field: see also >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259456

20:43:05 assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 04:15:38; asciilifeform: the discreditation of local police apparatus, for its eventual demolition and replacement by unified fed gendarmerie, is going on schedule.

20:45:12 mats: i dunno that the feds could even find folks qualified and willing to do a job like that

20:45:24 ascii_field: what means 'qualified' ?

20:45:38 ascii_field: as for 'willing', no shortage of dea/fbi/dhs/etc. goons today

20:45:42 mats: americans are fat as fuck, barely anyone these days can pass a BMI evaluation and run 2mi in reasonable time

20:46:05 ascii_field: no shortage of 19 y.o. not fat yet.

20:46:10 ascii_field: and eager to kill something.

20:46:36 mats: http://www.wsj.com/articles/recruits-ineligibility-tests-the-military-1403909945

20:46:37 assbot: Recruits' Ineligibility Tests the Military - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1IKOwD6 )

20:46:58 mats: >71% do not qualify for service

20:48:23 ascii_field: if they need to recruit mexicans in exchange for citizenship (roman-style) they will

20:48:30 mats: lol

20:48:37 mats: mexicans are even fatter, man

20:48:46 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259468 << bonus

20:48:46 assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 04:19:37; asciilifeform: for crushing rebellion, one uses troops from far-off places, rather than sympathetic locals. this was known to romans, persians, everyone.

20:50:38 ascii_field: anyway the 'too fat' thing is utterly irrelevant. they don't need to recruit million men for roman legion. but a few thousand for polizei duty - wacoing defenseless people, machine-gunning women and children, setting up public gallows, the lot

20:51:28 ascii_field: and how athletic does a man need to be to fly a robot bomber ?

20:52:30 ascii_field: see thread also: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=26-03-2015#1072977

20:52:30 assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 20:43:53; asciilifeform: one to break doors, gates; one to threaten bystanders, if any, with 'accidental' fire; one to shoot; and perhaps one with a cage that arrestee -might- be permitted to surrender into, if the bot's voice-recognition system works and if orders included a possible live capture

20:52:46 mats: waco victims were hardly defenseless. i follow what you're saying, particularly re: historical context, but i'm not convinced this is practicable in usa

20:53:12 ascii_field: whether the 'higher tech north kr' thing is 'practicable' or not, it will be tried. ~is~ being tried.

20:53:31 mats: the population hardly breaks a sweat killing a hundred feds a year in current form, plenty of poor excitable people that'd love to multiply that number 10^4

20:53:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27141 @ 0.00068813 = 18.6765 BTC [-] {4}

20:53:47 ascii_field: mats: hardly defenseless ?! what were they supposed to do, with their pea-shooters, against tanks and planes ?

20:54:12 ascii_field: mats: that number comes from throats cut of informants, stoolies, lone agents on the roadside

20:54:39 ascii_field: i bet many times more of'em die in traffic.

20:56:09 ascii_field: also 'high tech north kr' is often misunderstood concept. there is normally no need for usg to shoot anyone. instead they will cancel your food-and-rent card.

20:57:55 mats: shoot heads and emplace ieds? breaching a building is hard, you know.

20:58:12 ascii_field: so they sit outside and wait for everyone inside to starve.

20:58:16 mats: obviously you'll get trampled either way, but this is far short of defenseless

20:58:23 ascii_field: works just as great today as in 500 b.c.

20:59:40 ascii_field: 'emplace ied' works when you have ten million sympathetic natives for partizans to hide among, be fed and clothed by

21:00:05 ascii_field: or at least a red army 500km away dropping occasional supplies

21:00:36 punkman: surely there are 10 million natives

21:00:43 mats: but when its not just 'waco' folks but a poor populace, suddenly its field offices being seiged by randoms, not 'waco'

21:01:08 mats: svbieds make big bang.

21:01:11 ascii_field: mats: problem is that no one in usa is so poor that he is indifferent to whether the lights stay on and the toilet flushes

21:01:24 ascii_field: things that go away first of all when ied becomes a daily matter

21:01:50 ascii_field: as in http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=01-09-2015#1259296

21:01:50 assbot: Logged on 01-09-2015 23:30:50; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-09-2015#1259224 << afghan doesn't rely on food trucks, flush toilet, or mains wiring. fragile things.

21:02:27 ascii_field: unlike the turd world, in usa the poor folks are the first and instant loosers in any breakdown of civilization

21:02:37 mats: iraq does, to an extent. and yet isis finds bulldozers, scrap metal for diy armor, and fertilizer for container vans readily enough

21:02:44 ascii_field: (ted turner on his ranch doesn't give a fuck if the city burns)

21:03:08 ascii_field: iraq was nicely massaged into the bronze age by usg.

21:03:17 ascii_field: a necessary prerequisite to this kind of thing.

21:05:27 mats: perhaps we both see what we want to see, hear what we want to hear

21:05:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41400 @ 0.0006872 = 28.4501 BTC [-] {4}

21:05:58 jurov: novorussians were expected to rely on light and flush toilets, too

21:06:09 mats: i got a coin for you if this theory pans out

21:06:32 ascii_field: jurov: ru infrastructure was considerably less fragile. yet it, too, deteriorated.

21:07:11 ascii_field: for instance, incidents of folks falling into soft earth around leaking steam pipes, and boiling to death (along with any would-be rescuers) were a regular thing

21:07:51 ascii_field: in usa, there are things you wouldn't believe. the sewer lines are often run up hill, with pumping stations buried underground.

21:08:05 ascii_field: no mains current - no drain.

21:08:20 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-06-2014#735021 << old thread.

