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00:03:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7720 @ 0.00089761 = 6.9295 BTC [-]

00:04:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10930 @ 0.00089508 = 9.7832 BTC [-]

00:06:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 303 @ 0.001 = 0.303 BTC [-]

00:16:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 317 @ 0.0006601 = 0.2093 BTC [+]

00:18:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 444 @ 0.0006601 = 0.2931 BTC [+]

00:27:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 499 @ 0.00089822 = 0.4482 BTC [+]

00:28:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 3116 @ 0.001 = 3.116 BTC [-]

00:41:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0049999 = 0.5 BTC [+] {2}

00:43:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15460 @ 0.00089876 = 13.8948 BTC [+] {2}

00:46:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 305 @ 0.001 = 0.305 BTC [-]

00:52:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 209 @ 0.001 = 0.209 BTC [-]

00:59:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23750 @ 0.00089632 = 21.2876 BTC [-]

01:11:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 61 @ 0.00490492 = 0.2992 BTC [-] {2}

01:13:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62400 @ 0.00089682 = 55.9616 BTC [+] {3}

01:17:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.001 = 1 BTC [-]

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01:46:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17950 @ 0.00089864 = 16.1306 BTC [+] {2}

01:50:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18150 @ 0.00089634 = 16.2686 BTC [-] {2}

01:57:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3895 @ 0.00089931 = 3.5028 BTC [+]

02:14:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16200 @ 0.00089617 = 14.518 BTC [-]

02:18:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41848 @ 0.00089939 = 37.6377 BTC [+] {4}

02:25:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.50012011 BTC [-]

02:28:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39651 @ 0.00090218 = 35.7723 BTC [+] {2}

02:29:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20453 @ 0.00090378 = 18.485 BTC [+] {2}

02:36:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.53 BTC [+]

02:37:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 106 @ 0.00499547 = 0.5295 BTC [+] {5}

02:42:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.526 BTC [-]

02:50:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.50010027 = 3.5007 BTC [-] {4}

02:51:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 68 @ 0.00474759 = 0.3228 BTC [-] {4}

02:54:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5005 BTC [+]

03:10:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00089779 = 15.8909 BTC [-] {2}

03:14:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.50016666 = 1.5005 BTC [-] {3}

03:26:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22074 @ 0.00090387 = 19.952 BTC [+]

03:54:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.53489999 BTC [+]

03:55:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.53498819 = 2.6749 BTC [+] {4}

03:56:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00090494 = 4.8867 BTC [+]

04:07:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0495 = 0.2475 BTC [-]

04:10:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2500 @ 0.0000975 = 0.2438 BTC [-]

04:12:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.53599999 BTC [+]

04:24:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00090393 = 10.6664 BTC [-]

04:27:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.536 BTC [+]

04:28:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26535 @ 0.00090507 = 24.016 BTC [+] {2}

04:29:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2090 @ 0.00090566 = 1.8928 BTC [+]

04:30:52 asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2014/01/dual-ec-drbg-backdoor.htm

04:40:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41750 @ 0.00090267 = 37.6865 BTC [-] {3}

04:57:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.00090578 = 19.2025 BTC [+] {3}

05:01:09 asciilifeform: https://github.com/elvanderb/TCP-32764

05:09:38 asciilifeform: idiots couldn't even be bothered to implement 'port knocking.'

05:09:40 asciilifeform: go figure.

05:11:49 asciilifeform: or, alternatively, Meta-NSA backdoor /does/ use port-knocking, and this is a decoy for lamers.

05:12:42 pankkake: another case for http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=4371

05:17:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40600 @ 0.00090446 = 36.7211 BTC [-] {2}

05:18:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16524 @ 0.00090283 = 14.9184 BTC [-]

05:26:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00090611 = 10.7827 BTC [+] {2}

05:33:54 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> http://cryptome.org/2014/01/dual-ec-drbg-backdoor.htm <<< ahahaha

05:35:46 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-all-american-asshole-in-his-own-words-with-my-own-notes/ << most notes. ever.

05:35:48 ozbot: The all-American asshole, in his own words, with my own notes pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu

05:38:38 pankkake: will anyone actually read it, that is the question

05:38:52 truffles: haha

05:39:04 truffles: good title, almost clicked though

05:40:28 Duffer1: omg even the notes have notes

05:42:24 pankkake: so meta

05:45:11 kakobrekla: omg doge-dice is real

05:45:18 kakobrekla: and it broke dogecoin

05:45:27 kakobrekla: well, doug did

05:47:27 mircea_popescu: Panadol indeed.

