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00:00:32 nubbins`: but i think in 6-12 months or so, you'll see it priced 3-4x current

00:01:02 ThickAsThieves: nubbins wants btct style options on mpex

00:01:07 ThickAsThieves: optionize all the things!

00:01:15 nubbins`: i don't think there's a market for it today, anyway

00:01:24 kakobrekla: buy shares then

00:01:27 nubbins`: thing all the things!

00:01:32 ThickAsThieves: :)

00:01:56 nubbins`: what makes you think i don't have any :D

00:02:30 ThickAsThieves: Altcoin is still waiting for its source code, though I'm wondering if we need to wait and can't just do it ourselves from the genesis block

00:02:30 kakobrekla: *moar

00:02:39 nubbins`: heh

00:02:59 ThickAsThieves: pankakke can you save Altcoin?

00:07:18 ThickAsThieves: also, did benkay ever sort an estimate for altgen.io?

00:11:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.131 = 0.262 BTC [-]

00:12:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC

00:13:28 benkay: a few months is the answer

00:13:34 benkay: for some of the parts

00:13:40 benkay: mp wants the moon, unsurprisingly.

00:13:54 kakobrekla: what is altgen io

00:13:57 ThickAsThieves: i see

00:14:08 ThickAsThieves: its coingen.io properly

00:14:56 benkay: the altcoin generation bit is pretty easily did and the exchange its own bundle o' giggles but there are performance considerations around running an arbitrary number of wallet watchers

00:15:53 ThickAsThieves: so it needs more people

00:16:43 benkay: ha

00:17:04 benkay: ever heard of the Mythical Man Month?

00:17:45 benkay: anyways

00:18:25 nubbins`: "surely if we divide this pizza into a thousand equal slices and gather a thousand men, it will be consumed quicker"

00:18:52 kakobrekla: so, bit4x just made a switch from dBTC to mBTC, which is 1:10 going to 1:1000, but i only feel 10 times richer

00:19:05 benkay: i can definitely arrange for btc to get burned. i don't think that's a sensible business plan, though.

00:19:37 ThickAsThieves: appreciated

00:20:50 dub: http://cheezburger.com/8013939200?ref=rightarrow&siteId=75

00:21:08 mircea_popescu: ?ref=rightarrow ? srsly ?

00:21:19 dub: srsly

00:22:14 kakobrekla: myea, correctarrow would be more appropriate

00:22:36 mircea_popescu: o look who's here

00:22:46 kakobrekla: for the time being

00:22:57 mircea_popescu: dude i looked at footage, what the fuck, there's been no snow. you got a little freezing rain.

00:23:04 mircea_popescu: you know that's boston EVERY WINTER

00:23:13 kakobrekla: nah, pics dont do it justice

00:23:16 mircea_popescu: slovenia scam emergency

00:23:24 kakobrekla: srsly, its tits up

00:23:29 mircea_popescu: srsly ?

00:23:37 kakobrekla: up to few cm of ice on _everything_

00:23:38 mircea_popescu: maybe that's just its natural position...

00:23:42 mircea_popescu: soooo ?

00:23:48 kakobrekla: like sight unseen

00:24:02 kakobrekla: it fucked all the trees

00:24:05 mircea_popescu: sight unseen maybe, but srsly, freezing rain is no emergency.

00:24:06 kakobrekla: all the power lines

00:24:10 mircea_popescu: well... they're trees. what are they there for.

00:24:20 nubbins`: after it gets to a certain thickness, it's an emergency

00:24:24 nubbins`: ice is HEAVY

00:24:24 kakobrekla: my house will be out of power for a week probably

00:24:31 kakobrekla: same for running water

00:24:33 mircea_popescu: if water stopped running btw,

00:24:37 ThickAsThieves: will it still have a rough?

00:24:38 mircea_popescu: expect 2-3 weeks till they fix all the pipes

00:24:39 ThickAsThieves: roof

00:24:41 ThickAsThieves: lol

00:24:52 ThickAsThieves: canine slip

00:25:01 mircea_popescu: that'd have been "a woof"

00:25:06 mircea_popescu: what you said is bdsmslip

00:25:17 ThickAsThieves: lol

00:25:41 mircea_popescu: meanwhile at bar, http://31.media.tumblr.com/098e51ac0c0c7ec3e7df2d02195e229e/tumblr_mhu879mk0V1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg

00:26:04 ThickAsThieves: lol, girls get so mad at girls

00:26:24 mircea_popescu: mhm.

00:26:27 nubbins`: meanwhile at heavily airbrushed face

00:26:27 deadweasel: look at her face! she's like "whut a slanka!"

00:26:37 mircea_popescu: "how dares she be sexually adventurous to a greater degree than me!!11"

00:26:57 deadweasel: who are these naked women in your bars?

00:27:03 deadweasel: why do I not have this bar?

00:27:09 mircea_popescu: nubbins` don't hate, some people have the misfortune of falling on a running millstone

00:27:23 mircea_popescu: deadweasel they're more like girls than women, really.

00:27:32 nubbins`: well ya know. maybe that look is pity rather than contempt, then

00:27:41 nubbins`: "poor mash-face has to get naked to be noticed"

00:27:43 mircea_popescu: take this one. nulliparous.

00:28:02 kakobrekla: http://img.rtvslo.si/_up/upload/2014/02/03/65072193_photo_375919_20140203_4.jpg

00:28:15 kakobrekla: http://img.rtvslo.si/_up/upload/2014/02/03/65072198_photo_375957_20140203_4.jpg

00:28:24 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla did the ice also cover all your vowels ?

00:28:31 mircea_popescu: or was the language like that to begin with.

00:28:57 kakobrekla: is like that in all weather

00:29:48 deadweasel: mircea_popescu: point taken, srs tho are you giving out btc for clothing?

00:29:53 mircea_popescu: wow pole actually fell over iceweight huh

00:29:56 kakobrekla: http://img.rtvslo.si/_up/upload/2014/02/03/65072200_photo_375962_20140203_4.jpg

00:30:02 mircea_popescu: deadweasel moar like bitcents.

00:30:03 kakobrekla: not 1, like 100

00:30:09 mircea_popescu: which i suppose is technically btc too...

00:30:25 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla so that's what, like 80-85% ?

00:30:25 deadweasel: it's good to be the king

00:30:36 deadweasel: i still make them get naked with nice cheap words.

00:30:46 deadweasel: less successfully tho, mind you

00:31:21 kakobrekla: less

00:31:32 kakobrekla: i dunno

00:31:41 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla anyway, great you're ok.

00:31:51 kakobrekla: theres about 1000 transformers damaged

00:32:00 deadweasel: holy shit, that's going to be a while...

00:32:10 dub: fucken global warming

00:32:20 nubbins`: dub, the climate isn't changing

00:32:21 mircea_popescu: yeah they got troubles. i was just making light of it because i'm an asshole in a tropical climate 70 miles away.

00:32:23 nubbins`: it's a lefty conspiracy

00:32:37 mircea_popescu: meanwhile back at finance ranch, http://fraudsters.com/2014/snsa-january-2014-statement/

00:32:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG.F] 1 @ 0.6 BTC [+]

00:32:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 3 @ 0.03400075 = 0.102 BTC [-] {2}

00:32:46 kakobrekla: its gonna take a year+ to fix all damage

00:32:52 kakobrekla: and years to clean up the forrests

00:32:57 mircea_popescu: nubbins` dun be telling dub it's a lefty conspiracy, he's been sayin' it since b4 you were boarn, son.

00:33:25 nubbins`: loony lefties

00:34:24 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla the snowdrops came out all over here.

00:34:39 kakobrekla: :)

00:36:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC

00:37:37 dub: having not followed cardano at all, any utility in it shipping with 'hardware' encrypted disk as a value add?

00:37:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20200 @ 0.0009347 = 18.8809 BTC [+]

00:37:48 asciilifeform: dub: elaborate

00:38:59 dub: bolt on some flash that can't be casually read without having whatever other requisite peice

00:39:35 dub: mp is a big fan of fde

00:39:44 asciilifeform: dub: if you recall, cardano presents as a disk. anything written to said disk is encrypted

00:39:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40023 @ 0.00092945 = 37.1994 BTC [-] {4}

00:39:53 dub: oh good

00:39:59 asciilifeform: (pulling the flash card gets you nothing)

00:40:45 mircea_popescu: well... in fact it DOES get you high quality entropy.

00:41:07 mircea_popescu: not as high as using the thing as intended, but still.

00:41:48 asciilifeform: i sorta wonder if anybody bothered to read the original spec

00:42:07 asciilifeform: what do people think cardano is. an electric saw?

00:42:15 dub: hardware rng

00:42:41 asciilifeform: rng is simply a part therein

00:42:48 asciilifeform: (two of them, to be exact)

00:43:06 deadweasel: can my electric saw have one of those neked bar girls attached?

00:43:39 Mats_cd03: ozbot is dead, long live ozbot

00:43:41 asciilifeform: if we only wanted to ship rng, we could've done so in november. to all of six customers, or somesuch.

00:43:46 deadweasel: .bait

00:44:06 ThickAsThieves: "Since it's a SHA-256 coin, this is an interesting one to follow because the same equipment can mine it." I love the folds of irony Altcoin brings

00:44:54 dub: was just an idle thought 'hey since I'm lugging it around anyway, 64g of storage with better-than-a-truecrypt-volume security might be nice'

00:45:38 herbijudlestoids: approx how many MPOE shares on issue mircea_popescu?

00:45:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] [PAID] 900.45241962 BTC to 500`000`000 shares, 180 satoshi per share

00:46:11 asciilifeform: dub: 'Mark I' Cardano is USB 1.1. if you're ok with ~200kB/sec on your flash drive, you can use it as such.

00:46:31 dub: ack, no thanks

00:46:45 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids no approx. 1 bn. it's in the contract.

00:46:53 asciilifeform: 'good/cheap/quick pick two'

00:46:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.131001 = 0.262 BTC [+]

00:47:17 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's possibly more rng customers than gpg customers imo

00:47:40 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves thick, lucscious, shimmering pink folds of goodness.

00:47:44 asciilifeform: funny that nobody is quick to help them.

00:48:37 dub: we're mostly only just learning how broken existing offers are tho rite?

00:48:42 mircea_popescu: two clowns in a restaurant

00:48:46 mircea_popescu: "does this taste funny to you ?"

00:48:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC

00:49:10 mircea_popescu: dub notrly, we're mostly just reading the guardian about how fucking exciting it is to be like at the guardian. also diets.

00:49:14 dub: the royal unwasher we're

00:49:17 dub: unwashed

00:49:24 nubbins`: guy walks into a bar and orders a glass of brake fluid. "brake fluid?", the barkeep asks.

00:49:36 nubbins`: "yeah, i'm addicted," the guy says, "but i can stop whenever i want"

00:49:39 asciilifeform: dub: there's maybe a dozen outfits selling dedicated rngs, of various cost and quality.

00:49:45 Mats_cd03: i have a brilliant idea for a bitcoin venture

00:49:56 Mats_cd03: and i'm giving it away for free

00:50:02 dub: ya - 8 Ways Your Sphincter Will Tighten When You Read This Amazing Conspirace

00:50:09 herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: so is my calculation as the P/E of MPOE to be ~55 correct?

00:50:11 Mats_cd03: read: bitcoin tontines

00:50:21 ThickAsThieves: anyone following the Open Transactions guy?

00:50:23 mircea_popescu: lol "royal unwasher", i chuckled.

00:50:25 ThickAsThieves: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teNzIFu5L70

00:50:33 nubbins`: Mats_cd03: funny thing about ideas...

00:50:35 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids sounds about right.

00:50:37 ThickAsThieves: i like how he's not smooth at all

00:50:51 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves very... zoomedoutedly so to speak.

00:51:01 deadweasel: Mats_cd03: just's watched the simpsons tontine episode?

00:51:27 Mats_cd03: deadweasel: no i was thinking about the double deuces episode in archer just now

00:51:52 Mats_cd03: but it looks like nubbins` is rite and i'm unoriginal

00:51:53 dub: they made more archer? rad

00:51:53 deadweasel: ah yes, forgot taht one.. those two episode made me laugh harder than I have in months

00:51:58 Mats_cd03: kill self

00:52:01 deadweasel: starts to fade at the third

00:52:02 ThickAsThieves: "i'm gonna make servers that you dont have to trust"

00:52:08 herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: and the div yield ~2.5%?

00:52:09 Mats_cd03: dub: there is also more archer... 3 eps out i belieb

00:52:15 deadweasel: tongiht is a new one!

00:52:29 mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=su-HUDo7XQ4

00:52:53 Mats_cd03: i wish i had friends that would put in for a tontine

00:53:07 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids something like that. depends on how exactly you calculate the reference price.

00:53:30 nubbins`: what was it, the flying hellfish or something?

00:53:40 deadweasel: how do you reveal your private key to the right person when you die? holy shit, we need bitcoin TRUST FUNDS...

00:53:48 herbijudlestoids: so based on those numbers i calculate the "market implied annual EPS growth rate" to be 86%

00:53:58 herbijudlestoids: (approx)

00:54:00 asciilifeform: one could conceivably implement it as a 'dead man's switch'

00:54:01 Mats_cd03: i imagine it would be in escrow

00:54:09 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids mind that you are calculating something over a very fastly changing curve.

00:54:14 deadweasel: ah yes, if you don't reply to the email after a month, it's sent out

00:54:17 mircea_popescu: something akin to "the average value of sin(x)"

00:54:27 asciilifeform: every year the participants put out crypto-signed whatever, if one doesn't, his share goes in the pot

00:54:45 dub: hardware dead man switch

00:54:46 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform once the space stabilizes some i expect tontines will actually work great.

00:54:52 mircea_popescu: very easy to run them transparently.

00:54:58 herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: which curve is fastly changing? the earnings?

00:55:03 Mats_cd03: that sounds like good fun, although i'd be worried about getting killed if this wasn't pseudonymous

00:55:14 dub: no heartbeat for 8 hours, upload key

00:55:17 Mats_cd03: but i suppose thats 99% of the fun amirite

00:55:41 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids many things. in jan last, there were ~7mn btc. now there's 12mn.

00:55:48 asciilifeform: a 'kinder, gentler' tontine, where you don't have to plug your rivals, just help them forget to check their mail

00:55:49 mircea_popescu: think... m3 changed by... 60% ? wow.

00:56:02 mircea_popescu: then there were like 3 major craters or so.

00:56:26 mircea_popescu: after pirate we had a 4 month freezeout which was the worst i ever saw, almost killed the s.dice ipo

00:56:31 mircea_popescu: it.was.bad.

00:56:36 herbijudlestoids: so how does that affect my calculation?

00:56:43 mircea_popescu: i don't think any current sovereign could survive such depression at all.

00:57:05 mircea_popescu: well... your calculation sits atop and intends to represent an economic reality. which is very fast chaning.

00:57:10 herbijudlestoids: basically all im saying is that if EPS is expected to grow ~86%p.a. then MPOE is a fair value investment, if less then its overvalued, if more then undervalued

00:57:31 mircea_popescu: "sin(x) is expected to be 0"

00:57:33 mircea_popescu: sure.

00:57:35 asciilifeform: well, to be fair, if the participants paid for food/housing with btc, there might've been an actual body count rather than simple whining

00:57:44 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform indeed.

00:57:51 ThickAsThieves: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teNzIFu5L70#t=647 at 10:44, lols

00:57:56 nubbins`: asciilifeform: there's always this year :D

00:58:03 mircea_popescu: yet again one of our major strengths turns out to have been what clueless noobs imagined is a weakness.

00:58:18 nubbins`: what i want to see is a major utility announce that they ONLY accept btc.

00:58:18 mircea_popescu: if btc had actual economic adherence in 2012-2013 we'd have been fucked with a capital CK

00:58:48 nubbins`: if it had adherence, maybe those events wouldn't have happened

00:58:59 nubbins`: did you even WATCH back to the future? ;(

00:59:18 mircea_popescu: nubbins` it's a flattering point, but i very much doubt it.

00:59:23 mircea_popescu: who knwos tho. alternative pasts.

00:59:28 Mats_cd03: utilities being for rich entities seeking modest, secure returns, i dont see that happening

00:59:33 asciilifeform: at some point we'll see the destitute and desperate sell their organs for a btc or two, to pay their meters. but not soon.

01:00:16 nubbins`: i never really viewed the wet parts trade as a thing where sellers sought buyers.

01:00:26 nubbins`: what do you do, hang around a hospital?

01:00:42 mircea_popescu: doh ?!

01:00:46 mircea_popescu: what do you think the chinese do /

01:00:58 mircea_popescu: they send recruiting teams in the poor farmland, give kids laptops take their kidneys.

01:01:01 mircea_popescu: it's grotesque.

01:01:09 nubbins`: well exactly

01:01:12 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the chinese famously hang around the town scaffold

01:01:13 nubbins`: buyers lead the trade

01:01:25 mircea_popescu: o i see what you meant.

01:01:29 dub: I thought they just pick a religion and use its practitioners

01:01:38 mircea_popescu: dub yeah but they ran out of religions meanwhile.

01:01:44 dub: witness falung gong

01:01:44 nubbins`: "who will buy my kidney" will attract nobody, because who wants the kidney of someone destitute enough to want to sell theirs?

01:01:50 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they're selling about 100k parts a year by the latest numbers i saw.

01:01:58 mircea_popescu: they're not executing 1k people a year

01:02:01 ThickAsThieves: <nubbins`> what i want to see is a major utility announce that they ONLY accept btc. <<<< i might add "design a 100% Pure Bitcoin seal design" to my todo list

01:02:11 asciilifeform: by one account, ~20k/yr

01:02:14 ThickAsThieves: need to promote the concept

01:02:15 nubbins`: design a design and thing all the things

01:02:18 dub: nubbins`: theres a market, supply/demand and all that jazz

01:02:21 ThickAsThieves: you know me!

01:02:28 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah well that's where things get debated.

01:02:34 nubbins`: dub: sure, but the person who wants the kidney goes out and finds one they like.

01:02:40 dub: no

01:02:44 nubbins`: they don't wait for some asshole to come to them

01:02:52 asciilifeform: odd that there is dispute. chinese executions are quite the opposite of secret.

01:02:58 asciilifeform: but perhaps nobody bothers to count

01:03:01 nubbins`: ^

01:03:22 Mats_cd03: 100k is incredibly low for 1.3bln

01:03:24 dub: harvesting facilities are in the jails ffs

01:03:35 nubbins`: sure, but again, that's not sellers seeking buyers

01:03:39 nubbins`: it's the opposite

01:03:45 nubbins`: buyers saying "you. right there."

01:03:47 dub: they have cought murican cosmetics companies red handed buying chinese skin derivatives

01:03:59 Mats_cd03: define skin derivatives

01:04:10 nubbins`: collagen sausage casings

01:04:13 dub: colagen

01:04:17 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the official figure is about 1k ims.

01:05:52 Mats_cd03: does anyone else hate the tv show suits

01:06:02 Mats_cd03: ...cause i do

01:06:22 dub: never heard of it

01:06:32 nubbins`: what's a tv show

01:06:39 ThickAsThieves: Mats_cd03 is a lawyer?

01:07:04 mircea_popescu: we're watching tv now ?

01:07:07 mircea_popescu: what is this, the 60s ?

01:07:47 kakobrekla: nope, its the 80s, irc time

01:08:20 nubbins`: http://www.thingcharger.com/

01:08:40 mircea_popescu: if this is the 80s why do i have a beard.

01:08:41 nubbins`: imagine taking a 10" tablet and charging it by balancing it vertically on a male micro-usb jack

01:08:43 nubbins`: ;(

01:09:07 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: because growing a mustache from scratch makes you look unkempt? :D

01:09:17 Vexual: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/GODLIKE-Alternator-diesel-generator/582312172.html

01:09:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.1310005 = 0.262 BTC [-] {2}

01:09:44 mircea_popescu: nubbins` that is exactly the sort of idiocy. it has all the markings.

01:09:59 mircea_popescu: buncha press logos ? as if anyone gives a shit.

01:10:03 nubbins`: right

01:10:08 mircea_popescu: this is billy mays 2015 edition.

01:10:15 nubbins`: "are you tired of not snapping off connectors inside your expensive electronics?"

01:11:02 KRS-: I am going Foo Manchu this month

01:11:07 asciilifeform: this is one of those cases where the lusers will be better off if the vendor takes the money and runs

01:11:12 nubbins`: i want to see five of these things plugged into each other

01:11:13 mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpqiyFPdHZ4

01:11:17 mircea_popescu: at least the guy had a personality.

01:11:21 nubbins`: with five ipads smashed on the floor

01:11:32 nubbins`: "convenient!"

01:11:38 nubbins`: "break all your things at once!"

01:11:45 KRS-: http://ep.yimg.com/ay/yhst-130817123929166/fu-manchu-mustache-1.jpg

01:11:54 mircea_popescu: that thing is actually useful.

01:12:02 dub: there is a retard (ipad) sized 10 key calculator in this room

01:12:15 mircea_popescu: you can make ~ 7lbs of crushed ice / hour with it.

01:12:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17498 @ 0.00092823 = 16.2422 BTC [-] {2}

01:12:30 dub: I've been hilariously quipping that its more useful than the apple product to all the apple fanboys here

01:12:47 mircea_popescu: lol

01:13:47 kakobrekla: do they still sell quick chop?

01:13:48 asciilifeform: everybody hates apple but nobody lifts a finger to birth a half-decent unix laptop

01:13:49 nubbins`: speaking of mustaches

01:13:53 nubbins`: here's one of my better ones:

01:14:01 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ubuntu could have done it

01:14:05 mircea_popescu: but instead they decided to go all doge

01:14:08 Mats_cd03: asciilifeform: thats because its literally impossible to satisfy nix geeks

01:14:09 nubbins`: http://imgur.com/Nchmysi

01:14:46 asciilifeform: Mats_cd03: all you need is a machine with documented, well-behaved (at least to the desktop standard) components.

01:14:58 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so that means no gnome no kde right ?

01:15:02 dub: die antword wannabe

01:15:07 asciilifeform: or, failing that, an os by the same people who bake the hw

01:15:17 asciilifeform: a la Sun Tadpole laptop

01:15:25 nubbins`: dub, this was halloween 2012

01:15:33 nubbins`: only ONE stranger recognized my wife and i

01:15:37 nubbins`: wanted his picture taken ;(

01:15:57 asciilifeform: someone still uses gnome or kde?

01:16:10 dub: pic of her as yolandi plox

01:16:46 decimation: ascii what about novena? http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?tag=novena

01:16:50 dub: points if you wore the dark side of teh moon boxer shorts

01:17:07 asciilifeform: ah yes, the 'junkyard wars' laptop

01:17:17 decimation: LoL yeah it has a few extra features...

01:17:23 benkay: junkyard ware is all we get now asciilifeform

01:17:30 kakobrekla: --

01:17:36 nubbins`: dub, unfortunately only blurry cellphone pictures exist

01:18:05 benkay: this means that people who care about the problem should probably invest some time and intellect into fixing it instead of waiting for a corporate sponsor like BSD does.

01:18:22 ThickAsThieves: for anyone that cares, #opentransactions exists

01:18:34 decimation: the amount of time and intellect required to reinvent the computer with non-crap is literally several lifetimes

01:18:46 asciilifeform: benkay: people who have never been involved in mass-producing hardware are in for some rude surprises

01:19:00 decimation: and it's not profitable, and it's likely you will make many powerful enemies

01:19:19 asciilifeform: decimation: not even talking about re-inventing computing here (that's what my blob is for...) but just a decent unixlike portable

01:19:26 asciilifeform: where, say, 'suspend mode' actually works

01:19:31 asciilifeform: and network card, etc

01:19:46 asciilifeform: *blog

01:19:53 decimation: oh that's a more reasonable goal. yeah you aren't going to convince the junk peddlers that it's worth their time

01:20:12 benkay: well look asciilifeform there's digikey, there's a 3d printer, and there's a mess of hardware out there. nobody's going to mass-produce a *nix laptop but Apple, and we can't use theirs. the solution is to cobble our own together.

01:20:14 nubbins`: blob

01:20:29 asciilifeform: you use a kbd with 3d-printed keys, i'll pass.

01:20:31 nubbins`: you can't use theirs?

01:20:56 asciilifeform: the keyboard is one of the first mass hardware items to go to shit

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01:21:39 asciilifeform: '90s laptops still had more-or-less usable ones

01:21:42 decimation: what I find interesting is the "market dynamics" of the iphone/ipad vs. android alternatives

01:21:43 asciilifeform: no such luck now

01:21:46 nubbins`: my mother wears the letters off her keys within ~4 months

01:22:09 benkay: so what's a more tractable problem: supplying high-quality keyboards for shitty cobbled together laptops, or producing entire chassis?

01:22:12 decimation: before the apple junk dominated, there was actually some differentiation in the marketplace amoung android devices

01:22:17 decimation: now everyone makes iphone clones

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01:22:33 asciilifeform: on old (proper) keyboards, the letters physically cannot come off (they're injection molded, the bottom of the key is black) they just get fatter over time.

01:22:38 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what do people use these days ?

01:22:39 asciilifeform: 'geological' time.

01:23:12 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: most recent portables have 'apple' style 'dollar store calculator' keyboards.

01:23:32 nubbins`: apple keyboards are a joy

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01:23:42 asciilifeform: on cheap keyboards (all of them, today) the letters are silkscreened on.

01:23:42 decimation: I love my old hp-48 chicklet syle keyboard. I wish someone would bring that back on a portable device

01:24:41 asciilifeform: i, for instance, would like an aluminum (or hell, if we're dreaming, titanium) kbd and chassis

01:24:50 asciilifeform: but this is not how mass industry works

01:24:54 mircea_popescu: mircea_popescu i mean re gnome/kde

01:25:04 KRS-: kde ftw

01:25:15 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: can't speak for others, but i'm partial to http://www.nongnu.org/ratpoison/

01:25:42 mircea_popescu: but we WERE speaking of others.

01:25:47 mircea_popescu: thought we were discussing mass mkt.

01:25:59 KRS-: reminds me of metro-x

01:25:59 dub: xfce4yfe

01:26:11 KRS-: dub: u are a sick man

01:26:16 nubbins`: if it's just the chassis holding you back, get one machined

01:26:18 asciilifeform: linux noobs are using various graphics-candy oddities, some probably based on gnome/kde, yes

01:27:01 asciilifeform: nubbins`: i prefer pigs without lipstick, and turds unpolished

01:27:06 KRS-: damn geeks took over market topic

01:27:13 decimation: the portable device mass market is full of different manufacturers, yet they all produce very similar knockoffs of the same design

01:27:26 KRS-: CDE reminds me of my Sun desktop days

01:27:35 decimation: what could drive such risk-adverse behaviours amoung the executive suites of those companies?

