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Transcript for 03-03-2014, 1177 lines:

00:08:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.08496619 = 0.7647 BTC [+] {3}

00:10:11 benkay: http://www.nytimes.com/2001/02/25/magazine/25STOCK-TRADER.html?pagewanted=all

00:10:12 ozbot: Jonathan Lebed: Stock Manipulator, S.E.C. Nemesis -- and 15 - New York Times

00:10:15 benkay: kid needs to get into btc

00:10:17 benkay: make a killing

00:12:01 benkay: "Greg and Connie were born in New Jersey, but from the moment the Internet struck, they might as well have just arrived from Taiwan. When the Internet landed on them, it redistributed the prestige and authority that goes with a general understanding of the ways of the world away from the grown-ups and to the child. The grown-ups now depended on the child to translate for them. Technology had turned them into a family of immigrants."

00:12:05 benkay: future of btc

00:22:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.0054 = 0.135 BTC [-] {2}

00:48:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 31 @ 0.00539998 = 0.1674 BTC [+] {2}

00:49:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 132 @ 0.00539998 = 0.7128 BTC [+] {3}

00:56:13 nubbins`: lel

00:56:19 nubbins`: rg is raging at the world in -otc

00:56:30 nubbins`: he disappeared for a week with a bunch of loans outstanding

00:56:41 nubbins`: and is now scrambling to undo the damage

00:56:51 benkay: who is rg?

00:56:58 kakobrekla: oh my.

00:57:14 kakobrekla: he had a vps company listed on mpex benkay

00:57:28 benkay: ah right and sold it to someone else iirc?

00:57:30 kakobrekla: later to get a real job and leaving it up with namworld

00:57:37 kakobrekla: or something

00:57:43 kakobrekla: cause real jobs is the future

00:58:13 benkay: steve jobs is the future

00:59:08 BingoBoingo: Nah, Steve Jobs had Pancreatic cancer, Real Jobs is the last survivor of the Jobs family

00:59:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1700 @ 0.00085711 = 1.4571 BTC [+]

00:59:37 assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1679958/plain/)

00:59:37 benkay: !b 3

00:59:37 BingoBoingo: Eventually no Jobs will be left

01:00:38 benkay: ah nice, assbot doesn't bash assbot quotes

01:00:40 benkay: er, lines

01:00:51 benkay: that's right we had some luls with that one time

01:01:29 benkay: hey nubbins` would you be a friend and pastebin some logs of the -otc drama for us?

01:01:45 kakobrekla: yes its a feature, not a bug .:\

01:02:32 kakobrekla: yes drama give. btcusd is low. drama nao!!

01:02:38 nubbins`: benkay, it's just noise

01:02:40 benkay: moar drams

01:02:49 nubbins`: nothing particular lel-worthy, just some guy grasping at straws

01:02:50 benkay: well it might be caselaw nubbins` that's the thing

01:02:59 benkay: in fact i'm pretty sure it's caselaw

01:03:11 kakobrekla: did he lose it on gox'

01:03:40 BingoBoingo: Wait, More Electronic Rap Ghost drama?

01:04:11 benkay: pretty please, nubbins`?

01:04:19 kakobrekla: its Rap Electronic Ghost, not Electronic Rap Ghost

01:04:30 nubbins`: http://pastebin.com/mBuUdzFh

01:04:30 ozbot: [21:05:50] <rg> but i had to pay rent today [21:06:04] <nezZario> The only - Pastebin.com

01:04:38 nubbins`: that's as far back as my client goes

01:04:41 benkay: thanks bruvva

01:04:43 nubbins`: apparently i'm not saving logs

01:04:53 benkay: me neither - gotta fixit.

01:04:56 nubbins`: he was lurking as Guest56803 for the past few days

01:05:05 nubbins`: finally decided to start talking today

01:05:59 kakobrekla: well what has the world come to

01:06:26 kakobrekla: rap electronic ghosts living of xpm atcoins

01:06:31 kakobrekla: altcoins

01:08:26 kakobrekla: o lol

01:08:27 kakobrekla: [21:20:29] <rg> <HappzzC__: im workin with like 2500 ms latency here

01:08:27 kakobrekla: [21:21:00] <HappzzC__> yeah, youre like a week late snd i depend on the miney

01:08:36 dub__: ;;ud paying the rent

01:08:37 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Paying%20the%20Rent | Paying the Rent. A sex position in which the man fits his shoulders into the back of the womans knees, lifts her off the ground so that only her shoulders are on ...

01:08:37 ozbot: Urban Dictionary: Paying the Rent

01:08:41 kakobrekla: ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE ANYONE

01:08:53 kakobrekla: lol dub

01:09:12 dub__: rg is butthurt his jacked botnets no longer make banque

01:09:31 kakobrekla: pretty much

01:12:36 dub__: ah the log goes into that

01:12:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34374 @ 0.00085789 = 29.4891 BTC [+]

01:13:25 benkay: eenie meenie money no mo'

01:13:25 nubbins`: also butthurt that i rated him -2

01:13:36 nubbins`: doesn't seem to want to come to terms that this is because i don't trust him

01:13:50 nubbins`: which, after all, is what a web of trust is

01:14:06 nubbins`: it's not a web of people who eventually made good in the end after being publicly embarassed

01:14:26 nubbins`: [21:43:53] <rg> well this is annoying

01:14:26 nubbins`: [21:43:57] <rg> and everyone is being mean to me

01:14:26 nubbins`: [21:43:58] <rg> so im leaving

01:16:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 45 @ 0.0054 = 0.243 BTC [+]

01:36:53 benkay: well that's bloody interesting

01:37:01 benkay: not really writeup worthy, except for participants

01:37:11 dub: what is

01:37:13 benkay: and to work for posterity just oodles of research into this rapeghost character

01:37:23 benkay: nubbins` pastebin from earlier, dub

01:37:25 dub: heh

01:37:44 dub: dude is og but scetchy as fuck

01:37:56 nubbins`: ^

01:38:02 dub: I got stories

01:38:12 nubbins`: me too, you've likely heard em

01:38:24 benkay: what are your stories, dub?

01:40:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6703 @ 0.00019 = 1.2736 BTC [+]

01:42:41 dub: I don't hate the guy, no reason to drag old shit into the -assets blogparty

01:43:12 benkay: it's all going to come out eventually.

01:44:11 dub: and he ragequits all the time, the signal-drama ration is about normal

01:44:22 dub: ratio*

02:06:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 185 @ 0.0054 = 0.999 BTC [+]

02:14:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00085864 = 8.0712 BTC [+]

02:22:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 61 @ 0.0054 = 0.3294 BTC [+]

02:34:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00085864 = 3.177 BTC [+]

02:41:08 benkay: no atc on coinedup

02:41:09 benkay: https://coinedup.com/

02:41:11 ozbot: Coined Up - The FREE Crypto-Only Currency Exchange

02:41:13 benkay: get on it, alters

02:45:54 Jakamoko: did you build that exchange?

03:04:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.09 = 0.27 BTC [-]

03:15:53 benkay: more on the US polizei's role as underclass regulators: http://www.nickfarr.org/2014/02/what-i-learned-from-an-unfortunate-incident-with-the-nypd/

03:25:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10145 @ 0.00085882 = 8.7127 BTC [+] {2}

03:29:30 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell mircea_popescu Maybe you are right http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/movies/moviesnow/la-et-mn-navy-seals-found-dead-captain-philips-ship-20140219,0,4241146.story?utm_campaign=linkbox_override&utm_source=wwwlatimes&utm_content=section#axzz2urlu269Y

03:29:30 gribble: The operation succeeded.

03:35:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.04399749 = 0.176 BTC [+] {3}

03:41:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.08 = 0.16 BTC [-] {2}

03:53:35 benkay: ;;later tell mircea_popescu re auroracoin wtf http://www.mbl.is/vidskipti/frettir/2013/12/19/hoftin_stodva_vidskipti_med_bitcoin/

03:53:36 gribble: The operation succeeded.

04:05:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00517503 = 2.5875 BTC [-] {18}

04:07:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC

04:08:32 herbijudlestoids: hullo

04:08:36 herbijudlestoids: just checking in

04:08:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.044599 = 0.1784 BTC [+]

04:13:03 B007: hi

04:13:28 benkay: oh hey herbijudlestoids good to know you're still alive

04:13:48 kakobrekla: i thought he wasnt coming back

04:13:56 B007: no it is his programmed bot on his vps

04:14:19 B007: he is dead since yesterday

04:30:57 benkay: hey guys

04:31:21 benkay: what goes on the ideal crypto-savvy human's personal-security checklist?

04:32:00 MisterE: John Kerry: "You just don't in the 21st Century behave...by invading another country on completely trumped-up pretext" http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26405635

04:32:14 MisterE: he smokes a lot of cock

04:37:39 B007: o rly? I heard he likes to eat it raw

04:49:50 dub: benkay: like physical skurity? or general bcp

04:51:57 dub: standard cryptotarian carry, ar15 concealed in banjo case

04:52:32 B007: ak-47 + extended mag ftw

04:57:48 BingoBoingo: benkay: Tack hammer on one's belt

04:59:49 chetty: horn-rim glasses and a pocket protector

05:01:05 BingoBoingo: Nah, one doesn't want to appear to be a dorky BTC Jesus. One wants to look like a simple blue collar actual jesus.

05:08:20 benkay: or suits as the case may be.

05:08:40 benkay: probably relatively high-profile from target perspective.

05:08:54 benkay: "oh, dude has btc. let's breach his personal security and get 'em."

05:10:21 benkay: but also it has to be a sustainable, fault-tolerant thing that a person can practice their whole lives.

05:10:22 kakobrekla: basically you need some nut a wrench cant unscrew

05:10:47 benkay: "personal crypto security: basically impossibly hard"

05:11:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58 BTC [-]

05:11:47 benkay: i'm thinking best practices for personal backup and recovery strategy for keys and private contracts and such.

05:11:58 dub: BingoBoingo has it really, don't get caught

05:12:12 dub: no amount of kit will protect you from a determined attacker

05:12:41 asciilifeform: benkay: "personal crypto security: basically impossibly hard" << every time this is said, nsa cafeteria fillets and serves a white tiger kitten (or insert rarer and cuter animal)

05:12:41 benkay: sure sure

05:13:02 B007: benkay: all your bitcoins are belong to me

05:13:21 benkay: no i know asciilifeform, it's in quotes for a reason

05:13:28 benkay: okay i have this gpg key

05:13:37 B007: just store your keys encrypted and offline, hope for the best?

05:13:47 benkay: how do i best ensure i have access to it forever?

05:13:52 dub: benkay: one thing I do is delete or hide any wallets im carrying across borders

05:14:04 benkay: encrypted image with all important keys and files?

05:16:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 150 @ 0.0008829 = 0.1324 BTC [+]

05:17:40 BingoBoingo: carry some microfiche that looks like a one time pad and you actual keys more discretely, misdirect the attention

05:17:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 300 @ 0.00088299 = 0.2649 BTC [+] {2}

05:18:19 benkay: faugh

05:21:26 BingoBoingo: perhaps find a "collectible" surplus or replica for the purpose

05:21:51 chetty: fillup a lot of storage with random stuff, encrypted with different keys, lose it in the mess

05:22:53 benkay: obfuscation

05:23:05 benkay: i'm afraid of becoming an old man and actually losing it in the mess, though.

