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00:04:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.21000984 = 0.42 BTC [-]

00:04:31 mircea_popescu: kako has it actually

00:04:36 mircea_popescu: ancient bitcoinica bug

00:04:50 mike_c: RFC: http://www.btcalpha.com/mpif-tracker/

00:04:52 assbot: Btc Alpha - Analysis tools for bitcoin finance.

00:05:46 mircea_popescu: mike_c, o wow, how is bitbet negastive ? she lost a bet meanwhile ?

00:05:55 mike_c: sort of

00:06:03 mike_c: er, yes

00:06:09 mike_c: she won, but it didn't cover the small hedge

00:06:19 mircea_popescu: link ?

00:07:03 mike_c: http://bitbet.us/bet/802/bitcoin-to-drop-under-300-before-june/#b5

00:07:03 assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $300 before June :: 4.75 B (10%) on Yes, 41.24 B (90%) on No | closed 1 week 2 days ago

00:08:29 mircea_popescu: ah i c

00:08:56 mircea_popescu: dude is it great that these aren't related and so p2 can cover p4 etc

00:09:16 mircea_popescu: anywya, splendid tool that thing.

00:09:47 mike_c: will get even more live when jurov finishes his thing :)

00:10:03 mircea_popescu: splendid.

00:10:38 mircea_popescu: once bb's pot increases significantly i'll bug him to do something similar, but for now a small wildcard is all the spritz needed

00:10:58 mircea_popescu: anywya, fascinating what open *really* means.

00:11:08 mike_c: agreed

00:11:39 mircea_popescu: and making history and all that jazz all the derps claim

00:12:35 BingoBoingo: I'm still wondering how I might do that, but there are ideas.

00:14:10 mike_c: jurov's book would make infinite loop anyway. nav = (pc1,2,3,4) + nav * pc5 shares

00:16:09 mircea_popescu: part of the reason why i took him of nav pricing

00:16:15 mircea_popescu: he's doing mkt value.

00:21:11 mircea_popescu: o look at that, jd a whole dime up since yest too ?

00:21:16 mircea_popescu: muy bien muy bien

00:53:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15750 @ 0.00087445 = 13.7726 BTC [+] {4}

01:01:12 BingoBoingo: http://valleywag.gawker.com/winklevoss-twins-buying-giant-14-5-million-penthouse-1584927093/+sarah-hedgecock

01:01:13 assbot: Winklevoss Twins Buying Giant $14.5 Million Penthouse... Together?

01:01:19 BingoBoingo: ^ Twincest

01:18:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.22000007 = 1.32 BTC [+] {2}

01:19:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1864 @ 0.00087363 = 1.6284 BTC [-]

01:23:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.0303 = 0.303 BTC [+]

01:26:25 BingoBoingo: !t m f.mpif

01:26:26 assbot: [MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0.00021536 / 0.00021539 / 0.00021552 (1050 shares, 0.23 BTC), 7D: 0.00021536 / 0.00021704 / 0.00021726 (9050 shares, 1.96 BTC), 30D: 0.00021536 / 0.00021722 / 0.00021726 (114803 shares, 24.94 BTC)

01:26:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2250002 BTC [+]

01:27:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.225 = 4.5 BTC [-]

01:28:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.22002146 BTC [-]

01:38:36 BingoBoingo: !up Pierre_Rochard

01:48:21 decimation: asciilifeform re: truecrypt audit >> it is indeed old news, but I didn't see the point emphasized on the channel

01:48:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07989979 = 0.1598 BTC [+]

01:53:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.22002168 = 0.6601 BTC [+] {2}

01:54:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.21833333 = 1.31 BTC [-] {2}

01:54:23 decimation: asciilieform re: transformer isn't nonlinear resonance something to be avoided? How does the circuit maintain its nolinear resonance with variable load conditions.

01:55:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 30 @ 0.0303 = 0.909 BTC [-]

01:56:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2031 BTC [-]

01:56:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 49 @ 0.07987578 = 3.9139 BTC [-]

02:03:38 asciilifeform: decimation: How does the circuit maintain its nolinear resonance with variable load << naturally, this is possible only within rated limit of a particular machine.

02:04:40 asciilifeform: decimation: http://www.aelgroup.co.uk/hb/hb001.htm << good basic summary of the concept

02:04:40 assbot: hb001 Constant Voltage Transformer (CVT) introduction - the perfect sine wave

02:07:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95680 @ 0.00087187 = 83.4205 BTC [-] {8}

02:09:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.22997729 = 1.3799 BTC [+] {2}

02:10:21 BingoBoingo: "This bait and switch defense procurement situation, one that has become eerily circular in nature, is a much larger threat to national security then uneducated men in mud huts with AK-47s. A foe which we have spent trillions targeting and killing for over the last decade with little to show for it." http://aviationintel.com/disgrace-navys-f-35b-carrier/

02:10:24 assbot: DISGRACE: NAVY’S NEW PURPOSE BUILT “F-35B CARRIER” CANNOT WITHSTAND CONTINUOUS F-35B OR MV-22 OPERATIONS | AviationIntel.com

02:12:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.22997781 BTC [+]

02:23:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 40 @ 0.24131322 = 9.6525 BTC [+] {8}

02:23:38 benkay: !up chairforce1

02:24:07 chairforce1: why hello

02:24:12 benkay: how's it been?

02:24:17 chairforce1: excellent

02:24:21 chairforce1: u?

02:24:26 benkay: p okay

02:24:29 benkay: must cloast moar deals

02:24:38 chairforce1: which deals?

02:24:47 chairforce1: of wat nature

02:24:58 benkay: of the software-y and app-y nature

02:25:04 chairforce1: i love nature

02:25:27 chairforce1: r u making an app?

02:25:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.09 = 0.18 BTC [-]

02:26:43 benkay: "an" lolzlzozlz

02:27:21 chairforce1: ?

02:27:24 chairforce1: an application?

02:27:44 benkay: no as in like "only one?"

02:27:48 chairforce1: oh

02:28:08 chairforce1: how many r in the pipeline?

02:29:07 BingoBoingo: Maxint apps

02:29:51 benkay: (def maxint-apps (capacity-planner nerds-as-what-need-pimping-out))

02:30:02 benkay: setv if you're cool, i guess

02:30:38 benkay: <-- v. not cool opportunistic lisper

02:30:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.22971385 BTC [-]

02:30:46 benkay: <-- responsible for bedrock

02:31:18 benkay: what's so excellent with you, chairforce1 ?

02:32:31 chairforce1: well

02:33:23 chairforce1: idk what maxint and setv are

02:33:33 chairforce1: but im excellent because bitcoin is fun

02:33:37 chairforce1: and

02:33:50 chairforce1: i spent some time with my friends today

02:34:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.22971385 = 0.4594 BTC [-] {2}

02:35:24 benkay: what's so fun about bitcoin?

02:36:14 chairforce1: well

02:36:19 chairforce1: the who industry

02:36:23 chairforce1: its so new

02:36:26 chairforce1: and akward

02:36:30 chairforce1: no1 knows how to deal with it

02:36:38 chairforce1: its like watching a fawn beng born

02:36:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 59 @ 0.00203776 = 0.1202 BTC [+] {6}

02:36:48 chairforce1: its funny

02:38:34 BingoBoingo: I guess that's fair, there's been a lot of blood

02:38:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 19 @ 0.24999997 = 4.75 BTC [+] {2}

02:38:48 benkay: are you doing anything interesting with btc?

02:39:10 chairforce1: no

02:39:12 chairforce1: just admiring it

02:39:20 chairforce1: buy little bits here and there

02:39:30 chairforce1: when i can

02:39:51 chairforce1: yes there has been blood

02:39:56 chairforce1: bitcoin is ruthless

02:40:17 chairforce1: the markets are irrational

02:40:31 chairforce1: large players play around

02:40:57 chairforce1: securities is a bigger blood bath

02:41:03 chairforce1: the wild west of the wild west

02:41:07 chairforce1: no1 knows wtf is gong on

02:42:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.21004478 BTC [-]

02:45:08 decimation: asciilifeform: re: cvt: interesting. It seems to me that saturating the secondary would clip the output waveform, precautions must have been taken to prevent this

02:47:36 decimation: books.google.com/books?id=h2Es9vpaKhQC&pg=SA9-PA2

03:05:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.08600002 = 0.172 BTC [-] {2}

03:09:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.0303 = 0.1515 BTC [-]

03:11:17 decimation: asciilifeform: after reading that chapter, it appears that ferroresonant transformers help with voltage regulation, suppressing harmonics and transients, as well as riding through nasty undervolt conditions (that kill switching power supplies). They aren't very helpful for momentary outages, as you have said.

03:11:59 asciilifeform: decimation: correct.

03:12:05 decimation: I might have to go find one of my own, if they are available for cheap.

03:12:06 asciilifeform: decimation: for outages, ordinary ups.

03:12:25 asciilifeform: decimation: (no reason not to connect traditional ups in series)

03:12:40 decimation: before the transformer I presume?

03:12:52 asciilifeform: aye

03:13:50 kakobrekla: ok so this newlisp is slow as fuck even if they claim otherwise.

03:14:17 asciilifeform: 'newlisp' is the 'feathercoin' of lisps

03:14:27 kakobrekla: is it?

03:14:31 kakobrekla: no clue

03:14:42 kakobrekla: had high hopes at first glance

03:14:47 asciilifeform: author started by pissing all over every single advance in the history of the language - starting with lexical scope, moving on to compiler, etc

03:15:05 asciilifeform: but, 'new' !

03:15:23 kakobrekla: other things but 'new' attracted me, but whatever.

03:15:47 kakobrekla: i found something else to waste time on

03:16:34 decimation: the 'trick' is the airgapped shunt that causes the secondary to saturate, thus causing the output voltage to remain in a narrow range. It's interesting to me that this has been known since 1940, is ideal for computers, and is apparently mostly unknown amoung computer users

03:16:58 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: vaguely relevant ancient thread: http://scottlocklin.wordpress.com/2012/09/12/not-all-programmers-alike/#comment-3674

03:17:00 assbot: Not all programmers are alike: a language rant | Locklin on science

03:17:24 asciilifeform: decimation: it is very, very well known among computer users. behind the 'iron curtain.'

03:18:13 decimation: "management" in the west would hate the buzzing

03:18:32 asciilifeform: decimation: the pill against the buzz is to lock the thing in a closet

03:18:52 decimation: yeah, wires exist for a reason I guess.

03:19:21 asciilifeform: decimation: your mains step-down transformer would also be quite audible if you were to take it off the pole and bring it in your living room.

03:20:15 decimation: I'm interested in the lightning suppression, I live in a lightning-prone area and I want to take precautions against harm. I'm not convinced by the "protect" LED in cheapass MOV devices

03:21:11 asciilifeform: CVTs are still used in places where equipment costs $maxint. i personally ordered one installed in a lab where i once worked.

03:21:32 asciilifeform: (we were getting transients from a newly installed gigantic air conditioner)

03:22:53 asciilifeform: quite a few of the units you'll find on 'ebay' are labeled 'minicomputer transformer.' so, i imagine they were shipped with pdp and vax.

03:23:20 asciilifeform: if your computer costs serious dough, a $1k power filter is small change.

03:23:33 decimation: yeah, that's the kind of device where you want to shop "ebay local"

03:23:39 asciilifeform: that or 'free ship'

03:23:59 decimation: lol I bet it costs $1 to ship from hong kong

03:25:05 asciilifeform: decimation: they're typically guaranteed for 25 years or so. get a used box with clear conscience.

03:27:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07435204 = 0.1487 BTC [-]

03:30:46 decimation: re: dataflow: I've been browsing the academic papers on "dataflow" computers. Most of them are crazy "C machine" and "Dataflow sidecar" hybrids. Makes as much sense as putting a massive aircraft engine in a car: www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJn7LHE83cc

03:30:59 asciilifeform: incidentally: cvt is a good pill against nosy buggers who'd like to 'read' bits off your mains wiring.

03:31:33 kakobrekla: interesting asciilifeform , you really have seen it all, and too bad you didnt link me a week ago. :)

03:31:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.02437999 = 0.2438 BTC [-]

03:31:57 decimation: I prefer to keep the lower frequency EM fields around my house pure, so I can receive shortwave well

03:34:26 decimation: like this guy - all kinds of citations etc: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~mihaib/research/iwls04.pdf Figure 1 is amusing/sad

03:34:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 17 @ 0.0215101 = 0.3657 BTC [-] {7}

03:35:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.0215101 = 0.1936 BTC [-] {8}

03:36:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0215 = 0.215 BTC [-]

03:37:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 17 @ 0.02051 = 0.3487 BTC [-] {2}

03:37:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 16 @ 0.02437999 = 0.3901 BTC [-]

03:41:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0205 = 0.205 BTC [-]

03:47:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 22 @ 0.0201001 = 0.4422 BTC [-] {4}

03:48:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 22 @ 0.02010007 = 0.4422 BTC [-] {5}

03:49:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.02001675 = 0.1201 BTC [-] {2}

03:53:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.02437999 = 0.1219 BTC [-]

03:55:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07987039 = 0.5591 BTC [+] {3}

03:56:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.03039 = 0.152 BTC [+]

04:07:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5295 @ 0.00087029 = 4.6082 BTC [-] {2}

04:24:04 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell decimation mihaib sounds like quite the romanian name

04:24:04 gribble: The operation succeeded.

04:29:09 []bot: Bet created: "Any European team to win 2014 FIFA Football World Cup" http://bitbet.us/bet/873/

04:30:19 mircea_popescu: i gotta say i really like how btcalpha works.

04:44:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43163 @ 0.0008695 = 37.5302 BTC [-] {3}

04:56:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5832 @ 0.00086828 = 5.0638 BTC [-]

05:07:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8067 @ 0.00086828 = 7.0044 BTC [-]

05:18:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 16 @ 0.03030312 = 0.4848 BTC [-] {2}

05:19:39 BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats

05:19:42 gribble: Current Blocks: 303960 | Current Difficulty: 1.0455720138484837E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 304415 | Next Difficulty In: 455 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 7 hours, 25 minutes, and 53 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 11611667751.9 | Estimated Percent Change: 11.05565

05:20:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32356 @ 0.00086763 = 28.073 BTC [-] {3}

05:21:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24361 @ 0.00086662 = 21.1117 BTC [-]

05:23:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.21036645 = 0.6311 BTC [+] {3}

05:24:12 BingoBoingo: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1707;sa=showPosts

05:24:12 assbot: Latest posts of: kslaughter

05:25:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 20 @ 0.0304 = 0.608 BTC [+]

05:28:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2101 BTC [-]

05:29:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 8 @ 0.02811021 = 0.2249 BTC [-] {2}

05:36:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 20 @ 0.02811015 = 0.5622 BTC [-] {2}

05:39:08 dub: lol

05:39:29 lobbes: It is a shitstorm in that thread.

