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00:03:54 benkay: <mircea_popescu> because it makes it more difficult for the mediocres. // pardon? i thought reducing asymmetry made for more efficient markets.

00:04:33 mircea_popescu: if nobody publihes anything mr foreskinhead can continue to pretend like he's "advising" "clients".

00:04:38 mircea_popescu: so can lew rockwell.

00:05:08 mircea_popescu: so can keiser. you were here when the a/b trick was explained no ?

00:05:23 benkay: mhm, i'm familiar.

00:05:24 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/how-to-make-money-on-the-internet-while-pretending-you-know-what-youre-talking-about-and-accumulating-a-legion-of-mindless-followers-for-fun-and-profit/

00:05:25 assbot: How to make money on the Internet while pretending you know what you’re talking about and accumulating a legion of mindless followers - for fun and profit! pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

00:06:10 benkay: i also don't have anything to say about things anymore.

00:06:18 benkay: so diff goes up - so what.

00:06:27 mircea_popescu: it's a skill.

00:06:32 benkay: so price is highly volataile, so what.

00:06:35 mircea_popescu: lol when's the last time i said something about that.

00:07:33 benkay: i don't really care to put my life online either.

00:07:54 benkay: at one point, one of the side goals was to leave a hole in the internet when i got disappeared, but now i'm just working on getting out of dodge.

00:08:32 benkay: i figure -assets will notice, and that's all that really matters.

00:12:21 benkay: lol okay so dig this

00:12:49 benkay: the local art school - Pacific Northwest College of Smoking Cigarettes and Being a Hipster opened up a new dorm downtown with a neat little cafe in the bottom.

00:13:05 benkay: i stop in, figuring - hey, art school, coffee, wine, surely there will be some cuties around

00:13:39 benkay: but i guess the shit's too expensive for the students, as there's not a school-aged soul in the place during work hours

00:14:43 mircea_popescu: haha

00:15:03 mircea_popescu: so put up a poster : wanna hang out here but too hip to afford it ? call me.

00:16:42 benkay: lol not bad

00:21:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28700 @ 0.00081915 = 23.5096 BTC [-] {3}

00:25:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 45 @ 0.01412781 = 0.6358 BTC [-] {5}

00:26:47 nubbins`: the weather's been really nice this week, and it has awakened a deep thirst

00:27:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 35 @ 0.03716272 = 1.3007 BTC [-] {7}

00:27:33 mircea_popescu: nudie beach ?

00:27:40 nubbins`: nah, just drinking a lot

00:29:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 31 @ 0.03079906 = 0.9548 BTC [-]

00:30:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5578 @ 0.0008122 = 4.5305 BTC [-]

00:30:36 nubbins`: capelin are rolling now anyway, beaches are gross

00:30:37 nubbins`: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phL9yAfb9H8

00:30:38 assbot: Capelin Rolling - Newfoundland & Labrador - YouTube

00:33:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 31 @ 0.0175 = 0.5425 BTC [-] {3}

00:40:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12972 @ 0.00081495 = 10.5715 BTC [+] {2}

00:42:26 benkay: http://lafalafu.com/krc/privilege.html

00:42:26 assbot: The Male Programmer Privilege Checklist

00:47:18 bitstein: Hilarious

01:01:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14078 @ 0.00081372 = 11.4556 BTC [-] {2}

01:08:32 asciilifeform: i guess i gotta break down and read this book now << never read it before!? epic porn!

01:17:51 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: can't afford security detail ? stfu, do something else with your time. bitcoin is not for you << alternatively, be boring. (works for me so far)

01:20:40 mircea_popescu: so here's a business idea : go by hospitals with trauma centers, buy amputated parts off amputees in order to cure the skin and make real human skin items

01:20:46 mircea_popescu: such as i dunno, bikinis. and lampshades.

01:20:49 mircea_popescu: !up GunPlay

01:21:01 mircea_popescu: GunPlay you're not some sort of deranged pua are you ?

01:21:06 asciilifeform: http://www.humanleather.co.uk << almost

01:21:07 assbot: Human Leather Exclusive Products - Exquisite Wallets, Belts, Shoes

01:21:15 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform always been too lazy

01:21:40 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Most amputees around here any more... Tend to be amputees because of conditions manifesting in the skin.

01:21:44 GunPlay: haha pick up artist?

01:22:15 mircea_popescu: nm that dude was gunwitch

01:22:21 *: asciilifeform owns a briefcase full of various tweezers, can pick up anything!

01:22:23 GunPlay: lol

01:22:44 GunPlay: my nick comes from playing first person shooters a lot back in the day

01:22:46 mircea_popescu: "The freedom to apply for a job at your partner's workplace without worrying that others will think you only got the job because of your partner."

01:22:47 GunPlay: quake 1

01:22:51 mircea_popescu: what are these people, retarded ?

01:23:31 mircea_popescu: "Telling someone to RTFM without being accused of PMS." this is, incidentally, older than all those involved.

01:23:38 mircea_popescu: pretty sure it survives intact since the old codex.

01:23:54 benkay: old codex?

01:24:22 asciilifeform: s/codex/testament ?

01:25:13 benkay: ah yes "go to the back of the column until you're fit to associate with humans again"

01:25:21 mircea_popescu: nono the jargon file

01:26:09 asciilifeform: what are these people, retarded << not exactly. this crud is at least as old as 'poenitentiam agite.'

01:28:36 mircea_popescu: GunPlay wait, you're the guy mthreat mentioned ?

01:28:38 mircea_popescu: !s gnuplay

01:28:38 assbot: 0 results for 'gnuplay' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=gnuplay

01:29:20 mircea_popescu: ah no, danielpbarron yest.

01:30:59 benkay: asciilifeform: what's a good name for the statal organizations who encourage citizens to report each other for 'infractions'?

01:31:55 asciilifeform: benkay: different names, depending on the cultural flavour of the particular example

01:33:00 asciilifeform: benkay: just as a 'samurai' isn't quite the same animal as european 'knight,' a soviet стукач isn't entirely the same species as a new york 'stoolie' - etc.

01:34:46 asciilifeform: 'стукач' ~= 'one who knocks' (implication, on the 'right door')

01:37:04 mthreat: mircea_popescu: no that guy works at bitpay, it turns out

01:37:44 mircea_popescu: lol k

01:38:23 mircea_popescu: ;;prevdiff

01:38:27 gribble: 13462580114.5

01:38:46 GunPlay: mircea_popescu: naw, I don't know mthreat

01:38:51 mircea_popescu: ;;diff

01:38:51 gribble: 1.6818461371161112E10

01:39:17 BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats

01:39:19 gribble: Current Blocks: 308950 | Current Difficulty: 1.6818461371161112E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 310463 | Next Difficulty In: 1513 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 2 hours, 59 minutes, and 59 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 15773777899.9 | Estimated Percent Change: -6.21153

01:39:50 GunPlay: danielpbarron suggested I join this channel and learn about Bitcoin via mostly experts

01:40:13 GunPlay: good stuff, I'll just lurk for a while I suppose :-)

01:41:33 BingoBoingo: GunPlay: That doesn't hurt, but also throwing things out in the channel can be productive

01:44:15 BingoBoingo: Jobs that exist: Corn thing edition http://sidespin.kinja.com/terrible-jobs-ive-had-detasseling-886639615?utm_source=recirculation&utm_medium=recirculation&utm_campaign=wednesdayPM

01:44:16 assbot: Terrible Jobs I've Had: Detasseling

01:44:49 mircea_popescu: http://38.media.tumblr.com/0ec79cc9c0f2a0fc8e28741a062e3f36/tumblr_mf37luSEjK1rnk53bo1_500.jpg

01:45:06 mircea_popescu: there, i've thrown out a very unfortunate young lady.

01:46:01 asciilifeform: why unfortunate

01:46:09 mircea_popescu: http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbacaga38b1r3grd2o1_500.jpg

01:46:13 mircea_popescu: compare and contrast.

01:48:15 benkay: GunPlay: per BingoBoingo's comment above, being wrong is not a crime here. refusing to listen to reason, though...

01:50:22 GunPlay: benkay: haha, that makes sense

01:50:40 mike_c: %p

01:50:42 atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.02 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 14243.64 GH/s

01:50:56 GunPlay: well, I mention to danielpbarron that I was interesting in people doing Bitcoin projects

01:51:15 GunPlay: new ideas, implementations, products, both free or not

01:51:37 GunPlay: sorry for the misspellings, meant to say interested

01:51:51 GunPlay: daniel said I should hang out here

01:52:20 GunPlay: that a lot of you guys are driving Bitcoin development in some way, whether directly or through community

01:52:43 mircea_popescu: ;;topic

01:52:43 gribble: http://bitcoin-assets.com || http://log.bitcoin-assets.com || http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com || http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com

01:52:43 BingoBoingo: GunPlay: The occasional spelling or grammar slip is fine. I'm drunk here occasionally.

01:52:49 mircea_popescu: lot of good stuff in the logs GunPlay

01:53:03 GunPlay: ah, cool, I'll check 'em out

01:53:24 mircea_popescu: !s coinfront

01:53:25 assbot: 4 results for 'coinfront' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=coinfront

01:53:51 mircea_popescu: o those derps. mkay.

01:54:29 GunPlay: BingoBoingo: I look forward to your drunken rants ;-)

01:54:41 BingoBoingo: There's plenty in the logs

01:54:49 GunPlay: lol

01:56:47 BingoBoingo: Also on the blog

01:58:54 []bot: Bet created: "BTC price to rise above 1oz of gold " http://bitbet.us/bet/976/

02:00:48 []bot: Bet created: "BTC price to rise above 1oz of gold before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/977/

02:02:09 mircea_popescu: ;;rated dooglus

02:02:10 gribble: You rated user dooglus on Mon Apr 22 15:22:55 2013, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: Does useful things..

02:02:24 []bot: Bet created: "Bond Bubble Bursts" http://bitbet.us/bet/978/

02:02:34 mircea_popescu: ;;rate dooglus 3 Truly a pillar of the community.

02:02:36 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user dooglus has changed from 2 to 3.

02:03:49 []bot: Bet created: "Japanese Government Bond Bubble Bursts" http://bitbet.us/bet/979/

02:04:23 []bot: Bet created: "Bitcoin incremental difficulty to increase by 9B or more" http://bitbet.us/bet/980/

02:06:06 benkay: no community, only capitalism.

02:09:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47712 @ 0.00081656 = 38.9597 BTC [+] {4}

02:14:15 BingoBoingo: %d

02:14:16 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 511511.43 Est. Next Diff: 600351.50 in 355 blocks (#38304) Est. % Change: 17.37

02:16:17 mike_c: gotta love that stabilization :)

02:18:13 mircea_popescu: lol

02:20:02 BingoBoingo: %t

02:20:03 atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 199 Ask: 272 Last Price: 199 24h-Vol: 787k High: 340 Low: 199 VWAP: 286

02:20:22 BingoBoingo: Is this "stabilization" going to happen after every time I make a monthly statement?

02:20:59 mike_c: pool hoppers are subscribed to your blog rss

02:21:23 mircea_popescu: lol

02:26:07 BingoBoingo: Watch the difficulty drop mid month, because It's been too long since I made a statement

02:29:38 BingoBoingo: %ob

02:29:40 atcbot: 18k@310 11k@275 19k@272 | 898k@199 500k@151 175k@142

02:31:05 BingoBoingo: https://atc.waroflife.com/gow/11/ << I wonder if extinction might happen this round

02:31:06 assbot: War of Life - Cellular automaton to the death!

02:34:27 mike_c: catch a falling dagger and you could make out

02:35:31 BingoBoingo: I just wonder if some Life bagholder is going to start bombing like hell

02:35:41 mike_c: hehe. after you go to sleep of course

02:36:12 mike_c: ouch, it's a blood bath on the life side

02:37:24 BingoBoingo: Well, the first random and first paid bombs really set the tone

02:39:04 mike_c: game's been going for 14 hours.. "expected" time for this # of frames is 49 hours. speed WoL!

02:43:17 BingoBoingo: Indeed

02:59:30 kyuupichan: mircea_popescu: "Amazon also will capitulate. Rejection reason: Consider submitting with paid wager."

02:59:43 kyuupichan: I did submit a paid wager, and you refunded it. I assume you mean you want a bigger one?

03:00:27 kyuupichan: Twas 0.1 BTC.

03:03:02 BingoBoingo: The prolly wanted a bigger one seeing how little traction that sort of proposition gets on its own

03:04:05 nubbins`: ^

03:12:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.03881338 = 0.5434 BTC [-] {2}

03:16:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19300 @ 0.00081657 = 15.7598 BTC [+] {2}

03:46:09 moiety: mew

03:46:20 moiety: didja miss me?

03:48:37 justusranvier: https://twitter.com/altcoin_borat

03:48:38 assbot: Altcoin Borat (altcoin_borat) auf Twitter

03:52:24 BingoBoingo: moiety: Some shit site is ripping off the trend http://offbeat.topix.com/story/12832

03:52:25 assbot: This Cat Makes The Best Faces In The Whole Wide World.

03:53:06 moiety: BingoBoingo: doyou have any news for me?

03:53:24 BingoBoingo: moiety: No new news yet. Which isn't a bad thing

03:54:22 moiety: can i just say i do no. 8 regularly

03:54:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3850 @ 0.00081375 = 3.1329 BTC [+]

03:55:22 moiety: no no not a bad thing at all. means they havent delievered the bad news to the otherws yet :D

03:55:42 moiety: can i also sat no 9. is my usual dau to day face lol

03:55:46 moiety: say*

03:56:32 BingoBoingo: lol

03:58:45 danielpbarron: hi, GunPlay

04:00:33 bloctoc: Yellen is turning out to be very good for bitcoin indeed!

04:00:54 bloctoc: Satoshi/Yellen for president

04:01:17 nubbins`: jannit yellin

04:06:39 bloctoc: Draper in Financial Times. http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/c2b48d2c-01ec-11e4-bb71-00144feab7de.html#axzz36NGFo5Ls

04:06:39 assbot: Financial Times | Error | Akamai Error

04:18:00 moiety: BingoBoingo: has there been any other news... i see nothing other than the usual he said, she said derpiness

04:18:16 BingoBoingo: Not really

04:18:31 moiety: oh and can we play chess? (quite drunk - determined to beat you)

04:20:02 BingoBoingo: K, let me set up a board

04:20:45 moiety: omg really? now? you did not say yes... im getting a board ready just in case

04:21:00 BingoBoingo: moiety: Wait there was a sie wasn't there

04:23:10 BingoBoingo: moiety: Remembered http://www.chess.com was a thing so we dun fill the logs up

04:23:10 assbot: Play Chess Online - Free Chess Games at Chess.com

04:23:38 *: BingoBoingo mixes another drink

04:24:04 BingoBoingo: !up Pasha

04:25:28 moiety: yaya k so whats the level of drunk 0-10?

