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00:02:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 8 @ 0.20760911 = 1.6609 BTC [+]

00:06:05 asciilifeform: !up alphonse23_

00:06:27 asciilifeform: alphonse23_: you still there?

00:06:35 williamdunne: Pure hilarity on this show

00:06:36 alphonse23_: yup

00:06:38 alphonse23_: what's up

00:06:54 williamdunne: Two identical twin brothers at a festival, guy tries to cheat on his girlfriend with some bird

00:06:57 asciilifeform: alphonse23_: author of 'phuctor' speaking. you had questions ?

00:07:00 williamdunne: Brother calls him out

00:07:05 williamdunne: They argue with each other

00:07:10 williamdunne: The other brother fucks his bird

00:07:23 alphonse23_: what does 4096 refer to

00:07:28 alphonse23_: the maximum size of the primes

00:07:47 asciilifeform: alphonse23_: no. the size of the modulus, typically a product of two primes

00:07:48 alphonse23_: or the maximum size of what the two primes are multiplied to each other?

00:07:49 williamdunne: Bits of entropy

00:08:12 alphonse23_: so 4096 is the maximum size of the product of the two primes?

00:08:19 asciilifeform: aha.

00:08:32 williamdunne: Only on Debian

00:08:40 alphonse23_: doesn't that only leave a handful of primes though

00:08:44 alphonse23_: you could just check them all.

00:08:45 alphonse23_: right?

00:08:53 williamdunne: Yes

00:09:20 asciilifeform: is the question specifically concerning the buggy debian rng ?

00:09:23 asciilifeform: or rsa in general

00:09:36 williamdunne: RSA in general

00:09:42 williamdunne: Debian was a joke on my part

00:09:55 asciilifeform: williamdunne: i think we have a genuine noob here, and you are addling him

00:09:58 asciilifeform: williamdunne: please stop.

00:10:55 alphonse23_: i'm not that big of a noob

00:10:57 williamdunne: alphonse23_: This might help you understand what the 4096 means

00:10:58 williamdunne: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Password_strength

00:11:58 alphonse23_: just not an expert

00:11:58 asciilifeform: alphonse23_: 'checking them all', given current of foreseeable technology, would take several thousand years.

00:11:58 alphonse23_: and what point are you not a noob

00:11:58 alphonse23_: maybe you can ask that about everything

00:11:58 alphonse23_: and maybe I shouldn't care

00:11:58 trinque: alphonse23_: noob's not an insult

00:11:58 trinque: "beginner's mind"

00:11:58 asciilifeform: alphonse23_: rsa is not especially complicated. you can understand the basic idea after an hour's study

00:12:18 asciilifeform: alphonse23_: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/RSAEncryption.html for example.

00:13:18 alphonse23_: yea, I've read a fair share of online guides about it

00:13:18 alphonse23_: I kind of understand

00:13:20 asciilifeform: alphonse23_: http://doc.sagemath.org/html/en/thematic_tutorials/numtheory_rsa.html << worked examples

00:14:29 alphonse23_: still don't get elliptical curve cryptography at all.

00:14:50 asciilifeform: alphonse23_: 'phuctor' deals only with traditional rsa keys.

00:14:56 alphonse23_: twitter works on 2056 I think

00:15:11 alphonse23_: why no go decrypt some twitter traffic or something

00:15:17 alphonse23_: what's the purpose of all this?

00:15:52 asciilifeform: alphonse23_: basic idea, which is very old, is that euclid's greatest-common-divisor algorithm is very fast, for arbitrarily large numbers. so if two or more rsa keys were to share a factor, it will pop up.

00:16:07 williamdunne: Can only break bad keys

00:16:43 asciilifeform: alphonse23_: the idea is to find evidence of sabotaged implementations of rsa key generator.

00:17:17 alphonse23_: find the NSA at work?

00:17:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33926 @ 0.00033308 = 11.3001 BTC [-]

00:17:38 asciilifeform: alphonse23_: instead we found that someone is uploading carefully modified versions of other people's keys to sks key server net

00:19:11 alphonse23_: interesting

00:19:18 alphonse23_: I've never heard of the sks key server

00:19:32 asciilifeform: alphonse23_: it isn't one specific server, but a network of mirrors

00:19:36 asciilifeform: entirely automatic

00:20:14 asciilifeform: typically users of pgp/gpg upload their public keys there, and they can later be retrieved by anyone using a hash of the key

00:20:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00033258 = 2.7937 BTC [-]

00:20:53 alphonse23_: oh, so if you want to store your pgp some where, so anyone can verify it's you, you upload it to sks

00:21:39 alphonse23_: i've been using a service called keybase.io lately. Is that a noob service?

00:21:48 ben_vulpes: !s keybase

00:21:49 assbot: 64 results for 'keybase' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=keybase

00:21:55 shinohai: keybase blows

00:22:06 williamdunne: Personally I like it, just don't store your keys there

00:22:07 alphonse23_: I have some invite codes

00:22:08 asciilifeform: alphonse23_: if you let them generate keys for you, they have your private key. this ought to be elementarily obvious

00:22:10 alphonse23_: if anyone wants them :)

00:22:24 alphonse23_: that's a good point asciilifeform

00:22:29 shinohai: Thats just it, I wouldn't be storing my keys there.

00:22:35 alphonse23_: that generate the primes right in front of you! :)

00:22:45 alphonse23_: *they generate the primes

00:22:51 williamdunne: shinohai: Exactly, you don't have to, to use the service :)

00:23:12 alphonse23_: I guess it's made very user friendly though

00:23:23 shinohai: It's nice and all, but I just don't see the advantage over plain gpg

00:23:24 alphonse23_: it comes with a CLI app that lets you verify anyone on their servers

00:23:41 asciilifeform: alphonse23_: it is 'user friendly' in the same way that a mousetrap is mouse-friendly

00:23:46 trinque: alphonse23_: ever heard "if it's free, you're the product" ?

00:23:52 alphonse23_: maybe though the issue is, where would one store a public key. on whose server

00:24:19 alphonse23_: it would probably be like facebook, if it ever got popular. Which ever server became the most widespread.

00:24:21 shinohai: Don't. Use a keyring or a yubi.

00:24:54 BingoBoingo: <alphonse23_> maybe though the issue is, where would one store a public key. on whose server << Ideally if you want people to find your public key you spray it all over, but especially spray it in venues associated with your identity.

00:25:19 asciilifeform: alphonse23_: there is a large and well-established network of public key servers. e.g., https://pgp.mit.edu and other sks

00:26:19 alphonse23_: I have many online identities. I think keybase.io purpose is to verify and unify those identities

00:26:19 asciilifeform: alphonse23_: they all mirror one another.

00:26:19 alphonse23_: so people know it's you

00:26:19 asciilifeform: alphonse23_: for people whom you will never meet, 'you' are the key. and nothing else.

00:26:19 alphonse23_: had no idea. I only used keybase.io because someone I know was using it, and I thought it was a great idea.

00:26:20 trinque: alphonse23_: if someone other than you knows your private key, it is by definition not private

00:26:38 alphonse23_: I don't give out my private key

00:26:50 asciilifeform: alphonse23_: except to keybase?

00:26:58 danielpbarron: alphonse23_, the sites that keybase lets you link to your identity aren't really worth linking to your identity

00:27:00 alphonse23_: well. they don't have my private key

00:27:06 shinohai: ^ danielpbarron

00:27:10 asciilifeform: alphonse23_: if you let them generate it, they have it

00:27:13 trinque: keybase sticks it in browser local storage, right?

00:27:19 alphonse23_: but they did show the primes generated for it when I signed up for the service

00:27:27 trinque: alphonse23_: all they have to do is ship you some javascript once that reads that and transmits it elsewhere

00:27:29 alphonse23_: so you could say it's a compromised service

00:27:39 asciilifeform: alphonse23_: the very idea is braindamaged

00:27:59 alphonse23_: ok fine. But should I not trust keybase...

00:28:06 alphonse23_: I'm not sure. I was just trying out the service

00:28:07 williamdunne: alphonse23_: Its compromised if you a) generate your keys with them, or b) store your keys with them.

00:28:19 alphonse23_: but yes, I should probably micromanage my own keys and passwords

00:29:01 williamdunne: Its not even micromanaging, its just owning

00:30:21 trinque: one should use the same precautions with their bitcoin private keys.

00:30:38 trinque: you only own the coin if you *own* the private keys in the strictest sense

00:30:53 danielpbarron: the recommendation in here is to not even use newer versions of gpg, let alone some add-on made by a dating website guy

00:31:44 asciilifeform: alphonse23_: if someone else has a copy of your private key, whether because you let them generate it for you, or gave it up for storage for 'convenience', he can do anything which you can do. this ought to be obvious

00:38:01 danielpbarron: !up alphonse23_

00:38:12 alphonse23_: well. like I know that.

00:38:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20700 @ 0.00033261 = 6.885 BTC [+]

00:38:36 BingoBoingo: alphonse23_: Well you do now. The question is what are you going to do about it?

00:39:06 alphonse23_: I'm going to become paranoid, and start keeping track of my own keys

00:39:22 alphonse23_: and stop being naive and trying out services from guys who start dating websites

00:40:01 trinque: !b 3

00:40:01 assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1STHGCG.txt )

00:40:06 trinque: bravo!

00:40:32 alphonse23_: I've actually been meaning to start using a key locker or something

00:40:37 alphonse23_: but I haven't been able to find one.

00:40:39 alphonse23_: any recommendations

00:40:47 asciilifeform: alphonse23_: what is a 'key locker' ?

00:40:53 alphonse23_: like, not necessarily a key locker, but somewhere to store passwords

00:41:08 asciilifeform: alphonse23_: you already own a device for storing passwords. it is attached to your shoulders.

00:41:57 alphonse23_: my brain

00:42:02 alphonse23_: but I use a lot of services online

00:42:07 ben_vulpes: passwords.gpg

00:42:11 alphonse23_: and I don't really keep track of all my passwords

00:42:15 alphonse23_: but I should

00:42:26 alphonse23_: but I've been using the internet for years now.

00:42:28 ben_vulpes: derpy_web_passwords.gpg

00:42:38 ben_vulpes: super_important_passwords.gpg

00:45:42 alphonse23_: k

00:45:49 alphonse23_: I'll do that

00:45:55 alphonse23_: thanks bitcon-assets

00:49:04 punkman: this uses gpg http://www.passwordstore.org/

00:55:12 BingoBoingo: I've found KeyPassX adequate for storing tons of derpy web passwords. Also available on pretty much any OD

00:55:16 BingoBoingo: *OS

00:57:58 ben_vulpes: punkman: hey that's neat

00:59:17 punkman: I usually recommend Keepass to people that have been using a single password for the past 15 years

01:01:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46650 @ 0.00033268 = 15.5195 BTC [+] {2}

01:03:09 BingoBoingo: I've been using it a while every version I used is the same local machine only deal that encrypts the derpy web passwords together in a single database file. Working on all the *nixen is a plus

01:04:14 shinohai: http://marcwebbie.io/passpie/

01:05:14 mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 was working on getting one together but im sure he can use help << yeah, certainly on testing. i bought a pos box to use to build a physical gentoo box guide. i messed up something now grub is unhappy. I havne't been able to take a decent look at it since sunday morning.

01:05:14 mod6: Anyway, help/testing is always welcome.

01:05:21 shinohai: testing on what mod6 ?

01:12:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53674 @ 0.00033258 = 17.8509 BTC [-]

01:17:35 danielpbarron: i ran into issues with grub as well; ended up using the older version

01:19:32 mod6: shinohai: oh, im creating a guide on how to build gentoo on a physical box. it seems that the handbook covers it mostly. except for me I had problems with some things.

01:19:36 mod6: gentoo is a nightmare.

01:20:00 danielpbarron: once it's working it's quite nice

01:20:18 mod6: but it has this uclibc hardened stage3 that i'd like to try out as a platform from which we can utilize building and testing the R. I.

01:21:26 mod6: danielpbarron: i'll never enjoy it, i come from bsd. :]

01:24:02 *: BingoBoingo likes the even BSD even moar the more he lives with it

01:27:53 mod6: anyway, yeah, im sure i just did something dumb on my end with gentoo. i got it working fine on AWS.

01:28:15 mod6: im beginning to be skeptical that anyone can just get this working very easily though.

01:28:28 shinohai: I haven't delved into gentoo :/

01:28:42 mod6: so hopefully the guide I create will make it a bit easier. hopefully.

01:29:35 shinohai: btw, bitcoind built swimmingly on Ubuntu 14.04

01:29:51 shinohai: Even though I don't like/use Ubuntu - it works.

01:30:34 mod6: good to hear. thx :]

01:30:52 mod6: x86-64 im guessing?

01:32:46 shinohai: yes

01:33:13 shinohai: I just got bored and wanted to see if it would work on a spare shell I had.

01:33:23 mod6: cool, thanks!

01:33:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26100 @ 0.00033258 = 8.6803 BTC [-]

01:34:14 shinohai: Everyone wants to know when you guys are gonna release the Windoze version /s

01:34:52 mod6: Update: v0.5.3.1-RELEASE + patches { Orphanage Thermonuke } + { TX Orphanage Amputation } is at block: 335628

01:35:04 mod6: shinohai: haha.

01:35:23 shinohai: I haven't applied that patch yet :/

01:37:15 mod6: oh the 2 orphange ones?

01:38:34 mod6: i wouldn't worry about it. these are experimental as of now. at a later time, they maybe included in a milestone release.

01:39:01 mod6: unless you wanna test those seperately from your v0.5.3.1-RELEASE version

01:39:04 shinohai: Awesum. I hold off because I'm lazy and waiting for the first one to sync

01:39:32 mod6: yeah, sounds good.

01:39:51 shinohai: I need to set up an image to test on. I was gonna try an Arch image.

01:40:38 mod6: cool, if you do, let us know how it works out

01:41:39 shinohai: I have this crazy idea of getting it to run on those little arch images that work on Android

01:41:42 shinohai: xD

01:41:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14250 @ 0.00033258 = 4.7393 BTC [-]

01:49:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6970 @ 0.00033258 = 2.3181 BTC [-]

02:07:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7406 @ 0.00033258 = 2.4631 BTC [-]

02:09:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90786 @ 0.00033069 = 30.022 BTC [-]

02:13:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9945 @ 0.00033312 = 3.3129 BTC [+]

02:24:38 decimation: outragous usg law > http://www.papersplease.org/wp/2014/09/25/11th-circuit-court-of-appeals-panel-kowtows-to-tsa/

02:25:47 decimation: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/49/46110 < " Findings of fact by the Secretary, Under Secretary, or Administrator, if supported by substantial evidence, are conclusive. "

02:28:48 mircea_popescu: decimation soviet justice moved more and more towards administrative adjudication too

02:28:53 mircea_popescu: soon enough thewy had police courts.

02:29:06 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha.

02:29:50 decimation: heh what is a 'police court'

02:30:00 decimation: a collection of police who decide to throw you in the gulag?

02:30:39 decimation: more and more it seems like the judicial branch simply acts as a rubber stamp for the executive

02:30:55 decimation: and where it might have a modicum of oversight, congress stamps it down

02:31:59 mircea_popescu: a police court is the choice way to deal with drunks and domestic disputes.

02:32:43 mircea_popescu: as the citizenry loses intellectual capacity and political standing, all its complaints look more and more like the results of drunken revelry and sexual stubbornness

02:33:05 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform also, 29 is a new prime innit.

02:33:36 decimation: 'drunks and domestic disputes' consume the vast majority of the court's time

02:34:02 decimation: somehow they are in a hurry to get back to them, rather than thinking about the wider ramifications of the government's assertations

02:34:47 decimation: at any rate, that papersplease.org is a pretty good blog, has much to say on the police state in the us, especially with with respect to flying

02:35:53 BingoBoingo: <decimation> 'drunks and domestic disputes' consume the vast majority of the court's time << Fuck you my case has only been a plaque in neighboring county's arteries for two years nao

02:36:53 mircea_popescu: lol

02:37:20 decimation: BingoBoingo: ask any cop what the majority of his calls are, and generally the answer is 'domestics'

02:37:42 decimation: and generally the domestics involve drunks

02:38:02 BingoBoingo: decimation: this particular local most 911 calls are loud cars after 10pm

02:38:08 decimation: heh

02:38:36 decimation: loud cars suck. for some reason americans are in love with enragingly loud cars/motorbikes

02:38:50 BingoBoingo: Fuck, I really am torn on whether ot not to approve spam comment for "mosin nagant 10 round magazine"

02:40:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33956 @ 0.00033312 = 11.3114 BTC [+]

02:40:05 BingoBoingo: But I mean if the US Supreme court takes the Elonis case's legacy further... they will have to answer is drunk a Mens Rea

02:40:43 decimation: americans can be herded like cattle through airports, tracked, tagged, and spied upon, but they really get pissed if you try to clamp down on loud/poorly operating cars/bikes

02:40:51 decimation: 'you can't take away our freedom'

02:41:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12300 @ 0.00033312 = 4.0974 BTC [+]

02:41:17 mod6: http://qntra.net/2015/06/foundation-report-bring-bitcoin-client-performance-improvement-and-testing/#comment-25527 << speaking of comments, this was nice.

02:42:17 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: l0l, mosin took stripperclips not mags

02:42:33 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Yeah. Imma guessing that the product is replacement for the fixed factory mag which would hold 10 rounds instead of 5, but link leads nowhere comprehensible in browser.