05:47:32 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla lol how ?

05:47:56 kakobrekla: http://www.reddit.com/r/dogecoin/comments/1ufl1e/much_concern_dogecoin_block_chain_has_split/

05:47:57 ozbot: Much concern: Dogecoin block chain HAS SPLIT : dogecoin

05:48:14 kakobrekla: see first reply

05:48:40 pankkake: Ten days ago, the developers made a change to the Dogecoin client that raised the limit of coins in a block from 500 million to 10 billion.

05:48:43 pankkake: lol

05:48:52 kakobrekla: not only SD did not break BTC but JD (offchain) broke DOGE!

05:48:59 kakobrekla: such ironic

05:49:05 pankkake: that's what I tried to do with bernankoin, but I didn't test and nothing worked

05:49:39 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla lol

05:50:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.53100021 BTC [-]

05:52:09 Duffer1: damn MP how'd you even find that guy's blog

05:52:12 Duffer1: ?

05:53:21 mircea_popescu: apparently i got really good intel.

05:53:45 Duffer1: do you have a bounty system for gems like that?

05:54:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52100021 BTC [-]

05:54:20 mircea_popescu: in a sense

05:54:40 mircea_popescu: this was a very happy ending to a "find me a bitcoin dork that's not in bitcoin" side project

05:56:38 benkay: mircea_popescu have you been reading david foster wallace? your footnotes are going fractal.

05:56:54 mircea_popescu: i've not been reading because i'm too busy writing ;/

05:56:58 mircea_popescu: it's like a sickness

05:58:25 kakobrekla: theres too much to read already

05:58:44 mircea_popescu: true.

05:58:50 kakobrekla: everyone should take a 100 year break

05:58:53 kakobrekla: so we can catch up

05:58:57 mircea_popescu: anyway, i'll go read some sleep nao. take it ezzy

05:59:10 pankkake: add an epub export

05:59:21 kakobrekla: nite

05:59:22 Duffer1: ha

06:02:17 benkay: footnote twenty two: in which mp discloses that he's stripping html

06:02:26 benkay: i thought that sort of code twattery was for the slaves?

06:05:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 44 @ 0.00499536 = 0.2198 BTC [+] {5}

06:14:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 18 @ 0.53100021 = 9.558 BTC [+]

06:16:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18700 @ 0.0009063 = 16.9478 BTC [+] {2}

06:21:33 KRS1: lol twattery

06:23:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36650 @ 0.00090555 = 33.1884 BTC [-]

06:24:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1450 @ 0.00090283 = 1.3091 BTC [-]

06:27:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00090283 = 5.5073 BTC [-]

06:33:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 5000 @ 0.001 = 5 BTC [-]

06:52:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 300 @ 0.001 = 0.3 BTC [-]

06:57:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 553 @ 0.00095095 = 0.5259 BTC [-] {3}

07:03:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18297 @ 0.00090526 = 16.5635 BTC [+]

07:14:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55297 @ 0.00090557 = 50.0753 BTC [+] {2}

07:15:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42004 @ 0.00090739 = 38.114 BTC [+] {2}

07:22:07 kakobrekla: mike_c nice work on the bitbet dividends, what a mess. time to automate the thingy i guess.

07:34:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19141 @ 0.0009085 = 17.3896 BTC [+] {3}

07:34:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 35 @ 0.02331587 = 0.8161 BTC [-] {8}

07:35:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11052 @ 0.00090909 = 10.0473 BTC [+] {2}

07:36:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 857 @ 0.00091001 = 0.7799 BTC [+]

07:40:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.52000021 = 1.04 BTC [-] {2}

07:50:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.00090982 = 2.8204 BTC [-]

07:59:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17233 @ 0.00090744 = 15.6379 BTC [-]

08:28:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24802 @ 0.00090283 = 22.392 BTC [-]

08:32:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.0009035 = 11.8359 BTC [+]

08:33:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7274 @ 0.00090283 = 6.5672 BTC [-]

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08:47:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.00090262 = 5.6865 BTC [-]

08:49:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.04999999 = 1 BTC [+] {2}

09:01:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13942 @ 0.00090262 = 12.5843 BTC [-]

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09:25:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32067 @ 0.00090479 = 29.0139 BTC [+] {3}

09:38:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49399 @ 0.00091019 = 44.9625 BTC [+] {3}

09:39:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40651 @ 0.00091224 = 37.0835 BTC [+] {3}

09:58:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3184 @ 0.00090628 = 2.8856 BTC [-]

10:41:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 132 @ 0.002871 = 0.379 BTC [-]