21:08:20 assbot: Logged on 27-06-2014 04:21:13; asciilifeform: that's a 'lift station.' normally sewer is operated by gravity. but often, for reasons of cost, a pipe will be laid uphill.

21:10:30 ascii_field: the basic reason why no one is voluntarily turning usa into iraq, regardless of usg abuses, is something like the english saying 'people in glass houses do not throw stones'

21:11:30 ascii_field: the other detail is probably demographic - iraq median age, according to usg, is ~20; usa - ~40 !

21:13:02 ascii_field: emma goldman supposedly said 'if i can't dance, i want nothing to do with your revolution'

21:13:10 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

21:13:30 ascii_field: well, in usa, if toilet doesn't flush and facebook doesn't load, they want nothing to do with it, likewise.

21:17:27 funkenstein_: re: waco, it's hard to get more helpless than kids trapped in buried school bus

21:19:18 funkenstein_: for those interested in old thread re: joe vialls, we have http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/08/25/confirmation-tianjin-was-nuked/

21:19:21 assbot: Confirmation Tianjin was Nuked | Veterans Today ... ( http://bit.ly/1JNdWoS )

21:20:42 shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1260032 <<< probably why no one ever goes camping with me. At all.

21:20:42 assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 21:13:30; ascii_field: well, in usa, if toilet doesn't flush and facebook doesn't load, they want nothing to do with it, likewise.

21:21:32 ascii_field: camping is a sport, there is neither the permanence of the situation nor the hordes of crazed sheeple and their more-cannibalistic upper crust

21:22:45 shinohai: I love my tech, don't get me wrong. But a few nights in the desert or mountains does wonders for clearing away the clutter amongst the little grey bits.

21:23:06 ascii_field: shinohai: this is like comparing jumping from plane with and without parachute.

21:23:14 ascii_field: ALMOST same activity, aha

21:23:31 shinohai: -__-

21:29:38 ben_vulpes: regarding that ancient optimization of expenditures thread, in america the ceo will have to report his place of residence if purchased/rented by the company as income, correct asciilifeform, mircea_popescu?

21:30:40 ascii_field: ben_vulpes: if title is in company's name, the income - theoretically - is only the market value of leasing the property

21:30:50 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes of course he will.

21:30:53 ascii_field: ben_vulpes: but more generally, you don't get to play tax games in usa if you are small change.

21:31:00 mircea_popescu: of course you do.

21:31:28 mircea_popescu: and hi erryone!

21:32:40 shinohai: wb

21:34:49 mircea_popescu: ascii_field for what it's worth, dc swears up and down and has under grilling for the past coupla days that, in its own english, "By the way, our admin monitors said that no unplanned reboots were not."

21:35:23 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: log in and see for yourself.

21:35:33 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i do not know why the man lied.

21:35:39 mircea_popescu: jus' sayin.

21:36:04 ascii_field: ftr i didn't expect him to say anything but precisely this

21:36:22 ascii_field: what, thought he would confess, 'gnomes ordered me to pull the cord' ?

21:36:57 mircea_popescu: mno.

21:37:01 ascii_field: oh and is the man in wot ? 'cause i got a very special gift for him, if he is..

21:37:32 *: mircea_popescu is too lazy to log etc, but... did he also helpfully edit the history ?

21:37:45 ascii_field: not as of this morning

21:38:05 ascii_field: and afaik only we have the legit login to the box

21:38:36 ascii_field: so it would have had to be via backdoor installed when disk was removed, during power off

21:38:46 ascii_field: but no, logs are consistent with yanked mains.

21:38:57 ascii_field: each and every time since the first one at end of may

21:39:17 mircea_popescu: maybe they got bombed.

21:39:21 *: mircea_popescu is at heart a romatic

21:39:29 ascii_field: aha that was my first thought

21:39:44 ascii_field: but bombed every day, and the frag never hits diametric's box, only mine.

21:39:46 BingoBoingo: Played with qntra CSS a bit, still probably the most modern and compliant wordpress blawg on the interwebz https://archive.is/6kBqw https://archive.is/CKKJa

21:39:47 assbot: Result for http://qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1JNgkvG )

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21:40:46 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo when you're done with that i got a bit of malbolge needs reversing.

21:42:08 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Now that monero is off the table, may have time for that. Just trying to shave a few unecessary bytes here and there out of the Qntra

21:42:14 mircea_popescu: in other news, from #eulora : <VariaVarietatis> What is the best way to buy and hold a little bit of btc so I can buy copper from jurov ?

21:42:26 mircea_popescu: S.MG, drivin' that BTC adoption to the moons!

21:43:54 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

21:44:13 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i will have you know that i combed ~5GB of packet dump and found not a trace of your magic tx.

21:45:32 ascii_field: which was astonishing, because debug.log ~does~ mention it (as linked earlier) - though it is not correlated temporally with your node's disconnects as seen on my end

21:45:44 mircea_popescu: ascii_field thanks. alrighty, leave this for now until i can have something more sensible to say from this end.

21:46:21 ascii_field: this drew my attention to the asinine tcp socket handling in therealbitcoin

21:46:30 ascii_field: what the fuck is sender-side flood control for ?!!

21:46:59 mircea_popescu: ascii_field i don't have it tho.

21:47:10 ascii_field: don't have what ?

21:47:20 mircea_popescu: sender side flow control. in the bitcoin.

21:47:39 mircea_popescu: atm the explanations are, bad tcp/ip implementation on the machine running it in a very subtle way, or some issue in the firewalls downstream

21:47:44 mircea_popescu: someone SOMEWHERE is sending a RST

21:48:12 mircea_popescu: as you can imagine, both glorious timewasters.