02:42:36 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: see log for diff, incl. screenshot of visualdiff

02:43:23 BingoBoingo: mod6: As best as I can tell twas not a #b-a regular who said that so major props

02:43:33 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1151853 << there wasn't that much there to extinguish in the first place.

02:43:33 assbot: Logged on 02-06-2015 21:52:56; ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1151841 << embrace, extend, extinguish (TM) (R)

02:43:50 mircea_popescu: openssh is probably the most important contribution to software insecurity in history of computing.

02:44:01 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that'd be openssl

02:44:05 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Confusing it with OpenSSL again

02:44:09 mircea_popescu: darn

02:44:18 mircea_popescu: wait

02:44:23 BingoBoingo: OpenSSH is the OpenBSD ssh implementation

02:44:25 mircea_popescu: windows is putting SSH in ?!

02:44:29 BingoBoingo: Yeah

02:44:33 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that was the item, yes

02:44:55 decimation: asciilifeform: have you used coverity?

02:45:05 asciilifeform: must inject microshit into the one protocol which had no microshittery, yes

02:45:08 mircea_popescu: i had thought they had just given up on their own version of telnet-ssl.

02:45:17 asciilifeform: decimation: nope

02:45:20 mircea_popescu: since "open source"-usg is doing so well at it.

02:45:59 decimation: apparently coverity allows you to submit your code/binary to their tool, will spit out potential bugs

02:46:14 decimation: it might be mildly interesting to do so for the bitcoin reference implementation

02:46:22 decimation: I would fully expect reams of shit though

02:46:26 BingoBoingo: Honestly I worry moar for pete and the other Candidians than I do for the USians.

02:46:31 asciilifeform: decimation: 1) take 'lint' 2) close source, put on www as-service 3) ??? 4) profit!!11!!1

02:46:32 mircea_popescu: decimation how does it work ?

02:46:45 decimation: heh I don't think it's that simple

02:46:49 mircea_popescu: basically what alf said + benefit of doubt.

02:47:02 BingoBoingo: Must collect arms in case defense of Theo becomes necessary

02:47:05 decimation: https://scan.coverity.com/ < here's the ad page

02:48:05 decimation: I have no doubt it would produce much noise, but it is a possible starting point

02:48:05 decimation: interestingly 'bitcoin' has already been submitted

02:48:05 asciilifeform: where is the output ?

02:48:10 decimation: https://scan.coverity.com/projects/1683

02:49:10 decimation: I think you need to get an account, I will try to see if it is that easy

02:49:30 decimation: I'm not sure if they also submitted the deps, but bitcoin weighs in at 16 million lines of code

02:49:45 asciilifeform: l0l wat

02:49:58 decimation: yes, that's what the scanner says

02:50:01 mod6: haha

02:50:13 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1151875 << dawg, did i call it or did i call it lmao

02:50:13 assbot: Logged on 02-06-2015 22:08:48; trinque: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/02/us-usa-security-surveillance-passage-idUSKBN0OI2I920150602 << oh good, they added slightly more bureaucratic procedure to the surveillance, and decided they'd outsource the data storage to the companies themselves...

02:50:53 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the lulzy part is that it was -already- handled this way. only thing that will change (once anyone gets around to it) is a few lines in a spreadshit

02:50:59 asciilifeform: for accounting

02:51:14 mircea_popescu: meyah

02:51:33 asciilifeform: http://blog.regehr.org/archives/1128

02:52:33 asciilifeform: 'Andy confirmed that Coverity does not spot the heartbleed flaw and said that it remained stubborn even when they tweaked various analysis settings.'

02:52:33 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1151894 << yes, actually.

02:52:33 assbot: Logged on 02-06-2015 22:27:24; ascii_field: at this point it probably makes sense to churn the entire sks db for tuples of keys having same userid and date, and diff all said tuples.

02:52:33 decimation: heh yeah

02:52:33 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform generally, it is a safe assumption that any diddlomatics coming out of nsa are highly engineered to bypass automatic detection

02:52:33 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> 'Andy confirmed that Coverity does not spot the heartbleed flaw and said that it remained stubborn even when they tweaked various analysis settings.' << Can't spot heartbleed because custom OpenSSL malloc

02:53:15 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the basic concept that must be understood is that c/cpp are entirely impossible to 'reason' about mechanically

02:53:17 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1151908 << it was mentioned, came to this same problem

02:53:17 assbot: Logged on 02-06-2015 22:35:55; jurov: but then the bytes would be shuffled, not bits reversed

02:53:22 asciilifeform: due to the way pointer arithmetic works

02:54:01 BingoBoingo: custom OpenSSL malloc and its impenatrability is why OpenBSD forked LibreSSL

02:54:07 asciilifeform: languages where a program is intended to be 'rationated' by means of machine, tend to be agonizingly restrictive

02:54:12 asciilifeform: !s ada ravenscar

02:54:13 assbot: 0 results for 'ada ravenscar' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ada+ravenscar

02:54:18 asciilifeform: !s ravenscar

02:54:18 assbot: 0 results for 'ravenscar' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ravenscar

02:54:20 asciilifeform: hm

02:54:41 asciilifeform: http://docs.adacore.com/sparkdocs-docs/Examiner_Ravenscar.htm

02:55:41 decimation: I thought it was SPARK

02:55:41 decimation: http://spinroot.com/p10/ < 10 rules for safety critical code

02:56:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11928 @ 0.00033312 = 3.9735 BTC [+] {2}

02:56:42 decimation: bitcoin violates nearly all of them

02:56:42 asciilifeform: decimation: 'ravenscar' is a yet-more-bsdm-ish spark

02:56:42 decimation: heh awesome

02:56:42 mircea_popescu: alphonse23_ you read http://fraudsters.com/2015/on-how-the-factored-4096-rsa-keys-story-was-handled-and-what-it-means-to-you/ an http://fraudsters.com/2015/more-factored-rsa-keys-and-assorted-other-considerations/ i expect ?

02:58:42 mircea_popescu: Limit functions to no more than 60 lines of text. << 60 because why. my screen fits 24.

02:58:42 asciilifeform: l0l now we learn that mircea_popescu programs in turboc

02:58:42 decimation: heh yeah that's kinda arbitrary

02:58:42 decimation: but still, not a bad idea to break code into 'paragraphs'

02:58:42 decimation: asciilifeform: I would be willing to make the trade to some kind of fascist ada if I could be assured that the tools would detect nearly all detectablle bugs

02:58:42 decimation: !up kalki

02:59:18 asciilifeform: decimation: one of the reasons why such environments are unpopular is that, once people are rid of 'bugs from the fingers', they are left face to face with 'bugs in the head'

02:59:50 kalki: thx decimation

02:59:54 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1151997 << not managed to mine anything yet ?

02:59:54 assbot: Logged on 02-06-2015 23:21:22; jurov: http://www.eulorum.org/Gameplay << this is literally all I have figured out after hours of gameplay.

03:01:28 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1152011 << the converse is a safe assumption. shitgnomes are more than happy to tell you the "meta" story of what happened, which is characteristically light on any sort of useful or usable anything.

03:01:28 assbot: Logged on 02-06-2015 23:25:27; danielpbarron: i assumed anything that he might have read that pointed to this channel would have also linked to the real phuctor but yeah ok

03:01:50 decimation: asciilifeform: aye, precisely. but those 'bugs in head' are the primary concern of a programmer, presumably

03:02:05 asciilifeform: actually it is worth pointing out that most of the newsturds specifically -did not- link to phuctor

03:02:07 mircea_popescu: as if reality were contusive or something. which, i suppose it actually is for their ilk

03:02:10 asciilifeform: or to mircea_popescu's www

03:02:40 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform reason actually related to the " one of the reasons why such environments are unpopular"

03:03:46 decimation: http://codemonkey.org.uk/2014/08/05/linux-316-coverity-stats/ < dave jones (of linux kernel fame) is trying to use coverity to fix kernel bugs

03:04:46 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1152021 << 4096 bits (~ 400 digits long) is the size of the key.

03:04:46 assbot: Logged on 02-06-2015 23:27:20; alphonse23_: does 4096 refer to the max size of one of the primes. or the primes multiplied togetheR?

03:04:46 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: note that typical derprogrammer likes to sit down on a soft cushion of 'it doesn't work because i surely made a small mistake', rather than the hard concrete of 'it is broken because i am illiterate' --- or the sharp pine stake of 'because i am a moron'

03:04:46 decimation: asciilifeform: note that most of the 'news outlets' cut and paste the errors of other outlets

03:04:47 BingoBoingo: <decimation> asciilifeform: note that most of the 'news outlets' cut and paste the errors of other outlets << How do you score qntra on this scale?

03:05:11 decimation: qntra seems to have original content generally

03:05:17 decimation: although at times can be a bit rambling

03:05:25 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform today i had to look into mod security. which somehow didn't run, tho it was included in apache. which needed to be recompiled. which failed. do you happen to have any idea what apache's like incidentally ?

03:05:33 mircea_popescu: apache is a lot like bitcoin, actually.

03:05:39 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is an ancient horror, yes

03:05:59 decimation: why is it so complicated to shit stuff on port 80

03:06:16 mircea_popescu: apache may be the worst codebase ever written

03:06:35 mircea_popescu: which reminds me of a bit of idiocy, brb

03:06:40 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nah, the old netscape crud (from which we get 'mozilla' et al) is probably worse

03:06:50 mircea_popescu: EXACTLY what it reminded me of. one sec.

03:07:05 mircea_popescu: http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000069.html <

03:08:05 asciilifeform: http://www.amazon.com/Borland-Turbo-C/dp/B000I5KFIE << l0l

03:09:05 mircea_popescu: "Before Borland's new spreadsheet for Windows shipped, Philippe Kahn, the colorful founder of Borland, was quoted a lot in the press bragging about how Quattro Pro would be much better than Microsoft Excel, because it was written from scratch. All new source code! As if source code rusted."

03:09:05 mircea_popescu: "The idea that new code is better than old is patently absurd. Old code has been used. It has been tested. Lots of bugs have been found, and they've been fixed. There's nothing wrong with it. It doesn't acquire bugs just by sitting around on your hard drive. Au contraire, baby! Is software supposed to be like an old Dodge Dart, that rusts just sitting in the garage? Is software like a teddy bear that's kind of gross if

03:09:05 mircea_popescu: it's not made out of all new material?"

03:09:05 mircea_popescu: the idea that new code is better than old IS NOT patently absurd when the old code was writen by unaware idiots.

03:09:05 mircea_popescu: like netscape was. like apache was. "but mp... it works!"

03:09:05 mircea_popescu: fuck your mother with a clay pot.

03:09:05 mircea_popescu: "Back to that two page function. Yes, I know, it's just a simple function to display a window, but it has grown little hairs and stuff on it and nobody knows why. Well, I'll tell you why: those are bug fixes. One of them fixes that bug that Nancy had when she tried to install the thing on a computer that didn't have Internet Explorer. Another one fixes that bug that occurs in low memory conditions. Another one fixes th

03:09:05 mircea_popescu: at bug that occurred when the file is on a floppy disk and the user yanks out the disk in the middle. That LoadLibrary call is ugly but it makes the code work on old versions of Windows 95."

03:09:05 mircea_popescu: imagine the world these spreadsheet pushers live in.

03:09:05 asciilifeform: they live in microshitland

03:09:16 asciilifeform: where even this is not enough, and they leave nop sleds (yes) in the binaries, for hot-patching (and virii)

03:09:45 decimation: you see the programmers are too busy 'delivering' to think about issues like 'why is the whole thing a peice of shit'

03:10:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19000 @ 0.00033001 = 6.2702 BTC [-]

03:10:12 asciilifeform: to be fair, most often these folks are of the 'ours is not to question why, ours is but to do and die' (TM) (R) variety.

03:10:25 mircea_popescu: thing is... i might be the only suit that can tell the difference between bad and good code, on account of being the only suit that is also literate. as in, literature-literate.

03:10:31 decimation: and also, they generally profit at the end of the day

03:10:33 mircea_popescu: nevertheless, it is readily observable and quite visible.

03:10:39 decimation: it 'works', they 'made money', who is to question?

03:10:43 mircea_popescu: me.

03:10:44 asciilifeform: folks who start to 'question why' begin to have trouble with the 'do and die'

03:10:52 asciilifeform: and either starve or eventually find a way to leave the profession.

03:11:50 *: BingoBoingo should prolly get new suits next year

03:11:55 BingoBoingo: !up gabriel_laddel

03:12:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29893 @ 0.00032747 = 9.7891 BTC [-]

03:12:25 decimation: http://codemonkey.org.uk/2015/03/13/lsfmm-2015-recap/ < lol . Josef did touch on one area that btrfs does still suck, which apparently is database workloads (iirc, due to the copy-on-write nature of btrfs). The spurious ENOSPC failures of the past should hopefully stay in the past. Things generally on the up and up.

03:13:25 decimation: (Though, this does include the linecount, which has now passed 100KLOC, more than double that of XFS or ext*. Scary).

03:13:25 gabriel_laddel: ty BingoBoingo

03:13:25 BingoBoingo: btrfs is pretty much doomed to suck. Reiser of FFS ftw

03:13:39 mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel how's the os business.

03:13:40 decimation: yeah, people need to read the 'end-to-end principle'

03:14:00 decimation: shoving shit into the lower layers of the conceptual stack just ends up causing pain and suffering

03:14:01 gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: still don't have funding, but coming along

03:14:41 gabriel_laddel: re:not rewriting code, the story of CMUCL and its transformation into SBCL is quite pertinent

03:19:11 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152160 gpg --encrypt --armor -r <yourname> hit enter then put whatever passwords in there, hit ctrl-d and save the output.

03:19:11 assbot: Logged on 03-06-2015 00:40:32; alphonse23_: I've actually been meaning to start using a key locker or something

03:19:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42845 @ 0.00033314 = 14.2734 BTC [+]

03:20:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29499 @ 0.00033722 = 9.9477 BTC [+]

03:20:44 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152192 << there still doesn't exist an eulora gentoo guide, for instance.

03:20:44 assbot: Logged on 03-06-2015 01:20:00; danielpbarron: once it's working it's quite nice

03:20:56 mircea_popescu: that "once" may well be bridge too far for many practical applications.

03:21:28 gabriel_laddel: mod6: I have a *working* funtoo install guide, which is for all intents and purposes the same as gentoo

03:21:43 gabriel_laddel: it has been tested twice, is solid

03:21:44 mircea_popescu: where ?

03:21:46 mod6: feel free to send it my way.

03:22:13 gabriel_laddel: !s system.html

03:22:14 assbot: 10 results for 'system.html' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=system.html

03:22:17 mod6: i'll try it out. i hosed up my grub; haven't had a chance to tinker/rebuild yet.

03:22:37 gabriel_laddel: Section #2, Installing

03:23:22 mircea_popescu: " This is a time consuming PITA. "

03:23:26 mircea_popescu: i feel encouraged.

03:23:34 gabriel_laddel: it'll eat an entire day

03:23:47 gabriel_laddel: hence, I reccomend waiting on the automated install

03:24:03 mircea_popescu: http://gabriel-laddel.github.io/Funtoo_Linux_Installation.htm aha.

03:25:03 gabriel_laddel: but if mod6 is in need of something that works, well - there it is

03:25:03 mircea_popescu: "If your system's date and time are too far off (typically by months or years,) then it may prevent Portage from properly downloading source tarballs. "

03:25:03 mircea_popescu: motherfucker.

03:25:03 gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: yeah, portage needs to die - 70k loc, python.

03:25:14 mircea_popescu: it's just... why the fuck would the color of your blouse decide whether it rains that day

03:25:24 mod6: thanks, just took a look. im not even sure my problems are gentoo related exactly. i think i have a good /etc/fstab. and i /think/ my partition table was setup correctly with fdisk. this pos box had win7 on it, im guessing it's MBR and not EFI.

03:25:38 decimation: possibly because it tries to download timestamped files?

03:25:49 decimation: on the other hand, how hard would it be to use ntpdate first

03:26:10 gabriel_laddel: why would it need to download timestamped files?

03:26:18 mod6: but when i boot up, i get "grub2> " prompt and then shit like this: "(hd0) (hd0,msdos1) (hd0,msdos2) (hd0,msdos3) (hd0,msdos4) (fd0)"

03:26:33 mod6: well, after an `ls` at the grub prompt anyway.

03:27:17 mod6: i basically created a livecd, did everything as instructed through the gentoo handbook.

03:27:28 decimation: I donno, I didn't program it. I still remember cursing portage a decade ago while recompiling X again

03:27:31 gabriel_laddel: mod6: I'd compare your fdisk -l /dev/sda with the contents of /etc/fstab

03:28:07 mod6: gabriel_laddel: werd. it /seems/ right. but like I said, maybe another look will tell the tale. i'll be checking it out more tomorrow.

03:28:17 decimation: mod6: creating an 'installer' that will work on abitrary hardware is not easy at all

03:28:22 mod6: if all else fails, i'll give your guide a shot.

03:29:01 mircea_popescu: decimation it's due to the cert business.

03:29:08 decimation: ah makes sense

03:29:13 mircea_popescu: because god fucking forbid you download pgp signed matter and verify it locally

03:29:19 mircea_popescu: nu-uh, gotta pki the shit.

03:29:28 decimation: heh, well gpg has the same issue

03:29:31 mircea_popescu: all-the-wrong-things (tm)

03:29:36 mircea_popescu: how ?

