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00:22:06 nubbins`: http://imgur.com/a/9C8pq nsfw

00:22:06 assbot: What a glorious time to be alive - Imgur

00:25:24 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Who is that?

00:25:32 nubbins`: some guy

00:25:48 nubbins`: looks 3d printed, custom job i'm assuming

00:31:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11340 @ 0.00074551 = 8.4541 BTC [+]

00:32:51 BingoBoingo: lol

00:32:55 BingoBoingo: !up jborkl

00:33:37 jborkl: Good evening

00:34:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1256 @ 0.00057945 = 0.7278 BTC [+]

00:46:18 BingoBoingo: Evening

00:51:45 assbot: [MPEX] [D.BTGO] 12 @ 0.0524997 = 0.63 BTC

00:52:25 mircea_popescu: damn this kbd is falling apart.

00:52:28 mircea_popescu: i've destroyed so many...

00:52:48 kakobrekla: get a model m?

00:53:06 mircea_popescu: i guess yeah

00:53:21 mircea_popescu: tbh i kinda like destroying kbds. strokes my immortality delusion.

00:53:55 kakobrekla: perhaps there are better things to destroy

00:54:07 mircea_popescu: i destroy those, too.

01:01:03 asciilifeform: 'model m' can only really be destroyed with power tools.

01:01:12 asciilifeform: or perhaps axe.

01:01:38 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i sometimes rage.

01:01:48 asciilifeform: also great to rage with. steel bottom.

01:01:52 asciilifeform: can break other objects.

01:02:02 mircea_popescu: well yeah but a chino kbd is 10 bux.,

01:02:08 mircea_popescu: other objects... not so much

01:02:21 asciilifeform: 'model m', secondhand, perhaps 20. (usually they need a day worth of cleaning through)

01:02:38 mircea_popescu: 2*24th hand model m, 20 bux

01:02:54 mircea_popescu: explosive congestive polio, priceless.

01:03:32 mircea_popescu: and if i use it to cut a hole in my wall ima need a new wall.

01:04:01 kakobrekla: excuses

01:04:12 mircea_popescu: i admeet.

01:04:12 asciilifeform: good compromise - 'northgate' kbd.

01:04:14 asciilifeform: i've one in this room

01:04:19 asciilifeform: and has kosher f-keys.

01:04:26 mircea_popescu: my current device is SOL Tech

01:04:41 asciilifeform: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d2/OmniKey_ULTRA.JPG

01:04:52 mircea_popescu: pretty much only english layout kbd i could find here.

01:04:54 kakobrekla: ever used topre ?

01:05:39 []bot: Bet placed: 999 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment" http://bitbet.us/bet/786/ Odds: 29(Y):71(N) by coin, 47(Y):53(N) by weight. Total bet: 3817.19563162 BTC. Current weight: 40,234.

01:05:51 kakobrekla: lolwat

01:06:12 Duffer1: ok then

01:06:37 kakobrekla: also []bot is still broked, missing bets

01:07:43 penguirker: New blog post: http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-magical-clave-de-identificacion/

01:07:47 asciilifeform: 'In the world of gourmet keyboards, the Topre key switch is widely considered to be the Holy Grail. Some have even made love to their Topre?s? '

01:07:53 asciilifeform: ( http://www.bytecellar.com/2011/08/07/an-apparent-keyboard-geek-finally-learns-to-type )

01:07:54 assbot: An Apparent Keyboard Geek Finally Learns to Type | Byte Cellar

01:09:46 kakobrekla: have you used it ascii?

01:10:55 asciilifeform: negative.

01:11:20 mircea_popescu: whoa

01:11:30 kakobrekla: the tx?

01:11:35 kakobrekla: its cumin from mpex

01:11:41 mircea_popescu: lol so basically bitbet is now sitting pretty on 30-40 btc unearned income ?

01:12:11 kakobrekla: at least bci sez so

01:12:11 kakobrekla: https://blockchain.info/tx/cefd947f657dcb436a56e1c7fa62a0f38daa7ff0057fb1fc354bfdbbc0e98c31

01:12:11 assbot: Bitcoin Transaction cefd947f657dcb436a56e1c7fa62a0f38daa7ff0057fb1fc354bfdbbc0e98c31

01:12:14 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla look at that, it is.

01:14:05 mircea_popescu: split in 1/999 too

01:16:45 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> lol so basically bitbet is now sitting pretty on 30-40 btc unearned income ? << Just imagine if people decided to fuck with BitBet by using referal links and cut that to 15 - 20

01:16:59 mircea_popescu: not possibru anymoar.

01:17:12 mircea_popescu: they can only cut future revenue/unearned incomes

01:17:45 mircea_popescu: o look, cloudflare is failing to protect blockchain.info and claiming the problem resides with blockchain info.

01:17:48 mircea_popescu: such assholes. wow.

01:18:30 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> they can only cut future revenue/unearned incomes << Right, the move to cut referalls from all of a bet's rake to part of it was solid

01:18:53 mircea_popescu: no, it's just, the bets that are already in are already in, referrals already paid and accounted for.

01:19:44 BingoBoingo: I know, but I mean in the future where every scam site tries to Raep BitBet referrals because it pays better than advertising

01:19:44 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 3817.19563162 * [market-last]

01:19:45 gribble: Error: "market-last" is not a valid command.

01:19:50 mircea_popescu: hows that go

01:20:03 mircea_popescu: he let em

01:20:03 kakobrekla: ;;calc 3817.19563162 * [ticker --last]

01:20:05 gribble: 1426715.03927

01:20:43 kakobrekla: dun worry, it will be less million soon

01:21:02 mircea_popescu: o look, enough to pay for like... hookers

01:21:04 mircea_popescu: and blow.

01:21:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00074595 = 14.546 BTC [+] {2}

01:21:52 mircea_popescu: i like the guy's style tho. testing bitbet deposit address with one bitcoin!

01:21:54 mircea_popescu: like a baws!

01:24:48 decimation: asciilifeform: neat video

01:29:44 decimation: I use a unicomp on a mac, it lacks the 'f-key' panel on the left

01:29:59 decimation: those keys would be handy in emacs

01:35:43 penguirker: New blog post: http://contravex.com/2014/10/02/thank-your-lucky-trolls/

01:39:21 mircea_popescu: http://blogs.marketwatch.com/thetell/2014/01/14/dogecoin-transactions-outpacing-those-in-bitcoin-heres-why-thats-not-surprising/

01:39:21 assbot: Dogecoin transactions are outpacing those in bitcoin; here's why that's not surprising - The Tell - MarketWatch

01:39:31 mircea_popescu: ahhh, nothing quite like a little bit of historical, failed shilling.

01:39:40 mircea_popescu: fuck you, marketwatch. how's that egg on your face ?

01:41:41 mircea_popescu: is it me or is pete_d on a roll ?

01:42:00 decimation: press organs are about as accountable as usg 'leaders'

01:42:39 mircea_popescu: in that the difference is nigligible

01:42:42 mircea_popescu: with i from nigglet.

01:44:32 decimation: here is an example of them holding each other accountable http://dailycaller.com/2014/10/02/obama-attacks-fox-news-in-northwestern-speech/

01:44:32 assbot: Obama Attacks Fox News In Northwestern Speech | The Daily Caller

01:44:47 decimation: "“But I have laid out my ideas to create more jobs and grow more wages,” Obama told students at Northwestern University following a high-dollar fundraiser for Illinois Gov. Pat Quinn. ”A true opposition party should have the courage to lay out theirs. There’s a reason fewer Republicans are preaching doom on deficits – because they’re now manageable.”"

01:45:09 mircea_popescu: hahaha

01:45:10 decimation: fox news' biggest mistake is covering this guy at all

01:45:28 mircea_popescu: no dude it's funny

01:45:30 BingoBoingo: He's on a role

01:45:43 mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/bBJmK6O.gif << cat managing deficits.

01:46:10 thickasthieves: <+[]bot> Bet placed: 999 BTC for No //// !!!!

01:46:27 decimation: 'lunatic leftie derps to young idiots', click here to learn more

01:46:50 mircea_popescu: in what sense is obama left anyway ?

01:47:11 decimation: well, I guess he's in favor of growing the bureaucracy

01:47:19 mircea_popescu: that's left ?

01:47:36 mircea_popescu: actually, the better question being, what IS left anymore anyway.

01:47:51 mircea_popescu: seems totally bankrupt ideology. intellectually, practically... what's it stand for anymore ?

01:47:57 decimation: well, I would suggest that the left has so utterly dominated for so long that they have become a cartoon of themselves

01:48:14 thickasthieves: i have a feeling this berksire bet will be legendary past our years

01:48:20 mircea_popescu: more like, the derpage in charge has been nominally identified as "left" for so long.

01:48:45 decimation: I guess the ideological leftists are nominally in favor of the derps

01:48:46 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves actually, it's quite possible it's the only thing that'l even be remembered

01:49:02 mircea_popescu: sort-of like nobody remembers glbse, or bitcoin magazine, or w/e other derpage went on in the 2012s.

01:49:05 thickasthieves: so who's putting another 1k on Yes?

01:49:41 mircea_popescu: the thing with that is... people have waited for a while. as a result the sides are weight-unbalanced. the seed 1k on yes has a 100k weight whereas current bets only get 40k

01:49:50 mircea_popescu: whereas the recent 2.5k on no have 40k weight.

01:49:53 mircea_popescu: or 45 w/e

01:50:06 mircea_popescu: so the pool is like 123mn to 100mn.

01:50:16 decimation: it'll be awesome of btc/usd goes up another leg in the next few months and that bet becomes bigger than whatsapp

01:50:20 mircea_popescu: which btw... i wonder if one day the dollar value of bets will be < the pool values :D

01:50:26 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> actually, the better question being, what IS left anymore anyway. << Honestly as an alternative to fleeing the US staying back to oversee partitioning is becoming an attractive option

01:50:43 mircea_popescu: "oversee".

01:50:50 mircea_popescu: that's like what, overseeing the flood ?

01:50:55 thickasthieves: or the mines

01:51:09 mircea_popescu: decimation totally lol. if btc runs up to say 800 that no;ll need a shitload o' hedgin'.

01:51:40 thickasthieves: and/or if BRKA corrects

01:51:59 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Basically taking pictures, recording the lulz

01:52:09 decimation: BingoBoingo: except you are basically propsing that you want to surf the wave of terror to power

01:52:15 decimation: works out for some, not so much for otheres

01:52:58 thickasthieves: i have 5btc at 100k weight on Yes

01:53:33 decimation: at $800 the total bet is worth $3 mil

01:54:11 BingoBoingo: decimation: Nah, maybe I just want to see the world burn? I've got a camera. I've got a tent. By oversee I don't mean taking control, but documenting the absence of control for great lulz.

01:55:08 decimation: sure, sounds like fun. maybe we can 'mad max' together over the western wastes

01:55:27 BingoBoingo: Maybe?

01:55:38 BingoBoingo: One can't exactly oversee entropy in the same way one oversaw order on the plantations

01:56:27 decimation: http://www.virtualapple.org/oregontraildisk.html

01:56:27 assbot: Virtual Apple 2 - Online disk archive -- Oregon Trail

01:59:18 nubbins`: i didn't bet on brk-a

02:00:08 thickasthieves: i have a small bet on the other side too

02:00:54 nubbins`: my imaginary money is on no

02:01:27 nubbins`: s.mg bet cleared, trying to think of ways to make next one more interesting

02:02:20 thickasthieves: S.anything will have any sort of revenue

02:02:30 thickasthieves: sry

02:02:40 thickasthieves: mg or nsa

02:02:59 nubbins`: well i don't really have an s.nsa stock warrant sitting idle

02:03:57 thickasthieves: no stock for tshirts program?

02:04:36 nubbins`: simple job, no need to complicate w/ warrants

02:09:16 thickasthieves: http://www.heraldonline.com/2014/10/02/6384852_butterfly-labs-statement-on-the.html

02:09:16 assbot: Local news from Rock Hill, SC | The Herald

02:09:37 thickasthieves: they are repopening after talks with FTC

02:09:51 nubbins`: "labeling of the company as bogus and scammers"

02:09:58 nubbins`: your company is bogus and scammers!

02:13:10 dub: no you is

02:16:19 kakobrekla: http://gizmodo.com/self-destructing-ssds-will-nuke-themselves-if-you-text-1640733628

02:16:20 assbot: Self-Destructing SSDs Will Nuke Themselves If You Text Them a Code Word

02:16:21 kakobrekla: heh

02:19:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 213 @ 0.00280001 = 0.5964 BTC [-] {3}

02:20:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.00074327 = 10.9261 BTC [-]

02:21:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 95 @ 0.01079757 = 1.0258 BTC [-] {3}

02:26:56 mats_cd03: why does freenode suck so much

02:27:59 mats_cd03: i've been forced to reconnect five or six times in the last three weeks

02:28:19 kakobrekla: totally unacceptable

02:28:23 mats_cd03: failing marks for bad uptime mates

02:28:24 kakobrekla: for a free service

02:28:30 kakobrekla: better ask your money back

02:34:19 mats_cd03: i'm glad we're on the same page

02:38:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19600 @ 0.00074327 = 14.5681 BTC [-]

02:45:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36864 @ 0.00074326 = 27.3995 BTC [-] {2}

02:46:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2354 @ 0.00074146 = 1.7454 BTC [-]

02:51:39 BingoBoingo: %t

02:51:41 atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 180 Ask: 200 Last Price: 266 24h-Vol: 1k High: 266 Low: 266 VWAP: 266

02:55:06 BingoBoingo: Much lulz http://www.dailystormer.com/what-i-learned-from-my-time-in-prison/

02:55:07 assbot: What I Learned from My Time in Prison | Daily Stormer

03:41:12 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: plenty of ?orns!

03:41:29 asciilifeform: (or were they ?orns?)

03:41:52 *: asciilifeform blows dust off 'intro to norse'

03:42:00 BingoBoingo: Oh many many things.

03:43:32 Dimsler: BingoBoingo, thats a good read

03:49:30 decimation: odin doth frown upon the state of norway

03:50:28 Dimsler: 18 days in jail

03:50:34 Dimsler: for doing 50km/h over the limit

03:50:39 Dimsler: in norway

03:50:40 Dimsler: btw

03:50:42 asciilifeform: O?in.

03:51:16 asciilifeform: Dimsler: to even own car in No, you have to be genuinely and truly loaded.

03:51:46 Dimsler: all those germanic places creap me the fuck out

03:51:53 Dimsler: as much as i love swedish girls

03:52:01 Dimsler: the nords are just on another planet

03:52:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8591 @ 0.00074248 = 6.3786 BTC [+]

03:52:55 Dimsler: not too sure how this hick from the ozarks is relating himself to anytype of nord valhalla anything

03:56:29 mircea_popescu: !up DanielKrawisz

03:56:51 BingoBoingo: Dimsler: My understanding of it is that in US prisons Scandanavian lore is appropriated so as to be "Whiter than the Brits"

03:57:00 DanielKrawisz: Oh, hello.

03:57:05 mircea_popescu: I've got a camera. I've got a tent. << lmao what an attitude

03:57:15 DanielKrawisz: I don't understand IRC very well. I'm trying to get into the WOT.

03:57:28 Dimsler: oh no

03:57:28 mircea_popescu: where was that wiki link

03:57:32 Dimsler: you have to get into WOW first

03:57:34 Dimsler: and make a character

03:57:37 mircea_popescu: !s first steps

03:57:37 assbot: 112 results for 'first steps' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=first+steps

03:57:54 DanielKrawisz: Thanks, I'm trying to follow this. http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets

03:57:55 assbot: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]

03:57:58 mircea_popescu: right.

03:58:32 Dimsler: lol

03:58:39 Dimsler: what the fuck is the nakamatoinstitute?

03:58:49 Dimsler: seriously are you going to be preaching the satoshibible here?

03:59:17 mircea_popescu: heraldonline ?!

03:59:30 BingoBoingo: <Dimsler> what the fuck is the nakamatoinstitute? << Recent college kids playing with the idea of an online museum

03:59:33 DanielKrawisz: There is no satoshi bible.

03:59:37 DanielKrawisz: It's living code.

03:59:45 Dimsler: oh like the matrix?

04:00:00 mircea_popescu: DanielKrawisz this "reddit should build on bitcoin" stuff is lulzy.

04:00:07 mircea_popescu: reddit isn't there to build something useful.

04:00:18 Dimsler: i know

04:00:19 DanielKrawisz: Basically, we started out as an econ discussion group at a university called the Mises Circle, but then I got everyone talking almost exclusively about bitcoin.

04:00:21 mircea_popescu: reddit is there to try and leech something if at all possible. sort-of like an online hot topic.

