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Transcript for 03-09-2015, 1667 lines:

00:01:40 mircea_popescu: shinohai try mod6 for camping, who knows.

00:04:30 *: shinohai takes mod6 camping, gets neg trust rating.

00:08:29 BingoBoingo: New useragent spotted on Bitcoin network http://dpaste.com/0KAJW1H "/Snoopy:0.1/" "version" : 60001,

00:08:32 assbot: dpaste: 0KAJW1H ... ( http://bit.ly/1JClk5e )

00:21:53 mats: http://www.thenewamerican.com/economy/markets/item/21490-communist-china-dumps-us-debt-amid-economic-turmoil

00:21:58 assbot: Communist China Dumps U.S. Debt Amid Economic Turmoil ... ( http://bit.ly/1NYUBTv )

00:24:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5850 @ 0.00068515 = 4.0081 BTC [-]

00:25:33 mircea_popescu: lol communist

00:25:43 mircea_popescu: the us are the communists.

00:26:32 mircea_popescu: "the dictatorship ruling mainland China"

00:26:41 mircea_popescu: ahahaha wouldn't they like to "bring democracy" to china too

00:26:42 mircea_popescu: lmao.

00:27:01 mircea_popescu: CHINA DOESN'T UNDERSTAND HOW CHINA SHOULD WORK SO THE WORLD CAN WORK LIKE WE WANT IT TO BECAUSE WE'RE IMPORTANT!111

00:27:59 mircea_popescu: anyway, they're barely selling 5%

00:31:09 mircea_popescu: anyway, lulzy.

00:31:41 *: mircea_popescu has redominated all his real estate leases throughout the world into usd during the past ~year, so this should be fun indeed.

00:32:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52300 @ 0.00068291 = 35.7162 BTC [-] {2}

00:34:31 mircea_popescu: (my own interpretation of reality being that china has decided there is no need of a us in the future, which would be implemented through a slow divestment so as to extract the maximal value possible out of their holdings. now that they've actually moved on it, they're not going to change course. which means 2010s are the last decade for the us.)

00:39:58 mats: we shall see

00:41:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28350 @ 0.00069995 = 19.8436 BTC [+]

00:42:14 mats: i rather like living in the US northeast and would like to put off my migration into cn for as long as possible

00:44:42 mats: mebbe i could move back to san jose and hope it survives as meta-cn

00:47:29 mod6: shinohai takes mod6 camping, gets neg trust rating. << haha, wat?

00:47:53 mod6: i only like camping in the desert or in the west in general. "back east" sucks, too humid.

00:51:01 mod6: mircea_popescu can scarcely believe all the ustards have to talk about is whether men sit like this or like that << ikr! i heard some lawyer say to another lawyer on the train, "mind your man spread bro".

00:51:46 mircea_popescu: to be noted, of course, that this "if you're poor enough to need to use our mnass transit, here is how you must sit" nonsense follows twenty-thirty years of "oh using cars is bad for the environment, when mass transit is just as good"

00:51:53 mircea_popescu: all the schmucks that BOUGHT INTO that now get this.

00:52:04 mircea_popescu: and that's exactly how govt ploys work, ever since forever. in all cases.

00:52:24 mod6: yah, it's insane.

00:52:29 mircea_popescu: be it rhodesia or http://fraudsters.com/2010/guvernul-de-alba-neagra/

00:52:30 assbot: Guvernul de alba-neagra on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCo42y )

00:52:37 mircea_popescu: be it anything and everything.

00:52:58 mircea_popescu: 1st it's all about "why will you use something you control instead of something we control ? it's cheaper! environment! racism!"

00:53:07 mircea_popescu: then it's "since you need us, here's what you must do".

00:53:24 mircea_popescu: well how about fuck that. no "bigger blocks", no mass transit, no government anything.

00:53:52 mircea_popescu: and if in facvt it is cheaper, that's only proof the government is taking in too much tax.

00:54:05 mircea_popescu: "here's your flier advertising cheaper mass transit in lieu of taxes this year. fuck off."

00:55:17 mircea_popescu: somehow nobody ever thought to ask the self-proclaimed "bitcoin businesses" that nevertheless have 0 bitcoin income signing whatever ridicuolous proclamation HOW DO TYHEY INTEND TO PAY FOR IT.

00:55:19 mod6: the fact that the one guy didn't outright say to the other "fuck you." is totally limpdick pansy-ass bullshit.

00:55:32 mircea_popescu: how is coinbase going to pay for big blocks. more tax money ? more fees ? what ?

00:55:55 trinque: mod6: stop mansplaining your manspreading, bro

00:55:55 shinohai: Simple, GAvin says merchants will mine to help pay tx fees.

00:56:17 mircea_popescu: shinohai wioth money from whom ?

00:56:18 shinohai: *bigger blocks

00:56:33 shinohai: That's what *I* would like to know.

00:56:51 mircea_popescu: mod6 fuck you maybe not the proper form, but "i want those season tickets back and after you've dropped them off do not say hi to me anymore."

00:57:51 mod6: if some vagina on the train told me to "watch my man spreding, i'd be like. ``fuck off, dickhead''" it's the only reasonable response you hvae left any more.

00:58:40 mircea_popescu: mod6 amusingly enough, the itnernal logic of all this is that sitting lkike a man IS A BEHAVIOUR, see. up to you. whereas being fat like a woman is NOT to the same degree a behaviour.

00:58:48 mircea_popescu: which is to say, yes she's fat because she won't stop eating junk

00:58:53 mircea_popescu: but no she's not fat RIGHT NOW because of that.

00:59:04 mircea_popescu: as orwell pointed out, stupid regulations always favour cockroaches.

00:59:22 mircea_popescu: so instead of steel bars limiting access to subway to only people that can fit through

00:59:27 mircea_popescu: because that's how far apart the seats are,

00:59:31 mircea_popescu: you get this sort of nonsense.

00:59:53 mod6: i think that's next, bars between seats.

01:00:03 mircea_popescu: maybe cages

01:00:09 mircea_popescu: fedex all the people!

01:00:19 mod6: they have these bus benches with them now. partly so you can't encroach on someone else, and partly to keep bums from sleeping on them.

01:00:21 mircea_popescu: it works for cats, right ? so there is even science behind it!

01:00:32 mod6: <+mircea_popescu> fedex all the people! << haha

01:01:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41068 @ 0.0007022 = 28.8379 BTC [+] {2}

01:02:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16532 @ 0.0007051 = 11.6567 BTC [+] {2}

01:03:18 mod6: speaking of fat people. when I was at the statefair on monday, there was some time-dialation from the sheer increase to like 29 Solar Masses.

01:03:39 mod6: it was crazy

01:04:24 mod6: im actually like 293 years old now, i just look like im 35.

01:04:30 mircea_popescu: lmao

01:04:37 trinque: mod6: don't get that close to Gargantua

01:04:44 mod6: ^

01:04:52 *: mod6 laughs

01:04:58 mircea_popescu: "us democracy has provedly brought the absolute worst solutions to all conceivable problems for the past 50 years. why would anyone not want it in their country!"

01:05:22 mircea_popescu: because srsly... anyone recall my argument re drugs legalisation ?

01:05:24 mod6: democracy for everyone! we will send you the diebold machines!

01:05:30 mircea_popescu: you have bad food legalisation atm. who isn't fat ?

01:05:31 mircea_popescu: rich people.

01:05:36 mircea_popescu: q fucking ed.

01:05:56 mircea_popescu: if drugs were legal, the only ones left standing would be idem.

01:05:58 deedbot-: [Qntra] Guilty Plea After Package Tracking Breaks Opsec in Darkmarket Drug Case - http://qntra.net/2015/09/guilty-plea-after-package-tracking-breaks-opsec-in-darkmarket-drug-case/

01:06:01 mod6: yeah. true.

01:06:14 mircea_popescu: mod6 not like the fatsos couldn't buy cheap shit and cook at home.

01:06:17 mircea_popescu: but thye don't.

01:06:30 mircea_popescu: and it's EXACTLY like, junkies COULD do something else with their time

01:06:32 mircea_popescu: but they won't.

01:06:40 mod6: it boggles the mind. i always look at other peoples carts at the grocery store.

01:06:47 mircea_popescu: and now salary is, for 50% of the population, based on the mcdonalds mchappyshit

01:06:59 mircea_popescu: and then, salary will be, for 50% of the population, based on the going sprice.

01:07:32 mod6: the heaviest people always have 57 bags of pizza rolls, 28 hotpockets, 13 bags of cheesy poofs and 10 2 litre bottles of diet coke.

01:07:48 *: mircea_popescu is stuffed with TWO!!! homemade round breads + argentine milanesa (schnitzel really). fucking delicious.

01:08:01 mircea_popescu: meanwhile everywhere kfc is going crazy advertising a ... 5 meat patty thing

01:08:16 mod6: lol.

01:08:26 mircea_popescu: it looks like painted sponge, that meat.

01:08:29 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260429 << the fuckers tried, in '89. went home with tail between legs, tank tread marks

01:08:29 assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 00:26:41; mircea_popescu: ahahaha wouldn't they like to "bring democracy" to china too

01:08:45 mircea_popescu: i dunno, who the fuck can eat them. it literally looks like 10x my daily meat intake, and im a consummate carnivore.

01:09:24 asciilifeform: alba-neagra << l0l!!

01:09:37 mircea_popescu: three card monte

01:09:55 mircea_popescu: about 50% of romania's foreign investment in the early 90s came from young colorful men plying that trade abroad.

01:09:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18551 @ 0.00069995 = 12.9848 BTC [-]

01:10:25 mats: guilty-plea-after-package-tracking-breaks-opsec << what an idiot crime. you gonna set up a stooge at the drop and hope he can outrun the black van?

01:11:07 asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> so instead of steel bars limiting access to subway to only people that can fit through << EXACTLY like that thing they have at airports, for briefcases 1!!1

01:11:43 mircea_popescu: quite.

01:11:48 mod6: mircea_popescu: one thing about food in b-a, it's amazing how good /real/ food tastes! lol.

01:11:48 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

01:11:56 mircea_popescu: mod6 yeah. hard to beat.

01:12:05 mircea_popescu: tho they have nfi about dairy.

01:12:06 asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> and it's EXACTLY like, junkies COULD do something else with their time << what, exactly? theorems ?

01:12:19 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform burpees.

01:12:25 asciilifeform: !s no theorems to prove

01:12:25 assbot: 1 results for 'no theorems to prove' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=no+theorems+to+prove

01:12:44 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform remember my mouse ?

01:12:49 mircea_popescu: it also had no theorems to prove.

01:13:03 mircea_popescu: except, perhaps, one. hardly any theo and a lot of rem in it.

01:13:20 asciilifeform: for mouse they also have the pleasure electrode.

01:13:21 trinque: were there no welfare bad food and drugs would be fine filters

01:13:25 asciilifeform: works great.

01:13:31 mod6: <+mircea_popescu> tho they have nfi about dairy. << that one italian place had some decent cheese iirc... but perhaps it was imported.

01:13:39 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu just happened upon an unpatched mouse, that's all..

01:13:56 mircea_popescu: all cheese imported,a nd i have very specific cream and kefir/yogurt requirements.

01:14:04 mod6: ah

01:14:22 *: trinque had unpasteurized milk recently; there's a good farm for it nearby

01:14:30 *: mircea_popescu wants transylvanian sour cream god fucking damn it all.

01:14:37 asciilifeform: 'good farm' in usa is like good farm in pripyat'

01:14:41 asciilifeform: relative thing.

01:14:41 trinque: bullshit.

01:14:51 trinque: entirely; you just live in the worst part of the US

01:15:03 mircea_popescu: by choice even!

01:15:10 mircea_popescu: hey asciilifeform how come you live in shitington, dc ?

01:15:20 trinque: I've milked the fuckers myself and this tasted just like that

01:15:22 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: originally - family

01:15:25 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: today - meatwot

01:15:28 mircea_popescu: and unoriginally ?

01:15:31 trinque: had the nice muted sweetness to it, quite alive

01:15:53 mircea_popescu: wait trinque can milk ?!

01:16:03 trinque: sure, parents have 130 cows or so

01:16:07 mircea_popescu: hehe.

01:16:18 mod6: im simply amazed that you can sit on that beltway everyday. that stuff was bananaballs.

01:16:25 asciilifeform: mod6: i either do it or starve.

01:16:25 trinque: I don't do it often, but I know my way around an udder, lol

01:16:25 mircea_popescu: for a while years ago i amused myself by organising reality tours for various people from afar. sort-of like a conference i guess.

01:16:36 mod6: asciilifeform: understandable.

01:16:42 mircea_popescu: once we went to a farm, and cow was being milked by girl

01:16:46 trinque: asciilifeform: you could find some bullshit startup to.. milk

01:16:47 mircea_popescu: and i was like "go ahead, milk it!"

01:16:54 trinque: and make loads of bezzlars

01:16:56 mircea_popescu: obviously this can't be done

01:17:04 asciilifeform: trinque: that's sorta where i work, minus the 'loads' part

01:17:04 mircea_popescu: !up anono

01:17:40 trinque: asciilifeform: I bet Galois in town would hire ya

01:17:59 asciilifeform: trinque: i think i told the story before. i have no desire at all to be 'in job market'

01:18:03 asciilifeform: or to work on 'in-demand things'

01:18:08 asciilifeform: or to compete with 19 y.o. in any way.

01:18:14 trinque: sure, they'd make you write haskell all day or something

01:18:21 asciilifeform: for other people's ideas, aha.

01:18:37 mircea_popescu: no country for old alfs.

01:18:40 asciilifeform: aha.

01:19:10 mircea_popescu: or in the words of maggie the cat, "you can be young without money. but you can't be old without it"

01:19:12 asciilifeform: trinque: presently i am paid to work on one of the least interesting ideas i ever had. and this beats working with the most interesting idea other people ever had, in my demented head.

01:19:37 trinque: I can sorta see it; at least one might come home with some cycles left to spend on something interesting

01:21:08 asciilifeform: trinque: at any rate, i regard the idea of being hired to do something specific, worse, involving other people's code, to resemble jail

01:21:11 asciilifeform: minus all the good parts

01:21:37 mod6: worse even

01:21:41 asciilifeform: but i think i already told this story, long ago.

01:25:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18264 @ 0.00069348 = 12.6657 BTC [-]

01:33:05 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260497 << gluttony (like dope) is the singularly most pleasurable thing these folks have going. hence the result.

01:33:05 assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 01:06:14; mircea_popescu: mod6 not like the fatsos couldn't buy cheap shit and cook at home.

01:35:10 mats: the argument is often made that 'healthy food' in us is expensive

01:35:23 mats: and the 'cheap shit' roughly approximates to rice and beans or a mcchicken

01:36:15 asciilifeform: mats: if you want non-hormonal meat, non-poisoned veggies, etc. they ~do~ cost 2-7x. plus then you need the time/inclination/space to cook'em.

01:37:31 asciilifeform: the other interesting thing is that the market is segmented in such a way that anyone who doesn't want mcfood ends up paying for ~all~ the alt-crackpotteries, not merely the logical ones

01:38:03 asciilifeform: e.g. there is no 'i don't care if the chicken ate gmo corn but please no antibiotic' shop

01:38:19 asciilifeform: only 'we swear these chickens ate neither, and you will believe' shop.

01:39:02 asciilifeform: there are ~precisely two~ buttons on the panel, 'mcfood' and 'hippie'

01:39:19 asciilifeform: (with a third, hastily wired in like an iraqi ad hoc mine, 'grow own')

01:40:41 asciilifeform: mats: here i am discussing foods that one buys and then at least heats. not even touching upon the mcdrivethrough sort, which ~is~ an optional thing

01:41:16 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260502 << on what planet, in what alt-usa ?

01:41:16 assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 01:06:47; mircea_popescu: and now salary is, for 50% of the population, based on the mcdonalds mchappyshit

01:41:26 asciilifeform: mcturd costs a dollar or two.

01:41:39 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> (with a third, hastily wired in like an iraqi ad hoc mine, 'grow own') << Not so bad, cheap monetarily and in terms of time for the veggies, get expensive quickly for the proteins

01:41:41 asciilifeform: about ten minutes' wage of an illegal mexican.

01:42:49 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in usa folks are gouged for rent, not for food.

01:43:24 asciilifeform: it is very uncommon to even think about what food costs here.

01:43:44 asciilifeform: the way it works is that everyone eats the things they were raised to see as ordinary, and at each particular class, those appear cheap.

01:43:57 asciilifeform: whereas it is not uncommon to pay 50-80% of income for the roof over head.

01:48:01 *: asciilifeform implodes. >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260505

01:48:01 assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 01:07:48; *: mircea_popescu is stuffed with TWO!!! homemade round breads + argentine milanesa (schnitzel really). fucking delicious.

01:48:39 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260473 << as if this helped on airplane

01:48:39 assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 00:59:53; mod6: i think that's next, bars between seats.

01:49:58 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260453 << the nuance here is that the city as we know it is fundamentally a creation of mass transport. as in, you would have to demolish almost all of new york or london to park cars, if everyone were to come by car.

01:49:58 assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 00:53:24; mircea_popescu: well how about fuck that. no "bigger blocks", no mass transit, no government anything.

01:50:19 asciilifeform: (at that point, why drive'em in ? so they can sit on endless parking lot going to the horizon ?)

01:51:05 mats: mcdrivethru is a solid deal if you're looking to just exist, yakno

01:51:20 mats: a buck and some change gets you ~350cals, 14g protein

01:51:22 asciilifeform: so long as you don't need to exist for more than a decade or three

01:52:09 asciilifeform: mats: mcfood is not even the end of this line. theodore dalrymple tells us that the standard 'chavv class' brit's dinner is a bag of chips.

01:52:13 asciilifeform: eaten a couplea times a day

01:52:24 asciilifeform: (or 'crisps' as they are called there)

01:52:35 asciilifeform: even cheaper than the american burger

01:52:39 asciilifeform: needs no cook, no heat.

01:52:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14497 @ 0.00069297 = 10.046 BTC [-]

01:52:46 asciilifeform: can be eaten while shitting, literally

01:52:52 asciilifeform: or walking, or whatever.

01:53:33 asciilifeform: they, apparently, do not have (or are moving in the direction) such a thing as 'family sits down for dinner'

01:53:43 asciilifeform: everyone just eats from bag, like a horse, whenever.

01:53:47 funkenstein_: compare price to bag of potatoes, or oats, to see real value

01:53:56 asciilifeform: potatoes have to be prepared !!