03:29:37 decimation: I tend to agree that expiration dates don't belong on keys

03:29:43 decimation: keys can expire

03:29:58 mircea_popescu: key expiring has nothing to do with verifying material they produced tho

03:30:13 decimation: key expiration is kinda like the 'colored coins' idea

03:30:20 decimation: no it does not

03:30:21 mircea_popescu: heh i guess so

03:31:03 decimation: but nevertheless someone thought they should program a check for the expiration date on the pki cert

03:31:46 decimation: and/or "it couldn't possibly be valid if my wall-clock says so"

03:32:36 mircea_popescu: it's just this entire frantic activity as a cover-up for impotence.

03:32:53 mircea_popescu: retarded people who do not belong in front of a computer try their darndest to "make it secure" but have no fucking idea what that is

03:33:03 mircea_popescu: so they just throw things at it. "Can't hurt, right ?" "test more things"

03:33:12 mircea_popescu: "nobody can say we're not hard at work over here"

03:33:20 decimation: well, computers are fundamentally impotent, especially w.r.t. security

03:33:30 decimation: and poor quality hardware implementations

03:33:58 decimation: lots of ultimately fruitless activity triggered by both of those

03:34:06 gabriel_laddel: mod6: fyi, if you follow that funtoo install guide and don't use the masamune-specific replacements you'll end up with a binary kernel (funtoo has already started decaying) - make sure you use the KERNEL section of system.html if nothing else

03:34:41 gabriel_laddel: also, I've a frozen stage3 tarball you may want to use

03:34:45 decimation: I thought funtoo used rhel kernels

03:35:01 gabriel_laddel: decimation: debian

03:35:11 gabriel_laddel: by default anyhow

03:35:17 mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel if you're going to be doing code preservation you prolly want to hash and deed like i did on the eulora binaries for nvidia drivers.

03:35:17 trinque: gabriel_laddel: PSA that deedbot likes to eat manifests

03:35:24 trinque: heh

03:35:59 gabriel_laddel: alrighty

03:36:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4950 @ 0.00032569 = 1.6122 BTC [-] {2}

03:39:14 BingoBoingo: In other news, training to get into shape for boxing training is progressing nicely. 80 pushups yesterday... May be able to try a boxing gym next year. Would be nice if I could line it up with USian exodus

03:40:45 trinque: BingoBoingo: have a destination yet?

03:40:56 mircea_popescu: 80 pushups ?!

03:41:06 mod6: gabriel_laddel: ok thanks for the heads up

03:41:07 mircea_popescu: can you do any chinups yet ?

03:41:10 BingoBoingo: trinque: Maybe mexico city or Makati

03:41:27 trinque: cool

03:41:59 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Doing dumbell rows to get the strength to get to chinups/pullups. In the interim cutting weight to make that stuff easier.

03:42:35 BingoBoingo: !up gabriel_laddel

03:42:47 BingoBoingo: brb, seeing if I can do chin ups

03:42:49 Landgull: Bingo - if central America looks good to you/you speak Spanish, south America is also a good place to flee to.

03:42:49 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152414 << portage fetches many things from version control systems of various sorts (cvs, svn, git, mercurial, etc, ..., etc) and these typically barf when clock is wildly off

03:42:49 assbot: Logged on 03-06-2015 03:25:03; mircea_popescu: "If your system's date and time are too far off (typically by months or years,) then it may prevent Portage from properly downloading source tarballs. "

03:43:17 asciilifeform: ('woah you're downloading from tehfyootor!!111!1'

03:43:48 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152425 << aha, the 'xorg' thing. shitgnomatics pure & simple

03:43:48 assbot: Logged on 03-06-2015 03:27:28; decimation: I donno, I didn't program it. I still remember cursing portage a decade ago while recompiling X again

03:44:08 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if every time i went to buy a quart of milk the teller asked me what time it is...

03:44:16 mircea_popescu: i'd prolly just go back to a life of murder.

03:44:25 BingoBoingo: Landgull: I'd like to travel though as nobody

03:44:34 BingoBoingo: And no, not chin-up in shape yet

03:44:58 Landgull: If you're avoiding the US, you want to establish at the very least legal permanent residence, and proof of it somewhere else, for the tax exemption.

03:45:44 BingoBoingo: Landgull: Atm USia isn't so bad because I have nothing.

03:45:58 asciilifeform: i beg to differ, it's pretty bad with nothing

03:46:01 BingoBoingo: But as that changes situation will get moar desperate

03:46:10 asciilifeform: perhaps my nothings are different from BingoBoingo's ?

03:46:27 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Our scales may be differently calibrated.

03:47:07 trinque: my life's pretty good, but as long as I'm here I'm no better than a happy citizen of the reich

03:47:25 Landgull: Fair enough. I established Paraguayan legal residency a while back as a way to 1) have legal residence in a 0% tax area and 2) have a guaranteed place I'm allowed to go if the world suddenly decides that it doesn't really want Americans hanging about.

03:47:43 asciilifeform: Landgull: how do you plan to get there? glider ?

03:48:42 asciilifeform: i recently learned, to some surprise, that ru is now a destination for immigrants

03:48:44 Landgull: They can't ban flights in and out of the US, that would strangle the beast.

03:48:54 BingoBoingo: My nothing consists of an ongoing misdemeanor legal case that constrains my travel (2 years nao) and older relatives I help to keep out of the nursing home.

03:48:58 asciilifeform: (but same problem as anywhere else - what to eat)

03:49:43 asciilifeform: !s republikflucht

03:49:44 assbot: 10 results for 'republikflucht' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=republikflucht

03:50:21 trinque: only possible (and certainly not easy) solution seems to be to establish bitcoin revenue streams, and *in time*

03:50:36 trinque: that and coffee wake me up in the morning

03:50:53 asciilifeform: trinque: another solution is to discover cold fusion, interstellar engine, or time travel

03:51:06 trinque: nobody ever once started a business and made any money

03:51:24 asciilifeform: business without any geographic peg at all? sure, some

03:51:26 asciilifeform: but rounds to 0.

03:51:38 Landgull: Or to go to places where you can live comfortably on ~$500-750 a month, and teach English.

03:51:50 trinque: Landgull: *mandarin :P

03:51:53 asciilifeform: Landgull: why do you imagine anyone will pay you this to teach english

03:51:54 trinque: I have a buddy learning that now

03:51:56 asciilifeform: esp. after u.s. is done

03:52:22 Landgull: Well, by the time the US is done, you should have found some way to integrate yourself into the local community.

03:53:45 gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: korea

03:53:58 BingoBoingo: Landgull: Understand most places where teaching English for money is a thing are awfully xenophobic to white people as residents. Like Korea.

03:54:07 gabriel_laddel: ummm

03:55:29 Landgull: Bingo: Go to Georgia - your visitor's visa is good for 360 days out of 365 (take a trip across a border to anywhere, or just give someone a $10 bribe) and English is becoming the new state language, replacing Russian, so native English speakers are in demand.

03:56:49 Landgull: CIS countries aren't exactly paradise, but if you want out, there are plenty of ways out.

03:58:13 BingoBoingo: Landgull: I've got ideas, just working on means of execution. Georgia doesn't seem like a good fit.

03:59:44 Landgull: Fair enough. I haven't been to Georgia yet, I'm hoping to visit sometime in the next few months.

04:02:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5484 @ 0.00033185 = 1.8199 BTC [+]

04:20:34 BingoBoingo: !up gabriel_laddel

04:21:31 asciilifeform: Landgull: when nato dies its long-overdue death, cometh the bulldozer

04:22:49 Landgull: Sure. But there are still plenty of parts of the world where the food supply comes from within 100 miles of the city.

04:24:38 asciilifeform: Landgull: planning to live by gleaning ?

04:25:28 decimation: new zealand comes to mind

04:25:56 decimation: it's full of socialist derps but pretty self-sufficient

04:26:01 BingoBoingo: Landgull: Come to scenic southern illinois!

04:26:04 Landgull: Well, you strike me as a pretty decent coder/developer, ascii. In any country that is an outsourcing location for devs, being able to develop and being a native English speaker makes you a valuable hire.

04:26:29 asciilifeform: Landgull: i'd rather be boiled for soap

04:26:32 asciilifeform: than work as 'coder'

04:26:42 decimation: Landgull: I think ascii's goal is to sleep ad libitum

04:26:52 Landgull: I'm in Lviv, Ukraine right now. I can walk down to the market and buy a kilo of fresh strawberries for the local equivalent of $.50, and a bottle of vodka for $2.50

04:27:15 decimation: can also catch a 7.62 round

04:27:21 BingoBoingo: <Landgull> Well, you strike me as a pretty decent coder/developer, ascii. In any country that is an outsourcing location for devs, being able to develop and being a native English speaker makes you a valuable hire. << Alf is in a more dangerous position. He is an excellent flenser and polisher. Intellectually uninteresting work will shave decades off of his life.

04:27:47 BingoBoingo: <Landgull> I'm in Lviv, Ukraine right now. I can walk down to the market and buy a kilo of fresh strawberries for the local equivalent of $.50, and a bottle of vodka for $2.50 << Welcome to my back yard

04:28:02 Landgull: Well, if you're smart enough to know how to allocate memory in C, you can find a way to earn $500 a month anywhere in the world.

04:28:18 asciilifeform: Landgull: in a way that doesn't make you save up for a pistol to blow brains with?

04:28:24 decimation: let us know when Putin the Great asks for german colonists to come back to odessa

04:28:27 asciilifeform: if i were smart enough for this, would not be living in usa now.

04:28:54 Landgull: Well, what do you do in the USA now? And Putin has no interest in Lviv.

04:29:35 asciilifeform: Landgull: i must refer you to the logs. it is difficult to describe

04:30:33 Landgull: Fair enough. All I know is that I'd plow fields to avoid going back to the US.

04:30:44 asciilifeform: Landgull: presently i work on automation of reverse-engineering on x86. prior to that, as a reverse engineer. prior to that, high-performance computing for biotech, as sole programmer in entire outfit

04:31:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45206 @ 0.00032854 = 14.852 BTC [-] {2}

04:31:47 Landgull: So, if you sold those skills freelance, for $100 an hour, you could work for 10 hours a month and live very comfortably in most parts of the world.

04:31:56 Landgull: Most non-anglophone parts.

04:32:15 asciilifeform: !s meatwot

04:32:16 assbot: 11 results for 'meatwot' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=meatwot

04:32:20 asciilifeform: Landgull: ^ must refer you to logs.

04:32:44 trinque: !s variety speak

04:32:45 assbot: 48 results for 'variety speak' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=variety+speak

04:32:45 decimation: Landgull: I desire to work 0 hours per month for someone else

04:33:04 decimation: neigh impossible in fiat world

04:33:23 Landgull: Decimation: As do I. But that's much easier to achieve when your expenses are $500, not $5,000.

04:34:06 decimation: sure, dollar pollution is high in the us, but that's where I'm stuck. like ascii, my wot is here

04:34:47 asciilifeform: Landgull: one thing to be aware of is that logic analyzer still costs 500 in lvov. and electron microscope still costs 500000, just like in new york.

04:34:56 asciilifeform: (plus a few tonnes' shipping)

04:35:13 decimation: ^ that too

04:35:27 decimation: electronics has been completely 'globalized'

04:35:53 Landgull: Fair points as well. And I'm not suggesting Lviv as a specific destination, I'm here meeting the girlfriend's family - though it's really quite a nice city.

04:36:07 asciilifeform: no just pointing out the limitations of 'move, shave some zeroes from your expenses'

04:36:13 asciilifeform: it works for, e.g., rent

04:36:20 decimation: and food to some extent

04:36:22 asciilifeform: not so much for actually -fucking living- life

04:36:39 decimation: that requires - actual city

04:37:11 Landgull: I guess it depends on what pieces of life you consider living. I'm not arguing that it's easier to get out of the US, if it were easier it would be done.

04:37:14 asciilifeform: it requires functioning industrial economy

04:37:16 decimation: ascii you could probably buy a few acres of iowa for a few $k

04:37:28 asciilifeform: decimation: and eat roots, berries ?

04:37:34 decimation: heh yeah exactly

04:37:45 Landgull: You can buy enough rental properties in Lviv to live indefinitely with indefinite free time for ~$100k USD.

04:37:46 asciilifeform: decimation: not to mention that tax is still payable in usd

04:37:49 asciilifeform: and not roots, berries.

04:38:09 decimation: indeed. then your only choice is to live under a stump like that one guy

04:38:10 asciilifeform: Landgull: until the city is liberated and they shoot everyone who ever held u.s. passport

04:38:15 asciilifeform: (rest assured there is a list)

04:38:26 BingoBoingo: decimation> ascii you could probably buy a few acres of iowa for a few $k << Not really, Chicoms are buying Iowa like it is going out of style.

04:38:41 Landgull: Ascii: No-one really hates Americans, unless you're the socks with sandals type.

04:38:49 asciilifeform: Landgull: guess again.

04:38:52 decimation: Landgull: read many books?

04:39:24 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this is the reason you can't buy so much as a square metre in, e.g., patagonia. that is, if you and i can afford it, ted turner can afford 1,000,000+ of it and at 1000x bid

04:39:32 decimation: !article 58

04:39:36 decimation: !s article 58

04:39:37 assbot: 3 results for 'article 58' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=article+58

04:39:49 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the only reason you and i even can afford food is that he doesn't need all of it

04:39:57 Landgull: ...I'm telling you from having been to a number of places and talked to a number of people, I've yet to meet anyone who hates American people.

04:40:02 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Indeed. We are limited to the border swamps

04:40:04 Landgull: Plenty hate the American government.

04:40:48 decimation: Landgull: the point is that when they want to throw you in the gulag, nicities like 'we liked americans' mean jack shit

04:41:13 Landgull: ...except the only gulags that still exist are in the USA.

04:41:23 decimation: heh

04:41:28 Landgull: And North Korea.

04:41:37 Landgull: But I'm not advocating trying to migrate to North Korea.

04:41:46 decimation: russia and china have thier own versions

04:42:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14939 @ 0.0003375 = 5.0419 BTC [+] {3}

04:42:35 Landgull: Most governments don't have the kind of resources to do US style insanity.

04:44:30 Landgull: And most people in the world don't have the culture of violence that the US does.

04:44:55 asciilifeform: Landgull: culture of bending over and quietly taking arse rape is an improvement ?

04:45:16 Landgull: Well, the Ukrainians have thrown more molotovs at their government than anyone else recently.

04:45:25 asciilifeform: a healthy tradition of violence is quite possibly the only thing u.s. has left going for it.

04:45:27 Landgull: And probably will again soon.

04:45:59 decimation: lol ukrainians have done was usg wills

04:46:25 decimation: !s nuland

04:46:26 assbot: 14 results for 'nuland' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=nuland

04:46:31 Landgull: I know all about Nuland.

04:46:38 Landgull: And the US corruption of the Maidan.

04:49:23 decimation: asciilifeform: I bought one of those termteks, gonna see if it works

04:49:43 decimation: I want a remote console for my server

04:49:47 asciilifeform: decimation: consider posting a pic of the insides

04:49:53 decimation: sure no problem

04:50:08 Landgull: But seriously, it takes 10 minutes of talking to actual Ukrainians walking around here to see that they haven't bought USgov propaganda properly. As much as the information net wants you to believe it's the same everywhere, it isn't.

04:50:38 decimation: they don't have to buy it for some army or other to show up to 'liberate' them

04:50:44 asciilifeform: Landgull: there's a couplea million folks a few 100 km east of you who will have your head on a pike if you stick around.

04:50:55 asciilifeform: don't imagine they won't.

04:50:57 decimation: or encourage you to do your patriotic duty

04:51:59 Landgull: Ascii: 1) I can buy a plane ticket somewhere else if a real invasion happened. 2) If the Russians came into the Ukrainian speaking part of Ukraine, they'd be fighting a massive guerrilla war...they're succeeding in Donetsk and Luhansk because the people there are Russians and have a Russian identity.

04:52:26 decimation: the red army was famous for putting machine gunners behind the troops, for encouragement

04:52:33 asciilifeform: Landgull: ask the older locals how the guerilla war worked out for them '45-'60

04:53:07 decimation: or how it worked out for the anti-asad syrians

04:53:35 decimation: or how it worked out for the anti-chinese vietnamese

04:53:49 asciilifeform: and this notion that one can buy plane ticket during invasion...

04:53:57 *: asciilifeform won't even comment on this

04:54:10 asciilifeform: !s diamond train

04:54:11 assbot: 0 results for 'diamond train' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=diamond+train

04:54:20 Landgull: I'd mention that I'm out here doing what you claim to want to do.

04:54:27 decimation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_Saigon#/media/File:Saigon-hubert-van-es.jpg

04:55:27 asciilifeform: Landgull: then you have a catastrophic misconception of what i would like to do.

04:55:27 Landgull: You don't want to get out of the US?

04:55:27 asciilifeform: i want out of u.s. on -my- terms

04:55:30 asciilifeform: and when i say 'out', i mean 'out'

04:55:34 asciilifeform: and not living in a u.s. colony

04:55:42 asciilifeform: which 100% of cis, and esp. west ua, is

04:55:47 asciilifeform: just as new zealand is

04:55:49 asciilifeform: or poland

04:56:00 decimation: indeed, such a place probably does not exist

04:56:04 Landgull: Before I came here, I would have said the same thing.

04:56:07 trinque: it's going to have to be an underground-undersea base

04:56:21 Landgull: And the government is owned by the US here, but the government here doesn't have any actual power.

