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00:07:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21518 @ 0.00027 = 5.8099 BTC [-]

00:25:36 nubbins`: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=xEsMZtmE

00:25:37 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1CBiIB7 )

00:25:55 nubbins`: ^ with asciilifeform's kill-integer and dns-snip patches

00:28:10 BingoBoingo: !t m s.mpoe

00:28:10 assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00023767 / 0.00025475 / 0.0002719 (11285618 shares, 2,875.10 BTC), 7D: 0.00022189 / 0.00025956 / 0.00028207 (45012775 shares, 11,683.73 BTC), 30D: 0.0001443 / 0.00028991 / 0.0004493 (104171490 shares, 30,200.60 BTC)

00:28:17 BingoBoingo: !t m s.qntr

00:28:17 assbot: [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0.00037719 / 0.00037719 / 0.00037719 (10885 shares, 4.11 BTC), 7D: 0.00033 / 0.00037676 / 0.00037719 (10985 shares, 4.14 BTC), 30D: 0.00020808 / 0.00027399 / 0.00037719 (40462 shares, 11.09 BTC)

00:29:37 nubbins`: i'm not sure if this is confined to my system or not, asciilifeform mod6 danielpbarron ben_vulpes et al

00:30:04 nubbins`: but the local build of openssl doesn't copy its includes over to the ourlibs dir

00:30:28 nubbins`: simply doing this manually and re-running auto.sh brings me back to... uint32_t: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=pHmyM0FE

00:30:29 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1CBiRo2 )

00:34:21 nubbins`: my darwin build put 'em in the right place

00:34:29 ben_vulpes: my debian as well

00:34:35 ben_vulpes: if i recall correctly - it's been a few days

00:37:23 nubbins`: samesies, but i think i'd remember doing this

00:37:47 nubbins`: i'm gonna pastebin my entire build if anyone feels like digging w/ me

00:38:41 nubbins`: oh, too big.

00:50:37 cazalla: https://coinreport.net/antagonist-bitcoin/ first sentence paragraph lol

00:50:39 assbot: CoinReport The Antagonist of Bitcoin - CoinReport ... ( http://bit.ly/1GlDOpm )

00:51:07 cazalla: who would've thought americans sit around drinking coffee discussing how much they dislike mircea_popescu

00:55:59 BingoBoingo: lol was Garrett Keirns Garr255 or the "Surf Captital Management" douche

00:58:04 nubbins`: haha

00:58:04 nubbins`: "Bryce and I have an esoteric, and funny, similarity. We mutually disdain Romanian cryptographer Mircea Popescu. This is how we start our conversation."

00:58:04 nubbins`: this should be rich

00:58:04 punkman: maybe it's a late april fool's joke?

00:58:09 nubbins`: “It never goes down!” says Bryce, referring to the BTC/UNO exchange rate. “That’s the thing people love about UNO. It never goes down.”

00:58:40 punkman: "He tells his EVUE dream of a RIAA-approved blockchain system that will allow users to keep track of digital content and freely transfer it via internet platforms (i.e. Spotify, iTunes, Windows Media). “People will be able to keep their digital content for life,”"

00:59:10 punkman: my non-riaa-approved content will work just fine in 2115

00:59:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 124970 @ 0.00027 = 33.7419 BTC [-]

00:59:39 nubbins`: hmm

00:59:52 nubbins`: i feel like this is a facebook post, but on a website

01:01:24 nubbins`: i.e.relevant to the two guys in it, and maybe in passing to some of their friends or family

01:17:53 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu's a cryptographer nao?

01:17:58 ben_vulpes: first a girl, now a cryptographer?

01:18:05 ben_vulpes: i guess that's what they call anyone who understands math these days.

01:19:00 ben_vulpes: "The project will be a massive undertaking requiring a large seed investment. "

01:19:08 ben_vulpes: huehuehuehu i got a large seed investment for ya right here buddy

01:19:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6950 @ 0.0002719 = 1.8897 BTC [+]

01:20:00 ben_vulpes: bryce will also tell you that reputation doesn't matter either.

01:20:05 ben_vulpes: HYU

01:21:22 funkenstein_: mega lulz, where to start?

01:21:57 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/04/silk-road-sealed-document-dump-day-full-text/

01:22:14 danielpbarron: "I design blockchains to have purpose. I want the open-source, decentralized DNM to succeed so I can use my RZR coins to buy weed," quips Bryce.

01:22:35 danielpbarron: does he not have punk kids all over downtown to provide this service??

01:22:52 danielpbarron: when has it ever been difficult to score weed, seriously

01:28:13 BingoBoingo: !up Cogburn

01:28:23 Cogburn: thanks :)

01:28:28 Cogburn: I'm Bryce Weiner :)

01:28:53 danielpbarron: do you gpg?

01:29:06 cazalla: i'm president obama

01:29:27 Cogburn: oh cmon nobody is gonna pop in here and pretend to be me

01:29:49 ben_vulpes: can't trust ya tho

01:29:54 ben_vulpes: welcome to the new world order

01:29:59 ben_vulpes: get your keys sorted, boss

01:30:29 danielpbarron: Cogburn, why do you hate mircea_popescu ?

01:30:31 trinque: "You think someone would do that, just go on the internet and tell lies?"

01:30:37 Cogburn: i don't

01:30:45 Cogburn: i dunno why people think that

01:30:49 Cogburn: we disagree. that's not hate.

01:30:54 Cogburn: adults can disagree

01:31:07 Cogburn: dialectic and all that

01:31:12 cazalla: going by the article, you hate him because you ain't him

01:31:15 danielpbarron: ok why do you disdain him?

01:31:27 danielpbarron: why is he beneath you?

01:31:31 Cogburn: going by the article garret has an axe to grind with him :)

01:31:44 Cogburn: nobody is beneath me. where do you guys get this stuff?

01:31:49 danielpbarron: well he suggested that the sentiment is mutual between you two

01:31:57 Cogburn: he would be wrong

01:31:58 Cogburn: :)

01:31:59 BingoBoingo: Cogburn: Well garret lost people a bunch of money with his Surf Captial Management thing

01:32:04 Cogburn: that would only be one way

01:32:11 danielpbarron: i did a google search for the word "disdain" and got the feeling that someone or something is unworthy of one's consideration or respect; contempt.

01:32:36 danielpbarron: and contempt: the feeling that a person or a thing is beneath consideration, worthless, or deserving scorn.

01:32:40 BingoBoingo: And Garrett may or may not also be Garr255 of the Cognitive Mining tire fire

01:33:01 Cogburn: i have never expressed disdain. i have expressed passionate disagreement. that's what consensus is about. like the old days of the greek republics arguing the issues of the day on the senate steps

01:33:17 BingoBoingo: Cogburn: Would you nick happen to be a reference to Rooster Cogburn?

01:33:18 Cogburn: those are garrets words, not quotes

01:33:24 Cogburn: Yes, it is.

01:33:28 cazalla: fuck u scoopbot! http://qntra.net/2015/04/federal-agent-sells-firearms-via-darknet-market/

01:33:29 assbot: Federal Agent Sells Firearms Via Darknet Market | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1IWX6Be )

01:33:30 BingoBoingo: Sweet

01:34:15 cazalla: Cogburn, maybe you should take that up with the surfs up guy instead of us? he wrote it afterall

01:34:34 ben_vulpes: Cogburn: get in the wot?

01:34:40 Cogburn: here's my key ID

01:34:43 ben_vulpes: just so's i can take ye seriously?

01:34:44 Cogburn: had to dig that shit out

01:34:45 Cogburn: 26F3050C

01:34:49 danielpbarron: Cogburn, tell it to assbot

01:34:51 danielpbarron: !h

01:34:51 assbot: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot

01:34:52 ben_vulpes: Cogburn: you savvy wot?

01:34:56 Cogburn: danke

01:35:10 funkenstein_: i'm interested in riaacoin

01:36:14 Cogburn: who isn't :)

01:36:23 Cogburn: its not alt. it's bitcoin

01:36:41 danielpbarron: "I've developed what I call a Bitcoin Circadian Rhythm. I've noticed my body has begun aligning itself with the 10-minute block time of the Bitcoin Blockchain." << lolol

01:36:50 Cogburn: total misquote

01:36:56 Cogburn: but what are ya gonna do

01:37:04 ben_vulpes: negrate the fucker

01:37:09 ben_vulpes: if you're in the wot that is

01:37:35 Cogburn: i think WoT's are kinda culty

01:37:38 danielpbarron: so when you tweeted this article, you were using the hashtag "#awesome" in a sarcastic manner?

01:38:12 Cogburn: I think it's awesome when people say my name. :)

01:38:23 trinque: !b 3

01:38:26 assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2213JV8.txt )

01:38:35 trinque: those two lines in succession made me lol

01:38:44 Cogburn: :)

01:38:52 BingoBoingo: <Cogburn> i think WoT's are kinda culty << It makes a decent shit filter though. The postitive ratings often are no where near as informative as the reasons for the negative ratings

01:39:28 Cogburn: gamification of reputation is for people who can't give a good handshake or a warm, geniune smile when they meet someone.

01:39:39 Cogburn: trustless systems are for people with trust issues

01:39:41 Cogburn: :)

01:39:46 *: danielpbarron stabs Cogburn

01:40:14 danielpbarron: you know who gives really warm handshakes? scammers.

01:40:28 Cogburn: i dunno. i shook josh garza's hand. unimpressed.

01:40:42 danielpbarron: the same people who always have an explaination at the ready as to why they don't like WoTs

01:40:54 BingoBoingo: Cogburn: Score are the least important thing about a WoT, walking the graph and reading the feedback is

01:41:32 funkenstein_: for the record, i still think you're trolling us :)

01:41:38 Cogburn: not at all

01:41:55 Cogburn: I'm here specifically to remove that misconception

01:41:55 cazalla: Cogburn, it's not so much the wot that can be gamed but yourself

01:42:14 trinque: depends I think as well on initial conditions a great deal.

01:42:20 Cogburn: I do agree with everything MP says, but I do respect him. that's sort of a necessary component of dialectic.

01:42:28 Cogburn: *do not agree

01:42:30 BingoBoingo: funkenstein_: It's not that he's trolling. He's stuck in a wilder wester place

01:42:39 Cogburn: We don't all have to agree.

01:42:59 Cogburn: The consensus can be "go fuck yourself"

01:43:01 Cogburn: :)

01:43:05 BingoBoingo: Disagreement is the most valuable thing in the world, especially when its informed

01:43:08 Cogburn: ^

01:45:04 Cogburn: I think we can bullshit the current system by crypto inside of the existing rules and bring about real change. I do not believe in the decentralized anarcho-capitalist utopia as a world-spanning solution to our ills. I think people will live that way if the want to, but real freedom is the ability to say "no"

01:45:50 Cogburn: *by using

01:45:59 funkenstein_: itunes

01:46:33 cazalla: Cogburn, do you read the logs? you seem to have joined pretty quickly after my mentioning of that lulzy article

01:46:45 BingoBoingo: cazalla: Everyone reads the logs

01:46:47 danielpbarron: i told him to join

01:46:49 Cogburn: https://twitter.com/danielpbarron/status/583802621011501056

01:46:50 assbot: The Antagonist of /hashtag/Bitcoin?src=hash http://t.co/j9a3G5bvDS via /CoinReportNews /hashtag/Awesome?src=hash

01:46:55 Cogburn: I was invited and I accepted :)

01:47:04 BingoBoingo: cazalla: And if they don't danielpbarron offers them the chance

01:47:18 Cogburn: I do not go where I am not wanted. I'll talk with anyone who wants to talk.

01:47:39 danielpbarron: yeah well you're wearing out my patience with all the spammy smily faces

01:47:43 funkenstein_: do you use itunes?

01:47:49 cazalla: ah, fair enough then

01:47:49 funkenstein_: any of you?

01:48:16 Cogburn: i smile all the time. don't be so grumpy

01:49:04 danielpbarron: and so far all you have to say might as well have been copy pasted from the top comment on a reddit post

01:49:52 BingoBoingo: !up CryptoDustin

01:49:57 Cogburn: Maybe.. but it's my post and my thoughts and you're the one reading articles about me and bitching, so there is that

01:50:01 CryptoDustin: <3

01:50:54 Cogburn: MP doesn't have the market cornered on being crazy. some of us are just fucking nuts as he is. just not as rich. yet.

01:51:11 danielpbarron: who says he is crazy?

01:51:28 BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: He's going off in a way we find weird. Maybe it ends up kinda fruitful.

01:51:52 Cogburn: many people. i fully support his threat to fork bitcoin if gavin's block expansion goes through. he's 100% correct that it is an economic alteration to the network and not simple technical

01:52:10 danielpbarron: what?? he has threatened no such thing

01:52:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51150 @ 0.00027 = 13.8105 BTC [-]

01:52:18 danielpbarron: gavin is the one threatening a fork

01:52:20 Cogburn: ... i'm pretty sure he did

01:52:30 Cogburn: gavin has the keys. he's "that guy"

01:52:34 danielpbarron: what keys?

01:52:43 Cogburn: that's metaphorical

01:52:46 danielpbarron: the ones snipped from the code because they mean nothing?

01:52:52 trinque: Cogburn: with nothing grounding it to reality

01:53:03 Cogburn: that's right

01:53:03 danielpbarron: http://thebitcoin.foundation/turdmeister-alert-snip.tar.gz

01:53:03 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1DCnJeK )

01:53:06 Cogburn: it's 100% bullshit

01:53:13 Cogburn: that's why MP is right

01:53:19 BingoBoingo: Cogburn> gavin has the keys. he's "that guy" << Thermos also has a copy of the "Keys"

01:53:31 Cogburn: poor choice of words on my part

01:53:42 trinque: no problem, but that is the core of the issue

01:53:56 trinque: these clowns are no more "the bitcoin guys" than anyone else

01:53:58 danielpbarron: gavin has the attention poor people who think that talking about bitcoin makes them a part of it somehow

01:54:05 Cogburn: pun intended? what is bitcoin if not the core reference client?

01:54:08 funkenstein_: Alert keys. I hope somebody pushes a cosbycoin message through someday :)

01:54:13 Cogburn: it gets really existential really quickly

01:54:26 danielpbarron: Cogburn, the reference client is here

01:54:40 danielpbarron: not github

01:54:49 funkenstein_: what is the internet if not microsoft IE?

01:55:16 Cogburn: there's an article from late 2013 and i wish i could find it entitled "What if Bitcoin turned Evil?"

01:55:25 Cogburn: 21.co get $120m to make ASICs

01:55:40 Cogburn: let's say they end up to comprise 70% of the network

01:55:44 Cogburn: and add 100m coins

01:55:46 danielpbarron: if you think socialism is good, then bitcoin is evil to you

01:55:51 Cogburn: what are you gonna do about it?

01:56:09 funkenstein_: reject the blocks

01:56:11 danielpbarron: i'm gonna keep running my node that ignores their invalid blocks

01:56:20 Cogburn: so there's now 2 bitcoins

01:56:25 danielpbarron: do i care that hundreds of altcoins exist? nope.

01:56:28 trinque: yes but which diverged?

01:56:45 Cogburn: according to consensus, the 70% wins, right?

01:56:47 danielpbarron: well seeing as how i'm using a node which didn't change rules..

01:56:51 Cogburn: but that's a single entity

01:56:54 funkenstein_: $120m to make orphans

01:57:17 funkenstein_: what's next an riaa-controlled blockchain?

01:57:20 danielpbarron: the consensus of whom? you still have to sell those 100m coins

01:57:24 Cogburn: Looking deeper, that's a silicon valley brain child

01:57:26 BingoBoingo: <Cogburn> according to consensus, the 70% wins, right? << The beautiful thing about concensus is how many releases have been make since $100+ BTC which must agree

01:57:41 Cogburn: that means all those buddies in palo alto that everyone uses will fork to that chain

01:58:03 danielpbarron: good for them. seriously good riddance

01:58:14 danielpbarron: they can have their USGcoin

01:58:23 trinque: and if the economic implications of their fork eventually make the thing worthless, the original will have the posture towards it that it has towards fiat

01:58:30 danielpbarron: !up Cogburn

01:58:34 danielpbarron: get in the WoT would ya

01:58:40 Cogburn: No

01:58:43 Cogburn: Hehe

01:58:47 Cogburn: I truly hope MP is interested in this because if he wanted to compete with 21.co I would be very down to help.

01:59:20 danielpbarron: if you want to help, the first step is getting in the WoT

01:59:23 trinque: Cogburn: ...sounds like a great reason to register so that you may retain voice and discuss that with him

01:59:25 danielpbarron: that is no optional

01:59:52 danielpbarron: Cogburn, http://www.contravex.com/2014/03/17/irc-yeshiva/

01:59:54 assbot: IRC Yeshiva | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1DCpgkR )

02:00:49 Cogburn: aww that's really cute

02:01:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13817 @ 0.00027026 = 3.7342 BTC [+]

02:01:21 BingoBoingo: Cogburn: As someone else from the borderlands between the middle west and the middle south of the US I swear the WoT doesn't hurt that much

02:01:21 Cogburn: However I'm already 32 degree freemason, so thank you but no thank you

02:02:10 trinque: ^ cold mothafucka

02:03:22 Cogburn: You know the WoT is basically forensic evidence, right?

02:03:30 Cogburn: You sacrifice anonymity?

02:03:33 danielpbarron: lol.

02:03:42 Cogburn: I'm okay with just a quick visit.

02:04:01 BingoBoingo: <Cogburn> You sacrifice anonymity? << You also gain insurance

02:04:23 Cogburn: For what? People come to my coffee house from bitcoin every few months.

02:04:28 trinque: no one connected to the internet on any device that exists has anonymity

02:04:30 Cogburn: You're welcome, too

02:04:53 danielpbarron: anonymity is overrated, and it isn't for the poor anyway

02:04:59 BingoBoingo: Cogburn: Did you not see mircea_popescu's insurance policy against Obola seizures?

02:05:03 Cogburn: anonymity is a choice

02:05:04 danielpbarron: and nobody is forcing you to register your slave name

02:05:40 BingoBoingo: Cogburn: I mean you did Changetip ISIS...

02:05:51 trinque: loooooool

02:05:55 Cogburn: hahahaha

02:07:07 BingoBoingo: Cogburn: Of all people you might have an interest in sticking your head out here from time to time and getting friendly with people.

02:07:27 BingoBoingo: !b 4

02:07:30 assbot: Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1Y027Q5.txt )

02:08:18 asciilifeform: lol what even is this.

02:08:45 danielpbarron: some guy who thinks he is a big name in bitcoin but needs to acknowledge that he is currently a nobody in the realm that counts

02:09:00 asciilifeform: <nubbins`> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=xEsMZtmE << this is actually -correct- behaviour - barfs instead of pulling in system's ssl headers

02:09:01 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1DCr4un )

02:09:11 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> lol what even is this. << Rooster Cogburn's a Marshall on the altcoin wild west

02:09:27 Cogburn: I am very friendly. I was invited and I showed up.

02:09:33 Cogburn: I do have things to do

02:09:41 asciilifeform: <nubbins`> simply doing this manually and re-running auto.sh brings me back to... uint32_t ... << aaaaand this is where my patch in turn b0rks the thing. 'the doctor cured the patient's ear, but did poke out an eye, i fear'

02:09:45 Cogburn: There's always twitter

02:10:01 funkenstein_: thanks for stopping by

02:10:17 asciilifeform: 'Romanian cryptographer Mircea Popescu...' << l0l

02:10:29 Cogburn: it's a pleasure. i'm glad i did. i didn't realize that people thought i hated MP or something. I don't hate anyone. Life is too short.

02:10:34 BingoBoingo: <Cogburn> There's always twitter << Stop by again. Just remember on Twitter danielpbarron tends to bite harder than here.

02:11:22 asciilifeform: Cogburn: where do you know (?) mircea_popescu from ?

02:11:25 Cogburn: being critical isn't hate. i'm not above being criticized. I do and say dumb shit like anyone does. I'm also kinda nuts.

02:11:27 cazalla: Cogburn, it's your friend who gave such an impression, not us

02:11:27 Cogburn: shut happens

02:11:29 Cogburn: *shit

02:11:31 danielpbarron: when condensing thoughts into 140 characters i tend to chop out the nice sounding bits leaving only the necessary harsh words

02:11:59 Cogburn: twitter is like conversation in haiku

02:12:07 trinque: Cogburn: I'm still waiting on an elaboration of this disagreement

02:12:13 Cogburn: MP and I had a little row at the end of 2013 and I think that's where it stemmed from

02:12:26 asciilifeform: <Cogburn> pun intended? what is bitcoin if not the core reference client? << actually Cogburn is right. it very much -is- the reference client. which lives here: http://therealbitcoin.org

02:12:27 assbot: ..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CBlXID )

02:12:34 Cogburn: I literally cannot remember the context

02:12:39 Cogburn: I have no idea what we were talking about

02:13:17 danielpbarron: when in doubt, check the log -> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1085254

02:13:17 assbot: Logged on 03-04-2015 01:30:49; Cogburn: we disagree. that's not hate.

02:13:30 asciilifeform: but could not remember what disagreed about ?

02:13:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25800 @ 0.00027 = 6.966 BTC [-]

02:13:39 BingoBoingo: !s Bryce

02:13:40 assbot: 5 results for 'Bryce' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=Bryce

02:13:47 Cogburn: i remember the disagreement. there was someone else in it too... i can't remember

02:14:06 BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2014#533483

02:14:06 assbot: Logged on 26-02-2014 21:09:12; mircea_popescu: anyone know a certain Bryce Weiner ?

02:14:20 Cogburn: i just don't remember what it was about. some esoteric point of anarcho capitalism or some such.

02:14:30 Cogburn: awww

02:14:32 Cogburn: <3

02:14:54 BingoBoingo: Things happen, hopefully people learn

02:15:14 asciilifeform: <Cogburn> You know the WoT is basically forensic evidence, right? << it's more of a signed confession than 'forensic' anything. like the american 'declaration of independence.' 'we hang together or hang separately,' etc.

02:15:23 Cogburn: fair

02:15:33 Cogburn: I'll consider it.

02:16:17 Cogburn: I hadn't seen it expressed that way before

02:16:34 asciilifeform: <Cogburn> that means all those buddies in palo alto that everyone uses will fork to that chain << have you ever seen a tram in the third world ?

02:16:40 asciilifeform: or a train

02:16:48 asciilifeform: notice all the folks hanging off the sides, on the roof ?

02:17:34 asciilifeform: now, are they 'passengers' ?

02:17:50 Cogburn: Let's assume my RIAA project is real. Let's assume it happens, and partners with TIDAL for content provision. If 1,000,000 people listen to 3 minute songs for 1 hour, that's 3,000,000+ TX per block in microtransactions.

02:18:00 asciilifeform: and, do the folks -inside- - who paid for their tickets - need them for anything? does the train need them ?

02:18:01 Cogburn: I understand your analogy better than you think.

