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00:01:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 8 @ 0.020005 = 0.16 BTC [-] {4}

00:01:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.05 = 0.15 BTC [+]

00:12:36 KRS1: hah https://zerogox.com

00:18:45 twizt: no bullshit

00:18:47 twizt: lol

00:18:53 twizt: prolly lotta bullshit

00:28:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 34 @ 0.00345 = 0.1173 BTC [+]

00:29:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.34 BTC [-]

00:57:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6350 @ 0.00090778 = 5.7644 BTC [-] {2}

00:57:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.34625 = 1.385 BTC [+] {4}

01:29:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 400 @ 0.001 = 0.4 BTC

01:31:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23362 @ 0.00090942 = 21.2459 BTC [+] {2}

01:49:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00090732 = 10.9786 BTC [-] {2}

01:52:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00090695 = 7.8905 BTC [-] {2}

01:56:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6963 @ 0.00090656 = 6.3124 BTC [-] {2}

02:05:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.05 = 0.55 BTC [+]

02:11:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10000 @ 0.0000989 = 0.989 BTC [-]

02:12:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.05 = 0.45 BTC [+]

02:13:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 8421 @ 0.00009899 = 0.8336 BTC [+]

02:19:21 jborkl: http://newsfeed.time.com/2014/01/02/kanye-west-now-has-his-own-cryptocurrency-and-its-called-coinye-west/

02:19:21 ozbot: Kanye West Cryptocurrency Coinye West Like Bitcoin | TIME.com

02:19:35 jborkl: :(

02:21:48 TomServo: Wasn't a bet on this topic being discussed just a few hours ago?

02:23:51 TomServo: jurov | aka "either kanye west or justin bieber will start altcoinz"

02:23:57 TomServo: oh man. that's too good.

02:25:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7684 @ 0.00090666 = 6.9668 BTC [+]

02:27:06 mircea_popescu: of course... there's absolutely no relation between the two

02:33:27 asciilifeform: big fat prize (from the god of war, not from yours truly) to the first fellow who gets idiots to run a trojaned trading bot.

02:33:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7550 @ 0.0009063 = 6.8426 BTC [-]

02:33:38 asciilifeform: (re: 'zerogox')

02:40:42 mircea_popescu: im sure this must have already happened

02:41:14 mircea_popescu: all the "magic trading profits bot" stuff on the forum going on for 1+ years by now ? there's no way it hasn't.

02:45:09 KRS1: zerogox.com ...seems legit

02:45:36 KRS1: where do i sign up

02:45:55 KRS1: ;;lasers

02:45:55 gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*

02:46:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00090889 = 10.4522 BTC [+] {2}

02:47:17 KRS1: *sniff* Cartier cologne reminds me of lemons

02:47:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.05 = 0.45 BTC [+]

02:49:24 testingUnoDosTre: How many BTC can I get for a snickers?

02:50:34 mircea_popescu: testingUnoDosTre wrong year.

02:51:23 testingUnoDosTre: femtoBTC?

02:52:31 testingUnoDosTre: mircea, I did not expect you to be alive in this thread, being my first time here

02:53:24 assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1534397/plain/)

02:53:24 kakobrekla: !b 1

02:57:06 testingUnoDosTre: scratch that thought, I was sent here from your twitter page

02:57:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00090596 = 12.5022 BTC [-] {5}

03:01:12 kakobrekla: there is no ctrl-z on irc

03:01:14 mircea_popescu: testingUnoDosTre a, you the reddit guy ?

03:02:08 kakobrekla: unlike forums, twitters, facebooks and skypes

03:03:26 testingUnoDosTre: No, I try to stay far away from reddit. Used to frequent battle.net though

03:04:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 19 @ 0.05 = 0.95 BTC [+]

03:04:09 mircea_popescu: that's interesting. anyway, welcome. there's about 1mn btc represented here, tho most people are not nearly as verbose as me.

03:04:33 mircea_popescu: your essential reading, other than the channel log, is modestly http://fraudsters.com/category/bitcoin/ and perhaps http://fraudsters.com/category/mpex/

03:05:10 testingUnoDosTre: Yes, your websites are far greater reads than the bitcointalk subforums

03:07:22 mircea_popescu: i should hope so :D

03:07:37 Duffer1: reading bitcointalk is a lot like digging for gold in a sewer

03:08:16 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lame bots that merely lift wallets don't count

03:08:32 asciilifeform: gotta bomb the market, induce oscillatory panics, other fun.

03:08:47 kakobrekla: <asciilifeform> big fat prize (from the god of war, not from yours truly) to the first fellow who gets idiots to run a trojaned trading bot.

03:08:48 kakobrekla: this?

03:08:53 kakobrekla: must be extra easy

03:08:53 asciilifeform: right

03:09:14 the20year1: Concerning most assets on mpex, what's the average issuer equity in the stock?

03:09:49 mircea_popescu: yeah, right, because bitcoin is so fragile one man and his genius can fuck it all up.

03:09:57 mircea_popescu: wrong year all over again

03:10:19 asciilifeform: no need to fuck it all up, any more than one nuke needs to demolish a whole planet to be worth setting off...

03:10:40 testingUnoDosTre: I would love to see some of the originally mined bitcoins moved around, just to see some reaction by the market.

03:11:10 the20year1: Why do you think there would be reactioon?

03:11:23 kakobrekla: there was a huge spike in bitcoin days destroyed

03:11:26 kakobrekla: couple of days ago

03:11:29 kakobrekla: maybe a week?

03:11:34 asciilifeform: testingUnoDosTre: there was a rumory mubling that a few 100K of circa-2010 (?) coins moved, but no one linked to hard data.

03:11:37 kakobrekla: and guess what, we are still here

03:11:50 testingUnoDosTre: Isn't there about 1 million coins in some of the original accounts?

03:12:08 the20year1: It's around there

03:12:10 mircea_popescu: a little under that

03:12:11 testingUnoDosTre: or sum*

03:12:24 the20year1: there's half a million coins in accounts from 2009 that are from early miners, no movement

03:12:29 kakobrekla: i guess about same amount is alo lost.

03:12:31 kakobrekla: also

03:12:39 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla wasn't that the reddit guru what's his name, fantomas or something doing a max keiser ?

03:12:41 asciilifeform: traditional belief seems to be that 'they lost their hdd'

03:12:45 the20year1: only 50% of all created bitcoins have moved

03:12:55 the20year1: I wish I lost my HD in 2010, instead I got hacked

03:12:57 kakobrekla: mircea_popescu i dont have any info on that

03:13:07 testingUnoDosTre: and what's the total US federal government ownership, 150k?

03:13:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 185 @ 0.0029827 = 0.5518 BTC [+] {3}

03:13:23 mircea_popescu: testingUnoDosTre a little over that by now

03:13:40 asciilifeform: not counting der fuhrer's miners?

03:14:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 35000 @ 0.001 = 35 BTC

03:14:56 testingUnoDosTre: that will probably go down as the most profitable asset ever seized by the US govt

03:15:09 asciilifeform: i'll break out some evil rumor right here now:

03:15:35 asciilifeform: there are tor exits silently pumping ascii through 'sed' or the like, slipping 'friendly' btc addrs in place of originals.

03:15:51 asciilifeform: not naming names.

03:16:06 asciilifeform: take it with a grain of whatever.

03:17:05 kakobrekla: yeah, well there was a desktop version of such malware which would replace the address once you put one valid in clipboard

03:17:41 asciilifeform: people using winblows and btc together should also smoke at petrol pumps

03:18:30 kakobrekla: i have tiny unencrypted wallet on my win laptop.

03:18:42 kakobrekla: i bet its the first to go in case of shit.

03:18:46 mircea_popescu: no they shouldn't.

03:18:51 mircea_popescu: you have any idea what a pump costs ?

03:19:00 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: point

03:19:11 mircea_popescu: let them buy their own propane canisters or w/e

03:19:17 mircea_popescu: and go camping

03:19:28 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: 'if (total < 1.0) exit(0)'

03:19:44 kakobrekla: its more than 1 and less than 10

03:19:49 kakobrekla: but yeah

03:19:54 the20year1: I wish i would have known the valnerabilities of the bitcoin client and XP when I first got interested in btc

03:20:01 kakobrekla: i know what you are saying

03:20:10 kakobrekla: but who will turn down the change

03:20:16 kakobrekla: in reality, noone

03:20:26 kakobrekla: except the change that is hard to get off

03:20:31 kakobrekla: because of tx fees

03:20:46 kakobrekla: [this happpend before]

03:23:05 asciilifeform: this is why i don't really have any ill-will for crapware artists. they should be seen as educators.