10:50:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 999 @ 0.001 = 0.999 BTC [+]

10:58:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00090287 = 18.0574 BTC [-]

11:07:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24839 @ 0.00090206 = 22.4063 BTC [-] {2}

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11:29:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.521 = 2.084 BTC [-]

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11:32:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.53799999 BTC [+]

11:33:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.538 = 1.614 BTC [+]

11:46:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21500 @ 0.00090244 = 19.4025 BTC [+]

11:49:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16624 @ 0.00090151 = 14.9867 BTC [-]

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11:51:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 900 @ 0.001 = 0.9 BTC [+]

12:00:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30500 @ 0.00090248 = 27.5256 BTC [+] {2}

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12:20:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22200 @ 0.00090633 = 20.1205 BTC [+]

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12:24:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23100 @ 0.00090676 = 20.9462 BTC [+] {2}

12:30:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16243 @ 0.0009015 = 14.6431 BTC [-] {3}

12:33:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5 = 1 BTC [+] {2}

12:35:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.49999999 = 1 BTC [-]

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12:51:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00090519 = 18.1038 BTC [+]

12:56:39 mircea_popescu: .d

12:56:39 ozbot: 1418481395.26264 | Next Diff in 1477 blocks | Estimated Change: 7.0159% in 9d 12h 49m 21s

12:59:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00090711 = 17.6886 BTC [+]

13:02:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 45 @ 0.002895 = 0.1303 BTC [+]

13:10:34 mircea_popescu: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/15/AR2008021502901.html

13:10:35 ozbot: The Dumbing Of America

13:13:21 Duffer1: sounds about right

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13:19:49 mircea_popescu: not a bad article.

13:21:55 Duffer1: doesn't help anyone though

13:22:41 Duffer1: anyone who read it already know, everyone else embraces ignorance like a warm blanket

13:24:17 mircea_popescu: ayup.

13:25:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 110 @ 0.00472694 = 0.52 BTC [+] {4}

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13:27:20 Duffer1: MP have you seen any of our standard political ads?

13:29:05 Duffer1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wo_Ejfc5hW8 skip to 2:20 for the good part

13:29:05 ozbot: Demon Sheep Ad FCINO: Fiscal Conservative In Name Only. - YouTube

13:30:12 mircea_popescu: this'd be the first one.

13:31:53 mircea_popescu: ha. this thing cost five grand to make

13:33:06 ThickAsThieves: looks like 1982

13:33:32 Duffer1: it's pretty standard fare though, and it works

13:33:46 mircea_popescu: im sure it does.

13:34:09 mircea_popescu: the reason this particular bit works however has nothing to do with the form, and everything to do with the facvt it's true

13:34:14 mircea_popescu: and truth is a powerful thing.

13:34:22 ThickAsThieves: i dont know much about that race, but the argument seems to be "This guy made the budget in a year when there was no money"

13:34:22 Duffer1: i'm just trying to give you a picture of just how bad it is here, that washington post article doesn't really capture it

13:34:42 mircea_popescu: Duffer1 well it is five years old.

13:34:54 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves is that a weak argument ?

13:35:27 ThickAsThieves: i dunno, i assume someone has to be the asshole to tell everyone the math dont add up

13:36:15 Duffer1: i'm not sure if it's a weak argument or not, it could very well be a total lie since they're under no obligation to be accurate

13:36:30 mircea_popescu: moreover, is there a difference between the girl turning tricks during the recession from the girl turning tricks during the boom ?

13:36:35 mircea_popescu: they're both prostitutes.

13:37:01 mircea_popescu: one gets more money, the other gets more bruises, but still, what they do is what they do.

13:37:10 ThickAsThieves: i'm unclear where he whored, likely my own ignorance to the situation

13:37:25 mircea_popescu: well the argument seems to be he claims to be fiscally conservative but votes for tax&spend.

13:37:44 ThickAsThieves: isnt that how it works though?

13:37:50 mircea_popescu: i have no idea who the guy is, nor do i really care. california's problems are not fixable anyway.

13:37:57 mircea_popescu: well, it is how prostitution works, yes.

13:38:30 ThickAsThieves: this is probly all Arnold's doing

13:38:43 mircea_popescu: i thought the guy quit

13:39:25 ThickAsThieves: how the hell did Cali get in such rough shape anyway

13:39:29 ThickAsThieves: they have everything

13:39:41 mircea_popescu: they had everything. then they went and told their kids "we have everything"

13:39:50 mircea_popescu: and that was the last time you ever heard of that place.

