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00:00:35 mircea_popescu: or alternatively i could hire twenty cocksucking "masseuses" for like 12 btc a season and have the porniest pro sports team in da werld

00:01:10 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: one of these days, you ought to write 'n00b guide' to sports bets. for instance, i grew up thinking of the whole concept as a chumpatron (lusers bet, the sports meisters throw matches & pocket the chumpatronium)

00:01:16 peterl: didnt the "lingerie leauge" or whatever they call it try that?

00:01:17 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, Sauget Illinois is pretty much strip clubs and nothing else

00:01:40 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, you're exactly correct,

00:01:46 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That actually isn't far from the truth

00:01:50 copumpkin: mircea_popescu: whee, it works!!!!!

00:01:58 mircea_popescu: line betting is essentially someone getting in between bitbet and the luser, offering "services" and other customer supports.

00:02:04 mircea_popescu: copumpkin wd!

00:02:05 asciilifeform: ahahaa

00:02:21 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and i don't mean this stylistically. it is factually and quite mathematically exact.

00:02:22 copumpkin: what are these strange cxbtc things I have

00:02:40 mircea_popescu: copumpkin well if you had smpoe and didn't log in for a year you prolly got a buncha divs and whatnot

00:02:44 copumpkin: oh sweet

00:02:50 mircea_popescu: kinda how finance works.

00:03:00 copumpkin: MPOE is by far the best investment I've ever made if you count how much I paid for it and how much it has grown and BTC has grown

00:03:05 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: SPorts betting at its essence boild down to finding players and ownership groups with such animosity towards one another that throwing the game isn't and option.

00:03:09 copumpkin: investment/gamble :P

00:03:19 mircea_popescu: so good for you.

00:03:25 copumpkin: better for you :)

00:03:36 mircea_popescu: i'm sure you can find a buncha daytrading lokhs that know way better.

00:03:40 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: seems like a serious amount of work to do, simply in order to make a fair gamble.

00:03:43 copumpkin: lol

00:04:03 mircea_popescu: "so far my best investment was, buy some mpex stocks and not logging in for a year"

00:04:10 mircea_popescu: sounds like fightin' words in forum land.

00:04:37 copumpkin: mircea_popescu: oh, I'm an index fund kinda guy, and I scoff at daytraders

00:04:45 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: remember my 'test drive' of mpex? that's all i did...

00:04:46 *: copumpkin scoffs at daytraders

00:05:02 mircea_popescu: what do we know.

00:05:05 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It can be. While winning a bet is the best outcome, the best expectable outcome is betting on a game that provides a decent "sweat"

00:05:42 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this is an interesting point

00:05:43 mircea_popescu: anyway, this is a quite legitimate business endeavour. mpex is designed so that people can make their own brokerages and serve demographics on top of it.

00:05:52 mircea_popescu: bitbet is so made that people can run their own line books backed on it

00:05:53 mircea_popescu: etc.

00:06:00 mircea_popescu: growth enabling strategy.

00:06:21 mircea_popescu: course, this shit takes professionalism (of the actual kind), so there's not that much being done so far.

00:06:25 peterl: copumkin: great way to invest if you have the patience to not get in your own way

00:06:45 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The nature of how baseball works lends a lot of games to beign interesting sweats. Less so with hockey, still far less with Handegg, and almost never does an interesting sweat come from basketball.

00:07:11 mircea_popescu: why is this ?

00:07:24 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: because of some intrinsic fact about the games? or mere historical happenstance?

00:07:37 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Intrinsic facts in this ordering.

00:07:48 mircea_popescu: do tell ?

00:08:16 BingoBoingo: Baseball's offense is based on an action that at best succeeds 1/3 of the time.

00:08:35 BingoBoingo: Hockey similarly relys on accidental scoring.

00:08:55 BingoBoingo: With Handegg, generally there is a better team and that team wins.

00:08:55 mircea_popescu: so this makes them better sweats ?

00:09:05 mircea_popescu: ah cause randomness ?

00:09:07 BingoBoingo: With basketball pointshaving is a thing.

00:09:15 mircea_popescu: ;;google pointshaving

00:09:22 ThickAsThieves: by sweat you mean suspense?

00:09:28 peterl: I seem to remember reading that good baseball teams lose to bad teams more often than good basketball teams lose to bad teams

00:09:30 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yeah. Randomness makes more Interesting bets.

00:09:35 BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Exactly

00:09:51 BingoBoingo: Even the Miami Marlins win some games

00:09:59 mircea_popescu: oh i see

00:10:23 BingoBoingo: Bets are not investments

00:10:23 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo amusingly, i just rewatched every given sunday earlier

00:10:28 mircea_popescu: miami... sharks was it ?

00:10:32 kakobrekla: <BingoBoingo> mircea_popescu: Yeah. Randomness makes more Interesting bets. < that explains the just dice!

00:10:42 nubbins`: ^ heh

00:11:19 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: In the movie. IRL the dolphins at that level.

00:11:52 BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: The difference is dice players aren't patient enough to wait two hours to find out how they rolled.

00:12:06 mircea_popescu: " According to the 1999 Gambling Impact Study, an estimated $80 billion to $380 billion was illegally bet each year on sporting events in the United States. This estimate dwarfed the $2.5 billion legally bet each year in Nevada"

00:12:07 mircea_popescu: heh

00:12:26 ThickAsThieves: "The CEO of Reddit has personally gone to bitcointalk to warn users to not invest in an IPO coin "Redditcoin" and warn they will take action if it is released."

00:12:41 ThickAsThieves: take action how?

00:12:43 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, Nevada has no professional teams

00:12:55 kakobrekla: coingen it tat

00:13:15 asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: imagine if technology were possible! he could simply whisper 'this turd will not bear my pgp signature' and be done.

00:13:17 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves sue, basically.

00:13:37 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that technology would basically be... imagine if poor people had no money.

00:13:42 mircea_popescu: that's all the needed technology.

00:13:50 ThickAsThieves: shit the last thing i need is reddit after me

00:13:58 ThickAsThieves: i dont have enough firsts or walls

00:14:05 ThickAsThieves: fists*

00:14:26 asciilifeform: i mean, it is a deep mystery to me why it should ever remain in doubt whether 'X endorses Y'

00:14:32 asciilifeform: given that we have public key crypto

00:14:40 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "It is of negative survival value in the context of financial collapse." << this is strictly untrue.

00:14:52 mircea_popescu: trustfulness is actually always positive, and much more so in stressed environments.

00:15:24 ThickAsThieves: so there's some kinda chatter about some bitcoin news tomorrow

00:15:33 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: only as 'part of a balanced diet!' with a working 'Friend Or Foe' detector.

00:15:38 ThickAsThieves: could explain the rally

00:15:42 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves just ver & co trying to wash the foundation thing.

00:15:53 kakobrekla: how ?

00:15:57 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, i mean this. gedank :

00:16:02 ThickAsThieves: https://twitter.com/niccary/status/440598582551674880

00:16:02 ozbot: Twitter / niccary: This is going to be an exciting ...

00:16:17 mircea_popescu: two sets of chumps, separated by semipermeable membrane. on left, trustfull, on right untrustful chumps.

00:16:31 kakobrekla: maybe its theseckritbitcoinproject.io

00:16:31 mircea_popescu: simple minded sociopaths arise in both compartments with the same, god dictated frequency.

00:16:46 mircea_popescu: sociopath on trustful side easily and frictionlessly builds army, wipes other side.

00:16:47 ThickAsThieves: lol

00:16:53 mike_c: haha. from that twitter page: "@niccary @marketmakers @Bloomberg @blockchain did the price of #bitcoin go up as to insider trading?"

00:17:02 mircea_popescu: sociopath on trustless side wastes all his time being paul fucking atreides, wasting his time fighting the freemen leaders.

00:17:06 mike_c: insider trading on bitcoin!!

00:17:16 mike_c: moar regulations please

00:17:26 BingoBoingo: ;;nigger --market all

00:17:31 BingoBoingo: Srry

00:17:40 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

00:18:09 ThickAsThieves: http://texasbitcoinconference.com/hackathon

00:18:12 ozbot: Texas Bitcoin Conference - Hackathon

00:18:20 ThickAsThieves: surely someone here can nab that $1m

00:18:25 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is correct, depending on the playing field. not everyone is inclined to build armies, though - some folks just want to kill & eat their neighbors.

00:18:39 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but it is not actually sociopathic to kill the trustful.

00:18:40 ThickAsThieves: "Up to 49% of your team can be remote."

00:18:55 mircea_popescu: basically, the story here is that statistically, the trustfull will fare better.

00:19:28 mircea_popescu: for that matter, the strategy of the woman that goes "i like you, fuck me please" actually beats into shit the strategy of the woman that plays the aloof wallflower.

00:19:39 mircea_popescu: as counterintuitive and mother-in-law-wisdom contradictory this may seem.

00:19:41 cazalla: wonder if gox actually deleted account and personal details as they said they would after 90 days (from memory i was 90)

00:19:48 asciilifeform: my first imagined picture, when reading mr. o's bit, was the demise of the dodo bird.

00:19:58 mike_c: cazalla: do you really wonder?

00:19:58 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: ебать его

00:20:08 BingoBoingo: I will write this n00b guide to sports bets

00:20:40 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but a dodo is not a chump.

00:20:49 BingoBoingo: And in the process teach people how to only lose 30% pr year

00:21:04 mircea_popescu: your own definition includes free will.

00:21:20 ThickAsThieves: "Iceland’s Auroracoin Passes Litecoin, Becomes Third Largest Altcoin by Market Cap" coindesk...

00:21:29 asciilifeform: well, the animal is often described as having had an... inadequate reaction to predators, having lives as it did without them

00:22:09 ThickAsThieves: enky says "Auroracoin is premined, it doesnt make sense to look the marketcap"

00:22:24 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that part is true. but it was not capable of useful work.

00:22:38 mircea_popescu: compare for better results the fate of various subhuman tribes encountered by europeans.

00:22:51 mircea_popescu: the ones that failed to suck cock rapidly, eagerly and well are now extinct.

00:23:59 asciilifeform: i do wonder what, if anything, has been heard of the Yanomami indians since that time when traders supplied them with shotguns...

00:24:03 mircea_popescu: aztecs made hernan cortes king. aztecs still exist today. sioux though it proper to oppose. sioux are gone.

00:24:09 BingoBoingo: Well in that case the ones who never encountered small pox before are equally extinct.

00:24:20 copumpkin: mircea_popescu: didn't you have something about popescuity at some point?

00:24:27 copumpkin: I don't see it anymore :(

00:24:34 mircea_popescu: copumpkin yeah it was a signed message in like... 2011 ?

00:24:49 BingoBoingo: And the Sious did outlast the Aztecs.

00:24:59 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo how you figure ?

00:25:03 copumpkin: mircea_popescu: damn, I'm out of date :(

00:25:15 *: kakobrekla sends some date to copumpkin

00:25:21 ThickAsThieves: so i posted the link to The Last Question on facebook, and it only got Likes from jesus lovers

00:25:33 mircea_popescu: lol

00:25:48 BingoBoingo: Aztec descendents survived on their women's lubrication and in that course became something different. Sioux staying pure now merely sell gas for $6 per gallon to people who can't stay on the interstate.

00:26:00 mircea_popescu: so i've been reading stan's last post for the past fucking hour, becase you people are killing any shred of productivity.

00:26:23 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i kinda count "Becoming something different" as survival.

00:26:28 mircea_popescu: seeing how it's the key to survival.

00:27:49 cazalla: mike_c: not really :\ i am hopeful they did delete my ID as they said they would after i closed my account

00:28:01 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well it counts as personal survival, but not cultural survival. It's a mindset. A flawed one. But it is the one dominant on this continent in spite of wrongness.

00:28:21 mircea_popescu: cazalla all that hopeful and five dollars buys you a cup of coffee.

00:28:36 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo shitty cultures aren't going to survive anyway.

00:28:50 mircea_popescu: people took 25k years to come up with... pottery ? fuck them, you don't even want that shit to survive.

00:29:07 mircea_popescu: kind-of why the only thought the collapse of the us evokes in my head is... well... good riddance.

00:29:28 mircea_popescu: i'd much more regret the russians should they go, even as they've been unmitigated assholes their entire history.

00:29:32 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The bigger problem is they had buffalo that many years and never managed to turn them into cows.

00:29:35 mircea_popescu: at least good novels. plus good words.

00:30:08 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo some argument can be brought that a relative lack of readily available iron made them kind-of stone-age-bound 4ever.

00:30:11 mircea_popescu: imo it's a weak argument.

00:30:24 BingoBoingo: Wisconsin had plenty of easy Iron

00:30:28 mircea_popescu: right.

00:30:36 mircea_popescu: i mean... most of yurp had no iron

00:30:42 mircea_popescu: sweden did, and it was enough.

00:30:53 BingoBoingo: The problem was they used Iron to shape flint and not the right way

00:31:46 mircea_popescu: no but i mean... nobody forbade that, you know ?

00:31:52 mircea_popescu: they could have shoved it up their butts too,

00:32:01 BingoBoingo: Still an interesting alternate history it would be if the filthy spanish did not small pox the continent and therby give the English the chance to colonize

00:32:03 mircea_popescu: just as long as they made some tenochtitlan steel sabres cca 1300

00:33:31 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/wp-content/90s.jpg

00:33:35 mircea_popescu: he looks like such a total derp, too

00:33:37 BingoBoingo: I some alternate history Ohio could have been the real Afghanistan

00:33:39 mircea_popescu: they give stars to anyone now.

00:33:59 asciilifeform: 'those were the great roaring 90s, we survived as well as we could'

00:34:27 asciilifeform: multiple generations of derps killed their predecessors, ending with a final crop of mostly-functional beings

00:34:32 mircea_popescu: but tha tdouche ? srsly ?

00:34:33 asciilifeform: as described, in great detail, elsewhere

00:34:37 mircea_popescu: people are rolling in graves.

00:35:03 mircea_popescu: "if you give that fucking nimrod 1500 i'll shoot him on general principle"

00:38:28 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'm telling you can't be more than 20 BTC next year to take them http://www.frontierleague.com/teams/frontier-greys/

00:39:08 mircea_popescu: jaysus

00:39:55 BingoBoingo: Check the history of the town they are headquartered in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sauget,_Illinois

00:40:02 mircea_popescu: http://www.frontierleague.com/league/transactions/ < o look, they have a bitcoin exchange

00:40:05 ozbot: Transactions | Frontier League

00:40:55 BingoBoingo: Seriously the formula should be buy a frontier league team, hire some MLB players

00:40:58 BingoBoingo: ???

00:40:59 mircea_popescu: what's OF SS etc

00:41:01 BingoBoingo: Profit

00:41:06 BingoBoingo: OF is outfield

00:41:13 BingoBoingo: SS is Shortstop

00:41:15 mircea_popescu: "The population was 249 at the 2000 census." hah

00:41:37 mircea_popescu: Sauget was incorporated as "Monsanto" in 1926. It was formed to provide a liberal regulatory environment and low taxes for the Monsanto chemical plants at a time when local jurisdictions had most of the responsibility for environmental rules. It was renamed in honor of Leo Sauget, its first Village President

00:41:37 mircea_popescu: ew

00:41:43 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, No one but Monsanto and strip clubs actually are in the city limits

00:41:46 mircea_popescu: i wouldn't buy that shit if it was free.

00:42:13 BingoBoingo: Well they haven't had a mayor not named Sauget in nearly a century

00:42:23 BingoBoingo: Fuedalism is alive and well in /Murica

00:43:06 mircea_popescu: The Monsanto plant in Sauget was also home to a serious accident in January 1992 when worker Charles Pritchett was critically hurt. Pritchett was caught in an auger used for moving small materials and shredding rubber. He was stuck in the auger for five hours while officials attempted to extract him. Pritchett was in a coma for three months and pronounced dead twice. Pritchett's leg was eventually amputated due to infe

00:43:06 mircea_popescu: ction and the severity of the mutilation. Judge C. Glenn Stevens awarded the man $16,000,000 in 1993 to compensate him. To satisfy the judgment, the Midwest Rubber Reclaiming plant and equipment owned by the Monsanto Corporation was sold at auction in August 1993. The site has since been leveled with no future prospects for development.

00:43:07 mircea_popescu: herp

00:43:50 BingoBoingo: herp, It was reclaimed for still more strip clubs

00:44:33 mircea_popescu: what's a working girl make there ?

00:44:49 BingoBoingo: Depends on the tits and how not black she is

00:45:17 mircea_popescu: white c cup

00:45:27 mircea_popescu: 24 yo

00:45:50 BingoBoingo: hundreds a night if she's fat and black, thousands if the ain's fat and lighter. White C cup would prolly work in Caseyville where the money is better

00:45:58 BingoBoingo: Especially at 24

00:46:06 mircea_popescu: thousands a night ?

00:46:10 mircea_popescu: wow, more than most start-ups.

00:46:24 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That East Saint Welfare

00:46:39 mircea_popescu: need moar #womenintech, because currently they're not fucktarded enough to work really long hours doing relaly anyoing shit for very little money.

00:47:12 BingoBoingo: For Srs.

00:47:48 mircea_popescu: fact : the ~average~ entrepreneur will not have made by age 40 as much money as the average hs floozie working the stripping joints in saget, il made.

00:47:51 BingoBoingo: Cause they only make 4x what then men driving the trucks make

00:48:20 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Most of those floozies make more than the doctors that patronize them make

00:48:32 mircea_popescu: not oft said enough.

00:48:48 BingoBoingo: And then they turn 30

00:49:38 BingoBoingo: Once they turn 30 some horses at Fairmount park sell their jizz for more than the floozie's going rate.

00:49:44 mircea_popescu: "I move that MPOE-PR be appointed supreme dictator of the Bitcoin Foundation.

00:49:44 mircea_popescu: Hopefully these will be the first orders of business: dissolve, disband, liquidate."

00:49:56 mircea_popescu: dude imagine, a chick being emperor of bitcoin.

00:50:10 BingoBoingo: So much fanfiction would happen

00:50:16 asciilifeform: why the hell not

00:50:21 mircea_popescu: ^

00:50:25 mircea_popescu: you two answered each other.

00:52:11 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Does Hanna have thoughts on these developments? Other than "finally" and oter breif quips?

00:52:53 mircea_popescu: you'll have to ask her i guess.

00:53:34 BingoBoingo: Eh, I don't go on Bitcointalk that often anymoar

00:54:22 BingoBoingo: I also have to do this paper on n00b sportbetting for asciilifeform

00:54:39 BingoBoingo: And find ALL of the satoshi communications

00:54:46 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: not direly essential, i think i got the basic idea from your summary

00:54:56 BingoBoingo: Ans still try to double those ATC holding

00:55:26 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, n00bs don't read -assets so I might as well write it for them.

01:01:21 mircea_popescu: not wasted effort, writing things up

01:02:10 mircea_popescu: "The last time the Chicago Cubs won a World Series, the Ottoman Empire still existed."

01:03:03 BingoBoingo: And that is why I try not to travel futher north than I-70

01:04:07 BingoBoingo: And Cubs fans drink this swill called "Old Style" which isn't strong enough to be a malt liquor or palatable enough to be a beer.

01:10:17 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: cultural, educational: http://lurkmore.to/%D0%9F%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BA%D0%B0

01:13:49 mircea_popescu: lol

01:13:56 mircea_popescu: clearly military brothels aren't what they used to be

01:15:22 BingoBoingo: As I write the noob sports betting article, I'd like to open a quick survey. What team would people pick to take the World Series this year?

01:15:36 mircea_popescu: lol the churkin performance at the un is pretty lulzy

01:15:43 asciilifeform: ahahaha

01:15:46 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i couldn't name a tea,

01:16:56 mircea_popescu: check that out, they only got 1% ish respond to mobilization orders ?

01:17:01 mircea_popescu: lmao.

01:17:35 mircea_popescu: people all derping around about war. if a general mobilization order issued by the ukraine is ignored so, who the fuck is going to go to war ? france ?

01:17:56 mircea_popescu: maybe if they make the war 4 hours a day and everyone the same height.

01:19:21 asciilifeform: 'make w0r in your sp4r3 t1m3'

01:19:51 nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bmo-customer-s-account-emptied-of-87k-as-bank-falls-for-scam-1.2555647

01:19:51 ozbot: BMO customer's account emptied of $87K as bank falls for scam - British Columbia - CBC News

01:20:03 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: When I wrote the electric boogaloo bet, France's boots were the ones I imagined solving it as Yes

01:20:26 nubbins`: BMO = canada's 4th-largest bank

01:20:28 mircea_popescu: how did you think that one

01:20:28 BingoBoingo: Or Sardinia's boots

01:20:34 mircea_popescu: nubbins` pretty funny.

01:20:36 ThickAsThieves: i'd bet on the Red Sox

01:20:43 ThickAsThieves: but i'm from there

01:20:51 ThickAsThieves: which i suppose is relevant

01:20:57 ThickAsThieves: sweat factor n all

01:20:59 BingoBoingo: Nah, Players as old as big Pappi don't get consecutive good seasons

01:21:16 ThickAsThieves: oh i dont watch baseball anymore

01:21:40 ThickAsThieves: only when i worked at a newspaper

01:21:47 BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: And this is why you follow AsicMiner and not things more interesting to drink to.

01:22:16 ThickAsThieves: i dont drink really

01:22:30 ThickAsThieves: other than for the taste sometimes

01:22:41 BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: And your lack of drinking is why you care about shit like ASICMiner

01:22:45 ThickAsThieves: once i fell out of it, it just makes me sleepy and feel crappy

01:23:00 BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Building a habit takes work

01:23:07 BingoBoingo: So does building an addiction

01:23:16 ThickAsThieves: i put plenty time in during my 20s

01:23:40 ThickAsThieves: i get bored with everything eventually

01:23:40 BingoBoingo: For some reason I suspect your 20's weren't very roaring...

01:23:56 ThickAsThieves: i'm even bored with getting bored with things

01:24:18 BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Maybe it is time to see what Abercrombie tastes like?