03:23:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8134 @ 0.00090573 = 7.3672 BTC [-] {2}

03:26:47 testingUnoDosTre: you're saying its much more hard to keep btc safe on windows?

03:29:59 kakobrekla: windows is like open lobby

03:30:36 kakobrekla: if they are safe there, there is a good chance they are safe elsewhere :)

03:32:29 testingUnoDosTre: you lost my on open lobby, is that some xbox reference?

03:33:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.001 = 1 BTC

03:35:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 119 @ 0.00298886 = 0.3557 BTC [+] {3}

03:38:30 testingUnoDosTre: couldn't I be just as damaging on linux while dealing btc as with windows?

03:38:50 kakobrekla: you? maybe. me? no.

03:39:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 385 @ 0.001 = 0.385 BTC

03:39:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.353999 BTC [+]

03:42:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.00090715 = 5.1708 BTC [+]

03:46:12 mod6: (19:17) < asciilifeform> people using winblows and btc together should also smoke at petrol pumps << lol

03:49:44 kakobrekla: you know

03:49:58 kakobrekla: smoking at petrol pump is not as dangerous as it sounds

03:53:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22402 @ 0.00090743 = 20.3282 BTC [+] {4}

04:00:43 testingUnoDosTre: mircea, can you expound on your Marie Antoinette post

04:01:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00091001 = 12.5581 BTC [+] {3}

04:03:42 mircea_popescu: um

04:04:02 mircea_popescu: what's to expound

04:04:17 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you seen those "try and light this gasoline with this ciggarete" things ?

04:05:01 kakobrekla: well dunno what i saw, i just know its not really easy

04:05:18 kakobrekla: besides, theres no bangs coming from bosnia, serbia ...

04:05:33 kakobrekla: and they do have petrol stations there, i know that for a fact.

04:07:28 testingUnoDosTre: Well at first, it touches on social revolutions in a negative light.Then the article seems to talk about revolution of self towards the end

04:08:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 21 @ 0.02188996 = 0.4597 BTC [+]

04:09:37 Duffer1: i think the point was 'kill yourself because nothing you do matters'

04:09:49 Duffer1: at least, that's what i took from it

04:10:16 Duffer1: don't read too much into it man :P

04:10:36 kakobrekla: yeah, or you will end up smoking ciggs on petrol stations.

04:11:01 Duffer1: or wishing you were a lone young chick on a train...

04:12:31 testingUnoDosTre: we only have petrol-corn stations in the US now

04:12:52 kakobrekla: so you end up with a lot of popcorn if the thing goes bang?

04:13:04 testingUnoDosTre: yummy

04:14:55 the20year1: not all stations are gas-corn

04:18:04 testingUnoDosTre: you must not live in the Midwest?

04:20:28 the20year1: I do , i was assuming you were talking about e85 stations

04:23:07 testingUnoDosTre: No, I thought that everyone was slipping in under 10% lately

04:23:18 testingUnoDosTre: could definitely be wrong though

04:26:00 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla it;s true that gasoline as a liquid will not catch on fire

04:26:10 mircea_popescu: but happily extinguish your ciggarette, like water.

04:26:14 mircea_popescu: as a vapor however...

04:26:15 kakobrekla: yep

04:26:29 kakobrekla: but as vapor you need the right mixture

04:26:46 kakobrekla: also im not sure if a lit cigg will do for vapor

04:26:47 mircea_popescu: to explode. it will burn at pretty much any concentration

04:26:53 kakobrekla: i think you need open light

04:27:01 mircea_popescu: arguably some combos are not too visible

04:28:55 mircea_popescu: testingUnoDosTre it's a film. you seen it ?

04:29:36 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla well... if panacea ever goes negative you can do some experiments :D

04:30:51 testingUnoDosTre: I thought the post was touching more on history than the movie. I did understand that it was a film, but no I have not seen it.

04:33:09 mircea_popescu: try it sometime. the missus will love you for it.

04:47:43 kakobrekla: mircea_popescu im sure there will be negative months, but i would dissolve way before negative nav

04:47:58 kakobrekla: so i think someone else will have to to the experiments

04:48:11 kakobrekla: perhaps write to alberto armandi

04:48:36 kakobrekla: and LEAVE MY ALBERTO ALONE

04:50:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.35399597 = 1.77 BTC [-] {4}

04:50:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4550 @ 0.00090509 = 4.1182 BTC [-]

04:51:13 mircea_popescu: lol

04:52:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 196 @ 0.0029889 = 0.5858 BTC [+]

04:59:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 48 @ 0.00298952 = 0.1435 BTC [+] {2}

05:14:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 260 @ 0.001 = 0.26 BTC

05:23:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7750 @ 0.00090536 = 7.0165 BTC [+]

05:24:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30430 @ 0.00091137 = 27.733 BTC [+] {5}

05:26:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.00091488 = 14.0892 BTC [+] {2}

05:31:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15186 @ 0.0009093 = 13.8086 BTC [-] {2}

05:34:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.354 BTC [+]

06:07:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1900 @ 0.001 = 1.9 BTC

06:16:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00090509 = 4.1634 BTC [-]

06:26:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.00090882 = 1.7268 BTC [+]

06:31:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 4000 @ 0.001 = 4 BTC

06:41:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3080 @ 0.00090882 = 2.7992 BTC [+]

06:45:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 4000 @ 0.001 = 4 BTC

06:49:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00090953 = 8.3677 BTC [+]

07:00:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17350 @ 0.00091294 = 15.8395 BTC [+]

07:19:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 7 @ 0.09351428 = 0.6546 BTC [+] {2}

07:20:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 13 @ 0.10261144 = 1.3339 BTC [+] {6}

07:21:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.12 BTC [+]

07:22:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.132 BTC [+]

07:38:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.35399999 BTC [-]

08:07:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.35399999 = 0.708 BTC [-]

08:08:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.354 = 1.77 BTC [+]

08:09:36 kakobrekla: www.snapchatdb.info

08:10:01 kakobrekla: also rofl @ Contact us via Bitmessage

08:11:05 kakobrekla: its a cool story

08:13:10 dub: bro

08:14:44 KRS1: wtf how can they do this haha

08:15:07 KRS1: i mean wouldnt snapchat want this taken offline

08:15:15 kakobrekla: http://www.zdnet.com/snapchat-names-aliases-and-phone-numbers-obtainable-via-android-api-say-researchers-7000019992/

08:15:16 ozbot: Snapchat names, aliases and phone numbers obtainable via Android and iOS APIs, say researchers | ZDN

08:15:19 kakobrekla: http://gibsonsec.org/snapchat/fulldisclosure/

08:15:34 kakobrekla: http://www.zdnet.com/researchers-publish-snapchat-code-allowing-phone-number-matching-after-exploit-disclosures-ignored-7000024629/

08:15:35 ozbot: Researchers publish Snapchat code allowing phone number matching after exploit disclosures ignored |

08:15:39 kakobrekla: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6083812

08:15:40 ozbot: Ask HN: Take down my reverse-engineered Snapchat lib because they asked? | Hacker News

08:15:49 kakobrekla: http://blog.snapchat.com/post/71353347590/finding-friends-with-phone-numbers

08:15:50 ozbot: Snapchat - Finding Friends with Phone Numbers

08:16:06 kakobrekla: full story.

08:16:28 KRS1: i didnt mean 'how' exactly but how come this hasnt been taken offline...data this good doesnt usually last long

08:18:50 KRS1: i love it

08:21:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 19 @ 0.354 = 6.726 BTC [+]

08:25:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 131 @ 0.00189937 = 0.2488 BTC [+] {2}

08:28:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.354 = 1.77 BTC [+]

08:38:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 16 @ 0.35428124 = 5.6685 BTC [+] {3}

08:39:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 26 @ 0.35816359 = 9.3123 BTC [+] {5}

08:39:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15736 @ 0.00091047 = 14.3272 BTC [-] {2}

08:55:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.365 BTC [+]

09:02:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3150 @ 0.05 = 157.5 BTC [+]

09:06:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7453 @ 0.00090986 = 6.7812 BTC [-] {3}

09:32:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.05 = 0.55 BTC [+] {2}

09:35:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12488 @ 0.00090885 = 11.3497 BTC [-]

09:35:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 117 @ 0.37905982 = 44.35 BTC [+] {8}

09:48:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 153 @ 0.00349999 = 0.5355 BTC [+] {3}

09:49:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 220 @ 0.0035 = 0.77 BTC [+] {3}

09:53:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.377 = 0.754 BTC [-]

09:56:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 239 @ 0.001 = 0.239 BTC

09:56:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7850 @ 0.00090646 = 7.1157 BTC [-]

09:57:03 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell benkay You've got some weird unicode stuff going on with your url handling. You link to Loper is the primary example.

