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00:05:02 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184640 << a bit of a fundamental misconception here. 'emacs' in particular is ~not~ a 'text editor', but a kind of poor man's lisp machine. and is used as such by many folks

00:05:02 assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 22:30:34; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184009 << i wouldn't issue such a command. why wouldn't your driver cook at your command ? because if you live like that, the only guarantee is that you'll be overrun with assorted vermin.

00:06:07 trinque: asciilifeform: that was actually my reaction when learning of genera and other such systems

00:06:23 trinque: "holy shit, stallman was trying to cram a version of this environment into unix"

00:06:36 asciilifeform: trinque: emacs, you might be surprised to learn, predates rms

00:06:57 trinque: in my historical wanderings, I learned of zmacs

00:07:39 trinque: I guess there's a whole lineage of things which ended up being called emacs

00:07:59 trinque: asciilifeform: the thought actually was... "so emacs is a sort of masamune... lol!"

00:08:13 trinque: no offense to mr laddel

00:08:23 asciilifeform: trinque: mno. because it doesn't (except in the most minimal sense) try to handle unixisms ~from within~

00:08:27 asciilifeform: the difference is important

00:08:30 trinque: ah

00:08:53 trinque: well, there are plenty of wads o' elisp that try to do that very thing

00:08:57 trinque: not that I use any of them

00:09:11 asciilifeform: elisp, incidentally, is a world-class turd

00:09:27 asciilifeform: more or less a throwback to very impoverished 1970s lisps

00:09:32 asciilifeform: (e.g., dynamic scope)

00:13:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23700 @ 0.0005079 = 12.0372 BTC [+]

00:16:21 trinque: seems damned javascript-y, though I know it preceded that

00:16:43 asciilifeform: trinque: thing is, 'lispy' interpreters written in a hurry by students end up being all quite alike

00:16:46 asciilifeform: for fundamental reasons

00:17:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61000 @ 0.00051884 = 31.6492 BTC [+]

00:19:11 *: trinque afk for a bit

00:37:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 500 @ 0.0025 = 1.25 BTC [-]

00:43:19 asciilifeform: http://www.etalabs.net/compare_libcs.html

00:43:45 asciilifeform: and, interestingly, https://github.com/sabotage-linux/sabotage

00:43:47 assbot: sabotage-linux/sabotage · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1UeHyzO )

00:44:35 asciilifeform: mod6, possibly: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Hardened_musl

00:44:36 assbot: Project:Hardened musl - Gentoo Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1UeHIY0 )

00:50:39 asciilifeform: http://buildroot-busybox.2317881.n4.nabble.com/PATCH-0-5-Support-for-musl-based-external-toolchains-td52730.html << buildroot apparently supports it

00:50:41 assbot: Buildroot (busybox) - [PATCH 0/5] Support for musl based external toolchains ... ( http://bit.ly/1dADYyn )

01:01:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50231 @ 0.00051398 = 25.8177 BTC [-] {2}

01:20:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27000 @ 0.00051347 = 13.8637 BTC [-]

01:24:07 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in turdmeisterdom, http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2015/07/03#l1435884599.0

01:24:08 assbot: BitcoinStats ... ( http://bit.ly/1LLsEym )

01:25:45 shinohai: but your bitcoind shall decimate correct asciilifeform

01:25:55 asciilifeform: ..?

01:26:23 asciilifeform: shinohai: i must point out that it isn't 'mine', but therealbitcon's (in the face of ben_vulpes and mod6)

01:26:24 shinohai: it must make XT a distant memory

01:26:37 shinohai: fair enuf

01:26:38 asciilifeform: i just made a couplea patches

01:27:01 shinohai: *overall foundation*

01:27:04 asciilifeform: (most of which are, at present time, considered highly experimental and will not be making it into a release any time soon)

01:27:44 shinohai: is there a node list i should consider?

01:27:53 asciilifeform: shinohai: mircea_popescu has one up

01:28:04 asciilifeform: 188.68.240.167

01:28:19 asciilifeform: it is running his own personal, unpublished port of bitcoind

01:28:26 shinohai: so -connect flag is sufficient?

01:28:26 asciilifeform: since, i think, 2011

01:28:28 asciilifeform: aha

01:28:48 *: shinohai ^ did not know that

01:29:19 asciilifeform: shinohai: my understanding is that mircea_popescu, with the help of trusted phriendz unknown to us, did something quite like therealbitcoin, early on

01:30:49 asciilifeform: for the specific purpose of running mpex

01:31:17 shinohai: interesting.

01:31:54 shinohai: Such rich and mysterious history

01:34:04 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=24-06-2015#1173899

01:34:04 assbot: Logged on 24-06-2015 02:59:50; mircea_popescu: i dun think i ever said anything about that.

01:34:33 asciilifeform: all i can personally say about this is that it serves up (big fat surprise!) apparently correct blocks

01:34:52 asciilifeform: which is what we, in particular, care about, for this purpose.

01:35:48 asciilifeform: and that it uses the traditional blkxxxx format to keep said blocks in: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=30-06-2015#1182019

01:35:48 assbot: Logged on 30-06-2015 20:10:22; mircea_popescu: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/3RDD2F9.txt

01:37:46 asciilifeform: and, possibly, that he did the Right Thing and sawed off wallet into a separate mechanism: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2014#890284

01:37:46 assbot: Logged on 23-10-2014 05:07:32; mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> connected with serial cable << this from reading up on old mpex material ?

01:37:50 asciilifeform: and that's pretty much it

01:38:17 asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu ever feels like saying any more on the subject, he can.

01:38:23 asciilifeform: other than that, 'take it or leave it'

01:38:31 decimation: asciilifeform: what is electrum other than 'wallet split from node'?

01:38:56 *: asciilifeform can't comment re: 'electrum', never used

01:39:18 asciilifeform: does it know how to communicate over a serial cable with a full node ?

01:39:38 asciilifeform: or does it open ordinary sockets and expect a tcp stack

01:40:22 shinohai: mircea_popescu has already provided an ample amount of reading between logs and fraudsters xD

01:40:31 *: asciilifeform knows that one can 'theoretically' be turned into the other, but is not so much interested in the particulars as in the overall flavour of the design, as to whether it rejected networking to begin with

01:40:39 decimation: it uses a tcp connection with a special block server I think

01:40:45 asciilifeform: ugh

01:40:49 asciilifeform: needs a custom bitcoind ?

01:40:51 asciilifeform: wtf is the point

01:41:03 decimation: yeah I think so, not sure

01:41:45 decimation: https://github.com/spesmilo/electrum-server < "The server requires bitcoind, leveldb and plyvel"

01:41:47 assbot: spesmilo/electrum-server · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1LLtISX )

01:41:53 asciilifeform: ick

01:41:54 decimation: apparently it gloms onto rpc port

01:41:57 asciilifeform: no thx

01:42:36 decimation: what would an 'electrum replacement' need?

01:42:48 asciilifeform: what is the purpose of said replacement ?

01:43:00 decimation: okay, you have serial line connected to bitcoind

01:43:19 asciilifeform: elementary

01:43:21 decimation: how do I find txns for accounting in my wallet

01:43:27 decimation: and send txns

01:43:27 asciilifeform: thing on the other side needs to know how to sign a tx

01:43:33 decimation: aye

01:43:44 asciilifeform: the bitcoind, in turn, needs to know how to 1) crap out a proper tx for it to sign 2) eat the result

01:44:10 decimation: account belongs on the public side?

01:44:21 asciilifeform: account ?

01:44:28 asciilifeform: public ?

01:44:33 decimation: essentially, querying the blockchain for my txns

01:44:45 shinohai: I can't get electrum right for shit. I did a test tx using pywallet to import a privkey

01:45:22 asciilifeform: decimation: neither side, properly speaking, ought to be 'public'

01:45:31 decimation: this goes to the ancient thread about what bitcoind should do

01:45:34 asciilifeform: the full node is '-connect'ed to a public-facing node, yes

01:45:43 decimation: so need to query for my txns

01:45:55 asciilifeform: query the cutout (said full node)

01:46:04 decimation: across serial cable?

01:46:07 asciilifeform: aha

01:46:22 decimation: okay, well that's essentially what electrum server does I guess

01:46:34 decimation: except this feature could be integrated into bitcoind

01:46:40 asciilifeform: except i'm not sure why this requires GBytes of rubbish

01:46:42 asciilifeform: and weird dependencies

01:46:45 asciilifeform: aha

01:46:47 decimation: well, yeah

01:47:59 decimation: !gettrust DanyAlos assbot

01:47:59 assbot: Trust relationship from user DanyAlos to user assbot: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=DanyAlos&to=assbot | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/assbot/

01:50:45 asciilifeform: https://medium.com/@Stunna/breaking-the-house-63f1021a3e6d << mega-l0l

01:50:46 assbot: Breaking the house — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1ITq8zW )

01:51:01 decimation: http://www.bbc.com/news/health-33362472 < "She told the BBC that "Children with autism didn't show this modulation at all - they took the same sniff for the smell of shampoo as they did for rotten fish." "They also showed that the more severe the symptoms of autism the longer the children inhaled the unpleasant smells. "

01:51:03 assbot: Sniffing could provide autism test - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1ITqaYA )

01:51:30 asciilifeform: 'Part of the functionality of our site is that we have to give out decrypted server seeds (to assure users no bet manipulation has occurred) and put a new random seed in place, essentially trashing the old revealed seed. Hufflepuff found a way to ?confuse? our server, and made it give out a decrypted server seed that was also an active seed. This was done by sending it more requests than it could handle in a small time per

01:51:30 asciilifeform: iod, think hundreds of requests in under a second. The result of this is that he knew all the information required to corroborate the outcomes of his bets. He knew whether if he would win or lose, and could wager accordingly.'

01:52:58 decimation: lol why do they need to give seed

01:53:11 asciilifeform: same reason 'satoshi dice' did ?

01:53:27 asciilifeform: the whole 'provably fair' thing

01:53:29 decimation: why not build physical source of entropy

01:53:56 asciilifeform: because go & prove that it is a physical whatever, rather than a house-always-wins source

01:54:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20350 @ 0.00052155 = 10.6135 BTC [+]

01:54:12 asciilifeform: same reason vegas uses prng (supplied, incidentally, by usg)

01:54:30 decimation: if house always wins, people will realized and move on

01:55:25 *: asciilifeform doesn't care for either kind of dice game, cannot comment re: the appeal of 'provable' ones

01:56:10 asciilifeform: one obvious observation, however, is that 'house' can never prove that it had not shared its seeds with a shill

01:56:21 decimation: yeah, me neither, but sending the server seed seems like you are putting your balls on the chopping block

01:56:25 asciilifeform: whose only purpose is to be one of the 'provably fair' winners that day

01:56:37 decimation: heh good point

01:57:15 asciilifeform: iirc the satoshidice inventor offered a reward to anyone who might devise a means whereby he can prove that he doesn't do this

01:57:19 asciilifeform: it was never claimed

01:57:45 asciilifeform: now, it is not physically impossible to solve this problem

01:58:01 asciilifeform: (see, for example, the 'millionaire protocol')

01:58:08 asciilifeform: but afaik this was never pursued by anyone.

01:58:17 decimation: I would think it would require examining the outcome of every player's bet

02:00:03 asciilifeform: decimation: that is only needed when one is verifying the 'fair' bit

02:00:51 asciilifeform: http://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2012/04/poker-is-hard-especially-for.html << see also shamir's famous 'mental poker'.

02:00:52 assbot: A Few Thoughts on Cryptographic Engineering: Poker is hard, especially for cryptographers ... ( http://bit.ly/1ITruKY )

02:01:04 asciilifeform: ^ contains a link to the original paper, for anyone unfamiliar.

02:02:45 decimation: interesting.

02:07:26 asciilifeform: http://xenbits.xen.org/xsa/advisory-135.html << moar lulz. yet another (!) xen escape

02:07:27 assbot: XSA-135 - Xen Security Advisories ... ( http://bit.ly/1LLvIKF )

02:07:42 asciilifeform: based on yet another piece of qemu cruft

02:07:55 decimation: how much worse is docker?

02:08:05 asciilifeform: (not to be confused with the last such, which relied on a flawed emulation of pc floppy card. this one uses nic.)

02:08:19 asciilifeform: decimation: not comparable

02:08:26 asciilifeform: afaik

02:08:30 decimation: asciilifeform: did you see the cache telegraphy escape?

02:08:38 asciilifeform: decimation: that's not an escaper

02:08:44 asciilifeform: it's a known backchannel, yes

02:08:49 asciilifeform: but not an arbitrary code exec thing

02:08:53 decimation: aye

02:16:08 trinque: decimation: docker's a piece of shit for its own reasons

02:17:44 trinque: yet another "lets try to layer tape upon the turd and hope that solves the underlying derp of the system"

02:19:10 trinque: whereas xen is a hypervisor, docker uses the linux containers thing, which effectively gives you multiple userspaces

02:19:38 trinque: the docker daemon itself is this vast wad o' golang that runs as root

02:19:40 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu https://github.com/Rossem/RedditStorage << somebody liked your reddit-shitburial idea

02:19:41 assbot: Rossem/RedditStorage · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1ITu3wI )

02:19:41 gribble: The operation succeeded.

02:19:50 decimation: people have emphasized docker's security benefits

02:20:24 asciilifeform: gotta love the 's333k000r1ty benefitz' of running a blob of hipsterystrange as root

02:20:27 trinque: assuming the hardware, kernel, distro, docker, distro, and your proggy are perfect, sure!

02:21:42 decimation: asciilifeform: maybe you can use systemd to boot it

02:22:02 trinque: I would expect (as admittedly a casual in the kernel space) to find the same kinds of break-out flaws in docker and linux containers as are found all the time in xen

02:22:29 trinque: and also, docker sets up and manages its own fancy virtual network between your containers

02:22:33 trinque: so probably loads to be done to that thing too

02:23:17 shinohai: i use docker on hashbang, but it is like a Rube Goldberg cartoon

02:23:49 trinque: shinohai: yeah I used it on deedbot to make a final judgment

02:23:54 trinque: fuckinthingsucks.gif

02:23:57 decimation: does docker actually emulate a hardware nic like qemu

02:25:31 shinohai: For instance, this may have been a forerunner of BTCXT http://notquant.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/rube.gif

02:25:33 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ITuS8z )

02:25:53 trinque: decimation: I believe so; inside your container you have your own network device

02:26:11 trinque: shinohai: not byzantine enough

02:26:24 asciilifeform: http://torrentfreak.com/elsevier-cracks-down-on-pirated-scientific-articles-150609 << somehow missed this when it was 'news'

02:26:24 assbot: Elsevier Cracks Down on Pirated Scientific Articles | TorrentFreak ... ( http://bit.ly/1ITuXJs )

02:26:42 mats: no, it doesn't do device emulation

02:26:56 decimation: asciilifeform: https://universonline.nl/2015/07/02/dutch-universities-start-their-elsevier-boycott-plan

02:26:57 assbot: Dutch universities start their Elsevier boycott plan | Univers ... ( http://bit.ly/1ITv2gh )

02:27:13 mats: http://www.slideshare.net/jpetazzo/introduction-to-docker-and-a-bit-more-at-lspe-meetup-sunnyvale << according to this doc

02:27:16 assbot: Introduction to Docker (and a bit more) at LSPE meetup Sunnyvale ... ( http://bit.ly/1ITv3kh )

02:27:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14032 @ 0.00052155 = 7.3184 BTC [+]

02:28:14 mats: slide 7 reads neither HVM nor PV

02:28:45 decimation: asciilifeform: how are they gonna get an injunction against bookfi?