04:25:45 moiety: level of drunk of the BingoBoingo i mean

04:25:57 BingoBoingo: Prolly a 4

04:26:16 moiety: ah fuck.... k .... be kind then

04:26:54 BingoBoingo: Coul be 6 by the end of the game

04:35:25 moiety: BB: why is it telling me every move i make is illegal

04:37:25 BingoBoingo: moiety: That's a good question

04:37:50 BingoBoingo: What sort of thing were we playing on again?

04:39:44 moiety: lol

04:39:50 moiety: chess?

04:40:08 BingoBoingo: K, are we using the website?

04:40:11 moiety: but any move i make it says its illegal

04:40:44 BingoBoingo: moiety: Are we on the same site?

04:40:55 moiety: yeah i went to the link you gave

04:41:02 moiety: says you challenged me

04:41:08 BingoBoingo: Maybe you have to accept the invitation to the game or something?

04:41:34 moiety: yeah i do that and get to the game no bother

04:42:49 BingoBoingo: Hmmm. moiety Maybe start another game and invire me this time? Maybe this site is jsut retarded

04:44:25 BingoBoingo: moiety: Seems to maybe be working now.

04:44:34 moiety: o no im just being dumb, think thats me in the game now

04:44:38 moiety: aye

04:45:50 moiety: jesus this is ultra fancy compared to our last board

04:45:57 BingoBoingo: Ah

04:46:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9850 @ 0.00081375 = 8.0154 BTC [+]

04:48:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34500 @ 0.00081375 = 28.0744 BTC [+] {2}

04:51:34 BingoBoingo: %t

04:51:35 atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 200 Ask: 272 Last Price: 199 24h-Vol: 205k High: 340 Low: 199 VWAP: 294

05:04:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2700 @ 0.0008144 = 2.1989 BTC [+]

05:05:00 moiety: i swear you have extra bits than i do when we begin a game BingoBoingo

05:05:27 BingoBoingo: moiety: Well, anyone who bet life in WoL this round is prolly swearing moar

05:08:32 moiety: aha!

05:09:30 moiety: did you just take one of my bits?

05:09:59 BingoBoingo: Yup

05:10:10 moiety: i knew it!

05:10:19 BingoBoingo: And another

05:10:21 moiety: get back you

05:10:29 moiety: omg

05:11:51 BingoBoingo: moiety: You know... at some point you can start taking stuff too

05:12:50 moiety: ach weesht! I'm trying!

05:13:15 BingoBoingo: moiety: Nao you have to take a piece

05:13:32 moiety: i did ..i did!!!!

05:14:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18400 @ 0.00081284 = 14.9563 BTC [-]

05:14:06 BingoBoingo: There you go. You're scottish. You dun have to be English sort of polite

05:15:31 moiety: shall i send you a "take me nao" tshirt?

05:15:59 BingoBoingo: Maybe?

05:18:25 BingoBoingo: moiety: After this game Imma get drunker and you're going to need to show aggression in the next game

05:22:20 moiety: how have you got a manny down on my homne row

05:22:20 BingoBoingo: !up ericmuyser

05:22:58 BingoBoingo: moiety: Quite a few... You know sometimes you can move them out of the way (you can also flip the board to see what I see)

05:23:45 moiety: oh aye i just found the board flipping things.... i can move them out of the way?!

05:25:16 BingoBoingo: Well, when its your tune to move if I've threatened something... moving it to safety is an option

05:26:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 32 @ 0.01702034 = 0.5447 BTC [-] {8}

05:27:16 BingoBoingo: http://www.earthtouchnews.com/media/179015/06_02_2014_manul_Pallass-cat_1_GalleryLarge.jpg

05:27:30 mircea_popescu: kyuupichan yeah, generally those sorts of bets struggle to even cross 1 btc total.

05:28:12 mircea_popescu: nobody really seems to care, see http://bitbet.us/bet/805/newegg-to-accept-btc-in-2014/

05:28:13 assbot: BitBet - Newegg to accept BTC in 2014 :: 0.07 B (50%) on Yes, 0.07 B (50%) on No | closed 3 hours 36 minutes ago

05:29:05 benkay: where is the search engine i type in "thing i want".pdf and it gives it to me?

05:29:08 mircea_popescu: also, http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m72aglvFpd1rosrwvo1_500.jpg

05:29:21 mircea_popescu: !up Cory

05:29:23 benkay: nom

05:30:48 mircea_popescu: benkay free independant woman ftw.

05:31:52 benkay: schroeder's buffet bio's decentish

05:32:23 mircea_popescu: moiety so how goes ?

05:34:31 moiety: mircea_popescu: hello! so happy to finally have non intermittent interwebs (arrived today), nothing exciting. how are you?

05:34:44 mircea_popescu: pretty good

05:36:51 mircea_popescu: discovering how ba actually looks a lot like san diego

05:36:56 mircea_popescu: i think they have a complex.

05:37:07 moiety: i missed you all!

05:37:12 moiety: san diego?

05:38:02 mircea_popescu: ya

05:38:46 cazalla: heh won knc bet, who would've thought

05:39:18 moiety: BingoBoingo: offs.. srs? i have like no bits left!

05:39:43 mircea_popescu: http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3u4g9XCRH1qfslojo1_500.jpg

05:39:57 BingoBoingo: moiety: Well you could resign or offer a draw and try again next game

05:40:15 moiety: "which of these chicks has a natural tan?!"

05:40:41 moiety: noooooooooooo BingoBoingo i shall lose squarely tyvm!

05:40:53 mircea_popescu: moiety they all look kinda natural no ?

05:41:21 moiety: my point exactly mircea_popescu :P

05:41:34 BingoBoingo: moiety: In that case you need to lose more bits this game so you protect them more ferverently next

05:41:36 mircea_popescu: hehe

05:41:43 mircea_popescu: kinda lanky awkward central.

05:41:58 moiety: but nipples.... so... eh?

05:42:09 mircea_popescu: lol brits and their eh

05:42:15 mircea_popescu: universal key of language, eh ?

05:42:22 moiety: eh

05:42:25 *: moiety nods

05:42:29 BingoBoingo: rolfbbqomg

05:42:54 mircea_popescu: bbqeh.

05:42:59 mircea_popescu: con queso.

05:43:09 BingoBoingo: %d

05:43:10 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 511511.43 Est. Next Diff: 626104.23 in 254 blocks (#38304) Est. % Change: 22.40

05:43:17 BingoBoingo: %t

05:43:19 atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 200 Ask: 272 Last Price: 199 24h-Vol: 204k High: 340 Low: 199 VWAP: 295

05:43:56 BingoBoingo: %ob

05:43:57 atcbot: 18k@310 11k@275 19k@272 | 51k@200 898k@199 500k@151

05:44:35 mircea_popescu: ;;calc (2.67295072 - 2.24502432) / 272079.90524245

05:44:35 gribble: 1.57279678416e-06

05:44:40 mircea_popescu: that's pretty good innit.

05:45:10 BingoBoingo: Looka like it

05:45:15 mircea_popescu: cool.

05:45:39 mircea_popescu: this entire reporting business i tell you... it's getting pretty thick.

05:45:46 BingoBoingo: Yeah

05:46:07 BingoBoingo: Soon, most of your month will be consumed by statements

05:46:09 mircea_popescu: almost done with mpif not even halfway there.

05:46:14 mircea_popescu: ya lol

05:47:18 moiety: BingoBoingo: have you got me in a point where i cant move?

05:47:49 mircea_popescu: what's this, impregnation chess ?

05:48:25 BingoBoingo: moiety: You have to move your king, because check

05:48:38 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Not atm that I'm aware of

05:49:02 moiety: fucking better not be

05:49:47 moiety: ok i did something, no idea what but it was the only thing i could move

05:50:55 BingoBoingo: Well, it happens

05:51:46 BingoBoingo: You can take a thing nao at least?

05:57:35 moiety: i did.... but i think it wasn't the best move to make... but im struggling cus, well, you know, you have ALL THE REST!

05:58:14 BingoBoingo: moiety: Well, now you know why you need to retaliate when I take your pieces

05:58:37 moiety: ya, moseying across the board doesnt cut it any more

05:59:22 BingoBoingo: Well, life is far more precarious than it was this point last round in the other game https://atc.waroflife.com/gow/11/

05:59:23 assbot: War of Life - Cellular automaton to the death!

06:00:21 penguirker: New blog post: http://thewhet.net/2014/line-betting-on-bitbet-june-2014/

06:01:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6687 @ 0.0008143 = 5.4452 BTC [+]

06:09:57 BingoBoingo: moiety: GG

06:10:31 moiety: wait

06:10:32 moiety: how

06:10:35 moiety: wut

06:10:37 moiety: fuck

06:10:48 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell mike_c http://fraudsters.com/2014/fmpif-june-2014-statement/ some adjustments to btcalpha required.

06:10:51 assbot: F.MPIF, June 2014 Statement pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

06:10:51 gribble: The operation succeeded.

06:10:59 moiety: thank you for being patient BingoBoingo

06:11:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9059 @ 0.0008143 = 7.3767 BTC [+]

06:11:26 mircea_popescu: 0.00021760 vs 0.00021734 tho so quite close.

06:11:51 BingoBoingo: moiety: You're welcome

06:13:27 moiety: sorry i don't give such a good game, I will some day. i promise you that!

06:14:29 moiety: !up RagnarDanneskjol

06:15:20 BingoBoingo: moiety: Well, you can give it a go as white nao

06:16:49 moiety: :D

06:24:10 moiety: BingoBoingo: i have no idea why i just did that last one ok... it just /is/

06:24:23 BingoBoingo: Well, things...

06:24:34 BingoBoingo: just sort do what they do

06:28:21 penguirker: New blog post: http://fraudsters.com/2014/fmpif-june-2014-statement/

06:30:26 BingoBoingo: moiety: Good game

06:30:43 moiety: wut? already? i thought i was doing better this time!

06:31:39 BingoBoingo: moiety: Well, you kept more bits, but... You kind forgot to protect the important one.

06:32:50 moiety: ya.. i'm not quite at the stage of thinking ahead to what you will do next. i don't quite see how to protect that back bit without moving folk out

06:34:23 BingoBoingo: Well, you've to to worry about the center of the board a bit more. Rooks are fun when you get them out, but... Early in the game they really dun have anywhere to go

06:35:21 moiety: my strategy so far as to: make a gap and then destroy all i can with the queen. sometimes this works sometimes it really doesnt

06:36:13 moiety: you always move your horse dudes pretty early. i must think about them more

06:36:20 BingoBoingo: Well, queen can get took too.

06:36:51 moiety: i like her cus shes pretty bi and can go loads of ways though

06:36:57 BingoBoingo: Horses are really dangerous early in the game because they can jump over the junk clogging things up

06:37:22 moiety: can they jump over anything?

06:37:37 BingoBoingo: Well, as long as they have a spot to land on

06:39:15 BingoBoingo: %p

06:39:17 atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.02 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 12504.27 GH/s

06:45:11 moiety: dude, how do you leap across the board like that -_-

06:46:16 moiety: you won already

06:46:20 moiety: duuuuude

06:48:46 BingoBoingo: Well, practice

06:57:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00081604 = 12.4038 BTC [+] {2}

07:02:24 moiety: i'll play you and win one day, BingoBoingo

07:02:37 BingoBoingo: moiety: Of course

07:04:31 moiety: if you could feign some form of "oh well i really didn't see that coming" that would be fabulous

07:04:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15100 @ 0.00081374 = 12.2875 BTC [-] {3}

07:05:31 moiety: did you see bill gates play the current world grand master? lost in under two minutes i think

07:06:41 BingoBoingo: moiety: Yeah I saw the Bill gates thing. Maybe soon I'll be able to do the feigning as you requested, but... drunk

07:19:29 BingoBoingo: %tslb

07:19:31 atcbot: 0 minutes and 0 seconds ago (right now!)

07:19:39 BingoBoingo: %diff

07:19:39 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 511511.43 Est. Next Diff: 635112.62 in 215 blocks (#38304) Est. % Change: 24.16

07:26:02 punkman: BingoBoingo: I see the bombing paid off

07:26:33 BingoBoingo: punkman: Early on, now it seems simply that life is the biggest hazard to itself

07:27:01 punkman: the game's going faster than usual eh

07:27:19 BingoBoingo: Well, ATC is goig faster than usual

07:52:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42000 @ 0.00081791 = 34.3522 BTC [+] {4}

08:01:57 moiety: BingoBoingo: is it very boring to play people that aren't at your level?

08:04:31 kyuupichan: ;;bc,stats

08:04:33 gribble: Current Blocks: 308992 | Current Difficulty: 1.6818461371161112E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 310463 | Next Difficulty In: 1471 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 19 hours, 21 minutes, and 36 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 16057522539.0 | Estimated Percent Change: -4.52443

08:04:47 kyuupichan: I'll be stunned if we get a diff fall this period, but we're well on course for it

08:25:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.18175107 = 0.9088 BTC [-] {3}

08:28:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 50 @ 0.017 = 0.85 BTC [-]

08:34:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40050 @ 0.00081926 = 32.8114 BTC [+] {3}

08:37:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.181751 = 1.0905 BTC [-]

08:44:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1450 @ 0.00082106 = 1.1905 BTC [+] {2}

08:46:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5758 @ 0.00082138 = 4.7295 BTC [+]

08:53:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14300 @ 0.00082138 = 11.7457 BTC [+]

09:29:06 jurov: ;;calc 2186753/186753

09:29:07 gribble: 11.7093326479

09:29:12 jurov: er

09:29:30 jurov: ;;calc 475.281614687/2186753

09:29:30 gribble: 0.000217345815777

09:29:44 jurov: ;;calc 475.281614687/2186753*1.01

09:29:45 gribble: 0.000219519273934

09:29:51 jurov: ;;calc 475.281614687/2186753/1.01

09:29:51 gribble: 0.000215193877007

09:30:43 jurov: !mpif

09:30:44 assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021760 BTC (Total: 435.21 BTC). Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00023849 BTC [+]

09:31:00 pankkake: http://bitbet.us/bet/871/bitcoin-difficulty-to-fall-in-2014/?ref=1Eck6cgGzEb9N42CFhcsCBQhZQStoJbHRK - still, no one bets Yes

09:31:00 assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin difficulty to fall in 2014 :: 1.3 B (35%) on Yes, 2.44 B (65%) on No | closing in 5 months 2 weeks | weight: 83`555 (100`000 to 1)

09:31:24 jurov: mike_c ^^ quite a diference from the report

09:31:34 jurov: *monthly report

09:32:13 jurov: i take it back, actually not

09:32:29 jurov: should have bfast and coffee first

10:48:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00081961 = 6.393 BTC [-]

10:51:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00081921 = 10.322 BTC [-] {2}

11:18:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.03710885 = 1.4844 BTC [-] {9}

11:23:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.18749994 = 1.875 BTC [+] {3}

11:42:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.0008214 = 4.107 BTC [+] {2}

11:45:22 Naphex: davout: grats on merchant feat

11:47:26 punkman: best time to move house: noon with 30 C under shade

11:51:07 jurov: you live in trailer?

