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00:08:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00054164 = 4.0623 BTC [-]

00:12:21 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1222933 << what do you want, names and fb pics ?

00:12:21 assbot: Logged on 03-08-2015 02:08:02; asciilifeform: what layer.

00:14:16 shinohai: wb mircea_popescu, when you have time I need a eulora pass

00:14:26 mircea_popescu: alrighjty, one second

00:15:00 shinohai: kk

00:20:48 scoopbot_revived: Prophylaxis http://fraudsters.com/2015/prophylaxis/

00:21:56 mircea_popescu: shinohai http://dpaste.com/0R58Y1F

00:21:58 assbot: dpaste: 0R58Y1F ... ( http://bit.ly/1N5OSbH )

00:22:06 mircea_popescu: ima be in the game in half hour give you some noob items to get started.

00:22:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00053745 = 6.2344 BTC [-] {2}

00:22:33 shinohai: sweet thx

00:23:21 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1222990 << dawg what are you talkin about ?! THAT is the reason.

00:23:21 assbot: Logged on 03-08-2015 08:39:38; jurov: only so that their balance sheet look right

00:23:34 mircea_popescu: it is the only conceivable reason and absolutely utterly sufficient.

00:24:24 mircea_popescu: if the natl bank balance sheet doesn't look right, everyone can go bite a steel girder.

00:24:33 mircea_popescu: and chew on it, happily, until such a time the balance sheet looks right.

00:27:02 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223002 << the scam bitcoin the power rangers are pushing is known-broken, in that it can't actually verify the bitcoin blockchain.

00:27:02 assbot: Logged on 03-08-2015 09:02:58; cazalla: anyone know what is going on here? http://dpaste.com/2HMWH8Z.txt i get stuck at block 367896, tried copying over to another pc and same deal, hits block 367896 and shits itself and spews please update messages (which i even tried over the weekend for shits and giggles with their 0.11 bitcoin core client but it crashes with core dumps or some shit, can't even go from genesis to current block on a fresh insta

00:27:37 mircea_popescu: why exactly your thing is stuck is unclear. you can either build stator and use the same blk stuff, which will work ; or else wipe them and start over from one of the foundation nodes, which will also work.

00:28:01 mircea_popescu: the latter is guaranteed to take a while. the former may take even longer depending on how familiar you are with mashing computers into shape.

00:29:55 mircea_popescu: "In November, thieves stole $1 billion from Moldova?s three biggest banks through a series of fraudulent loans and transfers. Moldova, sandwiched between Romania and Ukraine, is the poorest country in Europe; the theft amounted to more than an eighth of GDP. It has set in train a series of events that will leave the government unable to pay salaries by the end of the summer, according to the recently departed finance

00:29:55 mircea_popescu: minister."

00:29:56 mircea_popescu: bwahahaha

00:30:17 mircea_popescu: "thieves". the moldovan equivalents of the ukrainian oligarchs just ran off with the loot.

00:30:25 mircea_popescu: rather than risk it.

00:30:28 shinohai: Hmmm. i think I have incorrect video drivers, but pass works, thanks

00:32:36 mircea_popescu: what'sthe symptoms ?

00:34:08 shinohai: ./eu.sh: line 3: 12524 Segmentation fault ./euclient

00:34:14 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223048 << word.

00:34:14 assbot: Logged on 03-08-2015 09:53:03; BingoBoingo: Well MS is probably going the Google/Android route. Less revenue from selling to users and more from selling the users.

00:34:19 mircea_popescu: shinohai ah, just try again

00:34:27 shinohai: kk

00:34:36 mircea_popescu: the client's pretty shitty, it has at least two race conditions in it that yield that .

00:35:43 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223061 << i kinda have grown to like the self-absorbed srs this type of schmucks radiate every time they get fucked.

00:35:43 assbot: Logged on 03-08-2015 10:41:17; punkman: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/07/31/incident_managers_pagerduty_pwned/

00:35:54 mircea_popescu: "oh we r rly srs security bidniss".

00:36:04 mircea_popescu: reminds me of "Bitcoin Security Group" lolz.

00:37:56 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223127 << most for inertia, some for lolz.

00:37:56 assbot: Logged on 03-08-2015 14:06:53; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223002 << at this point i gotta ask, why are any of you still using the phoundation turd for anything

00:38:03 *: williamdunne would be interested in seeing Eurola corporations, with EEX to go with it

00:38:40 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223129 << that didn't really happen and also some researchers published their research about it first but it wasn't published nor was it correct etc.

00:38:40 assbot: Logged on 03-08-2015 14:09:25; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223046 << if 'nsakey' didn't make folks quit Running Moar Winblowz, why would the win10 keylogger ?

00:38:51 mircea_popescu: williamdunne prolly gonna happen

00:40:09 williamdunne: At what point does it stop being considered a game for legal reasons?

00:40:18 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223140 << but it is.

00:40:18 assbot: Logged on 03-08-2015 14:15:41; kakobrekla: intellectual class. < how is this not the bezzle

00:40:31 mircea_popescu: williamdunne i eat the world, the world doesn't eat me.

00:40:39 mircea_popescu: "legal reasons" stop being considered anything but a game.

00:42:33 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223149 << for the record, mp's node found a new suspicious block at 365009, will be sitting there a bit.

00:42:33 assbot: Logged on 03-08-2015 14:19:14; shinohai: got 'em, and yeah i have only been syncing against mp's node

00:42:57 williamdunne: Wasn't insinuating that legal issues would ever be an issue for Eurola. It's more that it'd be interesting to see how a regulatory body would handle an in-game stock exchange that trades companies that perform actual economic activity

00:43:49 mircea_popescu: more interesting is how the in-game world would handle the "regulatory body", imo

00:43:57 mircea_popescu: i really don't give a shit for the other side of the coin

00:44:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7781 @ 0.00053328 = 4.1495 BTC [+] {3}

00:44:40 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223175 << and he's among the better ones. a dollar a day is really above the work value of most people.

00:44:40 assbot: Logged on 03-08-2015 15:18:53; punkman: "I'm also on fiverr.com now, a site where you can offer any service for $5 a pop. I offer things like mini websites, setting up cloud servers, and many other tech jobs. The reality is my expertise is barely even worth $5 in today's market, so I frequently take on multi-hour horror projects on fiverr just to make four bucks (they take $1 commission)"

00:45:31 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223188 << he's the us putin. his fault when any public employee fucks up anything.

00:45:31 assbot: Logged on 03-08-2015 16:01:15; jurov: what has obama to do with it?

00:47:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5950 @ 0.00054806 = 3.261 BTC [+]

00:48:48 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223204 << this is not actually true. i have had slavegirls make a living off those things, as a learning exercise. disciplined work ethic earns a very decent living, and forever will. the problem is that for most white adolescents/young adults, that work ethic has to be supported with daily beatings for the first quarter at least.

00:48:48 assbot: Logged on 03-08-2015 16:57:18; ascii_field: 'As a final station, I'd like to describe what online freelancer markets look like for people like me. On freelancer.com and oDesk, you compete with hundreds of lowest-wage programmers from third world countries for exceedingly crappy "projects". It's an unmitigated race to the bottom. Even if I could land these jobs in an environment where the competition basically works for free, there is no way to ma

00:48:52 mircea_popescu: so, no.

00:49:06 mircea_popescu: he's just being a passive-agressive, self-entitled, delusional western schmuck.

00:49:35 mircea_popescu: let him sign up for myfreecams and do anal until there's blood on the fucking dildos.

00:49:54 mircea_popescu: then he gets the question again, see if the answer's changed any.

00:50:31 mircea_popescu: and no, i wouldn't buy him the sandpaper to grind down his glans penis with.

00:50:37 mircea_popescu: let him fucking beg for it.

00:51:27 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223213 << iirc you got a bitcoin for running the windows compiler, and didn't even get pushed to do the os/x or die. my memory betrayin' me or something ?

00:51:27 assbot: Logged on 03-08-2015 17:00:46; jurov: i will be paid *if* i someday make sense of eulora spaghetti client

00:54:17 danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-08-2015#1223440 << stuff in Eulora *is* actual economic activity

00:54:17 assbot: Logged on 04-08-2015 00:42:57; williamdunne: Wasn't insinuating that legal issues would ever be an issue for Eurola. It's more that it'd be interesting to see how a regulatory body would handle an in-game stock exchange that trades companies that perform actual economic activity

00:54:45 williamdunne: danielpbarron: m'point

00:54:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00051944 = 6.7008 BTC [-] {2}

01:06:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00051944 = 7.3241 BTC [-] {2}

01:08:38 BingoBoingo: Can't tell if real or fake https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3fottn/cointelegraphcom_is_shutting_down_cutting_all/

01:08:40 assbot: CoinTelegraph.com is shutting down, cutting all non-writer salary to zero.... : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1SENu6Y )

01:31:24 danielpbarron: lol i met one of their authors

01:31:30 danielpbarron: at porcfest

01:31:36 danielpbarron: told her she should write for qntra instead

01:32:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00054805 = 6.7958 BTC [+] {2}

01:32:50 BingoBoingo: And her reaction?

01:34:36 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo well... hm.

01:34:40 mircea_popescu: they were paying salaries ?!

01:36:05 mircea_popescu: July?s advertising revenue was 3,700 USD, therefore the budget allocated for content for August will be 3,700 USD.

01:36:13 mircea_popescu: bnwbahahahaa wut

01:36:19 BingoBoingo: Since scoopy seems to be dragging ass http://qntra.net/2015/08/os-x-flaw-in-the-wild-abuses-error-logging-function-to-edit-sudoers/

01:36:20 assbot: OS X Flaw in the Wild Abuses Error Logging Function to Edit sudoers | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1SET9Kh )

01:36:28 mircea_popescu: isthis from something-ads paying 0.01 btc sort-of ?

01:36:55 BingoBoingo: It's probably fiat from fiat scammers wanting "exposure" at any price

01:37:06 danielpbarron: BingoBoingo, she was polite but not enthusiastic about the proposal

01:37:14 BingoBoingo: Eh, her loss

01:37:30 mircea_popescu: "In spit of these events, we hope that CT will be able to continue pursuing its strategic of increasing it?s market share and become the one-stop news source for the crypto-community. We wish you to remain strong in spirit and for a quick market recovery." << i suppose the tie-in is something like "small blocks made our shit blog ad revenue shrink in an imaginary market that doesn't exist but we hallucinated into bei

01:37:30 mircea_popescu: ng anyweay"

01:38:01 mircea_popescu: it'd be great if they pursued their "strategic" of learning how to sp'eal i'ts wordses an sheit

01:43:46 BingoBoingo: !up scthoopbot

01:44:17 decimation: lol 3700 usd budget

01:44:24 decimation: do they have more than one employee?

01:45:08 decimation: 'we r poor folks about bitcoin!'

01:46:32 decimation: imagine actual people in Victorian Britain asking the assistant scullery maid what she thought about finance

01:47:38 williamdunne: thanks boingo, dw though doesn't need voice for now. Just the beginning stages

01:48:34 BingoBoingo: Ah, cool

01:49:18 decimation: http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2011/11/07/the-rising-age-gap-in-economic-well-being/ < speaking of which

01:49:19 assbot: The Rising Age Gap in Economic Well-Being | Pew Research Center ... ( http://bit.ly/1SEW5qb )

01:58:10 decimation: "In 2009, households headed by adults ages 65 and older possessed 42% more median1 net worth (assets minus debt) than households headed by their same-aged counterparts had in 1984. During this same period, the wealth of households headed by younger adults moved in the opposite direction. In 2009, households headed by adults younger than 35 had 68% less wealth than households of their same-aged counterparts had in 1984."

01:58:53 decimation: you know, people say that bitcoin is a ponzi scheme, but really USD is the world's largest ponzi scheme - and keeps growing

02:00:54 mircea_popescu: schtooopbot hahaha

02:01:21 mircea_popescu: so i hear it from a trustworthy source in sweden that the local libertards have come up woith this idea to replace whatever word is used for cunt with "snipa" which apparently means sparkle

02:01:34 mircea_popescu: there's the usual assortment of imbeciles trumpeting their incredible success whatever, uninteresting.

02:01:44 decimation: because 'cunt' offends womyn?

02:01:44 mircea_popescu: what IS interesting is that apparently the legendary snipe was found

02:01:47 mircea_popescu: in sweden.

02:02:25 mircea_popescu: decimation probably it's like rape or who knows. causes global warmyng.

02:02:41 decimation: actually it's because the womyn in question don't have cunts

02:03:07 mircea_popescu: sexperience begs to differ.

02:03:41 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223244 << incidentally, this probably pays better than odesk.

02:03:41 assbot: Logged on 03-08-2015 17:12:42; danielpbarron: or gathering flotsam for me

02:05:21 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223264 << there is a thread in the logs consisting of me essentially saying that if you can't fake stupiud you're not smart.

02:05:21 assbot: Logged on 03-08-2015 17:24:58; trinque: ascii_field: I don't expect for a moment that you could possibly fake "stupid"

02:06:14 mircea_popescu: decimation that quote says to me "kids of today r tarded"

02:06:22 mircea_popescu: unsurprising data is unsurprising. they are.

02:07:13 decimation: yeah, kinda. it goes to your point earlier with ascii - doing financial analysis the main business of the us is printing usd

02:07:37 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223269 << no, there's some substance to their wails. you're thinking the very open and socially mobile eastern europe. they live in the solidified shitbrains puritan us

02:07:37 assbot: Logged on 03-08-2015 17:25:48; jurov: lol such fantasies

02:08:03 mircea_popescu: decimation this doesn't explain why the old farts are getting most of the fake bills.

02:08:21 mircea_popescu: (they aren't, they're just much better at not giving away their value for them)

02:09:10 decimation: true, but they also get direct payments through taxes, and indirect payments through money printing pumping up real estate assets

02:09:11 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223277 << this is a major problem. for argentines too. they can't get anywhere because all the people they know are just as fucktarded as them.

02:09:11 assbot: Logged on 03-08-2015 17:28:45; punkman: trinque: consider the case where your meat-wot is "businessmen" in Luxor

02:09:17 mircea_popescu: increasingly, becoming a problem i nthe us, too.

02:09:36 mircea_popescu: decimation and medical bills.

02:09:41 BingoBoingo: It is beyond a problem here

02:09:49 mircea_popescu: young people can fuck, don't need to eat and don't get sick.

02:09:54 mircea_popescu: hard to overcome these structurally.

02:10:22 decimation: yeah, but old folks can ensure they get their pound of flesh

02:11:00 mircea_popescu: decimation consider the problem properly. remember me unkindly observing about kim kardashian that http://fraudsters.com/2014/holy-shit-technical-analysis-is-real/#selection-85.0-89.63 ?

02:11:01 assbot: Holy shit! Technical Analysis is real! on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1SF1uNW )

02:11:28 mircea_popescu: explain this to me. how is it possible that 99 out of 100 richeest households in the us aren'ty headed by a 35 yo female, ex whore ?