02:18:19 asciilifeform: Cogburn: there are more lucrative ways to fleece idiots, you know

02:19:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31638 @ 0.00027 = 8.5423 BTC [-]

02:19:43 asciilifeform: Cogburn: RIAA project << i for one would only pay even a penny for something riaa-related if it somehow -takes away- at least the same penny from riaa et al.

02:19:49 asciilifeform: and am not alone in this.

02:20:01 asciilifeform: especially if the sum gets subtracted in human flesh.

02:20:03 funkenstein_: george clinton would agree

02:20:04 Cogburn: I understand. I also appreciate where it is that I say these things.

02:20:18 Cogburn: This is not what I would call a "receptive audience" to my idea.

02:20:35 Cogburn: When we announce officially, I will come back and AMA

02:21:11 mod6: asciilifeform: so, If I wanna play around, I should try gxemul before qemu?

02:21:25 asciilifeform: the other thing is the political nuance here. when you do business with riaa etc. you are banking that 2025 will contain a world where riaa and the usg it is an affiliate of - are still in business

02:21:32 asciilifeform: instead of residing in extermination camps.

02:22:04 Cogburn: I think that RIAA is tired of getting fucked by new technology and drank their own koolaid.

02:22:15 Cogburn: I could be wrong.

02:22:24 funkenstein_: musicians are also tired of getting fucked by the riaa

02:22:35 Cogburn: everyone is tired of getting fucked

02:22:38 Cogburn: that's kinda the point

02:22:40 funkenstein_: lol

02:22:46 Cogburn: we can fix that

02:23:02 Cogburn: that's what my project aims to do

02:23:03 *: BingoBoingo impressed there is so much lag between axe time and sword time

02:23:16 asciilifeform: Cogburn: from what i read so far, it seems like your 'fix' still involves armed thugs threatening murder to create a 'market.'

02:23:23 Cogburn: if things are going to change, we first have to stop getting fuced

02:23:29 Cogburn: *fucked

02:23:36 Cogburn: stop fucking over each other

02:23:43 Cogburn: then things just change on their own

02:23:49 Cogburn: nice and easy

02:24:11 asciilifeform: pass the lsd plz.

02:24:13 trinque: like that time in history where things went nice and easy

02:24:22 Cogburn: Rome

02:24:29 Cogburn: Say what you want, it fucking worked.

02:24:52 danielpbarron: ah, so you are also in favor of slavery?

02:25:00 asciilifeform: Cogburn: worked -when- ?

02:25:04 Cogburn: how's your paycheck?

02:25:11 Cogburn: are you self employed?

02:25:17 asciilifeform: Cogburn: please specify -when- rome 'worked'

02:25:22 Cogburn: don't talk to me of slavery if you are paid a wage

02:25:32 danielpbarron: i am in favor of slavery

02:25:41 BingoBoingo: Garret Kierns for the record https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=58893

02:25:42 assbot: View the profile of Surf Capital Management ... ( http://bit.ly/1DCutJp )

02:25:47 Cogburn: slavery in our time is a choice

02:26:03 Cogburn: i'm okay with that, so long as there is a choice

02:26:38 danielpbarron: it's always a choice.. between doing as your master says or being beaten

02:26:47 danielpbarron: or starving to death in the wilderness

02:26:49 Cogburn: I appreciate some people just don't want to deal with some shit. That doesn't make them bad.

02:27:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28500 @ 0.00027 = 7.695 BTC [-]

02:27:48 trinque: I think ultimately people will choose whatever gives them the best life, and the sad current condition is that this is what they've chosen, because this is all they can see.

02:28:05 Cogburn: I think you're right.

02:28:20 trinque: now, how do you demonstrate that there's a different way of being, defining the world, etc

02:28:45 danielpbarron: slavery isn't the problem with the current state of affairs; it's this mentality of "i should get to eat while also talking back to my master" that has to go

02:28:55 trinque: many ways, probably. but I think it's naive to think that transition happens all nice and easy like

02:29:15 asciilifeform: !up Cogburn

02:29:26 Cogburn: Thank you

02:29:59 Cogburn: I think those of us who get this blockchain bitcoin magic internet money bullshit have the opportunity to demonstrate and lead by example. Quite frankly IDGAF if MP is crazy or I disagree. I think he's doing it right. I think he knows he's doing it right, too :)

02:30:29 Cogburn: It's a tool that provides an opportunity to do something truly different with the world. To take advantage, we must be different.

02:31:05 asciilifeform: Cogburn: i'm rather curious re: what you believe mircea_popescu is doing. 'right' or otherwise.

02:31:12 Cogburn: Leading by example.

02:31:20 Cogburn: "This is my way. Like, don't like, DGAF."

02:31:26 Cogburn: A choice.

02:31:33 asciilifeform: Cogburn: and which 'way' is that ?

02:31:50 asciilifeform: i mean, what does it concretely mean, in your mind

02:32:23 Cogburn: Dunno. Not my problem. I know he has one. I know he's passionate about it. That's what I think is important. The rest is how history will remember our efforts.

02:33:10 asciilifeform: let's say i said 'i think dijkstra was doing it right.' that would imply that i am in favour of structured programming, against the use of 'goto', and in favour of 99.999% of programming students being flunked and similar fraction of the practitioners of that profession - being fired.

02:33:27 asciilifeform: if i say that i -disagree- with dijkstra - then i do not believe these things.

02:33:30 Cogburn: I'm an order out of chaos sort of guy.

02:33:42 Cogburn: I see what's going on. No issues from me.

02:33:47 mircea_popescu: dude who the hell raped the logs.

02:33:55 asciilifeform: Cogburn: are you able to describe even one of the concepts you agree or disagree with mircea_popescu about? or do you just dislike his beard ?

02:34:04 asciilifeform: am i talking to a perl script ?

02:34:09 asciilifeform: late 4/1 joke ?

02:34:53 mircea_popescu: btw, anyone ever got rms' new autoreply ? the one where he goes "i'm on a 48 hour delay like mpex" ?

02:35:10 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Bryce showed up

02:35:24 mircea_popescu: who ?

02:35:37 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: rms' autoreply << never got, but the 48 hour thing is not, afaik, new. he has someone read the mail and pass it on (or not)

02:35:37 BingoBoingo: !s Bryce

02:35:38 assbot: 5 results for 'Bryce' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=Bryce

02:35:42 Cogburn: Hahahah we had a twitter fight a year ago and people think i hate you

02:36:09 asciilifeform: Cogburn: so was it the beard ? or an actual position ?

02:36:12 Cogburn: I apparently did an interview with a blogger antagonistic to you and I wanted to clarify any guilt by association

02:36:34 Cogburn: Okay. I did not ever think that bitcoin would outperform BH.

02:36:49 mircea_popescu: interview ? who for ? wut ?

02:37:56 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: With Surf Captial Management kid

02:38:30 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084140 << magically, i have never seen any of this irl

02:38:30 assbot: Logged on 02-04-2015 14:59:47; asciilifeform: what a crock of shit!

02:38:37 mircea_popescu: where is this thing used by millions ?

02:38:51 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'used' has a very peculiar meaning here

02:39:06 asciilifeform: sorta like high fructose syrup is 'used'

02:39:11 danielpbarron: cazalla, Patch.com reports the arrest of a Massachusetts man who sort to purchase a firearm << should be "sought to purchase" ?

02:39:18 asciilifeform: as in, fed to unsuspecting bipedal cattle

02:39:28 cazalla: danielpbarron, ty

02:39:31 mircea_popescu: but i never seen one.

02:39:52 mircea_popescu: how does it even work, you hash the "public key" and then multiply it with something ? sorta halfass rsa ?

02:39:59 cazalla: <Cogburn> Hahahah we had a twitter fight a year ago and people think i hate you <<< not people, your friend from coinwhatever website

02:40:15 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: since it isn't an actual cryptosystem, you will never -see- it. instead, the bank account of that clown and his university 'sees' the royalties from idiot usg affiliates proclaiming to 'use' it.

02:40:35 mircea_popescu: ah one of those. mkay.

02:40:46 asciilifeform: http://www.voltage.com/technology/identity-based-encryption << him

02:40:48 assbot: Identity-Based Encryption (IBE), Boneh-Franklin Algorithm, Private Key Generation, Key Certificates, Cryptography Methods | Voltage Security ... ( http://bit.ly/1DCxycx )

02:40:49 mircea_popescu: not that the idea is without merit.

02:40:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21184 @ 0.00027029 = 5.7258 BTC [+] {2}

02:41:23 asciilifeform: 1) idiot generates a 'public key' by his email, or name, being hashed

02:41:30 mircea_popescu: any random string being hashable, any random string could be used as a pubkey, in principle. may take some work to mine a usable privkey to go with it, but...

02:41:35 asciilifeform: 2) usg generates a private key to 'go with' the public

02:41:41 asciilifeform: by virtue of the hash being malleable

02:41:48 asciilifeform: then they live happily ever after

02:41:50 asciilifeform: in buttfuck embrace

02:41:53 mircea_popescu: lol how is this encryption

02:42:00 asciilifeform: same way american 'food' is food

02:42:16 mircea_popescu: no but i mean for srs. this could actually be done correctly

02:42:18 mircea_popescu: drive them out of market.

02:42:20 asciilifeform: 'encryption-flavoured extruded product'

02:42:26 mircea_popescu: (yeah yeah i know, as if)

02:42:26 asciilifeform: correctly?!

02:42:46 mircea_popescu: why couldn't i have arbitrary pubkey ?

02:42:53 asciilifeform: you can right now

02:42:57 mircea_popescu: exactly.

02:43:01 asciilifeform: e.g. 'vanitygen'

02:43:35 mircea_popescu: prolly the bruteforce approach doesn't deliver 100%.

02:44:16 asciilifeform: but the asymmetry is required for honest crypto. i.e. if mr luser can determine a privkey to go with luser@luserdom.com than so can you and i

02:44:58 mircea_popescu: hm

02:45:29 mircea_popescu: i suppose you're right - this service existing is sufficient prooof what it's serving isn't crypto.

02:45:34 asciilifeform: it's a 'keybase'.

02:45:41 asciilifeform: for all i know, 'keybase' is a licensee

02:45:46 mircea_popescu: lol

02:45:48 asciilifeform: i suppose one can patent a chumpatron.

02:45:52 mircea_popescu: gotta spend that "seed money" somehow.

02:46:04 asciilifeform: 'scheme for relieving idiots of their...'

02:47:13 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084166 << no, implication is "our readership is moronic"

02:47:13 assbot: Logged on 02-04-2015 15:06:45; asciilifeform: What You Need to Know About the Unsealed Silk Road Docket << i do so hate these 'what you need to know' titles. implication is that no serious person would need to know anything else

02:47:37 asciilifeform: i haven't seen anything as insulting to the intelligence of the reader as 'voltage security co.' in many years.

02:47:59 asciilifeform: because, possibly, the flavour of being targeted at folks who go in for cryptological maths, rather than garden-variety schmucks

02:48:26 mircea_popescu: i suppose it's targeted at folks who think the usg is a good idea and windows an operating system.

02:48:26 asciilifeform: it's one thing to pitch 'proof that 1=2' to third-grade children, another - to maths grad students

02:48:40 mircea_popescu: depends. stanford grads prolly buy it.

02:48:48 mircea_popescu: if mit grads anything to go by.

02:49:09 asciilifeform: on the flip side, it gives an almost p.t. barnum-esque air of loud, profanely farting cynical hucksterism. nostalgic.

02:49:44 asciilifeform: sorta the same feeling i used to get when i was a regular reader of 'secret' forums for spammers

02:49:59 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084204 << if you recall, that was taken off because that's how sa owned the forum back during mtgox 1 cent days

02:49:59 assbot: Logged on 02-04-2015 15:27:23; nubbins`: wow, the latest DDOS attack against the forum seems to have reinstated the ability to change/add avatars

02:50:05 mircea_popescu: so go ahead, sql inject it.

02:50:40 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform those forums... sorta tardstalk before the bitcoin.

02:51:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13700 @ 0.00027 = 3.699 BTC [-]

02:51:10 asciilifeform: aha. they even had own 'spamcoins' (using - now, long-dead - centralized spam-money services)

02:51:32 mircea_popescu: people are generally stupid in the same ways.

02:51:45 asciilifeform: it is rare to see an entirely novel stupid invented.

02:52:25 mircea_popescu: kinda why you'd expect governments to do better than they are, really.

02:53:00 asciilifeform: incidentally, one idea for writersey folks - taxonomy of the meaningfully-different forms of bad crypto.

02:53:09 pete_dushenski: token "hey look it's pete" scoop: http://www.contravex.com/2015/04/02/mean-streets/

02:53:10 assbot: Mean Streets. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1DCAeH8 )

02:53:20 asciilifeform: https://craphound.com/spamsolutions.txt << based possibly on this. or in essay form

02:53:21 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1DCAg1J )

02:54:30 mircea_popescu: definite flavour of malus enumeratio

02:54:42 asciilifeform: not as a serious guide for humans !

02:54:46 asciilifeform: as a massage.

02:54:57 asciilifeform: jjust like spamsolutions.txt is not a textbook

02:55:33 asciilifeform: enumerations of fallacies - and especially of scams - are not useless

02:55:58 asciilifeform: even if there is a universe full of falsehood. as pointed out, stupidity cuts into equivalence classes.

02:56:16 mircea_popescu: ( ) Extreme profitability of spam << i take it this was 2000ish ?

02:56:22 asciilifeform: earlier.

02:56:35 mircea_popescu: myeah. meanwhile that problem took care of itself.

02:56:36 asciilifeform: iirc written no later than '97

02:57:59 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084246 << wait. wut ?!

02:57:59 assbot: Logged on 02-04-2015 15:59:45; thestringpuller: no. i'm going to have to cancel for family reasons related to finance

02:58:52 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084266 << i don't think this will work.

02:58:52 assbot: Logged on 02-04-2015 16:06:28; asciilifeform: nor should nubbins`, or ben_vulpes, or the rest.

02:59:15 mircea_popescu: conceivably this will come down to "use so and so, version no later than X, and you will have to either not use sound or use one of these sound cards"

02:59:35 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: or the other thing i suggested

02:59:45 BingoBoingo: !up Cogburn

02:59:48 mircea_popescu: what, "posix" ? that's not a thing

02:59:51 asciilifeform: it being, what folks do in school. emulate a machine that is described on half a sheet of paper

03:00:05 asciilifeform: with instruction set such-and-such, this much ram, etc.

03:00:14 asciilifeform: (see rest of thread)

03:00:25 mircea_popescu: emulators are seriously a very bad idea for this.

03:00:31 Cogburn: thank, you but you need not keep voicing me. I'll consider the invitation for the WoT. Glad to clear some things up. Have a great night.

03:00:35 mircea_popescu: i can appreciate the ... spherical chicken appeal.

03:00:51 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i do this in life. if you have a reasonably-fast computer, it is tolerable.

03:01:08 asciilifeform: now this'd be for -builds-

03:01:12 asciilifeform: not for running bitcoind -in-.

03:01:14 mircea_popescu: it's a bad idea.

03:01:36 asciilifeform: it is.

03:01:40 mircea_popescu: you're fighting shit with a taller tower. of shit.

03:01:43 asciilifeform: but no one has suggested a good idea.

03:01:56 mircea_popescu: how about debian sarge ?

03:02:08 asciilifeform: can i re-create it ?

03:02:14 asciilifeform: without downloading bins

03:02:14 mircea_popescu: 3.x

03:02:23 mircea_popescu: i think you should STILL be able to yes.

03:02:27 mircea_popescu: but back in 2005, definitely.

03:02:33 mircea_popescu: !up E8888____

03:02:35 asciilifeform: i mean, with my existing compilers.

03:02:46 mircea_popescu: with its own. it's a whole complete universe.

03:02:52 asciilifeform: aha so i gotta download bins

03:02:53 mircea_popescu: not sure about yours, mebbe worth a shit

03:02:54 asciilifeform: ick.

03:03:01 mircea_popescu: shot*

03:03:17 asciilifeform: besides we had someone try specifically it - ben_vulpes ?

03:03:25 mircea_popescu: we did /

03:03:25 asciilifeform: and turned out that it has a lying gcc

03:03:30 mircea_popescu: no ?

03:03:36 asciilifeform: which includes a type not defined in the src.

03:03:45 asciilifeform: (see yesterday's zoological find)

03:04:18 BingoBoingo: http://www.gomerblog.com/2015/04/hospitalist-becomes-own-endless-loop/

03:04:19 assbot: Hospitalist Becomes Own Endless Loop | GomerBlog ... ( http://bit.ly/1DCCpKV )

03:04:27 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084286 << this is a correct approach, the problem seems to be however that compilers don't work properly.

03:04:27 assbot: Logged on 02-04-2015 16:09:47; mod6: Ok, so say that you have installed via offical docs, bla bla bla. Ok, then our release doesn't work. But we need to fix defects, and I refuse to have this happen going forward. So we need something repeatable.

03:04:43 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i wasn't aware that was on deb sarge.

03:04:49 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes awake ?

03:04:53 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: what did you use ?

03:05:20 BingoBoingo: ?It was all very surreal. The nurse told me my patient had arrived on the ward. I told her I was the patient. She apparently thought I was making an existential statement and replied ?aren?t we all just the sum of our patients and our patience?. I know, it doesn?t make any sense to me either now, but at the time it was profound, because, you know, dilaudid. ?

03:05:28 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=01-04-2015#1082482

03:05:28 assbot: Logged on 01-04-2015 19:08:25; ben_vulpes: ascii_field, nubbins`: debian 6.0.10

03:05:44 mircea_popescu: that is not sarge.

03:05:51 *: asciilifeform consults table

03:05:52 mircea_popescu: that is 3 major revisions later. looks like modern.

03:05:56 asciilifeform: aha.

03:06:13 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: be so kind as to try the build on one of your debians ?

03:06:32 asciilifeform: untar and ./auto.sh

03:06:34 mircea_popescu: i didn't take any across the ocean ;/

03:06:37 asciilifeform: damn.

03:06:54 mircea_popescu: well how the fuck was i to know a year later ima be all the way up in thompsoncpp

03:07:12 mircea_popescu: but yes, the execration has occured to me a number of times.

03:07:15 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i once seriously toyed with the idea of building with borland cpp 3

03:07:24 asciilifeform: you know, -that- one

03:07:38 mircea_popescu: then again if THAT didn't work it wouldn't surprise me.

03:07:41 asciilifeform: http://borlandc.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Screenshot1.png

03:07:43 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1HpoWoM )

03:08:02 asciilifeform: i still miss that thing.

03:08:04 mircea_popescu: yes i had it, my f9 was illegible

03:08:08 asciilifeform: aha

03:08:16 mircea_popescu: note btw your ss is in romanian.

03:08:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32427 @ 0.00027 = 8.7553 BTC [-]

03:08:26 asciilifeform: unsurprisingly

03:08:57 Adlai: BingoBoingo: no, the best part: McSwagger was awakened from a deep sleep by his pager, only to find out that he was being called by his own nurse, apparently because he needed something for sleep

03:09:05 BingoBoingo: lol

03:11:19 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084315 << you're more than welcome to play with an emulator if you wish to broaden your horizon, but it is broadly inadequate for what we're trying to do here.

03:11:19 assbot: Logged on 02-04-2015 16:16:41; nubbins`: so maybe we can start there

03:11:25 *: pete_dushenski reading logs, smacked with similarities between weiner / cogburn and charlie from mean streets

03:11:52 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the problem is that the pc architecture (as a standard that you can hard-hold a vendor to) is dead.

03:12:03 asciilifeform: e.g., i literally can't buy my main pc again.

03:12:13 mircea_popescu: this is a problem.

03:12:17 pete_dushenski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFWV-mfMdw8 << if this be the same weiner that keeps derping with seamonster

03:12:18 assbot: Bitcoin Chat With Crypto Mogul Bryce Weiner! - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1HppT0m )

03:12:22 asciilifeform: possibly, very slowly, out of antiquarian collectible parts.

03:12:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25155 @ 0.00027 = 6.7919 BTC [-]

03:12:36 asciilifeform: of fuck knows what provenance.

03:12:37 mircea_popescu: but pretending like magic works isn't a solution to it.

03:12:44 asciilifeform: magic?

03:12:47 mircea_popescu: yes.

03:13:12 mircea_popescu: look, qemu is essentially a hypervisor.

03:13:16 asciilifeform: nope.

03:13:22 mircea_popescu: if hypervisors fixed bad osen microsoft'd have been long fixed.

03:13:28 asciilifeform: when used as classical qemu (with accelerator) there is no hypervisor

03:13:31 asciilifeform: can emulate pc on vax

03:13:33 asciilifeform: or vax on pc

03:13:37 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/04/federal-agent-sells-firearms-via-darknet-market/

03:14:01 asciilifeform: hypervisor is a very other animal, where certain instructions are emulated ('sensitive' ring0 ones) while most execute naked.

03:14:05 mircea_popescu: but only provided the underlying os behaves.

03:14:07 asciilifeform: popular hypervisor: vmware

03:14:39 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we have a confusion of terminology here. an emulator is, for instance, 'zsnes' - popular 'super nintendo' emul

03:14:54 asciilifeform: works on soviet 'elbrus' as well as american '486'

03:15:04 mircea_popescu: yes.

03:15:20 asciilifeform: and regardless of what the nintendo proggy does, cannot crash the elbrus

03:15:33 mircea_popescu: so far this is a hypervisor.

03:15:35 asciilifeform: because we are essentially interpreting the snes instructions

03:15:38 asciilifeform: nope.

03:15:54 asciilifeform: hypervisor has a specific meaning

03:15:55 mircea_popescu: "works on another machine. check. client can't crash kernel. check"

03:16:11 mircea_popescu: yes. that special meaning is "runs vms"

03:16:33 asciilifeform: actually the rub with hypervisor is that the 'guest' -can- affect the 'host' quite often.

03:16:47 mircea_popescu: but this because hypervisor is badly implemented.

03:16:51 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/crime/article17061476.html

03:16:52 assbot: Teen son of Canadian Consul General arrested after brother killed in drug deal | Miami Herald Miami Herald ... ( http://bit.ly/1HpqDCK )

03:17:57 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the short version of the difference is that a 'hypervisor' emulates -certain- instructions, that are understood to modify the global state of the machine in ways which would allow the guest os to monopolize the hardware (e.g., write a block to the disk at index I) whereas an emulator emulates -all- instructions executed by the guest

03:18:04 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: how stupid and ballsy are these consul's kids that they "planned to rob the drug dealers "

03:18:22 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a minor point, but anyway.

03:18:24 pete_dushenski: why can't they just buy coke from a classmate like normal kids of consuls ?

03:18:26 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: I dunno, what's going on in the Canadia

03:18:29 asciilifeform: very major point in practice

03:18:42 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski "The teens are the sons of Roxanne Dub?, who only recently assumed the role of consul general in Miami. A former Fulbright scholar, she has extensive diplomatic experience, having worked as an aide in Parliament and as the ambassador to Zimbabwe."

03:18:44 asciilifeform: hypervisor requires host and guest architectures to be same.