05:23:10 asciilifeform: none of you seem to be thinking about the obvious

05:23:24 asciilifeform: situation where enemy (willing to torture and kill) knows that you're loaded

05:23:33 asciilifeform: and doesn't know (or care) where you keep the stash

05:23:40 asciilifeform: but has your arse

05:23:44 asciilifeform: and a soldering iron.

05:23:54 chetty: cyanide

05:23:57 asciilifeform: for some reason i thought that is what this line of thought was about.

05:24:32 benkay: more along the lines of list of things to do that will reduce attack surface area

05:24:41 benkay: maximize key durability

05:24:48 benkay: and access

05:24:54 asciilifeform: next lower class of attack: enemy willing to steal every single one of your identifiable possessions

05:25:27 benkay: right. they got the backups.

05:26:11 benkay: so the only thing to do is an encrypted drive with a memorized dicelist.

05:26:14 asciilifeform: the only real defence is: obscurity

05:26:48 chetty: #1 - don't be a target, #2 - don't be an easy target

05:27:31 benkay: #3 make it hard to parse the possibility space, #4 have rock solid encryption as a last barrier?

05:28:06 benkay: am i retarded or is this problem hard?

05:28:33 benkay: is there a checklist for the professional keyholder i've failed to find?

05:28:51 asciilifeform: wtf is a professional keyholder

05:29:03 benkay: i have a wot key

05:29:11 benkay: it is the sum of my identity 25 years from now

05:29:16 benkay: my whole business is tied up in this thing

05:29:21 benkay: i lose it, i lose everything

05:29:50 benkay: i'm interested in best practices for this sort of scenario.

05:30:07 asciilifeform: encrypt, using a process known only to you, and inject in the blockchain.

05:30:59 asciilifeform: (if you are not willing to pay what this costs, the payload cannot be important)

05:31:43 benkay: yeah, i'll buy that.

05:31:58 chetty: in the end a key based id is no different than the various numbers and stuff we use now, how do you protect those?

05:32:24 asciilifeform: 'pay' in the sense that stuffing bits in the blockchain costs.

05:33:29 benkay: what is the going rate per kb?

05:33:48 asciilifeform: benkay: depends on the actual mechanism used.

05:34:00 asciilifeform: under no circumstances should you tell us - or anyone else - which.

05:34:24 benkay: ah, right.

05:35:14 asciilifeform: programmatically pissing out transactions is trivial, use your imagination.

05:37:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00085899 = 5.2398 BTC [+] {2}

05:42:44 benkay: thank you, asciilifeform.

05:44:01 asciilifeform: benkay: remember that steganography, unlike cryptography, cannot be simultaneously strong and standardized.

05:44:28 asciilifeform: ('standardized stego' is the key hidden under door mat.)

05:49:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 3678 @ 0.00055795 = 2.0521 BTC [+] {8}

05:50:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.00085948 = 5.6726 BTC [+] {2}

05:51:44 benkay: mhm.

05:59:48 MisterE: Crimerians are happy the Russians are there

06:00:15 benkay: stuff like this as well: http://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-users/2005-December/027626.html

06:00:35 benkay: thumbs up or down on revocation certs safely stored offline?

06:01:16 benkay: i guess just another aspect of the problem we all face that we never talk about in public because just talking about it exposes your practices

06:01:23 benkay: sheeeeit

06:23:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 20 @ 0.0053666 = 0.1073 BTC [-]

06:25:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40150 @ 0.00085607 = 34.3712 BTC [-] {4}

06:34:04 Jakamoko: looks like mtgox got hacked again

06:34:09 Jakamoko: http://pastebin.com/W8B3CGiN

06:34:10 ozbot: [PHP] <?php namespace Money; class Bitcoin { #const BITCOIN_NODE = '173.224.12 - Pastebin.co

06:38:55 ThickAsThieves: sry of alrdy linked: http://two-bit-idiot.tumblr.com/post/78404559815/tbi-exclusive-more-resignations-coming-at-the-bitcoin

06:39:13 ThickAsThieves: Matonis and Vess resigning

06:40:21 ThickAsThieves: also, supposed gox leak http://pastebin.com/W8B3CGiN

06:41:04 ThickAsThieves: "nanashi____ who posted the leaked recording between Mark Karpeles and the Japanese bank also says there is a 20GB MySQL database. An unknown group is trying to decode it and retrieve non-personal information at the moment, and may release a torrent later."

06:41:11 ThickAsThieves: IRC log: http://pastebin.com/N7B5DC4d

06:42:02 ThickAsThieves: audio http://picosong.com/Y7di/

06:43:02 ThickAsThieves: supposedly boring conversation in japanese about laws

06:43:51 Jakamoko: supposedly they got access to the user's aml documentation

06:44:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 56 @ 0.0053666 = 0.3005 BTC [-]

06:48:34 benkay: kewl

06:54:50 chetty: Tim Cook has shocked some in the US with an impassioned attack on the single-minded pursuit of profit ? and a direct appeal to climate-change deniers not to buy shares in his firm.

06:55:56 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo ouch

06:58:34 benkay: ;;gpg eauth freenode:#bitcoin-otc:dcc0be6c1a24011e376ab8d29c7bbd11ab3a913e394fd3f41913c798

06:58:34 gribble: Error: This nick is not registered. Please register.

06:58:35 benkay:

06:58:50 benkay: buwaaat

06:58:59 benkay: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:dcc0be6c1a24011e376ab8d29c7bbd11ab3a913e394fd3f41913c798

06:58:59 gribble: You are now authenticated for user benkay with key 39F274AFBC7ACAC7

06:58:59 benkay:

07:06:51 KRS-One: .bait

07:06:52 ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4rd4aKvSt1qkv4ajo1_500.jpg

07:07:04 mircea_popescu: in new news : bitcoin scamdation running out of the us

07:07:16 KRS-One: BREAKING NEWS: USD transaction maleability issue. News at 11.

07:07:25 mircea_popescu: maybe this way they'll escape prosecution and everything

07:07:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.005602 = 0.112 BTC [+]

07:07:39 mircea_popescu: you'd think bfl's vleisides is advising them.

07:08:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.0054 = 0.135 BTC [+]

07:10:13 Apocalyptic: damn, i've been off for a while and it seems the gox drama is keeping on

07:12:31 mircea_popescu: o yeah, this is good drama, gotta keep it for at least a month.

07:13:26 Apocalyptic: the AML data leak kinda bothers me

07:14:55 mircea_popescu: because why ?

07:15:11 mircea_popescu: it's great, it will encourage anyone who isn't an imbecile to not send his data to aml bs.

07:15:54 mircea_popescu: bitcoin is here to kill aml anyway. why prolong its agony.

07:16:13 Apocalyptic: yeah I can agree on that

07:17:10 joecool: oh god i was missing this kind of scamming

07:17:13 joecool: so good

07:17:29 mircea_popescu: anyway. for the record : people quitting Bitcoin Foundation now are going to be getting exactly zero credit for it.

07:17:45 mircea_popescu: they should have quit when i said it's a scam, not wait till after i killed their piggybank.

07:34:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 171 @ 0.00540363 = 0.924 BTC [-] {7}

07:39:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 55 @ 0.0051002 = 0.2805 BTC [-] {7}

07:40:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 29 @ 0.00506247 = 0.1468 BTC [-] {4}

07:41:55 mircea_popescu: benkay well yes, the icelanders are under insane capital controls. what's the surprise here ?

07:43:39 bitcoinpete: hi

07:43:47 benkay: and yet the aurora coin people are nominally going to give coins to icelandic folk?

07:44:10 benkay: the surprise is that people buy this particular scam.

07:44:17 mircea_popescu: people will buy anything.

07:44:31 mircea_popescu: this is the problem with welfare : this sort of idiot should be on a starvation diet

07:44:38 mircea_popescu: that way you ensure any resources they have are judiciously expended.

07:44:55 mircea_popescu: if they have as much as one cent extra over what the bare minimum their sustenance requires,

07:45:05 mircea_popescu: they'll spend it to buy britney spears records and aurora coins

07:45:36 mircea_popescu: this is a serious problem, because one cent from one billion scum results in enough piled up money for shit like spears and aurora coin to pretenbd like they matter.

08:17:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5831 @ 0.00085548 = 4.9883 BTC [-] {2}

08:36:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.57 = 1.71 BTC [-] {2}

08:38:44 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=498002.new#new

08:38:45 ozbot: Calling out the Bitcoin Foundation Scam.

08:43:33 benkay: belabour

08:43:46 benkay: neat coinage

09:00:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00572531 = 0.2863 BTC [+] {5}

09:09:40 vexuall: Can I get a link to pankkakes mpex charting?

09:11:42 azi`: gah I hope the guys at gox didn't store the passwords in playintex

09:11:46 azi`: plaintext*

09:13:39 vexuall: Mark, ll keep running it from fraudblock on analdroid like nothings wrong

09:16:51 azi`: have u guys seen that someone stole personal data from gox just recently?

09:18:01 benkay: azi` you could check the logs

09:18:16 benkay: they're linked in the message of the day.

09:18:37 benkay: sorry nobody's around to tell you your news is stale on cue

09:18:55 vexuall: Ben10 can you point me to pankakke, s sexiness?

09:20:02 benkay: i think ihop's over thattaway baby doll

09:20:26 vexuall: Ugg

09:20:29 benkay: yo be a luv and hit us with some baile funk

09:21:45 vexuall: Jailhouse rock. Elvis

09:21:59 benkay: sounds like stupid old person music

09:23:10 benkay: hey and what happened to your nick

09:23:15 benkay: ;;gettrust Vexual

09:23:15 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user Vexual: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=Vexual | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Vexual | Rated since: never

09:23:39 benkay: you know vex you can get in the wot with just a btc wallet

09:24:27 vexuall: I dont have a notebook right now

09:26:19 vexuall: ;; gettrust Benkay

09:26:20 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user vexuall to user Benkay: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=vexuall&dest=Benkay | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Benkay | Rated since: Sun Mar 10 13:57:45 2013

09:26:42 benkay: yeah well how the fuck am i supposed to rate you if you're not even in the wot?!

09:27:00 vexuall: Who gives a fuck what I think?

