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00:00:11 asciilifeform: moiety: the emulator is a very ragged toy. the actual gadget works considerably better.

00:01:19 asciilifeform: at some point i'll get around to selling the actual microwriter

00:01:24 asciilifeform: (not much use for it here)

00:01:46 bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/bitcoinpete/status/473977662294081537

00:01:48 assbot: SEC, Voorhees, etc. http://t.co/AZIAh29FsN via /BBoingo

00:02:18 BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: Thanks. Got to beat Coindesk to the aggragators

00:02:48 BingoBoingo: moiety: I'm guessing you aren't familiar serious humidity.

00:03:22 bitcoinpete: np

00:04:26 BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: You seem to have the stronger social media presence

00:05:45 asciilifeform: taking joy in having 'strong social media presence' would be rather like rejoicing in living next to a swamp, to have 'strong mosquito presence'

00:06:29 bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: lol seem? i'm happy to help :)

00:06:52 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It isn't that there is benefit derived from it. It is that when we can beat the Coindesks to the aggregators, it injures them in ways only they can rationalize.

00:07:30 BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: Well, I'm gifting you that Canadian modesty.

00:08:22 bitcoinpete: asciilifeform: there's most certainly benefit derived from twitter and west nile isn't the half of it

00:08:26 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened.

00:08:59 bitcoinpete: not saying it's much of a benefit… just non-zero

00:09:18 asciilifeform: think back to the purpose of the phoundation.

00:10:13 asciilifeform: or the myriad 'tame' seekoority blogs, which studiously avoid mention of nsa, etc.

00:11:46 moiety: BingoBoingo: not really, I don't think thailand for a fortnight, hopping from aircon to aircon counts lol

00:12:15 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I remember that time quite a while back when, maybe it was accident on your part, but you loosened the anus's of the various Apple Occultists with your hypercard post.

00:12:55 *: BingoBoingo realized this week he had indeed run into Loper well before -assets

00:13:26 BingoBoingo: Digging through archives I found hypercard setup VM exactly as asciilifeform described

00:14:59 moiety: asciilifeform: what should a microwriter cost now (approx)?

00:21:27 asciilifeform: moiety: no clue. got mine on ebay a few yrs back for about 100 usd

00:21:43 asciilifeform: moiety: it's rare enough that there is no ready source for it

00:22:09 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: loosened the anus's of the various Apple Occultists << that might've been 'non-apple's mistake'

00:24:04 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, the VM's name was one of the library school classes, so maybe I did the loosening during a presentation in a technology class.

00:24:39 moiety: you get modern usb ones :o i think the older ones look nicer though.definitely one for the collection

00:25:29 BingoBoingo: This was a crowd of the sort where "technology"=="social media"

00:25:30 []bot: Bet placed: 1.5 BTC for No on "Bitcoin over $1000 before September" http://bitbet.us/bet/866/ Odds: 57(Y):43(N) by coin, 58(Y):42(N) by weight. Total bet: 7.02379439 BTC. Current weight: 90,188.

00:25:32 nubbins`: BingoBoingo: i actually had wondered why $15k plus damages -- didn't realize until you pointed out that they didn't touch s.dice

00:25:40 nubbins`: ty

00:26:11 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: You're welcome. I mean the summaries suck when the ignore the SEC's endorsement of MPEx in the actual filing.

00:26:33 nubbins`: well, you're one upvote closer to the front page

00:27:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00086494 = 4.5842 BTC [+]

00:27:41 *: BingoBoingo remembers the project as "present what three vendors have in the way of tools for advancing technology education"

00:30:10 *: BingoBoingo presented OS 7.5.1 with Hypercard, lynx, and Sun Ultra 80.

00:30:30 bloctoc: Financial Times has a paragraph today on mpex, alongside the SEC story on Erik Vorhees.

00:30:44 nubbins`: link?

00:30:50 nubbins`: this is actually hilariously epic

00:31:01 nubbins`: mp tells the sec to get stuffed, they shrug and then do exactly that

00:31:03 bloctoc: probably won't work, but here goes:

00:31:04 bloctoc: http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/d918d732-eb33-11e3-8a5f-00144feabdc0.html?siteedition=intl#axzz33cnsgN8s

00:31:04 assbot: Financial Times | Error | Akamai Error

00:31:59 BingoBoingo: bloctoc: Paste?

00:32:20 moiety: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d918d732-eb33-11e3-8a5f-00144feabdc0.html

00:32:20 assbot: Financial Times | Error | Akamai Error

00:32:28 moiety: whyyyy

00:32:35 bloctoc: can you yokels not afford FT subscription?

00:32:48 nubbins`: it's more a case of not being interested in supporting a paywall

00:32:59 BingoBoingo: bloctoc: Not can't afford. Can't conscience sending them money.

00:33:18 BingoBoingo: They aren't in my WoT

00:34:31 bloctoc: that may change. FT didn't mention the price or say btc is tulip, ponzi, scam. They're usually pretty abusive.

00:35:05 bloctoc: High quality global journalism requires investment. Please share this article with others using the link below, do not cut & paste the article. See our Ts&Cs and Copyright Policy for more detail. Email ftsales.support@ft.com to buy additional rights. http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d918d732-eb33-11e3-8a5f-00144feabdc0.html#ixzz33cqGlqoz

00:35:05 assbot: Financial Times | Error | Akamai Error

00:35:05 bloctoc: A number of Bitcoin enthusiasts have been drawn to trading in shares of virtual currency companies, or other financial instruments such as Bitcoin derivatives, traded in Bitcoin on unregulated websites. MPex, the Romanian exchange where SatoshiDice used to trade, currently lists four stocks, one fund and five derivatives for trading.

00:35:48 bloctoc: was that paywall too?

00:36:49 BingoBoingo: bloctoc: yeah, they are writing out their possibility of being in my WoT with the inane engineering of their paywall

00:37:05 nubbins`: hahahah

00:37:09 nubbins`: bloctoc, view source

00:37:12 nubbins`: those bastards

00:37:17 nubbins`: i'll never give them money now

00:37:31 bloctoc: put me in your wot and I'll pm you

00:37:53 nubbins`: but i don't trust you D:

00:38:17 bloctoc: what? I'm a great guy!

00:39:12 BingoBoingo: bloctoc: Have you even looked at ft.com on lynx if you reject cookies?

00:40:31 bloctoc: that doesn't sound even remotely fun.

00:40:46 nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-motorist-accused-in-two-deaths-said-she-was-helping-ducks-1.2663840

00:40:48 assbot: Quebec motorist accused in two deaths said she was helping ducks - Montreal - CBC News

00:40:57 mike_c: http://www.dpaste.com/2FV2RAW/#wrap

00:40:58 assbot: dpaste: 2FV2RAW

00:41:05 mike_c: ^ ft article

00:42:16 BingoBoingo: ;;rate mike_c 3 liberator, analytic, numerical enforcer of honesty

00:42:17 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 3 for user mike_c has been recorded.

00:42:29 mike_c: grazie

00:43:24 BingoBoingo: mike_c: I'm not sure, but I think I just changed the text

00:44:00 BingoBoingo: ;;rate asciilifeform 4 Realized I've been using his writings longer than I remembered

00:44:01 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user asciilifeform has changed from 2 to 4.

00:44:07 moiety: Paste of FT.com article for anyone wanting it: http://justpaste.it/030614

00:44:07 assbot: Bitcoin business owner fined by SEC over share sales By... - justpaste.it

00:44:55 moiety: ah i'm too slow mike_c XD

00:46:07 mike_c: yours has nicer fonts though.

00:47:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00086541 = 4.7598 BTC [+]

00:48:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00086559 = 11.3392 BTC [+]

00:48:39 bloctoc: did satoshi dice really raise 10 million BTC?

00:49:09 bloctoc: with a 100 Million BTC valuation?

00:49:15 bloctoc: seems almost impossible

00:50:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.2 = 0.4 BTC [+]

00:50:41 nubbins`: things were different back then

00:51:12 mike_c: that is still impossible. that would have been, what, ALL the btc?

00:51:12 bloctoc: there was a cap of 21 million btc back then

00:51:43 bloctoc: I think 100 million is all the doge

00:52:22 mike_c: nobody would have been able to play :)

00:52:24 BingoBoingo: bloctoc: I thought circulating Doge was in the Billions, either tens or hundreds of

00:52:36 nubbins`: wait, "back then"?

00:56:26 bloctoc: nubbins I'm saying the important things haven't changed since back then.

00:58:29 nubbins`: ah

01:00:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.2 = 1 BTC [+]

01:04:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4263 @ 0.00008018 = 0.3418 BTC [-] {8}

01:06:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5139 @ 0.00007993 = 0.4108 BTC [-] {2}

01:09:34 mike_c: lol. wikipedia is not as creative as us. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber-hose_cryptanalysis

01:09:35 assbot: Rubber-hose cryptanalysis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

01:11:32 mike_c: it's funny how many google queries lead back to stan

01:11:45 mike_c: ;;google rectothermal cryptanalysis

01:11:46 gribble: Schneier on Security: Rubber-Hose Cryptanalysis: https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2008/10/rubber_hose_cry.html; Loper OS » Practical Cryptoanalysis of Elliptic Curve DSA.: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1061; Cryptanalysis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptanalysis

01:16:56 asciilifeform: mike_c: searched for schematics of constant voltage transformer last night, in 'google images', ended up getting this - http://www.maxfarquar.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Oh-Fuck.png

01:17:05 asciilifeform: on account of it being in kako's channel log!

01:17:30 mike_c: i saw that earlier. cracks me up :)

01:18:07 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: See this linking and getting linked thing is insidious...

01:18:15 asciilifeform: and then had a colleague look up 'dec alpha' machine, in same search, and he got... an old post of mine.

01:18:27 asciilifeform: surely i'm not the only person to post a picture of dec alpha.

01:18:43 asciilifeform: conclusion, is, inescapably, that google sucks. but this isn't a discovery.

01:19:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44319 @ 0.00086494 = 38.3333 BTC [-]

01:19:46 BingoBoingo: I wonder if Oreilly would actually commision that title though. I'd buy it.

01:19:47 mike_c: it's like democracy. the worst except for the alternatives.

01:19:56 asciilifeform: i sort of suspect that google tries to feed people their own shit deliberately - by ip block if possible, or by relational inference of some form if not

01:20:18 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That it does

01:21:03 mike_c: damn, jd had a good day.

01:21:06 mike_c: !jd mpif

01:21:06 assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 167.34645873 BTC; +0.36335907 BTC (+0.2176%) since last check 1d 3h 29m 42s ago.

01:21:34 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo, moiety: i didn't know vorhees might've been a spammer. is the accusation true?

01:21:58 asciilifeform: i.e. 'paid users in virtual currency when they retweeted promotional material on Twitter.'

01:22:17 mike_c: line between a marketer and a spammer is thin.

01:22:19 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It's basically what FeedZeBirds was

01:23:06 asciilifeform: damn, i was hoping it was a cruel lie.

01:23:37 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Dunno what it really did. I think he bought it second or third hand

01:24:25 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You also have to understand. Of the relatively early Bitcoiners MP is practically a saint.

01:25:12 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: understatement. practically the only participant whose product works 'as printed on the crate'

01:25:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5209 @ 0.0000889 = 0.4631 BTC [+] {2}

01:25:17 asciilifeform: (to this day)

01:26:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6981 @ 0.00086537 = 6.0411 BTC [+] {2}

01:28:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.075 = 0.75 BTC [-]

01:28:19 asciilifeform: mike_c: the worst except for the alternatives << i sometimes use 'yandex.' it's encrusted with 1990s-style pestilential ad crapola, but mostly works.

01:29:30 asciilifeform: line between a marketer and a spammer << 'cold-caller' is a spammer, period.

01:29:56 asciilifeform: if successful cold-call, might be forgiven, 'treason prospers for the reason that if it prospers none dare call it treason...' etc

01:30:00 asciilifeform: but spam is spam.

01:30:19 asciilifeform: *never prospers

01:34:46 peterl: I used feedzebirds briefly

01:34:53 peterl: it seemed like a nice idea

01:35:04 BingoBoingo: peterl: Do you remember what exactly it was about?

01:35:21 peterl: you got to pick the retweets to send out, and so you could just use the interesting ones

01:36:08 peterl: you got paid based on how many followers you had

01:38:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1777 @ 0.00007902 = 0.1404 BTC [-] {3}

01:48:31 moiety: !up Vexual

01:49:18 moiety: i'll make you shortbread if you ever get in the WoT Vexual :]

01:50:49 Vexual: why thankyou

01:51:47 BingoBoingo: https://bitcointa.lk/index.php?topic=504126.0

01:51:48 assbot: [Cryptostocks]JDBIF another scammer that claims to have lost funds | Bitcointa.lk

01:58:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2929 @ 0.00007605 = 0.2228 BTC [+]

02:01:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5135 @ 0.00007439 = 0.382 BTC [-] {4}

02:04:25 decimation: asciilifeform: do you think it's possible to synthesize VHDL to a 7400 TTL netlist?

02:05:00 Vexual: usagi hotwallet method:to a hot array of failing hard disks is added a bitcoin wallet, and all backups. Hotter coffee is added splashwise until the hot wallet becomes cold.

02:05:12 BingoBoingo: lol Vexual

02:06:15 BingoBoingo: So. Meterologists are supposing a derechero is possible here in 7-12 hours. If I go silent after that time for a while cause is more likely power outage than rectotherm.

02:06:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2476 @ 0.00007194 = 0.1781 BTC [-] {5}

02:08:21 BingoBoingo: !up Phinnaeus

02:08:35 BingoBoingo: Phinnaeus: Are you finally here, away from the forum?

02:08:39 Phinnaeus: i was just invited

02:08:40 Vexual: what are you making ascii?

02:08:53 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell mircea_popescu I did it

02:08:53 gribble: The operation succeeded.

02:08:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 7 @ 0.07600001 = 0.532 BTC [-] {3}

02:09:00 BingoBoingo: Phinnaeus: Mp isn't on atm

02:09:05 Phinnaeus: k

02:09:16 BingoBoingo: Phinnaeus: But basically this is where him and Hanbot live now.

02:09:17 Phinnaeus: i bet she misses me

02:09:21 BingoBoingo: Indeed

02:09:24 BingoBoingo: Mircea does too

02:09:51 BingoBoingo: MP just moved to Argentina and is busy eating all the steak he can

02:09:53 Phinnaeus: it's been a while since I've used IRC.

02:09:58 Vexual: nsa cocktop?

02:09:59 Phinnaeus: I rarely use it.

02:10:32 BingoBoingo: Phinnaeus: I've moved away from the forum in favor of it after having only a few hours playing with it previously

02:11:18 Phinnaeus: Somebody else from the forum is in Argentina, if I'm not mistaken.

02:11:29 decimation: https://code.google.com/p/end-to-end/

02:11:29 assbot: end-to-end - End-To-End - Google Project Hosting

02:11:34 BingoBoingo: Phinnaeus: I wouldn't be surprised if quite a few are

02:12:00 BingoBoingo: Phinnaeus: How is the northern part of our corrupt hellhole?

02:12:10 Phinnaeus: Does the name Florian Gasquez ring a bell for anybody here?

02:12:23 decimation: "Why do you only support Elliptic Curve (EC) key generation? Generating RSA keypairs is very significantly slower than generating EC-based ones. EC-based keys are just as secure. "

02:12:35 decimation: Eat recycled food etc.

02:13:37 BingoBoingo: Phinnaeus: Not atm for me

02:13:49 Phinnaeus: Look at the bottom of this page: http://web.archive.org/web/20040324225938/http://ff.st/fr/ He still keeps in contact with Mark Karpeles

02:13:50 assbot: FF.ST

02:14:10 Phinnaeus: yes, assbot

02:14:15 BingoBoingo: Interesting...

02:14:37 Phinnaeus: now go to his twitter account: https://twitter.com/un_geek/followers

02:14:39 assbot: Bei Twitter anmelden

02:14:59 Phinnaeus: followers was not important,,,, wrong link

02:15:26 BingoBoingo: Ah, Phin are you in the bitcoin-otc WoT yet?

02:15:31 BingoBoingo: !up Phinnaeus

02:15:38 Phinnaeus: but this part is: https://twitter.com/Weelya

02:15:40 assbot: weelya (weelya) auf Twitter

02:16:25 BingoBoingo: Moar interesting

02:16:27 Phinnaeus: Boy, I think I just figured out that assbot is not a real person.

02:16:36 BingoBoingo: it happens

02:16:47 BingoBoingo: kakobrekla is assbot's bot herder

02:17:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07501054 = 0.3751 BTC [+]

02:17:11 BingoBoingo: !topic

02:17:19 BingoBoingo: http://bitcoin-assets.com || http://log.bitcoin-assets.com || http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com || http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com

02:17:19 assbot: #bitcoin-assets | You cannot stop the clouds by the building of a ship.

02:17:20 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

02:17:20 assbot: #bitcoin-assets bash

02:17:20 assbot: Assets Assimilated

02:17:37 BingoBoingo: Phinnaeus: Anyways this channel has a log, and a bash and other shit

02:17:39 Phinnaeus: Now, go here and read the last few tweets (will only take a sec): https://twitter.com/sboj

02:17:41 assbot: Steve Boj (sboj) auf Twitter

02:18:31 *: BingoBoingo can't tell if nausea is the vodka or the tweet connections

02:19:21 BingoBoingo: !up Vexual

02:20:01 Phinnaeus: Then it all ties in to something call http://ape-project.org/

02:20:01 assbot: APE (Ajax Push Engine) :: Comet server :: Real time data streaming

02:20:45 BingoBoingo: OMG AJAX is a scammer!

02:20:46 Phinnaeus: what the heck is a bot herder

02:21:14 BingoBoingo: Phinnaeus: He keeps the IRC bot in line and occasionally blesses it with new functions

02:21:25 Phinnaeus: http://goatsdoitonmounds.org

02:21:52 Phinnaeus: I think I just broke it. LOL

02:21:59 BingoBoingo: http://goatsonthings.tumblr.com/page/9

02:22:00 assbot: Goats On Things

02:22:13 Phinnaeus: ...so I thought

02:22:16 BingoBoingo: Yeah

02:22:37 BingoBoingo: The title thing is pretty new. ozbot used to do that and deliver porn to the channel

02:23:16 Vexual: what happened to that?

02:23:31 BingoBoingo: ;;google site:fraudsters.com #bitcoin-assets +m

02:23:32 gribble: #bitcoin-assets +m pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/2014/bitcoin-assets-m/; A virtual socioeconomic problem pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea ...: http://fraudsters.com/2014/a-virtual-socioeconomic-problem/; The elitism memory hole effect pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea ...: http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-elitism-memory-hole-effect/

02:23:56 Vexual: .d

02:24:42 BingoBoingo: ;;gettrust Phinnaeus

02:24:43 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user BingoBoingo to user Phinnaeus: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=BingoBoingo&dest=Phinnaeus | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Phinnaeus | Rated since: never

02:25:13 Phinnaeus: I'm curious as to when Micrea had that pic taken where he's in front of the pyramid on a horse.

02:25:24 BingoBoingo: Apparently that was years ago

02:25:40 Phinnaeus: 2008

02:25:52 Phinnaeus: When Brock Pierce was there?

02:25:56 BingoBoingo: I don't know for sure

02:26:09 BingoBoingo: Brock Pierce is a fucking chomo

02:26:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2 BTC [+]

02:26:33 Phinnaeus: What is this trust thing I'm asked to get?

02:26:52 BingoBoingo: Phinnaeus: You can register a GPG key or BTC address with gribble

02:27:07 BingoBoingo: then I can rate you and you can get auto voice for being Phinnaeus

02:27:10 Vexual: does gribble flip coins?

02:27:15 BingoBoingo: ;;coin

02:27:15 gribble: heads

02:27:17 BingoBoingo: ;;coin

02:27:18 gribble: heads

02:27:20 BingoBoingo: ;;coin

02:27:20 gribble: tails

02:27:34 Vexual: can she flip 2?

02:27:45 BingoBoingo: http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/OTC_Rating_System

02:27:48 assbot: OTC Rating System - bitcoin-otc wiki

02:27:52 BingoBoingo: ^ Phinnaeus

02:27:57 Phinnaeus: Okay. Gribble, send me some coins via the address I'm about to give you so that you truly know it's me.

02:28:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.0278007 = 0.278 BTC [+]

02:28:26 BingoBoingo: lol

02:28:47 BingoBoingo: If you BTC address auth it's the stupid signature thing...

02:29:28 Phinnaeus: I could reply to the person who sent me here via PM on BT

02:29:46 BingoBoingo: Phinnaeus: That's me. I'm Atruk on the forum.

02:30:12 Phinnaeus: Just sent you a PM

02:30:41 BingoBoingo: Tis indeed you

02:30:59 Phinnaeus: You can me me, too. 815-508-1668

02:31:34 BingoBoingo: Phinnaeus: But if you know I'm 618 that's like... 3/5ths of the state's area I could be in

02:32:03 BingoBoingo: I also can't register you with the bots... Once you are registered I can rate you.

02:32:12 BingoBoingo: My powers though are limited.

02:32:28 BingoBoingo: MP probably can explain this all more elegantly

02:32:35 Phinnaeus: How important is to be registered?

02:32:51 BingoBoingo: Phinnaeus: Well, it is a huge convenience thing.

02:33:00 Phinnaeus: Ahhhhh

02:33:03 BingoBoingo: You can give yourself voice in channel

02:33:10 mike_c: asciilifeform: do you know if this is true? "EC-based keys are just as secure as RSA keypairs"

02:33:16 BingoBoingo: otherwise you ask people and they will probably give voice.

02:33:43 BingoBoingo: Phinnaeus: But the keys to give and take voice only are offered to registered people, because crypto

02:34:25 Phinnaeus: Bring me up to speed. What's "take voice" and what's the purpose of this IRC channel (any IRC channel)?

02:35:02 BingoBoingo: Well, this channel exists because... Maybe someone can explain it better...

02:35:13 BingoBoingo: Basically "Forum has problems"

02:35:39 BingoBoingo: Phinnaeus: Voice, giving and taking of it, is an idiot silencing and anti-spam measure.

02:35:55 Phinnaeus: Remember, I'm the Bitcoiner that doesn't mine, nor host a client. And, trust InstaWallet with my 1,132 BTC of which davout (staff of BT) now has in one of his fat-ass wallets.

02:35:56 moiety: BingoBoingo: re: goat on a cliff. "If you squint just right you can see how it got there" lolol

02:36:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5800 @ 0.00006081 = 0.3527 BTC [-] {8}

02:36:57 mike_c: Phinnaeus: bingo linked you to a good post on the point of it all earlier. worth reading if you're thinking of hanging out here: http://fraudsters.com/2014/bitcoin-assets-m/

02:36:58 assbot: #bitcoin-assets +m pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

02:37:14 BingoBoingo: moiety: Did you see the sort of eldrich not Manul beast I encountered Monday?

02:37:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 14765 @ 0.00004298 = 0.6346 BTC [-] {16}

02:38:12 Phinnaeus: thanks for the link BB

02:38:43 BingoBoingo: Phinnaeus: You are welcome. Pretty sure there's more stuff to get caught up on after spending so long in the Thermos ghetto.

02:39:12 Phinnaeus: They love me there!