02:11:42 decimation: your selection thing doesn't work on my browser

02:11:48 mircea_popescu: obviously, 1% richest would be the strato-rich, sure, ok.

02:11:56 mircea_popescu: but the remainder, ALL the upper middle class, should be kims.

02:12:01 mircea_popescu: the only ones with something still to sell.

02:12:07 mircea_popescu: why aren't they ? why some pruny old dude ?

02:12:25 asciilifeform: if there were even 100x as many 'kims', the product they sell would be worth $0. like the poor programmer

02:12:26 mircea_popescu: You may think that point-whatever billion is hardly worth the mention, after all I'm white and male and go with the tech stuffs, rather than almost-not-black and female, going with the cocksucking-and-other-homemaking-stuff. You know, cheap textile "labels", perfumes, the Martha Stewart lot. Like this chick :

02:12:27 mircea_popescu: So it's all right and pooper that I'd be dealing in the tens of billions while her net worth is in the tens of millions, roughly enough to buy a whole closet where she lives. Right ?

02:12:32 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not so.

02:12:43 mircea_popescu: a brothel does not lower the per-capita value of the individual whores.

02:12:45 asciilifeform: even now, who the fuck ~pays~ to see naked gurlz

02:12:48 mircea_popescu: but ehances it.

02:12:58 mircea_popescu: that's not what this is.

02:13:16 mircea_popescu: i said "Something to sell", i didn't say nudity. that's free.

02:13:23 asciilifeform: then what ?

02:13:27 mircea_popescu: you being seen with them.

02:13:31 mircea_popescu: social proof.

02:13:34 asciilifeform: why would i pay for that

02:13:42 asciilifeform: or are they all to move to egypt

02:13:42 mircea_popescu: because you understand how things work.

02:13:51 decimation: plenty of 'homemakers' are poor in the us

02:14:19 mircea_popescu: decimation not the question. the question is why is anyone else on the "just about rich" lists outside of these women.

02:14:30 mircea_popescu: why are atheltes poor if the stench of cunt bothers you, same argument.

02:14:34 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-08-2015#1223453 << who, precisely, will pay to see ~this~? mircea_popescu ?

02:14:34 assbot: Logged on 04-08-2015 00:49:35; mircea_popescu: let him sign up for myfreecams and do anal until there's blood on the fucking dildos.

02:14:45 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform iirc i have, sort-of.

02:15:51 asciilifeform: now, not swinging that way, i cannot say for certain how saturated the gay pr0n market is, but will observe that they lack the sexual starvation of the straight

02:16:21 asciilifeform: so my naive guess would be that it is an even tougher sell

02:16:31 asciilifeform: in terms of 'make a living'

02:16:39 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223293 << the exact sort of thing that prompted my earlier "everyone is retarded" stuff.

02:16:39 assbot: Logged on 03-08-2015 17:32:52; mike_c: um, no?

02:17:03 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you've reconstructed the discussion into a strawman and are getting the results you expected from it.

02:17:48 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=21-02-2015#1026639 < that.

02:17:48 assbot: Logged on 21-02-2015 01:19:34; mircea_popescu: "she's been going through 6-7k each month since autumn, but i get to go visit p diddy whenever i feel like it. it's a wash"

02:18:47 asciilifeform: no, elementary question. are there enough gay pr0nd0ll4rz to feed all the mr.unemployableprogrammerz riding their sandpaper dildos

02:19:38 asciilifeform: and, unlike the gurlz, these folks don't add to anyone's 'social level' by being seen with them (perhaps in rome ? but today?)

02:20:09 decimation: well, there's also the social status of being the old jew who owns reddit

02:20:24 asciilifeform: decimation: he doesn't have to feed the birds

02:20:55 asciilifeform: mod6, ben_vulpes, et al: 'zoolag' is down and will remain down for several hours. this is a planned outage.

02:28:54 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-08-2015#1223513 << umm, yes, they are. they are the folks who own (when they do) real estate, which is nearly the only thing which came close to keeping up with true inflation; they are also the folks who own stocks; etc

02:28:54 assbot: Logged on 04-08-2015 02:08:03; mircea_popescu: decimation this doesn't explain why the old farts are getting most of the fake bills.

02:29:14 asciilifeform: people who were there for the tail end of american economy being something like functional

02:29:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6150 @ 0.00052357 = 3.22 BTC [-]

02:30:07 decimation: asciilifeform: yes, that was my point..

02:30:46 decimation: this is why I find the baby boomer whining about old people medical care and old people direct payments

02:32:16 asciilifeform: decimation: the whining, by and large, is coming from the ones who owe $maxint to the medical charlatans and are unhappy that it is coming out of 'their' bezzle rather than the treasury

02:32:21 decimation: "keep mailing us your taxes, your missing bank interest, and your real estate equity. Someone will totally mail you theirs when we are dead!"

02:32:50 decimation: !up Michail1

02:33:31 decimation: asciilifeform: not that they had children who were raised to be +ev so they could afford to whipe dad's ass when he's old"

02:33:59 asciilifeform: decimation: what the hell does it even mean to be +ev in modern usa?

02:34:06 asciilifeform: it is approximately the same as asking who is +ev in prison

02:34:12 decimation: be on the receiving end of the above payments

02:34:18 asciilifeform: yes, a handful of thugs end up with the lion's share

02:34:31 decimation: which means you need to have a house bought before 1980 and be older than 65

02:35:09 decimation: asciilifeform: yeah except if you read my initial link, old people have 47x more wealth than <35

02:35:15 asciilifeform: aha

02:35:19 decimation: it's not mysterious who this '1%' are

02:36:23 decimation: I suppose my hypothesis is that if assets were demoninated in actual hard currency they wouldn't be able to run this kind of ponzi

02:36:42 asciilifeform: see where the 47x figure will go if you discount houses.

02:36:53 asciilifeform: (or if anything like most of'em tried to cash in)

02:36:53 decimation: yeah home equity is most of it

02:37:20 decimation: but home equity comes from bank debt, which comes from the combination of how much maturity transformation is allowed and how much money the fed prints..

02:38:33 asciilifeform: real estate 'wealth' is the ultimate bezzle, nothing like 400,000 time the N of houses in $sector is even available as 'turkey-buying dollars'

02:40:30 asciilifeform: let's work a gedankenexperiment:

02:40:43 asciilifeform: say my neighbour, 86-year-old mr schmuckson, sells his house

02:40:53 asciilifeform: he now has 400k

02:40:56 asciilifeform: what can he do with it?

02:41:13 decimation: well, to go to mircea's point, he can't buy 30 year old health

02:41:24 asciilifeform: he can... die? then the 400k becomes 0, it pays off mr schmuckson jr.'s college loans

02:41:26 asciilifeform: and car loans

02:41:36 asciilifeform: say he isn't ready to die yet

02:41:39 asciilifeform: he can buy... stocks ?

02:41:44 asciilifeform: same result

02:42:12 decimation: let's be more reasonable and say he's 65

02:42:26 asciilifeform: what he is actually going to buy, in likelihood, is a few years of nursing home.

02:42:29 decimation: he could buy yacht

02:42:34 asciilifeform: (automagically costs $networth in most states)

02:42:38 decimation: yes that's likely

02:42:44 asciilifeform: poof. bezzle - gone.

02:42:57 asciilifeform: it went to the same place the electric current in the neutral phase of your mains socket goes.

02:43:10 asciilifeform: a minus sign.

02:43:24 decimation: asciilifeform: I made this point awhile ago about 'roth' ira accounts

02:43:27 asciilifeform: it 'returns to dust' because 'from dust it came'

02:43:35 asciilifeform: as it must.

02:43:38 decimation: they are better in the sense that usg promises not to charge further tax

02:44:01 asciilifeform: picture if the whole idiocy asylum of mr. schmucksons tried to cash in their 400k each and buy turkeys

02:44:05 asciilifeform: or even rockets for isis

02:44:23 decimation: you can even give to schmuckson jr - but as soon as he gets his hands on it the clock starts

02:44:29 decimation: minimum distributions must be made

02:44:35 asciilifeform: it'll go straight to his creditors

02:44:44 asciilifeform: what's left, will buy him a house

02:44:48 asciilifeform: to play the cycle again

02:44:51 gernika: Not much of it would make it to schmuckson jr after gift tax

02:44:54 decimation: no my point is that usg demands jr drains the account

02:45:08 decimation: why put that provision in the law at all?

02:45:26 asciilifeform: decimation: so the current can return to the earth

02:45:32 decimation: unless you were intentionally ensuring that 'schmucksons' couldn't become wealthy enough to tell usg to fuck off...

02:47:08 decimation: but to connect with your point, clearly as long as you are wholly owned by usg, doing business in its monopoly money, don't be surprised when 'it giveth and taketh away'

02:47:17 asciilifeform: aha.

02:47:58 decimation: if nursing home, doctor, real estate - had to be paid for in gold that couldn't be magicked into existance, the prices would change rapidly...

02:48:13 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-08-2015#1223506 << i've said it before, will say again: if you can fake your way out of 'overqualified, go away' when applying to be a cook or street sweeper, you can and will work profitably in hollywood or cia

02:48:13 assbot: Logged on 04-08-2015 02:05:21; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223264 << there is a thread in the logs consisting of me essentially saying that if you can't fake stupiud you're not smart.

02:48:54 decimation: plus you would need fake 'blue collar' credentials

02:48:58 asciilifeform: aha

02:49:25 asciilifeform: let's say i pretend my diploma never happened, and my whole adult life of working r&d never happened

02:49:30 asciilifeform: what do i pretend instead ?

02:49:37 decimation: didn't last psychiatrist have a post about what is needed to 'prove' you are 'poor'? like no job, ever?

02:49:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2508 @ 0.00054806 = 1.3745 BTC [+]

02:49:54 asciilifeform: ^ that was for 'disability pension' from usg

02:50:02 decimation: asciilifeform: since you already have a record of paying taxes you can't fake disability

02:50:05 asciilifeform: aha

02:50:11 asciilifeform: but i was speaking of more mundane situation

02:50:41 asciilifeform: where you walk in to a 'cooks wanted', 'i need a job', they: 'you will leave as soon as you find work programming again, go away now'

02:51:06 asciilifeform: meanwhile behind you is a queue of fifty actual cooks

02:53:03 decimation: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-12/getting-job-mcdonalds-harder-getting-accepted-ivy-league "In 2011, McDonald's announced it would hire 50,000 new employees on April 19 for its National Hiring Day. They eventually hired 62,000 people. Over 1 million people applied. This is noteworthy because many commentators have accused the unemployed of being lazy and unwilling to work."

02:53:04 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IIFUBA )

02:53:11 asciilifeform: aha, this.

02:53:46 asciilifeform: how many of the 62k had computer science degrees ?

02:53:49 asciilifeform: and of the 1m ?

02:54:12 asciilifeform: ~i~ wouldn't hire'em if i were them, either.

02:54:28 asciilifeform: ethnic helots only plz!

02:54:44 decimation: yeah exactly

02:54:46 asciilifeform: folks who won't hate you for paying them starvation wage, who won't pack up at dawn at the first sign of 'real' work

02:55:19 decimation: they will apply and qualify for the appropriate gov't subsidies too

02:55:24 asciilifeform: aha

02:55:39 asciilifeform: no expectation of paid time off, or health insurances

02:56:37 decimation: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2014/03/28/wal-mart-has-a-lower-acceptance-rate-than-harvard/ "Last year when Wal-Mart came to D.C. there were over 23,000 applications for 600 jobs. That's an acceptance rate of 2.6%, twice as selective as Harvard's and over five times as choosy as Cornell."

02:56:38 assbot: Wal-Mart has a lower acceptance rate than Harvard - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1IIGfV0 )

02:57:06 asciilifeform: this is probably why mircea_popescu suggested that they ought to compete for who can most creatively mutilate his cock on camera, rather than apply to 'walmart'

02:57:25 decimation: asciilifeform: the raw fact is that around 60-70% of the us 18-65 population is only capable of 'unskilled' labor of this type at best

02:57:33 asciilifeform: at best.

02:57:52 asciilifeform: but the article linked earlier was about something else

02:58:10 asciilifeform: craftsmen (programmer) for whom there is no economy to work in

02:58:41 asciilifeform: it is very easy to dismiss mr.unemployable as 'plankton' without knowing anything about him

02:58:55 asciilifeform: but the problem is not limited to plankton

02:59:12 asciilifeform: just as it was not the worst, by any reasonable measure, soviet physicists, who ended up driving cabs or drinking to death

02:59:15 decimation: especially if he doesn't want to keep to a 'push shit out the door we'll fix it later' schedule

02:59:38 asciilifeform: yes, mircea_popescu will probably say that a microscope that is not also a hammer is a worthless thing and ought never to have been considered a microscope

02:59:58 asciilifeform: all i can say to this is - don't lend mircea_popescu yer microscopez

03:00:30 asciilifeform: (not that he needs'em for anything, but might not resist urge to discover if it was a true microscope in the sense of cracking a skull well)

03:00:46 decimation: asciilifeform: somewhat related, I was reading about system 360 earlier today

03:01:04 decimation: interestingly even though there were many thousands made, hardly any survive

03:01:14 asciilifeform: just same as 'cray'

03:01:28 asciilifeform: or for that matter, very few symbolics lisp machines survive in working order

03:01:35 asciilifeform: even though they were much more compact than a 360

03:02:06 asciilifeform: helps to recall that neither was a 'mass' item in the modern sense

03:02:10 asciilifeform: a few thou. sold

03:02:16 asciilifeform: iirc.

03:02:48 decimation: yeah there's a smbx 3600 keyboard on ebay for 1800

03:02:55 asciilifeform: wat?!!!

03:02:57 decimation: and a working 'macivory' for 6800

03:03:02 *: asciilifeform blows dust off smbx keyboardz

03:03:27 decimation: http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-VINTAGE-COMPUTER-SYMBOLICS-3600-LISP-MACHINE-KEYBOARD-/321810769726

03:03:29 assbot: RARE Vintage Computer Symbolics 3600 Lisp Machine Keyboard | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1UjIDp1 )

03:03:49 decimation: http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-COMPUTER-SYMBOLICS-LISP-MACHINE-MACIVORY-III-APPLE-MACINTOSH-QUADRA-950-/221830615247

03:03:51 assbot: Vintage Computer Symbolics Lisp Machine Macivory III Apple Macintosh Quadra 950 | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1UjIEtd )

03:03:51 asciilifeform: l0l!!!

03:03:56 decimation: who knows what they are gonna get

03:04:08 asciilifeform: last i checked, david schmidt will sell these for ~200 or so

03:04:12 asciilifeform: perhaps he ran out

03:05:09 gernika: Following up on the "programmer lock-in" thread. Let's say you somehow saved up some capital and want to get out. What do you buy with the small amount of capital? Convencience store? Restaurant? Who will work there? Not your cousin from India - you're 3rd gen. American/Brittish/Whatever.