21:48:16 ascii_field: the error msg most closely corresponds to the line in therealbitcoin linked last night. but i do not know what mircea_popescu has there, and won't know unless he shares the snippet. so it gets left here.

21:48:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23155 @ 0.00068275 = 15.8091 BTC [-] {3}

21:49:22 ascii_field: incidentally, sending a spurious rst is time-honoured mega-classic tool for isp diddling of 'undesirable' pipe

21:49:24 *: mircea_popescu curses the poor, informal quality of his own previous approach to the problem V solves

21:49:33 ascii_field: l0l

21:49:57 mircea_popescu: dude what do you want from me ;/ i had nfi what to do with things.

21:50:05 ascii_field: lemme guess, sitting on a disk with 100 versions of mircea_popescucoin ?

21:51:01 mircea_popescu: not quite, but the "what does this knob do" investigations are starting to run into human memory failures.

21:51:18 mircea_popescu: incidentally : bitcoin is, as is, both needlessly and too fucking complex.

21:51:41 mircea_popescu: i have a running mmorpg that's simpler. gimme a fucking break. bitcoin is not part of the os-mmorpg-bitcoin trinity.

21:52:22 shinohai: Here's a guy who WAS good enough to sling dope, but now isn't: https://redd.it/3jd3kf

21:52:24 assbot: reddit.com: over 18? ... ( http://bit.ly/1JC8vaS )

21:53:46 mircea_popescu: "Imagine you get pulled over for speeding once and they smell the meth or weed then search your shit, your fucked."

21:54:04 mircea_popescu: is reddit anything more than usg employees talking to spammers ?

21:54:06 mircea_popescu: doesn't seem to be.

21:54:51 shinohai: xD

21:55:09 shinohai: That whole subreddit is comedy gold.

21:55:43 mircea_popescu: also in that line, http://fraudsters.com/2015/so-what-of-the-future/#comment-115214

21:55:44 assbot: So, what of the future ? on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JC8FPF )

21:56:19 jurov: mircea_popescu: you don't forget you also run a boiler room

21:57:01 mircea_popescu: wut ?

21:57:10 jurov: were my yest mpex problems substantiated anyhow?

21:58:04 mircea_popescu: well inasmuch as you made some irc comments, no. i did look to see if your balance had magically vanished, which it had not.

21:59:29 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1260095 << this was what i thought, too, and that is why i strapped it to a table and started cutting pieces off

21:59:29 assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 21:51:18; mircea_popescu: incidentally : bitcoin is, as is, both needlessly and too fucking complex.

21:59:30 jurov: isee.. still putting it slowly together

22:00:00 mircea_popescu: jurov lemme know in your own time, i'll be around.

22:01:35 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: concerning the RSTs: know that it is not difficult for these to be sent via spoofed packet

22:01:38 ascii_field: esp in 'orc' world

22:02:10 ascii_field: that would be a pretty lulzy way to screw with bitcoin folks, wouldnnit

22:02:52 mircea_popescu: mhm

22:03:12 mircea_popescu: the only reasonable conclusion here, from an outside eye, is that too much complexity is the problem. throughout.

22:03:15 mircea_popescu: we need simpler shit.

22:03:24 ascii_field: this is indisputable.

22:03:44 mircea_popescu: i think a lot of computing continued unchecked on a paradigm of "mom, look what ~I~ can do!!11"

22:03:52 *: ascii_field was informed, by a phriend, regarding ~why~ orc world often willingly routes blatantly spoofed packetz. it is uncommon, outside of usa and eu, for network peers to specify whether they are transit peering or just peering. and thereby cannot readily distinguish spoofed vs not.

22:03:52 mircea_popescu: lost souls still following it to this day.

22:03:56 mircea_popescu: but it's fundamentally retared.

22:04:37 mircea_popescu: it should be "mom, look what i don't need to do. chief among which, i don't need to go "mom, look what ican do.""

22:04:42 ascii_field: it is retarded. but sane folks, when haunted by the danger of 'wanna standardize things, have good engineering! here comes microshit, with standardz!' chose the retardation.

22:05:10 mircea_popescu: the notion that good engineering = standards, by the way, is a specific bit of fucktardation not unlike "good flying machines have moving parts".

22:05:18 mircea_popescu: fuck you. that's not how this works.

22:05:27 mircea_popescu: i get it, your only experience with movement comes from observing nature.

22:05:33 mircea_popescu: doesn't make you less of an idiot.

22:05:59 mircea_popescu: but as far as software, and computer programming generally, standards are actually the proof positive engineering failed.

22:06:18 ascii_field: wai wat

22:06:29 ascii_field: engineering failed when standard, e.g., screw pitches appeared ?!

22:06:32 ascii_field: it is when it ~began~

22:06:39 mircea_popescu: no, no.

22:06:46 mircea_popescu: ascii_field ever read a math "technical manual" ?

22:06:55 mircea_popescu: "this is the standards of derivation work".

22:06:59 ascii_field: maths folks have the luxury of inescapable truths

22:07:11 ascii_field: engineers have to pick screw size.

22:07:12 mircea_popescu: "we are the best practices body for functional analysis"

22:07:15 ascii_field: packet format. etc

22:07:39 ascii_field: incidentally there ~was~ a time when mathematical notations duked it out (newton's, if you recall, lost)

22:07:52 mircea_popescu: the things they have to pick in nature ARE AN IMPOSITION OF NATURE. the reason you need to pick screw sizes is because "your screw" shares its physical attributes with a different item of the same shape in the same place.