04:00:37 decimation: BingoBoingo: I suspect that some degree of 'white power' in prision is 'us v. them'

04:00:38 DanielKrawisz: And then we were like, "Wouldn't it be hilarious if we started the Satoshi Nakamoto Institute?" for a while and then we stopped making jokes about it and just did it.

04:00:39 Dimsler: reddit is built off cat pictures and gonewild

04:00:50 Dimsler: its a source of amusement, entertainment, and misinformation

04:00:59 DanielKrawisz: Yeah, I think reddit doesn't quite understand what they're doing.

04:01:06 mircea_popescu: <mats_cd03> why does freenode suck so much << because they essentially gave up ? just riding things as they are into the night, as it were.

04:01:21 Dimsler: a pascification of the proletariat

04:01:35 Dimsler: DanielKrawisz, they fully understand what they are doing

04:02:01 DanielKrawisz: Oh, they are doing a deliberate pump and dump?

04:02:19 Dimsler: no

04:02:31 Dimsler: they are doing what cryptographics has made popular

04:02:35 Dimsler: there own digital currency

04:02:40 mircea_popescu: <Dimsler> seriously are you going to be preaching the satoshibible here? <<< unlike 99% of the derps derping about bitcoin, i don't recall these folks saying anything infuriatingly stupid.

04:03:14 DanielKrawisz: Oh yeah, we always complain about the stupidity over in our group too.

04:03:16 Dimsler: mircea_popescu, he called it the nakamoto institute

04:03:21 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> I've got a camera. I've got a tent. << lmao what an attitude << Given the alternatives in Usaschwitz, that Thompson guy found an interesting defense against the Feds with his selectively unreliable narration.

04:03:23 Dimsler: how is that not initself infuriating

04:03:26 mircea_popescu: so what's in a name.

04:03:47 mircea_popescu: i dunno, it doesn't get me. it doesn't have bit into it.

04:04:05 Dimsler: ugh

04:04:05 mircea_popescu: if it were the nakabit insticoin it'd have been more annoying. course also lulzier.

04:04:20 mircea_popescu: especially if the bad instigation puns started flowing.,

04:04:22 DanielKrawisz: Well we wanted to use that name because we agreed that a lot of the bitcoin world was trying to downplay him.

04:04:22 Dimsler: people that put bit or coin into anything should be publically flogged

04:04:39 mircea_popescu: you mean cryptopublically bitflogged ?

04:04:47 DanielKrawisz: Hahaha

04:04:47 Dimsler: DanielKrawisz, because cryptographics was not invented by him

04:05:05 Dimsler: and cryptographic based currencies and other online currencies have been around since digicash

04:05:07 Dimsler: which was like 1989

04:05:08 mircea_popescu: DanielKrawisz that's unavoidable. it's the nature of the ignorant twerps making up the us horde, to overplay their own narcisism against history.

04:05:15 DanielKrawisz: Digicash is very different from bitcoin.

04:05:23 mircea_popescu: i'm surprised nobody's yet acting as if they invented hitler, back in iowa or something

04:05:30 DanielKrawisz: It's a money substitute, like a bank note. I'm writing a paper on this stuff now.

04:05:34 mircea_popescu: Dimsler get outta here.

04:05:38 Dimsler: lol

04:05:45 mircea_popescu: this is like saying cars have been around since 1600 because oxcarts.

04:05:56 DanielKrawisz: Haha, indeed.

04:06:11 mircea_popescu: there is exactly zero continuity between bitcoin and all the idiotic derpage prior.

04:06:15 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: surprised nobody's yet acting as if they invented hitler << americans used to. huey p. long was supposed to be 'original hitler'

04:06:17 Dimsler: DanielKrawisz, can you write about how satoshi didn't understand economics and based his theory on murray rothbards teachings

04:06:31 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform right you are, huh.

04:06:45 mircea_popescu: Dimsler wouldja stop trying to drive people into a wall deliberately.

04:06:55 DanielKrawisz: Then there were some proposals for digital collectibles; b-money, RPOW, and bit gold. Those things were an important step forward, but RPOW was the only one ever implemented, and it didn't take off. I don't think they would have worked. Bitcoin fixed a lot of stuff that they got wrong.

04:06:55 Dimsler: lol ok ok

04:07:27 mircea_popescu: yeah, like, penicillin fixed a lot of stuff shaman cures got wrong.

04:07:44 mircea_popescu: let's be clear here : wanting something, no matter how intensively, is NOT grounds for relation with the thing once made.

04:07:51 Dimsler: DanielKrawisz, quantitative monetary theory

04:07:54 Dimsler: i'll leave that with you

04:07:57 *: asciilifeform has yet to meet a p2p derpatronics experimented from '95-'05 era who -didn't- have own secret pseudo-bitcoin at the time

04:07:59 Dimsler: to dwell on

04:07:59 mircea_popescu: this is the difference between invention and daydreaming, something my mother explained to me when i was like 6

04:08:06 asciilifeform: *experimenter

04:08:11 mircea_popescu: and i wanted to know if when someone invents something, they have to also say how it's to be made

04:08:30 DanielKrawisz: Well Bitcoin used a lot of elements and ideas from the digital collectibles, so I think there is some continutity, but it's very innovative too.

04:08:34 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you mean then, or now ?

04:08:39 asciilifeform: then.

04:08:44 mircea_popescu: DanielKrawisz zero elements. i challenge you, list one such

04:08:45 asciilifeform: and in very dire cases - now

04:08:45 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform bs.

04:09:00 DanielKrawisz: Ok Dimsler

04:09:11 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: surprised nobody's yet acting as if they invented hitler << americans used to. huey p. long was supposed to be 'original hitler' << Long himself had a prototype in William Jennings Bryant

04:09:30 Dimsler: i thought chaplin was the original hitler?

04:09:30 mircea_popescu: i dunno what huey long is supposed to be other than a sort of us peron.

04:09:33 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: mr mold fessed up to having had something in that vein. and at one point i did. (neither very interesting)

04:09:34 Dimsler: moustache and all

04:09:46 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what;'s the meaning of "in that vein" ?

04:09:56 mircea_popescu: because in 1985 i had something "in the vein" of the ipad.

04:10:04 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: attempt at solving basic problem of the 'martian bank'

04:10:05 mircea_popescu: needless to say... i'm no twinkletwerps.

04:10:08 asciilifeform: !s martian bank

04:10:09 assbot: 0 results for 'martian bank' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=martian+bank

04:10:10 mircea_popescu: attempt ? orly ?

04:10:17 asciilifeform: hm

04:10:24 asciilifeform: !s lunar bank

04:10:24 assbot: 0 results for 'lunar bank' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=lunar+bank

04:10:24 mircea_popescu: well done. you know who else ? some guy at the time of the invention of the wheel

04:10:26 asciilifeform: damn

04:10:48 mircea_popescu: attempts are no qualification. i attempted to prove fermat's theorem, too

04:10:56 Dimsler: i could probably argue that humanity would be far better off if they hadn't invented the wheel

04:10:57 asciilifeform: that was precisely the kind of thing meant.

04:10:59 mircea_popescu: does not mean i had something in the vein of the complex set theory that eventualy did it.

04:11:00 Dimsler: probably even happier too

04:11:21 asciilifeform: just observing that a mathematically-inclined boy is of course going to try to prove flt.

04:11:26 mircea_popescu: sure.

04:11:36 mircea_popescu: o also, i attempted to bring a dead girl back.

04:11:42 mircea_popescu: which i guess makes me something in the vein of jesus ?

04:11:46 Dimsler: hey thats possible now

04:11:51 asciilifeform: how dead ?

04:11:54 Dimsler: i heard 16hrs after the heart stops beating

04:11:59 Dimsler: if you cool down the body

04:12:01 mircea_popescu: Dimsler not after her blood's sorted by weight

04:12:04 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ^ that dead.

04:12:07 asciilifeform: lol

04:12:12 asciilifeform: parachute didn't open ?

04:12:21 mircea_popescu: long story.

04:12:33 *: asciilifeform would probably enjoy this story

04:12:49 mircea_popescu: when we're in prison, if we end up in the same cell, gladly.

04:12:49 DanielKrawisz: You can read my paper when it's done.

04:12:54 asciilifeform: lol

04:13:03 mircea_popescu: DanielKrawisz link it here, someone prolly will.

04:13:07 Dimsler: DanielKrawisz, are you on here via mobile device?

04:13:15 DanielKrawisz: No, why?

04:13:23 Dimsler: nothing just wondering

04:13:28 mircea_popescu: cause he doesn't understand how ip allocation works.

04:13:49 Dimsler: lol no?

04:14:21 Dimsler: could easily be on wifi

04:14:23 mircea_popescu: Dimsler seen a lot of mobile devices on times warner cable ?

04:14:42 Dimsler: he could have a router at home, and talking on his ipad

04:14:48 mircea_popescu: sure.

04:14:50 Dimsler: he was capitalizing each fresh sentence

04:14:52 Dimsler: hence why i asked

04:15:18 mircea_popescu: That's just good interneting!

04:16:19 decimation: !up DanielKrawisz_

04:16:37 DanielKrawisz_: Oh dang it.

04:16:43 DanielKrawisz_: Well I guess I'll have to complete the process later.

04:17:08 mircea_popescu: DanielKrawisz_ you know this julia turianski chick ?

04:17:19 DanielKrawisz_: Never heard of her.

04:17:26 Dimsler: lol

04:17:30 Dimsler: surprise surprise

04:17:41 mircea_popescu: a ok.

04:18:03 mircea_popescu: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/daniel-krawisz/21/bb1/323 << you know that's like, the worst cv i ever saw on linkedin btw ?

04:18:33 DanielKrawisz_: Oh, she did 26 ways to be a bitcoin hater?

04:18:36 DanielKrawisz_: Yeah, that was pretty funny.

04:18:53 DanielKrawisz_: What's wrong with my linkedin cv?

04:18:56 mircea_popescu: fellow canuckian, thinks she knows everybody.

04:19:15 Dimsler: no hes texan

04:19:20 Dimsler: hes just behind his colo now

04:19:21 mircea_popescu: o you gotta be kidding me. videogame developer 2012-2012, "research director" at nowhere, 2014-onwards ?

04:19:28 mircea_popescu: dja have any idea how that looks to business eyes ?

04:19:37 DanielKrawisz_: No, I've never done any business.

04:19:40 decimation: yeah um is that a paid position?

04:19:54 Dimsler: none of these look like paid anything

04:20:26 Dimsler: I teach bitcoiners about the implications of Bitcoin so as to alter their behavior in a way that improves the overall health of the Bitcoin network.

04:20:34 Dimsler: lol can you teach us?

04:20:53 Dimsler: i thirst for knowledge about how to keep my monies healthy

04:21:27 DanielKrawisz_: Are you just trying to get in an argument with me or something?

04:21:34 mircea_popescu: which one of us ?

04:22:01 DanielKrawisz_: Dimsler, sorry.

04:22:33 mircea_popescu: i think he's just being jadedly nihilistic.

04:22:46 DanielKrawisz_: Oh ok. Well good for him.

04:23:12 mircea_popescu: meh, that thing's like humour. works a lot better if unexpected.

04:23:19 Dimsler: hey i'd burn everything

04:23:21 Dimsler: down to the ground

04:23:39 Dimsler: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-M4WXov2lM

04:23:39 assbot: Down to the gwound - YouTube

04:23:39 mircea_popescu: fucking on a pile of ash is unconducive.

04:26:09 mircea_popescu: DanielKrawisz_ anyway, get into wot so i can rate you so you can selfvoice

04:26:45 decimation: DanielKrawisz_: I'm kinda serious, how do you make money 'researching bitcoin'? people gotta eat right?

04:27:07 Dimsler: DanielKrawisz_, you have been an academic for 15yrs?

04:27:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 50 @ 0.01079964 = 0.54 BTC [-] {3}

04:27:51 mircea_popescu: decimation unless he's married, he doesn't actually have to ever work in the us. you know this, right ?

04:28:41 Dimsler: i'm not sure if some of these articles contain the eloquence of someone with a masters in physics

04:28:56 mircea_popescu: "Alternative Right?s Colin Liddell Attacks Andrew Anglin for Defending Robert Ransdell Against RamZPaul 332 comments"

04:29:08 mircea_popescu: holy shit on a stick, 4 people i never heard of ?! and likely nobody has ?

04:29:19 mircea_popescu: incredible.

04:29:29 DanielKrawisz_: ;;eregester DanielKrawisz 26AB 6711 E032 5283 DBC0 C8BA 101B BC10 F86C 4A64

04:29:30 gribble: Error: "eregester" is not a valid command.

04:29:34 decimation: ah you mean the sabu route

04:29:48 DanielKrawisz_: ;;eregister DanielKrawisz 26AB 6711 E032 5283 DBC0 C8BA 101B BC10 F86C 4A64

04:29:48 gribble: Error: '26AB' is not a valid GPG key id. Please use the long form 16 digit key id.

04:30:21 mircea_popescu: "If Kentuckians write-in Robert Ransdell as their choice for Senator in the 2014 election they will support my plan to fix America by pursuing the ..." bla bla bla. write-in candidates for kentucky elections ?! holy shit, it's almost as if... i dunno, my similes fail me. i don't have something for this nonsense.

04:30:27 Dimsler: DanielKrawisz_, can you privately message gribble instead?

04:30:38 mircea_popescu: Dimsler let him be, this way we can help him debug

04:30:41 Duffer1: you can /query gribble

04:30:41 mircea_popescu: DanielKrawisz_ eregIster

04:30:50 mircea_popescu: and no spaces.

04:30:51 DanielKrawisz_: Yeah, I spelled it wrong.

04:30:51 Duffer1: no spaces in key

04:30:56 Dimsler: k

04:31:05 DanielKrawisz_: ;;eregister DanielKrawisz 101BBC10F86C4A64

04:31:09 gribble: Request successful for user DanielKrawisz, hostmask DanielKrawisz_!~quassel@184.75.223.42. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/101BBC10F86C4A64

04:31:57 mircea_popescu: Robert Ransdell is running for U.S. Senate in Kentucky with the campaign slogan 'With Jews We Lose.'

04:31:59 mircea_popescu: o.O

04:32:06 Dimsler: LOL

04:32:08 Dimsler: fuck

04:32:52 mircea_popescu: check out the mfas : http://www.cincinnati.com/ http://www.courier-journal.com/ etc

04:32:56 assbot: Cincinnati Enquirer

04:33:00 assbot: Louisville News, Sports, Business | The Courier-Journal

04:33:24 Dimsler: i can't read american publications

04:33:38 Dimsler: literary filth at best

04:33:48 mircea_popescu: http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/local/florence/2014/09/26/bagelman-bites-back-at-anti-semitic-candidate/16283169/ << total fucking lol of all time.

04:33:50 assbot: Bagelman bites back at anti-semitic candidate

04:34:19 mircea_popescu: "I wanted to reach out to the community," said Marx, who is Catholic. "We had an over-run of challah for the New Year, and we gave them away." << lmao.

04:34:28 mircea_popescu: such smallness. i had no idea there's so much tiny at hand.

04:35:12 decimation: middle america is routinely mocked by the elites on the coasts

04:35:27 mircea_popescu: apparently it's being mocked by the elites abroad, too.

04:35:30 Duffer1: and by reasonable people the world over

04:35:37 mircea_popescu: but seriously, this derp can't stand for middle anything.

04:35:52 decimation: he's a derp, no doubt, highlighted by the local lefties

04:36:16 decimation: kulaks gotta be dekulaked and all

04:36:22 mircea_popescu: the most he could stand for would be perhaps a brand of goth from one particular hs. they were doing hitler that year.

04:37:08 Dimsler: you guys see the irony here right?

04:37:11 Dimsler: his last name is marx

04:37:11 mircea_popescu: "He's a very bad person," said Heidi Beirich, director of the intelligence project at the Southern Poverty Law Center in Montgomery, Ala., which tracks hate groups. << actually, heidi is the bad person here.

04:37:13 decimation: 'nazi' crap is a particular chumpatron that the dumb stumble into

04:37:28 decimation: might as well label themselves "I am a kulak, crush my shit"

04:38:18 DanielKrawisz_: Ok, I got in.

04:38:29 mircea_popescu: ;;ident DanielKrawisz_

04:38:30 gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'DanielKrawisz_', with hostmask 'DanielKrawisz_!~quassel@184.75.223.42', is identified as user 'DanielKrawisz', with GPG key id 101BBC10F86C4A64, key fingerprint 26AB6711E0325283DBC0C8BA101BBC10F86C4A64, and bitcoin address None

04:38:44 decimation: she thinks that her job is to help 'disadvantaged' people but her actual job is to maintain the "no enemies to the left" chumpatron

04:39:40 mircea_popescu: ;;rate DanielKrawisz_ 1 The intersection of the set of people who spent their entire life in academia and the set of people who've not said infuriatingly stupid things about Bitcoin consists so far of one guy.