11:52:53 punkman: nah

11:58:24 chetty: you can't make this shit up - http://www.lewrockwell.com/2014/07/no_author/high-schooler-says-he-will-commit-suicide/

11:58:25 assbot: High Schooler Says He Will Commit Suicide – LewRockwell.com

12:03:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 50 @ 0.19416553 = 9.7083 BTC [+] {8}

12:54:06 bitcoinpete: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://fraudsters.com/2014/fmpif-june-2014-statement/#footnote_0_55383 << please to note Government of "Canada"

12:54:08 assbot: F.MPIF, June 2014 Statement pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

12:54:08 gribble: The operation succeeded.

12:57:06 bitcoinpete: https://twitter.com/bitcoinpete/status/484478125087010816

12:57:07 assbot: Trying to create the perfect password this evening? These tips will help! http://t.co/F2aynIDUsV http://t.co/K6GqpYXBAc

12:57:30 bitcoinpete: Dear Sam Lee...

12:58:33 bitcoinpete: http://tr.eecs.ucf.edu/78/

12:58:34 assbot: Anonymous Byzantine Consensus from Moderately-Hard Puzzles: A Model for Bitcoin - EECS Technical Reports

13:00:16 pankkake: ;;ud thunderclap

13:00:17 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=thunderclap | A thunderclap is the sound of a scrotum slapping against the body when going balls-deep.

13:02:05 bitcoinpete: lol

13:08:53 pankkake: http://www.coindesk.com/overstock-dangles-rewards-bitcoin-friendly-vendors/ actually, overstock might end up being a bitcoin business

13:08:53 assbot: Overstock Dangles Rewards For Bitcoin-Friendly Vendors

13:09:24 pankkake: if it's what I understand (being paid bitcoins not fiat)

13:11:21 kakobrekla: http://shrani.si/f/2L/xi/lRh7miy/customer.png

13:11:23 kakobrekla: people.

13:12:27 bitcoinpete: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuVuEz0S16c << germanz keeping busy!

13:12:27 assbot: Premium PLUS Parken am Dsseldorf Airport - YouTube

13:12:39 bitcoinpete: ok, off to the golf course

13:25:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.20071416 = 1.405 BTC [+] {3}

13:27:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.2051 = 0.6153 BTC [+]

14:11:45 ThickAsThieves: <+kakobrekla> http://shrani.si/f/2L/xi/lRh7miy/customer.png /// lol

14:11:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44520 @ 0.00081588 = 36.323 BTC [-] {3}

14:14:05 kakobrekla: wait theres more

14:15:58 kakobrekla: cont: http://shrani.si/f/1p/9k/1VTNwcQ8/customercont.png

14:17:51 pankkake: LOL

14:19:54 Namworld: So what's the issue? Delay is like in FAQ like first question? I think I recall reading it once. Pretty sure there was mention for unresolvable bets somewhere in there.

14:20:24 kakobrekla: dafuq do i know

14:20:37 kakobrekla: he just needs to wait for the mods to do their thing

14:20:44 ThickAsThieves: i imagine a clearer answer could be, it will resolve when the results of the open FOIA requests are responded to

14:20:48 kakobrekla: is what i have been trying to tell him anyway.

14:21:04 kakobrekla: yeah but then theres no fun

14:21:33 ThickAsThieves: indeed

14:22:20 Namworld: Ah yes, there's the FAQ answer. Doesn't specify a definite time limit, but it does mention it.

14:23:07 kakobrekla: look im just the support keeping the customers busy while bets are getting resolved dont look at me!

14:29:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2630 @ 0.00081403 = 2.1409 BTC [-]

14:36:14 pankkake: http://yro.slashdot.org/story/14/07/03/136231/goldman-sachs-demands-google-unsend-one-of-its-e-mails

14:36:16 assbot: Goldman Sachs Demands Google Unsend One of Its E-mails - Slashdot

14:39:48 chetty: you know I wonder if these people that go on about various online bets argue with dealers at the blackjack table?

14:41:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5070 @ 0.00081698 = 4.1421 BTC [+]

14:57:29 punkman: chetty, you argue with the dealer, you get thrown out of the casino. You argue with bitbet, you get entertaining emails.

15:03:02 kakobrekla: the conclusion, bitbet is delaying payments so they earn the big interest sitting on huge (over 3btc) balance

15:03:05 kakobrekla: http://shrani.si/f/2K/bl/3DJJzKcn/customerconclusion.png

15:03:35 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla eh tell them to get bent.

15:03:39 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bitcoinpete huh ?

15:03:39 gribble: The operation succeeded.

15:04:27 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: betcha this fellow is american. over here, they'll bring a mostly empty bottle of vodka to the shop, say 'i didn't like it', get money back.

15:04:38 kakobrekla: lol

15:05:11 mircea_popescu: actually no, let's fix the incentive structure.

15:05:51 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla tell them that you've brought the matter to my attention, and i said that if i hear about this again i will not pay on that bet until august 3rd no matter what happens. then ask him if he wants to bring the matter to my attention again.

15:05:52 mircea_popescu: ;et'

15:05:56 mircea_popescu: let's see what happens.

15:06:10 mircea_popescu: !up Vallance

15:06:29 kakobrekla: mp, nowai cause this can end only end badly.

15:06:32 kakobrekla: :P

15:06:35 mircea_popescu: lol right.

15:06:49 mircea_popescu: hey, im willing to go to february 3rd 2015 after that.

15:07:27 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah. this because 50 years ago it was actually worth your while as a shop keeper to make them happy, because they were diligent hard working sorts of people.

15:07:31 mircea_popescu: nowadays...

15:12:02 pankkake: didn't he think that the info would not be available quickly when he bet?

15:12:22 pankkake: that's why I didn't bet, actually, I'm surprised it was approved without a resolution source in the first place

15:12:32 mircea_popescu: pankkake but whatever he thought then, right ? i mean suppose a girl invites him over and he THINKS it's for to fuck.

15:12:50 mircea_popescu: then the girl just gives him tea. what now, does he throw a fit, rolling on the floor, snot everywhere ?

15:13:07 mircea_popescu: cause it wouldn't surprise me.

15:13:45 pankkake: I'm more like George, girl invites me over to fuck, but I just drink the tea

15:13:47 chetty: no, he tries to rape her, cause thats his right, otherwise he is a victim of tea

15:13:53 asciilifeform: !s fraudsters copilul anal

15:13:54 assbot: 0 results for 'fraudsters copilul anal' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=fraudsters+copilul+anal

15:14:04 mircea_popescu: chetty i k r ?

15:14:17 asciilifeform: damnit

15:14:20 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sheit, your depth of wisdom astounds me.

15:14:32 mircea_popescu: ;;google copilul anal

15:14:32 asciilifeform: http://fraudsters.com/2011/copilul-anal

15:14:34 assbot: Copilul anal pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

15:14:34 gribble: Parents banned from naming baby WikiLeaks after officials ruled it ...: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/parents-banned-from-calling-baby-wikileaks-after-court-ruled-name-was-potentially-harmful-9239564.html; Anus music music - Listen free at Last.fm: http://www.last.fm/tag/anus+music; Trilenciclopedia pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: (1 more message)

15:14:43 mircea_popescu: weird, i get it first hit.

15:16:49 mike_c: !mpif

15:16:50 assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021734 BTC (Total: 475.28 BTC). Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00023849 BTC [+]

15:17:01 mircea_popescu: mike_c yay!

15:17:24 mike_c: who wants to be the btcalpha intern?

15:17:29 mircea_popescu: srsly.

15:17:38 mircea_popescu: who can one trust for the job tho ? maybe ask them directly.

15:17:49 mircea_popescu: kinda how i do it, if there';s people right on the brink of your wot as it were.

15:18:03 mircea_popescu: expand the bubble by eating the edges

15:18:20 mike_c: worth a shot.

15:18:51 mircea_popescu: just like bacterium do it. which, i've been thinking, is actually a very interesting situation. with the mechanics of bitcoin serving as a fundamental thermodynamics implementation, and the wot serving as a singalling space,

15:19:02 mircea_popescu: we're basically playing a mega game of life : we've each got our own bacterium

15:19:09 mircea_popescu: and so far, trying to make it eat and grow

15:19:25 kakobrekla: what is the intern suppose to do

15:19:32 kakobrekla: except for internet

15:19:40 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bugpowder http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2014#741744

15:19:41 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

15:19:41 gribble: The operation succeeded.

15:19:42 mike_c: get coffee and enter monthly updates.

15:19:53 mircea_popescu: check out the time piercing beauty of the log/later tell combo :D

15:20:14 mircea_popescu: mike_c usure not seeking 2nd wife ? that sounds like wife...

15:20:21 mike_c: work-wife

15:20:29 mike_c: ;;ud work wife

15:20:29 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=work%20wife | That person at work (same or opposite sex) that takes the place of your "at home" spouse while you are at work (no sexual relationship is part of t...

15:20:47 mircea_popescu: (no sexual relationship is part of either relationship)

15:20:52 mircea_popescu: there ud fify

15:22:03 pankkake: ;;ud secretary

15:22:03 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=secretary | secretary. A position filled by a female that has no other purpose except to perform specific duties for the boss or president of the company. ie: sucking, fucking, ...

15:23:25 mircea_popescu: eh. these people never ran an office.

15:24:12 mircea_popescu: generally speaking, the senior partner at a law firm will be fucking enraged if you manage to steal his secretary. he couldn't care less if half the junior "partners" leave.

15:24:38 mircea_popescu: the reason isn't that she's fucking him, but quite exactly the contrary : unlike all the junior schmucks, she isn't.

15:27:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4618 @ 0.00081457 = 3.7617 BTC [-]

15:42:16 mircea_popescu: !s mcgrath

15:42:17 assbot: 10 results for 'mcgrath' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=mcgrath

15:42:42 mircea_popescu: !s trampstamp

15:42:42 assbot: 3 results for 'trampstamp' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=trampstamp

15:44:02 mike_c: !s spy house jersey

15:44:03 assbot: 38 results for 'spy house jersey' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=spy+house+jersey

15:44:07 mike_c: only 38??

15:44:41 kakobrekla: lol again with the spyhouse

15:45:11 mike_c: i could've sworn we said it a 100 times yesterday

15:45:39 kakobrekla: maybe its not parsed yet

15:51:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.202 = 0.808 BTC [+]

15:51:53 mircea_popescu: da fuck is this jersey thing

15:52:47 ThickAsThieves: lolz https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=339417.msg7658308#msg7658308

15:52:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] (HIF) Havelock Investments Fund

15:54:29 mthreat: kakobrekla: the cron was running once per day, I just updated it to run once per hour

15:54:30 jurov: TAT good one

15:55:33 kakobrekla: thats generous of you mthreat , thanks

15:56:40 mthreat: kakobrekla: np, it's very lightweight and fast.. we could make it real-time if we wanted, but probably not necessary

15:57:03 benkay: ;;later tell hanbot by choosing bets that, as best can be determined, will be open for around a month at the least. // learned that one myself heh

15:57:03 gribble: The operation succeeded.

16:00:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.69933066 BTC to 11`366 shares, 14951 satoshi per share

16:01:00 kakobrekla: i agree, although we started daily and it now is hourly, in a year, perhaps we will look for our next line on search

16:02:24 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla YOU HAD PROMISED ME MY LINES IN SEARCH

16:02:27 mircea_popescu: how long is this going to take!!

16:02:58 kakobrekla: i know email doesnt have a ban, but i think irc does?

16:03:07 mircea_popescu: https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fs17.postimg.org%2F51tx306hb%2FCapture.jpg&t=541&c=bf37IGAdaIoDqA << ahahha nice one ThickAsThieves

16:03:26 kakobrekla: lol

16:03:38 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: secretary << that wasn't about secretary. that was 'секретутка' - 'secretute'

16:03:53 mircea_popescu: lol sekretutka

16:04:01 asciilifeform: standard term. ask anyone.

16:04:13 mircea_popescu: but you see, that was mostly because of the ban on contraception.

16:04:20 mircea_popescu: people needed to get other people's wives in their harem.

16:05:39 mircea_popescu: hey lambchop, if you're reading this : i've had enough entertainment i'm willing to pay. pick any bitbet you want, i'll put 1 btc in your name on the side of your choice. lemme know.

16:05:55 asciilifeform: stalin died, condoms appeared, marriage as SOP didn't really start to sink till the '90s (ussr)

16:06:31 mircea_popescu: wait what ? that last bit ?

16:06:51 asciilifeform: people still saw it as 'the thing to do'

16:07:05 asciilifeform: culture dies slowly

16:07:24 mircea_popescu: o to sink. i read "sink in"

16:07:28 mircea_popescu: complete dissonance

16:07:32 asciilifeform: lol

16:07:50 mircea_popescu: i was like... what sort of tatar tribe from 1700 did this guy grow up with

16:10:14 benkay: mircea_popescu: who's lambchop?

16:10:23 mircea_popescu: the guy with the graph

16:10:31 mircea_popescu: tat linked his post above

16:11:27 benkay: hm

16:11:54 benkay: in other news, i'm looking at wireframes and user experience jibberjabber for a biggish home automation project

16:11:57 mircea_popescu: random factoid of the day : mongols used to call themselves "tata". the chinese called them daddy. that's the origin of the term, in all its permutations, big daddy and what have you.

16:11:57 jurov: lol sekretutka .. here sexretardka catched on instead

16:12:28 mircea_popescu: jurov does that also connote she's slow & thick ?

16:12:43 jurov: no, just pretty but retarded

16:13:03 mircea_popescu: well yes. both slow and thick mean dumb :). however, slow is a good fuck and thick a good ass, so...

16:13:09 mircea_popescu: trying my hand at this entire lyricism thing.

16:13:16 benkay: god save us all

16:13:56 jurov: benkay, save yourself

16:14:03 benkay: i'm already doomed

16:14:18 mp_as_god: no homo, bro.

16:14:44 mircea_popescu: actually

16:15:18 mp_as_god: how the fuck do you reg and add nicks again ?

16:15:29 benkay: eregister

16:15:42 kakobrekla: no, he wants /nickserv help

16:15:50 benkay: hurr services

16:15:52 mp_as_god: im such a noob ;/

16:16:18 jurov: /msg nickserv group mircea_popescu

16:16:22 jurov: oops wrong window

16:16:26 mircea_popescu: ty

16:16:29 BingoBoingo: moiety: ntrly

16:17:07 mircea_popescu: holy shit i own ##buttcoin

16:17:12 mircea_popescu: and #nude

16:17:27 mircea_popescu: ok this is pretty cool.

16:17:33 ThickAsThieves: Dow broke 17k

16:17:41 ThickAsThieves: champagne for all!

16:17:49 mircea_popescu: lol.

16:18:43 jurov: where are we in the 1930's script again?

16:19:04 ThickAsThieves: we blew past it! no chance of crash anymore1

16:19:28 chetty: Berkeley Requires Marijuana Dispensaries To Provide Free Weed For Low-Income Patients

16:19:31 BingoBoingo: <chetty> you know I wonder if these people that go on about various online bets argue with dealers at the blackjack table? << of course these people know what a casino is, it's the place they learned how to fly through a door

16:19:51 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2014#741565 <<< ahahaha bashed

16:19:51 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

16:20:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32400 @ 0.00081992 = 26.5654 BTC [+] {3}

16:20:10 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves permanently elevated plateau i say!

