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00:03:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00062951 = 7.2394 BTC [+] {2}

00:09:05 adlai: the easy way to prevent that is just not to record anything myself

00:09:43 adlai: whether the idea of recording the talk is sufficiently incepted in the public's mind that several random audience members are likely to have recorded - is another matter

00:10:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 28 @ 0.10920538 = 3.0578 BTC [-] {5}

00:17:34 ascii_modem: florida law re: recording scamz0rz << see earlier thread re: correct attitude to law.

00:19:00 adlai: !s correct attitude law from:ascii

00:19:01 assbot: 0 results for 'correct attitude law from:ascii' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=correct+attitude+law+from%3Aascii

00:19:48 ascii_modem: i am quite certain that, e.g., iran, has even more interesting laws. with even stiffer punishments for disobedience. should we all hire iranian lawyers, avoid ending up on heads-off ?

00:20:46 ascii_modem: adlai: log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=04-01-2015#965080 and below.

00:21:43 adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-01-2015#965084 << what's the problem with open source?

00:21:43 assbot: Logged on 04-01-2015 22:52:28; ascii_modem: if you're an 'open source' whateverthefux, and you give a fuck that your code 'is legal' - just surrender to jail now. save the bother.

00:21:56 ascii_modem: not with open source

00:22:21 *: adlai goes searching for context

00:22:48 ascii_modem: but with respecting tyrants who propose to say that writing some code is permissible , other kinds - not

00:23:49 ascii_modem: e.g. 'software patent'

00:27:11 ascii_modem: linked article was similar to a turd that made the rounds back when w2k source leake

00:27:20 ascii_modem: 'don't read it, you'll be tainted for life and can never be a legit open source dev again'

00:28:01 decimation: ascii_modem: in the earlier case of recording, my answer is: yes, you probably ought to have an iranian lawyer (or a plan to get one) if you find yourself physically in iran

00:28:19 ascii_modem: better to get a plane ticket out.

00:28:34 ascii_modem: or boat, or rocket, whatever

00:28:35 decimation: agreed, but to shift to your point about code - where?

00:28:53 ascii_modem: one step ahead of pursuers.

00:29:11 ascii_modem: that is the only 'where'.

00:30:22 ascii_modem: i'll point out that it is not hard at all to crap out however much 'illegal1111!' code you want, anywhere on planet, at no risk to your health

00:30:50 ascii_modem: !s if you think, don't write

00:30:51 assbot: 2 results for 'if you think, don't write' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=if+you+think%2C+don%27t+write

00:31:12 adlai: my favorite nonsense was an internal usg email during the snowden leaks, advising employees not to read the leaked document on unclassified workstations lacking necessary clearance to view the doc

00:31:31 ascii_modem: this predates snowden

00:31:45 ascii_modem: dates to at least 'wikileaks'

00:32:00 decimation: w.r.t. to the link you posted about the guy warning not to reverse engineer drivers, his point about the pointlessness of the endeavor seems well-founded

00:32:07 adlai: https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/07/dhs_puts_its_he.html

00:32:09 assbot: Schneier on Security: DHS Puts its Head in the Sand ... ( http://bit.ly/1IdGtzg )

00:32:38 ascii_modem: decimation: he was entirely wrong about the -why- pointless

00:32:58 thestringpuller: ascii from da past

00:33:02 decimation: house of cards microcode shitware?

00:33:51 decimation: adlai: you can see how it would be much more difficult for usg to actually coordinate which secrets are 'released' and which ones are 'secret'

00:33:55 decimation: it's easier to pretend.

00:34:07 ascii_modem: the audience can't do jack shit to bring sane silicon into being. but it can actively and maximally destructively piss on 'intellectual property' and related usg crown privilege.

00:34:36 thestringpuller: cazalla: you still around?

00:34:45 cazalla: thestringpuller, yup, what's up

00:35:02 ascii_modem: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=04-01-2015#964832

00:35:02 assbot: Logged on 04-01-2015 17:47:10; mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: But... the 3d printed gun dude says burn it all down is an ideology... << i agree. it is.

00:35:22 thestringpuller: pokemon: i must catch them all

00:36:09 cazalla: thestringpuller, cbf this morning, didn't get to bed till 4am and i'm still a bit tired

00:36:25 thestringpuller: ;;ls

00:36:35 thestringpuller: nanotube still on vacation?

00:37:50 decimation: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/04/opinion/sunday/how-my-mom-got-hacked.html << more pro-military-industrial-complex propaganda

00:37:53 assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1IdHuaO )

00:40:01 adlai: btce still leading the light brigade

00:40:15 ascii_modem: drivers << presently the open source folks have two choices - open mouth and wait for rain, in the sahara; or cut enemy throat and drink up.

00:40:52 decimation: third choice: make own hardware using fpgas (yes, I remember past fpga threads)

00:41:14 ascii_modem: make own planet too, while at it

00:43:31 kakobrekla: ill throw some dirt towards that.

00:43:51 ascii_modem: !s sdram controller

00:43:52 assbot: 5 results for 'sdram controller' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=sdram+controller

00:43:56 ascii_modem: etc

00:44:14 kakobrekla: was talking about the planet.

00:46:15 ascii_modem: folks who bring up fpga as a solution - straight to ebay, pick up a board, see if you can bake so much as an i386 compatible, with at least the original's performance, -without- the fpga vendor's closed libraries

00:46:53 ascii_modem: with them, it is quite the same as using 'evil' modern silicon

01:29:50 thestringpuller: Chairman Popescu.

01:29:54 *: thestringpuller tips hat

01:30:05 Apocalyptic: !up mircea_popescu

01:30:31 Apocalyptic: still no gribble eh

01:40:06 thestringpuller: yea no one knows where he is

01:43:04 mircea_popescu: heya & thanks

01:43:29 ben_vulpes: dag. looks like this irc thinger's getting fragile.

01:43:30 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: did anything come of your conversations with "t"?

01:43:48 mircea_popescu: no.

01:43:52 mircea_popescu: i see guy's still idling here tho

01:44:11 mircea_popescu: but anyway, since we're on it : anyone wish to write a proper ircd ?

01:44:18 mircea_popescu: ima make a spec for it.

01:44:20 ben_vulpes: and a bouncer, while we're at it.

01:44:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6142 @ 0.00064049 = 3.9339 BTC [+]

01:44:43 thestringpuller: ircd?

01:44:48 ben_vulpes: znc is broken flaky hellspawn.

01:45:05 mircea_popescu: yeah. i guess this calls for a whole new category on fraudsters.

01:45:21 mircea_popescu: ima do it once done with reports, announcements and other first of month stuff

01:45:59 ben_vulpes: "shit mp wants built"

01:46:01 mircea_popescu: the thing where i put it in a pastedbin dun work, im sick of looking up the url for the deedbot one.

01:46:15 mircea_popescu: cazalla qntra wordcounts ?

01:49:13 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: those have been up since the 1st: http://qntra.net/2015/01/qntra-s-qntr-december-2014-statement/

01:49:59 ben_vulpes: is there a pompous name for the l2 list? the dukes?

01:50:22 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes lordship list, sure

01:50:27 mircea_popescu: oh ty thestringpuller

01:50:36 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: l1's the lordship list?

01:50:43 mircea_popescu: ah yes my bad.

01:50:52 mircea_popescu: teh... knighthood ?

01:51:02 ben_vulpes: the peerage?

01:51:05 mircea_popescu: most honorable order of teh bath ?

01:51:42 mircea_popescu: speaking of which... http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orden_del_Baño‎

01:51:45 assbot: Orden del Baño - Wikipedia, la enciclopedia libre ... ( http://bit.ly/1zN9WMa )

01:51:49 mircea_popescu: because we translate proper nouns now.

01:52:31 ben_vulpes: ooh most noble order of the garter

01:52:54 ben_vulpes: garter snakes hueeee

01:53:10 mircea_popescu: lol works

01:53:20 ben_vulpes: no its horrible

01:54:06 mircea_popescu: "the cult" ?

01:54:18 ben_vulpes: "the hoplites"?

01:54:22 mircea_popescu: then the verb for joining could be "cultured"

01:54:38 ben_vulpes: ew.

01:55:04 mircea_popescu: i dunno, ask tat, he's the naming fiend.

01:55:12 mircea_popescu: or mebbe hanbot

01:55:47 mircea_popescu: wow check out mike_c dominate the qntra wordcounts in dec.

01:57:35 Apocalyptic: you're probably looking at the first bytes of the fingerprint, not his wordcount heh

01:57:40 Apocalyptic: happened to me too

01:57:48 thestringpuller: XD

01:57:54 mircea_popescu: oh oh lol

01:57:56 mircea_popescu: oops

01:57:57 thestringpuller: where has TaT been?

01:59:35 mircea_popescu: ascii_modem: 'plagiarism' may be a 'sin of the flesh', but plagiarists exist just the same as 'wankers' exist. << not what i meant. what i meant was the construct's nonsense.

01:59:55 mircea_popescu: there is no such thing as "plagiarism" anymore than there's burning bushes or actual sides of christmeat.

02:00:56 thestringpuller: !up mircea_popescu

02:03:50 mircea_popescu: whaty's this altgribble thing ?

02:04:33 kakobrekla: someone runs a gribble clone

02:04:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00063347 = 4.3076 BTC [-]

02:08:02 mircea_popescu: but how is this possible ?