02:28:56 decimation: isn't it based in ukraine?

02:29:04 asciilifeform: usg colony

02:29:12 asciilifeform: among the most eager to slurp up the cock

02:29:22 decimation: seems lik an opportunity for ru

02:29:45 asciilifeform: ru is on a 'dictatorship of the law' and 'property rights' kick

02:29:47 asciilifeform: so doubtful

02:30:29 decimation: lulz

02:30:55 decimation: what about the days when su judge would consult telephone to moscow before ruling

02:33:01 decimation: mats: it seems to be chroot with some device/pid/ipc space sharing

02:35:33 trinque: mats: looks like it might be coming https://github.com/docker/docker/issues/9983

02:35:35 assbot: Proposal: Network Drivers · Issue #9983 · docker/docker · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1LLxH1A )

02:42:16 mats: ic

02:57:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29150 @ 0.00052155 = 15.2032 BTC [+]

02:57:14 decimation: http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/30/heres-why-an-officer-was-legally-allowed-to-shoot-the-escaped-prisoner-in-the-back/ < "You cannot shoot any fleeing felon, but certainly you can shoot the one who poses a real threat. There was no reason to believe this person who had killed a police officer before was not posing a real threat."

02:57:15 assbot: Why Police Can Legally Shoot Fleeing Prison Escapees | The Daily Caller ... ( http://bit.ly/1LLzbsG )

02:57:49 decimation: apparently if you commit a felony involving violence, the police can summarily execute you if the 'feel you pose a threat'

02:59:34 asciilifeform: decimation: iirc, in mexico it is not unlawful to escape from a prison. (in the sense that such a prisoner will not have an additional sentence imposed if caught alive.) but, similarly to usa, it is permissible for police to shoot escapees if they feel like it.

02:59:59 decimation: only if they feel you 'pose a threat'

03:01:21 decimation: http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/19/obama-confuses-white-house-for-prison/ < related "?We should be reforming our criminal justice system in such a way that we are not incarcerating nonviolent offenders in ways that renders them incapable of getting a job after they leave office,? Obama said, effectively comparing being in prison to being in office."

03:01:22 assbot: Obama Confuses 'White House' For 'Prison' | The Daily Caller ... ( http://bit.ly/1GTdNuj )

03:02:11 asciilifeform: related famous bushism: 'Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.'

03:02:19 decimation: heh

03:09:18 decimation: http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/06/google-dev-apologizes-after-photos-app-tags-black-people-as-gorillas/ < lolz

03:09:19 assbot: Google dev apologizes after Photos app tags black people as “gorillas” | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1LLA4BF )

03:10:00 asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/gallery/Cwma0Kf << related mega-classic

03:10:01 assbot: A face-swap app registered the car's tire rim as a face... - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1LLA8Bh )

03:11:15 decimation: asciilifeform: this is terrible news, now all learning algorithms are going to need 'political filters'

03:11:27 decimation: like a party political officer in every server

03:11:57 asciilifeform: logical extension of 'party member in every elevator ride in every office'

03:13:07 decimation: maybe if we end up in the same sharishka we can work on identifying the voice of traitors together

03:13:37 asciilifeform: iirc the israelis have that scamarket cornered for decades

03:14:33 asciilifeform: (a scamarket, naturally, consists of a crown concession to perpetrate a particular kind of scam.)

03:15:33 decimation: note that scamarkets were generally the only market for most of history

03:15:42 asciilifeform: wai wut

03:16:00 asciilifeform: thinking of the guild system ?

03:16:52 decimation: yeah, plus 'crown monopolies'

03:34:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42700 @ 0.00051347 = 21.9252 BTC [-]

03:47:57 mod6: 107+

03:48:01 mod6: er 207+

03:48:10 asciilifeform: 306200+

03:48:26 asciilifeform: looks like these are going at about same rate

03:49:33 mod6: nice

03:49:46 mod6: how long have you been sync'ing for now? 2 days?

03:51:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16849 @ 0.00051347 = 8.6515 BTC [-]

03:51:19 asciilifeform: approx. 35 hrs

03:51:30 mod6: ah sweet.

03:51:52 mod6: typical sync via irc seeding took me ~6 days

03:52:12 mod6: seems like this is going faster, but we'll see how long it takes to go from 300k-350k

04:11:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2115 @ 0.00051347 = 1.086 BTC [-]

04:17:22 trinque: http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/smartphone-apps/facebook-wants-to-get-inside-your-brain-20150703-gi3jjg << lol, facebook is going to invent brain-computer interface telepathy!

04:17:23 assbot: Why Facebook wants to get inside your brain ... ( http://bit.ly/1gdZ47E )

04:17:25 trinque: the bullshit never ends

04:19:13 trinque: Since Facebook's 2012 IPO, it has needed a compelling "story" to tell corporate investors, says IBRS analyst Guy Cranswick. << btw the new meaning of the quotation mark in english is herein lie lies

04:20:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4175 @ 0.00052027 = 2.1721 BTC [+] {2}

04:32:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43050 @ 0.00052161 = 22.4553 BTC [+] {2}

04:45:34 trinque: ffa

04:45:45 trinque: whoops

04:48:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101950 @ 0.00052295 = 53.3148 BTC [+] {2}

04:49:03 trinque: http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2015/7/cnn-to-broadcast-corporate-propaganda-as-news.html << "news-like" content

04:49:04 assbot: CNN to Broadcast Corporate Propaganda as News? | Al Jazeera America ... ( http://bit.ly/1HAL4AS )

04:54:38 trinque: something suitable for the human-like creatures eating food-like matter on a couch-like object in a home-like hovel they quasi-own

04:55:34 asciilifeform: lulzily, continuing old thread http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181581 , http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/7/1/us-cuba-embassy.html

04:55:34 assbot: Logged on 30-06-2015 04:33:53; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181553 << yes, there will be plenty of 'work' to be had there, re-converting the island back into a u.s. bordello as it was in batista's time; 'privatizing' and demolishing the spiffiest pharama plants in the western hemisphere; shipping the best doctors to drive cabs in nyc; etc

04:55:35 assbot: US, Cuba to Reopen Embassies | Al Jazeera America ... ( http://bit.ly/1HALG9P )

04:55:51 asciilifeform: or rather, http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/7/1/how-to-resolve-american-property-claims-in-cuba.html

04:55:51 assbot: How To Resolve American Property Claims In Cuba? | Al Jazeera America ... ( http://bit.ly/1HALMy9 )

04:59:26 asciilifeform: (why not the claims of old spain? of indians?)

05:02:39 trinque: in that case I'd like to claim my family's pre-mussolini wealth from italy

05:03:32 trinque: adjusted for inflation, please.

05:27:45 BingoBoingo: More of Reddit punching itself https://archive.is/x1dPs

05:27:47 assbot: Why was /r/IAmA, along with a number of other large subreddits, made private? : OutOfTheLoop ... ( http://bit.ly/1f7tqbQ )

05:31:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54550 @ 0.00052718 = 28.7577 BTC [+] {2}

06:04:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22600 @ 0.00052728 = 11.9165 BTC [+]

06:07:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53699 @ 0.00051251 = 27.5213 BTC [-] {3}

06:23:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61800 @ 0.00052728 = 32.5859 BTC [+]

06:30:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24527 @ 0.00052728 = 12.9326 BTC [+]

06:50:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80800 @ 0.00052893 = 42.7375 BTC [+] {2}

06:53:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19056 @ 0.00052919 = 10.0842 BTC [+]

07:27:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32253 @ 0.00051169 = 16.5035 BTC [-]

08:20:32 assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 248 @ 0.00429723 = 1.0657 BTC [+] {3}

08:54:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35248 @ 0.00051161 = 18.0332 BTC [-] {2}

09:10:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54000 @ 0.00051147 = 27.6194 BTC [-]

09:33:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65650 @ 0.00051469 = 33.7894 BTC [+] {2}

10:05:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28445 @ 0.00052969 = 15.067 BTC [+] {2}

10:17:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10150 @ 0.00053093 = 5.3889 BTC [+]

10:52:18 davout: jurov: if you want a couple pogos i can send them to you

10:53:19 jurov: davout yes, 2 pcs?

10:53:32 davout: sure

10:53:50 davout: pm me a postal address and i'll send them

10:55:06 jurov: how much per?

10:55:30 davout: well, zero

10:55:51 jurov: lolk

10:57:56 jurov: <Vexual> how come u get free shit?

10:58:00 jurov: !up Vexual

10:58:32 jurov: whaddaya know, maybe davout owes me some ...er... favors?

10:58:57 jurov: or me to him?

11:00:41 jurov: Vexual btw, if you have played eulora, you could have 1337 satoshi per day... for free

11:01:01 jurov: plus some utterly vexing and hapless dreams gratis

11:01:20 Vexual: you're dreaming eulora?

11:01:32 jurov: yea

11:01:43 Vexual: woah

11:02:03 Vexual: that usually means its good

11:03:00 jurov: and i'm not alone

11:03:11 Vexual: i must say im more than a little intigued, even discounting the favours you mentioned

11:04:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34250 @ 0.00053093 = 18.1844 BTC [+]

11:06:56 HeySteve: you too, jurov?

11:08:39 jurov: (^ ^)

11:08:51 Vexual: is it as you nod off, or during rem?

11:09:25 jurov: i only remember morning dreams, so rem perhaps

11:09:46 HeySteve: only other game I can remember dreaming about is original Doom

11:10:05 HeySteve: probably does mean it's good or compelling in some way

11:10:22 HeySteve: once I'm done with Witcher 3, I want to see if I can make some progress in figuring it out

11:11:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16450 @ 0.00053093 = 8.7338 BTC [+]

11:15:18 jurov: HeySteve: there's mining delay in eulora now, so you can multitask :D

11:16:40 jurov: !up julmac

11:17:44 julmac: :o

11:21:44 jurov: hello

11:24:38 HeySteve: the thing about Witcher 3 is you can amass a huge inventory of weird parts, like monster tongues and bits of string

11:25:17 HeySteve: but there's no experimenting in what you can make from them

11:26:59 Vexual: is it multiplayer witcher?

11:29:06 jurov: !up Vexual

11:35:24 Vexual: "whats it all about?" "just try it" <when did games become like lsd?

11:37:06 HeySteve: no it's not, Vexual

11:37:43 Vexual: yeah i googled it, i felt a bit silly typing "is witcher multiplayer"

11:38:18 jurov: http://www.dianacoman.com/ << btw what is eulora about

11:38:19 assbot: Ossasepia ... ( http://bit.ly/1IUJLHM )

11:38:19 Vexual: i spilled some doritos for effect

11:39:55 Vexual: oooh, screenshots, thanks

11:40:40 HeySteve: http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/11/pepsi-is-testing-doritos-flavored-mountain-dew/382542/

11:40:43 assbot: Why, Why Is Pepsi Testing Doritos-Flavored Mountain Dew? - The Atlantic ... ( http://bit.ly/1IUK05z )

11:40:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64200 @ 0.00052465 = 33.6825 BTC [-]

11:45:19 *: Vexual discovers Foxy's Useful Items shop

11:46:31 Vexual: chairs for the head is a pillow?

11:46:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00052568 = 8.4634 BTC [+]

11:47:27 Vexual: headstool?

11:49:06 Vexual: flotsam i get

11:49:41 jurov: https://www.flickr.com/photos/foildesign/4163142997 << a true eulorian

11:51:41 Vexual: ok i read backwards, but i wont read day 1

11:52:43 Vexual: faark theres a cookbook (tm)

11:53:11 Vexual: gin looks good

11:53:40 Vexual: i'll take two cruddy hos and a clump of fat slag please

11:53:59 jurov: we have only ordinary slags

11:54:08 Vexual: its an actual head chair

11:54:45 Vexual: oh flat, sorry, i misread

11:54:53 jurov: yes. you must take a photo with a chair on the head to receive it ingame

11:55:43 Vexual: i cant even

11:56:25 jurov: and don't ask me about demeaning urabihs harness

11:56:54 Vexual: now i must

11:56:56 Vexual: what is it?

11:57:14 jurov: very advanced stuff

11:57:40 jurov: as diana_coman can testify

11:58:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32271 @ 0.00052558 = 16.961 BTC [-] {2}

11:58:06 Vexual: thanks for the insight conman

11:58:29 jurov: she wore out several of them

12:01:22 *: jurov got pms both from vexual and diana :DDD

12:01:39 jurov: not gonna answer them, come out there

12:01:43 jurov: !up Vexual

12:02:25 jurov: diana_coman: do you still have the harness pic somewhere?

12:03:12 jurov: !up diana_coman

12:03:18 diana_coman: thanks jurov

12:03:37 diana_coman: and lol, I actually did not manage to wear out even one of those

12:03:45 diana_coman: very solid for a piece of thread basically :)))

12:04:00 diana_coman: but Vexual, why not just come in game and have a look?

12:04:27 Vexual: no ass status

12:05:06 jurov: !gettrust assbot muxne

12:05:06 assbot: muxne is not registered in WoT.

12:05:13 jurov: !gettrust assbot Vexual

12:05:13 assbot: Vexual is not registered in WoT.

12:05:20 diana_coman: so just register?

12:06:14 Vexual: well, yes

12:07:21 Vexual: what kinda machine is reqd?

12:07:32 Vexual: for the game

12:08:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35600 @ 0.00053093 = 18.9011 BTC [+]

12:08:25 diana_coman: uhm, nothing special real, just a decent (not even very new or anything video card

12:08:46 diana_coman: there was some concrete info on this in the last post on fraudsters I think

12:09:18 Vexual: thanks

12:14:47 Vexual: jurov osx?

12:15:07 diana_coman: btw Vexual, once you get it, you might want to come by to me as I can give you some stuff to get started

12:15:17 diana_coman: get in*

12:15:48 Vexual: yeah, i might need to find some flotsam before i find some flotsam

12:16:09 Vexual: is it bandwidth heavy?

12:16:46 diana_coman: I did not really check it, but if it works even in this neck of the woods, it can't really be

12:17:18 Vexual: lol, u run on tin cans too?