09:27:09 benkay: you play sweet tunes

09:27:43 benkay: give it three years you might talk mp into flying you out to dj the next secret bitcoinspiracy con

09:28:46 Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, "The only reason TradeFortress wasn't similarly has to do with cash" // I believe the foundation vouched for him in the sense they published some logo or whatever advertising for inputs.io

09:29:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.08491521 = 0.1698 BTC [+]

09:33:42 vexuall: Tunnel time

09:34:54 vexuall: .bait

09:34:56 ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m38ywxlyOX1qa9gago1_500.jpg

09:38:08 Apocalyptic: amazingly it's still there : https://members.bitcoinfoundation.org/current

09:38:08 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

09:38:20 vexuall: Apo: proof of hack was invented long ago

09:42:53 vexuall: 2 year gox exploit? Bullshit

09:45:14 vexuall: Good luck buying a corner to piss in dux

09:47:54 dexX7_: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1zaqvy/bitstamp_email_list_used_to_spread_mtgox_malware/

09:47:55 ozbot: Bitstamp email list used to spread Mt.Gox malware : Bitcoin

09:52:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 8950 @ 0.0002 = 1.79 BTC [+]

09:53:56 vexuall: Such negligence

09:54:08 vexuall: Wow

09:55:48 dexX7_: this is probably teh end of bitcoin :(

09:55:49 vexuall: Such that an irc handle wont save you

09:56:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1900 @ 0.00020721 = 0.3937 BTC [+] {2}

09:56:35 vexuall: ;)

09:57:49 vexuall: Some dude said how the internet routs around fucktardery wnd cesorship

09:58:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3545 @ 0.00020999 = 0.7444 BTC [+] {3}

09:59:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.08495399 = 0.7646 BTC [+] {3}

09:59:52 HeySteve: vexuall, yeah but he said it about usenet

10:00:20 vexuall: Still a thing :)

10:00:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.08497585 = 0.3399 BTC [+] {4}

10:01:19 HeySteve: Chinese might not agree

10:01:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.59988999 = 1.1998 BTC [+]

10:01:52 vexuall: Do they have newsgroups?

10:05:10 vexuall: Alt.binaries.blockchain

10:08:00 vexuall: Not to be confused with atc. Altcoin

10:09:10 vexuall: ;; ug altcoin

10:09:11 gribble: Error: "ug" is not a valid command.

10:09:44 vexuall: Gimme love assbot

10:10:21 vexuall: .d

10:10:21 ozbot: 3.816 billion | Next Diff in 1582 blocks | Estimated Change: 3.8253% in 10d 13h 23m 22s

10:10:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0055 = 0.275 BTC

10:11:59 vexuall: Ugg

10:13:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 38 @ 0.08000553 = 3.0402 BTC [-] {5}

10:13:39 vexuall: Binaries.blockchain

10:14:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.08 = 0.32 BTC [-]

10:18:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02134426 = 0.1067 BTC [+] {2}

10:19:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 27 @ 0.0055 = 0.1485 BTC

10:21:19 vexuall: +o

10:23:46 vexuall: Fuck you assbot

10:24:09 wao-ender: v00h, this is hell wimmie crazy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFdHe-_82Xc

10:24:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0802 = 0.401 BTC [+] {3}

10:30:35 chetty: <dexX7_> this is probably teh end of bitcoin :( <<<<< what again???

10:31:00 dexX7_: hehe

10:31:12 dexX7_: it's different this time!

10:31:28 dexX7_: < kidding ;)

10:34:55 vexuall: Ugg I need a blog

10:39:05 vexuall: Warm yor cake hole corn hole sppooon fed fuckstick face by the fire

10:40:21 vexuall: Laughing time is over

10:45:13 wao-ender: any reccomendation on some bitcoin related-art?

10:48:48 cazalla: people buy bitcoin related art?

11:03:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.08000001 = 0.32 BTC [-] {2}

11:06:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.08000001 = 0.32 BTC [-]

11:10:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9950 @ 0.00085672 = 8.5244 BTC [+]

11:50:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0760015 = 0.228 BTC [-]

11:57:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07600002 = 0.532 BTC [-]

12:00:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3832 @ 0.00021 = 0.8047 BTC [+] {2}

12:15:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16950 @ 0.00085679 = 14.5226 BTC [+]

12:17:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.005377 = 0.4839 BTC [-] {3}

12:21:35 ThickAsThieves: yes the post is errored in that TF was a Silver Member of the BTCFundnation

12:22:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00536625 = 0.2147 BTC [-] {5}

12:25:01 wao-ender: TF?

12:25:14 ThickAsThieves: TradeFortress

12:25:28 ThickAsThieves: Inputs.io specifically

12:25:46 wao-ender: ah inputs..

12:26:01 ThickAsThieves: you can still see the Silver Member logo on his site today if you click thru www.inputs.io

12:32:34 nubbins`: wow, so bitstamp lost their email list? lel

12:33:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 28 @ 0.005366 = 0.1502 BTC [-]

12:34:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 22 @ 0.00516003 = 0.1135 BTC [-] {4}

12:38:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.044499 = 0.267 BTC [+]

12:42:51 HeySteve: we have the story of Karpele's fraud in France before he fled to Japan and started Gox - http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/2014/03/03/exclusive-tibanne-co-ltd-sentenced-2013-mark-karpeless-lies-new/

12:44:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 50 @ 0.0446 = 2.23 BTC [+]

12:46:35 ThickAsThieves: <nubbins`> wow, so bitstamp lost their email list? lel /// I'm skeptical

12:47:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.0447 = 0.4917 BTC [+]

12:47:23 nubbins`: "some random guy" isn't exactly a reliable source for news, hey

12:49:11 nubbins`: HeySteve, your site's layout is broken

12:52:38 ThickAsThieves: Doge Tips? ...

12:52:51 ThickAsThieves: way to lead an article...

12:54:05 ThickAsThieves: "As a result of one’s legitimate desire not to pay for a job failing to comply with the original agreement"

12:54:08 ThickAsThieves: that's leading

12:54:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4021 @ 0.00021049 = 0.8464 BTC [-] {2}

12:55:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 800 @ 0.0002105 = 0.1684 BTC [+]

12:55:21 ThickAsThieves: who takes delivery of a web dev project and THEN tests it? what web dev refunds money just cuz job isnt finished?

12:56:34 ThickAsThieves: so far this tells the story of every single web dev project ever

12:57:18 ThickAsThieves: "Mark Karpeles blatantly lied so as to hide an inexcusable fact: no development work had been done. "

12:57:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00085665 = 1.8846 BTC [-] {2}

12:57:21 ThickAsThieves: evidence?

12:58:24 ThickAsThieves: "Mr. Karpeles’s lies now knew no limit." sic?

12:58:34 ThickAsThieves: sorry

12:58:40 ThickAsThieves: ignore that i read it wrong :)

13:01:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 64 @ 0.00515102 = 0.3297 BTC [-] {2}

13:04:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07999283 = 0.32 BTC [+]

13:11:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07999323 = 0.7999 BTC [+] {2}

13:11:46 HeySteve: nubbins, what's up with the layout?

13:16:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7 @ 0.13311598 = 0.9318 BTC [-]

13:24:00 ThickAsThieves: "It's not a currency," he said. "I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't around in the next 10-20 years." "It's being priced off the dollar," Buffett added. "It is not a durable means of exchange."

13:31:47 taub_: heh

13:34:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 800 @ 0.00085679 = 0.6854 BTC [+]

13:36:29 chetty: <ThickAsThieves> who takes delivery of a web dev project and THEN tests it? what web dev refunds money just cuz job isnt finished? <<< The US Gov?

13:37:09 nubbins`: big ol' whitespace breaks going down the page

13:37:34 nubbins`: oh, actually, it's fine now. must've not loaded properly before.

13:37:58 nubbins`: chetty XD

13:40:04 ThickAsThieves: chetty 1, TAT 0

13:50:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.08 = 0.24 BTC [+] {2}

13:52:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28173 @ 0.0008568 = 24.1386 BTC [+] {2}

13:57:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0905 = 0.181 BTC [-]

14:00:52 Neil: I pointed out the >>= bug about 1 year ago. I got laughed at on the forums.

14:01:20 Neil: It's undefined behaviour to shift by an amount greater than or equal to the bitwidth of the type in C and C++. No such care was taken in the bitcoind codebase.

14:01:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.080125 = 1.282 BTC [+] {3}

14:01:58 Neil: The laughing was something like "Yeah we'll all care about that in 2200" which is fair enough; no way will the bug last that long. And you won't care before then.

14:02:20 nubbins`: heh.

14:02:23 Neil: But a bug it is; the code wouldn't pass muster in GCC which I used to maintain.

14:03:46 Neil: The problem is most coders don't know the language they're writing, nor do they care. Hence the crap we deal with. We need more Dan Bernsteins and Matt Dillons.

14:04:13 Neil: (though DJBs language conformance was pretty shit too)

14:04:50 Neil: Lemme find the link

14:07:08 Neil: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=118796.msg1294137#msg1294137

14:07:09 ozbot: So, what happens when bitcoins stop being produced?

14:07:35 Neil: Yeah so I'm zebedee on the fora

14:11:12 ThickAsThieves: "I can't think of any computer program that was running 130 years ago that is still running today." ...

14:12:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.091 = 0.182 BTC [+]

14:14:36 nubbins`: half that sentence isn't necessary

14:15:03 Neil: ThickAsThieves: The problem is, these are always signs that the dude that wrote it doesn't really know what they're doing. Hence why we're all running code with remote exploits.

14:15:04 nubbins`: actually, you could remove everything past the first three words

14:15:30 Neil: NSA doesn't have to try too hard.

14:16:16 Neil: When I release my bitcoin implementation, it may suck in many ways, but it won't have things like that in it.

14:16:18 nubbins`: twist: nsa foresaw digital currency and created bitcoin codebase so that a flawed implementation would ruin people on the idea

14:18:02 Neil: I guess I can celebrate understanding sthg mircea doesn't / didn't 24 hrs ago. There is no problem with the compilers; whatever they do is good; it's all in the language spec and doing something with no defined semantics.

14:18:26 ThickAsThieves: indeed, it also reminds me of the quantum mining guys somehow arguing that soliciting investors to create it would make them rich in bitcoins, while out the other side of their mouth saying that quantum invulnerable wallets can be made afterward

14:18:46 ThickAsThieves: also they'd open source the miners after they mined "enough"

14:18:51 ThickAsThieves: the whole thing was surreal

14:19:26 ThickAsThieves: what's worse is they weren't even scamming

14:19:30 ThickAsThieves: they believed it al

14:19:32 ThickAsThieves: l

14:19:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45100 @ 0.00085612 = 38.611 BTC [-] {2}

14:20:04 ThickAsThieves: this is of course why ethereum can't be taken seriously, etc

14:20:54 Neil: Huh? They were claiming they'd be rich exploiting something whose value would go to zero being exploited? They'd have to be quick and smart in how they did said "exploiting".

14:21:19 ThickAsThieves: they said so on a stage as well!

14:21:32 ThickAsThieves: there's no smart quickness about it

14:21:43 ThickAsThieves: the value would be zero

14:23:31 ThickAsThieves: they were deadly focused on the sexiness of achieving psuedo-quantum mining and being geekchic

14:24:02 KRS-One: quantum computing is teh sexy

14:24:04 KRS-One: .bait

14:24:05 ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/4c040e08118610beb5c147f2f8af9cfc/tumblr_mt4lryKehL1s3pvr1o1_1280.jpg

14:24:33 ThickAsThieves: (This was Vitalik Buterin and Jordan Ash, for the record)

14:26:07 ThickAsThieves: http://noospheer.wordpress.com/

14:26:08 ozbot: noospheer | The Quantum Graph

14:26:09 jurov: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1zf3di/bitstamp_and_kraken_can_you_respond_to_these/

14:26:11 ozbot: Bitstamp and Kraken, can you respond to these allegations by your competitor that you aren't complyi

14:26:32 ThickAsThieves: has Bitstamp responded?

14:27:41 jurov: seems not

14:28:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 20 @ 0.021399 = 0.428 BTC [+]

14:30:17 ThickAsThieves: i wonder how blurry the line is for getting banned from commenting at theverge

14:34:14 jurov: am i blind or did it just vanished from /r/Bitcoin/ ?

