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00:01:16 BlueMeanie4: just watch that video i posted. many regular black ppl think this is bogus, but they suppress that

00:01:36 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how it matters obviously depends on context, but i was merely discussing the principle.

00:01:37 BlueMeanie4: tells you that the agenda here is something quite different. They WANT tensions- that is the goal

00:01:55 mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 that's fairly uncontroversial.

00:02:21 BlueMeanie4: maybe for you, but the average mouthbreathing american goes by TV or Twitter feed

00:02:22 undata: I don't deny that there could be foreign interest in stirring this up, but there's plenty of homegrown entitlement and idiocy to go around too

00:03:15 undata: watching people "protest" in Portand over #fergie was a joke

00:03:20 undata: *land

00:03:28 danielpbarron: BlueMeanie4, and you want them in the wot???

00:03:29 BlueMeanie4: i think there is a long term plan to break down america

00:03:38 BlueMeanie4: this place has become a !@#$ing nut house in the past 15 years

00:03:43 BlueMeanie4: everyone accept this at this point

00:03:49 undata: the thing that comes after it will be worse.

00:03:52 undata: I'm certain of that

00:03:58 BlueMeanie4: undata, oh im sure about that

00:04:00 mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 there are numerous long, middle and short plans to break down anything standing all the time.

00:04:08 BlueMeanie4: true true

00:04:11 mircea_popescu: there's a bunch of aureus on your armpit hatching one regarding you, right now.

00:04:31 BlueMeanie4: youre never one to hold back on graphic imagry

00:05:00 mircea_popescu: the important point here isn't that such plans exist, as they always do.

00:05:08 mircea_popescu: the important part here is just how weakly this old man is.

00:05:15 BlueMeanie4: ya but its getting so obvious at this point, many ppl are like- ok whats going to happen now, total breakdown?

00:05:17 undata: that's what I'm anticipating; bezzleland seizes up, and there's a horde of superstitious morons suddenly available as a resource

00:05:20 undata: someone's going to grab that

00:05:26 mircea_popescu: time to jump ship, because the idiots that persist in "working for the government" WILL be hanged.

00:05:38 mircea_popescu: i didn't get too far with my bloodlust in the romanian collapse,

00:05:42 mircea_popescu: but i shan't be denied again.

00:05:52 BlueMeanie4: just the low level morons will get hung

00:06:08 mircea_popescu: no.

00:06:17 mircea_popescu: the low level morons might escape, maybe

00:06:17 BingoBoingo: BlueMeanie4: That's kinder imagery than the Candida.

00:06:19 mircea_popescu: if they find a tyorne.

00:06:37 BlueMeanie4: MP: ever seen these videos? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZnkULuWFDg

00:06:38 assbot: Yuri Bezmenov (former kgb) Psychological Warfare Subversion & Control of Western Society - Complete - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FPDDkU )

00:06:49 BlueMeanie4: its edgy but wow, explains a lot if true

00:06:50 mircea_popescu: i dun watch videos.

00:06:59 BlueMeanie4: only IRC

00:07:17 *: asciilifeform seen. snore.

00:07:50 BlueMeanie4: its just getting totally nuts here, you have to scotch tape the camera on your cell phone so they dont turn it on and record you

00:07:51 BingoBoingo: Spurious meaningless hash: e2686815cd46d6fe0b4212349238868cd8646cda

00:08:11 BingoBoingo: BlueMeanie4: You phone has a camera?

00:08:13 BlueMeanie4: meanwhile the Californians are like: but it's got Flappybird!

00:08:26 mircea_popescu: lmao wtf is this.

00:08:28 BlueMeanie4: actually no, i have a clamshell

00:09:57 BlueMeanie4: when did romania collapse exactly?

00:10:03 BingoBoingo: I alternate between clamshell and candybar with a keyboard for texting bitches

00:10:41 BingoBoingo: !up BlueMeanie4

00:10:58 BlueMeanie4: Americans are about to get a taste of all this

00:11:05 BlueMeanie4: mostly for the first time in their lives

00:11:13 BlueMeanie4: they've lived in uber-affluence for decades

00:12:20 asciilifeform: taste of what?

00:12:34 asciilifeform: of collapse? plenty savouring the taste as we speak.

00:12:53 asciilifeform: 'you will not know that collapse has happened until it happens to you.' (orlov)

00:13:17 undata: I don't buy that our primary enemy isn't our own CIA.

00:13:28 asciilifeform: !s meta-nsa

00:13:29 assbot: 34 results for 'meta-nsa' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=meta-nsa

00:13:45 BlueMeanie4: i like Orlov

00:13:46 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform re hyalus flexibile (there's no such thing as flexile, and vitreus -a -um is an adjective in latin, directly mapping on vitreous) : http://www.poezie.ro/index.php/poetry/13925568/index.html

00:13:47 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FPEiCP )

00:13:53 BlueMeanie4: he wrote this great article on 'dofenism' one of my favs

00:13:58 undata: they're going to cause a collapse then their meat-puppet is going to pull an american-flavored hitler

00:14:11 mircea_popescu: tl;dr : architect hired to build monastery, walls keep falling down, builds his young pregnant wife in there, walls stand,

00:14:15 BlueMeanie4: something like that ya

00:14:21 mircea_popescu: king takes stairs away.

00:14:24 BingoBoingo: More spurious hash: ce0f9ddab79c55d0b8ca31252e4f49f262be90b7

00:14:40 mircea_popescu: undata how do you define "primary" ? closest ?

00:14:50 mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 dec 1989

00:16:01 asciilifeform: ;;google vitrum flexile

00:16:01 gribble: New Flexible Glass Will Significantly Reduce The Cost Of Solar ...: http://www.industrytap.com/new-flexible-glass-will-significantly-reduce-the-cost-of-solar-panels/11739; “Flexible” Roman Glass? | Corning Museum of Glass: http://www.cmog.org/article/flexible-roman-glass; Flexible glass - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flexible_glass

00:16:10 mircea_popescu: shrug.

00:16:23 undata: mircea_popescu: the enemy which is opening the orifices through which our other enemies are barging in

00:16:36 mircea_popescu: undata you know, tyrone is not your enemy.

00:16:43 asciilifeform: http://books.google.com/books?id=jIQCAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA372&lpg=PA372&dq=vitrum+flexile&source=bl&ots=ISyiWf4qVt&sig=-DRhWHSfwpu_Lis_-Nv4XBdp_X8&hl=en&sa=X&ei=0ad_VKbZHsSLyATxzIGIBQ&ved=0CEsQ6AEwCTgK#v=onepage&q=vitrum%20flexile&f=false

00:16:44 assbot: C. Plini Secundi Naturalis historiae libri xxxvii., recens. et comm ... - Pliny (the Elder.) - Google Books ... ( http://bit.ly/12wcrcQ )

00:16:53 mircea_popescu: eh bloody hell.

00:17:03 BlueMeanie4: 1989? here's what we were doing http://media.giphy.com/media/xDrn9oG797R96/giphy.gif

00:17:07 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/12wcuW4 )

00:17:14 mircea_popescu: yeah, flexile esset works.

00:18:13 BlueMeanie4: the disparity in attitudes is just tremendous

00:19:02 BlueMeanie4: California in particular is going to be a huge mess. they can't pay their bills esp pensions and social services, politicians keep passing the buck

00:19:22 BlueMeanie4: then you talk to a californian, and it's like : NEW BMW! something is very wrong here

00:20:20 undata: BlueMeanie4: http://nwnewsnetwork.org/post/study-offshore-fault-where-big-one-originates-eerily-quiet

00:20:22 assbot: Study: Offshore Fault Where The 'Big One' Originates Eerily Quiet | NW News Network ... ( http://bit.ly/12wcPrK )

00:20:31 undata: maybe that'll take care of the west coast (and me along with it!)

00:20:34 undata: haha

00:20:47 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i guess it can work as glass too. the noun i only knew as woad, paint.

00:20:50 mats_cd03: california's getting fixed, slowly. legislature's getting their shit together, but who knows if its enough

00:20:58 BlueMeanie4: oh ya, the ppl who live in the interior LOVE earthquakes

00:21:11 BlueMeanie4: they dont come out and say it but they all silently hope California falls into the ocean

00:21:22 BlueMeanie4: getting fixed? haha

00:21:29 BlueMeanie4: let me guess - you live therE?

00:21:36 mats_cd03: earthquakes don't have anything to do with governance

00:21:53 mats_cd03: i lived there for several years

00:23:52 BingoBoingo: Now Illinois, that's a quality mess.

00:23:54 mircea_popescu: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=516&cpage=1#comment-1842 << gotta love this.

00:23:56 assbot: Loper OS » Roman Lisp ... ( http://bit.ly/12wdeKW )

00:24:00 mircea_popescu: "how do you avoid screwing over idiots ?!?!?!"

00:24:03 mircea_popescu: dude i dunno... why would i ?

00:24:28 BlueMeanie4: basically the whole country is a mess

00:24:38 mats_cd03: what a novel thought.

00:26:46 BingoBoingo: Now that the governor elect here in Illinois is getting briefed on how fucked the state is, I'm thinking he might quit before he can get sworn in.

00:27:40 mircea_popescu: lol has this happened yet ?

00:28:10 BlueMeanie4: ive heard stories about rural illinois

00:28:12 BlueMeanie4: wow

00:28:18 mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 the "whole country" is only "a mess" in the sense that random idiots are inept, and the model where you run a continent as a centrally planned economy requires a lot more than a conclave of idiots in charge.

00:28:30 mircea_popescu: otherwise, the country'd recover and do just fine if left the fuck alone.

00:28:49 undata: BlueMeanie4: I could just as easily see this Yuri character as anticommunist psyops

00:28:50 BlueMeanie4: ya 'centralization' is the problem, weve never had this much federal power before, mostly the states governed themselves

00:29:13 BlueMeanie4: since 911 it's been crazy

00:29:20 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Not yet. But he is getting more and more dejected in appearances.

00:29:24 BlueMeanie4: now add to that all this spying, social media presence, etc.

00:29:51 BingoBoingo: Celebrated winning the election, but... pretty despondent ever since

00:30:00 BlueMeanie4: they're using these various front issues to break down state soveireignty

00:31:17 mircea_popescu: here's a simple reform idea : take guns away from police. because government employees are slaves, and slaves don't belong carrying arms. that's for citizens only.

00:31:31 mircea_popescu: if a policeman wants to report a crime, he gotta find a citizen and get his help.

00:32:04 mircea_popescu: slaves don't get to stand their ground, they get to scurry away and seek help.

00:32:18 BingoBoingo: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30302261

00:32:19 assbot: BBC News - AK-47 maker Kalashnikov gives rifles makeover ... ( http://bit.ly/1FPFJ49 )

00:32:19 mircea_popescu: and if you're unable or unwilling to stand your ground, well... you're not a citien either. go find one and hide behind him.

00:32:39 BlueMeanie4: fact is

00:32:42 mircea_popescu: solves the fake "problems" in all of five minutes, but also exposes the real problem :

00:32:45 mircea_popescu: no citizens, no country.

00:32:55 BlueMeanie4: in most american cities, esp. most black neighborhoods they wouldn't dare remove the police

00:33:10 mircea_popescu: why not ?

00:33:13 BlueMeanie4: ha

00:33:30 mircea_popescu: go suck off to tyrone, why should the state push things away from equilibrium.

00:33:31 BlueMeanie4: it would turn into utter chaos

00:33:44 BingoBoingo: Compare to http://rt.com/news/210751-kalashnikov-rifle-new-brand/

00:33:45 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FPG1YI )

00:33:45 mircea_popescu: if tyrone's the man and you're the woman, wear the fucking cock cage and go about your business.