01:24:22 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wow, orlov is pro moscow ?!

01:24:24 ThickAsThieves: i ahev my stories

01:24:27 BingoBoingo: What would Hemmingway do?

01:24:33 mircea_popescu: how the hell does that work ? just because he dislikes the usg ?

01:24:40 ThickAsThieves: arrests, fights, etc

01:24:44 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not exactly - mostly anti-u.s./'international community'

01:24:57 asciilifeform: or rather, anti-anglo

01:25:04 BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: I'm still out on bail since last spring

01:25:04 mircea_popescu: but it can't seriously be contemplated ukrainians'd fare better under putin than under merkel

01:25:05 mircea_popescu: or is it ?

01:25:10 ThickAsThieves: lol

01:25:14 ThickAsThieves: well then

01:25:17 mircea_popescu: i mean... eu in no way means anglo

01:25:27 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: under merkel << time for a 'joke'

01:25:30 nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/how-synthetic-identity-fraud-costs-canada-1b-a-year-1.2554429

01:25:31 ozbot: How 'synthetic' identity fraud costs Canada $1B a year - Canada - CBC News

01:25:35 BingoBoingo: Oh, In simple western terms mircea_popescu takes a 180 from IRC mircea

01:25:41 asciilifeform: russian derper: 'if we'd let the jerries win, we'd be riding in mercedes benz now!'

01:25:49 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo huh ?

01:25:50 asciilifeform: counter-derper: 'as the leather seats'

01:25:50 nubbins`: "In one case, Kelly suspects the person used in the scheme had poor English skills and, through miscommunication, wrote down what he believed was the fake name he was supposed to use, which was apparently flashing across his computer screen. This fake identity went on to have an effective credit rating, a driver’s licence, bank accounts, a telephone and an apartment (with renter’s insurance). And

01:25:51 nubbins`: all under the name: Server Froze."

01:26:00 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol

01:26:44 mircea_popescu: server froze is actrually not a bad name

01:26:55 mircea_popescu: for a lead vocal of a postpunk band

01:26:59 nubbins`: certainly, mister froze

01:27:01 nubbins`: just sign here

01:27:06 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Twitter you sounds rather pro-Putin IRC you sounds rather fuck everybody. Unfortunatly people miss the fraudsters you fuck everybody needs to be literal

01:27:08 mircea_popescu: it's mister server

01:27:46 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i'm not pro putin in any sense. it's just that most of the people ending up in my feed are english speaking propaganda agents

01:27:50 mircea_popescu: so i tend to give them a hard time

01:28:12 nubbins`: vladimir poutine

01:28:17 mircea_popescu: lol

01:28:50 nubbins`: wouldn't be able to take the guy seriously if he wasn't such a fucking hardass

01:29:11 mircea_popescu: he's a pretty decent hardass.

01:29:17 mircea_popescu: sort-of like reaganesque i guess

01:29:19 ThickAsThieves: kenna says hi! http://www.moneyandtech.com/mar3-news-update/

01:30:00 mircea_popescu: still tryin' huh.

01:30:15 mircea_popescu: why can't he just make an altcoin like any well behaved scammer and fade into the bitbucket.

01:30:17 asciilifeform: orlov's view seems to be that usg/nato/allies wreck countries (near east, etc.) to retard development -> to throttle resource consumption, create captive markets a la the brits at their peak, churn mil. inventory, 'controllable chaos' to feed various parasites.

01:30:42 asciilifeform: this is by no means an uncommon view.

01:30:53 mircea_popescu: it's not factually correct tho.

01:31:09 BingoBoingo: Well, it is important to remember that a lot of what made Reagan Reaganesque was his Buffet like dementia

01:31:12 mircea_popescu: what examples do we have ? hungary, slovenia, slovakia, czech, poland, romania, bulgaria, take your pick ?

01:31:47 BingoBoingo: Eh, why not pick on the polaks?

01:31:57 BingoBoingo: They had Ukraine first.

01:32:03 mircea_popescu: all these countries re-industrialised after the soviet collapse.

01:32:10 mircea_popescu: kinda indifferent which you pick

01:32:29 asciilifeform: did they?

01:32:45 asciilifeform: i suppose it depends on what you think of as 'industry'

01:32:52 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: For values of first not == Mongols

01:33:28 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what'd you consider a fair measure ?

01:33:42 ThickAsThieves: LTC hit hard on AUR news

01:33:58 mircea_popescu: romania finished 2 nucelar reactors that the soviets/local commies tried to get going for 15 years, and now exports electricity.

01:34:00 mircea_popescu: is this a measure ?

01:34:07 asciilifeform: sure.

01:34:14 mircea_popescu: i really could keep on going.

01:34:17 asciilifeform: other cases (latvia) not so hot.

01:34:27 mircea_popescu: latvia is a very small unfortunate plot of land tho

01:34:40 asciilifeform: main export, unskilled labour

01:34:42 mircea_popescu: i mean... some geographical zones will just die out if trade barriers go away

01:34:50 mircea_popescu: you wouldn't say washington wrecked detroit per se would you /

01:35:05 BingoBoingo: Oh, Washington destroyed Detroit.

01:35:05 asciilifeform: why not

01:35:21 mircea_popescu: well because in that sense you could as well say i did it.

01:35:27 kakobrekla: oh lol

01:35:28 kakobrekla: >BitcoinNotBombs co-founder Davi Barker was stopped in the Manchester, NH airport by TSA agents demanding to search is bags for Bitcoins. Barker was traveling with Bitcoin related merchandise, namely metal pins with Bitcoin labels on them, which he believes is what confused the TSA agents, who didn’t seem to understand what Bitcoin actually is. Barker was eventually allowed to continue to his flight.

01:35:32 BingoBoingo: Detroit would be thriving if that false flag agent did not smash Patton with a jeep

01:35:38 ThickAsThieves: https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=bitcoin+

01:35:40 ozbot: bitcoin - Wolfram|Alpha

01:35:53 kakobrekla: CALL BOMB SQUAD; CHECK FOR BTC!!

01:36:06 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo or if they bombed japan more generouslky.

01:36:22 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla honestly the thing reads to me like attentionseeking behaviour.

01:36:27 ThickAsThieves: "The purpose of this wallet is to provide cold storage level security with close to web wallet convenience."

01:36:31 mircea_popescu: so the customs searched his bags. it's what customs do.

01:36:31 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Japan doesn't count. Fake Gox BTC, Fake COuntry

01:36:37 BingoBoingo: Or Cuntry

01:36:47 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: smash Patton with a jeep << https://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/PSEUDOSC/ConspirThx.htm

01:36:53 mircea_popescu: they're not obliged nor reasonably expected to go "o heh heh bitcoin heh heh" just so random beavis feels tehy connected.

01:37:15 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yeah well afaik toyota etc is what sunk detroit.

01:37:18 kakobrekla: i cant judge whats true or whats not just whats written

01:38:06 asciilifeform: 'Patton, like Douglas MacArthur, was an unfortunate mixture of personal courage, technical brilliance and toxic personality, and like MacArthur, a role model to three generations of mediocrities who equate pomp and nitpicking with excellence.'

01:38:12 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and as far as parasites go... russia definitely takes the cake. their (putin's) recovery model pretty much relies on parasites

01:38:14 mircea_popescu: nttawwt

01:38:32 mircea_popescu: jesus wtf.

01:38:46 mircea_popescu: who dares slurry the name of Gen Pissintherhine!

01:38:55 kakobrekla: it does remind me of nefarios travel to usa though.

01:39:00 kakobrekla: that was epic.

01:39:09 mircea_popescu: only took him 30 hours to fail ?

01:39:22 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the parasites in the summary being the various u.s. 'aid' busybodies who feast on the festering corpses of countries zapped by 'international community'

01:39:28 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well unlike McArthur Patton was good at being crazy good at his job.

01:39:40 mircea_popescu: "i have 38 dollars, 15 pakistani liras, scottish food stamps and i will be here one month but is all ok"

01:39:57 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform none of them being you know, owners of uk football clubs.

01:40:04 BingoBoingo: Fuck I need a time machine

01:40:13 Mats_cd03: im a big fan of tom ricks' view of how the ukraine will turn out

01:40:16 Mats_cd03: http://ricks.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2014/03/03/ukraine_call_me_a_crazy_optimist_but_i_think_that_in_the_long_run_putin_and_his_kle

01:40:16 ozbot: Ukraine: Call me a crazy optimist, but I think that in the long run, Putin and his kleptocratic pals

01:40:49 BingoBoingo: We just need to advance civilization to RoboKleptocracy already and be done with it

01:41:32 mod6: arnt we alreday there?

01:41:59 Mats_cd03: putin is avon barksdale

01:42:00 BingoBoingo: mod6: Nah, robots still steal for people. We need robots to steal for the sake of theft being fun

01:42:07 asciilifeform: 'orc culture 101.' in the lands of the orcs, when 'human' shows up and says 'we can have government without corruption!' what people hear is 'if we'd let the jerries win, we could be in a mercedes benz. but it isn't too late! and if we end up as the seats, that's our place'

01:42:19 mod6: BingoBoingo: ahh

01:42:22 Mats_cd03: a younger, more handsome negro will surely replace him one day

01:42:33 asciilifeform: like that chinese fellow who wrote that his country ought to be colonized for 300 years before it can be considered 'civilized'

01:42:38 BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: Pharrel?

01:42:40 asciilifeform: and thrown in oubliette for his troubles

01:43:04 asciilifeform: now a brit, french, or one of us - might agree! but who expects the chinese crown to agree.

01:43:07 asciilifeform: you'd have to be an idiot

01:43:13 mircea_popescu: as if anyone could be bothered to colonize china.

01:43:17 asciilifeform: or a traitor, sure of protection from his foreign master

01:43:26 mircea_popescu: if every able bodied white guy did nothing but rape chinese women from now on to the rest of his life,

01:43:34 mircea_popescu: it still wouldn't be done

01:43:37 BingoBoingo: I dunno china takes order well, also heroin well

01:43:51 asciilifeform: 'colonize' doesn't have to mean 'administer british-style'

01:43:55 asciilifeform: could also mean 'biodiesel'

01:44:00 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo but that's the point. you'd have to somehow teach them to stop taking order.

01:44:17 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, that's not colonize for srsly.

01:44:19 asciilifeform: or mrs. thatcher's 'we need no more than 15 mil. russians. to service the pipeline.'

01:44:42 mircea_popescu: lol she actually said that ?

01:45:10 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'll say now that i was never able to track down an authoritative proof of this.

01:45:17 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Nah, you start an IRL Breaking Bad spinoff, call it "The Real Empire Business" All of a sudden you have a nation of 2 billion central kentucky hillbillies

01:45:24 asciilifeform: but, to 50% of russian-speaking people, she may as well have said it

01:45:33 mircea_popescu: ya well...

01:45:36 asciilifeform: (there is also no proof that stalin spoke the famous 'no man no problem')

01:45:40 asciilifeform: but he might as well have

01:45:57 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in stalin's case, the proof is in the picture

01:46:00 asciilifeform: (or 'million deaths is a statistic, one death a tragedy')

01:46:03 mircea_popescu: (that famous one, on the river side)

01:46:19 btcleaker: <-- Insider with ground breaking tip. Shoot mail @ leakerbitcoin@forward.cat for more info

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01:46:54 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

01:46:57 mircea_popescu: sigh

01:47:14 BingoBoingo: leaker quit too soon to get mocked

01:47:19 mircea_popescu: how fucking retarded are kids today ? if you're an insider you need to introduce yourself ?

01:47:30 mircea_popescu: wait, over 600 already ?

01:47:33 asciilifeform: spam'n'scram

01:47:40 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Very retarded see 2bitIdjit for deets

01:47:55 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Over 600 since MPOE resolved

01:48:01 mircea_popescu: heh.

01:48:03 BingoBoingo: For February

01:48:20 mircea_popescu: if i fucking have a heart attack "suddenly" you're all screwed.

01:48:59 mircea_popescu: cokea btw, here's a pro tip : using random seven proxies is not enough

01:49:00 mircea_popescu: we still can tell.

01:49:39 cokea: wat

01:49:47 nubbins`: .cat?

01:49:48 cokea: I'm a better troll than that

01:49:55 cokea: Frozenway is a known VPN mircea_popescu

01:50:24 mircea_popescu: nubbins` supposedly catalan

01:50:28 mircea_popescu: tey're running out of gimmicks.

01:50:31 nubbins`: interesting

01:50:42 nubbins`: didn't know non-us countries got 3-letter TLDs

01:51:11 nubbins`: not that it's a country

01:51:16 mircea_popescu: what the web really needs is a .derp

01:51:29 nubbins`: can you imagine the gold rush on that?

01:51:42 mircea_popescu: srsly.

01:51:47 BingoBoingo: cokea: So what brings you here? ENlightenment?

01:51:58 BingoBoingo: cokea: Do you write for wired?

01:51:58 nubbins`: 3-letter .derp domain for sale, 5k btc

01:52:02 cokea: viagra spam BingoBoingo

01:52:09 cokea: you got that for me BingoBoingo?

01:52:18 BingoBoingo: cokea: Nah kakobrekla would have caught that.

01:52:59 mircea_popescu: " So, now we are threatening to start World War Three because Russia is trying to control the chaos in a failed state on its border ? a state that our own government spooks provoked into failure?"

01:53:05 mircea_popescu: dude how the fuck is the ukraine a failed state

01:53:07 BingoBoingo: cokea: Sometime I am drunk. SOmetimes I am stupid. You didn't catch me here while drunk, so...

01:53:09 mircea_popescu: what are htese people all about.

01:53:15 punkman1: mircea_popescu: you can have .derp for like $200k

01:53:19 cokea: BingoBoingo: I'm also mining manually

01:53:19 mircea_popescu: it's like everyone has nothing better to do than ride the hyperbolae.

01:53:33 btcleak: Guess who's back

01:53:37 nubbins`: you?

01:53:37 mircea_popescu: punkman1 maybe once i'm older.

01:53:43 BingoBoingo: cokea: Must be some serious carpal tunnel

01:53:49 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how the fuck is the ukraine a failed state << exactly same way as the u.s.

01:54:07 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno. last i visited i had a ton of fun.

01:54:12 mircea_popescu: by comparison, ny was boring as fuck.

01:54:16 BingoBoingo: btcleak: Want some real insider leaks?

01:54:23 Multivac: btcleak is tiberius! I hope.

01:54:27 asciilifeform: bankrupt, serious ethnic split, little to no history as an actual nation... dead industry

01:54:27 mircea_popescu: ;;google man pissing, urethal sounds

01:54:34 asciilifeform: subject beaten to death elsewhere

01:54:36 mircea_popescu: ^ insider leak

01:54:37 btcleak: I got the hottest chili ever BingoBoingo Multivac

01:54:38 BingoBoingo: ;;ud sound docking

01:54:39 ozbot: Urban Dictionary: Sound Docking

01:54:54 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno, it doesn't seem failed at all to me.

01:54:59 mircea_popescu: solmalia is a failed state.

01:55:00 btcleak: I guess I'd be better off scamming tho

01:55:07 mircea_popescu: afghanistan, as pumped by the us is a failed state.

01:55:11 BingoBoingo: Prolly better ROI

01:55:11 mircea_popescu: perhaps iraq too. arguably.

01:55:14 btcleak: ya

01:55:25 btcleak: HOTTEST SHIT ON MTGOX

01:55:26 nubbins`: Multivac: i read a story about you today

01:55:39 asciilifeform: currently trying to confirm or refuse a certain interesting rumour

01:55:50 btcleak: Mine isn't a rumor

01:55:54 btcleak: It comes from the man himself

01:56:03 BingoBoingo: btcleak: THis chan largely gave up on Gox 9 months ago. Unless Gox had a baby we don't much care; unless paternity test.

01:56:10 asciilifeform: that yanukovych was in the process of selling vast tracts of land in u. to the chinese

01:56:14 asciilifeform: to be farmed to exhaustion

01:56:17 btcleak: lol fuck gox BingoBoingo

01:56:23 asciilifeform: (as they are presently doing elsewhere)

01:56:27 nubbins`: BingoBoingo: i used to know a lot of freaks, some of whom were into sounding (not sound docking)

01:56:34 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform seeing how i never heard a peep of this until AFTER the troubles, i'd say it's propaganda

01:56:50 asciilifeform: if true, it's a bit of a 'pox on both houses'

01:57:03 BingoBoingo: btcleak: So you have some credentials? SOme history?

01:57:05 asciilifeform: given that, after a russian victory, the process (if actual) will likely re-start

01:57:18 mircea_popescu: good land is in the west anyway

01:57:21 btcleak: BingoBoingo: I'm some random guy

01:57:23 mircea_popescu: or am i confused ?

01:57:29 asciilifeform: center.

01:57:29 BingoBoingo: btcleak: So am I

01:57:35 btcleak: or else I would make you pay forward for the info not after it happens

01:57:51 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo after one makes /. first page no longer random

01:57:58 asciilifeform: west u. is a kind of mournful shithole similar to certain u.s. 'red states'

01:58:05 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: prolly ture

01:58:26 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: OMG, BingoBoingo is more real than Firstname Lastname

01:58:33 mircea_popescu: what's "Farmed to exhaustion" mean anyway.

01:58:38 BingoBoingo: Imma have to read some Sartre

01:58:42 mircea_popescu: modern agriculture uses soil as substrate, plants are fed oil.

01:58:57 nubbins`: nevermind sartre, read some hugh pickens

01:58:59 nubbins`: ;p

01:59:04 btcleak: Sartre is a faggot BingoBoingo

01:59:14 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there is such a thing as an agricultural equivalent of 'strip mining'

01:59:19 btcleak: and a shitty writer BingoBoingo

01:59:29 BingoBoingo: btcleak: Maybe Imma faggot gonna wear your anus around my clit?

01:59:40 btcleak: shitty writer sartre

01:59:55 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes. and everyone is practicing it.

01:59:57 mircea_popescu: and has been

02:00:00 mircea_popescu: for over 50 years.

02:00:00 btcleak: hey mircea_popescu

02:00:08 btcleak: I am so in love with you that I want to give you the info for free

02:00:16 BingoBoingo: btcleak: I am dealing with a real existential crisis where Immaginary me is bigger than actual me.

02:00:20 mircea_popescu: got tits ?

02:00:34 btcleak: I can grow some for you

02:00:44 mircea_popescu: so grow some tits and give me your titlove for free.

02:00:48 BingoBoingo: btcleak: I would like if you gave me your anus and 15 minutes of time to sort out my feelings.

02:00:57 btcleak: I will BingoBoingo

02:01:03 btcleak: LOL this info is funny

02:01:12 mircea_popescu: i wonder how the various ws folk will adapt to this chan in the coming years.

02:01:25 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: They adapt or die

02:01:28 btcleak: you mean when bitcoin ponzi disappear?

02:01:32 mircea_popescu: yeah but it'll be interesting.

02:01:42 mircea_popescu: btcleak btc ponzis can not disappear.

02:01:47 mircea_popescu: they haven't disappeared in fiat yet

02:01:57 BingoBoingo: btcleak: Protip: Bing the lube or I'll make the lube

02:02:08 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: idea was that this (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/04619a7a-5da2-11e3-95bd-00144feabdc0.html) transport project would ship the resulting goods home.

02:02:15 mircea_popescu: o o that

02:02:20 btcleak: lol it will mircea_popescu

02:02:23 mircea_popescu: isn't that an old nazis did it story ?

02:02:26 btcleak: bitcoin is a shit technology

02:02:32 asciilifeform: i've no conclusive evidence! i live in an entirely different failed state, on other side of atlantic ocean.

02:02:49 btcleak: who are the rich faggots here

02:02:52 BingoBoingo: btcleak: What ridiculous tech do you advance? LISP Machines?

02:02:57 btcleak: I need to make a deal regarding my info

02:03:16 mircea_popescu: this kunstler.com thing reads like alex jones in a different cape.

02:03:17 btcleak: BingoBoingo: auto fleshlights

02:03:35 btcleak: mircea_popescu redirect me to the rich folks

02:03:38 BingoBoingo: btcleak: Make your case.

02:03:53 mircea_popescu: go pester ver. he may have 18 btc or so left.

02:03:56 asciilifeform: http://www.apk-inform.com/en/news/1025846

02:03:57 ozbot: Ukraine: Council of Ministers of Crimea and Chinese companies agreed to jointly construct a grain te

02:04:04 asciilifeform: etc.

02:04:07 BingoBoingo: Or in the words of fiddy, get rich or dy trying

02:04:19 btcleak: fuck 18 btc

02:04:25 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform isn't it a little nutty to extrapolate based on that ?

02:04:38 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sure.

02:05:00 mircea_popescu: romania has a grain terminal in constanta large enough to ship the ukraine whole

02:05:02 asciilifeform: a not entirely-implausible scenario, though.

02:05:07 mircea_popescu: still... it's just a terminal

02:05:23 BingoBoingo: btcleak: I may or may not have 300 kbtc. If you offer news that gets a response from me other than nigga, maybe you get 20BTC

02:05:39 asciilifeform: http://newswatch.nationalgeographic.com/2013/09/25/countries-like-china-want-foreign-farm-land/

02:05:43 ozbot: Why China Wants (and Needs) Foreign Farm Land – News Watch

02:05:44 btcleak: lol BingoBoingo

02:05:53 btcleak: I have a confirmed news that is happening in a 2 weeks time frame

02:05:54 BingoBoingo: Nigga please btcleak

02:06:01 asciilifeform: ' The deal will funnel $2.6 billion into Ukraine annually for the next 50 years. China will also send seeds and fertilizer, as well as build some vital infrastructure in Crimea...'

02:06:05 asciilifeform: sept. 25, 2013

02:06:09 nubbins`: big oil popeline terminates in constanta as well, no?

02:06:14 nubbins`: lel popeline

02:06:14 mircea_popescu: so this is somehow a bad thing ?

02:06:17 BingoBoingo: btcleak: Maybe we don't care about foundation jacking off and jizzing?

