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00:02:36 BingoBoingo: KLYE: Maybe talk to nubbins'

00:02:47 KLYE: Thanks BB.

00:07:37 BingoBoingo: KLYE: Given your industry I'm not sure how to take you abreviating my name that way...

00:08:15 KLYE: hahaah. Purely sexual of course.

00:08:22 KLYE: ;)

00:09:40 KLYE: Alright. I am off for a bit. Thanks for the invite to talk MP. I will be in touch. I'll also see if I can get you some "I love PM" pics for your collection

00:11:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3919 @ 0.00096577 = 3.7849 BTC [-] {2}

00:12:41 mircea_popescu: that's ok, i got plenty of those.

00:17:01 Naphex: Q:

00:17:05 Naphex: can't he just pay cam girls

00:17:11 Naphex: to have I love MP:)

00:17:14 Naphex: and show that?:p

00:18:30 mircea_popescu: obv.

00:30:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 21 @ 0.00499977 = 0.105 BTC [+]

00:34:49 Naphex: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqlvk51uS1M#t=14146

00:34:50 ozbot: MIT Bitcoin Expo 2014 - YouTube

00:35:06 benkay: ;;later tell princessnell stop making sense

00:35:07 gribble: The operation succeeded.

00:37:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3750 @ 0.00096577 = 3.6216 BTC [-]

01:02:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5850 @ 0.00096513 = 5.646 BTC [-] {2}

01:07:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00096469 = 4.0517 BTC [-]

01:24:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6005 @ 0.00096738 = 5.8091 BTC [+] {2}

01:27:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1756 @ 0.00096772 = 1.6993 BTC [+]

01:29:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1855 @ 0.00097002 = 1.7994 BTC [+]

01:33:27 kakobrekla: !jd mpif

01:33:27 assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 163.83390546 BTC; -0.04004434 BTC (-0.0244%) since last check 11h 35m 15s ago.

01:33:58 kakobrekla: this thing is more volatile than i though

01:34:02 kakobrekla: t

01:34:05 mircea_popescu: it is pretty volatile yea

01:34:42 mircea_popescu: tbh if it manages to make a couple of percents in a month i'll be happy.

01:35:23 kakobrekla: to cover for panacea losses yea

01:38:55 mircea_popescu: ima stab you in the tit.

01:43:15 kakobrekla: its not like they are made of soap

01:43:24 kakobrekla: right?

01:43:47 mircea_popescu: lol

01:45:52 mircea_popescu: http://www.rstreet.org/2014/05/01/r-street-looking-for-a-director-of-its-governance-project/

01:45:54 mircea_popescu: if anyone's bored.

01:57:42 kakobrekla: https://threatpost.com/researchers-say-accelerometers-are-perfect-for-pervasive-tracking/105886

01:59:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 130 @ 0.0009685 = 0.1259 BTC [-]

02:07:05 mircea_popescu: yeah but i mean... you have to accelerate the things

02:07:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9270 @ 0.0009685 = 8.978 BTC [-]

02:08:42 mircea_popescu: i guess it probably works just by moving around

02:16:18 asciilifeform: re: solid state gyro fingerprinting - betcha this also works with satanic rngs.

02:16:25 asciilifeform: find characteristic biases

02:19:35 mircea_popescu: maybe so

02:21:22 asciilifeform: kgb typewriter fingerprints, the famous yellow dots in colour laser printer, this crap - 'history does not repeat, but it rhymes.'

02:21:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 11 @ 0.07836389 = 0.862 BTC [-] {4}

02:27:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00097002 = 7.2752 BTC [+]

02:32:20 benkay: ;;seen jurov

02:32:20 gribble: jurov was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 13 hours, 51 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: <jurov> [13:57] <mircea_popescu> jurov on it << dun see it

02:32:27 asciilifeform: there was a paper ages ago, on device fingerprinting through acoustic artifacts (buzz speaker, see what microphone picks up)

02:32:32 asciilifeform: anyone who gives a damn can dig it up.

02:39:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6874 @ 0.00097052 = 6.6714 BTC [+] {2}

03:05:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6189 @ 0.00096878 = 5.9958 BTC [-]

03:25:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16433 @ 0.0009707 = 15.9515 BTC [+] {2}

03:51:44 cazalla: anyone played archeage?

03:56:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC [+]

03:59:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.000969 = 4.1667 BTC [-]

04:03:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4750001 BTC [-]

04:04:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00096877 = 8.5252 BTC [-] {2}

04:08:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6150 @ 0.000969 = 5.9594 BTC [+]

04:12:48 TheNewDeal: .d

04:12:48 ozbot: 8.001 billion | Next Diff in 1366 blocks | Estimated Change: 6.9161% in 8d 19h 34m 31s

04:16:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8441 @ 0.00096853 = 8.1754 BTC [-] {2}

04:17:32 TheNewDeal: anyone know if http://bitbet.us/stats/1K4FswVNus5xJZJ6TYqAzWSy3tXBBFdGnM/ is a bitbet house address?

04:17:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6659 @ 0.00096445 = 6.4223 BTC [-] {2}

04:21:23 BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: I think Mircea claimed that one in Channel as one of his personal betting addresses.

04:21:36 TheNewDeal: damn

04:23:34 TheNewDeal: they bet 57 yes to 42 no on 1 BTC >= $10,000 USD before Novermber 29th, 2014

04:24:23 BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: I think he does that on some bets to get the bets started at roughly correct odds and to encourage action on them.

04:24:44 TheNewDeal: roughly correct odds?!?!

04:25:04 TheNewDeal: i guess it was skyrocketing in price at the time

04:25:27 BingoBoingo: Well, no one knows what exact odds are going to be when these open, and events move odds over time.

04:25:37 BingoBoingo: But yeah, twas skyrocketing.

04:38:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00096426 = 4.532 BTC [-] {2}

04:41:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.00096864 = 6.393 BTC [+]

04:59:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00097044 = 12.4216 BTC [+] {3}

05:07:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 146 @ 0.00089963 = 0.1313 BTC [+] {2}

05:08:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 224 @ 0.00089986 = 0.2016 BTC [+] {2}

05:13:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00097123 = 3.3022 BTC [+] {2}

05:17:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00097138 = 5.4397 BTC [+] {2}

05:25:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 218 @ 0.00096426 = 0.2102 BTC [-]

05:26:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3382 @ 0.0009635 = 3.2586 BTC [-]

05:39:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 56 @ 0.0044 = 0.2464 BTC [-] {2}

06:01:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12250 @ 0.00096689 = 11.8444 BTC [+]

06:06:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 500 @ 0.00096689 = 0.4834 BTC [+]

06:23:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 19 @ 0.03102 = 0.5894 BTC [-]

06:26:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0330001 = 0.132 BTC [-]

06:26:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03102 = 0.1241 BTC [-]

06:28:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8510 @ 0.00096254 = 8.1912 BTC [-] {2}

06:45:16 decimation: the mice are debating whether a bell ought to be affixed to the cat: http://boingboing.net/2014/05/03/glenn-greenwald-and-michael-ha.html

07:00:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07649999 = 0.153 BTC [-]

07:26:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00084788 = 5.0025 BTC [-]

07:40:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16150 @ 0.00084788 = 13.6933 BTC [-]

07:40:18 mircea_popescu: !up arsenische

07:40:18 assbot: Voicing arsenische for 30 minutes.

07:40:21 mircea_popescu: hey there.

07:41:41 arsenische: mircea_popescu: hi

07:42:17 mircea_popescu: so i see you've dropped that notion that advertisers should follow the publishers and evaluate them one by one

07:42:37 mircea_popescu: which is a move towards sanity.

07:43:24 arsenische: yes, there should be some other way to do it

07:43:34 mircea_popescu: ok. what are your plans with the thing currently ?

07:49:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18021 @ 0.00083899 = 15.1194 BTC [-] {2}

07:50:25 arsenische: there is much work to be done. we need to find a solution for better ad unit classification and evaluation. improve accounting and statistics for advertisers.

07:51:03 mircea_popescu: currently, what's your revenue model ? you charge advertisers a % ? how much ?

07:53:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00083874 = 6.8777 BTC [-] {2}

07:53:55 fluffypony: won't that lead to an environment where advertisers cherry-pick only the especially large publishers and ignore all the little ones?

07:54:29 mircea_popescu: no, because advertisers can't possibly be arsed to do that.

07:54:44 fluffypony: well that's the other thing

07:54:56 fluffypony: were I an advertiser I'd maybe do that the first time round

07:55:00 mircea_popescu: that's the main thing :p

07:55:01 fluffypony: then be too lazy afterwards

07:55:17 fluffypony: unless you made it REALLY easy with categories

07:55:57 mircea_popescu: arsenische ?

07:56:01 fluffypony: lol

07:56:03 punkman: you want to make money rapping, better not talk like a fag: http://rappers.mdaniels.com.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com/

07:56:55 arsenische: sorry, I have poor connection

07:56:57 fluffypony: Wu-Tang up front? nice

07:56:58 mircea_popescu: punkman is there such a thing as fagrap ? i mean there's everything else, some chick introduced me to her christian rap brother.

07:56:58 arsenische: Twenty percent of all monies paid by advertisers will be considered AnonymousAds fees.

07:57:13 mircea_popescu: arsenische okay, i have a proposition for you. it goes like this :

07:57:26 arsenische: (that was a quote from https://a-ads.com/terms_of_service)

07:58:05 mircea_popescu: 1. you get in the wot, we go partners in yoru anon ads service, work it pretty much on the bitbet model. it can be listed on mpex.

07:58:32 mircea_popescu: 2. we kick out all the current publishers. we require all publishers to come here and have their platform approved to be added to a-a.

07:59:13 mircea_popescu: we'll be insanely picky, in that, only actual blogs carrying actual interesting material written by interestin people will be accepted. jurov's thing may not make the cut even.

08:00:53 punkman: mircea_popescu: there is indeed fagrap, for instance http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soce,_the_elemental_wizard

08:01:27 mircea_popescu: punkman nuts.

08:03:22 arsenische: mircea_popescu: sorry, what is bitbet model?

08:04:12 mircea_popescu: arsenische kakobrekla did the coding and maintains the codebase, he gets a signed list of bitcoin addresses to use whenever needed. i keep the books, and generally handle the business side for it.

08:05:04 mircea_popescu: http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.BBET << that is the contract, if you've never read it

08:05:05 ozbot: S.BBET last 37@0.00054000

08:05:48 mircea_popescu: !jd mpif

08:05:48 assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 163.82465569 BTC; -0.00924977 BTC (-0.0056%) since last check 6h 32m 21s ago.

08:07:02 mircea_popescu: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bmwy5O7CYAA94Si.jpg lol

08:07:17 punkman: hah

08:08:24 mircea_popescu: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmvmpI5IIAEq6LO.jpg:large how hot is this chick, esteemed chan ? on a 1 to 10 scale. ty.

08:08:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 30 @ 0.00717322 = 0.2152 BTC [-] {2}

08:09:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 20 @ 0.00717335 = 0.1435 BTC [+]

08:10:48 mircea_popescu: !up arsenische

08:10:48 assbot: Voicing arsenische for 30 minutes.

08:10:50 punkman: hmm 8 or 9, let's say 8.5

08:11:48 fluffypony: 7 tops

08:12:05 mircea_popescu: if i get 5 votes ima share my own.

08:12:25 mircea_popescu: !up JoshG

08:12:25 assbot: Voicing JoshG for 30 minutes.

08:12:32 mircea_popescu: JoshG you there ?

08:12:39 JoshG: sup

08:13:13 mircea_popescu: you the arcemu guy ?

08:13:30 JoshG: Apepars that way :p

08:13:34 JoshG: appears* ah

08:13:37 mircea_popescu: ;;ident JoshG

08:13:37 gribble: Nick 'JoshG', with hostmask 'JoshG!~hasbro@arcemu/staff/hasbro', is not identified.

08:13:49 mircea_popescu: get in the wot i'll give you a rating.

08:13:56 JoshG: wot?

08:14:16 mircea_popescu: yes, the web of trust. this thing :

08:14:22 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust Hasbro

08:14:22 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user Hasbro: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=Hasbro | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Hasbro | Rated since: never

08:14:31 arsenische: I appreciate your suggestion to focus on the most valuable publishers and get rid of all the trash. But... won't it be difficult to maintain a binary approach (accept/reject)? Maybe we could just evaluate ad units to have some "quality" attribute, and allow advetisers to set the theshold for their campaigns.

08:14:57 mircea_popescu: arsenische nah, because your thing exists to serve the advertiser, and the advertiser needs to have an absolute he can rely on.

08:15:13 mircea_popescu: showing 1mn impressions/10k clicks a day when he knows it's all bots is worth 0 to anyone.

08:15:33 Hasbro: How do I “get in” ?

08:15:42 mircea_popescu: arsenische anyway, it's a big move, feel free to think it through, ask any questions. no pressure.

08:15:57 Hasbro: ;;rate

08:15:57 gribble: (rate <nick> <rating> [<notes>]) -- Enters a rating for <nick> in the amount of <rating>. Use optional <notes> field to enter any notes you have about this user. <nick> must be the user's GPG-registered username, Your previously existing rating, if any, will be overwritten.

08:15:59 mircea_popescu: well... no pressure other than the fact that obviously i want something like this, so if you pass i'll just have someone write a ocmpetitor.

08:16:04 fluffypony: Hasbro: http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/Beginners_Guide

08:16:33 mircea_popescu: Hasbro http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/GPG_authentication

08:16:33 Hasbro: too fancy for me

08:16:35 arsenische: mircea_popescu: I will, thank you

08:16:36 mircea_popescu: either.

08:16:59 Hasbro: dcc me all your bitcodes

08:17:02 Hasbro: I’ll be here, ty

08:17:20 mircea_popescu: Hasbro lol take the advice of strangers, it's the best kind of advice you'll ever get. you wanna be in that thing.

08:17:26 fluffypony: lol dcc...that was THE WAY to get warez back in the days

08:17:45 Hasbro: mircea_popescu: trusting me would be a very bad idea

08:18:12 mircea_popescu: orly?

08:18:21 Hasbro: depends, asl?

08:19:39 mircea_popescu: i'm old and male.

08:20:39 punkman: mircea_popescu: this might be of interest http://decknetwork.net/

08:20:42 Hasbro: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zvGRNu08B4

08:20:43 ozbot: ytcracker - Warez Loder - YouTube

08:21:31 mircea_popescu: punkman by no means a novel concept, being picky.

08:22:10 mircea_popescu: heck, i've been picky all my life to surprisingly positive results. i'm not even fat.

08:22:22 punkman: rather rare in the online advertising biz though

08:22:33 mircea_popescu: so is making money.

08:23:04 mircea_popescu: you know, it's not just the bitcoin forum that works on the "least value is most visible" principle.

08:23:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2378 @ 0.00084091 = 1.9997 BTC [+]

08:26:29 bounce: "back in the day" for me is tape swapping, as dcc just wasn't fast enough

08:26:56 mircea_popescu: "back in the day" for me is plugging z80s into the tv

08:27:04 mircea_popescu: because the romanians actually broadcast stolen code over tv.

08:27:53 *: bounce heard the programs flowing through the air too. radio though, and not stolen of course. because civilised and all that. yeah.

08:28:53 mircea_popescu: fuck you and your civilised moms :D

08:28:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10463 @ 0.00084516 = 8.8429 BTC [+]

08:29:32 bounce: still have a book with bunches of hexencoded code printed, for you to type over. I perhaps should scan the thing, then see if I can't OCR and put it in an emulator.

08:30:21 fluffypony: I think I still have my C64 code book

08:30:31 fluffypony: with handwritten snippets at the back

08:30:36 mircea_popescu: bounce first blogpost!

08:30:45 bounce: o_O?

08:30:54 mircea_popescu: scan it, post it.

08:31:25 bounce: heh, right. I got plenty original material to post, just can't be arsed to find a place to post it, then post it.

08:31:50 mircea_popescu: well what if i told you there;s going to be a marvelous ad network, allowing ytou to make entire pennies each day!