02:40:00 moiety: i made a quick how-to in the wiki on the homepage too Phinnaeus in case thats of any help

02:40:18 moiety: no i haven't BB :o logged?

02:40:37 BingoBoingo: ;;google alligator snapping turtle

02:40:38 gribble: Alligator snapping turtle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alligator_snapping_turtle; Alligator Snapping Turtle - National Geographic: http://animals.nationalgeographic.com/animals/reptiles/alligator-snapping-turtle/; Alligator Snapping Turtle - National Zoo| FONZ: (1 more message)

02:41:24 BingoBoingo: moiety: Local was wrestling with one of these Pizza sized critters trying to get it off the road

02:41:27 Vexual: that thing is cooler than a goat on something

02:41:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 18 @ 0.04622666 = 0.8321 BTC [-] {8}

02:42:05 moiety: that is not a turtle, that thing is from game of thrones or something

02:42:48 peterl: Phinnaeus: wow, suprised to see you here. You still feeding hungry people?

02:42:51 BingoBoingo: Thing is native to parts of Illinois, but there is a lack of evidence it was ever native to place I passed it, but "reintroducing species" and shit like that

02:43:20 Phinnaeus: I was surprised to see that Mircea was banned on BT a while back.

02:43:24 moiety: "lost/abandoned exotic pets"

02:43:41 Phinnaeus: Question: I met Goat in KC last year. Is he a good guy?

02:44:03 *: nubbins` blinks

02:44:09 nubbins`: BingoBoingo, you're Atruk on the forum?

02:44:18 BingoBoingo: Phinnaeus: Well... actually Hannah was banned

02:44:31 assbot: [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 10000 @ 0.00021548 = 2.1548 BTC [+]

02:44:32 Phinnaeus: @peter That's Jason King's outfit, that I was just helping out.

02:44:35 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: yeah, didn't you know... from like the signature...

02:45:10 nubbins`: never made the connection

02:45:16 moiety: I'd know that beard anywhere now!

02:45:16 BingoBoingo: Phinnaeus: My impression is he's friendly. Misguided. Opportunistic. Maybe one of stupid or self serving.

02:45:21 Phinnaeus: Was Hannah the one that had that pick of toes last year that Jack Off to very now and then?

02:45:29 BingoBoingo: Phinnaeus: That's the one

02:45:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.0000762 = 0.381 BTC [+] {5}

02:45:38 BingoBoingo: !up Phinnaeus

02:45:41 nubbins`: i've done some business with goat, nice enough guy, seems a bit scatterbrained

02:45:46 BingoBoingo: Phinnaeus: Still here?

02:45:50 Phinnaeus: y

02:46:03 BingoBoingo: Phinnaeus: Your 30 minutes of voice expired

02:46:07 BingoBoingo: Had to renew it.

02:46:25 Phinnaeus: I've been on here for 30 minutes already?

02:46:30 BingoBoingo: So it seems

02:46:40 nubbins`: time flies :D

02:47:01 Phinnaeus: ...while you're taking a shit...literally!

02:47:04 nubbins`: you may also wish to use an actual irc client instead of the web interface, lots of handy features like tab-completion for nicks

02:47:23 nubbins`: for example, i just type "ph" and hit tab to get "Phinnaeus"

02:47:43 BingoBoingo: Phinnaeus: also, courtesy of asciilifeform here's Hannah and Mircea in the same picture if you haven't seen it already http://www.loper-os.org/wp-content/tri2.jpg

02:47:45 nubbins`: also, you can sort of just minimize it without worrying about timeouts etc

02:48:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.00087545 = 2.1886 BTC [+]

02:48:49 Vexual: oh mircea, zips on your boots!

02:48:57 Phinnaeus: I'm a noob when it comes to all this client stuff

02:49:12 BingoBoingo: Phinnaeus: We all still are

02:49:24 Vexual: tsk tsk

02:49:36 moiety: they are really handy once youve had a wee click about. it's all straightforward nick and pass stuff

02:49:47 BingoBoingo: !up Vexual

02:49:48 moiety: !up Vexual

02:49:51 Phinnaeus: But, I do okay with HTML, CSS and Google-fu

02:50:05 BingoBoingo: Phinnaeus: X chat may be a good client to try then

02:50:07 mike_c: i hate cloudflare as much as everyone, but this is actually a really useful primer on RSA and EC if you are new to the details of how they work:

02:50:10 mike_c: http://blog.cloudflare.com/a-relatively-easy-to-understand-primer-on-elliptic-curve-cryptography

02:50:11 assbot: A (Relatively Easy To Understand) Primer on Elliptic Curve Cryptography | CloudFlare Blog

02:50:18 moiety: then an irc client will be nothing :D

02:50:45 moiety: i have gone back to xchat and i have no idea why. i'm missing smuxi

02:50:46 BingoBoingo: Or smuxi's another good one.

02:50:58 BingoBoingo: moiety: Is it the SASL plugin?

02:51:00 Phinnaeus: I thought Hannah was the primer on elliptic curves.

02:51:07 BingoBoingo: lol

02:51:41 BingoBoingo: That's actually fluffypony's photoshopped wife

02:51:59 nubbins`: lel

02:52:11 peterl: nubbins`: wow, I didn't know that about tab completion. Learn something new every day!

02:52:26 Phinnaeus: I guess after a few more sessions here, I'll get up to speed as to how to use this IRC thingie.

02:52:29 nubbins`: peterl, hang around me and you'll learn a few new things every day

02:52:41 Vexual: i keep my left hand on tab always

02:53:07 nubbins`: Phinnaeus: a dedicated client can also highlight lines with your nickname, play a sound when you're mentioned, etc

02:53:09 moiety: BB, no what's actually bothering me is the colours. everyone had their own before and i guess i just got used to it. now its in blocks of i'm not sure but they are definitely shared

02:53:11 Phinnaeus: So that's where The Thinker keeps his left hand.

02:53:27 Phinnaeus: I do hear the sound part.

02:54:19 Phinnaeus: Got to go back to Google-fuuing, all.

02:54:32 moiety: i like how clients identify you automatically to nickserv when you open it

02:54:36 Phinnaeus: Or, is it fuing?

02:54:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7661 @ 0.000075 = 0.5746 BTC [-]

02:54:43 nubbins`: hard to say

02:54:43 nubbins`: peace

02:54:48 Vexual: love

02:54:54 peterl: happiness

02:54:56 Phinnaeus: Tell Mircea I stopped by, BB.

02:55:06 peterl: he will se it in the logs

02:55:29 Phinnaeus: Speaking of log, need to wipe now.

02:55:38 Phinnaeus: logs

02:55:39 peterl: or you can have gribble tell him later

02:55:53 Phinnaeus: late, guys

02:55:57 Phinnaeus: later

02:56:13 moiety: bye Phinnaeus nice to meet you

02:57:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00087549 = 11.4689 BTC [+] {2}

02:58:49 asciilifeform: decimation: VHDL to a 7400 TTL netlist << certainly. i think brad parker (author of CADR, symbolics, and TI LM emulators) had a widget that does just this.

02:59:34 decimation: one could use a commercial tool and hack it, but it would be neat if there were a tool that took into account gate delays etc.

03:00:26 decimation: I'll see if I can find Mr. Parker's warez

03:00:32 moiety: he had to go fuuing BB, he said he would be back

03:01:13 asciilifeform: mike_c: EC-based keys << complicated subject. the only solidly established fact is that the american curves are to be avoided.

03:01:23 nubbins`: ;;view

03:01:25 gribble: #20672 Mon Jun 2 11:57:18 2014 nubbins` SELL 1.0 OFFICIAL #bitcoin-assets t-shirt @ 0.039728 BTC (Worldwide shipping included. Optional '#bitcoin-assets / freenode' text on back. http://imgur.com/jmcSFTx)

03:01:28 mike_c: hehe. you mean the nsa recommended ones?

03:01:54 decimation: It is interesting that google "dropped support" of RSA in alpha for "performance reasons"

03:01:57 Vexual: asciilifeform:what are you making re: 7400s? no such lAptop?

03:02:08 decimation: no doubt, EC is better to implement in the hell that is javascript

03:02:21 moiety: just how big are these tshirts btw nubbins`?

03:02:33 nubbins`: moiety depends on the size ;)

03:02:34 decimation: but I suspect the majority of existing GPG keys use RSA (or maybe elgamal)

03:02:42 asciilifeform: Vexual: what are you making re: 7400s << nothing at present

03:02:45 nubbins`: we use regular gildan tees, sizes from small to xxl

03:03:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4602 @ 0.000075 = 0.3452 BTC [-]

03:03:56 moiety: kk, makes sense lol thanks :D

03:04:28 asciilifeform: decimation: EC is a kind of 'devil's temptation' on account of compact keys.

03:04:42 nubbins`: i'll prolly print the current orders in the next couple days

03:06:36 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: tri2.jpg << rng container at bottom left hand corner of photo.

03:06:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 37070 @ 0.000075 = 2.7803 BTC [-]

03:08:33 Vexual: asciilifeform: sexy

03:08:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2 BTC [+]

03:08:59 asciilifeform: lol. in the pic, it's empty.

03:09:23 Vexual: 0-3+-2

03:09:36 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Looks like a safe place

03:09:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.0295 = 0.295 BTC [+]

03:10:02 BingoBoingo: moiety: Heat related equipment problem

03:10:12 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: interestingly, none of the customs inspectors in 3 countries had any wish to open it.

03:10:33 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: They were probably taught better than to.

03:11:26 asciilifeform: Vexual: example of student cpu built with 74xxx logic: http://www.bigmessowires.com/nibbler

03:11:28 assbot: Big Mess o' Wires » Nibbler 4 Bit CPU

03:11:42 asciilifeform: (a bit of a cheat, uses modern sram and rom)

03:11:52 Vexual: neato

03:12:51 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: still surprising. i did expect annoying questions.

03:13:36 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I imagine the inspectors get accustomed to annoying answers and learn not to ask

03:13:37 moiety: thought it must have been a crash of some sort BB

03:13:47 BingoBoingo: moiety: It was.

03:15:19 asciilifeform: i forget who here gave a shit about the CVT, but to round out the story: i did learn the cause of the voltage sags. ancient wiring, too many fat electrical appliances switching on in unison (air conditioner, water heater column)

03:16:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2 BTC [+]

03:16:11 decimation: looking at the end-to-end turd, it appears that they do support many ciphers: aes.js aeskeywrap_testdata.js blowfish.js cipher.js ciphertext.js ecdh.js elgamal.js idea.js rsa.js workerservice.js

03:16:13 decimation: aeskeywrap.js all.js cast5.js cipher_algorithm.js des.js ecdh_testdata.js factory.js key.js workercipher.js

03:16:31 asciilifeform: decimation: still subject to the 'toilet in the kitchen' problem (browser)

03:17:39 asciilifeform: it's hilariously funny how everyone is eager to go back to 1992 and ditch even the most elementary process memory separation.

03:18:32 decimation: no d00d chrome puts each window in it's own process!

03:19:26 nubbins`: alexander shulgin died today

03:19:30 nubbins`: it made me think of vexual

03:19:42 asciilifeform: nubbins`: afaik he's been out of commission for a while (blind?)

03:20:04 nubbins`: stroke, cancer, etc

03:20:07 asciilifeform: nubbins`: his book is neat (2nd volume mostly written by wife, afaik)

03:20:08 nubbins`: hard go these past few years

03:20:12 asciilifeform: !up Vexual

03:20:26 nubbins`: i've been meaning to pick up pihkal / tihkal for years

03:20:51 asciilifeform: he had an... interesting relationship with american gov.

03:20:57 nubbins`: yup!!

03:21:10 nubbins`: spent a long time in a very unique position

03:21:24 asciilifeform: crown license for making/taking whatever drug, in exchange for selling soul.

03:21:58 nubbins`: i recall reading years ago that he was doing the whole *ihkal thing with cacti

03:22:06 asciilifeform: i'd be very curious to hear, from a legal scholar, how this was arranged on paper.

03:22:11 nubbins`: experimenting with compounds, dosing, etc

03:22:28 nubbins`: afaik DEA exemption letter is all you need. would be cool to see

03:22:55 asciilifeform: these used to be... not exactly common, but not entirely unheard of.

03:23:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2 BTC [+]

03:23:28 asciilifeform: -- story interlude -- a lab i once worked in used to house such an experimenter. he was eventually caught in diverting his stash to the black market, and imprisoned. the next guy inherited a few kg of coke.

03:23:42 asciilifeform: he refused to sign for it. ended up contacting various commercial disposal companies

03:23:47 asciilifeform: none of whom wanted the liability

03:23:53 asciilifeform: finally, a funeral home agreed to cremate it.

03:24:12 decimation: lol. I'm pretty sure the DEA tracks that stuff to the mg

03:24:13 asciilifeform: (on account of it being exempt from air pollution regulations, as i understand.)

03:24:21 nubbins`: hah

03:24:45 nubbins`: "method of disposal: vacuum"

03:24:58 asciilifeform: the events took place long before my time, so story is to be taken with grain of salt.

03:25:05 nubbins`: i found it amusing that LSD was the only drug he didn't include trip reports for, on account of there being so many thousands in the literature already

03:25:16 BingoBoingo: http://gawker.com/new-york-times-columnist-maureen-dowd-is-very-bad-at-ge-1585770304

03:25:17 assbot: New York Times Columnist Maureen Dowd Is Very Bad at Getting High

03:26:17 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: all of the described sensations are documented side effects.

03:27:01 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Of course they are. Question is why media outlet proceeds as though they aren't...

03:27:43 nubbins`: lel @ lady getting too high

03:27:55 nubbins`: didn't she know eating it is so much crazier?!

03:28:11 asciilifeform: probably took 'elephant dose,' too.

03:28:32 nubbins`: "i'll just eat a gram", said many stoners an hour before a night-long panic attack

03:29:07 decimation: it appers the google js crypto supports djb's 255 19 curve, I don't know javascript well enough to figure out what is set for the default

03:29:57 asciilifeform: decimation: at this point, it seems reasonable to think of google et al. as 'poisoned tree' and their crypto not worth the effort to audit.

03:30:02 nubbins`: ;;google george jung

03:30:03 gribble: George Jung - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Jung; 'Blow' Inspiration George Jung -- My First Post-Prison Meal Was ...: http://www.tmz.com/2014/06/03/blow-george-jung-prison-release-first-meal-video/; George Jung RELEASED From Prison -- Johnny Depp's 'Blow ...: http://www.tmz.com/2014/06/02/george-jung-blow-inspiration-johnny-depp-released- (1 more message)

03:30:24 BingoBoingo: related link http://gawker.com/sex-doll-with-giant-cans-visibly-aroused-to-sell-used-c-1585671050

03:30:25 assbot: Sex Doll with Giant Cans Visibly Aroused to Sell Used Car on eBay

03:31:52 decimation: well, the trouble is that even if the code in the repository is good, the user downloads the crypto every time he goes to gmail

03:32:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25400 @ 0.00086614 = 22 BTC [-]

03:32:19 decimation: how does the user validate the dog pile of javascript he gets each time?

03:32:45 decimation: aside from your point about memory separation, this just seems kinda dumb

03:33:16 decimation: in the sense that it panders to the lowest common denominator of the webbrowser OS

03:35:45 BingoBoingo: !up Vexual

03:36:17 Vexual: whoa shulgin died

03:42:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0213 = 0.1065 BTC [+]

03:42:59 Vexual: what a tripper

03:45:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5646 @ 0.00086614 = 4.8902 BTC [-]

03:46:38 nubbins`: yup

03:48:56 Vexual: improve dmt, leave the coil for good

03:49:09 Vexual: to da moon

03:50:15 nubbins`: yeh, guy went to the moon long before btc did

03:51:11 nubbins`: his writings and work were a major influence in my formative years

03:51:33 Vexual: the vice article hints at a post humous book

03:51:46 BingoBoingo: What was wrong with the late Hunter S Thompson?

03:51:48 nubbins`: yeah, i know they were writing throughout the 2000's

03:52:06 nubbins`: BingoBoingo: how'd he die, you mean?

03:52:12 nubbins`: or what was his problem when he was still alive

03:52:52 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: I mean what is the problem with declaring him the Socrates of 20th Century drugging?

03:53:09 Vexual: socrates wsnt american

03:53:24 nubbins`: no real problems here

03:53:44 BingoBoingo: http://kotaku.com/creepypasta-had-to-issue-a-statement-saying-slender-man-1585713079

03:53:45 assbot: Creepypasta Wiki Issues Statement Saying Slender Man Isn't Real

03:53:45 Vexual: oh yeah

03:53:59 nubbins`: ooh, that's gonna hurt the defence's case

03:54:07 BingoBoingo: Vexual: Athen was kind of a shithole at the time...

03:54:33 Vexual: i dig

03:54:50 BingoBoingo: "Fading Power'

03:55:31 BingoBoingo: I mean by Aristotle Athen was just that place Macedonians went for easy boys to rape.

03:57:38 nubbins`: hm

03:57:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.02125 = 0.17 BTC [-]

03:57:46 Vexual: mm

03:57:50 nubbins`: something about this drum throne makes my dick fall asleep after a few minutes

03:57:59 Vexual: play that shit

03:58:01 nubbins`: it's a very odd feeling

03:58:11 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: That isn't healthy. Dick can have problems.

03:58:18 nubbins`: it's only on this chair

03:58:25 nubbins`: pins & needles now D:

03:58:27 BingoBoingo: Replace it.

03:58:47 BingoBoingo: Do you really want your favorite vascular organ getting ischemic from clots

03:58:51 Vexual: wait

03:58:56 nubbins`: just so we're clear, i don't sit on a drum throne all day

03:59:01 nubbins`: ;;google drum throne

03:59:02 gribble: New Drum Thrones | Guitar Center: http://www.guitarcenter.com/Drum-Thrones-Drum-Hardware,New-Gear.gc; Amazon.com Top Rated: The best in Drum Set Thrones based on ...: http://www.amazon.com/gp/top-rated/musical-instruments/11966931; Drum Thrones | Musician's Friend: http://www.musiciansfriend.com/drum-thrones

03:59:07 nubbins`: i'm just in the basement smoking ;(

03:59:30 nubbins`: ('throne' is a bit of an embellishment)

03:59:54 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Still sounds dangerous. More so now that you confess to a vasoconstrictor. Go to ER, get TPA shot just in case.

04:00:18 nubbins`: not tobacco

04:00:37 nubbins`: tell ya what, let's meet halfway and i'll just find an actual chair

04:00:50 nubbins`: and skip the ER

04:01:24 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: You may forget, but I recently had a run in with testicular injury and scrotal illness... Stay in a fucking real chair.

04:01:25 Vexual: i bet you can eat a fuckton of bad ass cookies b4 you call the hospital nubbins`

04:01:49 nubbins`: ah, that's right

04:02:08 nubbins`: advice noted and appreciated

04:02:35 BingoBoingo: Area is vascular enough any part that has problem has big problems fast... within hours

04:02:46 Vexual: and if you do try to call the hospital,your phone isnt a phone

04:03:00 nubbins`: hospital on drugs, no fun

04:03:22 BingoBoingo: Right, because they won't give you painkillers if you need them for some reason

04:03:41 assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1XRKPND.txt )

04:03:41 asciilifeform: !b 3

04:03:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.02125 = 0.255 BTC [-]

04:05:58 asciilifeform: !up Vexual

04:08:07 Vexual: www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Gi0OEOl84y

04:13:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.02125 = 0.17 BTC [-]

04:16:52 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

04:16:58 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 637.9, vol: 21448.12339002 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 622.487, vol: 14086.102 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 638.55, vol: 32317.78759484 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 649.0, vol: 29.76492992 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 631.21, vol: 8087.51540000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 626.27624, vol: 33.33584844 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 641.255043, vol: 118.13037544 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)

04:16:59 BingoBoingo: ;;more

04:17:00 gribble: 634.617468764

04:17:05 BingoBoingo: %book

04:17:09 atcbot: 60k@205 40k@205 0k@200 | 40k@141 79k@141 25k@141

04:19:10 BingoBoingo: So... it appears the Erik story is in the /. cue

04:19:41 moiety: this stupid slenderman crap is going to be made into some crap film at some point, wont it

04:20:04 moiety: *grumble*

04:20:12 asciilifeform: slenderman?

04:20:36 asciilifeform: movie hero? fits through cracks, crevices?

04:21:06 moiety: there is 2 x 12 year olds who planned to kill their friend for months, blaming it on slenderman being real

04:21:29 moiety: i'm not actually sure, article just says he can make tendrils with is fingers and back

04:21:43 moiety: i think its a game though

04:22:26 *: asciilifeform is rather behind culturally, never heard of this

04:22:45 Vexual: ask pankakke

04:22:53 BingoBoingo: Slenderman is one of those mythical stories invented on SA/b/reddit not really worth reading.

04:23:18 moiety: asciilifeform: http://www.jsonline.com/news/crime/waukesha-police-2-12-year-old-girls-plotted-for-months-to-kill-friend-b99282655z1-261534171.html

04:23:19 assbot: Charges detail Waukesha pre-teens' attempt to kill classmate

04:23:42 BingoBoingo: Slenderman is basically a novelization of Usagi's nightmares about MP

04:24:06 asciilifeform: '...was stabbed 19 times by either Geyser or Weier or both' << interesting

04:24:14 moiety: oh so it wasn't originally a game.

04:24:18 asciilifeform: how does court decide how many/each.

04:24:21 asciilifeform: what if 0/19

04:24:23 asciilifeform: or 19/0

04:24:46 BingoBoingo: moiety: It was a story

04:25:27 BingoBoingo: Basically whitekid fear experience after first seeing not famous NBA players in person

04:25:29 moiety: lol it was actually all the birthday girl asciilifeform she has told police she thought her friend had already begun [which makes no sense considering the friend had told her she was too squeamish by this point]

04:26:12 moiety: which is how she got back to being the one with the blade

04:27:04 BingoBoingo: What I want to know is why the Biology teacher isn't being charged with neglegence

04:27:25 BingoBoingo: 19 penetrations and a survivor

04:27:42 moiety: hahaha that crossed my mind too BB. after all the prep they didn't think to check where to stab

04:28:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.1999 BTC [-]

04:28:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32600 @ 0.00085755 = 27.9561 BTC [-] {2}

04:28:14 moiety: kinda half assed, aye that'll do + walk away thing too

04:28:33 Vexual: aye

04:28:37 asciilifeform: children of reddit, can't even be arsed to stab properly

04:29:18 moiety: they are too busy being hip

04:29:30 BingoBoingo: Also, stabbing is the problem. Slashing offer a better chance at exsanguination, unless perpetrator is a surgeon.

04:29:41 moiety: these wee chicks have nothing ont he wee girls from last year though, well the one that stabbed her sister

04:29:54 *: asciilifeform wonders if the cops will make the gurlz play 'prisoner's dilemma' if it cannot be proven which one stabbed

04:29:55 moiety: on the*

04:30:14 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I doubt the cops are aware of that game

04:30:22 asciilifeform: perhaps not under that name

04:30:27 BingoBoingo: "Wisconsin can have problems too"

04:31:39 Vexual: www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuGhwabBzcU

04:31:47 asciilifeform: more interesting (linked from above) - http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/hundreds-of-zombie-homes-plague-milwaukee-neighborhoods-b99276701z1-260613161.html

04:31:48 assbot: Hundreds of zombie homes plague Milwaukee neighborhoods

04:32:54 asciilifeform: ^ the feigned puzzlement of the quoted officials is riotously funny

04:33:15 asciilifeform: 'Both Dahlberg and Barrett say they don't understand why banks allow the problem to proliferate. As they see it, it's in the bank's best interests to rid itself of the property.'