09:57:03 gribble: The operation succeeded.

09:58:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7200 @ 0.00091072 = 6.5572 BTC [+] {2}

09:59:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.1309 BTC [-]

10:00:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.379 = 0.758 BTC [+]

10:06:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.379 BTC [+]

10:07:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.379 BTC [+]

10:08:36 ArsKisS: seedcoin sink incoming!

10:09:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.379 BTC [+]

10:18:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 80 @ 0.0029808 = 0.2385 BTC [-] {2}

10:19:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 64 @ 0.0035 = 0.224 BTC [+]

10:20:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.3885 = 0.777 BTC [+] {2}

10:20:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 116 @ 0.0035 = 0.406 BTC [+]

10:22:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 111 @ 0.0035 = 0.3885 BTC [+]

10:25:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20100 @ 0.00090894 = 18.2697 BTC [-]

10:33:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00091088 = 3.6435 BTC [+]

10:33:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.38 BTC [-]

10:35:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 134 @ 0.0035 = 0.469 BTC [+]

10:39:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3799 BTC [-]

10:40:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 108 @ 0.0035 = 0.378 BTC [+]

10:41:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1568 @ 0.001 = 1.568 BTC

10:42:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.3799 = 3.0392 BTC [-]

10:52:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 200 @ 0.00199939 = 0.3999 BTC [+] {3}

11:12:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.38 BTC [+]

11:16:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00091184 = 16.2308 BTC [+] {2}

11:18:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8060 @ 0.00091452 = 7.371 BTC [+]

11:35:32 mircea_popescu: .d

11:35:32 ozbot: 1418481395.26264 | Next Diff in 1811 blocks | Estimated Change: -1.2611% in 12d 17h 34m 23s

11:35:57 mircea_popescu: a negative ? that's a rare sight.

11:36:51 kakobrekla: too small sample size eh

11:37:23 mircea_popescu: ~200 blocks

11:37:32 mircea_popescu: not that small, is it ?

11:38:18 kakobrekla: a little over a day

11:38:28 kakobrekla: 1% is in range id say

11:39:14 kakobrekla: maybe it non americans mining

11:39:23 kakobrekla: its*

11:40:34 kakobrekla: running low on luck.

11:41:00 mircea_popescu: but wait, a retarget is every 2100 blocks or so.

11:41:05 mircea_popescu: this is like 10-15%, it's a sample.

11:41:37 mircea_popescu: it SEEMS like a little over a day, but in fact it has been two days + doing the work of 30 hours

11:42:43 kakobrekla: must be europeans then

11:44:05 mircea_popescu: http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed-lin-10k.png

11:44:07 mircea_popescu: looks more like normal noise really.

11:46:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3799 BTC [-]

11:51:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21900 @ 0.00090999 = 19.9288 BTC [-] {2}

11:54:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 108 @ 0.0029 = 0.3132 BTC [-]

11:55:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 327 @ 0.00288506 = 0.9434 BTC [-] {2}

11:56:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 190 @ 0.00287156 = 0.5456 BTC [-] {3}

11:59:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10650 @ 0.00091453 = 9.7397 BTC [+] {2}

12:05:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.05 = 0.35 BTC [+]

12:10:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 476 @ 0.05 = 23.8 BTC [+]

12:11:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.3799 = 1.1397 BTC [-]

12:14:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 56 @ 0.0035 = 0.196 BTC [+] {2}

12:15:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 350 @ 0.0035 = 1.225 BTC [+]

12:30:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24700 @ 0.00091418 = 22.5802 BTC [-] {4}

12:31:08 VanCleef: why are people buying am?

12:31:32 mircea_popescu: coupla bitcoins can do anything.

12:35:18 kakobrekla: aeshits and jiggles

12:35:19 kakobrekla: http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=147613.msg4287591#msg4287591

12:35:22 ozbot: BitBillions GBBG

12:35:24 kakobrekla: -ae

12:39:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.38275 = 1.1483 BTC [+] {3}

12:41:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 105 @ 0.0035 = 0.3675 BTC [+] {3}

12:41:36 Duffer1: how is that not a pyramid scheme and how has it been around for almost a year?

12:41:39 Duffer1: what the shit

12:42:02 mircea_popescu: Duffer1 it's there for comedy relief

12:42:25 mircea_popescu: it's been there for almost a year because nobody [of any import] was stupid enough.

12:42:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 45 @ 0.00353492 = 0.1591 BTC [+] {4}

12:42:36 mircea_popescu: a scam without any passive can last indefinitely.

12:43:17 Duffer1: amazing

12:43:17 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

12:43:25 Duffer1: indeed assbot, indeed

12:54:30 kakobrekla: http://coingen.io

12:54:30 ozbot: Coingen

12:59:30 Duffer1: brb mila kunis coin

12:59:38 Duffer1: am idoing this right?

12:59:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] [PAID] 4.62550000 BTC to 7`975`000 shares, 58 satoshi per share

13:00:02 mircea_popescu: Mila Cunny's Koin

13:00:45 Duffer1: am i ritch yet?

13:02:01 mircea_popescu: you're ricole nitchie.

13:02:11 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust BW^-

13:02:11 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user BW^-: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=BW^- | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=BW^- | Rated since: never

13:03:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21700 @ 0.00091291 = 19.8101 BTC [-]

13:04:01 Duffer1: erf

13:09:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 58863 @ 0.00009497 = 5.5902 BTC [+] {2}

13:10:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.39881815 = 4.387 BTC [+] {4}

13:11:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.395 = 1.58 BTC [-]

13:12:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.4 = 4.4 BTC [+] {2}

13:13:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.40128316 = 2.4077 BTC [+] {6}

13:15:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.42 = 0.84 BTC [+] {2}

13:16:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 109 @ 0.00369945 = 0.4032 BTC [+] {4}

13:16:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.429 BTC [+]

13:23:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.401 = 2.406 BTC [-] {2}

13:24:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4 BTC [-]

13:25:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4 BTC [-]

13:29:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.409 BTC [+]

13:32:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00399473 = 0.7989 BTC [+] {5}

13:33:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 269 @ 0.00417361 = 1.1227 BTC [+] {3}

13:34:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 60 @ 0.00434468 = 0.2607 BTC [+] {5}

13:36:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.40000002 BTC [-]

13:36:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44047 @ 0.00091515 = 40.3096 BTC [+] {5}

13:37:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8232 @ 0.0009165 = 7.5446 BTC [+]

13:42:24 Duffer1: well done MP from hot slut to granny squirts in 7 words

13:45:09 mircea_popescu: Duffer1 dja find it believable ?

13:45:47 Duffer1: not done yet

13:51:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6150 @ 0.0009165 = 5.6365 BTC [+]

13:55:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.41 = 1.23 BTC [+]

13:55:59 Duffer1: the pretext for the poundings seemed a bit far fetched

13:56:35 Duffer1: but perhaps fitting for the timeline the story exists in

13:57:57 mircea_popescu: fiction'd better fetch afar or else why am i reading it even

13:58:20 Duffer1: am actually curious why you're writing it

13:58:28 Duffer1: the erotica i mean

13:59:20 mircea_popescu: i can

14:00:13 Duffer1: i agree

14:00:22 mircea_popescu: so it'd seem i invented a dish. fried chicken livers in onions with a side of basmati and mild mango chutney

14:00:24 mircea_popescu: this thing rocks

14:02:38 ThickAsThieves: PAUL KRUGMAN: Bitcoin's Value Is Driven By The Fact That It Sounds Impressive

14:02:40 ThickAsThieves: lol

14:03:21 ThickAsThieves: http://www.businessinsider.com/bitcoin-trader-job-2014-1

14:03:22 ozbot: Bitcoin Trader Job - Business Insider

14:03:25 Duffer1: that only proves to me that he's trying to drive the price down to get cheaper coin

14:03:42 Duffer1: i don't see why else he'd still be talking about it

14:04:01 ThickAsThieves: his job is to get views i assume

14:04:02 mircea_popescu: ahahahaha

14:04:19 mircea_popescu: EPIC! Man whose value is driven by the fact that he sounds impressive comments on the mother of all value.

