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00:39:05 mike_c: ;;calc 1950 / 8.14

00:39:05 gribble: 239.557739558

00:42:32 mike_c: maybe i won't get the worst price of everyone for the conference.

00:45:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66045 @ 0.00038871 = 25.6724 BTC [-] {2}

01:12:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42313 @ 0.00038694 = 16.3726 BTC [-] {2}

01:23:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15450 @ 0.00038693 = 5.9781 BTC [-]

01:43:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40800 @ 0.00039096 = 15.9512 BTC [+]

01:45:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78800 @ 0.00040449 = 31.8738 BTC [+] {4}

01:48:32 BingoBoingo: So... Anyone here know chinese? Good enought to translate a Hand complete police report?

01:51:17 mike_c: pretty easy to get it translated. i'll take care of it if you'd like.

02:01:10 cazalla: mike_c, i'll pm you

02:12:13 BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/03/havelock-still-offline/#comment-12393 << Havelock is up

02:12:14 assbot: Havelock Still Offline | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1BQiEQK )

02:13:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54950 @ 0.00038275 = 21.0321 BTC [-] {4}

02:16:38 mircea_popescu: <jurov> these heteros..... << lmao jurov wins

02:20:31 mircea_popescu: http://41.media.tumblr.com/d4824f2303ae26c71cd1cf7bd2bebd5d/tumblr_mzowfg1d3g1sqn821o1_1280.jpg << metamorphosis

02:20:33 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1BQjxc3 )

02:22:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88550 @ 0.00040312 = 35.6963 BTC [+]

02:25:26 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: turdogram sent

02:27:31 decimation: asciilifeform: it amuses me that there are fans of ada in ru

02:27:38 asciilifeform: decimation: why ?

02:27:52 decimation: I guess it flows with your 'foreign warez' theory

02:28:00 decimation: because it's a us mil standard

02:29:23 asciilifeform: decimation: i've no personal knowledge of american ada 'warez' being used in ru (PL/I, oddly enough - yes)

02:29:52 asciilifeform: decimation: but it appears that the thing is genuinely popular among the very small but very well-paid set of folks who write programs that -actually have to work-

02:30:15 asciilifeform: as for the compiler, it's been part of vanilla gcc for years.

02:30:28 decimation: yeah, ru has an outsized (normalized by bezzle gdp) aerospace industry

02:31:11 asciilifeform: (there's a 'bleeding edge' version pushed out by ada foundation, which slowly merges back into gcc, as i understand. that version is also gpl, but the standard lib is also gpl - unlike the gcc ada, where it is lgpl)

02:31:56 asciilifeform: ada is also used in the banking sector (the only countries for which i have strong clues of this being the fact are ch and ua)

02:33:17 asciilifeform: programmers (esp. ones who see it on the net one time, rather than using seriously) exquisitely hate it. the users, on the other hand, whose 'boeing' stays up and who never have to learn that the program exists at all - love it.

02:34:05 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: b-n should be c-n in turdogram

02:34:11 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: dunno how i missed that

02:34:50 decimation: speaking of which https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2S-Cggs1jOo < video tour of a 777 engineering/electronics bay while in flight

02:34:52 assbot: 777 E/E Bay - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/17MjBMb )

02:34:59 decimation: note that it is placed in the first class cabin

02:35:38 decimation: there's some conspiracy theorists who believe that the missing malaysian 777 might have been a heist pulled off by guys who busted into the engineering bay and messed with the electronics

02:36:29 decimation: skip to 5:00 to see the portable terminal that can be connected to the equipment for in-flight troubleshooting

02:36:55 asciilifeform: lol, no lock

02:37:45 decimation: in theory, if you knew what you were doing, you could break into that bay and 'pilot' the plane from there

02:39:39 *: asciilifeform like a t0t4l n00b, always assumed that junk lives in the cockpit, under the dashboard

02:40:06 decimation: it depends, some of it is

02:40:37 decimation: the cockpit is mostly 'remote front panels' in modern planes to my knowledge

02:41:19 decimation: plus there are various databuses the connect the plane. supposedly on new planes they are moving to a special form of ethernet, strangely enough

02:41:55 decimation: http://www.cwc-ae.com/air-data-systems-computers/network-switches < avionics grade ethernet switch

02:41:58 assbot: Airborne Network Switches | Avionics Ethernet Switch | CWC-AE ... ( http://bit.ly/17MkG6H )

02:59:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54950 @ 0.00038092 = 20.9316 BTC [-]

03:13:14 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/03/amhash-reports-theft-bitcoin-mining-equipment/

03:14:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22150 @ 0.00038092 = 8.4374 BTC [-]

03:18:29 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/03/amhash-reports-theft-of-bitcoin-mining-equipment/

03:18:30 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/03/europol-bitcoin-will-intersect-with-organised-crime-political-movements-technology-others/

03:19:08 cazalla: just because you missed some earlier, doesn't mean you can repeat newer ones to make up for it scoopbot

03:23:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24425 @ 0.00038092 = 9.304 BTC [-]

03:31:38 decimation: !seen peterL

03:31:45 decimation: ;;seen peterl

03:31:45 gribble: peterl was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 days, 7 hours, 15 minutes, and 16 seconds ago: <PeterL> !up hktud0

03:32:07 decimation: !up yhwh_

03:32:30 decimation: !up teward

03:32:45 decimation: !up punkman

03:39:30 scoopbot: New post on fraudsters by Mircea Popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2015/no-such-labs-snsa-february-2015-statement/

03:53:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74400 @ 0.00038006 = 28.2765 BTC [-] {2}

03:58:45 asciilifeform: woah scoopbot... works

03:58:48 asciilifeform: amazing!

03:58:48 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

04:01:23 mod6: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000055.html

04:01:24 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1wNKCVN )

04:01:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73700 @ 0.00037974 = 27.9868 BTC [-] {4}

04:03:10 asciilifeform: mod6: neato!

04:03:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41600 @ 0.00039881 = 16.5905 BTC [+]

04:04:23 ben_vulpes: mod6: deed it up?

04:04:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70800 @ 0.00037874 = 26.8148 BTC [-] {3}

04:05:34 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, others: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/03/financial-collapse-leads-to-war.html << on the subject of usg's habit of losing wars

04:05:35 assbot: ClubOrlov: Financial collapse leads to war ... ( http://bit.ly/1wNLSrH )

04:06:52 asciilifeform: 'Looking at this broad landscape of failure, there are two ways to interpret it. One is that the US officialdom is the most incompetent one imaginable, and can't ever get anything right. But another is that they do not succeed for a distinctly different reason: they don't succeed because results don't matter. You see, if failure were a problem, then there would be some sort of pressure coming from somewhere or other within the

04:06:52 asciilifeform: establishment, and that pressure to succeed might sporadically give rise to improved performance, leading to at least a few instances of success. But if in fact failure is no problem at all, and if instead there was some sort of pressure to fail, then we would see exactly what we do see.'

04:10:14 mod6: deedbot-: add-deed http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000055.html

04:10:15 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1wNNnq0 )

04:10:53 mod6: how do you view the deeds?

04:12:21 trinque: !up deedbot-

04:12:37 trinque: mod6: they go out once an hour to deedbot.org

04:12:46 mod6: sweet, thx

04:13:02 trinque: mod6: for now you'll need to stick things on dpaste to get deedbot to eat them

04:13:07 trinque: I'm going to fix that in a bit

04:13:29 mod6: ok

04:13:53 trinque: mod6: you'll also need to add your key with add-key the same way

04:14:02 trinque: as a dpaste

04:14:37 mod6: the entire pub-key or just a fingerprint?

04:14:45 trinque: mod6: the pubkey itself

04:15:03 trinque: though I can take eating key fingerprints as a feature request

04:15:27 mod6: i think the whole thing is fine

04:15:28 trinque: I'm going to make it just deedbot- http://dpaste/whatever.txt too

04:15:33 mod6: deedbot-: add-key http://dpaste.com/1QX85DC

04:15:34 assbot: dpaste: 1QX85DC ... ( http://bit.ly/1wNOQg3 )

04:15:42 trinque: deedbot-: add-key http://dpaste.com/1QX85DC.txt

04:15:43 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1wNORR5 )

04:15:44 deedbot-: imported: 027A8D7C0FB8A16643720F40721705A8B71EADAF

04:15:50 mod6: deedbot-: add-deed http://dpaste.com/0ZSET3M

04:15:51 assbot: dpaste: 0ZSET3M ... ( http://bit.ly/1wNOW7k )

04:15:51 trinque: needs the non HTML page

04:15:51 deedbot-: rejected: 1

04:15:59 trinque: mod6: same deal there, add .txt

04:16:09 mod6: ah

04:16:13 trinque: I also have a mental ticket for that

04:16:20 mod6: deedbot-: add-key http://dpaste.com/1QX85DC.txt

04:16:21 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1wNP6vp )

04:16:22 deedbot-: imported: 027A8D7C0FB8A16643720F40721705A8B71EADAF

04:16:32 mod6: deedbot-: add-deed http://dpaste.com/0ZSET3M.txt

04:16:34 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1wNPbiJ )

04:16:34 deedbot-: rejected: 1

04:17:02 trinque: interesting, let me see if I can verify that signature myself

04:17:14 mod6: ok

04:17:24 trinque: what key signed that?

04:18:12 mod6: that same key

04:18:19 mod6: that i just imported to deedbot

04:18:26 mod6: my otc key

04:19:38 trinque: indeed, something else is wrong

04:19:47 trinque: I'll fix it and then publish that for you

04:20:19 mod6: np. but you were able to verify the sig of the Monthy Address yourself right? I checked it and it verified for me just fine...

04:20:33 trinque: mod6: correct, it verified for me by hand

04:20:44 mod6: cool. thanks for your work on deedbot :]

04:20:55 trinque: no problemo!

04:30:41 mircea_popescu: scoopbot -fetch

04:31:05 mircea_popescu: meh only takes the latest one huh

04:33:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35000 @ 0.00039904 = 13.9664 BTC [+] {2}

04:34:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101082 @ 0.00040986 = 41.4295 BTC [+] {2}

04:34:46 trinque: mod6: lol I filled the disk doing an emerge -uDN @world

04:34:47 trinque: one sec

04:35:43 mircea_popescu: "Egypt has been democratically reformed into a military dictatorship. "

04:36:12 mircea_popescu: lol. then again, egypt was a military dictatorship under the mubarak dude, who wrested egypt in a coup from the... previous military dictator.

04:36:20 mircea_popescu: place's gotta do what it's gotta do.

04:36:35 decimation: what about $bil's of bezzle? that helps too

04:37:22 decimation: http://www.andreas-unterberger.at/2013/05/buecherverbrennungen-damals-und-heute/ < good quote "Johannes Gross, einer der klügsten deutschen Journalisten, schrieb: „Je länger das Dritte Reich tot ist, umso stärker wird der Widerstand gegen Hitler und die Seinen.”"

04:37:23 assbot: Bücherverbrennungen damals und heute ... ( http://bit.ly/1wNUqyP )

04:38:42 mircea_popescu: uh.

