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Transcript for 03-12-2014, 1439 lines:

00:00:08 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so basically you're running your own metal which you don't want to colo because you figure it's actually cheaper in your own house sort of thing ?

00:00:36 asciilifeform: leaving for a moment aside my own piles of junk metal - folks embroiled in scientific computing are inevitably doomed to use modern hardware. they cannot, economically, freeze in time and live in 2008 (or whenever) for eternity.

00:01:06 nubbins`: dem recent advances, dem increasing hardware requirements, etc

00:01:08 mircea_popescu: i somehow doubt they actually use poettering stuff either, but what do i know

00:01:13 asciilifeform: same goes for any other similarly perverse application where 'horsepower' is money.

00:01:13 mircea_popescu: iirc there's a naggum on this topic.

00:01:23 nubbins`: try modelling HIV spread on a 486

00:01:30 mircea_popescu: nubbins` what's to keep you ?

00:01:44 nubbins`: my expected lifespan

00:01:52 mircea_popescu: dude srsly. where the fuck is that link.

00:01:58 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3233532779857997@naggum.net.html

00:01:59 assbot: Re: Upper limits of CL - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1vjzLFu )

00:02:05 mircea_popescu: there we go.

00:02:15 mircea_popescu: so... if what you do is a good idea, this sort of problem can't possibly exists.

00:02:24 mircea_popescu: if the problem exists it's a prime indicator you're wasting your life.

00:02:35 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: except the world broke since naggum wrote this. not even the oil prospectors write custom os now.

00:02:40 mircea_popescu: this, as a purely deductive matter.

00:02:55 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform depends which. the oil prospectors that make money do.

00:02:59 mircea_popescu: the BPs of this world do not.

00:03:04 BingoBoingo: http://linux.web.cern.ch/linux/centos7/ << Seems some did go for poettering

00:03:05 assbot: Linux @ CERN: /linux/centos7/index.shtml ... ( http://bit.ly/1vjzZN7 )

00:03:11 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm more or less wasting life just by having the misfortune to be parked on planet 3 in 2014. this is quite clear.

00:03:44 nubbins`: planet 2's too sultry

00:03:57 undata: asciilifeform: oh I don't know, the others don't look particularly hospitable

00:03:59 mircea_popescu: anyway, the issue should be addressed irrespective of how obnoxious X kiddo is.

00:04:03 mircea_popescu: in fact, it has nothing to do with no kiddo.

00:04:40 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i was trying to disagree, logically, with 'we can simply preserve in amber hardware from golden age and use that for everything'

00:04:49 mircea_popescu: i don't see you got too far.

00:05:07 mircea_popescu: every step of the way of technology is sound and can be rested upon.

00:05:12 mircea_popescu: that's the only important thing about technology.

00:05:22 mircea_popescu: you don't HAVE TO update anything, and if it sucks you don't update.

00:05:26 mircea_popescu: full stop.

00:06:28 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if it sucks you don't update << and lose the contract to the fellow who isn't trying to fold protein on 486.

00:06:32 mircea_popescu: seems 1905 steel girder bridges still work just fine, and yes you can do anything you want done on 486s. heck, it's always been cheaper to buy last year's tech and buy a lot of it and network it than it is to buy the monolithic "custom made" tool.

00:06:47 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if it sucks, he'll do worse than you.

00:06:52 mircea_popescu: this is the definition of "it sucks".

00:07:04 mircea_popescu: if he doesn't do worse than you, that's a prime signal that you're insane.

00:07:14 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's always been cheaper to buy last year's tech and buy a lot of it and network it << to some extent, the problem i spoke of is a 'two strong oxen' problem. need shared memory.

00:07:54 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i am at this very moment running a 64 GB amd-a8 quad.

00:08:06 mircea_popescu: that's a what, 2008 processor ?

00:08:12 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if it sucks, he'll do worse than you << find naggum's piece on how 'market can only tackle one dimension of multidimensional analysis.' yes, other fellow will fold the protein faster, while running poetteringisms.

00:08:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10459 @ 0.00036952 = 3.8648 BTC [+]

00:09:32 mircea_popescu: i dun see it.

00:09:42 mircea_popescu: i mean it's a fine theory an' all, but i don't see it.

00:09:49 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 2008 processor << can get ~2x the clock now. i fully grasp that for your application - there is no reason whatsoever to do this.

00:10:17 mircea_popescu: but can you grasp that 2 x1 = 1 x2 ?

00:10:45 mircea_popescu: so you get twice the clock, and i get two of them. sure, there are SOME problems that are provably unsplittable.

00:10:50 mircea_popescu: there's about five of them.,

00:11:32 BingoBoingo: If I sound grumpy, it is only because I have come across too many idiots of the "it can't be done" persuasion lately, the kind of managers who have an aquarium in their office because fifteen brains think better than one.

00:11:37 BingoBoingo: ^ Naggum

00:14:23 mircea_popescu: fuck, for that matter, this thing is universal. so the us only makes "high performance" bullshit antibiotics of doom these days ?

00:14:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 47 @ 0.07762629 = 3.6484 BTC [+] {16}

00:14:40 mircea_popescu: wake me up sometime when i care. i've been using sulfmetoxazole forever, and i intend to continue.

00:14:52 mircea_popescu: half a cent a pill, indian factories dedicated to its preservation in amber.

00:15:26 mircea_popescu: this idea that "we'll gavin all over the blockchain technology and everyone will follow" is out of a holywood movie. not how reality works.

00:15:52 mircea_popescu: people didn't use to upgrade worth a shit not even a decade ago, when all the incentives were alligned for them to.

00:16:16 mircea_popescu: but that ended a few years back, and "upgrade" is headed right into the "please install our browser toolbar extension" and "act now!" bin.

00:17:56 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> people didn't use to upgrade worth a shit not even a decade ago, when all the incentives were alligned for them to. << What happened was Microsoft's "Let's mimic the Auto Industries idea of the Model Year" won even if MS could not execute on it

00:17:59 mircea_popescu: they came up with "smart phones" ? fuck them, i never upgraded, i still use actual phones. samsung is jumping over backwards to supply the market. they cost nothing. etc.

00:18:31 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo pretty much yeah. and then Dull Gates dragged the entire "industry" of nitwits along with him.

00:18:39 mats_cd03: but a smart phone makes me smart. :(

00:18:40 mircea_popescu: "prevailing business practices" derpage.

00:18:48 mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 im too smart, see ? level cap already.

00:18:54 mats_cd03: lucky.

00:19:11 BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats

00:19:14 gribble: Current Blocks: 332643 | Current Difficulty: 4.000747027127126E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 334655 | Next Difficulty In: 2012 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 7 hours, 47 minutes, and 17 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 56315518647.2 | Estimated Percent Change: 40.76251

00:19:23 mircea_popescu: aand it dropped ?

00:19:51 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: people didn't use to upgrade worth a shit << number crunching - existed. even if you're not involved with it, realize that it was original purpose of computer. it matters.

00:20:09 mircea_popescu: i have no argument with that.

00:20:25 mircea_popescu: but i recall that even before the first cray, kiler micros did better than the mainframe.

00:20:40 mircea_popescu: this hasn't somehow magicked away just because whoever likes to sell to the gubmint

00:20:49 mircea_popescu: and nobody seriously reviews fraud that involves public funds.

00:21:23 BingoBoingo: Was last difficulty 40,300,030,328 if so then dropped

00:21:29 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: kiler micros did better than the mainframe <<< noooo.... not for shared-memory problems! not then, not now. please, understand the basic issue.

00:22:08 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what did happen was - the 'strong oxen' died. simply died. and this made micros look good, because alive looks better than dead.

00:22:23 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, i know what you're saying, but i think it's much rarer than you make it look, a problem that doesn't take well to chickens.

00:22:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 996 @ 0.00115186 = 1.1473 BTC [-] {4}

00:22:50 mircea_popescu: not that i'm against oxen or anything. but seriously, trying to sell me on braindamaged chickens with three beaks as a sort of unavoidable oxen ?

00:22:56 mircea_popescu: come on, anything turkeys can do chickens can do.

00:23:46 mircea_popescu: if your problem can be approached with 2014 "state of the art" killer micro, it can also be approached with killer micro that was state of the art in 2009. that's the whole argument.

00:24:00 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: just explaining that, e.g., 2x ram bandwidth - closer to 'oxen' than otherwise.

00:24:01 mircea_popescu: somehow having this magical problem that fits just right in this otherwise narrow space seems very improbable.

00:24:16 mircea_popescu: but, sure, every broom shoots once. if a broom shot you once, you have my deepest simpathies.

00:24:26 mircea_popescu: "closer" is not of this film.

00:24:33 cazalla: jurov: what's with the submissions to qntra containing lengthy documents verbatim? <<< anything contained in a <blockquote> as those length documents are, do not count towards word count

00:24:39 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it isn't a broom to me, but the 'rifle' i carry every day.

00:24:40 mircea_popescu: what, and 31 bit registers are closer to functional than 28 bit registers ?

00:25:05 mircea_popescu: just cut it to 16 bit and use two.

00:25:59 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: multiplier.

00:26:33 mircea_popescu: but 31 bit doesn't work anyway. it's either 32 or 16. that's it. you don't get "closer"

00:26:57 mircea_popescu: some things are discrete, an' being an ox is one of them things by definition.

00:27:02 cazalla: adlai: nubbins`: yes, but it could ignore text within blockquote tags <<< this is correct, it does ignore them and this is actually one of the first things discussed when qntra was launched

00:27:21 mircea_popescu: which is why "two oxen" is actually misleading. either it's one ox, or else it's an infinity of chickens. no twos here.

00:27:23 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: anyway, bad analogy. i'm speaking of actual problems where higher clock on system bus equals more cash.

00:27:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12300 @ 0.00036952 = 4.5451 BTC [+]

00:27:53 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if it does, i can't see why you wouldn't have your own, terrahertz bus.

00:27:55 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and memory access is the bottleneck.

00:28:37 mircea_popescu: kept you know, under liquid methane or some shit

00:28:52 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if it does, i can't see why you wouldn't have your own, terrahertz bus << because ice cream truck does not bring in the income to convert it to galactic ice cream empire.

00:29:07 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but ice cream monger wants to live too.

00:29:10 mircea_popescu: so yeah, you're stuck in a paraeconomic crevice over there.

00:29:27 mircea_popescu: whereas the point i was making was kinda you know, in general.

00:29:56 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but forget about ice cream men. ask your intelligence men if, say, LukOil produces own terahertz silicon. is there any question what the answer is?

00:30:10 mircea_popescu: wait, no lizard lukoil ?

00:30:17 mircea_popescu: only nsa can has ?

00:30:33 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: science died.

00:30:43 mircea_popescu: wait, only lukoil science died ? nsa is fine ?

00:31:08 cazalla: mike_c: qntra authors: coinbase is an exchange now. http://blog.coinbase.com/post/104112477642/usd-wallets-on-coinbase <<< usd is more an altcoin eh, not really news worthy imo

00:31:10 assbot: The Coinbase Blog — USD Wallets on Coinbase ... ( http://bit.ly/1vjFU4A )

00:31:16 mircea_popescu: lmao

00:31:18 mircea_popescu: go cazalla

00:32:39 mircea_popescu: btw, asciilifeform speaking of the fast memory thing, did resistive ram go anywhere ?

00:32:45 mircea_popescu: i recall a bruhaha a few years ago

00:33:11 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: mram ?

00:33:27 mircea_popescu: wasn't it reram or something ?

00:33:32 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: can buy it now. (see, e.g, 'digikey corp.') patent lockup, monopoly, ruinous cost.

00:34:11 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: speaking of magnetoresistive ram (behaves like eeprom, but no ion migration wear and virtually no write latency)

00:34:31 mircea_popescu: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/05/120518132549.htm <<< this thing

00:34:32 assbot: New silicon memory chip may offer super-fast memory -- ScienceDaily ... ( http://bit.ly/1yeFTfB )

00:36:19 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ah, this - no. but realize, all of these nice things (rebirth of ferrite core, nonvolatile ram) is wasted on unix.

00:36:36 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: science died. << "and yet we can't conserve tech in amber".

00:36:44 mircea_popescu: why wasted ?

00:37:00 mircea_popescu: im sure you can have glibc ported over :D

00:37:16 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: because the whole disk-ram dichotomy is predicated on volatile ram.

00:37:40 mircea_popescu: it's not like there;s an actual dichotomy. you can have a ramdisk or a diskram for all it cares.

00:38:37 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the whole notion of files. file systems. memory allocation as a separate thing from disk operations.

00:38:38 ben_vulpes: jurov: http://f9beb4d9.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html << "signed by" col looks a little wacky

00:38:40 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1vjHzqU )

00:39:06 mircea_popescu: that's clunk, sure, but it wouldn't ever know

00:40:14 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: see also: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=231

00:40:15 assbot: Loper OS » Third Law of Sane Personal Computing ... ( http://bit.ly/1vjHTGb )

00:41:04 mats_cd03: based on my observation of news on this front, 'memristors' seems likely its rapidly becoming feasible and affordable

00:41:23 mats_cd03: not that i know anything at all about how this stuff really works.

00:41:32 mircea_popescu: i thought so too, kinda wy i asked. he seems in the prime market to care about em

00:41:53 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sure, no argument there.

00:41:59 asciilifeform: mats_cd03: not even worth thinking about until chicoms shit on the patents and sell them near cost.

00:42:11 mircea_popescu: lol stan doesn't want to dream

00:42:57 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not only dreamed, but simulated using bizarre terrorist contraption of fpga+dram+flash.

00:43:31 mircea_popescu: o.O

00:43:39 mircea_popescu: all this is wheting my appetite for b-a computers

00:43:47 mircea_popescu: which can't happen because hey! where is my nsa letter ?

00:44:18 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: at home, half written. i'm still at [censored], fighting with crapware.

00:44:41 adlai: oh you're talking about that other nsa

00:44:59 asciilifeform: adlai: the Real! nsa

00:45:16 kakobrekla: nsa check, bitcoin foundation check, ... whats next, usg?

00:45:22 hanbot: haha

00:46:17 adlai: after reading a bit more about the scamosphere, in my mind, "usg" now gets pronounced "usagi"

00:46:33 adlai: which raises the question of how "usagi" is pronounced

00:46:51 asciilifeform: adlai: pronounce as approx. 'you shaggy'

00:47:19 adlai: usagi-san?

00:47:29 adlai: ohhhhhh

00:56:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47350 @ 0.00037104 = 17.5687 BTC [+] {2}

00:57:21 mats_cd03: it breathes

01:00:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 134 @ 0.00851058 = 1.1404 BTC [-] {5}

01:08:46 punkman: "We never thought a video would be watched in numbers greater than a 32-bit integer (=2,147,483,647 views), but that was before we met PSY. "Gangnam Style" has been viewed so many times we have to upgrade!"

01:17:21 thestringpuller: i'm getting solicited to go to a CIA job fair...

01:17:24 thestringpuller: ~_~

01:19:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18241 @ 0.00037128 = 6.7725 BTC [+]

01:20:21 thestringpuller: "The CIA's strength and effectiveness as an agency depends upon its ability to employ a workforce as diverse as the nation it serves."

01:20:49 BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Might as well go. They'll prolly station you in Russia.

01:22:43 thestringpuller: "Your first assignment is to become friends with this man *displays picture of Snowden*"

01:41:20 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo russia, idaho ?

01:41:40 mircea_popescu: i like these "as an X" aspirationals.

01:41:48 mircea_popescu: how about the cia's strength and effectiveness as a potato ?

01:41:51 mats_cd03: nah, your first assignment will be to befriend mp.

01:42:54 mircea_popescu: I HAVE NO FRIENDS!!1

01:42:58 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Either one. Given the CIA's history of applying diverse hires I would expect thestringpuller to be assigned to somewhere lilly white or otherwise homogenous. Probably in a deep cover role

01:43:24 mircea_popescu: wait, thestringpuller is not like us ?