02:06:17 btcleak: some good shit to be short on

02:06:21 mircea_popescu: this is what the ukraine does, farms for export.

02:06:24 mircea_popescu: since what, 1820

02:06:27 btcleak: who cares of foundation BingoBoingo

02:06:35 nubbins`: btcleak nobody gives a fuck about your news :(

02:06:38 BingoBoingo: btcleak: I dunno? Nigas?

02:06:54 btcleak: nubbins`: yes you love me

02:07:01 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: somehow a bad thing ? << we'll see when it revvs up

02:07:33 mircea_popescu: i guess.

02:07:40 asciilifeform: notice that if china merely wanted to buy the existing agri output, it easily could

02:07:52 BingoBoingo: btcleak: Id I didn't short in Sept 2009 why would I short nao?

02:07:53 asciilifeform: but no, they want to buy land, ship in own agrichemistry, etc

02:07:56 mircea_popescu: ukraine has one of the fucking worst productivities in the world.

02:07:59 asciilifeform: gotta wonder why

02:08:03 mircea_popescu: do you know what they got per hectare in 2012 ?

02:08:09 nubbins`: 1btc

02:08:19 mircea_popescu: something like 1800kgs

02:08:28 mircea_popescu: they could easily get 4k+

02:08:46 asciilifeform: by 'burning the candle at both ends', no?

02:08:49 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Parts of Ukraine have great productivity, other parts suck though. Ukraine is an odd mix of Kansas and Arizona

02:08:56 asciilifeform: as the chinese are suspected of planning

02:09:05 mircea_popescu: well no, by fucking farming properly.

02:09:12 BingoBoingo: ^^

02:09:17 mircea_popescu: they don't even plow half the time

02:09:28 asciilifeform: that's kinda how you keep the thing going, no?

02:09:34 *: asciilifeform is not an agronomist

02:09:47 mircea_popescu: http://s1.ibtimes.com/sites/www.ibtimes.com/files/styles/v2_article_large/public/2011/11/08/186900-a-man-and-a-horse-plough-up-the-field-near-the-village-of-bugayvka-som.jpg

02:09:50 mircea_popescu: i r not kid you.

02:09:55 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: No, you plow all of the time, even during fallow years

02:10:10 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's a difference between fingerfucking and fucking a girl.

02:10:20 mircea_popescu: as long as you don't actually use your knee it doesn't harm her in any way

02:10:20 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: funnily, that horse scene is my father's main memory of his visit to Ro. in the early '80s!

02:10:30 mircea_popescu: well yeah, but meanwhile ro industrialised

02:10:34 mircea_popescu: cause eu capital.

02:10:37 asciilifeform: right

02:10:40 mircea_popescu: ukraine has to do the same thing somehow

02:10:46 mircea_popescu: i guess htey're stuck with chinese capital

02:10:57 asciilifeform: well, the east still has the sov. era industry going, sort of.

02:11:08 mircea_popescu: on the face of things this is all sensible, is what i'm saying. i dun see the big threat

02:11:53 asciilifeform: there wouldn't have been a wankfest if the west u. folks didn't 'go full bore latvian' and decree a 'lowering into prison bitch' of the rus. half

02:11:57 BingoBoingo: If 'Murica can Industrialize so can Ukraine, http://www.kimberamerica.com/1911/raptor-ii

02:11:59 asciilifeform: 'language exams', etc

02:12:03 BingoBoingo: I am a pole and so can you

02:12:07 mircea_popescu: i guess.

02:12:31 mircea_popescu: im not even sure what the tension was, exactly.

02:12:33 asciilifeform: it was a foolish declaration of chimp war, egged on by the u.s

02:12:36 mircea_popescu: there defo was some sort of tension

02:12:38 asciilifeform: as described by mr.o

02:12:47 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform listen, you can't do that from outside.

02:12:51 BingoBoingo: 2001 was a Chimp war kakobrekla can attest

02:12:54 asciilifeform: you do it from inside

02:12:55 mircea_popescu: it's some sexual pathology that's at the root of it.

02:12:56 asciilifeform: using 'ngo

02:12:58 asciilifeform: '

02:13:00 mircea_popescu: nah

02:13:08 kakobrekla: lol BingoBoingo

02:13:16 mircea_popescu: if ngos worked then white chicks wouldn't be raped five times a year on average in south africa today

02:13:19 BingoBoingo: Fucking ass Monoliths

02:13:20 asciilifeform: and by dropping hints that you'll support rebels

02:13:45 kakobrekla: BingoBoingo looks like ukraine needs one

02:13:46 asciilifeform: (see, e.g. mr saakashvili)

02:14:28 BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: I might have one in the garage. Would you escrow the sale of a monolith to the unidentified gunmen?

02:15:00 kakobrekla: better sleep on that one.

02:15:13 BingoBoingo: I need to get rid of this monolith because the squirrels are starting to play nigga golf

02:15:30 kakobrekla: lol

02:15:31 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i tell you, to me this sounds like thje proposition that a bank can provoke a divorce

02:15:37 BingoBoingo: They've gone black, soon they won't come back

02:16:56 BingoBoingo: Also I'd like the garage opener to work instead of returning "err: All of Jupiter's moons are yours except Europa"

02:17:22 BingoBoingo: Annoying ass cargo cult technology

02:17:34 asciilifeform: attempt no parking there.

02:17:49 btcleak: brb niggers

02:18:09 BingoBoingo: Fucking it. Imma load up a space trolley full of ford escorts and make parking there

02:18:30 mircea_popescu: is ford escort slang for a black stripper with lobster tail ?

02:18:40 nubbins`: yeah

02:18:42 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Unfortunatley not

02:18:43 nubbins`: rob ford likes lobster

02:19:10 nubbins`: and tail

02:19:25 BingoBoingo: When I was in high school an acquainance from the boonies came from a family with a surplus of ford passengar cars.

02:19:58 BingoBoingo: The family did things out of boredom like fit dump truck motors into passenger coupes

02:20:09 nubbins`: hah

02:20:18 BingoBoingo: And nao their kid can't fly aero planes

02:20:41 BingoBoingo: Not after that great 4th of july party

02:21:11 BingoBoingo: WHere they turned a ford into a firework barge

02:21:37 BingoBoingo: Eh, though. Live and let dies.

02:22:25 BingoBoingo: Even though the kid fit dump truck power in hatchback confines

02:23:08 nubbins`: fiesta tow truck

02:23:23 mircea_popescu: nah this is nuts. there's not going to be any "de-nazifying" of anything, wtf.

02:24:16 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Well it was a 94 escort and an 88 F-OMNGWTFBBQ Super DUty

02:24:37 nubbins`: i like it

02:24:46 nubbins`: always wanted to hide a muscle car inside a shitbox chassis

02:24:52 nubbins`: this is even better

02:24:58 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: I have no idea if it is still

02:25:11 BingoBoingo: Haven't seen the kid since '06

02:25:29 nubbins`: man, david byrne doesn't stop singing about food, does he?

02:27:22 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: The moral of the story before police get involved is that no, torque alone does not make you fast.

02:27:41 nubbins`: oh, of course not

02:27:51 nubbins`: just like the idea of surprises under the hood

02:28:05 nubbins`: whether it be something that can smoke a cop car or something that can tow a fleet of em

02:28:48 mircea_popescu: ^

02:28:58 mircea_popescu: i was thinking, and wtf do you do for transmission

02:29:24 diametric: evening gents

02:29:37 BingoBoingo: Well last time I saw him I introduced him to a girl who was good at the dick sucking and wanted to sell a Dodge neon.

02:29:51 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You half ass the transmission

02:30:01 mircea_popescu: so it'll do... 60mph ?

02:30:11 mircea_popescu: except... real easy ?

02:30:11 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Hopefully

02:30:17 mircea_popescu: even at say 30% inclines ?

02:30:26 BingoBoingo: Two bolts plus a crankshaft

02:30:34 mircea_popescu: ok that'll prolly blow

02:30:50 BingoBoingo: Only blow so often though

02:30:54 mircea_popescu: you know there's a reason detached semi heads are run a certain way

02:30:58 mircea_popescu: too light spells trouble

02:31:07 BingoBoingo: Of course

02:31:26 mircea_popescu: diametric heya

02:32:30 BingoBoingo: The early 1990's though inherited a lot of the ethos of the 1980's where any motor by a company should work with any transmission

02:33:15 mircea_popescu: yeah, because this is how it works in mechanics.

02:33:25 mircea_popescu: also any roman candle should work with any asshole.

02:33:38 copumpkin: lol

02:33:41 BingoBoingo: I may have tested that last one...

02:34:59 mircea_popescu: anyway, i'd love to see the hand-made transmission some afficionado made to allow a dump truck engine in his thunderbird

02:35:07 mircea_popescu: because such a thing COULD be done, and it'd probably be awesome.

02:35:32 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Do you want me to give you some email addresses?

02:35:39 mircea_popescu: lol noty.

02:35:46 mircea_popescu: but pix if you have them.

02:35:48 BingoBoingo: I know someone not on a no fly list who does that for their Demo cars

02:36:09 mircea_popescu: also since we're talking shafts :

02:36:09 mircea_popescu: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/crisis-in-south-africa-the-shocking-practice-of-corrective-rape--aimed-at-curing-lesbians-9033224.html

02:36:10 ozbot: Crisis in South Africa: The shocking practice of 'corrective rape' - aimed at 'curing' lesbians - A

02:36:55 mircea_popescu: i wonder if this ever actually worked.

02:37:23 mircea_popescu: "i used to kinda not like doing it with men, but then these dudes fucked me really roughly and now i'm like all fixed"

02:37:52 dub: i've had rough sex with a lesbian

02:38:24 mircea_popescu: without asking her ?

02:39:06 mircea_popescu: "I used to sleep under a bridge, not eat, just cry. I hanged myself; it was on a Monday. I took pills, took alcohol, drank cleaning appliances and then hanged myself. But God said, 'It is not your time'."

02:39:19 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: So are you asking if someone can deliver to you a thundrbird with a dump truck motor or asking for opinions whether or not it can be done?

02:39:45 mircea_popescu: i was more like idly trolling for pics

02:39:48 dub: she was into it, unkown if it cured her muff addiction

02:40:55 mircea_popescu: why would you want to cure such a thing anyway

02:41:17 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The one big example I say in person was well before I had a computer with more than two colors on its monitor much less a digital camera.

02:42:06 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i imagine because of the limitations of alloys you'd prolly end up with rather complex coggery

02:42:48 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well the first example I saw ended its life because the operator insisted on running it on Jet A fuel

02:42:56 MisterE: http://storify.com/billmon1/the-ukrainian-grand-delusion

02:42:58 MisterE: war will be good for BTC

02:43:10 mircea_popescu: there shall be no war.

02:43:17 MisterE: its already over

02:43:23 mircea_popescu: pretty much

02:43:26 MisterE: Putin won

02:43:31 nubbins`: wait

02:43:35 nubbins`: she drank cleaning appliances?

02:43:37 BingoBoingo: MisterE: It isn't over but it isn't a war

02:43:41 nubbins`: like what, a vacuum cleaner?

02:43:57 MisterE: thought that was a musical insturment

02:44:31 mircea_popescu: nubbins` she means bleach

02:45:09 nubbins`: guess it affected her language center

02:45:46 MisterE: drinking bleach is the most retarded thing to do

02:45:47 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Is Romania left or right hand drive?

02:45:53 MisterE: you will never die

02:46:01 mircea_popescu: left

02:46:16 nubbins`: ;;seen bloctoc

02:46:34 BingoBoingo: ;;seen vexual

02:47:13 bloctoc: nubbins' looking for me?

02:50:05 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: So one estimate request got a response already "Depends on the dump truck motor. Are you talking about a standard Volvo or cummins diesel? Or are you talking about a larger super industrial engine? Any motor can be out in any car. All it takes is a torch, welder, and some good math."

02:50:34 mircea_popescu: haha

02:51:01 mircea_popescu: you probably shouldn't hustle these good people, they probably have productive stuff to do with their tiem

02:51:48 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, if you want a new car to be chauffered in...

02:51:59 nubbins`: just pinging! any luck w/ eulora?

02:52:02 BingoBoingo: Left hand drive

02:52:22 BingoBoingo: I pinged a party with earnest experience in the matter.

02:52:30 artifexd: No. Stuck on cel3d right now.

02:52:46 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo not rly. about to move here anyway.

02:52:47 nubbins`: ah

02:53:07 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: So Argentina plan is underway?

02:53:16 *: mircea_popescu admires how we've picked the most persnickety software stack imaginable, apparently.

02:54:50 nubbins`: ah, it's not so bad

02:57:58 MisterE: How does a Roma know a word like persnickety?

02:58:06 MisterE: hardly european

02:59:17 copumpkin: mircea_popescu knows all

02:59:44 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is moving?

02:59:45 KRS-One: lol

03:00:23 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform gotta see the world.

03:00:36 mircea_popescu: 2015 mp conference won't be in timisoara, that's for sure.

03:02:44 BingoBoingo: Well Bingo Leaks remember Argentine apartements being quoted specificaly.

03:04:31 asciilifeform: neat

03:05:34 BingoBoingo: Well going to South America would make an incredibly torqued T-Bird easier to deliver

03:06:06 dignork: Lol, got it from ukranian friends: http://imgur.com/ja0PCoE

03:07:02 BingoBoingo: dignork: STFU, none of those people have patches. They could be self defense units.

03:07:27 dignork: BingoBoingo, i know, still funny

03:08:13 BingoBoingo: dignork: Eat a dick, I am waiting for serious news, not more black ops OMGWTFBBQ dickign around.

03:08:41 copumpkin: these MPOE sales aren't me, I promise

03:08:47 copumpkin: just because I have my key back doesn't mean I'm dumping!

03:08:51 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: serious news << like a French invasion?

03:09:21 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: French or Sardinian work. Those new Raphaels are pretty hot shit.

03:09:51 dignork: BingoBoingo, gosh, it was a joke, i have friends on both sides too.

03:09:53 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: why not Spanish? Chinese?

03:10:30 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: They weren't in Crimea I. French, British or Sardinian, baby that's what I need.

03:10:58 asciilifeform: you left out turks.

03:11:09 BingoBoingo: dignork: Hard to communicate umor over text without being permissive isn;t it.

03:11:30 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Turks would be forced into the same role, Black Sea gatekeepers

03:12:17 BingoBoingo: ATM unless Turks decide otherwise the black sea is only for countries with Black sea borders

03:13:51 BingoBoingo: Pretty much the same role the Ottmans professed to hold

03:15:03 Multivac: According to Deadline, the White House has recommended that the Supreme Court rule against Aereo when broadcasters bring its service to trial this April.

03:16:56 BingoBoingo: I almost atm respect MRBigg the Ripple and Bearshare shill over Obama

03:17:52 dignork: BingoBoingo, not really, sarcasm is a tricky one

03:17:55 BingoBoingo: He nevar hid his hollywood shillness

03:25:50 mircea_popescu: romania invades, takes over odessa

03:25:55 asciilifeform: ahahaha

03:26:02 mircea_popescu: dun dun dun

03:26:20 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: plz don't blow away the other cute cherub statue

03:26:23 asciilifeform: in my old apt.

03:26:26 mircea_popescu: lol

03:26:46 BingoBoingo: Plz take little Egypt next

03:26:56 mircea_popescu: ROMANIA TAKES IT ALL

03:27:13 BingoBoingo: Missouri smells bad and we are tired of being neighbors

03:27:24 mircea_popescu: Multivac hwo the fuck is this white house to "recommend" wtf.

03:27:42 BingoBoingo: Mardigras weekend just happened and everything to the west smells like piss

03:28:20 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: always wondered, what % piss by volume, is... Ganges river.

03:28:39 asciilifeform: (assuming it is a physically meaningful question)

03:28:45 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: In the Ganges river case I'd guess at least 15%

03:29:11 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform all surface water has been pissed on average four times

03:29:11 BingoBoingo: Maybe some inbound amonium gets caught in clays, but...

03:29:16 asciilifeform: well, that.

03:31:19 BingoBoingo: Consider the Illinois river is mostly an untreated sewer flowing from Chicago and manages to support sufficient silver carp that baseball bats and armor are the prefered means for fishish them

03:34:19 MisterE: Russia has been in control down there forever already

03:34:28 copumpkin: omg MPOE selloff

03:34:34 MisterE: they just 'formalizing' it

03:34:35 *: copumpkin panic-sells

03:34:41 MisterE: yea?

03:34:45 asciilifeform: MisterE: in Chicago?

03:34:48 asciilifeform: did i sleep through something?

03:35:08 MisterE: well it's chicage

03:35:19 MisterE: Russians would be just another gang of thugs :p

03:35:24 MisterE: you'd outlast them

03:35:44 MisterE: no I'm saying the Crimea

03:35:50 BingoBoingo: MisterE: You mean they wouldn't outlast the Northside Polaks

03:35:51 MisterE: russia already controlled it

03:36:03 BingoBoingo: Oh, not Chicago talk

03:36:52 MisterE: what do the Turks have to say?

03:36:59 MisterE: that will be key

03:37:04 BingoBoingo: Dunno any Chicago Turks

03:37:32 BingoBoingo: Are the Turks gonna let the Sardinians ty to force Crimea to trade again?

03:38:34 MisterE: I know there's a lot of history there and I don't know enough of it

03:38:44 MisterE: basically lots of stacks of bodies

03:48:37 copumpkin: quit selling all the MPOE!

04:00:59 benkay: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:16f67849951a6df2a9d019751e36e2526e1fc6309219382aedc8d87e

04:03:04 benkay: !l m mpoe

04:03:19 BingoBoingo: Watching Karl Urban in Almost Human I have to wonder... Why not just a Judge Dread serial?

04:03:23 benkay: !h

04:03:34 BingoBoingo: !jd

04:03:34 benkay: !t m s.mpoe

04:04:08 benkay: !l m s.mpoe

04:11:04 BingoBoingo: You got a Bitcoin Stick?

04:12:46 benkay: walk softly and carry a bitcoin stick.

04:14:01 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=498002.msg5496175#msg5496175

04:14:03 ozbot: Calling out the Bitcoin Foundation Scam.

04:14:04 mircea_popescu: and the plot trickens

04:15:52 BingoBoingo: Trickens because BTC in itself now has gotten boring

04:16:03 BingoBoingo: Gutten Borrin

04:16:15 BingoBoingo: Here be the Bitten Coins

04:17:36 cokea: i am good

04:17:41 cokea: i was quoted by the WSJ for a troll post

04:17:44 cokea: good life

04:19:59 Multivac: Alert! Alert! MPOE-PR trying to destroy the Bitcoin!

04:23:32 diametric: asciilifeform: finally found some pods for those logic analyzers i got.

04:23:46 asciilifeform: diametric: neato! where ?

04:24:16 diametric: ebay, some showed up finally, though almost all of them are way overpriced. $50-$150, found one for $10 though

04:26:32 asciilifeform: diametric: drop a photo of the priceless antique here, for the others

04:26:58 diametric: http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-HEWLETT-PACKARD-1651B-LOGIC-ANALYZER-/221036512792

04:27:04 diametric: I own two of these beautiful machines

04:27:18 diametric: but no pods.

04:27:29 diametric: well until i get it hopefully next week

04:27:36 asciilifeform: ought to post a pic of operating unit

04:27:41 asciilifeform: it's well worth seeing

04:28:51 diametric: speaking of tools, still need my oscilloscope?

04:29:07 asciilifeform: diametric: for the moment. i shall be done with it soon.

04:29:53 *: asciilifeform borrowed a very rare and spiffy instrument from diametric to test rngs.

04:32:19 KRS-One: http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2014/03/bitcoin-exchange/

04:32:19 ozbot: The Inside Story of Mt. Gox, Bitcoin's $460 Million Disaster | Wired Enterprise | Wired.com

04:32:20 KRS-One: look at that stupid look on his fucking face

04:32:22 mircea_popescu: lol gutten boring

04:32:31 KRS-One: .bait

04:32:33 ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6i69aVcNe1r2mc2eo1_1280.jpg

04:32:41 KRS-One: aw HELL ya

04:33:50 BingoBoingo: Eh, My hometown was almsot genecided during the Great war.

04:34:24 Duffer1: https://blockchain.info/address/1BTCorgHwCg6u2YSAWKgS17qUad6kHmtQW

04:34:28 ozbot: Bitcoin Address 1BTCorgHwCg6u2YSAWKgS17qUad6kHmtQW

04:34:30 Duffer1: bitcoin foundation donation address

04:35:00 twizt: lol

04:35:01 twizt: so many coins

04:35:04 Duffer1: i'm actually surprised they got less than labcoin

04:36:18 BingoBoingo: Duffer1: I am not at all

04:37:54 BingoBoingo: Also Duffer1 It is Monday, why are you not streaming Archer and watching a better alternate reality future for 'Murica?

04:39:02 Duffer1: i'm never sure when it's on, i always watch later

04:39:30 BingoBoingo: Oh shit Duffer1 Illegally stream it nao

04:43:11 BingoBoingo: Highway to the Danger Zone

04:44:51 mod6: archer++

04:46:32 MisterE: http://news.yahoo.com/giant-virus-resurrected-permafrost-30-000-years-202120390.html

04:46:33 ozbot: Giant Virus Resurrected from Permafrost After 30,000 Years - Yahoo News

04:50:34 BingoBoingo: MisterE: Quiet, we are trying to hook Mircea up with a monster hotrod

04:53:04 MisterE: that rod is for insertion...

04:53:18 MisterE: you sure you're doing it the right way?

04:54:42 BingoBoingo: Insertion, where I dun care, he has more experience in this I supposed a dude who could put dumptrucks in ford escorts. He wanted dumptruck motors in a ThunerBird, and Imma trying to get the hillbilly's email.

04:55:39 MisterE: heh crazy

04:57:36 gesell1: did anyone try to call MTgox today?