08:32:54 bounce: ZOMG GOTTA GIT ON DAT GRAVVY TRAIN

08:32:55 fluffypony: s/pennies/satoshis

08:34:12 bounce: here's an idea: shared webhosting for satoshis. 10000 websites hosted on an aws micro.

08:34:28 mircea_popescu: yeah dude, totally.

08:34:36 mircea_popescu: and if i wanna punish someone, but i mean, REALLY punish them

08:34:43 mircea_popescu: i give them one week tech support on that line.

08:35:41 bounce: static only content only, obviously. I'd set it up if aws let me sign up (which they don't--need phone and cc and then the derping really starts. what do they want now, my first born?)

08:35:44 mircea_popescu: prolly work as abortifacient too

08:36:36 mircea_popescu: i used to have a first born

08:36:40 mircea_popescu: but then i signed up for an aws micro

08:37:51 bounce: as long as it's cheap, eh

08:41:21 mircea_popescu: hey, what terminally ill gpg implementation do osx folks use ?

08:41:24 mircea_popescu: i keep forgetting

08:41:57 fluffypony: standard gpg

08:42:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 3 @ 0.14 = 0.42 BTC [+]

08:42:10 fluffypony: http://brew.sh + brew install gpg

08:42:14 mircea_popescu: ty

08:43:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00084824 = 5.0046 BTC [+]

08:43:24 mircea_popescu: !up Hasbro

08:43:24 assbot: Voicing Hasbro for 30 minutes.

08:44:33 Hasbro: gpg eregister

08:44:37 Hasbro: how do I send that

08:44:50 mircea_popescu: ;;gpg eregister

08:44:50 gribble: (gpg eregister <nick> <keyid>) -- Register your GPG identity, associating GPG key <keyid> with <nick>. <keyid> is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your (1 more message)

08:54:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2121 @ 0.00084824 = 1.7991 BTC [+]

08:56:34 mircea_popescu: punkman so i checked two sites randomly from those deck guys. one doesn't load at all (http://www.yayhooray.com/) the other does not show the ads (http://butdoesitfloat.com/)

08:56:48 mircea_popescu: at 9k per month for a spot in a rotation, this is NOT being picky.

08:57:52 punkman: maybe nobody has bought ads on that

08:58:53 mircea_popescu: i could see why not.

08:58:56 punkman: no, it has ads, you just need more JS

08:59:05 mircea_popescu: lolk.

09:00:07 mircea_popescu: ;;ident Hasbro

09:00:07 gribble: Nick 'Hasbro', with hostmask 'Hasbro!~hasbro@arcemu/staff/hasbro', is identified as user 'Hasbro', with GPG key id 51D245C43C2D4FA1, key fingerprint 6BEB20114F1E24F9029A1CDE51D245C43C2D4FA1, and bitcoin address None

09:00:17 mircea_popescu: ;;rate Hasbro 1 ArcEmu guy.

09:00:19 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Hasbro has been recorded.

09:00:30 Hasbro: tyvm

09:00:31 Hasbro: <3

09:00:41 mircea_popescu: Hasbro now you can voice yourself here. reg with gribble and then pm assbot !up

09:01:51 mircea_popescu: http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/world_news/Ukraine/article1407120.ece

09:02:08 Hasbro: I think I am registered with gribble

09:02:25 BigBitz: ;;gpg info Hasbro

09:02:26 gribble: User 'Hasbro', with keyid 51D245C43C2D4FA1, fingerprint 6BEB20114F1E24F9029A1CDE51D245C43C2D4FA1, and bitcoin address None, registered on Sun May 4 04:59:28 2014, last authed on Sun May 4 04:59:28 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=Hasbro . Currently authenticated from hostmask Hasbro!~hasbro@arcemu/staff/hasbro .

09:02:26 mircea_popescu: you are, yes.

09:02:33 BigBitz: you're authed, also.

09:02:39 mircea_popescu: it expires your session if you ever blink (ie, if it doesn' see you)

09:03:00 Hasbro: damn so now you and LE have my fingerprint :/

09:03:19 mircea_popescu: your gpg fingerprint ?

09:03:31 mircea_popescu: that's an arbitrary string, you can make as many as you want.

09:03:35 BigBitz: That's public anyway, Hasbro :)

09:03:46 Hasbro: nu uh

09:03:56 BigBitz: if you load it to keyservers... yes :)

09:04:12 mircea_popescu: kinda why they're called public keys. to be public.

09:04:20 BigBitz: Public Keys mean........ public.

09:04:27 Hasbro: I’m just kiddin'

09:04:31 mircea_popescu: nu uh

09:04:36 BigBitz: YOU BETTER BE!

09:04:52 mircea_popescu: BigBitz mac ppl. what do they know of lulz.

09:04:59 *: BigBitz uses Mac :)

09:05:05 mircea_popescu: conspiraci

09:05:06 BigBitz: perhaps I just validated your point :>

09:05:12 mircea_popescu: lmao

09:05:15 Hasbro: lol

09:05:20 mircea_popescu: self validating point is self validating itself

09:05:21 *: bounce didn't use gpg key exactly because key servers

09:05:28 BigBitz: hehe

09:05:30 Hasbro: what’s wrong with key servers

09:05:39 BigBitz: bounce uploaded his private key :/

09:05:46 BigBitz: UH OH SPEGGAHITO.

09:05:47 mircea_popescu: key servers killed my auntie

09:05:57 Hasbro: lol

09:06:03 BigBitz: public flogging, mircea_popescu?

09:06:17 mircea_popescu: this is how we know the earth to be banana shaped

09:07:31 Hasbro: http://instagram.com/syndicatesbabes

09:07:32 ozbot: Instagram

09:08:10 mircea_popescu: .d

09:08:10 ozbot: 8.001 billion | Next Diff in 1335 blocks | Estimated Change: 6.7080% in 8d 15h 20m 44s

09:08:19 mircea_popescu: .bait

09:08:20 ozbot: http://37.media.tumblr.com/7f6bd0e4c2224bc96384f6a120d5985a/tumblr_n2ewzy5HMs1rphicao1_1280.jpg

09:08:35 mircea_popescu: wow a bait that didn't suck.

09:08:41 Hasbro: .bait

09:08:42 ozbot: http://31.media.tumblr.com/d7417703d56cab2d50870dcc0e16aed4/tumblr_mxzmlyZA7N1qe1pp3o1_1280.jpg

09:08:50 Hasbro: can’t fap to that

09:09:05 fluffypony: BigBitz sup

09:10:01 Naphex: morning

09:10:21 mircea_popescu: hola

09:10:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.076 = 0.228 BTC [-]

09:11:56 BigBitz: fluffypony not much bro.

09:12:09 BigBitz: sup with you ?

09:12:35 fluffypony: busy busy

09:12:51 BigBitz: counting all your money?

09:12:57 BigBitz: or is that just mircea_popescu ?

09:12:59 fluffypony: lol

09:13:19 mircea_popescu: im counting the money, he's cunting the blondies, we got a whole system

09:13:32 fluffypony: "cunting the blondies"

09:13:34 fluffypony: sounds about right

09:13:49 BigBitz: how do I get involved in this counting and cunting action?

09:13:50 Naphex: so localbitcoins got bit?;o

09:13:53 BigBitz: with preference to the cunting...

09:14:05 Naphex: what is it with people not securing their bootloader and datacenters

09:14:10 Naphex: just rebooting servers trolol

09:14:13 BigBitz: Naphex LBC has been bit a few times. I prevented their last big one.

09:14:21 BigBitz: Naphex fools be foolin'

09:14:39 mircea_popescu: Naphex yes. best part about it is the "everything's safe, we got wiped."

09:14:43 fluffypony: Naphex: it's also really shitty on the DC's part

09:14:49 BigBitz: the time the guy got away with 80BTC I found it and alerted jeramis before they lost a lot of their BTC.

09:14:52 BigBitz: so simple...

09:14:59 BigBitz: ENFORCE MFA FOR WITHDRAW, PLOX.

09:14:59 mircea_popescu: BigBitz what, you host ?

09:15:02 BigBitz: mircea_popescu no.

09:15:08 BigBitz: I secure.

09:15:34 BigBitz: DoctorBTC in -otc was talking/asking about image related malware.

09:15:36 BigBitz: I got interested...

09:15:59 BigBitz: He told me someone was stealing BTC from LBC using image based malware.

09:16:05 BingoBoingo: Oh, a-ads might do something?

09:16:14 BigBitz: they weren't.

09:16:16 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo up to arsenische atm.

09:16:39 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Interesting.

09:16:46 mircea_popescu: BigBitz what i don't get is, why the fuck would local bitcoins hold any bitcoins. just run it like craigslist, what do you want to hold on to the risk for.

09:16:57 BigBitz: enforced escrow.

09:17:06 BigBitz: makes sense; if you can secure your shit.

09:17:12 mircea_popescu: fuck that. it's nonsense. you can't enforce escrow.

09:17:16 BigBitz: adds some validitity to the trade.

09:17:25 BigBitz: mircea_popescu enforced in the sense it must be filled before it can be traded.

09:17:30 BigBitz: proof, at least, there is bitcoin available.

09:17:41 mircea_popescu: yes ok. but that can be done many other (better) ways

09:17:44 mircea_popescu: and isn't actually escrow

09:17:46 BigBitz: Yup.

09:17:48 BigBitz: I'm aware :)

09:17:55 mircea_popescu: so you know, they just eat a pie of risk for no upside.

09:18:08 mircea_popescu: but then again... hey. business isn't a skill we're born with.

09:18:13 BigBitz: speak to jereamis I think he's seen enough upside ;)

09:18:24 BigBitz: business acumen isn't rife in Bitcoin land.

09:18:35 mircea_popescu: as they say, the best way to sink a good team with a good idea is a bad revenue stream.

09:19:30 mircea_popescu: BigBitz in fact, local bitcoins could just verify a btc address signature, for the same effects, not having to hold any btc in the process.

09:19:37 cazalla: mircea_popescu: going back to KLYE discussion earlier - do you think there is a market for insex type content + bitcoin?

09:19:50 BigBitz: sure but that's as worthwhile as saying "here it is" then moving it instantly.

09:19:54 mircea_popescu: cazalla only for people who actually control a harem of willing babes.

09:20:08 BigBitz: someone hit up Dan BIlaizare.

09:20:08 punkman: did KLYE deliver the harem pic?

09:20:14 mircea_popescu: BigBitz not exactly different in effect than the pseudo-escrow.

09:20:18 mircea_popescu: punkman nah.

09:20:33 BigBitz: mircea_popescu it's not quite pseudo -- they get the coin.

09:20:40 BigBitz: IT's the release actions which have had flaws.

09:20:59 mircea_popescu: BigBitz someone explained in here why this model is very vulnerable irl.

09:21:09 mircea_popescu: "cams will see the person leave with their own item" sort of thing.

09:21:10 BigBitz: coz ppl b stuped.

09:22:28 BingoBoingo: arsenische: Oh, you run a-ads?

09:23:02 mircea_popescu: BigBitz also, kinda trivial to verify address has been meanwhile emptied, doesn't show so good on the proposed seller.

09:26:06 mircea_popescu: lol all these fucktards spending on google ads for "bitcoin" for their shitty fiat scams. "Bitcoin - Welcome Bonus, 1:10, Starting 100 ?"

09:26:13 BigBitz: lol

09:26:57 BigBitz: The world is still full of stupid people who don't know Bitcoin from sand.

09:27:54 mircea_popescu: so you're saying that the notion that someone googling bitcoin would actually fall for the most tired webscams is not exactly without basis ?

09:27:56 BigBitz: education isn't exactly non-existant but "MAKE DEM QUICK BUCKS"

09:28:27 BigBitz: I'm saying some people think they can have their cake and eat it. for free.

09:29:11 mircea_popescu: welll... they can definitely... eat it.

09:29:14 BigBitz: :)

09:29:54 BingoBoingo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eil5FNfQGfY

09:29:55 ozbot: Lil Debbie - BAKE A CAKE - Official Video - YouTube

09:29:57 mircea_popescu: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/05/03/facebook-twists-reality-again-and-risks-ruining-your-children/

09:30:02 mircea_popescu: fox news hating on oculus rift.

09:30:13 BigBitz: Fox News Hating.

09:30:18 mircea_popescu: "there is no fda in the tech space!!!11"

09:30:18 BigBitz: You need no further words, generally.

09:30:27 mircea_popescu: "think of the children!!!1"

09:30:34 BigBitz: oneEleveN

09:30:44 mircea_popescu: "Zuckerberg?s obvious theory (given that he expresses no conscious desire to do harm) is that Facebook and the Oculus VR are good businesses and good ways to communicate and have fun. My theory is that Facebook is an addictive technological drug that, like every drug, gives people temporary pleasure and, ultimately, causes many people to become psychiatrically ill."

09:31:05 mircea_popescu: right. because doctor a-blow is now allowed to put his opinions on the same table.

09:31:11 BigBitz: :|

09:31:19 mircea_popescu: "We are deploying powerful technology drugs to our young people"

09:31:30 BigBitz: "DRUGS ARE GOOD. From Facebook"

09:31:32 mircea_popescu: we. you know, doctor a-blow is... somehow, don't ask how, part of all this.

09:31:48 mircea_popescu: he like knows and shit. he's like invented google, he's in this tech thing. we.

09:32:07 BigBitz: mircea_popescu I get the impression I don't even need to be here for you to converse...

09:32:09 mircea_popescu: "Dr. Keith Ablow is a psychiatrist and member of the Fox News Medical A-Team." unintentional irony ftw.

09:32:23 mircea_popescu: BigBitz well atm i was ranting

09:32:29 BigBitz: :)

09:33:40 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo damn that short ugly thing's voice is annoying.

09:33:49 Naphex: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-03/obama-administration-launches-plan-make-internet-id-reality

09:33:50 ozbot: Obama Administration Launches Plan To Make An "Internet ID" A Reality | Zero Hedge

09:33:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07616666 = 0.2285 BTC [+] {2}

09:34:28 mircea_popescu: Naphex i gues they never heard of gpg still huh.

09:34:41 Naphex: hehe prolly

09:34:49 Naphex: they are going for x509 certificates

09:34:53 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: See, When you complain about us getting Britney Spears... Those were the bad, but not so bad days. Now we have those things.

09:35:06 mircea_popescu: ikr.

09:36:06 mircea_popescu: Naphex so they're going to pay anoither 50 bn or w/e obamacare.com cost, to have someone make them a https site ?

09:37:05 mircea_popescu: !up arsenische

09:37:05 assbot: Voicing arsenische for 30 minutes.

09:37:18 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you nut, i just realised you were asking the guy questions he had no voice.

09:37:19 BigBitz: !up mircea_popescu

09:37:19 assbot: Voicing mircea_popescu without time-limit.

09:37:24 BigBitz: w00t

09:37:27 mircea_popescu: !up urmom

09:37:27 assbot: Voicing urmom for 30 minutes.

09:37:35 mircea_popescu: should be enough for her.

09:37:42 BigBitz: Doubtful.

09:37:44 BigBitz: She's a go-er.

09:37:50 mircea_popescu: lmao

09:37:58 BigBitz: She'll fuck you, probably.

09:37:59 mircea_popescu: a wink's as good as a nudge.

09:42:06 assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 1094 @ 0.00325487 = 3.5608 BTC [+]

09:44:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00084767 = 8.5615 BTC [-]

09:47:30 Naphex: <+mircea_popescu> Naphex so they're going to pay anoither 50 bn or w/e obamacare.com cost, to have someone make them a https site ?

09:47:34 Naphex: probably

09:47:43 Naphex: thats how they do all gov eauctions everywhere

09:47:47 Naphex: with x509 and https

09:48:40 Naphex: and ofcourse all platforms are shitty, expensive, horrible

09:48:44 BingoBoingo: Don't forget the key escrow

09:51:11 mircea_popescu: Naphex what i mean is, technically speaking any https site satisfies the "it uses x509" criterion. and so, a contractor could in principle slap a lamp on a box, draw up 3 pages and there you go, invoice for 50 billion.