04:38:49 mircea_popescu: im not even sure what that's supposed to mean

04:39:05 decimation: Johannes Gross, one of the smartest German journalists, wrote: The longer the third reich is dead, the greater the resistance against hitler and his ilk becomes"

04:39:32 decimation: the point is that being anti-nazi is easy and super popular today

04:39:35 mircea_popescu: but i mean...

04:39:36 decimation: not so much in 1943

04:39:41 mircea_popescu: this is patently untrue.

04:39:57 mircea_popescu: being anti-nazi was the thing in 1943. today... would you not fuck a nazi ?

04:40:09 decimation: heh

04:40:19 decimation: in berlin it's otherwise

04:40:38 mircea_popescu: you know, berlin women got raped by the soviets mostly.

04:40:59 mircea_popescu: and that's quite similar : the soviets were impopular in 1990, more so than in 2010.

04:41:17 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's at least rethorically seductive, this theory. "the us is basically emo, it wants to fail."

04:41:56 decimation: yeah but I don't think it 'wants to fail' because of a secret cabal of financiers

04:42:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8218 @ 0.00041114 = 3.3787 BTC [+]

04:42:16 thestringpuller: lol mircea_popescu there is not going to be a test server for experimental anymore?

04:42:34 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller not open.

04:42:36 decimation: I think it wants to fail because it cannot imagine otherwise

04:42:45 mircea_popescu: well... being emo, right ?

04:42:50 mircea_popescu: failure is oddly satisfying.

04:43:23 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: what about the future assets pipeline? that going to be rolled straight into beta server?

04:43:50 mircea_popescu: nope

04:43:58 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: 'eulora accounts' << "isambard vulpes" sil vous plait

04:44:10 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes defo.

04:44:57 decimation: ben_vulpes: if you ever end up in london you can visit Herr Brunel's tunnel

04:45:09 mod6: trinque: heheh. np.

04:45:17 mircea_popescu: "Now, supposing a financial oligarchy has seized control of the country, and, since it can't control its own appetites" such nonsense. what appetites ?

04:45:23 mircea_popescu: i got more harems than horowitz.

04:46:32 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: you ever heard of TurboSquid?

04:46:37 mircea_popescu: nop.

04:47:04 ben_vulpes: decimation: next time i'm in london i expect to see all sorts of historical engineering bits

04:47:11 mircea_popescu: "Military success is unimportant, because failure is even better for maintaining order by forcing through various emergency security measures than success." << this is known as the "north korea" versio of us future. because obviously best kim is in a state of imagined war with an imagined world.

04:47:15 mircea_popescu: it seems improbable, but hey.

04:47:29 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: now for to find some time to 'play' 'games'

04:47:41 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes consider it gambling.

04:48:58 mircea_popescu: Political collapse will be resisted, and the way it will be resisted is by starting as many wars as possible, to produce a vast backdrop of failure to serve as a rationale for all sorts of ?emergency measures,? << i said this a number of times, but it bears repeating : if this happens every usg employee, past or present, hangs by his guts.

04:49:09 mircea_popescu: that is a literal rather than metaphorical description.

04:50:38 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: pretty sure you've described the bitcoin version of it here: http://fraudsters.com/2014/smg-april-2014-statement/

04:51:05 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller "bitcoin version of it' what ?

04:51:40 decimation: you know after the national convention took over and started calling for massive troop levies, the Vendée rose up with pitchforks and starting executing anyone who appeared to be a revolutionary

04:51:40 thestringpuller: " strategically speaking I intend to create a digital services marketplace, and would very much like to use the large and varied needs of Eulora acquisition to seed that platform"

04:51:54 thestringpuller: That pretty much is turbosquid just, with USD.

04:52:28 decimation: this happened mere months after the revolution was proclaimed to be 'of the people', 'for human rights', 'freedom', etc

04:52:34 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller aha.

04:52:49 mircea_popescu: unless turbosquid guy shows up in wot turbosquid dun exist.

04:52:56 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: well that doesn't sound like any fun now

04:53:03 mircea_popescu: decimation this is true.

04:53:09 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes im tryin to help.

04:53:37 decimation: so my question is: why doesn't this happen in the us - all sorts of crazy 'reforms' are pushed down by the center

04:53:40 ben_vulpes: "don't put yr pennies down, kid. you'll just lose 'em".

04:54:40 mircea_popescu: decimation probably because no instructive website yet ?

04:54:46 mircea_popescu: same reason dating's so hard

04:54:55 decimation: and another question: is it possible for a universal suffrage democracy to tolerate actual dissent?

04:55:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61826 @ 0.00040895 = 25.2837 BTC [-] {4}

04:55:43 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: this raises and interesting question, hypothetically TurboSquid is WoT endorsed company. Would the artists be required to be WoT endorsed too?

04:55:56 mircea_popescu: well yeah.

04:56:25 asciilifeform: a 'turbosquid' ought not to be anything but a powered, peristaltic, multi-tentacular autodildatron.

04:56:43 mircea_popescu: why hate the celenterate!

04:56:55 asciilifeform: pet: 'i agree with this statement'

04:57:30 ben_vulpes: peristaltic!

04:57:33 ben_vulpes: ?

04:57:36 ben_vulpes: turbo?!

04:57:38 ben_vulpes: no.d

04:57:41 mircea_popescu: peristalsis is a bowel movement.

04:57:42 ben_vulpes: a million times no.

04:58:09 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is not thinking of the rest of anatomy

04:58:15 asciilifeform: not only bowel

04:58:43 asciilifeform: anyway, travelling-wave dildo doesn't seem to exist, and i never knew why

04:58:47 mircea_popescu: well just like infarction without further specification is cardiac infarction...

05:00:17 ben_vulpes: traveling wave dildo?

05:00:21 asciilifeform: (much unexplored design space in dildonics. for instance, a cylindrical/topologically-toroidal 'conveyor' with belt that recirculates through inner hollow, could product impression of infinite length)

05:00:28 asciilifeform: *produce

05:00:52 ben_vulpes: i think augur designs exist approximating this.

05:01:03 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: auger ?

05:01:04 ben_vulpes: but you'll have to tell me how effective they are, asciilifeform.

05:01:17 ben_vulpes: yes, yes.

05:01:18 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform amusingly, i actually had this design made, and tried on live girls.

05:01:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38900 @ 0.00037831 = 14.7163 BTC [-]

05:01:32 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: !

05:01:38 asciilifeform: how'd it go?!

05:01:53 asciilifeform: and which - toroidal, or wave ?

05:01:53 mircea_popescu: best intro to fisting.

05:02:06 mircea_popescu: basically a flatish torus, looks like a cylinder from outside

05:03:04 asciilifeform: don't suppose a photo was published ?

05:03:19 mircea_popescu: was not. fucking complicated even without involving the cameras.

05:03:55 mircea_popescu: its main advantage tho, is that it reduces any need for friction.

05:03:56 asciilifeform: damnit, here i was, thinking i'd actually invented something useful, l0l

05:04:18 mircea_popescu: well what, invented a geometric shape ?

05:04:28 mircea_popescu: it's not 500bc anymore, you know.

05:04:30 asciilifeform: neh

05:04:38 asciilifeform: the idea of toroidal 'belt sander' as dildatron

05:04:48 mircea_popescu: more like track than belt sander rly.

05:06:25 mircea_popescu: unrelatedly, http://31.media.tumblr.com/657bb727d9237bf557266ca15de00fa5/tumblr_n8uf9fngfP1qb139no1_400.gif

05:06:29 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cn3Rwm )

05:06:46 mircea_popescu: no, actually, i got a much better one. http://38.media.tumblr.com/0eed9dc2858247e231736ceb94b53e0e/tumblr_ncmqux4dvb1s11mtco1_400.gif

05:06:47 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cn3SR6 )

05:06:48 mircea_popescu: PERISTALSIS!

05:07:30 asciilifeform: the subject on the right looks like an anthropomorphic 'cock'n'balls'

05:07:39 asciilifeform: very mindfuck

05:10:51 trinque: mod6: uploaded at http://deedbot.org/345939-1B3Sfa4h9hTPweMuCKPYyHQ9kH6ij3Zkwn.txt

05:10:52 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cn4INA )

05:17:41 mod6: trinque: awesome thanks!

05:29:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43134 @ 0.00037724 = 16.2719 BTC [-] {3}

05:34:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.QNTR] 9132 @ 0.00027068 = 2.4718 BTC [-]

05:51:12 mircea_popescu: til yahoo owns tumblr

05:51:33 thestringpuller: ?

06:07:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106608 @ 0.00041472 = 44.2125 BTC [+] {2}

06:17:25 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/infinitum.gif

06:17:30 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nb7Uzd )

06:17:43 mircea_popescu: exactly.

06:17:56 asciilifeform: srsly !?!

06:18:01 mircea_popescu: yep

06:18:18 asciilifeform: the 64-quintillion-zimbabwollar question being,

06:18:22 asciilifeform: which direction did they prefer

06:18:29 asciilifeform: infinitum-in or infinitum-out

06:18:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97594 @ 0.00041605 = 40.604 BTC [+] {2}

06:24:04 asciilifeform: 'peristaltic' version is exactly the above, except the track is of non-uniform thickness (roughly sinusoidal along its length)

06:24:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16250 @ 0.00041174 = 6.6908 BTC [-]

06:26:12 asciilifeform: and there is no reason why this apparatus - or a slightly scaled down one - could not function as a 'milking machine'

06:26:17 cazalla: mircea_popescu, that is ofn and yahoo paid a pretty penny from memory

06:26:50 *: asciilifeform had the idea roughly a decade ago, but no application.

06:27:27 mircea_popescu: cazalla seems so yea

06:32:28 asciilifeform: !up Vexual

06:35:11 asciilifeform: decimation: https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2013/11/18/2013-27343/special-conditions-boeing-model-777-200--300-and--300er-series-airplanes-aircraft-electronic-system << lulzies !

06:35:13 assbot: Federal Register | Special Conditions: Boeing Model 777-200, -300, and -300ER Series Airplanes; Aircraft Electronic System Security Protection From Unauthorized Internal Access ... ( http://bit.ly/1GKMNPP )

06:35:57 asciilifeform: 'The proposed architecture is novel or unusual for commercial transport airplanes by enabling connection to previously isolated data networks connected to systems that perform functions required for the safe operation of the airplane.'

06:36:13 asciilifeform: (Monday, November 18, 2013)

06:39:53 Vexual: why can't i catch a nuke sub to somewhere?

06:40:56 cazalla: Vexual, we don't have em here do we?

06:41:10 Vexual: nope, we can't even make a canoe

06:42:00 Vexual: we do, but they are very noisy

06:42:18 cazalla: collins class? they are diesel

06:42:27 Vexual: yah, right

06:42:32 asciilifeform: http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngoglia/2015/02/13/faa-says-commercial-drone-operators-need-exemption-but-doesnt-prosecute-those-flying-without-one << official liar lies, suddenly making the story considerably more interesting

06:42:33 assbot: FAA Says Commercial Drone Operators Need Exemption. But Doesn't Prosecute Those Flying Without One. - Forbes ... ( http://bit.ly/1GKObBK )

06:42:47 Vexual: its an and or thing

06:42:48 asciilifeform: these fuckwads can't just shut up, it seems

06:43:06 asciilifeform: wrong link

06:43:48 asciilifeform: http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngoglia/2015/02/25/hijacking-malaysia-airlines-flight-370-from-electronics-bay-not-possible

06:43:50 assbot: Hijacking Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 From Electronics Bay? Not Possible. - Forbes ... ( http://bit.ly/1GKOsoz )

06:43:52 asciilifeform: ^ correct link

06:45:06 ben_vulpes: Vexual: you're a...nuke canoe! nuke canoe!