01:43:37 *: mircea_popescu reaches for his grand wizard hat

01:43:42 BingoBoingo: thestringpuller is blessed in melanin

01:44:10 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller you totally have to read more qntra. help fix the quantcast demos.

01:45:06 mircea_popescu: so now since the b-a notary system is down, i can't check on wtf taxes mpoe has to pay

01:45:09 mircea_popescu: THIS IS BULLSHIT

01:45:25 mircea_popescu: we're back to the fucking state crap and we've not even revolutionized yet!

01:46:08 mircea_popescu: http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2jcfin/analyzing_the_bitcoin_foundations_2013_tax_return/

01:46:10 assbot: Analyzing the Bitcoin Foundation's 2013 tax return : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1FL0FYf )

01:46:13 mircea_popescu: quite on point, incidentally.

01:46:18 mircea_popescu: Page 8 shows the salaries the foundation pays.

01:46:18 mircea_popescu: Gavin Andresen, "chief scientist", received $209k of "reportable compensation" + $2,884 of "other compensation", for more than $212k. Apparently the foundation thinks it's better to pay one guy $212k for writing blog posts and giving talks and interviews than paying three guys $70k each to work on the software the whole pyramid scheme currency depends on.

01:46:18 mircea_popescu: Patrick Murck, general counsel, received $57k + $6k.

01:46:18 mircea_popescu: Lindsay Holland, assistant director, received $160k + $2,512. I have no idea what she's doing, other than writing press releases, uploading conference videos to YouTube and giving interviews about how she's paid in Bitcoin.

01:47:35 mircea_popescu: "tl;dr: The Bitcoin Foundation exists so a few people can pay themselves generous salaries and play important. Also, they seem to depend on the Bitcoin price rising seeing they lose money on revenue vs. expenses."

01:49:39 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: phoundation - can buy golden toilets. foundation - cannot buy me lunch (even if wanted to!) lol.

01:49:59 mircea_popescu: well, actually, it currently has enough for a few lunches,

01:50:04 mircea_popescu: but not a path to travel.

01:52:14 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: path to travel is that i finish me gadget then proceed to fix bitcoind. but in this order.

01:52:26 mircea_popescu: aye.

01:52:35 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for some reason nobody else wants to. or can. or some combination of these. i can't say.

01:52:51 mircea_popescu: what are you talking about, tons of people working on it from what iv'e seen ?

01:53:10 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: working on the chipped paint on the bumper.

01:53:32 mircea_popescu: eh let ppls do their thing.

01:53:51 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lol, i'd love for this to get done without any participation at all of mine.

01:54:39 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: am hoping that the mythical other fella who knows cpp, can crank gdb, etc. shows up.

01:56:20 BingoBoingo: I'm pretty sure the state of the world is that the one non-mythical person who knows cpp is asciilifeform and he loathes it.

01:56:43 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: nah that was poor naggum.

01:57:04 BingoBoingo: Naggum now lives in the realm of the mythical

01:57:10 BingoBoingo: !up pi07r

01:59:50 *: adlai still wonders whether polish is better applied to turds than, say, shoes, or nails

02:00:11 undata: adlai: use it as fertilizer, grow something more palatable

02:00:45 adlai: what grows from turdilizer is not a turd, though

02:01:15 BingoBoingo: My nostrils can testify that this as of this fall turds were still a more popular fertilizer in my area for corn and soybeans than anything other.

02:02:33 adlai: http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?PlanToThrowOneAway

02:02:34 assbot: Plan To Throw One Away ... ( http://bit.ly/1FL2S5K )

02:03:11 asciilifeform: i can't look at the phoundation figures without spitting with rage.

02:03:20 asciilifeform: it could buy planets.

02:03:29 adlai: are you being forced to look at them?

02:03:37 asciilifeform: adlai: devils tempt me.

02:05:02 *: adlai wonders whence the Second Foundation

02:06:27 asciilifeform: adlai: know that my own project with mircea, s.nsa, lives in a presently-unheated shed. i shall be installing a propane heater this week.

02:06:49 asciilifeform: adlai: phoundation motherfuckers are crapping into golden toilets as we speak.

02:07:34 mircea_popescu: kinda why we're here, neh ?

02:07:46 mircea_popescu: so their children know not of such bezzle.

02:08:06 adlai: that's not really news to me, beyond the details about the heater (congratulations, I guess?)

02:08:30 asciilifeform: i've been prefixing would-bes in conversation with 'after the war...' for some years.

02:08:50 adlai: although think of it this way - if you shat in gold toilets, you'd start dreaming about building Gold Woman

02:08:55 asciilifeform: however i can't promise that i'll be there, in that after, the war.

02:09:06 BingoBoingo: We know not when the war ends, but they enemy knows even less so!

02:09:24 adlai: only the dead have seen the end of war

02:10:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39150 @ 0.00037205 = 14.5658 BTC [+] {2}

02:14:57 BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2014/12/australia-the-tax-institute-calls-for-voluntary-bitcoin-registry-treating-bitcoin-as-currency/

02:14:57 assbot: Australia: The Tax Institute Calls for 'Voluntary' Bitcoin Registry, Treating Bitcoin as Currency | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1FL4pch )

02:16:57 undata: oz competing with the US for "worst former british colony"?

02:17:01 BingoBoingo: STFU GPO!!!! https://www.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/house-bill/5777/text

02:17:03 assbot: Text - H.R.5777 - 113th Congress (2013-2014): To protect cryptocurrencies. | Congress.gov | Library of Congress ... ( http://bit.ly/1CDo1CQ )

02:19:39 undata: BingoBoingo: the "protect" has me nervous, but that was the guy accepting bitcoin donations

02:20:34 BingoBoingo: Hard to say really what people mean.

02:21:19 undata: “Many [doctors] are dropping out of the profession because it’s overregulated. Now, what may happen to the bitcoin community is that, if there’s so much regulation, there’ll be a lot of people who say, 'You know what, I’m done with this. I’m not gonna do it,' and it’s going to crush the industry.”

02:21:26 undata: http://www.coindesk.com/steve-stockman-new-york-bitcoin-regulation-could-crush-the-industry/

02:21:27 assbot: Steve Stockman: New York's Bitcoin Regulation Could Crush the Industry ... ( http://bit.ly/1CDoQvm )

02:22:04 BingoBoingo: undata: Very related http://www.gomerblog.com/2014/10/nursing-degrees/

02:22:05 assbot: Doctors Getting Nursing Degrees to Stay Competitive | GomerBlog ... ( http://bit.ly/1CDoRzv )

02:22:55 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: the one of 30 black people of qntra is me

02:23:12 BingoBoingo: ?Excuse me?? at that moment when the new nurse looked up from changing a bed pan, ?Doctor Fritz!? Shannon yelled in amazement. ?No it?s Nurse Charlie tonight,? he responded before she could question any further.

02:23:57 BingoBoingo: At times it has been a little confusing and difficult to keep the two separate. ?On rounds the next morning I?ll ask my residents what the patient?s Is & Os were. They will tell me the nurse didn?t chart them appropriately. So I?ll wander over to the charge nurse and say who was taking care of Ms. Johnson last night ?and of course it was me??

02:24:51 mircea_popescu: undata yeah, bitcoin totally depends on the sorts of derps that care what some government says.

02:25:04 mircea_popescu: their absence "would crush the industry", except they never mattered in any sense.

02:25:14 mircea_popescu: i guess bitcointalk would get fewer posts.

02:27:30 BingoBoingo: Oh, Thermos got a subpenis https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=881488.msg9714624;boardseen#new

02:27:31 assbot: DPR subpoena ... ( http://bit.ly/1FL5Rvf )

02:33:42 mircea_popescu: it's good he didn't spend all those donations on "forum software" then

02:34:29 mircea_popescu: "Hello, sorry if there is another thread for this kind of post, but I couldn't find one. I'm looking for the best and brightest IT pro in the bitcoin community to be the lead developer in a venture backed bitcoin startup company. The ideal candidate would have at least several years of web application development experience, having built applications from the ground up. A solid understanding of oop and software arch

02:34:29 mircea_popescu: itecture is a must. Experience in a start-up environment is a plus, or just being super hard working, self-motivated, and creative.

02:34:29 mircea_popescu: Compensation can be in the form of equity or a salary, or somewhere in-between."

02:34:32 mircea_popescu: ahh the beauty of 2011

02:34:46 BingoBoingo: I just wonder how the fuck is this his first contact with the law when the fucking FBI and Treasury Department drove down from Peoria to meet me?

02:35:08 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=6760.msg159173#msg159173 << also pretty good. "The top is immanent. "

02:35:09 assbot: call an end to the rally ... ( http://bit.ly/1FL6GnE )

02:35:16 mircea_popescu: yeah, i'd say the top is immanent.

02:35:29 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo could vbe he's lying.

02:36:37 BingoBoingo: Maybe this is the first formal subpoena, but... The shit that happens on the forum and his only reporting a DPR subpoena nao???

02:38:54 BingoBoingo: Not... When the US attourney was doing discovery, but NAO HE REVEALS SUBPOENA???

02:40:35 BingoBoingo: In other forum history, the Original supershill https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=15307

02:40:35 assbot: View the profile of rlh ... ( http://bit.ly/1CDramb )

02:42:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24800 @ 0.00036668 = 9.0937 BTC [-] {2}

02:44:57 punkman: https://twitter.com/NASA/status/539814651404754944

02:45:00 assbot: We're sending humans to Mars! Watch our /hashtag/JourneytoMars?src=hash briefing live today at 12pm ET: http://t.co/6XtjOi1yJo /hashtag/Orion?src=hash http://t.co/wrf89sn35A

02:47:56 adlai: guessing here: you don't need a subpoena to browse the internet during an investigation, but you do need it to take that same internet page to court as evidence?

02:48:25 adlai: ... kinda like your bot that signs pages

02:49:35 BingoBoingo: Dunno for sure

02:53:28 mircea_popescu: adlai generally, you only need it to twist the arm of pois.

02:53:50 adlai: pois?

02:58:02 decimation: lol http://fusion.net/story/5831/jorge-ramos-to-cia-director-dont-you-need-more-people-like-snowden-2/ << "“We actually don’t even recruit spies, to be perfectly honest,” said Ron Patrick, who heads recruitment efforts at the CIA. “That’s television. That’s movies. That’s the general theme about how people refer to what we do here. But it’s not at all what we do.”"

02:58:03 assbot: Jorge Ramos to CIA Director: Don’t You Need ‘More People Like Snowden?’ -- Fusion ... ( http://bit.ly/1FL9nWr )

02:58:17 decimation: "The CIA confirmed to Fusion that for the last two promotion cycles to the Senior Intelligence Service, 40 percent or more of those who were promoted were female."

02:59:30 decimation: re: two strong oxen << Cray died with Cray, unfortunately, its corpse lives on.

03:00:06 decimation: But asciilifeform is right - the raw brute horsepower per watt of 2014 hardware outpaces 2008 hardware, notwithstanding retarded implementation

03:00:49 decimation: and by horsepower I mean "ability to perform arithmetic and convey the results in a timely fashion"

03:01:23 decimation: and asciilifeform is right, the usg folks who 'compute' have no problem running poettering shit if it 'gets the job done'

03:06:01 decimation: mircea_popescu: re: http://www.xenosystems.net/chaos-patch-38/ << a comment at the bottom: "Frog Do Says: IMO, “Moldbug studies” remain one of the more fertile areas of research for the American Outer Right. More interesting info in that “fraudsters” piece than anything on Ferguson."

03:06:04 assbot: Outside in - Involvements with reality » Blog Archive » Chaos Patch (#38) ... ( http://bit.ly/1FLantI )

03:06:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90100 @ 0.00037398 = 33.6956 BTC [+] {3}

03:06:35 mircea_popescu: ha, fancy that.

03:06:36 decimation: I don't think what we do here is 'moldbug studies' but I think the channel is at friendly to some of his conclusions

03:07:01 decimation: at any rate, people with brains recognize novel thought

03:07:41 mircea_popescu: i think that's an artefact of approach. in this sense, my pieces loling at usg feminists are properly "Feminist studies"

03:08:08 mircea_popescu: just like you know, pissing on an anthil is "ant deluvionation" if you're looking at the world from an ant.

03:08:41 decimation: yeah I buy that. more like "Feminist studies" than bitching about some nerd wearing a shirt with scantily clad women

03:11:02 decimation: re: follow-up on those 'oath keepers' who 'volunteered' to guard businesses in Ferguson: https://www.facebook.com/duane.weed.54/posts/988857591129752 << "This past Wednesday (11/26), local police were advised in private briefings that the police (i.e. Federal agencies) now consider the Oath Keepers the threat, not the New Black Panthers, the pro-Michael Brown demonstrators, or ISIS."

03:11:03 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FLaW6E )

03:11:37 decimation: "Early this afternoon, I confirmed (through a private source) what I have suspected since last August. Namely that the daily telephone interaction between MO Governor Nixon and the White House has involved Ms. Valerie Jarrett not the POTUS."

03:12:46 decimation: who knows if this guy is legit, but if what he is wrote is true, USG apparently views a group of actual people acting of their own free will to be a much greater threat than rampaging rivers of meat

03:15:14 mircea_popescu: lawl.

03:15:36 mircea_popescu: of course it would duh.

03:15:44 mircea_popescu: rivers of meat are still just rivers.

03:17:29 decimation: heh someone lifted a qntra article http://www.ufblog.net/quotable-52/

03:17:32 assbot: Quotable (#52) | Urban Future (2.1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1FLbGZr )

03:21:26 decimation: Nick Land seems to be taking quite a liking to bitcoin-assets thought

03:21:34 decimation: http://www.xenosystems.net/undead/

03:21:37 assbot: Outside in - Involvements with reality » Blog Archive » Undead ... ( http://bit.ly/12qaKh5 )

03:36:05 mike_c: no room on qntra amongst the daily australian bitcoin news for a piece on coinbase becoming an exchange now? such xenophobia.

03:40:06 cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/12/new-zealand-couple-avoid-jail-for-drugs-imported-via-silk-road-like-site/

03:40:07 assbot: New Zealand Couple Avoid Jail For Drugs Imported Via Silk Road Like Site | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/12qgBmx )

03:40:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70700 @ 0.00037783 = 26.7126 BTC [+] {2}

03:41:09 BingoBoingo: mike_c: Coinbase is not news. They exist. Their changing shit slightly totally not news. If qntra was a thing when they introduced their wallet less node thing, news. USD paypal wallet thing not news.

03:41:29 BingoBoingo: mike_c: Unless you can do charts for it...

03:42:01 cazalla: mike_c, despite my being an aussie, it's not bias, simply interesting news coming from down under past few days, the coinbase thing is meh, plenty of sites have usd type wallets, who really cares imo, they can add the iraqi dinar and maybe i'll post that

03:42:19 mike_c: this has nothing to do with wallets

03:42:44 mike_c: it is now an exchange. hold $$, hold btc, trade at will instantly.

03:42:50 BingoBoingo: The Aussie stuff though did come as a huge dump.

03:42:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 30 @ 0.10020039 = 3.006 BTC [-] {4}

03:43:04 BingoBoingo: Coinbase was always an exchange... just a slow one.

03:43:10 mike_c: now, it wasn't

03:43:13 BingoBoingo: That freezes accounts a lot..

03:43:21 mike_c: *no. you couldn't hold USD on coinbase. now you can.

03:43:24 cazalla: and i don't want to be seen to promote the idea that holding usd on coinbase is a good idea either

03:43:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43100 @ 0.00038236 = 16.4797 BTC [+] {2}

03:44:14 BingoBoingo: mike_c: If you can news it up, qntra worthy prolly. Just when Australia had an orgy of pieces on the wrong politics...

03:44:14 mike_c: this is silly. where do you think US qntra readers buy their bitcoin?

03:44:25 mike_c: fucking bitstamp?