22:07:57 ascii_field: or, more recently, quaternions lost to matrices

22:08:03 mircea_popescu: this is not a matter of notation.

22:08:29 ascii_field: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=305 << my attempt at enumerating 'what standards'

22:08:31 assbot: Loper OS » The Five Types of Technological Standard ... ( http://bit.ly/1T2NPAC )

22:09:08 mircea_popescu: there is clearly a problem here. ideal objects (such as software) are not comensurate with physical objects. this attempt to "engineer programs like screws" was a reasonable first hack at the novel an dunexpected problem,

22:09:09 ascii_field: (note that i would not write this piece today, in the same way; not sure if type 5 exists in real life at all)

22:09:14 mircea_popescu: but imo it's quickly running out of steam

22:09:34 ascii_field: i kinda ran with the idea, here http://www.loper-os.org/?p=309

22:09:35 assbot: Loper OS » No Formats, no Format Wars. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DG9cuX )

22:09:36 mircea_popescu: yes, it's true that irl if i misplace the screw and then sit on it it'll puncture my ass.

22:10:36 mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> it is when it ~began~ << yes, and engineering in "making real objects" sense is exactly that. but from this it does not follow that the same everywhere!

22:10:37 ascii_field: they are 'like screws' in the sense that two programs can only communicate if some provision for this was foreseen

22:10:56 mircea_popescu: it still doesn't follow that you should treat them like a nut and a bolt.

22:11:25 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: if anything, there is ~less~ slack than with any physical screw

22:11:52 ascii_field: precisely ~because~ program is an ideal object, it is so unforgiving.

22:11:59 mircea_popescu: so i'll condense this yet vague and uncoallesced and thus impractical notion in my head by saying : that a body of standards is where engineering starts with physical objects ; and the proof engineering failed with ideal objects.

22:12:26 mircea_popescu: ascii_field i think that's an undefined result of an out of domain operation you're choosing to interpret a certain way.

22:12:29 ascii_field: i wrote more or less this, long ago, in a different formulation :

22:12:44 mircea_popescu: like, ask engineer "what's the result of dividing apple by orange ?" "zero" sort of thing

22:12:47 ascii_field: 'if there appears to be more than one way to solve programmatic problem, your priors are crap'

22:12:52 mircea_popescu: aha!

22:13:08 mircea_popescu: myeah, they are off the same core.

22:13:34 ascii_field: just like there is not, rightfully, more than one correct way to subtract 1 from an integer of a known size.

22:13:40 mircea_popescu: exactly this is at issue. what "competing language spaces" for crying out loud. explain to me the "competition" to be had between waveform and heisenberg notation already.

22:13:44 mircea_popescu: exactly.

22:14:18 mircea_popescu: tbh the standard is : if you want to make a "new language" and you don't have written code that transforms WITHOUT ERROR all other programs in all other languages to yours, you do not have a lnaguage.

22:14:48 mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field `

22:14:59 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the above is kinda why i laugh at all the non-sexpr languages.

22:16:02 ascii_field: bbl

22:16:05 mircea_popescu: ascii_field see basically, standard AS A THING even exist because

22:16:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24731 @ 0.00067788 = 16.7647 BTC [-] {3}

22:16:25 mircea_popescu: there was the need to interpose an ideal layer between actual items and human industry.

22:16:52 mircea_popescu: which then had to interface with reality, and the whole subject of "ecology" is essentially trying to deal with one particular suite of bugs in this interfacing. which, incidentally, we know on good authority will NEVER be perfect.

22:17:42 mircea_popescu: but then to go on the strength of this and interpose "an ideal layer" between ideal objects an human industry is simply runaway complexity. because zero one infinity, once you got two you got an infinity and in practice everyone seems to end up trying to juggle an ever-approaching infinity number of balls.

22:18:22 mircea_popescu: the obviousness of all this is inescapable if one actually has at the same time the intellectual werewithal to regard the matter and the emotional disinterest of not giving a shit about the whole lot of it.

22:19:18 mircea_popescu: this stupidraven has come back to roost, where brainfried derps without a working interposed ideal layer are claiming the ideal object they fail to interfacr with is "really a real object nao".

22:19:26 mircea_popescu: which, lord have mercy.

22:22:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24900 @ 0.00069632 = 17.3384 BTC [+] {3}

22:23:12 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259717 << >> https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felix_C

22:23:12 assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 13:47:14; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259538 << what 'its own' ? afaik there were z80, 6502, and a few pdp-compatibles. nothing 'own'.

22:23:12 assbot: Felix C - Wikipedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCalsm )

22:27:46 mats: http://www.wsj.com/articles/pentagon-watches-as-chinese-navy-ships-sail-in-bering-sea-1441216258

22:27:48 assbot: Five Chinese Navy Ships Are Operating in Bering Sea Off Alaska Coast - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCaADT )

22:28:18 jurov: http://www.historiepocitacu.cz/samocinny-pocitac-sapo.html likewise

22:28:19 assbot: Samočinný počítač SAPO | Historie počítačů v Československu ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCaCM4 )

22:29:07 jurov: (relay computer cuz vacuum tubes were hard to get, with built in fault tolerance)

22:29:40 mats: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/sep/1/putin-seeks-dump-dollar-regional-trade/

22:29:41 assbot: Vladimir Putin seeks to dump the dollar in regional trade - Washington Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCaJHj )

22:38:00 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259599 << i'm not, as it happens, though this is definitely the exception, at least at the 'reform' level (most secular) and in this part of the world. credit goes to my completely secular father for wanting to give me an alibi. y'know. just in case.