00:34:24 BlueMeanie4: as that last video showed, there are plenty of ppl of all colors who do not want the police removed

00:34:51 mircea_popescu: yeah, but that;'s principally because they suck.

00:34:52 BlueMeanie4: this is what a lot of these protestors dont understand, most are white middle/upper class

00:35:03 BlueMeanie4: they really have no idea what living in a low income area is like

00:35:17 BlueMeanie4: to them 'police' are these annoying characters who want to get between them and their pot habit

00:35:18 mircea_popescu: there's no such thing as a low income "area".

00:35:21 mircea_popescu: it's the people.

00:35:28 BlueMeanie4: tis the most immature deluded nonsense you can imagine

00:36:03 BlueMeanie4: its really nothing like e. europe, there are underlying tensions that you just dont have in a place like Romania

00:36:07 mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 let me tell you something. they got bums everwhere here. one night, one prolly drunk dude got rambunctious and started yelling.

00:36:10 BlueMeanie4: there isnt the the underlying urge to robe your neighbor

00:36:14 undata: BlueMeanie4: I recall some "livestreamer" of the PDX "protest" calling them pigs, then chatting up a girl

00:36:17 mircea_popescu: random passerbys threatened and yelled him down.

00:36:26 mircea_popescu: this is why this country is safe. plenty of citizens.

00:36:32 BlueMeanie4: undata- oh ya , we call them Trustafarians

00:36:43 BlueMeanie4: Rastafarians with Trust Funds

00:36:50 mircea_popescu: the us... heck, they're so fucking cowardly you can piss in their face and they'll likely limit themselves to complaining sottovoce.

00:37:01 BingoBoingo: "They should make Kalashnikov Mobile phones.. With high level of rugged-ness to be used in the harsher parts of the world..."

00:37:15 BlueMeanie4: oh sure Romania is probably safer than NYC, certianly safer than NYC with no police

00:37:22 mircea_popescu: here is buenos aires.

00:37:31 BlueMeanie4: oh ok

00:37:42 mircea_popescu: a town 3x the size of nyc.

00:37:48 BlueMeanie4: ya the 'hipster' set is clearly a major part of the problem

00:37:56 BlueMeanie4: mainly white kids reared on Obama nonsense

00:38:04 BlueMeanie4: they have no relationship with reality

00:38:07 undata: reared on social media nonsense

00:38:12 BlueMeanie4: yep

00:38:14 undata: hence what you mention last

00:38:19 BlueMeanie4: one and the same with homo redditicus

00:38:22 undata: "it's real if it's twatted"

00:38:26 BlueMeanie4: see: Tumblr

00:38:38 mircea_popescu: so.. yeah, this "police will protect us" thing is going to last what, another year or two.

00:38:56 BlueMeanie4: they have no real concept of how the world works

00:39:04 BlueMeanie4: most dont even have jobs, just support from parents

00:39:14 undata: BlueMeanie4: less and less of that with the economy as it is

00:39:16 BlueMeanie4: they are an increasingly ridiculed group

00:39:24 undata: the most recent generation is wasting away in the service industry

00:39:28 undata: making pizzas

00:39:41 BlueMeanie4: yep pretty sad, you can read about what is underneath on 4chan/pol/

00:39:46 BlueMeanie4: and its not pretty

00:40:02 BlueMeanie4: youve got a lot of clear Nazi ideas building up

00:40:07 undata: yep

00:40:40 mircea_popescu: <undata> making pizzas << aaaand whose brilliant idea is that "we don't need industry, we can grow rich by doing each other's laundry" ?

00:40:44 BlueMeanie4: twatter is the most hilarious for sure

00:40:47 mircea_popescu: "it's easier" right.

00:40:58 BlueMeanie4: MP: we can grow rich by serving each other Lattes!

00:41:04 mircea_popescu: glwt.

00:41:05 BlueMeanie4: pumpkin spice lattes to be precise

00:41:19 BlueMeanie4: no investment in infrastructure

00:41:23 BlueMeanie4: no investment in real education

00:41:33 BlueMeanie4: everyone is pushing money around or spying on citizens

00:41:41 undata: !up BlueMeanie4

00:41:46 BlueMeanie4: danke

00:41:49 undata: bitte

00:42:10 BlueMeanie4: but no doubt this isnt going to end well

00:42:22 undata: it'll end in a dictator

00:42:25 BlueMeanie4: yep

00:42:36 mircea_popescu: heh. like who.

00:42:44 BlueMeanie4: because the asshats will DEMAND their 'standard of living' be preserved

00:42:54 mircea_popescu: where is hte painter. show me the painter.

00:43:17 undata: mircea_popescu: he's so far unknown

00:43:35 BlueMeanie4: it will be King Blue Meanie

00:44:09 mircea_popescu: anyway, it's not generally peoples wanting their "standard of living being preserved" that end up with hitler.

00:44:19 mircea_popescu: those generally go fight in the trenches for five years.

00:44:30 mircea_popescu: it's their thoroughly debased and humiliated sons an' daughters that get the hitler.

00:44:47 undata: seems we're headed for humiliation, no?

00:44:47 BlueMeanie4: there are parallels for sure

00:45:07 undata: worldwide empire reduced to economic crater

00:45:49 BlueMeanie4: i can def. see some states just dropping out of this

00:46:00 BlueMeanie4: Texas

00:46:01 undata: BlueMeanie4: and being coerced back in, I'd think

00:46:23 undata: the military though takes steps to avoid a state having its own state-sized chunk of military

00:46:24 BlueMeanie4: the concept of the average Texan is miles apart from where Obama is taking the US

00:46:41 BlueMeanie4: ya it's called Gun Control

00:46:44 undata: BlueMeanie4: I'm actually from there

00:47:01 BlueMeanie4: i live in a red state, generally stay away from the blue areas

00:47:01 undata: BlueMeanie4: gun control, but they also ship people around so they don't have a group that's entirely from one state

00:47:49 BlueMeanie4: ya lots of technique

00:47:58 BlueMeanie4: but fact is ppl are getting more and more aware

00:48:56 undata: hah, maybe we're headed for a Lincoln

00:48:59 undata: not a Hitler

00:49:26 BlueMeanie4: civil war?

00:49:35 BlueMeanie4: could happen i think, not far fetched

00:50:05 undata: yeah, say there's a large economic collapse and the federal system starts to deteriorate

00:50:12 undata: somebody rides in to "save the union"

00:50:17 BlueMeanie4: well if that happens

00:50:24 BlueMeanie4: then theyll start taxing everyone like crazy

00:50:35 undata: that could be the new thing, "domestic terrorism" vs the federal system

00:50:36 BlueMeanie4: Texas and perhaps a coalition will basically say FU

00:50:48 BlueMeanie4: right and the feds will label them domestic terrorists

00:51:12 undata: one could see lots of the "antiterrorism" stuff as prepping for a civil war

00:51:17 BlueMeanie4: he already clearly violates the Constitution

00:51:30 BlueMeanie4: absolutely

00:51:38 BlueMeanie4: theyre not prepping to get Al Queda

00:51:52 undata: right, they know full well that the economic system is a sham, and is going to implode

00:51:56 BlueMeanie4: they are anticipating things getting out of control

00:51:58 undata: so they've been getting this stuff ready

00:52:50 undata: arguably this domestic terrorism thing has been there in the US since the start

00:53:03 undata: "domestic terrorism" redefined as any sort of anti-federal thing

00:53:38 BlueMeanie4: no one remmeber Ollie North

00:54:29 BlueMeanie4: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_84

00:54:30 assbot: Rex 84 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1FPOFq4 )

00:54:53 undata: yep

00:55:42 BlueMeanie4: fun times

00:56:01 undata: times to wait and squirel away nuts

00:56:25 BlueMeanie4: any advice from Romania on how to survive economic collapse and govt takeover?

00:56:38 undata: argentina might have some things to say there as well

00:57:36 BingoBoingo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot

00:57:38 assbot: Business Plot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1w2Ppak )

00:58:29 undata: good old prescott bush and friends

00:59:39 BlueMeanie4: yep

01:01:52 BlueMeanie4: moving to Russia ASAP

01:02:03 undata: I don't see how that's better

01:03:37 BlueMeanie4: http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1417652023224.jpg

01:03:37 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FPRwPR )

01:03:39 BlueMeanie4: see now?

01:05:46 undata: BlueMeanie4: that it lacks that form of cancer does not mean it lacks cancer

01:05:53 undata: hilarious picture though

01:10:43 mircea_popescu: actually kinda funny what hoover had to say abgout getting off gold.

01:11:56 cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/12/bitcoin-domain-registrations-shown-to-correlate-with-bitcoin-price/

01:11:56 assbot: Bitcoin Domain Registrations Shown To Correlate With Bitcoin Price | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1FPTvno )

01:12:58 undata: !up BlueMeanie4

01:14:14 BlueMeanie4: re. cryptos

01:14:23 BlueMeanie4: bitcoin remains a mystery

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01:37:11 cazalla: BlueMeanie4: yep pretty sad, you can read about what is underneath on 4chan/pol/ <<< in hindsight, /pol/ was a short stop otw to #b-a, once i began to put in more time here, i pretty much stopped putting in any time at /pol/

01:38:31 BlueMeanie4: whats b-a?

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02:11:34 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://bitbet.us/bet/859/cardano-to-ship-in-2014/#c4350 lol

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02:27:49 BingoBoingo: !b 1

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02:33:19 kakobrekla: adlai ?

02:33:45 decimation: re: only citizens could carry guns << that's a very good idea, and probably very close to what the 'founding fathers' had in mind

02:33:46 kakobrekla: bb doesnt have a red and green light but it does have a red and green buttons

02:34:17 decimation: now the situation is reversed, and citizens must ask police to wield guns. This confusion is at the root of much of what is wrong with usg.

02:34:22 mircea_popescu: decimation yes, but you know exactly why it won't happen.

02:34:45 mircea_popescu: no us citizen alive today is willing to sucker punch the wife if she talks back

02:34:52 mircea_popescu: also something the founding fathers had in mind.

02:35:00 mircea_popescu: and that's where it starts.

02:35:11 adlai: when there's a deterministic profile for further scrutiny (public announcement of the bet in-channel), those who specifically wish to minimize scrutiny will stay just outside the profile. what if we make it non-deterministic?

02:35:47 mircea_popescu: why shouldn't people who want to stay outside of scrutiny be able to ?

02:41:23 decimation: http://www.xenosystems.net/the-islamic-vortex-note-3a/ << herr land dismisses isis

02:41:25 assbot: Outside in - Involvements with reality » Blog Archive » The Islamic Vortex (Note-3a) ... ( http://bit.ly/1vNPo8c )

02:43:02 mircea_popescu: whossat ?

02:43:09 TomServo: I like the cops with no guns, find a citizen approach.

02:43:26 kakobrekla: non-deterministic < better to stream comments to #b-a and harness the power of trolls

02:43:41 decimation: the xenosystems author

02:44:00 TomServo: But shouldn't a citizen also be capable of finding a wife that doesn't require a sucker punch?

02:44:30 mircea_popescu: decimation i thought mebbe you knew him better.

02:44:40 decimation: TomServo: why would you want to neglect her/.

02:44:42 mircea_popescu: TomServo such wives exist only in a world where people are WILLING TO slap them.

02:44:42 *: asciilifeform lulz, having missed all the good shit

02:45:08 TomServo: decimation: neglect?