03:44:43 BingoBoingo: I thought US people bought bitcoin in Tijuana from Sinaloa

03:44:46 cazalla: mike_c, buying and holding 2 different things, i use similar sites but it's a one way street

03:45:32 BingoBoingo: I'm coming around to this maybe being newsworthy, but as someone without a bank account I think another USian could do a fairer take.

03:45:50 decimation: mike_c: where else to us qntra readers buy bitcoin? otc?

03:46:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1255 @ 0.0011992 = 1.505 BTC [-] {2}

03:46:03 cazalla: mike_c, you're always welcome to write it up, pocket some shares in the process

03:46:15 mike_c: qntra is not #b-a news, it is 'better than coindesk' news. i doubt they use otc.

03:46:55 BingoBoingo: decimation: I actually can see a case for people to buy BTC off of CoinBase and pocket them elsewhere, provided they are willing to lose USD to the machine's quirks

03:47:18 decimation: eh, if they sell and deliver, that makes them a worth market participant right?

03:47:36 decimation: I think the complaint is that whenever the price moves, coinbase suddenly has 'issues'

03:47:41 BingoBoingo: decimation: Or it robs the waterfall of the ability to paper BTC

03:48:46 BingoBoingo: ALright I've set my timer. If someone else volunteers to do a COinbase has a USD wallet too nao, I won't give it a one sentence writeup.

03:48:56 cazalla: mike_c, it's also a question of priority, there is little to be gained by giving the coinbse news top priority when it is top of reddit and other bitcoin news sites

03:49:21 mike_c: huh? I don't want to read reddit and other btc news sites. i thought this was whole point of qntra.

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03:49:28 BingoBoingo: !b 1

03:49:37 mircea_popescu: <mike_c> qntra is not #b-a news, it is 'better than coindesk' news. i doubt they use otc. << this is a point, but srsly, write it.

03:50:15 BingoBoingo: Point. I'll write it in a few if no one wants to give it a treatment.

03:50:43 mike_c: fine, I'll write it up.

03:51:26 BingoBoingo: Thank you mike_c

03:51:47 mike_c: this is what you get for complaining around here. work!

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03:51:57 BingoBoingo: !b 3

03:51:59 cazalla: mike_c: it is now an exchange. hold $$, hold btc, trade at will instantly. <<< is it an actual exchange or continue to be market maker?

03:52:09 mike_c: the latter

03:52:18 mike_c: with tightish spreads though

03:52:24 BingoBoingo: I think they tend to still sell themselves as a broker

03:53:07 BingoBoingo: Effect will probably be to make BTC to USD transactions a bigger pain in the ass on their platform the next runup

03:56:00 mircea_popescu: <mike_c> this is what you get for complaining around here. work! << real do-ocracy over here.

03:56:22 cazalla: <mike_c> this is what you get for complaining around here. work! <<< there are plenty of bids for s.qntra shares on MPEx. BingoBoingo and I can't cover every single story, I have no intention to sell my own shares so anyone with the inclination to earn a bit of btc can cover what we miss and sell their shares if so desired

03:57:47 mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> Effect will probably be to make BTC to USD transactions a bigger pain in the ass on their platform the next runup << yup.

03:57:51 BingoBoingo: Honestly the situation with qntra shares is that if you want them you write, or buy into something kind of bubbly. I mean there's far less shares than BTC

04:02:19 BingoBoingo: !up Vexual

04:02:24 Vexual: ayo

04:02:51 Vexual: what u mean bubbly fool?

04:03:30 Vexual: I cream truck don't need no windsheild wipers

04:04:03 Vexual: It's sunny out

04:07:08 Vexual: I'm not sure how that relates, but it sure is some business science

04:08:24 decimation: what if it is raining funnel web spiders?

04:08:39 Vexual: you ain't gonna sell no icecreams

04:09:59 cazalla: i think i might've outdone asciilifeform's buterin diagram.. http://i.imgur.com/8ydqSV7.png http://i.imgur.com/WcdnKZ1.png http://i.imgur.com/dUc5E2b.png

04:10:00 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1HXE2DC )

04:10:02 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1HXE2Ud )

04:10:04 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1HXE3aF )

04:10:47 nubbins`: it's raining funnel web spiders

04:10:51 nubbins`: hallelujah

04:10:55 BingoBoingo: cazalla: You and your non-z80 based nintendos

04:13:04 cazalla: BingoBoingo, i bet this new one breaks within a year or two too

04:13:59 *: asciilifeform went home, sat down to write broadcast and ended up reading the eldritch horror on mircea_popescu's site.

04:14:06 mircea_popescu: lol

04:14:15 mircea_popescu: which one of em ?

04:14:18 asciilifeform: both.

04:14:25 BingoBoingo: Maybe. I also bet I can get more interesting pokemans in my version blue on the original game boy

04:14:50 mircea_popescu: that's what fraudsters's for. eldritch horrors for everyone.

04:15:13 asciilifeform: how even came up with that one.

04:15:21 cazalla: BingoBoingo, how about red? http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2014#513562

04:15:21 assbot: Logged on 18-02-2014 06:07:03; cazalla: btw my brother had the WR for fastest complete time for pokemon red on twin galaxies

04:15:36 asciilifeform: 'My dick piece never came off, but I didn't want it to, either. I found a black boyfriend that year, and so I discovered that the cause of my orgasm wasn't actually Tyrone's pee.'

04:15:42 BingoBoingo: cazalla: Cousin had red, brother had yellow

04:16:51 asciilifeform: can't help but wonder if tale is allegorical.

04:17:00 mircea_popescu: :)

04:17:02 asciilifeform: for glbse or the like...

04:17:14 mike_c: cazalla, how do i submit this turd? pastebin?

04:17:34 cazalla: mike_c, it can be polished via cazalla@fastmail.com.au

04:18:47 BingoBoingo: mike_c: emailed to either of us works. If editorial at all to cazalla after the pete_incidents.

04:20:16 mike_c: email sent to caz

04:24:21 cazalla: BingoBoingo, should i file this under scams/fraud? :P

04:24:27 cazalla: perhaps even altcoins!

04:24:33 mike_c: for the record, i was not really complaining about the amount of australian news. I'm read that stuff and am interested. It was just concerning that coinbase does stuff like expand to 20 countries and enable instant trading with no mention.

04:24:47 mike_c: makes me feel like i'm missing out on stuff.

04:24:53 BingoBoingo: cazalla: Prolly not. fiat/btc interfaces is prolly fine

04:25:08 mike_c: plz. you filed changetip under investment.

04:25:20 cazalla: mike_c, it's all good :) http://qntra.net/2014/12/coinbase-allows-usd-balance-for-a-few-us-customers/

04:25:20 assbot: Coinbase Allows USD Balance for a Few US Customers | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1HXGEBt )

04:25:23 BingoBoingo: Changetip did get an "Investment"

04:25:51 *: BingoBoingo could have a Coinbase USD wallet if I could ACH...

04:26:28 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo banks at First Nigerian Bank of Spam?

04:26:30 asciilifeform: why no ach ?

04:26:47 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Prepaid debitcard and cash for my USD needs.

04:26:55 BingoBoingo: recieves ACH jsut fine

04:27:15 BingoBoingo: Simply no need or cause for having a full featured USD bank account

04:27:16 asciilifeform: but cannot send ?

04:27:28 BingoBoingo: Nope, cannot send

04:27:39 BingoBoingo: UNless they changed shit since last I checked.

04:28:05 decimation: BingoBoingo: how do you get paid? bitcoin?

04:28:15 asciilifeform: gold dubloons ?

04:28:18 BingoBoingo: I don't get paid.

04:28:21 decimation: ah

04:28:24 BingoBoingo: Nomad

04:28:28 mike_c: he gets paid in qntra shares

04:28:32 BingoBoingo: !s Have tent

04:28:33 assbot: 5 results for 'Have tent' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=Have+tent

04:28:41 decimation: you should under the stump like that one fellow

04:29:55 mike_c: cazalla: cool, thx for quick publish and light touch on editing.

04:29:59 *: BingoBoingo made the mistake of going to Library school. "All of these old people are going to retire soon" they said. "People want technology skills they said" as they sort applicants by facebook.

04:32:07 decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2014#770595

04:32:07 assbot: Logged on 26-07-2014 19:37:58; asciilifeform: now, if you're willing to live like a feral dog, it isn't even necessary to leave the country. i recall, a few years ago, an article about one fellow who lived in a dugout in a u.s. national park. for ~30 years. he was caught by pure chance.

04:33:11 punkman: http://www.coinsetter.com/bitcoin-news/2014/12/02/bitcoin-difficulty-drops-first-time-22-months-1951

04:33:13 assbot: News: Bitcoin Difficulty Drops for the First Time in 22 MonthsCoinsetter Bitcoin News ... ( http://bit.ly/1HXI5jl )

04:33:15 punkman: you got scooped

04:35:13 mircea_popescu: yeah srsly, wasn't the bitbet bet here earlier ?

04:35:25 mircea_popescu: qntra totally needs a piece on that.

04:35:30 punkman: most interesting news for the day

04:35:33 punkman: maybe week

04:36:09 BingoBoingo: Fuck, drafting a piece nao.

04:36:39 cazalla: didn't occur to me despite logs earlier

04:36:47 mircea_popescu: mhm.

04:36:55 mircea_popescu: punkman has it, it's major.

04:37:15 BingoBoingo: It is.

04:37:45 BingoBoingo: Fuck, I totally failied to recognize major event is major.

04:37:48 cazalla: in hindsight, could've prepared an article for the moment diff changed

04:38:02 cazalla: as they do celebs

04:38:07 mircea_popescu: yeah, some base of prepared articles for sopme stuff is not a bad idea.

04:38:40 punkman: http://technobit.eu/index.php?id_product=93&controller=product&id_lang=1 < "personal Bitcoin lottery device" hah

04:38:42 assbot: "DICE" 160 GHs desktop USB miner / blockchain lottery device - TechnoBit ... ( http://bit.ly/1AeaVXN )

04:39:24 cazalla: BingoBoingo, maybe include bitbet odds favoured it despite last minute bets

04:41:22 kuzetsa: http://youtu.be/lkaIoH6Um60 <<< warning, japanese people are weird

04:41:23 assbot: 「3秒クッキング 爆速エビフライ」篇 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1HXJwOM )

04:42:12 decimation: the us tardstream media *loves* pre-planned events

04:42:19 decimation: this ferguson thing is a good example

04:43:13 mircea_popescu: ahaha great one kuzetsa

04:49:01 punkman: how hot would the flame need to be to do that?

04:49:33 *: punkman assumes photoshop

04:49:49 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/?topic=175.0 << this shit is evil incidentally.

04:49:50 assbot: A Heroin Store ... ( http://bit.ly/1HXKV7Z )

04:50:14 mircea_popescu: there's no way to build a case out of that if rigurously observed outside of fed-fiat.

04:50:31 mircea_popescu: "we know you must convict this guy and won't tell you why or how we found out. sign here."

04:51:24 mircea_popescu: "Yes, I2P or Tor would work for such a website. Freenet is probably more secure because there are no entry/exit nodes to monitor, but Freesites can only serve static content, and anonymous Bitcoin payments don't have a way to include a message with them."

04:51:30 mircea_popescu: of course they do. fraudsters credits uses it.

04:52:21 BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2014/12/first-difficulty-drop-of-the-asic-age/ << Up nao

04:52:22 assbot: First Difficulty Drop of the ASIC Age | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1HXLezI )

04:52:32 BingoBoingo: Fuck that could have been up 5 hours ago

04:52:57 decimation: why would usg care if you were the intended recipient or a random victim?

04:53:46 mircea_popescu: because if one can joejob people this way ima put nuland in prison on federal drug charges ?

04:54:33 decimation: how would one "send" the mail anonymously?

04:54:41 decimation: like, you leave package on the postman's door?

04:55:27 BingoBoingo: I someone who can graph wants to do a longer piece on difficulty drops in Bitcoin's history...

04:55:31 BingoBoingo: *if

05:01:18 decimation: mircea_popescu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berwyn_Heights,_Maryland_mayor's_residence_drug_raid << actually this has already been done

05:01:20 assbot: Berwyn Heights, Maryland mayor's residence drug raid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1HXMQto )

05:04:51 *: BingoBoingo working on qntra heroin store joejob piece

05:12:47 BingoBoingo: !up xinxiwang

05:13:16 xinxiwang: thanks

05:13:35 xinxiwang: is there Japanese here?

05:15:36 BingoBoingo: Maybe?

05:18:16 BingoBoingo: !up Vexual

05:18:34 Vexual: don't see much japanese here

05:19:07 Vexual: !s magicaltux

05:19:09 assbot: 105 results for 'magicaltux' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=magicaltux

05:19:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31650 @ 0.00037145 = 11.7564 BTC [-] {3}

05:27:21 Vexual: toyotas up tho

05:27:37 decimation: ;;lastseen magicaltux

05:27:38 gribble: Error: "lastseen" is not a valid command.

05:27:46 Vexual: no last

05:27:57 Vexual: ;;last magicaltux

05:27:57 gribble: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must match; (1 more message)

05:28:10 asciilifeform: decimation: mayor raid << this was right where i lived at the time.

05:28:19 asciilifeform: didn't see it, but read in local rag.

05:28:19 Vexual: ;;seen magicaltux

05:28:19 gribble: I have not seen magicaltux.

05:28:23 asciilifeform: they machine-gunned his dog.

05:28:34 mircea_popescu: decimation sure.

05:29:12 decimation: asciilifeform: you and the mayor prefer the ghetto :)

05:29:16 mircea_popescu: <decimation> like, you leave package on the postman's door? << pay homeless dude 10 bux ?

05:29:28 mircea_popescu: xinxiwang nope. are you japanese ?

05:29:33 decimation: maybe usg pays him 20

05:29:34 Vexual: sg

05:29:46 xinxiwang: no, I am chinese

05:29:47 mircea_popescu: decimation yeah. right.

05:29:49 asciilifeform: 'We've apologized for the incident, but we will never apologize for taking drugs off our streets. Quite frankly, we'd do it again. Tonight.'

05:29:56 decimation: lol

05:30:15 mircea_popescu: aka "we had fun, fuck you"

05:30:21 asciilifeform: aha.

05:30:41 Vexual: xinxiwang, why so many bitcoiners in sg?

05:31:03 xinxiwang: maybe singapore is a good place for bitcoin business.

05:31:48 xinxiwang: the government follows the law strictly. they don’t ban it.

05:31:53 xinxiwang: they cannot ban it.

05:32:04 decimation: xinxiwang: are people in the prc generally able to hold bitcoin?

05:32:19 asciilifeform: even in usa, can hold bitcoin.

05:32:20 xinxiwang: surely they can.

05:32:32 asciilifeform: even in auschwitz, if it were built again.

05:32:37 decimation: xinxiwang: what about the exchanges that were shut down?

05:32:45 asciilifeform: fat lot of good 'holding' does, though.

05:32:49 xinxiwang: which one was shut down?

05:32:54 decimation: asciilifeform: good point

05:32:55 xinxiwang: btcchina? okcoin?

05:32:58 decimation: yeah

05:33:08 xinxiwang: none of them was shut down.

05:33:10 decimation: I guess they were forced to not accept bank transfers right?

05:33:22 xinxiwang: oh yeah, they have some other ways.

05:33:28 xinxiwang: it does not really matter.

05:34:05 decimation: xinxiwang: is there a functioning over-the-counter market in the prc for bitcoin?

05:34:13 mircea_popescu: "In 2009 Mayor Cheye Calvo proposed a measure that would require every Maryland police department that operates a SWAT team to submit biannual reports on its activities, including where and when it was deployed and whether an operation resulted in arrests, evidence seizures, or injuries."

05:34:14 mircea_popescu: heh.

05:34:20 xinxiwang: I guess no.

05:34:23 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> even in usa, can hold bitcoin. << SO far I can even transact.

05:34:34 asciilifeform: difficulty drops << expect others, as usg torches miner farm after farm.