22:38:00 assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 08:40:37; cazalla: or is it the norm for secular jews to maintain their foreskin?

22:39:38 mircea_popescu: ahaha crazy.

22:39:49 pete_dushenski: a cord, which, yes, i would pull if needed. there are better causes to die for. better causes to be a martyr for.

22:40:22 mircea_popescu: i dunno dude. by the time being romanian's a crime in itself i have very little interest left in doing anything but killing people indiscriminately.

22:40:29 mircea_popescu: what better cause ?

22:40:55 pete_dushenski: there's that too

22:42:29 pete_dushenski: which makes one wonder why ~more~ americans aren't killing people indiscriminately.

22:42:38 mats: lol, dong inspection as proof of jewry

22:42:39 mircea_popescu: plenty are huh.

22:42:47 pete_dushenski: given : http://fraudsters.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/crime-of-being-american.jpg

22:42:49 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCbPmD )

22:42:56 mircea_popescu: mats you are perhaps too young to remember, but this is STILL DONE

22:42:58 mircea_popescu: to the pope.

22:43:18 mats: the indignity of an old cardinal inspecting your cock.

22:43:30 pete_dushenski: dignity ! (tm)

22:43:33 mircea_popescu: by the time yoiu're that old, more women held your cock to pee than to suck it anyway

22:43:51 mircea_popescu: i would guess pope's used to it.

22:44:55 BingoBoingo: http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/judge-missouri-right-to-farm-doesn-t-cover-marijuana/article_eba50d05-6bc4-562f-8251-e79ad766e736.html

22:45:04 mircea_popescu: brought to you by the "she's a whore anyway, what rape" department of legal thinking.

22:45:50 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: 'right to farm' recalls 'right to repair' (cars)

22:46:12 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Last election cycle it joined the Missouri state consitution's bill of rights

22:46:44 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo how exactly can judge go "wait it doesn't include x" ?

22:46:47 pete_dushenski: to which vw/audi famously responded "ok fuck you amerikans zen, ve vill not pahblish ze manuels for AYNEEBODY"

22:46:50 mircea_popescu: who specifically asked him.

22:46:52 pete_dushenski: not even their own dealers

22:47:05 pete_dushenski: so dealers would look at obd-ii codes and have nfi what they meant

22:47:11 pete_dushenski: only learning through trial and error

22:48:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21050 @ 0.00070084 = 14.7527 BTC [+] {3}

22:49:48 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Because words don't mean anything in 'Murica

22:50:04 mircea_popescu: "missouri constitution includes right to farm - this right doesn't include any actual activities ftr"

22:50:06 mircea_popescu: da fuck

22:51:26 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259720 << whole tradition there, starting with those dudes that cut off their sexual organs altogether.

22:51:26 assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 13:50:03; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259599 << cock-chopping was forbidden in su.

22:51:43 shinohai: So people in Missouri are basically just serfs.

22:51:54 BingoBoingo: Well, in all of USia

22:52:26 shinohai: Well, in a *broad* sense yes.

22:53:51 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259882 <--> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0SWaGfkPxA

22:53:51 assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 17:43:46; ascii_field: 'Evasion techniques can get creative. Raj Rajaratnam, the fund manager convicted in 2011 of insider trading, would write “fon” instead of “phone.” Prosecutors said they suspected the intentional misspelling was meant to distract the all-seeing electronic Javert of Control-F.' << gold

22:53:52 assbot: The Confrontation - Les Misérables - 10th Anniversary Concert - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCcYKT )

22:54:08 pete_dushenski: ^javert v. valjean

22:54:19 pete_dushenski: no one better than colm wilkinson as valjean

22:55:10 pete_dushenski: wilkinson is a total rockstar

22:55:30 *: pete_dushenski swoons, ever so slightly, ever so noticeably

22:55:57 mircea_popescu: dude check it out, next year's crop of "evasion technisuke crrrrreativity" will be rot13

22:56:08 mircea_popescu: this s/fon/phone/ substitit is so last century

22:57:03 pete_dushenski: lol we'll be installing r0t0linux soon

22:57:57 BingoBoingo: and USeA4tR Fr33BDSM

22:59:54 shinohai: Another fine example of DNM lulz: The throwaway account TOTALLY makes me invisible. https://redd.it/3jdsm8

22:59:55 assbot: reddit.com: over 18? ... ( http://bit.ly/1UnZdrb )

23:01:28 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259966 << but gavin said storage was phree !

23:01:28 assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 20:41:48; mats: BingoBoingo: related, http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/08/cops-decide-to-collect-less-license-plate-data-after-80gb-drive-got-full

23:01:30 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259764 << that is a bizarre interpretation.

23:01:30 assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 14:15:06; asciilifeform: ^ lulzy. arsonist sets fire, buys up assets at fire sale, then complains when folks whack him over the head to take back the stolen goods

23:02:00 pete_dushenski: also, alf should send usgavin invoice for beefier bandwidth line. because 'bitcoin needs business services nao'

23:04:51 pete_dushenski: ;;later tell jurov any daily update for coinbr ? inquiring minds and all that

23:04:52 gribble: The operation succeeded.

23:06:20 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259801 << therein lies the answer. 10 cents an hour (and it will be an hour of a top dollar recording studio, charging 1k an hour or some shit for use) is perfectly reasonable.

23:06:20 assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 14:36:08; kakobrekla: they are supposed to be quite durable tho, 10khrs +

23:06:36 mircea_popescu: if the alternative costs $19 but breaks down once a day, the 1k one is cheaper.

