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00:16:00 asciilifeform: phf: yes!

00:16:03 asciilifeform: indeed it is there

00:16:14 asciilifeform: and there is a buncha rubbish/deadcode that needs to go, as well

00:16:30 asciilifeform: perhaps more interesting is my discovery that... the thing breaks 'v'

00:16:34 asciilifeform: (at least ~my~ 'v')

00:17:10 asciilifeform: !rated phf

00:17:10 assbot: You rated user phf on 01-Aug-2015, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: ru lisper.

00:17:37 shinohai: ;;later tell mod6 Arch 64 is a go

00:17:38 gribble: The operation succeeded.

00:17:48 asciilifeform: !rate phf 2 ru lisper; sometimes tests my code, even

00:17:48 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/fe5f523b72c474cf

00:18:33 asciilifeform: !v assbot:asciilifeform.rate.phf.2:d4a65b74f416edc4a69b3b1a3dcf57c1952b685ac3c2fb37aa438b8d96e53ea8

00:18:33 assbot: Successfully updated the rating for phf from 1 to 2 with note: ru lisper; sometimes tests my code, even

00:20:02 asciilifeform: ;;later tell jurov http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-11-2015#1314325 << the issue is specifically with the items ~as found on my www hoster~

00:20:02 assbot: Logged on 02-11-2015 23:09:39; jurov: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-October/000175.html downloaded with firefox and verified okay

00:20:03 gribble: The operation succeeded.

00:24:56 phf: oh, ty

00:25:39 phf: yeah, the i18n stuff was preventing me from building it, but otherwise it works (with some extra modifications to get it running under clang/macsosx, but those are inconsequential)

00:29:57 asciilifeform: i'd like to get it to a point where it builds without any blood sacrifices on all vaguely-posixy machines

00:44:37 ag3nt_zer0: anyone around?

00:45:30 ag3nt_zer0: oh ok... couldnt see the nickname list for a sec

00:46:07 ag3nt_zer0: how's it goin out there?

00:57:07 mircea_popescu: yea ?

00:59:11 mod6: asciilifeform: mod6 feature request for your 'v' - degrade gracefully if the graphing lib thing is absent plz << sure, will look into it. thx!

00:59:39 mod6: <shinohai> Arch 64 is a go << cool! thanks for testing.

01:01:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 140429 @ 0.00055348 = 77.7246 BTC [+] {11}

01:10:03 shinohai: 6.02214179 × 10^23 in teh Vatican: http://www.nola.com/religion/index.ssf/2015/11/a_mole_in_the_vatican_2_arrest.html

01:10:03 assbot: A mole in the Vatican? 2 accused of leaking documents | NOLA.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1Sk7WWO )

01:10:03 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what do you mean it breaks v!

01:13:18 mircea_popescu: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/51/Paul_Ryan_official_portrait.jpg << dear lord the degeneracy

01:13:20 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Sk8f3Q )

01:13:30 mircea_popescu: another decade or so the us congress will look just like nero's senate.

01:23:48 mod6: ok i've resolved that issue asciilifeform, I'll test on it for a few days and probably post a new version this coming weekend.

01:24:27 mod6: just so we're clear, this change makes it so "use Graph::Easy" is not required unless the 'g|graph' flag is passed.

01:27:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15650 @ 0.00055662 = 8.7111 BTC [+] {4}

01:43:53 mircea_popescu: from the tinfoil hat chronicles :

01:44:02 mircea_popescu: "Tom Morello was born on May 30, 1964, in Harlem, New York to Ngethe Njoroge and Mary Morello. Njoroge was Kikuyu Kenyan and a Mau Mau guerrilla. Jomo Kenyatta, the revolutionary leader of the Mau Mau, was his uncle. Njoroge served as liberated Kenya?s first ambassador to the U.N. In August 1963, Njoroge and Mary met at a pro democracy protest in Nairobi, Kenya. In November 1963 after discovering her pregnancy, Mary

01:44:03 mircea_popescu: returned to the United States with Njoroge in toll, and married in New York City.

01:44:03 mircea_popescu: Undoubtedly, Mary Morello similarly to Ann Dunham worked for either the U.S. State Department under Dean Rusk through the USAID student operations ran by Helms to infiltrate leftist Black African Liberation Movements to disrupt, recruit and inform. Ann Dunham was three months pregnant when she married Barack Obama Sr. on February 2, 1961. While Obama Jr. was being conceived in 1960, Mary Morello was circulating in Nair

01:44:05 mircea_popescu: obi, Kenya. Mary Morello had travelled to Kenya as well as Germany, Spain, Japan under a clandestine veil as an English language teacher between 1957 and 1963.

01:44:08 mircea_popescu: After graduating from Libertyville High School, Tom Morello was the first student in Libertyville?s history to be admitted to Harvard University. Yet when he graduated with a degree in political science, Tom Morello asserts that he was ?unemployable.? He then turned up in Hollywood as an exotic male stripper.

01:44:12 mircea_popescu: Ordinarily that?s the way the story is suppose to end, two small town boys from Middle America makes good. It was just faith that two young white independent American females just happened to be in the right place and right time [one in the middle of the East Africa] by chance meet two centrally placed Black African Liberation figures key to the interests of British and U.S. Foreign Policy.

01:44:19 mircea_popescu: One entangles the nephew of one of the most important and powerful Black Nationalist political figures of the 20th Century, Jomo Kenyatta, and the other entangles a key tribal rival to Kenyatta in love child triangles just at the moment of the critical end to a long bloody struggle for Kenyan independence from white colonial rule."

01:52:27 mircea_popescu: in other news : http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/images/harvard%20cheating%20exam.jpg no fucking wonder they're so inept. THIS is what they do. roughly the equivalent of a stargazing army staff.

01:52:28 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GIIngY )

01:53:04 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=21-08-2015#1247708 <<< the scars resultant.

01:53:04 assbot: Logged on 21-08-2015 23:21:00; mircea_popescu: "Welcome, kiddo, to how the real world works. You go ahead and place your crazy protest bids way off in the bottom of the sociological order book and scream that someday, SOMEDAY, the market will come down to meet you, and you will be vindicated.

01:53:54 mircea_popescu: political science is almost like finance now. great victory for the scientific!

01:54:37 BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/11/000webhost-penetrated-13-million-plaintext-passwords-compromised/#comment-72691

01:54:38 assbot: 000webhost Penetrated: 13 Million Plaintext Passwords Compromised | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1XKLrxc )

01:56:58 BingoBoingo: Random companies now feel like they gotta apologize in qntra comments nao

02:00:23 *: mircea_popescu polishes the hammer

02:02:33 *: mircea_popescu proceeds to re-read the "sociological order book" thing. yup, makes perfect sense. cryptography, who needs it when they've got "best business practices" and pr and whatnot. mainstream media! valuable knowledge and know-how! etc!

02:03:48 BingoBoingo: Derps gotta herp while the Hurping is hot

02:09:25 mircea_popescu: in other old news, https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/former-congressional-aide-accused-of-drugging-and-sexually-assaulting-women/2012/08/31/6cea9b34-f311-11e1-adc6-87dfa8eff430_story.html

02:09:27 assbot: Former congressional aide accused of drugging and sexually assaulting women - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1GIJixM )

02:09:44 mircea_popescu: twist : he's black.

02:10:52 mircea_popescu: (d, obv.)

02:13:21 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-11-2015#1314362 << something in the mpi pile of shit breaks the regex

02:13:21 assbot: Logged on 03-11-2015 01:10:03; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what do you mean it breaks v!

02:13:40 mircea_popescu: ugh

02:14:12 asciilifeform: i suspect a stray 8th bit somewhere

02:14:31 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-11-2015#1314360 << do they have own jail ?

02:14:31 assbot: Logged on 03-11-2015 01:10:03; shinohai: 6.02214179 × 10^23 in teh Vatican: http://www.nola.com/religion/index.ssf/2015/11/a_mole_in_the_vatican_2_arrest.html

02:14:38 asciilifeform: or subcontract to italy

02:15:13 asciilifeform: from fishwrap linked earlier, https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/one-time-nsa-division-chief-to-plead-guilty-in-young-sons-death-court-files-show/2015/11/02/e82f6c70-81a2-11e5-a7ca-6ab6ec20f839_story.html

02:15:14 assbot: One-time NSA division chief to plead guilty in young son’s death, court files show - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1GIJxc9 )

02:15:18 asciilifeform: ^ anyone recall this?

02:15:39 asciilifeform: (it came up before, long ago)

02:17:15 asciilifeform: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/severance-guilty-in-three-high-profile-killings-in-alexandria/2015/11/02/325cafb6-79b4-11e5-a958-d889faf561dc_story.html << from same. also mega-l0l

02:17:16 assbot: Severance guilty in three high-profile killings in Alexandria - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1GIJCNd )

02:17:36 asciilifeform: 'An eccentric history buff was found guilty Monday of killing three prominent Alexandria residents over the course of a decade..... Prosecutors said he was motivated by bitterness over a child custody battle that he lost and a general hatred of Alexandria?s elite..'

02:18:09 asciilifeform: mug shot suggests that they caught... rasputin ?

02:18:27 mircea_popescu: lmao

02:19:02 asciilifeform: earlier, 'The case against Charles Severance, who turned 55 last month in the Fairfax County jail, is a circumstantial one, predicated largely on Severance?s voluminous writings and ballistics evidence that isn?t as conclusive as prosecutors might like.'

02:19:35 mircea_popescu: awww, nsa division head fell into the "find me five lines and i'll hang him" trap ?

02:19:42 asciilifeform: how else.

02:20:02 mircea_popescu: listen up, remaining ones... you won't know which of you isn't on my books already. but you know YOU aren't, and now you know it'll mean your ass.

02:20:14 mircea_popescu: get with the program, there's no prizes for being the last traitor of a dying state.

02:20:47 asciilifeform: somewhere a kryuchkov is nervously fondling his luger

02:22:44 asciilifeform: 'Their most convincing piece of evidence might be Severance?s writings, seized from his car and through various electronic means.'

02:24:09 mircea_popescu: im sure they're very convincing.

02:25:58 asciilifeform: (elsewhere) 'Severance was arrested in March 2014 over the murders after he sought asylum at the Russian Embassy in D.C. He was reportedly 'sent away' from the embassy and told he was an 'unwanted guest'.'

02:26:21 mircea_popescu: almost qntrable.

02:28:12 asciilifeform: the 'damning writings' themselves are - unsurprisingly - not public anywhere, afaik.

02:28:32 mircea_popescu: but they are convincing!

02:29:04 asciilifeform: 'a prosecutor told a jury Wednesday. The killings, carried out over roughly a decade, were nothing short of ?political assassinations.? ?Introduce murder into a safe and secure neighborhood,? Alexandria Assistant Commonwealth?s Attorney David Lord quoted from Severance?s writings.'