03:18:46 mircea_popescu: and there you have your problem.

03:18:57 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform notrly.

03:19:07 asciilifeform: emulator can be of anything you like, whether the computer from 'apollo' space probe, or one that i made up for the occasion.

03:19:17 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: not that anything does, but "Wabafiyebazu" isn't that canadian

03:19:21 mircea_popescu: plenty of 32 bit run on 64 bit that way for instance.

03:19:29 asciilifeform: 32 is subset

03:19:32 pete_dushenski: s/does/is

03:19:34 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Is Rob Ford contagious?

03:19:52 asciilifeform: x86_64 contains specific provisions for running a process in 'short' (x86) mode

03:20:10 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: you're closer to derpbama than i to ford ;)

03:20:33 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, granted, it's "a better hypervisor". still runs on another os.

03:20:33 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: I'll need to get a map to check that

03:20:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30900 @ 0.0002719 = 8.4017 BTC [+]

03:21:13 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sometimes, you can take the contents of the emulator and - if it exists and you have it in your collection - run it on physical iron

03:21:48 mircea_popescu: sometimes i fall asleep on one girl and wake up atop another.

03:21:53 asciilifeform: same idea.

03:22:02 mircea_popescu: i wouldn't propose this for anyone else.

03:22:22 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: incidentally, this is lieke 90% of what i'd want a 2nd pet for

03:22:26 asciilifeform: 2nd 'stator'

03:22:33 asciilifeform: (if fella who turns, is 'rotor')

03:22:38 mircea_popescu: inb short : it'd be great if emulators as you conceptually represent one existed and work. they do not. what we need is a distro to set in stone.

03:22:53 asciilifeform: for fucks sake, they exist and i use them every day for past decade.

03:23:07 mircea_popescu: are you running this in an emulator ?

03:23:16 asciilifeform: 'this' - no

03:23:19 mircea_popescu: why not ?

03:23:22 asciilifeform: most of what passes for my day job - yes

03:23:32 asciilifeform: why not << because no reason to take 25x cpu hit

03:23:33 mircea_popescu: most of which isn't bitcoind-like

03:24:13 mircea_popescu: suppose your emulated bitcoind forks. what do you do ?

03:24:28 asciilifeform: win turing prize.

03:24:35 mircea_popescu: yeah well.

03:24:40 asciilifeform: spend on burial.

03:25:39 asciilifeform: anyway the point, again, would not be to ever -run- bitcoind in the dog-slow emulated linux

03:25:55 asciilifeform: but to cross-compile for normal machine (ibmpc, pogo, vax, whatever)

03:26:14 asciilifeform: using -known- set of mechanisms.

03:26:26 asciilifeform: as in, putting an actual cork in the os/libs/cpu/etc

03:26:46 mircea_popescu: but this is essentially naive. because, again, the bitcoind is not the code you read, but the binary that runs.

03:26:48 asciilifeform: as in 'here they are and this they shall be in 3015 running on Aldan-XVIII cpu'

03:27:01 asciilifeform: yes, the bin. small enough to eventually disasm & read.

03:27:13 mircea_popescu: if your binary that runs can not be run by your golden standard

03:27:21 asciilifeform: can, why not.

03:27:22 mircea_popescu: you essentially have managed to divorce a new academia out of engineering

03:27:28 mircea_popescu: this is the last thing we want.

03:27:47 asciilifeform: that'd be a monumentally strange thing to do. but not what suggested.

03:27:59 asciilifeform: suggested nailing down a machine spec

03:28:03 mircea_popescu: it is what'd happen.

03:28:05 asciilifeform: that can be replicated

03:28:17 asciilifeform: in the way that we are too poor (yes, poor) to do with tangible machine yet.

03:28:17 mircea_popescu: how do you distinguish a bug in the os from a bug in the emulator from a bug in the code ?

03:28:31 asciilifeform: that's the thing, bug in emulator is catastrophic

03:28:42 asciilifeform: but think of it as a skyscraper foundation. there is tremendous pressure on it

03:28:49 mircea_popescu: so you want me to pull in more code than the openssl. with worse risk outlook.

03:28:59 mircea_popescu: and your explanation is... "Well many people checked it"

03:29:07 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: when you dig out your old laptop with 'pentium I', guess what you're pulling in

03:29:15 asciilifeform: at least emulator code - i can sit down & read.

03:29:20 asciilifeform: try read internals of 'pentium I'

03:29:50 mircea_popescu: except your emulator still runs on pentium i in question

03:29:59 mircea_popescu: with who knows what dirty hacks everywhere to make it "portabler"

03:30:01 asciilifeform: or soviet 'iskra'

03:30:08 mircea_popescu: (incidentally, portability worst fucking idea in computing!)

03:30:16 asciilifeform: or my mips-on-fpga that exists nowhere but my living room

03:30:18 asciilifeform: or, or

03:30:40 asciilifeform: or it runs in my head & a pencil

03:30:42 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i can't see this as anything but "adding more bad code".

03:31:10 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is right, but in the same way as a fella taking penicillin is 'swallowing poison'

03:31:14 asciilifeform: technically -yes.

03:31:14 mircea_popescu: i don't have anything against running test versions of golden-bitcoind on anything, including toasters, gameboys, toasters emulated on gameboys etc

03:31:21 mircea_popescu: but that's a different discussion.

03:31:44 asciilifeform: ideally i would not even suggest something as terrifyingly unpleasant as - in effect - giving everyone a 486.

03:31:48 asciilifeform: which is what emulator amounts to.

03:32:08 asciilifeform: but what is the alternative whereby each of us ends up with 1) EXACTLY same machine 2) one we can still get 1000 years later

03:32:18 asciilifeform: or even month later.

03:32:26 mircea_popescu: no, we've not even come to the discussion where "it's entirely unclear desktop with bitcoind in quemu can even process blocks in 10 minutes each"

03:32:33 mircea_popescu: we're still atthe principle of the matter.

03:32:36 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: believe or not - can.

03:32:40 *: asciilifeform admits he tried

03:32:47 mircea_popescu: nothing wrong with trying it.

03:33:59 asciilifeform: (on what? modest box circa '07)

03:34:40 asciilifeform: but none of it changes the fundamentally bowel-loosening fact of discovering that 1) extant linuxen are incompatible in eldritch ways 2) that impact bitcoind build

03:35:00 asciilifeform: and 3) static builds never really worked for items of any complexity

03:35:23 asciilifeform: because 4) we have a rusted-solid 'luger' from 1941

03:35:36 mircea_popescu: so far, i'm a) chasing whoever the fuck broke the world by making an idiotic libnss and b) unconvinced the problem's more than that dns bs.

03:35:36 asciilifeform: that we tried to fire and somehow surprised

03:35:49 asciilifeform: i think we shot (a) in the head

03:36:02 mircea_popescu: hm

03:36:04 mircea_popescu: ?

03:36:05 asciilifeform: (dns removal. but one more tumour growth left, the external-ip getter)

03:36:45 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084194

03:36:45 assbot: Logged on 02-04-2015 15:17:35; asciilifeform: my dns seed snip patch never made it in the realease, did it

03:36:51 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084387 << ahaha good one.

03:36:51 assbot: Logged on 02-04-2015 16:32:29; nubbins`: but hey. the plural of anecdote is proof, yes?

03:36:57 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform THE PROBLEM STILL EXISTS.

03:37:00 mircea_popescu: even if not in our code anymore

03:37:05 asciilifeform: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1085084

03:37:05 assbot: Logged on 02-04-2015 21:50:57; asciilifeform: bitcoin does not need dns for anythign!

03:37:12 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yes, exists

03:37:26 mircea_popescu: well yes. im chasing the culprit. i wish to know who the fuck thought this is a good idea.

03:38:14 asciilifeform: i humbly request a copy of r. stevens's 'tcp/ip' bound in his skin.

03:38:28 asciilifeform: will also accept pike's 'unix prog. envir.'

03:38:48 mircea_popescu: more like it.

03:39:13 *: asciilifeform has a list.

03:39:45 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084405 << the reason they're doing this is obvious. they want to find bugs.

03:39:45 assbot: Logged on 02-04-2015 16:34:58; jurov: even openbsd prefers to maintain racks of obsolete hardware to running emulators

03:41:03 asciilifeform: must add also that the possibility of emulating a reasonably unix-capable computer is relatively recent. in university 'operating systems' courses in '99 folks were still rebooting actual pc, with floppy, 500 times a day. in 2006 - qemu.

03:41:13 asciilifeform: (and the occasional floppy/pc)

03:41:36 asciilifeform: my brother had one - i had the other

03:41:37 mircea_popescu: nobody is disputing it's a very useful tool for many things.

03:41:53 mircea_popescu: well, not i at any rate.

03:43:03 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: do you recall the 'specificity of diddling' thread ?

03:43:16 mircea_popescu: yes.

03:43:32 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-03-2015#1044648 << for others reading

03:43:32 assbot: Logged on 06-03-2015 23:42:12; asciilifeform: for the benefit of n00bs, i will briefly elaborate

03:44:08 asciilifeform: related.

03:46:48 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084446 << lol wait, they came full circle to the actual goal, usg's own bitcoin ?

03:46:48 assbot: Logged on 02-04-2015 16:43:36; asciilifeform: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/urbit-dev/zhMRI9hn4KI/bMYtcr9o5QkJ << unrelated mega-l0l

03:47:32 mircea_popescu: "Writing an empty stub is an extremely bad practice and should only be done in desperation, because at the urbit level it produces a system event log that is nonrepeatable, or at least noncompliant with the nock spec. Discrepancies propagate rapidly in any kind of replay. You should be able to turn off all jets and get the same result. This is not practical, but it is practical if you disable everything but a few ba

03:47:33 mircea_popescu: sic math functions.

03:47:33 mircea_popescu: As a development methodology it's often useful to write hoon that tracks an existing C routine rather than the other way around, but even this needs to be done quite carefully to avoid jet discrepancies."

03:47:35 mircea_popescu: i liked that part.

03:52:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.0002719 = 3.2356 BTC [+]

03:53:52 asciilifeform: they'll eat their pants before admitting it's 'usg bitcoin'

03:54:24 mircea_popescu: well for one thing it's not ok to admit yarvin is orlov in a different color scheme

03:54:40 asciilifeform: lol, what color ?

03:54:53 mircea_popescu: for the other it's not ok to admit urbit exists strictly because a) yarvin's chumpatron attempt failed just at the time b) usg was looking for a particular tool

03:54:56 mircea_popescu: scooped it up cheapo.

03:55:22 mircea_popescu: so i guess two can't admits make it a mindblowing evil thing.

03:55:31 asciilifeform: close. exists because y dropped out of grad school to play original 'dotcom' chumpamatic

03:55:45 mircea_popescu: right. but that's half the story.

03:55:46 asciilifeform: and sorta wanted to get back to these two highlights of his youth

03:56:03 mircea_popescu: his mantears over bitcoin existing coupled with a certain need for "Expertise" in certain quarters...

03:56:29 asciilifeform: i actually read his 'all bitcoin users will be gassed' thing as honest defeatism

03:56:38 asciilifeform: but can't even tell now.

03:57:30 mircea_popescu: the man is not honest.

03:57:53 mircea_popescu: im starting to notice a pattern here, he reads exactly like yak guy, once i read yak guy

03:57:56 asciilifeform: brings to mind,

03:57:59 asciilifeform: Orwell: ?Do you really want to see your children grow up Nazis??

03:57:59 asciilifeform: The youth: ?Nonsense! You don't suppose the Germans are going to encourage Fascism in this country, do you? They don't want to breed up a race of warriors to fight against them. Their object will be to turn us into slaves. That's why I'm a pacifist. They'll encourage people like me.?

03:57:59 asciilifeform: Orwell: ?And shoot people like me??

03:57:59 asciilifeform: The youth: ?That would be just too bad.?

03:57:59 asciilifeform: Orwell: ?But why are you so anxious to remain alive??

03:58:01 asciilifeform: The youth: ?So that I can get on with my work, of course.?

03:58:06 asciilifeform: ( http://orwell.ru/library/articles/As_I_Please/english/eaip_04 )

03:58:07 assbot: George Orwell: As I Please -- 1943 ... ( http://bit.ly/1I9faus )

03:58:19 mircea_popescu: there was a very apt summary in that physicits's criticism. i suppose i should look it up.

03:58:20 asciilifeform: mr mold decided that he was anxious to remain alive. i can't really see why.

03:58:51 mircea_popescu: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Eliezer_Yudkowsky << lulwut.

03:58:53 assbot: Eliezer Yudkowsky - Wikiquote ... ( http://bit.ly/1I9fhWN )

03:59:01 mircea_popescu: hey, does wikiquote have a page of quotes from my cat yet ?

03:59:10 asciilifeform: no but almost

03:59:14 asciilifeform: i think they have naggum's cat.

03:59:44 mircea_popescu: holy shit, "crocker's rules" omfg. http://fraudsters.com/2014/anonymous-derpage/

03:59:44 assbot: Anonymous derpage pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1pBuh84 )

03:59:54 mircea_popescu: it's eerie just how connected stupidity is.

04:01:18 mircea_popescu: "So, Hariezer is joking about the murder (its made clear later), but WHAT THE FUCK IS HAPPENING? These escalating friendship-tests feel contrived, reciprocity is effective when you don?t make demands immediately, which is why when you get a free sample at the grocery store the person at the counter doesn?t say ?did you like that? Buy this juice or we won?t be friends anymore.? This whole conversation feels

04:01:19 mircea_popescu: ham fisted, Hariezer is consistently telling us about all the manipulative tricks they are both using. Its less a conversation and more people who just sat through a shitty marketing seminar trying to try out what they learned. WITH RAPE. "

04:01:33 mircea_popescu: basicaly... these are kids whoise main feature is having sat through a bunch of bad marketing seminars.

04:02:04 mircea_popescu: and

04:02:04 mircea_popescu: conversations between Quirrell/Malfoy/Potter seem to follow scripts of the form

04:02:05 mircea_popescu: "Here is an awesome manipulation I?m using against you"

04:02:05 mircea_popescu: "My, that is an effective manipulation. You are a dangerous man"

04:02:05 mircea_popescu: "I know, but I also know that you are only flattering me as an attempt to manipulate me."

04:02:06 mircea_popescu: "My, what an effective use of Bayesian evidence that is!"

04:02:08 mircea_popescu: etc.

04:02:32 asciilifeform: this is not entirely unlike the 'karate scenes' written by hacks

04:02:42 mircea_popescu: quite.

04:02:55 mircea_popescu: it's funny tho, quotations from bad fanfic, the works.

04:03:24 pete_dushenski: http://fortune.com/2015/04/02/bitcoin-bowl/ << oh hey look 'daniel roberts' reads the logs

04:03:25 assbot: Goodbye, Bitcoin St. Petersburg Bowl, we hardly knew ye - Fortune ... ( http://bit.ly/1I9fUj3 )

04:03:51 pete_dushenski: ^quite the qntra rip-off

04:04:09 pete_dushenski: obviously without attribution, 'reddit said' instead

04:04:36 asciilifeform: folks who, to a first approximation, -don't read for pleasure- tend to write rather disconcertingly like a poorer version of what they did read. sorta like vomit looks something like the food at times

04:05:50 pete_dushenski: "hey look, a gummy worm!"

04:05:58 pete_dushenski: "only half-digested!"

04:07:16 mircea_popescu: lol

04:07:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6965 @ 0.00027 = 1.8806 BTC [-]

04:07:47 mircea_popescu: well... the world is supremely fair, in that ignorance is its own reward.

04:08:15 pete_dushenski: i'm finally working my way through buffett's annual letters to berkshire shareholders

04:08:33 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1085094 << what's wrong with config file srsly.

04:08:33 assbot: Logged on 02-04-2015 21:54:54; asciilifeform: i never got around to shitting out a patch to remove the hardcoded seedz

04:08:35 mircea_popescu: !up PFate

04:08:40 pete_dushenski: http://www.berkshirehathaway.com/letters/letters.html << recommended reading for log readers out there

04:08:42 assbot: Shareholder Letters ... ( http://bit.ly/1I9gJZg )

04:08:58 PFate: hello and thank you

04:09:06 mircea_popescu: yeah they're not bad.

04:09:11 mircea_popescu: PFate who might you be ?

04:09:40 PFate: erm, just a pleb atm

04:09:45 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what's wrong with config file srsly << nothing wrong with it. but 1) the hardcoded junk needs to go 2) node needs to learn own ip somehow

04:09:45 PFate: want twitter handle?

04:09:52 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: call it biznis 201

04:09:52 PFate: @thefateofbtc

04:10:16 pete_dushenski: PFate: soooo what's the fate ?

04:10:21 mircea_popescu: PFate it's free form, i dun want anything specific.

04:10:57 PFate: pete, right now its not good from watching the news

04:10:58 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1085111 << sadly. the man very much went by this "engineering" approach.

04:10:58 assbot: Logged on 02-04-2015 21:59:01; jurov: may have been satoshi himself

04:10:58 PFate: lol

04:11:34 pete_dushenski: PFate: that works because i'm pretty sure nowhere here watches the news

04:11:44 pete_dushenski: https://1broker.com/ << this yours then ?

04:11:45 assbot: 1Broker - Bitcoin Forex and CFD Trading ... ( http://bit.ly/1I9heTa )

04:12:05 PFate: 1broker.co

04:12:08 PFate: :)

04:12:22 PFate: 301 redirect ftw

04:12:44 asciilifeform: stas@humanoid ~ $ grep -R -i u_int32_t bitcoin-0.3.21

04:12:44 asciilifeform: stas@humanoid ~ $ grep -R -i uint32_t bitcoin-0.3.21

04:12:44 asciilifeform: stas@humanoid ~ $

04:12:44 cazalla: wow, that fortune.com article cites btcfeed as the source of the jan bitpay layoffs? fucking cunts

04:12:47 asciilifeform: nope, not satoshi.

04:13:07 pete_dushenski: cazalla: ikr!

04:13:30 mircea_popescu: ahaha im bashing that paste shit. nubbins you should start your own act.

04:13:40 pete_dushenski: PFate: well congrats on "We have proven ourselves: Since our launch in 2012, there was not a single security breach."

04:14:08 PFate: ? the .com is not mine

04:14:11 PFate: heh

04:14:29 mircea_popescu: cazalla write to the author and to forbes editor, tell them they can either publish a fix or else i sue.

04:15:20 mircea_popescu: lettuce see if forbes getting sued by bitcoin for ip infringement makes the news or not.

04:15:33 asciilifeform: won't make the docket much less news

04:15:38 asciilifeform: will be magicked away with magic rays.

04:15:39 mircea_popescu: the docket it will make.

04:15:39 pete_dushenski: PFate: ah nm then!

04:15:48 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, because magic rays too expensive.

04:15:52 asciilifeform: 'state privilege'

04:15:57 cazalla: mircea_popescu, author proudly displays his twitter url, but no email address, guess i'll have to dig

04:16:06 pete_dushenski: to whoever else runs 1broker, wd.

04:16:25 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski you know, one day you'll run into one of these claiming 2006.

04:17:17 pete_dushenski: and when that day comes, i'll learn not to trust anything random websites say

04:17:29 asciilifeform: '25 years of windows-2008 experience'

04:17:32 PFate: theres probably someone on linkedin with crypto(btc/ltc) claimed experience dating 2008

04:18:15 asciilifeform: szabo ?

04:18:16 pete_dushenski: not that one can't have 20 years of 'digital cash' experience, it's just that... so what ?

04:18:40 mircea_popescu: poor substitute for being in wot.

04:18:40 pete_dushenski: matonis was on the edges of the thing back then

04:18:54 mircea_popescu: iirc we had a guy in here who claimed 546805806 years of precious metal guruism

04:19:05 mircea_popescu: the claim got reduced and reduced until it went away

04:19:09 mircea_popescu: didn't take much pressure, either.

04:19:38 asciilifeform: 546805806 years of << l0l! he had an uninitialized register or what.

04:19:45 asciilifeform: incremented until overflowed?

04:19:47 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1085173 << yes.

04:19:47 assbot: Logged on 02-04-2015 22:51:59; asciilifeform: i probably should have specified this in the signed text

04:20:01 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i just replaced one random value with another. my register's wider than his.

04:20:05 pete_dushenski: PFate: anyhoo so what brings you by this fine evening ?

04:20:16 PFate: stalking

04:20:29 PFate: since the bryce interview, back traced to this chan

04:20:30 mircea_popescu: the tits are that way --->

04:20:37 PFate: oh, sweet

04:20:45 PFate: but thats the edge of my desk

04:20:48 mircea_popescu: who the fuck stalks dudes

04:20:57 PFate: shitty comcast movies are on the other screen

04:21:00 *: asciilifeform will probably end up having to seppuku one day because did not specify 'do not use in reactors to power interstellar multigenerational flights' in some patch in '14

04:21:20 PFate: i stalk persons of interest in my hobbies to see whats up

04:21:30 PFate: this year and last, crypto

04:21:36 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1085180 << yeah qntra ppl. do we even care to get these ?

04:21:36 assbot: Logged on 02-04-2015 22:57:01; nubbins`: i floated a design, nobody was too fussy, nothing else suggested

04:22:09 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, i'll just end up stuck explaining why you shouldn't to angry mobs.

04:24:07 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo dude dat qntra. 0.00027399 vs 0.00028991 eh!

04:24:37 mircea_popescu: also 104mn s.mpoe shares changed hands this month.

04:24:51 *: asciilifeform just unpacked a laser printer/scanner/copier thingie and went 'wtf' because it weighs maybe half of what the dearly departed predecessor did. must be 95% corn plastic or sumthing

04:24:51 mircea_popescu: methinks institutionals got told a few words ?

04:25:04 asciilifeform: i mean srsly, wut

04:25:45 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform oothecae walls structure.

04:26:01 pete_dushenski: i dunno if my monthly contributions qualify me for 'qntra ppl' but as cool as cards with just email and gpg would be, i'm not sure i'd have much use for them in the space of meat

04:26:02 mircea_popescu: use cockroach parts! they're great for the environment and weigh less!

04:26:05 asciilifeform: l0l

04:26:28 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski original deal was for a dozen, you;'d prolly make it

04:26:40 asciilifeform: the funny thing is that i've owned little laser printers since '90s, always almost precisely the same size, breadbox

04:26:44 asciilifeform: and they get lighter, lighter,....

04:27:10 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1085215 o.O

04:27:10 assbot: Logged on 03-04-2015 00:51:07; cazalla: who would've thought americans sit around drinking coffee discussing how much they dislike mircea_popescu

04:27:34 asciilifeform: i bet this one'd auger in if i sat on it.

04:27:41 asciilifeform: nay, stepped in it.

04:28:08 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1085216 google produces http://fraudsters.com/2014/these-fucktards-have-to-be-immortalised-theyre-worse-than-dr-foreskin-even/

04:28:08 assbot: Logged on 03-04-2015 00:55:59; BingoBoingo: lol was Garrett Keirns Garr255 or the "Surf Captital Management" douche

04:28:09 assbot: These fucktards have to be immortalised, they're worse than Dr. Foreskin even pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ChL53G )

04:28:19 mircea_popescu: apparently the neobee "brick and mortar" 17 yo financiers.