23:09:50 mircea_popescu: "UPDATE! PayPal has reversed their decision!" was the best part.

23:11:17 mircea_popescu: "Now I happen to have a large enough domain portfolio that I have my own personal rep at Godaddy"

23:11:19 shinohai: !rated pete_dushenski

23:11:19 assbot: You have not rated pete_dushenski.

23:11:20 *: mircea_popescu loses interest.

23:11:23 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1260034 << anyone with a better eye for 'nuke' damage smell bullshit here ?

23:11:23 assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 21:19:18; funkenstein_: for those interested in old thread re: joe vialls, we have http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/08/25/confirmation-tianjin-was-nuked/

23:11:31 shinohai: !rate pete_dushenski 1 Author of contravex, one of my favorite blogs.

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23:12:19 shinohai: !v assbot:shinohai.rate.pete_dushenski.1:da8a7593454219e9202301e85f30fa13fa6578f82140f30e805bd03d632c2280

23:12:19 assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for pete_dushenski with note: Author of contravex, one of my favorite blogs.

23:12:23 pete_dushenski: shinohai: you have other favourites ?! what is this, democristan where you can dabble a bit here and a bit there and figure that all's well ?!!

23:12:25 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259866 << this obviously being the only remaining value in that shithole : that soccer moms and aging clerks think "hey, it's in wikipedia" does something.

23:12:25 assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 17:22:41; ascii_field: BingoBoingo et al: http://fusion.net/story/191544/wikipedia-editors-just-banned-381-accounts-over-a-huge-fraud-and-extortion-scandal

23:13:06 *: mircea_popescu is glad to see the downward spiral activated, will welcome a world with that excrement pile relegated to its proper corner.

23:13:11 shinohai: I can't just read contravex alone. I read constantly.

23:14:02 pete_dushenski: that's a point, i don't even have 5 years of archives in an obscure latin language for you to toil in until the end of your days

23:14:12 pete_dushenski: unlike...

23:14:45 shinohai: I have yet to find a decent bitcoin-related blog in Spanish.

23:15:38 mircea_popescu: i have yet to find anything intellectually stimulating in spanish. the thing's incredibly dead, last noteworthy anything happened apparently in the 1800s

23:16:14 pete_dushenski: shinohai: because as stupid as english-speakers are today, this hasn't always been the case. whereas spanish, as mircea_popescu points out, has always been the language of slaves.

23:16:28 pete_dushenski: certainly in the americas

23:16:35 shinohai: I had yet to read him opine on Spanish.

23:16:44 shinohai: But yes, that is true.

23:17:10 pete_dushenski: as to spain proper, well, they still have a few museums of note, but other than that it's just doner kebab stands and beaches

23:17:20 mircea_popescu: ftr i dun hold the "always language of slaves" thing and omg if you're going to say what i said link to sauce!

23:17:38 mircea_popescu: odds are you'll remember it ever-so-slighty wrong and piss me off

23:17:53 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: s/always/long then.

23:18:19 mircea_popescu: no, seriously, it's a cornerstone of a functioning internal life : always have the source material at the ready.

23:18:30 shinohai: When I quote mircea_popescu on twitter, I generally always link here or to fraudsters.

23:19:08 shinohai: I will paraphrase on occasion though.

23:19:14 mircea_popescu: an' in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/b46e0ee242925ffdaf36955d51ed3ed7/tumblr_n27q4nqm1j1rjbi2lo1_500.jpg

23:19:15 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCfW1Z )

23:19:57 shinohai: I used to have that exact tile pattern in my bathroom.

23:20:07 shinohai: I hated it.

23:20:36 ag3nt_zer0: greetings

23:20:40 mircea_popescu: i just liked the stockings.

23:21:21 ag3nt_zer0: anyone have an opinion on paul craig roberts writings?

23:21:52 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259883 << this sort of brain rot is pervasive of the certain empowered-nanny idiot that large state always collapses into. consider http://www.27bslash6.com/flash.html

23:21:52 assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 17:44:35; ascii_field: '“They use terms to find evidence of whether someone is trying to hide their activities because evidence of a cover-up is frequently more potent than the evidence of the alleged crime,” Brodsky said.'

23:21:53 assbot: I am able to move small objects with my mind. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Uo0TAZ )

23:22:03 mircea_popescu: "He denied having the drive which means he knew he shouldn't have it here then it was found in his bag so I feel the punishment is suitable."

23:22:23 mircea_popescu: or it could mean he fucvking forgot, or that he finds my body odour objectionable and wants to get out already

23:22:29 mircea_popescu: but i'm going with "knew wrong blablabla".

23:23:04 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2014#838829 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-08-2014#796935

23:23:04 assbot: Logged on 21-09-2014 16:33:51; mircea_popescu: and spanish is like alien, can't be learned by humans, unlike lisp and scheme

23:23:04 assbot: Logged on 15-08-2014 04:13:32; mircea_popescu: i only talk spanish to my horse

23:23:18 mircea_popescu: the fundamental driver being the stupid woman in question's inferiority complex. she knows she's filth and she knows actual people wouldn't give her idiocy the time of day. which is "resolved" in her mind as "of course what everyone spends ever ymoment doing is thinking about my stupid shit. yes that's right i'm that central"

23:23:22 pete_dushenski: also relevant to the discussion, an exception ! http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2014#600239

23:23:22 assbot: Logged on 02-04-2014 20:35:41; mircea_popescu: whoa check that out, apparently you can say intelligent things in spanish!