14:34:26 jurov: with >600 upvoes, it should be right there

14:34:44 jurov: anyone can check?

14:36:01 ThickAsThieves: [removed]

14:36:20 jurov: iiiinteresting

14:36:52 jurov: <davout> they told me i'm slanderous soul

14:36:58 jurov: inb4 ^

14:37:11 ThickAsThieves: does davout haz twitter?

14:37:21 davout: @Bitcoin_Central

14:37:25 davout: @davoutplantaire

14:37:31 ThickAsThieves: thx

14:37:43 davout: I used the former before, now I tweet under the latter

14:37:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 300 @ 0.000884 = 0.2652 BTC [+]

14:38:04 davout: jurov: o, you linked to me buttraping jesse powell :D

14:40:52 ThickAsThieves: davout makes mean posts on forums, therefore he is a liar and only trying to promote his business. Of course!

14:41:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 250 @ 0.0008848 = 0.2212 BTC [+]

14:42:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 170 @ 0.00088497 = 0.1504 BTC [+] {2}

14:42:03 ThickAsThieves: people now trust the con- more than the -vincing

14:44:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0914 = 0.457 BTC [+]

14:47:58 ThickAsThieves: i wondered what happened to The Genesis Block blog. It looks like they gave up writing and moved on to data

14:48:11 ThickAsThieves: good choice, i suppose

14:48:13 ThickAsThieves: http://thegenesisblock.com/

14:48:14 ozbot: The Genesis Block

14:50:21 ThickAsThieves: Bitstamp Websocket API now available: https://www.bitstamp.net/websocket/

14:52:54 nubbins`: http://filer.case.edu/dts8/thelastq.htm

14:53:37 nubbins`: ThickAsThieves: http://thegenesisblock.com/research/

14:55:08 ThickAsThieves: ah they just tucked it under a misleading name

14:55:17 ThickAsThieves: they used to post more though

14:55:35 Neil: KRS-One: good bait; I have a soft spot for the Asian ladies

14:55:42 nubbins`: yeah, "research" is a misnomer

14:58:18 Neil: Hmm discus fish goes from 56K blocks to 594K blocks.

14:58:50 Neil: Or is blockchain.info full of it?

15:03:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 32 @ 0.00512 = 0.1638 BTC [-]

15:05:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.00511 = 1.533 BTC [-]

15:08:49 mike_c: ok.. i give up. mpex turns off 70% of its revenue, the share price goes down basically 0%.

15:09:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 475 @ 0.00088668 = 0.4212 BTC [+] {3}

15:09:51 jurov: give up what?

15:09:58 mike_c: give up trying to understand.

15:10:06 jurov: welcome in the club

15:10:13 jurov: http://giant.gfycat.com/WholeCloudyConure.gif

15:11:06 mike_c: ^ lol. love it.

15:11:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5800001 = 1.16 BTC [-] {2}

15:13:04 ThickAsThieves: lol

15:14:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 61 @ 0.00510601 = 0.3115 BTC [-]

15:19:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 228 @ 0.00088788 = 0.2024 BTC [+]

15:21:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 862 @ 0.00021245 = 0.1831 BTC [+] {2}

15:23:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 300 @ 0.000888 = 0.2664 BTC [+]

15:25:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 443 @ 0.00511 = 2.2637 BTC [-] {2}

15:26:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.00510956 = 0.4599 BTC [-] {2}

15:28:56 ThickAsThieves: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRIJ_jpmwzo Ver says sorry for shilling

15:28:56 ozbot: Roger Ver on MTGOX Bankruptcy and Bitcoin - YouTube

15:29:45 ThickAsThieves: bets on how long before he apologizes for this one?

15:29:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17900 @ 0.00085612 = 15.3245 BTC [-]

15:31:12 ThickAsThieves: lol he namedrops ethereum...

15:36:09 davout: roger veere

15:49:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 250 @ 0.00088891 = 0.2222 BTC [+] {2}

15:54:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 21 @ 0.00523699 = 0.11 BTC [+] {2}

15:54:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 9 @ 0.021399 = 0.1926 BTC [+] {2}

15:59:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07800208 = 0.156 BTC [-] {2}

16:00:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0447 = 0.1788 BTC [+]

16:06:52 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

16:06:58 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 617.07, vol: 34737.99747344 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 600.02, vol: 19273.94613 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 618.0, vol: 24450.39495296 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 617.62, vol: 141.42750145 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 600.553359, vol: 9473.99400000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 618.59, vol: 34.37330871 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 618.4077, vol: 193.3986179 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)

16:07:18 BingoBoingo: Looks like the drama rally might be heating up

16:11:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58 BTC [-]

16:12:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0436004 = 0.218 BTC [-] {4}

16:12:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.091001 = 0.455 BTC [-] {3}

16:12:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.13311598 = 0.6656 BTC [-] {3}

16:12:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.07794499 = 3.1178 BTC [-] {3}

16:13:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0432505 = 0.173 BTC [-] {3}

16:13:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.091001 = 0.364 BTC [-] {3}

16:13:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.13311598 = 0.5325 BTC [-] {3}

16:13:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 85 @ 0.07307177 = 6.2111 BTC [-] {10}

16:14:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.58 = 1.74 BTC [-]

16:20:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 51 @ 0.00522999 = 0.2667 BTC [-] {2}

16:21:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.0429 = 0.3861 BTC [-]

16:22:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0890006 = 0.178 BTC [-] {2}

16:22:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.13311598 = 0.2662 BTC [-] {2}

16:23:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.089 = 0.178 BTC [-] {2}

16:23:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.13311598 = 0.2662 BTC [-]

16:26:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0914999 = 0.183 BTC [+] {2}

16:26:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.13311598 = 0.2662 BTC [-] {2}

16:26:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.00088985 = 0.8899 BTC [+] {3}

16:30:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1118 @ 0.00021 = 0.2348 BTC [-] {3}

16:31:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 88 @ 0.00538988 = 0.4743 BTC [+]

16:31:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07300335 = 0.219 BTC [-] {2}

16:32:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.07186666 = 1.078 BTC [-] {3}

16:32:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 4180 @ 0.0055 = 22.99 BTC

16:33:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 17 @ 0.58 = 9.86 BTC [-]

16:35:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2504 @ 0.0002002 = 0.5013 BTC [-] {8}

16:36:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1268 @ 0.0001938 = 0.2457 BTC [-] {7}

16:39:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.072 = 0.936 BTC [+]

16:48:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5700002 BTC [-]

16:55:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41200 @ 0.00085577 = 35.2577 BTC [-] {3}

16:58:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58 BTC [+]

16:59:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.36577410 BTC to 3`590 shares, 65899 satoshi per share

17:01:31 benkay: it's a mystery to me as well, mike_c

17:01:36 benkay: ready to play a game of catch-the-knife?

17:02:51 mike_c: except the knife isn't falling!

17:05:55 ThickAsThieves: while i'm not converted, mp did take the time to explain this already

17:07:41 mike_c: you mean http://fraudsters.com/2014/no-its-not-the-revenue/ ?

17:08:14 Duffer1: good morning

17:08:28 the20year2: Nice big trade today, joy

17:08:46 the20year2: Does mircea_popescu have a contingency plan if Russia rolls through Romania too?

17:11:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.13311598 = 0.7987 BTC [-]

17:14:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58 BTC [+]

17:15:43 ThickAsThieves: i dont recall which or how many articles covered the topic, but i recall them mostly boiling down to mpoe being the only sure thing in bitcoin to invest in.

17:16:33 ThickAsThieves: if anything can remain irrational longer than the marker, it's surely a creation of mircea_popescu ;)

17:16:40 ThickAsThieves: market*

17:19:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14350 @ 0.00085488 = 12.2675 BTC [-] {2}

17:25:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16185 @ 0.00085757 = 13.8798 BTC [+] {2}

17:26:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.090998 = 0.182 BTC [-] {2}

17:26:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-]

17:35:55 benkay: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:d380847cecd5806627a3b3890957c8abf829b0f91c3111495607da04

17:35:55 benkay:

17:35:57 gribble: You are now authenticated for user benkay with key 39F274AFBC7ACAC7

17:36:12 lalusch: casinobitco.in report online!

17:37:05 Duffer1: ?

17:37:53 benkay: lalusch: well give us a link why dontcha

17:39:07 lalusch: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B2SWZWkGJ1V3UEo0Q0lESk5nd0k&usp=sharing

17:39:08 ozbot: CasinoBitco.in - Public

17:39:11 lalusch: here you go

17:40:10 Namworld: These revenues suck

17:41:19 lalusch: yes

17:43:08 ThickAsThieves: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1zadbh/stratfor_examining_the_future_of_bitcoin/

17:43:09 ozbot: [Stratfor] Examining the future of Bitcoin : Bitcoin

17:45:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 400 @ 0.00512442 = 2.0498 BTC [-] {12}

17:45:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10412 @ 0.00085519 = 8.9042 BTC [-]

17:46:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.59990999 = 2.3996 BTC [+] {3}

17:49:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.0052001 = 0.286 BTC [+]

17:50:47 copumpkin: mircea_popescu: any luck with that key?

17:51:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00520011 = 0.26 BTC [+]

17:54:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 45 @ 0.0052001 = 0.234 BTC [-]

17:55:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 34 @ 0.00510012 = 0.1734 BTC [-] {2}

18:00:15 wao-ender: vov 710

18:00:47 ThickAsThieves: http://psychologicalinvestor.com/lib/real-markets/selling-bitcoin-froth-204/

18:00:47 ozbot: Selling the Froth: A Simple Hedged Forex Strategy for Bitcoin-Denominated Returns

18:00:57 ThickAsThieves: by Dr Greg

18:01:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 26 @ 0.00510014 = 0.1326 BTC [-]

18:02:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 145 @ 0.00510327 = 0.74 BTC [+] {4}

18:03:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 65 @ 0.00508463 = 0.3305 BTC [-] {5}

18:04:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 62 @ 0.00505001 = 0.3131 BTC [-] {3}

18:10:53 ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker

18:10:55 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 669.34, Best ask: 669.72, Bid-ask spread: 0.38000, Last trade: 669.34, 24 hour volume: 51163.03455737, 24 hour low: 553.0, 24 hour high: 710.0, 24 hour vwap: 612.981668613

18:10:57 benkay: "The fact that this type of strategy is ever viable at all seems to me to suggest at least one of two possible explanations: either the futures market is relatively inefficient and dominated by unhedged directional bets taken by gamblers and speculators, or the aggregate view of the Bitcoin capital markets is that the counterparty risk created by exchanges like ICBIT is too high to support strategies that require maintaining a position

18:10:58 benkay: thru to settlement in order to ensure profitability."