04:28:48 mircea_popescu: also, i am not a cryptographer.

04:28:49 asciilifeform: <pete_dushenski> i dunno if my monthly contributions qualify me for << wai wat was this

04:28:50 PFate: auger?

04:28:55 asciilifeform: auger.

04:28:57 PFate: that slang for collapse?

04:29:24 PFate: never heard it used outside building/drilling

04:29:58 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: aite well, if they're free to the magick dozen, i'd take mebbe 50 cards ?

04:30:09 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: qntra writing

04:30:09 mircea_popescu: iirc it was 250 ?

04:30:25 mircea_popescu: look in teh log

04:30:50 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1085221 dude srsly with this still ?!

04:30:50 assbot: Logged on 03-04-2015 00:58:09; nubbins`: “It never goes down!” says Bryce, referring to the BTC/UNO exchange rate. “That’s the thing people love about UNO. It never goes down.”

04:30:51 pete_dushenski: i saw it, just saying that i wouldn't make use of that many

04:32:07 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "Preet Bharara's minions can be seen pleading to Judge Forrest that the terminally corrupted Baltimore investigation so how touches their investigation in no way."

04:32:10 mircea_popescu: so how wut.

04:33:08 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1085246 << actually if someone was to pop in here and try to mine some lulz, they'd prolly pretend to be exactly someone like that, ie, marginal twitterhead or w/e. who else would they pretend to be.

04:33:08 assbot: Logged on 03-04-2015 01:29:27; Cogburn: oh cmon nobody is gonna pop in here and pretend to be me

04:33:30 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: fxd

04:34:04 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1085257 << o.O wasn't thestringpuller rapping this like yest ?

04:34:04 assbot: Logged on 03-04-2015 01:31:12; cazalla: going by the article, you hate him because you ain't him

04:34:19 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2015/ok-ok-you-had-me-d/#comment-113407 so he was

04:34:20 assbot: Ok, ok, you had me :D pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ChMUgW )

04:35:10 cazalla: mircea_popescu, lol yeah he was in the fraudsters comments, it's what sprung to mind at the time

04:35:51 mircea_popescu: meanwhile "wtf is cogburn" "it's a reference to a film you stopped because wtf is this stupid shit."

04:36:21 mircea_popescu: seriously, people actually watched that atrocity ?

04:36:44 mircea_popescu: twelve year old independent wild west girlie ?

04:37:06 mircea_popescu: shit that only happened on planet "i'm a fat fuckhead and i will daydream an alt-history in which women actually did shit" ?

04:37:09 BingoBoingo: Eh, she ends up an amputee, there's gotta be a niche for that

04:37:42 mircea_popescu: for the record : no child at that time would have fucking dared to open her stupid mouth for fear of a beating.

04:37:42 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: will daydream an alt-history << countess ada l. porn ?

04:37:47 mircea_popescu: which fear was pretty fucking actual.

04:38:23 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's this thing which seriously proposes that a texas ranger who took the trouble to hunt some outlaw all the way into wherever the fuck is even talking to some snotty brat.

04:38:26 mircea_popescu: boggles the mind.

04:38:58 mircea_popescu: but not so far off hariezer fanfic.

04:39:03 asciilifeform: in porn, can cavort with platonic polyhedra if it tickles you. doesn't have to make sense in life...

04:39:24 mircea_popescu: it was a holywood "socialist realist" piece tho

04:39:30 asciilifeform: l0l!

04:39:35 mircea_popescu: well what are they ?

04:40:01 asciilifeform: money laundromats ?

04:40:10 mircea_popescu: all the unwatchable crud starting with the alt-gays (brokeback mountain) all through imaginary women that never happened, brave black slaves, what have you

04:40:21 mircea_popescu: it's socialist realism i tell you.

04:40:37 asciilifeform: Чапаев!

04:40:53 mircea_popescu: im looking forward to a remake of spartacus but set in south carolina

04:41:05 mircea_popescu: with an imaginary black leader dude that caused a countrywide revolt.

04:41:08 mircea_popescu: because this happened.

04:41:22 asciilifeform: http://www.kinopoisk.ru/film/45435

04:41:23 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ChPa7O )

04:41:25 asciilifeform: from other side of ocean.

04:41:44 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, you're thinking the almost able to stand post-20s.

04:41:50 mircea_popescu: im thinking the 70s.

04:44:55 asciilifeform: or more egregiously,

04:44:56 asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_mjKQkYctg

04:44:57 assbot: МУЛЬТФИЛЬМ Орлёнок - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ChQbwA )

04:46:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6831 @ 0.00027024 = 1.846 BTC [+]

04:46:22 asciilifeform: ^ mega-genre-emblematic

04:47:14 *: asciilifeform once was mindfucked when read 'livejournal' of gurl who confessed to having wanked to this ^

04:49:21 asciilifeform: 'why do you want to go to the revolution, kid?' 'to save the boy. the hero, about whom the song was.' 'will you fear a bullet?' 'no' 'will you fall for tricks?' 'no!' 'come on in'

04:49:52 mircea_popescu: !up evian11_____

04:50:27 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform honestly my first idea of socialist realism is very bad metal basreliefs.

04:50:30 mircea_popescu: cinema a distant 3rd

04:50:37 asciilifeform: bad metal - mandatory

04:50:56 mircea_popescu: ok this cartoon is on point.

04:51:05 asciilifeform: absolutely mandatory for genre students

04:51:18 mircea_popescu: quite exactly the spirit.

04:51:28 mircea_popescu: directly visible in the say "abstraction" of movements.

04:51:39 *: asciilifeform fesses up that he loved it to death as a boy

04:51:43 mircea_popescu: very unabashed red/black coloring etc

04:51:52 mircea_popescu: it is MADE to be loved to death by simpletons.

04:51:56 mircea_popescu: the problem is some never outgrow it.

04:52:48 mircea_popescu: o fuck, frame in frame. defo.

04:53:03 asciilifeform: frame ?

04:54:00 mircea_popescu: yes. pioneer kid at museum

04:54:06 asciilifeform: ah well yes.

05:04:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31866 @ 0.00027 = 8.6038 BTC [-]

05:09:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21850 @ 0.00027024 = 5.9047 BTC [+]

05:11:01 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1085304 << this speaks to neither wot nor irl trust.

05:11:01 assbot: Logged on 03-04-2015 01:39:28; Cogburn: gamification of reputation is for people who can't give a good handshake or a warm, geniune smile when they meet someone.

05:13:27 mircea_popescu: !up odyjm

05:14:21 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1085325 << well then you have no business here.

05:14:21 assbot: Logged on 03-04-2015 01:45:04; Cogburn: I think we can bullshit the current system by crypto inside of the existing rules and bring about real change. I do not believe in the decentralized anarcho-capitalist utopia as a world-spanning solution to our ills. I think people will live that way if the want to, but real freedom is the ability to say "no"

05:14:39 mircea_popescu: saves me a bunch of reading at any rate.

05:14:51 asciilifeform: i dont think that was even a living thing

05:14:53 asciilifeform: but a script.

05:15:03 asciilifeform: it elizad when i spoke to it.

05:15:29 mircea_popescu: sadly this is no longer much of a criteria.

05:15:34 mircea_popescu: try a barrista sometime and see.

05:15:48 asciilifeform: a wut

05:15:53 BingoBoingo: Thing apparently was living, but not very. Shell that seems most motivated to please whatever is on the other side of the screen whether it be Surf or what it imagines #b-a to be

05:15:54 asciilifeform: bartender?

05:15:55 mircea_popescu: chick that pours coffee.

05:15:58 asciilifeform: Ah

05:16:03 mircea_popescu: no, not bartender. coffeeshoptender.

05:16:14 Chillum: its like a spanish waiter

05:16:16 Chillum: lol

05:17:16 mircea_popescu: "Pretentious sounding word used by dejected art history and drama majors that describes their employment in order to make themselves feel better about serving coffee."

05:17:18 mircea_popescu: ud has it.

05:17:26 asciilifeform: l0l

05:17:28 mircea_popescu: they could call themselves gheishas for the same money.

05:18:57 cazalla: asciilifeform never heard of the fabled hipster barista

05:19:15 asciilifeform: over here the coffee is served 100% by uni students

05:19:19 asciilifeform: who else.

05:19:24 mircea_popescu: anyway, entire class of could-have-been bright young things that sound like eliza.

05:19:32 mircea_popescu: yes dude. those.

05:20:34 Chillum: my local coffee serving girl is rather bright

05:20:40 Chillum: though she is an owner

05:22:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55650 @ 0.00027 = 15.0255 BTC [-]

05:22:44 []bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $150 before July" http://bitbet.us/bet/1133/ Odds: 21(Y):79(N) by coin, 22(Y):78(N) by weight. Total bet: 10.61572615 BTC. Current weight: 94,079.

05:28:40 asciilifeform: 'Let?s use IBM as an example. As all business observers know, CEOs Lou Gerstner and Sam Palmisano did a superb job in moving IBM from near-bankruptcy twenty years ago to its prominence today. Their operational accomplishments were truly extraordinary.' (buffett '11)

05:28:42 asciilifeform: wtf?!

05:28:54 asciilifeform: ibm, the shrivelled husk?

05:29:26 asciilifeform: was that letter sent from paralleluniverse or wut

05:30:56 mircea_popescu: buffett pre 2000 is very different beast from buffett post 2001

05:31:04 mircea_popescu: much like zimmerman or any other number of people.

05:31:36 asciilifeform: getting headcrabbed will do that.

05:32:40 pete_dushenski: buffett in

05:32:47 pete_dushenski: 1991 was on his game

05:33:07 pete_dushenski: then, bought hh brown, today... car dealerships

05:34:22 pete_dushenski: ;;seen brendafdez

05:34:24 gribble: brendafdez was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 1 day, 6 hours, 28 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: <brendafdez> mircea_popescu it works now. Anyway the IP I'm on now is one of a public AP, it shouldnt be whitelisted. I'll later give you my home IP, and BingoBoingo has my VPS IP already. I didn't know you were filtering.

05:36:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22910 @ 0.00027 = 6.1857 BTC [-]

06:01:39 BingoBoingo: !t m s.qntr

06:01:39 assbot: [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0.00037719 / 0.00037719 / 0.00037719 (10885 shares, 4.11 BTC), 7D: 0.00033 / 0.00037676 / 0.00037719 (10985 shares, 4.14 BTC), 30D: 0.00020808 / 0.00027399 / 0.00037719 (40462 shares, 11.09 BTC)

06:01:48 BingoBoingo: !t m s.mpoe

06:01:48 assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00023767 / 0.00025516 / 0.0002719 (10198588 shares, 2,602.31 BTC), 7D: 0.00022189 / 0.0002599 / 0.00028207 (44106582 shares, 11,463.73 BTC), 30D: 0.0001443 / 0.00028916 / 0.0004493 (103963514 shares, 30,062.38 BTC)

06:02:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7108 @ 0.0002719 = 1.9327 BTC [+]

06:04:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35873 @ 0.0002713 = 9.7323 BTC [-] {2}

06:14:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00027218 = 1.5242 BTC [+]

06:36:37 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2014#533582 << curious to know if this ever happened

06:36:37 assbot: Logged on 26-02-2014 21:59:17; mike_c: their prospectus says they are going to make 6,000 btc in 2014. so quarterly dividend would be..

06:37:29 ben_vulpes: hey robert viragh fuck off quit emailing me.

06:38:39 mircea_popescu: lmao

06:39:37 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes it never made any money. at all.

06:39:57 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: tee hee i know

06:40:18 mircea_popescu: aok

06:40:21 ben_vulpes: more ribbing nubbins`, really

06:40:42 mircea_popescu: nubbins ?! how's he involved

06:40:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58524 @ 0.00027215 = 15.9273 BTC [-] {2}

06:40:57 ben_vulpes: read the linked thread!

06:41:43 mircea_popescu: the part about adding things to his highlights ? or the part about shewpherd pie ?

06:42:11 ben_vulpes: the whole log section is hilarious - some twenty lines in each direction

06:42:22 ben_vulpes: nubbins` going on about hif, steak, puss...

06:42:36 ben_vulpes: old logs are a trip, i guess.

06:43:09 mircea_popescu: kinda why we even have them.

06:43:26 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1085482 << hear hear

06:43:26 assbot: Logged on 03-04-2015 02:19:43; asciilifeform: Cogburn: RIAA project << i for one would only pay even a penny for something riaa-related if it somehow -takes away- at least the same penny from riaa et al.

06:44:34 mircea_popescu: i suppose "innovation" in the superficial sense in current usage has come to this, that it's barely a proxy for shock value. they ran out of "innovative" alts and now are hoping for interest out of the patently ridiculous.

06:44:47 mircea_popescu: "o ya ? well my alt is about dead weasels!"

06:45:33 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1085490 << one of the things i admire about you, asciilifeform, is your charming ability to paint just the most desolate picture of anyone's future for them.

06:45:33 assbot: Logged on 03-04-2015 02:21:25; asciilifeform: the other thing is the political nuance here. when you do business with riaa etc. you are banking that 2025 will contain a world where riaa and the usg it is an affiliate of - are still in business

06:45:34 mircea_popescu: "that doesn't make any sense" "But it's got you talking about it!" "only briefly" "yeah well that's a lot more than the other 93875937394 guys manage"

06:46:23 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes imagine what it's like to be his girlfriend.

06:47:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40800 @ 0.00027 = 11.016 BTC [-]

06:49:48 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i like to complain as much as the next jew, but these russians!

06:50:11 mircea_popescu: why do you think they kept the jews beyond the pale.

06:50:15 ben_vulpes: they're so down they make *you* want to kill yourself!

06:50:33 mircea_popescu: and notice he's not even really russian. imagine if he stayed in odessa.

06:50:39 ben_vulpes: ya christ

06:50:44 mircea_popescu: which EVEN THEN wouldn't have been REALLY russian.

06:50:56 mircea_popescu: two degrees of soparation here.

06:51:07 ben_vulpes: well, eu that part of the world more than us.

06:51:36 ben_vulpes: hm what part of russia is he from?

06:51:41 ben_vulpes: well, "russia"

06:51:47 mircea_popescu: the ukraine :D

06:51:49 ben_vulpes: hurr durr ustard dun no geograpfiez

06:52:03 mircea_popescu: you know, like "what part of the us is nubs from ?"

06:52:43 ben_vulpes: :(

06:52:50 ben_vulpes: i know nothinggggg

06:53:05 mircea_popescu: yeah, how do you even jack off

06:53:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8550 @ 0.00027218 = 2.3271 BTC [+]

06:53:09 mircea_popescu: i bet you need a woman even for that.

06:53:17 ben_vulpes: death by embarrass

06:53:23 mircea_popescu: lol

06:54:41 mircea_popescu: hm, reading back... you probably didn't even pick the pale reference didja.

06:54:57 ben_vulpes: i thought that was a british/irish thing.

06:55:03 mircea_popescu: ;;google pale of settlement

06:55:04 gribble: Pale of Settlement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pale_of_Settlement; The Pale of Settlement | Jewish Virtual Library: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/pale.html; YIVO | Pale of Settlement: http://www.yivoencyclopedia.org/article.aspx/Pale_of_Settlement

06:55:18 ben_vulpes: shit jesus

06:55:26 mircea_popescu: ah this has been top log.

06:55:40 ben_vulpes: i am actually a horrible jew

06:55:44 ben_vulpes: all i care about is rockets

06:55:52 mircea_popescu: lol

06:57:25 ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> you know, like "what part of the us is nubs from ?" << bad example. canada is just unannexed right now.

06:57:42 mircea_popescu: so it's a good example.

07:00:50 *: ben_vulpes ponders his mental calendar

07:19:05 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: have you never seen fiddler on the roof ? movie or play ?

07:19:29 pete_dushenski: it's the token charicature of 'the pale'

07:19:40 pete_dushenski: aaaand just-as-eyes-close-scoop: http://www.contravex.com/2015/04/03/aligning-incentives/

07:19:41 assbot: Aligning incentives. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1G8veMj )

07:19:53 pete_dushenski: bon soir a tous!

07:28:39 mircea_popescu: the movie's actually pretty good.

07:28:57 mircea_popescu: "if wealth is a curse... well then may god strike me down with it! and may i never recover!"

07:39:33 mircea_popescu: "Just as it is the way of an ape to imitate humans, so too, a person, when he has become old, imitates himself, and does what was his manner previously."

07:40:43 mircea_popescu: there asciilifeform, i found you in the rishonim discussion of buffet's plight in the kotzker rebbe.

07:41:01 mircea_popescu: hmm, lemme restate.

07:41:27 mircea_popescu: there asciilifeform, i found you rishonim precedent in the kotzker rebbe discussion of buffet's plight.

07:41:34 mircea_popescu: dat semitic word order ffs.

07:58:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45550 @ 0.00027 = 12.2985 BTC [-]

07:58:17 BingoBoingo: cooperate, civility determined unnecessary https://www.insidehighered.com/views/2015/04/03/essay-thoughts-community-college-curmudgeons-and-how-engage-them

07:58:20 assbot: Essay on the thoughts of community college curmudgeons and how to engage them @insidehighered ... ( http://bit.ly/1IYid6k )

08:00:35 BingoBoingo: "Maybe if they?d listen to us curmudgeons once in a while, rather than trying to shut us up, community colleges wouldn?t be in the shape many of us are today: taking unconscionable amounts of students? loan eligibility and seeing them leave when it runs out, as illiterate/innumerate as they were when they got here. No one wants us to talk about that, though."

08:02:06 mircea_popescu: sure. and maybe if the people trying to bail out the titanic were faster with it...

08:03:13 BingoBoingo: I like how the author misses the obvious conclusion, the curmudgeons were right the whole time

08:04:32 mircea_popescu: http://41.media.tumblr.com/66d5c4c3c7fb72b8c71d7e55577bd005/tumblr_mu7rn8FqsG1scdinwo1_500.jpg

08:04:33 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1apWgSk )

08:04:37 mircea_popescu: dat spelling.

08:06:58 scoopbot: New post on fraudsters by Mircea Popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2015/minigame-smg-march-2015-statement/

08:14:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00027 = 3.78 BTC [-]

08:20:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34050 @ 0.00027062 = 9.2146 BTC [+]

08:23:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00027062 = 4.79 BTC [+]

08:50:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53650 @ 0.00027 = 14.4855 BTC [-]

08:54:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82600 @ 0.00027204 = 22.4705 BTC [+] {2}

08:54:19 mats: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11513341/Greece-draws-up-drachma-plans-prepares-to-miss-IMF-payment.html

08:54:21 assbot: Greece draws up drachma plans, prepares to miss IMF payment - Telegraph ... ( http://bit.ly/1BXb9Sz )

08:54:34 mats: it begins

08:55:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27201 @ 0.00027225 = 7.4055 BTC [+] {2}

09:07:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23100 @ 0.00027244 = 6.2934 BTC [+] {2}

09:12:38 cazalla: wtf at that tumblr

09:14:01 cazalla: prob nigs with inferiority complex over da white man making that shit

09:14:36 punkman: nah, gotta be a white boy

09:14:48 mats: lol.

09:16:50 punkman: mats, btw the only greek articles talking about drachma are referencing the Telegraph

09:17:27 mats: interesting

09:18:14 punkman: (as in, check out what the brits are writing now)

09:21:53 cazalla: god damn easter, no bottleshops open and i require more vespene gas

09:30:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8351 @ 0.00027266 = 2.277 BTC [+] {2}

09:46:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15850 @ 0.00027 = 4.2795 BTC [-]

09:59:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27700 @ 0.00027268 = 7.5532 BTC [+]

10:22:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27850 @ 0.00027 = 7.5195 BTC [-]

10:41:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.QNTR] 28000 @ 0.00037719 = 10.5613 BTC [+]

10:43:40 thestringpuller: !t m s.mpoe

10:43:40 assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00023767 / 0.00025767 / 0.00027268 (8072934 shares, 2,080.17 BTC), 7D: 0.00023767 / 0.00026037 / 0.00028207 (41640038 shares, 10,842.13 BTC), 30D: 0.0001443 / 0.00028858 / 0.0004493 (103878194 shares, 29,977.37 BTC)

10:43:42 thestringpuller: !t m s.qntr

10:43:42 assbot: [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0.00037719 / 0.00037719 / 0.00037719 (38885 shares, 14.67 BTC), 7D: 0.00033 / 0.00037706 / 0.00037719 (38985 shares, 14.70 BTC), 30D: 0.00020808 / 0.00031619 / 0.00037719 (68462 shares, 21.65 BTC)

10:43:47 thestringpuller: ^- close the bet

10:45:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40850 @ 0.00027 = 11.0295 BTC [-]

10:46:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29450 @ 0.00027272 = 8.0316 BTC [+] {2}

10:58:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5674 @ 0.000273 = 1.549 BTC [+] {2}

11:02:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19047 @ 0.00027313 = 5.2023 BTC [+] {2}

11:03:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5135 @ 0.00027339 = 1.4039 BTC [+] {2}

11:21:29 nubbins`: <Cogburn> everyone is tired of getting fucked

11:21:41 nubbins`: <asciilifeform> pass the lsd plz.

11:21:48 nubbins`: did i miss a memo or somethin? wild party guise

11:22:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31500 @ 0.00027028 = 8.5138 BTC [-] {2}

11:29:26 nubbins`: <mircea_popescu> so go ahead, sql inject it. <<< actually i just injected an upgrade to my avatar. from this: http://i.imgur.com/IrcdfQJ.png to this: http://i.imgur.com/36Olfei.png

11:29:27 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ia7KHp )

11:29:27 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ia7KHr )

11:30:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70800 @ 0.00027 = 19.116 BTC [-]

11:42:48 nubbins`: <asciilifeform> or my mips-on-fpga that exists nowhere but my living room <<< uh, srs??

11:46:17 nubbins`: *:asciilifeform has a list. <<< seems we've all got different lists of people who will be put against walls for various reasons

11:46:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21500 @ 0.00027367 = 5.8839 BTC [+] {2}

11:47:21 nubbins`: mine's "people who charge big money for graphic design when they're clearly unqualified to do so, resulting in either sad clients or more work for the printer"

11:55:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7670 @ 0.0002738 = 2.1 BTC [+]

11:55:20 nubbins`: <asciilifeform> folks who, to a first approximation, -don't read for pleasure- tend to write rather disconcertingly like a poorer version of what they did read. sorta like vomit looks something like the food at times <<< "This latest tome puts X in the awkward position of having written more books than they've read"

11:57:00 nubbins`: <asciilifeform> node needs to learn own ip somehow <<< can't felch it from the OS at runtime?

12:00:24 nubbins`: <mircea_popescu> ahaha im bashing that paste shit. nubbins you should start your own act. <<< i'm more of a thief in the night when it comes to lels.

