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00:00:38 bounce: dunno. 40 nm slc or something.

00:00:54 bounce: (notice how the industry counts: single. multi. triple.)

00:00:57 asciilifeform: re: usb: it is important to remember that using winblows is a strictly voluntary surrender.

00:01:14 bounce: the volunteers tend to not see it that way

00:01:18 asciilifeform: anyone who does, and uses an external drive that faithfully stores bits (no micro diddling) is vulnerable to a world of fun

00:01:24 asciilifeform: e.g. icon parser overflows, etc.

00:02:36 asciilifeform: cardano uses a micro-sd card for storage, and assumes that said card was built by the devil

00:02:46 asciilifeform: so the card only sees crypted blocks.

00:02:53 asciilifeform: and never a key

00:03:26 asciilifeform: (lives on its own bus, too. because basic literacy.)

00:04:17 bounce: huh, since today ze wifi developed a habit of cutting all live connections every hour or so. possibly the isp did an "upgrade", they pulled that before, with similar effects. oh the joys of CPEs, even brand name issue ("cisco" here)

00:04:43 asciilifeform: bounce: you're using a router supplied by other people ?!

00:05:08 bounce: I'm not (directly) paying for the connection either

00:05:21 asciilifeform: there are dumb isps where i live, that want you to use their router. most of them are easily dealt with (MAC spoof)

00:06:48 bounce: were it up to me I'd separate out the docsis3 part into a standalone thingy and do the rest elsewhere.

00:07:25 asciilifeform: buy a generic docsis modem, reflash the addr, problem solved.

00:08:10 bounce: can't do that in this situation though. I suppose I could at least separate out ze wifi with an extra box.

00:08:51 bounce: the important stuff is all on wire that that doesn't seem to suffer

00:12:02 bounce: lot of docsis2 kit floating around fer cheapers, docsis3 not so much

00:17:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17950 @ 0.00094785 = 17.0139 BTC [+]

00:26:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00094797 = 9.0057 BTC [+] {2}

00:31:30 mike_c: for you 3d printing nerds:

00:31:32 mike_c: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WWHpWgaq7I

00:31:32 ozbot: Taste Testing 3D-Printed Food - YouTube

00:34:40 moiety: i heard 3d printing

00:35:10 mike_c: 3d print your candy

00:38:30 moiety: mike_c: thats epic, thanks for shairing... i would make a million of the rainbow cube thingys

00:38:54 mike_c: interlocking candy is pretty cool

00:39:36 moiety: only <$5k!

00:39:39 moiety: o.o

00:40:33 moiety: though, thats epic personalised presents for the rest of your days

00:41:48 moiety: i wonder if it could do interlocking tablet

00:45:30 MisterE: orning

00:45:33 MisterE: morning

00:45:57 MisterE: ;;ticker --market huobi

00:45:58 gribble: Error: This is not one of the supported markets. Please choose one of ['bcent', 'btcn', 'coinbase', 'cbx', 'bitmynt', 'btsp', 'btcavg', 'krk', 'btcde', 'btce', 'bfx'] or 'all'

00:45:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0449 = 0.1796 BTC [+]

00:46:38 MisterE: ;;ticker --market all

00:46:46 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 427.5, vol: 36070.62603398 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 419.159, vol: 32637.1552 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 426.41, vol: 29119.54721647 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 434.45, vol: 188.43956285 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 398.397078, vol: 9760.74860000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 440.01, vol: 4.2822138 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 468.112001377, vol: 194.25015683 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)

00:51:13 moiety: morning MisterE :)

00:55:11 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

00:55:12 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 428.41, Best ask: 429.32, Bid-ask spread: 0.91000, Last trade: 429.33, 24 hour volume: 36275.95162166, 24 hour low: 425.53, 24 hour high: 494.98, 24 hour vwap: 455.536355556

00:55:37 mircea_popescu: urgently need moar drama to prop up exchange rate

00:55:38 mircea_popescu: and lulz

00:56:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.056 = 0.28 BTC [-] {2}

00:56:58 MisterE: lel

00:57:13 BingoBoingo: NeoBee branches full of AIDs needles?

00:57:47 mircea_popescu: moar like bitpay steps in to rescue coinbase which steps in to rescue kraken which steps in to rescue neobee which steps in to rescue i forget what

00:58:00 cazalla: imagine explaining this one when you're older http://i.imgur.com/ZcCxcwC.png

00:58:36 mircea_popescu: cazalla im not so sure there exist any tattoo on any twentysomething that could be explained by a 50 something

00:58:52 cazalla: neobeo stepped in to rescue weex remember

01:01:01 mircea_popescu: o right

01:01:17 mircea_popescu: because teh ceo had personal funds there.

01:01:23 mircea_popescu: very good way to run corps.

01:08:33 Duffer1: wait waaht

01:09:04 Duffer1: first lawl tattoo

01:09:12 Duffer1: second someone had money in weex?

01:09:51 Duffer1: nm why am i surprised

01:12:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0564 = 0.1692 BTC [+]

01:17:08 moiety: omg my eyes burn at thattattoo mircea_popescu

01:21:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5314 @ 0.00094474 = 5.0203 BTC [-]

01:22:05 moiety: ffs.. i had to look, and yes someone has done it. http://futurefashionstyle.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Pallas-Cat-Riding-a-Fox-15-Top-Cat-Tattoo.jpg

01:24:56 moiety: asciilifeform: i have a manul i cant read! its in russian i think

01:42:02 asciilifeform: moiety: ?

01:42:35 moiety: asciilifeform: this one http://i.imgur.com/5tUUa.jpg

01:43:03 asciilifeform: moiety: 'Pet the cat.' under: 'Pet the cat, bitch'

01:43:21 dignork: moiety, I had this as wallpaper on my desktop pc :)

01:43:31 moiety: lolol thank you very much asciilifeform!

01:44:26 moiety: dignork: heres mine http://i.imgur.com/8RGgUEd.png :D

01:44:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 91 @ 0.00565011 = 0.5142 BTC [-] {6}

01:45:31 dignork: moiety, neat, but no text. p.s. windows?

01:46:49 moiety: dignork: i rotate my manuls, some are unlabelled. and i would prefer a non-microshaft machine, but priorities just now

01:47:41 asciilifeform: moiety: http://messybeast.com/genetics/hyb-lynx-bobcat.htm

01:51:02 moiety: asciilifeform: thats incredible. its really interesting how they are all a bit different. I'm espcieally surprised at the ocelot hybrid. (and the fact theres such a thing as a cryptozoologist)

01:51:44 moiety: "bobelots" lol

01:53:04 dignork: moiety, http://megademotivator.ru/uploads/posts/images/vot-on-111-glazhenyj-manul_1.jpg - "already petted"

01:54:49 moiety: lololol ^ [still embarrased i thought he was really that size D:]

01:56:56 BingoBoingo: moiety: That one might be, "glandular disorder"

01:58:46 moiety: lolol BingoBoingo "he's just big boned!"

01:59:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.57 BTC [-]

01:59:46 BingoBoingo: The late colonel http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/31/tech/social-media/apparently-this-matters-rip-colonel-meow/

02:00:07 moiety: asciilifeform: i didn't know they had a name for this either http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantom_cat [Alien Big Cats]

02:01:00 moiety: BingoBoingo: is he just famous for looking grumpy too?

02:01:20 BingoBoingo: moiety: That's a different one

02:01:48 moiety: i know grumpy cat but this one looks rather sour too... what did he do?

02:02:10 moiety: ah.. "proud, plotting and evil, as though he might actually murder a small human just for sport."

02:02:28 moiety: I didn't know you had a cat BingoBoingo! :P

02:02:46 BingoBoingo: moiety: I don't

02:03:12 moiety: just kidding, you need to get a corgi

02:03:41 BingoBoingo: Eh

02:13:11 cazalla: moiety: i know about one of those phantom cats (blue mountains panther), we were always told it broke free when a cage overturned from a circus travelling up the mountain

02:15:01 moiety: cazalla: ever seen it? i wonder how many of these phantom cats were secret exotic pets that got loose

02:16:13 cazalla: moiety: nope and i don't know anyone that does, the story changes over time though - where the circus caravan overturned etc

02:18:19 moiety: cazalla: that's one thing that can be said for our nessie, she doesn't ever move lol

02:21:22 jayk: oh me oh my

02:21:27 jayk: love that country pie

02:21:40 jayk: !dirtypic

02:25:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.56 BTC [-]

02:26:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.550135 = 3.3008 BTC [-] {2}

02:27:32 BingoBoingo: .bait

02:27:33 ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5gib2usBi1rx9omho1_500.jpg

02:32:51 KRS-One: no moar bait =(

02:34:56 BingoBoingo: KRS-One: But bait is your favorite

02:36:59 KRS-One: yeah..must fix ozbot..i knew something was going wrong toward the end. He was spitting out links to 70's and black and white porn.

02:37:28 KRS-One: They didn't shave in the 70's..our poor parents had sub par pron indeed. We have it so much better these days.

02:49:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 476 @ 0.0008881 = 0.4227 BTC [+] {6}

02:56:59 moiety: whenever i write anything, i just sound sarcastic as fuck D:

02:57:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13350 @ 0.0009439 = 12.6011 BTC [-]

02:57:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 58 @ 0.00580748 = 0.3368 BTC [+] {3}

03:00:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18292 @ 0.00094343 = 17.2572 BTC [-] {2}

03:06:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.061136 = 0.5502 BTC [+]

03:06:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 95 @ 0.00580989 = 0.5519 BTC [+] {2}

03:07:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.061135 = 0.7948 BTC [-]

03:11:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52450 @ 0.00094122 = 49.367 BTC [-] {3}

03:39:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15435 @ 0.00094205 = 14.5405 BTC [+]

03:44:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 335 @ 0.0003882 = 0.13 BTC [-] {4}

03:46:20 MisterE: cazalla: I forgot, what do you do man? work in IT?

03:46:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.0057785 = 1.1557 BTC [-] {4}

03:47:00 MisterE: we had that great chat the other night then nothing since I feel like I've ben dumped after a hot 1-night stand :p

03:47:25 MisterE: but, without the gay stuff

03:47:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.0150003 = 0.15 BTC [+] {2}

03:48:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 16 @ 0.01500009 = 0.24 BTC [-] {3}

03:49:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.59499998 = 1.19 BTC [+] {2}

03:51:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 15 @ 0.056 = 0.84 BTC [-]

03:53:35 artifexd: ;;ident mod6

03:53:35 gribble: Nick 'mod6', with hostmask 'mod6!ef61891ff2@rider.us', is not identified.

03:58:28 artifexd: ;;rate mod6 1 Runs ATC bot BitOTTer910 in #altcoin

03:58:30 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mod6 has been recorded.

04:01:20 artifexd: ;;rate mod6 1 Runs ATC bot BitOTTer in #altcoin

04:01:21 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user mod6 has changed from 1 to 1.

04:05:29 cazalla: MisterE: nothing atm, stay at home dad

04:06:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5954686 = 1.1909 BTC [+] {2}

04:13:09 cazalla: ah, he's not here.. who doesn't use a bouncer?

04:15:25 Mats_cd03: i use irccloud

04:15:31 Mats_cd03: is nice

04:16:01 Mats_cd03: but theres a log so it doesnt really matter

04:19:20 cazalla: but i don't know if he reads it so he might assume i am ignoring him

04:20:07 cazalla: plus i'm instantly suspicious when someone asks what i do

04:20:30 cazalla: it's 2014, i can be a stay at home dad, check your privilege ffs

04:23:02 nubbins`: ha

04:25:52 Mats_cd03: being a stay at home dad is privilege

04:26:53 artifexd: Mats_cd03, I just got my invite and am looking forward to trying it. Thanks for the pointer.

04:27:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18691 @ 0.00094417 = 17.6475 BTC [+] {2}

04:28:35 Mats_cd03: its well worth the 5 dollars a month imo

04:29:04 cazalla: Mats_cd03: yeah, it's good, sick of seeing the wife so much each day though :P

04:30:13 cazalla: breastfeeding mothers are in a class of their own when it comes to nagging/whinging

04:32:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3170 @ 0.00094474 = 2.9948 BTC [+]

04:33:28 MisterE: hahaha

04:34:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6750 @ 0.00094474 = 6.377 BTC [+]

04:35:27 cazalla: MisterE: so you do read logs

04:35:58 MisterE: not always

04:36:12 MisterE: but I probably should

04:38:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 72 @ 0.00387486 = 0.279 BTC [-] {13}

04:39:58 cazalla: so what do you do for a crust

04:44:57 cads: wow I just read mircea completely demolish some logic, and then make an unfounded claim. An anonymous kid attacked the claim, to which mircea finally admitted the claim was true because he was the elder and does not have to give an explanation and take it or leave it

04:45:32 cads: then the kid actually kowtows and apologizes for being treated this way and even _thanks mircea for replying at all_

04:45:41 cads: I laughed mightily

04:46:12 cazalla: cads: are you still sober these days?

04:48:06 cads: what do you mean?

04:48:30 cazalla: you talked about it last year - i'm reading through the logs from the start and came across that like a week ago

04:49:53 cads: ah, okay

04:50:23 cazalla: i wasn't having a go at you

04:50:52 cads: it's okay

04:51:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26000 @ 0.00094555 = 24.5843 BTC [+] {2}

04:52:42 cads: I still maintain sobriety from alcohol and other drugs, but I smoke pot

04:53:56 cazalla: I quit drinking for almost 2 years, started again few weeks before my son was born for some reason

04:55:00 joecool: cazalla: i'm guessing you are not the mother

04:55:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4000 @ 0.00010817 = 0.4327 BTC [+] {6}

04:55:34 cazalla: I must be really drunk if i am

04:55:48 joecool: lol

04:57:25 cads: :D

04:59:14 cads: cazalla: like.. how much booze?

04:59:48 cads: I have a friend that is so boozy he's constantly at risk of being homeless and I have to ask him is it worth it :P

04:59:59 cads: and he says "hell no it's not"

05:00:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11766 @ 0.00094838 = 11.1586 BTC [+] {2}

05:00:15 cads: and keeps right on drinking it's ... heartbreaking

05:00:16 cazalla: Ah, it's not a problem, I just see the habit forming again that's all

05:00:36 cazalla: and that's when the problems can occur

05:00:42 cads: hey I guess that's not a bad place to be looking out from

05:00:48 cazalla: MP actually said something interesting in the logs about this to you or something else

05:01:40 cazalla: I'll butcher it when I paraphrase but along the lines of it's not that the world sucks but you're looking at everything through the lense of a sore and tired drunk

05:02:40 cads: I wouldn't wanna drunk holding my kid, even if that drunk was me :P

05:02:53 cads: I dunno, regrets, man, don't discount them

05:03:00 cads: but you'll do the right thing

05:03:05 cazalla: I don't do that, I just hop into bed and let the wife deal with the crying in the evening

05:03:43 cads: hah, lucky guy

05:03:48 cads: how long married?

05:04:02 cazalla: Well, technically not married

05:04:20 cazalla: together almost 6 years though so with a kid, we're pretty much married

05:04:57 cazalla: We discussed it before but she doesn't want to change her surname so I told her I'm not asking then

05:05:34 joecool: must have a crappy surname

05:05:59 cazalla: Which sounds like alarm bells to me if anyone else said it but it's all good

05:06:04 cads: lol

05:06:35 joecool: "yeah sry i don't want to be mrs. cockgobbler, i hope you understand"

05:06:36 random_cat: is betsofbitco.in down?

05:06:37 cazalla: joecool: she's just brainwashed by women's rights, funny how a lot of that went away once she fell pregnant

05:06:40 cads: "lets renegotiate this deal once you're willing to accept the name change package"

05:07:32 cazalla: cads: it could be worse, her bff got married and her husband changed his surname, i have no respect for the man

05:07:32 joecool: cazalla: first year or so my gf thought she'd want to keep her last name, decided she doesn't care now

05:08:06 cads: cazalla: that's strange

05:08:32 joecool: in fact she wants to change her first name's spelling as a package deal after she gets married

05:08:37 joecool: works for me

05:08:44 cads: I wouldn't ever want to inflict my last name upon a girl

05:08:52 cazalla: cads: she's vegan, leftist, check your privilege type, i hate the woman and her mouse of a husband just follows what she says

05:09:24 cads: lol, I like those girls but I fight with them a lot

05:09:37 cads: also math is weak

05:09:37 cazalla: joecool: i don't even care so much now that my son has my surname, that was really the only reason why i would've pushed for her to take my surname to begin with

05:09:54 cazalla: cads: she has great tits though

05:10:27 joecool: oh vegan would be dealbreaker i think, that or tobacco smoker

05:10:38 cads: I do vegan only if she cooks

05:10:40 cads: well

05:10:49 cads: and doesn't care if I eat meat

05:10:56 cads: and does sushi

05:11:01 cazalla: my wife can't cook or clean :\

05:11:07 cads: she must make a total shameless exception for sushi

05:11:23 joecool: though tbh i am polar opposite to gf, i can't eat wheat and she cooks bread all the time, i just eat a lot of breakfast food all the time

05:11:24 cads: god I would hate to clean better than my wife

05:11:50 cazalla: it's not so much that she can't clean by my mother was OCD about cleaning so my wife will never be up to par

05:11:57 cazalla: but*

05:12:41 cazalla: so i cook and clean but she's also breastfeeding so i don't mind so much, that's a job on it's own

05:13:26 joecool: messes don't cry

05:13:31 cazalla: it is interesting to watch all the leftish bullshit go out the window since she fell pregnant and bubs was born

05:14:38 joecool: prob stopped burning the bras now that she needs the support, etc

05:14:57 cazalla: she wanted him to have my surname, doesn't give 2 shits about the career she left behind and wants to remain a mum, thinks bubs does best with mum + dad around instead of single parent families being no different

05:16:17 cads: lol, feminists argue single parent families are just as good from statistical standpoint?

05:16:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.06111111 = 2.4444 BTC [-]

05:16:27 cads: or just an idealogical one :)

05:16:39 cazalla: some will argue there is no difference between mum + dad versus single parent or gays

05:16:48 cazalla: "all they need is love"

05:17:02 cazalla: backflippd on abortion too, as did i

05:17:36 cazalla: at least for non medical reasons anyway

05:18:10 cads: dang, hormones, the ultimate argument

05:18:12 cazalla: just a shame we don't have guns to hold down the fort here in australia

05:18:47 joecool: i find it lulzy to see vegan pro-abortionists, i guess my logic is strutured a bit differently

05:18:57 joecool: *structured

05:19:24 cazalla: that's not so much my wife, more so her friend who would bring that stupid stuff up and my wife being submissive would just nod and parrot it

05:20:18 cazalla: i don't know how her husband explained to his parents he was changing his surname to hers

05:20:54 cads: I mean I'm sure societies where that happens predominantly are juuuust fine

05:21:03 cads: it just seems like a bitch move

05:21:54 cazalla: not that i'm the pack leader but he is a bitch, skinny little thing, follows her around, he goes with her to visit her friends

05:22:18 cazalla: they come around here and i just stay in the computer room while the 3 of them chat

05:22:31 nubbins`: ^ ahahahahaha

05:22:37 nubbins`: COUPLES NIGHT

05:22:38 cads: lol


05:24:52 Mats_cd03: lol

05:25:11 cazalla: heh it's not that i hate em but they talk about things that don't interest me

05:25:27 cazalla: and i think he would need permission from his wife to take an interest in what i do in here

05:31:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19169 @ 0.00094866 = 18.1849 BTC [+] {2}

05:43:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 26 @ 0.5984892 = 15.5607 BTC [+] {10}

05:46:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1575 @ 0.00095027 = 1.4967 BTC [+]

05:53:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8540 @ 0.00095027 = 8.1153 BTC [+]

06:08:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.06111111 = 1.5278 BTC [-]

06:12:24 BingoBoingo: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67547.msg6037404#msg6037404

06:12:25 ozbot: Starting a new FPGA mining farm/contract Cognitive Resurrected on[Havelock]

06:16:07 BingoBoingo: Apparently Havelock is reopening Cog for trading

06:17:49 Duffer1: remind me to read tomorrows log, I fear I may sleep through the great selloff

06:22:54 Duffer1: Goat mad

06:29:12 wywialm: hey, could anyone explain to me what does ATC stand for?

06:32:04 Duffer1: Altcoin

06:32:54 Duffer1: I'm not sure if that project's been abandoned yet though

06:36:39 BingoBoingo: Still going strong

06:36:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60499998 BTC [+]

06:36:49 wywialm: altcoins in general or a specific project (unknown to me) with this name?

06:37:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.60498999 = 1.21 BTC [-] {2}

06:38:09 BingoBoingo: The specific project known as Altcoi

06:38:11 BingoBoingo: n

06:39:12 wywialm: BingoBoingo: could you point to some details, please?

06:39:31 BingoBoingo: https://x-bt.com/markets/atcbtc

06:39:32 ozbot: X-BT - The new marketplace for trading Bitcoin with Litecoin, Namecoin and Altcoin

06:39:46 BingoBoingo: It's being mined and traded... That's really all there is to it.

06:40:09 wywialm: thanks

06:40:51 BingoBoingo: Some people are contemplating gambling sites.

06:42:23 wywialm: in what ways ATC differs from, um, altcoins?

06:44:39 BingoBoingo: Well, it is totally like meta. Sure there's a lot of altcoins, but then there's Altcoin.

06:44:50 BingoBoingo: Doge is a meme, it will fade.

06:45:17 BingoBoingo: People have argued about the meaning of "is" since Plato and Aristotle. The meta angle has staying power.

06:46:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13286 @ 0.00094866 = 12.6039 BTC [-]

06:47:05 wywialm: so the power in the name? and what about mechanics?

06:47:56 cazalla: since when does that matter for altcoins?

06:48:08 wywialm: oh, finally, my google-fu allowed me to find something about it

06:49:16 BingoBoingo: Well, it is an SHA-256 coin

06:50:01 punkman: https://www.crowdsupply.com/kosagi/novena-open-laptop

06:50:02 ozbot: Novena | Crowd Supply

06:55:35 BingoBoingo: Junkyard Wars laptop returns

06:58:42 cads: punkman: I don't remember if I answered your earlier question - thanks for the links

07:00:09 punkman: cads, I might set that up to generate the kind of leads you are looking for in a few months

07:01:51 cads: like your choice of dokuwiki, I've used that for a couple projects

07:02:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 16 @ 0.045 = 0.72 BTC [+]

07:04:11 cads: punkman: have you played around with parts produced by a DLP machine?

07:05:09 punkman: cads, there's an expensive one at the local uni, but material is expensive and they don't let people use it often

07:05:10 cads: I understand that the machines print with really great layer times - something like 10 seconds a layer. They print vertical resolution of 0.2, which is par with what I print

07:05:34 cads: yeah I imagine the big bottleneck with those machines is material cost

07:06:18 punkman: they also have a couple Stratasys printers with ABS filament, which seem to produce worse quality than a well-calibrated reprap

07:06:38 punkman: $300/kg ABS filament for those

07:06:51 cads: you're kidding

07:06:54 cads: wow

07:08:40 cads: our client has a stratasys in a europe office but it's tied up most of the time so what the america based vp of development was doing was to fly to the europe office. He'd get a call from some engineers that would ask him if he could arrange to be in europe on this date two weeks from now.