16:20:34 mircea_popescu: chetty lmao.

16:20:49 FabianB: $traded

16:20:50 empyex: FabianB: Traded in last 24 hours: S.MPOE

16:21:21 penguirker: New blog post: http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-femfanon/

16:21:34 ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves permanently elevated plateau i say! /// such progress.

16:22:07 mircea_popescu: Virginia High Schooler Threatens Suicide, Police Arrive and Kill Him

16:22:07 mircea_popescu: ?Why would you shoot a child that is suicidal? You are there to save him, not finish him off.?

16:22:08 mircea_popescu: ahahah

16:23:36 ThickAsThieves: "Christian was shot an unknown number of times by a Purcellville police officer"

16:23:44 ThickAsThieves: too many bullet holes to count i guess

16:23:50 ThickAsThieves: or counting no longer taught

16:24:25 mircea_popescu: pankkake: if it's what I understand (being paid bitcoins not fiat) << pretty cool actually.

16:24:35 jurov: he threatened the officer with suicide? i see

16:24:35 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves "more than three"

16:24:45 mircea_popescu: jurov no, he disobeyed!!1

16:25:05 mircea_popescu: you gotta keep in mind we're discussing this country where they have rooms where if anyone screams "freeze" all the adults just.. freeze

16:25:06 asciilifeform: 'unknown number of times' << empty magazine in the end

16:25:08 mircea_popescu: well... "adults".

16:25:22 ThickAsThieves: On Tuesday, a misunderstanding between two armed men in a convenience store in Georgia led to one man drawing his gun and being arrested on the first day of the “guns everywhere” law.

16:25:56 ThickAsThieves: guncentralize all the things!

16:26:52 asciilifeform: whatever happened to shootouts being held in specially-designated places.

16:27:15 mircea_popescu: what is this law ?

16:28:34 ThickAsThieves: Georgia’s new gun rules kicked in Tuesday, allowing residents to carry firearms into bars, nightclubs, classrooms and government buildings in a measure slammed by anti-weapon activists as a “dangerous kill bill.”

16:28:53 mircea_popescu: http://shrani.si/f/2L/xi/lRh7miy/customer.png << ahahah "but it is fast". epic.

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16:28:55 mircea_popescu: !b 1

16:30:27 ThickAsThieves: mp what's your view on PAMM accounts?

16:30:38 ThickAsThieves: or anyone

16:30:41 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i tell you honestly that's like the best customer support i've seen to date. you make me fucking proud.

16:30:52 mircea_popescu: i'm buying you a beer next we meet.

16:30:58 kakobrekla: lol.

16:31:33 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves it's a great idea in theory whose greatness in practice depends on not being used.

16:31:43 ThickAsThieves: i dont like them but i cant articulate exactly why

16:32:07 ThickAsThieves: just the sheepness i guess

16:32:32 mircea_popescu: it'll prolly work fine for as long as a very small fraction of trades are done this way.

16:32:51 mircea_popescu: but as it becomes popular, it also becomes dangerous.

16:33:15 mircea_popescu: take just one model of an avenue of attack. suppose i have a known bitbet address, which is up 20% to date.

16:33:20 mircea_popescu: suppose bitbet implements pamm betting.

16:33:33 mircea_popescu: suppose i notice that any 5 btc i bet is followed by 20 btc in pamm bets.

16:33:59 mircea_popescu: suppose i bet 5 btc on "mp has three heads", then turn around and put 100 on the other side.

16:34:07 mircea_popescu: do the people pamming me have 2k btc ready ?

16:34:22 ThickAsThieves: thx

16:34:24 ThickAsThieves: that all helps

16:35:11 mircea_popescu: noob traders generally don't understand that the trinity is price, volume, volatility.

16:35:16 mircea_popescu: they just look at price

16:35:40 ThickAsThieves: indeed, so far, volume is the hardest thing for me to work with

16:36:00 ThickAsThieves: bitcoin may be volatile, but it isnt like you can just unload 100btc at any price you target

16:36:10 mircea_popescu: now that depends.

16:36:24 mircea_popescu: bitcoin is opaque, otc-driven on top of all of it.

16:40:14 thestringpuller: wtf is circle?

16:41:54 ThickAsThieves: vaporbank

16:42:18 ThickAsThieves: circle is now doing a little media trolling to get attention

16:42:45 ThickAsThieves: then they will release "free" bitocin purchasing

16:44:11 mircea_popescu: aren't they basically the start-up predicated on the notion that square made simple geometric shapes bankable ?

16:44:49 benkay: hey who's the blogger doing really great mining analysis?

16:44:55 benkay: voice of some greek or something?

16:44:56 BingoBoingo: %t

16:44:57 atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 200 Ask: 229 Last Price: 200 24h-Vol: 38k High: 229 Low: 199 VWAP: 213

16:45:00 ThickAsThieves: organofcorti

16:45:06 benkay: thanks ThickAsThieves

16:45:07 mircea_popescu: !s organofcorti

16:45:08 assbot: 5 results for 'organofcorti' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=organofcorti

16:45:08 mircea_popescu: damn

16:45:22 pankkake: square?

16:45:44 ThickAsThieves: https://squareup.com/

16:45:45 assbot: Accept Credit Cards From An iPhone, Android or iPad - Square

16:46:22 ThickAsThieves: Circle is kinda like US Neo I guess

16:46:34 benkay: aren't they due to fold sometime this or next quarter?

16:46:54 pankkake: it's not even square, it's a rounded square… http://i.imgur.com/xUXEP5g.png SCAM

16:47:15 ThickAsThieves: a warmer safer square

16:47:43 mircea_popescu: Goldman Sachs filed with the New York Supreme Court, requesting "emergency relief" to avoid a privacy violation and "avoid the risk of unnecessary reputational damage to Goldman Sachs."

16:47:48 mircea_popescu: what does "unnecessary" mean in this context ?

16:47:58 pankkake: as Gronibard would say, Il est pas carré, il est pas rond, il est ovale mon trou de balle

16:48:00 mircea_popescu: seems to me it's god damned necessary, people should stop hiring phantomcircuit

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16:48:29 BingoBoingo: !b 4

16:48:31 ThickAsThieves: it's also funny that it's "avoid the risk of"

16:48:32 mircea_popescu: pankkake shit's gotta be rounded, otherwise children could who knows, give themselves a new cunt on the corners of the thing

16:48:40 mircea_popescu: and sue you for unnecessary feminisation.

16:49:06 ThickAsThieves: sue all the risk!

16:49:25 mircea_popescu: pankkake are these the nude doods ?

16:49:30 benkay: so okay i don't know anything about finance and i have a question

16:49:48 pankkake: they are rarely fully clothed in concert

16:50:18 benkay: so a bond market is in a bubble if there is lots of demand for the bonds, allowing the issuer to issue for less money.

16:50:23 benkay: lower interest.

16:50:30 benkay: okay i get it thank you for your assistance.

16:50:50 mircea_popescu: yw.

16:51:11 mircea_popescu: do you understand how bonds are priced, for that matter ?

16:51:36 benkay: let's say no - i'm sure i'll learn something useful.

16:51:49 benkay: everything i know about bond pricing comes from MPBOR

16:51:53 benkay: which...

16:51:53 mircea_popescu: ok, so i issue series A, 1 btc bonds paying 1 bitcent/month for 2 years.

16:51:58 mircea_popescu: how much is a series A worth atm ?

16:52:15 benkay: 1 B + tvoB?

16:52:21 mircea_popescu: yes.

16:52:33 mircea_popescu: now, i issue series B, 1 btc bonds paying 5 bitcents/month for 1 year.

16:52:37 mircea_popescu: what is the value of A now ?

16:53:00 benkay: less?

16:53:10 benkay: because the available interest rate has gone up?

16:53:12 mircea_popescu: 1 b+ tvoB(A) - tvoB(B)

16:53:18 benkay: sweet.

16:53:20 mircea_popescu: provided ideal liquidity etc.

16:53:26 benkay: right right

16:53:39 mircea_popescu: it's a very schematic model, but for the basics : if yields go up low yield older bonds are worth less

16:53:53 mircea_popescu: so bonds being worth less really means the market's going to shit for the issuer. such as you know, default looming or w/e

16:54:10 mircea_popescu: if yields go down, everyone's old bonds expand on the books

16:54:13 benkay: making all the old treasuries on all the US banks' books worth less, making them more depending on further bailouts?

16:54:21 mircea_popescu: which is why fake low yields are so important for the us financials atm :

16:54:24 benkay: more dependent*

16:54:33 mircea_popescu: their balance sheets consist entirely of worthless paper that has to be overvalued.

16:54:56 mircea_popescu: tyhis has the disadvantage that it bubbles up the stock exchange and (again) real estate

16:55:02 mircea_popescu: but they don't perceive they have options.

16:55:49 mike_c: the fed isn't the sole buyer, they aren't entirely fake. there are others with vested interest in keeping us propped up.

16:56:04 mircea_popescu: for the purposes of the macro discussion those others are the fed.

16:56:14 mircea_popescu: all the byzantine generals serving the same camp ARE in that camp,

16:56:27 mike_c: china = fed? how so?

16:56:31 mircea_popescu: irrespective of their motivations, whether they're there cause they're trying to fuck a guy's daughter or becaue they're drunk

16:57:00 mircea_popescu: i think equating the part of china propping the us currently with china is at best naive.

16:57:30 mike_c: hm. interesting. cuz the part of china doing the propping is also delusional?

16:57:37 mircea_popescu: china has a long history of making horrid public investments. that there's currently a china fed does not realy commit china

16:57:49 mircea_popescu: any more than all the uninhabited towns they built. they got scratch to waste.

16:58:23 mircea_popescu: it's not delusional, per se. it's just that china is large. when you're that large, spitting in every vessel isn't particularly noteworthy.

16:58:32 mircea_popescu: sure you got drowned in spit, but they didn't mean anything by it.

16:58:32 thestringpuller: ghost cities...

16:59:27 mike_c: http://usawatchdog.com/fed-laundering-treasury-purchases-in-belgium-to-disguise-whats-happening-paul-craig-roberts/

16:59:31 benkay: ;;gettrust freeroute

16:59:31 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user freeroute: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=freeroute | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=freeroute | Rated since: Tue Apr 2 18:13:09 2013

16:59:54 mircea_popescu: mike_c for instance.,

17:01:15 mircea_popescu: looking forward to the "cash-basis bond evaluation" becoming a thing with us banks.

17:01:32 mircea_popescu: where if you have 100 btc at 1% while the yields atr 0.5% you book a 200 btc passive.

17:01:49 benkay: wat

17:01:54 mircea_popescu: then if you need 1k btc to cover your profile you just take yields to 0.1%. or w/e, 0.00001% if need be.

17:02:34 mircea_popescu: benkay if one's in the business of making money out of nothing, one's stuck doing it.

17:03:34 thestringpuller: is it really out of nothing?

17:03:51 Apocalyptic: it is

17:04:26 thestringpuller: but BTC doesn't come from nothing...

17:04:47 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller i was using btc as a unit of account stylistically, to underline the lulz that is fiat.

17:04:51 pankkake: you sound like a socialist! faceless globalized finance is money out of money!

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17:04:59 benkay: !b 1

17:08:12 thestringpuller: socialism will save us all tho!

17:08:32 thestringpuller: how will the underprivilaged be able to live without socialism?

17:08:36 BingoBoingo: OMG Under 200 Life nao!!! https://atc.waroflife.com/gow/11/

17:08:37 assbot: War of Life - Cellular automaton to the death!

17:09:15 mircea_popescu: wow what a blowout

17:09:35 mircea_popescu: incredible.

17:09:44 BingoBoingo: Irony is it seems some of the most damaging things to life's cause were... Life Bombs

17:10:16 mircea_popescu: funny how that works huh

17:10:19 mike_c: that is the biggest domination i have ever seen, and i've watched a lot of these.

17:10:20 mircea_popescu: just like irl!

17:10:21 benkay: i do not understand this thing that you've done, mike_c .

17:10:29 mircea_popescu: mike_c i was thinking, i didn't even know this shit was possible.

17:11:43 mike_c: benkay: it is a secret plot to give bingo all the ATC

17:13:06 jurov: mike_c i don't like how it shows trending behavior from start to finish on most of the games

17:13:20 benkay: ugh open markets are about as stochastically bouncy a thing as i want my money anywhere near

17:13:34 mike_c: jurov: your most is a very small sample size

17:13:52 jurov: ic

17:14:04 mircea_popescu: benkay this has the advantage that it's a provably fair stochastic process.

17:14:08 mircea_popescu: markets do not have that.

17:14:20 mircea_popescu: you try to ensure it by calling them "open", but alas...

17:15:37 benkay: yeah but in the open market i can say things like 'o hey mpoe will probably be worth quite a bit in the future." and play based on that.

17:15:54 mircea_popescu: right. specifically because it's not provably fair :)

17:16:11 benkay: i like my edges, and i like them sharp.

17:17:11 BingoBoingo: benkay: In that case your chance to buy is before the game starts

17:17:34 mircea_popescu: much like bitbet, there's ways to have edges here too. mostly on the vol/vol angle i guess

17:18:55 benkay: i'm not an oddsmaker, guys. i make like one trade every six months and sit the fuck on top of it.

17:19:12 mircea_popescu: we could say you trade like a girl ?

17:19:27 benkay: well, that'd be one trade every ten months :D

17:19:45 mircea_popescu: lol

17:19:49 benkay: and besides i don't 'trade'.

17:20:39 benkay: Mr. Market, etc.

17:24:54 *: asciilifeform 'Mr. Market' << imagines a webtv-like konsoomer appliance for idiots to 'trade' on

17:25:33 *: asciilifeform surprised the various chumpatronic engineers who push 'amazing! web based stock trading' crud haven't come out with one yet

17:25:33 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

17:25:36 benkay: if i read the parable correctly, Mr. Market is the idiots en aggregate.

17:26:15 kakobrekla: just you wait ascii.

17:26:54 asciilifeform: it'll ship some time after the u.s. gov.-issued, mandatory hardware btc wallet.

17:28:02 asciilifeform: 'supports FaceCoin, TaxCoin, and even Bitcoin! (TaxCoin surcharge applies to all transactions, see manual.)'

17:30:02 mircea_popescu: actually i'm kind-of surprised nobody has yet made a bitcoind/bitcoin-qt which takes a few out of every tx and sends it to author.

17:30:13 mircea_popescu: trivial change to make.

17:30:49 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nobody << not exactly. i have a proof-of-concept patch for the winblows client that does this.

17:30:59 asciilifeform: (100% though. does that count?)

17:31:04 BingoBoingo: The multibit authors are explicitly moving to this model now

17:31:09 mike_c: call it the tx fee in the UI, and don't actually pay tx fee (or reduced fee). difference goes to author.

17:31:16 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform shouldn't be 100%, should be more like w/e vat is

17:31:26 mircea_popescu: mike_c no, call it tax in the ui.