05:34:35 decimation: mircea_popescu: tally how many dogs killed?

05:35:08 mircea_popescu: i guess lol.

05:35:10 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> difficulty drops << expect others, as usg torches miner farm after farm. << USG dealing with CHina and Russia, won't seize but torch. Owner torches.

05:35:26 mircea_popescu: truth be told, a lot more swat derps need to be kiled on a daily basis, to balance that shit out.

05:35:34 Vexual: dow jones industrial all time high

05:35:39 asciilifeform: !s solzhenitsyn axe

05:35:40 assbot: 6 results for 'solzhenitsyn axe' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=solzhenitsyn+axe

05:35:54 asciilifeform: not one dead swat man afaik. not in recent years.

05:35:57 decimation: mircea_popescu: that facebook post above demonstrates there are those who fantasize about doing exactly that I think

05:36:19 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i know. kinda the problem.

05:36:20 asciilifeform: the ss man is bold precisely because impunity.

05:36:29 mircea_popescu: nothing worse than an aparatchick with a delusion of invulnerability.

05:36:35 asciilifeform: if there were danger, he would be a coward, like usa in iraq.

05:36:45 BingoBoingo: SWAT man's advantage in the US is practice

05:36:49 mircea_popescu: generally speaking, considering the line of work, a 2-3 year average lifespan for anyone involved would be reasonable.

05:36:55 asciilifeform: machine gun a hunting dog? sure. good sport, apparently.

05:37:16 asciilifeform: i bet they skinned, tanned the hides.

05:37:22 asciilifeform: trophy heads on wall.

05:37:28 mircea_popescu: i dunno, i'd personally hold on to acquitting anyone accused of shooting a swat derp, if in his home.

05:37:37 mircea_popescu: just on a general "well, vote for the underdog" thing.

05:38:08 Vexual: australia gets a lot more people shot in their kitchen for holding a kitchen knife than americaz

05:38:13 asciilifeform: if this becomes a plausible thing, jury trial will be abolished in usa.

05:38:20 mircea_popescu: so let it be abolished lol.

05:38:33 mircea_popescu: take the 2-3year average lifespan to 16 monts, what of it.

05:38:47 asciilifeform: presently it's a useful propaganda tool - usg picks pliant juries reliably, gives extra spray paint coating of 'legitimacy' to everything the courts do.

05:38:56 decimation: I donno, if jury trial is abolished, one might find many more declared and undeclared 'oath keepers' come out of the woodwork

05:39:20 mircea_popescu: decimation like one did when patriot didn't sunset, right ?

05:39:30 mircea_popescu: country of cowards will straigthen in teh grave.

05:39:33 asciilifeform: this is one reason it is kept. because the supply of pliant cattle is bottomless.

05:39:35 decimation: how does one swat raid the swat team?

05:39:55 Vexual: re

05:40:11 BingoBoingo: decimation: How much are you bidding for the job?

05:40:28 asciilifeform: incidentally, this is why 'fergusons' are created.

05:40:44 asciilifeform: the very thing that keeps average usaschwitz inmate from wishing for dead swat men

05:41:01 asciilifeform: they are seen as 'legionaires' standing between him and the horde.

05:41:20 asciilifeform: see also mr. mold's 'dalits', and 'yi yi zhi yi.'

05:41:54 Vexual: do i mell tanqueray?

05:42:06 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> they are seen as 'legionaires' standing between him and the horde. << Very true in the case of Ferguson particulars

05:42:21 asciilifeform: more of a generalized hypothesis.

05:42:36 Vexual: jack daniels?

05:42:57 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the problem here is that you're thinking this in terms of perception,

05:42:57 decimation: asciilifeform: yeah which is why the 'oath keepers' who appeared were a serious threat

05:43:04 decimation: !up xinxiwang

05:43:09 mircea_popescu: while it's not much a matter of perception. pure thermodynamics.

05:43:41 Vexual: legioinaires get a passport

05:44:10 Vexual: but you don't get to pretend

05:44:19 decimation: if the 'oath keepers' demostrate that peace can be kept without swat/usg/fed/bureaucracy, 'people' might get the wrong idea

05:44:43 decimation: the real reason Ferguson was held was to excite the blacks to turnout 110% for hilary

05:45:35 decimation: that and to distract from the fact that obama & the dems lost big "we lost but whitey is still racis!!!"

05:45:56 BingoBoingo: decimation> the real reason Ferguson was held was to excite the blacks to turnout 110% for hilary << Hilary's not running. Jim Webb.

05:46:06 decimation: heh

05:47:05 mircea_popescu: decimation listen, the market in security is such that various groups always tend to posture as you know

05:47:11 decimation: meanwhile on the other side of the river: http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/article_9f15bf49-c8b7-5bc3-8671-ac291f666084.html "St. Louis police Chief Sam Dotson spoke with residents at the street protest Sunday night. He said he was sorry about what happened and sought to reassure people the killing did not appear motivated by race or ethnicity."

05:47:13 assbot: Fatal hammer attack on Bosnian immigrant not racially motivated, St. Louis police say : News ... ( http://bit.ly/1pRgv1t )

05:47:13 mircea_popescu: "we're the one you need to pay for rain and sunshine"

05:47:31 mircea_popescu: this is the original spark of mob turf wars, too. it's basically free money.

05:47:33 asciilifeform: if a sparrow farts in rural wyoming, it is provably racially motivated.

05:47:48 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform depends on the races involved.

05:47:55 asciilifeform: any and all.

05:48:26 mircea_popescu: nah, bosnian dude was kinda off-white but not dark enough.

05:48:36 asciilifeform: aha - racial.

05:49:10 BingoBoingo: I honestly think is was stupid for a mixed gang of Hispanics and Black americans to pick on the Bosnians for lacking melanin.

05:49:29 mircea_popescu: im sure they picked on them over disagreements as to how to treat bitchez.

05:50:21 BingoBoingo: In St Louis the Bosnians benefit from geographic concentration and the part where "white" people love living in bosnian neighborhoods

05:50:58 decimation: apparently this video was taken shortly after the Bosian was attacked https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIPZ09WcTWk

05:50:59 assbot: Hammers Attack Video - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ygkK4u )

05:51:48 BingoBoingo: My brother the Dentist in little Sarajevo in St Louis feels safer there than in Gretchen Wilson country where he grew up... largely because he assumes his neighbors are so much more armed.

05:53:29 decimation: here's the ny post coverage. dude looks pretty darn white to me (the guy on the st. louis dispatch story is one of the perps) http://nypost.com/2014/12/01/teens-savagely-beat-man-with-hammers-in-random-attack/

05:53:30 assbot: Protests in St. Louis after teens ‘bash man to death’ with hammers | New York Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1ygloPx )

05:54:39 BingoBoingo: A lot of people in the region won't admit it, but yes Bosnians are very white and this worries them.

05:56:51 decimation: BingoBoingo: the fear being that the Bosnians didn't get the memo that they supposed to do whatever usg or the local thugs demand?

05:57:36 asciilifeform: see also chechens.

05:57:55 asciilifeform: u.s. chechen community - remembers.

05:58:03 BingoBoingo: decimation: The fear that people who aren't white are so pissed at whites they are targeting people most whites don't consider white in spite of optics

05:58:36 decimation: asciilifeform: us chechens probably aren't a fan of usg either

05:58:46 asciilifeform: probably?!

05:59:02 decimation: heh

05:59:39 decimation: such a grand strategy usg undertook, to import all of its enemies worldwide and make them citizens so we could all love them with socialism

05:59:49 assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0F9SBFM.txt )

05:59:49 BingoBoingo: !b 1

06:00:13 asciilifeform: their job was to keep rural usa down.

06:00:18 asciilifeform: so far, still performing admirably.

06:00:32 mircea_popescu: motherfucker.

06:00:35 decimation: yeah, this is pretty much why blacks live in eastern urban cores by the way

06:00:40 mircea_popescu: so google decided spontaneously to redirect me to argentina google.

06:00:53 mircea_popescu: turns out the solution is adding &ncr=1 to whatever string you use for autosearch

06:01:05 mircea_popescu: still, annoying shit.

06:01:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29313 @ 0.00036354 = 10.6564 BTC [-] {2}

06:02:03 mircea_popescu: decimation chechens are a fan of whatever empire they happen to have clung to the skirts of.

06:02:06 mircea_popescu: they love the russians, too.

06:02:24 *: BingoBoingo still amazed white StL people don't realize that bosnians are what keep south city habitable

06:02:45 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform rural anything doesn't need keeping down.

06:02:52 mircea_popescu: rurality is a dead duck everywhere and in all times.

06:02:54 asciilifeform: homo redditicus has no idea what keeps his habitat habitable until - isn't

06:03:13 asciilifeform: dead duck with one trump card - the food.

06:03:23 decimation: yeah but the us between the coasts (especially east of the mississippi) isn't exactly rural

06:03:42 decimation: there are loads of major and minor cities that were hollowed out as part of the dekulakization program

06:03:42 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform rural anything doesn't need keeping down. << I embrace it. If the gasenwagen need to burn moar wood to collect me...

06:03:45 asciilifeform: until RuBisCo is fixed and you can grow five men's bread in a pot in the cellar under grow lamp.

06:03:50 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform food hasn't been a serious geopolitical issue since about 1600.

06:03:57 mircea_popescu: i guess it matters in africa or w/e.

06:04:44 asciilifeform: decimation: see 'death and life of great american cities' (jacobs)

06:04:52 decimation: I have it next to me

06:07:31 decimation: no far more important than food were reliable 'rivers of meat' to turn up at the voting-box

06:08:07 asciilifeform: point is, city man must subjugate plow man - to live.

06:08:20 asciilifeform: the latter needs nothing from the former.

06:08:37 asciilifeform: as true now as in babylon.

06:08:39 decimation: asciilifeform: except historically the city man own's the country man's plows & fields

06:08:43 mircea_popescu: eh get out.

06:08:46 asciilifeform: owns - right.

06:09:07 mircea_popescu: dude this is like saying guy has to "subjugate" woman, as she needs nothing etc.

06:09:28 mircea_popescu: if this patent nonsense had any sort of irl merit, you'll be stuck explaining the crowd at my door.

06:09:44 mircea_popescu: "need" doesn't work in this ethereal, abstract way you use it.

06:09:55 asciilifeform: folks line up to be subjugated.

06:09:57 asciilifeform: how else.

06:10:04 mircea_popescu: plowman desperately needs city man because well, his village is so boring watching flies fuck is a release.

06:10:14 asciilifeform: but this is perhaps the only thing they 'need' here.

06:10:21 BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2014/12/bitcoin-history-heroin-store-joe-job-and-the-bitcointalk-subpoena/

06:10:22 assbot: Bitcoin History: Heroin Store Joe Job and the Bitcointalk Subpoena | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1ygqaN3 )

06:10:25 mircea_popescu: it doesn't have to be anymore.

06:11:42 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> plowman desperately needs city man because well, his village is so boring watching flies fuck is a release. << Come one, goats!!!

06:11:50 decimation: note that no one is actually employed plowing anymore, except by usg, and those plows are automated machines

06:12:02 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform take the earlier point re "stalin made an experiment of making peasant life suck more". it's a construction.

06:12:15 asciilifeform: decimation: replaced oxen to subjugate farmer. just like lenin did.

06:12:26 mircea_popescu: the other construction is that peasant 20 yo kid FUCKING LOVED getting to travel, getting to work on a construction yard and whistle at anon girls in skirts passing by

06:12:37 mircea_popescu: that the sheer entertainment value of it al is what motivated 99% of the movement.

06:12:38 asciilifeform: or thought he would love.

06:12:42 mircea_popescu: the remainder... they're a statistic.

06:12:45 mircea_popescu: no, genuinely loved it.

06:12:46 asciilifeform: see mircea_popescu's example of hollywood girl.

06:13:17 mircea_popescu: genuinely loved it. the fucking adventure of it all, fuck dude, think of it, he's like a hero of legend.

06:13:24 asciilifeform: but aha, death in the great belomor canal, or in trenches, is exciting. wish i had some right now.

06:13:27 mircea_popescu: the propaganda said this specifically, but it worked not because it said it

06:13:35 BingoBoingo: !up xinxiwang

06:13:36 mircea_popescu: it worked because it echoed what the idiots in question were thinking anyway.

06:13:44 decimation: actually the few farm folks I knew generally loved the farm, hated the city

06:13:47 mircea_popescu: "soviets are a fairytale come true"

06:14:05 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'мы рождены чтоб сказку сделать былью!'

06:14:06 mircea_popescu: decimation this is a very specific thing, tho. rural russian kid cca 1920.

06:14:20 asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksh308RiGzM

06:14:21 assbot: Мы рождены, чтоб сказку сделать былью - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1pRmgwb )

06:14:27 mircea_popescu: decimation the best way for you to access that spirit is, read up on koschei.

06:14:33 decimation: heh okay

06:14:44 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform quite.

06:14:51 decimation: a modern us farmer is basically a machinist/engineer

06:14:59 asciilifeform: lol, german version

06:15:01 decimation: they still generally expect to repair own heavy equipment

06:15:04 mircea_popescu: or w/e, http://fraudsters.com/2010/lich/

06:15:05 assbot: Lich pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1pRmrYg )

06:15:25 asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbW_JaCm05A << orig.

06:15:26 assbot: Авиамарш "Всё выше" Soviet Air Force March - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1pRmu6m )

06:15:32 BingoBoingo: !up toffoo

06:16:22 mircea_popescu: meanwhile on other side of the bering straits, http://i.imgur.com/H4V6RJs.gif

06:16:25 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ygs1kR )

06:16:54 asciilifeform: lol!!

06:17:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00037638 = 1.769 BTC [+]

06:18:05 decimation: maybe he was one of the famous 'bums of san francisco' who mistook the escalator for a toilet http://heavy.com/news/2012/07/transit-escalators-clogged-with-insane-amounts-of-human-turd/

06:18:07 assbot: San Fran Escalators Clogged w/ Insane Amounts of Human Turd | Heavy.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1ygsFyT )

06:20:24 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjF7PcVKYho

06:20:25 assbot: Мёртвая страна. 20 лет без СССР - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ygtyY6 )

06:22:40 mircea_popescu: !up astRocreep

06:23:06 decimation: http://theaviationist.com/2014/10/30/spike-in-russian-air-force-activity-in-europe-may-be-a-reaction-to-large-us-strategic-command-bombers-exercise/

06:23:06 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ygumfC )

06:23:57 asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c17gvKbhVeA

06:23:58 assbot: Russia’s nuclear sub test-fires Bulava strategic missile - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1yguxYt )

06:24:25 asciilifeform: ^ they are conducting a whole series of made-for-youtube 'yeah they still work motherfuckers' tests.

06:24:35 decimation: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jun/12/russian-bombers-buzz-us-defense-systems-coast-cali/?page=all

06:24:37 assbot: Russian bombers buzz U.S. defense systems off coast of California - Washington Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1yguE6a )

06:25:02 asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFx3gLs9K74 << from inside

06:25:03 assbot: Bulava Test: First footage inside nuclear submarine launching missile - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1yguKLh )

06:25:03 mircea_popescu: lol bulava stil lfire ?!

06:25:05 mircea_popescu: ahahah

06:26:20 mircea_popescu: lol nice static.

06:27:41 *: asciilifeform will be more convinced once ru demonstrates a still-functioning nuke

06:28:09 decimation: 'tzar bomba'?

06:28:16 mircea_popescu: i dunno that the bulava pose any sort of threat to anyone these days tho.

06:28:17 asciilifeform: of any size

06:28:27 mircea_popescu: it's roughly like firing a tank in slow motion at someone.

06:28:40 mircea_popescu: yeah, sure, if they wait for it they'll get crushed.

06:28:55 asciilifeform: perfectly ordinary ballistic rocket.

06:29:02 asciilifeform: what's the slow part?

06:29:10 mircea_popescu: half the planes in active duty can shoot one down ?