02:30:18 asciilifeform: 'A former Virginia political candidate was convicted on Monday of three murders over an 11-year span that fed fears of a serial killer in the U.S. capital area.'

02:30:23 asciilifeform: candidate, lol

02:30:38 asciilifeform: '...ran for mayor and Congress. He sometimes wore a tricorn hat, was known for ranting in public and once threw a punch at the organizer of a mayoral debate.'

02:30:56 asciilifeform: (paging emperor norton!)

02:32:54 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> almost qntrable. << Someone give it the right treatment it could be.

02:33:38 mod6: asciilifeform: looks like my version handled it ok? http://dpaste.com/38PTAHG.txt

02:33:38 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1XKOZzz )

02:33:50 mircea_popescu: wird.

02:34:07 asciilifeform: 'Lord [prosecutor] also said he believed that Severance did not leave forensic evidence at the scene of any of the killings because he wore gloves. He pointed out that ballistics experts said it was exceedingly rare for a killing to be carried out with the type of .22-caliber ammunition used in each case and added that Severance displayed guilty behavior by fleeing to the Russian Embassy in the District after police initially

02:34:07 asciilifeform: contacted him about Lodato's killing.'

02:34:26 asciilifeform: mod6: odd!

02:35:21 asciilifeform: and wtf, the usg Official Truth is that MOST small arms homicides in usa have .22 hole.

02:35:27 asciilifeform: last i saw.

02:36:12 asciilifeform: jury was either a) not told this b) knew but was Officially ordered to disregard ?

02:36:13 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> and wtf, the usg Official Truth is that MOST small arms homicides in usa have .22 hole. << Pehaps he had the fancy copper plate stuff.

02:36:20 mod6: oh, i did notice that your vpatch does have dates in it though. you probably just had an older version of vdiff?

02:36:36 asciilifeform: mod6: hm it appears so.

02:36:53 mod6: mine still didn't seem to care, but maybe try yours without ts's?

02:37:06 asciilifeform: mod6: the price i pay for having half-finished crud lying around

02:37:14 mircea_popescu: i still dunno why it would have died

02:37:15 mod6: i hear ya :]

02:37:18 mircea_popescu: and perhaps it should be fuzzed

02:37:49 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my original 'v' relied on python's 're' (regexp) widget, and will prolly fall down if looked at with evil eye

02:38:15 mircea_popescu: a

02:38:22 mircea_popescu: a ok this isn't his

02:40:47 asciilifeform: 'In another passage he writes, ?I?ve been nudging and trolling for over a decade and nobody has noticed. Violence wins. Assassinate because it is in the best interest of the child.?'

02:41:04 asciilifeform: 'Defense lawyers for Charles Severance, 54, of Ashburn, had asked the judge to bar prosecutors from using the writing as evidence out of concern that his inflammatory message would unfairly rile up a jury against him.'

02:41:37 asciilifeform: ( http://valawyersweekly.com/2015/06/25/judge-prosecutors-can-show-jurors-severances-writings )

02:44:33 ben_vulpes: regex is black fucking magic

02:46:17 asciilifeform: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3182471178876789@naggum.net.html << see also

02:46:18 assbot: Re: Can I use Lisp? - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1GIL6ah )

02:47:02 asciilifeform: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3241270848355795@naggum.no.html << same re: perl.

02:47:03 assbot: Re: Is there a useful distinction between "programming" and "scripting" languages? - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1GIL95Y )

02:47:48 asciilifeform: naggum, of course, did not touch upon the real root of the disease

02:47:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24400 @ 0.00055009 = 13.4222 BTC [-] {2}

02:48:07 asciilifeform: which is that the shrinkage of design space led us into a place where often one MUST use a regexp or a similarly braindamaged thing

02:48:14 asciilifeform: because the alternative is ?????????

02:49:01 mircea_popescu: in seeminglyt unrelated news,

02:49:02 mircea_popescu: "Before, the experience of addiction was entirely subjective, is it messing up your life? Now, it's been objectified, the subject's relationship with the drug is is no longer relevant, it is the fact of the drug that is relevant. The obvious example of this sleight of hand is that there's alcohol use and alcohol abuse, but there's no such category as cocaine use, even though the vast majority of its ingestion has nothi

02:49:02 mircea_popescu: ng to do with addiction. The reinforcement is from the outside to comply with this idiocy: say you party down one weekend, then a random drug test at work, oops! So two things can happen, Guess What Happens Next: you could tell the truth that the coke was on her ass and how could you not? doesn't make you a bad person; or pretend/admit you're an addict and agree to go to rehab. So it's unanimous? You keep your job

02:49:03 mircea_popescu: at McDonalds and the system gets another data point confirming it is right. I hope the parallel between this and anything written by Solzhenitsyn is immediately obvious, if not, read anything by Solzhenitsyn. The Matrix doesn't need you, but it will offer you a free pass if you help get the other batteries in line."

02:49:08 asciilifeform: pushing around huge fucking tanks of unstructured text sludge that has to be picked apart by machine every single fucking time you want to do anything - leads to regexp.

02:49:23 ben_vulpes: punkman: https://github.com/pgbovine/CDE/blob/master/scripts/package_completer.py#L39

02:49:24 assbot: CDE/package_completer.py at master · pgbovine/CDE · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1XKQqOl )

02:49:40 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and ironically the tanks of sludge got to be in the first place because "people want to read the code".

02:49:50 asciilifeform: aha.

02:50:12 asciilifeform: but also because 'why not have diff output a sexpr?' 'ewwwww parens omfg!1111111'

02:50:25 mircea_popescu: romney should have run on a platform of "there may be only one compiler and one namespace per generation and whoever breaks it we'll sell to ethiopian slavers"

02:50:51 mircea_popescu: forget "fiscal conservative" bs. information conservative.

02:51:04 asciilifeform: if it's one where diff and every single fucking thing under the sun doesn't operate on sexprs or something isomorphic - we get exactly to the same place we are now.

02:51:21 mircea_popescu: no, because no "autoconf" nor "make" bs

02:51:42 asciilifeform: we are dealing with a very basic mathematical issue

02:51:44 mircea_popescu: and it wouldn't be sexprs it'd be asts

02:51:49 asciilifeform: no different from the african huts that won't stand up

02:52:05 asciilifeform: sexpr is merely one way to represent an unambiguously-parseable ast

02:52:09 mircea_popescu: aha.

02:52:13 asciilifeform: which is why i said 'or isomorphic'

02:52:16 mircea_popescu: but focusing on the format is pointless.

02:52:20 mircea_popescu: right

02:52:36 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i am in the habit of sending various relatives snippets to paste into sbcl and limited instructions on what to do

02:53:01 ben_vulpes: (re parens)

02:53:10 asciilifeform: and...?

02:53:13 ben_vulpes: works!

02:53:15 mircea_popescu: we now know enough - through our own work of digging and torture-extracted confessions, no less - to estimate that a large if not the largest pillar of the insanity was rms&co misguided quest to protect "but people want to read the code".

02:53:33 ben_vulpes: these are molecular researchy folks and the like

02:53:50 mircea_popescu: io hope you're sending them as docx

02:54:00 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how's that

02:54:02 asciilifeform: ?

02:54:13 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform recall the "can't expose ast" drama ?

02:54:22 asciilifeform: aha

02:54:29 ben_vulpes: i don't, praytell?

02:54:46 asciilifeform: the thing he did is called (at least by ilkka kokkarinen, who introduced me to the concept),

02:54:50 asciilifeform: 'unprincipled exception'

02:55:21 asciilifeform: 'yes, everyone can read the code!' 'but now we gotta make it so that we aren't working for microshit for free because no one can actually make'em obey gpl'

02:55:21 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes recent rms/everyone else fallout over whether llvm is good or not and gcc should or shouyld not expose the ast

02:55:32 mircea_popescu: quite.

02:55:35 asciilifeform: so we got obfuscatory obscurantist skulduggery.

02:55:52 mircea_popescu: they were wrong btw. should have worked for ms for free.

02:55:57 ben_vulpes: "In all likelihood, there was no

02:55:57 ben_vulpes: change at all to the labor-intensiveness, but the labor was more "fun" for a

02:55:58 ben_vulpes: certain class of people."

02:55:58 mircea_popescu: just like bitcoin works for obama for frere

02:56:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42340 @ 0.00054942 = 23.2624 BTC [-] {2}

02:56:02 ben_vulpes: ahahahaha

02:56:08 ben_vulpes: or stan works for tmsr~ for free

02:56:09 mircea_popescu: as in "i'll slit your throat and rape your sluts" free

02:56:09 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is how we got apple.

02:56:15 asciilifeform: (the current, post-nextstep apple)

02:56:32 mircea_popescu: i disagree.

02:57:07 mircea_popescu: we would have gotten apple no matter what, even withoujt computing. apple is what happens when an ambitious young man gets lucky with the media buys early and then sticks to it.

02:57:20 asciilifeform: everything in an apple product that actually fuking WORKS, silently, tirelessly, without fail, without generating 'work' for armies of vermin - was written by folks who never dreamed that it would end up in a commercial unix

02:57:27 mircea_popescu: (it's a testament to the idiocy of america : you can FORCE them into liking anything.)

02:57:29 asciilifeform: (because they were dim, yes)

02:57:58 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that's how we got the earlier apple.

02:58:12 asciilifeform: i'm speaking of the present-day one, which destroyed every other commercial unix house

02:58:31 asciilifeform: at least partly because it never had to pay for what became the os.

02:58:44 mircea_popescu: the "commercial unix houses" were the happy marriage of imbeciles to eighteen-abortions whores.

02:58:57 asciilifeform: sun was a legit thing for a spell

02:59:03 mircea_popescu: fucking medieval shogun'd have murdered them.

02:59:03 asciilifeform: (through 1995 or so)

02:59:13 asciilifeform: even hp

02:59:23 mircea_popescu: hp SELECTED fiorina.

02:59:25 mircea_popescu: ye ken ?

02:59:40 *: asciilifeform once owned a massive 'tempest'-shielded pa-risc monstrosity

02:59:43 mircea_popescu: here's a bit of truth for one bb : "Note that when scienticians talk about, say, the increase in alcoholism, they never go back before WWII, otherwise they'd have to label most ancient Greeks, all Vikings and everyone in colonial America as alcoholics. "Well," they'll explain, "it wasn't until then we started rigorously treating people as data points." "

03:00:11 mircea_popescu: funnily, the DO NOT apply the same principle to "climate data".

03:08:54 ben_vulpes: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/28/herpes-simplex-virus-cold-sores-who << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=18-06-2015#1167583

03:08:56 assbot: Herpes affects two-thirds of people under 50, WHO says | World news | The Guardian

03:08:56 assbot: Logged on 18-06-2015 14:04:54; mircea_popescu: except pretty much everyone can be made to develop mouth herpes by stressing the liver in a particular manner

03:09:49 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: source for that claim of yours?