02:08:11 mircea_popescu: i mean... if you rate with it, it updates the db ?

02:08:16 Apocalyptic: nope

02:08:18 kakobrekla: i guess you cant rate

02:08:21 Apocalyptic: you can't rate

02:08:26 kakobrekla: see

02:08:35 kakobrekla: my guess is better than sexyginger

02:08:53 Apocalyptic: dat kako

02:09:12 mircea_popescu: decimation: such a law is obviously intended to protect criminals (politicians, bureaucrats) <<< or young women having casual sex.

02:09:17 scoopbot: New post on fraudsters by Mircea Popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2015/mpif-fmpif-december-2014-statement/

02:09:26 mircea_popescu: so basically it doesn't do anything.

02:09:33 mircea_popescu: why'd i trust it's "registered" claims.

02:10:22 mircea_popescu: decimation: my only problem is that it seems somewhat dangerous << from what i hear it's actually safer than flying planes.

02:12:17 ben_vulpes: !up Phraust

02:12:25 Phraust: :)

02:13:32 mircea_popescu: "moms who persist in using big, boxy PC computers and small-town police departments."

02:13:36 mircea_popescu: fucking idiots these people.

02:13:41 mircea_popescu: my computer is "big, boxy PC"

02:13:58 mircea_popescu: and it shits on his useless applepad or whatever the fuck it is.

02:14:08 mircea_popescu: how goes Phoebus

02:14:12 mircea_popescu: i mean Phraust

02:14:26 mircea_popescu: "So what can we all do to protect ourselves? Keep our computers backed up on an independent drive or by using a cloud backup service like Carbonite, take those software update and ?patch? alerts seriously"

02:14:30 mircea_popescu: mno. but anyway.

02:14:46 Phraust: not bad. livin' the dream :D

02:15:10 Phraust: finally got time to irc again. what's been crackin'?

02:15:21 mircea_popescu: "Welcome to the new ransomware economy, where hackers have a reputation to consider." "welcome to the post-modern world, where 'criminals' are more reliable than governments, and certainly more useful."

02:15:45 mircea_popescu: Phraust not much really. same old bs, restated in all seriousness by a new generation of turnips.

02:16:19 *: Phraust nods.

02:16:31 Phraust: THings just ain't the same for gangsters.

02:17:49 mircea_popescu: just as an idle exercise, imagine how that article'd have sounded if the criminals were some usg agency, stealing the woman's drive and not giving it back.

02:17:59 mircea_popescu: i seem to recall a bunch of these, and they're all fucking respectful.

02:18:06 mircea_popescu: time for a tone change, mainstream media.

02:30:04 kakobrekla: !up PinkPosixPXE

02:31:26 ben_vulpes: !up mircea_popescu

02:33:13 PinkPosixPXE: thank you

02:33:20 ben_vulpes: how've you been?

02:34:44 PinkPosixPXE: oh man.. I've been helping my friend who runs a VPS provider, gigebox.com, migrate everything to a new host node

02:34:47 PinkPosixPXE: all his containers

02:34:58 mircea_popescu: o hey, PinkPosixPXE

02:35:09 PinkPosixPXE: and wrote an ipv6_ddos mitigations cript

02:35:11 PinkPosixPXE: script

02:35:12 PinkPosixPXE: for him

02:35:14 ben_vulpes: that's a shitload of work yow

02:35:18 mircea_popescu: is it any good ?

02:35:20 PinkPosixPXE: ovh works for our ipv4 stuff

02:35:20 cazalla: mircea_popescu, posted 5 days ago http://qntra.net/2015/01/qntra-s-qntr-december-2014-statement/

02:35:20 assbot: Qntra (S.QNTR) December 2014 Statement | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1Aulvf9 )

02:35:46 ben_vulpes: i've been digging through https://twitter.com/ipxcore/ (ghetto vps) for uptime gems

02:35:48 assbot: IPXcore (@ipxcore) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1AulBU2 )

02:35:54 PinkPosixPXE: but ipv6 is more difficult, so this does a count on the packets, and if it exceeds the limit, it finds the ipv6 address, and vps in question, and then disables those addresses on the vps so they can't be targetted

02:35:55 mircea_popescu: cazalla yeah i see. qntra is so successful i got lost among the articles :)

02:36:22 mircea_popescu: PinkPosixPXE doesn't sound like much mitigation.

02:36:23 PinkPosixPXE: I'm going to update it to set a timer to re enable them after a certain period of time and do some updates to it, but it's been keeping things up for the last few weeks

02:36:49 PinkPosixPXE: well when the packet limit is breached, usually the vps will be suspended

02:36:51 cazalla: mircea_popescu, i was first! as they say, some people are so far behind the race that they actually believe they are leading :P

02:36:56 PinkPosixPXE: automatically

02:36:57 mircea_popescu: lol

02:37:01 ben_vulpes: PinkPosixPXE: is this for outbound ddossing?

02:37:15 PinkPosixPXE: this ensure the vps won't be suspended, and just removes the target ipv6 ips

02:37:25 PinkPosixPXE: until the attack stops

02:37:44 PinkPosixPXE: it's a better solution for customers than 'container susspended again'

02:37:46 PinkPosixPXE: suspended*

02:38:02 PinkPosixPXE: sorry, been migrating and snapshotting containers to this new server all day

02:38:02 mircea_popescu: PinkPosixPXE how about write the script so that you keep track of foreign hosts, and once packet limit is reached for a vps all foreign hosts that aren't on the list of hosts it connected in the past 24 hours get banned across the entire network ?

02:38:48 PinkPosixPXE: the attacks are all .cap'd and then the ip's are all reported to ovh to be added to ddos mitigation

02:38:49 mircea_popescu: "oh, i see you're trying to connect to a vps that a) you've not connected before and b) is being attacked ? come back next week."

02:38:54 PinkPosixPXE: and a null route is put in place as well

02:38:59 PinkPosixPXE: but often times they are spoofed source ip's

02:39:07 PinkPosixPXE: so that can sometimes be ineffective long term

02:39:11 mircea_popescu: why is ovh allowing spoofs inside ?

02:39:20 mircea_popescu: nm. ovh.

02:39:33 PinkPosixPXE: ipv6 ddos attacks are just a pain all around

02:39:40 PinkPosixPXE: it's a different beast

02:39:54 PinkPosixPXE: this runs on the host node

02:41:03 PinkPosixPXE: this way people can still get on their nodes, and are just informed that we've removed a few ipv6 addresses that were being attacked.. instead of their node being suspended and shut off, and they are then freaking out

02:41:21 PinkPosixPXE: and before long the addresses come back up when the attack dies down

02:41:22 PinkPosixPXE: anywho

02:41:32 PinkPosixPXE: it is a band-aid until we can figure something better out

02:42:06 PinkPosixPXE: but it saved our butts quite a bit over the last few weeks

02:42:24 PinkPosixPXE: and this isn't exactly how I'd setup vps hosting

02:42:43 PinkPosixPXE: I have 3 vps' at a very large (Free) discount with this provider

02:42:47 PinkPosixPXE: and root on the host node

02:43:01 PinkPosixPXE: and made a migration script for us to migrate to the new node, helped him pick it out

02:43:12 PinkPosixPXE: I'm learning how sloppy some of it is

02:43:43 PinkPosixPXE: I will probably eventually buy a dedi that's a bit better than the our new one

02:43:51 PinkPosixPXE: and split off my own vps services

02:43:53 ben_vulpes: here's to dedis

02:43:55 PinkPosixPXE: on my own host

02:44:12 PinkPosixPXE: but that's down the road a month at least

02:44:21 ben_vulpes: PinkPosixPXE: you launch a VPS service, take BTC (don't even denominate in BTC), and you've got custom right here.

02:44:35 PinkPosixPXE: yea, I was thinking about that

02:44:42 PinkPosixPXE: and I plan to offer BTC as payment

02:44:55 PinkPosixPXE: as well as DDOS mitigation, and of course ipv6

02:45:35 PinkPosixPXE: now that I've helped run, and in some ways rescue this vps provider

02:45:44 ben_vulpes: if you can afford to denominate in btc...

02:45:47 ben_vulpes: gamechanger right there.

02:45:48 PinkPosixPXE: and get the migrations streamlined to the new host

02:46:00 PinkPosixPXE: I can see where I can put together a much better product

02:46:20 kakobrekla: see what i told you, wife material right there.

02:46:51 PinkPosixPXE: yea, after I wrote the vps migrate script for him today

02:46:53 ben_vulpes: !s wife material

02:46:54 assbot: 1 results for 'wife material' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=wife+material

02:46:55 PinkPosixPXE: after we migrated a few

02:47:02 PinkPosixPXE: and fixed about 10 issues he ran into within 5 minutes

02:47:07 PinkPosixPXE: but mostly after the script

02:47:14 PinkPosixPXE: he said he was going to force me to marry him one day

02:47:18 PinkPosixPXE: and that it may be by gunpoint

02:47:29 ben_vulpes: good thing you've got your own equalizer then huh

02:47:42 PinkPosixPXE: yep haha

02:47:49 PinkPosixPXE: I'm probably a better shot too :x

02:48:11 BingoBoingo: That helps.