01:54:09 mats: 21:49:57 <+asciilifeform> ... the nuance here is that the city as we know it is fundamentally a creation of mass transport. as in, you would have to demolish almost all of new york or london to park cars, if everyone were to come by car. << you ever been to LA?

01:54:09 asciilifeform: that means time away from the screen

01:54:17 funkenstein_: megalogs.. applause on thread: re standards become the sorcerers explanation

01:54:23 asciilifeform: mats: no, but even in la.

01:55:49 asciilifeform: mats: it is interesting to walk through 'financial' parts of d.c., or nyc, and notice that the offices full of folks too high and mighty to sit on a train, are largely multiple floor after floor of underground and above-ground tower parking, by sheer volume.

01:56:15 asciilifeform: in nyc they even have little cranes (yes) which stuff cars into shelves, robotically

01:57:00 asciilifeform: realize also that a car takes up, integrated over a typical day, vastly more volume than the wheeled coffin per se occupies

01:57:05 funkenstein_: asciilifeform, the joke is on them of course. the train is infinitely more comfortable

01:57:07 asciilifeform: because it is (part of the time) in motion.

01:57:17 asciilifeform: funkenstein_: comfortable when empty but for you.

01:57:21 asciilifeform: then - best train.

01:57:44 *: funkenstein_ stood shoulder to shoulder in packed train today comfortably reading book

01:58:01 funkenstein_: *subway

01:58:17 asciilifeform: funkenstein_ must then have peculiar notion of 'comfortable'

01:58:32 mats: sop in every mega-city: hk and sg island, tokyo, monaco, london, etc...

01:59:57 funkenstein_: hint: being able to close eyes is a start

02:00:51 trinque: I loathe public transportation.

02:01:17 trinque: here it's more than likely you'll share it with some bum covered in his own shit and piss

02:01:28 mats: 21:57:42 — +funkenstein_ stood shoulder to shoulder in packed train today comfortably reading book << reminds me when i'd catch a nap in the cattle car during movements between barracks and training site, fully burdened by gear and supported on all sides by other dudes

02:01:28 trinque: really doesn't matter where in the car he is; you smell him

02:01:29 asciilifeform: trinque: where i live this is true of bus; but not usually train

02:01:54 trinque: they don't enforce tickets very well

02:02:05 trinque: probably as some tacit matter of policy

02:03:15 funkenstein_: well you could always carry a two ton steel wheelchair with you and wait in line behind idiots

02:03:39 mats: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUMyNO8OGmk << oh the memories

02:03:40 assbot: Getting on the Cattle truck MP AIT Fort Leonard Wood - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1NOmX3w )

02:04:05 asciilifeform: funkenstein_: most folks i know who have the option of going on the train, do

02:04:10 asciilifeform: funkenstein_: i did, when i did

02:04:42 trinque: parking's probably hell around there

02:04:50 asciilifeform: trinque: where ?

02:04:58 trinque: nearabouts DC

02:05:04 asciilifeform: trinque: depends very much where

02:05:15 funkenstein_: mats, looks like morale is high :)

02:05:22 asciilifeform: trinque: the office park where i work is ~80% vacant and you could land a boeing on the parking

02:05:31 asciilifeform: going on 90%

02:05:35 trinque: ah not bad

02:06:36 mats: MPs got it easy in 'AIT' (job training)

02:07:21 mircea_popescu: <mats> the argument is often made that 'healthy food' in us is expensive <<< healthy food is expensive if you imagine yourself me but for the grace of god, and then attempt to remedy this lack of grace by papering over with money. yes you'll have to pay a lot for someone who doesn't want to, to cook at home for you.

02:08:02 *: asciilifeform has who to cook for him, and isn't even a mircea_popescu

02:08:18 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> the other interesting thing is that the market is segmented in such a way that anyone who doesn't want mcfood ends up paying for ~all~ the alt-crackpotteries, not merely the logical ones << this is a very valid point, and the one spot where alf's ideas re meta-lizzards sound most persuasive. i do not believe the market is gerrymandered as it is by accident.

02:08:21 asciilifeform: speaking of, brb!

02:08:29 mircea_popescu: maybe for natural causes, but aided and abetted nevertheless.

02:09:25 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> mcturd costs a dollar or two. << look at how "inflation" is calculated sometime.

02:11:04 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> f everyone were to come by car. << the city as we know it is before that a creation of the "not everyone's invited" principle.

02:11:33 mircea_popescu: the entire point of having a city and cars is the endless line of half-naked farm teenagers begging for a ride, stretching out to the horizon.

02:11:44 mircea_popescu: take that away, having towns is a waste of everyone's time.

02:12:52 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> everyone just eats from bag, like a horse, whenever. << good enough for the pakistani's rapemeat warehouse.

02:15:14 ag3nt_zer0: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260597 << changing?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwI3Nya5L9g

02:15:14 assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 01:42:49; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in usa folks are gouged for rent, not for food.

02:15:15 assbot: Inflation Propaganda Exposed - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1NOnQcB )

02:15:36 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> funkenstein_: comfortable when empty but for you. << ro anecdote. many years ago /me went to pick up new slavegirl, decided on train for return trip. rented out whole compartment. upon entering ordered girl to strip and masturbate. cue VERY amazed train conductor guy checking tickets, level with and two feet away from rubbed clit.

02:17:20 mircea_popescu: <mats> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUMyNO8OGmk << oh the memories << why do the women sound drunk ?

02:17:21 assbot: Getting on the Cattle truck MP AIT Fort Leonard Wood - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1NOmX3w )

02:17:26 mircea_popescu: i won't ask about "stupid"

02:19:16 mats: i dunno.

02:20:08 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in daily argentinian lols : their government is deeply inept (so much so that id cards actually have chips with medical history and whatnot). takes me about ten minutes to have complete history on anyone on the basis of their identity number.

02:20:20 mircea_popescu: like, what their mother's name was and employment history and whatnot

02:20:36 mircea_popescu: it is the one saving grace because otherwise twerpy as they are they'd be entirely unsuable.

02:21:27 mircea_popescu: but anyway, it's a fine exercise in the importance of "national identity" schemes. they exist so that the actual people can make some sort of sense of the cattle.

02:21:34 mircea_popescu: which, otherwise, moos, yes, but not meaningfully.

02:21:58 mod6: everyone has these id cards?

02:22:00 mod6: or just gov?

02:22:03 mircea_popescu: everyone.

02:22:18 mircea_popescu: and yes, i understand that the view in the us is that such schemes take away individual agency.

02:22:47 mircea_popescu: the problem is - they do not. they merely are made unavoidable by the already lost individual agency. which people lose because it's too heavy t ocarry, like the late roman army shield and helmet.

02:22:55 mircea_popescu: so... of necessity.

02:23:36 mircea_popescu: but saying "the government wants nat'l ids to oppress people" is like saying "maggots want blood separation to kill the corpse".

02:23:45 mircea_popescu: by the time blood solids separate out of plasm the body's long dead.

02:24:42 mircea_popescu: (the silent H in all this being : no, an argentine can't pretend to me to be X or Y or Z. because i have a schematic understanding of what he MAY be, and that is the absolute and enforced limit of his destiny.)

02:25:45 mircea_popescu: and the exact same thing is coming to an us near you. because if you let the twerps "be what they want to be", they'll want to be "creative evangelists at large" and similar randy zuckerbergianisms. which aren't things.

02:26:21 mod6: oh yeah, they tried to pass all that through a while back.

02:26:34 mircea_popescu: it's going to happen, of necessity.

02:28:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47550 @ 0.00069348 = 32.975 BTC [+]

02:28:24 mircea_popescu: once people lose the ability to confront кто ты по жизни (and notice i did not say "answer"), a numeric classification system is unavoidable.

02:31:51 trinque: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2015/09/02/russias-involvement-in-syria-might-be-ramping-up/ << more rumors and mumbling

02:31:52 assbot: Russia’s involvement in Syria might be ramping up - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1NOoU04 )

02:32:20 mod6: are you still trying to find MSM articles on that? i dug one up from bbc earlier...

02:32:37 trinque: yeah, but all they're doing is acknowledging the rumors from elsewhere

02:34:36 mod6: dow was up 293 points today. im sure they use the circut breakers just as much when price movements are to the upside.

02:34:40 mod6: not.

02:36:24 mod6: what a scam

02:36:36 trinque: never have I felt like so many things were on the verge of... well, god knows what... all at once.

02:36:40 trinque: though I have not lived very long

02:38:18 pete_dushenski: trinque: 'may you live in interesting times'

02:38:29 pete_dushenski: trinque: also, what are you, 25 ? 30 ?

02:38:33 trinque: these are interesting but... slow!

02:38:45 trinque: everything crawls, maybe due to the attention span of the modern media consumer

02:38:47 trinque: 28

02:39:19 pete_dushenski: ah nice

02:39:45 pete_dushenski: and while it may feel like everything on the verge, things can feel that way for decades

02:40:13 pete_dushenski: while some governments or currencies or infrastructure items may fail, it'll be a series of events, not all at once

02:40:32 pete_dushenski: well, it ~is~ a series of events, and we're witnessing it

02:41:07 trinque: mhm, as mircea_popescu noted re: chinese selling of us bonds

02:41:13 pete_dushenski: what it would be like to live in an age when ~everything~ seems to be improving, may we one day find out, but that will be a long day from today

02:41:28 trinque: hell I'd just like to watch it rip loose

02:41:35 mircea_popescu: !up dgenr8

02:41:42 pete_dushenski: probably what 1950's usa felt like, on the improvement score

02:41:53 pete_dushenski: trinque: you dionysian you

02:42:00 mats: sociopath.

02:42:02 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: read '50s e.g., 'popular mechanics' sometime

02:42:10 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: surreal experience

02:42:15 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski /me lived like that for a coupla decades, actually. ro of the 90s was a fab thing.

02:43:05 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: i read pop sci, pop mech, growing up. they fascinated me even in the early 90s. will have to check on 50s back copies

02:43:14 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: i bet!

02:43:28 trinque: mats: aw, isn't sociopathic to pull the plug on grandpa when cancer's eating him all through

02:43:39 mircea_popescu: in mid july 1989 govt was pretending like romanians did useful work. by 1992 govt was out and out saying that the ~65 dollars a month you earn is barely justified by your work value.

02:43:48 mircea_popescu: once that was on the table, the country shot up.

02:43:53 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260662 << actually this is the one place where the clean hand of marketronics seems to me most apparent. reasonable sane people are not numerous enough here to be a market segment even to sell a paper clip.

02:43:53 assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 02:08:18; mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> the other interesting thing is that the market is segmented in such a way that anyone who doesn't want mcfood ends up paying for ~all~ the alt-crackpotteries, not merely the logical ones << this is a very valid point, and the one spot where alf's ideas re meta-lizzards sound most persuasive. i do not believe the market is gerrymandered as it is by accident.

02:44:03 asciilifeform: instead, we have idiot poor and imbecile rich

02:44:13 asciilifeform: these form the 'mcfood' and 'hippie' segments respectively.

02:45:31 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform only redistyributive taxation can create this situation where they who should be rich think they're somehow poor, and the poor wear alternatively idiot and imbecile clothes.

02:46:18 asciilifeform: however created, this is how it works.

02:46:33 mircea_popescu: that article i did about "cheers", the sitcom is very illustrative. twerp in question imagines "class" as in, that ancient matter of a person's quality in society, is a matter of anointed. she thinks some vagabond is "high class" because she went to some school.

02:46:34 trinque: my favorite alt-food crackpottery is the gluten free thing

02:46:37 *: pete_dushenski just had a moment imagining taxation that wasn't ~distributive~ but actually for summun bonum

02:46:43 trinque: you check the nutrition label and it has nothing in it

02:46:44 asciilifeform: i've never seen anything else in my entire adult life. all of the other variants of human organization may as well be ancient rome, for all the personal experience i have of them.

02:46:58 trinque: granted a small percentage of people actually need it (celiacs, etc)

02:47:05 trinque: but it's more "filler" than mcd's

02:47:17 asciilifeform: trinque: were were these 'needers' in 1800 ?

02:47:20 asciilifeform: *where

02:47:29 mircea_popescu: trinque i'll give you an extra lol. recently the source of the "salt is bad mkay", ie the ustardemia, came out with an admission of the fraudulent nature of that entire swathe of "research". this however has not yet reached the latino "scientists" who mostly exist through translating things and pretending.

02:47:34 trinque: I dunno, but I do know someone who shits blood when she eats bread

02:47:42 mircea_popescu: so right now if you're a spanish speaker salt is white death still.

02:47:44 asciilifeform: trinque: since birth ?

02:47:47 trinque: yeah

02:48:18 trinque: mircea_popescu: translating lol. I knew an Argentine chick; she did exactly this, and was supposed to be intellectual because of it

02:48:27 mircea_popescu: and high class of course.

02:48:41 mircea_popescu: (/me has known enough of the sort by noiw, to the degree he mostly points at their face and laughs)

02:48:42 trinque: oh indeed, and loved american "rock and roll" from the 80s

02:48:56 trinque: asciilifeform: shits blood and barfs with any wheat product

02:49:04 asciilifeform: also mircea_popescu - what's it mean, 'think they're somehow poor'

02:49:12 trinque: I half-suspect it's an autoimmune thing caused by not wheat, but something they had in the production thereof

02:49:13 mircea_popescu: what you do, asciilifeform .

02:49:22 asciilifeform: wtf, i'm actually poor

02:49:36 mircea_popescu: right.

02:49:41 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: i developed gluten intolerance (not dissimilar to lactose intolerance as an experience) as an adult. why ? monsanto ? youthful rebellion against grain-growing ancestors ? who knows

02:49:46 asciilifeform: having to, e.g., work for a living, actually compute costs of things, etc

02:50:23 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: this, as i understand, is typical. you can give yourself an intolerance for just about anything, by avoiding it

02:50:45 asciilifeform: serious multi-decade vegetarians will have problems digesting meat (at least for a while)

02:51:04 trinque: folks with celiacs will actually scar the lining of their intestines eating gluten

02:51:09 mircea_popescu: the difference between the black slave of 1815 and the black freeman of 2015 is that the former actually thinks that, to paraphrase, ", you don't get to fuck the white mistress."

02:51:10 mircea_popescu: well...

02:51:29 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: oddly, my metabolism has worked in the reverse of that theory. ate it regularly, eventually 'had problems', now, few years on, can handle small amounts

02:51:30 asciilifeform: trinque: again, where were they in 1800 ?

02:51:43 trinque: asciilifeform: I don't know the mechanism, but I've seen the bloody shits.

02:51:59 pete_dushenski: trinque: on instagram ?

02:52:13 trinque: my fetishes are my business

02:52:15 trinque: in person!

02:52:19 mircea_popescu: you know, something not being known in 1800 is not automatic proof the something doesn't exist.

02:52:20 asciilifeform: trinque: tell you what, we didn't have it in su either

02:52:27 asciilifeform: trinque: nor autism

02:52:32 pete_dushenski: aids

02:52:40 trinque: again, I wouldn't be surprised if it's some garbage that was in wheat production processes at some point

02:52:47 asciilifeform: ^

02:52:52 trinque: perhaps the immune system gets irritated, marks the gluten instead of whatever else

02:52:55 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but autism is an actual thing, or you disagree with the very notion ?

02:52:57 trinque: or it and the other thing

02:53:04 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: is a thing, i saw it alive.

02:53:08 mircea_popescu: aha.

02:53:08 pete_dushenski: trinque: good chance it's correlation, yes

02:55:35 mircea_popescu: trinque did person ever had homebaked bread ?

02:55:36 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260761 << ftr. this is an abysmal a definition of 'poverty' as whatever gov metric, '>50% spent on room and board' or whatever

02:55:36 assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 02:49:46; asciilifeform: having to, e.g., work for a living, actually compute costs of things, etc

02:55:48 trinque: mircea_popescu: not to my knowledge. it'd be a good experiment

02:55:56 mircea_popescu: if they're up to experimentation.

02:56:04 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: very nearly 50

02:56:17 trinque: she did also have an issue with lactose, had less trouble with that unpasteurized milk from the nearby farm

02:56:35 trinque: all these diseases smack of "ate not-food most of my life"

02:56:38 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: but moreover, 'poor' is a matter of emotion strictly. a brick cannot be poor.

02:56:45 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: then you're only borderline ! gov says !

02:56:47 mod6: i agree with ascii; if you have to look at the price tags, you're not rich.

02:56:49 asciilifeform: because brick has 100% of what he wants.

02:57:10 asciilifeform: mod6: i will add, if you use an alarm clock, and don't have the option of stopping, you're not rich;

02:57:11 pete_dushenski: mod6: such nonsense

02:57:11 trinque: I dunno; prices are good information

02:57:19 pete_dushenski: ^

02:57:22 trinque: why would someone who knew enough about money to keep it ignore those

02:57:30 asciilifeform: did not say 'ignore'

02:57:38 asciilifeform: again, like the clock

02:57:43 asciilifeform: rich has ~the option~ of ignoring.

02:57:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28900 @ 0.00069348 = 20.0416 BTC [+]

02:57:52 mod6: not that they're not good info, or good signals in a market place. but if you go shopping and have to think about weather you can afford to buy something, you're not rich.

02:57:59 trinque: yeah granted

02:58:00 asciilifeform: he can set alarm clock, as mircea_popescu suggested, to watch a meteor shower.

02:58:13 mod6: <+asciilifeform> rich has ~the option~ of ignoring. << yah, & alarm clock, job, et al.

02:58:15 asciilifeform: but it is an ~option~

02:58:19 pete_dushenski: mod6: as if rich people don't weigh out costs and benefits ?

02:58:22 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think you two are conflating at least three things. there is 1. "not having any ability to direct the course of public affairs, as encoded in "money" in this society" ; 2. "not having 1 and perceiving one should have it" ; 3. perceiving one should not have it.

02:58:39 mircea_popescu: i agree you're poor as per 3. you like to claim it's as per 1.

02:58:52 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i don't give a tinker's damn per public affairs.. only sleep-ad-libitum.

02:59:01 asciilifeform: these are 'packaged together', yes

02:59:02 mircea_popescu: your ass is public property in this view.

02:59:07 pete_dushenski: maybe i buy off-brand mac and cheese instead of 'kraft dinner', save $0.50, invest, be moar rich !

02:59:27 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha. 'money with which to buy back own arse' is, approximately, what 'rich' means in my mind.

02:59:31 mircea_popescu: much like genitalia belong, indivise, to "the other gender" as a group

02:59:47 mircea_popescu: yes but the problem with that worldview is that it makes absolutely no sense.

03:00:05 mircea_popescu: you can not "buy back own arse", at any price, for as long as you think in those terms or anything like them, your ass is public property.

