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Transcript for 02-11-2014, 741 lines:

00:00:16 mircea_popescu: well what is this "all history shows property X so therefore future will too" ?

00:00:45 punkman: I had theories!

00:01:48 kakobrekla: the reasoning: only close bets make it to bitbet and humanity is mostly a fail

00:01:52 mircea_popescu: the therrorists win ?

00:02:10 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla lol not bad!

00:02:31 punkman: on another note, punkbot is alive again, yay

00:03:10 mircea_popescu: a cool.

00:03:47 punkman: cooked some ribeyes from the americas, debugged while digesting

00:03:58 punkman: unfortunately from north americas

00:04:33 mircea_popescu: a digestabugging!

00:04:51 punkman: I like it

00:04:59 *: mats_cd03 lights a bowl

00:05:09 mats_cd03: aaand now to install obsd 5.6

00:05:23 punkman: good times

00:05:29 mircea_popescu: http://oglaf.com/submission/ << mainstream bdsm.

00:05:30 assbot: Submission

00:06:39 *: jurov is debugging a turdatron. don't want to make verbs from it

00:07:24 jurov: any idea how to quickly dump contents fo sqlite into HTML?

00:07:36 jurov: there are jsut two tables, patches and sigs

00:08:13 mircea_popescu: i thought it had a html export baked in

00:10:18 jurov: oh yes, it does!

00:10:47 mircea_popescu: i'm so good at solving problems that don't exist.

00:11:28 jurov: cue bash #305 :D

00:11:59 punkman: jurov: you can do that from sqlite shell

00:12:22 punkman: .mode html

00:24:33 kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-09-2014#831155

00:24:33 assbot: Logged on 16-09-2014 17:28:54; kakobrekla: how do you measure success

00:24:44 kakobrekla: found my answer, sorta: >Our staffing costs alone run $45,000 a month. Our hosting costs for September were $8,500.

00:24:59 mircea_popescu: that's how you measure public idiocy,

00:25:18 mircea_popescu: by looking at what scammers claim as part of their scamtext, you can guess what the general sea of idiots imagines is going on.

00:25:34 kakobrekla: clearly

00:26:03 kakobrekla: i can easily make bitbet spend 45k a month

00:26:05 kakobrekla: :)

00:26:31 kakobrekla: or 8.5k to be fair.

00:26:42 kakobrekla: 45 would be challenging.

00:27:21 mircea_popescu: you're too young to pay for women.

00:27:39 punkman: ;;ticker

00:27:40 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 323.24, Best ask: 324.2, Bid-ask spread: 0.96000, Last trade: 324.21, 24 hour volume: 15042.34159385, 24 hour low: 316.61, 24 hour high: 339.47, 24 hour vwap: 326.688260005

00:30:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10943 @ 0.00077913 = 8.526 BTC [+]

00:31:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11402 @ 0.00078087 = 8.9035 BTC [+]

00:33:36 xiando: $102000/year for hosting, uhm exactly what do they claim to be hosting there.. facebook? google? yahoo?

00:34:25 xiando: I guess it makes sense if you don't have a bunch of servers and websites yourself

00:34:39 mircea_popescu: it makes exactly no sense, unless you're from reddit.

00:35:41 xiando: perhaps if you're hosting reddit (even then it seems like a lot)

00:38:59 kakobrekla: you're too young to pay for women. < oh oh i see, young enough to emulate em

00:39:45 mircea_popescu: lmao

00:40:30 xiando: you'd be mostly paying not to have anything more to do with them imho, if you just want one for the night then there's plenty at the local bars

00:40:39 mircea_popescu: http://lh3.ggpht.com/_OVtOM-JqUfA/SdISYu2icDI/AAAAAAAAIPQ/puqOfJnQkfA/s800/ZN_Emu3.jpg << this is emu-lating, for the record.

00:41:38 cazalla: mircea_popescu, you know we had a great emu war in australia.. that we lost

00:41:55 mircea_popescu: did you lose it pleasurably ?

00:42:17 cazalla: the army machine gunned the emus but it wasn't enough

00:43:53 cazalla: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emu_War

00:43:53 assbot: Emu War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

00:48:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18800 @ 0.00078523 = 14.7623 BTC [+] {2}

00:48:35 assbot: ninjashogun +v failed; L1: 0, L2: -4

00:49:57 punkman: how do you cut big blocks of chocolate into less unwieldy pieces?

00:50:17 mircea_popescu: if its any good, you crack it against a large marble slab.

00:51:56 punkman: it's a piece from one of those 10kg blocks, says Callebaut

00:52:10 punkman: guess that might be better than heated knife

00:52:21 mircea_popescu: meh, belgian. they oversweet their shit.

00:52:30 mircea_popescu: but anyway, yeah, sure. crack it on the countertop.

00:56:07 punkman: was same price as some Nestle shit, and not much sugar, not a bad deal

00:58:16 cazalla: choc i buy down here uses agave nectar, pretty nice stuff

00:58:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4205 @ 0.00078376 = 3.2957 BTC [-]

00:58:45 punkman: !up ninjashogun

00:58:56 cazalla: http://www.panachocolate.com/eighty/ a little expensive but worth it

00:58:57 assbot: Eighty - Pana Chocolate Store

00:59:02 ninjashogun: thanks. I asked for voice to request this:

00:59:07 ninjashogun: <ninjashogun> hi - could I ask you to remove my full name from the logs. I have been open about what it is and it appears once or twice in the bitcoin-assets logs. I realize that this ecosystem is very different and that people here don't believe in traditional startups, but I have investors doing due dilligence on me, and it is uncomfortable to come up in google results.

00:59:07 ninjashogun: <ninjashogun> I realize that you also are careful about your online footprint so you will appreciate this. I think I didn't realize that it's a publicly-indexed log at the time.

00:59:18 mircea_popescu: lmao.

00:59:30 mircea_popescu: what is the schmuck's name anyway ?

00:59:39 ninjashogun: I can PM you if you want. Let's not repeat this.

00:59:54 punkman: I don't think I've seen your name

00:59:57 ninjashogun: Look, we're all adults here and know how an IRC conversation looks to a random person googling an individual.

01:00:21 mircea_popescu: get lost. we really don't give a shit either way.

01:00:23 mircea_popescu: !down ninjashogun

01:01:39 mircea_popescu: if anyone ever googles this idiot : there are better ways to flush your money down a toilet.

01:01:43 mircea_popescu: including the literal.

01:02:16 mats_cd03: do they ship to the us cazalla? can't seem to find it

01:02:47 cazalla: mats_cd03, prolly not

01:02:59 mircea_popescu: given that i have like 2lbs of chocolate right here, which i just bought today, it's a wonder we're not the fattest people online.

01:03:09 mircea_popescu: what with all this chocolate conneisseurship

01:03:13 mats_cd03: well now i'm just disappointed

01:07:32 jurov: just today i came across an adverticle about "need to increas VC penetration in Slovakia"

01:07:59 jurov: i was like, myeah, better WC penetration would be handy sometims

01:20:05 punkman: speaking of belgium, http://www.maisondandoy.com/en/order/

01:24:31 cazalla: no news about so far today

01:24:44 cazalla: afterall, i wouldn't want anyone to think i'm slacking

01:31:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00077792 = 6.7679 BTC [-]

01:32:09 thestringpuller: i have news

01:32:14 thestringpuller: "still no updates on punkbot"

01:32:20 thestringpuller: jkjk punkman

01:32:37 punkman: what I just gave status update

01:33:27 thestringpuller: I was just trolling! I'm sorry I couldn't resist.

01:34:05 punkman: I am already humiliated by letting invalid deed pass through

01:34:13 punkman: (but I just deleted it from db, ha!)

01:34:21 thestringpuller: scandalous!

01:38:23 punkman: 437 people in assbot's l2, 2.9mb pubring

01:39:52 mircea_popescu: <punkman> I am already humiliated by letting invalid deed pass through << how did that happen ?

01:40:08 punkman: gpg library lied to me, and also I suck

01:41:15 punkman: (library docs)

01:48:07 cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/11/jeffrey-robinson-bitcoin-used-by-terrorists/

01:48:07 assbot: Jeffrey Robinson: Bitcoin Used By Terrorists | Qntra.net

01:49:12 mircea_popescu: ;;google Jeffrey Robinson

01:49:13 gribble: Jeffrey Robinson, Author & Journalist: http://www.jeffreyrobinson.com/; Jeffrey Robinson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Robinson; Jeffrey Robinson | Rutgers Business School: http://business.rutgers.edu/faculty-research/directory/robinson-jeffrey

01:49:35 mircea_popescu: ohic. dude that'd totally know what he's talking about.