18:10:58 ThickAsThieves: nice

18:11:12 benkay: no fucking joke

18:11:23 benkay: little bit of column a, little bit of column b

18:11:59 BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: It's the drama bump

18:12:43 asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2014/03/amazon-macbook-fraud.htm

18:13:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 23 @ 0.00504804 = 0.1161 BTC [-] {5}

18:14:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 227 @ 0.00502 = 1.1395 BTC [-] {5}

18:14:37 BingoBoingo: https://encyclopediadramatica.es/P-p-p-powerbook

18:14:39 ozbot: P-p-p-powerbook - Encyclopedia Dramatica

18:14:57 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this one is considerably funnier

18:15:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 300 @ 0.00055001 = 0.165 BTC [+]

18:16:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 600 @ 0.00055 = 0.33 BTC [-] {2}

18:16:50 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Indeed, but it must be established that Apple Products are a serious hotbed of fraud

18:17:21 asciilifeform: the practical 'joke' in the piece isn't apple-specific

18:18:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 82 @ 0.00556126 = 0.456 BTC [+] {2}

18:18:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 29 @ 0.021399 = 0.6206 BTC [+]

18:19:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 110 @ 0.0056699 = 0.6237 BTC [+] {2}

18:19:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 19 @ 0.04259525 = 0.8093 BTC [-] {8}

18:19:38 BingoBoingo: No, but the high sticker prices seems to encourage bad behavior

18:20:51 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this is another one of those instances where the 'avoid ritually unclean things' formula is inadequate.

18:21:52 BingoBoingo: Definitely. The ritual cleasing is roughly as effictive as one of those "dream catchers" with an overly coarse net on a round wooden frame

18:21:53 asciilifeform: the only apple-specific detail in the plot is perhaps the difficulty of removing hdd in newer apple boxes for sanitation

18:22:09 asciilifeform: but this is 'coming soon to a cheap x86 box near you' at any rate

18:22:40 asciilifeform: soldered-down ssd is SOP on virtually all ARM boxes

18:22:50 asciilifeform: and those are quickly overtaking the winblows pc portable

18:23:38 asciilifeform: 'The Market Has Spoken' (TM) that disk doesn't need to be removable.

18:23:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 180 @ 0.00567497 = 1.0215 BTC [+]

18:23:46 asciilifeform: or accessible independent of the machine it was bought in.

18:23:55 BingoBoingo: For sure. Then there's the problem where business and education market products which seem to have longer time until then now usually come with firmware rooted by default.

18:24:26 asciilifeform: thinking that problem with modern hardware is limited to 'rooting' is a failure of imagination.

18:24:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 36 @ 0.00500015 = 0.18 BTC [-] {3}

18:24:53 asciilifeform: enemy does not need to remotely control the box if he can encourage you to voluntarily practice bad comsec.

18:24:56 asciilifeform: and opsec

18:25:28 asciilifeform: e.g. mailing a personal box with live (!) environment to somebody.

18:31:06 asciilifeform: incidentally, hardware vendors are 100% solid wall behind this crap

18:31:39 asciilifeform: they stand to win big from the fact of bureaucrats (government and corporate both) mandating destruction of a whole machine upon write-off

18:31:50 asciilifeform: rather than merely the disk, with the remainder hitting the surplus market

18:32:56 asciilifeform: there is probably already a custom hydraulic press on the market for puncturing 'ipads' and the like

18:33:01 FabianB: ;;ticker --market all

18:33:02 asciilifeform: with different punch settings for different brands

18:34:13 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 682.0, vol: 52866.12433201 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 658.0, vol: 31370.83532 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 679.99, vol: 40243.08080348 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 629.3236, vol: 14258.70400000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 663.98554, vol: 56.78902517 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 652.6025, vol: 346.6546334 | Volume-weighted last average: 670.529002883

18:34:42 BingoBoingo: I kind of imagined an Ipad destruction machine would "fold" the thing over a few times before puncturing.

18:35:35 asciilifeform: i have a dell laptop circa 2007 lying around in some box. it has a 'hammer here' target embossed on the bottom.

18:35:42 asciilifeform: (near the hdd cavity)

18:35:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00500008 = 2.5 BTC [-] {8}

18:36:04 asciilifeform: military bureaucrats traditionally keep this simple.

18:36:36 the20year2: could always just blow it up

18:36:37 asciilifeform: this was a machine with a deliberately non-standard (40mm?) mechanical drive

18:37:50 BingoBoingo: Well, a hammer is usually the right tool for this kind of job

18:38:22 asciilifeform: the point is, none of this is pushed by people concerned with actual security or whatnot

18:38:26 asciilifeform: it's 100% revenue maximization

18:40:31 BingoBoingo: OMG look what the Ripple shill and spyware guy said https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=498002.msg5485066#msg5485066

18:44:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 92 @ 0.005 = 0.46 BTC [-]

18:45:36 benkay: BingoBoingo: impossibru

18:46:23 BingoBoingo: Ya Rly

18:47:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.005 = 1.5 BTC [-]

18:51:04 benkay: fuck you BingoBoingo i want my five minutes back

18:51:25 BingoBoingo: benkay: You are welcome

18:51:59 benkay: someone is sporting a foundation lifetime member badge in that thread

18:52:02 benkay: fml

18:52:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 989 @ 0.00490001 = 4.8461 BTC [-] {2}

18:59:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.00499999 = 0.125 BTC [+]

18:59:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] [PAID] 1.18344475 BTC to 13`595 shares, 8705 satoshi per share

19:04:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 4 @ 0.05900001 = 0.236 BTC [-] {2}

19:09:38 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: know what's sad? with all of the bitcoin phoundation's public goatfucking, the most commonly used client remains: the one put out by them, or whatever well-connected scammer picks up the torch.

19:10:11 asciilifeform: at the moment, the idiots daren't take advantage of this fact

19:10:15 asciilifeform: but at some point, they will

19:10:25 asciilifeform: perhaps when qualified 'help' materializes.

19:10:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00085951 = 3.0942 BTC [+]

19:11:28 mod6: lol, goat-rapers

19:16:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1425 @ 0.000199 = 0.2836 BTC [-] {2}

19:16:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 3 @ 0.059 = 0.177 BTC [-] {2}

19:19:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 976 @ 0.0001901 = 0.1855 BTC [-] {2}

19:19:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21188 @ 0.00085954 = 18.2119 BTC [+] {2}

19:20:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2033 @ 0.00019 = 0.3863 BTC [-] {2}

19:21:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 777 @ 0.00019 = 0.1476 BTC [-] {3}

19:23:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 679 @ 0.00018909 = 0.1284 BTC [-] {3}

19:25:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5895 BTC [-]

19:29:26 kakobrekla: well, i can still negrate, despite the ban. at least something.

19:30:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.5895 = 1.7685 BTC [-]

19:33:17 BingoBoingo: I dunno if people really read the forum for things other than the neg ratings anyways

19:46:31 ThickAsThieves: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-03/former-central-banker-admits-they-are-making-it-they-go-along

19:46:34 ozbot: Former Central Banker Admits "[They] Are Making It Up As They Go Along" | Zero Hedge

19:49:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00085883 = 10.1342 BTC [-] {2}

19:51:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 833 @ 0.00018283 = 0.1523 BTC [-] {5}

19:53:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.073 = 0.219 BTC [+]

19:58:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 577 @ 0.00518739 = 2.9931 BTC [+] {4}

19:59:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07299998 = 0.146 BTC [-]

20:05:11 copumpkin: mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=j9cVWVcLU2w#t=351

20:06:23 BingoBoingo: Why can't these news agencies specify timezones http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/russias-invasion-of-ukraine-march-3-live-updates-338232.html

20:07:25 copumpkin: kyiv post

20:07:32 copumpkin: I think we can tell what timezone they're talking about

20:07:55 copumpkin: but yeah, I agree in general :P

20:08:02 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: since you seem to take an interest in the subject: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/03/reichstag-fire-in-kiev.html

20:10:32 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well my interest is largely due to http://bitbet.us/bet/769/crimea-2-electric-boogaloo/ which I hope to profit from on the "Yes" side by the arrival of Sradinian troops

20:11:49 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: betting on a proper, long-awaited nato vs. russian shooting war is great fun, but ww3 makes it a little hard to collect.

20:14:07 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: At the moment Bitbet seems the only real platform for hedging that risk which might deliver.

20:15:50 kakobrekla: but bitbet is scam http://bitbet.us/bet/621/any-altcoin-will-surpass-litecoin-in-market-capitalization/#c2535

20:16:01 kakobrekla: just ask reddit!

20:16:29 ThickAsThieves: interesting

20:16:51 BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: They forget that Bitbet and not Reddit is the court though.

20:17:19 ThickAsThieves: so aurawracoin is already trading? before it's been distributed to every Icelandian?

20:17:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59 BTC [+]

20:17:34 ThickAsThieves: which glorius exchange?

20:17:41 kakobrekla: just you wait and see how fast people stop using this shit court.

20:18:40 BingoBoingo: I wonder how much it costs people to retain this dude's services a'la med 20th century Boxing http://mlb.mlb.com/cutfour/index.jsp#contentId=68612078

20:19:25 ThickAsThieves: .088btc for one AUR?!

20:19:57 BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Just like 0.032 BTC for a Novacoin!!!

20:20:18 ThickAsThieves: i wish the bet was worded better though

20:20:19 BingoBoingo: I February 2013

20:20:35 ThickAsThieves: like must have 250BTC trades in a 30-day period

20:20:37 ThickAsThieves: or whatever

20:21:11 ThickAsThieves: it says "ends up"

20:21:15 ThickAsThieves: wtf is that?

20:21:47 ThickAsThieves: does it mean on that date of closure?

20:22:07 ThickAsThieves: i guess thatd be the best way

20:22:18 kakobrekla: it would imply so

20:22:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.0843275 = 0.7589 BTC [+] {2}

20:26:04 ThickAsThieves: this twitter thing in no fun if no one responds

20:26:09 ThickAsThieves: is

20:26:22 BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Who are you trying to engage?

20:26:53 ThickAsThieves: scammers and shills

20:27:15 ThickAsThieves: they so trollsilient

20:27:36 ThickAsThieves: https://twitter.com/Bitcoin_Assets

20:27:37 ozbot: Bitcoin Error Log (Bitcoin_Assets) on Twitter

20:30:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59 BTC [+]

20:32:56 BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Don't worry, they respond eventually.

20:33:13 BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: You may also need to pick some better targets

20:37:38 ThickAsThieves: suggestions?

20:39:52 BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Well you have to scope the people out a bit first and remember people like @maxkeister take the same approach to criticism Pirateat40 did, they ignore it.

20:40:50 ThickAsThieves: meh too much work

20:40:53 deadweasel: ^

20:41:41 BingoBoingo: Like anything else the additional work is really very little when you know what to look for.

20:41:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5606 @ 0.00085998 = 4.821 BTC [+]

20:42:21 ThickAsThieves: i take this very seriously

20:43:33 BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: A nice first step is checking your feed for Maybe controversial tweets from people you follow. If there are a lot of responses call out some of the idiots.

20:43:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0424 = 0.1696 BTC [-]

20:44:11 ThickAsThieves: that worked before i think

20:44:15 ThickAsThieves: it's ok

20:44:28 ThickAsThieves: i dont need acknowledgement from the targets though

20:44:32 ThickAsThieves: i know they read it

20:44:38 ThickAsThieves: and their heart hurts a little

20:45:04 mod6: troll those feeds!

20:45:33 Duffer1: pretty much anyone related to the bitcoin foundation or max keiser should provide you with ample work TaT

20:49:08 deadweasel: what's the goal here, anyway?