02:45:09 decimation: mircea_popescu: nah, just been following his writings

02:45:21 mircea_popescu: it's like the nukes exactly. kids that know they can't EVER get in trouble grow up with various mental illnesses. kids that grow up knowing they could easily get in trouble grow up fine, and generally don't need to be beaten either.

02:45:31 mircea_popescu: yes, exactly neglect.

02:45:48 mircea_popescu: i dunno what's more insulting than the plain declaration that "[i really don't care enough about you to be bothered to] ever beat you"

02:46:33 TomServo: I guess I don't understand why a beating is necessary when you have a sufficiently advanced human capable of reasoning. Help me out?

02:46:41 decimation: lol

02:46:55 decimation: I have an AI cult to sell

02:47:27 mircea_popescu: TomServo the theory is that you don't get that advanced human in any unverse that doesn't include beating as a possibility.

02:47:48 mircea_popescu: decimation shoot.

02:47:52 asciilifeform: you might - by sheer accident.

02:48:02 asciilifeform: just as a small spot, on some rusted razors - semiconducts.

02:48:40 asciilifeform: brings to mind an old thread:

02:48:40 mircea_popescu: yes, but because of networking effects this isn't useful.

02:48:48 mircea_popescu: just like rusted razors aren't programmable.

02:48:49 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-04-2014#617148 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-04-2014#617149

02:48:49 assbot: Logged on 11-04-2014 11:50:41; Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu would retort with "who the fuck wants to fuck stupid people"

02:48:49 assbot: Logged on 11-04-2014 11:50:51; mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic men.

02:49:01 decimation: http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2014/12/nick_bostrom_on.html this derp was on econtalk

02:49:02 assbot: " + soundfiledesc + " ... ( http://bit.ly/1vNReGc )

02:49:29 decimation: "The way you talk about superintelligence reminds me a lot about how medieval theologians talked about God. It's unbounded. It can do anything. Except maybe created a rock so heavy it can't move it. Has anyone ever made that observation to you, and what's your reaction to that? Guest: I think you might be the first, at least that I can remember. Russ: Hmmm."

02:49:45 mircea_popescu: lmao.

02:49:47 asciilifeform: !s yudkowsky

02:49:48 assbot: 8 results for 'yudkowsky' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=yudkowsky

02:49:58 asciilifeform: ^ current hitler of that sect

02:50:10 decimation: hehe yeah asciilifeform this guy has to be in yudkowsky's orbit somehow

02:50:44 TomServo: mircea_popescu: no matter the level of advancement, always beat?

02:51:07 mircea_popescu: if she's advanced enough that she stops shitting

02:51:12 mircea_popescu: i shall review your question.

02:51:13 decimation: yeah yudkowsky and him co-wrote a paper on the 'ethics of artificial intelligence'

02:51:31 TomServo: lol?

02:51:36 decimation: www.nickbostrom.com/ethics/artificial-intelligence.pdf

02:51:36 mircea_popescu: well ? what is this "advanced"

02:51:38 asciilifeform: TomServo: it is possible to play the 'advanced' game, but you probably cannot assemble mircea_popescu's harem that way.

02:51:46 TomServo: So you never graduate from beating?

02:51:51 asciilifeform: lucky if even find one wife.

02:51:53 mircea_popescu: from the possibility thereof ?

02:51:55 decimation: TomServo: do you graduate from having to eat?

02:52:02 mircea_popescu: how. do you graduate from being sick ? bored ?

02:52:06 mircea_popescu: you don't graduate from reality.

02:52:17 asciilifeform: trained circus lion 'graduates from beating.'

02:52:23 asciilifeform: as i understand, same idea here.

02:52:25 undata: I think this is predicated on "beat everyone"

02:52:30 TomServo: Is there some definition of beating I'm unaware of?

02:52:39 decimation: asciilifeform: offer carrot & stick, eventually only carrot is needed?

02:52:41 kakobrekla: since we are pasting links re ai; http://i1.kym-cdn.com/news_feeds/icons/original/000/015/610/48a.gif

02:52:42 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1vNS71u )

02:52:52 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not at all.

02:53:08 decimation: kakobrekla: lol

02:53:43 mircea_popescu: TomServo http://fraudsters.com/2011/cum-se-bate-femeia/ ?

02:53:44 assbot: Cum se bate femeia ? pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1vNSoBA )

02:54:48 asciilifeform: actually, this is almost a fundamental question. like 'sexual orientation.' how many 'iq' points below yours (for a particular fellow) does 'zoophilia' begin ?

02:54:52 TomServo: mircea_popescu: Due to a lack of beatings, I haven't yet learned Romanian.

02:55:01 TomServo: I apologize.

02:55:01 asciilifeform: i suspect there is great variation

02:55:20 mircea_popescu: lol i guess you're stuck looking at pictures ?

02:55:32 mircea_popescu: but no, the definition is i imagine quite ordinary.

02:55:49 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i srsly doubt iq points measure anything useful.

02:55:51 TomServo: How does beating relate to eating?

02:55:57 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: call it whatever.

02:56:07 mircea_popescu: TomServo they're fundamental in the same way.

02:56:20 decimation: mircea_popescu: perhaps not, but one can still measure them, and find that measures correlate

02:56:30 asciilifeform: i'll volunteer that i can't easily lust over any creature detectably stupider than self.

02:56:31 mircea_popescu: i suppose i should say "through the carrot", for elegance of form :D

02:56:52 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'll bet you you couldn't discern between a well trained and an intelligent creature.

02:57:06 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in the right kind of circus - absolutely

02:57:12 mircea_popescu: in the world.

02:57:14 asciilifeform: i may even have been to that circus.

02:57:16 mircea_popescu: which is, yes, a kind of circus.

02:57:34 mircea_popescu: see, in your own imagination, which is boundless or close enough, you could.

02:57:48 mircea_popescu: but you're not free, being alive, and in that bound system you don't actually get enough elbow room to really find out.

02:58:02 asciilifeform: sure as hell.

02:58:50 asciilifeform: not sure what, if anything, i might be surprised by (on this subject) if my bubble were larger.

02:59:09 mircea_popescu: most of the things one identifies as intelligence in the field is actually artfulness.

03:01:46 asciilifeform: the easiest way to distinguish 'intelligent' and 'well-trained' is to invent something (sufficiently synthetic - as in, requiring grasp of multiple disparate and reasonably deep scientific fields) to apprehend, and then see how much explanation creature requires to grasp it.

03:02:16 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/NMamatas/status/540320550883586048

03:02:18 assbot: How dare the Eric Garner protestors dare try to disrupt a sacred ritual commemorating the birth a man who was murdered by the state.

03:02:42 asciilifeform: if this is a 'muscle' that can be 'well trained' - this is not a 'margarine', but a 'real butter'. idempotent.

03:02:51 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform> the easiest way to distinguish 'intelligent' and 'well-trained' is to invent something (sufficiently synthetic - as in, requiring grasp of multiple disparate and reasonably deep scientific fields) to apprehend, and then see how much explanation creature requires to grasp it. << bulb battery wire?

03:03:14 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: nope. trainable, because kindergarten homework.

03:03:20 mircea_popescu: so your idea of intelligence is... culture ?

03:03:21 asciilifeform: talking about actual novel concept.

03:03:24 mircea_popescu: well done lol. do i win yet ?

03:04:04 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Sure trainable, yet... some fail to rediscover after learning in kindergarden when skill is summoned for video

03:04:19 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: try this with one of your pets. tell her 'waveguide motor' and see if she is able to draw one that could, in principle, function. or at least say what such a thing would be.

03:04:36 asciilifeform: considering the fact that no such item has been built, or, afaik, discussed, other than here by yours truly.

03:04:42 asciilifeform: and in none too great detail.

03:04:52 mircea_popescu: kind bad example cause didn't we discuss this here earlier ?

03:05:25 asciilifeform: well yes. you may have to devise a similarly peculiar example, if your friends read #b-a.

03:05:50 asciilifeform: (pets?)

03:05:57 *: undata has learned that asciilifeforms reproduce by dividing

03:06:23 asciilifeform: they 'reproduce' by popping out of the zero point vacuum for a little while.

03:06:35 BingoBoingo: Starting from a drawing of an catecholamine, draw a prototype for a drug that could antigonize the receptor for some sort of catecholamine neurotransmitter.

03:06:45 asciilifeform: trainable.

03:06:57 asciilifeform: i worked with a whole mess of folks who could solve this one, for some value of 'solved'

03:07:37 BingoBoingo: Enough varied "trainable" questions though might approximate a test. Approximation probably necessary because jungle conditions.

03:07:48 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo how many women do you know that could do this ? and, importantly, out of these how many are not actually in special-school-for-it ?

03:08:13 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo no but look, you're already conceding defeat. why are you building your castle out of my rocks ?

03:08:20 mircea_popescu: if you gotta use trainable tests you lost.

03:08:47 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-12-2014#942350 << in case you missed that thread.

03:08:47 assbot: Logged on 02-12-2014 15:10:06; asciilifeform: this is a subject that i have a little personal connection with. at one point, i spent almost two years of spare time working on what turned out to be 'fried ice'

03:09:21 BingoBoingo: 4-5 prolly. But yeah. May have to concede this point

03:09:43 mircea_popescu: kinda lulzy when you visit a blog with one of those blinky geomaps, and the only blinky spot is in argentina.

03:11:03 asciilifeform: and, importantly, out of these how many are not actually in special-school-for-it << ding ding ding - winner

03:11:29 mircea_popescu: well so if all your intelligence is in fact trained, then what are ye bitching about.

03:12:20 asciilifeform: depends what means 'trained'

03:12:46 asciilifeform: if 'trained' is what one can do with a parrot - then, no, intelligence is something quite else

03:13:06 mircea_popescu: but i did say that's not what's meant.

03:13:19 asciilifeform: if trained as in what a strong man in a circus does to get strong - then, yes, trained (but note, not every man can become a circus lifter)

03:13:41 mircea_popescu: trained is what happened to scheherazade.

03:14:01 mircea_popescu: no, but every man can either become a circus lifter or die trying.

03:14:14 asciilifeform: incidentally, the word 'trained' - i found - means something quite else to english speakers than for folks from the sov blok

03:14:37 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> if trained as in what a strong man in a circus does to get strong - then, yes, trained (but note, not every man can become a circus lifter) << Not every circus need be honest.

03:14:51 asciilifeform: in the latter, a тренер is the fellow who helps an athlete get.. more athletic. in english world, 'training' is done to dogs and cubicle dwellers

03:15:27 decimation: asciilifeform: what I find amusing is the common practice is us business to use the word 'training' when they mean 'education'

03:15:36 asciilifeform: that type of training is referred to as 'дрессировка'

03:15:39 mircea_popescu: i think this pejorative usage is novel, and not really all that standard yet.

03:15:53 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: see, we always had separate words for these.

03:15:58 mircea_popescu: hence well trained pilots, and training ai and so on

03:16:14 asciilifeform: pilot will readily concede that much of what he knows is trained like a dog is trained

03:16:16 mircea_popescu: dressage has the unfortunate implication of dress-up in english

03:16:18 asciilifeform: likewise a good, e.g., sniper

03:16:21 asciilifeform: muscle memory.

03:16:22 mircea_popescu: because well, they don't get wtf french is.

03:16:54 mircea_popescu: much of what YOU know is learned like what a dog learns. specifically, where the fuck the control key is and how to make pretty letters on the screen.

03:17:00 asciilifeform: damn straight!

03:17:00 mircea_popescu: just, much and important don't map.