06:48:50 *: Vexual checks an app cannon on the horizon

06:52:47 gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: those girls were south korean iirc

06:53:08 gabriel_laddel: anyways, all chinese girls are ugly?

06:53:13 gabriel_laddel: nonsense

06:53:17 gabriel_laddel: .chinabait

06:53:22 Vexual: lol

06:53:56 Vexual: wanna buy a prisma?

06:54:12 gabriel_laddel: http://imgur.com/m860SUq,Fnz6qrS

06:54:13 assbot: Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1GKQdBZ )

06:54:21 gabriel_laddel: http://imgur.com/m860SUq,Fnz6qrS#1

06:54:22 assbot: Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1GKQc0R )

06:54:41 gabriel_laddel: ^ she is Chinese.

06:54:48 Vexual: no shit

06:54:57 asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: take'em to usa and feed for six months or so (not longer!)

06:55:23 gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: nah, the Chinese have a class system thing going on.

06:55:29 cazalla: gabriel_laddel, 2nd looks a bit haggard

06:55:31 gabriel_laddel: they elites eat well

06:55:38 gabriel_laddel: lol it's the same girl

06:55:47 Vexual: cazalla, shes evidently pretty

06:55:59 asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: complicated. phytoestrogens in rice, soy are part of the story

06:56:08 gabriel_laddel: and I know her irl, she is drunk in the 2nd photo

06:56:08 asciilifeform: so not purely matter of malnutrition

06:56:18 gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: ah, do elaborate

06:56:21 cazalla: gabriel_laddel, did ya bang her?

06:56:24 gabriel_laddel: no

06:56:27 *: asciilifeform bedtime

06:56:39 *: asciilifeform invites interested readers to carry out own inquiries

06:56:46 gabriel_laddel: lame

06:56:52 cazalla: my missus has a china doll in her mum's group, she is one of the best chinese women i've seen and we have truckloads of em here down under

06:57:41 gabriel_laddel: pics?

06:58:17 ben_vulpes: A PETE

06:58:20 cazalla: gabriel_laddel, sure, just let me ask the missus for pics of her friend from facebook :P

06:58:28 ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: thanks for that adams short.

06:58:39 ben_vulpes: i read it to lady v on our morning stroll for great lulz.

06:58:48 gabriel_laddel: cazalla: wtf is this 'asking' you speak of

06:59:05 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: ha! she enjoyed it i take it ?

06:59:11 ben_vulpes: cazalla: yeah, just crack open the girl's facebook

06:59:25 ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: and if she hadn't it'd have been educational regardless

06:59:41 ben_vulpes: wait hang on there was context for this conversation

07:00:05 cazalla: gabriel_laddel, maybe one day if she moves away or they're no longer friends but would be a bit strange for me to share pics of her on irc

07:01:10 gabriel_laddel: lolk. I'm sorta half joking (and sorta half not).

07:01:23 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56gpwl6cohc

07:01:28 ben_vulpes: i'm not

07:01:33 ben_vulpes: cazalla: come now, nobody knows who you are or the girls are

07:01:53 gabriel_laddel: lol

07:02:12 ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: http://imgur.com/CWCOGkO

07:02:13 assbot: Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1GKRKbe )

07:02:33 pete_dushenski: lol perfect

07:02:52 ben_vulpes: i see this sign every morning, yet this morning it brought to mind your...reprinting of the adams short.

07:02:52 Vexual: strawberry dog poo petey

07:03:07 pete_dushenski: the number of spoon-feeding, hand-holding signs present in the western world is atrocious

07:03:42 gabriel_laddel: !up Vexual

07:04:22 Vexual: thnaks gab

07:04:31 pete_dushenski: douglas adams is a charming way of overcoming the rage

07:04:46 Vexual: isn't he dead?

07:05:00 pete_dushenski: yes

07:05:03 pete_dushenski: "We are also in the process of forming partnerships with third parties in the industry; George, Jutta and myself managing this process; I’m happy to announce that at least three exchanges will be supporting Ether from day one on their trading platforms (details of which we’ll annouce soon), with more exchanges to follow."

07:05:18 pete_dushenski: "I also finished the first draft of ICAP, the Ethereum Inter-exchange Client Address Protocol, an IBAN-compatible system for referencing and transacting to client accounts aimed to streamline the process of transfering funds, worry-free between exchanges and, ultimately, make KYC and AML pains a thing of the past."

07:05:35 pete_dushenski: "Proof-of-Concept releases VII and VIII were released. NatSpec, “natural language specification format” and the basis of our transaction security was prototyped and integrated. Under Marek’s watch, now helped by Fabian, ethereum.js is truly coming of age with a near source-level compatibility with Solidity on contract interaction and support for the typed ABI with calling and events, the latter providing h

07:05:35 pete_dushenski: assle-free state-change reporting."

07:06:28 pete_dushenski: Since our blockchain has a number of important differences with the Bitcoin blockchain (mainly in transaction density), stemming from the extremely short 12s block time we’re aiming for, we would have to use not the blockchain data itself like Hashimoto but rather an artifcially created dataset, done with an algorithm known as Dagger (yes, some will remember it as Vitalik’s first and flawed attempt at a memo

07:06:28 pete_dushenski: ry-hard proof-of-work).

07:06:29 pete_dushenski: While this looked like a good direction to be going in, a swift audit of Vitalik and Matt’s initial algorithm by Tim Hughes (ex-Director of Technology at Frontier Developments and expert in low-level CPU and GPU operation and optimisation) showed major flaws. "

07:06:56 pete_dushenski: "When deep in nitty gritty of development you sometimes forget quite how world-altering the technology you’re creating is, which is probably just as well since the gravity of the matter at hand would be continually distracting. "

07:07:07 pete_dushenski: via https://blog.ethereum.org/2015/03/02/gavs-ethereum-d%CE%BEv-update-v/

07:07:08 assbot: | Gav's Ethereum DEV Update ... ( http://bit.ly/1GKSLQL )

07:07:14 gabriel_laddel: die

07:07:25 pete_dushenski: the above quotes being for posterity

07:07:32 pete_dushenski: and lulz

07:07:56 pete_dushenski: given that mp's short contract date is fast approaching, this seems quite relevant

07:08:40 pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2014/07/23/a-guide-to-buying-5000-ether-bitcoin-2-5x-more-than-ethereums-genesis-sale/ << march 15, 2015

07:08:42 assbot: A Guide To Buying 5000 Ether/Bitcoin, 2.5x More Than Ethereum's Genesis Sale Offers | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1GKT3XF )

07:14:42 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6JYzOjglBs

07:15:39 ben_vulpes: ah cool

07:15:54 ben_vulpes: so they baked "free usg thermorecal exams" into the protocol

07:16:04 ben_vulpes: thermorectal

07:16:27 ben_vulpes: i can't even be fucking arsed.

07:16:36 punkman: ben_vulpes: http://imgur.com/CWCOGkO << I like it, but needs more shaming

07:16:37 assbot: Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1GKUwgC )

07:18:27 gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: btw, many SK girls get plastic surgery to look more western. If you ever spend enough time with them you'll start to see the differences between koreans and 'koreans'

07:19:51 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmugSMBh_iI

07:23:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26700 @ 0.00041134 = 10.9828 BTC [-]

07:25:12 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuJQSAiODqI

07:32:41 punkman: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/france-wants-companies-to-make-appliances-that-last-longer/2015/03/02/b39b326e-c0fa-11e4-a188-8e4971d37a8d_story.html

07:32:42 assbot: France wants companies to make appliances that last longer - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1EcXo6h )

07:32:45 ben_vulpes: babe's got great tits

07:33:13 ben_vulpes: pretty bad dancing in that video tho

07:33:21 pete_dushenski: "Criminals in the US are using the new Apple Pay mobile payment system to buy high-value goods – often from Apple Stores – with stolen identities and credit card details." << le shock!

07:34:17 pete_dushenski: "The crooks have not broken the secure encryption around Apple Pay’s fingerprint-activated wireless payment mechanism. Instead, they are setting up new iPhones with stolen personal information, and then calling banks to “provision” the victim’s card on the phone to use it to buy goods. "

07:34:46 pete_dushenski: but it's somehow cash that's dangerous

07:34:49 pete_dushenski: because reasons.

07:35:10 punkman: http://berkshirehathaway.com/2014ar/linksannual14.html

07:35:11 assbot: 2014 Financial Statement XBRL Files and Annual Report ... ( http://bit.ly/1GKXEsR )

07:35:22 cazalla: who eats the chargeback? apple?

07:37:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116348 @ 0.00040555 = 47.1849 BTC [-] {4}

07:37:21 pete_dushenski: cazalla: i'm guessing banks issuing the credit cards

07:38:53 punkman: more likely whoever owns the apple store

07:38:56 pete_dushenski: http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/mar/02/apple-pay-mobile-payment-system-scammers << for more details

07:38:58 assbot: Apple Pay: a new frontier for scammers | Technology | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1GKYje1 )

07:39:23 pete_dushenski: "Abraham says: “Fraud in Apple Pay… came as a surprise to all” " << mhm. right.

07:46:47 fluffypony: pete_dushenski: analogous to "The fraud came as a surprise. He seemed like such a nice guy. I definitely didn't expect him to scam anyone."

07:47:20 pete_dushenski: yup. 'he had such a friendly smile'

07:47:36 fluffypony: 'as he stabbed me and raped my bloody corpse'

07:59:07 mircea_popescu: i step away for one second and what happens!

07:59:33 mircea_popescu: * ebit (rose@ has joined #bitcoin-assets << why nobody ups noobs nomore!

08:00:08 punkman: !up roseebit

08:01:21 mircea_popescu: ello roseebit

08:03:02 pete_dushenski: "Pete, you should either give your money to a qualified money manager or go back to work." << kids and their ideas about success

08:03:23 mircea_popescu: cazalla / bingoboingo : just in case you were wondering where the ftp server went, turns out cpanel decided to upgrade stuff on the 23rd, failed to get pureftpd upgraded correctly, decided it's no longer needed and nuked it.

08:03:26 mircea_popescu: i've had it resolved.

08:03:27 pete_dushenski: 'you've been a successful investor for 15 years but that was just luck so you should trust a random hobo now'

08:03:40 mircea_popescu: o wait you have ?

08:04:20 pete_dushenski: me ? ya

08:04:55 mircea_popescu: 15 years that means since you were what, 16 ?

08:05:06 pete_dushenski: 13

08:05:11 chetty: can't be having people do things, must have experts and authorities run our lives you know

08:05:38 pete_dushenski: and it was really more like 11, just rounding ;)

08:05:46 mircea_popescu: respek ma autoritah!