01:57:14 mircea_popescu: also in the news : jeffrey robinson is a fraudulent grant eater that's spent 100's of thousands off the public treasury and has yet to produce anything of value.

01:59:17 punkman: punkbot, status

01:59:18 punkbot: punkman: No pending deeds | Last bundle 2 hours and 27 minutes ago

01:59:28 punkman: punkbot, balance

01:59:28 punkbot: punkman: Balance at 1LAwrWMbPLLSpt7nkD5Jv1Yf4cwPhD98ny is 0.01603 BTC (0.0 unconfirmed), enough for 145 more bundles.

02:04:54 punkman: punkbot, deed http://dpaste.com/18E29HJ

02:04:54 assbot: dpaste: 18E29HJ

02:04:54 punkbot: punkman: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle.

02:07:55 punkman: we'll pay $0.03575 for that silly deed!

02:08:20 punkman: thestringpuller: ^ give it a try

02:08:55 punkman: .status

02:08:55 punkbot: punkman: 1 pending deed | Last bundle 2 hours and 36 minutes ago

02:10:57 punkman: mircea_popescu: should I give deedwallet password to you or kakobrekla for safekeeping?

02:13:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6650 @ 0.0007789 = 5.1797 BTC [+]

02:25:33 punkman: .status

02:25:33 punkbot: punkman: 1 pending deed | Last bundle 2 hours and 53 minutes ago

02:28:41 mircea_popescu: punkbot sure, give it to kako

02:29:13 punkman: heh INFO 2014-11-02T02:28:41 Not replying to sure, in #bitcoin-assets, not a command.

02:29:27 mircea_popescu: oops :p

02:29:50 punkman: .deed http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2014-October/000004.html

02:29:51 punkbot: punkman: No valid deeds found, try again. (invalid: 1)

02:29:57 kakobrekla: mps wot is larger number. give it to mp.

02:30:07 punkbot: Bundled 1 deed | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/1KFaXF5J

02:30:07 assbot: Bundle 1KFaXF5J | #bitcoin-assets deed registry

02:30:46 punkman: success! https://blockchain.info/tx/aaa9c986ae676a6970eb180fe38368bca16b143cd0ca74821893d08b7e5b664e

02:30:46 assbot: Bitcoin Transaction aaa9c986ae676a6970eb180fe38368bca16b143cd0ca74821893d08b7e5b664e

02:30:58 mircea_popescu: amazing success!

02:30:58 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

02:31:06 punkman: btw notice deed address is 1Law

02:31:14 mircea_popescu: yay!

02:31:30 punkman: .balance

02:31:30 punkbot: punkman: Balance at 1LAwrWMbPLLSpt7nkD5Jv1Yf4cwPhD98ny is 0.01603 BTC (-0.00011 unconfirmed), enough for 145 more bundles.

02:32:04 punkman: .status

02:32:04 punkbot: punkman: No pending deeds | Last bundle 1 minute ago | 1 unconfirmed bundle

02:32:56 mircea_popescu: these argentinian dudes are so fucktarded it's hard to put into words. so there's a few streets in the financial district where literally 100s of derps hawk "cambio, cambio!" trying to get some paper benjies for their locally-printed toilet paper. all day long.

02:33:39 mircea_popescu: saturday night tho ? ZERO! i don't mean, most of the fat ones with good business didn't bother, leav ing just a few of the sketchier, hungrier fellows. no, i mean exactly zero. as if saturday night is not a time. not part of the world. does not exist.

02:34:10 mircea_popescu: the exact fucking antihussle. i wonder what the fuck dope dealers are doing, because i find it hard to believe argentine junkies all keep a stash.

02:35:14 punkman: is financial district busy saturday night?

02:35:32 mircea_popescu: what difference does it make ?

02:35:50 mircea_popescu: take a tour through the red light district, sometime. the hookers are out whether there's johns or not.

02:36:01 mircea_popescu: because THAT IS THEIR MOTHERFUCKING JOB.

02:36:22 mircea_popescu: they have to suck a lot of cock for that foot of sidewalk. it's not like somehow magically it's not a sidewalk anymore between 13:30 and 14:25

02:37:09 punkbot: Confirmed bundle 1KFaXF5JX8V3N1oPtWBXttVZfXn7KCR4fJ | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/1KFaXF5J

02:37:09 assbot: Bundle 1KFaXF5J | #bitcoin-assets deed registry

02:37:30 punkman: meat for punkbot today!

02:37:42 mircea_popescu: that's quintessentially why it's called the hustle. because you fucking hustle. if it were an office job it'd just be, the office job.

02:40:01 punkman: kakobrekla: maybe add link to deeds. on other pages

02:43:07 cazalla: must be a good sign when people are posting unsolicited links to qntra on 4chan http://boards.4chan.org/g/thread/44973425

02:43:07 assbot: /g/ - What bitcoin tumbler do you recommend /g/? I want

02:43:22 punkman: cazalla: ah nice

03:19:01 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/jardin-botanico-carlos-thays-buenos-aires/

03:19:01 assbot: Jardin Botanico Carlos Thays - Buenos Aires pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

03:19:48 mircea_popescu: cazalla well, it's a sign that qntra is used by terrorists.

03:20:53 cazalla: used is ok, as long as it is not written by terrorists

03:21:11 punkman: you sure about that?

03:21:20 mircea_popescu: it's clearly written b y terrorists.

03:21:29 mircea_popescu: you strike terror in the heart of wankstream media

03:21:33 cazalla: Jardin Botanico Carlos Thays <<< this looks photoshopped

03:21:36 mircea_popescu: not to mention wankstream "entrepreneurs"

03:21:43 mircea_popescu: cazalla which one ?

03:22:02 cazalla: first one of course

03:22:19 mircea_popescu: no, it totally read "welcome to the land of the derpy" in the original.

03:27:56 cazalla: sounds like amir really is fucked up on drugs

03:28:21 cazalla: "trying to help Amir, rehabilitate Amir.."

03:32:22 punkman: cazalla: there's a typo missing, Arse News

03:34:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00077853 = 8.486 BTC [-]

03:38:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18250 @ 0.00077883 = 14.2136 BTC [+] {2}

03:42:17 thestringpuller: slow news weekend

03:52:51 mircea_popescu: cazalla seriously, oding is the best thing for the guy.

03:53:06 thestringpuller: http://www.nasa.gov/centers/glenn/technology/warp/warpstat_prt.htm

03:53:11 mircea_popescu: if he's clean he's obnoxiously stupid. at least he could get out, happy ending all around.

03:54:41 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://bitbet.us/bet/859/cardano-to-ship-in-2014/#c4213

03:54:42 assbot: BitBet - Cardano to Ship in 2014 :: 1.08 B (41%) on Yes, 1.53 B (59%) on No | closing in 1 month 3 weeks | weight: 24`933 (100`000 to 1)

03:58:08 cazalla: mircea_popescu, he has a sponsor in cody wilson by the sounds of it, http://qntra.net/2014/11/cody-wilson-the-bitcoin-community-has-sold-out/

03:58:08 assbot: Cody Wilson: "The Bitcoin Community Has Sold Out" | Qntra.net

04:03:42 cazalla: <thestringpuller> slow news weekend <<< yup, i think the article as above are probably good for weekends

04:16:12 mircea_popescu: im trying to remember who the fuck cody is again

04:16:33 mircea_popescu: o, the 3d print your gun guy, innit ?

04:16:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18183 @ 0.00077764 = 14.1398 BTC [-] {3}

04:17:14 mircea_popescu: yeah, he had some real derpage going on, yet another dood thought himself too good for the wot, then his shit went nowhere, then he failed to go "o hey, you know what my problem is ? i fucked up on the wot score! let me fix that".

04:18:05 mircea_popescu: im sure it's something else. "the community sold out", "the aliens hate me", plenty on the stupidlist.

04:20:24 cazalla: 3d gun got australian pollies in a tizzy, some were floating the idea of a licence for 3d printers

04:41:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18183 @ 0.00077681 = 14.1247 BTC [-] {4}

04:43:41 punkman: http://bitbet.us/bet/1046/gold-above-1200-on-november-1st/

04:43:41 assbot: BitBet - Gold above $1200 on November 1st :: 1.07 B (66%) on Yes, 0.54 B (34%) on No | closed 2 weeks 4 hours ago

04:43:43 punkman: such scam

04:43:51 punkman: doesn't even trade on Nov 1

04:46:46 punkman: ;;bc,xau

04:46:48 gribble: 1 XAU = 1174.4 USD = 3.59132748234 BTC

04:47:23 cazalla: sorry but that is hilarious

04:47:50 punkman: yeah I guess, a little lost on me

04:50:54 TheNewDeal: punkman, I think that gold bet was actually structured intelligently

04:51:46 punkman: TheNewDeal: I'd like it more if it said "yes if gold closes at $1200 or more on friday"

04:52:04 TheNewDeal: anyone could have checked the date, right?

