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00:00:15 asciilifeform: re: inheritance tax crapolade: the usg elite does not bequeath/inherit via the usual mechanism, but rather by:

00:00:17 asciilifeform: !s merit washing

00:00:18 assbot: 25 results for 'merit washing' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=merit+washing

00:01:16 asciilifeform: i.e. send children to harvaprinceyaleton, internships in africa saving monkeys or whoever, they are then eminently paper-qualified and no one can possibly object (tm) to their ascendency as apparatchiks

00:01:35 asciilifeform: the process is reasonably well-documented by mr mold et al and i will not waste more space on it here

00:01:43 asciilifeform: except to remind n00bs of its existence on such occasions.

00:02:33 mircea_popescu: if moldy had bothered to run the demos rather than just too busy sitting on ass and opining, he'd have noticed this theory is about as leaky as his submarines.

00:02:41 mircea_popescu: run the numbers if you're bored.

00:02:50 asciilifeform: which numbers in particular ?

00:03:52 mircea_popescu: well, the ones contained in the theory. apparatchick count, ivy league output, rich list.

00:04:09 asciilifeform: recall that apparatchiks are not all, or even most, collecting official federal salaries.

00:04:13 mircea_popescu: see how many kids rich people of 1960 had, how many of them are in ivy league in 1980,

00:04:22 mircea_popescu: and of those how many in the apparatus by 2000

00:04:41 mircea_popescu: or, if you prefer, for simplicity, work backwards.

00:04:46 asciilifeform: iirc mr mold does not trace the descent of modern elite to the rich of 1960

00:04:50 mircea_popescu: who do we start with, de blasio ? cuomo ?

00:04:51 asciilifeform: in fact, specifically disclaims it

00:05:03 mircea_popescu: and if you say "this is midwest only" or "this is non democrat only " you already lost.

00:05:15 mircea_popescu: well then what's the testable hypothesis ?

00:05:43 asciilifeform: posits a phase transition some time in early '60s where the 'optimates' (his term, something like 'old money') were dethroned by 'brahmins' (the folks running the show today, socialist functionaries who work 'for the good of m4nk1nd')

00:06:37 mircea_popescu: but. what is. teh. teeeeestable.

00:06:39 mircea_popescu: hypothesis.

00:06:41 mircea_popescu: ya know ?

00:06:52 mircea_popescu: otherwise teh empty rhetoric is suspect of well... that.

00:07:22 asciilifeform: testable hypothesis is that folks presently coming in to officer the upper ranks of the usgarchy (including not merely cia, etc. but the vc circus) , are largely annointees of previous generation therein.

00:07:53 mircea_popescu: unlike what, post explosion tunguska ?

00:07:56 mircea_popescu: that's always the case.

00:08:04 asciilifeform: always, sure

00:08:11 asciilifeform: but in this case a specific mechanism is posited

00:08:27 asciilifeform: sub-rosa, maximally deniable annointment

00:08:29 mircea_popescu: which works about as well as random chance.

00:09:29 mircea_popescu: suppose the converse. i have a girl with any of my women, she witnesses the life in a harem geowing up, i tell her all the dirty secrets of the world because i dfon't give a fuck, i encourage her to parade naked in town when she's 16 and so on, and when i die i leave her half a billion in untraceable money.

00:09:38 mircea_popescu: and this chick's not going to succeed because um ?

00:09:58 mircea_popescu: obviously the offspring of the powerful will do just fine, unless a) the powerful's just a fake elite ;b) the offspring's retarded or c) both.

00:10:29 asciilifeform: wasn't even arguing against the succession per se (next what, i should argue against snow?) but the bizarre deception games

00:10:53 mircea_popescu: mebbe their gaminess' imagined.

00:11:34 asciilifeform: mebbe my chair is imagined

00:11:37 asciilifeform: and i'm actually on a stake.

00:12:20 mircea_popescu: tell me how does it feel

00:12:24 mircea_popescu: to be on a staaakeee...

00:12:27 mircea_popescu: anywya, ima brb

00:12:28 the_scourge: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2rfczg/the_bitcoin_consensus_red_herring/cng123b?context=3

00:12:29 assbot: davecgh comments on The Bitcoin Consensus Red Herring ... ( http://bit.ly/1z8KHTo )

00:12:31 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-10-2014#866943

00:12:31 assbot: Logged on 10-10-2014 00:52:32; asciilifeform: slightly different situation here. btc user without full node is just as likely to be walking around in a barrel, deluded by dope into thinking he's driving a car (like the characters in s. lem's 'futurological congress')

00:12:46 asciilifeform: [insert all other known plato-wanks ever in this space]

00:13:04 asciilifeform: bbl, food

00:14:20 the_scourge: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2rfczg/the_bitcoin_consensus_red_herring/cng123b?context=3

00:14:21 assbot: davecgh comments on The Bitcoin Consensus Red Herring ... ( http://bit.ly/1z8KUGb )

00:15:07 the_scourge: er, sorry. irssi not co-operating with x today

00:15:33 the_scourge: but interesting discussion anyways

00:17:25 the_scourge: i was reading some really old logs and ended up mindwandering into some things about consensus and the various btc implementations. i know the xcp guys have crossed this bridge as well, slightly different angle

00:19:23 BingoBoingo: If we must read reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2ummr4/part_3_cryptsy_stole_me_180_btc_withdraw_locked/

00:19:27 assbot: Part 3: Cryptsy stole me 180 BTC (Withdraw locked) : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/18LAUxE )

00:25:35 the_scourge: i don't care for reddit but the btcd guys were engaging in discussion on there

00:26:21 the_scourge: who is cryptsy and why should i care?

00:27:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 161200 @ 0.00037484 = 60.4242 BTC [-]

00:27:36 BingoBoingo: !s derp

00:27:37 assbot: 1516 results for 'derp' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=derp

00:27:50 BingoBoingo: !s ass*

00:27:51 assbot: 284517 results for 'ass*' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ass%2A

00:28:07 BingoBoingo: !s Cryptsy

00:28:08 assbot: 102 results for 'Cryptsy' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=Cryptsy

00:28:15 BingoBoingo: !s tits

00:28:16 assbot: 753 results for 'tits' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=tits

00:28:29 BingoBoingo: the_scourge: ^ context

00:31:11 BingoBoingo: Sure random anon bettors go with MP on 'Yes' https://bitbet.us/bet/1115/silk-road-deliberations-over-6-hours/

00:31:12 assbot: BitBet - Silk Road Deliberations Over 6 Hours :: 1.25 B (54%) on Yes, 1.06 B (46%) on No | closing in 23 hours 28 minutes | weight: 100`000 (100`000 to 100`000) ... ( http://bit.ly/1z8Murz )

00:40:08 the_scourge: now i know who they were and i still don't care

00:40:31 the_scourge: at least i'm better at unremembering things nowadays

00:40:38 the_scourge: 'night

00:44:58 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/02/phishing-with-coinbase/

00:46:07 cazalla: ^^^ this guy might've been able to steal more if he had the enough coins to make it worth his while to do some friendly fraud on coinbase but who knows

00:56:29 thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: what is the resolution source on that bet?

00:57:55 BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: I guess we are counting on the deliberation time being widely reported

01:02:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73500 @ 0.00038409 = 28.2306 BTC [+] {2}

01:18:39 punkman: another snip https://github.com/extempore/real-bitcoin/compare/guicruft-snip

01:18:41 assbot: Comparing master...guicruft-snip · extempore/real-bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1AqfcuK )

01:47:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42807 @ 0.00038415 = 16.4443 BTC [+]

02:07:29 asciilifeform: punkman: is that a total de-wxcrudification i see ?

02:07:34 asciilifeform: punkman: or only partial

02:07:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 170937 @ 0.00038299 = 65.4672 BTC [-] {2}

02:09:16 *: asciilifeform total chump, came back from buying super-pleasure-led light bulbs only to discover that they won't fit in a single fixture he has

02:09:58 mircea_popescu: pleasure leds ?

02:10:04 mircea_popescu: what are you, potted plant ?

02:10:10 *: asciilifeform learned from a previous chumpapade that the ones molded to occupy the space taken by ordinary bulb, are laughably dim

02:10:20 *: asciilifeform hence bought the 1600 lumen units

02:10:27 asciilifeform: ever so slightly too big.

02:10:36 mircea_popescu: "accidentally"

02:11:01 asciilifeform: not exactly. and not really a secret why

02:11:36 punkman: asciilifeform: punkman: is that a total de-wxcrudification i see ? << I think so

02:11:40 asciilifeform: (the massive heat sinks for the rectifier don't do well in enclosed domes. but idiots insisted on placing them therein anyway, torching their hose. never mind that my domes are open to 30cm of air on the top - can't allow fit!

02:11:48 asciilifeform: thinkofthechildren (tm)

02:11:53 asciilifeform: )

02:12:18 mircea_popescu: see, if only dc won,

02:12:22 mircea_popescu: you wouldn't need rectifiers.

02:12:29 asciilifeform: aha.

02:12:47 mircea_popescu: course the heat sink on the cables...

02:13:19 asciilifeform: what cables.

02:13:21 asciilifeform: bus bars.

02:13:24 mircea_popescu: lol

02:14:59 asciilifeform: punkman: looks like you clobbered all of it, nice

02:16:33 asciilifeform: http://www.delta-systems.co.uk/resources/Delta-copper-bus-bars2.jpg << for noobs who have never heard of a 'bus bar'

02:16:34 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1DDN9px )

02:17:11 asciilifeform: (if you need them in jungle conditions, a copper water pipe hammered flat generally suffices)

02:19:16 mircea_popescu: doesn't even have to be hammered

02:20:14 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: generally, one ought to. 'skin effect' doesn't apply at dc.

02:20:37 mircea_popescu: better fittings available for proper pipe.

02:21:09 asciilifeform: http://www.dartmouth.edu/~sullivan/litzwire/skin.html

02:21:10 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zGzVsY )

02:21:18 asciilifeform: better fittings - yes. for pipe.

02:21:23 asciilifeform: pipe to wire - problematic.

02:21:49 mircea_popescu: can always flatten the end :D

02:22:00 asciilifeform: i've been known to do just that.

02:22:04 asciilifeform: but i'm probably terminally lazy.

02:24:09 asciilifeform: http://lubelia.livejournal.com/1121217.html << general interest (arts)

02:24:30 asciilifeform: https://fotki.yandex.ru/next/users/ugluka/album/463141/view/980008?page=1&context= << this one in particular

02:24:31 assbot: Яндекс.Фотки ... ( http://bit.ly/1DDOE76 )

02:25:36 asciilifeform: mega-l0l at the Yandex ads:

02:25:48 asciilifeform: 'Наука узнавания еврея по лицу Гид по еврейскому лицу на booknik.ru18+ booknik.ru'

02:26:11 asciilifeform: ('guide to recognizing a jew using his face! guide to the jewish face on ...'

02:26:13 asciilifeform: )

02:26:25 asciilifeform: next ad is more mundane 'hotel rates in moscow' etc.

02:26:26 mircea_popescu: this is somehow of value ?

02:26:34 asciilifeform: of zoological value

02:26:41 asciilifeform: i have yet to see an ad like this on 'google'

02:26:46 asciilifeform: or in any engl. speaking venue

02:27:14 *: asciilifeform does not normally repost spam, but this is a serious new (to him) page in spamatronics

02:27:43 asciilifeform: as for the photo, i happen to like it. and think it would look good in any respectable salt mine.

02:27:46 asciilifeform: in break room.

02:30:25 asciilifeform: the_scourge: reddit article << now my turn to ask, what was the interesting part ?

02:30:30 asciilifeform: i'm unable to find one

02:30:56 asciilifeform: was it the stooge, proclaiming 'Then you shouldn't be pushing for btcd in the post. Btcd is harmful to consensus. Your proposal to have miners run multiple consensus implementations doesn't require btcd to exist and its existence doesn't benefit it.' ?

02:31:16 asciilifeform: we already know about the spam farms. it's over.

02:32:42 mircea_popescu: spam is over ?!

02:33:00 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform which reminds me, you know the joke with the jew an' the big mean dog ?

02:33:27 asciilifeform: 'only the dead shall see the end of spam'

02:33:30 asciilifeform: or the like

02:33:33 asciilifeform: big dog ?

02:34:12 asciilifeform: decimation: your cloak is broken.

02:34:15 mircea_popescu: a scrawny jewish real estate agent is going down the street to show a house to a customer. on the way, a large butchery, and in it a huge dog

02:34:25 mircea_popescu: which starts to bark quite furious. the jew stops in fear

02:34:31 decimation: oh no

02:34:40 mircea_popescu: the butcher, a huge guy with a huge mustache, "don't be afraid, it won't bite"

02:34:47 mircea_popescu: to which the jew retorts "my good man!

02:34:59 mircea_popescu: have you talked with the dog about this, or is it entirely your own opinion ?"

02:35:07 asciilifeform: l0l!

02:35:12 decimation: I wonder if it is because I joined before the cloak took effect

02:35:29 mircea_popescu: it ? getting flooded ?

02:36:10 asciilifeform: if using a braindamaged/misconfigured client, the time to stop is probably now

02:37:00 decimation: it's funny, I don't see many incoming packets

02:37:25 punkman: what's with the "(quit: Changing host)"?

02:38:25 mircea_popescu: nice last words.

02:38:41 mircea_popescu: "duck ? what duck ?! anvil ? what anvil ?"

02:38:56 asciilifeform: 'hey bubba, watch this'

02:39:16 *: asciilifeform learned these 'famous last words' without context, but always imagined a frag involved

02:39:18 mircea_popescu: ;;google 'hey bubba, watch this'

02:39:19 gribble: Hey Bubba, watch this! - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktMdSmIwJ8Y; HEY BUBBA - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkEyaynMV-Y; Hey Bubba Watch This by Ray Stevens | Song | Free Music, Listen ...: https://myspace.com/raystevensmusic/music/song/hey-bubba-watch-this-43324733-99663337

02:40:09 mod6: hi all

02:40:19 punkman: decimation: you need to use SASL

02:41:39 decimation: punkman: I did use sasl

02:41:53 mircea_popescu: use it twice!

02:42:04 punkman: decimation: you were already using it?

02:42:12 *: asciilifeform sits and contemplates mircea_popescu's software license, and increasingly likes it

02:42:27 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform have you notice how my shit grows on one in retrospect ?

02:42:39 decimation: punkman: ah no, apparently I failed to configure it when I changed computers

02:42:46 mircea_popescu: starts as a joke, which is kinda funny, except haha, only funny, except hm... etc.

02:43:10 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i like to think i've pulled off this effect once or twice on folks

02:43:53 mircea_popescu: what did the father of the girl schopenhauer was courting say ?

02:44:00 asciilifeform: ?

02:44:08 mircea_popescu: "he's a nice enough fellow, if only he were more serious."

02:44:33 asciilifeform: l0l

02:48:16 *: asciilifeform is inescapably curious re: how the license in the article would actually behave in a secular court

02:48:26 asciilifeform: should it somehow make its appearance there

02:49:07 asciilifeform: the last clause of part (ii) would probably give a traditional jurist indigestion

02:49:13 asciilifeform: but - ianal

02:49:30 mircea_popescu: actually it would in principle bar any sort of legally organised body from ever using the software.

02:49:37 asciilifeform: well yes

02:49:38 asciilifeform: no shit

02:49:53 mircea_popescu: so it's moot.

02:50:02 asciilifeform: but is contract (implicit, 'shrinkwrap', otherwise) where one promises to break a law, a valid contract ?

02:50:11 asciilifeform: for all i know the whole thing would be tossed, like a rich man's prenup

02:50:33 mircea_popescu: well but if the whole thing's tossed then they have not acquired the right to use it.

02:50:42 mircea_popescu: secular law is positive.

02:50:52 asciilifeform: but then it's just like a missing license.

02:51:01 mircea_popescu: no, it's like an actual unlicense.

02:51:07 asciilifeform: ^ good name

02:51:18 asciilifeform: short, descriptive.

02:51:20 asciilifeform: unlicense.

02:51:51 punkman: next we will start planning the real unmonastery

02:52:03 mircea_popescu: o no, that i already built.