01:27:35 asciilifeform: decimation: and with virtually-identical internals

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01:27:54 decimation: what happens to the guy who suggests: why not try something other than an iphone clone (for instance)

01:28:33 decimation: I think you have a blog post about how the world is damned to repeat Job's mistakes

01:28:36 dub: asciilifeform: tmux?

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01:28:41 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform isn't a laptop by its definition ALREADY an oddity ?

01:28:53 mircea_popescu: who the fuck wants to hunch over a ball cooker ?

01:29:14 mircea_popescu: i mean i get it, executive assistant chicks with 4 feet worth of leg.

01:29:28 nubbins`: heh

01:29:32 nubbins`: almost googled "ball cooker"

01:29:49 mircea_popescu: nubbins` laptops aren't for men. srsly. it

01:29:56 mircea_popescu: s like the cs equivalent of a dildo.

01:30:09 nubbins`: "laptop" is a misnomer

01:30:17 nubbins`: for example, mine's on a table

01:30:29 decimation: yeah here's your post on the topic, if you forgive me http://www.loper-os.org/?p=132

01:30:36 nubbins`: if you're going by what lazy slobs do, you could call all kinds of things laptops

01:30:43 nubbins`: large bag of chips? laptop

01:30:49 nubbins`: nintendo controller? laptop

01:30:50 Vexual: hooker? laptop

01:30:53 nubbins`: ^

01:30:54 nubbins`: etc, etc

01:31:11 Vexual: you can put it on a desk but you dont have to

01:31:15 nubbins`: cat? laptop

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01:31:42 mircea_popescu: nubbins` suppose tomorrow I decide i want a diff video card.

01:31:45 mircea_popescu: da fuck do you do with the laptop ?

01:32:08 Vexual: tol up your chinese factoryies to make mini pcie stuff

01:32:09 nubbins`: suppose tomorrow you want rack and pinion steering on your motorcycle.

01:32:56 decimation: I guess that the serious lack of non-Apple competition for well-designed hardware (ie, not just Apple clones) is proof that no major electronics manufacturer is well managed

01:33:10 nubbins`: decimation, it's more that there isn't a market for well-designed hardware.

01:33:29 decimation: bah. jobs created a market

01:33:52 nubbins`: sure he did

01:34:11 nubbins`: is there room for two homemade fudge stands at the farmer's market?

01:34:13 mircea_popescu: decimation perhaps it's proof that apple hardware is not well designed.

01:34:23 nubbins`: heh

01:34:24 decimation: heh that's also possible

01:34:26 nubbins`: there's that, too

01:34:34 nubbins`: for example, look at those time capsule things

01:34:40 mircea_popescu: would you say the lack of coca-cola competition for healthy fizz drinks proves no major pharma company is well managed ?

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01:35:20 decimation: either they are not well managed or the zombie hordes in the US would prefer not to think

01:35:31 nubbins`: anyway, apple hardware is well-designed visually, sure

01:35:51 mircea_popescu: decimation apple has unmatched strengths in marketing and advertising

01:36:00 nubbins`: i was about to say "but it's not like they're fabbing custom chips"

01:36:12 decimation: they used to be a joke back in the clone days

01:36:12 mircea_popescu: this is strictly because apple had at the helm for a decade+ a person who actually understood how worthless advertising is, and just told the horde to get fucked

01:36:18 Vexual: they worked out to patent connectors

01:36:29 mircea_popescu: if you only buy +ev packages for 10 years and have the bankroll to buy anything, eventually you end up king of the hill

01:36:31 mircea_popescu: which indeed they are

01:36:47 mircea_popescu: think about this : all OTHER mass market folks need to PAY celebs and producers to get product placement

01:37:03 mircea_popescu: apple gets this the other way around : the SHOW itself wants to gain value from the association.

01:37:05 mircea_popescu: that's all it is.

01:37:07 mircea_popescu: no design involved.

01:37:45 decimation: but how do you create stuff people want? I submit (like ascii) that it can only the product of one mind who has the power to dictate the result

01:38:05 Vexual: :usb

01:38:05 nubbins`: decimation: you convince people that they want it.

01:38:09 nubbins`: aren't you listening? D:

01:38:13 mircea_popescu: to create product you can sell in the 1990s us, you create something that people CAN IDENTIFY and push their want buttons. is all.

01:38:18 mircea_popescu: they don't have to want anything.

01:38:38 mircea_popescu: what you take for "good engineering" is really just what nintendo was trying to do with the "game cube".

01:38:54 mircea_popescu: ie, it's a cube. basic geometric shape. "herp derp i can recognise this in my surroundings"

01:39:38 Vexual: works in micro tatami

01:39:53 mircea_popescu: it's more important that they were all black

01:40:06 decimation: So your goal, as a businessman, is to get the big dumb blob of the population to be able to recognize your widget

01:40:07 mircea_popescu: than absolutely any actual design decision involved.

01:40:11 decimation: everything else will follow?

01:40:17 mircea_popescu: decimation well, don' go fighting the war of the past.

01:40:31 mircea_popescu: the 1990 us (lots of people with lots of welfare money to throw around) is not coming back. ever.

01:40:43 decimation: that's true. it was a unique time

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01:41:13 mircea_popescu: you can feel it, in retrospect. all this govt money everyone had... greatest party of all time.

01:41:36 mircea_popescu: party's over, but yeah, that one chick with nice tits that took her top off... what a hoot.

01:41:46 Namworld: Time to clean up now

01:41:50 mircea_popescu: what was her name, peaches, rosy, eve ? something with apple in it maybe.

01:41:59 decimation: Perhaps the 1960's-90's will be regarded as the peak of "us civilization"

01:42:16 mircea_popescu: the peak of us civilisation was the golden generation

01:42:22 mircea_popescu: not yet matched, and no more time.

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01:43:55 mircea_popescu: s/gilded/golden

01:44:04 mircea_popescu: i guess i went a little circular there lol

01:44:32 nubbins`: life's like that

01:45:05 decimation: I was a little confused. In the us, this is a forgotten part of our history in the popular mind

01:45:22 mircea_popescu: yeah, well. the people whose retarded children followed lincoln in his nazi adventure.

01:46:15 asciilifeform: re: 'what market wants':

01:46:16 asciilifeform: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3071492123502329@naggum.no.html

01:46:29 mircea_popescu: it'd have blossomed again, im sure, but europe bleed it twice in 50 years

01:46:32 mircea_popescu: and then... here we are.

01:46:37 asciilifeform: 'do Americans want three-ring binders,

01:46:37 asciilifeform: and Europeans four-ring binders? or do they want binders and take whatever

01:46:37 asciilifeform: number of holes they come with? or do they want something that can help

01:46:37 asciilifeform: them organize their papers and take whatever is available? or do they

01:46:37 asciilifeform: really want a less cluttered office and ease of storage and retrieval of

01:46:38 asciilifeform: the information they receive?'

01:46:45 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform indeed.

01:47:49 decimation: Indeed, what is interesting is that how little of the communism that had taken over Europe in the late 1800's had actually affected America

01:48:15 mircea_popescu: the us was quite healthy yet, even in 1880.

01:48:42 mircea_popescu: course... you're quite healthy "yet" the day after you've fucked all the girls at the pit stop too.

01:48:52 decimation: I mean, the election of 1886 was about whether there should be a silver or gold standard - and the gold won!

01:48:55 Vexual: maybemoreso than 110 y later

01:49:18 Mats_cd03: is there more silver or gold in existence

01:49:25 Vexual: silver

01:49:26 decimation: silver (on planet earth)

01:49:28 Vexual: tin

01:50:04 decimation: that's why the democrats wanted to adopt the silver standard - it would be extremely beneficial to the "little people" - debtors all over the midwest

01:50:26 asciilifeform: sad fact is, if you want, for one reason or another, a portable unix box with a metal chassis and working suspend mode & peripherals, you're stuck with apple.

01:50:30 mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 about 100x more silver.

01:50:43 mircea_popescu: decimation planet earth is not really far off the universal average is it ?

01:50:53 decimation: I donno, i'm just being pedantic

01:51:20 mircea_popescu: i vaguely remember that earth is actually "reasonably" representative of the actual unviersal distribution of elements.

01:51:27 decimation: ascii I want something that has a reasonable off-line backup system that will restore from an external drive, like time machine

01:51:58 asciilifeform: decimation: what's wrong with dd=/dev/yerdisk of=/mnt/somewhere

01:52:01 mircea_popescu: Vexual actually, on earth iron and nickel are, not tin.

01:52:11 Vexual: reasonable meaning that we are here and can see about 100 meteres across the shere of earth if it were the universe

01:52:18 mircea_popescu: they're nuclear ends.

01:52:20 decimation: well, that's fine if you want to ensure your system isn't modifying files while you write the clone?

01:52:38 Vexual: exactly not elemantal

01:53:21 mircea_popescu: i suppose you acquire all kernel locks

01:53:24 mircea_popescu: OVER 9000

01:53:35 asciilifeform: if you don't feel like taking the box down, there are clever ways

01:53:37 KRS-: Anyone going to the Berlin Bitcoin conference, PM me for 20% discount code.

01:53:53 Vexual: how much is a ticket?

01:54:00 KRS-: idk

01:54:02 nubbins`: did i tell you guys about the coworker i had who used time machine for version control?

01:54:04 decimation: Perhaps it would be integrated into your suspend feature :)

01:54:13 nubbins`: "i don't like svn", he said

01:54:28 decimation: seems reasonable <sarcasm>

01:54:37 nubbins`: he never fucked anything up

01:54:38 KRS-: If anyone is lending on BFX I could use some swap for almost 600 LTC.

01:54:52 KRS-: ;;seen sturles

01:54:53 gribble: sturles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 37 weeks, 4 days, 18 hours, 38 minutes, and 36 seconds ago: <sturles> I've upgraded my clients to latest git. Not forwarding or mining silly dust spam any more.

01:54:56 KRS-: fawk

01:55:49 decimation: well ascii, part of the problem with your lack of unix laptop is that there aren't any unix hardware manufacturers anymore

01:55:59 decimation: does oracle still make servers?

01:56:27 asciilifeform: this isn't really an issue with full-scale machines, where you can mix&match hw

01:56:31 nubbins`: does oracle still anymore?

01:57:13 decimation: yeah, laptops are going to require some level of hardware/firmware/driver integration

01:57:22 benkay: ;;calc 0.8*24*365

01:57:23 gribble: 7008

01:57:30 nubbins`: decimation: how about HP :)

01:57:40 decimation: it seems there would be a market for a "rhel laptop" like the tadpole was for sun though

01:57:52 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> this isn't really an issue with full-scale machines, where you can mix&match hw <<< shit, laptops just got killed.

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01:59:07 asciilifeform: to say that laptop is unnecessary is like supposing that nothing smaller than a squad machine gun is of any use in war

01:59:09 decimation: HP was killed by idiots who were drunk at the party in the 90's MP mentions

01:59:19 nubbins`: well y'know.

01:59:25 asciilifeform: (even if this is approximately true, the devil lies in the remaining cases)

01:59:29 nubbins`: did they EVER have a "unix laptop"?

01:59:53 decimation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tadpole_Computer

02:00:04 nubbins`: did ibm have AIX laptops, did sgi have IRIX laptops, etc

02:00:08 Mats_cd03: chromebooks are about as good as its going to get imo

02:00:10 asciilifeform: if i recall, there was even an Alpha laptop once.

02:00:20 nubbins`: i'm not so sure this "unix laptop" thing ever existed, aside from a few isolated instances

02:00:35 nubbins`: Mats_cd03, chromebooks are essentially dumb terminals

02:00:51 Mats_cd03: ya i know

02:01:03 asciilifeform: nubbins`: chromebook can be diddled into some semblance of general-purpose usefulness, with some sweat

02:01:04 Vexual: whats wrong with a raspi in a lunchbox?

02:01:05 Mats_cd03: fuck me but i actually like that

02:01:09 asciilifeform: (zap the google crap)

02:01:11 benkay: ;;calc 0.8*24*30

02:01:11 gribble: 576

02:01:27 asciilifeform: Vexual: keyboard, battery, display

02:01:27 nubbins`: asciilifeform: so can an OLPC ;p

02:01:32 Mats_cd03: im at the stage where i know a lot about netsec but very little about practical mitigation of threats

02:01:39 Vexual: i thought thats what all the kids had now

02:01:45 Mats_cd03: so having a chromebook to do things that might be sensitive is great

02:01:51 Vexual: build the rest with arundio

02:02:28 decimation: well, if you want to DIY laptop you might as well join up with bunnie, at least he is going with open/auditable firmware

02:02:36 Mats_cd03: if i'm really, really worried about getting pwned i guess i could use a raspi with a usb drive to bridge the air gap

02:02:37 asciilifeform: Vexual: if your idea of a portable computer is a briefcase with a tv and raspi, more power to you

02:02:38 decimation: although that doesn't detect chip fiddling

02:03:05 Vexual: im happy with my 701

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02:03:20 asciilifeform: ibm 701C? the one with the folding kbd?

02:03:22 asciilifeform: 486?

02:03:37 Mats_cd03: im sure it exists but i havent seen malware that targets both armv6

02:03:43 decimation: except your "raspi" is closed hardware with binary blob fimrware

02:03:46 Mats_cd03: and x86-64

02:03:48 asciilifeform: gets better

02:03:55 asciilifeform: raspi cpu has a whole separate core

02:04:01 nubbins`: wait, so now we're looking for a laptop with all open hardware?

02:04:04 nubbins`: jeez

02:04:05 asciilifeform: running a weird undocumented instr set (!) blob at all times

02:04:29 decimation: well it was probably meant for phones/tablets to run the RF stuff

02:04:37 nubbins`: just call up that company whose laptops RMS uses

02:04:40 asciilifeform: it's like someone held a contest, 'make something even more dubious than an intel box'

02:04:45 nubbins`: and ask them to do a bespoke one for ya

02:04:48 Vexual: asccilifeform: eeepc

02:05:02 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> to say that laptop is unnecessary is like supposing that nothing smaller than a squad machine gun is of any use in war << this is facually true

02:05:04 decimation: I donno, qualcomm is probably more scummy than intel

02:05:08 asciilifeform: bought an 'eeepc' once, threw it out in disgust

02:05:09 mircea_popescu: you ever seen anyone with a .38 ?

02:05:10 nubbins`: hm, this tadpole used openvms?

02:05:11 nubbins`: :(

02:05:58 Mats_cd03: i used to own a S&W revolver what about it

02:06:13 decimation: here you go, a history of sparc portables http://www.sparcproductdirectory.com/portable10.html

02:06:14 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for some reason no one is in a hurry to dispense with man-portable arms

02:06:19 mircea_popescu: did you win any wars with it Mats_cd03 ?

02:06:30 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform man portable != woman portable.

02:06:36 mircea_popescu: i can carry my mothrfucking crt.

02:06:42 nubbins`: afaik they give pistols to suspected heroes

02:06:46 asciilifeform: the 'two airplanes' theorem applies

02:06:52 nubbins`: so they can drunkenly stagger towards enemy snipers firing shots

02:06:53 Mats_cd03: mircea_popescu: nah i never fired it, it was an antique i saved for home defense

02:06:56 nubbins`: while they bleed out

02:07:02 asciilifeform: 'what can two planes do, that no single plane, regardless of cost, can do? be in two places.'

02:07:27 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so you shooting a .38 in each hand > me with my .5 DE ?

02:07:49 mircea_popescu: there is an absolute limit to the smallest firearm usable on a battlefield. so in computing. the laptop is below that limit.

02:07:57 asciilifeform: but note that DE, rather than Maxim

02:07:59 Mats_cd03: only if you turn both pistols sideways

02:08:08 asciilifeform: because you'd still like to move around with it

02:08:10 mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 and spin while screaming.

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02:08:24 Mats_cd03: you'd kill 6 whole gangsters, i seen it

02:08:32 mircea_popescu: i saw that movie too!

02:08:47 mircea_popescu: i think that's how they started calling them "molls"

02:08:54 Mats_cd03: now that we're talking about firearms

02:09:06 Mats_cd03: i want to tell all of you that live in murica to buy an antique handgun

02:09:25 Mats_cd03: no need to register it if you leave it at home

02:09:32 nubbins`: i'm not so sure that "computing" is a battlefield

02:09:44 nubbins`: handguns work fine for domestic disputes

02:09:46 nubbins`: bar fights, even

02:09:47 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you do have a good point there in principle, but im not so sure the laptop resolves the movement problem.

02:09:49 Mats_cd03: 9/10 on scale of intimidating crackheads and drunks off your property

02:10:08 asciilifeform: Mats_cd03: afaik, in most u.s. states nobody has to register anything short of machine gun

02:10:11 Vexual: flingin crts with one hand workls too

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02:10:20 nubbins`: haha ^

02:10:46 Mats_cd03: i live in the union so theres lots of regs everywhere

02:11:08 Mats_cd03: i rented an AR-15 once in san diego

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02:11:24 Mats_cd03: theres this regulation that assault weapons have to be sold with this special magazine release

02:11:40 Mats_cd03: so you end up using a fucking pen to pop your 10 round mag out

02:11:54 Mats_cd03: mindfuckery

02:12:15 asciilifeform: Mats_cd03: used to be that you could pop those open with an unspent round, but the regulations were changed, if i recall

02:12:50 Mats_cd03: its like this

02:13:07 decimation: I think the new thing is that the next magazine has a key to pop off the last one

02:13:43 Mats_cd03: if i'm going to shoot up a mall i'm going to find the biggest magazine i can find, prob 40 rounds, and then i'm going to get a weapon that takes less than 5 seconds to reload

02:14:07 Mats_cd03: some regulations about a 10 round magazine and mag release fuckery ain't gonna stop that

02:14:20 Vexual: regulations changed in australia, now we have more unlicensed guns than the bad parts of la

02:14:39 asciilifeform: i still don't get the preoccupation with 'postals.' biggest postal body count to date still belongs to the fellow with the jerry can

02:14:53 asciilifeform: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Land_fire

02:14:54 ozbot: Happy Land fire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

02:15:30 Vexual: everyone handed in their crts tho

02:15:47 asciilifeform: CRT banned in australia?!

02:15:59 decimation: http://reason.com/blog/2013/06/12/san-francisco-targets-repair-kits-that-s

02:16:01 ozbot: San Francisco Targets 'Repair Kits' That Skirt California's Gun Magazine Limit - Hit & Run : Reason.

02:16:07 decimation: PLEASE NOTE: CA-Legal Magazine Repair / Rebuild Kits are to be used to 1) repair or rebuild your existing legally owned high capacity magazines or 2) permanently block to 10 rounds or 3) store in a disassembled condition for use outside of California. They are not intended for reassembly into new high capacity magazines, which would be a felony under California law.

02:16:09 decimation: LOL

02:17:01 Vexual: asciilifeform: supercession seems to work better

02:17:12 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/bitbet-january-2014-statement/

02:17:13 ozbot: BitBet, January 2014 Statement pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

02:17:13 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla ^

02:17:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 147 @ 0.002984 = 0.4386 BTC [+]

02:17:41 benkay: wow a significant month for bitbet without significant donations

02:17:45 benkay: bitbet not scam?

02:18:28 asciilifeform: decimation: these folks will probably end in the gasenwagen. see the infamous 'shoelace machine gun' precedent.

02:18:44 mircea_popescu: benkay it's still a scam, but this month more quoting wikipedia less quoting fraudsters

02:19:25 decimation: the list of unapproved submissions is likely hilarious

02:19:48 asciilifeform: during 'prohibition', there were folks who sold stills in parts, with detailed instructions for 'what not do to' with them

02:19:54 nubbins`: "Upon further review, we have determined that the string by itself is not a machinegun"

02:19:55 nubbins`: lelel

02:19:58 asciilifeform: this doesn't fly today

02:20:00 decimation: lol the shoestring

02:20:18 mircea_popescu: Gonz?lez was charged with 174 counts of murder?- two for each victim?- and was found guilty on 87 counts of arson and 87 counts of murder on August 19, 1991. For each count he received the sentence maximum of 25 years to life (a total of 4,350 years). It was the most substantial prison term ever imposed in the state of New York

02:20:18 decimation: how can the guy who signed that letter face himself in the mirror

02:20:24 mircea_popescu: this "counts" bs the us does still boggles.

02:20:27 mircea_popescu: he did ONE thing.

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02:20:32 asciilifeform: the string was acquitted, but woe be unto anyone caught with an original 'ak' sear

02:20:34 mircea_popescu: there can't be "counts"

02:21:43 Mats_cd03: is there context for the photo on fraudsters

02:21:58 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: unfortunately there's no separate crime for "killing 87 people"

02:22:19 nubbins`: and what sort of justice equates the killing of one with the killing of dozens?!

02:22:22 Mats_cd03: ive spent five minutes now just examining the man's beard and the other guy's arm hair

02:22:32 mircea_popescu: nubbins` it's killing.

02:22:38 decimation: why not just convict on one "count" then, and if you want him to suffer more, convict him of the next?

02:22:39 Mats_cd03: nubbins`: judaism?

02:22:39 mircea_popescu: there is a crime of "murder"

02:22:41 nubbins`: sure, yes.

02:22:45 mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 which one ?

02:22:51 nubbins`: and he committed the crime 87 times, they say

02:22:52 Mats_cd03: at the top

02:22:57 mircea_popescu: o, the header ? me with some local kids in a bar

02:23:04 Vexual: did you win?

02:23:13 asciilifeform: they're stuck with the monotony of allowed punishments

02:23:14 mircea_popescu: counting fiat.

02:23:30 mircea_popescu: nubbins` you can't commit the crime x times, unless you do x things.

02:23:33 asciilifeform: in the old days, you could have your breaking on the wheel 'commuted' to mere beheading, if there were 'extenuating circumstances'

02:23:36 mircea_popescu: he did one thing. it's one crime.

02:23:59 nubbins`: sure, but if i go to a pizza place and eat a full pizza, do i get charged for one slice?

02:24:00 mircea_popescu: Vexual yeah.

02:24:01 nubbins`: i only ate one meal

02:24:02 Mats_cd03: i propose a new system of justice

02:24:05 decimation: public hangings ought to be mandatory viewing for the entire population

02:24:11 mircea_popescu: nubbins` what is this, the market ?

02:24:24 nubbins`: for our purposes, sure

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02:24:35 mircea_popescu: nope. if eating is punished, you ate, you get punished.

02:24:41 mircea_popescu: if you eat twice, maybe you're punished twice.

02:24:49 asciilifeform: decimation: public hangings were, afaik, always and unambiguously 'cash-positive' and in-demand

02:24:50 nubbins`: okay, so i left my wallet at home

02:24:56 Mats_cd03: convicted felons will now scrape gum off sidewalks

02:24:58 mircea_popescu: but if you ate once you don't get "one count of eating an olive, another count of eating another olive" bs.

02:25:05 mircea_popescu: and besides, they run concurrently anyway.

02:25:07 nubbins`: do i have to wash the same number of dishes as the guy who only ate half a pizza?

02:25:10 Mats_cd03: that might keep lifers busy

02:25:15 mircea_popescu: 43985734987984357 counts of 5 minutes = 5 minutes in jail.

02:25:48 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: u.s. judges can select concurrent vs. consecutive

02:25:59 mircea_popescu: only cause teh us is completely in wtf mode.

02:26:07 Vexual: no

02:26:14 mircea_popescu: i'm in jail, i'm in jail. it applies to all possible reasons i might be in jail.

02:26:28 mircea_popescu: there's not a "now for x, tomorrow for y" bs.

02:26:29 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: same punishment for striking one person with your car vs driving through a crowd, mowing down dozens?

02:26:34 mircea_popescu: nubbins` yup.

02:26:47 mircea_popescu: unless there's a special law for 3 people, murder is murder.

02:26:56 nubbins`: don't you suppose that would encourage people to just keep on driving after they've struck someone?

02:27:03 nubbins`: "fuck it, i never liked bill"

02:27:03 mircea_popescu: it can be manslaughter or aggravated murder, but it is an offence.

02:27:19 asciilifeform: 'might as well hang for a sheep as for a lamb'

02:27:19 mircea_popescu: nubbins` do you suppose the 4955th year discourages anyone ?

02:27:21 nubbins`: "actually this whole town is full of nerds"

02:27:34 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: i don't suppose the punishment discourages anyone who commits an offence

02:27:40 nubbins`: by definition, it hasn't

02:27:44 mircea_popescu: "dude, 2500s i don't care about so much but i gotta see superbowl #1955"

02:27:50 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'geological time' sentences, if i recall, serve a mundane bureaucratic purpose

02:28:04 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform kinda what i'm pointing out here. it makes a laughingstock of the process.

02:28:08 asciilifeform: they eliminate parole in jurisdictions where the judge cannot (or for political/historical reasons) won't do so.

02:28:10 nubbins`: asciilifeform: prisons get paid in advance? ;p

02:28:27 asciilifeform: 'yer paroled but got 3000 yrs to go'

02:28:35 mircea_popescu: i don't dispute the system works.

02:28:37 asciilifeform: '1000 off for good behaviour'

02:28:42 mircea_popescu: i affirm the system is fucking microsoft windows.

02:28:50 asciilifeform: that, it is.

02:28:52 Mats_cd03: the process has always been a laughing stock, we just invented the internet recently and tell each other about it

02:28:55 mircea_popescu: all i'm sayin'.

02:29:06 asciilifeform: for that matter,winblows itself is a good cultural portrait of the civilization that shat it forth

02:29:09 mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 the civil law is actually a lot saner

02:29:14 nubbins`: so i come home to find my wife in bed with another man

02:29:16 mircea_popescu: until you get to business and commercial matters.

02:29:19 nubbins`: shoot one of them

02:29:19 mircea_popescu: then... forget it.

02:29:28 nubbins`: i might as well just shoot the other one, and my daughter too?

02:29:30 Mats_cd03: it has been an adversarial judicial system its entire existence...scalia agrees on this account

02:29:33 nubbins`: MAKES SENSE

02:29:34 mircea_popescu: nubbins` fun fact : guy did this in timisoara ~5 years ago. he was acquited.

02:29:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13945 @ 0.0009292 = 12.9577 BTC [+]

02:29:52 Vexual: get a new woman and stay free

02:30:02 Mats_cd03: i mean fuck they're pitting lawyers against each other, someone is going to get fucked and its not the prosecution

02:30:50 nubbins`: Mats_cd03: sometimes the prosecution gets fucked, but they don't really have to pay the bill when it comes

02:31:08 decimation: why is it considered horrific to broadcast hangings in the US, but not horrific to broadcast "fiction" featuring people murdering regularly?

02:31:26 mircea_popescu: decimation why is it considered horrific to show kids nipples

02:31:27 Mats_cd03: cause its not, like, real, dude

02:31:31 mircea_popescu: is what i want to know.