03:05:26 asciilifeform: incidentally, to my knowledge all published schematics for that keyboard are plagiarized from my reversed drawing: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/Symbolics3600Keyboard.png

03:05:27 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1UjIQZq )

03:06:50 decimation: gernika: that's kinda the point of the earlier converation. as long as you count your wealth in usd, you are owned by usg and are wealthy at their pleasure

03:08:30 gernika: decimation You're right I see the tie-in.

03:09:41 decimation: asciilifeform: but the point I was making with the s/360 is that apparently the one the FAA used for ARTCC was a 'triplex' computer with full voting!

03:10:04 asciilifeform: 'tandem' used to make a mini with triplexing

03:10:11 decimation: no wonder it took them 40 years to 'replace' it

03:10:30 decimation: some pictures http://infolab.stanford.edu/pub/voy/museum/pictures/display/3-1.htm

03:10:31 assbot: IBM 360 display left ... ( http://bit.ly/1III3NR )

03:10:49 decimation: I would bet $20 that they aren't gonna use a 'triplex' computer to replace it

03:12:03 asciilifeform: no shit.

03:14:40 decimation: I actually visited a fully-operating s/360 working at an faa ARTCC as a youth

03:15:04 decimation: the most impressive thing was the wall of lead-acid batteries - meant to run the thing for 10 minutes while the generators kicked-on

03:15:22 asciilifeform: eh, that's still sop

03:15:27 asciilifeform: at any reasonable plant

03:16:05 decimation: I recall the working s/360 as being very ... large

03:16:11 decimation: took up about 10 racks if I recall

03:19:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19393 @ 0.00054806 = 10.6285 BTC [+] {2}

03:37:12 decimation: asciilifeform: lulz: http://www.airtrafficmanagement.net/2014/05/eram-crash-sparked-by-insufficient-ram/ "The computer system made by Lockheed Martin interpreted the flight as a more typical low altitude operation, and began processing it for a route below 10,000 feet. The extensive number of routings that would have been required to deconflict the aircraft with lower altitude flights used a large amount of available ...

03:37:13 assbot: ERAM crash sparked by insufficient RAM | Air Traffic Management | Air Traffic Management - ATM and CMS Industry online, the latest air traffic control industry, CAA, ANSP, SESAR and NEXTGEN news, events, supplier directory and magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/1IIL5l8 )

03:37:19 decimation: ... memory and interrupted the computer’s other flight-processing functions."

03:37:47 decimation: "Reuters reports that a controller would have entered the usual altitude for a U-2 plane – about 60,000 feet – forcing the system to consider all altitudes between ground level and infinity and generating a conflict which caused the system to begin cycling through restarts."

03:39:32 asciilifeform: since when does u2 even file plans

03:41:37 asciilifeform: achtung, panzers!

03:41:43 asciilifeform: mod6, ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, et al:

03:41:45 asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000142.html

03:41:46 assbot: [BTC-dev] (EXPERIMENTAL) Mempool Jettison Trigger ... ( http://bit.ly/1N6ec1q )

03:42:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.00052228 = 4.7527 BTC [-] {3}

03:43:06 asciilifeform: oh and zoolag is back.

03:49:26 decimation: asciilifeform: actually it's a good point (the u2) - you see the results with that f16 vs cessna crash

03:49:40 decimation: us mil operates 'outside civilian system' on us soil to some degree

03:50:30 decimation: thus setting up the ironic situation where one side of usg wants to clamp down on 100 foot drone-flying while f16s blaze around where they please

03:51:00 decimation: and furthermore their brand new 'air traffic management' computer is vulnerable to resource starvation

04:00:38 asciilifeform: 'All this was in part spawned by a long going if little voiced thread in #b-a on the topic of "how can PGP folk be this fucking retarded. Sort-of like the colonial European's expectation that someone firing a weapon necessarily speaks French, or Spanish, or English, or some sort of civilised language also. Because otherwise... where did they get the human weapon! Goblins don't craft weapons.' << YES!

04:00:44 asciilifeform: ^^ mircea_popescu winz. ^^

04:00:53 mircea_popescu: shit i stepped away for a second and i got way behind

04:01:39 *: asciilifeform while mircea_popescu was out, was in the middle of finally writing the motherfucking broadcast but paused to post the mempool guillotine

04:01:52 asciilifeform: which has been up the sleeve for too long

04:01:58 asciilifeform: ought to be tried by somebody.

04:02:25 mircea_popescu: aha

04:02:29 asciilifeform: (and yes, i test'em before posting, but i mean here ~really~ test!)

04:02:38 asciilifeform: like, on live goats

04:03:10 mircea_popescu: poor goats.

04:03:19 asciilifeform: also ok to use live lusers

04:04:02 mircea_popescu: incidentally, it's quite obvious that the b-a conversations consist of both spoken and silent dialogue

04:04:08 mircea_popescu: or i should expect it;s obvious

04:04:23 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> also ok to use live lusers << Pull request to Bitcoin Core GitRub?

04:04:26 asciilifeform: how could be otherwise !

04:04:30 mircea_popescu: ikr?

04:04:47 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: where to get'em is b/w you and the godz

04:04:55 mircea_popescu: the godz of metal.

04:04:59 asciilifeform: aha

04:05:11 asciilifeform: 'the gods of the copybook headings' (tm) (r) (kipling!)

04:05:38 asciilifeform: >> http://www.kiplingsociety.co.uk/poems_copybook.htm <<

04:05:39 assbot: Poems - 'The Gods of the Copybook Headings' ... ( http://bit.ly/1IIOaBE )

04:05:52 BingoBoingo: https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-2vsi2B8F0R8/VbRFXBfZSSI/AAAAAAAAEhA/WJN0RBxajnI/s1600/Panic%2BRoom%2BBar%2BRescue.jpg

04:05:53 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IIOccQ )

04:06:38 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ftr, everyone worth talking to is in point of fact +ev in prisno.

04:07:02 mircea_popescu: talk to someone who's ever done any time. there's a ton of mexicans doing time in us prisons to make money for their family bacvk home.

04:07:33 asciilifeform: that's only +ev if $1/day is money somewhere you come from

04:08:39 mircea_popescu: actually i would guess currently the earned income this way is about 12-15kish a year.

04:08:42 mircea_popescu: liquid tho.

04:09:03 asciilifeform: see also the other 'jail', http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=04-05-2015#1119753

04:09:03 assbot: Logged on 04-05-2015 18:55:44; ascii_field: not even chumps, as such - many of these folks (i usedto work with'em) are laughing all the way to the bank, riding the thermodynamic waterfall between usd salary and cn cost of living

04:10:54 asciilifeform: 'In the Carboniferous Epoch we were promised abundance for all,

04:10:54 asciilifeform: By robbing selected Peter to pay for collective Paul;

04:10:54 asciilifeform: But, though we had plenty of money, there was nothing our money could buy,

04:10:54 asciilifeform: And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: "If you don't work you die."'

04:11:55 mircea_popescu: decimation they';re not capable of it. there's this very insistently nursed delusion among white useless usians that somehow some types of work are "below" them in the sense that OF COURSE they could do it. not so. alf has it : fuck you for "being able to" put the fries in the frier once. do it every day forever.

04:12:13 mircea_popescu: so no. they are not capable, of any kind of work.

04:12:20 mircea_popescu: not capable of intellectual work because not smart enough.

04:12:26 mircea_popescu: not capable of labour because not patient enough.

04:12:52 mircea_popescu: the only work they're capable of is reddit shitslinging, and there's a ton of dudes doin that cheaper and better already. easily 100x what's needed anyway.

04:13:35 mircea_popescu: also - programmer is not a craftsman. "programmer" is the boy equivalent of the "artsy" chick. one does stupid shit and "sells it" on etsy, the other does stupid shit and "sells it" on github

04:13:39 mircea_popescu: the difference is absolutely nil.

04:14:12 asciilifeform: again with reddit php == programming notion

04:14:17 mircea_popescu: this is what it is.

04:14:36 mircea_popescu: talk to a recent cs graduate.

04:14:51 gernika: mircea_popescu I thought all usians dipped fries in the frier as teens or college students at least. Do the younger ones not go through that anymore?

04:15:11 asciilifeform: does mircea_popescu need working komputermaschinen for anything?

04:15:12 TheNewDeal: manual labor is an option as well

04:15:18 asciilifeform: or is he happy with gefingerpoken

04:15:35 asciilifeform: and the 'recent graduate' - straight to the furnace, yes

04:15:42 BingoBoingo: gernika: Not enough jobs to hire them all for it

04:15:49 asciilifeform: doesn't change what programming/medicine/bridge-building ~is~

04:15:51 mircea_popescu: gernika is it a patently retarded idea to buy "restaurant". a restaurant is not a box of candies. if you haven't spent a decade working in one, you have no business OWNING one.

04:16:13 asciilifeform: butbut want moneyz for having moneyz!

04:16:16 asciilifeform: like ted turner!

04:16:26 mircea_popescu: romanian fucktarded kids did this to death. went to work abroad - sucked septuagenarian cock on cruise ships, manned boats off alaska, whatever, came back with a 20-50-70k and then... OPENED A RESTAURANT

04:16:34 mircea_popescu: bar. pizzeria. thjeir mother on a stick.

04:17:05 mircea_popescu: fucking country was full to the brim of bad pink collar places like that badly run by inept cocklets who had somehow imagined they run themselves.

04:17:31 TheNewDeal: offer is still on the record for those interested in the bitcoin no over 350 bezzlers. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=02-08-2015#1221804

04:17:31 assbot: Logged on 02-08-2015 01:07:52; TheNewDeal: I'm thinking of adding perhaps 2 days equivalent timeweight. Say weight it 21000, two days ago weight was 23600. I would accept your amount, and pay out on the timeweight two days prior, 23600. Terms negotiable

04:19:23 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'Meanwhile everyone else continues to practice medicine as best the means available allow also, but according to what the knowledge of the time allows. And everyone else is going to be the professionals in the field of medicine in Sicily cca 1200, whereas our teleported professional is just going to be a quaint curio, undistinguishable and undistinguished from the weird old lady making pretty young things swall

04:19:23 asciilifeform: ow live frogs whole, fresh out of the swamp, for her own perverse enjoyment of seeing the young sluts suffer. Hey, it cured Sue's pregnancy, it did! What spontaneous abortion, what coincidence, are you from like the future ?' << this is, as often is, not the complete story. there ~were~ folks who made a reputation for actually curing something

04:20:10 mircea_popescu: gernika also all usians dipped their cock in pussy juice in college. afaik not done anymore.

04:21:07 asciilifeform: gernika, mircea_popescu: actually this is still sop. i am the odd man out among my circle for ~never~ having done a lick of honest work

04:21:24 asciilifeform: (in the sense of 'deep fryer')

04:22:27 mircea_popescu: you're too old for this discussion.

04:22:31 mircea_popescu: talk to 20 yos.

04:22:37 asciilifeform: hm

04:23:22 mircea_popescu: and yes, sure there were folks who made a reputation. then as now.

04:23:32 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2014#876727 see also

04:23:32 assbot: Logged on 16-10-2014 00:01:42; asciilifeform: consider ancient scholars like the persian Razi.

04:23:44 mircea_popescu: obama has a reputation for bringing nobel peace, and paracelsus had a reputation for curing spiritual warts.

04:24:12 asciilifeform: ain't talking of xerxes's reputation for subduing the ocean with whip

04:24:23 mircea_popescu: but necessarily you are.

04:24:47 asciilifeform: because we haven't a chronoscope? possibly.

04:25:04 mircea_popescu: and because who at the time is going to be your ossasepia.

04:25:04 asciilifeform: or possibly a few folks actually knew 'just enough to be dangerous'

04:26:46 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223301 << not dollar value, however. but yes.

04:26:46 assbot: Logged on 03-08-2015 17:36:33; trinque: punkman | trinque: consider the case where your meat-wot is "businessmen" in Luxor << can probably be milked for some kind of value; if that's all ya got, that's all ya got. better than nothing

04:28:10 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223358 << lawl.

04:28:10 assbot: Logged on 03-08-2015 19:39:51; kakobrekla: fluffypony mp is a safe bet

04:28:47 mircea_popescu: seriosly, i'd like to point out the pattern of it. clearly the guy is buying tailings, ie, overflow traffic/whatever's available to fit his budget. ends up with what overflows.

04:29:34 mircea_popescu: i'm quite flattered, honestly. to think someone hates my shit enough that he's willing to spend to mess with it for part of a day likely more than what people paid to read it in its entire history...

04:29:45 mircea_popescu: it's its own, special brand of compliment.

04:30:29 mircea_popescu: sorta like the situation of a spy, really - the enemy is willing to spend millions to nail him, whereas his own team has to be fought for a 10k allocation sort of deal.

04:31:04 asciilifeform: usg 'drop ten million rocket to nail a camel' is generous !

04:31:42 mircea_popescu: something like that, but really this looks more like butthurt noob "with connections"

04:32:00 asciilifeform: and 'his own team has to be fought for 10k' is for the same fundamental reason that a programmer who saves a $maxint reactor gets a $smallint bonus for his trouble

04:32:07 asciilifeform: or perhaps is simply fired slightly later

04:32:24 asciilifeform: or why the food-lever-operator chimp gets a slightly weaker beating as his 'salary'

04:32:38 mircea_popescu: dumb way to run things.

04:32:50 asciilifeform: i know of nothing which was ever run in any other way.

04:33:00 asciilifeform: could exist, perhaps!

04:33:04 mircea_popescu: i never ran things in that dumb manner.

04:33:14 asciilifeform: like island of stability somewhere ten metres below the known mendeleev table

04:33:20 mircea_popescu: also, japan didn't.

04:33:29 asciilifeform: no?

04:33:30 mircea_popescu: you save reactor - you get it. it's yours now.

04:33:37 asciilifeform: only if blue blood

04:33:41 mircea_popescu: has its failings, but at least it's fun to be in.

04:34:10 mircea_popescu: nah. if "blue blood" i nthe sense of, willing to put up a fucking banner.

04:34:13 mircea_popescu: or w/e they use.

04:34:47 mircea_popescu: it's also a dumb system, for the record. tho perhaps less dumb and certainly dumb for different reasons.

04:35:30 mircea_popescu: (to understand why it's dumb - imagine your prize for rescuing drowning damsel is the damsel. what if you don't want damsels, just enjoy swimming ?)

04:35:41 asciilifeform: aha

04:36:19 asciilifeform: american system is even more 'interesting':

04:36:22 mircea_popescu: it broadly sunk the shogunate at any rate.

04:36:25 asciilifeform: your 'reward' is the damsel's menstrual output

04:36:31 asciilifeform: and little else

04:36:35 mircea_popescu: heh

04:36:47 mircea_popescu: draw out this simile for my benefit, i dun follow.

04:37:04 TheNewDeal: !down TheNewDeal

04:37:11 asciilifeform: worker bee gets the 'responsibility' but not the mega-cashout if the thing sells

04:37:20 asciilifeform: work weekends, nights - sure

04:37:36 asciilifeform: for... 0.1 % of $maybe.

