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00:16:16 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-11-2015#1314814 << i would not be surprised to discover that "the backbones" are in such state of disrepair/chinification as to not be able to guarantee translation of larger blocks. because hey, "gotta voip!", so everything is wider band but shittier band, and then they have heuristics to sort-of fix the data as best possible, and that best possible is not optimized for your usec

00:16:16 assbot: Logged on 03-11-2015 15:00:42; asciilifeform: i would not be much surprised to discover that plaintext matching the description of a gpg sig is being silently massaged, at random, somewhere in the backbonez.

00:16:16 mircea_popescu: ase, but for netflix usecase.

00:17:04 mircea_popescu: why would you imagine THAT particular aspect of the charade is in so much better shape than all the others ? can'\t fucking compile, right ? why would you be able to tcp/ip ?

00:18:33 mircea_popescu: and re this entire "europe suicide" bs... the eu population is half a billion. there are NOT THAT MANY PEOPLE IN ALL THE MIDDLE EAST! so a few million made it across ? big whoop. so the already marginal worthless white trash is going to have a worse time of it ? GOOD. fuck them, they took arms against their king in the name of convenience, comfort and MUUU then they earnestly expect it'll work out for them ? ha.

00:18:44 mircea_popescu: a little bit of comfort for a short interval and then oblivion. this is how nature works.

00:18:50 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all --currency eur

00:18:57 gribble: Bitstamp BTCEUR last: 373.837804, vol: 77239.76012104 | BTC-E BTCEUR last: 348.95, vol: 427.18736 | CampBX BTCEUR last: 371.2654, vol: 11.60030253 | BTCChina BTCEUR last: 395.46864, vol: 117318.73700000 | Kraken BTCEUR last: 371.0, vol: 28385.100767 | Bitcoin-Central BTCEUR last: 370.0, vol: 497.55590088 | Volume-weighted last average: 384.756959479

00:19:03 mircea_popescu: maybe the slightly browner kids their sisters will have whether they want to or not will have better sense.

00:19:09 mircea_popescu: something tells me they will.

00:19:31 mircea_popescu: the battle for 400, eh BingoBoingo ?

00:19:45 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: For 400 euros

00:20:04 mircea_popescu: the difference is nigligible :D

00:20:13 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

00:20:20 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 411.02, vol: 77229.07498454 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 376.973, vol: 42579.68211 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 413.0, vol: 172230.05428862 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 407.0, vol: 11.60030253 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 432.5298, vol: 117462.04440000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 406.58278, vol: 402.22741974 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 405.557, vol: 497.55590088 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)

00:20:21 BingoBoingo: ;;more

00:20:21 gribble: average: 414.463709678

00:20:37 BingoBoingo: I dunno dollares need a whole second message

00:20:40 *: mircea_popescu can't remember if he had money on the 400 bet or not

00:22:49 BingoBoingo: I cunt remember either

00:29:45 deedbot-: [Qntra] Micon Gets Probation and $25,000 Fine - http://qntra.net/2015/11/micon-gets-probation-and-25000-fine/

00:31:52 mircea_popescu: what was this for, again ?

00:32:01 BingoBoingo: The seal with clubs thing

00:32:06 BingoBoingo: Operating it at all

00:32:09 mircea_popescu: oh, being online as a us citizen ?

00:32:13 BingoBoingo: Yeah

00:32:35 mircea_popescu: hopefully teaches the rest of 'em a lesson.

00:32:42 mircea_popescu: go innovate under the bedsheets, yo.

00:32:49 BingoBoingo: Sure taught me one

00:33:19 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-11-2015#1314824 << suppose instead of picturing, you do that then i can write in qntra about it ?

00:33:19 assbot: Logged on 03-11-2015 15:04:12; asciilifeform: (picture what would happen if you sent them a 'winning entry')

00:33:24 mircea_popescu: not the you you, the general you.

00:36:54 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-11-2015#1314855 <<lmao

00:36:54 assbot: Logged on 03-11-2015 16:49:15; jurov: !t m x.eur

00:37:01 mircea_popescu: k

00:37:02 mircea_popescu: jh

00:37:05 mircea_popescu: uh i meant http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-11-2015#1314854

00:37:05 assbot: Logged on 03-11-2015 16:33:06; *: adlai has exceeded his daily allotment of manual sha1 preimage mining

00:43:59 BingoBoingo: https://sli.mg/7jSWGF.png

00:44:00 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1l6PMNd )

01:28:47 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-11-2015#1314864 << perousal. unless you meant something to do with penis tumescence.

01:28:47 assbot: Logged on 03-11-2015 17:22:25; funkenstein_: also in "noob learning V ropes" news, patches for parousal: http://frass.woodcoin.org/dev/

01:33:35 shinohai: Have I been spelling that wrong all this time? Perusal ?

01:33:38 shinohai: shit

01:34:28 asciilifeform: http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/fishes-eat-psychotropic-seaweed-to-get-high-shows-new-research << l0lz

01:34:30 assbot: Fishes eat psychotropic seaweed to get high, shows new research World News Daily Report ... ( http://bit.ly/1RtTqLl )

01:35:17 shinohai: Now the dea will team uo with noaa and send agents down to confiscate all the seaweed.

01:35:21 shinohai: *up

01:35:29 jurov: shinohai lmaousal

01:37:33 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-11-2015#1315224 << i dun get it

01:37:33 assbot: Logged on 03-11-2015 23:53:33; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-11-2015#1314802 <<->> http://fraudsters.com/2014/how-i-was-wrong-cuckolding-or-a-story-about-sigmas/#selection-711.0-711.64

01:38:33 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315227 << if it were wide-spectrum rot of this kind, the multi-GB turds i routinely move around would suffer bitrot

01:38:33 assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 00:16:16; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-11-2015#1314814 << i would not be surprised to discover that "the backbones" are in such state of disrepair/chinification as to not be able to guarantee translation of larger blocks. because hey, "gotta voip!", so everything is wider band but shittier band, and then they have heuristics to sort-of fix the data as best possible, and that best possible is not opti

01:38:41 asciilifeform: (they do not.)

01:39:50 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315231 << you don't need that many orcs to turn a germany into an england

01:39:50 assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 00:18:33; mircea_popescu: and re this entire "europe suicide" bs... the eu population is half a billion. there are NOT THAT MANY PEOPLE IN ALL THE MIDDLE EAST! so a few million made it across ? big whoop. so the already marginal worthless white trash is going to have a worse time of it ? GOOD. fuck them, they took arms against their king in the name of convenience, comfort and MUUU then they earnestly expect it'll work out fo

01:40:14 asciilifeform: see 'wasp' - how many maniacs does a city need running loose to stop all meaningful commerce..?

01:40:28 asciilifeform: even one can suffice.

01:41:22 asciilifeform: the particulars of the death of europe aside, the 'not so many people' thing boggles my mind. it is not unlike saying 'bullet is so small, how can an elephant die of it?!!'

01:42:34 jurov: first "wasps" from turkey arrived in germany 30 years ago . per your theory, it should lay in ruins already

01:43:40 asciilifeform: from one bullet, elephant visibly thrashed. now let's have ten.

01:45:18 asciilifeform: see also:

01:45:21 asciilifeform: !s rotherham

01:45:21 assbot: 9 results for 'rotherham' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=rotherham

01:46:19 jurov: so? english lords did it, too

01:46:31 asciilifeform: which it

01:46:42 jurov: child abuse

01:46:52 jurov: and catholic teachers in ireland

01:46:52 asciilifeform: afaik they mainly 'did'... each other

01:47:01 jurov: and.. and...

01:47:23 jurov: but i guess this discussion is hopeless, goodnight

01:47:27 asciilifeform: i'll be the last to cry for the english, or for the germans, as they go into the woodchipper

01:47:47 asciilifeform: but does jurov like crossing countries off the map? at the end of the day, one has to live somewhere.

01:48:04 jurov: you do it, not me

01:48:21 asciilifeform: jurov would still agree to move to de ?

01:48:28 jurov: yes

01:48:34 *: asciilifeform takes off hat

01:50:02 mircea_popescu: im bashing rthe seaweed

01:50:38 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what's not to get ? one would set food in the deathtraps for cunt.

01:50:40 asciilifeform: if the fish can, they must!

01:51:01 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ah, this!

01:51:49 mircea_popescu: and the bullet thing is nonsense. immigration only hurts low status males. it helps low status females, and high status everybody.

01:51:57 mircea_popescu: fuck the low status males, who the fuck said they get anything ?

01:52:11 mircea_popescu: if they didn't suck there wouldn'\t be immigration, they'd be out there enslaving africa.

01:52:20 mircea_popescu: they wanna be orwell, that's fine BUT it comes with a dulap and anal lube.

01:52:25 asciilifeform: afaik none of the migrant folks intend to work

01:52:37 mircea_popescu: and what, the "born in germany" derps do ?

01:52:44 mircea_popescu: work at wow, maybe.

01:53:00 asciilifeform: de still has actual industry

01:53:02 asciilifeform: (unlike usa)

01:53:06 mircea_popescu: again : if they had intended to work they would be out there shooting elephants.

01:53:19 mircea_popescu: yeah, it does, on account of romania making the parts. tyvm.

01:53:38 *: asciilifeform dimly aware of this

01:53:42 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: which parts ?

01:54:02 mircea_popescu: pretty much all brake assemblages used in "european" cars made in ro.

01:54:22 asciilifeform: siemens et al make silicon.

01:54:24 mircea_popescu: iirc poland and ukr make the drive trains etc.

01:54:30 mircea_popescu: yeah, in... china.

01:54:34 asciilifeform: nope. in de.

01:54:43 mircea_popescu: for what, prototyping ?

01:54:45 asciilifeform: and, iirc, the only modern cpu plant (amd's) outside of usa proper is in de (augsburg?)

01:54:50 asciilifeform: no cpu in cn.

01:54:51 mircea_popescu: or was.

01:54:55 asciilifeform: (of the x86 variety anyway)

01:55:13 mircea_popescu: anwyay. 100k engineers and techs is not this discussion.

01:55:26 mircea_popescu: 50 mn nobodies derping about "nordic system" up and down is this discussion.

01:55:38 mircea_popescu: germany took the eastern orcs 20 years ago, what did it do ?

01:56:11 asciilifeform: they worked.

01:56:16 mircea_popescu: like hell they did.

01:56:22 mircea_popescu: ask an actual german.

01:56:44 mircea_popescu: worked with the gab.

01:57:06 *: asciilifeform actually saw'em sweeping toilets in frankfurt and munich

01:57:26 asciilifeform: turks, that is

01:57:39 mircea_popescu: turks lol. east germanz.

01:57:43 asciilifeform: ah, them

01:57:46 mircea_popescu: yes them

01:58:00 asciilifeform: those, yes, afaik, sit around being sad.

01:58:31 asciilifeform: which is not entirely the same as rotherhaming

01:58:33 mircea_popescu: how exactly is ein berliner better than شيعي ?

01:58:42 asciilifeform: he doesn't rotherham ?

01:59:07 mircea_popescu: pfff.

01:59:12 mircea_popescu: this is not better. this is worse.

01:59:43 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu sees rotherhaming as an essential public service. i don't grasp this. seems approximately as useful as locusts.

02:00:15 mircea_popescu: understand the fundaments of society : if you're confronted with a group of 100 idiot boys doing idiot shit, you go up to one of them, grab him by the hair and bash his head into a wall until he stops moving. problem solved. if however you run into a group of 100 idiot girls sitting around being weird, you rape one. problem also solved.

02:00:58 mircea_popescu: misbehaviour of the sort described in http://fraudsters.com/2015/how-is-it-the-end/ has its very well documented, well understood, perfectly funtional solution

02:00:59 assbot: How is it the end ? on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1QakFMp )

02:01:01 mircea_popescu: violence.

02:02:42 mircea_popescu: there is a very deep reason black communities do not have the biological collapse problem of "upscale" white communities in the same damned us state / county. no it's not "poverty" and no it's not "fuck da police".

02:02:52 mircea_popescu: it's that violence without recourse is educative.

02:05:27 asciilifeform: speaking of locusts,

02:05:28 asciilifeform: http://i.imgur.com/qyuJVVh.jpg

02:05:29 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1QalsNA )

02:05:29 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-11-2015#1314878 << lotta wishful thinking in there, of the exact sort that was supposed to be a solution for 1970s women.

02:05:29 assbot: Logged on 03-11-2015 17:39:30; funkenstein_: trinque, meaning, if you want my behaviors implanted on future generations... you must have some respect for those who shaped mine, etc.

02:05:32 mircea_popescu: it didn't work for them. maybe it works for you, who knows.

02:05:35 asciilifeform: ^ found this little fella today.

02:05:41 asciilifeform: he's out of season, methinks

02:05:57 mircea_popescu: aww cute

02:07:15 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315354 << expand on this ?

02:07:15 assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 02:02:42; mircea_popescu: there is a very deep reason black communities do not have the biological collapse problem of "upscale" white communities in the same damned us state / county. no it's not "poverty" and no it's not "fuck da police".