13:43:02 ThickAsThieves: http://badchemistry.wbur.org/

13:43:02 ozbot: Bad Chemistry | WBUR

13:43:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 180 @ 0.001 = 0.18 BTC [+]

13:44:03 mircea_popescu: wow.

13:44:25 mircea_popescu: see dub it's not just that they're fudging climate science generally.

13:44:30 mircea_popescu: they're fudging everything.

13:46:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18922 @ 0.00090803 = 17.1817 BTC [+]

13:47:34 Duffer1: damn that's nuts

13:47:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.46999999 BTC [-]

13:48:50 Duffer1: wait fudging climate data?

13:48:53 mircea_popescu: bad inflation numbers. bad employment numbers. pseudoclimatology. bad forensic tests (yeah, right, this only happened on drugs, not rape, yeah right, this only happened in ma, not wy)

13:49:07 mircea_popescu: pretty much lalaland over there.

13:49:34 mircea_popescu: soon enough you won't be able to find out your own height.

13:50:15 KRS1: our f'n government is run by a bunch of baboons with the head ape in charge.

13:51:03 mircea_popescu: Duffer1 that has a glorious 20 year history, ye.

13:51:36 KRS1: hope there are still others out there who believe in democracy, human and civil rights..or whoever takes the helm next.

13:52:00 Duffer1: how though? do you mean our media downplaying the severity or climatologists being 'alarmist'

13:52:18 mircea_popescu: i mean principally three things.

13:52:45 mircea_popescu: the first, historically, is the misrepresentation of the very real, and also very local problem of so2 emissions into an imaginary global phenomenon called "Acid rain"

13:53:22 mircea_popescu: this did result in better emission controls for power plants, and did fully resolve the problem, but that doesn't make acid rain any less bullshit.

13:53:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 55 @ 0.0047 = 0.2585 BTC [-] {3}

13:53:59 mircea_popescu: the second is the misrepresentation of high atmosphere chemistry processes, to have the so called "greenhouse gases" cause imaginary problems to imaginary essential things (the ozone layer).

13:54:44 mircea_popescu: arguably the replacement of cfc with more advanced heat exchange fluids is a net gain, certainly it padded the bottom lines of the manufacturers. nevertheless, the entire thing was fantasy rather than science.

13:55:31 mircea_popescu: the third is the taking of a very dubious set of data covering about seventy years and containing no quality controls whatsoever, extrapolating it to create an imaginary history, and then extrapolating that imaginary history to create a "very clear" path for the future (the golf club bs)

13:55:50 mircea_popescu: which just so happened to be politically directed rather than scientifically based.

13:56:48 mircea_popescu: you could throw in there the fourth case, of replacing incandescent lighting with mercury-based lights just in time to catch the narrow window where the superior led technology wasn't mature yet, so phillips can do two full upgrades for its customers and get paid twice within two decades, rather than just the once.

13:57:27 mircea_popescu: this sadly resulted in the worst ecologic disaster in modern history, with tons of very toxic chemicals distributed all over people's living space and so on.

13:58:11 mircea_popescu: but this is more of a "derivative work" so to speak.

13:58:58 Duffer1: do you believe that any modern climate conditions are the result of polution?

13:59:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.4645 = 0.929 BTC [-] {2}

13:59:04 mircea_popescu: definitely.

13:59:17 Duffer1: just not the greenhouse effect?

13:59:19 mircea_popescu: but such generalities do not excuse bad science.

13:59:27 Duffer1: oh i agree

13:59:32 mircea_popescu: it's like this : the fact that i believe some deaths each year are caused by murderers

13:59:36 mircea_popescu: can not stand in any murder case

13:59:48 mircea_popescu: if that is all you've got on the prosecution side, i'm dismissing each one in turn.

14:01:03 mircea_popescu: even if the guy standing right here before me definitely and in fact killed the alleged victim, unless you can actually prove this... he's walking.

14:02:15 Duffer1: climate change deniers in american politics use similar arguments to defend investigative efforts entirely

14:02:25 mircea_popescu: well that may be.

14:02:27 Duffer1: defund*

14:02:47 mircea_popescu: to be sure, reducing energy consumption for instance is a worthy (and in no way novel) idea.

14:02:56 Duffer1: it's why i was curious is all :P

14:03:04 mircea_popescu: but as worthy as that idea is, calling carbon dioxide "carbon" as if that's how chemistry works makes me cringe.

