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00:03:51 mircea_popescu: well fats actually are bad so

00:04:47 mircea_popescu: fluffypony the vc-derps are pretty much one track. they got one solution for all problems, which is proven to not work for any of them, and they';re sticking to it.

00:05:18 mircea_popescu: contact to ground was lost long enough, by the time graham's in outer space derping to himself about hyperbolics...

00:05:28 fluffypony: yeah

00:05:48 mircea_popescu: !up ghtdak

00:10:38 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: which and why?

00:11:56 thestringpuller: Paul Graham literally believes the best startups are ones that don't scale: "When I interviewed Mark Zuckerberg at Startup School, he said that while it was a lot of work creating course lists for each school, doing that made students feel the site was their natural home."

00:13:31 shinohai: pete_dushenski: Nope, worse. My parents became Evangelical Christians. "Jews for Jesus" if you will.

00:15:49 deedbot-: [Qntra] British and North Carolina Teens Prosecuted as Child Pornographers in Separate Cases - http://qntra.net/2015/09/british-and-north-carolina-teens-prosecuted-as-child-pornographers-in-separate-cases/

00:18:47 pete_dushenski: shinohai: are 'jews for jesus' actually that bad ?

00:19:27 pete_dushenski: i admit i've only met two of them, a young couple at pre-natal class, perfectly pleasant really. he even wore a tallit around his waist

00:20:58 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: lol hot damn i was *just* about to start writing up that sexting one. well snagged ! i'll be faster net time.

00:21:23 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: I just got a lot of momentum going these past couple days

00:22:01 pete_dushenski: no kidding !

00:22:33 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes that's complicated. but on the balance of it, too much fat makes you fat. which is problematic for the circulatory system

00:22:37 BingoBoingo: Not one big thing, but a bunch of little things that are better recorded than not.

00:23:09 pete_dushenski: "There are roughly 3 trillion trees on Earth — more than seven times the number previously estimated — according to a tally1 by an international team of scientists." << moar upward revisionism, except this kind is more butthurt for climate doomsdayists

00:24:04 mircea_popescu: a warming earth is not bad for vegetation.

00:24:25 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: both are needed

00:24:37 mircea_popescu: kinda how that cycle works.

00:33:21 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260853 << oh, horseshit.

00:33:21 assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 03:05:07; asciilifeform: trinque: if you are not among the annointed

00:34:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.00071786 = 11.7729 BTC [+] {3}

00:34:34 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i'll bite. name anybody presently rolling in the vc megamillions while doing something of actual worth

00:35:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36200 @ 0.00071797 = 25.9905 BTC [+]

00:35:34 ben_vulpes: nobody is doing anything of 'actual worth' and 'much' is such a wishy-washy term that you can set the bar arbitrarily high.

00:36:13 ben_vulpes: as for names, well

00:37:59 asciilifeform: 'A North Carolina 17-year-old caught in a sexting scandal faces charges of sexually exploiting a minor that could land him in jail for up to 10 years, since the law considers him an adult. But one of the minors he supposedly exploited is himself??which raises an obvious question: how can a teen be old enough to face adult felony charges, but not old enough to keep a nude picture of himself on his phone? Unfortunately, that

00:37:59 asciilifeform: ?s the Kafka-esque nightmare in which Fayetteville-area high schooler Cormega Copening finds himself after exchanging private nude photos with his girlfriend?with whom he is legally allowed to have sex, but not to sext.' << gold.

00:38:46 asciilifeform: obligatory: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2014#546880

00:38:46 assbot: Logged on 05-03-2014 02:05:11; asciilifeform: 'american does not believe the man in the uniform to be a bandit, with whom one can come to an understanding. he believes him to be a robot, who must be feared. american law enforcers are able to, by pressing on the keyboard of a multitude of laws and regulations, 'transmute' the most insignificant peccadillo into a monstrous deed. FBI did not need to beat up Monica or toss into her purse heroin or am

00:40:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44150 @ 0.00071589 = 31.6065 BTC [-]

00:41:45 asciilifeform: does anyone have a link to the actual indictment ?

00:42:10 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo ^ ?

00:42:48 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Not that I've found yet

00:43:15 mircea_popescu: i dunno how one could be 17yo, a us citizen, and NOT sms nude pics of themselves to every single usg official in sighh

00:43:24 mircea_popescu: then filing complaints with the lot.

00:43:32 mircea_popescu: it just... it doesn't fit in my head.

00:43:39 mircea_popescu: i wish we had had something like this when i was a kid.

00:43:57 BingoBoingo: State court indictments are a pain, typically involve going to actual courthouse or subscribing to expensive service like Westlaw and praying they sent someone to the courthouse already.

00:44:46 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how would that work ?

00:45:21 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you know full well the result, '17yo charged with self-exploitation and besmirching the honourable name of a servant of the crown'

00:45:36 mircea_popescu: step A. get list of phone numbers of everyone. step 2. get all the 100+ sluts you know taking nude pics of themselves. step 3. having same send said pics with appropriate text to the 1.

00:45:48 mircea_popescu: step d. have 2 file complaints against 1.

00:46:01 mircea_popescu: 100 * say 10k = 1mn counts for the system to sort through

00:46:13 asciilifeform: there will be no sorting, and no trials.

00:46:14 mircea_popescu: i don't care what "the result" is.

00:46:32 BingoBoingo: Whatever Obama jacked off a fish on CNN, that's beastiality

00:46:39 mircea_popescu: wouldja stop presenting as fact things you have literally no idea about ?

00:46:50 mircea_popescu: when's the last time you spoke to a judge ?

00:46:58 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not recently.

00:47:11 mircea_popescu: so then why and wherefore!

00:47:12 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but this scheme strikes me as far too obvious to be doable and not-yet-done.

00:47:22 mircea_popescu: not a very good heuristic.

00:47:32 asciilifeform: the other thing being that somebody has to indict.

00:47:32 mircea_popescu: up to 2001 airplane bomb would have striken you idem

00:47:48 asciilifeform: actually the airplane bomb was abundantly obvious since when, 1944 ?

00:47:54 mircea_popescu: and so ?

00:48:09 mircea_popescu: heck, the japanese even deployed them as a military weapon.

00:48:11 asciilifeform: aha

00:48:15 asciilifeform: hence 1944

00:48:24 asciilifeform: (iirc a few in '43 even)

00:49:08 mircea_popescu: so yes, we both see that this could readily be done, and we both see it's not done. i wonder in amazement, you posit a "because". i dun think your position's reasonable.

00:49:44 asciilifeform: so let's see if i grok this, somebody is to indict, e.g., warren buffet, or clitler, over spam sent by some anonymous schmuck ?

00:49:51 mircea_popescu: and on the balance of evidence, it's more likely the 17 yo in question have serious autism issues. because they similarly can't talk to girls and so forth.

00:50:05 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why not ? there's a complaint, there'sd proof. what else.

00:50:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36884 @ 0.00071825 = 26.4919 BTC [+] {4}

00:50:43 mircea_popescu: and besides, who cares abnout eiother of these two. you just taker the whole plum book and execute it all.

00:51:13 asciilifeform: wake me up when the pots of oil are boiling and the tickets are on sale

00:51:30 mircea_popescu: yes, it's probable they'd come up with some sort of "doesn't count", but should be fun to see nevertheless.

00:52:13 mircea_popescu: anyway, what i question is, the imbecile adolescent population that is not hard at work breaking the society they live in.

00:52:17 mircea_popescu: it's unconscionable.

00:52:37 asciilifeform: their 'don't count' works in the same way as in all times and places. kennedies can gf after gf, and no one indicts, corzine et al can steal $maxint, etc.

00:52:38 mircea_popescu: no fucking idea who'd even want to fuck them, that broken.

00:52:55 asciilifeform: *kennedies can drown

00:53:40 mircea_popescu: too much ex post facto in this. kennedy yes, nixon no, clinton yes, petreus no, etc.

00:54:06 asciilifeform: the ones who walked with cia - yes

00:54:08 mircea_popescu: how come the woman can lose state secrets via inept emailing, and is ok, the guy can't talk to some random socially-acceptable whore

00:54:10 asciilifeform: chewed at the straps - no.

00:54:24 *: mircea_popescu dun buy it.

00:55:34 mircea_popescu: i mean it's just as ex post facto as previously, you just hid it under a rug. srsly, "chewed at straps" ? you just call it that retrospectively.

00:55:40 asciilifeform: the annointed are forgiven pecadillos like murder or grand embezzlement

00:55:51 asciilifeform: show me a bonesman in jail.

00:56:06 mircea_popescu: we had this with rockefellers in camps, you are barred from using the line ever again.

00:56:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52600 @ 0.00071917 = 37.8283 BTC [+] {3}

00:56:29 asciilifeform: all you found was a run-down 'wine-making branch of the family' rothchild

00:56:36 mircea_popescu: this is why you're barred :D

00:56:51 mircea_popescu: your argument was to the name, i delivered the name. it's unsalvageable.

00:58:34 mircea_popescu: incidentally - every time they let a woman near secrets it blew up. there's rice. there's nuland. there's clinton. that's almost all of them.

00:58:41 mircea_popescu: you'd think they'd learn women do not belong at state.

00:59:09 asciilifeform: this among other reasons is why there are no women near interesting secrets.

00:59:13 asciilifeform: on either side of the atlantic.

00:59:44 mircea_popescu: i wonder wtf it is, you'd expect they be better than men, generally speaking.

01:00:01 asciilifeform: theoretically, but you have to build'em a nunnery

01:00:07 thestringpuller: what about that chick who was in mossad...

01:00:09 mircea_popescu: just going by the "there's more wives with secret children than men at any given point"

01:00:12 asciilifeform: this is why i play in my head with the idea of an all-chick meta-nsa.