02:49:22 PinkPosixPXE: ben_vulpes: I might need you (or some of you guys) as resources regarding I ensure I setup my bitcoin merchanting properly

02:49:25 PinkPosixPXE: I've done some research

02:49:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3300 @ 0.00064049 = 2.1136 BTC [+]

02:49:37 PinkPosixPXE: and know how to add it

02:49:46 ben_vulpes: are you planning to convert directly to fiat?

02:50:00 kakobrekla: he means if you gonna be a bitch!

02:50:17 PinkPosixPXE: I will probably have a recurring tool that converst a portion of it to fiat

02:50:23 PinkPosixPXE: converts*

02:50:41 PinkPosixPXE: I wouldn't make it all fiat

02:50:48 PinkPosixPXE: I'm not bailing on bitcoin

02:50:52 PinkPosixPXE: recent drops don't scare me

02:50:55 kakobrekla: its ok hon you can be honest here. :)

02:51:13 PinkPosixPXE: in fact, I've been buying more as it's gone down

02:51:18 PinkPosixPXE: it's the holidays..

02:51:36 ben_vulpes: PinkPosixPXE: the simplest and most robust approach is going to be to quote specific prices and have that exact qty remitted to an addr of your control

02:51:44 ben_vulpes: use a btcd to watch incoming blocks for confirmations

02:52:16 ben_vulpes: there's some bookkeeping to be done in terms of counters in the itty bitty satoshis, to avoid dup transaction amounts

02:52:19 PinkPosixPXE: ok, that makes sense.. so basically I can keep the bitcoin price in flux with what the current price is

02:52:29 PinkPosixPXE: BTC match up to current USD

02:52:33 ben_vulpes: right

02:52:34 PinkPosixPXE: or whatever currency

02:52:36 ben_vulpes: that's your quoting logic

02:52:42 PinkPosixPXE: yea, that shouldn't be too bad, sweet

02:52:43 ben_vulpes: totally orthogonal to the accepting of bitcoin

02:53:01 PinkPosixPXE: yea, I've noticed it where I shop using bitcoin quite a bit

02:53:23 ben_vulpes: what you *don't* want to do is send each txn to seperate addrs.

02:53:27 ben_vulpes: you could, ofc.

02:53:50 ben_vulpes: there are clever things you could do with hashing the order and using that as a private key for receipts or something like that...

02:53:51 ben_vulpes: but don't.

02:54:03 PinkPosixPXE: ok, good to know

02:54:13 PinkPosixPXE: yea, these were some of the things I was curious about

02:54:33 ben_vulpes: don't depend on an external api to monitor the blockchain

02:54:45 ben_vulpes: use bitcoin-rpc calls to watch for incoming blocks, scrape for txns to your addr

02:54:57 ben_vulpes: and don't put the key anywhere near that bitcoind

02:54:58 kakobrekla: wait whut is this no separate address bsns

02:55:01 PinkPosixPXE: oh yea, api -> webapp -> blochain updates.. too slow

02:55:04 PinkPosixPXE: that makes sense

02:55:15 ben_vulpes: kakobrekla: do whatever you want, cartman

02:55:32 ben_vulpes: you have a thing that works, congrats.

02:55:46 kakobrekla: ??

02:55:51 ben_vulpes: http://bitbet.us ??

02:55:52 assbot: BitBet ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ie6Bdl )

02:56:23 kakobrekla: i dont understand y no unique address per order?

02:56:38 ben_vulpes: why bother?

02:56:39 PinkPosixPXE: I wonder if I should buy a bitcoin now

02:56:42 PinkPosixPXE: or wait for it to drop a bit more

02:57:00 kakobrekla: wait for 2$.

02:57:47 PinkPosixPXE: 200 ?

02:57:57 kakobrekla: myea i guess

02:58:05 PinkPosixPXE: I might buy at 250.. as long as it keeps trending back up

02:58:26 PinkPosixPXE: we'll see

02:58:34 PinkPosixPXE: glad I didn't buy when it dropped to 310 last week

02:58:40 PinkPosixPXE: and waited a bit

02:58:46 ben_vulpes: i just want more coins plz

02:59:29 PinkPosixPXE: hehe

03:01:44 kakobrekla: anyway my suggestion: give unique address for each palyment which you monitor for certain period of time. if you use bit32 you can generate new addresses on the fly on the server without private key or else pregenerate them and throw them in db

03:01:49 kakobrekla: !up PinkPosixPXE

03:02:05 kakobrekla: bip32

03:02:15 PinkPosixPXE: thanks

03:02:24 PinkPosixPXE: is assbot not talking to altgribble yet?

03:02:33 kakobrekla: its not a 'yet' thing.

03:02:38 PinkPosixPXE: ah ok

03:03:20 BingoBoingo: !up mircea_popescu

03:03:20 mircea_popescu: PinkPosixPXE aha i see.

03:03:31 kakobrekla: you dont need to voice him he is opped

03:03:52 mircea_popescu: PinkPosixPXE how about i buy you some dedis and you admin them and run a host for btc business ?

03:03:55 kakobrekla: !down mircea_popescu

03:03:59 kakobrekla: see.

03:04:16 mircea_popescu: haet

03:08:15 PinkPosixPXE: you would put the initial investment in the dedi's? teh competitively priced ones might be in the arena of $300-400/mo to rent depending upon how competitive I want my services to be, and I will probably be buying something through voxility

03:08:31 PinkPosixPXE: I want 10gbps, but I can offer low end as well

03:08:48 PinkPosixPXE: but I want high end and ddos mitigation, etc. available as well

03:09:10 PinkPosixPXE: It would depend

03:10:17 PinkPosixPXE: technically, I can finance it on my own, but I guess I'm still in the process of working out the details, and I guess regardless, I just need to make sure all the time and work I put into admining everything is getting me money and setting me up for some independence career wise

03:10:31 ben_vulpes: run 'em in parallel.

03:11:01 ben_vulpes: finance your fiat VPS situation yourself, and run it in parallel with the BTC VPS MP wants to finance.

03:11:47 *: ben_vulpes is off for a bit

03:12:00 PinkPosixPXE: right now, I've spent so much time and energy through the holidays helping this provider/friend, and while I'll probably get an endless supply of vps resources from him at a prorated "nothing" .. I need to setup a business and direction for the future of my own thing, or at least make money when I output time/work

03:12:11 PinkPosixPXE: I could potentially do that

03:12:17 PinkPosixPXE: since I'd be setting things up identically

03:12:25 PinkPosixPXE: but would have to see

03:12:32 PinkPosixPXE: the time commit is a big consideratio

03:12:54 PinkPosixPXE: with so many projects, I have to make sure I can get everything taken care of

03:13:42 PinkPosixPXE: but that's a great idea, and an offer I'd definitely be interested in potentially pursuing, and discussing further with you mircea_popescu

03:14:16 PinkPosixPXE: I just need to do a little math on 'units of time/energ/projects' and potential independence from my day job at some point so I have more time

03:14:47 PinkPosixPXE: but it's defiitely gaining momentum, and with time, it'll happen

03:14:57 PinkPosixPXE: I want to make sur eI can offer both offshore and us hosting as well

03:15:04 PinkPosixPXE: so that's another thing I'll be working on

03:15:21 PinkPosixPXE: anywho.. I better get back to helping them with these migrations

03:15:33 PinkPosixPXE: 30 minute break, and they are already pinging for my help

03:15:43 kakobrekla: good luck

03:16:39 PinkPosixPXE: thank you! It was good to chat with you guys again and check in.. I may disappear a bit later when we move my vps because we have to do an offline migration, but I'll always return, and be around :)

03:16:55 mircea_popescu: PinkPosixPXE cool.

03:24:27 mircea_popescu: !up mapop

03:24:55 mircea_popescu: PinkPosixPXE if it's like 3-400 how about getting a pair.

03:46:17 thestringpuller: @up PinkPosixPXE

03:46:20 thestringpuller: !up PinkPosixPXE

03:50:40 cazalla: anyone have a bitstamp account an able to confirm if they sent out an email 30m ago?

04:07:49 thestringpuller: not that i see

04:09:03 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_modem

04:09:10 BingoBoingo: scoopbot -fetch

04:09:45 ascii_modem: ty BingoBoingo

04:09:59 BingoBoingo: yw ascii_modem

04:11:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23837 @ 0.0006432 = 15.332 BTC [+] {2}

04:14:41 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/01/20000-in-britain-investigated-for-online-comments/

04:14:49 ascii_modem: write a proper ircd <<< what exactly is this ?

04:15:22 mircea_popescu: ascii_modem ima spec it in a few

04:15:43 mircea_popescu: and holy shit, don't you just love this brave new world with such policemen in it.

04:15:49 decimation: mircea_popescu: re: knc miner refund << yeah in BTC terms they took about %70 haircut, but I think they do all their accounting in fiat (they convert bitcoin to fiat upon reception)

04:15:58 Apocalyptic: Bitstamp possibly fucked up, http://i.imgur.com/8aWS157.jpg

04:15:59 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1AdztDa )

04:16:14 ascii_modem: that qntra link: see earlier thread re: how to think of law.

04:16:39 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla check out the cans! string popped!

04:16:40 ascii_modem: that is what law now is. to be thought of in the same light as ebola.

04:17:10 kakobrekla: how the fuck they lose private keys?