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14:26:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1829 @ 0.00009 = 0.1646 BTC [-]

14:29:49 mircea_popescu: "By encouraging, or even requiring, students to take stands where they have neither the knowledge nor the intellectual training to seriously examine complex issues, teachers promote the expression of unsubstantiated opinions, the venting of uninformed emotions, and the habit of acting on those opinions and emotions, while ignoring or dismissing opposing views, without having either the intellectual equipment or the per

14:29:49 mircea_popescu: sonal experience to weigh one view against another in any serious way."

14:29:59 mircea_popescu: Thomas Sowell ftw.

14:34:46 ThickAsThieves: preach!

14:46:31 ThickAsThieves: ;;nethash

14:46:32 gribble: 11431170.1747

14:46:43 ThickAsThieves: ;;estimate

14:46:44 gribble: Next difficulty estimate | None based on data since last change | 1596891658.68 based on data for last three days

14:49:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 32 @ 0.00450001 = 0.144 BTC [-] {2}

14:51:46 KRS1: ThickAsThieves what are you thinking there in terms of market price

14:53:28 ThickAsThieves: topped out for now imo

14:54:01 KRS1: my estimates considering the diff increases are always off

14:59:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00091052 = 10.0157 BTC [+] {2}

15:13:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00009 = 0.18 BTC [-]

15:14:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 179 @ 0.001 = 0.179 BTC [+]

15:17:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 265 @ 0.00450001 = 1.1925 BTC [-] {2}

15:27:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 28 @ 0.00450001 = 0.126 BTC [-] {2}

15:30:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00450001 = 0.45 BTC [-]

15:31:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00450001 = 0.45 BTC [-]

15:36:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26900 @ 0.00090749 = 24.4115 BTC [-] {2}

15:36:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 100 @ 0.0029 = 0.29 BTC [-]

15:44:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21500 @ 0.00090632 = 19.4859 BTC [-]

15:45:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 13076 @ 0.00008896 = 1.1632 BTC [-] {3}

15:47:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15636 @ 0.00090336 = 14.1249 BTC [-]

15:48:02 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker

15:48:02 gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1000.0, Best ask: 1003.0, Bid-ask spread: 3.00000, Last trade: 1000.0, 24 hour volume: 21898.29330831, 24 hour low: 895.0, 24 hour high: 1024.0, 24 hour vwap: 943.39381

15:48:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.45 BTC [+]

15:49:28 mircea_popescu: o hey, 1k again ?

15:49:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00450001 = 0.9 BTC [-]

15:50:12 KRS1: hah

15:50:32 KRS1: whyyy on a sunday

15:50:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2020 @ 0.001 = 2.02 BTC [+]

15:53:54 mircea_popescu: every given sunday

15:54:04 mircea_popescu: you either break 1k or you make fun of bernanke

15:54:48 BingoBoingo: Looks like it. I guess the holiday lul if officially over now. I guess it is time to see if there is a climb like last spring that leaves mircea_popescu a multi-Billionaire

15:55:45 mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/635/1btc-10-000-usd/ is 3:2 against

15:55:48 ozbot: BitBet - 1BTC >= $10,000 USD

15:55:58 mircea_popescu: these are indeed not so bad odds

15:56:14 mircea_popescu: o wow, and the 2bn diff bet levelled out too

15:57:35 BingoBoingo: In spite of reduced weight http://bitbet.us/bet/650/florida-state-to-win-bcs-national-championship-low/ never leveled out. I guess I'm pulling for Auburn to win on Tuesday.

15:58:45 mircea_popescu: the sports don't get as much interest as diff/price huh ?

15:59:29 mircea_popescu: it would stand to reason that this navel grazing is in fact indicative of bitcoin's nicheness. as bitcoin diff bets start getting less interest than sport bets we will know that bitcoin is pretty much reached its secular price.

15:59:36 mircea_popescu: until then, upside is still likely

16:00:05 BingoBoingo: It doesn't seem like it for the most part. I wonder if the Super Bowl will touch the roughly 100 BTC combined it did last year on the lower weight bet.

16:02:32 mircea_popescu: course last year, that's btc of what, 10 bux ?

16:02:36 mircea_popescu: 30 ?

16:02:51 BingoBoingo: 10 when the bet opened, 30 by the time the game happened.

16:03:50 mircea_popescu: aha

16:07:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10378 @ 0.00008106 = 0.8412 BTC [-] {8}

16:10:17 BingoBoingo: Well, looking at it it seems most of the BTC bet were in the 3rd and 4th bets which just kind of set the odds. Beyond that there was another 11 BTC bet, so even then I guess even early last year the big bets were BTC navel gazing.