12:17:55 diana_coman: sometimes pretty much, yeah

12:23:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6836 @ 0.00052465 = 3.5865 BTC [-]

12:25:34 jurov: http://www.cnbc.com/id/102799503

12:25:36 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1LYVCb2 )

12:25:49 jurov: "Survey says: 35 percent of Americans would expatriate"

12:26:51 Vexual: yeah they wash up here like flotsam

12:36:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24273 @ 0.00052136 = 12.655 BTC [-] {2}

12:37:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3774 @ 0.00051917 = 1.9593 BTC [-]

13:15:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90392 @ 0.00050635 = 45.77 BTC [-] {4}

13:16:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101008 @ 0.00049542 = 50.0414 BTC [-] {4}

13:36:50 decimation: lul "As much as Victoria is loved, this reaction is not all a result of her departure: there is a feeling among many of the moderators of reddit that the admins do not respect the work that is put in by the thousands of unpaid volunteers who maintain the communities of the 9,656 active subreddits, which they feel is expressed by, among other things, the lack of communication between them and the admins, and their disregard of the thou

13:37:30 decimation: oh no the reddit owners treat the tens of thousands of people that work for them for free as slaves!

13:43:50 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184469 << this has *always* gotten up my nose

13:43:50 assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 20:44:30; ascii_field: 'getdata is used in response to inv... ...t can be used to retrieve transactions, but only if they are in the memory pool or relay set - arbitrary access to transactions in the chain is not allowed to avoid having clients start to depend on nodes having full transaction indexes (which modern nodes do not).'

13:45:43 decimation: wait why don't they have the transactions?

13:46:06 decimation: or is it just saying that they aren't databased efficiently?

13:46:54 decimation: such a thing would be needed for the 'private wallet query service' that ascii and I discussed last night

13:47:19 ben_vulpes: decimation: now is when i confess to a quarter-implemented blockchain->relational db importer

13:47:52 ben_vulpes: attn aspiring asseteers!

13:48:15 shinohai: >.>

13:48:43 ben_vulpes: if you had the whole blockchain querieable in postgres, you could infer account balances in the usual fashion and sell reads over a pg connection

13:49:23 decimation: yeah, or any relational database

13:49:28 decimation: like bdb for instance

13:49:37 ben_vulpes: has anyone verified the full chain as puked out from asciilifeform's `shitblock`?

13:50:37 shinohai: I just now got connected to mp's node so i guess i got to start over

13:51:34 ben_vulpes: huh bdb is actually relational?

13:51:49 ben_vulpes: i was under the impression that it was either not relational or was only being used in bitcoind as a kv store

13:52:07 ben_vulpes: p. sure the transaction indices were tossed for space saving reasons aka shitgnomery

13:52:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37900 @ 0.00050923 = 19.2998 BTC [+]

13:53:49 decimation: ah you are right, it isn't relational, it's just a key value hash

13:54:18 ben_vulpes: fucking kv stores

13:54:27 decimation: I can see 'saving space' for the transactional table, but why also keep the blockchain in binary form?

13:54:51 ben_vulpes: i've lost weeks, months of my life to the unqueriability of mongo and phriendz

13:55:05 decimation: I suspect satoshi intended on making a transactional database using the block .dat files at a later date

13:55:19 ben_vulpes: the whole thing should be in sqlite at the very least

13:55:21 decimation: shitgnome bitcoin devs never bothered apparently

13:55:22 decimation: aye

13:55:35 ben_vulpes: but perhaps there's a good reason for writing the blocks directly to disk that i'm not grasping

13:56:22 decimation: yeah I don't grasp it either

13:56:32 decimation: other than 'wanting a backup copy'

13:56:45 *: ben_vulpes does not see the problem with hashing values queried directly out of the db

13:56:48 decimation: or using it to feed another tool, like has been accomplished

13:57:04 decimation: mongo is the hotness these days

13:57:07 ben_vulpes: if you're storing as the appropriate ints, floats, doubles, strings etc

13:57:22 ben_vulpes: you can even derp the raw binary into pg if you're so inclined

13:57:37 ben_vulpes: decimation: i'm finally seeing the tide receed from mongo's highwater

13:57:45 ben_vulpes: recede

13:58:01 decimation: yeah, there are situations where 'nosql' is appropriate, but plenty of situations where you want structured queries too

13:58:27 ben_vulpes: no man

13:58:47 ben_vulpes: i've yet to see the real world problem that a nosql db was actually the right solution to that wasn't actually a cacheing/cdn problem

13:58:58 decimation: heh

13:59:06 ben_vulpes: (and even that can be handled by mother postgres at rather high efficiencies these days)

13:59:15 decimation: the only situation I can imagine is if you have a gigantic pile of disorganized data, that probably has a structure

13:59:28 decimation: nosql can be used to sort through your shit into a proper db

13:59:49 decimation: or if you are trying to be google

14:00:33 ben_vulpes: dude if it has a hint of structure it belongs in a relational db

14:01:01 ben_vulpes: otherwise you're going to start running the kind of braindamaged queries your 'nosql' layer support and then glomming it all together into something representing a query in application code

14:01:14 decimation: well, yeah that's the real-world situation.

14:01:37 ben_vulpes: much like any c project eventually grows a miserable half-assed implementation of an eighth of common lisp any nosql project eventually tries to implement relational alggebra

14:01:56 decimation: I'm suggesting an intermediate step where you query your nosql db properly and place the results into a structured relational db

14:02:27 decimation: but yeah I bet most people using 'nosql' just want caches

14:02:42 ben_vulpes: and because none of them were designed for that in the first place because a) it's hard and b) fucking retards write nosql stores for hackernooz points the algebraic layer turns out to never actually work. or it locks everything up while running queries that a real db would plan handle like a boss

14:03:02 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184581 << and fucking how

14:03:02 assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 21:36:09; phf: maze of twisty little passages, all alike

14:03:10 decimation: ^ also note most people are unwilling to pay for something who knows how to db

14:03:18 decimation: s/something/somebody/

14:04:53 ben_vulpes: man you can get a sql user (not an expert, mind you, but someone who understands it has used it and can avoid common retardations) at half time for approximately half the cost of some hotshit "full stack developer" who thinks mongo's a good idea

14:05:19 ben_vulpes: you'll spend less, they'll work less, and your systems will be vastly better for not having mongo in them

14:05:58 decimation: I would pay more for someone who didn't know how to program 'front-end'

14:06:28 *: ben_vulpes to breakfast with meatfriends

14:06:36 decimation: have a good day

14:06:47 ben_vulpes: more later, i have 2 hours of ferry ride coming up

14:09:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44050 @ 0.00051648 = 22.7509 BTC [+]

14:31:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28150 @ 0.00052134 = 14.6757 BTC [+]

14:46:49 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184610 << aye aye

14:46:49 assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 22:19:21; ascii_field: it was screamingly stupid from day 1.

14:50:54 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184638 << asciilifeform, could i get a re-link to that piece on SIDS/implied infanticide?

14:50:54 assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 22:27:27; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184001 << well, look it up. there's a present risk of suffocation, and most sudden infant death correlates with shared sleeping arrangements. baby should have a cot, something. even if it's just a sling hanging off a hook by side of your bed.

15:02:53 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1184817 << paha goodness

15:02:53 assbot: Logged on 03-07-2015 01:24:07; asciilifeform: meanwhile, in turdmeisterdom, http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2015/07/03#l1435884599.0

15:06:05 shinohai: LTC:USD sell = 4.08, buy = 4.11, last = 4.08; high = 4.13, low = 4.00, avg = 4.07 || via BTC-e on 2015-Jul-03 15:06:03 Z

15:09:03 HeySteve: that hearn

15:11:53 shinohai: https://i.imgur.com/WCdOpg6.jpg

15:11:54 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1NBVa31 )

15:27:29 HeySteve: http://i.imgur.com/yzeVd1R.png

15:27:30 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1UhIKCB )

15:30:34 scoopbot_revived: Hits and misses of Ted "The Unabomber" Kaczynski. http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/03/hits-and-misses-of-ted-the-unabomber-kaczynski/

15:44:13 kakobrekla: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33378778 << The Catholic Church wrote in comments submitted after the bill was proposed: "Should freedom of expression go so far as to mean that the identity of a person of faith can be freely insulted, then personal freedom - as individuals or groups - is undermined."

15:44:14 assbot: Iceland makes blasphemy legal - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1UhMCDq )

15:44:16 kakobrekla: just like coinbase.

15:44:48 mats: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLYszpvyED4 oh god...

15:44:49 assbot: Interview with Rashida Jones on Her Porn Documentary 'Hot Girls Wanted' - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1UhMKmu )

15:45:26 shinohai: resyncing to the mp node only, I am impressed with the speed at which I am syncing.

15:46:10 mats: thesis: maybe porn should be regulated so 18 year old girls can't do torture porn because maybe they're being exploited

15:52:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14500 @ 0.00051648 = 7.489 BTC [-]

15:54:28 shinohai: I also like that it doesn't use up a fuckton of memory and bandwidth during sync xD

16:06:30 kakobrekla: http://rt.com/news/271435-kuwait-abuse-dna-database/

16:06:30 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1dCv6Z8 )

16:35:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34400 @ 0.00051671 = 17.7748 BTC [+]

16:38:17 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

16:38:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52754 @ 0.0005188 = 27.3688 BTC [+] {2}

16:38:42 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185169 << published ?

16:38:42 assbot: Logged on 03-07-2015 13:47:19; ben_vulpes: decimation: now is when i confess to a quarter-implemented blockchain->relational db importer

16:38:58 ascii_field: ;;later tell mircea_popescu 332732+

16:38:58 gribble: The operation succeeded.

16:39:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51346 @ 0.00050632 = 25.9975 BTC [-] {2}

16:41:15 ascii_field: ;;later tell ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185228 << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-06-2015#1174632

16:41:15 assbot: Logged on 03-07-2015 14:50:54; ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184638 << asciilifeform, could i get a re-link to that piece on SIDS/implied infanticide?

16:41:15 assbot: Logged on 24-06-2015 23:15:25; gribble: Sarah Blaffer Hrdy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Blaffer_Hrdy; Sarah B. Hrdy — Anthropology: http://anthropology.ucdavis.edu/people/sbhrdy; An Interview with Sarah Blaffer Hrdy on Mother Nature - Scientific ...: http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/primate-diaries/raising-darwins-consciousness-an-interview-with-sarah-blaffer-hrdy- (1 more message)

16:41:16 gribble: The operation succeeded.

16:43:44 ascii_field: ;;later tell ben_vulpes have you considered a blockchain to... s-expression ! tool

16:43:44 gribble: The operation succeeded.

16:44:16 ascii_field: (persist to disk with something like 'elephant')

17:00:01 funkenstein_: eric michael johnson is good blogger, thanks for link :)

17:01:14 BingoBoingo: <mats> thesis: maybe porn should be regulated so 18 year old girls can't do torture porn because maybe they're being exploited << Honestly the documentary's content doesn't seem to support that point even though it advocates that point.

17:02:45 scoopbot_revived: Survey: More Than a Third of American Adults Would Expatriate http://qntra.net/2015/07/survey-more-than-a-third-of-american-adults-would-expatriate/

17:03:11 BingoBoingo: mats: The actual evidence filmed supports the thesis that given the opportunity no one wants to work in fast food.

17:10:59 pete_dushenski: "As there seems to be a political consensus in the U.S. around raising minimum wage to $12-15/hour, if we assume that Americans as a whole will respond to economic incentives in the same way as those who live in Puerto Rico, presumably the 50 states in 10 years will look like Puerto Rico today"

17:11:29 pete_dushenski: ^greenspun rehashing the 'usa becomes africa just like it always wanted' thing from the logs

17:11:35 pete_dushenski: he reads 'em !

17:11:57 *: pete_dushenski waves to phil

17:13:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37000 @ 0.0005095 = 18.8515 BTC [+]

17:14:36 pete_dushenski: "We have 50 million people getting food stamps. What if, for at least one meal per day, those 50 million people were invited to come to a social meal? The same deal with SSDI. We could offer enhanced SSDI benefits for those who move to an “SSDI party village” where at least half of the neighbors are also on SSDI."

17:14:37 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

17:14:43 ascii_field: pete_dushenski: link ?

17:14:56 pete_dushenski: ok, that's kinda a lulzy idea...http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2015/07/03/can-puerto-rico-be-a-laboratory-for-the-future-of-the-rest-of-the-u-s/

17:15:50 ascii_field: 'What if, for at least one meal per day, those 50 million people were invited to come to a social meal?' << kolhoz !!

17:16:08 pete_dushenski: this 'ssdi party village' sounds like a soviet full moon party

17:16:24 ascii_field: except that those folks ~worked~

17:16:45 pete_dushenski: sure, like kibbutz

17:16:58 pete_dushenski: like everywhere without straight iv dole

17:17:24 pete_dushenski: want to eat ? first, work.

17:17:25 ascii_field: 'straight dole' only works if coolies are breaking their backs somewhere

17:18:01 pete_dushenski: or if bezzlars are being magicked into existence

17:18:31 pete_dushenski: which, i suppose, only works when those bezzlars are being traded to back breaking labour across the pond somewheres

17:18:43 pete_dushenski: s/to/for

17:26:14 pete_dushenski: http://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2015/07/apple-working-on-new-apple-pay-wallet-service-for-person-to-person-financial-transactions.html

17:26:16 assbot: Apple Working on new Apple Pay Wallet service for Person-to-Person Financial Transactions - Patently Apple ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iz7DoE )

17:27:08 pete_dushenski: ^usg tries to make p2p bitcoin transactions only legal using x in y place

17:27:21 pete_dushenski: sorta a decentralised circle

17:27:45 pete_dushenski: not gonna fly, obviously, but hey, rat always tries to swim before sinking

17:29:05 ascii_field: pete_dushenski: ted k. had a book!

17:29:12 ascii_field: pete_dushenski: written from jail. mega-recommended

17:29:42 pete_dushenski: did not know that !

17:29:55 pete_dushenski: i knew of his two auto-biographies from his youth and early middle age

17:30:05 ascii_field: pete_dushenski: 'Technological Slavery'

17:30:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00051722 = 1.6551 BTC [+]

17:30:42 pete_dushenski: ascii_field: will add to roster of your mega-recommendations

17:31:05 pete_dushenski: rise of early modern science is on shelf

17:31:37 pete_dushenski: other b-a books include mp-advised 'secret life of dali'

17:31:40 ascii_field: i dare say mr k's thing is a bit more... current

17:31:52 ascii_field: in the sense of applicability to pete_dushenski's favourite subjects

17:33:15 pete_dushenski: then a huntin' i shall go, a huntin' i shall go, hi ho the marry-o, a huntin' i shall go.