09:51:29 mircea_popescu: not that this isn't how it'll end up working

09:51:55 Naphex: well it will have specs attached

09:52:08 Naphex: but it will most likely use x509 certificates, and "ssl authentication"

09:52:20 Naphex: you gotta have that certificate imported and loaded to log in

09:52:27 Naphex: so thats what your gov id will be

09:55:14 Naphex: and most likely use adobe with x509 to sign/encrypt send pdf documents

09:55:15 Naphex: :))

09:57:09 Naphex: https://www.e-licitatie.ro/Public/Common/Content.aspx?f=PublicHomePage is a famous case i think ;]

09:58:34 Naphex: i think that 'portal' - thats what they call shitty webapps that cost hundreds of milions

09:58:39 Naphex: went for around 30, 40 mil eur

09:59:03 Naphex: so you get that web app, with x509 certificates/documents and thats bout it

10:00:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3050 @ 0.00084529 = 2.5781 BTC [-]

10:02:37 mircea_popescu: Naphex which is why it sucks being the government.

10:02:56 mircea_popescu: you're like that stupid kid everyone beats up and takes lunch money from. even the girls.

10:05:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 534 @ 0.00019097 = 0.102 BTC [-] {3}

10:09:10 Naphex: well imo

10:09:19 Naphex: the thing is, you can drag gov auctions forever

10:09:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5657 @ 0.00084519 = 4.7812 BTC [-] {2}

10:09:44 Naphex: so a lot of companies will just price that in their bid, pushing it up

10:11:09 Naphex: a lot of other fun stuff like corruption, inside deals, and pref specs go on as well

10:11:14 Naphex: which will just add up

10:13:00 Naphex: also companies have to finance most up front, then wait for gov money

10:19:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2525 @ 0.0001852 = 0.4676 BTC [-] {11}

10:19:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7950 @ 0.00084787 = 6.7406 BTC [+] {3}

10:22:31 Hasbro: you know it’s early am when I’m reading hair dying techniques at 622am

10:23:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1972 @ 0.00018138 = 0.3577 BTC [-] {6}

10:28:21 fluffypony: Hasbro: hair chalk is the solution

10:41:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.06474168 = 0.1295 BTC [-]

10:55:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15350 @ 0.00084516 = 12.9732 BTC [-]

11:01:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3251 @ 0.00084927 = 2.761 BTC [+]

11:16:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3407 @ 0.00084516 = 2.8795 BTC [-]

11:17:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.1405 BTC [+]

11:23:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 298 @ 0.00084516 = 0.2519 BTC [-]

11:30:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00084434 = 7.8524 BTC [-] {2}

11:46:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.0319899 = 0.2559 BTC [+]

11:57:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13350 @ 0.00084933 = 11.3386 BTC [+] {2}

12:00:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 38 @ 0.00630004 = 0.2394 BTC [-] {2}

12:06:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9350 @ 0.00084855 = 7.9339 BTC [-]

12:07:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00084854 = 5.1761 BTC [-]

12:15:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3500 @ 0.00014841 = 0.5194 BTC [-] {3}

12:16:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.07502107 = 0.9003 BTC [-] {3}

12:16:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7 @ 0.06474168 = 0.4532 BTC [-]

12:18:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.0750977 = 1.502 BTC [+] {3}

12:18:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 907 @ 0.00084854 = 0.7696 BTC [-]

12:19:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.074 = 0.148 BTC [-] {2}

12:24:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21849 @ 0.00084331 = 18.4255 BTC [-]

12:29:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.00084468 = 2.9564 BTC [+]

12:31:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07271111 = 0.1454 BTC [-] {2}

12:31:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00084275 = 11.04 BTC [-] {2}

12:33:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00084468 = 3.3787 BTC [+]

12:38:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2024 @ 0.00084115 = 1.7025 BTC [-]

12:42:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00084384 = 8.1009 BTC [+] {2}

12:50:54 FabianB: !t m S.MPOE

12:50:54 assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00083786 / 0.00091525 / 0.00097187 (488970 shares, 447.53 BTC), 7D: 0.00083786 / 0.00096558 / 0.00098485 (5245781 shares, 5,065.24 BTC), 30D: 0.00083786 / 0.00096921 / 0.00101 (19564348 shares, 18,962.04 BTC)

13:01:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.48322048 BTC [+]

13:02:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.0319899 = 0.3839 BTC [+]

13:07:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4678 @ 0.00084265 = 3.9419 BTC [-] {2}

13:15:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1495 @ 0.00014824 = 0.2216 BTC [-]

13:15:39 kakobrekla: !up PsychoticBoy

13:15:39 assbot: Voicing PsychoticBoy for 30 minutes.

13:19:53 kakobrekla: !jd mpif

13:19:54 assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 163.83914054 BTC; +0.01448485 BTC (+0.0088%) since last check 5h 14m 6s ago.

13:23:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00084728 = 3.9822 BTC [+]

13:28:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00084728 = 8.3033 BTC [+]

13:32:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2313 @ 0.00084182 = 1.9471 BTC [-] {2}

13:40:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.475 = 2.85 BTC [-]

13:45:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07502333 = 0.4501 BTC [+] {3}

13:46:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.075101 = 0.3004 BTC [+]

13:48:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.06474168 = 0.1942 BTC [-]

13:52:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13850 @ 0.00084129 = 11.6519 BTC [-] {2}

13:56:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.075101 = 1.2016 BTC [+]

14:03:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.075101 = 0.751 BTC [+]

14:24:23 ThickAsThieves: look at this bullshit https://twitter.com/TheRealAltcoin/status/462960434652667905

14:24:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9676 @ 0.00084635 = 8.1893 BTC [+] {2}

14:24:54 ThickAsThieves: she's "Director of Public Affairs" for BTCFoundation

14:26:45 ThickAsThieves: jurov has a blog?

14:27:29 BigBitz: Still...

14:27:31 BigBitz: you'd fuck her.

14:28:07 fluffypony: "Happily married // Committed to ever after // Champion for innovative technology & policies that empower people // Director of Public Affairs"

14:28:09 ThickAsThieves: lol, she leads her twitter description with

14:28:10 fluffypony: lawlz.

14:28:12 ThickAsThieves: you beat me to it

14:28:44 BigBitz: :)

14:28:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.0008466 = 6.9421 BTC [+]

14:28:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1400 @ 0.00014888 = 0.2084 BTC [-]

14:29:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.06474168 = 0.1942 BTC [-]

14:32:59 pankkake: jurov's blog is http://explo.yt/

14:43:15 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves lol.

14:43:23 mircea_popescu: lying is a scammer's true nature.

14:45:31 ThickAsThieves: oh yeah i forgot jurov had a blog cuz i filed it under MPEx tutorials

14:48:23 mircea_popescu: since when is the alleged foundation supporting ripple anyway

14:49:19 ThickAsThieves: surely they are plutonium level members

14:49:26 mircea_popescu: so ?

14:49:32 ThickAsThieves: pay to play

14:49:52 mircea_popescu: what, if bin laden becomes a tritium level member they're going to support bombing tall ny buildings ?

14:50:10 asciilifeform: osmium level.

14:50:12 ThickAsThieves: i thought you supported no-moderation advertising?!

14:50:53 ThickAsThieves: speaking of which, i wanna serve bitbet mike_c dynamic ads

14:50:55 ThickAsThieves: halp

14:51:44 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves srsly.

14:51:48 ThickAsThieves: i have the biggest and most hits in the paraverse

14:51:57 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves understand tho : this is moderated as to venue, not as to content.

14:52:00 mircea_popescu: exactly opposite

14:53:17 ThickAsThieves: i'm just playin re BTCFundnation

14:53:29 ThickAsThieves: shilling aint advertising

14:53:40 ThickAsThieves: well it is

14:53:41 ThickAsThieves: but

14:53:45 ThickAsThieves: yknow

14:54:29 ThickAsThieves: my blog has 56 unique users, is that good?

14:54:47 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves it's sort-of good.

14:54:56 ThickAsThieves: i could probably add a hundred or so if i plugged it to the forum

14:55:07 ThickAsThieves: but i dont want stalkers and trolls

14:55:13 mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/awstats-and-stuff/

14:55:14 ozbot: Awstats and stuff pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

14:55:20 mircea_popescu: there, you got lamp, you prolly got awstats

14:55:57 ThickAsThieves: dammit you killed my cookie again

14:56:10 mircea_popescu: i did not kill no cookies

14:56:13 mircea_popescu: i just eat them

14:57:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 4 @ 0.1405 = 0.562 BTC [+]

14:57:56 ThickAsThieves: hmm does cookie eating coincide with header gfx changes?

14:58:19 ThickAsThieves: you have mircerberus art now

14:59:17 ThickAsThieves: holy shit you have 240k unique users?!

14:59:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 771 @ 0.0008426 = 0.6496 BTC [-]

14:59:31 mircea_popescu: it's the web you know ?

14:59:59 ThickAsThieves: well i'm still gonna treat you normal, your head is big enough

15:00:03 ThickAsThieves: and now you have 3

15:00:37 mircea_popescu: lol

15:01:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03130001 = 0.1565 BTC [-] {2}

15:15:19 artifexd: Need more proof that mircea_popescu is the Chuck Norris of finance? Apparently he can divide by zero. Ref: http://trilema.com/2014/smg-april-2014-statement/

15:15:47 mircea_popescu: artifexd wait wut ?

15:16:36 artifexd: P/E is "Price divide by earnings", right? Zero earnings means dividing by zero.

15:17:27 artifexd: Wait. Nevermind. My eyes jumped ahead of my brain.

15:18:00 mircea_popescu: "The P/E implied value per share is thus 0 BTC." unzips, depacks and deflates as "the value of each share calculated on the basis of the P/E of this company so far would be 0"

15:20:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11132 @ 0.00084585 = 9.416 BTC [+] {2}

15:31:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07649999 = 0.153 BTC [+]

15:54:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4024 @ 0.00084781 = 3.4116 BTC [+]

16:00:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.64309480 BTC to 8`410 shares, 31428 satoshi per share

16:28:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.032 = 0.224 BTC [+] {2}

16:43:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.03300011 = 0.132 BTC [-]

16:55:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]

17:12:23 bitcoinpete: ;;later tell punkman now i wanna catch up on some wu tang clan!

17:12:23 gribble: The operation succeeded.

17:12:42 fluffypony: all you need is a vocab of 9k words!

17:13:34 kakobrekla: !jd mpif

17:13:35 assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 163.89471781 BTC; +0.05557727 BTC (+0.0339%) since last check 3h 53m 41s ago.

17:13:54 mircea_popescu: ha!

17:14:33 BingoBoingo: whelp, just got back from the hospital

17:14:54 mircea_popescu: did you hit on the nurses or did they hit on you

17:14:54 fluffypony: BingoBoingo: are you HIV aladeen or HIV aladeen?

17:15:10 bitcoinpete: fluffypony: ha!

17:15:19 bitcoinpete: i have some aladeen news for you

17:15:25 BingoBoingo: fluffypony: DIdn't test for that. Instead I was diagnosed with aladeen.

17:15:30 fluffypony: you are...HIV aladeen...

17:15:37 mircea_popescu: wtf is this aladeen mangosteen

17:15:38 fluffypony: :) ... :( ... :) ... :/

17:16:00 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Reference to some Jew movie

17:16:01 bitcoinpete: my body double's latest movie: the dictator

17:21:50 bitcoinpete: "Sacha Baron Cohen attended The 84th Annual Academy Awards (2012) in character and full costume as Aladeen, accompanied by his "virgin guards". While giving an interview on the red carpet to an unsuspecting Ryan Seacrest he brandished an urn he claimed to contain the remains of deceased North Korean dictator Jong-il Kim. Cohen then spilled the ashes all over Seacrest's tuxedo. As a result, Cohen was banned from entering the auditori

17:21:50 bitcoinpete: or participating in the events."

17:22:13 fluffypony: totally not a setup at all

17:22:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2750 @ 0.0008499 = 2.3372 BTC [+] {2}

17:23:04 bitcoinpete: meh promo

17:23:11 mircea_popescu: he didn't even have a ticket

17:24:22 bitcoinpete: General Aladeen: [to his pregnant wife] Are you having a boy or an abortion?

17:26:06 mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/embed/NYJ2w82WifU

17:26:06 ozbot: THE DICTATOR - HIV Aladeen - YouTube

17:27:36 fluffypony: lol bitcoinpete

17:28:56 Framedragger: i've to admit, even though this chan is full of pompastic arrogant fucks, the content is pretty sweet

17:30:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43244 @ 0.00084497 = 36.5399 BTC [-] {7}

17:31:22 fluffypony: lol

17:33:22 mircea_popescu: hello to you too Framedragger

17:33:30 Framedragger: long time

17:33:36 mircea_popescu: ;;google pompastic

17:33:37 gribble: THE WORDORIUM - A Dictionary of Daffy Definitions: POMPASTIC: http://www.wordorium.blogspot.com/2005/03/pompastic.html; pompastic! on Pinterest: http://www.pinterest.com/missjohnnam/pompastic/; Ashish prints and pom poms | Graphic Prints / Clashing colours | Pint…: http://www.pinterest.com/pin/448741550340772181/

17:33:49 mircea_popescu: ;;google where is vragnaroda to teach this guy grammer.

17:33:49 gribble: No matches found.

17:33:53 mircea_popescu: sadly.

17:34:13 Framedragger: gribble fails at google

17:34:14 pankkake: the correct form is… pompatic?!

17:34:19 Framedragger: first hit here is http://www.wordorium.blogspot.com/2005/03/pompastic.html

17:34:30 mircea_popescu: mr bombastik pretty fantastik...

17:34:33 Framedragger: which actually provides some sense

17:35:07 Framedragger: i choose the "to shake a pompom vigorously" interpretation

17:36:03 Framedragger: i guess closest 'legit' match is http://etymonline.com/index.php?term=pomposity&allowed_in_frame=0

17:36:14 mircea_popescu: so you just meant pompous ?

17:36:30 fluffypony: pompous-nisity

17:36:52 Framedragger: i guess. i just made a literal mapping from own tongue onto english. but english failed on me :( so, "pompous"

17:37:10 mircea_popescu: the mapping failed you!

17:37:12 fluffypony: close enough

17:37:13 pankkake: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/pompatic a.1.Pompous

17:37:14 ozbot: Pompatic - definition of Pompatic by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

17:37:28 Framedragger: aha.

17:38:23 bitcoinpete: "FXBTC said that long-term financial losses stemming from what it termed a “blockade” by the PBOC resulted in the management team deciding to end the service."

17:38:33 bitcoinpete: http://www.coindesk.com/chinese-bitcoin-exchange-fxbtc-to-close-citing-central-bank-pressure/ <<another one bites the dust

17:38:48 mircea_popescu: heh.

17:39:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.0008418 = 10.0174 BTC [-]

17:50:42 bitcoinpete: "Russian or Ukrainian" buyer snaps up £140m flat at 1 hyde park and BoE screams "top!"

17:50:42 bitcoinpete: http://www.bbc.com/news/business-27253097

17:50:43 ozbot: BBC News - Bank of England warns on house price 'correction'

17:54:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.0044012 = 0.11 BTC [-] {2}

17:56:36 chetty: http://news.yahoo.com/russian-bombers-fighter-jets-seen-over-crimea-143320553.html;_ylt=AwrTWVXoVWZThysAFHrQtDMD

17:56:37 ozbot: Russian bombers, fighter jets 'seen over Crimea' - Yahoo News

17:59:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 66 @ 0.00199999 = 0.132 BTC [+] {3}

18:00:26 bitcoinpete: http://www.chinatopix.com/articles/1814/20140417/china-prepares-massive-investments-crimea.htm#.U1UydF9eYHA.twitter

18:00:26 ozbot: China Prepares Massive Investments in Crimea : World : ChinaTopix.com

18:01:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 28 @ 0.00441948 = 0.1237 BTC [+] {2}

18:08:42 benkay: re garding fox news: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-LZpVr4hhxjE/U2QMGWIaWXI/AAAAAAAAGaM/Xj1VBJMyS-0/s1600/Fox+Obamacare.jpg

18:09:20 mircea_popescu: so much win.