01:00:28 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform which'd work for the usg rather than for alt-mp because why.

01:00:36 asciilifeform: for no reason.

01:01:03 asciilifeform: just as an imaginary loch ness monster can listen to bbc vs voice of america for no entirely good reason.

01:01:29 mircea_popescu: haha. no such equality irl.

01:02:43 asciilifeform: anyway we're imagining a physical army vs underground cells, so it stands to reason that it would work for a geographic sovereign

01:02:55 asciilifeform: somewhere.

01:03:57 asciilifeform: see the 'fortress' discussion.

01:04:19 asciilifeform: and i will say that an entity without si fabbing capability is no meta-nsa regardless of what else.

01:04:29 asciilifeform: and si fab requires a fortress.

01:04:42 asciilifeform: fortress - nukes.

01:04:57 asciilifeform: nukes - captive industrial base to parasitise.

01:07:16 mircea_popescu: yeah that's totally how it worked for batman too

01:08:15 mircea_popescu: irl, "physical army" never works for thios purpose. what you get is, at best, private manning

01:08:25 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: i assume you're referring to "The Dark Knight Returns".

01:08:36 mircea_popescu: btw, am i the only one that finds it funny that some dude whose name was MANning decided to be a woman ?

01:08:53 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller isn't batman this derp with a fortress ?

01:09:02 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i get that humint can be done entirely via 'hashishim' dissolved in planet at large, etc. but build me one single z80 this way.

01:09:27 mircea_popescu: meta-nsa builds z80s ?

01:09:29 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: ah I see. more of a cave. always thought superman was the one with teh "fortress"

01:09:41 asciilifeform: meta-nsa has to be sovereign over own tools of thought.

01:09:43 thestringpuller: irrelavant tho sorry

01:09:52 asciilifeform: or not worthy of the name.

01:10:03 mircea_popescu: but... this is a biological impossibility.

01:10:17 asciilifeform: how's that?

01:10:21 mircea_popescu: your brain is borrowed, not owned.

01:10:33 mircea_popescu: it, principally, concerns itself with other matters.

01:11:39 asciilifeform: brain is not the gold standard, aha. there is a reason why 'mentats' are creatures of imagination and we compute with machines whenever the least bit possible.

01:11:59 mircea_popescu: but the point is, as your brain's not "sovereign" in this sense, no computer ever will be, and there goes that line.

01:12:22 asciilifeform: what is meant by sovereign here is plainly obvious

01:12:26 mircea_popescu: not so.

01:13:41 asciilifeform: is this where we do the 2013 thread re: whether a fully-knowable computing machine is possible, all over again ?

01:13:58 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-hour-of-reckoning/

01:13:59 assbot: The Hour Of Reckoning on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KNFRFX )

01:14:04 asciilifeform: or that.

01:14:10 mircea_popescu: what " has to be sovereign over own tools of thought" ?

01:14:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24600 @ 0.00071987 = 17.7088 BTC [+]

01:15:03 asciilifeform: reasoning inductively, from 'any intelligence org that runs winblows on wintel is a joke'

01:16:06 mircea_popescu: by this reasoning, real spies could never be caught dead in drag.

01:16:10 mircea_popescu: because hey. joke.

01:17:58 asciilifeform: is mircea_popescu just testing how much sophistry i can take before i have to go and change gas mask canister ?

01:18:31 mircea_popescu: sophistry is necessarily positive. i'm merely denying.

01:18:50 asciilifeform: !b 2

01:18:51 assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0FM2NJR.txt )

01:18:55 *: asciilifeform falls down

01:19:16 *: asciilifeform brb

01:19:18 mircea_popescu: there is a difference!

01:52:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23198 @ 0.00071529 = 16.5933 BTC [-]

02:12:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00070492 = 2.6082 BTC [-]

02:16:33 asciilifeform: https://cryptome.org/2015/09/mccollum-001.pdf << lettre de cachet lulz

02:16:38 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1XncpM2 )

02:18:11 asciilifeform: ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/09/journalists-arrested-on-terrorism-charges-in-turkey-for-using-crypto-software

02:18:13 assbot: Journalists arrested on terrorism charges in Turkey for using crypto software | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1XncK1d )

02:18:13 gribble: The operation succeeded.

02:18:41 asciilifeform: 'Three journalists working with Vice News have been charged with "engaging in terrorist activity" on behalf of ISIL (ISIS), because one of them used encryption software. A Turkish official told Al Jazeera: "The main issue seems to be that the [journalists'] fixer uses a complex encryption system on his personal computer that a lot of ISIL militants also utilise for strategic communications."'

02:18:48 asciilifeform: ^ no detail on ~what~, afaik.

02:19:09 asciilifeform: gonna guess it's 'jihadcrypt' or whatever that idiocy was called.

02:19:48 pete_dushenski: "For students seeking to make some extra bucks to pay for tuition, Pornhub may be able to help. The adult video website is offering a $25,000 scholarship to a legal age college student who likes making others happy. "

02:20:31 pete_dushenski: except... "We will not seriously consider anyone if they include explicit material in the video," Pornhub Vice President Corey Price said via email.

02:20:32 trinque: maybe also in part, they're trying to protect the ISIS/Turkey connection

02:21:04 trinque: general attempt to discourage on-the-ground journalism?

02:21:29 asciilifeform: http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/08/im-now-an-estonian-e-resident-but-i-still-dont-know-what-to-do-with-it << a related lul from same fishwrap. mandatory non-pgp signatures in whole muppet country, aha.

02:21:30 assbot: I’m now an Estonian e-resident, but I still don’t know what to do with it | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1XndlA5 )

02:21:30 pete_dushenski: http://www.pornhub.com/cares/scholarship <<

02:21:31 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Xndm6Y )

02:21:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26140 @ 0.00070452 = 18.4162 BTC [-]

02:23:35 asciilifeform: '

02:23:37 asciilifeform: The difference: it is legally binding under .EE law. Not like the loose PGP.'

02:24:16 asciilifeform: inevitable 'embrace & extinguish', just as with bitcoin.

02:29:31 mircea_popescu: heh.

02:30:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58573 @ 0.00069196 = 40.5302 BTC [-] {3}

02:33:08 asciilifeform: related, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-10-2014#883640

02:33:08 assbot: Logged on 19-10-2014 18:20:02; asciilifeform: one reason why they push fingerprints and similar crap is the 'prima facie' concept

02:33:29 ag3nt_zer0: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-09-2015#1262093 << they aren't in such bad company: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8sI5WekW78

02:33:29 assbot: Logged on 04-09-2015 00:13:31; shinohai: pete_dushenski: Nope, worse. My parents became Evangelical Christians. "Jews for Jesus" if you will.

02:33:30 assbot: Gotta Serve Somebody - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1XnfMmc )

02:34:00 pete_dushenski: 'video not available'

02:34:21 ag3nt_zer0: ooops

02:34:23 ag3nt_zer0: sec

02:34:57 phf: seems like they pulled a lot of dylan tracks

02:35:01 ag3nt_zer0: pete_dushenski hmmm working on my end...

02:35:51 pete_dushenski: prolly an html5 thing then. i dun use flash.

02:36:09 pete_dushenski: or ip or something

02:36:14 trinque: ag3nt_zer0: kinda what I meant about "command structure" in teh logs

02:36:20 trinque: pete_dushenski: I'm yielding to your point here, I think.

02:36:27 trinque: re: desert gods

02:36:41 pete_dushenski: trinque: aha that old gem !

02:36:47 trinque: that they have the thought of serving someone or something is some kind of first step

02:37:01 trinque: pete_dushenski: it continues to yield fruit, this tree

02:37:05 pete_dushenski: for log readers : http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/15/good-morning-isis/

02:37:06 assbot: Good Morning ISIS. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1UvZh38 )

02:38:38 pete_dushenski: trinque: was something in particular inspiring this reflection ?

02:39:17 phf: came up when i started trash talking american christians

02:40:42 trinque: pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261756 << begins more or less here

02:40:42 assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 19:47:36; trinque: these gun-toting christians hate socialism, so I like them just fine

02:41:15 trinque: relatedly I am ending my current tour in the pac NW for a time, headed back to TX

02:41:22 trinque: and it's causing me to reflect on what I left behind in TX

02:41:54 BingoBoingo: http://www.theonion.com/article/dennys-market-researcher-emerges-focus-group-shake-51241

02:41:55 assbot: Denny’s Market Researcher Emerges From Focus Group Shaken After Finding Out What Americans Really Want For Breakfast - The Onion - America's Finest News Source ... ( http://bit.ly/1UvZALf )

02:42:23 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That one's going to take a bit.

02:42:25 pete_dushenski: trinque: 'there's no place like home' (tm)

02:42:55 trinque: and does one ever leave

02:43:24 pete_dushenski: watch, mircea_popescu will try chengdu for a year then move back to romania.

02:46:36 trinque: hehe

02:46:41 trinque: ag3nt_zer0: got me on dylan now, good job

02:47:02 trinque: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIXIBE9INTg

02:47:03 assbot: Slow Train - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1UvZXpc )

02:47:34 asciilifeform: unrelatedly,

02:47:49 asciilifeform: is anyone here able to locate M. Greenberger, 'Method in randomness,' Comm. ACM 8 (1965) ?