04:52:41 punkman: sure

04:53:37 TheNewDeal: I'm not sure if it was an accident, or on purpose. However, if it were on purpose, I applaud the author for a well crafted bet

04:54:17 TheNewDeal: because it read so similar to a lot of those other bets, but like you said, it was basically "gold closes above 1200"

04:56:54 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: "the aliens hate me" << this is a valid excuse when it comes to Klingons no?

05:08:49 punkman: the source code https://github.com/extempore/deedbundler

05:08:50 assbot: extempore/deedbundler · GitHub

06:25:45 thestringpuller: punkman: who can upload deeds? is there an "approved users" list?

06:35:32 TheNewDeal: thought anyone could?

06:37:31 TheNewDeal: .balance

06:37:31 punkbot: TheNewDeal: Balance at 1LAwrWMbPLLSpt7nkD5Jv1Yf4cwPhD98ny is 0.01592 BTC (0.0 unconfirmed), enough for 144 more bundles.

06:37:50 TheNewDeal: .status

06:37:50 punkbot: TheNewDeal: No pending deeds | Last bundle 4 hours and 7 minutes ago

06:47:32 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla btw you ever seen saint john of las vegas ?

06:48:59 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal thestringpuller people in l2. same as voice.

06:49:28 TheNewDeal: satoshi, get in that l2

06:52:06 mircea_popescu: punkman your github alias is... "extempore" ?!

06:52:45 mircea_popescu: do you also have a music band called psykosis or something ?

07:21:45 mircea_popescu: http://oglaf.com/legacy/ << us policy in a cartoonshell

07:21:46 assbot: Legacy

07:21:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9434 @ 0.00077901 = 7.3492 BTC [+]

07:25:44 TheNewDeal: the alt text adds in well

07:25:46 mircea_popescu: !up psychouroboros

07:25:51 mircea_popescu: close enough, i'll take it

07:51:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6200 @ 0.00077216 = 4.7874 BTC [-]

07:53:04 []bot: Bet placed: 7 BTC for No on "Silver price over $23/oz in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/972/ Odds: 9(Y):91(N) by coin, 26(Y):74(N) by weight. Total bet: 10.92196987 BTC. Current weight: 18,987.

08:28:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9050 @ 0.00077216 = 6.988 BTC [-]

08:43:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.00077216 = 4.8646 BTC [-]

09:02:12 gabriel_laddel: anyone here experienced with hacking firefox / conkeror?

09:18:36 bounce: what're you after?

09:18:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9073 @ 0.00077215 = 7.0057 BTC [-] {2}

09:19:16 gabriel_laddel: bounce: I'm looking for a canonical reference for the entire API exposed by mozilla firefox (I realize there are two, JS and the XUL. I'd like both). I'm looking through the firefox extension documentation, but frankly, they're shit (eg, I want to open a new tab, where is the page describing this function call? not anywhere in the search!). If someone familiar with the sources knew of a few files that could be massa

09:19:16 gabriel_laddel: ged into the desired table via regexps, pointers would be greatly appreciated. I'll post the finished output of this somewhere permanent to make it worth your time. I'd like to call these functions while the program is running btw (via mozrepl). The format of the table I would like to generate: http://paste.lisp.org/display/144251/raw

09:20:45 bounce: not short on ambition, aren't you.

09:20:55 gabriel_laddel: heh

09:21:24 gabriel_laddel: bounce: I'm going to do this fucker once and for all and be done with it.

09:21:50 gabriel_laddel: no more fucking with browser versions, just abstract over one version in particular and never again upgrade.

09:22:18 bounce: that's a decade of poorly documented cruft you're looking to wade through

09:22:56 gabriel_laddel: yeah, I know. there must be a table avalible through some hack though, ie the master 'document' javascript object.

09:23:18 gabriel_laddel: in CL this is utterly fucking trivial (apropos "").

09:36:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15300 @ 0.00077715 = 11.8904 BTC [+]

09:53:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7391 @ 0.00077715 = 5.7439 BTC [+]

10:07:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13300 @ 0.00077705 = 10.3348 BTC [-]

10:25:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5876 @ 0.00077769 = 4.5697 BTC [+] {2}

10:53:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20155 @ 0.00077853 = 15.6913 BTC [+]

11:09:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23745 @ 0.00077257 = 18.3447 BTC [-]

11:30:07 pete_dushenski: i live!

11:30:38 pete_dushenski: still out of town, just have a few mins to catch up here

11:32:39 pete_dushenski: thickasthieves: pete modified it << if i had the skillz to do that, we wouldn't need ben_vulpes asciilifeform mod6 and the real foundation ;)

11:33:04 pete_dushenski: all i did was make pankkake's script run on a vps

11:33:20 pete_dushenski: this merely required a few updates to debian rather than the script

11:34:06 pete_dushenski: either way, it does appear that every 5th mircea_popescu comment gets eaten by contravex's spam filter

11:36:15 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: is he like the only b-a jew or something ? << am not! we're all rabbis here, neh?

11:36:39 pete_dushenski: ...with varying degrees of experience

12:03:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22800 @ 0.0007801 = 17.7863 BTC [+] {2}

12:11:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5255 @ 0.00077718 = 4.0841 BTC [-]

12:13:44 pete_dushenski: "So… You judge a society as successful if it has enough money for a vibrant arts scene but not enough to alleviate the effects of poverty? Call me crazy, but I don’t think the first of us started forming this grand experiment I call society just so we can finger-paint together." << lulzy contravex comment o' the day

12:28:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7403 @ 0.00077281 = 5.7211 BTC [-]

12:40:37 punkman: mircea_popescu: do you also have a music band called psykosis or something ? << what's irish thrash metal got to do with me

12:42:12 punkman: mircea_popescu: kakobrekla btw you ever seen saint john of las vegas ? << think I've seen that, what's mp's take on it

12:48:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8164 @ 0.00077178 = 6.3008 BTC [-] {2}

12:49:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6686 @ 0.00076901 = 5.1416 BTC [-]

12:51:28 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: Except who the fuck is in New York? << boring mr. lawlsky ?

13:07:29 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: hmm, anyone taking bets on the name of the chick that informed mr fox as to the intricacies of the russian soul ? << even money on lolita

13:19:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00077415 = 2.3225 BTC [+] {2}

13:25:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22250 @ 0.00077014 = 17.1356 BTC [-] {2}

13:29:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.0007716 = 10.1851 BTC [+]

13:57:50 []bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "BTC >= $2,000 before March" http://bitbet.us/bet/1027/ Odds: 15(Y):85(N) by coin, 16(Y):84(N) by weight. Total bet: 9.85 BTC. Current weight: 56,985.

14:03:24 punkman: .deed http://pastebin.com/CZhGCBnW

14:03:24 assbot: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Deed_title: A small puzzle - Pastebin.com

14:03:24 punkbot: punkman: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle.

14:09:22 []bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "BTC >= $2,000 before March" http://bitbet.us/bet/1027/ Odds: 14(Y):86(N) by coin, 15(Y):85(N) by weight. Total bet: 10.85 BTC. Current weight: 56,981.

14:09:26 []bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to rise above $600 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1055/ Odds: 20(Y):80(N) by coin, 23(Y):77(N) by weight. Total bet: 16.74305289 BTC. Current weight: 33,233.

14:16:26 punkbot: Bundled 1 deed | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/1KxPj5Py

14:16:26 assbot: Bundle 1KxPj5Py | #bitcoin-assets deed registry

14:29:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2310 @ 0.00077213 = 1.7836 BTC [+]

14:48:27 kakobrekla: https://twitter.com/HistoricalPics/status/528743302976532480

14:48:29 assbot: A man browsing for books in Cincinnati's cavernous old main library. The library was demolished in 1955. http://t.co/IcGn02SXCI

15:10:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1856 @ 0.00076901 = 1.4273 BTC [-]

15:46:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9184 @ 0.00076901 = 7.0626 BTC [-]

16:03:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4012 @ 0.00076893 = 3.0849 BTC [-]

16:23:18 xanthyos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdw3OPEk0hQ

16:23:18 assbot: Gaston eats 5-dozen eggs - YouTube

16:39:05 ben_vulpes: the downside to an unlimited buy wall as a consulting shop is the imperative to eat through as much of it as possible in the time allotted

16:41:01 ben_vulpes: what is this weak logsauce

16:41:18 ben_vulpes: i look away for what - a day, two? and you people only rack up 500 lines?