02:31:32 asciilifeform: decimation: it's worth your time to read about how and why public hangings went away

02:31:41 asciilifeform: it was 'moralists.' too much fun

02:31:42 decimation: yeah do you have sources

02:32:25 decimation: We can build a kingdom of God on earth, if we just pile up enough chairs...

02:32:28 asciilifeform: 'Edison and the Electric Chair', Mark Essig

02:32:31 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform was it because hangings got too close to masturbation for the victim ?

02:33:13 mircea_popescu: U.S. intelligence agencies last week urged the Obama administration to check its new healthcare network for malicious software after learning that developers linked to the Belarus government helped produce the website, raising fresh concerns that private data posted by millions of Americans will be compromised.

02:33:18 mircea_popescu: http://freebeacon.com/the-belarusian-connection/

02:33:20 ozbot: The Belarusian Connection | Washington Free Beacon

02:33:21 asciilifeform: hangings in the 19th c. were apparently quite stimulating to the audience.

02:33:48 nubbins`: asciilifeform, gore is essentially porno

02:33:59 nubbins`: belarus, they make nice coins

02:34:01 decimation: Belarussian hackers probably have unique insight in how to create proper communism

02:34:33 asciilifeform: no gore as such, even. never having attended a hanging, i've no idea why the audience creams its pants along with the fellow dancing the hempen jig

02:34:34 mircea_popescu: belarus is like.... putin's canada.

02:34:35 asciilifeform: but there it was.

02:35:22 nubbins`: well sure, but a technicality

02:35:32 nubbins`: humans get off on vulnerability

02:35:45 nubbins`: this is why they enjoy humiliation, torture, gore, etc as well as sex

02:36:33 nubbins`: and why all those things have a habit of getting tangled up with each other occasionally

02:36:45 asciilifeform: nubbins`: this would explain the fact that everybody loved a good impalement, etc. in times gone by. but hanging? seems boring.

02:36:53 nubbins`: nod

02:36:58 mircea_popescu: http://hosted.ap.org/photos/D/d728d07d-87f7-4b85-baf6-7540d3a22af6-big.jpg < exactly what it says on the tin

02:36:59 nubbins`: it's a power thing

02:37:47 nubbins`: consider the age of 1-900 sex chat

02:37:56 nubbins`: nothing to even look at

02:38:12 nubbins`: countless buckets of cum

02:38:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34300 @ 0.00092959 = 31.8849 BTC [+] {2}

02:39:28 nubbins`: or a room full of dudebros swapping stories of tricking women into having sex or beating up nerds

02:39:42 mircea_popescu: wait what ?

02:39:58 nubbins`: vulnerability

02:40:06 nubbins`: even thinking about it gets people riled up

02:40:12 nubbins`: doesn't even need to be witnessed

02:40:52 nubbins`: the wetness of an impaling is just icing on the cake

02:40:58 nubbins`: a hanging will do just fine

02:41:06 nubbins`: and in a pinch, a recollection of the hanging

02:41:19 mircea_popescu: so why'd spanking go out of fashion ?

02:41:28 nubbins`: it didn't

02:41:39 nubbins`: do you even pornography?

02:42:53 mircea_popescu: so when's the last time you gave the missus a good spanking ?

02:43:04 mircea_popescu: plan on doing her children weekly or anything ?

02:43:45 nubbins`: i'm not saying everyone in the town was jacking off at the gallows

02:44:39 nubbins`: nor is every man a steroid-riddled ape shouting "HURRR" and slapping a woman's ass purple

02:45:02 nubbins`: just that these are common enough things that share a common characteristic

02:45:05 mircea_popescu: so the proposition here is that the same process took out hangings and spankings ?

02:45:21 nubbins`: no, that the same process made them popular in the first place.

02:45:35 nubbins`: propriety brought both out of the public eye

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02:45:55 mircea_popescu: as a non-steroid riddled non-ape that has slapped bucnhes of butts purple i tell you i see no appeal in hangings at all.

02:46:09 nubbins`: sure, and some who eat beef don't eat pork

02:46:16 nubbins`: some men prefer blondes

02:46:17 nubbins`: etc

02:46:24 mircea_popescu: but... pork and beef are still eaten

02:46:44 nubbins`: and people are still executed

02:46:51 mircea_popescu: some who care for antique vases don't care for antique knives ?

02:46:59 Vexual: and the whisky is arely in another castle

02:47:40 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: sure, and the same attraction to items from a time past is what brings people to collect both

02:48:41 mircea_popescu: maybe there's something here but perhaps too complicated to easily detach

02:48:59 nubbins`: this all stems from a quip, really

02:49:23 nubbins`: consider another angle: humans are driven to have sex because of sexual urges. doesn't mean all humans want to have sex with both genders

02:49:39 nubbins`: some prefer one, some the other, some both. but the motivation stems from the same source

02:49:43 mircea_popescu: which quip, the vulnerability ?

02:49:51 mircea_popescu: afaik women kinda throw up at it.

02:49:54 nubbins`: "gore is basically porno"

02:50:17 mircea_popescu: a, a. they're both taboo transgressive, but i doubt they're the same thing really.

02:50:29 nubbins`: sure, a stretch

02:50:41 mircea_popescu: the hunter enjoys seeing gazelles gutted and females fucked.

02:50:49 nubbins`: but the common taboo is vulnerability

02:50:55 mircea_popescu: doesn't actually mean either women are goats or fucking is gutting, i dun think

02:51:21 nubbins`: point i was making, i guess, is of course people jacked off at hangings

02:51:36 Vexual: it might mean you can't shoot a dove if it's nesting

02:51:40 mircea_popescu: how is vulnerability a taboo ?

02:51:48 nubbins`: i'm sure there were people jacking off in the theatre when you saw "consent" or w/e it's called

02:51:56 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you should hire Vexual to do atc shilling i tell you.

02:52:35 Vexual: incase some brave housecat is deprived of duck milk?

02:52:36 nubbins`: the vulnerability itself isn't a taboo

02:52:39 nubbins`: the arousal from it is

02:52:52 nubbins`: guilty pleasure

02:53:05 nubbins`: "i'd sure hate for that to happen to me" as one gleefully watches

02:53:17 nubbins`: not too gleefully, though

02:53:27 mircea_popescu: nubbins` http://fraudsters.com/2010/imaginarium/ that's how a theatre looks when i go.

02:53:49 nubbins`: looks like a lecture hall

02:54:22 nubbins`: ^ disregard, that was a useless statement

02:54:25 mircea_popescu: it's actually an old style cinema. built in the 70s, like 1100 places

02:54:55 Vexual: they you have some balkan craftsmen alter the stage

02:55:13 nubbins`: you really did have a lot more comments when you posted in romanian, huh

02:55:53 mircea_popescu: nubbins` about 90k over ~3-4 years, 20 a day or something

02:56:11 mircea_popescu: romanians still comment and so on, the english speaker is pretty blaze.

02:56:27 mircea_popescu: i doubt people comment once per 100 articles they read.

02:57:07 nubbins`: in the english-speaking world, website comments are generally considered to be the lowest form of discourse

02:57:25 mircea_popescu: kinda silly, at least on fraudsters. but hey.

02:57:28 nubbins`: just below bathroom graffiti

02:57:35 Vexual: romania was catapaulted out of opression with the internet

02:57:41 mircea_popescu: i blame disqus and google for it tbh

02:57:56 nubbins`: someone showed me a picture of a bathroom with "dick surgery or die" written on the wall

02:58:04 nubbins`: recognized the bathroom, to this day have not found the writing

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02:58:12 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: i blame news websites

02:58:37 mircea_popescu: no, because those exist in romanian too and they're just as dumpster-y.

02:59:01 nubbins`: they're great if you want to know what idiots and bigots think on a given topic

02:59:05 Vexual: id be scared shitless if i read that in lumberjack country

03:00:05 Vexual: if i ever go to canadia im shitting in the snow

03:00:18 nubbins`: you know we have toilets here

03:00:24 nubbins`: real ones

03:00:50 Vexual: as in not truck stops?

03:01:09 ThickAsThieves: i always thought maybe people like horror and spanking and sci fi and apocalypse because of depravation from survivalistic lifestyle or something

03:01:19 nubbins`: truck stops, we have

03:01:21 ThickAsThieves: hunter with no need to hunt

03:01:23 nubbins`: no squatter toilets tho

03:01:37 mircea_popescu: you mean deprivation or depravity ?

03:01:49 ThickAsThieves: deprivation, sry

03:02:08 ThickAsThieves: hunter with no need to hunt, caregiver with nothing to care about

03:02:23 nubbins`: popularity of disaster/apocalypse stuff is more a product of the times

03:02:26 ThickAsThieves: smack, horror, boom

03:02:53 Vexual: gonna happen more when a human can't find a square mile to themselves

03:03:04 nubbins`: but sure, thrills are thrilling for those who don't get thrilled much

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03:04:13 Vexual: waking up is a trhill for me

03:04:23 nubbins`: not me

03:04:53 Vexual: fuck mano -10 would take my breath away

03:05:08 nubbins`: it's fine if you're dressed for it!

03:05:28 nubbins`: Canada Goose parkas are really popular here the past few years

03:05:32 Vexual: breathing it in would be like a menthos marbolro

03:05:45 Vexual: except herero

03:05:51 nubbins`: not because they're necessary (srsly, an expedition parka at this latitude?)

03:05:59 mod6: dealt with -20 (or worse) all January.

03:06:00 nubbins`: but because famous people wear them when visiting canada

03:06:47 Mats_cd03: why the fuck does FX show archer at 3AM EST

03:06:58 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=350103.msg4913471#msg4913471

03:07:00 ozbot: [Mpex.co] The Scientology of Bitcoin Finance?

03:07:02 mircea_popescu: check this shit out.

03:07:13 Mats_cd03: praise to ozbot

03:07:15 mircea_popescu: mpex will cease to exist because some pick up artist said things at some conference.

03:07:26 nubbins`: heh

03:07:32 ThickAsThieves: okay i watched the video

03:07:32 mircea_popescu: he doesn't know about how mpex ceased to exist in 2012 because nefario said things at another conference.

03:07:33 nubbins`: well it totally happ... wait

03:07:34 Vexual: did he stutter?

03:07:36 ThickAsThieves: and it doesnt add up

03:07:44 mircea_popescu: and at least at THAT one even rms showed up

03:08:06 ThickAsThieves: Open Transactions is, from what i can tell, a server-distributed ledger, based on last signed & verified receipt

03:08:24 mircea_popescu: i look forward to anon forum derps explaining how mpex will sitll be ceasing to exist in 2025

03:08:35 mircea_popescu: because some yet another social media nobody is saying things.

03:08:49 mircea_popescu: saying dude. if only i knew saying is what makes this world run.

03:08:51 mircea_popescu: fml.

03:09:02 Mats_cd03: .bait

03:09:05 ozbot: http://31.media.tumblr.com/2767062f8f65aa6490cddb837f564c1b/tumblr_mxk6tlh7IF1qauqewo1_1280.jpg

03:09:27 Vexual: mp are you jimmothy?

03:09:34 Mats_cd03: .bait

03:09:36 ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/7014f560e1462b9e1f20716f574d5b26/tumblr_mx74vfbwls1srp1r8o1_1280.jpg

03:09:46 Mats_cd03: mp is every poster in that thread

03:10:14 Vexual: i wonder if i could melt jimmothy

03:10:50 mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 dude stop ruining my well laid out plans.

03:10:51 Vexual: six years of sloths suck oughtta do it

03:11:14 Mats_cd03: mircea_popescu: well... youre not OP right? that would be a master stroke

03:11:43 mircea_popescu: open penis ?

03:12:01 ThickAsThieves: closed heart

03:12:06 mircea_popescu: lol

03:12:24 Mats_cd03: google search for "years of sloths" yields 2 results

03:12:40 Mats_cd03: what the fuck does that mean

03:12:41 mircea_popescu: but it is kind-of funny that people with a clue suspect me of actually sockpuppeting as "mah enemies" on various sm sites.

03:12:59 nubbins`: op/ch

03:13:00 mircea_popescu: if those dorks knew that they're in fact working for me for free they'd prolly have a 2nd aneurism

03:13:00 nubbins`: i lel'd

03:13:26 Vexual: its kinda funny that people with a clue think i have a clue

03:13:33 ThickAsThieves: seems they dont know even when you tell them, so youre okay

03:14:05 Mats_cd03: the trick is to fake it until your fist is in their colon

03:14:21 mircea_popescu: recall that guy snackman ? "o, bitbet is screwed, i will spend a month saying bad things EVERYWHERE, like on places that matter such as reddit"

03:14:26 Vexual: that never works mat

03:14:32 Mats_cd03: then they're your sockpuppet... colon puppet... sort of

03:14:40 mircea_popescu: suckpuppet ?

03:14:55 mircea_popescu: there's like... sock puppets, when you make the account and use it to further your interests

03:15:05 mircea_popescu: then there's suckpuppets, when random derps make the account to spite you

03:15:12 Mats_cd03: suckpuppet might work, although that just made me recall the auditory sound of a fist leaving an asshole

03:15:14 mircea_popescu: and end up helping involuntarily.

03:15:22 nubbins`: ah, i just got reminded of eskimobob

03:15:26 mircea_popescu: well that'd be an adequate fx.

03:15:38 Vexual: by jimmothy nubs?

03:15:40 Mats_cd03: slurrrrrp

03:15:48 Mats_cd03: is the sound that would make

03:15:49 mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 no it's more like a slpop

03:16:05 Mats_cd03: i havent seen enough fisting videos to refute your claim

03:16:09 Mats_cd03: you win

03:16:11 nubbins`: Vexual, his name was brought up in the mpex scientology thread

03:16:16 mircea_popescu: i don't think i've ever seen a video

03:16:28 mircea_popescu: nubbins` you're too young to recall ciuciu huh

03:16:29 nubbins`: i have

03:16:30 Mats_cd03: so fisting is a regular event in your life then

03:16:35 nubbins`: mircea_popescu, before my time

03:16:41 mircea_popescu: well not so regular, but you gotta try things once in a while.

03:16:44 nubbins`: ~nov 2012 i started dabbling

03:16:51 Vexual: http://vimeo.com/67227980

03:16:51 mircea_popescu: lemme see if there's a pastable bit

03:16:52 ozbot: Donna Summer - I Feel Love (Long Remix) Music Video by Ganja Claus on Vimeo

03:17:05 nubbins`: didn't quit my job til feb 2013

03:17:24 Vexual: fired yet?

03:17:24 nubbins`: so there was a period of like 4 months there where i wasn't much in tune with everything

03:17:27 Mats_cd03: the human colon is a remarkable thing

03:17:34 nubbins`: Vexual, i've never been fired

03:17:39 nubbins`: never been broken up with

03:17:48 nubbins`: only good things happen to me

03:17:53 Mats_cd03: i wonder how many of my daily accessories i could fit in my ass if i tried

03:17:56 Vexual: yeah but you're were a boss at birth

03:18:04 nubbins`: after a fashion

03:18:16 Mats_cd03: lets see... gum, wallet, phone, hand sanitizer, moleskine, pen,

03:18:37 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2012 no dice ;/

03:18:42 ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log

03:18:47 nubbins`: :(

03:19:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13437 @ 0.0009283 = 12.4736 BTC [-]

03:19:31 nubbins`: hand sanitizer, seriously?

03:19:32 mircea_popescu: guy was on my ignore so i dun have local logs so...

03:20:06 nubbins`: i don't get this sanitizer thing

03:20:12 nubbins`: okay, anecdote

03:20:17 mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 "He'd be damned if any slope's gonna put their greasy, yellow hands on his boy's birthright, so he hid it in one place he knew he could hide something - his ass. Five long years he wore this watch up his ass. Then, he died of dysentery. He give me the watch. I hid this uncomfortable hunk of metal up my ass two years. Then, after seven years, I was sent home to my family. Now, little man, I give the watch to y

03:20:17 mircea_popescu: ou."

03:20:19 nubbins`: i was at the gym yesterday

03:20:35 nubbins`: there's a small metal box on the wall with a lock on top that hides the temperature controls for the room or w/e

03:20:43 nubbins`: some asshole walks up and sticks his hand underneath it

03:20:49 Mats_cd03: that seems familiar but i always thought the story was about a jew

03:20:54 nubbins`: looks mildly confused when hand sanitizer doesn't squirt out

03:20:59 nubbins`: and walks away

03:21:34 Mats_cd03: i use hand sanitizer to get the smell of smokes off my body

03:21:40 nubbins`: no you don't

03:21:44 Mats_cd03: and gum to remove it from my mouth

03:21:48 nubbins`: you use it to think it gets the smell of smokes off your body

03:21:59 nubbins`: truth is, you fucking reek like smoke after having a cigarette

03:22:08 nubbins`: ask anyone around you who doesn't smoke

03:22:11 Mats_cd03: i'm not a cigarette scientist okay i can only do so much about the cigarette smoke

03:22:11 Vexual: nuns carries half a pund of skunk to get the smell of smoke off his breath

03:22:19 mircea_popescu: lol

03:22:22 Vexual: scientician

03:22:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 9461 @ 0.00049068 = 4.6423 BTC [+] {22}

03:22:34 mircea_popescu: Vexual runs one of the funniest markov chain bots ever.

03:22:37 Mats_cd03: and the smoke touches my hand and mouth, so hand sanitizer and gum is how it goes

03:22:39 nubbins`: lel ^

03:22:45 Vexual: im from the ponds institute

03:22:54 nubbins`: vexual, ive been quit for 2 years 3 months and uh

03:23:01 nubbins`: 19 days

03:23:07 mircea_popescu: i've been smoking since i was ~15.

03:23:15 nubbins`: i only smoked for 5 years

03:23:25 mircea_popescu: takes me about 6 to 10 weeks to go through a pack.

03:23:27 nubbins`: started at age 25, feel free to have a lel

03:23:36 nubbins`: took me 20-24 hours

03:23:37 nubbins`: sometimes less

03:23:43 mircea_popescu: thats a little exaggerate.

03:23:47 nubbins`: occasionally i'd smoke 20 darts over the course of an evening

03:24:01 mircea_popescu: don't eat any viagra.

03:24:09 nubbins`: nor drink any red bull

03:24:32 nubbins`: alkie friend of mine got cut off from red bull one night at the bar

03:24:42 Mats_cd03: lol

03:24:49 mircea_popescu: lol this reminds me of kramer and his cappucino deal

03:25:00 mircea_popescu: "i feel like i'm talking a little fast but you can'treally tell"

03:25:02 nubbins`: he says "you know how hard it is to drink six glasses of coke?"

03:25:17 nubbins`: downs 4 red bulls, screams his lungs out on a stage for 45 minutes

03:25:38 mircea_popescu: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26014387

03:25:39 ozbot: BBC News - Corruption across EU 'breathtaking' - EU Commission

03:25:41 mircea_popescu: The extent of corruption in Europe is "breathtaking" and it costs the EU economy at least 120bn euros (?99bn) annually, the European Commission says.

03:25:42 nubbins`: his heartbeat felt like a fucking dubstep club

03:25:49 mircea_popescu: sounds like a great reason to move here.

03:25:53 Mats_cd03: http://craftastrophe.net/2008/11/keep-your-money-safe-in-your-vagina/

03:25:54 ozbot: Keep Your Money Safe – in Your Vagina | Craftastrophe

03:26:11 Mats_cd03: for the friend you hate that has everything...

03:26:37 nubbins`: the header on that website is pretty amazing

03:26:37 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

03:26:44 Mats_cd03: i am particularly amused by the header

03:27:26 Vexual: wheres the best place in realeurope for an australian to live?

03:27:28 nubbins`: reminds me of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQO-aOdJLiw

03:27:38 nubbins`: vexual, you won't want to miss ^

03:27:45 mircea_popescu: Vexual spain if you like fat whores, romania if you like slender whores.

03:27:46 Mats_cd03: theres even hair glued onto the wallet

03:28:13 ThickAsThieves: must be french

03:28:32 Vexual: this hurts more than fraudsters

03:29:00 Mats_cd03: ^ lol

03:29:06 nubbins`: hahaha it's almost too much

03:29:15 Vexual: and remids me how i got frozen squid instead of statchcock

03:29:38 Vexual: good lamb, you buy

03:30:16 Vexual: antidote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VnG3RmZ1sQ

03:31:14 nubbins`: unexpected side effect: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FavUpD_IjVY

03:32:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 71 @ 0.00595747 = 0.423 BTC [+]

03:32:47 Vexual: can one walk around speaking english at everyone in romania?

03:33:19 mircea_popescu: sure.

03:33:27 Vexual: will it float?

03:33:37 nubbins`: was waiting for the actual question :D

03:33:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC

03:33:42 mircea_popescu: bout the same as it serves you here...

03:33:53 assbot: Last 6 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1584521/plain/)

03:33:53 nubbins`: !b 6

03:33:54 Vexual: hmmmm

03:34:15 nubbins`: problem with !b is that it's easy to fuck up

03:34:34 mircea_popescu: famous last words

03:34:47 nubbins`: s/!b/*

03:34:50 mircea_popescu: "problem with this linux box/kalashnikov/cuisinart/etc"

03:35:09 nubbins`: protip: it's not a problem

03:35:11 nubbins`: :D

03:35:37 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=271711.msg4917085#msg4917085

03:35:39 ozbot: Why MP is your God.

03:35:47 mircea_popescu: this dude actually thinks they tailor polo shirts ?!

03:35:58 mircea_popescu: it's trollage, right ?

03:36:20 nubbins`: http://tsgroupuae.com/en/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/polo01.jpg

03:36:23 nubbins`: that's a polo shirt

03:36:35 nubbins`: is that what you wear under your vest? :\

03:36:55 nubbins`: oh, wait, i cnat raed

03:37:00 mircea_popescu: holy moses on a stick, someone sell him some original haagen-dasz

03:37:05 mircea_popescu: imported from danishland

03:37:10 Vexual: the cowspiders made me sick

03:37:17 nubbins`: Vexual, :(

03:37:22 nubbins`: ovine > bovine

03:37:30 Vexual: no, i have the fear

03:37:44 nubbins`: try placing a bare foot on the ground

03:37:55 Vexual: yeah that worked, thanks

03:38:08 nubbins`: np, it's a good one to remember

03:38:28 Vexual: yeah, the feedback loop swas that it made me forget i had feet

03:38:35 Vexual: funny how secrets travel

03:39:21 mircea_popescu: let's do a game of guess. so my driver (who's really a retired ceo guy, lots of fun) dropped off his 10yo kid to whatever kid social function before picking me up, but didn't go all the way because the street was muddy and his car freshly washed. so the kid had to walk like 100 yards. gets called on phone, kid is affraid of DOGS111!! doesn't know what to do pls help. what does the guy do ?

03:39:55 Vexual: txt him a spoonful of cement?

03:40:14 Vexual: drive back

03:40:17 mircea_popescu: giving away like a promise to pay 1 atc once i get some to the first person that gets the right answer.

03:40:21 mircea_popescu: Vexual no and no.

03:40:27 Vexual: pick you up?

03:40:41 mircea_popescu: well of course, the reason i know about this is cause i was in the car when he got called.

03:41:02 Vexual: is there only one answer?

03:41:05 mircea_popescu: yeah.

03:41:14 mircea_popescu: only one answer, only one altcoin.

03:41:26 mike_c: told him to bark at the dog

03:41:47 mircea_popescu: mike_c pretty much. spent ten minutes yelling in the phone at the top of his lungs telling the kid what a little shitling it is

03:41:54 mike_c: hehe

03:42:03 mircea_popescu: "what the fuck do you mean dogs. EAT THEM!!1"

03:42:17 mircea_popescu: "if i come home and you've eaten no dog i'm going to spank you!"

03:42:24 Vexual: its not really a spoonful of cement if you have to call the kid

03:42:40 asciilifeform: korean driver?

03:42:50 mircea_popescu: so eventually he's done yelling and im like "you got a point there, gotta get the kid scared-er of you than the dogs, then he'll be fine"

03:42:54 mircea_popescu: he goes "d'oh"

03:43:01 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, he's romanian.

03:43:37 asciilifeform: afaik every man who came of age in the post-soviet lands has eaten dog (army)

03:43:51 mircea_popescu: well i suspect the eating part was metaphorical.

03:44:11 mircea_popescu: tho... you never know with this nut.

03:44:25 Vexual: can he fiz a tyre?

03:44:32 asciilifeform: people tell me guard dogs still end up on the rotisserie now and again.

03:44:35 mircea_popescu: we never had a flat so far.

03:45:00 Mats_cd03: i dont understand why you would eat dog instead of all the other animals in existence

03:45:01 Vexual: that was a typo, but the question stands, jason statham stylee

03:45:07 mircea_popescu: mike_c i owe you an atc.

03:45:10 Mats_cd03: its not as though theyre particularly tasty

03:45:24 mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 to make a point

03:45:24 mike_c: i'll get an address and let you know.

03:45:39 mircea_popescu: mike_c not that i have any yet ;/ a-hole miners ain't selling

03:45:46 Vexual: ill pay

03:45:51 mike_c: too many hoarders!

03:45:54 mircea_popescu: you got some v ?

03:45:54 asciilifeform: Mats_cd03: because the 'grandpas' (conscripts close to getting their walking papers) ate yer dinner, and the red army conveniently provided you with a dog.

03:46:14 Mats_cd03: truly man's greatest companion

03:46:16 Vexual: yah

03:46:27 mircea_popescu: Vexual pay the man!

03:46:55 Vexual: im pretty sure you can make a adkey like bitcoin?

03:46:57 nubbins`: oh yeah, i forgot

03:47:04 nubbins`: vexual is huge into atc isn't he?

03:47:06 mircea_popescu: i have no idea.

03:47:21 Vexual: yeah man i found 8 blocks

03:47:24 nubbins`: nice

03:47:27 nubbins`: congrats

03:47:42 nubbins`: that's altmazing

03:47:54 Vexual: its supersceded my single radeon now

03:47:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.00092143 = 12.5314 BTC [-]

03:48:15 mircea_popescu: what's diff like ?

03:48:18 nubbins`: grown up already

03:48:45 Vexual: dunno i gave up

03:48:46 nubbins`: mircea_popescu, apparently btcguild merge-mines it now

03:48:55 Vexual: altname>?

03:49:07 nubbins`: i kid ;(

03:49:10 mircea_popescu: My thesis about taper is that the banks in the U.S. had mortgage bonds on their books probably close to the tune of a trillion dollars that they could not sell to anyone. It was dead money, and they had to write them off somehow. The problem with writing off close to a trillion dollars? worth of mortgage bonds that were held in all the U.S. banks is that kind of money is probably more than the total market capitali

03:49:10 mircea_popescu: zation of the U.S. banking industry. So, they had to figure a way to get those mortgage bonds off the books of the banks and silo them somewhere without basically admitting that the U.S. banking system was insolvent.?