07:09:06 cads: our parts were sturdier and overall similar quality

07:09:25 cads: I didn't know we were also getting our material 6 times cheaper

07:09:40 punkman: ABS pellets are like $100 for 1000kg

07:10:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13485 @ 0.00095294 = 12.8504 BTC [+] {2}

07:10:27 cads: I'd like a printer that uses direct pellets

07:10:33 cads: probably a bad idea

07:11:27 punkman: easier to set up a filament extruder, I think one of the DIY ones does acceptable quality by now

07:12:29 cads: I'd like to see a printer where the extruder is actually an array of pores fed off of a high pressure hydraulic manifold, using some kind of high reliability high temperature electromechanical actuators

07:12:47 cads: so I can extrude wide ribbons

07:13:36 punkman: that's mad scientist stuff

07:13:44 punkman: :P

07:14:29 cads: not even the objet does it that way

07:15:05 random_cat: watson, come here. i want to see you

07:15:14 cads: I think it would be too easy to cook that kind of a system

07:16:49 cads: actually, hey, make the extruder plate something like a actual thick plate that is bolted onto the end of a thick pressurized column of plastic

07:17:11 cads: rather, bolted onto a pipe carrying such a column

07:18:32 cads: then if the plate clogs (too much), you stop the machine, cool off the plastic, unbolt the endplate retainer, snap the end plate off, then have a look at what's happening with your plastic

07:18:58 cads: if the plastic isn't cooked you just bolt on another orifice plate and fire it back up

07:19:05 punkman: Polyjet tech does that array of "pores" thing, but you can't control viscous material like ABS in it

07:19:19 punkman: so it uses resin and cures it quickly

07:19:35 cads: yeah that's the big problem

07:20:18 cads: it's hard to leverage that much ABS, and you certainly can't do it in that rapid side to side motion enjoyed by the objet tech

07:20:55 cads: I think the extruder head (or build plate) may need to rotate in the w axis

07:21:02 MisterE: ;;ticker --market btce

07:21:03 gribble: BTC-E BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 410.02, Best ask: 410.052, Bid-ask spread: 0.03200, Last trade: 410.054, 24 hour volume: 36303.61902, 24 hour low: 410.052, 24 hour high: 498.70001, 24 hour vwap: 454.376005

07:21:55 cads: punkman: this "wide array" extruder configuration would be ideal, if nothing else, for filling in swathes of infill

07:24:28 cads: as each pore passes into a perimeter boundary it initiates an extrusion event, and as the pore leaves a permeter boundary it ends the extrusion event (and wipes clean on the permeter edge)

07:25:44 cads: I know that even with current extruders the initial and terminal ends of the extrusion may fail to bond properly with the extruders

07:26:00 punkman: yeah that's not really gonna work

07:26:40 cads: but I feel like lags and hysteresis in the extruder have a role to play there too

07:27:21 punkman: I like this concept a lot, http://www.mcortechnologies.com/3d-printers/iris/

07:27:24 cads: I just want to pack more plastic per second in the part, lol

07:27:59 punkman: you could make a 1mm extruder, then work on getting it to go fast

07:28:45 punkman: not great for detail of course

07:29:48 cads: I wonder if that would be okay for support too

07:32:38 cads: 1mm increases rate of plastic flow by 4?

07:32:48 cads: (compared to 0.5)

07:33:56 cads: I dunno if the rate of goopy flow through a pipe at a given pressure grows like the square of the pipe diameter or no

07:34:04 punkman: I'd say factor of 2, if layer height is the same

07:34:17 cads: anyways, time to hit the hay because I'm no longer coherent

07:34:36 punkman: yeah I'm gonna do some work too

07:34:37 cads: hmm, later height should be 0.8 mm

07:35:07 cads: you save four 0.2 mm layer in one fell goop

07:35:18 punkman: I think this is enough 3d printing talk for #b-a for the next few months

07:37:06 jurov: wha, still going? :)

07:38:22 cads: lol, gnite all

07:42:30 bounce: pity that novena thing has like nothing on available keyboards except "bring your own"

07:42:59 punkman: bounce, thinkpad keyboards are easy to get

07:43:59 punkman: that's a really weird design for the $2k option though

07:44:11 bounce: hope so. I'd like a keyboard without touchpad and with trackpoint. even so you get the usual crappy layout with too many and too small keys

07:51:51 Diablo-D3: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/01/us-bitcoin-mtgox-karpeles-idUSBREA3021920140401

07:51:51 ozbot: Judge orders Mt Gox CEO to U.S. for questions on failed bitcoin exchange

07:56:00 antephialtic: asciilifeform: do you worry that trezor's message signing capabilities might reduce demand for the cardano?

08:03:42 BingoBoingo: I can't answer for him, but the use cases seem completely different

08:11:37 antephialtic: trezor can sign arbitrary messages, not just bitcoin transactions

08:12:00 antephialtic: if they become popular, I could see people using signing addresses a lot more

08:13:15 antephialtic: nice thing about ecdsa sigs is you can extract the pubkey from the signature, hash it, then check that it matches the signing address

08:13:48 BingoBoingo: Well, the other problem though is that it is still ecdsa sigs

08:14:05 antephialtic: right now its a lot clunkier than using normal GPG signatures, but if the trezor becomes widespread, I could see people improving the tooling

08:14:21 antephialtic: what's wrong with ecdsa sigs? backdoored by NSA?

08:14:58 antephialtic: if thats true, we are already screwed :) government can just take all our bitcoins

08:15:20 antephialtic: (if you reuse addresses, that is)

08:15:23 Apocalyptic: ^

08:15:30 Apocalyptic: that's an important point

08:16:26 BingoBoingo: Address reuse is theoretically problematic, with a poor RNG it is completely fucked as the android wallet apps demonstrated

08:17:51 antephialtic: I mean if we think the NSA is some all knowing crypto monster, what's to say they can't break SHA-256? They are the ones that invented it, after all

08:18:57 truffles: if everything has a backdoor any1 would seem allknowing :D

08:20:08 BingoBoingo: Well the problem with ECDSA is each signature from a public/private keypair needs a quality random number or the private key is reasonably soluable. People last year who used Android bitcoin wallets lost bitcoin over this known problem.

08:22:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33350 @ 0.00095749 = 31.9323 BTC [+]

08:23:12 davout: !t m x.eur

08:23:13 assbot: [MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.0025 / 0.0025 / 0.0025 (432 shares, 1.08 BTC), 30D: 0.0019005 / 0.00214608 / 0.0025 (3831 shares, 8.22 BTC)

08:23:35 davout: how do i get the bid/ask?

08:26:14 punkman: $depth x.eur

08:26:15 mpexbot: punkman: X.EUR Bids: ['300 @ 0.00326888', '2400 @ 0.0019005', '200 @ 0.00170512', '500 @ 0.00169213', '4200 @ 0.0016245']

08:26:16 mpexbot: punkman: Asks: ['300 @ 0.00330916']

08:37:45 Apocalyptic: .d

08:37:45 ozbot: 5.007 billion | Next Diff in 406 blocks | Estimated Change: 19.2859% in 2d 6h 22m 28s

08:43:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22557 @ 0.00095986 = 21.6516 BTC [+] {2}

08:52:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00010998 = 0.5499 BTC [+] {6}

09:07:41 jurov: ;;bc,stats

09:07:53 gribble: Current Blocks: 293932 | Current Difficulty: 5.0068605892054E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 294335 | Next Difficulty In: 403 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 19 hours, 22 minutes, and 19 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 5969305913.59 | Estimated Percent Change: 19.22253

09:08:51 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

09:08:58 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 421.7, vol: 40094.23126396 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 416.0, vol: 38276.78147 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 420.9, vol: 37184.58693744 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 421.75, vol: 222.56336298 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 406.19656, vol: 12405.72170000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 432.76815, vol: 7.40834272 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 414.494273766, vol: 201.60036486 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)

09:11:07 jurov: ;;more

09:11:08 gribble: Error: You haven't asked me a command; perhaps you want to see someone else's more. To do so, call this command with that person's nick.

09:14:49 BingoBoingo: ;;more

09:14:49 gribble: average: 418.260430828

09:31:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0564 = 0.1128 BTC [+]

09:56:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00096 = 16.512 BTC [+]

09:57:14 punkman: "years ago when I visited the City Police anti-money laundering division in the City of London who told me with absolutely straight faces that despite London being the centre of international banking, not a single penny of laundered or drug money entered the City banks."

09:57:27 punkman: "I kid you not that is what they said to me. I asked them if they thought I was on day release from a special needs school. They did not laugh."

10:08:28 *: moiety catches up

10:08:43 moiety: i missed the 3d printing talk D:

10:12:12 moiety: 3D printed manuls punkman ... just a thought

10:38:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15929 @ 0.00096 = 15.2918 BTC [+]

10:48:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00095956 = 9.3077 BTC [-]

10:58:23 BingoBoingo: Imma bout to get hit with a squall line in about 5-15 minutes. If I'm offline a while it is because assholes decide above ground power and internet are great in a area with trees and frequent wind storms

10:59:06 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

10:59:13 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 436.99, vol: 42410.76774656 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 430.01, vol: 38953.32076 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 434.0, vol: 37808.69864611 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 449.0, vol: 203.86828796 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 416.99161, vol: 13052.92940000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 439.36061, vol: 8.94932542 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 437.0705, vol: 168.0749815 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)

10:59:19 BingoBoingo: ;;more

10:59:19 gribble: 432.137326659

11:01:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60799997 BTC [+]

11:03:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6163 @ 0.00095729 = 5.8998 BTC [-]

11:11:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22281 @ 0.00095983 = 21.386 BTC [+]

11:12:41 khersonus: ;;tslb

11:12:43 gribble: Time since last block: 51 minutes and 31 seconds

11:19:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2473 @ 0.00095983 = 2.3737 BTC [+]

11:26:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32200 @ 0.00095996 = 30.9107 BTC [+] {2}

11:30:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 15 @ 0.0574 = 0.861 BTC [+] {3}

11:30:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.04523999 = 0.4524 BTC [-]

11:31:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.05789994 = 0.2895 BTC [+] {3}

11:31:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.04515249 = 0.1806 BTC [-] {2}

11:33:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0579 = 0.2316 BTC [+]

11:34:38 bounce: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/bitcoin-cryptocurrency-exchange-platform-solution-093200699.html

11:34:42 ozbot: Bitcoin And Cryptocurrency Exchange Platform Solution For Operators Launched by PFSOFT - Yahoo Finan

11:35:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1500 @ 0.00096 = 1.44 BTC [+]

11:41:22 mircea_popescu: they want money for it ?

11:44:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 30 @ 0.10144642 = 3.0434 BTC [-]

11:45:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9950 @ 0.000953 = 9.4824 BTC [-]

11:46:12 bounce: it doesn't say they're giving it away. looks like yahoo was a bit late in picking up this press release.

11:49:42 BingoBoingo: This was a thoroughly underwhelming storm for these awfully inconsiderate sirens to roused me from bed so.

11:49:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04410003 = 0.1323 BTC [+] {2}

11:49:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.000953 = 3.9073 BTC [-]

12:03:11 mircea_popescu: lol you got weather sirens ?

12:04:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7 @ 0.10144642 = 0.7101 BTC [-]

12:06:25 VanCleef: hey mp

12:06:42 VanCleef: any new companies being ipo'd on mpex this year?

12:09:37 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/obama-clinton-or-the-end-of-the-republic/

12:09:38 ozbot: Obama-Clinton, or the end of the republic. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

12:09:56 mircea_popescu: VanCleef none so far.

12:12:18 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yeah, goes with the area's propensity for tornadoes

12:19:01 mircea_popescu: oh that far up north ? didn't know.

12:20:56 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

12:20:57 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 436.18, Best ask: 437.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.82000, Last trade: 437.0, 24 hour volume: 42403.99452722, 24 hour low: 416.11, 24 hour high: 490.56, 24 hour vwap: 444.403658178

12:21:40 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, I'm much closer to st louis than chicago. Right about the same latitude as this airport http://www.kmov.com/news/local/Storms-cause-damage-at-Lambert-Airport-minor-injuries-reported-120523519.html

12:22:43 BingoBoingo: http://www.kmov.com/news/local/Severe-weather-warnings-issued-for-St-Louis-area-253710611.html

12:22:43 ozbot: Storms prompt tornado warnings, cause damage in St. Louis area |

12:23:08 BingoBoingo: This morning's thing that couldn't quite keep it together long enough to make it here intact

12:23:34 chetty: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-02/venezuelas-maduro-explains-why-its-rich-are-revolting-and-us-responsible

12:23:35 ozbot: In A NYT Op-Ed, Venezuela's Maduro Explains Why It's The Rich That Are Revolting | Zero Hedge

12:24:29 BingoBoingo: The rich, the air, who is revolting next today?

12:24:45 VanCleef: gay mafia?

12:25:29 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo oh i c

12:25:47 mircea_popescu: well it's zeroclue, so.

12:26:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.04391818 = 0.4831 BTC [-] {2}

12:26:42 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Eight years ago yesterday a classmate at the time got to see their roof flipped off of their apartment and discarded on the golf course.

12:26:58 mircea_popescu: anyway, nice bit, it signals the switch of the us from reagan-esque "promoter of democracy" in the world to obama-esque "promoter of democracy" in the world.

12:27:16 mircea_popescu: the difference between the two democracies aptly described by the differences between the two berlins, on either side of the wall.

12:27:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0584 = 0.292 BTC [+]

12:27:39 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo and didn't even have to buy the lsd...

12:28:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.05889989 = 0.1767 BTC [+]

12:28:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0439 = 0.1317 BTC [-]

12:29:04 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Nah, springtime here and LSD would be too much.

12:29:31 BingoBoingo: Here's a particularly interesting storm from when I was in Carbondale for Grad school http://www.spc.noaa.gov/misc/AbtDerechos/casepages/may82009page.htm

12:30:42 BingoBoingo: "The city of Carbondale was nearly impassable because of fallen trees and debris, and 34 properties were deemed total losses. The campus of Southern Illinois University suffered extensive damage, with nearly 100 windows blown out of residence halls. An unofficial gust to 106 mph was recorded on the roof of the Carbondale airport."

12:32:17 jadne: rawr

12:32:42 BingoBoingo: The weather service report neglects to mention how many properties were total losses before the storm.

12:32:47 mircea_popescu: lmao

12:33:08 mircea_popescu: ajaja that venezuelan piece is quite the thing.

12:33:18 mircea_popescu: "we have the lowest inequality in the region [everyone is poor now]"

12:34:07 mircea_popescu: "Democracy (in the terminology and reality of socialists) seems to be the path of long lines of people waiting, clutching a government issued piece of paper, entitling them to a ration of food, water, health care, gasoline...and of course...toilet paper, not confiscated already for government officials delicate bottoms."

12:34:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00095298 = 14.1041 BTC [-] {2}

12:35:45 BingoBoingo: Why forums can't work: "Since 1998, the movement founded by Hugo Ch?vez has won more than a dozen presidential, parliamentary and local elections through an electoral process that former American President Jimmy Carter has called ?the best in the world.? Recently, the United Socialist Party received an overwhelming mandate in mayoral elections in December 2013, winning 255 out of 337 municipalities."

12:35:54 BingoBoingo: Plato was right!

12:39:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 700 @ 0.00095544 = 0.6688 BTC [+]

12:41:14 BingoBoingo: More BitcoinBourse: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/your-company-shares-on-bitcoin-bourse.293679/

12:42:59 mircea_popescu: so glbse group 3 is well represented ?

12:43:49 BingoBoingo: Well, CryptoStocks 2.0

12:44:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.10144642 = 1.0145 BTC [-]

12:45:09 BingoBoingo: I dunno that they even seem to put in the effort in developing chumptronics to fall into the GLBSE/BTC-TC/Buttfunder camp

12:45:16 mircea_popescu: my own counting scheme is 1. glbse ; 2. btctc, bitfunder, havelock ; 3. bitcoinbourse etc

12:45:25 BingoBoingo: Ah

12:45:30 mircea_popescu: o right, cause the kumala thing existed all along huh ?

12:45:34 mircea_popescu: no, you have a point.

12:45:40 ThickAsThieves: mp down with the hags! my only real experience with hags is on nonprofit boards as clients

12:45:45 ThickAsThieves: such wretches

12:45:54 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves innit ?

12:46:02 BingoBoingo: Yeah, Cryptostocks is old, but I guess Crytostocks was the first 3rd gen chumpotron of this sort

12:46:18 mircea_popescu: i'm personally only quoting the italians, as all old women i know are actually pretty great

12:46:35 ThickAsThieves: well not all old women aare hags

12:46:46 BingoBoingo: The third gen advance is being so overtly scammy and obtuse to any outside diligence the things might continue indefinitely

12:46:48 ThickAsThieves: but many on nonprofit boards are, in my experience at least

12:46:59 mircea_popescu: anyway, medieval/renaissance italian literature hates the cateogry like no other.

12:47:10 mircea_popescu: by comparison, niggers were popular in the southern us pre and post civil war.

12:47:37 ThickAsThieves: i think an environment does temper a hag

12:47:47 ThickAsThieves: they are definitely bitter about something

12:47:51 ThickAsThieves: probly long forgotten

12:47:53 BingoBoingo: Well that popularity has largely been supplanted by tractors and pickup trucks

12:48:13 mircea_popescu: wait people now hate tractors ?

12:48:23 ThickAsThieves: maybe they are alpha males trapped in a woman's body

12:48:38 ThickAsThieves: and systemically dismantled over the years

12:48:47 mircea_popescu: maybe that's the punishment for being an asshole.

12:48:53 mircea_popescu: you're reborn as a woman and get to live forever.

12:48:58 ThickAsThieves: hehe

12:49:05 ThickAsThieves: life is heaven, life is hell

12:49:06 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well tractors are now popular in the way coloreds used to be popular. They are useful implements, but a pain to maintain.

12:49:28 mircea_popescu: they were kinda my favourite toys as a little boy...

12:50:04 ThickAsThieves: humoursly enough, my favorites were lambos

12:50:08 ThickAsThieves: yellow ones

12:50:12 mircea_popescu: ha!

12:50:37 mircea_popescu: omfg i just had the evilest thought. suppose you have a bad dog like this one : http://i.imgur.com/5C8zhB5.jpg

12:50:43 BingoBoingo: Maybe Goat's next lambo will be the original model

12:50:48 mircea_popescu: suppose you add large-ish suction cups as part of the bottoms of the casts

12:50:51 mircea_popescu: so he can now... climb walls

12:51:14 ThickAsThieves: get off the dope!

12:51:16 BingoBoingo: Where is moiety for this dog talk

12:51:22 mircea_popescu: dude it's good stuff.

12:51:39 mircea_popescu: dogbombardment

12:52:01 BingoBoingo: Might be a decent source of entropy

12:52:19 mircea_popescu: fill all the lights with bacon...

12:53:17 moiety: someone say dog?

12:53:30 BingoBoingo: Or cheese. Cheese makes dogs gassy for greater lulz

12:53:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.043675 = 0.3494 BTC [-] {2}

12:53:59 moiety: mircea_popescu: how is that an evil thought??? spider-dog FTW!

12:54:09 moiety: imagine the sounds it would make tooo

12:54:30 moiety: was goat's lambo actually real btw or a trollstory

12:55:01 mircea_popescu: just like all the rest of goat's stuff. if you're the sort of person that believes things some guy claims, it was real.

12:55:13 moiety: didn't think so

12:55:28 mircea_popescu: if not, you can join the line. it started back in 2012, when he was going to prove he had a mining farm.

12:55:35 mircea_popescu: anyminute now.

12:56:07 BingoBoingo: His forum is... interesting

12:56:12 *: moiety rolls eyes

12:56:24 moiety: i thought .. hmm right then at the 21 y/o thai wife

12:56:30 moiety: ok so ... who has a dog we can attach suction cups to?

12:56:42 moiety: spider-cats? i have two

12:57:15 mircea_popescu: if anyone is old enough to remember the picostocks / 100blabla scam ? the one that briefly took on buzzdave after his basicminer scamstint, before the girl drove him out ?

12:57:29 BingoBoingo: I remember it a bit.

12:57:31 mircea_popescu: that one was pretty much the same thing, guy claiming he's rich and he has bought X miners, then that thing went scam

12:57:45 mircea_popescu: but the rich guy somehow hadn't lost anything, and immediately bought just as much of Y thing.

12:58:12 mircea_popescu: this is the typical way imagined fortunes work, and it belies their virtuality. the guy wasn't actually invested, but merely pretended to be invested.

12:58:13 BingoBoingo: Dave's still something http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/03/meet-the-manic-miner-who-wants-to-mint-10-of-all-new-bitcoins/

12:58:34 mircea_popescu: the actuality of the failure of the purported investment does nothing to alleviate the causes of the pretense, and so the pretense is simply rehashed.

12:58:43 mircea_popescu: re-making the claim costs about as much as it cost originally.

12:59:09 mircea_popescu: same with goat. he was in here explaining how great future silver has,

12:59:24 mircea_popescu: then silver went to shit, but that's ok, cause he was really invested in... whatever went up.

12:59:26 mircea_popescu: retroactively.

13:01:08 BingoBoingo: Who the fuck though wears a down jacket in a datacenter?

13:01:14 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo for completitude's sake, the blatant set really should be cryptostocks / picostocks / bitcoinbourse

13:01:27 ThickAsThieves: mp, do you think you'll ever invest in mining infrastructure? do you think governments will? what if china controls all our coinz?

13:01:28 mircea_popescu: and we have the equivalent "exchanges", icbit, bitfinex etc

13:01:53 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i said government had, a couple months after they had started, a few months ago.

13:02:05 mircea_popescu: i personally possibly not. it's just not one of my strenghts.

13:02:12 mircea_popescu: i don't own power plants either ;/

13:02:34 ThickAsThieves: which governments mine?

13:02:42 BingoBoingo: picostocks is prolly more a 2.5 gen chumpotron

13:02:47 ThickAsThieves: i feel like if the US is gonna tax it, they should support it

13:03:25 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo they never were anything but blatant about it, weren't they ?

13:03:30 chetty: National Foundation for the bitcoin

13:03:43 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves that type of concern is vastly alleviated by the btc cap. we've already mined more than half the total.

13:03:55 mircea_popescu: nobody will control all the coins, too late for that.

13:04:18 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: They were blatant, but the weren't quite as refined in their Haxxed, coins are gone as Cryptostocks/Vircurex was where some separation was imagined

13:04:36 mircea_popescu: (this incidentally is one major point proponents of alternative coins don't realise. one of the most important permanence factors in a coin is just how well distributed the coinbase is. this is not something later coins will readilyt achieve, bitcoin achieved by accident

13:04:37 ThickAsThieves: i understand that much, but the mining ecosystem is its own thing

13:05:05 mircea_popescu: or not really accident, more like the interplay of will and understanding, as limited by reality - i demonstrated this once in here using asciilifeform as my victim)

13:05:20 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves sure, but not nearly as threatening

13:05:29 ThickAsThieves: for example, it's not absurd to think cex.io has more than 51% right now

13:05:38 mircea_popescu: why ?