16:47:23 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: aha

16:49:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8554 @ 0.00076893 = 6.5774 BTC [-]

17:07:40 ben_vulpes: <kakobrekla> ... $8500 << currently dealing with something very similar. programmer programs a thing in django, goes to "deploy" it but doesn't know much on the topic beyond "hey heroku's a good host". fast forward four years, heroku bill is now in excees of 300 dollars a month because it's so much easier for people who "just write code" (if plugging the duplo of rails or django into itself can be called such) to click the "yes please

17:07:40 ben_vulpes: terminate ssl for me for 20 dollars a month" button than to...terminate it themselves. on a box they control.

17:08:00 ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> what is the schmuck's name anyway ? << http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=robert+viragh

17:08:01 assbot: 2 results for 'robert viragh' - #bitcoin-assets search

17:08:29 ben_vulpes: this is what we do here, ninjashogun, and all others listening.

17:08:43 ben_vulpes: this is *the* public forum, and we keep *immutable* records of everything.

17:08:53 ben_vulpes: if you show up and make an idiot of yourself, history will show this forever.

17:09:07 ben_vulpes: the only way to change it is to bury it in a sea of "jeez, i guess i was wrong" and subsequent self improvement.

17:09:27 ben_vulpes: you had manifold opportunity to do such and instead doubled down on your idiocy.

17:09:34 ben_vulpes: also

17:09:35 ben_vulpes: you guys

17:09:43 ben_vulpes: i am having the praises of my dick sung to me

17:09:46 ben_vulpes: it is a lovely morning

17:12:57 ben_vulpes: !s jeffrey robinson

17:12:58 assbot: 5 results for 'jeffrey robinson' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=jeffrey+robinson

17:13:07 kakobrekla: lol, so heroku is basically a scam

17:13:43 ben_vulpes: http://www.jeffreyrobinson.com/book-bitcon.html : "He spoke with big players and small players" << i don't recall him ever stopping by

17:13:43 assbot: Jeffrey Robinson, Author & Journalist

17:14:09 ben_vulpes: elegant chumpatron.

17:14:18 kakobrekla: yeah, nice logo.

17:14:26 ben_vulpes: such css.

17:14:37 ben_vulpes: if you know what you want and are willing to pay for it it's lovely.

17:14:45 ben_vulpes: clicky rollbacks of infrastructure

17:14:51 ben_vulpes: clicky rollbacks to yesterday's db

17:15:00 kakobrekla: aha

17:15:29 ben_vulpes: clicky provisioning of solr, mongo, whatever

17:15:38 ben_vulpes: clicky copying of full stacks

17:15:44 ben_vulpes: it's quite elegant.

17:15:49 ben_vulpes: also horrendously expensive.

17:15:59 ben_vulpes: i wrote my own version of it in 2 weeks

17:16:06 ben_vulpes: works entirely differently though

17:16:20 ben_vulpes: json file describing what needs provisioning, and a script to stand it all up on aws.

17:16:32 ben_vulpes: to roll back, check out commit to which you want to roll back and provision a new cluster.

17:16:38 ben_vulpes: idempotent infrastructure!

17:16:43 kakobrekla: cool :)

17:16:58 ben_vulpes: !up Bremsstrahlung2

17:17:27 ben_vulpes: how many argentine pesos in 1/phi bitcoins, Bremsstrahlung2?

17:17:39 kakobrekla: who are you talking to ?

17:17:57 ben_vulpes: log ghosts

17:18:02 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: heroku << paulgrahamian vc chumpatron, iirc

17:18:25 ben_vulpes: more specifically, asciilifeform, american webdev chumpatron.

17:18:29 kakobrekla: is not bad yes

17:18:40 kakobrekla: good chump.

17:19:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15583 @ 0.00077647 = 12.0997 BTC [+] {2}

17:21:49 bounce: so sell your own heroku for a little less?

17:23:20 kakobrekla: first you need chumpatronic designer

17:23:26 kakobrekla: to make ze logo.

17:23:47 ben_vulpes: bounce: it's a custom built thing.

17:23:57 ben_vulpes: designed to be operated by professionals.

17:24:10 ben_vulpes: i might sell licenses of it

17:24:28 ben_vulpes: (or the most recent copy).

17:24:33 ben_vulpes: Vulpes' Hairball.

17:24:34 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3141301464404092@naggum.no.html

17:24:35 assbot: Re: Harlequin was: Re: Is LISP dying? - Naggum cll archive

17:24:43 ben_vulpes: "Deploy your shit. Idempotently."

17:24:51 ben_vulpes: this is not a terribly bad idea.

17:25:19 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: ^ 2nd paragraph specifically

17:27:02 kakobrekla: third one aint bad either

17:27:54 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: is this meant to dissuade me from entering a saturated field?

18:04:07 punkman: nobody wants to mine this deed tx https://blockchain.info/tx/6968268ccd854ca4c3caccab830341ccbc11ce629a7c2462a89103c3e98221c7

18:04:07 assbot: Bitcoin Transaction 6968268ccd854ca4c3caccab830341ccbc11ce629a7c2462a89103c3e98221c7

18:04:44 punkman: do I need to broadcast more aggressively, or do we need to change standard tx to 0.001

18:05:03 mircea_popescu: is it evil in the eyes of the mining goblins ?

18:05:12 mircea_popescu: well, how long has it been waiting ?

18:05:23 punkman: dunno 4 hours or so

18:05:28 mircea_popescu: eh give it a day

18:05:36 mircea_popescu: it's a deed register not a strip club.

18:05:55 punkman: so if I want to make the next bundle, do start making chains of 0confs?

18:07:53 punkman: (from ad on bc.info https://freestateproject.org/blockchain )

18:07:54 assbot: Get Out of Doge! Escape to the Final Frontier | Free State Project

18:07:54 mircea_popescu: "do start making chains of 0confs" << didn't parse

18:08:08 mircea_popescu: lmao jesus.

18:08:10 punkman: yeah let me restate

18:08:23 mircea_popescu: well scams are mostly targetted to the scammed. it's how that game works.

18:08:49 punkman: so if I spend the only unspent tx in the address for a new bundle, previous tx is gonna get dropped right

18:09:33 mircea_popescu: oh

18:10:02 mircea_popescu: yeah it is. you'll have to queue but not broadcast the next tx until this one gets included.

18:10:43 mircea_popescu: this sounds bad but it is acutally good, because it gives us a method to manage the problem. ie, to distinguish between accidental and "we really should increase tx size"

18:11:20 ben_vulpes: doge?

18:11:26 ben_vulpes: dodge.

18:11:30 ben_vulpes: jesus, you people.

18:11:49 ben_vulpes: it's an actual fucking city, you nincompoops.

18:12:09 mircea_popescu: motor city you mean ? :D

18:12:14 punkman: .balance

18:12:15 punkbot: punkman: Balance at 1LAwrWMbPLLSpt7nkD5Jv1Yf4cwPhD98ny is 0.01592 BTC (-0.00011 unconfirmed), enough for 144 more bundles.

18:12:28 mircea_popescu: you can even code it in : when the queue exceeds 24 hours with more than 3 bundles waiting, or 48 with more than 0, increase tx size by 50%

18:13:17 mircea_popescu: 1LAwr. hey punkman did you mine for it or pure chance ?

18:13:37 punkman: picked it out the initial list electrum generated

18:13:48 mircea_popescu: how long was the list ?

18:13:52 punkman: 10 or so

18:14:11 mircea_popescu: pretty impressive.

18:15:31 punkbot: Confirmed bundle 1KxPj5PyuzckgS7iearS7NiBDKeRZvc7VL | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/1KxPj5Py

18:15:32 assbot: Bundle 1KxPj5Py | #bitcoin-assets deed registry

18:15:35 punkman: little puzzle I made: http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/deed/HEvYcqtx

18:15:35 assbot: Deed HEvYcqtx | #bitcoin-assets deed registry

18:15:36 punkman: hah

18:15:46 mircea_popescu: I wonder how many people hit on incredibly improbable but bothersome stuff like 1smallC0K or 1yoMOMMAisHO or 1JeSuSgAy w/e and as a result think bitcoin is evil and gather around the hater sites.

18:15:49 punkman: puzzle deed just confirmed

18:16:40 mircea_popescu: maybe pankkake tried to generate a bitcoin address, itcame out as 1systemdsux and his head explody

18:16:50 punkman: lol so mean

18:17:29 mircea_popescu: who me, mean ?!

18:19:26 punkman: so bot updates trust list every 6 hours, should I make it spit out a message when it gets new keys?