03:49:22 mircea_popescu: (Rob Kirby)

03:49:57 Mats_cd03: the eurozone is about to experience the same thing are they not

03:50:04 nubbins`: the history of us banking is pretty much "we had to figure out how to pretend we didn't shit the bed"

03:50:14 Mats_cd03: i recall something on reuters, although min was 1bln rather than 1t

03:50:26 mircea_popescu: basically, the fed has about 2-3 trillion worth of dead money in its 4trn balance sheet.

03:50:36 nubbins`: "maybe if we make it illegal to own white sheets" etc

03:50:44 mircea_popescu: nubbins` central banking, yes.

03:50:45 Vexual: whois bonds for bitcoin

03:50:52 mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 not quite. no eu fed, fortunately.

03:51:13 mod6: atc diff: 16384.00000000

03:51:20 nubbins`: bank of canada governor got hired by the bank of england a while ago

03:51:22 mircea_popescu: mod6 whoa that setlltes the bet.

03:51:38 nubbins`: summer i think

03:52:14 mod6: wow: "blocks" : 15753

03:52:35 mod6: was at like ~12000 on saturday

03:52:40 mircea_popescu: only ?!

03:52:44 mircea_popescu: can't be 15k get out.

03:52:47 Vexual: even

03:52:50 mod6: but diff was 4096 then too

03:52:54 Mats_cd03: mircea_popescu: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/03/europe-banks-emergingmarkets-idUSL5N0L82MO20140203

03:53:21 Mats_cd03: so...not at all like what i was thinking about

03:53:35 mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 "exposure to emerging markets" != "money nobody is ever repaying, period".

03:53:50 mircea_popescu: yes, i get it, the us is trying to create a periphery crisis to (yet again) shift the focus.

03:54:09 mircea_popescu: the previous attempts didn't work, as nobody really cares what the english press is saying outside of the us space anyway.

03:55:02 mircea_popescu: it's mostly a case of a guy with terminal cancer inventing sneezes and other health emergencies in the hospital staff.

03:55:10 Mats_cd03: im curious to see how the power dynamic between the us and china changes as the chinese move into a consumption phase

03:55:26 Vexual: lol consumption phase

03:55:31 mircea_popescu: the chinese ain't moving into the consumption phase tho

03:55:39 Vexual: they couldnt slow growth if they nuked bejing

03:55:45 mircea_popescu: they might have, maybe, unlikely. this crisis is saving them from it for suire.

03:56:45 Mats_cd03: a friend of mine who designs env filtration systems told me some good stories about china

03:57:11 Mats_cd03: he was there this last year for six months in the north, and apparently everything is literally polluted

03:57:43 Mats_cd03: e.g. in the touristy areas of beijing/shanghai they sometimes spray the grass green

03:57:43 Vexual: welsome to earth

03:57:53 nubbins`: !t h hif

03:57:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK:HIF] 1D: 0.00044000 / 0.00049062 / 0.00050000 (9498 shares, 4.65993879 BTC), 7D: 0.00040500 / 0.00046139 / 0.00050000 (21474 shares, 9.90794302 BTC), 30D: 0.00038011 / 0.00046314 / 0.00050000 (94276 shares, 43.66333216 BTC)

03:58:09 Mats_cd03: there was also a good one about pigs being poisoned by some feed or other

03:58:28 Mats_cd03: which he happened to see driving by a local river

03:58:40 Mats_cd03: said pigs were floating in the dozens downstream

03:58:55 Mats_cd03: i wish i had gotten that photo from him...

03:59:13 asciilifeform: 'patience is to sit on a river bank and wait for the corpse of your enemy to come floating by'

03:59:19 Mats_cd03: .cn farmer said fuck it i'll just dump these pig bodies into the water and try again

04:00:27 Mats_cd03: he claims literally every single source of water in china is polluted

04:00:45 nubbins`: "If you go to that subreddit [doge] people don't know what the fark they are doing but it doesn't matter--they are tipping, they are giving to charity, they are having FUN. Everyone is friendly and very excited--it's a very stark contrast to here. There seems to be a lot of new crypto users joining there instead of here. A LOT of new crypto users."

04:00:55 CryptFox: Where's captian planet when you need him most?

04:00:56 nubbins`: not sure if srs

04:01:08 Vexual: how was morocco?

04:01:19 mircea_popescu: delurking lurkers say the strangest things

04:01:21 nubbins`: lovely

04:01:26 nubbins`: the countryside was nice

04:01:29 nubbins`: in particular

04:01:38 Vexual: no doubt, did they put you to work?

04:01:50 asciilifeform: meat in the sun, plenty of little users! wings a-buzzing.

04:01:52 nubbins`: too hot for work

04:01:52 mircea_popescu: nubbins` crushing doge is a lot of fun, for sure.

04:02:19 nubbins`: guy is on the verge of tears because btc isn't taking lessons from doge

04:02:36 mircea_popescu: because totally "crypto user" = fucktard saying words on rettardit.

04:02:38 nubbins`: /r/bitcoin is all grown-uppy and boring now

04:02:46 nubbins`: and mathy

04:02:52 mircea_popescu: and besides, we want more fucktards so desperately. like, not enough, must have more.

04:02:59 nubbins`: ^

04:03:04 nubbins`: a thousand times ^

04:03:27 mircea_popescu: "mpoe-pr is mean, we will all go to glbse and mpex will sink because you need US!!!1"

04:03:30 mircea_popescu: glbse sinks

04:03:35 mircea_popescu: "mpoe-pr is mean, we will all go to btct and mpex will sink because you need US!!!1"

04:03:36 nubbins`: Vexual, i met a norwegian guy one day in a village

04:03:38 mircea_popescu: btct closes

04:03:39 mircea_popescu: etc.

04:03:54 nubbins`: was checking out this place that produces argan oil

04:04:00 nubbins`: "this shit smells like hash"

04:04:07 Vexual: no doubt

04:04:12 nubbins`: but in fact it was the norwegian guy's fat draw that smelled like hash

04:04:25 nubbins`: made more sense then

04:04:28 Vexual: wheres my ship?

04:04:39 Vexual: north brah, north

04:04:55 nubbins`: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_4dCEiaRlc

04:04:56 ozbot: John Lee Hooker & Van Morrison - I Cover The Waterfront - YouTube

04:05:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18000 @ 0.00092112 = 16.5802 BTC [-]

04:05:44 nubbins`: your ship had trouble with the fog

04:11:25 Mats_cd03: i'm watching a natgeo program called Bomb Hunters

04:11:30 nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/whisky-and-wieners-paired-for-nlc-promo-1.2521368

04:11:35 ozbot: Whisky and wieners paired for NLC promo - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News

04:11:35 Mats_cd03: quite good

04:13:41 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWC7z859Psc&feature=kp

04:13:42 ozbot: The Save, by Jeff Lang - YouTube

04:15:04 Vexual: to satoshi

04:18:04 Vexual: and all kde haters

04:20:11 Vexual: not guatamalian enough?

04:25:20 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0qBaBb1Y-U

04:25:21 ozbot: Phil Collins - Sussudio (Official Video) - YouTube

04:25:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1199 @ 0.00082007 = 0.9833 BTC [-] {13}

04:26:28 mod6: srsly Vexual?

04:26:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1301 @ 0.00079993 = 1.0407 BTC [-] {2}

04:27:03 Vexual: serious

04:27:44 mod6: Suss-suss-cereal

04:30:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 62 @ 0.002984 = 0.185 BTC [+]

04:30:38 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnK3DrM0xuY

04:30:39 ozbot: Icy Blu - Pump It (Nice An' Hard) - YouTube

04:31:32 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=290799.msg4918218#msg4918218

04:31:34 ozbot: [ANN] KRAKEN.COM - Exchange Now Open with USD, EUR, BTC, LTC, XRP, NMC

04:31:35 mircea_popescu: holy shit.

04:31:42 mircea_popescu: kraken fucks up to a massive degree ;/

04:31:53 Vexual: yeah you get squid

04:31:55 mircea_popescu: dude after all the futzing they did with betas and everyhing... i'm dissapointed

04:32:04 mircea_popescu: i was srsly expecting much more of this troop.

04:32:27 mircea_popescu: and to top it off it looks like they can't cover the ~1mn damage and are splitting.

04:33:21 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=431273.msg4906752#msg4906752 << you're the fool, yo!

04:35:24 Vexual: this is why bricks and mortar casions explain their position with a taste of asphalt

04:35:53 mircea_popescu: why bother ?

04:36:06 mircea_popescu: asphalt is expensive, Mats_cd03 has to clean it afterwards etc.

04:36:10 Vexual: well in a physical environment they start to smell

04:36:18 asciilifeform: the beauty of btc is that lusers mix their own cement.

04:36:18 mircea_popescu: too true.

04:40:24 Vexual: on the internet siz weeks without a show aint shit

04:41:07 Vexual: im channeling ghosts coz that said six showers when i typed it

04:42:38 Vexual: what colour is goats shirt?

04:43:05 Vexual: 1 atc for answer

04:43:11 Vexual: zuric i win

04:44:25 Vexual: mice_c you got an ad yet?

04:46:28 Vexual: mike_c ive got shit to do

04:46:47 mike_c: not yet. i'm sure we'll bump into each other again.

04:47:25 Vexual: a bc add will suffice i think

04:47:39 Vexual: this aint lc

04:49:40 Vexual: markov says tommorrow wont do

04:49:58 mircea_popescu: lmao

04:52:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 25 @ 0.03400098 = 0.85 BTC [+] {5}

04:53:42 mike_c: btc is good? then 18B61TqudC7pwqHP1J52eJwYx7ycwFtV2p

04:53:54 Vexual: i think so

04:53:58 Vexual: nooone knows

04:56:00 Vexual: you own the privkey?

04:56:26 mike_c: um, yes?

04:56:32 Vexual: very good mr hunt

04:57:18 Vexual: sent

04:58:17 Mats_cd03: you have A(D),10(S) pre-flop what do you do

04:58:56 Mats_cd03: flop is 10JQ (D/S/S) do you play and what are your chances on 1) flush or 2) straight

05:00:42 Vexual: play the ace

05:01:10 mike_c: thanks vex. now i am diversified.

05:01:38 ThickAsThieves: "shipping after Feb 8th. AntMiner U1 is an USB miner with 1 BM1380 chip. Rated 1.6 GH/s, 2 watt power from the USB port."

05:01:50 mircea_popescu: lmao diversified.

05:02:13 ThickAsThieves: after Feb 8th, perfect!

05:02:16 mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 you fold.

05:02:30 ThickAsThieves: 500 units for 18 btc

05:03:21 Vexual: external power s dont count

05:03:28 Mats_cd03: good answer, you fold

05:04:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49250 @ 0.00092714 = 45.6616 BTC [+] {3}

05:04:28 Mats_cd03: playing A10 unsuited is bad, i wouldnt even play A10 suited if i was down

05:05:11 Vexual: i assumed the suit was favourable

05:08:34 ThickAsThieves: http://www.coindesk.com/us-postal-service-bitcoin-exchanges/

05:08:43 ThickAsThieves: http://www.maxkeiser.com/2014/02/u-s-post-office-bitcoin/

05:09:00 Mats_cd03: i forget what the odds are on a straight

05:09:20 Mats_cd03: but with a flush if there are 4 out on flop then your chances are 1/3 river+turn

05:09:47 mike_c: really?

05:10:03 Mats_cd03: i read it in a book once

05:12:25 Vexual: gotta look in the eyes

05:12:33 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUvueqBJhJs

05:12:35 ozbot: Damian & Stephen Marley & Inner Circle - Smoke Gets In My Eyes (original version) - YouTube

05:15:09 Vexual: otherwise play the ace

05:15:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 420 @ 0.002984 = 1.2533 BTC [+]

05:15:59 Vexual: poker is raerely won on odds

05:16:08 Mats_cd03: against scrubs, maybe

05:16:19 Vexual: seals fucker?

05:16:27 Mats_cd03: i subscribe to the four levels of poker

05:16:39 Vexual: do tell

05:17:10 Mats_cd03: 1) playing the cards 2) playing the opposition 3) playing what you think the opposition has 4) playing based on what you believe the opposition believes you hold

05:17:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 80 @ 0.04178024 = 3.3424 BTC [-] {8}

05:17:48 Vexual: its more of a cham,pur tho no?

05:17:58 Mats_cd03: wut

05:18:00 Vexual: le mis?

05:18:06 mike_c: 5) play based on what the opposition believes you believe the opposition believes you hold

05:18:09 Vexual: *le mix?

05:18:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 60 @ 0.02998996 = 1.7994 BTC [+] {6}

05:18:28 ThickAsThieves: 6) Go with your gut

05:18:50 Mats_cd03: too many levels, i'm falling off a bridge into a lake from inside a van

05:19:31 ThickAsThieves: so the USG takes over money transfer via the Post Office?

05:19:59 Mats_cd03: i like that

05:20:03 ThickAsThieves: kill off Western Union

05:20:04 Vexual: ive already told matty im playing every ace, so hes behind

05:20:46 ThickAsThieves: at least then they keep more tx in their purview

05:20:56 ThickAsThieves: dirty up them coins real good

05:21:50 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMYWC0tMZsk

05:21:51 ozbot: Matty B - Fridays - YouTube

05:22:11 Mats_cd03: western union is worse than aids

05:22:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 11 @ 0.02969 = 0.3266 BTC [-]

05:22:29 Vexual: goodles not looking to implelent wu

05:23:03 ThickAsThieves: what the price of tea in china in bitcoin?

05:23:14 Vexual: or do you mean you're not sure if you got it or not?

05:23:52 Vexual: 0.0001 per refil?

05:24:02 ThickAsThieves: aids?

05:24:03 mircea_popescu: 7) you are the god of poker so just play whatever you feel like

05:24:03 ThickAsThieves: nah i'm clean

05:24:04 mircea_popescu: and it'll sort out in the end

05:24:14 Vexual: 7 has it

05:24:47 Vexual: yeah wester union is like aids coz you dont know if you got it

05:25:13 Vexual: and otherways not so much

05:26:14 Mats_cd03: no theres no subtext wu just sucks

05:26:29 Vexual: yeah, wait 6 weeks for nothing special

05:27:07 Vexual: a-holes

05:27:29 Mats_cd03: i dont get why it costs so much or takes so long

05:27:39 Mats_cd03: theyre flipping bits and manning retail locations

05:28:11 Mats_cd03: what a genius, hateful business model

05:31:31 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hKiePrCV8o

05:31:32 ozbot: Jacob Miller - Tenement Yard - YouTube

05:31:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18900 @ 0.00092763 = 17.5322 BTC [+]

05:32:03 ThickAsThieves: speed just isnt as profitable for them

05:32:22 ThickAsThieves: of course soon it will be

05:32:37 Vexual: will they start sending bc?

05:32:38 ThickAsThieves: i suspect they se it coming

05:32:43 ThickAsThieves: see

05:33:03 ThickAsThieves: when?

05:33:09 ThickAsThieves: when their lawyers say ok

05:34:12 Vexual: meanwhile google has already tooled up wallet

05:35:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 300 @ 0.0005 = 0.15 BTC [-]

05:36:16 Vexual: because matercard lawyers

05:36:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.111 BTC [-]

05:36:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC

05:36:46 Vexual: and satoshi prevails

05:39:55 Vexual: its well clever

05:40:05 Mats_cd03: when 99% of your revenue is from ads, you can do wutever you want

05:41:43 Vexual: knowing what kind of shampoo i use aint no ace

05:46:01 Vexual: for everything else, theres bitcoin

05:46:53 mod6: :]

05:48:15 ThickAsThieves: for the altcoiner who has everything, bitcoin

05:48:41 ThickAsThieves: for the altcoiner who has everything, Altcoin*

05:48:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18084 @ 0.00092588 = 16.7436 BTC [-]

05:49:02 mircea_popescu: lol

05:49:37 ThickAsThieves: so does this coingeninator have any hope of existing?

05:49:47 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg4920519#msg4920519

05:49:51 mircea_popescu: you got your work cut out for you.

05:50:07 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves actually, yes

05:50:25 jayk: nope

05:51:19 jayk: ;o

05:51:51 mircea_popescu: ". For many people, Bitcoin is the first time they experienced a paradigm shift in a very long time. It's exciting to have your world rocked, but Bitcoin is not a casting call for paradigm-shifters"

05:51:53 mircea_popescu: dude i love you.

05:51:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00092763 = 3.1539 BTC [+]

05:53:48 Vexual: doeth fridcats trading system exist at all yet?

05:54:52 ThickAsThieves: it exists

05:54:57 ThickAsThieves: i dont really know why they dont implement

05:55:05 ThickAsThieves: i think its a horrible idea

05:55:11 ThickAsThieves: maybe they came to same realization

05:55:11 Vexual: well you would

05:55:25 ThickAsThieves: no, all bias aside for reals

05:55:47 ThickAsThieves: FC doesnt want more customer service

05:55:51 herbijudlestoids: trollsaywhat!

05:55:58 ThickAsThieves: (i assume)

05:56:32 Vexual: yeah

05:58:21 Vexual: whod be a pimp huh?

06:01:05 Namworld: Advertising on BitBet is good. I'd recommend.

06:01:18 mircea_popescu: o srsly ?

06:01:27 Namworld: Why, yes

06:01:39 mircea_popescu: cool

06:01:48 mircea_popescu: i was just wondering how it works in report footnotes :p

06:02:36 Namworld: footnotes?

06:03:35 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/bitbet-january-2014-statement/#footnote_3_52636

06:03:36 ozbot: BitBet, January 2014 Statement pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

06:04:22 mircea_popescu: and with that my dear chitlins i bid you a very good laters!

06:10:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9216 @ 0.00092588 = 8.5329 BTC [-]

06:11:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12184 @ 0.00092446 = 11.2636 BTC [-]

06:11:24 Vexual: ThickAsThieves, is it on testnet?

06:13:53 ThickAsThieves: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1wylq6/if_you_ever_used_bitinstant_in_the_past_i_bet/

06:13:54 ozbot: If you ever used bitinstant in the past, I bet MtGox just locked the funding options on your account

06:14:04 ThickAsThieves: Vexual i dont know

06:14:11 ThickAsThieves: dunno current status

06:16:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00092446 = 6.1939 BTC [-]

06:25:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39318 @ 0.00092175 = 36.2414 BTC [-] {3}

06:30:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 227 @ 0.0005 = 0.1135 BTC [-]

06:32:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29393 @ 0.00092041 = 27.0536 BTC [-] {2}

06:39:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25300 @ 0.00092098 = 23.3008 BTC [+]

06:40:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12 BTC [+]

06:49:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.12299999 = 0.615 BTC [+] {2}

06:52:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.14489999 BTC [+]

07:15:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10232 @ 0.00092098 = 9.4235 BTC [+]

07:27:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 87083 @ 0.00011979 = 10.4317 BTC [+] {2}

07:32:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 14 @ 0.5691522 = 7.9681 BTC [-] {7}

07:33:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.55 = 1.1 BTC [-]

07:33:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.24310363 = 0.9724 BTC

07:36:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 29 @ 0.54547241 = 15.8187 BTC [-] {10}

07:38:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14366 @ 0.0009272 = 13.3202 BTC [+]

07:48:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.148 = 0.296 BTC [+]

07:49:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9750 @ 0.00092156 = 8.9852 BTC [-] {2}

07:49:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 23 @ 0.15 = 3.45 BTC [+] {2}

07:54:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.15 BTC [+]

08:29:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.15 BTC [+]

08:32:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 5 @ 0.0445 = 0.2225 BTC [+]

08:44:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00092378 = 10.6235 BTC [+] {3}

09:00:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.115 BTC [-]

09:00:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.14 BTC [-]

09:02:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC

09:31:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.24310363 = 0.9724 BTC

09:40:02 kakobrekla: we lost about 100km of 440kV line

09:42:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29307 @ 0.00092062 = 26.9806 BTC [-] {2}

09:43:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5593 @ 0.00091992 = 5.1451 BTC [-]

10:01:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7341 @ 0.00091992 = 6.7531 BTC [-]

10:06:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1937 @ 0.00092309 = 1.788 BTC [+]

10:17:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.24310363 = 0.9724 BTC

10:26:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.24310363 = 0.9724 BTC

10:28:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26762 @ 0.00092742 = 24.8196 BTC [+]

10:37:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04549998 = 0.2275 BTC [+] {2}

10:42:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00092744 = 4.4517 BTC [+] {2}

10:56:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35000 @ 0.00092766 = 32.4681 BTC [+] {4}

10:58:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 32 @ 0.00469188 = 0.1501 BTC [-] {4}

11:01:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 18 @ 0.02969 = 0.5344 BTC [-]

11:01:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.16572999 = 3.3146 BTC [+] {10}

11:06:30 herbijud1estoids: hullo

11:06:32 herbijud1estoids: anyone about

11:10:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.18 = 0.72 BTC [+]

11:15:05 jurov: hi herbi

11:18:39 herbijud1estoids: whats happening jurov?

11:18:48 herbijud1estoids: seems like youre the only one around this time of night

11:19:31 jurov: lol i'm in cest. just came from lunch

11:19:39 jurov: *er... CET

11:20:13 jurov: gonna have coffee, look around the btcland

11:20:17 herbijud1estoids: in australia there is a website called menulog that allows you to order from local resturaunts (that participate) online...lots of them have deals, my fav one delivered me free dinner tonight :D

11:20:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.24310363 = 0.9724 BTC

11:20:26 jurov: and hen work some... one of these slow days

11:21:17 jurov: yees, smae here

11:21:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 22 @ 0.02969 = 0.6532 BTC [-]

11:21:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.57986674 BTC [+]

11:21:39 jurov: but when one has good restaurant over a corner

11:22:08 jurov: where they serve you menu for 4.35 euro (and they cook well, rarely i have to order something else)

11:22:19 jurov: why bother calling pizza man?

11:22:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7 @ 0.24310363 = 1.7017 BTC {2}

11:22:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00092812 = 12.8081 BTC [+] {2}

11:24:02 jurov: yurp way of life, ya know...everything in walking distance

11:27:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16831 @ 0.0009292 = 15.6394 BTC [+] {2}

11:28:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5369 @ 0.00092942 = 4.9901 BTC [+]

11:28:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 45 @ 0.0049 = 0.2205 BTC [+]

11:32:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 24 @ 0.00500831 = 0.1202 BTC [+] {2}

11:34:33 cazalla: i used menulog until they fucked me

11:40:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC

11:42:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC

11:43:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20650 @ 0.00092946 = 19.1933 BTC [+] {2}

11:50:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 17 @ 0.00595746 = 0.1013 BTC [+]

11:54:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 21 @ 0.04696427 = 0.9862 BTC [+] {3}

11:56:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5357 @ 0.00092954 = 4.9795 BTC [+]

11:59:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14500 @ 0.00092954 = 13.4783 BTC [+]

12:03:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 22 @ 0.00698568 = 0.1537 BTC [+] {2}

12:04:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8736 @ 0.00092581 = 8.0879 BTC [-]

12:07:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 14 @ 0.0077005 = 0.1078 BTC [+]

12:09:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.0825 = 0.165 BTC [-] {2}

12:11:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.00092601 = 15.1866 BTC [+]

12:11:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.24310363 = 0.7293 BTC

12:14:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 70 @ 0.0058 = 0.406 BTC [-]

12:16:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.56999997 BTC [-]

12:16:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 14 @ 0.00776871 = 0.1088 BTC [+] {3}

12:25:05 kakobrekla: i dont particularly like eating outside

12:29:12 chetty: cooking for yourself = better/safer/cheaper

12:29:37 kakobrekla: i dunno about safer but yeah, better and cheaper

12:29:44 kakobrekla: :)

12:30:12 kakobrekla: but i enjoy privacy really, and you normally dont get that eating outside

12:31:19 truffles: nobody cares that u like blood sausauages

12:32:05 davout: blood sausage is awesome and i do care

12:32:47 truffles: orly

12:32:54 jurov: if you like cooking for yourself that's awesome

12:33:05 jurov: i just gave up

12:33:20 kakobrekla: no no

12:33:24 kakobrekla: i like other cooking for me

12:33:28 kakobrekla: others

12:33:51 kakobrekla: just make it in my kitchen

12:34:08 truffles: davout can u make it?

12:34:28 kakobrekla: truffles i slaugthered a pig and drained the blood for those when i was a kid

12:34:38 kakobrekla: also made the sausages (but at a different time)

12:34:45 davout: as in cook it? or actually make it?

12:34:51 kakobrekla: make them

12:34:52 truffles: make the whole thing

12:34:55 davout: ah no

12:35:01 truffles: kako ure such a brute

12:35:17 kakobrekla: you are such pussy

12:35:23 truffles: hehe

12:35:36 truffles: u wouldnt say that standing next to me :D

12:35:56 kakobrekla: you think id have a problem draining your blood?

12:36:06 truffles: ud have to get it 1st

12:36:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.56999999 BTC [+]

12:36:37 truffles: not that pigs just stand there and take it put

12:37:07 truffles: hmm maybe they do nm

12:37:07 kakobrekla: the pig was prolly two or three times your weight

12:37:17 jurov: we did not have pigs, but chicken,and my fav food were dumplings made from fresh chicken blood

12:37:22 kakobrekla: well, i didnt do it alone ofc.

12:37:26 davout: (and half the smell)

12:37:29 jurov: helped to mde them too

12:37:31 truffles: exactly

12:37:35 truffles: it wasnt a solo job

12:37:42 truffles: a human would make more effort

12:37:54 kakobrekla: well i think you make an excellent case study

12:37:56 kakobrekla: come on over

12:38:00 truffles: haha

12:38:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16644 @ 0.00092601 = 15.4125 BTC [+]

12:38:54 truffles: if u invite me i might not leave :D

12:39:02 kakobrekla: you defo wont leave.

12:39:07 truffles: lol

12:39:16 jurov: we can propose to mircea to put complete pig slaughter into conference program

12:39:37 kakobrekla: yeah like team building excercise

12:39:44 kakobrekla: GET THAT PIG!!

12:40:03 jurov: and only excuse taken would be to swore under the law one's vegetarian

12:40:16 kakobrekla: fuck veggs, they smell bad.

12:40:59 truffles: not the other way around?

12:41:21 kakobrekla: smell vegs, they fuck bad?

12:41:39 truffles: ive heard their parts smell nice

12:41:54 kakobrekla: bout as nice as cows.

12:42:42 kakobrekla: once i went on a trip with some people for bout 10 days

12:42:45 truffles: thats something u could actually do trial for!!

12:42:54 kakobrekla: only later found out they are all veggies

12:43:02 kakobrekla: it was horrible.

12:43:22 truffles: because carrots?