04:33:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07999889 = 0.16 BTC [+]

04:33:33 asciilifeform: << mega-lol. the 'zombies' rot so that prices can stay put.

04:33:41 BingoBoingo: Wiscunts have this delusion where they imagine they are to Chicago what the Hamptons are to New York

04:35:04 BingoBoingo: In reality neither Chicago nor Wiconson have hooks in the bezzel to support such delusions

04:35:13 asciilifeform: unwritten u.s. law - no house anywhere near a city, with working plumbing, not in 'live fire zone', etc. will be sold for 'pocket money' to a human (i.e. sans mortgage chumpatron)

04:35:45 asciilifeform: the bezzlers would much rather let the copper thieves pick it clean.

04:36:47 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: In StL brick theives have priority. They make the judgement on the property's fate and in very Missouri way the vacant land gets corn in the name of "urban agriculture"

04:36:51 BingoBoingo: !up Vexual

04:37:45 BingoBoingo: http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/a-farm-in-the-city-of-st-louis-some-neighbors/article_41320fe2-66af-50a0-81da-cd47b9366895.html

04:37:46 assbot: A farm? In the city of St. Louis? Some neighbors aren't happy : Business

04:37:46 asciilifeform: for skeptics: usa is the country where they burned trainloads of grain during 'great depression' - to keep prices high

04:38:10 asciilifeform: at least stalin, in his engineered famines, sold his abroad to buy cannon

04:38:20 asciilifeform: vs. burning

04:38:30 Vexual: that look slike mps old place

04:38:56 kakobrekla: mornin

04:39:09 BingoBoingo: mornin kakobrekla

04:39:09 Vexual: don't get much for your money in the old usa tho

04:39:15 Vexual: hey kako

04:39:41 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: In the interim USA discovered corn can be parted into oil for plastics and sugar for falsifying food

04:40:06 Vexual: sugar is food

04:40:15 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: mp on the subject - http://fraudsters.com/2013/the-corn-thing

04:40:17 assbot: The corn thing pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

04:40:19 moiety: mewning kakobrekla :]

04:40:39 Vexual: you repurposing the word nutrient ?

04:40:50 kakobrekla: i see it was a busy night, me hops the logs.

04:41:11 kakobrekla: dammit. , should be new line.

04:41:12 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That one was resonant, because I live near ground zero

04:41:42 BingoBoingo: Monsanto and Urban Corn share a home for a reason

04:41:57 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: point being, a liveable house, as popularly imagined in usa, will never cost what laptop, or even car, costs - if the authorities have to burn 99% of them to maintain this condition, they will.

04:42:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07999889 = 0.48 BTC [+] {2}

04:42:31 moiety: schools have started suing mosanto all over the place now too

04:43:01 moiety: see this corn woman though, it's like she just woke up to this 8 ft high cornwall around her home. how long does it take to grow even?!

04:43:16 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: In the right locals government need not do burning, merely look the other way. Market does the burning http://preservationresearch.com/news-2/brick-theft-in-north-st-louis-a-preservation-crisis/

04:43:18 assbot: Brick Theft in North St. Louis: A Preservation Crisis | Preservation Research Office

04:43:27 BingoBoingo: moiety: Gorws surprisingly fast.

04:43:42 BingoBoingo: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/20/us/20brick.html

04:43:45 assbot: Thieves Cart Off St. Louis Bricks - NYTimes.com

04:43:57 asciilifeform: if the locals wake up to the idea of squatting peacefully in the houses instead of tearing them apart, the 'owners' will order the burning.

04:44:04 BingoBoingo: http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/a-plan-to-stop-the-brick-by-brick-demolition-of/article_3f3265cf-9df9-5120-a62e-650f49b594e4.html

04:44:06 assbot: A plan to stop the brick-by-brick demolition of the city : News

04:44:39 asciilifeform: the actual 'free market' price of a u.s. suburban house, if none of this were happening, is probably close to $10k (number pulled from my arse)

04:45:12 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Around here there are livable houses near $40k in decent towns

04:45:20 Vexual: ill think youll find the free market price is what it sells for

04:45:51 asciilifeform: Vexual: see the supply cartel discussion above

04:45:56 BingoBoingo: In StL proper you find Sub $5k houses without buyers, because Oh noes, negros!

04:46:52 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: only answer is, nothing within driving distance employs folks who could afford the land tax.

04:47:02 asciilifeform: otherwise someone - negro, martian, whoever - would live there.

04:47:07 *: BingoBoingo has a brother renting a house he could buy with a year's rent. He doesn't buy because of the burden of unloading it later

04:47:44 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That is the flip side of the problem

04:47:58 dub: this is clearly why minimum wage is an evil communist plot

04:47:58 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i pay roughly 2x in rent what the box i'm in would cost, monthly, if 'bought'

04:48:31 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this is thought to be a reasonably good deal, too, around here.

04:48:46 BingoBoingo: dub: People in the "city" don't get "wages" they get SSI

04:51:23 asciilifeform: we will discover the actual market price of american house if and when the artificial system for keeping 100,000s of them permanently vacant and off the market were to fail.

04:51:53 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgJ8l5KJeOI

04:51:53 assbot: Get Money - YouTube

04:52:52 asciilifeform: (unfortunately with it will fail public utilities, police, etc. so we only learn the price of a 'mad max' house, vs. what presently exists.)

04:53:15 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: This is what the "chosen suburbs" are for.

04:53:22 asciilifeform: lol

04:53:31 asciilifeform: fluffypony awake?

04:53:42 asciilifeform: perhaps he can tell what this looks like in person.

04:53:56 asciilifeform: (was it him, in ZA?)

04:54:48 dub: he's outside refueling the side curtain flamethrowers on his BMW

04:56:10 BingoBoingo: www.forbes.com/special-report/2012/1016_zip-codes.html

04:56:32 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: He's in SA

04:56:52 Vexual: .za fool

04:57:16 BingoBoingo: Ah

04:57:41 asciilifeform: the saudis got sa

04:58:33 Vexual: afrikaans love them some z

04:58:48 BingoBoingo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Town_and_Country,_Missouri

04:58:49 assbot: Town and Country, Missouri - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

04:59:58 BingoBoingo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ladue,_Missouri

04:59:58 assbot: Ladue, Missouri - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

05:00:21 Vexual: got your passport back yet?

05:00:29 BingoBoingo: Every major city has a few suburbs like those

05:00:35 BingoBoingo: Vexual: Case still pending

05:00:43 kakobrekla: http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26815298

05:00:43 assbot: BBC News - The Indian miracle-buster stuck in Finland

05:01:09 kakobrekla: the world is insane.

05:01:39 Vexual: youtube.com/watch?v=d8Fmu3RLEOY

05:04:35 BingoBoingo: Oh, only 4-8 hours until I was offered a derechero might wreak havok

05:04:53 dub: india is insane

05:06:29 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: from your ladue link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thumbelina_(horse)

05:06:29 assbot: Thumbelina (horse) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

05:06:42 asciilifeform: ^ most interesting citizen of that city

05:07:05 Vexual: lol

05:07:39 Vexual: get me on a greyhound!

05:08:21 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You have to understand. When Clayton gets hit with the city of StL's disease... the chosen suburbs flee to Utah...

05:08:25 BingoBoingo: !up Vexual

05:08:45 BingoBoingo: Just like The resident

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05:13:04 nubbins`: mad max 2 has a 100% rating on rotten tomatoes, hey?

05:14:27 BingoBoingo: Eh, a complete non-secret is that one or more Air Force One decoys live across the Mississippi from St Louis

05:15:56 Vexual: whats imdb say?

05:16:44 Vexual: thats the one with tina turner?

05:20:30 nubbins`: i think tina was in number 3

05:20:53 Vexual: oh yah, thunderdome

05:22:52 nubbins`: time for sleep

05:23:10 Vexual: ditto

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05:39:47 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/rabite/status/474026361691332609

05:39:48 assbot: If those two 12 year old girls had read some Clive Barker instead of Slender Man Creepypasta, they would have done a way sweeter murder.

05:43:32 BingoBoingo: I guess within the next three years we'll prolly see Brock Pierce molest some kids in the name of PedoBear

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07:17:19 *: fluffypony is awake

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07:19:05 fluffypony: asciilifeform: read the conversation twice but not enough coffee yet, what must I comment on? the chosen suburbs thing?

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08:04:32 Naphex: howdy

08:05:05 fluffypony: morningz

08:13:13 xmj: morning

08:20:04 Naphex: !up davout

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08:21:54 fluffypony: !up davout

08:22:01 fluffypony: Naphex: you have to re-up yourself I think

08:22:25 Naphex: yeah

08:22:50 Naphex: interesting how freenode irc servers don't keep mod states, and just resend the +v message every time you hit another /mode cmd

08:22:54 Naphex: !up Naphex

08:23:24 Naphex: see? how's that working, cmon i already am voiced ;]

08:23:28 fluffypony: lol

08:23:32 xmj: !up Naphex

08:23:52 xmj: such voice, many listen, much wow

08:24:02 xmj: (No, I could not resist that one.)

08:24:18 Naphex: no worries, every time someone does it a shiba inu dies

08:24:20 Naphex: :)

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08:24:31 davout: fluffypony Naphex wai u up?

08:24:43 fluffypony: davout:10:30am

08:24:49 Naphex: yeah man, 11:24

08:24:54 Naphex: looks like i have some offset

08:25:04 davout: haha why did you up! ?

08:25:10 davout: also hello

08:25:24 fluffypony: aaah

08:25:25 fluffypony: I dunno

08:25:27 fluffypony: Naphex did

08:25:29 fluffypony: and I followed suite

08:25:32 Naphex: yeah

08:25:35 Naphex: just starting a trend

08:25:36 Naphex: :)

08:25:40 fluffypony: s/suite/suit

08:25:54 Naphex: anyway davout did you ever implement FAST and is anyone using it?

08:26:12 davout: Naphex: no i didn't, it's on the backburner currently

08:26:21 Naphex: also why would someone just roll another fast interface when they can roll a high performance i/o protobuf one

08:26:30 Naphex: and just sell that mass improved

08:28:19 Naphex: i'm working on a realtime protobuf interface for trading, with incremental streamed updates and realtime orders.

08:29:31 davout: sounds pretty neat!

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08:31:56 fluffypony: davout: how's the rebranding goign?

08:31:59 fluffypony: *going

08:32:18 davout: it's scheduled, the UI designer is going crazy :D

08:37:54 Naphex: what's he going crazy about?

08:38:15 Naphex: just change Bitcoin-Central to Paymium on front page, and you're about done :P

08:38:22 davout: too easy

08:38:58 davout: since we're launching merchant services at about the same time and that we're going to have a single landing page it needs some lifting

08:39:16 Naphex: you're doing merchant services / exchange under the same platform?

08:39:32 Naphex: won't it clutter up with all the merchant features?

08:40:12 davout: you mean on the front page ?

08:40:24 Naphex: no i mean just in general, the code the platform etc

08:41:06 Naphex: i mean we're working on finalizing the payment/merchant gateway as well. but we're building them as separate projects to avoid clutter

08:41:11 Naphex: and unifing the wallets so they can interlink

08:41:31 davout: the interlink code could count as clutter as well

08:41:34 Naphex: then BTCXPay for payments / BTXChange for trading/exchanging

08:41:46 Naphex: well interlink code is needed anyway, for wallet apps and the rest

08:41:47 davout: you don't do the exchanging ?

08:41:52 Naphex: so atleast they share same wallet/account

08:42:05 davout: i mean can't a merchant request to be paid 12.34 EUR and receive exactly that ?

08:42:13 Naphex: he can

08:42:42 Naphex: but the merchant services will be a whole differnt app with merchant in mind, and all the features that come with merchant gateways

08:43:03 davout: i like the idea of having a single app to maintain

08:43:21 Naphex: i think exchange / payment services are too big fields too keep under same app

08:43:22 davout: also, a lot of code to check for incoming payments and track them properly is shared

08:43:42 davout: the money flows are managed in a unified process

08:44:04 Naphex: probably but that opens a whole lot of room, for vulnerabilities, bugs, spaghetti code, maintainance problems

08:44:08 Naphex: and a lot of clutter in a big app

08:44:10 xmj: mm.

08:44:21 xmj: Naphex: what language do you write that one in?

08:44:46 Naphex: since merchant are going too need merchant reports, invoice listings, button generators, cart generators, apis and plugins to intergrate in popular ecommerce platforms

08:45:00 davout: Naphex: i don't think splitting apps would make it less vulnerable, on the contrary, having only one attack surface is easier to manage

08:45:04 Naphex: xmj: nowadays i usually write standalone java for backends

08:45:25 davout: for the

08:45:43 fluffypony: xmj: Naphex has been plugged directly into his server banks for a while now

08:45:47 fluffypony: so he just thinks in code

08:45:57 Naphex: thats correct ;]

08:45:59 fluffypony: I hear he's switching to Swift after watching the Apple demo on Monday

08:45:59 davout: api for example, we leverage a lot of code that already exists, the extra part is a couple of models and their business logic, the e-commerce plugins are separate ofc

08:46:21 xmj: Naphex: Java seems a popular choice for financial transaction backends

08:46:50 xmj: Naphex: we've developed a p2p credit/lending site, our bank's API connectors are in java.

08:47:15 Naphex: xmj: its pretty lean, fast, threading is a dream and NIO is great and fast and easy to implement

08:47:23 xmj: NIO ?

08:47:27 xmj: non-blocking IO ?

08:47:33 Naphex: then you got really good tools, and profilers and debuggers

08:47:36 Naphex: xmj: yes

08:48:17 Naphex: but i don't use servlets or other middleware, so there's that.

08:48:32 xmj: ah

08:48:43 xmj: matter of taste i guess.

08:48:50 Naphex: speed

08:48:59 xmj: I really really like Python, because it's legible and fast to write prototypes in.

08:49:16 xmj: By the time you have serious scaling issues, you can always write things in Cython.

08:49:18 Naphex: python's not bad. twisted python is perty okay

08:49:31 xmj: or C. or C++.

08:49:37 Naphex: yep

08:49:49 xmj: (though, I can't write C. yet.)

08:49:57 Naphex: i do the same in jave, write JNI if there are bottlenecks or too slow performing native functions

08:50:10 Naphex: but rarely i have to do that for backends, as in hardware nowadays is too fast to care

08:50:22 Naphex: but i have done a lot of that for embedded and it worked out very nice

08:51:19 xmj: cool

08:51:29 Naphex: <+davout> Naphex: i don't think splitting apps would make it less vulnerable, on the contrary, having only one attack surface is easier to manage <<

08:51:40 Naphex: I like my stuff modular, i split a big app into scalable services

08:51:42 Naphex: then interlink

08:51:58 xmj: benefit: you can reuse those parts more easily across customers.

08:52:02 Naphex: now i know services are secure and they stay clean and sharp to the point code

08:52:07 xmj: no need to reinvent wheels if you already have a stack of them.

08:52:21 Naphex: yep

08:52:34 Naphex: so i can have wallet nodes, exchange nodes (which can be split into INSTRUMENT servers)

08:53:55 davout: Naphex: you're bound to have quite some coupling

08:54:33 Naphex: there is no problem with coupling, nodes come out with coupling since start

08:54:42 davout: howso ?

08:54:53 Naphex: and they can handle their duty, wallet nodes can be used by clients to connect and manage their wallets

08:55:03 Naphex: exchange nodes can be accessed to convert the currency

08:55:21 Naphex: and payment nodes to process payments and get auto notifications from them

08:55:43 Naphex: they come up with servicing in mind, and the same way a client hooks up to them web platforms hook up as well

08:55:47 davout: but do you have a single unified domain model ?

08:56:05 davout: yeah, we have that too, the web interface is a module that hooks into the API

08:56:13 davout: it's not built in to the app

08:56:29 Naphex: see, now will that api do payments processing as well in the same big app?

08:56:33 Naphex: or be split into modular nodes

08:56:36 Naphex: which will interlink

08:57:14 davout: there is a blockchain watching process that notifies the models when it sees an incoming payment

08:57:21 Naphex: i just think one big app to handle wallet api, exchange api, payments api might just be too big

08:57:41 Naphex: and eventually you will have to split it to scale

08:58:03 davout: well, look at the trading for example

08:58:10 davout: you can not horizontally scale it

08:58:24 davout: it *has* to be a sequential queue that's processed FIFO

08:58:30 Naphex: yep

08:58:55 davout: how does having it as a separate thing help ?

08:59:07 Naphex: well, the exchange api will be that sequential queue.

08:59:23 davout: i mean, in my case it's a separate process, but it does however leverage a unique domain model

08:59:32 Naphex: but why does it have to also manage the wallets, and record user transactions, and process payments

08:59:35 Naphex: right?

08:59:46 davout: it needs to record transactions

08:59:47 Naphex: because it handles exchange data, and orders, and order queues, and execution

09:00:03 davout: executions result in writes into your accounting, right?

09:00:05 Naphex: and maybe order rules

09:00:26 Naphex: davout: brb gotta eat, continue afteward if you're still on

09:00:30 davout: sure

09:00:38 Naphex: davout: but an exchange transaction != a bitcoin transaction

09:00:45 Naphex: or an exchange transaction != payment transaction

09:00:55 davout: sure, but they all need to be accounted for

09:01:16 davout: they need to go in the ledger, also these transactions may share properties

09:01:39 davout: a lot of code is common between a bitcoin deposit and an invoice bitcoin payment

09:02:44 davout: for example, the service call "monitor bitcoin address xyz for x days" is common between a deposit address creation, and an invoice creation

09:18:25 pankkake: lol again http://news.slashdot.org/story/14/06/04/0059245/man-who-issued-securities-for-bitcoins-settles-with-sec

09:18:26 assbot: Man Who Issued Securities For Bitcoins Settles With SEC - Slashdot

09:20:39 davout: the sec will have to go feck itself eventually

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09:22:28 davout: !up adrrr

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09:23:31 adrrr: hey thanks :)

09:25:04 adrrr: http://mashable.com/2014/06/03/apple-os-x-yosemite-top-features/?utm_cid=mash-com-Tw-main-link

09:25:04 assbot: Apple OS X 10.10 Yosemite: The Top 6 New Features

09:26:56 pankkake: so magical and revolutionary

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09:27:28 fluffypony: so SWIFT

09:27:59 fluffypony: how is "prettier icons" a feature?

09:28:04 pankkake: "Yosemite has cleaner and clearer icons along the bottom of a Mac screen, including the apps that usually value function over beauty." wait there are macapps that value function?

09:28:13 pankkake: "That is a gorgeous trash can," Federighi said. "You wouldn't believe how much time we spent crafting a trash can."

09:28:33 kakobrekla: hahaha, they list: 1. Prettier Icons:

09:28:41 kakobrekla: number one is prettier icons.

09:28:47 kakobrekla: this is number one.

09:29:42 kakobrekla: i guess next question is, does it come with lipstick?

09:30:11 adrrr: pankkake: mostly, there is apple haters :D

10:05:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10708 @ 0.00084214 = 9.0176 BTC [-]

10:06:15 jurov: one has to be apple hater to find such "features" ridiculous?

10:06:50 fluffypony: yeah I quite like Apple and I think that's a stupid feature to focus on

10:07:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.19313442 = 0.3863 BTC [+]

10:07:05 fluffypony: but that's just journalism

10:07:32 dub: apple only does stupid features so its unfair to pick on this

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10:11:51 dub: does apple still exist? not even my hipster sister rolls macbook anymore

10:12:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.20313422 = 0.6094 BTC [+]

10:24:51 dub: thats not just idle fanboy hatred either, they have a lot of mobile handsets around but beyond a few music heads (who suffer extreme lock-in) I don't know any actual users

10:26:16 pankkake: http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Facebook_c32430_2573160.jpg

10:26:34 davout: dub: a feature i like it's that their OS is a unix

10:26:59 davout: jurov: the gorgeous trashcan is ridiculous indeed

10:27:14 pankkake: an eunuch unix

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10:27:28 dub: thats not particularly compelling

10:28:22 pankkake: with the worst window management ever

10:28:27 dub: I don't need unix at my end terminal and its only a couple of clicks away

10:28:45 davout: pankkake: what do you mean ?

10:29:09 davout: dub: so you're windows?

10:29:39 dub: for UI shit yeah

10:29:44 pankkake: it's just not ergonomic. makes you work a lot with the mouse for nothing

10:30:25 davout: pankkake: i use it everyday, and imo it's the best window management, it never feels like it gets in the way

10:30:53 davout: i keep raging about it each time i use a windows comp, and i don't use gui when i use linux

10:31:16 davout: mostly because i use linux for servers

10:31:50 davout: dub: well, osx is pretty good for ui imo, so i'm happy this way

10:33:08 davout: also, they're finally sucking the bitcoin cock :D

10:33:17 dub: just making an observation, we tend to run close to the front of tech trends over here and it struck me that apple are pretty much invisible outside of mobile

10:33:52 dub: which is a change from last time I thought about it

10:34:48 pankkake: do they really allow bitcoin applications, or is it yet another redditation?

10:35:28 davout: pankkake: well, i pointed out the fact that their new policy didn't mean shit taken on its own, however it appears there are some wallets that are back in

10:35:32 davout: such as coinjar

10:35:49 davout: so, i thought like you, but the facts seem to tell a different story

10:37:33 davout: https://itunes.apple.com/au/app/coinjar-for-iphone/id725209873?mt=8

10:37:33 assbot: CoinJar for iPhone on the App Store on iTunes

10:39:03 pankkake: * Managed Bitcoin wallet in the cloud

10:40:14 davout: coinjar?

10:40:26 pankkake: yes

10:40:57 davout: that doesn't change the point

10:41:42 davout: their "Fair rate(TM)" is pretty ridiculous too

10:44:14 Naphex: !up HeySteve

10:45:23 cazalla: don't you mean zhoujar

10:45:38 davout: o it's ryan's ?

10:45:42 cazalla: yeah

10:46:15 pankkake: well they might not want to allow application that store the private key

10:46:57 davout: pankkake: sounds doubtful

10:47:16 davout: their issue was "facilitating transmission"

10:47:32 davout: we'll see if blockchain gets back

10:47:35 Naphex: they will prolly ban p2p aps

10:47:41 Naphex: as they ban torrent apps a well

10:47:51 Naphex: so no Mycelium or thin clients

10:47:53 davout: p2p what? trading?

10:48:11 Naphex: Peer2Peer wallets, that connect to bitcoin network and do SPV

10:48:44 Naphex: so only centralized single source wallets

10:52:02 davout: the idea that they'll make a difference isn't supported by any facts so far

10:52:19 Naphex: well.. blockchain is down yet mycelium works

10:52:34 Naphex: so anyone who tried to use blockchain.info in the last i dunno 5-6 hours

10:52:37 Naphex: got erros

10:52:52 Naphex: while mycelium worked fine. that will make a difference every time there is a service failure

10:54:16 davout: no, the idea that they will categorize applications based on whether or not they store the keys, or rely on a central service

10:55:15 davout: is supported neither by their policy, nor by factual experience

10:56:33 davout: "My Father's house has many rooms"

11:02:31 davout: for more philosophical quotes -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3hkqBfvDBU

11:02:31 assbot: OSS 117 Le Caire : Discussion philosophique avec Franois Damiens - YouTube

11:14:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15600 @ 0.00084426 = 13.1705 BTC [-]

11:26:39 Naphex: "Datorita atitudinii unor persoane dorim sa va comunicam oficial ca raspunsurile noastre nu vor mai fi oferite pe acest forum. Dorim sa pastram o relatie profesionala si sa evitam raspunsul amenintarilor primite."