03:17:06 asciilifeform: cerebellum has to know

03:17:13 asciilifeform: and there's exactly one way to train it

03:17:22 asciilifeform: hence why ballerinas are trained precisely like circus seals

03:17:41 mircea_popescu: tell you what.

03:17:56 mircea_popescu: to the ignorant, there's little difference between circus seal being trained and you sitting in room flipping page after page.

03:18:10 mircea_popescu: same thing, for the exact reason you don't see much reading on tv.

03:18:14 asciilifeform: lol

03:18:15 mircea_popescu: the important parts aren't visible.

03:18:54 mircea_popescu: which is kind-of why people readily imagine training a woman to think with whip in hand and training a woman to dance whip in hand are the same thing.

03:18:56 mircea_popescu: they are not.

03:19:00 mircea_popescu: they may look similar, sure.

03:20:03 mircea_popescu: the difference is that the first's entirely negative (don't do this. don't do that. don't do the other. do something) while the latter's entirely positive. (do like this and like this and so on)

03:20:32 mircea_popescu: as a result, there's nothing fucking scarier than the former known to man.

03:20:38 asciilifeform: training to think consists of pure 'don't do's? news to me.

03:21:06 mircea_popescu: what else ? first you gotta teach her to rule over her emotions, then gotta teach her the modes of logical failure of teh brain, on it goes.

03:21:31 asciilifeform: what of the folks who are their own seal -and- circus trainer?

03:21:33 mircea_popescu: what the fuck do you think intelligence is other than the ~knowledge~ of what is noise in the psychocrosstalk ?

03:21:44 mircea_popescu: nothing of them. they may develop myopia in time.

03:21:47 asciilifeform: teach self to control emotion. and to grasp, e.g., group theor

03:21:48 asciilifeform: y

03:22:16 mircea_popescu: one can train to build muscle by himself. one can also train to comprehend the torah by oneself.

03:22:29 mircea_popescu: nevertheless, experience shows pairs work better, because errors average out rather than compound.

03:22:37 mircea_popescu: same reason braided rope is stronger than straight rope.

03:23:49 mircea_popescu: anyway, thus understood, you will find that a woman trained to be intelligent, irrespective of iq, is quite to your liking, whereas one untrained, equally irrespective of measured iq, is quite unpalatable.

03:23:54 mircea_popescu: so... whole story really.

03:24:27 mircea_popescu: da fuck you care whether she can do heisenberg matrix calc in her head or not, really.

03:25:55 asciilifeform: calculate xxxx ? no. grasp maximally astonishing 'left field' concept without much preparation ? yes.

03:26:09 asciilifeform: and when you practice this, yes, gets stronger. this is training intelligence - sure.

03:26:36 mircea_popescu: so then.

03:27:00 asciilifeform: did establish that we're gnawing on the leather straps of english, i think.

03:27:20 mircea_popescu: guess so.

03:31:00 asciilifeform: one untrained, equally irrespective of measured iq, is quite unpalatable << perhaps here speaking of taming, rather than training ?

03:32:08 mircea_popescu: i dunno.

03:32:31 asciilifeform: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/12/minimum-viable-sociopathy.html << mega-lol

03:32:32 assbot: ClubOrlov: Minimum Viable Sociopathy ... ( http://bit.ly/1tGX1cd )

03:36:37 mircea_popescu: "I seem to be doing a lot of hyperproductive things lately: explaining to people how to kill the foul beast of Empire, revolutionizing the way English literacy is taught to both native English speakers and the rest"

03:36:40 mircea_popescu: mkay, i'll pass.

03:37:18 *: asciilifeform thinks mr. o meant 'hyperactive'

03:37:57 mircea_popescu: dude srsly, intelligent people want to go a direction ?

03:38:14 mircea_popescu: i guess we progressed past the classical philosophy of either rome or the east. a well.

03:38:24 *: asciilifeform struggles to make sense of the thing

03:38:31 *: mircea_popescu perseveres in his ahistoricity.

03:38:44 mircea_popescu: honestly, i dun see how it's even a kilo-lol.

03:38:47 asciilifeform: 'What this means in practice, for me at least, is that as soon as it starts looking like I am heading in the direction of acquiring a specific job title or job description, or getting involved in something that might require registration, certification or licensing, then I need to backtrack or head in a different direction for a bit, until everybody loses interest. In doing so I sometimes forgo some opportunities for an increa

03:38:47 asciilifeform: sed income, but that is the price of freedom.'

03:38:59 asciilifeform: ^ mr. o is 'having problems' ?

03:39:00 mircea_popescu: and speaking of which, given that intelligence is to be measured in tsyans,

03:39:06 mircea_popescu: what can be said of the average policeman ?

03:39:38 asciilifeform: (as they say in britain) 'a whole policeman!'

03:39:46 mircea_popescu: lol

03:40:27 mircea_popescu: for our esl (english as a single language) friends : мили́ция = mili-tsya

03:50:52 []bot: Bet created: "BTC price at or over $777 before Sept 21st 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1079/

03:51:17 mircea_popescu: why not august 7th lol

03:53:23 mircea_popescu: http://sov.ro/ << romanian pseudo-tycoon (the sort of derps that live off govt spending in cvasi-socialist states), meanwhile convicted and eventually released from jail, started his own blog.

03:53:25 assbot: Sorin Ovidiu Vîntu – Blogul Oficial al lui Sorin Ovidiu Vîntu ... ( http://bit.ly/1tH3T9s )

03:53:27 mircea_popescu: kinda lulzy.

03:53:43 mircea_popescu: say a picolulz' worth.

04:13:33 gernika: mircea_popescu are you referring to logical fallacies by 'modes of logical failure'? Also, by learning to control your emtions, I assume you don't mean learning to meditate.

04:14:14 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> ^ mr. o is 'having problems' ? << maybe he got made, and so now teh fsb is no longer interested in what was a marginal asset anyway ?

04:14:55 BingoBoingo: OMG #b-a impoverished someone.

04:14:56 mircea_popescu: gernika not just, but sure. also, i don't care about form. if meditation works all the better.

04:15:02 mircea_popescu: if it doesn't work, all the redder.

04:15:22 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo tis happened afore.

04:15:35 BingoBoingo: I guess it has.

04:17:26 gernika: mircea_popescu ah so also cognitive biases.

04:20:18 BingoBoingo: !up frankenmint

04:32:47 asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/a/llwZ2

04:32:48 assbot: Dreary Idiocy - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1zT02cW )

04:33:37 mircea_popescu: lol is it yours ?

04:33:41 asciilifeform: aha.

04:33:51 mircea_popescu: yeah listen, why is this not a post on loper-os ?

04:33:58 asciilifeform: because why.

04:33:59 mircea_popescu: i mean, you just gave imgur some money. why ?

04:33:59 asciilifeform: it's garbage.

04:34:09 mircea_popescu: uh.

04:34:27 decimation: asciilifeform: is it fcc class b licensed_

04:34:31 mircea_popescu: i'd rather read it on your platform than on some bezzlatron platform. is that so bad ?

04:34:50 asciilifeform: lol. i suppose my site can't get any more off topic than already is.

04:34:57 mircea_popescu: right ?

04:35:15 mircea_popescu: off-topic is an idiocy anyway. you're writing it, you're the topic, how the fuck could it be "off-topic"

04:35:23 mircea_popescu: fuck em. they don't get to say what the topic is.

04:35:24 BingoBoingo: Isn't off topic what's been sustaining it these last few years, and even off topic still makes a case for loper

04:35:33 mircea_popescu: they'd love to, of course, for the obvious reason. unsheathe that.

04:35:35 decimation: or is it class A(industrial?)

04:36:25 asciilifeform: decimation: i can't possibly guess

04:36:35 decimation: no manual?

04:37:17 asciilifeform: manual says 'class a'

04:37:35 mircea_popescu: it does kinda look like a sprinkler...

04:38:05 asciilifeform: one of these days i buy something that doesn't have to be vivisected to make it go.

04:39:15 mircea_popescu: a dog ?

04:39:24 asciilifeform: l0l

04:40:06 *: asciilifeform beginning to think that networking hardware that behaves sanely out of the box was banned, and no one told him

04:40:18 decimation: yeah there's no way it could pass class B without a shield or metal case

04:40:34 asciilifeform: metal case on wireless access gizmo? lol

04:40:39 *: BingoBoingo imagines if asciilifeform became diabetic he'd keep his own pig for the insulin.

04:40:40 decimation: sure,

04:40:51 decimation: only need to have antenna outside, and maybe only partially that

04:41:17 asciilifeform: funnily, i have a circa-1998 wireless router, that has precisely this form

04:41:26 *: BingoBoingo would probably keep his own insulin pig as well, can't judge

04:41:39 asciilifeform: (not in service because laughably small flash disk, not linuxifiable)

04:41:40 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but you can't run it because bus speed right ?

04:41:42 decimation: asciilifeform: the FCC cracks down on routers with an easily accessible antenna socket

04:41:56 mircea_popescu: decimation what's that ?

04:41:58 decimation: for fear that 'citizens' might make use of them in a way they see fit

04:42:01 asciilifeform: decimation: most of the consumer trashware have external antennae sockets, wtf

04:42:10 BingoBoingo: <decimation> asciilifeform: the FCC cracks down on routers with an easily accessible antenna socket << What, like my laptop wifi card has??

04:42:32 decimation: yes, but the fig leaf that covers this is that they are typically 'reverse threaded' from the standard socket

04:42:35 asciilifeform: even my local isp ships router with two screw-socket antennae

04:42:47 BingoBoingo: the internal mini-pci-e deal with the adorable micro-coax or whatever they call it

04:42:51 decimation: everyone can tell themselves that they couldn't possibly buy a reverse-thread sma connector

04:42:58 mircea_popescu: i unscrewed so many antennae off wired-only "wireless-capable" routers...

04:43:00 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you'll notice these in the photo

04:43:25 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Still only solves the antenna rather than sanity problem

04:43:35 mircea_popescu: decimation alternatively, you could hit it once with a hammer and make contacts directly eh

04:43:55 decimation: http://www.rfcoaxconnectors.com/Technical_wifi-interface.htm << "In addition to specialized interfaces which are relatively new to the coaxial market, such as DMX, MC Card, MHF, there are variations on standard RF connectors styles which satisfy FCC Part 15 and 802.11 requirements. The most popular method used to achieve compliance has been to create reverse polarity, or gender, versions of BNC, MCX, MMCX, N, SMA, SMB, SSMB and TNC

04:43:56 assbot: WiFi Interface Identifier ... ( http://bit.ly/1zT1T1p )

04:43:56 decimation: connectors. You will also find reverse, or left-handed thread versions of N, SMA and TNC connectors."

04:44:29 decimation: the FCC demands that you reverse thread the connector so you couldn't plug your 1 watt router into a 30 dB amplifier

04:44:31 asciilifeform: i mean, back to the story, all i had to do is reach across desk and grab a ttl serial octopus. but what are folks supposed to do who don't have one?

04:45:00 mircea_popescu: derp

04:45:01 decimation: asciilifeform: was there actually a serial console present or was it a bootloader?

04:45:06 asciilifeform: decimation: 'ebay' bursting with chinese amps

04:45:06 mircea_popescu: this is like the dumbest thing i ever heard lol.

04:45:11 decimation: asciilifeform: they throw in trash and burn more money

04:45:18 mircea_popescu: srsly, you can't plug it in because it's reverse threaded ?!

04:45:27 decimation: mircea_popescu: of course, one can buy such connectors

04:45:29 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: he did say 'fig leaf'

04:45:37 decimation: but it 'satisfies' usg requirements to make it 'difficult'

04:45:39 mircea_popescu: so he did.