03:12:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 133038 @ 0.0005456 = 72.5855 BTC [-] {7}

03:18:29 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: a good 80% of adults in usa, iirc, have the antibody.

03:21:36 asciilifeform: 'Severance?s mother said her son flew a skull-and-crossbones flag at the family home, developed an interest in crystals and once took money that his family thought he was spending on college tuition and invested it in Chrysler.'

03:21:45 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what does it mean to "have the antibody", that one's body produces it?

03:21:53 asciilifeform: aha

03:22:26 asciilifeform: it is difficult to count a virus in the proper sense.

03:22:28 mircea_popescu: which claim of mine ?

03:24:25 asciilifeform: 'Defense attorneys, for example, had previously said they might seek to point the finger at another suspect ? Nancy Dunning?s late husband, former Alexandria sheriff James Dunning, who had a tumultuous relationship with his wife. Perhaps laying the groundwork in the case, Severance?s parents and sister disputed Wednesday that Severance was the man caught on surveillance video possibly following Nancy Dunning at a Target

03:24:25 asciilifeform: store shortly before she was killed.' <<< ahahahaha finally.

03:24:40 asciilifeform: finally we have the missing piece.

03:25:03 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: qntra?

03:28:04 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-11-2015#1314522 << hp lost its soul when it surrendered to x86

03:28:04 assbot: Logged on 03-11-2015 02:59:23; mircea_popescu: hp SELECTED fiorina.

03:28:10 asciilifeform: everything followed logically from this.

03:28:24 asciilifeform: today it is a necromantic husk of its former self, like sgi.

03:28:42 asciilifeform: ^^ which still exists, yes!

03:29:14 asciilifeform: ... as a thin veil for usg's 'strategic supercomputing' pig trough

03:29:19 asciilifeform: running 100% intel.

03:29:58 asciilifeform: ditto (the late) sun microsystems.

03:30:06 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: except pretty much everyone can be made to develop mouth herpes by stressing the liver in a particular manner

03:30:08 asciilifeform: ditto compaq.

03:30:19 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: immune system, rather than liver

03:30:45 asciilifeform: but otherwise - yes. the latent carriers will develop symptoms as the virus moves from the nerve to the skin.

03:30:53 asciilifeform: (when immunocompromised.)

03:31:27 mircea_popescu: i don't have a source in that sense. you can quote me as an expert.

03:32:43 mircea_popescu: in any case : an effectual immune response keeps this particular virus well contained. its efficiency is predicated on a well functioning liver because of peculiar synthesis pathways that are narrow and easily stress that i don't recall extemporaneously.

03:33:00 phf: sgi had the best implementation of x window system. i briefly had an o2, hand me down from a retrocomputing enthusiast

03:33:13 asciilifeform: phf: i still have an o2 at $redacted

03:33:15 asciilifeform: it worx

03:33:21 asciilifeform: spiffy box, terrible os

03:33:31 asciilifeform: (irix scarcely had any notion of security at all)

03:33:48 asciilifeform: mips cpu, and crossbar switch (yes!) instead of a bus.

03:35:35 asciilifeform: these were the ~physically~ spiffiest workstations i've ever laid hands on, bar none.

03:35:50 phf: true

03:36:01 asciilifeform: http://www.nekochan.net/w/images/thumb/c/ca/SGI_Octane_2_closeup.jpg/300px-SGI_Octane_2_closeup.jpg << it.

03:36:04 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1WvoOKB )

03:36:07 asciilifeform: (not mine. but same type)

03:36:16 asciilifeform: http://www.blakespot.com/sgi/images/sgi_open1.jpg << inside.

03:36:17 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1WvoPhD )

03:36:28 asciilifeform: solid steel everything.

03:36:34 asciilifeform: shielded.

03:38:33 asciilifeform: thing even had a separate port for 3g glasses.

03:38:37 asciilifeform: which i used.

03:39:22 asciilifeform: and worked far better than anything sold today, afaik.

03:40:39 mircea_popescu: looks a little like a pickle jar.

03:41:02 asciilifeform: actually it always reminded me of childhood ЗИЛ fridge.

03:41:22 asciilifeform: http://vse.kz/uploads/monthly_02_2012/post-229063-0-19273400-1330330086.jpg << it

03:41:30 mircea_popescu: or that.

03:41:42 asciilifeform: or, even moar so, https://h-a.d-cd.net/cb0661u-960.jpg

03:41:44 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1l5nwKM )

03:41:50 phf: that actually looks like octane, i had the low end O2 version

03:43:50 phf: i sold my retrohardware before one of the moves, because, i'm ashamed to say, in 2007 it seemed like "mac, you're my unix now"

03:44:39 asciilifeform: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SGI_O2#/media/File:SGI_O2-IMG_7215.jpg << neato

03:44:39 assbot: SGI O2 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1Wvpujf )

03:44:52 asciilifeform: most desktop pc chassis still lack this ^

03:47:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24400 @ 0.00053941 = 13.1616 BTC [-] {3}

03:48:29 asciilifeform: phf: in 2007 it was - esp. if you're into laptops - ~the~ unix.

03:48:32 asciilifeform: as, sadly, today.

03:53:46 asciilifeform: http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/gyQAAOSwlaxWNsi8/s-l1600.jpg << yes, that's cast iron.

03:53:46 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Wvqhkh )

03:54:15 asciilifeform: (or possibly cast Al. but heavy.)

03:55:40 phf: still can be had for peanuts, but of course can't get back the time investment into "living with mac", re the in-log points about "running linux since 99"

03:56:03 asciilifeform: i remember, as a schoolboy, wanting very few things more than to own a 'proper unix workstation'

03:56:34 asciilifeform: sorta assumed that they would keep existing.

03:57:01 asciilifeform: (defined, in my mind then, largely as 'physically incapable of running winblowz')

03:58:30 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: qntra? << reading into it, mebbe?

03:59:05 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: read especially into the part with the sheriff.

03:59:52 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> here's a bit of truth for one bb : "Note that when scienticians talk about, say, the increase in alcoholism, they never go back before WWII, otherwise they'd have to label most ancient Greeks, all Vikings and everyone in colonial America as alcoholics. "Well," they'll explain, "it wasn't until then we started rigorously treating people as data points." " << Or the society is broken as illustrated by the differing

03:59:52 BingoBoingo: 'Murican and Eastern European interspecies relationship with bears

04:00:05 mircea_popescu: or that.

04:00:18 phf: see, that's cause your priorities were straight. my first "real computer" was a shell into msu machine that was part of GlasNet project (glasnost! internet!) from an elektronika computer, so i kind of always assumed that real computers is not something you have at home. i always just wanted a "deck" from neuromancer.

04:05:48 mircea_popescu: what's definition of real computer ? no basic interpreter ?

04:06:34 asciilifeform: to the young me - it was a unix box. preferably, one too heavy to lift.

04:06:44 asciilifeform: but in no case anything pc-compat.

04:06:50 asciilifeform: ever.

04:07:25 mircea_popescu: i dun think i ever had a real computer./

04:08:30 phf: real computer is obviously a machine from "понедельник начинается в субботу" novel

04:08:34 asciilifeform: aldan!

04:08:37 asciilifeform: yes!

04:09:34 asciilifeform: the boxes of real life are but poor shadows of the mighty aldan.

04:10:41 mircea_popescu: but we still agree it's just a tool, rite ? like a glorified hoe ?

04:11:01 asciilifeform: more like cathedral organ, in this case.

04:11:10 mircea_popescu: that's not a tool.

04:11:16 asciilifeform: how not ?

04:11:22 mircea_popescu: it's an instrument.

04:11:28 mircea_popescu: they have fucking names and people sleep with them in bed.

04:11:40 asciilifeform: 'Фёдор же Симеонович Киврин забавлялся с машиною, как ребёнок с игрушкой. Он мог часами играть с нею в чёт-нечёт, обучил её японским шахматам, а чтобы было интереснее, вселил в машину чью-то бессмертную душу - впрочем, довольно жизнерадос

04:11:40 asciilifeform: тную и работящую.'

04:11:46 asciilifeform: (strugatski brothers.)

04:12:34 mircea_popescu: lol japanese shahmatam is what, g o?

04:12:44 asciilifeform: most likely shogi.

04:13:12 mircea_popescu: a

04:28:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38195 @ 0.00053984 = 20.6192 BTC [+] {2}

05:23:41 pete_dushenski: buonasera

05:24:01 pete_dushenski: ;;ticker

05:24:03 gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 381.41, Best ask: 381.55, Bid-ask spread: 0.14000, Last trade: 381.55, 24 hour volume: 86175.43226322, 24 hour low: 330.75, 24 hour high: 379.9, 24 hour vwap: None

05:24:33 pete_dushenski: this is almost starting to look like a breakout eh

05:25:46 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-11-2015#1313409 << hehehe not ~actually~

05:25:46 assbot: Logged on 01-11-2015 22:53:50; ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-11-2015#1313062 << waitasec he actually named the boy this ?

05:26:48 pete_dushenski: it's no different than calling your friend 'aces' because when you play poker he somehow always have pocket rockets. tis just a nickname.

05:28:36 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-11-2015#1313503 << np!

05:28:37 assbot: Logged on 02-11-2015 03:09:05; BingoBoingo: ty pete_dushenski

05:30:47 pete_dushenski: ;;later tell ben_vulpes heyo any measurements on the little v-man to report ? length, weight, etc. ?

05:30:48 gribble: The operation succeeded.

05:31:42 pete_dushenski: "My naïve Tesla "buy" call was predicated on the American green fetish at the time" << did you actually pick up some shares or just 'recommend' ?

05:33:33 pete_dushenski: "The worst thing that can happen to a man is for him to invest speculatively as a sideline and for it to work. He then runs the risk of considering himself a good investor." << hardly the worst thing that can happen to a man. depends entirely on what he does with his self-confidence as an investor

05:35:13 pete_dushenski: does he go to the casino and play lotteries because he thinks 'i can't lose!' or does he bury his fortunate treasure until something equally magnificent to whatever succeeded the first time around comes around again, IF it comes around again.

05:36:33 pete_dushenski: so i score a hole-in-one at the golf course and think myself a good golfer now, worst case scenario is i buy a few rounds of beer and boast for a few weeks/months, maybe biting off a bit more than i can chew in a few subsequent matches, but the afterglow will soon fade

05:37:14 pete_dushenski: it's self-correcting. the 'good investor' will come to see himself as having been fortunate THAT ONCE

05:37:37 pete_dushenski: unless, i grant, he's a raving narcissistic lunatic. in which case all bets are off anyways

05:38:39 pete_dushenski: I have only seen conspicuous consumers and Apple fanboys wearing the things. << i've seen exactly two young men wearing the apple watch. exactly two. "no one could've predicted!"

05:39:06 pete_dushenski: butbutbut 'wearable tech is teh future and stuff'

05:39:59 pete_dushenski: no, your replacing your laptop with a LEASED mini-ipad/phone is the future. and here we are.