02:52:19 punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=03-02-2015#1005496 << James C. Scott writes about this "legibility/illegibility" thing, quite relevant

02:52:19 assbot: Logged on 03-02-2015 23:19:43; mircea_popescu: exactly antitethical to how wots work, incidentally. because coherence is the only possible attacxk against a wot.

02:52:21 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu risks becoming famous as an 'anarchist' eben moglen now.

02:52:35 mircea_popescu: i can't be famous, for obvious reasons.

02:52:40 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu built un-nunnery

02:52:42 mircea_popescu: only the politically impotent can ever be famous.

02:52:50 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform punkman http://fraudsters.com/2015/aseara-fusei-la-una/ < first para.

02:52:50 assbot: Aseara fusei la una... pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DDTFwy )

02:52:50 asciilifeform: un-monaster probably can only exist in neal stephenson's novel 'anathem.'

02:54:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89394 @ 0.0003716 = 33.2188 BTC [-]

02:54:50 punkman: asciilifeform: see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2015#998393

02:54:50 assbot: Logged on 30-01-2015 12:58:09; punkman: http://unmonastery.org/

02:55:13 decimation: apparently my ISP simply cuts me off if there's an incoming flood

02:55:39 mircea_popescu: standard practice on cheap home connections, and the only reason the shit's even effective in any sense.

02:55:44 asciilifeform: decimation: i'm curious how you determined that this is so, rather than the ordinary behaviour of a flooded router

02:56:04 decimation: I was watching incoming packets on my main router

02:56:15 decimation: went from something to zero, but it took about 30 seconds

02:56:17 cazalla: http://www.cio.com.au/article/565496/webjet-exclusives-trials-bitcoin-payments/ sorta interesting if ya australia, not qntra newsworthy on account i would be stuck writing abc business converts bitcoin to fiat 24/7 otherwise

02:56:20 assbot: Webjet Exclusives trials Bitcoin payments - CIO ... ( http://bit.ly/1DDUi9j )

02:57:34 mircea_popescu: cazalla can't even be bothered to bet on it. "they'll make a bitcoin's worth of sales the first week, then half a bitcoin the next year and then that's that."

02:57:40 mircea_popescu: "driving adoption" the reddit way.

03:00:00 cazalla: well, at least they had the sense to avoid zhou's coinjar by going with bitpos instead

03:00:33 cazalla: might raise the eyebrow of vexual, think we're the only 2 aussies..

03:00:39 asciilifeform: re: ddos: i'm still at a loss at how snmp/ntp amplification ddosnets can carry on existing without a 'tragedy of the commons' situation - recall, anyone here could in principle invoke the chumpnet at any time

03:00:49 asciilifeform: by sending precisely the same kind of forged packets the idiot sends

03:00:55 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform cause we don't give a shit ?

03:01:07 decimation: who am I gonna spam?

03:01:10 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: well yes. but it also appears that no one, anywhere, gives a shit

03:01:20 mircea_popescu: there's this very narrow lost demographic, mostly at the periphery of the world, made up of kids smart enough to be able to do it but dumb enough to not have anything better to do.

03:01:23 asciilifeform: consider, any spammer in need of a ddosnet can simply walk into #b-a

03:01:24 mircea_popescu: it is really very very narrow.

03:01:26 asciilifeform: and get one for free

03:01:33 mircea_popescu: like, toothbrush sidewalk cleaners.

03:01:37 asciilifeform: lol

03:01:42 asciilifeform: that has to be it.

03:01:49 asciilifeform: i can't picture any other explanation, presently

03:01:52 mircea_popescu: if you can do it with a toothbrush you could ... restore art, or make your own, or be a surgeon or etc.

03:01:55 decimation: maybe someone should compile the list of broken devices and sell it on -otc?

03:02:09 mircea_popescu: decimation but the people who could do it could get it anyway

03:02:11 asciilifeform: decimation: kakobrekla and i already posted, for free...

03:02:22 mircea_popescu: and anyone else a) doesn't hjave the money and b) would just be happy to send you support tickets

03:02:29 asciilifeform: they also are not especially hard to scan for in the wild

03:02:30 mircea_popescu: because the webwhrores charge for talking to them

03:02:35 asciilifeform: which also helps to explain the disinterest

03:03:03 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform also relevant : http://fraudsters.com/2014/o-hai-let-me-wanna-be/#comment-111914

03:03:04 assbot: O hai let me wanna-be! pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1zdrrJj )

03:03:16 mircea_popescu: chumps are routinely downed for their troubles. but "dunno what it was ?!?!?!"

03:04:12 decimation: mircea_popescu: the guy is persistant, I would grant that though

03:04:28 asciilifeform: how much persistence does it take to leave an automaton going.

03:04:30 decimation: I'm not sure what point he is making, other than helping sort newbies here

03:04:40 mircea_popescu: in the sense that a nineteen year old with a very messy room is a persistent masturbator, sure.

03:04:48 decimation: well, presumably he has other people to harass for profit

03:04:52 mircea_popescu: lol

03:05:02 mircea_popescu: hey, want this bridge btw ? i'm selling it.

03:05:06 mircea_popescu: i make a lot of money selling bridges.

03:05:16 asciilifeform: on the days when b-a noobs are unmolested, presumably someone else is being serviced

03:05:17 mircea_popescu: online.

03:05:24 decimation: are you a professional with a license?

03:05:33 mircea_popescu: i am a successful online bridge merchant.

03:05:42 asciilifeform: bridge like a pro in twenty-one days.

03:05:44 mircea_popescu: i can have my customers contact you if you wish

03:06:29 mircea_popescu: i am the one that sold the ukalele guggenheim bridge in abudja

03:06:41 asciilifeform: https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&sa=1&q=twenty-one+days+book

03:06:42 assbot: twenty-one days book - Google Search ... ( http://bit.ly/1zds4CC )

03:06:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104219 @ 0.00037237 = 38.808 BTC [+] {2}

03:07:02 decimation: learn to write twenty-one days books in just twenty-one days

03:07:39 asciilifeform: i have this notion that the original was the cpp one.

03:07:53 mircea_popescu: "my twenty-one days dating twenty-one twenty-one day book authors"

03:07:53 asciilifeform: 'learn c++ in 21 days'

03:08:19 mircea_popescu: "my twenty-one days dating twenty-one twenty-one years old twenty-one day book authors"

03:08:41 asciilifeform: some wag had a (unfortunately parodic) 'learn to code in 21 years'

03:09:07 mircea_popescu: how i learned twenty one languages twenty one times in twenty one days

03:09:46 cazalla: mircea_popescu, http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/02/04/world/americas/argentina-prosecutor-alberto-nisman-arrest-warrant-cristina-de-kirchner.html?referrer=

03:09:49 assbot: Log In ... ( http://bit.ly/1zdssAU )

03:09:58 mircea_popescu: wait wut

03:10:17 mircea_popescu: a that. yeah.

03:10:48 cazalla: figured it was new aspect to that story, don't remember reading in logs he planned to arrest that chick

03:12:02 mircea_popescu: yeah it was one of the numerous points making a juicy press story

03:12:17 mircea_popescu: anyway, he can't actually do it. you can;t arrest a president.

03:12:24 mircea_popescu: however, her term's about over, after which...

03:13:30 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im pretty sure it was.

03:13:40 mircea_popescu: early 90s

03:25:18 mod6: incase anyone was interested, here's my errors from yesterday: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=iweEQCpu

03:25:20 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1DDY3LN )

03:26:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108850 @ 0.00037444 = 40.7578 BTC [+] {2}

03:29:06 decimation: http://sciencecareers.sciencemag.org/career_magazine/previous_issues/articles/2015_02_03/caredit.a1500027 << "But the first report on the class of 2015 from the respected National Association of Colleges and Employers (NACE), which conducts multiple surveys of employers’ hiring intentions throughout the year, projects a 9% drop in the salaries of new computer science bachelor's degree graduates, from $67,300 in 2014 to $61,287 this

03:29:07 assbot: Another funny thing happened on the way to the STEM shortage | Science Careers ... ( http://bit.ly/1DDYtBR )

03:29:07 decimation: year."

03:36:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 130795 @ 0.00036764 = 48.0855 BTC [-]

03:48:01 mike_c: jurov: please and ty: http://pastebin.com/Dp3RbqtU

03:48:02 assbot: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Please deposit s.qntr shares - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1DE0RbQ )

03:53:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40886 @ 0.0003676 = 15.0297 BTC [-] {2}

04:17:00 asciilifeform: http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/01/27/world/americas/journalist-damian-pachter-in-argentina-fearing-for-his-safety-flees-to-israel.html

04:17:03 assbot: Log In ... ( http://bit.ly/1zdCW3s )

04:17:10 asciilifeform: ^ re: that thing

04:19:40 asciilifeform: mod6: 'ERROR: ConnectInputs() : 2c2314f353 VerifySignature failed' always ?

04:20:42 mod6: I could try it again.

04:20:52 asciilifeform: mod6: i notice it was the same in the first pastebin

04:20:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53761 @ 0.00036626 = 19.6905 BTC [-]

04:21:05 asciilifeform: mod6: do these refer to 2 distinct runs ?

04:21:05 *: mod6 looks back

04:21:12 mod6: yeah, two seperate runs

04:22:23 asciilifeform: for reference, http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp#0942

04:22:24 assbot: Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/main.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1zdDTbN )

04:22:45 asciilifeform: grep your debug.log for any other instances of 'VerifySignature failed'

04:23:29 mod6: yeah.

04:23:32 mod6: I see that.

04:23:46 *: mod6 looks @ main.cpp

04:24:03 asciilifeform: it isn't in any of my debug.log.

04:24:08 asciilifeform: in my entire collection

04:24:14 asciilifeform: (which is a few years long)

04:24:23 asciilifeform: but this doesn't tell us anything earth-shaking, yet

04:25:45 mod6: hmm. i remember this bit of code in main

04:25:47 asciilifeform: in turn,

04:25:49 asciilifeform: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp#1099

04:25:50 assbot: Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/main.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1xc8NMz )

04:26:05 asciilifeform: is the only place where fBlock is true

04:29:46 danielpbarron: my pogo running asciilifeform's bastard crashes quite often

04:29:55 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: as did mine

04:29:58 asciilifeform: but how often.

04:30:06 danielpbarron: every hour or so

04:30:06 asciilifeform: and what kind of crash

04:30:18 asciilifeform: the usual oom ?

04:30:59 asciilifeform: i'm actually not certain that 250 is low enough setting to make a detectable difference on pogo

04:31:00 danielpbarron: std::bad_alloc

04:31:07 asciilifeform: ^ that'd be an oom.

04:31:34 asciilifeform: the bastard patch made the thing actually usable on pc for the first time (in my view)

04:31:41 asciilifeform: but has not solved the central problem of pogo

04:32:06 danielpbarron: is this something swap space would solve?

04:32:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99475 @ 0.00036382 = 36.191 BTC [-]

04:32:18 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: swapping on a pogo is a nonstarter

04:32:22 asciilifeform: go ahead, try it

04:32:54 danielpbarron: i'll take your word for it :p

04:32:56 asciilifeform: (for one thing, you are liable to nuke your ssd, if you have one)

04:33:08 asciilifeform: by no means is anyone encouraged to take my word for things.

04:33:43 danielpbarron: i'm currently using a sdd

04:33:54 danielpbarron: the old-fashioned laptop spinny drive arrive today

04:34:11 asciilifeform: swapping is the more or less one guaranteed way to ruin an arbitrarily good ssd.

04:34:14 danielpbarron: ss*

04:34:41 danielpbarron: what about spinning drive for swap and usb3 flash drive for chain

04:34:59 asciilifeform: requiring a spinning drive is bleh

04:35:01 danielpbarron: rather not have to do that though

04:35:08 asciilifeform: not to mention dog slow

04:35:10 asciilifeform: as in, unusably

04:35:53 asciilifeform: bitcoin could handily run under 100MB constant if the whole bastards thing were somehow bulldozed

04:36:21 asciilifeform: in my 'valgrind' experiments, i've found that it is responsible for virtually all growth in footprint since powerup

04:37:23 asciilifeform: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/bitcoinj/nPwTvke0VOM << mod6, others

04:37:24 assbot: Google Discussiegroepen ... ( http://bit.ly/1zdFQ8k )

04:37:27 asciilifeform: ^ interesting

04:37:49 *: danielpbarron has a fresh new gentoo install

04:38:53 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: tried building yet ?

04:39:08 asciilifeform: note that you can build for pc if you replace the cross compiler with standard gcc

04:39:10 danielpbarron: waiting for stuff to install

04:39:20 asciilifeform: you can then use same script ('portatronic')

04:39:28 asciilifeform: for all builds

04:39:30 danielpbarron: neat

04:40:02 danielpbarron: what is the prefered format for documentation? .txt, .html ?

04:40:11 asciilifeform: i'd say txt

04:40:44 mod6: it seems like the growing thought seems to be to get a list of 50300 active nodes and seed those directly into the R.I., or am I misunderstanding that??

04:41:01 asciilifeform: iirc that was the closest thing to a plan

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04:41:59 []bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Obama Impeached" http://bitbet.us/bet/1062/ Odds: 12(Y):88(N) by coin, 14(Y):86(N) by weight. Total bet: 3.6059 BTC. Current weight: 74,101.

04:42:11 asciilifeform: http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2012/05/19#l1337398628 << also interesting

04:42:11 assbot: BitcoinStats ... ( http://bit.ly/1zdGzpO )

04:42:17 *: mod6 looks

04:43:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106400 @ 0.00036126 = 38.4381 BTC [-] {2}

04:47:46 punkman: http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2012/05/14#l1336971557

04:47:47 assbot: BitcoinStats ... ( http://bit.ly/1zdHFlC )

04:49:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95132 @ 0.00036576 = 34.7955 BTC [+] {2}

04:54:51 mod6: thanks for the links asciilifeform

04:57:05 mod6: thx punkman

05:10:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78550 @ 0.00036811 = 28.915 BTC [+]

05:11:00 *: mod6 digs through debug.log

05:19:06 punkman: mod6, this might be relevant https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/d68dcf741e088d8d7033521aa1a1e5e87d9dd283

05:19:07 assbot: Limit the impact of reorganisations on the database · d68dcf7 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1uWaspC )

05:19:42 asciilifeform: punkman: interesting find

05:20:05 punkman: also commits on bottom of this page: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commits/master/src/main.cpp?page=23

05:20:07 assbot: History for src/main.cpp - bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1uWaDkA )

05:21:32 *: mod6 looks

05:22:59 punkman: oh wait, not very relevant

05:24:20 punkman: that sipa/unstuck commit caught my eye

05:30:50 mod6: asciilifeform: so is the thought to connect to nodes that are fully-sync'd? and the issue is that we're connecting, by chance to nodes that do not have full sync?

05:31:07 mod6: I'm looking at your email (http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000046.html) and just wondering about this list...

05:31:19 asciilifeform: either that, or reject garbage in some more efficient way

05:31:32 mod6: (that starts after this line: (Warning - long. You can safely skip to the end.))

05:31:54 mod6: ok. interesting. wonder if that relates to this:

05:34:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 156500 @ 0.00038361 = 60.035 BTC [+]

05:34:21 mod6: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/921#issuecomment-5123768

05:34:23 assbot: checkmark shows blockchain fully downloaded, but progress bar shows 99% · Issue #921 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1CY2Fhj )

05:35:00 mod6: anyway, guess it doesnt matter

05:35:39 mod6: is there an easy way to feed bitcoind a list of nodes that we want to use for seed?

05:36:15 asciilifeform: mod6: iirc punkman found a way to roll them all into the config

05:36:28 asciilifeform: (with no additional code)

05:36:55 punkman: connect or addnode in bitcoin.conf should work

05:37:17 mod6: ahh, thats right!

05:37:30 mod6: good-ole ATC taught us that :]

05:37:52 mod6: aight. time to test this out.