02:48:07 ag3nt_zer0: trinque: oh man... slow train... I bow

02:48:22 ag3nt_zer0: incredible stuff

02:49:22 ag3nt_zer0: I have been making it a point to go see dylan every time he comes by the gay area for the last 6-7 years... probably seen him 5-6 times in that stretch

02:50:27 ag3nt_zer0: one time I saw him during his monio league baseball park tour with willie nelson and john mellancamp

02:50:53 trinque: sounds like a great show

02:51:56 ag3nt_zer0: and I just thought that the fact that he had shed his fanbase skin so many times resulted in a nice blend of people - christians, hippies, old school folkies, some rockers haha whatever

02:52:30 deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] What it’s like to be poor. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/03/what-its-like-to-be-poor/

02:52:36 ag3nt_zer0: left behnd the detritus and have people there who just are happy he shares his trip with them - honestly

02:54:44 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: there's plenty of poor v. rich dialogue in this latest contravex for ya

02:54:51 ag3nt_zer0: trinque: yeah it was... mellancamp brought it that night... it was his 14 year old sons bday or something and he brought him out to play bass or something it was a good time

02:55:32 ag3nt_zer0: not a huge mellancamp fan but he works hard up there and he does have some great tunes

02:55:57 phf: trinque: i agree with you though, i'm judging by central pa, northern maryland, which is not necessarily the cities, but still within the sprawl.

02:57:05 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-09-2015#1262290 << yours for $15 (pdf though) https://dl.acm.org/purchase.cfm?id=363827&CFID=542942868&CFTOKEN=64707750

02:57:05 assbot: Logged on 04-09-2015 02:47:49; asciilifeform: is anyone here able to locate M. Greenberger, 'Method in randomness,' Comm. ACM 8 (1965) ?

02:57:07 assbot: Purchase: Method in randomness ... ( http://bit.ly/1XnkG2w )

03:03:54 trinque: phf: could amount to nothing, but that part's not much up to them

03:16:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76318 @ 0.0006968 = 53.1784 BTC [+]

03:20:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99129 @ 0.0006968 = 69.0731 BTC [+]

03:21:06 funkenstein_: Re: Method in Randomness <-- well I'd never heard of "deepdyve", where do they find gnomes to work on this kind of bullshit? They gave me 5 minutes to "view" the article (in crippled form) in exchange for a fake email.

03:24:25 phf: “Whoa! It's like Spotify but for academic articles.”

03:24:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23567 @ 0.00069143 = 16.2949 BTC [-]

03:25:39 ag3nt_zer0: trinque: austin?

03:27:47 trinque: ag3nt_zer0: lived there for a time, yep. grew up in the Houston burbs

03:28:05 phf: i don't know understand why everything needs to be made so idiotic. i mean, what is this, making your 50 years of scientific research hip? you know, for the kids.

03:34:03 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-09-2015#1262303 << if i wanted to send money to copyrasts i know where to do it

03:34:03 assbot: Logged on 04-09-2015 02:57:05; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-09-2015#1262290 << yours for $15 (pdf though) https://dl.acm.org/purchase.cfm?id=363827&CFID=542942868&CFTOKEN=64707750

03:34:12 asciilifeform: but i'd rather put it in a pyre, and light it

03:34:16 asciilifeform: and put on 'youtube.'

03:35:08 ag3nt_zer0: any thoughts on this? https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2015/09/03/renee-graham-kim-davis-follows-footsteps-george-wallace/4Hqsf6bhQoXMwhjLu0cMLO/story.html

03:35:09 assbot: Renée Graham: Kim Davis follows the footsteps of George Wallace - The Boston Globe ... ( http://bit.ly/1EECkc6 )

03:35:26 ag3nt_zer0: shitstorm?

03:35:35 mircea_popescu: <phf> i don't know understand why everything needs to be made so idiotic. << heh.

03:36:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83928 @ 0.00070306 = 59.0064 BTC [+] {3}

03:36:07 funkenstein_: look it's like a paper shredder

03:36:07 asciilifeform: snorestorm.

03:36:07 funkenstein_: https://docs.deepdyve.com/doc_repo_server/get-image/WwqJ0002Ec/1/4?t=1441340311&p=1&a=full&key=lJJiF9OvIRGdMQa0TNRglEOR8BY.&u=1060463&tp=3&pr=1

03:36:09 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1EECmAJ )

03:36:13 ag3nt_zer0: haha

03:37:56 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-09-2015#1262299 << all i see is old logz

03:37:56 assbot: Logged on 04-09-2015 02:54:44; pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: there's plenty of poor v. rich dialogue in this latest contravex for ya

03:39:09 asciilifeform: and i laugh out loud re: pete_dushenski thinking that my stash of junk is 'capital goods'. all of it put together wouldn't buy an old car.

03:39:24 asciilifeform: it is 'capital goods' strictly in the sense that a beggar's shoes are.

03:41:14 mircea_popescu: can i buy it for the price of an old car ? :D

03:41:26 asciilifeform: l0l

03:41:39 asciilifeform: after i'm dead it will be sold per pound, prolly for much less than old car.

03:41:59 asciilifeform: if anyone even bothers.

03:42:11 phf: in other words over ascii's dead body

03:43:51 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/03/what-its-like-to-be-poor/#comment-28738

03:43:53 assbot: What it’s like to be poor. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1EECHDN )

03:44:13 funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1262070 <-- ???

03:44:13 assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 23:18:36; fluffypony: cazalla: it's not even me, Africans don't want Bitcoin because they're quite happy dealing in cash and not paying tax

03:47:23 trinque: did seem like it doesn't follow..

03:50:08 wilbns: also, in kenya, for example bitcoin doesn't provide much utility beyond what m-pesa already does. the current area companies like bitpesa are trying to get traction are in remittances (where one party doesn't have m-pesa because they're outside the country), or by pitching it as a speculative financial instrument or novelty.

03:50:43 asciilifeform: kenyans need bitcoin like they need gunn diodes.

03:51:32 funkenstein_: wilbns, uh.. just curious what do you think the point of public coin is?

03:51:56 trinque: asciilifeform: yeah, isn't that it doesn't provide utility, but not to *them*

03:52:50 mats: jesus the hp 16c goes for 200+

03:52:59 asciilifeform: i got mine for around 200.

03:53:32 wilbns: funkenstein_: hey, sorry, i don't understand your question.

03:54:21 asciilifeform: mats: https://archive.org/details/hp-16c_handbook << manual.

03:54:23 assbot: HP-16C Computer Scientist Owner's Handbook : Hewlett-Packard : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1EEDcO2 )

03:54:33 funkenstein_: i mean, if m-pesa already does everything we need, what's the point of using bitcoin?

03:54:43 mircea_popescu: not we. them.

03:55:16 asciilifeform: mats: read it before you buy, know what you're getting into.

03:56:47 *: funkenstein_ expects maths to work rather similarly on any continent

03:56:51 mats: at 200 apiece i think I'll pass for nao

03:57:28 asciilifeform: mats: frustrating, ikr? there's maybe $2 worth of material in there.

03:57:51 asciilifeform: thing could be produced today for toy store price

03:57:58 asciilifeform: but it cannot be had.

03:58:34 asciilifeform: at some point, they won't exist at ~any~ price.

03:59:15 asciilifeform: each one that someone spills coffee on, is one less.

04:00:05 mats: if only there was another cs calculator on the market

04:00:20 asciilifeform: mats: afaik there never was, before or since.

04:00:35 mats: pencil it in for s.nsa project #88

04:00:42 asciilifeform: there were (and are) abominations where ops like the ones on 16c ~could be~ accessed ten menu keystrokes in

04:00:42 mats: for good luck

04:01:21 asciilifeform: mats: don't expect that it would cost any less than those vintage 16c if i were to make it.

04:01:36 mats: kickstarter it is

04:01:58 asciilifeform: the place where they separate idiots from their money ?

04:02:07 asciilifeform: iirc there was even a calculator-themed one, at some point.

04:04:13 asciilifeform: http://www.swissmicros.com << found a vendor claiming to sell a clone

04:04:15 assbot: SwissMicros.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1JS4nRb )

04:04:19 asciilifeform: mats et al ^

04:05:07 mats: I dun see any good android imitations of this concept

04:05:10 asciilifeform: they made them microscoping, for some reason

04:05:27 asciilifeform: *microscopic

04:05:33 asciilifeform: mats: these appear to be actual calculators, not emulated

04:05:40 mats: guess I'll pencil it in at the bottom of my programming projects

04:05:52 asciilifeform: or wai wat

04:05:55 asciilifeform: were they ?!!

04:06:07 asciilifeform: l0k i'm a chump.

04:06:10 asciilifeform: fake.

04:06:20 asciilifeform: retardedly fake

04:06:24 asciilifeform: they are stickers for pNohe.

04:06:51 phf: i'm actually confused by that site

04:07:02 asciilifeform: or are they?!

04:07:05 *: asciilifeform also confused

04:08:00 phf: nah, at $200 price <body style="margin: 0px"><img style="-webkit-user-select:none; display:block; margin:auto;" src="http://www.swissmicros.com/photos_nov2012/DM-41_pouch+back_large.png"/body

04:08:03 asciilifeform: ok it appears that they are physical calcs

04:08:08 phf: copy paste fail

04:08:14 asciilifeform: but with removable stick-on keypads to imitate various hp machines.

04:09:03 asciilifeform: http://www.retrothing.com/2014/11/dm-swiss-made-calculators.html << review.

04:09:04 assbot: Retro Thing: Boutique Swiss Made Calculators ... ( http://bit.ly/1JS4Liv )

04:09:31 mats: >t its heart, this calculator is an emulator of the HP-15C (running on an ARM processor, although a different family from what HP is using in the ARM-based current-production 12C and the 15C Limited Edition), and therefore has largely the same feature set and user interface as a real 15C.

04:09:39 asciilifeform: but i fucking hate chiclet keyboards.