12:02:57 nubbins`: asciilifeform just unpacked a laser printer/scanner/copier thingie and went 'wtf' because it weighs maybe half of what the dearly departed predecessor did. must be 95% corn plastic or sumthing <<< scanner bed probably lexan instead of glass, etc ;p

12:03:38 BingoBoingo: Does the scanner not roast the bed with UV?

12:04:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23700 @ 0.00027049 = 6.4106 BTC [-]

12:05:03 nubbins`: i kid. :D

12:05:21 nubbins`: and i'd guess probably not, because why would it produce uv?

12:05:44 nubbins`: seems a waste to emit anything but the visual spectrum

12:05:54 nubbins`: but i talk from a place without knowledge here.

12:06:05 nubbins`: also, plastic scratches

12:06:31 nubbins`: <pete_dushenski> i saw it, just saying that i wouldn't make use of that many <<< my first job as a "web dev", they gave me 1000 business cards. for some reason.

12:07:13 nubbins`: i gave one to my folks and then gave away the rest in chunks of 100 to friends who roll their own, for use as filter

12:07:51 nubbins`: imagine giving a thousand business cards to someone who /does not interact with clients/

12:11:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00027029 = 3.4597 BTC [-] {2}

12:14:21 nubbins`: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2014#533600 <<< ultra-lel

12:14:21 assbot: Logged on 26-02-2014 22:16:56; nubbins`: p liked the shepherd's pie i made

12:14:27 nubbins`: how do i get away with this shit

12:14:35 nubbins`: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2014#533601

12:14:35 assbot: Logged on 26-02-2014 22:17:08; nubbins`: "the key to a woman's puss is through her guts", i said

12:16:07 nubbins`: <mircea_popescu> you know, like "what part of the us is nubs from ?" <<< twodog, iirc, floated the idea of joining usa after the british gave up on us

12:16:18 nubbins`: closest we got was hosting a bunch of US mil bases

12:19:30 nubbins`: <ben_vulpes> bad example. canada is just unannexed right now. <<< i lel'd heartily, i must say

12:21:19 nubbins`: as if the future path of north america is single-country

12:23:07 nubbins`: <mircea_popescu> dat spelling. <<< i'm so broud of you

12:23:36 nubbins`: incidentally, "broud" reminds me of this movie: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Clan_of_the_Cave_Bear_%28film%29

12:23:37 assbot: The Clan of the Cave Bear (film) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1G8XnTB )

12:23:47 nubbins`: broud was DTF at all times

12:25:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15650 @ 0.0002738 = 4.285 BTC [+]

12:28:30 BingoBoingo: <nubbins`> as if the future path of north america is single-country << Sure it is, Go Go Los Zetas

12:28:41 BingoBoingo: Or Sinaloa, or whoever

12:30:27 nubbins`: zetas vs zapatistas

12:34:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34550 @ 0.0002738 = 9.4598 BTC [+] {2}

12:48:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14559 @ 0.00027 = 3.9309 BTC [-]

12:56:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26486 @ 0.00027 = 7.1512 BTC [-]

12:57:45 []bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $150 before July" http://bitbet.us/bet/1133/ Odds: 19(Y):81(N) by coin, 20(Y):80(N) by weight. Total bet: 11.61572615 BTC. Current weight: 93,697.

13:32:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27150 @ 0.00027 = 7.3305 BTC [-]

13:36:11 nubbins`: "I'm a musician that supports Bitcoin! Check out my weird shitty demos!"

13:36:13 nubbins`: ...no?

13:36:17 nubbins`: my sides

13:36:22 nubbins`: youth today, i tell ya.

13:36:31 nubbins`: they realy go overboard with the self-deprecation

13:36:37 nubbins`: *really

13:36:55 nubbins`: dat defense against future criticisms

13:37:10 nubbins`: guy obv thinks it's cool otherwise he wouldn't share it

13:37:28 nubbins`: but he fears others will think it sucks, or worse, that his taste is so poor that it *does* suck and he just doesn't see it

13:37:38 nubbins`: so he hedges

13:37:46 nubbins`: and warns you that it sucks while he shows it off

13:47:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22500 @ 0.00027384 = 6.1614 BTC [+]

13:48:47 mircea_popescu: jurov the idea being that putin didn't write himself a piece of paper saying "hey if i don't like you it's ok to take your stuff". or if he wrote, he didn't sign. or if he signed, he didn't publish. etc.

13:48:55 mircea_popescu: not that he wouldn't, mind you.

13:58:36 danielpbarron: height=310563 vs height=219979

13:59:38 Chillum: geez, my client is up to Nov 2014 and it says it is at 70% complete. Is 30% of the blockchain volume really since November?:

14:04:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7312 @ 0.00027384 = 2.0023 BTC [+]

14:06:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00027371 = 2.0528 BTC [-]

14:06:17 mircea_popescu: Chillum yes.

14:06:36 Chillum: wow that is some increase in volume

14:06:52 mircea_popescu: people, the sort who imagine themselves "part of the community" for no reason, not being able to pass even the minimal qual of running a node, have nfi just how heavy 1mb blocks are

14:06:59 mircea_popescu: note that they're almost never full, either.

14:09:21 Chillum: the percent of people who run a rull node will continue to drop

14:09:38 Chillum: s/rull/run/

14:09:40 nubbins`: ^

14:11:14 mircea_popescu: the % yes.

14:11:29 mircea_popescu: necessarily, as something becomes "popular" the percentage of imbeciles increases.

14:11:48 mircea_popescu: just look at "computer programming"

14:11:51 Chillum: any system will have to live with imbeciles

14:11:57 Chillum: on Earth at least

14:12:02 mircea_popescu: live with, sure.

14:12:17 mircea_popescu: make it possible for imbeciles to live with it, not really.

14:13:10 mircea_popescu: so apparently this chick wanted to open a coinbase account. they told her to make a blog, as part of their newer, friendlier KYC regulations. so she did. here it is : http://mandyswanson.tumblr.com/

14:13:11 assbot: Mandy-Claire Swanson ... ( http://bit.ly/1EQJBVj )

14:13:12 mircea_popescu: tru story.

14:13:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17813 @ 0.00027384 = 4.8779 BTC [+]

14:13:58 Chillum: sooo know your customers is now extended to learning about their hobbies and personality?

14:14:04 Chillum: what does a blog accomplish?

14:14:08 Chillum: anyone can make a fake one

14:14:30 Chillum: I prefer KFC to KYC

14:14:34 mircea_popescu: i don't think anyone could have made a fake this one.

14:15:16 Chillum: I have only met a few of my customers, I do NOT want to know them

14:15:37 mircea_popescu: tough.

14:15:41 Chillum: the general population has a strong tendency for crazies

14:16:13 mircea_popescu: it's the law Chillum !

14:16:53 Chillum: in Canada you don't need to ip a tx is under $3k a day and under $10K in a year

14:16:59 Chillum: s/ip/id/

14:17:15 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1086243 << epic. i wish to see how this drachma goes.

14:17:15 assbot: Logged on 03-04-2015 08:54:21; assbot: Greece draws up drachma plans, prepares to miss IMF payment - Telegraph ... ( http://bit.ly/1BXb9Sz )

14:17:30 mircea_popescu: maybe next they can leech some money off the russians for a while, making promises ?

14:17:47 mircea_popescu: Chillum what do you mean "in canada"

14:18:08 Chillum: Greece, those guys were buying gold coins from me more than the whole rest of the world combined during their bailout

14:18:17 Chillum: It is a big country that I live in

14:18:57 mircea_popescu: us first best only country.

14:19:28 Chillum: us?

14:19:32 nubbins`: a

14:19:53 nubbins`: canada isn't really a country so much as it is a collection of geographically and culturally disparate regions

14:20:16 nubbins`: take chillum, myself, and a quebecois

14:20:27 nubbins`: probably our only common threads are that we like poutine and smoke trees

14:20:39 Chillum: poutine is gross. Sorry, but it is

14:20:53 Chillum: perhaps they just make it bad around here, but the french guys love it

14:21:17 nubbins`: most poutine around here is totally bastardized

14:21:20 nubbins`: stretch mozza instead of curds

14:21:24 mircea_popescu: !up gabridome

14:21:44 nubbins`: with real curds and a thick gravy on some home fries, it's divine

14:21:56 Chillum: the fries always are soggy, I like crispy fries

14:22:15 nubbins`: see? nothing in common

14:22:21 nubbins`: totally culturally disparate

14:22:27 Chillum: Vancouver Island is a culture of its own

14:22:41 nubbins`: so is newfoundland island

14:22:59 Chillum: we are a mosaic, not a melting pot. We want disparite cultures

14:23:05 nubbins`: for those of you who do not grasp the size of canada, europe is closer to me than vancouver is

14:23:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10150 @ 0.00027387 = 2.7798 BTC [+] {2}

14:23:39 Chillum: and the 15% of it to the south west has nice weather for several months a year

14:23:57 nubbins`: in fact, romania is closer to me than vancouver

14:24:24 Chillum: I always love it when the weather channel is showing ice storms out east and that we have daffodils blooming on the Island

14:24:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77269 @ 0.00027433 = 21.1972 BTC [+] {3}

14:24:36 nubbins`: heh

14:24:40 nubbins`: it was 12C here three days ago

14:24:43 nubbins`: yesterday: snow

14:24:53 Chillum: of course every winter all the homeless from out east come to victoria/vancover to live

14:25:01 mircea_popescu: "Greece no longer has enough money to pay the IMF ?498m on April 9, and also to cover payments for salaries and social security on April 14"

14:25:02 mircea_popescu: herp.

14:25:10 Chillum: they have plenty of gold

14:25:25 nubbins`: Chillum and every summer they come back to st john's :D

14:25:30 nubbins`: ah, the seasonal homeless

14:25:35 mircea_popescu: Chillum greece is the main example of a certain way to run a country, which is : make promises to whatever power, then not keep the promises see what it does.

14:25:47 mircea_popescu: italy was run this way pretty much 500ad - 2015 ad.

14:25:55 Chillum: yup. They are handling the global currency collapse in a very tactical manner

14:26:08 mircea_popescu: ocasionally the hre would come over, the local whores (ie, married women) fucked the soldiers raw.

14:26:08 nubbins`: sign a lease, move out a month early and leave 35 bags worth of trash behind

14:26:41 Chillum: we don't give them places to live

14:26:45 mircea_popescu: not even. sign the lease, expect leasor to buy you drinks at the bar, sublet the place to a bunch of other dudes, never pay a dime in rent

14:26:53 Chillum: finding a place to live around here is hard even for a local

14:26:57 mircea_popescu: THEN leave, two months late and leave dead hookers in the matresses.

14:27:08 Chillum: we have almost no vacancies here

14:27:16 nubbins`: vacancy was below 1% here for a while

14:27:22 nubbins`: market's cooling off now

14:27:43 Chillum: If you want a place you basically have to wait for the university to let out, so once a year

14:28:04 nubbins`: or around the new year when all the first-year students flunk out

14:28:07 nubbins`: but who wants to move in winter?

14:28:23 mircea_popescu: ?We may have to go into a silent arrears process" << check it out, they have a word for it and everything!

14:28:30 nubbins`: silent arrears

14:28:31 nubbins`: i like that

14:28:41 mircea_popescu: nonono

14:28:43 nubbins`: "we won't tell anyone when the money is gone"

14:28:47 Chillum: is that like a silent fart?

14:28:50 mircea_popescu: you don't understand. A silent arrears PROCESS.

14:28:53 nubbins`: o o o!

14:28:59 nubbins`: my focus was diverted

14:29:00 mircea_popescu: you see ? a! like, there are others, this is just one of a class!

14:29:05 mircea_popescu: and it's a process!

14:29:12 nubbins`: dat process

14:29:13 mircea_popescu: not a state or anything, phenomena baby.

14:29:19 nubbins`: i bet they have a "roadmap"

14:29:24 mircea_popescu: o, obviously.

14:29:32 nubbins`: 1) use all moniez

14:29:32 mircea_popescu: i dunno who the overgrown infants think they're fooling,

14:29:34 mircea_popescu: but it must be someone.

14:29:36 nubbins`: 2) ???

14:29:42 nubbins`: 3) profit!

14:30:09 mircea_popescu: anyway, i kinda like the way this works.

14:30:27 mircea_popescu: basically, in the 70s stupid dudes in government decided to force men to pay for stupid women in the house.

14:30:44 mircea_popescu: the process took a few decades to come to roost, but now stupid countries are behaving comensurate with that.

14:31:05 mircea_popescu: so... i suppose the us, germany and whoever else has money must pay for the house where greece fucks random dudes and "raises the children"

14:31:13 mircea_popescu: it's teh law!

14:31:37 mircea_popescu: and, obviously, the "welfare of the children" is the chief concern.

14:31:40 mircea_popescu: so, payup.

14:31:46 nubbins`: bbl

14:36:25 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, this greek stuff is a fine test of the whole array of lizard hitler theory. clearly he couldn't possibly allow this, right ? when's the last time someone defaulted to the britton woods system ? when's the last time a government said fu, we're not going to do what you want us to do so we fail electorally ?

14:36:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7400 @ 0.00027454 = 2.0316 BTC [+]

14:38:38 Chillum: longing for the days of feudalism?

14:39:00 Chillum: back then if you could not manage a land it was given to someone else

14:39:45 mircea_popescu: i don't think feudalism is avoidable since internet.

14:40:01 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1086281 << srs, hang people for that ? it's just fucking design.

14:40:01 assbot: Logged on 03-04-2015 11:47:21; nubbins`: mine's "people who charge big money for graphic design when they're clearly unqualified to do so, resulting in either sad clients or more work for the printer"

14:40:12 mircea_popescu: next you're going to want to hang badly dressed women, and then where will we be.

14:40:17 Chillum: when more complex forms of government fail it always reverts to a simpler form

14:40:52 Chillum: it seems current government and monetary policies seek to be intentionally complex to avoid understanding of it

14:40:58 mircea_popescu: Chillum a) feudalism is the most complex form to date b) democracy hasn't failed, it succeeded. like communism. turns out nobody can stand its final form.

14:41:15 mircea_popescu: mebbe see http://fraudsters.com/2015/why-representative-democracy-doesnt-work-and-doesnt-make-sense/

14:41:16 assbot: Why "representative democracy" doesn't work and doesn't make sense pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1EQRGcB )

14:55:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00027454 = 5.4359 BTC [+]

15:01:08 mircea_popescu: !up cnerd

15:01:43 mircea_popescu: shoot.

15:01:53 cnerd: yea, ok, awesome

15:02:04 cnerd: I see that you have encountered these dudes DD4BC some time ago

15:02:19 mircea_popescu: !s dd4bc

15:02:20 assbot: 1 results for 'dd4bc' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=dd4bc

15:03:00 mircea_popescu: weirdly this rings no bells.

15:03:19 cnerd: let me remind you :)

15:03:19 cnerd: http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-lulz-of-today-ddos-attacks-ransom-notes-tor-anonimity-and-other-faits-darmes-of-the-retarded-generation/

15:03:20 assbot: The lulz of today : DDoS attacks, ransom notes, Tor anonimity and other faits d'armes of the retarded generation on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1BW6bEI )

15:03:39 mircea_popescu: o wait, with the ddos. ok ok.

15:04:04 cnerd: yea, same dude(s). So, what happened, did they follow up with a more serious attack afterwards?

15:04:27 mircea_popescu: not that i'm specifically aware. probably, at least tried.

15:05:07 cnerd: so, nothing serious, i guess? They gave up pretty fast, didnt they?

15:06:46 mircea_popescu: well, it's not so cut and dried. the thing is inequality online is readily misrepresented because things appear for no good reason as very equalitarian. take the much related fetlife debacle (here : https://www.google.com/search?q=fraudsters+fetlife+butthurt )

15:06:47 assbot: fraudsters fetlife butthurt - Google zoeken ... ( http://bit.ly/1BW76oT )

15:07:03 mircea_popescu: so they sent a bs complaint, i replied, they sent a dmca, i counternotified, they went away beaten.

15:07:26 mircea_popescu: would they have done the same if i didn't have a lawyer ready to sue ? no. had the dc been more scared of me than of them if i hadn't etc ? no.

15:07:38 mircea_popescu: so, it can be very serious or not serious at all depending on who you are.

15:07:54 mircea_popescu: do you own your servers which you colocate ? do you rent time on a shared server ? these things matter.

15:08:45 cnerd: I pretty much understand what you are saying. Thanks for your time, man, you were incredibly helpful

15:08:47 mircea_popescu: they happen to matter a whole of a heck more than whether you're either right or reasonable, as it happens.

15:08:51 mircea_popescu: np.

15:09:41 asciilifeform: ;;later tell nubbins` can't felch it from the OS at runtime? << os does not know your external ip, if you are behind a nat. as, e.g., a pogo is overwhelmingly likely to be.

15:09:42 gribble: The operation succeeded.

15:10:08 mircea_popescu: you know incidentally this fucking sucks.

15:10:24 mircea_popescu: artifexd baby we need that thing so we can use it as a model to make a new dhcp too!

15:10:34 asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> there asciilifeform, i found you rishonim precedent in the kotzker rebbe discussion of buffet's plight. << anybody have a talmud handy ?

15:11:14 asciilifeform: scanner bed probably lexan instead of glass, etc << nah it was glass. but the whole rest of the thing appear to be plastic, except for a few pins and motor casings.

15:12:02 mircea_popescu: okok. rishonim as opposed to achronim, modern commentary as opposed to ancient. and the kotzker guy is just some famous rabbi.

15:12:56 asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform incidentally, this greek stuff is a fine test of the whole array of lizard hitler theory. clearly he couldn't possibly allow this, right ? when's the last time someone defaulted << greece et al are resource-burners. like wherever it was that '30s u.s. farmers burned wheat and poured out milk into latrines. the paper serfdom that results from the eventual 're-creditation' of the delinquent debtors

15:12:56 asciilifeform: is just a bonus.

15:13:06 artifexd: A dhcp?

15:13:24 mircea_popescu: yes.

15:13:48 mircea_popescu: universal ip, as a sha512 hash. no more of this "os doesn't know its ip" bs.

15:14:05 asciilifeform: ipv6-style ?

15:14:17 mircea_popescu: who the fuck thought that's even a workable scheme...

15:14:22 asciilifeform: which?

15:14:26 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no. ipv6 is fatally flawed in that it has no wot.

15:14:30 asciilifeform: well sure

15:14:31 mircea_popescu: the ipv4.

15:14:50 asciilifeform: ipv4 works other than the no-wot aspect

15:14:57 mircea_popescu: lmao

15:15:24 asciilifeform: 'this cow is great except that it was bombed at guernica and doesn't look much like a cow any more'

15:15:31 mircea_popescu: you mean ipv4 works other than the "it doesn't allow every idiot online" aspect. gotta keep it under 10 mn or so.

15:15:36 asciilifeform: aha.

15:16:15 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform re greece, i see that they're resource burners. that's not the q.

15:16:22 mircea_popescu: the q is, they just made a claim to sovereignity.

15:16:49 asciilifeform: they can make a claim to being martians with telepathic powers. my answer is answer to why no one comes in with bulldozer and whore cages

15:17:07 mircea_popescu: i don't see how it answers that ?

15:17:47 asciilifeform: they do exactly what is expected of'em.

15:17:56 mircea_popescu: there is after all a difference between farmer burning his own crop and guy going and burning other people's things.

15:18:00 asciilifeform: sorta like u.s. credit card chumps

15:18:06 mircea_popescu: well yes but this can be said universally of anyone.

15:18:16 asciilifeform: when other people helpfully bring you their things to burn

15:18:38 mircea_popescu: seems to me a misrepresentation of the situation.

15:18:38 asciilifeform: last i checked, greek panzers weren't overrunning germany and collecting all that isn't screwed down

15:18:47 mircea_popescu: the imf didn't give them money so as not to get it back.

15:19:00 mircea_popescu: so they're fraudsters rather than thieves ?

15:19:05 asciilifeform: aha

15:19:08 mircea_popescu: undisputed, but what does it help.

15:19:15 asciilifeform: but the symbiotic fraud described by orlov et al

15:19:19 mircea_popescu: all conmen ever claim to live at the pleasure of the king, of course.

15:19:22 mircea_popescu: but... they do not in fact.

15:20:05 asciilifeform: the other function of feeding the greeks is to prevent them from coming up for islamic fire sale like they did last time.

15:20:22 mircea_popescu: how come nobody is lending the ukraine 100 bn then ?

15:20:29 mircea_popescu: they could waste it better than the greeks their 20.

15:20:33 asciilifeform: they did, and did!

15:20:44 mircea_popescu: nah, they got some pittance, bn and half.

15:20:46 asciilifeform: not quite 100

15:20:47 asciilifeform: aha

15:21:15 asciilifeform: why does one u.s. idiot get a 50K 'platinum' while another a 0.5K 'turd' ?

15:21:18 asciilifeform: same idea

15:21:30 mircea_popescu: anyway, i think putin is having string orgasms. imagine, greece in a compact with russia! sub bases ALL THROUGH THE ISLANDS.

15:21:41 mircea_popescu: ru navy staff is probably all drunk today

15:22:30 mircea_popescu: worst mission in the history of armed forces. "here are some fjords. find the subs. ALL OF THEM."

15:22:57 punkman: they are probably waiting until the US bases run out of money

15:23:14 mircea_popescu: unless they can find a way to run them in a vms or something.

15:24:03 mircea_popescu: from a greek perspective, switching bases every 10 years would be the best outcome, they can hire poor polacks to manage for the construction work.

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15:27:25 punkman: ah they are gonna pay after all http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/04/03/us-eurozone-greece-payment-idUSKBN0MU0M620150403

15:27:26 assbot: Greece says ready to make IMF payment on April 9 | Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1MLihMi )

15:27:51 mircea_popescu: is that actual or reuters confabulating

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15:29:07 mircea_popescu: "Mr. Theocharakis never characterized the technical teams of the institutions with the phrase attributed to him," the ministry said in a statement. "On the contrary ... he referred to them as saying they include 'top-notch people with impressive skills.'"

15:29:36 mircea_popescu: alol k. "and then the greek word for hot sexy teen was mistranslated by the hebrew word for baren ugly old hag!"

15:29:50 punkman: heh

15:35:01 mats: http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/dsm/4958797469.html

15:35:03 assbot: best of craigslist: Disk Ripper for sale ... ( http://bit.ly/1BWeWi0 )

15:36:11 trinque: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20150402/15274630528/fbi-uncovers-another-its-own-plots-senator-feinstein-responds-saying-we-should-censor-internet.shtml << have to censor the internet because of the Anarchist's Cookbook... what year is it?!?!

15:36:13 assbot: FBI Uncovers Another Of Its Own Plots, Senator Feinstein Responds By Saying We Should Censor The Internet | Techdirt ... ( http://bit.ly/1BWfdSn )

15:37:03 Chillum: Senators are funny

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15:45:44 mircea_popescu: "we" ? what fucking we.

15:45:54 mircea_popescu: there's no we. scammers always start with this "we" business.