08:06:12 mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gx4jn77VKlQ

08:06:13 assbot: Cartman Respect My Authoritah - South Park - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1CnHhUs )

08:06:37 pete_dushenski: ya i started trading stocks on my parents' accounts before i was much interested in girls

08:06:44 pete_dushenski: or maybe it was around the same time

08:06:52 pete_dushenski: hmm, a theory developeth

08:07:12 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: lol

08:08:23 pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/23/how-the-adage-time-is-money-and-the-existence-of-google-prove-that-facebook-is-worth-less-than-dust/#comment-11997 << thread re: my unwarranted self-confidence as an investor

08:08:25 assbot: How the adage “time is money” and the existence of Google+ prove that Facebook is worth less than dust. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1GL3HgY )

08:09:25 pete_dushenski: it's mostly that brandon morin derp again, he of 'nazis aren't socialists' fame

08:09:54 pete_dushenski: well, as much 'fame' as random, non-WoT commenters on contravex can have

08:10:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 151700 @ 0.0003749 = 56.8723 BTC [-] {4}

08:10:55 ben_vulpes: two links for your review:

08:10:58 ben_vulpes: http://reactionwheel.net/2015/01/80s-vc.html

08:10:59 assbot: Heat Death: Venture Capital in the 1980s | Reaction Wheel ... ( http://bit.ly/1CnIBqg )

08:11:01 ben_vulpes: http://reactionwheel.net/2009/04/why-bankers-will-continue-to-make-just.html

08:11:03 assbot: Why Bankers Will Continue to Make Just as Much as They Used To | Reaction Wheel ... ( http://bit.ly/1CnIzyT )

08:11:26 ben_vulpes: i've read them, found them interesting and full of insight, but submit them for the forum for my own education.

08:12:01 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: to the second one, i reply 'bankers aren't the bad guys (tm)'

08:12:38 pete_dushenski: relevant: http://www.contravex.com/2015/02/19/bankers-arent-the-bad-guys/

08:12:39 assbot: Bankers aren’t the bad guys. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1CnJ3oD )

08:13:17 *: pete_dushenski cuts himself off from more contravex links. that's enough for one evening.

08:13:54 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes ima read it.

08:15:02 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2015#1039444 << oic!

08:15:02 assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 06:56:08; gabriel_laddel: and I know her irl, she is drunk in the 2nd photo

08:16:03 ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: bankers being bad guys or not is really not part of the linked piece.

08:16:25 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2015#1039455 << you can link her to source, so as to explain why you want em. im sure she'll love the logs :D

08:16:25 assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 06:58:20; cazalla: gabriel_laddel, sure, just let me ask the missus for pics of her friend from facebook :P

08:16:30 ben_vulpes: it's more about returns to "talent" vs return to equity.

08:18:09 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: to my eye that article is about why the author doesn't like 'the market'

08:19:11 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2015#1039482 << pass teh bud brothar.

08:19:11 assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 07:05:35; pete_dushenski: "Proof-of-Concept releases VII and VIII were released. NatSpec, “natural language specification format” and the basis of our transaction security was prototyped and integrated. Under Marek’s watch, now helped by Fabian, ethereum.js is truly coming of age with a near source-level compatibility with Solidity on contract interaction and support for the typed ABI with calling and events, the latter

08:19:11 pete_dushenski: when in fact that market is a result of too many and too perverse of regulations, not the result of a lack regulation

08:20:22 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski: given that mp's short contract date is fast approaching, this seems quite relevant << kinda irrelevant, seeing how NOBODY.ACTUALLY.BOUGHT.

08:20:27 mircea_popescu: not as much as a dime's worth.

08:20:34 mircea_popescu: for all the pretense that there's "investment" in this nonsense.

08:21:42 ben_vulpes: !up Vexual

08:21:47 *: pete_dushenski remembers

08:21:57 *: Vexual remwmbers

08:22:15 *: ben_vulpes has purged the scambuffer

08:22:28 ben_vulpes: replaced it with dicks in blondes mouth

08:22:35 Vexual: oooch

08:22:45 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: "The money has to go somewhere" << this argument is also be based on 'the problem of too much money'

08:23:26 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2015#1039515 xml xsd god have mercy.

08:23:26 assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 07:35:10; punkman: http://berkshirehathaway.com/2014ar/linksannual14.html

08:23:27 pete_dushenski: the idea that bankers are inflating dollars of their own volition is a bit off

08:23:33 mircea_popescu: they're going to publish their reports in wrigley next.

08:23:45 pete_dushenski: on the inside of a silvery wrapper

08:23:52 []bot: Bet placed: 3 BTC for Yes on "BTC to top $500 before 1st May" http://bitbet.us/bet/1120/ Odds: 27(Y):73(N) by coin, 25(Y):75(N) by weight. Total bet: 50.93535957 BTC. Current weight: 76,696.

08:23:53 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1l0xpkk0yaQ

08:24:04 pete_dushenski: ;;ticker

08:24:51 gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 276.06, Best ask: 276.4, Bid-ask spread: 0.34000, Last trade: 276.06, 24 hour volume: 69390.59382616, 24 hour low: 258.98, 24 hour high: 279.92, 24 hour vwap: None

08:25:04 pete_dushenski: "In an interview with Reuters, Obama said he was concerned about Beijing's plans for a far-reaching counterterrorism law that would require technology firms to hand over encryption keys, the passcodes that help protect data, and install security "backdoors" in their systems to give Chinese authorities surveillance access." << 'but it worked for the us (tm)'

08:25:49 mircea_popescu: lol

08:26:15 mircea_popescu: !up ebit_

08:26:29 mircea_popescu: for the record, being chinese doesn't make them special. they get as much access as obama gets.

08:26:42 Vexual: here here

08:26:53 mircea_popescu: in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/aa13ad927f6b26d190b1d5440478a721/tumblr_nc9kj7QjZj1tq8yp3o1_1280.jpg

08:26:54 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1CnMCLA )

08:27:19 Vexual: the lass is verily full

08:27:22 pete_dushenski: 7 months ?

08:27:50 mircea_popescu: could be 10.

08:28:03 Vexual: ripe

08:28:06 pete_dushenski: if she were an elephant

08:30:08 cazalla: mircea_popescu, lol nothing i say here would surprise the missus sharing pics of her friends would be one step too far, even for me

08:31:05 cazalla: missed a , there

08:32:08 mircea_popescu: well... i'll take your word re the babydoll then.

08:32:29 ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski the man is complaining about tin women ffs

08:33:37 ben_vulpes: anyways as a point of data, it's year 1.5ish of this insane enterprise, and i'm just now beginning to approach the salary of a "programmer" in my geographic region.

08:33:39 gribble: The operation succeeded.

08:34:18 mircea_popescu: lol wd.

08:35:25 Vexual: im on the same money as one year ago

08:35:29 cazalla: the new australian chinese mums have a good scheme going on.. their mothers come here from china to cook/clean etc for a year so new mum can take it easy, explains why all all the other mums look tired but this china doll looks as good as ever

08:35:55 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: dude on one hand i constantly bemoan this: 'oh if only i were just freelancing i'd be rolling in the dough'

08:35:56 mircea_popescu: this is standard in sanity land.

08:36:02 mircea_popescu: how it worked in romania of the 80s too.

08:36:10 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaIZWjItReI

08:36:21 ben_vulpes: and on the other hand, well, nominal equity in a thing?

08:36:38 ben_vulpes: shit like...

08:36:45 ben_vulpes: I don’t believe payments to owners in professional services firms are the residual profits. And why should they be, when the employees can leave and set up shop across the street with almost no need for equity capital? In the implicit negotiation over distribution of revenue, the employees have all the bargaining power. The equity will be paid a fair return, but will not receive any structural

08:36:47 ben_vulpes: increases in revenue. On the other hand,

08:36:49 ben_vulpes: the equity will continue to bear the majority of the variability in profits. This view, while not the standard economic view, has the advantage of being supported by reality. (It also accounts for why non-partner-owned professional services firms tend to conglomerate, but that’s another post.)”

08:36:56 ben_vulpes: just rings too true for comfort though.

08:37:40 ben_vulpes: perhaps i'm insane or a particularly good scammer, but i can close deals that none of the programmers on staff could ever dream of. hilariously, because they're on staff.

08:37:58 ben_vulpes: but at the same time, because i'm not a nightmare to work with, i have a near-infinite sell wall of talent.

08:38:06 ben_vulpes: so basically i can't really figure anything out.

08:38:08 ben_vulpes: halp

08:38:09 jurov: "peristaltic, multi-tentacular infinite length dildos" ... guess it was inevitable someday on this chan

08:38:40 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes that made no sense. missing context ?

08:39:12 ben_vulpes: mk let's try again

08:39:36 ben_vulpes: "when the employees can leave and set up shop across the street with almost no need for equity capital" << this is absolutely true, except for the part where they have to close deals. make friends with checkbooks, convince checkbooks of non-retardation, etc.

08:40:09 ben_vulpes: "the equity will continue to bear the majority of the variability in profits" << painfully true.

08:40:27 mircea_popescu: how is it true ?

08:40:42 ben_vulpes: devs clock time, get paid hours. simple maffs.

08:40:51 Vexual: ascicminer sinsures all itsa subsiduriaries?

08:40:52 mircea_popescu: it seems a rehash of "i could code mpex in an afternoon. you kidding, it has no css even"

08:41:01 mircea_popescu: if THAT is what is meant by "equity" the speaker is a retard.

08:41:25 ben_vulpes: for tax reasons, i clock infinity hours, get paid exactly the same amount (for medicare/aid purposes) each month.

08:41:58 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes essentially, i don't think you're proceeding on actually defined (or even considered) symbols.

08:42:54 ben_vulpes: that's certainly possible.

08:43:01 mircea_popescu: unrelatedly : the article does the valuable service of reminind people of volcker's potion. yes, interest rates WERE 20% in 81.

08:43:11 mircea_popescu: and yes it did work. and no, the bezzle wasn't as bad then as it is now.

08:43:41 mircea_popescu: and yes that's what i'd do as fed chairman : interest hike to 35%.

08:43:50 ben_vulpes: what's a reasonable set of symbols?

08:44:11 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes these can be fine if you can actually explain them. so, how is it true ?

08:44:21 Vexual: everything mariio bros

08:44:52 ben_vulpes: so equity being ownership stake in derpy consulting co.

08:45:16 ben_vulpes: profits being that which is left over after paying out contractors, staff, rent etc.

08:45:30 mircea_popescu: i don't think you understand what equity is.

08:45:38 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBjbHZrjckk fuck snow

08:46:03 mircea_popescu: equity is the accounting term for the philosophical notion of fairness.

08:46:41 ben_vulpes: ah.

08:46:58 mircea_popescu: so for instance : if you go fishing in my boat,

08:47:05 mircea_popescu: i have an equity interest in your fish. because it was my boat.

08:47:24 cazalla: Vexual, no idea, some people are pinning the theft on friedcat and provided a supposed chinese police report but turned out it was a .. random birth certificate

08:48:16 mircea_popescu: that equity is not the ownership of the boat, but an effect thereof.

08:48:39 Vexual: yeah busininess breed paranoia

08:48:53 mircea_popescu: this should readily resolve the apparent dilemma : if i do in fact have equity in your firm, it means i did something useful.