13:05:40 ThickAsThieves: and is hiding the "excess"

13:05:45 mircea_popescu: cex is a minor player.

13:05:54 mircea_popescu: you may not know this, but there's a major miner bezzle market going

13:05:55 BingoBoingo: It's also not absurd to imagine cex.io doesn't have any hardware

13:06:07 ThickAsThieves: sorry by cex i mean ghash.io pool + the remainder

13:06:07 mircea_popescu: where people pay a slight premium to be allowed to pretend they mine by the actual miners.

13:06:19 mircea_popescu: this works to everyone's benefit : the actual miners get to conceal their mining, which they want to do

13:06:27 ThickAsThieves: i mean the remotely measurable stuff

13:06:30 mircea_popescu: the pretenders get to pretend like they matter, which ios really all they're interested in

13:06:30 ThickAsThieves: not reported bs

13:06:35 mircea_popescu: nothing is remotely measurable.

13:06:39 mircea_popescu: in mining.

13:06:53 ThickAsThieves: so the pool reports are a lie?

13:07:13 mircea_popescu: the connection between mining and identity is aribtrary. purely.

13:07:43 mircea_popescu: if i own 1petahash worth of mining gear, and we have a deal that you claim to own 1petahash worth of mining, we can work it so no third party can ever discover this.

13:08:04 ThickAsThieves: i agree

13:08:12 ThickAsThieves: but that goes to my point as much as yours

13:08:15 mircea_popescu: i want this, because a mine is a physical thing, it needs proxying.

13:08:18 mircea_popescu: you want this because you're a goat

13:08:22 mircea_popescu: best of all worlds.

13:08:35 mircea_popescu: no, it's more subtle than that ThickAsThieves

13:08:50 mircea_popescu: remember how i told tg2 to stfu yest, because it's not HIS job to tell the exchanges how to exchange ? it's not.

13:09:02 mircea_popescu: in exactly the same way, it's not your job to "verify" that the miners don't 51%

13:09:04 ThickAsThieves: i have him ignored

13:09:07 BingoBoingo: !t h cog

13:09:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK:COG] 1D: / 0 / (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / 0 / (0 shares, 0 BTC), 30D: 0.00200000 / 0.02949251 / 0.05480000 (895 shares, 26.39580023 BTC)

13:09:09 mircea_popescu: its their own self interest that does.

13:09:15 mircea_popescu: not in any sense within your control.

13:09:18 ThickAsThieves: i dont want that job

13:09:24 mircea_popescu: well i use you generically.

13:09:41 ThickAsThieves: are you sayng that if mining power centralized to an unhealthy degree, so what?

13:10:01 mircea_popescu: i am saying that a) it cannot happen and b) this irrespective of what you know or don't know.

13:10:36 mircea_popescu: so in your terms "if you think it is or you think it isn't, so what ?"

13:11:04 ThickAsThieves: i mean i hear you, but this isnt quite about what i think or know, so much as what "is"

13:11:14 mircea_popescu: there is no i.

13:11:17 mircea_popescu: there is no is.*

13:11:38 ThickAsThieves: maybe tackle from another angle,

13:11:51 mircea_popescu: aite.

13:11:53 ThickAsThieves: would you say the more miners the better?

13:12:08 mircea_popescu: up to a threshold. then it doesn't really matter

13:12:20 ThickAsThieves: a dynamic threshold?

13:12:33 mircea_popescu: possibly, depending what context you working in

13:12:45 ThickAsThieves: suppose most miners are indeed in china

13:12:49 mircea_popescu: aite.

13:12:55 ThickAsThieves: and bitcoin is a huge thing

13:12:56 BingoBoingo: Interesting point: Discus Fish. Was a nothing six months ago. Now relayed to b.info 2 of the last six blocks first

13:13:02 ThickAsThieves: and US blows up china

13:13:07 mircea_popescu: ha-ha.

13:13:15 ThickAsThieves: i know i know

13:13:26 mircea_popescu: i can't discuss the impossible tho, because anything can be logically derived from nonsense.

13:13:32 ThickAsThieves: i'm basically trying to make a case for mining diversification

13:13:48 mircea_popescu: but you're misstating it. if most of the world is china, then most of the world is going to be china

13:13:52 mircea_popescu: why get drunk on air?

13:13:57 ThickAsThieves: and for institutions to support that mining

13:14:08 mircea_popescu: institutions have no business existing.

13:14:13 asciilifeform: antephialtic: re: trezor: open the widget and let it speak for itself.

13:14:19 mircea_popescu: the future is of individuals, who are going to be the institutions. like it or not.

13:14:27 ThickAsThieves: i dunno

13:14:38 mircea_popescu: well sure, but this "institution" bs is gone.

13:14:47 mircea_popescu: we're going back to caesar who is personally the emperor,

13:14:51 ThickAsThieves: i can buy it, except for that all history and all things in the universe say otherwise

13:15:00 mircea_popescu: running an empire of generals and senators who ARE, they themselves personally, the respective institutions.

13:15:03 ThickAsThieves: things contract into form, and explose into chaos over and over

13:15:11 mircea_popescu: the "country of laws not men" failed much like the giant leap forward failed.

13:15:29 BingoBoingo: http://tech.slashdot.org/story/14/04/03/1240258/russian-glonass-down-for-12-hours

13:15:29 ozbot: Russian GLONASS Down For 12 Hours - Slashdot

13:16:21 ThickAsThieves: are you saying the the age of the individual through tech can evade becoming to "centralized" and live between chaos and form?

13:16:29 ThickAsThieves: too*

13:16:36 BingoBoingo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Log/2014_March_24#Mircea_Popescu

13:16:43 BingoBoingo: Wiki hates

13:16:51 ozbot: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2014 March 24 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

13:16:54 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i suppose, depending on what exactly ou mean by that.

13:16:57 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: that loltron is still going?!

13:17:07 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Just closed.

13:17:09 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo o, they beleeted it ? awww.

13:17:22 asciilifeform: last i checked, i was proclaimed a spammer and given a shitburial

13:17:39 truffles: orly

13:17:45 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well because you were, what, you dare contest teh wisdom that is ?

13:17:48 truffles: biggest spammer above u dood

13:18:04 truffles: ^^^

13:19:49 BingoBoingo: Eh, give it a few years and then wikipedia will be subsumed by wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/archive/fail/wikipedia

13:20:14 mircea_popescu: i dunno about that. ideally we dun pour effort into dirt

13:20:36 BingoBoingo: I doubt effort will be needed

13:20:46 dirt_: dont effort into me

13:20:57 truffles: asciilifeform u have a blog right? link again plz

13:21:00 mircea_popescu: anyway, once public education becomes a thing of the past, we'll be back to having actual literacy and actual encyclopedists will write actual encyclopedias,

13:21:06 mircea_popescu: which will be actually worth reading

13:21:12 mircea_popescu: lolstate oops dirt_

13:21:18 mircea_popescu: :D

13:21:30 asciilifeform: truffles: small blog - http://www.loper-os.org

13:21:37 ThickAsThieves: what i mean is, by my own understanding so far, it seems all things centralize over time. in the context of human civilization this is seen quite obviously in, probably, all things observable

13:21:43 truffles: ya but its well written :)

13:21:53 mircea_popescu: things centralise as they die.

13:22:00 BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: COunterexample - Yugoslavia

13:22:03 ThickAsThieves: it's a cycle, yes

13:22:12 ThickAsThieves: and despite its elegance, i'm not sure bitcoin can avoid this

13:22:28 ThickAsThieves: of course, the timeline for any given thing centralizing and dying is uknown

13:22:32 mircea_popescu: my own view of that cycle is something like : a cool thing makes inroads. the people doing the cool thing eventually die, their successors aim to maintain that greatness

13:22:35 truffles: somehow i had forgotten to bookmark

13:22:36 BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Counterexample - Rawandan Hotelliers

13:22:43 mircea_popescu: so they resort to the fuel available : centralising

13:22:49 mircea_popescu: and then eventually that runs out too and that's that.

13:23:19 ThickAsThieves: i think there that danger must exist in bitcoin somewhere

13:23:26 asciilifeform: incidentally, i was proclaimed an unrepentant spammer, years ago, by no less a spam god than pg (http://www.loper-os.org/?p=91)

13:23:32 ThickAsThieves: if not mining, if not owning of majority coins, then somewhere else

13:23:34 ThickAsThieves: eventually

13:23:36 mircea_popescu: suppose you all get extradited to the us to stand trial as witnesses in civil proceedings against unrelated third parties, and are liek waterboarded for lyf. as the forum says will happen.

13:23:51 mircea_popescu: the idiots left to replace you will decide well... the only way to maintain the glory of -assets that was

13:23:51 truffles: asciilifeform why

13:23:51 chetty: well perhaps none of us will live long enough to see the next centralization

13:23:55 mircea_popescu: is to all pretend we're mp

13:24:06 mircea_popescu: so the channel spends a while as a dump of copy/pasted material

13:24:11 mircea_popescu: and slightly re-written webcopy

13:24:14 mircea_popescu: and then eventually dies.

13:24:17 mircea_popescu: that's the cycle.

13:24:17 ThickAsThieves: maybe the centralization is bitcoin itself

13:24:50 ThickAsThieves: load up on your ATCs!

13:25:12 asciilifeform: re: GLONASS: russia fucked the goat when it decided, in late '70s, to copy american CPUs so that warez can be used instead of investing in software dev.

13:25:20 asciilifeform: it remains to be seen whether it will recover from this mistake.

13:25:41 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dun think that was such a bad call myself.

13:25:42 asciilifeform: check out the latest 'Elbrus', for instance. x86, runs... xp.

13:25:45 truffles: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1276104/ so u havent seen this movie?

13:25:46 ozbot: Looper (2012) - IMDb

13:26:11 asciilifeform: ;;google siberian pipeline explosion

13:26:12 gribble: Siberian pipeline sabotage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberian_pipeline_sabotage; Urengoy–Pomary–Uzhgorod pipeline ( 1983 ) - Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urengoy%E2%80%93Pomary%E2%80%93Uzhgorod_pipeline; Update: Agent Farewell and the Siberian Pipeline Explosion ...: http://nsarchive.wordpress.com/2013/04/26/agent- (1 more message)

13:26:36 asciilifeform: did this teach anything? of course not.

13:26:38 ThickAsThieves: i'd like to see a blog that consistently tackled the topics that make people like us most uncomfortable

13:26:41 ThickAsThieves: mp: so make it

13:27:07 truffles: TAT i doubt that

13:27:16 BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: But different things make us uncomfortable unequally

13:27:18 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves the point of blogging is to explore exactly that.

13:27:26 asciilifeform: truffles: the cheap flick with the time machine mafia?

13:27:30 ThickAsThieves: bingo that's even better

13:27:38 truffles: pfff it was watchable!

13:27:40 asciilifeform: truffles: not sure how it relates

13:27:50 BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Just blag already

13:27:51 truffles: loper/looper

13:27:53 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if memory serves, the lessons learned were more about vetrov

13:28:07 ThickAsThieves: well, to be candid, and i love you guys, but right now our blog army is mostly preachers to the same choir

13:28:15 asciilifeform: truffles: 'lopers' were aliens from clifford simak's 'city'

13:28:18 mircea_popescu: so make it :D

13:28:34 mircea_popescu: the point was never to agree. the point was to disagree well.

13:28:34 truffles: is there a movie?

13:28:38 VanCleef: i have feelings for u too

13:28:53 truffles: omg rly mp u hate ppl who dont agree with u hypocrite

13:29:14 ThickAsThieves: thinking out loud, so sorry if this sucks, but i was also wondering whether having scheduled debate/topic events in channel would be cool

13:29:39 *: truffles loves debates

13:29:44 mircea_popescu: it'd certainly relieve me of the need to be always here whenever you schmucks manage to get an idea or something :D

13:29:57 ThickAsThieves: kinda invite outsiders to watch and see the channel flex

13:30:06 *: truffles laughs

13:30:13 mircea_popescu: nah see, that's just moving the choir mentality down the road.

13:30:16 mircea_popescu: fuck the outsiders.

13:30:28 mircea_popescu: they wanna participate they'd better find it.

13:30:34 ThickAsThieves: it's not like we'd "market" it

13:30:37 asciilifeform: truffles: it was a minor subplot. they find these critters on jupiter, living in the gas, and decide to study them. by building a machine which transforms people into them, so they can see what their life is like. and then, for years, no one returns to be converted back. eventually one fellow comes back. and tells how much more fun it is than being human. end result: mankind vanishes, converted to lopers.

13:30:41 ThickAsThieves: so much as post the schedule

13:30:43 ThickAsThieves: or such

13:30:50 mircea_popescu: http://24.media.tumblr.com/8af209a669c2530419926ed6f84527a6/tumblr_mk7vm9TzcU1rmcr76o1_1280.jpg

13:31:00 mircea_popescu: this, actually, i propose as quite an illustrative 10k words summary of -assets

13:31:07 truffles: ohh sounds cool

13:31:08 mircea_popescu: aren't the girls on the left just as hot as the one on the right ?

13:31:14 mircea_popescu: sure. and more numerous to boot.

13:31:21 truffles: link me (will put on my to do list)

13:31:23 mircea_popescu: however, they are perfectly useless, and will not matter.

13:31:31 mircea_popescu: she on the right matters. they on the left don't even exist.

13:31:53 truffles: mankind vanishing sounds kinda hmmm

13:32:02 antephialtic: mircea_popescu: w.r.t. to owning the hashpower, it is clear that the most effective way to launder the proceeds of some crime through bitcoin is to purchase mining hardware with the dirty cash

13:32:11 ThickAsThieves: The found and CEO of BitPay, Tony Gallippi, commented: “The launch of our new brand and logo aligns with our open-source culture."

13:32:14 antephialtic: in return for "clean coins"

13:32:16 mircea_popescu: antephialtic or purchase mining power.

13:32:27 VanCleef: tony seems really dodgy

13:32:44 ThickAsThieves: i've met him, he's hard to read

13:32:59 mircea_popescu: he's the only brain left in the bitcoin scamfoundation troop.

13:33:10 mircea_popescu: for as long as he can put up with the imbeciles, at any rate.

13:33:11 VanCleef: did he have a nice smell?

13:33:12 ThickAsThieves: he seems kind

13:33:17 antephialtic: VanCleef: BitPay is doing some good stuff. They are the only company that actually invests in the protocol itself

13:33:30 VanCleef: bitpay is the paypal of bitcoin reality

13:33:35 truffles: TAT why dont u start another channel with the debate stuff?

13:33:35 ThickAsThieves: with a hint of nervousness

13:33:44 ThickAsThieves: because

13:33:48 asciilifeform: why does the protocol need 'investment' ?

13:33:49 BingoBoingo: I dunno how I feel about Bitpay promoting some node.js BBQ stuff they's been pimping

13:33:49 ThickAsThieves: that's why

13:33:56 BingoBoingo: Seems Intersango like

13:34:17 mircea_popescu: antephialtic nah, not only and not even notable.

13:34:24 mircea_popescu: conformal is much more "only" and definitely more notable.

13:34:25 VanCleef: its just my humble opinion, i dont trust bitpay

13:34:27 antephialtic: Not the node.js stuff, that is a gimmick to get more shitty stack-overflow copy/pasting devs building crappy webapps

13:34:34 punkman: in an alternate universe, we have node.ps http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NeWS

13:34:36 antephialtic: BitPay pays Jeff Garzik's salary

13:34:44 antephialtic: for him to work on bitcoin-core fulltime

13:34:46 truffles: TAT i think it will achieve what u want better imo :)

13:34:50 VanCleef: yeh and Jeff Garzik is a snitch

13:34:55 VanCleef: i dont trust him either

13:34:58 BingoBoingo: antephialtic: You know TradeFortress was a hugbox node.js fan

13:35:01 ThickAsThieves: i'm just floating whims

13:35:03 mircea_popescu: so what of it ? conformal pays its devs the salary to work on bitcoin-core full time.

13:35:07 ThickAsThieves: not trying to start a revolution

13:35:15 mircea_popescu: let me underscore that the core devs of bitcoin are at conformal not at the scam foundation.

13:35:17 truffles: chat revolution?

13:35:18 antephialtic: name one miner mining off of btcd

13:35:25 mircea_popescu: why ?

13:35:37 truffles: twas ur "idea"

13:35:49 BingoBoingo: Actual miners are the least knowable thing in BTC

13:35:51 antephialtic: look at the commit log, they fix chain-splitting bugs constantly

13:36:05 mircea_popescu: yeah, when they're not hardforking the chain

13:36:12 truffles: i like how theyre like 3 topics ongoing heh

13:36:30 antephialtic: mircea_popescu: as a grotesque consequence of the sad state of the bitcoin-core codebase, bitcoin-core is unreplaceable

13:36:31 mircea_popescu: you really don't want to go into utility. so far the pretend-core devs are a liability overall.

13:36:42 mircea_popescu: that nonsense has no currency here.

13:36:46 ThickAsThieves: reddit doesnt seem to notice that every China-is-doomgloom post is by the same guy

13:36:50 BingoBoingo: truffles: There's always only been one topic here

13:36:59 mircea_popescu: i know, the circlejerk that is the pretend-core likes to convice themselves they're needed because they're stupid.

13:37:02 mircea_popescu: that's not how tech works.

13:37:06 mircea_popescu: not since 1800s at least.

13:37:19 truffles: boingo right now doubtful

13:37:30 antephialtic: mircea_popescu: I respect you. But I don't see you committing patches and fixing bugs. It's dirty work, but somebody has to do it.

13:37:47 mircea_popescu: dirty work does not become notable by virtue of being dirty.

13:37:54 mircea_popescu: ;;google "there's some lovely filth down here"

13:37:54 gribble: Oh! There is some lovely filth down here - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZD89CEO1Vk; Monty Python Holy Grail : Autonomous Collective - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8bqQ-C1PSE; Monty Python and the Holy Grail: http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/mphg/mphg.htm

13:37:58 antephialtic: yes, but it has utility.

13:38:01 VanCleef: its good that bitcoin is centralised to a few core devs

13:38:02 asciilifeform: antephialtic: what genuine bug has been patched since satoshi left ?

13:38:09 mircea_popescu: that's a case by case basis. in their case, it does not.

13:38:12 BingoBoingo: truffles: The topic is and has always been everything. It is unchanging

13:38:29 mircea_popescu: antephialtic in point of fact nobody sane uses their releases, most bitcoin is on .6 at the latest

13:38:31 antephialtic: asciilifeform: chain fork that happened

13:38:34 truffles: everything umk

13:38:42 mircea_popescu: in this sense, if they went home today, or if they went home in 2013, it'd have made no difference

13:38:46 mircea_popescu: this is the definition of not useful.

13:38:49 truffles: nice that everything is on 3 things though

13:39:05 mircea_popescu: <antephialtic> asciilifeform: chain fork that happened << it didn't "happen". mike hearn manufactured it.

13:39:09 mircea_popescu: the rest of them enabled it.

13:39:17 antephialtic: I disagree, P2SH is actually a big improvement in security by making multisig not a huge bitch to use

13:39:20 asciilifeform: i remember this. and thought that other people did, too.

13:39:38 mircea_popescu: antephialtic you're sliding the conversation all over the place.

13:40:02 antephialtic: well, my overall point (which you disagree with me on) is that the core devs provide value to all bitcoin users.

13:40:10 mircea_popescu: indeed, i fully disagree with that point.

13:40:13 BingoBoingo: I dunno that easy ECDSA multisig is a feature and not a "feature"

13:40:19 mircea_popescu: overall, they're a slight liability so far, and the trend is negative

13:40:29 mircea_popescu: they'll be a major liability this time next year, at the rate they're going.

13:40:39 asciilifeform: the core devs remind me of vagrants who pour water on cars at stoplights and then demand money for the 'wash.'

13:40:43 ThickAsThieves: i concur, i feel like they trailblazing in the dark toward a cliff

13:40:59 mircea_popescu: actually that's exactly it. vagrants with dirty rags at ny stop lights.

13:41:01 VanCleef: lol perfect description ascii

13:41:06 mircea_popescu: "they're useful", i nthe sense of mostly hungry.

13:41:21 ThickAsThieves: thats not to say that i think meaning isnt possible

13:41:25 ThickAsThieves: meaningful*

13:41:36 asciilifeform: 'i washed yer car, pony up' - 'i might throw you a penny, but you should've used water, not piss'

13:41:46 antephialtic: heh.

13:42:17 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "what the fuck are you doing here ?" "washing your wife, what does it look like!" "get out! " "hey, you owe me fifty bucks"

13:42:23 antephialtic: but I do agree with you that conformal giving them some competition is a boon. I hope btcd becomes a fully viable alternative

13:42:39 antephialtic: (to the point where protocol additions/modifications can be implemented there first)

13:42:48 mircea_popescu: antephialtic and i agree with you[r unstated point] that they're too young yet to have shown they suck,

13:42:58 mircea_popescu: so the future is still largely unknown.

13:43:47 ThickAsThieves: last night, driving home, i see these large flashy signs saying "NARCOTICS CHECKPOINT"

13:43:59 ThickAsThieves: then tons of cop lights for a half-mile

13:44:05 ThickAsThieves: with people pulled over

13:44:10 ThickAsThieves: i wasnt pulled over

13:44:16 ThickAsThieves: but i do wonder hoe the fuck this works

13:44:21 ThickAsThieves: how*

13:44:39 ThickAsThieves: "Do you have drugs?" "No." "Carry on" ?

13:44:52 mircea_popescu: outrageous.

13:45:32 ThickAsThieves: we are definitely overstaffed in this county

13:45:38 VanCleef: spread your cheeks and cough

13:46:11 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell justusranvier http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2014#601622 prolly interest you.

13:46:11 gribble: The operation succeeded.

13:46:36 ThickAsThieves: is it an idiot trap? i mean all you do is say "is that an order?" "am i free to leave?" and that's it rigght?

13:46:59 mircea_popescu: i'd fucking sue the town.

13:47:10 ThickAsThieves: last weekend,

13:47:18 mircea_popescu: "you delayed me. pay up. you didn't pay up of your own accord. here's my lawyer. pay him too."

13:47:20 ThickAsThieves: they has a first-time craft beer festival

13:47:34 ThickAsThieves: partially promoted and organized by the city

13:47:35 ThickAsThieves: well,

13:47:56 ThickAsThieves: 5 years ago the city had a nice new parking lot made near the area

13:48:08 ThickAsThieves: free every day all day

13:48:16 ThickAsThieves: then you go the event and it's all blocked off

13:48:21 ThickAsThieves: with someone collecting fees

13:48:29 ThickAsThieves: AND it was a pay event

13:48:38 ThickAsThieves: i dont get it...

13:48:57 VanCleef: dont they search your car?

13:49:06 VanCleef: if they wanted to

13:49:10 ThickAsThieves: so we pay for the lot, and when we need it most you charge us again?