05:40:06 pete_dushenski: feels like we never even left, doesn't it.

05:41:18 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-11-2015#1313561 << read virgil's eclogues if you haven't already.

05:41:18 assbot: Logged on 02-11-2015 03:41:07; mircea_popescu: i find the pastoral images soothing

05:42:08 pete_dushenski: i found it a bit dull but hey, to each his own.

05:42:15 pete_dushenski: though farm life does hold some appeal

05:43:27 pete_dushenski: unfortunately around here that's readily muddled with 'acreage life', which it basically ten x 12-acre plots per 'subdivision' where each family has a mid-sized house and a big field for storing their camping trailers/skidoos

06:02:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18800 @ 0.00054514 = 10.2486 BTC [+] {3}

06:20:50 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-11-2015#1313568 << 'my wife's not in labour, labour's in my wife'

06:20:50 assbot: Logged on 02-11-2015 03:48:22; ben_vulpes: i'm not interested in it, it's interested in me.

06:23:01 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-11-2015#1313617 << lulzy imagery to call kneepads, shinpads, elbow pads, shoulder pads, wrist guards, neck braces all 'helmets'

06:23:01 assbot: Logged on 02-11-2015 04:06:09; mircea_popescu: next thing you know wife gets too confident of her position and the kid's covered in helmets.

06:26:21 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-11-2015#1313759 << imo it's 50x ~less~ believable now that eth has ~anyone~ interested whatsoever. much less anyone with a few hundred btc to their credit.

06:26:21 assbot: Logged on 02-11-2015 06:55:59; mircea_popescu: supposedly there exist suckers buying into this. like supposedly there existed suckers buying into the original "sale". right-o.

06:27:01 pete_dushenski: unless other scam/altcoiners are dropping their other bags and grabbing for eth, lol

06:28:01 pete_dushenski: speaking of which... eth: Last Price 0.00287685 24hr Change -13.38%

06:28:12 pete_dushenski: g-g-g-g-g-gooooooold

06:29:58 pete_dushenski: hey 216 btc riding on that wager. decent.

06:33:29 pete_dushenski: and in the latest bitcoin bloodbath, even the mighty maidsafecoin is coming back down to earth. pretty much ipo level nao and nowhere to go but down.

06:35:06 BingoBoingo: Dis racis http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/11/02/death_rates_up_among_poor_middle_aged_whites_suicide_alcohol_drugs_factors.html

06:35:07 assbot: Death rates up among poor, middle-aged whites: Suicide, alcohol, drugs factors. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Piys2J )

06:37:16 pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2014/04/20/the-brokenness-of-maidsafe/ << really brings back the memories. *sniff*

06:37:18 assbot: The Brokenness of MaidSafe | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1RrkRW7 )

06:37:41 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo mebbe tlp became a statistic

06:42:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41250 @ 0.00053954 = 22.256 BTC [-] {4}

06:42:51 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-11-2015#1314023 << this is so totally a meme nao

06:42:51 assbot: Logged on 02-11-2015 17:32:44; ascii_field: the no-dick system

06:43:45 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski you mean one million or whatever bs volume it had this month

06:44:56 pete_dushenski: aha that

06:51:00 mircea_popescu: "A scripting language modifies a working system to do certain additional tasks or existing tasks differently and cannot exist without the working system. A programming language builds a working system from scratch." << cute.

06:51:10 mircea_popescu: i understand what the author would like to be true, but seriously...

06:51:22 mircea_popescu: parsed vs compiled is a thing. other than that...

06:54:28 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-11-2015#1314202 << only worms eat dirt, only everyone has a smartphone

06:54:28 assbot: Logged on 02-11-2015 20:53:47; trinque: "only" is perhaps not the best term to use to describe the majority

06:56:39 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

06:56:46 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 370.05, vol: 53833.04812030 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 344.887, vol: 30171.45306 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 372.45, vol: 99475.03302234 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 370.0, vol: 10.94258278 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 387.7146, vol: 87337.13630000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 367.0, vol: 284.82821041 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 358.4425, vol: 233.20731221 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)

06:56:47 BingoBoingo: ;;more

06:56:48 gribble: 373.804381771

06:58:01 mircea_popescu: such signal.

07:01:43 BingoBoingo: Many signal

07:12:19 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-11-2015#1314382 << nowai ! i dun struck oil !!

07:12:19 assbot: Logged on 03-11-2015 01:54:37; BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/11/000webhost-penetrated-13-million-plaintext-passwords-compromised/#comment-72691

07:12:31 BingoBoingo: seriously congrats pete_dushenski

07:12:59 pete_dushenski: ;)

07:13:06 BingoBoingo: May Pantagruel comfort you in your sleep with cries of praise and hunger

07:14:19 pete_dushenski: now there's a prayer for a wicked soul

07:14:57 pete_dushenski: speaking of wicked souls, goethe's faust is giving me the chills atm !

07:15:58 pete_dushenski: though i can probably chalk a fair bit of that to listening to the exquisitely performed audiobook recording while walking through the creepy, empty river valley in the early evening.

07:16:38 pete_dushenski: it's strange having sunset at 5pm.

07:17:50 pete_dushenski: the sun sets after 10pm in june here (53.5* north latitude)

07:18:28 BingoBoingo: I prefer it to what happens in the spring with the mornings

07:20:30 pete_dushenski: being...

07:22:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13816 @ 0.00054693 = 7.5564 BTC [+] {2}

07:22:23 BingoBoingo: dark an hour later suddenly

07:22:59 BingoBoingo: There is no need for an extra hour of sunlight in the summer evening, let the dark comfort and cloak our depravities

07:23:55 pete_dushenski: eh i'm fond of the late, long summer evenings.

07:24:13 pete_dushenski: you can golf until after 10:30 !

07:28:49 punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-11-2015#1314104 << I got the error popup but also the "save file" dialog, and it worked http://kb.mozillazine.org/Source_file_could_not_be_read

07:28:49 assbot: Logged on 02-11-2015 19:05:41; ascii_field: does anyone else find that http://www.loper-os.org/pub/mpi/mpi.tar.gz.sig will NOT download in any ver of firefox ?

07:28:51 assbot: Source file could not be read - MozillaZine Knowledge Base ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q300uA )

07:28:57 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: You can golf in the dark

07:29:16 BingoBoingo: Ads an element of challenge

07:33:37 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-11-2015#1314589 << that's *so* cool

07:33:37 assbot: Logged on 03-11-2015 03:53:46; asciilifeform: http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/gyQAAOSwlaxWNsi8/s-l1600.jpg << yes, that's cast iron.

07:33:52 deedbot-: [Qntra] Ransomware Ring Busted, "Decryptors" Rushed by Adware Vendors - http://qntra.net/2015/11/ransomware-ring-busted-decryptors-rushed-by-adware-vendors/

07:35:10 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-11-2015#1314616 << you don't name your desktops ? weird...

07:35:10 assbot: Logged on 03-11-2015 04:11:28; mircea_popescu: they have fucking names and people sleep with them in bed.

07:36:15 pete_dushenski: fuck, even my ibm model m has a name 'round the house : richard a.k.a. dick, for the persistant annoyance obv.

07:38:19 punkman: human names for inanimate objects always strike me as odd, also no computars allowed in the bedroom

07:38:22 pete_dushenski: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3299487/The-world-s-robot-actress-Talking-android-fitted-human-face-given-star-role-Japanese-nuclear-disaster-film.html << biz. are.

07:38:22 assbot: Robot 'actress' Geminoid F is given star role in Japanese film Sayonara | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1izJOCF )

07:39:14 pete_dushenski: punkman computars in every room ! and chickens in every stove !

07:39:34 pete_dushenski: and yea, naming's not for everyone.

07:40:47 *: pete_dushenski recalls famous top gear botswana special where hammond names his opel 'oliver', to much razzing from may and clarkson.

07:41:21 pete_dushenski: iirc it was an opel kadett

07:41:38 *: pete_dushenski checks... kadett it was

07:44:17 *: pete_dushenski to sleep

07:50:40 punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOzfq9Egxeo

07:50:41 assbot: The Station Night Club Fire (GRAPHIC) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1izL0Wu )

07:55:04 punkman: http://wpri.com/2015/10/31/us-nightclub-fire-victims-lament-deadly-romanian-blaze/

07:55:06 assbot: Station nightclub fire victims lament deadly Romanian blaze | WPRI 12 Eyewitness News ... ( http://bit.ly/1izLoo2 )

08:10:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52350 @ 0.00054731 = 28.6517 BTC [+] {2}

08:41:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57200 @ 0.00055736 = 31.881 BTC [+] {4}

08:47:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76000 @ 0.00054463 = 41.3919 BTC [-] {3}

10:12:53 punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-11-2015#1314443 << I think it can handle arbitrary bytestrings

10:12:53 assbot: Logged on 03-11-2015 02:37:49; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my original 'v' relied on python's 're' (regexp) widget, and will prolly fall down if looked at with evil eye

10:13:24 BingoBoingo: For some definitions of arbitrary it seems

10:16:51 punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-11-2015#1314463 << not uncommon, using object as a dictionary

10:16:51 assbot: Logged on 03-11-2015 02:49:23; ben_vulpes: punkman: https://github.com/pgbovine/CDE/blob/master/scripts/package_completer.py#L39

10:35:18 BingoBoingo: http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/jury-says-harris-stowe-discriminated-awards-dismissed-white-instructor-nearly/article_a72e6120-e535-597b-b5e8-dedaa64386bf.html

10:35:19 assbot: Jury says Harris-Stowe discriminated, awards dismissed white instructor nearly $5 million : News ... ( http://bit.ly/1k7kcyE )

10:47:35 jurov: https://twitter.com/ken_lunde/status/661351862155669506

10:48:21 jurov: ^ U+20BF BITCOIN SIGN will be included in unicode

10:48:44 adlai: who knew unicode committee insider buying could be so powerful

10:48:48 jurov: lol "It's uninspired and ungracious."