03:00:34 mircea_popescu: and this is purely a subjective problem, no matter what it masquerades as.

03:00:51 asciilifeform: more on account of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-04-2015#1090204

03:00:51 assbot: Logged on 07-04-2015 00:10:01; mircea_popescu: just like having a car doesn't alow having gasoline. it's true that often people who have cars also independently have gasoline, but the two are fundamentally unrelated, and there is such a thing as the fool's breakdown, ie, car's outta gas on the side of hte road.

03:01:07 asciilifeform: if i had 'the money', someone would simply whack me with a club & take it.

03:01:09 trinque: seems you can't own just your ass

03:01:13 trinque: you have to own the context of the ass!

03:01:16 asciilifeform: also need the nukes.

03:01:25 mircea_popescu: trinque not if that tightly packed with other asses.

03:01:50 mircea_popescu: his tragedy, and make no mistake alf is a true tragic figure,

03:02:25 mircea_popescu: is that his brain has decided it will not live without the products of industry ; while his ass does not enjoy the delights of anal proximity ; while the two are insepoarable, respectively : his ass from his head, and industry from maggotry.

03:02:32 mircea_popescu: you are not, incidentally, the first to confront this.,

03:02:43 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu has, i think, separated the two ?

03:02:48 asciilifeform: using cyclotron, perhaps

03:02:50 asciilifeform: but separated.

03:02:52 mircea_popescu: early men building up the us as an industrial power did want the part where maggotry allows them to run textile mills

03:03:03 asciilifeform: taleb - separated.

03:03:08 asciilifeform: it can be done.

03:03:12 mircea_popescu: but they hated with burning passion the girls involved. which, i'm sure, in their worst nightmares sounded just like mats' bus linked above

03:03:20 mircea_popescu: so they invented this incredibly contorted torture mechanism for them

03:03:24 mircea_popescu: didn't do anything for either party.

03:03:58 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i can not answer for taleb. i can tell you that as far as i'm concerned, a) my ass actually enjoys the company and b) my head actually doesn't much care about the industry.

03:04:18 mircea_popescu: so my solution is merely lower temperature under the tragedy pot, nothing else.

03:04:22 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: your roquefort is flown in on what, dragon?

03:04:27 mircea_popescu: so ?

03:04:30 asciilifeform: or mechanical flying machine

03:04:36 asciilifeform: product of what, if not industry?

03:04:45 asciilifeform: do i catastrophically fail to grasp this ...?

03:04:47 mircea_popescu: and if i were in prison, i'd still have roquefort flown in, and it'd still be shared with some monkeys.

03:04:47 trinque: this is kinda what I mean about something like "you're smart, take the shartups for all they're worth"

03:04:50 mircea_popescu: and i still wouldn't mind.

03:05:01 asciilifeform: trinque: the problem is that they are not worth much

03:05:07 asciilifeform: trinque: if you are not among the annointed

03:05:12 mircea_popescu: i stuffed more of the finest sturgeon roe into random women than anyone you know.

03:05:15 trinque: I know a guy that makes like 120k building terrible web-pages

03:05:16 mircea_popescu: what else is roquefort for ?

03:05:23 trinque: I bet Galois pays more

03:05:27 asciilifeform: trinque: i bet he works a full shift

03:05:33 asciilifeform: ON FUCKNG OTHERRPEOPLESCODE

03:05:37 trinque: nah he farts around and drinks

03:05:42 asciilifeform: it's like eating other people's shit

03:05:46 asciilifeform: if you had to eat shit,

03:05:51 asciilifeform: wouldtcha rather eat own shit?

03:05:52 trinque: I dunno I have a sense of humor about it

03:05:53 mircea_popescu: tragic figure.

03:05:55 trinque: "oh my god, smell this"

03:06:01 trinque: ben_vulpes: ^

03:08:27 asciilifeform: trinque: btw i will mention that there was a time when i was out of work and starving, and tried to do all kinds of things. the normal corporate folks could tell what kind of animal i was from ten minutes' conversation and wouldn't touch me with a barge pole.

03:08:30 mircea_popescu: and in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/464ce498c71465cd582fba778a055a3c/tumblr_nb6dz6VqO71rxt77ao9_1280.jpg

03:08:31 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1LMniRc )

03:08:44 asciilifeform: trinque: i even once applied for enslavement at nsa !

03:08:46 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how do you know this ?

03:09:03 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sympathetic grunts informed via side-channel

03:09:19 mircea_popescu: that what, "this guy is too independent thinker to hire" ?

03:09:31 trinque: what's the islamic concept re: lying to enemies?

03:09:37 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not in quite these words

03:09:46 mircea_popescu: but in substance ?

03:09:47 asciilifeform: aha

03:10:10 mats: 'taqiyya'?

03:10:12 asciilifeform: 'has never done anything but r&d, will run away after nanosecond when gets a chance'

03:10:17 trinque: mats: that's the one

03:10:17 *: mircea_popescu wishes he'd have the poetic skill of at least a tolstoy, to write The Story of Alf,

03:10:21 asciilifeform: l0l

03:10:22 mircea_popescu: a great tragedy it'd be too

03:10:43 asciilifeform: trinque: if i were any good at lying, i would already be working as a professional liar. considering that i live in the world's capital for these

03:10:55 mircea_popescu: why do you suck at lying ?

03:10:57 asciilifeform: or at least in hollywood.

03:11:06 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: idk, why do i suck at ping-pong ?

03:11:25 mircea_popescu: that is probably because you overcompensate.

03:11:44 mircea_popescu: "too tight, trying too hard" etc in parlance.

03:11:53 asciilifeform: what i really suck at is socializing with generic humans without wanting to eat a bullet almost immediately

03:12:16 mats: such drama

03:12:29 mats: truly deserving of a screenplay

03:12:56 mircea_popescu: how come ? no curiosity ?

03:13:17 asciilifeform: same reason why most people don't relish chimp cage

03:13:33 mircea_popescu: whassat ?

03:13:34 asciilifeform: if you don't have the circuitry, it is an insurmountable and - more importantly - entirely unappealing problem to solve.

03:13:42 mircea_popescu: people fucking pay to be around the chimp cage

03:13:47 asciilifeform: but not in.

03:13:50 asciilifeform: important difference.

03:13:58 asciilifeform: they ~would~ - do - pay to avoid being locked in.

03:14:09 asciilifeform: entire u.s. real estate racket is based on this fact.

03:14:19 ag3nt_zer0: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260777 << http://www.wwtdd.com/2014/05/gluten-was-just-fucking-with-you/

03:14:19 assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 02:52:40; trinque: again, I wouldn't be surprised if it's some garbage that was in wheat production processes at some point

03:14:21 assbot: Gluten Was Just Fucking With You – ... ( http://bit.ly/1LMnHTQ )

03:14:26 mircea_popescu: is this "not having the circuitry" anything akin to "i cnat spael, i'm an artistic type" ?

03:14:42 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's more like 'i can't walk, had polio'

03:14:57 trinque: I dunno; you don't have to subscribe to their newsletter to talk

03:15:01 mircea_popescu: well if you feel like writing about this polio sometime i'll read it.

03:15:10 trinque: consider the person a specimen and ask questions

03:15:13 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260690 << i like how mircea_popescu comes back to this image. makes me often privately wonder if he did a tour of duty as an undertaker when young man

03:15:13 assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 02:23:45; mircea_popescu: by the time blood solids separate out of plasm the body's long dead.

03:16:04 asciilifeform: (there is a hilarious little book, by some american fella, 'stiff' - about process of decomposition and the practical applications of said field)

03:16:12 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it is in bad taste to kill people but be unfamiliar with the body's path through this world. much like eating cream but never having milked a cow, or eating meat but never having hunted, and so forth.

03:16:18 trinque: ag3nt_zer0: yup aside from celiacs it's bullshit

03:16:39 mircea_popescu: the point is made in passing in that discussion of rabbit killing.

03:17:03 asciilifeform: orwell had a piece concerning this, somewhere

03:17:18 asciilifeform: 'pacifist eats plenty of death but never cooks any himself'

03:17:24 mircea_popescu: aha.

03:17:26 asciilifeform: something to that effect

03:21:50 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260904 << i recently met a fella who cannot drink american instant coffee. breaks out in hives. and not on account of the coffee, but from having allergy to... cockroaches.

03:21:50 assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 03:14:19; assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 02:52:40; trinque: again, I wouldn't be surprised if it's some garbage that was in wheat production processes at some point

03:21:58 asciilifeform: too much roach ppm.

03:22:01 asciilifeform: in said product.

03:22:58 asciilifeform: (he would not do well in a ru flat. but allergy is really something you develop from hyper-hygienic conditions anyway. a man with roach allergy was an impossible thing where i come from)

03:24:20 mircea_popescu: you had cockroaches ?! in fucking russia ?!

03:24:23 asciilifeform: aha

03:24:41 asciilifeform: well, in what is now the land of the ukrs

03:24:56 mircea_popescu: that's... mindblowing.

03:25:01 asciilifeform: but it would be a mistake to suppose that they are absent from the northern latitudes

03:25:06 *: mircea_popescu had never seen a cockroach in the flesh before going to costa rica

03:25:13 asciilifeform: vermin follow man around, for as long as he heats his home

03:25:26 mircea_popescu: had serious problems overcoming the mild curiosity. i don't see them as THAT much of a pest yet actually.

03:25:27 asciilifeform: no roaches in ro?!!

03:25:40 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i had never ever seen one.

03:25:43 *: asciilifeform floored

03:25:45 mircea_popescu: i had seen a rat, once.

03:25:59 mircea_popescu: but it was more like a wilderness sighting of wonder than anything.

03:26:11 mircea_popescu: i didn't know anyone who had seen one.

03:26:13 asciilifeform: where i live now, rat is no less a thing than in any medieval town, i imagine.

03:26:43 mircea_popescu: i think maybe transylvania is not warm enough

03:26:48 asciilifeform: they are also titanically large

03:26:57 mircea_popescu: tho dc is iirc even further north

03:27:07 asciilifeform: we have two basic species of rat here, one that climbs, and one that tunnels

03:27:19 asciilifeform: (both can do either, clearly, but 'specialty')

03:27:57 asciilifeform: in my old flat i made use of a very spiffy kind of trap, true marvel of engineering,

03:28:06 asciilifeform: sorta like a miniature electric chair

03:28:07 asciilifeform: for rat.

03:28:29 asciilifeform: triggered by capacitance change in the floor grid (tubular-shaped vessel)

03:28:39 asciilifeform: early versions had a charge on the grid at all times,

03:28:41 asciilifeform: and caught nothing.

03:28:50 asciilifeform: (student exercise: describe ~why~.)

03:29:21 mircea_popescu: oh and acutally, the first time i EVER encountered a rodent as a domicile pest (of exactly three times total) is, iirc, on my blog somewhere.

03:29:28 mircea_popescu: coupla supercute mice in cairo apt.

03:29:43 *: asciilifeform had mice, by the dozen

03:30:17 asciilifeform: the most objectionable, imho, thing about mice, is the stream of shit they leave behind

03:30:45 asciilifeform: if it were not for this, might be difficult in a modern flat (with no sacks of grain to lose, etc) to even notice them.

03:31:11 asciilifeform: the mice infuriated me because they reminded me so much of human vermin.

03:31:30 asciilifeform: who also make it impossible to ignore themselves

03:31:49 asciilifeform: i remember the last two mice very well

03:32:04 asciilifeform: clubbed them to death personally, with crowbar.

03:32:08 asciilifeform: right in the kitchen

03:32:56 asciilifeform: (they were injured by a trap, but still somehow running, at half pace)

03:32:58 trinque: my cat came home bloody today, must've killed some rodent or another

03:33:08 asciilifeform: vitamin m !

03:33:09 trinque: wasn't his blood

03:33:41 asciilifeform: i tried once to keep a cat, in the old flat. he did not like it, escaped, tunneled through a grate and never seen again.

03:34:24 trinque: yeah, I let mine out; got him from somebody on craigslist in the woods in TX

03:34:43 trinque: they're fine animals if you let them do what they're made for: climbing trees and murdering smaller animals

03:34:53 asciilifeform: aha. cat belongs in the wild.

03:35:11 trinque: otherwise they turn into that sad window-gazing bastard that jumps at every noise

03:35:30 asciilifeform: the cats which orbit my current dwelling are almost ideal.

03:35:40 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260451 << i recently waded into the bizarro world of baby diapers where monthly service of 'cloth' units is 3x price of 'disposable' AND ~40% shittier. and i do mean shittier. but... environment !

03:35:40 assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 00:52:58; mircea_popescu: 1st it's all about "why will you use something you control instead of something we control ? it's cheaper! environment! racism!"

03:35:42 trinque: people ask me if I feed him enough. of fucking course I do; that's just a cat with muscle, not blubber

03:35:55 asciilifeform: they destroy vermin, and ornament the windows, trees. and, very rarely, will allow themselves to be petted.

03:36:45 trinque: yep

03:36:46 asciilifeform: trinque: when i moved to usa, i was initially puzzled why various animals were mis-shapen

03:36:59 asciilifeform: cat was fully 2-3x the size of 'cat' in my mind

03:37:02 trinque: because they're bought to be furniture

03:37:03 asciilifeform: ditto other creatures

03:37:04 trinque: dogs too

03:37:09 asciilifeform: i remember seeing a guinea pig

03:37:30 asciilifeform: my mother's lab had them, and my folks kept one as a pet for a spell, back home. it was small, ratlike animal

03:37:38 asciilifeform: in usa - almost lives up to its name, a pig.

03:37:46 asciilifeform: turned out, they feed'em corn.

03:37:56 asciilifeform: (or similar, processed feed) here.

03:39:22 asciilifeform: say what you like about the americans, but they are consistent in all things.

03:39:30 asciilifeform: the same thing is done to man and beast alike.

03:39:51 trinque: lol

03:39:54 trinque: corn for all gods creatures

03:40:07 trinque: remarkably similar result in each case

03:40:08 asciilifeform: even dog, somehow, is made to eat it.

03:40:15 trinque: that's sad

03:40:24 trinque: I feed animals meant to eat meat... MEAT!

03:40:42 asciilifeform: at least cat can run off and find, sometimes, his own meat

03:40:45 asciilifeform: dog is stuck.

03:40:46 ben_vulpes: trinque: is clearly not buying the nice frozen stuff.

03:41:04 trinque: I buy the primo shit from Meat on Burnside

03:41:10 ben_vulpes: nowai

03:41:13 trinque: yar

03:41:22 ben_vulpes: kg/wk?

03:46:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12253 @ 0.00069297 = 8.491 BTC [-]

03:50:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15395 @ 0.00069348 = 10.6761 BTC [+]

03:56:37 ben_vulpes: and lol can anyone actually drive to your place from the depot in less than two hours?

03:56:39 ben_vulpes: !up assbot

03:56:40 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the nearest spot that has this is the baltimore sector. ask diametric about it.

03:56:43 asciilifeform: iirc he used it.

03:56:55 pete_dushenski: "Amazon Prime Now - Skip the Trip. One-Hour Delivery."

03:56:57 asciilifeform: delivered milk, eggs even.

03:57:10 ben_vulpes: achtung logreaders!

03:57:26 ben_vulpes: the correct solution here is drive-by order pickup on arterials.

03:57:33 ben_vulpes: "shop all day, pick it up on your way home!"

03:57:43 asciilifeform: l0l that would be ideal here.

03:57:45 pete_dushenski: !chuy

03:57:51 pete_dushenski: !s chuy

03:57:51 assbot: 0 results for 'chuy' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=chuy

03:57:51 asciilifeform: but inescapably reminds me of the east asian piss-motorcycles

03:57:54 ben_vulpes: i know!

03:58:09 ben_vulpes: wait, piss-cycle?

03:58:14 asciilifeform: (piss-men drive between cars in, e.g, shanghai, with jars, will let you piss for a coin)

03:58:15 pete_dushenski: http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-33978116 << and i thought i was hairy-(ish)

03:58:17 assbot: The struggles of the world's hairiest family - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCByLB )

03:59:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26640 @ 0.00069348 = 18.4743 BTC [+]

04:00:58 ben_vulpes: http://qntra.net/2015/03/local-police-arming-robots/ << bb you're unsung comic gold i tell you

04:00:59 assbot: Local Police Arming Robots | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCBPOG )

04:01:27 *: asciilifeform idly wonders how many of these he had found

04:02:19 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1260068 <<< what did ya change?

04:02:19 assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 21:39:46; BingoBoingo: Played with qntra CSS a bit, still probably the most modern and compliant wordpress blawg on the interwebz https://archive.is/6kBqw https://archive.is/CKKJa

04:02:49 BingoBoingo: cazalla: removed some things that don't get used

04:03:20 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: unrelatedly, didja ever get v-stator to build ?

04:03:59 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i'm trying to get a sense of how much sense the thing made to folks

04:04:40 ben_vulpes: well i've not parsed v in its entirety into my head yet, and after bitcoin i'm loath to run software that doesn't fit in my head.

04:04:57 asciilifeform: bitcoin fit in your head ?!!

04:05:03 *: asciilifeform takes off hat

04:05:08 ben_vulpes: no no!

04:05:17 ben_vulpes: it's software that i must run that does not fit in my head!

04:05:35 ben_vulpes: idem gpg, client braindamage...

04:05:41 asciilifeform: anyway ben_vulpes is in luck, because i invented a marvellous pill for folks who had trouble fitting v in head

04:05:45 asciilifeform: ..

04:05:47 asciilifeform: rewrite it.

04:05:55 asciilifeform: yes.

04:05:55 ben_vulpes: haha

04:06:02 asciilifeform: in system of your choice.

04:06:12 asciilifeform: (befunge, if you like. qbasic. whatever.)

04:06:19 ben_vulpes: so why python and not cl, out of curiosity?

04:06:32 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: partly because there is no handy gpg callout lib for cl

04:06:39 pete_dushenski: bon soir!

04:06:46 ben_vulpes: hm.

04:06:51 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: partly because cl is a 'heavy' runtime and not fit for use as a 'run ten times a minute' shell script

04:07:01 asciilifeform: it is a reluctant immigrant to unix

04:07:13 asciilifeform: wants to own the machine.

04:07:17 asciilifeform: (as it should)

04:07:31 asciilifeform: 'python' on the other hand is more like a less-carcinogenic perl.

04:07:42 *: asciilifeform was originally writing whole thing in sed and awk.

04:08:03 *: asciilifeform has written his lifetime allotment of perl.