18:19:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8850 @ 0.0007751 = 6.8596 BTC [-]

18:19:40 punkman: (4 since yesterday)

18:20:24 mircea_popescu: yes. in here.

18:21:37 thestringpuller: i don't think the redditards understand the consequences of a hardfork ~_~

18:21:53 thestringpuller: "Yea! This is great idea Gavin, hardfork == good!"

18:23:10 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller a) the notion that a reddit account = a person is rather bizarre. see http://fraudsters.com/2014/spamming-reddit-an-experiment/ by now i'd guess less than 10% are actual people ; b) this is in no way remarkable, they understand nothing of absolutely any other topic they consider, be it politics, sexual relationships or raising snails. this seems to have relatively little impact or importance outside of the

18:23:10 assbot: Spamming reddit, an “experiment”. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

18:23:10 mircea_popescu: ir wankfest bubble.

18:23:57 mircea_popescu: so in short, nonpeople nonunderstanding nontopics. internet 4 winz.

18:25:36 thestringpuller: it's bizarre, but not unsurprising. similar to phenomenon of how people blindly follow what's told to them on Fox News or CNN.

18:25:57 thestringpuller: s/people/lemmings

18:26:34 mircea_popescu: well, "follow". you know ? whether usians believe X topic they have no control or influence over to be a or b, and whether they believe they have a lot or a little control over x topic they have no control over are in the end irrelevant.

18:26:57 mircea_popescu: whether someone thinks the sun comes out for their merits or for their sins is entirely their problem, as it were.

18:28:02 thestringpuller: well these (the redditards) are the same breed of lemmings that truly believe the sun rises in the west if the talking head on tv tells them it does.

18:28:39 mircea_popescu: nah, that's easily disprovable by observation

18:28:51 mircea_popescu: they believe things more akin to "the moon is made of cheeze" and "jews did nyc"

18:29:12 thestringpuller: "nah, that's easily disprovable by observation

18:29:37 thestringpuller: ^- there was a recent post on reddit about a guy who took his girlfriend to the west coast to view the sunrise

18:29:47 mircea_popescu: "elvis lives, feminism matters, we can save africa/the world/other entities that don't care to be saved nor do they care about us", stuff like that.

18:29:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5397 @ 0.0007751 = 4.1832 BTC [-]

18:33:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00077117 = 8.4058 BTC [-]

18:34:43 thestringpuller: http://cointelegraph.com/news/112846/bitbet-fairlay-betmoose-meet-bitcoins-prediction-markets << bitbet makes an appearance

18:41:37 *: mircea_popescu shrug

18:41:46 mircea_popescu: "let

18:41:53 mircea_popescu: eh why even bother. nm.

18:44:23 ben_vulpes: "in 1999, the Mexican-American organization LatinosUSA organized a boycott against Spic and Span because of the use of the word spic,"

18:58:59 mircea_popescu: and c-span organised a boycott against it, because, welll....

18:59:01 mircea_popescu: you guessed it.

18:59:18 mircea_popescu: also, i thought mexicans were tejanos not latinos.

19:05:51 chetty: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/oct/29/fbi-powers-hacking-computers-surveillance

19:05:51 assbot: FBI demands new powers to hack into computers and carry out surveillance | US news | theguardian.com

19:10:43 mircea_popescu: lol

19:16:01 xiando: "We'd just like to make sure we won't get in trouble for what we have already been doing for years down the line" -FBI

19:28:54 ben_vulpes: lady v discovered the model-turned-pilot instagram community: http://instagram.com/p/uO0yVUFbQv/?modal=true

19:28:55 assbot: Instagram

19:30:27 ben_vulpes: http://instagram.com/ameliaroseearhart

19:30:27 assbot: Instagram

19:34:44 mircea_popescu: anyone recall what fluffypony 's blog was ?

19:36:44 mircea_popescu: duh i have an article for this nm. http://blog.spagni.net/

19:36:44 assbot: My Arbitrary Thoughts: Because my opinion matters. Apparently.

19:50:35 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-problem-of-ideal-social-systems-reprint/

19:50:35 assbot: The problem of ideal social systems - reprint pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

20:09:15 ben_vulpes: hey mike_c how much did WoL make this month?

20:09:48 mike_c: mp has the numbers, not sure I should scoop the statement.

20:10:19 ben_vulpes: :/

20:10:58 oglafbot: http://oglaf.com/mirrorimage/

20:10:58 assbot: Mirror Image

20:15:18 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes it's getting published, what's the hgurry ?

20:36:36 jurov: punkbot, deed http://explo.yt/public/fmpif_201410.txt.asc

20:36:36 punkbot: jurov: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle.

20:39:31 BingoBoingo: .deed http://dpaste.com/3127ETZ.txt

20:39:32 punkbot: BingoBoingo: No valid deeds found, try again. (invalid: 1)

20:45:39 mircea_popescu: omg bingoboingo was an impostor!

20:47:08 ben_vulpes: .deed http://therealbitcoin.org/charter-D2D031DA.asc

20:47:08 punkbot: ben_vulpes: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle.

20:47:15 ben_vulpes: sweet.

20:47:38 ben_vulpes: mod6: i'll let you do the honors with yours.

20:48:29 ben_vulpes: .status

20:48:30 punkbot: ben_vulpes: 2 pending deeds | Last bundle 6 hours and 32 minutes ago

20:49:02 thestringpuller: !s grok

20:49:03 assbot: 77 results for 'grok' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=grok

20:49:10 thestringpuller: the word grok needs to be used more

20:49:30 punkbot: Bundled 2 deeds | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/1KcphTS5

20:49:30 assbot: Bundle 1KcphTS5 | #bitcoin-assets deed registry

20:50:16 mircea_popescu: punkman this shiot's pretty cool!

20:52:01 punkbot: Confirmed bundle 1KcphTS5Jh3dWBfXkCmVNnSsJJ5cW8jRi7 | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/1KcphTS5

20:52:02 assbot: Bundle 1KcphTS5 | #bitcoin-assets deed registry

20:52:12 ben_vulpes: dang

20:52:26 ben_vulpes: now i wish that i'd submitted mod6's signature with mine.

20:52:59 ben_vulpes: 'twould have been awesome to have both sigs on the charter in the same deed :(

20:54:28 mircea_popescu: you can still submit it neh ?

20:54:32 mircea_popescu: doesn't have to be YOURS

20:54:32 ben_vulpes: yeah, ofc.

20:54:44 ben_vulpes: but now the bundle's sealed.

20:54:45 mircea_popescu: oh it already went huh.

20:55:08 ben_vulpes: *shrug*

20:55:10 ben_vulpes: lessons, lessons.

20:55:26 mircea_popescu: hey, maybe we name this lesson after you.

20:56:11 ben_vulpes: i will be remembered for derping in public.

20:56:17 ben_vulpes: this is fitting.

20:56:40 mircea_popescu: http://www.misscruelty.com/galleries/em3/party/ << check out the sheer frozen boredom in there.

20:56:40 assbot: The English Mansion - Big femdom party. Some slave serve to Mistresses, some get punished.

20:56:48 mircea_popescu: how the fuck can these people make anything they touch stolid.

21:05:38 mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel: heh <<< i like the guy's specifications skills tho.

21:05:56 mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel: no more fucking with browser versions, just abstract over one version in particular and never again upgrade. <<< this sounds just like...

21:10:46 BingoBoingo: ;;ident

21:10:46 gribble: Nick 'BingoBoingo', with hostmask 'BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo', is identified as user 'BingoBoingo', with GPG key id 309BB8D7F3251143, key fingerprint ADD7A9A28F85E5EF1F51904F309BB8D7F3251143, and bitcoin address None

21:10:50 BingoBoingo: .deed http://dpaste.com/3127ETZ.txt

21:10:51 punkbot: BingoBoingo: No valid deeds found, try again. (invalid: 1)

21:11:47 punkman: hmm

21:12:18 mircea_popescu: http://www.contravex.com/2014/10/20/software-doesnt-fail-socialism-does/#comment-4377 << holy shit ?

21:12:19 assbot: Software Doesn’t Fail. Socialism Does. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski

21:12:36 mircea_popescu: pete is now so on top of things he quotes stuff i published minutes prior.

21:12:38 mircea_popescu: !up mnmx

21:13:30 jurov: r;;ident BingoBoingo

21:13:32 jurov: ;;ident BingoBoingo

21:13:33 gribble: Nick 'BingoBoingo', with hostmask 'BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo', is identified as user 'BingoBoingo', with GPG key id 309BB8D7F3251143, key fingerprint ADD7A9A28F85E5EF1F51904F309BB8D7F3251143, and bitcoin address None

21:14:03 jurov: it says bad signature here, too

21:14:14 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo is this a line end problem ?