04:56:27 asciilifeform: trinque: they exist but generally you gotta be ethnic

04:56:27 decimation: trinque: undersea is laughably insecure

04:56:30 asciilifeform: trinque: e.g., cn

04:56:37 Landgull: That's the thing that's virtually impossible to understand while you're still in the US.

04:56:44 trinque: decimation: note the hyphen, not a slash

04:56:54 trinque: underground *and* undersea!

04:57:00 decimation: heh

04:57:06 decimation: you livin in a volcano?

04:57:20 trinque: cover's blown

04:57:50 decimation: Landgull: the thing is, if you make trouble and usg wants you, the derpy local government will please their masters

04:58:13 Landgull: Sure, they will. What kind of trouble are you looking to make?

04:58:27 decimation: replace fiat with bitcoin?

04:58:49 Landgull: Do you have enough money for them to notice you exist?

04:59:15 decimation: if bitcoin becomes close to replacing any major fiat, it will be 'enough money' for everyone to notice

04:59:18 asciilifeform: Landgull: e.g., weev, had no money.

04:59:28 asciilifeform: neither did the 'ufo hacker' kid in uk

04:59:40 asciilifeform: nor, afaik, mr assange

04:59:48 asciilifeform: money is not needed to be gassed

05:00:19 Landgull: If bitcoin starts replacing fiat, the USgov isn't going to have the resources to come after you.

05:00:20 decimation: and to monetize bitcoin is to destroy the entire usd financial 'system'

05:00:38 Landgull: As for the rest: How many of them lived in non-anglophone countries?

05:00:40 decimation: which is why they will pinch you as soon as they can

05:00:55 trinque: Landgull: I'd expect some tumultuous years before that's complete

05:01:36 Landgull: Sure. But I'd expect your chances are better in a country where the government is essentially non-existent than they are somewhere that they know where you are and can knock on your door.

05:01:41 asciilifeform: they are making the slow but inevitable transition from fraud to robbery

05:02:06 decimation: ^ which is when it will be useful to live in a 'culture of violence'

05:02:30 asciilifeform: Landgull: other thing is, if you rely on electronic banks in any way whatsoever, they'll simply zero your accounts

05:02:42 asciilifeform: and send you a complimentary plane ticket back to gulag

05:02:56 Landgull: Ascii: cash, and meatWOT, and btc are all keys to avoiding that.

05:03:18 asciilifeform: Landgull: if you have enough of these to last your entire natural life, we're happy for you

05:03:35 Landgull: My girlfriend is from here. Her family likes me. If it were THAT dire, I'd go run away to their village and help them grow food.

05:04:15 decimation: how many people in that village will know about the foreigner?

05:04:17 asciilifeform: y'know, for all the things said about american prison, at least no one is compelled to be involved in the growing of food there.

05:04:45 decimation: aye, most of the 'resources' he complains about are spent feeding prisoners

05:05:07 Landgull: If you're going to declare yourself an enemy of the USgov and be a real threat to them, they'll find you, sure.

05:05:24 decimation: or RUgov

05:05:32 Landgull: Or any major government.

05:05:47 decimation: or maybe they will round up the 'dissidents' to be shot to encourage the masses

05:05:52 Landgull: If you just don't want flashbangs coming in your window and poisonous food, then you can have a much better life outside of the US.

05:06:41 *: asciilifeform tries to recall the last time americans threw grenade in his window

05:06:43 BingoBoingo: <Landgull> If you just don't want flashbangs coming in your window and poisonous food, then you can have a much better life outside of the US. << I have yet to seem flashbangs tyvm. I just has a single FBI agent and single treasury agent sweating on my front lawn like the hambeasts they were.

05:07:00 *: asciilifeform tries to recall the last time he ate synthetic food

05:08:04 Landgull: Ascii: There is no actual food available in the US unless you grow it yourself. Seriously. I didn't think it was that bad until I ate real food. As for the flashbangs: people get no-knocked all the time. You're the ones saying they're going to send death-squads to Ukraine after me, but you're not worried about them doing the same to you from in their backyard?

05:08:29 BingoBoingo: Landgull: I am terribly worried of that.

05:08:38 asciilifeform: Landgull: the queue must be long, i'm still waiting to be gassed, give'em some time

05:08:47 decimation: generally no-knocks are done of folks who give the cops some reason to think they will be a threat

05:08:49 BingoBoingo: But I am terribly resigned to being low on the cue

05:09:05 asciilifeform: 'prison is like the grave, room can be found for everyone' (ru proverb)

05:09:41 Landgull: If they want you, they'll find you wherever you go. But it takes a lot more wanting to deal with finding you somewhere else than it does to find you when you're wrapped up with a bow for them.

05:10:32 asciilifeform: Landgull: interestingly, it is much cheaper to have you picked up in an 'orcish' land than in, e.g., new york

05:10:46 asciilifeform: because the dirty work can be done with local hands, and bureaucratic niceties are 100% optional

05:10:49 Landgull: Plus, as I said, the USgov owns the UAgov, but unlike the US where the government really effects your life, the government here is a mass of incompetent bureaucracy without any serious ability to organize anything.

05:11:03 decimation: no lawyers, etc

05:11:10 asciilifeform: Landgull: ^ and this doesn't affect your life?!

05:11:10 decimation: no other parts of usg to fiddle

05:11:33 Landgull: Well, I'm not trying to be here on a permanent visa.

05:11:50 BingoBoingo: <Landgull> Plus, as I said, the USgov owns the UAgov, but unlike the US where the government really effects your life, the government here is a mass of incompetent bureaucracy without any serious ability to organize anything. << Kinda why Phillipines is on my exit candidate list. Massively orchish and USG proving proving ground for cultural failures.

05:11:55 Landgull: And I'm not suggesting Lviv as the destination of the century - like I said, I'm here to meet the girlfriend's family.

05:11:55 asciilifeform: Landgull: besides, they did organize very well to shell a few million ru folks in east ua day and night. that will be paid for eventually.

05:12:29 Landgull: Yeah, but most of those soldiers are extremely hostile to the UAgov at this point. It's more likely to be paid for by the UAarmy than the RUarmy.

05:12:54 asciilifeform: Landgull: they're bringing in u.s. mercenaries. will be many good lulz.

05:12:56 Landgull: I've heard the Phillipines are good. I've never been there.

05:13:08 BingoBoingo: http://pastebin.com/B1t1i1nx << WHo was in charge of gossipd???

05:14:08 decimation: I was unaware that generals took the opinion of their troops into account

05:14:08 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: artifexd

05:14:08 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell artifexd http://pastebin.com/B1t1i1nx

05:15:08 gribble: The operation succeeded.

05:15:08 Landgull: If the troops have more guns than they have generals...

05:15:08 decimation: then mutineers are shot?

05:15:08 Landgull: These people have been fighting for actual independence, from everyone, for over 100 years. They've fought poles, they've fought germans, they've fought russians.

05:15:37 Landgull: Unlike the USgov with a nebulous idea of "we want to spread democracy guyz" they actually know what they're fighting for.

05:15:45 asciilifeform: Landgull: fighting to be zimbabwe, yes

05:16:13 asciilifeform: Landgull: if they had learned to manufacture so much as an alarm clock, much less airplane or nuke, they would be somewhere on the road to where 'independence' is thinkable outside of a lunatic asylum

05:16:18 asciilifeform: as we have it - zimbabwe.

05:16:24 Landgull: Ascii: Most of the "economic development" in the world is fed by debt-bubbles.

05:16:26 decimation: I was under the impression that they wanted to recreate the waffen ss

05:16:41 asciilifeform: decimation: aha, with pitchforks (what'll be left after nato packs up)

05:17:09 decimation: http://rt.com/news/155364-ukraine-nazi-division-march/

05:18:09 Landgull: As for the nazi issue: Yes, Bandera and UPA are considered cultural heroes here, and yes they co-operated with the germans, because they thought it was their best chance for an independent Ukraine.

05:18:09 decimation: of course, as moldbug said, actual nazis would ahve been horrified by these guys

05:18:23 Landgull: Most of the things you're saying are what I thought before I actually got on an airplane and came here.

05:18:34 asciilifeform: Landgull: i happen to have been born there.

05:18:49 Landgull: In Lviv?

05:19:12 asciilifeform: 600km east

05:19:16 asciilifeform: odessa

05:20:03 Landgull: Are you Russian or Ukrainian?

05:20:16 asciilifeform: ru

05:20:45 decimation: wait, I thought ukrainian was kind of a rural-hick version of russian (as a language)

05:20:50 asciilifeform: when the ukrs came, changed the street signs, and forced their chimp dialect to be taught in schools, my folks packed up for usa.

05:20:58 asciilifeform: decimation: it is

05:21:16 asciilifeform: decimation: phun phact: 'u kraina' ~= 'on the hinterlands'

05:21:16 decimation: the idea that western ukraine exists as a separate race or language is hilarious

05:21:41 BingoBoingo: Landgull: May I suggest lever action rifle as a solution to your problems. Since pistol caliber casting rounds with coinsilver is surprisingly reasonable

05:22:27 Landgull: ...except I can look at people and tell who is Russian and who is Ukrainian. And again: I'm not saying Ukraine is the mecca to run to, I'm saying that getting out of the US to somewhere that is saner, (and yes, UA is saner than the US) is worth the effort.

05:22:53 asciilifeform: Landgull: west ua is ethnically own things, yes. largely pl and hu folks

05:23:25 decimation: russia itself isn't exactly homogenous

05:24:16 BingoBoingo: !up Vexual

05:24:18 Landgull: Ascii: holodomor and resettling of russians during the USSR definitely effected the country in a big way, demographically, such that "historically Ukrainian" lands aren't really Ukrainian anymore.

05:24:28 asciilifeform: decimation: when most foreigners think of ru, they picture something roughly like the duchy of moscovy circa 1300s

05:24:59 *: BingoBoingo pictures Sean Connery's home in Hunt for the Red October

05:25:08 asciilifeform: *1500

05:26:03 Landgull: But the Ukrainians are an actual race and culture - yes they're similar to the Poles, the Hungarians, and the Russians, but whether or not they're a biological race or just a cultural and linguistic one, they've a strong sense of national identity and a strong desire for national self-determination.

05:26:41 decimation: asciilifeform: yeah but what about all the turkic and mongoliod autonomous regions

05:26:46 asciilifeform: next Landgull will have us consider the pakistanis or taiwanese 'an ancient and own race and culture'

05:26:59 Landgull: I also think that Crimea and eastern UA shouldn't probably be part of the same country as western and central UA.

05:27:03 asciilifeform: rather than the anglo-created zoos they are

05:27:08 decimation: Urdu having sprung from the wisdom of the british line-drawers

05:27:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18300 @ 0.0003292 = 6.0244 BTC [-]

05:27:40 asciilifeform: and i'd like to learn of the ancient and proud race of south korea.

05:27:42 Landgull: Except the people here have been fighting to be their own country since before the US became an empire.

05:27:59 decimation: Landgull: what about Zabaykalsky Krai

05:28:20 asciilifeform: Landgull: mainly fighting poles, and turks, yes

05:28:35 Landgull: Decimation: It's not something I know enough about to make any comment on.

05:28:46 asciilifeform: and to avoid rape & pillage, rather than 'to be own country', which is really a 19th c. psychiatric disease

05:28:56 asciilifeform: and in its most acute manifestations, far more recent than that

05:29:18 decimation: my point is that there are plenty of autonomous oblasts inside ru which have similiar 'ethnic and liguistic' claims

05:29:37 decimation: hell, so do the apache in arizona

05:29:41 Landgull: And if they want independence, why shouldn't they have it?

05:29:50 asciilifeform: decimation: i will add that usg works tirelessly to help -them- as well 'wake up' to their 'ancient and proud cultural identity and thirst for independence'

05:29:51 decimation: because they suck, and cannot achieve it

05:30:20 Landgull: So, you're opposed to US imperialism, but simultaneously think that people shouldn't have a right to self-determination?

05:30:29 asciilifeform: Landgull: any flea-bitten village can become an independent country. all it needs to do is learn to manufacture ballistic rockets and nukes by the thousands.

05:30:33 asciilifeform: and submarines to sail them on.

05:30:34 decimation: woah, I never said I was opposed to us imperialism

05:30:44 decimation: I'm opposed to the lack of liberty in the us

05:30:46 asciilifeform: anything short of this, is just switching the selection of imperial rapist

05:31:18 asciilifeform: Landgull: 'right to self-determination' comes from these gadgets and nowhere else.

05:31:22 Landgull: Ascii: a kalashnikov in the hands of every resident would achieve the same thing.

05:31:24 mats: fun fact: some large radio telescopes were built for earth to moon to earth surveillance of su radars

05:31:37 asciilifeform: Landgull: only if you're goatfuckistan

05:31:45 asciilifeform: with no infrastructure

05:31:51 asciilifeform: mats: i thought this was well-known

05:32:11 mats: why would you think that

05:32:13 decimation: what is your kalash going to do against a T-72?

05:32:30 Landgull: You don't go running headfirst towards tanks unless you're an idiot.

05:32:34 decimation: or an entire village pointing the finger at the foreign wrecker

05:32:38 asciilifeform: decimation: notice how usg is in kandahar but not in moscow

05:32:49 mats: fun fact: there are ascii art animals in the windows source

05:32:55 asciilifeform: it is not enough for the defensive weapon to make attack unprofitable, or even suicidal. it must be -unthinkable-

05:33:03 asciilifeform: as in - 'new york is glass'

05:33:06 decimation: yeah, cn and ru are more-or-less independent

05:33:51 Landgull: ...for the last time, I'm not saying "Hey guys, you should move to Ukraine." or that I'm moving to Ukraine for that matter - I prefer South America on the whole. I'm saying that if you want personal liberty, and to not live in an insane culture, you can actually leave and be better off.

05:34:08 asciilifeform: Landgull: i was merely arguing that you have not actually left usa

05:34:15 decimation: and I'm saying that you have lept from the frying pan into the fire

05:34:20 asciilifeform: just living in the 76th state or the like.

05:34:32 decimation: you are part of the greater-usaia that has no pretense of rights

05:34:48 asciilifeform: yes, flat in lvov costs about what it does in iowa.

05:34:57 asciilifeform: but why is this exciting

05:35:06 decimation: ^ if ascii wanted to live in a mut hut, he could do in the us for the same price

05:35:14 mats: fun fact: an untrusted process can invoke ACPI control methods with arbitrary arguments.

05:35:15 asciilifeform: cheaper

05:35:18 asciilifeform: no need for airplane.

05:35:23 decimation: could even carry kalash

05:35:35 asciilifeform: mats: untrusted ~= without admin ?

05:35:41 mats: yeah

05:35:59 asciilifeform: mats: considering the ease of bypassing uac on all known winblows, sorta academic

05:36:04 decimation: mats: probably depends on how retarded your hardware is

05:36:19 asciilifeform: mats: or the abundance of buggy legit-signed drivers to dynamically load and exploit

05:36:38 Landgull: Ascii: I won't disagree with you (decimation, you're wrong.) that most of the world is currently under the USgov thumb, to some degree. But you are still better off in an outlying part of it, where the control is less potent, and has much less influence on your daily life (like, in terms of being able to buy food that doesn't make you sick, and being able to date girls who aren't insane) than you are sitting in their back yard

05:37:26 asciilifeform: Landgull: get back to us re: the girls once you have $0

05:37:41 asciilifeform: and re: their sanity once you renounce your u.s. passport formally

05:37:49 decimation: heh yeah

05:38:07 Landgull: Ascii: met the girl in Canada, she pays for half of everything, and she's not interested in ever going back to the west, because it's too insane.

05:38:41 *: asciilifeform cannot comment on the specifics of Landgull's case here, but the overall prognosis of americans who go abroad 'for the gurlz' is dire

05:39:00 Landgull: Decimation: You're imagining that governments in the rest of the world work like the US government. I.E. the laws on the books matter. They can pass a law saying just about anything they want, but they don't have the means to enforce it and they have a population that is used to just ignoring government stupidity instead of bending over.

05:39:23 Landgull: The babusya/babushkas here have more power than Poroshenko does.

05:39:44 asciilifeform: Landgull: this cuts both ways. if locals start charging you $1000/mo for the great privilege of your flat not being torched, the officials -also- will not care.

05:40:05 Landgull: Sure. And it's why you do need to actually integrate. I.E. learn the language, get to know people, etc.

05:40:25 asciilifeform: if Landgull did this - congrats to him

05:40:26 Landgull: Same thing with the women. If you go to Ukraine, find English speaking girls, and flash your passport and cash around, you're going to have a bad day.

05:40:44 Vexual: how much is the chapagne agian?!?!

05:41:05 Landgull: ~40-50 hryvnyas. So $2-3

05:41:23 Landgull: Ascii: I'm working, slowly, on my Ukrainian. My Spanish is much better.

05:41:25 Vexual: yeah depends where you go i suppose

05:42:05 decimation: Landgull: seems like a high price to pay in terms of years of your life for very thin guarantees

05:42:20 Landgull: Decimation: I'm not running from, I'm running to.

05:42:38 Landgull: I used to be running from.

05:43:48 Landgull: I like learning languages, and I like buying my food in an open air market from the person who grew it.

05:44:27 Vexual: i like strip joints

05:44:47 Vexual: prolly where i went wrong

05:45:12 Landgull: Haha. I also like cheap vodka and cops you can bribe away from petty crimes.

05:45:39 Vexual: in australia, its too hot for the cops to get out of the car mostly

05:45:55 Vexual: they do finger wagging with the windows up

05:46:01 Landgull: XD

05:47:08 Landgull: I'd rather there were a safe, sane, stable country where I could go, build a business, and have a normal life, but that's not going to exist until btc finishes what it has started.