05:38:45 asciilifeform: mod6: we're connecting, by chance to nodes that do not have full sync << we also get every new block thrown at us

05:38:48 asciilifeform: whether ready or not

05:46:12 mod6: ok well asciilifeform, I think I'll try the first one in your list since it's 100% sync'd

05:46:24 mod6: as opposed to these:

05:46:25 asciilifeform: mod6: you realize these are ancient numbers

05:46:34 asciilifeform: of questionable veracity to begin with

05:46:53 ben_vulpes: evening.

05:47:01 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes!

05:47:10 ben_vulpes: salud

05:47:15 ben_vulpes: i come in unprepared for this conversation

05:47:26 mod6: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Ck6H6xwv

05:47:27 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1CY3TcH )

05:47:48 mod6: asciilifeform: oh the sipa txt is super old 'eh

05:47:59 asciilifeform: mod6: i actually don't know precisely how old

05:48:04 asciilifeform: but certainly not real-time current.

05:48:33 mod6: alright. thx.

05:49:53 ben_vulpes: all of this over a few IPs

05:50:25 ben_vulpes: peer discovery is totally fucked.

05:50:33 ben_vulpes: unsurprising, but disappointing.

05:50:40 ben_vulpes: sounds like it needs a bit of manual ass-kicking.

05:51:29 ben_vulpes: now i understand how sensitive everyone is to the exposure of weapons-grade nodes to the internet at large, but i for one would greatly appreciate a few nodes of known vintage that would barf blocks to me at will for the testing of various bitcoinds.

05:52:01 asciilifeform: exposure of weapons-grade nodes to the internet at large << wai wat?! how would node function off the net ?

05:52:13 *: danielpbarron has two nodes on two different ips running different versions

05:53:03 ben_vulpes: the foundation's resources are meager. big servers that can build in parallel and download many chains in parallel are probably not a feasible acquisition at this time.

05:53:20 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: there's a bit of difference between connecting a node to the net and putting the IP into -assets.

05:53:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 120104 @ 0.00038367 = 46.0803 BTC [+] {2}

05:53:55 mod6: first one is muerte

05:53:59 *: mod6 tries another

05:54:59 mod6: second one was active 1.34.180.245

05:55:08 *: mod6 eats

05:57:08 asciilifeform: mod6: use my liveness tester

05:59:37 *: mod6 try it out

06:03:45 asciilifeform: mod6: the second version posted uses lists of ip in plain ascii

06:04:25 mod6: yeah, using 2nd version. thanks!

06:05:27 punkman: jurov, how come diff doesn't work http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/diff/src/main.cpp

06:05:28 assbot: Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/main.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1CY5MWJ )

06:05:44 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: if your node can't survive being linked in -assets, it probably isn't fit to fight in the great war

06:08:01 mod6: PASS: 0; FAIL 313500.

06:08:31 mod6: i must have done something wrong. but anyway, I'll give it a shot tomorrow.

06:08:41 mod6: im gonna leave this sync run overnight.

06:09:00 mod6: for the record, its: v0.5.3 + patches { 1, rm_rf_upnp, 2, 3, 4 & 6 }

06:09:43 mod6: buenas noches b-a

06:10:42 ben_vulpes: sleep well

06:43:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62350 @ 0.00036807 = 22.9492 BTC [-] {2}

07:01:35 cazalla: i think it is interesting to note that qntra has surpassed a competing site, founded in april 2014, in what.. 4 months.. https://www.quantcast.com/coinbrief.net vs https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net

07:01:36 assbot: Coinbrief.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast ... ( http://bit.ly/16g3fu2 )

07:01:38 assbot: Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast ... ( http://bit.ly/1v2UsSv )

07:05:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67800 @ 0.00036804 = 24.9531 BTC [-]

07:09:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69050 @ 0.00036703 = 25.3434 BTC [-] {2}

07:14:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56505 @ 0.00037435 = 21.1526 BTC [+]

07:19:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 4912 @ 0.00094242 = 4.6292 BTC [-] {24}

07:23:13 punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fWhYJNZt08

07:23:14 assbot: Dashcam footage captures Taiwan plane crash - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/16g5Xjk )

07:29:16 punkman: "There’s a distinction between the Internet and IRL for a reason. We are here in IRL, and we have to make judgements in IRL." - Ulbricht's lawyer

07:36:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23200 @ 0.00036933 = 8.5685 BTC [-]

07:41:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92187 @ 0.00036525 = 33.6713 BTC [-] {2}

07:48:59 cazalla: punkman, horry sheet

08:02:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 407904 @ 0.00037601 = 153.376 BTC [+] {4}

08:07:21 punkman: http://eoimages.gsfc.nasa.gov/images/imagerecords/85000/85218/MediterraneanSea_amo_2015032_lrg.jpg

08:07:25 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/18Mx3QS )

08:07:28 punkman: it's been dusty

08:11:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 156057 @ 0.00038379 = 59.8931 BTC [+] {2}

08:12:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103315 @ 0.00038521 = 39.798 BTC [+] {2}

08:22:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90450 @ 0.00036231 = 32.7709 BTC [-]

08:34:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 167720 @ 0.00037933 = 63.6212 BTC [+]

08:59:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 173350 @ 0.00036705 = 63.6281 BTC [-] {3}

09:09:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 158000 @ 0.00036121 = 57.0712 BTC [-] {2}

09:17:59 danielpbarron: ;;later tell LainZ gribble> New rating | LainZ > 1 > pankkake | bitcoin enthusiast, miss his trolling on #b-a << wrong WoT -- assbot forked it

09:17:59 gribble: The operation succeeded.

09:22:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 229700 @ 0.0003652 = 83.8864 BTC [+] {2}

09:54:45 danielpbarron: ;;rated irdial

09:54:45 gribble: You rated user irdial on Mon Jan 12 17:05:35 2015, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: blocked me on twitter, but i forgive him. https://twitter.com/Beautyon_/status/514374369569939456.

09:54:49 danielpbarron: !rated irdial

09:54:49 assbot: irdial is not registered in WoT.

09:55:02 danielpbarron: ;;later tell kakobrekla ^ ??

09:55:02 gribble: The operation succeeded.

09:56:00 danielpbarron: wanted to do this -> !rate irdial -2 UnSavory Garnish http://twitter.com/beautyon_/status/562908880511201280

09:56:01 assbot: Bonafide Raises $850k to Build Reputation System for Bitcoin http://t.co/bTDihYENyC

09:56:01 kakobrekla: >Mon Jan 12

09:56:15 kakobrekla: after fork

09:56:28 danielpbarron: ah

09:57:00 danielpbarron: well that makes sense considering what he just said to me on twitter

09:59:26 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/02/is-bitnplay-a-case-of-shuffle-up-and-steal/

10:02:03 cazalla: i thought maybe irdial drank more than me but who knows

10:02:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63600 @ 0.00036019 = 22.9081 BTC [-] {3}

10:09:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 143000 @ 0.00036893 = 52.757 BTC [+]

10:10:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49300 @ 0.00037048 = 18.2647 BTC [+]

11:06:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 154800 @ 0.00037071 = 57.3859 BTC [+] {2}

11:15:32 adlai: "Job Title / Occupation" the only possible answer i can find to this question is "Palestine", but i don't think that's what they're asking for

11:22:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99700 @ 0.00037229 = 37.1173 BTC [+] {2}

11:25:06 mthreat: ;;later tell mircea_popescu i'm going to try sending a bitcoin txn today from antarctica. the amount will be 0.1337 btc

11:25:06 gribble: The operation succeeded.

11:30:13 cazalla: mthreat, is that a first?

11:30:17 jurov: you're sending it to mpex? as gracious donation to shareholders?

11:30:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 217650 @ 0.00037875 = 82.4349 BTC [+] {2}

11:33:08 mthreat: cazalla: I'm not sure, but I'll claim it and see wh ochallenges it ;) Kind of like how countries claimed parts of antarctica when they arrived.

11:33:46 mthreat: jurov: i'm sending it as a donation, sure. MP said he would send it back if I want.

11:34:09 cazalla: well, let me know when it's done and the transaction ID and i'll post it up on qntra as the first when i wake in the morning

11:34:14 jurov: do you have la serenissima flag to claim it?

11:39:38 mthreat: cazalla: Here it is: https://blockchain.info/tx/4cb1574e6bbb5f5d39b00a8791d82e11a6dc32600a02f80266f94268ee518a0d

11:39:40 assbot: Bitcoin Transaction 4cb1574e6bbb5f5d39b00a8791d82e11a6dc32600a02f80266f94268ee518a0d ... ( http://bit.ly/1DxdNQt )

11:40:18 jurov: it says gulf of guinea!!! scam!!1

11:40:56 cazalla: lol scam

11:41:15 cazalla: i'm headed to bed, i'll figure it out in the morn

11:41:24 mthreat: Here's exactly where I am, for the details: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Lockroy

11:41:25 assbot: Port Lockroy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dxe2eo )

11:41:41 mthreat: and my tweet: https://twitter.com/mthreat/status/562938829267808259

11:41:42 assbot: I just sent a 0.1337 bitcoin transaction from Port Lockroy, Antarctica - https://t.co/wV7cVjqjk2

11:41:42 jurov: (;

11:48:15 jurov: congrats!

12:05:09 []bot: Bet placed: 5 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment" http://bitbet.us/bet/786/ Odds: 20(Y):80(N) by coin, 43(Y):57(N) by weight. Total bet: 5514.50957001 BTC. Current weight: 3,130.

12:44:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 150700 @ 0.00037924 = 57.1515 BTC [+]

12:46:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 244199 @ 0.00037928 = 92.6198 BTC [+] {2}

12:56:41 BingoBoingo: !up hdbuck

12:56:45 BingoBoingo: Hello hdbuck

13:13:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77950 @ 0.00037933 = 29.5688 BTC [+]

13:19:32 adlai: bitcoin hasn't been in space yet, right? iirc somebody sent chris hadfield a changetip, but that's not bitcoin...

13:20:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 228150 @ 0.00038056 = 86.8248 BTC [+] {3}

13:21:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98050 @ 0.00037634 = 36.9001 BTC [-]

13:30:25 jurov: gotta launch the pogoplug

13:33:26 jurov: int space

13:34:45 mod6: morning. ok lastnights test wedged going against a fully-loaded 70002 seed: http://pastebin.com/4Ps9ZxDJ

13:34:46 assbot: root@ip-W-X-Y-Z:/mnt/btc-dev/sandbox/bitcoin-bitcoin-a8def6b/src# date Wed Feb - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1uXfhyQ )

13:35:13 mod6: no worries, gotta run though, will test direct against a 50300 later tonight.

13:38:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23451 @ 0.00037104 = 8.7013 BTC [-]

13:55:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 126549 @ 0.00037104 = 46.9547 BTC [-]

14:02:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 167186 @ 0.00038011 = 63.5491 BTC [+] {3}

14:05:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1500 @ 0.00096846 = 1.4527 BTC [-] {5}

14:30:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42751 @ 0.00037261 = 15.9295 BTC [-]

14:46:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 270082 @ 0.00036266 = 97.9479 BTC [-] {3}

15:00:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109753 @ 0.00037063 = 40.6778 BTC [+]

15:01:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32396 @ 0.00037063 = 12.0069 BTC [+]

15:05:11 mircea_popescu: o hey, first antarctica bitcoin tx ?

15:07:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 277142 @ 0.00036543 = 101.276 BTC [-] {3}

15:08:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78558 @ 0.00035949 = 28.2408 BTC [-]

15:11:11 mircea_popescu: mod6 persuing your error log : it would seem to me that for some reason your peers keep pumping you with blocks height=168002 and over, whereas yotu never get height=168001.

15:11:20 mircea_popescu: this causes oom errors because narrow space for orphans.

15:11:30 mircea_popescu: it MAY be a subtle off-by-one error somewhere in the code.

15:12:05 mircea_popescu: note that none of the blocvks you receive match your sent getdata.

15:15:11 mircea_popescu: the fact that no checkpoints means no error would perhaps bolster the "bad code, off by one" hypothesis and relate it to the checkpoints implementation.

15:16:08 mircea_popescu: decimation: from $67,300 in 2014 to $61,287 this << remember the lulzy "need immigration to maintain geniusness of industree" paul graham nonsense ?

15:16:38 mircea_popescu: aka "too many english speakers read fraudsters, lol @ us, need fresh turnip trucks plox"

15:19:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54972 @ 0.00038081 = 20.9339 BTC [+] {2}

15:23:04 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: swapping is the more or less one guaranteed way to ruin an arbitrarily good ssd. << while the principle is correct, in point of fact i would like this experimentally tried in our current case.

15:24:24 mircea_popescu: roughly speaking, my rationale is like this : because a large chunk of fixed data is always present (the actual blockchain), should a 100gb ssd be blessed with a 4gb swap partition, the drive finds itself in the position where the 100gb * 10k (say) writes are available as such : 100gb of them for the actual data, and 100gb * 9999 for the 4gb partition.

15:24:58 mircea_popescu: obviously 250`000 full rewrites of the swap means a decade or more of intense usage, and so, a perfectly economic use of the ssd in question.

15:25:45 mircea_popescu: so danielpbarron, if you feel like trying a generous swap on one of the pogos, with the understanding that the ssd disk you put in there will likely fry, please do so, and document the exeriment as well as possible.

15:26:00 danielpbarron: k

15:28:15 mircea_popescu: it's an ideal usecase for the "use ssd until it fries" because the value of running a pogo is in its running. so a pogo that ran for 3.5 years then died, had part replaced and resynced over three weeks then ran for another 3.5 years is a perfectly functional, 99.999% uptime pogo as good as any other.

15:28:26 mircea_popescu: same can almost never be said of catastrophic failure hdd system.

15:34:35 thestringpuller: who cares about hdd's frying when you gotz da raidz

15:34:55 thestringpuller: hot swap those bitches

15:35:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 169000 @ 0.00039079 = 66.0435 BTC [+] {3}

15:38:59 thestringpuller: http://newsbtc.com/2015/02/04/st-petersburg-bowl-bitpay-sponsor-nascar-driver/ << so bitpay is going the way of dogecoin

15:39:08 thestringpuller: "Mass Adoption! Ya ya ya!"

15:39:12 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: bitcoin could handily run under 100MB constant if the whole bastards thing were somehow bulldozed << yeah it's one of those serious issues that should have been on teh priority list of actual core devs. in 2012.

15:40:06 mircea_popescu: mod6: it seems like the growing thought seems to be to get a list of 50300 active nodes and seed those directly into the R.I., or am I misunderstanding that?? << completely misunderstanding that.

15:40:16 mircea_popescu: the plan is to put wot-member signed nodes in and nothing else.

15:40:59 thestringpuller: RE Tax man accepting bitcoin from yesterday logs: http://panampost.com/belen-marty/2015/02/04/new-hampshire-bill-backs-bitcoin-for-state-taxes/

15:42:26 thestringpuller: o look mircea_popescu the author is in your neck of the woods: "Belén Marty is the Libertarian Latina, a journalist based in Buenos Aires, Argentina."

15:42:42 mircea_popescu: she can figure out how to get in here like anyone else.

15:42:52 mircea_popescu: my neck of the woods is a city larger than all of california.

15:46:06 fluffypony: http://www.savagechickens.com/wp-content/uploads/chickenhappy70.jpg

15:46:07 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1u8P3ON )

15:46:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 166400 @ 0.00038906 = 64.7396 BTC [-]

15:46:53 mircea_popescu: heh

15:48:06 mircea_popescu: cazalla: i think it is interesting to note that qntra has surpassed a competing site, founded in april 2014 << i have never heard of it, but mebbe ask em if they want to join in ?

15:48:31 mircea_popescu: seems a lone guy with enough irl acumen to make a corp.

15:48:59 mircea_popescu: punkman: "There?s a distinction between the Internet and IRL for a reason. We are here in IRL, and we have to make judgements in IRL." - Ulbricht's lawyer << did he actually point to the distinction or merely presume it ?

15:55:38 mircea_popescu: assbot: Bonafide Raises $850k to Build Reputation System for Bitcoin << pics! http://fraudsters.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/bonafide-1.jpg http://fraudsters.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/bonafide-2.jpg

15:55:38 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1u8SxRx )

15:55:39 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1u8SAws )

15:56:09 fluffypony: lol

15:56:38 mircea_popescu: (that's what the azns call a love hotel, above. and that's a [cheap] whore cafe)

15:58:28 mircea_popescu: mthreat: Here's exactly where I am, for the details << yeh but how are we to verify!