04:45:58 decimation: it would be nearly unbelievable if usg weren't involved

04:46:04 mircea_popescu: lol

04:46:16 decimation: there are many such capitulations to reality involved with usg 'regulation'

04:46:20 mircea_popescu: maybe this principle could be extended.

04:46:46 asciilifeform: ahahaha and the ethernet on this thing flickers in and out.

04:46:47 mircea_popescu: for instance : through a surgical intervention mandatory in schools for girls aged 12, they could reverse the asshole and vulvar opening.

04:46:50 asciilifeform: such quality! amazing company!

04:46:50 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

04:46:58 mircea_popescu: abstinence-only sex ed WIN!

04:47:24 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there was, iirc, a record of this very procedure being performed on a woman in (?) mexico

04:47:41 decimation: well, I'm certain that some organ of usg would claim victory under such conditions

04:47:42 mircea_popescu: what could possibily.

04:48:14 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: was cancerous/amputated colon, if i recall, and this novel rerouting was tried.

04:48:30 mircea_popescu: well... colonostomy bags aren't any fun.

04:48:32 *: asciilifeform does not remember source of this tale, don't ask

04:50:14 decimation: here's the exact usg 'regulation' http://www.rfcafe.com/references/electrical/FCC/Part-15/fcc-part-15-radio-frequency-devices-15p203.htm << "An intentional radiator shall be designed to ensure that no antenna other than that furnished by the responsible party shall be used with the device. The use of a permanently attached antenna or of an antenna

04:50:16 assbot: FCC Part 15 Radio Frequency Devices - RF Cafe ... ( http://bit.ly/1zT2GQ1 )

04:50:17 decimation: that uses a unique coupling to the intentional radiator shall be considered sufficient to comply with the provisions of this section."

04:50:47 decimation: this is literally the bread-and-butter of the usg regime

04:50:49 mircea_popescu: so silly.

04:51:02 mircea_popescu: basically, they made a ruling for a purpose. then industry lobbied on the basis of cost.

04:51:07 mircea_popescu: then they... mediated it.

04:51:10 joecool: hey mp, can you make assbot only use notices instead of msg? I know the ddos is a pain in the ass but if someone is unlikely to respond to notice, they are unlikely to respond to privmsg as well

04:51:19 mircea_popescu: average gender of resulting regulation ? "martian".

04:51:39 mircea_popescu: joecool i dun has anything to do with it, but kakobrekla might be able to help.

04:51:51 asciilifeform: collectors of small arms in usa have similarly entertaining stories about gotchas, thick tomes of peculiar rules, loopholes.

04:51:54 decimation: of course there is a small cottage industry selling reversed parts

04:52:21 joecool: mircea_popescu: sry, thought you maintained assbot... i'll bug kakobrekla when he's around

04:52:32 mircea_popescu: are the pms annoying ?

04:52:36 joecool: yes

04:53:17 asciilifeform: satan preserve us, i can hear that thing's cpu load through inductor whine from across a table.

04:53:18 BingoBoingo: Would be much better if included random kako jokes. kako jokes are the best

04:53:39 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform add shields :D

04:53:55 decimation: asciilifeform: how did get from 'working ttl serial port' to running bootrom?

04:54:16 asciilifeform: decimation: it was booting all along, but not usefully (no way to speak to it)

04:54:25 decimation: ah

04:54:44 decimation: asciilifeform: maybe you can do aes on it and try to use a microphone to do side-channel

04:54:49 decimation: that would be worthy of loper

04:55:00 asciilifeform: that would be worthy of first year undergrad.

04:55:02 asciilifeform: because - old news.

04:55:04 decimation: hehe

04:55:08 asciilifeform: it's - homework.

04:55:16 mircea_popescu: stop giving stan stuff to do.

04:55:24 *: asciilifeform is behind on his 'homework' as it is!

04:55:36 joecool: mircea_popescu: it doesn't matter too much though, i like this channel

04:56:16 BingoBoingo: !up diatonic

04:56:16 decimation: !up diatonic

04:56:49 mircea_popescu: !up diatonic

04:56:56 mircea_popescu: what, is it like a festival ?

04:57:04 decimation: !up Luke-Jr

04:57:09 BingoBoingo: !up Yours

04:57:33 decimation: !up xinxiwang

04:57:58 joecool: luke should talk more, that's always entertaining

04:58:02 xinxiwang: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7xP5EFThh0

04:58:03 assbot: South Park How Chinese People view to the Japanese - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1zT3Mv3 )

04:58:13 joecool: !up diatonic

04:58:14 decimation: xinxiwang: do you often encounter gerkas on patrol in sg?

04:58:31 xinxiwang: i don’t have a car here.

04:58:46 decimation: well, on the street?

04:59:34 xinxiwang: gerkas on patrol?

04:59:52 xinxiwang: what’s that?

05:00:08 decimation: the Nepalese police?

05:00:20 kakobrekla: yes it has to be annoying so people see it. now im off.

05:00:49 xinxiwang: Nepalese? SG is in southeast asia.

05:00:49 decimation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gurkha_Contingent

05:00:51 assbot: Gurkha Contingent - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1zT4cll )

05:01:19 decimation: I guess I take it by your questions that the answer is 'no'

05:01:22 BingoBoingo: !t n s.appl

05:01:22 assbot: I prepared your canoe with cedar boughs.

05:01:31 xinxiwang: uha, I even don’t know this.

05:01:34 xinxiwang: interesting

05:01:49 decimation: yeah they were brought in to break up the racial riots in the 60's

05:02:09 decimation: because both sides thought that the gurkhas were 1.) hardcore and 2.) neutral

05:02:11 xinxiwang: that’s funny

05:02:29 xinxiwang: they should bring people from china to do that.

05:02:43 xinxiwang: for ethnic homogeneity

05:03:58 decimation: aren't chinese a big part of the sg population now?

05:04:36 xinxiwang: 80% are chinese.

05:05:27 decimation: http://sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/303042 << "It has been said that during the Falklands War, 400 miles east of Terra Del Fuego, or Cape Horn, South America in the Atlantic, after the Gurkhas landed, it was sufficient for the RAF to drop leaflets over enemy Argentine positions, merely saying that the Gurkhas have landed and are sharpening their Kukris, for the conscript Argentine army to flee for their lives."

05:05:28 assbot: How much do we know about Gurkha police in Singapore? - SgForums.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1zT5f4v )

05:06:00 mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDHDM7PfyYs

05:06:00 assbot: Facebook Law for Idiots - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1zT5kW0 )

05:06:08 mircea_popescu: hai preet & friends.

05:08:18 xinxiwang: given that the majority are chinese people. I don’t think people from other races can be neutral here.

05:08:36 mircea_popescu: how do you mean ?

05:08:58 decimation: well, certainly turkic highland folk from the west are not to be trusted...

05:09:16 xinxiwang: they are still commanded by local people

05:09:55 BingoBoingo: Guurkahs are pretty much the default neutral people, because... Nepal is poor and isolated.

05:10:15 mircea_popescu: decimation yeah, the same thing;s been said in spanish about the english lol

05:12:04 decimation: xinxiwang: do people in sg generally like the way the lee family have been running things?

05:13:24 xinxiwang: many don’t like. but since the family is doing quite well. people still accep that.

05:13:51 xinxiwang: people are appealing for democracy :-)

05:13:51 decimation: surely the 'mandate of heaven' still smiles upon singapore?

05:14:43 mircea_popescu: singapore democracy's gonna be a fun one to watch.

05:14:47 decimation: people in the us have democracy, it's not great. the people should be happy with the lee family

05:14:49 xinxiwang: i’ve no idea about that. maybe lky knows.

05:14:57 mircea_popescu: sorta like manhattan without brooklyn, let alone harlem or you know, ozarks.

05:15:32 decimation: malaysia is kinda like their ozarks I guess

05:15:34 xinxiwang: yeah, Thai tried western style of democracy but failed.

05:16:04 xinxiwang: Sg may fail to incorporate that kind of democracy as well.

05:16:49 decimation: the chinese have lived under strong men, emperors and bureaucrats for thousands of years. it would be better to go with a winning formula

05:17:22 mircea_popescu: better != easier.

05:17:26 mircea_popescu: stop impeding progress.

05:18:09 xinxiwang: who knows. if it’s the trend, nobody can stop it.

05:18:14 decimation: is your point that it is easy to hand out one mili-slice of power to each sg citizen and leave it to them to ruin the place than to actually run it?

05:18:53 mircea_popescu: no, my point is that it's easier to give the police guns and then bitch when they shoot the wrong people than you know, hold a gun and pick and choose. and similarly...

05:19:06 mircea_popescu: why not have a democratic political class to hate and despise ?

05:19:24 mircea_popescu: buncha people you vote for just so you can expect things not of this world.

05:19:58 decimation: yeah, I agree that's the effect. furthermore, those in real power use the process as cover for their own agendas

05:20:15 mircea_popescu: really ? lizzard hitler ?

05:20:20 decimation: nah

05:20:25 mircea_popescu: "those in power" dun actually exist.

05:20:25 decimation: they are not coordinated like that

05:20:47 decimation: more like the FCC makes rules, and the EPA makes rules, etc

05:20:56 mircea_popescu: you're roughly speaking of the "bubbles in power" in a bottle of beer.

05:21:07 mircea_popescu: you know, the ones that don't pop, for whose benefit the entire thing is made.

05:21:10 mircea_popescu: i never saw one.

05:21:26 decimation: heh

05:21:36 mircea_popescu: who ?

05:21:39 decimation: but each one has a tyrannical journey to the top

05:21:39 mircea_popescu: name a name.

05:21:59 mircea_popescu: who is the "people in power" in one of these systems ? who, in hollywood ? who, in washington ?

05:22:05 decimation: well, look at general alexander, for instance

05:22:07 mircea_popescu: ken rove ? that janet derp ? rice ? who ?

05:22:11 mircea_popescu: okay.

05:22:11 decimation: sure

05:22:19 decimation: each of them push their own little agendas

05:22:26 mircea_popescu: like all the other bubbles.

05:22:30 decimation: which generally consist of 'give us more money and more fiefdom'

05:22:32 mircea_popescu: not in power.

05:22:52 decimation: I guess it's power in the restricted sense that they are only allowed to act in one direction

05:23:08 mircea_popescu: there's one trend that unites all us presidents that i've ever seen. that trend is, that going in they look above average health for their age,

05:23:18 decimation: is a child powerful if she pulls a lever to demolish a building?

05:23:19 mircea_popescu: and going out they look in shockingly poor health for their age.

05:23:28 mircea_popescu: the cause, outside of drugs, is that they don't get any sleep.

05:23:36 mircea_popescu: what "in power" is this where you can't fucking sleep ?

05:23:43 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform has apoint with the sleep.

05:23:53 decimation: that is a good point

05:23:53 asciilifeform: sleep is the measure.

05:24:11 decimation: my impression is that they constantly awoken so they can be 'in the loop' on whatever derpish retardation is going on in the world

05:24:20 asciilifeform: because muppetry.

05:24:25 *: punkman slept 13 hours, refreshing

05:24:26 asciilifeform: pete thiel - sleeps.

05:24:35 decimation: the general response to which being 'do nothing' or 'let the underlings handle it'

05:24:41 *: asciilifeform didn't watch him sleep, but believes

05:24:58 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually the examplke i was waiting for was the iranian, what's his name

05:25:01 mircea_popescu: omar ksomething

05:25:15 mircea_popescu: fucking ironic, i thought.