04:09:42 mats: a different review

04:10:14 asciilifeform: hilarious, how 'swiss' now means laughable knockoff crud

04:10:21 wilbns: funkenstein_: maybe m-pesa could utilize the tech for more efficient settlement of transactions. if someone just wants to send money to grandma or someone else in the next town, though, it's a bit of a hassle to suggest bitcoin. unless one party already has it, then they can sent it to bitpesa and they'll deliver it to the m-pesa number. if neither party has

04:10:21 wilbns: it, you're talking about a minimum of 2-3 days to acquire the BTC, pass KYC/AML, etc. probably could have spent 20-30 minutes to just go to an m-pesa teller.

04:10:39 asciilifeform: 'has largely the same feature set and user interface as a real 15C' << ahahahahahaha no.

04:10:55 asciilifeform: i suppose word 'same' now means 'we say it is the same, and you, cattle, will eat it up because fuck you'

04:11:11 funkenstein_: wilbns, the point is - m-pesa guys can issue as many as they want. it's private and counterfeitable

04:12:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73840 @ 0.00072079 = 53.2231 BTC [+] {3}

04:13:41 wilbns: funkenstein_: yes, but most people on the street don't care as long as their money is worth the same today as it is yesterday and they can still go buy a relative equivalent of whatever with it tomorrow.

04:13:58 wilbns: as it was yesterday*

04:14:31 funkenstein_: wilbns, if so, this applies as well in switzerland

04:16:34 trinque: the point here isn't to package bitcoin into some easily inserted suppository for everyone

04:16:46 trinque: to the extent that they comprehend what it does, great, use it

04:17:02 funkenstein_: aye

04:17:10 asciilifeform: mats: http://kd7dvd.us/other/edc/mamabear-16c.jpg << right hand side: the real thing. left hand side: the piece of shit

04:17:11 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JS5z6Z )

04:17:48 asciilifeform: mats: this may not be obvious from the picture, but the buttons on the actual 16c are legit separate pieces of plastic, with clickers

04:18:13 asciilifeform: on the clone, they are printed on.

04:18:42 asciilifeform: it is not hard to see why this is so.

04:18:59 asciilifeform: it was made, almost certainly, by 'some guy' and injection molding co$$$$$$ts.

04:19:11 mats: lol 18th ID challenge coin for scale

04:19:18 asciilifeform: and 'nobody can tell the difference, right ??!!'

04:20:01 phf: "guys, guys, there's this guy in dc who's going to be real upset"

04:20:11 asciilifeform: l0l

04:20:13 trinque: !b 4

04:20:14 assbot: Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3F9XZW0.txt )

04:20:23 trinque: ^ kakobrekla will fix :p

04:20:33 asciilifeform: actually the comments on one of the earlier links were 'it works but i wish it had keyboard'

04:20:50 mats: s/regiment/ID

04:21:22 mats: I think I'll get one, never considered how useful it would be until now

04:21:42 asciilifeform: mats: the legend i was told re: 'challenge coins' is that they were issued in lieu of the 'last bullet' that americans used to slam on barroom stools in vietnam

04:22:06 asciilifeform: one-upsmanshiping one another by carrying larger and larger rounds, up to antiaircraft cannon shells,

04:22:16 asciilifeform: which would sometimes go off from being slammed and take off a whole hand..

04:22:48 mats: I have heard this, didn't believe it

04:23:11 asciilifeform: not so believable, but beautiful story.

04:23:30 asciilifeform: hard to imagine a more precious possession than 'the last bullet'

04:23:34 mats: I've thrown away every coin I ever got.

04:26:42 mats: only memorabilia I have left are my sapper skill books, MREs, a single uniform set, and a buncha kia bracelets

04:26:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63300 @ 0.00070778 = 44.8025 BTC [-]

04:30:21 asciilifeform: mats: kia bracelet is something like a set of 'dog tags' ?

04:31:19 mats: http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/9/3/hungary-prime-minister-says-muslims-not-welcome-amid-refugee-crisis.html

04:31:20 assbot: Hungary Prime Minister Says Muslims Not Welcome | Al Jazeera America ... ( http://bit.ly/1JS70T0 )

04:31:55 mats: asciilifeform: memorial bracelet, yes

04:32:18 asciilifeform: memorial?

04:32:23 asciilifeform: i thought it was to have your own name on it.

04:32:35 asciilifeform: to be picked up by burial detail

04:33:14 mats: they're different items

04:34:27 mats: but yes that is what tags are for

04:34:56 asciilifeform: everyone knows what tags are for. but bracelet is something else ?

04:35:06 asciilifeform: made with dead friend's name ?

04:35:07 mats: some RC dudes would slip one into a boot and wear the other around their necks

04:35:16 mats: yes

04:35:18 asciilifeform: ah.

04:35:28 phf: "Adjusting your approach trajectory in the event of catastrophic landing processor failure. p. 23 HP-16c manual"

04:36:08 mats: one in the boot in case ied rendered corpse visually unidentifiable l0l

04:40:11 trinque: cheaper than body armor?

04:40:41 trinque: I guess that doesn't help much with a good IED

04:41:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31800 @ 0.00072268 = 22.9812 BTC [+] {4}

04:43:44 mats: not in the slightest

04:45:30 mats: good ied doesn't kill, anyway, just maims a few dudes

04:47:52 wilbns: mats, you're military?

04:47:52 mats: more expensive to enemy, and now you need four dudes to drag one asshole and all his gear at 2km/hr while in contact

04:48:23 mats: formerly

04:51:03 wilbns: was in new york a while back and at the airport, there were maybe a couple dozen guys, they all look like they just graduated high school. all w/ manila folders in hand, waiting, heading off to boot camp - all making small talk w/ one another. looked like they didn't know each other very well. was imaging how there lives were going to change and wondering if

04:51:03 wilbns: it would be overall positive or negative

04:52:49 mats: spoiler: peacetime mil blows

04:53:59 wilbns: their*

04:57:13 trinque: mats: the concussion is pretty bad too right?

04:57:18 trinque: want to say I watched a docu about that

04:57:41 trinque: lemme rephrase "pretty bad", the concussion is a big part of the internal damage

04:58:51 mats: yes, overpressure fucks you up

05:15:30 pete_dushenski: back from watching 'dumb and dumber'

05:15:36 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/03/what-its-like-to-be-poor/#comment-28743

05:15:37 assbot: What it’s like to be poor. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1hFRR0y )

05:19:53 pete_dushenski: and with that, time for sleep

05:20:09 pete_dushenski: ad libitum :P

05:21:41 mats: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/federal-eye/wp/2015/09/03/nearly-1-million-veterans-have-pending-applications-for-health-care-at-the-va-and-a-third-may-already-be-dead/

05:21:43 assbot: Nearly 1 million veterans have pending applications for health care at VA — and a third may already be dead - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1hFStDt )

05:27:35 thestringpuller: cazalla BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/0PJHP1N.txt

05:28:42 mats: https://www.reddit.com/r/CredibleDefense/comments/3hgwtz/xpost_rsyriancivilwar_atgms_in_syria_five_months notbad

05:28:44 assbot: [X-post /r/syriancivilwar] ATGMs in Syria: Five Months of Missile Strikes Saps Syrian Military Strength : CredibleDefense ... ( http://bit.ly/1hFToDG )

05:45:43 deedbot-: [Qntra] XT Node Blacklists Fail to Prevent DDoS Attack - http://qntra.net/2015/09/xt-node-blacklists-fail-to-prevent-ddos-attack/

05:46:13 BingoBoingo: ^ thestringpuller

05:48:38 phf: asciilifeform: you know if midnight commander has something like su or sudo vfs?

06:21:26 cazalla: soz thestringpuller, looks to be that BingoBoingo got to it first

06:25:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18400 @ 0.00072155 = 13.2765 BTC [-]

06:48:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33200 @ 0.00072332 = 24.0142 BTC [+] {3}

06:52:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78600 @ 0.00072399 = 56.9056 BTC [+] {5}

07:02:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 147950 @ 0.00072502 = 107.2667 BTC [+] {4}

07:49:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28200 @ 0.00072155 = 20.3477 BTC [-]

07:50:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19900 @ 0.00072155 = 14.3588 BTC [-]

08:33:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2508 @ 0.00072629 = 1.8215 BTC [+] {2}

08:34:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75242 @ 0.00072896 = 54.8484 BTC [+] {3}

09:11:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34800 @ 0.00072966 = 25.3922 BTC [+] {2}

09:13:12 deedbot-: [Qntra] Bitcoin Mining Difficulty Continues Growth Streak - http://qntra.net/2015/09/bitcoin-mining-difficulty-continues-growth-streak/

09:30:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40500 @ 0.00072604 = 29.4046 BTC [-]

09:37:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37102 @ 0.00072481 = 26.8919 BTC [-]

09:53:36 mircea_popescu: "While I agree that not everyone is bad, I'll suggest that the number of bad people involved in bitcoin so far exceeds the number of bad people in other organizations that the whole system isn't working. I'm starting to consider whether people were wrong about the "decentralization" issue. Is it possible that decentralization was tried, and it is being proven right now that it simply doesn't work because the system bec

09:53:36 mircea_popescu: omes centralized with evil people?"

09:53:41 mircea_popescu: this is so fucking cute.

09:58:07 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-09-2015#1262399 << "passing aml/kyc" for dealing with money is like passing the astrology test to go to the hospital. yes some unfortunate souls stuck in retarded, abusive communities do that.

09:58:07 assbot: Logged on 04-09-2015 04:10:21; wilbns: it, you're talking about a minimum of 2-3 days to acquire the BTC, pass KYC/AML, etc. probably could have spent 20-30 minutes to just go to an m-pesa teller.