05:43:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 77 @ 0.00183002 = 0.1409 BTC [-]

05:46:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00082843 = 3.3137 BTC [-]

05:49:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00082843 = 8.2843 BTC [-]

05:53:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 15 @ 0.02437999 = 0.3657 BTC [-]

06:03:04 dub: !t m s.mpoe

06:03:04 assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00082843 / 0.00087459 / 0.0008815 (1017982 shares, 890.32 BTC), 7D: 0.00080316 / 0.00087188 / 0.00090911 (6297303 shares, 5,490.53 BTC), 30D: 0.00080316 / 0.00090953 / 0.00101 (26331504 shares, 23,949.53 BTC)

06:05:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07450141 = 0.3725 BTC [-]

06:05:17 dub: im struggling with how this person is profiting from all this manip^HHHrket making

06:06:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 295 @ 0.07368519 = 21.7371 BTC [-] {15}

06:21:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.02437999 = 0.2438 BTC [-]

06:30:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00081 = 8.1 BTC [-]

06:37:20 xmj: Good morning.

06:47:31 kakobrekla: hi

06:54:48 fluffypony: gutentag

06:56:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.21009006 = 0.4202 BTC [-]

07:21:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00080218 = 0.8022 BTC [-]

07:39:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 180 @ 0.02021789 = 3.6392 BTC [+] {5}

07:40:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 30 @ 0.0202409 = 0.6072 BTC [+]

07:43:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.0008 = 4.8 BTC [-] {2}

07:52:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22947 @ 0.00080218 = 18.4076 BTC [+]

07:53:01 benkay: <BingoBoingo> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1707;sa=showPosts // what the fuck am i looking

07:53:02 assbot: Latest posts of: kslaughter

07:53:53 dub: with any luck the end of any need to further troll his victims

07:54:01 dub: its old now

08:04:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.0202409 = 0.1417 BTC [+]

08:05:09 assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 327 @ 0.00210072 = 0.6869 BTC [-]

08:21:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07209 = 0.2884 BTC [+] {2}

08:23:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 14 @ 0.0202409 = 0.2834 BTC [+]

08:40:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00080143 = 2.4043 BTC [-]

09:11:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 416 @ 0.02438471 = 10.144 BTC [+] {5}

09:12:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0245 = 0.1225 BTC [+]

09:38:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4390 @ 0.0008 = 3.512 BTC [-]

09:46:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 389 @ 0.0202409 = 7.8737 BTC [+]

10:01:18 BingoBoingo: benkay With any luck you were looking at someone's best efforts to spoil any money they might have already spent on lawyers.

10:03:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.21100517 = 0.422 BTC [+]

10:04:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.21100503 = 2.1101 BTC [-] {3}

10:09:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.21910428 = 1.7528 BTC [+] {4}

10:11:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 22 @ 0.22799999 = 5.016 BTC [+] {2}

10:12:56 pankkake: http://news.slashdot.org/story/14/06/03/0312232/seattle-approves-15-per-hour-minimum-wage notice the clever trick… it will be in 2021

10:12:57 assbot: Seattle Approves $15 Per Hour Minimum Wage - Slashdot

10:14:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.22 BTC [-]

10:15:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.22 BTC [-]

10:16:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.22 BTC [-]

10:30:39 moiety: good morning :D

10:40:41 jurov: hi moiety :)

10:41:08 jurov: you're up to a call to missouri, have you seen it?

10:41:31 jurov: (not anything urgent)

10:47:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 48 @ 0.07201187 = 3.4566 BTC [-] {2}

10:57:34 xmj: !up

10:57:39 xmj: well, that worked.

10:57:54 *: xmj can recommend tilaa.nl for FreeBSD VPS.

11:02:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.021502 = 0.2365 BTC [-] {2}

11:03:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.02111493 = 0.2111 BTC [-]

11:17:19 *: Naphex recommends using dedicated servers instead of virtual anything.

11:39:23 *: jurov recommends network of VPSes distributed to different suppliers

11:39:37 jurov: now if I can figure out how to sanely manage it

11:48:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16650 @ 0.00079366 = 13.2144 BTC [-]

11:49:31 xmj: jurov: ansible ?

11:49:32 Naphex: why would you do anything on a hypervisor you don't control is beyond me.

11:50:38 pankkake: because it's THE CLOUD

11:50:39 Naphex: you can even skip thinking that anything stored there is secure. cause everything is available to the hypervisor and who runs it

11:50:48 xmj: Do you run a binary linux distribution like Fedora/EL6,7/Centos, Debian, Ubuntu, ...?

11:50:59 Naphex: your ram, your encryption, your keys, your storage, your IRQs

11:51:34 Naphex: i compile from source on verified sum packages

11:51:45 fluffypony: I'm moving all of my sites on to iCloud

11:51:52 fluffypony: I'll be writing them in Swift

11:51:54 Naphex: then snapshot that and use it to clone servers

11:52:01 Apocalyptic: fluffypony, sounds like a win

11:52:32 fluffypony: Apocalyptic: yeah it's really going to save me having to learn JavaScript and using Node, that seemed way too complicated

11:52:57 fluffypony: although I hear mongoDB is the best database because even CoinBase uses it

11:53:08 Naphex: "Objective-C without the baggage of C."

11:53:17 Naphex: so..

11:53:52 Naphex: http://regmedia.co.uk/2014/06/02/swift_benchmark.jpg i like it how they beat python in it trololol

11:54:57 jurov: xmj when on every machine is potentially different distro, and even roles of the machines are different?

11:55:05 Apocalyptic: and they chose on the most used crypto algorithm today... behold RC4

11:55:09 Apocalyptic: *one

11:55:25 pankkake: why would you use a different distro?

11:55:44 jurov: because they don't offer the one i want?

11:55:51 pankkake: oh, well, that sucks

11:56:02 pankkake: though yes I don't use Gentoo on VPSes

11:57:00 jurov: but it has some sweet upsides, part of coinbr infrastructure is down all the time, i can fix it later when I have the time

11:57:20 jurov: nobody noticed so far :)

11:57:23 Naphex: well, it shouldn't be down in the first place

11:58:37 jurov: well, since the part(s) running mpexagent is/are at physically hardly accessible place

11:58:51 jurov: some redundance is in order

11:59:19 jurov: are your keys physically inaccessible at secret locations, naphex?

11:59:33 Naphex: jurov: what keys?

11:59:53 jurov: coinbr needs gpg keys to trade on mpex, obv

12:00:00 jurov: and they must be online

12:00:23 penguirker: New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/knc-neptune-20nm-wafers-headed-packaging/

12:00:41 jurov: so i had to hide them behind some layers... and using physical machines for all of them whould prohibitively expensive

12:00:55 xmj: jurov: as long as they have python installed, no problem

12:01:11 xmj: jurov: Ansible is pretty powerful even in heterogenous envs.

12:01:31 fluffypony: don't be sexist

12:01:37 fluffypony: even hetero servers need love

12:01:45 xmj: we use it from jenkins with different nix variants including centos and ubuntu

12:02:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.22001595 = 0.44 BTC [+]

12:02:13 Naphex: jurov: i have a whole cluster of servers :p secret keys run on encrypted hardware, servers run bare and have several layers of security & apis for it.

12:02:27 Naphex: cold wallets can just be multisig

12:03:34 xe4l: Morning

12:03:37 jurov: xmj i'm still pretty much in the beginning, so far it seems saltstack has more fitting primitives

12:03:45 Naphex: everything is physical, on _owned_ hardware in special datacenters.

12:05:00 jurov: good for you

12:05:10 xe4l: I dont't understand the need for special datacenters

12:05:32 Naphex: well, don't know how much of a need it is

12:05:38 jurov: =DCs protected by specnaz

12:05:42 xe4l: unless your saying private colo, as in you alone have physical access

12:05:49 xmj: jurov: saltstack is brilliant if you want a master/client setup with at least one master configuring multiple clients

12:05:51 xe4l: otherwise an EQ or whatever is equally good

12:05:55 Naphex: but having datacenters with qualified professinals and an actuall account manger. + guarded access to the datacenter

12:06:09 Naphex: also you don't want shitty datacenter support running with your hard drives

12:06:30 xmj: Naphex: I like owned hardware. Co-location and self-owning is factually less expensive. but you'll have to maintain the hardware, which can suck.

12:06:31 Naphex: so you better make sure if its serious you pick a very good datacenter, with protection and other several high profile customers

12:06:31 xe4l: can always get a cage at EQ and swap the locks out

12:06:53 Naphex: xmj: if you pick good hardware and balance rightly there is not that much maintainance

12:07:04 Naphex: i mean replace and ocassional broken drive every year or so

12:07:04 fluffypony: xmj: please don't be sexist

12:07:09 fluffypony: master/slave is bad terminology

12:07:16 xmj: Naphex: yep, but definitely more so than when you outsource that whole thing to someone.

12:07:17 Naphex: and deprecate/switch some servers

12:07:18 xe4l: The trick is to have your dynamic capacity all on the cloud and use the hardware for things requring a high degree of trust

12:07:25 xmj: Naphex: obviously depends on your biz model.

12:07:36 Naphex: i mean, if you're making dough

12:07:38 xmj: if you're interested in building infrastructure, that's different

12:07:40 Naphex: you better hire a sysadmin

12:07:43 Naphex: and some coders and a designer

12:07:47 Naphex: to maintain your shit

12:07:52 Naphex: or just quit or sell it or whatever

12:08:07 Naphex: no point in delusioning yourself forever with outsourcing, and clouds, and virtual stuff

12:08:15 xmj: Naphex: we're in 2014

12:08:31 xmj: clouds and virtual stuff _just works_ and has been for five years.

12:08:41 xmj: sysadmins are called 'devops engineers'

12:08:53 Naphex: well thats just washy washy

12:09:17 Naphex: too me it just sounds like lazy developers and lazy bussiness owners

12:09:26 Naphex: who just want to run their shit without every thinking about anything

12:09:29 Naphex: and meanwhile profiting

12:09:35 pankkake: the fact is that devops don't understand the first thing about unix

12:09:51 pankkake: my time at devops events = oh my god what am i doing here

12:10:23 Naphex: yes the webdevel generation

12:10:33 xe4l: there's a large disparity in the skillset of people with a devops

12:10:39 pankkake: it usually works fine until it doesn't

12:10:51 jurov: Naphex you do everything properly and they you get forced to surrender ssl cert to cloudflare anyway

12:11:01 jurov: upo thread of expulsion from the dc

12:11:22 Naphex: jurov: i've never heard of threat of explusion from dc, and if you get that just move. louzy dc

12:11:50 pankkake: that wasn't trolling?

12:11:51 Naphex: a dc should have proper ddos mitigations, and solutions for ddos/dos. and the worst case scenario they should cut your upstream

12:11:54 xe4l: I've never heard of that

12:11:54 Naphex: and recover after that

12:12:13 jurov: you have such dc in romania?

12:12:19 xe4l: Naphex: maybe if your dealing with bottom rate providers, why not build your own edge instead of using whatever blended they have

12:12:21 Naphex: jurov: yes

12:12:46 Naphex: i am very happy with my dc, they have everything <3

12:12:59 pankkake: but do they have clouds?

12:13:05 Naphex: nowadays yeah

12:13:13 Naphex: my AM tried to sell me some cloud :)

12:13:20 Naphex: i told him to shove it

12:13:30 Naphex: but i still doubt they sell any cloud

12:13:42 Naphex: most of their customers are banks, and all kinds of srsfolk

12:13:58 pankkake: do romanians pronounce cloud in funny ways too?

12:14:05 fluffypony: butt

12:14:09 Naphex: caca

12:14:16 Naphex: cacacloud

12:14:24 pankkake: lol

12:14:27 Naphex: i mean, hey if you want some virtualizing buy 10 servers, host some hypervisor

12:14:30 Naphex: and run them up and down

12:14:44 Naphex: host your sendmail on vps1, http vps2, whatever

12:14:56 pankkake: http://youtu.be/sU8Sge0nNJU

12:14:57 assbot: Clouds - Radical Cutting Methods - YouTube

12:15:03 fluffypony: my biggest gripe with the cloud

12:15:13 fluffypony: is that a VPS of any measurably decent performance

12:15:19 fluffypony: costs me the same as a dedi box

12:15:23 xe4l: not really

12:15:45 Naphex: i mean whats this thing about costs nowadays

12:15:48 xe4l: there are quite a few inexpensive cloud providers

12:15:49 fluffypony: xe4l: oversold resources cannot compete with dedicated resources

12:15:52 Naphex: or just everyone poor?:)

12:16:06 mircea_popescu: am i the only one that most enjoys writing dismissal letters of all the letter types there are ?

12:16:10 Naphex: 200eur/month for 32GBram sever, with 32 cores, and some fast storage

12:16:15 Naphex: run your shit forever

12:16:16 mircea_popescu: not even ransom notes are this much fun

12:16:16 xe4l: agreed, but that's not the use case of virtual servers really

12:16:23 xe4l: I wouldn

12:16:43 xe4l: run my main db on a vps, but I would run a bunch of read slaves, web servers, etc

12:16:52 xe4l: things I wanted to rapidly scale based upon demand

12:17:17 mircea_popescu: dub: im struggling with how this person is profiting from all this manip^HHHrket making << i don't see how it could be a single person, it makes no sense

12:17:22 mircea_popescu: also it's ^H^H^H

12:17:29 mircea_popescu: hi xe4l. who are you ?

12:17:33 xe4l: I doubt theres a single site in the alexa top 250 that runs purely off of cloud without basically purchasing the equiv of a physical box, eg: AWS provisioned vps

12:17:55 fluffypony: xe4l: last year I had to reindex a large database table (a necessary evil occasionally). I thought to offload it to a VPS provider, Linode or DigitalOcean or someone, so as to avoid needing to choke my db server. Needless to say, 12 hours in they shitcanned the VPS slice because of "excessive resource usage".

12:18:05 xe4l: friend of joecool, infosec/nix/network/etc person

12:18:15 fluffypony: so now if I need something like that I just fire up http://www.baremetalcloud.com and pay by the hour for a dedicated box to do the work

12:18:43 mircea_popescu: welcome.