20:49:29 ThickAsThieves: no goal

20:49:45 ThickAsThieves: just my first time twittering in any notable quantity

20:50:13 ThickAsThieves: i'll probably bore of it in a couple weeks

20:51:29 ThickAsThieves: i mean, to fix the world. that's my goal

20:51:46 ThickAsThieves: by fix, i mean, make it what i think it should be at any given moment, ofc

20:53:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 163 @ 0.0055 = 0.8965 BTC

20:56:28 ThickAsThieves: Ken Slaughter video http://www.news-leader.com/article/20140302/BUSINESS04/303020022/Bitcoin-Springfield-mining-machines-Slaughter

20:57:31 ThickAsThieves: ;;genrate 7000

20:57:32 gribble: The expected generation output, at 7000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 3815723798.81, is 0.000922589212592 BTC per day and 3.84412171913e-05 BTC per hour.

20:57:56 ThickAsThieves: he says his avalons make $150/day

20:58:04 BingoBoingo: ;;genrate 400000

20:58:06 gribble: The expected generation output, at 400000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 3815723798.81, is 0.0527193835767 BTC per day and 0.00219664098236 BTC per hour.

20:59:02 ThickAsThieves: "Well i called and talked to Ken today and he said Just Watch what happens in 3 weeks So i think that is the good news he is talking about, So i will wait the 3 weeks and reserve my judgement of everything till then"

21:01:48 ThickAsThieves: The FCC has issued a $1.9 million fine against Viacom, NBC Universal, and ESPN for their promotions of 2013 action movie Olympus has Fallen. According to a filing, it started receiving complaints in March of 2013, when Viacom-owned Comedy Central aired a trailer containing the two-tone emergency signal. The trailer aired several more times on other channels over the following days, and

21:01:48 ThickAsThieves: viewers weren't happy. "This is misleading and had our entire family running to the TV to find out what was going on, only to find it was a commercial," reads one complaint.

21:02:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 102 @ 0.0050004 = 0.51 BTC [-] {4}

21:03:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1498 @ 0.00500003 = 7.49 BTC [-] {3}

21:05:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 110 @ 0.005 = 0.55 BTC [-] {3}

21:09:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 20 @ 0.13311598 = 2.6623 BTC [-]

21:18:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61700 @ 0.00086145 = 53.1515 BTC [+] {4}

21:26:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.09099999 = 0.455 BTC [+]

21:56:45 nubbins`: ^ such a saucy quit msg :0

21:58:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 168 @ 0.00499839 = 0.8397 BTC [-] {5}

21:59:13 mircea_popescu: Neil yah actually that article of yours is what my intel people hit me over the head with

21:59:34 mircea_popescu: i remembered there's something amiss but didn't actually remember wtf it was so i ended up being all derpy about it.

22:06:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 24 @ 0.08916749 = 2.14 BTC [-] {3}

22:09:57 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic yeah, sorta what he could get.

22:10:35 mircea_popescu: dexX7 yeah, they managed to lose their customer db a week or two ago. maybe that's all they lost, who's to know at this point.

22:10:41 cazalla: reading the casinobitco.in feb report - if bitcoin price is lower, would it be right to assume people would be more bitcoin as it's worth less?

22:10:57 cazalla: yet they seem to blame low price on less bets

22:11:34 cazalla: and no - i did not buy any of this i just like to read what people are doing

22:11:39 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves on the other hand, i'd be fucking amazed if buffett is still around in 10 years

22:11:41 mircea_popescu: let alone 20.

22:11:42 ThickAsThieves: well that's how it happene dwith sdice

22:11:58 ThickAsThieves: if it holds true it would be an indicator now that casinobit is dwindling

22:12:02 mircea_popescu: cazalla if there's some such effect, it'd conceivably show slower than one month

22:12:20 jcpham: dat gox shitshow

22:12:21 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Generally, advanced age can get people to go away

22:12:40 cazalla: they are blaming lower volume on lower price but i would think vol would be higher with lower price

22:12:42 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo and before it does, it can get people to be unable to evaluate the future.

22:12:58 mircea_popescu: o wow look at this, mpoe-pr forum heroin nao ?

22:13:02 mircea_popescu: or how do you say, heroess ?

22:13:30 cazalla: heroine?

22:13:31 jcpham: mircea_popescu I told someone that MPOE-PR was light years ahead of mtgox the other day

22:13:33 cazalla: heroiness?

22:13:35 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I think now the trend is China White, or Heroine

22:13:38 jcpham: pretty sure they agreed

22:13:40 kakobrekla: cazalla got a link to that

22:13:50 mircea_popescu: Neil when do you release such a wonder anyway ?

22:13:56 mike_c: the guy is 83, he gets a pass. he has quite a track record of not being stupid.

22:14:02 cazalla: kakobrekla: https://www.havelockinvestments.com/reportdownload.php?id=70 page 4

22:14:11 mircea_popescu: mike_c he easily gets a pass from me too, he can say whatever the fuck he wants

22:14:17 mircea_popescu: doesn't mean i'll agree with what he says tho

22:14:41 kakobrekla: a pdf.

22:15:14 kakobrekla: which includes google docs spreadsheet link.

22:15:32 mircea_popescu: Neil at any rate, i wasn't saying there's something wron with the compilers, i said it depends how shit's implemented. basically, a write-out of "undefined"

22:15:32 kakobrekla: why is the report not on facebook

22:15:38 mike_c: which shows a complete lack of ability to run a sportsbook.

22:15:41 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla because facebook is for porn

22:15:43 mircea_popescu: o no wait.

22:16:50 mircea_popescu: jurov wait, reddit deletes threads ?

22:17:01 mircea_popescu: nah it's there, or at least i see it.

22:17:27 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Twitter is for porn http://deadspin.com/the-cardinals-are-very-embarrassed-by-carlos-martinezs-1530572369

22:18:17 mircea_popescu: blergh.

22:18:26 mircea_popescu: hopefully the idiot got told to get fucked by the team.

22:19:06 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Throws a baseball too good for that. Was told to just watch actual porn and skip the tweets

22:19:20 mircea_popescu: not that idiot. the other idiot.

22:19:29 BingoBoingo: Ah

22:19:32 mircea_popescu: "Matheny told two reporters this morning that he spoke privately to Martinez and that he addressed the team again about their actions on social media this morning."

22:19:37 mircea_popescu: matheny needs to be out of a job.

22:19:49 mircea_popescu: this sort of irresponsible behaviour on his part is intolerable by a major.

22:20:05 mircea_popescu: anyway, if i owned the cardinals he'd be fired.

22:20:06 BingoBoingo: Problem is he is too good as well, at being grumpy and old.

22:20:13 mircea_popescu: fuck him.

22:20:28 mircea_popescu: you don't like porn, you don't get to work.

22:20:33 mircea_popescu: queue at the soup kitchen.

22:20:47 BingoBoingo: Well, when BTC tops $10,000 Maybe buy the Cardinals? Play at MPEx stadium?

22:20:52 benkay: http://bitbet.us/bet/621/any-altcoin-will-surpass-litecoin-in-market-capitalization/

22:20:55 ozbot: BitBet - Any altcoin will surpass Litecoin in market capitalization

22:21:08 benkay: mircea_popescu: u gon have a headache with that one

22:21:09 mircea_popescu: i'd rather buy something cool.

22:21:17 mircea_popescu: benkay tell me about it.

22:21:30 benkay: the "any coin" clause

22:21:40 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Make it a troll buy around $100k/BTC Matheny will prolly still be there by then.

22:22:04 mircea_popescu: ;;google how much did the cardinals cost last time

22:22:04 gribble: St. Louis Cardinals - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Louis_Cardinals; Red Sox World Series Tickets 81% Higher Than Cardinals ... - Forbes: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jesselawrence/2013/10/20/red-sox-world-series-tickets-81-higher-than-cardinals-tickets-for-fall-classic/; St Louis Cardinals on the Forbes MLB Team Valuations List: (1 more message)

22:22:15 mircea_popescu: meh

22:23:07 mircea_popescu: mike_c i have no idea dood, i went to bed fully expecting to see it way lower. i come back... it's gone from 86-87 to what, 84ish

22:23:40 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: $150 million in 1995

22:24:04 mircea_popescu: owch. even at $100k / btc, it'll prolly be 10k btcs or some shit. seems excessive.

22:24:24 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You forget that whol 'Murica collapsing part.

22:26:11 mircea_popescu: copumpkin can i get a summary ? i just fucking banned youtube.

22:26:26 BingoBoingo: 100k/BTC might be as forgetable a milestone as silver parity

22:26:41 copumpkin: mircea_popescu: the pope saying "cazzo"

22:26:45 copumpkin: during an address

22:26:45 mircea_popescu: haha

22:26:49 mircea_popescu: wait

22:26:53 mircea_popescu: isn't hte pope argentine ?!

22:26:58 mircea_popescu: he cusses in italian ?!

22:26:59 copumpkin: yeah, giving a speech in italian

22:27:08 copumpkin: it was a mistake, he was trying to say "caso"

22:27:20 copumpkin: :P

22:27:25 mircea_popescu: holy perra hermano!

22:27:28 copumpkin: but it was unambiguously cazzo

22:27:39 mircea_popescu: o i c

22:29:28 mircea_popescu: til : spanish is quite well gender balanced :

22:29:33 mircea_popescu: Then I touched her cunt.

22:29:33 mircea_popescu: Entonces le toqu? la concha.

22:29:33 mircea_popescu: Entonces le toqu? el mico.

22:29:33 mircea_popescu: Entonces le toque el co?o.

22:29:33 mircea_popescu: Entonces le toque la panocha.

22:29:40 mircea_popescu: two masculine cunts, two feminine cunts.

22:29:44 mircea_popescu: jic.

22:30:46 mircea_popescu: lmao ken slaughter says THREE weeks ?

22:30:47 mircea_popescu: scam.

22:31:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 137 @ 0.00495005 = 0.6782 BTC [-]

22:32:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 20 @ 0.00648 = 0.1296 BTC [+] {2}

22:35:16 Duffer1: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=462370.msg5480240#msg5480240

22:35:18 ozbot: [ActiveMining] Official Shareholder Discussion Thread [Moderated]

22:36:21 BingoBoingo: http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2014/03/03/kennesaw-state-orders-museum-remove-are-racist-past-woman-whose-land-was-given#.UxR6DSFZPmM.twitter

22:36:22 ozbot: Kennesaw State orders museum to remove are on racist past of woman whose land was given to universit

22:36:43 Duffer1: common B-A injuries: severe bruising from facepalm repetition, permanent eyeroll syndrome

22:37:24 mircea_popescu: wait women are a race ?

22:37:36 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Maybe to aspies?

22:38:27 mircea_popescu: "Out of this cesspool of vice rises that hideous monster, a possible menace to every home in the South. He has the savage nature and murderous instincts of the wild beast, plus the cunning and lust of a fiend."

22:38:29 mircea_popescu: ouch.

22:39:00 asciilifeform: took a break from my usual doings, wrote psot:

22:39:02 asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1446

22:39:02 mircea_popescu: "But her legacy has always been tarnished by the racist views that launched her career." / "but we've never managed to cope with the fact that people in the past did not think very much of the stereotypes we today hold dear"

22:39:03 ozbot: Loper OS » Modern Chumpatronic Engineering.