04:37:37 mircea_popescu: ah.

04:38:35 mircea_popescu: shinohai : buncha other people are running eulora with gallium 4.0, incl on llvmpipe. that wouldn't likely be it.

04:39:42 mircea_popescu: shinohai but you're the only one wioth mesa < 10. so that'd likely be it.

04:40:23 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: to pound in the last nail (for now) in the subject: razi, avicenna, et al had it easy compared to modern folk: they could at least charge the rich folks of their time for providing something superficially like working medicine

04:40:43 asciilifeform: but no one will pay for, e.g., de-drepperization of bitcoin

04:40:48 asciilifeform: because 'who the fuck pays for sunlight'

04:40:54 mircea_popescu: you're model of how these guys' lives worked is really very bad you know.

04:41:13 asciilifeform: my model is based on the same almost-nonexistent record as everybody else's ...

04:41:37 mircea_popescu: in the case of avicenna it's not that bad, and a ton has been done to try and figure out his context.

04:44:38 asciilifeform: HOLY SHIT

04:44:48 asciilifeform: did anyone else spot the boojum in the mempool mechanism ?

04:44:59 asciilifeform: revealed by the most recent experiment i suggested

04:45:55 asciilifeform: looks like...

04:46:14 asciilifeform: boost map stuctures DON'T FREE MEMORY when they lose members.

04:46:34 asciilifeform: THIS is why, e.g., orphanage limits did nothing

04:47:09 asciilifeform: who does not believe, is welcome to go and try the experiment in http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000142.html

04:47:09 assbot: [BTC-dev] (EXPERIMENTAL) Mempool Jettison Trigger ... ( http://bit.ly/1N6ec1q )

04:47:19 *: asciilifeform head-desks

04:50:19 mircea_popescu: they only free when destroyed yes

04:50:30 asciilifeform: except they don't

04:50:32 asciilifeform: perhaps instead of waiting for this finding, mircea_popescu ought to have paid a nickel to an interchangeable chunk of protoplasm from 'fiverr' or 'etsy' to discover it.

04:50:42 asciilifeform: given as 'all programming is same'

04:50:57 mircea_popescu: ask anyone if what you're doing is programming and let me knopw what they say.

04:51:07 asciilifeform: just asked woman. said 'yes'

04:51:13 mircea_popescu: damn.

04:51:18 asciilifeform: 'on account of, what else is it'

04:51:22 mircea_popescu: well... there goes that argument.

04:51:35 asciilifeform: though she as often describes it as 'the war'

04:51:54 asciilifeform: in the sense of something i might conceivably one day 'come back from'

04:52:02 mircea_popescu: fat hope.

04:52:06 asciilifeform: aha

04:52:44 asciilifeform: http://www.lyricsfreak.com/d/denis+leary/lifes+gonna+suck_20234052.html << obligatory

04:52:44 assbot: Life's Gonna Suck Lyrics - Denis Leary ... ( http://bit.ly/1P2oDEo )

04:53:00 asciilifeform: 'You're gonna be a giant mess

04:53:01 asciilifeform: When you get back from the war'

04:54:03 mircea_popescu: i don't think you were that unmessy to begin with anyway.

04:54:11 mircea_popescu: proof : couldn't get even mcdonalds job.

04:54:14 asciilifeform: aha

04:54:32 asciilifeform: was even turned away at a bicycle repair pit

04:54:42 asciilifeform: (among other)

04:54:53 mircea_popescu: and you wanted to be my side of the street bicycle powered knife sharpener!

04:55:25 asciilifeform: those don't have to be hired by a boss, all they gotta do is not scare folks away and sharpen

04:55:37 mircea_popescu: in other news - ima point out to our esteemed us smoking colleagues that actual habanero montecristos are about a dime a dozen here.

04:55:41 mircea_popescu: dogs smoke them

04:55:53 asciilifeform: habanero, as with pepper ?

04:56:10 mircea_popescu: ie from havana, cuba.

04:56:13 asciilifeform: ah

04:56:19 *: asciilifeform clearly needs sleep

04:56:43 *: asciilifeform bbl

04:57:58 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/03/no-you-dont-understand-elite-discontent/ << that first quote made me lose interest in the dood.

04:57:59 assbot: No, you don’t understand elite discontent. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1MJ66Pi )

04:58:34 pete_dushenski: rightly so.

04:58:37 mircea_popescu: really, that's what he got out of whatever summary he read, that plato lamented writing. probably because "he despised poor people"

04:58:47 pete_dushenski: i was feeling soldiery today so i... soldiered on.

04:59:39 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: he actually admitted to reading summaries

04:59:45 pete_dushenski: that's not even a joke.

05:00:12 pete_dushenski: in the footnotes of his original he cited motherfucking summaries written by contemporary tards

05:00:39 pete_dushenski: Venkatesh Rao is some kinda troll.

05:00:41 mircea_popescu: he was "being ironic", in current pop-parlance. had plato in fact and earnestly "bemoaned progress" played straight, he'd have complained about the innovation of allowing teen boys not be raped (mostly championed by socrates, for that matter).

05:02:20 pete_dushenski: he was being pseudo-intellectual and name-dropping like the thinly veiled charlatanic 'progressive' he is.

05:02:22 mircea_popescu: http://sexpr.sourceforge.net/ << check it out. someone should add regexp

05:02:23 assbot: sfsexp home page ... ( http://bit.ly/1MJ6Cg2 )

05:02:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2576 @ 0.00053817 = 1.3863 BTC [+]

05:03:40 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: and you're right. plato's lamentation of oral storytelling clearly wasn't his most serious gripe with technology

05:04:03 mircea_popescu: he was making a point. which point incidentally stands,

05:04:27 mircea_popescu: except apparently doesn't stand too well to the reading of barely literate goats bereft of the time to comprehend context.

05:05:21 pete_dushenski: "What we - and yes, I include myself firmly in this much despised camp – view as degeneracy are the expected developments ; that is, the highly predictable and completely foreseeable destruction wrought by making good things “accessible” and “easy-to-use.”" << this is what stands from plato's lament

05:05:37 mircea_popescu: hm.

05:05:46 mircea_popescu: you gotta appreciate plato's personal history.

05:05:56 mircea_popescu: not only was the man part of a b-a of his time, but they actually took power.

05:06:01 mircea_popescu: and then fucked everything up.

05:06:15 mircea_popescu: vividly.

05:07:14 pete_dushenski: well, he was assumed too much rationality in man, no ?

05:08:22 mircea_popescu: who even knows.

05:08:29 mircea_popescu: whatever the fuck happened there is still an open question.

05:09:06 mircea_popescu: in other news, review of various wallets etc shows that most of my bitcoin are over 500 days old. holy shit i need larger blocks imminently!

05:09:35 pete_dushenski: or just more alpaca socks to buy.

05:10:01 gernika: pete_dushenski: you familiar with Rao's Gervais Principle posts?

05:10:02 mircea_popescu: yeah, im sure that's what it is.

05:10:28 pete_dushenski: gernika: can't say i am. link ?

05:10:40 mircea_popescu: gernika are you like, the most well read of us on the people we don't like ?

05:11:05 gernika: pete_dushenski: http://www.ribbonfarm.com/the-gervais-principle/

05:11:06 assbot: The Gervais Principle ... ( http://bit.ly/1MJ7q4B )

05:11:11 pete_dushenski: i honestly just stumbled across this rao dude today and he happened to serve up the right fodder at the right moment. so i fired, fired, fired away.

05:12:29 gernika: mircea_popescu: somehow they lead me here. They got me thinking at least. Or at least trying to.

05:12:51 mircea_popescu: it's not a crime by any means. as they say, there's a blessing for everything

05:12:52 pete_dushenski: is gernika also a pro on twobitidiot and tim swanson ?

05:13:00 mircea_popescu: perfection in any field's still a perfection.

05:13:27 gernika: pete_dushenski sadly unfamiliar with their work. I totally missed out on the tardstalk madness.

05:13:43 mircea_popescu: what man buys a goat that is already milking a cow.

05:13:55 pete_dushenski: gernika: eh, they're more twitterati ftr, for what little difference that makes.

05:15:20 pete_dushenski: and you're really NOT missing out.

05:15:47 gernika: pete_dushenski anyway I admit I was fond of the Gervais Principle, and it gave me a model to try and think about wtf executives and managers do all day.

05:15:56 pete_dushenski: though they each earned a contravex article in their respective heydeys.

05:16:58 pete_dushenski: heh. 7.3 gh/s gets you 10.5% of the ethereum mining power and the top individual miner spot.

05:17:18 pete_dushenski: gernika: i'll give it a peek here.

05:20:08 gernika: pete_dushenski: cool. I think my problem with Rao now is that he bases the Gervaise Principle off of The Office which was written by kids like B.J. Novak - and how the hell does he know anything about what executives do? He may, I just don't see how he got the knowledge.

05:21:32 mircea_popescu: wait a second. you're not seriously trying to understand "what executives do" by reading bloggers' commentary on tv shows ?!

05:21:53 mircea_popescu: this is almost like trying to understand whether alf is a programmer by asking his girlfriend whether he likes the eggs runny.

05:22:45 gernika: mircea_popescu I had hopes, yes.

05:22:50 mircea_popescu: nuts.

05:22:57 pete_dushenski: this is pure rao.

05:23:32 pete_dushenski: 'understanding an eagle's viewpoint by living as a worm in dirt'

05:23:42 mircea_popescu: anyway. have you happened to at any point notice the similarity between the "companies promoite the wrong people - not me!" and the usual complaint trhe same people make about women "they fuck jerks instead of seeing how much of a great sense of humor i have" ?

05:24:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12757 @ 0.00051944 = 6.6265 BTC [-] {3}

05:24:48 mircea_popescu: because it's dunning-kruger all through. the dumbass who sucks at life can't correctly evaluate wqhat the people better than him are doing so they ARE better than him. and so he doesn't understand why they get promoted and laid.

05:25:16 pete_dushenski: "my betters suck, they just can't see it like i do"

05:25:31 mircea_popescu: right.

05:25:50 gernika: mircea_popescu on top of that he argues its not even worth being promoted

05:25:50 mircea_popescu: all these complex (wholly self-contained) mind games to hack the girls panties from offa her fanny

05:25:56 mircea_popescu: as if she wouldn't just take them off herself anyway

05:26:10 mircea_popescu: gernika or gettinglaid. sure. EGHOW!

05:26:15 pete_dushenski: no perspective, some imagination, and *poof*, magical stories that conveniently assuage the ego.

05:26:21 mircea_popescu: employees going their own way!

05:27:16 pete_dushenski: gernika: "no one NEEDS a ferrari anyways, they're just for showing off"

05:27:20 gernika: lol!

05:27:35 mircea_popescu: well this is much true.

05:27:55 mircea_popescu: also nobody needs to be six foot tall.

05:28:14 mircea_popescu: anyway! this is enouigh for me tonight gents. have a great one.

05:28:27 pete_dushenski: bon soir mp

05:30:19 *: pete_dushenski continues reading the latest fraudsters, searching for mountain bike rentals, and hunting for the right air-cooled porsche deal

05:57:17 pete_dushenski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbIlLmCID5g

05:57:18 assbot: The 100 Greatest Movie Threats of All Time - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1g3dYgJ )

06:03:19 BingoBoingo: Only in East Saint, the body on the road being a carjacking ruse is more novel than there being a body on the road http://www.bnd.com/news/local/crime/article29695969.html

06:03:19 assbot: ESL Police warn: Body on road could be carjacking ruse | Belleville News-Democrat ... ( http://bit.ly/1KNcfcG )

06:13:54 BingoBoingo: !up Hasimir

06:13:59 BingoBoingo: !up Belxjander

06:14:03 BingoBoingo: !up TheRealJohnGalt

06:22:28 pete_dushenski: ;;later tell mircea_popescu "can be ridden for a lot of mileage, and simlarly"

06:22:29 gribble: The operation succeeded.

06:25:12 pete_dushenski: also, "enligthened restraint"

06:26:48 pete_dushenski: also also, "established throgh counting"

06:29:15 Belxjander: thank you for the temp voice...

06:40:33 pete_dushenski: Belxjander: and who might you be ?

06:40:56 pete_dushenski: !gettrust Belxjander

06:40:56 assbot: Belxjander is not registered in WoT.

06:44:21 Belxjander: what the hell does it mean I'm not in the WoT

06:45:07 pete_dushenski: !up Belxjander

06:45:12 Belxjander: pete a guy living in Japan who has been reading here a long time

06:45:53 pete_dushenski: Belxjander: then you must be joking about not knowing what the wot means if you've been 'reading here a long time'

06:45:58 pete_dushenski: !h

06:45:58 assbot: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot

06:46:03 Belxjander: I'm in the middle of moving so don't really have time to mess with everything until after getting network access sorted at the new place

06:46:23 pete_dushenski: either way, read that link there and follow along.

06:46:36 Belxjander: pete I'm not saying that... I'm surprised the bot can't find me in the WoT

06:46:45 pete_dushenski: also, obligatory : http://www.contravex.com/2014/03/31/biting-into-the-wot-elephant-and-irc-nicknames/

06:46:47 assbot: Biting Into The WoT Elephant (And IRC Nicknames) | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1JJrOAG )

06:46:58 pete_dushenski: ;;gettrust Belxjander

06:46:59 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user pete_dushenski to user Belxjander: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=pete_dushenski&dest=Belxjander | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Belxjander | Rated since: Wed Dec 4 14:43:24 2013

06:47:20 pete_dushenski: aha. you're in the old gribble wot.

06:47:27 pete_dushenski: you also need to register in the new assbot wot

06:47:46 pete_dushenski: and you're friends with usagi !

06:48:08 pete_dushenski: bwahaha now there's a badge of dishonour.

06:48:16 Belxjander: then I'll screengrab this for now and get to that sometime after getting online at my new address then

06:48:17 pete_dushenski: no matter. just get in the new wot

06:49:38 Belxjander: okay...as soon as I can then...preferably with my desktop and not from this tablet and rpi-znc setup

06:49:39 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Now, you aren't still running OS X anywhere are you

06:50:11 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: sure i am.

06:50:23 BingoBoingo: You read qntra today right?

06:50:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5802 @ 0.00051944 = 3.0138 BTC [-] {2}

06:50:56 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: actually, just now. i read about that flaw a day or two ago.

06:51:08 pete_dushenski: what, you think i run the latest ?? pah.

06:51:20 BingoBoingo: It is a pretty big, pretty intentional seemign Drepperization

06:51:36 pete_dushenski: i may be stupid in my choice of os, but not THAT stupid.

06:51:53 pete_dushenski: Belxjander: cool beans.

06:52:25 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: It's never to late to embrace OS 9

06:53:35 pete_dushenski: i really should have a machine running that.

06:53:45 pete_dushenski: just for kicks

06:53:50 pete_dushenski: and diversity !