15:49:42 Chillum: we are not amused

15:57:05 asciilifeform: the mega-l0l of 'cookbook' is that it was usg-authored originally.

15:57:51 asciilifeform: (though i cannot say whether the most supremely ludicrous recipes, like the 'banana dope', date to the original authorship or not)

16:00:30 asciilifeform: http://news.yahoo.com/u-arrests-two-women-over-alleged-bomb-plot-155326569.html ^ the l0l from trinque's link

16:00:32 assbot: Two New York City women accused of planning 'terrorist attack' - Yahoo News ... ( http://bit.ly/1MLqi3Y )

16:00:35 asciilifeform: so they're doing gurlz now.

16:00:39 asciilifeform: that, i suppose, is new.

16:01:18 Chillum: soon you will have to take your bra off in airports

16:01:32 *: Chillum needs the support!

16:02:01 asciilifeform: the day of the first uterus bomb approaches.

16:02:04 trinque: asciilifeform: I knew a kid in junior high who was convinced the banana peel thing was real

16:02:10 trinque: fuckin moron he was

16:02:10 asciilifeform: trinque: he tested ?

16:02:24 trinque: I think he tried to rot some banana peels, yeah

16:02:28 trinque: or whatever the procedure was

16:02:29 Chillum: I imagine smoking most plant matter will do _something_

16:02:39 Chillum: if only make you dizzy

16:03:11 trinque: probably inhaling sand would make you a bit dizzy

16:03:52 asciilifeform: 'The women, former roommates in the city borough of Queens, had researched how to build an explosive device and had read textbooks on electricity and watched online videos about soldering, it said.'

16:03:55 asciilifeform: soldering!

16:03:58 asciilifeform: burn the witches.

16:04:22 asciilifeform: 'When they were arrested, agents found bomb-building materials including propane gas tanks, soldering tools, pipes, a pressure cooker and fertilizer, authorities said.'

16:04:39 asciilifeform: ^ how many folks on my street qualify to join these gurlz in the jail.

16:05:53 trinque: sounds like an average suburban shed

16:06:02 Chillum: reading textbooks!

16:06:16 asciilifeform: watched online videos about soldering !

16:06:18 nubbins`: i think all this uint stuff is just a symptom of our boost installs being totally hosed

16:06:36 asciilifeform: nubbins`: uses same boost as my original portatronic

16:06:44 asciilifeform: nubbins`: which worked flawlessly on my boxes

16:06:54 nubbins`: sure, i mean i don't think it's putting itself together properly

16:06:55 nubbins`: check this out

16:07:12 nubbins`: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=3x19hUaP

16:07:13 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1F9iCPs )

16:07:30 nubbins`: that was my latest, right? after i applied the kill int and dns snip patches

16:07:45 nubbins`: but notice how each error lists /home/nubs/dev/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/ourlibs/include/boost/cstdint.hpp:263

16:07:46 asciilifeform: nubbins`: this is a -result- of my int patch

16:07:52 nubbins`: o

16:07:53 asciilifeform: it doesn't really fix things

16:08:16 nubbins`: anyway, i actually went into cstdint.hpp and replaced a few uint32_t instances with boost::uint32_t

16:08:25 nubbins`: and now when i run ./auto.sh, i get:

16:08:31 asciilifeform: because what ends up happening is that the uints end up being undefined in at least one place -without- the patch, but -defined more than once- if -with-

16:08:56 nubbins`: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=P58bTpz3

16:08:57 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1F9iS12 )

16:10:27 nubbins`: i'm admittedly out of my league here but that's complete vomit from 9 different orifices

16:15:29 nubbins`: ah fuck

16:15:37 nubbins`: no, that's not the right way to do it at all

16:15:53 nubbins`: hold on now

16:17:11 mircea_popescu: lmao electricity and soldering.

16:17:19 mircea_popescu: fascinating just how ignorant muricans are these days.

16:18:02 mike_c: because the average ____ knows how to solder?

16:18:16 mircea_popescu: i would expect ?

16:18:22 mircea_popescu: the average romanian knows how to solder.

16:18:58 mircea_popescu: what's to know, even. and don't give me the ny longshoreman's union line.

16:19:26 mike_c: not much to know, but it's not genetic.

16:19:30 mike_c: gotta learn sometime

16:20:32 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: average ro gurl knows ?

16:20:36 mircea_popescu: yeah, generally when dad's tinkering in garage.

16:20:48 mircea_popescu: no, average gurl can make goulash.

16:20:56 mircea_popescu: "The complaint said Siddiqui had been in contact with al Qaeda members and Velentzas was Facebook friends with Tairod Pugh, a U.S. Air Force veteran charged with attempting to aid Islamic State, a militant group that holds territory in Iraq and Syria. Pugh, 47, of Neptune, New Jersey, pleaded not guilty last month."

16:21:00 mircea_popescu: they pleaded!!!!

16:21:09 mircea_popescu: ah the adorbs imbecility of the english speaker.

16:21:25 mircea_popescu: inb4 pleaderated.

16:21:34 ben_vulpes: pleadarasty

16:21:34 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and i don't think they even have peine forte et dure any more, in the english lands.

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16:28:35 nubbins`: total noob q here, why does boost redefine all these stdint types anyway

16:36:09 asciilifeform: nubbins`: because it was written by pig-men

16:36:49 nubbins`: lel.

16:37:17 nubbins`: y'know debian etc are probably just assuming one definition or the other

16:37:27 nubbins`: rather than halting at the ambiguity

16:37:51 nubbins`: if you wanna play whack-a-mole, here's a start: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Cnbdqf0Y

16:37:52 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GScSOP )

16:37:52 trinque: when presented with an ambiguous choice, always best to choose arbitrarily

16:37:54 trinque: lol

16:38:23 nubbins`: the correct way would i guess be to rip the boost namespace out of there

16:38:31 nubbins`: and explicitly declare it when needed

16:38:41 nubbins`: but i can imagine this'd be a bit of a task

16:39:42 nubbins`: unless there's a pressing need to use non-boost types, it's prob fine to just explicitly use the boost ones. not like the libs aren't being included anyway

16:42:10 asciilifeform: nubbins`: except then the non-boost libs cough and die

16:42:34 asciilifeform: what must be discovered is - why this happens during this static build

16:42:41 asciilifeform: and not otherwise.

16:43:02 asciilifeform: my present hypothesis is that gcc is making 'unprincipled exceptions' for stdint.

16:43:06 asciilifeform: (see earlier thread.)

16:43:42 nubbins`: incidentally, there ARE other declarations of uint32_t in those files

16:43:55 asciilifeform: but they presumably agree with one another

16:43:56 nubbins`: they all appear to have the boost:: prefix except for the couple of instances in above patch

16:44:05 asciilifeform: (and with libs)

16:44:11 nubbins`: why these random couple of instances don't have boost:: is beyond me

16:44:14 asciilifeform: that -or- gcc simply doesn't get there

16:44:22 asciilifeform: dies before they get evaluated.

16:44:44 asciilifeform: this is another aspect of 'c/cpp ecosystem' that rattles nerves

16:44:48 nubbins`: seems weird you'd fall back to the non-boost version for these couple of random instances.

16:44:57 asciilifeform: you -don't actually ever know- if the barf you now have is the -total- barf.

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16:48:27 jurov: there could be some c++ namespace hackery

16:48:38 nubbins`: oh there's that.

16:48:47 asciilifeform: jurov: aha yes there is, look.

16:48:55 jurov: so that the boost:: prefix is needed depending on what is #included

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17:03:12 asciilifeform: trinque: that indictment is pure gold

17:03:17 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: qntra ^ ?

17:04:54 jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1086332 you mean such decrees as this? http://valdaiclub.com/russia_in_foreign_media/56980.html

17:04:54 assbot: Logged on 03-04-2015 13:48:47; mircea_popescu: jurov the idea being that putin didn't write himself a piece of paper saying "hey if i don't like you it's ok to take your stuff". or if he wrote, he didn't sign. or if he signed, he didn't publish. etc.

17:04:56 assbot: Putin decree targets elite’s foreign assets ... ( http://bit.ly/1CCcT6s )

17:05:44 asciilifeform: jurov: if you were king you would let sc4mz0rz squirrel away the nation's wealth in american banks ?

17:05:48 mircea_popescu: "into the country?s top-level bureaucrats and state employees "

17:05:51 mircea_popescu: see the difference ?

17:06:13 mircea_popescu: confiscating the bureaucracy's "money" is not even on the table.

17:06:25 mircea_popescu: anything anyone owns on the grounds of having interacted with a government is to be taken outright.

17:07:43 jurov: lol, you have never interacted with the govt?

17:07:51 mircea_popescu: nope.

17:07:54 jurov: or anyone in the US had?

17:07:58 mircea_popescu: that's their problem.

17:08:05 mircea_popescu: but no, i never cashed a govt paycheck.

17:08:13 mircea_popescu: which is why i don't have to report my fortune etc.

17:08:25 jurov: you ever paid any taxes?

17:08:32 mircea_popescu: all the time.

17:08:46 jurov: and that's not "having interacted"?

17:09:01 mircea_popescu: not what i meant eh.

17:09:07 asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> anything anyone owns on the grounds of having interacted

17:09:09 asciilifeform: owns

17:09:11 asciilifeform: not 'lost'

17:09:34 asciilifeform: perhaps converse is to be inserted as well - anything that one -lost- from interacting with government, ought to be returned.

17:09:43 asciilifeform: except thermodynamics gets in the way

17:09:47 asciilifeform: they long ate and shat it.

17:10:01 Chillum: feed it to the mushrooms

17:10:17 Chillum: feed them shit, keep them in the dark

17:10:35 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i can see a plan to have everyone who ever worked for a government shipped to the salt mines until the whole sum is made back.

17:10:49 mircea_popescu: "here's how much you group of criminals owe. the pay is X an hour. get busy."

17:10:51 jurov: aha. and why it's so important that putin "didn't write", but just takes as he seems fit without elaborating on paper?

17:11:00 mircea_popescu: because rule of law jurov.

17:11:18 mircea_popescu: it's one thing to be a thief, it's another to pretend not to be a thief.

17:11:48 mircea_popescu: which is why i write about people like bfl on fraudsters, but not about any one of the countless heists.

17:11:48 asciilifeform: jurov: what thing of yours did mr p take? i'd like to hear the full story here

17:12:04 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well how'd he know.

17:13:09 jurov: alf whines all the time about as if obama took something from him.. so i'm trying to compare

17:13:20 asciilifeform: jurov: mr o takes half of what i make.

17:13:26 asciilifeform: and then some

17:13:33 asciilifeform: and will probably sign my hanging papers eventually

17:13:35 mircea_popescu: they have taxes in russia too don';t they ?

17:13:40 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 15% flat

17:13:42 asciilifeform: FLAT

17:13:54 asciilifeform: last i checked.

17:14:02 mircea_popescu: ya ya, except if you become an "oligarch", then they invent imaginary arears and steal your shit.

17:14:13 trinque: asciilifeform: what has you so convinced your head is going to roll?

17:14:19 asciilifeform: which 'oligarch' didn't steal 'his' money from the public in ru ?

17:14:22 asciilifeform: during 'privatization'

17:14:27 mircea_popescu: entirely different story.

17:14:48 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not different at all. <mircea_popescu> anything anyone owns on the grounds of having interacted with a government is to be taken outright.

17:14:50 mircea_popescu: "steal from the public" is what, microsoft ? jp manufacturer of resistors ?

17:15:14 asciilifeform: how did the dekulakized folks in ru make their dough ?

17:15:29 mircea_popescu: well, the papers show they bought and sold.

17:15:32 mircea_popescu: this is fine.

17:15:39 mircea_popescu: they didn't, yoiu know, take employment with the govt.

17:15:40 asciilifeform: 'bought' for fire sale price from dead lion

17:15:41 mircea_popescu: and so...

17:15:46 mircea_popescu: not their problem.

17:15:47 asciilifeform: as crown concession from new regime

17:15:51 asciilifeform: crown gave - crown took.

17:15:53 mircea_popescu: also not their problem.

17:15:54 mircea_popescu: mno.

17:16:06 mircea_popescu: if i buy something from you, you're not "taking" it.

17:16:31 asciilifeform: if i'm only 'selling' for a penny because you torched my house the day before - then yes, took.

17:16:31 mircea_popescu: these are unequal things. commerce is between equal parties. employment is between unequal parties.

17:16:41 mircea_popescu: it makes no difference. don't want to sell, don't sell.

17:16:58 asciilifeform: the commerce between the arsonist and his victim is not commerce.

17:16:59 mircea_popescu: otherwise we'll start having to take back the ilk of shrem because hey, "they torched his house".

17:17:03 mircea_popescu: you still don't fucking sign.

17:17:20 mircea_popescu: once you've settled, you've settled.

17:17:44 asciilifeform: i mean i get the basic idea, 'to the victor - the spoils, to the vanqushed - the tears'

17:18:04 mircea_popescu: it's just, unlike things are and remain unlike.

17:18:09 asciilifeform: but what's with the dress-up games. if tomorrow yesterday's victor and vanquished switch places - the former doesn't get to whine about 'violations'

17:18:22 asciilifeform: same right of might as his original rape

17:18:24 mircea_popescu: depends on how the stuff was formalised.

17:18:27 asciilifeform: except the cock's on the other pudenda now.

17:18:36 mircea_popescu: which is what rule of law is all about.

17:18:49 mircea_popescu: if tomorrow it is discovered bharara was acting under mere color of law,

17:18:57 mircea_popescu: the people who didn't sign a confession walk

17:19:02 mircea_popescu: the people who did sign a confession stay in.

17:19:04 asciilifeform: if the law gets scrapped and re-written every time the throne changes hands - what is the law ?

17:19:17 mircea_popescu: that really has no bearing on the case here.

17:19:17 Chillum: If I was involved in the formation of a new regime I would institute a policy of mercy on the old regime. If only because any new regime is likely to be taken over by the next

17:19:32 Chillum: want to set a precedent

17:19:36 mircea_popescu: Chillum it's a stupider idea than you realise.

17:19:36 *: mats slaps forehead

17:19:44 asciilifeform: Chillum: we all get eaten by worms in the end. why not start now. right ?

17:19:57 asciilifeform: l0l

17:19:58 Chillum: I intend to be eaten by wolves

17:20:04 mircea_popescu: consider the matter in terms you're better equipped to handle. if, upon breaking up a girl with her former boyfriend, you institute a policy that she may fuck him whenever,

17:20:05 mats: kill yourself

17:20:15 mircea_popescu: you're merely stating that you're not really the new boyfriend.

17:20:16 trinque: maybe Chillum is referring to what happened in Iraq for example, where former baathists end up in ISIS

17:20:17 asciilifeform: mats: he can't, no wolf in sight yet

17:20:22 mircea_popescu: they'll revert and you'll be out of the loop soon enough.

17:20:26 Chillum: trinque: ^^

17:20:33 Chillum: yup

17:20:42 Chillum: plan for failure

17:20:51 mircea_popescu: if you plan for failure, go home.

17:20:54 mats: ought to have properly executed every last baathist.

17:21:04 Chillum: failure to plan for failure is the ultimate failure

17:21:07 mircea_popescu: ha. you and what army mats ?

17:21:17 trinque: "they" "should"

17:21:22 trinque: the them!

17:21:25 asciilifeform: anyone recall the folk tale where the headsman is ordered to chop own head ?

17:21:26 mircea_popescu: oic. yes, they should. and they actually do.

17:21:36 mircea_popescu: part of why isis seems respectable where the usarmy does not.

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17:23:26 asciilifeform: i'll respect when they build so much as one mosfet. or a hydro plant. or own radar array. or at least stop using fucking caesar ciphers.

17:23:39 trinque: asciilifeform: can't, science is from satan

17:23:55 trinque: maybe they're respectable like one respects a forest fire

17:23:57 asciilifeform: trinque: atheist kalash is also from satan, doesn't prevent the 'doublethink'

17:24:13 asciilifeform: trinque: forest fires can't be tricked and tripped like a child.

17:24:16 trinque: not in terms of thinking creatures, though

17:24:44 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well yeah, if they actually were intellectually respectable i'd prolly be there.

17:24:59 mircea_popescu: but we were discussing agency rather than techne here

17:25:01 asciilifeform: when the ancients anthropomorphisized nature and 'respected', e.g., the sea, it was because it was -indomitable-

17:25:11 mircea_popescu: not necessarily.

17:25:15 asciilifeform: go try respect a puddle

17:25:26 trinque: it's too early in the morning for this zen shit

17:25:28 trinque: :p

17:25:51 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform danae fucked a (pee) puddle was pregnant.

17:26:36 trinque: seems like isis is just good kindling for a larger middle eastern war

17:27:37 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: rain, not puddle

17:27:39 asciilifeform: rain is respectable.

17:27:46 trinque: I wouldn't expect them to continue to exist if/when that kicks off

17:27:53 mircea_popescu: golden rain tho.

17:27:56 mircea_popescu: if that's not piss...

17:27:58 trinque: though I wish I understood the saudi/iran dynamic more

17:28:04 mircea_popescu: (and yes, you can end up pregnant from piss)

17:28:18 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: pH ?

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17:28:37 mircea_popescu: the little buggers are really persistent.

17:28:39 asciilifeform: i suppose you only need one spermatozoid

17:29:08 asciilifeform: (though modern data suggests they have flock dynamics and pheromonal strange, like ants)

17:29:20 mircea_popescu: which is weird, considering.

17:29:31 mircea_popescu: but yeah, i recall some stuff about how white sperms beat up black sperms.

17:30:11 *: asciilifeform does not recall 'fighting sperm' but there was the gradient-following thing

17:31:36 trinque: https://www.theverge.com/2014/7/29/5948003/scientists-discover-killer-roundworm-sperm-hermaphrodites

17:31:48 asciilifeform: 'On or about October 24, 2014, VELENTZAS viewed on her cellular telephone YouTube videos about a beginner's tutorial for soldering, tools and steps for soldering and de-soldering, how to solder wires together, how to solder a circuit board, common soldering mistakes, and introduction to flux, a product used in soldering tasks.'

17:32:13 mircea_popescu: ...

17:32:18 mircea_popescu: you have got to be kidding me.

17:32:26 asciilifeform: ( http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1700764-velentzas-and-siddiqui-complaint.html#document/p2 )

17:32:26 assbot: Velentzas and Siddiqui Complaint ... ( http://bit.ly/1CChaqq )

17:33:02 mircea_popescu: i would imagine by now the number of retarded people being abused through this scandalous mockery of law exceeds the "sex offenders"

17:33:21 mircea_popescu: but hey, the us is solving its homeless population, and the un doesn't even seem to notice or anything.

17:33:38 mircea_popescu: what about sanctions for human rights violations in africa's most recent presidential autocracy ?

17:35:03 asciilifeform: 'VELENTZAS also told the UC that she was progressing in her electrical studies and had used a solder tool to solder copper wires together, although VELENTZAS had suffered a small burn on her finger in the process. The UC observed a burn mark on VELENTZAS's finger.'

17:39:58 asciilifeform: https://ninjadoge24.github.io/#002-how-i-cracked-nq-vaults-encryption << mega-l0l

17:39:59 assbot: ninjadoge24's blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1CCirhj )

17:41:11 cazalla: mircea_popescu, i got a response from fortune, not the one i was hoping for either

17:41:12 asciilifeform: 'https://ninjadoge24.github.io/#002-how-i-cracked-nq-vaults-encryption / CTIA - "The Best App of CTIA by the Techlicious 2012 Best of CTIA Awards" / PC Magazine - "PC Magazine Best Apps" / TRUSTe - Received "TRUSTe Privacy Seal" / Global Mobile Internet Conference App Space - "A top 50 app" ......... Looks like a substitution cipher. What if it's just XOR? Like just fuckin' XOR?'

17:41:33 mircea_popescu: do they indicate where to send process ?

17:41:47 asciilifeform: cazalla, mircea_popescu: toldya they'd say 'pound sand'

17:41:53 cazalla: http://dpaste.com/2E1T9JN

17:41:54 assbot: dpaste: 2E1T9JN ... ( http://bit.ly/1CCiJ7I )

17:42:32 mircea_popescu: da fuck do i care what the idiot has to say lmao.

17:43:37 asciilifeform: judge will say 'hated terrorist vs. fortune co.' 'case closed.'

17:44:57 asciilifeform: or what, mircea_popescu expects to get in the mail a package with the head of the fella who signed the 'do not cite qntra' memo taped on 'fortune' monkeys' cubicles ?

17:45:45 asciilifeform: the 'we did not claim they broke the news' thing is pure gold.

17:46:14 mircea_popescu: cazalla i'd say they'd banned from qntra, and we just rewrite their breaking stuff without credit given, but then again they've not broken anything since like the 80s, they just rewrite random feeds.

17:46:42 asciilifeform: if someone steals his golden toilet, and thief answers 'i did not claim it was mine, just took it' ?

17:47:07 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's not a matter of i expect to get that head. i am getting that head.

17:47:13 asciilifeform: but not in the mail

17:47:19 mircea_popescu: in whatever manner.

17:47:20 asciilifeform: and not because of a verdict from an american court.

17:47:31 mircea_popescu: if that is true, that is to their detriment.

17:49:13 mircea_popescu: they don't as much as have a fucking legal address on the site, anything.

17:49:19 mircea_popescu: it could be a blogspot blog for all anyone knows.

17:58:32 asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2015/04/nsa-gchq-jtrig-intercept-15-0402.pdf << mega-l0l. nsa/gchq spam campaigns to drum up support for british colonial falklands vs. argentina claim.

17:58:49 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ^ this is still a thing!? l0l!

17:59:15 mircea_popescu: well sure it is.

17:59:34 cazalla: i looked for a legal contact, not finding anything, might have to be sent to time inc as they appear to own fortune.com

17:59:40 asciilifeform: 'GCHQ has consistently underperformed on Brazil, with growing concerns that Sth [sic] American attitudes on the Falklands are swinging behind Argentina....'

18:02:51 mircea_popescu: cazalla http://dpaste.com/21W5GH3

18:02:52 assbot: dpaste: 21W5GH3 ... ( http://bit.ly/1D10wlR )

18:04:08 cazalla: mircea_popescu, nice, i'll hold off responding to this daniel roberts fellow and see what comes of yours

18:04:10 mircea_popescu: the point asciilifeform doesn't appreciate here is that i'd much rather spend 10k to sue forbes over a missatributed story than spend 10k to buy "clicks" on facebook or w/e.

18:04:18 mircea_popescu: you can readily ignore the muppet.

18:04:30 asciilifeform: probably same result from each 10k

18:04:55 asciilifeform: but it's mircea_popescu's 10k, if he wants to spend it on a new coat of pain for dirigible - perfectly good

18:05:00 asciilifeform: *paint

18:05:19 cazalla: it's fortune.com really no difference

18:05:23 mircea_popescu: the donkey said to the man breaking ground, that no grains grow in freshly broken ground.

18:05:28 mircea_popescu: that's right. not yet, they don't.