04:39:40 gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.

04:39:43 mircea_popescu: eh get out.

04:39:59 DanielKrawisz_: Thanks.

04:40:34 decimation: DanielKrawisz_: it didn't work

04:40:39 mircea_popescu: ;;rate DanielKrawisz_ 1 The intersection of the set of people who spent their entire life in academia and the set of people who've not said infuriatingly stupid things about Bitcoin consists so far of one guy.

04:40:39 gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.

04:40:46 decimation: ;;ident DanielKrawisz_

04:40:46 gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'DanielKrawisz_', with hostmask 'DanielKrawisz_!~quassel@184.75.223.42', is identified as user 'DanielKrawisz', with GPG key id 101BBC10F86C4A64, key fingerprint 26AB6711E0325283DBC0C8BA101BBC10F86C4A64, and bitcoin address None

04:40:47 Dimsler: hes not in

04:40:53 mircea_popescu: ;;rate DanielKrawisz 1 The intersection of the set of people who spent their entire life in academia and the set of people who've not said infuriatingly stupid things about Bitcoin consists so far of one guy.

04:40:54 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user DanielKrawisz has been recorded.

04:41:13 DanielKrawisz_: That's quite a complement.

04:41:19 mircea_popescu: DanielKrawisz_ in the future you auth with gribble and pm assbot !up

04:41:25 DanielKrawisz_: I got logged off so now I have an underscore at the end of my name.

04:41:35 Dimsler: ./nick

04:41:38 mircea_popescu: DanielKrawisz_ i infuriate easily.

04:41:38 decimation: yeah that's an irc thing

04:41:51 Dimsler: but hes also easily amused!

04:42:03 mircea_popescu: i have all the requisite qualities of senile dementia

04:42:10 mircea_popescu: now i just gotta meet the age qual.

04:42:25 Dimsler: too much flouride in the drinking water

04:42:34 mircea_popescu: not here.

04:42:39 Dimsler: ohhh

04:42:42 Dimsler: how are you liking argentina?

04:42:47 mircea_popescu: they can;'t afford fluoride so they have to rub wooden sticks together

04:42:51 mircea_popescu: i love argentina

04:42:57 mircea_popescu: o which reminds me i was going to post some pics

04:42:59 Dimsler: fuck thats exactly where i belong

04:43:02 DanielKrawisz_: Originally I was going to be a physics professor but there are a lot of things about professional physics academics that are a lot less fun than the physics, so I dropped out.

04:43:03 Dimsler: i gotta pack my shit down there

04:43:22 Dimsler: DanielKrawisz_, so you started studying economics?

04:43:25 mircea_popescu: DanielKrawisz_ originally i was going to be a physicist.

04:43:33 mircea_popescu: but i actually had more sense than that at about 16.

04:43:35 Dimsler: lol

04:43:37 decimation: DanielKrawisz_: the general feeling here is that academia in the us is a bureaucracy that has little to do with actually advancing human knowledge/technology

04:43:37 Dimsler: lawyer here

04:43:43 DanielKrawisz_: Cool.

04:44:13 mircea_popescu: Dimsler orly ? what do you practice ?

04:44:21 Dimsler: oh nothing now

04:44:25 mircea_popescu: what did you practice.

04:44:39 Dimsler: nothing we were talking about schooling

04:44:48 mircea_popescu: that's not a lawyer now is it.

04:45:00 DanielKrawisz_: Yeah, academics is a leisure activity, and there's kind of a conflict when it becomes professional.

04:45:04 Dimsler: no way left lawschool

04:45:17 Dimsler: now i spend my days spinning in a chair really

04:45:32 mircea_popescu: if a girl did that they'd call her a slut.

04:45:38 Dimsler: see

04:46:33 Dimsler: actually i left law school to program algorhythms for automated trading systems

04:46:36 decimation: well, there's certainly a conflict of interest between "researching physics" and "maintaining a career in physics"

04:46:49 Dimsler: msg assbot !up

04:46:52 Dimsler: to up yourlse

04:47:42 mircea_popescu: decimation myeah, actual science is for rich people, not for clerks.

04:48:00 Dimsler: just like BA studies are

04:48:13 mircea_popescu: people who hope to make their living at science can not be considered scientists. that should be the first crtierion on the peer review process. "independently wealthy ?" if no, can not participate in science.

04:48:23 bounce: with nice hand-blown instruments in brass cases!

04:48:41 mircea_popescu: this seems obvious enough with say, love. people who hope to earn a living at it can't really make very good lovers.

04:48:44 decimation: mainly because they have the 'free time' that asciilifeform desires

04:48:52 mircea_popescu: yet somehow when it leaves that realm everyone's suddenly confused.

04:49:15 decimation: probably the same thing with medicine too

04:49:39 mircea_popescu: with the independent professions it becomes more iffy. doctors and lawyers earned their keep doing the job for centuries without ill effect.

04:49:42 Dimsler: medicine is such nigger work

04:49:49 mircea_popescu: for just as long as they depended for pay on their own customers.

04:49:52 bounce: plenty scientists have done so on sufferance of the local lord, no reason why they couldn't do it on sufferance of the government

04:50:02 mircea_popescu: once they started being paid by corporations / the state, it all went to shit.

04:50:08 Dimsler: i don't know a single non-american doctor who isn't miserable

04:50:08 mircea_popescu: bounce name one.

04:50:24 mircea_popescu: Dimsler i know plenty.

04:50:36 decimation: as the link I put up yesterday explained, most doctors did more to hurt than heal before 1900, the 'talented amateur' was the local nurse lady who would try to keep you comfortable

04:50:39 bounce: pfft. too early to do the research.

04:50:59 mircea_popescu: bounce then allow me to use this opportunity to expose before your eyes your own automatism.

04:51:04 mircea_popescu: what other places is it operant ?

04:51:08 Dimsler: problem with being a scientifist in todays modern age is you aren't working from home

04:51:25 Dimsler: you're stuck in academia

04:51:28 mircea_popescu: decimation dubious theory, but anyway.

04:51:41 Dimsler: very dubious

04:52:00 mircea_popescu: generally the problem is that people ascribe the benefits of santiation to medicine. this is false.

04:52:13 mircea_popescu: actual doctors today are about as hacky/harmful as they were cca 1714.

04:52:20 Dimsler: correct

04:52:22 mircea_popescu: mostly because the problem they face is so complex.

04:52:52 Duffer1: speaking of dr, that coffee was a big hit, thanks for the suggestion MP

04:52:58 decimation: yeah I would say that's probably true in most cases

04:53:05 mircea_popescu: Duffer1 cheers.

04:53:15 Dimsler: which coffee?

04:53:25 decimation: until someone can give an engineering-level account of the human body and all its processes, it's gonna stay that way

04:53:34 Duffer1: nurse gifts, 3lbs of primo coffee per shift

04:53:50 Duffer1: and for dr

04:53:53 mircea_popescu: decimation you can appreciate the shittyness of it, right ? suppose you were given the task of fixing code you may not read running on a one of a kind processor you don't even have the spec for.

04:54:07 mircea_popescu: and then blamed you for the results, but praised "nature" for the success.

04:54:26 decimation: yeah, it's a delicate microstructure and your tools are basically 'hammer' and 'sledge'

04:54:49 Dimsler: well i mean todays operations are much much cleaner

04:54:56 mircea_popescu: OR you could pour yogurt over it and see

04:55:02 mircea_popescu: THREE!!! three choices!

04:57:00 asciilifeform: problem of definitions.

04:57:06 asciilifeform: 'doctor' is - cleanup crew.

04:57:09 mircea_popescu: aren;t they all.

04:57:18 asciilifeform: example. say room-temperature supercons appear.

04:57:45 asciilifeform: then everyone with some money can scan himself when he wakes up, right after toilet, for malignant growths.

04:58:01 asciilifeform: say +10 lifespan, whatever. who gets credit?

04:58:03 asciilifeform: doctors? nope

04:58:12 asciilifeform: similar to sanitation example.

04:58:48 decimation: asciilifeform: the scanner would have to see down the molecules to determine malignancy in-situ

04:58:59 mircea_popescu: i doubt malignancies are the main problem. i think the main problem of medicine today is still metabolism

04:59:10 mircea_popescu: mirroring exactly the situation in the times of mr h.

04:59:10 asciilifeform: decimation: not necessarily. just monitor for out-of-place masses, would go a long way.

04:59:17 asciilifeform: consider, elsewhere:

04:59:22 mircea_popescu: three thousand years and uncountable changes in everything later.

04:59:37 asciilifeform: firemen get (and deserve) no credit for the relative incombustibility of modern dwellings compared to those of the past.

04:59:49 Dimsler: lol the past?

04:59:52 Dimsler: you mean like

04:59:56 Dimsler: concrete?

04:59:58 asciilifeform: pre-concrete

05:00:04 mircea_popescu: actually... i think us houses are the most combustible things ever in the history of dwellings.

05:00:06 Dimsler: there was firemen pre-concrete?

05:00:11 asciilifeform: (if you must, old japan vs. current)

05:00:17 mircea_popescu: Dimsler firemen have as much history as the french.

05:00:20 Dimsler: yeah like the combustable house and obsession with firemen is a north american thing

05:00:30 decimation: well, loads of bureaucrats have been harassing people to spray various dubious fireproofing chemicals on everything

05:00:35 asciilifeform: Dimsler: nope. in japan, far greater obsession even.

05:00:46 mircea_popescu: yeah but in japan they have cause.

05:00:53 Dimsler: yeah i know

05:00:53 asciilifeform: paper houses. just like present-day usa.

05:01:15 asciilifeform: poor countries are much alike.

05:01:21 mircea_popescu: problem i nthe usa isn't as much the per se combustibility, more like, all the evil shit sandwiched in there

05:01:30 mircea_popescu: fumes will kill you before the fire even warms you a little

05:02:07 Dimsler: so canucky in here

05:02:11 *: asciilifeform is reminded to buy current gas mask canisters

05:02:20 decimation: yeah modern us house is basically sawdust mixed with various kinds of glue

05:02:21 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski you know if you first join as d.shawcable.net the entire cloak thing loses its point

05:02:29 Dimsler: LOL

05:02:35 bounce: so newton, leibniz, van leeuwenhoek all held convenient government positions. not quite getting paid for science directly, but not quite independently wealthy either

05:02:43 mircea_popescu: bounce lord newton ?

05:02:49 mircea_popescu: you have got to be kidding me, srsly.

05:02:49 decimation: 'government' was quite a different thing then though

05:02:57 mircea_popescu: that's your "not independently wealthy" example ?!

05:03:06 mircea_popescu: a wealthy lord with a de jure mp seat ?

05:03:08 asciilifeform: 'independent' here just means you're funded via something other than science-as-day-job

05:03:13 asciilifeform: not necessarily mega-empire

05:03:25 asciilifeform: if i understand.

05:03:33 mircea_popescu: just add lavoisier to the list and we can call it a day eh.

05:03:47 decimation: ie they didn't have to worry about food & basic human needs

05:03:53 decimation: or fourier

05:04:00 mircea_popescu: decimation more on point : they could tell the sovereign to get fucked

05:04:04 mircea_popescu: and on occasion actually did.

05:04:17 BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2014/10/darkcoin-value-drops-while-going-open-source/

05:04:18 assbot: Darkcoin: Value Drops while going Open Source

05:04:25 mircea_popescu: i would very much like to see current day "scientist" telling obama to get the fuck lost.

05:04:37 bounce: ``Newton moved to London to take up the post of warden of the Royal Mint in 1696, a position that he had obtained through the patronage of Charles Montagu, 1st Earl of Halifax, then Chancellor of the Exchequer.''

05:04:42 mircea_popescu: anyone recall greenspun's retelling of whatever imperial visit ?

05:04:53 Dimsler: but i thought obama was there leader?

05:04:55 asciilifeform: pu yi?

05:04:55 decimation: they exist, but there are at least 10 layers of fat bureaucrats between obama and the truth-knowers

05:07:11 mircea_popescu: btw, since he got mentioned : newton ended up the author of the gold standard in the western world.

05:07:18 mircea_popescu: he wrote some report, people took it seriously

05:07:19 asciilifeform: the pyx!

05:07:27 decimation: "the hlls are tall an the emperor is far away"

05:07:34 asciilifeform: (beautifully portrayed in n. stephenson's 'baroque cycle' epic.)

05:08:05 asciilifeform: http://www.royalmint.com/discover/uk-coins/history-of-the-trial-of-the-pyx

05:08:07 assbot: History of the Trial of the Pyx | The Royal Mint

05:09:05 decimation: the clerks in the bank of england thought they could use 'one weird trick' to materialize gold from thin air

05:10:22 BingoBoingo: decimation> the clerks in the bank of england thought they could use 'one weird trick' to materialize gold from thin air << To the extend Geography poses a challenge to verification they could pretend

05:12:47 decimation: one problem being that once the sovereign decides that insolvency is the new solvent it gives leave for everyone else to do so, especially using the king's scrip

05:12:53 pete_dushenski_: mircea_popescu: v. good point about the shaw thing. i'm logging on from a different comp and i don't quite have the flow sorted on this one.

05:13:38 asciilifeform: insolvency is the new solvent << hunger is the new delicacy. and then let's all make backyard steel.

05:13:40 pete_dushenski_: mircea_popescu: is it me or is pete_d on a roll ? << and i think it's just you :D

05:13:51 Dimsler: lol

05:14:00 decimation: this 'trial of the pyx' is hilarious

05:14:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17598 @ 0.00074125 = 13.0445 BTC [-] {2}

05:14:04 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "whoredom is the new chastity". see, this one works.

05:14:11 mircea_popescu: the key is to stick to the human, rather than the real.

05:14:29 decimation: surely serious men must find it extremely silly to sit around and pretend that nickel coated zinc is worth a shit

05:14:53 Dimsler: uh

05:14:54 Dimsler: lol

05:15:05 Dimsler: vs a string of numbers?

05:15:12 Dimsler: its worth what you choose it to be worth

05:15:13 asciilifeform: 'Winston made another convulsive movement. This time he did not say anything. O'Brien continued as though answering a spoken objection: 'For certain purposes, of course, that is not true. When we navigate the ocean, or when we predict an eclipse, we often find it convenient to assume that the earth goes round the sun and that the stars are millions upon millions of kilometres away. But what of it? Do you suppose

05:15:13 asciilifeform: it is beyond us to produce a dual system of astronomy? The stars can be near or distant, according as we need them. Do you suppose our mathematicians are unequal to that? Have you forgotten doublethink?' '

05:15:34 asciilifeform: (re: stick to the human)

05:17:14 pete_dushenski_: strp: no thanks, thickasthieves. I don't have to justify talking with anyone else I talk with. << classic wilyotp (walk in like you own the place). gotta love the endless supply of such thinking.

05:17:42 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski_ it's mostly recycled.

05:17:50 asciilifeform: endless supply << it's the same hero, with at least 5 names

05:17:53 decimation: it works for him because he understands physics like a high schooler except 300 years ago

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05:18:49 mircea_popescu: lmao

05:18:58 mircea_popescu: i didn't know decimation could bite.

05:19:38 decimation: i have my moments

05:20:06 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i propose my objection is better grounded than that.

05:20:24 pete_dushenski_: assbot: Farrakhan claims Ebola invented to kill off blacks | Fox News << i always thought that was aids' job...

05:20:29 mircea_popescu: specifically : when dealing with an item, trying harder is for when things work, and trying something else when things don't work.

05:20:38 mircea_popescu: when dealing with a woman... apparently, the opposite!

05:21:10 Dimsler: such irrational creatures

05:21:15 mircea_popescu: no u.

05:21:20 pete_dushenski_: lol

05:21:20 Dimsler: me too

05:23:25 mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2014/10/keeping-bitcoin-is-a-hard-problem/ << o look at that ?!

05:23:26 assbot: Keeping Bitcoin is a Hard Problem

05:23:34 mircea_popescu: is this the cazalla-BingoBoingo adventure ?

05:23:58 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It is indeed

05:24:19 mircea_popescu: don't go all lyrical & philosophical on people now. you got oyur blogs for that. stick to facts and practice good journalism

05:24:25 mircea_popescu: to inform and enlighten!

05:25:30 BingoBoingo: Noted

05:25:45 decimation: you know what orwell missed was that you didn't really need "Big Brother" to convince everyone that the digits/zinc is worth anything - you just need 'the people' to have a 'stake' in the success of the graft and they will 'big brother' themselves

05:25:49 Dimsler: a murder of crows

05:26:33 mircea_popescu: there is no such thing as "the people" any more than there are "women" or "blacks" or "jews" or "strippers" or "sluts" or "coeds" or so forth

05:26:44 Dimsler: fucking jews

05:26:55 mircea_popescu: it's fun, if you get the right ones.