02:07:43 mircea_popescu: well, where does it rub ?

02:08:29 asciilifeform: !rated zfx

02:08:29 assbot: You have not rated zfx.

02:08:40 asciilifeform: !rate zfx 1 new blood, lisp

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02:09:12 mircea_popescu: black mothers beat their children. black husbands beat their wives. brothers lay the smackdown on one another all the time, and teenaged females with overactive coyness stand a decent change to get a sweet sixteen gangbang. this all helps to maintain the society functional.

02:09:20 asciilifeform: !v assbot:asciilifeform.rate.zfx.1:bc9c9005043f336af0a6ba4e952ef195291a3023e86906a98ccb238d97b8e95a

02:09:20 assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for zfx with note: new blood, lisp

02:09:33 mircea_popescu: people love to derp about how easter island ecological collapse is an example of this and that,

02:09:46 mircea_popescu: rarely does it occur that "this is what happens when no preditors"

02:10:28 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu posits usa city blacks as examples of 'functional' ?!!

02:10:34 mircea_popescu: yes.

02:10:44 mircea_popescu: guess what ? they have no propblem with immigration.

02:10:49 mircea_popescu: what is your definition of functional ?

02:10:49 zfx: thanks

02:11:34 mircea_popescu: it's what fucking health is. "an organism is healthy when all foreign bodies ingested are food."

02:11:44 zfx: can anyone recommend high-quality starting literature for studying electronics?

02:11:52 asciilifeform: zfx: horowitz & hill

02:12:02 zfx: got that on the way

02:12:05 mircea_popescu: electronics as what, a practical aplication ?

02:12:24 asciilifeform: zfx: but you will need basic school maths. if your education is seriously deficient, you may need forrest mims

02:12:42 zfx: well, I'm interested in some of the cpu reinvention ideas discussed here

02:13:08 mircea_popescu: L. D. Landau and E. M. Lifshitz, Electrodynamics in Continuous Media. hurr.

02:13:08 zfx: asciilifeform: how far is 'basic'?

02:13:26 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: win

02:13:37 mircea_popescu: i dunno what he's asking, what can i say.

02:14:23 mircea_popescu: https://archive.org/stream/ElectrodynamicsOfContinuousMedia/LandauLifshitz-ElectrodynamicsOfContinuousMedia_djvu.txt << free even

02:14:28 assbot: Full text of "Electrodynamics of Continuous Media" ... ( http://bit.ly/1QamPvJ )

02:14:28 asciilifeform: zfx: i must agree with mircea_popescu. thus far we have only the foggiest notion of what it is you'd like to accomplish

02:14:34 mircea_popescu: and in engluish no less.

02:14:52 zfx: asciilifeform: my lack of knowledge is somewhat robbing me of the ability to ask the right question...

02:15:12 mircea_popescu: eh, read that volume 8. can't be you're doing anything more important anyway.

02:15:27 asciilifeform: mega-recommended.

02:15:33 zfx: put it this way, I've spent a pretty long time working with software, but never dug into the hardware as far as I'd like to

02:15:46 mircea_popescu: (read, in the mathematical sense, is a specific thing. do all the work. especially the stuff towards the end of a chapter. ESPECIALLY.P)

02:15:50 zfx: certainly not far enough to read schematics and understand what I'm looking at

02:16:13 zfx: mircea_popescu: thanks, will read

02:16:53 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: perhaps surprisingly, i must take issue with the reductionist approach here. electrodynamics is to 'electronics' as fluid dynamics is to modern plumbing

02:17:02 mircea_popescu: ftr, ee without that is like jd without blackstone.

02:17:13 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform gotta start somewhere!

02:17:14 zfx: can't hurt to understand the fundamentals

02:17:30 *: asciilifeform blows dust off blackstone

02:17:42 mircea_popescu: or pr without cicero

02:17:48 mircea_popescu: or on it goes.

02:18:15 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: most of the time folks asking after 'electronics' 'just want to know' how to arrange the mosfets

02:18:22 mircea_popescu: yeah well fuck them.

02:18:31 zfx: that's not really my style

02:18:48 mircea_popescu: they wanna learn how to arrange mosfets, take a job in a tv repair shop for a summer.

02:19:05 *: asciilifeform doubts there are any discrete fets to be found in a modern tv

02:19:08 asciilifeform: but yes.

02:19:14 mircea_popescu: so go to cairo, take the job there.

02:19:28 shinohai: Guatemala still has old sets :D

02:19:33 asciilifeform: i'd expect sov. tube sets in cairo

02:19:35 *: mircea_popescu has observed person mill cylinder piston replacement by hand

02:19:37 asciilifeform: but perhaps i'm out of date

02:19:48 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: cuba?

02:19:51 mircea_popescu: cairo.

02:20:00 asciilifeform: neato

02:20:53 mircea_popescu: now i regret not buying them a tea

02:21:32 asciilifeform: re: cylinder, it is the lapping rather than the milling that is the tricky bit

02:24:24 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-11-2015#1315017 << with one million gallons of fuel. what ?

02:24:24 assbot: Logged on 03-11-2015 20:13:22; jurov: ascii_field: how do you flamethrower million people?

02:24:31 asciilifeform: aha.

02:24:48 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-11-2015#1315024 << yep.

02:24:48 assbot: Logged on 03-11-2015 20:17:49; ascii_field: or that if a million russians wanted to move in and rape, pillage, there would be the same welcome ?

02:24:48 asciilifeform: consult, e.g., the memoirs of one douglas mcarthur.

02:24:53 mircea_popescu: not "if". was there, saw that.

02:25:31 mircea_popescu: heck, the only reason putin can't get rid of the underworld like stalin did is PRECISELY that back in stalin's day they'd have been shot, but these days... welcomed.

02:25:43 asciilifeform: so nato is a scam ?

02:25:49 asciilifeform: somebody tell jurov.

02:25:49 mircea_popescu: dude seriously.

02:25:53 mircea_popescu: how could it NOT be a scam ?

02:26:04 mircea_popescu: you know romania had better guarantees, in writing, than nato is ?

02:26:05 mircea_popescu: TWICE

02:26:34 mircea_popescu: somehow it was "defeated" both times, notwithstanding that fuck you, bunch of idiots, you don't show up as per deal and then bitch about it five years later ?

02:26:58 mircea_popescu: poland got nearly wiped, on the strength of the same scam, also twice.

02:27:32 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-11-2015#1315028 << the orcs are accepted because if you don't fuck your wife, someone will.

02:27:32 assbot: Logged on 03-11-2015 20:19:08; ascii_field: the orcs are welcome because they spread chaos and destroy the competition of usg

02:27:52 mircea_popescu: end of fucking story, no usg enters into any of it. binary choice, pick one : ( ) man ; ( ) boy.

02:28:01 asciilifeform: and if you don't burn down the church, someone else will ?

02:28:19 mircea_popescu: pretty much.

02:28:27 mircea_popescu: either you burn theirs or they burn yours.

02:28:34 asciilifeform: now this, yes.

02:28:46 mircea_popescu: for as long as italians aren't dropping nerve gas on eritrea,

02:28:56 asciilifeform: 'paris eats couscous'

02:28:57 mircea_popescu: eritreans will be going to rome.

02:29:30 asciilifeform: put in this notation, it is smashingly obvious.

02:29:37 mircea_popescu: mkthen.

02:30:18 mircea_popescu: and bitching notwithstanding, i will point out that this "send the women naked butt first" approach is so far working a lot better than the "we will resist behind the walls of vienna" 1100s stuff.

02:30:20 asciilifeform: iirc they dropped mustard gas

02:30:21 asciilifeform: but yes.

02:30:26 mircea_popescu: arguably a larger migratory wave than that one

02:30:39 mircea_popescu: (recall my discussion of china and how it keeps creating these waves that smash europe ?)

02:30:54 asciilifeform: aha.

02:31:10 mircea_popescu: that's the deep driver here. the us isn't even on the map.

02:31:23 mircea_popescu: china is strongly centralizing again, the nomads are going west.

02:31:32 mircea_popescu: pushing western tribes further west

02:31:48 asciilifeform: as i understand, cn is only involved in the sense that it is impervious to the usg orc-pushing current

02:31:49 mircea_popescu: at least this time they don't have a leader. yet they are very well connected.

02:31:55 mircea_popescu: which is why the politruks are so affraid to move.

02:32:02 mircea_popescu: god fucking help the lot if they do actually get a leader.

02:32:22 mircea_popescu: 100 man "special forces" teams are impressive on tv, owing to the poor quality of the camera as a perception mechanism.

02:32:35 mircea_popescu: but otherwise, the us got wiped, by a smaller force.

02:34:21 asciilifeform: last i heard, it wasn't the chinese who flattened syria

02:34:33 mircea_popescu: o, right, right... it was... wait for it... REBELS

02:34:42 mircea_popescu: herpy derp. the us couldn't recruit 5 of those.

02:34:50 mircea_popescu: how come the fucking rebels were in syria rather than in fucking japan ?

02:34:51 asciilifeform: (though it may well have been cn who airdropped brand new ipnohes)

02:35:08 mircea_popescu: dude. the pakis pushed west.

02:35:35 mircea_popescu: who the fuck do you think flattened syria if not a bunch of hardcore dudes that have been training against the "coallition" scarecrows for a decade ?

02:36:21 mircea_popescu: they don't wanna live in rome, they wanna live in lebanon. they don't like your women, they like those.

02:36:28 mircea_popescu: because much less shit to explain, they mostly get it.

02:37:16 asciilifeform: but in rome/berlin/stockholm there is payola.

02:37:19 mircea_popescu: "isis" is a conveyor belt. it reduces tectonics by moving people west.

02:37:26 mircea_popescu: fuck the payola. you think pashtun wants it ?!

02:37:30 asciilifeform: sure he does.

02:37:40 mircea_popescu: like hell. this is your "usg matters" delusion speaking.

02:37:42 asciilifeform: (or what is he doing in rotherham ?)

02:37:42 mircea_popescu: try it, offer me some.

02:38:12 mircea_popescu: they're different people. the people colonising england and the people beheading us "soldiers" are maybe born from the same mother,

02:38:16 mircea_popescu: but they are different people.

02:42:11 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-11-2015#1315048 << hopefully.

02:42:11 assbot: Logged on 03-11-2015 20:25:14; ascii_field: no worries, the caliphate will rediscover the art of picturesque capital punishment in eu.

02:42:15 mircea_popescu: i'd even consider moving.

02:43:08 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-11-2015#1315070 << this is likely.

02:43:08 assbot: Logged on 03-11-2015 20:41:28; jurov: i suspect it will end up like wwii, it will be *very* different germany as before, but everyone will still envy it

02:43:27 mircea_popescu: the magical thing about societal collapse is that meh, whatever. women are still usable anyway.

02:43:43 asciilifeform: worked great in ptolemaic egypt ?

02:44:01 asciilifeform: (i dare say not)

02:44:13 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-11-2015#1315072 << don't be silly! you're basically arguing ohio state is contiguous with indian ohio.

02:44:13 assbot: Logged on 03-11-2015 20:42:09; ascii_field: jurov: wwii did not involve a population replacement in de

02:44:30 asciilifeform: didn't mircea_popescu confess that he'd much rather have the tall lanky pharaonic folks than the present crop of orcsen

02:44:35 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the greeks weren't enough. that's the thing with them, from anabasis onwards : never fucking enough

02:44:57 mircea_popescu: what i'd rather doesn't enter into it. i would rather the "civilised" world burn than continue.

02:45:13 mircea_popescu: yes, i'd much rather that this burning happens in the consciousness of the derps involved,

02:45:17 mircea_popescu: but fancy the odds of that.

02:47:10 felipelalli: deedbot- http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=n235faWk

02:47:11 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mg6G6g )

02:47:53 mircea_popescu: deedbot- http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=n235faWk

02:47:54 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mg6G6g )

02:48:02 mircea_popescu: trinque is he uypset ?

02:50:46 trinque: there's crap at the end of it, which is probably why

02:51:08 mircea_popescu: oh

02:51:16 trinque: I parse me inputs!

02:51:59 mircea_popescu: good boy!

02:52:16 felipelalli: deedbot- hates me :)

02:52:32 trinque: just hack off that end bit and I expect it will work

02:52:35 mircea_popescu: felipelalli you added stuff at the end

02:52:43 trinque: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/212ATQC.txt

02:52:45 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mg7hox )

02:52:45 deedbot-: accepted: 1

02:52:45 mircea_popescu: !h

02:52:45 assbot: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot

02:52:46 felipelalli: Ah! I'm sorry.

02:52:51 trinque: felipelalli: I just did it for ya :)

02:52:58 trinque: lol!

02:53:29 mircea_popescu: !up Krystyl

02:53:45 mircea_popescu: basically you need a pgp key (do you have one ?) and register it with assbot

02:53:57 felipelalli: trinque, thank you!