14:04:20 ThickAsThieves: but the irony of the headline...

14:04:33 mircea_popescu: this is the story of the cat that looked at a mirror and decided the mirror is the painting of a cat.

14:05:43 ThickAsThieves: NEWSFLASH: Bitcoin Doing Well Cuz It's a Good Idea

14:06:21 mircea_popescu: ono but how could this be!1!11

14:06:46 mircea_popescu: pls our lady of teh governments save us in this our hour of need! we can not live in a world where even a single good idea still draws breath

14:06:48 ThickAsThieves: Here's Why Good Things Are Bad #READMYBLOG

14:06:52 mircea_popescu: we are the stupid! the many!

14:06:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.41 BTC [+]

14:10:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02179999 = 0.109 BTC [+]

14:16:12 ThickAsThieves: ;;estimate

14:16:14 gribble: Next difficulty estimate | None based on data since last change | 1491769001.38 based on data for last three days

14:19:07 mircea_popescu: pankkake say, if i want to hedge my exposure to your coin, can i use a hedgdoge ?

14:19:50 Duffer1: instantrimshot.com

14:21:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.41 = 1.23 BTC [+]

14:30:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 866 @ 0.0018633 = 1.6136 BTC [-] {7}

14:32:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 122 @ 0.001 = 0.122 BTC

14:33:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.415 BTC [+]

14:33:56 topace: has there been some good asicminer news lately? price seems to be increasing

14:34:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.41666333 = 1.25 BTC [+] {2}

14:36:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.42488999 BTC [+]

14:39:09 ThickAsThieves: i think it just bottomed out

14:39:24 ThickAsThieves: and people realized no one was sellign anymore

14:41:58 the20year1: who ThickAsThieves

14:42:12 Duffer1: asicminer

14:42:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 17 @ 0.42827523 = 7.2807 BTC [+] {4}

14:45:53 VanCleef: its a death trap

14:50:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23350 @ 0.00091155 = 21.2847 BTC [-] {2}

14:52:20 the20year1: where's asicminer being traded?

14:52:40 VanCleef: havelockinvestments.com?

14:52:53 Duffer1: havelock is a passthrough

14:53:45 the20year1: wasn't sure

14:54:27 topace: it isnt traded anywhere officially

14:54:35 topace: the only place to trade it is a passthru

14:54:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0495 = 0.495 BTC [-]

14:54:54 VanCleef: don't make it more confusing topace

14:55:01 topace: heh

14:55:06 topace: its not confusing at all

14:55:20 topace: you have "direct shares" held with friedcat, or you have shares held on exchanges via passthru's

14:55:27 topace: the passthru operators hold the direct shares

14:55:41 VanCleef: i'm scared

14:55:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.437757 BTC [+]

15:07:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.421 BTC [-]

15:16:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.421 BTC [-]

15:16:14 rbonestell: I'm still looking for beta testers for myHavelock, an Android app for monitoring your Havelock Investments portfolio!

15:16:58 VanCleef: i only use drones

15:24:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22299 @ 0.00091151 = 20.3258 BTC [-] {2}

15:31:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] [PAID] 68.25110960 BTC to 500`000`000 shares, 13 satoshi per share

15:35:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13955 @ 0.0009104 = 12.7046 BTC [-] {2}

15:37:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.42000001 BTC [-]

15:38:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.41700001 = 0.834 BTC [-] {2}

15:39:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1550 @ 0.000094 = 0.1457 BTC [-]

15:48:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.42000001 BTC [+]

15:49:27 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla http://fraudsters.com/2014/bitbet-december-2013-statement/

15:49:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.41400001 = 4.968 BTC [-] {3}

15:52:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.41400002 BTC [+]

15:52:55 TomServo: mircea_popescu: Can you elaborate on the "social shyness of the gold standard" ?

15:53:35 mircea_popescu: back when sound money was a thing, middle class males spent their first three decades in their parent;s house and were generally unable to talk to strangers throughout their lives.

15:54:20 mircea_popescu: these two may be unrelated. then again, maybe not. who's to know ?

15:54:52 mircea_popescu: some people with nary a financial interest in the world do keep a keen eye to see what of the old time bitcoin brings back. it's really an anthropology goldmine first and foremost.

15:57:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10485 @ 0.00091204 = 9.5627 BTC [+]

15:57:48 TomServo: Interesting. Thanks.

15:58:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.43 = 1.29 BTC [+]

16:04:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44164 @ 0.00090918 = 40.153 BTC [-] {5}

16:05:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 20498 @ 0.001 = 20.498 BTC

16:08:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.43483777 = 0.8697 BTC [+] {2}

16:09:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.436325 = 0.8727 BTC [+] {2}

16:10:29 ArsKisS: omg

16:10:40 ArsKisS: they actually bought 1,5m seedcoin

16:10:41 BW^-: If anyone here is interested in making profit on your fiat in a Bitcoin-industry business, open conversation with me.

16:10:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.437757 = 3.0643 BTC [+] {2}

16:11:06 ArsKisS: does that mean I get fiat or bitcoin?

16:11:12 BW^-: arskiss: fiat!

16:11:14 ArsKisS: if I win in your lottery

16:11:21 ArsKisS: but what do I do with that :O

16:11:23 Duffer1: it means you get shit on

16:11:44 BW^-: arskiss,duffer1: fiat in, more fiat out. through turning over bitcoins.

16:11:59 BW^-: arskiss: pay rent, food, clothes (currently)

16:12:07 BW^-: i mean, material things

16:12:08 Duffer1: ...............................

16:12:10 BW^-: perhaps buy more bitcoins

16:12:11 ArsKisS: lol

16:12:16 ArsKisS: why dont i pay them with bitcoins?

16:12:26 BW^-: arskiss: good Q.

16:12:57 ArsKisS: anyway, I dont participate scams. have a nice day

16:12:58 Duffer1: ;;gpg ident BW^

16:12:59 gribble: Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.

16:13:00 BW^-: anyhow, if there is a prospective interest in making more fiat out of fiat through turning over Bitcoin, I would be very happy to talk

16:13:11 BW^-: Duffer1: mircea was kind to ask me for a WOT

16:13:14 BW^-: i saw that database before

16:13:14 BW^-: but

16:13:18 Duffer1: ;;gpg ident BW^-

16:13:18 gribble: Nick 'BW^-', with hostmask 'BW^-!~Miranda@unaffiliated/bw-/x-2460362', is not identified.

16:13:20 BW^-: and also its page. how do i register?

16:13:34 BW^-: duffer1: I'm in Sweden and I visit mircea's city quite frequently.

16:13:43 Duffer1: ;;google web of trust

16:13:44 gribble: Safe Browsing Tool | WOT (Web of Trust): http://www.mywot.com/; Download the WOT add-on | WOT (Web of Trust): http://www.mywot.com/en/download; Web of trust - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_of_trust

16:13:55 BW^-: feel free to add me on Skype, Facebook, etc. if you want a quick path to some sense of trust now.

16:14:22 mircea_popescu: dude, you're running the wrong direction

16:14:25 BW^-: duffer1: also I circulated on FreeNode with this nick for something like 3-4 years now.

16:14:31 mircea_popescu: people aren't here because they don't know what facebook is or can't find some dollars.

16:14:37 mircea_popescu: people are here because they despise those things.

16:14:57 mircea_popescu: if yhou imagine a facebook page "adds trust" you should be on reddit.

16:16:05 asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2014/01/parastoo-pge-metcalf.htm

16:16:18 asciilifeform: no phalse phlag is complete without one of these!

16:17:33 mircea_popescu: derp

16:17:58 BW^-: mircea: mm

16:18:02 mircea_popescu: "LOOKS CLOSER AND THE CORRUPT BACKWARD RULING PRINCES OF AN OIL-RICH DESERT FIND MORE MUTUAL BENEFIT FROM"

16:18:06 BW^-: arskiss,duffer1: there were no followup Q:s so I guess this means that's not your thing

16:18:19 mircea_popescu: such clinical. very by the book. much psych.

16:18:27 Duffer1: it sounds like it shouldn't be anyone's thing

16:18:30 asciilifeform: i'd love to see the perl script this came out of!

16:18:42 kakobrekla: BW^- lurk moar

16:19:10 BW^-: mircea: what does your MPEx do?

16:19:38 BW^-: kakobrekla: what's a moar?

16:19:45 mircea_popescu: it makes me spend my fucking days writing reports, apparently.