15:58:40 mircea_popescu: maybe you're hanging out with capitanich all along!

15:59:13 punkman: mircea_popescu: I presume the guy's closing argument was him flapping his hands

15:59:21 mircea_popescu: lol

16:08:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 118900 @ 0.00038906 = 46.2592 BTC [-]

16:09:21 mircea_popescu: cazalla BingoBoingo http://pastebin.com/hZVCehf8 << for your editorial consideration.

16:09:22 assbot: Title : IBL, almost larger than IRL. First ever (as far as we currently know - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1C0MG0M )

16:12:42 mircea_popescu: "Bitnplay's failure to launch comes off the back of what can only be described as a disappointing result in an attempt to raise 400 BTC. Offering a total of 200 tokens to investors via CounterParty, Bitnplay managed to sell a grand total of 5, netting them 10 BTC."

16:12:43 mircea_popescu: lawl.

16:14:39 jurov: re:pogostick swap woes - has anyone tried to enable zram?

16:15:22 mircea_popescu: wouldn't that slow it down futher ? cpu wise i mean

16:15:58 mircea_popescu: and also, isn't it merged into kernel by now ?

16:18:46 jurov: it must be enabled in any case

16:19:05 jurov: compressed in-memory swap is not suitable for everything by default

16:19:38 mircea_popescu: this is true.

16:24:46 PeterL: mircea_popescu:the plan is to put wot-member signed nodes in and nothing else. << add another command to assbot to collect ip addrs?

16:25:06 mircea_popescu: nah, people can just use deedbot

16:27:42 jurov: half of our condo got flooded from somewhere two stories above. phun.

16:28:26 jurov: i've got only a puddle fortunately.

16:28:50 mircea_popescu: what aobut the people one story above ? enjoying the free water ?

16:31:42 jurov: yea "tomorrow we have a visitation at work i was not sleeping at night last few days and now this!!!"

16:32:01 mircea_popescu: visitation ?!

16:32:08 mircea_popescu: that's jesus showing up you know.

16:32:16 jurov: lolk

16:32:40 jurov: inspection

16:33:17 mircea_popescu: i liked visitaiton better :D makes the story lulzier

16:34:57 jurov: tap water is off. time to open beer!

16:41:21 danielpbarron: height=183146

16:48:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35177 @ 0.00038906 = 13.686 BTC [-]

17:00:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 166750 @ 0.00039001 = 65.0342 BTC [+] {4}

17:01:54 asciilifeform: 275384

17:06:53 mircea_popescu: gee, almost fully synced ?

17:07:07 mircea_popescu: has it even been a full week ?

17:07:28 mircea_popescu: http://mako.cc/copyrighteous/cultivated-disinterest-in-professional-sports#comment-597330 << check it out, mako guy actually published my comment.

17:07:30 assbot: Cultivated Disinterest in Professional Sports | copyrighteous ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6ffdW )

17:07:30 davout: asciilifeform: that's the pogo??

17:07:39 mircea_popescu: where's that head explosion gif

17:07:51 mircea_popescu: davout afaik it's a pc with memory restraints and valgrind

17:08:57 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ~3 days

17:09:10 asciilifeform: davout: nope. bastard node test on x86.

17:09:41 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: no restraints on that box, just valgrind

17:09:48 mircea_popescu: oh oh

17:09:55 mircea_popescu: so how much memory ?

17:10:08 asciilifeform: 8g

17:10:16 mircea_popescu: yeah well then not saying much.

17:10:20 mircea_popescu: you still got a pogo running ?

17:10:24 asciilifeform: not presently

17:10:32 asciilifeform: disassembled for attachment of jtag probes

17:10:41 asciilifeform: but didn't quite get around to it yet

17:10:57 asciilifeform: i promised folks a working buildroot for that thing

17:12:01 asciilifeform: also jurov's zram idea is actually a good one

17:12:07 asciilifeform: there's cpu to spare

17:12:17 davout: !s if you can't stop fucking with it

17:12:18 assbot: 1 results for 'if you can't stop fucking with it' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=if+you+can%27t+stop+fucking+with+it

17:12:30 davout: :D

17:12:41 asciilifeform: davout: funnily enough i've a second

17:12:50 asciilifeform: davout: but it's reserved for autodefloration test

17:13:00 asciilifeform: davout: haven't even taken it out of the crate yet

17:13:23 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> there's cpu to spare << funnily enough, what the power rangers wish to fix is... cpu speed.

17:13:27 mircea_popescu: with a change of curves.

17:13:34 asciilifeform: wai srsly?

17:13:40 davout: i tried getting a pogo on amazon, for some retarded reason the price in euros is like 60

17:13:41 asciilifeform: this was actually shat forth?

17:13:41 mircea_popescu: ask davout he was there :D

17:13:57 davout: and if i buy in usd i have like ~50 USD shipping

17:14:11 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu but you don't watch sports

17:14:13 mircea_popescu: davout would it make sense to make a large buy in us and ship to eu ?

17:14:35 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller i also don't watch porn. doesn't mean i can't discuss itcompetently.

17:14:44 asciilifeform: davout: at least you can get it, in theory; iirc in the land of the colocolo and ocelot they cannot be had except by human courier

17:15:01 davout: mircea_popescu: i'll look a bit harder if i can't find them for cheaper first

17:15:04 thestringpuller: Do you like golf? that seems like a sport you'd enjoy

17:15:04 mircea_popescu: kk

17:15:11 asciilifeform: over here i can order now and it'll show by 8'oclock today

17:15:31 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: do you ever leave the house?

17:15:31 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, get me like a dozen, bring em over at conference.

17:15:40 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: you remind me of sean connery in Finding Forrester.

17:16:36 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: certainly.

17:16:41 mircea_popescu: wh ty.

17:16:50 mircea_popescu: i dunno how bulky they are/what they weigh, but w/e's convenient.

17:16:56 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: do we wish them to remain in their original crates?

17:17:01 mircea_popescu: i don't care.

17:17:09 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: then - naked.

17:17:19 mircea_popescu: not that specific about number, either, just, bring as many as you can carry.

17:17:20 jurov: http://www.amazon.de/Cloud-Engines-Pogoplug-Biz-Adapter/dp/B004VSKJ62/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1423070142&sr=8-3&keywords=pogoplug

17:17:22 assbot: Cloud Engines Pogoplug Biz USB NAS Adapter: Amazon.de: Computer & Zubehör ... ( http://bit.ly/1AsJnkZ )

17:17:28 jurov: "only" 23+5 eur

17:17:43 jurov: and that if you know anyone in germany

17:17:49 asciilifeform: jurov, davout: incidentally, 'pogo' is not the only supplier of this kind of thing. 'seagate' has a device with, iirc, identical pcb

17:17:54 asciilifeform: and a few others

17:18:04 asciilifeform: i just picked the price winner.

17:18:10 asciilifeform: from my own perch

17:18:14 asciilifeform: might vary elsewhere

17:18:15 mircea_popescu: im actually having most courriers drag a bag of the shits on their way.

17:18:18 davout: asciilifeform: ah nice, if you have a list i'd be interdasted in looking into it

17:18:33 mircea_popescu: it'll get to where customs will be able to entirely identify my network by keepying track of bags of pogos ffs.

17:18:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 173085 @ 0.0003925 = 67.9359 BTC [+] {2}

17:18:43 punkman: who manufactures the pogo?

17:18:50 punkman: globalscale?

17:19:43 asciilifeform: punkman: i have not yet discovered the answer to this.

17:19:51 punkman: ah cloud engines maybe

17:20:38 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: do you ever leave the house << i do have a day job, as i think i mentioned. it doesn't have fixed hours as such, but i'm away from my perch fairly often.

17:20:42 davout: i'm starting to suspect you can't get them in yurp without some kind of subscription

17:20:55 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu soon to become the han solo of Argentina.

17:20:58 asciilifeform: brb teatime

17:21:05 thestringpuller: ^- this guy makes me happy

17:21:23 mircea_popescu: davout if all else fails you can have some of mine, also at conference o.O

17:21:29 davout: re pogo plug in europe -> http://i.imgur.com/7mtvBR3.png

17:21:30 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1AsK9OY )

17:21:34 mircea_popescu: this is starting to be so much like soviet russia in 1985 it boggles the mind.

17:21:52 mircea_popescu: 90 euros wtf ?!

17:22:01 davout: ikr

17:22:08 mircea_popescu: hm, ok, this is highly suspekt.

17:22:29 punkman: loss leader only in bezzleland

17:22:34 mircea_popescu: clearly.

17:22:40 fluffypony: I ordered two off eBay

17:22:44 punkman: there has to be some chinese knockoff

17:22:57 mircea_popescu: fluffypony how much were they ? did you get them ?

17:23:00 fluffypony: lemme check price

17:23:12 fluffypony: they're in country at customs, should be delivered

17:23:18 fluffypony: by Monday at the latest

17:23:28 fluffypony: it's through eBay's Global Shipping Program

17:23:29 davout: in two weeks(tm)

17:23:30 fluffypony: so via Fedex

17:23:38 fluffypony: and you pay for customs / duties up-front

17:23:45 fluffypony: http://www.ebay.com/itm/391010802864

17:23:48 assbot: New Pogoplug Series 4 Backup Device | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6iKRG )

17:24:11 fluffypony: so for two I paid

17:24:18 punkman: still $50+

17:24:35 fluffypony: ORDER TOTAL US $52.60

17:24:36 fluffypony: + US $20.74 shipping

17:24:48 fluffypony: + US $16.26 customs

17:25:08 mod6: << completely misunderstanding that. << ok gotcha.

17:25:23 fluffypony: $44.80 including delivery and customs (per Pogo)

17:25:41 mircea_popescu: aha

17:25:42 mod6: mircea_popescu: mod6 persuing your error log : it would seem to me that for some reason your peers keep pumping you with blocks height=168002 and over, whereas yotu never get height=168001. << see line 40 of this paste: http://pastebin.com/iweEQCpu

17:25:43 assbot: root@ip-W-X-Y-Z:/mnt/btc-dev/sandbox/bitcoin-bitcoin-a8def6b/src# date Wed Feb - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6j9Ue )

17:25:58 mod6: or internal log number: 1805961

17:26:04 mircea_popescu: o wow

17:26:05 mod6: 1805961 InvalidChainFound: invalid block=0000000000000a40136b height=168001 work=243841112905690411140

17:26:23 mircea_popescu: invalid block=0000000000000a40136b << can oyu dig this thing up and post it please ?

17:26:24 mod6: anyway, just thought i'd stop in and update you quick. thanks for looking!!

17:27:03 mod6: dig it up from ? the debug log?

17:27:16 mircea_popescu: ideally as a signed blob on the mailing list. "This is block 0000000000000a40136b, reported as invalid so and so"

17:27:17 mod6: i can't do much more from where i'm at right now, 'cept google perhaps.

17:27:20 thestringpuller: jurov: thestringpuller: lol ryanxcharles, bitcoin should be written in node.js ?? you aware of this? http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2u7ddq/the_real_reason_ryan_charles_was_fired_from/ << good stuff. buttcoin seems to have more real people than r/bitcoin

17:27:32 mod6: ah. ok yeah, i can do that tonight.

17:27:34 mircea_popescu: no no, dig it up from your memory pool i guess

17:27:36 mircea_popescu: no huge rush

17:27:42 mircea_popescu: but it'll have to be dissected.

17:28:01 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller that's because it has fewer.

17:29:12 mod6: mircea_popescu: ok. i'll check back in tonight, see what I can do.

17:29:16 mircea_popescu: cool.

17:30:56 punkman: http://archlinuxarm.org/platforms < various other plugs listed here

17:30:57 assbot: Platforms | Arch Linux ARM ... ( http://bit.ly/1AsLPI0 )

17:33:03 jurov: http://pogoplug.com/devices *Due to overwhelming demand, we are currently out of stock in the UK and Europe.

17:33:04 assbot: Pogoplug Devices: Back Up, Access and Share From Anywhere ... ( http://bit.ly/1AsMb1m )

17:33:40 mircea_popescu: heh.

17:35:22 punkman: does the pogoplug need any proprietary blobs?

17:35:35 mircea_popescu: nop

17:37:55 trinque: my btcd for deedbot has been belching about orphan blocks for a day, ever since it got to about two days ago in the blockchain

17:40:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104750 @ 0.00039253 = 41.1175 BTC [+]

17:40:22 mircea_popescu: horribru error report.

17:42:13 mthreat: <+mircea_popescu> ... << yeh but how are we to verify! << I actually got pics of me holding up the blockchain iPhone app transaction, in front of the Port Lockroy building with a sign visible!

17:42:42 mircea_popescu: o hey cool going!

17:42:55 thestringpuller: "Getting fired from reddit sucks, but the support I've received from the bitcoin community is incredible. Free market social safety net." << "Why work when you can get donations for being a 'victim'."

17:43:19 thestringpuller: my god

17:43:55 thestringpuller: d00d gets fired for being unemployable so derps will throw money at him so he can eat? this is definition of socialism no?!?!?

17:45:22 mircea_popescu: eh simmer down. what money.

17:46:12 thestringpuller: changetip / "attempts" at crowdfunding / "pledges" / and other various donations.

17:46:12 trinque: thestringpuller: what do you have against kim kardashian's ass?

17:48:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 134000 @ 0.00038018 = 50.9441 BTC [-] {2}

17:48:40 thestringpuller: trinque: i don't think I do have an issue with her badonkadonk. it's not my problem?

17:48:47 mircea_popescu: changetip ? srsly ?

17:49:03 trinque: thestringpuller: twas just a joke about the various forms of internet celebrity theater

17:49:33 thestringpuller: i have minor respect for kim cause she released sex tape and made career after that

17:49:52 thestringpuller: but i guess her dad made deal with devil when defending OJ so whole family can have money

17:50:22 nubbins`: thestringpuller, if her dad was anyone else, she would not have made a "career" out of a sex tape

17:50:31 thestringpuller: ^- that was my point

17:50:32 nubbins`: a career on redtube, maybe

17:50:46 nubbins`: so unless you're saying you respect her because her dad went to law school...

17:50:53 nubbins`: no entiendo

17:51:08 nubbins`: see also paris hilton

17:51:19 thestringpuller: well her career improved vs. say paris hilton

17:51:19 mircea_popescu: nubbins` orly? who was her dad ?

17:51:26 nubbins`: mircea_popescu oj simpson lawyer

17:51:32 mircea_popescu: o wow srsly ?

17:51:34 nubbins`: yes

17:51:35 thestringpuller: robert kardashian

17:51:36 mircea_popescu: hadno idea.

17:51:39 nubbins`: this is the only reason her face is everywhere

17:51:44 mircea_popescu: anyway, girl's got a great ass. that's an... asset.

17:51:47 nubbins`: oj's lawyer's daughter sucking cock on film

17:51:48 mircea_popescu: no it's not.

17:51:56 thestringpuller: you know everyone on cochran's team who defended oj is dead

17:52:10 mircea_popescu: she is objectively a hot woman, and she understands feminity well enough to behave rationally.

17:52:28 nubbins`: sure. the world is full of objectively hot women, many of them hotter than her

17:52:33 nubbins`: (objectively)

17:52:33 mircea_popescu: one could argue idiotic us internet feminism is to blame for reducing her competition, at most.

17:52:43 mircea_popescu: right. but they're stupid and fat.

17:54:26 nubbins`: so's the rest of her famous family

17:54:49 mircea_popescu: what do i care about her family.

17:55:26 nubbins`: all of a sudden it's about you?!