22:39:43 mircea_popescu: omgspam

22:39:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18552 @ 0.00085969 = 15.949 BTC [-]

22:39:52 BingoBoingo: Ban SPAM!!!

22:41:19 kakobrekla: sorry about that.

22:41:47 BingoBoingo: Is Diablo-D3 still banned?

22:41:53 kakobrekla: no

22:42:08 mircea_popescu: is anyone still banned ?

22:42:16 kakobrekla: no

22:42:34 mircea_popescu: are you married ?

22:42:39 kakobrekla: no

22:42:48 mircea_popescu: do you mind if we keep asking you questions until you answer yes ?

22:42:56 kakobrekla: no

22:43:11 mircea_popescu: did you ever have sex with an eskimo and/or navy seal ?

22:43:23 kakobrekla: no

22:43:36 mircea_popescu: anything good on tv ?

22:43:41 kakobrekla: no

22:43:48 mircea_popescu: did you write a script for this yet ?

22:43:54 kakobrekla: no

22:44:14 mircea_popescu: did you accept jesus in your heart and other cavities ?

22:44:30 kakobrekla: well, not at the same time.

22:44:34 mircea_popescu: lol

22:44:44 mircea_popescu: aite, i'm satisfied.

22:44:57 kakobrekla: k

22:45:34 wao-ender: lul http://blog.magicaltux.net/2010/06/27/php-can-do-anything-what-about-some-ssh/

22:55:02 BingoBoingo: Texas since #BitcoinTexas is a hashtag http://gawker.com/family-that-gets-arrested-for-meth-together-makes-out-i-1535467958

22:55:35 mircea_popescu: ahaha

22:56:47 mircea_popescu: wait, so siblings may not kiss in the us ?!

22:57:07 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Generally not

22:57:12 mircea_popescu: uh.

22:57:23 mircea_popescu: fucking weird country that.

22:57:29 wao-ender: indeed.

22:57:32 wao-ender: such normal in Europe.

22:57:46 mircea_popescu: She said the two had been living in a motel with her 2-year-old twin daughters

22:57:50 BingoBoingo: Arised because another TwoBitIdiot like account https://twitter.com/ryanxcharles raised the issue of a Bitcoin Texas nonference

22:57:54 mircea_popescu: dude wtf, living in a motel ? what's that, like 50 bucks a night?

22:58:22 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Depends on the motel, could go as low as $50 a week if the interstate is too fat.

22:58:30 BingoBoingo: or far

22:58:32 mircea_popescu: "How many incestuous half siblings does it take to screw in a lightbulb? You do the meth." << ahaha

22:58:39 mircea_popescu: gawker comments way better than gawker

22:58:59 BingoBoingo: For sure. Like Slashdot, or Ars.

23:00:22 mircea_popescu: "wow! this website is a scam, can we get a link to reddit and bitcointalk.org protest time!"

23:00:29 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla what the fuck are we doing with that retarded altcoin bet.

23:00:45 kakobrekla: kill all humans.

23:01:07 BingoBoingo: Flip a coin?

23:01:34 BingoBoingo: Preferably on of thickastheives's altcoins?

23:01:58 mircea_popescu: no but srsly.

23:02:03 wao-ender: I like it

23:02:08 wao-ender: huge pot in

23:02:32 kakobrekla: first of all

23:02:43 kakobrekla: what does "ends up" zactly mean

23:02:50 mircea_popescu: first of all i'm banning that retarded site, it's a signal about as good as pissing in the snow.

23:03:01 wao-ender: :D

23:03:04 mircea_popescu: http://coinmarketcap.com/ bs.

23:03:05 ozbot: Crypto-Currency Market Capitalizations | Bitcoin Ripple Auroracoin Litecoin Peercoin Dogecoin Nxt Ma

23:03:06 wao-ender: I like art in snow.

23:03:12 wao-ender: with piss

23:03:50 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla it's... ambiguous

23:03:52 mircea_popescu: 0.o

23:04:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0432 = 0.1728 BTC [+]

23:05:46 kakobrekla: even more interesting is

23:06:00 kakobrekla: that the bet does not exclude ripple

23:06:12 mircea_popescu: ripple is not a coin tho

23:06:19 benkay: what is a coin?

23:06:27 kakobrekla: who am i?

23:06:29 mircea_popescu: gotta have a blockchain at a minimum neh ?

23:06:39 kakobrekla: they have some sort of blockchain

23:06:41 mircea_popescu: i mean otherwise what, facebook is a coin

23:07:27 wao-ender: it isn't ?!

23:07:47 mircea_popescu: mk ima go take a coinpiss and brb

23:07:51 kakobrekla: im selling all my facebucks then.

23:07:55 wao-ender: use buttcoins only please.

23:08:07 mircea_popescu: no but srsly, i have a serious problem just giving 15 btc to some dorks who went and did what basically ?

23:08:16 mircea_popescu: aurora coin has nothing, atc is more fleshed out than it.

23:08:34 mircea_popescu: "we are going to help iceland"

23:08:42 mircea_popescu: it's not even fucking legal to trade btc in iceland.

23:08:51 kakobrekla: but at the end of the day its what the bet sez and what you can prove not what the truth is.

23:08:51 wao-ender: yeah

23:09:04 wao-ender: but aur doubled, nice pump & dump

23:09:13 benkay: it /is/ a coin.

23:09:19 kakobrekla: bitfury was such example.

23:09:20 benkay: just like atc and ltc and dgc

23:09:24 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla this is also true

23:09:46 mircea_popescu: "#2551 5,638 BTC volume."

23:09:59 mircea_popescu: where is it even listed ?

23:10:08 kakobrekla: i was wondering myself

23:10:13 kakobrekla: didnt find it

23:10:23 decimation: asciilifeform your blog post is good. I think the root of the issue (the reason why chumps bow prostrate to their masters) is that the chumps fail to distinguish fantasy from reality

23:10:48 decimation: a trustworth bitcoin exchange should exist, this is an exchange, therefore it is trustworthy?

23:10:55 mike_c: mircea_popescu: it at least makes me feel better that you were surprised too.

23:11:03 kakobrekla: it could be the guys set up something nonpublic and gave the guy the feed

23:11:06 mircea_popescu: decimation you ever read that grand tlp piece re trading ?

23:11:10 kakobrekla: now they just herp derp there

23:11:14 kakobrekla: while everyone is scratching heads

23:11:28 decimation: not sure, possibly

23:11:57 mircea_popescu: mike_c i capitulated re s.mpoe price making any sense like a year ago

23:12:13 mircea_popescu: i dun claim to understand it. maybe better minds later on.

23:13:05 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=498522.0;all

23:13:07 ozbot: MtGox source code leaked ...

23:13:08 mircea_popescu: o hey look at that.

23:13:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.08916021 = 0.4458 BTC [-] {3}

23:14:11 joecool: posting this so nobody loses sleep

23:14:12 joecool: <MagicalTux> [07:10:14] <joecool> MagicalTux: kalyhost going to continue operations? <- that's the plan

23:14:41 mircea_popescu: "Does Deutsche Bank use php? Does HSBC use fucking MYSQL??? Do any of those banks comment out lines in production code for debugging?!?!?!?"

23:14:50 mircea_popescu: i suspek forum noobs would be mighty surprised.

23:15:02 decimation: I would be shocked if they didn't

23:15:04 joecool: probably all asp, the pinnacle of security

23:15:05 wao-ender: no, fortran!

23:15:15 mircea_popescu: joecool anyone use them other than forum ?

23:15:18 mike_c: bank software is probably terrible. i highly doubt they have good programmers.

23:15:40 mircea_popescu: anyway, commented out lines in production software are more common than web designers.

23:15:41 joecool: mike_c: windows server 2003 is stable ok?

23:16:00 mircea_popescu: heck, linux kernel has commented out lines

23:16:06 mircea_popescu: (or at least had, i'm not really following)

23:16:40 joecool: mircea_popescu: still does, i need to see how many uses of "fuck" they still have in source

23:16:46 mike_c: commented out lines are pretty bad (or at least a pet peeve). that's what source control is for.

23:16:48 joecool: used to have a tracker for that

23:16:50 decimation: what's wrong with commenting out lines of code? they are crumbs for students

23:17:21 mike_c: what's wrong is they make the code less readable, thereby making it harder for the 2nd programmer who has to touch the code.

23:17:29 joecool: mostly scheduler stuff, because nobody can make up mind how how to schedule tasks for 64k cpu's vs. a typical desktop

23:17:31 kakobrekla: i dont think forum is still on kalyhost

23:17:50 mircea_popescu: joecool > 42

23:17:58 kakobrekla: joecool well, he thought and say same for gox.

23:17:59 joecool: kakobrekla: well its ok though, MT says kalyhost is staying in operation

23:18:02 joecool: we have to believe him

23:18:05 mircea_popescu: mike_c pet or nonpet, fact.

23:18:19 Bugpowder: mircea_popescu: who cares about source code

23:18:34 Bugpowder: 20GB of user docs leacked

23:18:36 kakobrekla: am i the only one so retarded to read the footer of the forum

23:18:37 kakobrekla: >Sponsored by Private Internet Access, a Bitcoin-accepting VPN.

23:18:43 mircea_popescu: a ok

23:18:50 mircea_popescu: wait vpn ?

23:18:53 mircea_popescu: forum is on virtual hosting ?

23:19:04 kakobrekla: vpn is not vps

23:19:04 mircea_popescu: i guess that's kind-of impressing actually.

23:19:12 mircea_popescu: o

23:19:13 kakobrekla: but afaik they host them

23:19:17 mircea_popescu: yeah my blind.

23:19:27 mircea_popescu: Bugpowder this is re the very concerning leak at mtgox,

23:19:39 mircea_popescu: in that ~20gb worth of idiots' passport scans are now in the wild.

23:19:53 Bugpowder: yeah.... GOD DAMN IT

23:19:55 mircea_popescu: these are EXTREMELY vulnerable people, because most of them have either forced their bank to accept "weird" txs

23:20:03 mircea_popescu: or even signed ok's for "weird" txs.

23:20:19 mircea_popescu: getting out of an identity theft mess will be a royal pain in the loins

23:20:29 Bugpowder: http://pastebin.com/N7B5DC4d

23:20:29 ozbot: Goxed - Pastebin.com

23:20:49 Bugpowder: My friends are not happy

23:20:52 Bugpowder: nor am I

23:20:58 mircea_popescu: i can' read all that. exec summary ?

23:21:10 Bugpowder: just find nanashi and read all his comments

23:21:10 mircea_popescu: a ok

23:21:22 Bugpowder: he didn't hack it

23:21:27 Bugpowder: they may release a torrent

23:21:43 Bugpowder: they say no personal info released of users

23:21:49 Bugpowder: they won't release personal info

23:22:02 Bugpowder: (probably they will sell that instead of leak it :(

23:22:18 Bugpowder: That motherfuckering tool.

23:22:32 mircea_popescu: derp.

23:22:43 mircea_popescu: Bugpowder ya well who toldja to use gox.

23:22:58 Bugpowder: You said OTC

23:22:59 TATrilllaInTehMi: I think u gotta take 'ends up' as 'when this bet closes'

23:23:08 Bugpowder: little did I expect OTC to be the SAFE routh

23:23:10 Bugpowder: route

23:24:13 mircea_popescu: yeah well.