05:48:19 Landgull: And if the western finance system does come crashing down, you're going to be better off in poor countries (granted that you can live like a local) because they're used to things like that happening. USistan will devolve into utter insanity.

05:48:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16174 @ 0.00032862 = 5.3151 BTC [-]

05:53:01 Vexual: safe, sane, and stable are all kind subjective

05:54:42 Vexual: why most people stay put

05:54:52 Landgull: !up Vexual

05:55:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15474 @ 0.00033521 = 5.187 BTC [+]

05:56:18 Landgull: Sure, it's not for everyone.

05:57:22 Vexual: what, moving or sanity?

05:57:48 Landgull: Moving. The fact that people still pay for cable is proof that the second isn't for everyone.

05:58:04 Vexual: cable tv?

05:59:01 Landgull: It was more of a quip than a serious comment - but I know a number of people who spend their time yelling at the box because of what obama/the republicans/the gays/the church did today.

05:59:10 Vexual: oh yes

05:59:38 Vexual: where are you now, forgive my memeory constraints

05:59:47 Vexual: asia?

05:59:49 Landgull: Right now, Lviv, Ukraine.

05:59:57 Vexual: north asia

06:00:00 Landgull: For the next 2.5 months.

06:00:48 Vexual: chapagnes that cheap huh?

06:01:00 Vexual: you must be doing something right

06:01:45 Landgull: Cost of living, for the same standard of living, is ~5-10x lower here than in the US

06:02:34 Vexual: can you get a good tomato?

06:02:36 Landgull: If you actually go shop at the market and take public transport, as opposed to walling yourself off in some hotel.

06:02:44 Landgull: The food is better than anything I've ever had before.

06:02:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13700 @ 0.00032505 = 4.4532 BTC [-]

06:03:41 Landgull: People from the villages around Lviv bring in what they grow and sell it to you. No mass-produced GMO rin tomatoes.

06:04:14 Landgull: The reason tomatoes are pink instead of red is they're heterozygous for RIN, or ripening-inhibition gene to make them ship better.

06:04:50 Vexual: i kinda like em firm like that

06:04:55 Vexual: for sandwiches

06:05:18 Landgull: Well, they're still firm, because they're fresh. But you have to go to the market every day or two because the food goes bad quickly.

06:06:02 Landgull: Which sounds like a bad thing, but I'd like to know why it is that chicken rots much faster in Ukraine than in the US...

06:06:21 Landgull: If the bacteria won't eat it...

06:06:24 Vexual: fuck furn around here and the shits got maggots

06:07:13 Vexual: old school aussie fridge was a flyscreen

06:08:09 Landgull: I'm not trying to claim that this is some kind of paradise, it's absolutely not, and you have to give up a lot of the "first world" comforts.

06:08:29 Vexual: like strippers that dont pull a gun?

06:08:54 Landgull: Eh, violence here when it happens is much more the fist fight sort than the murder sort.

06:09:11 Landgull: Or the "I want your money" and then run away sort.

06:09:27 Landgull: It's definitely safer than the city I grew up in back in the US.

06:11:05 Vexual: sounds like a no-brainer

06:12:05 mircea_popescu: in sadder news, a reasonably recent 8 core server is doing block verification at the rate of 28 seconds per.

06:12:24 mircea_popescu: back when it was comissioned coupla years ago it blazed through them at the rate of 7-10 seconds per.

06:12:49 mircea_popescu: if one scales shit linarily, a 20mb block would be verified by this machine in 560 seconds, or just a shade under 10 minutes

06:13:07 mircea_popescu: meaning that the average server your average internaut can't afford would barely keep up with the chain.

06:14:08 Landgull: So doesn't that mean the 20mb block will self-defeat?

06:14:19 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> if one scales shit linarily, a 20mb block would be verified by this machine in 560 seconds, or just a shade under 10 minutes << Welcome to my world

06:14:49 Vexual: it means it time to vet ur nodes or ask someone else to bitcoin for you

06:15:15 mircea_popescu: Landgull the 20mb block is a transparent attempt by the usg to take control back.

06:15:35 mircea_popescu: it will self-defeat once the last policeman is buried in the coffin of the last politician.

06:16:05 Landgull: I don't think they can keep fighting physics and math forever.

06:16:19 BingoBoingo: Apparently some upstate politician who called himself Illinois fats died this week.

06:16:26 Vexual: rabies?

06:16:34 mircea_popescu: the masquerade where "people" ie, social media astroturf is misrepresented as being in favour of this atrocity...

06:17:07 mircea_popescu: "we joined bitcoin because we didn't like the banks so please take our bitcoin and put it in a bank"

06:18:11 Vexual: they renamed rabies here when they discovered over 50% of the fruitbats had it

06:18:28 Vexual: different strain

06:19:29 Vexual: still kills you

06:19:46 Landgull: Sure, but at least you didn't die of rabies.

06:20:09 Vexual: well define a species

06:20:18 Landgull: That was sarcasm.

06:20:29 Vexual: as was mine, kinda

06:20:57 Landgull: Homo facebookus would have to be aware of its life to die.

06:21:08 Vexual: more of an openeded intelecutal thingus really

06:23:55 mircea_popescu: i guess.

06:24:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4676 @ 0.00033521 = 1.5674 BTC [+]

06:27:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34277 @ 0.00034431 = 11.8019 BTC [+] {2}

06:27:27 BingoBoingo: !up Vexual

06:28:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22223 @ 0.00034815 = 7.7369 BTC [+] {2}

06:29:27 Vexual: southpark episides are so much easier to invent than southpark episides

06:32:16 Vexual: ^some ada for alf

06:35:18 Vexual: shoulda read seinfelf

06:35:20 Vexual: d

06:36:02 Vexual: where you malign yourslef agains your best friend and make funny mistakes

06:36:17 Vexual: its funny coz its true

06:38:55 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152492 << o.O

06:38:55 assbot: Logged on 03-06-2015 03:48:44; Landgull: They can't ban flights in and out of the US, that would strangle the beast.

06:39:02 mircea_popescu: what is this, crazy logic hour ?

06:40:02 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152507 << amusingly, the best pay for teaching greek was after the city collapsed

06:40:02 assbot: Logged on 03-06-2015 03:51:56; asciilifeform: esp. after u.s. is done

06:40:04 mircea_popescu: not before.

06:40:33 Landgull: It would, though. The US learned from the USSR: you're better off making people believe that you'll be murdered and raped and strangled if you go anywhere and leave the hotel. It keeps people in line much more effectively than a travel ban would.

06:40:42 Landgull: If a few dissidents flee, what of it? They were dissidents anyway.

06:41:02 Landgull: But if you try to ban leaving, they have to admit what they really are.

06:41:32 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152520 << this and http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152525 make for excellent reading. alf's developing the delivery skills of a character in a tenessee williams play.

06:41:32 assbot: Logged on 03-06-2015 04:24:38; asciilifeform: Landgull: planning to live by gleaning ?

06:41:32 assbot: Logged on 03-06-2015 04:26:29; asciilifeform: Landgull: i'd rather be boiled for soap

06:42:28 mircea_popescu: Landgull the future hears you and says "your cheap psycho-skullduggery holds no power here".

06:43:15 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152529 << for the local equivalent of checking someone else's privilege for them, yeah.

06:43:15 assbot: Logged on 03-06-2015 04:27:15; decimation: can also catch a 7.62 round

06:47:30 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152567 << i wonder what should be happening in one's head who "owns" real estate in random country but employs no army there.

06:47:30 assbot: Logged on 03-06-2015 04:37:45; Landgull: You can buy enough rental properties in Lviv to live indefinitely with indefinite free time for ~$100k USD.

06:48:26 mircea_popescu: what's the idea, someone'll indemnify you, come hell or high water, because they deeply care ?

06:49:19 Vexual: reminds me of kenilworth of btct fame whos books i just went over

06:49:20 Landgull: I don't own real estate in Lviv and won't particularly recommend it as an investment. Though it's probably better than a US bank account, which I do have.

06:49:44 mircea_popescu: if one's forced to pick prolly best pick a mix, but yeah

06:50:23 Landgull: I wouldn't be in a bitcoin channel if I thought that assets a government can take from you easily were a good idea. XD

06:51:08 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152594 << yes, actually, it is.

06:51:08 assbot: Logged on 03-06-2015 04:44:55; asciilifeform: Landgull: culture of bending over and quietly taking arse rape is an improvement ?

06:51:22 Vexual: next time theyll sitck to assob, lol

06:51:30 mircea_popescu: the us would be infinitely better if instead of "raising awareness" the impotent twerps would be busy accepting rape into their lives.

06:52:06 Landgull: As for the rest: if you're in line at a slaughterhouse, your best move is always to try to get away, even if you risk being shot in the process. Uncertain success is better than certain failure, and life in the US has become so intolerable that I'd rather take my chances with an uncertain future than with a certain one.

06:52:36 mircea_popescu: who're you again ?

06:52:39 Vexual: at least 800k missing, and all the vexual sundies add app to an obscenely close number to the allwoable sundries

06:52:58 Landgull: I'm a newb.

06:53:11 mircea_popescu: that's a what.

06:53:54 Landgull: I'm just some guy who found this place a few weeks ago, read the logs for a while, and decided that I'd like to join the community here, if it'll have me.

06:54:34 mircea_popescu: Landgull so what's flyotech ?

06:55:25 Landgull: Heh. Was a startup I was working on, using black soldier fly larvae to convert organic waste into biodiesel, fish feed, and fertilizer. Actually got it into Startup Chile, but my business partner refused to go to Chile and cost me the grant.

06:56:02 mircea_popescu: married ?

06:56:06 mircea_popescu: the partner i mean

06:56:22 Landgull: Patents are in the process. And yeah, it was the girlfriend - not married yet, but she has his balls just the same.

06:57:16 Landgull: It's for the best, the more I've learned about the "start up community" the more they make me want to gouge out my own eyes.

06:57:46 mircea_popescu: beware of women affraid to travel and fuck strangers. they make horrible wives.

06:58:31 Landgull: I'd say if you're dating a girl who would allow you to not go to something like that, you're dating the wrong woman.

06:59:40 Landgull: Either way, a couple other people have caught onto similar ideas and have gotten pretty far ahead of me by now, but I put in a patent app a while back and with any luck I'll be able to license those out when I get done with it.

06:59:56 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152634 << nuttiest thing i ever heard. so go into the secret service headquarters, kick the boss out of his office and play quake on his desktop for an evening.

06:59:56 assbot: Logged on 03-06-2015 04:56:21; Landgull: And the government is owned by the US here, but the government here doesn't have any actual power.

07:01:20 Landgull: Meh - fair point, but I mean they have very limited ability to screw with people who are just trying to live their lives.

07:01:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5257 @ 0.00033911 = 1.7827 BTC [-]

07:02:00 mircea_popescu: you confuse two unrelated things. thieves do not steal the brickwork but leave it behind for similar reasons.

07:02:14 mircea_popescu: apparently, it's because they have very limited ability to screw with stuff.

07:02:26 mircea_popescu: but on tyhe other hand, make the bricks out of solid gold and see.

07:02:53 Landgull: Sure, if the Ukrainians had anything to steal, the government would rapidly begin to steal it. But right now it's more profitable for them to steal from the USG.

07:03:40 mircea_popescu: you see where this is going ?

07:04:05 Landgull: Sure. And my response is that I expect to dry my laundry on a clothesline until fiat is dead.

07:04:53 mircea_popescu: i once knew a guy who deigned to pick up the phone half the time when desperate hot women were calling to beg him to let them come over for a spell.

07:05:07 mircea_popescu: obviously, this doesn't work for everybody.

07:05:18 mircea_popescu: but mayhap it'll work for your clothesline

07:05:36 Landgull: But I still prefer people who steal from you because they're just stealing from you and they want your stuff to people who steal for you and ask you to say it's for your own good.

07:05:54 Landgull: The Ukie lot only try to steal your stuff, they don't bother trying to rape your mind.

07:05:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28451 @ 0.00033844 = 9.629 BTC [-]

07:06:10 Landgull: steal from you, rather*

07:07:25 mircea_popescu: arguably they do the same thing, with the means their limited intellect allows them to try and employ. or to quote :

07:09:28 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> you confuse two unrelated things. thieves do not steal the brickwork but leave it behind for similar reasons. << And this is the warning flag Ferguson is a special failure. Theives steal the bricks.

07:09:37 mircea_popescu: "Orangutans are among the most forceful of mammals. Bornean orangutans (Pongo pygmaeus) exhibited aggression in almost 90 percent of their copulations, including when the females were not resisting. A possible explanation for aggressive behaviors in primates is that it is a way for males to train females to be afraid of them and be more likely to surrender to future sexual advances."

07:09:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5618 @ 0.00033911 = 1.9051 BTC [+]

07:12:03 Landgull: Sure, but having grown up in the US, the buttons that were implanted in me can still be pushed by their propaganda.

07:12:05 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152686 << in this he has a point. the thirld world derps are comically incompetent to a degree perhaps best typified by that kidnapped columbian general in charge of supressing farc last year.

07:12:05 assbot: Logged on 03-06-2015 05:10:49; Landgull: Plus, as I said, the USgov owns the UAgov, but unlike the US where the government really effects your life, the government here is a mass of incompetent bureaucracy without any serious ability to organize anything.

07:12:34 mircea_popescu: the bar to effectual interdiction can be as low as a dozen armed trained hands.

07:13:38 mircea_popescu: so yes it is much cheaper, in the sense that if you're cheap it's cheaper and if not it can't be done.

07:14:08 Landgull: There's not really anywhere safe to go with assets, including btc, though it beats most of the alternatives.

07:14:08 mircea_popescu: much like the flea market works. cheapest half-and-half to be had in the lands, but you won't get any pornstar poon there.

07:14:15 BingoBoingo: From what I've read Sinaloa's fortunes have taken a turn for the worse since their USG connections at the top were revealed

07:14:31 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo interesting how that works huh.

07:14:53 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Truly.

07:16:16 BingoBoingo: Meanwhile Los Zetas and the other non-USG cartel have their Eric Holder weapons somewhere...

07:16:16 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152697 << wut was that ?

07:16:16 assbot: Logged on 03-06-2015 05:13:08; BingoBoingo: http://pastebin.com/B1t1i1nx << WHo was in charge of gossipd???

07:16:35 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Freenode banned #fatpeoplehate

07:16:53 mircea_popescu: heh

07:17:30 BingoBoingo: Imagine that though. An actual social justice cause organized on Freenode and B&

07:18:10 mircea_popescu: why don't they go to 8chan instead.

07:18:27 BingoBoingo: Their core is still on Reddit

07:18:41 BingoBoingo: Their IRC is a sideshow

07:19:18 mircea_popescu: they also sound pretty retarded.

07:19:39 BingoBoingo: Happens with any broadly inclusive cause

07:19:40 mircea_popescu: overeager young males with significant socialisation deficit.

07:19:44 mircea_popescu: i guess.

07:20:45 BingoBoingo: But on reddit they are nearly as popular as Bitcoin to within 2%

07:21:07 mircea_popescu: lol mkay

07:21:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00034844 = 3.1011 BTC [+]

07:21:22 mircea_popescu: and bottlecaps are more popular than sex.

07:22:03 mircea_popescu: "Thin privilege is uploading a picture of yourself that takes under 1 minute to render"

07:22:05 mircea_popescu: lmao

07:23:26 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You have to understand since you left 'Murica it has only gotten heavier

07:23:33 chetty: thin privilege? thats a parody I hope ...

07:23:48 mircea_popescu: chetty your hopes are misplaced!

07:23:57 BingoBoingo: chetty: We can wish, but reality...

07:24:31 BingoBoingo: Orcs are always going to bitch about Elf priviledge

07:24:50 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152707 << check out alf hating on teh ukrs.

07:24:50 assbot: Logged on 03-06-2015 05:16:13; asciilifeform: Landgull: if they had learned to manufacture so much as an alarm clock, much less airplane or nuke, they would be somewhere on the road to where 'independence' is thinkable outside of a lunatic asylum

07:25:25 *: punkman just saw two of the largest landwhales I've seen in a while... in one of those tiny Smart cars

07:26:29 Landgull: Mircea: out of curiosity, wouldn't Romania be culturally closer to Ukraine than to the USA? I'm curious which of the two you would prefer to live in (or, for that matter, if there's a place that's better in your mind.)

07:26:34 punkman: I don't know why fat people would buy that car, they didn't look comfortable at all.

07:26:52 *: BingoBoingo hates Walmart's move to supercenter's last decade because it cemented scooty puff culture as a mainstream thing

07:27:36 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152726 << no, actually, this is factual. "small russians".

07:27:36 assbot: Logged on 03-06-2015 05:21:16; decimation: the idea that western ukraine exists as a separate race or language is hilarious

07:28:31 mircea_popescu: Landgull romania is culturally close to things that no longer exist, not have existed for a long time. romanian is the closest thing to spoken latin still left around.

07:29:06 mircea_popescu: i'll take ukrainian girls and usian machinery as it used to be and bid both let me be.

07:29:41 Landgull: Sure, but given that we're still in meatspace, one does have to pick a corner of it, or at least a corner at any given time.

07:31:08 mircea_popescu: aha

07:32:45 mircea_popescu: in other lulz, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_talk:Kuban

07:33:56 Landgull: I think the rise of the nation state has caused people to think that there are supposed to be hard lines between ethnicities and cultures.

07:34:07 mircea_popescu: or vice-versa.