06:55:02 BingoBoingo: And to see what could have been

06:55:41 pete_dushenski: i sorta remember it. i ran it on my first g3 tower iirc

06:56:24 BingoBoingo: ah

06:58:21 Belxjander: using AmigaOS 4.1Final on my desktop myself... definitely niche..

07:02:30 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223127 <<< as much as i'd like to fuck a different woman each night, i usually settle for a tissue.. who knows maybe i'll get lucky on the weekend when/if i try to get the foundation's client up and running

07:02:30 assbot: Logged on 03-08-2015 14:06:53; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223002 << at this point i gotta ask, why are any of you still using the phoundation turd for anything

07:08:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8350 @ 0.00051943 = 4.3372 BTC [-] {4}

07:24:37 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-08-2015#1223409 <<< the guides help but isn't enough to get it over the line for me so until i can build it by myself, i'm stuck using what is available to me

07:24:37 assbot: Logged on 04-08-2015 00:28:01; mircea_popescu: the latter is guaranteed to take a while. the former may take even longer depending on how familiar you are with mashing computers into shape.

07:31:12 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-08-2015#1223464 <<< i called this in pm months ago!

07:31:12 assbot: Logged on 04-08-2015 01:08:38; BingoBoingo: Can't tell if real or fake https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3fottn/cointelegraphcom_is_shutting_down_cutting_all/

07:32:02 BingoBoingo: cazalla: I can't go leaking seekrits though

07:47:02 BingoBoingo: Pattypan squash coming in heavy this year

07:51:49 shinohai: CoinTelegrapgh lel

07:56:52 jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-08-2015#1223457 was half a bitcoin per shitplatform. and lel "running the compiler"

07:56:52 assbot: Logged on 04-08-2015 00:51:27; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223213 << iirc you got a bitcoin for running the windows compiler, and didn't even get pushed to do the os/x or die. my memory betrayin' me or something ?

07:57:30 jurov: if it was, you'd have folks waiting in line

07:58:34 punkman: mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223301 << not dollar value, however. but yes. << exactly. I get immense value from Luxor meat-wot, but it will never be in dollars.

07:58:34 assbot: Logged on 03-08-2015 17:36:33; trinque: punkman | trinque: consider the case where your meat-wot is "businessmen" in Luxor << can probably be milked for some kind of value; if that's all ya got, that's all ya got. better than nothing

07:58:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5850 @ 0.00051943 = 3.0387 BTC [-]

08:08:04 punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-08-2015#1223776 << same here. and I go to that stupid restaurant at 00:40, there's 4-5 tables still waiting for food, but the motherfucker has the nerve to say "sorry kitchen's closed".

08:08:04 assbot: Logged on 04-08-2015 04:16:26; mircea_popescu: romanian fucktarded kids did this to death. went to work abroad - sucked septuagenarian cock on cruise ships, manned boats off alaska, whatever, came back with a 20-50-70k and then... OPENED A RESTAURANT

08:13:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00052913 = 4.4447 BTC [+] {3}

08:15:34 punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-08-2015#1223913 << I liked it back in 2009, and it seemed slightly derpy then. but I can no longer read Rao's markov output.

08:15:34 assbot: Logged on 04-08-2015 05:10:01; gernika: pete_dushenski: you familiar with Rao's Gervais Principle posts?

08:20:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4604 @ 0.0005352 = 2.4641 BTC [+] {3}

08:25:01 cazalla: BingoBoingo, sounds yum.. i'm just about ready to get some spring veg into the seed propogator (warm mat and shit)

08:25:10 BingoBoingo: ah

08:25:25 cazalla: either this coming weekend or next

08:25:34 BingoBoingo: cool

08:37:03 shinohai: dem netsplitz >.>

08:37:37 Adlai: dat irc_smart_filter

08:42:07 BingoBoingo: lol

08:43:08 shinohai: LTC:USD sell = 4.20, buy = 4.21, last = 4.20; high = 4.36, low = 4.09, avg = 4.22 || via BTC-e on 2015-Aug-04 08:43:07 Z

08:43:29 shinohai: ltc @ 4.20 hue

09:06:35 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-08-2015#1223743 <<< is that the local strip joint you like? :P

09:06:35 assbot: Logged on 04-08-2015 04:05:52; BingoBoingo: https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-2vsi2B8F0R8/VbRFXBfZSSI/AAAAAAAAEhA/WJN0RBxajnI/s1600/Panic%2BRoom%2BBar%2BRescue.jpg

09:06:55 BingoBoingo: cazalla: Nah, just beautiful vandalism

09:15:50 jurov: !t m f.mpif

09:15:50 assbot: Yeah. No damn tobacco, that's for sure.

09:16:01 punkman: every time ^

09:19:15 jurov: !t m s.mpoe

09:19:15 assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00051414 / 0.00053388 / 0.00054924 (1886087 shares, 1,006.96 BTC), 7D: 0.00050177 / 0.00052958 / 0.00055771 (13428065 shares, 7,111.26 BTC), 30D: 0.00049302 / 0.00054003 / 0.00060248 (99390102 shares, 53,674.54 BTC)

09:19:24 jurov: !t m x.eur

09:19:24 assbot: [MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.00383327 / 0.00383327 / 0.00383327 (15 shares, 0.06 BTC), 7D: 0.00366423 / 0.00378283 / 0.00388112 (866 shares, 3.28 BTC), 30D: 0.0035 / 0.00394028 / 0.00430612 (7173 shares, 28.26 BTC)

09:20:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.00051943 = 1.2986 BTC [-]

09:40:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00052021 = 4.89 BTC [+]

10:01:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37041 @ 0.00052021 = 19.2691 BTC [+]

10:05:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3378 @ 0.0005135 = 1.7346 BTC [-] {2}

10:14:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.0005135 = 4.7756 BTC [-]

11:04:12 shinohai: https://np.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3flyi2/bitlicense_new_york_cronyism_state_of_mind/ctpzkrv

11:04:13 assbot: BitLicense: New York Cronyism State of Mind : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1KNCno3 )

11:15:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00051748 = 6.4685 BTC [+]

11:46:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8050 @ 0.00053079 = 4.2729 BTC [+] {2}

12:01:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15095 @ 0.0005308 = 8.0124 BTC [+]

12:16:06 BingoBoingo: http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/man-claimed-he-rammed-st-louis-police-car-for-the/article_fed4cbc2-24d1-585c-a2d4-2ab5f853644d.html

12:16:32 BingoBoingo: ^ Police grabbed him, and as they were arresting him, Labriado yelled several times that "This is for the black people!"

12:16:57 shinohai: fight the power

12:17:50 punkman: too bad he didn't have a bulldozer

12:18:18 kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223206

12:18:18 assbot: Logged on 03-08-2015 16:57:30; ascii_field: ^ somebody buy this man a small airplane.

12:20:16 BingoBoingo: Well we are coming up on the one year anniversary of Ferguson going up in flames.

12:41:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12550 @ 0.0005308 = 6.6615 BTC [+] {2}

13:34:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14264 @ 0.00052955 = 7.5535 BTC [-] {3}

13:51:12 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski heh the editor's getting belted.

13:53:57 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust belxjander

13:53:58 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user belxjander: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=belxjander | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=belxjander | Rated since: Wed Dec 4 14:43:24 2013

13:54:08 mircea_popescu: !gettrust belxjander

13:54:08 assbot: belxjander is not registered in WoT.

13:54:34 mircea_popescu: ;;later tel belxjander if you created your gribble account after january 2015 you don't get an automatic assbot account.

13:54:34 gribble: Error: The "Later" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "tel" in it. Try "list Later" to see the commands in the "Later" plugin.

13:54:38 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell belxjander if you created your gribble account after january 2015 you don't get an automatic assbot account.

13:54:38 gribble: The operation succeeded.

13:55:56 mircea_popescu: llol, ddosing qntra now ?

13:57:12 BingoBoingo: looks like it.

13:57:34 BingoBoingo: Was a bit slow earlier it seemed. Just now reaching the inaccessible phase

13:58:05 BingoBoingo: In other news look which forum/dice derp is apparently no frozen to death in Canada https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1142879

13:58:07 assbot: KLYEMAX T-Shirt Fundraiser ... ( http://bit.ly/1IDSaiu )

13:58:17 fluffypony: lol

13:58:34 fluffypony: inb4 KLYE'S ICE COLD CAM GIRLS

13:58:38 mircea_popescu: qntra comin' back on in 3..2..1..

13:59:04 asciilifeform: http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2015-07/24/youtube-us-drone-teenager-arrested << lulziez

13:59:06 assbot: US teen behind gun-wielding drone arrested (Wired UK) ... ( http://bit.ly/1IDSnlD )

13:59:21 mircea_popescu: aww

13:59:31 BingoBoingo: For the archive https://archive.is/EbbYR

13:59:33 assbot: KLYEMAX T-Shirt Fundraiser ... ( http://bit.ly/1IDSuOd )

13:59:38 asciilifeform: ~not for the stunt itself~

13:59:40 mircea_popescu: Malwarebytes reports (archived) that a vulnerability in Apple's latest version of OS X which was reported to exist last month on Stefan Esser's blog (archived) is now appearing on malware in the wild.

13:59:44 mircea_popescu: da fuck, why are they so slow ?

14:00:04 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it was an escalator, not a remote 0day

14:00:17 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It really only appears to have been spotted in use because some braindead adware used it on sudoers

14:00:19 asciilifeform: hence pretty useless except as part of something else

14:00:34 mircea_popescu: a

14:00:48 mircea_popescu: Malwarebytes only noticed the flaw being actively exploited because a particular piece of adware had edited the sudoers file on a testing environment << lmao.

14:01:00 mircea_popescu: ad industry, still driving force behind 0day innovation.

14:01:04 asciilifeform: 'The teenage mechanical engineering student, who set up the killer machine as part of college class project, was charged with two counts of assault, interfering with a police officer and failure to obey an officer's signal, after refusing to turn himself in on an outstanding warrant and attacking the officers in question "repeatedly".'

14:01:06 mircea_popescu: they don't get enough credit for this.

14:01:14 mircea_popescu: everyone just thinks "oh, porn".

14:01:52 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'd expect by now most of the "no go" zones openly advertise "see a cop ? kill a cop" policies.

14:02:18 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo " The severity of the flaw though is such that when triggered it can edit any file on the affected machine including files." wtf is that mean

14:02:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43050 @ 0.00051037 = 21.9714 BTC [-] {8}

14:02:44 BingoBoingo: missing word, will fix

14:03:26 BingoBoingo: two words "executable system" goes before last files

14:04:18 mircea_popescu: jurov no! RUNNING THE COMPILER! :D

14:05:02 BingoBoingo: And qntra gets DDoS resurgent when update post button is hit

14:06:03 mircea_popescu: <punkman> Rao's markov output. << i wonder if this is the necessary fate of all long running "idea" blogs on the internets.

14:06:32 mircea_popescu: obviously this is a poorly researched field, for lack of substance to study. but particularly interesting to me for the obv reasons

14:07:53 BingoBoingo: Well you are creating a dataset. Probably bought yourself some time with the language switch.

14:08:10 mircea_popescu: if that's it ima move to fucking french next.

14:08:20 mircea_popescu: would you still read me if i was in french ?

14:08:52 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'я русский бы выучил только за то что им разговаривал ленин' (TM) (R)

14:09:12 mircea_popescu: (tbh, i think i'm buying a lot of time with my willingness to engage the frivolous, but maybe i'm just reading ideology into reality)

14:09:32 BingoBoingo: Might read in French

14:09:35 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sadly my russian's not nearly good enough to actually write in it

14:09:44 mircea_popescu: now THAT's a way to embarass oneself...

14:10:09 asciilifeform: everybody laughs at the esperantists for a century, but this is kinda why they do it

14:10:12 mircea_popescu: "considering how sparkling he was in english, reading the flat clumps of russian slag he puts out was quite the disappointment"

14:10:15 asciilifeform: bozo shield.

14:10:21 mircea_popescu: no.fucking.way.

14:10:37 mircea_popescu: wake me up when there's a 500 year tradition of prison culture in esperanto.

14:10:54 asciilifeform: it's a planetoid, not a planet.

14:10:56 mircea_popescu: wake me up when you can go through an entire conversation in huyesperanto

14:11:06 mircea_popescu: planetoids hold no atmosphere.

14:11:11 mircea_popescu: langage breathes.

14:11:16 BingoBoingo: Well the best time to start building 500 years of prison culture in Esparanto is Today. Next best time tomorrow.

14:11:22 asciilifeform: thing is, once big enough to have prisoners, big enough to be 95% derp by weight

14:11:26 mircea_popescu: actual best timne is never.

14:11:31 asciilifeform: like engl.

14:11:36 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform russian is 95% derp by weight too

14:11:44 mircea_popescu: that's not the criteria.

14:11:56 mircea_popescu: the criteria is, whether the remaining 5% are entusiastically sucking the cock or not.

14:11:56 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not as strong a tradition there - yet - of 'everybody gets to write'

14:12:23 mircea_popescu: that may seem like the driver of language shittyfication but it is not.

14:12:44 mircea_popescu: languages go to shit for two reasons. the main one is, elite being humble. the secondary one is, no nation.

14:13:07 mircea_popescu: languages spoken by proud elites of actual nations do greatr. whether the pride is justified or not, and irrespective of what it does to the country otherwise.

14:13:28 chetty: nation as a thing is rapidly turning into history

14:13:41 mircea_popescu: not that rapidly.

14:14:06 mircea_popescu: the once great french nation is going the way of all other failed experiments - austro-hungarian, united-statesian, whatever.

14:14:21 mircea_popescu: the chinese are doing fine, the russians are doing fine, even the fucktarded greeks or romanians are doing fine.

14:14:30 mircea_popescu: nationo-language wise at least.

14:15:17 mircea_popescu: heck, idish died but hebrew fucking survived! fancy that.

14:15:18 chetty: greeks wont last long, neither will Romania since they are in eu

14:16:02 mircea_popescu: i don't know the greek situation well enough to quote chapter and verse past the general impression, but as to romanian i can sign you a warrant. robotzi is strictly sufficient proof, for decades, perhaps a century.

14:17:06 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> heck, idish died but hebrew fucking survived! fancy that. << It didn't survive. They found a corpse and built around it.

14:17:10 mircea_popescu: "de ce ?" (why ?) "de tot (forever). debarcader (drydock). de verde ce-i iarba (for grass is green). de treci codrii de arama (if you pass the bronze forrest (literary reference)). deranjat la ficat. (upset liver)."

14:17:11 mircea_popescu: that's it.,

14:17:22 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo what did you think survival was ?

14:17:59 BingoBoingo: I was under the impression survival didn't require resurection after dying on the cross

14:18:03 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: tone poemz ?