17:31:39 mircea_popescu: difference goes to having "duly authorised" badge to show.

17:31:44 asciilifeform: 100% is the correct winblows tax rate.

17:32:15 mircea_popescu: On the steep drop in GDP growth of a paltry .1% in the first quarter, Dr. Roberts says, ?What I find most amusing about this is they had to claim some real growth in the first quarter; so, they eked out .1%. Now we know they got that by rigging the inflation number they used to deflate the gross domestic product (GDP). The real GDP in the first quarter, properly deflated, was negative and probably also in the fourt

17:32:16 mircea_popescu: h quarter. Most likely, this coming quarter, they are not going to be able to hide the fact that it is negative. . . . I am convinced the first quarter was negative, and I don?t see how it could possibly go positive in the second quarter.?

17:32:30 mircea_popescu: where did all the guys that used to argue with me about the fakeness of usg published figures go!

17:32:35 mircea_popescu: it's so lonely nao.

17:32:52 asciilifeform: at some point people lose interest - how many people cared about soviet stats ?

17:33:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11646 @ 0.00081916 = 9.5399 BTC [-]

17:33:22 mircea_popescu: yeah.

17:34:07 mircea_popescu: On the Ukraine crisis, Dr. Roberts says, ?I think Washington badly miscalculated this whole Ukraine business. It was an act of hubris, arrogance and stupidity. They are mad at Russia for blocking their attack on Syria and blocking their attack on Iran. They said ?we?ll teach them.? We?ll give them trouble in their own backyard and not to get in our way anymore.? The threat of sanctions has made the Russ

17:34:07 mircea_popescu: ians realize the dollar system is not in their interest, and they are going to leave it. . . . If any significant part of the world stops using the dollar, the price of the dollar falls because demand for dollars falls, and the import cost for America would rise. When you see how import dependent we are, it would mean a substantial rise in the real cost of living for most Americans.?

17:34:24 mircea_popescu: this paul craig roberts guy gets it somehow.

17:34:40 asciilifeform: 'But actually, he thought as he re-adjusted the Ministry of Plenty's figures, it was not even forgery. It was merely the substitution of one piece of nonsense for another. Most of the material that you were dealing with had no connexion with anything in the real world, not even the kind of connexion that is contained in a direct lie. Statistics were just as much a fantasy in their original version as in their re

17:34:40 asciilifeform: ctified version. A great deal of the time you were expected to make them up out of your head. For example, the Ministry of Plenty's forecast had estimated the output of boots for the quarter at 145 million pairs. The actual output was given as sixty-two millions. Winston, however, in rewriting the forecast, marked the figure down to fifty-seven millions, so as to allow for the usual claim that the quota had been

17:34:41 asciilifeform: overfulfilled. In any case, sixty-two millions was no nearer the truth than fifty-seven millions, or than 145 millions. Very likely no boots had been produced at all. Likelier still, nobody knew how many had been produced, much less cared. All one knew was that every quarter astronomical numbers of boots were produced on paper, while perhaps half the population of Oceania went barefoot.'

17:34:51 asciilifeform: ('1984' obviously)

17:35:13 mircea_popescu: http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/pages/donate/

17:35:14 assbot: Donate - PaulCraigRoberts.org

17:35:16 mircea_popescu: look at that shit eh.

17:35:48 mircea_popescu: http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/contact/ << people need to get fucking rid of contact forms.

17:35:48 assbot: Contact - PaulCraigRoberts.org

17:36:00 benkay: why isn't he running ads?

17:36:02 mircea_popescu: i have no idea how could one be more offensively impolite than making a contact page and then putting in a form.

17:36:15 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: spam control.

17:36:32 mircea_popescu: spam control that manages to offend me has failed.

17:37:27 mike_c: um, do you find it offensive if the form is just an option? alongside other contact info?

17:38:09 mircea_popescu: no.

17:43:32 pankkake: forms suck, because there are standard tools to write to people and you can't use them

17:43:44 BingoBoingo: ^ this

17:43:46 pankkake: and you won't have a copy of your sent message in your email client, etc.

17:44:00 mircea_popescu: that ^

17:45:07 mike_c: and yet can be a convience in some situations. which is why i like having multiple options.

17:45:33 mike_c: convenience

17:45:56 mircea_popescu: nobody's offended at plurality you know ?

17:46:28 mike_c: some people are anti-choice :)

17:47:25 mircea_popescu: lol good one

17:47:29 mircea_popescu: !up Dalrymple

17:48:15 Dalrymple: Good evening Gentlemen

17:48:18 mircea_popescu: heya.

17:48:47 Dalrymple: Just stumbled over your blog today and thought I'd say hello here

17:48:48 mircea_popescu: so today being a week since S.WOL floated, mike and i each got 2`250`000 shares deposited.

17:48:54 asciilifeform: Dalrymple: fan of the actual Dalrymple ? or the man himself

17:48:59 mircea_popescu: well hello here.

17:49:06 mircea_popescu: ima brb in a few mins.

17:49:06 Dalrymple: Just a fan

17:49:24 asciilifeform: ;;google theodore dalrymple

17:49:24 gribble: Theodore Dalrymple - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Dalrymple; The Skeptical Doctor | Dedicated to the work of Theodore Dalrymple: http://www.skepticaldoctor.com/; Theodore Dalrymple - City Journal: http://www.city-journal.org/author_index.php?author=47

17:49:28 asciilifeform: ^ for the uninitiated

17:49:44 Dalrymple: The man himself prefers antique books to computers

17:50:43 Dalrymple: I've been doing some research and am considering buying a coin since it seems from what I have read the price is due to go up soon

17:51:26 Dalrymple: I am totally new to this but it seems like a pretty secure investment

17:51:49 benkay: nobody in here's going to argue that btc are a bad buy, even at 5k/each.

17:51:58 benkay: unless *wave hands* market conditions.

17:52:29 Dalrymple: I can buy at £338

17:53:02 asciilifeform: Dalrymple: so long as you don't expect the exchange rate to increase monotonically - sure, buy.

17:54:14 benkay: ;;ticker --currency gbp

17:54:16 gribble: Bitstamp BTCGBP ticker | Best bid: 375.78431, Best ask: 376.5597, Bid-ask spread: 0.77539, Last trade: 376.61217, 24 hour volume: 4477.02275443, 24 hour low: 373.703, 24 hour high: 383.75392, 24 hour vwap: 378.413376961

17:54:41 benkay: sounds like a good deal, Dalrymple - what's your outlet?

17:55:24 Dalrymple: bitbargian.co.uk

17:57:35 benkay: fascinating.

17:58:22 mike_c: ;;google site:www.thedrinkingrecord.com counterparty risk

17:58:22 gribble: A Reminder – The Most Important Word in Bitcoin, Again because Gox: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/02/25/a-reminder-the-most-important-word-in-bitcoin-again-because-gox/; Anti-Bitcoin "Bitcoin Apps" Part 3: Gliph in particular (Updated ...: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2013/09/26/anti-bitcoin-bitcoin-apps-part-3-gliph-in-particular/; Why Fractional Reserve Can't Work in (1 more message)

17:58:56 Dalrymple: It's funny actually, I have capital to spare on something like this due to finally receiving unpaid wages from my last job. I was working in a computer repair shop -

17:59:42 Dalrymple: The boss was a disgusting she-prole who I later learned is a drug dealer, she was trying to get me in on it - ordering LCD panels from China to use on indoor maurijuana crops

18:00:01 asciilifeform: lcd panels ?!

18:00:06 asciilifeform: for lighting?

18:00:08 Dalrymple: Lol - sorry LED

18:00:27 benkay: http://www.thetwoweeker.com/blog/

18:00:27 assbot: Blog The Two Weeker

18:00:50 Dalrymple: She was trying to get me in on it without initially revealing what the panels were for, luckily I left before I got involved

18:07:19 benkay: http://redsymbol.net/articles/does-it-take-money-to-make-money/

18:07:19 assbot: Does it take money to make money?

18:08:14 benkay: http://www.itex.com/

18:08:16 assbot: ITEX - a small business community and barter network

18:08:19 benkay: https://www.bizx.com/

18:08:22 assbot: BizX

18:08:23 benkay: SPAMZOR THURSDAY

18:08:33 benkay: where's ninjashogun when you really need to make a point...

18:08:49 dignork: Dalrymple: £338 is below market value, your chances of getting scammed are high

18:10:29 Dalrymple: Thanks, that site was the first one I came across, so obviously I will have a proper look around for verified sites before I buy anything

18:10:37 benkay: you might try...cash.

18:11:30 dignork: Dalrymple: there are sellers in #bitcoin-otc, if you want I can give you some minimal instructions

18:11:40 ThickAsThieves: now GS is recommending post-earnings Calls

18:11:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7222 @ 0.00081563 = 5.8905 BTC [-]

18:12:06 ThickAsThieves: for NFLX*

18:12:42 ThickAsThieves: niggas wont let up

18:13:06 Dalrymple: Thanks dignork, that would be appreciated

18:16:01 benkay: http://pamelaclark.tumblr.com/post/87113711124/35-practical-tools-for-men-to-further-feminist

18:16:02 assbot: Pamela Clark - 35 Practical Tools for Men to Further Feminist Revolution

18:16:14 benkay: Do 50% (or more) of housework. // or pay for it to get done?

18:16:27 benkay: Do 50% (or more) of emotional support work in your intimate relationships and friendships. // except i don't have emotions

18:17:01 benkay: When a woman tells you something is sexist, believe her.

18:17:13 benkay: // don't ask for clarification, or other difficult questions. that's sexist.

18:18:14 pankkake: !up Dalrymple

18:19:44 ThickAsThieves: If she is “nagging,” you are probably lagging.

18:20:14 ThickAsThieves: Inject feminism into your daily conversations with other men.

18:20:24 ThickAsThieves: gj benkay!

18:22:26 Dalrymple: Yet if a man acted like this the feminists would accuse him of "mansplaining", which proves that they are capable of irritating portmanteaus but oblivious to their own hypocrisy

18:23:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7950 @ 0.00081563 = 6.4843 BTC [-]

18:24:06 chetty: omg would you guys stop with the feminist garbage! just shot them all and get done with it

18:25:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.20199991 = 1.01 BTC [-] {2}

18:25:09 ThickAsThieves: plenty holes as is!

18:25:43 chetty: jajajaja

18:25:51 Dalrymple: Gunshot wounds do not a competent sandwich maker make

18:26:07 kakobrekla: <Dalrymple> The boss was a disgusting she-prole who I later learned is a drug dealer, she was trying to get me in on it - ordering LCD panels from China < you can get addicted to ordering panels from china!?

18:26:16 *: kakobrekla will never visit ebay again.

18:26:29 mircea_popescu: prole drug dealer ?!

18:26:44 Dalrymple: She's using the led panels to grow weed

18:26:55 kakobrekla: yes yes but where is the addiction part

18:27:02 kakobrekla: without addiction selling drugs is meh

18:28:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19200 @ 0.00081563 = 15.6601 BTC [-]

18:28:38 ThickAsThieves: will you settle for habit-forming?

18:28:49 Dalrymple: Weed has a high profit margin, which probably increases in proportion to the crapness of tv and the sugar content of junk food

18:29:23 kakobrekla: lol tat, not much to go on.

18:29:59 mircea_popescu: you can actually grow weed by lcd panels ?

18:30:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19304 @ 0.00081479 = 15.7287 BTC [-] {3}

18:30:10 benkay: led panels, mircea_popescu

18:30:12 kakobrekla: well yes you can

18:30:15 ThickAsThieves: 10 Examples of Decentralized Art

18:30:25 kakobrekla: but its gonna be shit.

18:30:35 mircea_popescu: o nm my bad

18:30:43 kakobrekla: (i do NOT mean the hashish)

18:30:58 mircea_popescu: led to avoiud the high energy consumption police screen for sort of thing ?

18:31:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.03699 = 0.7398 BTC [-]

18:31:13 Dalrymple: Yep

18:31:14 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: heat.

18:31:40 mircea_popescu: that too

18:31:48 mircea_popescu: i thought they liked high heat/high humidity no ?

18:31:51 mircea_popescu: just spray water.

18:32:09 asciilifeform: u.s. police were officially forbidden from using thermovisors, but afaik still do (why the hell not)

18:32:37 Dalrymple: I think she might have been selling some of the panels too

18:32:38 mircea_popescu: im pretty sure utilities are required to report the top 5% iirc it was consumers in dormitory neighbourhoods.

18:33:08 mircea_popescu: so why bother with thermovisors

18:33:14 asciilifeform: ;;google bitcoin miner marijuana

18:33:15 gribble: Report: Police Confuse Bitcoin Miner's Power Use for Growing Weed: http://techland.time.com/2011/05/23/report-police-confuse-bitcoin-miners-power-use-for-weed-grow-op/; Bitcoin miners busted? Police confuse bitcoin power usage for pot ...: http://blogs.computerworld.com/18335/bitcoin_miners_busted_police_confuse_bitcoin_power_usage_for_pot_farm; Why Would Police Confuse (1 more message)

18:33:15 mircea_popescu: might as well forbid them "for privacy"

18:33:17 kakobrekla: easy workaround is to steal power. it goes unnoticed in urban areas.

18:33:38 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla stolen and dependable. pick three.

18:33:43 Dalrymple: In the UK a lot of people are caught due to stealing power

18:34:27 kakobrekla: i know for a fact that they lose megawatts in the air here

18:34:34 kakobrekla: and they dont give fuck for losing a few kw

18:34:56 Dalrymple: It's not something I'd ever want to do, and the people who do it often get violently extorted if they aren't caught by the police

18:35:46 Dalrymple: I met one person who would look for gullibles and offer to loan them some equipment and oversee their grow, it meant he'd get a cut and it wouldn't take place on his property, also he knew the connects to sell it in bulk

18:35:55 chetty: we all have different ideas on which laws are worth breaking

18:36:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 190 @ 0.03306369 = 6.2821 BTC [-] {14}

18:36:15 kakobrekla: different things work in different places

18:36:40 ThickAsThieves: Dalrymple obv a dealer

18:36:44 Dalrymple: Lol

18:36:47 mircea_popescu: oh nice can i play ?

18:36:49 mircea_popescu: different phone numbers have different amounts in them

18:36:50 kakobrekla: go 500km south of here, you can bribe any cop for anything

18:37:02 mircea_popescu: ;;google where is 500km south of somalia

18:37:03 gribble: Clashes at a Somali border town leaves 10 dead - News ...: http://www.africareview.com/News/Clashes-at-a-Somali-border-town-left-10-dead/-/979180/2315350/-/jmxylxz/-/index.html; 10 killed in Somali border clashes - News - africareview.com: http://www.africareview.com/News/Ten-killed-in-Somali-border-clashes/-/979180/2314660/-/ahh89g/-/index.html; December | 2013 | (1 more message)

18:37:05 kakobrekla: here, noone dares.

18:37:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.03513656 = 0.527 BTC [+] {3}

18:37:26 ThickAsThieves: 500m south is ocean, no?

18:37:48 mircea_popescu: oh, ocean cops ? i hear bad things about their sirens.