17:33:24 ascii_field: now, plenty of folks predicted 'computer tyranny' - e.g, weizenbaum (of 'eliza' !) in his '70s 'computer power and human reason' - but,

17:33:38 ascii_field: afaik nobody predicted that ~dysfunctional~ computing would be the mechanism

17:34:07 pete_dushenski: well, 'dysfuntional' is a matter of perspective, isn't it

17:34:14 mod6: 237k+

17:34:28 ascii_field: pete_dushenski: in the sense of 'sorry, wasn't us, it was this bug'

17:34:37 pete_dushenski: computers aren't rakes nor tractors, but they're fantastic noise machines.

17:38:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78900 @ 0.00051722 = 40.8087 BTC [+]

17:41:42 ascii_field: in other nyooz, apparently 'reddit' has imploded and replaced with a very similar service, 'voat.co'

17:41:51 BingoBoingo: Indeed.

17:43:43 pete_dushenski: so voat.co/r/redditard ?

17:44:05 BingoBoingo: Well voat.co/v/redditard

17:44:12 ascii_field: looks like a straight clone

17:44:28 punkman: pete_dushenski: computers aren't rakes nor tractors << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=22-06-2015#1172051

17:44:28 assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 13:43:47; punkman: "Poole said that one neighbor using self-driving technology downloaded a software update that disabled his tractor for a week in the middle of planting season this spring. If a system is working, farmers will often hold off on updates rather than risk complications"

17:45:14 BingoBoingo: ascii_field: It's a workalike. Apparently had a few previous names it burned through before they decided to just wait for reddit to kill itself.

17:45:53 pete_dushenski: punkman: ah yes, how farmers don't own the tools of their trade. sad story, that.

17:46:47 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

17:46:50 ascii_field: can't wait for the first famine directly traceable to winblowz

17:47:28 decimation: yeah, I was talking with a farmer once, apparently john deere etc are investing heavily in fully autonomous tractors

17:47:42 decimation: because 1/1000 is too many working on the farms

17:47:46 ascii_field: in other nyooz, http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/07/01/nz_swings_banhammer_at_trolls

17:47:49 assbot: With Hobbit and LoTR in the can, Trolls no longer welcome in New Zealand • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1FYu4NH )

17:48:09 funkenstein_: i'm holding out for the john deere tin woman

17:48:09 decimation: maybe in the future all farms will be owned by ADM, dept of usg agriculture

17:48:44 decimation: actually I would pay good money for a robot that could wonder through a yard and pull weeds

17:48:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38200 @ 0.00051016 = 19.4881 BTC [-] {2}

17:48:56 *: shinohai wants to use this version of windowze https://transfer.sh/BXQKy/windowze.jpg

17:48:57 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FYubc6 )

17:49:00 decimation: bonus points if it identifies species

17:49:08 ascii_field: and http://www.cjr.org/watchdog/under_spains_gag_law_covering_the_news_could_cost_you.php

17:49:09 assbot: Under Spain's gag law, covering the news could cost you - Columbia Journalism Review ... ( http://bit.ly/1FYubJ1 )

17:49:47 decimation: why doesn't vice/roshida jones cover actual abridgement of freedom of expression

17:49:59 decimation: like, why can't I communicate the blockchain to anyone I wish, in any way I wish

17:50:03 phf: i was exploring block storage format, so i wrote some lisp code to read blocks out of .dat in sequence or directly from dumpblock'ed file http://paste.lisp.org/+38JG. i'm not sure where i'm going with it, so i'm leaving it here for interested parties.

17:50:03 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IzbYbq )

17:50:04 decimation: or bank in a way that I desire

17:50:25 ascii_field: phf: neato!

17:50:46 pete_dushenski: decimation: this is what roundup tries to do

17:51:07 pete_dushenski: engineered biocide

17:51:29 ascii_field: phf: post it to therealbitcoin.org ml!

17:51:35 decimation: myeah, but it kills grass too

17:52:12 pete_dushenski: decimation: well, it's a robot, not that bright y'know

17:52:35 punkman: https://github.com/coinbase/toshi << this saves the blockchain in postgres btw

17:52:37 assbot: coinbase/toshi · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1FYuyDs )

17:52:53 decimation: it would be neat if bitcoind could generate the same kinds of stats as blockchain.info

17:52:55 ascii_field: punkman: is there one that isn't in a shitlang ?

17:52:59 decimation: or perhaps a bolt-on

17:53:13 punkman: ascii_field, probably a few of those

17:53:16 pete_dushenski: decimation: besides, not like usafricanz are expensive labour. at least not within a decade

17:53:21 shinohai: someone should write that in perl

17:53:36 decimation: pete_dushenski: the problem is that usg bids up the price of otherwise servant labor

17:53:46 ascii_field: most expensive in the world

17:53:49 punkman: https://github.com/tinybike/coinbridge

17:53:50 assbot: tinybike/coinbridge · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1FYuDHo )

17:54:08 decimation: usg wisely punishes you for working and rewards you for not

17:54:09 pete_dushenski: decimation: ascii_field until people will take 'room and board' as compensation

17:54:21 pete_dushenski: what minimum wage law can stop that arrangement ?

17:54:30 ascii_field: pete_dushenski: not sure this will show any symptoms of happening any time prior to the die-off

17:54:30 decimation: why would they when they can make $30-60k for being 'poor'

17:54:39 decimation: ^

17:54:51 *: funkenstein_ is looking for such a room and board position

17:54:58 pete_dushenski: ascii_field: which die-off would this be now ?

17:55:07 pete_dushenski: funkenstein_: so many are !

17:55:08 ascii_field: anyway, 99+% of usa ALREADY works for room & board !

17:55:10 *: ascii_field does

17:55:15 decimation: well, I was thinking of when all value passes through the bitcoin hole

17:55:15 ascii_field: it is just done indirectly

17:55:26 pete_dushenski: ascii_field: bullshit you do no such thing.

17:55:34 decimation: ascii they give a little walking-around money too

17:55:38 ascii_field: approximately

17:55:43 pete_dushenski: room & board means ONLY ROOM & BOARD

17:55:50 pete_dushenski: there are no approximations here

17:55:58 pete_dushenski: certainly not ones off by 10%+

17:56:10 ascii_field: in that case, even in auschwitz folks didn't work for 'only room and board'

17:56:30 funkenstein_: well that escalated quickly

17:56:33 pete_dushenski: well, they worked to not be shot in back of head.

17:56:41 ascii_field: not quite

17:56:41 decimation: plus room and board

17:56:44 ascii_field: money existed

17:56:55 ascii_field: (at one point, a variant of paper reichsmark, but at all times - smokes)

17:57:07 pete_dushenski: ascii_field: distributed by nazis ? i think not.

17:57:16 pete_dushenski: used as iou amongst prisoners, sure

17:57:18 ascii_field: well, more complicated

17:57:27 ascii_field: germans paid 'bonuses' with favours

17:57:37 ascii_field: (access to 'posh' jobs, fewer beatings, etc)

17:57:42 ascii_field: which could in turn be traded

17:57:51 ascii_field: this is amply described in the literature

17:57:57 pete_dushenski: still covered under 'room & board' and still circumvents minimum wage fucktardery as presented

17:58:41 pete_dushenski: so yes, auschwitzians lived under room & board arrangement, and no, you do not, ascii_field

17:58:45 ascii_field: anyway, i reason in categories

17:58:57 trinque: pete_dushenski: I had this notion regarding the bums all over portland, that someone should take them to nearby farms for day labor in exchange for meals, showers, and somewhere to be warehoused at night.

17:59:05 trinque: it'd be a vast improvement for their lives

17:59:08 ascii_field: if i'm not paid enough to 'reallocate capital' - to borrow mircea's terminology - than i am in same category as the 'room & board' folks

17:59:41 pete_dushenski: trinque: most certainly. sounds like a swell idea to me.

17:59:54 funkenstein_: Room and board are limited resources. Dorrars, not so much. Countereiters don't control food and bedding.

18:00:02 pete_dushenski: ascii_field: you buying a case of z80s or pogos is reallocating capital

18:00:06 pete_dushenski: however minor

18:00:17 ascii_field: pete_dushenski: capital in the sense of machine-that-lets-you-eat-without-working

18:00:32 ascii_field: not in the sense of my shoes

18:00:37 ascii_field: and shirt

18:02:07 pete_dushenski: ascii_field: this comes back again to the amount of $$$ you imagine is needed to 'eat like king'

18:03:34 pete_dushenski: funkenstein_: to the extent that the federal reserve is a counterfeiter, they most certainly control food (monsanto) and bedding (housing bubble)

18:04:12 funkenstein_: only in so much as farmers and homeowners accept their counterfeits

18:04:19 ascii_field: pete_dushenski: if you believe that i'm overpaying for something, i'd like to hear - for what

18:04:40 ascii_field: pete_dushenski: and where ~you~ buy it, that wouldn't cost me the price of a fleet of 'boeings' to get to...

18:06:12 pete_dushenski: funkenstein_: which, sadly, they do.

18:06:43 mats: BingoBoingo: 'There's no regulation', '... and it's really difficult to believe that the girls who were crying when they're being "raped" are always acting and performing'

18:06:52 pete_dushenski: ascii_field: i guess i'll wait until i see a monthly budget breakdown on loper-os.com before i submit my analysis :)

18:07:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52150 @ 0.00051722 = 26.973 BTC [+]

18:07:28 ascii_field: pete_dushenski: i'll give you something to chew on. for instance: i pay ~700+ usd / mo just to have the possibility of accessing basic medical care if i need it

18:08:13 pete_dushenski: i just threw up in my mouth...

18:08:21 mats: clever manipulation, this. imply women are being preyed on, that they haven't any agency, and that teens should be protected from themselves because she had no idea she was doing torture porn until she got to the set, and didn't resist at the critical moment

18:08:23 funkenstein_: even assuming retarded farmers and homeowners accepting fiat, this is still not "control" in the sense of being able to issues a billion tons of rice. The stuff still has to exist and is limited.

18:08:30 ascii_field: ~2k usd to have reasonably spacious dwelling (90 sq m.)

18:08:57 pete_dushenski: ascii_field: with health and living costs like that, how can you claim you're not overpaying for -anything- ??

18:09:08 funkenstein_: pete_dushenski, lol

18:09:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105609 @ 0.0005028 = 53.1002 BTC [-] {3}

18:09:12 ascii_field: pete_dushenski: because i'm not in a market.

18:09:16 ascii_field: pete_dushenski: can't go anywhere

18:09:43 mats: rashida jones knows exactly what she's doing, and she believes she's manipulating folks into doing the right thing by preying on the viewer's instinct to protect women and children

18:09:56 *: ascii_field would like to the eleven or so threads where he described this, but won't bother, probably everyone reading this recalls

18:10:04 ascii_field: *like to link to

18:10:22 mats: goering would be proud.

18:10:35 pete_dushenski: ascii_field: fair enough, not exactly nyooz, this.

18:10:37 ascii_field: mats: goebbels ?

18:11:09 pete_dushenski: just the way the cookie crumbles for some (includes physical and mental outcomes)

18:11:15 funkenstein_: ascii_field, have you considered that anything costing 700 USD per month is far more likely to be a detriment to health than a basic medical care?

18:11:23 ascii_field: pete_dushenski: as a pathological example: just about anybody's living costs could be lowered by moving to africa, but for some reason very few takers

18:11:58 mats: oops, yes, goebbels

18:11:59 pete_dushenski: ascii_field: u.s. is a big place. not all are so afflicted.

18:12:02 ascii_field: funkenstein_: i pay the 700 in order ~not to wake up with a bill for 500,000~

18:12:16 funkenstein_: the quickest way to an early grave is the AMA

18:12:16 ascii_field: (can still wake up with a bill for 10,000!)

18:12:42 ascii_field: pete_dushenski: for me, usa is this roughly 200 km. sq. spot where i can get to my meatwot

18:12:54 ascii_field: without which i'm worth my weight in pork

18:12:58 ascii_field: (to borrow mircea's term)

18:13:21 pete_dushenski: ascii_field: worth to whom ?

18:13:28 pete_dushenski: employer ? or meatwot ?

18:13:37 ascii_field: same thing

18:14:01 pete_dushenski: meatwot can mean fambly, no ?

18:14:11 ascii_field: what family i've left is in it too

18:14:56 pete_dushenski: ascii_field: well did you ever think that if maybe you weren't so darned talented, you'd have more options ?

18:15:11 ascii_field: lol

18:15:29 ascii_field: a corpse, buried at sea, has the most options:

18:15:32 ascii_field: could go literally anywhere

18:15:43 ascii_field: (though ashes-scattered-in-orbit, from what i hear, is even better)

18:15:47 pete_dushenski: ahh, the good life...

18:15:58 mats: on yesterday's subject of poker: the concept of revealing 'hole cards' as transparency to enable auditing and prevent cheating seems to keep coming up in my discussions about WoT poker with online poker players

18:16:10 mats: is there some way of computing some function of the cards that reveals certain properties of the aggregate of the table without revealing people's particular cards

18:16:18 ascii_field: mats: yes!

18:16:20 mats: homomorphic properties of some crypto-system perhaps

18:16:30 ascii_field: mats: see 'millionaire protocol'

18:16:48 ascii_field: mats: see work of paillier et al

18:16:48 mats: oh, doh, this was mentioned

18:17:00 ascii_field: and shamir for the original poker

18:17:35 mod6: !up ascii_field

18:17:42 ascii_field: ty mod6

18:17:45 mod6: np

18:17:51 ascii_field: how goes your sync

18:18:03 mod6: well! crusing right along.

18:18:23 mod6: 239k+

18:18:31 ascii_field: 335+

18:18:44 mod6: oh wow, your nearly there. great!

18:18:57 mod6: might be just over 48hrs or something for direct sync

18:19:12 ascii_field: largely cpu-bound

18:19:21 ascii_field: incidentally, anybody ever try parallelizing sigchecking ?

18:19:29 mats: got a link/name to paillier paper(s)?

18:19:55 ascii_field: mats: https://github.com/mikeivanov/paillier << example

18:19:56 assbot: mikeivanov/paillier · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1KyrCFy )

18:20:17 ascii_field: http://mhe.github.io/jspaillier

18:20:18 assbot: Javascript Paillier demo page ... ( http://bit.ly/1KyrGVS )

18:20:18 ascii_field: etc

18:20:43 mod6: <+ascii_field> incidentally, anybody ever try parallelizing sigchecking ? << this would be interesting to try & do some perf testing with.

18:20:56 ascii_field: ought to parallelize linearly

18:21:01 trinque: pete_dushenski | ascii_field: well did you ever think that if maybe you weren't so darned talented, you'd have more options ? << if you want to make money in the US economy, don't swim against the bezzle

18:21:10 trinque: trying to do something requiring talent? that's swimming against the bezzle!