16:19:52 asciilifeform: in other news, dell corp. joins the denial chorus: http://en.community.dell.com/dell-blogs/direct2dell/b/direct2dell/archive/2013/12/30/comment-on-der-spiegel-article-regarding-nsa-tao-organization.aspx

16:20:44 BingoBoingo: BW^-: Have you tried your pitch in -otc or -dev yet?

16:20:59 BW^-: bingoboingo: nope! in -otc may be relevant.

16:21:01 BW^-: -dev not so much

16:21:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 167 @ 0.00091204 = 0.1523 BTC [+]

16:21:29 BingoBoingo: I hear people in both those channels could always use more fiat

16:21:33 kakobrekla: and #btctc, #bitfunder, #glbse

16:21:43 BW^-: bingoboingo: super!

16:21:55 BW^-: indeed, "#bitcoin-assets" is pretty clear about that the Bitcoin is the asset :))))

16:21:55 kakobrekla: also #btcst

16:21:57 BW^-: and nothing else

16:22:05 BW^-: kakobrekla: super thanks!

16:22:17 kakobrekla: yw!

16:22:24 BingoBoingo: Oh good recommendation BW^- Also do #btcst and #labcoin

16:24:01 mircea_popescu: haters, the lot of you.

16:24:08 BW^-: aha #btcst needs invitation

16:24:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.43777499 BTC [+]

16:24:28 pankkake: BW^-: yeah should be renamed #bitcoin-asset

16:24:29 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

16:24:29 gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 871.0, Best ask: 874.999, Bid-ask spread: 3.99900, Last trade: 871.0, 24 hour volume: 16209.42453216, 24 hour low: 820.56318, 24 hour high: 888.8, 24 hour vwap: 859.64173

16:24:53 kakobrekla: eh?

16:24:59 kakobrekla: oh.

16:25:02 kakobrekla: nvm.

16:25:12 Duffer1: just bitter

16:26:06 Duffer1: though i have made it a new years resolution to chill on the hating

16:27:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.437776 = 0.8756 BTC [+] {2}

16:30:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.44776 BTC [+]

16:35:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 74 @ 0.0045 = 0.333 BTC [+]

16:35:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1790 @ 0.00091645 = 1.6404 BTC [+]

16:40:27 kakobrekla: mircea_popescu signed

16:43:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4477699 BTC [+]

16:44:21 BingoBoingo: This story seems like it might be related to Obama's magic tempest tent http://complex.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2013/12/18/exclusive_how_diplomacy_helped_cause_an_f_18_crash

16:44:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.00449999 = 0.18 BTC [-] {2}

16:45:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.447769 BTC [-]

16:50:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.44776999 = 1.3433 BTC [+] {2}

16:54:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19450 @ 0.0009171 = 17.8376 BTC [+] {4}

17:02:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.00448999 = 0.1347 BTC [-]

17:02:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] [PAID] 2.01767224 BTC to 3`000`000 shares, 67 satoshi per share

17:03:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 614 @ 0.001 = 0.614 BTC [-] {3}

17:06:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 5012 @ 0.001 = 5.012 BTC [-] {2}

17:09:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 3104 @ 0.001 = 3.104 BTC [-]

17:10:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 27940 @ 0.001 = 27.94 BTC [-]

17:13:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11643 @ 0.00091616 = 10.6669 BTC [-] {2}

17:14:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 37 @ 0.00410061 = 0.1517 BTC [-] {4}

17:15:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 24 @ 0.05 = 1.2 BTC [+]

17:17:23 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/snsa-december-2013-statement/

17:17:24 ozbot: S.NSA, December 2013 Statement pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

17:18:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 802 @ 0.001 = 0.802 BTC [-] {2}

17:19:23 mircea_popescu: ;;tslb

17:19:25 gribble: Time since last block: 25 minutes and 47 seconds

17:19:42 mircea_popescu: 3 blocks the past hour

17:19:56 mircea_popescu: it's almost as if the hash had fallen from under the network.

17:20:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4507 @ 0.00090985 = 4.1007 BTC [-]

17:20:40 mircea_popescu: .d

17:20:41 ozbot: 1418481395.26264 | Next Diff in 1770 blocks | Estimated Change: 2.5876% in 11d 22h 54m 36s

17:24:01 ThickAsThieves: hashin aint ez

17:24:22 mircea_popescu: 41 blocks over the past 345 minutes. i guess it's about there.

17:27:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.44774898 = 1.3432 BTC [-]

17:29:10 mircea_popescu: im sure glad i'm not here at some eatery among unfriendly ozarks people waiting for my payment to clear tho

17:29:14 mircea_popescu: ;;tslb

17:29:19 gribble: Time since last block: 35 minutes and 40 seconds

17:29:28 mircea_popescu: it could have been a rather tough half hour.

17:33:49 BingoBoingo: I'm looking at the Pirate Ponzi filings on PACER and it looks like we can add being a deadbeat to things Mr. Shavers sucks at in addition to all of the other things in his fail pile

17:34:12 mircea_popescu: i thought this was well established ? something new there ?

17:35:35 BingoBoingo: Well, he acknowledged his summons, and now has his fingers in his ears. This was a civil case. The time to evade, ignore, and avoid service was with the summons.

17:37:50 mircea_popescu: a a

17:38:15 mircea_popescu: he had a lengthy history of dubious relations with basically unfuckworthy women, is more of what i had in mind

17:51:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7400 @ 0.00091402 = 6.7637 BTC [+]

17:54:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.421042 BTC [-]

17:55:23 plambert: mircea_popescu: it looks like you put shipping under "intangible assets", why is it not just an "expense"?

17:56:15 the20year: anyone know offhand what the cheapest bond/fund is that offer mining in terms of btc or dollars per GH?

17:56:37 asciilifeform: plambert: how would you value 'getting the damned assembly going 3 days sooner' ?

17:56:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.421042 = 3.3683 BTC [-]

17:56:45 asciilifeform: that'd be 'intangible asset,' no?

17:56:47 BingoBoingo: I've submitted the BitBet and sent a bit to fund yes. I dunno if him getting substantial jailtime in his criminal case later this month would help or hurt the chances of yes winning.

17:58:01 ThickAsThieves: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=212490.msg4283648#msg4283648

17:58:07 ozbot: The Holy Grail I wish I could kiss the author of Bitmessage on his face.

17:58:10 ThickAsThieves: bunch of updates to open transaction

17:58:23 ThickAsThieves: with some decent video walkthroughs

17:59:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 3375 @ 0.001 = 3.375 BTC [-]

17:59:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 60 @ 0.05 = 3 BTC [+]

18:00:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 178 @ 0.001 = 0.178 BTC [-] {2}

18:02:19 mircea_popescu: plambert it is an expense

18:02:54 mircea_popescu: the idea being that expenses a company makes may either result in tangible or intangible goods, these being terms of art and defined in the original standard

18:03:13 mircea_popescu: id est, http://fraudsters.com/2013/accounting-for-the-nonzero-asset-corporation-the-mpex-standard/

18:04:17 mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/517/bfl-will-deliver-28nm-before-jan-6-2014/

18:04:21 ozbot: BitBet - BFL will deliver 28nm before Jan 6 2014

18:04:21 mircea_popescu: this is so eerie

18:04:38 mircea_popescu: what will 2020 bring, i wonder, "bfl will deliver android sex bots" ?

18:04:59 mircea_popescu: after all they can bfl-deliver anything, why think small.

18:05:15 mircea_popescu: a capsein-containing strain of basmati rice, making your rice naturally hot.

18:05:18 plambert: what has BFL delivered so far?

18:05:26 mircea_popescu: early on a fpga

18:05:39 the20year: late everything else

18:05:47 mircea_popescu: allegedly some other shit since, but it's kind of hard to get straight answers.

18:05:47 BingoBoingo: 2020 "Does BFL make parole by February?"

18:05:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00091742 = 5.321 BTC [+]

18:05:59 mircea_popescu: the people who banked on them last year aren't around anymore, if that's telling.

18:06:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5450 @ 0.00091166 = 4.9685 BTC [-]

18:07:42 ThickAsThieves: they claim to be shipping the first draft of asic miners immediately

18:07:54 ThickAsThieves: it's been almost a year since I cancelled my order for one

18:08:44 plambert: are they going to be more effcient than other ASIC miners, or are they just the same thing everybody else has already?

18:08:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.05 = 0.2 BTC [+]

18:10:32 ThickAsThieves: i'm speaking of old models

18:10:39 ThickAsThieves: 65nm

18:10:40 BingoBoingo: plambert: I don't imagine it really makes much difference. How much difference does pouring a gallon of milk make for a river.