02:54:05 Krystyl: do not have one

02:54:16 felipelalli: trinque, but I need that stuff in the end. Should I re-sign the entire message? It will work?

02:54:24 mircea_popescu: Krystyl well then get gpg and make one.

02:55:33 felipelalli: deedbot- http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=UXCFq5gF

02:55:33 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mg7zLT )

02:55:35 deedbot-: accepted: 1

02:55:42 felipelalli: nice! thank you trinque

02:58:28 mircea_popescu: Krystyl are you twitter.com/krystyl incidentally ?

02:58:53 Krystyl: nope not me

02:59:19 mircea_popescu: aite

02:59:46 Krystyl: I think I need to look into this more because I have no idea what pgp & gpg are........

03:00:15 mircea_popescu: are you on windows ?

03:00:39 Krystyl: yes

03:00:40 felipelalli: first step: use Linux! :)

03:00:45 mircea_popescu: lol.

03:00:53 mircea_popescu: what was it, winpgp ?

03:01:02 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: phun phakt: M_DEBUG in gpg-1.4 never worked

03:01:05 mircea_popescu: www.gpg4win.org/ < there we go

03:01:07 felipelalli: In Windows try it: http://www.gpg4win.org/

03:01:08 assbot: Gpg4win - Secure email and file encryption with GnuPG for Windows ... ( http://bit.ly/1iC37et )

03:01:08 asciilifeform: explodes into a fiery hell

03:01:55 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform heh

03:02:49 asciilifeform: the way in which it is written suggests that it ~once~ worked but was mutilated.

03:02:56 asciilifeform: (by whom? i do not know.)

03:03:38 *: asciilifeform replacing the whole bloody mess with own allocator

03:03:50 trinque: felipelalli | nice! thank you trinque << quite welcome

03:04:17 *: asciilifeform laments having to do this

03:05:15 felipelalli: goodbye guys, good to see you again!

03:06:14 mod6: asciilifeform: you wanna give my changes to V a try? http://dpaste.com/0BE564M.txt

03:06:15 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mg8z2O )

03:06:36 asciilifeform: mod6: this looks nifty, sign & post to ml ?

03:06:58 mod6: yeah, wanna test it a bit more before.. but by the end of the weekend for sure.

03:07:14 *: asciilifeform doesn't like running items that no one has signed

03:07:36 mod6: the changes should make it so that you don't need Graph::Easy until you wanna run the "g" or "graph" command.

03:07:41 asciilifeform: cool

03:07:42 mod6: that's fine.

03:08:29 asciilifeform: mod6's 'v' is nice'n'polished

03:10:57 mod6: thx! i'll post this change here as soon as I get everything bundled up and the docs altered.

03:30:28 adlai: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-11-03/that-time-i-tried-to-buy-some-crude-oil "Kaminska insists on paying me by blockchain, the digital ledger system that is currently all the rage on Wall Street."

03:30:30 assbot: That Time I Tried to Buy an Actual Barrel of Crude Oil - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1iC6wKq )

03:31:03 mod6: <+funkenstein_> mod6 ,thanks for the script :D << np

03:32:32 mircea_popescu: that name seems familiar.\

03:41:32 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> you know romania had better guarantees, in writing, than nato is ? << Scammed by "Dallas"

03:41:46 mircea_popescu: howssat ?

03:43:10 deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin to top $600 before Jan 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1216/bitcoin-to-top-600-before-jan-2016/#b37

03:45:55 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That 80's TV show. They didn't want other arrangements. They wanted Texas's loving arms and ended up with a bunch of empty Yankee promises.

03:46:22 mircea_popescu: heh

03:47:32 deedbot-: [fraudsters] The war of the Roses - http://fraudsters.com/2015/the-war-of-the-roses/

03:47:51 BingoBoingo: Allies with planes their existing stock beats in exercises and whatnot

03:49:43 BingoBoingo: !up robotnum1

03:50:33 robotnum1: thank you

03:52:29 BingoBoingo: What brings you around these parts?

03:55:41 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

03:55:51 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 436.07, vol: 81086.89608211 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 393.803, vol: 43587.99041 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 440.0, vol: 183349.6136867 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 425.0, vol: 16.01906461 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 462.650158, vol: 118724.88190000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 415.0, vol: 361.2682475 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 416.252, vol: 537.15643628 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)

03:55:52 BingoBoingo: ;;more

03:55:53 gribble: 440.782865035

03:57:30 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all --currency eur

03:57:37 gribble: Bitstamp BTCEUR last: 397.78497, vol: 81212.59885246 | BTC-E BTCEUR last: 369.47, vol: 445.76416 | CampBX BTCEUR last: 388.025, vol: 16.01906461 | BTCChina BTCEUR last: 423.8038, vol: 118675.86920000 | Kraken BTCEUR last: 390.0, vol: 30793.0272735 | Bitcoin-Central BTCEUR last: 380.0, vol: 537.15643628 | Volume-weighted last average: 409.981740163

03:57:49 BingoBoingo: Seriously nigligible difference

03:59:04 BingoBoingo: 400 euros

03:59:56 robotnum1: so how many of you are short at this moment?

04:01:23 BingoBoingo: Das not a very polite question, but I'm about 5'7"

04:01:30 robotnum1: lol

04:02:56 robotnum1: no one know how long this bubble is gonna last. I wish i knew

04:03:27 robotnum1: or rather where it is gonna do a U-turn

04:04:25 kakobrekla: around the moon, naturally

04:05:20 BingoBoingo: And then to mars

04:05:58 BingoBoingo: Not a U-turn, this isn't Missouri so not legal here. A gravity assisted slingshot.

04:09:48 robotnum1: our of this solar system i suppose

04:09:52 robotnum1: oout*

04:10:00 BingoBoingo: Mebbe?

04:10:44 mircea_popescu: !up wpalczynski

04:11:39 mircea_popescu: <robotnum1> so how many of you are short at this moment? << i would be surprised if anyone is short btc.

04:13:01 BingoBoingo: robotnum1: I've got a movie about market crashes to psych you up if you are short: "My Name is Bill W", has James Woods, not bad for made for tv

04:14:20 BingoBoingo: Related: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=3214

04:14:21 assbot: JL: They Came from Cosmo! ... ( http://bit.ly/1QaFG9O )

04:14:46 robotnum1: no im not short. im undecided

04:15:41 BingoBoingo: Prolly the best movie about the 1929 crash out there

04:16:37 robotnum1: youtubing

04:17:14 BingoBoingo: just torrent it already. Youtube is nothing but flash and google virii orfice

04:20:31 BingoBoingo: !up robotnum1

04:25:34 ben_vulpes: ahaha wut spike lee thinks he's doing lysistrata

04:26:01 asciilifeform: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-11-03/when-a-127-year-old-u-s-industry-collapses-under-china-s-weight << RIP alcoa

04:26:02 assbot: When a 127-Year-Old U.S. Industry Collapses Under China's Weight - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1QaGT0Z )

04:27:42 ben_vulpes: spacey and chappelle!

04:27:57 asciilifeform: what are those ?

04:28:54 ben_vulpes: things that don't exist in your world iirc

04:30:00 asciilifeform: where might one find them ?

04:31:22 ben_vulpes: perhaps google? imdb might tell of them.

04:34:57 phf: spike lee is making a movie with spacey and chappelle? :o

04:43:02 ben_vulpes: anyone know which contravex piece slit the "car reportering" scam open?

04:54:01 BingoBoingo: !up robotnum1

05:05:42 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-11-2015#1314616 << weapons, too

05:05:42 assbot: Logged on 03-11-2015 04:11:28; mircea_popescu: they have fucking names and people sleep with them in bed.

05:05:54 BingoBoingo: !up felipelalli

05:06:25 felipelalli: trinque, do you know why my deed wasn't published yet in deedbot.org? Thank you.

05:06:41 trinque: felipelalli: btcd blew up, actually

05:06:52 trinque: I am not yet sure why; it was accepted though, and also the transaction was sent

05:07:05 trinque: so it will be on the website shortly

05:07:16 felipelalli: ah! ok, thank you!

05:07:20 trinque: no problem

05:08:53 trinque: felipelalli: it is about 20 blocks behind at the moment, so it shouldn't be too long, perhaps an hour

05:11:16 felipelalli: trinque, to avoid blew up due to spam txs put this on config:

05:11:23 felipelalli: minrelaytxfee=0.0003 limitfreerelay=3 sendfreetransactions=0

05:11:53 felipelalli: not sure if it was it, but...

05:12:32 trinque: felipelalli: could very well have been, though I'm going to have to have a talk with runit as to why it wasn't immediately restarted. perhaps it was running slow for a while before death

05:12:44 trinque: I'll look into that for sure, thanks :)

05:13:31 felipelalli: trinque, it worked for me! :)

05:14:19 felipelalli: actually, I just saw right now that my node is also DEAD!! lol

05:14:33 felipelalli: what is going on?

05:15:13 felipelalli: it is weird because I run an instance of testnet and normal node in the same machine and both are dead.

05:15:26 mircea_popescu: heh. alcoa huh

05:16:59 felipelalli: it was unrelated. In my case the HD just crashed. I was using an old external HD :)

05:18:45 felipelalli: It is what looks like when your HD crashes: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Gj6pZ04e

05:18:46 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MGDK9w )

05:21:19 mircea_popescu: "While that?s a big deal for the U.S. industry and the people it employs, it doesn?t mean much for global supplies. Alcoa?s decision to eliminate 503,000 metric tons of smelting capacity accounts for about 31 percent of the U.S. total for primary aluminum, but less than one percent of the global total, according to Harbor."

05:21:27 mircea_popescu: best summary of us importance in the world.

05:25:14 ben_vulpes: zing

05:27:23 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i gotta ask: what in satan's green earth is a raiserist ?

05:27:37 mircea_popescu: someone who raises.

05:28:05 mircea_popescu: you know, awareness raiserists.

05:28:07 *: asciilifeform went on clearly wrong mental path, tried to picture something pertaining to hans reiser

05:28:23 mircea_popescu: but that's reiser not rAiser.

05:28:29 asciilifeform: ah, yes.

05:28:47 *: asciilifeform has been out of bed much too long

05:47:51 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mod6 s/leafs/leaves

05:47:52 gribble: The operation succeeded.

05:50:31 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mod6 in your 'v', gpg doesn't seem to be confined to a temporary state dir !!!?

05:50:31 gribble: The operation succeeded.

05:52:14 asciilifeform: ^ this means that attempts to run with smaller subsets of a wot that was ~ever once~ used on the box - will fail !

05:52:22 asciilifeform: (imported keys will stay imported)

05:52:53 asciilifeform: likewise, any keys imported outside of 'v' will be applied by 'v'

05:53:04 mircea_popescu: that's not so good.

05:53:04 asciilifeform: which is not a thing that you want.

05:53:43 *: asciilifeform is lately in the habit of reading things before running'em

06:02:12 ben_vulpes: code literacy

06:21:57 BingoBoingo: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/04/world/middleeast/ahmad-chalabi-iraq-dead.html

06:22:00 assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nd3bK6 )

06:22:08 BingoBoingo: ^ Godfather of ISIS dead

06:27:42 ben_vulpes: subject of le terror, i rewatched Swordfish last night

06:28:07 ben_vulpes: very amusing that the thing was released on the eve of 9/11

06:28:44 ben_vulpes: halle berry, yo.

06:29:51 mircea_popescu: she's ugly isn't she ?

06:31:09 deedbot-: [cascadian hacker] Inside Apple's perfectionism machine, adnotated - http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/11/03_inside-apples-perfectionism-machine-adnotated.html

06:31:47 BingoBoingo: She goes through phases

06:34:05 mircea_popescu: https://www.quora.com/Who-originated-the-saying-What-fresh-hell-is-this << this posteriorist crap is boggling my mind. so there exists somewhere a schmuck, married by his mugshot, who actually goes around expertly answering questions on social media with regurgitation of other social media sources ? "according to twitter, facebook invented the internet" ?

06:34:06 assbot: Who originated the saying, "What fresh hell is this?" - Quora ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nd3XqH )

06:34:10 mircea_popescu: who the fuck are these people!

06:34:20 mircea_popescu: who fucks them ? who feeds them ? and most importantly : why ?

06:47:09 BingoBoingo: Obama feeds them

06:47:22 BingoBoingo: Because Obama hates civilization

06:50:13 trinque: deedbot- is having a terrible time getting a node which will speak to him at the moment

06:50:49 trinque: and many orphan blocks

06:52:11 mircea_popescu: teh republic's own ?

06:54:26 trinque: no, and it's high time I switched to the proper client; this has been on btcd for quite a while

06:56:09 BingoBoingo: Throw more RAM at it?

06:56:17 BingoBoingo: More cores?

06:57:29 trinque: 2gb ram, using 500mb, 1 core but not using nearly any CPU at the moment

06:58:59 trinque: the orphan blocks started after 381963

07:00:06 trinque: like so http://dpaste.com/3N40HTC.txt

07:00:08 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Wvp9lW )

07:00:51 mircea_popescu: 88 connections atm.