12:18:49 xe4l: thank you

12:19:26 mircea_popescu: fluffypony, basically "the cloud" is just the new marketing gimmick, used to be "unmetered access shared servers" in 2004

12:19:34 fluffypony: yeah

12:19:38 mircea_popescu: get INFINITE BANDWIDTH for $5

12:19:40 xe4l: p.much

12:19:56 *: xe4l works for a very fast growing cloud hosting company

12:20:04 mircea_popescu: lmao

12:20:08 mircea_popescu: why in the hell.

12:20:46 mircea_popescu: *: Naphex recommends using dedicated servers instead of virtual anything. << im with him jurov. i would guess all the romanianz on the internet are with us. which means YOU ARE IN THE MINORITY. all of youse.

12:21:13 jurov: wut

12:21:48 mircea_popescu: fluffypony: I'll be writing them in Swift << and in a little while you can be known as rapedpony

12:21:56 fluffypony: hah hah

12:22:17 mircea_popescu: jurov, wut wut

12:22:39 jurov: trouble parsing that statement

12:23:03 pankkake: I've had to read it twice

12:23:09 pankkake: ovh really did have infinite bandwidth but they were apparently looking for it

12:23:44 mircea_popescu: pankkake, economics are economics. i get that the large peering networks mostly peer for free, but that "free" is a hidden cost

12:23:55 mircea_popescu: (you must offer equal capacity, which has a carrying cost on the books

12:24:13 fluffypony: Darkcoin fanbois eventually back down when cornered and admit there's no cryptographic grounding: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2751e8/psa_dont_fall_for_darkcoins_deceiving_marketing/chxy4wv?context=5

12:24:14 assbot: Ozziecoin comments on PSA: Don't fall for Darkcoin's deceiving marketing and pump and dump. It's just a copy of CoinJoin (created by a Bitcoin core dev, for Bitcoin), and does not give perfect anonymity.

12:24:25 mircea_popescu: and even if you do make it huge, the ops will just start charging you for THEIR carry capacity, which you've now made a scarce resource through your managerial incompetence)

12:24:53 mircea_popescu: fluffypony, what i like is how "a core dev" is dropping the use of his actual name.

12:25:15 fluffypony: "Evan brings Darkcoin over 17 years of software development experience and an interest in artificial intelligence, financial markets and economics."

12:25:33 fluffypony: because when you want a cryptographically sound solution to anonymity

12:25:47 fluffypony: what you really want is a VB.net developer with an economics background

12:26:02 pankkake: that is 17 years old

12:26:10 mircea_popescu: jurov: so i had to hide them behind some layers... and using physical machines for all of them whould prohibitively expensive << actually the one secret in all of btc i;m most curious about is the complete schematics of the rat's nest jurov no doubt built.

12:26:19 fluffypony: https://www.darkcoin.io/meetteam.html

12:26:20 assbot: DARKCOIN

12:26:24 fluffypony: "Kyle brings over 25 years of experience in System Administration and Development. "

12:26:29 fluffypony: more relevant skills

12:26:35 mircea_popescu: i don't tend to spy on allies (unlike the us, let it be pointed out) and so i guess that's one thing to look forward to once he's extradited

12:27:10 mircea_popescu: ok you two im bashing that

12:27:50 mircea_popescu: anyway, iirc coinjoin was gmaxwell's idea originally. ended up in a lengthy discussion with midnightmagic over its dismerits a year ago

12:28:08 jurov: mircea_popescu: it's kinda reverse of the schema of mpex proxies you have posted

12:28:37 mircea_popescu: jurov, i can't imagine there aren't piles of strange in there.

12:29:19 mircea_popescu: fluffypony, give them a link to that team of muppets, lemme find it

12:30:13 mircea_popescu: like "But was it <a href=http://fraudsters.com/2014/robert-keith-cristopher-jr-matt-sartain-kristian-thomson-cryptorush-much-comedy-lulzgoldmine/built from the ground up with security in mind</a> ?"

12:30:46 fluffypony: OH they keep throwing that out

12:30:54 fluffypony: or is that the X11coin crowd

12:30:56 fluffypony: yes them

12:31:06 fluffypony: so I link them to mintcoin files in the X11coin github repository

12:31:10 fluffypony: and they're like "FUD! FUD!"

12:31:20 mircea_popescu: lolk

12:31:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.000081 = 0.162 BTC [-] {2}

12:32:13 mircea_popescu: i wonder what % of github traffic can actually boot a physical machine in any arbitrary os provided they get the distro.

12:32:47 mircea_popescu: (lowest qualification for any driver : can actually start any one car, irrespective of make or model)

12:33:46 jurov: lol when i got for first time a (rented) car with automatic gear

12:33:59 jurov: could not figure out how to put it in reverse

12:34:08 jurov: had to read the manual for 10mins

12:34:11 mircea_popescu: Naphex: jurov: i have a whole cluster of servers :p secret keys run on encrypted hardware, servers run bare and have several layers of security & apis for it. << i wager someone paid for a lot of brazilian waxing so far.

12:34:15 fluffypony: I find automatics very jarring and disconcerting to drive, lol

12:34:27 mircea_popescu: yeah, they're the mac os of cardom.

12:34:36 pankkake: reverse seems to be the only non standard thing in cars

12:34:37 mircea_popescu: all the fucking buttons are in unexpected places.

12:34:56 pankkake: as for github I'd say under 10%

12:35:06 mircea_popescu: pankkake, remember back when it was cool ?

12:35:14 pankkake: what was cool?

12:35:25 fluffypony: cats

12:35:29 fluffypony: cars

12:35:33 jurov: ponies

12:35:33 fluffypony: now moiety is going to get excited

12:35:49 fluffypony: jurov: ponies have never been cool, I'm the eternal hipster

12:36:07 mircea_popescu: xe4l: can always get a cage at EQ and swap the locks out << actually most midrange dcs don't let you swap locks out

12:36:11 fluffypony: "Q: Sometimes I get redirected to another site called “organicmoneyfarm”, what the?" LOL!!

12:36:12 mircea_popescu: some charge a fee for it.

12:36:12 jurov: waitwhat? bronies != hipsters now?

12:36:30 pankkake: indeed, cars used to be cool and got you the girls

12:36:32 mircea_popescu: pankkake, githoob.

12:36:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 33 @ 0.07330533 = 2.4191 BTC [+] {3}

12:37:08 pankkake: I use giteub - teub is verlan for bite

12:37:20 pankkake: github is still cool, but I'm not

12:37:52 mircea_popescu: Naphex: no point in delusioning yourself forever with outsourcing, and clouds, and virtual stuff << exactly. and at this point i can't tell if xml is trolling or serious.

12:37:58 mircea_popescu: hey xml, you trolling or serious ?

12:38:38 jurov: you mean xe4l ?

12:39:16 mircea_popescu: no i mean http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2014#699790

12:39:17 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

12:39:39 mircea_popescu: xmj i guess. not my fault he makes me thing of xml.

12:39:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15574 @ 0.00079362 = 12.3598 BTC [-] {2}

12:39:44 jurov: oh he's clearly trolling

12:39:49 mircea_popescu: a ok.

12:40:10 jurov: but physical hw doesn't "just work" neither anymore

12:40:29 mircea_popescu: dude computers that "just work" are like girlfriends that "just fuck"

12:40:31 mircea_popescu: grow up.

12:41:38 jurov: i mean, that's fallacious argument

12:41:39 mircea_popescu: jurov: upo thread of expulsion from the dc << what shitcenter was this ?

12:41:49 xmj: mircea_popescu: if your girlfriend doesn't, then you're doing it wrong.

12:41:58 mircea_popescu: i don't have a girlfriend.

12:42:02 xmj: there you are

12:42:04 mircea_popescu: neither does jurov.

12:42:13 mircea_popescu: the reasons being, of course, outside of the realm of your priors.

12:43:42 jurov: what shitcenter was this ? most of faux-dcs i know about

12:44:00 mircea_popescu: Naphex: most of their customers are banks, and all kinds of srsfolk << that made my uvula bleed. when did banks become technologically apt omfg.

12:44:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16350 @ 0.00079389 = 12.9801 BTC [+]

12:44:57 mircea_popescu: pankkake: do romanians pronounce cloud in funny ways too? << cloud in romanian sounds pretty much like duncan mcloud from the clan mcloud.

12:45:26 pankkake: by bank can't even configure their ssl properly

12:47:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47350 @ 0.0007963 = 37.7048 BTC [+]

12:48:14 xe4l: most banks of a nice hardy shell and a gooey interior

12:48:15 mircea_popescu: im officially addicted to http://www.btcalpha.com/mpif-tracker/ nao

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12:48:28 mircea_popescu: mike_c you has ruined my internets productivity

12:48:30 xe4l: I obliterated my first fortune 10 pentest

12:48:31 xmj: mircea_popescu: case in point

12:48:37 xe4l: all in-scope systems in north america in 24 hours

12:48:54 mircea_popescu: xmj, im sorry ?

12:48:58 xmj: mircea_popescu: if you do a startup, with an idea in mind -- highlevel one -- and let yourself get distracted by hardware/network issues right in the beginning

12:49:15 xmj: mircea_popescu: then that's just you doing it very very wrong as those shouldn't be part of your business in the beginning.

12:49:25 xmj: s/business/core business/

12:49:47 jurov: xmj, you should praise github then

12:50:03 mircea_popescu: the universe where a heroic twentysomething starts leinterwebs bizniss is a very interesting fictional metaverse. we revel in retelling the stories of adventure and glory much like some women enjoy watching telenovellas.

12:50:06 xe4l: github actually has a decent setup these days

12:50:20 mircea_popescu: but meanwhile, business is made by businessmen not by aspi[rational] kids

12:50:23 Naphex: xmj: hey distracted, since when do you do high level apps, and not think about the hardware they are running or the performance you want to get out of it

12:50:34 Naphex: picking hardware to run your shit should be one of the first steps

12:50:40 jurov: with decent 0days...just that anyone can commit anything

12:50:40 Naphex: and if you can't do it, hire someone who can

12:50:57 *: xe4l works with the people that previously worked at github

12:51:11 mircea_popescu: xe4l, does that mean all the women or what ?

12:51:26 xe4l: no women from github yet

12:51:34 xe4l: devops people mostly

12:51:37 Naphex: <+mircea_popescu> Naphex: most of their customers are banks, and all kinds of srsfolk << that made my uvula bleed. when did banks become technologically apt omfg. << Maybe but they can pick good datacenters ;]

12:51:49 pankkake: jurov: but that's the spirit of open source! :)

12:51:53 mircea_popescu: now this may be true.

12:51:57 Naphex: and they will have a big sec status on their servers

12:51:58 xmj: Naphex: no, thoughts like that right in the beginning are expensive, spin up two-three VPS until you have a customer base to warrant and pay for those thoughts.

12:52:14 mircea_popescu: xmj srsly, you;re being stupid.

12:52:17 xmj: Naphex: bro do u even lean?

12:52:22 xmj: do u even bootstrap?

12:52:26 mircea_popescu: i dunno why you think you're entitled to put forth that nonsense in the company of adults, but don't.

12:52:35 mircea_popescu: !up joesmoe

12:52:46 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot joesmoe

12:52:46 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user joesmoe: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=joesmoe | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=joesmoe | Rated since: Tue Mar 12 17:07:21 2013

12:52:56 xmj: mircea_popescu: Listen kiddo. I'm talking how it's really done in here.

12:53:01 mircea_popescu: joesmoe, you'll need to get in assbot's l2 trust

12:53:16 xmj: You do not think about hardware until you get to a point where you can reasonably say you've run into scaling issues.

12:53:25 xmj: 75% of the startups I know run off AWS.

12:53:51 xmj: the others use heroku, rackspace or what-have-you cloud-based hosting.

12:53:51 xe4l: I ran my last venture off aws

12:53:55 xe4l: aws is terribly expensive though

12:54:12 mircea_popescu: i guess my ignore list was hungry.

12:54:14 Naphex: so basicly

12:54:16 Naphex: don't plan shit

12:54:21 mircea_popescu: ;;rate xmj -1 meets my definition of marauding idiocy.

12:54:23 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user xmj has been recorded.

12:54:32 Naphex: and run everything elsewhere not thinking about anything except your very nice hot new facebook app

12:54:40 Naphex: that you're doing high level expensive thinking on

12:54:48 xmj: ;;rate mircea_popescu -2 has no idea about lean startup strategy

12:54:49 gribble: Error: You do not meet qualifications for entering ratings.

12:54:56 xmj: well that's a shame.

12:55:10 fluffypony: startup strategy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKQdlXvbWSU

12:55:10 assbot: Ford Raptor jumps 90 feet! - YouTube

12:55:10 Naphex: lean startup strategy == fail startup strategy?

12:55:53 xe4l: the startup strategy I'm the most fond of at this point is to get the MVP out the door asap so your customers can begin to use your product

12:56:03 xmj: exactly

12:56:09 Naphex: see, now it takes 2 days

12:56:12 Naphex: to buy some servers

12:56:14 Naphex: and install em

12:56:23 xmj: and thinking about low-level crap like hardware and network infrastructure just is not conducive to your MVP.

12:56:32 xe4l: sadly, as much as is I love building the perfect thing on the first go, it's not terribly pheasable unless it's a b2b business

12:56:35 mircea_popescu: xe4l, what's the rush anyway.

12:56:41 xmj: exactly

12:56:44 xe4l: b2c demands you begin to get feedback from your customers

12:56:57 xe4l: so you can start tuning the product

12:56:59 mircea_popescu: or to put it in another perpsective, if you're in any hurry either your product isn't in a good enough market or your financial structure is shit.

12:57:02 Naphex: what have this people been brain washed to do

12:57:03 mircea_popescu: fix both first.

12:57:05 xmj: I'm not talking about business services.

12:57:17 xe4l: I agree with that mircea_popescu

12:57:31 Apocalyptic: <Naphex> what have this people been brain washed to do // kinda been wondering the same

12:57:33 xmj: mircea_popescu: Bootstrapped lean startups have next to no financial structure.

12:57:35 mircea_popescu: i mean sure, everyone gotta eat, so plentry of people will habve to be employed in marginal businesses.

12:57:48 mircea_popescu: but if you're claling your marginal business "A start-up" you're basically begging to work for free

12:57:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00079768 = 0.7977 BTC [+]

12:58:01 mircea_popescu: that's why salaries were invented : to pay for work in marginal businesses.