18:21:39 pete_dushenski: trinque: lol same in canada

18:21:54 pete_dushenski: i know, i used to work for the largest employer in the province, 5th largest in country

18:21:59 pete_dushenski: 100k+ employees

18:22:13 pete_dushenski: cushy, well paid, and mortally dull

18:22:50 ascii_field: pete_dushenski: well-paid ~per minute of actual work~ ?

18:22:59 ascii_field: because 'mortally dull' sounds like they actually made you work

18:23:03 BingoBoingo: OpenCL sig verification?

18:23:09 ascii_field: BingoBoingo: ick

18:23:22 pete_dushenski: ascii_field: worked 15-20 hrs per week, paid 37.75

18:23:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70551 @ 0.00049859 = 35.176 BTC [-] {3}

18:23:39 pete_dushenski: *paid FOR 37.75 hrs per week

18:23:42 ascii_field: pete_dushenski: might not be making myself clear here. you ~sat in chair~ for x hours, or ~worked~

18:24:16 pete_dushenski: when i sat in chair, about 7-10 hrs per week, i worked

18:24:23 pete_dushenski: rest of the time 'in the field'

18:24:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21150 @ 0.00049171 = 10.3997 BTC [-] {2}

18:24:56 ascii_field: pete_dushenski: what was your profession in those days ?

18:25:12 pete_dushenski: public health inspector :)

18:25:39 ascii_field: so got to see the secret rat-sized cockroaches in restaurants, etc ?

18:25:44 pete_dushenski: 2.5 years across food and housing mostly

18:26:07 pete_dushenski: mould, bed bugs, water damage, flooding in housing

18:26:08 *: ascii_field wonders now if pete_dushenski is physically able to eat in a restaurant now

18:26:13 ascii_field: ah

18:26:32 ascii_field: mats: http://acsc.cs.utexas.edu/libpaillier

18:26:33 assbot: Advanced Crypto Software Collection ... ( http://bit.ly/1KysDgL )

18:26:39 ascii_field: ^ uses gmp

18:26:59 pete_dushenski: ascii_field: i eat out regularly !

18:27:20 pete_dushenski: even the lowest of the low restaurants here, outside chinatown at least, are quite good

18:27:34 pete_dushenski: 'always room for improvement' was what keeps inspectors busy

18:27:50 pete_dushenski: was/is

18:29:20 pete_dushenski: while in food program, i only ever issued one executive officer's order on the spot

18:29:30 pete_dushenski: and it wasn't even a 'closure order'

18:29:45 pete_dushenski: just 'no more games' order

18:30:23 pete_dushenski: fines in alberta can be upwards of $100k for continual violations, plus court costs

18:31:24 pete_dushenski: public health act in alberta has paramouncy over everything except human rights act.

18:31:32 pete_dushenski: interventionism is taken seriously here !

18:33:50 mats: thanks, ascii_field

18:37:23 mats: ;;seen dignork

18:37:24 gribble: dignork was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 9 weeks, 3 days, 1 hour, 16 minutes, and 45 seconds ago: <dignork> mircea_popescu: you wouldn't believe amount of horribly broken code which blows up in ipv6 environment, anything from integer overflows,crashes,malfunctions to firewalls leaving your machine exposed

18:37:57 mats: ;;later tell dignork http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2015#1025687 << this ever go anywhere?

18:37:57 assbot: Logged on 20-02-2015 14:56:37; dignork: mircea_popescu: I can't currently handle it myself, but I can bring a friend and we'll split the work, would you be interested to cooperate?

18:37:57 gribble: The operation succeeded.

18:38:37 mats: oh, probably better to just ping mp about it.

18:38:59 mats: !up dignork

18:39:04 shinohai: ;;later tell mod6 tried the new patches, failed utterly xD

18:39:05 gribble: The operation succeeded.

18:39:33 mats: dignork: sup.

18:39:40 dignork: mats: it's still in dev, but yeah

18:40:01 mats: got an eta?

18:40:37 dignork: not solid, but beta in 2 weeks or so

18:40:52 dignork: private beta so far

18:41:20 ascii_field: dignork wrote a cryptographic poker ?

18:42:03 dignork: ascii_field: it's less cooler than i wished :) For example there is an interesting problem with blind shuffling.

18:42:21 dignork: but no such things in my project :)

18:42:24 mircea_popescu: ascii_field o hey. sweet. anything unusual ?

18:42:37 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: in node? not thus far

18:42:54 mircea_popescu: ragnarok of dissapoint!

18:43:09 ascii_field: well i haven't 'eatblock'ified anything past 217335 yet

18:43:48 mircea_popescu: there is that.

18:44:07 mircea_popescu: anyway i'll feel a lot better about this world and my life once this has been actually reviewed by third parties. ie , you.

18:45:12 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: at present, i doubt that we'll turn up any oddities in the blocks per se

18:45:31 mircea_popescu: right. i don't think so either.

18:46:50 ascii_field: what i did learn is that mapBlockIndex grows linearly (300 bt) for every block ever seen.

18:47:07 ascii_field: that that in order to change this, it'd have to live on disk

18:47:12 ascii_field: (naturally, cached)

18:47:57 mod6: !up ascii_field

18:48:06 mod6: shinohai: ok let's work through it

18:48:39 mats: dignork: i'm looking forward to a test drive

18:48:48 shinohai: @ mod6 I think I should start with a bare build. the other one is fine, son't want to touch it xD

18:48:53 shinohai: *don't

18:49:20 mircea_popescu: ascii_field in practice this may not be a problem. the gavincoin insanities aside, growing by 300 bytes every ten minutes may well be sustainable indefinitely into the future.

18:49:42 mircea_popescu: i suspek computing is moving towards joint ram/disk anyway.

18:50:28 mod6: yeah, that's what i was saying before: leave your v0.5.3.1-RELEASE as-is. Then setup a new environment to give the "stator" build a try -- is pre-patched, so should be able to compile and run, or if your slightly more daring, just run the included pre-compiled (by alf) binary (ensure to check sigs first!)

18:51:36 shinohai: kk but the whole reason I want to do this is so I can try the new patches by ascii_field, the blockdump

18:52:09 mod6: sure, ok. so what we'll need to do (and even I haven't tried patching those in myself yet) is to extract the stator, then apply the patches.

18:52:14 mats: that'll be interesting when the dichotomy vanishes. linux has been adding support for persistent memory afaik

18:52:21 mats: 'pramfs' looked furthest along when i last checked

18:52:28 mod6: lemme give it a shot on my end first, see what happens so I can give you valid help

18:52:33 mod6: just a minute here.

18:52:53 mats: nothing merged so far though

18:53:07 trinque: jurov: could the btc-dev mailing list send mail via tls? requiring that on my mailserver's end has drastically cut down on spam, but I think that's causing me to miss mailing list messages

18:53:13 trinque: it it's too much trouble, don't worry about it

18:53:40 trinque: for some odd reason spam botnets don't seem to bother at all with tls being required

18:53:46 trinque: maybe a performance thing

18:54:32 trinque: I went from 100s of spamz a day to 0 with this one weird trick.

18:54:52 punkman: mod6, let me know if you want me to rebase/resubmit cpuminer-snip or guicruft-snip before the next release

18:55:49 shinohai: There should be a super-secret #b-a mining pool.

18:56:15 trinque: shinohai: isn't the idea that you want your pool as big as possible?

18:56:27 trinque: (not that I don't like secret clubs)

18:57:32 shinohai: ^ truth

18:58:29 shinohai: stratum mining proxy already forked to accept larger blocksize :/

18:59:59 trinque: meh, dunno why any miner would want that

19:01:15 trinque: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html << ossum

19:01:16 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MLWjFv )

19:01:37 mod6: one of the things that pains me with the SHA1s re-written into the filenames, is if you pull these files with curl, you have to rename them to their original names before you can verify the signatures.

19:02:22 mod6: punkman: ok. i thought we had decided to leave the miner in there for now. but yeah, thanks I'll let ya know.

19:02:34 mod6: we've got quite a lot to do before we're there anyway.

19:02:51 mircea_popescu: ascii_field http://fraudsters.com/2015/no-such-labs-snsa-june-2015-statement/

19:02:52 assbot: No Such lAbs (S.NSA), June 2015 Statement on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1RWpDKb )

19:03:32 trinque: is this stator archive meant to be untarred overtop 0.5.3-RELEASE ?

19:03:53 *: trinque reads the ml message, derp

19:04:22 mircea_popescu: mats quite.

19:04:27 mircea_popescu: many people's ideal machine.

19:05:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86283 @ 0.00049137 = 42.3969 BTC [-] {3}

19:08:37 BingoBoingo: OH SHIT /R/BUTTCOIN forcibly reopened by Chairman Pao https://i.imgur.com/1woKG9P.png

19:08:37 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1RWqavO )

19:09:11 trinque: important business lawl

19:09:46 mats: BingoBoingo: this must be a hoax

19:10:06 trinque: https://www.google.com/trends/explore?hl=en-GB&q=Reddit+alternative#q=Reddit%20alternative&cmpt=q&tz=Etc%2FGMT%2B7

19:10:07 assbot: Google Trends ... ( http://bit.ly/1RWqj26 )

19:10:07 BingoBoingo: Who knowsanymore with reddit

19:11:54 mircea_popescu: lol it was closed ?!

19:11:56 shinohai: The plot thickens

19:11:58 mircea_popescu: why was it closed.

19:12:18 punkman: because they fired some chick

19:12:28 mircea_popescu: buttcoin had employees ?!

19:12:49 mircea_popescu: check it out alfie, us agitprop dept actuallky admits.

19:12:51 punkman: no, reddit fired a chick, moderators closed down subreddits in protest

19:12:53 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo is this going on qntra ?

19:13:20 mircea_popescu: goies nicely with the discussion of that time when they fucked up deleting a qntra article iirc.

19:14:03 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Reddit death already had a big one. This one's getting a quick note

19:14:10 phf: mod6: it would be nice to have an mbox or maildir tgz for the mailing list with all the attachments still included. took me couple of hours to reconstruct and verify patch list, while could've been done in matter of minutes with procmail and mimetools

19:14:37 trinque: phf: you could crawl that patches page maybe

19:14:42 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo kk

19:15:20 trinque: I didn't know the patches page existed til today

19:17:17 mircea_popescu: heddesk

19:20:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13883 @ 0.00048994 = 6.8018 BTC [-]

19:20:22 scoopbot_revived: No Such lAbs (S.NSA), June 2015 Statement http://fraudsters.com/2015/no-such-labs-snsa-june-2015-statement/

19:20:23 phf: trinque: tbh i thought it was broken, since it's missing chicken, gui, etc. only once i went through the exercise of making my own did i realize that those are not part of mailing list history

19:20:46 trinque: ah, yeah

19:21:09 mod6: So a bunch have patches have been submitted in the last month. A read through each of the emails is kindof required at this point because they all have specific instructions and dependantcies.

19:21:32 mod6: I will work on a patch list and maybe a script later this month. It is a bit hard to follow.

19:23:02 mod6: I'll work on something for that within the next week probably.

19:26:33 scoopbot_revived: Further Reddit Outrage as Unpaid Moderators Rebel http://qntra.net/2015/07/further-reddit-outrage-as-unpaid-moderators-rebel/

19:27:54 BingoBoingo: On that note, I'll brb in a few units of time.

19:28:04 mod6: phf: anyway, what exactly is it that you're trying to achieve?

19:30:02 shinohai: The same thing we do every night, Pinky. Try and take over the world!

19:30:11 trinque: !b 2

19:30:12 assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2CT1TGM.txt )

19:30:19 mod6: ex: are you trying to patch v0.5.3 to get to v0.5.3.1? (You can just download the release tarball). Are you trying to patch v0.5.3.1-RELEASE with alf's patches? (must read emails to figure out the deps, OR you can just build the stator which includes all of alf's patches with exception of dumpblock & eatblock), those must be patched post extraction of the stator tarball -- of which im actually testing now.

19:31:04 *: trinque puts the laptop in the freezer while it builds boost

19:31:05 mod6: which, btw, they hvae patched in just fine... building the whole thing now.

19:31:20 mod6: (with openssl/bdb/boost)

19:31:51 mod6: I'm creating a log of this, and will post for everyone to look at once complete.

19:33:02 *: shinohai thanks mod6 for the dedication

19:33:13 mod6: yw :]

19:33:46 mod6: heh, this boost compile is taking a while, because i'm also syncing at the same time haha

19:34:12 shinohai: I'm almost @ block 200000

19:34:27 mod6: good deal!

19:35:22 shinohai: Then when I get this new build up, I can sync up to the correct nodes, and .torrent dat chain.

19:35:32 phf: mod6: i don't necessarily have problems, i have a bitcoind with all the patches up to eatblock (haven't looked at stator yet, but then i'm building with enemy tools). the way i assembled patches is by reading through web archive and saving/verifying each patch as i saw it

19:35:54 mod6: ahhh

19:36:11 mod6: can you point me to the web-archive you're using? just curious.

19:36:51 phf: the process was needlessly complicated since my mail client lets me do a bunch of those steps (patching, gpg verifying, etc) with a single key, so if i had an mbox, i could just import it, and then use a more familiar interface

19:37:20 phf: mod6: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2014-October/thread.html etc.

19:37:21 assbot: The BTC-dev October 2014 Archive by thread ... ( http://bit.ly/1gf5e7s )

19:37:24 mod6: ahh. im not sure i remember mbox. and yeah, the whole thing is a bit... unwieldly

19:38:16 mod6: so wait, you're just going through each email and pulling out patches? or are you on that part of jurov's website with the signed patches?

19:39:20 phf: mod6: no no each email. i thought that was the whole point of ascii's approach, i.e. linux kernel style "read email, think, apply the patch"

19:39:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.00048928 = 3.2292 BTC [-] {2}

19:40:06 mod6: <+phf> the process was needlessly complicated since my mail client lets me do a bunch of those steps (patching, gpg verifying, etc) with a single key, so if i had an mbox, i could just import it, and then use a more familiar interface << so, what I've done in the past was; create a perl script that pulls down and verifies all the patches and applies them to a common baseline.

19:40:36 mod6: plus, create a How-To guide. Both of which need updating for the flurry of recent patches that have been submitted. Just haven't had a chance yet.

19:41:13 mod6: <+phf> mod6: no no each email. i thought that was the whole point of ascii's approach, i.e. linux kernel style "read email, think, apply the patch" << im not sure what their process is.

19:43:30 funkenstein_: "southern pride" spamming qntra in an effort to discredit the site methinks

19:44:53 phf: mod6: well, lets say you have something like mutt open with the current email. it's pretty easy to write a script that takes current email and feeds it to an external script, that splits out patch, verifies it with the provided sig, and then applies it to the codebase (or pushes it into some queue of patches as a case may be). i.e. you read the email, push "p" to do everything for you, and then move on to the next email

19:45:22 mod6: ok, i like mutt :]

19:45:46 mod6: are you asking me to write an email client script?