11:26:43 Naphex: seriously

11:26:56 Naphex: customers will definetly be less threating if they received their shit on time

11:27:11 Naphex: my blood just boils if i order something/pre-order something and it never gets delivered

11:27:48 Naphex: every mining company should just stop selling preorders period.

11:27:53 Naphex: and build their equipment or sell stock

11:28:04 Apocalyptic: but then they couldn't scam Naphex

11:28:58 Naphex: probably but then they shouldn't wonder when customers get all angry and threatening and then resort to police action

11:30:29 Naphex: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=446503.0 mining drama in Romanian community, undelivered orders the usual. Google translate might help / http://blackminer.com/ the mining equipment builders from .ro

11:30:29 assbot: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware

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11:34:13 Naphex: Posts about people paying 28,000$ for mining equipment and still not delivering weeks after deadline. is it just me or thats a hell of a lot money to be pissing people off for

11:35:11 pankkake: there's this guy who bet 99% of his coins on a scam and now says he doesn't have enough for a lawyer

11:35:16 pankkake: maybe they're the same type

11:47:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44468 @ 0.00084424 = 37.5417 BTC [-] {2}

12:03:10 fluffypony: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/279sex/ghashio_double_spending/

12:03:11 assbot: GHash.IO & double spending : Bitcoin

12:03:26 Naphex: hey don't take 0 conf

12:03:33 Naphex: you gambling? take 1

12:04:31 davout: people who accept 0 conf will get repeatedly raped until one of the following happens

12:04:37 davout: - there's nothing left to rape

12:04:41 davout: - they wisen up

12:05:53 Naphex: so ghash.io is teaching a valuable lesson then

12:07:55 Naphex: http://www.wired.com/2014/06/silk-road-study/ - the more interesting news today

12:07:55 assbot: Silk Road Reduced Violence in the Drug Trade, Study Argues | Threat Level | WIRED

12:08:10 davout: what exactly is it doing? (haven't read the reddit post)

12:08:28 Naphex: davout: ghash.io double spending against some bitcoin casino

12:08:42 Naphex: roll dig win -> let transaction confirm / lose -> double spend

12:08:48 Naphex: roll dice*

12:09:10 davout: is it proved? because it sounds like they'd have more to lose by passing on the block reward

12:09:47 Naphex: "proved"

12:10:07 Naphex: but still basic attack, they can just drop the tx and double spend. some luck required

12:10:54 davout: oic

12:11:33 davout: kinda scammy to do that, but otoh the casino being retarded doesn't help

12:12:11 Naphex: well they might not be doing it and someone else just messing with their system

12:12:23 artifexd: Why isn't http://bitbet.us/bet/858/ already resolved?

12:12:23 assbot: BitBet - Perpetual Obsolescence: iOS 8 Announced in 2014 :: 0.22 B (96%) on Yes, 0.01 B (4%) on No | closing in 6 months 3 weeks | weight: 93`379 (100`000 to 1)

12:12:24 Naphex: who knows what they use to detect transactions and how their system executes

12:12:50 pankkake: artifexd: to get 1% from asshole after-the-fact bettors? :p

12:13:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1706 @ 0.00083906 = 1.4314 BTC [-]

12:13:23 mircea_popescu: hola!

12:13:33 artifexd: You would certainly have to be an idjot to bet on it. I was just curious.

12:13:41 davout: mircea_popescu: hi!

12:13:56 mircea_popescu: how goes it :)

12:14:00 mircea_popescu: artifexd, was it announced ?

12:14:17 artifexd: At WWDC a couple days ago

12:14:28 artifexd: https://www.apple.com/ios/ios8/

12:14:28 assbot: Apple - iOS 8 - Overview

12:14:36 mircea_popescu: a ok. best leave a link in comments there would you.

12:15:05 artifexd: Sure

12:15:05 Naphex: how is ios8 huge for developers? did they finally open up?

12:15:29 mircea_popescu: now that i doub

12:15:30 mircea_popescu: t

12:15:39 davout: Naphex: they announced some naw language, looks just as ugly as objective c

12:15:43 Naphex: Each enhancement has a purpose. Every new feature deserves to be a new feature.

12:15:46 Naphex: such marketspeech

12:16:38 Naphex: god forbid you enhance without any purpose or add old new features

12:17:24 mircea_popescu: by this rationale every competitor to apple deserves to be successful.

12:17:31 Naphex: haha

12:18:12 mircea_popescu: someone sent me a fraudsters credits thing out of some pos wallet that truncates the last 2 digits of a tx

12:18:16 mircea_popescu: aren't they gonna be happy.

12:19:49 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

12:19:51 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 637.16, Best ask: 638.21, Bid-ask spread: 1.05000, Last trade: 638.21, 24 hour volume: 19456.21434130, 24 hour low: 621.86, 24 hour high: 680.99, 24 hour vwap: 649.593962515

12:20:03 Naphex: mircea_popescu: so mircea why no ssl on fraudsters? what if NSA steals my cookie?:(

12:20:06 Naphex: :))

12:20:17 mircea_popescu: they can't use it.

12:20:27 mircea_popescu: try it yourself :D

12:21:09 mircea_popescu: the long version being that there's no ssl on fraudsters because ssl is so fucking broken, the problem it purports to solve but fails to solve can in fact be actually solved by five lines OF PHP.

12:23:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2433 @ 0.0008529 = 2.0751 BTC [+] {2}

12:26:58 mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/YtJ0agD8

12:26:58 assbot: Hi, I wanted to follow up regarding the conference. Have you considered ou - Pastebin.com

12:27:11 mircea_popescu: buzzpro.co.il my foot. moar like spampro.

12:27:44 mircea_popescu: im gonna consider sponsoring some people i don't know, because i have no friends and don't know anybody.

12:28:14 mircea_popescu: and ima do it because "some of the seats are already taken", as if random rottinculo has the upper hand in this fucking relationship where i got the dough and he's doing the begging.

12:28:51 mircea_popescu: fucking hell what sort of wet straw do they use to make brains these days i wish to know. denial all the way never fucking workls in practice, yet it seems the only strategy kids deploy anymore.

12:30:14 Naphex: well thats not true

12:30:17 Naphex: you gotta lean

12:30:19 Naphex: and spin

12:30:44 mircea_popescu: yes, if you wanna die poor you gotta.

12:31:06 Naphex: aren't all bussiness nowadays made from nothing?

12:31:12 Naphex: and require 0 money just a good idea?

12:31:17 Naphex: and some poor sob to code it

12:31:19 mircea_popescu: depends what you mean by business

12:31:42 mircea_popescu: if oyu mean the sort of crud that xml dude and his friends spit out, then yes, except it's not business, it's buzznix.

12:32:06 Naphex: hehe thats what i meant

12:33:28 mircea_popescu: but incidentally, this is a good fucking point, re php. hear all ye haters and knowppls : steal a fraudsters cookie, get a bitcoin.

12:33:37 mircea_popescu: since php is so insecure and everything, it should be trivial to do.

12:36:44 Naphex: well it works in the office cause i'm behind the same IP

12:36:46 Naphex: natted :)

12:37:02 mircea_popescu: lmao

12:37:09 mircea_popescu: that's how it's supposed to work

12:37:21 Naphex: yep i'm guessing its hooked to remote_addr

12:37:48 mircea_popescu: remote_addr+salt+pw or somesuch

12:37:58 mircea_popescu: i forget exactly but in principle that's the scheme

12:38:50 Naphex: is it just hashed and you check hash or you keep serverside session?

12:38:56 mircea_popescu: no sessions.

12:39:10 Naphex: so just hash(remote_addr+salt+pw) in /set-cookie.php

12:39:11 Naphex: and then check

12:39:22 Mats_cd03: BingoBoingo: air force one decoy?

12:39:29 mircea_popescu: pretty much

12:39:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07645606 = 0.1529 BTC [+]

12:39:45 Naphex: but set-cookie doesn't encrypt "cod" :)

12:39:49 Naphex: so i can just snag it from there

12:39:54 Naphex: and have lots of fraudsters credits

12:39:54 Naphex: :P

12:40:13 mircea_popescu: Naphex, so try ?

12:40:42 Naphex: sadly i am not the nsa:(

12:40:48 mircea_popescu: what "cod" anyway ?

12:40:56 Naphex: Parola: <input type="text" name="cod" />

12:41:19 mircea_popescu: ok so you snag it from there, and what ? crack the hash ?

12:41:38 Mats_cd03: I was under the impression _any_ mil aircraft with potus in it was Air Force One, or Marine One, etc

12:43:41 Naphex: mircea_popescu: what is that hash anyway seems variable output

12:44:06 mircea_popescu: who's the haxxor here.

12:44:07 pankkake: Mats_cd03: Monica One

12:44:12 mircea_popescu: lmao

12:45:32 Naphex: mircea_popescu: yeah but the password is cleartext in cookie no?

12:45:47 *: mircea_popescu doesn't even recall.

12:45:49 mircea_popescu: lets see here

12:45:59 Naphex: e163Gpassword_test_inputl68a9

12:47:18 Naphex: so its just the math for the ip/checksum

12:49:36 mircea_popescu: pretty much

12:49:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19841 @ 0.00085342 = 16.9327 BTC [+]

12:50:03 mircea_popescu: actually i suppose an extra layer couldn't possibly hurt.

12:50:07 mircea_popescu: !up manamex_

12:50:38 mircea_popescu: attention all people logged into fraudsters : im putting in a change ticket, which will be implemented whenever today and as a result will prolly log you out. just log back in will be fine.

12:51:03 Naphex: so do i get a bitcoin?:) %%

12:51:07 Naphex: ^^

12:51:39 mircea_popescu: lol

12:51:46 mircea_popescu: no, because you didn't steal a cookie :D

12:51:54 mircea_popescu: you do get a pat on the head tho, for being halpful.

12:52:06 Naphex: hehe

12:52:17 Naphex: wait i was just about to break the hash

12:52:28 mircea_popescu: a ok

12:52:49 mircea_popescu: i'll put the ticket in tomorrow then, that enough for you ?

12:53:08 Naphex: nah i was just kidding, do the ticket

12:53:26 Naphex: atleast tell me what does the extra byte before password do?:)

12:53:35 Naphex: i'm guessing e163 / 68a9 encodes the ip

12:53:43 Naphex: doesn't look ip2long/long to ip

12:53:43 mircea_popescu: i have no fucking idea

12:54:04 Naphex: e163(G) <- this one :)password_test_inputl68a9

12:54:08 mircea_popescu: it's been years and this was never a central matter

13:01:37 Mats_cd03: http://www.worldbank.org/content/dam/Worldbank/document/Poverty%20documents/FPW_May%202014_final.pdf

13:02:21 Mats_cd03: food price watch tracking trends in various places

13:03:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 376 @ 0.00085342 = 0.3209 BTC [+]

13:05:46 Mats_cd03: food riots remaining a perennial phenomenon worldwide

13:06:35 pankkake: at least americans will be able to eat their fat

13:06:43 fluffypony: lulz

13:07:23 mircea_popescu: pankkake, so would kenyans

13:11:00 dub: kenyans can eat american fat

13:12:18 mircea_popescu: exactly.

13:15:27 dub: obama was sent to initiate the harvest

13:16:14 mircea_popescu: omg obama is eating baby fat ?

13:17:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.02052 = 0.1026 BTC [-]

13:17:19 dub: all muslims eat babies, remember?

13:17:54 mircea_popescu: gotta love people that send you gpg mail and dutifully include a complete summary in the subject line

13:18:13 Mats_cd03: lol

13:19:06 mircea_popescu: dub, a muslim ate yo baby ?

13:20:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33900 @ 0.00084608 = 28.6821 BTC [-]

13:20:48 *: mircea_popescu sings ♫♩ it's a muslim eat baby would out there baby ♬ make a lotta nice friends ♪♪ if you don't make a lotta nice friends come back, babe...

13:35:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29800 @ 0.00084781 = 25.2647 BTC [+]

13:38:24 Naphex: i'm off

13:38:26 Naphex: laters o/

13:40:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17185 @ 0.00084944 = 14.5976 BTC [+]

13:47:37 mircea_popescu: so now, should i go through the logs ? or should i make further travel posts on fraudsters ?

13:48:09 mircea_popescu: i shall ponder this matter while my salmon omlet cooks

14:01:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36464 @ 0.00084981 = 30.9875 BTC [+] {2}

14:03:23 moiety: hello :]

14:03:36 fluffypony: BingoBoingo:That's actually fluffypony's photoshopped wife <- I knew I should've made her nails the same colour!

14:07:09 mircea_popescu: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/26ymdr/ive_come_to_my_sensesi_sold_all_my_dogecoins_and/

14:07:10 assbot: I've come to my senses...I sold all my dogecoins and am full into bitcoin again. Not gonna f*** with those alt coins again. : Bitcoin

14:09:42 pankkake: "You should not keep all your eggs in 1 basket, get some Litecoin as well, have you seen the volume and market cap? I am 70% Bitcoin, 30% Litecoin - Litecoin is seriously undervalued right now.

14:09:55 pankkake: "The only alt worth having any serious money in is Litecoin. I have no faith in any others.

14:10:08 pankkake: god, how I hate those scam pumpers

14:11:45 mircea_popescu: it really should be atc.

14:11:55 TomServo: I mined a few litecoin blocks via CPU way back when. Just recently found that wallet and sold them, twas nice to grab a few BTC out of that.

14:11:56 fluffypony: plx

14:11:59 fluffypony: FluffyCoin is coming

14:12:05 dub: %book

14:12:06 atcbot: 3k@180 5k@175 2k@170 | 65k@141 25k@141 100k@140

14:12:12 TomServo: LTC/BTC exchange rate has been in a pretty steady decline for a while now

14:12:12 fluffypony: you can mergemine it with ManulCoin and Altcoin

14:12:18 fluffypony: and it will have a fluffy logo

14:12:23 fluffypony: which will be a feature

14:12:32 fluffypony: also it'll be written in Swift because that's a modern language

14:12:38 moiety: omg you have to make physical coins fluffy too

14:12:48 fluffypony: heh heh

14:13:23 moiety: i wonder how things would be with bitcoin today if all this time and energy thats been spent on alts had been focussed on btc

14:15:07 fluffypony: the problem is that much of the time and energy has been spent by people that aren't really on "that level", so if they focused on BTC instead we'd just see more shitty copies of exchanges / gambling sites etc.

14:15:23 fluffypony: and about a billion dumb features submitted as pull requests

14:15:43 mircea_popescu: fluffypony, you can't merge ltc with atc, one's scrypt

14:16:04 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: no no, FluffyCoin and ManulCoin will merge-mine with ATC

14:16:08 mircea_popescu: <moiety> omg you have to make physical coins fluffy too << coins made out of shag.

14:16:09 mircea_popescu: swag!

14:16:35 mircea_popescu: <moiety> i wonder how things would be with bitcoin today if all this time and energy thats been spent on alts had been focussed on btc << not noticeably different.

14:17:21 mircea_popescu: you know, just like where opera would be if all the time spent derping around counterstrike were spent "singing"

14:17:40 mircea_popescu: exactly what fluffy says.

14:18:40 TomServo: "You buy Doge for the community not as an investment."

14:18:43 pankkake: merge mining is one of the few things that would make me take an altcoin seriously

14:18:46 TomServo: ha.

14:19:12 pankkake: still a better reason than silver to bitcoin's gold

14:20:07 mircea_popescu: !up princessnell

14:20:12 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot princessnell

14:20:13 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user princessnell: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=princessnell | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=princessnell | Rated since: Thu May 8 16:20:29 2014

14:20:35 mircea_popescu: <TomServo> "You buy Doge for the community not as an investment." << thus spoke socialisthustra.

14:21:19 mircea_popescu: pankkake, you can actually merge mine atc with btc neh ?

14:21:44 pankkake: no, you'd have to patch atc for that

14:21:48 pankkake: and I don't know how

14:23:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5153 @ 0.00085231 = 4.392 BTC [+]

14:23:36 mircea_popescu: mike_c, i seriously see why it'd make sense for your site.

14:23:42 mircea_popescu: and then perhaps we can merge-credits.

14:24:00 fluffypony: fraudstersCoin ?

14:24:29 mircea_popescu: lol

14:25:35 mircea_popescu: mike_c:

14:25:35 mircea_popescu: hm.. all the #b-a blogs should charge the same credits, spend them to read the other blogs, get them when people read your blog. talk about a circle jerk. << zipf would put a rapid end to that methinks.

14:27:17 mircea_popescu: anyway, there's definitely some future in the blog credits thing.

14:27:23 mircea_popescu: prolly too soon to know how it looks.

14:28:10 mircea_popescu: well since i'm reading the logs, i'd like to take a minute and dissect the stupidity of "xmj: mike_c: not if he dislikes my stating how it is."

14:28:30 moiety: i think i would have to give out credits to get people to read a blog

14:28:33 xmj: mircea_popescu: so you don't ignore me?

14:28:35 mircea_popescu: first off and most importantly, the unexamined prior that there "is" this one thing called "start-ups"

14:29:10 xmj: it's not an unexamined prior. it's a fact. read news.ycombinator.com.

14:29:18 artifexd: http://googleonlinesecurity.blogspot.com/2014/06/making-end-to-end-encryption-easier-to.html

14:29:18 assbot: Google Online Security Blog: Making end-to-end encryption easier to use

14:29:27 xmj: get your inflated head down to the reality of 2014.

14:30:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.20184919 = 2.2203 BTC [-] {5}

14:30:51 fluffypony: artifexd: I was reading their stuff earlier, it's quite interesting

14:31:44 artifexd: It is hard to find (as in I couldn't) an easy way to do gpg email in gmail. There used to be plugins but they just don't last/work.

14:33:02 fluffypony: artifexd: mailvelope

14:34:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5463 @ 0.00085231 = 4.6562 BTC [+]

14:34:29 artifexd: I looked at that and I dismissed it for some reason that I don't recall. That was prior to the current release though so I shall look again.

14:34:31 danielpbarron: when i first started sending ascii armored blocks in gmail, they would alter some of it so it wasn't valid on the other end; sometimes because it would try to translate it, and sometimes it would just randomly remove a space or line return

14:35:04 danielpbarron: after i set the option "never try to translate this" it seems to work every time

14:36:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16943 @ 0.00085231 = 14.4407 BTC [+]

14:37:05 artifexd: I think it comes down to the fact that I get a bad feeling at the idea of putting my private key somewhere that could be accessed via javascript that was downloaded from some external location.

14:37:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 95 @ 0.00196696 = 0.1869 BTC [-]

14:39:01 mircea_popescu: motherfucker wireless omg.

14:39:43 mircea_popescu: anywyay, i was interrupted in the middle of spamming. let's continue.

14:39:53 mircea_popescu: this is usually the result of mediocre brains strained through the us college system. they end up with the expectation that any conceptual category has a practical counterpart.

14:40:05 mircea_popescu: and so there IS such a thing as "start-ups" in the same sense there actually is a thing called new york.

14:40:11 mircea_popescu: second off, and much more worrisome, the bizarre notion that there's safety in banality, to wit, that one can't fuck up by doing what "everyone" is doing.

14:40:23 mircea_popescu: this is exactly counter to what a startup is even for. this is ibm think.

14:40:31 mircea_popescu: there's simply no way he ends up any other way than bleeding in a ditch somewhere, with a pilum in his penis.

14:40:48 mircea_popescu: oviously in real reality start-ups are not the derps that go to "start-up dinners", but exactly the guys that don't

14:41:28 mircea_popescu: and similarly, start-ups aren't the guys that do what everyone else does, but exactly the guys that don't.

14:41:58 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bitcoinpete: http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2014-06/03/silk-road-study << this is precisely why they wanted that "murder solicitation" thing in there so bad. and... they got it. because, bitcoin jesuses.

14:41:59 assbot: Study claims Silk Road reduced drug-related violence (Wired UK)

14:41:59 gribble: The operation succeeded.

14:42:10 mike_c: i would post that on my wall, but then everyone would just ask me "who is mircea"

14:42:26 mircea_popescu: that's ok.

14:42:31 mike_c: drives me crazy when someone says "well the other startups are doing it"

14:42:35 mircea_popescu: it;s not really intended for the comsumption of the etsy crowd.

14:42:43 Apocalyptic: <mike_c> drives me crazy when someone says "well the other startups are doing it" << this

14:43:00 mircea_popescu: no but you see, that's who they are and what they do. what do you want ?

14:43:12 mircea_popescu: most people are supposed to be most people.

14:43:20 pankkake: i've also got the "it's written by a googletwitterfacebook employee"

14:43:29 mircea_popescu: yeah, like btc 7.0

14:46:16 moiety: have tweeter been in touch with you mircea_popescu?

14:46:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.21115623 = 1.0558 BTC [+] {3}

14:46:52 pankkake: I believe it works the other way

14:46:57 Mats_cd03: im glad theres an extension

14:47:08 mircea_popescu: i don't even know moiety. still working at having everything up and running, moving an entire cc across the continents is an involved task

14:47:17 moiety: i just realised smuxi has tweeter support and i have no idea how to use it

14:47:17 Mats_cd03: now i can use gpg on my chromebook

14:47:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 8 @ 0.02999988 = 0.24 BTC [+]

14:47:40 mircea_popescu: smucksy ? :D

14:47:52 mircea_popescu: i mean schmucksy

14:47:54 pankkake: https://support.twitter.com/entries/15790

14:47:54 assbot: Twitter Help Center | My account is suspended

14:48:32 dub: http://www.denvergov.org/Portals/720/documents/statistics/2014/UCR_Citywide_Reported%20_Offenses_2014.pdf

14:48:44 moiety: i don't even know how you are still sane mircea_popescu, moving one person and two cats with very little stuff is.. well, I've had enough by this point lol

14:48:47 dub: crime stats in denver since they legalised weed

14:48:54 mircea_popescu: !up n6506

14:48:59 davout: mircea_popescu: "moving an entire cc across the continents is an involved task" <<< if you care to share i'm curious about the criteria for choosing argentina

14:49:28 mircea_popescu: davout, basically, it's romania of the 90s/ny of the 70s.

14:49:31 mircea_popescu: i love that place.

14:49:41 fluffypony: The wife and I went to exactly 1 start-up dinner. Not only were the people a bunch of pretentious cocks that have never done anything successful in their lives (except circlejerk around all the cool synergies they can have with other start-ups), but the "speakers" (while eloquent and with beautiful Jobs-like presentations) espoused utterly inane notions that have no basis in reality and mostly have to do with spending stupid amounts of money

14:49:41 fluffypony: on "original" ideas that should cost a lot less than they do (see: guerrilla marketing).

14:49:53 davout: yeah, what was so cool about it?

14:49:56 mircea_popescu: fluffypony, remind me to tell you about the ONE bdsm meet i ever attended

14:49:58 n6506: mircea_popescu: behold phinnaeus gage in chan: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-06-2014#701260

14:49:58 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

14:50:03 fluffypony: davout: dancing in the streets but for free!