18:10:59 asciilifeform: anyone notice 'blockchain.info' denominated in usd now?

18:11:20 ThickAsThieves: BFL is basically the first scammer in line for new bitcoin enthusiasts

18:11:20 nubbins`: asciilifeform: click on any green button that shows USD

18:11:26 ThickAsThieves: a rite of passage

18:11:45 asciilifeform: nubbins`: interesting

18:11:47 nubbins`: nod

18:11:53 nubbins`: convenient, too

18:11:57 ThickAsThieves: oh you heard of bitcoin mining? and you dont know our rep? buy our miner!

18:12:00 nubbins`: although not necessarily obvious :)

18:12:27 asciilifeform: these folks are harvesting the 'ground floor' people rather well

18:12:41 asciilifeform: i overheard my neighbours talking about dumping their savings into AM some time ago

18:12:45 asciilifeform: real mindfuck

18:12:48 nubbins`: so there's another blizzard heading this way

18:13:06 ThickAsThieves: sounds like they had bad timing

18:13:08 nubbins`: you'd be amazed at the number of people i saw at the hardware store loading up on propane.

18:13:22 nubbins`: "you know you guys can't burn that inside, right?"

18:13:27 nubbins`: "what do you mean?"

18:13:36 asciilifeform: nubbins`: some have generators that run on it

18:13:46 nubbins`: yeah, these were the camping size bottles

18:13:56 asciilifeform: maybe laptop-sized gensets

18:13:57 ThickAsThieves: like for lamps?

18:13:58 nubbins`: heh!

18:14:01 nubbins`: let's hope so

18:14:04 asciilifeform: always wanted one of those

18:14:11 nubbins`: i just shook my head as i purchased the last kerosene heater

18:14:13 asciilifeform: (afaik this doesn't actually exist)

18:14:26 nubbins`: and the last gallon of kerosene

18:15:03 asciilifeform: i'm rather surprised those 'laptop-sized' stirling engines never caught on

18:15:09 asciilifeform: you could run a computer on anything that combusts.

18:15:46 the20year: which would be?

18:15:47 nubbins`: i'd buy several of those

18:15:59 the20year: from my understanding the cost to make one was pretty pricey

18:16:06 nubbins`: multi-fuel systems are great

18:16:08 the20year: compared to say photovoltaics

18:16:17 asciilifeform: it doesn't get any simpler than a stirling engine.

18:16:32 nubbins`: i've got a camp stove that takes kerosene, diesel, naphtha, and even unleaded gasoline

18:16:44 nubbins`: fuckin great

18:16:45 asciilifeform: there's a traditional schoolboy version made from aluminum can, that will run off body heat.

18:17:15 the20year: how many watts does that produce?

18:17:17 asciilifeform: some have... interesting... shapes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:BetaStirlingTG4web.svg

18:17:23 asciilifeform: the20year: a few mW

18:17:34 nubbins`: HA

18:17:35 the20year: so how many to get 50w or so?

18:17:54 the20year: last sterling engine I saw that 'd produce 25 watts was about $500

18:19:05 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it always did that, you can click the bubbles to switch

18:19:12 asciilifeform: aha.

18:19:39 asciilifeform: there are ways to make substantially cheaper stirling engine

18:19:43 asciilifeform: e.g. liquid pistons

18:19:54 asciilifeform: but it remains a 'crackpot field' for some reason.

18:20:13 asciilifeform: mainly because they're no good for vehicles

18:20:24 the20year: the ones i've seen, by people who were supposed to be experts were all way more innefiicent and more expensive than a standard steam turbine system using a solar trough

18:20:25 asciilifeform: (need gigantic heat exchanger if engine is moving)

18:21:21 nubbins`: hm

18:21:27 nubbins`: i wonder if the off-the-grid crowd uses these

18:21:28 the20year: solar troughs are immensely cheap, very efficient, and overall great use

18:21:48 asciilifeform: if you want to run a laptop off a candle, a micro stirling engine is probably the only way to go.

18:21:59 mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> i've got a camp stove that takes kerosene, diesel, naphtha, and even unleaded gasoline << i used to have a car that took all that, also alcohol, toluene, etc

18:22:01 the20year: how much does energy does said candle produce?

18:22:01 asciilifeform: (thermoelectric cell, the seemingly-obvious solution, is laughably inefficient)

18:22:10 BingoBoingo: I'm kind of suprised people who claim to be running mining farms aren't talking about stirling engines and heat recovery.

18:22:23 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: amazing!

18:22:23 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

18:22:29 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: nobody cancelled laws of thermodynamics

18:22:31 mircea_popescu: notrly. russian.

18:22:37 nubbins`: only problem is that certain fuels are a lot dirtier, and require more maintenance

18:22:47 nubbins`: e.g. naphtha / white gas vs unleaded petrol

18:22:51 mircea_popescu: i don't think the concept of dirty existed in the universe this thing was made.

18:22:56 nubbins`: heh!

18:22:59 nubbins`: too true

18:23:10 asciilifeform: you know, it really doesn't get much dirtier than firewood

18:23:14 asciilifeform: and yet everybody loves it

18:23:24 nubbins`: the real nice wood stoves have afterburners

18:23:35 mircea_popescu: how is firewood dirty ?

18:23:42 asciilifeform: http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/the-fireplace-delusion

18:23:43 ozbot: The Fireplace Delusion : :

18:23:47 nubbins`: soot

18:23:52 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Of course not, but I'm thinking such thoughts would be attractive to the mining mindset.

18:25:47 nubbins`: hm

18:25:57 the20year: afterburners usually take out most of the soot

18:26:03 nubbins`: yeah

18:26:12 the20year: typically they're extraordinarily efficient

18:26:14 asciilifeform: the20year: your fireplace chimney has an afterburner?

18:26:15 nubbins`: wood stoves in general are way better than fireplaces for this thing too

18:26:18 the20year: as for cost, they can't be beat

18:26:31 nubbins`: fireplaces are mildly retarded, although quaint

18:26:37 nubbins`: wood stoves are the shine

18:26:41 the20year: I don't have a fireplace in my house , next houe we have will absolutely have one. My neighbor just put one in his house though

18:26:47 asciilifeform: phun phact: afterburner is the invention that made cremation popular in the west

18:26:52 nubbins`: haha

18:26:55 nubbins`: makes sense

18:27:15 nubbins`: if you REALLY want a fireplace, get a propane one installed

18:27:16 asciilifeform: if you burn 1-stage, the whole town gets to smell the barbeque

18:27:25 asciilifeform: as in india.

18:27:34 nubbins`: if you REALLY want to burn wood for heat, get a Jotul stove

18:27:46 nubbins`: sorry

18:27:48 nubbins`: Jøtul

18:28:13 asciilifeform: see, quite a few people get wood stoves because they like the smell.

18:28:19 nubbins`: heh.

18:28:23 the20year: what heat source do you use?

18:28:28 nubbins`: that's like smoking cigarettes because you like the smell

18:28:33 nubbins`: the20year: i'm on electric heat here

18:28:37 asciilifeform: the20year: heat pump

18:28:39 nubbins`: our tenants are on oil :(

18:28:41 asciilifeform: came with the place

18:28:44 the20year: coal or nuke?

18:29:05 asciilifeform: gas-fired plant, four blocks away

18:29:09 asciilifeform: local uni built it

18:29:15 the20year: so you use gas heat :D

18:29:17 nubbins`: anyway, speaking of tenants, i should go pick up rent before this storm hits

18:29:21 asciilifeform: technically, correct.

18:29:28 nubbins`: expecting another 25cm today

18:29:44 the20year: i don't know the name for them, but the big new wood heat here locally is a insullated box

18:30:00 the20year: sometimes built in a hill or ditch, surrounded by dirt, that's then piped underground to your house

18:30:27 asciilifeform: the20year: this was, afaik, invented by ww2 partizans

18:30:35 asciilifeform: heat a dugout without smoke giving away position

18:30:44 the20year: yeah

18:31:03 the20year: These have afterburners/scrubbers on them, the people I know that use them are heating 2000sf+ houses with just a cord of wood per year

18:31:11 KRS1: i know how you feel-cold in florida today, probably 65-low 60's

18:31:25 KRS1: i have to put on long pants for once

18:31:32 asciilifeform: the20year: what latitude?

18:31:34 the20year: it's 0f here today

18:31:38 asciilifeform: easy to heat a house that never gets cold

18:31:48 KRS1: 26.7097° N, 80.0642° W

18:31:49 the20year: 39.9833° N, 82.9833° W

18:32:08 asciilifeform: if you could build with 'aerogel' insulation, you could heat the house with just your body + computer.