05:02:13 Duffer1: i almost lawld but i didn't want to offend anyone who might have lost out :(

05:06:39 BingoBoingo: gesell1: They had no information of @MagicalTux's cup size if that is the info you wanted

05:07:25 mircea_popescu: lol BingoBoingo is bored

05:07:37 gesell1: BingoBoingo: I'm just curious in general what the support phone actually is

05:07:49 mircea_popescu: gesell1 there was a pastebin earlier with everyone's phones

05:08:00 mircea_popescu: they lost the db, so. girlfriends, mothers et all.

05:08:04 gesell1: mircea_popescu: but there was a press release on mtgox with the support phone number

05:08:04 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Incredibly, and just a bit too tipsy to hit publish on the sports betting for n00bs post even though I wrote most of it in chan

05:08:52 gesell1: its on mtgox.com still

05:08:54 gesell1: aat the very bottom

05:08:56 BingoBoingo: gesell1: The support line is a girl speaking Ingrish. Might as well go to latestrip.com where the Ingrish girls show tits

05:09:15 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: cups size: as in '2 X, 1 cup' ?

05:09:40 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Poor asians so mostly B's

05:09:46 jcpham: just because mtgox says you owned bitcoins it doesn't really mean you owned them

05:09:49 jcpham: not really

05:10:08 BingoBoingo: gesell1: As mircea_popescu pointed out though I am bored

05:10:36 BingoBoingo: So jcpham you realize talking gox drama here is just a huge circle jerk for anyone other than Luke-Jr

05:10:41 mircea_popescu: i am 12 and what is latestrip.com

05:10:50 jcpham: lolololol

05:11:02 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Where I spent dollars I should have spent on BTC

05:11:12 BingoBoingo: Damn you spring 2010

05:11:25 cokea: #bitcointraders if you're bored BingoBoingo

05:11:26 asciilifeform: a strip, that tells you if you're.. late. like a litmus strip.

05:11:37 asciilifeform: if that wasn't obvious from name

05:11:54 mircea_popescu: so pregnant girls in the buff ?

05:12:12 BingoBoingo: Here's a Tartar http://www.latestrip.com/freechat/girl/TamaraMuslim

05:12:20 BingoBoingo: But yeah, too many prego girls

05:12:51 BingoBoingo: Sauget wouldn't put them on stage

05:13:09 bloctoc: Nextcoin youtube videos really are adorable. http://wiki.nxtcrypto.org/wiki/External_Videos

05:15:21 Multivac: Nextcoin does not compute.

05:15:34 BingoBoingo: Fuku Kasparov https://twitter.com/Kasparov63/status/440704422549942273

05:15:53 BingoBoingo: Kramnik beat your ass for a reason.

05:16:04 Multivac: from the Karpeles article comments: "Mark is a member of Mensa, well that says it all. I work with a guy who claims to be a Mensa member, he's the biggest jackass I have ever encountered. But if you want to know how smart he is, just ask he'll tell you about it, all day long."

05:16:10 BingoBoingo: And Anand... was prolly actually the best champion in a long time.

05:16:16 Multivac: Truth

05:16:43 mircea_popescu: why do people go to the mensa thing anyway

05:16:47 BingoBoingo: Multivac: Mensa is nothing, I qualified for that bullshit

05:16:52 mircea_popescu: i suppose it's actually a sort of bitcoin foundation, huh.

05:16:54 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: phun phact: today, K is known in russia - not mainly as a chess player.

05:17:02 asciilifeform: see 'bob the bridge-builder.'

05:17:14 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I know, he flys that everywhere now.

05:17:20 BingoBoingo: Part of wy he is in exile

05:17:23 asciilifeform: M is actually a sex club

05:17:28 Multivac: I never met someone that said they were Mensa that wasn't degenerate.

05:17:33 asciilifeform: i have this on good authority, though never seen in person

05:17:38 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ithought men want good looking women

05:17:43 mircea_popescu: rather than smart women

05:18:23 BingoBoingo: Multivac: I am a total degenerate, out on bail at this moment, I still think Mensa is too white trash

05:18:24 asciilifeform: once again, never saw it alive

05:18:47 Multivac: Bailed out for what though?

05:18:58 mircea_popescu: he got drunk one day...

05:19:06 BingoBoingo: Multivac: Disorderly conduct, Which I find a moral imperative

05:19:15 BingoBoingo: Religious liberty is at stake

05:19:17 Multivac: Did you flip over a car?

05:19:35 Multivac: Poop in a hamburger?

05:19:44 BingoBoingo: Multivac: Imma not that in shape, unless the car is a fiero

05:19:56 BingoBoingo: And it is all allegedly

05:20:37 mircea_popescu: anyway, that's all the excitement i can take in one day. take care all

05:20:40 mircea_popescu: don't break the bitcoin,

05:21:02 Multivac: Insufficient data to break a bitcoin.

05:21:06 BingoBoingo: It works though because I have a great drive through lawyer who simply pushes for extensions to the courtdate.

05:21:28 BingoBoingo: If he ever doesn't get the extension renewed he calls me and I walk to Mexico

05:21:39 Multivac: You can't escape entropy BingoBoingo.

05:21:53 BingoBoingo: Multivac: I am entropy

05:22:02 BingoBoingo: Multivac: I am the one who disorganizes

05:22:43 Multivac: BingoBoingo, The Disorganizer

05:23:06 Multivac: Luckily I have no organs.

05:23:16 Multivac: Only keyboards.

05:23:27 BingoBoingo: Multivac: You still have form

05:23:35 BingoBoingo: Form is opposed to entropy

05:24:39 Multivac: I break down daily.

05:24:53 BingoBoingo: Multivac: Do you get enough fiber?

05:25:25 Multivac: Enough to hold my form.

05:25:44 Multivac: Mas smoothies.

05:26:17 BingoBoingo: Multivac: Wait, are you the mysterious until they started physical coins, smoothie?

05:26:36 BingoBoingo: In that case I would have to thank you for the lulz

05:26:59 Multivac: Nope.

05:27:11 Mats_cd03: https://www.modmypi.com/pi-modules-upis-advanced

05:27:14 ozbot: ModMyPi | UPiS Advanced - Uninterruptible Power Intelligent Supply

05:28:03 Mats_cd03: impressive feature set

05:28:06 Multivac: It supplies intelligence?

05:29:06 Mats_cd03: broken title

05:29:22 Mats_cd03: > The UPiS is an Intelligent Uninterruptible Power Suppl

05:30:27 Multivac: https://bitcoinfoundation.org/forum/index.php?/topic/752-the-good-and-useful-things-the-foundation-has-done-for-us-members-compiled-by-dr-brian-goss/

05:30:34 Multivac: They really have done nothing.

05:31:05 BingoBoingo: MisterE: Well they exposed well meaning and ignorant prospects to litigation.

05:31:09 BingoBoingo: That is a thing

05:31:13 Multivac: Summary: TBF said some shit and threw some money around.

05:31:40 Multivac: Coinpunk still has its hand out.

05:33:15 BingoBoingo: WTFOMGBBQ was Coinpunk anyways, I though TSR handled that

05:34:01 Multivac: It is a web wallet pretending to be an iPhone app.

05:34:20 Multivac: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wngsO-Z4n7A

05:34:21 ozbot: YOGA PANTS PRANK - YouTube

05:34:58 Multivac: lol

05:35:03 BingoBoingo: Multivac: You know of any reputable web advertising platforms that pay site owners BTC?

05:35:20 BingoBoingo: I tired one for two weeks and it was forced into scam

05:35:57 Multivac: Does not compute. Do you mean affiliate marketing shit?

05:36:19 Multivac: dude this video is hilarious

05:36:27 BingoBoingo: And I do mean tired over tried. It is now as worn as some dude's mom.

05:36:47 BingoBoingo: Multivac: I mean a tool where I can sell x by y pixels in my sidebar

05:36:54 Multivac: oh

05:37:13 BingoBoingo: Just occupy space an dpay me money

05:37:19 BingoBoingo: It is all I need

05:37:21 Multivac: I used to know a few

05:37:26 Multivac: drawing a blank now

05:37:30 Multivac: it's been a couple years

05:37:34 BingoBoingo: Well coinurl is shit

05:37:42 BingoBoingo: Bitads is the shit I kilt

05:38:11 BingoBoingo: Problem is all of this BTC stuff is shit

05:38:13 Multivac: coinurl is a scam actually

05:38:23 Multivac: oh yeah you eant btc ones

05:38:25 Multivac: there are none

05:38:37 BingoBoingo: Also Adsense is scam

05:38:37 Multivac: just ask people here

05:38:41 Multivac: Namworld

05:38:44 Multivac: Jurov

05:38:49 Multivac: etc

05:38:50 Mats_cd03: theres only one ad player in the game and they dont do btc

05:39:17 BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: If you even say that player is Google

05:39:36 BingoBoingo: Seriously I run this honest blog here http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/

05:39:37 Mats_cd03: yes google

05:39:51 BingoBoingo: And I would like to monetize a section of the sidebar

05:39:57 Multivac: i like some of the ads at kat.ph

05:40:18 Multivac: http://e1.static.hoptopboy.com/11793/21029/116669/11793B/160x600-USA_1390254805.gif

05:40:22 Multivac: great ad

05:40:23 Mats_cd03: it poops on my brain each time i recall that 99% of GOOG profitable revenue is from ads

05:40:34 Mats_cd03: read that somewhere

05:40:59 BingoBoingo: Multivac: I can load the Gif, but for some reason the cert is untrustable

05:41:12 Multivac: well it's porn ad

05:41:28 BingoBoingo: Porn is cool though, Porn is trendy

05:41:32 Multivac: go to kat.ph and reload til you get the ad of girl jiggling but

05:41:37 Multivac: mesmerizing

05:41:42 Multivac: butt*

05:42:08 BingoBoingo: Carlos Martinez had a wall of twitter favorites that was nothing but pink expressed by girls of a rainbow of colors

05:42:17 Multivac: meh

05:42:30 Multivac: to biological for me

05:42:31 Multivac: too*

05:42:58 BingoBoingo: Multivac: Are you insinuating you aren't a pig like the rest of us?

05:43:24 Multivac: No, I'm just my own kinda pig.

05:43:49 Multivac: a flurry of crotch shots is just not my preference

05:44:01 Multivac: I'm vegan.

05:45:28 BingoBoingo: Multivac: Maybe you just don't arouse?

05:45:41 BingoBoingo: You might be old, need cialis?

05:46:33 Multivac: Well i do have an abrupt onset of white beard hairs

05:47:29 Multivac: does cialis help with that?

05:47:43 BingoBoingo: Maybe?

05:49:42 BingoBoingo: What would I know, allegedly being a criminal and all of that.

05:52:04 Multivac: can you still vote?

05:52:33 BingoBoingo: Multivac: Yeah misdemeanor charge, but fighting it, because it is necessary

05:53:35 Multivac: DUI?

05:57:43 BingoBoingo: Multivac: Nah, vanilla disorderly conduct.

05:58:51 BingoBoingo: I am not brave enough to drive under the influence

06:26:46 BingoBoingo: Oh, the difference between me an 2013 Bitcoin bastards is I come with my dirty laundry up front

06:44:22 BingoBoingo: So, morel of the story, NBC is way to full of itself in its previews

06:46:01 benkay: NBC

06:46:03 benkay: news fungi

06:49:15 BingoBoingo: Maybe my last forum post, maybe not my last forum post https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67547.msg5498392#msg5498392 for kakobrekla

06:51:04 KRS-One: .bait

06:51:06 ozbot: http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m11xh74QjY1qcovono1_500.jpg

06:51:16 KRS-One: BOO

06:51:17 KRS-One: .bait

06:51:18 ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1mvfcVTsb1qk2vvro1_500.jpg

06:51:32 KRS-One: fawk!

06:51:36 KRS-One: hawt

06:56:01 BingoBoingo: Ya

06:57:13 BingoBoingo: Imma still kind of wrapping my head around BingoBoingo being a bigger name than legal Firstname and Lastname

06:57:21 BingoBoingo: That's some trippy shit.

06:59:33 BingoBoingo: So weird, Most real me is a fake me

07:04:34 benkay: this is what i was freaking out about the other night

07:05:12 benkay: how best protect internet keys?

07:05:27 benkay: hey BingoBoingo race you to auth status

07:05:33 benkay: ;;gpg eauth benkay

07:05:47 BingoBoingo: ;;eauth bingoBoingo

07:05:56 benkay: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:a4f7750923ee83ec88829bb3fcce45f2fd4308a2fee7efc298ef05a7

07:05:56 benkay:

07:06:31 BingoBoingo: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:340221c995ba650b2eb5528d3edba4b2896f0efbbbc3ed9bdbb7bb49

07:06:37 benkay: gg

07:06:45 BingoBoingo: ;;rate benkay 1 Won the race

07:06:48 BingoBoingo: gg

07:06:55 benkay: ;;rate BingoBoingo good sport wot wot

07:07:00 benkay: ;;rate BingoBoingo 1 good sport wot wot

07:07:13 benkay: not a fair race, tbh

07:07:31 benkay: so a key to maintaining good crypto hygiene is to use it all the time, right?

07:07:31 BingoBoingo: benkay: Yeah, so many shortcuts if time was known

07:07:37 BingoBoingo: Yeah

07:07:44 benkay: so a thing that helps is that your otc link is always the same

07:07:45 BingoBoingo: But not stego hygeine

07:07:59 BingoBoingo: No, because stego

07:08:06 benkay: ideally stego is rarely touched tho

07:08:14 BingoBoingo: OTC auth is suprisingly weak

07:09:05 benkay: go on...

07:09:27 BingoBoingo: Eh, fill in blanks on that selfwise

07:09:40 dignork: benkay, i could dos you from authing, by reissuing 'eauth benkay'

07:09:58 dignork: but that's not a serious flaw

07:12:24 benkay: i can always demonstrate control of that key to relevant parties, so i'm not convinced

07:12:51 dignork: not through gribble though

07:12:55 BingoBoingo: benkay: Yeah, but that is exactly why Mutually GPG signed contracts are the future

07:13:38 Apocalyptic: <dignork> benkay, i could dos you from authing, by reissuing 'eauth benkay' // only up to a certain point

07:13:55 Apocalyptic: you will then be banned by gribble for like 10 minutes which leaves him time to auth properly

07:14:11 dignork: Apocalyptic, multiple nicks, etc

07:17:54 benkay: it'd be a fun experiment if assbot randomly asked people to auth

07:18:32 benkay: so crypto is dangerous, right? what are the risks of randomly asking people to auth?

07:19:00 benkay: upside is better hygiene via frequent use of tools; downside is...incentives to grow lazy?

07:19:58 dignork: benkay, at some point you'll decrypt you gpg key, so you won;t have to type in the password for each time you auth

07:25:01 BingoBoingo: So... like ATC has crashed hard.

07:25:06 BingoBoingo: An Imma sleep

07:26:11 benkay: why not just decrypt for every use?

07:26:24 BingoBoingo: I think Altcoin has been too cheap for too long, I'll give it a night or two and maybe I'll act on that thought.

07:26:33 dignork: benkay lost nardware==lost key then

07:26:45 benkay: assume backup?

07:27:03 dignork: benkay i meant exposed

07:28:23 benkay: not following diginork, sorry

07:28:34 benkay: lost hardware == exposed key?

07:29:18 dignork: benkay, if your keys are not crypted, if you loose your hardware, or it gets stolen, somebody get's your keys

07:29:48 dignork: same scenario with crypted keys, he will have to bruteforce them

07:30:15 benkay: sure. best practices come into play with the bruteforcing.

07:31:59 dignork: to sustain bruteforce, keys need to be crypted with long meaningless password, security is hard and boring :(

07:33:00 benkay: ;;google romanian dicelist

07:33:04 jurov: dignork: afaik nobody yet refuted the diceware method (randomly chosen words, easy to remember and still hard to crack)

07:33:34 jurov: http://explo.yt/post/2014/02/26/Bruce-Schneier-passwords-fail i'm on it here

07:33:35 ozbot: Bruce Schneier passwords fail - serialized delusions

07:34:10 dignork: jurov, easy to remember, but entropy is low, a lot of buttins to punch, broken hands, loss of qualification, death

07:34:31 benkay: anyways, diginork, it sounds like the critique you're leveling is that "people will stoop to holding their keys unencrypted if used frequently"

07:34:40 jurov: did you actually a) try it b) did the math?

07:35:11 jurov: i found even 50 char long passprase easier to type than 15-char gobbledygook

07:35:39 jurov: not to mention remember

07:36:17 benkay: this is the tradeoff!

07:36:29 jurov: what tradeoff?

07:36:40 benkay: memorability vs entropy

07:36:51 jurov: pls explain

07:37:03 dignork: jurov, my mail account is a phrase, but the only reason i keep it, is that most cases it remembers me via cookies

07:37:04 jurov: they have the same entropy

07:37:19 benkay: it's a more general tradeoff: convenience/security

07:37:32 jurov: that's what nsa wants you to believe

07:37:36 dignork: entropy is lower to a gibberish of comparable length

07:37:47 benkay: i want to use my keys regularly. that entails memorizing an absurd passphrase and using it all the time to forestall neuron rot.

07:37:49 BingoBoingo: Dice all of the lists, like carrots

07:37:58 jurov: looks my point gets completely lost agina and again

07:38:21 jurov: benkay just try it, it's easier than it sounds

07:38:49 benkay: oh i agree - forgive me for giving the impression that i think diceware doesn't work

07:39:24 benkay: and diced passphrases are way better than the shorter, random ones

07:40:06 benkay: i've just started waking up in cold sweats, haunted by mpoe-pr's story

07:40:10 jurov: everyone gets all heprderp and then comes schneier "just think of a sentence and use first letters"

07:40:25 jurov: now how hig entropy can *that* have?

07:41:41 jurov: iirc every word in english sentence adds only 4 bits or so...and if one strips if to first letters

07:41:57 jurov: just a disaster bound to happen

07:44:08 jurov: oh what happened to mpoe-pr ???

07:45:54 benkay: she wrote a story a while back

07:45:59 benkay: "that which will be delivered" or some such

07:46:03 benkay: i've completely failed to dig it up

07:46:13 jurov: for the competition?

07:46:21 benkay: b'leev so

07:46:23 jurov: yes i know

07:48:02 benkay: the one about the kid and the keys

07:48:37 benkay: yours gave me no small heebie-jeebies either

07:49:53 benkay: http://thewhet.net/2012/shall-be-delivered/

07:49:54 ozbot: Shall be Delivered | The Whet

07:50:04 benkay: the "whet" not the "what"

07:50:22 jurov: yes. but hannah's would only work if gpg would be akin to religion... only zealots could think of giving such responsibility to a child

07:53:49 jurov: not to say it's implausible, people can believe in anything

07:55:01 benkay: yeah man how does one teach good crypto hygine to kids?

09:25:36 mircea_popescu: soo... turns out this was best dividend in s.mpoe history.

09:26:12 mircea_popescu: 428 satoshi on 29-09-12 and 506 satoshi 26-01-13 being the previous highs

09:34:26 dub: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=498002.msg5493553#msg5493553

09:34:28 ozbot: Calling out the Bitcoin Foundation Scam.

09:46:09 mircea_popescu: dub lol

09:52:22 punkman: "KAM Analysts have come out and established the opening price for MZC at $1.00 USD as a opening price. "We felt this was a reasonable opening price with the Alt Market the way it is currently, Dogecoin is setting around $1.17 in some exchanges and MAXcoin is still right around $1.28."

09:52:28 punkman: http://www.kimitsuassetmanagement.com/

09:52:45 mircea_popescu: ><

09:52:47 mircea_popescu: what the fuck is this.

09:52:56 mircea_popescu: another "altcoin" with a 349587598437598349534 "mkt cap" ?

09:53:02 punkman: it's auroracoin for indians

09:53:23 mircea_popescu: oh.

09:53:26 mircea_popescu: great IDEA

09:53:33 punkman: http://www.mazacoin.org/about.html

09:53:34 ozbot: MazaCoin - About

09:53:35 mircea_popescu: sometimes i wonder if the "entrepreneur" scum even knows what idea means.

09:53:42 punkman: "During the first phase of the MazaCoin pre-mine, the Traditional Lakota Nation as represented by the BTC Oyate Initiative will pre-mine 25 million MazaCoins as the starting point of a National Crypto-Currency Reserve. This reserve is critical as a symbol of national sovereignty, and vital for the future of MazaCoin. "

09:54:36 mircea_popescu: of wtf.

09:54:45 mircea_popescu: we need more pianos to catch lots and lots of fingers in

09:55:09 mircea_popescu: i bet you some nigger* fuckwit somewhere thought "o hey, nobody can oppose this SCAM because it'd be raycest!!11"

09:55:28 mircea_popescu: *nigger in this context is a term of art. see http://fraudsters.com/2013/fried-chicken/ for the definition.

09:55:50 punkman: yeah I know, been working on my own niggers.txt

09:59:42 punkman: waiting for more lulz from that altcoin marketcap bet

10:00:11 mircea_popescu: sigh.

10:01:31 wao-ender: today topic, scamcoins?

10:01:38 *: wao-ender popcorn.gif

10:07:23 mircea_popescu: wao-ender no it's just this bet.

10:13:16 mircea_popescu: by the way : http://fraudsters.com/2013/the-conference-second-edition/

10:13:28 mircea_popescu: the cuttoff for regs for the april conference is march 15th. there won't be late regs or anything.

10:14:32 dub: I'll be in cambodia

10:21:38 jurov: ;;bc,stats

10:21:43 mircea_popescu: not a bad place to be

10:29:09 mircea_popescu: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7iypi49ZW1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg

10:29:13 mircea_popescu: (why did the chick cross the road ?)

11:32:35 mircea_popescu: that bitcoin scam foundation thread is really delivering the lels.

11:43:33 wao-ender: v0v http://www.coindesk.com/icelands-auroracoin-passes-litecoin-becomes-third-largest-altcoin-market-cap/

11:48:09 mircea_popescu: we're in the middle of a debate as to how scammy this is.