11:04:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46150 @ 0.00054148 = 24.9893 BTC [-] {3}

11:45:07 davout: maybe designing the bitcoin unicode symbol is a problem fit for hearn and gavin, would keep them busy at least

11:45:35 davout: debate whether more vertical bars are needed for increased adoption

11:47:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73600 @ 0.00054232 = 39.9148 BTC [+]

11:54:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 142400 @ 0.00054006 = 76.9045 BTC [-] {4}

11:58:02 jurov: no!! need horizontal bars for stabileety!!!1

12:04:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 164150 @ 0.00053756 = 88.2405 BTC [-] {6}

12:04:28 adlai: radiating bars, representing hubs and spokes, heavy nodes and litehead wallets

12:20:22 deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.06520684 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin to top $800 before Jan 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1219/bitcoin-to-top-800-before-jan-2016/#b5

12:46:02 punkman: http://www.kbtx.com/home/headlines/Man-Loses-Hand-During-Fight-Outside-Bryan-Nightclub--339487572.html

12:46:03 assbot: Man Loses Hand During Fight Outside Bryan Nightclub ... ( http://bit.ly/1P7xx6P )

13:33:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65500 @ 0.00053601 = 35.1087 BTC [-] {4}

13:43:48 punkman: https://instagram.com/p/oc4moYtDUF/ instagramslut "quits" social media

13:43:50 assbot: Social Media Is Not Real Life on Instagram: “Was paid $400 to post a dress. That's when I had maybe 150k followers, with half a million followers, I know of many online brands (with big budgets) that pay up to $2000 per post. Nothing is wrong with accepting brand deals. I just think it should be k ... ( http://bit.ly/1RNN4X7 )

14:10:09 jurov: in other news, https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-JDCSkko1XEA/VjiZ19x8Z9I/AAAAAAAAWxQ/ArK1W20Vhwc/w480-h265-no/tumblr_ngoksdqbxs1qaqx8xo1_500.gif

14:10:11 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1RNUYQf )

14:24:55 davout: jurov: lol

14:25:13 davout: i can do the same with my c0ck

14:28:58 asciilifeform: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/11/an-exit-strategy-for-traitors.html << orlol (guest article)

14:28:59 assbot: ClubOrlov: An Exit Strategy for Traitors ... ( http://bit.ly/1RO09zG )

14:30:17 asciilifeform: 'Everything about this development bears the hallmarks of a military/intelligence operation... Ask yourself, why would millions of men (the overwhelming majority are young men) suddenly and collectively decide to leave their families behind, leave their country, travel thousands of miles and head for either Germany, Austria or Sweden, ignoring all the other safe countries on the way? Who told them that this would be worth it?

14:30:17 asciilifeform: Where did they all get the money to pay for it? Why was there absolutely no effort at any border to stop them? Why did this not start earlier? ... look at the character of the average ?refugee.? Why are they all well-fed, well-clothed, self-confident young men showing no signs of stress or hardship? ... Why do they all own high-quality mobile phones charged with seemingly endless minutes? It is clear that the ?refugees

14:30:20 asciilifeform: ? have been briefed on exactly what kinds of social benefits they can demand, and how to go about doing it, and so they are audacious and become violent if met with resistance.'

14:30:38 asciilifeform: 'Germany's vice chancellor Sigmar Gabriel, who called an undefined but large part of the German populace who dare to oppose this insanity ?Pack? (vermin).'

14:31:02 asciilifeform: 'Vacant houses and apartments are confiscated by force and given over to the ?refugees? free of charge. Every ?refugee? given rental housing is paid for by the communities, as much as 500 Euros per person per month.'

14:33:02 asciilifeform: most lulzily,

14:33:04 asciilifeform: 'I have heard from several people connected to European security circles that the illegal weapons market is completely sold out, with many dealers holding on to their weapons for their own personal use. This is a rumour, but since we have been forced to depend on hearsay for any real information right now, I tend to believe it.'

14:35:18 asciilifeform: so usg has decided to prolong own life by feeding germany the kosovo pill.

14:38:14 asciilifeform: meanwhile finland hands out free moneyz to orcs, http://yle.fi/uutiset/kela_to_prepare_basic_income_proposal/8422295

14:38:14 assbot: Kela to prepare basic income proposal | Yle Uutiset | yle.fi ... ( http://bit.ly/1RO2ydr )

14:43:34 asciilifeform: ;;later tell punkman http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-11-2015#1314700 << didja verify the sig? the download often reports as successful but is in fact truncated

14:43:34 assbot: Logged on 03-11-2015 07:28:49; punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-11-2015#1314104 << I got the error popup but also the "save file" dialog, and it worked http://kb.mozillazine.org/Source_file_could_not_be_read

14:43:34 gribble: The operation succeeded.

14:43:57 asciilifeform: somehow people are missing the significance of this find

14:44:15 asciilifeform: at one point, the net mostly... worked.

14:44:31 asciilifeform: whereas today, it is divided into two segments, of unknown proportions, only one of which works as described...

14:45:09 asciilifeform: and if it is a browser issue, it appears to affect all civilized browsers of the graphical variety

14:45:45 asciilifeform: but why break your brain, only a terrorist!!1111!!11 would download a pgp sig!

14:46:00 asciilifeform: meanwhile,

14:46:11 asciilifeform: 'The court sentenced the defendant to custody of the Bureau of Prisons for a period of 78 months. This term consists of terms of 78 months on each of Counts One, Two, and Three, all counts to be served concurrently. Upon release from custody, the defendant shall be placed on a term of supervised release for a period of 3 years. This term consists of terms of 3 years on each of Counts One, Two, and Three, all such terms to run

14:46:11 asciilifeform: concurrently. The defendant is ordered to pay a special assessment in the amount of $300, which shall be due immediately. The defendant shall pay Restitution in the amount of $340,000. The court did not impose a fine.'

14:46:17 asciilifeform: (carl force)

14:46:50 asciilifeform: or hm, this was qntra'd already, nm.

14:47:06 adlai: ah, but ross has to serve his life sentenses in series

14:47:16 kakobrekla: concurrently ??

14:47:28 kakobrekla: he should have gotten more cores.

14:47:28 adlai: Corrections 2.0

14:47:42 asciilifeform: adlai: this was re: carl force. which i somehow slept through.

14:47:59 kakobrekla: "can i bring a few friends and we sit out the years in a month?"

14:48:21 adlai: asciilifeform: well i slept through the fact that his sentences sleep through eachother!

14:49:36 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-11-2015#1314722 << in the american version of this (the famous 'station fire') there was some fella who survived ~at the bottom of~ the human plug in the only exit - by being drenched in the piss from the bodies above him.

14:49:36 assbot: Logged on 03-11-2015 07:55:04; punkman: http://wpri.com/2015/10/31/us-nightclub-fire-victims-lament-deadly-romanian-blaze/

14:49:39 asciilifeform: leidenfrost effect.

14:50:09 asciilifeform: so the '$64k question', was there a 'piss man' in bucharest ?

14:52:17 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-11-2015#1314735 << usg wants a convenient three-byte marker for intel's hw rootkit to grep your ram for. any questions?

14:52:17 assbot: Logged on 03-11-2015 10:48:21; jurov: ^ U+20BF BITCOIN SIGN will be included in unicode

14:53:48 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-11-2015#1314662 << no handoutz for these 'untermenschen', move along.

14:53:48 assbot: Logged on 03-11-2015 06:35:06; BingoBoingo: Dis racis http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/11/02/death_rates_up_among_poor_middle_aged_whites_suicide_alcohol_drugs_factors.html

14:54:43 jurov: "BTC" or "XBT" is not convenient enough?

14:54:58 asciilifeform: ask them, not me...

14:55:26 adlai: too many false positives in --armor blocks

14:55:33 punkman: asciilifeform: it was really odd seeing all those people stuck in front door and others trying unsuccessfully to pull them out of the human pile

14:55:41 punkman: (in Station fire video)

14:55:48 asciilifeform: punkman: cattle men at their best

14:56:06 asciilifeform: i still can't fathom why anybody with half a brain would voluntarily set foot in such a place

14:56:24 punkman: also interesting how fast the thick black smoke started pouring out of every orifice

14:56:24 asciilifeform: it is one thing to sit in, e.g., crowded train or lift, gotta get to that point B from your point A

14:56:43 asciilifeform: quite another to voluntarily pack into a crematorium

14:58:34 punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-11-2015#1314768 << checked the downloaded file, looked intact

14:58:34 assbot: Logged on 03-11-2015 14:43:34; asciilifeform: ;;later tell punkman http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-11-2015#1314700 << didja verify the sig? the download often reports as successful but is in fact truncated

14:58:47 asciilifeform: punkman: what browser ?

14:58:56 punkman: Firefox

14:59:00 asciilifeform: ~which~ firefox

14:59:06 adlai: /usr/bin/firefox

14:59:12 asciilifeform: l0l

14:59:23 punkman: some newish version :P

15:00:42 asciilifeform: i would not be much surprised to discover that plaintext matching the description of a gpg sig is being silently massaged, at random, somewhere in the backbonez.

15:01:55 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-11-2015#1314643 << can't wait for the massive lease termination penalty for 'jailbreak' etc.

15:01:55 assbot: Logged on 03-11-2015 05:39:59; pete_dushenski: no, your replacing your laptop with a LEASED mini-ipad/phone is the future. and here we are.

15:02:10 asciilifeform: see also thread http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=27-10-2015#1308889

15:02:10 assbot: Logged on 27-10-2015 15:37:12; asciilifeform: another was 'you open the box and the gasenwagen comes ten minutes later.' this was at one point considered practical but the proliferation of cheap hardware retired it.

15:02:22 punkman: http://www.pcworld.com/article/3000637/security/winner-claimed-in-1-million-ios-9-hacking-contest.html

15:02:23 assbot: Winner claimed in $1 million iOS 9 hacking contest | PCWorld ... ( http://bit.ly/1PjqWVr )

15:02:56 asciilifeform: laundry.

15:03:10 asciilifeform: (transfer of usg moneys from one pot to another)

15:03:52 asciilifeform: no street plebe ever has or could win these 'contests.'

15:04:12 asciilifeform: (picture what would happen if you sent them a 'winning entry')

15:05:36 *: asciilifeform bbl.

15:10:28 *: adlai wonders why http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20151031/README_eaf469e31cfaeaaed889fc295c1221c096b3e1bb.txt sha1sums to c27844e8ed5e125fecffe727a777d17ea2930a12

15:10:29 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1PjrNFA )

15:20:09 thestringpuller: ;;ticker

15:20:10 gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 390.58, Best ask: 390.7, Bid-ask spread: 0.12000, Last trade: 390.61, 24 hour volume: 122790.98133868, 24 hour low: 337.6, 24 hour high: 398.0, 24 hour vwap: None

15:20:30 thestringpuller: volatility round two

16:01:57 adlai: jurov: how does one massage ml messages to hash correctly? eg, `curl http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20151101/attachment_14afbbebdbd4ba8de2d22b26f539cd468a3e71cd.txt|sha1sum` returns 550b8afdb75a1f8c682cb545eb2c8941e2584c29

16:02:44 adlai: discrepancy never noticed on attachments past the first attachment_deadbeef.txt, but noticed on every first one checked

16:03:41 *: adlai might also be on the wrong side of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=03-11-2015#1314773

16:03:41 assbot: Logged on 03-11-2015 14:44:31; asciilifeform: whereas today, it is divided into two segments, of unknown proportions, only one of which works as described...