10:01:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48900 @ 0.0007295 = 35.6726 BTC [+] {3}

10:01:25 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-09-2015#1262457 << he gets it. i guess from experience. http://fraudsters.com/2015/strategy-for-the-antisocial-struggle/

10:01:25 assbot: Logged on 04-09-2015 04:47:52; mats: more expensive to enemy, and now you need four dudes to drag one asshole and all his gear at 2km/hr while in contact

10:01:26 assbot: Strategy for the antisocial struggle. on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JAwmEP )

10:03:05 mircea_popescu: the way modern warfare works, you don't want planes and regular soldiers. you want missiles and partisans. and you don't aim to kill the enemy, you aim to maim as many as possible and encourage them to keep coming. the situation where US population is up 200mn and US war invalid population is up 50mn is a greater win for isis than the situation where the us population is 0.

10:08:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26500 @ 0.00072267 = 19.1508 BTC [-]

10:09:03 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-09-2015#1262479 << not afair.

10:09:03 assbot: Logged on 04-09-2015 05:48:38; phf: asciilifeform: you know if midnight commander has something like su or sudo vfs?

10:15:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90876 @ 0.00072154 = 65.5707 BTC [-] {3}

10:56:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3259 @ 0.0007177 = 2.339 BTC [-]

11:00:12 jurov: http://themindunleashed.org/2015/09/cocaine-production-plummets-after-dea-kicked-out-of-bolivia.html

11:00:14 assbot: Cocaine Production Plummets After DEA Kicked Out of Bolivia | The Mind Unleashed ... ( http://bit.ly/1LZywoe )

11:12:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67023 @ 0.00072501 = 48.5923 BTC [+] {4}

11:13:20 mircea_popescu: to everyone's surprise, usg is the main driver of all things the usg "fights against".

11:20:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3550 @ 0.00072741 = 2.5823 BTC [+]

11:42:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94600 @ 0.00072201 = 68.3021 BTC [-] {2}

12:00:54 deedbot-: [fraudsters] MPEx (S.MPOE) August 2015 Statement - http://fraudsters.com/2015/mpex-smpoe-august-2015-statement/

12:29:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 46025 @ 0.00002248 = 1.0346 BTC [-] {2}

13:03:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48981 @ 0.0007195 = 35.2418 BTC [-] {2}

13:27:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54059 @ 0.00071975 = 38.909 BTC [+]

13:33:17 *: asciilifeform writes broadcast

13:34:24 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-09-2015#1262479 << why would you want to ?

13:34:24 assbot: Logged on 04-09-2015 05:48:38; phf: asciilifeform: you know if midnight commander has something like su or sudo vfs?

13:39:57 shinohai: I thought mc switched you to a terminal and asked for pass when you input sudo commands.

13:41:45 asciilifeform: mc runs ~in~ a terminal

13:41:50 asciilifeform: where you could have su'd prior

13:42:01 asciilifeform: ergo i see absolutely no reason for it to have a built-in su

13:42:31 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu et al: http://qntra.net/2015/09/xt-node-blacklists-fail-to-prevent-ddos-attack/#comment-51035

13:42:32 assbot: XT Node Blacklists Fail to Prevent DDoS Attack | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1JH0sKb )

13:46:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97618 @ 0.00071575 = 69.8701 BTC [-] {5}

14:20:30 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu you've got mail

14:20:30 gribble: The operation succeeded.

14:31:47 *: asciilifeform had an interesting dream as he slept. dreamt that he had occasion, for some reason, to call the cops. they came, and instead of registering whatever complaint (something involving cars) began to fill up his house, room by room, until seemingly no more could fit, but continued to pack, pack, until walls began to crack under the sheer pressure of meat

14:32:33 *: asciilifeform had a tremendous house in this dream, with many spiral staircases, etc

14:35:39 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-09-2015#1262509 << ahahahahaha. they aren't 'kicked out' until 1) they haven't the option of returning, while 2) pharma-grade cocaine is sold for five cents on every street corner in santa cruz, and for export by the million tonnes

14:35:39 assbot: Logged on 04-09-2015 11:00:14; assbot: Cocaine Production Plummets After DEA Kicked Out of Bolivia | The Mind Unleashed ... ( http://bit.ly/1LZywoe )

14:40:14 asciilifeform: usg is a planetary infestation, 'kicked out' is really a feeble and temporary thing.

14:42:04 asciilifeform: usg 'expellas furca, tamen usque recurret' (tm)

15:06:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24828 @ 0.00072412 = 17.9785 BTC [+]

15:33:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78400 @ 0.00072495 = 56.8361 BTC [+] {3}

15:43:39 phf: su/sudo vfs would be handy for copying files between users without having to adjust permissions or escalate to superuser. one pane is user foo, other pane is user bar. doesn't matter if foo's pane is in 700 folder, and if you were to copy, file will be created as belonging to user bar, with his umask applied

16:23:43 funkenstein_: ;;google that's what happens when you call the cops

16:23:45 gribble: Call the Cops - Rob Hustle ft. Bump - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlY9C6pzxKc; Anarchast Ep. 148 Rob Hustle: This is What Happens When You ...: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldNWOpxTADg; This is what happens when you call the cops! - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOL8p61xuwM

16:29:43 funkenstein_: nice article thanks jurov. "I'll take Regulatory Capture for 400 millies, Alex"

16:34:38 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol i wouldn't be too worried about it.

16:34:50 mircea_popescu: there's no university free hitman service

16:42:22 mircea_popescu: hearn being around makes me not even miss armandi or taaki all that much.

16:42:40 mircea_popescu: bitcoin gotta have a total lolcow at all times lest it collapses into itself.

16:54:41 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

17:09:49 ascii_field: http://bost.ocks.org/mike/hive << interesting (requires graphical www browser)

17:09:50 assbot: Hive Plots ... ( http://bit.ly/1FnJMmW )

17:10:08 ascii_field: (source: https://github.com/mbostock/d3/wiki/Gallery )

17:10:10 assbot: Gallery · mbostock/d3 Wiki · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1FnJQmB )

17:11:42 ascii_field: http://www.brightpointinc.com/interactive/political_influence/index.html?source=d3js << 'wot'

17:11:44 assbot: Political Influence Data Visualization D3.js ... ( http://bit.ly/1FnJX1z )

17:12:20 ascii_field: http://www.koalastothemax.com << toy.

17:12:21 assbot: Koalas to the Max dot Com ... ( http://bit.ly/1N7MQK8 )

17:13:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36600 @ 0.00072532 = 26.5467 BTC [+] {3}

17:14:34 ascii_field: http://www.findtheconversation.com/concept-map << yet another 'wot'

17:14:35 assbot: Concept map ... ( http://bit.ly/1N7N3gp )

17:16:05 ascii_field: lastly, http://www.whodotheyserve.com << lizardz!

17:16:07 assbot: WhoDoTheyServe.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1N7Nes9 )

17:23:18 BingoBoingo: ascii_field mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2015/09/xt-node-blacklists-fail-to-prevent-ddos-attack/#comment-51115

17:23:19 assbot: XT Node Blacklists Fail to Prevent DDoS Attack | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1N7O0oW )

17:26:28 ben_vulpes: why do we never discuss java?

17:26:48 BingoBoingo: Because Hearn discusses Java

17:27:09 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

17:27:14 ascii_field: ben_vulpes: discuss, discuss

17:27:55 jurov: some ppl are allergic to it

17:28:20 ben_vulpes: so java has an asym library, does that shell out to gpg as well?

17:28:32 ascii_field: ben_vulpes: i don't know and don't care

17:28:38 ascii_field: i will not keep java on my systems.

17:28:41 ascii_field: and nobody can make me.

17:29:00 ben_vulpes: great, but why?

17:29:23 ben_vulpes: and who's making you keep python and perl on your systems?

17:29:26 ascii_field: because the entire ecosystem of it is a kind of zoo for idiots and their idiocies

17:29:36 ascii_field: make cobol look good

17:29:40 ascii_field: much less perl

17:30:33 funkenstein_: ben_vulpes, which java, which library?

17:31:29 trinque: I personally know I'll never have a clear picture of what the VM and the machine underneath are doing *while* writing a program

17:31:41 trinque: thing's huge

17:32:24 ben_vulpes: "fits in head" is a realistic goal with python, perl and cpp?

17:32:26 funkenstein_: see "bedrock"

17:32:46 trinque: ben_vulpes: nah but they're smaller

17:32:59 ben_vulpes: (or ruby...)

17:33:00 trinque: cpp maybe not so much smaller

17:33:15 BingoBoingo: C can fit in head

17:33:15 trinque: ben_vulpes: and yes this whole thing runs into pragmatism vs pure science, no?

17:33:21 funkenstein_: http://50noticias.com/2015/08/ahh-yaaa-roban-banco-en-la-castellana-y-se-llevan-solo-impresoras/ <-- nice story on a couple of levels

17:33:23 assbot: ¡AHH YAAA! Roban banco en La Castellana y se llevan solo impresoras - 50noticias.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1N7PeRc )

17:33:59 trinque: ben_vulpes: python's probably riddled with holes everywhere somebody wrote a shoddy python c module

17:34:04 funkenstein_: I always considered java to be like "C++ for dummies"

17:34:16 trinque: I'd expect Java is also fucked along that border, among other places

17:34:18 ascii_field: i will neither write nor read java. not even for money.

17:34:35 ascii_field: (strictly for weaponized exploitation - might)

17:34:40 trinque: the "native method interface" thing

17:35:20 *: ben_vulpes wonders what it must be like to feel so strongly about programming languages

17:35:46 ascii_field: actually it is less about languages and more about the people who used them.

17:36:10 ben_vulpes: "i'll cut stainless, but you keep that piece of shit al off my machines"

17:36:34 funkenstein_: the language is the lexicon

17:37:00 ascii_field: the language, in this case, is not just a language but an ecosystem with unavoidable exposure to the work of many previous users

17:38:00 trinque: yeah I do get really scared when say leiningen pulls down five hundred java modules of questionable origin, when I've worked in Clojure in the past

17:38:24 trinque: dependency hell like when you install gnome, and get dildoctl shoved up your ass

17:38:55 trinque: there are probably many packages you could all but guarantee are in the vast majority of java projects

17:39:34 ascii_field: the real question is why should i even consider the matter. because i can't really see why i should not also consider flossing my teeth with barbed wire, if considering java.