05:25:16 asciilifeform: kyahamm ?

05:25:22 asciilifeform: khayamm ?

05:25:22 mircea_popescu: nono, the press derp.

05:25:41 decimation: louis xvi was 'in power' in the same way I guess

05:26:00 mircea_popescu: guy slept. on tits.

05:26:47 mircea_popescu: ;;google Pierre Morad Omidyar

05:26:48 gribble: Pierre Omidyar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Omidyar; Pierre Omidyar - Biography - Philanthropist - Biography.com: http://www.biography.com/people/pierre-omidyar-9542205; Pierre Omidyar: The reclusive eBay founder will battle with The ...: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/profiles/pierre-omidyarthe-reclusive-ebay-founder- (1 more message)

05:27:47 asciilifeform: https://dev.openwrt.org/ticket/6754 << what should i buy after i set fire to this ?

05:27:49 assbot: #6754 (Can crash wan port (eth1) with ping flood (Atheros AG71xx)) – OpenWrt ... ( http://bit.ly/1zT9Y6k )

05:28:01 asciilifeform: what a disgrace.

05:28:14 mircea_popescu: haha

05:28:35 asciilifeform: 100 usd does not buy a functioning - or wrangleable - device. does 1000? 10,000 ?

05:28:39 asciilifeform: i bet - no.

05:28:42 mircea_popescu: nah. you're paying too much.

05:28:48 mircea_popescu: 25-30 bux. try that.

05:29:00 asciilifeform: 25 << have an urn full of these

05:29:03 asciilifeform: same issues

05:29:33 mircea_popescu: "Resolution set to fixed"

05:29:40 mircea_popescu: 4 years ago yo :D

05:29:42 asciilifeform: lol

05:29:48 asciilifeform: haha fixed, 'fixed'

05:30:14 asciilifeform: lend one of these fine gentlemen your car, and he'll glue the petrol gauge to 'full'

05:30:24 asciilifeform: easier than filling tank. cheaper. satisfying.

05:31:11 decimation: no asciilifeform, the real thing is you make a light that says 'pay money to dealer'

05:40:07 asciilifeform: https://www.google.com/search?q=%22(ag71xx):+transmit+queue+0+timed+out%22

05:40:09 assbot: "(ag71xx): transmit queue 0 timed out" - Google zoeken ... ( http://bit.ly/1I2sjE5 )

05:40:17 asciilifeform: ^ 1,120 results.

05:40:43 asciilifeform: i don't even know what is more enraging - the sc4mz0r manufacturer, or all the shitmonkeys who claim to have 'fixed'

05:40:50 decimation: asciilifeform: the popular thing to worry about these days in routers is 'buffer bloat'

05:42:21 asciilifeform: decimation: i don't run an isp, or a dc, don't care one whit for optimizations

05:42:32 asciilifeform: but want gizmo that fucking works as printed on the box

05:42:52 asciilifeform: 24/7/365

05:43:05 asciilifeform: and, if dies, can go in the urn, replaced with same, in the worst case

05:44:54 asciilifeform: i don't even grasp why a wireless to ethernet bridge needs to be a computer, with stateful memory and an os

05:47:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 9105 @ 0.0012 = 10.926 BTC [+] {2}

05:48:32 decimation: asciilifeform: the wifi protocol is needless complex is why

05:50:52 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Things exist this way because danielpbarron is right and there is a vengeful old testament god. Jesus and mercy were a lie!

05:51:20 decimation: Jesus isn't a lie!

05:54:03 decimation: !up taub

05:54:16 mircea_popescu: <decimation> asciilifeform: the wifi protocol is needless complex is why <<<

05:54:24 mircea_popescu: wanna talk about turds, talk about that.

05:54:32 *: asciilifeform knew.

05:54:38 mircea_popescu: just the successive "encryption solutions" they implemented is enough for humour in hell.

05:55:38 decimation: the end-to-end principle would suggest a minimal amount of protocol overhead is needed - let the application layer figure things out

05:56:10 mircea_popescu: and what, charge 20 bux for a thing that works ?

05:56:18 decimation: heh

05:56:21 mircea_popescu: why not charge 100 for a thing that doesn't work, so suckerlifeform can buy 20 ?

05:56:30 asciilifeform: 200

05:56:38 asciilifeform: plus the kerosene.

05:56:45 mircea_popescu: ;;calc (100 * 200) / 20

05:56:45 gribble: 1000

05:56:51 mircea_popescu: JOBS CREATED

05:57:00 mircea_popescu: (in china. which then we bitch at for polution)

05:57:23 mircea_popescu: anyway. sleepytime. HEAR ME ROAR!

06:11:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34500 @ 0.00036989 = 12.7612 BTC [-]

06:11:07 decimation: ;;ticker

06:11:08 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 376.91, Best ask: 378.66, Bid-ask spread: 1.75000, Last trade: 377.3, 24 hour volume: 8465.10747744, 24 hour low: 374.01, 24 hour high: 383.0, 24 hour vwap: 378.493754072

06:14:25 BingoBoingo: Such flat, BTC made it to the moon, but got stuck in the sea of tranquility

06:18:45 decimation: eh, flat makes those famed 'afraid of volatility' types happy

06:19:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42529 @ 0.00036892 = 15.6898 BTC [-]

06:19:45 punkman: !t m s.mpoe

06:19:45 assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00034204 / 0.00036087 / 0.00038216 (757862 shares, 273.50 BTC), 7D: 0.00030027 / 0.00035295 / 0.00041472 (10817404 shares, 3,818.01 BTC), 30D: 0.00030027 / 0.00044918 / 0.00086038 (29748677 shares, 13,362.75 BTC)

06:37:53 BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats

06:37:56 gribble: Current Blocks: 332806 | Current Difficulty: 4.000747027127126E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 334655 | Next Difficulty In: 1849 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 21 hours, 39 minutes, and 14 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35888211462.0 | Estimated Percent Change: -10.29622

06:38:39 BingoBoingo: So, what's the hypothesis. Hardware breaking and mining farms being more selective about the hardware they keep on?

06:39:13 punkman: maybe not enough money to pay electricity for a few operations

06:40:27 BingoBoingo: Also thinking maybe a ploy by manufacterers with farms to get consumers to buy this spendy time of the year at any cost?

06:40:50 punkman: I liked the "personal lottery machine" angle

06:40:59 BingoBoingo: Yeah

06:41:58 BingoBoingo: I have to admit I've been eyeing the pretty Bitcrane machine as a spaceheater++

06:42:16 punkman: payoff not that great if you win the solo mine lottery

06:42:37 BingoBoingo: Eh, I'll point it at some pool or p2pool

06:43:33 BingoBoingo: If Mizzou beats Bamma Saturday and I have much profit.

06:44:10 BingoBoingo: Prolly skip the miner though and keep building the escape fund

06:45:31 punkman: you don't want to be carrying too much stuff

06:48:28 BingoBoingo: Yeah

06:48:37 punkman: http://www.cascadedesigns.com/therm-a-rest/cots/luxurylite-ultralite-cot/product

06:48:40 assbot: Lightest Backpacking Cot – LuxuryLite® UltraLite Cot&#0153; by Therm-a-Rest® ... ( http://bit.ly/1vOInE5 )

06:48:52 punkman: might need on of those if going the land route

06:52:19 BingoBoingo: What's wrong with the mud? Also maybe considering saving up for a boat.

06:52:58 BingoBoingo: Either in the sense of a literal ocean going craft or the metaphorical Ford Crown Victoria

06:54:19 punkman: actual boat is an acquired taste

06:54:40 BingoBoingo: Actual boat seems awfully interdictable.

07:01:00 punkman: maybe less so with the right flag

07:02:48 BingoBoingo: Hard to take "right flag" down the Mississippi leg of the trip.

07:03:09 mats_cd03: 01:14:25 <+BingoBoingo> Such flat, BTC made it to the moon, but got stuck in the sea of tranquility << makes me happy, tbh

07:03:24 mats_cd03: how am i gonna accumulate 1000btc if it goes up again?

07:03:33 BingoBoingo: mats_cd03: Sure. Nice place to build another launch pad.

07:04:02 mats_cd03: anyway, like mp says, something something usg catching a falling knife twice

07:06:47 mats_cd03: my more immediate concern is...wtf is happening to s.mpoe

07:07:51 BingoBoingo: That's a good question, but given the options market is hibernating in wait of better price signals some large share dumping seemed inevitable... prolly...

07:07:55 mats_cd03: i sold ma shares after it crashed and temporarily recovered to ~0.00075, then bought back at 0.0005 thinking it was the bottom ;_;

07:08:07 BingoBoingo: Either that or Obama's secretly had an MPOE account

07:10:26 BingoBoingo: Maybe someone who bought S.MPOE round 2 shares finally decided to part with them?

07:17:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1000 @ 0.0011999 = 1.1999 BTC [-]

07:20:13 mats_cd03: what was it at round 2?

07:27:22 BingoBoingo: mats_cd03: If I recall correctly its cheapest.

07:42:43 BingoBoingo: 2433 per share http://fraudsters.com/2013/the-best-investments-in-the-history-of-bitcoin/

07:42:44 assbot: The best investments in the history of Bitcoin pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1yovoKv )

07:43:49 BingoBoingo: MPOE first round was 9085 satoshis per share

07:56:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 999 @ 0.00119999 = 1.1988 BTC [+]

08:21:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1940 @ 0.0012 = 2.328 BTC [+]

09:05:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44854 @ 0.00037154 = 16.6651 BTC [+] {2}

09:20:44 *: fluffypony stretches

10:19:48 davout: fluffypony: nice comment on the "blockchain onion gets an ssl cert" derpage

10:28:59 fluffypony: davout: thanks

10:29:20 fluffypony: that fuckwit infosec "expert" that's helping them irritates me

10:33:09 fluffypony: the most annoying thing is that they should have expended effort in using eschalot to create a memorable address

10:33:14 fluffypony: rather than fucking around with SSL

10:33:34 fluffypony: blockchainbdgpzk.onion is not memorable

10:33:55 fluffypony: facebook, of all things, actually spent the time and energy in getting right

10:34:00 fluffypony: facebookcorewwwi.onion

10:34:07 fluffypony: easy to remember

10:34:39 fluffypony: I can't believe in 2014 we have GoDaddy leading the way in managed DNSSEC and Facebook leading the way in correct Tor hosting for clearnet sites

10:34:44 fluffypony: it's like a mindtrip

10:34:50 davout: heh

10:48:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33850 @ 0.00036838 = 12.4697 BTC [-] {2}

11:13:30 cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/12/mastercard-not-completely-comfortable-with-bitcoin/

11:13:31 assbot: MasterCard: Not Completely Comfortable With Bitcoin | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1ypm5K8 )

11:18:13 davout: cazalla: i don't even get why they feel the need to talk about bitcoin

11:22:08 cazalla: prolly an attempt to use what influence they have left

11:22:44 cazalla: reminds me a bit of iraqi info minister, no bitcoin in the city at all!

11:25:18 cazalla: fuckem anyway, i use visa

11:28:13 cazalla: what trickery is this? XN--B1A4AC.COM

11:36:57 davout: cazalla: "prolly an attempt to use what influence they have left" <<< what for? push bitcoin?