18:10:57 benkay: stories from the loltron

18:11:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13162 @ 0.00084314 = 11.0974 BTC [+] {2}

18:11:29 kakobrekla: http://www.kcna.co.jp/item/2014/201404/news30/2014-0430-23ee.html

18:12:25 benkay: client wants to do a thing with asymmetric crypto on the major mobile platforms, my guys are handling the ios side. apple provides a handy dandy set of apis for generating keys (your second 4096 bit key on a bleeding edge iphone will take over a minute to gather 'adequate' 'entropy', btw).

18:12:31 bounce: so... the chinese knew (or suspected) about the crimea thing beforehand? and that nevada thing, does that mean the poor farmer gets his cattle back now?

18:13:18 benkay: apple's api's are more than happy to give you the raw bytes of the private key, but it seems they then forgot to build out the calls to import that key back into their play-pi.

18:13:40 benkay: guess what the client's considering

18:13:44 benkay: come on guess

18:13:53 bounce: "give benkay mo' moneis"

18:13:56 mircea_popescu: lol

18:14:04 benkay: well that's a given, bounce no points

18:14:23 bounce: the rest is your problem. :-p

18:14:40 benkay: (they're dangerously savvy and like to help make decisions).

18:14:50 benkay: BUT SRSLY MOAR GUESSES

18:14:52 benkay: i'll tell after two

18:14:57 mircea_popescu: install windows on ios ?

18:15:03 benkay: getting close

18:15:08 benkay: does have to do with known turds

18:15:10 mircea_popescu: install macosx on ios ?

18:15:20 bounce: generating 4kbit keys takes over a minute? try validating a 1kbit signature on a z80 (certain ti calculators with signed firmware)

18:15:21 benkay: ios is already stripped down macos, troll

18:15:33 mircea_popescu: how does your client know this.

18:15:44 mircea_popescu: bounce the chinese knew.

18:15:52 mircea_popescu: that they knew you knew the moment they didn't say anything.

18:15:57 benkay: rolling openssl into the project

18:16:15 mircea_popescu: openssl is not in ios ?!

18:16:24 bounce: for extra safety, sure, why not

18:16:27 benkay: http://cdn.niketalk.com/5/51/51df70cf_tumblr_lm8xntfhTT1ql141xo1_400.gif

18:16:54 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla kokobakukan.com

18:17:16 kakobrekla: what, the thing is amazing.

18:17:16 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

18:17:19 mircea_popescu: "What?s ?kokobakukan??! ?kokobakukan?is the space that there are interesting things for you."

18:18:38 mircea_popescu: http://explosm.net/db/files/Comics/Kris/honey2.png

18:20:17 mircea_popescu: Charles Gasparino @CGasparino ? 1h never heard @felixsalmon or @cafreeland bemoan working class kids priced outta williamsburg but God forbid it happens to hipsters in SF

18:20:20 mircea_popescu: guy has a point.

18:23:47 benkay: <Framedragger> i've to admit, even though this chan is full of pompastic arrogant fucks, the content is pretty sweet << pompastic you say? quite the portmanteau.

18:24:25 benkay: pompous + bombastic?

18:24:51 benkay: wth asses

18:24:54 benkay: pathetic logs this morning

18:25:48 Framedragger: yeah, pretty much that

18:26:17 mircea_popescu: http://clientsfromhell.net/post/84718913347/client-i-uploaded-the-twitter-background-you-sent

18:28:20 benkay: is it my eyes or are the winklevii doing something useful? http://winkdex.com/#/

18:28:31 benkay: mircea_popescu: let me know how broken it is without js

18:28:54 mircea_popescu: http://clientsfromhell.net/post/84616669366/client-this-html-email-template-you-did-doesnt

18:28:58 mircea_popescu: that goes to you.

18:29:32 benkay: fired.

18:29:35 mircea_popescu: benkay what's useful about that exactly ?

18:29:43 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker on a website ?

18:29:43 gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitstamp. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure (1 more message)

18:30:06 benkay: well is somewhere in between the bloomberg quote and ;;ticker, no?

18:30:31 mircea_popescu: it's somewhere betweet "unadulterated nonsense" and "who gives a shit", but sure.

18:30:46 benkay: lawdy

18:30:56 benkay: bitcoincharts.org nonsense as well then?

18:31:14 Framedragger: hah, check out their bios on http://winkdex.com/#/about

18:31:18 mircea_popescu: i have no idea who those are.

18:31:23 mircea_popescu: Hmm, bitcoincharts.org isn't loading right now.

18:31:46 Framedragger: at least they have a sense of humour (maybe)

18:31:52 benkay: dot com dot butts

18:32:36 benkay: hey mircea_popescu on an entirely different topic what was this situation where romania just gave oodles of cash away to 'businessmen' once upon a time? sounds like quite the story.

18:32:42 mircea_popescu: benkay http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2014#506512

18:32:56 mircea_popescu: benkay context ?

18:33:28 kakobrekla: Framedragger you dont work in IT do you... ever heard of redundancy?

18:33:36 Framedragger: ;)

18:33:47 fluffypony: [20:16:16] mircea_popescu: openssl is not in ios ?! <- they implement Open Group's CDSA/CSSM, they hate OpenSSL because it doesn't maintain a stable API between versions

18:33:59 Framedragger: their twitter images are also symmetrical

18:34:03 Framedragger: call it 'sharding'

18:34:25 mircea_popescu: fluffypony good reason to hate it, incidentally.

18:34:32 fluffypony: agreed

18:34:53 fluffypony: there was a quote about it

18:35:12 fluffypony: "Apple does keep an older version of OpenSSL around that isn't vulnerable to the exploit. Safely chained to a wall. In the dungeon. It prods it with sticks now and again to make sure it's still breathing."

18:35:25 benkay: mircea_popescu: your comment was along the lines of 'romania gave a bunch of money to basically anyone who showed up claiming to be a businessman and a bunch of guys blew it in advertising'

18:35:37 benkay: iirc you also made a comment about massive gold reserves in proximity

18:35:42 mircea_popescu: benkay a, was a more complex discussion, see the whole log.

18:35:50 mircea_popescu: that was after the revolution, early 90s

18:36:20 benkay: ayeah, trying to find it.

18:38:34 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla ahaha only now i get the joke. lmao.

18:38:47 mircea_popescu: "invest with the twinkletoss brothers! there's a spare included!"

18:39:00 kakobrekla: ;)

18:42:15 danielpbarron: is it safe to assume that a user operating a pass-through for MPEx has a lot to lose if he were to decide to run with the money? To clarify, is it MPEx's official policy to publically shame and/or revoke access for such a user?

18:43:03 benkay: identity operating the mpex keys will be toast for sure.

18:43:05 mircea_popescu: in general you'd expect the rotten pt operator to withdraw everything from mpex before he actually runs.

18:43:30 danielpbarron: mircea_popescu: but would his access be void? (value of 30 BTC)

18:43:32 benkay: but mircea_popescu wouldja revoke the keys?

18:43:34 mircea_popescu: yes.

18:44:08 kakobrekla: if you know who it is

18:44:12 danielpbarron: nice :D

18:44:37 mircea_popescu: well you gotta know who he is.

18:44:41 mircea_popescu: how could you not

18:44:51 benkay: you gotta know the keyid he's using, non?

18:45:09 benkay: kinda the point of mpex - put down 30B, get access no questions asked.

18:45:12 danielpbarron: I don't need to know, but i'm confident MPEx could figure that one out

18:45:20 kakobrekla: but mpex cant

18:45:24 mircea_popescu: you shouldn't be confident mpex will figure anything.

18:45:43 mircea_popescu: but if you ever asked your pt op for a mpex signed stat, for instance, you should know

18:46:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1160 @ 0.00084176 = 0.9764 BTC [-]

18:46:36 benkay: pt ops should be considered bad actors if they refuse to provide those, then. no amount of 'gotta preserve the secrecy of my keys with mpex' allowed.

18:46:49 danielpbarron: i agree

18:46:52 mircea_popescu: well it's entirely up to you.

18:47:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3140 @ 0.00084118 = 2.6413 BTC [-]

18:47:04 kakobrekla: yeah but you can go to buttfucker and post a passthrough as evedence present a malfucked pgp signature which none of the 'investors' know how to check anyway and thats that

18:48:13 chetty: no way around the basics, due diligence and trust

18:48:27 mircea_popescu: well nobody forces anyone to not know / not think / etc

18:52:04 danielpbarron: for example: a user is in the WoT, and has a rating of 3 or more given by mircea_popescu, describing him as an operator of a specific pass-through; is it safe to trust this user on that information alone?

18:52:27 mircea_popescu: no.

18:52:28 fluffypony: not enough information given

18:52:56 mircea_popescu: it's never safe to trust.

18:53:02 danielpbarron: doesn't this necessarily mean that MPEx knows the user's credentials, and could disable them if it turned out to be a scam?

18:53:10 mircea_popescu: no, it does not.

18:53:23 mircea_popescu: you can find out what it means by asking the rater what they meant.

18:53:38 mircea_popescu: you're not at liberty to arbitrarily decide what someone else's rating means.

18:53:39 danielpbarron: ok, mircea_popescu what did you mean when you rated jurov?

18:53:42 fluffypony: danielpbarron: I think part of the WoT is extrapolation of information upon which a conclusion can be drawn, and sometimes that information needs to be expanded by talking to the rater

18:54:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 24 @ 0.03388422 = 0.8132 BTC [+] {2}

18:54:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0316409 = 0.1266 BTC [-]

18:54:24 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron i meant the guy has been operating a mpex broker for about two years now, it never ran into any difficulty, and met him twice in person

18:54:56 danielpbarron: mircea_popescu: do you know which GPG key he uses to place orders on MPEx?

18:55:00 mircea_popescu: ;;rated jurov

18:55:00 chetty: danielpbarron, do you trust yourself to never eat that piece of chocolate cake you know you shouldn't have?

18:55:00 gribble: You rated user jurov on Mon Apr 21 06:09:46 2014, with a rating of 5, and supplied these additional notes: Years of promises kept..

18:55:12 danielpbarron: chetty: 99.99%, ya

18:55:21 mircea_popescu: i'm pretty sure (5/10) that i know enough of the guy to have an opinion, and that opinion is he should be trustworthy.

18:55:54 chetty: danielpbarron, that I think is the point - trust has degrees, you should be aware of them

18:56:22 mircea_popescu: dun tell me jurov ran off ?!

18:56:46 danielpbarron: lol probably not; just doing some due dilligence

18:56:53 bounce: what, like kevin bacon or something? *confused*

18:57:10 benkay: i mean i been trying to get ahold of him all weekend, but that was after he said he was going to be unavailable all weekend

18:57:25 mircea_popescu: lol

18:57:32 danielpbarron: that's a good thing, right?

18:57:41 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron sure.

18:57:46 bounce: man of his word. he breaks it, you derate him.

18:57:48 danielpbarron: keeping his word

18:57:56 benkay: but that's all any of us are.

18:58:04 mircea_popescu: i thought you meant doing your dd as a good thing.

18:58:22 danielpbarron: that too, but I wasn't unsure of that one

19:02:18 mircea_popescu: it's a finicky thing, too.

19:03:12 mircea_popescu: http://www.deadline.com/2014/05/white-house-correspondents-dinner-2014-live-blog/

19:03:12 ozbot: White House Correspondents' Dinner 2014 -- Live Blog

19:08:31 mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/embed/idrrdgjETxY << guy's actually real bad.

19:08:31 ozbot: Joel McHale at the 2014 White House Correspondents' Dinner (HD Complete) - YouTube

19:13:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.07520012 = 0.6016 BTC [-] {2}

19:14:24 benkay: who's the author of that piece on why women don't go into the sciences?

19:14:29 benkay: !up gesell

19:14:29 assbot: Voicing gesell for 30 minutes.

19:14:33 benkay: !up gesell2

19:14:33 assbot: Voicing gesell2 for 30 minutes.

19:14:55 mircea_popescu: https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/454333198307061760/HrKaTPLj.jpeg << dude all the work they put into making that prude vaguely appear sexy

19:19:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11184 @ 0.00084376 = 9.4366 BTC [+]

19:20:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0752 = 0.3008 BTC [-]

19:20:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3166 @ 0.00084743 = 2.683 BTC [+]

19:20:37 benkay: asciilifeform: would you grace me with a link to that piece explaining why women look at the sciences and run screaming in the opposite direction?

19:21:50 mircea_popescu: ?You guys sound like you are on a roller coaster right now, McHale said to the crowd as they groaned to another one of his flopped jokes."

19:22:03 mircea_popescu: if only that rust chick whatever her name was were there to stand up and derp.

19:22:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5697 @ 0.00084743 = 4.8278 BTC [+]

19:22:37 mircea_popescu: "please not to refer to all the unemployable women here hoping for a good marriage by a term implying we're thai ladyboys"

19:23:52 davout: benkay: that what you're thinking of ? -> http://philip.greenspun.com/careers/women-in-science

19:28:24 benkay: davout: many thanks

19:32:34 benkay: http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303380004579520041301275638?mod=WSJ_hp_RightTopStories&mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702303380004579520041301275638.html%3Fmod%3DWSJ_hp_RightTopStories

19:34:52 benkay: i get it! mircea_popescu's farming slavegirls to keep himself looking young forever: http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303417104579541950544978572?mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702303417104579541950544978572.html

19:35:52 benkay: "Findings from both research groups grew out of experiments in which the blood circulation systems of old and young mice were surgically connected, in a manner akin to Siamese twins. In such experiments, older mice essentially got younger while younger mice got older."

19:35:54 benkay: eeeeew

19:38:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 18 @ 0.032 = 0.576 BTC [+] {2}

19:39:08 mircea_popescu: you sayin' i got woman blood ?

19:39:43 mircea_popescu: !up transfix

19:39:43 assbot: Voicing transfix for 30 minutes.

19:39:43 benkay: probably don't want to cross the hormonal streams

19:41:37 mircea_popescu: Naphex http://trilema.com/2011/test-de-cultura-sociala/#comment-64793 ("e pe investitii")

19:44:06 jurov: evening all

19:44:57 jurov: i did not ran off, just went away for a weekend

19:45:07 fluffypony: jurov: willkommen

19:45:12 jurov: hunting bears and manuls

19:45:19 Apocalyptic: sounds like fun

19:45:39 jurov: with horrible internet, ofc all hell broke loose on the server

19:45:40 Apocalyptic: you've seen Gasparovic ?

19:45:48 davout: jurov: what's a manul?

19:46:02 moiety: you rang? ... i heard bears and manuls

19:46:09 jurov: davout you dont read teh logs?

19:46:14 Apocalyptic: rumour has it he likes to hunt bears and /collegues/

19:46:31 moiety: manuls hunt you jurov

19:46:46 davout: jurov: nah, was on a week end too :D

19:47:04 davout: except french style week end, five days long

19:47:11 fluffypony: davout: http://i.imgur.com/tNaMm.jpg

19:47:16 fluffypony: that glorious animal

19:47:16 mircea_popescu: they did that shit here too, may 1-4

19:47:16 jurov: moiety, can you poignantly explain to him?

19:47:33 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic sorry, who ?

19:47:38 jurov: oh fluffy did

19:48:05 jurov: gasparovic is slovak soon to be expresident, what he did?

19:48:21 mircea_popescu: oic

19:48:48 moiety: they will rip your face off without a second thought Apocalyptic :D

19:49:12 fluffypony: moiety: not the derpy ones

19:49:14 Apocalyptic: dem manuls

19:49:16 jurov: lol this got tangled beyond repair

19:49:19 fluffypony: they'll just lick you to death

19:49:37 Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, jurov i'm refering to this incident when one of his fellow hunter was killed during a hunt

19:49:40 moiety: no such thing... just sleeping ones

19:50:13 moiety: lol jurov

19:50:13 jurov: Apocalyptic: and then mr.president was on retconned vacation in croatia? oh yes

19:50:22 Apocalyptic: yes jurov

19:50:50 davout: fluffypony: ty!