14:50:03 mircea_popescu: o wow.

14:50:08 mircea_popescu: how did i miss that!

14:50:36 mircea_popescu: coolness.

14:50:52 moiety: he wasn't here long, he said he would be back though.

14:50:55 davout: the first rule of the tautology club...

14:51:00 xmj: mircea_popescu: am I unignored now?

14:51:04 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell Phinnaeus it doesn't cunt if i wasn't there!!!

14:51:04 gribble: The operation succeeded.

14:51:17 xmj: ;;later tell mircea_popescu am I unignored now?

14:51:17 gribble: The operation succeeded.

14:51:20 xmj: wonderful.

14:51:25 mircea_popescu: davout, i dunno, i like it!

14:51:42 n6506: also mircea_popescu, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-06-2014#702046

14:51:43 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

14:51:59 pankkake: I hope that one line was trolling

14:51:59 mircea_popescu: it matches my proclivities or something.

14:52:03 mircea_popescu: n6506, o god have mercy.

14:52:23 n6506: :D

14:52:41 mircea_popescu: pankkake, were you the one with the "with cia agents" zinger, you multiminded psychopath you ?

14:52:58 mircea_popescu: just because they're after you doesn't mean everything's a meta.

14:53:09 pankkake: no it was nubbins http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=149

14:53:09 assbot: #bitcoin-assets bash

14:53:13 mircea_popescu: aok

14:53:22 mircea_popescu: but you're the same one guy rite ?

14:53:30 pankkake: depends on the days

14:57:03 mircea_popescu: ;;tslb

14:57:12 gribble: Time since last block: 2 minutes and 36 seconds

14:58:05 mircea_popescu: moiety, well, i have women to drive nuts, so it keeps me sane. it's like a gift.

14:59:04 mircea_popescu: fluffypony:

14:59:04 mircea_popescu: code has failed in production we'll shut the startup down, start a new one, buy the old one out, and then repeat. We call this Multi Startup Synergistic Prefailure, and it's inspired by the work of Tsukino Usagi. << you know it's pretty much how this crap works irl.

14:59:37 mircea_popescu: princessnell: bitcoinpete i almost did the same and went into law. dodged a bullet there! << what's so bad about law ?

14:59:40 mircea_popescu: princessnell,

14:59:41 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: that's the beauty of it...now if we add an IPO stage in the middle, we can make several HUNDREDS of Dollars!

14:59:43 fluffypony: worth it.

15:00:04 princessnell: mircea_popescu well there's a huge legal bubble in the us rite now

15:00:05 mircea_popescu: fluffypony, you may underestimate the bezzle. what's whatsapp sell for i forget ? 50 trillion ?

15:00:10 fluffypony: true

15:00:27 fluffypony: despite what u-sage usagi thinks, I'm clearly a shitty scammer

15:00:32 fluffypony: I need to up my scamgame

15:00:40 mircea_popescu: princessnell, as in too many duke grads unemployed to the point you get idjits a la tucker max writing "novels" and then moving on to "financial advicering" ?

15:01:39 princessnell: that's the spectacle. then there's the masses of subprime borrowers who went to shit tier law schools and now work as glorified file clerks at an hourly wage.

15:01:59 mircea_popescu: but my point was not about the direct practical application

15:02:14 mircea_popescu: my point is more that if you aspire to not be fucking stupid, pretty much the best avenue in the us colleges today is law.

15:02:55 mircea_popescu: granted this doesn't justify the tuition. but then again i've yet to meet the person that studied law and was worse for the wear for it.

15:02:59 princessnell: why do you think that?

15:03:04 mircea_popescu: which one

15:03:04 princessnell: ah

15:04:06 princessnell: "the best avenue" idk i'm biased but i'd have to go with economics or math or even logic/philosophy

15:04:25 mircea_popescu: there's nobody aliv ein the us qualified to teach philosophy to any degree.

15:04:35 princessnell: "studying the law" here = "memorizing administrative case law"

15:04:44 mircea_popescu: math is a prime tool of making one stupid, even in sane places (such as the soviet union)

15:04:51 mircea_popescu: ya well not that.

15:05:39 princessnell: point is i think on the whole the fields i mentioned equip you with better mental models than most law programs

15:05:44 mircea_popescu: i suppose the start-up approach to studying law in the us is getting a small apt close to the campus of a good law school and fucking all the older profs for free.

15:06:00 mircea_popescu: rent way cheaper than tuition, results way better than degree,

15:06:04 mircea_popescu: more fun all through.

15:06:25 mircea_popescu: well, we may be talking at cross purposes, let me try and model the difference.

15:06:30 princessnell: ha. but then you don't get a sheepskin.

15:07:09 mircea_popescu: suppose there's a land, and under this land water table, and above names of places.

15:07:39 mircea_popescu: how deep to the water table is perhaps what you're discussing, whereas how much water in that spot at all is maybe what i',m saying.

15:07:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36550 @ 0.00085571 = 31.2762 BTC [+] {2}

15:08:09 mircea_popescu: math models are a lot easier to access, yes. not nearly as useful tho, not generally.

15:10:31 mircea_popescu: fluffypony: you guys have seen this, right - http://coingen.io << depends. you ever heard of atc, the altcoin ?

15:10:32 assbot: Coingen

15:10:39 mircea_popescu: ;;seen thickasthieves

15:10:39 gribble: thickasthieves was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 days, 1 hour, 15 minutes, and 18 seconds ago: <ThickAsThieves> lol

15:10:45 princessnell: what is it about law itself that you think leads people to not fucking stupidity

15:10:45 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: was a prefix to a thought ;)

15:11:11 Mats_cd03: imo physics is the most valuable

15:11:19 mircea_popescu: princessnell, it can;t ever be right.

15:11:34 mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03, has a good point, physics i agree is very very close. for exactly the same reason

15:11:39 mircea_popescu: physics can also never be right.

15:11:50 Mats_cd03: reasoning from first principles and so forth

15:13:36 mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete: mike_c: didn't know that about altcoin? i don't know why i thought it was a costlier project << nah, thickasthieves was running lean at the time :D

15:14:00 princessnell: i think that's right but i unfortunately don't think that's the approach that us law schools take. anyways i deal a lot with law through economics so i can have it all.

15:14:36 mircea_popescu: yeah that's the thing, it never goes away anyway, so...

15:16:22 mircea_popescu: "BitFury Group Ltd. last week secured one of the largest rounds of funding in the bitcoin sector, bringing in $20 million."

15:16:29 mircea_popescu: say what you will, the press doth learn.

15:18:09 mircea_popescu: "and expects $210 million in revenue for this year, on $120 million in EBITDA, Mr. Kikvadze said"

15:18:14 mircea_popescu: !up jm123

15:18:30 mircea_popescu: check out that magic! 210 mn revenue 120mn ebitda!

15:20:34 pankkake: !up n6506

15:21:52 mike_c: because you can just ignore depreciation, especially in a mining operation.

15:21:58 mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03: how long does it take for BB to deposit winnings following resolution << a maximum of two days

15:22:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2773 @ 0.00085585 = 2.3733 BTC [+]

15:22:24 mircea_popescu: mike_c, what i want to know is, if you ignore tax, interest, depreciaiton and everything else

15:22:36 mircea_popescu: where are you bleeding half your bottom line ?

15:22:56 mike_c: company parties are expensive.

15:23:05 mircea_popescu: no but srsly, what the fuck else is there

15:23:15 mike_c: salaries!

15:23:28 mircea_popescu: 90mn in salaries ?

15:23:58 mircea_popescu: its a fucking start-up, they didn't hear of stock options in georgia ?

15:24:01 fluffypony: mike_c: Mining Equipment Present Value: $120mn. Mining Equipment Future Value: $120mn.

15:24:11 fluffypony: Mining Equipment Accounting Method

15:24:14 fluffypony: MEAM

15:24:17 mircea_popescu: lol

15:24:19 mike_c: well, they are talking about cash flow not balance sheet, so capex i guess

15:24:40 mircea_popescu: uh.

15:24:44 mircea_popescu: wait.

15:24:59 mike_c: capex counts against income, no?

15:25:02 mircea_popescu: dude that article could have been worse written

15:25:13 mircea_popescu: but it's not directly obvious how. who the fuck does wsj serve these days anyway ?

15:25:25 mircea_popescu: obviously not people with even 1 year's worth of cc business.

15:25:34 mike_c: you missed the one from financial times that said SD raised *10 million* btc in their ipo

15:26:03 mircea_popescu: i ddin't miss the part where th sec dutifully cribbed the mpex numbers from fraudsters.

15:26:07 mike_c: reporters are awesome (present company not included in sarcasm of course)

15:26:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3777 @ 0.00085594 = 3.2329 BTC [+]

15:26:48 fluffypony: mike_c: yeah that was my favourite

15:27:01 fluffypony: "IPO: want to raise half of bitcoins to ever exist. plz apply here."

15:27:20 mike_c: not to mention more than existed at the time.

15:27:25 mircea_popescu: fluffypony, at the time there were about 9.5mn in total in existence, of which ~1mn still locked as today

15:27:27 mircea_popescu: so... yeah.

15:27:39 fluffypony: heh

15:28:39 mircea_popescu: it would help if the people covering the most important thing happening in the world these years would be at leas tconversant in its basicsa

15:29:27 mircea_popescu: mike_c, i guess the sane construction here is they're paying about 100mn to the various manuf etc to make their chips, and they expect to mine 200mn worth of btc

15:29:42 mircea_popescu: seems a scary tight margin put in those terms, but who knows.

15:31:02 mircea_popescu: also seems they have no intention to even try doing amortisation accounting on the mining rigs

15:32:00 mike_c: well, depreciation. amortization is for non-real things.

15:33:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3350 @ 0.00085411 = 2.8613 BTC [-]

15:34:22 mircea_popescu: i can imagine why.

15:34:32 mircea_popescu: hm

15:34:50 mircea_popescu: mike_c, so how are miners real things

15:35:16 mike_c: physical machines seem like a tangible asset

15:35:34 mircea_popescu: they indeed seem that way.

15:35:38 mircea_popescu: but why would they be ?

15:35:42 benkay: remember the conversation about the s.mg server?

15:35:51 mircea_popescu: a dream machine made out of a block of obsidian is tangible too ?

15:35:57 mircea_popescu: benkay, no ?

15:36:19 benkay: there was a minor dust-up over the semantics of renting v owning.

15:36:26 mircea_popescu: aa that yes.

15:36:39 mircea_popescu: mike_c, consider one of the safeguards is used and bricks a generation of asics.

15:36:46 mircea_popescu: they're just as tangible now than before, what are they worth ?

15:36:50 mike_c: nothing.

15:36:57 mircea_popescu: this seems to me to fly in the face of the ~fundamental~ point of tangibility

15:37:10 mircea_popescu: granted that the form of it favours your interpretation

15:37:24 mike_c: tangible assets are always overstated in value though

15:37:29 mircea_popescu: but all in all this is a fine example of why i said in the past that bitcoin fucks everything up. it ruined the notion of bonds similarly.

15:37:37 benkay: i had a hilarious experience last night

15:37:49 benkay: some noob was all fired to undercut a regular on the local btc circuit

15:37:56 benkay: make some dollars

15:38:14 benkay: opened his PHONE WALLET to discover that due to its dependency on the blockchain API he was SHIT OUT OF BITCOINS.

15:39:02 benkay: it was awesome. much lectures on understanding what the fuck you're playing with and how it's not a fucking toy were dispensed.

15:39:08 benkay: then i bought from a pro. using laptops.

15:39:43 benkay: sorry for interrupting the magic computers discussion

15:41:35 benkay: http://bitbet.us/bet/858/ << lol @ bitbet trolling for gracious donations

15:41:36 assbot: BitBet - Perpetual Obsolescence: iOS 8 Announced in 2014 :: 0.22 B (96%) on Yes, 0.01 B (4%) on No | closing in 6 months 3 weeks | weight: 93`313 (100`000 to 1)

15:42:04 mircea_popescu: <benkay> it was awesome. << kik pretty good

15:43:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07398283 = 0.5179 BTC [-] {2}

15:43:55 mike_c: not only is some dumbass trying to bet after the event, but he bets a whopping 20 cents.

15:44:34 mircea_popescu: lean betting

15:44:51 benkay: <mircea_popescu> im gonna consider sponsoring some people i don't know, because i have no friends and don't know anybody. // this is the same problem i have with figuring out which trade shows to attend. i can't find a pattern to which ones produce leads, so i have to make a bunch of mistakes and learn to sniff out the frauds myself.

15:45:13 benkay: some day my noodle will dry out

15:45:25 mircea_popescu: !up bitstein

15:45:54 mircea_popescu: benkay, pretty much th estory of business since niniveh

15:47:34 benkay: <mircea_popescu> gotta love people that send you gpg mail and dutifully include a complete summary in the subject line // even better are cleartext responses quoting the original message

15:47:36 benkay: FIRED.

15:48:34 bitcoinpete: lol usagi sent me a cleartext email the same day he negrated me

15:49:11 bitcoinpete: so i sent an email back to his otc email, a different one than the he'd previously sent from and… message delayed/lost in ether

15:49:27 bitcoinpete: gpg too hard obv

15:50:57 bitcoinpete: http://www.businessinsider.com/leaked-argentine-memo-to-evade-bondholders-2014-6

15:50:57 assbot: Leaked Argentine Memo To Evade Bondholders - Business Insider

15:51:36 bitcoinpete: "the memo suggests that perhaps the country isn't eager to pay off all of its creditors."

15:51:47 bitcoinpete: usa in 10 years

15:51:57 bitcoinpete: maybe 20

15:52:04 bitcoinpete: maybe 5

15:53:07 bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: mike_c, consider one of the safeguards is used and bricks a generation of asics. << like moving to sha512 or…?

15:53:50 mircea_popescu: nah, there's some extra bytes to be able to brick asics

15:54:53 bitcoinpete: no grok...

15:55:21 chetty: re-education camps are here: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/06/03/baker-forced-to-make-gay-wedding-cakes-undergo-sensitivity-training-after/

15:55:21 assbot: Baker forced to make gay wedding cakes, undergo sensitivity training, after losing lawsuit | Fox News

15:55:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79400 @ 0.0008569 = 68.0379 BTC [+] {3}

15:56:06 CheckDavid: :D

15:56:22 mircea_popescu: wtf bullshi tis that

15:56:27 CheckDavid: mircea_popescu: you made assbot trust me so I can voice?

15:57:12 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot CheckDavid

15:57:13 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask CheckDavid!uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-znkzsxuxaicnqsnr. Trust relationship from user assbot to user CheckDavid: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=CheckDavid | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=CheckDavid | Rated since: Fri Apr 11 12:52:24 2014

15:57:16 mircea_popescu: nope.

15:57:33 mircea_popescu: o yah, yeah i think ytou were added to the list back when

15:57:43 CheckDavid: Oh. Thanks

15:58:36 CheckDavid: Kickstarter doesn't allow btc or does it?

15:59:01 CheckDavid: I heard one can implement btc payments in there somehow though

15:59:18 CheckDavid: Not sure if accurate

15:59:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.02684972 BTC to 8`428 shares, 24049 satoshi per share

16:02:22 mike_c: this cracks me up. hipster lorem ipsum: http://hipsum.co/?paras=4&type=hipster-centric

16:02:22 assbot: Hipster Ipsum | Artisanal filler text for your site or project.

16:03:13 princessnell: chetty terrible. i need to gtfo like yesterday.

16:03:44 chetty: buenos aries is nice princessnell

16:04:19 chetty: gasenwagens are next

16:04:35 princessnell: chetty the conference seems so far away. might need to scope out the place beforehand.

16:07:11 benkay: i just learned about the doge "soak"

16:09:57 benkay: re: gay bakery - don't ever tell anyone why you're refusing to do business with them. 'this just isn't a good deal for me. thanks for your interest.'

16:10:20 danielpbarron: ^ ++

16:11:35 mike_c: that doesn't work for a bakery. you can't serve 10 customers cake and then tell the black guy "this isn't a good deal for me".

16:11:51 danielpbarron: "i'm all out of cake"

16:12:26 benkay: there are just so many ways to do it, though mike_c

16:12:32 benkay: 10x the normal rate

16:12:36 benkay: 100x the normal rate

16:12:53 danielpbarron: i'd just make the homos their stupid cake and then tweet about how homosexuals should be stoned to death later that night

16:12:54 mike_c: and why are you changing the rate? because the guy is gay? doesn't work.

16:13:06 benkay: changing what rate? each customer only sees their own quote

16:13:17 benkay: unless of course you're publishing prices

16:13:19 benkay: for custom work

16:14:03 mike_c: meh, i don't think it works irl. just make the guy a cake. wtf does the baker care? you don't go to hell for making gay cakes.

16:14:20 benkay: but you go to the gulag for saying "naw faggot get out"

16:14:28 mike_c: yeah, so?

16:14:34 mircea_popescu: mike_c, pretty good lol

16:14:35 benkay: don't say that

16:14:36 mircea_popescu: ETSY!

16:15:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.02124 = 0.1699 BTC [+]

16:15:37 mircea_popescu: <benkay> re: gay bakery - don't ever tell anyone why you're refusing to do business with them. 'this just isn't a good deal for me. thanks for your interest. << hyou know this is how the VC circus was born right ? bankers thinking it imprident to laugh in the face of "businessmen"

16:15:50 mircea_popescu: led retarded kids with no negative feedback in a positive feedback loop

16:15:59 benkay: sure

16:16:06 benkay: but the baker answers to a higher power

16:16:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.02513275 = 0.1759 BTC [-]

16:16:28 mircea_popescu: which is why there should be no higher power than a baker

16:16:31 princessnell: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/04/mayday-pac-tech_n_5442230.html

16:16:31 assbot: Tech Titans From Both Parties Get Behind Super PAC To End All Super PACs

16:16:36 benkay: some day.

16:16:45 princessnell: Peter Thiel getting behind campaign finance reform

16:17:11 danielpbarron: how can you even tell the cake is for a gay wedding? i'm guess it has two groom figurines on the top; is it against the law to have a rule that no cake may have two male figurines on top?

16:17:45 danielpbarron: or "the customer must buy the figurines separately and apply them himself"

16:17:48 TomServo: Isn't the real humor re: the gay cake the fact that this ruling occurred in a state in which gay marriage is illegal?

16:18:10 Mats_cd03: that war chest needs about three more zeros to make a difference

16:18:26 asciilifeform: 'GET /wallet.zip HTTP/1.1' from port 49375', 'GET /bitcoin.zip...' [same], lol, is the tard on freenode?

16:18:38 mike_c: danielpbarron: you going to have a rule against black figurines on your cakes too?

16:19:04 danielpbarron: mike_c, I wouldn't, but would that be illegal?

16:19:08 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i wonder if this is how usagi backups

16:19:57 mike_c: is discrimination illegal? generally, yes.

16:20:14 mircea_popescu: discrimination can't be illegal.

16:20:20 danielpbarron: how is that discrimination? the rule isn't no black customers; it's no black figurines

16:20:45 mircea_popescu: lol the kid shows promise

16:20:49 chetty: well its the {must have sensitiveity training' that gets me

16:20:59 benkay: wait hang on i figured it out

16:21:06 benkay: "don't transact with the masses"

16:21:13 asciilifeform: 'GET /backups/'..., 'GET /btc/'..., 'GET /safe/'..., 'GET /backup.zip'..., 'GET /.svn/entries' << lol!

16:21:15 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron, it will be argued that it is in fact discriminatory on the racist presumption that it disproportionately affects black customers, as if they absolutely have to have black figurines on their wedding cake.

16:21:48 mircea_popescu: which is why all this nonsense is so funny, all the racism involved in the arguments against discrimination.

16:22:55 mike_c: danielpbarron: you are trying to be cute with the rules, but that is just bullshit. why do you have the rule against black figurines? because you hate blacks.

16:23:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.02513275 = 0.2513 BTC [-]

16:23:38 chetty: I once had to go to a racism class when I was pregnant, some derp said something about pregnant and barefoot women in the kitchen so I took my shoes off and said 'which way?'

16:24:13 moiety: ok moving time, see yous later!

16:24:22 Naphex: hey xmj troll me with some marketing voodoo about startups i am in the mood:)

16:24:25 danielpbarron: just to clarify, I don't have a problem with blacks, but so what? if you don't like that someone hates blacks then don't do business with them

16:24:53 danielpbarron: nobody is entitled to the service of having a wedding cake made for them

16:25:02 mike_c: "so what" is that a lot of people don't find racism/sexism/homophobia something to simply be ignored.

16:25:25 mike_c: because then you end up with half your country owning slaves.

16:25:28 danielpbarron: a lot of people do really stupid things

16:25:30 chetty: well we have lost 'we reserve the right to refuse service'

16:25:40 davout: danielpbarron: in france we have this "refus de vente" offense, you can't just select your customers if you're selling to the general public

16:25:43 danielpbarron: mike_c, what does slavery have to do with hating blacks??

16:26:01 danielpbarron: mike_c, I am pro-slavery and I don't argue it from a racial point of view

16:26:11 davout: mircea_popescu: "which is why there should be no higher power than a baker" <<< such amen

16:26:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16500 @ 0.00085472 = 14.1029 BTC [-]

16:26:28 asciilifeform: over here, 'right to refuse service' is alive and well in... pubs. it is permitted when based on particular clothing. which the 'untermenschen' helpfully insist on wearing.

16:27:30 xmj: Naphex: yawn

16:27:52 Naphex: funny they let me in everywhere dressed in anything when they see my pockets filled with cash ^.^

16:27:53 xmj: now i get shat on for describing reality. ffu

16:27:56 xmj: Naphex: troll someone else

16:28:00 danielpbarron: yeah, clubs in NYC turn you away for having the "wrong shoes" which some argue is vailed racism (they are basically saying, blacks don't have nice shoes)

16:28:18 Naphex: what about rapppers?

16:28:38 fluffypony: I like wrap

16:28:41 xmj: Naphex: I've made the same experiences, fwiw. once they notice you're about to spend decent cash.. attire is secondary

16:28:43 davout: asciilifeform: i guess it's not really comparable (we have that too in france, you need to be dressed up to get into nightclubs), thing is, the "dressed-up" criteria is based on measurable things that are laid out beforehand, not on whether oyu like or dislike someone

16:28:46 Naphex: http://www.bet.com/news/fashion-and-beauty/2012/04/11/fab-or-fail-jeremy-scott-gorilla-adidas-as-seen-on-amber-rose-and-a-ap-rocky/_jcr_content/featuredMedia/newsitemimage.newsimage.dimg/041112-fashion-beauty-2-chainz-gorilla-adidas-shoes.jpg those some nice shoes

16:29:22 asciilifeform: davout: not quite the same thing. it's 'no caps', 'no pants with wide bottoms', etc. rather than 'must have civilized suit'

16:29:50 davout: asciilifeform: yeah but it's measurable and not based on *who* wears the clothing

16:29:57 asciilifeform: the folks for whom these items are mandatory, 'national' clothing stay out. and don't seem to complain.

16:30:27 benkay: go once, conform to rules, make friends, spend money, return wearing cap. no problems.