17:55:28 nubbins`: https://www.google.ca/search?q=kardashian+gossip&tbm=isch

17:55:29 assbot: kardashian gossip - Google Search ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6oivx )

17:55:42 thestringpuller: "armenians are the black version of white people"

17:56:29 nubbins`: http://i.imgur.com/c00cRKV.jpg

17:56:30 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6ow5G )

17:56:39 thestringpuller: her husband has higher net worth than her

17:56:47 nubbins`: y'know, this would probably still be international news if this woman wasn't the sister of the porn star oj simpson lawyer daughter

17:56:57 thestringpuller: and kanye is a shitty businessman

17:57:39 nubbins`: if there's one thing that would make me permanently switch supermarkets, it'd be a couple of checkout aisles free from gossip mags

17:57:47 nubbins`: even just one

17:57:48 thestringpuller: because Jay-Z associates with these people rather than being a true G is why Dr. Dre beat him to the billionaire club.

17:57:53 nubbins`: A++++++ would wait in line again

17:58:06 thestringpuller: nubbins`: Whole Foods doesn't have gossip mags

17:58:11 trinque: nubbins`: I don't see them at whole foods or zuppans

17:58:12 thestringpuller: but it's replaced with "hipster mags"

17:58:13 nubbins`: i thought dre made it because he was a killer producer

17:58:13 trinque: yeh

17:58:16 mircea_popescu: you know, since i don't watch tv or supermarket, i may not be as aggressed as you are by this shit :D

17:58:24 nubbins`: t*: we don't have "whole foods" here.

17:58:34 nubbins`: mircea_popescu it's slightly more assaulting than billboard ads

17:58:47 thestringpuller: marketing is rape

17:58:59 nubbins`: i haven't "watched tv" in maybe 7 years

17:59:11 nubbins`: 8 if you count english-language

17:59:12 trinque: yelling on the street corner != rape

17:59:17 mircea_popescu: anyway, i much prefer kim to say michelle obama.

17:59:28 mircea_popescu: not to mention out and out idiots a la hess or whatever, goodman.

17:59:38 thestringpuller: nubbins`: dre is a killer producer, but not nearly the same genius as say quincy jones. He made great business bets in comparison to Jay-Z.

17:59:38 mircea_popescu: more girls like kim plox.

17:59:42 nubbins`: MICHELLE OBAMA: PREGNANT BY ONE MAN, IN LOVE WITH ANOTHER

17:59:52 scoopbot: New post on fraudsters by Mircea Popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2015/mpex-smpoe-january-2015-statement/

18:00:04 nubbins`: thestringpuller he also stepped out of his comfort zone. guy produced a NIN album!

18:00:12 nubbins`: trinque +1

18:00:18 thestringpuller: nubbins`: yea the fragile.

18:00:27 nubbins`: marketing is an assault on the sensibilities of all reasonable people

18:00:28 mircea_popescu: <trinque> yelling on the street corner != rape <<< seems exactly what it come to mean these days.

18:00:37 thestringpuller: nubbins`: that as only one track tho, and that's cause Trent and Dre were friends throughout the late 90's.

18:01:26 nubbins`: too true

18:01:27 nubbins`: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Dre_production_discography

18:01:30 assbot: Dr. Dre production discography - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6pBKU )

18:01:44 nubbins`: anyway

18:01:51 nubbins`: not really my thing but w/e. guy knows how to make money

18:03:00 thestringpuller: ^- that's my point

18:03:07 thestringpuller: and Jay-Z associates with people who don't.

18:03:13 thestringpuller: which is why Dre beat him to Billionaire land

18:05:24 mircea_popescu: !up phillipsjk

18:05:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73450 @ 0.0003785 = 27.8008 BTC [-]

18:08:51 asciilifeform: anybody bother to look into the competitors of 'pogo' (seagate nas, etc.) ?

18:10:37 trinque: http://ma.ttias.be/whats-new-systemd-2015-edition/?h <<< LOL

18:10:38 assbot: What's New in systemd, 2015 Edition ... ( http://bit.ly/1DeyeUG )

18:10:55 nubbins`: i think seagate has a cloud thing but it's $$$

18:11:13 nubbins`: there's no "buy it w/o the drive" version

18:11:15 asciilifeform: nubbins`: they have a whole line

18:11:17 trinque: among other lols, they want to eat docker, manage your firewall, make the logger speak http...

18:11:23 asciilifeform: incl. one that looked quite like pogo, physically

18:11:30 asciilifeform: (small pedestal for single drive.)

18:11:35 punkman: http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-FreeAgent-Powered-Ports-100563416/dp/B002DH40ZY/

18:11:37 assbot: Amazon.com: Seagate FreeAgent Go Dock+ with 3 Powered USB Ports 100563416 (White): Electronics ... ( http://bit.ly/1DeyrHA )

18:11:38 punkman: also $13

18:11:45 asciilifeform: there we go

18:11:50 asciilifeform: that's the one

18:12:10 asciilifeform: or actually no.

18:12:11 nubbins`: is that not literally just a usb hub with a hdd attachment?

18:12:14 asciilifeform: that's an analogue cradle

18:12:14 nubbins`: http://www.amazon.ca/Seagate-Central-Personal-Storage-STCG2000100/dp/B00ARB5FPM/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1423073439&sr=1-2&keywords=seagate+cloud

18:12:17 assbot: Seagate Central 2TB Personal Cloud Storage NAS STCG2000100: Amazon.ca: Computers & Tablets ... ( http://bit.ly/1DeyBi2 )

18:12:26 nubbins`: ^ nb price for 2tb

18:13:33 asciilifeform: it was, iirc, the 'goflex'

18:13:45 mircea_popescu: trinque lmao. it's so funnay.

18:14:14 nubbins`: asciilifeform i have a goflex, it's just a hdd with a cradle

18:14:18 nubbins`: maybe the "dockstar"?

18:14:24 nubbins`: ;;google seagate dockstar

18:14:24 asciilifeform: hm

18:14:25 gribble: Amazon.com: Seagate FreeAgent DockStar Network Adapter ...: http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-FreeAgent-DockStar-Network-STDSA10G-RK/dp/B002MRRU6G; DockStar | Seagate: http://www.seagate.com/support/external-hard-drives/network-storage/dockstar/; Seagate DockStar | Arch Linux ARM: http://archlinuxarm.org/platforms/armv5/seagate-dockstar

18:14:30 nubbins`: first one

18:14:30 asciilifeform: http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/seagate/goflexnet

18:14:30 assbot: Seagate GoFlexNet [OpenWrt Wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dez6J5 )

18:14:32 asciilifeform: ^ that one

18:14:36 nubbins`: o

18:14:42 nubbins`: i have "goflex desk"

18:15:12 nubbins`: i also have a "goflex tv" which might fit the bill.

18:15:36 mircea_popescu: "minimal firewall support, which is service oriented. Ie: allow Apache access in the firewall instead of saying "allow port :80″ access."

18:15:38 asciilifeform: incidentally, above link has jtag mapping that ought to work for all the marvell boards

18:15:54 mircea_popescu: happens to be the longest idiocy on linux forums. noob user on ubuntu moved from windows "how do i get zone alarm for linux"

18:15:56 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lemme guess, string/path matching

18:16:01 mircea_popescu: answer, always "stupid idea, forget it.

18:16:03 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: like winblows phirewall

18:16:08 mircea_popescu: noob, usually "fu why so elitist"

18:16:36 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform apparently they fell out of the windows tree and hit every branch on the way down.

18:16:55 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: now try expanded mindfuck. think of what this picture will look like once apple implodes.

18:16:56 mircea_popescu: the notion that someone still takes this guy seriously is irreconcilable with the notion that people are born human.

18:17:10 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it will look excellent : us on top of the world.

18:17:21 mircea_popescu: to quote myself, "people we don't like fighting each other, an ode"

18:18:16 mircea_popescu: "networkd: because networking is such a basic function of the OS, he believes it should be in systemd"

18:18:20 mircea_popescu: hehehehe

18:18:25 asciilifeform: the part of the world where i live is plagued with, among other insects, a type of caterpillar that devours trees wholesale. every spring, gigantic hives (?) - nests with webbing - appear, and when they're full, you can almost see them pulsate, pulsate

18:18:35 mircea_popescu: "systemd wrote their own dhcp library"

18:18:39 asciilifeform: this, in effect, is what i'm seeing in apple

18:18:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44954 @ 0.0003785 = 17.0151 BTC [-]

18:18:45 mircea_popescu: "out of bits and pieces nsa had lying around for a decade or so"

18:19:02 asciilifeform: when it finally pops, all of those folks will come screaming into what's left of 'entry linux'

18:19:03 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i saw those in mass.

18:19:12 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they're in the whole east usa

18:19:27 mircea_popescu: they don't actually eat the wood tho. but suck the tree dry anyway

18:19:30 asciilifeform: leaves

18:19:33 asciilifeform: pick'em clean

18:20:12 mircea_popescu: "combining nspawn (containers) and networkd (dhcp) allows for easier network management of containers. Networkd can also run inside the container. Outside the container networkd can pick a free DHCP IP for that container. Allows v4 to v6 network masquarading automatically. Does not involve dnsmasq, everything is routed via IP on the kernel (no bridging)."

18:20:15 trinque: looks like they want to kill etc too

18:20:24 mircea_popescu: this is such a brilliant approach to "user has no control of their computer"

18:20:33 asciilifeform: kill etc << apple killed it long ago

18:20:45 asciilifeform: the systemd folks are emulating apple, not (intentionally) microshit

18:20:54 nubbins`: seems goflex tv is based on realtek 1073

18:21:26 trinque: mircea_popescu: this is *absolutely* about some kind of "managed linux" thing on your phone/tablet/whatever

18:21:43 mircea_popescu: "cast nameserver resolution, as used by Windows"

18:22:04 trinque: big wink at the camera there

18:22:11 mircea_popescu: journald-remoting: the binary logger now has remote support (aka: remoting) via HTTP (instead of the syslog protocol, which isn't standardized (ie: no timezones, single-line logs only, ...)

18:22:18 nubbins`: ethernet, usb built in as well

18:22:19 mircea_popescu: ahahaha, syslog is "not standardized"

18:22:25 mircea_popescu: systemd crap, is.

18:22:36 mircea_popescu: ok enough of this idiocy for one day.

18:22:45 asciilifeform: embrace/extend/extinguish, mega-snore.

18:22:58 nubbins`: oh, that's a MIPS processor

18:23:05 asciilifeform: nubbins`: i found the box in question. seagate's 'freeagent dockstar'

18:23:20 nubbins`: [14:44:17] <+nubbins`> maybe the "dockstar"?

18:23:23 nubbins`: +1

18:23:27 asciilifeform: aha

18:23:29 asciilifeform: that was it

18:23:39 nubbins`: what sorta chip's that running on?

18:23:51 nubbins`: marvell kirkwood

18:23:54 nubbins`: 1200mhz!

18:24:04 chetty: <mircea_popescu> this is such a brilliant approach to "user has no control of their computer"//won't be long till the computer controls the user

18:24:13 asciilifeform: circa '09, however

18:24:16 asciilifeform: can't determine if still made

18:24:22 nubbins`: asciilifeform is linux on MIPS a thing i should bother looking into re: goflex tv?

18:24:40 asciilifeform: nubbins`: i'm speaking through a mips/bsd box right now

18:24:51 nubbins`: ah

18:25:10 nubbins`: http://www.svplannet.com/userfiles/lg_images/Seagate_Freeagent_Goflex_Tv_Hd_Media_Player.jpg

18:25:11 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6uxQ7 )

18:25:17 nubbins`: ^ that's what i've got kicking around

18:25:38 nubbins`: will fit a SATA drive inside, altho mine currently only uses thumbdrives for storage

18:26:14 felipelalli: Let me ask one thing guys about MPEx website: why not the total shared issued is displayed at http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.QNTR ? Wouldn't it be a useful information? I could find this info on http://fraudsters.com/2014/qntra-sqntr-october-2014-statement/ but I think it is handy to display on the stock page. Thanks.

18:26:18 assbot: Qntra (S.QNTR) October 2014 Statement pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6uKmk )

18:26:18 asciilifeform: nubbins`: video thing?

18:26:18 mircea_popescu: chetty given some users, this would be a net gain.

18:26:22 nubbins`: yeah, little media player.

18:26:42 nubbins`: netflix, youtube, etc players built in as well

18:26:48 ben_vulpes: buenos

18:26:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89971 @ 0.00039278 = 35.3388 BTC [+] {2}

18:27:09 nubbins`: unfortunately the netflix app is hard-coded to USA service (!!!!)

18:27:10 mircea_popescu: felipelalli because it keeps changing.

18:27:15 nubbins`: so useless to me from the get-go for that

18:27:28 felipelalli: mircea_popescu: thank you.

18:27:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48929 @ 0.00039342 = 19.2496 BTC [+]

18:28:44 mircea_popescu: http://ma.ttias.be/whats-new-systemd-2015-edition/#comment-10997 just in case.

18:28:45 assbot: What's New in systemd, 2015 Edition ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6vh7L )

18:28:50 felipelalli: mircea_popescu: are there a place where I can find the current total shares or just reading the statements?

18:29:00 mircea_popescu: well yes,. the statements

18:29:06 mircea_popescu: this is how all stock exchanges work, incidentally.

18:29:25 mircea_popescu: the exchange engine itself is not aware of the conventions regarding the corporation. those are registered separately.

18:29:50 mircea_popescu: more importantly : you should not trade a stock you've not read the reports for.

18:32:40 ben_vulpes: funny news

18:32:52 ben_vulpes: our municipal client now requires that we carry "cyber liability insurance"

18:33:00 mircea_popescu: lol wassat ?

18:33:03 asciilifeform: wai wat

18:33:06 ben_vulpes: FUCK IF I KNOW

18:33:07 felipelalli: mircea_popescu: thanks, makes sense.

18:33:38 mircea_popescu: clearly you need it then.

18:33:54 mircea_popescu: "#1 Online Agent for Cyber Liability Insurance 175,000 businesses served since 1997" - "insureon"

18:33:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67371 @ 0.00039353 = 26.5125 BTC [+] {2}

18:34:38 ben_vulpes: more bezzletronic scams.

18:34:46 ben_vulpes: insurance! scam!

18:34:49 mircea_popescu: i just put a "get online quote" for "stock brokers"

18:35:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 273618 @ 0.00039426 = 107.8766 BTC [+] {4}

18:35:08 mircea_popescu: because yeah, totally. that's how it works. you pick "stock brokers" from a list containing stuff like "laundry services" and get a quote

18:35:14 asciilifeform: by the pound?

18:35:17 ben_vulpes: how does one pick a stock broker?

18:35:19 mircea_popescu: "What is the zip code of your primary business location?"

18:35:21 *: ben_vulpes is a pauper, wouldn't know

18:35:29 mircea_popescu: check it out, the zip where my stock brokering is primarily stock brokered.

18:35:40 *: ben_vulpes barely qualifies for the explicitly front-run brokers

18:35:53 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes kinda like you pick a girlfriend : have your friends recommend someone.

18:36:43 mircea_popescu: anyway, maybe tell them it's THEIR job to get insurance ? as you're not actually keeping their dbs ? or are you ?

18:36:55 ben_vulpes: girls just show up in my life - stockbrokers, not so much.

18:37:03 ben_vulpes: it's on some paas-y thing

18:37:07 mircea_popescu: seems like a sad attempt to pass costs along to contractors.

18:37:25 ben_vulpes: fuck that i ain't holding no bags

18:37:29 mircea_popescu: anyway, tell them it'll be ~4500 more per month, and as if they're sure.

18:37:30 ben_vulpes: actually its fine

18:37:46 ben_vulpes: dev shops should carry more responsibility for produced work anyways.

18:38:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70502 @ 0.0003785 = 26.685 BTC [-]

18:38:07 mircea_popescu: the db leak liability attaches to operator.

18:38:36 mircea_popescu: unless they're paying you for saas, in which case, i would hope you're executing them six to eight digits anually.

18:38:52 ben_vulpes: mnah

18:39:01 ben_vulpes: commodity saas vendor, we just write and derploy der coden

18:39:02 mircea_popescu: welllll in THAT case...