16:12:48 mircea_popescu: well ya

16:15:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11737 @ 0.00090776 = 10.6544 BTC [+] {2}

16:35:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1564 @ 0.00090619 = 1.4173 BTC [-]

16:51:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 120 @ 0.001 = 0.12 BTC [+]

16:59:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10540 @ 0.00090322 = 9.5199 BTC [-]

17:17:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 101 @ 0.00450001 = 0.4545 BTC [-] {3}

17:17:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31300 @ 0.00090204 = 28.2339 BTC [-] {3}

17:18:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00450001 = 0.225 BTC [-]

17:23:45 asciilifeform: https://unsee.cc/rozami/

17:23:46 ozbot: Unsee — Secure and private temporary image hosting

17:24:18 nubbins`: so we were only without power for 16 hours

17:24:44 nubbins`: altho there are still 35k customers without power, likely until tuesday

17:25:28 FabianB: ;;ticker --market all --currency eur

17:25:33 gribble: MtGox BTCEUR last: 706.6981, vol: 1907.04093278 | Bitstamp BTCEUR last: 659.456, vol: 19080.67508159 | BTC-E BTCEUR last: 664.99968, vol: 619.71176 | CampBX BTCEUR last: 662.4, vol: 174.45447567 | BTCChina BTCEUR last: 650.558784, vol: 14575.71900000 | Volume-weighted last average: 658.475692638

17:25:35 asciilifeform: anybody got a closet full of dell 1950s? i'd pay quite a bit more than 500 for your Fluxbabbitt.

17:26:06 FabianB: ;;calc 1/0.00333333

17:26:06 gribble: 300.0003

17:26:19 FabianB: ;;calc 1/0.00200000

17:26:19 gribble: 500

17:28:55 mircea_popescu: you filtered ebay ?

17:29:22 asciilifeform: none there yet, afaik

17:32:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15206 @ 0.00090376 = 13.7426 BTC [+]

17:36:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 380 @ 0.001 = 0.38 BTC [+]

17:40:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 8 @ 0.02479996 = 0.1984 BTC [+]

17:42:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26650 @ 0.00090376 = 24.0852 BTC [+]

17:46:29 b0n1: someone here running more rigs with one unit that can edit the configs of the other rigs automatically?

17:53:36 asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1422

17:53:36 ozbot: Loper OS » Wanted: FLUXBABBITT.

17:53:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7262 @ 0.00090376 = 6.5631 BTC [+]

17:57:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 116 @ 0.00450001 = 0.522 BTC [-]

18:05:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00460829 = 0.4608 BTC [-] {3}

18:34:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 21 @ 0.02479996 = 0.5208 BTC [+]

18:36:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 32 @ 0.003175 = 0.1016 BTC [+]

18:37:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 100 @ 0.00318 = 0.318 BTC [+]

18:40:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 83 @ 0.02479996 = 2.0584 BTC [+]

18:50:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19730 @ 0.00090528 = 17.8612 BTC [+] {3}

19:08:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5875 @ 0.00090141 = 5.2958 BTC [-]

19:17:01 FabianB: http://bitcoinboard.net/facebook-accepts-bitcoin-on-advertising-platform/ <-- fake?

19:17:02 ozbot: Facebook Tests Bitcoin Payments on Advertising Platform

19:19:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00090119 = 17.5732 BTC [-] {2}

19:30:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23600 @ 0.00090443 = 21.3445 BTC [+] {2}

19:36:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33438 @ 0.00090095 = 30.126 BTC [-] {2}

19:40:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.458375 = 2.7503 BTC [+] {2}

19:41:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4421 BTC [-]

19:42:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16361 @ 0.00090577 = 14.8193 BTC [+] {2}

19:46:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 101 @ 0.001 = 0.101 BTC [+]

19:50:51 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: S.MG December 2013 statement?

19:52:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 26 @ 0.04960576 = 1.2897 BTC [-] {3}

19:57:58 BingoBoingo: Go NetSplit Go

20:01:19 nubbins`_: fun

20:02:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 500 @ 0.001 = 0.5 BTC [+]

20:03:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23430 @ 0.00090596 = 21.2266 BTC [+]

20:04:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1770 @ 0.00090717 = 1.6057 BTC [+]

20:07:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18800 @ 0.00090717 = 17.0548 BTC [+]

20:25:22 asciilifeform: http://zeptobars.ru/en/

20:25:24 ozbot: ZeptoBars

20:25:46 asciilifeform: for mining enthusiasts, http://zeptobars.ru/ru/read/bitfury-bitcoin-mining-chip and http://zeptobars.ru/ru/read/avalon-bitcoin-mining-unit-rig