13:50:34 BingoBoingo: Eh, the state universities in Illinois have this odd rule where parking must be financed separately from the university it is attached to

13:51:08 BingoBoingo: The end result is a desire to sit in the parking garage for a lecture rather than any of the lecture halls

13:52:34 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell cads http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2014#601035 << where is this ?

13:52:34 gribble: The operation succeeded.

13:53:47 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'll say they learned vetrov's lesson when they quit winblows.

13:53:56 moiety: what an epic day! I can think straight again! *getting to keep my house a wee bit longer!

13:54:07 mircea_popescu: nah, they just changed how they did personnel . for the nth time.

13:54:14 asciilifeform: nato strategy for getting russians to eat shit, however, is brilliant - eat it themselves.

13:54:17 BingoBoingo: congrats moiety

13:54:18 mircea_popescu: homeless moiety ?!

13:54:22 asciilifeform: 'they're eating it, why shouldn't we'

13:54:30 moiety: not yet mircea_popescu

13:54:32 *: moiety beams

13:54:39 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform brilliant is one way to call it...

13:54:42 moiety: thanks BingoBoingo :D

13:57:55 antephialtic: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_SECRET_CUBAN_TWITTER_ABRIDGED

13:57:55 ozbot: News from The Associated Press

13:58:10 antephialtic: "The U.S. government masterminded the creation of a "Cuban Twitter" - a communications network designed to undermine the communist government in Cuba, built with secret shell companies and financed through foreign banks, The Associated Press has learned."

13:59:38 moiety: let's celebrate with a manul: this is the face i mde at my landlord today https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1125248520/manul_profile.png

13:59:51 asciilifeform: where's the russian webturd for stirring unrest in the u.s.? why the neglect.

14:01:41 *: BingoBoingo wonders if the back ditch is going to be able to handle all of this rain without spilling it into the house

14:02:52 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I dunno that the russians need one/lack the discipline to conceal their involvement

14:03:27 nubbins`: ThickAsThieves "narcotics checkpoint" aka "seeing if there are any shady people on the road"... travelling in a car is second only to travelling by air with regard to how few rights you have

14:04:47 BingoBoingo: At least Max Keiser is going to get his ass kicked http://www.coindesk.com/londons-iconic-o2-venue-host-bitcoin-fight-night/

14:05:03 truffles: booo

14:05:15 VanCleef: how do you lose against a crack head tho?

14:05:49 moiety: BingoBoingo: i think this is worth a trip to london

14:06:19 nubbins`: mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=348977.msg6052465#msg6052465

14:06:29 BingoBoingo: moiety: Maybe from scotland, it's what 15 minutes on a bicycle?

14:07:03 moiety: approx 8 hours via train, 12 via bus, 3 via plane

14:07:17 BingoBoingo: But they look so close on the map.

14:07:32 moiety: lolol probably cus you could fit britain into where you live XD

14:08:21 moiety: takes 5 hours just to drive tonewcastle form here

14:08:28 moiety: (making good time)

14:08:34 nubbins`: what's a plane ride cost, $1?

14:08:35 nubbins`: :D

14:09:00 jurov: where's bitcointa-lk firefox plugin?

14:09:06 moiety: lol not from this city £100+

14:09:20 moiety: it the only flight you can get i think nubbins` lol (to london)

14:09:30 nubbins`: heh

14:09:47 nubbins`: still. they wouldn't let you into the airport for £100 here

14:09:56 BingoBoingo: jurov: Github

14:10:05 BingoBoingo: https://bitcointa.lk/pages/browser-extension/

14:10:06 ozbot: Browser Extension | Bitcointa.lk

14:10:06 moiety: and its those shady wee 12 seater things

14:11:18 moiety: this is where i live (photographer friends pic) http://i.imgur.com/4CX29Ql.png

14:11:42 BingoBoingo: That's not a place... That's a dock or a bridge

14:12:18 moiety: http://i.imgur.com/R5K8TRh.png

14:12:26 moiety: we has both :D thats the city

14:13:11 BingoBoingo: Is that a volcano in the middle?

14:13:15 moiety: 3 photographer friends have started an fb page withtheir pictures of the place, ivebeen stealing them all lol

14:13:17 moiety: yep

14:13:22 moiety: dormant

14:14:08 nubbins`: man. i've been trying to order medium black organic t-shirts for like a fuckin month

14:14:16 nubbins`: but they're always sold out of MEDIUM

14:14:22 nubbins`: all 5 warehouses

14:14:33 nubbins`: hundreds of all other sizes in stock

14:15:32 jurov: buy L and cook them?

14:16:04 jurov: and label them "pre-shrunk"

14:16:18 BingoBoingo: Buy small and call them fat?

14:16:52 moiety: lolol ^

14:17:46 nubbins`: heh.

14:17:58 nubbins`: well last time the customer just got a bunch of large

14:18:11 BingoBoingo: If you want to be polite about it you can call the smalls "fitted"

14:18:14 nubbins`: but this order, they're asking for 20 mediums in a 50-shirt order

14:18:34 nubbins`: i'm going to suggest charcoal grey instead of black

14:19:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.063099 = 0.1262 BTC [+]

14:19:37 BingoBoingo: Maybe institute a bezzel where your "insurer" won't let you organic, because moths

14:19:45 nubbins`: heh

14:21:18 jurov: BingoBoingo: thx, I realized I can click the (Github) on their plugin page

14:23:26 BingoBoingo: jurov: welcome

14:23:41 nubbins`: one of the nicest smells is just after you finish grinding coffee beans

14:23:58 nubbins`: there's this brief whiff of co2-heavy air that comes out

14:24:02 nubbins`: only lasts a second or two

14:24:43 BingoBoingo: http://nypost.com/2014/04/03/alcoholic-court-stenographers-gibberish-imperils-guilty-verdicts/

14:24:44 ozbot: Rogue alcoholic court reporter kept writing ‘I hate my job’ | New York Post

14:26:17 nubbins`: always wondered why they don't keep voice recordings

14:26:48 asciilifeform: nubbins`: it's all part of the 'rule of law' bullshit, where they get to decide that certain things never happened

14:27:01 asciilifeform: or that tone of voice never happened (SOP) etc.

14:27:08 nubbins`: "Strike those comments from the record!" / "rewind the tape 30 seconds!"

14:27:16 BingoBoingo: Also text doesn't convey the judge's drunk sluring

14:27:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.04400042 = 0.308 BTC [-] {4}

14:27:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.05791428 = 0.4054 BTC [+] {4}

14:27:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7 @ 0.10144642 = 0.7101 BTC [-] {4}

14:27:30 asciilifeform: yeah but then, unless an expert monkey walks the recording, it becomes obvious

14:27:33 asciilifeform: that something was snipped

14:27:45 asciilifeform: 'the memory hole'

14:27:58 asciilifeform: only really works well with text

14:28:21 nubbins`: for shame

14:28:31 nubbins`: stenography shorthand, fascinating

14:38:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.06060114 = 0.4848 BTC [-]

14:38:50 mircea_popescu: nubbins` lol pretty epic

14:40:27 nubbins`: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=348977.msg6053033#msg6053033

14:40:28 ozbot: This is the story of your loss.

14:40:30 nubbins`: straight troll now ;(

14:40:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9550 @ 0.00096 = 9.168 BTC [+]

14:44:34 antephialtic: "Marcel Popescu"

14:44:36 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in the best america : http://www.thedailysheeple.com/venezuela-enforces-fingerprint-registry-to-buy-groceries-what-to-do-before-rationing-starts-in-america_042014

14:45:03 antephialtic: is that your french cousin?

14:45:26 mircea_popescu: i have no idea ?

14:45:44 mircea_popescu: you'll have to take me slowly, my forum reports stopped coming in. i have no fucking idea.

14:45:53 pankkake: wow, venezuela is scary. I fear it's the future of France :(

14:45:55 nubbins`: "People who go shopping every day hurt us all"

14:45:59 nubbins`: ^ pretty lucid

14:46:03 pankkake: and I'm a hoarder already

14:46:03 Apocalyptic: might as well be pankkake

14:46:18 mircea_popescu: pankkake the not so distant future.

14:46:23 nubbins`: you're not a hoarder, you're a nervous buyer.

14:46:32 Apocalyptic: but Sapin is gonna save you all

14:46:48 nubbins`: anyway, just pointing out the name of the website that article is posted on

14:46:55 pankkake: Now, think about those “loyalty cards” that every grocery store in North America promotes when you go through the checkout.

14:47:10 nubbins`: "the daily sheeple" -- almost as cringe-worthy as the Frank & Oak ads

14:47:11 pankkake: eh, this is actually true, loyalty cards just got financially interesting this year

14:47:32 mircea_popescu: they had them since the 80s

14:47:45 mircea_popescu: one of buffett's first businesses was some discount stamp operation.

14:48:08 nubbins`: "Food Minister Felix Osorio said the process was off to a smooth start. He says the system will sound an alarm when it detects suspicious purchasing patterns, ensuring that less-than-honest customers will be beaten to death by the angry mob that surrounds them"

14:48:22 pankkake: stores I go to had like 0.03% savings, now it's 5%

14:48:24 mircea_popescu: bwahahaha

14:48:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23750 @ 0.00095961 = 22.7907 BTC [-] {2}

14:48:51 Apocalyptic: pankkake, have you seen http://www.lecontrarien.com/scoop-faites-comme-le-nouveau-ministre-de-leconomie-rien-a-la-banque-tout-en-actifs-tangibles-03-04-2014-edito ?

14:49:06 Apocalyptic: pretty lulzy

14:49:09 mircea_popescu: venezuela, set to become first country without inequality. "in our stores, nobody buys nuttin'" one county comissioner stated.

14:49:13 pankkake: lol, no haven't seen

14:49:25 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic you french too ?

14:49:54 Apocalyptic: i have lived in France for a decent time

14:50:05 nubbins`: "maybe if we give EVERYONE a job toting a rifle around a grocery store..."

14:50:13 ThickAsThieves: ;;estimate

14:50:14 gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 5987463980.93 based on data since last change | 6793092876.89 based on data for last three days

14:50:20 ThickAsThieves: burly

14:50:34 mircea_popescu: ah i c.

14:50:42 nubbins`: anyway the funny thing about these "sheeple" / "SHTF" websites is that they offer advice that would have been perceived as obvious and sensible a generation or two ago

14:50:55 moiety: nubbins`: I'm free for work....lol

14:51:05 nubbins`: "plant a garden" / "eat local food" / "store long-term food supplies"

14:51:07 nubbins`: etc

14:51:30 ThickAsThieves: ah the GOOG finally split

14:51:41 nubbins`: modern dum-dums read this and say "lel what are you worried about"

14:51:47 mircea_popescu: nubbins` indeed. which is the genius of it, they just copy/paste old almanacs

14:51:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-]

14:51:54 nubbins`: yup.

14:52:03 Apocalyptic: pankkake, the declaration has actually been removed from the official website this morning

14:52:16 nubbins`: it's amazing how quickly a society forgets

14:52:16 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

14:52:24 mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/WrLl6wn.gif cat ftw.

14:52:24 Apocalyptic: just noticed the update, it's so good

14:52:46 rithm: i thought everything bitcoin-related was a scam

14:52:52 nubbins`: rithm it is

14:53:00 rithm: ahh k

14:53:17 nubbins`: bummer, huh?

14:53:31 thestringpuller: http://moneymorning.com/ext/articles/bitcoin/36-cities-in-20-states-abandon-the-dollar.php?iris=183550&utm_source=taboola&utm_medium=cpm&utm_content=ko1&utm_campaign=bitcoin

14:54:10 mircea_popescu: ah come on

14:54:21 mircea_popescu: nubbins` your face's a scam

14:54:30 nubbins`: thestringpuller: "What is replacing the dollar in these U.S. cities and companies? Watch this fuckin video to find out because we can't be bothered to just tell you"

14:54:45 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: how else am i supposed to beguile the ladies?

14:54:52 mircea_popescu: darn.

14:54:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 25 @ 0.04265959 = 1.0665 BTC [-] {6}

14:55:09 Asa9: nice cat gif

14:55:25 mircea_popescu: Asa9 now that cat definitely's a scam

14:55:40 nubbins`: heh.

14:55:54 nubbins`: cat is running a fractional reserve

14:55:56 numerisTrade: /j #ripple

14:56:14 nubbins`: "nonono i totally have a dozen eggs, just come back tomorrow"

14:56:15 mircea_popescu: well... a fractional chicken serve, anyway.

14:57:00 nubbins`: "DID YOUR CITY JUST DUMP THE DOLLAR?"

14:57:14 antephialtic: "Neo&Bee only failed because it wasn't a DAC."

14:57:20 nubbins`: i feel like i should post a link from an alarmist end-of-times website to fit in

14:57:24 mircea_popescu: "our city dump is already overfull. we can't dump no dollar"

14:57:49 nubbins`: i came across one of these a while ago: http://www.zwiggystradetokens.com/1983-st-johns-trade-token-gilbert-dollar-p-1219.html

14:57:56 mircea_popescu: nubbins` like http://www.wikihow.com/Make-Your-Boyfriend-Think-You're-Cute ?

14:58:17 mircea_popescu: note the fucking tranny opening cartoon

14:58:47 nubbins`: heh

14:58:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 25 @ 0.05889992 = 1.4725 BTC [+] {2}

14:59:02 nubbins`: keep #2, throw out the rest

14:59:12 nubbins`: altho TBF if you're not naturally confident, faking it ain't gonna work

14:59:41 mircea_popescu: confident is not cute.

14:59:47 mircea_popescu: submissive is cute, and that's hard to fake.

14:59:56 mircea_popescu: "Make sure you take a shower,wash your hair, body, feet, etc"

14:59:57 nubbins`: oh, shit, we're going for "cute"

15:00:03 mircea_popescu: sometimes i wonder where in africa is this us of a.

15:00:30 nubbins`: speaking of cute, my wife bought a pair of these insane leggings:

15:00:30 nubbins`: http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0115/5832/products/AT-Finn_JakeLegs-5-WEB_1024x1024.png?v=1384144933

15:00:54 mircea_popescu: "Don't wear some booty shorts that make your butt hang out, low cut shirts, really tight clothing, or sheer clothing. Hanging all your stuff out isn't cute, it's gross. Be modest."

15:01:01 mircea_popescu: apparently, some muslim part of africa at any rate.

15:01:14 nubbins`: "wear floor-length skirts and turtleneck sweaters"

15:01:26 nubbins`: http://www.theonion.com/articles/suburban-mom-wows-family-with-most-androgynous-loo,34397/

15:01:26 ozbot: Suburban Mom Wows Family With Most Androgynous Look Yet | The Onion - America's Finest News Source

15:01:27 mircea_popescu: how to "accidentally" get shot, a guide. #1 : "Randomly poke him in his stomach, arm, or face. "

15:02:12 mircea_popescu: "Randomly look at him and say you're a flirt. Make sure you sound playfully and sweet. Surely you two will get in a play argument about who is a bigger flirt."

15:02:16 mircea_popescu: ah these wikis are so great.


15:04:29 mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/aantonooooop/status/451722966749827073

15:04:29 ozbot: Twitter / aantonooooop: If @Mircea_Popescu is the ...

15:04:41 mircea_popescu: someone made a "fake andreas".

15:04:48 mircea_popescu: question that remains is who the fuck is the real andreas.

15:04:52 mircea_popescu: please stand up.

15:05:11 pankkake: oh that's where the "Neo&Bee only failed because it wasn't a DAC." is from

15:05:44 pankkake: haha it's pure genius

15:06:50 kakobrekla: a digital to analogue converter? i dun get it.

15:07:12 pankkake: Decentralized Autonomous Corporation

15:07:33 nubbins`: hm, considering making a bet about whether HIF will pay a dividend on schedule

15:07:37 kakobrekla: stupid acronym

15:07:45 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla some reddit derps took mpex contracts, threw out most of the good bits [they didn';t understood] and "branded it"

15:07:51 mircea_popescu: now they'll be forever remembered

15:07:56 kakobrekla: orly

15:08:17 mircea_popescu: as those reddit derps that tried to name something they stole but not actually understood in a futile attempt to be forever remembered that nevertheless sorta worked

15:08:18 Asa9: omg THE goldstein of bitcoin!

15:08:20 mircea_popescu: for a year or so

15:08:53 Asa9: an honor sir!

15:09:14 kakobrekla: ;;rate turbo_ac100 1 did a firefox plugin for bitbet

15:09:15 gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.

15:09:18 kakobrekla: meh

15:09:27 mircea_popescu: it's not a bad thing to be, tbh. if the choice is that book, the only other option is the chick when young

15:09:34 mircea_popescu: and i dun wanna be a chick, even should she be young.

15:09:57 kakobrekla: ;;rate turbo_ac100 1 did a firefox plugin for bitbet

15:09:58 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user turbo_ac100 has been recorded.

15:10:34 mircea_popescu: so why da fuck does nobody go "omg s.nsa must post pics we do not believe this" ?

15:10:53 asciilifeform: perhaps they were put to sleep by the first set of pics.

15:11:07 asciilifeform: do people even like to look at printed circuits any more?

15:11:17 mircea_popescu: sucks to be me

15:11:25 mircea_popescu: i wish i could be marcel popescu of the forums instead

15:11:40 pankkake: no the only thing that matters is the PCB color

15:11:41 asciilifeform: i'm twirling a brand new one in my fingers now. what a beautiful crystallized piece of civilization this bugger is.

15:12:14 asciilifeform: think of all of the engineering sweat that goes into the tech (not to mention little chinese girls denied toilet breaks)

15:12:40 nubbins`: i base my tech purchases on the amount of pee being held in by the people making the item in question

15:13:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.0608355 = 1.2167 BTC [+] {2}

15:13:20 nubbins`: generally this is unknowable so it's been a while since i bought anything new

15:13:20 Asa9: bladder augmentation

15:13:30 mircea_popescu: well here's the pic anyway : http://fraudsters.com/2014/snsa-march-2014-statement/ (grep for ps)

15:13:37 mircea_popescu: tho you really don't deserve it.

15:13:37 asciilifeform: to be fair, i understand why skeptics don't care much for photos now.

15:13:46 asciilifeform: photo doesn't prove that a widget functions as promised.

15:14:05 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you fail miserably your punishment will be to dwell on the forums for two years.

15:14:16 mircea_popescu: guaranteed to change the way you look at ... i dunno, a glass of water.

15:14:34 nubbins`: sexy boards

15:14:46 nubbins`: i can only imagine what lies beneath the sticker

15:14:49 asciilifeform: nubbins`: these are i/o panels.


15:15:00 mircea_popescu: omfg i need another internet.

15:16:04 asciilifeform: i like how the 'customs inspection' time of this crap is... 10 minutes.

15:16:45 asciilifeform: and yes, the sticker tells the truth, afaik - these came out of the plating baths on 4/1.

15:16:52 nubbins`: have you guys figured out packaging/documentation/instructions/etc for these little beasts yet?

15:16:55 antephialtic: you gotta have today's newspaper in the background of the pic

15:17:01 mircea_popescu: nubbins` not fully.

15:17:42 asciilifeform: nubbins`: ask a fellow who owns a kalashnikov. did it come with instructions?

15:17:57 asciilifeform: 'this side towards enemy'

15:18:02 mircea_popescu: i do think he has a point, we'll have to figure it out

15:18:09 mircea_popescu: even if the figuring ends up being "fu go away"

15:18:35 asciilifeform: in all seriousness, i intend to print 'cardano - design & operation' in dead tree, for a few lucky folks

15:18:59 mircea_popescu: with illustrations

15:19:05 dignork: https://www.ar15.com/content/webPDF/AK47USArmyOperatorManual.pdf

15:19:06 asciilifeform: and commented sources.

15:19:08 mircea_popescu: "cardano, the missing manul" ?

15:19:09 nubbins`: well, y'know kids these days. nice packaging + a couple of "unboxing videos" = more sales

15:19:28 asciilifeform: on the nato side,

15:19:29 asciilifeform: http://i655.photobucket.com/albums/uu277/WolfTrack_album/ForIdiots.jpg

15:19:52 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you ever seen the landmines ?

15:19:56 mike_c: <kakobrekla> ;;rate turbo_ac100 1 did a firefox plugin for bitbet << for everybody who asks "how to i get wot ratings". here's one way.

15:19:56 mircea_popescu: "this end towards enemy"

15:19:58 asciilifeform: claymore

15:20:08 asciilifeform: russian version, afaik, lacks the helpful tip.

15:20:20 nubbins`: lel

15:20:27 asciilifeform: nm

15:20:28 asciilifeform: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0b/Non_armed_mon50_anti-personnel_clustermine.jpg

15:20:31 asciilifeform: there it is.

15:20:44 asciilifeform: 'к противнику'

15:21:02 mircea_popescu: potrivnicii hahaha

15:21:14 mircea_popescu: "potrivnic" means opponent in romanian

15:21:21 antephialtic: ascilifeform: http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/AK-47_Operator's_Manual

15:21:40 antephialtic: whoops, didn't see someone had already posted

15:21:42 asciilifeform: what do you know. everything has a manual.

15:21:48 asciilifeform: probably even army spoon.

15:22:00 dignork: toilet paper?

15:22:06 mircea_popescu: "do not chew"

15:22:41 mircea_popescu: nubbins` lol marsellus.

15:22:46 nubbins`: :D

15:22:49 mircea_popescu: i shall be mp aka marsellus goldstein

15:22:50 nubbins`: marsellus popescuus

15:22:52 andreas_: https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/emFvrWIk

15:22:52 ozbot: Pastebin: emFvrWIk | IRCCloud

15:23:00 asciilifeform: find a silica gel packet that came with electronic parts. mine here is printed: 'do not eat.'

15:23:08 chetty: British Army TP used to say "on her majesties service" on each sheet

15:23:14 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i saw some "do not feed to children"

15:23:24 mircea_popescu: chetty ahahahaah

15:23:27 nubbins`: "do not insert genitals into blender"

15:23:29 mircea_popescu: probably for stress relieving

15:23:43 Asa9: lol

15:25:00 asciilifeform: re: trolls, pcb photos, and skepticism: i'm waiting for the clever idiots. 'you stuffed winblows in there'

15:26:03 mircea_popescu: there's sadly no middle class idiocy. people are either very dumb or passibly smart.

15:26:10 nubbins`: all-black packaging plz

15:26:15 mircea_popescu: i wonder how the hell this works out in practice, it's out and out antistatistical.

15:26:17 nubbins`: classy

15:26:21 asciilifeform: i have this (perhaps false?) memory that the net used to contain clever idiots.

15:26:29 moiety: http://metro.co.uk/2014/03/31/toilet-paper-that-costs-150-a-plop-erm-i-mean-pop-4684394/

15:26:35 mircea_popescu: i think it may be more of an artefact of your age asciilifeform

15:26:37 asciilifeform: maybe they all OD'd on aol stock in the '90s or something

15:26:44 mircea_popescu: when you were a kid things maybe looked taller.

15:26:49 asciilifeform: possibly.