18:32:15 asciilifeform: but aerogel is... $500/g?

18:32:21 the20year: There are easier ways than that

18:32:24 the20year: just build a underground house

18:32:27 asciilifeform: right

18:32:28 the20year: or a dirt house

18:32:42 the20year: at some point , i want to bury a few connex boxes to keep temperature stable

18:32:47 asciilifeform: here in the u.s., demilitarized missile shafts are sometimes sold

18:32:55 asciilifeform: and are famous for the low cost of heating/cooling

18:33:01 the20year: You can do that, or just build it yourself, rent a backhoe and spend a few days

18:33:15 the20year: that's because once you go down about 3 feet , temperatures stabilize on a yearly basis, around 55f

18:33:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.001 = 0.2 BTC [-]

18:33:21 the20year: (Although that depends on your location in the US)

18:33:39 asciilifeform: who wouldn't love a house with a 200T door.

18:33:40 the20year: Here in Ohio, even during the winter, all you need to do is dig a 5ft hole, install some plexiglass over the top of it, and you can grow tomatoes and such all year long

18:34:21 BingoBoingo: A county government purchased on of the local Nike bases a while back for records storage. Mold and Mosture took out a good portion of the archived vital records.

18:34:51 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: nike, afaik, was surface-launched.

18:35:01 asciilifeform: so unless you like big concrete parking lot, not sure what use it is.

18:35:15 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: There were the underground magazines.

18:35:20 asciilifeform: aha

18:35:23 the20year: nikes had pretty massive underground facilities

18:35:29 the20year: there's one near me, completely flooded

18:35:45 asciilifeform: they all flood if the pumps aren't working

18:35:45 BingoBoingo: Surface launched, but lifted from the concrete vault by an elevator.

18:35:59 the20year: pumps were shut off a long time ago

18:36:04 asciilifeform: hence why you can buy one for considerably less than a human house

18:36:14 asciilifeform: but there aren't any over here, sadly.

18:36:28 BingoBoingo: That local site is now repurposed as a sewage treatment facility

18:36:35 the20year: nice

18:36:51 the20year: i guess a sewage plant in texas is now selling the waste as fertilizer, making a ton off it

18:36:53 KRS1: aerogel is badass i wanted to buy some of it

18:37:35 asciilifeform: KRS1: afaik it still holds the record for unit cost / gram (other than weird biologicals)

18:39:00 asciilifeform: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Aerogelflower_filtered.jpg

18:40:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.05 = 0.4 BTC [+]

18:43:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.41510909 = 4.5662 BTC [-] {4}

18:47:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 3024 @ 0.001 = 3.024 BTC [-]

18:48:38 the20year: Aerogel has a factor of R10 per inch

18:48:56 the20year: It is a whopping 50% more efficient than what I buy at lowes for 50 cents a square foot

18:49:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00091497 = 14.6395 BTC [+] {2}

18:50:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 500 @ 0.001 = 0.5 BTC [-]

18:53:32 BingoBoingo: Here's some pictures of Nike magazines http://themilitarystandard.com/missile/nike/sl-40_photos_2.php

18:54:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00091857 = 9.8287 BTC [+] {2}

18:59:35 asciilifeform: at least one 'minuteman' still worked, it is claimed: http://www.afgsc.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123374519

18:59:46 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform of course te per gram reference is deceiving. aerogel is very light

18:59:59 mircea_popescu: by this token peacock tail feathers are probably more expensive

19:00:09 mircea_popescu: (still used to this day in cabaret costumerie)

19:00:15 asciilifeform: i said 'unit cost', perhaps that wasn't the correct term

19:00:24 asciilifeform: we could breed peacocks the way chickens are bred, in theory

19:00:26 mircea_popescu: what's a unit, you know ?

19:00:31 asciilifeform: if someone found a really good use for the feather

19:00:42 asciilifeform: while, afaik, no one knows how to make aerogel economically.

19:02:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9043 @ 0.00091166 = 8.2441 BTC [-]

19:04:33 asciilifeform: http://themilitarystandard.com/missile/minuteman/images/pizza.jpg

19:04:48 the20year: what's the use for aerogel if it was more economical?

19:05:19 asciilifeform: really nice gloves?

19:07:16 the20year: slightly thinner, slightly lighter gloves

19:07:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.41600001 BTC [+]

19:10:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 500 @ 0.001 = 0.5 BTC [-]

19:10:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.416 = 0.832 BTC [-]

19:11:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.41 = 2.46 BTC [-] {2}

19:27:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11078 @ 0.00090834 = 10.0626 BTC [-] {2}

19:30:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.001 = 1 BTC [-]

19:43:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11938 @ 0.00091528 = 10.9266 BTC [+] {2}

19:55:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 225 @ 0.001 = 0.225 BTC [-]

19:58:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 944 @ 0.00063485 = 0.5993 BTC [+] {3}

19:59:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 6036 @ 0.00060011 = 3.6223 BTC [-] {3}

19:59:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18650 @ 0.00091633 = 17.0896 BTC [+] {2}

20:05:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 47 @ 0.05 = 2.35 BTC [+]

20:27:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 98 @ 0.05 = 4.9 BTC [+]

20:40:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.36695001 = 1.1009 BTC [-]

20:42:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.05 = 1.1 BTC [+]

20:55:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1009 @ 0.001 = 1.009 BTC [-] {3}

20:57:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6050 @ 0.00091946 = 5.5627 BTC [+] {2}

20:58:18 mircea_popescu: .d

20:58:18 ozbot: 1418481395.26264 | Next Diff in 1741 blocks | Estimated Change: 4.2028% in 11d 13h 54m 24s

20:58:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 186 @ 0.00391725 = 0.7286 BTC [-] {7}

21:01:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19550 @ 0.00091813 = 17.9494 BTC [-]

21:02:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00091457 = 4.3899 BTC [-] {2}

21:02:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.05 = 0.35 BTC [+]

21:02:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.39999999 = 0.8 BTC [+]

21:05:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 79 @ 0.00295 = 0.2331 BTC [-]

21:08:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16862 @ 0.0009117 = 15.3731 BTC [-]

21:10:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1438 @ 0.00091124 = 1.3104 BTC [-]

21:12:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 301 @ 0.00383836 = 1.1553 BTC [-] {9}

21:13:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 9230 @ 0.0000935 = 0.863 BTC [-]

21:15:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3159 @ 0.000094 = 0.2969 BTC [+]

21:16:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 80 @ 0.00381001 = 0.3048 BTC [-] {3}

21:17:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 92 @ 0.00381629 = 0.3511 BTC [+] {3}

21:17:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1611 @ 0.000098 = 0.1579 BTC [+]

21:18:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 109 @ 0.00371006 = 0.4044 BTC [-] {4}

21:21:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 202 @ 0.00338419 = 0.6836 BTC [-] {14}

21:28:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12162 @ 0.00091588 = 11.1389 BTC [+]

21:33:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12610 @ 0.00090805 = 11.4505 BTC [-]

21:37:41 BW^-: bingoboingo: ok, I talked at -otc and they were almost completely unserious

21:37:53 BW^-: bingoboingo: almost completely worthless conversation.

21:38:00 BW^-: kakobrekla: ^

21:43:44 BingoBoingo: How?

21:44:11 rbonestell: I'm looking for beta testers for a Havelock portfolio Android app on Google Play- anyone?

21:54:41 mircea_popescu: rbonestell did you manage to get anyone so far ?

21:55:16 rbonestell: I have 5 people testing it right now- found and resolved a few issues. Went from alpha to beta, might go production in a week or so if nothing seriously is found.

21:55:36 rbonestell: nothing serious*

21:55:47 mircea_popescu: cool.

21:56:09 rbonestell: http://i.imgur.com/3tFyqv9.png

21:56:18 rbonestell: ^ screenshot

21:56:52 pankkake: shouldn't the triangles be down if - ?

21:59:14 Jere_Jones: Maybe it is the symbol for delta and not a triangle

21:59:19 rbonestell: yeah, that's delta

21:59:52 pankkake: yeah, I realized after, but it confuses my eyes :)

22:00:34 rbonestell: :D

22:00:46 rbonestell: I could change it to Profit (or Loss) %

22:01:49 ll_: i think the +/- is enough to an idea

22:05:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 500 @ 0.001 = 0.5 BTC [+]

22:08:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5004 @ 0.00091114 = 4.5593 BTC [+]

22:12:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4987 @ 0.00091114 = 4.5439 BTC [+]

22:13:41 rbonestell: mircea_popescu: Are you interested in participating in the beta?