16:30:52 Naphex: see benkay knows how to infiltrate

16:31:11 davout: i mean, the whole baker thing sounds pretty retarded anyway, if i went to a baker that refuses jews i wouldn't insist on giving him business

16:31:21 Naphex: :)))

16:31:26 asciilifeform: davout owns a time machine?

16:31:44 davout: asciilifeform: yes, designed by apple in california

16:31:48 davout: :D

16:31:53 chetty: davout, but thats the point, they do it to push agenda, not to get cake

16:32:20 davout: fucking gayminists

16:34:00 fluffypony: gomunists

16:36:14 mike_c: you assholes got my bp up. who needs coffee.

16:36:51 mike_c: http://xkcd.com/386/

16:36:51 assbot: xkcd: Duty Calls

16:37:02 davout: mike_c: word

16:37:17 xmj: infiltration is piece of cake :)

16:38:06 xmj: http://www.galactanet.com/oneoff/access_mod.html << very good short story.

16:38:07 assbot: Access

16:40:17 BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: You know the other planes that have the same paint job, but are no where near the president's location in the world

16:41:28 BingoBoingo: Eh, /, is the suck. They traded my link for abc news

16:42:58 TomServo: BingoBoingo: That's weak.

16:43:15 TomServo: BingoBoingo: "if-it's-not-money,-it's-close-enough-for-government-work dept." are those your words?

16:45:02 BingoBoingo: TomServo: Nah

16:48:13 BingoBoingo: %book

16:48:14 atcbot: 3k@180 5k@175 2k@170 | 48k@141 25k@141 100k@140

16:49:13 mircea_popescu: "As-salamu 'alaykum

16:49:14 mircea_popescu: We wish to introduce to you to our investment financial program which

16:49:14 mircea_popescu: is deemed at giving financial credits to legitimate individuals and

16:49:14 mircea_popescu: corporate firms for a good ROI."

16:49:54 mircea_popescu: "We target growing entrepreneurs and businessmen in the world. I also wish to bring to your notice, our company's interest to provide financing for individuals and corporate bodies alike in great business opportunities."

16:50:11 mircea_popescu: ycombinator needs to fucking stop sending stuff.

16:50:58 fluffypony: for a moment I was hoping that was on the forum

16:55:32 mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03: mike_c: http://bitbet.us/bet/802/bitcoin-to-drop-under-300-before-june/#b58 i dont see the funds https://blockchain.info/address/17HvePmDqPnKjZ79FrB1yicZPqyxTN4BnR << looking into this.

16:55:32 assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $300 before June :: 4.75 B (10%) on Yes, 41.24 B (90%) on No | closed 1 week 3 days ago

16:55:32 assbot: Bitcoin Address 17HvePmDqPnKjZ79FrB1yicZPqyxTN4BnR

16:56:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 4248 @ 0.00047259 = 2.0076 BTC [-] {3}

16:57:21 benkay: <Naphex> see benkay knows how to infiltrate // it's a joo

16:57:24 benkay: <Naphex> see benkay knows how to infiltrate // it's a joo thing

16:58:17 mircea_popescu: nubbins`: your bits are too slow << URBITS!

16:58:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 205 @ 0.00387492 = 0.7944 BTC [-] {7}

16:59:21 mircea_popescu: <mike_c> danielpbarron: you are trying to be cute with the rules, but that is just bullshit. why do you have the rule against black figurines? because you hate blacks. << how serious are you ?!

16:59:45 mike_c: well, relatively serious. is there some other reason you would refuse to use black figurines?

16:59:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 42 @ 0.003801 = 0.1596 BTC [-]

17:00:05 mircea_popescu: <mike_c> because then you end up with half your country owning slaves. << to the great benefit of all those involved.

17:00:56 mircea_popescu: <Naphex> funny they let me in everywhere dressed in anything when they see my pockets filled with cash ^.^ << this guy has a real cash fetish :D

17:01:26 Naphex: i don't

17:01:28 Naphex: other people do

17:02:30 mircea_popescu: mike_c, i dunno dood, maybe you don't like the ingredients that have to be used to make it be black.

17:02:30 Naphex: i like bitcoins:D

17:02:47 mircea_popescu: it's such nonsenbse this, that your particular meaning is somehow part of objects now.

17:03:02 mike_c: not part of objects, part of behavior.

17:03:05 mircea_popescu: every culture is free to create its own set of names for the constellations wtf.

17:03:44 chetty: hey they can even draw new ones if they like, dont change the stars

17:03:52 mircea_popescu: mike_c, you against flag burning too ?

17:04:14 mike_c: no

17:04:19 mircea_popescu: so legt me get this straight

17:04:34 mircea_popescu: if i make two paper figurines, one black, one red-white aqnd burn both

17:04:41 mircea_popescu: your bp is going up over a selective subset of this ?

17:05:23 mike_c: thinking..

17:05:32 mircea_popescu: "behaviour" is a cop out. the tendency is to put meaning into objects, which is a task for they who've hunted snipes successfully.

17:07:02 mike_c: some people "hate americans" and act accordingly. I think this is retarded, but it doesn't upset me. some people "hate homos" and act accordingly, yet this does upset me.

17:07:20 mike_c: perhaps this is inconsistent.

17:07:32 Naphex: well i hate people who hate animals

17:07:36 Naphex: and act accordingly

17:07:51 Naphex: and i act accordingly when i see people acting accordingly to hating animals

17:07:53 danielpbarron: <+mike_c> well, relatively serious. is there some other reason you would refuse to use black figurines? << there needn't be any other reason; is it my business or not?

17:08:01 mircea_popescu: it goes much deeper than that mike_c. some years ago, in the days of the johnny cash, trolls burned the flag much to the dismay of the right "silent majority", which was mocked by the progressive left.

17:08:21 mircea_popescu: meanwhile that progressive left has ossified into a "silent majority", and... well... trolls are burning black men much to their display.

17:08:32 mircea_popescu: if this isn't a sad exercise into becoming everything you've hated about the stupidity of your parents

17:08:35 mircea_popescu: i dunno what would be.

17:09:38 mike_c: so what's your point? that I shouldn't care about other people's idiocy? or is it that it isn't stupid to be racist/homophobic.

17:09:41 mircea_popescu: at any raqte, the notion that anyone burned the flag "because they hated america" was so fucking ridiculojus back then

17:09:47 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You just might win the Halep bet

17:09:52 mircea_popescu: quite obviously everyone did it to piss off the people who get pissed off by these things

17:10:07 mircea_popescu: mike_c, my point is that you can't pretend like meaning is immanent. it's not.

17:10:15 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, W00t

17:10:19 mircea_popescu: where 00 are b00bies

17:10:37 BingoBoingo: I thought she lost them, because they were holding her back

17:10:54 BingoBoingo: http://fairplaydeprahova.altphel.ro/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/simona-halep-pic-getty-568887852-396666.jpg

17:10:57 danielpbarron: why is racism always lumped in with hating homosexuals, and why is hating homosexuals lumped in with homophobia? I'm not afraid of them, lol

17:10:59 mike_c: but there often is meaning. flag burning is dumb. but refusing service based on race/gay/sex does have meaning.

17:11:03 mircea_popescu: so she's going to 4ever be remember as that nigger that didn't need em to have em :D

17:11:34 BingoBoingo: I mean she's now two wins away from the trophy or whatever the fuck they play over.

17:11:41 mircea_popescu: mike_c, seems a distinction devoid of difference, entirely made out of your own interest.

17:12:15 BingoBoingo: http://tennis.si.com/2014/06/03/simona-halep-french-open-quarterfinals/

17:12:16 assbot: Photos: Is Simona Halep the most graceful player on the women’s tour? | Beyond The Baseline

17:12:37 mircea_popescu: holy shit she has it all huh.

17:12:37 chetty: why would it matter to you what some other person thinks? (random person, not friend or anything)

17:13:00 mircea_popescu: chetty, because you're insecure about your pile of unexamined groupthink items.

17:13:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00085472 = 12.8208 BTC [-]

17:13:05 danielpbarron: because the lgbt movement isn't about rights; it's the opposite: it's about forcing acceptance on others

17:13:22 mike_c: 100 people go lynch a black guy. yes, 20 of them only did it because of peer pressure, but 80 of them did do it because they hate/fear/whatever blacks.

17:13:32 danielpbarron: "you better at least pretend to like gays.. OR ELSE."

17:13:34 mike_c: that doesn't mean there was no meaning to any of it.

17:13:52 mircea_popescu: mike_c, it means you can't count on it tho.

17:14:10 mircea_popescu: do people killing rats hate rats for that matter ?

17:14:16 mike_c: sure, i can't count it. but fuck those 20 guys who did it for dumb reasons too.

17:14:20 mircea_popescu: like say an exterminator.

17:14:58 danielpbarron: exterminators probably love rats

17:15:00 chetty: haha well if you live in DC rat killing is not allowed

17:15:04 mike_c: bad analogy. killing rats and/or manuls means nothing.

17:15:11 mircea_popescu: oic

17:15:21 mircea_popescu: anbd you get to decide which objects carry meanin and which don't and what it is ?

17:15:29 mircea_popescu: what are you, like the mp of creation ?

17:15:43 mike_c: what's the other option? you don't get to assign meaning to anything?

17:15:50 mike_c: "i'm not god, so whatever"

17:15:51 mircea_popescu: you get to do it for yourself,

17:15:58 mircea_popescu: leave some space for the rest of the world.

17:18:27 mike_c: sure, like you left some space for romanians by leaving. you also wrote a blog post telling them they suck on the way out.

17:18:37 mircea_popescu: god help us if i happen to think xmj is stupid and xmj happens to think i shouldn't happen to think that. what's that gonna yield, a law against thinking xmjs are stupi ? enacted by ycombinator ?

17:18:47 mircea_popescu: this is why there shouldn't be a greater power than a baker in the first placre.

17:19:04 xmj: what is wrong with mircea_popescu

17:19:08 mircea_popescu: mike_c, i told them they suck while there, too. you don;t know about it because i told THEM

17:19:09 xmj: he's deluded.

17:19:18 pankkake: how old are you xmj?

17:19:27 xmj: 27 today.

17:19:35 midnightmagic: happy birthday

17:19:44 mike_c: hehe. i think we are talking about limits on freedom. you think people should be free to be racist/homophobic. i'm not sure i agree.

17:20:07 pankkake: I was already grumpy at 27

17:20:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8950 @ 0.00085895 = 7.6876 BTC [+] {2}

17:20:12 mircea_popescu: not that far. i;m merely pointing at a certain bit of nonsense you seem to have accidentally swallowed

17:20:12 xmj: oh i do agree with that.

17:20:30 xmj: pankkake: i think mircea_popescu is stupid for thinking i'm stupid for describing reality as it is.

17:20:37 mircea_popescu: by the time there's laws directing the proper behaviour in bakeries the discussion as to whether the state failed or succeedded is moot

17:20:40 xmj: go work for a few venture capital-funded startups.

17:20:45 xmj: you'll see what i mean.

17:20:47 mircea_popescu: both states having collapsed into a singularity.

17:21:31 pankkake: it looks like a misunderstanding like only the internet can create

17:22:17 Naphex: lol

17:22:26 xmj: yeah, no

17:22:35 Naphex: xmj: man no matter what startup or the funding, knowing your shit is always good

17:22:36 xmj: he thinks i'm describing a should-state

17:22:38 fluffypony: http://aeon.co/magazine/world-views/does-america-need-to-make-english-its-official-language/

17:22:39 assbot: Should English be the US official language? Eric C Miller Aeon

17:22:41 Naphex: and thinking about your hardware always counts

17:22:43 xmj: Naphex: Obviously.

17:22:51 Naphex: no matter what lean mean strategy you pull

17:22:52 pankkake: yes, that's what it seems

17:23:04 Naphex: and also, storing private data on hypervisors you don't control

17:23:06 Naphex: makes it insecure

17:23:07 Naphex: period

17:23:16 Naphex: so thats that with that argument

17:23:19 pankkake: can't we just stay meta?

17:23:22 xmj: Naphex: case in point: all startups here in estonia i've heard of do not buy hardware but use aws/rackspace/...

17:23:36 Naphex: xmj: and that is in no way a good thing

17:23:44 Naphex: they may do that, they may thing its correct

17:23:45 mircea_popescu: lol looks like Naphex got his wish

17:23:48 xmj: AWS is a given in many orgs, rule of thumb is the costs will be one employee.

17:23:48 Naphex: but it is not

17:24:02 xmj: jo

17:24:09 Naphex: +xmj> AWS is a given in many orgs, rule of thumb is the costs will be one employee.

17:24:23 Naphex: why not do everything yourself?

17:24:26 xmj: (now that's for smaller ones between 10 and 20 people)

17:24:38 chetty: I think I just got a new curse word - consensus

17:24:43 xmj: Naphex: because it's not part of the "core business" and you don't get seed-funded to do that.

17:24:52 xmj: in other words.. don't ask me

17:24:55 xmj: ask their COOs

17:25:02 asciilifeform: wait was someone seriously arguing for the merits of 'cloud' crapola ?!

17:25:04 mike_c: xmj: what percentage of these companies fail?

17:25:07 Naphex: what do i care about their co's

17:25:14 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, it;s unclear yet.

17:25:15 chetty: remember: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BpTQOM4CAAEndo0.jpg

17:25:15 xmj: mike_c: Most :)

17:25:19 Naphex: but don't just go about hosting bitcoins on vps's

17:25:26 *: asciilifeform was doing actual work, to his misfortune, must've missed all the good stuff here

17:25:26 Naphex: and tell customers they're secure

17:25:27 mike_c: most = what? > 90%? > 99%?

17:25:37 xmj: probably somewhere like that

17:25:45 xmj: i could pull numbers out of my ass

17:25:53 mike_c: so why the hell would you be pushing their shitty methodology?

17:25:55 xmj: you might just as well read some techcrunch

17:26:00 xmj: mike_c: again, I'm not

17:26:03 mircea_popescu: * asciilifeform was doing actual work, to his misfortune, must've missed all the good stuff here << we'll get the cardano once b-a becomes boring

17:26:13 xmj: mike_c: I describe what I see people doing without value judgment.

17:26:14 asciilifeform: lul

17:27:23 Naphex: one day a bored aws admin will grep for private keys :)

17:27:59 *: chetty now applying for admin job pls

17:28:28 Naphex: or lol

17:28:31 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

17:28:34 Naphex: grep for walletpassphrase (*.)

17:28:38 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 649.4, vol: 18742.35969948 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 637.0, vol: 12842.89905 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 650.58, vol: 27676.79113624 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 663.99, vol: 22.30524757 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 643.7664, vol: 7005.07430000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 644.15564, vol: 64.15305076 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 652.944, vol: 88.08421187 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)

17:28:39 BingoBoingo: ;;more

17:28:39 gribble: 646.905240805

17:28:44 Naphex: and wallet.dat

17:28:48 BingoBoingo: %book

17:28:50 atcbot: 3k@180 5k@175 2k@170 | 47k@141 25k@141 100k@140

17:28:57 xmj: what could possibly go wrong haha

17:29:07 mircea_popescu: Naphex, you saw the earlier lines from asciilifeform ? bitcoin.zip etc

17:29:12 xmj: if you must back it up in teh cloud, at least use tarsnap.

17:29:21 mircea_popescu: for that matter, am i the only one old enough to remember the reason we don't use linode ?

17:29:48 mike_c: i remember the why, but not the who.

17:30:05 pankkake: I remember and I had 0 bitcoins at the time even

17:30:18 pankkake: another "wtf are those kids doing" moment

17:30:21 mircea_popescu: mike_c, slush and bitcoinica.

17:30:29 kakobrekla: instawallet ?

17:30:40 mike_c: the answer to everything is bitcoinica :)

17:31:00 mircea_popescu: nubbins`: "the sec is pleased to announce that it suffered a net loss of only $150,000 in securing mr voorhees' conviction" << it wasn't a conviction. more like "the sec spent 150k for bitcoin people to go "here's a dime go buy something nice for yourself and stfu""

17:31:16 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla, nah you recall the breach when a linode emplooyee just ran off with th ewallets

17:31:21 danielpbarron: <+mike_c> hehe. i think we are talking about limits on freedom. you think people should be free to be racist/homophobic. i'm not sure i agree. << you think people should be free to commit acts of sodomy; I am *sure* I don't agree. Which one of our sensibilities is more valuable? My solution is: you enforce your anti-racist w/e on your property, and I'll enforce my anti-homo w/e on mine.

17:31:26 mircea_popescu: and linode first lied about it, then offered people a 1 month free coupon

17:31:30 mircea_popescu: slush ended up covering 4k from pocket

17:32:51 pankkake: lol I didn't know about the employee and the coupon. golden

17:33:13 mike_c: danielpbarron: you own any apple products?

17:33:16 mircea_popescu: this was before wallets were encrypted by the reference client

17:33:18 mircea_popescu: !up gabriel_laddel

17:33:39 Naphex: man people who host on vps will host their .bash_history and wallet code there as well

17:33:45 Naphex: encrypted will do no help

17:33:46 pankkake: https://bitbucket.org/pankkake/asslyrics/src/1629355dd29c480be17f86fbe349f903173ef855/hotelbitcoinica.txt?at=master btw

17:33:47 assbot: pankkake / asslyrics / source / hotelbitcoinica.txt — Bitbucket

17:33:48 Naphex: cause you can get they key

17:33:52 mircea_popescu: Naphex, that too.

17:34:00 pankkake: if it's on a virtual instance, you can just inspect the memory

17:34:14 Naphex: why bother

17:34:21 danielpbarron: <+mike_c> danielpbarron: you own any apple products? << ya; my iPhone is the first and last apple crap i'll ever buy

17:34:30 asciilifeform: 'some learn from book; others, from example; the rest must piss on the electric fence personally'

17:34:37 mike_c: good thing, can't be giving more money to tim cook.

17:35:08 danielpbarron: mike_c, everyone is disgusting; I hate everyone. I wouldn't do business with anyone if that were my criteria

17:35:22 mike_c: :)

17:35:27 mike_c: </rant>

17:35:39 gabriel_laddel: mike_c: yo: http://psychology.uwo.ca/faculty/rushtonpdfs/2008%20Med%20Hypotheses.pdf

17:35:45 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron, why so angry ?

17:36:04 danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, heh i'm not angry; it's Biblical hatred

17:36:10 mircea_popescu: ic

17:36:22 danielpbarron: all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God

17:37:31 diametric: is this guy for real, i can't recall that nick before.

17:37:55 mike_c: oh he's serious. you should see when him and Luke-Jr get going.

17:38:03 mircea_popescu: god damned usb conventions

17:38:16 mircea_popescu: i have 8 cabloes here, and im not even sure i got one for each case ;/

17:38:48 diametric: universal indeed

17:38:52 mircea_popescu: diametric, yeah what mike said

17:39:15 mircea_popescu: so fucking universal it could be an endangered species for its universality.

17:39:36 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://www.okokchina.com/Files/uppic23/Sell%20USB%20Universal%20Tool%20Bag_Computer%20Usb%20Cable%20Kit286.jpg << example of pill against this

17:40:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.02124 = 0.1487 BTC [-]

17:40:33 mircea_popescu: sigh

17:40:43 mircea_popescu: ;;google DE .5 gold plated

17:40:44 gribble: Engagement Rings: Buy Engagement Rings in Jewelry at Sears: http://www.sears.com/jewelry-wedding-engagement-jewelry-bridal-jewelry-engagement-rings/b-1327352579; AuroDur Datasheet - RfMW: http://www.rfmw.com/Rosenberger_AuroDur_EN_070221.pdf; Oscar De La Renta 24-Karat Gold-Plated Drop Earrings - Polyvore: (1 more message)

17:40:55 mircea_popescu: holi shyt.

17:41:29 mircea_popescu: ;;google Desert Eagle which is a .5 hand cannon designed for shooting the idiots that made this mess, gold plated

17:41:30 gribble: No matches found.

17:41:38 mircea_popescu: i blame mike_c

17:42:53 mike_c: ;;google desert eagle .50

17:42:54 gribble: Desert Eagle, .50 AE, Black - Magnum Research, Inc.: http://www.magnumresearch.com/firearms/magnum-research-desert-eagle-50-ae-black.asp; Desert Eagle .50 Cal One Handed - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVuRLztDljY; My Wife -vs- the Desert Eagle .50 - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFJjaj7pXsA

17:43:01 mircea_popescu: ty.

17:43:02 mike_c: americans know how to find guns.

17:43:10 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, ^ there is another example.

17:43:19 asciilifeform: lol

17:43:25 BingoBoingo: http://cdn2.armslist.com/sites/armslist/uploads/posts/2011/03/26/115713_01_desert_eagle_50_ae_gold_tiger__640.jpg

17:43:32 BingoBoingo: ^ cannon

17:43:46 asciilifeform: 'eagle', as i understand, is among the more impractical small arms ever sold

17:44:02 mike_c: don't call it small, you'll make it mad

17:44:13 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, you've been lied to.

17:44:16 asciilifeform: wrist destruction machine

17:44:28 mircea_popescu: it's not a fucking smg.

17:46:11 asciilifeform: reminds me of another peculiar american small arm, often seen in catalogues - the pocket m16.

17:47:01 asciilifeform: http://www.twncommunications.net/Other/ARPistol.jpg

17:47:03 asciilifeform: ^ example

17:47:22 fluffypony: mike_c: you'll be pleased to know that I'm sticking to my iPhone, and will probably be getting the iPhone 6 when it comes out

17:47:24 fluffypony: :-P

17:47:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 201 @ 0.0037249 = 0.7487 BTC [-] {7}

17:48:09 mircea_popescu: this chan will be known in retrospect mostly by the abundance and insistence of heresy

17:48:09 mike_c: blech, get an android. i was just looking for ammo.

17:48:24 asciilifeform: never know when you might chance upon a rhinoceros.

17:49:07 fluffypony: in -otc: [19:47:39] ronkrt: Any investor types that would care to chat about a possible great investment op?

17:49:26 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust ronkrt

17:49:26 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user ronkrt: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=ronkrt | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ronkrt | Rated since: Mon Jun 2 03:02:14 2014

17:49:27 fluffypony: should I give him the support number and tell him he can phone to learn how to IPO?

17:49:49 mircea_popescu: let's not troll moiety too much

17:50:21 BingoBoingo: Rhinocerous http://www.pagunblog.com/2007/03/29/the-577-tyrannosaur/

17:50:21 assbot: The .577 Tyrannosaur | Shall Not Be Questioned

17:50:33 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: neato! have you tried it?

17:50:52 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: No. But seems to be actual anti Rhinocerous weapon.

17:52:05 BingoBoingo: ;;google .700 Nitro Express

17:52:05 gribble: .700 Nitro Express - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.700_Nitro_Express; 700 Nitro Express - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D41NYBHkb9M; Cameron fires the .700 Nitro Express - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsTKFnThh6Q

17:52:26 BingoBoingo: ^ Moar innovation

17:53:23 BingoBoingo: Actually and English one http://www.vincelewis.net/700.html

17:53:27 assbot: 700 NITRO EXPRESS RIFLE

17:54:02 mircea_popescu: nubbins`: if she got it, she wouldn't work for motherboard << isn't this sexist ? shouldn't it be fatherboard ?

17:54:29 mike_c: personboard

17:54:31 asciilifeform: http://media.liveauctiongroup.net/i/13481/13752380_1.jpg?v=8CF480C988D3E10

17:54:51 asciilifeform: why settle for half-measures.