04:09:15 asciilifeform: anyway, the advice was meant quite seriously. rewrite it.

04:09:20 asciilifeform: it is very plain what the thing does.

04:09:31 asciilifeform: and ben_vulpes is quite likely to do a cleaner job of it than i

04:11:20 asciilifeform: bonus points if you can do it in some abomination abhorrent to men and gods, like applescript or the like

04:11:35 asciilifeform: (provided that it works precisely as the original)

04:11:52 asciilifeform: do it in... forth

04:12:01 asciilifeform: this can be a kind of pons asinorum for masochists.

04:22:55 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> now, old dog hands inform me that the absolutely irresistible treat, to dog, is cat shit. << Any kind of shit really.

04:24:31 BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> http://qntra.net/2015/03/local-police-arming-robots/ << bb you're unsung comic gold i tell you << ty

04:24:31 assbot: Local Police Arming Robots | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCBPOG )

04:29:45 BingoBoingo: * asciilifeform takes off hat << To inspect in head?

04:42:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37250 @ 0.00070305 = 26.1886 BTC [+] {4}

04:43:24 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: more lines is all you can be guaranteed of.

04:44:46 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: would you elaborate on "own the machine" and a) why it should and b) how python does not?

04:50:33 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259663 << this sounds eerily familiar

04:50:33 assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 12:17:28; assbot: 15-Year-Old 'Bitcoin Kid' Wants to Make Ethereum Easier ... ( http://bit.ly/1NN7Rvn )

04:52:57 ag3nt_zer0: good evening...

04:53:19 ben_vulpes: buenos noches

04:58:31 ben_vulpes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B39cenrIQW0 << there's this mine in romania...

04:58:32 assbot: Kuwait event plays Borat parody as Kazakhstan national anthem - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1NacJL2 )

04:58:44 thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: eerily familiar too?

04:58:49 thestringpuller: to*

04:59:11 ben_vulpes: some other 15 year old bitcoin wizard however long ago

04:59:13 trinque: ben_vulpes: "doesn't own the machine" sounds to me like "/etc/hosts isn't a python data structure"

04:59:59 ben_vulpes: how is /etc/hosts a cl data structure?

05:01:57 trinque: presumably on a lisp machine it would be some data structure in some system

05:02:13 phf: eh, no

05:02:32 phf: common lisp specification is written in a such a way that you don't need to know anything about the outside world to fully replicate a ~useful~ computation

05:02:33 trinque: *lisp OS, I meant

05:02:46 trinque: phf: and if that useful computation is DNS?

05:03:04 trinque: I was addressing "own the machine" not CL

05:03:16 phf: trinque: yeah, i'm also talking about owning the machine

05:03:58 trinque: so answer the question. where would a lookup table like /etc/hosts go if the system were completely made of lisp?

05:04:25 trinque: I'm feeling around in the dark, would love to know

05:04:32 phf: trinque: that's not a particularly interesting question

05:04:46 phf: but there's a pathname spec that lets your implementation answer that question for you

05:05:19 *: trinque rolls his eyes

05:05:21 ben_vulpes: > pathname spec

05:05:24 ben_vulpes: > dns resolutino

05:05:41 trinque: apparently in pure lispland you'd never once DNS

05:05:46 trinque: mkay

05:05:55 ben_vulpes: cl is such a delightfully crazy mindset

05:05:56 ben_vulpes: nono

05:06:03 ben_vulpes: the impl handls the dns parts of pathnames

05:06:06 phf: why you write your dns of course in lisp

05:06:09 ben_vulpes: it's just a file on a server somewhere mang

05:06:37 trinque: both missing the point. I am asking stylistically where something like an /etc/hosts would live

05:06:42 trinque: not where the actual fucking thing lives today

05:07:02 ben_vulpes: setq an alist that shit you care about uses to look things up?

05:07:07 *: ben_vulpes is not a lisper

05:07:08 trinque: yeah, that's what I said

05:07:36 ben_vulpes: phf: one day i'll find an interesting question, i swear

05:07:39 trinque: like for example in unixland you say "you make a file" for every question

05:08:15 phf: ben_vulpes: alright, that was an unfair comment, but i was trying to say that the focus is wrong.

05:08:30 trinque: presumably various aspects of actual hardware state would also be represented as data structures in lisp

05:08:46 ben_vulpes: trinque: imagine nic internals as clos objects

05:08:53 trinque: whereas you find that in /sys or /dev on linux

05:09:07 ben_vulpes: *nic*

05:09:08 trinque: or via some call

05:09:12 trinque: ben_vulpes: yeah that'd be hot

05:09:33 *: trinque still wants his purely functional firewall thinger

05:09:36 ben_vulpes: what's the difference between "everything is a file" and "global variables" anyways

05:09:54 trinque: not much I guess

05:09:59 trinque: filesystem is a big farty key-value store

05:10:09 ben_vulpes: and WE HATE KV STORES

05:10:21 phf: you have to have some set of global variables, even if it's only a state on the first execution of (main)

05:10:45 trinque: yeah hosts was my pick because it's easy to see it being interesting globally

05:11:12 phf: trinque: hosts file would most likely be still implemented as a filesystem file

05:11:21 trinque: b-but, why

05:11:30 trinque: where's the fundamentalism in that

05:12:04 phf: your filesystem is implemented in lisp?

05:12:40 trinque: maybe the filesystem is just a giant swapfile

05:12:41 phf: but your file manipulation dictionary is speced out to be a somewhat conventional tree like file/directory thing

05:13:43 cazalla: mircea_popescu, check it out, aussie artist making a mockery of your countrymen :P http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-03/dancing-with-costica-brisbane-artist-creates-buzz/6746014

05:13:43 assbot: Dancing with Costica: Brisbane artist creates buzz with digitally-colourised glass plate photos - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) ... ( http://bit.ly/1NZrPSL )

05:15:42 phf: trinque: anyway, the original distinction was not about hosts not being a python datastructure, it's the fact that you can't separate python semantics from the underlying os, which is unix/posix/x86/ieee combined in various forms

05:17:07 trinque: ah I see; we were talking completely at crossways then

05:17:17 phf: there's cpython which behaves ~mostly~ consistently across the system, but its behavior is part convention/part emergent details of C code and to a very significant part the details of the underlying unix

05:17:19 phf: yes :)

05:17:21 trinque: right, python is very much involved with unixisms

05:17:45 ben_vulpes: trinque: examples of unixisms deeply rooted in python?

05:17:56 ben_vulpes: ("how's the water today, boys?" "water?!")

05:18:41 trinque: ah well maybe more broadly than that; it's gonna be a system you can run c stuff, open files, do socket io, etc

05:18:52 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1260077 << this has not escaped my notice and has blown my tiny mind

05:18:52 assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 21:45:32; ascii_field: which was astonishing, because debug.log ~does~ mention it (as linked earlier) - though it is not correlated temporally with your node's disconnects as seen on my end

05:19:55 trinque: https://docs.python.org/2/library/socket.html << like this guy's just unix socket programming like you'd do in C

05:19:56 assbot: 17.2. socket — Low-level networking interface — Python 2.7.10 documentation ... ( http://bit.ly/1NZstQ7 )

05:20:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15728 @ 0.00069815 = 10.9805 BTC [-]

05:20:08 trinque: wraps the thing rather closely

05:20:33 phf: ben_vulpes: i'm not sure why that would be a controversial point. how does something like trig functions work in python? they don't, they are a call out to system level math library

05:21:25 trinque: psycopg for db, yep, very common for python to just tape various C libraries together

05:21:27 phf: same goes for sockets and file streams

05:21:58 *: ben_vulpes makes various gestures of distress

05:23:38 phf: i write way more python then lisp, there i said it

05:24:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6750 @ 0.000703 = 4.7453 BTC [+]

05:25:24 trinque: don't we all :(

05:25:37 ben_vulpes: not davout

05:26:03 trinque: so ask me what holds the screen onto this X1 CARBON

05:26:06 trinque: go ahead

05:26:10 ben_vulpes: and not, to hit the other end of the spectrum, gabriel_laddel

05:26:17 ben_vulpes: trinque: cat hair?

05:26:20 trinque: fucking plastic

05:26:22 trinque: just broke

05:26:29 ben_vulpes: hahahaha

05:26:37 ben_vulpes: this 'macbook' is zamac.

05:27:08 trinque: carbon fiber they said

05:27:24 trinque: shit gum and duct tape

05:27:27 ben_vulpes: i ripped a part of the nominal 'metal' out of a compressed air nailgun two weekends back

05:27:35 mats: https://d396qusza40orc.cloudfront.net/internetgiants/GatesTidalWave.pdf

05:27:37 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1NZtmrV )

05:27:54 ben_vulpes: straight up fractured and popped out. not even deformation: catastrophic fracture propagation.

05:27:58 ben_vulpes: trinque: no fibers even?

05:28:22 trinque: this is where the hinge attaches to the screen

05:28:25 trinque: all plastic

05:28:37 trinque: nice strong metal hinge; that part's still doing great

05:28:37 ben_vulpes: frame probably has a few strands of cf

05:28:55 ben_vulpes: for show

05:30:58 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1260178 << the mythical software company pulls in vastly more revenue than it takes to tame the complexity of producing the revenue.

05:30:58 assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 22:18:22; mircea_popescu: the obviousness of all this is inescapable if one actually has at the same time the intellectual werewithal to regard the matter and the emotional disinterest of not giving a shit about the whole lot of it.

05:31:11 phf: i thought consensus here was that real computers only come in atx tower cases

05:31:23 ben_vulpes: by virtue of writing the crud once and driving oodles of business through it.

05:33:49 ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1260219 << this sounds crazy, de veras?

05:33:49 assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 22:47:11; pete_dushenski: only learning through trial and error

05:33:49 gribble: The operation succeeded.

05:36:26 trinque: phf: yeah, this is mostly a mobile terminal

05:36:30 trinque: and a piece of shit one at that

05:36:37 trinque: I'll never purchase another Lenovo product

05:37:50 phf: my colleague has been telling me that x1 carbon is the best laptop. in fact he's been trashing my mbp over it

05:39:00 trinque: maybe he treats his better

05:39:08 phf: he doesn't understand. i recently switched keyboards on this laptop, now that is not an operation for people with shaky hands. requires complete removal of guts and then removing ~~200 screws that attach the keyboard to the frame.

05:39:11 trinque: I had a 2007 black macbook that lasted 7-8 years

05:39:23 phf: "this is my laptop. there are many like it"

05:40:46 ben_vulpes: i dont know why anyone would treat an apple product as anything but a disposable terminal

05:41:00 ben_vulpes: nice terms tho

05:41:07 trinque: I doused elderbook (as it came to be called) with beer, coffee, god knows what else

05:41:12 trinque: dropped down stairs twice

05:41:19 trinque: carpeted, luckily

05:41:24 trinque: but that thing was a tank

05:41:34 trinque: felt the same way about a pentium 3 thinkpad I had

05:42:22 phf: ben_vulpes: i'm having a hard time finding a better laptop including later mbp models, which have gone downhill even more

05:42:44 trinque: I don't get the sense that Tim Cook would beat someone with one if he didn't approve of it

05:43:02 mats: 2012 mbp is last good mbp

05:43:15 trinque: the "retina" was a piece of shit

05:43:18 trinque: had that, smashed it

05:43:24 ben_vulpes: great displays though

05:43:35 trinque: I am a barbarian, can't be trusted with delicate things

05:43:35 ben_vulpes: things are cookies these days, granted.

05:43:46 ben_vulpes: $bizpartner got the new delicate thing

05:43:54 phf: i think i have the last matte mbp screen, which is another thing

05:44:05 ben_vulpes: matte!

05:44:07 *: ben_vulpes swoons

05:44:40 ben_vulpes: i have an mbp, 15", only took it out to play eulora once and a while because i got ubuntu on it waaay ways ago

05:44:45 ben_vulpes: still way fast

05:45:31 ben_vulpes: has giant haring stickers on it

05:45:53 mats: i had some play time with a 'surface pro 3' and it was p good

05:46:00 phf: no hackathon stickers? ;)

05:46:06 ben_vulpes: what the fuck is wrong with you mats

05:46:16 mats: would own if it was $500 new

05:46:24 ben_vulpes: five

05:46:30 ben_vulpes: tool

05:46:31 ben_vulpes: i

05:46:51 mats: you hate me

05:47:01 trinque: ben_vulpes: gentleman we know has the right idea; just stack up old thinkpads

05:47:14 trinque: go for quantity; stops working, pitch it out the window

05:47:19 phf: a github sticker, a "vegan" sticker, a random hackathon sticker, an "anarchist" sticker and your startup's logo

05:47:33 trinque: the startup logo corner tends to stack up

05:48:10 trinque: mats: what does the keyboard feel like?

05:48:47 trinque: and when do we get actual products again?

05:48:49 trinque: 2070?

05:49:43 mats: its decently responsive and I like the action

05:50:05 mats: not good on the lap

05:50:34 BingoBoingo: <trinque> I'll never purchase another Lenovo product << try the X1?0e education series. Cheap AMD options available and honest tough plastic for those damned kids.

05:51:19 trinque: maybe so

05:51:25 trinque: http://lifehacker.com/5524704/laptop-reliability-study-highlights-the-most-sturdy-laptop-makers << this is fucking pathetic

05:51:26 assbot: Laptop-Reliability Study Highlights the Most Sturdy Laptop Makers ... ( http://bit.ly/1NZvDmT )

05:52:14 phf: i got a refurbished x61, it arrived with a broken fan, literally boots into "fan error" message

05:55:04 phf: BingoBoingo: does it run openbsd fine?

05:55:16 mats: I have a hard time justifying dropping ~1450 on a 13in MBA with 8gb or I would be on the aapl train

05:55:41 trinque: apple's a scam these days too

05:55:52 mats: not everyone can be ben_moneybags with the dedicated eulora mbp

05:59:03 phf: (and what i mean by fine is video card, wifi and suspend to ram)

05:59:21 BingoBoingo: phf: My 120e does with a different wifi card

06:00:49 BingoBoingo: phf: Also I end up having to replace the fan annually, but probably because I take it out to smoke cigarettes with me.

06:01:37 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260443 <<< http://i.imgur.com/q9inT6v.jpg

06:01:37 assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 00:51:01; mod6: mircea_popescu can scarcely believe all the ustards have to talk about is whether men sit like this or like that << ikr! i heard some lawyer say to another lawyer on the train, "mind your man spread bro".

06:01:38 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1hBs61m )

06:06:18 trinque: that internalization of feminist bullshit is disgusting

06:06:27 *: trinque waits for the portland morality police to cart him off

06:06:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30650 @ 0.00070331 = 21.5565 BTC [+] {3}

06:29:11 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "concerns... oughta concern"

06:30:42 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Where?

06:31:01 mircea_popescu: latest article

06:31:06 mircea_popescu: on qntra. last para.

06:31:13 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261074 << the night is female i'll have you know.

06:31:13 assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 04:53:19; ben_vulpes: buenos noches

06:33:26 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261120 << this is actually a good point huh.

06:33:26 assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 05:09:59; trinque: filesystem is a big farty key-value store

06:33:41 mircea_popescu: there's no "directories" in any other sense than key prefixes.

06:34:21 trinque: yup, that's how I look at it

06:34:25 mircea_popescu: cazalla http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/6746126-3x2-700x467.jpg << compare the original with the "colorized". what all has changed ? yes, derpy "color". what else ?

06:34:26 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1NbQbJN )

06:34:42 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Sentence was a mess, should be fixed, also not the latest article

06:34:42 mircea_popescu: how has the adult looking 15 yo girl in the original turned into a retarded looking adult in the "upgrade " ?

06:35:17 mircea_popescu: Lalomita County Museum << it's Ialomita ftr.

06:35:47 BingoBoingo: Colorizarion always renders the serious derpy because people can't compose color the right way

06:35:56 mircea_popescu: http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/6746094-3x2-700x467.jpg << check it out it's a fucking trend. how come the intelligent looking boy turned into ... whatever that is

06:35:57 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1NbQggq )

06:36:02 mircea_popescu: this is fucking sad.

06:36:21 cazalla: mircea_popescu, she is an artist, and they're having an exhibition, and that's that!

06:36:40 mircea_popescu: she's a tub of margerine,

06:36:43 mircea_popescu: is what she is.

06:37:11 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/jesus-fixed.jpg

06:37:12 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1NbQft0 )

06:39:06 cazalla: "Ms Long said the feedback from the Romanian community had been overwhelming."

06:39:19 cazalla: "If anyone had the right to be offended it would be the Romanian community and yet, it's the opposite"

06:39:47 cazalla: i thought the man playing the fiddle was the most cringe worthy of them all fwiw

06:40:28 mircea_popescu: im not fucking offended. i just think she's stupid.

06:40:30 mircea_popescu: there's a difference.

06:41:04 mircea_popescu: or wait, did little miss margerine tub think photochopping is somehow controversial and ima hate a pelican ?

06:44:59 thestringpuller: http://m.phys.org/news/2009-09-carrier-pigeon-faster-broadband-internet.html#jCp << fluffypony is your internet this bad?

06:54:25 BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats

06:54:29 gribble: Current Blocks: 372789 | Current Difficulty: 5.425663032788996E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 372959 | Next Difficulty In: 170 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 3 hours, 34 minutes, and 3 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None

06:55:04 fluffypony: lol thestringpuller

06:55:05 fluffypony: our Internet is reasonably good, it's just expensive

06:55:34 fluffypony: I have wireless to a fibre base station on a highsite, so latency is pretty low, 10mbps down / 1.5mbps up

06:55:40 fluffypony: and that costs ~$112 a month

07:02:09 BingoBoingo: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/423437/kermit-the-frog-new-girlfriend-denise-thin-miss-piggy

07:02:10 assbot: Kermit's New 'Girlfriend' Denise Is Thin, Feminists Outraged | National Review Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1NbRlF5 )

07:03:37 BingoBoingo: https://slimgur.com/images/2015/09/03/10f56ed378c096c97d61a96902ab5619.jpg

07:03:38 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1NbRng9 )

07:06:40 *: mircea_popescu has just learned that one can't in point of fact get a phone plan in the us that doesn't charge FOR INCOMING CALLS

07:06:55 mircea_popescu: leaving aside all the "need id to buy phone card" nonsense, this is just too out there. wtf

07:09:47 cazalla: you can buy them ready activated on gumtree (craigslist) with cash anyway if need be

07:11:40 mircea_popescu: they'll still charge for incoming

07:13:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27978 @ 0.00070313 = 19.6722 BTC [-]

07:20:05 fluffypony: when I was there in November I got a prepaid SIM from T-Mobile for $80 for a month

07:20:13 fluffypony: and that was unlimited everything (calls / SMS / data)

07:20:55 mircea_popescu: ima have it lookt into thx

07:22:00 fluffypony: http://www.t-mobile.com/cell-phone-plans/individual.html#

07:22:02 assbot: Cell Phone Plans | Cheap Cell Phone Plans & Unlimited Data | T-Mobile ... ( http://bit.ly/1NbSkVZ )

07:22:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40191 @ 0.00069878 = 28.0847 BTC [-] {3}

07:22:43 fluffypony: what's actually quite nice is that it also has unlimited SMS and unlimited data when roaming in 120 countries, BUT the roaming data speed is capped at 128kbps

07:22:50 fluffypony: still good enough for email and messaging

07:30:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53750 @ 0.00070408 = 37.8443 BTC [+] {3}

07:31:15 punkman: so much logz

07:37:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35300 @ 0.00069607 = 24.5713 BTC [-] {4}

07:37:37 punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260537 I've bought unpasteurized a few times but I just boil it at home

07:37:37 assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 01:14:22; *: trinque had unpasteurized milk recently; there's a good farm for it nearby

07:38:58 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260973 <<< how are the nappy changing skills coming along?