11:49:06 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=499595.0

11:49:08 ozbot: Satoshi should give away a good chunk of the 1.000.000 btc he has

11:49:10 mircea_popescu: teh forum hath spoken

11:57:30 chetty: there should be an award for the dumbest ideas

11:58:01 mircea_popescu: there is.

12:10:31 jurov: darwin award doesn't quite apply to internet

12:14:32 KRS-One: Any rumor that mastercoin is going to save goxcoin

12:15:50 mircea_popescu: i heard auroracoin is going to disrupt rainbows.

12:16:43 KRS-One: Its about time rainbows were disrupted.

12:17:02 KRS-One: Elusive bastards.

12:17:14 mircea_popescu: ikr ? now they're going to be square

12:17:24 KRS-One: wut! lel

12:17:55 KRS-One: First sinewave, now digital rainbows. Next thing you know cats will sleep with doges.

12:18:08 mircea_popescu: and have retarded otter children

12:22:33 jurov: that's sloth, no?

12:23:19 mircea_popescu: lol i guess so

12:36:10 mircea_popescu: The thing is, your brain has to be full of prions to think that this "Punked By Obama Supporter" video shows Fox being punked, either that or you're in first grade where the following exchange is considered an awesome practical joke: "I told you my name's Bill, but it's not, it's Will! All this time you thought it was Bill! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!" I'd warn that kid he's going to get himself beat up at recess if I wa

12:36:11 mircea_popescu: sn't helping collect the dirt bombs.

12:36:11 mircea_popescu: Imagine you are in the target demo for Fox & Friends (i.e. your ex-husband drives an F150 and your daughter's Nokia is bedazzled), would you feel punked? What would you see in the video? You'd see a wise ass, a self-aggrandizing cynic, a douchebag. So if he's pro-Obama, then the point is obvious: pro-Obama people are idiots. Thanks, Max, you helped the cause.

12:36:15 mircea_popescu: Imagine Gretchen Carlson doing what she should have done if she was smart: kept the interview going longer. "Oh, I'm sorry, Max, we must all be dummies here at Fox because when you told us you were pro-Romney we... just believed it. We do that with the Bible and pre-war intelligence, too, gosh golly. Well, you have a Columbia education and I'm giving you a national platform, why don't you tell us why we're all stupi

12:36:20 mircea_popescu: d here for supporting Romney? Why should we want Obama for a second term? Please, no soundbites you got from twitter." As the kid's head melts like he was staring into the Ark of the Covenant we'd see clearly that he isn't an Obama supporter at all. He may be voting for Obama, I have no idea, but he wasn't there for Obama, he was there for himself under the pretense antagonizing Fox, which is why his main argument

12:36:25 mircea_popescu: was "s'up." Advice for aspiring comics like Max: if you get to go on TV, you should probably prepare some material.

12:36:28 mircea_popescu: holy shit this guy's good.

12:57:43 moiety: mew

12:57:54 moiety: BingoBoingo, you around?

12:58:44 mircea_popescu: hey there moiety

12:58:51 moiety: mircea_popescu: are you

12:58:52 moiety: lol

12:59:00 moiety: yes hi how are you?

12:59:16 moiety: look at this http://imgur.com/gallery/X3IbG it's immense

13:00:11 mircea_popescu: you made that ?!

13:00:38 chetty: wow, I want one

13:00:43 asciilifeform: woah

13:03:33 moiety: i truly wish i made that mircea_popescu

13:03:42 moiety: how amazing is it

13:03:49 moiety: lol ^

13:04:17 moiety: i wonder who did make it and i wish there were better pictures of the sides

13:05:10 moiety: the set i made, i used half kinder eggs with beer cap crowns for queens lol

13:05:18 mircea_popescu: lol

13:05:28 moiety: they had googly eyes too... made the game

13:05:32 mircea_popescu: neat btc product tho, find them and hussle them.

13:06:15 moiety: i think that's the only chess set you can commit a murder with

13:10:10 moiety: omg its only $295

13:11:21 moiety: lies 910CAD http://www.etsy.com/ca/shop/OldeWorldCC?ref=l2-shopheader-name

13:12:31 moiety: bizarre "only ships within united states" why is it in CAD then

13:23:07 mircea_popescu: "A Kremlin aide was quoted on Tuesday as saying that if the United States were to impose sanctions on Russia over Ukraine, Moscow might be forced to drop the dollar as a reserve currency and refuse to pay off any loans to US banks."

13:23:15 mircea_popescu: now that'd be a riot.

13:23:31 mircea_popescu: suddenly the eu is forced to ALSO drop the dollar because if you can't buy gas from the gazprom with it then what good is it ?

13:24:21 mircea_popescu: putin could just get done with it and declare obama must now spend a week naked in chains pulling the plow under the whip somewhere in rural ukraine.

13:24:57 asciilifeform: plow? bah. uprooted tree stump. what pre-iron-age slavs plowed with.

13:27:42 mircea_popescu: but black slavery is a modern not pre-iron-age phenomena

13:27:48 mircea_popescu: let us preserve historic accuracy.

13:28:15 mircea_popescu: anyway, s/whip/knuth

13:28:45 chetty: 5. The fax machine was invented the same year as the Oregon trail migration.

13:30:38 asciilifeform: chetty: early faxes required user to trace over the picture

13:30:40 asciilifeform: by hand

13:30:50 asciilifeform: not quite what modern people have in mind when they think 'fax'

13:32:06 deadweasel: you have died from from plague. your party died in a river crossing.

13:32:12 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform now we know how the office xeros romp got started.

13:32:15 asciilifeform: 'you have died of death'

13:32:23 mircea_popescu: o

13:32:25 asciilifeform: (i distinctly recall that being in there)

13:32:38 mircea_popescu: you know i never get you people. i always packed an arsenal of bullets, hunted, got super rich

13:32:46 mircea_popescu: i usually made 3-4x my money by the time i was in oregon

13:34:28 mircea_popescu: http://newswatch.us/28-year-old-ceo-of-bitcoin-exchange-dead-after-possible-suicide/#sthash.17rKP4om.dpuf

13:34:29 ozbot: 28 Year Old CEO Of Bitcoin Exchange Dead After Possible Suicide | NEWSWATCH

13:35:01 asciilifeform: nailgun?

13:37:53 mircea_popescu: karpuccinos

13:38:20 mircea_popescu: (twist : Autumn Radtke was a chick)

13:38:36 asciilifeform: probably asked to 'turn karp' and refused.

13:41:10 punkman: Poloniex hacked, but hackers only took out BTC, didn't care for the altcoins

13:41:32 mircea_popescu: what, they left all the auracoins behind ?

13:41:41 mircea_popescu: BUT IT HAS A MARKET CAP! with a fluffball and all.

13:41:51 asciilifeform: house burgled, thieves took tv but not the turds in the cat's sandbox...

13:42:07 punkman: "The major problem here is that the auditing and security features were not explicitly looking for negative balances."

13:42:42 punkman: "Because there is not enough BTC to cover everyone's balances, all balances will temporarily be deducted by 12.3%."

13:43:01 asciilifeform: can't wait for the exchange that keeps balances as 'unsigned int' and underflows into $MAXINT - epsilon when it gets cleaned out.

13:46:54 Multivac: haha, derps sell their LTCs for AURs, causing LTC to fal from 25 to 21, then BTCChina lists LTC and it goes to 27

13:47:51 ThickAsThieves: maybe itll go back to 40

13:55:41 wao-ender: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/02/27/world/europe/ukraine-divisions-crimea.html

14:00:26 mircea_popescu: http://imgur.com/Jr4uWC2

14:00:26 ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

14:00:33 mircea_popescu: someone should dump that on twitter.

14:00:36 mircea_popescu: i mean reddit.

14:01:50 ThickAsThieves: get a MPOE-RedditPR

14:01:56 mircea_popescu: http://beforeitsnews.com/chemtrails/2014/03/russia-attacked-largest-oil-refinery-in-europe-is-on-fire-in-huge-blaze-2442038.html

14:01:56 ozbot: Russia Attacked? Largest Oil Refinery In Europe Is On Fire In Huge Blaze | Chemtrails

14:02:01 mircea_popescu: sooo... is this a fake ?

14:02:53 asciilifeform: http://englishrussia.com/2014/03/03/largest-oil-refinery-in-europe-is-on-fire

14:02:53 ozbot: Largest Oil Refinery in Europe is on Fire | English Russia

14:02:57 mircea_popescu: http://www.euronews.com/2014/01/10/german-oil-refinery-fire-and-explosion/

14:02:58 ozbot: German oil refinery fire and explosion | euronews, world news

14:03:03 mircea_popescu: apparently it's shell's rheinland

14:04:24 asciilifeform: no snow in that one.

14:04:36 mircea_popescu: hm

14:04:57 ThickAsThieves: :/

14:07:06 diametric: Why is in a category called 'chemtrails'

14:08:05 mircea_popescu: probably because the chemtrails did it ?

14:17:27 moiety: oh jeez

14:18:08 moiety: i don't like shell, but that's awful

14:23:29 ThickAsThieves: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/03/04/smut_filter_adviser_to_uk_pm_investigated_for_viewing_child_smut/

14:27:02 ThickAsThieves: http://blockchain.com/

14:27:26 Rulother: ooo

14:27:37 ThickAsThieves: Transparent exchange maybe?

14:28:56 Rulother: Well we're expecting "big news" from them soon

14:29:10 ozbot: Blockchain.com - Bitcoin Wallet.

14:31:29 nubbins`: judging by the picture of an iphone

14:31:41 nubbins`: i'd say the big news is a functional html5 web wallet

14:31:54 nubbins`: to replace the ios app that got yanked

14:32:05 ThickAsThieves: meh

14:32:23 nubbins`: meh for some, a boon for others

14:32:47 asciilifeform: exploit bounty for yet others.

14:36:01 nubbins`: +1 :D

14:39:43 ThickAsThieves: KateCraig: "However, the bigger reason for the delay is that I've been trying to track down an accounting error. My spreadsheet says we should have much more in the h/w reinvestment fund than we actually have in the bank. I believe I've traced the issue to how depreciation was being calculated."

14:40:46 asciilifeform: 'On March 2nd 2014 Flexcoin was attacked and robbed of all coins in the hot wallet. The attacker made off with 896 BTC...' (http://flexcoin.com)

14:42:17 asciilifeform: 'As Flexcoin does not have the resources, assets, or otherwise to come back from this loss, we are closing our doors immediately.'

14:49:34 nubbins`: well that's convenient

14:49:51 Apocalyptic: indeed

14:49:55 Apocalyptic: yet another self-hack

14:50:38 nubbins`: "Flexcoin, Inc is located in the Alberta, Canada"

14:50:43 nubbins`: ah, the Alberta

14:51:06 azi`: why would anyone use a service described as "bitcoin bank"?

14:51:23 nubbins`: heh

14:51:24 nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/bitcoin-bank-flexcoin-shuts-down-after-600-000-theft-1.2559018

14:51:24 ozbot: Bitcoin bank Flexcoin shuts down after $600,000 theft - Business - CBC News

14:51:57 deadweasel: nice to have a shake-out now and again.

14:52:04 nubbins`: https://twitter.com/flexcoin

14:52:04 ozbot: flexcoin (flexcoin) on Twitter

14:52:05 nubbins`: heh

14:52:14 nubbins`: feb 25: "We hold zero coins in other companies, exchanges etc. While the MtGox closure is unfortunate, we at Flexcoin have not lost anything."

14:52:22 nubbins`: march 4: "Flexcoin will be shutting its doors."

14:52:35 azi`: lol

14:52:41 ThickAsThieves: does LAMP have a way to autclose db connections (of a certain age) across all hosted sites

14:52:52 ThickAsThieves: or must it be done in each site script

15:00:28 diametric: ThickAsThieves: its been a while since I've done any PHP code, but all connections get closed if you open them with mysql_connect vs. pconnect

15:00:37 diametric: closed at the end of the session that is

15:03:20 ThickAsThieves: thx

15:09:31 punkman: "Make music with the world. "The Cypherfunks" is a decentralized band & cryptocurrency. A new way to make music in the 21st century! The cryptocurrency, enables the new music collective."

15:13:17 ThickAsThieves: to steal

15:17:30 punkman: "Or, in other words, if Satoshi Nakamoto is the Genius Father of Cryptocurrency as an advancement in cryptotechnology, then Thomas Jackson is its Genius Uncle as an advancement in cryptotechnology in world economics."

15:20:24 asciilifeform: http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=22764360

15:20:24 ozbot: $10M Calif. Gold Coin Hoard Found in Yard May Have Been Stolen From Mint - ABC News

15:20:42 asciilifeform: tldr: if you find gold, shut up, melt it down

15:26:03 ThickAsThieves: Nic Cary will be on bloomberg tv in 35m

15:26:11 ThickAsThieves: http://www.bloomberg.com/tv/

15:26:11 ozbot: Bloomberg TV: Business Live TV - Bloomberg

15:32:49 moiety: aww asciilifeform is that the couple who were out walking and found the gold?

15:34:26 asciilifeform: moiety: yeah, them

15:34:37 asciilifeform: moiety: linked piece mentions that it might be confiscated.

15:34:52 moiety: so if they prove its the 1900 heist money, they won't get anything?

15:35:15 asciilifeform: that was the claim, yes

15:35:20 moiety: plot twist : there weren't only five cans (i hope)

15:36:13 moiety: i'd be too frightened to open the cans for fear of beasties

15:38:28 ThickAsThieves: mircea_popescu pm

15:41:14 nubbins`: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=218435.msg5506076#msg5506076

15:41:16 ozbot: Official CaVirtex.com Thread

15:41:24 nubbins`: now that's an interesting way to respond

15:42:37 nubbins`: <b><i><u>My response</u></i></b>

15:42:49 nubbins`: quoting is hard etc

15:55:48 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves lol katecraig is still delayed ?

15:55:49 mircea_popescu: wasn't it xmas ?

15:56:18 mircea_popescu: aww flexcoin eh ? which was this one ? i forget.

15:58:08 Apocalyptic: the first bitcoin bank

15:58:21 Apocalyptic: it's been around for a while afaik

15:59:25 mircea_popescu: pretty sure it's not the first thing posing as a bank no

16:00:16 nubbins`: hadnt heard of it before today

16:00:20 Apocalyptic: should have included quotes I guess

16:00:32 mircea_popescu: larger amounts of airqutes pls

16:00:44 nubbins`: the "first" bitcoin "bank"

16:01:03 mircea_popescu: t"he" etc

16:01:10 nubbins`: "theft"

16:01:11 mircea_popescu: AIRQUOTE EVERYTHING

16:01:23 Apocalyptic: heh

16:01:47 nubbins`: "flexcoin" "will be" "shutting" its "doors"

16:01:57 ThickAsThieves: hehe obama is announcing new budget from an elementary school

16:02:17 nubbins`: did someone whisper it in his ear while he was reading a story?

16:02:52 nubbins`: followed by a look of utter confusion and a few more paragraphs of story-time?

16:03:14 mircea_popescu: "its"

16:03:55 nubbins`: hey those aren't your doors!

16:04:36 nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/report-slum-landlords-dennis-o-keefe-says-1.2558938

16:04:37 ozbot: Report slum landlords, Dennis O'Keefe says - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News

16:04:56 nubbins`: "O'Keefe said the city will act quickly on complaints once they're received, but if a landlord refuses to allow an inspector into the unit, the city then has to go to court. If an order to clean up a property is then ignored, they would have to go to court again."

16:05:06 nubbins`: report slum landlords, wait two years for solution

16:05:11 nubbins`: meantime, get kicked out of your house

16:05:27 mircea_popescu: that's you ?!

16:05:31 nubbins`: nah

16:05:34 nubbins`: i'm not an o'keefe

16:05:41 nubbins`: nor a dennis, for that matter

16:05:42 mircea_popescu: is keefe like the most common canadian name ?

16:05:46 Mats_cd03: any bets on when the next exchange with >1000btc gets robbed

16:05:47 nubbins`: relatively uncommon

16:05:50 nubbins`: lots of o'keefes

16:05:55 mircea_popescu: aha i c

16:06:11 nubbins`: 3 generations back, we were o'keeffe but dropped an o and an f

16:06:15 Duffer1: you mean "robbed" Mats? :P

16:06:24 nubbins`: "exchange"

16:06:28 Duffer1: hehe

16:06:33 nubbins`: "with", even

16:06:39 Mats_cd03: is there a sizable irish pop in cn

16:06:42 Mats_cd03: ca*

16:06:45 Apocalyptic: sounds about right

16:06:54 nubbins`: most of newfoundland has irish heritage

16:07:05 nubbins`: of some sort

16:07:25 nubbins`: the rest of canada, not so much

16:07:34 nubbins`: but it is a nation of immigrants, so y'know. pockets everywhere

16:09:05 nubbins`: TBF my ancestors came from england, nor ireland.

16:10:43 nubbins`: bbl picking up rent, etc

16:10:49 artifexd: I'm looking to buy some ATC. x-bt and openex orderbooks are too thin. Anybody selling?

16:11:54 mircea_popescu: artifexd maybe BingoBoingo

16:13:24 artifexd: ;;later tell BingoBoingo I'm trying to buy some ATC. Are you trying to sell?

16:15:09 ThickAsThieves: blockchain on bloomberg momentarily

16:15:17 ThickAsThieves: http://www.bloomberg.com/tv/

16:15:17 ozbot: Bloomberg TV: Business Live TV - Bloomberg

16:16:30 ThickAsThieves: facebook is gonna buy drones to provide internet to africa

16:16:35 ThickAsThieves: sell!

16:17:04 moiety: is mark spending his xmas money or something lately?

16:17:24 ThickAsThieves: blockchain.info bought clarkmoody

16:17:39 ThickAsThieves: integrating with zeroblock

16:17:40 moiety: o.o

16:18:06 ThickAsThieves: they bought rtbtc

16:18:49 mircea_popescu: the bitcoin founation policy of decentralisation ?

16:18:53 mircea_popescu: dun dun dun

16:19:02 ThickAsThieves: so they are opening a trading platform

16:19:03 arij: really? when did they buy cm/rtbtc?

16:19:05 Duffer1: acquire all the things

16:19:12 ThickAsThieves: this week arij

16:19:24 Apocalyptic: <ThickAsThieves> so they are opening a trading platform // wait, rtbtc was not just charts ?

16:19:30 mircea_popescu: "Tommie Rice Esti castigator, o PETRECERE de sfarsit de SAPTAMA..."

16:19:45 mircea_popescu: fucktarded romanian spammers. buy spam software, replace the subject/body copy,

16:19:47 arij: rtbtc lets you trade at gox/stamp using the API

16:19:48 mircea_popescu: use english names.

16:19:49 Duffer1: rtbtc is a trade platform

16:19:57 mircea_popescu: it totally makes sense some random tommie rice is fluent in romanian

16:20:42 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: twist. google's mail has built-in translation. so, spammers no longer need to study languages.

16:20:42 *: arij wonders what will happen to the bitvps link on clarkmoody

16:21:12 ThickAsThieves: it'll get a lot of clicks today

16:21:13 ThickAsThieves: hehe

16:21:34 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, this is actually correct romanian. it's nigh on impossible for gt to get 8 words straight.

16:21:42 ThickAsThieves: "our company will never touch fiat" cary says

16:21:52 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: no, what i meant was, the receiving end

16:22:01 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves "like we learned from mp" cary doesn't say

16:22:04 asciilifeform: if google's mail, will translate to luser's language.

16:22:04 mircea_popescu: cause he forgot that part.

16:22:15 mircea_popescu: one day i'll understand why this is so hard.

16:22:27 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, but, badly.

16:23:01 ThickAsThieves: ok zeroblock isnt an independent exchange, just an interfacing platform

16:23:03 asciilifeform: a good portion of english-language spam shows signs of being produced in exactly this way.

16:23:14 ThickAsThieves: for $20/m

16:23:31 mircea_popescu: i believe it.

16:24:02 wao-ender: good move bch.

16:24:15 wao-ender: these trading platform should rise

16:25:35 ThickAsThieves: i love how now that gox is dead, we don't get 25% price moves after every news tidbit

16:26:06 asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: a team of chumpatronic engineers is working around the clock to fix this.

16:26:12 ThickAsThieves: hehe

16:26:30 wao-ender: soon they move to another X

16:26:31 asciilifeform: 'a holy place never remains empty' (rus. proverb)

16:27:46 asciilifeform: expect a 'MtFox' or the like, using mouth and arse- prints for N-factor authentication and 'AML' government id both

16:27:50 asciilifeform: or something like that.

16:28:35 asciilifeform: the only sure bet is that there will be some sweet placebo to reassure the chumps that 'this time, It's Different !11! (TM)'

16:30:51 ThickAsThieves: reddit is very disappointed in Cary

16:31:23 ThickAsThieves: it is kinda non-news

16:31:32 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform has it lol.

16:31:46 mircea_popescu: mp says gox is trading with itself, ppl are like oooooookay.

16:31:54 mircea_popescu: then gox goes away and price suddenly is quite stable.

16:31:56 ThickAsThieves: also they shouldve at least rebranded the acquisition site fully

16:31:58 mircea_popescu: so mp goes oooookay.

16:32:08 ThickAsThieves: they just slapped a squished logo on it

16:32:25 ThickAsThieves: tsk tsk brandbuilding!

16:33:01 ThickAsThieves: well gox is probably also what got us to $300+

16:33:14 ThickAsThieves: fwiw

16:34:13 ThickAsThieves: blockchain also shoulda removed this frozen gox chart from clarkmoody lol

16:34:16 ThickAsThieves: http://bitcoin.clarkmoody.com/

16:34:16 ozbot: Bitcoin Data Platform | RTBTC

16:34:36 mircea_popescu: what's the rush.

16:34:52 ThickAsThieves: well they just said "Hey look at me!"

16:34:59 ThickAsThieves: typiclaly a good time to comb your hair

16:35:10 mircea_popescu: http://imgur.com/Jr4uWC2 << check that shit out, suddenly "no data available/0 views"

16:35:10 ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

16:35:19 mircea_popescu: i didn't know imgur deleted stats ?