14:18:14 mircea_popescu: (actually the correct quote is "Foca:De ce? Mo:De tot, debarcader, de verde, ce-i iarba, de maine incepand, de treci codrii de arama, de departe, vezi aproape, destoinic, deranjat la ficat." but anyway)

14:18:29 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform spontaneous tone poemz by two kids making a random cartoon show out of their bedroom.

14:19:03 mircea_popescu: can stand up with fucking poe, and english doesn't just sprout forth poe when scraping its knees on the asphalt in a rollerblading accident

14:19:28 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we have this beat: http://img.1001mem.ru/posts_temp/14-05-09/3513007.jpg

14:19:29 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IDWSwI )

14:19:46 mircea_popescu: ahahaha

14:19:49 asciilifeform: ^ these are all poems. in the style indicated above each (e.g., pushkin's)

14:20:00 mircea_popescu: but myeah. i am not the cunt's slightest fuck worried about assrussian.

14:21:16 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it just so happens it died like 8 times to date.

14:22:39 asciilifeform: incidentally, anyone can learn to pronounce - with flavour! - these poemz

14:22:54 asciilifeform: good exercise for folks who like languages but don't know ru yet

14:22:59 mircea_popescu: (anyway, lest the esl reader acquires the wrong impression from the logs - at issue is not that the thing was done, per se. at issue is HOW the thing is done. which is to say : shockingly unexpected, which requires a) a large body of work against which to expect pre-existend and b) a language strong enough to shock against that. these are plain impossible requisites in "reasonable" languages, and they can't be met by p

14:22:59 mircea_popescu: eople who stick together for "reasonable" reasons.)

14:23:36 asciilifeform: see also orlov re: english being a technical pidgin

14:23:50 asciilifeform: used by precisely the folks 'together for reasonable reasons'

14:23:59 mircea_popescu: this is why poetry worked back in the day the english aristrocracy imposed it on the masses, but esperanto and ebonics do not nor will ever work.

14:24:07 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha.

14:24:11 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo it just so happens it died like 8 times to date. << So did actual Greek, as did actual Fortran.

14:25:11 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: to be clear, i won't recommend esperanto as a literary language. but will point out that it plays somewhat of the same role morse plays for 'hams', or sign language for the literate deaf. i.e. a ~shield against mainstream cultural poison~

14:25:24 mircea_popescu: wrong kind of shield.

14:25:24 asciilifeform: lets you have a little 'usenet' going. for a spell.

14:25:47 mircea_popescu: corporate job is idem "a shield" for usian fucktards, like working "for the govtr" was a shield that still got germans hung and soviets spat on.

14:26:11 mircea_popescu: i suppose the greatest mysetery of life is that there are shields you want and shields you do not want.

14:26:13 asciilifeform: castle != jail

14:26:21 asciilifeform: (though a jail can be inside a castle, yes)

14:26:24 mircea_popescu: all castle contains a jail.

14:26:46 mircea_popescu: and for that matter versailles (which is how and why french died) was not a castle, but a jail.

14:27:25 mircea_popescu: i suppose phillipe equalite is the patron saint of dead languages.

14:27:28 mircea_popescu: once he appears, it's the end.

14:27:42 asciilifeform: some shields may cost more than they are worth. but i argue that not-having-britney-spears-in-your-language is worth ~something~ culturally

14:28:03 mircea_popescu: nononon

14:28:06 mircea_popescu: not a matter of cost.

14:28:20 asciilifeform: just like not having had tumblr pheminism in a language yet, is a great cultural asset

14:28:26 mircea_popescu: some shields are simply not worth having. period. for any cost. they mostly cost "0" anyway.

14:28:33 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not so.

14:28:42 mircea_popescu: tumblr pheminism is a great strengthener. for a live one.

14:28:42 asciilifeform: recall the old thread about north kr?

14:28:49 mircea_popescu: bout 12 of em,...

14:28:52 asciilifeform: the world's only nation without mcdonalds

14:29:05 asciilifeform: and this may almost make up for everything else

14:29:32 asciilifeform: they will eat own shoes, yes. but not mcd

14:29:39 mircea_popescu: i do not see this.

14:29:46 asciilifeform: like a nature preserve

14:29:49 asciilifeform: see the point of those ?

14:29:55 mircea_popescu: nature preserves are for dead animals.

14:29:58 mircea_popescu: and no i do not.

14:29:59 mircea_popescu: let them die.

14:30:39 asciilifeform: north kr (at least as seen from my distant perch) is a backup copy

14:30:44 asciilifeform: of civilization prior to mcd.

14:30:44 mircea_popescu: hahaha no.

14:30:59 mircea_popescu: not unless you imagine the stale sandwich 3 months in your fridge is a "backup copy" of a sandwich

14:31:06 mircea_popescu: tell you what - if we ever lose sandwiching, ima reinvent it

14:31:13 mircea_popescu: and iom not using your pile of dog vomit.

14:31:14 asciilifeform: and prior to 'worth of individual' and other crocks of shit which have spilled since- everywhere

14:31:35 asciilifeform: it is an old, worm-eaten backup, yes

14:32:04 asciilifeform: but somewhere in it could be a usable kB or two.

14:32:06 mircea_popescu: you can't backup live things.

14:32:19 mircea_popescu: you know what ? there's a usable kb or two on github too

14:32:21 mircea_popescu: go. use.

14:32:32 asciilifeform: it's a culture without reddit and 'worth of indiviiiiidualz'

14:32:36 asciilifeform: gotta be worth something.

14:32:37 mircea_popescu: no, it is not.

14:32:49 mircea_popescu: it is a culture with a fucktarded, buggy, slow implementation of these

14:32:55 mircea_popescu: done by hand out of rice husks.

14:33:09 mircea_popescu: i'd rather see the best in all fields, including poisons.

14:33:45 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu brings up interesting point. entirely possible that north kr will binge to death on reddit, like the red skinned man did on liquor, when the time comes

14:34:08 mircea_popescu: what ELSE ?

14:34:25 asciilifeform: and on else

14:34:30 mircea_popescu: for them reddit IS the west, much like for yours truly, outlet store catalogues was

14:34:36 mircea_popescu: i was 10 at the time, but still.

14:35:09 asciilifeform: for me it was... the house in 'tom & jerry' !

14:35:13 asciilifeform: (among others)

14:35:36 mircea_popescu: same idea i guess.

14:36:49 chetty: I wonder if being on the internet so much only makes you guys now see the 'west' as reddit and there just might be actual civilization out there if you get off the computers.

14:37:20 asciilifeform: chetty: there sure is! it lives in the library.

14:37:36 asciilifeform: and smells of mildew and horse glue

14:37:47 asciilifeform: because stopped happenening around 1960 or so

14:38:21 asciilifeform: can't speak for others, but ~i~ still visit it.

14:38:40 mircea_popescu: chetty you'll probably get asked what asciilifeform got asked yesterday re "industry".

14:38:47 chetty: funny, I recall life before I lived on the computer, and it wasn't that long ago.

14:38:48 mircea_popescu: there still is this civilisation ? where ?

14:39:01 mircea_popescu: retirement homes, maybe. while that lasts.

14:39:30 asciilifeform: thing is, if something is alive inside an impenetrable bubble, it is not alive.

14:40:00 asciilifeform: the 'real programmerz' are not in such a bubble, in that you are interacting with them every time you flip the light switch or turn on the tap, or get into a '747'

14:40:11 mircea_popescu: cop out of major degree.

14:40:25 mircea_popescu: ~I~ am not in a bubble, because i actually take untold hours each quarter to talk here.

14:40:26 asciilifeform: or run therealbitcoin, etc

14:40:33 mircea_popescu: nevertheless, everyone else in fucking finance pretty much is

14:40:47 mircea_popescu: some, the brighter ones, are sort-of trying, twitter, what have you. maybe it works, who knows.

14:40:58 mircea_popescu: and if you wish you can say the same re programmers, and i'll buy it

14:41:09 mircea_popescu: but it also illustrates just how strained the melted cheese is

14:41:11 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they aren't - as far as i can tell - talking

14:41:17 asciilifeform: 'spartan speaks with his sword

14:41:18 asciilifeform: '

14:41:41 mircea_popescu: risky argument.

14:41:56 asciilifeform: because talking with the 'fresh grads' (much less the public at large) is increasingly a pearls/swine proposition

14:41:57 mircea_popescu: spartan may well speak with his sword, but this does not promise an easy translation.

14:42:02 asciilifeform: and this is felt, in the gut, by just about everyone

14:42:03 mircea_popescu: for one thing, computing is language.

14:42:10 mircea_popescu: so let them wot.

14:42:28 asciilifeform: they wot

14:42:34 asciilifeform: it just doesn't include anybody under 50

14:42:40 asciilifeform: analogue wot.

14:42:43 mircea_popescu: understand

14:42:45 BingoBoingo: https://i.imgur.com/Jd3Ph70.jpg

14:42:46 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1gHkw5y )

14:43:05 mircea_popescu: i made this point, vaguely, when we were discussing our own survival, in the form of "lordship lists" etc. but it stands - if you have a systematic closure you're in a bubble.

14:43:07 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: wat

14:43:11 mircea_popescu: "nobody under 50" means bubble.

14:43:13 asciilifeform: aha

14:43:20 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Cake

14:43:21 asciilifeform: it means 'that's it, we're done'

14:43:30 chetty: hahahaha the old dont trust anyone over 30 has morphed into don't talk to anyone under 50

14:43:35 mircea_popescu: so it does.

14:45:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4639 @ 0.00051087 = 2.3699 BTC [+]

14:45:44 asciilifeform: nobody has yet invented the machine for turning mental 'bonsai kitten' into a full-grown animal.

14:46:07 asciilifeform: folks who grew up with javascript in microshit exploder as 'programming' - are lost.

14:46:15 asciilifeform: quite likely - permanently.

14:46:45 asciilifeform: ditto folks who grew up with 'climatocalypse' and 'string theory' as 'physics'

14:46:50 asciilifeform: they are also write-offs.

14:47:08 asciilifeform: like the sicilian doctors circa 1200 from mircea_popescu's article

14:47:27 asciilifeform: not 1 in 1000 is salvageable.

14:48:18 asciilifeform: modern 'west' works the way it works by narrowing the victim's horizon in such a way that from the day he is born, sees entire world only through own arsehole

14:48:35 asciilifeform: knowing this, how to talk to 'under 30' ?

14:49:22 asciilifeform: i can already hear, mircea_popescu will say, 'with your cock'

14:50:15 asciilifeform: to which i answer 'go to the harem and come back with why tx is not deallocated when mapTransactions is emptied'

14:51:02 *: asciilifeform bbl

15:16:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23386 @ 0.00050912 = 11.9063 BTC [-] {2}

15:17:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12664 @ 0.00050871 = 6.4423 BTC [-] {3}

15:41:54 punkman: from my spam folder: "Get paid like Seinfeld‏"

15:58:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43161 @ 0.00051087 = 22.0497 BTC [+]

15:59:41 mircea_popescu: "i know hoiw to make sitcom successful in big way (like seinfeld) so please send me some pics of you" ?

16:00:24 punkman: nah, usual "make money while you sleep" fare

16:00:47 mircea_popescu: ok

16:01:21 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform long known, that machine. it consists of a belt and, as mo says, "totu-i din incheietura, ma, degeaba tot..."

16:02:06 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> knowing this, how to talk to 'under 30' ? << i have an easy enough time, prequals : nude, nice tits, better ass, on knees.

16:02:09 mircea_popescu: works wunderbar.

16:03:01 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> to which i answer << and to wich is answer, if memory serves you were brought by a woman!

16:12:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38650 @ 0.00050849 = 19.6531 BTC [-]

16:18:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.00051149 = 1.5856 BTC [+]

16:22:38 jurov: and that woman sure knew how to deallocate after, i spose

16:23:26 mircea_popescu: lol actually you should see hanbot these days, running containers and whatnot. you lot have ruined her.

16:34:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54550 @ 0.00050777 = 27.6989 BTC [-] {4}

16:34:27 mod6: asciilifeform: thanks for your Mempool Jettison submission

16:41:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00050531 = 2.375 BTC [-]

16:46:15 mircea_popescu: http://logs.minigame.bz/2015-08-04.log.html#t16:24:41 << ima just leave this here.

16:46:16 assbot: #Eulora log for Tuesday, 2015-08-04 ... ( http://bit.ly/1DqHvM5 )

17:01:33 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

17:02:10 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-08-2015#1224297 << please see last night's log! (spoiler: jettison does't actually free mem..)

17:02:10 assbot: Logged on 04-08-2015 16:34:27; mod6: asciilifeform: thanks for your Mempool Jettison submission

17:02:31 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-08-2015#1224291 << was many things-ed by women

17:02:31 assbot: Logged on 04-08-2015 16:03:01; mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> to which i answer << and to wich is answer, if memory serves you were brought by a woman!

17:02:51 decimation: ascii_field: did you know that openssl has a pure c implementation?

17:03:07 ascii_field: reimplementation ?

17:03:16 ascii_field: (in what sense would this be 'openssl' ?)

17:03:22 decimation: heh

17:03:30 ascii_field: or you mean the original? well no shit, c

17:03:31 decimation: remember how they have that 'we can load object code' functionality?

17:03:39 ascii_field: big phat news

17:03:53 *: ascii_field brainfarted, thought 'boost' for some reason

17:04:24 decimation: yeah but you were complaining that openssl was inseperable because of the assembly optimization

17:04:47 decimation: http://www.openssl.org/source/openssl-fips-2.0.tar.gz < the 'fips' source

17:04:48 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1DqMsV9 )

17:05:03 decimation: nevermind the fips shit, they ship a pure c implementatin for cross-platform stuff

17:05:18 ascii_field: snore

17:06:07 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-08-2015#1224314 << who, me? nope

17:06:07 assbot: Logged on 04-08-2015 17:04:24; decimation: yeah but you were complaining that openssl was inseperable because of the assembly optimization

17:06:30 ascii_field: possibly mircea_popescu was retching at the use of intel 'aes accelerator' instruction

17:07:10 mircea_popescu: not retching. simply not an option.

17:07:38 ascii_field: no shit

17:07:58 mircea_popescu: do that, mgith as well "store your private keys with keybase.io indacloud"

17:08:03 ascii_field: fwiw these don't even execute on my iron

17:08:05 ascii_field: (amd)

17:08:11 mircea_popescu: same cloud the brits store the islanders to create that .io in the firsat place.

17:08:29 jurov: rly amd does not support? even via does

17:08:58 ascii_field: jurov: not ~decade-old amd

17:09:07 jurov: now i'm curious what alf thinks of via

17:09:07 mircea_popescu: well if decade old, not intel even

17:09:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00050531 = 3.7898 BTC [-]

17:20:27 scoopbot_revived: Sunday, August 9th event : Auction! http://fraudsters.com/2015/sunday-august-9th-event-auction/

17:24:20 ascii_field: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3frn1d/satoshis_coins_have_not_moved_blockchaininfo_is << l0l (via diametric)

17:24:21 assbot: Satoshi's coins have NOT moved. Blockchain.info is dead! : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1IhY8Zo )

17:29:06 trinque: https://np.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3frn1d/satoshis_coins_have_not_moved_blockchaininfo_is/ctradeg << Anduck

17:29:08 assbot: Anduckk comments on Satoshi's coins have NOT moved. Blockchain.info is dead! ... ( http://bit.ly/1DqRYai )

17:29:31 mod6: <+ascii_field> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-08-2015#1224297 << please see last night's log! (spoiler: jettison does't actually free mem..) << will review, thx.