23:23:30 deedbot-: [Qntra] Peoria Pays $125,000 in Satire Settlement - http://qntra.net/2015/09/peoria-pays-125000-in-satire-settlement/

23:23:30 mircea_popescu: try telling the us tax man that "you just never gave a shit about irs stuff"

23:23:37 mircea_popescu: see some very butthurt faces.

23:24:00 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski much better!

23:24:30 mircea_popescu: you readily see how the first one was being sarcastic, re alf's complaints right ?

23:24:40 mircea_popescu: the second is a tongue in cheek reference to a famous quote

23:25:05 mircea_popescu: charles 5th, hre, said I speak Spanish to God, Italian to Women, French to Men, and German to my Horse.

23:25:17 mircea_popescu: the spanish/german substitution was intended to be funny, to they familair with the classics.

23:25:30 pete_dushenski: totally, but within that must lie a grain of truth, or it wouldn't be funny !

23:26:06 mircea_popescu: (this , incidentally, is a large reason why classic texts are so commonly misunderstood by the layman - such as for instance shakespeare by tolstoy. there exists this device where a is replaced by b with the expectation on the part of the writer that the reader notices the substitution and holds it meaningful

23:26:18 shinohai: Now I am forlorn pete_dushenski because on more thought my housecleaner speaks Spanish. xD

23:26:34 mircea_popescu: a degradation of that expectation under the blessings of mass educationm is visible for instance in the very vulgar but sadly necessary habit of peppering ^H^H^H^H in the logs.

23:27:54 pete_dushenski: bbiab

23:27:59 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1260182 << from the very scant material, it appears to not differ meaningfully from ibm360

23:27:59 assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 22:23:12; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259717 << >> https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felix_C

23:29:20 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it went into production in 1970

23:29:41 ag3nt_zer0: I do wonder if this type of scene has its foreign parallels or if it is largely a US phenomena: http://www.city-journal.org/html/13_1_how_i_joined.html

23:29:43 assbot: How I Joined Teach for America--and Got Sued for $20 Million by Joshua Kaplowitz, City Journal Winter 2003 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Uo1OBs )

23:30:00 mircea_popescu: that discussion you quoted was 69 iirc ?

23:30:10 asciilifeform: aha

23:30:21 mircea_popescu: so it was already underway at that time.

23:30:38 mircea_popescu: im not making any claims as to value or quality, mind.

23:30:58 asciilifeform: but yes, from what i can tell, it was not a straight clone

23:31:26 mircea_popescu: it was actually in part based on stolen us ip throughout the mid 60s, and in part on actually refined tube techs

23:31:30 mircea_popescu: (wasn't fully integrated)

23:32:54 mircea_popescu: but the romanians didn't much like the soviets. (if you recall, nixon visited in 69 etc)

23:33:10 asciilifeform: ag3nt_zer0: it is sop, and i know a fella personally who went into and then, a few years later, quit teaching school, for reasons not entirely unlike what was described in your link.

23:33:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40500 @ 0.0007022 = 28.4391 BTC [+]

23:33:36 mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge9L9iXJfx8 for lulz

23:33:37 assbot: President Nixon Visits Rumania (1969) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JChBEx )

23:34:50 BingoBoingo: In other news further Mullenweg derp https://wordpress.org/support/topic/emoji-and-smiley-js-and-css-added-to-head

23:34:51 assbot: WordPress › Support » Emoji and smiley js and css added to head ... ( http://bit.ly/1JChHw6 )

23:35:55 mircea_popescu: dawg im not reading that idiot yale grad's bland prose.

23:36:10 mircea_popescu: whats the executive summary, girl wanted to fuck him, he said no, girls brother killed him ?

23:36:16 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1260257 << the whole site is classic crankbait

23:36:16 assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 23:11:23; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1260034 << anyone with a better eye for 'nuke' damage smell bullshit here ?

23:36:21 asciilifeform: !s crankbait

23:36:22 assbot: 3 results for 'crankbait' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=crankbait

23:36:46 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259906 << totally!

23:36:46 assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 18:15:54; punkman: the world doesn't know how the world works

23:36:52 asciilifeform: !s crank bait

23:36:53 assbot: 22 results for 'crank bait' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=crank+bait

23:37:34 ag3nt_zer0: asciilifeform: ok thx... I was speaking generally to the atmosphere of the degenerate adult-fail of the contemporary populace in failing to take on their roles as mentors and superiors of the children, combined with these wretched inner-city armed guard metal detector ghetto schools...

23:37:35 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=03-12-2014#944325 << see thread.

23:37:35 assbot: Logged on 03-12-2014 23:20:00; asciilifeform: crank bait is normally factual material that blows 'official truth' out of the water, placed deliberately in the public domain.

23:38:02 asciilifeform: ag3nt_zer0: interfering with the men-to-monkey converter 'would be r4c1s7!!!!'

23:38:25 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259928 << ahaha that aas funny

23:38:25 assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 19:48:07; jurov: requires nano ~/.vimrc first

23:38:29 asciilifeform: usg needs steady supply of rabid monkeys for 101 different purposes.

23:38:33 ag3nt_zer0: just hard to imagine it being so bad sinc eus is lawsuit culture and leadingthis equality/entitlement movement

23:39:01 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> dawg im not reading that idiot yale grad's bland prose. << It's from their forum. User asks why upgrade left them with a bunch of .js and Derpomatic says if you don't like it install a plugin

23:39:17 asciilifeform: ag3nt_zer0: monkeys are 'entitled' to your flesh and twelve generations'. this is in the konstitooshin or similar.