21:14:21 BingoBoingo: Maybe?

21:14:31 BingoBoingo: Trying a different editor nao

21:14:52 mircea_popescu: gpg: BAD signature from "BingoBoingo

21:15:22 BingoBoingo: .deed http://dpaste.com/3HEATQA.txt

21:15:22 punkbot: BingoBoingo: No valid deeds found, try again. (invalid: 1)

21:16:15 mircea_popescu: gpg: Good signature Primary key fingerprint: ADD7 A9A2 8F85 E5EF 1F51 904F 309B B8D7 F325 1143

21:16:19 mircea_popescu: you signed with a subkey ?

21:16:39 punkman: should still work

21:16:42 punkman: I think

21:17:00 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski: either way, it does appear that every 5th mircea_popescu comment gets eaten by contravex's spam filter << just happened again lol

21:18:01 mircea_popescu: punkman: saint john of las vegas ? << think I've seen that, what's mp's take on it << i thought it was somewhat similar to dead man. just as totally fucking absurd and meaningless, but not unpleasant neveretheless.

21:18:26 mircea_popescu: mostly because that reanimated corpse of buscemi is a very great weird actor.

21:19:36 punkman: he just finished his tv gig, wonder where he'll pop up next

21:20:24 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: the downside to an unlimited buy wall as a consulting shop is the imperative to eat through as much of it as possible in the time allotted <<< ever seen http://fraudsters.com/2012/cum-iti-negociezi-salariul/ ?

21:20:24 assbot: Cum iti negociezi salariul ? pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

21:20:48 bounce: on the destructive effects of marketing: http://www.theregister.co.uk/Print/2014/11/02/whatever_happened_to_photography/

21:20:48 assbot: Snapper's decisions: Whatever happened to REAL photography? • The Register

21:21:38 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes:... $8500 << ... in excees of 300 dollars a month << you have to understand, 300 a month may well be the threshold of "minimum we'd pay for servers". because it's a tiny sum.

21:21:46 mircea_popescu: 9k not the same, i don't care what the pretense at hand is.

21:22:53 mircea_popescu: "evolutionary path from amateur to professional has been economically closed off by marketing." <<< there isn't going to be a professional photographer anymore than there's going to be a professional dresser.

21:23:01 mircea_popescu: it's become a natural function, it's not going away.

21:23:35 BingoBoingo: .deed http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/mpifclosing.txt

21:23:35 punkbot: BingoBoingo: No valid deeds found, try again. (invalid: 1)

21:23:50 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: granted, 300/mo is a piddling amount.

21:23:51 bounce: that is to misunderstand the point completely

21:24:05 ben_vulpes: but when the codemachine could run just as easily on 60/year...

21:24:07 mircea_popescu: bounce state the point ?

21:25:09 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes depends, maybe the 240 a month goes into creating a relationship with the provider or w/e. at that level, the skill of the manager is much more important than technical considerations. think of it, most embasies cost more than they have to.

21:25:10 jurov: BingoBoingo: if you do gpg --homedir /tmp --recv-keys 309BB8D7F3251143 , does it verify?

21:25:15 bounce: try and read the thing without assuming there won't be a professional photographer. there will be, just like photography didn't kill the painter.

21:25:23 jurov: using that homedir

21:25:26 mircea_popescu: bounce o, it hasn't ?

21:25:41 mircea_popescu: in what way ?

21:26:16 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2012/cum-iti-negociezi-salariul/ << i harbor no illusions that i'm anything but pleb scum, turning cranks for capital

21:26:16 assbot: Cum iti negociezi salariul ? pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

21:26:37 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes point remains, when you have a buy wall you increase the price, rather thna flatten yourself against it.

21:26:53 ben_vulpes: in retrospect though i probably could have negotiated half up front and charged another 25%.

21:26:59 bounce: nope. there's still painters around. shit, the 'web even gave rise to a whole new generation of amateurs and among them do progress to professional

21:27:06 ben_vulpes: i've learned this lesson - again.

21:28:16 mircea_popescu: bounce your argument that "there's still deluded idiots pretending that "painter" is an adequate synonym for "bum" " fails to support your earlier assertion that "photography hasn't killed painting".

21:28:26 mircea_popescu: there are, of course, still prohpets around. doesn't mean religion ain't dead.

21:28:35 ben_vulpes: !up ninjashogun

21:29:21 bounce: you're not making much sense here, sorry.

21:30:11 ninjashogun: !down ninjashogun

21:30:23 mircea_popescu: there can't be a professional painter anymore. the last professional was godward ( http://fraudsters.com/2010/lumea-nu-i-de-ajuns/ srsly). he killed himself, because the world was taken over by marketers

21:30:24 assbot: Lumea nu-i de-ajuns pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

21:30:30 mircea_popescu: specifically, picasso and the rest of the warhol ilk.

21:30:33 mircea_popescu: old story.

21:35:48 mircea_popescu: actually dali should probably get mention as the chief marketing whore rather than those two. makes little difference anyway.

21:37:15 BingoBoingo: .deed http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/mpifclosing.txt.asc

21:37:15 punkbot: BingoBoingo: No valid deeds found, try again. (invalid: 1)

21:38:03 mircea_popescu: gpg: Signature made Sun 02 Nov 2014 11:29:39 PM EET using RSA key ID F3251143

21:38:04 mircea_popescu: gpg: Good signature from "BingoBoingo

21:38:12 mircea_popescu: punkman there's gotta be soemthing the matter owht the bot

21:38:36 BingoBoingo: First deedbot didn't like me either...

21:39:08 kakobrekla: i found the problem in hte source

21:39:15 bounce: a quick search and I run into literally dozens of artists taking comissions, so not buying it, sorry.

21:39:24 kakobrekla: if bingo then go fuck yourself < problem

21:39:51 assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1VG2CJH.txt )

21:39:51 BingoBoingo: !b 3

21:40:07 mircea_popescu: bounce why do you think "people calling themselves artists and asking for money" is an argument ?

21:40:18 mircea_popescu: i can find even more astrologers taking comissions, does this mean astrology is alive and well ?

21:40:32 bounce: similarly, plenty people snapshotting and not producing anything good, yet there's still a few who manage to produce decent photographs.

21:40:46 mircea_popescu: heck, i can probably find people soliciting to protect the us from alien invasion.

21:41:02 bounce: has astrology declined in influence?

21:41:13 mircea_popescu: what's your measure of influence ?

21:41:19 mircea_popescu: it has exactly no influence as i measure it.

21:41:36 bounce: so it was never important to you

21:41:47 mircea_popescu: no, no. it was never important, as i measure it.

21:41:52 mircea_popescu: that's not "to me".

21:42:39 mircea_popescu: chick goes to mp's great-granddad in 1514 "hey, this chick is born in so and so sign, marry her!" mp's granddad "hm, that;s an idea"

21:42:57 mircea_popescu: chick comes to me, "hey, this chick is born in so and so sign, marry her" i'm "leave here and never speak to me again"

21:43:44 bounce: that's only four generations, to span 500 years. I'm impressed.

21:43:54 mircea_popescu: i suppose since nancy reagan was hiring court astrologers the argument can be brought that the colonies were slower on the uptake, but be that as it may...

21:44:15 mircea_popescu: bacon killed astrology pretty much.

21:47:03 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: astrology is alive and well - under new brands (e.g., 'economics')

21:47:14 mircea_popescu: bounce anyway, to summarize : the discussion as to whether a profession is doing ok or not, or even is still alive, can not rely on a discussion on they who call themselves followers.

21:47:24 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it cannot die for so long as so-called decision makers want their 'responsibility sink' mechanism.

21:47:55 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but a claim is not a fact.

21:48:39 asciilifeform: claim is not a fact << when talking about a scam, the claim is the fact (that is, the fact of the scam being set up as such or other)

21:49:28 mircea_popescu: but i thought we were talking about the fact.

21:49:28 asciilifeform: 'responsibility sink' is simply my shorthand for any apparatus which lets you 'make a decision' without putting your arse on the line as decision-maker.

21:50:18 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes yes, all the benefits of being a prince in terms of the harem girls' awe, none of the risks in terms of the other dudes beheading you. i know all about the mental processes supporting adolescent frottage

21:50:26 asciilifeform: this, afaik, goes back maxint years.

21:50:36 bounce: there's a market for hand-painted portraits just as there is a market for professionally-done photographs. the argument re the latter is that the marketeering is busily making the required machinery unaffordable. my point was the mechanism at work.

21:50:49 mircea_popescu: not so many. just as many as poorly managed youth existed. it's a lengthy history full of gaps.