07:07:27 trinque: mircea_popescu: ty, added and restarted. it's connected, hasn't said anything about a block yet

07:07:40 mircea_popescu: http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/ethereum/ << check out the scamcoin getting burned into the ground. so after the sucker jump, the volume is up, the mkt cap constant, the price dropping like a rock.

07:07:41 assbot: Ethereum (ETH) price, charts, and info | Crypto-Currency Market Capitalizations ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pexkvq )

07:07:59 mircea_popescu: "i have an idea", sez buterin, "let's print and sell eth! it's almost as good as tax and spend!"

07:08:00 trinque: sweet, there it goes with 381964

07:29:18 Namworld: Is there anyone interested in buying 20% of Coinroll? If he didn't ask in here yet, I know someone who wants to do just.

08:32:32 punkman: Namworld: how much is that valued at?

08:56:43 deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin to top $600 before Jan 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1216/bitcoin-to-top-600-before-jan-2016/#b40

09:41:46 davout: guten morgen

09:41:50 davout: !proxies

09:44:34 davout: $proxies

09:47:34 copypaste: " In other news cazalla wished to take an extended vacation from Bitcoin and recieved a buyout for his board position. " http://qntra.net/2015/11/qntra-s-qntr-october-2015-report/

09:47:35 assbot: Qntra (S.QNTR) October 2015 Report | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q56NE2 )

09:47:38 copypaste: How much was the buyout ?

09:47:50 copypaste: Who took his place, if anyone?

09:47:56 copypaste: I find it odd this wasn't mentioned.

09:48:17 copypaste: BingoBoingo ^

09:49:32 punkman: copypaste: was in the logs, rest of the board bought cazalla's shares

09:52:01 copypaste: Gotcha, thank you punkman

09:52:03 davout: copypaste: approx. 10 btc if memory serves

09:52:17 copypaste: & davout :)

09:52:18 gribble: Error: "davout" is not a valid command.

11:14:51 Namworld: punkman, sorry, no valuation. Unlisted.

11:18:06 Namworld: It comes with a right to ~50 BTC from undistributed bankroll. So there's already a base price of 2.5 BTC per %. and some offers. Although if you want to make an offer, you should drop a mail at support email or something. Sure our guy would appreciate.

11:18:25 Namworld: All data and stats are public/downloadable on website.

11:19:05 Namworld: I have to log off for now.

11:19:21 Namworld: I'll try and come back around.

11:36:52 punkman: ;;ticker --market all

11:36:59 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 466.29, vol: 88333.48927328 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 423.023, vol: 46717.41364 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 471.0, vol: 208567.62850058 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 475.0, vol: 16.06520961 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 493.944359, vol: 119833.32010000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 430.0, vol: 337.16250505 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 458.301996, vol: 615.98618908 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)

11:43:27 deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.50002466 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin to top $600 before Jan 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1216/bitcoin-to-top-600-before-jan-2016/#b42

11:57:58 shinohai: http://www.rawstory.com/2015/11/tennessee-man-charged-with-raping-wife-in-church-parking-lot-i-am-your-husband-i-can-get-it-anytime-i-want/

11:57:59 assbot: Tennessee man charged with raping wife in church parking lot: ‘I am your husband, I can get it anytime I want’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1RuXDyd )

12:26:04 shinohai: wb wyrdmantis

12:26:10 wyrdmantis: ;;isup mpex.co

12:26:11 gribble: mpex.co is down

12:26:23 wyrdmantis: ;;isup mpex.ws

12:26:25 gribble: mpex.ws is down

12:26:39 wyrdmantis: hi shinoai

12:26:53 shinohai: think it is down across the board

12:27:53 wyrdmantis: i see

12:28:26 wyrdmantis: why is that?

12:29:02 shinohai: dunno mircea_popescu said sumthin in the lawgs about it crappin out for some unknown reason.

12:30:46 wyrdmantis: shinoai thanks dude, no time to read the logs in this period

12:33:40 shinohai: no worries, I finally stopped being lazy and fixed me ml mail to go to the correct email for btc-dev.

13:23:52 solrodar: someone's just raised an interesting point at https://bitbet.us/bet/1216/bitcoin-to-top-600-before-jan-2016/

13:23:52 assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to top $600 before Jan 2016 :: 16.09 B (26%) on Yes, 46.75 B (74%) on No | closing in 1 month 1 week| weight: 84`375 (100`000 to 20`000) ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mc4SHV )

13:24:10 solrodar: what happens if ALL the bets on one side are refunded?

13:25:14 solrodar: I think the only fair response would be to cancel the whole bet and refund the other side as well

13:43:59 mod6: <+mircea_popescu> that's not so good. <+asciilifeform> which is not a thing that you want. << Ah, ok. Thanks for looking at it. Instead of using ~/.gnupg, would it be alright to create a ~/.gpgtmp upon startup and rm ~/.gpgtmp when complete?

13:44:35 punkman: solrodar: that does seem problematic

13:48:28 solrodar: I'd argue that BitBet is holding the pool in trust for the winners

13:48:46 solrodar: if there are no winners, then the whole thing is null and void and the money should be sent back to where it came from

13:52:59 punkman: solrodar: but do the losing bettors have a claim on that money?

13:53:01 mod6: anyway, if thats acceptable, I'll see what I can do about it tonight.

14:12:40 fluffypony: wow major protests happening in Romania

14:12:41 fluffypony: https://i.imgur.com/gsB8bsM.jpg

14:12:42 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1P9byfU )

14:13:08 trinque: mircea_popescu: in my logs, deedbot's btcd eventually disconnected from and began receiving orphan blocks again. after restarting it, it reconnected to your node and is receiving blocks normally again

14:13:13 *: trinque is very suspicious

14:13:24 fluffypony: "32 people died (and a lot more in critical condition) because of a fire in a club last Friday. The problem is that the the local authorities allowed that club to function without even the most basic fire-precaution measures, which essentially led to the fire and that many victims (150 injured and as i said before quite a few in critical condition). With a bit of a bribe you can do anything in Romania."

14:18:49 shinohai: @ fluffypony yeah I just noticed mircea_popescu home country was having a chimpout wow xD

14:19:31 fluffypony: cray cray

14:19:57 mircea_popescu: soo, re mpex : the trouble has been identified, i'm pretty sure. will be fixed and then tested etc, i expect mpex back before the weekend.

14:22:34 mircea_popescu: trinque sounds suspicious enough.

14:23:52 mircea_popescu: <assbot> Tennessee man charged with raping wife in church parking lot: ?I am your husband, I can get it anytime I want? << kinda what "the traditional marriage" institution means innit.

14:30:30 mircea_popescu: solrodar it is an interesting point.

14:31:35 shinohai: marriage should be like an alliance between friendly nations. Outside of that it is a horrid concept, as defined in the us

14:31:52 mircea_popescu: mod6 yeah i think the idea is to have a temp space.

14:33:13 mircea_popescu: fluffypony mmyeah, some cattle got burned so now they want the mayor in prison. because logically, that's what matters. when teh politruks set the whole country on fire nobody gave a shit, but god help you if some moos get run over.

14:33:41 fluffypony: lol

14:34:09 mircea_popescu: shinohai here's the problem : explain to me that you are defending "traditional marriage" aka "between a man or a woman" ~for the principle of the thing~ but not at the same time "traditional marriage" aka "the husband can take it whenever he feels like". they're both the same thing.

14:35:36 mircea_popescu: fwiw, the mayor in question is the chimp of all time. known as the aka "piedone", because when he was young http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0076544/

14:35:38 assbot: Inspecteur Bulldozer (1978) - IMDb ... ( http://bit.ly/1McenqH )

14:35:41 mircea_popescu: so he wants to be cool like that.

14:35:55 mircea_popescu: sort-of like a dilbert reader going by "colombo" or some equally ridiculous shit.

14:35:55 shinohai: marriage hasn't always been historically defined between solely man and woman though, iirc

14:36:18 mircea_popescu: shinohai because why, nero married a horse ?

14:36:30 mircea_popescu: ofcourse it is, says so right in the churchly book.

14:38:52 *: shinohai wishes there was an actual "#b-a Bible" written in a religious-styled prose ...

14:38:59 solrodar: punkman: in the absence of any precedent or rule for this situation, I suppose nobody has a claim on the money

14:39:01 mircea_popescu: god i hate bucharest. just looking at that picture... brrrrr. but unrelatedly, if you lived behind one of those front windows, and there was a protest at night like that, wouldn't you fuck the woman for the camera ?

14:39:24 solrodar: it would be acceptable for bitbet to destroy it by sending it somewhere provably unspendable, but not to keep it for themselves

14:40:06 mircea_popescu: solrodar the problem with precedent and rule based systems is that you don't know what will happen until it actually happens. i would guess what would happen here would be the bet gets cancelled and so the nos get their btc back too, and perhaps the ability of bet starter to create that clause gets curtailed.

14:40:07 punkman: that would not be acceptable

14:40:25 trinque: felipelalli: http://deedbot.org/bundle-381953.txt << ding

14:40:55 trinque: meanwhile I'm looking into what can be done about the node losing its connection to polite nodes, getting orphans barfed at it by impolite nodes

14:40:58 mircea_popescu: !ticker

14:40:58 assbot: Ah, your hair. Your hair is soft. It's like a girl's. Now how do you get it that way?

14:41:03 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

14:41:06 gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 492.0, Best ask: 492.77, Bid-ask spread: 0.77000, Last trade: 491.61, 24 hour volume: 231944.95432189, 24 hour low: 375.02, 24 hour high: 504.0, 24 hour vwap: None

14:41:09 punkman: ;;ticker --market all

14:41:10 shinohai: twitter has "Recommend to follow" https://twitter.com/PopescuCo

14:41:11 assbot: Dan Popescu (@PopescuCo) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1P9eedq )

14:41:11 mircea_popescu: holy shit huh.

14:41:18 shinohai: O.o

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14:41:29 mircea_popescu: trinque this is a gnarly thing that's been being worked on for a while.

14:41:34 punkman: china broke $500 eh

14:41:51 mircea_popescu: so wait... i made a few hundred million while i was sleeping ?

14:41:58 trinque: ^notbad.jpg

14:42:01 mircea_popescu: i'm sure teh haters are ecstatic over it.

14:42:34 mircea_popescu: shinohai popescu is like the most common romanian name.

14:43:09 shinohai: I know, it appears like diaz or something round here. It only pops up in there bcuz I follow qntra, et all

14:43:21 shinohai: Smith

14:43:40 mircea_popescu: goldbug too lol. funny. "Consultant - Gold & Silver Analyst - Gold Standard, International Monetary System, Precious Metals, Currencies, Geopolitics, Macroeconomics"

14:44:10 mircea_popescu: consultant @ nothing in particular, doesn't really look the right age range for this nuttery.

14:44:59 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315753

14:44:59 assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 14:30:30; mircea_popescu: solrodar it is an interesting point.

14:51:41 mircea_popescu: Ethereum (ETH) $ 0.748576 (-24.18 %) 0.00152907 BTC (-39.43 %)

14:51:43 mircea_popescu: you go girl.

14:52:01 mircea_popescu: if anyone was fucktarded enough to buy into the scam on its final phase, i would like to meet them.

14:58:08 danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315758 << 1 Corinthians 7:3 Let the husband render to his wife the affection due her, and likewise also the wife to her husband. 4 The wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. And likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does.

14:58:08 assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 14:34:09; mircea_popescu: shinohai here's the problem : explain to me that you are defending "traditional marriage" aka "between a man or a woman" ~for the principle of the thing~ but not at the same time "traditional marriage" aka "the husband can take it whenever he feels like". they're both the same thing.

14:58:38 mircea_popescu: holy shit, check it out, mp's "you don't own your own sex bits" is older than europe!

14:58:48 mircea_popescu: and here we thought he invented it!11

15:02:51 mircea_popescu: so here's something for alf : "Through much of their history US finishing schools emphasized education in the social graces and de-emphasized scholarship: society encouraged a polished young lady to hide her intellectual prowess for fear of frightening away suitors. For instance Miss Porter's School in 1843 advertised itself as Miss Porter's Finishing School for Young Ladies?even though its founder was a noted schola

15:02:51 mircea_popescu: r offering a rigorous curriculum that educated the illustrious classicist Edith Hamilton. Today the situation has reversed: Miss Porter's School downplays its origins as a finishing school, and emphasizes the rigor of its academics." . now check out the banner : https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/31/%22For_God._For_Country._And_for_Yale.%22_Banner.jpg

15:02:54 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1P9gG3s )

15:04:23 mircea_popescu: "yea is for sex, yale is for anal" etc.

15:57:23 mircea_popescu: "Phil Schiller, Apple's longtime senior vice president of worldwide marketing5, is waiting for me when I arrive at Building 3 at the company's Infinite Loop headquarters in Cupertino, California on an unusually warm fall day." motherfucker these idiots.

15:57:36 mircea_popescu: "o no we must do the bio insert IT IS HOW WRITING IS DONE!11!"