23:39:25 asciilifeform: somewhere.

23:39:26 ag3nt_zer0: haha

23:39:27 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo no i meant ag3nt_zer0 s crop. i don't read the other fucktard but i know what he'sa saying anywa

23:39:32 BingoBoingo: ah

23:40:13 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259934 << this just means you suck.

23:40:13 assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 19:55:25; shinohai: We can't all have Stepford wives.

23:40:17 ag3nt_zer0: mircea_popescu: hahah ok understandable

23:40:48 asciilifeform: from what i recall of the film, the wives were not appealing (imho)

23:40:49 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259941 << lmao they're not even different idiots.

23:40:49 assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 19:57:46; ascii_field: and mircea_popescu is gonna love this one, http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/08/ashley-madison-abusing-dmca-to-put-genie-back-in-the-bottle-eff-says

23:41:02 mircea_popescu: you could run the entire "vc software industry" off of half a brain

23:41:08 asciilifeform: of a mouse

23:41:38 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform see, if i were to say "the appearance of best business practices is proof positive business as a going concern is dead" you'd see what i mean

23:41:43 mircea_popescu: yet with engineering this is not so.

23:41:58 mircea_popescu: why the fuck does anyone need "best business practices" ? and what do they need them FOR ?

23:42:14 mircea_popescu: "we want to break the law safely"

23:42:16 mircea_popescu: "how about you don't"

23:42:19 asciilifeform: the phrase is a nonsensical americanism, aha

23:42:21 mircea_popescu: "can't, it's too stupid"

23:42:23 mircea_popescu: "throw it out"

23:42:27 mircea_popescu: /glazeover

23:42:33 asciilifeform: but there are such things as double-entry bookkeeping, etc. which are reasonably traditional

23:42:43 mircea_popescu: and pointedly NOT that.

23:43:20 mircea_popescu: let me put this question in its proper framing, harking back to the scholastic disputes of a millenium ago.

23:43:28 mircea_popescu: who made the standard ? how did they know what to put into it ?

23:43:41 mircea_popescu: if you also know, the same way, why do you want it ? if you do not, why do you aim to be involved in this ?

23:43:47 mircea_popescu: are you son of god or son of man ?

23:44:57 asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> if you also know, the same way, why do you want it ? if you do not, why do you aim to be involved in this ? << that's the magic moment where engineer typically understands (or worse, does not) that the standard is a hierarchical imposition, rather than an act of education like teaching a child to add and substract

23:44:58 mircea_popescu: reality may surprise and remain valid. thoughts may not. surprising thoughts are ipso facto invalid. which is why the destruction of engineering as an intellectual activity is covered in "creativity"

23:45:36 mircea_popescu: therre is no such thing as "creativity" in tech, and there's certainly no place for "women in tech" understood as monkeys.

23:45:53 asciilifeform: thought can legitimately surprise when sense replaces nonsense, rather than vice-versa

23:45:57 mircea_popescu: and i don't care how "raceis", "rapey" or whatever else the understanding of women as people is.

23:46:09 asciilifeform: (iirc 'v' even, surprised a few people)

23:46:16 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform unsurpisingly.

23:46:22 asciilifeform: l0l

23:46:26 asciilifeform: !b 7

23:46:27 assbot: Last 7 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1HE3F7P.txt )

23:46:40 mircea_popescu: how did you pick the 7 i wanna know lol

23:46:52 asciilifeform: by pressing button.

23:47:00 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu has one too...

23:47:04 *: mircea_popescu has no idea where this convo starts

23:47:15 mircea_popescu: 17, 299, however many lines ag

23:47:16 mircea_popescu: o

23:48:21 asciilifeform: re: the scholastic dispute of old times, i am reminded of 'the gate is closed' edict of islam

23:48:41 asciilifeform: which is blamed for the decline of arab culture in 16th c

23:49:06 mircea_popescu: i am unconvinced by any explanation of decline that reads different from "success brought abundance which made people complacent. the end."

23:49:26 asciilifeform: 'gate of ijtihad'

23:49:47 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is rather like writing 'stopped breathing' on death certificate. yes, accurate...

23:49:59 mircea_popescu: aha.

23:50:40 mircea_popescu: ijtihad is merely the arabic for "buck stops"

23:51:21 asciilifeform: http://www.jstor.org/stable/162939?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

23:51:22 assbot: JSTOR: An Error Occurred Setting Your User Cookie ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCjl0O )

23:51:50 asciilifeform: or, from peanut gallery, http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2006/03/the_gate_of_ijt.html

23:51:51 assbot: Sic Semper Tyrannis : The Gate of Ijtihad ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCjpgW )

23:52:13 asciilifeform: not having command of the language, i also lack a good source for this thing.

23:53:10 *: asciilifeform brb.

23:53:53 *: mircea_popescu can scarcely believe all the ustards have to talk about is whether men sit like this or like that

23:54:01 mircea_popescu: who the fuck asked anyone their fucking opinion omfg

23:55:52 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259982 << bwahahaha

23:55:52 assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 20:46:58; mats: >71% do not qualify for service

23:55:58 mircea_popescu: yet somehow qualified for life ?

23:56:05 mircea_popescu: how? who actually believes this ?

23:56:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7937 @ 0.00069458 = 5.5129 BTC [-]

23:57:10 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259992 >> i'm not even convinced he even for a second proposes that as factual. reads to me like alf's writing a novel in his spare time is all.

23:57:10 assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 20:52:46; mats: waco victims were hardly defenseless. i follow what you're saying, particularly re: historical context, but i'm not convinced this is practicable in usa