18:39:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115543 @ 0.00037498 = 43.3263 BTC [-] {2}

18:41:24 asciilifeform: http://www.dealsmachine.com/best_164529.html?currency=USD&gclid=CjwKEAiAo8emBRCX_OqU4qek6y8SJACzgf8fItxlMkPEh8mQ51Onl4aKr3o31T6wsIcm8FwdwzKuDxoCR2bw_wcB

18:41:27 assbot: DealsMachine: V8 Single Core 512M DDR3 Linux Miracast Wireless iPush Airplay DLNA TV Stick Built-in HDMI/Wifi ... ( http://bit.ly/1DeF6kS )

18:41:29 felipelalli: let me ask you guys another thing: I'm using coinbr.com to buy S.MPOE shares. I received this receipt: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=L1Bv8GFg what proves I have created the order. But after the order is filled, where is the proof that 270 S.MPOE are mine? What happen if CoinBr.com just go bankruptcy (or disappear)? How could I recover this?

18:41:30 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1DeF7p8 )

18:41:30 asciilifeform: ^ wireless, usb only for storage

18:41:42 asciilifeform: 512mb.

18:41:49 *: xanthyos

18:42:20 asciilifeform: there also appear to be at least half a dozen compatible products, of similar cost.

18:42:33 mike_c: ;;gettrust felipelalli jurov

18:42:34 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user felipelalli to user jurov: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=felipelalli&dest=jurov | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=jurov | Rated since: Fri Jan 20 18:16:32 2012

18:42:40 mike_c: oops. old habits

18:42:40 *: asciilifeform is not especially fond of wireless net for this application

18:42:46 mike_c: !gettrust felipelalli jurov

18:42:47 assbot: Trust relationship from user felipelalli to user jurov: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 5 via 4 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/felipelalli/jurov | http://w.b-a.link/user/jurov

18:43:22 mike_c: felipelalli: ^ that is your protection against coinbr disappearing.

18:44:07 jurov: felipelalli: also, what happen if MPEx just go bankruptcy (or disappear)? Same thing.

18:46:43 felipelalli: actually they (CoinBr.com) hold the shares for me in CoinBr MPEx account, isn't it? Just to know if I am missing something.

18:46:52 jurov: yes

18:47:08 felipelalli: perfect! thank you.

18:47:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93700 @ 0.00039594 = 37.0996 BTC [+] {2}

18:52:08 felipelalli: jurov: just now I noticed "they" are actually "you". :) Thanks.

18:52:32 felipelalli: !rate jurov 1 "coinbr.com owner, great job, I trust him."

18:52:32 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/8516d6f71a1c731d

18:54:00 jurov: :)

18:54:27 pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2015/02/04/you-cant-have-door-to-door-shakedowns-in-defeudalised-france/

18:54:28 assbot: You can’t have door-to-door shakedowns in defeudalised France. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6Ats9 )

18:54:54 jurov: kakobrekla what about signing http://files.bitcoin-assets.com/wot/wot_ratings.sql.gz ?

18:54:55 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6Ayw9 )

18:55:12 asciilifeform: https://www.newit.co.uk/shop << 'arm' system vendor in eu

18:55:13 assbot: New IT ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6AA75 )

18:55:51 asciilifeform: unfortunately nothing in the price ballpark of 'pogo'

18:58:16 asciilifeform: unrelated mega-lol: http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/02/psa-your-crypto-apps-are-useless-unless-you-check-them-for-backdoors

18:58:17 assbot: PSA: Your crypto apps are useless unless you check them for backdoors | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6BaBT )

18:58:30 asciilifeform: ^ from the run-moar-winblows department

18:59:33 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/02/mips-creator-ci20-released-interesting-though-not-very-useful << for your collection. i own the pre-release version of this thing. it works. but full of oddities. there is a (supposedly) complete data sheet for the chip.

18:59:34 assbot: MIPS Creator CI20 released: Interesting, though not very useful | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6Bsc2 )

18:59:36 jurov: https://www.olimex.com/Products/OLinuXino/A10/A10-OLinuXino-LIME/open-source-hardware guess we'll end up with this

18:59:38 assbot: A10-OLinuXino-LIME - Open Source Hardware Board ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6BsZj )

19:00:25 ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: if you're just going to annotage logs at least have the commentary arrayed neatly around the source material like the rest of the talmudic publications

19:00:33 asciilifeform: jurov: not bad. about 1.5 pogos.

19:00:39 ben_vulpes: footnotes are so...web 3.0

19:00:42 asciilifeform: jurov: looks like even has sata.

19:00:56 asciilifeform: would need a chassis and power brick?

19:01:08 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: lol what talmud are you reading?

19:01:35 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: iirc a standard talmud is arranged this way ?

19:02:20 pete_dushenski: bla.. fine. ima brb

19:02:23 pete_dushenski: :)

19:02:24 jurov: Please prove you are not an bot. How many cores RK3188 have?: << ahahaha olimex forums rule

19:02:50 asciilifeform: jurov: i like the ru 'integrals' captchae more.

19:03:04 asciilifeform: 'prove you're not a bot or a c-student'

19:04:20 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: http://people.ucalgary.ca/~elsegal/TalmudPage.html

19:04:21 assbot: 404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6CkgJ )

19:04:23 asciilifeform: ^ illustrated

19:04:32 nubbins`: hm, re: goflex tv http://www.linux-mips.org/archives/linux-mips/2010-11/msg00155.html

19:04:33 assbot: [PATCH] Add support for Realtek Media Player SoCs ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6Cl4n )

19:04:46 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: heh whaddya know

19:04:51 nubbins`: cracked open a firmware update image, might be something to this

19:04:52 pete_dushenski: that's pretty cool lookin'

19:07:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 142197 @ 0.00039587 = 56.2915 BTC [-]

19:12:17 phillipsjk: mircea_popescu, Just because you don't understand the Maslow pyramid, does not imply it is completely invalid. Your alternative pyramid lacks co-operation...which you apparently consider rotten socialist propaganda. Re: http://fraudsters.com/2014/that-aint-the-maslow-pyramid-yo/

19:12:17 assbot: That ain't the Maslow pyramid, yo! pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1z0o6x1 )

19:12:21 jurov: satoshidice.com down. interesting

19:12:48 asciilifeform: maslow's thing had 'cooperation'? wat?

19:13:18 pete_dushenski: alright ben_vulpes: http://www.contravex.com/2015/02/04/you-cant-have-door-to-door-shakedowns-in-defeudalised-france/

19:13:20 assbot: You can’t have door-to-door shakedowns in defeudalised France. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1zgegas )

19:13:23 pete_dushenski: c'est mieu ?

19:14:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 50 @ 0.09522599 = 4.7613 BTC [-] {7}

19:14:53 phillipsjk: asciilifeform, 4 of the 5 categories use the term "domination"

19:15:24 pete_dushenski: i'll admit, it was a bit odd having all my thoughts in the footnotes... i'm just not sure that this is cleaner to read.

19:18:07 phillipsjk: I finally have DDOS samples up. Apparently the attack mode switched at some point. I was not able to determine exactly when because my machine lacks the RAM to load the entire packet capture in wirkeshark.

19:20:33 phillipsjk: Here is a 1.5MB sample of the udp fragment flood I was talking about: http://phillipsjk.ca/images/Jan_28_2015_DDOS_30Mbit_sample.pcap

19:20:36 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zgfCC4 )

19:21:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 33 @ 0.09100303 = 3.0031 BTC [-] {6}

19:21:50 phillipsjk: It mentions uzuuzuu.ru and simply says LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL over and over.

19:22:49 teward: phillipsjk: I feel sorry for you o.o

19:23:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103000 @ 0.00038349 = 39.4995 BTC [-] {2}

19:24:27 phillipsjk: here is the first minute or so of UPnP crap: (64MIB) http://phillipsjk.ca/images/Jan_28_2015_DDOS_10Mbit.pcap

19:24:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1500 @ 0.00095 = 1.425 BTC [-]

19:24:54 asciilifeform: phun phact:

19:25:11 asciilifeform: there is at least one exploitable overflow in 'wireshark'.

19:25:16 asciilifeform: at least, was, a year or so ago.

19:25:21 teward: asciilifeform: depends on the rev you're on

19:25:33 teward: AFAIK they're all patched, but I haven't watched wireshark upstream like a hawk

19:25:43 asciilifeform: there is no such thing, approximately, as a kitchen with precisely one cockroach.

19:25:47 phillipsjk: The UDP flood sample was after I let the previous attack drop to dial-up rates, then briefly reconnected.

19:26:19 teward: phillipsjk: just TARPIT everything

19:26:19 teward: :P

19:26:45 phillipsjk: asciilifeform, I was running it from a LiveCD. But yes, those captures may be potentially harmful.

19:27:01 asciilifeform: not even about these in particular.

19:27:35 phillipsjk: I my write-up on the Shaw forums, I included a caution about that.

19:27:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41800 @ 0.00039587 = 16.5474 BTC [+]

19:27:53 kakobrekla: jurov http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=19-01-2015#983823

19:27:53 assbot: Logged on 19-01-2015 22:42:24; kakobrekla: !shasum wot

19:27:54 teward: asciilifeform: is one of the 2015 notices here the one you're talking about? https://www.wireshark.org/security/

19:27:56 assbot: Wireshark · Security Advisories ... ( http://bit.ly/1zgh5rX )

19:28:19 teward: because i'm on 1.12.1 - if it's ~1yr old, I'm patched

19:28:54 jurov: kakobrekla: so i'm to connect to irc from my wot sync script, srsly?

19:29:16 kakobrekla: im not signing it.

19:29:59 phillipsjk: I was amazed when people were finding devastating holes in image processing libraries about 10 years ago. Every OS was affected.

19:29:59 jurov: why? and i did not say it must be your signature

19:30:32 kakobrekla: if not mine, imagine one up.

19:31:23 teward: ho-lee shit, Wireshark is huge o.o

19:31:55 kakobrekla: idk, i could make it announce new shasums in chan and you parse logs then

19:31:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 143100 @ 0.00037854 = 54.1691 BTC [-]

19:32:43 phillipsjk: teward, I found my first DDOS kind of exciting. The cloak works so far. Apparently people will DDOS live-streaming gamers for lulz as well.

19:35:49 phillipsjk: I slightly related news, apparently I can put whatever files I want on my web-host. Was working under the assumption I had at least 100MB of space. Apparently it is 25GB. (I essentially chose my own price-point since anything more than 25MB may as well be infinite for my e-mail and web-site.)

19:35:54 teward: phillipsjk: well that's not uncommon - and if anyone tried to DDoS me, they'd hit my VPS not me, and that's DDoS-filtered

19:39:23 jurov: kakobrekla that wouldn't help

19:39:32 mircea_popescu: phillipsjk how do you figure it lacks cooperation ?

19:39:56 mircea_popescu: submission is cooperation, just, functional. the sort of cooperation you have in mind is simply not found in nature is all.

19:41:08 jurov: kakobrekla, but please confirm you're aware that by choosing mysqldump format, it can't be parsed but must be piped into mysql which is practically the same as piping into /bin/sh

19:42:23 kakobrekla: i can give you a different format, seems like you are the first the use the thing.

19:42:27 phillipsjk: asciilifeform, mis-read your maslow comment. "Belonging and love needs" sounds like cooperation is needed.

19:42:44 pete_dushenski: italian fiu: "The FIU states that businesses dealing in virtual currencies, including holding them and exchanging them for fiat currencies, are not required to comply with any AML/KYC regulations."

19:42:44 kakobrekla: s/the use/to use

19:43:03 pete_dushenski: cazalla: BingoBoingo https://bitcoinmagazine.com/19244/central-bank-italy-declares-virtual-currency-exchanges-not-subject-aml-requirements/ if you're interested

19:43:05 assbot: Central Bank of Italy Declares Virtual Currency Exchanges Are Not Subject to AML Requirements – Bitcoin Magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/1zgk6II )

19:43:13 mircea_popescu: felipelalli: let me ask you guys another thing <<< when using a broker, you necessarily undertake that risk. the way to not undertake the risk is to have your own account.

19:43:21 jurov: kakobrekla anything that can be parsed, not ran. csv, json,...etc

19:43:30 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski you know you could write it up yourself.

19:43:39 mircea_popescu: i got one in queue too.

19:43:48 mircea_popescu: jurov i thought you could get json of anything anyway ?

19:44:22 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: this is true but there's some other writing i'm attending to

19:44:37 jurov: i cannot get json of /assbot/keyid/

19:44:51 jurov: so id ecided to just pull whole db anyway

19:44:57 pete_dushenski: if the qntra boys don't pick it up within an hour or so, i'll scoop it

19:45:08 mircea_popescu: that's because keid is nonsense? you also can't get json of assbot/english cuisine

19:45:09 jurov: but i now see it's actually a script downloaded by http

19:45:35 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: ^ from the run-moar-winblows department << how the hell does one check for backdoors. submerge in water an' blow ?

19:45:57 trinque: ^lol

19:46:05 jurov: mircea_popescu: one cannot get full fingerprint out of gpg-signed stuff one get by email. t was already discussed

19:46:30 mircea_popescu: jurov but this flaw of the gpg protocol can't really be fixed at the assbot elvel.

19:46:34 mircea_popescu: one is stuck with it.

19:46:54 jurov: yes. i agree. so i am stuck with

19:47:00 jurov: 1) downloading db

19:47:08 jurov: 2) doing like query

19:47:16 jurov: 3) getting key by fingerprint

19:47:24 jurov: 4) rechecking the dam sig

19:47:24 mircea_popescu: technically you could just grep the db

19:47:41 jurov: the db cointains users without l2

19:47:42 mircea_popescu: i'd be very interested in hearing about ambiguous matches.

19:47:48 mircea_popescu: yes.

19:47:48 phillipsjk: I have been questioning the feature where you can change key expiry, but not do operations with expired keys. (Since i learned about it)

19:48:01 jurov: 3) and 4) take care about ambiguous matches

19:48:05 mircea_popescu: not a great fan of any changes on keys, myself.

19:48:11 mircea_popescu: more gpg cruft that'll have to go in bapgp

19:48:38 jurov: but i am not asking any change about wot mechanism

19:48:39 mircea_popescu: jurov jst saying, you don't have to do any actual query on the db. just grep it.

19:50:07 jurov: replace 2) by grepping is doable

19:50:31 jurov: but in the future i potentially want the turdatron to display wot nicks anyway

19:50:41 mircea_popescu: anyway, presenting it as json is not a bad idea

19:50:48 mircea_popescu: or csv for that matter.

19:51:04 mircea_popescu: but i've not yet got through the logs far enough to figure wtf the contention is so gimme a minute

19:51:21 ben_vulpes: phillipsjk: don't play with expired keys

19:52:03 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: maslow's thing had 'cooperation'? wat? << it keeps getting revised, it's a bona fide "golf club patter" that thing. always in step with the emotional needs of a new generation.

19:52:07 phillipsjk: ben_vulpes, if you miss issuing a new key, you may still want to sign with an expired key to prove you know the secret.

19:52:28 mircea_popescu: not clear anyone will accept that "proof".

19:53:18 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski: c'est mieu ? << mieux. the x, like the h, and the e, and everything else in French including the French themselves, is silent.

19:53:21 phillipsjk: The point of a new key is that I am *assuming* the NSA may be ably to crack 1024bit dsa, but I am not sure. I doubt anybody else can do it.

19:53:48 *: phillipsjk now has 2048 bit RSA

19:53:52 mircea_popescu: was dsa the one we were not using because we suspect it comes with a nsa hole from the get go or am i confusing my sas ?

19:54:05 asciilifeform: dsa

19:54:07 mircea_popescu: phillipsjk are you using proper digests ?

19:54:25 mircea_popescu: iirc gpg will happily do md5 even today.

19:54:29 asciilifeform: was explicitly proclaimed by clinton-era nsa as 'civilian' castrato crypto

19:54:33 ben_vulpes: phillipsjk: 4096 or bust baby

19:54:54 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: damn my written illiteracy!

19:55:11 phillipsjk: DSA is assumed to be weak because 768bit RSA primes have been publicly factored.

19:55:21 ben_vulpes: phillipsjk: try this .gnupg/gpg.conf http://dpaste.com/0BR41JG.txt

19:55:22 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zgmHmd )

19:55:24 mircea_popescu: unrelated thread, that.