07:38:58 assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 03:35:40; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260451 << i recently waded into the bizarro world of baby diapers where monthly service of 'cloth' units is 3x price of 'disposable' AND ~40% shittier. and i do mean shittier. but... environment !

07:40:53 mircea_popescu: disposable, for the record, is in no way bad for the environment. it consists of mixing celulose pulp with human excrement and burrying it. this is a much better use than mixing cellulose pulp with pigments and then storing it on shelves.

07:44:42 cazalla: i don't think good or bad for environment ever crossed my mind.. cannot buy cloth anywhere and tbh i don't fancy scraping the shit from them and couldn't sell the idea to missus

07:45:23 cazalla: "but your mother did it this way, my mother did it this way, you should too!"

07:46:47 mircea_popescu: not too hard to make your own disposable cloth diapers anyway. just buy some cheap metrage and cut it up.

07:49:16 deedbot-: [fraudsters] BitBet (S.BBET) August 2015 Statement - http://fraudsters.com/2015/bitbet-sbbet-august-2015-statement/

08:08:48 punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260944 << I have one that tunnels, I plug the hole (last time with concrete), he tunnels out again. Nobody has ever seen this rat and it's been years.

08:08:48 assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 03:27:07; asciilifeform: we have two basic species of rat here, one that climbs, and one that tunnels

08:10:29 mircea_popescu: punkman : get a plumber's snake, a rag and gasoline. affix the rag to the bit, soak it, light it and shove it in as far as you can reach

08:10:33 mircea_popescu: it rarely kills it but they move.

08:11:29 fluffypony: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHynGQ9Vg30

08:11:30 assbot: Whites Only? - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ECYY4E )

08:11:36 punkman: I have flooded it with water a few times

08:11:43 mircea_popescu: that doesn't do anything

08:11:46 mircea_popescu: natural phenomena

08:12:42 mircea_popescu: fluffypony lmao, his hand doesn't properly reflect!

08:12:54 fluffypony: heh heh

08:13:36 punkman: hah

08:13:51 mircea_popescu: in other news, i was today in an elevator which insistently stated that max weight = 150kg

08:14:01 mircea_popescu: one of those old style things you see in 1950s french movies.

08:14:31 mircea_popescu: i imagine the grief of couples in that building you know, they move in as 20somethings, can take it together

08:14:34 mircea_popescu: then one year comes

08:14:43 mircea_popescu: one sad, sad year, when the elevator won't start anymore

08:14:48 mircea_popescu: "oh, it's the shopping bags".

08:14:52 mircea_popescu: and for a while it is

08:14:53 mircea_popescu: but then...

08:20:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.0006967 = 13.5857 BTC [+]

08:20:14 punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261041 << I'm gonna name my rewrite "vit"

08:20:14 assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 04:05:47; asciilifeform: rewrite it.

08:20:29 cazalla: wouldn't the sign just go ignored?

08:39:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97450 @ 0.00070662 = 68.8601 BTC [+] {5}

08:40:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26950 @ 0.00070917 = 19.1121 BTC [+] {2}

08:51:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68200 @ 0.00070918 = 48.3661 BTC [+]

08:54:27 mircea_popescu: cazalla not like it starts overweight

08:54:53 mircea_popescu: you can ignore it all you want, it'll ignore you right back

08:55:18 mircea_popescu: and with that, tada!

09:06:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11019 @ 0.00070918 = 7.8145 BTC [+]

09:07:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19978 @ 0.00070948 = 14.174 BTC [+] {3}

09:11:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34402 @ 0.00071021 = 24.4326 BTC [+] {2}

09:29:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33000 @ 0.00070962 = 23.4175 BTC [-]

09:36:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75250 @ 0.00071134 = 53.5283 BTC [+] {5}

09:45:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7450 @ 0.00070862 = 5.2792 BTC [-] {3}

09:46:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50372 @ 0.00071511 = 36.0215 BTC [+] {4}

09:52:47 punkman: http://www.cockroachlabs.com/about/

09:52:48 assbot: About | Cockroach Labs ... ( http://bit.ly/1LMZkVP )

09:54:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44450 @ 0.00070746 = 31.4466 BTC [-] {3}

10:13:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29392 @ 0.00070565 = 20.7405 BTC [-] {4}

10:14:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 122908 @ 0.00069224 = 85.0818 BTC [-] {5}

10:18:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32252 @ 0.0006876 = 22.1765 BTC [-]

10:47:12 shinohai: Why do I feel like Forbes is trolling me? http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/09/02/windows-10-updates-u-turn/

10:47:13 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1EBD29U )

10:48:01 cazalla: fuck yeah straya http://www.canberratimes.com.au/business/comment-and-analysis/economic-growth-close-to-zero-as-living-standards-slip-20150902-gjdi0t.html "Had it not been for a surprise 41 per cent jump in government spending on defence equipment in the quarter, economic growth would have been zero."

10:48:05 assbot: Economic growth close to zero as living standards slip ... ( http://bit.ly/1EBD8OS )

10:50:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20600 @ 0.00069976 = 14.4151 BTC [+]

10:58:56 pete_dushenski: "Electricity generated by US wind farms fell 6 per cent in the first half of the year even as the nation expanded wind generation capacity by 9 per cent, Energy Information Administration records show."

10:59:18 pete_dushenski: "The reason was some of the softest air currents in 40 years, cutting power sales from wind farms to utilities"

10:59:28 pete_dushenski: "“We never anticipated a drop-off in the wind resource as we have witnessed over the past six months,” David Crane, chief executive of power producer NRG Energy, told analysts last month"

10:59:38 pete_dushenski: lulz

11:00:44 pete_dushenski: "we never anticipated that moore's law would've broken down in 2008 or that obama would be every bit as much of a monkey/terrorist as bush mk ii"

11:00:54 pete_dushenski: etfc.

11:02:53 pete_dushenski: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3218027/Place-order-iPad-pick-giant-vending-machine-fully-automated-restaurant-opens-San-Francisco-sells-superfood-Quinoa.html << take that, $15 min wageists

11:02:54 assbot: First fully automated restaurant opens in San Francisco but it only sells Quinoa | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1FkTfLu )

11:04:53 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261178 << if my family friend, a mechanic at the local audi dealership, is to be believed, then yes. a quick web search didn't reveal any evidence to the contrary either. so let's chalk up vw's bravado in the 'crazy but true' category

11:04:53 assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 05:33:49; ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1260219 << this sounds crazy, de veras?

11:06:08 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261305 << figuring out rotor, hell even pgp, was markedly more challenging. i'd put 'nappy

11:06:08 assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 07:38:58; cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260973 <<< how are the nappy changing skills coming along?

11:08:09 pete_dushenski: *i'd put 'nappy changing' up there with building basic lego designs in terms of difficulty

11:11:10 cazalla: yes, but keep in mind changing the nappy of a stationary child is ezmode

11:12:21 cazalla: gotta play through easy then normal before hard more with the mobile toddler who doesn't fancy doing what you want

11:12:27 cazalla: hardmode even

11:13:47 pete_dushenski: fair nuff

11:18:21 pete_dushenski: "At least a few intrepid i3 REx owners have enthusiastically taken to coding their cars. A partial list of functions that can be added or modified with those updates includes: Allowing fuel tank to accept full capacity of 2.4 gallons, Adding suppressed European "hold battery charge" function, Enabling suppressed AM radio, Suppressing U.S.-mandated seat-belt warning tone, Permitting video to be run from USB stora

11:18:21 pete_dushenski: ge device, Changing startup image (one owner found "a cool Alpina" emblem hidden in the car's software)"

11:18:48 pete_dushenski: "The software that enables these functions is already present in U.S.-market BMW i3 vehicles. But it's suppressed in many cases, due to National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) or California Air Resources Board (CARB) regulations--or BMW North America's perception of consumer preferences."

11:19:08 pete_dushenski: hakkerz !

11:20:30 shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261378 < My favorite embedded hack: >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ST_BASIC_-_J.R._Bob_Dobbs.gif

11:20:30 assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 11:18:21; pete_dushenski: ge device, Changing startup image (one owner found "a cool Alpina" emblem hidden in the car's software)"

11:20:31 assbot: File:ST BASIC - J.R. Bob Dobbs.gif - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1FkUZVc )

11:20:43 pete_dushenski: ftr bmw i3 'rex' differs from regular i3 in its use of a 'range extender', not unlike that on the chevy volt

11:21:53 pete_dushenski: shinohai: hehe neat.

11:22:11 punkman: pete_dushenski: relevant http://www.prweb.com/releases/Total-Car-Diagnostics/improve-car-performance/prweb12825259.htm

11:22:12 assbot: New Car Software Saves Users Thousands In Car Repairs by Hacking Cars to Run Better and Faster ... ( http://bit.ly/1FkV9fg )

11:23:10 pete_dushenski: punkman: not a bad idea to have your own obd-ii reader

11:24:09 punkman: the tuning part is scary, I wonder if anyone has managed to explode his car

11:25:54 shinohai: You guys remember those accel units from the 90's that let you do all that to your EFI ?

11:26:53 shinohai: http://www.jegs.com/p/DFI/Accel-DFI-Thruster-EFI-Engine-Management-System/981841/10002/-1

11:26:54 assbot: Accel-DFI Thruster EFI Engine Management System | ... ( http://bit.ly/1JP996v )

11:27:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31400 @ 0.00071555 = 22.4683 BTC [+] {2}

11:29:27 punkman: http://www.nytimes.com/learning/students/pop/20030110snapfriday.html

11:29:28 assbot: Gentlemen, Start Hacking Your Engines ... ( http://bit.ly/1JP9Mge )

11:29:36 punkman: (2003)

11:31:21 shinohai: heh thanx for that punkman.

11:31:56 punkman: there are probably people doing this since the first car with microelectronics appeared

11:32:50 pete_dushenski: and well before that.

11:32:58 pete_dushenski: see 'rum runners special'

11:33:03 shinohai: ;)

11:33:15 punkman: well you can't have software hacking when the car has no software

11:33:38 pete_dushenski: you dun need software to 'hack'

11:35:05 shinohai: My "hacks" were mostly to wiring and such. My mother, in her nasally Jewish voice, always swore I was going to "burn myself alive in my car"

11:35:56 pete_dushenski: modded cars used to transport liquor under the cover of darkness in the 1920s were the basis for stock car racing, which eventually led to 'nascar'

11:36:41 shinohai: Sad to see that such a noble sport declined into nascar.

11:39:55 pete_dushenski: i can't say i've ever been much for nascar, but enough of the tradition seems to have carried on, despite the distillation of the source into a platonic game

11:40:51 pete_dushenski: it's still blue-collar yahoos trying to out-gun one another at >200 kph

11:40:54 shinohai: I despise nascar. I live in the heart of it.

11:41:43 pete_dushenski: s/200/300 (!)

11:41:52 pete_dushenski: shinohai: what don't you like about it ?

11:42:24 shinohai: It just bores me. I can't watch cars go in circle 2-3 hours.

11:42:32 shinohai: Now I like road races.

11:43:02 shinohai: I am more of a WRC tye.

11:43:12 shinohai: *type

11:44:33 pete_dushenski: see wrc cars themselves are epic machines, but the races neither work on tv or live

11:44:46 pete_dushenski: whereas f1 only really works on tv and nascar only works live

11:45:23 pete_dushenski: also add 'le mans' to only tv category

11:45:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67750 @ 0.00071249 = 48.2712 BTC [-] {2}

11:55:15 shinohai: I like LeMans ok

12:02:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29750 @ 0.00071561 = 21.2894 BTC [+]

12:11:41 shinohai: LOOOOOOL I missed this one: https://redd.it/3jgfd7

12:11:43 assbot: I'm too stupid for bitcoin : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1JPhWVK )

12:12:05 shinohai: Sorry, wrong link: https://redd.it/3jf9xy

12:12:08 assbot: SECURITY ALERT: Bug in Go clients causing increase in difficulty. Mandatory update for miners asap; transacting users & exchanges unaffected : ethereum ... ( http://bit.ly/1JPi2N9 )

12:18:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45700 @ 0.00071161 = 32.5206 BTC [-] {2}

12:44:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25430 @ 0.00071183 = 18.1018 BTC [+] {2}

13:28:41 jurov: pete_dushenski mats $genericreassurance $coinbrcomingbacksoon $sorryforinconvenience

13:30:00 jurov: but really, my brain had meltdown trying to reconstruct what went down on mpex order book in that time :(

13:38:18 pete_dushenski: jurov: hm. well, thanks for the update. mighta cost us a few shekels but nothing life changing. life goes on.

13:41:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61879 @ 0.00070488 = 43.6173 BTC [-] {3}

13:41:23 *: shinohai needs to make time to investigate jurov 's site when it is back up.

13:42:35 pete_dushenski: shinohai: coinbr is well designed

13:45:28 jurov: but mpex order/trade matching is hairy, errors are likely to snowball

13:46:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19150 @ 0.00070396 = 13.4808 BTC [-]

13:46:55 pete_dushenski: i should clarify that 'well designed' means 'attractively designed' in this instance. i nfi about the hairball backend.

13:47:38 jurov: now you mean what? the mermaid?

13:48:06 pete_dushenski: sure, she's kinda cute ;/

13:48:26 pete_dushenski: more 'dashboard' and 'new order' interfaces

13:49:09 pete_dushenski: i admit i'm not much for the coinbr graphs

13:58:15 shinohai: tbh I would need a ton of research to know where to begin.

14:07:11 thestringpuller: jurov: how goes the coinbr maintanence?

14:08:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32750 @ 0.00070396 = 23.0547 BTC [-]

14:10:06 jurov: thestringpuller: it goes like rm -rf /, set on fire, salt the earth

14:10:14 thestringpuller: :(

14:10:18 thestringpuller: that bad huh?

14:10:30 jurov: jk.. see log

14:13:03 thestringpuller: lol your blog has funny mpex stories

14:21:52 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261287 << i thought mircea_popescu wouldn't be caught dead using a phone, much less calling usa...

14:21:52 assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 07:06:40; *: mircea_popescu has just learned that one can't in point of fact get a phone plan in the us that doesn't charge FOR INCOMING CALLS

14:22:27 pete_dushenski: iirc he had samsung flip fone

14:23:00 asciilifeform: i think it was hanbot, who had it

14:23:32 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-09-2014#830737

14:23:32 assbot: Logged on 16-09-2014 13:47:32; mircea_popescu: to me too. and i got a 100 pesos samsung dumbphone. it's light, i couldn't care less if someone steals it.

14:23:52 asciilifeform: hm.

14:23:57 asciilifeform: guess he does have one somewhere.

14:25:01 asciilifeform: where, exactly, can you get phone that doesn't charge for incoming ?

14:25:31 punkman: in europe

14:25:52 asciilifeform: my phone charges fifty cents for ~incoming sms~ even.

14:25:53 asciilifeform: each.

14:26:06 davout: nutjobberry

14:26:12 punkman: I haven't been to any eu countries that charge for incoming calls/sms

14:26:17 punkman: maybe if you are roaming

14:26:25 davout: punkman: yeah, only if roaming

14:26:41 punkman: but no reason to roam when you can buy another sim at the airport when you land

14:26:59 asciilifeform: if phone even takes sims

14:27:05 asciilifeform: many american ones do not.

14:27:12 davout: punkman: then you have the problems that go with a new number

14:29:28 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261276 << the proverbial 'boeing full of tapes' is faster than ~anybody~'s pipe. when people pay for 'high-speed net', they are usually paying for ~low latency~ rather than high bandwidth.

14:29:28 assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 06:44:59; thestringpuller: http://m.phys.org/news/2009-09-carrier-pigeon-faster-broadband-internet.html#jCp << fluffypony is your internet this bad?

14:34:37 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: i'd rather have bigger pipes to flush my shit down rather than the shit move away from my house faster.

14:38:10 shinohai: https://media.defcon.org/DEF%20CON%2023/DEF%20CON%2023%20presentations/Lin%20Huang%20&%20Qing%20Yang/DEFCON-23-Lin-Huang-Qing-Yang-GPS-Spoofing.pdf

14:38:45 shinohai: Sorry it is a stoopid slideshow

14:43:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41666 @ 0.00070535 = 29.3891 BTC [+]

14:44:55 davout: thestringpuller: bigger pipers == more throughput for smell to come back up

14:45:33 asciilifeform: ^ this was actually a concern before the water lock was invented

14:45:38 asciilifeform: (the bend in your sink, toilet)

14:50:33 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: I thought that bend was for when wife loses engagement ring while doing dishes...