21:51:33 mircea_popescu: bounce what is this market for "professionally done photographs", wherein the definition of "professionally" is coherent with pre-digital photography ?

21:51:34 bounce: "policy driven fact finding" (see david nutt's firing)

21:51:48 bounce: who says pre-digital?

21:51:52 mircea_popescu: you.

21:51:55 bounce: no,

21:52:06 mircea_popescu: then yes, there's a market for marketing-approved photography.

21:52:08 asciilifeform: re: photographers: situation is rather like bulldozer operators. machine costing half of a plebe's yearly pay. you rent it, and it happens to come with operator who is mostly certain not to break it, and knows approximately which knobs to turn to dig the ditch, err, snap the photo.

21:52:13 mircea_popescu: to argue that marketing is doing this in is absurd.

21:53:47 bounce: hmhm yet it's doing it, as a side effect of its market research and segmentation science.

21:54:05 jurov: your argumetn feels to me like saying since homosexuality is marketing-trending there are no real fags anymore

21:54:08 mircea_popescu: but by definition it can not. whatever it comes up with is actually the marketing-approved photography and all is well.

21:54:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26733 @ 0.0007707 = 20.6031 BTC [-] {2}

21:54:27 mircea_popescu: jurov i bring as proof the difficulty real fags have in dating.

21:54:49 jurov: that's another thing. does not mean the real ones died out

21:55:09 jurov: professional photographers must have difficulty finding their ilk, too

21:55:14 mircea_popescu: might mean that, actually.

21:57:29 mircea_popescu: bounce anyway, so stated our dispute boils down to me saying that it is upon you either to present an outside criteria or else yield. (which is why i assumed your criteria is presented, and summarized it as "pre digital"). my point generally is that you can't present any meaningful criteria anyway.

21:57:46 mircea_popescu: so, no, it's no longer a profession. it's dead as its own thing, no matter who does what to whom.

21:58:45 mircea_popescu: it wasn't so dead at some point in 1920, of course, but that only to us. i'm sure in 1920 some similar dispute raged, either about draughstmanship or some other sort of engraving.

21:58:51 mircea_popescu: professions die all the damned time.

21:58:58 asciilifeform: there is another 'secret' - and that is, that most folks who actually need 40+MP photographs in real life - astronomers, spies, biologists, weirdos like yours truly, etc. - own and operate own hardware. and don't actually need photographers.

21:59:31 mircea_popescu: nor are they professional.

21:59:59 mircea_popescu: just like the plumber using silicone curing isn't a silicone professional in any sense.

22:00:08 bounce: "criteria" is plural, by the by. my takeaway is that I'm running into a bunch of preconceptions that make the discussion quite meaningless, so I'll yield while disagreeing.

22:00:13 asciilifeform: aha.

22:00:22 mircea_popescu: bounce i'd much prefer you taking them apart.

22:00:34 mircea_popescu: the more violently the better, as a general rule.

22:01:22 *: mircea_popescu has a penchant for watching notions dieing a grizzly death in the field.

22:02:25 jurov: then...does any distiguished profession exist anymore?

22:02:41 asciilifeform: sometimes the death of a profession is not all smiles. i once saw a rant lamenting the invention of LaTeX as a terrible calamity for mathematics. argument was that, whereas it was once possible for mathematicians (and physicists) to remain entirely innocent of typograpy and its brute labours, now the typographers gave up and went home. and now you (maths folks) also are stuck being typographers - and generally, no

22:02:57 mircea_popescu: jurov writing still does im pretty sure.

22:03:35 asciilifeform: ... typographers - and generally, not particularly good ones.

22:03:37 mircea_popescu: generally the computer revolution has killed the outskirts and "empowered" the pure forms.

22:03:47 mircea_popescu: stans' being a fine example

22:04:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00077043 = 4.1603 BTC [-]

22:04:32 asciilifeform: pure forms?

22:05:03 mircea_popescu: yeah. pure forms. writing, words or numbers. but not drawing, either.

22:05:15 mircea_popescu: afore the computer each sort of drawing was its own profession, with its own tools.

22:05:28 mircea_popescu: today you just look for a fucking excel plugin

22:06:32 *: bounce always somewhat disliked TeX-typeset material. computer modern isn't a great look, even though each letter is shaped by whatwasit 60-odd parameters.

22:06:49 thestringpuller: ;;ticker

22:06:50 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 324.62, Best ask: 325.49, Bid-ask spread: 0.87000, Last trade: 325.47, 24 hour volume: 7928.02364239, 24 hour low: 318.24, 24 hour high: 329.0, 24 hour vwap: 323.561623927

22:06:51 mircea_popescu: the "profession" of photography is not evolving towards going back to film cameras. it's evolving towards drone cameras. they find the right spot on their own, fly around, take a bunch of photos for you etc.

22:06:56 jurov: bounce i just did /font {times}

22:06:59 jurov: or sth like

22:07:00 asciilifeform: thing is, nobody forces you to use the default '80s crud font/layout

22:07:44 asciilifeform: but that is what the fate is of people herded into using the tool against their will - defaults everywhere and always.

22:08:07 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform conversely, the fault of people who think they can so misapply their will.

22:08:28 mircea_popescu: "really honey, you wanna fuck but don't wanna suck ? oh, and this is up to you, is it ? stfu and swallow it!"

22:09:13 bounce: nah, that's remolding the argument in a clash of wills when availability makes lazy. different mechanism.

22:09:39 bounce: people writing emails in word, or stuffing anything remotely looking like a table in excel, "because it's there"

22:09:40 mircea_popescu: "Medium format system cameras also have interchangeable backs, so you can switch between monochrome, colour and Polaroid film in seconds. In due course, you would switch to a digital sensor and leave it there." << here.

22:09:44 mircea_popescu: say what you will, there it is.

22:10:27 asciilifeform: don't miss the part where he described camera vendors waging war against their customers.

22:10:46 mircea_popescu: what vendor ever hasn't ?

22:11:12 mircea_popescu: guy in bar "i wanna piss on the ceiling" bartender "stfu and piss in the toilet, a toilet should be enough for all the pissing"

22:14:23 bounce: http://torrentfreak.com/disney-patents-piracy-free-search-engine-141029/ << "you must filter pirate stuff!" 'okay' "also you owe us royalties now" -- there's mustabeen a joke in here somewhere but it got stolen

22:14:23 assbot: Disney Patents a Piracy Free Search Engine | TorrentFreak

22:14:41 bounce: s/'s//

22:14:57 mircea_popescu: lawl wut

22:15:12 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo http://torrentfreak.com/disney-patents-piracy-free-search-engine-141029/ << i submit this is of qntra interest

22:15:12 assbot: Disney Patents a Piracy Free Search Engine | TorrentFreak

22:16:09 mircea_popescu: "because Disney.go.com is the official domain for The Walt Disney Company." << i have nfi how to put into words the idiocy of this

22:16:20 mircea_popescu: at least if they had made it .co.uk it'd have been complete.

22:16:58 mircea_popescu: anyway, the open secret here is that google for many years has no longer used computers to compile its list, but merely links wikipedia facebook and some other friends to the top by default.

22:17:13 mircea_popescu: disney is butthurt that it doesn't make that list, but it definitely never will.

22:17:16 jurov: disney.co.ck

22:17:49 bounce: disney does own go.com though

22:18:02 mircea_popescu: that's a poor palliative.

22:19:11 mircea_popescu: "Digital photography today is another victim of the dead hand of marketing, where short term gain overrides any other concern. Broadly speaking, marketing has created two types of camera. There are those with small chips that are cheap ? increasingly incorporated into a cell phone ? have a rubbish lens, need no skill to operate and therefore teach the user nothing. And then there are those cameras with big chips th

22:19:11 mircea_popescu: at are so expensive that even professionals cringe. It?s like owning a jumbo jet: you can?t afford not to fly it, hence the constant references to workflow in the marketing. Alas, in between these two types we find the equivalent of a valence band or forbidden zone." << this has nothing to do with marketing.

22:19:34 mircea_popescu: this is absolutely the rule of the world. why do you think there's monkeys and humans, and nothing in between ? author ever heard of punctuated equilibrium ?

22:19:55 mircea_popescu: this is how things naturally evolve, and it also happens to be the right way.

22:21:09 mircea_popescu: computers have worked exactly that same way, too. there's people who cli and then there's the hopeless horde looking for the any key. there's nothing in between, nor should there be, and kids learning to "program for the web" aren't ever going to become professionals.