15:57:53 mircea_popescu: i bet they hit on chicks by schematics, too.

15:59:02 mircea_popescu: i can't fucking read this gunk. /me skips to footnotes, in perhaps the first occurence this century of that once-prevalent approach

16:00:49 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i have nfi what the 1st note says. can you explain the intended meaning ?

16:07:23 punkman: http://www.themonitor.com/news/local/cartel-boss-states-we-are-not-terrorists-using-narco-banners/article_62983176-828f-11e5-8614-b79fa686dd4d.html

16:07:24 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1McrCHK )

16:07:31 punkman: "Accused Gulf Cartel boss Juan Manuel Loiza Salinas reassured residents of Reynosa through a series of banners last week that he is a drug trafficker and not a terrorist."

16:08:52 phf: mod6: original v uses mkdtemp for keyring folder. the general idea is that you don't want to reuse the keyring folder, since it's a place where state is kept for no good reason. you can make sure on startup that you also check that the folder doesn't exist & clean it up before using it, but..

16:09:36 mircea_popescu: "George Bush was one of these people as well. An intimate of his machine once described his public behavior to me, the long and short of which is that the man is excellent at regurgitating that which had been said to him or that he'd heard, and to stitch together a pastiche that can pass for creative conversation, but largely unable to cook up his own output." << sounds like ivy league.

16:10:22 mircea_popescu: the narcs are definitely going to be running mexico going forward.

16:14:56 mircea_popescu: "True, and disingenous. Truly disingenous. They absolutely are "taking responsibility" for the whole stack, but in the opposite direction of that Moldbuggian notion of the modern bureaucracy dissolving both authority and responsibility across the whole organization. Apple's working quite well to gather the mantle of authority around themselves while avoiding any responsibility at all for the work that they produce."

16:15:06 mircea_popescu: idem. wtf, is there a negation problem ?

17:02:29 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: apple, like a time-and-spacewise miniature tabletop model of usa and the west at large, is burnings its furniture.

17:02:54 mircea_popescu: you don't say.

17:03:27 asciilifeform: sorta like i predicted (which wasn't hard, but for some reason nobody gave a flying fuck) in my ancient article, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=132

17:03:29 assbot: Loper OS » Non-Apple’s Mistake ... ( http://bit.ly/1NrLRp9 )

17:05:30 asciilifeform: ;;ticker --market all

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17:05:45 asciilifeform: wai wat

17:05:49 mircea_popescu: are we broke yet ?

17:06:55 kakobrekla: meat today!

17:07:11 *: asciilifeform equally depressed on ups AND downs, probably to nobody's great surprise

17:08:10 *: kakobrekla hugs asciilifeform

17:08:45 kakobrekla: i know you hate it.

17:09:10 asciilifeform: l0l

17:09:45 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315736 << the way to do it is gpg --homedir /tmp/dirthatyoumadefortheoccasion

17:09:45 assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 13:43:59; mod6: <+mircea_popescu> that's not so good. <+asciilifeform> which is not a thing that you want. << Ah, ok. Thanks for looking at it. Instead of using ~/.gnupg, would it be alright to create a ~/.gpgtmp upon startup and rm ~/.gpgtmp when complete?

17:10:39 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315752 << dan mocsny had great fun with this

17:10:39 assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 14:23:52; mircea_popescu: <assbot> Tennessee man charged with raping wife in church parking lot: ?I am your husband, I can get it anytime I want? << kinda what "the traditional marriage" institution means innit.

17:12:19 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315773 << have you (or anyone else) considered writing a simple tcp proxy for this ?

17:12:19 assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 14:40:55; trinque: meanwhile I'm looking into what can be done about the node losing its connection to polite nodes, getting orphans barfed at it by impolite nodes

17:12:49 asciilifeform: the whole 'noble nodes' thing is on my plate but i elementarily lack the time right now to do any of it.

17:13:04 asciilifeform: and it sits below 'pogoization' on the list, also.

17:13:22 trinque: you recommend a separate proggy rather than patch to bitcoind?

17:13:27 asciilifeform: presently.

17:13:32 asciilifeform: it doesn't need to do very much.

17:13:48 mircea_popescu: * asciilifeform equally depressed on ups AND downs, probably to nobody's great surprise <<< and this ISN'T a psycological defense!

17:14:04 mircea_popescu: we're miserable and things must not change so we stay that way!

17:14:05 asciilifeform: trinque: the tricky part is that it needs to switch destinations (nodes) when the local node aborts

17:14:18 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315616 <--> http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/25/a-retrospective-on-six-years-in-the-car-blogosphere/

17:14:18 assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 04:43:02; ben_vulpes: anyone know which contravex piece slit the "car reportering" scam open?

17:14:20 assbot: A retrospective on six years in the car blogosphere | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1WzHhWo )

17:14:50 trinque: asciilifeform: idea being bitcoind uses -connect=proxy and the proxy handles the other end?

17:15:03 trinque: then maybe munches log looking for signs of rude nodes?

17:15:24 asciilifeform: trinque: the real problem is that -connect results in a castrato node

17:15:36 asciilifeform: (that accepts no connections)

17:15:41 trinque: right, meanwhile addnode is not a guarantee iirc

17:15:45 asciilifeform: aha.

17:16:08 asciilifeform: and no log-munching, what, you need a hard list of friends

17:16:27 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315811 << looks like it's missing a "not" in the first sentence

17:16:27 assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 16:00:49; mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i have nfi what the 1st note says. can you explain the intended meaning ?

17:16:43 asciilifeform: trinque: i suppose it won't be done until i do it..

17:16:50 trinque: ^ bait

17:16:54 trinque: :D

17:16:58 trinque: doesn't sound that hard

17:17:35 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315828 << champagne tomorrow !

17:17:35 assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 17:06:55; kakobrekla: meat today!

17:18:28 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nah it's a perfectly logical sort of depressed. down-->'my pathetic handful of coin won't even pay a month's rent'; up-->'now there's many fewer that i could ever hope to have'

17:18:52 pete_dushenski: but... warrants

17:19:02 pete_dushenski: same as yesterday, neh ?

17:19:29 pete_dushenski: I recently discovered that MACOS 10.10.2 categorically refuses to sleep if a video is playing in Chrome.

17:19:58 pete_dushenski: ^saw similarly strange behaviour in 10.10 mba when running 'sophos'

17:20:32 pete_dushenski: craptop was closed, shoulda been asleep, but would magically awake, run, and damn near cook itself to death in an effort to be 'pest free'

17:21:20 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: you probably knew this, but i live in 'break my back to pay the bills and with the scraps of time and energy that remain, work on s.nsa' mode.

17:21:45 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: note the ordering in the formulation.

17:22:37 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315409 << /me dusts off 1870 printing of 'the academic questions'

17:22:37 assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 02:17:42; mircea_popescu: or pr without cicero

17:22:57 asciilifeform: speaking of this, secmem.c is getting cut and replaced with a stub. because this crud does not belong in mpi, needs to be a quite separate library.

17:23:33 asciilifeform: and it is responsible for most of the #ifdef noise, also

17:23:43 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: the carrot dangleth before you, and when you finally taste it, may that fateful day come, you'll be in the unfortunate position of having to find still another carrot to chase.

17:23:55 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i still have my original carrot

17:24:04 asciilifeform: ...building a sane computer.

17:24:30 asciilifeform: i don't expect to live to eat even the very tip of that carrot.

17:24:52 asciilifeform: ars longa.

17:25:50 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315803 << i used to work very near the (now - demolished, and replaced with obscenely imitative - of it - sprawl of condos) ruins of a 19th c. 'finishing school.'

17:25:50 assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 15:02:51; mircea_popescu: so here's something for alf : "Through much of their history US finishing schools emphasized education in the social graces and de-emphasized scholarship: society encouraged a polished young lady to hide her intellectual prowess for fear of frightening away suitors. For instance Miss Porter's School in 1843 advertised itself as Miss Porter's Finishing School for Young Ladies?even though its founder w

17:25:56 asciilifeform: was an interesting sight.

17:26:44 kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315880 < comes down to the definition of 'living'

17:26:44 assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 17:24:30; asciilifeform: i don't expect to live to eat even the very tip of that carrot.

17:27:05 asciilifeform: ??

17:28:19 kakobrekla: before bitcoin, i was living in barrel because no matter what i wanst going to be a part of the slave system. you wouldnt call that living.

17:28:53 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: what kind of barrel ?

17:29:06 kakobrekla: l0l.

17:29:23 pete_dushenski: kakobrekla: and what did you do pre-btc ?

17:29:46 kakobrekla: it was slightly larger than Diogeneses

17:29:56 asciilifeform: i mean, we can infer that kakobrekla's barrel contained a computer and also whatever was required to keep his brain alive and in reasonably well-oiled condition

17:30:13 asciilifeform: this - is living.

17:30:28 pete_dushenski: i might've guessed a stint at a big bank as barrel

17:30:46 kakobrekla: move to MK, rent a flat for 100 bux, a better one than my ex barrel.

17:31:14 *: asciilifeform recalls http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-10-2014#870766

17:31:14 assbot: Logged on 13-10-2014 12:56:26; kakobrekla: i understood this pretty quickly so i never got employed.

17:31:32 kakobrekla: and you think this came without consequences ?

17:31:32 mike_c: what's MK?

17:31:44 asciilifeform: morth korea ?

17:31:49 kakobrekla: macedonia

17:35:07 asciilifeform: barrel is not so terrible. it is being solely a barrel's radius from the mass of stinking, writhing human refuse that typically surrounds the barrel, that is.

17:35:49 asciilifeform: we have a kind of 'barrel' in usa - there is a caste of folks who live in converted 'trailers'

17:35:53 kakobrekla: just keep the top closed.

17:36:01 asciilifeform: (a kind of truck box)

17:36:54 asciilifeform: perfectly fine accommodations, physically - about on par with my old flat. BUT you have to live near the other dalits.

17:37:25 asciilifeform: ('trailers' are not permitted in most of usa except in specially-designated leprosoria)

17:38:42 kakobrekla: ;;google ohrid

17:38:42 gribble: Ohrid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohrid; Ohrid Vacation, Travel, Tourism, Visit Ohrid - Official Web Site of the ...: http://www.ohrid.com.mk/; Natural and Cultural Heritage of the Ohrid region - UNESCO World ...: http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/99

17:38:44 kakobrekla: is not so bad.

17:39:13 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: looks spiffy from the photos

17:40:51 kakobrekla: this is a place where cops still take bribes. all of them.

17:42:11 asciilifeform: like most of the planet.

17:42:59 asciilifeform: see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2014#546880

17:42:59 assbot: Logged on 05-03-2014 02:05:11; asciilifeform: 'american does not believe the man in the uniform to be a bandit, with whom one can come to an understanding. he believes him to be a robot, who must be feared. american law enforcers are able to, by pressing on the keyboard of a multitude of laws and regulations, 'transmute' the most insignificant peccadillo into a monstrous deed. FBI did not need to beat up Monica or toss into her purse heroin or am

17:43:45 kakobrekla: nah, EU cant bribe a cop. not even in croatia.

17:43:57 asciilifeform: eu is a usg colony

17:44:18 kakobrekla: it changes in bosnia.

17:44:26 asciilifeform: (this is a not altogether bad heuristic for what is a usg colony - can you bribe a traffic cop ?)

17:44:35 asciilifeform: if not --> colony.

17:45:55 shinohai: !s http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/nov/03/hackers-gonna-hack-but-why-maybe-freud-has-the-answer

17:45:56 assbot: Hackers gonna hack, but why? Maybe Freud has the answer | Technology | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hrpg5U )

17:45:57 assbot: 0 results for 'http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/nov/03/hackers-gonna-hack-but-why-maybe-freud-has-the-answer' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Ftechnology%2F2015%2Fnov%2F03%2Fhackers-gonna-hack-but-why-maybe-freud-has-the-answer

17:46:31 asciilifeform: 'A humanistic, cognitive psychology approach to hacking would be to consider an emotion such as revenge? But my favourite explanation for the academic literature is a Freudian psychoanalytic approach to hacking, which actually conceptualises hacking in Freudian terms as a cyber-sexual urge to penetrate. And there are castration complex overtones in terms of being cut off from the network as well?'

17:46:33 asciilifeform: l0l!!

17:46:45 asciilifeform: can't wait for the психушка !!

17:48:27 asciilifeform: '?What we have to question ourselves is, as a society, do we really want to criminalise 13, 14 and 15 year-olds? Or do we want to understand their behaviour, engage with their incredible skillsets, mentor them and try to point them in the right direction?? she said.' << aha, a course of neuroleptics followed by lifetime indenture at junior www dev work in usg sharashka, is the implication.