17:39:51 ascii_field: they seem like equally meritorious ideas.

17:40:27 ben_vulpes: > dildoctl

17:40:50 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-09-2015#1262596 >> more like 'keep that caked dog shit with plutonium shavings off my machines'

17:40:50 assbot: Logged on 04-09-2015 17:36:10; ben_vulpes: "i'll cut stainless, but you keep that piece of shit al off my machines"

17:40:51 ben_vulpes: how is python not barbed wire?

17:41:00 ascii_field: python is just plain piano wire

17:41:16 ben_vulpes: enough with the floppy metaphors!

17:41:42 ascii_field: ben_vulpes: let's get to the matter, if you would like to rewrite 'v' in sed and awk, go ahead. i was not equal to the task.

17:42:00 ascii_field: they are cleaner, more well-defined items than python, yes.

17:42:36 ben_vulpes: the 'dsl' so produced by their use is not in any sense legible, however.

17:42:41 ascii_field: aha.

17:42:43 trinque: bash olympics, which somehow reminds me of the BME olympics

17:43:22 ben_vulpes: two 'clean', 'well-defined' items whose use produces code that is illegible.

17:43:55 ascii_field: when i did it, at any rate.

17:43:57 trinque: python's fine; guy needs some tests is all

17:44:00 ascii_field: perhaps ben_vulpes can make it legible.

17:44:07 trinque: and then you could use the tests to rewrite later

17:44:14 trinque: ben_vulpes: I recommended testing!

17:44:15 ascii_field: trinque: no, ben_vulpes has a point, python sux

17:44:32 ascii_field: trinque: but i was unable to find a suitable replacement for this item.

17:44:41 trinque: I am painfully aware of teh suck of python

17:45:04 trinque: two options I see are ball o' bash or CL

17:45:06 ascii_field: perl was the only serious candidate, and if ben_vulpes would like to attempt a cleaner version (!) in it, i'm all ears.

17:45:18 *: funkenstein_ admits java was mother tongue, still finds himself translating in head from other languages

17:45:24 ascii_field: as for cl, a unix tool with multi-second startup times is not usable here.

17:45:30 trinque: yeah true

17:45:42 trinque: was thinking re: the DSL comment

17:45:54 trinque: I think python is a fair choice given the circumstances

17:46:35 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=25-04-2015#1110883

17:46:35 assbot: Logged on 25-04-2015 22:06:38; asciilifeform: to paraphrase mircea_popescu article, if christ saves in java - let me go straight to hell.

17:47:25 ben_vulpes: ascii_field: any changes i'd make would produce higher linecounts.

17:47:43 ascii_field: ben_vulpes: this is fine if you're adding a useful knob

17:47:52 ascii_field: e.g., file histories

17:47:59 *: ben_vulpes is not convinced that brevity is the be all and end all.

17:48:02 ascii_field: (display changes to particular file)

17:48:10 ascii_field: ben_vulpes: there are two kinds of brevity

17:48:15 ascii_field: one is perl-brevity, a false god

17:48:25 ascii_field: where one measures nonwhitespace characters strictly

17:48:37 ascii_field: the other kind is conceptual mass

17:48:45 ascii_field: which ~is~ the one true objective.

17:48:51 ascii_field: after correctness.

17:49:38 trinque: nothing particularly pisses me off about v.py

17:49:47 trinque: looks like it's formatted like a guy who likes CL might

17:50:15 ascii_field: speaking of, one useful knob would be sexpr output.

17:50:42 trinque: I don't use classes in python if I can avoid it, nor many other parts of the language

17:50:46 ascii_field: another would be graphviz output.

17:51:16 deedbot-: [Qntra] Many Network Appliances Leak Master TLS Private Keys Through "Forward Secrecy" - http://qntra.net/2015/09/many-network-appliances-leak-master-tls-private-keys-through-forward-secrecy/

17:51:17 ascii_field: ^ this one is actually necessary and if no one else does it, i will. but can't promise ~when~.

17:52:45 trinque: I could hack on that this weekend

17:53:00 trinque: and maybe do some general tidying

17:53:16 trinque: or if ben_vulpes wants to, sounds fine too

17:53:59 ascii_field: ideally, each 'bubble' would be clickable and contain links to download patch and all signatures

17:54:12 ascii_field: (this would be hosted on a wwwtronic thing similar to turdatron, presumably)

17:57:23 ascii_field: 'Cavium has issued a patch and noti-

17:57:23 ascii_field: fied all customers (CVE-2015-5738) that

17:57:23 ascii_field: are using older SDK 2.x Cavium Cryptographic

17:57:23 ascii_field: Software under Linux on older

17:57:23 ascii_field: OCTEON II CN6xxx Hardware with details

17:57:24 ascii_field: of the vulnerability. OCTEON II

17:57:26 ascii_field: running Simple Exec (SE-S) applications

17:57:28 ascii_field: and OCTEON III CN7xxx processors are

17:57:32 ascii_field: not affected.'

17:57:34 ascii_field: l0l

17:58:28 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

17:58:37 ascii_field: Run Moar Closed Crypto Turdz

17:59:10 ascii_field: Use Moar American Standardz

18:01:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42800 @ 0.0007257 = 31.06 BTC [+] {3}

18:02:11 ascii_field: 'We observed one rather peculiar factorization of a RSA modulus, involving factor 23. What happened was that the public key in the X.509 certificate was corrupted in some (there was a bit flip, according to the server operator), and equation (1) accidentally revealed the factor 23. The corrupted modulus had other small factors, too, and a large composite factor with an unknown factorization.'

18:02:27 ascii_field: ^ guess who and what isn't cited in this paper, l0l

18:04:01 ascii_field: 'Some servers occasionally or consistently produce ServerKeyExchange messages which contain RSA signatures which are zero. Encoding of the number zero varied. In some cases, zero or one bytes were transmitted. Sometimes the length of the signature matched the size of the RSA modulus. The latter suggests that the server implementation may have omitted the copy of the computed signature. This could happen if RSA-CRT

18:04:01 ascii_field: hardening detects a faulty signature, does not write the result to a caller-provided buffer, returns an error.'

18:04:07 ascii_field: ^ k0000sm1k rayzz !!

18:13:03 thestringpuller: Maybe there is hope yet:

18:13:03 thestringpuller: Bitcoin is good for storing wealth in a deflationary, censorship resistant way. It is not very good for mainstream retail usage (yet).

18:13:06 thestringpuller: Yes, Bitcoin will go up in value just by people holding it. That's how commodities work. I don't see anyone "using" gold.

18:13:09 thestringpuller: i consider myself part of the internet mob

18:13:12 thestringpuller: I could tell as soon as I read the nonsense you post about Blockstream

18:15:30 mats: bitcoin is not deflationary, will never be useful for 'mainstream retail usage', and does not intrinsically 'go up in value just by people holding it'

18:29:19 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

18:29:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48936 @ 0.00072438 = 35.4483 BTC [-]

18:33:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65681 @ 0.0007238 = 47.5399 BTC [-] {5}

19:33:44 mats: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/09/pwn2own-loses-hp-as-its-sponsor-amid-new-cyberweapon-restrictions

19:33:45 assbot: Pwn2Own loses HP as its sponsor amid new cyberweapon restrictions | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1L9RH9i )

19:34:31 shinohai: O.o wow

19:37:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21239 @ 0.00072372 = 15.3711 BTC [-]

19:43:35 mats: http://strategypage.com/htmw/htairfo/articles/20150904.aspx

19:43:36 assbot: Warplanes: ISIL Adopts Chinese UAVs ... ( http://bit.ly/1Xrhxij )

19:44:11 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

19:44:17 ascii_field: mats: toy store hardware

19:44:29 mats: its all toy store hardware, man

19:44:45 ascii_field: mats: not that it can't fly a frag. sop in donbass.

19:46:02 mats: my boss was a master instructor for the raven, 'military-grade UAS'

19:46:39 mats: piece of shit would fall out of the sky a quarter to third of the time it was flown

19:46:56 ascii_field: mats: what was nominally 'military' about it, other than the cost ?

19:48:58 mats: what qualifies as 'military'? i don't believe the army operates any uas with arms

19:49:19 ascii_field: i do not know

19:49:25 ascii_field: but mats did say 'military-grade'

19:51:03 jurov: in quotes

19:51:42 ascii_field: one example of 'military' feature would be, say, guidance via laser (or something else the opponent can't jam with $5 of components)

19:51:57 mats: interesting features, i guess, might include repeaters, a gimbaled payload (expensive camera and sensors)

19:52:12 ascii_field: or perhaps a little cup in which to stuff a frag with the spoon out

19:52:23 ascii_field: and a solenoid to squeeze it back out on command

19:52:35 ascii_field: *with the pin out

19:53:22 ascii_field: or, hell, clamps for a 'claymore'

19:53:30 ascii_field: use imagination.