18:05:38 mats: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-10-2014#897445 << ever read, 'A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court' by Twain? http://pinkmonkey.com/dl/library1/digi038.pdf

18:05:38 assbot: Logged on 26-10-2014 21:21:38; decimation: I've always imagined what would happen if I were marooned in pre-history with a few choice textbooks

18:05:41 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1CCmSJ0 )

18:06:06 asciilifeform: mats: http://www.mvkworld.com/eBooks/pages/Science%20Fiction/Poul_William_Anderson_-_The_Man_Who_Came_Early.pdf << MUCH better story about same

18:06:08 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1CCmWs2 )

18:06:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00027 = 1.863 BTC [-]

18:06:23 mats: we'll see.

18:06:50 asciilifeform: more realistic ending, for one.

18:06:59 asciilifeform: and less sanctimonious twain bullshit

18:07:59 mike_c: search.b-a issues a known problem? doesn't seem to have indexed the last few days

18:09:04 mike_c: ^ mthreat?

18:10:40 mircea_popescu: which issues be those ?

18:10:42 mircea_popescu: !s issues

18:10:43 assbot: 696 results for 'issues' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=issues

18:11:03 mircea_popescu: Checking Query Cache For Query 53 ?s

18:11:11 mircea_popescu: motherfucker, checking cache takes 1/3 of the total time

18:11:36 mike_c: issues be it's not returning anything from the last couple days

18:12:32 asciilifeform: checking cache takes 1/3 of the total time << ahahahahahaha

18:12:51 mircea_popescu: !s fortune

18:12:51 assbot: 176 results for 'fortune' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=fortune

18:13:10 mircea_popescu: mike_c whoopsie hadn't noticed.

18:13:27 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform shut up dude. if advanced aliens show up they perforce know of caching

18:13:32 mike_c: 1/3 of the total time is 53 microseconds? that's pretty fast..

18:13:34 mircea_popescu: perhaps they even show us how to make one.

18:13:46 mircea_popescu: mike_c game server whadda ya want

18:13:48 asciilifeform: aliens - yes, on account of light speed.

18:14:06 mike_c: ah. game time and web time are not the same orders of magnitude :)

18:14:12 mircea_popescu: myeah

18:14:35 mircea_popescu: this, i'll grant, is an insane piece of gnarl with three joins in it. for prototyping not really used in code.

18:14:52 asciilifeform: browser that spends 56mS rooting through cache - thank sv and their stables of delinquent children turned into 'programmers'

18:15:32 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sql profiling, nothing to do with browsers.

18:15:36 trinque: ah three joins isn't that bad

18:15:41 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: same rot

18:15:45 mike_c: and he said us, not ms

18:15:54 mircea_popescu: i really have no idea. and yes micro.

18:16:19 asciilifeform: micro - less abjectly idiotic

18:19:12 danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2015#1080139 << ahem

18:19:12 assbot: Logged on 31-03-2015 00:27:33; danielpbarron: search won't find results past this line -> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-03-2015#1079336

18:19:30 asciilifeform: that's roughly 140000 cpu cycles on, e.g., my box, though

18:19:42 cazalla: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1086310 <<< what's DTF mean? down to fish? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHn79buv5-o

18:19:42 assbot: Logged on 03-04-2015 12:23:47; nubbins`: broud was DTF at all times

18:19:42 assbot: Chinese Guy Says to Girl "Are You DTF?" - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1D13Ddw )

18:20:03 nubbins`: haha

18:20:07 nubbins`: down to fish, yeah

18:20:23 asciilifeform: wut

18:20:45 nubbins`: i kid

18:20:49 nubbins`: down to FUCK, yo

18:23:24 nubbins`: should have a patch on the ml in an hour or so, probably poison but feel free to give it a look

18:25:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29250 @ 0.00027 = 7.8975 BTC [-]

18:29:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00027071 = 4.6562 BTC [+]

18:33:20 asciilifeform: nubbins`: what's in your patch ?

18:35:09 nubbins`: modifies auto.sh to copy the openssl libs to ourlibs, adds boost:: to the errant uint32_t instances

18:35:12 nubbins`: pretty hatchety

18:35:52 nubbins`: build still stalls out with cannot find -lssl, -lcrypto

18:36:13 nubbins`: i guess, anyway. verifying now

18:37:50 mod6: this works "as designed" on deb6 - so you might wanna put a note in there what platform this is intended for.

18:38:19 nubbins`: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=UTehUrB2

18:38:20 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IvZqhP )

18:38:37 nubbins`: mod6 this isn't for consumption

18:38:39 asciilifeform: jurov: do you still keep that bitcoind src concordance www thing up to date ?

18:38:54 nubbins`: just playing around

18:40:11 mod6: ok thx. your message at the top is good. much appreciated

18:40:41 nubbins`: i will probably be doing this as a general rule going forward

18:41:45 nubbins`: no code changes i make should be misconstrued as being implicitly sane in any fashion

18:43:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22450 @ 0.00027 = 6.0615 BTC [-]

18:46:51 mats: asciilifeform: good read.

18:47:42 nubbins`: hi hfdhfhfhurururhf

18:47:50 asciilifeform: meowmix.

18:47:54 nubbins`: 8)

18:48:10 asciilifeform: !up hfdhfhfhurururhf

18:48:15 asciilifeform: robot, what is your purpose ?

18:48:24 asciilifeform: i guess ^ that.

18:51:55 nubbins`: if anyone else gets "1 target failed, 3 skipped" at the end of their Boost build: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=MVWupgZj

18:51:56 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iw1G8Q )

18:51:59 nubbins`: that's them

18:53:28 trinque: asciilifeform: https://i.imgur.com/XPYPHAJ.png

18:53:29 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iw1V3Q )

18:53:31 cazalla: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1086456 <<< women who care not to match the colour of their bra to their panties should def hang

18:53:31 assbot: Logged on 03-04-2015 14:40:12; mircea_popescu: next you're going to want to hang badly dressed women, and then where will we be.

18:54:16 asciilifeform: trinque: wat

18:54:33 jurov: asciilifeform: how up to date? it does not apply patches automatically

18:54:33 trinque: asciilifeform: grepped for the host part there

18:54:38 cazalla: nothing gets me more riled up than a stupid bitch who doesn't match colours.. autism rages

18:54:51 asciilifeform: jurov: ok then no

18:56:08 mircea_popescu: the neverending fountain of weird shit... so alf get a load of this!

18:56:33 mircea_popescu: i make a bootable gentoo cd. system boots fine on it. this was last night. today, i go to work on it again, IT NO LONGER BOOTS.

18:56:39 mircea_popescu: same fucking everything untouched.

18:56:53 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: left it running or powered down ?

18:57:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35950 @ 0.00027214 = 9.7834 BTC [+] {3}

18:57:12 asciilifeform: and what's it do instead of booting

18:57:43 mircea_popescu: powered down. and what it does INSTEAD of booting is what totally blew my mind

18:57:48 mircea_popescu: one sec ima take a picture of it.

18:59:03 jurov: wasn't it april fools cd?

19:02:32 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/gentoo-derpage.jpg <

19:02:33 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iw3fDI )

19:02:36 mircea_popescu: can't access tty ? srsly ?

19:02:47 mircea_popescu: can't find the boot device AFTER BOOTING FROM IT ? srsly ?

19:03:07 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: whatcha used for a boot loader ?

19:03:09 asciilifeform: lilo ?

19:03:29 asciilifeform: kernel wants rootfs device on kernelcommandline when boots

19:03:38 mircea_popescu: w/e comes with the minimal install

19:03:42 asciilifeform: was, judging by this photo, given none.

19:03:44 asciilifeform: it wants one

19:03:57 asciilifeform: or has no fucking clue where to mount root fs

19:04:04 mircea_popescu: it didn't want one last night ;/

19:04:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13164 @ 0.00027539 = 3.6252 BTC [+] {2}

19:04:21 asciilifeform: was disk in the drive

19:04:23 asciilifeform: last night

19:04:39 mircea_popescu: myeah.

19:04:42 asciilifeform: then.

19:04:49 mircea_popescu: it's still in there now!

19:05:03 mircea_popescu: nothing whatsoever changed.

19:05:32 asciilifeform: try giving it the actual root device when it asks

19:05:39 asciilifeform: instead of letting it die into busybox

19:05:48 asciilifeform: (why even built it with busybox, i wonder)

19:05:56 mircea_popescu: i have no idea.

19:06:01 mircea_popescu: moreover, im not aware i actually did

19:06:08 asciilifeform: didja even build this kernel.

19:06:09 mircea_popescu: and how the fuck does it not find the cd when it booted off the cd!

19:06:35 asciilifeform: cd is not build to be usable as rootfs

19:06:43 asciilifeform: *built

19:07:04 asciilifeform: (typically it contains a thing that can be booted from and ends up living in ram, like my pogo 'turdel')

19:07:25 asciilifeform: but not to be mounted as a rootfs by a normal kernel.

19:07:33 mircea_popescu: look. whatever whatever may be built as or not, i have two basic expectations. one is, for fucking machinery to behave the same way from night to next evening. the other, albeit weaker, is that if i get a "minimal work" thing i actually have to do minimal work.

19:07:43 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu poured diesel into petrol engine

19:08:06 mircea_popescu: meh.

19:08:11 asciilifeform: at any rate, give it the rootfs.

19:08:26 asciilifeform: if boots, then stuff it into the kernel cmd line params in lilo (or grub or whatever you used)

19:08:32 asciilifeform: then it will work for all time.

19:08:42 asciilifeform: alternatively compile the cmdline into kernel per se

19:08:49 asciilifeform: like i do on 'pogo' builds.

19:08:50 mircea_popescu: if im going to actually have to do shit by hand im not going ot use the retarded "live cd" bs.

19:08:58 mircea_popescu: i have nfi why these people keep offering offers they can't actually offer.

19:09:32 asciilifeform: i very rarely install gentoo from cd, must say. normally i install using a normal computer with the 'patient' disk plugged in

19:09:37 asciilifeform: as just a disk.

19:10:02 asciilifeform: then when the contents are in place, we move disk to its final home and try to boot from it, etc.

19:10:43 mircea_popescu: yeah well that's nice, but srsly...

19:11:52 asciilifeform: look at your lilo (or grub) config.

19:12:43 mircea_popescu: "The Gentoo minimal installation CD is a bootable CD which contains a self-sustained Gentoo environment. It allows the user to boot Linux from the CD."

19:12:48 mircea_popescu: their fucking handbook or w/e that is.

19:12:52 asciilifeform: sure does

19:12:56 asciilifeform: -the linux on the cd-

19:12:58 mircea_popescu: is the idea im booting gentoo off the cd and it gives me ash ?!

19:13:11 asciilifeform: wai wat, did that box -boot from cd- ?

19:13:13 asciilifeform: the one in the pic

19:13:26 mircea_popescu: yes dude

19:13:31 mircea_popescu: what do you think im going on about here!

19:13:44 asciilifeform: though this was the second attempt to boot an -installed- linux.

19:13:46 mircea_popescu: no.

19:13:50 asciilifeform: !

19:13:52 mircea_popescu: see, THAT would have made sense.

19:14:07 *: asciilifeform like total idiot assumed the variant that makes sense.

19:14:14 mircea_popescu: this is why i said you won't believe it.

19:14:23 mircea_popescu: because a) even if the cd somehow failed it shouldnb't fail like this

19:14:25 mircea_popescu: and b) wtf.

19:14:31 asciilifeform: and this is a commonplace ibmpclike thing with ata cdrom, etc. ?

19:14:40 mircea_popescu: yes.

19:14:45 asciilifeform: not some crazy sun dildostation.

19:14:46 asciilifeform: hm.

19:15:24 mircea_popescu: and i mean sure w/e i could compile it and whatnot.

19:15:29 mircea_popescu: but so far am very nonplussed.

19:16:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15050 @ 0.00027559 = 4.1476 BTC [+]

19:16:48 asciilifeform: meanwhile,

19:16:58 asciilifeform: ==00:00:00:12.322 18417== Conditional jump or move depends on uninitialised value(s)

19:16:59 asciilifeform: ==00:00:00:12.322 18417== at 0x4C7D43: CWallet::ResendWalletTransactions() (wallet.cpp:678)

19:16:59 asciilifeform: ==00:00:00:12.322 18417== by 0x44A1EB: SendMessages(CNode*, bool) (main.cpp:156)

19:16:59 asciilifeform: ==00:00:00:12.322 18417== by 0x47011C: ThreadMessageHandler2(void*) (net.cpp:1505)

19:16:59 asciilifeform: ==00:00:00:12.322 18417== by 0x4702C6: ThreadMessageHandler(void*) (net.cpp:1464)

19:17:01 asciilifeform: ==00:00:00:12.322 18417== by 0x64DB082: start_thread (in /lib64/libpthread-2.19.so)

19:17:03 asciilifeform: ==00:00:00:12.322 18417== by 0x6FEF26C: clone (in /lib64/libc-2.19.so)

19:17:05 asciilifeform: and several dozen more like it.

19:17:16 mircea_popescu: that's nice

19:17:24 asciilifeform: this is not weirdobuild either

19:17:37 asciilifeform: this is STANDARD dynamic

19:17:48 asciilifeform: am i the first to run full-bore valgrind on it or wut

19:18:17 mircea_popescu: so apparently we found satoshi

19:18:21 mircea_popescu: his name is mel.

19:18:28 asciilifeform: shatoshi

19:18:47 asciilifeform: and people use this thing, huh.

19:19:31 *: asciilifeform would like a copy of mircea_popescu's trinary sovcoin plz. because this is just Sad.

19:24:05 punkman: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1011340.new

19:24:06 assbot: [2015-04-03] The 5,000Btc hidden treasure, and the key to finding it. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iw70ZN )

19:24:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00027559 = 3.252 BTC [+]

19:25:10 asciilifeform: woodc0ll3kt0r!!!

19:25:13 asciilifeform: he's back!

19:25:25 punkman: I don't even

19:28:48 nubbins`: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-April/000081.html

19:28:49 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iw7L59 )

19:29:02 nubbins`: i also don't even

19:29:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23550 @ 0.00027559 = 6.4901 BTC [+]

19:29:38 nubbins`: dem filenames

19:29:42 *: nubbins` files this away for next time

19:30:53 trinque: holy shit the guy's made dragonballs

19:31:36 jurov: nubbins`: the patches need uniquie identifiers for people sending sigs later

19:32:16 trinque: "much like Satoshi" ahahha my sides

19:32:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00027559 = 2.0945 BTC [+]

19:33:10 nubbins`: jurov yeah i stupidly attached the shasum of my patch file to the filename

19:33:15 nubbins`: didn't realize the ml does it for me

19:33:59 jurov: lol never occurred to me someone would do it

19:36:47 nubbins`: lel @ woodcollector

19:37:07 nubbins`: he should write a book

19:37:55 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform check this out : if you boot off the cd, gentoo works ONCE. if you reboot it, it no longer works. if you boot machine with something else, this resets it, and you can now boot gentoo off cd again. ONCE.

19:38:11 asciilifeform: pathological liars don't automatically make good storytellers, much as folks with no bowel control are not by this fertilizatory virtue automatically good farmers.

19:38:13 mircea_popescu: wtf does it corrupt, the bios is not new enough and there's no hdd

19:38:44 nubbins`: mircea_popescu maybe the livecd checks the hdd for rootfs, tried to mount partially-installed one or smth

19:38:45 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: all boots here were 'cold' ?

19:38:46 asciilifeform: or 'warm'

19:38:52 mircea_popescu: all were cold.

19:39:05 mircea_popescu: nubbins` logical, but no hdd attached.

19:39:09 asciilifeform: as in, mains power removed ?

19:39:13 nubbins`: a

19:39:14 mircea_popescu: as in fans stopped.

19:39:15 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: the mega-l0l of 'cookbook' is that it was usg-authored originally. << Seems to have been independently written and later blessed because of its error, contrast to "Poor Mans James Bond" written by fellow who wanted to be their friend, but his work... not blessed

19:39:23 mircea_popescu: you want me to actually drain the mobo light ?

19:39:28 asciilifeform: yes.

19:39:35 mircea_popescu: ok, trying this one for my own curio

19:39:39 nubbins`: asciilifeform i don't think he can produce a good story -- that much is obvious -- but it'd be nice for him to condense his stupidity into a single volume that could be burned

19:40:04 asciilifeform: nubbins`: unfortunately - stupidity doesn't work like ova

19:40:09 nubbins`: :/

19:40:14 asciilifeform: not a finite count of it in the vessel

19:40:18 nubbins`: you're not born with all the stupidity you'll ever have

19:40:19 nubbins`: hahaha

19:40:25 *: nubbins` applauds

19:40:44 nubbins`: anyway i guess the dude saw my auction and got jealous

19:40:53 nubbins`: figured giving away 5k btc is pretty ballin

19:41:19 nubbins`: nevermind that the entire concept is ludicrous

19:42:00 nubbins`: tempted to move 5k coins and post tx in the thread claiming that i've found the capsule ;/

19:42:22 mircea_popescu: lol

19:42:28 mircea_popescu: but why add credence to idiocy.

19:42:42 mircea_popescu: " Inside that container is 1,000 bronze bitcoins"

19:42:52 asciilifeform: ick, debased roman bitcoins

19:42:57 mircea_popescu: i mean, buy a plural ffs.

19:43:03 asciilifeform: only gold bitcoin is genuine.

19:43:13 nubbins`: forged in a time when men were men and haters left wood carvers alone

19:43:48 mircea_popescu: "I have made and sold 9 2015 wooden physical bitcoins listed below. Each one of those coins has hidden in or on it a part of the puzzle. The key to decoding the first part of that puzzle is coin #10 which after much though is being given to someone whom i already chose from this forum. In order to decode each individual wooden coin you will have to have #10 in its physical presence and in order to solve the entire firs

19:43:48 mircea_popescu: t clue you will need to posses and have all 10 coins in the same physical location. The clues in the coins were crafted in a fashion that you will never find them let alone figure them out via photographs, with x-rays, or in any fashion other than having all the coins in the same location at the same time to solve the puzzle."

19:43:49 asciilifeform: know what would be riotously funny? if american 'nature preservation' agency rounded the idiot up and took'im to preet

19:43:55 asciilifeform: for the crime of poaching rare wood, naturally

19:43:58 mircea_popescu: check it out, this is pure rationality. long live bayes!

19:43:58 asciilifeform: self-confessed

19:45:15 nubbins`: mircea_popescu whoa i didn't read that far.

19:45:19 mircea_popescu: cold cold boot does it. where the fuck does it store its stupid bits alf ?

19:45:32 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: dram remanence ?

19:45:43 mircea_popescu: that reliable ?!

19:46:00 mircea_popescu: there must be some eeprom in the bios that i don't know about.

19:46:03 asciilifeform: http://www.cert.org/digital-intelligence/tools/afterlife.cfm? << depends on box

19:46:05 assbot: AfterLife | Digital Intelligence and Investigation | The CERT Division ... ( http://bit.ly/1IwaBXG )

19:46:13 nubbins`: "i am so rich that 5000 btc is a mere pittance, but a bunch of forum scamzors will have to collectively shell out ~$10k in airfare in order to unravel the mystery"

19:46:30 asciilifeform: (whatsthat? little proggy that warmboots machine with small linux and reads dram 0..top to a usb stick.)

19:46:43 mircea_popescu: nubbins` funny thing is, ego and intelligence are unrelated variables at birth. plenty of people roll 6-1.

19:46:48 nubbins`: nod

19:47:02 nubbins`: tbh i forgot about the guy

19:47:09 nubbins`: he must've been plotting this whole time

19:47:24 mircea_popescu: lol right.

19:47:29 asciilifeform: actually 'remanence' is wrong word here!

19:47:35 asciilifeform: because the dram was never powered down

19:47:39 asciilifeform: it is doing its job

19:47:42 mircea_popescu: as opposed to, whole thing occured to him this morning as he was sitting on shitter and contemplating what a laughingstock he is

19:47:48 asciilifeform: warm boot on pc arch doesn't cycle dram reset

19:47:54 mircea_popescu: and then he wrote it all breathlessly and didn't bother to proofread before submitting.

19:47:59 asciilifeform: pc owner oughta know that.

19:48:32 asciilifeform: (to be fair, pc arch standard is dead and what i said is probably wrong for at least every box in seven on the market.)

19:48:40 mircea_popescu: ^

19:48:55 asciilifeform: so mircea_popescu cannot be faulted for not giving a rat's arse

19:49:30 mircea_popescu: well i can be faulted all anyone wants, but guyess what!

19:50:10 asciilifeform: my grandfather had a dacha. it did not come with a toilet, so he built one. outhouse thing, but with an actual toilet that flushed instead of the customary shit pit. this is relevant, because:

19:50:21 asciilifeform: as a kid i always imagined that the shit tank was bottomless.

19:50:30 asciilifeform: or at least, like a skyscraper, but sorta inverted

19:50:32 asciilifeform: into the ground.

19:50:38 asciilifeform: or how else could hold generations of turds.

19:50:48 asciilifeform: i even saw it, in dreams

19:50:52 asciilifeform: this titanic edifice.

19:51:18 asciilifeform: now i realize it was true. except not outhouse, but pc arch and the whole stack of softs.

19:52:45 BingoBoingo: !b 8

19:52:47 assbot: Last 8 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0B07BZW.txt )

19:53:52 asciilifeform: in other news, i think i've a fixed-ram-space bitcoind running...

19:54:16 asciilifeform: will say, after it syncs, if so, and how

19:54:41 asciilifeform: also writing broadcast (s.nsa) and buncha other things in shiva hands

19:55:13 punkman: is there an easy way to induce an arbitrary-sized chain reorg for testing?

19:55:24 asciilifeform: there is not an easy way to do much of anything.

19:58:58 asciilifeform: what are we looking for, at the bottom of that tank? a golden ring ?

19:59:09 asciilifeform: i can't recall losing one...

20:01:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41803 @ 0.00027 = 11.2868 BTC [-]

20:06:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82501 @ 0.00027 = 22.2753 BTC [-]

20:10:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29300 @ 0.00027 = 7.911 BTC [-]

20:14:26 mats: http://syprog.blogspot.ru/2015/04/linux-loadable-kernel-module-in-assembly.html

20:14:27 assbot: System Programming: Linux Loadable Kernel Module in Assembly ... ( http://bit.ly/1IwfeRP )

20:14:52 asciilifeform: mats: works but ver magic.

20:15:51 mats: 'ver magic'?

20:16:14 asciilifeform: mod won't load unless matches kernel ver.

20:16:33 mats: o.

20:16:35 asciilifeform: no big deal, not hard to determine.

20:18:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00027559 = 3.7205 BTC [+]

20:29:06 BingoBoingo: http://www.landoverbaptist.org/eastereggs.html << win

20:29:08 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iwhetk )

20:30:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34350 @ 0.00027561 = 9.4672 BTC [+] {2}

20:33:09 mircea_popescu: punkman the best way to test that sort of thing is on a local testnet with low diff.