06:29:25 decimation: ???

06:29:26 asciilifeform: point of firing from sub

06:29:43 asciilifeform: yes, rocket on launch pad - can be shot with rifle.

06:29:47 asciilifeform: no airplane needed

06:29:52 asciilifeform: but put the rifleman there first.

06:31:18 mircea_popescu: afaik the classical approach mostly intercepts them at perihelion

06:31:41 decimation: like, in space?

06:31:42 asciilifeform: classical approach also has the rocket traverse from wherever to washington in 30 min.

06:31:48 asciilifeform: as many as required.

06:32:09 asciilifeform: (and conversely)

06:32:24 decimation: yeah as far as I know, except for extremely expensive bezzlar rockets usg owns, there is very little that can be done to intercept ballistic missile once it is past its initial acceleration phase

06:32:32 asciilifeform: see also the american 'domino's pizza' bunker door ad.

06:33:01 asciilifeform: can fire death rays at falling cones but this is what the decoy barrels are for.

06:33:17 BingoBoingo: Another /. submission http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&type=submission&id=4029519

06:33:18 assbot: Bitcoin History: A Reverse Joe Job and A Subpoena - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1ygxisy )

06:33:26 decimation: right, and death rays are also terribly common

06:33:34 decimation: err, not terribly common

06:33:39 asciilifeform: in usa, fascination with death rays

06:33:50 asciilifeform: potential of absorbing infinite money, the real military win.

06:33:51 mircea_popescu: anyway, long story short, i dun think anyone's doing anything with any rockets. bulava or otherwise.

06:34:15 decimation: http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/missiles-wmds/what-terminal-velocity-icbm-11609/ << "This 1963 RAND study suggests typically between 7.5 and 9.5 km/s depending on atmospheric entry angle and certain individual boost phase parameters."

06:34:17 assbot: What is a terminal velocity of an ICBM? - Defense Technology & Military Forum ... ( http://bit.ly/1ygxvMp )

06:34:17 mircea_popescu: so your "i'll trust them when they use one" is kinda an unfairly distant bridge.

06:34:23 asciilifeform: rocket is a 'memento mori.'

06:34:33 asciilifeform: for otherwise-ineducable imbeciles.

06:34:50 mircea_popescu: decimation terminal velocity is not the point.

06:35:19 mircea_popescu: at some point, the rocket, low on fuel, turns back towards the earth. at that point it's damned slow.

06:35:21 *: BingoBoingo always imagined a perfect "nuclear power" untouchable datacenter would target DC, Beijing, Moscow, and Mecca for its dead hand protocol

06:36:08 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 24 decoy cones. sop.

06:36:32 mircea_popescu: even so.

06:36:57 asciilifeform: mr bush's bezzlemeisters were unable to reliably pop even one - and fitted with beacon at that.

06:36:57 decimation: also, the implication is that you either have an anti-missile that travels much faster (therefore less mass on target)

06:37:03 asciilifeform: the entire subject quietly went away.

06:37:25 asciilifeform: decimation: the traditionally beloved pill is particle weapons

06:37:41 decimation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_YAL-1

06:37:43 assbot: Boeing YAL-1 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1pRqZxU )

06:37:43 mircea_popescu: decimation nah, the implication is that you plot its trajectory and wait for it there

06:38:35 asciilifeform: decimation: notice - intended to shoot opponent's rocket during launch.

06:38:36 asciilifeform: not fall.

06:38:39 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Which lonely place was that video about?

06:38:48 decimation: asciilifeform: yes, this seems like a more likely attack method honestly

06:38:50 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: all of them.

06:38:58 BingoBoingo: Damn

06:39:09 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo can make similar film about usa.

06:39:18 asciilifeform: no shortage of towns.

06:39:45 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: One was already made, torrent "Birth of a Nation" Next step has yet to be made.

06:40:08 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: point is not that it is physically impossible to shoot a falling cone. but that it is a thermodynamic race that the rocket man - wins. and the death ray man - loses.

06:40:18 asciilifeform: because of sheer difference in complexity and cost.

06:40:47 asciilifeform: see also thread:

06:40:48 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-02-2014#488934

06:40:48 assbot: Logged on 08-02-2014 00:14:28; asciilifeform: imagine you possess a death ray that magically zaps a rocket, from any distance.

06:40:50 mircea_popescu: death rays aren't really going anywhere, but anyway

06:41:05 BingoBoingo: Shhh....

06:41:21 mircea_popescu: i mean it's not a bad way to waste money, who knows what the reaearching kids come up with

06:41:30 mircea_popescu: but it won't be this magical laser thing

06:45:30 *: BingoBoingo had a dream... Where the avaians crashed a ship while trying to depose the reptilians and I managed to kit out a fishing boat with their sweet alien gear...

06:48:55 mircea_popescu: lol

06:49:08 BingoBoingo: Seriously epic dream.

06:49:50 BingoBoingo: Lizard hitler has nothing on hawk hitler... dunno I want to disclose how I ended in that scenario...

06:50:09 BingoBoingo: !up xinxiwang

06:59:40 BingoBoingo: !up warptangent

07:01:59 asciilifeform: http://youtu.be/kvm5c1dMmFo?t=4m42s

07:02:01 assbot: Ракетные войска стратегического назначения. www.voenvideo.ru - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1pRvYyo )

07:02:08 asciilifeform: ^ another rocket ad

07:05:54 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: What are the rought loper-os dreams after Chicom memresistors?

07:06:33 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: dream will be for next fella.

07:06:56 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You'll live long enough for that.

07:10:18 BingoBoingo: Never underestimate chicom appropriation.

07:13:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 70 @ 0.1 = 7 BTC [-]

07:14:49 BingoBoingo: !up RagnarsBitch

07:19:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30200 @ 0.00036071 = 10.8934 BTC [-]

07:37:38 BingoBoingo: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=881488.msg9725230#msg9725230

07:37:39 assbot: DPR subpoena ... ( http://bit.ly/1BcfQf5 )

07:40:53 BingoBoingo: ^If notary were here would be entered into the record.

08:45:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9460 @ 0.00036071 = 3.4123 BTC [-]

08:47:15 BingoBoingo: !up Vexual

08:51:12 BingoBoingo: bed time

08:53:49 Vexual: huh?

08:54:19 Vexual: i get kicked for smoking a reefer now?

08:54:53 Vexual: oh wait, im still here

08:59:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43685 @ 0.00034269 = 14.9704 BTC [-]

09:05:17 Vexual: thats confucingly fair

09:07:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23342 @ 0.00035122 = 8.1982 BTC [+]

09:11:16 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DjpNgrocKo everclear heroiin girl

10:22:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18055 @ 0.0003519 = 6.3536 BTC [+] {2}

11:00:38 RagnarDanneskjol: http://arxiv.org/abs/1411.7099

11:00:39 assbot: [1411.7099] The Miner's Dilemma ... ( http://bit.ly/1BcLUPR )

11:01:32 RagnarDanneskjol: http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2531518

11:01:34 assbot: The Political Economy of Bitcoin by Josh Hendrickson, Thomas L. Hogan, William J. Luther :: SSRN ... ( http://bit.ly/1BcM2Pl )

11:14:30 cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/12/australian-big-four-attempt-to-build-real-time-payment-work-again/

11:14:31 assbot: Australian "Big Four" Attempt To Build Real Time Payment Work.. Again | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1vMY7X2 )

11:14:39 cazalla: soz for more aussie spam :P

11:19:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00035198 = 3.3438 BTC [+]

11:24:18 cazalla: mircea_popescu: plowman desperately needs city man because well, his village is so boring watching flies fuck is a release <<< plowman has ample room for gardening, perhaps rabbits and even other livestock.. plowman is actually plowking!

11:35:39 cazalla: RagnarDanneskjol, first beyond me, second looks interesting

12:35:04 davout: ;;later tell mircea_popescu "<davout> yes, continuous trading seems so much simpler, not sure if there's a blocker i'm missing tho << it's nonsense, what exactly is a future that has no future date ?" <<< didn't say there shouldn't be a maturity date, i said trading should be continuous

12:35:04 gribble: The operation succeeded.

12:37:09 nubbins`: cazalla plowking

12:37:24 nubbins`: alternating 3ds pokemon with decapitating bunnies

12:37:35 nubbins`: and projecting latent anger at his wife

12:40:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25750 @ 0.00035504 = 9.1423 BTC [+]

12:42:48 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell RagnarDanneskjol looks beautiful

12:42:48 gribble: The operation succeeded.

12:44:01 nubbins`: newspaper purchaser is AWOL

12:44:07 nubbins`: giving him 24h to pony up

12:46:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22200 @ 0.00035926 = 7.9756 BTC [+] {2}

13:16:57 nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/riot-torn-ferguson-s-distrust-of-police-flows-from-a-city-run-on-fines-1.2858208

13:16:58 assbot: Riot-torn Ferguson's distrust of police flows from a city run on fines - World - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/15ONEly )

13:55:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00036096 = 2.2019 BTC [+]

14:42:45 jurov: ben_vulpes mod6 http://thebitcoin.foundation (but the dns didn't propagate yet)

14:42:57 kakobrekla: lol

14:43:39 kakobrekla: taken without the 'the' ?

14:44:06 jurov: yes. everything bitcoin. and btc. taken (except btc.yt which is mine)

14:46:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2350 @ 0.00119998 = 2.82 BTC [+]

14:46:55 mod6: nice! i like btc.yt too, just because it's short.

14:47:40 jurov: when entlds started, i applied for some bitcoin.something but registrar considers it trademark

14:47:46 kakobrekla: bitcoin.hiv is free

14:47:47 jurov: *newtlds started

14:47:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 6276 @ 0.00119999 = 7.5311 BTC [+] {2}

14:48:28 jurov: they asked some documents to prove i'm owner, so i let it go

14:50:37 punkman: bitcoin.hiv should point to gavin-foundation

14:50:57 nubbins`: heh

14:51:13 jurov: anyone who has a registrar who doesn't give a fuck about trademarks, go ahead

14:51:33 nubbins`: incidentally, http://bitcoin.foundation

14:51:34 assbot: The No Bitcoin Foundation Page | We support the separation of Bitcoin and the Foundation ... ( http://bit.ly/12n3FN9 )

14:52:20 jurov: well, if we have someone with +9 diplomacy skill.. try to turn them over?

14:53:04 punkman: register bitcoin founation trademark, try to steal it?

14:53:26 jurov: what?

15:05:57 nubbins`: https://malialitman.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/white-woman-trayvon-martin.jpg

15:05:58 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ykyNdg )

15:08:30 davout: punkman: "bitcoin.hiv should point to gavin-foundation" <<< top kek

15:09:48 mod6: lel

15:11:01 BingoBoingo: <davout> punkman: "bitcoin.hiv should point to gavin-foundation" <<< top kek << Point to different scamsite every week.

15:16:32 punkman: "art installation"

15:16:43 punkman: foundation should fund it

15:19:21 BingoBoingo: Maybe load scamsite of the week in an iframe below a banner that says "Lol, cocks. HIV!"

15:19:56 punkman: could also host "Bitcoin HIV Awards"

15:21:11 BingoBoingo: Top Scam 2012 goes to Pirateat40

15:21:25 kakobrekla: hiv as Highly UnValuable

15:21:26 kakobrekla: ?

15:21:35 kakobrekla: eh

15:21:37 kakobrekla: that doesnt work lol

15:22:04 kakobrekla: i mean, it stands for something other than hiv no?

15:22:11 BingoBoingo: Maybe?

15:22:40 kakobrekla: InValuable is what i mean i guess

15:22:42 BingoBoingo: Harrowing InVestment scam?

15:22:50 jurov: https://tld.hiv/en

15:22:51 assbot: The .hiv domain – Your digital Red Ribbon | tld.hiv ... ( http://bit.ly/11U6zcj )

15:22:54 punkman: invaluable is a good thing

15:23:07 kakobrekla: is it?

15:23:28 jurov: yes, like priceless

15:23:44 kakobrekla: well fuck me then

15:24:10 *: jurov probes kakobrekla's orifices

15:24:21 kakobrekla: lol

15:24:31 kakobrekla: ill allow it this time.

15:24:52 punkman: you were asking for it

15:25:19 kakobrekla: if i say i didnt id admit to being raped

15:25:19 jurov: you'll like it :>

15:26:39 jurov: mircea_popescu knows when to walk on us in

15:26:42 jurov: ohai

15:27:15 mircea_popescu: lol hi ?

15:30:04 BingoBoingo: lol https://imgur.com/I36GOfL

15:30:06 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer ... ( http://bit.ly/1ykFCvf )

15:30:10 nubbins`: it's like inflammable

15:30:14 nubbins`: which means... flammable

15:30:19 kakobrekla: jurov do you know why trezor guys went with "m/44'/0'/0'/0/0"

15:30:55 punkman: because crazy

15:31:07 kakobrekla: hm?

15:31:15 jurov: ask slush or st|ck

15:31:34 jurov: they answer on #bitcoin.cz sometimes

15:31:56 kakobrekla: oki ty

15:32:05 jurov: and..care to explain why's that a problem?

15:32:55 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo what could possibly go wrong.

15:33:20 BingoBoingo: The fish get constipated?

15:33:53 kakobrekla: its not a problem.

15:35:18 BingoBoingo: Could be a big problem. Constipation is a leading killer of goldfish.

15:35:47 mircea_popescu: hm.

15:37:19 mircea_popescu: punkman dude srsly, where do i link to stuff.

15:37:28 mircea_popescu: how long is teh notary gonna be ded ?

15:38:30 mircea_popescu: cazalla: plowman has ample room for gardening, perhaps rabbits and even other livestock.. plowman is actually plowking! << we'll talk once your kid grows up a little. it's not about you. it's about the Vladimir Lenin All-Union Pioneer Organization.

15:40:36 punkman: mircea_popescu: hoping to get it back up by end of week

15:40:51 mircea_popescu: sooo after mah reporting ends ?

15:41:41 mircea_popescu: looky here : i can't pay teh foundation its tax because i can't link to a justificative document. wtf do i do now ?

15:43:58 punkman: link to logs :P

15:44:26 BingoBoingo: At least not only MPIF has problems http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-12-01/hedge-funds-see-worst-year-for-closures-since-2009.html

15:44:27 assbot: Hedge Funds Shut as Managers Struggle in Year of Two Percent Returns - Bloomberg ... ( http://bit.ly/1ykJtIQ )

15:44:32 mircea_popescu: text's not in there sadly.

15:46:15 mircea_popescu: jurov http://thebitcoin.foundation/ << got a signed copy of teh declaration thingee you can put up there ?

15:46:17 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ykJZq5 )

15:47:00 punkman: website can go back up if kakobrekla turns it on

15:47:03 BingoBoingo: Oh, look at the job ad on the side of the bloomberg article https://missionessential.csod.com/ats/careersite/JobDetails.aspx?id=14

15:47:06 assbot: Job Details - Empowering People: Mission Essential ... ( http://bit.ly/11UcEFG )

15:51:36 BingoBoingo: Also revisiting the why does AK need rails piece http://cdn1.cheaperthandirt.com/ctd_images/bgprod/7-G41026.jpg is a commercial product offered for sale

15:51:36 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ykL7dk )

15:53:28 mod6: <+mircea_popescu> jurov http://thebitcoin.foundation/ << got a signed copy of teh declaration thingee you can put up there ? << i've got a copy of mine with SHA512

15:53:29 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ykLRzl )

15:53:48 mircea_popescu: send it to j ?

15:54:49 mod6: jurov: http://dpaste.com/0GS2ZEQ

15:54:50 assbot: dpaste: 0GS2ZEQ ... ( http://bit.ly/1ykMdWD )

15:54:53 jurov: just send it to btc-dev mailing list

15:55:08 mod6: ok

15:55:10 jurov: will be a good testing sample for piling up the signatures

16:00:28 mod6: I sent it... hmm isn't showing up for me in the archive yet

16:01:34 jurov: invalid signature.. looks like our friend wordwrap

16:01:38 mod6: is it because it wasn't wrapped at 80 cols or whatever?