16:12:30 deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 5.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin to top $400 before January 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1170/bitcoin-to-top-400-before-january-2016/#b40

16:12:30 deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin to top $400 before January 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1170/bitcoin-to-top-400-before-january-2016/#b41

16:22:09 phf: adlai: you might have an extra newline there

16:23:11 *: adlai tried adding/removing strategic newlines, as well as s/=/=3D/

16:23:37 *: adlai did not spend more than ~15 minutes guessing at these

16:24:07 phf: notmuch show --format=mbox thread:000000000000999c |awk '// { if(p) { print } } /-----BEGIN/ { if(!p) print; p=1;} /-----END/ { p=0 }'|xxd > a; curl http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20151101/attachment_14afbbebdbd4ba8de2d22b26f539cd468a3e71cd.txt > b; diff a b

16:24:08 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1LKLLqj )

16:24:37 phf: ^- shows that attachment_ has \x0a\x0a at the end, where's my awk based extract only adds one

16:25:55 phf: (that second curl is missing |xxd, but you get the general idea)

16:26:56 *: adlai only gets one trailing #xA from curl!?

16:28:38 phf: ...

16:28:50 jurov: adlai interesting

16:28:55 phf: welcome to modern computing

16:29:02 phf: 0000600: 2d0a 0a -..

16:29:11 phf: ^- is the tail end of that curl

16:30:46 adlai: ok, that one gives me the same. the ones that I checked (mod6's V, mpi-genesis) did not.

16:31:17 adlai: but none of them sha1sum to the filename

16:31:45 adlai: signatures are correct, so at some level this is masturbation

16:32:27 phf: well, you can just pipe them into xxd and then diff the result

16:33:06 *: adlai has exceeded his daily allotment of manual sha1 preimage mining

16:49:15 jurov: !t m x.eur

16:49:16 assbot: [MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.00351697 / 0.00351697 / 0.00351697 (40 shares, 0.14 BTC), 7D: 0.0035 / 0.00357296 / 0.00383564 (1482 shares, 5.30 BTC), 30D: 0.0035 / 0.00418695 / 0.00469539 (7480 shares, 31.32 BTC)

16:49:30 jurov: ;;calc 1/0.0035

16:49:30 gribble: 285.714285714

16:49:35 jurov: O.o

16:50:29 jurov: ;;ticker --currency eur --market bitcoin-central

16:50:30 gribble: Bitcoin-Central BTCEUR ticker | Best bid: 355.0, Best ask: 360.0, Bid-ask spread: 5.00000, Last trade: 355.0, 24 hour volume: 373.30829898, 24 hour low: 293.5, 24 hour high: 365.0, 24 hour vwap: 325.80944611

16:56:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23300 @ 0.00053495 = 12.4643 BTC [-] {5}

17:21:26 funkenstein_: mod6 ,thanks for the script :D

17:22:25 funkenstein_: also in "noob learning V ropes" news, patches for parousal: http://frass.woodcoin.org/dev/

17:22:26 assbot: Index of /dev ... ( http://bit.ly/1kpxFRS )

17:22:51 funkenstein_: *perusal

17:23:34 adlai: now that's a coin i haven't seen in a long time

17:24:05 *: adlai just a couple days ago discussed finite vs indefinite disinflation, mentioned woodcoin, eyebrows were raised

17:24:48 funkenstein_: :D

17:25:09 funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-11-2015#1314662 <-- reminded me of http://www.theonion.com/article/study-depression-hits-losers-hardest-924

17:25:09 assbot: Logged on 03-11-2015 06:35:06; BingoBoingo: Dis racis http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/11/02/death_rates_up_among_poor_middle_aged_whites_suicide_alcohol_drugs_factors.html

17:25:11 assbot: Study: Depression Hits Losers Hardest - The Onion - America's Finest News Source ... ( http://bit.ly/1RsNXnY )

17:25:47 adlai: phun phact, the onion is totally wrong on this. depression is worst when baseless.

17:26:38 funkenstein_: aha, good point.. more "clinical" then i suppose

17:29:08 funkenstein_: "spend your remaining years raising some woman's children by another man" <-- /me would consider this a compliment of highest order

17:29:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62800 @ 0.00053487 = 33.5898 BTC [-] {2}

17:37:49 trinque: funkenstein_: in which direction?

17:39:30 funkenstein_: trinque, meaning, if you want my behaviors implanted on future generations... you must have some respect for those who shaped mine, etc.

17:47:31 trinque: funkenstein_: perhaps. given though that having children is already likely -ev, bringing biological conflict into the balance would seem to make it more so.

17:48:05 trinque: furthermore you can't spend the compliment

17:49:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11063 @ 0.00053487 = 5.9173 BTC [-] {2}

17:53:42 deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'No' - The Hearn-Gavin scamcoin will fizzle in 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1191/the-hearn-gavin-scamcoin-will-fizzle-in-2016/#b26

17:54:14 funkenstein_: trinque, biological conflict?

17:57:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115900 @ 0.00053484 = 61.988 BTC [-] {5}

17:58:30 trinque: funkenstein_: you're aware that other primate (and other mammal) males will kill unrelated offspring of a new mate?

17:59:08 funkenstein_: and direct offspring, what of it?

17:59:58 funkenstein_: "unrelated" is a bit of a misnomer, wouldn't you agree?

18:00:02 trinque: not at all

18:00:16 trinque: you are going to expend more effort convincing some kid that saw you show up to obey than you will one that didn't

18:00:43 trinque: and beyond that, I would not be surprised at all if being aware of "degree of relatedness" is built-in

18:01:11 funkenstein_: well that's where the proverbial switch comes in then I suppose

18:02:17 funkenstein_: either you make them practice or you don't.. if your eyes are slightly different color that's really not important

18:04:46 trinque: seems you are discounting the in-group/out-group dynamics of social animals

18:05:20 trinque: nowhere did I say it was impossible to teach a stepchild, yet, may cost more

18:06:10 funkenstein_: could be, yah.. but still, "you should be a teacher" is not an insult

18:06:54 trinque: "go and be parasitised; you are only useful as fodder for others" << is

18:07:22 trinque: "only" being quite operative there

18:07:23 funkenstein_: true.. to me, being parasitised, as fodder for others, would more likely be - take my sperm, discard me

18:07:34 funkenstein_: teach offspring winblows

18:07:36 funkenstein_: :D

18:07:37 trinque: lol, you precious bodily fluids ?!

18:07:40 trinque: *your

18:31:41 punkman: ;;ticker

18:31:42 gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 418.09, Best ask: 418.25, Bid-ask spread: 0.16000, Last trade: 418.25, 24 hour volume: 155010.88900597, 24 hour low: 342.01, 24 hour high: 419.0, 24 hour vwap: None

18:34:05 PeterL: crazy price jump recently, how high will it go?

18:34:19 punkman: to the moon

18:34:54 PeterL: good news for bitbet, makes the price bets more interesting

18:37:52 mircea_popescu: !up Bugpowder

18:37:57 mircea_popescu: look who's there.

18:38:11 Bugpowder: Sup

18:38:41 Bugpowder: gotta ident

18:45:47 thestringpuller: Holy fuck!

18:46:11 thestringpuller: This day just got more interesting.

18:52:58 PeterL: what is interesting?

18:56:52 thestringpuller: Bugpowder has returned. A name I haven't seent in many years.

19:01:50 jurov: ;;seen bugpowder

19:01:51 gribble: bugpowder was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 23 minutes and 3 seconds ago: <Bugpowder> gotta ident

19:03:20 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-11-2015#1314711 << that's impractical, can't ONLY do live porn .

19:03:20 assbot: Logged on 03-11-2015 07:38:19; punkman: human names for inanimate objects always strike me as odd, also no computars allowed in the bedroom

19:04:33 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-11-2015#1314736 << they're just fishing for relevancy. who knows, if they do that maybe we don't kick unicode out of computing.

19:04:33 assbot: Logged on 03-11-2015 10:48:44; adlai: who knew unicode committee insider buying could be so powerful

19:05:16 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-11-2015#1314740 << the problem with the flat world is, inter alia, that nobody wants to do the tasks he's suited for. gotta aspire!

19:05:16 assbot: Logged on 03-11-2015 11:45:35; davout: debate whether more vertical bars are needed for increased adoption

19:06:04 mircea_popescu: gavin threw out a perfectly satisfactory career as mcdonalds manager to pretend like he's an intellectual, that scruffy kid could have been an excellet poolboy, but no, he has to pretend like political clout and whatnot.

19:06:12 mircea_popescu: life's hard for the postmodern inept.

19:06:35 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

19:06:52 *: ascii_field meanwhile cut another ~100kB of crud off mpi

19:07:00 ascii_field: it begins to approach....

19:07:02 ascii_field: printability.

19:07:10 mircea_popescu: the postfeudal jobb?gy had it better. yes, backbreaking labour and no ownership, but also the satisfaction of a day's work done each night.

19:07:17 mircea_popescu: o hey!

19:07:55 ascii_field: incidentally this thing is going in cardano in place of the unspeakably untested ragtag thing i had previously.

19:08:24 mircea_popescu: ev en better!

19:08:36 deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin to top $600 before Jan 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1216/bitcoin-to-top-600-before-jan-2016/#b34

19:09:46 *: ascii_field when reading code where each important algo quotes a knuth aop chapter and verse, the soul fucking sings

19:10:08 mircea_popescu: lol jurov. no boobs do that. ever.

19:10:09 ascii_field: ~who~ wrote mpi, i wonder

19:10:19 ascii_field: do we know ? (i certainly do not)

19:10:49 ascii_field: all i see in the commentz is 'tomb of the unknown free software soldier' sorta thing

19:11:50 ascii_field: why this kolhoz.

19:11:56 ascii_field: i never understood.

19:12:30 mircea_popescu: hey, me either.

19:15:26 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-11-2015#1314758 << can stop reading there. fucktard.

19:15:26 assbot: Logged on 03-11-2015 14:30:17; asciilifeform: 'Everything about this development bears the hallmarks of a military/intelligence operation... Ask yourself, why would millions of men (the overwhelming majority are young men) suddenly and collectively decide to leave their families behind, leave their country, travel thousands of miles and head for either Germany, Austria or Sweden, ignoring all the other safe countries on the way? Who told them tha

19:15:55 mircea_popescu: islamic society consists by 45-60% by mass of young (ie, just like in the west, under 35) men with no property and no prospects (just like in the west)

19:16:20 mircea_popescu: except there they're not being pacified with idle "prospects" and "software engineer" pretenses, they're just told outright : your sisters belong to the wealthy and get fucked.

19:16:28 mircea_popescu: so they're getting fucked. towards where there's free cunt.

19:16:34 ascii_field: waitasec how does this work

19:16:35 mircea_popescu: <and beer, but beer's a minor point.

19:16:38 mircea_popescu: justlikethat.

19:16:38 ascii_field: they fed the gurlz to dogs or what

19:16:42 ascii_field: where are they

19:16:55 mircea_popescu: i didn't know anyone THERE who didn't keep MORE WOMEN THAN ME

19:17:02 mircea_popescu: i don't know anyone here who keeps as many

19:17:04 mircea_popescu: do the math.