04:17:27 ascii_modem: 'lose'

04:18:08 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla may i direct your attention to http://bitbet.us/bet/1095/bitcoin-to-drop-under-200-before-feb/#c4426

04:18:09 assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under 200$ before Feb :: 1.05 B (33%) on Yes, 2.09 B (67%) on No | closing in 2 weeks 2 days | weight: 98`291 (100`000 to 10`000) ... ( http://bit.ly/1xJbLeE )

04:18:16 mircea_popescu: turns out prediction markets predict markets.

04:18:43 decimation: what kind of 'responsible' exchange keeps keys anywhere near a terminal connected to the internet?

04:19:26 kakobrekla: this chan only makes me more depressed. great job kako.

04:19:56 Apocalyptic: <kakobrekla> how the fuck they lose private keys? // ask them

04:20:02 mircea_popescu: wait, how ?

04:20:39 mircea_popescu: https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net << lol a peak wanes, another just begun

04:20:41 assbot: Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast ... ( http://bit.ly/1AdAB9Y )

04:21:23 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: And these peaks are closer than the last

04:21:26 BingoBoingo: !up Fun

04:21:27 Fun: :)

04:21:32 Fun: hi folks

04:21:50 kakobrekla: this better be fun

04:21:51 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo indeed.

04:22:05 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla tell teh group your troubles, kako

04:22:23 kakobrekla: well ignorance is bliss what more is there.

04:22:29 cazalla: scoopbot, fetch

04:22:30 Fun: I just read the Greek government debt is at 175 percent right now, runs up to €330 billion. And a lot of debt nowadays is ensured in the derivative markets :)

04:22:32 Fun: eheheh

04:22:35 cazalla: scoopbot fetch

04:22:44 BingoBoingo: scoopbot -fetch

04:22:56 mircea_popescu: ah lol

04:23:12 mircea_popescu: they were going to finally boot the greeks neh ?

04:23:20 cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/01/bitstamp-alleged-to-have-requested-users-stop-making-deposits/

04:23:21 assbot: Bitstamp Alleged To Have Requested Users Stop Making Deposits | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1AdBpvv )

04:23:21 Fun: lol they cant

04:23:32 kakobrekla: wai alleged ?

04:23:37 Fun: who is going to cover derivatives

04:23:57 Fun: however if greeks exit thats great, euro and dollar may go down alot lol

04:23:59 Fun: esp euro :)

04:24:18 mircea_popescu: euro is already down.

04:24:35 kakobrekla: kako is already short

04:24:36 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla he likes the word. it bestows journalismity.

04:24:44 punkman: bring back the drachma!

04:24:49 decimation: Fun: euro and dollar go 'down' relative to what? bitcoin?

04:24:50 mircea_popescu: punkman !

04:24:57 Fun: lol it depends on which banks hold the potato :D

04:25:03 Fun: to other currencies

04:25:06 mircea_popescu: can i get more detail out of you than "it's being worked on"!

04:25:13 kakobrekla: decimation nothing goes down relative to bitcoin

04:25:25 punkman: it's been 6 weeks, fuck me

04:25:33 punkman: well obviously not worked on enough

04:25:39 mircea_popescu: yes but...

04:25:47 mircea_popescu: what is the problem, exactly ?

04:26:06 punkman: pauperism, holidays, lyf

04:26:15 decimation: kakobrekla: all the way to $2!

04:26:18 kakobrekla: i would add to the article "self proclaimed 'World's leading Bitcoin exchange'"

04:26:19 mircea_popescu: am i going "this has to be reimplemented for the third time" ?

04:26:51 BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Qntra has comments form. Also no need to do math to post comment

04:27:12 mircea_popescu: it's not really math if it has letters in it.

04:27:16 kakobrekla: i thought i get paid if you include those 6 words, or at least 2, since 4 are the quote.

04:27:45 Fun: its bizzare that greek debt is financed atleast was financed in past via some usa banks lol

04:27:57 Fun: who in turn seems to packed and sold it as derivatives

04:28:26 Fun: afterward EU said bad bad boys and said they are going to finance greece directly but perhaps thats just words

04:28:28 decimation: kakobrekla: BingoBoingo: according to bitcoin charts bitstamp is #3 in volume right now

04:28:41 kakobrekla: i said self proclaimed - check their frontpage.

04:28:50 ascii_modem: 'big boxy pc' <<< wtf

04:29:08 decimation: ascii_modem: maybe she meant your lisp machine?

04:29:21 mircea_popescu: i think it's a he, of sorts.

04:29:22 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/01/bitstamp-alleged-to-have-requested-users-stop-making-deposits/

04:29:31 cazalla: yeah, we know scoopbot

04:29:32 Fun: any exchange can get vol by cycling btc on their boobs

04:29:34 BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Well... cazalla's article. You know you could do one if you want on their old fee rape bot from back in the day.

04:29:35 Fun: :D

04:29:44 Fun: books lol

04:29:44 mircea_popescu: im bashing that.

04:30:03 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust fun

04:30:05 mircea_popescu: oh fucking hell

04:30:16 Fun: u still use gribble? :D

04:30:24 mircea_popescu: obviously not.

04:30:28 decimation: ;;gribbles_retarded_cousin

04:30:42 mircea_popescu: and jack shit i can do about it, too, because notary's dead and so on and so fucking forth.

04:30:58 Fun: who here knows a bit about forex?

04:31:05 mircea_popescu: everybody.

04:31:18 ascii_modem: bitstamp... confirm... <<< do we even know of a published pubkey for them

04:31:25 Fun: well how can I buy CME globex fx options?

04:31:29 Fun: via some broker?

04:31:51 mircea_popescu: ideally.

04:32:00 mircea_popescu: ascii_modem nope.

04:32:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16676 @ 0.00063023 = 10.5097 BTC [-] {2}

04:32:17 mircea_popescu: they don't use these big, blocky pc things.

04:32:21 mircea_popescu: they use sleek string.

04:32:42 ascii_modem: sleek walrus guts.

04:32:54 decimation: Fun: I guess you can call up someone in chicago and ask?

04:33:22 mircea_popescu: punkman im not one iota closer to a sensible situaiton here.

04:33:32 mircea_popescu: would you please not go all pankake ?

04:34:05 punkman: well I'm still here

04:34:13 assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2J8B8W4.txt )

04:34:13 kakobrekla: !b 2

04:34:20 Fun: perhaps :)

04:34:48 mircea_popescu: decimation doesn't have to be in chicago. everyone does it, including all the web providers, optionsxpress, schwab, you name it

04:34:48 scoopbot: New post on fraudsters by Mircea Popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2015/qntra-sqntr-december-2014-statement/

04:34:50 cazalla: ascii_modem, they signed they last audit using the bitcoin address 1EFJUipfCHFmmTFkF9vvjFKdBf3VbfvarM but no gpg afaik

04:34:54 punkman: anyone want to setup and admin the supybot/electrum box to speed things up?

04:35:06 thestringpuller: https://keybase.io/coinbaseguy << coinbase apparently has a GPG key published

04:35:08 mircea_popescu: punkman that's good. so what is the problem, exactly, what's the plan to resolve it, usefull stuff like that, pls.

04:35:29 Fun: http://www.cmegroup.com/trading/fx/g10/euro-fx_quotes_globex_options.html?optionExpiration=H5

04:35:31 assbot: Euro FX Option (American) (EUR/USD) Quotes - CME Group ... ( http://bit.ly/1AdDQya )

04:35:36 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller not on their site ? maybe it's really /coinbasederp instead ?

04:35:49 Fun: the price for option is in those high low columns or where?

04:36:25 ascii_modem: unless that key is welded to their traditional corporate charter, or at least proclaimed amidst fanfare by an officer - why believe it at all ?

04:36:34 mircea_popescu: Fun in the last, normally.

04:36:41 mircea_popescu: ascii_modem right.

04:36:54 kakobrekla: but they have https

04:37:02 punkman: mircea_popescu: problem is I'm reimplementing website in PHP and also changing bot to send shit to PHP reliably, and it's all a bit tangled up at the moment

04:37:05 thestringpuller: ascii_modem mircea_popescu: its just surprising that none of these "businesses" have pub-keys published for verification purposes.

04:37:05 mircea_popescu: they do a typically fiat thing whereby they act like gpg is sorta like you know, this soft toy thing. they get an address like it were a social media profile.

04:37:13 mircea_popescu: easily repudiable, worth nothing at all.

04:37:16 decimation: Fun: if you just wanna trade euro/usd you there are a few etfs: http://etf.stock-encyclopedia.com/category/currency-etfs.html

04:37:17 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1AdEmfy )

04:37:21 Apocalyptic: eventually kako can ask them in meatspace

04:37:35 mircea_popescu: punkman and you're doing this suddenly and without consultation while it's also down unnaounced because why ?

04:37:35 Fun: decimation: I want to buy options direct

04:37:41 Fun: for max profit :D

04:37:50 mircea_popescu: Fun not for plebs.

04:38:01 Fun: irrelevant :D

04:38:12 mircea_popescu: but you can use a broker, by now they cater even to people with 10k or something.

04:38:19 Fun: seems so

04:38:25 thestringpuller: easily repudiable << is this why twitter has to verify celebrities?

04:38:27 decimation: Fun: on the web brokerages mircea suggests they certainly sell options on those etfs

04:38:33 decimation: probably much more liquid than holding something special

04:38:39 Fun: decimation: I see

04:38:41 Fun: ty

04:38:42 mircea_popescu: decimation pretty sure they actually let you trade on cme.