20:33:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7550 @ 0.00090508 = 6.8334 BTC [-]

20:36:46 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker

20:37:09 gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1020.4, Best ask: 1024.99999, Bid-ask spread: 4.59999, Last trade: 1020.30001, 24 hour volume: 19824.35853558, 24 hour low: 911.21501, 24 hour high: 1029.98765, 24 hour vwap: 966.6192

20:47:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27300 @ 0.00090751 = 24.775 BTC [+] {2}

20:52:14 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker

20:52:15 gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1016.005, Best ask: 1023.995, Bid-ask spread: 7.99000, Last trade: 1023.995, 24 hour volume: 19903.70355701, 24 hour low: 911.21501, 24 hour high: 1029.98765, 24 hour vwap: 967.09347

20:56:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00090799 = 13.4383 BTC [+] {2}

20:56:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.1038 BTC [+]

21:04:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.04949998 = 0.495 BTC [-]

21:04:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 333 @ 0.00045011 = 0.1499 BTC [-] {2}

21:05:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 150 @ 0.001 = 0.15 BTC [+]

21:27:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1301 @ 0.001 = 1.301 BTC [+]

21:43:26 mjr_: hi all

21:44:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16367 @ 0.00090716 = 14.8475 BTC [-]

21:44:48 benkay: hey mjr

21:44:56 KRS1: woa hey mjr_

21:45:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 244 @ 0.00090803 = 0.2216 BTC [+]

21:48:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.004401 = 0.132 BTC [-] {3}

21:50:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51500 @ 0.00090531 = 46.6235 BTC [-] {4}

21:51:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2700 @ 0.00090072 = 2.4319 BTC [-]

21:52:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.04949998 = 0.495 BTC [-]

21:55:18 mjr_: what up what up

21:55:23 mjr_: how is everybody

21:55:38 mjr_: long time no chat

21:55:53 mjr_: was looking for mircea, has he been around?

21:56:00 mjr_: ;seen mircea_popescu

21:56:13 mjr_: ;;seen mircea_popescu

21:56:13 gribble: mircea_popescu was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 hours, 27 minutes, and 18 seconds ago: <mircea_popescu> you filtered ebay ?

21:56:26 mjr_: lol i'm a little rusty

21:56:55 jurov: hi mjr_

21:57:42 mjr_: hey jurov great to see you

21:57:46 mjr_: whats new?

21:58:48 jurov: i wish i could announce... but am waiting on havelock panamanians

21:58:59 jurov: it sucks

21:59:40 jurov: ofc tried to make a deal with mircea first, blew it

21:59:44 jurov: that sucks more

22:09:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31300 @ 0.00090752 = 28.4054 BTC [+]

22:10:38 benkay`: any lessons on the not blowing of deals with mircea?

22:10:53 dignork: btw, about testnet, current difficulty is 16, it's supposed to be 1, anybody knows why?

22:11:08 dignork: wrong chat

22:12:43 jurov: benkay` remember to ask later when it will be disclosed

22:20:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 187 @ 0.0043601 = 0.8153 BTC [-] {2}

22:21:06 truffles: <mjr_> long time no chat >>> u should update that blog

22:21:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.4899265 = 5.3892 BTC [+] {5}

22:29:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1852 @ 0.00090803 = 1.6817 BTC [+]

22:30:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12448 @ 0.00090868 = 11.3112 BTC [+]

22:30:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.02539899 = 0.254 BTC [+] {2}

22:33:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00090468 = 11.3085 BTC [-] {2}

22:37:45 mjr_: hehehe

22:37:51 mjr_: yeah, i haven't updated much of anything

22:37:57 mjr_: but i have made a lot of progress on the system

22:38:26 mjr_: jurov: I was just hanging out with Oz

22:38:36 mjr_: couple of days ago

22:38:43 mjr_: his office is like 500 feet from mine

22:38:50 mjr_: anyway

22:38:55 jurov: Oz ? enlighten me

22:39:00 mjr_: from havelock

22:39:03 mjr_: in panama

22:39:17 jurov: ah

22:42:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12333 @ 0.0009046 = 11.1564 BTC [-]

22:43:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 10100 @ 0.001 = 10.1 BTC [+] {2}

22:43:48 jurov: ;;market buy 100000

22:43:50 gribble: This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would buy 21518.045 bitcoins, for a total of 321774595.2393 USD and take the price to 1000000000.0000. | Data vintage: 0.1605 seconds