19:52:00 jurov: also, just to throw in another unrelated topic.. benkay, you're the third nigga i had to scream "but i dun have test mpex what do i doooooooo!!!!"

19:52:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1689 @ 0.00084743 = 1.4313 BTC [+]

19:52:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 43 @ 0.03245072 = 1.3954 BTC [+] {5}

19:52:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.03300105 = 0.33 BTC [-]

19:52:43 jurov: (context: i''m trying to hire someone to improve MPExAgent)

19:52:54 jurov: (and benkay is the last one so far)

19:53:07 assbot: [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 744 @ 0.00021725 = 0.1616 BTC [+]

19:53:22 kakobrekla: whats wrong with mpexagent

19:53:48 jurov: i want round cornerz

19:54:05 fluffypony: jurov: and responsive HTML 5 animation?

19:54:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00084743 = 6.8642 BTC [+]

19:54:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.NSA] 867 @ 0.00015 = 0.1301 BTC [-]

19:54:10 fluffypony: with jQuery!

19:54:19 jurov: yup. and http auth. and botstrip

19:54:27 jurov: and sockets

19:54:33 fluffypony: NODE.jquery

19:54:33 jurov: er.websockets

19:54:34 mircea_popescu: clearly all this needs mpex sadbox. o.O

19:54:43 jurov: indeed it does

19:54:47 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: a sadbox is where Jimmothy goes

19:54:57 jurov: at leats niggaz.txt needz that

19:54:59 mircea_popescu: kik

19:57:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 213 @ 0.00053999 = 0.115 BTC [-]

20:01:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 590 @ 0.00084743 = 0.5 BTC [+]

20:02:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5490 @ 0.00084392 = 4.6331 BTC [-]

20:02:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 462 @ 0.00053999 = 0.2495 BTC [-]

20:03:26 jurov: ooooh SatoshiJack sent me some dough...gotta learn blackjack someday, never played it :)

20:03:59 mircea_popescu: !up bitcoingirl

20:03:59 assbot: Voicing bitcoingirl for 30 minutes.

20:04:15 mircea_popescu: bitcoingirl hey there.

20:04:18 assbot: [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 1150 @ 0.00021725 = 0.2498 BTC [+]

20:04:22 bitcoingirl: hey

20:04:25 mircea_popescu: you type in the lower box and hit enter aha!

20:04:31 bitcoingirl: ok got it

20:04:36 bitcoingirl: this is a new experience for me

20:04:44 mircea_popescu: learn something new every day!

20:04:50 bitcoingirl: just hope my ip isn't getting hacked right now

20:04:53 fluffypony: jurov: I suck at it

20:04:56 mircea_popescu: so, im looking for a mpex ambassador. dja know what mpex i ?

20:04:59 mircea_popescu: is*

20:05:18 bitcoingirl: http://mpex.co

20:05:18 ozbot: MPEx, the Bitcoin securities exchange.

20:05:21 mircea_popescu: exactly.

20:05:26 bitcoingirl: where is this based

20:05:31 bitcoingirl: what country

20:05:34 mircea_popescu: it's not based anywhere, it's a bitcoin corp.

20:05:44 jurov: in Transnistria

20:06:10 mircea_popescu: anyway, the deal would be : you go to whatever bitcoin conferences you feel like, i'll cover your entrance fee. you talk to people, explain stuff to them.

20:06:16 mircea_popescu: i'll give you a pile of facts to work with.

20:06:22 bitcoingirl: i do that

20:06:39 bitcoingirl: i *can do that

20:06:47 jurov: and i'll give you coinbr discount coupons

20:06:57 diametric: anyone heard of Bitcoin Armory?

20:07:04 mircea_popescu: bitcoingirl alrighty, when do you want to start ?

20:07:08 mircea_popescu: diametric sure.

20:07:23 bitcoingirl: lets start at Amsterdam conference

20:07:32 bitcoingirl: 2 weeks away

20:07:34 mircea_popescu: cool idea. maybe ThickAsThieves shows up there too.

20:07:51 diametric: mircea_popescu: have an opinion?

20:07:58 mircea_popescu: diametric they're not awful.

20:08:00 diametric: i'm still researching, but i just learned they're based about 15 minutes from my house.

20:08:21 bitcoingirl: i don't know what thickastheives is

20:08:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.033 = 0.198 BTC [-] {3}

20:08:39 mircea_popescu: bitcoingirl it's the irc nick of john carvalo, a bitcoin guy.

20:08:54 mircea_popescu: i mentioned his name because many irc clients blink if you'r ementioned, and so he knows.

20:09:12 mircea_popescu: bitcoingirl do you have a blog somewhere, i forget ?

20:09:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0316409 = 0.3164 BTC [-]

20:09:24 bitcoingirl: on Forbes

20:09:30 mircea_popescu: link ?

20:09:45 bitcoingirl: http://www.forbes.com/sites/perianneboring/

20:09:45 ozbot: Perianne Boring - Boring Economics - Forbes

20:09:48 mircea_popescu: a ty

20:10:06 Duffer1: great photo

20:10:11 mircea_popescu: did you ever use gpg ?

20:10:15 mircea_popescu: Duffer1 yeah she looks a million.

20:10:50 mircea_popescu: bitcoingirl you ever use gpg ?

20:10:53 bitcoingirl: i don't know hat irc nick means

20:10:54 bitcoingirl: no

20:11:21 mircea_popescu: ok, one at a time. irc is the network we're in. it's like a sort of skype, only works a lot better.

20:11:32 mircea_popescu: a nick is a name. for instance, your nick is bitcoingirl

20:11:40 bitcoingirl: and multiple people are viewing our conversation?

20:11:45 mircea_popescu: currently, yes.

20:11:53 Duffer1: everyone you see on the left

20:12:06 mircea_popescu: there's a list of them to the right (oir left). there's also the channel logs, which plenty of people read.

20:12:11 bitcoingirl: I don't know who john carvalo is - never heard of him

20:12:13 mircea_popescu: ttp://log.bitcoin-assets.com <

20:12:31 mircea_popescu: bitcoingirl he used to run asicminer PTs and was on their board.

20:12:53 bitcoingirl: what is that link?

20:13:06 bitcoingirl: not working

20:13:09 mircea_popescu: that's the link to the webpage where the log of this channel lives

20:13:15 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com there

20:14:00 bitcoingirl: excuse me, I'm obviously not a tech person - more into economic policy

20:14:19 mircea_popescu: not a crime.

20:14:20 Duffer1: diametric i'm using armory

20:14:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 337 @ 0.00084743 = 0.2856 BTC [+]

20:14:50 mircea_popescu: bitcoingirl so what do you know about me ?

20:15:11 bitcoingirl: when you say channel - are you talking about the stats?

20:15:37 mircea_popescu: no, when i say channel i mean exactly that. this space, where we talk, it's the channel. it's name is #bitcoin-assets

20:15:44 mircea_popescu: its name*

20:17:06 bitcoingirl: ok got it. are you saying john is already going to be at Amsterdam so you don't need another ambassador there?

20:17:27 mircea_popescu: not at all. i say he's already going, and maybe you have a drink. he's not my ambassador, because he's a boy

20:17:37 mircea_popescu: and i have a strict girls-only for ambassador roles policy.

20:17:57 bitcoingirl: sounds sexist

20:18:12 mircea_popescu: hm.

20:18:22 bitcoingirl: so what do i have to do

20:18:23 mircea_popescu: well he also doesn't have a forbes blog, nor was he invited to the whcd.

20:18:45 mircea_popescu: well, you ever represented an industry leader before ?

20:19:21 bitcoingirl: yes, i have a consulting firm in DC where I do this professionally

20:19:32 mircea_popescu: cool. so, what do you know about me ?

20:20:51 bitcoingirl: http://trilema.com < this website which has content i would never associate myself with

20:20:58 mircea_popescu: o hey.

20:21:01 mircea_popescu: what's the problem with it ?

20:21:27 Apocalyptic: people aren't ready for trilema yet

20:21:53 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic at least she's honest.

20:21:55 bitcoingirl: anti gay anti women articles

20:22:06 bitcoingirl: plus anti bitcoin foundation content

20:22:09 mircea_popescu: are you merely skimming titles or also read soem stuff ?

20:22:12 mircea_popescu: a, that for sure.

20:22:22 mircea_popescu: you will find pretty much all of bitcoin is anti the alleged foundation.

20:22:35 bitcoingirl: not in the US

20:22:41 bitcoingirl: this is business and the foundation is here to stay

20:22:50 mircea_popescu: who told you this ? :)

20:23:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00084378 = 10.8848 BTC [-] {2}

20:24:15 mircea_popescu: !up bgupta

20:24:15 assbot: Voicing bgupta for 30 minutes.

20:25:00 Duffer1: c'est la comedie humaine

20:25:22 bitcoingirl: the foundation may have their own issues / challenges, but opposing them is not something I'm interested in getting involved it. not going to lead to anywhere

20:25:44 mircea_popescu: you know the average lifetime of bitcoin things i've opposed historically is somewhere south of one year ?

20:25:48 Duffer1: ignoring/opposing, same dif

20:26:07 mircea_popescu: i'll crush these schmucks too, not a question of whether, a question of when i feel like pushing hard enough.

20:27:39 asciilifeform: china/crimea: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2014&bots=true#544315

20:27:40 mircea_popescu: obviously your own political stands are your own, but the thing that isn't going to lead anywhere is trying to support the walking dead.

20:27:41 bitcoingirl: im not comfortable having this question over an open source

20:27:49 mircea_popescu: aite, let's go private then

20:28:15 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform indeed.

20:32:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10550 @ 0.00084311 = 8.8948 BTC [-] {2}

20:34:20 danielpbarron: this channel rules

20:39:44 jurov: heh what a suspension...i'd even bet whether mp changes bitcoingirl's stance toward bitcoin foundation

20:40:17 jurov: at least there's interesting trilema post upcoming

20:40:23 kakobrekla: ill bet no

20:40:40 chetty: anti gay? anti woman? anybody know which articles those would be?

20:41:28 Duffer1: none that i'm aware of, she's probably skimmed the titles

20:41:36 Apocalyptic: <kakobrekla> ill bet no // about the fact he will change her mind or the post ?

20:41:55 assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 100 @ 0.00328679 = 0.3287 BTC [+]

20:42:50 kakobrekla: the former

20:44:03 fluffypony: kakobrekla: no there won't be one, or no it won't be interesting?

20:44:14 fluffypony: ITT: analyse what kakobrekla *REALLY* means :-P

20:44:32 fluffypony: o you said former

20:44:37 fluffypony: sadface.

20:46:36 Apocalyptic: dat kako

20:46:42 Apocalyptic: confusing everyone

20:47:53 fluffypony: it's his super-power

20:48:00 fluffypony: mine is IRC-ing drunk

20:48:27 thestringpuller: ;;ud real human bean

20:48:28 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=human%20bean | A person who is addicted to beans and more specificly jelly beans. ... I'm turning into a human bean - I had 4 packets of jelly beans yesterday. by Eli-bean ...

20:48:28 ozbot: Urban Dictionary: human bean

20:49:36 chetty: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/05/02/nyc-cyclist-arrested-for-using-cellphone-to-film-cop-told-iphones-are-being-used-as-guns/?onswipe_redirect=no&oswrr=1

20:49:36 ozbot: NYC cyclist arrested for using cellphone to film cop, told iPhones are ‘being used as guns’

20:50:07 chetty: is the cardano coming equiped with special toys?

20:51:12 Apocalyptic: told iPhones are ?being used as guns? // not sure if serious or...

20:55:52 kakobrekla: yes, photo gun, shoots pictures.

20:56:09 davout: ^

20:57:08 chetty: and taking pictures steals your soul ..

21:02:09 mircea_popescu: suchwow-brb lmao

21:02:13 mircea_popescu: !up SuchWow-brb

21:02:13 assbot: Voicing SuchWow-brb for 30 minutes.

21:02:58 SuchWow-brb: heheh it's been an intense couple of hours with the nascar race

21:03:03 SuchWow-brb: back in 30 :)

21:03:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 168 @ 0.00297994 = 0.5006 BTC [+]

21:03:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3850 @ 0.00084743 = 3.2626 BTC [+]

21:03:25 kakobrekla: is dogecar gonna win

21:03:49 bitcoinpete: kakobrekla: some chumps, yes

21:09:50 mircea_popescu: !jd mpif

21:09:50 assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 163.89572664 BTC; +0.00399293 BTC (+0.0024%) since last check 3h 50m 9s ago.

21:10:04 mircea_popescu: too insufficient small amount of number.

21:16:12 bitcoinpete: "It appears that the most natural of all ways to classify humans genetically is by the racial and ethnic groups that humans have identified from time out of mind."

21:16:14 bitcoinpete: http://online.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303380004579521482247869874

21:16:15 ozbot: Book Review: 'A Troublesome Inheritance' by Nicholas Wade - WSJ.com

21:18:42 mircea_popescu: unsurprisingly.

21:20:58 bitcoinpete: to everyone except the nba

21:23:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.47511 = 0.9502 BTC [+]

21:25:53 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust bitcoingirl

21:25:54 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user bitcoingirl: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=bitcoingirl | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bitcoingirl | Rated since: never

21:27:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6493 @ 0.00084444 = 5.4829 BTC [-]

21:28:16 bitcoinpete: whoa mpoe!

21:28:44 bitcoinpete: investors no like mpif?

21:29:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 16 @ 0.0321191 = 0.5139 BTC [+]

21:30:09 mircea_popescu: seems it's been taking a beating yest

21:31:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 14 @ 0.03389001 = 0.4745 BTC [+] {5}

21:32:14 chetty: http://cryptogeeks.com/bitcoin-american-express-sponsored-documentary-feels-more-commercial-bitcoin

21:32:14 ozbot: Bitcoin: This American Express sponsored documentary feels more like a commercial for Bitcoin. | cry

21:32:22 mircea_popescu: lol

21:35:24 mircea_popescu: <danielpbarron> this channel rules << hehe

21:35:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0764499 = 0.1529 BTC [+] {2}

21:40:58 bitcoinpete: https://vine.co/v/M6ztmrVtBDj

21:40:58 ozbot: CRISTIANO RONALDO What-a-goal! Real-Valencia 2-2

21:41:10 bitcoinpete: ronny be cray

21:41:22 fluffypony: cray cray

21:42:21 bitcoinpete: omg fucking greenaddress

21:42:23 bitcoinpete: http://blog.greenaddress.it/2014/04/30/reusing-addresses-is-bad-m-kay/

21:43:18 fluffypony: "Not reusing addresses protects you from quantum computing"

21:43:26 fluffypony: l.o.l. the sequel.

21:43:28 mircea_popescu: wait wut

21:43:45 mircea_popescu: does mormon underwear protect you from quantum computing ?

21:43:58 mircea_popescu: "Not reusing addresses may prevent you to be exposed from undiscovered holes in ECDSA theory"

21:44:15 mircea_popescu: wlel... reusing addresses equally may prevent you from exposure to undiscovered holes.

21:44:20 mircea_popescu: what the fuck is this cargo cult nonsense.

21:44:22 pankkake: because quantum computing can break ECDSA, but cannot break RIPEMD-160? lel

21:44:36 fluffypony: pankkake: RIPEMD4lyf

21:44:37 pankkake: anyway >quantum computing. why even talk about it

21:44:50 mircea_popescu: not reusing addresses has major privacy implications :

21:44:56 mircea_popescu: it makes it feasible for your users to be tracked

21:45:07 mircea_popescu: and it makes it possible for the entire "taint" nonsense to even tenuously exist.

21:45:19 mircea_popescu: if you care about freedom, make sure you reuse at least some addresses.