08:49:06 mircea_popescu: this means that if i hadn't the equity, it wouldn't be "the same thing".

08:49:08 mircea_popescu: right ?

08:49:16 Vexual: done and done

08:49:24 Vexual: verily

08:50:45 Vexual: ya can describe it otherwise, but the ounts unlike it

08:51:29 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ6FhS8jMHE

08:52:05 ben_vulpes: perhaps the dillema isn't so clear to me, likely due to symbolic confusion.

08:52:41 ben_vulpes: let's try again.

08:53:13 ben_vulpes: i could freelance, at some rate - let's say 2BTC/hr

08:53:26 ben_vulpes: (impossible, but for rounding errors)

08:53:55 mircea_popescu: ok.

08:55:33 ben_vulpes: instead, i coordinate work of the type i could perform on my own. that work costs me, let's say .8B. i bill at ~1.8. on volume, my take home is ~1.5B/hr (assuming 40hrs/wk, 50wks/yr. salary equality assumptions, etc.).

08:57:03 mircea_popescu: ok.

08:58:24 mircea_popescu: " They also remember the high-tech crash of 1984, and the screams of pain up and down Wall Street." << heh it nearly killed gaming altogether, and is responsible for killing consoles. (yes they still exist, but gaming is essentially a pc item)

08:59:02 ben_vulpes: the linked article on one hand doesn't make a terrific amount of sense to me because for whatever reason (perhaps i'm a particularly well-doing con man), i can sell into the buy side of "professional services" at rates that my "bankers" can't touch on their own.

08:59:27 ben_vulpes: on the other hand, during those thing months, the "bankers" walk with hours*rate, and i lose money.

08:59:33 mircea_popescu: that reason having a lot to do with the equity of your position, which you don't account for.

08:59:46 mircea_popescu: " my take home is ~1.5B/hr" [+ ??? B/hr in equity]

09:00:00 ben_vulpes: right, so we come back around to equity which i clearly don't understand formally.

09:00:22 ben_vulpes: yeah i have no idea how to account for that.

09:00:39 mircea_popescu: you do, yes. " except for the part where they have to close deals. make friends with checkbooks, convince checkbooks of non-retardation, etc"

09:00:43 mircea_popescu: those are all examples.

09:01:54 ben_vulpes: ouch.

09:01:57 mircea_popescu: hence my comment about "redoing mpex". the proposition that any two things are the same thing has serious problems in the marketplace.

09:02:00 ben_vulpes: actually, i totally get it all of a sudden.

09:02:04 mircea_popescu: yw.

09:02:31 ben_vulpes: Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlwLmyaa454

09:02:32 assbot: Ted Nugent - Stranglehold - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1CnTWqw )

09:02:58 ben_vulpes: here's the thing that makes me discount my own equity though:

09:03:28 ben_vulpes: i can think of fifteen utterly moronic doodz doing running precisely the same hustle and making vastly more money at it.

09:03:49 ben_vulpes: 99% of that is likely attributable to simply how much longer they've been doing it for.

09:04:26 mircea_popescu: cash basis is a very poor accounting principle.

09:05:16 mircea_popescu: it's fundamentally what makes people chase college degrees instead of being plumbers ; and the impulse that makes people quit their job and take up gambling after a neighbour strikes the powerball.,

09:07:03 ben_vulpes: ugh yeah and ofc shartups.

09:07:38 ben_vulpes: so here's the thing about shartups:

09:07:43 mircea_popescu: you're better off with equity than with cash, provided you can distinguish good from bad

09:07:51 mircea_popescu: cash has this advantage, that it's all the same.

09:07:58 mircea_popescu: currently, that all the same means equally bad.

09:08:40 ben_vulpes: #bitcoin-assets, by the way, has made investing *harder* for me, not *easier*.

09:09:10 mircea_popescu: duh.

09:09:17 ben_vulpes: everything must be valued in not only dollar payouts, but twenty-one-millionth payouts.

09:10:01 ben_vulpes: and there's this impossible time horizon estimation problem that the "end of civilization" brings with it.

09:10:26 ben_vulpes: it's trivial to say "clearly whatever whatever power structure will fall over."

09:10:39 ben_vulpes: but fuck my life is it hard to put time horizons on that.

09:11:15 ben_vulpes: i'm leaning towards the fiatbezzle right now.

09:11:42 ben_vulpes: it's *gotta* have another 5 years left in it.

09:12:03 mircea_popescu: why ?

09:13:02 ben_vulpes: i suppose that this is more properly spoken of in certainty intervals?

09:13:28 mircea_popescu: dude, i have nfi, im following here. you make a statement, i wanna see how you got to it

09:13:40 ben_vulpes: no, it's a good question.

09:14:23 ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> dude, i have nfi << me neither, i'm just a millwright trying to not starve this decade.

09:14:51 mircea_popescu: i don't think anyone in the wot ever actually starves.

09:15:22 ben_vulpes: hm, mebbe that's the attitude.

09:15:34 ben_vulpes: "fuck everything that happens, i'm in the wot."

09:17:09 ben_vulpes: i don't know, man! it's one fifteen in the morning and i'm tearing my hair out over how to plan for just the next decade.

09:17:09 mircea_popescu: incidentally, best sort of equity there is.

09:17:54 ben_vulpes: okay here's an argument for a protracted decline

09:18:12 ben_vulpes: migrations north are going to be slow.

09:18:17 []bot: Bet placed: 1.07888891 BTC for No on "BTC to top $500 before 1st May" http://bitbet.us/bet/1120/ Odds: 26(Y):74(N) by coin, 25(Y):75(N) by weight. Total bet: 52.01424848 BTC. Current weight: 76,629.

09:18:36 ben_vulpes: there are more or less 2 major thoroughfares, and they're pretty chokeable.

09:18:56 mircea_popescu: so ?

09:19:17 mircea_popescu: all you need to lose is 0.1% and you're finished.

09:19:42 mircea_popescu: a theoretical knowledge osama experimentally verified.

09:19:49 ben_vulpes: 0.1% of?

09:21:14 mircea_popescu: of the population.

09:21:15 mircea_popescu: "One of the hottest venture capital investment ideas?bankrolling office-supply discount chains?is starting to sour. In the past two years, investors poured nearly $200 million into at least 16 office-supply ?supermarket? chains. But today, the flood of entrants threatens a market-share war, and the result may be hard times."

09:21:25 ben_vulpes: myeah well that's a given.

09:21:33 mircea_popescu: oh gawd, the 80s, time of bad hair, bad clothes and people who thought stapler discounters are a hot vc idea.

09:21:53 ben_vulpes: im not saying the *usg* has to hold the roads and rails.

09:23:26 ben_vulpes: merely that someone must.

09:27:11 ben_vulpes: http://dpaste.com/2NCFCMR.txt << relevant

09:27:12 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Co095B )

09:27:20 ben_vulpes: from "diamond age"

09:54:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52400 @ 0.00039403 = 20.6472 BTC [+] {2}

10:00:59 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes do you know this neumann guy ?

10:01:22 mircea_popescu: http://reactionwheel.net/2015/01/80s-vc.html << well documented stuff, i'd love to see him writing for qntra

10:01:24 assbot: Heat Death: Venture Capital in the 1980s | Reaction Wheel ... ( http://bit.ly/1CnIBqg )

10:02:50 mircea_popescu: "When reading, keep in mind that I have so many conflicts of interest that I have conflicts in places where other people don?t even have interests."

10:02:51 mircea_popescu: bwahaha

10:07:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68462 @ 0.00040191 = 27.5156 BTC [+]

10:09:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 117100 @ 0.00039057 = 45.7357 BTC [-] {3}

10:22:13 mircea_popescu: "If you think bankers make too much money, focusing on how much they are paid will get you nowhere. If they are not paid 50% of firm revenue, they will go to another bank that will pay them that much. If no bank will pay them that much, they will go start a new bank. If that sort of compensation is outlawed at any bank present or future, they will start a bank where they are the equity owners and get paid that much. Th

10:22:13 mircea_popescu: e money has to go somewhere, and it?s not going to go to the providers of capital because the providers of capital to professional services companies have no negotiating leverage."

10:22:15 mircea_popescu: quite exactly.

10:22:29 mircea_popescu: you don't pay free men what you want to pay them. you pay half of what you make or you die at their hands.

10:25:57 mircea_popescu: and speaking of "what the consumer has come to expect" and related delusions, http://33.media.tumblr.com/ec04311fc14329e1162bffca1aa5b58c/tumblr_nbtmv2PZqK1segoz0o1_500.gif

10:26:00 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1EcfK90 )

10:38:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48350 @ 0.00040357 = 19.5126 BTC [+]

10:56:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20400 @ 0.00040357 = 8.2328 BTC [+]

11:21:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77500 @ 0.00039041 = 30.2568 BTC [-] {3}

11:58:00 cazalla: so when did vessenes become involved in the foundation, from what i'm reading, it was gavin that floated and promoted the idea of it back in october 2011 (piecing together some history as suggested by.. who, i forget)

11:58:59 cazalla: fwiw, vessenes' announcements that were once on bitcoinfoundation.org have been purged and only avail via archive.org now

12:11:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38650 @ 0.00038709 = 14.961 BTC [-]

12:29:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20600 @ 0.00040357 = 8.3135 BTC [+]

12:51:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74150 @ 0.00038709 = 28.7027 BTC [-]

13:04:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16800 @ 0.00040357 = 6.78 BTC [+]

13:18:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31925 @ 0.00040357 = 12.884 BTC [+]

13:31:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19142 @ 0.00038709 = 7.4097 BTC [-]

13:40:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55249 @ 0.00037168 = 20.5349 BTC [-] {2}

13:44:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91457 @ 0.00036793 = 33.6498 BTC [-] {2}

13:45:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4093 @ 0.00036732 = 1.5034 BTC [-]

13:51:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30401 @ 0.00037107 = 11.2809 BTC [+]

13:53:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36729 @ 0.00037229 = 13.6738 BTC [+] {2}

14:09:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62298 @ 0.00036694 = 22.8596 BTC [-] {2}

14:10:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 125302 @ 0.00036425 = 45.6413 BTC [-]

14:18:05 jurov: wtf s.mpoe

14:19:06 mike_c: it's part of the conspiracy to make qntra the highest share price on mpex

14:19:38 mats: i love a good conspiracy

14:19:45 jurov: isn't d.cbse the highest share price?

14:19:58 mike_c: i only count s.*

14:20:23 mike_c: not that i am masterminding the conspiracy

14:21:02 jurov: that's suspiciously specific denial

14:21:37 jurov: spill the beans, nao!

14:22:57 mike_c: it has been foretold that once s.qntra and s.mpoe cross, BTC will reach ATH.

14:27:29 jurov: lol you know what? let's put it to bitbet

14:28:18 jurov: !t m s.qntr

14:28:18 assbot: [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0.00027068 / 0.00027068 / 0.00027068 (15682 shares, 4.24 BTC), 7D: 0.00027068 / 0.00027329 / 0.000301 (17182 shares, 4.70 BTC), 30D: 0.00018731 / 0.00025621 / 0.000301 (67601 shares, 17.32 BTC)

14:28:45 jurov: when has qntra an anniversary?