05:28:21 bounce: so why does english have different names for groups of animals and then specify the animal anyway?

05:29:05 mircea_popescu: a sedge o' bitterns ; a sounder o' boar ; a blush o' boys ; a bellowing o' bullfinches ; a draught o' butlers.

05:29:13 Dimsler: because english is an aweful language

05:29:24 Dimsler: its a bastardization of germanic latin and french

05:29:29 mircea_popescu: bounce because venery.

05:29:38 mircea_popescu: you familiar with the ever elusive snipe ?

05:29:57 Dimsler: mmm snipe

05:30:56 bounce: tried to hunt it by myself once, no dice.

05:31:39 Dimsler: thats the joke

05:31:44 mircea_popescu: right. for many years men gathered together, trying with their humble powers to implement as much of a bitcoin-assets as possible.

05:31:45 Dimsler: you can never catch one

05:31:58 mircea_popescu: not much was possible throughout much of that history, but the idea still nevertheless recognisably remains.

05:32:06 asciilifeform: where and how might one expect to meet 'draught o' butlers' !? what's next, 'a slurp of supernovae' ?

05:32:39 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform conceivably supernovae would be more like a cough than a slurp

05:32:50 mircea_popescu: you mean a slurp o' black holes ?

05:32:51 asciilifeform: 'a clutter of cunts' ?

05:32:57 Dimsler: oh thats a funny one

05:32:58 mircea_popescu: n o, that's a smatter.

05:33:07 *: asciilifeform not pro

05:33:08 Dimsler: no i think its a clutter

05:33:08 mircea_popescu: as in, o honey, 'sthematter ?

05:33:56 mircea_popescu: "her tits aren't really that much bigger, it's the light."

05:34:42 BingoBoingo: 'a bounce of tits'

05:34:49 mircea_popescu: hear hear

05:34:56 asciilifeform: 'a tiling of tits'

05:35:03 mircea_popescu: hm, also.

05:35:13 mircea_popescu: why is the boob forever cursed with ambigous multinominity ?

05:35:19 asciilifeform: student exercise; tile the plane with...

05:35:25 penguirker: New blog post: http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-incredulous-photographer-and-the-subjects-of-his-incredulity/

05:35:36 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know i famously proposed this once ?

05:35:41 mircea_popescu: lemme tell you all about it!

05:35:46 asciilifeform: !?

05:35:55 mircea_popescu: before womanly assembly i took my magisterial pose

05:35:57 mircea_popescu: that suits me so

05:36:15 mircea_popescu: and proceeded to proclaim that perhaps the best example of society marginalising women known to anthropology is

05:36:27 mircea_popescu: that no natural measurement of length works as the distance between the nipples

05:36:38 mircea_popescu: and yet, if you think of it, there should! they're like natural calipers.

05:36:54 mircea_popescu: took them a good five minutes to figure out the whole thing;s a snipe.

05:37:01 decimation: a bit wobbly as a ruler don't you think?

05:37:14 mircea_popescu: plus they vary a lot by measurer.

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05:37:28 mircea_popescu: plus... you know... who wants to put her nipple on random tihngs.

05:37:28 mircea_popescu: etc.

05:38:12 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the chap on the bike had grinding wheel ?

05:38:19 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yup

05:38:29 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we had these.

05:38:29 mircea_popescu: THAT is sustainability, the real kind.

05:38:33 mircea_popescu: think he'll ever starve ? i don't.

05:38:52 decimation: it would demean women to treat them as objects to measure, rather than measure as objects

05:39:10 mircea_popescu: decimation you know what an inch originally was right ? or a foot

05:39:16 asciilifeform: the real neato is that: that bike converts.

05:39:22 asciilifeform: for quick getaway. to normal bike.

05:39:30 asciilifeform: (look at rear wheel & the pulley scheme)

05:39:41 mircea_popescu: or for that matter the latin excloppus

05:39:53 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yup

05:40:12 decimation: I thought it was related to the pace?

05:40:16 decimation: the foot anyway

05:40:57 mircea_popescu: yeah. and the inch to the hand.

05:41:44 decimation: asciilifeform: I have one of those folding bikes, it is pretty compact (but heavy and ungainly) when folded

05:41:53 mircea_popescu: (thumb knuckle to tip)

05:42:55 asciilifeform: phun phact. old russian unit of measure, 'вершок' (vershok) ~= 'lengthling' - approximately was equal to length of upper half of index finger. and it lives today! in every server room. last imperial вершок is precisely 1U of cabinet.

05:43:38 decimation: heh interesting

05:44:28 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in romanian, vershook, fershtook = fubar.

05:44:50 mircea_popescu: i guess it means "a russian guy measured this, throw it away"

05:45:19 *: asciilifeform measured own finger, correct to 1% !

05:45:44 *: asciilifeform throws away finger. it stays attached.

05:45:51 mircea_popescu: lol

05:46:11 decimation: I suspect rack units acquired their height from the ability to reach into that space with a hand

05:46:24 mircea_popescu: decimation likely yah

05:46:30 asciilifeform: decimation: yes.

05:46:50 *: asciilifeform can always tell who did a tour of duty as a sysop in this, among other, ways.

05:47:23 decimation: yeah, one learns that it's best to wear 'mechanics gloves' while handling sharp metal boxes

05:47:39 decimation: pediwiki: The term relay rack appeared first in the world of telephony.[2] By 1911, the term was also being used in railroad signaling.[3] There is little evidence that the dimensions of these early racks were standardized. The 19-inch rack format with rack-units of 1.75 inches and holes tapped for 12-24 screws with alternating spacings of 1.25 inches and 0.5 inch was an established standard by 1934.[4] The EIA standard was revised

05:47:41 decimation: again in 1992 to comply with the 1988 public law 100-418, setting the standard U as 44.5mm (15.9mm + 15.9mm + 12.7mm), making each "U" officially 1.752 inches.[5] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/19-inch_rack

05:48:36 decimation: apparently it's 1.75 + 2 mil - probably to fit the shelving

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05:54:00 mircea_popescu: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/48/Spider_and_fly_April_2008-6.jpg <<< check out the nature porn.

05:54:12 pete_dushenski_: kakobrekla: ever used topre ? << great! nao i kinda want one.

05:54:16 mircea_popescu: psycho fly guy got a pretty sweet setup there. one date only.

05:54:39 pete_dushenski_: mircea_popescu: that's one sneaky spider.

05:55:04 mircea_popescu: "don't worry about not being on the pill, honey. i got a yellow contraceptor."

05:55:15 pete_dushenski_: that fly's a semi-necro. maybe that's only half-weird.

05:56:25 mircea_popescu: maybe the poison makes the contractions better.

05:57:02 pete_dushenski_: probably less pulsing and more just one looooong squeeeeeeze.

05:57:13 mircea_popescu: who's to know.

05:57:45 pete_dushenski_: mircea_popescu: just landed on http://fraudsters.com/2014/people-have-made-blogs/ and noticed that it could use an update vis-a-vis "bitcoinpete" being retired as such

05:57:46 assbot: People have made blogs pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

05:57:54 mircea_popescu: a yes.

05:58:25 pete_dushenski_: could also use the addition of hanbot?

05:59:21 pete_dushenski_: and turkish toilets are still a thing, last i checked... in tokyo.

05:59:31 mircea_popescu: i never been to tokio

06:01:58 pete_dushenski_: aha! so you haven't been everywhere...

06:02:17 mircea_popescu: done!

06:02:30 *: pete_dushenski_ wonders what other corners of the world he's explored that mircea_popescu hasn't.

06:02:53 mircea_popescu: i've ne ver been to canada either

06:02:59 mircea_popescu: well, briefly, out of nh, but anyway

06:03:28 pete_dushenski_: mircea_popescu: thx for updating!

06:03:49 pete_dushenski_: ok, so canada is 1. have you been to other parts of japan?

06:04:15 mircea_popescu: other parts of japan other than canada ?

06:04:50 pete_dushenski_: well, let's stick with countries

06:04:56 pete_dushenski_: 1. canada

06:04:59 pete_dushenski_: 2. japan?

06:05:46 mircea_popescu: my forays into asia have been limited to crossing the bosphorus.

06:06:58 pete_dushenski_: a ok. so we can add 2. japan, 3. china, 4. hk, 5. vietnam, 6. thailand, 7. s. korea :)

06:07:26 pete_dushenski_: 8. singapore.

06:07:59 pete_dushenski_: i imagine i don't have any parts of europe to add to that list.

06:08:40 pete_dushenski_: and the famous pyramid-horse pic says you've been to egypt.

06:08:57 mircea_popescu: i've been pretty much everywhere the empire ever went.

06:09:09 mircea_popescu: which means you can add all of the black africa too

06:09:17 pete_dushenski_: being the roman?

06:09:48 pete_dushenski_: have you been to israel?

06:09:50 mircea_popescu: well yeah

06:12:36 pete_dushenski_: in south america i've been to colombia and brazil. also visited most of central america, mexico, and a solid chunk of the caribbean islands.

06:12:47 pete_dushenski_: but... never lived anywhere else.

06:12:58 mircea_popescu: yeah, i tend to do more intensive sort of travels.

06:13:41 mircea_popescu: "2. We improve the economy by attacking without mercy the concept of globalism, eliminating all foreign aid to non-White third world nations, all nations controlled by Zionist interests, and first and foremost eliminate all aid to Israel, also end all domestic aid and handouts to non-Whites, and finally disband and dissolve the Jewish-run Federal Reserve and overhaul the American stock market and the way that has worke

06:13:42 mircea_popescu: d for decades."

06:13:57 mircea_popescu: dude the policy ideas of homebrew candidates are fabulous.

06:14:23 mircea_popescu: "We eliminate the Muslim terror threat by first eliminating all support for Israel and then by additionally deporting all Muslims out of the American nation back to the Arab world."

06:14:26 mircea_popescu: that's gotta work :

06:14:29 mircea_popescu: :D

06:14:54 pete_dushenski_: maybe they should just make an ebola to target moslems?

06:14:59 decimation: well, it would be cheaper for the us to simply ban pakistani immigration rather than try to be omniscient w.r.t. pakistani terrorism and so forth

06:15:04 pete_dushenski_: it'd be more cost-effective!

06:15:33 mircea_popescu: decimation why do you suppose banning immigration does anything ?

06:15:49 decimation: well, I would ban all forms of border crossing

06:15:55 mircea_popescu: on what border ?

06:15:55 decimation: from selected states

06:16:03 decimation: heh good point

06:16:24 mircea_popescu: you could directly experiment with this idea. you could draw a line in your room, and ban all crossings of that line. see if it does anything for any variable you wish to measure.

06:16:55 mircea_popescu: i imagine at best it'd to nothing perceptible, if you choose the line well.

06:17:12 mircea_popescu: but otherwise it can become a major pain.

06:17:37 decimation: this problem largely solved itself in the past when only somebodies could afford to travel

06:17:45 mircea_popescu: what problem tho ?

06:18:16 decimation: well, I guess I buy into the idea that a nation and an genetic group are closely related

06:18:18 pete_dushenski_: mircea_popescu: please to update blog link to -otc rating to http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=pete_dushenski&sign=ANY&type=RECV :)

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06:18:25 mircea_popescu: decimation only if thegy wish to be.

06:18:36 mircea_popescu: do you suppose any marriage can be improved by confining the woman ?

06:19:05 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski_ i like that you give good error reports.

06:19:38 mircea_popescu: done.

06:19:45 pete_dushenski_: mircea_popescu: gotta be clear about what ya want, neh?

06:19:52 mircea_popescu: yeh.

06:20:03 pete_dushenski_: unlike mr. codenowaskfor1200permonthlater

06:20:20 RagnarDanneskjol: haha

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06:21:59 pete_dushenski_: mircea_popescu: and i also like that you linked "contravex" directly to the troll article rather than the homepage. i take that as a seal o' approval :)

06:23:02 mircea_popescu: for some reason i prefer to link articles.

06:24:21 decimation: at any rate I'm sure that these hick canidates will be promoted so that their hatred can become a shared experience for their political enemies

06:25:32 mircea_popescu: guy doesn't seem motivated by anything but the usual driver of reality show attendants.

06:25:39 mircea_popescu: that ain't hate.

06:26:22 mircea_popescu: and for that matter, people tend to flatter themselves with that word a lot. an ability to hate is strictly realted to spending time in conditions not available to the average english speaking derp.

06:26:30 mircea_popescu: much like love ain't available to the same populace.

06:27:28 decimation: My language was imprecise: I meant that that he would be the object of common hatred

06:27:37 decimation: or at least common derision

06:28:15 mircea_popescu: i doubt he's all that stable. he doesn't look it in any case.

06:28:40 mircea_popescu: "Mayo noted that Frazier Glenn Miller, who was a member of the Ku Klux Klan and other white supremacist groups, ran for the U.S. Senate in Missouri in 2010. He was charged this year in the shooting deaths of a 14-year-old boy and his grandfather outside an Overland Park, Kan., Jewish community center."

06:28:49 mircea_popescu: lol these obnoxious pests.

06:29:04 mircea_popescu: im sure there's no libtard that ever killed anyone. o.O

06:29:42 decimation: heh when a libtard kills someone it's just because he's crazy, not for any political reason

06:30:26 mircea_popescu: well... there's a lot of merit in that. how else could his alleged "political" oppinions be explained.

06:31:36 decimation: I guess my point is that the media likes to trump up the crazy nazi kkk guy when there were 415 murders in chicago last year

06:32:15 thestringpuller: d0000d

06:32:25 decimation: and 33,561 traffic deaths (in the us)

06:32:33 mircea_popescu: if it makes you feel any better, the media does the same here. there were i dunno, like five murders in a 20mn pop town.

06:32:48 mircea_popescu: that's what, 5x la

06:33:32 decimation: if the average us guy even knows where south america is, he perceives the cities as basically gigantic barrios with constant death

06:34:14 mircea_popescu: they are gigantic barrios, but the only constant is fucking.

06:35:24 decimation: reading the wikipedia I'm surprised to find that argentina is basically 80-90% european

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06:37:52 mircea_popescu: why surprised ?

06:38:05 pete_dushenski_: lulzy promoted tweet: https://twitter.com/RelayRides/status/517483681695272960

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06:39:18 mircea_popescu: who wants a car from "Real people" ?

06:39:27 mircea_popescu: what's the value add, cumrag ?

06:40:03 decimation: I guess I pictured it as basically peopled by Inca

06:40:07 decimation: but I guess that's more peru

06:40:09 pete_dushenski_: "cigarettes in ashtray, only half smoked!"

06:40:11 mircea_popescu: eh what inca.

06:40:20 mircea_popescu: that alleged empire was what, 100k people ?

06:41:45 pete_dushenski_: also ozzies are sending 8 super hornets to tackle isis. canada's mighty cf-18s can't be far behind nao.

06:41:49 pete_dushenski_: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-10-03/abbott-commits-australian-fighter-jets-to-air-strikes-in-iraq.html

06:41:49 assbot: Abbott Commits Australian Fighter Jets to Air Strikes in Iraq - Bloomberg

06:42:00 mircea_popescu: lmao

06:42:08 decimation: a 'coalition of the willing' indeed

06:42:18 mircea_popescu: is this the same iraq the us just got beat out of, and had to lulzily evacuate their baghdad "embassy" ?

06:42:26 mircea_popescu: did i miss a crucial something here ?

06:42:43 mircea_popescu: it's like a retard kid who gets told off by his imagined gf, goes away, turns around and starts over

06:43:20 decimation: I imagine that most countries perceive the us as a 300 pound giant with the brains of a 12 year old boy

06:43:42 decimation: can be really dangerous if you line yourself up in his sights, but really easy to manipulate

06:43:47 pete_dushenski_: decimation: was 300 10 years ago, now 225.

06:44:07 mircea_popescu: yeah, something like that. i think they mostly perceive it as a combined fuckhole/shithole/eatery

06:44:13 decimation: there's no doubt that there's a gap between 'strength on paper' and 'actual strength, if actually tested'

06:44:25 mircea_popescu: which is kinda perverse.

06:44:29 pete_dushenski_: and can therefore be subdued by a lean 140 pounder.

06:44:44 decimation: or a 100 lb girl with the right charms

06:44:48 pete_dushenski_: "i know kung fu" and shit.

06:44:50 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski_ depends where. not for as long as stays safely behind her keyboard.

06:45:04 mircea_popescu: or joystick as the case may be

06:45:47 decimation: on the other hand, the romans spent centuries trying to conquer the middle east

06:45:54 decimation: why should the powers of today have it any other way

06:46:57 mircea_popescu: the greeks spent two years, and got all the way to indioa

06:47:08 mircea_popescu: i have my doubts whether the romans ever were interested in conquest.