07:35:22 Landgull: If a state of affairs is highly profitable for a minority at the expense of a majority, and is maintained via force, I tend to think it's not entirely self-organizing.

07:35:41 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152740 << fun fact : the hutu massacre has its origins in the fact that belgian missionaries selectively raped gracile, lighter skinned girls for a century

07:35:41 assbot: Logged on 03-06-2015 05:27:03; asciilifeform: rather than the anglo-created zoos they are

07:35:59 mircea_popescu: which created, actually did create, an ethnic subset, with its own fenotypical and cultural particularities

07:36:01 mircea_popescu: which got... reclaimed.

07:36:37 mircea_popescu: Landgull as you age you'll notice that organizing anything is too much effort for most minorities, and in general what they do is try to ride waves, like flies plowing.

07:37:15 mircea_popescu: a minority that actually organises its ascendancy over any majority is the supreme good.

07:38:58 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152767 << he just does :D

07:38:58 assbot: Logged on 03-06-2015 05:32:11; mats: why would you think that

07:39:05 Landgull: So I take it you're a fan of the Assad government, then? Or the House of Saud?

07:40:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14650 @ 0.00034593 = 5.0679 BTC [-] {3}

07:43:22 mircea_popescu: me ? nope.

07:43:25 Landgull: Both minority groups that organized their way to power by becoming useful as puppets to larger entities (RU and USA, respectively.) Arguably better than the mob that is trying to seize power, but then, that mob is mostly backed by the respective large entities anyway.

07:43:59 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152762 << this recipe, if taken voluntarily and out of a love of freedom, leads to pashtunistan. a great place to make actual friends, a horrible place to live. or get laid.

07:43:59 assbot: Logged on 03-06-2015 05:31:22; Landgull: Ascii: a kalashnikov in the hands of every resident would achieve the same thing.

07:44:08 mircea_popescu: if taken up centrally directedly, it's north korea.

07:44:34 mircea_popescu: Landgull where you got the idea that the saudites came to power serving the us ?

07:44:54 Landgull: It's how they've solidified and maintained it.

07:45:09 mircea_popescu: ...

07:45:19 mircea_popescu: next you're gonna tell me the us exists by serving tenochtitlan

07:45:58 Landgull: So, what is Saudi oil priced in nowadays?

07:46:11 mircea_popescu: historically, saudi kingdom was well established and independent back when wolves ate more people on the us east coast than people killed wolves. politically, the us has ~alkways~ been the bitch in the us-saudi relationship.

07:46:32 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> next you're gonna tell me the us exists by serving tenochtitlan << Eric Holder's ATF did...

07:46:42 mircea_popescu: you figure if al pacino makes a movie for new line cinema, nlc is doing HIM a favour by this ?

07:47:19 Landgull: That only solidifies the argument that the House of Saud is a minority that came to power by will rather than by riding a wave.

07:47:53 mircea_popescu: i don't see it.

07:48:07 mircea_popescu: just, much larger waves in this world than the us.

07:48:22 mircea_popescu: the golden crescent has its own centrifugal dynamics, what.

07:48:32 BingoBoingo: Hell in Arabi Wahabism is bgger than USia as ISIL demonstrates

07:49:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27613 @ 0.00034847 = 9.6223 BTC [+] {2}

07:50:12 mircea_popescu: http://rt.com/news/155364-ukraine-nazi-division-march/ << the 2nd historical chick brigade...

07:51:34 Landgull: If one recognizes the value of some asset, such as oil, and uses it to its fullest benefit to gain power, I'd find it hard to successfully argue that it's not a group coming to power by organizing its ascendency.

07:51:57 mircea_popescu: except this situation only exists in sid meyer's "civilisation"

07:52:12 BingoBoingo: And exists best in the sequel

07:53:41 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152784 << welcome to the 101th state lol.

07:53:41 assbot: Logged on 03-06-2015 05:35:14; mats: fun fact: an untrusted process can invoke ACPI control methods with arbitrary arguments.

07:54:58 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152794 << ok, now you're being plain mean. if there's a broad group of women that are upright in that sense, it'd be the ukrs.

07:54:58 assbot: Logged on 03-06-2015 05:37:26; asciilifeform: Landgull: get back to us re: the girls once you have $0

07:55:26 Landgull: But what I mean is this: your argument is a non-form because the goal posts can always be shifted. If they have a strategic advantage of any sort, it can be claimed as a wave. Some strategic advantage will always exist. So the only way a minority can organize against a majority without "just riding a wave" is if they ignore all of their strategic advantages - which would make your supreme good exceedingly foolish. It's like say

07:56:56 BingoBoingo: Dude's resigning https://bitbet.us/bet/1154/fifa-president-sepp-blatter-out-of-office-in/

07:57:57 mircea_popescu: Landgull there's no hard and fast requirement that what happens is perceptible. this in the general. there's also no requirement that what is perceptible is perceptible to you (ie, any arbitrary agent). the expectation that you personally would understand what happened in x or y complex political situation is, to me, highly comedic.

07:57:57 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo that was fast.

07:57:57 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yeah, he press conferenced it.

07:58:22 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152809 << you're married, aren't ya ? what guarantees.

07:58:22 assbot: Logged on 03-06-2015 05:42:05; decimation: Landgull: seems like a high price to pay in terms of years of your life for very thin guarantees

07:59:00 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152819 << ahahaha i nearly fell over.

07:59:00 assbot: Logged on 03-06-2015 05:47:08; Landgull: I'd rather there were a safe, sane, stable country where I could go, build a business, and have a normal life, but that's not going to exist until btc finishes what it has started.

07:59:04 mircea_popescu: go, build business.

07:59:14 mircea_popescu: ah such lolg.

08:00:04 BingoBoingo: !b 1

08:00:05 assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/320HM4T.txt )

08:01:05 Landgull: Even if the cause is imperceptible, without some skill of maintenance everything crumbles in time. Which book is a best seller today is likely random and inscrutable, no book would be read 1,000 years after being written without skill.

08:01:59 mircea_popescu: except very good books are lost and very bad books still read.

08:02:37 Landgull: Sure, but if we were to be forced to place a bet on what would be read 1,000 years from now, my bet would go towards the good.

08:02:45 mircea_popescu: whose good ?

08:03:25 BingoBoingo: brb, naps

08:03:28 Landgull: Yours.

08:04:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41150 @ 0.00033483 = 13.7783 BTC [-] {4}

08:04:26 mircea_popescu: forget the thousand, take the hundred. lazar meir, since we've discussed him earlier, had some very strange ideas about good, and constructed a very crazy united states. forcing a point it could be said that he is the architect of today's woes in the hinterlands, exactly like lincoln is the architect of the black poverty and racial tensions.

08:04:45 mircea_popescu: so now... nobody would have disagreed at the time that his madonna whore complex is "wholesome" - their exact words.

08:05:03 mircea_popescu: i struggle to find any value in any of his productions, and you certainly don't even know what they are.

08:05:08 mircea_popescu: it's been... 70 years.

08:06:03 mircea_popescu: meanwhile le chien andalou still stands, or to quote herr orwell... "Clearly, such people are undesirable, and a society in which they can flourish has something wrong with it."

08:06:42 Landgull: Since you're right that I don't know who he is, I can't respond to that argument.

08:06:55 Landgull: I do hate Lincoln more than any other US president, though.

08:09:20 Landgull: Thank you for the debate - I concede the point and I'm off to run errands. I am, however, still waiting for someone to claim and argue for their corner of meatspace, instead of against mine (of the moment.)

08:28:01 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152462 <<< catching chickens yet or what?

08:28:01 assbot: Logged on 03-06-2015 03:39:14; BingoBoingo: In other news, training to get into shape for boxing training is progressing nicely. 80 pushups yesterday... May be able to try a boxing gym next year. Would be nice if I could line it up with USian exodus

08:28:39 cazalla: if you can catch chickens, you can catch greased lightning

08:35:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21350 @ 0.00032729 = 6.9876 BTC [-] {2}

09:47:29 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152845 <<< i dunno man, whoever heard of tomatoes going bad after 2 days? (and i grow em every summer) maybe some chernobyl variety?

09:47:29 assbot: Logged on 03-06-2015 06:04:14; Landgull: The reason tomatoes are pink instead of red is they're heterozygous for RIN, or ripening-inhibition gene to make them ship better.

09:47:47 cazalla: oops wrong one http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152848

09:47:47 assbot: Logged on 03-06-2015 06:05:18; Landgull: Well, they're still firm, because they're fresh. But you have to go to the market every day or two because the food goes bad quickly.

10:01:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26728 @ 0.0003487 = 9.3201 BTC [+]

10:02:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7996 @ 0.0003491 = 2.7914 BTC [+]

10:06:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33650 @ 0.00034564 = 11.6308 BTC [-] {2}

10:23:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41219 @ 0.00034853 = 14.3661 BTC [+] {3}

10:44:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62200 @ 0.00033606 = 20.9029 BTC [-] {3}

11:29:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78850 @ 0.00034012 = 26.8185 BTC [+] {2}

11:36:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32700 @ 0.00033157 = 10.8423 BTC [-] {2}

11:51:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20800 @ 0.00034773 = 7.2328 BTC [+] {4}

12:06:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5139 @ 0.00032436 = 1.6669 BTC [-] {2}

12:15:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6296 @ 0.00033076 = 2.0825 BTC [+]

12:18:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18204 @ 0.00033076 = 6.0212 BTC [+]

12:31:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.00032426 = 3.8911 BTC [-]

12:38:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.0003248 = 4.8395 BTC [+]

13:22:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27600 @ 0.00032426 = 8.9496 BTC [-]

13:27:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.0003246 = 4.3821 BTC [+]

13:44:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32770 @ 0.00032479 = 10.6434 BTC [+] {2}

13:48:37 mats: fun fact: creators of the BLE spec published it with known vulnerabilities, e.g: "None of the pairing methods provide protection against a passive eavedropper during the pairing process as predictable or easily established values for TK are used." (BLE Core 4.0, Vol.3, p604)

13:51:43 jurov: BLE: Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers: BLE: Bilingual Education: BLE: Branch If Less or Equal: BLE: Bulletin de Littérature Ecclésiastique (French: Bulletin of Ecclesiastical Literature)

13:51:49 jurov: ?

13:52:32 jurov: oh, prolly bluetooth stuff

13:52:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9450 @ 0.0003248 = 3.0694 BTC [+]

13:56:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25900 @ 0.0003248 = 8.4123 BTC [+]

13:57:44 mats: Bluetooth Low Energy

14:25:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22800 @ 0.00032496 = 7.4091 BTC [+] {2}

14:35:37 lobbes: thanks for dropping this in the logs, alf: http://doc.sagemath.org/html/en/thematic_tutorials/numtheory_rsa.html

14:36:37 lobbes: I'm finding it quite useful for understanding rsa fundamentals

14:47:58 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

14:48:02 BingoBoingo: !up cosmo

15:01:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36414 @ 0.00034158 = 12.4383 BTC [+] {2}

15:02:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11086 @ 0.00034346 = 3.8076 BTC [+]

15:04:47 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152859 << wait till they offer hardware accelerators (sold to usg catamites only, naturally)

15:04:47 assbot: Logged on 03-06-2015 06:12:05; mircea_popescu: in sadder news, a reasonably recent 8 core server is doing block verification at the rate of 28 seconds per.

15:04:50 hanbot: !uo cosmo

15:05:08 hanbot: kramer?

15:05:11 hanbot: !up cosmo

15:05:34 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152896 << greeks had culture

15:05:34 assbot: Logged on 03-06-2015 06:40:02; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152507 << amusingly, the best pay for teaching greek was after the city collapsed

15:07:36 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1153001 << what happened here

15:07:36 assbot: Logged on 03-06-2015 07:32:45; mircea_popescu: in other lulz, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_talk:Kuban

15:08:54 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1153062 << what ideas did he have, other than liking the smell of money ?

15:08:54 assbot: Logged on 03-06-2015 08:04:26; mircea_popescu: forget the thousand, take the hundred. lazar meir, since we've discussed him earlier, had some very strange ideas about good, and constructed a very crazy united states. forcing a point it could be said that he is the architect of today's woes in the hinterlands, exactly like lincoln is the architect of the black poverty and racial tensions.

15:10:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29617 @ 0.00033335 = 9.8728 BTC [-]

15:10:33 hanbot: cazalla, things go bad in the tropics like you wouldn't believe. i am half surprised to find dry folded clothes still there a few days later.

15:18:48 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

15:20:59 scoopbot_revived: Dotcom Scores Victory Against Forfeiture in New Zealand Court http://qntra.net/2015/06/dotcom-scores-victory-against-forfeiture-in-new-zealand-court/

15:26:08 ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: i didn't opt into the US legal regime either

15:26:29 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Your parents did that for you.

15:27:14 ben_vulpes: today in fiatderping news

15:27:24 ben_vulpes: i am opening a "health savings account"

15:27:41 ben_vulpes: they want me to scan in my passport and upload it to their secure portal.

15:27:44 ben_vulpes: MHM SURE.

15:28:14 BingoBoingo: lol

15:28:21 ben_vulpes: just take the magic digits that identify me as a ("loyal") subject of the crown

15:32:50 BingoBoingo: https://imgur.com/gallery/9CAfo

15:35:59 ascii_field: BingoBoingo: what was this

15:36:18 BingoBoingo: ascii_field: The FBI's plane flying in circle company

15:36:24 ascii_field: l0l

15:36:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15250 @ 0.00033107 = 5.0488 BTC [-]

15:37:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27000 @ 0.00033964 = 9.1703 BTC [+] {2}

15:42:28 *: BingoBoingo surprised they didn't call it "Circle" but they wasted that name on financial surveillance

15:42:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5550 @ 0.00033801 = 1.876 BTC [-]

15:43:22 punkman: heh

15:49:20 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

15:56:15 mod6: Update: v0.5.3.1-RELEASE + patches { Orphanage Thermonuke } + { TX Orphange Amputation } is up to block: 344679

15:56:53 mod6: Also, eulora v0.1.0 running in ubuntu 14.04 :]

15:57:10 mod6: Thanks to chetty & jurov!

16:02:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14359 @ 0.00034024 = 4.8855 BTC [+]

16:06:44 BingoBoingo: !up liquidassets

16:07:38 liquidassets: Looks like coinbase is starting to make their fork from bitcoin

16:08:01 BingoBoingo: Oh?

16:08:08 shinohai: Are they switching to XT ?

16:08:14 liquidassets: received an email today that they have decided to sever our banking relationship

16:08:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36600 @ 0.00034909 = 12.7767 BTC [+] {4}

16:08:54 liquidassets: They're definitely starting to get nervous as investment demand grows

16:12:06 jurov: how is that related to btc fork?

16:12:37 liquidassets: it's inevitable

16:13:10 liquidassets: \they're going to be payment processors for their merchants and consumers

16:13:37 liquidassets: they're not going to provide liquidity for the investment crowd

16:16:22 liquidassets: it seems I've lost my ability to easily turn btc into cash. Not that I didn't anticipate this eventually happening

16:16:23 scoopbot_revived: NYDFS Announces Final Bitlicense Rules http://qntra.net/2015/06/nydfs-announces-final-bitlicense-rules/

16:17:42 danielpbarron: oh, i was gonna ask what kind of customer you are to them

16:17:49 danielpbarron: you're doing the opposite thing i'm doing

16:17:59 liquidassets: Sure of course

16:18:05 liquidassets: so I"m pretty careful by nature

16:18:23 danielpbarron: i have no trouble selling bitcoin for USD; i need coinbase to easily get bitcoin

16:18:47 liquidassets: I buy my btc through them

16:18:56 liquidassets: as I have slowly since Nov. 2013

16:19:15 danielpbarron: ah, then my termination email is probably on its way as well :/

16:19:21 danielpbarron: i hope they at least finish my pending stuff

16:19:25 liquidassets: once I learned how to set up my own wallets I started taking them back

16:19:53 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

16:20:10 liquidassets: sometimes I buy a few small things using their interface like a trezor or mycelium entropy

16:20:32 liquidassets: made a larger sized investment recently, which seems to have triggered it

16:20:48 liquidassets: pulled about $20K bezzlebucks from ameritrade account

16:21:19 danielpbarron: oh phew, that's more than I've done total probably

16:21:20 ascii_field: l0l, rich people problems

16:21:29 liquidassets: transferred to my coinbase account and bought about 80 btc

16:21:57 danielpbarron: did you get the 80 coins?

16:22:13 liquidassets: they're still sitting there in my "vault"

16:22:20 danielpbarron: what does that mean

16:22:25 danielpbarron: do you have the private key or not

16:22:28 liquidassets: I wanted to come here and tell you guys, also updated my twitter

16:22:39 mats: lol

16:22:47 mats: do go on

16:22:51 liquidassets: No i don't have my private keys from coinbase

16:22:59 danielpbarron: oh then you didn't get it yet :/

16:23:07 danielpbarron: withdraw!

16:24:10 liquidassets: that's what she said...yes sir

16:24:22 ascii_field: why would anyone let btc sit in a 'gox' for a millisecond longer than necessary ?