23:24:15 decimation: well, at the very least with OTC damage is limited and healing

23:24:21 mircea_popescu: ^

23:24:24 Bugpowder: The user data all stored in mySQL

23:24:31 mircea_popescu: this is what strategic soundness is

23:25:18 Bugpowder: Dude was more concerned with putting a frappachino cafe in his own fucking building than using svn.

23:25:24 mircea_popescu: course, it IS possible the leaked thing is not actually their code.

23:25:29 asciilifeform: http://pastebin.com/2QvBdNea

23:25:30 ozbot: Name Home Mobile Personal Email Emergency Contact Emergency Number Adam Turner - Pastebin.com

23:25:33 asciilifeform: karpeles had a wife?

23:25:57 mircea_popescu: "I think what concerns me more than anything is that they're rounding some of their values."

23:25:59 mircea_popescu: wow.

23:26:54 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform https://picasaweb.google.com/100317866314689750892/ProfilePhotos

23:27:31 mircea_popescu: lol o look, twitter beleeted, picasa beleeted, aww.

23:27:33 asciilifeform: was something there?

23:27:36 Bugpowder: borked

23:27:45 asciilifeform: empty now.

23:27:50 kakobrekla: maybe its his cat.

23:28:08 Bugpowder: Apple Pie?

23:28:11 mircea_popescu: kinda fun that everyone was acutally fucking japanese girls.

23:28:24 mircea_popescu: imagine these kids, you know ? buncha weaboos start card trading website

23:28:33 mircea_popescu: end up affording to move to japan and pork lolis all dai

23:28:45 mircea_popescu: talk about living the dream.

23:28:54 asciilifeform: well, 'first ecstasy, then laundry.'

23:29:01 TATrilllaInTehMi: is the fill fox DB in the wild yet?

23:29:08 TATrilllaInTehMi: full

23:29:19 decimation: they never did the laundry apparently

23:29:28 mircea_popescu: TATrilllaInTehMi afawk.

23:30:05 ivet: can anyone direct me to a good irc channel for bitstamp trading?

23:30:07 TATrilllaInTehMi: afawk=dunno?

23:30:34 BingoBoingo: ivet: Maybe get a cloak first?

23:30:35 mircea_popescu: as far as we know

23:30:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.07727271 = 0.85 BTC [-] {6}

23:30:48 mircea_popescu: does #bitstamp exist ?

23:30:49 TATrilllaInTehMi: I know

23:31:19 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=498002.msg5492674#msg5492674 << check out karpeles' sock doing damage control.

23:31:20 ozbot: Calling out the Bitcoin Foundation Scam.

23:31:21 mircea_popescu: such noobs, le wow.

23:31:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18600 @ 0.00085761 = 15.9515 BTC [-] {2}

23:31:48 BingoBoingo: Oh, moar anti-porn n00bs http://deadspin.com/which-knbr-employee-is-downloading-huge-amounts-of-porn-1535336358

23:32:17 kakobrekla: bitstamp tard came spamming re bitstamp back in 2012 or what was it, to such extent that he got a k-line

23:32:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 400 @ 0.00494475 = 1.9779 BTC [-] {4}

23:36:17 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

23:36:23 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 680.0, vol: 65736.15109940 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 643.2, vol: 41149.86071 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 680.0, vol: 49700.76269936 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 644.809386, vol: 16392.57100000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 670.89335, vol: 67.80058344 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 663.4488, vol: 419.40543934 | Volume-weighted last average: 667.901191362

23:36:36 kakobrekla: >Dj Dope

23:36:37 kakobrekla: 12:32 AM (3 minutes ago) > hey guys can you resolve this as a yes, aurora already almost doubled and everyone else agrees? thanx

23:36:38 BingoBoingo: Looks like BTC has serious drama support this week

23:36:48 kakobrekla: ....

23:37:14 kakobrekla: mp everyone else agrees.

23:37:35 kakobrekla: that has to be THE merit.

23:37:52 kakobrekla: what u say eh

23:37:54 ThickAsThieves: i left a disagree

23:38:55 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yes everyone agrees, let's send the winners to gox.

23:39:09 BingoBoingo: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=339544.msg5491951#msg5491951

23:39:11 ozbot: BitBet Stole ~$7,000 from me (10 BTC)

23:39:20 mircea_popescu: i dunno, to me this entire shit looks like a transparent attempt of the quoted site to made 10 btc or w/e.

23:39:43 mircea_popescu: the entire auroracoin thing looks like it cost less than what the bet would bring in.

23:39:48 BingoBoingo: So verdict is "Yes" everyone gets beta access to Gox 2 Electric Bugabear

23:39:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00085703 = 3.9423 BTC [-] {2}

23:40:52 mircea_popescu: no but seriously, anyone got a link to any place auroracoin thing is actually traded ?

23:41:07 ThickAsThieves: add to the FAQ: In a circumstance where an accepted bet is determined to have unreliable determining factors, BitBet shall choose factors as best it can, or refund all bets at its own discretion.

23:41:08 BingoBoingo: Refund everybody minus fee? "Poorly spec's BitBEt Med getting whipped"

23:41:12 ThickAsThieves: www.cryptsy.com

23:41:29 ThickAsThieves: https://www.cryptsy.com/markets/view/160

23:41:30 ozbot: Cryptsy - AUR/BTC Market

23:42:12 mircea_popescu: eh get the fuck out, cryptsy never saw 1k btc in its entire existence

23:42:21 ThickAsThieves: surely it has

23:42:27 ThickAsThieves: but i still agree

23:42:30 ThickAsThieves: this is way fishy

23:42:36 ThickAsThieves: and a scam

23:42:46 BingoBoingo: It is a lesson in forcing better specs

23:43:03 ThickAsThieves: should probably just refund everyone

23:43:11 mircea_popescu: i dunno, i can't ok this. i mean i couldn't care less either way, it's bettors' btc on either side of the bet.

23:43:20 ThickAsThieves: i have a bet in there

23:43:21 mircea_popescu: but for the love of the sanctity of marriage...

23:44:13 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i can't fucking push it either, it's a legitimate contention.

23:44:20 BingoBoingo: I mean scamcoin tricks suggest forcing people to either spec better signals or kill MPOE bot

23:44:34 kakobrekla: firstly, how will you handle 'ends up' ?

23:44:47 kakobrekla: was there an answer to this

23:44:58 ThickAsThieves: if it's legitimate it was from day 1

23:45:02 ThickAsThieves: Yes

23:45:40 ThickAsThieves: i think 'ends up' is important to define

23:45:53 kakobrekla: secondly, it doesnt specify if it has to be minable/premined or to which extent that can be

23:45:55 BingoBoingo: This might be a good time to suggest a BitBet, "Bitbet to not accept further Altcoin Marketcap bets in 2014"

23:45:56 ThickAsThieves: 'ends' has a menaing after all

23:46:39 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla nope

23:46:52 ThickAsThieves: precedent at bitbet is to say 'above x rate at any time, or by a specific time' etc

23:46:52 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla well it specifies "coin"

23:46:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 806 @ 0.00480085 = 3.8695 BTC [-] {3}

23:47:02 ThickAsThieves: it specifies 'altcoin'

23:47:09 mircea_popescu: aite.

23:47:11 ThickAsThieves: in the headline at least

23:47:20 mircea_popescu: most fucked up bet of 2013 award

23:47:35 ThickAsThieves: hmm

23:47:45 ThickAsThieves: where is AUR blockchain viewable?

23:47:46 mircea_popescu: the sad irony of it all beinbg that i hazily recall mod asking me if i see a problem and me saying no.

23:47:52 ThickAsThieves: can coins in circulation be confirmed?

23:47:54 mircea_popescu: i guess i was right... it's not that there's A problem.

23:48:02 BingoBoingo: Nah, most fucked up might get litigated around 12 UTC

23:48:23 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i guess if someone can be bothered to install their wallet.

23:48:36 ThickAsThieves: i'm not icelandic

23:48:38 ThickAsThieves: :)

23:48:38 mircea_popescu: maybe we should just crash it.

23:48:50 BingoBoingo: x-bt doesn't trade it though

23:48:52 mircea_popescu: "bitbet resolves dubious bet by crashing dubious altscam into the ground"

23:50:22 ThickAsThieves: what websites has bitbet allowed as proof in the past?

23:50:29 ThickAsThieves: btc-e

23:50:33 ThickAsThieves: any others?

23:50:43 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform for he record, Лохотрон is way better than "Chumpatron"

23:50:56 kakobrekla: ThickAsThieves lots.

23:50:56 mircea_popescu: bitcoincharts

23:50:57 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but of course.

23:50:58 mircea_popescu: blockchain

23:51:04 ThickAsThieves: those dont have alts

23:51:06 ThickAsThieves: sry

23:51:09 mircea_popescu: well you askd

23:51:09 ThickAsThieves: i meant for altcoin bets

23:51:19 mircea_popescu: not really many alt bets allowed till recently.

23:51:24 asciilifeform: 'you go to war with' the pidgin you have, not the literary language you wish you had...

23:51:31 mircea_popescu: yeah.

23:52:00 mircea_popescu: also i think tpoh does not even nearly map on the english tron

23:52:09 mircea_popescu: which is more like... half of the tron troff pair than anything

23:52:59 BingoBoingo: Fuck, Imma have to learn Russian by June aren't I

23:53:04 ThickAsThieves: how about i tell which side i bet on and you just resolve it to that?

23:53:12 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: by april!

23:53:16 ThickAsThieves: as good a criteria as any here !

23:53:24 mircea_popescu: "russian by june" sounds like a good book

23:53:31 mircea_popescu: provided june is a hawt ukrainian blondy

23:53:34 nubbins`: ^

23:53:52 ThickAsThieves: Only Fools Russian

23:53:56 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: If they come this fast I live way to close to a trascom outpost.

23:53:59 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i imagine you're on the no side

23:53:59 nubbins`: :o

23:54:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.04242 = 0.8484 BTC [-] {2}

23:54:16 ThickAsThieves: i wont tell you, otherwise Scam accusations

23:54:31 kakobrekla: it cant resolve as no yet

23:55:01 asciilifeform: once met a military type (american) who knew just one russian phrase, but knew it very well: 'don't shoot - i know secrets'

23:55:09 mircea_popescu: jhahaha

23:55:10 ThickAsThieves: nice

23:55:14 mircea_popescu: good phrase to know.

23:56:14 mircea_popescu: https://www.google.com/search?q=%D0%BD%D0%B5+%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8F%D0%B9%D1%82%D0%B5+-+%D1%8F+%D0%B7%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8E+%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B5%D1%82%D1%8B&complete=0

23:57:05 BingoBoingo: I've been learning in the wrong direction then. My first phrase was "Fuck your mother горничная"

23:57:10 copumpkin: mircea_popescu: did that key work?

23:57:51 mircea_popescu: copumpkin yeah. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-03-2014#541337

23:58:10 copumpkin: oh, sorry, must've been offline or mentally impaired

23:58:11 copumpkin: thanks!

23:58:15 mircea_popescu: have fun

23:58:16 *: copumpkin tries his magic stat

23:59:46 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: If you want a lower stakes pro sports team https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frontier_Greys is probably available for under 300 BTC and... No facilities to maintain