06:47:20 mircea_popescu: they kept trying to smash the persian empire, which they mostly managed, more or less.

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06:47:57 decimation: plus allotting conquered lands to very important bureaucrats and so forth

06:48:05 mircea_popescu: in the middle east ?

06:48:54 decimation: sure, being governor over there was a stepping stone to power at times

06:50:06 mircea_popescu: well being a (military) governor, sure. but generally the patricians held land in latium, then in italia, then in galia n, and then finally in spain, thracia, whatever.

06:50:19 mircea_popescu: not really illyricum or asia minor

06:51:44 decimation: yeah my earlier implication about patricians holding estates in syria etc is wrong

06:55:40 pete_dushenski_: i'm off to the dreamobile! bon soir!

06:55:49 decimation: 'night all

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08:05:15 BingoBoingo: ;;gettrust cazalla

08:05:16 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user BingoBoingo to user cazalla: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 3 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=BingoBoingo&dest=cazalla | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=cazalla | Rated since: Tue Apr 15 22:17:43 2014

08:07:02 BingoBoingo: ;;rate cazalla 3 News collaborator, Bunny Rancher

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08:11:17 RagnarDanneskjol: Bingo - you making picks for this weekend?

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08:15:17 assbot: Rapid-Fire Predictions for College Football's Biggest Matchups in Week 6 | Bleacher Report

08:15:32 RagnarDanneskjol: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2216102-good-guys-finish-first-the-hugh-freeze-story

08:15:33 assbot: Good Guys Finish 1st: The Hugh Freeze Story | Bleacher Report

08:17:22 BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: I'm debating it. Probably not doing the longshot parlay again.

08:18:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18600 @ 0.00074108 = 13.7841 BTC [-]

08:19:23 BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: Just going to be hard making picks since Mizzou has a bye week.

08:20:07 RagnarDanneskjol: huh. I am following your picks. seem to be pretty decent

08:21:17 BingoBoingo: Last year I had... a success rate.

08:22:29 RagnarDanneskjol: cool

08:23:44 RagnarDanneskjol: http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2014/10/1/6877355/sec-football-standings-predictions-projection-2014

08:23:45 assbot: Projecting the SEC's 2014 conference race using advanced stats - SBNation.com

08:24:25 RagnarDanneskjol: "Let me say that again. The SEC West is the best division in the country and might end up the best division of all time, and Mississippi State might have the best chance of winning it."

08:24:45 BingoBoingo: This year as everything has been parlays not much success. Two weeks ago I had a chance at least. Last week I made a suicide slate and attached a point about phantom mining hardware.

08:25:00 BingoBoingo: Mississippi State is indeed scary this year.

08:25:29 RagnarDanneskjol: oh yea. phantom hardware? - I missed that

08:25:47 RagnarDanneskjol: Oh gaw?

08:26:33 BingoBoingo: Yeah

08:26:49 RagnarDanneskjol: ok saw that

08:29:25 BingoBoingo: I mean last week I put Illinois over Nebraska.

08:29:44 RagnarDanneskjol: ahh

08:30:24 BingoBoingo: Mizzou scares in that after the way the SEC championship game ended last year they still have no defense against the ground game.

08:32:06 RagnarDanneskjol: i forget, were runs getting through the D line or is breakdown in the backfield.. or both

08:33:44 BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: Both. The Runningbacks almost always find a way around the line if they have any speed and in the backfield the people with speed to catch up to them lack the mass to take them down efficiently

08:34:38 RagnarDanneskjol: yea, thats a problem hard to fix

08:34:46 RagnarDanneskjol: http://www.stltoday.com/sports/college/mizzou/eye-on-the-tigers/countdown-to-camp-mizzou-linebackers/article_f078a225-8d72-52c1-9e22-ab6ac6ced060.html

08:34:47 assbot: Countdown to Camp: Mizzou linebackers : Sports

08:37:46 BingoBoingo: I'd still bet on Mizzou over the StL Rams though.

08:39:07 RagnarDanneskjol: Ha. Rams are a lost cause huh.

08:39:14 RagnarDanneskjol: Oh I see they won a game

08:41:06 RagnarDanneskjol: against the bucs - lel

08:41:56 BingoBoingo: Yeah. I can't wait until they leave

08:42:28 BingoBoingo: Most people I know in the area have similar feeling.

08:42:31 BingoBoingo: s

08:43:13 RagnarDanneskjol: hmm

08:48:48 BingoBoingo: The Rams really want a new stadium, but... hard to justify that when no one watches them.

08:51:20 RagnarDanneskjol: heh. lowest valued team in the league - http://www.forbes.com/nfl-valuations/#page:4_sort:0_direction:asc_search:

08:51:21 assbot: The Business Of Football - Forbes

08:53:12 BingoBoingo: Well, considering the other two pro sports team in town... win...

08:53:48 RagnarDanneskjol: yea

08:54:37 BingoBoingo: Then there's the problem with it being miserable to watch a winning game there

08:55:11 RagnarDanneskjol: why's that

08:56:33 penguirker: New blog post: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/10/03/collaborations/

08:57:22 BingoBoingo: The Rams don't seem to have any people with experience running events working on the fan experience of being at the stadium

08:57:39 RagnarDanneskjol: i see

08:58:11 RagnarDanneskjol: fukin Ezra Klien. ugh

08:58:18 BingoBoingo: Yeah

08:58:44 RagnarDanneskjol: has to be one of the worst people alive

09:10:56 fluffypony: literally Hitler?

09:12:03 RagnarDanneskjol: https://twitter.com/ezraklein/status/517672630317752320

09:12:04 assbot: KARL MARXIO BROS! http://t.co/iu0epW902z

09:12:07 BingoBoingo: Hitler no longer passes the alive test

09:14:15 fluffypony: point

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09:47:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8217 @ 0.00074513 = 6.1227 BTC [+]

10:05:04 cazalla: ;;rate BingoBoingo 3 Qntra.net's Jesse Pinkman, small ATC trade for BTC previously

10:05:06 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user BingoBoingo has changed from 1 to 3.

10:07:05 RagnarDanneskjol: http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2014/10/3/6897065/oregon-arizona-game-recap-results-2014

10:07:06 assbot: Arizona vs. Oregon final score: 3 things we learned from Zona's 31-24 stunner - SBNation.com

10:08:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30250 @ 0.00074103 = 22.4162 BTC [-] {2}

10:09:44 RagnarDanneskjol: ;;rate BingoBoingo 1 good handicapper - knows how to pick 'em

10:09:46 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user BingoBoingo has been recorded.

10:14:34 penguirker: New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/australian-university-start-up-school-to-accept-bitcoin/

10:18:41 RagnarDanneskjol: snooz

10:21:24 BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: I'm going to have to give games a thought when I wake up. As much as Purdue sucks though... Illinois just might suck even more.

10:22:03 RagnarDanneskjol: ha. good deal

10:22:31 BingoBoingo: Illinois probably wins it, but I don't think decmal odds of 3.9 for Purdue are a bad value if you want a longshot.

10:23:12 RagnarDanneskjol: cool. I'm always interested to see what data informs your picks

10:25:48 BingoBoingo: Well, I generally look for underdogs priced too generously. As an example there is no spread or odds that would make me think of Picking Kansas over West Fucking Virginia

10:26:14 BingoBoingo: Not the week after they fired their coach

10:26:29 RagnarDanneskjol: hah. ok

10:27:20 BingoBoingo: Also as coole as an Ole Miss upset over Bama would be... It's getting talked up so much Bama moneyline might be the better value

10:28:35 BingoBoingo: !up only

10:29:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62530 @ 0.0007433 = 46.4785 BTC [+] {2}

10:29:20 RagnarDanneskjol: yea. that ain't gonna happen

10:45:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7770 @ 0.0007481 = 5.8127 BTC [+]

11:11:53 punkman: http://straight.romansnitko.com/1yeardevplan.html

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11:12:00 punkman: "Monthly YouTube reviews of each release"

11:20:30 RagnarDanneskjol: "Fundraiser target is 200 BTC" - better get some hot coeds, scantily clad to do those videos

11:22:09 RagnarDanneskjol: speaking ov http://coed.com/2014/10/01/the-60-best-natural-breasts-of-2014-for-breast-cancer-awareness-month-photos/

11:22:10 assbot: The 60 Best Natural Breasts of 2014 For Breast Cancer Awareness Month [PHOTOS]

11:24:31 kakobrekla: i see 120 breasts

11:24:46 punkman: I don't see any

11:24:59 punkman: what is this sfw-assets

11:26:21 RagnarDanneskjol: hah

11:27:13 punkman: "About me: I'm a software developer with 10 years of experience in web. Take a look at my resume" <- and he means 10 years of experience with HTML/CSS, 6 years of ruby

11:31:46 RagnarDanneskjol: X years experience with web (or other non-specific) is clear indicator that experience being described is bs [and prolly lying about other things too].. resume goes straight to trashbin

11:33:28 RagnarDanneskjol: i see this on about 85% of developer CVs in circulation

11:38:20 TheNewDeal: Eifgth

11:38:37 TheNewDeal: Eight decades of experience with web!

11:44:44 RagnarDanneskjol: i've actually seen shit like this - 15 years iOS development, etc. sometimes I call them up just to troll

11:44:58 punkman: lol

11:48:11 BingoBoingo: https://github.com/petertodd/bips/blob/checklocktimeverify/bip-checklocktimeverify.mediawiki#Abstract

11:48:12 assbot: bips/bip-checklocktimeverify.mediawiki at checklocktimeverify petertodd/bips GitHub

11:48:37 BingoBoingo: ^soft fork

11:48:46 BingoBoingo: https://github.com/petertodd/bitcoin/commit/ab0f54f38e08ee1e50ff72f801680ee84d0f1bf4

11:48:47 assbot: Replace NOP2 with CHECKLOCKTIMEVERIFY ab0f54f petertodd/bitcoin GitHub

11:50:35 RagnarDanneskjol: not too shabby

11:55:27 BingoBoingo: I dunno. Do these waiting tx.nlocktime transactions just sit in the mempool for years now?

11:55:49 kakobrekla: that wouldnt work well

12:10:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.1231806 = 0.6159 BTC [-] {4}

12:19:10 bounce: you habitually read developer CVs?

12:25:11 RagnarDanneskjol: its my job

12:25:59 bounce: hr? recruiter?

12:26:09 RagnarDanneskjol: yes

12:27:38 bounce: twice even. how nice.

12:27:44 RagnarDanneskjol: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-10-2014#854310

12:27:46 assbot: Logged on 02-10-2014 00:40:23; RagnarDanneskjol: bounce - what's the prollem with recruiters? I always wonder about these devs who are too rich, famous/in demand to even find out how much more $ another company will pay them to be lazy

12:28:16 bounce: bit of an unfair question there.

12:28:23 RagnarDanneskjol: i kno

12:28:40 RagnarDanneskjol: rather loaded

12:29:04 bounce: not the smartest way to get a useful answer

12:31:07 RagnarDanneskjol: guess I wasn't really looking for a useful answer. just being provocative I suppose

12:31:30 bounce: I'll leave you at it then

12:41:25 kakobrekla: http://shrani.si/f/3r/hR/377xBtQx/eurusd-h4.png

12:42:20 ben_vulpes: RagnarDanneskjol: many devs respond to a few here and there, but the random sample is typically not enough cash, bizarre stacks, crazy mgmt or {google,yahoo,ms} again instead of anything interesting. a few interactions like this and the dev is poisoned against recruiters forever.

12:46:43 bounce: don't forget the completely dysfunctional and often insane "matching", selecting on completely irrelevant criteria, and obvious, screaming lies by the bucketload.

12:48:44 RagnarDanneskjol: ok. this is like having a bad experience with a front desk secretary and holding it against every secretary you ever encounter. Recruiters are just doing the work of sorting and moving candidates through the interview process. How else would you ever get another job? at some point everyone has to deal with a recruiter (or whoever acts as company recruiter/hr generalist) -otherwise st

12:48:45 RagnarDanneskjol: ay unemployed

12:49:20 RagnarDanneskjol: lies about what?

12:51:05 ben_vulpes: the notion that a person must go through a recruiter to get a job is utter nonsense.

12:51:31 RagnarDanneskjol: I think you misunderstand what a recruiter is (common misconception)

12:51:34 bounce: how else? by getting pulled in by someone, or by bumping into the (technically savvy) owner of the shop, something like that. the key is to talk to someone who knows about the job, not the "specialist" who doesn't know word from writer.

12:51:51 RagnarDanneskjol: they are often generalized as being staffing agencies

12:51:58 ben_vulpes: if you're growing a dev team and your devs aren't actively bringing in their friends, you're doing it entirely incorrectly.

12:52:23 RagnarDanneskjol: every company over 20 people has a staff recruiter who manages the interview/negotiation process

12:52:24 bounce: IME the staffing agencies that claim to specialise in IT recruiting are possibly worse than generic agencies. claim to know their shit then don't.

12:52:38 ben_vulpes: <RagnarDanneskjol> every company over 20 people has a staff recruiter who manages the interview/negotiation process << false.

12:52:49 RagnarDanneskjol: yea - you are getting staffing agencies confused w/ recruiters

12:52:59 ben_vulpes: in an engineering organization, this is an engineering function for engineering roles.

12:53:46 RagnarDanneskjol: so who identifies candidates?

12:54:09 bounce: somebody who knows about the job.

12:54:30 RagnarDanneskjol: so the hiring manager does recruitment - bad policy

12:54:30 ben_vulpes: anyone receiving emails on the "get in touch with us" inbox

12:54:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37930 @ 0.00074503 = 28.259 BTC [-]

12:54:41 ben_vulpes: what? why?

12:54:48 ben_vulpes: so you can shoehorn yourself in?

12:54:59 RagnarDanneskjol: Oh so the company only hires candidates who happen to find their open position - bad policy

12:55:21 RagnarDanneskjol: guaranteed to have a weak workforce

12:55:46 bounce: pfft. instead of some consultancy throwing out the adverts and pouring their "special sauce" over the incoming applications?

12:55:50 ben_vulpes: maybe for bigcorp.

12:56:06 bounce: IMO that's a worse policy, since it muddles the input needlessly

12:56:11 RagnarDanneskjol: again - that is a staffing agency - different and I agree they are wasteful

12:56:11 ben_vulpes: for companies with reputations for quality, it's not nearly as guaranteed as you claim.

12:56:24 ben_vulpes: spamgun, anyone?

12:57:23 ben_vulpes: you're also ignoring the "whole team does recruiting" strategy.

12:57:40 RagnarDanneskjol: you understand how it makes sense to have someone dedicated to locating the best talent available is bettter than hoping talent finds you?

12:58:05 bounce: does it?

12:58:15 *: bounce refers to the google study on a related subject

12:58:17 ben_vulpes: i don't hope, i plan and execute.

12:58:45 ben_vulpes: we identify target hires as a group and then fucking hire them.

12:59:06 ben_vulpes: we also chew through contractors, looking for people to hire.

12:59:08 RagnarDanneskjol: how do you locate them? its a full time job

12:59:21 ben_vulpes: people go to meetups

12:59:26 ben_vulpes: developer nights

12:59:28 ben_vulpes: ux nights

12:59:31 ben_vulpes: design nights

12:59:36 ben_vulpes: we host the odd one of the above

12:59:42 ben_vulpes: i network my ass off

12:59:47 RagnarDanneskjol: so hiring managers put in a bunch of extra overtime to do recruitment

12:59:49 ben_vulpes: (in support of sales *and* recruitment)

12:59:58 RagnarDanneskjol: instead of having a professional do it

13:00:03 ben_vulpes: not overtime

13:00:16 ben_vulpes: tis a part of the job, identifying and bringing on collaborators.

13:00:58 ben_vulpes: maybe someday i'll outsource leadgen, but i've yet to find anyone to trust with the job because they all sound as full of shit as you.

13:01:26 RagnarDanneskjol: how is that?

13:01:27 ben_vulpes: finding people who can do sales lead gen is hard enough, how the fuck am i to trust someone whose technical competence i have no notion of to identify people with technical talent?

13:01:42 RagnarDanneskjol: you intervieeww them

13:02:07 ben_vulpes: typically the interview is aborted by pitches like yours.

13:02:19 RagnarDanneskjol: I'm not pitching anyone

13:02:31 RagnarDanneskjol: just trying to dispel misconceptions

13:02:37 bounce: HR can take care of the paperwork, and "managing" appointments and such. but building the team is up to the manager, not to the recruiter.

13:02:56 ben_vulpes: does the recruiter then interview my team as well?