14:29:04 mike_c: Oct.?

14:29:31 mats: !t m s.mpoe

14:29:31 assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00036425 / 0.0003936 / 0.00041784 (4236138 shares, 1,667.35 BTC), 7D: 0.00036425 / 0.00040146 / 0.00044462 (23643541 shares, 9,491.97 BTC), 30D: 0.00034173 / 0.00039827 / 0.00048515 (92329986 shares, 36,772.60 BTC)

14:29:31 mike_c: Yeah. listed Oct. 13, i think first post was like a week earlier

14:34:40 danielpbarron: You are blocked from following @ethereumproject and viewing @ethereumproject's Tweets. Learn more

14:35:09 danielpbarron: height=245727 vs height=197875 (usb3: height=234283)

14:39:00 jurov: ethereum server has become incredible hog...trying to run it on same hardware than some years ago, it's now impossible to sync

14:40:54 danielpbarron: you mean electrum?

14:41:07 jurov: electrum, yes

14:51:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54950 @ 0.00036975 = 20.3178 BTC [+]

15:07:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115900 @ 0.00036391 = 42.1772 BTC [-] {4}

15:14:10 jurov: ???? ???? wtf there are two? i'd say one is supposed to have lid open and other one closed, but that's not what standard says

15:25:10 BingoBoingo: jurov: It's that database on top of the other database on top of yet another database

15:32:34 jurov: ikr, the database is supposed to index the blockchain so that getting transaction history for a wallet does not require to scan gigabytes of data

15:32:58 jurov: which is exactly what electrum server seems to be doing :/

15:33:10 BingoBoingo: Seriously

15:33:18 fluffypony: jurov

15:33:29 fluffypony: reduce the transaction history to like 30

15:33:36 fluffypony: unless you require more

15:37:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38231 @ 0.00036205 = 13.8415 BTC [-] {2}

15:38:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31302 @ 0.00037229 = 11.6534 BTC [+]

15:40:14 jurov: guess i'll end up with that.

15:53:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72300 @ 0.00036 = 26.028 BTC [-] {6}

15:54:18 []bot: Bet placed: 8 BTC for No on "BTC to top $500 before 1st May" http://bitbet.us/bet/1120/ Odds: 23(Y):77(N) by coin, 22(Y):78(N) by weight. Total bet: 60.01424848 BTC. Current weight: 76,142.

15:56:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 309300 @ 0.00035795 = 110.7139 BTC [-] {3}

16:11:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59700 @ 0.00035657 = 21.2872 BTC [-] {2}

16:18:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70649 @ 0.00035645 = 25.1828 BTC [-]

16:25:01 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you don't pay free men what you want to pay them. you pay half of what you make or you die at their hands. << l0l, why only half? why not 100% plus one's saleable organs? and who are 'free men' ?

16:25:46 asciilifeform: out of context it reads not entirely unlike something lizardhitler would say to prisoners being lowered into shark pit

16:36:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110073 @ 0.00034587 = 38.0709 BTC [-] {2}

16:46:51 ben_vulpes: the freemen who take 100% plus organs are actually the lords.

16:49:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22972 @ 0.00035056 = 8.0531 BTC [+] {2}

16:55:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28900 @ 0.00035158 = 10.1607 BTC [+]

17:06:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68700 @ 0.00033798 = 23.2192 BTC [-]

17:08:50 jurov: strip mining of human resources is usually not the best strategy

17:10:31 chetty: <jurov> strip mining of human resources is usually not the best strategy// strip miners ..also know as gubermint

17:12:00 jurov: govts come and go

17:17:07 thestringpuller: ^- yes yes

17:39:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33020 @ 0.00036804 = 12.1527 BTC [+] {2}

17:49:44 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/03/overdose-case-leads-to-money-laundering-charges/

18:00:25 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/IOHK_Charles/status/572713276796100609

18:00:26 assbot: Finally a visualization of the ethereum business plan http://t.co/V16nFCG0B5

18:09:57 fluffypony: LOL

18:12:28 adlai: guy's not heard of the waterfall?

18:12:43 BingoBoingo: adlai: Clearly not.

18:30:12 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

18:30:19 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 277.79, vol: 23618.06292953 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 271.051, vol: 17889.83524 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 281.21, vol: 84767.53249337 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 279.456804, vol: 143748.93120000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 279.97259, vol: 61.28189605 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 277.17525, vol: 238.59295534 | Volume-weighted last average: 279.302752753

18:38:25 *: adlai is glad he's not running a profit center with [the current version of] scalpl... it would've lost ~5% by now, by btc accounting

18:42:21 jurov: where? on buttstamp?

18:43:32 adlai: that number is estimated off a finex account

18:44:03 kakobrekla: rally gives you trouble?

18:44:41 adlai: yes, naive market making underperforms holding during rallies like this

18:45:19 adlai: so i'm happy for bitcoin but pissed at myself

18:50:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9162 @ 0.00034034 = 3.1182 BTC [-]

18:59:10 danielpbarron: !up ascii_field

18:59:22 ascii_field: http://cryptome.org/2015/03/petraeus-information-plea.pdf << mega-l0l

18:59:27 ascii_field: ^ BingoBoingo, cazalla

18:59:38 ascii_field: and esp. mircea_popescu's article on 'plea bargains'

18:59:43 ascii_field: relevant.

18:59:57 BingoBoingo: ascii_field: Writing it up actually.

19:00:03 BingoBoingo: So much lulz

19:01:01 ascii_field: interesting that this kind of thing can be done to a general and former cia fuhrer

19:01:13 ascii_field: nobody, evidently thought 'what if he calls his men to arms?'

19:01:39 ascii_field: neither judge, nor prosecutor, nor any of the various 'preets' involved thought about anthills

19:02:29 *: adlai isn't sure how much ability somebody so high has to call the _men_ to arms

19:02:49 ascii_field: adlai: in a healthy civilization, they are the -only ones- who have it

19:02:58 adlai: if you look at the officers that defected from assad's army together with their troops, higher ranks are increasingly rare

19:03:16 ascii_field: think of ancient generals

19:03:56 ascii_field: only degenerate societies bureaucratize military command.

19:04:57 ascii_field: why is the cia described in the past tense ?!?!

19:05:08 ascii_field: in the petraeus document

19:05:47 adlai: you mean section 10 of the factual basis?

19:06:14 adlai: it seems to be a stylistic choice, everything in the basis is past tense

19:07:51 ascii_field: lol, most of the lawbreaking seems to involve... the man keeping his own notebooks after retirement

19:08:25 BingoBoingo: ascii_field: My impression is that once one assents to the role of directing and agency, they are forced to become insulated from actual charge over their subordinates to prevent 'antihills'

19:09:01 ascii_field: BingoBoingo: well yes. hence neutered civilizations.

19:09:37 BingoBoingo: Cannot call men to arms until solidly 'Schweiched'

19:15:39 lobbes: edis changed its TOS to ban IRC bouncers and "BitCoin" activities; I am in the market for a new vps provider

19:16:01 lobbes: Anyone have a good recommendation?

19:17:00 danielpbarron: sounds like a qntra article

19:18:55 danielpbarron: !up ecstaticpessimst

19:19:42 dignork: lobbes: pm

19:23:44 jurov: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIasr2AiyZ0 hahaha

19:23:46 assbot: Shocking interview! - In the mind of an altcoin developer - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DGBLYf )

19:24:37 danielpbarron: lobbes, I don't see this info anywhere else; their own ToS page does not mention it http://www.edis.at/en/about/terms-conditions/

19:24:38 assbot: edis.at :: Terms & Conditions ... ( http://bit.ly/1DGC859 )

19:26:23 lobbes: danielpbarron: http://www.edis.at/files/9214/2533/1905/tos.pdf

19:26:24 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1AWmuFo )

19:26:32 lobbes: page 5, I think

19:28:08 lobbes: er page 4, rather

19:28:36 danielpbarron: it's banned as both "peer-to-peer software," and as a "CPU intense application" (if mining)

19:28:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30650 @ 0.00034782 = 10.6607 BTC [+]

19:29:57 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

19:32:26 danielpbarron: maybe i'm just not well informed, having never used such a service, but what is the point if these things are all forbidden? (irc, peer-to-peer, etc..)

19:33:35 BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Apps, Websites... Ruby on Rails

19:39:17 trinque: !up Pierre_Rochard

19:39:24 BingoBoingo: !up vhost-

19:39:25 trinque: !up NewLiberty

19:39:43 vhost-: !info

19:39:51 trinque: vhost- is a friend of mine who wrote the bot deedbot- is based upon

19:40:05 trinque: !up deedbot-

19:40:07 BingoBoingo: Ah

19:40:12 vhost-: :)

19:40:15 BingoBoingo: !topic

19:40:21 vhost-: !help

19:40:21 assbot: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot

19:40:35 trinque: vhost-: deedbot- is only listening to add-key and add-deed

19:41:19 vhost-: nice

19:41:22 vhost-: ! commands still work

19:41:24 trinque: vhost-: if you do !register with a pubkey I'll rate you so you can self voice

19:41:32 vhost-: for help, services and help <servicename>

19:41:42 vhost-: gpg?

19:41:50 trinque: yar, I think it takes the fingerprint

19:41:58 trinque: assbot, not deedbot-

19:41:59 vhost-: does it need to be on a keyserver?

19:42:07 vhost-: I don't think I've pushed mine up yet

19:42:23 trinque: vhost-: yar, believe so

19:43:07 vhost-: I pushed it up actually

19:43:51 trinque: vhost-: !register <key fingerprint> should do it, I think

19:44:07 NewLiberty: bitcointa.lk's security certificate expired 2 day(s) ago.

19:44:37 danielpbarron: assbot should also accept a link to an ascii armored public key like deedbot; not sure why it still depends on a keyserver and fingerprints

19:44:38 vhost-: !register DAAE E6B5 D729 10B7 4A6F 01F9 52A4 B5B2 F318 8BF2

19:44:38 assbot: That does not seem to be a valid fingerprint.

19:44:39 NewLiberty: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/best_of_mpoe-pr links to it

19:44:52 BingoBoingo: NewLiberty: Even if it wasn't hard to count on SSL for actual security.

19:44:56 kakobrekla: vhost- drop the spaces

19:44:57 vhost-: !register DAAEE6B5D72910B74A6F01F952A4B5B2F3188BF2

19:44:57 assbot: Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: DAAEE6B5D72910B74A6F01F952A4B5B2F3188BF2. This may take a few moments.

19:44:57 assbot: Key F3188BF2 / "Kyle Terry <kyle@kyleterry.com>" successfully imported.

19:44:57 assbot: Registration successful.

19:44:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58200 @ 0.00035896 = 20.8915 BTC [+] {2}

19:45:14 vhost-: nice

19:45:23 NewLiberty: It does a few things pretty well.