12:58:35 Naphex: i don't get most of the arguments anyway

12:58:45 Naphex: like its expensive to think about infrastructure

12:58:47 Naphex: and networking

12:58:50 Naphex: and bleah hardware

12:58:53 Naphex: the low level shit

12:58:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11808 @ 0.0007963 = 9.4027 BTC [-]

12:59:12 mircea_popescu: "it's too expensive to do what we should nbe doing but are too lazy to do"

12:59:15 jurov: Naphex, good sysdamins are cheap?

12:59:15 Apocalyptic: it requires a brain, and it's getting expensive to fond one these days

12:59:21 mircea_popescu: or how the us turned itself from a world power into a competitor for nigeria.

12:59:22 Apocalyptic: *to find

13:00:08 Naphex: to me this sounds exactly like the markting bull in the oldies, where you buy shitty 12$ hosting

13:00:09 xe4l: haha Apocalyptic damn tooin

13:00:13 Naphex: for your super uber new online bussiness

13:00:42 mircea_popescu: now where's that link

13:01:03 mircea_popescu: http://www.27bslash6.com/p2p2.html

13:01:04 assbot: "It's like twitter. Except we charge people to use it."

13:01:52 Naphex: is U.S. not producing any more good sysadmins?

13:01:55 Naphex: import some mexicans

13:02:04 xe4l: if anyone has a desire for strong anonymity, pm me, someone I know is setting up something interesting

13:02:14 Naphex: on cloud hosting

13:02:20 Naphex: with everything you do readable to everyone

13:02:46 Naphex: developed using lean mean startup strategy of makeing the website, and hosting the vps on amazon aws

13:02:51 Naphex: VPN*

13:04:01 chetty: oy vey, some of the 'thinking' going on here explains all the recent big data breeches nicely

13:04:45 Naphex: i've seen 16 y/o with access to hacked vps supervisors on pretty big providers

13:04:52 Apocalyptic: haha, thanks for the link mircea

13:05:16 mircea_popescu: chetty, for some reason benkay figured we need live examples of the ycombinator-and-clones "businessmen" for further lulz.

13:05:47 chetty: I guess we all could use a refresher every now and then

13:06:02 mircea_popescu: at least usagi & co have the excuse that they insistently make nonsensical claims because their brains don't actually work

13:06:06 Naphex: http://www.lean.org/whatslean/

13:06:07 assbot: What is Lean

13:06:13 Naphex: LEAN thinking

13:06:14 Naphex: so culty

13:06:26 Apocalyptic: Naphex, more like lean forward

13:06:41 Naphex: haha

13:06:43 xe4l: Naphex: hm, wonder how they got that access

13:06:55 xe4l: hypervisor escape exploit/

13:07:00 Naphex: xe4l: probably hacked em with shitty brute force scans

13:07:06 xe4l: lol probably

13:07:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26930 @ 0.00079827 = 21.4974 BTC [+] {2}

13:07:15 mircea_popescu: xe4l, nobody is going to drop such a valuable exploit on such a shitty thing

13:07:18 xmj: Note: I'm not saying how I'd do it.

13:07:18 xe4l: not very many elite 16 year olds these days

13:07:34 xe4l: eh you'd be surprised

13:07:37 Naphex: 16:07 <+mircea_popescu> xe4l, nobody is going to drop such a valuable exploit on such a shitty thing << you don't burn exploits

13:07:40 xmj: I say it how I've seen it in countless incubators, coworking spaces, and the likes.

13:07:46 mircea_popescu: now this my nbe true, my experience is 2nd hand.

13:07:48 *: xe4l has had some z days

13:08:11 xe4l: it's not burning it if no one gets your exploit

13:08:22 Naphex: oh someone will

13:08:27 mircea_popescu: ^

13:08:36 xmj: mircea_popescu: how long do you usually ignore people?

13:08:46 mircea_popescu: talk about securing bitcoin being hard.

13:10:06 chetty: hey lets throw some spagetti at the wall and see if it sticks

13:11:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.0007991 = 13.9843 BTC [+]

13:16:25 Mats_cd03: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sF-YBfnappM

13:16:26 assbot: Eminem - Mom's Spaghetti (remix) Original - YouTube

13:17:11 Mats_cd03: nvm this version sucks

13:23:26 bitcoinpete: ;;rate usagi -5 milkman who can't back up .dat file. not to be trusted with coins.

13:23:27 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -5 for user usagi has been recorded.

13:24:10 fluffypony: heh

13:26:32 bitcoinpete: fluffypony: i got a kick out of those later comments on the bitcointalk thread

13:26:57 bitcoinpete: https://twitter.com/bitcoinpete/status/473818072474984448

13:26:58 assbot: Lol funny watching /UsagiMeijin get his eyes pumped shut on the forums. What did he expect? https://t.co/UFbfHZzZqW

13:27:34 fluffypony: lol

13:28:41 bitcoinpete: so i've asked him to make his requests public on the comments section of my blog

13:28:57 Mats_cd03: i dunno why any of you bother

13:29:03 bitcoinpete: we'll see if he follows through or if he wants to be be all plaintextprivate

13:29:22 Mats_cd03: dude's sipping mai tais and lolling at a laptop somewhere in bermuda

13:29:55 bitcoinpete: Mats_cd03: and we're sipping manhattans and lolling at him

13:30:00 bitcoinpete: so?

13:30:12 Mats_cd03: drama llama

13:30:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28850 @ 0.00080244 = 23.1504 BTC [+] {3}

13:31:01 Naphex: "Actually I have to admit I am a little suprised at the negativity I'm getting over this, it's as if people automatically assume every failure is intentional."

13:31:05 Naphex: lol

13:31:31 Apocalyptic: is that an usagi quote ?

13:31:44 Apocalyptic: could be Karpeles

13:31:52 Naphex: its probably both

13:31:56 Naphex: hehe

13:34:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 321 @ 0.07144737 = 22.9346 BTC [-] {8}

13:35:48 Naphex: "give him all your money. maybe the next failure could be due to some rats chewing on the cables ??" i lol'd

13:36:09 fluffypony: thestringpuller: "Don't be a "fucking" retard, and watch your language with me." - lol, you have incurred the wrath of usagi!

13:36:43 fluffypony: "Do you want me to pull quotes from #bitcoin-assets too?"

13:36:53 fluffypony: usagi reads logs - HI USAGI!

13:37:13 Naphex: "This" makes me seem totally irresponsible. But here's the deal; we had regular, weekly, off-site backups. Even if someone got a hold of the backups they would be unable to take money out of the wallet without the password. And despite people saying "RAID is not a backup""

13:37:17 Apocalyptic: so fluffypony is allegedly a scammer now

13:37:22 Apocalyptic: this is getting better and better...

13:37:23 Naphex: too bad they can just grab your walletpassphrase from your code lolol

13:37:33 Naphex: or your bash history file, or just listening to your tty

13:37:38 fluffypony: Apocalyptic: I'm hoping to join the honoured ranks

13:38:06 pankkake: where are those quotes from?

13:38:12 pankkake: ;;gettrust usagi

13:38:13 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user pankkake to user usagi: Level 1: -2, Level 2: -3 via 7 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=pankkake&dest=usagi | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=usagi | Rated since: Mon Jun 18 12:33:55 2012

13:38:23 Naphex: was readying the usagi thread

13:38:35 Naphex: reading*

13:40:01 mircea_popescu: !up princessnell

13:41:04 mircea_popescu: <Mats_cd03> i dunno why any of you bother << cause their girlfriends have girlfriends of their own and so they get bored ?

13:41:52 princessnell: thx. morning all!

13:42:11 mircea_popescu: hey there.

13:42:38 princessnell: how goes it?

13:43:16 mircea_popescu: And despite people saying "RAID is not a backup"" << "... i classified it as off-site so it is in a sauna somewhere which is the highest security level there is."

13:44:02 fluffypony: "Did you know fluffypony is actually a well-known scammer who has ripped off dozens of people with his openrigs scam? I know -- what's he even doing here?"

13:44:10 fluffypony: lol

13:44:25 fluffypony: ,,rate fluffypony -1 obviously I'm a well-known scammer

13:44:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.22 = 1.54 BTC [-]

13:44:48 Naphex: well you do live in africa ;]]]

13:45:03 fluffypony: I haven't even told you that I'm a Nigerian prince yet

13:45:07 fluffypony: I was saving that for later

13:45:13 Naphex: hehe

13:46:01 Naphex: the new RS7/A7 looks gorgeus

13:46:02 Naphex: http://www.drivearabia.com/news/2014/06/03/2015-audi-a7-s7-rs-7-revealed-with-minor-facelift-uae-saudi-ksa-qatar-gcc/

13:46:02 assbot: 2015 Audi A7, S7 & RS 7 revealed with minor facelift | Drive Arabia : Dubai / Abu Dhabi [UAE, Saudi, Bahrain, Qatar, Kuwait, Oman & GCC]

13:48:17 fluffypony: pretty

13:49:24 bitcoinpete: more and more robotic looking

13:49:34 bitcoinpete: more like ironman's mask

13:49:46 fluffypony: they're deploying the transformers, bitcoinpete

13:49:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 31 @ 0.02806454 = 0.87 BTC [-] {5}

13:50:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 11 @ 0.0276 = 0.3036 BTC [-] {2}

13:52:04 bitcoinpete: robots in disguise lol

13:52:50 mike_c: mircea_popescu:im officially addicted to http://www.btcalpha.com/mpif-tracker/ nao << perhaps I should add a credits system :)

13:52:51 assbot: F.MPIF Live Tracker - Btc Alpha

13:53:39 fluffypony: lol!

13:53:44 fluffypony: paywall'd by mike_c

13:54:42 mike_c: hm.. all the #b-a blogs should charge the same credits, spend them to read the other blogs, get them when people read your blog. talk about a circle jerk.

13:54:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0737999 = 0.738 BTC [+]

13:55:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0738 = 0.369 BTC [+]

13:57:53 mike_c: xmj:;;rate mircea_popescu -2 has no idea about lean startup strategy << wait, shouldn't that merit a positive rating?

13:58:32 xmj: mike_c: not if he dislikes my stating how it is.

13:58:42 princessnell: lol so many ~lean startup~ lemmings in mordor

13:59:10 xmj: mike_c: if he shits on me for stating how other people do (and fail at) it, then yes, that does deserve negative ratings.

14:00:15 mike_c: well, i'm not looking to reignite that silly argument. "bootstrap lean fail-fast pivot" is a joke.

14:03:22 asciilifeform: is 'lean startup' a new euphemism for 'starving artist' ?

14:03:50 chetty: lean does not have to = stupid. Sadly most of them are.

14:04:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00080433 = 5.8716 BTC [+]

14:04:10 princessnell: such a fuzzy buzzy term

14:05:26 Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, you may not be too far

14:06:32 bitcoinpete: princessnell: from your rt: my wife works in the same field as her dad and my mother works in a related field to hers.

14:07:23 bitcoinpete: http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2014-06/03/silk-road-study

14:07:23 assbot: Study claims Silk Road reduced drug-related violence (Wired UK)

14:08:29 Mats_cd03: https://soundcloud.com/felixjaehn/felix-jaehn-shine-feat-freddy-verano-linying-2

14:08:30 assbot: Felix Jaehn - Shine (feat. Freddy Verano & Linying) by Felix Jaehn on SoundCloud - Hear the worlds sounds

14:10:09 fluffypony: ok so let me tell you about my new startup: it's going to be a one-click backup service called iWalletBackup. It will let you use Siri via raise-to-talk to back all your wallets up to iCloud. It's being written in Swift and will use mongoDB as a backend. It can scale nearly instantly because it will just fire up new AWS instances on-demand. Our development methodology is fail-fast-fail-often, where we'll write an iteration, and then once that

14:10:09 fluffypony: code has failed in production we'll shut the startup down, start a new one, buy the old one out, and then repeat. We call this Multi Startup Synergistic Prefailure, and it's inspired by the work of Tsukino Usagi.

14:10:25 princessnell: bitcoinpete i almost did the same and went into law. dodged a bullet there!

14:11:53 bitcoinpete: princessnell lol you definitely did!

14:12:14 Mats_cd03: 89baller

14:12:21 bitcoinpete: my choices were law and architecture

14:12:33 Mats_cd03: ^ baller, that is

14:12:37 bitcoinpete: bitcoin combines a bit of both, i suppose

14:13:08 bitcoinpete: fluffypony: step 1. blog, step 2. ipo

14:13:17 princessnell: ha, ya, it does

14:13:24 princessnell: also, re silk road, i love it when i beat <3science<3 by a few months: http://theumlaut.com/2013/08/13/silk-road-as-a-self-regulating-black-market/

14:13:25 assbot: Silk Road as a Self-Regulating Black Market | The mlaut

14:13:25 fluffypony: oh damn I forgot we need an IPO step for every failure

14:13:40 fluffypony: we're planning on monthly failure->IPO->buy out iterations

14:13:48 pankkake: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Sidekick_data_loss

14:13:48 assbot: 2009 Sidekick data loss - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

14:13:58 bitcoinpete: fluffypony: the ipo is only the most important part

14:14:02 bitcoinpete: it's where we get paid!

14:14:04 *: fluffypony feels ashamed

14:14:16 bitcoinpete: other than when we "forget to backup"

14:14:22 bitcoinpete: both = profit

14:14:24 fluffypony: as a KNOWN SCAMMER I should've known better

14:14:29 fluffypony: I have failed scammer-kind

14:14:40 bitcoinpete: ya why is openrigs still a private thing?

14:14:46 fluffypony: I have to commit scampukku

14:14:50 bitcoinpete: don't you want redditards to make money?

14:14:55 Mats_cd03: https://soundcloud.com/fkj-2/fkj-lying-together

14:14:56 assbot: FKJ - Lying Together by FKJ on SoundCloud - Hear the worlds sounds

14:15:07 fluffypony: bitcoinpete: I think I'm the world's worst scammer

14:15:32 fluffypony: you guys have seen this, right - http://coingen.io

14:15:33 assbot: Coingen

14:16:08 princessnell: o ya, made a sweet novelty coin for my pug

14:16:20 bitcoinpete: fluffypony: heard of things like that. $50 for a coin or w/e

14:16:29 fluffypony: so I think we should do IPOgen - it can create a website, a logo, an IPO forum post, and list you on CryptoStocks

14:17:14 jurov: i'd do IPO for cryptostocks relief fund

14:17:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 2219 @ 0.0000654 = 0.1451 BTC [-] {2}

14:17:19 jurov: and list it on CS, of course

14:17:24 fluffypony: and it could be recursive - the test of the code is that it must IPO itself

14:17:49 mike_c: coingen is how Altcoin was born

14:18:26 bitcoinpete: i don't think silbert could be any dumber: https://twitter.com/barrysilbert/status/473822123085950976

14:18:27 assbot: Exciting bitcoin possibilities too MT /Recode: What Apples Fingerprint ID Changes Mean for Its Big Mobile Payments http://t.co/Hx8fneUHbA

14:19:34 bitcoinpete: mike_c: didn't know that about altcoin… i don't know why i thought it was a costlier project

14:19:59 fluffypony: I think it's a great idea - your private key is made from your fingerprint. That way if you don't put your finger down *just* right you get a whole new privkey and can't access the old one till you figure out how you put your finger down previously

14:20:27 mike_c: cost != value :)

14:21:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33100 @ 0.00080169 = 26.5359 BTC [-] {3}

14:24:49 fluffypony: Mats_cd03: just letting it run through the recommended tracks is actually pretty awesome, Sound Cloud has gotten better and better for discovering music

14:25:49 bitcoinpete: mike_c: of course, you're right :)

14:26:15 bitcoinpete: fluffypony: or you could have 10 privkeys, one per finger. max!