17:48:39 asciilifeform: who wouldn't want!11111

17:49:42 asciilifeform: from same fishwrap, equally appetizing,

17:49:43 asciilifeform: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/04/theresa-may-surveillance-measures-edward-snowden

17:49:44 assbot: Theresa May unveils UK surveillance measures in wake of Snowden claims | World news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1PmLrQX )

17:50:05 asciilifeform: 'New surveillance powers will be given to the police and security services, allowing them to access records tracking every UK citizen?s use of the internet without any judicial check, under the provisions of the draft investigatory powers bill unveiled by Theresa May.'

17:51:17 asciilifeform: arguably a snore, because in practice usg already had doing-whatever-the-fuck-it-wants-to-whoever-it-wants powerz

17:56:36 kakobrekla: actually iirc there is a huge underground usg army base in mk

17:56:49 kakobrekla: top sekrit stuff

17:57:10 pete_dushenski: one wonders why usg/uk bother with such surveillance legislation at all if they actually have de facto doing-whatever-the-fuck-it-wants-to-whoever-it-wants powerz

17:57:33 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: aha, why do you suppose they bothered to smash serbia and roll up all of old yugo into usg reich ?

17:57:36 asciilifeform: to make tourist resorts ?

17:57:42 pete_dushenski: superficial politicians want to pretend to matter ?

17:57:53 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: 'so that we would ask'

17:58:04 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: it's fist-in-the-face psyops

17:58:16 kakobrekla: still better than eu.

17:59:07 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: there also a basic trick involved. when you repaint the opposition as 'criminal', it can then be dealt with using police methods, which are cheaper than black bag work

18:00:32 pete_dushenski: seems more like 'we can achieve 90% compliance with 10% effort just by scaring derps into submission'

18:00:34 asciilifeform: and for every brian micon that needs to be tried for 'illegal bitcoining' you have 1,001 schmucks who were afraid to even read about it because 'they log my packetz'

18:00:42 asciilifeform: aha.

18:01:13 pete_dushenski: i've even seen this at usg 'green building' trade shows.

18:01:22 asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu were awake, he would probably say that none of this matters worth a damn

18:01:30 asciilifeform: but i'm not convinced. consider the case of chemistry

18:01:32 pete_dushenski: 'don't bring electric power tools because not green!' 'uhhh fuck you'

18:01:40 asciilifeform: which more or less died out as a scientific field in the 'civilized' world.

18:01:53 asciilifeform: (and was never really a thing in the 'uncivilized' - what does a pashtun need it for?)

18:03:34 pete_dushenski: i'd argue that this type of posturing ~does~ matter in the sense that it's a further wedge between ( ) boys and ( ) men

18:04:07 pete_dushenski: if anything, it'll push a few maybe neithers off the fence towards manhood

18:04:17 pete_dushenski: not a bad thing imo

18:04:31 asciilifeform: what, in this case, is 'manhood' ?

18:04:46 asciilifeform: cleaning kalash in kandahar with own piss every morning between goat fucks ?

18:05:02 pete_dushenski: not being afraid of pieces of paper = manhood

18:05:26 pete_dushenski: at least those issued by 'elected politicians'

18:05:29 pete_dushenski: contracts

18:05:38 pete_dushenski: ^cat derp

18:05:48 asciilifeform: meanwhile...

18:05:52 asciilifeform: https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0065.mediawiki << ph0rk!!

18:05:53 assbot: bips/bip-0065.mediawiki at master · bitcoin/bips · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1PmNNiM )

18:06:31 pete_dushenski: *contracts between private individuals being another sort of 'piece of paper' altogether, one obviously needing to be very, very afraid of not honouring

18:06:32 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-11-2014#920112 << see old threaad

18:06:32 assbot: Logged on 13-11-2014 19:04:36; *: asciilifeform admits that he suspects bip64 of being a plot to create usg-like bonds in btc. folks will be asked to trace X proper btc for X+epsilon 'locked' ones that are to land back in their pocket 'in the future', should they live long enough, but are actually recovable 'because this is how the world works'

18:07:29 asciilifeform: 'In addition to using cold storage, hardware wallets, and P2SH multisig outputs to control funds, now funds can be frozen in UTXOs directly on the blockchain.'

18:09:03 asciilifeform: 'We reuse the double-threshold IsSuperMajority() switchover mechanism used in BIP 66 with the same thresholds, but for nVersion = 4. The new rules are in effect for every block (at height H) with nVersion = 4 and at least 750 out of 1000 blocks preceding it (with heights H-1000..H-1) also have nVersion >= 4. Furthermore, when 950 out of the 1000 blocks preceding a block do have nVersion >= 4, nVersion < 4 blocks become invalid

18:09:03 asciilifeform: , and all further blocks enforce the new rules.'

18:09:07 kakobrekla: worx even with rand() return 4;

18:09:27 asciilifeform: seems like these folks want a replay of the july idiocy ?

18:09:50 pete_dushenski: obligatory : http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/04/bitcoins-4th-of-july-independence-from-america-day/

18:09:51 assbot: Bitcoin’s 4th of July : INDEPENDENCE FROM AMERICA DAY | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1PmOgS1 )

18:17:05 asciilifeform: soooo...

18:17:27 asciilifeform: turns out that one of the users of my personal therealbitcoin node is 'card-ok.com'

18:17:48 asciilifeform: which per the ru sp4mz0rsphere, https://crdclub.ws/showthread.php?p=97248 -- is a 'carding' service

18:17:50 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1PmOWHj )

18:17:55 asciilifeform: used to 'test' stolen cc #s.

18:19:43 lobbes: l0l, the many eyes that read the logs

18:19:45 asciilifeform: aha

18:20:15 asciilifeform: i don't like manually kicking folks off my node, but this screams of usg entrapment

18:20:23 asciilifeform: so into iptables it goes.

18:21:37 pete_dushenski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcTC7RkmHac << alf, always a jump ahead

18:21:38 assbot: Aladdin-One Jump Ahead HD (1080p) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1PmPpsU )

18:21:40 asciilifeform: if osama bin laden goldstein wants to use my box, plz have the decency to call himself something else.

18:22:24 lobbes: 'definitelynotisis.com'

18:22:32 *: asciilifeform sadly contemplates unplugging the thing entirely

18:24:46 lobbes: !up thestringpuller

18:24:55 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: don't let them scare you !

18:25:05 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: you gonna let the USG force you to shut down your node?

18:25:27 asciilifeform: nah i'll wait till they shoot me and cart it off themselves.

18:26:14 thestringpuller: that's the spirit!

18:26:31 Namworld: In case anyone missed it yesterday, someone is looking to sell 20% of Coinroll

18:27:40 asciilifeform: i insist on being shot for high treason rather than for somehow associating with spamming scum.

18:27:51 pete_dushenski: Namworld: is 'someone' in the wot ?

18:28:13 asciilifeform: perhaps if tlp were here, he might cry narcissism.

18:29:21 pete_dushenski: we'll point him to the log entry when he arrives

18:31:40 asciilifeform: i suppose this is a good time to point out that i fucking hate common criminals who lack the brains or elementary decency to make themselves any kind of hard target

18:31:45 asciilifeform: they are the fodder on which usg lives.

18:31:51 asciilifeform: and cultivates for its sustenance.

18:32:28 asciilifeform: there are precious few creatures upon satan's green earth more loathesome than the common spammer.

18:32:50 mike_c: jurov: you still own part of coinroll?

18:32:53 asciilifeform: the very examples of the 'disposable males overdue for the meatgrinder' as portrayed in mircea_popescu's articles.

18:33:38 Namworld: jurov does, as well as wao, as well as me. But none of us is selling.

18:34:05 Namworld: The sale will have to go through jurov & wao anyway

18:35:27 pete_dushenski: !gettrust wao

18:35:27 assbot: Trust relationship from user pete_dushenski to user wao: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 2 connections. | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=pete_dushenski&to=wao | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/wao/

18:35:29 jurov: right

18:36:23 mike_c: You each have 20%? Are these "voting" shares or silent-partner type?

18:36:30 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski, thestringpuller: the reason i was considering ~not~ keeping a node on my desk is the realization that, if this kind of thing carries on, it cannot really be considered a respectable node.

18:36:57 kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315891 < missed this; i had a few unrelated gigs which allowed me to be free but not rich

18:36:57 assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 17:29:23; pete_dushenski: kakobrekla: and what did you do pre-btc ?

18:37:41 asciilifeform: kakobrekla was then rich

18:37:44 asciilifeform: per my standards.

18:38:01 kakobrekla: barrel rich.

18:38:13 pete_dushenski: kakobrekla: no worries, i thought mebbe it was sooper sekrit. but really, no finance background ?

18:38:50 pete_dushenski: u.s. 'hood rich' = e.u. 'barrel rich'

18:39:10 kakobrekla: no, no finance background.

18:42:09 Namworld: No, we don't all have 20%. And these are non-voting shares

18:43:11 Namworld: Although jurov and wao will consider any input/advice you give, they take the decisions.

18:45:42 ben_vulpes: Namworld: it's painful to watch people dragging these details out of you. is there a signed operating agreement in place people can look at somewhere?

18:45:43 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu what is the proper defence against getting 'shremmed' ?

18:45:43 gribble: The operation succeeded.

18:46:23 ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski has it with the elusive negation

18:47:01 jurov: ben_vulpes there is not anything gpg signed. there was agreement with scrat, but he went mia

18:47:32 ben_vulpes: oh jeez.

18:47:41 jurov: we will draft it if anyone has serious interest

18:48:04 ben_vulpes: well i'm not but damn this is going to be an expensive price discovery exercise without contracts.

18:49:20 pete_dushenski: http://altwork.com/ << save the 'angel investor' 'prototype' blah blah, this is an intriguing workspace concept. only about a 2016-btc too

18:49:21 assbot: Altwork Station | The new way to work ... ( http://bit.ly/1PmSARf )

18:49:56 ben_vulpes: everyone's in the wot (right?) so it should work itself out eventually, but this is an interesting example of how gpgconomy works in contrast to the fiat contracting system.

18:50:13 *: asciilifeform would like input from his WoT re: what is the correct thing to do with obvious usg honeytrapping as described earlier.

18:50:37 ben_vulpes: yes, you're all in the wot, so no need for contracts, they're unenforceable anyways. that said, without formalized business relationships, pricing the paper's...complicated.

18:50:58 pete_dushenski: jurov: my guess is that your approach is backwards. should have gpg signed statement FIRST, then serious interest follows

18:50:59 ben_vulpes: like how many non voting shares? how many voting shares? who can issue more shares, and under what conditions?

18:51:13 jurov: no shares

18:51:21 jurov: but you're right

18:51:41 ben_vulpes: and that's just 3 questions that should be wrapped up neatly in the operating agreement.

18:53:10 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: keep 'em.

18:53:15 kakobrekla: asciilifeform but does usg really need to honeytrap ? as far as i get it, there is no need for such customs.

18:53:19 pete_dushenski: "Magnets keep all your computer equipment in place, and it moves with you as you change positions. So even while you recline, your monitor and keyboard are proportionally placed for you to continue working." << re: altwork thingie. fuck magnets. give me screws and anchors !

18:53:20 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: shrem.

18:53:34 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: how does shrem relate?

18:54:21 mike_c: he went to jail?

18:54:25 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: usg algo is, as i understand: 1) pick a fella who needs to have problems 2) steer known scum to his $thing 3) have it be established that he knows of (2) 4) pick him up as a thieves' fence

18:55:01 kakobrekla: i thought it was 1) pick up the fella 2) fuck him up

18:55:04 ben_vulpes: what precisely is your concern, though? relaying of 3vil t3rrist txns?

18:55:20 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: solution : go kazcynski on their ass

18:55:31 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the 'card-ok' fella insisted on being obvious as daylight

18:55:32 ben_vulpes: shrem was out and out breaking the law

18:55:43 asciilifeform: and i doubt that he ended up on my box by pure accident.

18:55:48 kakobrekla: but anyway, if you dont feel like running a node from home, you should not do it.

18:55:51 asciilifeform: (it is not an ultra-high-bandwidth node)

18:55:56 asciilifeform: problem is that i fucking need a node.

18:56:24 asciilifeform: and i don't own an impregnable castle where i can leave a machine going.

18:56:28 pete_dushenski: obligatory kaczynski http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/03/hits-and-misses-of-ted-the-unabomber-kaczynski/

18:56:30 assbot: Hits and misses of Ted “The Unabomber” Kaczynski. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1ktc5vZ )

18:57:32 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: how did you get from mocking "omg my packetz" to "omg my packetz"?

18:57:40 *: pete_dushenski off to the races. ciao !

18:59:57 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: partly it is because i have a personal hatred of ph0rum sp4mz0r l337 d00dz

19:01:05 asciilifeform: they bring usg with them wherever they go. the way rats bring plague.

19:02:55 ben_vulpes: so boot 'em

19:03:08 ben_vulpes: that's a sane argument

19:03:43 Namworld: There's no share, just a stake in %. No share dilution as of now. Dilution could appear in the form of allowing investments on the site like other dice site where you can stake the bankroll. Although this would in no way be absolute/permanent.

19:03:55 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: prolly gonna turn this thing into a gossipd-style whitelisted node soon.