14:57:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31087 @ 0.00070395 = 21.8837 BTC [-] {2}

14:57:43 *: jurov somehow imagined boeings full of shit

14:58:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108663 @ 0.00070238 = 76.3227 BTC [-] {5}

15:00:11 jurov: aka septic planes :)

15:05:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30892 @ 0.00069965 = 21.6136 BTC [-] {3}

15:15:36 pete_dushenski: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/03/us-ww2-anniversary-china-xi-idUSKCN0R305P20150903

15:15:37 assbot: China holds massive military parade, to cut troop levels by 300,000 | Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBjpvB )

15:15:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14087 @ 0.00069965 = 9.856 BTC [-]

15:16:32 pete_dushenski: http://s3.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20150903&t=2&i=1076560305&w=&fh=&fw=&ll=644&pl=429&sq=&r=LYNXNPEB82067 << 'helicopeters in shape of '70

15:16:33 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBjyPo )

15:18:16 pete_dushenski: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CN8oAPPUYAAaNxP.jpg << pointy tanks

15:18:16 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBjOxZ )

15:18:54 pete_dushenski: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CN8cpwSUEAA4fc2.jpg << drones

15:18:55 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBjTle )

15:19:32 pete_dushenski: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CN8aIGxUcAA5Biu.jpg << putin hopping into 'hongqi'

15:19:33 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBjY8C )

15:20:48 pete_dushenski: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CN8qzb2UcAAL7xP.jpg << that's a lotta dongfengs

15:20:49 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBkbIM )

15:22:58 trinque: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=20-08-2015#1244821 <--> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/11841024/China-shows-off-missile-able-to-destroy-aircraft-carriers-at-massive-WW2-parade.html

15:22:58 assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 01:13:47; mircea_popescu: trinque> china for example builds its *first* aircraft carrier, and people talk about the chinese being a military threat <<< you don't understand how this works. the aircraft carrier is irrelevant. china bet on the winning strat (missile defense) and bet a lot more than the us can afford, and as a result now has unchallangeable area denial ability throughout the shores. this means it can pursue its

15:22:59 assbot: China shows off missile 'able to destroy aircraft carriers' at massive WW2 parade - Telegraph ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBkvaw )

15:32:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32600 @ 0.00069718 = 22.7281 BTC [-] {3}

15:33:15 pete_dushenski: bbiab

15:34:33 davout: let's poke reddit a bit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3jhwi3/i_support_bip000/

15:34:35 assbot: I support BIP000 : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1XkQrJv )

15:36:33 thestringpuller: davout: people are downvoting that to hell.

15:36:53 thestringpuller: i should just create 500 reddit-bot accounts to upvote our shit

15:36:56 davout: went from +6 to +2

15:37:23 thestringpuller: actually I may do that

15:37:41 jurov: just pay some philippinos

15:38:57 davout: reddit: the place where philippinos vote-cancel other philippinos

15:39:11 trinque: yeah but like, how is bitcoin going to give me free college and corn products?

15:39:21 thestringpuller: how is bitcoin going to make me rich?

15:40:08 mike_c: hodl

15:40:16 trinque: thestringpuller: please pay me 10BTC for my exclusive webinar

15:40:33 davout: thestringpuller: "while i sleep" is the important tidbit

15:41:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51322 @ 0.00070535 = 36.2 BTC [+]

15:44:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67372 @ 0.00069309 = 46.6949 BTC [-] {5}

15:49:47 trinque: flag store nearby does not have a rebel flag

15:49:56 trinque: bah

15:50:22 trinque: I want to put that and the Texan flag in each back window of my station wagon on the way home

15:53:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3508 @ 0.00068815 = 2.414 BTC [-]

15:58:57 thestringpuller: why do you want a confederate flag trinque ?

15:59:06 thestringpuller: wb mircea_popescu

15:59:29 *: mircea_popescu waves

16:02:12 trinque: thestringpuller: because I want Texas to secede :)

16:02:15 trinque: also it looks cool

16:09:54 trinque: thestringpuller: there were a number of sensible things in the Confederate constitution as well

16:12:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6536 @ 0.00070286 = 4.5939 BTC [+]

16:13:09 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261361 << global warming hue hue

16:13:09 assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 10:59:18; pete_dushenski: "The reason was some of the softest air currents in 40 years, cutting power sales from wind farms to utilities"

16:13:40 mircea_popescu: wtf is Quinoa

16:13:43 mircea_popescu: ;;ud Quinoa

16:13:44 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=quinoa | Gullible white middle-class person: Oh, we only eat quinoa these days. It's more ethical than other crops; you can tell because it costs more, so it must be ...

16:15:12 mircea_popescu: "The fact is that the economic growth we had in the last quarter was in line with expectations. Of course it bounces around from quarter to quarter but it was in line with our overarching expectation." <<< bwahaha who is this ignorant twerp. he looks like an indigent and speaks like an indigent, too!

16:16:02 thestringpuller: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3jh9t5/are_there_any_private_stock_exchanges_that_deal/ << Wonder how many downvotes a comment referencing MPEx will get

16:16:38 mircea_popescu: "Features that make CockroachDB unstoppable What a database needs in 2015" << fuck that nonsense, what's the year got to do with anything.

16:17:03 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller infinity, who would want to use a private stock exchange that has a proven track record of everything.

16:17:22 mircea_popescu: it's reddit after all.

16:17:53 thestringpuller: havelock still exists?

16:18:35 mircea_popescu: Suppressing U.S.-mandated seat-belt warning tone << holy shit that rules.

16:18:50 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller more or less in the manner picostocks still exists.

16:19:19 thestringpuller: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3jh9t5/are_there_any_private_stock_exchanges_that_deal/cupdl1r << "GLBSE did. It was magical. But the SEC shut it down. Theymos has all rge money from it." << dunno if sarcasm.

16:19:40 thestringpuller: GLBSE was anything but magical, but mmkay.

16:20:18 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261404 << yeah been going on forevar.

16:20:18 assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 11:35:05; shinohai: My "hacks" were mostly to wiring and such. My mother, in her nasally Jewish voice, always swore I was going to "burn myself alive in my car"

16:20:46 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller plox to not import multiple versions of the same stupid into ba thx

16:21:43 thestringpuller: my b

16:22:16 mircea_popescu: "Will there ever be a point in time where bitcoin will be so easy to use that it won't be intimidating for the average Joe?"

16:22:17 mircea_popescu: no!

16:22:27 mircea_popescu: "the average joe" does not belong above ground, either.

16:23:18 fluffypony: the extraordinary joe, on the other hand

16:25:01 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261449 << errything in moderation.

16:25:01 assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 14:21:52; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261287 << i thought mircea_popescu wouldn't be caught dead using a phone, much less calling usa...

16:26:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58851 @ 0.00070803 = 41.6683 BTC [+] {4}

16:26:26 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261457 << a) everywhere. literally. how dumbfucked usians are needs no further proof than this simple fact. you derps put up with charge for INCOMING, srsly ? heh. b) i have like a dozen+. disposable cellphone ftw.

16:26:26 assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 14:25:01; asciilifeform: where, exactly, can you get phone that doesn't charge for incoming ?

16:28:18 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261467 << that's another one. lol, srsly ? why are you buying it then. "oh because here we got no options". mmmmkay.

16:28:18 assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 14:27:05; asciilifeform: many american ones do not.

16:28:59 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261469 << actually it's both. either alone is pretty useless.

16:28:59 assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 14:29:28; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261276 << the proverbial 'boeing full of tapes' is faster than ~anybody~'s pipe. when people pay for 'high-speed net', they are usually paying for ~low latency~ rather than high bandwidth.

16:32:23 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1244828 << to expound on this a little. there are two fundamental contexts for defeat, and only two. you probably know them from engineering : if a) your fundamentals are sound, you refine the implementation ; if b) your fundamentals are rotten you change the fundamentals.

16:32:23 assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 01:15:46; mircea_popescu: and it would seem the us is all glass. much like hitler's socialist regime, or stalin's socialist regime, the us socialism can not really take defeat well. either they turn it around or they go under, there's no "occupied france" going on.

16:32:34 mircea_popescu: thus a is a "minor bug" and b is a "we have to refactor".

16:33:32 mircea_popescu: exactly the same is the situation in politics, which are throughout software. if the country is run by unfit men, which is the very definition of socialism, the fundamentals are ipso facto rotten. everyone knows they are rotten. the only reason things carry on is because "well, it works", ie, it hasn't crashed yet. once it crashes, that's it, off to the scrap heap.

16:33:46 mircea_popescu: socialism doesn't take defeat well the same way crappy software doesn't take failure well.

16:34:21 mircea_popescu: meanwhile if the country is run by fit men, defeat only strengthens the resolve. a fine example are the early roman republican defeats, which merely served to raise more army behind the senate,

16:34:36 mircea_popescu: or for that matter the numerous setbacks and defeats of the us rebel army up to and including valleyforge.

16:36:40 mircea_popescu: (this is also why socialism is so keen in inventing imaginary enemies. the drain on resources faux "wars" with imagined boogaboos impose is bad, but not terminal. the advantage of an enemy that can never actually come in and defeat you, for lack of existence, is unparalleled. and so it goes.)

16:39:23 mircea_popescu: anyway, the only good thing coming out of that parade (an event imbecile "world leaders" are not going to - and should be hanged by their constituencies for not having attended, if those constituencies weren't made up of retards) is that xi specifically mentioned discrimination as bad. this is an improbable stance for china.

16:40:08 mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field

16:44:04 mircea_popescu: and "potential new users" are going to "leave ship". << lol davout

16:53:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51200 @ 0.00070916 = 36.309 BTC [+] {2}

16:55:56 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

16:55:59 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261556 << i'll bite. what is the option ?

16:55:59 assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 16:28:18; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261467 << that's another one. lol, srsly ? why are you buying it then. "oh because here we got no options". mmmmkay.

16:56:12 ascii_field: the broomstick ?

17:00:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27713 @ 0.00071516 = 19.8192 BTC [+] {3}

17:01:36 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261554 << over here, they flag residences with more-than-average count of distinct sim id

17:01:36 assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 16:26:26; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261457 << a) everywhere. literally. how dumbfucked usians are needs no further proof than this simple fact. you derps put up with charge for INCOMING, srsly ? heh. b) i have like a dozen+. disposable cellphone ftw.

17:02:05 ascii_field: (then, naturally, parallel-construct.)

17:03:39 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261558 << how might one have, physically, low-latency without high bandwidth? you could serialize the bits, and immediately get the other. it is only high bandwidth that does not automatically imply low latency

17:03:39 assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 16:28:59; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261469 << actually it's both. either alone is pretty useless.

17:37:26 BingoBoingo: <jurov> but mpex order/trade matching is hairy, errors are likely to snowball << Maybe it is because MPEx skipped its summer vacation this year?

17:38:27 jurov: lol what does summer vacation have with order matching?

17:52:39 BingoBoingo: jurov: I don't know exactly, but Maybe the server is cranky?

17:59:33 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260537 << who're you using?

17:59:33 assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 01:14:22; *: trinque had unpasteurized milk recently; there's a good farm for it nearby

18:01:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33850 @ 0.00071388 = 24.1648 BTC [-]

18:08:33 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260586 << its an obvious place for the market to be right now. gotta aggregate demand.

18:08:33 assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 01:37:31; asciilifeform: the other interesting thing is that the market is segmented in such a way that anyone who doesn't want mcfood ends up paying for ~all~ the alt-crackpotteries, not merely the logical ones

18:08:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45985 @ 0.00070286 = 32.321 BTC [-] {2}

18:09:10 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

18:09:19 ascii_field: ben_vulpes: continued here, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260730

18:09:19 assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 02:43:53; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260662 << actually this is the one place where the clean hand of marketronics seems to me most apparent. reasonable sane people are not numerous enough here to be a market segment even to sell a paper clip.

18:09:46 ben_vulpes: well your "here" is batshit nuts amigo.

18:11:02 ascii_field: wai wat - ben_vulpes does not see this segmentation where he lives ?

18:11:14 ascii_field: e.g., can buy antibiotic-free but gmo-enabled chicken ?

18:11:39 ben_vulpes: there are enough reasonable sane people here to make farmers markets within walking distance of my house 4/7 days of the week financially viable.

18:11:47 ascii_field: similar here

18:11:52 ascii_field: not what i was talking about.

18:12:06 ascii_field: was discussing - specifically - stores.

18:12:07 ben_vulpes: quit bullshitting, nothing is in walking distance of your house!

18:12:12 ascii_field: wai wat

18:12:19 ascii_field: farmer's market is 10 min of walk away

18:12:23 ben_vulpes: leastaways that was a complaint i heard from you once.

18:12:23 ascii_field: the woman is there right now.

18:12:27 ben_vulpes: hm.

18:12:41 ascii_field: over here, it's a weekly thing

18:13:06 punkman: food supply also needs WoT

18:13:28 *: ben_vulpes shrugs

18:13:30 ben_vulpes: stores?

18:13:44 ben_vulpes: people who eat manufactured food - eat manufactured food.

18:14:45 ascii_field: ben_vulpes gets oil for frying pan at the farmer market ?

18:15:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31350 @ 0.0006944 = 21.7694 BTC [-]

18:26:06 ascii_field: phun phakt: in recent year or so, 'paypal' will simply sit on a transaction for three weeks, collecting interest from the money.

18:26:14 ascii_field: (in addition to the usual fees, etc)

18:26:56 ascii_field: this is actually tangentially related to the market thing earlier with ben_vulpes

18:27:10 ascii_field: in that THERE IS NO ALT-PAYPAL because THERE IS NO ALT-EBAY

18:27:16 kakobrekla: last time i had a dispute solved by paypal, i was overcompensated.

18:28:37 punkman: ebay is not that different to amazon these days

18:28:40 kakobrekla: in the words of Blake, "just lucky, i guess".

18:28:56 ascii_field: punkman: amazon is not a sole source for anything

18:29:23 punkman: and ebay is?

18:29:34 ascii_field: ebay is.

18:30:02 ascii_field: where the fuck am i supposed to get, e.g, specific bracket for specific circa-1992 laptop ?

18:30:02 punkman: such as?

18:30:22 ascii_field: or soviet z80 cpu of particular east german factory

18:30:31 ascii_field: or, or, or,

18:30:40 ascii_field: times 1,001 in a year or less

18:31:04 ascii_field: srsly, if the answer is 'don't do that, instead put this broomstick up your arse' then fuckyou

18:31:41 ben_vulpes: http://www.geekwire.com/2015/watch-boeing-demolish-this-old-757-for-recycling/

18:31:43 assbot: Watch Boeing demolish this old 757 for recycling - GeekWire ... ( http://bit.ly/1LXY99a )

18:33:55 punkman: ebay has been optimizing for "chinese supermarket" sellers for a long time now.

18:37:44 ascii_field: punkman: aha.

18:38:02 punkman: ascii_field: your argument has merit, but I don't think for long

18:38:31 ascii_field: ?

18:39:20 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

18:41:13 kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261620 < https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zgXnSKgopY#t=5m30

18:41:13 assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 18:28:40; kakobrekla: in the words of Blake, "just lucky, i guess".

18:41:14 assbot: You gonna shoot me? - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1LXZYTy )

18:44:51 ascii_field: punkman et al: notice how paypal is among the most hated firms in the world, prolly right up there with microshit; and yet there is no escape from it if you use ebay

18:51:06 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=30-04-2015#1117015 << see also.

18:51:06 assbot: Logged on 30-04-2015 21:29:20; ascii_field: as far as i'm concerned, historically, ebay is just this gizmo that shaves a zero off the price of the costliest things i buy. so i was never moved to care whether it is run by hitler or fueled with baby seal juice etc.

18:51:23 ascii_field: and http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=30-04-2015#1116992

18:51:23 assbot: Logged on 30-04-2015 21:21:12; ascii_field: http://www.loper-os.org/vintage/paralleleye/eye.html << example of item i bought on ebay. where the fuck else is it even physically possible to get one of these? sotheby's? it took 5+ yrs of searching, too

18:52:02 phf: <ascii_field> they flag residences with more-than-average count of distinct sim id << they do? i don't even know how many sims i have, they have all kinds of practical applications! sms proxies, rc helicopters, remote triggered explosive devices, what?

18:52:42 ascii_field: phf: if you're ~connected~ with more than a handful, you are flagged.

18:53:13 ascii_field: precisely how many and within what geographic spot constitutes 'interesting', i do not know. ask the inquisitor when it's your turn in the room 101 chair.

18:53:39 ascii_field: the main flagging criterion as per various leaked papers is 'sim that connects only occasionally'

18:53:43 ascii_field: it is auto-interesting.

18:54:54 phf: well, damn

18:55:42 phf: elsewhere on the internet http://www.ebay.com/itm/181823958627

18:55:44 assbot: Vintage HP 16C Computer Scientific Calculator Plus Original Manual and Case 766897448522 | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1LOKcr0 )

18:55:54 phf: $350

18:55:55 ascii_field: i got one of these.

18:56:02 ascii_field: and WHERE THE FUCK OTHER THAN EBAY could i have gotten it.

18:56:16 ascii_field: monopoly.

18:56:51 kakobrekla: they sell those too on ebay.

18:57:07 phf: naturally all the retro names fetch a pretty penny

18:57:23 ascii_field: phf: it isn't about 'retro name' but about the only programmer's calculator ever made

18:57:45 ascii_field: as in, does shr and shl, and/or/xor/not, hex->dec->oct->bin, each of these with 1 keypress

18:57:50 ascii_field: and 64 bits of working reg

18:58:09 ascii_field: i use this thing every day.

18:58:45 phf: there's that conversion project, that takes one of the modern hp calculators and adds a programmer friendly firmware. the layout is not as good though

18:59:24 ascii_field: i don't want the 49 series with their idiot vertical layout and tiny keys

18:59:28 phf: http://commerce.hpcalc.org/34s.php

18:59:29 assbot: WP 34S Scientific Calculator ... ( http://bit.ly/1LY2LMn )

18:59:29 phf: right

18:59:32 ascii_field: and FUCK NO do i not want multiple keypresses for the above ops

19:00:08 ascii_field: classic 'here have this thing that isn't actually the same at all'

19:00:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37400 @ 0.0006944 = 25.9706 BTC [-]

19:00:35 phf: "why would you need it? when you can have an ipad app version!!"

19:01:02 BingoBoingo: <ascii_field> ben_vulpes gets oil for frying pan at the farmer market ? << Doesn't the oil render of the MEGA_Hippie pork lardons?

19:01:14 ascii_field: and even if it were the correct size & shape, I AM NOT FUCKING WRITING ON KEYS WITH PEN

19:01:19 ascii_field: srsly

19:01:19 shinohai: ascii_field: I liked this post of yours: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1490 would indeed be interesting to materialize.

19:01:21 assbot: Loper OS » Practical Blockchain Telegraphy. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LY30Hl )

19:01:30 ascii_field: shinohai: it materialized, i used it for years.

19:01:39 shinohai: O.o

19:02:33 phf: ascii_field: guy who wrote firmware also distributes laminates. i hear you, but it's the whole poverty point, for me it was a step up from "why the fuck can't i get a decent rpn calculator?" i tried iphone apps even..