19:45:48 NewLiberty: Raises the barrier to entry for the session hijacking biz

19:46:26 trinque: !rate vhost- 3 wrote tenyks, on which deedbot is based

19:46:26 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/c3065b1bfb076db2

19:47:00 trinque: !v assbot:trinque.rate.vhost-.3:94d09c5f0815956839f57a47e437f478d00cf6ee7021d47a8cff593f7137cf2a

19:47:00 assbot: Successfully added a rating of 3 for vhost- with note: wrote tenyks, on which deedbot is based

19:47:11 trinque: vhost-: you should be able to !up yourself from now on

19:47:45 trinque: !gettrust vhost-

19:47:45 assbot: Trust relationship from user trinque to user vhost-: Level 1: 3, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/trinque/vhost- | http://w.b-a.link/user/vhost-

19:48:15 NewLiberty: SSL won't stop WCCP intermediaries or anyone with #enable (or better) in your path, but it keeps the lesser evils at bay.

19:48:34 vhost-: man, this is cool

19:50:07 danielpbarron: !gettrust assbot vhost-

19:50:08 assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user vhost-: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/vhost- | http://w.b-a.link/user/vhost-

19:50:14 danielpbarron: ^ no he cannot up himself

19:50:16 trinque: danielpbarron: ah, I was wrong

19:50:33 trinque: so uh, how does a brother get in assbot's L1

19:51:04 BingoBoingo: !rate vhost- 1 +v easy come easy go

19:51:04 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/b5b4f429f26e179c

19:52:20 BingoBoingo: !v assbot:BingoBoingo.rate.vhost-.1:32d3011ff47604f12772bffec4fa4822d82f23c755258220a74b2e912b33103e

19:52:20 assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for vhost- with note: +v easy come easy go

19:52:20 danielpbarron: trinque, it's a mystery by design for the purpose of preventing gaming of the system

19:52:47 trinque: interesting

19:56:44 vhost-: oh man

19:56:47 vhost-: I have a lot to learn here

19:59:34 lobbes: !b 2

19:59:35 assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2SATZZ0.txt )

20:00:03 BingoBoingo: scoopbot -fetch

20:00:06 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/03/former-cia-director-avoids-trial/

20:00:25 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

20:03:47 adlai: vhost-: small world

20:07:12 jurov: BingoBoingo: "extramartial" lover ?

20:07:18 jurov: lmao

20:08:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26938 @ 0.00034782 = 9.3696 BTC [-]

20:08:40 BingoBoingo: lol, unintentional jurov fixed

20:10:49 BingoBoingo: !up vhost-

20:11:09 BingoBoingo: vhost-: Why haven't you up'd yourself yet.

20:11:31 BingoBoingo: !gettrust assbot vhost-

20:11:32 assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user vhost-: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/vhost- | http://w.b-a.link/user/vhost-

20:13:54 mike_c: this tenyks thingy.. this looks cool

20:14:32 mike_c: separation of the irc bot part and the service part. a good idea.

20:16:36 mike_c: it makes me a little nervous though that it is written by a self declared shitty go programmer though :)

20:16:55 danielpbarron: at least he's in the WoT :p

20:17:01 adlai: are you also nervous reading socrates?

20:17:14 mike_c: i don't run socrates' software

20:17:41 kakobrekla: !b 2

20:17:42 assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1Z1C4GR.txt )

20:21:56 ascii_field: l0l

20:22:56 ascii_field: BingoBoingo: you left out key detail in petraeus article - the 'black books' were the man's own notebooks

20:25:15 BingoBoingo: ascii_field: Updated looking into that aspect more

20:33:13 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

20:33:30 jurov: !up twizt

20:33:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54162 @ 0.00034265 = 18.5586 BTC [-]

20:35:30 ascii_field: http://www.ada-ru.org/prj_doc.html << ru ministry of defense's documentation centre, allegedly, runs on gnat

20:35:31 assbot: Ada_Ru ... ( http://bit.ly/1zFCC9e )

20:37:24 jurov: ascii_field: you seen a pamflet claiming ada was intended as elaborate hoax to set back russian progrmamers?

20:38:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91833 @ 0.00036476 = 33.497 BTC [+] {2}

20:39:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5167 @ 0.00036948 = 1.9091 BTC [+]

20:40:11 jurov: can't find it anymore, it was hilarious

20:41:10 jurov: !up twizt

20:41:15 jurov: !up vhost-

20:41:34 jurov: !up Bagels7

20:41:51 jurov: !up diana_coman

20:43:31 vhost-: !up vhost-

20:46:10 danielpbarron: https://twitter.com/danielpbarron/status/572852607066107906

20:46:12 assbot: Awesome new scripting functionality for Bitcoin: Violations of the first sale doctrine http://t.co/p4mN7tw6md

20:46:20 vhost-: mike_c: thanks! I plan on swapping out redis pub/sub for zeromq so I can add authentication. basically you can run an IRC bot for a community, then your friends give you a public key that allows them to connect to the pub/sub.

20:46:30 vhost-: then you don't have to maintain your friend's services

20:46:57 mike_c: yeah, that could be useful around here

20:46:59 ascii_field: jurov: hoax << classic essay

20:46:59 vhost-: they just run them on their own servers

20:48:42 ascii_field: jurov: i don't think i will ever -enjoy- ada. but the more one studies it, the less escapable is the conclusion that 1) it is a necessary thing 2) for which there is, at present, no credible alternative whatsoever

20:49:12 ben_vulpes: whoa a vhost-?

20:52:43 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by thestringpuller: http://qntra.net/2015/03/highlights-from-february-2015s-state-of-bitcoin/

20:53:52 danielpbarron: "The also managed" -> "They also managed" ?

20:53:57 ascii_field: ^ broken link for s.nsa statemen

20:55:33 vhost-: ben_vulpes: :)

20:55:55 BingoBoingo: SHould all be fixed nao

20:56:49 cazalla: yeah, thestringpuller uses ? instead of " and it botches the links BingoBoingo

20:57:00 BingoBoingo: Spotted it

20:57:14 danielpbarron: "mod6 was able to successfully modify asciilifeform's build script of the portatronic build used in the Pogo, to statically build .. " << was this the issue? because I used the portatronic build script and the resulting binary didn't work on debian for arm -- said it needed a different version of some thing i don't recall at the moment

20:57:36 ascii_field: danielpbarron: mod6 found that it wasn't 100% static (iirc used libc)

20:57:43 danielpbarron: yes that

20:58:32 ascii_field: i overlooked this because assumed that static build worked given as test was on box known to lack openssl, boost, bdb as centrally installed libs

21:01:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100050 @ 0.00037089 = 37.1075 BTC [+] {2}

21:01:28 danielpbarron: is the netbsd thing going to be an automated installer that puts the base system on the attached drive?

21:01:43 ascii_field: danielpbarron: nothing but blockchain should ever live on attached drive

21:02:07 ascii_field: (note that 'pogo' won't ever boot from usb3)

21:02:40 danielpbarron: unless there is some driver problem i'm experiencing, you won't want to put the blockchain on usb3

21:02:51 danielpbarron: it's significantly slower than even a 5400 rpm sata drive

21:03:05 ascii_field: danielpbarron: probably just arch

21:03:23 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

21:03:37 danielpbarron: and sure, it won't boot from usb3 but it will boot from sata

21:03:46 danielpbarron: but if it doesn't need to that's sweet

21:04:58 []bot: Bet placed: 1.0217 BTC for Yes on "BTC to top $500 before 1st May" http://bitbet.us/bet/1120/ Odds: 24(Y):76(N) by coin, 23(Y):77(N) by weight. Total bet: 61.03594848 BTC. Current weight: 75,760.

21:10:36 ascii_field: danielpbarron: os and bitcoind should live in eeprom

21:10:51 ascii_field: (ideally, in one-time-burn antifuse rom, but we don't have it in this box)

21:15:22 ascii_field: http://www.wsj.com/articles/us-agents-raid-alleged-maternity-tourism-anchor-baby-businesses-catering-to-chinese-1425404456 << l0lz

21:15:24 assbot: Federal Agents Raid Alleged ‘Maternity Tourism’ Businesses Catering to Chinese - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1GOv2iv )

21:15:29 mod6: thestringpuller: Maybe the Address wasn't clear enough, but the main goal for March is to publish the milestone release. We have some regression testing ahead of us though.

21:29:16 thestringpuller: mod6: yea the milestone release isn't mentioned in section 0x3

21:29:22 []bot: Bet placed: 1.51 BTC for Yes on "BTC to top $413 before Songkran" http://bitbet.us/bet/1122/ Odds: 27(Y):73(N) by coin, 26(Y):74(N) by weight. Total bet: 11.93804235 BTC. Current weight: 80,040.

21:29:55 thestringpuller: except at the end with the implied "Work is halting on this for now as the main focus will be the v0.5.3.1 milestone release. Stay tuned for more on this.

21:29:58 thestringpuller: "

21:30:20 thestringpuller: but that relates to the OpenBSD patch

21:31:25 mod6: Eh, well, it's what was meant by the Regression Testing section :]

21:31:48 mod6: w/e

21:32:45 thestringpuller: ah a tad confusing. release milestone wasn't highlighted so I trimmed it out of the article :P

21:32:59 thestringpuller: (wasn't the spotlight)

21:33:06 mod6: yeah, my bad. i'll be more clear next time

21:34:02 thestringpuller: I was just trying to highlight the big wins without pulling too much away from the address itself. Cause I'd rather people go the address for more information.

21:34:13 thestringpuller: Cause the address is very well detailed.

21:35:03 mod6: np. i just want people to get from your article that we're focused on publishing the release as soon as possible. hopefully this month.

21:35:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69500 @ 0.00037229 = 25.8742 BTC [+]

21:35:51 mod6: anyway, no worries. thanks for the write up.

21:35:55 thestringpuller: I'll have BingoBoingo add it

21:37:00 lobbes: !up ascii_field

21:37:48 ascii_field: http://lists.adacore.com/pipermail/gtkada/2009-June/003811.html << achtung shitgnomologists.

21:37:49 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1CrQ33U )

21:37:56 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell lobbes 1) Yes, provided we make sure we have the right keyfinderprint to attribute work to. 2) Hard to say unless you write it up and see what comes out of it.

21:37:56 gribble: The operation succeeded.

21:38:01 ascii_field: ^ prevents gtkada from working even now

21:38:15 ascii_field: and likewise the spiffy editor, 'gps

21:38:16 ascii_field: '

21:40:54 BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: added

21:41:30 thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: thx

21:41:56 thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: typo strip the " mark

21:42:02 thestringpuller: at the end (it's trailing)

21:42:27 BingoBoingo: dome

21:44:00 ascii_field: is there -any- worthwhile piece of software entirely unafflicted by this retardation ?

21:45:53 mod6: thx guise.

21:49:07 thestringpuller: ascii_field: is this a rhetorical question?

21:55:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114805 @ 0.00037127 = 42.6237 BTC [-]

22:07:26 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

22:09:54 ascii_field: http://dpaste.com/0RZE5MG.txt << latest ver. won't build, either

22:09:56 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zW7bZt )

22:20:38 mod6: ld: cannot find -lgtkada_gl << you might be able to link this lib directly.

22:20:50 ascii_field: it's built as part of the thing

22:20:54 ascii_field: catch-22

22:21:09 ascii_field: at any rate, i got past that by ./configure --with-GL=no

22:21:12 mod6: yeah, up above. i saw that. hmm.