19:17:27 ascii_field: ah, 60% by mass, vs by volume, lol

19:17:53 mircea_popescu: lol

19:18:42 mircea_popescu: (ironically, this is also evident in the off-kilter births balance. they're breeding males at postwar replacement rates, for this reason.)

19:18:48 mircea_popescu: been going on for so long.

19:19:21 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: are you familiar with v. rezun's (aka v. suvorov, pseudonym) argument circa 1980 re: why ussr 'must perpetually expand communism' ?

19:19:34 ascii_field: he had this thesis, that it 'has to kill any alternative before it becomes a palatable thing

19:19:35 ascii_field: '

19:20:40 mircea_popescu: this argument is ancient.

19:20:42 ascii_field: i find it entirely plausible that usg would try to open the scuttling valve on what remains of industrial europe

19:20:50 ascii_field: in a very similar algo as the above

19:20:52 mircea_popescu: "the onlyt way we'll go past spreading-works is once all alternatives are exhausted"

19:20:56 ascii_field: aha

19:21:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46350 @ 0.00053596 = 24.8417 BTC [+] {2}

19:21:16 mircea_popescu: but anyway - the migration towards europe is a mix. females go out of africa, usually with a herd of children in tow. ie, from africa the cows move out.

19:21:29 mircea_popescu: in middle east etc, the cows are owned and stay, the grunts move out

19:21:39 mircea_popescu: they meet in istanbul these days, and invent faux "family units"

19:23:07 mircea_popescu: anyhway, the biases included are indicative of the source. "oh, must be secret service ops " = "we secretly believe secret service is the coolest thing in the world" = "we're here, not there, nor do we manifestly have a clue about anything, so therefore... we';re ss rejects"

19:23:11 mircea_popescu: mmyeah. exactly.

19:23:51 ascii_field: so what, god opened the borders and set up the specially-designated 24/7 trains full of berserking orcs ?

19:24:04 ascii_field: just happened, all by itself

19:24:06 ascii_field: ?

19:24:44 mircea_popescu: yes.

19:24:54 mircea_popescu: the herd moves, alf.

19:25:02 mircea_popescu: always counterclockwise.

19:25:11 ascii_field: why moves today and not last year ? and not next year ?

19:25:21 mircea_popescu: such are the questions that lead to insanity.

19:25:22 ascii_field: and why not met with flamethrowers ?

19:25:25 mircea_popescu: who sent god's whip ? god ?

19:25:32 mircea_popescu: why now and notearlier a minute, or later ?

19:25:40 mircea_popescu: because the flesh is weak.

19:25:47 mircea_popescu: why do you think rapists usually get the cock wet ?

19:25:56 mircea_popescu: "oh, i have mace" yeah, you do. so ?

19:26:10 mircea_popescu: anyway, bbl.

19:27:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40500 @ 0.00053484 = 21.661 BTC [-] {2}

19:35:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69900 @ 0.00053631 = 37.4881 BTC [+] {3}

19:40:57 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

19:41:03 ascii_field: https://i.imgur.com/2w0Kaqf.jpg << unrelated.

19:41:04 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q9o8eg )

19:42:21 punkman: ascii_field: I had a client that was automating payment of those. taxi/limo company.

19:52:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42150 @ 0.00053677 = 22.6249 BTC [+] {3}

19:53:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 204048 @ 0.00053983 = 110.1512 BTC [+] {5}

19:56:05 punkman: ;;ticker --market all

19:56:14 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 394.75, vol: 84845.64867873 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 367.0, vol: 44757.79797 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 392.9, vol: 176800.21379135 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 380.0, vol: 10.85867695 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 415.782486, vol: 116744.19000000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 396.79108, vol: 413.41721194 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 383.565, vol: 465.42021608 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)

19:57:54 punkman: http://media.boingboing.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/screenshot.jpg lol

19:57:55 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Sm3qae )

19:59:20 punkman: "don't forget to bring cash"

20:00:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75900 @ 0.00054216 = 41.1499 BTC [+] {3}

20:07:51 ascii_field: sahires == BugPowder ?

20:07:54 ascii_field: or just neighbours ?

20:08:30 asciilifeform: !up sahires

20:08:37 sahires: lol

20:08:41 sahires: stupid client

20:08:51 sahires: new computer

20:08:56 sahires: I’ve been outed

20:09:16 ascii_field: l0l

20:10:20 deedbot-: [Qntra] IBM Approves Third Party OS/2 Distro - http://qntra.net/2015/11/ibm-approves-third-party-os2-distro/

20:10:20 sahires: gotta bring the GPG key over from other computer

20:12:33 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

20:13:00 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-11-2015#1315011 << holy fuck, it's as if we didn't have ~enough~ 1990s shitware living on as undead

20:13:00 assbot: Logged on 03-11-2015 20:10:20; deedbot-: [Qntra] IBM Approves Third Party OS/2 Distro - http://qntra.net/2015/11/ibm-approves-third-party-os2-distro/

20:13:11 BingoBoingo: Seriously

20:13:22 jurov: ascii_field: how do you flamethrower million people?

20:14:10 ascii_field: jurov: you flamethrower 1,000 and the rest - if they have any sense - get the message.

20:15:12 jurov: you know, mmore than 1000 already drowned

20:15:20 jurov: not getting message somehow

20:15:30 ascii_field: drowned != publicly impaled on camera

20:17:05 ascii_field: jurov: do you seriously think that they were let in because there was not enough ammo to shoot every last orc ?

20:17:26 jurov: no not because of that reason

20:17:49 ascii_field: or that if a million russians wanted to move in and rape, pillage, there would be the same welcome ?

20:18:19 jurov: if russia was i ruins, yes

20:18:39 ascii_field: aha. controlled chaos.

20:19:04 jurov: merkel&co just thought bunsiness as usual, if they can have a million already there, they can accept 10 times more

20:19:08 ascii_field: the orcs are welcome because they spread chaos and destroy the competition of usg

20:19:11 jurov: no other reason

20:19:33 jurov: shoulda invade a china, too

20:19:39 jurov: ir that's not a competition?

20:19:46 ascii_field: china is not competition.

20:19:54 ascii_field: think about it

20:19:54 jurov: says who?

20:20:07 ascii_field: competition is places where 'brain drain' MOVES TO

20:20:25 ascii_field: su did not heavily police its border with cn, for this reason

20:20:32 jurov: yes, some do move there now

20:20:33 ascii_field: it's a run-from country, not a run-to.

20:20:41 ascii_field: very few.

20:20:44 ascii_field: because it's a shithole.

20:20:46 jurov: because orlov says so?

20:21:01 ascii_field: afaik he has not commented re: cn

20:23:20 ascii_field: but there is no shortage of public evidence of it being a shithole. in the spirit of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=06-07-2015#1190095

20:23:20 assbot: Logged on 06-07-2015 20:54:46; mircea_popescu: which is why no cows, no trees, everyone on tatamis

20:23:48 ascii_field: and no white man ever really, legitimately, enters the cn wot.

20:24:11 jurov: anyway, how do you imagine anyone in the EU would initiate impalements?

20:24:43 jurov: there isn't even capital punishment

20:25:14 ascii_field: no worries, the caliphate will rediscover the art of picturesque capital punishment in eu.

20:26:38 jurov: nono

20:27:54 jurov: i did not ask about hypothetical future caliphate

20:28:19 ascii_field: aha

20:28:24 ascii_field: but that's who will answer...

20:28:47 jurov: you proposed that as realistic preventive solution, so i'm curipus how do you imagine that?

20:29:36 ascii_field: can picture it 10 different ways

20:30:04 ascii_field: say, ever 'refugee' gets two weeks to make himself scarce and after that, gasenwagen

20:30:53 jurov: again, who will do it?

20:31:05 jurov: who will make them vanish?

20:31:15 ascii_field: army coup ?

20:31:31 jurov: pffffhhhaha

20:31:46 ascii_field: but yes, there is no coup. because, as we learn, the germans do not really want to live.

20:32:23 ascii_field: jurov: aren't you in germany now ?

20:35:08 jurov: no

20:35:48 *: ascii_field vaguely recalled something about jurov possibly moving there

20:35:51 jurov: it was postponed (for reasons unrelated to politics)

20:35:54 ascii_field: ah

20:36:15 ascii_field: i know a fella in meatspace who wanted to move to germany

20:36:17 ascii_field: but no moar.

20:36:30 ascii_field: which is what got me on this train of thought.

20:41:27 kakobrekla: !up Bugpowder

20:41:28 jurov: i suspect it will end up like wwii, it will be *very* different germany as before, but everyone will still envy it

20:41:44 kakobrekla: Bugpowder you should auth with assbot if you want a permavoice.

20:42:09 ascii_field: jurov: wwii did not involve a population replacement in de

20:42:23 jurov: indeed it did

20:42:29 kakobrekla: oh shit im deauthed too.

20:42:42 ascii_field: jurov: last i saw, it was still full of germans ?

20:43:22 jurov: these "germans" lived hundreds of years outside germany

20:43:40 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

20:43:40 jurov: !up ascii_field

20:45:33 jurov: it's documented many times in european history, that genes move in completely unrelated directions to culture and language

20:45:41 kakobrekla: !up Bugpowder

20:45:44 jurov: so if caliphate does not happen, then this

20:45:44 Bugpowder: tyty

21:15:22 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

21:35:22 deedbot-: [Qntra] Ohio Ballot Measure Seeks Creation of Protected Monopoly - http://qntra.net/2015/11/ohio-ballot-measure-seeks-creation-of-protected-monopoly/

21:49:42 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

21:53:19 deedbot-: [Qntra] Bull Farmer Killed in Shootout While Protecting Life - http://qntra.net/2015/11/bull-farmer-killed-in-shootout-while-protecting-life/

21:53:40 BingoBoingo: ^ Bull Lives Matter

22:12:52 deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Whither the Edmonton parking meter? Beneath the steel-toed boot of the bezzle. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/11/03/whither-the-edmonton-parking-meter-beneath-the-steel-toed-boot-of-the-bezzle/

22:15:38 lobbes: It is argued that Issue 2 (restricting monopolies) would also prohibit citizens from bringing issues to the ballot (via petition) that deal with any kind of tax reform

22:15:41 lobbes: http://www.ohioconstitution.org/2015/10/28/ohioans-beware-state-issue-2/

22:15:44 assbot: Ohioans Beware: State Issue 2 - 1851 Center for Constitutional Law ... ( http://bit.ly/1NpFFOv )

22:16:30 lobbes: and that it wouldn't really stop monopolies anyway, as the Ohio General Assembly would still be able to do such

22:16:58 lobbes: democracy!11! ftw

22:21:12 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

22:21:50 BingoBoingo: lobbes: Ohio is basically a shitpit. Take everything wrong with Chicago and spread it over the area of an entire state and you get Ohio.

22:22:21 BingoBoingo: Ohio, where the water in the rivers is as flamable as the diesel in the trucks.