18:37:58 kakobrekla: meh fuck you trolls.

18:38:33 ThickAsThieves: ah, i see, it's madagascar

18:38:34 ThickAsThieves: til

18:38:35 mircea_popescu: where is that sketch

18:38:53 mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejGQ5oIuP9c

18:38:53 assbot: Monty Python - Airplane Hijack - YouTube

18:39:36 ThickAsThieves: did they ever find that Malaysian plane?

18:41:01 mircea_popescu: yeah. it was hidden in neobee's real world brick and mortar airplane warehouse

18:42:54 ThickAsThieves: zeroblock made a random neo tweet today

18:43:12 ThickAsThieves: https://twitter.com/zeroblock/status/484725454343913472

18:43:13 assbot: Danny Brewster (NEO&BEE) rumored to be in Larnaca, Greece by post office worker https://t.co/bos2fyOzAM

18:43:33 ThickAsThieves: points to forum, some dude saying he got Danny's Gox Bankruptcy mail

18:44:00 mircea_popescu: interesting.

18:45:13 punkman: Larnaca is in Cyprus

18:45:15 ThickAsThieves: yep

18:45:25 ThickAsThieves: it's where the airport is

18:45:46 asciilifeform: from the loltron: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-03/expropriation-back-christine-lagarde-most-dangerous-woman-world

18:45:46 assbot: Expropriation Is Back - Is Christine Lagarde The Most Dangerous Woman In The World? | Zero Hedge

18:47:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00081655 = 8.2472 BTC [+] {2}

18:47:53 mircea_popescu: i wasn't aware it had ever left.

18:48:56 benkay: !up Dalrymple

18:51:42 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2011/vizualizarea-datelor-market-depth-pentru-bitcoini/

18:51:43 assbot: Vizualizarea datelor : Market depth pentru bitcoini pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

18:51:50 mircea_popescu: this 2011 article has like... 2011 prices in it :D

18:52:36 mircea_popescu: still the best mkt depth visualisation there is imo

18:57:31 benkay: i think i'm going to get a "don't tread on me" tattoo

18:57:52 benkay: probably just the snake.

18:58:18 benkay: also this: http://www.revolutionary-war.net/image-files/deic-logo.png

19:01:39 mircea_popescu: wassat ?

19:01:55 mircea_popescu: o nm.

19:01:58 mircea_popescu: get it in gold ink!

19:02:18 benkay: my skin's not dark enough for that to look at all good

19:02:33 benkay: i am a swarthy boy, but not actually black.

19:02:44 benkay: actually i'm not even swarthy.

19:03:01 benkay: just well-tanned.

19:03:13 benkay: "In short, Italian men are swarthy. And when someone says that, it's usually not with a shudder, but a shiver.

19:03:14 benkay: "

19:03:19 benkay: oh, babes.

19:03:27 mircea_popescu: so get a black guy and get the tattoo on him.

19:03:29 benkay: http://forum.wordreference.com/showthread.php?t=462574

19:03:30 assbot: Swarthy: offensive or not? - WordReference Forums

19:03:36 benkay: hey thestringpuller lets get you inked

19:05:17 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller is black ?!

19:05:48 mircea_popescu: "We American women think of the swarthy type as a dark-skinned (not black), exotic, intense type of man."

19:05:50 benkay: probably doing pomodoros, ping him louder

19:05:57 mircea_popescu: dude lmao. "we american women" ? who's this lol

19:06:13 benkay: hello_this_is_dog.png

19:07:08 mircea_popescu: more like this-is-retarded-bitch-hour

19:07:51 kakobrekla: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=637928.msg7661602#msg7661602

19:07:51 assbot: Evaluating Havelock securities performances

19:07:53 kakobrekla: gold.

19:08:43 kakobrekla: >(gold, real estate, bread, hookers, all would be better measures of value over time than Bitcoin)

19:08:52 kakobrekla: because hookers cant be printed.

19:09:09 kakobrekla: (not yet, at least)

19:09:35 asciilifeform: hookerchain prevents this.

19:09:40 kakobrekla: lol

19:11:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13850 @ 0.00081421 = 11.2768 BTC [-] {2}

19:14:38 mircea_popescu: so "the community" of bagholders posing as bitcoin people is getting vocal ?

19:14:38 penguirker: New blog post: http://fraudsters.com/2014/mpoe-may-2014-and-july-2014-combined-statement/

19:15:40 benkay: sales fee creeping up on account fee.

19:16:34 mike_c: uh

19:16:42 mike_c: "may and july" -> "may and june"?

19:17:04 mircea_popescu: drat

19:18:36 mircea_popescu: your creative accounting

19:18:36 mircea_popescu: You mean the same accounting that is used by every single financial regulatory agency in the world?

19:18:53 mircea_popescu: lmao that fuckwit seriously has the gall to argue4 that stealing people's bitcoins over time is okay ?

19:18:56 mircea_popescu: ;;rated ognasty

19:18:56 gribble: You rated user ognasty on Fri Jun 13 17:07:59 2014, with a rating of -1, and supplied these additional notes: pirate shill ; currently running a security that made a 60% loss over two years. a fine example of the scum that unwarrantedly imagines itself somehow part of Bitcoin..

19:19:02 mircea_popescu: mkay.

19:20:04 asciilifeform: !up Dalrymple

19:20:34 mircea_popescu: Blazedout419 in case you're still looking for that, http://fraudsters.com/2013/mpex-one-year-of-dividends/

19:20:36 assbot: MPEx : one year of dividends pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

19:20:47 mircea_popescu: it's about a year out of date by now, if you're looking for something to do

19:21:35 mircea_popescu: more generally i suppose it being springish again, it's time to revisit last year for the new crop of noobs :

19:21:35 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2013/the-best-investments-in-the-history-of-bitcoin/

19:21:36 assbot: The best investments in the history of Bitcoin pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

19:21:55 penguirker: New blog post: http://fraudsters.com/2014/mpoe-may-2014-and-june-2014-combined-statement/

19:22:31 mircea_popescu: and perhaps also http://fraudsters.com/2013/the-list-of-discontinued-assets-on-mpex/

19:22:32 assbot: The list of discontinued assets on MPEx pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

19:25:48 kakobrekla: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=637928.msg7662458#msg7662458

19:25:48 assbot: Evaluating Havelock securities performances

19:26:39 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla whay so angry

19:26:49 kakobrekla: you dont know angry.

19:27:18 mircea_popescu: hm.

19:27:20 mike_c: bitstamp is awesome

19:27:41 mike_c: (is he angry yet?)

19:27:43 kakobrekla: yes troll sensor also working

19:27:43 mircea_popescu: Also, newsflash, I can call this rock that I am about to throw a 'club', yet it wont feel like one when it hits your face.

19:27:47 mircea_popescu: this was kinda lulzy

19:28:02 davout_: bitstamp slovenians are best slovenians

19:28:05 mircea_popescu: mostly cause of the club ambiguity

19:28:47 mircea_popescu: davout i hear nigeria beat you froggers in the wc

19:29:14 davout: apparently you're not paying your intel dept enough

19:30:52 mircea_popescu: drat.

19:32:39 davout: ;;ud drat

19:32:40 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=drat | Apple touch icon Download the Free App! 1. drat. What cute people say when they are pissed off. "Oh Drat i lost my wallet". by spanky spangler September 07,  ...

19:33:07 mircea_popescu: davout bet you the krautzes send france home ?

19:33:08 davout: the internet sez you're a cutie!

19:34:37 davout: 1 btc

19:34:41 davout: but not on bitbet

19:34:44 davout: their support sucks

19:34:53 mircea_popescu: yeah on bitbet lol. putting it in nao.

19:35:15 davout: i'm not paying 1% for a private bet between you and me

19:35:39 mircea_popescu: but it's open.

19:36:18 davout: i hear they send winners spider drawings instead of money

19:36:27 mircea_popescu: ahahaha

19:36:31 mircea_popescu: should try thias

19:41:48 mircea_popescu: davout http://bitbet.us/bet/987/krautzes-send-france-home/

19:41:48 assbot: BitBet - Krautzes send France home :: 1 B (100%) on Yes, 0 B (0%) on No | closing in 1 day 4 hours | weight: 99`949 (100`000 to 1)

19:43:41 davout: mircea_popescu: "pankkake but whatever he thought then, right ? i mean suppose a girl invites him over and he THINKS it's for to fuck." <<< if you reason like this, then you should rename it to bitchbet

19:43:58 Mats_cd03: benkay: everyone i know with the coiled rattlesnake and/or 'don't tread on me' is ex mil

19:44:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3750 @ 0.00081366 = 3.0512 BTC [-] {2}

19:44:54 mircea_popescu: davout how you mean ?

19:45:49 davout: if you argue that the resolution of bitbets can afford lack of clarity by comparing it to the way the woman of your example lacks clarity you should go all the way

19:46:21 davout: but then there's also the question of "where does the lack of clarity stop, and the guy's expectations start"

19:50:26 mike_c: what clarity is missing? when the bet will resolve? obviously it will resolve when the price is known. if it becomes clear the price will never be known, BB mods will do something appropriate.

19:50:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18350 @ 0.00081748 = 15.0008 BTC [+]

19:50:55 pankkake: I think davout refers to another bet

19:50:57 mike_c: doesn't help to add a 10 page rider to every bet

19:51:15 mircea_popescu: mike has it.

19:51:24 pankkake: i.e. what if buttcoin-central is renamed to gaymium

19:51:52 pankkake: another bitcoin-qt segfault. gotta learn to not click on it too soon

19:52:56 davout: i think my broader point is that since you don't know what you don't know, it makes sense to define a way to clarify propositions along the way, lest you end up with some rota v2

19:53:24 davout: you cannot perfectly specify a bet, no matter how many pages of specs you write

19:53:38 mircea_popescu: davout sure. but how does that help the arguer's position ?

19:54:04 mircea_popescu: you can't argue from your expectation, gotta argue from reality.

19:55:20 davout: the guy that was requesting support ?

19:55:40 mircea_popescu: well no, the guy that was requesting the bet be cancelled.

19:55:45 davout: ah

19:56:34 mircea_popescu: he briefly masqueraded as requesting support originally i guess.

19:56:43 davout: i think that a reasonable case can be made for cancellation

19:57:08 davout: based on the fact that you have no reliable source for the auction price

19:57:18 mircea_popescu: no case will ever be successfully made for cancellation as long as a legitimate dispute exists.

19:57:44 davout: what do you mean ?

19:57:44 mircea_popescu: that'd have been a good case for not betting.

19:58:06 davout: sure, that's why i didn't bet :-)

19:58:10 mircea_popescu: exactly what i say ?! what part ?

19:58:19 davout: "no case will ever be successfully made for cancellation as long as a legitimate dispute exists."

19:58:31 davout: what's a legitimate dispute ?

19:58:37 mircea_popescu: right.

19:58:42 mircea_popescu: that as long as there's a dispute, a bet doesn't get cancelled.

19:59:04 mircea_popescu: like, people not agreeing.

19:59:08 davout: a dispute about the auction price being >x or <x ?

19:59:30 mircea_popescu: if you got a group saying "the sea is blue" and another "the sky is azure" this isn't a legitimate dispute. they're not talking of the same thing.

19:59:37 mircea_popescu: if one group is like "sea is deep" and the other "no, it's salty" idem

19:59:59 mircea_popescu: but if they don't agree if it's salty or sweet, the bet as to which is is ain't getting cancelled.

20:00:38 davout: what if the bet mod realizes he has no way to measure salinity N

20:00:39 davout: ?

20:00:52 mircea_popescu: mthreat http://bitbet.us/bet/988/argentina-beats-belgium/ btw

20:00:52 assbot: BitBet - Argentina beats Belgium :: 10.06 B (100%) on Yes, 0 B (0%) on No | closing in 2 days 3 hours | weight: 99`770 (100`000 to 10`000)

20:01:14 mircea_popescu: davout best effort is best effort.

20:01:18 jborkl: building the database, the block chain will be searchable by txid, txcount by block, address, amount and UNIX

20:01:20 mircea_popescu: that's not a realisation the mod can ever reach.

20:01:29 jborkl: http://www.bcoinnews.com/printinfo.php

20:01:45 mircea_popescu: should he discover salinity doesn't exist, then it gets cancelled.

20:02:06 mircea_popescu: but it seems quite certain a price was in fact paid, currently.

20:03:31 davout: mircea_popescu: well, what if he genuinely realizes it wasn't correct to assume he'd ever be able to measure salinity? whether he has the certainty that salinity > 0 being irrelevant given the bet conditions

20:03:48 davout: as in, a price has been paid

20:03:49 davout: :-)

20:03:57 mircea_popescu: not his place to realise such a thing.

20:04:03 mircea_popescu: there's no way out of history. what's done is done.

20:05:03 pankkake: http://yro.slashdot.org/story/14/07/03/1846215/nsa-considers-linux-journal-readers-tor-and-linux-users-extremists

20:05:04 assbot: NSA Considers Linux Journal Readers, Tor (And Linux?) Users "Extremists" - Slashdot

20:05:16 Naphex: pankkake: no wonder

20:05:24 davout: mircea_popescu: not sure what you mean

20:05:28 Naphex: most people in those categories are concerned about privacy

20:05:30 mircea_popescu: that's ok, i consider nsa employees child molesters. they're going to jail.

20:05:43 Naphex: from their PoV anyone who gives a shit about privacy will be an extremist

20:05:48 mircea_popescu: davout you know what makes a good error message ?

20:05:55 mircea_popescu: cause this "general failure" thing doesn't halp.

20:06:09 Naphex: General Failure 321

20:06:43 mircea_popescu: a ty

20:07:32 davout: fair enough :-) i'm thinking that "not his place to realise such a thing." is side-stepping the issue, and also not

20:07:37 davout: backed

20:08:03 davout: i mean why? say i'm making this bet about this music note being this or that, and poof, i become deaf

20:08:07 mircea_popescu: but you understand the general principle of limited review ? such that a judge isn't at liberty to vacate the law for instance.

20:09:02 mircea_popescu: the guy you hire to do your plumbing isn't allowed to recommend you buy a different house

20:09:18 mircea_popescu: army captain ordered to hold a position isn't allowed to change the regimental deployment

20:09:34 Mats_cd03: so youŕe saying bitbet needs a jury

20:09:39 mircea_popescu: random fuckwit that can't afford a 400 dollar swimsuit isn't free to "change the way society regards women"

20:09:40 mircea_popescu: and so on

20:09:40 davout: yes, the guy who does the plumbing can perfectly throw his hands in the air, refund you, and tell you that in fact he doesn't do lead pipes

20:09:56 mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 kinda what the mods are.

20:10:06 Mats_cd03: a jury that can nullify judgments then

20:10:24 mircea_popescu: davout so a mod can quit bitbet.

20:10:26 mircea_popescu: what's that change.

20:11:09 davout: no, that would translate to quit being a plumber, not refuse to serve a particular client because you don't have the correct tools or qualifications

20:11:42 mircea_popescu: the plumber quitting his plumbing has zero impact. the plumbing company wil still do the plumbing.