21:45:39 pankkake: though I've tried to not associate some addresses with others, I'm sure some more advanced statistical anylisis would reveal them

21:45:45 jurov: then the analysis just moves on to transaction level

21:46:14 danielpbarron: bitcoinpete: lol @ greenaddress; I had a back-and-forth with them over that exact issue: https://twitter.com/danielpbarron/status/461889144667787266

21:46:17 mircea_popescu: jurov notrly.

21:46:34 bitcoinpete: danielpbarron: lol just noticed that!

21:47:10 bitcoinpete: i was a little more blunt https://twitter.com/bitcoinpete/status/463072062056452096

21:47:29 mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/463072372896333825

21:47:29 ozbot: Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: Attention #Bitcoin : contrary ...

21:47:31 mircea_popescu: halping out.

21:48:10 jurov: taint can be tracked by spent transaction inputs, addresses do not need to come into picture

21:48:44 mircea_popescu: except if you reuse addresses this becomes ambiguous.

21:48:50 danielpbarron: bitcoinpete: heh, i'd "favorite" your tweet, but I don't want to give twitter a reason to set my account to "login required to read" mode

21:49:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.00084429 = 13.8464 BTC [-] {3}

21:49:09 mircea_popescu: wait thats a mode ? how does it work ?

21:49:37 danielpbarron: mircea_popescu: the default setting for new users is to block "adult content"

21:49:46 mircea_popescu: o he's adsult ?

21:49:54 danielpbarron: and that default also applies to non-users

21:50:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3774 @ 0.00084242 = 3.1793 BTC [-] {2}

21:50:10 danielpbarron: it's vague, but I assume it means dropping f-bombs and posting nudes

21:50:19 mircea_popescu: !up bitcoingirl

21:50:19 assbot: Voicing bitcoingirl for 30 minutes.

21:50:20 pankkake: does it? perhaps because I'm blocking everything - javascript and cookies, I don't seem to have it

21:50:21 bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: wait, are you saying that reusing is good for privacy?

21:50:24 bitcoingirl: popescu - can I humbly ask you for a favor

21:50:28 mircea_popescu: shoot

21:50:35 mircea_popescu: bitcoingirl yes.

21:50:41 mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete yes i mean.

21:51:37 pankkake: bitcoinpete: seems to me the real issue is merging inputs, regardless of the addresses. changing addresses will only confuse amateur investigators

21:51:46 fluffypony: ^^

21:51:48 jurov: how ambiguous? when i withdraw from mpex, it spends Tx1, Tx2..Txn from one mpex address.. how it is different from spending them from different adresses?

21:51:56 bitcoingirl: https://blog.blockchain.com/2014/04/16/the-first-annual-blockchain-awards/ can you help me get votes for the "most insightful journalist"

21:51:56 ozbot: The First Annual Blockchain Awards | Blockchain Blog

21:52:20 bitcoingirl: this would be helpful for my career. was one of the first reporters in this industry

21:52:41 mircea_popescu: so i should what, pester cary ?

21:53:20 fluffypony: bitcoinpete: not knowing which addresses were used to receive BTC is irrelevant when you are looking at it going out

21:53:35 mircea_popescu: !up GAit

21:53:35 assbot: Voicing GAit for 30 minutes.

21:53:46 GAit: thanks mircea_popescu

21:53:55 pankkake: anyway, perhaps use a good client which supports multiple wallets if you want easy privacy

21:54:08 mircea_popescu: aha, well you heard the lady folks : pls to vote ms boring for the blockchain award.

21:54:20 fluffypony: yeah, agree with pankkake, separation of liabilities

21:54:22 GAit: bitcoinpete: hello

21:54:37 bitcoinpete: GAit: howdy

21:54:45 fluffypony: bitcoingirl: who must we vote for? I missed the bits further up

21:54:55 GAit: bitcoinpete: can i disturb you on a PM ?

21:54:55 bitcoinpete: GAit: green address, i presum?

21:54:59 GAit: bitcoinpete: yes

21:55:04 mircea_popescu: o is it ?

21:55:09 bitcoingirl: +fluffypony Perianne Boring, please

21:55:31 bitcoinpete: GAit: let's talk here

21:55:37 GAit: ok

21:55:51 fluffypony: bitcoingirl: ok done, I nominated you for best ATM design.

21:55:52 GAit: i wasn't sure this was appropriate for the channel, as long as others don't mind

21:55:53 fluffypony: (kidding)

21:56:16 bitcoinpete: GAit: this is a good conversation for everyone to see

21:56:24 mircea_popescu: fluffypony asshat :D

21:56:28 GAit: it is I agree, i generally like to read your blog

21:56:32 mircea_popescu: GAit go ahead, you're voiced, you can talk.

21:56:48 bitcoinpete: GAit: so tell us why reusing addresses is bad, in your opinion

21:56:49 bitcoingirl: I did not create an ATM

21:57:02 mircea_popescu: bitcoingirl he's just being difficult :D

21:57:36 bitcoingirl: i know

21:57:38 GAit: i think reusing addresses is bad for privacy and exposes you to potential security risk in the implementation

21:57:46 fluffypony: bitcoingirl: I'm teasing, hence the "kidding" added after

21:57:48 mircea_popescu: GAit specifically.

21:57:53 fluffypony: bitcoingirl: here - http://i.imgur.com/nizKc8A.png

21:58:15 GAit: specifically privacy or security?

21:58:29 mircea_popescu: privacy. the security i understand

21:58:35 GAit: privacy alone is quite important but extra security is not bad

21:58:36 mircea_popescu: and it's factual : ecdsa is vulnerable to bad rngs.

21:59:36 GAit: well privacy in the sense that if you tell too many people about your [reused] address then it is much easier to make sense, on a whole, of correlated transaction, especially if more people reuse

22:00:07 mircea_popescu: GAit what if you lie.

22:00:28 GAit: who lies?

22:00:52 mircea_popescu: well for instance, Naphex told me a funny story when we met yest. it went like this :

22:01:16 mircea_popescu: buncha poor romanian kids in some small romanian town got the check-only btc address app installed on their phones and went all over town claiming to be owning 1000s of btc.

22:01:45 pankkake: oh, your name is actually Boring. things are clearer now

22:01:46 GAit: check only-> watch only I presume?

22:01:55 mircea_popescu: yes

22:03:02 GAit: anyway, bitcoinpete, why would you go as far as calling it scam? good reasons or?

22:03:39 bitcoinpete: GAit scum != scam

22:03:53 GAit: sorry, lapsus

22:04:01 GAit: so why calling it scum?

22:04:37 GAit: i actually like in general your criticism and your being skeptical

22:04:38 mircea_popescu: what got called scum ? i'm behind my reading.

22:05:00 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete called GAit scum on the Twitorz

22:05:06 GAit: https://twitter.com/bitcoinpete/status/463072062056452096

22:05:07 ozbot: Twitter / bitcoinpete: You guys are fucking scum. ...

22:05:15 bitcoinpete: GAit: basically that reusing doesn't have a place in bitcoin

22:05:19 mircea_popescu: oh. GAit well people sometimes overstate points on the internet. it's called cracked.com

22:05:31 fluffypony: technically he said you're fucking scum, GAit, if scum is a pretty person you could consider that a complement

22:05:35 GAit: mircea_popescu: i was trying to find if there was something bad we could improvwe

22:05:59 mircea_popescu: GAit the problem is this : i'm pretty well convinced, and i suspect a lot of people here are similarly convinced,

22:06:02 bounce: complement or compliment?

22:06:10 GAit: bounce: compliment

22:06:13 mircea_popescu: that a campaign against reusing addresses is more a covert usg op than anything else.

22:06:14 fluffypony: bounce: good catch

22:06:18 fluffypony: I need another drink

22:06:27 mircea_popescu: now whether you're participating naively or not is up for grabs, but still.

22:07:01 GAit: mircea_popescu: you are saying we tried to get attention in the wrong way by mentioning our comptetitors reusing addresses?

22:07:07 mircea_popescu: no.

22:07:12 peterl: does reusing addresses cut down on blockchain bloat?

22:07:28 mircea_popescu: i am saying that the entire "don't reuse addresses" campaign is exactly the equiovalent of "pls to use openssh" or "pls to use tor before that"

22:07:38 mircea_popescu: or "pls to use whatever the gpg competitor was, i forgot" 20 years prior.

22:07:38 bitcoinpete: peterl: shouldn't

22:07:41 GAit: reusing increases bloat if i understand correctly as you have less to prune

22:07:54 mircea_popescu: reusing prevents efficient pruning.

22:08:08 GAit: yeah

22:08:28 GAit: a good point to add to the blog actually

22:08:29 GAit: thanks

22:08:31 fluffypony: peterl: not really...the current change address functionality is roughly analogous to creating fresh receive addresses every time you receive a transaction

22:08:33 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform chetty what was the gpg competitor nsa was pushing back i nthe day ?

22:09:08 bounce: clipper?

22:09:35 fluffypony: bounce: wasn't that the Microsoft Office assistant?

22:09:52 bounce: "clippy", unless you're thinking of bob the dog

22:10:00 peterl: you mean the paperclip that gave tips on how to use winblows?

22:10:02 GAit: anyway, in general if you guys have any feedback i'm all ears

22:10:08 GAit: guys and gals

22:10:10 bounce: you now owe me some serious booze, by the by

22:10:12 mircea_popescu: lmao

22:10:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10494 @ 0.00084108 = 8.8263 BTC [-] {2}

22:10:36 fluffypony: peterl: yes! "It looks like you're trying to GPG sign this document. Would you like help with that?"

22:10:44 peterl: lol

22:10:47 mircea_popescu: bounce aye, skipjack.

22:11:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7206 @ 0.00083946 = 6.0491 BTC [-]

22:11:24 bitcoinpete: GAit: there's a place for address reuse and there's a place for new address generation

22:11:26 *: bounce tried to make a funny with "swordfish" in it, but failed

22:11:53 GAit: bitcoinpete: i don't really know anyonw in bitcoin-dev that is pro address reuse

22:11:58 mircea_popescu: so ?

22:12:00 GAit: it is not reccomanded

22:12:13 mircea_popescu: are you here looking for feedback or are you here to persuade ?

22:12:16 bitcoinpete: GAit: and quantum computing isn't a thing. it's cold fusion until proven otherwise

22:12:43 bounce: anybody still use coldfusion? even though it's apparently a better php.

22:12:49 GAit: quantum computer is theoretical and little practical so far, sure, i didn't say much more to that

22:12:52 mircea_popescu: bounce seems dead.

22:13:17 mircea_popescu: GAit do you understand the part where making statements about defenses against nonspecified attacks is hacky at best ?

22:13:19 fluffypony: lol

22:13:34 mircea_popescu: i mean that sort of shit probably flies in -otc, but this chan is grown ups.

22:13:36 fluffypony: bounce: wasn't there a major CF exploit last yearish that caused issues on a bunch of sites?

22:13:38 GAit: non specified attacks?

22:13:41 mircea_popescu: yes.

22:13:56 GAit: i specified the attaccks or problems. RNG is one

22:14:02 GAit: privacy is another

22:14:03 mircea_popescu: if quantum computing, then your teeth are probably not safe. because why would they be ?

22:14:06 peterl: my dad (a physicist) worked on quantum computing for a bit. It's more likely to succeed than cold fusion, but still many years off.

22:14:18 GAit: well by then i imagine a lot of encryption will use quanto techinques

22:14:20 bitcoinpete: GAit: i didn't say much more to that <<quantum comps was half your security argument in the blog

22:14:32 fluffypony: GAit: it's like me saying not to use GreenAddress because of the risk of an exploit in Chrome/Java/JavaScript; until it happens or the attack surface is real it's pointless talking about it

22:14:43 bounce: quantum computing vs cold fusion, there's a bitbet

22:14:44 GAit: it is a widely discussed topics when talking about bitcoin and ecdsa

22:14:51 mircea_popescu: bounce one year term!

22:14:55 bounce: oh foo

22:14:58 peterl: oh, and people use cold fusion all the time, it just generates neutrons, not power

22:15:00 bounce: NO VISION

22:15:11 GAit: fluffypony: sure you can say that, but then you have little alternative to all common languages, maybe some hardware wallet

22:15:17 mircea_popescu: o.o

22:15:22 mircea_popescu: security by lack of alternative ?!

22:15:22 fluffypony: GAit: welcome to the world of S.NSA :-P

22:15:34 kakobrekla: afaik 'green address' as technical term implies reusing an address, which is funny.

22:15:39 mircea_popescu: which is also entirely an artefact of your own mind, as yo ucan make a webpage in fucking lisp ?

22:15:40 bounce: just add neutron-fueled fission, and you have a safe(-ish) reactor

22:15:41 GAit: we are already working on supporting two hw wallets

22:16:00 GAit: we are using a different way of 'greenaddressing' out of band, if you want greenaddress 2.0

22:16:29 GAit: we spoke to Jan, you know, the guy that coined the term

22:16:36 mircea_popescu: moving on to more interesting stuff. fluffypony you got a dc in your basement ?

22:16:39 GAit: he really liked the way it is applied in a out of the box way

22:17:13 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: no, got a warehouse with decent availability and average Internet tho

22:17:17 GAit: did you see the design document/white apper?

22:17:20 mircea_popescu: you moving anytime soon ?

22:17:26 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: not a chance

22:17:34 mircea_popescu: how would you feel about hosting a coupla rigs ?

22:17:45 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: sure, happy to talk about it

22:18:16 fluffypony: GAit: when are you guys going to support RFC 1149?

22:18:31 fluffypony: I think it's an important piece of functionality missing from almost all implementations

22:19:04 mircea_popescu: too fucking evil.

22:19:09 peterl: bounce: so you control the rate of fission by the amount of power you put into the neutron-generating fusion?

22:19:09 bitcoinpete: ;;google jan greenaddress

22:19:10 gribble: Does sending from a green address improve my anonymity ...: http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/2387/does-sending-from-a-green-address-improve-my-anonymity; Green address – the solution to slow Bitcoin transactions? - CoinDesk: http://www.coindesk.com/green-address-the-solution-to-slow-bitcoin-transactions/; GreenAddress: open source multisig wallet service - Bitcoin (1 more message)

22:20:41 GAit: fluffypony: nah, we are too busy on http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4824, which is much much better

22:20:56 fluffypony: so they tell me :)

22:21:24 mircea_popescu: flagpoles harder to get than birds.

22:21:31 GAit: fluffypony: what you never tried it? come on where do you live?

22:22:01 fluffypony: GAit: we have 6 dogs, pigeons don't last long around here

22:22:14 GAit: so you trying fiber now?

22:22:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.06474168 = 0.259 BTC [-]

22:22:45 fluffypony: yep, I've found a healthy serving of oats gives me all the fibre I need

22:24:12 GAit: so what do you guys do? anyone coming to amsterdam?

22:24:25 mircea_popescu: maybe ThickAsThieves

22:25:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00083944 = 9.1499 BTC [-] {2}

22:25:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.034 = 0.136 BTC [+]

22:25:38 bitcoinpete: i gotta jet.

22:25:45 bitcoinpete: GAit: good of you to drop by for a chat

22:25:59 bitcoinpete: hopefully you'll consider what you've learned here

22:26:07 bounce: ouch

22:26:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2836 @ 0.00083928 = 2.3802 BTC [-]

22:32:19 mircea_popescu: Random twitter self-absorbed priss : This website wants to feature me as a "Hot Babe?. Should I do it?

22:32:20 mircea_popescu: Me : You done nudes yet ?

22:32:20 mircea_popescu: Her : No, and I never will.

22:32:20 mircea_popescu: Me : Then pretty much nobody cares. You wanna play a sport, might as well go pro or else forget about it.

22:32:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 69 @ 0.00200021 = 0.138 BTC [-] {4}

22:34:36 fluffypony: heh

22:34:40 fluffypony: Pro Stripping

22:34:43 fluffypony: olympic level

22:34:56 mircea_popescu: did they succeed making pole dancing an olympic sport yet ?