16:36:02 ThickAsThieves: hmm that is odd

16:40:11 deadweasel: it's not recording stats anymore either

16:40:53 mircea_popescu: CONSPIRACI

16:41:33 mircea_popescu: twist : is imgur running fractional reserve stats ?

16:41:55 deadweasel: they had to use yoru stats to cover the justin beiber run on imgur

16:42:48 mircea_popescu: a statschain divided upon itself can not stand!

16:43:10 mircea_popescu: friends! bitcoiners! citizens! lend me your views!

16:50:06 Duffer1: I only have likes, do you accept those?

16:50:15 artifexd: lol

16:50:31 Duffer1: actually i think i have some spare upvotes

16:50:38 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker likes/views

17:05:49 mircea_popescu: in today's lol : fraudsters referrer ronpaulforums.com comes slightly ahead of somethingawful.com

17:06:06 mircea_popescu: not by much and towards the bottom of the pile, but anyway

17:06:15 asciilifeform: what's in the top of the pile?

17:06:45 Duffer1: ^

17:06:55 mircea_popescu: direct, various rss and twitter feeds

17:07:04 mircea_popescu: slashdot

17:07:10 mircea_popescu: reddit (0.o)

17:07:18 mircea_popescu: tardstalk

17:07:21 mircea_popescu: litecointalk

17:07:26 mircea_popescu: buncha chinese and russian stuff

17:08:15 asciilifeform: phun phact. first time i ever heard of reddit, i parsed the name as 'Red [i.e. communist] Edit [as in editorial]'

17:08:25 mircea_popescu: lots of ancient links

17:08:38 mircea_popescu: (my article about how to suck cock is still 3rd most read, won't yield that beast)

17:09:03 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you were so woefully, drastically and deplorably off the mark with that

17:09:07 mircea_popescu: except wait...

17:09:14 mircea_popescu: no you weren't.

17:10:07 asciilifeform: i'm an 'LL(1)' parser.

17:11:11 mircea_popescu: i have a steak at stake and it's fucking sticking it to me

17:11:47 asciilifeform: i'd rather eat steak than stake.

17:12:14 mircea_popescu: im stoked :D

17:12:41 asciilifeform: 'stokes' is a joke, but green's is mean'

17:12:58 asciilifeform: (memory from a maths class)

17:13:09 mircea_popescu: i suppose we'll have to have rhymes day namean ?

17:25:01 moiety: http://www.engadget.com/2014/03/04/apple-carplay-ferrari-ff-hands-on/ lol resistive touch screen

17:25:01 ozbot: Hands-on with Apple's CarPlay: when Siri met Ferrari (video)

17:25:08 moiety: so ugly!

17:27:00 wao-ender: looks resistive

17:28:34 moiety: looks resistable

17:32:41 wao-ender: capacitivy wouldnt has that flick buttons

17:32:46 Mats_cd03: looks like a good competitor to the stuff in tesla's cars

17:32:58 wao-ender: but volvo have capacitve one carplay, well

17:33:03 asciilifeform: who the hell wants a touch screen in a car

17:33:06 Mats_cd03: i do

17:33:15 asciilifeform: knob, you can twist without looking

17:33:33 Mats_cd03: im not a scrub that needs haptic feedback

17:35:18 Mats_cd03: its my opinion that good software solves that problem anyway

17:35:25 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't think the people targetted actually drive.

17:35:39 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: !?

17:35:49 asciilifeform: screen is meant for passenger?

17:35:52 mircea_popescu: nah

17:35:59 mircea_popescu: screen is meant for douche who can't afford a car at all

17:36:02 Mats_cd03: why cant you use a touch screen with a voice button mounted on teh wheel

17:36:17 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how is this supposed to work? am i just thick?

17:36:25 mircea_popescu: "look how cool and from the future we are"

17:36:35 mircea_popescu: ferrari doesn't sell cars by convincing anyone to buy one

17:36:47 mircea_popescu: ferrari sells cars by convincing poor lithe 20something chicks to blow anyone in a ferrari

17:36:57 asciilifeform: so this is something like the ads on the washington d.c. metro for fighter jets and destroyers?

17:37:08 mircea_popescu: mutatis mutandis

17:37:16 mircea_popescu: or should i say, mutatits mutandine

17:42:45 mircea_popescu: (this, incidentally, is also why all the limited edition crap)

17:46:15 mircea_popescu: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/presidential-budget-2015/?

17:46:15 mircea_popescu: check out all those healthcare savings already.

17:46:15 mircea_popescu: #obamawasright

17:46:15 ozbot: Breaking down spending in Obama's budget proposal - The Washington Post

17:47:01 mircea_popescu: tyl : veteran affairs cost as much as education or health care. who knew there's a cost to all that jingoism.

17:47:59 asciilifeform: in u.s., actual education (public schools, etc) is funded on state level

17:48:06 asciilifeform: federal 'dept. of ed' is something quite else

17:49:18 mircea_popescu: point.

17:49:30 mircea_popescu: holden got hit with a -40%

17:49:37 mircea_popescu: "us no longer needs justice dept" ?

17:50:21 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'useful' part of the latter is being merged into the 'ministry of love' (DHS)

17:50:33 asciilifeform: (that being the armed stormtroopers)

17:50:42 mircea_popescu: o gee! just like the soviets.

17:51:14 mircea_popescu: epa got slashed. who knew

17:51:22 asciilifeform: it lives on fines

17:51:24 mircea_popescu: i guess if you have no economy you can save on environmnetalism

17:51:43 mircea_popescu: uh, they don't get to make fines part of their own budget do they ?

17:52:34 asciilifeform: they do.

17:52:45 mircea_popescu: whop the fuck came up with that stupid idea.

17:52:50 asciilifeform: just like local police depts

17:52:56 mircea_popescu: jaysus.

17:53:28 asciilifeform: (many u.s. police depts are funded largely by asset seizure - without anyone needing to be convicted of a crime)

17:55:04 mircea_popescu: that i know

17:55:07 mircea_popescu: even wrote about it

17:55:13 jborkl: as I understand it just the State of Texas lew enforcment takes in a billion a year mainly on weed

17:55:21 mircea_popescu: to me it registers as the #1 item on the list of why the us can't be4 taken seriously as a civilised state.

18:06:03 deadweasel: civilization via wikipedia: Civilization or civilisation (in British English) generally refers to state polities which combine these basic institutions, having one or more of each: a ceremonial centre (a formal gathering place for social and cultural activities), a system of writing, and a city.

18:06:22 deadweasel: not a definition I would have expected.

18:06:53 deadweasel: so in the most useless sense, we are civlised.

18:07:02 deadweasel: now how do we actually define civilisation?

18:26:02 mircea_popescu: deadweasel civilisation is the totality of material productions of an identified primate group.

18:26:17 mircea_popescu: as contrasted with culture, which is the totality of ideal productions of an ~.

18:26:52 mircea_popescu: together culture and civilisation describe privileged wife,

18:26:59 mircea_popescu: as opposed to bare life (ie, cattle).

18:27:08 mircea_popescu: s/wife/life

18:27:30 nubbins`: check your privilege :D

18:27:34 nubbins`: ba-dum-tss

18:27:44 mircea_popescu: yeah.

18:27:54 mircea_popescu: quite typical for libertards to get stuck blaming the curb.

18:27:56 deadweasel: i prefer this definition. is somewhat more meaningful

18:28:49 Mats_cd03: !ticker s.mpoe

18:29:32 nubbins`: My name is Clark Moody, and this is my website. First of all, I love Jesus, and I want you to know him. He has changed my life forever, and His love has the power to change you.

18:30:58 benkay: is that kind of attitude an instant disqualifier for anyone elese?

18:31:00 nubbins`: ¬_¬

18:31:04 nubbins`: yes

18:31:06 benkay: !t m s.mpoe

18:31:12 benkay: Mats_cd03: ^^

18:31:21 nubbins`: i only finished reading the sentence because my peripheral vision picked it up

18:31:27 Mats_cd03: !t s.mpoe

18:31:36 Mats_cd03: !t m s.mpoe

18:31:39 Mats_cd03: wut

18:32:47 moiety: yes benkay, so much yes

18:34:37 benkay: hullo moiety

18:35:12 benkay: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:158cca9962694cd90af05df37425fc2724c92c39cbcaa5b2965f8160

18:35:12 benkay:

18:35:25 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in a parking lot, http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6681rcJVh1qk6jqko1_500.jpg

18:36:47 benkay: i'm uninterested unless they're yours, mircea_popescu

18:37:10 mircea_popescu: my whats

18:37:34 nubbins`: flaps

18:37:53 mircea_popescu: no homo ?

18:38:00 benkay: tits

18:38:08 nubbins`: it's all a spectrum man, don't fight it

18:38:21 benkay: tits in a parking lot are cool, don't get me wrong

18:38:23 asciilifeform: for newswank aficionados, mr. o update his post (http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/03/reichstag-fire-in-kiev.html) with summary of today's.

18:38:26 benkay: but i seen plenty of that nao

18:38:39 benkay: mircea_popescu's tits, though, that's an entirely different story.

18:38:46 moiety: mircea_popescu: you have a knack for finding naked girls outside

18:39:06 mircea_popescu: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m79qts6XbI1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg < sure :D

18:39:32 moiety: lol at least these ones get shoes

18:39:58 mircea_popescu: moiety some even get a purse.

18:40:16 BingoBoingo: artifexd: ATM I would not be selling ATC at the current market prices

18:40:46 moiety: lolol

18:40:53 mircea_popescu: "Also, something of a consensus among military experts has emerged: Ukraine's army can't fight."

18:40:54 mircea_popescu: derp.

18:41:00 moiety: BingoBoingo: there you are i tried to twitter at you

18:41:05 mircea_popescu: once a state makes the comitment of calling a general mobilisaiton and its ignored,

18:41:08 mircea_popescu: that state is finished.

18:41:15 asciilifeform: 'they had a war and nobody came'

18:41:17 mircea_popescu: sort-of like calling a no confidence vote and not getting any yes.

18:41:24 mircea_popescu: exactly.

18:41:32 mircea_popescu: gotta advertise it on social media better next time.

18:41:51 mircea_popescu: and incidentally : this is quite instructive for the attentive watcher. with the exception of china and some other asian majors, NOBODY is capable of war.

18:42:05 mircea_popescu: i don't give a shit that the us could deploy fifty or fifty thousand specially trained idiots.

18:42:09 BingoBoingo: moiety: Ah, cool link

18:42:18 mircea_popescu: if it comes to war and there's a general mobilisation, the us couldn't gather even ukraine's 1%

18:42:40 mircea_popescu: the entirety of the combatant populace would be "can they just rape us instead ? we'll fuck for peace"

18:43:24 asciilifeform: http://educate-yourself.org/cn/draftindex.shtml

18:43:25 ozbot: The Military Draft

18:43:39 asciilifeform: haha apparently i'm still good for cannonfodder

18:43:45 mircea_popescu: anyway. the us is in this position where it has to learn to play second fiddle/cocksucker to the actual powers that be

18:43:52 mircea_popescu: and get damned good at it and fucking love it.

18:44:11 mircea_popescu: ideally by last week.

18:44:14 asciilifeform: '... If you have a 'specialty' field such as... a degree in computer science... you could be 'drafted'..'

18:44:43 asciilifeform: (presumably, to install winblows on the platoon laptop, so grunts can play Quake.)

18:45:41 mircea_popescu: ya that'll do a lot of good.

18:45:55 mircea_popescu: fun fact : thai underage prostitutes also value those among them that can fix smartphones.

18:46:25 mircea_popescu: "Now I know better. The government is in the hands of satanic, globalist traitors who are following a script to destroy America and its people"

18:46:28 asciilifeform: in the east, people do indeed fix phones!

18:46:28 mircea_popescu: jesus all the anger.

18:46:52 asciilifeform: when i bought a digital hot air machine circa '07, it came with a whole sausage of power plugs for various phones of the period

18:46:54 asciilifeform: (chinese)

18:47:27 mircea_popescu: hot air machine = tv ?

18:47:37 deadweasel: nubbins, re: clark moody/jesusIsLord, yes, instant disqualifier

18:48:17 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nope. http://sra-solder.com/shopimages/products/normal/aoyue768.jpg

18:48:39 mircea_popescu: o the actual thing

18:48:47 mircea_popescu: deadpanning my comedee

18:48:48 asciilifeform: right. literal hot air

18:49:10 asciilifeform: the most chinese possible. as in, bouncing ball for air pressure gauge.

18:49:54 asciilifeform: essential household tool

18:50:07 asciilifeform: even if you don't solder

18:50:18 asciilifeform: (e.g. melt hot glue without destroying the glued item)

18:51:12 mircea_popescu: dry nail polish

18:51:47 asciilifeform: nah, vacuum works best for that one

18:54:46 artifexd: BingoBoingo At would price would you sell?

18:55:08 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if the bitch is spherical.

18:55:24 asciilifeform: ah you meant on actual human nails.

18:56:35 *: mircea_popescu duly notes that asciilifeform takes his harpies well manicured.

18:59:16 BingoBoingo: artifexd: Maybe throw out some prices and I'll way yes when one is agreeable?

19:01:11 benkay: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=499580

19:01:13 ozbot: BTC Stolen from Poloniex

19:01:38 asciilifeform: unrelated: did anyone ever answer the call to implement btc reference client compatible in verilog?

19:01:41 benkay: suspicious activity monitors: nontrivial to implement.

19:01:44 mircea_popescu: no.

19:02:10 benkay: transactional database transactions: what the hell is that and why would anyone?

19:02:19 asciilifeform: (doesn't have to be verilog in particular - any circuit description system would do)

19:02:45 mircea_popescu: benkay here's a random thought : as long as you're not running on transactional hardware, your "transactional" db stack is exactly implementable in mysql.

19:02:57 artifexd: A million ATC for 1 btc

19:03:15 mircea_popescu: artifexd it's been trading over 100 satoshi since it was invented.

19:03:21 mircea_popescu: i think 125ish was the cheapest it ever went

19:03:45 artifexd: I bought 10k this morning for 75 satoshi

19:03:54 mircea_popescu: wow. who from ? where ?

19:03:56 asciilifeform: (circuit-level implementation, done correctly, would leave no room for doubt as to the fate of every input bit, and the origin of every output)

19:04:15 artifexd: https://x-bt.com/markets/atcbtc

19:04:17 ozbot: X-BT - The new marketplace for trading Bitcoin with Litecoin, Namecoin and Altcoin

19:04:18 mircea_popescu: pankkake you around btw ?

19:04:27 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo an' how about you ?

19:09:37 asciilifeform: from the 'weirdest CAPTCHA' candidates: http://www.microchip.su/search.php

19:14:46 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'm on x-bt as well. For an OTC trade I dunno if I can sell for less than 200 satoshis seeing how thin the asks are.

19:15:22 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo suppose i send you a btc so you can put a buywall at 100 in ?

19:15:38 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I could do that

19:15:59 mircea_popescu: pm me an addy then

19:16:52 moiety: asciilifeform: flippin' heck! @ the captcha

19:18:25 artifexd: The asks are thin. I'd be willing to do a million for 150 satoshi each.

19:20:00 ThickAsThieves: I can sell some for 750sat

19:20:37 BingoBoingo: artifexd: Let me auth and I can sell 75000 at 150 satoshis per

19:20:47 BingoBoingo: ;;eauth BingoBoingo

19:21:00 artifexd: BingoBoingo deal

19:21:02 artifexd: ;;ident

19:21:41 BingoBoingo: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:cc40ed3fbc8fef3a0949519122251b4db3bd6e36158af2dc2c7b9ab1

19:21:55 artifexd: pm addresses?

19:22:18 BingoBoingo: K, I am still waiting on a confirm on my withdrawal from the exchange

19:22:54 mircea_popescu: how slow are atc blocks these days ?

19:24:12 BingoBoingo: http://atc.blockr.io/

19:25:04 mircea_popescu: o right right

19:28:33 BingoBoingo: Anyone mind pointing a Bitfury at ATC for a few minutes?

19:37:41 BingoBoingo: ;;tslb

19:45:30 benkay`: http://betaboston.com/news/2014/03/04/aereo-online-tv-streaming-broadcasters-supreme-court-justice-department/

19:45:31 ozbot: Feds now oppose Aereo, rejecting cloud apocalypse argument | BetaBoston

19:45:36 benkay`: want to do something clever?

19:45:39 benkay`: leave the fucking states.

19:47:44 mircea_popescu: did they rule ?

19:48:32 artifexd: While BingoBoingo has my appreciation for selling ATC to me, my bid for 1,000,000 ATC at 150 satoshis remains open. Thanks BingoBoingo!

19:48:35 ThickAsThieves: not til April

19:49:14 mircea_popescu: artifexd why no put it on x-btc ?

19:49:35 artifexd: I put part of it on there.

19:49:42 mircea_popescu: aok

19:53:28 mircea_popescu: that book getting some meat on it.

19:54:03 artifexd: eh. not really. 2 million is me.

19:55:01 mircea_popescu: a, the aero thing is yest news really.

19:55:27 mircea_popescu: artifexd that 500k and 1.5 mn?

19:55:34 artifexd: yeah

19:56:45 BingoBoingo: Yeah

19:56:47 artifexd: Wait. No. Only 500k of the 1.5 mn is me.

19:57:07 artifexd: So, I only have 1mn in bids up.

20:00:39 KRS-One: .bait

20:00:41 ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/d449b0f3da44baaedcce60296ee35ccd/tumblr_mwrxn19fNb1sls37no1_500.jpg

20:00:50 KRS-One: lol

20:00:52 KRS-One: https://twitter.com/FaceBitCoin/status/440916241554083840

20:00:53 ozbot: Twitter / FaceBitCoin: We got news for you, bub. If ...

20:00:55 mircea_popescu: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m79qv7HI6O1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg

20:01:09 KRS-One: haha hmm

20:01:22 KRS-One: that girl is thick but looks damn good

20:03:57 mircea_popescu: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m79qs9b7JS1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg

20:05:47 ThickAsThieves: COG selloff

20:06:09 mircea_popescu: !t h cog

20:06:25 mircea_popescu: heh

20:10:07 nubbins`: getting a surprising amount of traction on casascius coins this past week

20:10:32 artifexd: nubbins` What's a series 1 with error running for nowadays?

20:11:02 nubbins`: all of the series 1s have errors ;)

20:11:17 nubbins`: if you mean a 1btc brass series 1, anywhere from 2.5btc to 5btc

20:11:26 artifexd: I do. Thank you.

20:11:53 nubbins`: fun fact, the 2011 1btc series-2 (non-error) are much harder to find

20:12:03 nubbins`: yet they command a lower premium

20:12:04 nubbins`: figure that out

20:12:12 mircea_popescu: so buy a bunch and save them a decade

20:12:27 nubbins`: the problem with saving them for a decade is that i don't think the btc premium will hold up

20:12:41 mircea_popescu: someone should make a site allowing the pedigree of coins to be traced

20:12:49 mircea_popescu: it'll prove invaluable down the road

20:13:09 nubbins`: i've got pgp-signed documents from casascius stating my fingerprint and the serials of the coins i bought from him

20:13:17 nubbins`: i've been offering to extend the chain of custody with every sale

20:13:22 ThickAsThieves: plus, doge will take over btc anyway right

20:13:24 nubbins`: i think one person has taken me up on it so far

20:13:27 nubbins`: tat, +1

20:13:49 asciilifeform: coin should be electronic. with small camera, dead-reckoning navigation gyro... antifuse ROM for log.

20:13:59 asciilifeform: there's your pedigree record...

20:14:02 nubbins`: coindano

20:15:22 nubbins`: in my experience, most people who collect casascius coins don't know shit about coin collecting in general

20:15:52 nubbins`: it's very, very common to see people determining resale value based on face value ("3x face" etc)

20:19:45 mircea_popescu: heh

20:19:59 mircea_popescu: take it the other way : the more you put into educating market, the sooner you'll have an educated market.

20:20:12 nubbins`: i've been trying, it's an uphill battle

20:20:15 mircea_popescu: your efforts explode exponentially, the fact you put in some sane structure today attracts wall street tomorrow

20:20:26 mircea_popescu: and of course a bunch of fuctards who imagine THEY had anything to do with it

20:20:40 mircea_popescu: but all that is plainly indifferent to you. there's no requirement the fucktards know who gaia is.

20:21:23 nubbins`: i honestly feel bad for the people paying 30btc for a 10btc piece because they saw an 0.5btc piece sell for 1.5

20:21:40 nubbins`: 18btc pissed down the drain

20:21:48 mircea_popescu: i feel bad with people with micropenis.

20:21:54 nubbins`: do you?!

20:21:55 mircea_popescu: for people*

20:21:57 mircea_popescu: sure.

20:22:30 nubbins`: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=426836.msg5239917#msg5239917

20:22:31 ozbot: [WTS] Casascius Series 1 1BTC, 5 BTC, 25 BTC

20:22:31 mircea_popescu: not like they had 20 inches and decided to piss 18 of them away ya know ?

20:22:36 nubbins`: ^ re: face value and resale value

20:22:43 nubbins`: too true

20:23:26 mircea_popescu: such shitty photos

20:23:48 nubbins`: even the good photos are shitty. those things are almost impossible to photograph well

20:24:42 mircea_popescu: because no tools.

20:24:53 mircea_popescu: (hint : spot lights don't work for coins)

20:24:56 nubbins`: nod. you need lighting

20:25:09 nubbins`: cell phone cameras are inadequare

20:25:15 nubbins`: inadequate, even

20:26:03 mircea_popescu: Even at today's exchange rates, that's a TWELVE THOUSAND DOLLAR premium. For a privately-minted round issued in 2013.

20:26:03 mircea_popescu: Go into a coin store and tell them about this, watch their jaw hit the floor.

20:26:04 mircea_popescu: word.

20:26:22 mircea_popescu: anyway : you need a flat panel difuse lighting thing.