16:25:59 lobbes: ^ I get paranoid with .25 sitting somewhere outside my control, can't imagine 80 BTC O.o

16:26:04 mike_c: I used to use it as a hot wallet. keep a bit there for access from anywhere. never more than i was willing to lose

16:31:33 mats: that was so much better than i expected

16:32:37 jurov: looks like imma put hefty premium on my btc dealings with americans :D

16:33:50 liquidassets: that sux, oh well

16:34:06 liquidassets: not like we're ground zero on this political fight

16:40:47 BingoBoingo: !up liquidassets

16:41:00 BingoBoingo: Of course, we're ground 3

16:41:14 BingoBoingo: Infinitely more grounds than zero

16:41:52 liquidassets: I guess I don't know what jurov means by that, I still have pride as an American

16:42:01 liquidassets: ground 3?

16:42:20 fluffypony: gay pride?

16:43:06 liquidassets: lol, sure fluffypony gay pride

16:44:03 liquidassets: what is a measure of a country? mircea_popescu around?

16:44:18 trinque: eh, it had a good run, but the golden age is long since past and was far too short

16:44:26 trinque: hm, nevermind, that's not even a good run

16:45:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25756 @ 0.00034149 = 8.7954 BTC [-]

16:48:02 jurov: heh i meant if it's so hard to get btc, set higher sell price

16:48:03 liquidassets: It was a Hollywood movie for sure

16:48:32 liquidassets: I could probably get btc no problem...plenty of ganja dealers trying to offload

16:49:45 liquidassets: It feels like now I"m dealing with drug dealers, whereas before I didn't have to

16:50:39 liquidassets: but then again, that is why I"m here...for the WoT

16:51:59 liquidassets: I'd still like to have a bank, but the WoT seems very powerful, unstopable.

16:52:20 liquidassets: ;;gettrust liquidassets

16:52:21 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user liquidassets to user liquidassets: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=liquidassets&dest=liquidassets | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=liquidassets | Rated since: never

16:52:27 lobbes: !gettrust liquidassets

16:52:27 assbot: Trust relationship from user lobbes to user liquidassets: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=lobbes&to=liquidassets | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/liquidassets/

16:52:40 liquidassets: !h

16:52:40 assbot: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot

16:52:52 mats: you should walk away if the other person indicates criminal intent

16:53:32 mats: generally, anyway.

16:53:46 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

16:54:20 liquidassets: Ha! how would they indicate? not if they're a very good drug dealer

16:54:35 ascii_field: liquidassets: traditional usg entrapment op

16:54:48 liquidassets: exactly, unsavory

16:55:08 liquidassets: thing is, as it stands, I have to outright AVOID it

16:55:50 liquidassets: everyday I play this, I know that you know that I know that you know bullshit

16:59:44 liquidassets: this entire area's economy, where I'm at, mostly has been sustained through lots of liquidtide with bleach

17:01:57 liquidassets: !UP liquidassets

17:03:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 105 @ 0.0162 = 1.701 BTC [+]

17:05:48 thestringpuller: !t h rent

17:05:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.01620000 / 0.0162 / 0.01620000 (125 shares, 2.02500000 BTC), 7D: 0.01450002 / 0.01570442 / 0.01699900 (448 shares, 7.03558160 BTC), 30D: 0.01450002 / 0.01630866 / 0.01700000 (1298 shares, 21.16864560 BTC)

17:13:18 danielpbarron: !up liquidassets weird that you get your bitcoin *from* the drug dealers and not the other way around

17:13:42 danielpbarron: that means their customers are paying in bitcoin? I know the typical drug user and they don't have any bitcoin

17:14:15 danielpbarron: makes more sense that the dealers want to *get* the bitcoin as a way to deal with some of their undocumented wealth

17:14:16 liquidassets: I've ONLY got my bitcoin from Coinbase and maybe a few hundred thousand satoshi from mycelium deals

17:14:46 ascii_field: mycelium deals ?

17:15:01 liquidassets: danielpbarron it was a unique situation here where there were a few dealers who were holding lots of btc from sr

17:15:12 danielpbarron: and you met them in person.. ??

17:15:31 liquidassets: No someone from my meat wot

17:15:38 chetty: fyi, 3 people online at eulora :)

17:15:51 liquidassets: ascii_field have you seen the mycelium app?

17:16:18 ascii_field: !s mycelium

17:16:19 assbot: 65 results for 'mycelium' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=mycelium

17:16:32 liquidassets: it allows you to trade in person. You can post ads whether you're interested in buying or selling btc

17:16:40 danielpbarron: isn't it like the uber of bitcoin trading?

17:17:01 liquidassets: what mycellium danielpbarron?

17:17:05 danielpbarron: yeh

17:17:18 danielpbarron: iphone app where anyone can be an exchange

17:17:48 liquidassets: I suppose it is for me now

17:18:13 danielpbarron: i wouldn't deal with anyone outside my WoT at this point

17:18:31 liquidassets: which is fine, I don't sell much of any btc anyway, but investment creates liquidity and liquidity creates value

17:19:03 liquidassets: I have no WoT lol

17:19:08 liquidassets: ;;gettrust liquidassets

17:19:09 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user liquidassets to user liquidassets: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=liquidassets&dest=liquidassets | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=liquidassets | Rated since: never

17:19:15 chetty: you are here ----

17:19:39 chetty: hang around, participate :)

17:19:42 danielpbarron: i don't mean strictly limited to what assbot tracks

17:19:43 ascii_field: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/317tys/psa_warning_mycelium_for_ios_read << l0l, loses wallets ?

17:20:43 danielpbarron: although there is some overlap

17:20:43 liquidassets: danielpbarron have you read gpg contracts? fascinating

17:20:43 danielpbarron: yes

17:20:43 danielpbarron: i use them all the time

17:22:07 liquidassets: chetty 7 months in :) reading logs, happy to be here

17:25:07 liquidassets: danielpbarron It seems I'm only in a position to lead, there are no equals around me to be in my WoT, maybe 1 or 2 people tops

17:25:11 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

17:25:52 liquidassets: danielpbarron as far as I'm aware there is assbot and there is meatwot, am I missing others?

17:25:57 shinohai: Don't feel bad liquidassets, I haz none either :/

17:26:36 shinohai: ;;gettrust shinohai

17:26:37 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user shinohai to user shinohai: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=shinohai&dest=shinohai | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=shinohai | Rated since: Tue Apr 7 10:13:45 2015

17:27:10 liquidassets: shinohai https://youtu.be/22QYriWAF-U

17:28:10 danielpbarron: it's !gettrust

17:28:10 shinohai: lol

17:28:10 danielpbarron: gribble is yet another WoT

17:28:10 trinque: nobody gives out "new blood" anymore?

17:28:10 shinohai: Oh i know, I was calling to gribble, forgot to clarify xD

17:28:10 trinque: liquidassets: shinohai: register keys

17:28:14 danielpbarron: they did

17:28:18 danielpbarron: i rated shinohai

17:28:21 trinque: ah, cool

17:28:22 shinohai: !gettrust

17:28:22 assbot: You need to specify one (or two) nicks.

17:28:32 shinohai: Yeah danielpbarron rated me

17:28:33 liquidassets: they should be there trinque

17:29:12 trinque: !gettrust liquidassets

17:29:12 assbot: Trust relationship from user trinque to user liquidassets: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=trinque&to=liquidassets | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/liquidassets/

17:29:34 trinque: !rate liquidassets 1 new blood

17:29:34 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/ef4a5033cfcff767

17:30:03 trinque: !v assbot:trinque.rate.liquidassets.1:7547f5e26af005e8111840cb2aab25507ef2ee4017db44416f952643d0242f6c

17:30:04 assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for liquidassets with note: new blood

17:30:06 liquidassets: been waiting for that, thanks trinque

17:30:08 danielpbarron: heh

17:30:13 trinque: easy come easy go, as they say

17:30:34 liquidassets: ha hay, ok I'll remember that

17:30:48 shinohai: So who was it that had those mp cult t-shirts

17:34:33 ascii_field: http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/288C257808D1EDC5CC8AEDE447AF8D1DB224D1C23F309C2A7E06D46F7E6B087F

17:35:33 mircea_popescu: another 29 huh.

17:35:40 mircea_popescu: you really should poison the P with first 10k primes or something.

17:35:51 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: thought about doing that

17:35:53 ascii_field: not hard

17:35:58 mircea_popescu: indeed.

17:36:00 ascii_field: it'll be in the next update.

17:36:16 mircea_popescu: kinda what my "universal keys" idea was trying to do, for "well chosen" so to speak small primes.

17:36:27 mircea_popescu: but really there's no excuse not to have the small ones in.

17:36:32 ascii_field: also interesting would be last 10,000 primes.

17:36:46 ascii_field: (within 2^2048 bound, say)

17:36:49 mircea_popescu: which incidentally is not THAT hard to compute

17:36:54 ascii_field: aha

17:37:35 mircea_popescu: ascii_field listen, can you add a json for the stats which outputs url of newest found pore ?

17:37:43 mircea_popescu: then we can get will dunne to add it to scoopbot.

17:37:49 ascii_field: hm good idea

17:37:59 *: ascii_field will have to actually look up how this works

17:38:34 ascii_field: this is literally the only working www gizmo i ever wrote

17:38:48 trinque: heh! lucky you

17:39:07 mircea_popescu: trinque i read his stuff for curiosity, i was so wtf'd. "this doesn't look like www code..."

17:39:30 trinque: better if he doesn't absorb the braindamage

17:39:37 ascii_field: it was written in great haste, and a little crufty, yes

17:39:47 ascii_field: could easily be half as long

17:40:01 trinque: I'm busy crafting a shit-spelunking suit out of parenscript for future web endeavors

17:40:27 mircea_popescu: my mental notes were more on the lines of "o look, it's clear that the author understands what his code does" and "o look, there's actually a reason for this stuff to be here"

17:41:16 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: what else have you been reading, for contrast? winblows src ?

17:41:49 trinque: mircea_popescu: yes, most web code looks like a venezuelan shanty town, parts scrounged from all over, haphazardly bolted or taped in

17:42:16 mircea_popescu: ascii_field ^

17:42:55 trinque: I'm convinced 99% of the industry does not actually know how to code

17:42:56 BingoBoingo: And that is the beter web code

17:43:04 trinque: just knows how to stack overflow and pip install

17:43:04 mircea_popescu: "it works" "can you explain why or how ?" "above my pay grade, i just paste stuff and hit f9"

17:43:15 ascii_field: ah, those.

17:43:23 *: ascii_field has very limited direct exposure to those

17:43:23 ben_vulpes: ˘source of what?

17:43:43 mircea_popescu: we complain about the meagre attempts at natural language shanonizing , but what of the poor computers ?

17:43:47 ben_vulpes: oh le scoop?

17:45:14 mircea_popescu: hm ?

17:46:00 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1153108 << atm what they're offering is "software updates" that "speed it up" by... not doing it anymore.

17:46:00 assbot: Logged on 03-06-2015 15:04:47; ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152859 << wait till they offer hardware accelerators (sold to usg catamites only, naturally)

17:46:03 mircea_popescu: very usglike.

17:46:35 mircea_popescu: "increase your verification speed tenfold by only checking one block in ten!!1 how to make money renting out the space inside your nose!" etc

17:47:47 ascii_field: ahahaha headers-only sync

17:48:38 ascii_field: for some reason i inescapably think of those chinese thumb drives with terabytes of space (how? just loops around a 128M thing)

17:48:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27500 @ 0.00035049 = 9.6385 BTC [-]

17:48:51 mircea_popescu: the "after block x only sync because gavin has said magics about block x" is NOT much better.

17:49:02 mircea_popescu: it's just a rougher implementation of the "verify 1 in x" concept.

17:50:35 mircea_popescu: and i will note that the 28 seconds figure is merely an average - plenty of blocks actually do take minutes to check.

17:50:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3963 @ 0.00035106 = 1.3913 BTC [+]

17:50:53 mircea_popescu: for that matter, a maximal 1MB block should be designed and tested against on a variety of systems just to see.

17:51:47 mircea_popescu: but i suspect that common hardware takes well over two minutes to verify a 1mb block full of txn, which is to say 1500 or so of them.

17:52:16 ascii_field: one more reason to bake the thing into hardware

17:52:32 mircea_popescu: (if you do the math, 100 ms for a full bitcoin sig check thing is about where it is)

17:53:01 ascii_field: btw, sig-checking parallelizes

17:53:02 mircea_popescu: ascii_field baking the thing into the hardware is exactly equal to import usg.h

17:53:08 ascii_field: (not in the idiot bitcoind, no. but mathematically)

17:53:23 mircea_popescu: ascii_field yes, but this is the most delicate part of the chicken's spleen.

17:53:44 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: ecdsa in particular ?

17:53:55 mircea_popescu: just, doing it without fucking anything up.

17:54:21 *: ascii_field doesn't grasp why mircea_popescu thinks this to be hard

17:54:27 mircea_popescu: worst case scenario here being where you get it 99.9999% right, and then everyone thinks you got it,

17:54:37 mircea_popescu: and then two yerars later 0.00001% happens and the chain is split.

17:55:37 ascii_field: as if we had anything like certainty that the chain is not splittable -now-

17:55:51 ascii_field: between 0.5.3 and 0.8+ say

17:55:51 mircea_popescu: we have five year's live testing :D

17:56:16 ben_vulpes: i don't think further splits are avoidable

17:56:19 mircea_popescu: eh, 0.8+ is the kindergarten. if it splits the total loss is ~= two fatties and a stray dog.

17:56:58 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the idea is to try and avoid splits in the actual codebase.

17:58:37 ben_vulpes: (unrelated: http://www.vox.com/2015/6/3/8706323/college-professor-afraid)

17:59:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00035337 = 5.2299 BTC [+]

17:59:37 ben_vulpes: (communisticism!)

17:59:37 ben_vulpes: i too miss titlebot

17:59:46 ben_vulpes: it provided a nice indexing of links

17:59:51 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

18:00:05 ascii_field: ben_vulpes: where did it go? somehow i missed this

18:00:36 ben_vulpes: kakobrekla and williamdunne had a slapfight over titles

18:00:41 ben_vulpes: kako turned them off

18:00:55 ascii_field: why?!

18:01:23 mircea_popescu: "This isn't an accident: I have intentionally adjusted my teaching materials as the political winds have shifted. (I also make sure all my remotely offensive or challenging opinions, such as this article, are expressed either anonymously or pseudonymously)."

18:01:24 ben_vulpes: ask him, not me.

18:01:29 punkman: iirc title proxy server died

18:01:40 mircea_popescu: lol ok. /me fails to manage to care, or summon any respect or interest, for the opinions of poltrons.

18:02:23 ben_vulpes: "All the old, enlightened means of discussion and analysis —from due process to scientific method — are dismissed as being blind to emotional concerns and therefore unfairly skewed toward the interest of straight white males."

18:02:29 mircea_popescu: yeh titlebot!

18:03:56 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes in particular i find this schmuck objectionable, and quite worthy of everything coming to him, because much like the thief who's not one bit sorry he stole, and terribly terribly sorry he got caught,

18:04:21 mircea_popescu: his objection entirely reduces to "hey libertards, wasn't it great back when we were opressing the conservatives, you know, those rednecks *rolleyes*

18:04:27 mircea_popescu: instead of now when we're fucking each other in the ass ???"

18:04:47 mircea_popescu: o yeah, totally worthy of intellectual sympathy this, trotksy raped by stalin's gonna get all my walmart cards.

18:06:14 BingoBoingo: !b 3

18:06:14 assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0SZ7EYJ.txt )

18:06:47 mircea_popescu: they didn't seem to care all that much about "discussion and analysis" or "due process" or "scientific method" back when those were pointing and laughing at their idiocy, from global warming to fad cures to the whole heap of dumb they live in. but now, suddenly... they wish to be saved by the icons of some sort of wisdom that they never had anything to do with, not anymore than the pigeons shitting on statues are part

18:06:48 mircea_popescu: of marbled antiquity at any rate.

18:07:52 mircea_popescu: the fate of the us libertard is ~exactly~ what it was going to be, except fifty years ago they laughed at "o that could never happen" with all the imberbity of idiocy, and today they're all "nobody could have foreseen"

18:08:14 mircea_popescu: i hope he gets fucking burned at the stake, for his guild - the greatest guilt that there can be - choosing to be a cog in the wrong machine.

18:08:32 mircea_popescu: hitler at least was wrong. this guy - he's the pinnacle of evil, unredeemable and unworthy of redemption.

18:14:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64550 @ 0.0003462 = 22.3472 BTC [-] {3}

18:19:33 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1153117 << that is a particularly inapt characterisation of the fellow.

18:19:33 assbot: Logged on 03-06-2015 15:08:54; ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1153062 << what ideas did he have, other than liking the smell of money ?

18:19:56 mircea_popescu: he was a congress poland jew, fully imbued of the entire "messiah will come if we garden the shit out of this world" stuff that resulted in the gassings

18:20:10 ascii_field: 'tikkun olam' (TM) ?

18:20:37 mircea_popescu: (yes dear chitlins, there is deep philosophical disagreement behind the entire jew massacre - it's not the conveniently packaged "acts of an unhinged mind". german idealism and jewish materialism clashed, and the jews lost.)

18:21:04 mircea_popescu: ascii_field the grandfather of that.

18:21:26 ascii_field: afaik that's what they actually called the doctrine

18:21:43 mircea_popescu: at any rate, the guy's notions of HOW EXACTLY one'd go about fixing the world are what's at issue. much like a large swath of reform retards - in both judaic sects, xtianity and mainstream - he was the mechanicist persuasion.

18:21:53 ascii_field: 'repair the world'

18:22:02 mircea_popescu: which is to say - do not swear, spit or ejaculate insite , go to heaven.

18:23:33 mircea_popescu: ascii_field you have to understand : the phrase as such is mostly used as a certain jew-libertard term of art.