04:38:48 ascii_modem: 'verify'

04:38:56 decimation: yeah I'm gonna check out my brokerage and see

04:38:58 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller doubt it.

04:39:04 mircea_popescu: !up wserd

04:39:11 thestringpuller: !up wserd

04:39:25 thestringpuller: !up ascii_modem

04:39:28 Fun: so last is 0.0281 means 0.0281 usd for lot? or what :D

04:39:38 ascii_modem: ty

04:39:42 mircea_popescu: normally, yes.

04:40:08 cazalla: well, here are alleged headers http://dpaste.com/3WBH04T

04:40:10 assbot: dpaste: 3WBH04T ... ( http://bit.ly/1AdETOH )

04:40:20 thestringpuller: tl;dr there would be no phishing if everyone used GPG correctly.

04:40:41 Fun: 1 lot is 125,000 seems so

04:40:56 Fun: seems pretty cheap @ option price :)

04:41:24 thestringpuller: cazalla: when will people stop using HTML encoded email

04:41:55 Fun: I am suprised that large russian corporations did not hedge their loans fx risks, or maybe they did :D

04:42:03 punkman: mircea_popescu: it was DDoS'd/hacked, I got some PHP hosting as solution for DDoS. Existing version can be backup withing 24 hours if someone wants to administer it/protect from ddos/etc. Nobody wants to do that, so I haz to write PHP.

04:42:20 mircea_popescu: punkman where'd you ask ?

04:42:33 ascii_modem: there would be no phishing if everyone used GPG correctly. << 'brainwave' by poul anderson.

04:42:35 punkman: should be in logs

04:42:38 mircea_popescu: what's current version run again ? python was it ?

04:42:43 punkman: yep

04:42:48 mircea_popescu: !s from:punkman administer

04:42:49 assbot: 0 results for 'from:punkman administer' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Apunkman+administer

04:42:54 decimation: yeah my brokerage allows direct trading of futures if you have 'approval' and a non-trival account value

04:43:26 ascii_modem: php hosting ?!

04:43:30 Fun: decimation: futures and options?

04:43:48 cazalla: thestringpuller, but i like pretty newsletters

04:43:52 mircea_popescu: punkman this really has been very poorly communicated.

04:44:28 Apocalyptic: why rewrite from python to PHP ? seems like a poor downgrade in everything

04:44:32 mircea_popescu: for one thing, ddos'd/hacked is an unlikely combo. which was it ?

04:44:59 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic i dunno wtf he's doing, im sitting here debugging a lengthy string of nonsense resulted from engineer deciding arbitrarily to selfmanage mid process.

04:45:33 mircea_popescu: about as pleasant a thing as fifty years worth of dilbert rolled up in one fat joint.

04:45:39 ascii_modem: fellas, all these headaches - ircd/fleanode, notarybot, etc. - one pill. why not one of you carry out my erasurecode-router scheme.

04:45:40 mircea_popescu: except the other side.

04:45:43 Apocalyptic: I can see that

04:46:27 thestringpuller: dilbert is kinda funny tho...

04:46:50 ascii_modem: as riotously funny as butugychag.

04:47:03 Fun: decimation: so how much 1 euro fx lot cost ? option to buy or sell it at agreed price

04:51:37 decimation: !up Fun

04:52:23 decimation: Fun: are you asking what the bid/ask spread is on the spot? or do you want an option with a ex date and strike price?

04:53:14 BingoBoingo: !up Birdman

04:55:38 cazalla: well, bitstamp confirmed unless site has been hacked too

04:57:08 BingoBoingo: Well did BitStamp lose a can or the string?

04:58:03 cazalla: http://i.imgur.com/EEhfYnV.png i took that ss fwiw

04:58:04 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1AdIHzo )

04:58:11 Fun: decimation: option with ex date and strike price

05:01:14 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/01/bitstamp-requests-users-stop-making-deposits/

05:01:15 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/01/20000-in-britain-investigated-for-online-comments/

05:01:37 mircea_popescu: seems to me like someone likely ran off with a wallet.

05:01:56 mircea_popescu: curious if this ends up going the way of btcxchange

05:02:33 cazalla: well, the wallet that was last audited has been empty since early dec

05:04:31 decimation: the bid/ask spread on eur/usd spot runs about 3 to 4 mili-cents (w/comission)

05:05:03 decimation: for mar 2015 Euro Futures, price 1.1949 with a 32k volume

05:08:57 decimation: to buy a call that expires 15 jan on the mar 2015 future, for a strike price of 1.19 costs $0.0096

05:09:26 mircea_popescu: don't do options on futures, do spot options.

05:12:01 Fun: mircea_popescu: whats the difference?

05:12:22 mircea_popescu: that one is an option on the future and the other on the spot o.O

05:12:37 mircea_popescu: what's the difference between apple pie and pineapple pie ?

05:14:53 decimation: yeah I'm trying to find the options on spot (seems it would be easier) but I am having trouble

05:15:33 decimation: lol

05:15:53 mircea_popescu: irrespective of widespread belief to the contrary, im pretty sure no entity currently can value options on forex futures

05:16:25 decimation: they certainly exist

05:16:38 mircea_popescu: the catholic church also "exists"

05:16:42 decimation: are you implying that markov chains are doing what they do?

05:16:45 mircea_popescu: in the sense that one can hang himself from it.

05:17:30 decimation: actually options on spot probably don't exist, come to think on it

05:17:33 mircea_popescu: look at the math involved sometime in an idle hour, but from a fundamental perspective, none of that "this is hw it's done because it's how it's done" circularity.

05:18:00 decimation: like, why would you pay to deliever something that's only valued today?

05:18:21 mircea_popescu: uh ?!

05:19:02 decimation: I guess my point is that a promise to deliver a euro tomorrow isn't a spot price

05:19:19 *: BingoBoingo kind of really wants kakobrekla to write an "I told you so" piece on Bitstamp

05:19:55 mircea_popescu: this is true

05:20:36 thestringpuller: http://bitcoinobituaries.com/

05:20:43 thestringpuller: Bitcoin has died 23 times

05:20:44 mircea_popescu: but an option to deliver tomorrow an euro deliverable next week is a whole other layer of nutso.

05:20:57 decimation: yeah fair point

05:21:20 decimation: so weirdly my brokerage doesn't appear to have spot (freestyle?) forex options, only options on futures

05:21:39 decimation: it does appear that forex is a very specialized thing that varies widely with brokerage

05:21:45 mircea_popescu: yes but use an option for mar on the mar future.

05:21:49 decimation: !up Fun

05:22:01 Fun: they package stuff to confuse people imo

05:22:04 mircea_popescu: rather than a jan option on the mar future.

05:22:15 Fun: derivative on top of derivative

05:22:48 mircea_popescu: Fun noobs have a reputation of wishing to get involved in the most complex end of any matter first thing.

05:22:53 mircea_popescu: this is no different.

05:23:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17250 @ 0.00064849 = 11.1865 BTC [+] {4}

05:23:32 Fun: I was watching RBK today, chairmain of Russian Commerce Chamber was going on that some russian companies need to refinance tons of mid term debt soon in what I presume usd :) I was thinking here that sounds fishy how come they havent hedged FX risk from the start

05:23:33 Fun: :)

05:23:57 mircea_popescu: Fun because a) it costs money and b) they don't care, because it's not really their problem.

05:24:18 Fun: more of b they hope gov will tell some bank to bail them out

05:24:25 decimation: k. a Mar 15 call for a march euro strike 1.19 costs 0.0221 and a put costs 0.0172

05:24:41 Fun: 0.02 is cheap

05:24:57 mircea_popescu: uptrend huh.

05:25:06 Fun: those are 125,000 lots so say 1% move is 1,250 gain?

05:25:11 mircea_popescu: no dude.

05:25:25 mircea_popescu: if it goes to 1.2121 you break even

05:25:57 Fun: but it may well outperform strike price

05:26:13 mircea_popescu: if it outperforms it by 2 cents and 21 hundredths you make money.

05:26:38 Fun: atm 1.1939

05:26:50 Fun: I see

05:27:58 Fun: there is some vol on 11800.0

05:28:14 Fun: march 2015

05:30:15 Fun: so say 0.10 gain minus 0.0281 thats 0.7 approx * 125.000 right?

05:30:26 Fun: 0.0281 option cost

05:31:26 mircea_popescu: i like people who pretend their convenient misunderstanding is more powerful than reality.

05:32:30 decimation: the bid/ask spread on that mar 15 call runs about ~0.007

05:32:56 Fun: mircea_popescu: what do u mean? feel free to correct calculations

05:33:02 mircea_popescu: i have, above.

05:35:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7009 @ 0.00064576 = 4.5261 BTC [-]

05:35:23 Fun: there is option cost per lot

05:35:26 Fun: and strike price

05:35:41 Fun: ok u think price wont change that much?

05:38:23 Fun: decimation: 0.007 is fine imo

05:43:29 thestringpuller: "You know you've done things right when people don't think you've done anything at all"

05:44:15 mircea_popescu: http://blog.khersonus.com/2014/first-bitcoin-otc-rating/ meanwhile gone ?

05:44:19 mircea_popescu: i fucking hate webrot.

05:44:28 mircea_popescu: ;;seen khers oh what's the use

05:44:31 thestringpuller: more precisely "When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all."