16:01:39 mod6: ok

16:01:40 mod6: yeah

16:01:43 mod6: f

16:01:56 mircea_popescu: !up kdomanski

16:01:57 mod6: lemme see if i can arm-wrestle with 'fing-gmail

16:02:43 mircea_popescu: all email gets 80 col wrapped, if the original isn't so wrapped you can't get it to ever verify.

16:02:47 mircea_popescu: mebbe send as attachment ?

16:03:24 jurov: http://btc.yt/declaration.asc

16:03:25 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/11UgZbS )

16:03:51 mod6: ok thanks Jurov

16:03:51 jurov: http://btc.yt/mailman/listinfo/btc-dev << mod6 read carefully

16:03:53 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/11Uh6nQ )

16:04:33 mod6: *nod* sorry, forgot that the orig wasn't wrapped.

16:05:31 jurov: yes, there are ways how to avoid problems described

16:06:41 jurov: lol i realized the foundation's activity last month can be best described as "DNS scavenging"

16:06:48 mircea_popescu: lol

16:08:08 BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2014/12/justice-departments-subpoena-to-theymos-of-bitcointalk/

16:08:08 assbot: Justice Department's Subpoena to Theymos of Bitcointalk | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/11Ui5EE )

16:12:11 mircea_popescu: ;;seen badon

16:12:11 gribble: badon was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 2 hours, 14 minutes, and 31 seconds ago: <badon> Yes, I'm doing that now.

16:12:25 mircea_popescu: this barrier to entry :D

16:13:05 mircea_popescu: it's like the good days of the 90s all over again. "oh, you don't have a computer at home ? THEN YOU CANT PLAY WITH US!"

16:13:24 mircea_popescu: "but but but... i have an atari ?"

16:13:26 mircea_popescu: "bwahahahhhaha"

16:15:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00035738 = 3.7168 BTC [-]

16:15:20 mod6: ok: http://f9beb4d9.org/ml/btc-dev/2014-December/000021.html

16:15:22 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/11Uk5gc )

16:16:02 mircea_popescu: danke!

16:16:11 mod6: np :]

16:16:29 BingoBoingo: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2o5tbg/open_letter_to_gaw_miners_and_josh/

16:16:31 assbot: Open Letter to GAW Miners and Josh : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/11UkoHZ )

16:19:37 BingoBoingo: ^ Guy bought a lot of GAW stuff, now pissed

16:19:58 mircea_popescu: "You have said that you want Paycoin to take over bitcoin a coin that you said you dont believe in"

16:19:59 mircea_popescu: ahaha

16:20:09 jurov: oh mod6 i forgot to suggest to send it as "patch" so that people can just add signatures.. nm, i'll add it there somehow

16:20:26 mircea_popescu: dude such typical scammer behaviour. "set an impossible goal for your ponzi scheme, at least the chumps can then pretend they failed doing something important"

16:21:31 mircea_popescu: here's a newsflash : idiots defrauded by garza haven't "lost their money trying to take over bitcoin" anymore than the idiots defrauded by buterin & the us propaganda machine through the etherium scam have lost their money "trying to take over bitcoin"

16:21:45 mircea_popescu: you weren't in any sense and at any point trying to "take over bitcoin", or anything else for that matter.

16:22:26 mircea_popescu: you just... gave a scammer... some of your money. because you're stupid. whole story.

16:22:43 danielpbarron: what's the deal with ethereum going to counterparty? I'm curious as to how your short contracts will play out..

16:23:11 mircea_popescu: you mean my short contracts that NOBODY ABSOLUTELY bought ?

16:23:22 danielpbarron: oh i thought one guy did

16:23:23 mircea_popescu: for the reason that you know, nobody absolutely had any ethereum in the first place ?

16:23:25 mircea_popescu: nope.

16:23:44 mircea_popescu: people are internet-interested, which is to say, up until that point when the wallet has to come out.

16:24:02 BingoBoingo: http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_world_/2014/12/02/yoan_moncada_is_it_now_legal_for_cuban_ballplayers_to_leave_their_country.html << US office of foreign assets control now impounds and reviews... Baseball players before import

16:24:03 assbot: Yoan Moncada: Is It Now Legal for Cuban Ballplayers to Leave Their Country and Join the Major Leagues? ... ( http://bit.ly/11Umqrp )

16:25:56 mod6: jurov: nice work on your Nov. statement btw. ty!

16:38:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44050 @ 0.0003575 = 15.7479 BTC [+] {2}

16:49:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16750 @ 0.00034967 = 5.857 BTC [-] {2}

16:55:10 jurov: heh i never imagined myself being a beancounter

17:01:29 davout: jurov: you're turning jew

17:01:59 jurov: oh my... even had circumcision

17:02:33 BingoBoingo: Save your self, run to the bacon and ham.

17:03:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44200 @ 0.00034299 = 15.1602 BTC [-] {3}

17:33:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13250 @ 0.00036096 = 4.7827 BTC [+]

17:56:32 Anduck: !up artifexd

17:56:34 Anduck: oops

17:56:36 Anduck: !up arij

17:56:46 Anduck: arij: you're voiced already

17:56:47 arij: thank you

17:57:35 arij: can some one please point me in the direction of whoever maintains bitcoin-assets.com?

17:57:47 Anduck: i'd guess mircea_popescu

17:57:49 Anduck: or kakobrekla

17:57:49 nubbins`: maybe kakobrekla

17:58:05 nubbins`: various people are in charge of the subdomains

17:58:28 BingoBoingo: kakobrekla runs the main site

17:58:36 nubbins`: WHY DO YOU ASK

17:58:37 arij: thank you

17:58:41 Anduck: why is deeds down?

17:58:50 Anduck: nubbins`: ^ ansawh me

17:59:01 Anduck: you should know !

17:59:09 arij: i wanted to offer hosting on behalf of bitvps for a mirror, or whatever else bitcoin-assets may need

17:59:09 Anduck: who runs deeds anyway?

17:59:18 nubbins`: punkman

17:59:20 kakobrekla: deeds is punkman, search is mthreat the rest is me

17:59:22 nubbins`: and i guess it's having issues

17:59:29 Anduck: what kind of issues

17:59:32 nubbins`: it seems to come and go

17:59:34 arij: hey kakobrekla, pm?

17:59:36 nubbins`: work in progress i guess

17:59:42 kakobrekla: sure

18:00:01 nubbins`: arij doing his part for la serenissima

18:01:06 rithm: nubbins`, i finally bought a mtte and fram for that print

18:01:08 rithm: !

18:01:18 nubbins`: right on!

18:01:31 rithm: i'll send you a pic once it's hung in the studio

18:01:35 nubbins`: some kid named johnny cowabunga bought the rights to use it for an album cover :0

18:01:42 rithm: nice

18:01:49 nubbins`: heh yep

18:01:51 rithm: it's perfect hanging in a music studio then

18:02:09 nubbins`: http://secreteast.ca/2014/10/secret-east-tv-a-night-in-with-jonny-the-cowabungas-a-night-in-live-sessions-episode-2/

18:02:11 assbot: Secret East TV: A Night In With Jonny & The Cowabungas (A Night In Sessions Ep. 2) | Secret East ... ( http://bit.ly/1I0xyE4 )

18:02:14 rithm: i bought the frame and matte for my heisenberg woodcut too

18:02:22 rithm: a bright orange thick matte

18:02:30 rithm: and ornate black wooden frame

18:03:47 nubbins`: woodcuts are nice

18:03:59 rithm: actually it was linoleum

18:04:08 rithm: iirc

18:04:14 rithm: heavy stock though

18:04:23 rithm: 2013 bitcoin black friday 1 of 19

18:06:04 rithm: http://www.prinnnt.com/collections/posters/products/walter-by-tucker-schreiber

18:06:05 assbot: Walter Relief Print by Tucker Schreiber ... ( http://bit.ly/1I0yuIw )

18:06:08 rithm: maybe on 9 of em

18:15:07 BingoBoingo: !up jborkl

18:18:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5024 @ 0.00021 = 1.055 BTC [+] {2}

18:31:08 nubbins`: that's really nice

18:32:11 kakobrekla: !up arij

18:37:06 jborkl: Hello

18:37:23 jborkl: thanks to the ddos bot, real mature

18:37:44 nubbins`: there's a ddos bot?

18:37:49 nubbins`: XD

18:40:48 jborkl: Any story behind all the SMPOE selling?

18:41:04 BingoBoingo: Not yet

18:42:03 nubbins`: !t m s.mpoe

18:42:04 assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00034204 / 0.00036449 / 0.00038342 (1070582 shares, 390.22 BTC), 7D: 0.00030027 / 0.00035376 / 0.00041472 (10731263 shares, 3,796.38 BTC), 30D: 0.00030027 / 0.00045549 / 0.00086038 (29859418 shares, 13,600.91 BTC)

18:42:11 nubbins`: dat 30d

18:42:40 jborkl: They were pushing hard, thats for sure

18:42:45 nubbins`: a better question is: any story behind S.MPOE > 0.8 ;D

19:12:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00035103 = 1.1935 BTC [-]

19:30:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55450 @ 0.00035777 = 19.8383 BTC [+] {2}

19:53:19 BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2014/12/new-york-dfs-publishes-all-bitlicense-comments/

19:53:20 assbot: New York DFS Publishes all Bitlicense Comments | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1ygeLS9 )

19:54:18 asciilifeform: 'Thank you folks for your work and I do apologize for the likely barrage of angry and childish emails I suspect you may already be receiving. The concept has attracted a couple of groups who can't accept playing by anyone's rules but their own.'

19:54:20 asciilifeform: ^ lol!

19:54:35 asciilifeform: (first comment)

19:54:48 asciilifeform: 'how the world works!'

19:54:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12150 @ 0.00036155 = 4.3928 BTC [+] {2}

19:57:53 asciilifeform: a large number appear to be identical.

19:57:59 asciilifeform: 'river of meat' campaign ?

19:58:02 BingoBoingo: Many lols indeed, but I really dun want to test the limits of how far a blockquote tage can be stretched...

19:59:19 asciilifeform: not readable on account of meat puppets.

19:59:20 asciilifeform: try it.

19:59:40 asciilifeform: somebody (does anyone give a shit?) could crawl the thing and deduplicate.

20:27:09 TomServo: I seem to recall someone publishing a form letter to be sent to Lawlsky; I wouldn't be surprised by tons of dupes.

20:39:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32634 @ 0.00036165 = 11.8021 BTC [+]

20:43:22 asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/GkSO4PZ << for BingoBoingo, other jungle men

20:43:24 assbot: thermocouple - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/12vuTlI )

20:47:21 asciilifeform: http://islandbreath.blogspot.com/2011/05/tyranny-of-temporary.html << crackpot article with better photo of above

20:47:22 assbot: Ea O Ka Aina: The Tyranny of the Temporary ... ( http://bit.ly/12vw4lm )

20:47:40 asciilifeform: these were pre-peltierjunction devices. dissimilar metals / seebeck's effect.

20:48:26 asciilifeform: greer's article is not entirely wrong that ancient egyptian tinsmith could have built it, if he knew how and had a reason.

20:55:19 undata: oh linux configuration management tools, the wrong solution to the wrong problem...

20:55:35 undata: burn it to the ground; this field can't be saved

21:01:19 asciilifeform: for serious thermocouple folks: http://www.neazoi.com/technology/thermocouple.htm

21:01:20 assbot: neazoi ... ( http://bit.ly/1yhxh7Z )

21:14:12 BingoBoingo: Beautiful

21:19:21 BingoBoingo: tap natural gas storage salt dome, build tower of fire, power miners in hedgehog

21:19:44 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: terrible waste

21:19:59 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you'd make more from selling the fuel.

21:20:02 BingoBoingo: Sure, for whoever put the gas there

21:20:14 asciilifeform: this is more of a shortwavecoin apocalypse gizmo.

21:21:31 BingoBoingo: But if you want to broadcast, same solution... tower of fire

21:21:55 asciilifeform: tower of fire << for smoke signals - sure

21:22:15 asciilifeform: for thermocouples - you want more of a potbelly stove, with long chimney

21:24:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33150 @ 0.00036861 = 12.2194 BTC [+] {2}

21:24:37 BingoBoingo: Ah

21:24:45 undata: asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: terrible waste << yes but tower of fire

21:28:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22300 @ 0.00036896 = 8.2278 BTC [+] {2}

21:28:35 BingoBoingo: Tower of fire can have a standalone purpose. Making the orc fear that scarier orcs reside at the base

21:31:41 BingoBoingo: http://it.slashdot.org/story/14/12/03/1759238/twitter-should-use-random-sample-voting-for-abuse-reports << Person encourages twitter to go to a still darker side

21:31:43 assbot: Twitter Should Use Random Sample Voting For Abuse Reports - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1yguGQp )

21:32:34 undata: BingoBoingo: that's clever, get the peasants to silence each other

21:33:20 BingoBoingo: Or they silence anyone interesting, which happens appallingly often enough already

21:33:48 asciilifeform: if interesting, get the fuck out of kolkhoz ('twitter', arsebook, etc.) and on real www

21:35:18 BingoBoingo: Thing was moderately interesting as RSS for dummies, but...

21:36:07 BingoBoingo: Much in the way Facebook was addressbook for dummies

21:37:34 BingoBoingo: But then they moved so far from that... I mean when facebook changed everyone's email address, insufficient people revolted

21:41:43 BingoBoingo: Now the entire internet from 1999 on needs to be tossed to fix the problem

21:41:54 asciilifeform: !?

21:43:11 undata: rss is still working just fine for me

21:43:30 BingoBoingo: What was wrong with excite.com and yahoo as a phone book?

21:43:50 undata: if we're hitting reset on things, can I have a computer too?

21:44:08 asciilifeform: phone book ?

21:45:03 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Sure you know. Just a dumb directory, except hypertext instead of the cheapest dead trees

21:45:51 undata: on this alt-history internet, can we have a lisp instead of JS?

21:46:46 BingoBoingo: Why not?

21:46:52 asciilifeform: directory of what, and by whom ?

21:46:55 dignork: Lovely - Amazon tries to keep out of bitlicense: http://www.dfs.ny.gov/legal/vcrf_0500/20141020%20VC%20Proposed%20Reg%20Comment%20139%20-%20Amazon.pdf

21:46:57 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ygxGfS )

21:47:26 asciilifeform: i propose now a new and improved tax for usg: the -shitlicense-.

21:47:44 asciilifeform: no one may take a shit without paying. per gram.

21:48:18 asciilifeform: considerably easier to collect than 'bitlicense'

21:48:22 undata: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aq-G4HATiC8

21:48:24 assbot: TSA Eric Cartman "Toilet Safety Administration" Gerald Broflovski - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ygxQ6V )

21:48:28 asciilifeform: you read it here phirst (tm)

21:48:48 assbot: Last 6 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3AKGKTW.txt )

21:48:48 BingoBoingo: !b 6

21:52:02 undata: this blackjack and hookers browser has no DOM, no filthy CSS

21:52:10 undata: you get a canvas

21:52:52 asciilifeform: undata: the whole concept of 'web browser' is ultimately braindamaged. see one of my articles - http://www.loper-os.org/?p=309

21:52:54 assbot: Loper OS » No Formats, no Format Wars. ... ( http://bit.ly/11VMIcS )

21:56:17 undata: asciilifeform: "It’s maybe what happens when physicists decide to play with computers, I’m not sure." << hear hear

21:56:41 undata: then we try to bastardize the thing into an actual programming environment

21:56:57 undata: I'm over here hacking clojurescript pretending my hardest that there isn't a browser underneath

21:56:59 BingoBoingo: Alternate history internet wish, dominant ircd fork is named arseC, name stick for the protocol

21:59:03 undata: asciilifeform: he mentions X; I've pondered coming up with a little protocol to talk to a canvas tag with

21:59:50 asciilifeform: canvas tag?