14:26:26 fluffypony: great idea!

14:26:43 bitcoinpete: this will cut down on blockchain bloat

14:26:55 bitcoinpete: and make it so that iphones can carry the full blockchain

14:27:43 fluffypony: well the other nice thing is the harder it is for people to retrieve their privkeys, the more likely they are to be lost forever

14:27:55 fluffypony: which increases the value of Bitcoin by reducing the supply

14:28:11 fluffypony: so really they'd only be doing themselves a favour

14:28:58 jurov: cut all dem fingerz

14:30:49 bitcoinpete: finger thieves will replace haxxors

14:31:04 bitcoinpete: less scared of nsa, more scared of shop class

14:31:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 4685 @ 0.00004 = 0.1874 BTC [-]

14:38:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.21015158 = 1.6812 BTC [-] {8}

14:39:31 fluffypony: pankkake: we haven't discussed your fee yet, and u-saga wants to know how much we're paying you

14:39:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 61 @ 0.20340599 = 12.4078 BTC [-] {14}

14:40:26 fluffypony: [̲̅$̲̅(̲̅ιοο̲̅)̲̅$̲̅]

14:40:31 fluffypony: let me know if that's enough

14:40:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2 BTC [-]

14:47:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19550 @ 0.0007991 = 15.6224 BTC [-]

15:02:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.025499 = 0.1275 BTC [+] {5}

15:03:19 Mats_cd03: https://soundcloud.com/octobersveryown/drake-0-to-100

15:03:20 assbot: Drake ~ 0 to 100 / The Catch Up by octobersveryown on SoundCloud - Hear the worlds sounds

15:03:48 Mats_cd03: fun fact: drake is a canadian jew

15:04:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.025499 = 0.255 BTC [+]

15:05:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07100011 = 0.284 BTC [-]

15:06:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.0226 = 0.2034 BTC [+]

15:09:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.216 BTC [+]

15:09:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 247 @ 0.00060999 = 0.1507 BTC [-]

15:13:22 bitcoinpete: http://blogs.wsj.com/venturecapital/2014/06/02/bitcoin-startup-bitfurys-ceo-earlier-repped-notorious-market-ex-ua/

15:13:22 assbot: Bitcoin Startup BitFury’s CEO Earlier Repped ‘Notorious Market’ Ex.ua - Venture Capital Dispatch - WSJ

15:13:28 Mats_cd03: https://soundcloud.com/adultjazz/spook-1

15:13:28 assbot: Spook by Adult Jazz on SoundCloud - Hear the worlds sounds

15:13:58 bitcoinpete: "He said that BitFury is slated to open the world’s largest data center aimed at producing bitcoin near Tbilisi. It will have electric power capacity of 20 megawatts"

15:14:02 bitcoinpete: $250

15:14:11 bitcoinpete: $250M valuation for bitfury

15:16:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.18670056 = 1.867 BTC [-] {4}

15:17:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6823 @ 0.00080433 = 5.4879 BTC [+]

15:19:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0224 = 0.112 BTC [-] {2}

15:19:44 mike_c: !t h smg

15:19:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK:SMG] 1D: 0.00004000 / 4.833E-5 / 0.00006541 (7609 shares, 0.36772550 BTC), 7D: 0.00004000 / 4.921E-5 / 0.00007210 (8009 shares, 0.39413104 BTC), 30D: 0.00004000 / 6.26E-5 / 0.00009920 (22814 shares, 1.42811808 BTC)

15:21:38 mike_c: does nobody in here have a havelol account? i guess it's not worth picking up the bit-dime in arbitrage.

15:23:57 bitcoinpete: ;;later tell jurov wondering if you can do transfer of s.mg from havelol to coinbr…

15:23:58 artifexd: mike_c: I have one. It's empty but it exists. What do you need?

15:23:58 gribble: The operation succeeded.

15:24:41 mike_c: well, i don't need anything. just saying there is arbitrage available between havelock smg passthrough and mpex.

15:25:10 mike_c: but transferring shares off havelock is prohibitively expensive, which is probably why nobody bothers.

15:27:21 artifexd: 1BTC minimum fee per transfer?!

15:27:33 Mats_cd03: how long does it take for BB to deposit winnings following resolution

15:27:33 artifexd: Yeah. "Prohibitively expensive" is right.

15:28:50 mike_c: artifexd: so where does that leave the shares. owning a share of s.mg on havelock is only worth 50% as much as a share on mpex. crazy, huh. they are way overpricing those havelock shares :)

15:29:03 bitcoinpete: artifexd: blimey

15:30:11 mike_c: Mats_cd03: dunno, but i think less than a day in general.

15:31:38 Mats_cd03: http://bitbet.us/bet/802/bitcoin-to-drop-under-300-before-june 2 days :(

15:31:38 assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $300 before June :: 4.75 B (10%) on Yes, 41.24 B (90%) on No | closed 1 week 2 days ago

15:31:52 artifexd: You'd need over 25k shares to cover a 50% arb. There aren't that many shares for sell under .00009 on havelol.

15:35:18 bitcoinpete: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ballmer-brings-cheer-competitiveness-clippers-164905128--finance.html

15:35:20 assbot: Ballmer brings cheer, competitiveness to Clippers - Yahoo Finance

15:35:28 bitcoinpete: cheer > racism

15:37:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 16 @ 0.20986614 = 3.3579 BTC [+] {6}

15:43:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 65 @ 0.00351102 = 0.2282 BTC [+]

15:44:11 mike_c: Mats_cd03: that one has already been paid out..

15:47:28 Mats_cd03: mike_c: http://bitbet.us/bet/802/bitcoin-to-drop-under-300-before-june/#b58 i dont see the funds https://blockchain.info/address/17HvePmDqPnKjZ79FrB1yicZPqyxTN4BnR

15:47:28 assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $300 before June :: 4.75 B (10%) on Yes, 41.24 B (90%) on No | closed 1 week 2 days ago

15:47:29 assbot: Bitcoin Address 17HvePmDqPnKjZ79FrB1yicZPqyxTN4BnR

15:48:05 bitcoinpete: huh

15:49:09 Mats_cd03: am i high and missing something

15:49:22 mike_c: i don't think you are.

15:49:27 bitcoinpete: no, none have been paid yet

15:50:02 Mats_cd03: ok

15:51:15 mike_c: well how the hell are you supposed to know that? it says it's been paid out.

15:51:33 mike_c: paging kakobrekla.

15:52:23 nubbins`: ;;view

15:52:26 gribble: #20672 Mon Jun 2 11:57:18 2014 nubbins` SELL 1.0 OFFICIAL #bitcoin-assets t-shirt @ 0.03722 BTC (Worldwide shipping included. Optional '#bitcoin-assets / freenode' text on back. http://imgur.com/jmcSFTx)

15:53:36 artifexd: nubbins`: How many orders have you received for those shirts?

15:53:44 nubbins`: 8 shirts so far

15:55:48 bitstein: I may order one soon. That looks awesome.

15:56:18 kakobrekla: ;;later tell mircea_popescu <mike_c> paging kakobrekla.

15:56:19 gribble: The operation succeeded.

15:56:33 bitstein: This happened to me once: https://i.imgur.com/k7lRM00.jpg

15:56:42 mike_c: that's confusing.

15:58:59 bitcoinpete: bitstein: lol classic

15:59:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.03262148 BTC to 8`452 shares, 24049 satoshi per share

16:00:01 nubbins`: see, i understand "check your bitcoin privilege" to have an opposite meaning to the general "check your privilege"

16:00:09 artifexd: So what are the "reasons that BTC is overwhelmingly white and male"? And why does "it matter"?

16:00:18 nubbins`: artifexd: don't ask us, ask her :D

16:00:31 artifexd: Is she in here?

16:00:40 nubbins`: she's on twitter

16:00:53 artifexd: Ich

16:01:18 *: nubbins` shrugs

16:03:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.18625552 BTC [-]

16:05:18 chetty: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/sec-charges-bitcoin-entrepreneur-for-share-offering-2014-06-03?mod=latestnewssocialflow&link=sfmw

16:05:19 assbot: SEC charges bitcoin entrepreneur for share offering - MarketWatch

16:06:02 nubbins`: HEH

16:06:04 benkay: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/sec-charges-bitcoin-entrepreneur-for-share-offering-2014-06-03?mod=latestnewssocialflow&link=sfmw

16:06:05 assbot: SEC charges bitcoin entrepreneur for share offering - MarketWatch

16:06:17 benkay: i got up to share no fair

16:06:18 *: nubbins` shrugs

16:06:20 nubbins`: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/sec-charges-bitcoin-entrepreneur-for-share-offering-2014-06-03?mod=latestnewssocialflow&link=sfmw

16:06:20 assbot: SEC charges bitcoin entrepreneur for share offering - MarketWatch

16:06:26 fluffypony: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/sec-charges-bitcoin-entrepreneur-for-share-offering-2014-06-03?mod=latestnewssocialflow&link=sfmw

16:06:27 assbot: SEC charges bitcoin entrepreneur for share offering - MarketWatch

16:06:29 nubbins`: hahaha

16:06:45 chetty: fluffypony, I beat you to it

16:06:57 fluffypony: chetty: I know, I was just trying to be cool like you guys

16:06:57 fluffypony: :-P

16:06:59 benkay: sec confirmed to be criminals, prosecuting people who do it all above board over the outright frauds

16:07:19 nubbins`: "Voorhees agreed to settle the charges by giving up the profits of $15,843.98 and paying a penalty of $35,000."

16:07:29 chetty: yeah, they are tryihng to look busy I guess, got to earn those bonus

16:07:39 nubbins`: VOORHEES AGREED TO FORK OVER 50BTC

16:07:44 *: nubbins` gasps at the horror

16:07:45 fluffypony: "giving up the profits of $15,843.98 and paying a penalty of $35,000"

16:07:51 fluffypony: oh ffs nubbins`

16:07:53 benkay: and in other, slightly related news, the creator of satoshi dice's daughter died in a plane crash

16:07:55 fluffypony: stop beating me to it

16:08:03 chetty: lmao

16:08:07 nubbins`: fluffypony: suid afrika needs fibre internet

16:08:09 fluffypony: lol

16:08:12 nubbins`: your bits are too slow

16:08:18 benkay: and you're running out

16:08:24 fluffypony: benkay: who created satoshi dice's daughter?

16:08:27 fluffypony: confused

16:08:41 fluffypony: oh - you mean the daughter of the satoshi dice creator

16:08:45 fluffypony: ffs my brain

16:08:58 benkay: i labored over the sentence for maximum confuse

16:09:02 mike_c: that must have been a great phone call. "Mr. Voorhees, give us 50 btc and it all goes away". "Uhh, seriously? Ok!"

16:09:07 jurov: bitcoinpete: that's question for havelol, not me, if they do s.mg transfers to mpex at all.

16:09:29 benkay: how did they come to the 15k number?

16:09:33 benkay: ipo raise in fiat?

16:09:39 nubbins`: who the fuck knows?

16:09:45 nubbins`: how did they come to $35k?

16:09:53 nubbins`: definitely took more money than that to get to this point

16:10:30 chetty: yeah it almost reads like a joke

16:10:37 nubbins`: "the sec is pleased to announce that it suffered a net loss of only $150,000 in securing mr voorhees' conviction"

16:10:49 nubbins`: maybe dr foreskin is their supervisor?

16:11:07 chetty: sec can't lose money, they just get more of yours

16:11:34 bitcoinpete: jurov: aok

16:11:50 nubbins`: well, not lose in the sense of "we can't find it"

16:12:13 nubbins`: more lose in the sense of "we paid a bunch of shitbags their wages for doing pointless work, and they blew their money on nail painting and chicken bowls"

16:12:25 Mats_cd03: this cathy doesnt get it

16:12:50 nubbins`: if she got it, she wouldn't work for motherboard

16:12:55 chetty: http://www.sec.gov/litigation/admin/2014/33-9592.pdf

16:14:03 chetty: In anticipation of the institution of these proceedings, Respondent has submitted an Offer

16:14:03 chetty: of Settlement (the ?Offer?) which the Commission has determined to accept

16:14:04 fluffypony: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=635317

16:14:05 assbot: Myth: the Payment Protocol is bad for privacy

16:15:05 fluffypony: reign of fire

16:15:17 fluffypony: "You wasted two years of time to develop this useless feature, while there were so much more important issues to address in the bitcoin software.

16:15:17 fluffypony: And here we are; few years later, the blocks are getting full and the only solution the bitcoin core lead dev has to address it, is still the same: we must increase the block size! "

16:15:38 chetty: At the time of the

16:15:38 chetty: SatoshiDICE

16:15:39 chetty: offerings, the USD value of the total

16:15:39 chetty: bitcoin

16:15:39 chetty: s

16:15:39 chetty: raised was

16:15:41 chetty: approximately

16:15:43 chetty: $

16:15:45 chetty: 7

16:15:47 chetty: 22,659

16:15:49 chetty: .

16:15:51 chetty: In July 2013,

16:15:53 chetty: SatoshiDICE

16:15:53 fluffypony: much flood

16:15:55 chetty: bought back all outstanding SatoshiDICE sha

16:15:57 chetty: res from investors at a price of 0.0035

16:15:59 chetty: bitcoins per share

16:16:02 benkay: oh chetty

16:16:03 chetty: ,

16:16:05 chetty: for a total of 45,500 bitcoins

16:16:07 chetty: .