22:19:12 mircea_popescu: i don't have a smartphone thingee

22:19:17 mircea_popescu: was just curious.

22:20:34 rbonestell: oh, ok. :D

22:20:40 asciilifeform: wait - i thought 'havelock' was an evil spam exchange?

22:21:49 rbonestell: Havelock Investments, or is havelock a code name for something else too?

22:21:56 asciilifeform: it.

22:22:36 asciilifeform: didn't they let some bastard take his shareholder piggy and run off, or was that somebody else ?

22:24:54 jurov: yes that was virtex

22:26:04 jurov: and i'm really curious how would mircea prevent someone pulling the same on mpex

22:28:18 jurov: or how would your shitcoins help there, for that matter, asciilifeform

22:29:21 mircea_popescu: jurov prevent is aptly named for what it does : afore, not after the fact.

22:31:09 jurov: but how? iirc shit already almost happened with bitvps

22:32:01 mircea_popescu: well but how. if i could put it in a pill we could all start exchanges and reddit's dream of progress and equality could finally be realised.

22:32:16 jurov: :)

22:32:35 nubbins`: but if everyone is equal, the people who want to be better than others will be sad

22:32:40 nubbins`: :(

22:33:14 mircea_popescu: from experience, the people who aren't ever sad are the people who are better than others.

22:33:48 rbonestell: that's some deep stuff

22:34:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 36 @ 0.13155555 = 4.736 BTC [+] {5}

22:34:55 jurov: that definition seems uncomfortably close to one of sociopath

22:35:18 nubbins`: HEH

22:35:34 nubbins`: storm's picking up, i'm thinking that tomorrow i'll have to shovel out the windows again

22:35:56 mircea_popescu: nubbins` you make canada sound like so much fun

22:36:04 mircea_popescu: jurov which definition of sociopath do you work on ?

22:36:12 nubbins`: yeah, it's great if you like cold

22:36:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 19 @ 0.13589464 = 2.582 BTC [+] {2}

22:36:34 nubbins`: we've had rolling blackouts the past two days

22:36:42 nubbins`: i haven't lost power here yet

22:36:48 mircea_popescu: possibly the most abused term in current english, sort-of like "christian" and "intellectual" rolled into one.

22:37:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00091336 = 11.0517 BTC [+] {3}

22:37:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.1358999 BTC [+]

22:37:34 jurov: "complete disregard of rights of others"

22:38:28 mircea_popescu: now how does that get wedged into hapiness and superiority ?

22:38:59 jurov: i don't see how one can avoid some sadness when thinking about others

22:39:09 mircea_popescu: one'd have to care.

22:39:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.00090643 = 13.5058 BTC [-] {4}

22:39:26 mircea_popescu: do the others have a right that requires EVERYONE to care about them ?

22:40:02 jurov: now how does that get wedged into hapiness and superiority ?

22:40:52 mircea_popescu: some dork is better than you and perfectly happy.

22:41:04 mircea_popescu: and he doesn't care that you're neither happy nor any good

22:42:02 jurov: if such dork is my boss, it's his loss then

22:42:32 mircea_popescu: perhaps.

22:43:00 mircea_popescu: by design it's a loss he can easily cope with : you've only one boss, he presumably has many employees.

22:43:11 mircea_popescu: so reasonably, it'd be your loss, mostly.

22:43:21 nubbins`: loss is relative

22:44:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 37 @ 0.00378838 = 0.1402 BTC [+] {7}

22:44:59 jurov: not going to compare who's more at loss here

22:45:23 mircea_popescu: but that aside, how do rights enter into any of it ?

22:45:24 jurov: my point is not caring means loss for both parties

22:45:38 jurov: where did i speak about rights?

22:45:44 mircea_popescu: this is flat out nonsense. i don't care about most of the ~10 bn extras the earth is carrying.

22:45:51 mircea_popescu: you presume this counts as any sort of loss ?

22:46:07 mircea_popescu: there's millions of little noises my ears filter out. i lose something when i'm deaf to entropic noise ?

22:46:20 mircea_popescu: <jurov> "complete disregard of rights of others" <

22:49:03 jurov: okay

22:49:12 jurov: i'm tired today :(

22:49:24 jurov: fuck that

22:49:31 mircea_popescu: lolk

22:51:06 jurov: anyway, i don't see why it shouldn't be a right that at least someone should care. of course not everyone.

22:51:52 jurov: but that looks like exactly such a good intention that paves the road to hell

22:52:25 mircea_popescu: some proposition doesn't become a right just as soon as someone somehwere doesn't see why it shouldn't be, that's why

22:52:29 mircea_popescu: what's this, the 70s ?

22:52:54 mircea_popescu: it only becomes a right once you are actually willing to die for it.

22:53:07 mircea_popescu: (which indeed implies that the unwilling to die have no rights)

22:54:39 jurov: well, quite a few people died because they have seen it as only possibility for someone to care

22:55:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 51 @ 0.003239 = 0.1652 BTC [-]

22:56:01 mircea_popescu: i think that's a different trope

22:56:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 18 @ 0.1358999 = 2.4462 BTC [+]

22:57:09 mircea_popescu: sounds more like herostratus.

22:57:22 rbonestell: https://www.havelockinvestments.com/fund.php?symbol=MS

22:57:23 rbonestell: ...

23:06:06 mircea_popescu: "I resent being an artist, in that respect, I resent performing for fucking idiots who don't know anything. They can't feel. I?m the one that?s feeling, because I?m the one that is expressing."

23:06:22 mircea_popescu: giving away a slightly used, still in working condition yoko ono to whoever identifies the quote's author.

23:07:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.38001 = 0.76 BTC [-] {2}

23:08:53 BingoBoingo: John Lennon, but I'm not sure I want the Yoko Ono

23:09:16 mircea_popescu: aite, whoever has her can keep her.

23:09:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MG] 4992 @ 0.0001001 = 0.4997 BTC [-]

23:11:34 BingoBoingo: Yoko just seems like one of those horrifically bad luck charms.

23:12:59 mircea_popescu: more like a cross between zsa zsa gabor and liz taylor, managing to garner the worst parts of both

23:13:13 mircea_popescu: short tempered, vain yet totally incompetent fuckwit

23:13:54 BingoBoingo: Right. The sort of gift you give when you want to ruin the recipient through the burden of maintaining the gift.

23:13:56 mircea_popescu: pity she never amounted to anything in feminism, i'd much rather mock her than luminaries a la that fat chick, what's her name.

23:14:14 BingoBoingo: Lena Dunham?

23:15:24 mircea_popescu: nah

23:16:24 mircea_popescu: rosie mcdowell

23:16:58 mircea_popescu: no wait

23:17:01 mircea_popescu: rosie what the fuck

23:17:04 BingoBoingo: Ah. O'Donnel

23:17:21 mircea_popescu: Rosie O'Donnell yeah

23:17:36 jborkl: Luke reported the hashfast machine is at ...20gh

23:18:11 BingoBoingo: jborkl: Is Luke still qualified to report these things?

23:18:44 jborkl: Good question. But other reports are similar

23:19:12 pankkake: rosie o'donnell looks like she got surprise buttsex in almost all her pics

23:19:13 mircea_popescu: is this the 400 gh thing ?

23:19:18 jborkl: Yes

23:19:28 mircea_popescu: ...

23:19:48 mircea_popescu: this must be some luke-ish thing, who knows what exact narrow formalism required

23:20:20 mircea_popescu: or in other words, this'd be the first time someone fails 95% in electronics. how, even

23:22:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.0029685 = 0.1484 BTC [+]

23:26:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 500 @ 0.001 = 0.5 BTC [+]

23:26:10 pankkake: "Yes, my mistake/misunderstanding: the unit I received is apparently an engineering sample."

23:26:59 mircea_popescu: lol

23:32:32 KRS1: ya that storm nubbins is in is like 3/4 of the way to a real fuckup

23:32:51 KRS1: its even cold here in florida because of it, a long way from Canada

23:35:59 nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/newfoundland-rolling-blackouts-to-continue-into-saturday-1.2482587

23:36:00 ozbot: Newfoundland rolling blackouts to continue into Saturday - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News

23:36:18 nubbins`: not sure if they forgot to black us out, or if we're on the same circuit as the fire station

23:39:53 deadweasel: stay warm nubs!

23:41:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.4144442 = 3.73 BTC [+] {6}

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