22:23:20 lobbes: BingoBoingo: where, in America, is it not a shitpit?

22:23:29 lobbes: different flavors, perhaps

22:23:49 BingoBoingo: I dunno, but even compared to the rest of the place, Ohio is especially smelly.

22:26:10 lobbes: idk, there's Oklahomo, Michigan, but now I guess we're just ranking shit

22:26:46 lobbes: and yeah, there is a literal smell to some places in Ohio

22:27:07 BingoBoingo: Oklahomo is pretty bad, but less overtly toxic in a give you cancer sort of way than Ohio. Michigan still has the Upper Penninsula last I checked.

22:28:52 thestringpuller: Kansas City always smelled like poopoo to me

22:29:08 thestringpuller: I remember being driven to the airport one morning and my god

22:29:25 BingoBoingo: Yeah, Kansas City definitely also has a "sepia tone" everything there is brown

22:29:30 *: hanbot briefly lived in Ohio on a river lovingly referred to as the "old & tangy"

22:29:39 BingoBoingo: lol

22:30:59 thestringpuller: hanbot lived in Columbus?

22:31:19 hanbot: misfortunately

22:32:36 thestringpuller: not as bad as Canton

22:34:38 lobbes: Sandusky; esp stinky. But they got roller coasters that kill people, at least

22:36:09 hanbot: hmm, do they charge for tickets too?

22:36:42 BingoBoingo: St Louis isn't so bad. South City stinks in a few places. North County has some radioactive hotspots. Murder happens pretty much everywhere in the city on a long enough timeline.

22:38:02 lobbes: hanbot: I've heard around $30 a pop, though I've never been myself. My loathing of crowds may have kept me alive

22:42:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62108 @ 0.00053818 = 33.4253 BTC [-] {2}

22:43:02 thestringpuller: ;;ticker

22:43:04 gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 399.01, Best ask: 400.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.99000, Last trade: 400.0, 24 hour volume: 178828.86721472, 24 hour low: 360.99, 24 hour high: 423.88, 24 hour vwap: None

22:43:09 mircea_popescu: 400 huh

22:43:28 adlai: revisited from above, moreover

22:44:14 pete_dushenski: and 178k coins traded ? mkay.

22:45:17 thestringpuller: bitcoinica 3.0

22:45:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33200 @ 0.00053976 = 17.92 BTC [+] {3}

22:45:40 adlai: arrrise chicken!

22:45:50 adlai: btc has rallied, where's the s.mpoe pop?

22:46:03 pete_dushenski: not how it works

22:46:41 pete_dushenski: there are an infinite number of dollars to collapse into btc, finite number of btc to collapse into smpoe

22:47:00 adlai: where's mats's crystal ball when you need it

22:47:25 pete_dushenski: probably updating itself

22:47:38 kakobrekla: ;;8ball whats it gonna be

22:47:38 gribble: Come again?

22:47:44 kakobrekla: you heard me.

22:49:22 pete_dushenski: h8te ball

22:49:24 adlai: extending pete's floorless logic, s.mpoe has a soft ceiling at 21MCxBTC/1BS.MPOE = a cool two million satoshi per share.... there's a little headroom left.

22:49:40 adlai: now please disregard everything except "BS"

22:49:44 thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: also the mpoe bubble bot isn't on right

22:49:46 thestringpuller: now

22:52:35 mircea_popescu: ;;8ball tits or ass ?

22:52:36 gribble: No.

22:52:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51200 @ 0.00053691 = 27.4898 BTC [-] {4}

22:52:43 mircea_popescu: see, gotta know how to ask.

22:52:59 shinohai: ;;8ball coke or meth

22:52:59 gribble: Obviously.

22:53:23 adlai: ;;8ball will bitcoin remember the fifth of november?

22:53:23 gribble: _I_ don't know.

22:54:25 adlai: ;;8ball are markets sentient, or merely sadistic?

22:54:25 gribble: Come again?

22:54:29 mircea_popescu: anyone got any idea what "futurniture" is supposed to be, or who Matias Vangsnes is ?

22:55:08 adlai: assrests that will arrive in Two Weeks(tm)?

22:55:33 mircea_popescu: gah and we have an issue with mpex ;/

22:56:15 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

22:56:38 jurov: wish such an issue would be more often :D

22:58:04 adlai: what sort of issue?

22:58:20 *: jurov will not comment further

23:00:08 ben_vulpes: wb adlai

23:00:21 ascii_field: moar lisp plz

23:02:08 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-11-2015#1314635 << you misunderstand. my entire net worth is tied up in $bezzlecorp.

23:02:08 assbot: Logged on 03-11-2015 05:31:42; pete_dushenski: "My naïve Tesla "buy" call was predicated on the American green fetish at the time" << did you actually pick up some shares or just 'recommend' ?

23:02:47 ben_vulpes: perhaps at the end of this fiscal year i can spread the risk around a bit.

23:03:18 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-11-2015#1314633 << healthy, somewhere in the first standard deviation for most things.

23:03:18 assbot: Logged on 03-11-2015 05:30:47; pete_dushenski: ;;later tell ben_vulpes heyo any measurements on the little v-man to report ? length, weight, etc. ?

23:03:32 adlai: first from the bottom? top? middle?

23:03:48 ben_vulpes: around the mean.

23:04:03 adlai: "and may your first child be an average child"

23:04:20 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: l'chaim

23:04:31 ben_vulpes: ascii_field wished me mean reversion

23:04:45 jurov: fat tail

23:04:59 ben_vulpes: by the way, american medical professionals have this habit of throwing out uncontextualized numbers: "oh, thus and such should happen by the other date"

23:05:01 pete_dushenski: fat hammies

23:05:09 ben_vulpes: "so, if it doesn't happen by then be worried?"

23:05:14 mircea_popescu: "no"

23:05:17 ascii_field: l0l i wished him to ~be spared~ mean reversion

23:05:24 mircea_popescu: "well then fuck you ?" "how about just fuck my wife" "deal"

23:06:04 ben_vulpes: the only men i've seen in this saga are the surgeons and the family doc. dunno what that means.

23:06:30 ben_vulpes: ty, pete_dushenski

23:10:26 adlai: ;;isup mpex.ws

23:10:27 gribble: mpex.ws is down

23:10:58 mircea_popescu: !up Mineur099

23:14:05 *: BingoBoingo can't believe the Bull Farmer story isn't getting much traction yet.

23:14:15 BingoBoingo: because #BullLivesMatter

23:14:21 adlai: "you know, it's a bull market"

23:14:33 BingoBoingo: adlai gets the pun

23:14:48 shinohai: I forgot to add that hashtag to my tweet of your article earlier BingoBoingo, think I'll redo it.

23:14:57 BingoBoingo: cool

23:17:17 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-11-2015#1314764 << this, while factual, has A LOT more to do with the russian counter-embargo than with anything else.

23:17:17 assbot: Logged on 03-11-2015 14:33:04; asciilifeform: 'I have heard from several people connected to European security circles that the illegal weapons market is completely sold out, with many dealers holding on to their weapons for their own personal use. This is a rumour, but since we have been forced to depend on hearsay for any real information right now, I tend to believe it.'

23:17:55 shinohai: https://twitter.com/SatoshiShinohai/status/661683654138032128

23:18:06 shinohai: bbl

23:19:06 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-11-2015#1314786 << this is actually how it used to work. "gotta go to prison/jail/sleep with wife ? pay commoner to do it instead."

23:19:06 assbot: Logged on 03-11-2015 14:47:59; kakobrekla: "can i bring a few friends and we sit out the years in a month?"

23:19:39 kakobrekla: but it wasnt in parallel iirc?

23:20:54 mircea_popescu: well yeah, their computing wasn't advanced enouygh

23:27:38 pete_dushenski: http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-34448314

23:27:39 assbot: Why don't people see the yeti any more? - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1RtFKQB )

23:28:24 pete_dushenski: !up ascii_field

23:28:30 shinohai: mircea_popescu: in China I have heard this still occurs, you pay someone to serve your sentence for you.

23:29:04 kakobrekla: does it work for death sentence and do they take checks?

23:29:29 shinohai: http://www.businessinsider.com/wealthy-chinese-hire-body-doubles-2012-8 <<< Slate sourced, but eh.

23:29:30 assbot: In China It's Common For The Wealthy To Hire Body Doubles To Avoid Prison - Business Insider ... ( http://bit.ly/1RtFYXN )

23:30:47 mircea_popescu: maybe yteah

23:30:52 mircea_popescu: i guess not even the chinese can tell the chinese apart.

23:32:26 shinohai: How sad I just noticed that gay-as-fuck heart shit in twitter now.

23:33:50 mircea_popescu: re mpex : there was a trade engine fart earlier, it's down atm, and will stay down for the rest of the day. going through the whole stack of cards thoroughly and will have moar infos by tomorrow.

23:34:43 pete_dushenski: shinohai: spread the love. it's a revolution

23:36:14 shinohai: pete_dushenski: I spread bitterness and discontent, that's what the internet is for.

23:37:53 pete_dushenski: meanie

23:38:01 shinohai: :D

23:38:33 shinohai: You're on my happy list, what you complaining about!

23:39:21 pete_dushenski: is the opposite the sad list ? the angry list ?

23:41:41 shinohai: That's the list of things that have *actual relevance* in todays online world.

23:42:34 pete_dushenski: *gasp* how dare you insinuate that i don't have actual relevance !

23:43:06 pete_dushenski: i'd expect that from my mother, but my cult ? what has this world become ??

23:43:42 pete_dushenski: /dramatism

23:43:57 mircea_popescu: apparently pete_dushenski needs a mistress

23:44:01 mircea_popescu: not enough drama in his lyf

23:44:27 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=02-11-2015#1313616 eh

23:44:27 assbot: Logged on 02-11-2015 04:05:32; mircea_popescu: the mistress is a very important surogate for the functional (ie, 3-4 wives) arrangement.

23:44:56 mircea_popescu: also for drama.

23:45:39 shinohai: Someone has to stir the pot/

23:45:42 pete_dushenski: well i seem pretty decent at making my own drama thus far

23:45:57 pete_dushenski: perhaps this edge will dull, at which time...

23:47:32 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-11-2015#1314798 << i wonder why the republic favour ascii armored over "binary"

23:47:32 assbot: Logged on 03-11-2015 14:55:26; adlai: too many false positives in --armor blocks

23:49:22 BingoBoingo: armored is eye readable before/after verification

23:53:33 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-11-2015#1314802 <<->> http://fraudsters.com/2014/how-i-was-wrong-cuckolding-or-a-story-about-sigmas/#selection-711.0-711.64

23:53:33 assbot: Logged on 03-11-2015 14:56:06; asciilifeform: i still can't fathom why anybody with half a brain would voluntarily set foot in such a place

23:53:33 assbot: How I was wrong : Cuckolding, or a story about sigmas on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qa47Ed )