11:37:10 davout: also your domain name is a unicode domain

11:37:57 davout: http://♹.com/

11:38:24 cazalla: davout, no idea, perhaps to encourage gov to crack down on it, seems to be the case given their submission to aussie senate.. sorta like an ex gf that insists on fucking things up with your new gf

11:39:20 cazalla: davout, first time i've come across this punani code for domains

11:39:28 davout: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punycode

11:39:30 assbot: Punycode - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1ypshSp )

11:40:17 cazalla: anyway, that one is for btc.com, wonder how popular it is for phishing

11:40:39 davout: i should put my blockchain.io to use for lulz & phishing

11:56:47 cazalla: davout, "Black Friday figures for MasterCard were not yet available, but the company reported in October that it had processed $2.4 trillion in payments in the first nine months of 2014"

11:57:31 cazalla: 2.4 trillion yet concerned about bitcoin

12:08:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9250 @ 0.00036599 = 3.3854 BTC [-] {2}

12:24:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36714 @ 0.00037609 = 13.8078 BTC [+]

12:32:42 nubbins`: <+cazalla> 2.4 trillion yet concerned about bitcoin <<< natch

13:03:25 nubbins`: hi

13:03:36 nubbins`: c'est un copain

13:07:19 davout: wat

13:11:44 nubbins`: heh

13:52:46 mircea_popescu: burtreynoldsismyspiritguide1 ? mmmmmyeah

13:54:58 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo soo, chick findsa out that her "father" is infertile, gets fixated on it, tries to replace him, imagines this sort of pathology ius somehow universal or important for people generally.

13:55:02 mircea_popescu: why am i even reading this crap.

13:56:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46600 @ 0.00037112 = 17.2942 BTC [-] {3}

13:58:32 mircea_popescu: it never ends either. jesus.

13:59:02 mircea_popescu: teach all the idiots how to read and write - get fifty billion pages about how important idiots are, aka the internet.

13:59:04 mircea_popescu: could do without.

14:03:22 jurov: looks like we renamed "sovereignty" into "sovereignity"

14:03:57 mircea_popescu: i cnat spael.

14:05:00 mircea_popescu: decimation: eh, flat makes those famed 'afraid of volatility' types happy <<< yet for every 500 guys that went "o bitcoin i can not use it is too volatile" for 3 years going, you don't hear as many as .5 guys today "o, now i can use it"

14:05:13 mircea_popescu: instead it's "now it's not volatile so not interesting anymore, can't use".

14:06:00 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: So, what's the hypothesis. Hardware breaking and mining farms being more selective about the hardware they keep on? <<< mining moved away from the general public to "specialised experts". this always results in a drop of quality.

14:07:31 mircea_popescu: mats_cd03: my more immediate concern is...wtf is happening to s.mpoe << ya srsly.

14:08:58 mircea_popescu: fluffypony: that fuckwit infosec "expert" that's helping them irritates me <<< i don't recall an infosec expert of the webz that wasn't a sort of "assigned female at birth genderqueer individual".

14:09:58 mircea_popescu: fluffypony: I can't believe in 2014 we have GoDaddy leading the way in managed DNSSEC and Facebook leading the way in correct Tor hosting for clearnet sites <<< bwahaaha this IS a fucking point. and it goes on : microsoft leading the way for linux, on it goes.

14:10:04 fluffypony: yeah

14:10:21 mircea_popescu: davout: cazalla: i don't even get why they feel the need to talk about bitcoin << virgins also feel a need to talk about the cock.

14:10:25 mircea_popescu: it's psychosomatic.

14:10:30 fluffypony: Hearn tried to debate the point with me on Reddit

14:10:39 mircea_popescu: hearn still talks in public ?

14:10:56 fluffypony: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2o5ghz/blockchaininfo_becomes_the_second_website_after/cmkutcr?context=3

14:10:58 assbot: fluffyponyza comments on Blockchain.info becomes the second website (after Facebook) to have been issued an HTTPS certificate by DigiCert for their .onion address. ... ( http://bit.ly/1pXLZTI )

14:11:11 fluffypony: that's "infosec expert" -> me -> Hearnia -> me

14:11:44 mircea_popescu: aha

14:12:21 mircea_popescu: i liek nubbins` french.

14:12:28 nubbins`: ;D

14:14:07 mircea_popescu: arrange meeting for today at 3 with kinda shaky individual, have secretary confirm it today. wake up, check, confirmation comes in the form of "in the immortal words of dude, yes, 1500. he'll wait you."

14:14:30 mircea_popescu: day slightly thus improved, we proceed to the waiting car!

14:25:42 rithm: just make sure the miners have a ul sticker on them tho amirite

14:30:00 nubbins`: ^

14:30:10 nubbins`: sticker guarantees

14:32:24 thestringpuller: nubbins` speaks french?

14:37:27 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: i thought the immortal words of the dude were: the dude abides

14:37:34 thestringpuller: ;;google the dude abides

14:37:35 gribble: The Big Lebowski - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Big_Lebowski; The Big Lebowski (1998) - Quotes - IMDb: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118715/quotes; verbs - "The Dude abides" — what does "abide" mean in that context ...: http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/38213/the-dude-abides-what-does-abide-mean-in-that-context

15:28:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43500 @ 0.00036451 = 15.8562 BTC [-] {2}

16:27:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1090 @ 0.0012 = 1.308 BTC [+]

16:35:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4791 @ 0.00037105 = 1.7777 BTC [+]

16:50:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64000 @ 0.00035833 = 22.9331 BTC [-] {3}

17:29:10 punkman: http://techcrunch.com/2014/12/04/uber-confirms-new-1-2b-funding-round-looks-to-asia-for-expansion/

17:29:11 assbot: Uber Confirms New $1.2B Funding Round At $40B Valuation | TechCrunch ... ( http://bit.ly/1vlVK9Q )

17:29:27 punkman: infinite funbux

17:42:14 bagels7: i would just like to point out what a burden it would be to marry a crazy woman in today's politically correct world where the woman can do no wrong.

17:42:44 bagels7: Feminism is the new fascism and it needs to be addressed before men are entirely pussified from birth

17:44:25 bagels7: http://gyazo.com/9232319c36cd8ad0a1d4a6854a8792e8

17:44:26 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1vlWzj7 )

18:10:47 nubbins`: bagels7 ah get out

18:11:03 nubbins`: ya fuckin wizard

18:11:56 bagels7: get out of what

18:12:30 nubbins`: here

18:12:49 bagels7: i must preach to the 144 corners of the internet

18:13:04 nubbins`: preach it to your next can of frosting

18:13:06 bagels7: are you brittish are stupid

18:13:55 bagels7: since when is wizard an insult

18:14:12 nubbins`: !down bagels7

18:14:27 nubbins`: what's the use!

18:14:47 mats_cd03: move somewhere reasonable, then

18:15:43 mats_cd03: your part of the well isn't the only spot in town, you know

18:15:47 nubbins`: am i not allowed to down him becaause assbot hasn't refreshed the trust list?

18:16:36 bagels7: you have failed to give me a coherent response

18:16:47 mats_cd03: ;;gettrust bagels7 assbot

18:16:48 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user bagels7 to user assbot: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=bagels7&dest=assbot | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=assbot | Rated since: Fri Apr 11 02:04:55 2014

18:17:08 nubbins`: it's the other way

18:17:10 nubbins`: assbot bagels7

18:17:16 mats_cd03: da person to complain to.

18:17:35 nubbins`: kekekbrekla

18:17:39 mats_cd03: just look at the graph

18:17:50 nubbins`: no, that's the wrong graph

18:17:59 nubbins`: he could just rate assbot if that were the case.

18:18:03 nubbins`: ;;gettrust assbot bagels7

18:18:04 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask bagels7!bagels7@unaffiliated/bagels7. Trust relationship from user assbot to user bagels7: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=bagels7 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bagels7 | Rated since: Tue Nov 11 00:46:41 2014

18:18:04 mats_cd03: dpb <<

18:18:15 nubbins`: ^

18:21:03 adlai: bagels7: 144? you're off by a factor of 36. http://timecube.com/imageFUA.JPG

18:21:04 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1tTljPn )

18:21:54 bagels7: I always off by some factor

18:35:56 TomServo: http://www.mprnews.org/story/2014/12/04/transgender-athletes-policy-vote

18:35:57 assbot: High school league votes to let transgender athletes pick their teams | Minnesota Public Radio News ... ( http://bit.ly/1vRv1ac )

18:44:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 990 @ 0.001207 = 1.1949 BTC [+]

19:17:59 punkman: http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/12/04/world/asia/superbugs-kill-indias-babies-and-pose-an-overseas-threat.html

19:18:02 assbot: Log In ... ( http://bit.ly/1yryw8m )

19:29:01 punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3ZsloECMAAdj5B.png

19:29:03 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1yrBTfx )

19:36:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27772 @ 0.00037538 = 10.4251 BTC [+] {2}

19:41:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37350 @ 0.00036296 = 13.5566 BTC [-]

20:02:19 punkman: "In 50 years, US trust in government dropped from 77% (1964) to 24% (2014)" << is that because everyone was high back then?

20:05:03 kakobrekla: yet trust in god remains at what, 90?

20:06:24 punkman: ;;gettrust god

20:06:24 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user punkman to user god: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=punkman&dest=god | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=god | Rated since: never

20:07:38 ben_vulpes: uh

20:07:44 ben_vulpes: that's a great wot handle

20:07:48 ben_vulpes: GET IT

20:08:12 punkman: "google @ 40,000 searches per second, 144m/hour, 3.456b/day, 1.2t/year" << lower than I imagined

20:08:28 punkman: at least 20k per second must be bots

20:15:34 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Because not everyone can Tyrone. link came to you from lulzmines

20:25:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 100 @ 0.01027433 = 1.0274 BTC [-]

21:22:26 punkman: hah http://rt.com/usa/210895-usa-marijuana-smuggle-mexico/

21:22:27 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1tUgu8f )

21:25:45 undata: punkman: ours is way better than that rubbish they grow

21:26:17 punkman: yeah because mexicans ain't heard of indoor growing

21:29:49 mats_cd03: that's expensive

21:33:06 punkman: from undata's neighborhood https://twitter.com/mperham/status/539861729468248066/photo/1

21:33:09 assbot: Portland http://t.co/vd3jRdMxqL

21:34:14 undata: that's about right

21:35:25 undata: needs more rain though

21:36:51 BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2014/12/congress-man-proposes-bill-h-r-5777-full-text-attached/

21:36:52 assbot: Congress Man Proposes Bill (H.R. 5777 Full Text Attached) | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1CJYs2Q )

21:39:51 undata: BingoBoingo: that he's proposing something in the realm of sane is not surprising given that he's on the way out of congress :p

21:40:15 BingoBoingo: Well... on the outs...

21:41:42 undata: the guy might as well submit a bill to bring back the gold standard while he's at it

21:43:33 undata: I've been doing some reading on systemd; I had no idea just how many services it ate

21:43:46 undata: among them cron?!

21:44:14 BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2014/12/11-bidders-27-bids-in-latest-usms-bitcoin-auction/

21:44:14 assbot: 11 Bidders 27 Bids in Latest USMS Bitcoin Auction | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1CJZzj8 )

21:44:53 BingoBoingo: Yeah systemd eventually is supposed to eat the entire userland, so Pulse audio works better or something.