13:03:25 Azelphur: ben_vulpes: he must be somewhat good at spotting talent, he hired me ;)

13:03:35 ben_vulpes: Azelphur: you stand out.

13:03:35 bounce: debatable *rimshot*

13:03:47 ben_vulpes: published libs and such

13:03:55 *: Azelphur shrugs

13:04:09 Azelphur: I didn't know putting random crap on github was standing out, but ok o.O

13:04:10 ben_vulpes: not really much of an accomplishment.

13:04:24 ben_vulpes: you're not hard to find is what i'm saying.

13:04:37 Azelphur: :)

13:04:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27650 @ 0.00074316 = 20.5484 BTC [-] {2}

13:04:50 ben_vulpes: what about the first kid he trotted through here?

13:05:29 RagnarDanneskjol: how does a manager locate talent? i still don't understand. it is a full-time job sourcing for any given position.. doing a thourough targeted search. unless the job reqs are fairly loose.

13:06:11 RagnarDanneskjol: some of the jobs I place only have a few dozen qualified ppl on the planet - they take months to locate

13:06:48 ben_vulpes: must be why you want a fancy database of resumes and positions

13:07:04 RagnarDanneskjol: ??

13:07:25 RagnarDanneskjol: i create the db of resumes

13:07:53 RagnarDanneskjol: takes lots of hard work

13:11:37 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2014#745203

13:11:39 assbot: Logged on 05-07-2014 12:39:02; ninjashogun: The second is a services / consulting company in the field of jobs. cf. hired.com

13:12:06 ben_vulpes: the defense rests, your honor.

13:16:18 RagnarDanneskjol: you lost me ben. not sure its productive to discuss further. I would love to have hiring managers who can do my job for me tho

13:18:15 thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: is a moomoohead

13:20:12 RagnarDanneskjol: and btw - I found Azelphur in 2012 before I'd ever heard of mpex / b-a. and do consider him a prize catch

13:20:14 bounce: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZTYNBtUbNQ

13:20:14 assbot: The KLF - Justified & Ancient (All Bound...) - YouTube

13:20:31 Azelphur: <3

13:21:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22835 @ 0.00074244 = 16.9536 BTC [-]

13:32:38 pete_dushenski: ;;bc,stats

13:32:43 gribble: Current Blocks: 323637 | Current Difficulty: 3.466142592397694E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 324575 | Next Difficulty In: 938 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 17 hours, 57 minutes, and 24 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 33808436063.9 | Estimated Percent Change: -2.46092

13:41:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45336 @ 0.00074587 = 33.8148 BTC [+] {2}

13:43:48 bounce: ``Few people of attainments take easily to a plan of self-improvement. Some discover very early their perfection cannot endure the insult. Others find their intellectual pleasure lies in the theory, not the practice. Only a few stubborn ones will blunder on, painfully, out of the luxuriant world of their pretensions into the desert of mortification and reward.'' -- Voss, Patrick White

13:47:27 ben_vulpes: bounce: good book?

13:49:21 bounce: ran into a slightly larger quote somewhere; haven't read more than that

14:00:29 thickasthieves: ;;ticker

14:00:31 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 366.19, Best ask: 367.94, Bid-ask spread: 1.75000, Last trade: 366.18, 24 hour volume: 13329.29905806, 24 hour low: 364.75, 24 hour high: 378.91, 24 hour vwap: 375.321220613

14:01:30 ben_vulpes: wards of 500, eh?

14:01:33 ben_vulpes: wars*

14:03:33 thickasthieves: if diff turns down, it might get worse

14:03:59 thickasthieves: maybe we'll test that 266 after all

14:04:20 ben_vulpes: to 100!

14:04:29 ben_vulpes: man my conference tickets are looking really cheap all of a sudden

14:04:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53150 @ 0.00074384 = 39.5351 BTC [-]

14:05:07 thickasthieves: maybe you win the contest

14:06:37 ben_vulpes: thickasthieves: what's the formal rule?

14:07:24 thickasthieves: whomever spends the least bitcoin to pay wins

14:07:43 pete_dushenski: http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/10/03/europe-approves-facebooks-19-billion-purchase-of-whatsapp/

14:07:44 ben_vulpes: ie whoever locked their ticket in at the highest dollar price

14:08:48 thickasthieves: they didnt already buy it?

14:10:05 ben_vulpes: no you see the eu must approve it

14:11:35 pete_dushenski: just they must approve usd eur parity

14:11:59 pete_dushenski: sale was pending 19 bn eur figure too!

14:12:06 pete_dushenski: http://jalopnik.com/top-gear-was-just-forcibly-thrown-out-of-argentina-1642056799

14:12:06 assbot: Top Gear Was Just Forcibly Thrown Out Of Argentina

14:12:58 pete_dushenski: http://jalopnik.com/jeremy-clarkson-master-level-troll-trolls-entire-nati-1641630169 << trollz!

14:12:59 assbot: Jeremy Clarkson, Master-Level Troll, Trolls Entire Nation Of Argentina

14:15:54 ben_vulpes: lulzy indeed pete_dushenski

14:26:13 thestringpuller: ben_vulpes Today I learned that Python has

14:26:26 thestringpuller: the ability to be embedded in C programs...

14:27:09 thestringpuller: i've embedded in C++ applications, but never straight C.

14:28:52 pete_dushenski: https://twitter.com/4Humanity2869/status/518042051569803265 << look who's a racist nao!

14:28:53 assbot: Looks like /JeremyClarkson trolled Argentina: http://t.co/aWbJGURxUo That's why we love him! http://t.co/aqolBI3d1Q

14:30:27 thickasthieves: it's a joke no?

14:30:33 thickasthieves: he's races cars

14:30:35 thickasthieves: :)

14:30:39 thickasthieves: he*

14:32:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25630 @ 0.0007409 = 18.9893 BTC [-] {2}

14:32:20 pete_dushenski: thickasthieves: lmao

14:32:28 pete_dushenski: it's a joke on so many levels!

14:34:18 pete_dushenski: "

14:34:23 pete_dushenski: "US Unemployment rate falls to 5.9% as labor force participation drops to 62.7%, a new 36 year low. Record 92.6 million no longer in labor force"

14:35:03 ben_vulpes: but are they on the welfare rolls?

14:35:13 pete_dushenski: 92.6 mn out of eligible, what, 200 mn?

14:36:23 kakobrekla: meantime, euro 1.250

14:37:23 pete_dushenski: no sooner did i leave eurozone than it went kaput.

14:37:42 pete_dushenski: no sooner did i leave nyc in 2000 than...

14:38:02 pete_dushenski: no sooner did i leave asia in 2002 than… sars

14:38:25 pete_dushenski: no sooner did i leave israel in 2000 than… intifadah

14:38:35 pete_dushenski: pain and suffering in my wake.

14:38:38 kakobrekla: pls dont go

14:39:06 pete_dushenski: kakobrekla: to conference?

14:39:28 kakobrekla: away from here i thought

14:40:15 pete_dushenski: o, b-a.

14:40:23 pete_dushenski: i guess i can stick around.

14:41:17 thickasthieves: good thing we are decentralized

14:42:13 pete_dushenski: good thing twobitidiot and seamonster are still alive. i needed a morning luulz. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdSF19foO8E

14:42:14 assbot: Bitcoin Chat LIVE w/ Ryan Selkis (TwoBitIdiot) - David Seaman Hour - YouTube

14:43:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29150 @ 0.00074118 = 21.6054 BTC [+]

14:43:40 thickasthieves: why would anyone be interested in Selkis LIVE (or living)?

14:44:37 pete_dushenski: only 900 bots/pakistani boys are...

14:45:40 thickasthieves: fuckit i'm in

14:45:48 thickasthieves: cant find the chat box tho

14:46:47 pete_dushenski: ?

14:47:05 thickasthieves: i thought i'd be able to "join in"

14:47:12 thickasthieves: ask q's or such

14:47:16 pete_dushenski: o lol

14:47:26 thickasthieves: but it only lets me "vote for your favorite moment"

14:47:29 thickasthieves: fukn garbage

14:47:37 pete_dushenski: the googs hangout was live, yt is recorded

14:47:45 thickasthieves: oh its over

14:47:51 thickasthieves: meh

14:47:59 pete_dushenski: Streamed live on 26 Sep 2014

14:48:03 thestringpuller: Why is TwoBitIdiot still a athing?

14:48:15 thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: needs to replace that talking head.

14:48:51 pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: the fucktard isn't a thing. that's why he's on seamonster's show

14:49:00 thickasthieves: yknow i'm ok with qntra being all barebones design, but why on god's green earth is it left-aligned?

14:49:12 thestringpuller: but he has a lot of publicity? why? is he getting paid? is he making money from this publicity?

14:49:17 thestringpuller: like why does he exist at all?

14:49:24 thickasthieves: cuz he goxed gox

14:50:00 thestringpuller: it's like fox news for bitcoin :(

14:50:46 princessnell: hey gang

14:51:28 thickasthieves: hello

14:52:10 pete_dushenski: https://twitter.com/pete_dushenski/status/518050750883053568

14:52:11 assbot: Seeing /twobitidiot on /d_seaman https://t.co/JUQoqawB20 is pure lulz, also how you know Ryan's been dead since May: http://t.co/DDZ8kEsL5L

14:52:38 pete_dushenski: princessnell: howdy.

14:53:17 pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: seamonster can't afford ramen noodles. he ain't paying anyone to be on his derpy little show.

14:53:47 pete_dushenski: twobitfucktard is scraping the bottom of the barrel. he's andreas 2.0

14:54:10 thestringpuller: Andreas has a job though no?

14:54:20 thickasthieves: he has many "jobs"

14:54:23 thestringpuller: maybe not a valuable one but a job nevertheless

14:55:09 thickasthieves: neverthemore

15:03:03 thickasthieves: 76m customer account info compromised at JPM

15:03:13 pete_dushenski: andreas has "jobs" like ryan does: https://twitter.com/twobitidiot/status/518041814994276352

15:03:14 assbot: I met (and liked) JR when I met him at the /hashtag/bitlicense?src=hash hearings; he should've taken me up on my offer to look at his drafts. /hashtag/halfbaked?src=hash

15:03:45 pete_dushenski: offering to freely opine on topics he's unqualified to opine on. and being rejected.

15:05:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11300 @ 0.00074068 = 8.3697 BTC [-]

15:09:36 thestringpuller: i thought coinbase or something hired Andreas full time?

15:09:43 thestringpuller: I guess not.

15:10:35 pete_dushenski: he was "cto" at blockchain for a bit. then went on a radio silence week-long vacation while they got megahaxxored.

15:10:41 ben_vulpes: the girl just got the most mysterious robo call

15:10:42 pete_dushenski: so community-minded that guy.

15:11:00 ben_vulpes: "hi! this is sue. sorry to have disturbed you. goodbye!"

15:11:32 punkman: I get some robo calls that are silent then go "Goodbye!" and hangup

15:11:40 punkman: dat predictive dialing

15:14:00 thestringpuller: is there a way to be community minded without being a socialist?

15:14:08 punkman: (they "predict" how many calls to send out to get someone to pickup and talk to the agents)

15:14:27 thestringpuller: not trolling or being facetious, but being oriented on the community without giving in mindlessly to the community

15:14:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39688 @ 0.0007406 = 29.3929 BTC [-] {2}

15:17:16 thickasthieves: those are robocalls making lists of who answers at all

15:17:29 thickasthieves: thaty industry is folding over on itself

15:17:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17850 @ 0.00074053 = 13.2185 BTC [-] {2}

15:18:29 ben_vulpes: gotcha.

15:18:42 ben_vulpes: new topic! bamboo vs soy for biodiesel production?

15:18:55 punkman: algae!

15:20:37 ben_vulpes: don't you have to do abhorrent things to their genetics to get them to poop diesel? i'm just talking about rendering the grass/beans into alcohols i think.

15:22:53 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: used tires, garbage, etc.

15:23:50 pete_dushenski: lol o ryan, asking me: "aside from trolling and a sometimes entertaining blog what value do you add to #bitcoin? (Serious question.)"

15:24:08 punkman: ben_vulpes, you don't need to mess with genetics, just use them as biomass, feed into machine

15:26:22 thickasthieves: what was that jewish title someone said you are pete? some kinda documenter or something

15:27:07 bounce: for biodiesel? fish guts.

15:27:21 punkman: oh look they got a whole conference http://www.algalbbb.com/index.html

15:27:22 assbot: Elsevier - Algal Biomass, Biofuels & Bioproducts

15:28:14 punkman: 'Studies have shown that some species of algae can produce 60% or more of their dry weight in the form of oil"

15:29:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34950 @ 0.0007404 = 25.877 BTC [-] {2}

15:29:13 pete_dushenski: thickasthieves: "one of those numbered guys"

15:30:30 pete_dushenski: which, if taken as a recognition of my numeracy rather than my grandparents' ibm tats, is fairly complimentary

15:34:38 thickasthieves: oh i meant a different conversation

15:34:43 thickasthieves: i think mp called you something

15:34:57 thickasthieves: like not a rabbi, but some other word that meant something

15:35:03 thickasthieves: i know i'm being very helpful

15:35:34 pete_dushenski: lol

15:36:03 thickasthieves: it may have been in reference to how you dissect/explain things mp blogs about

15:36:50 pete_dushenski: ;;ident pete_dushenski

15:36:51 gribble: Nick 'pete_dushenski', with hostmask 'pete_dushenski!~pete_dush@unaffiliated/pete-dushenski/x-8158685', is identified as user 'pete_dushenski', with GPG key id 165749929F9A6BDD, key fingerprint E6625CC14638C4CA404694E9165749929F9A6BDD, and bitcoin address None

15:37:17 pete_dushenski: ;;getrust pete_dushenski

15:37:18 gribble: Error: "getrust" is not a valid command.

15:37:23 pete_dushenski: lol

15:37:58 thickasthieves: tt

15:38:00 pete_dushenski: 36131 Pierre_Rochard 20 pete_dushensk 2014-07-23 15:35:31 2 Amoraim of b-a

15:38:10 pete_dushenski: ;;ud amoraim

15:38:12 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=amoraim | trending. marlin vs. mullet Advertisement; poopsterbate · tittybong · lumpatious · bae · pussy · seagull · thug · neknominate · surfboard · sizzurp. categories.

15:38:33 thickasthieves: thats it!

15:38:37 pete_dushenski: ;;google amoraim

15:38:38 gribble: Amoraim - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amoraim; Amoraim - Jewish Virtual Library: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/judaica/ejud_0002_0002_0_01018.html; TANNAIM AND AMORAIM - JewishEncyclopedia.com: http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/14240-tannaim-and-amoraim

15:38:41 thickasthieves: tell 2bit thats what you are

15:38:56 thickasthieves: fukn steward of the culture

15:38:59 pete_dushenski: lolk

15:39:49 pete_dushenski: https://twitter.com/twobitidiot/status/518059306068217857

15:39:50 assbot: Seeing /twobitidiot on /d_seaman https://t.co/JUQoqawB20 is pure lulz, also how you know Ryan's been dead since May: http://t.co/DDZ8kEsL5L

15:40:36 pete_dushenski: so i sayz to ethel i sayz: "What value do I add to the sun? What makes you think that anyone can "add value" to something that just… exists?" and y'know what she sayz to me? "ok, that's why you're not worth listening to. That doesn't make any sense whatsoever on any level."

15:40:48 pete_dushenski: can you believe that woman?

15:41:16 pete_dushenski: she thinks she can add value to the sun

15:41:25 pete_dushenski: some people i tellz ya.

15:41:43 thickasthieves: reality bites

15:42:08 thickasthieves: i add value to bitcoin by owning some

15:42:11 thickasthieves: so there

15:42:21 thickasthieves: bitcoin is backed by bagholders

15:42:23 pete_dushenski: well, that's how it adds value to you

15:42:51 punkman: ;;bc,xau

15:42:53 gribble: 1 XAU = 1195.000000000000 USD = 3.2472826087 BTC

15:42:55 thickasthieves: expensive value lately

15:43:20 mthreat: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/top-gear/11137879/Jeremy-Clarkson-stoned-as-Top-Gear-crew-abandon-cars-and-flee-Argentina.html

15:43:20 assbot: Jeremy Clarkson 'stoned' as Top Gear crew abandon cars and flee Argentina - Telegraph

15:44:04 pete_dushenski: mthreat: see logs ;)

15:44:07 mircea_popescu: lmao wtf happened there.

15:44:27 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: clarkson "trolled" argentinians about the falklands wars

15:44:37 mircea_popescu: aaaa hahhhaha

15:44:47 mircea_popescu: win.

15:44:51 pete_dushenski: had a license plate on his car that read "H982 FLK" or some such.

15:44:59 mircea_popescu: possibly best troll ever.