19:47:02 mod6: basically, instead of me making a whole bunch of different one-off scripts for peoples seperate clients and whatever stack they've got, I just create one script that will patch in & verify all the scripts at once. usually after I've tried and tested them all myself, peronsally.

19:47:44 mod6: But I've only started scratching the surface with alf's latest, so this hasn't been done yet. All of these are still in my "Highly Experemental" category. AKA: use at your own risk.

19:47:49 phf: mod6: no, i'm asking you to provide an archive of raw messages as they were received and stored by mailman. something like this http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2014-October.txt, but withtout attachments split into separate files

19:48:03 mod6: But as I get through more of these and test more of these, I'll put something together to make this process easier.

19:49:04 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

19:49:35 shinohai: mod6: if you want another auto.sh, I'll try and help you when I understand this new build xD

19:50:23 mod6: phf: there are specific reasons why the attachments are split into separate files.

19:50:54 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185550 << yes problem. because pogo.

19:50:54 assbot: Logged on 03-07-2015 18:49:20; mircea_popescu: ascii_field in practice this may not be a problem. the gavincoin insanities aside, growing by 300 bytes every ten minutes may well be sustainable indefinitely into the future.

19:51:06 ascii_field: and because infinitely growing data structures is what gods made disk for

19:51:08 ascii_field: not ram

19:51:29 phf: mod6: sorry, i wasn't really prepared to explain what i mean, i thought you would just grok the request as an obvious one. we probably just have very different workflows

19:51:36 ascii_field: ('disk' in the broad sense of relatively slow, inexpensive place to park bits)

19:51:52 mod6: phf: yeah, im not sure what you're asking for

19:52:04 mod6: jurov: can you parse this and understand what he's talking about?? ^^^

19:52:06 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185556 << unix on a single-addressspace box is mega-l0l

19:52:06 assbot: Logged on 03-07-2015 18:52:21; mats: 'pramfs' looked furthest along when i last checked

19:52:56 mod6: [jurov run's the mailman stuff, so he'd be probably more apt to grok whatever your asking for ]

19:53:03 trinque: what are you guys building stator on?

19:53:14 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185565 << imho the miner must live

19:53:14 assbot: Logged on 03-07-2015 18:54:52; punkman: mod6, let me know if you want me to rebase/resubmit cpuminer-snip or guicruft-snip before the next release

19:53:20 ascii_field: (discussed in old threads)

19:53:29 ascii_field: ~reference client~ MUST have some example of working miner.

19:54:13 ascii_field: put it this way, if tomorrow you are shipped to alpha centauri with just the reference client, you must be able to set up bitcoin there.

19:54:22 jurov: um...er... if you want whole emails..then just receive them?

19:54:49 jurov: i don't understand, either

19:54:57 shinohai: ikr, I get it all in the mailing list, no confusion there.

19:56:06 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185644 << terrible idea

19:56:06 assbot: Logged on 03-07-2015 19:44:53; phf: mod6: well, lets say you have something like mutt open with the current email. it's pretty easy to write a script that takes current email and feeds it to an external script, that splits out patch, verifies it with the provided sig, and then applies it to the codebase (or pushes it into some queue of patches as a case may be). i.e. you read the email, push "p" to do everything for you, and then move on to the n

19:56:16 ascii_field: may as well use 'git' etc. then

19:56:42 trinque: could refine that to "and then presents me a buffer of the diff"

19:56:46 trinque: which you can apply or not

19:57:36 ascii_field: the point, which i've been trying and apparently failing to make for ages, is that if you are thinking about automating this, you are 'doing things wrong'

19:58:01 ascii_field: the manual gymnastics on command line should be a ~VANISHINGLY~ small fraction of your efforts

19:58:03 ascii_field: when reviewing patches

19:58:12 ascii_field: if they loom large, it is because you are not spending the requisite effort

19:58:14 ascii_field: in reading

19:58:17 phf: jurov: i only joined the conversation recently, so i don't have a complete history of emails. of course i'm getting complete emails now, but not the past ones

19:58:48 shinohai: I don't think I would want an automatic solution in that regard.

19:59:20 ascii_field: my point is that this is Not Like Other Projects

20:00:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 138950 @ 0.00048433 = 67.2977 BTC [-] {4}

20:01:45 jurov: i have nothing against publishing the mailbox

20:02:15 *: trinque respects the various buttons he's created for himself to do all kinds of destructive things

20:02:20 jurov: but you sorely underestimate the work needed to put together http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html

20:02:22 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1gf74VU )

20:02:22 trinque: but I see the point clearly

20:02:25 phf: ascii_field: having a turnkey solution is not the intent behind my request (though i prefer tools in my mail client to messing around with lynx/wget.) i'm interested in having a "take to mars" copy of bitcoind history. right now it's a bit all over the place. patches here, email text there, etc.

20:02:39 ascii_field: fair

20:02:48 jurov: and info for columns "released in"/"based on" must be done manually anyway

20:03:13 jurov: (donations welcome)

20:03:15 ascii_field: probably the most dire omission is any 'family tree' for the patches

20:05:08 mats: no takers for 0.1BTC to pick up a pogo so far huh

20:05:50 mats: ill bump it up to 0.25 to subsidize purchase of 1tb spinning disk or a SSD

20:06:15 ascii_field: mats: iirc danielpbarron established that it ~has~ to use ssd

20:06:24 ascii_field: or won't lay block in <10min

20:06:30 ascii_field: (no ram for caching!)

20:06:32 mats: o

20:08:10 shinohai: @ mats O.o 0.1 to buy pogo wid ?

20:08:20 mats: wid?

20:08:26 shinohai: *with

20:08:50 Jautenim: ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-06-2015#1180981 tried today and failed

20:08:50 assbot: Logged on 29-06-2015 04:05:44; *: BingoBoingo will likely attempt stator build on OpenBSD soon

20:08:51 gribble: The operation succeeded.

20:08:56 mats: 0.25 to buy pogo for purpose of setting up node, if you are L1/L2

20:09:11 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185579 << no. stands alone (just add distfiles for deps)

20:09:11 assbot: Logged on 03-07-2015 19:03:32; trinque: is this stator archive meant to be untarred overtop 0.5.3-RELEASE ?

20:09:19 ascii_field: it was meant to be a picture of my (at the time) set

20:09:20 shinohai: I *think* i am a lowly 1 >.<

20:09:22 Jautenim: I coaxed it to compile the turd but segfaults straight away

20:09:32 trinque: ascii_field: got a barf about fPIC in boost, which iirc is already known

20:09:43 ascii_field: ^ where ?

20:09:47 trinque: I'll paste

20:09:48 ascii_field: uclibc ?

20:09:54 ascii_field: or ordinary glibc

20:09:56 trinque: no glibc and gentoo hardened

20:10:05 ascii_field: odd

20:10:21 trinque: I'll restart from the beginning and paste the whole thing

20:10:35 mats: !gettrust shinohai assbot

20:10:35 assbot: Trust relationship from user shinohai to user assbot: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=shinohai&to=assbot | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/assbot/

20:10:47 ascii_field: presently i suspect that 'musl' is the only glibc replacement that has any promise

20:11:02 phf: jurov: i'm not in a position to make suggestions to the way things are done in the republic :) i used patches.html, i found some issues with it from the perspective of figuring out what transpired before i started paying attention, so i did extra work on top. cura te ipsum. i figured having mailbox available will make the works of others after me easier

20:11:08 ascii_field: (author explicitly subscribes to the 'short, readable, and compatible' thing)

20:11:26 mod6: i saw that comment yesterday, I briefly looked at it's page ascii_field, I'll take a deeper look at musl soon. hopefully that'll get us further?

20:11:43 ascii_field: last night i looked into doing a 'buildroot' with it

20:11:58 ascii_field: but presently haven't the time to do a proper job of it

20:12:22 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185596 << i may be thick - what is being admitted to here ?

20:12:22 assbot: Logged on 03-07-2015 19:12:49; mircea_popescu: check it out alfie, us agitprop dept actuallky admits.

20:13:32 jurov: phf why you're not in such and such position?

20:14:33 mod6: ok shinohai: http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/stator-buildlog-wDumpBlockAndEatBlockApplied.txt

20:14:34 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FYJMZi )

20:15:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45850 @ 0.00048783 = 22.367 BTC [+]

20:17:53 shinohai: ty mod6 reading nau

20:18:17 mod6: that btw, was built on x86-64 deb6/glibc env.

20:18:38 shinohai: Should build on Jessie np

20:19:02 mod6: it should allow you to sync off of mp's blockchain w/the appropriate cmdline params and then do dumpblock/eatblock when it's finished or whatever you like.

20:19:30 shinohai: awesum

20:19:31 mod6: !up ascii_field

20:19:37 mod6: :]

20:19:46 jurov: <trinque> jurov: could the btc-dev mailing list send mail via tls? ok, considered

20:20:05 ascii_field: mod6: waitasec, that's a valid build

20:20:13 ascii_field: but didn't you say 'barfed' ?

20:20:18 mod6: when?

20:20:23 trinque: jurov: ty

20:20:27 jurov: <mod6> one of the things that pains me with the SHA1s re-written into the filenames, is if you pull these files with curl, you have to rename them to their original names before you can verify the signatures. << good point

20:20:36 ascii_field: mod6: ah no, that was trinque

20:20:41 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185716

20:20:41 assbot: Logged on 03-07-2015 20:09:32; trinque: ascii_field: got a barf about fPIC in boost, which iirc is already known

20:20:48 trinque: yar, rebuilding now

20:20:52 mod6: ascii_field: i did have a problem with it a number of days ago when I first tried it, but it was just an environment related issue. this build, I literally just did it, worked fine.

20:21:00 mod6: ah ok

20:21:20 trinque: I wanna do some gcov work this weekend

20:21:32 mod6: and trinque, did you hvae that -fPIC issue on gentoo with uClibC? that's the same error I was talking about all last month and in the SoBA

20:21:42 trinque: yeah but this is glibc

20:21:45 trinque: my lappy

20:21:47 mod6: ah hmm

20:25:19 mod6: so phf brings to light a good point, reading through the email list, especially if you haven't read the b-a logs from oct-14 on is probably more than a bit hard to follow. ascii_field brings up a good point about having a 'family tree'

20:26:29 mod6: there are a number of different directions these emails go in; patching for v0.5.3.1, pogotronic, gentoo, etc, etc. so I'll try my best to make this apparent when I write up a patch list, etc.

20:26:44 mod6: i'm not sure what to do about this as far as the email list is concerened, yet.

20:26:48 ascii_field: mod6: i kinda assumed you and ben_vulpes would roll the patch sequence docs into releases

20:27:05 ascii_field: (iirc this was the case in 5.3.1 actually)

20:27:24 mod6: yah. we would certainly put all the patches applied to a specific baseline into RELEASE_NOTES.txt as it was for v0.5.3.1

20:27:57 jurov: phf, if you can make better patchlist, are you willing to contribute your script?

20:28:01 shinohai: That would be the easiest, releases

20:28:31 mod6: but pre-milestone release, it does get hard to follow. and since I do believe it'll still be some time before we get the next milestone cut, I should prepare some sort of document so individuals can help test. (we very much appreciate the enthusiasm and the help!)

20:29:16 shinohai: I have little better that piques the imagination

20:30:38 mod6: anyway, we'll get there.

20:30:55 mod6: a wise man told me once: life is short and art is long.

20:31:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34700 @ 0.00048783 = 16.9277 BTC [+]

20:32:51 phf: jurov: i don't think there's complete understanding as to what should go into patchlist yet. the one we have now is fine, and i'm sure it will be improved

20:33:51 phf: i was actually taking a harder position, if somebody wants to follow along they should read the mailing list from the beginning, and having it all accessible in one place for offline reading helps

20:34:41 mod6: and really, if you wanna follow along, it helps to have the historical timeline 'in head' as well by reading the logs since last October.

20:35:07 mod6: it can't hurt anyway

20:38:21 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185572 << these appear to be in entirely random order...

20:38:21 assbot: Logged on 03-07-2015 19:01:15; trinque: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html << ossum

20:38:24 ascii_field: ^ jurov ?

20:38:45 jurov: i see

20:39:51 mod6: oh yeah, now that page was the one i was referring to; i find it pretty unhelpful at all unless you're looking for just who submitted/signed & the sig.

20:40:10 mod6: not that I have any better ideas at this point.

20:40:18 mod6: phf: was this the page you were trying to follow?

20:40:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59750 @ 0.00049972 = 29.8583 BTC [+] {2}

20:41:14 jurov: phf: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/btc-dev.mbox.xz

20:41:16 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1HBQtWt )

20:41:30 jurov: not auto updated, url subject to change

20:42:10 phf: jurov: thanks!

20:42:40 mod6: !rate shinohai 1 Helping to test the bitcoin Reference Implementation

20:42:40 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/53372c05ce8628eb

20:42:45 mats: https://i.imgur.com/mVkykL1.jpg

20:42:46 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1HBQGce )

20:43:16 mod6: !rate trinque 2 Provided much assistance with Gentoo

20:43:16 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/09935656edb7cd6f

20:46:25 mircea_popescu: buncha amateurs the people in this country i swear...

20:46:33 mircea_popescu: i've not seen the likes of it since romania.

20:46:59 mod6: !assbot:mod6.rate.shinohai.1:166411dcdc19e0619447eec6756b67e99dd3dd7c8ac794832a8fdf651173e770

20:47:07 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: ?

20:47:53 kakobrekla: mod6 the prefix is '!v'

20:48:00 mod6: !v assbot:mod6.rate.shinohai.1:166411dcdc19e0619447eec6756b67e99dd3dd7c8ac794832a8fdf651173e770

20:48:00 assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for shinohai with note: Helping to test the bitcoin Reference Implementation

20:48:04 mod6: thanks kakobrekla

20:48:07 mod6: !v assbot:mod6.rate.trinque.2:169cd6f50f90268d762985db26d2684aae73f0608210b216475944c337511014

20:48:07 assbot: Successfully updated the rating for trinque from 1 to 2 with note: Provided much assistance with Gentoo

20:48:14 mircea_popescu: ascii_field what is "the very important business" a reddit chapter seeded and mostly fed by usg's own something awful crew would conceivably be doing iyo ?

20:49:15 ascii_field: aha that

20:49:44 ascii_field: was speaking of the 'in this country' bit

20:49:48 shinohai: \o/ ty mod6

20:50:05 kakobrekla: !up ascii_field

20:50:23 mircea_popescu: ah. just a buncha stupid kids "trying" like the entire world were a kindergarten and "best effort" were a thing and really, we're just playing here.

20:51:09 mod6: thanks for your help shinohai

20:51:56 mircea_popescu: !rated shinohai

20:51:56 assbot: You have not rated shinohai.

20:51:57 shinohai: glad to be of at least some minuscule service

20:52:03 mircea_popescu: !rate shinohai 1 New blood.