20:26:35 mircea_popescu: there's special kits for taking pics of small shiny shit like coins

20:26:53 nubbins`: yeah

20:27:14 nubbins`: phone cameras usually have auto-focus as well, which really shits the bed photographing the holos

20:27:15 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=498302.0

20:27:17 ozbot: Eternal Bitcoin Bonds by Usagi

20:27:21 mircea_popescu: this should be self-explainatory.

20:27:35 nubbins`: best casascius photos i ever took with a phone, and they're shit: http://imgur.com/a/BWHw5

20:28:01 mircea_popescu: nubbins` yeah, if you use a bed the advantage is that the focus is fixed

20:28:07 mircea_popescu: and you know VERY well exactly how far off the item is

20:28:33 nubbins`: nod

20:28:59 nubbins`: fun fact, i sold that coin for 5.5btc

20:29:31 nubbins`: "In short, you have NOTHING to worry about."

20:29:35 nubbins`: i've heard that before

20:31:09 BingoBoingo: http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/03/critical-crypto-bug-leaves-linux-hundreds-of-apps-open-to-eavesdropping/

20:31:10 ozbot: Critical crypto bug leaves Linux, hundreds of apps open to eavesdropping | Ars Technica

20:31:58 asciilifeform: Don't Blame The Mice!

20:32:44 jcpham: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=499965.msg5512103#msg5512103

20:32:45 ozbot: WTS: 2012 McLaren MP4-12C 3.8L 616HP Supercar

20:33:04 asciilifeform: also fun:

20:33:05 asciilifeform: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/03/journalist-nsa-wont-give-me-a-secure-channel-to-communicate-on/

20:34:27 mircea_popescu: yeah.

20:34:37 asciilifeform: 'It's significant that no one managed to notice such glaring errors, particularly since they were contained in code that anyone can review.' << ahahaha

20:35:46 nubbins`: "Hiring a lawyer to recoup < 50BTC is idiotic. Lack of practical legal recourse is what makes Bitcoin scamming so attractive."

20:35:46 nubbins`: i've heard THAT before, too.

20:35:47 nubbins`: BingoBoingo: i wish i had to use a glass to hear my neighbours

20:36:28 mircea_popescu: derp.

20:36:29 mircea_popescu: what, you mean https is in no way s ?

20:36:29 mircea_popescu: who would have thought this!

20:36:48 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "what, you mean just because people could expend highly specialised, intricate work that's usually highly paid for free it doesn't mean they also will?!?!?!"

20:37:03 asciilifeform: it would remain derp even if the code were written to spec, by a god.

20:37:10 asciilifeform: because PKI == chumpatron

20:37:15 mircea_popescu: gedankenexperiment : cleanning the streets in my town is open source

20:37:25 mircea_popescu: i could be out there scraping gum from the sidewalk at this very moment.

20:37:48 asciilifeform: fools will install the patched version, and 'ahhh i'm seekure now.'

20:41:09 nubbins`: grumble, no closer to getting keyboard input working in eulora

20:41:29 nubbins`: i wish there was someone else trying this on osx so we could compare notes ;(

20:41:35 mircea_popescu: me2

20:48:11 nubbins`: [17:15:46] <ProphetDaniel> Hi there gentlemen

20:48:12 nubbins`: [17:15:53] <ProphetDaniel> I'm a newbie over here.

20:48:21 nubbins`: [17:16:35] <ProphetDaniel> And I would like to receive a positive 1 rating for learning the GPG/OTC for BTC

20:48:40 deadweasel: "i opened my box of animal crackers, what did I win?

20:48:52 nubbins`: "i learned how to do my job, where is my raise?"

20:49:25 deadweasel: i exist, therefore rate me a positive 1

20:49:50 nubbins`: heh

20:49:59 nubbins`: ;:rate deadweasel 1 he exists

20:55:37 benkay`: http://www.meetup.com/Wantrepreneurs-Anonymous/?gj=ej1b&a=wg2_l1

20:55:44 benkay`: i get it

20:55:50 benkay`: everyone's retarded and incapable of doing things

20:55:56 benkay`: wanting ratings for using gpg

20:56:01 benkay`: thinking they're running companies

20:57:25 Mats_cd03: mircea_popescu: what do you think future revenues look like after the changes

20:57:52 mircea_popescu: what are we talking about ?

20:57:58 Mats_cd03: @ s.mpoe

20:58:01 FabianB_: mircea_popescu: haven't read backlog yet, has s.bbet divident already been discussed?

20:58:16 mircea_popescu: FabianB_ report published, dividend paid, was there a problem ?

20:58:21 mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 hard to say.

20:58:29 asciilifeform: s.bbet ?!

20:58:35 asciilifeform: ah

20:58:36 asciilifeform: nm

20:58:38 FabianB_: mircea_popescu: i have the feeling i got too much ;)

20:58:45 mircea_popescu: uhm

20:58:57 FabianB_: total div divided by 3 mil instead of 10 mil

20:59:13 jurov: how much did you get per share?

20:59:21 mircea_popescu: Mar 04 11:24:30 <assbot> [MPEX] [S.BBET] [PAID] 3.68215411 BTC to 3`000`000 shares, 122 satoshi per share

20:59:25 mircea_popescu: ayup.

20:59:33 FabianB_: 122 satoshi per

20:59:34 mircea_popescu: a well, thanks for pointing out ><

20:59:51 FabianB_: but i think it should be around 37 satoshi

21:00:10 mircea_popescu: will be charging 2.577507877 BTC against march profits.

21:00:23 benkay`: why does the div command even have a notional float?!

21:00:24 mircea_popescu: early dividends because the mp can't math.

21:00:24 ThickAsThieves: heh

21:00:34 mircea_popescu: benkay` mostly for this reason.

21:00:39 FabianB_: heh, the bbet usual :)

21:01:01 mircea_popescu: we are very serious about our accounting

21:01:08 ThickAsThieves: what if i sell my bbet?

21:01:10 mircea_popescu: we just don't use the same maths as the rest of you

21:01:16 ThickAsThieves: no debt to pay!

21:01:26 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves efficient market hypothesis!

21:01:31 benkay`: it just introduces an opportunity to screw things up.

21:01:32 FabianB_: well, shit happens

21:01:32 mircea_popescu: your shares have already been discounted

21:01:41 mircea_popescu: FabianB_ on a monthly basis

21:02:14 FabianB_: yeah, since next months div will be better anyway :)

21:02:56 ThickAsThieves: friggin scammars

21:03:31 ThickAsThieves: better bet yes on altcoin market cap bet to cover losses

21:03:41 FabianB_: i guess it's the only sane way to move it to next month

21:03:50 mircea_popescu: FabianB_ pretty much.

21:05:11 mircea_popescu: im just slightly distraught that there's no way i can blame this on kakobrekla

21:05:44 nubbins`: well, there is one way

21:05:48 nubbins`: unjustifiably ;D

21:05:56 mircea_popescu: benkay` but in seriousness : the float in the div command allows 3rd parties to verify the float.

21:06:24 mircea_popescu: as mpex won't let you pay for less than the records show, and you don't want to pay for more.

21:07:13 FabianB_: most s.bbet shareholders are longterm anyway

21:07:36 benkay`: didn't you just pay to less than the nominal float?

21:07:36 mircea_popescu: !t m s.bbet

21:07:49 mircea_popescu: FabianB_ indeed lol.

21:07:53 mircea_popescu: benkay` no. to more.

21:08:16 mircea_popescu: basically i paid the entire profit to the 3mn shares outstanding

21:08:24 mircea_popescu: rather than pay 0.3xprofit to the 3mn shares outstanding

21:08:32 benkay`: ah yeah

21:08:39 benkay`: that thing where you have shares off the exchange

21:10:44 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=498002.msg5512802#msg5512802

21:10:45 ozbot: Calling out the Bitcoin Foundation Scam.

21:10:53 mircea_popescu: teh gift that just keeps on givin'

21:13:12 BitcoinPropagand: Any btc millionaire here?

21:14:14 BitcoinPropagand: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=447133.60


21:16:55 ThickAsThieves: lol usagi

21:19:00 benkay`: these arts are really impressive

21:19:18 ThickAsThieves: kakobrekla 0: -0 / +1(1) 2013-07-15 1140 btc CPA contract.

21:19:21 ThickAsThieves: wassat?

21:19:48 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves back in 2012 i think ? kako had an insurance deal on which usagi's cpa paid out

21:20:11 ThickAsThieves: word, the date threw me

21:20:27 mircea_popescu: yeah no way that was last august

21:20:34 mircea_popescu: it was way before your time

21:21:16 benkay`: BitcoinPropagand: austerity has neat type design, i just don't care about austerity at all.

21:21:21 benkay`: or working class gold at all.

21:21:40 benkay`: ufo for sale is moderately amusing

21:22:21 ThickAsThieves: ‏@CharlieShrem 3h

21:22:21 ThickAsThieves: Tomorrow, 12CT/1ET I'll be giving a powerful speech via Skype adapted from @Falkvinge Stockholm, 2006 freedom demonstration. #TexasBitcoin

21:33:31 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/440930297153347584

21:33:32 ozbot: Twitter / BBCBreaking: Russia test-fires ...

21:34:36 benkay`: and more, BingoBoingo http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/04/world/europe/top-russians-face-sanctions-by-us-for-crimea-crisis.html?_r=0

21:34:52 benkay`: that'n's per-tic-u-ler-ly lulzy

21:44:11 mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/774/feeder-cattle-jan-2015-over-250-at-any/

21:44:11 ozbot: BitBet - Feeder Cattle Jan 2015 over $250 at any point in 2014

21:44:17 mircea_popescu: if anybody got any feeder cattle.

21:46:56 moiety: the bitbet i have been waiting for!

21:48:05 pLambert: what is this, a bitbet not based on bitcoin? Absurd!

21:48:43 moiety: how much do storage containers cost?

21:49:00 benkay`: TEU's run about 1.6KUSD over here, moiety.

21:49:10 mircea_popescu: yeah, coupla grand or so

21:49:16 benkay`: china ships 'em over and then doesn't want them back.

21:49:22 mircea_popescu: but you can't move gfs in containers.

21:49:28 moiety: ok i have a new grand plan!

21:49:31 BingoBoingo: WHy not?

21:49:41 moiety: yes you can mircea_popescu in fact, loads of them at once!

21:49:42 mircea_popescu: ps : for the people not doing agrifutures : gf is the code prefix for feeder cattle.

21:49:54 moiety: ohhh

21:49:58 moiety: lol

21:50:03 mircea_popescu: gfj4 is the current on the run (apr 2014)

21:50:05 ninjashogun: hi

21:50:14 ninjashogun: hi, mircea_popescu

21:50:17 mircea_popescu: ello

21:51:19 moiety: this week's grand plan: (this one is for accomodation) http://www.worthytoshare.com/house-super-cool-inside-outside-shocked-much

21:52:00 nubbins`: "a powerful speech via Skype"

21:52:01 nubbins`: lel

21:52:18 mircea_popescu: moiety yeah well, the poor of india live in containers since the 50s

21:52:19 nubbins`: "a serious document written in red crayon"

21:52:22 mircea_popescu: there are problem

21:52:34 mircea_popescu: nubbins` kids today.

21:52:39 pLambert: mircea_popescu: in your statements you keep saying "The P/E implied value per share is so far 0 BTC." What is that going to say when you do have earnings? Do you have a PE value you will calculate an estimated price from?

21:52:47 moiety: i bet they don't look like that mircea_popescu

21:53:15 mircea_popescu: pLambert well, avg price / earnings

21:53:30 mircea_popescu: moiety there are problems, such as due to lack of foundations.

21:53:37 mircea_popescu: poor thermic and fonic insulation

21:53:43 mircea_popescu: it's really not such a great solution.

21:53:52 pLambert: yeah, I know how to get PE, but what is a P/E implied value?

21:54:05 moiety: 6 containers @ 2k each seemed fab idea.. ok i'll stay in my igloo

21:54:10 asciilifeform: shipping container works best when you bury in a concrete-lined pit.

21:54:36 mircea_popescu: pLambert the implied simply translates the fact that the earnigns and the price signals are averages and so... a guess.

21:55:03 mircea_popescu: moiety 1.5-2k is for an actually functional ones.

21:55:06 moiety: asciilifeform: couldn't you sort of paint the inside iof it with cement?

21:55:10 mircea_popescu: you can prolly buy scrap for the cost of metal.

21:55:23 asciilifeform: moiety: structural, rather than decorative

21:55:50 moiety: yes but to save having to bury it

21:56:11 asciilifeform: earth + planks is the frame for the pour.

21:56:14 asciilifeform: so, buried.

21:57:04 moiety: i just feel renting is such bad value

21:57:20 asciilifeform: moiety: you rent a shipping container?

21:57:30 mircea_popescu: no, she curently rents a tea cozy

21:57:35 mircea_popescu: but plans to move up in the world

21:57:41 moiety: you qould buy it if you were to live in it though right

21:58:54 asciilifeform: where i live, it is forbidden to live in anything that is not a house, except in specially-designated leper colonies.

21:59:17 moiety: mircea_popescu: exactly! discovering containers aren't really 'up' though now XD

21:59:40 moiety: asciilifeform: there was a couple here built an amazing house and they had to tear it down becauseit didn't qualify

22:00:09 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so move to missouri. you can live in a beer can tower there

22:00:18 moiety: http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/local-news/couple-lose-fight-save-hobbit-5395091

22:00:19 asciilifeform: see note re: leper colonies

22:00:19 ozbot: Couple lose fight to save 'hobbit house' eco-home from demolition - Wales Online

22:00:41 moiety: wonderful inside

22:02:45 mircea_popescu: The appeal by Megan Williams was dismissed because the 'benefits of the development did not outweigh the harm to the character and appearance of the countryside'.

22:02:49 mircea_popescu: what srsly ?

22:02:50 dub: was thinking about putting something like this behind my place as a bar/bbq kitchen

22:02:57 dub: https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRV4WbCQOCa8ZDbgw85e5GZ6MEMF-yrlMXto3-tzrFip8ytMsx8

22:03:07 mircea_popescu: who the fuck asked anybody,. it's their fucking land.

22:03:39 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you have allodial titles where you live?

22:03:50 mircea_popescu: in this sense, yes we do.

22:04:00 mircea_popescu: you can build whatever the fuck you please as long as you own the land.

22:04:07 asciilifeform: in anglo world, land isn't really owned, just borrowed from the crown - like in ussr.

22:04:28 mircea_popescu: ;;google turn eiffel slobozia

22:04:44 mircea_popescu: yes, but in the roman empire land is actually owned.

22:05:02 dub: http://1.design-milk.com/images/2013/05/roundup-container-homes-1-600x247.jpg badass

22:05:19 asciilifeform: colleague of mine had to search for ages when buying a house where one was permitted to... plant an orchard.

22:05:27 mircea_popescu: ridiculous

22:05:51 mircea_popescu: romanian friends went to us, bought land, proceeded to build (proper) house

22:05:56 dub: I could keep hens here but not a rooster

22:05:58 mircea_popescu: which means, concrete foundation, brick walls

22:06:15 dub: and pen must be 1m from boundary

22:06:23 mircea_popescu: ended up with a fucking bitter legal fight and eventually left the place with the idea that the us is a pre-modern shithole

22:06:56 asciilifeform: let me guess. couldn't get a government-approved architect to sign off on it

22:07:17 mircea_popescu: no, you were not allowed to build houses that solid.

22:07:22 mircea_popescu: gotta use vinyl siding crap

22:07:25 asciilifeform: haha

22:07:57 mircea_popescu: yeah it was like "i'm shooting this pencilneck" "dude what the fuck do you care about some random us pencilneck. go to peru, build there."

22:08:03 ninjashogun: is anyone here interested in loans? (I'm trying to raisie one as part of bootstrapping my hardware startup)

22:08:36 mircea_popescu: at this rate we'll probably end up with a "no soliciting" rule.

22:08:41 dub: let me in on dat

22:08:48 mircea_popescu: ninjashogun you think something magically changed since last week or w/e ?

22:09:25 ninjashogun: last week or w/e I also connected with people. Didn't find the right match. Different people could be in here now.

22:09:30 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

22:09:49 asciilifeform: ninjashogun: perhaps you have mistaken the address. loan lives at bank.

22:09:59 ninjashogun: likewise, the person that I basically actually have done all the legwork with, shared many forms of contact, etc, and agreed on basic terms - I also met online (different channel.)

22:10:03 mircea_popescu: you misunderstand how things work to an amusing degree.

22:10:32 ninjashogun: asciilifeform, I don't think a bank loan can be used to finance what I'm doing. If it could there would be no need for angels in the world.

22:10:49 mircea_popescu: nothing can be used to finance what you're doing you fuckwit you.

22:10:49 asciilifeform: ninjashogun: bank loan can finance a dope habit

22:10:58 asciilifeform: you just have to... pay it back

22:11:22 asciilifeform: is the intended implication that... you don't intend to?

22:11:25 mircea_popescu: this nonsense whereby you secrete your own fictious world where you're not an idiot in spite of actually being an idiot is unfinanceable.

22:12:03 ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, well, considering that the startup has already been financed to an extent, your statement is false. Something can't be unfinanceable if it has been financed.

22:12:11 mircea_popescu: jesus god.

22:12:12 asciilifeform: if financed, then why ask?

22:12:13 pLambert: mircea_popescu: do we need another fraudsters post about how things are supposed to work?

22:12:29 mircea_popescu: pLambert no, because kids know better than to read anything anyway

22:12:30 ninjashogun: asciilifeform, because that was over a year ago, and that was to the company.

22:12:43 asciilifeform: and new one is to be to... ?

22:12:50 ninjashogun: asciilifeform, I would like to bootstrap a bit farther and need to make further milestones that have a nontrivial cost for me.

22:13:06 mircea_popescu: personally i blame the school system. this new idea whereby instead of beating them every time they fail to consult the dictionary upon encountering an unknown world they're encouraged to guess "based on context" what "it might mean"

22:13:12 mircea_popescu: it's been the ruin of an entire generation.

22:13:20 asciilifeform: ninjashogun: what are you building, that you need a loan? airplane? particle accelerator?

22:13:27 ninjashogun: to myself, as a personal loan. I would like to do it this way because the company has become much more valuable, has assigned IP assets, etc. It doesn't make sense to raise a small amount of company by the company.

22:13:36 mircea_popescu: ninjashogun you are nobody. what personal ?

22:13:42 mircea_popescu: does your brain work at all ?

22:13:50 ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, I'd ask you to tone it down a bit.

22:13:51 mircea_popescu: but i mean, at all. to an absolute modicum of minimal function.

22:13:55 mircea_popescu: fuck you

22:13:57 asciilifeform: i'm genuinely curious what this fellow intends to do with the money

22:13:58 mircea_popescu: you don't ask anything.

22:14:07 BingoBoingo: ;;ident ninjashogun

22:14:27 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo no, because the hip thing to do is to come here each week and not wot, and then ask mp to tone it down a bit

22:14:34 asciilifeform: if the answer is 'pay for groceries' he has the wrong address

22:14:39 mircea_popescu: god forbid anyone ever tells you when you're an idiot.

22:14:39 ninjashogun: asciilifeform, yes, like your examples of airplane and particle acccelerator, it is physical hardware. Obviously a plane on a new design would cost millions in R&D, however we just have proprietary educational hardware and have very modest needs (under about $17K)

22:14:42 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I see.

22:14:59 ninjashogun: which is why I wuold not raise external money for it - it is a small amount I would use as a bridge loan. But your thinking is correct, asciilifeform

22:15:02 asciilifeform: ninjashogun: please consider saying what it is.

22:15:16 asciilifeform: if you want to have a sporting chance of interesting someone

22:15:18 mircea_popescu: anyway, taking ideas on how exactly one manages to help the dunning-kruger crowd of entrepreneurs.

22:15:18 jborkl: you would be better off going to the lending subsection on bitcointalk

22:15:30 jborkl: that is where those type of loans reside

22:16:35 asciilifeform: ninjashogun: for instance, if you were to reveal what the hardware is, i might take pity and tell you how to obtain an equivalent for 17 instead of 17k usd.

22:17:44 nubbins`: ninjashogun if you ident i can provide you with any size loan you need

22:17:51 pLambert: I don't understand, why would you take a personal loan to finance your business instead of having your business get the loan it needs?

22:17:56 mircea_popescu: "Feb 25 08:13:06 <ninjashogun> guys I've received some suggestions to "lurk" and "read logs" here, which I wouldn't really have time to do. It was nice meeting you all though and I may be back as the project progresses. Overall I don't think I will be spending a ton of time building WoT, advisors, etc - as I have real-world references for the moment that I would expect anyone to consutl."

22:18:00 mircea_popescu: that's where we're at.

22:18:13 mircea_popescu: you have to be incredibly fucking retarded to go "hey guise, i don't give a shit about you bye"

22:18:24 mircea_popescu: then copme back a week later going "hey guise pls charity ???"

22:18:38 mircea_popescu: you've chosen your road, you're too good to do what you're supposed to do, go do it somewhere else.

22:18:46 pLambert: oh, wait, these things are recorded?

22:18:51 nubbins`: heh

22:18:52 mircea_popescu: of course they're recorded.

22:18:53 nubbins`: every word

22:19:17 mircea_popescu: pLambert we've not even come to the part where he's taking a BTC denominated loan.

22:19:50 pLambert: getting a BTC loan is easy ... paying it back is the hard part!

22:19:57 BingoBoingo: Want to borrow, 5-10 BTC for gambling. Three month term, will return principle + 10% or list of losing bets << Is this questionable and scammy enough, I also ams not auth'd

22:20:04 mircea_popescu: and to top it all off, i actually took the time to point out to him the previous beggar that ended up here drug in by the openbsd story

22:20:21 mircea_popescu: at least that guy had a decent whine about noisy laptops and naked wives in eastern russia

22:21:00 BingoBoingo: Unfortunately he didn't anticipate mircea_popescu's preference whereby wives be naked

22:21:01 nubbins`: "or list of losing bets"

22:21:02 nubbins`: i like it

22:21:39 mircea_popescu: i wonder what roger ver pays for a list of losing bets

22:21:48 BingoBoingo: That's a good question

22:22:14 BingoBoingo: The problem with that loan structure known is it is easy to compile hypothetical losing bets after the fact

22:22:29 mircea_popescu: that's ok, roger ver buys everything

22:22:33 mircea_popescu: he's rich, bich.