22:21:49 mircea_popescu: money works the same way, there's us and there's reddit, and there's no real path for the redditard to get in the wot. sure, he could, but as the article says, "The small chip camera owner cannot cross the forbidden zone for 30 BTC reasons, and even if he did, he wouldn?t have the necessary skills."

22:25:53 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Just dug up the filing. Working on a write up.

22:26:12 mircea_popescu: le cool.

22:28:08 BingoBoingo: Reasonably deturdified filing offered by google https://www.google.com/patents/US20120066203?dq=intitle:Online+intitle:Content+intitle:Ranking+intitle:System+intitle:based+intitle:on+intitle:Authenticity&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Ja5WVNHMFoOxyATqwIKoDA&ved=0CB8Q6AEwAA

22:28:09 assbot: Patent US20120066203 - Online content ranking system based on authenticity metric values for web ... - Google Patents

22:28:25 mircea_popescu: lol the irony of this...

22:28:57 BingoBoingo: I know.

22:29:05 BingoBoingo: Sweet irony

22:29:14 PeterL: for deedbot, if you have multiple deeds waiting for confirmation, could you combine the transactions into a single bitcoin transaction?

22:29:25 mircea_popescu: that's how it works.

22:29:47 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: the only way to change it is to bury it in a sea of "jeez, i guess i was wrong" and subsequent self improvement. << a good point.

22:30:26 PeterL: I know they get bundled, but it sounds like you have to wait for one bundle's bitcoin transaction to confirm before sending the next transaction?

22:31:27 mircea_popescu: assbot: Jeffrey Robinson, Author & Journalist << oh he's the clueless idiot with yet another "bitcoin book" that's neither a book nor about bitcoin.

22:31:31 mircea_popescu: scammers these days...

22:31:41 mircea_popescu: PeterL ah that, yeah.

22:31:54 mircea_popescu: the reason is that once you broadcast a tx, you no longer have control of it.

22:32:15 mircea_popescu: if you bundle its contents with later material you have constructed two competing txn, one of which will be introduced.

22:32:52 PeterL: yeah, so once you send the first transaction you have to let it be, but could bundles 2 and 3 be put on a single bitcoin transaction once 1 confirms?

22:33:21 mircea_popescu: prolly.

22:33:31 mircea_popescu: i don't think it makes a bundle 3.

22:34:02 PeterL: ah, so it keeps adding to bundle 2 until bundle 1 confirms?

22:34:12 punkman: yeah

22:34:19 PeterL: ok, nevermind then

22:34:19 punkman: up to 64

22:34:37 PeterL: 64 what, deeds per bundle?

22:35:27 mircea_popescu: !up orkaa

22:35:38 mircea_popescu: punkman how do you broadcast currently ?

22:36:22 punkman: mircea_popescu: through electrum

22:36:38 mircea_popescu: then let it be, dubious adding more complexity will do anything.

22:37:02 punkman: yeah let's see if it works for more than 2 days this time

22:37:21 mircea_popescu: in other news, bows! http://40.media.tumblr.com/1f635ded3ac4213e26a41ba327906f60/tumblr_n66lvnMpkd1sajoh5o1_500.jpg

22:42:02 *: jurov did double take "no it's not porcelain"

22:42:36 mircea_popescu: :)

22:49:44 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla http://fraudsters.com/2014/bitbet-sbbet-october-2014-statement/

22:49:44 assbot: BitBet (S.BBET) October 2014 Statement pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

22:53:41 mircea_popescu: http://33.media.tumblr.com/02482ca023c5894b4d1d3cdf7f545300/tumblr_n8y2t9xTfN1tzuecno1_500.gif <<< aaaaaaaaand the reciprocating engine.

22:54:21 hanbot: lol

23:09:41 punkman: .deed http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/mpifclosing.txt.asc

23:09:41 punkbot: punkman: No valid deeds found, try again. (untrusted: 1)

23:20:39 []bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin $817 or above before Christmas" http://bitbet.us/bet/1043/ Odds: 17(Y):83(N) by coin, 19(Y):81(N) by weight. Total bet: 8.66076514 BTC. Current weight: 49,528.

23:30:30 punkman: BingoBoingo: apparently you are BingoBoingo in one database and bingoboingo in the other

23:36:52 punkman: nanotube: shouldn't names match between GPG.db and RatingSystem.db?

23:37:48 mircea_popescu: punkman what happens should one try to register mirceA_Popescu ?

23:38:03 punkman: dun think that'll work

23:38:51 punkman: current trust list: http://dpaste.com/3WM49E7#wrap

23:38:52 assbot: dpaste: 3WM49E7

23:40:14 thestringpuller: punkman: they might be out of sync

23:40:56 joecool: wat is this list and why am I on it?

23:41:15 punkman: ;;gettrust assbot joecool

23:41:15 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask joecool!~joecool@no-sources/joecool. Trust relationship from user assbot to user joecool: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=joecool | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=joecool | Rated since: Thu Apr 28 14:23:15 2011

23:41:33 nanotube: punkman: they should match plus or minus capitalization, at least.

23:42:07 joecool: oh hey nano, been forever how are you?

23:42:26 mircea_popescu: !s joecool

23:42:27 assbot: 1080 results for 'joecool' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=joecool

23:42:29 bounce: probably should follow irc nick equivalency rules, no?

23:42:33 mircea_popescu: you're on all sorts of lists :D

23:43:41 joecool: mircea_popescu: good to know, still popular I guess

23:44:24 punkman: nanotube: any chance I could get current irc hostmask via http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewgpg.php?nick=punkman&outformat=json ?

23:46:30 mircea_popescu: http://www.reddit.com/r/BasicIncome/ << reddit at its best : libertard/socialist astroturfing.

23:46:31 assbot: The Basic Income Community on Reddit

23:47:31 joecool: because /r/welfare got banned

23:48:07 thestringpuller: "what if instead of using that money for my needs I just stay at bobs house and buy the heroin while he pays for the house and we pool for food"

23:48:50 mircea_popescu: "Could someone point me to any good arguments AGAINST basic income?"

23:49:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00077232 = 4.5567 BTC [+]

23:49:03 mircea_popescu: because "fuck you" is apparently not good enough now o.O

23:49:48 thestringpuller: joecool: why did /r/welfare get banned?

23:50:04 thestringpuller: also i've always been meaning to ask this. is your name a reference to snoopy?

23:50:38 mircea_popescu: "Yes, but that's a common problem with ANY "socialist" measure to help workers, whether it be minimum wage or full blown communism, or anything in between. Global capitalism is a race to the bottom. If we keep playing that game, I see nothing but a dystopian future of neofuedalism and a regression to gilded age economic policies."

23:50:41 joecool: i really don't know what my name is a reference to, i've been using it so long now it just stuck

23:50:43 mircea_popescu: check it out, schmuckland gets it :D

23:50:47 asciilifeform: dafuq is 'basic income' ?

23:50:48 mircea_popescu: of fucking course.

23:50:53 joecool: and no clue on why it got banned, it just is

23:50:56 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "get money to pay for anything you might want for free"

23:51:15 asciilifeform: and what happens to price?

23:51:27 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you don't understand how the idiots work,.

23:52:24 asciilifeform: i often wonder what take #2 would be like, if they understood what happens to price (e.g., usa with credit and 'college loans', etc)

23:53:30 punkman: .status

23:53:32 punkbot: punkman: No pending deeds | Last bundle 3 hours and 4 minutes ago

23:53:47 punkman: .deed http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/mpifclosing.txt.asc

23:53:49 punkbot: punkman: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle.

23:53:58 asciilifeform: the idiots << nuance here. if i have soldering iron up my arse, i might utter something more than the 'moo' of a cow that has soldering iron up her arse. but the fact remains that having hot iron up arse - is not pleasant.

23:54:10 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what would the 2nd step be of a broom processing a program, if the broom were capable of processing programs ?

23:54:29 asciilifeform: likewise, both idiot and normal person understand that something evil is at work underneath the cost of modern life being what it is re: the bezzle.

23:54:38 mircea_popescu: perhaps.

23:56:51 asciilifeform: and know that the idiot is emboldened by the fact of the non-idiot not having any more effective, immediately, an answer than he.

23:58:21 mircea_popescu: ;;google cocksure full of doubt

23:58:22 gribble: The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the ...: http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/b/bertrandru101364.html; Stupidity - Wikiquote: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Stupidity; Bertrand Russell - Positive Atheism: http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/quotes/russell.htm

23:58:38 asciilifeform: aha.

23:59:23 mircea_popescu: idiot's always felt emboldened by his purely political, stupideological decision that the effective, immediate answer of the intelligent "don't exist".

23:59:30 mircea_popescu: why should he get in the wot ? shit's hard yo.

23:59:57 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/12869197792.gif