15:45:07 mircea_popescu: so who is this guy ?

15:45:16 pete_dushenski: host of a tv show about cars.

15:45:33 pete_dushenski: on bbc. a journalist with a sense of humour who also knows how to work a camera

15:45:35 mircea_popescu: sorta like that cook guy, different color scheme ?

15:45:38 thickasthieves: a "racist"

15:45:45 mircea_popescu: obnoxious knowitall sorta talkhead ?

15:45:58 pete_dushenski: nah, just a king troll.

15:46:00 thickasthieves: no just a guy who likes fast cars

15:46:25 thickasthieves: or has he trolled in the past too?

15:46:26 mthreat: "He added that the numbers 646 on James May's Lotus could be taken as a reference to the 649 Argentinian casualties."

15:46:34 mthreat: ^ that is pretty weak

15:46:40 pete_dushenski: ;;google jeremy clarkson trolls mexico

15:46:41 gribble: Jeremy Clarkson, Master-Level Troll, Trolls Entire Nation Of Argentina: http://jalopnik.com/jeremy-clarkson-master-level-troll-trolls-entire-nati-1641630169; Actress Wants Top Gear Off The Air Over 'Racist' Joke - Jalopnik: http://jalopnik.com/actress-wants-top-gear-off-the-air-over-racist-joke-1553626493; Jeremy Clarkson lays into British as Twitter trolls mock death of his (1 more message)

15:47:05 mthreat: they did it in Alabama too. They wrote "Hillary for President", "NASCAR Sucks", and "Man-love rules" on their cars

15:47:15 mthreat: and they supposedly got stoned by alabamans

15:47:33 mthreat: Personally I think it's all staged, just as the Tesla battery dying incident was staged

15:47:36 pete_dushenski: mthreat: lmao so classic.

15:47:47 mthreat: but the show is still great to watch, for entertainment

15:50:16 pete_dushenski: so turns out the size of teh eligible us labour force is ~243 mn as of 2012

15:50:28 mircea_popescu: sounds about right.

15:50:39 pete_dushenski: ;;calc 92.6/143

15:50:40 gribble: 0.647552447552

15:50:41 mircea_popescu: and total employees is what, 160mn, if excluding govt 72 mn ?

15:51:07 pete_dushenski: and you have 35.25% unemployment

15:51:41 pete_dushenski: 92.6 mn "not in labour force" atm

15:51:51 mircea_popescu: https://es-es.facebook.com/fundacionfraudsters <<

15:52:13 mircea_popescu: make thing infringing on mp's trademark. have mp notice you in google. mp files complaint with fb, yest. page suspended, today.

15:52:15 mircea_popescu: a well.

15:55:54 pete_dushenski: "Clarkson, 54, was called before BBC bosses this week after The Mirror newspaper reported he was heard using the word "nigger" as he recited an old version of the rhyme Eeny, Meeny, Miny, Moe to choose between cars in filming two years ago."

15:56:02 thickasthieves: not in labor force includes retirees, disabled, toddlers?

15:56:19 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves not eligible ? yes.

15:56:50 pete_dushenski: "The furore comes just days after Top Gear producers apologised for a "light-hearted" joke by Clarkson during filming in Myanmar and Thailand, in which he referred to a "slope" on a bridge as an Asian man crossed a makeshift structure built by the presenters."

15:57:04 mircea_popescu: i dun get it ?

15:57:28 pete_dushenski: lol ya me neither.

15:57:33 thickasthieves: slope is like nigger for chinks

15:57:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17150 @ 0.00074019 = 12.6943 BTC [-]

15:57:40 pete_dushenski: who knew?

15:57:45 mircea_popescu: wait srsly ?!

15:57:48 thickasthieves: ya

15:57:50 mircea_popescu: since when ?

15:57:54 thickasthieves: sloped eyes or something

15:57:56 thickasthieves: i dunno

15:57:57 *: mircea_popescu feels totally out of the loop

15:57:58 thickasthieves: it's a thing

15:58:43 thickasthieves: Clarkson is a student of racist craft i guess

15:58:44 mircea_popescu: dude i don't spend enough time with hicks, trolls and angry ppl.

15:59:09 thickasthieves: ;;ud slope

15:59:10 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=slope | Vietnam-era charlie. Any asian resembeling one of the 'reds'.

15:59:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.11965490 BTC to 15`435 shares, 7254 satoshi per share

15:59:48 mircea_popescu: i didn't know "spook" was nigger until i saw that hopkins film, either.

15:59:50 thickasthieves: "It is an acronym for Silly Little Opium Peddling Easterner. "

15:59:51 thickasthieves: lol

16:00:01 pete_dushenski: lmao!

16:00:10 mircea_popescu: and everyone's so fucking self-important about it, you know ? necessarily you musta known whatever retarded subtext they're familiar with

16:00:29 mircea_popescu: because you definitely care as much as they do!!! because you must, because otherwise are you implying they're fucking idiots ?!?

16:00:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 0.31049676 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 27 satoshi per share

16:01:07 thickasthieves: probly more fun to make up racist names than learn them anyway

16:01:20 mircea_popescu: yeah, you hoarg

16:01:35 mircea_popescu: it's better cause you don't even need to define them, just feed them off the op's insecurities.

16:01:42 mircea_popescu: "it just means someone like you"

16:02:42 pete_dushenski: "Daughter of Hong Kong leader thanks "taxpayers" for diamonds on Facebook"

16:02:50 pete_dushenski: "The necklace on my profile pic is not a dog collar, silly!!!" she said. "This is actually a beautiful necklace bought at Lane Crawford (yes - funded by all you HK taxpayers!! So are all my beautiful shoes and dresses and clutches!! Thank you so much!!!!)".

16:02:50 pete_dushenski: Chai Yan hit out at those taunting her saying, "Actually maybe I shouldn't say 'all you'- since most of you here are probably unemployed hence all this time obsessed with bombarding me with messages". She later said, "It's ok, your mother still loves you".

16:02:59 pete_dushenski: ok that's good shit right there

16:03:13 mircea_popescu: not bad. sex tape ?

16:03:19 thickasthieves: nice

16:03:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] [PAID] 2.06919702 BTC to 29`438 shares, 7029 satoshi per share

16:03:45 thickasthieves: sex tape stars need a racist name

16:04:37 mircea_popescu: shplokes

16:04:57 pete_dushenski: slope yan leung.

16:12:22 mircea_popescu: Film crew reportedly told officers at the first checkpoint they reached after passing through Tolhuin: "We're leaving the cars, we don't want more problems. Burn them if you want but we're getting out of here."

16:12:22 mircea_popescu: An Argentinian technician hired for the Top Gear shoot is said to have been injured after a stone thrown by one of the demonstrators hit him in the face.

16:12:29 mircea_popescu: i don't get this pussy bs. why not just open fire ?

16:12:42 mircea_popescu: what are the veterans going to do, bomb you ?

16:13:02 mthreat: here are pics from an Argentine publication:

16:13:03 mthreat: http://www.infobae.com/2014/10/03/1599200-la-bbc-provoca-un-escandalo-las-islas-malvinas-argentina

16:13:03 assbot: La BBC provoca un escndalo por las Islas Malvinas en Argentina | Guerra de Malvinas, Malvinas, Islas Malvinas, BBC, Argentina, Bariloche - Amrica

16:13:11 mthreat: pics of the stoned cars, broken windows

16:13:30 mthreat: that Lotus is classic. I guess they all are but the Lotus is the best ;)

16:13:39 mircea_popescu: i wonder how much the k troop paid for this anyway

16:14:17 mircea_popescu: mthreat so i don't get it... where is the damage ?

16:14:22 mircea_popescu: they just look like dirt racers.

16:14:42 mthreat: there are some broken windows at least

16:14:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 878 @ 0.00074016 = 0.6499 BTC [-] {2}

16:14:59 mthreat: dents from rocks may be hard to see in the pics

16:15:41 mircea_popescu: ;;ud blighter

16:15:42 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=blighter | Perhaps the word is related to "blight", a plant disease that ruins potatoes (as a " blighter" tends to ruin things in which he's involved). The word appears to be ...

16:15:44 pete_dushenski: mthreat: ya that lotus is lovely. not that i'd kick the 928 out of bed either, esp. with that plate.

16:15:50 mircea_popescu: mthreat yeah but i mean... that's what dirt racing does anyway

16:18:36 pete_dushenski: speaking of slang: http://www.portenospanish.com/word/6/malco

16:18:38 assbot: What is Malco in English? - Porteo Spanish

16:19:13 pete_dushenski: this seems to describe those "trolled" by clarkson

16:20:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51962 @ 0.00074109 = 38.5085 BTC [+] {2}

16:24:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00074421 = 7.4421 BTC [+]

16:25:00 mthreat: went karting here wednesday, and have the bruises to prove it :)

16:41:38 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell nubbins` http://posters.lardbucket.org/ is this the sorriest thing you ever saw or what

16:41:39 assbot: posters.lardbucket.org

16:41:39 gribble: The operation succeeded.

16:42:44 thickasthieves: ;;ticker

16:42:45 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 361.41, Best ask: 362.99, Bid-ask spread: 1.58000, Last trade: 361.41, 24 hour volume: 15050.27264188, 24 hour low: 360.0, 24 hour high: 378.85, 24 hour vwap: 375.330137741

16:43:00 los_pantalones: thickasthieves here come your 360's

16:43:07 thickasthieves: my body is ready

16:44:08 thickasthieves: only now i thnk 360 is too expensive

16:44:12 los_pantalones: hahahaha

16:44:13 los_pantalones: what?

16:47:06 kakobrekla: a round 266 sounds more like it

16:54:15 mircea_popescu: lol

16:58:58 mircea_popescu: this eulora game engine thing is the hardest thing i ever fcking did.

16:59:18 mircea_popescu: it'd harder than mpex. this shit where i write the loot functions... god fucking help me i've never seen a more complex problem.

17:00:05 []bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $350 before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1034/ Odds: 58(Y):42(N) by coin, 48(Y):52(N) by weight. Total bet: 57.66946193 BTC. Current weight: 17,804.

17:04:20 TomServo: mircea_popescu: Do tell. I've always wondered how they worked.

17:04:33 mircea_popescu: i am never going to tell.

17:04:43 bounce: huh. bcoinnews is serving up a sack of html as text/plain. no wonder it doesn't render.

17:04:59 mircea_popescu: this is the reason the game's even worth playing in the first place. the frigging loot functions.

17:05:04 bounce: int winnar() { return 4; } // ze loot

17:05:26 mircea_popescu: eulora is not an eyecandy delivery device like every other mmorpg out there, competing in a saturated market without a bottom.

17:05:38 mircea_popescu: eulora is a math delivery device.

17:06:00 mircea_popescu: and in point of fact people love nothing more than math. that's the only thing they'll dedicate their lives to.

17:06:30 mircea_popescu: just as long as they don't have to interact with it abstractly, of course.

17:06:41 mircea_popescu: there's nothing people hate more than abstraction.

17:07:05 thickasthieves: unless ur merican

17:07:08 mircea_popescu: nope.

17:07:25 thickasthieves: doesnt meta count as abstraction?

17:07:44 thickasthieves: our only industry is promoting industry

17:08:15 thickasthieves: nothing costs what it costs

17:08:17 mats_cd03: slope refers to the forehead, i belieb

17:08:25 mats_cd03: slant referring to the eyes

17:09:15 mats_cd03: then there's other good stuff, like zipperhead and gook

17:09:56 bounce: you're trying to prove that chinks are like totally math-y?

17:10:54 mats_cd03: zipperhead hailing from 'nam, i think, and as seen in American movies like Platoon, Full Metal Jacket, and Gran Torino

17:14:09 mats_cd03: http://www.rsdb.org/race/asians some good ones ive never heard

17:14:10 assbot: The Racial Slur Database

17:14:17 ben_vulpes: ;;ud weather eye

17:14:18 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=weather+eye | weather bug · weather buggin · weather chatting · weathercoat · Weathercock · weathercock logic · weather.com ... weather eye isn't defined. Can you define it?

17:14:22 ben_vulpes: dafuq?

17:15:57 thickasthieves: weathercock logic?\

17:16:23 thickasthieves: oh

17:23:43 mats_cd03: i watched a man get savaged outside of a bar last night by a well dressed man

17:23:48 mats_cd03: i thought of mp

17:26:20 Dimsler: devolution of society

17:26:23 Dimsler: they should have just had a duel

17:27:21 mats_cd03: i'm told by a reverser i trust that windows 10 is boring from an internal perspective

17:27:41 Dimsler: must make a microsoft account to use

17:27:48 mats_cd03: no major changes to subsystems, no Windows 8 exploits that he had were patched, nor any of his tricks for bypassing SMEP, SMAP, kernel safe unlinking, low integrity processes, leaking memory/pointers, locking memory without SeLockMemoryPrivilege, leaking PFNs for VAs, changing page protections through non-standard APIs, etc

17:27:53 thickasthieves: boring from all perspectives

17:28:40 mats_cd03: no fundamental changes to userland libraries, heap implementation in ntdll, bypassuac technique still works,

17:28:48 thickasthieves: soon we'll have FREE Windows USBs in the mail

17:30:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21700 @ 0.00074655 = 16.2001 BTC [+] {2}

17:32:40 mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 why of me?!

17:33:09 Dimsler: maybe he thinks you're a savage in a suit?

17:33:40 mats_cd03: and internal MSFT rumors suggest that the skip from windows 9 to 10 was due to developers parsing os version strings of 'windows 95/98' badly, e.g. testing for just 'windows 9' in the substring

17:33:41 mircea_popescu: hey, i've not killed anyone in at least fifteen years.

17:34:02 Dimsler: can't spell manslaughter without laughter

17:34:03 mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 ahahaha that'd be the lol of all time.

17:34:10 mircea_popescu: man's laughter.

17:35:13 mats_cd03: mircea_popescu: well, you did use the phrase 'a man being savaged', and well, being a gangster in your youth. plus, the only images i've seen of you are in suits

17:35:38 mircea_popescu: savaged, of course, means this speciffic hunting technique where the preditor opens the abdominal cavity of the prey

17:35:52 mats_cd03: i felt strangely detached from the spectacle of it.

17:36:03 mats_cd03: like, hm, this is happening right now. i'm watching a man die.

17:36:08 mircea_popescu: like the african dogs do

17:36:13 mats_cd03: and none of the other clueless chicken heads have any idea what they're seeing.

17:36:53 thickasthieves: guys, stop killing people

17:37:16 xanthyos: hi

17:38:10 thickasthieves: ;;bcstats

17:38:11 gribble: Current Blocks: 323667 | Current Difficulty: 3.466142592397694E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 324575 | Next Difficulty In: 908 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 11 hours, 39 minutes, and 25 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 34013893471.0 | Estimated Percent Change: -1.86816

17:38:16 mircea_popescu: killing people is wrong mkay

17:38:18 thickasthieves: rutroh

17:38:35 Dimsler: just a little

17:38:49 mircea_popescu: whatever, we do what we want.

17:38:52 mircea_popescu: we don't even go to skool

17:38:54 thickasthieves: time to switch miners to ATC

17:38:57 thickasthieves: BTC is dead

17:39:12 mircea_popescu: it's not dead until we find a fat lady that can sing.

17:39:39 bounce: there's at least two recruiters floating around here, ought to be able to make 'emselves useful, no?

17:39:51 thickasthieves: mp here you go https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvc1yzohPXI

17:39:52 assbot: Fat Lady Sings Katy Perry ET!!! - YouTube

17:40:05 kakobrekla: now we can +m

17:40:18 Dimsler: yey

17:40:25 Dimsler: or +i

17:40:52 thickasthieves: fat lady haz tongue piercing too, for ur plezur

17:40:58 mircea_popescu: no dude she's gotta sing wagner

17:41:10 bounce: in a helicopter

17:41:14 mircea_popescu: gotterdammerung, something.

17:41:39 Dimsler: does she not have any teeth?

17:41:48 mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igAWgaW8eq4 << this thing.

17:41:48 assbot: Gtterdmmerung-Trauermarsch, Richard Wagner, Stockholm Ring, Gregor Bhl conductor - YouTube

17:42:10 thickasthieves: dimsler, theyd just get in the way

17:42:19 Dimsler: oh she eats like a duck?