20:33:17 mircea_popescu: make n chain then make reorg

20:35:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42900 @ 0.00027 = 11.583 BTC [-]

20:46:04 nubbins`: asciilifeform i think i've got it

20:46:17 asciilifeform: ?

20:50:18 nubbins`: cannot find -lssl, -lcrypto

20:51:46 mircea_popescu: "The computer has no way of knowing by examining the word itself, whether a word is intended as a number or an instruction. Under most circumstances it is the numbers which are operated on and the instructions which are followed as instruction. The LGP-30 has the ability to operate on instructions as numbers. This ability is not only valuable but a feature which makes for the great power of stored program computers. Ho

20:51:46 mircea_popescu: wever, it is always to be avoided to use numbers as instructions. Since an instruction word is indistinguishable from a number word, some means must be provided to avoid using numbers as instructions. How this is accomplished is described under "BUILDING A PROGRAM". Also, how we convert from a 2000 to the binary representation shown is discussed later."

20:51:48 mircea_popescu: fucking nuts.

20:52:01 mircea_popescu: http://ed-thelen.org/comp-hist/lgp-30-man.html#R1.00 << ancient manuals are great, but good god the stuff one finds in there

20:52:04 assbot: LGP - 30 PROGRAMMING MANUAL ... ( http://bit.ly/1IwkG6Z )

21:04:51 asciilifeform: 'it is always to be avoided to use numbers as instructions.' << translation from ru? cn ?

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21:09:13 mircea_popescu: its english

21:12:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10913 @ 0.00027403 = 2.9905 BTC [+]

21:13:34 asciilifeform: its english << as written by su mole deep in the british ministry of fucktardation ?

21:14:02 mircea_popescu: someone at royal mcbee i imagine.

21:14:15 mircea_popescu: you wanted using instead of to use ?

21:14:58 asciilifeform: 'it is always to be avoided' ?????!

21:15:16 trinque: "using numbers as instructions should always be avoided"

21:15:19 trinque: weird word order

21:16:21 mircea_popescu: yes ?

21:20:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68400 @ 0.00027 = 18.468 BTC [-]

21:21:38 nubbins`: asciilifeform http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-April/000082.html

21:21:38 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IwpadZ )

21:21:38 trinque: just something you see in translations, not that a NY company's manual would be

21:23:20 nubbins`: others who are trying to build 0.5.3.1 on gentoo should also see above link ^

21:27:27 nubbins`: build script doesn't copy any of the openssl includes or libs to the ourlibs/ directory

21:27:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24600 @ 0.00027 = 6.642 BTC [-]

21:27:41 nubbins`: but apparently this only fails (so far) on gentoo.

21:28:29 trinque: it's going to get pretty difficult to follow along before long

21:29:45 asciilifeform: nubbins`: i must remind readers that my 'dns snip' patch does not remove all usage of dns from bitcoin

21:29:49 asciilifeform: only for seeding

21:29:56 nubbins`: nod

21:30:09 trinque: are you gents permanently opposed to vcs?

21:30:10 asciilifeform: it still gets used when irc-connecting and when attempting to determine external ip from behind nat

21:30:18 asciilifeform: trinque: excellent question! see thread

21:30:37 mircea_popescu: During the conversation, the UC stated, "We read chemistry books with breakfast. Like, who does that?" VELENTZAS responded, "People who want to make history."

21:30:49 mircea_popescu: orly ? what about you know, every sophomore ever.

21:31:01 *: trinque finds tons of talk about venture capitalists :p

21:31:10 mircea_popescu: trinque what are we but vcs.

21:31:14 mircea_popescu: we're opposed to retards.

21:31:14 asciilifeform: trinque: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-11-2014#922660

21:31:14 assbot: Logged on 15-11-2014 00:31:06; asciilifeform: but the argument here is not about sabotaged ken-thompson-style tools. but about tools that foster intellectual atrophy.

21:31:17 asciilifeform: ^ mandatory thread

21:31:20 trinque: mircea_popescu: talkin bout version control

21:31:54 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-11-2014#922669

21:31:54 assbot: Logged on 15-11-2014 00:34:02; asciilifeform: but i will not be signing any patch that i can't apply with my mind, in my mental model of the code.

21:32:27 asciilifeform: ^ this is absolutely vital to understand.

21:32:33 nubbins`: i haven't verified that you necessarily need to apply the dns snip patch for it to compile on gentoo

21:33:02 nubbins`: that getaddrinfo stuff was just a warning

21:33:17 nubbins`: it only happened to spit out right after the "cannot find -lssl, -lcrypto"

21:33:22 asciilifeform: nubbins`: it is a warning that tells you the fact that YOUR BIN WILL ONLY RUN ON YOUR BOX

21:33:32 asciilifeform: pretty dire so far as warnings go.

21:33:36 nubbins`: :D

21:33:41 trinque: asciilifeform: heh I replied to you there as undata and the opinion still stands

21:33:56 trinque: but w/e you guys are doing the lifting, yours to decide

21:34:05 asciilifeform: trinque: try to understand why.

21:34:08 trinque: it's just not clear which chains of patches are which

21:34:12 trinque: and will increasingly be so

21:34:20 asciilifeform: trinque: there is precisely one set of 'official' patches

21:34:26 asciilifeform: that is, ones that made it into the release

21:34:41 asciilifeform: there is also another set, of dangerous patches which may or may not turn into tree candidates.

21:34:55 nubbins`: trinque this is sort of like the bible, in that various acid fevers are recorded and some of them end up being canon

21:35:03 trinque: lol

21:35:17 nubbins`: i'm not joking

21:35:30 asciilifeform: anyone so much as touching the dangerous patches needs to actually grasp what is going on.

21:35:38 nubbins`: anyway alf if you get some spare cycles, can you try my patch & verify that i'm not crazy?

21:35:50 mircea_popescu: you're crazy even with the patch.

21:36:07 nubbins`: !s simple minded psychopath

21:36:07 assbot: 4 results for 'simple minded psychopath' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=simple+minded+psychopath

21:36:07 trinque: entirely possible to use git or something else for dev, patch process for release

21:36:11 nubbins`: :D

21:36:24 nubbins`: ah w/e

21:36:26 trinque: but I see the sense of this

21:36:28 nubbins`: i think the original was hyphenated

21:36:37 asciilifeform: trinque: do you know the biblical story about the camel's nose ?

21:36:44 mircea_popescu: trinque honestly im just waiting for them to get buried in more pizza packaging first.

21:37:04 asciilifeform: well, pseudo-biblical

21:37:04 trinque: asciilifeform: something something nose tent

21:37:05 ben_vulpes: trinque: i keep my own vcs system and apply patches directly from mu4e

21:37:15 ben_vulpes: branch, apply patch, run tests in vm

21:37:20 ben_vulpes: attempt to compile et

21:37:22 ben_vulpes: etc*

21:37:23 trinque: so now what if you want to collaborate on a branch

21:37:30 trinque: you're just manually doing the same thing

21:37:36 *: trinque shrugs

21:37:37 asciilifeform: it is NOT the same thing!

21:37:38 ben_vulpes: nobody's collaborating on anything man

21:37:48 ben_vulpes: the shitty thing doesn't even compile yet

21:37:51 trinque: and this is desirable?

21:37:56 nubbins`: ben_vulpes yes it does :)

21:38:06 asciilifeform: it doesn't compile -statically-

21:38:12 ben_vulpes: ah, nubbins -- sanity!

21:38:15 ben_vulpes: well, yes.

21:38:23 ben_vulpes: compiles to my requirements.

21:38:30 nubbins`: asciilifeform yes it does!

21:38:32 asciilifeform: trinque: do you recall the conversation about sov. nuke subs ?

21:38:43 asciilifeform: and their reactor controls

21:38:45 ben_vulpes: does *not* compile to my requirements, i mean.

21:38:55 asciilifeform: the same outcome is not proof that you are 'doing the same thing'

21:38:57 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1086328 >> he's right.

21:38:57 assbot: Logged on 03-04-2015 13:37:28; nubbins`: but he fears others will think it sucks, or worse, that his taste is so poor that it *does* suck and he just doesn't see it

21:39:02 asciilifeform: sometimes, the -process- matters.

21:39:22 trinque: ok, I am aware of your perspective

21:39:23 asciilifeform: because the -process- provides guarantees of...

21:39:25 asciilifeform: !s provenance

21:39:26 assbot: 26 results for 'provenance' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=provenance

21:39:35 trinque: you can easily verify the output of git

21:39:36 mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> nobody's collaborating on anything man << this is like the first time ever people are seriously using a noncollaborative approach to coding.

21:39:46 asciilifeform: programmers as a class have severe trouble with this concept, in my experience

21:39:46 nubbins`: haha

21:39:56 asciilifeform: because they live & die by idempotence of identical bits

21:40:02 nubbins`: the adversarial approach to development

21:40:04 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform only whores masquerading as programmers.

21:40:10 asciilifeform: (also see the 'what colour are your bits' essay)

21:40:15 mircea_popescu: "it rubbed me nicely, same thing"

21:40:26 trinque: not at all what I'm saying

21:40:42 *: nubbins` snoozes while waiting for bitcoind to find seeds

21:41:09 asciilifeform: trinque: when you use a version control apparatus, it is very easy to produce patches that cannot be applied using your mind

21:41:20 asciilifeform: and this quickly becomes the only kind of patch produced.

21:41:31 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform eventually that list jurov keeps will become unusable as a flat thing, you are aware.

21:41:34 nubbins`: "patch" = updating 5,000 files at once

21:41:48 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: eventually

21:42:03 mircea_popescu: even if your version control is strictly "X -> Y -> Z" which are all control points

21:42:05 trinque: if you can't rely on the discipline of the people involved you're already fucked

21:42:08 mircea_popescu: it's still fucking version control.

21:42:11 trinque: running diff and patch by hand isn't going to fix it

21:42:11 asciilifeform: nubbins`: laugh, but what do you imagine would happen if one of us were to, e.g., reindent it.

21:42:30 nubbins`: asciilifeform i used that example because i've seen precisely this sort of bullshit committed to svn

21:42:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23000 @ 0.00027209 = 6.2581 BTC [+] {3}

21:42:45 asciilifeform: trinque: it's a deliberate antiautomation, to keep things short

21:42:54 asciilifeform: like the orators who were forced to stand on one leg

21:43:11 nubbins`: <+trinque> if you can't rely on the discipline of the people involved you're already fucked <<< by this metric, /we have been fucked from day one/

21:43:18 nubbins`: have you LOOKED at the code? :S

21:43:32 trinque: you're just intentionally misunderstanding me now :p

21:43:36 nubbins`: 8)

21:43:39 trinque: who is "we" there?

21:43:41 nubbins`: for dramatic effect

21:43:47 trinque: everyone who ever poked his dick into the github?

21:43:58 nubbins`: everyone who ever poked his dick in pre-0.5.4 bitcoin

21:44:06 asciilifeform: the approach does not 'fix' anything, no. but it prevents certain plagues that are otherwise ubiquitous

21:44:09 asciilifeform: and 100% fatal.

21:45:10 trinque: by that logic you should never drive, because the machine's capable of 130mph into a brick wall

21:45:20 trinque: anyhow, proceed as you like

21:45:34 nubbins`: noooooo, the analogy would be a car with a governor that kicks in at 200kph

21:45:42 nubbins`: y'know, like they have in actual cars in real life

21:46:04 trinque: "actual cars" ?

21:46:12 nubbins`: <+trinque> you're just intentionally misunderstanding me now :p

21:46:15 trinque: ahahha

21:46:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17400 @ 0.00027 = 4.698 BTC [-]

21:47:03 nubbins`: for the record, your car is almost certainly not "capable" of doing anything at 130mph

21:47:07 nubbins`: except maybe freefalling

21:47:24 mircea_popescu: this is why you like the two ton mercedes.

21:47:30 mircea_popescu: flies at 200km/h

21:47:43 nubbins`: ehh, i once got a chrysler neon up to 205.

21:47:51 nubbins`: (this only works downhill)

21:47:53 trinque: nubbins`: my old 300zx could certainly do 130

21:48:00 trinque: current vw crapwagon nope

21:48:19 nubbins`: trinque and is your 300zx for granny smith, or for a driver who knows the risks?

21:48:24 mircea_popescu: the only time i trusted a us pos i had a break plate of a ford explode. just like that.

21:48:25 nubbins`: and thus, the analogy complete.

21:48:27 mircea_popescu: we nearly fucking died.

21:49:08 nubbins`: WOO

21:49:09 nubbins`: height=6538

21:49:15 *: nubbins` applauds

21:49:29 mircea_popescu: look a tthat. that's almost like a modern block's worth altogether.

21:49:30 trinque: mircea_popescu: damn, yeah I don't drive american cars

21:49:48 mircea_popescu: i don't drive either, but yeah.

21:50:07 mircea_popescu: in fairness this was prolly assembled in canada out of vietnamese parts or some shit. "american" what's that.

21:53:01 trinque: nubbins`: wait so granny smith is who you want working on bitcoind?

21:53:20 nubbins`: again, you deliberately misunderstand

21:53:25 trinque: all I'm saying is use tools that don't slow down the work, and have merge nazis using shame and dishonor at the center

21:53:27 nubbins`: it's not a question of who i want working on it

21:53:34 nubbins`: or of who i "want" "working" on it

21:53:55 trinque: the problem's solved by the wot not diff and patch

21:54:13 nubbins`: i dunno man

21:54:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12978 @ 0.00027564 = 3.5773 BTC [+]

21:55:43 punkman: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/04/how-a-3-85-latte-paid-for-with-a-fake-100-bill-lead-to-counterfeit-kingpins-downfall/

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21:55:44 ben_vulpes: trinque: you and i can collaborate any time that we want, by derping at our respective repos

21:56:28 trinque: I am well convinced that you guys like your process and there's nothing wrong with that.

21:56:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45200 @ 0.00027 = 12.204 BTC [-]

21:58:05 ben_vulpes: i don't like it, it's just the ad-hoc thing that works today

22:00:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17892 @ 0.00027 = 4.8308 BTC [-]

22:01:50 mats: https://soundcloud.com/viceroymusic/viceroy-french-horn-rebellion

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22:28:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15450 @ 0.00027519 = 4.2517 BTC [+]

22:29:19 jurov: https://shapeshift.io/blog.html wow, evoor is really intrepid

22:29:19 assbot: The ShapeShift Blog | Shape Shift | The fastest way to swap cryptocurrencies. No account required. ... ( http://bit.ly/1IbYMt5 )

22:29:38 jurov: (scroll down and bask in his blue eyes)

22:30:07 jurov: "Erik Voorhees as Founder of ShapeShift, announces seed round with Barry Silbert, Roger Ver" further down

22:31:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90100 @ 0.00027 = 24.327 BTC [-]

22:31:35 jurov: "creator of SatoshiDICE" my ass.

22:32:16 BingoBoingo: He bought SatoshiDice and retained the creator for some time, yes?

22:32:22 jurov: yes

22:33:41 nubbins`: heh

22:34:11 nubbins`: breaking: erik voorhees falsely claims to have created things that he didn't

22:39:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27348 @ 0.00027533 = 7.5297 BTC [+] {2}

22:40:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16620 @ 0.00027564 = 4.5811 BTC [+]

22:51:59 asciilifeform: <ben_vulpes> i don't like it, it's just the ad-hoc thing that works today << i'm not convinced that there could be any reasonable alternative.

22:52:22 asciilifeform: for so long as the thing needs changing at all - this is how it is changed.

22:53:06 nubbins`: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/31bwnf/seriously_this_will_most_likely_hail_downvotes/

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22:55:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20450 @ 0.00027536 = 5.6311 BTC [-] {3}

22:58:16 asciilifeform: 26. Secret Service searched Facebook for the name Jack Farrel and discovered a Facebook user site for an individual named Jack Farrel who claimed to live in Uganda. This user's Facebook site also had photographs of Jack Farrel.

22:58:16 asciilifeform: 27. A.B. was shown one of the photographs from Jack Farrel's Facebook site. A.B. confirmed that this photograph was the Jack Farrel who provided him with the counterfeit Federal Reserve Notes.

22:58:16 asciilifeform: 28. Facial recognition analysis matched Jack Farrel's photograph with a Texas Department of Motor Vehicle photo of RYAN ANDREW GUSTAFSON.

22:58:18 asciilifeform: ^ l0l

22:58:38 asciilifeform: ( https://archive.org/stream/pdfy-SqZC5_Cmo6NUC1p3/gov.uscourts.pawd.220730.1.1_djvu.txt )

22:58:39 assbot: Full text of "gov.uscourts.pawd.220730.1.1.pdf (PDFy mirror)" ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ic3GGp )

23:01:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00027569 = 6.7544 BTC [+] {2}

23:03:28 asciilifeform: 'At the time, Clock argued that he was simply a sort of benevolent overlord. "I decided to help other people and give them this opportunity, I see myself as a do gooder, I know many might argue with that, but when you get people coming to you saying they used to have NOTHING and were begging on a street corner looking for $30 and now he's a boss, sure makes me feel good," he added. "I actually feel more of a [R]obinhood and en

23:03:28 asciilifeform: joy helping people who have nothing, I create jobs.. I do better then [sic] [O]bama creating jobs my employees are all happy now."'

23:04:07 asciilifeform: but 'Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi.' (TM)

23:04:32 danielpbarron: !up Bagels7

23:04:47 asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIgwoLCZ9Uc << obligatory

23:04:47 assbot: Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Frntyd )

23:06:15 asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVEPnAGZLyE << proper uncut version

23:06:16 assbot: Икар и мудрецы (Союзмультфильм) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FrnKRD )

23:06:26 asciilifeform: 'icarus and the wise men'

23:08:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23100 @ 0.00027601 = 6.3758 BTC [+]

23:13:25 asciilifeform: mega-recommended ^

23:13:41 asciilifeform: (mostly self-explanatory without transl.)

23:17:38 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: do you do email in emacs? i've been using mu4e and am about out of patience - coming back around to "show me the ancient tools that handle this ancient problem".

23:18:03 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i typically compose in emacs but do not use it as a 'client'

23:18:08 asciilifeform: (nor anything else)

23:18:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19416 @ 0.00027601 = 5.359 BTC [+]

23:18:29 asciilifeform: i most often use 'squirrelmail', a prehistoric www frontend to own mailserv

23:18:36 ben_vulpes: huh

23:18:40 asciilifeform: for a few things, even 'gmail'

23:18:41 asciilifeform: yes.

23:19:08 ben_vulpes: i'm particularly frustrated at verifying sigs and what has one.

23:27:41 nubbins`: lel

23:27:56 nubbins`: some guy came across a bunch of old bmezine saline-injection pics

23:27:57 nubbins`: http://imgur.com/a/4jSKe

23:27:57 assbot: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bagel_head - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ic9uzU )

23:28:46 nubbins`: (for those wondering wtfx1000, the saline completely absorbs into your tissue after a few hours)

23:28:59 mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> He bought SatoshiDice and retained the creator for some time, yes? << an' settled with the sec, to boot.

23:29:38 BingoBoingo: Seriously impresive stuff, just why inflate the credentials like a Turk?

23:31:07 mircea_popescu: jurov: "creator of SatoshiDICE" my ass. << that claim's interesting. i guess double jeopardy brings out the best in people ?

23:32:32 mircea_popescu: anyway. i guess coinapult died ? i seem to recall a seed round about that one.

23:32:50 nubbins`: i remember coinapult

23:32:56 mircea_popescu: "ShapeShift was built as a demonstration of this principle: exchanges occur without custodianship of user funds. Indeed, there are no user accounts whatsoever."

23:33:06 mircea_popescu: so you need seed funding for that ?

23:33:06 nubbins`: woo stateless web!

23:33:54 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1087343 lol catching on huh.

23:33:54 assbot: Logged on 03-04-2015 22:53:09; assbot: [Seriously] This will most likely hail downvotes, but let me try anyway... I am prostitute, how can I accept Bitcoin? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ic2K4W )

23:35:19 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1087347 << sounds suspiciously like parallel construction.

23:35:19 assbot: Logged on 03-04-2015 22:58:16; asciilifeform: 28. Facial recognition analysis matched Jack Farrel's photograph with a Texas Department of Motor Vehicle photo of RYAN ANDREW GUSTAFSON.

23:36:44 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1087368 << which makes two of us.

23:36:44 assbot: Logged on 03-04-2015 23:18:29; asciilifeform: i most often use 'squirrelmail', a prehistoric www frontend to own mailserv

23:37:46 mircea_popescu: !up mbailin

23:37:59 BingoBoingo: https://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/coinbase.com << lol

23:38:00 assbot: coinbase.com | WOT Reputation Scorecard | WOT (Web of Trust) ... ( http://bit.ly/1Icbecv )

23:38:45 nubbins`: u wot m8

23:38:59 nubbins`: haha child safety wtf

23:39:04 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Check the user reviews

23:39:41 mircea_popescu: from the "let's make something stupid and call it our own" department, today the unconnected tap.

23:39:44 nubbins`: ha

23:39:47 mircea_popescu: onlyslightlyrusted.

23:40:35 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo amusingly, i can't negrate it because i don't have enough javascript.

23:40:39 mircea_popescu: "must be this dumb to ride!"

23:40:44 nubbins`: nor can i. guess you gotta log in

23:40:58 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Isn't that what the designated pr0n computer is for?

23:41:09 mircea_popescu: toolazy

23:41:56 nubbins`: compiling buildroot is a snoozefest

23:42:29 nubbins`: ~3.5 hours last time but i think i've got more shit enabled this run

23:42:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40450 @ 0.00027057 = 10.9446 BTC [-] {2}

23:47:41 mircea_popescu: http://yanisvaroufakis.eu/2013/04/22/bitcoin-and-the-dangerous-fantasy-of-apolitical-money/#comment-141726 << "someone in the blogosphere"

23:47:44 assbot: Bitcoin and the dangerous fantasy of ‘apolitical’ money | Yanis Varoufakis ... ( http://bit.ly/1NNtIQD )

23:47:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21864 @ 0.00027601 = 6.0347 BTC [+]

23:48:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6450 @ 0.00027 = 1.7415 BTC [-]

23:49:17 mircea_popescu: easily the most commented on post of that "someone in the blogosphere"'s.

23:53:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19200 @ 0.00027 = 5.184 BTC [-]

23:55:09 nubbins`: !up Guest6009

23:55:13 nubbins`: !up julmac

23:55:16 nubbins`: !up Guest33494

23:55:27 nubbins`: i'd like to start by welcoming our distinguished guests

23:55:35 nubbins`: you may be wondering why i've assembled you all here

23:56:09 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Does it involve a biopsy punch?

23:56:36 nubbins`: i've done things in the past that involved biopsy punches, but this isn't such an event

23:56:51 nubbins`: protip: have some fruit juice on hand, you tend to get dizzy

23:57:07 BingoBoingo: K

23:57:18 nubbins`: if your vision starts to fade, tell someone

23:58:21 *: BingoBoingo was thinking of an alternative to hancuffs. Involves padlock, biopsy punch, and two hands

23:58:26 nubbins`: heh