18:23:49 mircea_popescu: it existed, with a slightly different intension, in medieval kabbalism

18:23:51 ascii_field: iirc it goes back to 16th c.

18:24:06 *: ascii_field not expert

18:24:08 mircea_popescu: but the concept that informs herr meir is one node up from the medievalist thing as noted

18:24:12 mircea_popescu: which is why i said "grandfather"

18:27:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53400 @ 0.00035338 = 18.8705 BTC [+] {2}

18:30:35 mircea_popescu: in any case, hollywood pre meyer is https://cinenthusiast.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/joan-blondell.jpg and the molls. post-meyer it's "angels with dirty faces" and "You're Andy Hardy! You're the United States! You're the Stars and Stripes. Behave yourself! You're a symbol!" and then everybody loves raymond and... "to our current period of time"

18:31:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10925 @ 0.00034493 = 3.7684 BTC [-] {2}

18:32:46 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

18:34:28 trinque: hm I'm starting to consider an in-wot paid IRC host

18:34:33 trinque: for those without bouncers

18:34:56 mircea_popescu: can't hurt.

18:36:20 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1153127 << what could possibru go wrong.

18:36:20 assbot: Logged on 03-06-2015 15:27:41; ben_vulpes: they want me to scan in my passport and upload it to their secure portal.

18:38:20 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1153149 < lol you had a banking relationship ?

18:38:20 assbot: Logged on 03-06-2015 16:08:14; liquidassets: received an email today that they have decided to sever our banking relationship

18:38:29 mircea_popescu: you being the bank, i presume ? as they... aren't ?

18:39:12 mike_c: my fking computer just died.. couple pops and started belching big smelly clouds of smoke.

18:39:15 liquidassets: I suppose in my own mind..?

18:39:19 mircea_popescu: ftr, i didn't follow the logic of that entire conversation.

18:39:27 mircea_popescu: mike_c what srsly ?

18:39:34 mike_c: yeah, never had that happen before.

18:39:41 mircea_popescu: 80% it's the power supply

18:39:43 mike_c: i guess the power supply went bad..

18:39:57 mircea_popescu: anyway, air that shit out. it's toxic.

18:40:01 mike_c: no visible damage to anything, so can't imagine it was a hard drive, and it was a lot of smoke

18:40:13 mike_c: really? great.

18:40:19 mircea_popescu: o shit, the old days when drives actually had mechanical failures of the mechanical sort.

18:40:28 mircea_popescu: like busted wheels. with dented casings and whatnot

18:40:47 mircea_popescu: if anyone wonders why the 20mb maxtors were encased in fucking steel armor... well...

18:40:51 liquidassets: If I buy my bitcoin from coinbase then it follows that they'll allow me to sell to them and deposit dollars into my bank account

18:41:12 kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1153368 < false, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=22-05-2015#1143760

18:41:12 assbot: Logged on 03-06-2015 18:00:41; ben_vulpes: kako turned them off

18:41:12 assbot: Logged on 22-05-2015 18:06:39; kakobrekla: thats cause mp/cp fucked up one of his servers

18:41:34 mircea_popescu: oh is this because when i had to move server ?

18:41:48 mircea_popescu: wouldja rather dig into fixing it or just have scoopbot do it kakobrekla ?

18:42:02 kakobrekla: moved server, broke log1, made log2 work then it went broken with varnish

18:43:02 kakobrekla: fix log1 and titles will work

18:43:24 mircea_popescu: hm.

18:43:39 mircea_popescu: how's the "Broken with varnish" thing go, i didn't actually keep that thing

18:44:04 thestringpuller: liquidassets: if you buy from coinbase you end up on like 5-6 different watch lists

18:44:20 thestringpuller: and if you sell to coinbase the local LE shows up at your door

18:44:40 liquidassets: I anticipated that, we all are as Americans

18:44:54 mircea_popescu: "fugitive disentitlement doctrine" ahahaha that's rich. incidentally - it's how england became a dutch colony, they "deemed the king to have abdicated by fleeing"

18:44:56 kakobrekla: well, "Apr 28 16:33:36 <mircea_popescu> yes varnishing brb"

18:45:00 liquidassets: that's fine, watch me, is my response

18:45:08 kakobrekla: that was while i was working on log1 and thats the last i heard from you.

18:45:46 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla oh i'm sorry. service was briefly interrupted because the fucking beast kept needing apache restarted. but i'm done fucking with it.

18:45:59 mircea_popescu: was done that same day, apparently failed to properly announce ?

18:46:03 liquidassets: Everything is sourced I'm not the one ML

18:46:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83982 @ 0.00035436 = 29.7599 BTC [+] {4}

18:47:04 liquidassets: mircea_popescu question directed at me?

18:47:24 mircea_popescu: nope.

18:47:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68661 @ 0.00035203 = 24.1707 BTC [-] {6}

18:49:01 kakobrekla: ill look into in a tad later.

18:49:27 liquidassets: thestringpuller I don't want to care about it anymore, I just want to document

18:51:13 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1153190 << poor guys.

18:51:13 assbot: Logged on 03-06-2015 16:32:37; jurov: looks like imma put hefty premium on my btc dealings with americans :D

18:51:30 mircea_popescu: like the soviets in the 80s, turks sold them all sorts of banal shit at 130-150% because ...

18:52:10 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1153200 << how exactly is the us "a country" ? is this from the obama "country of africa" doctrine ?

18:52:10 assbot: Logged on 03-06-2015 16:44:03; liquidassets: what is a measure of a country? mircea_popescu around?

18:53:36 liquidassets: I don't follow, is that a slight because his ancestry is closer to africa than yours, or are you arguing that he wasn't born in the United States?

18:54:02 mircea_popescu: i am saying that one should have to be about as clueless as obama to imagine the us a country. how is it a country ?

18:54:35 mircea_popescu: it's about as much a country as the soviet union would have been, if it were run by quisling.

18:55:06 liquidassets: I don't know, it FEELS like a country to me, has boarders, armies, laws etc..

18:55:16 mircea_popescu: aha. so maybe it's really a cock

18:55:21 mircea_popescu: it FEELS like a cock to plenty of people.

18:55:28 liquidassets: yea but who's cock?

18:55:39 mircea_popescu: africa's, apparently.

18:55:43 liquidassets: LOL

18:56:18 liquidassets: doubtful

18:56:46 liquidassets: so there are scales of countries? mircea_popescu

18:58:06 mircea_popescu: if you're gonna call something a country, you'd best have a definition of what that means. apparently your definition's all feeling, in which case... what's to say.

18:58:46 mircea_popescu: you can feel anything you feel like.

18:58:52 liquidassets: So please mircea_popescu define it for me

18:59:40 liquidassets: I mean it's where I was born, there's politics and rules which seem to change or evolve over time

19:00:03 liquidassets: there's the constitution and bill of rights, we have the dominate world reserve money supply

19:00:04 mircea_popescu: you mean, United States the Maternity Hospital, as in country ?

19:00:15 chetty: liquidassets, or lately its more like overnight

19:00:41 mircea_popescu: qhahaha what!

19:01:01 mircea_popescu: so wait, "we" do ? are you sure the people holding the money are aware you're including yourself ? got a license for it ?

19:01:19 liquidassets: We have our constitution interpreted by supreme court laws..

19:01:20 mircea_popescu: and moreover, bitcoin's the dominant word word money word, whatever you mean by those.

19:01:39 liquidassets: When I use the word "we" I mean, I cannot remove myself as a US Citizen

19:01:54 liquidassets: fuck yea mircea_popescu I'm with you on that

19:02:09 mircea_popescu: my clothes have a bank account. inasmuch as they can't get off me and i have a bank account :D

19:03:09 liquidassets: mircea_popescu yea which is why my next "moves" are to be determined

19:04:29 chetty: you can stop admitting it liquidassets , I claim everything but when I can :)

19:04:51 liquidassets: mircea_popescu are you saying that you need a license to hold money?

19:05:24 mircea_popescu: i am saying that while some people in the us have some money, your association with them seems tenuous. it's always a good idea to ask THEM if they feel "we" towards you. obviously you feel "we" towards them.

19:05:42 mircea_popescu: what exactly has yellen done to make you think it's a "we" ?

19:06:04 liquidassets: mircea_popescu I am TAXED

19:06:19 mircea_popescu: so is the sheep.

19:06:39 mircea_popescu: "we the sheep herd" ?

19:06:46 trinque: "wait, there's a hierarchy in the USA? surely not!"

19:07:04 *: trinque admits that this struck him far later in life than it ought

19:08:04 mircea_popescu: trinque kinda hard to see past all the schoolyard verbiage and the "requests for public comment" and whatnot.

19:08:46 mircea_popescu: or, to quote mayer again, "Listen to me! I don't care what you do in private. Just don't do it in public. In public, behave. Your fans expect it."

19:08:47 liquidassets: Definitely a hierarchy in the US but until I get to lizard hitler I will be unsatisfied

19:10:00 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1153237 << win.

19:10:00 assbot: Logged on 03-06-2015 17:15:38; chetty: fyi, 3 people online at eulora :)

19:10:28 mircea_popescu: liquidassets who are ye anyway ?

19:11:20 liquidassets: an individual on the internet

19:11:39 liquidassets: salesman by trade

19:12:04 liquidassets: I deal propertay

19:12:14 mircea_popescu: mmmkay...

19:13:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72300 @ 0.00035063 = 25.3505 BTC [-] {2}

19:14:38 liquidassets: you don't seem satisfied...I don't know mircea_popescu I don't know what I am,,ok?

19:14:54 mircea_popescu: ok.

19:15:20 mircea_popescu: i would propose to you that's an excellent definition of a country : that place where young adults know who they are.

19:15:48 mircea_popescu: they get their father's name and something their mother picked, this is meaningful in a country and meaningless in a prison.

19:16:03 liquidassets: I guess I can be a lot of things, who I am is kind of a mystery,, at least to me

19:16:08 mircea_popescu: right.

19:16:49 liquidassets: ;;rate mircea_popescu 2 GPG contracts and wants to know where the fuck 100 satoshi went. fraudsters.com Consistent, powerful.

19:16:50 gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.

19:18:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109168 @ 0.00033813 = 36.913 BTC [-] {5}

19:19:23 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1153291 << actually... this is an idea...

19:19:23 assbot: Logged on 03-06-2015 17:30:48; shinohai: So who was it that had those mp cult t-shirts

19:19:28 mircea_popescu: i'm gonna send one to my mother!

19:19:34 mircea_popescu: who had made the things ?

19:20:08 shinohai: I want one. The world needs a good cult to fight r/bitcoin, and you *do* look interesting on a shirt.

19:20:58 mircea_popescu: shinohai there's also http://fraudsters.com/2013/rng-board-is-here-cute-shirts-bonus/

19:23:36 shinohai: The cute bonus is very nice.

19:26:48 nubbins`: thanks, i generally don't take photos w/ it tucked anymore

19:26:54 nubbins`: but figured i'd make an exception

19:29:14 mircea_popescu: lawl

19:29:21 liquidassets: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1153509 <<like,, I say "my name" and the heavens open up?

19:29:21 assbot: Logged on 03-06-2015 19:15:48; mircea_popescu: they get their father's name and something their mother picked, this is meaningful in a country and meaningless in a prison.

19:29:37 mircea_popescu: somethinglikethat.

19:29:58 liquidassets: Ha ha ok,, sweet

19:32:46 mircea_popescu: !up shout-user91

19:33:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83350 @ 0.00032844 = 27.3755 BTC [-]

19:40:41 lobbes: <shinohai> ..and you *do* look interesting on a shirt. << move over, che guevara

19:41:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20182 @ 0.00032844 = 6.6286 BTC [-]

19:42:23 liquidassets: before I take off for the day, can anyone share how you authenticate, so as to produce a rating?

19:43:42 lobbes: !h

19:43:42 assbot: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot

19:45:22 lobbes: if you have upped yourself, then you are already 'authed' enough to leave a rating

19:46:37 liquidassets: ;;rate mircea_popescu 2 GPG contracts and wants to know where the fuck 100 satoshi went. fraudsters.com, Consistent.

19:46:38 gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.

19:46:49 lobbes: still must decrypt OTP from assbot for the rating however

19:46:53 liquidassets: lobbes didn't return a otp

19:46:58 lobbes: also, try '!'

19:47:03 lobbes: not ";;"

19:47:27 liquidassets: !rate mircea_popescu 2 GPG contracts and wants to know where the fuck 100 satoshi went. fraudsters.com Consistent.

19:47:28 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/6db4cdcd5e0bc8f7

19:48:40 trinque: liquidassets: ;; is gribble, ! is assbot

19:48:50 liquidassets: assbot:liquidassets.rate.mircea_popescu.2:b30375d51d7913085960b892b1cb8f818bd3168c05ea19399cecc93977a75881

19:48:56 trinque: liquidassets: stick a !v in front

19:49:10 liquidassets: !v assbot:liquidassets.rate.mircea_popescu.2:b30375d51d7913085960b892b1cb8f818bd3168c05ea19399cecc93977a75881

19:49:10 assbot: Successfully added a rating of 2 for mircea_popescu with note: GPG contracts and wants to know where the fuck 100 satoshi went. fraudsters.com Consistent.

19:49:25 liquidassets: ty

19:52:02 liquidassets: Have a great day #b-a see y'all next time

19:52:30 trinque: adios

19:55:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53582 @ 0.00035685 = 19.1207 BTC [+] {3}

20:01:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31850 @ 0.00032748 = 10.4302 BTC [-] {2}

20:12:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28700 @ 0.00032498 = 9.3269 BTC [-] {3}

20:26:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00033097 = 1.3901 BTC [+]

20:38:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21050 @ 0.00032441 = 6.8288 BTC [-]

20:39:32 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

20:39:47 ascii_field: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/29D4AB4C1D200C86FB06AB27CA9C38448622E11D3107C3A23E06C538C85B2CD0

20:40:47 gribble: The operation succeeded.

20:40:47 ascii_field: ;;later tell mircea_popescu not in magic-98 pattern

20:40:47 gribble: The operation succeeded.

20:40:47 thestringpuller: no eulora for ascii_field

20:40:47 ascii_field: ;;later tell mircea_popescu or at least one of the mods - wasn't

20:40:47 gribble: The operation succeeded.

20:40:47 ascii_field: thestringpuller: believe or not, i do not actually own a machine which could run it.

20:43:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3022 @ 0.00033097 = 1.0002 BTC [+]

20:55:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58545 @ 0.00032277 = 18.8966 BTC [-] {5}

20:55:18 ben_vulpes: apt-cache madison ??? what the hell.

21:03:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22916 @ 0.00033818 = 7.7497 BTC [+] {2}

21:05:26 thestringpuller: my disbelief is more in you playing video games in general

21:05:55 thestringpuller: ascii_field: derives pleasure from reading circuit schematics

21:06:15 ascii_field: thestringpuller: i set up a strict msdos box not long ago, mainly for games

21:24:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49800 @ 0.00034977 = 17.4185 BTC [+] {2}

21:45:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11950 @ 0.00033952 = 4.0573 BTC [-]

21:47:42 kakobrekla: title parser is back online

21:48:29 mike_c: http://bitcoin-assets.com/

21:48:30 assbot: #bitcoin-assets | You cannot stop the clouds by the building of a ship. ... ( http://bit.ly/1AL2pnU )

21:48:41 mike_c: nice!

22:06:24 mircea_popescu: 64424509455 eh

22:06:44 mircea_popescu: 4294967297 * 3 * 5

22:07:03 mircea_popescu: i think this is 5's first time.

22:08:20 mircea_popescu: yay thanks kakobrekla

22:08:47 kakobrekla: welcome

22:28:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49900 @ 0.00031947 = 15.9416 BTC [-] {2}

22:29:08 mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRm3ezx4BLg

22:29:09 assbot: Jack Warner Bloopers 1954 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iiux4o )

22:40:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32800 @ 0.00032159 = 10.5482 BTC [+]

22:44:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34423 @ 0.00031781 = 10.94 BTC [-] {2}

22:46:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14621 @ 0.00031699 = 4.6347 BTC [-]

22:51:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20893 @ 0.00031699 = 6.6229 BTC [-]

22:56:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70002 @ 0.00032236 = 22.5658 BTC [+] {2}

22:57:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81417 @ 0.00031718 = 25.8238 BTC [-] {3}

23:18:13 mircea_popescu: !up Avenged2

23:18:15 mircea_popescu: !up williamdunne

23:18:21 Avenged2: Whats up people how you chilling?

23:18:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11450 @ 0.00031645 = 3.6234 BTC [-]

23:18:55 nubbins`: terminally

23:18:56 Avenged2: Whats up people how you chilling?

23:19:01 nubbins`: terminally

23:19:02 mircea_popescu: http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbpgtpvBLU1qfvizao1_500.jpg something like that.

23:19:03 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1dNd731 )

23:22:30 Avenged2: meowmix081 in the house

23:25:39 ben_vulpes: meowmix808andheartbreaks

23:32:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71417 @ 0.00031596 = 22.5649 BTC [-] {2}

23:33:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85928 @ 0.000315 = 27.0673 BTC [-] {3}

23:34:44 BingoBoingo: !up STRML

23:46:12 *: asciilifeform for the first time in his life, encountered a defective... jumper.

23:46:18 asciilifeform: srsly wtf 11111!111!!!!!

23:50:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27350 @ 0.00031409 = 8.5904 BTC [-]

23:51:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40050 @ 0.00031323 = 12.5449 BTC [-] {2}