19:54:45 mats: as far as i know the army only operates drones to surveill and recon

19:55:38 mats: afaik usn/usaf programs are the ones that kill people via rc

20:01:09 mats: http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2015/09/aqim-highlights-attack-on-un-troops-in-mali.php

20:01:42 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

20:05:01 mats: http://strategicstudiesinstitute.army.mil/pubs/display.cfm?pubID=1270

20:05:03 assbot: A Hard Look at Hard Power: Assessing the Defense Capabilities of Key U.S. Allies and Security Partners ... ( http://bit.ly/1Xrlpjp )

20:05:18 mats: doesnt look good for nato

20:07:23 mats: european nato has a pathetic number of aircraft

20:11:24 mats: from the foreword: 'In short, at a time when the United States needs the most help, the prospects for receiving it, with the exception of a few allies, look more worrisome than at any point since perhaps the immediate aftermath of World War II.' - COL (Ret.) Lovelace

20:12:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22578 @ 0.00072741 = 16.4235 BTC [+]

20:19:44 BingoBoingo: http://cen.acs.org/articles/93/i35/Another-Neurodegenerative-Disease-Linked-Prion.html << More evidence that chirality and rotation matter when we search for a new planet

20:19:46 assbot: Another Neurodegenerative Disease Linked To Prion Mechanism | September 7, 2015 Issue - Vol. 93 Issue 35 | Chemical & Engineering News ... ( http://bit.ly/1JHUrNb )

20:21:10 BingoBoingo: Also http://media.npr.org/assets/img/2015/09/03/ap_520239149091_wide-228d7d439dae264b8a80e01f4457b50d9b00cdaa-s1100-c15.jpg << Stingray

20:21:10 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JHUybt )

20:51:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18950 @ 0.00072741 = 13.7844 BTC [+]

21:25:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26400 @ 0.00072746 = 19.2049 BTC [+] {3}

21:26:18 mats: ;;isup log.-a.link

21:26:18 gribble: log.-a.link is down

21:26:23 mats: ;;isup log.b-a.link

21:26:24 gribble: log.b-a.link is up

21:26:30 mats: ;;isup log.bitcoin-assets.com

21:26:32 gribble: log.bitcoin-assets.com is up

21:28:25 mats: ;;isup coinbr.com

21:28:26 gribble: coinbr.com is up

21:29:30 shinohai: \o/ now if i only had btc to trade with the mermaids!

21:31:42 mircea_popescu: hey, anyone wanna do a sepa paymenbt for me ? coupla k's.

21:34:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83789 @ 0.00072334 = 60.6079 BTC [-] {2}

21:34:58 mats: coinbr doesn't look up from over here

21:35:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10061 @ 0.00072266 = 7.2707 BTC [-] {2}

21:36:18 mircea_popescu: hm logs really laggy for some reason

21:36:40 shinohai: same here mats coinbr not loading

21:37:05 mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/bundles/rhrsa.txt holy shiot

21:37:06 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1O2UvtY )

21:37:42 mircea_popescu: dude...

21:39:26 kakobrekla: hm works here

21:39:30 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bingoboingo i must point out qntra is in fact satisfying its job as a news site. I get news thgere.

21:39:31 gribble: The operation succeeded.

21:40:27 shinohai: heh I get "under maintenance" page on my direct ip, and endless load from vpn

21:40:59 trinque: endless load over here re: coinbr

21:41:14 shinohai: T_T

21:41:14 mircea_popescu: curl: (52) Empty reply from server

21:41:15 mircea_popescu: * Closing connection #0

21:41:23 mircea_popescu: ^ logs

21:42:54 shinohai: !s Andrew Miller scam

21:42:55 assbot: 10 results for 'Andrew Miller scam' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=Andrew+Miller+scam

21:43:19 shinohai: d'oh

21:44:35 kakobrekla: logz http://dpaste.com/397P3PT.txt

21:44:36 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1O2Vpqu )

21:44:38 mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> great, but why? << this is a complex point and would require some more indepth discussion to do it justice. in summary to my eyes it is an early attempt by the microsoft citatel to parlay compatibility problems of early linux into a "here, we've strangled it" usg solution. it failed to work irl, and the failure of java is torvalds' chief merit in this world. using it today is not unlike using ripple. you'r

21:44:38 mircea_popescu: e a ridiculously quaint figure stuck on the long sunk battleships of the past.

21:45:00 mircea_popescu: sorta like being an uk citizen. seriously, in 2015 ? why not be a hittite while you're doing anachronisms.

21:45:22 shinohai: https://www.umiacs.umd.edu/about-us/news/mc2-doctoral-student-spreads-his-wealth-bitcoin-knowledge <<< signed up for your coursera course, watched 5 lectures and felt dumber than when I went in.

21:45:24 assbot: MC2 Doctoral Student Spreads His Wealth of Bitcoin Knowledge | UMIACS ... ( http://bit.ly/1O2VwCe )

21:45:28 mircea_popescu: sure, one can pretend that "well, it's a country." if one wants to. but for foreigners, no, it isn't. it was an empire and now it's nothing. not even a hole.

21:46:00 mircea_popescu: why don

21:46:17 mircea_popescu: t we use ecc ? or pki ? they're "perfectly functional solutions" that "other people" have "come to expect" blablabla.

21:46:34 mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> and nobody can make me. << gotta love republican thought!

21:48:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44284 @ 0.00072755 = 32.2188 BTC [+] {2}

21:50:14 mircea_popescu: !up ascii_modem

21:50:28 ascii_modem: log dead?

21:50:47 mircea_popescu: apparently. is a paste by kako above, i have my own copy too

21:51:06 ascii_modem: above lol

21:51:18 mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/397P3PT.txt

21:51:19 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1O2Vpqu )

21:51:31 ascii_modem: ty

21:51:35 mircea_popescu: mp

21:52:15 mircea_popescu: and here's mine. http://dpaste.com/28MEH3A

21:52:16 assbot: dpaste: 28MEH3A ... ( http://bit.ly/1O2Wlez )

21:52:53 kakobrekla: this works ? https://archive.is/XoLUq

21:52:55 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log ... ( http://bit.ly/1O2Wnmw )

21:53:31 mircea_popescu: "El periodista Daniel Colina inform? por medio de su cuenta en la red social Twitter inform? que el Banco de Venezuela ubicada en La Castellana fue robado el pasado 10 de agosto en horas de la noche, los maleantes solo se llevaron las impresoras y televisores del lugar."

21:53:32 mircea_popescu: win lmao

21:53:43 mircea_popescu: (robbed bank in venezuela, thieves took printers and tvs)

21:53:48 trinque: log loaded over here

21:54:01 mircea_popescu: loaded here too.

21:54:21 mircea_popescu: them rays are strong today, better do less global warming for bitcoin mining!

21:54:25 ascii_modem: and here.

21:55:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75400 @ 0.00072266 = 54.4886 BTC [-]

21:55:02 trinque: my car was smashed-n-grabbed two nights ago, stole that 4u I picked up and some other computers, guitars, etc

21:55:04 trinque: left all my books!

21:55:10 trinque: that gave me quite a lol

21:55:10 ascii_modem: they took their sweet time, installing that splice...

21:56:10 mircea_popescu: ascii_modem kinda why the venezuela bank story is so lulzy. look at this picture worth 1k words : http://50noticias.com/portal/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Banco_de_Venezuela_Punto_Fijo_0011.jpg

21:56:12 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1O2WI8P )

21:56:24 ascii_modem: dead link

21:56:27 mircea_popescu: this is how a bank looks in the united states of america now. and in the future.

21:56:34 mircea_popescu: "Sin impresora para tr?mites agencia del Banco de Venezuela La Castellana tras robo ocurrido hace 8 d?as."

21:57:00 mircea_popescu: takes 8+ days to replace stolen printers in venezuela, takes 8+ minutes to do a splicing in us.net, etc.

21:57:56 mircea_popescu: ascii_modem for the maybe related tinfoilhat category : http://logs.minigame.bz/2015-09-04.log.html#t21:22:17

21:57:56 assbot: #Eulora log for Friday, 2015-09-04 ... ( http://bit.ly/1O2WTAU )

21:58:06 mircea_popescu: eulora was also unreachable across teh atlantic apparently.

21:58:42 mircea_popescu: <funkenstein_> the language is the lexicon << this is beyond naive and absolutely never the case.

22:00:11 mircea_popescu: i never ever spoke any russian, with anyone, pre b-a, because no, russian is not "the vocabulary", but principally the set of historical russians. between tolstoy and hruschev not so much to pick.

22:01:05 ascii_modem: sorta what i tried to explain to ben_vulpes

22:01:09 mircea_popescu: and i suspect pretty strongly that the interest in romanian such as it is is because ~I~ speak it, here as well as in my harem and anywhere else genuine interest exists for this particular item in the "crappy language pack".

22:01:15 mircea_popescu: not because it rhymes and aliterates well.

22:01:36 mircea_popescu: in short, without "acest articol are avantajul aliteralitatii alaturi", romanian doesn't even aliterate. at all.

22:01:46 shinohai: trinque: if you are like me, stealing a man's guitar is akin to stealing his woman

22:01:49 ascii_modem: 'ru i will learn only because... it was spoke by lenin'

22:02:16 trinque: shinohai: the acoustic had sentimental value, dad bought it for me.

22:02:23 trinque: but whatever, enjoy crackheads

22:02:30 trinque: wtf are they going to do with a storage server anyway

22:02:35 shinohai: Porque la guitarra me toqua, no al reves

22:02:36 trinque: pawn for 50 bucks?

22:03:07 mircea_popescu: 50 bucks is by now a few day's meth

22:03:49 ascii_modem: usually they steal first, ask questions later

22:04:20 mircea_popescu: "hey, what's that big ipad thing ?" "i dunno man, some older version. worth some scratch fo sho"

22:04:30 trinque: yeah, clearly had a truck/van, smashed back window, grabbed all

22:04:54 trinque: hope the 4u fell on someone, fucker was heavy

22:05:17 trinque: on the plus side, less to unpack later; I wasn't going to bring furniture anyway, so these were mostly toys stolen

22:05:29 ascii_modem: trinque: page the thermite squib!

22:05:36 shinohai: trinque: got serial #'s on that ?

22:05:42 trinque: ahaha, well if they plug anything in... I have my ways

22:05:47 mircea_popescu: ascii_modem if they break into his car and thereby lose a hand in the explosion he's going to jail.