20:11:49 pankkake: %diff

20:11:54 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 785138.67 Est. Next Diff: 785138.67 in 2013 blocks (#40320) Est. % Change: 0.00

20:12:01 chetty: ah but that would be like refusing to bake a gay wedding cake, not allowed

20:12:23 mircea_popescu: exactly.

20:12:39 mircea_popescu: or like a computer refusing to multiply anything by 548791114

20:12:41 davout: chetty mircea_popescu no because if you do only plastic pipes you can't be forced to install lead pipes

20:12:45 mircea_popescu: also not allowed.

20:12:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3150 @ 0.00081256 = 2.5596 BTC [-]

20:15:30 davout: i think that in essence, bitbet and the rota have a lot in common

20:16:32 mircea_popescu: this is not news :)

20:16:45 mircea_popescu: i think i even said as much in the logs, months ago

20:17:57 davout: mircea_popescu: yeah well, i haven't ordered the ba logs paperback yet :-)

20:18:03 mircea_popescu: :p

20:18:30 davout: but i spent some time thinking about this while driving

20:18:48 davout: so, how does it manage to avoid the shortcomings of the rota?

20:18:54 cgcardona: o/ hello #bitcoin-assets

20:19:19 davout: because basically, there's the "evaluate outcome according to environment and bet specs" part of bitbet

20:19:48 mircea_popescu: davout anon mods deliberating in secret. exact opposite of the "citizenship judge" rota model

20:20:10 davout: but there's also the "make a sovereign decision about the resolution conditions uncertainty that came to light after acceptation but before resoltuion"

20:20:45 davout: how's secrecy adding anything here ?

20:21:26 mircea_popescu: i have no idea.

20:21:42 mike_c: rota did not need to decide things for the good of rota. bitbet has a vested interest in making good decisions.

20:21:44 Apocalyptic: kinda reminds me of the venetian rulers

20:22:28 davout: mike_c: true

20:22:48 mircea_popescu: this is a good point yeah

20:23:13 davout: mircea_popescu: so the advantage of secrecy is undecided

20:23:24 mircea_popescu: im just saying it's opposite.

20:23:46 davout: no, you also said you had no idea about how it was an improvement :-)

20:24:40 mircea_popescu: well yes.

20:24:56 mircea_popescu: how is it an improvement is some sort of forward or inside looking statement. i dunno.

20:25:39 mircea_popescu: suppose there's an apple tree and a potato. now, you ask me how is a pomme better than a pomme du terre. nfi man, i just know they're opposite.

20:26:51 davout: ok, so basically makes no sense to sort them

20:27:30 mircea_popescu: what's sort mean and who's them.

20:28:15 mircea_popescu: and hello cgcardona

20:28:41 davout: i mean it makes no sense to try and decide whether secrecy is a better model than non-secrecy

20:28:54 mircea_popescu: mike_c i suspect that's perhaps stretching a point. rota judges did make a salary, and had a deeply vested interest in making th emodel work.

20:29:14 mircea_popescu: they failed to understand it in practice, but this is because people are often lazy, and that's exactly how things like bitcoin can get killed in 2010.

20:29:29 mircea_popescu: davout not without a metric.

20:30:08 *: cgcardona tips hat to MP

20:30:09 davout: yo, pas de relation d'ordre

20:30:11 cgcardona: top of tha mornin sir

20:30:39 mircea_popescu: something like that

20:38:48 mircea_popescu: davout http://bitbet.us/bet/987/krautzes-send-france-home/#b4 that you ?

20:38:49 assbot: BitBet - Krautzes send France home :: 1.06 B (88%) on Yes, 0.14 B (12%) on No | closing in 1 day 3 hours | weight: 96`594 (100`000 to 1)

20:39:18 thestringpuller: shots fired

20:41:42 FabianB: []bot: you alive?

20:41:46 mircea_popescu: seems not

20:42:12 FabianB: artifexd: ?

20:42:26 davout: mircea_popescu: no

20:42:49 mircea_popescu: well ok, lem me know when you're in and ill cover to even odds

20:46:05 davout: mircea_popescu: ok done

20:46:50 chetty: http://news.yahoo.com/could-strenuous-exercise-night-mean-better-sleep-211528590--spt.html

20:46:52 assbot: Could strenuous exercise at night mean better sleep? - Yahoo News

20:47:39 mircea_popescu: eh what the heck, im so overconfident i just put another 1 btc. so there.

20:47:44 kyuupichan: mircea_popescu: Is the Bastille bet considered controversial? Or mods just got bored of resolving bets y/day?

20:48:00 mircea_popescu: kyuupichan i don't imagine it's controversial.

20:48:06 mircea_popescu: lemme see

20:48:12 kyuupichan: OK, boredom it is

20:48:19 chetty: Many people would rather inflict pain on themselves than spend 15 minutes in a room with nothing to do but think

20:48:26 mike_c: kyuupichan: what was this mystery mpex conversation you had with daniel?

20:48:58 mircea_popescu: Resolution: in 1 week 4 days (15-07-2014)

20:49:06 mircea_popescu: nothing controversial about it, but its date hasn't come yet.

20:49:30 kyuupichan: mircea_popescu: But it's already happened no? Other bets are resolved early if they happen.

20:49:49 mircea_popescu: it's "on" not "by"

20:50:03 kyuupichan: The explanatory text is clearly "by". "On or before".

20:50:04 mircea_popescu: o nm it's on or before.

20:50:08 benkay: http://dogebark.nijotz.com/

20:50:12 benkay: ^^ dns barker

20:50:13 BingoBoingo: Omg someone is trying to unkill of of my death with bombs!!!

20:50:17 kyuupichan: The disconnect between the two is unfortunate

20:50:18 mircea_popescu: kyuupichan yeah prolly going out today.

20:50:31 kyuupichan: Thx

20:51:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 72 @ 0.0172 = 1.2384 BTC [+]

20:52:09 davout: mircea_popescu: BUT WHAT IF THERE'S ANOTHER MATCH 58 FR vs DE IN THE WC OF SOME UNRELATED SPORT ??

20:52:33 mike_c: BingoBoingo: looks like somebody got into life real low.

20:53:47 BingoBoingo: mike_c: The irony is once again the bombs seem to be setting themselves up for failure

20:53:58 benkay: asciilifeform, mircea_popescu: where's the post detailing cardano rng construction?

20:54:13 kyuupichan: mike_c: Not sure I remember most of it. I'd rather it remained private though.

20:54:55 mike_c: kako can turn off the logger

20:55:05 mircea_popescu: davout tough

20:55:24 mircea_popescu: benkay in s.nsa somewhere

20:55:42 davout: yeah well, france would win both anyway

20:58:01 mircea_popescu: the only thing france wins is buttruining on pikes marathon

20:58:52 davout: i'm starting to suspect that this france vs germany bet is going to get bigger than the berkshire one

20:59:00 BingoBoingo: benkay: http://fraudsters.com/2013/the-reason-you-cant-have-nice-numbers-and-other-considerations/ ???

20:59:01 assbot: The reason you can’t have nice numbers and other considerations. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

20:59:01 davout: :D

20:59:05 mircea_popescu: well... not this one

20:59:10 mircea_popescu: but maybe if a real country was involved.

20:59:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.19999985 = 0.6 BTC [-] {2}

21:00:22 mircea_popescu: hanbot was like "o why are you so mean ?! wait, this is davout ? nm, be as mean as you wish!"

21:00:32 davout: LOL

21:00:55 BingoBoingo: Shame a real country like Algeria couldn't eliminate France

21:01:09 mircea_popescu: nah that'd have sucked

21:01:14 davout: such shame, very sad

21:01:18 mircea_popescu: i don;t know many algerians with btc to bitch at

21:01:31 davout: at least we got some sleep in paris, algeria winning = honking cars all night

21:02:49 davout: as a sidenote, the whole "service is shitty, but it's fast!" has been a thing in france for the last 20 years

21:02:57 mircea_popescu: lol

21:03:06 davout: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7NB_RwtPx4&feature=kp

21:03:07 assbot: Chevalier et Laspales le train pour pau - YouTube

21:03:09 BingoBoingo: !up Sebastan

21:03:15 BingoBoingo: !up chax

21:03:26 BingoBoingo: !up navhul-lacsup

21:03:31 davout: CECI DIT, IL EST TRES RAPIDE!

21:03:58 mircea_popescu: "my cock is small. but it squitrs quickly"

21:06:46 jborkl: sweet

21:06:50 BingoBoingo: %tslb

21:06:51 atcbot: 0 minutes and 0 seconds ago (right now!)

21:07:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00081748 = 12.6709 BTC [+]

21:08:36 BingoBoingo: %d

21:08:36 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 785138.67 Est. Next Diff: 785138.67 in 2001 blocks (#40320) Est. % Change: 0.00

21:08:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13588 @ 0.00081757 = 11.1091 BTC [+] {2}

21:08:49 mircea_popescu: wow shit look at that, someone covered the krautz bet.

21:09:09 mircea_popescu: artifexd somehow []bot is missing out on all the bitbet excitement lol

21:09:11 BingoBoingo: %t

21:09:14 benkay: nah, not quite BingoBoingo

21:09:14 atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 200 Ask: 250 Last Price: 229 24h-Vol: 85k High: 229 Low: 199 VWAP: 218

21:10:17 BingoBoingo: %ob

21:10:18 artifexd: Thanks

21:10:21 atcbot: 19k@272 724@270 709@250 | 33k@200 898k@199 500k@151

21:10:58 artifexd: She should start acting right again.

21:11:00 jborkl: 90000 blocks through the rebuilt blockchain and I am at 25MB

21:11:20 mircea_popescu: o wait [] is a gal ?

21:11:45 artifexd: As her creator, I refer to her as such. And thus, yes.

21:11:49 mircea_popescu: cool.

21:12:08 mircea_popescu: ( . ) ( . ) bot shoul dbe in change of boobies.

21:12:14 benkay: $boobs

21:12:32 davout: mircea_popescu: according to bitbet rules and closing dates i can cancel my bet on http://bitbet.us/bet/987/krautzes-send-france-home/ until the last minute of the match right?

21:12:32 assbot: BitBet - Krautzes send France home :: 2.06 B (49%) on Yes, 2.14 B (51%) on No | closing in 1 day 2 hours | weight: 94`609 (100`000 to 1)

21:12:33 benkay: in other news, i've learned that having the hairline trimmed into symmetry is a horrible idea.

21:12:47 mircea_popescu: davout waitwut

21:12:50 mircea_popescu: !up defaboy

21:13:00 davout: bet closes on saturday

21:13:03 davout: match is on friday

21:13:11 BingoBoingo: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2014/07/rolling_coal_conservatives_who_show_their_annoyance_with_liberals_obama.html

21:13:11 assbot: Rolling Coal: Conservatives who show their annoyance with liberals, Obama, and the EPA by blowing black smoke from their trucks.

21:13:16 davout: so technically, before the match is ended i can bet at anytime

21:13:25 mircea_popescu: davout nah, its gonna refund all bets made after 1st half

21:13:43 mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/987/krautzes-send-france-home/#c3299

21:13:43 assbot: BitBet - Krautzes send France home :: 7.06 B (77%) on Yes, 2.14 B (23%) on No | closing in 1 day 2 hours | weight: 94`539 (100`000 to 1)

21:13:51 davout: lol k

21:13:58 mircea_popescu: artifexd seems it missed anothr one ?

21:14:38 artifexd: Last bet was 14 minutes ago

21:14:39 davout: so that is 1 confirmation before 45 minutes + additionnal time

21:15:05 artifexd: Last bet created was 30 minutes ago

21:15:08 artifexd: So, not yet.

21:15:16 davout: argh, i liked the "say 'deal', spit on the ground" approach :D

21:15:23 mircea_popescu: artifexd a 5btc bet just went through no ?

21:15:42 artifexd: Not that I see.

21:15:46 artifexd: Where?

21:15:48 mircea_popescu: davout aditional time is like, up i nthe air :D

21:16:01 mircea_popescu: artifexd well i just noticed the france bet went from 2ish to 7ish on one side

21:16:05 davout: mircea_popescu: "Irrespective of what the close date says, bets made after half time will be refunded." <<< not to nitpick, but now mods can redefine bets? :D

21:16:34 mircea_popescu: always could.

21:17:27 artifexd: Hmmm... another crash.

21:17:36 benkay: <trinque> benkay: somebody should write something that saturates idle connections with encrypted dummy data // any bored programmers want to irritate the NSA? trinque's full of good ideas today

21:17:40 davout: mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2014#742364 <<< but this?

21:17:41 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

21:17:41 benkay: ;;ticker

21:17:42 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 641.64, Best ask: 643.98, Bid-ask spread: 2.34000, Last trade: 641.62, 24 hour volume: 4768.02134696, 24 hour low: 638.79, 24 hour high: 652.79, 24 hour vwap: 646.281389953

21:17:57 artifexd: Investigating....

21:18:22 mircea_popescu: davout there's an ambiguity between "mods" here. BitBet Mod in red on the site is merely the official position of bitbet.

21:19:02 mircea_popescu: benkay you and your extremist friends.

21:20:26 asciilifeform: benkay: there is nothing especially secret about the rng.

21:20:52 trinque: the hard part would be getting enough people to use it for it to matter

21:21:06 asciilifeform: benkay: it is a very simple design based on johnson noise. -- plus, the entire design will be published in excruciating detail.

21:21:58 mircea_popescu: trinque maybe something like an always on crypoted messaging app

21:22:05 mircea_popescu: that constantly sends the same debit to everyone.

21:22:09 asciilifeform: (if someone wants to buy a chinese 'turdano' - its own punishment.)

21:22:38 trinque: mircea_popescu: that's interesting

21:22:41 BingoBoingo: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/29rh1f/allaire_wolf_in_sheeps_clothing/

21:22:41 assbot: Allaire - Wolf in Sheep's Clothing : Bitcoin

21:22:47 mircea_popescu: guarantees 1kbps of text.

21:23:02 mircea_popescu: whether you send text or it just pads with noise... no difference. it sends 1kbps

21:23:34 trinque: mircea_popescu: that's basically what I was thinking in terms of a p2p filesharing app recently

21:23:43 asciilifeform: saturation is the only real pill against traffic analysis.

21:23:49 mircea_popescu: yeah, could be a messaging app with filesharing.

21:23:53 mircea_popescu: slow as fuck i guess

21:24:32 mircea_popescu: then again you can prolly optimise the distribution a little, and preserve the "no meta" value of the original broadcast design

21:24:41 mircea_popescu: without being stuck sending bw to EVERYONE all the time

21:30:05 mircea_popescu: ;;tslb

21:30:08 gribble: Time since last block: 16 minutes and 42 seconds

21:30:08 BingoBoingo: http://valleywag.gawker.com/how-quickly-a-genius-startup-can-tank-1599840136/+laceydonohue

21:30:09 assbot: How Quickly a "Genius" Startup Can Tank

21:31:10 mircea_popescu: "Bitcoin is not the unit of account, as you are not held accountable for that unit by anyone."