17:56:15 BingoBoingo: Very good question

17:56:35 asciilifeform: there used to be surplus 'lahti' (finland) on u.s. market

17:56:39 asciilifeform: no idea what happened to that

17:57:03 asciilifeform: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/99/L39.jpg

17:57:33 asciilifeform: 20mm

18:15:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0738486 = 0.2954 BTC [+]

18:19:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.02108045 = 0.1054 BTC [-] {4}

18:19:53 mircea_popescu: nubbins`:

18:19:54 mircea_popescu: "The SEC?s investigation was conducted by Daphna A. Waxman, Daphne P. Downes, and Philip R. Moustakis of the New York Regional Office. Ms Waxman's contribution was particularly unimpressive; she has left the SEC to pursue other ventures." << wtf that's a quote ?!

18:21:46 mircea_popescu: pankkake: it's weird to name yourself bitcoinwoman << about as weird as bitcoingirl. kinda lulzy how female identity is constructed in th eeng;lish space

18:21:54 mircea_popescu: "you know pete ? well im like pete, but a woman"

18:22:01 mircea_popescu: or, "i'm the woman with pete"

18:22:02 mircea_popescu: etc.

18:22:20 mircea_popescu: ultimate derivative product.

18:22:37 mircea_popescu: at least derpy guys understand that bitcoinman doesn't work, so they go for bitcoinjezuz instead

18:23:16 mircea_popescu: i guess since there are no famous or remarkable women in history, women can't do the same thing. wtf is bitcoinmarymagdalene.

18:23:35 mircea_popescu: and so that's the gripe with patriarchy : it gave it easy to guys. there we go, i now understand 4th wave feminism.

18:23:49 mircea_popescu: they're butthurt that guys can go "bitcoinjesus" but they have to go "bitcoingirl"

18:23:56 mike_c: bitcoinoprah?

18:24:16 mircea_popescu: she;s fat.

18:24:23 mike_c: only ever other season

18:24:27 mike_c: *every

18:24:48 mircea_popescu: what 20yo underfed white chick from milkaukee is going to indentify herself with a 60yo aretha franklin lookalike

18:25:02 pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=639056.0 never stops to entertain

18:25:03 assbot: HEDGE FUND BTC

18:25:30 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Arethra doesn't look Oprah bad

18:25:46 pankkake: bitcoinjoanofarc

18:25:49 mircea_popescu: i can't tell black people apart because i'm racist.

18:25:54 mircea_popescu: they all look the same to me.

18:26:07 pankkake: can you tell koreans apart?

18:26:27 mircea_popescu: only by height.

18:26:34 mircea_popescu: "I'm the owner Hedge Fund BTC list today in BitcoinBourse ticker HFB and Hedge Fund LTC list today in LitecoinInvest ticker HFLTC. Today BitcoinBourse change terms for merchants. I consider than are unacceptables."

18:26:59 mircea_popescu: (i;m an asshole, i can't tell most people apart. also i'm famous for thinking most women are blonde etc)

18:27:03 BingoBoingo: Wait, is dotcoin complaining about himself nao?

18:27:11 pankkake: bitcoinbourse is also female

18:27:19 mircea_popescu: that's bitcoinpourse

18:27:21 mircea_popescu: different.

18:27:43 mircea_popescu: (can you tell them apart ?)

18:27:49 mike_c: nobody can tell other races apart. your brain is wired from childhood to be sensitive to distinctions in your own race's facial features.

18:28:03 mircea_popescu: i can tell jews apart...

18:28:12 mike_c: then you got some of that blood in you somewhere

18:28:29 mircea_popescu: im sure some grandmother musta fucked a nigger at some point, what's this.

18:30:14 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: bitcoinnoether?

18:30:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16546 @ 0.00085615 = 14.1659 BTC [-] {3}

18:31:07 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, no see, they'd have had to read to know that. like, books

18:31:11 mircea_popescu: what good is it if you gotta work for it.

18:31:12 asciilifeform: lol

18:31:45 mircea_popescu: ok bitbet payments should have b4een caught up

18:32:03 mircea_popescu: If BitcoinBourse don't reconsiders her new maintenance fees perhaps we need to any of this:

18:32:04 mircea_popescu: - Migrate to any other exchange.

18:32:10 mircea_popescu: o noes, what do they charge now ?

18:35:08 Naphex: Bitcoin is money for internet. Internet money good. Buy some. Price go up. You spend. Everyone happy.

18:35:10 Naphex: " "

18:35:13 Naphex: forgot the quotes

18:35:49 punkman: Naphex: who's that

18:37:06 mircea_popescu: tarzan.

18:37:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40800 @ 0.00085239 = 34.7775 BTC [-]

18:38:17 Naphex: some guy from reddit

18:38:20 Naphex: just foind it funny

18:38:21 asciilifeform: in unrelated news, the wikiwagen seems to have vanished from the vacant lot it lived in, on my street. not long after i last mentioned it here.

18:38:27 asciilifeform: http://voiceofrussia.com/2013_10_20/Anonymous-is-engaged-in-a-battle-for-truth-over-evil-Christine-Ann-Sands-0846

18:38:28 assbot: Anonymous is engaged in battle for truth over evil Christine Ann Sands - News - World - The Voice of Russia: News, Breaking news, Politics, Economics, Business, Russia, International current events, Expert opinion, podcasts, Video

18:38:35 asciilifeform: ^ purported interview with owner

18:40:00 asciilifeform: http://anonomobile.com

18:40:02 assbot: ANONOMOBILE | Anonymous Mobile Unit | Government Transparency Intelligence Task Force

18:40:04 asciilifeform: ^ honeypot on wheels

18:40:27 punkman: lol

18:41:41 punkman: "God has appointed Anonymous and WikiLeaks to reveal the truth and Occupy to guard it.  John 8:32"

18:41:47 punkman: so they are into god now?

18:41:53 asciilifeform: check out the pr0n in the comment thread

18:42:55 asciilifeform: poor woman, seems like the shitter in the van doesn't work. there's a portable latrine on the grounds.

18:43:07 bitstein: ;;later tell bitcoinpete This one's dedicated to you: https://twitter.com/Bitstein/status/474257865360678913

18:43:08 assbot: "Hi, I'm Dr Steve Brule with BitAngels. Wanna make some money with your cool bit-Coins? Buy /hashtag/MaidSafe?src=hash, ya dummies!" http://t.co/V9JrwDyGGe

18:43:08 gribble: The operation succeeded.

18:44:11 asciilifeform: a few days ago, i take an evening walk, see the place - no wikiwagen, the other (unmarked) bus on the grounds also gone, two women poking at what looks like the remains of a ruined bicycle.

18:45:22 mircea_popescu: bitstein, can you translate for the slow ?

18:45:58 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, you don't have enough experience to recognise a symbian once it's been used by a progressive, i take it ?

18:46:03 Naphex: well

18:46:05 Naphex: steve brule

18:46:18 Naphex: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6a8dAGO1Uo

18:46:19 assbot: Brown's Day Care -Dr Steve Brule - YouTube

18:46:20 mircea_popescu: Naphex, is that anything like creme

18:46:20 jurov: selling rubbermaid?

18:46:21 mircea_popescu: ?

18:46:31 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: symbian, the dumbphone os ?

18:46:45 asciilifeform: a bit lost here

18:46:47 mircea_popescu: ;;google symbian, the machine that'll fuck any fatty.

18:46:48 gribble: News - hestengen-dressage.dk: http://hestengen-dressage.dk/GB/News.aspx?accb0da0bb1511df851a0800200c9a67=1&newsId=63&backText=Return; The six best fitness apps :: Men's Health: http://www.menshealth.co.uk/living/gear/the-six-best-fitness-apps; Croatian Aristocracy: Royals: http://croatianaristocracy.blogspot.com/2000/10/royals.html?showComment=1401659913886

18:46:51 asciilifeform: sybian.

18:47:01 mircea_popescu: letters, they're all the same.

18:47:03 mircea_popescu: why discriminate.

18:47:13 asciilifeform: i must confess, didn't knock on the door of the wagen, didn't see if one was installed.

18:47:25 bitstein: mircea_popescu, just watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UyIUcF57js&index=3&list=PL89BD7F7EC13090C8

18:47:25 assbot: Keep 'Em Outside | Tim and Eric Awesome Show, Great Job! | Adult Swim - YouTube

18:47:31 asciilifeform: i do wonder as to the objective: poor lamer knocks on the door, invited for tea, vivisected ?

18:47:41 mircea_popescu: just bored to death i bet.

18:47:41 asciilifeform: didn't care to find out

18:48:41 Naphex: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g31nLatyci4#t=395 watch and see a huge peter schiff having a brainfart

18:48:41 assbot: Buying Gold With Bitcoin Just Got Easier - YouTube

18:48:46 Naphex: on the value of bitcoin

18:49:56 Naphex: "the people made gold money, not the goverments"

18:49:58 Naphex: olol

18:50:20 Naphex: "and gold wouldn't have ever value if the people wouldn't have done that, but bitcoin has no value":o

18:50:45 mircea_popescu: wtf derpage is this

18:50:50 mircea_popescu: of course the lord made gold money.

18:50:56 bitstein: Look at this innovative monetary technology you can get your hands on with Bitcoin now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cNwaA5sNr8

18:50:56 assbot: Valcambi CombiBar - The New Gold Standard in Gold - YouTube

18:51:20 mircea_popescu: the people were invented in 1797 what the fuck is this bullshit, "the people"

18:52:38 asciilifeform: 'Once there was The People?Terror gave it birth; Once there was The People and it made a Hell of Earth. Earth arose and crushed it. Listen, O ye slain! Once there was The People?it shall never be again!' - mr k

18:53:11 Naphex: so much bull from that peter schiff

18:53:14 Naphex: about legs

18:53:15 Naphex: and pulls

18:53:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07150001 = 0.5005 BTC [-]

18:54:09 mircea_popescu: yoiu don't understand the knowledge.

18:54:33 mircea_popescu: btw, what's anyone think of the new fraudsters header ?

18:54:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30392 @ 0.00085196 = 25.8928 BTC [-] {2}

18:55:01 Naphex: looks good

18:55:17 Naphex: staring down the crowd

18:56:03 Naphex: i wonder all the people who think you don't exist or are some anon troll, who do they think you place on the header pictures?:)

18:56:33 mircea_popescu: ken slaughter.

18:56:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 110 @ 0.02128336 = 2.3412 BTC [+] {4}

18:56:51 mircea_popescu: alternatively, most of them can't read fraudsters because it is painful.

18:59:00 mike_c: fraudsters cookie bug? I re-cookied, I can read articles, but homepage keeps giving me paywall. credits are showing correctly in top right.

18:59:37 mircea_popescu: mike_c, possibly, will examine.

18:59:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.19665766 BTC [-]

19:00:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.1950481 = 0.3901 BTC [-]

19:01:13 mike_c: i like the new pic btw. the greenery is nice.

19:01:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.195048 BTC [-]

19:02:13 mircea_popescu: a ty

19:03:01 Naphex: so.. if the difficulty adjusts itself to do sha256 for 10 minutes, isn't bitcoin backed by TIME?

19:03:04 Naphex: *woah*

19:03:24 Apocalyptic: *mind blown*

19:03:50 Naphex: someone should give that to the presses to annoy all silver/gold/money bugs

19:03:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.194 BTC [-]

19:04:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.19850168 = 1.191 BTC [+] {2}

19:05:34 Naphex: so yeah maybe proof of work is the future future

19:05:43 Naphex: how else can you pack 10 minutes of yard work

19:05:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.19383404 = 0.3877 BTC [-] {2}

19:07:44 mircea_popescu: yes.

19:07:52 mircea_popescu: and time conquers all.

19:08:02 Naphex: nothing else more valuable

19:09:51 danielpbarron: 14:54:18 <+mircea_popescu> btw, what's anyone think of the new fraudsters header ? << i kinda miss the monopoly one, even though all the later ones have looked better an an aesthetic sense

19:09:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8337 @ 0.00085801 = 7.1532 BTC [+] {2}

19:11:35 mircea_popescu: they're in a rotation, it'll come back eventually.

19:14:33 mircea_popescu: !up phlurker

19:22:40 los_pantalones: mircea_popescu how about this one?

19:22:41 los_pantalones: http://thebillfold.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/scrooge_mcduck_math.jpg

19:22:54 los_pantalones: for a banner

19:23:18 mircea_popescu: a) it myust be 1024 wide ; b) i don't own the copyright

19:23:30 los_pantalones: oh damn your practical objections!

19:25:18 mircea_popescu: LOL

19:26:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0728399 = 0.2185 BTC [+]

19:28:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.19665809 BTC [+]

19:30:07 Naphex: i have a question, why is XRP volume so high

19:30:13 Naphex: specifically for Justcoin for example

19:30:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.19665852 BTC [+]

19:30:19 Naphex: http://www.bitcoincharts.com/markets/

19:30:22 assbot: Bitcoin Charts / Markets

19:31:27 fluffypony: Naphex: dumpers gotta dump?

19:31:53 Naphex: no it was high before as well

19:32:04 mike_c: 24h volume is 16 btc, is that high?

19:32:19 mike_c: << knows little about ripple

19:32:29 Naphex: mike_c: their BTCEUR volume is 12

19:32:42 Naphex: and its consistently higher then BTCEUR

19:32:47 mircea_popescu: mike_c, fixed ?

19:33:05 mike_c: mircea_popescu: fixed.

19:33:38 Naphex: i don't care about ripple, but kept noticing it and wondered if they pump the volume on exchanges that accept XRP or what

19:33:51 Naphex: i don't see much interest in xrp anyway and all the news i bet didn't help

19:37:21 *: mircea_popescu reloads http://www.btcalpha.com/mpif-tracker/ for the 5th time today

19:37:22 assbot: F.MPIF Live Tracker - Btc Alpha

19:38:31 mircea_popescu: TomServo: wasn't there a wife too? << yeah lol. she wanted me to not condescend her.

19:39:31 mircea_popescu: princessnell: i used to think to myself "well, these women are at least promoting the tech in a way that other women can understand." but they're only thinking of it as a consumption tool, which is worse than doing nothing at all. << by george, nell got it exactly.

19:39:50 mircea_popescu: more consumers is pretty much the least needed thing, above more plastic containers even.

19:41:34 mircea_popescu: pankkake, https://unsee.cc/mabozise/ <<< hyou know this looks like a twink do you ?

19:41:36 assbot: Unsee — Free online private photo sharing

19:42:16 pankkake: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twink_(gay_slang) lol

19:42:16 assbot: Twink (gay slang) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

19:43:21 pankkake: when shaved I have a tendency to attract the gay. hard fail on "little or no body hair, and no facial hair"

19:43:21 mircea_popescu: fluffypony, "Maybe Goldman Sachs execs will be unemployed and busy holding an Occupy Bitcoin protest outside Andreas Tower."

19:43:30 mircea_popescu: dude it must be crazy to live in there.

19:43:43 fluffypony: lol

19:43:51 mircea_popescu: you;ve given my crew indigestion.

19:44:03 fluffypony: Andreas Tower is going to be awesome

19:44:42 mircea_popescu: "derp. o god i can't read those comments." etc

19:45:02 fluffypony: right next to the Tsukino Usagi Center For Kids Who Can'T Backup Good And Want To Learn To Do Other Things Good Too

19:45:14 Apocalyptic: haha

19:45:31 mircea_popescu: "Seriously? You should have taken those bastards to court. They have no jurisdiction. All you have done is pave the way for them to blackmail others in the future. I hope you're proud of yourself."

19:45:41 mircea_popescu: apparently not even reddit takes kindly to erik these days.

19:46:27 Naphex: http://fraudsters.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/ba-3-9.jpg holy mother!

19:47:26 fluffypony: I don't get it

19:47:44 mircea_popescu: ayup

19:47:47 Naphex: Romanian Christmas lights

19:47:52 Naphex: in Argentina

19:47:54 fluffypony: ah ok

19:48:11 Naphex: truly a wonder

19:48:12 mircea_popescu: Naphex, romania had major ties to argentina, going all the way back to peron's days.

19:48:24 asciilifeform: la casa del transformador!

19:48:30 mircea_popescu: to this day you can see logan on the streets here (tho the renault assholes are branding it aqs renault not dacia)

19:48:40 mircea_popescu: and most of their oil drilling eq is ro made.

19:48:51 *: asciilifeform moves to ar, opens an 'Umformerschwitz'

19:48:55 mircea_popescu: :D

19:49:07 mircea_popescu: many regulars got their little offering in that article.

19:50:34 pankkake: hm, penguirker is too dumb and speaks before it can

19:50:44 pankkake: http://fraudsters.com/2014/we-continue-our-foray-into-distant-lands/

19:50:45 assbot: We continue our foray into distant lands pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

19:50:56 mircea_popescu: well he's yoiung

19:51:43 fluffypony: so mircea_popescu

19:51:48 fluffypony: "This is a steak, and I’m etting it."

19:51:55 fluffypony: is that like Instagramming it?

19:52:00 fluffypony: :-P

19:52:06 pankkake: why can't we send steaks over the internet yet?

19:52:19 mircea_popescu: too late, it's already etted.

19:52:24 fluffypony: pankkake: you can, you just need Proof of Steak

19:52:33 mircea_popescu: but you have nfi what steaks are.

19:52:37 mircea_popescu: until you argentina.

19:52:45 asciilifeform: tiny motorcycles. what's petrol cost over there ?

19:52:51 mircea_popescu: somehow people think pork is tender than beef.

19:53:01 mircea_popescu: THEY ARE WORNGK

19:53:16 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, exactly the same as in the us, remarkably.

19:53:53 asciilifeform: what about mains? kw/h

19:54:20 mircea_popescu: argentina is a country with twice the population and three times the gdp of romania.

19:54:54 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, that's quite complex because of the multi layered social support systems htey use

19:56:19 mircea_popescu: it also varies a lot by where in the country.

19:56:27 mircea_popescu: commercial power from what i understand is about 4cents/kwh or so

19:57:18 asciilifeform: about 10c here

19:58:22 asciilifeform: (in practice, more, after various 'fees')

19:59:15 mircea_popescu: jurov: let's skip to the part where bitcoiners have personal drivers << you're trying to go back in time to 1995 so that you can work hard for 20 years, save a nd buy many bitcoin pizzas in 2010 ?

20:01:52 mircea_popescu: atcbot:

20:01:52 mircea_popescu: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 178842.38 Est. Next Diff: 768307.81 in 858 blocks (#34272) Est. % Change: 329.60

20:01:55 mircea_popescu: holky shit batman

20:02:11 mircea_popescu: didn't it just drop 60% ? what is this, stop and go miniung ?

20:02:30 asciilifeform: TaT blew a fuse?

20:02:43 mike_c: yup. pool hoppers pump up the diff, then leave, then come back when the diff drops again.

20:03:09 BingoBoingo: http://valleywag.gawker.com/beta-testing-clinkles-new-app-sounds-like-a-nightmare-1583452909/+sarah-hedgecock

20:03:10 assbot: Beta-Testing Clinkle's New App Sounds Like a Nightmare

20:03:20 mircea_popescu: assbot: The First 'Bitcoin 2.0' Kickstarter-like Campaign Was A Wildly Successful $7 Million Disaster - Forbes << a good title for once.

20:03:27 BingoBoingo: %book

20:03:27 atcbot: 3k@180 5k@175 2k@170 | 46k@141 25k@141 100k@140

20:04:20 mircea_popescu: mike_c, ah, this is actually +ev because it allows them to select when to mine huh

20:04:33 mircea_popescu: the max 400% increase rule suddenly is very smart.

20:05:10 mircea_popescu: this behaviour should actually make atc trading very productive

20:05:16 mircea_popescu: up until miners buckle down and submit.

20:06:20 BingoBoingo: OMG Mircea spilled the sekrits

20:06:32 mircea_popescu: ow sheit.

20:06:57 mircea_popescu: pls to not read loges everyone.

20:08:05 BingoBoingo: Now everyone is going to give shitcoins max increase rools and long adjustment times.

20:08:24 mircea_popescu: a woe is me.

20:09:13 Naphex: what is it with this youngin hackers. hacker got customer account, couldn't unlock it to send funds. decided to email support

20:09:16 Naphex: in russian

20:09:22 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: I still can't believe the SEC implicitly offered MPEx such a glowing endorsement today. << whay not.

20:09:24 Naphex: to manually approve it

20:09:24 BingoBoingo: PC1 will have to resort to selling Doge pelts to the chinese

20:09:41 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Because they didn't make it explicit

20:09:53 BingoBoingo: %ticker

20:09:54 mircea_popescu: i dont tihnk they're allowed to.

20:09:54 atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 141 Ask: 170 Last Price: 141 24h-Vol: 203k High: 143 Low: 141 VWAP: 141

20:10:29 mircea_popescu: (this is arcana, but from what i understand no agency with enforcing capacity is allowed to mention specifically any company outside of the context of bringing charges)

20:10:52 mircea_popescu: can't go "do it like x"

20:11:08 mircea_popescu: can only go "don't do y like x did"

20:12:36 mircea_popescu: fluffypony: that is my new favourite quote << it's pretty acurate. the guy should be here, invite him.

20:13:50 fluffypony: ;;later tell bitstein why isn't Daniel Krawisz on IRC? get him here!

20:13:50 gribble: The operation succeeded.

20:16:12 mircea_popescu: moiety: ok i'll try and work it in << lol don't let these goons talk you into absolutely anything. you're a nice girl, but they need their spanking

20:17:13 asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/zrmHTMR,OzgNDNH#0

20:17:13 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

20:17:19 asciilifeform: ^ 'sola' is here

20:17:25 asciilifeform: loud little bugger

20:18:12 asciilifeform: perhaps he'll be a little less obnoxious when he gets new fans.

20:18:36 mike_c: seems big for 8 amps

20:18:51 asciilifeform: about the size of a breadbox.

20:18:58 asciilifeform: fits on a book shelf.

20:19:10 mike_c: ah. need to put a quarter on it :)

20:19:18 mike_c: looked bigger to me.

20:19:23 asciilifeform: same

20:19:38 asciilifeform: i was expecting something more like a 2 drawer filing cabinet

20:20:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53600 @ 0.0008587 = 46.0263 BTC [+]

20:29:37 mircea_popescu: assbot:

20:29:38 mircea_popescu: [ANN] [NAUT] Nautiluscoin - First Coin w/Stabilization Fund - Digishield << lawl.

20:30:02 mircea_popescu: i suppose P1 hasn't happened yet.

20:30:15 fluffypony: such stablefund

20:31:28 mircea_popescu: http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvrd/vcjd/other/confirmed-case-in-texas.htm

20:31:29 assbot: CDC - Confirmed vCJD Case in Texas - Variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease (vCJD)

20:31:34 Mats_cd03: 14:26 <•pankkake> can you tell koreans apart?

20:32:26 Apocalyptic: mircea, interesting

20:32:37 mircea_popescu: jurov: tinkerers and people who know how to do things right are such incredibly disjoint groups << word.

20:32:50 mircea_popescu: !up alex_c

20:32:56 Apocalyptic: there was this "maladie de la vache folle" hype in french media a couple of years back

20:33:05 mircea_popescu: i reclal

20:33:14 mircea_popescu: is la vache qui rit still a brand btw ?