16:16:08 benkay: lol that comma

16:16:09 chetty: D

16:16:11 chetty: ue to the significant rise in the exchange rate of

16:16:13 chetty: b

16:16:15 chetty: itcoin, the total USD amount paid to investors in the SatoshiDICE buy

16:16:17 chetty: -

16:16:19 chetty: back transaction

16:16:21 chetty: (approximately $3.8 mil

16:16:23 chetty: lion) exceeded the total USD amount raised

16:16:25 chetty: oops sorry

16:16:31 TomServo: What kind of retarded clipboard you runnin' over there?

16:16:39 chetty: darn pdfs, anyway thats the SEC filing on Eric

16:16:42 bitcoinpete: fluffypony: http://www.coindesk.com/south-african-smart-meters-incorporate-bitcoin-prepaid-electricity/ you win!

16:16:43 assbot: Bitcoin Smart Meters Could Revolutionise How South Africans Pay for Power

16:17:49 fluffypony: bitcoinpete: nobody uses those fancy ones except in like brand new super-wealthy residential estates

16:17:51 fluffypony: we're still on post-paid

16:18:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3980 @ 0.00080433 = 3.2012 BTC [+]

16:18:32 bitcoinpete: fluffypony: well, i just figured that with all the private jets...

16:18:40 fluffypony: lol

16:18:50 fluffypony: I like my electricity post-paid

16:19:22 chetty: paste bin isnt much better but for those non-pdf folks: http://pastebin.com/QDZhnsuh

16:19:22 assbot: UNITED STATES OF AMERICA Before the SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION SECU - Pastebin.com

16:19:23 bitcoinpete: like your womenz

16:19:41 fluffypony: bitcoinpete: exactly

16:20:08 bitcoinpete: and with that, i'm off for now. bbl fo sho

16:20:18 nubbins`: "The shares were listed on an entity known as the Global Bitcoin Stock Exchange (“GLBSE”), which purported to run a Bitcoin stock exchange."

16:20:19 nubbins`: lelel

16:20:23 danielpbarron: <+artifexd> So what are the "reasons that BTC is overwhelmingly white and male"? And why does "it matter"? << https://twitter.com/danielpbarron/status/473860965055078400

16:20:24 assbot: The worst thing is there's actually a case to be made. But this is extraordinarily ignorant. http://t.co/BCWxgWZKLp /ARStrasser /Antiwar2

16:20:53 chetty: The shares of SatoshiDICE were listed on MPEx, a

16:20:54 chetty: purported Bitcoin trading platform based in Romania

16:21:31 mike_c: who purported that?

16:24:14 fluffypony: the SEC couldn't get an official response because they're not in the WoT

16:24:15 nubbins`: [citation needed]

16:24:18 nubbins`: [who?]

16:24:19 nubbins`: etc

16:24:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 62 @ 0.00351102 = 0.2177 BTC [+]

16:24:35 chetty: Respondent may pay by certified check, bank cashier?s check, or United States postal

16:24:35 chetty: money order, made payable to the Securities and Exchange Commission and hand

16:24:35 chetty: -

16:24:35 chetty: delivered or mailed

16:24:35 chetty: to:

16:24:50 chetty: payment in USD not bitcoins

16:24:55 nubbins`: "hey guys, all i have is like 60k bitcoins... can i pay with these?"

16:25:44 BCB: http://www.sec.gov/News/PressRelease/Detail/PressRelease/1370541972520#.U432_vk7u-0

16:25:45 assbot: SEC.gov | SEC Charges Bitcoin Entrepreneur With Offering Unregistered Securities

16:26:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00080681 = 4.9215 BTC [+]

16:26:39 chetty: oh and he isn't allowed to play for 5 years

16:26:52 fluffypony: YOU'RE GROUNDED

16:26:54 nubbins`: "The SEC’s investigation was conducted by Daphna A. Waxman, Daphne P. Downes, and Philip R. Moustakis of the New York Regional Office. Ms Waxman's contribution was particularly unimpressive; she has left the SEC to pursue other ventures."

16:26:59 artifexd: danielpbarron: Thanks, but I just notice that conversation is over 3 months old. Probably a little late to get into it with her.

16:28:17 danielpbarron: artifexd, lol so what? this is twitter

16:28:38 danielpbarron: conversations can take place over any time period, between any number of individuals, and with any number of forks and sub-topics

16:29:06 danielpbarron: it's not stupid facebook where all replies are a big wall of tldr; under the original post

16:29:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1199 @ 0.00012426 = 0.149 BTC [+] {2}

16:30:00 princessnell: danielpbarron she won't respond. she did write an addendum, though: http://bitcoinwoman.com/index.php/bit-woman/stories/126-bitcoin-s-actual-privilege-problems-by-cathy-reisenwitz

16:30:01 assbot: Bitcoins Actual Privilege Problems by Cathy Reisenwitz

16:30:46 princessnell: basically women can't code cause patriarchy and that's bad, mmkay

16:31:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.02100011 = 0.21 BTC [-]

16:33:31 benkay: what a cloud war

16:33:33 benkay: my goodness

16:33:42 bitstein: Did she tell that to Ada Lovelace?

16:33:44 benkay: so a use case

16:34:20 nubbins`: i think the gist of that piece is "it behooves us all to get as many people as possible into bitcoin"

16:34:21 benkay: i have clients. they have applications and no employees running the applications. they have their own aws account, and their code gets provisioned onto that.

16:34:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0738987 = 0.2217 BTC [-]

16:34:33 nubbins`: i'm not fully sure that that's a sound premise

16:34:40 benkay: but we're all derpy americans.

16:35:25 chetty: well women take absolute privilege - to never take responsibility and blame all on being women, or so they think

16:35:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1403 @ 0.00016079 = 0.2256 BTC [+] {5}

16:36:12 bitstein: My issue is even if we were to assume that to be true, whining about it on Twitter and on blogs does nothing to solve the problem. If you want to address that, write software that makes Bitcoin easier to use and accessible to more people. If you can't code, learn a language and help translate. Essentially, do anything *but* whine on Twitter and your blog.

16:36:12 pankkake: it's weird to name yourself bitcoinwoman

16:36:19 pankkake: you're supposed to have a unique name

16:36:25 pankkake: there is only one bitcoin woman?

16:36:32 pankkake: well there is only one bitcoinpete

16:36:37 TomServo: wasn't there a wife too?

16:36:47 pankkake: other petes are forbidden from bitcoining

16:37:16 TomServo: thebitcoinwife.com

16:37:16 princessnell: nubbins' the gist of that piece is clickbait + feels

16:37:26 bitstein: There is "truebitcoingirl" - https://twitter.com/truebitcoingirl . princessnell is a phony.

16:37:28 assbot: Bitcoin Girl (TrueBitcoinGirl) auf Twitter

16:37:31 chetty: typical tard tho, blog and whine. Doing something takes work ya know

16:37:36 princessnell: pankkake there's a whole cottage industry of bitcoin lady #brands

16:38:19 nubbins`: i still think calling yourself "the bitcoin wife" is incredibly self-deprecating

16:38:21 nubbins`: but that's just me

16:38:23 chetty: and some of us (bitcoin women) are actually doing stuff even

16:38:53 nubbins`: ^

16:39:43 jurov: inb4 bitcoin grandma

16:39:58 danielpbarron: part of my argument comes from my belief in The Bible which clearly says that all women should submit to a man (whether their father or their husband) and they should only do something (like coding, for example) if their man ordered them to do so; it's not a very responsible man that delegates his programming needs to a woman (who is probably better suited for things like child-rearing (although exceptions may apply))

16:40:03 TomServo: blowstampgrandma

16:40:07 jurov: (i can totally see something like that come from SA)

16:40:39 pankkake: I had no idea chetty was a bitcoin woman until a few weeks ago, which is how things should usually be on the internet

16:40:46 pankkake: nobody should know if you're a dog

16:40:53 pankkake: TomServo: lel

16:40:59 princessnell: i used to think to myself "well, these women are at least promoting the tech in a way that other women can understand." but they're only thinking of it as a consumption tool, which is worse than doing nothing at all.

16:41:39 chetty: well I don't make an issue of it, its not relevant

16:42:06 nubbins`: ^

16:42:27 princessnell: jurov http://bapka.com/grandma-bitcoin/

16:43:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1500 @ 0.0001914 = 0.2871 BTC [+]

16:45:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 34 @ 0.02100011 = 0.714 BTC [-]

16:45:44 jurov: yup, polish bapka :)

16:49:10 fluffypony: I always figured this is pankkake - http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/disco-mann-4820691.jpg

16:49:29 pankkake: lol, not at all

16:49:34 fluffypony: :-P

16:50:09 pankkake: I am very boring looking

16:50:12 fluffypony: http://messynessychic.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/screen-shot-2011-04-05-at-04-23-43.png

16:52:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6950 @ 0.00080681 = 5.6073 BTC [+]

16:53:49 nubbins`: i did a portrait of pankkake once

16:53:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 87 @ 0.06220542 = 5.4119 BTC [-] {20}

16:53:53 nubbins`: forget where it ended up

16:54:54 pankkake: I didn't save it

16:56:39 fluffypony: pankkake: maybe BMF stands for "Backup My Funds" ?

16:56:42 fluffypony: :-P

16:57:39 pankkake: butt my fuck

16:57:49 pankkake: https://unsee.cc/mabozise/ for an actual drawing of me

16:57:50 assbot: Unsee — Free online private photo sharing

16:58:21 fluffypony: "draw me like one of your French girls" ?

16:58:27 nubbins`: ^

16:58:36 nubbins`: "rapper 50 cent accepts btc for new album; refuses to change name"

16:58:54 pankkake: he would have to change his name every week

17:00:36 nubbins`: nah man

17:00:38 nubbins`: think in btc

17:00:59 nubbins`: the usd/cad value fluctuates all the time, but we still call him 50 cent here

17:01:50 pankkake: fifty bits? fithy satoshi?

17:03:59 pankkake: ;;ticker --market bitcoincentral --currency eur

17:04:01 gribble: Bitcoin-Central BTCEUR ticker | Best bid: 489.0, Best ask: 490.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.00000, Last trade: 489.0, 24 hour volume: 130.59839747, 24 hour low: 455.00021, 24 hour high: 489.0, 24 hour vwap: 476.29561153

17:09:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.03019968 = 0.1208 BTC [+]

17:13:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 30 @ 0.18334297 = 5.5003 BTC [-] {10}

17:15:37 chetty: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/277ohp/quick_statement_on_the_sec_erik_voorhees/

17:15:37 assbot: Quick statement on the SEC - Erik Voorhees : Bitcoin

17:19:14 fluffypony: "Rune_And_You 0 points 4 minutes ago (1|0)

17:19:14 fluffypony: I think it's quite funny that a subreddit will end up becoming the center of the new financial reality. In a couple of years we'll have goldman sachs execs making sure to post all their bitcoin related announcements here. ;)"

17:23:09 pankkake: lol

17:29:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.02100011 = 0.105 BTC [-]

17:40:14 jurov: wait what, sec officially posted the communique to reddit?

17:43:01 fluffypony: no

17:43:04 fluffypony: Erik did

17:51:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19505 @ 0.00081801 = 15.9553 BTC [+]

18:06:51 Naphex: soo the sec investigators were named

18:06:59 Naphex: daphna and daphne?

18:07:03 Naphex: nice.

18:08:06 moiety: ya? well, I'm still CrazyBTCCatLady so no one forget that ok?

18:08:08 Naphex: http://www.sec.gov/News/PressRelease/Detail/PressRelease/1370541972520#.U44N5qX6irw

18:08:09 assbot: SEC.gov | SEC Charges Bitcoin Entrepreneur With Offering Unregistered Securities

18:08:15 *: moiety is reading the log btw

18:09:45 moiety: all these bitcoinwumins running around the place

18:14:37 mike_c: i don't know why everyone is so worried about women in bitcoin. the number of foreigners in bitcoin seems like a much bigger problem.

18:15:05 xmj: it does.

18:15:16 xmj: let's hate on all who do not reside in Luna Free Republic.

18:16:17 Mats_cd03: lets skip to the part where bitcoiners use kinetic weapons against the surface

18:17:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 14 @ 0.19842742 = 2.778 BTC [+] {6}

18:17:13 benkay: lets skip to the part where various bitcoiners have their own nukes

18:17:25 benkay: also i have 6 hours of driving today: audiobook suggestions?

18:17:38 Mats_cd03: i like pimsleur if youre trying to listen to foreign language tapes

18:18:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.19856332 = 0.5957 BTC [+] {2}

18:18:48 jurov: let's skip to the part where bitcoiners have personal drivers

18:19:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4095 @ 0.00081801 = 3.3498 BTC [+]

18:19:57 benkay: <jurov> let's skip to the part where bitcoiners have personal drivers // sign my poor ass up

18:26:39 moiety: jurov: 1. can i skip the personal drive and just have a manul instead? 2. was it me you were looking for earlier?

18:27:19 jurov: moiety yes, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2014#699435

18:27:19 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

18:29:26 moiety: ah thanks jurov, i'm reading backwards, which hasn't turned out to be the best plan

18:29:53 jurov: and yes, i'm sure someone in russia will exchange nukes for manuls

18:30:30 jurov: or orbital platforms

18:31:04 moiety: totally fine! I'm sure i have a couple spare lying around

18:31:12 Mats_cd03: is there anything you can't buy in russia

18:34:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 589 @ 0.00046597 = 0.2745 BTC [-] {11}

18:35:31 thestringpuller: ;;later tell nubbins` i misse you sorry

18:35:31 gribble: The operation succeeded.

18:35:52 thestringpuller: fluffypony: usagi thinks I'm shit talking him here when all I'm doing is stating the obvious

18:35:58 thestringpuller: MPCD out performed NYAN

18:36:16 thestringpuller: MPCD.A wasn't even insured but lost no value

18:37:06 moiety: Mats_cd03: Putin's acceptance.

18:43:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.199 BTC [+]

18:44:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07387999 = 0.5172 BTC [-] {3}

18:44:43 midnightmagic: our discussion centred on how you thought he was using a coinjoin'd transaction (re: "I taint the rich!" bitcointalk thread) to steal peoples' money or use the transaction as a historical proof that he had "access" to it in some form and thereby mislead less enlightened people for the purposes of loans or business shenanigans.

18:45:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07389 = 0.2217 BTC [+]

18:45:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.199 = 1.791 BTC [+]

18:57:44 princessnell: http://www.businessinsider.com/vital-named-to-board-2014-5

18:57:44 assbot: VITAL Named To Board - Business Insider

18:57:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07389 = 0.7389 BTC [+]

19:00:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.02100011 = 0.126 BTC [-]

19:06:37 bitstein: http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2014/06/03/mastercoin-maidsafe-crowdsale/

19:06:38 assbot: The First 'Bitcoin 2.0' Kickstarter-like Campaign Was A Wildly Successful $7 Million Disaster - Forbes

19:07:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1000 @ 0.00030045 = 0.3005 BTC [+] {3}

19:08:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 4402 @ 0.00030201 = 1.3294 BTC [+] {2}

19:08:46 BingoBoingo: xmj: mircea_popescu maybe revists his ignore list annually...