15:27:10 nubbins`: this is why i don't re-watch movies i enjoyed as a kid

15:27:20 mircea_popescu: ^

15:27:25 mike_c: some hold up though.

15:27:27 mircea_popescu: i sometimes do, but it's always a debate.

15:27:31 nubbins`: the scattered one, yes

15:27:34 asciilifeform: hilariously, virtually all the folks who read my blog think i must be at least 50y.o.

15:27:38 nubbins`: the dark crystal vs the mask

15:27:42 mircea_popescu: i rewatched jungle book and i was completely underwhelmed

15:27:57 mircea_popescu: (as a kid, i could not understand english, so it was all splendid gibledygook to me)

15:28:03 asciilifeform: russian prison proverb - 'do not return to the place where you had joy'

15:28:14 mike_c: does the dark crystal hold up? i would be nervous to watch again because i loved it as a kid.

15:28:20 nubbins`: mike_c yeah

15:28:33 mircea_popescu: you two may be different people, as a psa.

15:28:36 nubbins`: skeksis are still fucking badass

15:28:39 asciilifeform: could not understand english, so it was all splendid gibledygook to me << that was me, watching american animation on bootled vhs, in '90.

15:28:44 mike_c: heh. awesome

15:28:54 asciilifeform: *bootleg

15:29:16 pankkake: BFL sends me a mail with… this image: https://gallery.mailchimp.com/5015fc3486176144c53751877/images/take_my_bitcoins_logo.png

15:29:24 nubbins`: there's something nice about watching a movie in a language you don't understand, though

15:29:31 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform pretty much yeah :D

15:29:38 nubbins`: the first time i saw pan's labyrinth was spanish audio with korean subtitles

15:30:00 rithm: take_my_bitcoins_logo.png trollmode over9000

15:30:07 nubbins`: pankkake so does this mean they're offering refunds...?

15:30:19 mircea_popescu: nubbins` watch spielen wir liebe then.

15:30:22 mircea_popescu: guaranteed trip.

15:31:07 rithm: so NEOBEE or is that yesterday's lolercoaster

15:31:31 mircea_popescu: NewBie shall return! from ashes!

15:31:35 rithm: "people are threatening me everything is mysterious let's be vague on bitscumtalk"

15:31:50 asciilifeform: is there a short/sweet sum-up somewhere of wtf 'neobee' was?

15:32:07 asciilifeform: the way it looks to me, it's replay of 'pirate' ?

15:32:13 kakobrekla: from some guy: > Upon review of your Bitstamp account we have to notify you that your verification documents do not meet our verification standards.

15:32:13 mircea_popescu: bitscumtalk lol

15:32:25 rithm: sonething something ipo physical location cryptocurrency

15:32:26 mircea_popescu: this reminds me of the weird homoerotic teenager party game

15:32:31 kakobrekla: after he has been verified.

15:32:38 nubbins`: asciilifeform the general consensus is that btc flowed from "investors" through tat to neo to cypriot advertisers who kicked back to neo

15:32:41 nubbins`: or something

15:33:09 asciilifeform: was 'neobee' ever more than of 'entomological' interest to thinking folks?

15:33:11 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla verifications reverify every fie.

15:33:13 rithm: everything is the same oops your money is gone pirate replay

15:33:31 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform originally it claimed, without substantiation, that it may be. so thinking folks originally reserved judgement

15:33:34 rithm: it's the exit strategy of the world. no accountability

15:33:58 rithm: erm except MPEx tho

15:34:03 rithm: couch couch

15:34:07 rithm: *cough

15:34:24 nubbins`: was just gonna say, nsa/mg are the only btc corps i can think of that didn't immediately blow their fuckin wad on salaries

15:34:42 mircea_popescu: how scandalous this must be.

15:34:51 nubbins`: imagine, startups that are more interested in making things than drawing a fat paycheque

15:34:58 rithm: crqazy talk

15:35:06 mircea_popescu: YOU MUST GROW FAST

15:35:08 rithm: step one is buy the gulfstream

15:35:18 rithm: step two is learn to fly

15:35:24 nubbins`: as owner of a small business, i'm amused by how eager most "companies" in this space are to spend money

15:35:49 nubbins`: pink eye didn't pay out a dime in wages for our first 2 years

15:35:58 nubbins`: even now, it's minimum wage for billable hours only

15:36:08 rithm: step three smile, shake hands, take monies, talk smart <---that's all one step

15:36:08 asciilifeform: i've spent ~2 btc, so far.

15:36:17 *: nubbins` genuinely applauds alf

15:36:18 Apocalyptic: <nubbins`> as owner of a small business, i'm amused by how eager most "companies" in this space are to spend money << amazes me as well

15:36:19 mircea_popescu: more like 1.6

15:36:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10915 @ 0.00010999 = 1.2005 BTC [+] {3}

15:36:50 rithm: step four abscond with monies

15:36:58 rithm: step five $$$

15:37:00 nubbins`: "let's open an office with neon signs and track lighting and wood panelling and GLASS EVERYWHERE"

15:37:06 nubbins`: "we can afford to do this for a couple of weeks"

15:37:14 asciilifeform: to be fair, i did blow $xxxx of lunch money modernizing my bench. but that's not an s.nsa expense item.

15:37:58 nubbins`: aha! so remember those shit plastisol inks that were "donated" to us, and were unusable, and the dump wouldn't take?

15:38:07 nubbins`: convinced the asshole donators to take 'em back

15:38:09 *: nubbins` cackles

15:39:45 rithm: how about those shiny new GOOGL class C's

15:40:17 VanCleef: goes well with a segway

15:40:35 mircea_popescu: i'd take a two year put on google/bitcoin

15:40:44 mircea_popescu: the problem is that fucking market has no liquidity whatsoever

15:40:53 mircea_popescu: perhaps due to the fact everyone knows fiat is fucked.

15:42:53 rithm: the fungibility of bitcoin decimal units is the only thing that can bail anyone out of trillions in debt

15:43:18 asciilifeform: VanCleef: segway goes well with... cliffs.

15:43:26 asciilifeform: ;;google segway cliff

15:43:27 gribble: Segway tycoon Jimi Heselden dies in cliff plunge on one of his own ...: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1315518/Segway-tycoon-Jimi-Heselden-dies-cliff-plunge-scooters.html; Jimi Heselden - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimi_Heselden; Segway company owner rides scooter off cliff, dies - NBC News: http://www.nbcnews.com/id/39377851/ns (1 more message)

15:43:27 rithm: i'm counting down the days until zombies myself

15:43:36 rithm: spend a little time each night sharpening my axe

15:44:07 asciilifeform: rithm: everyone knows you sharpen a sapper's spade for zombies, not axe.

15:45:24 rithm: your legs are strong, and you're so, so long and you don't come from this town

15:45:26 mircea_popescu: i wonder if zombies give better head.

15:45:42 rithm: if you use a machete sure

15:45:43 mircea_popescu: seeing how crackheads aren't so bad, and that'd seem the next ogical step

15:46:09 mod6: crackheads have less teef, not sure about zombies.

15:47:07 mircea_popescu: if zombies have teef they're probably a) not theirs and b) lodged in their backs etc.

15:47:16 rithm: mircea_popescu seems like the type to bareback a zombie

15:47:22 rithm: idk

15:47:32 *: nubbins` blinks

15:47:38 nubbins`: that's a sapper's spade?

15:47:41 nubbins`: i have one of those

15:48:15 nubbins`: it was called a "camping shovel"

15:48:37 mod6: entrenching tool

15:48:48 mod6: many uses

15:49:29 asciilifeform: http://militera.lib.ru/research/suvorov6/01.html

15:51:52 mike_c: rithm: google is learning from mpex :) more non-voting shares!

15:51:57 nubbins`: was always curious about the serrated edge

15:52:04 nubbins`: eventually decided it was for tree roots

15:52:08 mod6: nice asciilifeform

15:52:59 mircea_popescu: buffett actually made the observation sometime in the 80s that their nonvoting shares turned out to be more valuable than their voting shares

15:53:07 mircea_popescu: and starting detaching selling off his voting rights

15:53:35 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in the land of the desperate, "Facing the success of Anna Tatu's Valentine banners, we have redesigned them & removed the reference to "Valentine". Now you can use them all year long!"

15:53:56 nubbins`: TATU

15:54:07 nubbins`: sorry, t.A.T.u.

15:54:08 VanCleef: whatever happened to those chicks?

15:54:17 nubbins`: not sure, very popular in korea when i was there

15:54:27 nubbins`: entire discog available in every karaoke room

15:54:34 VanCleef: sickness

15:54:45 asciilifeform: nubbins`: incl. 'yugoslavia' ?

15:54:52 mircea_popescu: nubbins` they came of age and so were no longer interesting to pedos ?

15:55:02 mircea_popescu: http://redblow.com/stuff/anna-tatu-naked-in-grocery-shop/anna-tatu-11.jpg < that's her anyway.

15:55:19 nubbins`: asciilifeform that's the one song name i remember

15:55:59 mircea_popescu: they had a "things she said" one, i dun recall the yugoslavia bit

15:56:07 mircea_popescu: not being around at the time.

15:56:09 nubbins`: booze in the grocery store

15:56:12 nubbins`: things you don't see here

15:56:19 mircea_popescu: nubbins` europe is actually free.

15:56:31 asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tdf3gEHZgo

15:56:31 ozbot: t.A.T.u. - Yugoslavia - YouTube

15:56:32 asciilifeform: that one.

15:56:40 asciilifeform: (english subs)

15:56:46 nubbins`: mircea_popescu more common here is to have a full liquor store attached to the grocery store

15:57:04 mircea_popescu: "Kochanski?s botched transcripts include the 2010 mortgage-fraud trial of Aaron Hand, who was also convicted of trying to hire a hit man to take out a witness against him."

15:57:24 mircea_popescu: someone should conduct a study of "how many times did the prosecution claim hitman to try and get a tough case past the jury"

15:57:59 asciilifeform: having been on a u.s. jury, i'll say that it ought to be enough to cure anyone of 'rule of law' delusion.

15:58:06 nubbins`: https://www.google.ca/maps/place/Sobeys/@47.567024,-52.716654,2a,90y,90t/data=!3m5!1e2!3m3!1shttps:%2F%2Flh3.googleusercontent.com%2F-ybKcOwZQd1I%2FUlP3czrACGI%2FAAAAAAAAAio%2Fn56IgQQyHPQ%2Fs203%2F2013-10-08!2e4!3e12!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0xdc3cfa9c288b7d43!6m1!1e1

15:58:06 ozbot: Google Maps

15:58:12 nubbins`: ...now that's a link

15:58:15 mircea_popescu: o ? how did it go ?

15:58:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.50703232 BTC to 4`992 shares, 50221 satoshi per share

15:59:11 asciilifeform: it was a petty theft case, long ago. some bugger was evicted from an apartment, and his belongings were carried out by a set of hired hands. one of whom stole a garbage bag full of pron. also containing a (usg-issued) laptop.

15:59:25 jurov: nubbins` here you can see small grocery attached to liquor store instead xD

15:59:27 asciilifeform: the latter had the mandatory bios rootkit, and 'called home'

15:59:32 nubbins`: :D

15:59:47 asciilifeform: but none of this is interesting. the educational bit is how the trials actually go

15:59:49 nubbins`: generally you only see booze and groceries in the same store when you visit rural areas

15:59:55 turbo_ac100: mike_c: well for the first one it seems reasonable to me. Maybe because I don't know too much about WOT :P

16:00:06 asciilifeform: e.g. both sides will stipulate something (said something being obvious crock of shit) to be 'fact' and go from there

16:00:10 nubbins`: altho this varies by province. quebec famously sells wine in gas stations

16:00:20 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's adversarial system with you.

16:00:28 nubbins`: here in newfoundland, every corner store and gas station sells beer, but no wine/booze

16:00:30 asciilifeform: ended in a mistrial, and the next set of jury chumpers naturally won't be told anything, everyone pretends the 1st go never happened, etc.

16:00:32 mircea_popescu: not necessarily anything wrong with it, is there ?

16:01:19 nubbins`: i was an alternate juror once, never ended up being needed

16:01:30 asciilifeform: adversarial system... not necessarily anything wrong with it << i'd rather they skipped straight to trial by chainsaw combat

16:01:38 asciilifeform: same result, more honest, cheaper.

16:01:45 mircea_popescu: no but bear with me a minute.

16:01:54 mircea_popescu: each side stipulates a crock of shit as fact and they go from there.

16:01:56 nubbins`: selection process was interesting. domestic assault trial, defendant turned away every female juror until his limit was up

16:02:03 asciilifeform: ah yes!

16:02:03 mircea_popescu: this seems intellecrtually quite respectable no ?

16:02:05 asciilifeform: voir dire

16:02:11 asciilifeform: it's a circus all its own.

16:02:26 mircea_popescu: i may be the only person here that actually appreciates common law.

16:02:27 asciilifeform: they systematically banish anyone with the slightest inkling of a clue from the room

16:02:33 nubbins`: ^

16:02:40 asciilifeform: i've been to four of these

16:02:48 asciilifeform: one time got picked. they ran out of 'strikes'

16:03:07 nubbins`: it was fun seeing people trying to get out of jury duty

16:03:14 nubbins`: "no b'y i gotta work"

16:04:01 nubbins`: st. john's being a city of less than 200k people, two of the jurors were excused because their sons played soccer with the prosecutor's son

16:04:15 Apocalyptic: lol

16:05:04 mircea_popescu: "my ex used to date his brother's ex your honor"

16:05:14 asciilifeform: trials were probably more interesting in the days of 'peine forte et dure' etc.

16:05:38 asciilifeform: i'ma ask for me lisp machine to be brought to my peine forte et dure.

16:05:55 asciilifeform: 60kg.

16:06:54 mircea_popescu: wywialm best way to figure out wtf atc is is to grep the logs for it.

16:07:38 mike_c: ;;later tell turbo_ac100 i think it is quite reasonable. i was presenting it as a good example of how to get rated.

16:07:39 gribble: The operation succeeded.

16:08:17 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

16:08:19 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 447.31, Best ask: 447.34, Bid-ask spread: 0.03000, Last trade: 447.31, 24 hour volume: 30559.63876518, 24 hour low: 416.11, 24 hour high: 457.36, 24 hour vwap: 439.818273209

16:08:25 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 314.59764223*439.818273209

16:08:26 gribble: 138365.791761

16:08:31 mircea_popescu: ;;google brk-a

16:08:32 gribble: BRK-A: Summary for Berkshire Hathaway Inc. Common - Yahoo ...: http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=BRK-A; Berkshire Hathaway Inc.: NYSE:BRK.A quotes & news - Google ...: http://www.google.com/finance?cid=4376; BRKA - Berkshire Hathaway Inc Stock quote - CNNMoney.com: http://money.cnn.com/quote/quote.html?symb=BRKA

16:08:57 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 186199.00 / 138365.791761

16:08:57 gribble: 1.34570111319

16:09:00 mircea_popescu: tsk tsk.

16:09:03 mircea_popescu: ahead by 35%

16:09:08 asciilifeform: re: voir dire: it often gets ridiculous. 'who here was a policeman? lawyer? once knew a policeman? once saw a policeman?'

16:09:31 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but WHY do you say it's ridiculous ?

16:09:39 bounce: what's wrong with institutions that $person dies, $institution dies is preferrable?

16:10:04 asciilifeform: bounce: nothing is wrong with this. because new caesars can be born.

16:10:38 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you should see, with your own eyes, who is left at the end of this procedure.

16:11:10 asciilifeform: i did see - by sheer accident.

16:11:11 bounce: to every ceasar there's a bunch of fscktards and even more mediocre guys holding down the place

16:11:32 mircea_popescu: i have participated

16:11:36 bounce: I don't really see a difference here, except much less continuity

16:11:42 mircea_popescu: on the strategist end of things, ie, picking who to throw off.

16:12:00 asciilifeform: that must've been puddles of fun.

16:12:03 mircea_popescu: sure.

16:12:58 asciilifeform: i assume everyone has seen the 'peoples of walmart' crap. well, that's who gets to sit on the jury.

16:13:54 bounce: wasn't it "a few good men" where the hot shot lawyer guy urged to keep the nigger because of his nicely shined shoes?

16:15:10 bounce: though I may well be misremembering. what a jury needs at a military trial is a bit of fridge logic.

16:15:23 Mats_cd03: "Adversarial system"? Who are you, Scalia?

16:15:25 asciilifeform: fridge logic ?

16:15:46 asciilifeform: and since when does a military trial use a jury ?

16:16:01 bounce: ;;google fridge logic tvtropes

16:16:01 gribble: Main/Fridge Logic - Television Tropes & Idioms - TV Tropes: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FridgeLogic; Main/Fridge Brilliance - Television Tropes & Idioms - TV Tropes: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FridgeBrilliance; Main/Fridge Horror - Television Tropes & Idioms - TV Tropes: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FridgeHorror

16:16:02 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but this doesn;t work for your arghument, it works against it.

16:16:09 mircea_popescu: the people of wallmart thing

16:16:11 Mats_cd03: courts martial

16:16:27 mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 apparently.

16:16:30 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ?

16:17:00 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the fact that the jury is selected for stupidity does not on the face support the theory that the trial is ineffectual.

16:17:16 Mats_cd03: e.g. a flag officer under courts martial gets a jury of his peers (other flag officers - generals)

16:17:28 mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 apparently i'm marsellus goldstern scalia.

16:18:12 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you did the exact same thing when you made cardano designs : selected the parts for stupidity.

16:18:15 mircea_popescu: well... goose, gander.

16:18:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63808 @ 0.00096078 = 61.3055 BTC [+] {3}

16:18:21 Mats_cd03: dongsellus dongstern donglia

16:18:28 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is certainly effective for... a purpose. just not the stated one - 'findings of fact'

16:18:34 mircea_popescu: why not ?

16:18:45 mircea_popescu: and it's "findings of fact AS THEY PERTAIN TO THE CASE"

16:18:51 mircea_popescu: it's not an apollo expedition.

16:19:30 Mats_cd03: its my greatest disappointment in life

16:19:32 bounce: who'd find facts in an apollo capsule anyway?

16:19:36 asciilifeform: well over here they also have an interesting legal concept, 'plea bargain'

16:19:39 Mats_cd03: that ill never be able to traverse the stars

16:19:50 asciilifeform: where 99% of the accused plead guilty to some largely-fictional charge

16:20:01 mircea_popescu: plea bargains and juries are not really much related thi

16:20:13 asciilifeform: but they go great together.

16:20:31 mircea_popescu: im not sure i could articulate your thesis atm.

16:20:32 Mats_cd03: asciilifeform: sad stacks, not enough people have the balls to go to trial and prefer to plea

16:20:37 Mats_cd03: you know, game theory, etc etc

16:20:54 bounce: nah. they're more of an extortionate fix to a "justice" system with too many overly vague overly broad criminal laws

16:21:22 Mats_cd03: the average prosecutor can only manage n trials at any time in a jurisdiction

16:21:36 Mats_cd03: the trick is being n+1 when the time comes ;)

16:21:37 mircea_popescu: bounce pretty much.

16:21:42 pankkake: http://www.reddit.com/r/neobee/comments/223p2y/unraveling_the_neo_bee_wave_of_resignations_by/

16:21:43 ozbot: Unraveling the Neo & Bee - Wave of resignations by employees and Mr. Neo disappeared : neobee

16:22:11 mircea_popescu: pankkake i hope you're aware you're engaging in the crime of COMMERCIAL BUSINESS BLACKMAIL

16:22:16 bounce: ie they're a way to wriggle past bill shock (where the bill is the sentence as well as the rest of the cost) while at the same time allowing the "justice" department to show they're worth their money by "producing" convicts

16:22:46 mircea_popescu: convictions.

16:22:52 pankkake: I'm surprised no one ever offered me money to shut up

16:22:54 mircea_popescu: if they could produce convictions without convicts they'd be happiest.

16:23:02 pankkake: threats, but not coins

16:23:08 mircea_popescu: pankkake they were trying to buy the girl over tho...

16:23:10 Apocalyptic: threats are cheap, like air

16:23:12 mircea_popescu: see, if only you had tits..

16:23:15 Apocalyptic: coins on the other hand...

16:23:20 bounce: aaron schwarz is a good illustration where the DoJ deliberately went for it only it backfired. though apparently hasn't backfired enough.

16:23:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.00557205 = 0.1059 BTC [-] {4}

16:23:37 Mats_cd03: http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2014/04/s-korea-runaway-drone-n-korea-20144211321213993.html

16:23:38 ozbot: S Korea and the runaway drone - Opinion - Al Jazeera English

16:23:39 pankkake: if I was a girl, I would have been a prostitute

16:23:55 mircea_popescu: then you'd have been a "girl you'll be a woman soon".

16:23:55 bounce: hmm... you're saying they're competing with the (commercially run) jail system? :-)

16:24:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 24 @ 0.04178331 = 1.0028 BTC [-] {11}

16:26:15 bounce: no convicts -> empty jails. doesn't appear to be a goal of the system. though it could be, I'll give you that. though not in a country where the culture prescribes conflicts must be about people. a conviction is an outcome of such a conflict.

16:26:26 mircea_popescu: bounce the jail filling is not a goal of the justice dept.

16:26:31 mircea_popescu: other people make that buck.

16:27:38 bounce: who drives it, though? seeing the large amounts of poor held pretty much indefinitely in pre-trial holding cells

16:29:00 mircea_popescu: congress. its the original backbone of pork

16:29:35 mircea_popescu: running a jail was the way to put yourself on the map, see ?

16:29:44 mircea_popescu: all through the 1800s

16:30:23 benkay: o/

16:31:32 bounce: geh. talk about unintended consequences.

16:32:04 mircea_popescu: that entire storyline about how easy the mobsters had it in jail ? well , the jails were run by congressmen which they had elected, and were going to reelect.

16:32:25 mircea_popescu: meanwhile the flow of campaign funds has mostly moved, but not entirely. and history is what shapes mechanisms.

16:32:37 bounce: am I correct in presuming the no institutions thing is about ensuring someone takes responsibility?

16:32:39 mircea_popescu: "why is the road here" "because this is the path cows took coming home"

16:32:48 asciilifeform: in wash. d.c., there is a private museaum, 'crime & punishment', with famous electric chairs, etc. they also have a reconstructed example of such a jail cell

16:32:48 mircea_popescu: bounce to a large degree.

16:32:52 bounce: so lingering connections and all that

16:32:55 asciilifeform: looks quite like a '40s hotel room

16:33:44 asciilifeform: complete with escritoire, if i recall.

16:34:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26090 @ 0.00096355 = 25.139 BTC [+]

16:35:01 bounce: there's prisons much more elaborate than that in latin america. you get to buy-in (and buy-out when you leave) for considerable sums of money, though

16:35:15 Mats_cd03: it gets better

16:35:35 mircea_popescu: anyway, the "suspended sentence" is the proof of the separation between convict and conviction, and the respective beneficiary institutions.