12:43:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18125 @ 0.00092749 = 16.8108 BTC [+] {3}

12:44:12 jurov: tbh, as long as they cook well, i don't give a fuck. i was on similar such retreats, rainbow family and whatnot

12:44:39 kakobrekla: they were all farting like a motherfuckers

12:44:51 kakobrekla: it also affected me

12:44:54 kakobrekla: i couldnt stand myself

12:45:09 truffles: there are some things id like to try like tofu or certain veggie as meat substitutes

12:45:11 jurov: pffft, a little cereal coffee will do

12:45:46 kakobrekla: or a little meat

12:45:49 kakobrekla: ya know

12:46:38 jurov: i found out i actually fart most from bread

12:46:58 jurov: as long as they cooked veggies and legumes, it was fine

12:48:34 truffles: kako will take notes on that jurov

12:49:11 jurov: on what? the pig slaughter? yes go on, by all means

12:49:26 kakobrekla: the what?

12:49:34 truffles: dietry requirements

12:49:49 truffles: a

12:49:49 kakobrekla: dont ya have better things to do?

12:50:04 truffles: me? no

12:50:10 kakobrekla: so sad.

12:50:22 truffles: i was midway doing "better thing"

12:50:27 jurov: and i haven't even close to some requirements

12:50:46 jurov: cuz i was talking about things i don't give a fuck of, not requirements

12:51:05 jurov: as long as it tastes good i can't be bothered if there's meat or no

12:51:30 truffles: dont u dislike when uve done something, it has updated now u have to refigure out how it works!

12:51:39 truffles: +1 jurov

12:52:02 mircea_popescu: that's like bisexuality. "as long as i feel good i don't care if there's meat or not"

12:52:24 jurov: oh, that' more like pansexuality

12:52:28 truffles: 0.0

12:52:35 mircea_popescu: i guess so.

12:52:40 mircea_popescu: s/meat/manmeat

12:53:48 jurov: truffles and what i have to refigure?

12:53:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.13585714 = 0.951 BTC [-] {4}

12:53:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC

12:53:59 truffles: i do not u ldo

12:54:16 truffles: its like playing chess again in years

12:54:29 truffles: id like to complete this chess thing asap

12:54:40 truffles: nubbins.........

12:54:58 jurov: good things come to those who wait

12:55:09 BingoBoingo: truffles: play nubbins' yet? Has Namworld?

12:55:16 truffles: i dont know

12:55:30 truffles: if it doesnt happen soon im gonna be like watevz

12:55:42 mircea_popescu: diametric re the structure and hierarchy discussion : consider this problem http://fraudsters.com/2014/how-to-make-money-on-the-internet-while-pretending-you-know-what-youre-talking-about-and-accumulating-a-legion-of-mindless-followers-for-fun-and-profit/

12:55:45 truffles: rather play speed chess

12:55:55 mircea_popescu: strictly an artefact of the flat national state. does not exist in sane environments.

12:56:10 mircea_popescu: and it is fundamentally not a scam, but an example of structure ATTACKING flatness.

12:56:37 truffles: is that your manual mp?

12:56:42 truffles: must be juicy read

12:56:43 mircea_popescu: structure is being reconstructed, which at the very far edge of course looks quite immoral. everything does. the civilising of barbarians, be they africans or 5 year olds, the birth of capitaism,

12:56:58 mircea_popescu: all attacks of a complex, superior system upon a primitive look like rape. in a sense they are.

12:57:38 mircea_popescu: in that sense, rape is the best thing that can ever happen to the victim.

12:57:46 truffles: sigh

12:58:27 mircea_popescu: converse attacks, where flatness attacks structure, can't even exist.

12:58:34 kakobrekla: hahahhahaha

12:58:36 kakobrekla: what the fuck

12:58:37 mircea_popescu: ThickerThanThiev ^

12:58:39 kakobrekla: Dear Crypto Street Customers,

12:58:39 kakobrekla: This is the final notice for you to withdraw any funds that you may have remaining on Crypto Street. Effective February 28th, all remaining funds will be lost forever and donated away. So please login and withdraw any coins in your account. Big news is coming, but for now we need to take care of these house keeping details.

12:58:39 kakobrekla: Sincerely,

12:58:39 kakobrekla: Shamoon

12:58:49 mircea_popescu: whoa ?

12:59:00 mircea_popescu: you had funds on cryptostreet ?!

12:59:28 kakobrekla: sometimes i think you dont know me any more

12:59:30 truffles: everything must go

12:59:36 kakobrekla: ofc i did not

12:59:38 mircea_popescu: lol

12:59:44 kakobrekla: i was however bashing them on the forums

12:59:47 kakobrekla: when they lauched

12:59:52 kakobrekla: and was the slanderous soul

12:59:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.24310363 = 1.2155 BTC

12:59:59 kakobrekla: HOW DARE YOU KAKO !!

13:00:14 mircea_popescu: it's prolly your fault they did it.

13:00:32 kakobrekla: whats important is that im the bad guy

13:00:39 kakobrekla: everywhere and always

13:00:54 jurov: you should have silenced them with boobs, like mpoe does

13:00:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29400 @ 0.00092566 = 27.2144 BTC [-] {3}

13:01:47 mircea_popescu: jurov indeed. being in the minority always helps.

13:01:57 mircea_popescu: (on the internet i mean)

13:02:24 kakobrekla: latest from slovenia zoo: lynx ate a chamois

13:02:31 mircea_popescu: wait why !?

13:02:38 kakobrekla: cause fense got torn down

13:02:45 kakobrekla: falling trees

13:02:53 mircea_popescu: i wonder how hungry a lynx has to get before it eats the chamois

13:03:04 kakobrekla: dunno

13:03:15 kakobrekla: they said they gave them more than normal amts of food

13:03:26 kakobrekla: in order to prevent such things

13:03:27 mircea_popescu: does look kinda juicy...

13:04:48 mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/745/fico-will-be-elected-president-of-slovakia/ << i can't believe there's like 4 btc bet on who will be the president of slovakia

13:04:52 ozbot: BitBet - Fico will be elected President of Slovakia

13:05:13 mircea_popescu: watch that by 2016 the us pres election fails to gather that much attention.

13:05:43 jurov: this is how boob silencing is done irl: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAdNS_vlBhA#t=2075

13:05:43 mircea_popescu: and it will be one of the funniest things in the entire history of btc / the century.

13:06:19 mircea_popescu: jurov couple old boobs keep talkin at each other ?

13:06:25 jurov: wait 10sec

13:06:38 mircea_popescu: ofeljie...

13:06:49 mircea_popescu: that sounds EXACTLY like o felie, which in romanian means "one loaf"

13:08:00 mircea_popescu: ahaha next scene

13:08:15 mircea_popescu: why the fuck has miss bdsm got 3 watches on ?

13:09:29 jurov: it was 1990s

13:11:05 mircea_popescu: lol

13:11:16 mircea_popescu: so what, she's a psychotic prostitute you gotta pay in watches ?

13:11:18 mircea_popescu: one per number ?

13:12:19 jurov: dunno.. cezch film, you know,

13:12:23 davout: her teeth...

13:12:38 mircea_popescu: davout it's clearly paint.

13:13:55 mircea_popescu: i like how there's all the shitty halfcountries represented here. romania but no hungary, slovakia but no czech, slovenia but no croatia etc.

13:14:16 kakobrekla: erm

13:14:21 mircea_popescu: :D

13:14:26 kakobrekla: its the croatia that is the half county

13:14:30 kakobrekla: for the rest, i dont care.

13:14:41 mircea_popescu: my sarcasm! ehehehe

13:15:01 kakobrekla: :)

13:15:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40100 @ 0.0009302 = 37.301 BTC [+] {4}

13:15:20 mircea_popescu: if teh other romanians find out i said that about hungary ima have protests at the front door

13:15:29 kakobrekla: :D

13:15:34 mircea_popescu: course, what do tghey know of btc anyway.

13:16:11 jurov: ukraine needs to split too, we'll get more ppl here

13:16:27 mircea_popescu: maybe there's a guy from transnistria going "he-he-he" in his head right now.

13:17:18 pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=297503.msg4922332#msg4922332 amazing security

13:17:18 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

13:17:20 ozbot: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated]

13:17:27 mircea_popescu: wait, still with this ?!

13:17:48 mircea_popescu: who was that dude going on about how art should be tyrant and there should be no memory ?

13:17:59 davout: pankkake: LOL

13:18:07 mircea_popescu: cause srsly, he's like the gold bugs : all his life preaching, now we're doing it and somehow he doesn't know about it.

13:19:22 mircea_popescu: "If you don't think these are a steal you haven't researched the company.

13:19:22 mircea_popescu: This price values us at a meagre 12 million USD for the entire 25mill shares."

13:19:25 mircea_popescu: so much win.

13:20:00 pankkake: getting logged as another user is actually a common bug, usually bad session rng

13:20:06 mircea_popescu: guy never saw a 10k bundle in his life, "meagre 12mn"

13:20:31 kakobrekla: http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jan/31/footage-released-guardian-editors-snowden-hard-drives-gchq

13:20:32 ozbot: Footage released of Guardian editors destroying Snowden hard drives | UK news | theguardian.com

13:20:48 kakobrekla: drill the gpu

13:20:53 mircea_popescu: welcome to the internet kakobrekla. glad you got your power back. skip 3 days of "news" nao :D

13:20:53 pankkake: no backups?

13:21:01 kakobrekla: lol

13:21:01 Duffer1: if he's not a sock for ken himself then i get to look forward to commiserating with another scam victim

13:21:05 kakobrekla: im going back dark mp

13:21:10 kakobrekla: soon

13:21:14 mircea_popescu: how come ?

13:21:23 mircea_popescu: Duffer1 he sounds too stupid to ever admit it

13:21:34 kakobrekla: well the word is they will START to fix my area on SUNDAY

13:21:37 mircea_popescu: odds are he'll dump more of his meagre 0.000001 million on some other scammer.

13:21:47 kakobrekla: until then my house is powerless

13:21:53 Duffer1: you're not wrong

13:21:59 mircea_popescu: dude, seriously, come here. what's the big deal ? rent a place for a month, then go back.

13:22:20 kakobrekla: now im at another place in ljubljana

13:22:22 mircea_popescu: life is all about cheating.

13:22:31 mircea_popescu: ok, so they losing power too ?

13:23:19 kakobrekla: no, all is ok here, but i need to go back home to take care of some stuff

13:23:34 mircea_popescu: fuck the stuff, who cares. it's just stuff.

13:23:44 mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvgN5gCuLac

13:23:45 ozbot: George Carlin Talks About "Stuff" - YouTube

13:23:49 kakobrekla: well, the lifes of people are invovled

13:24:00 kakobrekla: lives

13:24:20 mircea_popescu: o

13:25:06 kakobrekla: then ill come back here

13:25:16 kakobrekla: either today late or tomorrow

13:25:34 kakobrekla: until sunday or something.

13:26:05 mircea_popescu: aite.

13:26:24 mircea_popescu: seriously look at 1 month sort of arrangements now.

13:26:35 mircea_popescu: you're better off wasting 0.2 BTC worth of rents

13:26:44 mircea_popescu: than having to patchwork twice every week

13:26:50 kakobrekla: the money is not the problem

13:27:03 mircea_popescu: right.

13:29:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 9 @ 0.24310363 = 2.1879 BTC

13:30:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 4 @ 0.0475 = 0.19 BTC [+] {2}

13:34:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20500 @ 0.00092526 = 18.9678 BTC [-]

13:37:25 kakobrekla: http://ponzi.io/

13:37:31 kakobrekla: >Discuss Ponzi.io with fellow investors

13:37:35 kakobrekla: investors.

13:37:55 davout: hah

13:38:16 pankkake: it's honest and transparent

13:38:20 davout: i can't recall the name of the site that did the exact same thing in 2010

13:38:30 davout: MAYBE I GOT A PAYOUT !

13:38:58 davout: wait

13:39:06 davout: what we need is a provably fair ponzi

13:39:54 davout: oh wait

13:40:05 pankkake: it already is, I think

13:40:10 davout: yes

13:40:19 davout: i didn't realize the addy was static

13:40:37 mircea_popescu: i didn't realise static addies were usable or useful.

13:40:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12650 @ 0.0009296 = 11.7594 BTC [+]

13:42:24 mircea_popescu: http://31.media.tumblr.com/45b61e5e90a0e95d17daf51aba7254bb/tumblr_mhbnsvbRsF1ru15g3o1_500.jpg << speaking of "deer in the headlights"

13:43:08 kakobrekla: looks like farting position

13:44:06 davout: doesn't look like they're resending from the same address tho

13:44:22 mircea_popescu: hahaha farting position

13:44:27 kakobrekla: 14:43.58 ( Ken` ) 8:43 AM <RaTTuS|BIG> [11:52] <BitCoroner> MagicalTux: why can't we see the raw transactions anymore on https://data.mtgox.com/api/0/bitcoin_tx.php ?

13:44:27 kakobrekla: 14:43.59 ( Ken` ) 8:43 AM <RaTTuS|BIG> [11:53] <@MagicalTux> BitCoroner, because phantomcircuit found a security issue with showing this

13:44:28 mircea_popescu: i didn't know girls farted.

13:44:47 kakobrekla: konspiraci

13:44:48 mircea_popescu: lol wait. wut !? phantomcircuit FINDS security holes ?

13:44:52 mircea_popescu: i thought he just makes them

13:45:01 davout: mircea_popescu: they usually start a couple weeks after marriage

13:45:10 kakobrekla: at this point i think phantom has all gox btc

13:45:31 mircea_popescu: davout i once heard anal sex momentarily paralyzes the colon. so if you do her in the pooper three times a month...

13:45:36 mircea_popescu: no farting.

13:45:50 davout: heh

13:46:07 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla that's a great move, seeing how well he handled bitcoinica. the only reasonable explanation, being, of course, that "all mtgox btc" = ~18.5 ALT

13:46:24 kakobrekla: the refunded the broken txes but now the success rate of making a withdrawal is even lower, down to 25%

13:46:27 kakobrekla: they*

13:46:36 kakobrekla: just what im hearing

13:46:50 mircea_popescu: (i wonder how many people noticed the general pattern where people start doing deals with known scammers putting them in a fiduciary capacity as they're preparing to plausibly-deniably close up shop)

13:47:05 Duffer1: more about ActM - turns out trading for shares is open, on Crypto-Trade, but only one person has shares to sell, Ken, 200,000 at .0005

13:47:25 Duffer1: everyone is being kept waiting while he dumps

13:47:31 mircea_popescu: Duffer1 d'oh.

13:47:47 mircea_popescu: much competition for mpex such wow etc.

13:47:52 Duffer1: hehe

13:49:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 8 @ 0.24310363 = 1.9448 BTC

13:50:49 mircea_popescu: fun fact : mtgox is pretty much the last remaining thing since the days before mpoe/mpex iirc.

13:52:09 kakobrekla: fun fact: bitstamp is getting sold

13:52:46 Duffer1: who bought? panama fund?

13:52:47 mircea_popescu: who's buying ?

13:53:33 kakobrekla: i dont know who since even this fact that its being sold was leaked but i do know the supposed date

13:54:16 jurov: inb4 nejc bought private jet

13:54:32 jurov: i hope he won't sell it to panama :D

13:54:50 BingoBoingo: Prolly sold BitStamp to jimmothy

13:55:09 Duffer1: ah jimmothy

13:55:25 Duffer1: i have taken to trolling him via haiku, i hope he keeps posting, i have more

13:56:56 mircea_popescu: Duffer1 he's really a poster child of 2013 retardation. i've had his history reviewed, he's pretty much all about all the wrong choices.

13:57:08 mircea_popescu: funny how people manage this, it fascinates me.

13:57:47 mircea_popescu: total dividend asicminer may still be paying ? "Just based off last years profit maybe another 200k btc"

13:58:00 pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg4921544#msg4921544

13:58:02 Duffer1: o.0

13:58:03 ozbot: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It

13:58:19 mircea_popescu: "Hoping colored coins takes off. I've heard mastercoin has a few cool features but that doesn't matter if its centralized."

13:58:49 mircea_popescu: it's just a brainfuckfest with him, i wish i understood how is it that people can never, absolutely never, no matter what happens make all the right choices,

13:59:00 mircea_popescu: yet about 1/3 of the population regularly makes all the wrong choices.

13:59:03 mircea_popescu: not most. all.

13:59:04 kakobrekla: inb4 NiggerCoin

13:59:14 mircea_popescu: this sounds like it shouldn't happen, statistically.

14:00:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10557 @ 0.00092526 = 9.768 BTC [-]

14:01:30 kakobrekla: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67547.msg4931563#msg4931563

14:01:33 ozbot: Starting a new FPGA mining farm/contract Cognitive Resurrected on[Havelock]

14:02:07 pankkake: you're just trying to get banned while you can't internets

14:02:17 kakobrekla: speaking of, im outtahere

14:02:21 kakobrekla: later dudes.

14:11:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11568 @ 0.000925 = 10.7004 BTC [-] {2}

14:19:01 mircea_popescu: meanwhile http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=142178311

14:21:25 pankkake: $50?!

14:22:23 mircea_popescu: well how much do you think it is.

14:22:26 davout: yeah that sounded cheap

14:23:20 pankkake: if I was her brother I'd be mad too, she can't sell herself properly

14:23:47 mircea_popescu: you seriously think going rate for avg junior hs tail is > $50 ?!

14:24:03 BingoBoingo: Maybe she figures she can gross more by bringing in volume?

14:24:41 pankkake: wouldn't underage at least provide a premium?

14:24:43 davout: why you gonna arbitrage it?

14:25:10 mircea_popescu: pankkake no. she doesn't know the buz.

14:25:32 mircea_popescu: but srsly, i think bitcoin has fucked with your heads to the degree you have no idea what work money commands.

14:25:46 mircea_popescu: $50 is a WEEK worth of bussing/dishwashing for the average mexican yo.

14:25:53 mircea_popescu: she gets it in half an hour.

14:26:38 mircea_popescu: in any major town there are literally hundreds of thousands of women under 30 living in places paid-for by the government, getting free food.

14:26:45 mircea_popescu: you think they click on lolpics all day liek teh boys ?!

14:29:03 BingoBoingo: Point taken

14:30:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3500 @ 0.000129 = 0.4515 BTC [+]

14:32:59 herbijud1estoids: hullo

14:33:22 BingoBoingo: Oh looky, who called this out in the Silk Road aftermath https://www.muckrock.com/news/archives/2014/feb/03/dea-parallel-construction-guides/

14:33:37 herbijud1estoids: so i have enough datapoints (assuming the ddos didnt disrupt my timeseries too much -- looks like it didnt) for a simple mean reversion model which works well in markets without market-makers/specialists/HFT bots

14:34:01 herbijud1estoids: anyone wanna see?

14:35:41 herbijud1estoids: http://imgur.com/Io3BDJG data isnt fresh (from ~12h ago) but the idea is buy MPOE below 50 and sell above

14:35:42 ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

14:36:01 herbijud1estoids: if there was options you could build a synthetic short

14:36:31 herbijud1estoids: i dont have enough datapoints yet to build the accompanying regime filter which tells you when market conditions are good or not for this model

14:36:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.0009211 = 12.3427 BTC [-] {2}

14:37:55 herbijud1estoids: but it looks like the trading is so 'pure' that it might not be necessary :P

14:41:15 KRS-: ,bait

14:41:38 ThickerThanThiev: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1wzdsd/bitcoinj_011_released/

14:41:39 ozbot: Bitcoinj 0.11 released : Bitcoin

14:41:48 KRS-: Assburger's Bait:

14:41:48 KRS-: http://bbsimg.ngfiles.com/1/21021000/ngbbs4bc015a542b0c.jpg

14:45:15 herbijud1estoids: nobody care :(

14:47:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00091992 = 7.2674 BTC [-]

14:49:26 ThickAsThieves: http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2014/02/nymi/

14:49:27 ozbot: Only Your Heartbeat Can Unlock This Bitcoin Wallet | Wired Enterprise | Wired.com

14:49:36 herbijud1estoids: also mircea_popescu i tried to query do a STAT with pympex but it didnt work, said i need to sign the key (which i obviously did), are you *sure* i dont need an account to run the queries?

14:50:36 davout: you need an account to stat

14:50:50 ThickAsThieves: stat tells you whats in your account, sooooo

14:51:07 herbijud1estoids: and stat is the only command that gives you the trade histories, right?

14:51:23 davout: it gives you yours

14:51:33 ThickAsThieves: kako sells data feed access

14:52:06 herbijud1estoids: he told me it was from 2012

14:52:24 ThickAsThieves: i mean live

14:52:41 mircea_popescu: herbijud1estoids http://mpex.co/faq.html#11

14:53:11 mircea_popescu: you can get the mkt depth and vwap feeds w/o any account

14:53:17 mircea_popescu: $vwap X.EUR

14:53:18 mpexbot: mircea_popescu: X.EUR 1 day: no data 7 day: average: 0.00166971 high: 0.00170089 low: 0.00166114 volume: 3200 btc: 5.343075 30 day: average: 0.00178882 high: 0.002 low: 0.0016245 volume: 21739 btc: 38.88705537

14:53:27 mircea_popescu: $depth X.EUR

14:53:28 mpexbot: mircea_popescu: X.EUR Bids: ['1200 @ 0.00166251', '4200 @ 0.0016245', '100 @ 0.00153846', '1000 @ 0.001', '100000 @ 0.0009945']

14:53:29 mircea_popescu: same thing the bot gets.

14:53:29 mpexbot: mircea_popescu: Asks: ['1061 @ 0.00168488', '2200 @ 0.001773', '1350 @ 0.0019975']

14:53:53 herbijud1estoids: ThickAsThieves: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2014#465959

14:54:00 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo dunno, do i count ?

14:54:34 mircea_popescu: herbijud1estoids 50 what, 50k satoshi ?

14:54:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1450 @ 0.00092056 = 1.3348 BTC [+]

14:55:07 herbijud1estoids: mircea_popescu: no as in when the model is reporting a number below 50 you buy at market and when it goes above 50 you sell at market

14:55:18 mircea_popescu: a a yes i see.

14:55:51 herbijud1estoids: MPOE is probly the only stock in the world valued at its current value that you could do this on the microstructure without living in the exchange...how interesting is that!

14:55:55 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Of course

14:55:57 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves an "only your orgasm shrieks can unlock this wallet" would be moar better.

14:56:25 mircea_popescu: herbijud1estoids bitcoin revolutionizes finance, if well implemented by people with a clue you say ?

14:56:28 mircea_popescu: fuck me, i'm like shocked.

14:56:36 herbijud1estoids: well, i dunno if it will last obviously

14:56:39 herbijud1estoids: but for now its the case

14:56:58 herbijud1estoids: at some point someone will come in and trade this with volume until the returns are close to cost of capital

14:56:58 mircea_popescu: me either, but still.

14:57:08 mircea_popescu: what is "cost of capital" ?

14:57:10 jurov: herbijud1estoids: wait till you want to start actually talking to mpex's congenial interface

14:57:28 jurov: or savy yourself the suffering and talk to me first ;)

14:57:31 herbijud1estoids: mircea_popescu: different for different investors, but basically whatever it cost you :P

14:58:10 herbijud1estoids: if you think you have an edge and borrow a million dollars at 3% to implement an algo that trades this, then obviously your cost of capital is 3%+R&D

14:58:49 ThickAsThieves: reminds me of a question

14:58:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1648 @ 0.00012 = 0.1978 BTC [-] {3}

14:59:12 ThickAsThieves: in Kelly criterion, what do you do given infinite EV propositions?

14:59:33 mircea_popescu: herbijud1estoids my point being that we have a serious problem in this space with that (and other) basic numbers.

14:59:36 herbijud1estoids: jurov: i really dont have the time to push this much further than i already am with work and other projects but if i get motivated and time i will definitely appreciate any help

14:59:40 mircea_popescu: according to mpbor it's something crazy like 1k% a year.

14:59:51 mircea_popescu: according to discounted future cash flow approach it's maybe 0.01% a year.

15:00:01 BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: With a time machine

15:00:05 mircea_popescu: accorfding to the largest stock in the marketplace it's more like 0.5 - 0.2% a year

15:00:14 herbijud1estoids: ThickAsThieves: i would check the model to make sure its not broken and if not probly trade on a volatility adjusted level...i like ~15%/pa STDDEV

15:00:18 mircea_popescu: that sort of divergenge can only be interpreted to mean there's turbulence.

15:00:47 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves in the universe in which the kelly criterion is meaningful, infinite ev is not possible.

15:01:15 mircea_popescu: review the http://fraudsters.com/2014/its-not-the-sauce-its-the-poultry-and-other-metamathematical-considerations/ article, it's seminal.

15:01:16 ThickAsThieves: word

15:01:42 mircea_popescu: otherwise in practical terms his heuristic sounds reasonable,

15:01:49 mircea_popescu: subject to parameter adjustment for your own convenience.

15:02:49 herbijud1estoids: MPBOR...the MP bank offered rate?

15:03:06 mircea_popescu: herbijud1estoids yeah.

15:03:13 herbijud1estoids: wheres it listed i cant see it

15:03:16 mircea_popescu: cause of the way the bondbod is financed, you familiar with that ?

15:03:21 mircea_popescu: published each month with the s.mpoe reports.

15:03:29 herbijud1estoids: ah right

15:03:31 herbijud1estoids: no sorry

15:03:40 herbijud1estoids: also its 2am here and i might be more retarded than normal

15:04:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.155 BTC [+]

15:06:20 herbijud1estoids: cost of capital isnt necessarily reflected by MPBOR

15:07:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11707 @ 0.00092043 = 10.7755 BTC [-] {2}

15:07:09 herbijud1estoids: like i said, if i borrow a million for the endeavour of trading mean reversion model on MPOE at 3%, then my returns are only dependent on MPBOR in the sense that MPOE is the business handling MPBOR

15:07:26 herbijud1estoids: million USD, for example

15:08:17 herbijud1estoids: the twitter feed is fucking gold. i will learn how to pull data from it tomorrow and see if i can make some interesting graphs

15:08:57 herbijud1estoids: maybe just httrack and grep/awk could be sufficient

15:09:55 herbijud1estoids: mircea_popescu: do you have a formal education in finance of any sort?

15:09:57 mircea_popescu: herbijud1estoids sadly it meanwhile got canned "for spam"

15:10:03 mircea_popescu: but you can use the rss.

15:10:16 mircea_popescu: herbijud1estoids no. i have a personal education in finance.

15:10:38 herbijud1estoids: hope someone has congratulated you on the awesome thing you built and if not, congrats

15:10:46 mircea_popescu: ty. it does happen occasionally.

15:11:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 400 @ 0.00298072 = 1.1923 BTC [+] {3}

15:11:11 mircea_popescu: as a rule tho, people lack the intellectual sophistication to have and use the tools to discern it, and then the time to do so.

15:11:16 herbijud1estoids: i only looked at pympex today and when i was reading the FAQ about "SPLIT" i thought goddamn genius

15:11:25 mircea_popescu: so for all practical purposes, allow me to welcome you into the church of mpex scientology.

15:11:31 mircea_popescu: lol

15:11:32 herbijud1estoids: lul

15:11:49 mircea_popescu: you know ppl sort-of bitched at me about it, and i think they still don't think it's right but mostly take my word for it.