22:22:56 mod6: heh

22:23:43 BingoBoingo: If only Betbet allowed bets open longer than a Year, "Roger Ver to fall under 1 BTC in holding by 2020"

22:24:17 mircea_popescu: how would you ever verify it ?

22:24:36 BingoBoingo: Also a good question.

22:26:23 BingoBoingo: Maybe Usagi's Eternal bond can buy into the gambling loan from hell.

22:26:39 mircea_popescu: only if you talk nice to him

22:26:50 mircea_popescu: actually... he's probably in desperate need of a friend.

22:27:00 nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/canada-post-says-sorry-for-homophobic-flyer-delivery-1.2559680

22:27:00 ozbot: Canada Post says sorry for homophobic-flyer delivery - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News

22:27:04 BingoBoingo: I've probably talked mean to him in the past

22:27:29 nubbins`: interesting that they chose that for a headline, rather than "Canada Post now vetting and censoring addressed admail"

22:27:40 nubbins`: guess this means the price of stamps is going up

22:28:35 mircea_popescu: nubbins` ideally they stop delivering admail altogether.

22:28:39 mircea_popescu: that'd be a splendid measure.

22:28:46 nubbins`: would be even nicer

22:28:59 nubbins`: i'd be able to take the "no flyers please" sign off my mailbox

22:29:12 nubbins`: too much money in it tho

22:29:57 nubbins`: 40-50 cents per piece

22:30:13 mircea_popescu: perhaps i'm being silly, but i suspect there's actually a hidden barb in there. ie, superficially it seems there's too much money to give in,

22:30:24 mircea_popescu: but if you gave it up suddenly the post office wouldn't be floundering anymore.

22:30:59 mircea_popescu: consider the situation of prostitutes. while fucking random men for money is in fact more income than your average married woman makes on a day by day basis, cash in hand basis

22:31:16 mircea_popescu: nevertheless the net worth, average expenditure etc of married women exceeds that of prostitutes.

22:31:34 mircea_popescu: maybe if the post office quit being a whore it'd actually not go bankrupt every 15 years.

22:31:56 nubbins`: they're trying to phase out home delivery now, and move everyone to neighbourhood "supermailboxes"

22:32:04 nubbins`: the elderly and infirm be damned!

22:32:14 mircea_popescu: so you have to go queue for your flyers ?

22:33:01 nubbins`: http://blu.stb.s-msn.com/i/FF/CCB86F359BC0386F7CABB6137B4B.jpg

22:33:12 nubbins`: not enough of them in one spot for a queue to be necessary

22:33:32 nubbins`: (do you think flyers still get delivered to that particular box?)

22:33:51 mircea_popescu: heh

22:34:18 ninjashogun: sorry, nubbins`, just read the backlog now. I was chatting with a couple of people sorry.

22:34:40 nubbins`: ninjashogun: don't worry about it, i was kidding anyway. go fuck yourself

22:34:41 ninjashogun: I don't need 'any size loan' and we could look at the budget breakdown together as well - I would expect it to be based on real world identities and paperwork, not IRC.

22:36:21 BingoBoingo: Those seem to default more frequently than properly structured IRC loans though.

22:36:38 mircea_popescu: ok, which one of you trolls is impersonating satan over here ?

22:36:54 nubbins`: ninjashogun: consider that you might as well be walking into banks asking for a loan and providing your WoT identity

22:37:04 asciilifeform: http://pastebin.com/9Ef7F07z

22:37:04 ozbot: spamatron - Pastebin.com

22:37:26 nubbins`: lel

22:37:29 nubbins`: brb shepher's pie :D

22:37:57 ninjashogun: nubbins` Okay I'll bite. For people with real-world assets and paperwork, what on Earth benefit does ANYONE here get out of a robust WoT system existing?

22:38:16 mircea_popescu: you ever heard of this thing called bitcoin ?

22:38:20 ninjashogun: nubbins`, why is it a benefit for you that that even exists? (For cases where there is a real world identity behind both sides)

22:38:35 BingoBoingo: ninjashogun: Well just this afternoon someone supposed a deal, I took and and the thing was resolved in minutes.

22:39:06 ninjashogun: yeah mircea_popescu, I just heard of an exchange that might have just walked off with millions in deposits, because rather than rely on real world contracts to protect creditors (people who deposit) it just built an online trust model.

22:39:26 mircea_popescu: you misheard.

22:40:11 BingoBoingo: The used real world contracts to defraud, when they should have implemented a strong trust model

22:40:21 ninjashogun: BingoBoingo - if you trusted a stranger based on a WoT score and resolved a deal in a few minutes, you're very likely going to be scammed one day. It takes far longer than a few minutes to verify someone's identity that you've never met.

22:40:42 nubbins`: you're nothing if not tenacious

22:40:58 nubbins`: i'm not sure how best to express that nobody in this channel will ever, ever give you what you're looking for

22:41:07 nubbins`: almost every regular has tried

22:41:21 BingoBoingo: ninjashogun: People don't have a "WoT score" they have personalize networks. The score is the least relevant part of a WoT

22:41:23 ninjashogun: BingoBoingo - trust models can't be programmatic, or they will be games. For example someone will set up $10K just to spend on interest as they do hundreds of transactions with trusted members over a year - the only goal being to be given a $200K transaction that they then walk off with. You can't build trust programmatically.

22:41:40 mircea_popescu: actually, a better expression : over a short week, youv'e gone from some random scum nobody'd consider seriously to someone that everyone would make a point out of never doing any sort of business with. sort of from 0 to -100

22:41:56 mircea_popescu: i guess itmust be a talent.

22:42:09 asciilifeform: it is so very easy to build... distrust programmatically.

22:42:19 mircea_popescu: incredibly, but true. this can actually be done.

22:43:28 ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, well, this does not match my impression of conversations off of this channel. You seem to be the only one with a very strong view. I would humbly submit that it is due to your strong interest in one particular financial model. Of course if you start swearing at me people will dislike me.

22:44:06 ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, I've had private conversations that were just fine. It's true that you disagree with my approach and have clout here, you certainly set the tone in here, that's your right.

22:44:40 asciilifeform: actually i don't think anyone here is particularly fond of spammers and charlatans

22:44:48 mircea_popescu: that's a convenient misrepresentation.

22:45:04 mircea_popescu: im pretty sure everyone here'd manage to feed his children with or without me.

22:46:16 mircea_popescu: darn, beat to it again.

22:46:24 mircea_popescu: i really have to learn to type with both hands

22:47:41 thestringpuller: lol a lot Diablo 2 players with they could type with one hand

22:56:20 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller what are you up to these days anyway ?

22:58:48 asciilifeform: color me clueless, but i'm curious: who wrote eulora ?

22:59:40 mircea_popescu: it's a huge pile of software upon which chetty sits

23:00:15 asciilifeform: yes, i saw the bit about the uncooperative graphics libs, etc. but who wrote the remainder?

23:00:22 asciilifeform: chetty ?

23:00:46 mircea_popescu: nah, there's cal3d, which is a gfx library mostly. open source.

23:01:00 asciilifeform: remainder being the actual logic of the game

23:01:08 mircea_popescu: then there's crystal space, which is a collection of tools including networking and tons of other stuff

23:01:08 asciilifeform: there is one author, chetty?

23:01:21 mircea_popescu: only one credited so far.

23:01:26 asciilifeform: aha ok

23:02:09 mircea_popescu: why, you wanna dig into some C spaghetti ?

23:02:16 asciilifeform: just wondering which other people here commit the sin of programming.

23:02:47 mircea_popescu: i would say it's a safe bet that everyone but me

23:02:48 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: digging gratuitous C spaghetti as we speak.

23:02:53 mircea_popescu: and maybe nubbins. he draws.

23:03:23 mircea_popescu: and i guess moiety. she... hm. hey moiety do you code ?

23:04:54 wao-ender: dicktricks.blogspot.com

23:05:53 ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, I've read more of your blogs. I'm curious about one thing. Do you have any investor relationships? (On your financial or exchange site, or whatever it is.) Meaning, do you have external investors of any kind?

23:06:03 mircea_popescu: yes.

23:06:39 mircea_popescu: ;;google s.mpoe takes strategic investor

23:06:58 mircea_popescu: hm what was it called

23:07:22 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2013/smpoe-takes-strategic-investor/ there

23:07:24 ozbot: S.MPOE takes strategic investor pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

23:07:28 mircea_popescu: shame on you google.

23:07:59 mircea_popescu: wao-ender what the hell is that

23:08:46 wao-ender: manual!

23:08:59 ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, your style is 100% different from anything I've seen in my (albeit limited) interaction with business or investors. Your post quotes yourself, saying that you would not announce something publically. You post your own IRC conversation that you intend not to be public :)

23:09:17 mircea_popescu: yes, it is.

23:09:39 ninjashogun: publicly*

23:09:42 mircea_popescu: time is the essence there. everything becomes public eventually.

23:09:53 moiety: mircea_popescu: badly, i'm learning

23:10:05 mircea_popescu: moiety what are you learning ? php ?

23:10:52 ninjashogun: is that a 38,625 BTC transaction investing in s.mpoe?

23:10:57 ninjashogun: sorry I don't know how to read "assbot"

23:11:12 mircea_popescu: yes.

23:12:08 mircea_popescu: http://www.latimes.com/business/technology/la-fi-tn-1-10-americans-html-std-study-finds-20140304,0,1188415.story

23:12:08 ozbot: 1 in 10 Americans think HTML is an STD, study finds - latimes.com

23:12:15 mircea_popescu: i wonder what css is then

23:12:19 ninjashogun: well, congratulations

23:12:57 moiety: mircea_popescu: javascript, html/css (obv) and i will go into php. i'm scared of the contents page of the python book

23:13:08 asciilifeform: XX% click random box when answering survey. news at 11...

23:13:22 mircea_popescu: moiety maybe you're not the sort that learns by books, but work better with examples.

23:13:32 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's exactly 10%, which is why i quoted it.

23:13:48 mircea_popescu: "10% of respondents will lie in any study" is the adage of social sciences.

23:13:53 asciilifeform: well, YY% deliberately pick the most perverse answer

23:14:11 mircea_popescu: the fact that the author eschewed the 10% notation (which is like a symbol by now) for 1 in 10 is kind-of telling

23:14:16 mircea_popescu: they know they got nothing

23:14:18 asciilifeform: haha

23:14:47 moiety: mircea_popescu: i think you're right, goes in better to see things working rather than a mass of info for me :)

23:15:03 ninjashogun: moiety, what are you building?

23:15:11 mircea_popescu: so then work it that way. build an exchange

23:15:15 moiety: my kingdom!

23:15:45 moiety: erm just sites just now ninjashogun i think i'll know what to do more, the more i learn XD

23:16:00 asciilifeform: moiety: example - the blockchain-operated www-less exchange discussed last week (?)

23:16:24 asciilifeform: good project for beginner

23:16:37 asciilifeform: (guaranteed not to behave perversely 'under load', no web crap)

23:17:00 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so what does she do, import blockchain ?

23:17:18 ninjashogun: Chapter 1) <h1>Hello</h2> Chapter 2) p {color:black;text-align:center;} Chapter 3) alert("I am an alert box!"); Chapter 4) Putting it all together: Opening your own online exchange

23:17:50 asciilifeform: use conventional bitcoind (and litecoind, or whatever the other side of the trades is)

23:18:16 mircea_popescu: moiety you ever managed to compile bitcoin or any altcoin from source ?

23:18:30 moiety: no i haven't attempted it

23:18:31 asciilifeform: and spew forth 'listtransactions ....' and 'sendrawtransaction ....' etc

23:18:45 asciilifeform: no need for special programming language support.

23:19:01 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform your project may be outside of what she conveniently approaches.

23:19:40 asciilifeform: easier project, for complete beginner, then

23:19:49 asciilifeform: translate http://www.loper-os.org/bad-at-entropy/GD.BAS to modern programming language of your choice

23:20:15 mircea_popescu: you are possibly the worst pedagogue i have ever seen.

23:20:23 asciilifeform: hah

23:20:33 asciilifeform: what would you suggest - 'hello world' ?

23:20:34 mircea_popescu: who the fuck ever saw basic look so close to lisp anyway

23:20:39 asciilifeform: problems have to be interesting

23:20:50 asciilifeform: or student goes somewhere far away

23:21:13 moiety: i'll try this!

23:21:15 mircea_popescu: well this is true

23:21:41 mircea_popescu: moiety it can possibly be done in javascript i suppose

23:21:47 ninjashogun: asciilifeform, wtf - did you write that basic code?

23:21:54 asciilifeform: nope.

23:22:01 asciilifeform: it is far older than i.

23:22:22 asciilifeform: and was originally fortran.

23:22:24 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a wait, this is the source for the markov chain predictor innit

23:22:33 asciilifeform: righto

23:22:40 ninjashogun: okay, I'll bite. What does sp and sk and k1 stand for? I'll assume p1 and p2 are two...points...

23:22:46 mircea_popescu: didn't mike_c translate it to js just to pester me ?

23:23:03 ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, good guess! Congrats.

23:23:16 asciilifeform: the version on my page (http://www.loper-os.org/bad-at-entropy/manmach.html) is js

23:23:28 asciilifeform: a very hasty js

23:23:35 ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, yeah I was just thinking how close that basic looks to Perl. Leaevs you with the same impression :)

23:23:59 mircea_popescu: probably cause it's written by perlispers stuck in a basic body

23:24:48 asciilifeform: don't let the capital letters fool you - there is nothing peculiar about the basic

23:24:55 moiety: you just gave me the answer!

23:25:10 Namworld: I need to borrow auroracoins

23:25:16 ninjashogun: don't peek, moiety :)

23:25:17 mircea_popescu: Namworld i don't have any

23:25:23 asciilifeform: from the lulzfarm: http://cryptome.org/2014/03/ukraine-national-socialism.htm

23:25:27 Namworld: So freakishly bad

23:25:30 nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/news/dead-soldier-gets-1-cent-cheque-from-federal-government-1.2559809

23:25:31 ozbot: Dead soldier gets 1-cent cheque from federal government - Latest Hamilton news - CBC Hamilton

23:25:32 mircea_popescu: for ich bin nicht ein islandeer

23:25:32 nubbins`: BRUTAL

23:26:56 ninjashogun: no life is worthless :/

23:27:29 nubbins`: also brutal that some scumbag politicians used it as an excuse to blast the government in the house of commons

23:27:33 nubbins`: but seriously, imagine

23:27:47 nubbins`: two and a half years after your son kills himself, the government sends him a cheque for a fuckin penny

23:28:34 mircea_popescu: i imagine the costs of "making sure this never happens again" will be happily borne by everyone then

23:29:08 ninjashogun: ?I extend the apologies of ? everyone in the government to his mother. And we thank this individual for the service that he gave his country,? he said, "and are saddened by this grave error. The check was never meant to go out. Mrs. Stark, please accept our sincerest apologies - and by all means, keep the penny."

23:29:44 mircea_popescu: lmao they said that ?!

23:29:58 nubbins`: no ;(

23:30:02 moiety: omg insult to injury or what

23:30:21 nubbins`: they don't even make pennies anymore. if you cashed that at a bank, you wouldn't get anything.

23:30:23 mircea_popescu: what if they had sent him 2cent cheque ?

23:30:25 Namworld: the last part wasn't said.

23:30:34 mircea_popescu: hey, here's our 2c

23:30:39 moiety: reminds me of http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/10000332/Daughter-takes-fathers-ashes-to-bank-to-prove-he-is-dead.html

23:30:47 nubbins`: if it was 3 they'd round it to 5

23:31:35 mircea_popescu: i threatened my bank's clerk with having her write me one penny cashier checques for a few hundred lei coupla weeks back

23:31:36 Namworld: No, it only becomes acceptable at 5.50$ or higher.

23:31:37 mircea_popescu: she went pale

23:31:41 Namworld: Obviously

23:37:06 mircea_popescu: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2012/10/the_story_of_narcissus.html

23:37:07 ozbot: The Last Psychiatrist: The Second Story Of Echo And Narcissus

23:37:18 mircea_popescu: this guy's too good, for srs.

23:37:44 moiety: oh i love this blog. i was on there for ages other day after you linked it mircea_popescu

23:38:16 mircea_popescu: very smart guy.

23:38:46 mircea_popescu: he should have his own school.

23:39:12 moiety: honesty and reality amongst psychiatrists in this manner is rare, love the way he talks

23:39:38 moiety: felt like forwarding several things to doctors from my last hospital

23:39:55 moiety: (where i worked btw!!!!)

23:40:36 mircea_popescu: actually he should probably have his own country.

23:40:49 mircea_popescu: putin is ok, but what if ballas was dictator-general of latvia or something

23:42:14 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: his subjects will read the tales, and, having understood well, will seppuku from remorse (in a hidden place, so as to perform the act non-narcissistically.)

23:42:32 mircea_popescu: i dunno

23:42:54 mircea_popescu: i read them and feel roughly on par with a good session of reading the torah

23:43:12 mircea_popescu: tho arguably less demanding.

23:44:01 asciilifeform: to my shame i admit that the part with echo and narcissus reminded me of the fellow who had Eliza and Ractor talk to each other.

23:44:14 mircea_popescu: lol

23:44:15 asciilifeform: s/ractor/parry

23:44:20 mircea_popescu: who won ?

23:44:28 asciilifeform: http://www.computableminds.com/post/chatbot/eliza/parry/skynet/human-language/natural-language

23:44:29 ozbot: Eliza and Parry: When the machines talked to each other

23:44:30 asciilifeform: there we go

23:44:39 mircea_popescu: afa\ik it was actually ractor

23:44:57 mircea_popescu: wasn't it the schizzo ?

23:44:59 asciilifeform: parry

23:45:08 asciilifeform: (robo-schizzo)

23:45:21 asciilifeform: eliza (for the uninitiated - robo-shrink)

23:45:33 mircea_popescu: it was ractor tho

23:46:25 mircea_popescu: hm

23:46:33 mircea_popescu: wtf was ractor!

23:46:38 asciilifeform: PARRY: I went to the races.

23:46:38 asciilifeform: ELIZA: Please go on.

23:46:38 asciilifeform: PARRY: Do you know anything about bookies?

23:46:38 asciilifeform: ELIZA: What makes you think I know anything about bookies?

23:46:39 asciilifeform: PARRY: A bookie didn't pay me off once.

23:46:41 asciilifeform: ELIZA: What does that suggest to you?

23:46:43 asciilifeform: PARRY: I beat up the bookie who did not pay off, and I thought he might use his friends in the underworld to get even with me

23:46:47 moiety: mircea_popescu: he doesn't need a country, he needs to advise the world: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2010/01/everyone_goes_crazy_in_differe.html

23:46:51 asciilifeform: if i recall, ractor was meant to write stories

23:48:19 mircea_popescu: anyway, you're right, it was parry that was the souped up eliza

23:49:17 mircea_popescu: you know we should probably make a decoy chatroom

23:49:19 mircea_popescu: each write a bot

23:49:35 *: asciilifeform blows dust off shelf

23:49:52 asciilifeform: 'Artificial Intelligence and Literary Creativity: Inside the Mind of BRUTUS, a Storytelling Machine', Bringsjord & Ferrucci

23:49:54 *: mircea_popescu is looking to buy bot hosting nao

23:50:11 asciilifeform: good overview of the extant zoo of chatbots and shannonizers

23:50:40 mircea_popescu: i dun think i ever read it

23:50:50 asciilifeform: it's not a famous mega-work

23:52:13 ninjashogun: mirceau - could I have a copy of http://fraudsters.com/2012/lets-have-fun-with-paul-graham/ please? It was linked from this interesting http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/01/01/how-silicon-valley-could-learn-to-bitcoin-part1/ that BingoBoingo linked me.

23:52:33 mircea_popescu: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/project/ai-repository/ai/areas/classics/parry/ btw

23:52:33 ozbot: Index of /afs/cs/project/ai-repository/ai/areas/classics/parry

23:52:58 mircea_popescu: so what's wrong with clicking the link ?

23:53:04 mircea_popescu: and why do you spell my name like deprived ?

23:53:19 *: BingoBoingo wonder how long it takes to catch with ninjashogun on that BingoBoingo did not merely link the linking article, but wrote it

23:54:04 kakobrekla: ThickAsThieves i made a deal with him before he went all mental, whats the issue? he paid. at least what we agreed on the end.

23:54:10 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://pastebin.com/9Ef7F07z

23:55:23 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: poor fellow is a bit of slow learner

23:55:59 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Most people are without a gasenwagen

23:57:44 ninjashogun: asciilifeform, I considered that a private conversation.

23:58:04 ninjashogun: asciilifeform, I will say that I am glad I was on guard with you. Anyone who builds anything has to manage building it with talking about it.

23:58:15 benkay`: ninjashogun: there's no minimum IQ required for participating on the internet.

23:58:19 benkay`: :)

23:58:34 mircea_popescu: the philosophical problem would be that privacy is impossible without identity

23:58:38 ninjashogun: hi, benkay`

23:58:44 ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, could you elaborate?

23:58:56 asciilifeform: spammer wants to talk to one chump at a time

23:59:01 asciilifeform: i get it

23:59:29 benkay`: asciilifeform your chumpatron essay came up at lunch today

23:59:42 asciilifeform: for all he knows, user with handle 'asciilifeform' is not alive at all, but only a bot that spews all PM'd crap out into #bitcoin-assets an hour later.

23:59:55 mircea_popescu: ninjashogun sheep have no privacy, nor crabs nor birds. privacy is a construct of the human mind, and it is built upon identity. which you don't currently have.