16:35:40 mircea_popescu: the cleavage is pretty deep

16:35:54 mircea_popescu: meanwhile the suspended sentence yielded its own excrescence, the social worker

16:36:08 Mats_cd03: in some places in asia, notably china, its popular for the moneyed to pay others to sit their duration of a prison sentence

16:36:16 mircea_popescu: which had a weak footing but meanwhile anchored itself in family care through the mediation of pseudo-healthcare (ie psychology)

16:36:26 asciilifeform: the town where the courthouse stood (see my recollections about juries previously) was a real laugh:

16:36:28 Mats_cd03: id rob banks for funsies if that was possible

16:36:46 asciilifeform: every other door was a 'bondsman' (lending bail money) or a contractor which sold gps collars

16:36:49 asciilifeform: for 'suspended sentences'

16:37:08 mircea_popescu: all these being counted as part of that "thriving, market economy which made the us great"

16:37:13 mircea_popescu: except they're uneconomical and antimarket.

16:37:39 asciilifeform: Mats_cd03: among the chechens, etc. the clan picks a 'youngest son' or whatever to do the time in his brother's place

16:37:51 asciilifeform: or, more generally, some designated luser with no better purpose at the moment.

16:38:01 mircea_popescu: the us has this institution too

16:38:04 asciilifeform: he'll dutifully confess and move in.

16:38:06 mircea_popescu: "designated driver"

16:38:33 mircea_popescu: the schmuck that doesn't drink or have fun so his friends can have sex they don't then have to account for.

16:38:43 mircea_popescu: or moreover... her.

16:39:14 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik 'designated drivers' only exist in ministry of health propaganda - the usual reality is that everyone is thoroughly picked, including the drivers

16:39:19 asciilifeform: *pickled

16:39:35 mircea_popescu: well i could argue the same re chechen practice :)

16:40:01 asciilifeform: said propaganda is riotously funny, when you drive by pub after pub with enormous parking lots

16:45:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.00096095 = 2.4024 BTC [-] {2}

16:53:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 76 @ 0.05041577 = 3.8316 BTC [+] {8}

16:57:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 30 @ 0.06 = 1.8 BTC [+]

16:59:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 11 @ 0.08799999 = 0.968 BTC [+] {3}

17:00:02 Mats_cd03: riotously funny in the sense that car accidents are amusing

17:03:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 13 @ 0.05415384 = 0.704 BTC [-] {3}

17:03:56 surfcapmgmt: Heavy volume on COG

17:04:08 surfcapmgmt: just resumed trading about an hour ago

17:05:13 kakobrekla: !t h cog

17:05:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK:COG] 1D: 0.04899999 / 0.05613435 / 0.08800000 (131 shares, 7.35359994 BTC), 7D: 0.04899999 / 0.05613435 / 0.08800000 (131 shares, 7.35359994 BTC), 30D: 0.00200000 / 0.03278706 / 0.08800000 (1020 shares, 33.44280011 BTC)

17:05:20 kakobrekla: a whole 7 btc.

17:05:24 kakobrekla: heavy shit.

17:05:57 surfcapmgmt: mmm hmmm

17:06:01 Apocalyptic: haha kako

17:06:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 12794 @ 0.00012477 = 1.5963 BTC [+] {18}

17:07:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7371 @ 0.00014965 = 1.1031 BTC [+] {16}

17:07:54 surfcapmgmt: !t h AM1

17:07:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK:AM1] 1D: 0.55013000 / 0.58130688 / 0.60809900 (80 shares, 46.50455064 BTC), 7D: 0.52200000 / 0.60393113 / 0.67470380 (734 shares, 443.28544940 BTC), 30D: 0.52200000 / 0.6116147 / 0.69510000 (3166 shares, 1936.37213073 BTC)

17:08:00 kakobrekla: ;;gettrust surfcapmgmt

17:08:01 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user kakobrekla to user surfcapmgmt: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=kakobrekla&dest=surfcapmgmt | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=surfcapmgmt | Rated since: never

17:09:37 pankkake: I believe it's "idiot deluxe"

17:09:56 bounce: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/mobile-payments-service-to-launch-this-month-9232906.html -- contrast with that other mobile payment thing, where the registration works the other way around

17:09:57 ozbot: Mobile payments service to launch this month - Business News - Business - The Independent

17:10:03 kakobrekla: yeah pankkake it seems so

17:11:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 100101 @ 0.0001681 = 16.827 BTC [+] {48}

17:12:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 31869 @ 0.00017159 = 5.4684 BTC [+] {7}

17:13:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0607 = 0.3035 BTC [-]

17:16:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 18118 @ 0.00019999 = 3.6234 BTC [+]

17:18:42 pLambert: mircea_popescu: I just tried to post a comment on fraudsters, it says it only accepts comments from humans, what did I do wrong?

17:20:58 antephialtic: tor exit node?

17:22:07 mircea_popescu: either an old cached page or too quick post ?

17:24:14 mircea_popescu: tor dun do anything.

17:26:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 21 @ 0.039 = 0.819 BTC [+]

17:27:32 dignork: pLambert, there is a capcha on a page, did you solve it?

17:27:37 surfcapmgmt: !t h COG

17:27:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK:COG] 1D: 0.01700007 / 0.05333935 / 0.08800000 (155 shares, 8.26760000 BTC), 7D: 0.01700007 / 0.05333935 / 0.08800000 (155 shares, 8.26760000 BTC), 30D: 0.00200000 / 0.03290881 / 0.08800000 (1044 shares, 34.35680017 BTC)

17:27:55 pLambert: hmm, didn't see a captcha

17:28:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 14 @ 0.02534213 = 0.3548 BTC [-] {8}

17:29:04 benkay: surfcapmgmt: welcome to -assets.

17:29:32 pLambert: I don't see any captcha, oh well, I guess you will never see my deeply insightful comment :(

17:30:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.0428 = 0.642 BTC [-]

17:31:10 jurov: pLambert: just reload and retry

17:31:36 pLambert: basically, I was saying I look forward to a Hillary/M Obama vs Rand Paul/Justin Amash debate. in many more words

17:31:59 pLambert: reloaded, still don't see any captcha

17:32:38 jurov: i don't remember any captcha, just retrying usually works

17:34:10 the20year2: amash would be a great choice

17:36:41 antephialtic: hahaha. if you think rand paul (if he ever gets nominated, which is unlikely but not entirely impossible) would nominate amash you are deluded.

17:37:07 benkay: clinton + warren?

17:37:41 antephialtic: nah, clinton won't want someone who will make her look conservative in comparison

17:37:42 pLambert: amash will just barely be old enough, born in 1980

17:37:56 mircea_popescu: pLambert there's no captcha tho

17:38:09 pLambert: then why does it think i am inhuman?

17:38:10 mircea_popescu: just try again, but make sure you use a fresh copy of a page, and count to 5 before submitting

17:38:32 pLambert: meh, I am over it now

17:38:32 antephialtic: rand paul's VP would be a safe establishment pick. Something like paul ryan. Maybe even John McCain

17:38:44 mircea_popescu: ;;google fraudsters antispam

17:38:45 gribble: Noiembrie 2010 pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/2010/11; Orice cuplu functional… pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/orice-cuplu-functional; Mai 2009 pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/2009/05

17:38:50 mircea_popescu: meh

17:38:50 pLambert: blech, I hate McCain

17:39:13 antephialtic: hillary would pick a white dude. someone from the midwest or south.

17:39:21 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2013/effectual-spam-filtering-for-wordpress/

17:39:21 ozbot: Effectual spam filtering for WordPress pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

17:39:22 pLambert: I don't think Paul is going to pick a VP who has a record of calling him a "wacko bird"

17:39:27 mircea_popescu: there, it's explained how it works..

17:40:16 antephialtic: well I don't think paul will get nominated so it doesn't matter. I like paul as much as the next guy, but the big money republicans don't like him even if the tea party libertarian set does

17:40:18 mircea_popescu: and the republican vote is going to be split no matter what. the old reps have no actual incentive to submit to the tea party, even if the party ends with them. the tea party has zero incentive to "work through the system"

17:40:26 mircea_popescu: so anyone the democrats propose gets it in 2016.

17:40:46 antephialtic: but: democrats are looking like they might get crushed in the midterms

17:41:01 mircea_popescu: congress and presidency, different things.

17:41:21 mircea_popescu: theres going to be a landslide dem president with a 2/3+ teaparty majority house and senate

17:41:32 mircea_popescu: then congress gets written out of politics and merriment ensues.

17:42:11 antephialtic: yes, but important for future of US. more divided government = more unproductive petty politics, more kicking the big problems down the road, less stability, US bonds get downgraded again, yadda yadda yadda

17:42:38 mircea_popescu: nah, that's how it worked till now.

17:42:54 mircea_popescu: things are going to come to a head tho, much like venezuela's internal debate.

17:43:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.042805 = 0.1712 BTC [+] {2}

17:43:43 mircea_popescu: pLambert see that time it worked.

17:44:11 mircea_popescu: you probably wrote your thing in a notepad then pasted it in and submitted. that's 90% of what makes legitimate folks get called inhuman.

17:44:21 pLambert: hmm, not sure why it didn't work before, I had follwed a link out of the -asset logs, would that affect anything?

17:44:42 pLambert: no notepad, I just typed into the comment field

17:45:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05939442 = 0.1188 BTC [+]

17:45:46 pLambert: The other thing I wanted to mention is when you villify old women, that should be directed at selfish haggy types and not selfless grandmotherly types.

17:47:09 pLambert: but you can probably find a nice dichotomy in any group using selfish/selfless criterion

17:48:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05939442 = 0.1188 BTC [+]

17:48:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.10144642 = 0.2029 BTC [-]

17:49:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0428 = 0.214 BTC [-]

17:50:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 26 @ 0.00602307 = 0.1566 BTC [-] {2}

17:50:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0428 = 0.1284 BTC [-]

18:00:02 mircea_popescu: pLambert odd. nah link shouldn't have affected nuttin

18:01:31 mircea_popescu: btw kakobrekla would you consider changing log link structure from http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2014 to http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/02-Apr-2014/ or something and adding a xml sitemap for google so that it index it all anbd you dont have to implement asearch button ?

18:01:59 mircea_popescu: pLambert not that many grandmothers in politics which was the general context

18:02:22 mircea_popescu: not sure the dichotomy is altruism either.

18:02:55 pLambert: right, your point is correct, people who end up as nice grandmothers spend to much time raising children to rise in politics

18:03:04 mircea_popescu: macbeth, the prototype, is not discussable in those terms for instance

18:03:34 pLambert: macbeth is the prototype of what?

18:03:41 mircea_popescu: the haggly political woman.

18:04:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58999002 BTC [-]

18:04:21 pLambert: I don't follow?

18:04:50 mircea_popescu: you seen the play ?

18:07:08 mike_c: google indexes the logs. i search them all the time

18:07:54 pLambert: yes, I saw MacBeth, but it was a long time ago

18:08:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 59 @ 0.01118777 = 0.6601 BTC [+] {4}

18:08:13 mircea_popescu: so take the lady out sometime, it's still a great play.

18:08:17 mike_c: ;;google site:log.bitcoin-assets.com neobee

18:08:18 gribble: NEXT: 24-02-2014 - #bitcoin-assets log: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2014; NEXT: 21-09-2013 - #bitcoin-assets log: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2013; NEXT: 25-02-2014 - #bitcoin-assets log: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2014

18:08:31 mircea_popescu: fuck me google much progressed. i stand corrected.

18:08:31 pankkake: sitemaps allow for perfect and fast indexing though

18:09:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 18 @ 0.00773887 = 0.1393 BTC [-] {3}

18:09:21 pLambert: Just went out last weekend to see Les Mis, all local talent, was much better singing than the hollywood movie last year.

18:09:51 pankkake: http://i.imgur.com/h5xi9KL.jpg too bad I can't change my avatar

18:09:54 pLambert: anyway, how does MacBeth relate to anything?

18:10:12 mircea_popescu: well how am i going to explain that if you don't know the play ;/

18:10:14 asciilifeform: pankkake: is that... turdmeister?

18:10:18 pankkake: yeah

18:10:33 pLambert: I remember the general plot

18:10:42 mircea_popescu: so tell it to me

18:11:11 truffles: lol

18:11:35 truffles: just post him a google link dood

18:11:52 bounce: what, you're modeling your NWO on shakespeare plays without knowing the plot?

18:12:11 pLambert: iirc, macbeth tries to take over scotland, everybody dies in the end

18:12:14 mircea_popescu: yea, i'm hoping assets makes the cliffnotes for me o.O

18:12:20 mircea_popescu: pLambert well that's not much.

18:12:31 mircea_popescu: "Stop up th? access and passage to remorse,"

18:12:33 mircea_popescu: that stuff.

18:12:48 truffles: he dies thats plenty

18:12:53 Urushiol: any word on HIF dividends / earnings yet? If I understand correctly, it should be more than 3 months' worth.

18:13:05 pLambert: wikipedia "Consumed by ambition and spurred to action by his wife, Macbeth murders King Duncan and takes the throne for himself. He is then wracked with guilt and paranoia, and he soon becomes a tyrannical ruler as he is forced to commit more and more murders to protect himself from enmity and suspicion. The bloodbath and consequent civil war swiftly take Macbeth and Lady Macbeth into the realms of arrogance, madness, and dea

18:13:07 mircea_popescu: Urushiol we're awaiting it with bated breath

18:13:12 *: truffles claps

18:13:16 mike_c: asciilifeform: i believe i've heard you talk about this before, but i can't remember the specifics. If I generated and published say 20,000 adddresses out of a single wallet do you think I am leaking anything that would significantly hurt the security of that wallet?

18:13:18 mircea_popescu: pLambert not the guy. his wife.

18:13:23 pLambert: basically what I said

18:13:33 benkay`: mike_c: what is a wallet?

18:13:37 mircea_popescu: lady macbeth dood, we're discussing women in politics here.

18:13:38 asciilifeform: mike_c: if you do this, you will live or die by your RNG.

18:13:39 pLambert: his wife starts the murders, pushes him into action

18:13:43 mike_c: sorry, a specific set of keys

18:14:01 asciilifeform: mike_c: see the android btc wallet incident.

18:14:15 pLambert: so, she is trying to take scotland for her family, therefore selfish and fit for politics rather than grandmothering, so my point stands

18:14:16 mike_c: i remember that, i'll dig it up. thanks.

18:14:20 asciilifeform: incidentally

18:14:27 asciilifeform: all public-key crypto lives and dies by rng

18:14:33 asciilifeform: not only, as commonly supposed, for key gen

18:14:34 pLambert: HIF guy said report should be out by 10th

18:14:34 mircea_popescu: pLambert or conversely, she is trying to promote her hubby, so selfless and your point fails.

18:14:36 asciilifeform: but for signature nonces

18:14:44 mircea_popescu: kinda what happens when you try to measure things by orthogonal measures.

18:15:14 mircea_popescu: "how thick is a width of a meter ?" "dude dunno, as thick as the wind blowing may make it seem. otherwise, it's wide"

18:15:16 Urushiol: mircea_popescu: what I find particularly surprising is that it wasn't calculated by the community already, given volume is available through the API

18:15:36 mircea_popescu: Urushiol "community" is made out of law specialists not math specialists :D

18:15:42 asciilifeform: and not only signature, but small bits of encryption as well. anyone who doesn't grasp this mustn't wait, but open a textbook and work out what happens if you rsa a small bit of whatever, without padding.

18:15:46 mircea_popescu: ;;google are you the brain specialist

18:15:47 gribble: Monty Python - Gumby Brain Specialist - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M68GeL8PafE; Gumby brain specialist - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrjHKMJTh1w; Monty Python - Brain Surgery - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUMuZY5Bt34

18:16:25 mike_c: bitbet has certainly published a lot of their addresses by now. hopefully they have good RNG!

18:16:27 pLambert: asciilifeform: I don't think you can just take volume, who knows how much they will take out for expenses?

18:16:40 asciilifeform: volume?

18:16:46 asciilifeform: i think i missed something

18:16:50 Urushiol: mircea_popescu: it would require coding specialists mostly, which we have already. just get volume for each fund in that time frame and apply HIF's percentage returns. I haven't finished my Python quite yet, otherwise I would attack it.

18:18:04 Urushiol: pLambert: it will give you a max though

18:18:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13533 @ 0.00096365 = 13.0411 BTC [+] {2}

18:18:20 Urushiol: and take their projected expenses as assumptions

18:18:37 pLambert: yes, right. so what is that amount?

18:19:04 Urushiol: I believe it's in the prospectus, no? It was months ago that I read it last so I can't recall for certain.

18:19:25 pLambert: oops, should have responded to Urushol, not asciilifeform

18:19:40 Urushiol: that's what I thought you meant.

18:20:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.042899 = 0.1716 BTC [+]

18:20:53 mircea_popescu: i think two unrelated convos became cojoined at the hip here

18:21:16 pLambert: isn't that how irc is supposed to work?

18:21:24 Urushiol: purple, I think

18:21:25 Urushiol: :)

18:21:42 truffles: ofc not, chat rooms arent meant to have conversations..

18:22:02 mircea_popescu: irc i dunno, but science often does.

18:26:49 asciilifeform: wtf is a 'coding specialist' - like a programmer, but moar fashion?

18:27:09 asciilifeform: (perhaps i ought to know better than to ask such questions...)

18:27:12 truffles: sounds like some1 that knows all about "coding"

18:27:57 asciilifeform: feels a little like the '90s american fashion of calling janitor 'building engineer'

18:28:07 truffles: no wai

18:28:17 truffles: harsh comparison sir

18:28:37 mircea_popescu: was a hooker called a "slime technician" ?

18:28:51 asciilifeform: i've actually seen people describe employing 'programmers' and 'coders' both

18:29:00 asciilifeform: the latter usually referring to a 'human compiler'

18:29:07 truffles: haha

18:29:16 truffles: machines eh

18:29:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 42 @ 0.0075 = 0.315 BTC [+]

18:29:52 asciilifeform: a human compiler is a kind of wretch, usually overseas, who is nominally paid to turn 'human' language spec into a program.

18:30:21 asciilifeform: the results, for those who have not witnessed this personally, are usually exactly what one would expect.

18:30:38 mircea_popescu: sounds a lot like elance or w/e

18:31:16 asciilifeform: int add1(int x) {if (x == 1) 2 ....

18:32:21 asciilifeform: this is one of those things where i can't help but think that anyone who pays for it - deserves what he gets

18:36:13 truffles: well it seems like lotta nerds with IT degrees appear robotic so

18:36:23 truffles: obv employers get confused :D

18:44:41 kakobrekla: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=555854.0

18:44:42 ozbot: Bitstamp going paranoid about ID verification

18:44:47 kakobrekla: lel, moar of this.

18:45:26 asciilifeform: 'submit a high resolution image of yourself holding your ID' << anyone else reminded of '419 baiting' ?

18:45:28 truffles: bitcoin is like banking now os?

18:45:30 asciilifeform: or, for that matter, arsecoin

18:46:12 mircea_popescu: yeah lol

18:49:38 Namworld: I know about Bitstamp verifications... it's lulzy. They ask for more dox than the government itself or banks.

18:49:46 Namworld: Soon they'll ask for blood samples.

18:51:22 mircea_popescu: there's an excellent point about fraud management made by an actual competent person long ago

18:51:34 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2012/adnotated-words-of-wisdom-on-the-topic-of-online-fraud/

18:51:35 ozbot: Adnotated words of wisdom on the topic of online fraud pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

18:51:54 mircea_popescu: obviously clueless kids left to reproduce irl the emperor of flies circus going on in their head wouldn't know about it.

18:52:00 Namworld: Too much fraud management = zero actual customers, all fraudsters with fake docs?

18:52:21 mircea_popescu: uyp

18:52:42 bounce: "congress gets written out of politics" how?

18:52:44 mircea_popescu: Legitimate Customers

18:52:44 mircea_popescu: You can?t stop all fraud. Some will get through your defenses. Currency exchange profit margins are too narrow to absorb much of it, so you need a healthy legitimate customer base across whom you can distribute those costs. As chargebacks come in, it?s tempting to focus entirely on eliminating fraud. Unfortunately, that focus inconveniences legitimate customers so much that they go elsewhere.

18:52:50 mircea_popescu: bounce presidential order.

18:53:24 bounce: "coding specialist" is someone who knows about "line coding" and such. more or less what the w3c tried (and inevitably failed) to conveniently can with xml

18:53:41 bounce: you know, discering a signal, framing, all that jazz

18:57:15 bounce: presidential order kicking out congress? that's going to be some riot.

18:58:01 mircea_popescu: hardly.

18:58:10 mircea_popescu: congress lost most legislative power already, gradually.

18:58:10 benkay```: most likely it'll start small with some executive order overriding some congressional mandate.

18:58:20 benkay```: wow how'd i get to three tacks

18:58:24 benkay```: internet is wacky today

18:58:29 mircea_popescu: recently they tried to enforce the power of the purse and were made a mockery of for it.

18:58:42 mircea_popescu: not even the point that it failed, their attempt, but congressional dignity proved an empty word.

18:58:52 mircea_popescu: that was a test, it was failed, congress is going away.

18:59:12 mircea_popescu: the only way out was toi have obama hung for the crows to peck at for two months, on capitol hill.

18:59:15 mircea_popescu: admittedly a bar too high.

19:00:02 pLambert: bounce: already the president makes executive orders to do whatever he wants

19:00:27 bounce: not too much on the promises made though

19:00:34 bounce: that deliberate then?

19:01:09 pLambert: promises? you mean the things Obama said he would do, and then didn't do even though he clearly has the authority to do them already?

19:03:33 bounce: I s'pose nobody cared since he got re-elected regardless. oh well.

19:04:36 mircea_popescu: but seriously, i tell you you can't have a new car and you close down the fucking parks in response ?

19:04:44 mircea_popescu: that's it, you can't have electricity anymore either.

19:04:52 mircea_popescu: complete defunding of everything starting right now.

19:05:31 mircea_popescu: no secret service, no airforce one, no white house. go check into an 8ball motel.

19:05:42 mircea_popescu: think it through.

19:06:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00096371 = 7.7097 BTC [+]

19:06:56 *: bounce apparently (well, generally ignoring the drama over there) haven't kept up enough to see that

19:07:13 bounce: s/ven/sn/

19:09:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3680 @ 0.00016748 = 0.6163 BTC [+] {3}

19:09:13 mircea_popescu: o yeah, which reminds me, how is ven, the revolutionary currency of the internet nefario discovered somewhere ?

19:11:38 kakobrekla: http://www.cryptocoincharts.info/v2/pair/ven/eur/kraken/10-days

19:11:39 ozbot: VEN / EUR (VEN/EUR) price chart, 10-days, Kraken

19:12:47 Namworld: Ah yes, this point about too much security/regulation is excellent.

19:13:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0421 = 0.2526 BTC [-]

19:13:37 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla aha! i wish i remembered what it was supposed to be trading for back in 2012

19:14:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 110 @ 0.00386208 = 0.4248 BTC [-] {7}

19:14:58 dexx: Apocalyptic: what's up with bitcoinstrings.com?

19:15:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0594 = 0.1782 BTC [+]

19:15:23 kakobrekla: kraken will trade you dead grandmother if the logo is nice.