19:55:35 jurov: apparently mysqldump has absolutely no support for csv/json/anything? lol, even sqlite has it

19:55:45 ben_vulpes: why aren't you people using postgres

19:56:08 jurov: it can only change delimiter not escape data

19:57:00 asciilifeform: backdoors << the linked piece was about somebody who woke up to the idea of checking signatures on downloaded crypto app binaries (for winblows naturally) but couldn't quite wrap brain around pgp

19:57:56 asciilifeform: why he assumed that 'backdoor' must be necessarily inserted at isp, rather than by author of the turdware - ask him, not me

19:58:02 mircea_popescu: phillipsjk what's "Shaw forums" ?

19:58:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54300 @ 0.0003722 = 20.2105 BTC [-] {2}

19:58:29 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well at least he's perambulating in the generally right direction...

19:59:13 mircea_popescu: !shasum derp

19:59:13 assbot: Need at least one argument, example: 'wot'.

19:59:17 mircea_popescu: !shasum wot

19:59:17 assbot: sha256sum wot_users.sql.gz : f4de64eaf67a36a5f9f9af96ff4e6cf302c816b1093d252277a34d06e2c06add

19:59:17 assbot: sha256sum wot_ratings.sql.gz : 2675cf21e2655398640525b1a2841a9a980b5d05e26cc4844540534971a5b7a9

20:00:14 mircea_popescu: jurov one problem is... if this were on a webpage what exact use would it be ?

20:00:15 asciilifeform: winblows user walking to pgp is somewhat like a prisoner walking in the direction of the yard gate. he is still in his cell.

20:01:14 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, not so. the better comparison is you saying " winblows user walking to pgp is somewhat like a virgin playing pensively with a fat cucumber. she isstill a virgin."

20:01:18 mircea_popescu: yes, she is. not for long.

20:01:55 asciilifeform: might depend on the winblows user, actually

20:02:05 jurov: mircea_popescu: verifying is another problem. i can do that by hand

20:02:16 asciilifeform: there are quite a few, i think, who are grossly underequipped - intellectually - to actually operate a computer

20:02:40 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform their possession is a blessing for whoever's not doing it : costs more than it produces.

20:02:40 jurov: i'm currently concerned about someone who hacked assbot server running stuff (with potentially correct sums) on my server

20:02:57 asciilifeform: the remainder is the more interesting question

20:03:42 mircea_popescu: jurov i still don't see why you'd process the dump as a myslq

20:04:47 jurov: 1. i don't have slaves to write the parser for me

20:04:49 phillipsjk: mircea_popescu, the forums hosted by my ISP. https://community.shaw.ca/thread/18478

20:04:52 assbot: What should we do, if anything, while experienc... | Shaw Support Community ... ( http://bit.ly/1zB6BSW )

20:04:59 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: im not signing it. << could you make a csv ? or a json ?

20:05:04 mircea_popescu: phillipsjk oh i c.

20:05:05 jurov: 2. unnecessary depndence on bitcoin-assets web server

20:05:21 mircea_popescu: jurov what'd be your ideal model ?

20:05:39 jurov: i described these 4 steps above

20:06:38 jurov: step 5 would be to check if sender is in l2

20:06:40 mircea_popescu: that'd be your ideal model ?

20:06:42 jurov: against local db

20:08:14 jurov: ideal? just having api that i can pull keys of l2 members directly from and is never down?

20:09:37 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla can there be a page with a list of l2 fingerprints ?

20:11:17 asciilifeform: 275919...

20:11:24 mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats

20:11:28 gribble: Current Blocks: 341966 | Current Difficulty: 4.127287389469702E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 342719 | Next Difficulty In: 753 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 21 hours, 21 minutes, and 2 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 44296281000.8 | Estimated Percent Change: 7.32541

20:14:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 202480 @ 0.00038624 = 78.2059 BTC [+]

20:14:43 jurov: yes, list of l2 fingerprints would help much

20:15:24 mircea_popescu: phillipsjk you know you might be the first guy of your kind i ever met. so, you're on some isp's forum because... it's your isp ? and i suppose on the mazda forum if/when driving a mazda and so on ?

20:15:52 mircea_popescu: i always assumed those things are just pure astroturf grown out of a misguided attempt to "be online' of various corps.

20:16:10 phillipsjk: I was asking support questions. I normally avoid that forum.

20:16:14 mircea_popescu: ah

20:16:31 mircea_popescu: nm me then. i have a bit of a writer's mind :D

20:17:29 mircea_popescu: !gettrust assbot phillipsjk

20:17:29 assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user phillipsjk: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/phillipsjk | http://w.b-a.link/user/phillipsjk

20:17:48 phillipsjk: I do play in the Bitcoin forum...Though it was like 2-3years before I actually bought any.

20:20:58 mircea_popescu: "Their most absurd suggestion turned out to be surprisingly close to the truth: that it must have been some website we visited."

20:21:00 mircea_popescu: funny how that works.

20:21:21 phillipsjk: Theymos (the Bitcointalk admin) proposed a compromise for the block-size issue: start with 2MB blocks. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=941331.msg10352457#msg10352457

20:21:21 assbot: Bitcoin 20MB Fork ... ( http://bit.ly/1zB8y1R )

20:22:02 asciilifeform: choosing where to go for dinner with a coprophagiac; compromise - eat only a little shit.

20:22:27 asciilifeform: just as side dish.

20:22:29 asciilifeform: a garnish

20:22:33 asciilifeform: if slightly unsavoury

20:22:36 *: phillipsjk checks if that is actually a word

20:23:12 mircea_popescu: the overarching point there is that vessenes' scam and the people hanging in -dev do not have the authority to either implement or discuss bitcoin forks.

20:23:13 mircea_popescu: at all.

20:23:16 phillipsjk: ..it is.

20:23:22 mircea_popescu: not for any reason, not under any conditions. eod.

20:23:50 asciilifeform: phillipsjk: 'bitcoin' probably does not appear in your dictionary. is a word ?

20:24:21 mircea_popescu: coprophagiac - someone who eats shit.

20:24:26 mircea_popescu: tis english.

20:24:54 asciilifeform: the king's english, aha

20:24:56 phillipsjk: asciilifeform, yes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitcoin

20:25:00 assbot: Bitcoin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1zB8S0r )

20:25:06 phillipsjk: (not technically a dictionary)

20:25:44 trinque: it exists because wikipedia... guffaw

20:26:20 phillipsjk: I used a search engine, not wikipedia directly. I was checking form more than like 3 uses.

20:26:30 mircea_popescu: phillipsjk for the record, these attacks aren't exactly bandwidth related in any sense, they're packet based.

20:26:50 thestringpuller: Ephebophilia.

20:27:01 phillipsjk: The UDP flood was almost full packets.

20:27:01 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: ^ you know that one?

20:27:12 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller notice that there doesn't exist an equivalent "love for teenaged females".

20:28:01 thestringpuller: ;)

20:28:26 phillipsjk: er UDP *fragment* flood. (The UPNP shit was UDP too)

20:31:07 mircea_popescu: aha

20:33:24 ben_vulpes: x and my wm collectively shit themselves when i switch to a monitor theyve never seen before.

20:36:21 the_scourge: ben_vulpes: just do xrandr by hand. unless you're one of those people who has their monitors in the same orientation every day

20:37:15 the_scourge: what wm do you use?

20:37:26 ben_vulpes: stumpwm

20:37:35 ben_vulpes: i just want to use it, i don't want to rewrite it

20:37:43 ben_vulpes: i guess this is the curse of a shop with > 8 monitors

20:38:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54842 @ 0.00037115 = 20.3546 BTC [-]

20:38:08 the_scourge: "StumpWM is a tiling window manager that was created when developer Shawn Betts found ratpoison growing increasingly large and "lispy"."

20:38:17 *: the_scourge goes to find out how something can become too lispy

20:38:47 ben_vulpes: when your c devs start implementing common lisp out of ignorance, it's probably time to just use common lisp.

20:40:16 mircea_popescu: if one could just use common lisp (no devs involved) there'd be no computing language forums.

20:40:19 the_scourge: ben_vulpes: it should respect what xrandr tells it to do, regardless. i've used tiling window managers with a retina laptop in 9 different shops in the last 18 months, sometimes changing desks throughout the week. just turn everything off and use xrandr, i'm sure your wm will respect it

20:40:24 *: the_scourge is interested!

20:40:28 phillipsjk: EMACS user detected.

20:41:03 mircea_popescu: !up cjc

20:41:24 the_scourge: woah... is this wm actually written in common lisp? why have i never heard of this before

20:41:43 asciilifeform: it is extremely well-known among folks with even a mild interest in the subject...

20:42:16 cjc: Thanks mircea_popescu. I've been enjoying watching the somewhat spirited astroturfing over at bitcointalk.org for the last couple of days in this thread with regard to the Fork. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=941331

20:42:17 assbot: Bitcoin 20MB Fork ... ( http://bit.ly/1Df4qHt )

20:42:18 mircea_popescu: not like cl has that many usable apps out there :D

20:42:26 the_scourge: asciilifeform: that's a little low, but i'll freely admit i don't hang around with the right people

20:42:38 mircea_popescu: cjc vox populi vox dei yo!

20:42:56 mircea_popescu: the_scourge why not ?

20:43:00 cjc: Also, I enjoyed the btc-dev mailing list post decision to keep the CPU miner for Alpha Centauri =)

20:43:16 the_scourge: mircea_popescu: opportunity personality?

20:43:22 the_scourge: *and personality

20:43:27 trinque: ah stumpwm... "At least I can get what I want with ample tape."

20:43:35 mircea_popescu: kinda how it usually goes huh

20:43:55 the_scourge: i think the lack of opportunity has bent my personality :(

20:45:08 the_scourge: i'm just happy when i get a client where the head engineer is capable of having slightly technical discussions... staves off the cabin fever (which is possible, even in london)

20:45:39 the_scourge: phillipsjk: thanks for looking into the ddos stuff btw

20:45:44 trinque: the_scourge: gotta just ignore useless people and not miss the opportunity to hang among the worthwhile when it comes along

20:45:48 the_scourge: hi from a fellow canuck, btw

20:46:08 trinque: pretty easy to bitch about how everyone's terrible in the US too if one allows himself

20:46:10 the_scourge: trinque++

20:46:42 phillipsjk: Your welcome. Figured I was being attacked anyway, may as well get data.

20:49:39 the_scourge: trinque: i take responsibility for the situation. i've had certain goals and i've been working on them for so long i haven't stopped to smell the roses or look up the local 2600 chapter. if that even exists anymore

20:50:01 cjc: There was a pretty good deal on lifetime 2600 subscriptions last year.

20:50:10 cjc: I picked it up sans the expensive delivery fee.

20:50:11 trinque: the_scourge: heh, dude.. this feel, I know it

20:51:16 ben_vulpes: <trinque> pretty easy to bitch about how everyone's terrible in the US too if one allows himself << stupidity and malice are the *defaults*, guys. people who aren't either stupid or malicious are *not* to be expected.

20:51:18 ben_vulpes: anywhere.

20:52:14 the_scourge: ben_vulpes: is that because all of the non-stupid people ended up dispairing and turned malicious?

20:54:26 trinque: the_scourge: https://rumpydog.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/kenny-big-cat-rescue.jpg

20:54:28 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1xjqfi1 )

20:54:50 trinque: you take what used to be a predator, add captivity and asinine breeding habits, boom

20:56:13 the_scourge: is that that crazy big cat place in middle of nowhere wisconsin? with the ligers?

20:56:18 the_scourge: i've been there!

20:56:34 the_scourge: but that's a really fucked up... tiger?

20:56:45 trinque: dunno; googled "fat imbred large feline"

20:56:46 the_scourge: er that's a liger isn't it

20:57:04 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes speaking of which : sent emails to ~500 real estate agencies in buenos aires, yes.

20:57:04 trinque: vaguely recalled that they're imbreeding white tigers to keep them going

20:57:27 mircea_popescu: today, sent responses to ~300 of them, that were inquiring to know a) where is the center of buenos aires and b) whether argentines are poor.

20:57:40 mircea_popescu: i was happy to confirm for their needs where the center is and that yes indeed they are poor.

20:57:47 the_scourge: http://votk.org/ < that's the place i think the liger might have died though

20:57:48 assbot: Valley of the Kings Home Page ... ( http://bit.ly/1xjrEoL )

20:57:58 mircea_popescu: stupidity, yes. malice... rarely. on account of people being so stupid they can't really manage malice on the same cpu.

21:00:33 punkman: Ulbricht: "On Wednesday, a jury took about three hours to find him guilty on all seven counts."

21:01:01 pete_dushenski: damn, bb was right on the nose!

21:01:22 trinque: railroad's running right on time

21:01:25 asciilifeform: what they did for 3 hours? played cards ?

21:01:34 mircea_popescu: ha, wd bb.

21:02:02 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Wow. I just woke up and won?

21:02:07 mircea_popescu: yup

21:02:15 asciilifeform: i bet that soldering iron is warming up already.

21:02:20 asciilifeform: if not sizzling quite yet

21:02:31 mircea_popescu: turns out im the worlds most inept prop bettor :D

21:02:36 BingoBoingo: Last night I got stressed an make a Minix, today...

21:03:00 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: minix, rly ?

21:03:14 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Practicing small

21:03:16 asciilifeform: honest minix or the heretical minix3 ?

21:03:25 BingoBoingo: old minix

21:03:30 asciilifeform: neato.

21:03:48 the_scourge: punkman: link?

21:03:49 asciilifeform: 'Do you pine for the nice days of minix-1.1, when men were men and wrote their own device drivers?' - linus t.

21:03:51 BingoBoingo: Not sure if worked

21:04:02 punkman: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-02-04/ross-ulbricht-convicted-of-running-silk-road-as-dread-pirate

21:04:03 assbot: Ross Ulbricht Convicted of Running Silk Road as Dread Pirate Roberts - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1xjuvya )

21:04:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 125900 @ 0.00036624 = 46.1096 BTC [-] {2}

21:04:31 mircea_popescu: ill brb

21:05:09 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I may not have built a userland or drivers

21:05:23 *: BingoBoingo needs more reads

21:05:36 the_scourge: wtf, that speeds things up a little

21:06:12 trinque: holy *shit*; life in prison?

21:06:22 asciilifeform: now who wants to talk about the mythical nullifying juries, lol

21:06:22 the_scourge: no kidding

21:06:52 trinque: dude's being drawn and quartered as an example

21:07:03 asciilifeform: for folks unfamiliar with u.s. jurisprudence, verdict has to be unanimous

21:07:32 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> for folks unfamiliar with u.s. jurisprudence, verdict has to be unanimous << Not in every kind of case actually

21:07:38 asciilifeform: if 11 jurors were to feel like, e.g., letting dpr go, and one did not, 'hung jury' and the kangaroo court gets to do the whole thing again

21:07:47 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: in criminal trials, iirc

21:07:49 BingoBoingo: But must almost always be some sort of super majority

21:07:50 asciilifeform: civil - no

21:08:24 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: in criminal trials, iirc << In capital (death penalty) trials, probably other yes.

21:08:45 asciilifeform: in all fed criminal trials. and in most state criminals.

21:09:15 BingoBoingo: Ah

21:09:32 asciilifeform: ianal.

21:09:54 asciilifeform: incidentally,

21:09:55 asciilifeform: http://fija.org/2014/04/25/jackson-v-louisiana-revisits-non-unanimous-jury-verdicts

21:09:57 assbot: Supreme Court to Consider Revisiting Non-Unanimous Jury Verdicts ... ( http://bit.ly/1xjxeYm )

21:10:18 asciilifeform: ^ apparently even this is now up for being fucked with

21:14:33 cazalla: seems qntra already had a category for antarctica.. ;;later tell BingoBoingo australia is not the same as antarctica lol http://qntra.net/2014/12/australia-the-tax-institute-calls-for-voluntary-bitcoin-registry-treating-bitcoin-as-currency/

21:14:34 assbot: Australia: The Tax Institute Calls for 'Voluntary' Bitcoin Registry, Treating Bitcoin as Currency | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1xjzuPd )

21:14:51 BingoBoingo: cazalla: Are you sure?

21:16:24 cazalla: yes and that is despite the past week being freezing here (sunny morning today, yay)

21:17:45 BingoBoingo: Antartica, Australia, Africa, Asia, Americas... Continents need less alliteration.