15:12:39 herbijud1estoids: seems right to me

15:13:55 herbijud1estoids: anyway i should really bed. was supposed to wake up early and hassle some engineers in san fran but i got distracted watching boogie nights

15:14:05 mircea_popescu: anyway. i do believe it's more about what it'll hopefully blossom into than what it is yet.

15:14:07 mircea_popescu: jus' needs some time to accrete people.

15:14:16 mircea_popescu: did you like that ?!

15:14:32 herbijud1estoids: i watched it cos hoffman died and it was his first movie

15:14:50 mircea_popescu: i tried to watch capote and i couldn't get through the whole thing.

15:14:57 herbijud1estoids: never seen it before, some of the scenes at the start i thought was amazing...like the first time the guy catches his wife cheating on him

15:14:57 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

15:15:00 mircea_popescu: man's best performance is flawless, no dispute possible.

15:15:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 19 @ 0.0077005 = 0.1463 BTC [-] {3}

15:15:20 herbijud1estoids: my fav movie with him in it is charlie wilsons war, but i guess its a subject matter thing

15:15:48 herbijud1estoids: i think rambo4 and charlie wilsons war should be mandatory viewing for all american citizens :P

15:16:03 mircea_popescu: wtf.

15:16:28 ThickAsThieves: <mircea_popescu> i tried to watch capote and i couldn't get through the whole thing. --- mme too

15:16:38 mircea_popescu: why not "some came running" and "cat on a hot tin roof"

15:16:42 herbijud1estoids: rambo4? back when the taliban were the "brave and fearless men and women of afghanistan fighting for their freedom" to which the movie was dedicated

15:17:04 mircea_popescu: lol

15:17:43 herbijud1estoids: havent you seen it man! omg...rambo takes the game right to those pesky commie bastards!

15:17:47 ThickAsThieves: "Or in other words, while the sauce for the goose works just fine for the gander, this point is well wasted on vegetarians : the stuff they eat doesn’t even have gender." << Cuz we mostly eat the gendery parts!

15:18:09 herbijud1estoids: how dare they invade afghanistan!

15:18:39 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves interestingly enough that's true huh

15:18:58 mircea_popescu: who knew vegans are dedicated to a strict regimen of gonads.

15:19:21 herbijud1estoids: oh shit thats the wrong one, its rambo3!

15:19:28 herbijud1estoids: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jan/16/vegans-stomach-unpalatable-truth-quinoa

15:19:29 ozbot: Can vegans stomach the unpalatable truth about quinoa? | Joanna Blythman | Comment is free | thegua

15:19:32 herbijud1estoids: troll teh hippiez

15:19:32 mircea_popescu: lol

15:19:54 mircea_popescu: http://31.media.tumblr.com/b3ac1840d0730a8db0526593788e4e88/tumblr_mhbo76rAux1ru15g3o1_400.gif << meanwhile somewhere in france, this is why we like natural boobs.

15:20:04 herbijud1estoids: that came out today, obviously a moron funded by the cow council or something, but great to rile up the vegans with

15:20:35 mircea_popescu: the cow council lol.

15:20:42 mircea_popescu: their hq is in the diablo cow level.

15:20:59 mircea_popescu: worst guy among them is beefenstick frozenfist.

15:21:19 herbijud1estoids: dude i am not gonna sit here and try and come up with a more evil cow related name than that

15:21:39 ThickAsThieves: it makes no sense

15:21:41 herbijud1estoids: cowtler.

15:21:43 mircea_popescu: yw.

15:21:44 jcpham: beefenstick frozenfist winner winner

15:21:51 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves rakanishu.

15:23:32 mircea_popescu: wait wait, the author's name is joanna blythe man ?! this is trolling, right ?

15:24:13 mircea_popescu: joanna blythe-man on crop blights.

15:24:31 ThickAsThieves: "Joanna Blythman is an food writer, investigative journalist and broadcaster"

15:25:27 mircea_popescu: if only it said bloadcaster ill.

15:25:50 mircea_popescu: also this entire convo has to be bashed somehow

15:26:43 ThickAsThieves: that's what fraudsters is for, to bash the unbashable

15:26:55 mircea_popescu: i guess.

15:27:03 mircea_popescu: besides, there's a nice flattery bit at the top huh. aite, brb.

15:27:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29550 @ 0.00092377 = 27.2974 BTC [+] {2}

15:28:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.56999969 BTC [-]

15:28:35 ThickAsThieves: "Exactly! I want to buy a pizza with 10k ATC and regret it later. I'm even willing to throw away a fraction of a Bitcoin (and regret that later too) for the experience."

15:28:49 ThickAsThieves: this may cause a black hole

15:29:04 ThickAsThieves: good thing they are no longer black

15:29:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1660 @ 0.00012001 = 0.1992 BTC [-]

15:31:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.155 BTC [+]

15:32:17 mircea_popescu: are they pinky-flesh in color ?

15:32:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9350 @ 0.00092647 = 8.6625 BTC [+] {2}

15:32:44 ThickAsThieves: Hawking says they are grey now

15:33:19 ThickAsThieves: http://www.nbcnews.com/science/stephen-hawking-shakes-theory-again-black-holes-are-actually-gray-2D12001605

15:33:20 ozbot: Stephen Hawking shakes up theory (again): Black holes are actually gray - NBC News.com

15:33:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19193 @ 0.00091992 = 17.656 BTC [-]

15:34:28 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell herbijud1estoids no fucken way hoffman's first thing is that 1997 atrocityu.

15:34:29 gribble: The operation succeeded.

15:34:39 mircea_popescu: a that.

15:34:51 pankkake: black holes not black, pluto not a planet. damn scientists

15:35:13 nubbins`: well what is "black", really

15:35:27 nubbins`: i advance that nothing in your line of sight is black

15:35:31 mircea_popescu: <pankkake> black holes not black, pluto not a planet. damn scientists << SCAM

15:35:34 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Hoffman's first part seems to have been as random disposable criminal in Law and Order

15:35:48 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo no way dude he woked all through the 90s

15:35:57 mircea_popescu: bit parts mostly, but i'm sure his debut must be like 1990 or something

15:36:20 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Law and order started in 1990

15:36:21 nubbins`: i thought hoffman died in 89

15:36:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.56999958 BTC [-]

15:36:34 mircea_popescu: a ? i thought it was a mid 90s thing

15:36:43 ThickAsThieves: <nubbins`> well what is "black", really <<< something about dark matter and absence of light, still sorting it all out i think

15:36:57 mircea_popescu: CERN scientits announce : holes to be black in two weeks!

15:37:14 mircea_popescu: atm still brown.

15:37:15 nubbins`: ThickAsThieves, it's all a continuum, tbf

15:37:27 ThickAsThieves: when i was young, men were women, and holes were black!

15:37:29 nubbins`: for most purposes, you can be lax with the definition

15:37:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.56999959 BTC [+]

15:37:56 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves "and now here i am, surrounded by all this brown shit"

15:38:14 ThickAsThieves: nice

15:38:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.5699996 = 2.85 BTC [+]

15:40:46 ThickAsThieves: spider sense tingling, bitcoin drama levels feel too depleted

15:41:08 ThickAsThieves: time for a fork maybe?

15:41:13 ThickAsThieves: ;;tslb

15:41:17 gribble: Time since last block: 25 minutes and 56 seconds

15:41:34 pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=412041.0

15:41:37 ozbot: Fork The Blockchain And Block The Seized FBI Coins.

15:42:05 nubbins`: triple facepalm

15:42:08 ThickAsThieves: lol

15:43:12 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Late 90's was when the flood of spinoffs started

15:43:35 nubbins`: "Hay guise I have an Idea™"

15:43:38 ThickAsThieves: regulate the regulators!

15:44:02 nubbins`: "Normally I'd ask for a share of the profits but this time it's free"

15:44:07 mircea_popescu: im surprised it's not "redistribute the fbi coins"

15:44:21 nubbins`: heh

15:44:24 nubbins`: there ya go

15:44:36 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=290799.msg4924847#msg4924847

15:44:39 mircea_popescu: she lives to serve.

15:45:02 nubbins`: "We all just need to agree to craft a bogus block where the FBI coins get sent to 1BitcoinEater"

15:45:29 mircea_popescu: grasp of bitcoin basics under 1/9000

15:45:32 ThickAsThieves: why is the link particular to me?

15:45:37 nubbins`: "The Fed's stole those coins."

15:45:39 nubbins`: hmmm

15:45:39 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves weren't you asking for drama ?

15:45:43 ThickAsThieves: ah

15:45:45 ThickAsThieves: not good enough

15:45:50 ThickAsThieves: high drama

15:45:52 mircea_popescu: well dude what you want.

15:45:54 nubbins`: not sure if he means "The Feds stole those coins." or "The Fed's stolen those coins."

15:46:13 mircea_popescu: nubbins` he means "fjkhkj45hkj45ngvdfzgh9853 jyjx"

15:46:18 nubbins`: heh

15:46:32 pankkake: wait kraken lost 600 btc?

15:46:32 nubbins`: turns out he's just a cat that's looking for a warm place to nap

15:46:40 pankkake: that's like their yearly volume

15:46:46 mircea_popescu: pankkake you don't say.

15:46:48 nubbins`: they didn't lose them, some guy put a QR code sticker on top of theirs

15:46:55 ThickAsThieves: hehe

15:47:05 mircea_popescu: nubbins` wait wut ?

15:47:13 ThickAsThieves: i wonder how often we'll hear of that hack again

15:47:14 nubbins`: lel j/k

15:47:31 mircea_popescu: afaik they botched the entire receiving address thing, now they don;'t know who sent them btc.

15:47:32 nubbins`: i was reading a thread yesterday about this guy who ate at a restaurant that accepts btc

15:47:40 mircea_popescu: top the tune of AT LEAST 600 btc, beingone addy we know about

15:47:47 nubbins`: somebody put a sticker over the QR code by the cash

15:47:51 mircea_popescu: they're lieing about it, so clearly it's not the only one, nor they can cover.

15:47:54 nubbins`: poor diner was asked to pay twice

15:48:15 mircea_popescu: link ?

15:49:08 nubbins`: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1wwzbf/psa_new_scam_to_be_aware_of_someone_stole_my/

15:49:14 pankkake: also http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1vvghq/scam_found_this_in_palo_alto_address_not_on_effs/

15:49:14 nubbins`: "new scam to be aware of"

15:49:38 ThickAsThieves: maybe we'll get a bitcoin robin hood

15:49:46 nubbins`: pretty sure the whole story was upvote-bait

15:49:49 ThickAsThieves: swapping QR codes around the world

15:49:58 nubbins`: especially considering the diner agreed to PAY HALF AGAIN

15:50:21 nubbins`: y'know, a thing that people would do after it's obvious to all parties that a ripoff occurred

15:50:46 nubbins`: anyway, i bellowed laughter at this:

15:50:48 nubbins`: "One of the officers even said "why didn't you just pay with real money?""

15:51:23 ThickAsThieves: well just go to restaurants with QR codes in pocket, pay yourself, then be all ZOMG what's happening!

15:51:28 nubbins`: ^^^^

15:51:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 950 @ 0.00011202 = 0.1064 BTC [-] {4}

15:51:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.155 BTC [+]

15:52:11 nubbins`: qr code taped to reg makes about as much sense as a bucket full of cash and coins placed on the counter

15:52:17 nubbins`: "just dump your payment in here"

15:52:35 ThickAsThieves: but it works with tip jars and leaving cash on table/bar

15:52:36 nubbins`: "we'll probably figure it out"

15:52:42 nubbins`: tip jars, sure

15:52:54 nubbins`: nobody cares how much you tipped

15:53:08 ThickAsThieves: many leave cash on table and leave

15:53:13 nubbins`: nod

15:53:25 nubbins`: then server has mild panic

15:53:30 nubbins`: drops what they're doing and runs to table

15:53:32 nubbins`: etc

15:53:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00092213 = 6.2705 BTC [+]

15:54:01 nubbins`: heh

15:54:05 nubbins`: i guess a better analogy would be

15:54:11 nubbins`: that the bucket is hidden from the cashier's view

15:54:38 Mats_cd03: Meow

15:54:50 ThickAsThieves: someone told falkvinge http://falkvinge.net/2014/02/04/major-bitcoin-exchange-not-executing-withdrawals-now-owes-clients-38m-in-disappeared-money/

15:55:15 mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> well just go to restaurants with QR codes in pocket, pay yourself, then be all ZOMG what's happening! <<< sorta like the self-hitting pedestrians.

15:55:33 nubbins`: "the car came outta nowhere"

15:55:37 ThickAsThieves: times they are a changing

15:55:45 ThickAsThieves: https://support.mtgox.com/entries/26128504-Update-Statement-Regarding-BTC-Withdrawal-Delays

15:55:46 ozbot: Update - Statement Regarding BTC Withdrawal Delays : Support Desk

15:55:56 ThickAsThieves: "we are currently experiencing a problem where some bitcoin withdrawals are not being transferred correctly"

15:56:00 mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> drops what they're doing and runs to table <<< i usually just dump the money on the table if the girl fed me or on the nightstand if she fucked me.

15:56:04 ThickAsThieves: "Those transactions have now been returned to customer accounts in full"

15:56:05 ThickAsThieves: lol

15:56:06 mircea_popescu: in neither case is there a run.

15:56:33 ThickAsThieves: "This problem applies primarily to larger transactions, so we appreciate your patience as we fix the issue. "

15:56:35 ThickAsThieves: lololol

15:56:42 TomServo: He considered Gox to be a safer repository for bitcoin than his own probably-hackable computer. That judgment may not have been accurate.

15:56:44 TomServo: Oh my.

15:56:59 mircea_popescu: "we're scamming, and we hope people we fucked foir a lot of money are like idiots and everything"

15:57:01 TomServo: Maaaaybe not. Still uncertain.

15:57:20 nubbins`: i actually signed up for an account on kraken after reading all this

15:57:26 mircea_popescu: but tbh, they deserve the reaming. if they missed april they can't be helped anymore.

15:57:37 mircea_popescu: every douche figures himself a bright mind, well...

15:57:57 nubbins`: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-26031331

15:57:58 ozbot: BBC News - Self-updating Bitcoin price tag shown off in east London

15:58:35 ThickAsThieves: will they make inflating USD ones?

15:58:55 mircea_popescu: lmao

15:59:18 ThickAsThieves: act fast!

15:59:44 nubbins`: http://i.imgur.com/IG4ZDRn.jpg

15:59:53 ThickAsThieves: maybe this can get rid of cashiers altogether

15:59:54 nubbins`: re: a ton of media logos

16:00:02 ThickAsThieves: you pay the little ink box

16:00:03 ThickAsThieves: it unlocks

16:00:28 ThickAsThieves: cant leave store with merch and inkboxes

16:00:48 nubbins`: you guys don't have self-checkouts yet?

16:00:54 nubbins`: i personally fuckin hate 'em

16:00:55 ThickAsThieves: at groceries

16:01:05 ThickAsThieves: i only use them if no one is around

16:01:07 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/this-is-what-fraudsters-is-for-im-told/ << latest fraudsters post.

16:01:08 ozbot: This is what fraudsters is for, I’m told. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

16:01:11 mircea_popescu: taking bets on whether it includes tits.

16:01:12 nubbins`: know who's faster at checking out your groceries? the person who does it for a living.

16:02:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.24310363 = 0.7293 BTC

16:03:52 nubbins`: self-checkouts are a trick

16:03:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.1306 = 0.653 BTC [-] {2}

16:04:02 nubbins`: "maybe it'll be faster"

16:04:13 mircea_popescu: i kinda prefer farmer markets tho. who buys groceries in a store ?

16:04:19 mircea_popescu: i don't think i have this decade.

16:04:23 nubbins`: next thing you know, PLEASE PLACE THE SCANNED ITEM IN THE BAG. PLEASE PLACE THE SCANNED ITEM IN THE BAG. and there's a fuckin cashier helping you out anyway

16:05:01 nubbins`: mircea_popescu, there's a few farmer's markets around here but a grocery store within walking distance

16:05:17 mircea_popescu: i got access to engines and shit

16:05:32 nubbins`: oh sure, me too, but why drive when you can walk?

16:05:45 mircea_popescu: i got a driver, he can take the groceries back and i can carry on in town

16:05:47 nubbins`: plus newfoundland produces only about 10% of its own food supply, so farmer's markets aren't a general solution

16:05:50 mircea_popescu: what we did last time

16:05:56 mircea_popescu: a that's a problem

16:06:01 nubbins`: yep

16:06:03 nubbins`: it sure is.

16:06:09 mircea_popescu: you can get local strawberries here. now.

16:06:22 nubbins`: you can maybe get local squash here now

16:06:27 nubbins`: and some greens

16:07:00 mircea_popescu: anyway, bought a buncha smoked pork to hang in my attic... it's a pleasure

16:07:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC

16:07:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1290 @ 0.000112 = 0.1445 BTC [-]

16:07:15 mircea_popescu: proper hand made pickles...

16:07:22 mircea_popescu: they don't do much pickling in canada do they

16:07:28 nubbins`: altho i did see a young couple walking two goats recently, so i suppose really it's more a question of motivation

16:07:44 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: mostly a lost art these days

16:07:57 mircea_popescu: well that sucks. colder climes need smoked meat and pickled veggies.

16:07:58 nubbins`: i know a few groups of hippies that do canning

16:08:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.155 BTC [+]

16:08:08 mircea_popescu: canning != pickling in any sense.

16:08:28 nubbins`: yeah, closest thing you'll find

16:08:30 mircea_popescu: small peppers stuffed with cabbage! cucumbers! beets! culiflower!

16:08:38 nubbins`: people don't really preserve things here as a general rule

16:08:51 mircea_popescu: there's at least a dozen different sorts of pickles i can't do without

16:08:53 nubbins`: probably because our parent's generation grew up on a steady diet of salt cod

16:09:01 BingoBoingo: When the frost came so many of the tomatos were still green that we pickled them as a relish.

16:09:02 nubbins`: and salt beef

16:09:10 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo good for you.

16:09:17 nubbins`: and were 100% turned on preserved foods by the time the big grocery chains moved in

16:09:22 mircea_popescu: nubbins` that's why it;'s better to make salt pickes and smoke the meats

16:09:26 mircea_popescu: than the other way around

16:09:45 nubbins`: actually, come to think of it, my mother loves pickled beets

16:09:49 mircea_popescu: you ever had sqaw candy ?

16:09:53 nubbins`: nah

16:09:56 mircea_popescu: well wtf.

16:10:04 nubbins`: what can i say, sheltered life

16:10:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1075 = 0.215 BTC [-] {2}

16:10:25 nubbins`: if you like pickled things, find a korean restaurant

16:10:32 Duffer1: squaw candy?

16:10:33 mircea_popescu: i dont like the way they pickle.

16:10:36 nubbins`: they are lords of fermenting and pickling

16:10:54 mircea_popescu: i'm romanian, stuff like this is like grounds for religious wars.

16:10:58 nubbins`: haha

16:11:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC

16:11:13 mircea_popescu: as far as the romanian mother in low is concerned, the new wife can parade around naked stuffing pencils in her cunt all she wants

16:11:20 mircea_popescu: but god forbid the sits on the floor or messes up the pickles.

16:11:38 nubbins`: i do some dehydrating and keep a root cellar, grow some veggies in the warmer months

16:11:45 nubbins`: that's about the extent of it so far

16:12:00 mircea_popescu: if you have a root cellar you definitely can pickle cabage.

16:12:16 nubbins`: funny story, the root cellar is just the cupboards under the kitchen sink

16:12:21 nubbins`: i keep beer down there too

16:12:22 nubbins`: so cold

16:12:23 mircea_popescu: ah, too small.

16:12:44 nubbins`: could probably fit a couple heads.

16:12:51 nubbins`: not enough to ensure a constant supply

16:12:53 ThickAsThieves: our cleaning lady pickles

16:12:58 ThickAsThieves: she gives us some

16:12:59 mircea_popescu: nah, cause you need a 20+ gallon thing

16:13:05 nubbins`: ah, no chance

16:13:10 mircea_popescu: they don't work in any arbitrary volume

16:13:10 ThickAsThieves: pickled okra mostly

16:13:13 ThickAsThieves: bleh

16:13:17 nubbins`: i've also been making sourdough bread for about a year and a half now

16:13:22 Duffer1: oh man what a waste

16:13:24 mircea_popescu: that's nice.

16:13:27 nubbins`: i even have a subscription to Mother Earth News ;(

16:13:28 Duffer1: fry that ochra up

16:13:34 Duffer1: okra even

16:14:03 mircea_popescu: "ochra. for when you feel the urge to know what the texture of corpse cunt is like"

16:14:08 nubbins`: heh

16:14:15 nubbins`: the eventual goal is to become mostly self-sufficient

16:14:21 Duffer1: why you gotta ruin it for me :(

16:14:26 mircea_popescu: aww sorry.

16:14:29 nubbins`: hopefully should have the big strokes worked out in the next 4 or 5 years

16:14:43 ThickAsThieves: Bill Gates to 'substantially increase time' at Microsoft after stepping down as chairman

16:15:02 mircea_popescu: nubbins` try pickling sometime, get a large earthen jug, fill it with nice firm cabbage heads, add water and a lot of salt.

16:15:06 Duffer1: what's the plan for electricity nubs?

16:15:19 mircea_popescu: then after the first few weeks each coupla days go there and spend ~10-15 minutes blowing air into the vessel

16:15:30 mircea_popescu: in about 4-5-6 months it's done. you'll know by taste.

16:15:33 nubbins`: Duffer1, wind doesn't work too well here, not sure yet

16:15:38 mircea_popescu: should be kept ~5 degrees celsius.

16:15:40 BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Prolly realizes he quit to early and that BASIC interpreter thing isn't a business anymore.

16:15:46 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: add some fish paste and chilies and you've got kimchi

16:16:00 mircea_popescu: nah, it's different i tel you

16:16:05 mircea_popescu: theirs is not aerated.

16:16:09 nubbins`: too true

16:16:11 nubbins`: they actually bury it

16:16:13 mircea_popescu: they fucking bury that shit

16:16:14 mircea_popescu: yes.

16:16:18 mircea_popescu: makes a huge difference

16:16:28 Duffer1: i'm down to 1.5 jars of gramma's pickled cucumbers. needs to last 6months

16:16:28 mircea_popescu: anyway, that cabbage juice resultant is by far the best hangover cure in the world.

16:16:29 nubbins`: the best kimchi is old kimchi, 1 year or more

16:16:30 mircea_popescu: by VERY far.

16:16:42 nubbins`: hm

16:16:45 nubbins`: you use round cabbage or chinese?

16:16:54 mircea_popescu: makes little difference, as ong as it's white.

16:16:58 nubbins`: sure

16:17:04 ThickAsThieves: http://www.theverge.com/2014/2/4/5374172/the-coin-prince-charlie-shrem-bitinstant-bitcoin-money-laundering-scandal

16:17:05 ozbot: The coin prince: inside Bitcoin's first big money-laundering scandal | The Verge

16:17:09 mircea_popescu: red cabbage doesn't work for some reason

16:17:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3297 @ 0.00012242 = 0.4036 BTC [+] {7}

16:17:13 nubbins`: i'll think on this, might be a nice experiment for the winter

16:17:15 ThickAsThieves: HD eyebrows!

16:17:20 mircea_popescu: nubbins` it's cheap to try, anyway.

16:17:24 nubbins`: nod

16:17:45 mircea_popescu: you may wish to add some flavourings. horseradish is big here.

16:17:49 ThickAsThieves: "Shrem is 5 feet 5 inches tall, full-bearded, and high-energy. He’s the kind of guy who likes to party and loves to organize events, but also goes to his parents’ house every Friday night for dinner. "

16:17:53 nubbins`: i do like spicy

16:17:54 Duffer1: lol tat

16:18:00 Duffer1: groucho returns

16:18:07 nubbins`: groucho, leeel

16:18:13 mircea_popescu: nubbins` can go 1 horseradish root per 2-3 heads.

16:18:30 nubbins`: ever tried ginger?

16:18:39 mircea_popescu: nope.

16:18:43 mircea_popescu: it may work tho.

16:18:49 Duffer1: pickled ginger?

16:18:57 ThickAsThieves: i love ginger so much

16:18:57 nubbins`: well that's what got me thinking

16:19:09 nubbins`: i've been making this ghanaian dish lately, groundnut soup

16:19:26 nubbins`: fish or chicken, tomato paste, unsweetened peanut butter, ginger, onion, peppers

16:19:35 lippoper: .bait is back baby!

16:19:36 nubbins`: sounds terrible, tastes amazing

16:19:36 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

16:19:37 ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/b8aa5def221e2b21e2d7a711a74e48ac/tumblr_mr8cetdFmQ1sx6boao1_500.jpg

16:19:54 nubbins`: i'm actually still not sure why it tastes good

16:20:11 KRS-: Look, she is sitting on her face!

16:20:14 ThickAsThieves: well peanut butter and ginger are my two favorite flavors

16:20:19 KRS-: .bait

16:20:22 ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/43c15ff5737a8aedae159754406e2856/tumblr_mos4eplTVO1qcezywo1_500.jpg

16:20:28 nubbins`: then you owe it to yourself to try groundnut soup

16:20:30 KRS-: lol fun

16:20:31 mircea_popescu: nubbins` also, bay leaf, pepper, lots of dill

16:20:33 mircea_popescu: depends on your taste.

16:20:40 ThickAsThieves: He was this plucky, short Jewish guy from Brooklyn who had computer skills and decided to start his own company, and he was living the Entourage life. I envied the kid up until a few days ago.

16:20:42 nubbins`: i'm a huge fan of bay leaf

16:20:49 nubbins`: every chili, every stew

16:20:55 nubbins`: can't abide dill tho

16:21:12 KRS-: Like Assburgers? http://bbsimg.ngfiles.com/1/21021000/ngbbs4bc015a542b0c.jpg

16:21:34 ThickAsThieves: http://cdn2.sbnation.com/assets/3955753/shremleaves.jpg

16:21:41 ThickAsThieves: "Charlie Shrem, right, exits Manhattan federal court with an unidentified person on Monday, January 27th"

16:21:52 ThickAsThieves: unidentified

16:21:55 mircea_popescu: that's his dad

16:21:57 mircea_popescu: ain;'t it ?!

16:21:58 ThickAsThieves: how could it not be his dad

16:22:10 nubbins`: couldn't be his dad with that mouth

16:22:10 nubbins`: ;p

16:22:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.15499998 BTC [-]

16:22:28 nubbins`: maybe the purse threw them off

16:22:34 mircea_popescu: it's not a purse

16:22:38 mircea_popescu: it's panamanian.