17:29:31 assbot: Logged on 04-08-2015 16:34:27; mod6: asciilifeform: thanks for your Mempool Jettison submission

17:30:46 ascii_field: mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/569110/why-is-memory-still-accessible-after-stdmapclear-is-called

17:30:47 assbot: c++ - Why is memory still accessible after std::map::clear() is called? - Stack Overflow ... ( http://bit.ly/1DqSmp5 )

17:31:30 ascii_field: with extra lulzy part, that http://stackoverflow.com/a/569151 is catastrophically braindamaged and will segfault, guaranteed

17:31:31 assbot: c++ - Why is memory still accessible after std::map::clear() is called? - Stack Overflow ... ( http://bit.ly/1IhZqnd )

17:31:48 ascii_field: (iterators are invalidated by deleting element)

17:31:49 trinque: hm wrong Anduck, nvm

17:33:09 diametric: !up ascii_field

17:40:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20292 @ 0.0005053 = 10.2535 BTC [-] {2}

17:41:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17908 @ 0.00050374 = 9.021 BTC [-] {3}

17:53:56 mircea_popescu: "A blockchain explorer has ONE JOB: to show its users valid blocks and transactions. Blockchain.info does not do this. It's worse than worthless; it's deceptive."

17:54:07 mircea_popescu: i agree. bc.i is a pile of useless css.

17:54:18 mircea_popescu: irrespective of what "venture capital" it has wasted to date.

17:55:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29435 @ 0.00051228 = 15.079 BTC [+] {4}

17:56:30 ascii_field: the whole notion of ten thousand people hanging off the teat of ~one~ node is braindamaged

17:56:55 mircea_popescu: they weren;t supposed to run one node

17:56:59 mircea_popescu: meanwhile it turns out they lied,

17:57:03 mircea_popescu: and so forth.

17:57:13 ascii_field: all the turdation nodez may as well be one.

17:57:50 mircea_popescu: there's a difference between these two situations.

17:58:13 mircea_popescu: anyway. piuk can go dangle, i have very little respect left for his competence

17:58:21 mircea_popescu: technically, intellectual or otherwise

18:00:44 punkman: http://sockpuppet.org/blog/2015/08/04/is-extended-random-malicious/

18:00:45 assbot: Is Extended Random A Malicious NSA Plot? — Quarrelsome ... ( http://bit.ly/1InnpPs )

18:01:59 ascii_field: finally, names ^^

18:02:07 ascii_field: mircea_popescu ^

18:02:16 mircea_popescu: aha

18:03:38 ascii_field: 'The U.S. Government has these special requirements that you wouldn’t understand. Since they’re a government, they needn’t explain themselves, and we’re not going to explain either.'

18:03:48 mod6: !up ascii_field

18:04:25 punkman: "GnuTLS had support for OpaquePRF. Someone should ask Simon Josefsson why. OpaquePRF was very simple, so maybe he wrote it for sport."

18:04:27 mircea_popescu: fucking backwards

18:04:33 mircea_popescu: *I* don't need to explain myself.

18:04:35 mircea_popescu: governments - do.

18:04:41 mircea_popescu: they're the first ones that do.

18:05:10 mircea_popescu: and wtf name is "Clyde Frog"

18:05:42 ascii_field: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Clyde+Frog <<?

18:05:44 assbot: Urban Dictionary: Clyde Frog ... ( http://bit.ly/1IW6sRL )

18:06:15 punkman: "If I call NSA “Clyde Frog” long enough, eventually other people will too. Someone has to start the meme! "

18:06:18 ascii_field: ^

18:06:35 mircea_popescu: bullshit.

18:06:54 mircea_popescu: and ftr, the nist ec crapolade was ALWAYS regarded as suspiciouys at best "by people in the business"

18:07:04 mircea_popescu: not "since snowden"

18:07:39 ascii_field: the question of 'what prng to use' has never differed from the question of what kind of animal's shit to smear in wounds

18:07:49 ascii_field: yes, medieval doctors may have debated, horse vs cow

18:08:26 mircea_popescu: anyway. i don;t know who this guy is and don't care what he [thinks he] may have to say on the topic.

18:09:05 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: looks to me like he's trying to unearth names/faces

18:09:11 ascii_field: how well - can't say

18:09:27 mircea_popescu: there's going to be none of this "two bit idiot" http://fraudsters.com/2014/how-to-make-money-on-the-internet-while-pretending-you-know-what-youre-talking-about-and-accumulating-a-legion-of-mindless-followers-for-fun-and-profit/ A/B-and-spam approach to "credibility"

18:09:28 assbot: How to make money on the Internet while pretending you know what you're talking about and accumulating a legion of mindless followers - for fun and profit! on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1InoNBI )

18:09:42 mircea_popescu: ascii_field he is starting in the wrong place and therefore may never succeed.

18:10:02 *: ascii_field does not know where 'right place' is, so won't comment

18:10:06 mircea_popescu: let me formalize this for reader's benefit.

18:10:40 mircea_popescu: 1. take a complex situation C about which propositions may be formed Pi which are decidably correct or false through a T(Px) function.

18:12:00 mircea_popescu: 2. take a list L of actors Lj , who decide (D) on which P to rely, and are scored by function S(Lx), according to the impact of their reliance on false P (which is uncomputable at all points before running S)

18:12:57 mircea_popescu: 3. create a set S of twobitidiots Sk, who put forth statements Q about various P, so that the actual T(Q(Px)) is normally distributed over the list S.

18:13:42 mircea_popescu: in this model, the fact that Sy displays any score on the basis of his past emitted Q is no proof of anything.

18:14:01 mircea_popescu: in particular no trust or crediblity may attach to that record, for the simple reason that THAT IS HIS FUCKING JOB.

18:14:04 ascii_field: 'stopped clock'

18:14:21 mircea_popescu: the entire list S exists so that "credible" S's can appear so that selected Ls can be fucked over.

18:14:35 ascii_field: like our german ?

18:14:47 mircea_popescu: which one ?

18:15:24 mircea_popescu: in any case : i am not valuing nor even reading "opinions" of anon folk ie Qs.

18:16:03 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the 'phuctor debunked' german

18:16:13 mircea_popescu: specifically because if one of these is not open to challenge, he is ipso definition an S. and anons are ipso definitio not open to challenges

18:16:44 mircea_popescu: ascii_field like the whole swathe of "bitcoin experts", and also like "cryptography experts" of the ilk of some nobody in particular running "socklpuppet.org"

18:17:46 mircea_popescu: anyway. this argument is both too complex to be readily "intuited" by the children and also its results are deeply inconvenient to their wants and expectations (mostly of playing the spy and generalsly speaking "mattering" in their own head), and so i don't expect the S process to go away. it's prolly going to be productive enough to become a mode of "culture" on the interwebs.

18:19:15 mircea_popescu: at the very margin, this discussion reduces to the discussion of al schwartz' lack of access to measuring processes, if you recall it.

18:19:29 mircea_popescu: because yes, if science were "open to all comers" in this sense, it'd just get ddos'd into the shit by S's.

18:20:03 ascii_field: see also the maths profs shredding unsolicited fermat 'proofs' unread

18:20:13 ascii_field: (also in same thread iirc)

18:20:21 mircea_popescu: aha.

18:21:14 mircea_popescu: anyway. makes for great tumblr stars, goes splendid for an ama, can prolly retire to doing voice-overs for "did you know" factoid tv/nature show.

18:21:20 mircea_popescu: so it's a living, best of luck.

18:23:31 mircea_popescu: but derived from it, a decent pseudo-AI project would be to make a long list of propositions, sort them in a thousand or so lists (ie blogs) and "publish" "articles".

18:23:38 mircea_popescu: probably can live off the subscriptions.

18:23:46 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the one twist is, as far as i can tell, most of these 'plowing flies' disinfo agents are... unpaid

18:24:04 mircea_popescu: which is why i propose to do the job with a computer. it's plowing, there's no reason to pay for it.

18:24:06 mircea_popescu: let the tractor plow.

18:24:28 ascii_field: iirc already proposed in the mircea_popescu article re: reddit spam

18:24:36 mircea_popescu: lower lever there, but yeah.

18:24:57 ascii_field: also alan sokal

18:25:14 mircea_popescu: imo the entire menagerie, orlov, yarvin, whoi have you are simply doing this by hand

18:25:46 ascii_field: o & y don't really belong in the picture

18:26:03 ascii_field: (not that they are honest people, necessarily - but not shannonizers)

18:26:05 mircea_popescu: ascii_field if you recall, i challenged orlov and he came out with "I am a robot doing the above".

18:26:12 mircea_popescu: literally.

18:26:14 ascii_field: wai when

18:26:28 mircea_popescu: when we discussed the "inflation in romania" factual error in one of his articles.

18:26:39 ascii_field: link ?

18:26:43 mircea_popescu: and i also challenged yarvin, who... kept silent.

18:26:50 mircea_popescu: which i color to mean the above.

18:26:55 ascii_field: he's been silent entirely

18:26:58 ascii_field: for some years now

18:26:59 *: mircea_popescu goes to dig the link up

18:27:28 ascii_field: they started paying yarvin to shut the fuck up

18:27:29 ascii_field: recall ?

18:27:40 decimation: it didn't help

18:27:58 ascii_field: 'helped' in the basic sense of 'no more mold buggered'

18:28:26 decimation: specifically I'm thinking of him being booted from that conference

18:28:30 decimation: where he was gonna talk about urbit

18:28:45 ascii_field: he probably got a stern talk about that

18:28:58 ascii_field: 'you promised, no more sedition, recall?'

18:29:35 decimation: yeah but his blog was already dead for at least a year or two

18:29:46 mircea_popescu: holy shit i confused one blogspot for another!

18:29:47 decimation: 'no more past either'?

18:29:51 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2014#481156 << this is what i had in mind

18:29:51 assbot: Logged on 05-02-2014 03:57:45; mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids if you care, http://fofoa.blogspot.ro/2010/07/debtors-and-savers.html is formally incorrect on the listing of romania

18:29:53 mircea_popescu: not orlov is it

18:30:10 mircea_popescu: dear peoiple : seriously, stop with the google blogs. you're indistinct.

18:30:25 mircea_popescu: but otherwise, i have to strike the foregoing. i never challenged orlov.

18:31:42 ascii_field: they keep blogs in public toilets, yes

18:31:53 ascii_field: for similar reason as to why mircea_popescu doesn't want to buy his isp trunk line

18:32:09 decimation: in yarvin's case I always thought it was attaching irony to google.com

18:32:28 decimation: but also because poor/cheap/google is 'free'

18:32:42 ascii_field: free timewise

18:32:49 ascii_field: many folks can't be arsed to administer a box

18:35:02 mod6: !up ascii_field

18:35:25 decimation: as yarvin wrote: "An Internet server is, above all, a massive fortified castle in alien zombie territory."

18:37:42 ascii_field: two basic but imho entirely separate problems with mr mold - a) he wasn't entirely mentally clean of usg to begin with ( most of mircea_popescu's observations fall into (a)) b) he was approached, as early as 2010, and told 'your crackpot os will be funded and you can sleep ad libitum, but there is a price'

18:37:57 mircea_popescu: jurov s.qntra shares added.

18:38:04 decimation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZNzz4SaTYk

18:38:05 assbot: Los Angeles, November 2019 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1IKxv0G )

18:38:25 *: ascii_field will transmit s.nsa broadcast when he gets home

18:38:37 mircea_popescu: ascii_field i don't see anything directly wrong with that model.

18:38:50 ascii_field: it is my working hypothesis, at any rate

18:38:51 decimation: ascii_field: and if b happened it almost certainly was at the foot of peter thiel or one of his cronies

18:39:01 ascii_field: decimation: we more or less know it was thiel

18:39:26 mircea_popescu: what did he get anyway ? 20 billion ?

18:39:38 ascii_field: iirc is was south of 15m

18:39:51 mircea_popescu: if that bunch of watsap scammers got 20bn, i have no idea why anyone would take less than 10 bn a head from usg.

18:39:52 ascii_field: just enough to sleep ad libitum

18:40:01 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: he took what was given

18:40:05 mircea_popescu: gotta keep up the prices.

18:40:30 mircea_popescu: i never heard of anyone sleeping as you say through "Taking what was given"

18:40:32 mircea_popescu: ya know ?

18:40:34 ascii_field: the alternative package probably involved feeding his wife and children to pirannhas

18:40:45 mircea_popescu: heh. if only.

18:40:47 decimation: nah, just let inflation eat

18:41:01 ascii_field: he was, if anyone recalls, freshly broke

18:41:08 decimation: he did beg

18:41:10 ascii_field: after ~8 yrs of sleep-ad-libitum

18:41:19 mircea_popescu: wanna bet this one won't take 4 ?

18:41:30 ascii_field: already 5

18:41:30 mircea_popescu: those 8 years were started in a much better time for usg.

18:41:46 mircea_popescu: o ? well then!

18:41:54 decimation: well, given that his project has a gigantic red target painted on the side for all amateur-political enforcers

18:42:14 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: he's part of the annointed caste now. if the dough runs out, can dilute the shares, etc

18:42:18 ascii_field: more or less ad infinitum

18:42:20 mircea_popescu: lol

18:42:34 mircea_popescu: so i take it the leaky submarine's still being worked on ?

18:42:38 ascii_field: it is

18:42:45 ascii_field: i get daily crapolade in the mailbox still

18:42:51 ascii_field: (can't be arsed to read... for a while now)

18:42:56 mircea_popescu: tbh, it has all the makings of a great DoD "investment"

18:43:05 mircea_popescu: can't be made, most people can't figure out why.

18:43:20 ascii_field: missing important attributes for this

18:43:27 ascii_field: accessibility to flies

18:43:45 mircea_popescu: you did just say you get daily inbox flies ?

18:43:52 ascii_field: (not many flies are fluent with hindley-milner type system)

18:44:03 mircea_popescu: but SOME are. and if those are the ones you want...

18:44:06 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: same 6 or so bozos working still

18:44:28 decimation: he had some hire working in his closet I thought

18:45:03 ascii_field: he had some bloke as live-in human compiler, aha

18:45:35 decimation: the spirit of the thing seems right: let's bail on the internet as it is a god foresaken hellhole

18:45:46 decimation: the problem is that computers as-existing are in the same box

18:45:59 ascii_field: it was never a good candidate for dod sc4m4tr0n because included too much of mr mold's 'thinking man likes to use his brain' masturbatronic element

18:46:12 mircea_popescu: the dod is changing.