19:09:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 17 @ 0.07389 = 1.2561 BTC [+]

19:09:05 xmj: Ok

19:09:09 BingoBoingo: xmj: I'm also contemplating dedicated hardware for a simple wordpress blog.

19:09:15 xmj: mutual plonking, then..

19:09:32 xmj: BingoBoingo: I'm not saying dedicated is better, or virtualized is better.

19:09:56 xmj: I'm describing my experience with startups, and they do not care one iot about buying hardware if they can just rent/lease

19:10:20 BingoBoingo: xmj: Well, it is a little hard to weld a VPS shut before you drive it to the colo rack.

19:10:46 xmj: why would you drive to the colo rack :p

19:11:11 xmj: get a minion to do that for you.

19:11:50 BingoBoingo: xmj: You drive there yourself so you can see if the place is somewhere you can comfortably park a server.

19:13:06 xmj: yeah, that's what you do the first time..

19:13:10 mike_c: %t

19:13:11 atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 143 Ask: 185 Last Price: 143 24h-Vol: 144k High: 144 Low: 143 VWAP: 143

19:14:00 mike_c: hey mod6, how come atcbot won't talk to me in query?

19:14:31 BingoBoingo: xmj: How many times do you need to replace well configured setups anyway?

19:14:47 mod6: doesn't do priv chat

19:15:06 xmj: BingoBoingo: why replace when you can add :-)

19:15:09 mike_c: any reason? worried about spam or something?

19:15:18 benkay: http://www.mjfreeway.com/executive-team

19:15:20 assbot: Executive Team | MJ Freeway

19:15:33 xmj: BingoBoingo: seriously. i'm sure it's cheaper to have the server sent to the datacenter and hooked up by a technician

19:15:54 Naphex: is this the whole expensive thinking discussion again?

19:15:59 Naphex: its simple

19:16:07 xmj: no, this is opportunity costs and econ 101.

19:16:08 BingoBoingo: xmj: Why would adding happen at the same data center. "Rats Nest" is a perfectly defensible infrastructure strategy.

19:16:10 Naphex: if you need secure shit, or you want your data secure you don't use VPS

19:16:11 Naphex: period

19:16:29 Naphex: if you're working on any app that doesn't need that, host it wherever you like

19:16:32 Naphex: in ze cloud

19:19:32 *: BingoBoingo is thinking of Sun workstation case with rail kit, stuffed full of dev boards and ssds for "blog server", plastic stripped off, welded shut.

19:19:45 Naphex: sounds good!

19:22:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.07389913 = 3.695 BTC [+] {4}

19:22:31 BingoBoingo: Naphex: Basically, taking the "micro cloud" concept and adding a dash of shop class. Then when it's down to one functioning board and/or disk replacing the unit.

19:24:11 mod6: mike_c: yeah, i think that was the reasoning.

19:25:49 BingoBoingo: %book

19:25:50 atcbot: 40k@205 0k@200 10k@185 | 22k@143 100k@141 250k@140

19:26:51 mod6: mike_c: I'll add that to the list of stuff. I'll let you know.

19:27:13 mike_c: cool. thanks. didn't there used to be a way to get 30day vol?

19:27:40 mod6: not that I remember...

19:28:03 mike_c: Apocalyptic: is 30day vol no longer available? or maybe it never was and i'm dreaming.

19:28:12 BingoBoingo: %diff

19:28:14 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 178842.38 Est. Next Diff: 768307.81 in 858 blocks (#34272) Est. % Change: 329.60

19:28:48 Apocalyptic: mike_c, It never was

19:29:11 mike_c: ah, k.

19:35:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 100 @ 0.02999995 = 3 BTC [+] {2}

19:36:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.07398333 = 0.8878 BTC [+] {2}

19:36:49 moiety: fluffypony: http://www.macpages.ru/sites/default/files/img02/macosxsnowleorapd.jpg i think we can all see this is the way forward for mac people?

19:37:03 fluffypony: HAH AHAH AHAHAHA

19:37:07 fluffypony: omg that's brilliant

19:37:19 Apocalyptic: ^

19:37:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.075 = 0.375 BTC [+]

19:37:52 moiety: :D i may need a bit of help from asciilifeform buti have a feeling it says "pet the OS, bitch"

19:38:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.07979516 = 1.9949 BTC [+] {3}

19:39:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 85 @ 0.00184866 = 0.1571 BTC [+]

19:39:44 BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Is it just me or did Apple just rip of Xfce for Yosemite?

19:40:25 fluffypony: BingoBoingo: "you'll notice the gorgeous translucency on this window"

19:41:33 BingoBoingo: Oh, the logs. I'm catching up on. Looks like MP isn't getting extradited over S.DICE after all.

19:41:41 fluffypony: heh heh

19:41:52 mike_c: he didn't even have to kick in for the fine.

19:41:56 BingoBoingo: Erik got burned for using GLBSE, and... that's it

19:42:17 Naphex: https://imgur.com/a/Kj1oD so this is how a good scaled and tought out solution will look like if you planned stuff early

19:42:17 assbot: good scaled hardware - Imgur

19:42:26 Naphex: thats probably enough free space to scale for another 3 years

19:42:48 Naphex: while running nicely very fast and not on stressed hardware

19:43:05 Naphex: it will rape 2 days max of your time and insure you have a stable performant solution

19:43:09 BingoBoingo: Naphex: Let us not forget relaxed hardware lasts longer as well

19:43:12 Naphex: to serve those almighty precious customers

19:43:45 Naphex: the cost of that should be small enough for any decently running bussiness to aford

19:43:57 Naphex: and will have insanely higher reliability /performance then any cloud delivery

19:47:09 Naphex: https://i.imgur.com/YhddPNq.png a look on yearly average. peaks is attack and wall cliffs are optimizations

19:49:36 BingoBoingo: I still can't believe the SEC implicitly offered MPEx such a glowing endorsement today.

19:50:20 diametric: okay so i preordered this xapo.

19:50:23 diametric: someone tell me how terrible it is

19:52:02 BingoBoingo: diametric: Is that the one with the underground bunker?

19:52:13 diametric: The "Vault", yeah.

19:52:27 diametric: I should say I preordered the Xapo debit card wallet product.

19:52:55 Naphex: did they deliver?

19:53:55 diametric: Well, I just "pre-ordered" it now, though I have yet to deposit or pay for anything.

19:54:09 diametric: in fact, I got a whole 5k satoshis free with my account

19:54:13 diametric: i'm rolling in it now

19:55:07 Naphex: 5k satoshis

19:55:08 Naphex: wow

19:55:26 Naphex: those like 2 free timely confirmations?

19:56:05 diametric: yeah!

19:57:06 diametric: I can get myself another 2K satoshis if I allow them these simple permissions to my Twitter: http://i.imgur.com/N6NmeAg.png

19:57:31 Naphex: why do they care about your twitter?

19:57:41 diametric: See the permissions it grants? they can basically spam as me.

19:57:59 diametric: As tempting as 2K SAT is, I'll pass.

19:58:04 Naphex: oh cool, so you don't already spam your friends about bitcoin?

19:58:35 Naphex: lol i gotta cheer up

20:02:58 fluffypony: "I can’t tell if the altcoin people are trying to deliberately scam people or just not thinking ahead to the logical conclusions of these schemes. They’re trying to hit another bubble. They regret not buying Bitcoin when they could have. So they want to replay it. It’s like replaying a childhood trauma to overcome it but you just make it worse."

20:03:03 fluffypony: that is my new favourite quote

20:03:19 mike_c: was that from pankkake?

20:05:19 fluffypony: no

20:05:28 fluffypony: Daniel Krawisz

20:05:48 fluffypony: the dude that wrote the "appcoins are fraudulent" article

20:06:03 Naphex: price needs to rise by bubbling up, to match demand though

20:06:11 Naphex: and too make the market available for bigger guys

20:06:25 Naphex: i want 100 mil of awesome bitcoins tomorrow

20:10:34 moiety: https://vine.co/v/M6hOQ9EJlQY

20:10:35 assbot: Dogs on Cinco De Mayo be like (Full version on my Instagram: moemamba) #salsa #cincodemayo

20:10:36 pankkake: well, it's the obvious. altcoiners want to be early adopters

20:11:00 pankkake: and altcoins are easier than time machines

20:11:15 fluffypony: ;;gettrust assbot los_pantalones

20:11:15 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user los_pantalones: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=los_pantalones | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=los_pantalones | Rated since: Thu Apr 24 17:43:40 2014

20:11:41 moiety: jurov: are you guys really wanting me to call missouri?!

20:12:03 BingoBoingo: moiety: I believe so.

20:12:04 pankkake: who's missouri?

20:12:09 moiety: thought i had best check before doing it and you allbeing like, nooooo!

20:12:27 BingoBoingo: moiety: Just make sure to call from -assets hotline

20:12:38 jurov: moiety why not?

20:13:43 fluffypony: moiety: I loaded funds into Skype so you can call out as well as receive calls

20:13:55 Naphex: you guys want to hear something funny, youtube is probably the best place to advertise to engage bitcoin related / seeking audience ;o

20:13:59 Naphex: i am surprised

20:16:37 moiety: anything specific anyone wants me to say?

20:16:49 thestringpuller: sex weeks

20:16:59 fluffypony: seconded

20:17:57 moiety: lol i can't say that

20:18:06 moiety: ok i'll try and work it in

20:18:16 fluffypony: hah hah

20:18:31 jurov: say you;re interested about mpex stock exchange

20:18:52 jurov: if it's legal, if it should be reported to irs

20:19:15 *: moiety nods :]

20:19:45 moiety: can i finish with something about manuls?

20:19:48 moiety: kidding!!

20:20:11 jurov: if they start to be chatty, feel free :)

20:20:41 jurov: oh and if they know where else one can invest bitcoins in accord to all regulations and proper

20:22:44 BingoBoingo: moiety: Tell them you are looking forward to football this season and finish with a chant of M-I-Z. They should respond with Z-O-U. If they don't offer that response it is a reportable offense.

20:23:53 BingoBoingo: Also feel free to discuss any mutual dislike you and the corresponding party might share about Kansas (Quantrill should have burned it all).

20:28:03 fluffypony: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=591114.msg7093916#msg7093916

20:28:03 assbot: [ANN] [NAUT] Nautiluscoin - First Coin w/Stabilization Fund - Digishield

20:28:35 fluffypony: "Step 1. Build a Community. Step 2: Merchant Acceptance. Step 3: Oh, this is where we hire developers."

20:29:01 pankkake: stabilization fund :|

20:29:43 fluffypony: pankkake: I'll have you know, it was created by a CNBC contributor, so therefore.

20:30:52 mike_c: Altcoin is the best altcoin because the core dev hates altcoins.

20:31:23 fluffypony: SEE the power of the stabilisation fund: https://www.mintpal.com/market/NAUT/BTC

20:31:28 fluffypony: switch to Max zoom

20:31:44 fluffypony: and you can see how perfectly stable it is

20:33:10 punkman: that's a lot of log today

20:33:15 punkman: hello

20:33:40 punkman: mike_c: altcoin has a core dev?

20:34:22 mike_c: yes, but he won't admit to it (pankkake)

20:34:35 pankkake: call it a guy who made commits

20:34:41 pankkake: I'm Bernankoin's core dev though

20:35:23 penguirker: New blog post: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/06/03/the-sec-bares-its-gums-and-settles-with-erik/

20:37:20 punkman: %diff

20:37:22 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 178842.38 Est. Next Diff: 780964.62 in 803 blocks (#34272) Est. % Change: 336.68

20:38:31 BingoBoingo: http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&type=submission&id=3602771

20:38:32 assbot: Bitcoin Securities Issuer Settles with SEC - Slashdot

20:40:14 BingoBoingo: Fuck it, might as well try this again. Got to beat Coindesk et al on this subject.

20:41:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.18305816 BTC [-]

20:41:35 jurov: <Naphex> youtube - sauce?

20:42:18 Naphex: jurov: adwords/analytics for btcxchange.ro

20:42:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 29 @ 0.18084523 = 5.2445 BTC [-] {15}

20:42:55 jurov: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEtsPfQtjW8 from this or some other vid?

20:42:55 assbot: Cumpr Bitcoin prin intermediul btcXchange - YouTube

20:43:14 Naphex: jurov: no, google placement ads

20:43:41 jurov: hm interesting

20:44:15 Naphex: a lot of interest in tutorial videos

20:44:18 Naphex: so easy to engage audience

20:44:30 Naphex: miners will look for miners, etc

20:44:52 Naphex: also it is relativly cheap at 0.14eur/click

20:44:54 los_pantalones: yeah!

20:44:56 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/473928096324665344

20:44:57 assbot: Trying this again, been a while http://t.co/EaicbSjV6f /hashtag/Bitcoin?src=hash

20:45:36 diametric: jurov: http://micropython.org/ re: the conversation yesterday. is only there had been a lisp machine like this

20:45:37 assbot: Micro Python - Python for microcontrollers

20:46:31 jurov: nah, trabant

20:46:44 BingoBoingo: diametric: Why did they just go for a board and not a workstation?

20:47:53 jurov: BingoBoingo: you prolly don't understand the appeal of such tiny machines

20:48:21 jurov: people want to do things on rpi just coz it's cute

20:48:28 BingoBoingo: jurov: Tiny machines exist only to assemble into large machines. Tiny machines are to easy to lose.

20:48:40 BingoBoingo: They get buried under large machines.

20:49:05 jurov: i was like "bitcoind node? onoes, just buy miniitx celeron and reuse old hdd"

20:49:31 jurov: they were like "but i must do it on piiii"

20:51:12 jurov: tinkerers and people who know how to do things right are such incredibly disjoint groups

20:51:28 BingoBoingo: Pi ought to be thing real computers eat.

20:51:28 jurov: that manu of the former never learn about the latter

20:51:34 jurov: *many

20:53:22 jurov: i'm not sure if it is similar on non-IT hobbies (maybe except audiophiles)

20:57:12 BingoBoingo: If Pi wasn't ARM, it might be a decent upgrade for a compact Mac case, but not much else

21:00:06 jurov: Tiny machines are to easy to lose. << your btc wallet is a semitrailer i guess?