16:22:41 ThickAsThieves: lol

16:22:44 nubbins`: heh

16:22:47 nubbins`: a purseboa

16:23:26 nubbins`: okay, time to run some errands

16:23:47 ThickAsThieves: He was released on house arrest after his parents put up their house as collateral.

16:25:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15300 @ 0.00092243 = 14.1132 BTC [+]

16:26:18 KRS-: A Fallen Angel.

16:28:39 mircea_popescu: "gee son, i hope all that pot herping you did was a lot of fun"

16:28:55 mircea_popescu: "cause i worked thirty years for this house"

16:30:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.24310363 = 1.2155 BTC

16:31:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 16 @ 0.15749999 = 2.52 BTC [+] {4}

16:32:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.24310363 = 1.4586 BTC

16:32:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.17 = 0.51 BTC [+]

16:32:50 ThickAsThieves: ;;estimate

16:32:51 gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 2605968722.74 based on data since last change | 2831748964.63 based on data for last three days

16:33:35 KRS-: ouch..amazing how parents blindly support their kids, even in hopeless situations.

16:33:35 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

16:34:19 KRS-: not that this is hopeless..isn't money laundering a hard conviction to get?

16:34:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22577 @ 0.00092673 = 20.9228 BTC [+]

16:34:34 mircea_popescu: KRS- local joke : gypsy woman goes to her man with a very very filthy kid in tow

16:34:38 Duffer1: apparently they have his emails

16:34:42 mircea_popescu: "now what, do we wash this one or make another one?"

16:35:52 mircea_popescu: KRS- money laundering is an impossible conviction to get against the actual people who launder money, ie banks. any conviction is extremely easy to get against a redditard kid from brooklin and his goretex wearing father.

16:40:32 mike_c: ooh, nice coinroll ad on bitbet.

16:40:43 mike_c: does jurov control that yet?

16:41:04 jurov: yes i put the ad there

16:41:08 mircea_popescu: afaik it's scrat, namworld and jurov

16:41:10 jurov: but not full control yet

16:41:34 mike_c: planning any changes or you just going to run it better?

16:41:45 jurov: no. scrat and namworld are old owners and investors that are in search of a venue to IPO and get paid

16:41:56 jurov: and me and wao-ender are new owners

16:42:21 mike_c: interesting. good luck.

16:42:24 jurov: it's quite mess process, going on for 2 months, scrat was sick, etc.

16:42:38 mircea_popescu: well as long as it's fun.

16:42:48 jurov: indeed it;s fun :)

16:44:47 ThickAsThieves: for how long can we keep up 15%-20% diff increases?

16:44:59 ThickAsThieves: must be some kinda major limiting factor

16:45:45 ThickAsThieves: can hahsing increase 50x this year?

16:45:49 mircea_popescu: well... total electric energy output of earth is

16:45:50 jurov: it's price per transistor. dunno how far from that we are.

16:46:08 mircea_popescu: ~150-200 P

16:46:11 mircea_popescu: PW/g

16:46:12 mircea_popescu: grr

16:46:15 mircea_popescu: ~150-200 PW/h

16:46:44 jurov: admittedly, chumps may keep buying the transistor for several times more than mining reward

16:46:51 mircea_popescu: actually should i dig up the old discussion of that or were you around ?

16:46:52 jurov: *transistors

16:47:08 ThickAsThieves: i'm not sure, but i'm re-interested either way

16:47:22 jurov: i don't think we came up with any definite numbers

16:47:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00092673 = 13.0669 BTC [+]

16:47:45 ThickAsThieves: mining is gonna be so centralized

16:47:50 mircea_popescu: yeah but we did some back of envelope shit

16:47:52 KRS-: mircea_popescu: haha funny..actually 2 jokes..local gypsys here are leaving. The county fair is wrapping up. Ya gotta love that food though.

16:48:29 ThickAsThieves: bitcoin is doomed

16:48:32 KRS-: I mean..who fries winkies? Oreo cookies? Who knew?

16:48:48 ThickAsThieves: fry all the things!

16:49:01 KRS-: ya think?

16:49:06 mircea_popescu: well i dunno where it is ;/

16:50:26 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-08-2013#259134

16:50:34 mircea_popescu: having helpers kicks ass.

16:50:47 ThickAsThieves: seems that maybe the bets regulation USG could do is require gov to run a mining farm

16:51:08 ThickAsThieves: best*

16:51:27 chetty: Sotomayor: Labeling Illegal Immigrants Criminals Is Insulting

16:51:59 ThickAsThieves: logic is so racist

16:52:05 mircea_popescu: chetty people do have a right to go wherever the fuck they please.

16:52:16 mircea_popescu: who gave obama a monopoly on the land between x and y ?

16:53:19 ThickAsThieves: [BTCTC] [TAT.MINIGAME] 2 @ 0.000269 = 0.0005 BTC [+] <<< good times

16:53:29 mircea_popescu: lol

16:53:35 chetty: not if they come to suck gubermint tits

16:53:37 mircea_popescu: !vwap s.mg

16:53:56 mircea_popescu: chetty gubermint has no right to have tits, nor does it have the right to use its tits as an excuse to bother people.

16:53:57 mircea_popescu: if it doesn

16:54:07 mircea_popescu: 't like its tits publicly handling it can go ahead and dress.

16:55:10 chetty: in a perfect world ...

16:55:12 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=443108.msg4933430#msg4933430 << look what you've motherfuckingly done.

16:55:33 mircea_popescu: just not lieing and not stealing, that's it. that's all. you don't even need an idea AT ALL. your chain can simply win because no premine and no schmooze.

16:55:41 mircea_popescu: fucking stealing the mp model.

16:55:45 mircea_popescu: DO YOU SEE HOW POWERFUL IT IS!

16:56:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC

16:57:42 ThickAsThieves: yeesh

16:59:43 ThickAsThieves: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=443108.msg4934547#msg4934547

16:59:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 0.70604072 BTC to 616 shares, 114617 satoshi per share

17:00:06 ThickAsThieves: i knew being a yogi berra fan would pay off one day

17:00:36 ThickAsThieves: maybe i should make a bot that combines yogi quotes with coelho lines

17:00:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] [PAID] 5.10400000 BTC to 7`975`000 shares, 64 satoshi per share

17:01:48 ThickAsThieves: "I want to thank you for making this day necessary." -- On Yogi Berra Appreciation Day in St. Louis in 1947.

17:02:46 ThickAsThieves: "You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you're going, because you might not get there."

17:04:01 ThickAsThieves: "It ain't the heat; it's the humility."

17:04:20 Dimsler__: is it pump up hour in here?

17:05:37 Dimsler__: ThickAsThieves, unless you're one of the top 100 wallet holders who really cares

17:06:40 mircea_popescu: Dimsler__ no pump-o.

17:06:53 mircea_popescu: this will become a standard disclaimer, like no homo.

17:07:00 Dimsler__: lol

17:07:27 ThickAsThieves: <Dimsler__> ThickAsThieves, unless you're one of the top 100 wallet holders who really cares <<<< i missed something?

17:07:53 ThickAsThieves: you mean top 100 bitcoin holders? ALT?

17:08:06 ThickAsThieves: what are we caring about?

17:08:18 Dimsler__: we are not caring

17:08:44 Duffer1: i'm more confused now than when you guys started your bit

17:08:48 Duffer1: are you doing a bit?

17:09:13 Duffer1: i feel like earl

17:09:22 ThickAsThieves: i dont do bits

17:09:30 ThickAsThieves: maybe a lil performance art here and there

17:09:34 mircea_popescu: we're doing just a little bit. but i was srs above.

17:10:21 mircea_popescu: anyway, straight man story : ThickAsThieves started a new altchain. for absolutely no reason. called a lark.

17:10:24 ThickAsThieves: basically, "If you aren't scamming us, than how will you make any money?!"

17:10:34 mircea_popescu: that alt chain got a lot of mining power behind it.

17:10:35 Dimsler__: lol

17:10:36 Dimsler__: lark

17:10:52 mircea_popescu: we're not actually pushing it, we're just lolling at it, observing it, thinking about it outloud.

17:10:53 mircea_popescu: s'all.

17:11:05 ThickAsThieves: i still dont own any

17:11:17 ThickAsThieves: dont think any miner has sold yet either

17:11:17 mircea_popescu: i think by now mpoe-pr owns more than me

17:11:18 Dimsler__: is it like dogecoin?

17:11:20 mircea_popescu: o wait! wow!

17:11:31 ThickAsThieves: oh you got some?

17:11:33 mircea_popescu: check this out tat : i am the one guy in the entire world who owns THE LEAST ATC.

17:11:36 Dimsler__: the USPS is gonne have its own alt currency soon

17:11:43 mircea_popescu: because you got 0 right ? and so do all those other guys

17:11:50 ThickAsThieves: lol

17:11:55 mircea_popescu: but i actually own -1, cause i owe 1 to either mike_c or vexual

17:12:03 ThickAsThieves: endorsed and coveted by mp himself, Altcoin

17:12:06 mike_c: vex, he paid me supposedly.

17:12:23 mircea_popescu: so i guess i'm shorting it, technically speaking

17:12:32 mircea_popescu: ;;FUD ATC kthx.

17:12:32 gribble: Error: "FUD" is not a valid command.

17:12:35 ThickAsThieves: i'd buy some if people just made public prices

17:12:37 BingoBoingo: What's the difficulty on Alt anyway?

17:12:38 mircea_popescu: whoa that's a useless bot.

17:12:43 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo like 20k ?

17:13:17 mircea_popescu: MP, naked shorting alt since the week it was born!

17:13:18 ThickAsThieves: i guess bluematt scamme dme

17:13:29 ThickAsThieves: never got the source, even after he told me to pay to same addy

17:13:36 mircea_popescu: nowai

17:13:43 mircea_popescu: altchain born in scam and pain!

17:14:01 mircea_popescu: the only begotten altchain of teh lord to save our etc

17:14:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.04954 = 0.9908 BTC [+]

17:14:34 BingoBoingo: LTC difficulty is only 2,820? To the hole with LTC!

17:14:46 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i say a lot of power, i mean a lot of power >D

17:15:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.1 = 0.6 BTC [-]

17:15:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9198 @ 0.00092673 = 8.5241 BTC [+]

17:16:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.24310363 = 1.2155 BTC

17:17:22 mircea_popescu: "Well good morning there, Brittany. Are you ready for today's lesson?"

17:17:22 mircea_popescu: "Oh yes, Daddy! I can't wait to find out what you're going to do to me today!"

17:17:22 mircea_popescu: "That's a good girl. I love your enthusiasm. You made Daddy so proud when you came to me on your 18th Birthday a few weeks ago and said you wanted to work at my whorehouse just like your mother and your older sisters.

17:17:30 mircea_popescu: dude why is fanfic so incredibly bad.

17:17:58 BingoBoingo: Imma have to write and Altcoin post. Much hash. So Meta. Very Unmeme.

17:18:05 mircea_popescu: this guy's premise is that some dood's systematically whoring his family, and the only way he can think to introduce that premise is a Mr Exposition chorus ?!

17:18:07 ThickAsThieves: i have this runt cat, that never fully grew, but somehow she always finds her way to the highest places. when she gets there she lets out these little miniature roars

17:18:15 mircea_popescu: hahaha

17:18:26 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves is that a yogi coelho quote ?

17:18:53 ThickAsThieves: the cat thing? that's real

17:19:08 mircea_popescu: pretty adorkable.

17:19:22 ThickAsThieves: i need to record it

17:20:19 ThickAsThieves: by this point no one knows when i'm joking or just dumb

17:20:43 ThickAsThieves: cue dub/kako saying i'm always dumb

17:21:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.1 = 0.3 BTC [-]

17:22:50 ThickAsThieves: does bluematt haz wot?

17:22:57 ThickAsThieves: i might have to dig up my key for this

17:23:45 ThickAsThieves: no wait, the proper thing to do is start a reddit thread, right?

17:23:52 ThickAsThieves: Coingen.io is Scam!

17:26:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10050 @ 0.00092673 = 9.3136 BTC [+]

17:29:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.24310363 = 0.9724 BTC

17:30:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 31 @ 0.00565828 = 0.1754 BTC [-] {4}

17:32:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1197 @ 0.00012943 = 0.1549 BTC [+] {2}

17:34:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.07810003 = 0.3905 BTC [-] {3}

17:35:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25393 @ 0.00092673 = 23.5325 BTC [+]

17:37:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37050 @ 0.00092461 = 34.2568 BTC [-] {3}

17:38:44 pankkake: http://www.coinmakerbot.com/ lol

17:38:53 pankkake: "pre-mine consulting and strategy"

17:39:42 davout: it lacks the cryptsy-plugin generator

17:40:00 BingoBoingo: I doubt many new alts will go further than RIPple's greatest innovation whereby all coins were premined.

17:40:17 pankkake: NXT did it, and called it innovative

17:41:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30300 @ 0.00092817 = 28.1236 BTC [+] {3}

17:42:19 ThickAsThieves: web designers new bastion, altcoin marketing agency

17:42:31 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo doge just did it a coupla days ago.

17:42:44 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves he does indeed.

17:42:52 mircea_popescu: tbh i'd be very surprised if in fact he's scamming you.

17:43:11 ThickAsThieves: so i'm not supposed to overreact when people dont do things right away for me?

17:43:29 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell benkay http://www.coinmakerbot.com/

17:43:29 gribble: The operation succeeded.

17:44:08 ThickAsThieves: pankakke, are you interested in helping create the source? or at least dumping the genblock?

17:44:17 ThickAsThieves: bounty available if needed

17:44:29 mircea_popescu: you can dumb the genblock just by quering the altcoind

17:44:32 mike_c: how you going to bounty with no ATC?

17:44:36 mircea_popescu: mwahaha

17:44:58 ThickAsThieves: i'll get the forum to pay for it

17:45:16 pankkake: ThickAsThieves: I was going to reply on the thread… I'm not sure I can do it

17:45:22 ThickAsThieves: crap

17:45:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC

17:45:44 ThickAsThieves: even if you have a different coingen'd source package to work from?

17:46:24 mircea_popescu: who's unbalanced on the forum ?

17:46:50 pankkake: a coingen sha256 would be a good base, at least I can replace the coin name :p

17:47:02 mircea_popescu: lolz

17:47:05 ThickAsThieves: sock of someone here

17:47:11 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves yes but who./

17:47:37 ThickAsThieves: one of these D**** handles maybe

17:47:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC

17:47:50 ThickAsThieves: Duffer, Dimsler

17:48:01 Duffer1: not i

17:48:01 ThickAsThieves: maybe Van Cleef

17:48:04 ThickAsThieves: who knows anymor

17:48:19 pankkake: I think he goes by unbalanced here too. we're in a lentghty e-mail conversation

17:48:26 pankkake: he must be a lurker

17:48:31 mircea_popescu: oic.

17:48:38 wao-ender: lol, havellock is trying to do marketing with b.exch?

17:49:15 ThickAsThieves: <pankkake> a coingen sha256 would be a good base, at least I can replace the coin name :p <<< but really, if it is useful, surely one of the packages for download is that http://coingen.io/status.html

17:49:23 ThickAsThieves: the ones with source are bigger zips

17:49:31 ThickAsThieves: 26mb vs 50+

17:49:42 ThickAsThieves: i downloaded some at random

17:49:52 ThickAsThieves: not sure how to tell if sha256

17:50:04 mircea_popescu: lmao this guy sounds like a bitcoin ceo.

17:51:04 ThickAsThieves: i'm a hacker now too!

17:51:24 mircea_popescu: + css experience.

17:51:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2032 @ 0.00092905 = 1.8878 BTC [+]

17:51:46 ThickAsThieves: i dont actually make the CSS, just pictures of what it should look like

17:51:55 mircea_popescu: obviosuly.

17:52:15 ThickAsThieves: but ive hacked a style or two in my day

17:52:17 ThickAsThieves: hehe

17:52:21 mircea_popescu: thats something they could have had in idiocracy

17:52:30 mircea_popescu: instead of ppl ordering ? they napkin-doodle what they want

17:52:35 mircea_popescu: then argue about getting the wrong thing

17:53:38 jurov: did you make a picture css of neobee building too?

17:53:38 pankkake: feature request for altgen.io: create github repo :)

17:53:38 pankkake: oh coingen ships with a .git in it. good

17:54:27 ThickAsThieves: i dont do 3d rendering, too tedious

17:54:31 ThickAsThieves: same reason i dont code

17:54:37 ThickAsThieves: my attention doesnt work that way

17:54:45 pankkake: oh good at least I see that the pzsTimestamp is the same as Bitcoin

17:54:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0495399 = 0.4954 BTC [-]

17:55:33 pankkake: however it changes "pchMessageStart" and I have no idea what it is :(

17:55:39 ThickAsThieves: i didnt mind HTML class, but once i got to javascript class, i was like fuck this bullshit

17:56:15 mike_c: lexical clojure is a pain

17:57:25 pankkake: ok well, either I'll have the source tonight or in a few days

17:57:35 mircea_popescu: 2 weeks tops.

17:58:44 ThickAsThieves: if it helps, Altcoin should be 512 Block Rate, 512 block value, 262144 halving, 268435456 total coins

17:58:46 BingoBoingo: feature request for altgen.io -> Moar hashing algorithms. At a minimum MD4

17:58:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC

17:59:07 ThickAsThieves: altgen.io would have an endless todo list

17:59:21 jurov: http://falkvinge.net/2014/02/04/major-bitcoin-exchange-not-executing-withdrawals-now-owes-clients-38m-in-disappeared-money/

17:59:24 pankkake: BingoBoingo: quite annoying as you have to manage the pools too

17:59:31 jurov: soo, gox pulled weexchange

17:59:41 ThickAsThieves: ?

18:00:05 ThickAsThieves: you may take 6%?

18:00:31 jurov: i mean, ukyo hints to some btc transactions corrupted by bitcoind

18:00:35 jurov: too

18:00:39 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo that part shouldn't be too hard.

18:00:47 jurov: that cnnot be disclosed

18:01:39 BingoBoingo: pankkake: A plus of MD4 coin is you can pretty much instamine and them market make. Click post on the forum to make the thread. Then start your miner then... Profit! Chain mined before the thread gets a reply.

18:02:05 pankkake: you can instamine anything as long as the difficulty is low, or diff adjustment is bad

18:02:16 pankkake: which is the case for coingen, btw :)

18:02:19 mircea_popescu: or you announce it for tuesday and start sunday

18:02:28 mircea_popescu: then go "o oops, what you mean we said we'll turn off miners ?!?!"

18:02:36 pankkake: it is usually caught

18:02:59 pankkake: though of course it's scammers scamming scammers, and might not matter in the end

18:03:09 jurov: wouldn't you hit the maximal possible difficulty quickly with md4?

18:03:33 jurov: i.e. to make exact hash for the block

18:03:37 BingoBoingo: jurov: That's the point

18:03:49 pankkake: lol

18:06:37 jurov: what about using rot13 then?

18:07:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 323 @ 0.002984 = 0.9638 BTC [+] {2}

18:07:34 mircea_popescu: lmao

18:07:49 BingoBoingo: jurov: Sure Rot13 where the alphabet consists entirely of Zeros might be prefect.

18:07:52 mircea_popescu: the future of cryptography as seen @nsa, microsoft, etc : rot13 chain!

18:08:23 the20year1: Making good progress with havelock

18:08:46 mike_c: i thought listing was yesterday?

18:10:02 BingoBoingo: Transactions from addresses are also signed by private keys which are also the addresses. Basically the same way credit cards work in the US, what could go wrong?

18:11:29 mircea_popescu: hahaha

18:11:32 mircea_popescu: it's so true tho.

18:12:03 mircea_popescu: "could we have the last 4 digits of your address which is also your private key ? don't worry, we'll keep the rest secret nothing could possibly go wrong"

18:12:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1500 @ 0.002985 = 4.4775 BTC [+]

18:12:23 BingoBoingo: This tool only goes up to 2006 as far as widely known collision attacks http://www.bishopfox.com/resources/tools/other-free-tools/md4md5-collision-code/

18:12:30 mircea_popescu: https://medium.com/cyber-security/24eb09e026dd

18:12:44 mircea_popescu: i dun recall who originally posted that coupla days back

18:13:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1105 @ 0.002986 = 3.2995 BTC [+]

18:13:19 kakobrekla: was " leerochardson" on this chan?

18:13:24 kakobrekla: in last couple of hrs

18:14:43 mircea_popescu: nop

18:16:02 mircea_popescu: http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/01/how-i-almost-lost-my-500000-twitter-username-jb-and-my-startup/

18:16:15 mircea_popescu: this has a lot of implications for noob bitcoin devs btw

18:16:23 mircea_popescu: The scary thing was that I only thought of the true implications of this attack days later. As I was contemplating what had happened and how I could prevent it in the future, a very frightening thought occurred to me. This attacker started with Amazon because he knew that a commerce shopping site?s customer support would be relatively easy to convince and use to gain access to my account. However, that same site offe

18:16:23 mircea_popescu: rs cloud services that many startups rely on to host their data. My startup, Droplr, is completely based on Amazon?s stack, from using EC2 servers where we host all of our technology to S3, which we use for file storage. This attacker had access to all of it. I was extremely lucky that in his rush to gain access to @jb, he didn?t think to check if my account had anything under AWS.

18:19:01 ThickAsThieves: also good advice to not use your custom google apps domain email for registrations

18:21:27 jurov: as if normaln gmail would be harder to pwn

18:22:16 ThickAsThieves: no customer service reps for free Google Apps accounts

18:22:16 ThickAsThieves: hehe

18:22:22 ThickAsThieves: its a security feature!

18:23:09 mircea_popescu: this entire "cumstomer service" bs needs to go away.

18:23:10 Duffer1: companies need to start investing in MPOE-PR brand customer relations

18:23:14 mircea_popescu: you lost your password ? FUCK YOU.

18:23:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4022 @ 0.00092764 = 3.731 BTC [-]

18:23:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.14999999 = 0.3 BTC [-]

18:23:35 davout: lol, where do i sign?

18:23:40 mike_c: mircea_popescu: have you ever helped someone who lost their mpex key?

18:23:47 mike_c: i bet you have

18:23:57 mircea_popescu: i have not.

18:23:59 Duffer1: has anyone ever lost a key?

18:24:25 mircea_popescu: at least a coupla people.

18:24:43 mike_c: that's a tough line to hold. it will be interesting if you can keep that up.

18:25:04 mircea_popescu: happens to be the correct line to hold, so... whatever, they'll have to get it out of my cold dead hands.

18:25:09 mike_c: hehe

18:26:20 mircea_popescu: not everything is a brothel.

18:26:29 mike_c: i would like to be able to use mpex with keys that i sign from my master key that i've registered with you. then i could use cardano with it.

18:26:31 mircea_popescu: imagine if hospitals were run on the principle of whether the customer was happy.

18:26:56 jurov: oh, they aren't?

18:27:17 mircea_popescu: well ideally i should hope not, or else wtf, "which pill would you like to take today, mr j"

18:27:25 jurov: they give you antibitics not cuz you need them, but to make you happy

18:27:25 mircea_popescu: "take the ugly pill and shut up"

18:27:45 mircea_popescu: there you go breaking my eastern bloc ideals.

18:28:52 mircea_popescu: mike_c if you're really paranoid you can locally generate and sign pushes after each stat.

18:29:00 mircea_popescu: that way, even if you lose your key you can wipe your account for later.

18:29:10 mircea_popescu: and it's better in that i don't even need to verify anything.

18:29:41 mike_c: hm, that's interesting. i'll have to build that into pympex v2

18:29:51 mircea_popescu: do you understand the model i mean ?

18:29:55 mike_c: yeah

18:30:09 mircea_popescu: like you now use key a, and spare is key b. after each stat for each asset push x to b signed and stored.

18:30:11 mircea_popescu: yeah

18:30:28 davout: why after each stat?

18:30:30 mircea_popescu: you can store the stuff as a list encrypted to b

18:30:41 mike_c: after each stat so you push all your assets (which changes..)

18:30:42 davout: why not once for each asset with some high value

18:30:42 mircea_popescu: davout well that's the point where you find what assets you have.

18:31:10 davout: just make a stat per asset, and add pushes as assets are added to mpex

18:31:17 davout: sorry a push per asset

18:31:21 mircea_popescu: you gotta specify qty

18:31:52 jurov: if qty is 99999999, it won't work?

18:31:53 davout: can't you say a bazillion and it takes the min from the qty and your holdings?

18:32:10 mircea_popescu: afaik if you don't have the right qty it tells you to fuck off.

18:32:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00092768 = 7.3287 BTC [+]

18:32:37 jurov: D:

18:33:49 jurov: one can make signed pushes for qty 1,2,4,8,16,32,...

18:33:56 jurov: and apply them from highest one

18:33:58 mircea_popescu: ahahaha

18:34:29 jurov: but orders must be taken from stat anyway

18:34:34 mike_c: that's not a bad backup too. sign those and bury them in the garden

18:34:50 mircea_popescu: anyway, careful with that axe eugene

18:35:21 mircea_popescu: http://24.media.tumblr.com/a071befa146f7fb3e5334746505350a5/tumblr_mgnbxfHAj91ru15g3o1_1280.jpg << this is the czech republic isn't it

18:36:12 jurov: can be. plenty karosa buses here, too

18:36:41 jurov: mircea how would you go about backing up keys from airgapped machine?

18:36:48 jurov: if you were mpex customer

18:37:16 mircea_popescu: you can take them to another airgapped machine

18:37:55 jurov: and that machine to safe?

18:38:12 mircea_popescu: well to wherever you keep your backups

18:38:31 mircea_popescu: two machines connecting is no threat to either's airgap, provided the other's not going online

18:38:35 mircea_popescu: think of this as if it were sex

18:38:37 mircea_popescu: which it is.

18:38:55 jurov: lol i keep backups all around, under strong passphrase

18:39:40 mircea_popescu: do you have a slovenian dicelist ?

18:39:48 jurov: i made one

18:39:56 jurov: from various sources

18:40:12 mircea_popescu: so turn the privkey into a diced novella, print it, keep it around. w/e.

18:40:29 jurov: haha

18:40:45 wao-ender: :D

18:40:55 mircea_popescu: people'd be like "wtf does He foot dog went backwards air eloped mystical donglebunch." ?!?!?!

18:41:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40428 @ 0.0009255 = 37.4161 BTC [-] {4}

18:43:08 wao-ender: I was always thinking about it like, if computer catn decipher it, humans need to use inteligence

18:43:12 nubbins`: smh. phone is NINE DAYS out of warranty and won't charge, carrier tells me to PFO

18:43:30 nubbins`: 10/10, would do business with again

18:44:03 wao-ender: next time u will buy extended warranty

18:44:15 Duffer1: planned obsolescence is pretty annoying

18:44:16 ThickAsThieves: so it will last longer

18:44:23 nubbins`: wao-ender: no i won't

18:44:34 mircea_popescu: and this is why i buy old models intended for the african market.