21:59:55 asciilifeform: do i even want to know.

22:01:16 BingoBoingo: No, you don't

22:02:49 undata: asciilifeform: a box you can either draw in 2D upon, or stick webgl in

22:02:50 asciilifeform: an 'html5'-ism ?

22:03:15 undata: I suppose, though the DOM isn't relevant within it

22:04:05 asciilifeform: reminds me of something i wrote once: a kind of simple 'lisp machine' in 'adobe flash' bytecode. never published, because realized that the whole idea is braindamaged and will encourage further braindamage if anyone were to use it

22:05:05 undata: asciilifeform: haha, clojurescript is a clojure -> JS compiler

22:05:25 undata: abstractions atop abstractions atop ...

22:06:25 undata: asciilifeform: you mentioned whether browsers are simply tools to accumulate "market share"

22:06:26 asciilifeform: afaik there is still no www browser that correctly implements the whole pile of shit as an invariant

22:06:36 undata: I'm starting to see Google Chrome as a trojan

22:06:41 undata: for their OS

22:06:45 asciilifeform: that is, with a hard guarantee of no deviation whatsoever between versions and platforms

22:06:48 undata: every release adds more "OS" stuff

22:06:50 asciilifeform: not one pixel's worth

22:06:53 jurov: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: you'd make more from selling the fuel. <<< you know UAE does not export much natural gas, just uses it to desalinate water...

22:07:06 jurov: ... for desert ariculture

22:07:24 undata: asciilifeform: seems like there's just far too much spec for that to happen

22:08:21 asciilifeform: folks who write spec often forget that a spec is a cheque that someone's pair of hands needs to cash

22:08:52 asciilifeform: or it's empty words.

22:10:06 asciilifeform: http://arrdem.com/2014/11/28/the_future_of_the_lispm << unrelated mega-lol

22:10:07 assbot: The Future of the LispM · f $ [T, T] → T ... ( http://bit.ly/1ygzCFa )

22:10:59 asciilifeform: author says he wrote it for me to trololol over but i'm merely bored.

22:11:29 asciilifeform: if he's in here, let him speak up!

22:11:31 joecool: so sensational

22:12:13 asciilifeform: (no one bothered to tell me about the piece, i ran into it by sheer accident.)

22:12:32 asciilifeform: possibly author assumed that i read whatever snakepit he linked to it in.

22:16:41 asciilifeform: snore.

22:17:02 undata: I was anticipating the clojure plug about halfway in

22:18:07 asciilifeform: 'figuring out rocket engines is hard work. let's pile more bricks on this here tower of babel. so what if it's already prolapsed in ten thousand places. more bricks, more chairs, old cars, corpses of slaves. big enough river of meat - we shall go to victory. come join my river of meat.' -- summary of this and 100+ similarly idiotic answers to my articles.

22:18:28 undata: asciilifeform: somebody has to organize it, and fund it

22:18:34 undata: otherwise, shit pile

22:18:57 asciilifeform: if >1 head - shitpile.

22:19:06 asciilifeform: i stand by this.

22:19:17 undata: yeah, I can see that

22:19:37 asciilifeform: in practice, a handful of people can be involved, but result must be a 1-head item.

22:19:38 undata: can one person create a mass-producible lisp machine, the OS, etc?

22:19:44 asciilifeform: sure.

22:19:53 asciilifeform: chuck moore did this with forth.

22:21:07 asciilifeform: the trick is to realize how many of the 'mandatory' features are actually anything but.

22:21:54 asciilifeform: required reading: http://doc.cat-v.org/bell_labs/utah2000/utah2000.html

22:21:55 assbot: Systems Software Research is Irrelevant (aka utah2000 or utah2k) ... ( http://bit.ly/1ygACcp )

22:22:04 asciilifeform: see the 'standards' section. then - take a piss on it.

22:22:30 asciilifeform: burn it all.

22:22:36 asciilifeform: year zero, motherfuckers.

22:25:57 undata: asciilifeform: as I've learned lisp, I've started to wonder why there's anything else in the higher-level language space

22:26:06 undata: but I'm not yet qualified to express that opinion

22:26:27 asciilifeform: because plagiarism and pious fraud works better with serial numbers filed off.

22:26:44 undata: asciilifeform: vaguely lispy functional programming stuff in python, etc

22:27:23 asciilifeform: also because there are armies of imbeciles (and their herders) who 'must stay relevant!' at whatever cost.

22:28:39 asciilifeform: see, e.g, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=516 , http://www.loper-os.org/?p=388 , http://www.loper-os.org/?p=401 , http://www.loper-os.org/?p=849

22:28:40 assbot: Loper OS » Roman Lisp ... ( http://bit.ly/1ygB2PX )

22:28:42 assbot: Loper OS » Steam Lisp ... ( http://bit.ly/1ygB5uY )

22:28:44 assbot: Loper OS » Of Lisp Macros and Washing Machines ... ( http://bit.ly/1ygB5v4 )

22:28:45 assbot: Loper OS » The curious incident of the Lisp in the night-time ... ( http://bit.ly/1ygB5vc )

22:34:36 mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats

22:34:37 gribble: Current Blocks: 332752 | Current Difficulty: 4.000747027127126E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 334655 | Next Difficulty In: 1903 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 weeks, 1 day, 23 hours, 47 minutes, and 53 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 32967993286.3 | Estimated Percent Change: -17.59541

22:34:44 mircea_popescu: wouldja look at that.

22:35:37 mike_c: don't get too excited. gribble's a little dumb with the estimates

22:36:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7307 @ 0.00036524 = 2.6688 BTC [-]

22:36:56 undata: asciilifeform: oh dear, yet more to suggest that nobody in this "economy" can think

22:37:03 undata: and by the way, I have enjoyed reading your blog.

22:38:02 asciilifeform: undata: glad you enjoyed. i think there may even be one or two people in #b-a who ended up here on account of it.

22:38:12 undata: what I am trying to do in my own work is at least write lisp as the primary thing from which I derive the braindead shitpile

22:38:13 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> author says he wrote it for me to trololol over but i'm merely bored. << If it still exists perhaps ship him his Lisp environment of the future.

22:38:46 BingoBoingo: The one in Adobe Flash bytecode

22:38:59 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: dafuq's the point

22:39:32 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Can the trollolol of having done his exercise already not be point enough?

22:39:43 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: see, the thing about braindamage is that there is always one answer that costs nothing:

22:39:50 asciilifeform: !s nonparticipation

22:39:51 assbot: 6 results for 'nonparticipation' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=nonparticipation

22:40:05 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2014#774690

22:40:05 assbot: Logged on 28-07-2014 19:19:31; asciilifeform: 'Learn not to participate - to the point of utter impossibility of meeting the enemy 'half-way' - and you will see that inside there lay a very useful mindfuck: in learning to 'nonparticipate,' in fact you drew out your *will* from its scabbard - to which it seemed so securely riveted by your upbringing. The appearance of *your will* changes everything and forever. With your own will slipped into your

22:40:33 *: undata must sing for his supper, and therefore must participate

22:41:19 asciilifeform: idea is, roughly, 1) to avoid the kinds of participation that can be avoided; and, 2) try to expand the set in (1).

22:43:46 asciilifeform: now, observation: what kind of existing-computing-infrastructure project -is- worth participating in? (voluntarily, rather than because of starvation)

22:43:56 asciilifeform: answer: the kind that -removes- chairs from the babel pile.

22:44:40 asciilifeform: because the larger the pile, the more otherwise-reasonable folks say 'you cannot build a rationally built structure as tall as this pile, as glorious, without using old chairs and dead squirrels'

22:45:22 BingoBoingo: !up markedathome

22:45:31 asciilifeform: so, the bitcoind cleanup thing is conceivably useful, because end result could be the book i asked for, and a year or so from now i (or someone else) can read it, and build rational design.

22:46:44 BingoBoingo: To pass the time until cheap chicom memresistors?

22:47:07 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo is quite mistaken in his picture of the missing parts.

22:47:32 asciilifeform: can't speak for others, but the thing i personally lack is - elementarily - time.

22:48:08 BingoBoingo: I thought it was sufficiently endowed rocket to enable time and a Yurt.

22:48:19 asciilifeform: well yes.

22:48:40 undata: asciilifeform: 1) sell cardano 2) get rich 3) fix computing

22:49:42 asciilifeform: i'm thick in (1) but 2, 3 are quasi-mythical dream.

22:51:01 asciilifeform: even if everyone suddenly desires to buy one, i half expect to be killed somewhere on the road between 1 and 2.

22:51:33 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-romanian-language-for-other-people/

22:51:34 assbot: The Romanian language for other people. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ygCUbw )

22:51:38 mircea_popescu: .1 BTC prize involved.

22:53:10 mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> some kid named johnny cowabunga bought << nfw ?!

22:54:24 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> 'Thank you folks for your work and I do apologize for the likely barrage of angry and childish emails I suspect you may already be receiving. The concept has attracted a couple of groups who can't accept playing by anyone's rules but their own.' << exactly fucking right.

22:56:56 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> greer's article is not entirely wrong that ancient egyptian tinsmith could have built it, if he knew how and had a reason. <<< electroplating was the reason, and the tech was in fact used in all likelihood in the golden crescent cca 1500bc.

22:57:17 asciilifeform: i thought everyone knew this (at least, the hypothesis)

22:57:20 asciilifeform: !s egyptian battery

22:57:20 assbot: 0 results for 'egyptian battery' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=egyptian+battery

22:57:25 asciilifeform: damn.

22:57:43 mats_cd03: hi butties

22:57:50 mats_cd03: how are we all doing tonight

22:57:50 asciilifeform: iirc, archaeologists were still holding pissing matches over it.

22:58:18 asciilifeform: ordinary chemical pile, though, based on certain finds

22:58:22 BingoBoingo: Someone graduated from Preet's stable https://twitter.com/FlitterOnFraud/status/540277211400392704

22:58:23 assbot: You heard it here first: Lead prosecutor on U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara's London Whale cases is going to prominent defense firm.

22:59:00 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> considerably easier to collect than 'bitlicense' <<< lol what, vespasian v2.0 ?

22:59:08 asciilifeform: !s urinetown

22:59:09 assbot: 3 results for 'urinetown' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=urinetown

22:59:09 adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-12-2014#944222 [citation needed]

22:59:09 assbot: Logged on 03-12-2014 22:56:56; mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> greer's article is not entirely wrong that ancient egyptian tinsmith could have built it, if he knew how and had a reason. <<< electroplating was the reason, and the tech was in fact used in all likelihood in the golden crescent cca 1500bc.

22:59:34 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo what else was he going to do you know ?

22:59:51 mats_cd03: mircea_popescu: looks like you're planning future work for ro translations of fraudsters stuff huh?

22:59:53 mircea_popescu: kinda how it goes, pretend like you're a tough ass prosecutor for a few years, get a juicy private practice contract.

22:59:57 asciilifeform: http://www.iranchamber.com/history/articles/parthian_battery.php

22:59:58 assbot: Iran Chamber Society: History of Iran: Parthian Battery (Ancient Iranians, The Inventors of Battery) ... ( http://bit.ly/1FNUm61 )

23:00:00 mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 playing with things.

23:00:19 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Challenge Preet in single's combat to take over as Bezzel Arbiter for Manhattan

23:00:27 mircea_popescu: noty.

23:00:56 mircea_popescu: this is not like saying "go on a blind date with an unqualified woman", but like saying "take a random dude as a slave 5.8mn times"

23:01:01 mircea_popescu: i'd rather drink bleach.

23:01:22 asciilifeform: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Baghdad_battery << the mega-skeptics chime in

23:01:23 assbot: Baghdad battery - RationalWiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1FNUGBT )

23:01:38 *: adlai wonders how sassanid scientists discovered this effect

23:01:48 mircea_popescu: adlai you know how chloroform was discovered ?

23:02:01 adlai: wikipedia might

23:02:05 mircea_popescu: heh.

23:02:18 mircea_popescu: left handed derp broke some lab glass, passed out.

23:02:20 asciilifeform: the 'tingle' hypothesis suggests another likely use.

23:02:32 asciilifeform: did original artifact contain a cock-sized orifice ?

23:02:37 *: BingoBoingo will wait a while before trying this translation challenge. Suspects the subtext is the girl is Andy after Tyrone's empire collapses.

23:02:44 adlai: "660 000 tonnes per year, and about 90 % of emissions are natural" TIL

23:03:09 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo nah, the girl actually lives and breathes.

23:03:55 mircea_popescu: ", and no ancient electroplated artifacts have been identfied." << bs.

23:04:08 BingoBoingo: Ah, I thought maybe whoever conquered Tyrone took the women and left the dick girl.

23:04:46 asciilifeform: electroplated artifacts << since found ?

23:05:10 adlai: mircea_popescu: facts don't check out, but 'the story is true': "Chloroform was discovered by accident in 1831 when eccentric American chemist Dr Samuel Guthrie mixed hen house disinfectant with whisky." - http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/science/thematerialworld_20050728.shtml

23:05:11 assbot: BBC - Radio 4 - The Material World 07/04/2005 ... ( http://bit.ly/1FNV837 )

23:05:52 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's a lot of fucking debate as to whether 1000s of individual pieces are or are not electroplatred.

23:06:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29041 @ 0.0003618 = 10.507 BTC [-]

23:06:07 mircea_popescu: pretending like "no X were found" is, you know, whatevs.

23:06:12 asciilifeform: last i recall, they assume 'electroless' plating and rest.

23:06:17 *: adlai likes the speculation that artifacts throught to be gold are just electroplated

23:06:36 mircea_popescu: right right.

23:06:37 asciilifeform: now, if you find an item that could only have been plated electrically - then.

23:06:49 mircea_popescu: but i don't happen to favour that sort of standard of evidence.

23:06:56 asciilifeform: incas, in particular, were rather handy with electroless plating.

23:06:56 BingoBoingo: OMG eletroplating doubters are like intermediate species doubters

23:06:57 mircea_popescu: im not in the business of proving to a bunch of idiots that they're wrong.

23:07:01 asciilifeform: arguably this got them killed.

23:07:06 mircea_popescu: im in the business of trying to form an idea of wtf happened.

23:08:06 asciilifeform: (how did conquistadors get the idea of massive inca gold? easy - shown outlandish heaps of 'gold' junk. which was in fact plated.)

23:09:08 mircea_popescu: el dorado you mean ?

23:09:19 asciilifeform: aha.

23:09:21 mircea_popescu: you know dorado means GILT not golden right ?

23:09:28 asciilifeform: right

23:09:36 asciilifeform: the gilded [place]

23:09:36 BingoBoingo: More on how the US treats informants http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/may/09/underwear-bomber-working-for-cia

23:09:38 assbot: 'Underwear bomber' was working for the CIA | World news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1FNVMNX )

23:09:44 mircea_popescu: ahahaha

23:10:10 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so i'd posit it has nothing to do with gold, olr with "gems" which they claimed the streets are paved with (most of which - obsydian).

23:10:27 asciilifeform: inception of the notion - nothing to do with anything but the usual avarice

23:10:30 mircea_popescu: it has everything to do with wanting to motivate euros to get the fuck there, much like the wild stories propping up the south sea bubble

23:10:35 mircea_popescu: exactly.

23:10:44 BingoBoingo: Turns out underwear bomber was likely very cooperative because he thought the CIA would bring the FBI in on this whole informant thing.

23:10:49 asciilifeform: but massive piles of possibly-gold kept it going long past expiration date.

23:11:08 mircea_popescu: the ways common psychology works, the ways people motivate themselves to do things they'll do anyway...

23:11:27 mircea_popescu: take woman with cock in her mouth. she's there because "the guy really respects her" right ? and "he has a great sense of humor" right ?

23:11:31 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: notice date on article. the only interesting aspect, arguably, is how the whole thing vanished neatly into 'the memory hole' without a trace.