20:33:24 Apocalyptic: hehe, it is

20:34:05 mircea_popescu: was [pretty lulzy at the height of the mad cow scare

20:34:14 mircea_popescu: i'd give people triangles of french velveeta

20:34:19 mircea_popescu: with a laughing cow on it

20:35:12 Mats_cd03: yes. the men wear tight pants

20:36:01 mircea_popescu: mike_c: it is truly amazing how it keeps doubling << it is.

20:36:01 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

20:36:13 mircea_popescu: soon it will start controlloing the price of electricity.

20:37:23 chetty: Last of the original Navajo Code Talkers, Chester Nez, died today at 93

20:37:55 mircea_popescu: zee germanz never actually managed to figure out navajo did they

20:39:55 mircea_popescu: dub: similar(ly stupid) ideas about spending them after fiat collapses as metals probably, libertardation << seems credible. some sort of fetishism.

20:40:49 asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/Vqj7yuX

20:40:49 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

20:41:23 mircea_popescu: http://mivoltma.444.hu/assets/sites/23/2014/05/kuczynskigif1-animated.gif << excellent rendition. ty jurov

20:41:42 asciilifeform: ^ first saw that one on orlov's page. i think he's friends with the artist.

20:42:21 mircea_popescu: infinite hitpoints, as a property of the environment not of the idiots.

20:42:31 mircea_popescu: seems intuitively correct.

20:46:16 Naphex: omg, this scammer even contacted acount owner

20:46:26 Naphex: to try to get him to approve withdrawal

20:46:32 Naphex: telling him he works for Btcxchange

20:48:09 BingoBoingo: http://arstechnica.com/science/2014/06/open-defecation-solves-the-child-mortality-puzzle-among-indian-muslims/

20:48:10 assbot: Open defecation solves the child mortality puzzle among Indian Muslims | Ars Technica

20:51:00 princessnell: !up Daniel_Krawisz

20:51:07 Daniel_Krawisz: Hello.

20:51:16 Daniel_Krawisz: I heard someone was asking about me.

20:51:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0716 = 0.358 BTC [-]

20:51:46 princessnell: fluffypony & mircea_popescu here's your man

20:53:15 Daniel_Krawisz: Do we do any role playing in here?

20:54:01 Naphex: lol russian hacker even subscribed customer youtube account to https://www.youtube.com/user/CrazyRussianHacker

20:54:02 assbot: CrazyRussianHacker - YouTube

20:54:04 Naphex: wtf :o

20:54:46 fluffypony: Daniel_Krawisz!

20:54:49 fluffypony: welcome

20:55:13 fluffypony: if your article on appcoins was an Instagram pic I would heart it or something

20:55:34 Daniel_Krawisz: Thanks!

20:55:57 Daniel_Krawisz: Are you a fan of My Little Pony?

20:56:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.02052 = 0.1642 BTC [-]

20:57:35 BingoBoingo: Daniel_Krawisz: He's the resident deviant

20:58:45 mircea_popescu: Daniel_Krawisz, o, you the guy with the quote ?

20:58:51 mircea_popescu: !up p10tr

20:59:47 Daniel_Krawisz: I was the person quoted in the Forbes.com article on MaidSafeCoin if that's the quote you meant.

21:00:42 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2014#700661

21:00:42 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

21:00:46 mircea_popescu: seems so yeah. welcome

21:01:09 mircea_popescu: ;;google the psychology of the bagholder

21:01:10 gribble: The psychology of the bagholder pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea ...: http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-psychology-of-the-bagholder/; Martie 2014 pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/2014/03; Current Market Psychology... : BitcoinMarkets - Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/1t25uo/current_market_psychology/

21:01:14 mircea_popescu: pretty much the same concept.

21:01:43 Daniel_Krawisz: Thanks, I loved your thingy about the critical theory doctorates who had to clean the bus with their tits. It reminded me of Rabelais.

21:02:36 mircea_popescu: ha! well im flattered.

21:02:51 mircea_popescu: of all the people one can remind of...

21:03:08 fluffypony: Daniel_Krawisz: I'm not a MLP fan at all, I just got given this nick years and years ago and it stuck

21:03:49 Daniel_Krawisz: If I see text in red, does that mean only I can see it?

21:03:59 mircea_popescu: no it means you were named in it

21:04:12 Daniel_Krawisz: Oh ok.

21:04:44 mircea_popescu: most clients can be configured to also ding when that happens

21:04:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.02052 = 0.1026 BTC [-]

21:05:06 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot Daniel_Krawisz

21:05:07 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Daniel_Krawisz: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Daniel_Krawisz | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Daniel_Krawisz | Rated since: never

21:05:26 mircea_popescu: ;;rate Daniel_Krawisz 1 I remind him of Gargantua.

21:05:26 gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.

21:05:30 mircea_popescu: tsk.

21:05:37 mircea_popescu: gotta make one of those, then you can auto voice yourself.

21:06:13 Daniel_Krawisz: How do I get in the GPG database?

21:07:06 BingoBoingo: ;;google bitcoin-otc wiki registration guide

21:07:06 gribble: Using bitcoin-otc - bitcoin-otc wiki: http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/Using_bitcoin-otc; Beginners Guide - bitcoin-otc wiki: http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/Beginners_Guide; GPG authentication - bitcoin-otc wiki: http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/GPG_authentication

21:08:01 Daniel_Krawisz: Ok, thanks.

21:11:49 mircea_popescu: Daniel_Krawisz, also, the entire length of endless discussion to date is to be found in

21:11:51 mircea_popescu: ;;topic

21:11:51 gribble: http://bitcoin-assets.com || http://log.bitcoin-assets.com || http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com || http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com

21:11:55 mircea_popescu: the log one.

21:13:08 BingoBoingo: http://buyafarm.com/IL/Auction_Monroe14_1492A/Webpage_Auction_Monroe14_1492A.htm

21:13:08 assbot:                   Illinois Land For Sale Farmland Cropland Hunting

21:13:08 Daniel_Krawisz: Oh ok.


21:13:33 fluffypony: nike missiles???

21:14:17 BingoBoingo: fluffypony: It was a 1950's and 60's concept where incoming bombers would be brought down by short range nuclear missiles

21:14:45 fluffypony: ah, got excited about Nike's diversification program there for a moment

21:15:27 BingoBoingo: "The 14-acre site includes 3 underground concrete bunkers, each approximately 68? x 76? and 18? deep with 10?10?+- ceiling clearance. The 3 bunkers have 9?6? x 53'8? elevator pads which are operational."

21:16:20 BingoBoingo: Bunker: http://buyafarm.com/IL/Auction_Monroe14_1492A/DSC02476-w800-h600.jpg

21:17:04 BingoBoingo: Moar Bunker, with elevator loaded http://buyafarm.com/IL/Auction_Monroe14_1492A/IMG_3631-w800-h600.jpg

21:17:18 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, entirely worthless in the us tho.

21:17:28 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Sadly so.

21:18:35 BingoBoingo: !up paxtoncamaro91

21:18:57 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Still, would be a nice "workshop" setup if the location was better

21:21:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.19300043 BTC [-]

21:21:12 BingoBoingo: Large underground workspace with elevator apparatus capable of lifing vehicles, the industrial uses are endless

21:21:29 mircea_popescu: in an actual country.

21:21:41 mircea_popescu: in the us, the uses are inexistent.

21:22:41 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It isn't that there is benefit derived from it. It is that when we can beat the Coindesks to the aggregators, it injures them in ways only they can rationalize. << wow that's an unexpected point.

21:23:37 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened. << pretty much. a dangerous gambit, of course, as the world also goes about its business scarcely taking notice of their efforts.

21:23:40 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Also to the CoinDesks, it is the only one.

21:25:48 mircea_popescu: nubbins`: BingoBoingo: i actually had wondered why $15k plus damages -- didn't realize until you pointed out that they didn't touch s.dice << yeah, funny how that worked huh.

21:27:07 mircea_popescu: nubbins`: mp tells the sec to get stuffed, they shrug and then do exactly that << what did you expect'd happen ? a bureaucrat is perhaps the finest detector of who has the bigger stick in existence.

21:28:19 fluffypony: this made me cry with laughter - http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/27apui/why_i_will_store_on_coinbase/

21:28:55 fluffypony: "I know most of you scoff at the idea of storing BTC on Coinbase, but I am not nearly as technologically inclined as most of you. Each storage suggestion I read looks to me like this:

21:28:55 fluffypony: 1. Download armory and Electrum and run armory from an offline underground bunker.

21:28:56 fluffypony: 2. double encrypt using Eorepadaeuium with 4 USB drives running Linux UEc.3f3.c2q1

21:28:56 fluffypony: 3. backup with Efekjwsf and wefkjlfe + qt and create a public key, private key, and semi-private key.

21:28:56 fluffypony: 4. print private key and public key, but not semi-private key. Laminate printed copies and store in a vault along with 3 of the 4 USB drives. But be sure not to run EFkjlwef foeropwerk.

21:28:57 fluffypony: 5. Use a submarine to bury the vault in the ocean.

21:28:58 fluffypony: 6. A hacker who is %1000 times smarter than you is watching your every move and will steal all your bitcoin if you slip up.

21:28:59 fluffypony: More near computer illiterate people like be are going to be buying BTC, and Coinbase seems like the safer and simpler option."

21:29:08 mircea_popescu: these argentines are a muy festive people.

21:29:44 mircea_popescu: fluffypony, i guess you just explained xapo's vp for asciilifeform too.

21:29:44 Naphex: probably needed

21:29:48 Naphex: to keep up morale

21:30:18 mircea_popescu: Naphex, either that or just incredibly lazy.

21:30:34 mircea_popescu: anyway, there's a mega band thing with drums and butt shakings marching down the street

21:30:38 mircea_popescu: as every other fucking day

21:30:45 mircea_popescu: you'd think you're in france with much better women.

21:32:11 Naphex: so what language are you speaking over there though?

21:32:42 Naphex: locals know english?

21:32:57 Naphex: https://i.imgur.com/BGN3YOD.gif

21:32:59 mircea_popescu: im fluent in spanish

21:34:08 mircea_popescu: lol great gif

21:35:12 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-06-2014#701006 <<< ahahaha the great spammor.

21:35:13 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

21:35:17 mircea_popescu: o such lulz that wikipedia is.

21:35:21 assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 109 @ 0.00208906 = 0.2277 BTC [+]

21:37:18 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You also have to understand. Of the relatively early Bitcoiners MP is practically a saint. << i thought i had a bad reputation.

21:38:04 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: We're going off of actual actions and not Jimmothy and CiuCiu retellings

21:38:24 mircea_popescu: whoa ciuciu

21:38:35 mircea_popescu: i wonder under what name he's back

21:39:17 BingoBoingo: That's the fifty cent question

21:39:24 mircea_popescu: i also wonder how long before i'll be the oldest guy in bitcoin, between people pulling the satoshi melt-in-mists trick on one hand and the 5years up to your room erik trick

21:40:13 mircea_popescu: Vexual:

21:40:13 mircea_popescu: usagi hotwallet method:to a hot array of failing hard disks is added a bitcoin wallet, and all backups. Hotter coffee is added splashwise until the hot wallet becomes cold. << ahahaha SPLASHWISE!

21:40:16 mircea_popescu: that's gotta be a word now.

21:40:41 Naphex: depends on bitcoins growth

21:40:45 Naphex: really

21:41:26 Naphex: the question is, how long before you stop recognizing everyone

21:41:30 Naphex: and its just a sea of scams

21:41:34 Naphex: and scammers

21:41:36 Naphex: going in and out

21:41:39 Naphex: daily

21:42:36 mircea_popescu: that can't happen, i have a whole department working on it.

21:43:03 mircea_popescu: nao if only the sec would be making more definite steps towards halping

21:43:41 Naphex: :))

21:43:47 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell Phinnaeus: I'm curious as to when Micrea had that pic taken where he's in front of the pyramid on a horse. << 2003 iirc.

21:43:48 gribble: The operation succeeded.

21:44:12 BingoBoingo: I thought settling with Erik over GLBSE shennanigans was helping, they have quite the backlog of stuff to catch up on... Gigavps, Thermos, et al..

21:45:19 mircea_popescu: mike_c: asciilifeform: do you know if this is true? "EC-based keys are just as secure as RSA keypairs" << nobody fucking knpows if this is true, this is the mn dollar question in practical cryptography.

21:45:49 mike_c: c'mon, you know ascii knows and just won't tell

21:45:52 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, im not one to give last night's calves black eyes, but.... as you say, loing backlog.

21:47:00 BingoBoingo: I imagine a cycle stabilizing where MP shames securities scammer, SEC scoops them up months later.

21:47:22 BingoBoingo: Then in about 10 years the "community" notices this is a thing

21:47:36 Naphex: so why not turn that depratment and review into a service

21:47:39 Naphex: and do a bitsec

21:48:04 Naphex: after 1 year sell seals :))

21:48:16 Apocalyptic: "nobody fucking knpows if this is true, this is the mn dollar question in practical cryptography." wait

21:48:16 Naphex: mpsec approved

21:48:50 Apocalyptic: is this the question "is the discrete logarithm problem as hard as the factorization problem" ?

21:49:54 Apocalyptic: cause if so it has been proved afaik

21:50:02 mircea_popescu: not exactly

21:50:32 mircea_popescu: Naphex, i don't really perceive the benefit.

21:50:48 Naphex: same thing only condensed

21:51:03 Naphex: maybe as an experiment, who knows the benefit

21:51:20 mircea_popescu: the problem with commodization is that it destroys quality.

21:51:25 Naphex: picking out the good from the bad should be a skill everyone has, but that ain't gonna happen

21:51:30 mike_c: Apocalyptic: there are also considerations around which curve you use. i believe certain curves are known to be weak.

21:51:31 Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, how so ?

21:51:42 mircea_popescu: in general the fewer customers you have the better your product can be

21:51:43 Naphex: well you compress it, and let people act based on a rating

21:51:50 Naphex: they can optimize but have errors

21:51:58 Apocalyptic: mike_c, indeed, i'm talking in curves over GF(p), with p prime

21:52:07 Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, Eric Bach wrote a paper about this

21:52:24 Apocalyptic: Bach proves: 1) If you can compute log. modulo $N$, you can factor $N$ 2) If you can factor $N$ and compute logs modulo each factor, then you can compute logs. modulo $N$

21:52:29 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic, the question is more subtle than that. perhaps a better rendering would be "which of rsa, ec is more likely to have tiny pores we don't kjnow about"

21:52:35 mircea_popescu: such as a particularly easy to attack space etc.

21:52:45 Apocalyptic: but that's a different question

21:52:51 mircea_popescu: none of these considerations are wide berth issues such as bach's.

21:53:11 mircea_popescu: not that the result is unimportant, obv.

21:59:49 Naphex: mike_c: btcalpha is very good, great work.

21:59:53 Naphex: enjoying the read

21:59:56 mike_c: thanks!

22:00:25 mircea_popescu: yeah guy is making some serious inroads in post-btc journalism

22:00:32 mircea_popescu: !up decima`

22:03:22 BingoBoingo: http://www.vocativ.com/underworld/crime/theyre-trying-teen-adult-size-genitals/

22:03:23 assbot: Boy Sentenced To Jail Because of Large Penis

22:03:56 mircea_popescu: yay

22:04:03 Apocalyptic: <Naphex> mike_c: btcalpha is very good, great work. // I concur

22:04:24 diametric: it boggles my mind xapo uses a 4 digit password.

22:04:43 diametric: it at least has 2FA for withdraw related activities

22:04:55 Apocalyptic: mircea, I see, my interpretation of "EC-based keys are just as secure as RSA keypairs" was different

22:05:20 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic, "in the general case" versus "in any practical case"

22:05:41 Apocalyptic: indeed

22:06:36 fluffypony: diametric: lolwut

22:06:49 fluffypony: "secure"

22:06:58 diametric: fluffypony: yeah. xapo authentication is your email + 4 digit "pin"

22:07:08 diametric: its 2014 ffs.

22:07:11 fluffypony: that seems needlessly retarded

22:08:12 mircea_popescu: 2014 sounds like a great pin

22:08:36 diametric: the best of pins.

22:08:51 diametric: 1234. 0000. 8008 is a classic as well.

22:09:00 mircea_popescu: ;;google "you'll feel those needles and pins"

22:09:20 diametric: i wonder if they implement captcha or ip banning on multiple failed attempts

22:09:28 diametric: or can i bruteforce this with a python script.

22:09:31 mircea_popescu: easy enough to test

22:09:34 diametric: yep

22:11:40 mircea_popescu: nubbins`: pins & needles now << you are pushing your sacral vertebra into your pudendal nerve

22:11:46 Naphex: Apocalyptic: but isn't ECDH safe from shor's attack?

22:11:47 Naphex: from lets say quantum computers

22:11:47 Naphex: thats why you do ECDH to factorize instead of just EC

22:11:47 Apocalyptic: ECDH isn't of big interest for bitcoin

22:11:48 Naphex: must've missed th epoint

22:11:49 Apocalyptic: ECDH is just a protocol for key exchange

22:11:49 punkman: ECDSA is what btc uses, ECDH is another thing

22:11:49 Apocalyptic: ECDSA is what bitcoin relies on

22:11:49 punkman: oh there ;)

22:11:49 Naphex: yeah sorry vertical reading sometimes fails

22:11:50 gribble: CHER LYRICS - Needles And Pins - A-Z Lyrics: http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/cher/needlesandpins.html; SMOKIE LYRICS - Needles And Pins - A-Z Lyrics: http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/smokie/needlesandpins.html; Cher - Needles & Pins Lyrics | MetroLyrics: http://www.metrolyrics.com/needles-pins-lyrics-cher.html

22:12:20 mircea_popescu: great way to become functionally identical to any woman.

22:14:46 Naphex: http://bitcoinmagazine.com/6021/bitcoin-is-not-quantum-safe-and-how-we-can-fix/ <-

22:14:46 assbot: Bitcoin Is Not Quantum-Safe, And How We Can Fix It When Needed Bitcoin Magazine

22:14:52 Naphex: off to sleep gn o/

22:15:09 mircea_popescu: moiety: this stupid slenderman crap is going to be made into some crap film at some point, wont it << if the us weren't out of money, it would habve been.

22:15:23 mircea_popescu: fortunately bollywood couldn't care less about western nonsense

22:15:25 mircea_popescu: they got their own

22:15:36 punkman: slenderman series: https://www.youtube.com/user/MarbleHornets

22:15:36 assbot: MarbleHornets - YouTube

22:16:06 mike_c: but how do we fix bitcoin when the aliens come?

22:16:43 mircea_popescu: bitcoin does not practice safe sex and how to fix this pressing problem

22:17:03 mircea_popescu: it's also racist, privilegionist and anti-environmentalist.

22:17:07 mircea_popescu: how to fix these too.

22:17:26 mike_c: i think there's a t-shirt with the answer

22:17:49 mircea_popescu: bitcoin is not pouring me another drink

22:17:53 mircea_popescu: how t ofix this problem.

22:17:56 mike_c: call moiety

22:18:13 punkman: bitcoin whiskey atm

22:18:19 mircea_popescu: how slender would she have to be to pour me drinks from under scotland's green pine tree

22:19:10 fluffypony: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/27bha5/i_did_a_worlds_first_hopefully/

22:19:10 assbot: I did a world's first! ...hopefully :) : Bitcoin

22:19:39 mircea_popescu: did he get laid ?

22:19:51 punkman: yeah for 0.2btc

22:20:02 mircea_popescu: jesus christ i nailed him.

22:20:06 mircea_popescu: how fucking hard was that.

22:20:08 punkman: that's a cheap hooker for amsterdam

22:20:12 mike_c: whoa, that could actually be a first

22:20:30 mike_c: including the part where he lost his virginity

22:20:36 mircea_popescu: "What took more time, the sex or the transaction?"

22:20:41 mircea_popescu: gotta love sa, they know their shit

22:21:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.1930326 = 0.7721 BTC [+] {2}

22:24:03 dub: 'i don't know how I can prove I was a virgin' - posting on reddit, uh

22:24:08 fluffypony: lol

22:27:08 davout: paying for sex with bitcoin is ok as long as you're not done before the transaction has confirmed

22:27:45 punkman: ;;tblb 3600

22:27:46 gribble: The expected time between blocks taking 1 hour and 0 seconds to generate is 1 week, 6 days, 21 hours, 13 minutes, and 54 seconds

22:28:01 dub: next, the first double spent virginity?

22:28:36 davout: the average human is the exact opposite of bitcoin

22:28:51 davout: has to wait at least 20 minutes before he can double spend

22:29:10 davout: i'll find my way to the door

22:30:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.02513 = 0.1759 BTC [+]

22:30:40 dub: heh

22:33:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0213799 = 0.1069 BTC [+]

22:33:20 dub: 20 minutes is litecoin territory, theres at least 8 hours sleep between my blocks

22:37:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.072 = 0.36 BTC [+]

22:40:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32190 @ 0.00086016 = 27.6886 BTC [+] {3}

22:42:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.02513 = 0.2513 BTC [+]

22:53:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 11 @ 0.0245 = 0.2695 BTC [-] {3}

22:58:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 49 @ 0.0038 = 0.1862 BTC [-]

23:01:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0213799 = 0.1069 BTC [+]

23:24:05 punkman: https://bitbook.ie/ is this new?

23:24:05 assbot: bitbook.ie | No-Fee Parimutuel Bitcoin Sports Betting

23:29:15 mike_c: css isn't as good as bitbet

23:29:28 punkman: https://bitbook.ie/make_bets/abf97e24-ded0-42bb-832d-669e275cfdc8#4498ba71-a61c-436b-be67-b3da4715069e this page is just awkward

23:29:32 assbot: bitbook.ie | No-Fee Parimutuel Bitcoin Sports Betting

23:30:07 davout: no fee = big red flag

23:30:26 punkman: davout, "It's too early to monetize, but when we do, it will probably be through ads or affiliate programs."

23:30:46 mike_c: uh

23:31:06 mike_c: oh, they mean they will be the affiliate for other people

23:31:12 davout: o so because affiliates

23:31:12 mike_c: in other words, ads.

23:31:29 davout: next

23:31:45 punkman: yeah because when you got a working gambling operation, you want to send people to other places

23:32:00 mike_c: maybe they would do well as a bitbet affiliate

23:39:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 119 @ 0.00189152 = 0.2251 BTC [+] {4}

23:43:12 punkman: why is it that bitbet only does binary propositions?

23:43:34 punkman: tried the logs for previous discussion but couldn't locate

23:46:52 mike_c: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-11-2013#396301

23:46:52 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

23:51:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00007202 = 0.144 BTC [-] {2}

23:53:44 punkman: so this bitbook guy is generating propositions automatically, and for some reason prefers to make N binary pools

23:53:53 punkman: seems retarded

23:54:14 mike_c: i wouldn't kill too many brain cells trying to figure it out.

23:55:21 punkman: how the fuck do you do parimutuel spread bets?

23:56:04 mike_c: same way.. just should be close to 50/50

23:56:57 mircea_popescu: <punkman> https://bitbook.ie/ is this new? << prolly npot.

23:56:57 assbot: bitbook.ie | No-Fee Parimutuel Bitcoin Sports Betting

23:57:36 mircea_popescu: <mike_c> maybe they would do well as a bitbet affiliate << worth a shot.

23:59:36 punkman: mircea_popescu: so what's the mindfuck with multi bets? I feel more mindfucked by trying to find N related bets