22:05:48 trinque: nothing explosive unfortunately

22:05:56 trinque: mircea_popescu: sad state of affairs

22:06:05 mircea_popescu: one of the most fucktarded things the brits gifted the world.

22:06:17 trinque: be reasonable!

22:06:28 trinque: reasonable's you smash a man's car and that's the end of you

22:06:45 trinque: place in town fixed same day in two hours; I was impressed

22:06:50 mircea_popescu: (but in the original context it made a lot of sense. you really don't want to lose an arm because you innocently wandered into what you thought was a shop. because the patrimonial dispute thereby ensuing can be fixed, but the arm can not be reattached.)

22:07:09 ascii_modem: innocent my arse.

22:07:17 mircea_popescu: at the time this was a lot more likely than today.

22:07:32 mircea_popescu: owing to a population 1/20 as large, kept in check by a deeply patriarchical society.

22:07:33 ascii_modem: usg empowers scum as deliberate policy.

22:07:39 trinque: bum wanders into my lawn; he doesn't necessarily deserve to be shot

22:07:49 trinque: stealing half my posessions seems it oughta come with a price though

22:07:53 mircea_popescu: yes, it does, but this should not corrupt our understanding of history, politics, or legal matters.

22:08:26 ascii_modem: 'wanders' through door and into arse

22:09:22 mircea_popescu: ascii_modem if women had thermite up their ass which blew up every time someone grabbed it, ~I~ wouldn't have any arms.

22:09:32 trinque: eh can't just come out blasting; say the guy's looking for his dumb toddler that wandered onto your porch

22:09:55 trinque: mircea_popescu: lol

22:10:08 mircea_popescu: (this event actually happened. splendid ass, /me grabs it, woman turns unamused and asks me what i'm doing, i retort that i'm innocently grabbing your ass, she says don't do that and i say alright.)

22:10:35 mircea_popescu: postcards from a saner world.

22:10:54 trinque: !b 5

22:10:54 assbot: Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1K4GMB3.txt )

22:11:32 mircea_popescu: and yes, much like the "don't thermite" thing, this worked fine in a world 1/50 as small and very deeply patriarchical.

22:11:45 mircea_popescu: but in the us of today this is not feasible, for the same reason email spam is a thing

22:12:12 mircea_popescu: poor girl'd have holes through her butt, finger shaped, and collapse out of sheer exhaust of turning and saying "doin't do that" fifty million times.

22:12:16 ascii_modem: note the difference b/w thermiting a stolen box remotely, and minefield

22:12:34 mircea_popescu: ok, different story.

22:13:31 mircea_popescu: as a kid, /me fambly had a neighbour. one day mom's cooking and i'm computing in other room. door was unlocked (most of my life i lived in a world where locks were not really useful). neighbour blasts in, goes past mom, into room, has a wrench, approaches heating element decidedly

22:13:36 ascii_modem: in usa - both jail. but there is a difference.

22:13:41 mircea_popescu: then he turns to me and goes "what the fuck have you done to it ?!?!"

22:13:47 trinque: shinohai: yeah I have pictures of the relevant stickers with all that, but don't give a siht

22:13:51 mircea_popescu: and im lioke what and he's like it's fixed and then is like "oooooh"

22:13:53 trinque: server was 125 or w/e

22:13:56 mircea_popescu: had gone one flight too many in his anger.

22:13:57 trinque: guitar is long gone

22:14:18 trinque: all can be replaced

22:15:25 mircea_popescu: trinque coupla hundred are certainly cheaper than shooting some derp.

22:15:32 shinohai: I'm quite sad for you trinque because a similar situation occurred to me. Losing an instrument to someone that loves music as I do is akin to losing a limb.

22:15:41 trinque: eh I don't cry over that shit

22:15:46 trinque: just commenting on the scum about

22:15:49 trinque: mircea_popescu: indeed

22:15:54 mircea_popescu: shinohai i think unlike most music lovers, he knows he stinks.

22:16:05 shinohai: xD

22:16:26 trinque: yeah I'm total shit on the guitar

22:16:28 trinque: hehe

22:16:39 shinohai: I am too

22:16:48 trinque: just chords and having fun, is all it was for

22:17:36 mircea_popescu: nothing about womenz and panties in there whatsoever. i'm sure.

22:17:41 trinque: nah never

22:17:41 mircea_popescu: o nm, you did say "fun"

22:17:48 trinque: heh, indeed

22:17:59 shinohai: Music is the ambrosia of the soul and all that. When one is drunk, one rarely cares if it is fine wine or swag.

22:18:46 mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> ^ guess who and what isn't cited in this paper, l0l << omfg that is FUCKING RIDICULOUS.

22:25:17 shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-09-2015#1262837 <<< neither would I have a pollon

22:25:17 assbot: Logged on 04-09-2015 22:09:22; mircea_popescu: ascii_modem if women had thermite up their ass which blew up every time someone grabbed it, ~I~ wouldn't have any arms.

22:28:55 mircea_popescu: <mats> bitcoin is not deflationary, will never be useful for 'mainstream retail usage', and does not intrinsically 'go up in value just by people holding it' << the first point is true in the objective. it is however "relatively deflationary" in the sense that to the rocket, all things seem to be sinking ; 2 is an obscure point of the future but seems likely correct ; 3. is outright false. willingness to hold === value

22:28:55 mircea_popescu: . end of story.

22:29:36 mircea_popescu: jurov sent an email to the ml ~5 mins ago, i don't see it on http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-September/thread.html any idea why ?

22:29:37 assbot: The BTC-dev September 2015 Archive by thread ... ( http://bit.ly/1O30G12 )

22:33:02 mircea_popescu: <mats> european nato has a pathetic number of aircraft << nato is basically european-wide greece for military issues. specifically this : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=02-09-2015#1259766

22:33:02 assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 14:16:12; assbot: Logged on 10-12-2014 00:51:50; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu had an article (or perhaps a thread here? but can't seem to find it...) about an archetypical u.s. expat. fellow keeps a pub somewhere in thailand, or cambodia, etc. the locals - drink for free. he fancies that if he begins to run out of dough, he can always start charging. but somehow in the back of his head he knows what will happen to his sorry

22:33:44 mircea_popescu: !up anono

22:34:31 *: mircea_popescu falls into an alf-style rage over the ml thing.

22:34:54 mircea_popescu: the friability of this thing, whereby i did something, i didn't observe the expected result, and don't know what to do is driving me fucking bonkers.

22:35:06 trinque: I'm still waiting on being able to switch out of "digest" mode

22:38:56 mircea_popescu: to doubleckeck here : email to the address, had a plaintext as 1st attachment and detached sig as 2nd attachment/

22:38:59 mircea_popescu: amirite ?

22:44:09 trinque: and signed message body?

22:57:38 mircea_popescu: no body. wasn't body optional ?

23:01:11 mircea_popescu: !up xinxiwang

23:01:24 xinxiwang: thanks

23:01:38 xinxiwang: the market is calm.

23:01:39 mircea_popescu: aha. who're you ?

23:01:53 xinxiwang: do you still remember coinut.com?

23:02:03 trinque: mircea_popescu: could be; not sure

23:03:38 xinxiwang: did the authentication process change?

23:03:45 mircea_popescu: !s coinut

23:03:45 assbot: 4 results for 'coinut' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=coinut

23:03:51 mircea_popescu: the logs remember.

23:05:36 xinxiwang: nice

23:07:10 mircea_popescu: trinque hm it might have been the armored detached sig o.O

23:08:25 xinxiwang: it seems more quiet than before.

23:09:23 mircea_popescu: ok, for the record : sent it with no body, and with a clearsigned body ; the latter with .asc armored signature and with .sig binary signature. still nothing there.

23:09:36 trinque: huh, maybe the ML's just busted

23:09:48 mircea_popescu: the "with clearsigned body and .sig signature" version is exact replica of the single email i successfully sent to date, back in the days of the V patch.

23:09:49 trinque: as far as I recall that's right

23:09:56 trinque: hm, yeah

23:12:41 *: mircea_popescu gives up

23:12:47 mircea_popescu: we need something to do this.

23:13:02 mircea_popescu: i estimate currently this sort of thing is 99% why we don't get more work submitted.

23:16:59 trinque: maybe becomes a function of the web page viewer for V ?

23:17:36 trinque: or do you mean replacing mailman with another mail thing that works better

23:17:50 mircea_popescu: i have nfi. all i know atm is this does not in fact work as is

23:18:13 *: mircea_popescu thinks about it

23:18:13 trinque: myup

23:18:17 *: trinque departs for now

23:39:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60615 @ 0.0007283 = 44.1459 BTC [+] {2}

23:40:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30935 @ 0.00073164 = 22.6333 BTC [+]

23:51:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31467 @ 0.00073181 = 23.0279 BTC [+] {3}

23:54:25 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: here's how i do it: 1) clearsigned (asciiarmoured) body. 2) attachment 3) signature (asciiarmoured, detached) of attachment, having the filename attach.foo.sig for every attach.foo

23:54:55 asciilifeform: body can also consist of attachment, in the form: 1st attach: body.txt (clearsigned text)

23:55:02 asciilifeform: in fact, if i do it any other way, it dies

23:55:10 asciilifeform: because SOME FUCKTARDATION MUTILATES THE ASCII

23:55:34 asciilifeform: <trinque> maybe becomes a function of the web page viewer for V ? << i am writing one.

23:57:23 asciilifeform: about half done, at this moment.

23:59:37 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and it dun work with binary signature for anything.

23:59:51 asciilifeform: gotta use armoured.

23:59:59 cazalla: #3 or #4 design change for dat bitcoin phoundation https://bitcoinfoundation.org/