19:15:25 Apocalyptic: dexx, why would I know ?

19:15:52 dexx: isn't this your website? and nvm: it's back up for me now

19:16:06 Apocalyptic: it's not

19:16:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.041899 = 0.6285 BTC [-]

19:16:57 mircea_popescu: "Out, out, brief candle! Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player that struts and frets his hour upon the stage and then is heard no more. It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury signifying nothing."

19:17:00 mircea_popescu: ah the guy's so good.

19:17:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0416 = 0.2496 BTC [-] {2}

19:18:47 Duffer1: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=506332.0

19:18:48 ozbot: [WTS] 1981 DeLorean DMC-12

19:21:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14650 @ 0.00096129 = 14.0829 BTC [-]

19:22:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0594 = 0.1188 BTC [+]

19:22:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16700 @ 0.0009616 = 16.0587 BTC [+]

19:28:11 pLambert: "Rejection reason: If you're going to play the cool internet cat, go get some BTC, then submit your retardation with paid wager." How much do you need to bet to get a bitbet accepted?

19:28:29 nubbins`: depends

19:28:36 nubbins`: what was your bet?

19:29:29 benkay```: Mircea Popescu will be arrested and extradited to the US in 2014

19:29:30 benkay```: Rejection reason: If you're going to play the cool internet cat, go get some BTC, then submit your retardation with paid wager.

19:29:31 pankkake: ahah http://bitbet.us/propositions/

19:29:39 benkay```: ^^ nubbins`

19:29:40 pankkake: first time I see such rejection

19:30:29 pankkake: I like this bet

19:30:32 nubbins`: heh

19:31:50 nubbins`: pLambert "Consider submitting with substantial paid wager" is a common rejection reason. not sure if there's a cut-and-dry minimum, but i've seen bets with 0.0x btc on either side

19:32:12 pLambert: I thought the guys at bitcointalk who are so sure MP is going to get dragged across the ocean would like to put some money on it?

19:32:26 TomServo: haha, Pussy Riot publicly beaten on video by July 25, 2014

19:32:30 TomServo: Didn't that actually happen?

19:32:49 pLambert: I don't think they allow bets about people getting hurt or killed?

19:33:20 nubbins`: TomServo yes

19:33:36 nubbins`: bunch of cossacks whipped them with knotted ropes

19:33:54 nubbins`: pLambert ah, too true

19:33:58 pankkake: yeah but the tough bitcointalk guys don't bet

19:34:04 mircea_popescu: pLambert bitbet charges 1% of the pool, and puts .1 btc on the new bets.

19:34:07 nubbins`: someone could just put 100btc on yes and then fly to russia and beat the shit out of them

19:34:26 mircea_popescu: thus if submitter places a 10btc bet he is in effect going "i'm not tryin' to mooch ya"

19:35:14 mircea_popescu: and there was some derpage about s.mpoe falling on the forum if i recall

19:35:26 mircea_popescu: turned out the guy's budget was maybe .1 or something like that.

19:35:27 nubbins`: pLambert: also, the btctalk crowd who would love to see MP extradited also probably would never send a single satoshi to bitbet, purely on principle

19:35:44 mircea_popescu: nubbins` yeah, it'd totally be the principle :p

19:35:54 nubbins`: i'm being diplomatic ;D

19:36:17 mircea_popescu: reminds me of the principled 20somethings that are on a diet

19:36:26 mircea_popescu: the incidental that they can't afford food anyway notwithstanding

19:36:30 nubbins`: heh.

19:36:30 mircea_popescu: tis a matter of principle.

19:36:33 pankkake: it's not that they don't have the funds, I've offered very small bets. it's that they don't even believe themselves

19:36:45 pLambert: but it might be useful to bet on yes, cause who knows what will happen to mpex investments if mp gets arrested, sort of a hedge?

19:37:48 mircea_popescu: "mp arrested for the crime of being mean to forum dwellers and bureaucrats"

19:37:54 mircea_popescu: sounds like a ton of publicity.

19:38:22 nubbins`: pLambert expound plz

19:39:02 mircea_popescu: while he does i wanna pontificate on the following theme :

19:39:27 pLambert: well, say you have some shares of s.mpoe. If mp gets arrested, their price will go down, I think. so if you bet that mp will get arrested, it will offset the loss from your shares?

19:39:53 mircea_popescu: since about the 90s or so, basic us education has been filtering quite perversely : you get an a or a+ for succeeding at the task, usually an a or rarely a b "for effort" by delivering a credible simulacra of having tried, and an f or rarely a c for actually trying and failing.

19:39:55 nubbins`: well you're making some assumptions there

19:40:00 nubbins`: namely that bitbet would continue to function

19:40:12 mircea_popescu: this has resulted in a generationful of people who can do nothing but and nothing other than "convincingly" trying.

19:40:39 pLambert: heh, good point. I assume it will function without mp?

19:40:42 nubbins`: mircea_popescu the true horror of this situation won't be realized for another few decades

19:40:55 mircea_popescu: pLambert if one then why not the other as well ?

19:41:03 nubbins`: ^

19:41:14 nubbins`: conversely, if not mpoe, why not bitbet?

19:41:14 pLambert: failling and shares dropping are not exactly the same

19:41:18 mircea_popescu: nubbins` indeed. i routinely meet 20somethings who have not actually tried ANYTHING the past decade.

19:41:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0607 = 0.3642 BTC [-]

19:41:45 nubbins`: mircea_popescu trying things isn't required. i have a CS degree even though i only made two working programs during the course of my degree

19:42:00 nubbins`: had to teach myself, essentially from scratch

19:42:10 pankkake: two *working* programs? that's better than most

19:42:23 mircea_popescu: so in this sense, as far as the forum is concerned, having made that bet proposition is good enough.

19:42:34 mircea_popescu: even if the world laughs at them, they've... tried.

19:42:39 jborkl: mircea, to go along with your point - I send my kids to private school 6 and 4 years old. The 6 year old can do algebra, multiplication, read, write and knows some of the periodic table < public school peers are very far behind

19:42:53 mircea_popescu: i believe you.

19:42:56 mircea_popescu: where's this ?

19:42:56 nubbins`: all childs left behind

19:43:13 mircea_popescu: nubbins` exactly like venezuela, you knoiw ? "we've reduced inequality, everyone has the same amt of toilet paper now"

19:43:22 nubbins`: pLambert: so mp gets rendered, bitbet.us shows a DoJ logo. what now?

19:43:23 jborkl: Texas, the state has a robin hood theory

19:43:48 jborkl: to take from wealthy districts to prop up the poor

19:43:49 nubbins`: mircea_popescu "if you don't have enough toilet paper feel free to use the barrel of this rifle"

19:43:51 mircea_popescu: bitbet2.us pops up.

19:44:25 nubbins`: mircea_popescu stop stealing answers ;(

19:44:35 mircea_popescu: lmao!

19:44:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.06059002 = 1.2118 BTC [-] {2}

19:44:48 nubbins`: tbh seizing domains is such a non-problem

19:44:49 mircea_popescu: no but this is the beauty of it. bitbet is... well... public.

19:44:54 mircea_popescu: there's nothing to steal.

19:45:04 nubbins`: i mean, look at the pirate bay. most reviled website in history

19:45:08 mircea_popescu: redirect it all you want, tomorrow any one of you can host it just as well.

19:45:23 nubbins`: still standing 11 years later

19:46:07 pankkake: http://thepiratebay.se/legal

19:46:16 nubbins`: ^^^

19:46:37 bounce: it is a problem if, say, kansas or ohio judges order domains seized from overseas companies that do things perfectly legal there

19:46:38 mircea_popescu: did they updarte it ?

19:46:44 mircea_popescu: i recall that page was hilarious a decade ago

19:47:09 pankkake: I don't think there's new stuff

19:47:14 nubbins`: bounce: it's a .us domain, they can do what they want with it :P

19:47:22 pankkake: TPB isn't such a high profile target anymore too

19:47:27 nubbins`: that said, who cares what TLD is used

19:47:43 bounce: (relatedly, peeps getting into a right tizzy for having their .ly domains rescinded because they're clearly against the local customs in .ly)

19:47:43 nubbins`: pankkake mostly because they realized they were trying to box the wind

19:47:58 nubbins`: doesn't quite matter how good your left hook is, y'know?

19:48:12 mircea_popescu: pankkake what's strangest to my eyes, really, is that in 2004 the attitude of piratebay was directly obvious to the average net denizen.

19:48:14 nubbins`: ;;google .ly tld

19:48:15 gribble: .ly - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.ly; NIC.LY - Libya ccTLD...: http://www.nic.ly/; ly Domains - International Domain Registration: http://www.101domain.com/ly.htm

19:48:16 bounce: 'twas .com and .net, IIRC. those aren't supposed to be ".us", it was just that the registrar is conveniently a us company

19:48:19 nubbins`: libya!

19:48:22 mircea_popescu: today, the attitude of tardstalk is quite the opposite

19:48:41 mircea_popescu: what a coupla bad us presidents do to the world.

19:48:53 pankkake: maybe money is the root of all evil

19:49:01 mircea_popescu: either that or lazy stupidity.

19:49:03 nubbins`: nah

19:49:10 nubbins`: the root of money is the root of all evil

19:49:42 bounce: what's that say about the bunch that breathe the "follow the money" mantra and came up with AML?

19:49:44 nubbins`: might as well take it to brass tacks

19:50:33 Mats_cd03: my dong is the root of all evil

19:50:48 truffles: parasites arent that lazi for sure

19:50:52 nubbins`: Mats_cd03 is that because it's the size of a stack of dimes?

19:50:54 pankkake: nubbins`: yes, this as been tpb's strategy too: it DECENTRALIZED itself!!!

19:50:55 *: nubbins` cackles

19:51:08 nubbins`: ;;google jumpin jesus tonight

19:51:08 gribble: 'Jumping Jesus' snowbound video prompts worldwide laughs ... - CBC: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/jumping-jesus-snowbound-video-prompts-worldwide-laughs-1.2596691; Canadian has a typical 'Irish mammy' reaction to her son getting ...: http://www.dailyedge.ie/man-stuck-in-snow-irish-mammy-response-1394349-Apr2014/; 'Jumping Jesus' snowbound video prompts (1 more message)

19:51:09 Mats_cd03: its also the same thickness

19:51:16 nubbins`: ^ apparently this has caused quite the international stir

19:51:47 nubbins`: if you wanna hear a thick newfoundland accent, that's as good a place as any to start

19:54:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 106 @ 0.00556115 = 0.5895 BTC [-] {3}

19:54:56 nubbins`: MUDDER I'M STUCK

19:55:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31274 @ 0.00096001 = 30.0234 BTC [-] {2}

19:56:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45426 @ 0.00095819 = 43.5267 BTC [-] {2}

19:58:26 truffles: ^^ best quit message 3>

19:58:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0599 = 0.1797 BTC [+]

20:01:35 nubbins`: ehhh

20:01:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 23 @ 0.00562121 = 0.1293 BTC [+] {3}

20:02:00 nubbins`: not even a good one-off quip

20:02:09 nubbins`: let alone something that gets cummed out every time you quit irc

20:03:27 Mats_cd03: ur so dirty

20:05:33 nubbins`: imagine the unfiltered version

20:13:49 Duffer1: Mircea Popescu i believe a Clinton/Warren ticket would be far more likely

20:14:11 Duffer1: er mircea_popescu ^

20:17:43 mircea_popescu: jack warrem ? which warren ?

20:17:53 Duffer1: elizabeth

20:18:10 mircea_popescu: a hm

20:20:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8350 @ 0.0009616 = 8.0294 BTC [+]

20:21:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.10144642 = 0.5072 BTC [-]

20:24:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0599 = 0.1198 BTC [+]

20:27:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0599999 = 0.18 BTC [+]

20:28:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0599999 = 0.3 BTC [+]

20:35:02 Mats_cd03: lol

20:35:21 Mats_cd03: it would amuse me to see that

20:35:46 Mats_cd03: but unlikely

20:38:43 dexx: https://github.com/sipa/bips/blob/e04e99c315dd4067e267b62f84c9eeffeeccf94e/bip-0042.mediawiki#details unlimited bitcoin for everyone ;) (fixed btw now)

20:40:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06050004 = 0.121 BTC [-]

20:43:38 nubbins`: heh, good find

20:48:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.60799998 = 1.216 BTC [+]

20:49:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.608099 = 2.4324 BTC [+]

20:50:15 Namworld: http://i.imgur.com/3e2khf9.jpg

20:51:44 dexx: ^ kinda disturbing

20:52:12 Namworld: Yes. But hilarious.

20:53:04 truffles: awww

20:53:38 truffles: at least my pet wouldnt try that with something that small

20:53:49 truffles: plastic bags for sure though

21:02:02 CheckDavid: :(

21:02:12 CheckDavid: That's abuse

21:02:29 kakobrekla: lelzy

21:02:29 kakobrekla: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=555881.0

21:02:31 ozbot: I'm done with Bitcoin Securities...

21:04:15 danielpbarron: lol, there is too regulation; individuals are just so desperate to get-rich-quick that they overlook obvious scams in a rush to beat everyone else into the early adopter position

21:04:28 mike_c: of course now neo was an "easily identifiable scam"

21:05:04 kakobrekla: yes naturally.

21:05:10 dexx: inb4: "it's not a scam but a failed business"

21:05:35 danielpbarron: it's hard to tell the difference; might as well be the same thing

21:06:05 pankkake: "Until we have decentralized exchanges with open source software"

21:06:18 pankkake: can we have decentralized scam victims already so this stops

21:06:48 dexx: well, decentralized exchanges reduce the risk of a scamming exchange, but that's all

21:06:55 danielpbarron: i think there will be a resurgence of scams once the decentralized exchanges go totally live

21:07:14 pankkake: yes, that's all. interestingly, cryptostocks… is still here

21:08:23 danielpbarron: "The SEC is investigating all of the above" <--- not ready for Bitcoin; go home

21:09:09 truffles: i am home bro

21:09:44 dexx: maybe it would be more accurate to say "we need decentralized companies to end the scams"

21:09:55 danielpbarron: "bitcoin mining is also a scam" lolol... that's a pretty broad statement

21:10:25 danielpbarron: if you decentralize it far enough, might as well all keep our own money and not invest

21:10:43 danielpbarron: I mean that's the logical extreme and it completely defeats the purpose of investing

21:11:39 dexx: what's the relation between decentralization and keeping the money?

21:15:27 dexx: what i meant was something like.. say there are 10 people each with 100 btc each.. all coins are sent to a 5-of-10 multisig address. with >= 50 % consensus a business decision is sealed. << for the sake of an example

21:16:47 danielpbarron: hmm

21:17:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.608099 BTC [+]

21:17:23 mgio_: mining is not excatly a scam, but roughly 3/4s of the companies selling hardware have ben shown to not be reputable

21:17:41 danielpbarron: what ever happened to BFL?

21:17:47 danielpbarron: i see they are still selling pre-orders

21:18:02 mgio_: very few people have done better mining when measured by bitcoins in, bitcoisn out

21:18:24 dexx: if i may ask: why did the sec call you?

21:18:35 dexx: you in particular

21:18:51 dexx: and fyi: they called korbman out of the blue, too

21:18:54 the20year2: who was called by the SEC?

21:19:12 dexx: mgio_ according to his post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=555881.msg6057442#msg6057442

21:19:40 mgio_: They called to talk about bitfunder and weexchange

21:19:47 the20year2: Interesting

21:20:07 danielpbarron: ew

21:20:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14600 @ 0.00096371 = 14.0702 BTC [+]

21:20:14 dexx: nono.. i mean, do you have any idea why they choose you? and when was that?

21:20:20 danielpbarron: I wouldn't talk to them

21:20:25 mgio_: They called back in November

21:20:29 the20year2: And here I am, chugging along buying houses with bitcoin

21:20:30 mgio_: and then I talked to them again recently

21:20:56 mgio_: they chose me cause I posted on the forums and was easy to track down, I assume

21:21:03 danielpbarron: i think the two most valuable investments in Bitcoin are bitcoins and knowledge/networking

21:21:07 dexx: ah

21:21:26 dexx: how can i invest in knowledge? ;)

21:21:34 danielpbarron: read about all the scams

21:21:36 mgio_: they wouldn't give me much information other than there was an ongoing investigation

21:21:41 danielpbarron: without participating in any of them

21:22:10 danielpbarron: most of the bitcoiners have no idea how money works on these scales

21:22:29 mgio_: i really expected more from neo & bee.

21:22:39 danielpbarron: haphazerdly slapping terrible business plans together and actually finding investors

21:23:06 dexx: mgio_: i didn't expect it either

21:23:29 danielpbarron: you could spend a solid week just reading all the forum posts about all the scams, although I particularly like mircea_popescu's writing on the subject

21:24:44 mgio_: im shocked that people still invest at all anymore. if you couldn't trust the exchange with your money (bitfunder) then how could you trust any of the securities it was peddling?

21:25:05 the20year2: I'm curious of that too

21:25:16 danielpbarron: there are still places to invest bitcoin that aren't scams.. they just aren't begging for investors

21:25:25 mgio_: like what?

21:25:32 danielpbarron: heh

21:25:41 danielpbarron: idk do your own research on it

21:25:51 mgio_: well, i'll all done with it for now

21:25:51 danielpbarron: stop following whatever the trend-of-the-week is

21:26:12 mgio_: i invested in neo&bee when it was first announced, i used my xbond shares

21:26:18 danielpbarron: if you follow the crowd, you'll usually end up buying after the pump and selling after the dump

21:26:22 mgio_: i realized it was a long term investment

21:27:47 dexx: is it a confirmed scam now?

21:28:02 dexx: well, i guess insolvency implies that

21:28:14 danielpbarron: i read one this morning about a noob who didn't realize he was shorting bitcoin.... right before the price spike......

21:29:00 mgio_: Neo & bee wasn't necessarily, but they aren't too very well right now

21:29:26 mgio_: they must have been very mismanaged to suddenly run out of money without warning

21:29:30 the20year2: I want to know why they had money in gox

21:29:35 mgio_: they didn't

21:29:41 mgio_: the CEO had some personal funds there

21:29:41 the20year2: Danny said he did

21:29:47 mgio_: yes, his own coins

21:29:50 the20year2: and that he was covering the exchange with his own personal coins

21:30:07 danielpbarron: SCAM

21:30:08 mgio_: Neo lost money from bitfunder/weexchange

21:30:10 danielpbarron: i've heard that story

21:30:28 *: truffles wonders if this is how rumors start

21:30:28 mgio_: thats a whole different story, where did that money go?

21:30:36 dexx: very good question

21:30:40 the20year2: I'm curious too

21:30:41 mgio_: who knows, ukyo will never tell us :)

21:30:49 Duffer1: indeed

21:30:52 mgio_: and won't even tell us why he won't tell us

21:30:56 the20year2: We've already published our expense spreadsheet to investors, i'm curious how many other bitcoin companies do that too

21:31:12 truffles: feds took everything ldo

21:31:17 danielpbarron: as many legit ones as there are

21:33:19 danielpbarron: maybe a lot of these scams will go away when nLockTime and multisig addresses go mainstream

21:33:27 mgio_: people are begging me to delete that thread. As if i could harm Neo&Bee any more :(

21:33:49 danielpbarron: there is no excuse for not keeping your funds under your own control

21:34:47 dexx: danielpbarron: these things and clever stuff is out since at least 2012

21:35:10 danielpbarron: yeah but they haven't been implemented in many wallet programs yet

21:35:17 dexx: yes

21:35:19 danielpbarron: i know greenaddress.it uses nLockTime

21:35:46 dexx: https://api.trustedcoin.com//#/ + https://www.bitgo.com/

21:35:47 ozbot: Trusted Coin

21:35:48 mgio_: I guess there is a slim chance i'll see some money from ukyo.loan...a slim chance neo&bee will get it's act together...

21:36:10 dexx: i hope it didn't break you, mgio_

21:36:14 Duffer1: are you part of the labcoin action mgio?

21:36:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3050 @ 0.00096311 = 2.9375 BTC [-]

21:39:24 jurov: mgio_ you forgot mtgox

21:39:25 mircea_popescu: ok that one is epic Namworld

21:39:39 mgio_: yes, I am Duffer1, but I never got around to sending in all my information

21:39:42 mgio_: I hope its not too late

21:39:53 mircea_popescu: <mike_c> of course now neo was an "easily identifiable scam" << butofcourse :D

21:40:12 mircea_popescu: <pankkake> can we have decentralized scam victims already so this stops << ahahaha best log of the week today

21:40:33 Duffer1: mgio_ talk to virtuals on irc or virtualspade on bitcointalk.org he's handling all that

21:40:46 mircea_popescu: o hai mgio_

21:41:07 mircea_popescu: had you started reading here instead of derping on the "investor" forum you'd be a millionaire today.

21:41:09 mircea_popescu: just think!

21:41:42 mgio_: don't get me wrong, i've still done very very well off of bitcoin (and some securities)

21:41:52 mgio_: it just seems to all gone to sh*t recently

21:42:04 mircea_popescu: not moreso than per usual.

21:42:45 mgio_: i should have been content to just let my coins sit in my wallet

21:42:48 mircea_popescu: <dexx> how can i invest in knowledge? ;) << fraudsters credits :D

21:42:56 mircea_popescu: i think you already have those tho, so all invested.

21:42:57 dexx: haha true

21:43:20 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron don't forget the part where they fight EVIL FUDSTERS and my socks.

21:43:22 dexx: yes, i have a few :)

21:43:25 danielpbarron: yeah i bought some credits; that's a really cool system

21:45:20 mircea_popescu: "And the more you scam, the more fanboys you get - it's not that there is no incentive to be honest, it's that there is an incentive to be dishonest." methinks pankkake has it.

21:45:40 mircea_popescu: the way scammers work these days, they steal a little from a lot of muppets then give them a little of it back in exchange for forum shilling

21:45:40 pankkake: I need to be banned

21:45:45 mircea_popescu: apparently works wunderbar

21:45:47 pankkake: I will never stop otherwise

21:46:27 mircea_popescu: mgio_ there is recourse re the miner stuff. just, you didn't bother reading about it.

21:46:41 mircea_popescu: theory is here : http://fraudsters.com/2013/the-positive-market-effects-of-the-delivery-bet/

21:46:41 danielpbarron: a lot of the bitcoin media networks are helping promote the scammers; like letstalkbitcoin, they were giving coverage to AuroraCoin recently... that's woefully irresponsible of them

21:46:59 mircea_popescu: the practice is here : http://bitbet.us/bet/450/bitfurys-asic-will-work-with-power-1/

21:47:13 mircea_popescu: and http://bitbet.us/bet/7/bfl-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-march-1st/ and etc.

21:47:20 jurov: danielpbarron: because it's the same people

21:47:30 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron letstalkbitcoin are a buncha clueless kids.

21:47:39 danielpbarron: well they are a major gateway

21:47:41 mircea_popescu: max keiser & stacy herbert were doing the same thing, which is a lot worse.