19:04:22 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: aside from stoolies, stooges, and other vermin, i elementarily lack the bandwidth to service the demand (and there is now again - demand)

19:04:46 asciilifeform: but i will also note, when mircea_popescu tells us 'get the everliving fuck out of usa' he has perfectly good reasons for this.

19:04:50 Namworld: Not sure how the transfer would be done, but I'm sure jurov and wao will sign both payment address and amount for the offer and agreement of share ownership upon payment.

19:07:01 Namworld: As for Coinroll's stats and data, it's always been available publicly for download.

19:11:53 ben_vulpes: Namworld: I'm sure you see the problem with statements-in-the-log-as-operating-agreement

19:13:00 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: neat! ganbatte.

19:14:00 Namworld: Yes, that's why am saying it can all be signed properly prior to purchase occuring.

19:14:23 Namworld: I just wanted to let it known as I don't think that other guy advertised it around much.

19:25:20 kakobrekla: asciilifeform if not sekrit, which hw raid cards do you use/like?

19:25:54 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: pretty old '3ware'

19:26:11 *: kakobrekla currently fuming over hp p410

19:26:36 asciilifeform: the old-fashioned kind, with 64-bit pci (not pcie)

19:26:46 asciilifeform: pretty cheap secondhand, too.

19:26:51 kakobrekla: myea

19:27:23 asciilifeform: configured with an open source command line thing

19:27:32 asciilifeform: can also flash in own fw if you have a favourite.

19:29:15 *: asciilifeform fucking hates 'software raid' in any and all forms

19:30:55 asciilifeform: incidentally hardware raid utterly annihilates (if used correctly - that is, for striping rather than mirroring) all known and unknown 'hdd firmware diddles'

19:31:27 asciilifeform: this is, naturally, at the cost of introducing another closed turd boot rom.

19:31:35 asciilifeform: BUT the latter is an x86 blob and is trivially disassembled

19:31:37 asciilifeform: unlike hdd fw.

19:32:17 asciilifeform: i made the tradeoff with the full understanding that it was a tradeoff.

19:38:56 asciilifeform: https://www.rt.com/op-edge/320651-germany-refugees-crisis-bavaria << lulzy. esp. for jurov.

19:38:56 assbot: Migrant crisis pushing Germany towards ‘anarchy and civil war’ — RT Op-Edge ... ( http://bit.ly/1ktimYu )

19:39:43 asciilifeform: and for mircea_popescu, https://www.rt.com/usa/320767-sniper-san-diego-police

19:39:44 assbot: Sniper in San Diego pins down police near airport, Zoo — RT USA ... ( http://bit.ly/1ktiw26 )

19:40:22 jurov: please find anything other than rt. anything.

19:40:49 jurov: even xinhua is miles better than rt

19:40:50 asciilifeform: jurov: largely consists of twatter screencaps

19:41:04 asciilifeform: of course it is possible that putin personally fakes these, aha.

19:42:03 asciilifeform: jurov: this kind of thing is arranged every time usg needs to ban another type of gun.

19:54:05 asciilifeform: 'After weeks of waiting to get registered with Berlin authorities, a group of refugees and migrants have sued Berlin?s main refugee center for failing to grant their asylum benefits on time, which they were promised when Germany took them in.' << lulz

20:09:46 trinque: asciilifeform: along the lines of the problems with your node, deedbot- now routinely gets orphans and nothing else blasted at it from various IPs, and will at times not be able to reach the node mircea_popescu gave, though I am not presently certain why

20:10:03 trinque: currently it is trying to catch up from the last orphan ass blasting by feeding from mp's node

20:11:27 trinque: and I have given that IP via -connect which unfortunately will keep it from being of use to anyone else

20:13:17 trinque: two things there: one I think I will begin looking into the connect vs addnode tangle this weekend, as it's affecting the proper functioning of the deedbot-

20:13:41 trinque: and two, I would like to move the hosting of the thing off AWS if anyone can recommend a friendlier host

20:14:13 trinque: it would not be surprising to me at all that Amazon obediently fucks with the thing from within

20:21:29 trinque: also, I span up bitcoind-0.5.4-beta last night and it began gagging on orphan blocks around 150k

20:21:41 trinque: this was from a home connection.

20:22:16 trinque: that one I'll restart later and see how it fares.

20:22:43 trinque: if the walls have eyes, the tubes have apparently grown fingers

20:45:34 asciilifeform: trinque: you are probably being blackholes.

20:45:37 asciilifeform: *blackholed

20:45:52 punkman: *cornholed

20:47:05 asciilifeform: trinque: as for hosts, unfortunately i cannot recommend anything at all.

20:47:17 asciilifeform: other than - possibly - mircea_popescu's coming-soon thing

20:47:23 asciilifeform: supposing that it comes, and works

20:47:33 asciilifeform: but it is likely to be expensive.

20:48:47 trinque: it is munching on the IP from mp successfully for now

20:51:33 ben_vulpes: i suspect that the operational protocol must be "one node for the network, one node for infrastructure"

20:52:22 ben_vulpes: eg if you want to run a node for infrastructure, you should -connect it to a synced node -addnode'd to the network at large.

20:55:57 trinque: really needs the wotnet to function properly, and this still doesn't fix black holing, just mitm

20:56:09 trinque: needs wotnet-radio

20:58:37 ben_vulpes: i'm still kindastonished the thing never had encrypted connections.

21:00:00 ben_vulpes: funkenstein_: your ip is leaking

21:01:06 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: how do you do encrypted connections without gossipd ?

21:01:16 trinque: ben_vulpes: I'm glad the guy didn't just bolt ssl to the thing

21:01:18 trinque: could've

21:01:25 asciilifeform: trinque: hearn did !

21:01:40 trinque: big surprise

21:02:15 punkman: can ssh tunnel to trusted nodes

21:02:57 asciilifeform: people do this, yes.

21:02:57 funkenstein_: thx. happy V day all

21:05:09 funkenstein_: trinque: I don't know who they are but i have had some luck with bitcoincloud.eu vps

21:05:48 asciilifeform: if anybody's gonna 'obediently fucks with the thing from within' it'll be a bitcoin-themed isp from somewhere far outside the wot.

21:09:51 punkman: http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=6907 lol

21:09:53 assbot: From kafkatrap to honeytrap ... ( http://bit.ly/1ktx7KJ )

21:12:16 asciilifeform: 'Linus is never alone at any conference. This is not because he lets fame go to his head and likes having a posse around. They have made multiple runs at him.'

21:14:52 mike_c: I am not understanding this romanian mess.. what the hell does some fire in a club have to do with the PM

21:16:59 asciilifeform: from the commentz: 'Why not honeytrap the honeytrappers with hidden audio/video recording devices? They might be illegal to use without consent in your jurisdiction, but then you need not reveal the recordings until you need to, and I don?t think ?Arrest him for illegally recording evidence that proves my rape allegation was fake!? would fly.'

21:17:42 BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315702 << Myself and MP.

21:17:42 assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 09:47:50; copypaste: Who took his place, if anyone?

21:18:15 BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315703 << Gotta watch the logs, but big transactions happen in deedbot

21:18:15 assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 09:47:56; copypaste: I find it odd this wasn't mentioned.

21:19:42 asciilifeform: 'This is SOP for STEM/Biz profs, too. Never be alone with female students. Never mentor them. Never supervise a graduate thesis. A bad review/grade turns into a sexual harassment claim far too easily.'

21:31:54 BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1316024 << Don't have bong

21:31:54 assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 18:45:43; asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu what is the proper defence against getting 'shremmed' ?

21:32:29 *: asciilifeform misread as 'don't have dong'

21:32:42 asciilifeform: which - perhaps - also would work

21:40:36 BingoBoingo: lol

21:41:57 BingoBoingo: My take on shrem though was the magazine profile where the reporter mentioned his smoking lamp out in the open made him irredeemably a "drug criminal" in the eyes of USG

21:44:09 asciilifeform: it is why he 'had to have problems', rather than why he had problems

21:44:12 asciilifeform: if this makes any sense

21:44:25 asciilifeform: his public dope was an insult to the crown

21:44:47 asciilifeform: an insult uttered in front of the cattle

22:02:54 BingoBoingo: yes

22:10:03 lobbes: in other lulz: http://boston.cbslocal.com/2015/11/04/lally-deamicis-brockton-quincy-elections/

22:10:04 assbot: Teen Candidates Win Elections In Brockton, Quincy « CBS Boston ... ( http://bit.ly/1LQsMe9 )

22:10:09 punkman: and what of the 100 million people smoking/selling dope openly on twitter,facebook,youtube,topix,etc

22:10:16 punkman: not insult to crown?

22:12:45 asciilifeform: punkman: roland freisler only has so many blocks on his calendar.

22:15:30 shinohai: ;;ticker

22:15:34 gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 416.56, Best ask: 416.57, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 416.0, 24 hour volume: 234623.51943093, 24 hour low: 396.89, 24 hour high: 504.0, 24 hour vwap: None

22:15:58 shinohai: dat fall

22:17:38 punkman: ;;ticker --market all

22:17:46 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 421.13, vol: 98522.50357252 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 419.555, vol: 49462.91604 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 420.0, vol: 234623.51943093 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 477.99, vol: 15.18921874 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 467.100624, vol: 125647.01910000 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 407.5875, vol: 769.35246699 | Volume-weighted last average: 431.784334787

22:18:01 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

22:18:08 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 422.0, vol: 98532.00357252 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 418.0, vol: 49462.91604 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 422.78, vol: 234623.51943093 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 477.99, vol: 15.18921874 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 470.439672, vol: 125652.90920000 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 396.7185, vol: 769.40217199 | Volume-weighted last average: 433.890911628

22:18:18 shinohai: kek

22:31:21 BingoBoingo: It seems this current volatility is a delayed response to drama season. I predict moar wild swings as all this pent up drama acts on Bitcoin price after having been suppressed so long

22:34:55 jurov: lol, bitcoin is ccoming out of the closet?

22:36:21 BingoBoingo: Prolly

22:38:36 BingoBoingo: Not even wrong http://blocksize.org/contra.html

22:38:38 assbot: Blocksize BIP 103 ... ( http://bit.ly/1WwRYhJ )

22:39:03 BingoBoingo: WTF now rejecting BIPs is its own BIP

22:58:16 deedbot-: [Qntra] Fox Lake "Hero" Officer Accused of Suicide and Embezzlement - http://qntra.net/2015/11/fox-lake-hero-officer-accused-of-suicide-and-embezzlement/

23:03:48 asciilifeform: !up imposter

23:03:55 imposter: hello

23:04:04 imposter: is this the trollbox?

23:04:18 BingoBoingo: It is a Trollbox

23:04:20 asciilifeform: nah this is the lolbox

23:04:21 BingoBoingo: https://archive.is/QUus5

23:04:22 assbot: Please don't "fat shame" in catbellies : catbellies ... ( http://bit.ly/1WwUZ1B )

23:05:01 BingoBoingo: "While we can all agree that pet obesity is a problem, and obviously not healthy for our feline friends, please refrain from commenting here about it. Users have been banned, and I hate having to do it. So please don't make me."

23:05:14 BingoBoingo: !up r0kit

23:05:14 shinohai: srsly

23:05:18 imposter: how can i bitcoin

23:05:26 BingoBoingo: Sharpie in pooper?

23:05:31 shinohai: hue

23:05:38 imposter: how can to blockchain

23:05:52 imposter: waht do private keyy

23:05:52 BingoBoingo: ;;google they really are buttcoins nao

23:05:53 gribble: They really are Buttcoins nao on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/they-really-are-buttcoins-nao; February 2013 on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/2013/02; Bitcoin on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/category/bitcoin/

23:05:56 r0kit: hi all

23:06:07 imposter: sup f3kit

23:06:35 r0kit: free fallin is up

23:08:08 jurov: or write code on ur manboobs

23:08:44 shinohai: Classic BingoBoingo .... I thought I remembered you getting someone to do sharpie-in-bunghole on CC one night.

23:11:00 imposter: r0kit are we rich yet?

23:11:36 BingoBoingo: shinohai: I didn't start it, hanbot did on bitcointalk

23:12:33 shinohai: Is there anything hanbot can't do?

23:15:47 asciilifeform: !down imposter

23:15:50 asciilifeform: !down r0kit

23:18:49 mircea_popescu: !ticker

23:18:49 assbot: Um, shouldn't you be with your own tribe or somethin'?

23:18:53 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

23:19:02 gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 398.98, Best ask: 399.25, Bid-ask spread: 0.27000, Last trade: 398.77, 24 hour volume: 261789.41865278, 24 hour low: 366.66, 24 hour high: 504.0, 24 hour vwap: None

23:19:09 mircea_popescu: o hey back to 400 ?

23:19:14 mircea_popescu: what a day.

23:19:25 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform say wut ?

23:19:43 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: see thread

23:19:53 mircea_popescu: mk will be a moment.