18:46:31 mircea_popescu: us army used to consist of ... soldiers. now it's mostly acneic tomboys of indeterminate gender wanting to play counterstrike

18:46:33 decimation: it would have been interesting as a dod project back in 1980

18:46:33 ascii_field: decimation: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1390 << see also.

18:46:36 assbot: Loper OS » Of Decaying Urbits. ... ( http://bit.ly/1IKyhL9 )

18:46:53 decimation: yeah I've read it. I even attempted to learn urbit, before much good documentation was abvailable

18:49:10 mircea_popescu: ascii_field http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1390&cpage=1#comment-8502 << can you translate this to some sort of english i might understand ?

18:49:12 assbot: Loper OS » Of Decaying Urbits. ... ( http://bit.ly/1IKyApd )

18:49:24 mircea_popescu: it seems more akin to some sort of performance act than speech.

18:49:41 ascii_field: the bozo comment ? nope

18:49:52 ascii_field: it was shannonizer all the way

18:50:07 ascii_field: classic style btw

18:50:09 mircea_popescu: i guess it must be ?

18:50:11 ascii_field: mircea_popescu ought to recognize it

18:50:19 ascii_field: 'we just have different goalz!!'

18:50:46 mircea_popescu: my usual approach to reading text of unknown origin is not so different from the pagerank algorithm, whereas the meaning of discourse nodes (words, generally) is narrowed by the other nodes in the graph until the whole thing collapses into something.

18:50:46 scoopbot_revived: MPEx (S.MPOE) July 2015 Statement http://fraudsters.com/2015/mpex-smpoe-july-2015-statement/

18:50:54 mircea_popescu: or fails in one of the well known modes.

18:50:58 mircea_popescu: this thing just stays paste.

18:51:01 ascii_field: i can't translate, but can offer a barf bag.

18:51:13 *: ascii_field offers bag to mircea_popescu

18:51:27 mircea_popescu: aite.

18:52:27 decimation: he links to a word-salad blog

18:52:47 decimation: "More: Understand that our teetering, broken, stringy technology stack was written by Boomers, mostly, and other people who didn't know any better. Charitably, the technology wasn't mature, though the luminaries and prophets of the era would vigorously disagree. We're inheriting it, along with the pride of a lifetime's work; rather than take it behind the barn and shoot it, let's gently put it out to pasture and ...

18:52:53 decimation: ... emulation. "

18:52:55 mircea_popescu: i wonder if this is related to the "feelings driven" pseudo cultural economy.

18:52:55 ascii_field: philippino!

18:55:39 jurov: mircea_popescu: one qntra share is missing, it makes together 10601, i got 10600

18:56:49 jurov: or, better, tye report is wrong?

18:57:10 jurov: yes, it's 11220 together

18:58:02 jurov: derp no,it's me

18:58:08 jurov: nevermind

19:08:57 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

19:09:11 ascii_field: 'SYSLINUX 4.06 EDD 4.06-pre12 Copyright (C) 1994-2012 H. Peter Anvin et al' << noticed today

19:09:41 ascii_field: (as pertaining to http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=02-08-2015#1222148 )

19:09:41 assbot: Logged on 02-08-2015 16:29:55; mircea_popescu: they have in common being either dumb per se or else i nthe crosshairs of the manacling-with-dumb cannon.

19:24:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45042 @ 0.00051834 = 23.3471 BTC [+] {4}

19:26:12 punkman: http://www.zdnet.com/article/bitdefender-suffers-data-breach-customer-records-stolen/ are these daily now

19:26:13 assbot: Bitdefender suffers data breach, customer records stolen | ZDNet ... ( http://bit.ly/1MKA6u6 )

19:32:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42900 @ 0.00050342 = 21.5967 BTC [-]

19:39:22 oglafbot: http://oglaf.com/nostrum/

19:39:23 assbot: Nostrum ... ( http://bit.ly/1MKBU6c )

19:39:23 oglafbot: http://oglaf.com/medallions/

19:39:24 assbot: Beef Medallions ... ( http://bit.ly/1MKBU6k )

20:36:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44200 @ 0.000522 = 23.0724 BTC [+]

20:37:19 punkman: fucking ants everywhere digging holes through my walls, I think I need to call a professional

20:38:59 fluffypony: punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWdKf3MneyI

20:39:00 assbot: Marvel's Ant-Man - Trailer 1 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1SJZqV0 )

20:39:36 punkman: how the fuck do ants cut through concrete?

20:40:56 jurov: they don't, they fly in

20:41:24 jurov: or it's not actually concrete but cardboard

20:45:21 punkman: wondering if they are building something like this in my walls http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-vnFStMEUOl0/Tsp-BV8ew6I/AAAAAAAABG0/-M34xXmw1Y8/s1600/Nest+Archeo.jpg

20:45:21 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1SK12OC )

21:00:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23900 @ 0.00050815 = 12.1448 BTC [-] {4}

21:00:46 jurov: i prefer to wonder when they learn to live in symbiosis with spiders

21:04:52 jurov: !up afreakk

21:11:52 punkman: !up bad_duck

21:28:38 danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-08-2015#1224509 << I was trying to figure out what this urbit dukedom thing was, in in so doing found this -> http://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0xB36AE9849D961AC9 << I met this guy at porcfest / he was the only one there who also had his GPG fingerprint on a business card; we signed eachothers keys :D

21:28:39 assbot: Logged on 04-08-2015 18:46:36; assbot: Loper OS » Of Decaying Urbits. ... ( http://bit.ly/1IKyhL9 )

21:28:40 assbot: Search results for '0xb36ae9849d961ac9' ... ( http://bit.ly/1K2GHtV )

21:29:06 danielpbarron: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/urbit-dev/KNkFS_34P_I << this is him also selling his thingy

21:29:07 assbot: Google Groupes ... ( http://bit.ly/1K2GOpl )

21:29:43 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

21:29:52 ascii_field: danielpbarron: fare is a well-known fella

21:30:01 ascii_field: from (back in the stone age!) the 'tunes' project

21:30:03 danielpbarron: i got my picture with him

21:30:43 ascii_field: which (i learned many years later) was quite like what i want to do, except that they did not (to my knowledge) understand hardware and - it involved a few dozen people (!) who agreed on virtually nothing

21:31:05 ascii_field: http://tunes.org << the ruins

21:31:06 assbot: TUNES OS/Language Project ... ( http://bit.ly/1K2H0EW )

21:32:21 ascii_field: he sold his almost immediately after i did, iirc

21:32:34 ascii_field: btc fell, so he got roughly 2x

21:32:57 ascii_field: or no, not quite

21:33:03 ascii_field: i asked for fixed bag, he - auctioned

21:33:06 ascii_field: (and btc fell)

21:33:55 ascii_field: (by how much - i don't recall)

21:34:46 ascii_field: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/urbit-dev/for$20sale/urbit-dev/PvXo1t7uNrY/ik5e-9b-cNwJ << where i sold mine

21:34:47 assbot: Google Groupes ... ( http://bit.ly/1K2Hpah )

21:35:38 ascii_field: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/urbit-dev/qgxfZ-I-nJ4/q6mKVUA7b1oJ << obligatory, the mega-flamefest that followed

21:35:40 assbot: Google Groupes ... ( http://bit.ly/1K2HryV )

21:36:05 ascii_field: and l0l, they censored some of my posts

21:36:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56216 @ 0.00051709 = 29.0687 BTC [+] {5}

21:36:13 ascii_field: but not the quoted text!

21:36:14 ascii_field: go figure.

21:37:15 ascii_field: 'In what universe does it make cryptologic sense to keep an unchanging key around for years (decades? optimistically - centuries?) on end?' >> i said this to mr mold and i said it also to mpex !

21:37:18 ascii_field: and it bears repeating.

21:39:33 danielpbarron: http://i.imgur.com/4ZFQKYn.jpg << me and fare

21:39:35 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MKVVJV )

21:40:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48900 @ 0.00052503 = 25.674 BTC [+] {4}

21:44:15 decimation: ascii_field: std::vector is enraging

21:44:17 ascii_field: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/urbit-dev/RoQrSFJ_M9o/ca3-nbSuIc0J << moar, for aficionados

21:44:18 assbot: Google Groupes ... ( http://bit.ly/1K2Ioax )

21:44:29 decimation: there's no mechanism for "malloc" instead - only "calloc"

21:47:10 decimation: because apparently the c++ committee couldn't imagine a use case where you would like to allocate memory but would rather write to it yourself

21:47:39 danielpbarron: oh, on a somewhat related note: the reason I even met Fare was because I suspected that he was friends with one of my assassin targets (turned out to be false intel) so I struck a conversation with him to confirm or deny my suspicion

21:48:07 danielpbarron: (i met a LOT of people this way)

21:49:54 danielpbarron: i had tracked one of my targets down and found him in the main assembly space, and was prepared to follow him out (as you cannot kill someone under the roof of an offical event) but then I saw Fare walk in and I didn't want him to see me following the guy, so I walked up to him instead, and in so doing, lost my actual target :/

21:50:14 ascii_field: danielpbarron: he was a relatively early 'computer sucks and must be rebuilt' person. sadly, i've no idea what he is up to these days.

21:50:58 danielpbarron: well I gave him my card with my fingerprint and url to my website (that links mostly to b-a stuff)

21:51:17 danielpbarron: we also emailed eachother signed keys, and I told him to get in the WoT, but he hasn't replied to that

21:51:32 ascii_field: prolly for same reason al schwartz didn't

21:52:12 ascii_field: and, dollars to doughnuts, that reason is 'that place must be about bitcoin, i don't have any and how the everliving fuck would i ever get any, what am i to do there'

21:53:14 danielpbarron: i don't recall what I said to him, but I'm sure I explained the WoT as I did with most people I met there

21:53:53 ascii_field: notice the tidbit mircea_popescu spilled earlier: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=04-08-2015#1223911

21:53:53 assbot: Logged on 04-08-2015 05:09:06; mircea_popescu: in other news, review of various wallets etc shows that most of my bitcoin are over 500 days old. holy shit i need larger blocks imminently!

21:54:13 ascii_field: if this is so, it means that ~everyone who has subscribed to mpex~ is 'early adopter'

21:54:30 BingoBoingo: Oh printer ink market is dying http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-08-04/epson-is-about-to-solve-the-most-annoying-problem-with-inkjet-printers

21:54:31 assbot: Epson Is About to Solve the Most Annoying Problem With Inkjet Printers - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1MKYj3j )

21:54:56 ascii_field: BingoBoingo: nubbins` had this for years

21:55:03 ascii_field: but more generally, inkjet is a scam from day 1

21:55:13 ascii_field: there is not an elixir to make it into anything other than a scam

21:55:21 BingoBoingo: ascii_field: Sure, but now nubbinsisms are apparently being targeted at lusers

21:55:22 ascii_field: the printheads, for instance, are typically designed to fail rapidly

21:55:30 ascii_field: so they can buy printheads

21:55:38 ascii_field: 'but it isn't an ink cartridge! stfu and buy'

21:55:50 ascii_field: classic sc4mz0r switcheroo

21:56:14 *: BingoBoingo back in school when needed to print switched to "laser" after buying second black scamjet cartridge

21:56:22 decimation: ascii_field: http://www.cartesianco.com/ < they use 1980's era inkjet cartridges to 'print circuits'

21:56:24 assbot: Cartesian Co ... ( http://bit.ly/1MKYwU8 )

21:56:39 decimation: apparently a binary system: silver nitrate and asorbic acid

21:56:44 decimation: shelf life: 6 months

21:56:49 ascii_field: ancient history

21:56:54 ascii_field: and works about as well as you'd expect

21:56:58 ascii_field: (massive impedance)

21:57:03 decimation: I can't imagine it would work well

21:57:19 decimation: most other circuit printers use silver 'nanoparticles'

21:57:19 ascii_field: ever make 'resistor' with pencil as a boy ?

21:57:21 ascii_field: precisely this

21:57:27 decimation: which suck even more, but have longer shelf life

21:57:38 ascii_field: it is gimmicky crap, all of it

21:57:52 decimation: yeah I would like to hear 'adult use'

21:58:17 ascii_field: none

21:58:20 ascii_field: and don't expect any.

21:59:21 decimation: they are 'iterating' toward a solution, you see

22:00:33 decimation: at any rate I"m not sure why anyone would want to 'startup' electronics hardware manufacturing - especially board-level stuff

22:00:44 decimation: the margins are razor-thin even if you have adult gear

22:00:46 decimation: !up ascii_field

22:01:20 ascii_field: 'macrofab' went in the entirely other direction (using slaves)

22:01:30 decimation: that seems like a much better solution actually

22:01:39 ascii_field: costwise

22:01:43 ascii_field: quality-wise - not so much

22:01:52 decimation: well, it depends on quality of slave - and his instructions

22:02:07 ascii_field: smt parts were not designed to be placed by hand

22:02:12 decimation: my understanding is that their 'special sauce' is that they are able to print very detailed instructions for slave to follow

22:02:37 decimation: but still need human to execute instructions.

22:07:33 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-08-2015#1224554 << some actually can do this.

22:07:33 assbot: Logged on 04-08-2015 20:40:56; jurov: they don't, they fly in

22:09:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51300 @ 0.00052935 = 27.1557 BTC [+] {4}

22:31:58 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

22:34:28 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

22:34:29 gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 285.61, Best ask: 285.81, Bid-ask spread: 0.20000, Last trade: 285.61, 24 hour volume: 12327.26729006, 24 hour low: 281.25, 24 hour high: 285.94, 24 hour vwap: None

23:14:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15963 @ 0.0005081 = 8.1108 BTC [-]

23:21:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21033 @ 0.000516 = 10.853 BTC [+] {3}

23:24:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41200 @ 0.00050177 = 20.6729 BTC [-]

23:30:37 jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-08-2015#1224121 heh

23:30:37 assbot: Logged on 04-08-2015 14:10:12; mircea_popescu: "considering how sparkling he was in english, reading the flat clumps of russian slag he puts out was quite the disappointment"

23:31:05 jurov: cue http://lojban.org

23:31:07 assbot: Lojban ... ( http://bit.ly/1DrRe4M )

23:31:23 jurov: "a constructed language based on predicate logic"

23:31:51 danielpbarron: flat clump of slag you say?

23:32:13 jurov: lenin, the first eulorian

23:33:10 danielpbarron: http://www.dianacoman.com/Eulora/fcos.html

23:33:46 danielpbarron: (a very useful ingredient)

23:34:22 jurov: плоский слиток шлакa

23:38:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11055 @ 0.00052743 = 5.8307 BTC [+] {4}

23:41:04 jurov: perhaps better: сгусток шлакa

23:44:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00053309 = 8.5827 BTC [+] {2}

23:53:06 mircea_popescu: in the same vein, http://40.media.tumblr.com/dc5617142344a8a695c2367e21a5e726/tumblr_mq2205wTMc1szbpdho1_1280.jpg

23:53:07 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1E6KdRU )