23:11:34 mircea_popescu: not because cock fits quite well in her mouth.

23:11:48 mircea_popescu: just so, these dudes were going there because "el dorado", not because... whatever, empty space.

23:11:57 BingoBoingo: Oh shit!!! asciilifeform Fuck that was a while ago.

23:12:22 undata: however they've done this, bravo...

23:12:25 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: informants << ever read 'mother night' (k. vonnegut) ?

23:12:44 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: there is also, for the impatient, a mostly-passable film

23:12:57 BingoBoingo: Not yet. Need too. Will look tonight

23:13:16 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo remember that piracy is theft.

23:13:20 mircea_popescu: you wouldn't download a car

23:13:27 adlai: "The ‘batteries’ were among objects looted from the Iraqi National Museum in Baghdad during the invasion by the USA and its allies in 2003. It is not known where they are now or if they even still exist." http://www.badarchaeology.com/?page_id=208

23:13:29 assbot: The ‘batteries of Babylon’ | Bad Archaeology ... ( http://bit.ly/1FNWcUL )

23:13:37 asciilifeform: a stooge can have no possible guarantee of not being thrown into the woodchipper at whatever convenient later time by his patron.

23:13:57 BingoBoingo: Who said anything about downloading... It's probably in one of the piles of processed tree corpses in the garage.

23:14:00 asciilifeform: this is what makes him a stooge and not a partner.

23:14:43 mircea_popescu: oh check it out, the us warcrimes list includes wartime looting!

23:15:07 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://schoolsites.schoolworld.com/schools/Cheltenham/webpages/rwilman/files/kurt%20vonnegut%20-%20mother%20night.pdf

23:15:09 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FNWw5N )

23:15:10 mircea_popescu: such rogue state wow.

23:15:12 asciilifeform: ^ l33t w4r3z

23:16:36 undata: I'm still stuck on the CIA having given a bomb to a guy who boarded a plane

23:16:43 undata: this being public knowledge

23:17:03 asciilifeform: incidentally, the 'baghdad battery' is an example of a subject that is virtually impossible to research on the net - on account of it being a favourite of ten thousand kinds of prolix idiot, and consequently shunned by most thinking folks

23:17:16 asciilifeform: sorta like trying to get a sense of the lesser-known work of n. tesla.

23:17:33 asciilifeform: at least with him, a good bit of material survived

23:17:45 asciilifeform: and one can, if so inclined, read it

23:18:06 undata: this inversion of belief and reality...

23:18:34 asciilifeform: !s crank bait

23:18:35 assbot: 15 results for 'crank bait' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=crank+bait

23:18:40 asciilifeform: ^ full explanation.

23:20:00 asciilifeform: crank bait is normally factual material that blows 'official truth' out of the water, placed deliberately in the public domain.

23:20:17 adlai: ditto for studies on the objective and subjective effects of 'oiling' the thinking machine with various alkaloids, terpenoids, etc

23:20:32 asciilifeform: but in such a way that, by professing whatever belief in it, you write yourself out of 'polite society' permanently

23:20:58 asciilifeform: because you 'clearly do not know how the world works' or the like.

23:20:59 adlai: lots of interesting data, and orders of magnitude more nonsense obscuring it

23:21:11 asciilifeform: that's another thing altogether.

23:21:12 undata: what I'm stuck on is this: you can have a hole in the pentagon smaller than the wingspan of a plane

23:21:24 asciilifeform: ^ prime example of 'fda grade-A' crank bait.

23:21:35 undata: there must just be a class of people who are wholly programmable, who will ignore reality completely if told to do so

23:21:54 undata: a person who can do that is a danger to everyone

23:22:18 undata: there's a distinction there between one who can lie, and one who doesn't know it's a lie

23:22:21 asciilifeform: the hole was not a secret (not for long, anyway). but anyone of any note, who believed 'his lying eyes' and spoke out in public - is now written out of the script.

23:22:23 asciilifeform: permanently.

23:23:42 asciilifeform: this is among the sharpest and most-used tools in the reptilian toolkit.

23:23:45 asciilifeform: works great.

23:23:57 undata: this, that there's a script which is expected to precede that which my own eyes tell me

23:24:11 undata: the religion rootkit, whatever you want to call that

23:24:37 undata: what troubles me is whether that thing has a legitimate use, or whether there are particular humans that are irredeemably broken

23:25:17 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2014#481991

23:25:17 assbot: Logged on 05-02-2014 16:46:43; mircea_popescu: logo could be one of those mechanical vaginal pears they had cca 1600

23:25:32 asciilifeform: does 'the pear' have 'legitimate use' ? what kind of question even is that? matter of taste.

23:25:48 asciilifeform: fact is, if works, will be used.

23:27:03 ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> fact is, if works, will be used. << so much this

23:28:06 undata: "if works" << that's the whole point, isn't it?

23:28:10 undata: these do not work

23:29:44 asciilifeform: betcha that uterus-extractor works great.

23:29:51 mircea_popescu: <undata> I'm starting to see Google Chrome as a trojan << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=27-11-2014#936618

23:29:51 assbot: Logged on 27-11-2014 08:57:03; mircea_popescu: decimation: sign, google or apple, pick your poison <<< yeah, isn't chrome basically one of those spammy "toolbars" they had for netscape that sort-of mutated into being its own browser ?

23:30:46 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> because you 'clearly do not know how the world works' or the like. << a sword that cuts both ways.

23:31:14 mircea_popescu: <undata> what I'm stuck on is this: you can have a hole in the pentagon smaller than the wingspan of a plane << of course. why not ?

23:31:38 mircea_popescu: undata> there must just be a class of people who are wholly programmable, who will ignore reality completely if told to do so << yes. this class of people is called "women".

23:31:57 asciilifeform: or 'all the security cams just happened to fail that day. act of god. whatcha looking at.'

23:32:02 undata: mircea_popescu: dunno, I've met plenty without tits

23:32:24 mircea_popescu: "Then, God be bless'd, it is the blessed sun: but sun it is not, when you say it is not; and the moon changes even as your mind. What you will have it named, even that it is; and so it shall be so for Katharina."

23:32:33 mircea_popescu: tits aren't really required.

23:33:10 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't find it hard to believe us security sucks.

23:33:22 mircea_popescu: i know this from experience, so does anyone else in any way involved with any aspect thereof.

23:33:29 asciilifeform: such on day x, works great on x-1 and x+1, aha.

23:33:34 asciilifeform: *sucks on

23:33:41 mircea_popescu: eh it never worked great.

23:33:50 mircea_popescu: you ever saw asterix & obelix ?

23:33:56 asciilifeform: aha.

23:34:06 asciilifeform: when it wants to work - it works.

23:34:26 mircea_popescu: ever wondered how these dudes in their very distinctive gear manage to go in and out of the roman camp ?

23:34:45 asciilifeform: or, also example, the popular image of black-clothed 'ninja'

23:35:28 mircea_popescu: myeah.

23:35:29 asciilifeform: (in actuality - jp theatrical convention, actor in black is shorthand for 'not seen by the others' on stage)

23:36:07 mircea_popescu: right.

23:36:13 mircea_popescu: anyway, didn't some dude just walk into wh ?

23:36:17 undata: yep

23:36:18 mircea_popescu: after overpowering some chick ?

23:36:20 mircea_popescu: so then.

23:36:35 asciilifeform: walked in. didn't walk out with anyone's head.

23:36:37 mircea_popescu: the only reason obama doesn't get a glass shard through the eye is that nobody gives a shit about him and his eye

23:36:43 mircea_popescu: not that o noes, sekoority.

23:36:45 mircea_popescu: what security.

23:36:54 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform because he was just drunk.

23:36:59 asciilifeform: and into wh, filled with muppets, and not into [censored] full of [more-censored]

23:37:07 undata: doesn't this suggest followers which are too sure of "what is" are not good slaves at all?

23:37:11 undata: that was my meandering point above

23:37:21 mircea_popescu: undata there's a reason i dun want new york after all.

23:37:46 asciilifeform: undata: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-10-2014#856661 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-10-2014#856662

23:37:46 assbot: Logged on 03-10-2014 05:15:13; asciilifeform: 'Winston made another convulsive movement. This time he did not say anything. O'Brien continued as though answering a spoken objection: 'For certain purposes, of course, that is not true. When we navigate the ocean, or when we predict an eclipse, we often find it convenient to assume that the earth goes round the sun and that the stars are millions upon millions of kilometres away. But what of it? Do

23:37:46 assbot: Logged on 03-10-2014 05:15:13; asciilifeform: it is beyond us to produce a dual system of astronomy? The stars can be near or distant, according as we need them. Do you suppose our mathematicians are unequal to that? Have you forgotten doublethink?' '

23:39:11 danielpbarron: !up BlueMeanie4

23:39:23 undata: asciilifeform: so someone can surely be beaten into this state; what I'm asking is whether they don't become useless as a tool in that state

23:39:24 BlueMeanie4: greetings folks

23:39:25 asciilifeform: when some bozo walks a genuine master key out of ft. meade (and not opsec garbage) - i'll believe the 'poor security.'

23:39:35 danielpbarron: ;;rated BlueMeanie4

23:39:35 gribble: You rated user BlueMeanie4 on Sat Oct 18 13:17:40 2014, with a rating of -2, and supplied these additional notes: thinks the WoT should be more like an iPhone; http://twitter.com/BlueMeanie4.

23:40:04 BlueMeanie4: a

23:40:12 BlueMeanie4: haah

23:40:14 undata: If I have mastered 2+2=5, there are things completely out of my reach

23:40:15 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i doubt anyone much cares bout teh master key, but anyweay.

23:40:30 BlueMeanie4: Iphone ... as in trendy tracking device?

23:40:41 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: well, i'd enjoy reading, e.g., what the aes weak key class is.

23:40:50 danielpbarron: as in, "user friendly"

23:40:50 asciilifeform: or whether factoring is in p.

23:41:22 BlueMeanie4: ok so it should be un userfriendly?

23:41:25 undata: seems like even, especially, and most importantly 2+2=4 is out of reach

23:41:39 asciilifeform: or which mathemagicians, from what nations, went desaparecido for refusing an offer you can't refuse

23:41:58 mircea_popescu: seems more of a cosmo level interest.

23:42:04 mircea_popescu: "i wanna see kim's underboob"

23:42:09 asciilifeform: i did say 'enjoy' not 'need now'

23:42:24 asciilifeform: if needed this to eat, would've starved.

23:42:29 danielpbarron: BlueMeanie4, yes -- where "user" means average dummy

23:42:37 asciilifeform: which is precisely the point. none of these jewels ever left the vault.

23:42:55 asciilifeform: their security - worked.

23:42:56 BlueMeanie4: well that aint gonna get ya users now will it? ;)

23:43:12 undata: ^ llooooollll

23:43:28 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so why is this piece supposed to bother you ?

23:43:29 asciilifeform: (allowing also the possibility of copies residing in ru, cn vaults. but notice - their security, in that case, also - by inference - works.)

23:44:01 BlueMeanie4: 'here's our WOT- figger it out bitches!'

23:44:54 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> possibly author assumed that i read whatever snakepit he linked to it in. << more likely assumed you'll see it in your logs.

23:44:56 BingoBoingo: BlueMeanie4: Well, yes.

23:45:19 mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 i doubt anyone's much interested in "getting new users". what's wrong with new users getting us ?

23:45:43 BlueMeanie4: mkay

23:47:41 BingoBoingo: Anyone offering odds on whether New York gets riots tonight?

23:48:04 mircea_popescu: define riots.

23:48:19 undata: hood-shopping spree

23:48:20 BlueMeanie4: if they close KFC, yes

23:48:56 asciilifeform: Kakasoft Foundation Classes ?

23:49:14 BlueMeanie4: any Americans in the house?

23:49:37 BlueMeanie4: daniel can tell you what KFC is

23:49:50 asciilifeform: found it. recycled food restaurant.

23:49:51 undata: I bet he can.

23:50:30 BlueMeanie4: the whole thing is a massive media manipulation stunt, seems we get one every few months these days

23:50:41 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'm thinking something like "Do the right thing" trashcan through windows... prolly at least one good fire.

23:51:24 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: funny thing is, nyc probably sees the equivalent of five or six 'good riot' every night. just, not all in one street.

23:51:38 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo meh. more likely, a tweetmeet with some politicos trying to be all you know, talked about.

23:52:01 BingoBoingo: Ah, New York isn't a serious place like St Louis is.

23:52:28 BlueMeanie4: demographically practically different planets

23:52:42 mircea_popescu: reading this steam lispo thing, howdja get so cynical asciilifeform !

23:53:04 mircea_popescu: people aren't fundamentally evil, people are fundamentally stupid.

23:53:07 mircea_popescu: there IS a differece.

23:53:45 BlueMeanie4: personally, I think Russia has a hand in all this

23:53:48 BingoBoingo: Stupid is as evil does.

23:53:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27650 @ 0.00036823 = 10.1816 BTC [+]

23:53:54 BlueMeanie4: there's a clear agenda here

23:54:04 BlueMeanie4: and its not 'equality'

23:54:07 undata: BlueMeanie4: russia has a hand in what

23:54:23 BlueMeanie4: in engineering these problems

23:54:31 BlueMeanie4: there are plenty of black ppl who think all this is ridiculous

23:54:32 undata: ... what problems, the "riots"?

23:54:41 BlueMeanie4: you just dont hear from those ppl

23:55:17 BlueMeanie4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gc0bINh22Wc

23:55:18 assbot: Black Teen Tells Ferguson Commission "Darren Wilson Pretty Much Did His Job" - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FPCz0k )

23:55:20 BingoBoingo: BlueMeanie4: To be fair when the Despots on the UNHCR criticize your human rights record, there may be a problem http://qntra.net/2014/12/un-report-criticises-united-states-on-human-rights/

23:55:21 assbot: UN Report Criticizes United States on Human Rights | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1FPCBFl )

23:55:25 undata: are you kidding? these "riots" are the US version of the same festering problems you see anywhere people are rotting in socialist paradise

23:55:36 BlueMeanie4: the UNHCR was invented specifically for Palestinians

23:55:45 asciilifeform: there IS a differece << academic to the fellow sitting on the stake.

23:55:45 undata: there are similar barbarians in UK shitholes

23:55:51 BlueMeanie4: undata- for sure

23:55:55 BlueMeanie4: and there will be riots there too

23:56:13 BlueMeanie4: definitely tensions building up EDL, etc.

23:56:33 mircea_popescu: <BlueMeanie4> in engineering these problems << the agenda is, "send nuland to dance naked in teh lubyanka. we didn't think the ukraine posturing was funny."

23:56:48 BlueMeanie4: ukraine is perfect example dude

23:57:23 BlueMeanie4: i imagine as a Romanian you are not exactly keen on 'greater Russia'?

23:57:43 mircea_popescu: im not keen on any of the derpy "national sovereigns"

23:58:01 undata: these riots play directly into the US govts desire for ever stricter laws

23:58:13 undata: I don't see why the Russians have to be involved as boogeyman

23:58:16 mircea_popescu: undata stricter laws have a cost.

23:58:25 BlueMeanie4: i think personally they want to bring it to such high crisis level they can totally remake US govt.

23:58:36 undata: mircea_popescu: strategy being to have us strangle ourselves?

23:58:40 BlueMeanie4: the Russians I think are running this

23:58:42 mircea_popescu: here's a pop quiz : would you say the "stricter laws" past 2001 were to the detriment of al-quaeda or to its benefit ?

23:58:49 mircea_popescu: quite exactly that, yes.

23:58:49 undata: oh, to their benefit

23:58:52 mircea_popescu: working splendidly, too.

23:59:32 asciilifeform: people aren't fundamentally evil, people are fundamentally stupid << is the desire of homo redditicus to be 'relevant!1!!' - at any and all cost to his betters - 'evil' or 'stupid' ? and how does the difference matter?

23:59:43 asciilifeform: is cockroach 'evil' or 'stupid'? how about plague ?