22:35:37 fluffypony: don't think so

22:37:07 pankkake: I stumbled on some pole dancing websites, it was entertaining. I mean, it was so serious and all. Though the erotic aspect wasn't stupidly downplayed

22:37:28 mircea_popescu: pankkake belly dancing can also get quite serious

22:37:34 mircea_popescu: heck, for that matter even barbecuing

22:37:34 bounce: srsly eerotic

22:37:45 pankkake: well, I have a belly button fetish, so. :)

22:38:19 fluffypony: I dated a Greek girl who was a serious belly dancer, she ended up starting her own school

22:38:31 fluffypony: was sexy for a bit, but she was too serious about it

22:38:39 pankkake: ahah

22:38:50 fluffypony: I just wanted pre-sex wiggling, not a history lesson

22:38:53 mircea_popescu: slaves do a better job at it anyway

22:40:36 mircea_popescu: http://stats.bitcoin-assets.com/ << check it out, according to kakobrekla a new week has started, but not a new day.

22:40:37 ozbot: #bitcoin-assets stats

22:40:56 fluffypony: kako-time

22:41:04 mircea_popescu: it bellydances.

22:41:44 fluffypony: lol

22:41:55 kakobrekla: it probably has to do with the code.

22:42:26 mircea_popescu: ahahaha

22:42:30 assbot: Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1CPEMYA/plain/)

22:42:30 mircea_popescu: !b 5

22:42:50 assbot: Last 9 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/0WHBKDV/plain/)

22:42:50 mircea_popescu: !b 9

22:45:46 Namworld: By last 12 months I rank high, but lately I rank low.

22:45:59 fluffypony: http://i.imgur.com/GpIAwwo.jpg

22:47:22 mircea_popescu: haha good 1

22:47:29 Namworld: fluffypony, you've chat as much in the last 30 days as I did in the last 12 months.

22:47:31 mircea_popescu: !up lolstate

22:47:31 assbot: Voicing lolstate for 30 minutes.

22:47:32 lolstate: pop-up mf

22:47:44 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot lolstate

22:47:45 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user lolstate: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=lolstate | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=lolstate | Rated since: never

22:47:48 mircea_popescu: gotta get wot.

22:48:06 Namworld: And mircea, you've chat more than assbot lately, you might have an addiction problem

22:48:28 mircea_popescu: is it addiction when you do it a lot or when yo ucan't stop ?

22:49:35 lolstate: Gribble?

22:49:40 lolstate: Again?

22:49:41 Namworld: Hence "might"

22:49:45 lolstate: We were friends!

22:50:46 fluffypony: Namworld: just noticed that now - maybe I have an addiction too :-P

22:52:24 kakobrekla: test

22:52:26 assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/2SZFKQF.txt)

22:52:26 kakobrekla: !b 1

22:52:31 kakobrekla: kay

22:52:48 bounce: that's a keeper

22:53:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 98 @ 0.00199997 = 0.196 BTC [-] {4}

22:53:38 fluffypony: so now it strips the !b line out and links correctly?

22:54:14 fluffypony: oh nm it's just the links

22:54:20 kakobrekla: !mp http://dpaste.com/3TS4ZK5.txt

22:54:20 assbot: Processing.

22:54:22 assbot: Response: http://dpaste.com/0KF222K.txt

22:55:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07649999 = 0.153 BTC [+] {2}

22:56:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.47511 BTC [+]

22:56:28 mircea_popescu: le cool

22:56:32 mircea_popescu: basically dpaste broke their api ?

22:56:45 kakobrekla: changed some stuff apparently

22:56:55 mircea_popescu: yeah

22:56:57 bounce: stable apis are so 1.0

22:57:40 kakobrekla: looks like they figured txt files are the way to go

22:57:49 fluffypony: bounce: ikr, who needs them

22:57:50 mircea_popescu: +like upvote retweet to that.

22:58:15 bounce: retweet the like?

22:58:15 fluffypony: in fact, you should just announce breaking API changes on Twitter and hope everyone catches it

22:58:33 bounce: put it on your facebook wall. then set it private.

22:59:13 mircea_popescu: the irony of "walls"

22:59:20 *: bounce is tempted to publish all the specs exclusively on gopher

22:59:25 lolstate: I’m going to through out what may be a trivial question (at first glance): what is up with Neobee?? !

22:59:32 lolstate: TAT?

22:59:35 lolstate: MP?

22:59:38 lolstate: Me?

22:59:42 lolstate: Danny?

22:59:48 lolstate: Quesions, eh?

22:59:50 fluffypony: lolstate: dead in the water, Danny on the lam

22:59:51 mircea_popescu: seems dead no ?

23:00:00 mircea_popescu: !t h neobeeq

23:00:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK:NEOBEEQ] 1D: 0.00001261 / 1.302E-5 / 0.00001700 (13739 shares, 0.17890927 BTC), 7D: 0.00001261 / 2.211E-5 / 0.00006970 (197924 shares, 4.37667709 BTC), 30D: 0.00001261 / 0.00011853 / 0.00045000 (796909 shares, 94.45738272 BTC)

23:00:01 lolstate: lam?

23:00:07 fluffypony: ;;google define lam

23:00:08 gribble: Lam - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/lam; Lam | Define Lam at Dictionary.com: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/lam; On the lam | Define On the lam at Dictionary.com: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/on+the+lam

23:00:43 fluffypony: "on the lam, escaping, fleeing, or hiding, especially from the police"

23:01:08 lolstate: boring

23:01:26 lolstate: ‘lam’ isn’t analysis or any where close to an explanation!

23:01:39 mircea_popescu: aren't you like... months late for that ?

23:01:52 lolstate: what? a kick in the mouth? or… ?

23:02:10 fluffypony: ok analysis: Danny is a thief and was the only one who controlled all the monies. now he's run away with the monies or many spent it all on a lavish lifestyle. the company has collapsed and disbanded, and the police want to talk to Danny.

23:02:13 fluffypony: fin.

23:02:16 lolstate: Explnation for recent failure, maybe?

23:02:40 lolstate: fluffy: that is shallow

23:02:54 mircea_popescu: lolstate bring something to the table.

23:03:03 lolstate: clearly, he wasn’t a thief a priori

23:03:07 fluffypony: ok here

23:03:10 benkay: <fluffypony> ... spent it all on a lavish lifestyle. << a shame, considering...btc.

23:03:21 mircea_popescu: clearly uh.

23:03:32 fluffypony: lolstatel: start here: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/232v5n/the_full_picture_from_danny_brewster/ then go here: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/23cjd9/the_full_picture_of_former_neo_bee_employees/ then go here: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/23e0if/neo_bee_a_consultants_perspective_and_statement/ then go here: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/23cp8h/my_take_on_what_happened_with_neo_bee_after/

23:03:40 mircea_popescu: #bitcoin-assets rules of style : omit all sentences that start with clearly.

23:03:54 mircea_popescu: they'll get ignored anyway, might as well save the electrons

23:04:01 dignork: lolstate: Danny's claims about what he can do, where laughable, maintaining his own exchange rate? btc banks?

23:04:01 ThickAsThieves: catching up on logs after attending a local festival

23:04:07 ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> anyway, the deal would be : you go to whatever bitcoin conferences you feel like, i'll cover your entrance fee. you talk to people, explain stuff to them. //// mah job!

23:04:19 bounce: what? since when're you turning greenpeace?

23:04:28 bounce: "save the electrons", sheesh.

23:04:31 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you srsly want it ?

23:04:33 lolstate: fluffy: yeah, saw that

23:04:37 fluffypony: lolstate: how do you get he wasn't a thief prior? has he been a personal friend you've known his whole life?

23:05:15 lolstate: fluufy: don’r be flippant. A priori, every human is honest

23:05:15 fluffypony: because evidence seems to point that he was dirty, or at the very least incompetent, and this is another in a string of failures / duck-and-run jobs

23:05:27 lolstate: yaya

23:05:46 mircea_popescu: !down lolstate

23:05:49 mircea_popescu: enough of that.

23:05:54 benkay: lolstate: you miss the part where in btc, everyone has to prove they're not a thief first.

23:05:57 benkay: via...wot.

23:06:09 benkay: and even then, that's an extremely weak 'proof'.

23:06:32 bounce: that an open offer? though as a matter of style one might better sneak in bitcoin foundation gigs and possibly get thrown out in front of cameras

23:06:37 mircea_popescu: fucking noobs, gonna control the flow of conversation nao. wtf is happening in these people's heads.

23:06:41 benkay: this is what we're working towards. not that 'anyone's not a scammer until they are', but that ther are grownups in the space, and either you deal with them or they fuck off.

23:06:48 benkay: or *you* fuck off.

23:07:11 benkay: !up lolstate

23:07:11 assbot: Voicing lolstate for 30 minutes.

23:07:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18900 @ 0.00084173 = 15.9087 BTC [+] {2}

23:07:18 lolstate: ta

23:07:18 mircea_popescu: bounce i don't really believe in half measures. im either sending in people with automatic rifles, or not at all.

23:07:19 benkay: mircea_popescu: he ain't no worse than tib.

23:07:27 benkay: possibly educable.

23:07:34 mircea_popescu: benkay hey, you can put up with it, by all means.

23:08:06 benkay: anyways lolstate from a statistical perspective, every btc operation is a scam, and every operator a priori a thief.

23:08:18 lolstate: MP, why the Ceaușescu move? It is unbecoming.

23:08:23 fluffypony: sweet, CloudFlare have published their SSL config for nginx: https://github.com/cloudflare/sslconfig/

23:08:46 mircea_popescu: lolstate try and learn from what's happening to you, fucktard

23:08:53 mircea_popescu: rather than herping along, calling things names.

23:09:02 benkay: lolstate: !up and !down are part of the variety speak.

23:09:35 lolstate: MP, grow up and discuss…. let’s discuss your role in Neobee

23:09:46 benkay: oh do tell

23:10:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.07514414 = 0.9017 BTC [-] {2}

23:10:26 ThickAsThieves: ok i'm caught up

23:10:28 fluffypony: his...role?

23:10:30 lolstate: Well, MP, what’s with all the trolling and black arts against Neobee and others…

23:10:44 ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves you srsly want it ? /// well, i'm down for a test drive in Amsterdam next week

23:10:49 benkay: calling a scam a scam = black arts these days

23:10:59 benkay: or a derp a derp

23:11:11 ThickAsThieves: i have full intention of providing "coverage"

23:11:12 lolstate: Neobee turned out bad, clearly, what about the others that have not, yet you desire to do so?

23:11:28 benkay: nobody's desires matter, lolstate

23:11:30 ThickAsThieves: and intend to start bugging you guys for help with questions and plans

23:11:34 bounce: shamelessly copying: <danieldaniel> http://i.imgur.com/OvAcLrb.jpg

23:11:44 lolstate: MP’s desire, TAT!

23:11:54 ThickAsThieves: huh?

23:12:03 lolstate: MP’s desire to bad mouth legimitate rivals!

23:12:08 ThickAsThieves: no

23:12:13 lolstate: No?

23:12:15 fluffypony: neo&bee was a legitimate rival of mpex?

23:12:16 ThickAsThieves: you are in bakwards world

23:12:17 benkay: badmouthing doesn't matter, lolstate

23:12:18 fluffypony: da fuq.

23:12:28 benkay: if it matters, the foundations are unsound to begin with.

23:12:34 ThickAsThieves: lolstate, speak like an adult or we'll have your tongue

23:12:35 bounce: ;;ident lolstate

23:12:35 gribble: Nick 'lolstate', with hostmask 'lolstate!~lolstate@cpc16-broo8-2-0-cust783.14-2.cable.virginm.net', is not identified.

23:12:36 benkay: 'i'll huff and i'll puff and i'll derp you away!'

23:13:01 lolstate: TAT? Why did you cut from Neo? Was is Danny’s selling?

23:13:13 lolstate: *it*, I mean

23:13:14 benkay: sinking ship, lolstate .

23:13:52 ThickAsThieves: i gave a broad explanation for my severing ties the day i severed them

23:13:57 ThickAsThieves: i do not know if danny stole

23:14:01 ThickAsThieves: i'm not sure anyone does

23:14:07 lolstate: Te ship has sunk, benkay

23:14:17 benkay: lolstate: you miss the point.

23:14:20 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves so what you need ?

23:14:29 benkay: lolstate: when a ship is sinking, what do the occupants do?

23:14:43 ThickAsThieves: you mention providing of dossiers, any info or intent you wish to instill with me, is welcome

23:14:58 benkay: lolstate are you delberately trolling like a noob or is this the best that you can do?

23:15:03 ThickAsThieves: including specific questions

23:15:19 ThickAsThieves: i am also willing to spend prepatory time this week

23:15:25 lolstate: TAT, really? TBH, I missed that. All I read was you couldnt continure in the role etc, which is reasonable, although I wasn’t clear on the reason

23:15:25 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves wait wut. what dossiers

23:15:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.47511 BTC [+]

23:15:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 27 @ 0.03211 = 0.867 BTC [+]

23:15:45 ThickAsThieves: you said something about providing info

23:15:49 ThickAsThieves: i'm just being dramatic

23:16:02 fluffypony: on that note, I'm heading to bed

23:16:09 mircea_popescu: bounce he left out drugz

23:16:40 lolstate: Night fluffy

23:17:02 mircea_popescu: !up nahkunt

23:17:02 assbot: Voicing nahkunt for 30 minutes.

23:17:04 nahkunt: hi guys. thoughts on verpayments?

23:17:09 mircea_popescu: wait wut

23:17:20 mircea_popescu: omfg i been trying to eat this sandwich for half a n hour

23:17:23 lolstate: TAT. Really what can you say about the NEo situation (sorry if I’m behind the loop)

23:17:25 ThickAsThieves: lolstate i'll sum it up like this. at this point there will be no new info from anyone worth anything on the Neo events unless he gets picked up by authorities and forced to hand over his accounts etc

23:17:48 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves were you going to ask vehehes why he's not publishing reports ?

23:17:48 nahkunt: mircea_popescu: hah, i just read about you a few minutes ago and now i see you on here...

23:17:53 ThickAsThieves: yes

23:17:55 ThickAsThieves: if i can

23:17:59 mircea_popescu: well what's that mean

23:18:11 mircea_popescu: nahkunt fancy that!

23:18:21 ThickAsThieves: what's what mean

23:18:22 nahkunt: mircea_popescu: the romanian suspected pornstar/cryptostocks businessman/woman

23:18:26 ThickAsThieves: i'm not mean!

23:18:30 *: bounce is living on tunes instead of food ATM. 90s tunes.

23:18:32 mircea_popescu: wait what ?!

23:18:35 ThickAsThieves: lol

23:18:41 benkay: suspected pornstar

23:18:48 mircea_popescu: omfg im taking some time off i've never been this confused ion my lyf.

23:19:18 benkay: wait pornstar/cryptostocks?

23:19:20 benkay: wtf?

23:19:36 bounce: secret launcehd PornCoin and didn't tell anyone?

23:19:39 nahkunt: lol

23:19:43 bounce: s/ceh/ce/

23:19:45 ThickAsThieves: but seriously mp, and everyone here, i have an open call out for questions and topics anyone would like me to attempt getting info on at Bitcoin2014

23:19:48 benkay: pornstar/businesscunt would make sense

23:19:59 lolstate: TAT, that’s an interesting staement: a) Danny is a crim or… b)… ?

23:20:01 benkay: but pornstar/cryptostocks is derpage of the most pernicious variety.

23:20:14 ThickAsThieves: basically the limit is that they have to be "serious" questions and i cant end up in jail

23:20:21 bounce: you already got a list? (wiki? in public? maybe not a good idea)

23:20:22 lolstate: lol

23:20:25 nahkunt: mircea_popescu: isn't that correct? i read about you on the bitcoinwiki, it linked to a bitcointalk thread discussing it.