05:44:34 Fun: :)

05:44:36 ben_vulpes: wah jesus that's a scrollback

05:45:29 Fun: ;;gpg eregister Fun 1E42DA89AA22D605

05:45:32 thestringpuller: wow there isn't even a google cache

05:45:43 thestringpuller: Fun: gribble is on vacation

05:45:50 thestringpuller: blame nanotube :D

05:45:50 Fun: lol

05:45:59 Fun: so how do people register to talk here? ":

05:46:01 Fun: :)

05:46:06 thestringpuller: as of now you don't

05:46:09 Fun: cool

05:46:12 Fun: makes sense

05:46:30 *: thestringpuller screams nanotube like Kirk sceams Khan.

05:47:09 Fun: decimation: which broker do u use?

05:47:19 decimation: td ameritrade

05:47:25 Fun: thats a big one

05:47:34 Fun: strange they dont offer whole range to you

05:47:44 Fun: decimation: also options prices seems so cheap

05:47:56 Fun: maybe I am missing something?

05:47:58 decimation: they are known for their platform

05:48:01 Fun: yes

05:48:10 Fun: canuck bank :D

05:52:34 ben_vulpes: !up fun

05:52:55 ben_vulpes: man how long can we keep this juggling act up?

05:53:41 Apocalyptic: it's gonna be a while

05:56:34 Fun: or change assbot rules?

05:56:34 Fun: :D

05:57:21 thestringpuller: Apocalyptic: you think gribble won't be back for a few days? Weeks?

05:57:37 thestringpuller: This is personally the longest I've ever seen gribble AWOL.

05:58:04 Apocalyptic: same here

05:58:34 ben_vulpes: pretty impressed that single point of failure went this long without failing.

05:58:57 ben_vulpes: i hope everyone's been taking backups of the db.

05:59:40 decimation: it's odd that gribble died the same time that bitstamp was hacked

06:01:15 Fun: not odd related

06:01:21 thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: the back up is on OTC website

06:01:26 thestringpuller: it's pretty redundant

06:01:27 ben_vulpes: fun and how would you know?

06:01:34 Fun: logic

06:01:38 ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: and how would you know if the db'd changed?

06:01:50 thestringpuller: That I cannot verify!

06:01:54 thestringpuller: OH NOES we have a dilemma

06:02:01 ben_vulpes: Fun: try again, that kind of statement doesn't hold any water with me.

06:02:06 Fun: decimation: so yes about forex dont u think those options are kinda cheap

06:02:22 decimation: I donno man, I don't really daytrade fx options

06:02:48 ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] i like people who pretend their convenient misunderstanding is more powerful than reality. << an amusing thing to cross at this moment

06:02:51 thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: in all srsns single point of access == single point of failure

06:03:01 Fun: decimation: nor do I however in light of recent geo political events it seems neat thing to do

06:03:01 danielpbarron: kakobrekla> any bitcoin poker site already struggles for existence or is half dead or completely dead << because they don't use the WoT

06:03:02 Fun: :D

06:03:13 mircea_popescu: <thestringpuller> This is personally the longest I've ever seen gribble AWOL. < same here.

06:03:26 mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> pretty impressed that single point of failure went this long without failing. << same here #2

06:03:39 Fun: as to reality if drunk person mistakes tree for say a monster he will hack it

06:03:44 thestringpuller: but what is the alternative? nanotube would have to trust someone else to maintain gateway into WoT?

06:04:04 Fun: so no matter how reality is perceived human action does alter it :D

06:05:12 ben_vulpes: meanie

06:05:37 thestringpuller: that was quick.

06:05:59 thestringpuller: damn, I guess we just pray nanotube isn't locked up in some mexican prison somewhere

06:06:31 ben_vulpes: where does extraordinary rendition happen these days?

06:06:42 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes weren't you complaining bout the endless log an hour ago ?

06:07:23 ben_vulpes: watching the thing scroll by as my bouncer replays it makes things look longer than they are

06:07:25 ben_vulpes: !up kermit

06:08:23 thestringpuller: instead of just reading log.bitcoin-assets.com ?

06:11:07 ben_vulpes: what, you think this is the only channel in which i do biz?

06:11:23 ben_vulpes: http://www.theautomaticearth.com/oil-power-and-psychopaths/ and to all a good night!

06:11:25 assbot: Oil, Power and Psychopaths - The Automatic Earth ... ( http://bit.ly/14c7S7M )

06:12:04 thestringpuller: ben_vulpes is cheating on us with other channels!

06:12:12 thestringpuller: i feel slightly saddened :(

06:17:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16345 @ 0.00064869 = 10.6028 BTC [+] {3}

06:24:02 cazalla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0K2xW4O89U derp has moved on from blockchain technology, has a new one for 2015

06:24:04 assbot: Multisignature Technology - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/14c9UF0 )

06:36:52 scoopbot: New post on fraudsters by Mircea Popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2015/introducing-the-fraudsters-jobs-board/

06:37:46 mircea_popescu: lol now that china is looking poised to reconstruct the entire world around shanghai, the english agitprop is talking of putin pawning russian national interest to beijing.

06:37:55 mircea_popescu: quite a step up from "doesn't understand how the world works"

06:41:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7590 @ 0.00063081 = 4.7878 BTC [-]

06:45:04 BingoBoingo: !up Vexual

06:45:53 Vexual: Hey.. What is this 2015 has started already? Feels like Monday

06:51:28 Vexual: im guessing that bitstamp hot wallet ain't small

06:52:37 BingoBoingo: Who knows? It's the way of two cans and string, one of which is missing

06:53:09 mircea_popescu: scoopbot request http://btcscoop.com/cgi-bin/blogroll.py is 500'd.

06:53:10 assbot: 500 Internal Server Error ... ( http://bit.ly/14cdGOp )

06:53:28 mircea_popescu: no later tell no nothing fucking bs.

07:00:37 Vexual: so were busting nanotube from mexico?

07:01:10 Vexual: BingoBoingo: got a few days free?

07:01:30 BingoBoingo: Vexual: Not really

07:03:09 Vexual: put it in sluts.txt and do it later then

07:06:41 BingoBoingo: Vexual: The proper file extension for that type is .twat

07:07:26 Vexual: now theres a tld worth bidding on

07:12:36 Vexual: ben_vulpes: i just want more coins plz <this guy gets it

07:14:00 scoopbot: New post on fraudsters by Mircea Popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2015/peterl-scoopbot/

07:18:46 adlai: !up Vexual

07:20:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23800 @ 0.00065284 = 15.5376 BTC [+] {2}

07:42:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15214 @ 0.00065366 = 9.9448 BTC [+] {2}

08:05:14 mircea_popescu: scoopbot -fetch

08:08:15 mircea_popescu: what's wrong with this one.

08:13:40 thestringpuller: everything is breaking

08:14:31 thestringpuller: bitpocalypse 2015

08:26:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8750 @ 0.00064929 = 5.6813 BTC [-]

08:26:14 fluffypony: it's because of the Gawgoxstamp

08:41:48 mircea_popescu: thje only McAuliffe google knows is some politico.

08:42:04 mircea_popescu: it'll be a great world to live in, this.

08:44:44 cazalla: hey fluffypony, is amarula nice?

08:45:04 fluffypony: cazalla: it's a little too sweet for my tastes, I'm a whisky and red wine man

08:45:09 fluffypony: but it's fantastic in shooters

08:45:19 fluffypony: kahlua + amarula + cream

08:48:21 cazalla: on second thought, might take another evening walk instead of getting stuck into the booze, by the time i get back, shop will be shut

08:49:10 mircea_popescu: that's all for me. laters!

09:29:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21500 @ 0.00063356 = 13.6215 BTC [-] {2}

09:37:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00062732 = 8.0924 BTC [-] {2}

10:08:36 cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/01/bitstamp-exchange-suspends-service/

10:08:37 assbot: Bitstamp Exchange Suspends Service | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1wPy12K )

10:10:59 cazalla: so much drama and it's only the first week of 2015

10:18:30 cazalla: !up RagnarDanneskjol

10:18:47 cazalla: qntra down, that's a first for some time

10:21:37 cazalla: !up davout

10:21:42 davout: ty

10:21:54 davout: !s deeds spec

10:21:55 assbot: 1 results for 'deeds spec' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=deeds+spec

10:22:21 davout: not many halps

10:22:23 RagnarDanneskjol: punkman has a newer much more detailed spec

10:23:00 RagnarDanneskjol: i was keeping it at deedbot.com but now thats outdated too

10:23:09 davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-01-2015#964161

10:23:09 assbot: Logged on 03-01-2015 21:52:59; mircea_popescu: davout: who decided, and why, that the contents should be gpg signed ? << oh for cryssakes it was in the log like 20 times.

10:24:20 scoopbot: New post on fraudsters by Mircea Popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2015/open-binary-maintenance-for-eulora/

10:24:24 davout: kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-01-2015#964963 <<< what about this guy -> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-01-2015#964963

10:24:24 assbot: Logged on 04-01-2015 19:00:14; mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: so due to this thing called new year there is 57 bets waiting resolution. good luck to the mods. << i'd say they did pretty okay!

10:24:24 assbot: Logged on 04-01-2015 19:00:14; mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: so due to this thing called new year there is 57 bets waiting resolution. good luck to the mods. << i'd say they did pretty okay!