22:22:06 ascii_field: now 'gprbuild' won't build

22:23:18 ascii_field: what a joke this whole 'open' thing is

22:23:41 ascii_field: every time i do this, i get the distinct feeling that i'm the only living thing other than the package maintainer/developer who tried to build it

22:23:54 ascii_field: and everybody else just chumps along using the binary pkg

22:24:01 mod6: haha. "some assembly required"

22:24:36 ascii_field: i have no problem whatsoever with 'some assembly required'

22:24:40 mod6: it used to be that everyone built from the source. yah, now most people just rely on their package system

22:24:51 ascii_field: but the shitgnomes don't sleep, and they break off necessary parts

22:25:24 ascii_field: and using vintage netbsd or whatever mircea_popescu does, is not a magic pill against this

22:26:16 ascii_field: because the info re: what combination of p,q,r,s,t...that add up to a working z is lost to the sands of time

22:26:38 ascii_field: because 9 out of 10 times it only existed on the original author's machine

22:26:42 ascii_field: and he wasn't even aware of it

22:28:21 mod6: ya, i see what you mean

22:32:02 ascii_field: checking for xmlada... no configure: error: cannot find xmlada

22:32:10 ascii_field: ^ and yes it's installed

22:37:55 lobbes: !up ascii_field

22:49:56 mircea_popescu: goood mornin!

22:50:28 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2015#1039750 << it became politically inconvenient to admit it sometime last year.

22:50:28 assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 11:58:59; cazalla: fwiw, vessenes' announcements that were once on bitcoinfoundation.org have been purged and only avail via archive.org now

22:51:10 mircea_popescu: but otherwise, the bit of history they're trying to purge is that vessennes was the head and treasurer of the thing, in total outrageous breach of common practice, and he got all the early bitcoin donated to it in his own name and used it for his own purposes.

22:51:14 ascii_field: if anyone actually gives a fuck about these, cache'em - archive.org can and has been prevailed upon to do the 'polite society' thing before

22:51:27 mircea_popescu: the current foundation is an embarassing shell, nothing but obligaitons for them so they're trying to shed it.

22:52:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48900 @ 0.00036007 = 17.6074 BTC [-] {2}

22:52:29 mircea_popescu: ascii_field the derp party is slowly learning that they can not purge things.

22:52:48 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2015/the-fetlife-meatlist-volume-i/ << grep for "further update" in the same line.

22:52:49 assbot: The Fetlife Meatlist - Volume I pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1AXgaO7 )

22:53:15 ascii_field: their magical wand of 'let's all the folks who Know How The World Works (TM) pretend this Never Existed' still works great.

22:53:48 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2015#1039772 << this reminds me of the s.dice / s.mpoe duel of yore.

22:53:48 assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 14:22:57; mike_c: it has been foretold that once s.qntra and s.mpoe cross, BTC will reach ATH.

22:54:04 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2013/smpoe-market-cap-vs-sdice-market-cap/ stuff

22:54:05 assbot: S.MPOE market cap vs S.DICE market cap pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1AXgxYZ )

22:55:02 mircea_popescu: ascii_field yeah. this is how it works : http://www.demotivation.us/media/demotivators/demotivation.us__ENVY-It-Wears-a-Coat-and-Hides-in-Hallways-1.jpg

22:55:02 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1AErf1K )

22:55:12 mircea_popescu: they're great at wearing coats and hiding in hallways.

22:57:55 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2015#1039794 << no, make larger blocks!

22:57:55 assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 15:33:29; fluffypony: reduce the transaction history to like 30

22:58:16 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2015#1039804 << bankers, in that example.

22:58:16 assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 16:25:01; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you don't pay free men what you want to pay them. you pay half of what you make or you die at their hands. << l0l, why only half? why not 100% plus one's saleable organs? and who are 'free men' ?

22:58:37 mircea_popescu: but generally, liberal professions / highly skilled professionals. which pointedly does not include coding monkeys, as per us law.

22:59:24 ascii_field: doesn't include anyone who works on a salary (how'd that work ?)

22:59:36 mircea_popescu: depends.

22:59:47 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2015#1039824 << scam.

22:59:47 assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 18:38:25; *: adlai is glad he's not running a profit center with [the current version of] scalpl... it would've lost ~5% by now, by btc accounting

23:00:04 ascii_field: folks who are in one of the traditionally recognized guilds - possibly

23:00:30 ascii_field: (programmers blew their chance to establish a guild long, long ago)

23:00:43 mircea_popescu: pretty much erryone but you, alf. models promoting consumer items. athletes. lawyers. financial anythings. business consultants. you name it

23:00:50 mircea_popescu: millions and millions of people. just not naggum.

23:01:32 ascii_field: interestingly, he understood the fact, the how, and the why - actually studied, at one point before he gave up, to become a lawyer (in no.)

23:01:51 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2015#1039838 << interesting'd not be the word i use.

23:01:51 assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 19:01:01; ascii_field: interesting that this kind of thing can be done to a general and former cia fuhrer

23:02:31 mircea_popescu: ascii_field ancient article on fraudsters, back in romanian decade, "half of the revenue or gtfo".

23:02:53 mircea_popescu: and also included "your job is to sell me on how much leverage you put at my disposal to make that revenue, nothing else."

23:02:57 adlai: "scam"?

23:03:08 ascii_field: the cost of replacing naggums with 'code monkeys' to prevent the guild will be paid for 1000 years.

23:03:12 mircea_popescu: !s scam

23:03:14 assbot: 2395 results for 'scam' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=scam

23:03:14 mircea_popescu: it

23:03:16 mircea_popescu: s what we say!

23:03:21 ascii_field: and much higher than would've cost otherwise.

23:03:34 mircea_popescu: ascii_field it doesn't count unless it's on the pointed end of a stick.

23:03:35 ascii_field: *of having replaced

23:04:11 mircea_popescu: that's the thing all the castrato "experts" with "degrees" fail to grasp. it doesn't matter what "reality" is, may be thought to be, could be inferred etc.

23:04:18 mircea_popescu: if you don't have a pointed stick driving it, it's not real.

23:04:23 []bot: Bet created: "BTC to rise vs USD in March" http://bitbet.us/bet/1125/

23:05:18 ascii_field: stick's pretty sharp, i'm sitting on it as we speak

23:05:30 ascii_field: as is ben_vulpes, and a buncha folks

23:05:31 []bot: Bet placed: 3.06123281 BTC for Yes on "BTC to rise vs USD in March" http://bitbet.us/bet/1125/ Odds: 100(Y):0(N) by coin, 100(Y):0(N) by weight. Total bet: 3.06123281 BTC. Current weight: 99,996.

23:05:37 mircea_popescu: you misunderstand. the other way.

23:05:46 mircea_popescu: the " cost of replacing naggums" way.

23:06:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84300 @ 0.00035335 = 29.7874 BTC [-]

23:06:18 ascii_field: at this point they need to pray to the gods, possibly no amount of naggum will suffice

23:06:38 mircea_popescu: entirely besides the point.

23:07:12 ascii_field: the very concept that software could actually work in the sense in which other engineered objects work, is nearly forgotten

23:07:18 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2015#1039839 << what men ?

23:07:18 assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 19:01:13; ascii_field: nobody, evidently thought 'what if he calls his men to arms?'

23:07:24 ascii_field: (see today's log for example)

23:07:37 mircea_popescu: they have nothing. this is proof positive that the cia is as worthless as the vassar feminist book club.

23:07:44 mircea_popescu: think about hassling beria in that manner.

23:08:01 ascii_field: kryuchkov had nobody either

23:08:04 ascii_field: had to eat his pistol

23:08:07 ascii_field: same deal.

23:08:10 mircea_popescu: right.

23:09:18 mircea_popescu: and for that matter, beria actually picked up women off the street, raped them for a while and then dropped them off.

23:10:38 []bot: Bet created: "Bitcoin above MtGox $266 high 2 years on" http://bitbet.us/bet/1126/

23:14:52 []bot: Bet placed: 3.08750005 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin above MtGox $266 high 2 years on" http://bitbet.us/bet/1126/ Odds: 99(Y):1(N) by coin, 99(Y):1(N) by weight. Total bet: 3.23750005 BTC. Current weight: 99,991.

23:15:37 mircea_popescu: so, logically speaking, if the cia were anything like a secret service, we'd know who exactly is^H^H was the lizzard hitler by grepping sudden deaths for warfarin.

23:18:48 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2015#1039846 << guess.

23:18:48 assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 19:04:57; ascii_field: why is the cia described in the past tense ?!?!

23:18:54 mircea_popescu: it's like the nsa. a corpse.

23:19:53 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell gabriel_laddel http://40.media.tumblr.com/da726933b1b7585ef15ad310503b7381/tumblr_muu0t7ryeg1sh4jg7o1_500.jpg

23:19:54 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1AEA3Va )

23:19:54 gribble: The operation succeeded.

23:23:35 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2015#1039855 << someone still has to make a bitcoin host already.

23:23:35 assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 19:16:01; lobbes: Anyone have a good recommendation?

23:24:23 mircea_popescu: lobbes anyway, stop running vps' get a damned server. it's not THAT much.

23:26:32 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2015#1039897 << this is actually a decent point.

23:26:32 assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 19:44:37; danielpbarron: assbot should also accept a link to an ascii armored public key like deedbot; not sure why it still depends on a keyserver and fingerprints

23:29:09 lobbes: mircea_popescu: You mean a physical server in my own abode? or just leasing a 'dedicated server' somewhere?

23:29:22 lobbes: I'd imagine the latter would fall prey to the same issues as a vps

23:29:33 lobbes: ultimately out of my control

23:29:36 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2015#1039918 << i dun think the guy's much online anymore.

23:29:36 assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 19:48:15; NewLiberty: SSL won't stop WCCP intermediaries or anyone with #enable (or better) in your path, but it keeps the lesser evils at bay.

23:29:56 mircea_popescu: lobbes ideally, colocate. but otherwise, sure, get a dedi, if they start discussing what you run on it tell them to get lost./

23:30:05 mircea_popescu: no, it would not. it bein g... your server.

23:30:20 mircea_popescu: if you want to run it at 100% doing shell forks for five months, your problem.

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23:37:27 mircea_popescu: dude srsly ?

23:40:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40131 @ 0.00036706 = 14.7305 BTC [+]

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23:42:47 lobbes: I love that term; 'resources'

23:43:08 PeterL: seems rather vague, what are the actually trying to sell?

23:43:36 mircea_popescu: nothing.

23:43:39 mircea_popescu: for 599 a month.

23:45:27 mircea_popescu: !up ecstaticpessimst

23:58:39 cazalla: scoopbot -fetch

23:59:01 NewLiberty: "free project management support" = they'll spend your money for you and won't charge more than the money that they spend for you?

23:59:04 cazalla: no offense PeterL but scoopbot is the worst bot evar

23:59:06 cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/03/antonopoulos-afp-ag-ato-appear-before-australian-senate/

23:59:07 assbot: Antonopoulos, AFP, AG & ATO Appear Before Australian Senate | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1GPbNFm )

23:59:18 PeterL: sorry, cazalla

23:59:54 gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: ewww