23:20:31 ThickAsThieves: getting banned from the conf is not off limits, but save it for last plaz

23:20:32 ThickAsThieves: plz

23:20:51 ThickAsThieves: bounce no one has made any requests yet

23:20:52 benkay: nahkunt: relies on bitcointalk for research

23:21:01 ThickAsThieves: i intended to start my own list in the next couple days

23:21:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 250 @ 0.00053 = 0.1325 BTC [-]

23:21:37 bounce: really should trawl their forum for things to grill them about

23:21:41 nahkunt: benkay: yes, businesscunt, i'da said that but i'm not sure how many aussies are present in this channel

23:21:45 ThickAsThieves: lolstate, i do not know if danny is a criminal, it's entirely possible he is merely 'criminally' inept

23:21:47 lolstate: TAT, have you had any contact with Danny after cutting the pass-through management role?

23:21:49 *: bounce already has a bit too much to read ATM :/

23:22:05 ThickAsThieves: lolstate no, he only talks to reddit now it seems

23:22:25 lolstate: Well, he doesn’t answer mobile, Skype or email

23:22:32 ThickAsThieves: i know

23:22:38 lolstate: Doe a runner, it seems..

23:22:45 lolstate: *Done*

23:23:01 benkay: lolstate: satisfied yet?

23:23:15 nahkunt: benkay: not relying on bitcointalk, i asked for confirmation from the primary source and you're criticisng my romanian pornstar turned crypt obusinesscunt research methodology?

23:23:27 lolstate: About what, exactly? Aren’t you in bed?

23:23:31 ThickAsThieves: lolstate just wants fuel to bring back to the perpetually cold fire at bitcointalk.org

23:23:43 lolstate: lol

23:23:51 benkay: nahkunt: it's no secret mp ran porn operations.

23:24:02 lolstate: I don’t think so, TAT.

23:24:04 benkay: pornstar though is your claim and you're going to have to substantiate that.

23:24:12 benkay: 'star' lol.

23:24:22 ThickAsThieves: porn cerberus

23:24:43 lolstate: So, TAT, I’m not here to add fuel or whatever. I’m actaully interested in disecting this mess.

23:24:55 nahkunt: benkay: it's probably false then, but this wiki page https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/MPEx links to a thread that mentions it

23:24:59 benkay: there's nothing to dissect, lolstate. it's over. everyone involved lost their money.

23:25:00 bounce: totally believable

23:25:08 lolstate: FFS

23:25:08 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves so im thinking the best approach here is, go, liveblog it, we take it from there.

23:25:12 mircea_popescu: sorta like a qual lap./

23:25:13 ThickAsThieves: lolstate i have no new info for you, sorry

23:25:28 benkay: nahkunt: let me know if you have anything that's less retarded than a retarded thread on a retarded forum.

23:25:32 ThickAsThieves: mp, okay, but i do feel some prep would be nice

23:25:40 mircea_popescu: ok, ask ?

23:25:41 lolstate: I don’r need neew info, TAT. That’s ok.

23:25:57 lolstate: But the dissection has to happen.

23:26:03 benkay: why, lolstate ?

23:26:08 benkay: what is there to dissect?

23:26:14 lolstate: Police will disect soon enough.

23:26:15 benkay: shit blew up. it's over. on to the next one.

23:26:19 ThickAsThieves: i'll start a doc tomorrow (i'm not entirely sober atm) but basically who are the targets, and what are the main gripes and concerns to be expressed to each

23:26:37 lolstate: No really. If there was fraud, the cops will be interested.

23:26:38 bounce: probably gonna need someone on the headset relaying irc (teamspeak?) during panels

23:26:58 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves as far as im concenred, the "why are you not publishing reports @vehe" is all.

23:27:04 nahkunt: benkay: ok man... i think you're misinterpreting my tone, i wasn't really all that serious about it. i just came to ask people's opinion on https://vertpay.com — they're having an IPO soon

23:27:05 ThickAsThieves: i should probably buy an audio recorder

23:27:06 benkay: lolstate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WM1RChZk1EU

23:27:10 mircea_popescu: i have no idea who the rest of the derps present are or why'd i/anyone care.

23:27:11 ThickAsThieves: but mp so many people will be there

23:27:17 ThickAsThieves: like Josh from BFL

23:27:24 mircea_popescu: so many people are @gcs in ny right now

23:27:25 mircea_popescu: so what of it

23:27:30 ThickAsThieves: the Overstock guy

23:27:32 ThickAsThieves: etc

23:27:40 mircea_popescu: the overstock guy is a year away from sense

23:27:48 mircea_popescu: i may be the lord of all evil but i can't compress time.

23:27:49 lolstate: TAT, are you still in securities? Aren’t you jaded now?

23:27:55 benkay: nahkunt: "Merchant adoption is the single biggest driver in encouraging the spread of a cryptocurrency." << sounds like a ploy to hype a shitcoin

23:27:57 mircea_popescu: except with willing women.

23:28:10 ThickAsThieves: lolstate i've been jaded since i was like 8 years old

23:28:24 fluffypony: nahkunt: I'm off to bed, but hit me up tomorrow if you have any VertPay questions

23:28:27 mircea_popescu: nahkunt you ever read the canonical statement to the contrary ?

23:28:36 nahkunt: fluffypony: ok thanks i will

23:28:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5132 @ 0.00083975 = 4.3096 BTC [-] {3}

23:28:45 nahkunt: mircea_popescu: nope, link it?

23:28:48 fluffypony: benkay: paybee got rolled into vertpay

23:29:01 ThickAsThieves: lolstate i am in no way involved with bitcoin securities at this time, well, other than owning some personally

23:29:16 lolstate: Ok

23:29:32 benkay: fluffypony: vertpay is yours?!

23:29:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.06474168 = 0.259 BTC [-]

23:29:41 mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-prices-bitcoin-inflexibility/#comment-92015

23:29:41 benkay: fluffypony: you're tying yourself to shitcoins that aren't atc?

23:29:41 ozbot: Bitcoin prices, Bitcoin inflexibility pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

23:29:43 benkay: for shame mah nigga

23:29:47 lolstate: MP’s attitude is naive. When the Feds come, it wil be because there are new crypto-carreers to be bulit.

23:29:50 fluffypony: hah hah

23:29:59 fluffypony: benkay: don't worry, we'll branch into ATC soon :-P

23:30:02 ThickAsThieves: mp's plan actually exists

23:30:07 nahkunt: what is ATC?

23:30:17 benkay: http://therealaltcoin.org

23:30:18 fluffypony: nahkunt: http://www.therealaltcoin.org

23:30:42 fluffypony: it's the only hipster altcoin

23:30:45 mircea_popescu: %diff

23:30:46 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 455357.13 Est. Next Diff: 140052.98 in 1630 blocks (#32256) Est. % Change: -69.24

23:30:48 ThickAsThieves: i scooped mp's legal plan a while back

23:30:48 mircea_popescu: that.

23:30:54 lolstate: TAT, do you still have a current LMB share-holder/transfer-to-Havelock list?

23:31:17 lolstate: Not trying to wind you up, TAT, just fact-finding!

23:31:23 nahkunt: fluffypony: serious question: will you consider other altcoins than vert some day? i realise that's pipedream talk but i'm curious

23:31:25 ThickAsThieves: to what end?

23:31:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00084131 = 6.8146 BTC [+]

23:31:56 mircea_popescu: wait wait. fluffypony what exactly is your relation to vertcon or w/e and wtf is it ?

23:31:59 fluffypony: nahkunt: definitely, that's the plan, but it's important for us to have a definitive starting point

23:32:23 nahkunt: yes i agree and i think it's a wise decision to start with just vert

23:32:29 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I found someone doing something similar to PayBee but Vertcoin-specific, so I struck a deal with them and we've been sorting things out over the past couple of weeks

23:32:37 mircea_popescu: wtf is a vertcoin

23:32:41 ThickAsThieves: i'm not sure if i have a 'current' list lolstate, i may have taken a screen shot of the lmb site before it went away, but otherwise, the 'list' of pending transfers was not saved

23:32:55 benkay: another shitcoin.

23:33:00 mircea_popescu: scrypt ?

23:33:01 lolstate: Ok, TAT, that’s reasonable.

23:33:02 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: an altcoin, selling point is that it uses scrypt-n so it's asic-resistant

23:33:06 mircea_popescu: ah.

23:33:11 mircea_popescu: oh oh that thing

23:33:14 mircea_popescu: shit man that's obscure

23:33:18 fluffypony: the n-factor is determined by block height or something

23:33:21 mircea_popescu: yes yes

23:33:33 mircea_popescu: so what's your slice, like... bored one day ?

23:33:43 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: it made sense to do that than try do PayBee

23:33:51 mircea_popescu: aha

23:34:48 mircea_popescu: is paybee even functional yet ?

23:35:27 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: backend stuff, the VertPay guys have a dev team so some of the code's been discarded in favour of what they have, and some can be re-used

23:35:31 fluffypony: so everyone wins

23:36:07 mircea_popescu: https://github.com/paybee/electrum-doge/blob/master/AUTHORS o look, he's even i nthere.

23:36:27 fluffypony: werd

23:36:50 fluffypony: and in there: https://github.com/paybee/electrum-vert/blob/master/AUTHORS

23:36:50 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what was the gpg competitor nsa was pushing << it was clipper. not strictly speaking a pgp competitor

23:36:56 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah

23:36:59 asciilifeform: intended for voice telephony

23:37:14 mircea_popescu: fluffypony all the sikrits you keep from us!

23:37:18 mircea_popescu: anyway, so what's the plan ?

23:37:21 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: nobody ever asked!

23:37:59 fluffypony: we put together a small board that consists of myself plus a few others that were already involved in VertPay

23:38:18 mircea_popescu: no but i mean what do you intend for it to do.

23:38:43 fluffypony: Vertcoin payment gateway, but dev it as a white-labelled PayBee

23:39:02 mircea_popescu: what's payment gateway mean in this context ?

23:39:05 mircea_popescu: !up DoctorBTC

23:39:05 assbot: Voicing DoctorBTC for 30 minutes.

23:39:44 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: accept arbitrary altcoins, cash out to fiat / BTC in whatever ratio they'd like

23:39:46 asciilifeform: re: fusion: Farnsworth's device.

23:40:12 mircea_popescu: well ok, but i mean how would you cover fiat ? need a buncha bank accts.

23:40:37 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: you missed the whole PayBee proposal! it backs up onto Bitpay, so no need for any of tha t:)

23:40:38 fluffypony: *that

23:40:51 fluffypony: they handle all the fiat stuff (including regulatory hurdles)

23:40:57 mircea_popescu: ah that's what you mean by wl paybee

23:41:01 *: fluffypony nods

23:41:05 mircea_popescu: aok.

23:41:11 mircea_popescu: so they paying you ? :D

23:41:26 fluffypony: of course, part of the deal :)

23:41:44 mircea_popescu: just asking because you recall the earlier discussion re identifying stakeholders

23:41:53 mircea_popescu: you never know whether people do or don't know shit.

23:42:04 fluffypony: agreed

23:42:56 ThickAsThieves: some notables that will be in Amsterdam: Gavin Andresen, Mike Hearn, Jinyoung Lee Englund (that snakey twitter liar hackathon canceller), Matonis, Marco Santori (self-proclaimed bitcoin lawyer), Jeff Garzi, BitPay, Coinbase, Nic Cary, Electrum, Armory, BitAngels, Circle, Bloomberg, NY Times, Mastercoin, Ripple (like 4 dudes!), eToro, Coindesk, ZipZap, Xapo, Erik Voorhees, Vessenes, The

23:42:56 ThickAsThieves: Economist, CoinTerra, BTCJam, Roger Ver, Kraken, Bitstamp, BFL, Maidsafe

23:43:08 ThickAsThieves: surely you guys have things you'd love to ask some of those entities

23:43:14 fluffypony: oh MaidSafe AND BTCJam will be there! splendid

23:43:40 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves no but looky : gavin quit, he can have his peace. asking shit out of nobodies a la hearn or that egglund chick is like... no matter what yo uasked, it's still +ev for them

23:43:44 mircea_popescu: "look ma, someone talked to us!"

23:44:10 mircea_popescu: maybe ask nic cary why he's not given ms boring the title :D

23:44:36 ThickAsThieves: ms boring?

23:44:47 mircea_popescu: you can ask the ripple people about mah ripple article if you particularly wish to be annoying, but i mean to what end.

23:44:54 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves the bitcoingirl earlier.

23:44:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.03389999 = 0.1695 BTC [-] {2}

23:44:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03164272 = 0.1582 BTC [-] {2}

23:45:00 ThickAsThieves: oh

23:45:21 ThickAsThieves: ;;google trilema.com ripple

23:45:22 gribble: RIPple, the definitive discussion. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: http://trilema.com/ripple-the-definitive-discussion; Ripple - Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/Ripple/; NEXT: 20-03-2014 - #bitcoin-assets log: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2014&bots=true

23:45:34 fluffypony: oh goodie, reading material for bed

23:45:36 fluffypony: tks ThickAsThieves

23:45:49 mircea_popescu: you can also ask ver how does it feel to have had a bunch of btc way back, and now toi have none, and just hang on to the memories of back when he could throw k's at the foundatyion.

23:45:54 mircea_popescu: but, again, why be so evil.

23:45:59 mircea_popescu: !up kanzure

23:45:59 assbot: Voicing kanzure for 30 minutes.

23:46:09 fluffypony: ok bed time for reals now, night

23:46:22 ThickAsThieves: yeah my intent isnt to be evil so much as to expose it

23:46:27 mircea_popescu: dont you guys think this guy's wife is like stealing him away from us ?

23:47:03 mircea_popescu: http://www.republicain-lorrain.fr/meurthe-et-moselle/2014/04/10/le-logiciel-nanceien-qui-securise-le-bitcoin haha good one.

23:48:46 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves https://twitter.com/jinyoungenglund/status/463101470821605376 << she says they neverannounced one

23:50:00 ThickAsThieves: hmm

23:50:09 ThickAsThieves: i never heard of one til it was cancelled

23:50:12 mircea_popescu: "-Peter, Chief Scientist, Dark Wallet"

23:50:13 ThickAsThieves: to point to her i guess

23:50:18 ThickAsThieves: so*

23:50:29 mircea_popescu: you knoiw, i think i followed you into some sort of very obscure reddit/wikipedia drama.

23:50:35 mircea_popescu: some darkwallet fork and w/e

23:50:38 mircea_popescu: !up princessnell

23:50:38 assbot: Voicing princessnell for 30 minutes.

23:50:40 ThickAsThieves: lol

23:51:37 mircea_popescu: so openly admitting that im a totally unhip and out of the loop curmudgeon : da fuck's supposed to be the difference between "a hackathon" and "a start-up challenge" ?

23:51:47 mircea_popescu: the chick's using them as if they were terms of art. are they ?

23:52:03 mircea_popescu: i mean i get it, hackathon is that make teams and do a project thing

23:52:11 mircea_popescu: but a start-up challenge can easily be identical neh ?

23:52:39 ThickAsThieves: i dunno, i assume no coding is oinvolved in the latter

23:54:46 mircea_popescu: so like a marketathon ?

23:55:23 princessnell: rite

23:55:39 mircea_popescu: o look who;'s there

23:55:51 benkay: lo, for she speaks

23:55:52 ThickAsThieves: pitch decks, i bet

23:56:03 ThickAsThieves: a term you will see more and more in bitcoin world i suspect

23:56:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00083937 = 13.5139 BTC [-] {3}

23:56:23 benkay: coding is exclusive, y'assholes

23:56:56 benkay: gotta make room for the mktdroids

23:57:19 benkay: 'business plans' from people who've never run businesses and cannot plan.

23:57:30 ThickAsThieves: i started a rough list, please add your Q's or any other suggestions http://devilsadvocate.biz/amsterdam-bitcoin-conferences-quantum-mining-and-the-future/#comment-16

23:57:58 mircea_popescu: "People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to harness rich women than motorcycle gangs."

23:58:09 ThickAsThieves: lol

23:58:12 benkay: mircea_popescu: for them to be terms of art, there'd need to be a field and for that field to have experts.

23:58:54 mircea_popescu: shush you.

23:58:57 mircea_popescu: this is the future.

23:59:27 benkay: i'm an expert at selling bullshit to vc's.

23:59:38 benkay: fartspert

23:59:54 benkay: hue hue hue