10:24:31 davout: whoops

10:24:37 davout: this one : http://bitbet.us/bet/826/bitcoin-central-out-of-business-in-2014/

10:24:38 assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin-Central out of business in 2014 :: 0.88 B (8%) on Yes, 10.19 B (92%) on No | closed 1 week 2 days ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1wPz2HU )

10:24:44 davout: :D

10:49:36 davout: !up RagnarDanneskjol

11:47:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2036 @ 0.000853 = 1.7367 BTC [-] {2}

12:00:04 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/01/bitstamp-exchange-suspends-service/

12:13:00 xanthyos: i think bc.i is broken: http://gyazo.com/f57c2a1a0e4c83bbd008aa8770a3d43c

12:13:01 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1xJY81Y )

12:13:41 xanthyos: or we're in the future we wanted

12:14:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1819 @ 0.000852 = 1.5498 BTC [-]

12:16:30 xanthyos: division by zero error somewhere

12:18:17 xanthyos: i've moved most to electrum wallet as recommended by BingoBoingo

12:29:49 cazalla: xanthyos, ya know electrum wallet is racist, right? https://twitter.com/ElectrumWallet/status/541420975716597760 (lol at that shit still being there)

12:29:52 assbot: I'm happy they killed that nigger Eric Garner. /hashtag/Holocaust2?src=hash /hashtag/KillEmAll?src=hash

12:31:41 xanthyos: wow, bad twitter account management!

12:32:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16200 @ 0.00064122 = 10.3878 BTC [+]

12:32:41 xanthyos: hopefully that doesn't suggest their software is sloppily coded

12:47:47 xanthyos: open source though

12:48:43 cazalla: nfi any of this true but rumoured bitcoin theft address, nice 1 btc fee too https://blockchain.info/tx/07a78d55fc17a2809e031116e71ac63faa6c2ea9e29480b4fa59031683b506b8

12:48:45 assbot: Bitcoin Transaction 07a78d55fc17a2809e031116e71ac63faa6c2ea9e29480b4fa59031683b506b8 ... ( http://bit.ly/1BAk9ht )

12:49:07 xanthyos: heh

12:49:13 cazalla: zzz anyway

12:50:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.00062927 = 9.6908 BTC [-] {2}

13:10:41 punkman: http://www.theverge.com/tldr/2014/12/18/7418397/notch-just-bought-the-craziest-megamansion-ever

13:10:42 assbot: The creator of Minecraft outbid Beyoncé and Jay Z on this $70 million megamansion | The Verge ... ( http://bit.ly/1BAoIIs )

13:12:19 punkman: !up davout

13:12:22 davout: ty

13:12:58 davout: cazalla: a lot of the other transactions to this address sport a hefty fee too

13:13:43 davout: which could be consistent with 'take the money and run'

14:11:22 thestringpuller: ;;ls

14:18:12 thestringpuller: bah cazalla went beddy bye before I could get to work lol

14:24:54 TomServo: !up soypirate

14:33:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.10815384 = 1.406 BTC [-] {4}

14:40:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13300 @ 0.00064991 = 8.6438 BTC [+] {2}

14:42:53 TomServo: !up joesmoe

14:43:01 TomServo: Hello joesmoe

14:43:22 TomServo: What kind of things happen at the denver bitcoin center?

14:48:01 kakobrekla: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2re2pw/18864_coins_stolen_from_stamp_that_doesnt_look/

14:49:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17900 @ 0.00065582 = 11.7392 BTC [+] {2}

15:10:03 davout: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2re2pw/18864_coins_stolen_from_stamp_that_doesnt_look/ <<< the fees suggest the guy was in a hurry too

15:10:48 kakobrekla: im now getting "my output address is bitstamp hot wallet" emails from bitbet users.

15:11:06 *: TomServo shakes his head.

15:11:40 kakobrekla: now "bitbet sucks because bitstamp stole coins"

15:11:47 davout: lol

15:14:07 mod6: pff

15:19:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15128 @ 0.00062819 = 9.5033 BTC [-] {3}

15:29:29 artifexd: http://imgur.com/gallery/KyGoaQQ << This would make an awesome shirt. Maybe an S.NSA advertisement.

15:32:07 artifexd: Anybody else having problems getting anything useful from fraudsters.com?

15:32:58 kakobrekla: haxed

15:33:02 kakobrekla: hot wallet 'gone'.

15:33:22 mike_c: oh no, somebody haxed all the fraudsters credits?

15:33:30 kakobrekla: qntra also down

15:33:54 mike_c: 502, that doesn't seem like ddos.

15:34:14 punkman: fivezerotwo is back?

15:34:52 mike_c: feels more like a normal ops problem.

15:35:04 kakobrekla: its been down for 45m

15:44:42 davout: it's the end of the world apparently

15:46:24 punkman: re: attitude towards law https://www.eff.org/issues/coders/reverse-engineering-faq#faq2

15:46:40 punkman: also this http://lwn.net/Articles/154602/

15:46:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2016 @ 0.00062685 = 1.2637 BTC [-]

15:53:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18000 @ 0.00062685 = 11.2833 BTC [-]

15:56:38 punkman: http://bitbet.us/stats/14wqgUXyHpuzyuwfYssfeLuL1YtZpeVkcR/ NO dude isn't doing too bad

15:57:26 kakobrekla: seems the bets have stopped?

16:02:10 mircea_popescu: still no google eh ?

16:02:17 mircea_popescu: !s nanotube

16:02:18 assbot: 586 results for 'nanotube' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=nanotube

16:02:33 kakobrekla: no fraudsters or qntra either

16:02:41 mircea_popescu: i know.

16:02:46 mircea_popescu: bein' worked on.

16:03:00 kakobrekla: did ya lose you hot wallet too?

16:03:13 mircea_popescu: um ?

16:03:36 kakobrekla: nvm just derpin.

16:03:53 mircea_popescu: it doesn't have one lol.

16:04:15 kakobrekla: in the spirit of buttstamp and all.

16:04:38 punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-01-2015#965207 << would MIPS be easier than x86? or does the problem lie in connecting the thing to outside world (fast RAM, peripherals, etc)?

16:04:38 assbot: Logged on 05-01-2015 00:46:15; ascii_modem: folks who bring up fpga as a solution - straight to ebay, pick up a board, see if you can bake so much as an i386 compatible, with at least the original's performance, -without- the fpga vendor's closed libraries

16:05:09 kakobrekla: !s dram controller

16:05:10 assbot: 3 results for 'dram controller' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=dram+controller

16:05:30 kakobrekla: i think the answer is there somewhere

16:06:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21950 @ 0.00063952 = 14.0375 BTC [+]

16:06:18 kakobrekla: but at this point youd be better off reading all ze logs.

16:06:46 mircea_popescu: anyway, re qntra etc : Banned the following ip addresses on Mon Jan 5 09:42:16 EST 2015 with 9755 connections

16:06:57 mircea_popescu: in all likelyhood, moar wp crud.

16:07:17 kakobrekla: who banned?

16:07:26 mircea_popescu: that's not specified.

16:08:29 kakobrekla: brb meat.

16:12:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2000 @ 0.00084091 = 1.6818 BTC [-] {8}

16:18:18 punkman: http://libv.livejournal.com/22502.html "How to sneak in a 1 to 1 version dependency between xserver, mesa and the linux kernel"

16:31:07 davout: in other news bitcointalk is now requesting that moderators fill some usg paperwork for the purpose of paying taxes

16:31:30 kakobrekla: lolwhut

16:31:48 mike_c: hehehe. 1099's for all of them!

16:32:23 davout: mike_c: yes

16:32:57 davout: http://pastebin.com/Fa5ARauq

16:34:42 kakobrekla: lol

16:39:03 punkman: "or if you want me to send it via postal mail." < send it to random Somalian address

16:40:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00064007 = 4.9925 BTC [+] {2}

16:51:56 mike_c: diana_coman: I heard a rumor awhile ago that you got eulora compiling/running on windows. is that true?

16:52:06 mike_c: !up diana_coman

16:56:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2089 @ 0.0008313 = 1.7366 BTC [-] {7}

16:58:29 mike_c: thx

17:02:25 diana_coman: hi mike_c yes

17:02:39 diana_coman: I did get it compiled and running on Windows 8, 64bit

17:02:59 mike_c: would you be willing to share how you did that?

17:03:02 diana_coman: I've written the steps on the wiki

17:03:07 mike_c: oh

17:03:25 diana_coman: actually there is a small update to make there, to give the precise version for one of the libs

17:03:32 diana_coman: but I found out I could not edit the wiki for some reason

17:04:01 diana_coman: http://www.eulorum.org/Installing_Eulora#Windows

17:04:03 assbot: Installing Eulora - Eulorum ... ( http://bit.ly/1xKYP81 )

17:04:16 mike_c: oh? I actually host that wiki. what happened when you tried to edit?

17:05:01 diana_coman: got an error when trying to save the changes

17:05:25 diana_coman: to be fair, I can't even remember if I had an account, but I somehow thought I didn't need one last time

17:06:00 diana_coman: oh, re install, the full account of all the pain is still on the blog, too, here: http://www.dianacoman.com/2014/10/30/the-cost-of-shitogramming/

17:06:01 assbot: The cost of shitogramming in Ossasepia ... ( http://bit.ly/1xKZ8Qq )

17:06:29 mike_c: hm, i was just able to make an edit without logging in

17:07:04 mike_c: could try to change it and see if it works? and thanks for posting all the steps.