21:17:53 BingoBoingo: !up sergiohlb

21:18:06 cazalla: how's this for a forecast? http://i.imgur.com/s2vBAl0.png

21:18:07 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1xjB3wG )

21:18:43 pete_dushenski: cazalla: BingoBoingo http://pastebin.com/13TyxDv7

21:18:45 assbot: Title: Banca d’Italia ends AML/KYC for Bitcoin businesses, opts out of economi - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1xjBjvL )

21:19:23 pete_dushenski: saved you boys the trouble :)

21:19:46 cazalla: re: pastebin submissions, can we please use email? google snatches these up quick and pastebin gets the credit for the content

21:20:06 cazalla: it's not a big deal but would not want to see it become a habit

21:20:23 pete_dushenski: por supuesto

21:20:28 pete_dushenski: next time: email

21:20:40 cazalla: it's not just you pete_dushenski so, nothing personal :)

21:25:51 asciilifeform: google appears to crawl #b-a www log every other minute or so, likewise.

21:26:03 asciilifeform: (why? ask them)

21:28:10 pete_dushenski: following behind the cool kids and taking notes is nothing new

21:28:19 pete_dushenski: it's worked on the playground since basically forever

21:28:31 pete_dushenski: and what is the internet if not a big playground ?

21:32:00 pete_dushenski: some kids are playing tag, some kids are playing chess, some kids are driving the teachers crazy,

21:32:10 pete_dushenski: some kids are lighting things on fire

21:32:22 pete_dushenski: others, chasing girls

21:33:33 the_scourge: so what does that make google? the monitor or a nerd?

21:33:55 pete_dushenski: which makes me think i should re-write that old classic "all i really need to know i leaned in kindergarten" for the internet age

21:34:43 pete_dushenski: see, the nerd has a good chance of growing up to be someone someday, so google can't very well be that

21:35:06 pete_dushenski: so i guess the monitor, trying to adapt and keep up with the kids

21:35:13 pete_dushenski: but ultimately being slow and a bit greying

21:35:36 pete_dushenski: unless there's a third alternative ?

21:37:48 the_scourge: the desperate wannabe? i think i remember a few of those

21:38:06 the_scourge: i think they outnumbered genetic alphas

21:38:32 nubbins`: o.O

21:38:51 nubbins`: Choose Your Own Stereotype Based On Incomplete Analogies 101

21:38:52 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: !s merit washing << seen this ? http://www.contravex.com/2014/04/27/philanthropy-not-power/

21:38:53 assbot: "Philanthropy." Not Power. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dfg0Cq )

21:39:14 nubbins`: pete_dushenski stop bogarting that dutch

21:39:46 pete_dushenski: ;;google bogart the dutch

21:39:47 gribble: Humphrey Deforest (Humphrey) Bogart - New Netherland Institute: http://www.newnetherlandinstitute.org/history-and-heritage/dutch_americans/humphrey-bogart/; bogart - Wiktionary: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bogart; Humphrey Bogart - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humphrey_Bogart

21:40:04 pete_dushenski: should i know this idiom ?

21:42:32 nubbins`: ;;ud bogart

21:42:33 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bogart | A slang term derived from the last name of famous actor Humphrey Bogart because he often kept a cigarette in the corner of his mouth, seemingly never actually ...

21:42:38 nubbins`: ;;ud dutch

21:42:39 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=going+dutch | going dutch. In dating, when both parties pay for their own bills, thus effectively dispelling the double-standard where men are always expected to pay.

21:42:43 nubbins`: meh on 2nd

21:43:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74480 @ 0.000364 = 27.1107 BTC [-] {2}

21:43:20 nubbins`: ;;ud smoking dutch

21:43:21 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Dutch&page=2 | No one actually smokes dutches, they just gut them bitches and fill em up wit product. 2) a slang word for a blunt 3) i guess a dutch is also sumone from Holland ...

21:43:45 pete_dushenski: lol

21:48:44 ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> today, sent responses to ~300 of them, that were inquiring to know a) where is the center of buenos aires and b) whether argentines are poor. << why were they asking if argentines are poor?

21:48:49 kakobrekla: ;;later tell mircea_popescu jurov http://files.bitcoin-assets.com/wot/trustlist.txt

21:48:50 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1yJj0BA )

21:48:50 gribble: The operation succeeded.

21:49:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100661 @ 0.00035948 = 36.1856 BTC [-] {2}

21:49:05 ben_vulpes: neatly awkable

21:49:07 ben_vulpes: wd kakobrekla

21:49:08 ben_vulpes: ty

21:49:14 jurov: thanks kakobrekla!

21:49:17 kakobrekla: yw

22:05:14 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: the part of the world where i live is plagued with, among other insects, a type of caterpillar that devours trees wholesale. every spring, gigantic hives (?) - nests with webbing - appear, and when they're full, you can almost see them pulsate, pulsate << Used to be bigger problem here. Then they were largely defeated

22:05:24 asciilifeform: defeated << how ?

22:06:06 phillipsjk: I think birds eat them.

22:06:39 asciilifeform: phillipsjk: the birds here - not very enthusiastically. hence the infestation

22:07:20 phillipsjk: some trees will tolerate one or two defoliations per season as well.

22:07:56 asciilifeform: if this were not so, there'd be rather few trees left here.

22:08:25 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: philanthropists article << precisely them

22:08:45 pete_dushenski: thought so :)

22:08:45 *: phillipsjk decides to stop talking about things he knows little about.

22:09:10 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: it's quite the little game those kids play

22:09:32 pete_dushenski: dancing about, spouting words, meeting "important" people

22:09:54 pete_dushenski: it's probably not a bad gig actually

22:10:12 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: but more generally, applies to the sv vc crapolade. i.e. why does mr schmuck get 100 megabezzlars for schmuckatron? because he's the son/nephew/catamite of one of the vultures who feasted on the corpse of fairchild semi, at&t (pre-breakup), etc.

22:10:58 pete_dushenski: this is no different from what mazarin did

22:11:02 asciilifeform: (not necessarily direct relation - son in law, etc. will do in a pinch. as there's plenty of printed money to go around)

22:11:22 pete_dushenski: re-appropriate some wealth, give to kids

22:11:32 pete_dushenski: isn't this a roman thing even?

22:11:45 asciilifeform: the most pathetic aspect is when civilians become afflicted with the delusion of 'i can haz some too'

22:11:47 pete_dushenski: (and many others too, i'm sure)

22:12:02 pete_dushenski: well, because "we're all equal"

22:12:22 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: as i tried to explain to mircea_popescu, 'merit wash' is a rather distinct animal from ordinary inheritance

22:12:30 asciilifeform: how:

22:12:47 pete_dushenski: so kid in compton is just like god-daughter of mr. rothschild

22:12:51 asciilifeform: inheritance doesn't create a gigantic circus where millions of fools think they have a shot at being an heir

22:13:03 asciilifeform: and thus warping entire civilization in various crippling ways

22:13:24 asciilifeform: !s tournament market

22:13:25 assbot: 7 results for 'tournament market' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=tournament+market

22:13:39 pete_dushenski: it would seem to necessitate an eventual divorce from reality

22:13:41 pete_dushenski: just to cope

22:14:04 pete_dushenski: (for the kids with no shot)

22:14:06 asciilifeform: let's ask BingoBoingo how sport aficionados feel re: 'fixed' matches in sports where this is not customary

22:14:21 pete_dushenski: are there such sports ?

22:14:30 pete_dushenski: maybe... golf

22:14:43 asciilifeform: that's the effect meritwash has on the participants (the 'extras' in the film, naturally. the pre-ordained winners - laugh all the way to the bank.)

22:14:47 pete_dushenski: where officials are largely on the sidelines and players call their own penalties

22:15:13 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: which they do anyways so it can't be about them

22:15:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 170200 @ 0.00035609 = 60.6065 BTC [-] {2}

22:15:32 pete_dushenski: the difference is the injustice wrought upon the multitudes

22:15:44 asciilifeform: or, famously, the first television 'game show' - '64,000 dollar question' (usa) was famously discovered, in its day, to be fixed

22:15:49 asciilifeform: and this caused a national scandal

22:16:14 pete_dushenski: similar to who wants to be a millionaire? or the same ?

22:16:22 asciilifeform: no idea re ^

22:16:30 *: asciilifeform not a scholar of the subject

22:16:52 pete_dushenski: it's not important

22:17:07 pete_dushenski: i get the picture

22:17:26 asciilifeform: 276666 incidentally.

22:17:37 pete_dushenski: chugging along eh

22:18:00 pete_dushenski: i'm heading out tho. cheers!

22:18:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 118339 @ 0.00035815 = 42.3831 BTC [+]

22:27:18 jurov: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/the-pirate-bay-is-an-fbi-honeypot-a-disconcertingly-plausible-conspiracy-theory

22:27:19 assbot: The Pirate Bay Is an FBI Honeypot: a Disconcertingly Plausible Conspiracy Theory | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1zMEsKo )

22:30:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87520 @ 0.00037162 = 32.5242 BTC [+]

22:34:04 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes specifically, they wanted to know "what zones im interested in" and "what my budget is".

22:34:14 mircea_popescu: somehow this are questions now.

22:34:36 asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2015/02/gchq-lovely-horse-intercept-15-0204.pdf << uk gov digs through, e.g., 'pastebin', in search of 0days.

22:34:37 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zMIfau )

22:34:38 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla hawt.

22:35:04 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform most script kiddies do neh ?

22:35:40 asciilifeform: there is a tradition of actually throwing genuine 0days in there.

22:35:43 asciilifeform: don't ask me why

22:36:05 asciilifeform: but naturally this creates million zombies with 'gambler's disease' who dig, dig, dig

22:38:19 mircea_popescu: cazalla: re: pastebin submissions, can we please use email? google snatches these up quick and pastebin gets the credit for the content << oops sorry bout that.

22:38:24 mircea_popescu: say i gpg to your key next time ?

22:38:53 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: (why? ask them) << usg looking for zero days as well :)

22:41:30 cazalla: mircea_popescu, that works

22:43:36 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: natural questions for their business models, neh?

22:43:44 mircea_popescu: neh.

22:43:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95400 @ 0.00036332 = 34.6607 BTC [-]

22:44:01 ben_vulpes: how so not?

22:44:08 mircea_popescu: if oyu don't know what the center of the town is or that you live in a shithole, you should go back to highschool.

22:44:27 ben_vulpes: granted, the first parts downright stupid

22:44:41 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> phillipsjk: the birds here - not very enthusiastically. hence the infestation << New birds essentially. Also Replacing favorable trees with less so. Liberal amounts of poisoin too.

22:44:56 mircea_popescu: then answer to "i'm looking to rent" is "best value for money i got is this, best all around property is this, which you want ?"

22:45:15 mircea_popescu: not "oh, are buildings made of building materials i wonder soliloquously ?"

22:46:54 cazalla: mircea_popescu: phillipsjk you know you might be the first guy of your kind i ever met. so, you're on some isp's forum because... it's your isp ? and i suppose on the mazda forum if/when driving a mazda and so on ? <<< popular thing in australia, or at least was back in 90s, early 2000s

22:47:09 cazalla: local dialup isp even had bbqs

22:47:37 mircea_popescu: o, that they did in the 90s too. local dialup isp almost always being "three or four of the cooler kids in that neighbourhood"

22:47:46 mircea_popescu: in ro in the 90s*

22:50:07 mircea_popescu: jurov: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/the-pirate-bay-is-an-fbi-honeypot << that usg agitprop runs this about tpb after a year of studiously ignoring http://fraudsters.com/2013/dear-guardian-stop-being-retarded/ seems the best street cred for current day tpb.

22:50:08 assbot: vmp - Error Site | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1zMMnqU )

22:50:09 assbot: Dear Guardian : stop being retarded. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1zMMnrc )

22:53:50 mircea_popescu: The well-heeled group seemed receptive. ?I think it?s fantastic,? said Patrick Gage, a 19-year-old heir to the multibillion-dollar Carlson hotel and hospitality fortune. ?I?ve never seen anything like this before.? Mr. Gage is an industry leader in enforcing measures to combat trafficking and involuntary prostitution.

22:53:57 mircea_popescu: lol check it out, it's an industry now :D

22:54:17 mircea_popescu: anyway, so obama gets 100 rich kids together to inquire about soft capital confiscation. turns out the kids don't mind.

22:57:11 mircea_popescu: in other news, http://pastebin.com/Hhmy0DUL

22:57:12 assbot: I am a No Limits No Taboo slave looking to be owned by men, women or a couple. I - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1DzrqhY )

23:05:16 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform> let's ask BingoBoingo how sport aficionados feel re: 'fixed' matches in sports where this is not customary << Actual fraud. One the other hand horrifically mismatched team (happens a lot in college where small schools will get paid by larger schools to play a game the larger school anticipates winning) can be loads of fun. Especially when the school paid to play wins.

23:10:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 143111 @ 0.00036154 = 51.7404 BTC [-] {2}

23:12:33 mircea_popescu: "when the FBI tackled Ulbricht in the Library with the Laptop Forensics Toolkit" << also, partition encryption werks!

23:21:18 mircea_popescu: o by the way. anyone know who were the first gynecologists ?

23:21:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52889 @ 0.00036052 = 19.0675 BTC [-]

23:22:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53190 @ 0.00036335 = 19.3266 BTC [+]

23:25:02 kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> cazalla: re: pastebin submissions, can we please use email? google snatches these up quick and pastebin gets the credit for the content << oops sorry bout that. < dpaste btw

23:25:17 mircea_popescu: that's a point.

23:25:23 kakobrekla: no public pastes, no ads

23:25:41 mircea_popescu: yeh yeh. dunno how pastebin crept back in.

23:26:04 cazalla: mircea_popescu, barbers as well?

23:26:14 mircea_popescu: cazalla mendicunt monks.

23:26:48 cazalla: i vaguely remember reading about barbers being surgeons on fraudsters before hence reasoning for my guess

23:31:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92910 @ 0.00036335 = 33.7588 BTC [+]

23:33:05 asciilifeform: how pastebin crept back in << rough substitute for the shortwave station we don't have

23:33:21 asciilifeform: i.e. no illusions of privacy or reliability

23:33:45 asciilifeform: i dislike the sugar-coated 'nice' pastebins for this reason

23:35:20 mircea_popescu: nono i mean the site specifically.

23:35:23 mircea_popescu: dpaste much better

23:44:25 mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2015/02/banca-ditalia-ends-amlkyc-for-bitcoin-businesses-opts-out-of-economic-death/ << lol ok this one i heart.

23:44:25 assbot: Banca d’Italia Ends AML/KYC For Bitcoin Businesses, Opts Out Of Economic Death | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1I477jz )

23:45:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55430 @ 0.00037162 = 20.5989 BTC [+]

23:51:06 ben_vulpes: pastebin is verboten

23:51:11 ben_vulpes: constantly adding in dos line endings

23:51:13 ben_vulpes: CANNOT ABIDE

23:51:24 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: gyns << no who?

23:51:59 ben_vulpes: Disclosure: Although the event was closed to the media, I was invited by the founders of Nexus, Jonah Wittkamper and Rachel Cohen Gerrol, to report on the conference as a member of the family that started the Johnson & Johnson pharmaceutical company. << woo hoo hoo

23:52:05 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes mendicunt monks.

23:52:05 *: ben_vulpes closes the tab

23:52:08 ben_vulpes: >.<

23:52:36 mircea_popescu: it;'s great!

23:53:16 ben_vulpes: what's the american ob-gyn chain of the future?

23:53:51 mircea_popescu: mmmm

23:53:56 mircea_popescu: herp-r-us ?

23:54:24 mircea_popescu: snatch-o-mattic ?

23:54:48 ben_vulpes: Mend-A-Cunt™

23:54:55 mircea_popescu: lol

23:55:00 mircea_popescu: McBox

23:55:33 mircea_popescu: QwikTwat

23:56:00 BingoBoingo: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9000912

23:56:01 assbot: IBL, Almost Larger Than IRL | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1KesnAA )

23:56:19 mircea_popescu: yay