21:01:40 BingoBoingo: jurov: One possibility. Other is maybe a controlled form of lost

21:05:45 BingoBoingo: jurov: Also who said anything about wallet being a machine?

21:06:21 jurov: paper wallet shouldn't be easy to lose either

21:06:40 *: jurov imagines stone megalith wallet

21:07:18 BingoBoingo: Maybe stone, maybe paper, maybe vintage green uranium glass used for consuming whiskey on special occasions...

21:25:40 BingoBoingo: moiety: When your phone call is over http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/06/03/the-problem-with-apple/ has Manul

21:25:41 assbot: The Problem with Apple | Bingo Blog

21:36:03 Mats_cd03: ;;bc,stats

21:36:10 gribble: Current Blocks: 304076 | Current Difficulty: 1.0455720138484837E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 304415 | Next Difficulty In: 339 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 23 hours, 1 minute, and 44 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 11657191762.4 | Estimated Percent Change: 11.49105

21:37:43 BingoBoingo: And the last two days "No" on Bastille Day got very dangerous again.

21:38:26 Mats_cd03: ;;ticker

21:38:27 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 668.57, Best ask: 670.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.43000, Last trade: 670.0, 24 hour volume: 17618.68361236, 24 hour low: 649.61, 24 hour high: 680.99, 24 hour vwap: 665.876747446

21:38:59 mike_c: big spike in nethash last couple hundred blocks

21:40:02 BingoBoingo: I'm hoping Knc, "board can have problems too" kind of nethash

21:42:08 mike_c: it is truly amazing how it keeps doubling

21:42:08 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

21:44:00 mike_c: x.idiff.jun could be at management's discretion.. next diff bump may well be on settlement day.

21:52:36 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

21:52:42 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 667.1, vol: 17537.18824609 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 656.0, vol: 10303.8218 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 668.0, vol: 25046.49650475 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 679.9, vol: 43.63450786 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 663.895206, vol: 6963.03280000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 668.40406, vol: 19.58697317 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 667.772, vol: 112.92914708 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)

21:52:43 BingoBoingo: ;;more

21:52:43 gribble: 665.209412526

21:55:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0205 = 0.1025 BTC [-]

21:55:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.19753357 = 0.7901 BTC [+] {2}

21:56:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.19957174 = 1.1974 BTC [+] {4}

21:56:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 60 @ 0.00186777 = 0.1121 BTC [+]

22:00:55 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/taosecurity/status/473938787106430976

22:00:56 assbot: If DARPA had insurgents fire anti-tank weapons at the autonomous vehicles in their land challenge, it would give them an idea about /hashtag/cyber?src=hash.

22:02:12 BingoBoingo: From ozbot in exile https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdpwmewdyk1r1z9vzo1_1280.jpg

22:03:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0235103 = 0.2351 BTC [-]

22:04:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 14 @ 0.0235102 = 0.3291 BTC [-]

22:04:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 14 @ 0.02026 = 0.2836 BTC [-]

22:05:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07000211 = 0.14 BTC [+] {2}

22:06:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 123 @ 0.02026 = 2.492 BTC [-] {4}

22:07:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00086158 = 17.2316 BTC [-] {2}

22:07:07 BingoBoingo: http://www.gomerblog.com/2014/06/lifestyle-modified/

22:07:07 assbot: Patient's Modified Lifestyle Kills Doctor | Medical Satire - GomerBlog

22:08:14 BingoBoingo: ^ The story of -assets

22:09:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20150 @ 0.00085865 = 17.3018 BTC [-] {2}

22:29:21 moiety: D; they won't answer to meeeee

22:30:01 moiety: but i did realise i'm probably not within their hours now, will try again tomorrow

22:30:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 11 @ 0.0235102 = 0.2586 BTC [-]

22:32:46 asciilifeform: jurov: the 'pi' would be neat if it actually... worked. (entirely aside from the evil closed blob running at all times.) try, for instance, using ethernet and usb at full throttle on your unit, see what happens.

22:33:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.0205 = 0.2255 BTC [+] {3}

22:34:01 moiety: BingoBoingo!! most epic blog post is epic! I'm reposting!

22:35:59 asciilifeform: jurov: i've a small collection of various cheapo 'arm' boards, just like everyone. the 'pi' collects dust. did recently get openbsd running on another one (beagle?) recently.

22:36:36 Mats_cd03: cool

22:36:44 asciilifeform: still quite useless - they all have ridiculously slow bus

22:37:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.021 = 0.21 BTC [+] {2}

22:37:53 asciilifeform: 'real' microcontrollers are far more interesting. the proliferation of the cheap arm boards is really because today's hobbyists piss their pants at the thought of learning asm

22:38:12 jurov: i'm using pi just as an illustration that people you may want to get interested in lisp start by getting emotionally hooked onto coding, regardless of what's available being utter crap

22:38:16 asciilifeform: (a 'traditional' micro has a few kb of ram)

22:38:56 jurov: and then continue on the trajectory, never even getting to know there's something better

22:40:29 asciilifeform: jurov: clisp builds on arm. but sbcl doesn't (the latter has no interpreter mode, it has a high quality optimizing - real time - compiler on x86 and a few other archs.)

22:41:57 asciilifeform: lisp on a microcontroller that isn't optimized for high-level languages (a la the greenarrays forth chip) isn't much fun. it's like going back to the mid-80s, when microcomputer owners justifiably scoffed at 'slow' languages

22:42:11 jurov: python isn't either

22:42:41 asciilifeform: the python linked earlier (diametric?) isn't a proper python, where the interpreter is available at run time, but, as i understand, a simple batch-mode compiler.

22:42:53 asciilifeform: (anyone who read the entire manual, please correct me if i am mistaken)

22:43:12 jurov: idk, it boasts "REPL in 2K RAM"

22:44:02 jurov: but this discussion is getting derailed again anyway

22:44:24 asciilifeform: if they actually fit a python in 2kb, that's pretty neat.

22:47:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07966853 = 0.239 BTC [+]

22:48:03 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo, jurov: stone megalith wallet << if you buy a laser cutter, you can make actual stone wallet.

22:48:45 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Traditional "bastard" file cuts stone well enough

22:48:56 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: that sounds too much like work

22:49:16 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Not if you carve in a shorthand

22:49:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 62 @ 0.07969954 = 4.9414 BTC [+] {2}

22:49:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8422 @ 0.0008571 = 7.2185 BTC [-]

22:51:24 *: punkman is thinking 1BTC coins made of 10kg marble slabs

22:51:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07979979 = 0.2394 BTC [+]

22:52:14 BingoBoingo: moiety: You have to remember you have blog too nao.

22:52:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07979984 = 0.3192 BTC [+] {2}

22:53:12 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i don't really get the fixation with 'physical bitcoins.' care to try explaining ?

22:53:33 asciilifeform: it inescapably reminds me of the 1890s autos with reins

22:53:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0799 = 0.3995 BTC [+]

22:55:30 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'm not too sure about it either. I like the idea that they mean an intruder would have to scour my junk in addition to the computing and electronic equipment. People who pay for manufactered solutions and their reasoning elludes me. Maybe the husk of a Cascius has some collectible value?

22:56:28 dub: similar(ly stupid) ideas about spending them after fiat collapses as metals probably, libertardation

22:56:36 BingoBoingo: Any thing physical I may or may not do with individual private keys would probably be part of a rats nest strategy to avoid ever being completely robbed.

22:57:06 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this is not unlike the psychology of the folks who buy books on 'how to hide things'

22:57:30 asciilifeform: (which, if read literally, amount to a 'what not to do')

22:57:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.08 = 0.16 BTC [+] {2}

22:57:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.0008571 = 6.7711 BTC [-]

22:59:17 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Seems that way. I dunno why properly concealed physically stored private key could not be a viable option for the post-rectothermal healthcare fund.

23:00:06 mike_c: would not rectothermal analysis provide the location of the stored key?

23:00:09 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the typical rectothermal session involves separation from one's worldly goods

23:00:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00085673 = 4.2837 BTC [-] {2}

23:00:54 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: No reason physical key of last resort need be within a hundred miles of anywhere you live or frequent

23:01:00 BingoBoingo: if properly concealed

23:03:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.08 = 0.16 BTC [+]

23:05:19 BingoBoingo: New risks of loss are introduced, but... The scenario in which it would be useful is different as well.

23:06:36 jurov: http://mivoltma.444.hu/assets/sites/23/2014/05/kuczynskigif1-animated.gif

23:07:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 25 @ 0.02109458 = 0.5274 BTC [+] {8}

23:08:55 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: seems to me like the physical hiding place approach suffers from the same problems as 'brainwallet.'

23:08:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29400 @ 0.00086456 = 25.4181 BTC [+] {2}

23:09:53 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Definitely in terms of "wallet mining"

23:10:45 asciilifeform: a successfully 'mined' brainwallet is... a failed iq test.

23:12:18 BingoBoingo: And then there's also the problem of "place can have problems too"

23:13:38 asciilifeform: if herr torquemada is working on you, your wallet is lost, regardless of what kind (only real countermeasure is cyanide tooth or the like.)

23:16:23 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Tooth must be dangerously fragile though, so one can have a standoff end with a swift movement of the tongue.

23:16:47 asciilifeform: actually, one possible technological countermeasure is: to carry around some gizmo that will transmit a transaction moving your coin to a trusted confederate, when the pin is pulled.

23:17:07 asciilifeform: easier said than done, though.

23:19:37 asciilifeform: (if you actually want to do this: have multiple allies, shamir-split a key, then set 'dead man switch' that broadcasts the magic tx if you fail to reset it for x days, etc)

23:27:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2 BTC [+]

23:27:55 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Even if that isn't what's actually done, that may be the best thing to have people believe is being done.

23:28:35 asciilifeform: [insert standard discussion of the game theory of nuclear war by schelling & friends here.]

23:29:55 moiety: BingoBoingo: moiety: You have to remember you have blog too nao. << it's not mine though, I might start one, i'm seeing more things all the time i'd like to collate together

23:30:11 asciilifeform: i'll point out that it helps to have a clear picture of what your objective will be once you're hanging upside-down in torquemada's workshop.

23:30:58 asciilifeform: is it to persuade him to turn you loose? to transfer your coin to your fellow partizans asap, because you are certain to perish anyway? some other goal?

23:31:52 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Reasonable option seems to be dead man switch sends the coins to Mugabe

23:32:10 asciilifeform: the 'only winning move,' of course, is 'not to play' - reducing your chances of ending up in that position in the first place, through convincing deterrent (or quick legs!)

23:32:32 jurov: turnig yourself in preventively to the right party

23:33:04 asciilifeform: the fine art of surrender.

23:33:27 asciilifeform: [insert obligatory barb at the french here]

23:34:04 BingoBoingo: You die, coins go to party inquisitor finds despicable. Simply hope the CIA isn't a frenemy of theirs and wants to fund them.

23:34:37 asciilifeform: there's definitely room for a 'dead hand' service/product.

23:35:03 asciilifeform: ;;google dead hand

23:35:04 gribble: Dead Hand (nuclear war) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Hand_(nuclear_war); Dead Hand - Zelda Wiki: http://zeldawiki.org/Dead_Hand; Inside the Apocalyptic Soviet Doomsday Machine - Wired: http://www.wired.com/politics/security/magazine/17-10/mf_deadhand?currentPage=all

23:35:12 BingoBoingo: There's also the possiblity of multiple inquistors over time.

23:35:20 BingoBoingo: With varying aims.

23:35:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12631 @ 0.00086494 = 10.9251 BTC [+]

23:36:20 punkman: asciilifeform: you mean like this? http://www.deadmansswitch.net/

23:36:21 assbot: Dead Man's Switch

23:36:31 *: asciilifeform automatically recalls an ancient sf story about a very unlucky immortal fellow, who goes from dungeon to dungeon, ending up at torquemada's, the gestapo, on and on...

23:37:14 jurov: BingoBoingo you're preparing for the PARC or whatever colombia revolutionary movement encounter?

23:38:04 BingoBoingo: jurov: Not impossible that I am.

23:38:16 *: BingoBoingo should probably practice running

23:38:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.04954094 = 0.1486 BTC [-]

23:38:29 jurov: i'm not sure they'll understand fine points of such complicated strategy as "i die, money goes to cia"

23:39:21 jurov: "okay, we'll use your corpse to extort cia"

23:39:36 asciilifeform: think of how funny it'd be, setting up elaborate dead man switch, then captured by a fellow who just wants to sell your organs.

23:41:32 jurov: or slipping up home in the bathroom

23:42:20 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I think at that point you have to play the Hannibal card and try purchasing organs yourself.

23:42:43 BingoBoingo: I'm also rather sure my organs aren't the sort to fetch top dollar

23:42:55 asciilifeform: deterrence weapon naturally doesn't make you immortal - the best possible use of it is to cool the enthusiasm of folks who'd like to hasten the inevitable.

23:45:10 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: There was this Simpsons episode back in the day where it was revealed the elderly hero had the gift of immortality to the sheer number of terminal diseases he had forming a sort of homeostasis sustaining him.

23:45:57 asciilifeform: my organs aren't the sort to fetch top dollar << the 'i own just the shirt on my back' defense worked pretty well historically. if the enemy finds it convincing.

23:46:45 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'll have to manage to keep a thick stench of cigarettes and booze sweat through the Darien.

23:48:07 asciilifeform: however, the reason why it is customary to sit a captured wretch on an anthill, or the like, without first inquiring about his assets, is that in such a situation the definition of 'assets' expands to everything the victim could potentially beg/borrow/steal

23:48:20 asciilifeform: as described in an old book, 'how to collect illegal debts' (actual title)

23:48:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0202522 = 0.2025 BTC [-] {2}

23:49:35 moiety: asciilifeform: there's more music! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAP0h9Yl_hc // also, I have been playing with the microwriter emulator :D

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23:49:40 BingoBoingo: I'd suck if they sent me back to 'Murica full of cocaine baloons

23:50:32 moiety: here, booze sweat is just a beer jacket: keeps you warm but it's not warm enough to sweat

23:51:07 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: in the textbook 'rectothermal cryptoanalysis' of '90s russia, the purpose of the soldering iron was typically to help the 'patient'... 'remember' not only the locations of hidden goodies, but also places where he might yet be able to borrow/steal.

23:52:40 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Assuming they don't want library books... Probably going to get drafted as a drug mule.

23:53:30 asciilifeform: i'd assume that a 'mule' gets an (unarmed) 'helper,' who ensures that he can't cough up the payload ahead of schedule.

23:55:51 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'd assume so as well. Probably also a reception party.

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