20:52:03 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/4a8228734ec58a72

20:52:31 mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.shinohai.1:69e4bc8a9153033824d3eb9343ba203c5b7eedd3510b7067e202e06cf4531194

20:52:31 assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for shinohai with note: New blood.

20:52:59 shinohai: ty mircea_popescu

20:57:40 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184112 << either the only person figuring this shit's funny was german, or else they suffer from the disadvantage of being the second largest thing in nato.

20:57:40 assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 09:30:01; assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47300 @ 0.00049435 = 23.3828 BTC [+] {2}

20:58:50 mats: eh

20:59:30 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184130 << running out of random letter combinations over at the start-up culture plant/

20:59:30 assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 12:44:57; punkman: just go wih it

21:00:18 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184142 <<< o.O so this is worth what, like 30 bn or so ?

21:00:18 assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 13:01:45; ronaz: on brokering side we have over 30 000 clients

21:01:38 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184181 o.O

21:01:38 assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 15:51:49; danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184085 << it's the story of how the b-a WoT members were the coolest kids at the party, or how I pissed off a bunch of socially inept libertards by being seen hangning out with the hot chick

21:01:49 mircea_popescu: oh nm, 30k of which some actually did 20 euro alrighty.

21:01:52 mats: https://www.change.org/p/ellen-k-pao-step-down-as-ceo-of-reddit-inc loll

21:01:53 assbot: Pétition · Ellen K. Pao: Step down as CEO of Reddit Inc. · Change.org ... ( http://bit.ly/1HBT0jw )

21:02:20 Duffer1: lmao

21:02:32 mircea_popescu: no dude, she's doing a great job. let her stay.

21:02:44 mircea_popescu: she's even better than that fucktardina chick that sunk hp

21:03:13 ascii_field: 'heightening the contradictions' (tm)

21:03:34 mircea_popescu: !up bl4ckh4t

21:03:39 mats: she may even be ready for a presidential run in 2020

21:03:47 mircea_popescu: i gotta say i absolutely am loving the choices of women to put "in tech" the enema's makin'.

21:03:48 mats: the first asian woman!!1

21:03:51 mircea_popescu: straight out of asshole.

21:03:57 mircea_popescu: !up aseriousgogetta

21:04:01 mircea_popescu: mats he's azn ?

21:04:07 mats: ellen pao is asian

21:04:09 mircea_popescu: wasn't she from baltimore or something

21:04:25 mats: i mean, she's yellow. kinda asian.

21:05:48 mats: first-generation chinese-american

21:05:58 mircea_popescu: a ok.

21:06:03 *: mircea_popescu never got what difference it makes

21:06:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96300 @ 0.00050808 = 48.9281 BTC [+] {4}

21:06:05 mircea_popescu: !up RH311ish

21:06:20 mircea_popescu: o.O

21:06:38 ascii_field: meowmix ?

21:06:55 mats: well, further you get from immigrant parents, more retarded you usually get

21:07:09 mircea_popescu: didn't work so well for obama this theory

21:07:15 mircea_popescu: isn't he straight from kenya ?

21:07:20 mircea_popescu: well... "hawaii"./

21:07:31 ascii_field: hawauenya

21:07:41 mircea_popescu: is that the car brand ?

21:08:54 mircea_popescu: mats i mean i could see it in usage like "e transilvanean de-ai nostri", ie, "he's one of ours". but that's for a minuscule and very culturally coherent ethnic group.

21:09:03 mircea_popescu: "asian" is about as descriptive as "the country of earth"./

21:09:08 decimation: he's the bastard son of a kenyan

21:10:19 mircea_popescu: i guess she does look distinctive enough, and since presidents are more about looks than actors... myeah ok

21:10:49 mircea_popescu: alrighty, i'm sold. ellen pao 2016!

21:11:05 ascii_field: ellen nao!

21:11:07 mircea_popescu: first asian woman in tech president ftw.

21:11:11 ascii_field: for emergency clitler

21:11:13 mats: welp, she does speak mandarin fluently, so she has that going for her

21:11:13 ascii_field: why wait

21:11:20 shinohai: The WH lineup for 2016 is a circus already.

21:11:31 mircea_popescu: mandarin is best spoken influently.

21:11:32 decimation: note that obama is not 'black' in the sense of being ethnically like most black africans who live in the us

21:11:37 ascii_field: can help organize the cn surrender, too

21:11:40 mircea_popescu: but bar that, i guess fluently is good enough

21:11:41 shinohai: * Herbert Hoover and his wife also spoke Mandarin, so what?

21:11:43 decimation: they generally come from wester africa

21:12:06 mircea_popescu: decimation i am broadly unconvinced the concept of ethnicity makes any sense in africa.

21:12:22 mircea_popescu: the french just started using it cca 1800 as if, and nobody really discussed the matter.

21:12:23 mats: i speak mandarin influently. my cantonese is pretty good, though.

21:12:25 decimation: as in, doesn't exist?

21:12:34 mircea_popescu: as in, is not meaningful.

21:12:44 mats: this makes literacy... tricky

21:12:47 mircea_popescu: for one thing, it's not clear what "ethnicity" without a written culture would be.

21:13:04 shinohai: tradition

21:13:19 mircea_popescu: this isn't a lego car where all the pieces match shinohai

21:13:30 shinohai: lel no

21:14:01 mircea_popescu: decimation gotta bear in mind that "ethnicity" is not a thing, just a word we use for the thing. it's a map. that a map is flat and a place is round does not mean the round place has no geography

21:14:09 mircea_popescu: but it may mean the map doesnt work for describing it./

21:14:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77250 @ 0.00050067 = 38.6768 BTC [-] {2}

21:14:22 decimation: so there's 'no meaningful difference' between igbo in nigeria and a majang in ethiopia?

21:14:31 mircea_popescu: i do not know.

21:15:07 mircea_popescu: i do know it is upon the proponent to ~prove~ rather than just assert that the tools we developed to discuss and analyse the "terra irredenta" movements in italy cca 1800 are also applicable or meaningful in black africa.

21:15:13 decimation: well, my point is that obama is from the Luo people

21:16:01 *: mircea_popescu never bothered with it, but is this luo people an internal or an external identity ?

21:16:35 decimation: my understanding is internal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luo_people_of_Kenya_and_Tanzania

21:16:36 assbot: Luo people of Kenya and Tanzania - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1TaA8fm )

21:16:49 mircea_popescu: ie, is it equivalent to saying "one of the terrorist people" or to "one of the lordship" ?

21:17:52 decimation: they have their own language

21:18:06 decimation: or at least dialect

21:18:08 decimation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luo_dialect

21:18:09 assbot: Luo dialect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1TaAliD )

21:18:09 mircea_popescu: aha.

21:18:28 decimation: "The main Luo livelihoods are fishing, farming and pastoral herding. Outside Luoland, the Luo comprise a significant fraction of East Africa's intellectual and skilled labour force in various professions. Others members work in eastern Africa as tenant fishermen, small scale farmers, and urban workers."

21:18:44 mircea_popescu: impossible to discern how much is a case of "the missionary used a word to best describe what he saw" and "we have created a structure through normal function". anyway, minor point.

21:18:47 mircea_popescu: like all of africa.

21:19:19 ascii_field: in other nyooz, 340100+

21:19:53 shinohai: I finally hit 205000

21:20:01 decimation: anyway, my earlier meta-point was that I theorize that many voted for obama because he was black but 'not that kind of black'

21:20:08 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: trying to recall - was it you who tried to parallel-process the signature checks ?

21:20:26 mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field

21:20:30 mircea_popescu: i do not think so ascii_field

21:20:34 ascii_field: hm

21:20:41 mircea_popescu: shinohai you also getting off mine ?

21:20:48 ascii_field: notice that sync above block 200k or so is cpu-bound

21:20:52 mircea_popescu: decimation prolly. who the hell knoiws why people vote

21:21:00 mircea_popescu: ascii_field very much would be.

21:21:08 shinohai: @ mircea_popescu yes your node is my sole connection.

21:21:31 shinohai: I wanted clean db

21:21:43 mircea_popescu: i think i said this before, but in any case bears repeating insistently : larger blocks are a complex discussion that will involve many and numerous benchmarking. it's not the simple matter idiots make it out.

21:22:02 mircea_popescu: shinohai aha cool then. no spurts or weird disconnects or anything ?

21:22:03 *: ascii_field believes that we already have pretty large blocks

21:22:08 decimation: aye

21:22:18 decimation: go to blockchain.info and watch the waterfall of txns

21:22:40 mircea_popescu: ascii_field get a load of this : three days of random, odd internet behaviour, discussed here publicly, which then went away by itself. i did nothing to the server, i asssume neither did you.

21:22:42 mircea_popescu: what is this magic /

21:22:51 shinohai: No, mircea_popescu it has actually been faster than when I previously synced, less memory footprint ramwise

21:22:52 mircea_popescu: i would expect a stuttering engine to go on stuttering until discarded.

21:23:00 kakobrekla: the truth be this or that, if the majority of miners takes up big blocks pogos and company is phucked

21:23:02 decimation: maybe it was the work of the volunteer diggers in san francisco

21:23:23 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i welcome the verification of this theory in the field.

21:23:29 decimation: kakobrekla: that's why the reference implementation ought to be written to appeal to miners

21:23:41 kakobrekla: hah

21:23:52 mats: yes, a model with 8mb and 20mb blocks would be interesting

21:23:57 mircea_popescu: i imagine so would you : a bankrupt field of miners best chance to buy cheap mining rigs for a long time

21:24:37 mircea_popescu: but in any case : money talks. not "power rangers" and not the 0.3% ROI miners. and if moneys says fuck you everyone goes home and tries something else for next year's costume party.

21:24:54 decimation: kakobrekla: it's not as stupid as it sounds

21:25:03 decimation: what miners want to deal with bitcoind correctness

21:25:04 shinohai: What amazes me is it has synced this far in < 1 day

21:25:19 mircea_popescu: shinohai why should it amaze you ?

21:25:40 shinohai: It amazes me because it took 4-5 days before

21:25:49 kakobrekla: but 'miners' are zombies, will eat whatever comes their way and cant count on them thinking about anything

21:25:50 punkman: ascii_field, does this sequence look right? >> 0.5.3.1-release + orphanage nuke + tx-orphanage + dnsseed_snipsnip + zap_hardcoded_seeds + zap_showmyip + dns thermonuke + irc nuke

21:26:04 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla that's fine. they also have to make money somehow.

21:26:10 decimation: kakobrekla: exactly, which is why they would use whatever other people say is good

21:26:14 mircea_popescu: and that somehow is by selling what they mine.

21:26:25 mircea_popescu: so yes, zombies. just, make sure you identify the necromancer driving them correctly

21:26:26 kakobrekla: they are getting spammed with 'bitcoin upgrades' as we speak

21:26:33 mircea_popescu: sure.

21:26:36 kakobrekla: my guess is most wont have a second thought.

21:26:46 decimation: exactly, so if they have brains this will wake them up to 'wtf is going on with bitcoind'

21:26:52 mircea_popescu: and the same people will be selling the farm three to six months down the road.

21:27:13 decimation: those withouth brains will be trying to sell used asics

21:27:22 mircea_popescu: as eulora tips say, "a willingness to learn is not mandatory. neither is survival."

21:28:51 mircea_popescu: anyway, i am very excited about this actually happening.

21:29:01 mod6: <+punkman> ascii_field, does this sequence look right? >> 0.5.3.1-release + orphanage nuke + tx-orphanage + dnsseed_snipsnip + zap_hardcoded_seeds + zap_showmyip + dns thermonuke + irc nuke << looks right to me.

21:29:14 mircea_popescu: the mass slaughter of a large contingent of people who act as if "doing what everyone else does is safe", and who lose millions at it is the best thing that can happen.

21:29:28 kakobrekla: i cant have blockchain dead for a month

21:29:33 mircea_popescu: a shining moment of "buying ibm gets you killed" is more valuable than asia.

21:30:24 kakobrekla: thinking of who else is such case here, davout ?

21:30:52 mod6: punkman: you may want the kills_integer_retardation in there, as well as nubs`'s gentoo sanity, at least the part with the copying over of the headers & libs in auto.sh check those out here:

21:30:56 mod6: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-April/000080.html

21:30:57 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1HBWxhZ )

21:30:57 mod6: and here:

21:31:06 mircea_popescu: last i heard davout was looking for ways to programatically exploit the shitcoin

21:31:09 mod6: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-April/000082.html

21:31:10 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1HBWvqk )

21:31:34 decimation: kakobrekla: what do you mean about 'having blockchain dead'

21:33:39 kakobrekla: having a chain with a gazillion difficulty and no to little miners on it

21:34:06 decimation: I find the probability of that happening to be very low

21:35:10 kakobrekla: the switch happens when there is 90% of miners on the new chain (determined by checking last n blocks rolling window)

21:35:23 kakobrekla: when this happens there already is such condition as i described give or take

21:35:44 kakobrekla: and the even bringing that percentage even higher as some give up.

21:35:50 kakobrekla: event*

21:36:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26900 @ 0.0004959 = 13.3397 BTC [-]

21:37:22 trinque: man dpaste sucks

21:37:29 trinque: cannot paste the whole boost build log

21:37:40 mod6: did yours fail?

21:38:32 trinque: ascii_field: mod6: http://dpaste.com/1ZSXYK1.txt

21:38:33 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1TaCEm1 )

21:38:41 trinque: the tail end ^

21:39:34 trinque: hardened/linux/amd64

21:39:40 trinque: with a pax/grsec kernel

21:40:45 mod6: weird. that's basically the same problem i had with uClibC [ libpthread.a(pthread_cond_wait.o): relocation R_X86_64_32 against `__gcc_personali

21:40:48 mod6: ty_v0' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC ]

21:41:01 mod6: except this is with glibc huh

21:42:19 trinque: suggests it's maybe a matter of the hardened toolchain eh?

21:42:26 trinque: rather than which libc

21:43:22 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla a loss of 90% mining power relates to blocks taking a little over an hour, not a month.

21:43:38 mircea_popescu: in other words, they can go hang, won't be noticed, won't be missed.

21:43:46 mircea_popescu: this is why miners are NOT actually seated at the table.

21:43:53 mod6: <+trinque> suggests it's maybe a matter of the hardened toolchain eh? << yeah, i think this is a clue

21:44:02 mircea_popescu: their job begins and ends with rejecting bad blocks. they are in no way involved in deciding what that means.

21:44:09 mircea_popescu: exactly as it should be, incidentally.

21:45:23 kakobrekla: 90% < thats just the breaking point. once they figure out they have no wehre to send those coins short of mpex, those will be gone too.

21:45:53 mircea_popescu: except vice-versa.

21:46:15 kakobrekla: ah right the 1mb fits , forgot that.

21:46:47 kakobrekla: i still see problems down the road.