21:45:03 undata: haha

21:46:23 undata: I like the idea of declarative config, knowing dependencies and whatnot; upstart doesn't seem too onerous to me

21:46:34 BingoBoingo: Also it the honorific "Congress Man" was indeed intended over the title "Congressman"

21:46:43 BingoBoingo: Openrc might be fine too

21:46:52 undata: that's what I'm using locally

21:47:05 undata: I tried systemd and bizarre breakage occurred which I couldn't be bothered to debug

21:47:18 undata: it wouldn't mount /home for example

21:49:15 BingoBoingo: I dunno why if init is the problem the solution also replaces console kit and everything else

21:49:57 undata: and it kills the competition between for example various implementations of cron

21:50:06 undata: or network fiddlers or whatever

21:50:11 BingoBoingo: And don't boohoo about X "needing" root without sytemd, because http://www.xenocara.org/ has done that for some time

21:50:12 assbot: Xenocara ... ( http://bit.ly/1CK0QH6 )

21:51:08 BingoBoingo: !up Belxjander

21:52:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 35000 @ 0.00003895 = 1.3633 BTC [-] {7}

21:52:36 mircea_popescu: lol pulse audio still exists ?!

21:52:55 mircea_popescu: ndata> it wouldn't mount /home for example << prolly home didn't have the right pid.

21:54:41 BingoBoingo: Fuck you Slate http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/05/nyregion/james-watsons-nobel-medal-sells-for-record-4-million.html

21:54:44 assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1CK1q7M )

21:54:58 mircea_popescu: lol

21:55:13 mircea_popescu: of course it was going to break the record. all "art" is going through roof.

21:55:34 mircea_popescu: random romanian first timer sold some painting for ~1.5mn

21:56:05 undata: "The sale also became symbolic of a quest for redemption after he became what he called an “unperson” in the scientific community seven years ago; he had told the The Sunday Times of London Magazine in an interview that he was pessimistic about Africa because “all our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours, whereas all the testing says not really.”

21:56:22 undata: ^ made to apologize

21:56:26 undata: uh... lol?

21:56:54 undata: I dated a black virologist for a time; her prescription for Africa was 30 years of quarantine

21:56:54 *: BingoBoingo wonders about all of the angry postgrads with no money wishing they could afford Watson's LSD

21:57:26 undata: same chick threatened me with airborne ebola once; I didn't bother to find out whether she was serious

22:06:44 BingoBoingo: http://gawker.com/jenna-bush-admits-to-hanky-panky-on-the-white-house-r-1666727070 << Bush daughter

22:06:45 assbot: Jenna Bush Admits to "Hanky Panky" on the White House Roof ... ( http://bit.ly/1CK3zQT )

22:09:39 mircea_popescu: ;;rated thebroker

22:09:39 gribble: You rated user thebroker on Wed Oct 15 15:45:56 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: Broker..

22:10:14 mircea_popescu: ;;rate thebroker -1 aka digicoins.io. Inept and unreliable smalltimer.

22:10:15 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user thebroker has changed from 1 to -1.

22:11:44 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust moo-_-

22:11:44 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user moo-_-: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=moo-_- | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=moo-_- | Rated since: never

22:17:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1004 @ 0.001207 = 1.2118 BTC [+]

22:37:39 mircea_popescu: !up michiel_l

22:37:59 BingoBoingo: !up BlueMeanie4

22:39:07 michiel_l: mircea_popescu: thanks

22:42:21 pete_dushenski: "Kmart has become the second major retailer to pull controversial video game franchise Grand Theft Auto from its Australian stores... Target said on Wednesday it would stop selling the game in response to customer complaints sparked by an online petition posted by three women identifying themselves as victims of violence in the sex industry."

22:42:50 pete_dushenski: no porn in uk, no games in aus

22:43:04 pete_dushenski: what's next, no ping pong in nz?

22:43:16 undata: they'll ban sheep-fucking

22:43:22 pete_dushenski: "no game with the world balls shall be permitted"

22:43:28 pete_dushenski: *word

22:44:54 undata: I watched a documentary recently on the prevalence of suicide in some dreary UK town. I'm not surprised.

22:45:30 mircea_popescu: michiel_l sure. what winds bring you here ?

22:45:31 undata: looks like it's called "Death Town"

22:46:01 mircea_popescu: wait, someone still buys at target ?!

22:46:05 undata: it was among other things an interesting look at how people waste away under socialist nanny states

22:46:16 mircea_popescu: is this target trollbaiting in the hopes someone's going to like, go to their store ?

22:48:46 pete_dushenski: hey who knows, this stunt might actually work

22:49:01 pete_dushenski: people walk in just to see the bare shelves with their own eyes

22:49:26 pete_dushenski: then, while they're there, buy something they didn't need

22:49:31 mircea_popescu: ima totally gonna go to target to buy beached whales belabouring under the delusion that people laughing them out of bars = "victims of violence"

22:49:47 mircea_popescu: "in the sex industree"

22:50:25 pete_dushenski: dat ancient profession..

22:50:30 mircea_popescu: hopefully i'll get a price per head, so i won't have to pay per pound.

22:50:59 pete_dushenski: pay per pound of bone

22:51:06 pete_dushenski: then see how "big boned" she really is

22:51:37 mircea_popescu: lol

22:51:44 pete_dushenski: target bought all the zellers stores in canada and has failed miserably to penetrate the market

22:52:11 pete_dushenski: there's really not much room in the market between walmart and the bay

22:53:17 undata: target... recently infamous for a massive theft of credit cards

22:56:38 pete_dushenski: idem home depot... usps too iirc

22:58:29 mircea_popescu: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ed/Whales_on_beach%2C_Farewell_Split%2C_South_Island%2C_New_Zealand.JPG << check out derps saving the world.

22:58:34 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Binrst )

22:59:43 BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats

22:59:45 gribble: Current Blocks: 332900 | Current Difficulty: 4.000747027127126E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 334655 | Next Difficulty In: 1755 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 4 hours, 30 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 36810432135.6 | Estimated Percent Change: -7.9911

22:59:49 pete_dushenski: bouche-a-bouche!

23:00:32 pete_dushenski: if it weren't for "free willy" no one would bother with killer whales, too "mean"

23:01:00 pete_dushenski: on second glance, those might not be killers...

23:01:00 undata: mircea_popescu: maybe the poor fucks were trying to commit suicide

23:01:05 undata: how rude to deny them that

23:01:13 mircea_popescu: it's unclear what causes it

23:01:20 mircea_popescu: but the part where they put cozies on them is cute.

23:01:43 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski i dun think killer whales ever beach

23:01:56 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Never forget Tillikum, the great freedom fighter.

23:03:03 pete_dushenski: ;;google beached killer whale

23:03:04 gribble: Nine Killer Whales Die In Rare Mass Beaching in New Zealand | TIME: http://time.com/6812/killer-whales-die-mass-beaching-new-zealand-video/; Why Did 9 Killer Whales Die in New Zealand? - TakePart: http://www.takepart.com/article/2014/02/12/9-killer-whales-die-mass-stranding-baffles-experts; Cetacean stranding - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: (1 more message)

23:03:22 pete_dushenski: rare =! never ever ;)

23:04:06 mircea_popescu: a ? well i guess that's something i learned today then

23:05:09 pete_dushenski: whales love beaches

23:05:38 undata: they're trying to re-evolve legs

23:06:56 cazalla: pete_dushenski, no-one in the history of Australia has ever purchase vidya games from kmart

23:07:38 cazalla: and if they did, it was merely so they could take the game back for a refund after copying the cd key

23:08:59 mircea_popescu: .l.

23:09:02 mircea_popescu: lol*

23:09:29 BingoBoingo: ,k,

23:09:38 pete_dushenski: kmart: funding drm scams since 1985

23:14:44 pete_dushenski: "To date, the developers have raised just over $65m from nearly 700,000 backers, which makes Star Citizen the largest crowdfunded project there has ever been by a huge margin. (The next largest, a publishing platform called Ethereum, has raised a comparatively paltry $18m.)"

23:15:22 pete_dushenski: $2,500 for a video game space ship... fuck me

23:15:58 cazalla: star citizen better deliver the goods

23:16:01 undata: it's all about No Man's Sky anyway

23:17:03 pete_dushenski: and calling buterin's scam a "publishing platform" is awfully generous

23:18:24 pete_dushenski: cazalla if gta5 can deliver, then surely something with a fraction of the drugs, violence, and sex industree can

23:18:34 mircea_popescu: lol

23:18:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00036115 = 7.223 BTC [-]

23:19:02 pete_dushenski: star citizen will prove, once and for all, that consumers really want good clean fun

23:19:22 undata: bah

23:19:25 pete_dushenski: undata is that a console game too?

23:19:40 undata: pete_dushenski: yeah, upcoming space sim with a generated universe

23:19:52 undata: looks incredible if it delivers

23:19:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00035894 = 5.0252 BTC [-]

23:20:08 pete_dushenski: neato

23:21:22 undata: Cloud Imperium does look pretty badass, if the videos are any indication of where it's headed

23:21:56 undata: there's something amusing in there about proles pouring enough money to build a real rocket into a toy, but..

23:22:44 pete_dushenski: real rockets don't provide as many hours of entertainment for as many proles

23:23:18 pete_dushenski: it's all about roi where "return" is in units of time mindlessly consumed

23:24:04 undata: "The humans then turned their attention inward, creating ever more realistic virtual worlds to live within. The comet hit in 2091."

23:26:04 cazalla: pete_dushenski, i can see paying $2,500 for a ship in a game, not as a pre-order mind you. i hope for a game where bitcoin is the ingame currency and players set pricing for resources independent of publisher

23:27:30 pete_dushenski: cazalla it'll happen

23:27:41 undata: cazalla: if you pay me $2.5k, I will imagine an incredible ship for you.

23:28:22 mircea_popescu: <cazalla> pete_dushenski, i can see paying $2,500 for a ship in a game, not as a pre-order mind you. i hope for a game where bitcoin is the ingame currency and players set pricing for resources independent of publisher << it;'s called eve

23:28:28 mircea_popescu: 2-3k is about what a titan costs

23:28:32 mircea_popescu: boring as fuck, also.

23:30:01 pete_dushenski: so it exists, fraudsters guild and all

23:30:28 pete_dushenski: undata how incredible are we talking? like built-in-easy-bake-oven-incredible?

23:31:33 mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jc3_Iy1UouQ << for my curiosity, anyone know what this is ?

23:31:33 assbot: Mihai Margineanu - Tiganeasca - super tare melodia - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1w4jxlC )

23:32:46 cazalla: mircea_popescu, ya, i know of eve but who wants to fuck about with fiat to isk to bitcoin, y u nao use bitcoin itself already

23:33:04 mircea_popescu: actually you can go isk-bitcoin straight.

23:33:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00035894 = 2.8715 BTC [-]

23:33:18 mircea_popescu: for that matter, you can trade s.mpoe for isk

23:33:49 pete_dushenski: if only the dumper knew that before!

23:35:34 cazalla: mircea_popescu, is isk created in same fashion as wow gold?

23:35:44 mircea_popescu: pretty much

23:42:06 pete_dushenski: so i've decided to join the mechanical keyboard ranks

23:42:19 mats_cd03: so hip

23:42:24 pete_dushenski: i ordered a model m and a unicomp to see how they stack up

23:42:33 pete_dushenski: tres chic

23:43:49 mircea_popescu: you people with your retro fashions will be the end of the fucking world

23:43:51 mircea_popescu: buncha terrorists

23:43:58 mircea_popescu: what's next, mechanical sex instead of virtual sex ?

23:44:35 pete_dushenski: lol

23:45:01 pete_dushenski: maybe mechanical bitcoin miners are on the horizon

23:45:23 pete_dushenski: they could be built to last for 1000s of years

23:47:24 pete_dushenski: and what is #b-a if not terrorist central?

23:49:38 pete_dushenski: speaking of nothing, my latest: http://www.contravex.com/2014/12/03/to-a-redditard/

23:49:39 assbot: To A Redditard | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1w4kJFF )