22:43:56 jurov: ;;market sell 100000

22:43:57 gribble: A market order to sell 100000 bitcoins right now would net 38054571.9009 USD and would take the last price down to 80.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 380.5457 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 6.9364 seconds

22:49:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71040 @ 0.00090076 = 63.99 BTC [-] {4}

22:49:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00294 = 0.294 BTC [-]

22:50:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9760 @ 0.00089986 = 8.7826 BTC [-]

22:51:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04949999 = 0.2475 BTC [+]

22:53:07 KRS1: funny if something like btc armageddon happens (markt sell 100K coins) market price is still higher than most stocks bonds

22:53:34 mjr_: anyway, got a couple cool things coming out

22:53:49 jurov: yes, just perused exactly this example in a forum post

22:53:53 KRS1: mjr_ any progress on that exchange thing

22:54:14 KRS1: jurov: link?

22:54:22 asciilifeform: ;;market this is bogus because it disregards stampede effect.

22:54:22 gribble: Error: The "Market" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "this" in it. Try "list Market" to see the commands in the "Market" plugin.

22:54:42 jurov: http://coinunity.sk/topic/124/stavka-trojkralova KRS1, but it's in slovak

22:54:45 ozbot: Coinunity.sk

22:55:12 jurov: the thread is about me winning 100e bet

22:55:29 jurov: cuz dude was convinced btc will be < 100e tomorrow

22:55:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 600 @ 0.00294 = 1.764 BTC [-] {3}

22:55:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0494 = 0.247 BTC [-]

22:56:27 jurov: and the question is, what direction would the ensuing stampede take

22:56:50 jurov: i suspect it could easily be a buying one

22:56:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 140 @ 0.02539899 = 3.5559 BTC [+]

22:56:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 159 @ 0.00294 = 0.4675 BTC [-]

22:57:19 asciilifeform: jurov: sure. it all depends on why the hypothetical 100K get sold.

22:58:13 jurov: these folks were arguing that someone is pumping bitcoin up to dump it at once

22:58:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23050 @ 0.00090259 = 20.8047 BTC [+]

22:59:42 jurov: and i also pointed out it won't be easy at all to get $38m out of exchange

22:59:53 jurov: through fiat banksters

22:59:57 KRS1: hah for sure

23:00:09 asciilifeform: jurov: that's only if the seller is a fool and puts it all through one account.

23:00:21 KRS1: questionable if some exchanges even have liquidity like that

23:00:59 jurov: as if doing 1000 transfers of $4k each is easier

23:02:13 jurov: would be so muich fun if some rck kid tried to pull this on mtgox

23:02:13 jurov: *rich kid

23:02:21 jurov: sooo much whining

23:02:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38913 @ 0.0008998 = 35.0139 BTC [-] {2}

23:02:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0494 = 0.247 BTC [-]

23:03:23 jurov: oh it actually would be 40k each

23:03:28 jurov: yummy

23:04:39 benkay`: does anyone know how to get a key fingerprint out of gpg + a signed message?

23:04:52 asciilifeform: pgpdump

23:05:36 benkay`: programmatically?

23:07:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 9 @ 0.02499996 = 0.225 BTC [-]

23:07:17 jurov: https://github.com/jurov/pyMPEx/blob/master/mpex.py#L67

23:07:20 benkay`: i'd be happy with the keyID for what it's worth

23:07:46 jurov: ^ benkay`

23:08:26 jurov: oh no sry, it doesn't extract the fingerpring

23:09:08 benkay`: plus, i think that i'd have to have the signature already imported for that to work jurov. i'm interested in sigs whose keys i've never seen before.

23:10:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.45205208 BTC [-]

23:13:44 benkay`: it'd be in the "you don't have this key on file!" message. derp.

23:14:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 349 @ 0.00294 = 1.0261 BTC [-]

23:21:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 19 @ 0.02439998 = 0.4636 BTC [-] {3}

23:27:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 24 @ 0.00451557 = 0.1084 BTC [+] {2}

23:28:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 4 @ 0.02534998 = 0.1014 BTC [+] {2}

23:28:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0494 = 0.1482 BTC [-]

23:29:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13050 @ 0.00089965 = 11.7404 BTC [-]

23:35:51 benkay`: hey nanotube (and anyone else who's interested): does the otc application have an API for looking up key ids or should I resign myself to parsing http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratings.php?

23:36:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.0493999 = 1.976 BTC [-]

23:37:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 500 @ 0.001 = 0.5 BTC [+]

23:45:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8444 @ 0.00089965 = 7.5966 BTC [-]

23:55:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45600 @ 0.00089957 = 41.0204 BTC [-] {3}