21:46:47 mod6: trinque: sometime this month I'll try to pay with 'default/linux/uclibc/amd64' instead.

21:46:47 mircea_popescu: looky here : a) mpex makes more money than the entire faux & pretend ecosyustem of coinbases and whatnot. those COST, a shitton of money, for the services they fail to provide.

21:46:51 decimation: zooming out, the game theory is definitely against someone trying to make bigger blocks

21:47:08 mircea_popescu: if you think bitcoin is currently supported by people using bitpay to buy coffee, that is squarely your problem

21:47:14 trinque: mod6: I'm going to re-run it with the "vanilla" gcc now

21:47:20 mircea_popescu: well of course. problems down the road is what we signed up for.

21:47:25 mod6: and if that doesn't work, maybe I can give 'hardened/linux/musl/amd64' (i don't see a non-hardened one available atm)

21:47:28 mircea_popescu: otherwise we'd be working accounting on excel spreadsheets.

21:47:36 mod6: trinque: aight, thanks!

21:47:41 trinque: word

21:48:42 mircea_popescu: meh. what causes optic mice to acquire pointer jitter ?

21:49:11 trinque: crud?

21:49:18 mircea_popescu: i just cleanned it

21:49:18 mod6: sometimes a hair gets stuck in mine, and I have to pull it out.

21:49:59 mod6: wireless or usb?

21:50:56 mod6: !up assbot

21:50:57 mircea_popescu: ps/2

21:51:01 mod6: !up ascii_field

21:51:15 mod6: ah, ps2. maybe just try disconnecting it and re-connecting it?

21:52:04 mod6: otherwise, it could be something with the surface that you're using it on... like if its some how refracting in some strange way

21:53:01 trinque: ah yeah, I've had mine move suddenly if I lifted the mouse while using it for that reason

21:53:18 trinque: which I do habitually, as if trying to climb across the desk with the mouse

21:54:01 mircea_popescu: lol

21:54:05 mircea_popescu: nah it jitters upside down too

22:03:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51750 @ 0.00050759 = 26.2678 BTC [+] {3}

22:03:43 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184196 << lol what is this retarded bullshit.

22:03:43 assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 16:16:04; decimation: https://devinhelton.com/2015-06-25/meme-theory < "Thus, outsiders discredit themselves when they make accusations of conscious conspiracy. Any person of even mid-level status knows that the statement is flatly false. They know that the accused elites genuinely do seem to care about helping people. They know there is no conspiracy. Thus they discount the self-interest theory and pay no further attention."

22:03:51 mircea_popescu: who the fuck wants to "credit himself" with the retarded ?

22:04:16 mircea_popescu: to "discredit yourself" in the estimation of boring old aunties and so forth is exactly what cool is all about.

22:04:40 mircea_popescu: god help whosoever is held in high regard by "persons of even mid-level status".

22:10:46 trinque: mod6: switching to vanilla gcc got past the fPIC barf

22:10:47 decimation: I linked it partially for luls

22:10:50 trinque: then this happened: https://dev.openwrt.org/browser/packages/libs/boost/patches/200-cstdint_missing_include.patch?rev=34635

22:10:51 assbot: 200-cstdint_missing_include.patch in packages/libs/boost/patches – OpenWrt ... ( http://bit.ly/1NCy6Bd )

22:11:03 trinque: and now I've got one boost barf left

22:11:10 mircea_popescu: decimation it is pretty lulzy in its self-referential dementia.

22:11:13 trinque: will document what I ended up having to do to build it at the end

22:14:51 scoopbot_revived: BitBet (S.BBET) June 2015 Statement http://fraudsters.com/2015/bitbet-sbbet-june-2015-statement/

22:14:53 ascii_field: 341521+

22:17:07 mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats

22:17:10 gribble: Current Blocks: 363701 | Current Difficulty: 4.940201493122746E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 364895 | Next Difficulty In: 1194 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 11 hours, 6 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None

22:17:19 mircea_popescu: almost there. be what, coupla hours

22:20:35 decimation: almost where?

22:20:49 mircea_popescu: his syncing. 22k to go

22:21:03 trinque: mod6: https://svn.boost.org/trac/boost/ticket/6851 << had to do this as well, after which boost built

22:22:28 *: trinque is astounded at the amount types wiggle platform to platform

22:23:18 punkman: "I can't use ::int64_t as it not defined on all compilers for example on some platforms (Windows) we do not have stdint.h so we do not have int64_t in the global namespace. "

22:24:08 shinohai: Thou shalt use linux.

22:25:15 mircea_popescu: can't it just be aliased in precompiler directive ?

22:26:48 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184203 << im sure if you make inquiries inside any prison, it's just a large collection of well meaning family fathers that have been put there by the conspiracy of fate and the iniquities of evil men.

22:26:48 assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 16:19:40; decimation: I'm sure that if you met the leaders of the average usg institution they would strike you as nice people trying to do the right thing. they are just imprisoned by their choices, making them into figureheads

22:26:59 mircea_popescu: heck, the way usg is going, this is actually becoming more and more true each decade.

22:28:38 mircea_popescu: "Should the outsiders gain authority, they have no real power, because they do not know how to work the levers to operate the machine."

22:28:48 mircea_popescu: omfg fuck this shit. outsiders do not wish a lever or care for one.

22:28:57 mircea_popescu: i hope your machinery is built out of hammer resistant materials,

22:29:13 mircea_popescu: because that means i'll have to bring forth the tracked 800kton one.

22:29:50 trinque: and hey, I got a static bitcoind

22:29:57 mircea_popescu: wd!

22:29:59 trinque: ty

22:30:01 trinque: "static" anyway

22:30:03 mircea_popescu: syncs and errything ?

22:30:09 trinque: bout to give it a run with gcov

22:45:29 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184212 << spank it first.

22:45:29 assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 16:21:44; ben_vulpes: only solution is to burn everything in sight that pisses one off.

23:15:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59000 @ 0.00049923 = 29.4546 BTC [-] {2}

23:16:53 mircea_popescu: jitter actually fixed by plug-unplug. da fuck.

23:18:03 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184293 << yes. how many do you want ?

23:18:03 assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 17:49:50; jurov: anyone'd like to bounce-mail some to europe?

23:19:46 mircea_popescu: !up DanyAlos

23:20:06 DanyAlos: Hello there.

23:20:12 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184328 << o hey!

23:20:12 assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 18:14:13; mod6: ascii_field, mircea_popescu: am now pulling blocks from mp's seed with stator

23:20:18 mircea_popescu: hello DanyAlos . who are you ?

23:21:03 DanyAlos: What do you mean with "who are you"?

23:21:14 DanyAlos: I am an individual.

23:21:15 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184345 << this is not as bad as it sounds actually.

23:21:15 assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 18:18:22; ascii_field: (though, comically, it can still decide that said ip 'misbehaves' and is then left dead in the water)

23:21:22 mircea_popescu: mkay.

23:22:31 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184352 << which puts trinque about on par with the average developer these days, who ALSO hasn't read anything in about five years. just wrote more unreadable chicken scribblings. each day.

23:22:31 assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 18:19:46; ascii_field: trinque: this is more of a 'reader' than 'writer' affair anyway

23:26:12 mod6: <+trinque> and hey, I got a static bitcoind << nice!! i'll give this a shot here tonight yet

23:26:46 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184469 << incidentally, what is the republic's take on this ?

23:26:46 assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 20:44:30; ascii_field: 'getdata is used in response to inv... ...t can be used to retrieve transactions, but only if they are in the memory pool or relay set - arbitrary access to transactions in the chain is not allowed to avoid having clients start to depend on nodes having full transaction indexes (which modern nodes do not).'

23:26:53 mircea_popescu: do we allow arbitrary getdata ?

23:26:56 mod6: <+mircea_popescu> jitter actually fixed by plug-unplug. da fuck. << good deal. maybe just needed reinitialization for whatever reason

23:27:00 DanyAlos: mircea_popescu: Sorry if I misunderstand somthing. My english is not so fluid.

23:27:25 DanyAlos: *something

23:27:42 mircea_popescu: DanyAlos in general english wouldn't have much to do with one's identity, does it ? unl;ess you'd be shakespeare or something.

23:28:28 DanyAlos: Haha. It english almost have nothing to do with me.

23:28:39 DanyAlos: I use it as a tool

23:28:45 mircea_popescu: kay then

23:29:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86700 @ 0.00049147 = 42.6104 BTC [-] {3}

23:29:35 DanyAlos: But I supousse that if I speak spanish here nobody would get a thing.

23:29:52 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184474 << possibly. it's not directly cut, because permaindexes just add to the complexity of keeping a node.

23:29:52 assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 20:44:49; ascii_field: (speaking of 'getdata' here)

23:29:58 mircea_popescu: yo hablo espanol.

23:30:10 mircea_popescu: !s espanol

23:30:11 assbot: 6 results for 'espanol' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=espanol

23:30:19 DanyAlos: No sabía eso!

23:30:36 DanyAlos: Pensé que solo inglés y rumano.

23:31:13 mircea_popescu: alman, frances, italian etc.

23:31:22 DanyAlos: ¿Lo hablás en forma fluida?

23:31:27 mircea_popescu: mas o menos.

23:31:41 DanyAlos: Ok. Políglota, entonces.

23:32:08 DanyAlos: El "más o menos" es muy argentino!

23:32:17 mircea_popescu: :p

23:33:50 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184504 << no, the america online of us internets

23:33:50 assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 21:01:47; ascii_field: isn't BoA infamous for being, approx., the microshit of u.s. banks ?

23:33:52 mircea_popescu: oh... nm.

23:34:30 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184505 << this is actually true. it pays to be a terrorist because then they don't hassle you in the hopes that you somehow don't notice that you're the only one unhassled by the gestapo in a field of obsequious peasants.

23:34:30 assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 21:01:51; kakobrekla: unless you are registered terrorist

23:34:37 mircea_popescu: bureaucracies at work.

23:35:47 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184517 << quite. this is how the fellow ends up having to do "enough" gestures. shcelling point

23:35:47 assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 21:04:00; ascii_field: usgicity is infectious - no one wants to be the first fella to stop clapping when it's clap-for-stalin time

23:36:06 mircea_popescu: in its own perverse way, it's a leadership function. provides means for people to agree.

23:37:15 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184534 << it is one of those final stages of cultural decay. "nothing means anything anymore" sort of situation.

23:37:15 assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 21:09:51; ascii_field: 'let's break semantics of everything because it isn't like anyone still expects anything to work as printed on the tin'

23:37:42 mircea_popescu: the obvious approach would be to protest these uppity kindergartners feel too special for their own good. but that's merely sympthom imo.

23:41:48 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184654 << we'd have to do the math about it. but remember : stinkbombs don't work by actually choking anyone.

23:41:48 assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 22:46:19; decimation: yeah, it might be visible, but the effort going into turning a bomb into an 'aerosol delivery system' is probably wasted. Like ascii's point about chemical EMP bombs

23:42:16 mircea_popescu: someone recently managed to close down a 12 block section of wash dc by literally saying "i think i heard gunshots".

23:43:17 mircea_popescu: the cost to the enemy of any device is made out of a real and a perceived factor. these sometimes diverge. all radiation things diverge in the sense of perception overwhelming reality.

23:43:40 assbot: [MPEX] [D.BSTP] 11 @ 0.099 = 1.089 BTC [+]

23:44:29 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184666 << women prefering to flock to a single male isn't misandry per se. more like reversal to normal.

23:44:29 assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 22:49:55; danielpbarron: they're all into this whole "polyamory" thing which is a just ephemism for mysandry

23:46:01 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184674 o.O

23:46:01 assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 22:51:33; trinque: danielpbarron: I don't recall ever encountering a "polyamorist" who was not female\

23:46:57 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184687 << signed what ?

23:46:57 assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 22:56:37; danielpbarron: at least this time around everyone knew who i was (that mean Bible guy who's also affilated with that mean exchange operator) and got very few culty "why haven't you signed yet" lectures

23:47:08 mircea_popescu: oh oh i c.

23:48:17 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184704 << dude you gotta wear a recording devince next and have someone transcribe it.

23:48:17 assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 23:04:05; danielpbarron: you'd think, but they are more of the socialist nature than they'd like to admit to themselves which becomes quite apparent when someone like me starts advocating feudalism and slavery

23:48:20 mircea_popescu: sounds like a riot.

23:49:32 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184730 << ya srsly.

23:49:32 assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 23:11:35; mats: who is this popescu guy that's constantly talking about enslaving people and why is this mpex page so ugly

23:50:43 trinque: mircea_popescu: referring to the particular euphemism used around these parts to refer to the lifestyle where you get fucked up and fuck other dudes, and call it a sexual orientation

23:50:44 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184743 << not like you have to you know.

23:50:44 assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 23:14:35; mats: being difficult is not something i'm interested in doing

23:50:57 trinque: not various other multiple-partner arrangements

23:51:13 mircea_popescu: trinque okay, but you know, the term both preexists and actually has genuine usage outside of whatever hipster subculture.

23:51:23 trinque: yeah prolly does, granted

23:51:36 trinque: ^ euphemism for "I'm wrong" lol

23:51:38 mircea_popescu: otherwise, women drinking themselves into beds has been a mainstay of post-colonial british empire.

23:51:54 mircea_popescu: puritanism never really recovered after losing india.

23:52:35 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184744 <<< bwahahaha oh teh win

23:52:35 assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 23:15:29; danielpbarron: i told him that I don't trust https in general and he completely flipped out to where he was yelling accusations like "you're going to get exposed for the fraud you are! we use https here!" or something like that

23:53:18 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184746 << if you believe in "regular folks" why not also believe in slaveborn niggers and all azns are coolies ?

23:53:18 assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 23:16:17; mats: regular folk need https

23:53:28 mircea_popescu: seems pretty much the same proposition.

23:54:18 mircea_popescu: what exactly about this chick or that dude is making them be "regular folks", which is to say chattel rather than persons ?

23:56:40 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184774 << no, i'm sure it works quite well. a good pick-up line is made out of two parts, one's a valuation and the other's an unknown. then conversation can proceed around the unknown and as it proceeds, etc.

23:56:40 assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 23:49:09; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184723 << wai wat ?!

23:57:37 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184781 << i

23:57:37 assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 23:57:40; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184666 << as i understand, this is an example of 'smv' (sexual market value) as described by mocsny and kokkarinen at work. it takes the form of 'man: what can i afford' 'woman: with your bid, you can afford to be my driver and pay two-thirds of my rent. in return, you get every 47th fuck, if good behaviour.'

23:57:46 mircea_popescu: ve never heard of a sexual market where men pay.

23:58:23 mircea_popescu: this is rank nonsense if you think any about it. the only part of sex that's in short supply is the erect penis. everything else is overabundant. how exactly would the owners of the only rare part be paying anyone for anything whatsoever ?