18:44:47 ThickAsThieves: so you can mpesa?

18:44:49 wao-ender: extended warranty is neat marketing, like with insurrance for 60years.

18:44:51 mircea_popescu: my ten year old non-gps phone without special sounds or bs charges just fine

18:45:16 mircea_popescu: omfg this is mpiright infringement!

18:45:23 nubbins`: in fairness, they did say i could order a replacement for only $269.99999999

18:45:27 nubbins`: ;(

18:45:47 nubbins`: i'll get what i want, just annoying because it takes so long

18:46:02 wao-ender: order chinese one.

18:46:13 wao-ender: im ok with my asian phone

18:46:17 wao-ender: non western brand

18:46:18 nubbins`: this IS a chinese one.

18:46:24 nubbins`: oh, brand. n/m.

18:46:34 wao-ender: hope not ZTE..

18:46:37 nubbins`: apple

18:46:46 wao-ender: hah

18:46:53 wao-ender: or aple.

18:47:01 nubbins`: honestly the worst part is the hold music

18:47:35 wao-ender: just listen world around you

18:48:35 nubbins`: apple phone support has looked up my info and suddenly has no problems with a free replacement

18:49:07 mircea_popescu: that means they've raped you for over 9000 in the past.

18:49:08 nubbins`: "oh shit, this is the guy who only good things happen to"

18:49:31 nubbins`: mp, about 4k

18:49:59 nubbins`: plus a few years of dev access

18:50:10 mircea_popescu: so over 9k

18:50:29 nubbins`: $99/yr!

18:50:57 nubbins`: i think you just wanted to say OVER 9000

18:50:57 mircea_popescu: fun fact : the marginal cost for an extra girl is about 4k/yr for me atm.

18:51:29 wao-ender: lol

18:52:02 wao-ender: does age weight the price?

18:52:39 mircea_popescu: it's cost not price.

18:52:54 mircea_popescu: like, you gotta feed her, house her, maybe even clothe her, at least after a few months.

18:53:14 wao-ender: I prefer naked ones

18:53:22 pankkake: clothes can be fun

18:53:28 mircea_popescu: and a treat.

18:53:34 mircea_popescu: besides. corsets. garters.

18:53:38 wao-ender: maybe s&m clothes

18:53:44 mircea_popescu: high heels. nipple shields.

18:53:45 pankkake: butt plugs are clothes too

18:53:47 mircea_popescu: there's plenty to do.

18:54:26 nubbins`: okay, done!

18:54:33 nubbins`: they're mailing me a box

18:54:39 nubbins`: (which i always find amusing)

18:58:03 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: actually, i don't think i can even qualify my treatment as sexual harassment, let alone rape

18:58:16 mircea_popescu: wait, treatment by whom

18:58:19 nubbins`: apple

18:58:40 nubbins`: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2014#479085

18:58:43 mircea_popescu: nm what you say. i'm the feminist here.

18:58:52 mircea_popescu: and you'll be liberated willing or unwilling!

18:58:53 nubbins`: my sides, etc

19:02:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.155 BTC [+]

19:03:28 nubbins`: b.mine, b.sell, b.lel

19:03:47 kakobrekla: you b.mine and ill b.yours

19:03:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.155 BTC [+]

19:04:17 nubbins`: b.srs ;(

19:04:22 mircea_popescu: http://24.media.tumblr.com/1fa720b5fff90a1e7cbc058c22223aea/tumblr_mgegn4TAs81ru15g3o1_1280.jpg

19:04:25 mircea_popescu: regulation boots.

19:04:27 nubbins`: don't b.likethat

19:04:39 mircea_popescu: i mean b.oots.

19:06:30 mircea_popescu: lol ThickAsThieves you should have ofered 404 satoshi :D

19:08:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00092024 = 9.2944 BTC [-]

19:09:07 the20year1: mike_c: that's what the rep i was talking to said

19:09:16 the20year1: Technically i think we're live now, but not listed on the sidebar

19:09:22 mike_c: symbol?

19:10:11 ThickAsThieves: you cant see unpublic symbols without special permission

19:10:24 mike_c: do you have special permission?

19:10:25 ThickAsThieves: admin can give permission to any account tho

19:10:39 ThickAsThieves: ie the20year could show you

19:10:51 ThickAsThieves: but whats the point

19:10:53 ThickAsThieves: just wait

19:11:04 mike_c: no point. i was just wondering if it was up.

19:11:18 ThickAsThieves: oh, i cant see it either

19:11:34 ThickAsThieves: special permission only giveable by HL and issuer

19:12:22 mike_c: any particular reason you only PT'd s.mg?

19:13:08 pankkake: at the time there were many passthroughs elsewhere?

19:13:45 mike_c: i guess the volume is so small it's not even worth the headache.

19:14:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.080004 = 0.4 BTC [+] {3}

19:14:17 ThickAsThieves: you mean why didnt i also make MPOE and BBET?

19:14:25 mike_c: yeah

19:14:31 ThickAsThieves: a few reasons

19:14:43 ThickAsThieves: mostly revolving around volume

19:14:57 ThickAsThieves: there are fees to carry a listing

19:15:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1620 @ 0.00012985 = 0.2104 BTC [+]

19:15:09 mike_c: ah. ongoing fees.

19:15:28 ThickAsThieves: this led me to considering a MPEX4 or such

19:15:36 ThickAsThieves: basket

19:15:52 mike_c: index fund. i like that idea in general.

19:16:03 ThickAsThieves: but then I dont actually have supply of shares to share

19:16:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 22 @ 0.00565801 = 0.1245 BTC [-] {2}

19:16:23 ThickAsThieves: mpex already has a broker anyway

19:16:44 mike_c: yeah, but seems there is value to managing the index fund instead of having to do it yourself.

19:17:06 ThickAsThieves: too much work for too little reward

19:17:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 178 @ 0.00080556 = 0.1434 BTC [-] {9}

19:18:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC

19:18:33 ThickAsThieves: basically, BTC going to 1000, combined with BTCT and BF dying, killed a lot of the market

19:18:54 Dimsler__: whast btct again?

19:19:05 ThickAsThieves: Excel for Shares

19:19:08 Dimsler__: ohh the other one

19:19:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00012098 = 0.121 BTC [-] {7}

19:19:23 Dimsler__: funny

19:19:31 Dimsler__: cause btct was the only legit one

19:19:55 Duffer1: it was so legit it got shut down before the other

19:20:14 Dimsler__: well havelock is a pure boiler room

19:20:19 Dimsler__: filled with bs overvalued companies

19:20:35 ThickAsThieves: so legit that I had the only security on BTCT with a 0 score

19:20:47 Dimsler__: mmmhm

19:22:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00564219 = 0.5642 BTC [-] {3}

19:22:31 ThickAsThieves: hehe you still cant view btct.co market page without accepting "fantasy" disclaimer

19:22:51 mike_c: they have to keep that in the code for when they sell it

19:23:14 ThickAsThieves: lol

19:23:15 mircea_popescu: <Dimsler__> cause btct was the only legit one <<< so they said.

19:23:19 Dimsler__: lol

19:23:39 nubbins`: okay, so

19:23:42 mircea_popescu: in the end, same story as their mother : -50% in half a year.

19:23:44 nubbins`: remember earlier how my phone was broken?

19:23:49 mircea_popescu: nope

19:23:55 nubbins`: heh, eat a dick

19:23:58 ThickAsThieves: BTCT had a buyer, and I emphatically told Burnsy TAKE THE MONEY NOW

19:24:00 mircea_popescu: are you going to sell a spare charger now ?

19:24:04 nubbins`: nope

19:24:04 Dimsler__: i've lived through the NY / TSX boiler rooms, can easily spot all of them

19:24:07 ThickAsThieves: last I heard he was still holding out

19:24:11 ThickAsThieves: for better offer

19:24:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24200 @ 0.00091996 = 22.263 BTC [-] {3}

19:24:18 nubbins`: i just cleaned a massive amount of impacted lint out of the jack

19:24:23 nubbins`: and now it charges just fine.

19:24:24 Dimsler__: majority of the younger bitcoin nerds have no idea about financials

19:24:28 Dimsler__: or trading

19:24:29 mircea_popescu: burnside knows better than anyone, he's an ex car mechanic or w/e, so it's to be understood.

19:24:48 Dimsler__: yeah and roger ver was a fireworks salesman

19:24:55 Dimsler__: and you are the romanian John Smith

19:24:59 ThickAsThieves: I wonder if burnsy is still lurking

19:25:14 nubbins`: so i guess i'll be a joke at whatever call center "allegra" works at

19:25:27 Dimsler__: ideaoligist get butchered

19:25:28 mircea_popescu: cs chick's name actually listed as "allegra" ?!

19:25:39 ThickAsThieves: can I be the Portuguese Vasco da Gama

19:25:53 mircea_popescu: they're not even trying anymore, naming these is like namig cars.

19:26:05 mircea_popescu: please wait while you're being serviced by concorda

19:26:41 ThickAsThieves: This is Enron speaking, how may I help you?

19:26:50 Duffer1: ha

19:26:51 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: srsly, Sierra transferred me to Allegra

19:26:59 nubbins`: i started to suspect i was being had

19:26:59 mircea_popescu: should be like... integra. honesta. valua.

19:27:10 nubbins`: hope

19:27:27 mircea_popescu: "o hey valua... wanna go for drnks ? i'll buy you all the khalua you can put away"

19:27:36 ThickAsThieves: Fairness Commonsworth

19:27:56 mircea_popescu: imagine if the original inglebert humperdinck was trying to get hired.

19:28:04 ThickAsThieves: better than Catness at least

19:28:20 mircea_popescu: Kittah

19:28:25 nubbins`: "inglebert speaking, can i help you

19:28:37 mircea_popescu: actually i guess there's two clear sets of female made-up names : the stripper type and the customer service rep type

19:28:59 mircea_popescu: tho i seem to recall a vegas sierra chick.

19:29:18 nubbins`: i'm amazed both at how much lint was in there, as well as my failure to remove it before driving all around the city and waiting on hold for 20 minutes

19:29:32 nubbins`: sierra just reminds me of video games

19:29:49 ThickAsThieves: and me of beer

19:30:01 ThickAsThieves: poor mountain range

19:30:10 ThickAsThieves: it needs a better logo i guess

19:30:44 nubbins`: don't we all

19:30:49 ThickAsThieves: "I would be willing to sell ATC for AM100."

19:30:54 ThickAsThieves: wtf is wrong with these people

19:31:05 nubbins`: hahahahaha

19:31:16 nubbins`: flailing around in a soup of words and ideas

19:31:39 nubbins`: "will trade life preserver for large bag of cereal or nvidia graphics card"

19:31:42 Duffer1: how much was burns offered?

19:31:53 ThickAsThieves: i forget, likely 200btc range

19:32:14 ThickAsThieves: but i dunno what's made up and what's real anymore

19:32:15 ThickAsThieves: soooo

19:32:44 nubbins`: kraken still hasn't verified my totally fabricated personal info

19:32:47 the20year1: sierra the game company?

19:32:49 nubbins`: shoulda called it slacken

19:32:53 nubbins`: the20year1, yep

19:33:18 the20year1: I miss a10 2, betrayl at krondor and aces of the deep

19:35:01 nubbins`: * quest and the incredible machine here

19:35:12 nubbins`: TIM really stands the test of time

19:36:01 ThickAsThieves: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=348468.msg4936040#msg4936040 Ken let's one of his socks slip

19:36:11 dub: allegra's real name is kumarapatayafackalukoa zing

19:36:17 ThickAsThieves: "Just to clarify - Ken is regaining ACtM monies not his personal BTC. The 106BTC has been taken off our balance sheet"

19:36:24 ThickAsThieves: our

19:36:40 ThickAsThieves: or is this just another "we" as in being a part of something

19:37:01 ThickAsThieves: "My only advice is to buy some of these shares at 0.0005"

19:37:03 ThickAsThieves: lol

19:37:24 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves anyway, if it makes you feel any better, burnside's "buyer" was more fluff than anything.

19:37:27 nubbins`: it's amazing that bitcoin caught on at all with the amount of fail permeating every aspect of it

19:37:27 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

19:37:31 nubbins`: makes me want to divest

19:37:36 the20year1: burnside's buyer for btct?

19:37:49 ThickAsThieves: mp you are likely correct

19:37:49 mircea_popescu: nubbins` the relationship is inverse. bitcoin is backed by fail and drama. and butthurt.

19:37:51 the20year1: I know for a fact my brother made him an offer

19:37:52 dub: s/every aspect/the same tardcircle

19:38:15 mircea_popescu: dub has it.

19:38:26 ThickAsThieves: I relayed an offer, which was too low cuz not 200

19:38:28 mircea_popescu: basically... it's strateman fucking up bitcoinica and tux fucking up mtgox

19:38:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36686 @ 0.00092067 = 33.7757 BTC [+] {2}

19:38:30 nubbins`: yeah, that's valid

19:38:33 mircea_popescu: then both denying it and hiring each other

19:38:40 mircea_popescu: then denying it and starting a "foundation"

19:38:50 mircea_popescu: which fucks up and they deny and so on and on. it's pretty much one group of idiots.

19:38:59 mircea_popescu: which everyone mostly ignores by now anyways.

19:39:27 ThickAsThieves: dogecoin really gave us a little break time

19:39:53 mircea_popescu: and thankful we r.

19:39:58 nubbins`: dogecoin would make me weep, were it not for the endless lels

19:40:12 mircea_popescu: leltears are legitimate tears.

19:40:24 nubbins`: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1wyw6y/why_are_we_supposed_to_take_this_with_a_smile/

19:40:42 nubbins`: mp, my grin is so wide that it squeezes my tear ducts shut.

19:40:46 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla http://fraudsters.com/2014/bitbet-january-2014-statement/ btw

19:40:56 nubbins`: It's almost a regular occurrence now where a dogecoin proponent will make a post here proclaiming his or her disgust at how terrible a community we are, how we're all a bunch of greedy jerks, and that we're not as friendly as helpful and all-around-amazing as dogecoiners.

19:40:56 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

19:40:56 nubbins`: Does anyone not see the contradiction in this behavior? The louder and more strident these proclamations become, the more they demonstrate the opposite of their claims.

19:40:58 kakobrekla: aha aha

19:41:20 nubbins`: i might as well just have my sides surgically removed

19:41:34 mircea_popescu: lol reddit degenerating into all around bitchfest ?

19:41:38 nubbins`: yeah

19:41:48 nubbins`: some srs hate flowing between /r/bitcoin and /r/dogecoin

19:41:51 mircea_popescu: who could have foreseen this.

19:42:01 nubbins`: general consensus is that btc isn't fun enough

19:42:21 wao-ender: v0v https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtYOZRarQDs

19:42:21 mircea_popescu: They are only assholes to new people, not people that know all about bitcoin. My first experience with bitcoin users was asking them how do I buy it. The answers I got was "its so easy! How do you not know? You are stupid, its so simple" And lets not forget my favorite one..."If you don't know how to buy it, you shouldn't be buying it" For a new person to crypto, its basically like going into a restaurant with really r

19:42:21 mircea_popescu: eally good food and the waiters are only being nice to and serving their friends and the regular customers. If you've never eaten there, they wont even seat you. Basically ensuring that new customers never come back, and I promise you, there is a lot of money out there that never got to buy bitcoin because of these assholes.

19:42:23 ThickAsThieves: it's our first World War

19:42:25 mircea_popescu: dude this is so perfect.

19:42:31 ThickAsThieves: The doge army attacks

19:42:33 mircea_popescu: if this is in fact the experience bitcoin delivers i have won.

19:42:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14350 @ 0.00091882 = 13.1851 BTC [-] {3}

19:42:39 nubbins`: "I think the dogecoiners protest too much, and that they are in fact the opposite of what they claim. We shouldn't put up with it and I'm glad we have moderators who delete those threads."

19:42:43 pankkake: bernankoin welcomes dogefugees

19:43:14 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: does he realize, i wonder, that the tables in that restaurant are already all taken?

19:43:21 mircea_popescu: pankkake i doubt you can inflate enough to keep up with the doge ppl.

19:43:44 mircea_popescu: nubbins` does he realise, i wonder, that the people in thar restaurant are not his skin color, not his skin odour and not his education level ?

19:43:47 pankkake: of course I can, the more the diff the more the inflate

19:44:18 mircea_popescu: "what do you mean i'm not welcome anywhere as i am!!11!!1"

19:44:23 nubbins`: food is color blind, man

19:44:35 ThickAsThieves: I'm gonna reply "See what happens when there are too many coin options? This is why I invented Altcoin! "

19:44:58 kakobrekla: the 15th standard.

19:45:09 mircea_popescu: works.

19:46:19 Duffer1: .."seized by their issuer to recover losses under lien. It's legal..."

19:46:24 Duffer1: lolol

19:49:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.56999 BTC [-]

19:51:31 pankkake: award them the Internet Lawyer Diploma

19:51:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 52878 @ 0.00011202 = 5.9234 BTC [-] {9}

19:52:09 nubbins`: Ray Russell Reese III, that's a mouthful

19:52:13 Namworld: Can someone explain me why CBTC trades for almost 200 months of profits?

19:52:23 nubbins`: I've lost count of how many times people have confused my last name with "Reese"

19:52:37 nubbins`: Namworld: i don't think so, no :(

19:52:45 ThickAsThieves: Namworld, to piss you off

19:52:51 Duffer1: they probably think it's the next satoshidice

19:53:17 ThickAsThieves: or, "hope"

19:53:21 Namworld: Then Havelock says Coinroll wants too high a valuation.

19:53:31 Duffer1: wow

19:53:43 pankkake: > havelock says too high valuation

19:54:03 Duffer1: i'm having trouble believing that havelock said a valuation was too high

19:54:06 Namworld: They take just about anything, but they don't want Coinroll

19:54:17 KRS-: .bait

19:54:46 assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P410T] 1000 @ 0.38203597 = 382.036 BTC

19:55:01 nubbins`: pankkake: i know right?

19:55:16 ThickAsThieves: is that $410 or $4100?

19:55:23 pankkake: cbtc is supposed to announce an acquisition

19:55:24 mircea_popescu: that is 4100

19:55:24 ThickAsThieves: i havent been keeping track

19:55:29 ThickAsThieves: thx

19:55:40 mircea_popescu: and what the hell.

19:55:48 assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P500T] 1000 @ 0.4879146 = 487.9146 BTC

19:55:48 assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P485T] 1000 @ 0.47026816 = 470.2682 BTC

19:55:48 assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P470T] 1000 @ 0.45262172 = 452.6217 BTC

19:55:48 assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P455T] 1000 @ 0.43497529 = 434.9753 BTC

19:55:48 assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P440T] 1000 @ 0.41732885 = 417.3289 BTC

19:55:48 assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P425T] 1000 @ 0.39968241 = 399.6824 BTC

19:55:52 mircea_popescu: o boy

19:55:53 pankkake: lol

19:55:54 nubbins`: uh...

19:55:56 nubbins`: !

19:56:21 mike_c: check the manual, how do you withdraw from mpbor :D

19:56:24 mircea_popescu: these were all the bids incidentally.

19:56:33 mircea_popescu: so this is actually a btc long play

19:56:39 kakobrekla: mike_c send it on the No side

19:57:58 nubbins`: ;;calc (382+487+470+452+434+417+399)*[ticker --last]

19:57:58 gribble: 2829635.295

19:58:13 mircea_popescu: myeah

19:58:41 nubbins`: if you're buying us all ice cream, i prefer chocolate

19:59:17 mircea_popescu: by the looks of it i may end up buying someone a new yacht

19:59:51 assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P500T] 1000 @ 0.48788011 = 487.8801 BTC [-]

19:59:51 assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P485T] 1000 @ 0.4702347 = 470.2347 BTC [-]

20:00:04 mircea_popescu: o.o

20:00:08 nubbins`: cover the berthing fees for a year and you've got yourself a deal

20:00:10 ThickAsThieves: whoa

20:00:12 nubbins`: oh wow, not done yet

20:00:18 ThickAsThieves: so someone is writing all these Puts?

20:00:22 mircea_popescu: maybe i'm buying someone a new planet

20:00:47 mike_c: mpoe is writing them

20:00:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.10333326 = 0.31 BTC [+] {2}

20:00:53 assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P470T] 1000 @ 0.4525893 = 452.5893 BTC [-]

20:00:54 assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P455T] 1000 @ 0.4349439 = 434.9439 BTC [-]

20:00:55 assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P440T] 1000 @ 0.41729849 = 417.2985 BTC [-]

20:00:55 assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P425T] 1000 @ 0.39965309 = 399.6531 BTC [-]

20:00:55 assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P410T] 1000 @ 0.38200769 = 382.0077 BTC [-]

20:00:56 mircea_popescu: mike_c nope

20:00:57 mike_c: er, buying them :)

20:01:00 mircea_popescu: yeah

20:01:35 mircea_popescu: fucking options.

20:01:36 mircea_popescu: worst racket in the world.

20:01:47 mircea_popescu: when you get no customers you're depressed. but then when you do, you're worried.

20:02:24 nubbins`: ;;calc (382+487+470+452+434+417+399+487+470+452+434+417+399+382)*[ticker --last]

20:02:25 gribble: 5656260

20:02:26 ThickAsThieves: not being accusatory, but would this be a way for MPEX to squeeze MPBOR writers?

20:02:40 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves how would it go ?

20:02:44 ThickAsThieves: i dunno

20:02:48 mircea_popescu: then no lol.

20:02:51 mike_c: who said the speculator is going to win?

20:03:10 ThickAsThieves: well the idea would be for tyhe speculator to lose intentionally

20:03:11 mircea_popescu: speculator may well lose its speculative shirt.

20:03:32 ThickAsThieves: cuz speculator is mpex/mp itself

20:03:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.11576666 = 0.3473 BTC [+] {3}

20:04:00 mike_c: if speculator loses bondholders make money

20:04:08 mike_c: cuz lots of capital required = lots of interest

20:05:17 jurov: !t m ^oix

20:05:17 assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 122.22370491 / 121.39535668 / 120.63410743 (14 shares, 0.61 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)

20:05:17 jurov: ..computing...

20:05:55 mircea_popescu: nah cause they're sales see

20:06:58 assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P500T] 1000 @ 0.48820451 = 488.2045 BTC [+]

20:06:58 assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P485T] 1000 @ 0.47054938 = 470.5494 BTC [+]

20:06:58 assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P470T] 1000 @ 0.45289424 = 452.8942 BTC [+]

20:06:58 assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P455T] 1000 @ 0.43523911 = 435.2391 BTC [+]

20:06:58 assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P440T] 1000 @ 0.41758397 = 417.584 BTC [+]

20:06:58 assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P425T] 1000 @ 0.39992884 = 399.9288 BTC [+]

20:06:58 assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P410T] 1000 @ 0.3822737 = 382.2737 BTC [+]

20:07:05 mircea_popescu: of come on

20:07:09 ThickAsThieves: lol

20:07:28 mircea_popescu: well i suppose on the positive angle... this probably takes mpex avg trade pretty close to mpex account fee

20:07:42 mircea_popescu: much to the peanut gallery's delight

20:08:04 nubbins`: ;;calc (382+487+470+452+434+417+399+487+470+452+434+417+399+382+488+470+452+435+417+399+382)*[ticker --last]

20:08:05 gribble: 8486204.375

20:08:12 nubbins`: getting uncomfortable yet?

20:08:23 mircea_popescu: just a few k's. i've seen worse.

20:08:33 ThickAsThieves: ;;calc (382+487+470+452+434+417+399+487+470+452+434+417+399+382+488+470+452+435+417+399+382)*5000

20:08:33 gribble: 45625000

20:08:55 mircea_popescu: you guise... i can crash at your pads right ?

20:09:03 mircea_popescu: i could be as cool as taaki.

20:09:07 nubbins`: wait, you mean romania doesn't house the destitute for free?

20:09:20 mircea_popescu: no because it's run by nazi assholes who don't believe in welfare.

20:09:23 Namworld: Oh lol. http://www.reddit.com/r/actualmoney/

20:09:24 pankkake: does taaki take showers?

20:09:28 ThickAsThieves: i hear there's a lot of slave work in ROmania

20:09:30 nubbins`: Namworld, +1

20:09:31 ThickAsThieves: oh wait

20:09:34 mircea_popescu: pankkake when it rains

20:09:56 mircea_popescu: "ActualMoney HACKED! 70 million people's wallet information stolen! Wallet's flawed! May need to upgrade wallets to new version!"

20:10:04 ThickAsThieves: "actualmoney ATM spotted in the wild"

20:10:05 mircea_popescu: well that lasted 3 entries...

20:10:05 pankkake: hahaha sometimes reddit delivers

20:10:06 ThickAsThieves: lol

20:10:08 nubbins`: $8m USD in bennies would make it rain pretty hard

20:10:13 nubbins`: you'd get cotton fever

20:10:36 nubbins`: they do use cotton paper, yes?

20:11:05 mircea_popescu: so i guess bitbet killed last month... mpex kills this month...

20:11:17 mircea_popescu: we're sort-of taking turns to act as an executive officer for the week...

20:11:26 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: But $8m USD in pennies... Depending on how high they fall from might qualify as a mass casualty incident (hashtag)BitRichTerrorism

20:11:32 pankkake: so next month the cardano is shipping?

20:11:41 mircea_popescu: must be so

20:11:53 nubbins`: BingoBoingo: canada has abolished the penny, it's the way forward

20:12:09 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo pennymeteor

20:12:15 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Also cotton fever is from when you get the filter cotton stuck in your veins because Phillip Seymour Hoffman

20:12:22 mircea_popescu: lol

20:12:26 Namworld: How much collateral would a P500 require right now?

20:12:29 nubbins`: right, sure

20:12:54 nubbins`: i was getting confused with cotton lung

20:13:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC

20:13:06 nubbins`: byssinosis?

20:13:08 mircea_popescu: something like 6 btc

20:13:10 mircea_popescu: .6

20:13:24 mike_c: strike/spot

20:13:49 nubbins`: BingoBoingo: real men don't filter anyway

20:13:57 nubbins`: straight from spoon to digs

20:14:09 ThickAsThieves: some just traded AM100 for ATC, he

20:14:11 mircea_popescu: real men analdrop it ?

20:14:15 mike_c: ;;calc 500/[ticker --last]

20:14:15 gribble: 0.542169975254

20:14:37 ThickAsThieves: so through inventing nothing i provided AM100 liquidity

20:14:50 ThickAsThieves: magical

20:15:08 nubbins`: not bad

20:15:22 Duffer1: http://explo.yt/post/2014/01/21/Options-and-MPOE

20:15:27 Duffer1: ^ document not found

20:15:49 nubbins`: mircea_popescu, there was a "performance artist" here years ago who chugged a bottle of wine up his ass and attempted to shit it out

20:15:58 mircea_popescu: did he perform ?