21:47:45 mircea_popescu: major my foot.

21:48:30 danielpbarron: well you can get their news on iTunes; that's a huge market

21:48:38 danielpbarron: most individuals don't know what IRC is

21:48:45 mircea_popescu: most individuals aren't a "market".

21:49:11 jurov: i'm curious why the effects apply only on mining hardware

21:49:28 jurov: i was running on cardano bet and nobody came

21:49:52 mike_c: exactly :) the provider wasn't confident.

21:50:11 mgio_: what would you guys do if you were me, re ukyo.loan?

21:50:12 dexx: cardano.. the gpg thingy which was scheduled for xmas 2013? <.<"

21:50:16 mike_c: plus, no money was lost by pre-orderers when cardano slipped

21:50:22 jurov: maybe it was xmas 2014?

21:50:32 dexx: hehe

21:50:51 mircea_popescu: <mike_c> plus, no money was lost by pre-orderers when cardano slipped << prolly th bigger factor. not much to hedge.

21:51:17 jurov: should have made bet on trezor instead

21:51:31 jurov: now it's too late

21:51:39 mike_c: even still. with miners the pre-orderers are actually losing money every day it is late.

21:51:45 mircea_popescu: lmao wait, ognasty thinks neo was an "easily spottable" scam ?

21:51:48 mircea_popescu: bwahaha save me mary.

21:52:16 dexx: he probably generalized

21:52:23 dexx: scam = labcoin = neo

21:52:32 mircea_popescu: dude is running a scam.

21:52:46 dexx: oh?

21:52:49 mircea_popescu: spotted like... a year ago or so.

21:53:21 dexx: ;;google ognasty fraudsters

21:53:21 gribble: No matches found.

21:53:50 mircea_popescu: well i didn't fraudsters each and every single one of them

21:54:03 mircea_popescu: ;;google site:log.bitcoin-assets.com ognasty scam

21:54:04 gribble: NEXT: 23-01-2014 - #bitcoin-assets log: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2014&bots=true; NEXT: 08-02-2014 - #bitcoin-assets log: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-02-2014; NEXT: 30-08-2013 - #bitcoin-assets log: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-08-2013

21:54:58 mircea_popescu: nothing much there either.

21:56:21 mgio_: so wiat, we are all just a bunch of scammers scamming each other?

21:56:36 mircea_popescu: who's "we" ?

21:56:45 mgio_: all of us (i was kidding)

21:56:58 mike_c: if we == forum_users: print "yes"

21:57:04 mgio_: everyone who posts on the forums has some kind of hidden motivation

21:57:05 mgio_: yes

21:57:23 mircea_popescu: prolly.

21:57:41 mircea_popescu: well there were a few silly people still posting there without trying to scam, but they';re quickly disappearing

21:59:15 nubbins`: fuck this, i'm getting drunk and listening to blood on the tracks

21:59:32 mircea_popescu: meanwhile somewhere else, http://37.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3i9zhVhP51qzn5vfo1_1280.jpg

22:00:06 dexx: hehe looks like no one noticed

22:00:49 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

22:01:00 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 446.0, Best ask: 448.0, Bid-ask spread: 2.00000, Last trade: 446.0, 24 hour volume: 27538.79141599, 24 hour low: 416.11, 24 hour high: 465.0, 24 hour vwap: 0

22:01:00 mgio_: has everyone tried the bitcoin simulator? http://www.beepboopbitcoin.com

22:01:06 mgio_: its really pretty accurate

22:03:09 mircea_popescu: mgio_ never seen that before. who made it ?

22:03:22 mgio_: i dunno, someone posted it on my facebook wall yesterday

22:03:30 mgio_: its hilarious, play all the way through

22:04:40 dexx: http://www.beepboopbitcoin.com/about.html

22:04:41 ozbot: Advanced Bitcoin Simulator

22:04:50 mircea_popescu: Your account has a balance of 783.06 USD.

22:04:56 mircea_popescu: im liek getting rich over here.

22:05:32 nubbins`: quick, cash out

22:05:44 mircea_popescu: Dear tacoX Customers,

22:05:44 mircea_popescu: In the event of recent news reports and the potential repercussions on tacoX's operations and the market, a decision was taken to shut down and keep all your money. We will be closely monitoring the situation and will react accordingly.

22:05:51 mircea_popescu: lol i had like 50 btc out of the 1 i had originally made.

22:05:51 dexx: lol

22:06:18 bounce: before that it says "withdrawals will take up to 22 months"

22:06:18 mircea_popescu: Accomplished:

22:06:18 mircea_popescu: Anonymous Cryptocurrency

22:06:18 mircea_popescu: Gave sensitive personal information to someone you don't know

22:06:18 mircea_popescu: Twenty-One Links Of Blockchain Around My Leg

22:06:18 mircea_popescu: Went into debt

22:06:19 mircea_popescu: No Transaction Fees!

22:06:21 mircea_popescu: Paid a transaction fee

22:06:22 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the light bulbs! you blew these yourself?

22:06:23 mircea_popescu: A Bear Called The End

22:06:25 mircea_popescu: Bought a bitcoin with U.S. dollars

22:06:27 mircea_popescu: Security And Control Over Your Money

22:06:29 mircea_popescu: Had your bitcoins disappear without a trace

22:06:37 mircea_popescu: You have 0.00 bitcoins.

22:06:37 mircea_popescu: You have lost a net 24.24 fiat dollars.

22:06:40 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes.

22:06:49 asciilifeform: neato

22:06:56 mgio_: it gets worse, try some of the investments and buy an asicminer

22:07:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24000 @ 0.00095839 = 23.0014 BTC [-]

22:07:07 mircea_popescu: Not Yet Accomplished:

22:07:07 mircea_popescu: Captain of Industry

22:07:07 mircea_popescu: Create your own financial empire

22:07:07 mircea_popescu: I Am The One Percent

22:07:07 mircea_popescu: Make a million U.S. dollars

22:07:07 mircea_popescu: Pillar Of The Community

22:07:09 mircea_popescu: Make a positive contribution to society

22:07:18 mircea_popescu: lol i accomplished all those, but hey. i guess im not the demo

22:08:11 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wait a second. what do you mean by "blew" ?

22:08:13 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ever make valves?

22:08:17 asciilifeform: blew - as in, glass

22:08:26 mircea_popescu: o holy hell no

22:09:12 asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gl-QMuUQhVM

22:09:12 ozbot: hand making vacuum tubes Part 1 - YouTube

22:09:51 mircea_popescu: well sure, im notdisputing it can be done

22:10:38 asciilifeform: the hard vacuum is the... hard part.

22:10:59 asciilifeform: if embarking on this, get an ion diffusion 2nd stage pump from a university surplus. $100 or so where i live.

22:12:32 nubbins`: so i'm googling the name of a zine, i get "a whale" typed in, and autosuggest says "adopt a whale and kill it"

22:12:33 nubbins`: ;(

22:12:56 mircea_popescu: must be right.

22:13:13 nubbins`: nod

22:13:21 mike_c: i don't get that. must be a personalized result

22:13:27 mircea_popescu: :D

22:13:50 mircea_popescu: do you perchance get "marry a whale and help her lose weight" ?

22:13:55 jurov: how did they make hard vacuum in 1920s?

22:14:04 mike_c: whoa, spot on!

22:14:06 nubbins`: haha

22:14:12 asciilifeform: jurov: something like edison's mercury pump, i believe.

22:14:15 nubbins`: jurov they did it in outer space

22:14:17 nubbins`: wait

22:14:59 asciilifeform: the '20s were not 'stone age.' they had most of what we have now, roughly.

22:15:00 mike_c: (obligatory note to my wife - just kidding!)

22:15:04 asciilifeform: (yes, incl. semiconductors)

22:15:26 asciilifeform: 99% of the maths anybody uses now, too.

22:16:08 danielpbarron: i'm not nearly as good at beepboopbitcoin as I am at real Bitcoin

22:16:09 jurov: asciilifeform: you read the link i posted few days ago?

22:16:18 asciilifeform: jurov: which one?

22:16:30 jurov: that they etched vacuum-tube-like transistors in silicon

22:16:42 asciilifeform: grantmanship.

22:16:47 danielpbarron: I think i'm really fortunate that I didn't start reading bitcointalk until very recently; i've been completely in the dark about all these potential ways to throw my money away

22:16:51 jurov: and cuz they are so small, don't actually need vacuum

22:17:08 bounce: I read they did that uhm 10+ years back already. difference here seemed to be they managed to make it a lot smaller again.

22:17:15 bounce: different uni then though

22:17:26 jurov: whats' grantmanship? uni vaporware?

22:17:45 mircea_popescu: just about

22:17:56 mircea_popescu: btw jurov people keep asking me if that paper is for real :D

22:17:57 asciilifeform: ;;google nuvistor

22:17:58 gribble: Nuvistor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuvistor; The Nuvistor - The Valve Page: http://www.thevalvepage.com/valvetek/Nuvistor/nuvistor.htm; Nuvistor: Parts & Tubes | eBay: http://www.ebay.com/bhp/nuvistor

22:17:59 asciilifeform: existed.

22:17:59 mircea_popescu: you'll be famous.

22:18:37 asciilifeform: this was actually a serious leap in vacuum tube tech - they didn't need to be pumped, or made of glass

22:18:50 asciilifeform: so the early transistor, for a while, could not compete on price.

22:23:38 mircea_popescu: soo apparently teh sa crowd hangs out on mibbit. http://client00.chat.mibbit.com/?server=irc.synirc.net&channel=%23buttcoin

22:26:10 pankkake: mibbit is just a horrible web irc client

22:28:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 9 @ 0.07801213 = 0.7021 BTC [-] {5}

22:29:43 mgio_: I just read your article on bitbet to leverage mining delays, very interesting stuff

22:31:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 105 @ 0.00399993 = 0.42 BTC [-]

22:33:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 100 @ 0.004 = 0.4 BTC [+]

22:36:19 turbo_ac100: mike_c: warm fuzzy feeling :)

22:39:43 chatquack: shhh shhhh shhhhhh, it's all going to be ok.

22:40:06 *: chatquack wants attention.

22:40:52 chatquack: Who want's to drink and quote frank zappa with me?

22:41:12 *: turbo_ac100 drinkin', no zappa though

22:41:18 chatquack: ~Well, go on and get it over with it then~

22:41:28 chatquack: Well, that's good enough!

22:41:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 18 @ 0.00812996 = 0.1463 BTC [+] {3}

22:41:42 *: chatquack shakes turbo_ac100's hand and hands him a beer.

22:42:28 *: turbo_ac100 is listening to hands on experiences about compulsory auctions. Sent from his iPhone.

22:43:22 chatquack: woah. /me checks it our\

22:43:27 chatquack: out**

22:43:39 *: turbo_ac100 frequently lies about his phone though.

22:44:08 chatquack: All I found was a True Blood playlist.

22:44:20 chatquack: Snookie does something or other.

22:44:38 *: chatquack doesn't have a phone

22:44:52 chatquack: I smashed my 4s and it felt good/bad

22:45:09 chatquack: ~There are three things that smell like fish~

22:45:42 turbo_ac100: Cleaning your tin foil hat will get rid of the bad feelings fo shizzle!

22:45:48 chatquack: ~One of them is "fish"~

22:46:03 chatquack: ~The other two... are growing on youuuuuuuu~

22:46:22 chatquack: I know right?!? Gotta change the foil out.

22:46:53 *: chatquack shakes the pizza greese off

22:47:25 chatquack: So, I've got to move out by the end of this month... I'm freaking out.

22:47:46 chatquack: Thinking about just buring the place down, so I don't have to pack boxes.

22:48:08 turbo_ac100: mid-term solution! I like it!

22:50:05 chatquack: hehe yes.

22:50:32 chatquack: I really like my land lord though. She's a sweety.

22:50:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7950 @ 0.00095945 = 7.6276 BTC [+]

22:51:10 chatquack: But my love for burning things to the ground is very strong.

22:51:38 turbo_ac100: Listen to your heart!

22:52:35 chatquack: hehehehehheheh

22:52:47 chatquack: Fuck it, we're burning it down.

22:53:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.06 = 0.6 BTC [+] {2}

22:53:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.04239 = 0.3815 BTC [-]

22:53:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 9 @ 0.10144642 = 0.913 BTC [-]

22:53:54 chatquack: Oh shit. Dave Matthews band is playing.

22:54:12 chatquack: I'm totally burning this place down. *love dave tho*

22:54:43 chatquack: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gXuYFih6Y8

22:54:44 ozbot: Dave Matthews Band - What Would You Say - YouTube

22:55:01 chatquack: I'd say, "Fuck it!".

22:55:55 chatquack: ~MOM, IT'S MY BIRTHDAY~

22:56:11 *: chatquack starts dancing with a torch

22:56:54 Duffer1: ha

22:58:42 chatquack: ~knock knock on the door, who's it for?~ BURRRRRRRNNNNNNNNNNNNN

22:59:07 *: chatquack whispers, "There's no one out there"

23:00:20 chatquack: I know most of you don't know me, but you may just get to witness me go over the edge. I just but the live Dave Mathews album, "Rember Two Things" on.

23:00:48 chatquack: All I can think of is what's his face from SNL on Jeperdy.

23:00:58 chatquack: Perfect 'Dave'

23:02:15 chatquack: shhh, don't engage him, maybe he'll go away...

23:02:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0424 = 0.212 BTC [+]

23:04:00 arizona: You aren't bothering me. Please procede.

23:05:16 mircea_popescu: da fuck's going on here.

23:05:24 arizona: lol

23:05:42 *: chatquack consoles mircea_popescu

23:05:55 chatquack: also "pokes with stick"

23:06:17 chatquack: It's like getting hugged by a hedghog.

23:06:43 *: chatquack "air violins"

23:07:20 chatquack: [air violing intensifies]

23:07:53 chatquack: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsUuYkMHV4w

23:07:54 ozbot: Dave Matthews Band - Tripping Billies - YouTube

23:09:32 chatquack: I think I've tripped harded enough to knock over a few billies.

23:10:18 mircea_popescu: chatquack donation address is on http://bitcoin-assets.com/

23:10:32 chatquack: mircea_popescu's over here thinking, "I'm making money, I'm making money, I'm making money, this is just noise"

23:10:45 chatquack: ooo I have not been there.

23:10:58 chatquack: Not that I have much to donate, but I shall.

23:11:12 mircea_popescu: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/Miles_Glacier_Bridge%2C_damage_and_kludge%2C_1984.jpg

23:11:12 chatquack: I'm going homeless at the end of the month.

23:11:25 mircea_popescu: you too ?

23:11:27 chatquack: Ya, that bridge.

23:11:29 mircea_popescu: there must be something going around

23:11:33 chatquack: ha right?

23:11:50 chatquack: I'll probably save up more money than I ever have.

23:11:59 mircea_popescu: well don't donate if you're homeless, do a nekkid dance or something.

23:12:01 chatquack: And also, make the least.

23:12:19 chatquack: ok, nekkid dances keep me warm.

23:12:31 chatquack: So does the clothes...

23:12:45 *: chatquack has lived in a car before AMA

23:13:02 chatquack: oh shit, just spilt beer on my belly

23:13:08 *: chatquack rubs it in

23:13:43 chatquack: Really though, my last "homeless" car was bigger.

23:13:54 chatquack: This is really going to be a bit of a down-grade.

23:14:43 chatquack: Let's see where that qoute lives.....something about house payment or the car's.

23:14:49 cads: I imagine the worst part about being homeless is that it's hard to keep up a decent bandwidth.

23:15:17 cads: how can you produce enough value to leave that state if your bandwidth is down to zero, I dunno.

23:15:44 cads: It's like game over till someone gives you some clean clothes so you can be allowed into a library

23:15:51 cads: where you'll at least have /some/ bandwidth

23:16:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00017899 = 0.179 BTC [+]

23:17:08 chatquack: hmmm

23:17:20 chatquack: cads, you bring up an intresting point

23:18:00 chatquack: I think there is a sub $100 wifi-3g huuhaa in this state, not sure about coverage though.

23:18:17 chatquack: Oh fuck, nearly out of beer.

23:18:35 cads: you can sometimes make provisional deals with wifi network owners in the area

23:19:17 chatquack: Oh snap, I should become one of thoese 'owners'.

23:20:00 cads: I can show you how to give your clients their own unique virtual SSID and password

23:20:02 *: chatquack loves neighbors that love him

23:20:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 13223 @ 0.000179 = 2.3669 BTC [+] {5}

23:20:20 chatquack: Right? Network sec is important!

23:20:43 cads: neighbors are great but I think in this day of arcane (and restrictive) provider contracts, they're too reluctant to pool resources

23:21:18 cads: also in this day of strong exploits it's not safe to let a stranger on your network

23:22:00 chatquack: Net sec should look to H&K... Keine Kompromisse!

23:22:05 chatquack: eh true

23:22:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 23 @ 0.04294312 = 0.9877 BTC [+] {4}

23:22:18 chatquack: ok, ya, go ahead and ruin my dreams.

23:22:33 chatquack: Becoming an isp might mitagate

23:22:36 cads: you just have to talk faster than your prospect's worries :)

23:22:52 cads: yep, become a rogue ISP

23:22:54 cads: DOOO it

23:22:58 chatquack: there still could be hope as a rooftop point to point ISP

23:23:07 chatquack: hahhaha

23:23:10 chatquack: I like it!

23:23:33 chatquack: Most people want free movies, not kiddie crap.

23:23:42 chatquack: eh that

23:23:46 chatquack: 's an issue

23:24:09 chatquack: the whole "your responsiblility" issue

23:25:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00018199 = 0.364 BTC [-]

23:25:37 chatquack: oooo ooo ooo what about encapsalating (sic.) all the date and encripting it to a 3rd party?

23:25:47 chatquack: data**

23:26:20 chatquack: No ISP can know what their clients will access anyway.

23:26:41 chatquack: There must be a protection method.

23:28:06 chatquack: Fuck it. I'm just going to drive a van around with a bunch of decrete antennas

23:29:16 chatquack: The whole town's like, "why doesn't my remot outdoor thermometer work anymore?"

23:29:24 chatquack: remote**

23:30:03 *: chatquack kick chatquack Too much talky talky

23:31:54 BingoBoingo: http://www.beepboopbitcoin.com/homeless.html

23:31:54 ozbot: Parchment

23:33:35 pankkake: nice!

23:36:48 mike_c: awesome. i don't remember the commands though :)

23:36:52 chatquack: oh wow. I was looking at the wrong channel think this was it.

23:37:49 chatquack: awwww BingoBoingo, that normally takes hours to get to that point.

23:37:52 cazalla: i got the reciept from the atm but was like fuck it, i don't have the attention span for these games anymore

23:38:00 chatquack: ha

23:38:18 BingoBoingo: chatquack: well, it can happen faster

23:38:32 chatquack: this may be true

23:39:03 *: chatquack needs to alias mr to me

23:39:23 chatquack: some thing like alias ls ld

23:39:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.06 = 0.3 BTC [+]

23:39:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17266 @ 0.00095752 = 16.5325 BTC [-] {2}

23:39:40 chatquack: errr ,ld ls heh wow

23:39:55 chatquack: many wow, such trhanks

23:40:21 chatquack: ~The street runs by your house to the south.~

23:40:46 chatquack: ;;eauth chatquack

23:40:47 gribble: Request successful for user chatquack, hostmask chatquack!~chatquack@unaffiliated/chatquack. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/56EF11E53FE449F5

23:42:27 chatquack: ;;everify chatquack http://pastebin.com/LtKvtc4P

23:42:28 gribble: (everify <otp>) -- Verify the latest encrypt-authentication request by providing your decrypted one-time password. If verified, you'll be authenticated for the duration of the bot's or your IRC session on channel (whichever is shorter).

23:42:40 chatquack: *gasp*

23:42:53 chatquack: ;;everify http://pastebin.com/LtKvtc4P

23:42:53 gribble: Error: Incorrect one-time password. Try again.

23:43:00 chatquack: oh well fuck

23:43:18 chatquack: BingoBoingo is a bit embaressed

23:43:28 chatquack: ;;eauth chatquack

23:43:28 BingoBoingo: ?

23:43:29 gribble: Request successful for user chatquack, hostmask chatquack!~chatquack@unaffiliated/chatquack. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/56EF11E53FE449F5

23:43:55 chatquack: everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:3952c37eb5f16e15af0e603d73f80dc4a6a9acfa209ad36554cb8356

23:44:03 chatquack: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:3952c37eb5f16e15af0e603d73f80dc4a6a9acfa209ad36554cb8356

23:44:04 gribble: You are now authenticated for user chatquack with key 56EF11E53FE449F5

23:44:27 chatquack: of fuck, no BingoBoingo taught me well, I'm just drunk and forgetfull

23:45:03 chatquack: I'm pretty sure someone jeeps moving the keys on my keyboard.

23:45:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 62 @ 0.04240563 = 2.6291 BTC [-] {4}

23:45:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4250 @ 0.00095945 = 4.0777 BTC [+]

23:49:56 chatquack: guh. i'm jsustst a drunk shlab

23:50:47 cads: Lol, don't get down on yourself. In here. We'll ridicule you :)

23:51:25 chatquack: I feel much better cads. Thank you. Have something in return: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tctfq4tplQ4&feature=kp

23:51:44 cads: I love opening random IRC links. Ever since I was a kid.

23:51:50 *: chatquack strums the getar really hard.

23:52:00 chatquack: hahhaha right? always a mistery!

23:52:38 cads: If you can stare into the "eye" of the goatse man, you know you're a product of the deep internet.

23:52:56 chatquack: I've never found his actuall eye.

23:53:14 chatquack: oh, "eye".

23:53:28 chatquack: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tctfq4tplQ4&feature=kp

23:53:29 ozbot: Tiger Woods by Dan Bern - YouTube

23:53:36 chatquack: there it is

23:53:43 chatquack: thank you ozbot

23:53:49 cads: yes, it must not move you at all, neither north nor south, you must simply acknowledge - there goes a diety of the internet

23:54:00 chatquack: ha

23:54:32 chatquack: ~which one are you BABY~

23:54:42 *: chatquack love dan bern

23:55:42 chatquack: ./nick big_as_the_swing_on_tiger_woods

23:56:17 chatquack: No missing link is another really good one

23:56:33 chatquack: REally though, Dan is fucked in the head.

23:57:00 cads: Look at the wonderful art http://animexpansion.com/forums/index.php?/gallery/member/1-mistystuffer/

23:57:27 chatquack: I love that he quotes Jesus as saying phrases like, "fuck it".

23:57:34 *: chatquack looks

23:58:05 chatquack: wow

23:58:10 chatquack: just eoe

23:58:33 cads: that is an artist that enjoys what he does, so I can't fault him/her

23:58:47 chatquack: http://animexpansion.com/forums/uploads/1344932425/med_gallery_1_645_122090.png mmmm I could love both of them!

23:59:09 chatquack: So inviting@

23:59:28 cads: adorable, right?

23:59:45 chatquack: Ohmyfuck, my speakers are loud. YeS! ADORABLE!

23:59:56 chatquack: I could roll over them for days!