19:02:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54122 @ 0.0006922 = 37.4632 BTC [-] {2}

19:03:10 ascii_field: phf: it is better to use a really good computer proggy, like 'derive', than a shit calculator

19:04:24 phf: i've noticed that. i have a pretty hacked up ccl repl, that does math for me in infix notation, and that's something that i reach for in anger. i'd like something as easy, and preferably portable

19:05:25 ascii_field: the lack of an EXACT knockoff 16c anywhere on the planet is among the best evidence for mircea_popescu's hypothesis that 'no one programs'

19:07:48 phf: nobody's going to go out of their way to satisfy the needs of 100 people or so, who are also temperamentally ascetics

19:08:02 phf: except for medici of course

19:08:07 phf: but we have shortage of those

19:08:16 ascii_field: those ran out long ago.

19:08:45 BingoBoingo: Preemptive cookies for Jurov http://api.ning.com/files/q4DlaPxOl30An1vq5BH1xup*L3TjUhA*VuHXVLNC7b7OyRIS6ii9zq14GkCVv9LP5zzdXiWZAHQMdUfck0wMd7hYnqDQdplV/CareBearandRainbowTray.JPG

19:08:46 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1LY4iSO )

19:09:08 jurov: aw my eyes

19:10:06 phf: !up ascii_field

19:10:52 phf: ascii_field: have you used calc at all?

19:11:04 ascii_field: aha

19:11:12 ascii_field: thing is, i like doing things away from computer.

19:11:38 *: jurov never heard of derive.exe before ... such abject poverty

19:11:55 ascii_field: jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=01-09-2015#1258008

19:11:55 assbot: Logged on 01-09-2015 03:05:59; asciilifeform: ;;later tell gernika http://loper-os.org/pub/derive_and_more.img.gz << floppy image containing PROPER msdos, sys utils (for making more of self), himem, edit, qbasic, buncha other stuff, and Derive.

19:12:09 jurov: yes saw it, kudos!

19:12:24 ascii_field: it will boot on raw iron or on any reasonable emulator

19:14:52 phf: i'm disappointed that amazon caved and went the retard route with their kindle. i've gotten as far as booting temacs on kindle, back when it still had a shitty but hardware keyboard, gave up when i saw version two with touch screen, left in disgusts when fire came out

19:15:20 ascii_field: phf: 'dx' was imho the only usable machine from them

19:15:25 ascii_field: everything else - dross

19:17:20 phf: i have a hand rolled version of instapaper that takes html articles and adds them to a periodic readinglist.mobi. same for b-a logs. in fact i read most of the stuff on kindle, far away from a real computer..

19:20:07 trinque: ! DOS toys

19:20:37 phf: but that goes with the whole "market of 100 people"

19:22:34 phf: https://pro.sony.com/bbsc/ssr/product-DPTS1/?PID=I:digitalpaper:digitalpaperproductpage target market lawyers, government and "higher ed"

19:23:02 ascii_field: phf: iirc this is a piece of shit

19:23:04 ascii_field: it runs winblows

19:23:52 ascii_field: it also has laughably low res

19:23:58 ascii_field: (nothing close to 300 dpi)

19:25:42 phf: probably could be reversed, but at the price point nobody with that amount of free time will bother. there's a chinese firmware hack, that replaces kindle's os

19:29:12 ascii_field: i had this on my dx, they are invariably shit

19:29:27 ascii_field: full of supposedly-tolerable 'minor imperfections' like most opensource garbage

19:30:55 BingoBoingo: http://www.mysanantonio.com/lifestyle/article/College-junior-rides-her-Barbie-Jeep-adound-6478450.php#photo-8564704

19:30:56 assbot: Texas State student rides her Barbie Jeep around campus after DWI arrest, Internet loves it - San Antonio Express-News ... ( http://bit.ly/1POa0o7 )

19:31:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99380 @ 0.00069508 = 69.0771 BTC [+] {2}

19:33:00 phf: imho that was the first wave of retards in linux the whole "linux on desktop" thing, shifted massive amounts of resources towards догоним и перегоним. instead of bullet proof fvwm or whatever, you now have a dozen of windows ripoffs with "minor imperfections", but don't worry there's a libfoo that adds exposé support to your terminal characters

19:33:20 ascii_field: this was a plague for many many years

19:33:24 ascii_field: starting with gnome/kde

19:33:46 ascii_field: but with regards to 'chinese firmware' i meant the opposite end of the plague

19:34:01 ascii_field: 'none of the buttons work but that's ok, you can press morse with power switch to scroll'

19:34:09 phf: hehehe

19:34:12 ascii_field: aka 'linux on laptops'

19:34:17 shinohai: The most 'murican gun ever BingoBoingo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTy-Z6rBMLQ

19:34:18 assbot: Video: CAIR-FL Calls New Assault Weapon Inscribed with Bible Verse a ‘Shameful Marketing Ploy’ - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1POauuh )

19:34:45 ascii_field: what's it say? 'i come not with peace but a sword' ?

19:34:48 ascii_field: 'eye for eye' ?

19:35:51 phf: http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/09/28/article-0-18565E9200000578-190_634x424.jpg

19:35:52 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1POaFWG )

19:36:14 trinque: "deter muslim terrorists" lol

19:37:30 phf: this is probably not the best example but there's only so much time you can spend googling "ak-47 allah" at a packed lebanese cafe

19:37:31 BingoBoingo: shinohai: "And the Egyptians shall know that I am the LORD."?

19:37:35 trinque: http://www.spikestactical.com/crusader-w12-mlok-dynacomp-2-p-1319.html

19:37:36 assbot: Crusader w/12 M-LOK & Dynacomp 2 [STR5525-M2D] - $1,395.00 : Spikes Tactical ... ( http://bit.ly/1POaSJk )

19:37:57 shinohai: Hell, having a bible verse on a rifle discourages *me* from using it.

19:38:18 ascii_field: l0l this reminds me of the 'hello kitty' rifle

19:38:23 BingoBoingo: shinohai: "Kill the bullock before the LORD ... bring the blood, and sprinkle the blood round about upon the altar."?

19:38:35 ascii_field: popularly bought by wife to discourage husband from hogging it at target practice day

19:38:59 ascii_field: srsly, walk into any u.s. gun shop, there they are, bright-pink kalash, etc

19:39:04 phf: http://www.riflegear.com/blogimages/ShootingKitty1.jpg

19:39:07 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1POb4Z1 )

19:39:25 trinque: http://biblehub.com/tsk/psalms/144-1.htm

19:39:26 assbot: Psalm 144:1 TSK: Blessed be the LORD, my rock, who trains my hands for battle and my fingers for warfare, ... ( http://bit.ly/1POb5we )

19:39:31 trinque: Blessed be the LORD, my rock, Who trains my hands for war, And my fingers for battle;

19:39:57 trinque: http://www.spikestactical.com/images/crusader-5_04.jpg

19:39:59 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1O0EBjK )

19:40:03 trinque: danielpbarron: found your gun ^

19:40:17 trinque: !up ascii_field

19:40:26 BingoBoingo: shinohai: "And there came out a fire from the LORD, and consumed the two hundred and fifty men that offered incense."?

19:41:06 shinohai: Maybe danielpbarron can tell us if it fulfills a prophecy. Bible is out of my league.

19:42:42 shinohai: Though I do want a copy of that "Queen James" Bible translation to keep on the shelf for when Mormons come over.r

19:45:53 jurov: I'd play safe and had a Greek one. That one's passable for Catholics and Protestants too

19:46:16 BingoBoingo: ^

19:46:38 BingoBoingo: Also greek allows maximum trollage when you tell Missionaries the original text isn't all that exciting

19:47:10 shinohai: lol

19:47:36 trinque: these gun-toting christians hate socialism, so I like them just fine

19:49:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16485 @ 0.00069694 = 11.4891 BTC [+]

19:50:16 trinque: http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/03/europe/migration-crisis-aylan-kurdi-turkey-canada/ << meanwhile the propaganda machine says "save the poor syrian refugees!"

19:50:30 shinohai: I honest;y don't have a problem with most, except the real real fundies

19:51:12 jurov: http://www.amazon.com/The-Queen-James-Bible/dp/0615724531 lol it actually exists

19:51:13 assbot: The Queen James Bible: 9780615724539: Amazon.com: Books ... ( http://bit.ly/1POcrH7 )

19:51:48 trinque: shinohai: I see it as just another way to line people up into some semblance of a command structure

19:55:43 shinohai: Onward Christian Soldiers

19:58:04 phf: trinque: my main issue with fundamentalists and their ilk is that they are busybodies and tend to get into other people's business. none of that "render unto caesar". not to mention that the whole badass christian patriarch stance is pathetic, because its false.

19:58:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57568 @ 0.00069906 = 40.2435 BTC [+]

20:08:37 trinque: phf: I can see that point, but I see the problem as a matter of what rules are imposed, not that they are imposed.

20:08:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45677 @ 0.00070866 = 32.3695 BTC [+] {3}

20:09:15 trinque: the alternative at least in the US seems to be this social-media narcissism which feels not just justified but entitled to arbitrary beliefs

20:09:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25716 @ 0.00071293 = 18.3337 BTC [+] {2}

20:11:13 joecool: !up ascii_field

20:11:56 trinque: phf: also elaborate if you would on how the "badass christian patriarch" is false?

20:12:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20700 @ 0.00069085 = 14.3006 BTC [-] {3}

20:12:44 ascii_field: trinque: no shortage of this. picture the 'patriarch' in usg divorce court

20:13:03 ascii_field: or in usg jail for having 'eye for an eye'-d

20:13:18 ascii_field: or 10,001 other exercises of his would-be pashtunism

20:13:30 ascii_field: which end in a sore starfish and little else

20:13:34 trinque: wouldn't he say that he'd like the laws changed further in his favor in those cases?

20:13:43 ascii_field: would like a pony also.

20:13:43 trinque: but yes, not much he can do here and now

20:14:03 trinque: and most of these people don't see that the american system resulted in precisely that predicament

20:14:50 ascii_field: they happily send their sons to army so they can 'die for a fat bitch's right to marry her dog'

20:15:45 BingoBoingo: !b 8

20:15:45 assbot: Last 8 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1HSJP9H.txt )

20:16:03 trinque: yep, I was briefly interested in this "Oath Keepers" thing, but they're ironically exactly the white counterpart to #blacklivesmatter

20:16:16 joecool: hrm, was I purged from the WoT graph? catching up on fraudsters and the logs that appears to be the case?

20:16:28 trinque: marching around, yes with guns, but for display

20:16:37 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-08-2015#1234850

20:16:37 assbot: Logged on 11-08-2015 13:45:47; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the original story with these is that they were simply a group of officers who... took an oath

20:16:41 BingoBoingo: !gettrust joecool

20:16:43 assbot: Trust relationship from user BingoBoingo to user joecool: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 4 connections. | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=BingoBoingo&to=joecool | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/joecool/

20:17:04 joecool: http://fraudsters.com/2015/a-new-lordship-list/ <

20:17:05 assbot: A new Lordship List ? on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LYer1O )

20:18:24 trinque: "should they later find the time, interest and inclination to contribute substantially (as I have no doubt any actually could), there's going to be more revisions."

20:18:48 BingoBoingo: Ah, subtracted for low activity, and lack of any specific known pledge of allegience it seems joecool

20:19:15 BingoBoingo: !gettrust assbot joecool

20:19:15 assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user joecool: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=joecool | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/joecool/

20:19:35 BingoBoingo: Still got that level 2 swag though

20:21:03 joecool: I don't speak too often in here, but I do like to keep up with things

20:21:31 joecool: nice job with qntra.net by the way, I read that daily

20:21:40 BingoBoingo: Thanks.

20:23:19 BingoBoingo: I just try not to suck.

20:24:46 trinque: this "syrian toddler" thing is everywhere. must be time for war

20:26:09 ascii_field: trinque: how else to get american airforce into the meatgrinder, for ru to practice on

20:26:46 joecool: Best to have realistic goals I suppose. The bitcoin news sites that suck group is pretty crowded anyway

20:26:55 ascii_field: been far too long since vietnam, neither side even remembers what the other looks like, other than from old photos

20:27:09 trinque: haha, maybe we'll have a nice reunion soon

20:28:51 trinque: seems you could draw us back into the middle east, meanwhile hit us economically like china seems to be doing, and that's it

20:29:24 trinque: our DC idiots will probably walk right into it

20:31:30 trinque: http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Europe/2015/0903/Putin-showcases-Russia-s-pivot-to-Asia-as-he-visits-China-for-WWII-parade << making a point to appear together more often

20:31:30 assbot: Putin showcases Russia's pivot to Asia as he visits China for WWII parade - CSMonitor.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1LYgy5y )

20:33:54 mats: 14:30:38 <+ascii_field> times 1,001 in a year or less << aliexpress?

20:34:12 ascii_field: mats: were you paying attention when i specifically mentioned ancient hardware ?

20:34:29 ascii_field: FIND ME A MOTHERFUCKING HP200LX ON ALI

20:35:10 ascii_field: fine me a ~USED~ sherline four-jaw lathe chuck on ali.

20:35:29 mats: touchy

20:35:38 ascii_field: find me a 2007 amd opteron socket-1207 cpu on ali.

20:35:59 trinque: http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/171894038739?ul_noapp=true&chn=ps&lpid=82

20:36:00 assbot: Used HP 200LX PC 2MB RAM w Agilent Wave Viewer Card | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1LYheIb )

20:36:16 ascii_field: trinque: i am listing only objects i already have

20:36:23 ascii_field: and that cannot be had anywhere other than ebay.

20:36:25 trinque: ah; well this thing looks cool

20:36:40 ascii_field: 'have good luck and know someone selling it' is not an alternative

20:36:51 ascii_field: i have shit luck and don't know anyone who has anything i want.

20:37:42 trinque: 0 results found for macivory, so we searched for m ivory << no kidding

20:38:10 ascii_field: trinque: some items even on ebay i had to wait for years to find.

20:39:45 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261614 << more like recent decade.

20:39:45 assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 18:26:06; ascii_field: phun phakt: in recent year or so, 'paypal' will simply sit on a transaction for three weeks, collecting interest from the money.

20:39:55 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: 2014 rule

20:40:12 kakobrekla: in yurop is different, every country has online flea markets in their own language, many of them quite obscure. you find many gems if you can navigate that.

20:40:23 mircea_popescu: "oh,. bitcoin needs larger blocks, because to compete with paypal's three week poayment processing!!1"

20:40:40 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i suspect that won't last too long.

20:40:48 ascii_field: kakobrekla: i buy things that literally one out of a million people has to sell.

20:41:00 ascii_field: kakobrekla: and i don't have a sotheby's budget to do it with, either.

20:41:02 ascii_field: hence ebay.

20:41:03 kakobrekla: but its most often taht you need to drive to pick it up as seller doesnt give a shit to post it, even if you offer pay.

20:41:27 phf: trinque: modern christian position on divorce, on a role of a woman in household, on a role of man in household, on premarital sex, all sham. fundamentally there's no belief in the bible. no first world christian guy would even consider living according to bible in, say, muslim style. so what constitutes badassery? hunting from a back of a pickup, or "i was linebacker 30 years ago"?

20:41:46 kakobrekla: ascii_field i have found one in a million things there that ebay could not provide.

20:41:54 ascii_field: kakobrekla: same. many times

20:41:54 trinque: phf: eh, I don't think you know my rednecks

20:42:05 ascii_field: kakobrekla: but when i ~do~ find the magic artifact, it is 100% on ebay.

20:42:08 trinque: not saying I believe in the bible myself, but they do, and have read and studied it

20:42:26 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

20:42:28 ascii_field: this is not because ebay is a great thing, but because it has killed everything else remotely comparable.

20:42:39 ascii_field: long, long ago

20:43:03 phf: trinque: tell your redneck to go to his church and say out loud that he beliefs that divorce is a sin, that woman that initiates a divorce can no be redeemed in the eyes of god, etc.

20:43:09 phf: *believes

20:43:10 thestringpuller: http://insidebitcoins.com/news/erik-voorhees-defends-coinbase-at-texas-bitcoin-conference/34638 << is voorhees going to the dark side?

20:43:10 trinque: they do.

20:43:27 trinque: there's a whole other world outside the cities, and its not all inbred

20:43:32 kakobrekla: even got an item for 500e on one such obscure place, an item that surfaces on ebay once a year and goes for 5k.

20:43:58 pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: going, going, gone. in 2012.

20:44:11 pete_dushenski: kakobrekla: fiat 500e ? the electric one ?

20:44:23 kakobrekla: 500euros

20:44:23 phf: trinque: i don't have a reference for that rednecks that i go snowboarding and sometimes hunting with are not very religious. they just say all the tv talking points, abortion, gays, liberal elite, etc.

20:44:25 kakobrekla: :)

20:44:44 thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: ever since the S.DICE thing?

20:46:10 phf: trinque: but i'm thinking specifically of ~christian~ communities rather then rednecks specifically. my reference point are friends whose parents are "active in church" or work as missionaries abroad

20:47:41 phf: and they seem to be as contemptible as any liberal suburban family, just with some polarities switched

20:47:42 pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: ever since he chose not to show up here and get in the wot

20:48:19 trinque: phf: I know christians that believe the man's the head of the house, and that one is to follow the bible literally

20:48:26 trinque: one's that would get along with danielpbarron

20:48:29 trinque: *ones

20:48:52 jurov: i have met him personally in timisoara (and his trophy gf), did not look like a good fit

20:49:58 ascii_field: voorhes ?

20:50:03 jurov: yes

20:50:04 trinque: phf: I see the beliefs themselves less relevant than the command structure implied by them

20:50:13 ascii_field: hasn't he revealed himself to be a spammer piece of shit ?

20:50:16 jurov: voorhees was on 1st conf

20:50:17 trinque: somebody could figure out a way to do something interesting with that.

20:50:47 *: ascii_field does not know voorhes personally, but distinctly recalls that the man was embroiled in spam

20:52:38 jurov: well.. wences casares was there, too, not sure if it was the same eyar

20:53:02 ascii_field: jurov: iirc from mircea_popescu's article, that was one of the people there

20:53:03 pete_dushenski: xapohead went to timisoara ?!

20:53:16 jurov: yes he did

20:53:27 pete_dushenski: nuts

20:53:56 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: History

20:54:11 BingoBoingo: It's a weird thing

20:54:33 pete_dushenski: the only thing new...

20:55:09 jurov: i had a bit heated discussion with him that it the wallet users don't own the privkeys, wtf is that all about

20:55:11 thestringpuller: !gettrust evoorhees

20:55:11 assbot: Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user evoorhees: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 1 connections. | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=thestringpuller&to=evoorhees | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/evoorhees/

20:55:21 thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: ^^^ he's in wot...