21:31:15 mircea_popescu: herp.

21:31:34 mircea_popescu: says scammer getting ripped a new one in a thread dedicated to how he's lost people's btc

21:32:56 mircea_popescu: Bloodhound had everything going for it. TechCrunch once hailed the tradeshow app as "genius" and Peter Thiel lead a $3 million investment round in the "blowing up" company.

21:33:06 mircea_popescu: how is this possible!

21:33:33 BingoBoingo: From the comments >>

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21:33:39 BingoBoingo: "they ultimately signed a five-year lease for $31,667 a month in rent (plus $564 in fees)?more than six times the amount the arts collective had been previously paying." When you get taken that badly by a LANDLORD in a negotiation, maybe business isn't the right line of work for you. Disgraceful.

21:34:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 50 @ 0.01415 = 0.7075 BTC [+]

21:34:28 mircea_popescu: the author sounds like a butthurt artsy chick upset that money exists.

21:34:48 mircea_popescu: and her name is Kevin Montgomery, which is apt.

21:36:00 []bot: Bet placed: 3.355 BTC for No on "Krautzes send France home" http://bitbet.us/bet/987/ Odds: 56(Y):44(N) by coin, 56(Y):44(N) by weight. Total bet: 12.60838675 BTC. Current weight: 93,229.

21:36:22 punkman: punkman: http://bitbet.us/bet/983/bitcoin-volatility-august-over-200/ <- links to http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=^GSPC

21:36:22 assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin volatility August over $200 :: 0.19 B (78%) on Yes, 0.06 B (22%) on No | closing in 1 month 2 weeks | weight: 98`203 (100`000 to 1)

21:36:23 assbot: ^GSPC: Summary for S&P 500- Yahoo! Finance

21:36:28 BingoBoingo: lol

21:37:00 punkman: oh there's a comment, never mind

21:37:02 BingoBoingo: Butthurt Artsy chick vs. Failing startup burn rate

21:37:15 mircea_popescu: punkman yeah

21:37:52 punkman: my gold bet made it, yay

21:37:54 punkman: bet the other guy is butthurt

21:37:55 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo match made in heaven huh ? i saw this film cca 1940, back when cagney was the fronteer ruffian and whoever the fuck was the boston damsel

21:38:44 mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/988/argentina-beats-belgium/ << someone dump this on reddit btw ? im kinda fond of the description

21:38:44 assbot: BitBet - Argentina beats Belgium :: 11.06 B (64%) on Yes, 6.27 B (36%) on No | closing in 2 days 2 hours | weight: 96`953 (100`000 to 10`000)

21:39:04 BingoBoingo: Rofl! Nothing at all is New!!!

21:41:01 punkman: http://bitbet.us/media/images/ads/bit445.jpg <- "leading sports sport book" heh

21:42:31 mircea_popescu: people are missing out on perhaps the only good advertising deal in bitcoin, what can i say.

21:54:34 mircea_popescu: wait a god damned fucking second. 10k sq foot space in sf mission

21:54:41 mircea_popescu: people are bitching about 30k rent ?!

21:55:01 asciilifeform: lol!

21:55:01 mircea_popescu: they want to pay... 50 cents a square foot ?!

21:55:21 mircea_popescu: what sort of paralel universe is gawker living in. you can't get residential in seattle for 50 cents a sq foot

21:55:24 trinque: I think the point was they had no business renting it

21:55:27 asciilifeform: where does one get 50 cents? aircraft hangar in kazahstan ?

21:55:31 mircea_popescu: seems they did.

21:55:57 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform my main place in ro was ~7k sq feet and it cost me like .3 per

21:55:59 mircea_popescu: but THATS ME

21:56:00 mircea_popescu: wtf.

21:56:07 trinque: I'm still trying to figure out what's "genius" about a tradeshow app

21:56:18 mike_c: i think i'm paying $3.50, unfortunately out of my own pocket and not some VC

21:56:29 mircea_popescu: this is a fucking joke, this article.

21:56:41 mircea_popescu: "what conventional business cvould afford 3-4 per sq foot " ?!?!

21:56:46 mircea_popescu: i dunno, how about a fucking lemonade stand.

21:56:46 mike_c: ^ could be said about any gawker article

21:56:48 mircea_popescu: selling nails

21:57:20 mircea_popescu: your average sf escort could aford a 50k sq foot place to fuck in

21:58:25 trinque: http://techcrunch.com/2013/01/23/bloodhound-event-app/

21:58:26 assbot: Conference App Bloodhound’s Genius Growth Strategy Attracts $3M Series A Led By Thiel’s FF Angel | TechCrunch

21:58:28 trinque: what a visionary app

21:59:18 trinque: words have lost their meaning

21:59:47 mircea_popescu: you know, just because a bunch of tards drunk methanol and are now blind

21:59:52 mircea_popescu: doesn't mean the sun has lost its shine

22:01:46 asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uabkPEgpOiY

22:01:46 assbot: Silicon Valley 1x07 - Jared - Facial recognition app - YouTube

22:01:49 asciilifeform: ^ relevant

22:02:17 *: BingoBoingo can't wait till startups concern themselves with Burn rate and move to the Mojave in tents

22:02:56 trinque: asciilifeform: haha

22:05:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00081503 = 3.4231 BTC [-]

22:07:36 mircea_popescu: "We?d like to thank our wonderful community of nearly 10 years for helping us co-create a space that showcased the immeasurable talent, passion, and diversity of San Francisco?s artists, activists, makers, thinkers, and dreamers. We hope that this vision of shared responsibility and radical inclusion extends beyond the life of the organization."

22:07:45 mircea_popescu: i think immeasurable is the right word.

22:08:09 mircea_popescu: "When Million Fishes started at the corner of 23rd and Bryant in 2003, the gallery windows were boarded shut and drugs were sold on the street outside. When the gallery became a live space, it made the street less attractive for drug dealing, but it also helped usher in the wave of gentrification that has now overtaken us."

22:08:19 mircea_popescu: check that out, hippy chicks propose they drove out the thugs

22:08:21 mircea_popescu: with free love.

22:08:38 asciilifeform: this - the google bus smashers again?

22:09:03 mircea_popescu: no idea

22:10:33 trinque: mircea_popescu: thugs hate radical acceptance and trust

22:10:42 trinque: it is their natural enemy

22:10:46 mircea_popescu: totally.

22:10:49 asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRNEUc5k7Jw << also relevant (same movie)

22:10:49 assbot: Silicon Valley (HBO) - Parking Lot App. Scene - YouTube

22:10:51 mircea_popescu: also, no artist ever did drugs.

22:11:38 mircea_popescu: there are also numerous cases of ex drug lords turned into reddit feminists by being held captive in a san francisco commune for two weeks.

22:11:59 mircea_popescu: there are hwoever no known cases of abducted retarded artsy chicks that spend the next decade whoring.

22:12:25 assbot: Last 7 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1FNQZXW.txt )

22:12:25 BingoBoingo: !b 7

22:12:31 mircea_popescu: also, patty hearst is not a historical character.

22:13:30 mircea_popescu: (who definitely didn't marry her... bodyguard, afterwards)

22:22:12 benkay: done with client work for the weekend wooooooooooo

22:22:47 benkay: celebrating american independence day in true cascadian fashion by going up to the forest with the babe and the dog

22:22:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1800 @ 0.00081713 = 1.4708 BTC [+]

22:22:57 benkay: poopin in the bull run

22:23:22 benkay: oh yeah, subject of the Bull Run, water *sucks* in Argentina.

22:23:28 benkay: leastaways bsas

22:42:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 52 @ 0.0142 = 0.7384 BTC [+] {2}

22:44:20 mircea_popescu: vilavicencio is ok

23:03:46 davout: such priceless -> http://www.cupfoundation.net/

23:03:46 assbot: The Foundation

23:04:20 davout: "supports state/country tax recovery and is speculation resistant."

23:05:25 mircea_popescu: What is ⊔?

23:05:25 mircea_popescu: ⊔ is pronounced /kʌp/ and is Unicode character U+2294.

23:05:33 mircea_popescu: these fucktards. THAT is what i wanna hear first ?

23:05:40 benkay: dafuq?

23:05:51 mircea_popescu: in what parallel universe is THAT what interests me ? what are we, in junior high ?

23:06:02 davout: yo, create currency, select unicode character, work done

23:06:27 mircea_popescu: they've been derping in bars for a year now

23:06:28 davout: after reading this i had the weird urge to re-watch the feincoin video

23:06:32 mircea_popescu: stil don't have an elevator speech

23:07:52 mircea_popescu: http://www.cupfoundation.net/ig_relation.svg

23:08:00 mircea_popescu: this has got to be the world's most fucktarded graphic.

23:08:14 mircea_popescu: i desire the ability to rescind highschool diplomas via gribble.

23:08:24 davout: the guy also derps about another virtual currency, the euro-franc

23:08:34 davout: unfortunately this shit isn't translated to english -> http://cupfoundation.wordpress.com/2014/06/10/faq-eurofranc/

23:08:36 assbot: FAQ Eurofranc | Foundation

23:08:36 mircea_popescu: ;;send everyone involved with cupfoundation back to 5th grade kthx

23:08:37 gribble: Error: "send" is not a valid command.

23:09:26 davout: basically the idea behind eurofranc is that bitcoin is a scam

23:09:38 davout: and that everyone should be entitled to free money every month

23:09:57 mircea_popescu: herp.

23:11:34 davout: srsly, pankkake Apocalyptic read dat shit if you need a good laugh

23:11:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23300 @ 0.00081769 = 19.0522 BTC [+] {4}

23:11:49 mircea_popescu: http://www.vibramfivefingers.com/products/Five-Fingers-Bikila-EVO-Womens.htm << omg the shoesock lives!

23:13:48 benkay: oh heck yeah

23:13:57 benkay: you should see the nerds all bedecked

23:14:36 mircea_popescu: lol

23:14:48 mircea_popescu: why, it gets you laid ?

23:15:00 benkay: comfy?

23:15:10 mircea_popescu: o they are ?

23:15:15 benkay: ;;google nonconformity competence

23:15:17 gribble: The Red Sneakers Effect: Inferring Status and Competence from ...: http://www.hbs.edu/faculty/Pages/item.aspx?num=45809; The Red Sneakers Effect: Inferring Status and Competence from ...: http://www.hbs.edu/faculty/Pages/download.aspx?name=The+Red+Sneakers+Effect+2014.pdf; Nonconformity, Competence, and Influence in Groups: A Test ... - Jstor: http://www.jstor.org/stable/2095064

23:15:17 mircea_popescu: i thought they're supposed to be like for running.

23:15:23 benkay: super comfy.

23:15:27 mircea_popescu: it'd drive me fucking nuts to have shit between my toes.

23:15:39 benkay: i mean ultrathin soled shoes in general.

23:16:04 benkay: provided you don't mind prancing around on your toes, that is. heel striking is only viable when you've got padding under your heel.

23:16:14 benkay: try it on concrete in bare feet, see what i mean.

23:17:08 mircea_popescu: no ty, i'm old enough to know exactly what shoes i want.

23:17:23 punkman: I had a pair of those, they were very comfortable indeed

23:18:28 mircea_popescu: shoes for people that kick no butts.

23:18:35 punkman: http://www.vivobarefoot.com/eu/mens <- these guys have thin soles and you don't have to look like a clown

23:18:36 assbot: Mens Shoes | Barefoot Trainers | VIVOBAREFOOT

23:18:40 davout: i can't wait to report on persianshoes.com

23:20:06 benkay: pff that's what the ass-kickin shoes are for

23:20:19 benkay: "hang on a sec, i gotta put on my ass-kickin shoes and kick your ass. don't go anywhere."

23:20:33 mircea_popescu: punkman they seem like perhaps a credible variant in between making the girls go barefoot everwhere and odd duality.

23:20:43 mircea_popescu: provided they have nude colors rather than clown palette

23:20:55 punkman: the fivefingers?

23:20:58 mircea_popescu: ya

23:21:12 benkay: i was hoping for magic fingers, tbqh

23:21:19 punkman: yeah might not look so bad on some more delicate feet, but on mine...

23:21:50 benkay: another bullshit thing about thevibrams is that they're essentially a heat-sealed plastic bag for your feet.

23:22:11 mircea_popescu: benkay o is it actually polymer ?

23:22:15 punkman: they have some good fabrics

23:22:23 benkay: my first set were.

23:22:58 mircea_popescu: scratch that then

23:23:16 benkay: who knows if their fancy variants are as well, or if they've solved the 'breathing' problem.

23:23:50 punkman: I had the open ones, they were pretty airy

23:24:25 benkay: well tchyeah the open ones would be

23:24:46 punkman: they had a waterproof boot version back in the day

23:24:48 punkman: was hilarious

23:24:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8150 @ 0.00081689 = 6.6577 BTC [-]

23:25:04 benkay: i think they're great. get intimate with the street etc.

23:25:31 benkay: that said, they're not classy at all, and the only performance footwear i actually require are carbon-fiber bike shoes.

23:25:36 benkay: which are *also* fucking great.

23:25:37 mircea_popescu: what sort of a whore's phylosophy is that.

23:25:49 mircea_popescu: i ain't about to get intimate with the street ON THE STREET

23:25:51 mircea_popescu: S TERMS

23:25:53 benkay: some amount of sarcasm...

23:25:57 mircea_popescu: o

23:26:01 benkay: but also it's a prophylactic lol

23:26:16 benkay: 'cause the fuckers seal, you see

23:30:51 *: jurov is on lookout for new shoes too

23:32:02 jurov: had adidas buckskin sneakers with thin and flexible soles

23:32:11 jurov: that took 5 years of abuse

23:32:25 jurov: dunno if i find anything like today

23:34:53 trinque: how could we jam an encrypted p2p chat app into facebook?

23:35:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00081528 = 3.3426 BTC [-]

23:35:15 mircea_popescu: facebookchain ?

23:35:45 trinque: mircea_popescu: my thought is that the plebs use facebook and aren't likely to switch

23:36:04 trinque: so if some white knight wanted to get them to encrypt their chats he'd have to do so from within

23:36:35 punkman: trinque: you can do OTR on facebook

23:36:41 punkman: !google facebook otr

23:37:41 trinque: punkman: yep if you use XMPP right?

23:38:19 punkman: yeah but if both parties have an XMPP client, why even use facebook

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23:40:14 BingoBoingo: !b 4

23:40:39 jurov: yeah that won't even help if they chat via fb website

23:40:54 punkman: jurov, but we can do it in the browser!!!111!

23:41:09 jurov: is there some easy to use plugin?

23:41:16 jurov: at least?

23:41:37 punkman: the answer is fuck facebook

23:41:42 dignork: jurov: yeah, for pidgin :(

23:49:13 kyuupichan: Gonna take a miracle for me to be flat on bitbet this yr.

23:55:47 kyuupichan: ;;bc,stats

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23:56:48 kyuupichan: http://bitbet.us/bet/871/bitcoin-difficulty-to-fall-in-2014/

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23:56:52 kyuupichan: Still no-one tempted

23:59:04 benkay: betting against diff?

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