23:19:59 asciilifeform: short ver: prolly my overactive imagination

23:20:55 *: asciilifeform spent more or less his entire free time in the past 2 wks reverse-engineering and auditing gpg, incl. compiled binaries. this has a certain effect on the soul.

23:21:26 shinohai: relax and have some tea or something. sheesh.

23:21:43 asciilifeform: shinohai: how could any of it be done without tea

23:22:11 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315850 << kinda how the shittrain is ordered currently, but seems far from optimal.

23:22:11 assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 17:14:50; trinque: asciilifeform: idea being bitcoind uses -connect=proxy and the proxy handles the other end?

23:22:47 asciilifeform: ^ can't accept incoming sockets if you -connect

23:23:19 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a) no depressed is ever logical ; b) no depressed ever admits to this.

23:23:38 *: asciilifeform powerless in the face of this magic

23:25:27 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315896 << what's mk ?

23:25:27 assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 17:30:46; kakobrekla: move to MK, rent a flat for 100 bux, a better one than my ex barrel.

23:25:43 mircea_popescu: oh nm.

23:26:01 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315904 << among them, vin diesel.

23:26:01 assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 17:35:49; asciilifeform: we have a kind of 'barrel' in usa - there is a caste of folks who live in converted 'trailers'

23:27:20 asciilifeform: and marie antoinette lived in a peasant hutch, aha.

23:28:28 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315946 << the notion that those matter is obscene.

23:28:28 assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 18:00:34; asciilifeform: and for every brian micon that needs to be tried for 'illegal bitcoining' you have 1,001 schmucks who were afraid to even read about it because 'they log my packetz'

23:29:09 shinohai: I have tinfoil over mah ethernet cables, I'm safe.

23:29:10 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they don't matter outside of the leprosorium, no

23:29:17 mircea_popescu: or inside.

23:29:18 asciilifeform: but i happen to be inside.

23:29:32 mircea_popescu: who the fuck cares what derpy popcollar aspie[rational] mba does or doesn't do.

23:30:06 mircea_popescu: hey, i like that. aspie[rational]. it describes so very much, from the bayesian pseudoscientards to web analytics derps.

23:31:06 asciilifeform: elsewhere i noted the example of hobby chemistry - where also it seemed that 'how could it possibly matter what derpy kids dare or don't dare to do, and whether they can get ingredients' but it turned out to.

23:31:16 asciilifeform: as in, the whole field pretty much died - at least on this side of the atlantic

23:32:00 ben_vulpes: http://matrix.org/

23:32:01 assbot: Matrix.org | A new basis for open, distributed, real-time communication ... ( http://bit.ly/1WARu56 )

23:32:11 mircea_popescu: next i'm gonna read about how the us mattered scientifically at some point in its history ?

23:32:31 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: ick

23:32:53 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: go on...

23:32:54 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: very briefly, 1870-1970 or so.

23:33:06 shinohai: protonmail still under ddos hue

23:33:14 mircea_popescu: re the peter todd nlocktime derpage : there exists a perfectly legitimate problem with anchoring bitcoin time to political time.

23:33:15 BingoBoingo: * asciilifeform powerless in the face of this magic << Serenity to accept the things that cannot change, courage to change the things that can, wisdom to know the difference (TM)(R)

23:33:24 mircea_popescu: the solutions proposed aren't very good, but this does not make the problem go away

23:33:45 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i fail to see it as anything other than john smithing.

23:33:54 mircea_popescu: to me he's the archetypical ustardian scientist.

23:34:09 mircea_popescu: "translating" "ancient egyptian" with rocks in a hat.

23:34:30 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: tricky bit. the folks who mattered (nick t., o. lilienfeld - semiconductor, the lot) weren't u.s. bred

23:34:35 asciilifeform: but they did their thing there, because cheap moneyz.

23:34:35 mircea_popescu: quite.

23:34:58 mircea_popescu: to that sort of thing, there isn't a there.

23:35:02 mircea_popescu: there only is a who.

23:35:19 *: asciilifeform to the extent he is good for anything, isn't really a product of usa either

23:35:26 mircea_popescu: which is why the republic doesn't (and currently shouldn't) be a place.

23:35:28 mircea_popescu: it should be a who.

23:35:38 asciilifeform: still gotta park the whos somewhere.

23:35:42 mircea_popescu: not so.

23:35:51 mircea_popescu: gotta park the hos anywhere.

23:35:59 mircea_popescu: that's a chief point on the ho training schedule.

23:36:10 BingoBoingo: !b 4

23:36:11 assbot: Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/07M8JR5.txt )

23:38:40 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1316243 << at one point (see old logz) i came very close to solving this. basic idea is to set up a dynamic equilibrium situation where anyone who deviates from correct wallclock time becomes prey in proportion to this deviation.

23:38:40 assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 23:33:14; mircea_popescu: re the peter todd nlocktime derpage : there exists a perfectly legitimate problem with anchoring bitcoin time to political time.

23:38:41 mircea_popescu: anyway, why are we even discussing the nlocktime thing ? lot of version 4 blocks or what ?

23:38:54 asciilifeform: but unfortunately i have not the time and energy to flesh this out into a working mechanism

23:39:06 mircea_popescu: the best thing you can do for it is to get the pogo ready to go.

23:39:06 *: asciilifeform ^ ought to have an abbreviation for the above.

23:39:13 mircea_popescu: we aren't relaying nonconformant blocks.

23:39:27 *: asciilifeform sure as fuck won't be

23:39:39 mircea_popescu: this is not the same thing.

23:40:29 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315984 << this is inept policy. the correct move is not to care.

23:40:29 assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 18:20:23; asciilifeform: so into iptables it goes.

23:40:42 mircea_popescu: if you care, then the argument is why do you care about this but not thatr, and sooner or later you won't notice one.

23:40:46 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i realized this when it was too late.

23:40:51 asciilifeform: and i had already mentioned it.

23:40:53 mircea_popescu: ask first, act after.

23:40:55 mircea_popescu: k

23:41:06 mircea_popescu: my god these strawberries are great.

23:41:42 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315996 << lmao you don't understand how the world works.

23:41:42 assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 18:27:40; asciilifeform: i insist on being shot for high treason rather than for somehow associating with spamming scum.

23:42:02 mircea_popescu: treasonous nsa subdirectorate head got done for "killing people" the [meanwhile deceased] chief of police killed.

23:42:27 mircea_popescu: you're a weirdo, so my money's on you going for "sex crimes".

23:42:37 *: asciilifeform will have to study hard for this one

23:42:42 BingoBoingo: Let us not forget unsolvable police killing becomes suicide of disgrace http://qntra.net/2015/11/fox-lake-hero-officer-accused-of-suicide-and-embezzlement/

23:42:43 assbot: Fox Lake "Hero" Officer Accused of Suicide and Embezzlement | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1GMjHUI )

23:42:55 mircea_popescu: lmao accused of suicide

23:43:07 BingoBoingo: Seriously

23:43:17 mircea_popescu: that place is so lulzy...

23:43:18 BingoBoingo: accused of suicide

23:43:26 BingoBoingo: Tis a felony here

23:43:35 BingoBoingo: Not attempting, but succeeding

23:43:36 asciilifeform: l0l do they help finish ya off

23:43:36 mircea_popescu: like it was in spain.

23:44:03 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Nope, just shuttle you to the trailer living caste

23:44:16 *: shinohai is a proponent of legal euthanasia.

23:44:36 asciilifeform: shinohai: all of us has legal euthanasia. just point a pen knife at a cop.

23:45:03 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1316024 <<< ahahaha what!

23:45:03 assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 18:45:43; asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu what is the proper defence against getting 'shremmed' ?

23:45:11 shinohai: I prefer wine laced with hemlock but whatevs.

23:45:16 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this was in reference to the carder episode

23:45:19 mircea_popescu: the "thread" isn't a thread nor does it make it any clearer. what magic talismans are you asking of ?

23:45:27 mircea_popescu: i still don';t get it.

23:45:35 asciilifeform: none, realized the correct answer at the end.

23:45:39 mircea_popescu: aite.

23:46:14 shinohai: Anyoone ever notice te striking resemblnce between Gavin & Porky Pig ?

23:46:19 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1316029 <<< i have a faint recollection of the thing being in this "we'll draft it" position before and magically not getting drafted.

23:46:19 assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 18:47:41; jurov: we will draft it if anyone has serious interest

23:47:26 BingoBoingo: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature16057.html << Note they decline to identify the antiboitic in the conjugate without paying for the paper, leaving open the possibility one of the many agents more effective than vancomycin was used.

23:47:27 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GMk9SW )

23:47:59 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1316034 << a) get out of the us. now. shut the rationalizations, i really don't want to hear them, there's no excuse ; b) make a pile of dead droppable content ; c) surround yourself with angry people with guns, bonus points if female.

23:47:59 assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 18:50:13; *: asciilifeform would like input from his WoT re: what is the correct thing to do with obvious usg honeytrapping as described earlier.

23:48:01 mircea_popescu: in that order.

23:48:04 BingoBoingo: WOrthless abstract

23:48:18 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you forgot: the broomstick.

23:48:32 asciilifeform: which i suppose is d)

23:48:48 mircea_popescu: as v.i.lenin said, people who get involved in revolutions best learn to like prison food.

23:49:06 mircea_popescu: i think it was in http://fraudsters.com/2012/cine-se-casatoreste/

23:49:07 assbot: Cine se casatoreste... on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GMkmWp )

23:49:37 asciilifeform: in all fairness, the prison lenin sat in was a joke compared to present-day

23:49:42 asciilifeform: you could just up and walk out.

23:50:45 mircea_popescu: anyway, in the general, this is the closed form life equation of people doing something worthwhile : they have a terrible time as kids because their parents are idiots ; they get fucking stampeded as adults, because people are lazy ; they get all the accolades, moneys and bitches when they're old, because it doesn't do anything for them anymore (thus it's finally safe) ; once they're dead they get to be the face sellin

23:50:45 mircea_popescu: g whatever stupid shit, because they can no longer protest.

23:51:09 asciilifeform: sop.

23:51:25 mircea_popescu: not likely to change for you.

23:51:37 *: asciilifeform has a very special loathing for 'tesla' car, solely on account of the name abuse

23:51:43 mircea_popescu: fine example.

23:52:02 asciilifeform: there is, i regret to say, also an 'intel edison' (small pc thing)

23:52:06 mircea_popescu: they had a bullshit college in ro, which yielded http://fraudsters.com/2009/n-am-putea-sa-avem-si-noi/

23:52:07 assbot: N-am putea sa avem si noi on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GMkDbM )

23:52:14 asciilifeform: and there was even an 'nvidia tesla' gpu card.

23:52:24 asciilifeform: let's not forget galois corporation

23:52:26 mircea_popescu: (rthere should be an office to approve usage of names for purposes, consisting of a clerk with a REJECTED stamp)

23:52:47 asciilifeform: i could carry on, but why.

23:53:48 asciilifeform: most don't get to stage 3 though.

23:54:07 asciilifeform: just skip straight to dead.

23:55:55 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1316047 <<< this is such a deep misrepresentation of the shrem thing as to boggle the mind.

23:55:55 assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 18:54:25; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: usg algo is, as i understand: 1) pick a fella who needs to have problems 2) steer known scum to his $thing 3) have it be established that he knows of (2) 4) pick him up as a thieves' fence

23:56:10 *: asciilifeform will admit that he did not closely follow the case

23:56:20 mircea_popescu: do you actually know what happened there and deliberately misrepresent or do you just use in your thought process things you understand at fishwrap level ?

23:56:31 mircea_popescu: well looky here! why are you using things you don't know!

23:56:42 asciilifeform: because i have 36 hands and they're all full ?

23:56:47 mircea_popescu: do you program like this too ? "fuck knows what this function does but the name seems to have the right number of vowels" ?

23:56:50 mircea_popescu: !up Cristina

23:56:53 mircea_popescu: this is not an excuse.

23:56:59 mircea_popescu: if you can't do something right don't do it.

23:57:11 asciilifeform: sometimes it tries to do me, however.

23:57:16 mircea_popescu: so ?

23:58:08 mircea_popescu: derp conspired with some other derp to break the very promises he made in writing to the usg!

23:58:22 mircea_popescu: how many degrees of separation is this ? didja sign a promise to the usg to police the blockchain ?

23:58:23 asciilifeform: iirc it went something like 'shrem sold a candybar to dpr while knowing what dpr did'

23:58:28 mircea_popescu: mno.

23:58:35 *: asciilifeform goes and reads.

23:58:57 mircea_popescu: shrem registered as a money transmitter, and named himself as the agent in charge of making sure ustardation is implemented.

23:59:19 mircea_popescu: then shrem met some derp at a bar and they came up with a plan which consisted of shrem not noticing the derp is doing the opposite

23:59:25 mircea_popescu: then the derp told on him.

23:59:31 asciilifeform: i think i realized what i did here

23:59:36 asciilifeform: confused the florida fool for shrem

23:59:41 asciilifeform: what was that one's name...

23:59:51 mircea_popescu: who, the death&taxes dude ?