20:55:36 ascii_field: jurov: i was never able to conceive of casares as anything other than a 'wallet-inspector' sc4mz0r

20:56:36 jurov: well.. if i hadn't met you in person, i'd have very different image too :)

20:56:40 pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: good digging, i suspected he might've been, but search for 'voorhees' on btcalpha drew up a blank

20:57:49 kakobrekla: voorhees and casares were at the first meet

20:58:49 pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: upon further review, he's evorhees isn't in assbot's l2, so i guess he's not in the wot after all.

21:00:27 kakobrekla: they saw kako is in reality a nice guy and left the place.

21:00:59 pete_dushenski: that ~would~ be pretty disappointing

21:04:18 *: jurov was watching mpoe-pr aka hanbot in action, riding her tablet

21:07:11 mats: jurov: have an eta for coinbr availability?

21:07:42 jurov: have pinpointed the cause, tomorrow evening likely

21:09:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10150 @ 0.00071395 = 7.2466 BTC [+]

21:14:34 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

21:17:05 thestringpuller: “Now, everyone sees this as a critical topic. I know of more than 100 firms that are trying to make the blockchain more scalable, more secure, to make the one that everybody will use. There’s a race on out there.”

21:17:21 thestringpuller: from >> http://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2015-09-01/blythe-masters-tells-banks-the-blockchain-changes-everything

21:18:11 midnightmagic: a.k.a. scamcoin developers

21:20:01 shinohai: ^

21:20:25 btcdrak: Mike Hearn seems sad in this post: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/bitcoin-xt/IWg3JHvOWJo

21:20:26 assbot: Google Groupes ... ( http://bit.ly/1JF0jGX )

21:21:24 BingoBoingo: In other news Obama jerked off a fish. http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/03/politics/obama-salmon-spawning-alaska/index.html

21:21:25 assbot: Salmon spawns on Obama in Alaska - CNNPolitics.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1JF0rpU )

21:22:00 ascii_field: btcdrak: that thing appears to require login

21:22:08 jurov: "He was happy to see me," Obama added.

21:22:12 shinohai: "Of course this doesn't help mining pools. They would need to find ways to sink the DoS attacks themselves." LOL

21:22:13 kakobrekla: some read logz lol? http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=16-08-2015#1240070

21:22:13 assbot: Logged on 16-08-2015 17:54:18; kakobrekla: wheres that ddoser now, could be put to good use

21:22:19 btcdrak: Oh let me screencap it then

21:22:43 BingoBoingo: It's official, Obama like Kanye West loves fish sticks and is in fact a gay fish.

21:23:18 kakobrekla: lol@'version collector'

21:23:20 btcdrak: Here: http://i.imgur.com/cM8Y4KD.png it's so ludicrous. Give you an insight into how Mike actually thinks

21:23:21 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KumX8H )

21:24:07 mircea_popescu: aww.

21:24:28 mike_c: oh gavin.. "... which should eventually evolve into "download, check for valid signatures, and automatically upgrade" code (yet another feature that I think it is pretty clear people want that can't make it past the Core idea review process)."

21:24:39 kakobrekla: hearn >

21:24:39 kakobrekla: My nodes got hit with 25 GBit/sec. The university firewall handled it like a pro, but I was forced to shut off my nodes. Due to the security implications (I guess DDoS attacks are a security risk now?) I'll have to fight to get them back up again.

21:24:40 kakobrekla: lol

21:25:12 mircea_popescu: herp. so he's mooching bw and everything from maryland ?

21:25:45 ascii_field: wai wat

21:25:53 ascii_field: hearn is with shi et al now ?!

21:26:12 pete_dushenski: garzik re 'bip100' reddit convo : This is mostly pre-feedback, transcribing the discussion documentation into a technical specification. The doc & spec & code will evolve from here, based on community feedback and testing."

21:29:30 mircea_popescu: ascii_field the us is a tiny, parochial space

21:29:41 mircea_popescu: there's like... a huffingluepost and so forth.

21:30:18 ascii_field: tiny more from the fact that it compresses so well

21:30:29 ascii_field: just about whole thing is tied with identical pieces

21:30:32 ascii_field: *tiled

21:33:31 btcdrak: mike_c: autoupdate has been discussed a lot in Core, and is absolutely out of the questions because of the security implications.

21:46:47 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

22:01:24 deedbot-: [Qntra] Obama Brings Fish to Orgasm In Alaska Vacation Hijinks - http://qntra.net/2015/09/obama-brings-fish-to-orgasm-in-alaska-vacation-hijinks/

22:06:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7150 @ 0.00071395 = 5.1047 BTC [+]

22:07:57 ascii_field: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5JgnMJzCtQ

22:07:58 assbot: The Swarm Manned Aerial Vehicle Multirotor Super Drone Flying - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1KNgfJp )

22:08:22 ascii_field: ~somebody~ reads the logz

22:11:27 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261703 <<this never worked for me. because i don't just read, i have a tree of activites. it's not even a tree, its a graph, with cycles. line in log leads to documentation or to article writing half the time. and tablets are unusable for any purpose other than tv

22:11:27 assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 19:17:20; phf: i have a hand rolled version of instapaper that takes html articles and adds them to a periodic readinglist.mobi. same for b-a logs. in fact i read most of the stuff on kindle, far away from a real computer..

22:11:47 mircea_popescu: in fact... that's imo the driver behind "smartphone" (tablets y compris) : here, have this lighter tv screen you can shove in your ass.

22:12:06 mircea_popescu: when all is said and done, "the people themselves" do not want a computer but a tv set.

22:12:55 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i use a (very large) tablet thing to read djvu scans, and (occasionally) hyperlinkified therealbitcoin src. that's it.

22:13:17 mircea_popescu: and if you have to check out a poem ? drop back to desktop ?>

22:13:24 ascii_field: poem also works on it

22:13:30 mircea_popescu: how do you tell it what poem

22:13:30 ascii_field: but frustrating

22:13:34 ascii_field: for the reason you pointed out.

22:13:38 mircea_popescu: aha.

22:13:41 ascii_field: no adequate input.

22:13:56 ascii_field: (though the thing has provisions for an external keyboard, in principle)

22:14:14 mircea_popescu: but the only comfortable position for keyboarding is sitting

22:14:17 mircea_popescu: by which point...

22:14:17 ascii_field: aha

22:14:29 ascii_field: hence it is strictly for reading a particular item.

22:14:53 ascii_field: at the same time i ~would~ like a >300 dpi screen on real computer

22:15:34 mircea_popescu: what i would like is if they stopped dicking around and made holo displays already

22:15:53 ascii_field: l0l wtf for

22:16:01 mircea_popescu: all this "2d view of a 3d world" shit is for the birds./

22:16:06 ascii_field: i want to see transparently through my display like i want a second arse.

22:16:12 mircea_popescu: ascii_field for proper graph display. imagine mike's wot graph in 3d.

22:16:32 ascii_field: this is one of those things that ~sounds~ great until you do it.

22:16:36 mircea_popescu: i want a 1 cubic metre display. dun care so much about dpi

22:16:41 ascii_field: i used to wear a 3dvisor for a living.

22:16:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8185 @ 0.00071423 = 5.846 BTC [+] {3}

22:16:46 mircea_popescu: it can be 60 dpi, as long as it's 1 cu m

22:16:46 ascii_field: it isn't fun.

22:16:56 mircea_popescu: no. the "3d visor" is still 2d.

22:17:09 ascii_field: was a high-end silicongraphics thing

22:17:14 mircea_popescu: doesn't matter.

22:17:29 mircea_popescu: i mean it, actual 3d display.

22:17:56 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

22:18:01 ascii_field: to walk around it ?

22:18:04 mircea_popescu: they can use magnetics to create tiny refraction surfaces in mid air

22:18:08 mircea_popescu: YES!

22:18:25 mircea_popescu: so i could fucking think WITH a computer for once.

22:18:58 ascii_field: over the years i conceived of several designs for such a thing. because i, too, wanted one.

22:19:13 ascii_field: but strictly the kind mircea_popescu describes - with true three-axis box

22:19:26 mircea_popescu: none of that fake "3d in 2d" bs. actual 3d display. i need an[other] electric car like i need another hairdo.

22:19:32 mircea_popescu: THIS is what's needed.

22:19:52 ascii_field: i did realize, though, that there is nothing to connect it to.

22:20:15 mircea_popescu: lisp machine.

22:20:32 *: mircea_popescu would like to say THAT web2.0. the proper one. "cube webpages"

22:21:29 mircea_popescu: anyway. magnetic bottle exists, there's no fucking excuse. not like any sort of quantum leap is required. just index and miniaturize.

22:21:33 ascii_field: only thing is, when viewing text i need it to be opaque.

22:21:35 ascii_field: 100% opaque.

22:21:41 ascii_field: otherwise it is like reading on plastic bag.

22:21:48 mircea_popescu: aha.

22:22:04 mircea_popescu: look : if it can keep gas in, it should be able to keep light out

22:22:49 ascii_field: this design approach makes hot fusion look easy.

22:23:09 ascii_field: realize, nothing in, e.g., a tokamak, is ever dense enough to become anything like opaque.

22:23:11 mircea_popescu: the real problem here is that ... well... no rich people left. nobody to say "fuck you, either make this and you get one trillion, or i spend a trillion torturing your families. you have one year."

22:24:16 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: see also http://www.loper-os.org/?p=35

22:24:18 assbot: Loper OS » The Glove Box ... ( http://bit.ly/1KNirR7 )

22:24:35 ascii_field: very old turd i wrote

22:25:09 pete_dushenski: http://imgur.com/a/VMbQ7 << turkmeni curio

22:25:10 assbot: Turkmenistan - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1KNizQE )

22:25:58 ascii_field: 'In the marble streets of Ashgabat, we soon grow a bit tired and sweaty. In theory, we could rest a bit inside one of the many bus stops, designed to be air-conditioned. The air-conditioning has stopped working, so instead they are now glass ovens where you can bake yourself. We decide to wait outside. ' << orc win !

22:31:55 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261775 <<

22:31:55 assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 20:13:18; ascii_field: or 10,001 other exercises of his would-be pashtunism

22:32:04 mircea_popescu: !s rotherham

22:32:05 assbot: 7 results for 'rotherham' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=rotherham

22:32:24 mircea_popescu: sore starfish alright.

22:33:16 mircea_popescu: ascii_field: they happily send their sons to army so they can 'die for a fat bitch's right to marry her dog' << wow. that, right there, is more valuable to orlov's employer than orlov's entire body of work to date. mebbe you get job offers nao.

22:33:37 *: mircea_popescu fantasises at the dystopia where alf writes PR for a living.

22:33:55 mircea_popescu: !gettrust joecool

22:33:58 assbot: Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user joecool: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 3 via 5 connections. | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=mircea_popescu&to=joecool | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/joecool/

22:34:30 phf: kindle solves specific problem of my eyes getting tired of staring at backlit screen

22:34:47 mircea_popescu: phf other solution to that is to kill the backlight.

22:35:18 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261798 << ah, nuttin wrong with that. but the l1 is more active an affair.

22:35:18 assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 20:21:03; joecool: I don't speak too often in here, but I do like to keep up with things

22:36:01 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261999 << l0l i stole the text from mircea_popescu

22:36:01 assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 22:33:16; mircea_popescu: ascii_field: they happily send their sons to army so they can 'die for a fat bitch's right to marry her dog' << wow. that, right there, is more valuable to orlov's employer than orlov's entire body of work to date. mebbe you get job offers nao.

22:36:12 ascii_field: !s marry her dog

22:36:13 assbot: 2 results for 'marry her dog' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=marry+her+dog

22:36:29 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261807 << once man starts thinking strategically, all sorts of patterns emerge huh

22:36:29 assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 20:28:51; trinque: seems you could draw us back into the middle east, meanwhile hit us economically like china seems to be doing, and that's it

22:36:38 mircea_popescu: ascii_field wut ? i said that ?

22:36:46 ascii_field: apparently

22:36:48 mircea_popescu: hahaha

22:37:01 mircea_popescu: ok, ladies and gents, this here is what narcissism actually is, at its peak.

22:37:18 mircea_popescu: i like my shit so much!

22:37:22 ascii_field: lulz

22:37:33 ascii_field: i'm pretty sure i have done this.

22:37:45 mircea_popescu: no but i meant metaphorically

22:38:06 phf: mircea_popescu: how do i kill a backlight?

22:38:08 ascii_field: 'this is spiffy, i wish i'd written it' - 'waitasec, i did write it'

22:38:25 mircea_popescu: ascii_field :p

22:38:38 mircea_popescu: phf this screen rightnao i have at 6300K and 0.375 gamma

22:38:42 mircea_popescu: it's a pleasure.

22:38:51 ascii_field: phf: what do you have that is readable without a backlight?

22:39:20 phf: ascii_field: kindle

22:39:28 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: unless you have a 'eizo' or 'barco', those numbers have very tenuous relation to physical reality

22:39:41 ascii_field: but are more like the dial of a washing machine

22:39:44 mircea_popescu: the 6300K thing is WAY more important than anyone realises. and cutting down on the gamma helps loads.

22:39:52 mircea_popescu: ascii_field this is a lg

22:40:05 ascii_field: i tend to run even 'redder'

22:40:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33050 @ 0.00070452 = 23.2844 BTC [-]

22:40:23 mircea_popescu: aha. blue is the fatiguer. and, of course, goes without saying, small fonts.

22:42:35 kakobrekla: so 'blue light makes you more alert' or someshit science is bogus?

22:42:54 mircea_popescu: more alert and more tired correlate anyway

22:43:17 mircea_popescu: anyway, i have nfi what "alert" means. but fatigue is defined.

22:43:31 joecool: overstimulation leads to fatigue/exhaustion sort of thing"

22:43:38 kakobrekla: some go as far as to treat jetlag with that

22:43:55 mircea_popescu: none of the bitches that tan are as alert as the bitches that don't.

22:43:57 mircea_popescu: so dunno.

22:44:41 mircea_popescu: joecool turns out people have very different tolerances to far-blue and UV. it's a function of the quality of filtering they got which is mostly genetics.

22:46:16 mircea_popescu: anyway, as a rule of thumb, the bluer a light runs the cheaper it is and the shittier too. as phillips' been driving its crusade to replace all lights with shittier lights to complete the precious indications given at the 18th plenary of the permanent comission of the central committee of the economic planning bureau

22:46:53 mircea_popescu: it'd be expected that the central authority for communication and propaganda pumps out supporting evidence through its respective organs

22:48:27 joecool: !up ascii_field

22:50:00 phf: i've over optimized in the direction of making kindle work for me, but it is like looking through peephole. i solve the whole branching problem by relying on their notes feature: whatever you select on kindle gets saved to a text file that gets copied into my notes during sync. correspondingly my article saving mechanism converts all links to title (url) form, so i can follow up when on desktop

22:50:37 phf: now that i verbalize it, it's totally a programmer rabbit hole, probably should've just fixed my monitor..

22:51:23 BingoBoingo: https://i.imgur.com/6tvB8Q3.png

22:51:23 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KNm3CO )

22:53:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30600 @ 0.00071446 = 21.8625 BTC [+]

22:53:40 joecool: we run 2750K incandescent bulbs in my office

22:55:06 mircea_popescu: phf i think 2/3 of the benefit regulars derive from being here is this sort of thing

22:55:59 mircea_popescu: great retort BingoBoingo

22:56:14 mircea_popescu: this is so typical of fucktard on a mission. "science is bad mkay" except if anyone disagrees with "what is your degree".

22:56:21 BingoBoingo: Just found it online searching the hotsheets.

22:56:29 mircea_popescu: because hey, nothing beats living in TWO DIFFERENT parallel if entirely imaginary universes.

22:58:37 BingoBoingo: https://www.insidehighered.com/quicktakes/2015/09/03/harvard-will-let-students-select-pronouns << Can't wait for the student who selects fuck, piss, shit, and cunt as their pronoun set

22:58:40 assbot: Harvard Will Let Students Select Pronouns | InsideHigherEd ... ( http://bit.ly/1KNn1yH )

23:05:07 BingoBoingo: !up ghtdak

23:11:51 fluffypony: http://www.coindesk.com/african-remittance-beam-drops-bitcoin-pivot/

23:11:51 assbot: African Remittance Firm Beam Stops Bitcoin Service in Pivot ... ( http://bit.ly/1KNoK78 )

23:12:37 fluffypony: so I've literally been saying for ages that Africa is far from ready to "embrace" Bitcoin, and half the continent won't want it anyway, but nooooo, nobody listens to me, they all want to shovel Bitcoin down Africa's throat

23:13:26 shinohai: r/bitcoin wants to shove BTC down everyone's throat.

23:13:32 fluffypony: yeah

23:13:36 fluffypony: *ADOPTION*!

23:14:25 shinohai: They are like undertakers reading morning obituaries, hoping to find a failing economy to rescue.

23:14:43 shinohai: For whatever reason.

23:18:01 cazalla: fluffypony, you don't want black africans to have bitcoin, you rascally racist

23:18:11 fluffypony: rahzizt

23:18:36 fluffypony: cazalla: it's not even me, Africans don't want Bitcoin because they're quite happy dealing in cash and not paying tax

23:22:08 shinohai: Africa: https://i.imgur.com/hEaFeKp.jpg

23:22:08 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JFi6Oc )

23:22:13 BingoBoingo: http://0.media.dorkly.cvcdn.com/60/94/2c4f7c1e69f3dd5003d473e32626c54e.gif

23:22:15 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JFi8Wl )

23:34:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5453 @ 0.00071446 = 3.896 BTC [+]

23:35:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48767 @ 0.0007165 = 34.9416 BTC [+] {5}

23:43:41 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260745 << missed the boat on fats though

23:43:41 assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 02:47:29; mircea_popescu: trinque i'll give you an extra lol. recently the source of the "salt is bad mkay", ie the ustardemia, came out with an admission of the fraudulent nature of that entire swathe of "research". this however has not yet reached the latino "scientists" who mostly exist through translating things and pretending.

23:48:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30900 @ 0.00071589 = 22.121 BTC [-]

23:55:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69724 @ 0.0007175 = 50.027 BTC [+] {3}

23:58:04 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261404 << so are you, like, bar mitzvah'd ?

23:58:04 assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 11:35:05; shinohai: My "hacks" were mostly to wiring and such. My mother, in her nasally Jewish voice, always swore I was going to "burn myself alive in my car"

23:58:39 pete_dushenski: to my ear at least, 'shinohai' always sounded japanese

23:59:28 pete_dushenski: 'the other j-meat'

23:59:46 pete_dushenski: (jamaicas is other-other-)