17:42:21 Dimsler: makes sense

17:42:30 mircea_popescu: ducks have teeth on their bills

17:42:52 thickasthieves: she eats like a snake

17:42:53 Dimsler: incisors

17:43:02 Dimsler: those aren't to chew

17:43:17 xanthyos: homer eats like a duck http://babysimpson.co.uk/gallery/frames/8/4f19/136.jpg

17:43:45 mircea_popescu: more to filter yeah

17:43:52 thickasthieves: looks like they have teeth on the tongue too

17:44:15 thickasthieves: nice duck http://bcibcrypto.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/cid_12fc099866e3453e97a77b0ca943d5a4colourful.jpg

17:44:16 Dimsler: fucking germanic operahs

17:46:55 Dimsler: er compositions

17:49:15 []bot: Bet placed: 2 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $350 before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1034/ Odds: 61(Y):39(N) by coin, 49(Y):51(N) by weight. Total bet: 60.66946193 BTC. Current weight: 17,721.

17:49:45 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

17:49:46 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 362.83, Best ask: 363.73, Bid-ask spread: 0.90000, Last trade: 363.37, 24 hour volume: 15326.10273498, 24 hour low: 360.0, 24 hour high: 378.85, 24 hour vwap: 375.330137741

17:49:53 mircea_popescu: it's so not happening lol

17:50:34 Dimsler: the bid walls just keep getting taken out

17:51:09 Dimsler: 2600 in coins to sell to $350

17:51:25 Dimsler: woop

17:51:27 Dimsler: 1400coins

17:51:31 Dimsler: heh

17:52:15 kakobrekla: where are the leechers?

17:52:20 Dimsler: lol

17:52:23 mircea_popescu: 61(Y):39(N) by coin, 49(Y):51(N) by weight << lulziest part

17:52:37 Dimsler: if i had more cash on bitstamp

17:52:50 kakobrekla: if i had any cash!

17:53:05 Dimsler: would just leave a roving order hanging

17:54:22 kakobrekla: at least euro is also worthless

17:58:10 BingoBoingo: <thickasthieves> yknow i'm ok with qntra being all barebones design, but why on god's green earth is it left-aligned? << As opposed to...

17:58:28 kakobrekla: http://shrani.si/f/25/9q/1Xox0ZQS/fishes.png

17:58:34 mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> at least euro is also worthless << lol keep a stiff upper lip!

17:59:14 mircea_popescu: bwahahaha garr the honest person ?

17:59:31 mircea_popescu: is this the guy who lied about shil bidding on his own "auction" then being proven to have lied ?

17:59:38 kakobrekla: correct.

18:00:10 mircea_popescu: he's strategically not in the wot either, is he ?

18:00:20 kakobrekla: he is but who cares

18:00:31 kakobrekla: ;;getturst kakobrekla garr255

18:00:31 mircea_popescu: well i do

18:00:31 gribble: Error: "getturst" is not a valid command.

18:00:37 kakobrekla: thrust !

18:00:40 kakobrekla: we need it NAO!

18:00:41 mircea_popescu: getturdst ?

18:00:48 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust kakobrekla garr255

18:00:48 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user kakobrekla to user garr255: Level 1: -5, Level 2: -2 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=kakobrekla&dest=garr255 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=garr255 | Rated since: Sat Jun 16 15:01:31 2012

18:01:29 kakobrekla: o look, i was the first to negrate him

18:01:35 kakobrekla: bak in 2013

18:01:55 mircea_popescu: ;;rate garr255 -1 GLBSE scammer, poster child for all the lying & fraudulent behaviour that association would promise.

18:01:57 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user garr255 has been recorded.

18:06:45 kakobrekla: but but nefario still owes him 100btc!

18:07:33 kakobrekla: (i suspekt its made up thing)

18:08:28 mircea_popescu: the scammer train : all scammers who stil believe can hide in plain sight can conveniently claim that a well known scammer owes them.

18:08:46 mircea_popescu: this is what goat claimed re pirate, the whole clutch of them re nefario etc.

18:09:07 kakobrekla: yea, dead horse wont fight back

18:09:38 mircea_popescu: mroeover, you know how to generate infinite moneyz ?

18:09:46 mircea_popescu: by substracting infinite moneyz from negative value of moneyz.

18:10:02 mircea_popescu: also known as the "full faith and credit of the united states government" scam.

18:10:10 kakobrekla: hehe

18:16:45 xanthyos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZeomwPriDQ

18:16:45 assbot: Chapel Perilous - Along the Way to the Mystery - YouTube

18:27:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39500 @ 0.00074416 = 29.3943 BTC [-] {2}

18:30:51 thickasthieves: bingoboingo, centered, cuz most displays are wide these days

18:42:32 mats_cd03: ;;ticker

18:42:33 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 362.04, Best ask: 363.91, Bid-ask spread: 1.87000, Last trade: 362.03, 24 hour volume: 15899.40795613, 24 hour low: 360.0, 24 hour high: 378.78, 24 hour vwap: 375.226857363

18:49:22 mats_cd03: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rrs0vgRQB5Q korean rapper. not bad.

18:49:22 assbot: Video Dumbfounded - Bubba Kush [Music Video].flv - YouTube

18:51:57 mats_cd03: http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2014/10/03/jessica-williams-continues-her-war-against-catcalls-on-the-daily-show

18:51:57 assbot: Jessica Williams Continues Her War Against Catcalls on ‘The Daily Show’ - Speakeasy - WSJ

19:01:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58550 @ 0.00074149 = 43.4142 BTC [-] {3}

19:23:15 BingoBoingo: thickasthieves: What? People with giant wide displays maximize windows to read text?

19:31:39 thickasthieves: i guess i'm just in the minority

19:35:24 BingoBoingo: thickasthieves: Well the design is just to get the thing started. I just don't know of any graceful way to handle the problem of really big monitors.

19:37:37 thickasthieves: center the page

19:38:14 thickasthieves: doesnt even require css ;)

19:38:30 punkman: ol' trusty <center>

19:39:23 BingoBoingo: thickasthieves: But that leaves big ole empty wings

19:40:24 bounce: forgot whose study it was, but apparently the easiest to read is about 65 cols referencing fixed-pitch.

19:40:25 thickasthieves: well you prefer your content to be in the wing?

19:40:54 thickasthieves: or both wings on one side?

19:41:07 thickasthieves: and*

19:41:30 bounce: you should do popups complaining that the content is optimised for sane widths and please upgrade your browser and/or your resolution

19:43:39 BingoBoingo: I'll raise the issue with cazalla

19:44:12 BingoBoingo: bounce may be on to something

19:44:56 thickasthieves: yes and all browsers should be magical automatic display handlers and websites only databases

19:45:54 BingoBoingo: Well actually yes browsers should handle the display rather than the site.

19:46:15 bounce: that was the idea, originally. then web"design" happened.

19:46:17 thickasthieves: and all people should be the same

19:46:18 BingoBoingo: Websites shouldn't default to violently raping user hardware

19:46:32 thickasthieves: and all emotion removed from all things

19:46:37 thickasthieves: so we can math our lives away

19:46:38 BingoBoingo: thickasthieves: No, people get to dress up the websites however the wish

19:46:40 bounce: that is the current assumption: hipster with tablet

19:47:15 BingoBoingo: Plenty of ways to do custom CSS with pink and kittens and myspace

19:47:15 thickasthieves: people dont want to dress up websites

19:47:18 bounce: in fact, it rarely happens but could provide multiple layouts for the onlooker to choose

19:48:16 thickasthieves: i understand that a spec for website data would be convenient and provide ease and cleanliness from one perspective

19:48:24 bounce: this about that giant screenshot with two panes on either side and lots of nothing inbetween?

19:48:27 thickasthieves: it's just an impossible ideal for one paradigm

19:49:27 thickasthieves: all computers should use the same hw spec and everyone should program in the same language and use the same db sesign too

19:49:29 bounce: meh. most often all sorts of unwarranted assumptions creep in; web"design" does tent to focus on one thing and massively over-engineers with gratuitous js-reinvention of basic stuff to make it look "nicer"

19:49:56 BingoBoingo: I don't think the current super mininum style is going to be a permanent feature on qntra, but... page load times are a thing. Got to plan for people accessing the internet using dialup through a payphone.

19:50:03 thickasthieves: i'm not saying many websites arent ridiculous

19:50:12 thickasthieves: i'm saying both extremes are

19:50:17 *: punkman remembers the derps trying to do webfonts before we had webfonts

19:51:09 bounce: in this case it might be more useful to not stick one pane on the right and another on the left hand side, but position them relative to each other instead

19:52:00 bounce: or let the browser put them next or below each other, depending on actual window width.

19:52:50 thickasthieves: the problem is you cant get browsers to fall in line to that kinda thing

19:53:06 thickasthieves: ie microshit everything displaying diff

19:53:32 bounce: you'd have to release the notion of getting an identical picture everywhere. you're not serving up "an experience" or "a picture" or whatever, you're serving up content.

19:53:54 thickasthieves: most people arent though

19:54:02 thickasthieves: they are serving up advertising

19:54:05 thickasthieves: products

19:54:06 thickasthieves: etc

19:54:15 thickasthieves: brands

19:54:15 bounce: though I'd be perfectly willing to ignore any and all redmond products regardless of reported usage percentages, they just don't play well with others

19:59:20 thickasthieves: btce price is $14 below others

20:01:10 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

20:01:16 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 361.53, vol: 17577.11989493 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 348.5, vol: 8496.01598 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 362.2, vol: 18786.5756587 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 370.15, vol: 40.38435468 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 367.965036, vol: 23053.71410000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 355.0, vol: 20.27 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 368.311266445, vol: 79.21147285 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)

20:02:42 Duffer1: business as usual

20:05:58 BingoBoingo: Seems so. Buterin's waterfall keeps a churning

20:08:53 mats_cd03: https://secupwn.github.io/Android-IMSI-Catcher-Detector

20:09:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00074212 = 8.5344 BTC [+]

20:19:26 BingoBoingo: !up william1

20:19:28 BingoBoingo: http://www.globalresearch.ca/pharmaceutical-giant-glaxosmithkline-accidentally-released-45-liters-of-concentrated-live-polio-virus-in-the-environment/5405801

20:19:28 assbot: Pharmaceutical Giant GlaxoSmithKline “Accidentally” Released 45 Liters of Concentrated Live Polio Virus in the Environment | Global Research

20:19:53 william1: Well thats an impressive feat

20:21:24 thickasthieves: mmm polio

20:21:31 jurov: they were trying to eradicate these "various orthodox protestant communities"

20:22:16 william1: Well at least their hearts were in the right place

20:24:10 dignork: mats_cd03: kosher presentation on why IMSI-catcher is a wrong answer: http://www.slideshare.net/grugq/mobile-opsec

20:24:11 assbot: Click and Dragger: Denial and Deception on Android mobile

20:24:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 297 @ 0.006 = 1.782 BTC [-] {4}

20:25:05 mats_cd03: seen it

20:25:26 mats_cd03: his presentations on opsec are always excellent

20:25:33 TheNewDeal: ;;ticker

20:25:34 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 360.79, Best ask: 361.77, Bid-ask spread: 0.98000, Last trade: 361.82, 24 hour volume: 17795.06905467, 24 hour low: 357.0, 24 hour high: 378.78, 24 hour vwap: 374.816987872

20:28:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22800 @ 0.00074212 = 16.9203 BTC [+]

20:28:43 penguirker: New blog post: https://www.bcoinnews.com/bitcoin-asic-manufacturer-bfl/

20:35:51 mats_cd03: an excellent presentation on why blackphone et. al is stupid.

20:36:10 jurov: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/09/windows-10-command-prompt-finally-gets-dragged-into-the-21st-century/

20:36:11 assbot: Windows 10 command prompt finally gets dragged into the 21st century | Ars Technica

20:36:11 william1: Wasn't it torn apart within 15 minutes of it being revealed?

20:38:40 BingoBoingo: jurov: Wait, WindowsX has a clicky graphical dialogue for... Setting command line properties?

20:38:54 *: jurov chuckles

20:45:27 mats_cd03: ars writer is so enthused

20:47:06 bounce: fanbois will be fanbois. people fawning over powershell like it's the bestest thing evar and not, oh, twenty years late to the party? bit of a giveaway.

20:47:25 jurov: and transparent background!!1

20:47:51 xanthyos: presumed intent is FUCKED

20:50:02 william1: The US gov is generally fucked, no new information there

21:23:51 asciilifeform: https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/10/03/killing-americans-white-house-lawn-wrong

21:23:51 assbot: Killing Americans on the White House Lawn Is Wrong - The Intercept

21:23:54 asciilifeform: ^ mega-lol

21:24:03 *: asciilifeform was actually surprised there wasn't a minefield

21:28:29 penguirker: New blog post: https://www.bcoinnews.com/star-citizen-new-ships/

21:49:20 cazalla: thickasthieves: yknow i'm ok with qntra being all barebones design, but why on god's green earth is it left-aligned? <<< just turn your head a little to the left, fixed

21:51:08 cazalla: i guess it's something to keep in mind when/if it comes time to redesign the site but for time being, i think it's acceptable

21:55:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14050 @ 0.00074212 = 10.4268 BTC [+]

22:05:46 jurov: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg9069908#msg9069908 r/buttcoin follows *this* ? that's helluva dedication

22:05:46 assbot: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion

22:07:07 jurov: 9024 pages *gasp*

22:10:23 thickasthieves: http://www.coindesk.com/russia-proposes-fines-bitcoin/

22:10:24 assbot: Russia Proposes Monetary Penalties for Bitcoin Use and Promotion

22:10:25 jurov: http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2013/257/8/8/angel_whale_by_livanvellnight-d6m84d2.jpg (* ^ *)

22:18:31 thickasthieves: lol angel whale

22:19:37 kakobrekla: angel whale sleeps with the fishes now

22:22:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.00074103 = 8.6701 BTC [-]

22:39:19 mircea_popescu: <bounce> forgot whose study it was, but apparently the easiest to read is about 65 cols referencing fixed-pitch. << bunch of military studies over the years, 60 to 80 in anyu case.

22:43:50 mircea_popescu: *: punkman remembers the derps trying to do webfonts before we had webfonts <<< now that was a riot

22:46:56 mircea_popescu: "It is NOT impossible to have such an enormous (gigantic) ginormous rise in prices - eg from $300 to $10k; however, the lower that BTC prices go, the more difficult it becomes to imagine such an upward BTC price explosion.... .. such as 30x..."

22:47:10 mircea_popescu: jurov you will notice that a) all this was injected into the conversation via bitbet and b) fucktards, srsly.

22:47:24 mircea_popescu: it's exactl;y backwards, the smaller the base, the easier high percentiles are.

22:48:30 thickasthieves: yep

22:48:44 thickasthieves: the lower we go the more faith i have in a bubble

22:51:14 thickasthieves: ;;ticker --market all

22:51:26 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 357.57, vol: 20022.97553918 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 343.088, vol: 9410.68472 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 359.49, vol: 20531.0586212 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 370.0, vol: 36.33602895 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 365.241348, vol: 24566.86020000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 355.0, vol: 20.27 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 365.438, vol: 86.35057784 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)

22:57:30 mircea_popescu: Abuses under Obiang have included "unlawful killings by security forces; government-sanctioned kidnappings; systematic torture of prisoners and detainees by security forces; life threatening conditions in prisons and detention facilities; impunity; arbitrary arrest, detention, and incommunicado detention."

22:57:39 mircea_popescu: dude, check it out : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Teodoro_Obiang_Nguema_Mbasogo_with_Obamas.jpg

22:57:46 mircea_popescu: united states of ecuatorial guineea!

23:04:55 thickasthieves: get ready for a barrage of 350 bets

23:08:53 danielpbarron: seems to be a very large number of transactions happening at the moment, from my full node's point of view

23:09:26 thickasthieves: people panic selling?

23:09:47 thickasthieves: bitcoin hacked

23:09:48 danielpbarron: or excitement buying -- or both

23:11:35 mircea_popescu: there are bunches of txn firing off yes

23:14:22 thickasthieves: it's the diff drop armageddon

23:17:02 mircea_popescu: jurov http://redditmetrics.com/r/fraudsters << lol

23:21:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15395 @ 0.00074305 = 11.4393 BTC [+] {2}

23:23:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HASH] 587 @ 0.00226393 = 1.3289 BTC [+] {8}

23:51:26 mod6: ;;bc,stats

23:51:28 gribble: Current Blocks: 323707 | Current Difficulty: 3.466142592397694E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 324575 | Next Difficulty In: 868 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 19 hours, 48 minutes, and 43 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 34120792594.7 | Estimated Percent Change: -1.55976

23:53:04 mod6: ;;rewardhalf

23:53:04 gribble: Error: "rewardhalf" is not a valid command.

23:53:17 mod6: ;;halfreward

23:53:18 gribble: Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Tue Aug 2 16:43:16 2016 UTC | Time remaining: 1 year, 43 weeks, 2 days, 16 hours, 50 minutes, and 0 seconds.

23:56:35 thickasthieves: thatll be fun

23:57:37 mod6: been a long time since i looked at that. saw we're under 100k blocks to go