17:07:18 diana_coman: let me try again, maybe there was some strange stuff going on at that time

17:09:07 diana_coman: uhm, it works now, weird

17:10:07 diana_coman: well, I've updated the version for the libs and gave the link too, so that should be clearer now

17:11:56 Naphex: o/

17:12:08 mike_c: great. I'll give your steps a try. I am one of the people who tried and failed a couple times.

17:14:07 diana_coman: mike_c no problem, ping me if it still doesn't work

17:14:39 diana_coman: re the wiki, it seems to have trouble when I add the link with http so possibly that was the issue?

17:14:54 mike_c: hm. I'll look into it.

17:15:16 diana_coman: I just get a blank screen when I try to save (with http)

17:15:23 thestringpuller: sup diana_coman

17:15:48 diana_coman: the rest works fine, so no big deal there

17:16:10 diana_coman: thanks thestringpuller

17:19:52 mike_c: sounds like some security plugin gone awry. I'll fix it.

17:23:32 thestringpuller: !up pete_dushenski

17:23:39 thestringpuller: is it working ~_~

17:23:41 pete_dushenski: ty

17:23:44 thestringpuller: oh it did

17:23:46 pete_dushenski: howdy!

17:23:57 thestringpuller: we're operating in apocalypse mode

17:24:03 thestringpuller: gribble-pocalypse 2015!

17:24:36 pete_dushenski: suprised gizmodo hasn't picked this up

17:24:59 pete_dushenski: those gawker guys love their apocali

17:25:24 thestringpuller: yea no one knows where nanotube is

17:25:32 pete_dushenski: so i broke obama's head off: http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/04/let-obama-eat-cake/

17:25:33 assbot: Let Obama eat cake. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1xL2yT8 )

17:26:40 thestringpuller: holy fuck bitstamp is suspended

17:26:48 pete_dushenski: lol ya

17:26:55 pete_dushenski: they're pooched

17:28:14 thestringpuller: haha. holy fuck.

17:28:24 thestringpuller: i love a good bitpocalypse

17:28:49 thestringpuller: watch the n00bs burn and burn

17:29:51 pete_dushenski: lol ya

17:30:14 pete_dushenski: almost as satisfying as watching wall street face plant

17:31:19 pete_dushenski: crude sub-$50

17:31:33 mike_c: fuck. i knew i should have bitbet that.

17:31:44 mike_c: "knew". i'm a wimp.

17:32:28 pete_dushenski: skin in the game: separating talkers from walkers since always

17:32:53 thestringpuller: some people just don't like to gamble

17:32:53 mike_c: yes yes. i just got my butt kicked on "bitcoin won't suck by end of 2014" bets, so perhaps i am gunshy.

17:33:09 mike_c: plus, it hasn't happened yet. mar '15 is at $50.65

17:33:10 thestringpuller: at least we all one the NSA delivery bet

17:33:19 thestringpuller: won*

17:33:23 thestringpuller: wow I can't spell/grammar

17:33:37 kakobrekla: quick scalp for best profit.

17:33:38 pete_dushenski: mike_c eh i got my but kicked on diff bets so i'm with you there

17:34:13 pete_dushenski: thestringpuller in the cash money nao!

17:35:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14042 @ 0.00063743 = 8.9508 BTC [-]

17:38:15 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2015/open-a-better-ircd-rfc/ << pls to rfc

17:38:15 assbot: [OPEN] A better ircd [RFC] pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1xL4GdC )

17:38:39 thestringpuller: a new saying: "When there is blood on the streets, buy Bitcoin."

17:39:10 thestringpuller: collary: "When there is blood on the streets, somebody goin to jail." (The niggarized version)

17:40:17 pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/05/bitcoin-jobs-get-your-bitcoin-jobs/

17:40:19 assbot: Bitcoin jobs! Get your Bitcoin jobs! | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1xL4ZVY )

17:40:58 mircea_popescu: how's ozland pete_dushenski ?

17:42:06 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu it was a little rainier and cooler than expected, a little pricier too, but overall perfectly pleasant

17:42:23 pete_dushenski: i'm back in the cold now, -30C or something

17:42:31 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: "Helo" -> "Hello" ?

17:42:55 mircea_popescu: mebbe "heyo" ? make an argentine joke right in the spec!

17:43:35 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu i see that your vacay produced a rather prolific number of articles.. did you stay in town?

17:43:40 thestringpuller: the redditards only listen to voice of reason when there is an apocalypse http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2rdwrz/why_top_bitcoin_exchanges_are_so_amateurish_its/

17:43:56 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski nah actually.

17:44:01 mircea_popescu: this is why it produced.

17:44:14 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller "it's their userbase" ?

17:44:25 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu lovely :)

17:44:40 ben_vulpes: hueo

17:45:04 mircea_popescu: in keeping with the naming conventions introduced, everyone can call the helo packet whatever they wish :D

17:45:19 thestringpuller: "The sad part is that Bitstamp promised they will have quarterly audits of reserves. First and last was in May 2014."

17:45:26 pete_dushenski: they promised guise!

17:45:35 davout: i want an OHAI packet

17:45:49 davout: opening a connection

17:45:50 mircea_popescu: you got it

17:45:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2672 @ 0.00080643 = 2.1548 BTC [-] {11}

17:46:06 davout: said connection being terminated by a KTHXBYE packet

17:46:43 mircea_popescu: no terminations rly.

17:47:01 ben_vulpes: ("BAI")

17:47:21 davout: LOLWUT packets to be used for the filling of sequence gaps

17:47:51 mircea_popescu: many moons ago some kids did write some thing that used the PIZDA/PULA convention.

17:47:56 mircea_popescu: ie, started with cunt, ended with cock.

17:49:20 mircea_popescu: was the best thing ever for a summer.

17:51:29 davout: what do you mean by "a signed certificate for the IP fingerprint if necessary" ?

17:53:28 mircea_popescu: well how do you know X is allowed to speak for me ?

17:54:02 mircea_popescu: unless the server is actually using my own keypair. which it conceivably could.

17:54:05 davout: GPG-signatures?

17:54:07 davout: ok

17:54:12 davout: server keypair

17:54:48 mircea_popescu: basically, program has one, you have one. you can if you wish use the same. don;'t have to.

17:54:59 scoopbot: New post on fraudsters by Mircea Popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2015/open-a-better-ircd-rfc/

17:55:19 davout: so if i understand correctly the daemon has its own keypair, the "for" keypair would be the user's

17:55:25 mircea_popescu: yep

17:57:08 kakobrekla: i dont get this scoopbot 30 min delay + fetch command. when i setup rss feed for herr vulpes jenkins (which is now offline for some reason) i hit it once a minute cause i give no fucks. no need for this -fetch nonsense if you change the interval to something saner.

17:57:19 kakobrekla: its not like we gonna run out of internets anytime soon.

17:57:31 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla fraudsters rss is 15 minutes delayed anyway

17:57:58 davout: makes sense, the hash, salt and nonce fiddling is to prevent against replay right?

17:58:11 kakobrekla: set it 5min for fraudsters, 1 min for qntra etc

17:58:19 kakobrekla: forget the fetch nonsense.

17:58:20 mircea_popescu: davout no, it's to make mitm and masquerading much harder.

17:58:48 davout: apart from replaying i can't think of an example where GPG isn't enough a protection already

17:59:02 davout: s/enough/enough of/

17:59:04 mircea_popescu: a replay "attack" coming from a trusted host carries a very large cost. they'll get banned.

17:59:16 mircea_popescu: tbh the l2 list etc has been a revelation in computer security for me.

17:59:37 mircea_popescu: it's been much better stated by smarter men, of course. http://www.ranum.com/security/computer_security/editorials/dumb/

17:59:38 assbot: The Six Dumbest Ideas in Computer Security ... ( http://bit.ly/1DaYro4 )

17:59:47 davout: i was thinking rely on GPG and simply encode a nonce in the message

18:00:09 mircea_popescu: davout suppose i send spoofed ip messages.

18:00:15 mircea_popescu: i can encode to your public key.

18:00:16 mircea_popescu: what now ?

18:00:30 mircea_popescu: in the design as is, now you reject my junk because i don't know the salts.

18:00:42 davout: i discard your messages since it doesn't bear a valid GPG signature

18:00:51 mircea_popescu: messages don't need to be signed.

18:01:16 mircea_popescu: and this deliberately.

18:01:19 davout: if they were wouldn't that remove the salts requirements?

18:01:34 mircea_popescu: it would but it's moot, because i'm not about to require people to sign everything they say.

18:01:37 davout: because if you know the server's key, you're probably aware of the salts etc

18:01:50 davout: ic

18:01:57 mircea_popescu: how does that work ? you know my ip and his gpg pubkey.

18:02:05 mircea_popescu: how does this make it probable you have root on my box ?

18:02:21 davout: i meant if you raped the server for its key, you may as well have the salt and stuff

18:02:29 mircea_popescu: pubkey ?

18:02:37 davout: both

18:02:42 mircea_popescu: o you meant in your signed alt-spec. mkay.

18:06:43 davout: i didn't think of the requirement to sign as an issue actually

18:08:10 mircea_popescu: actually, it occurs to me this needs some padding.

18:11:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00063743 = 7.7129 BTC [-]

18:11:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3806 @ 0.00079501 = 3.0258 BTC [-] {6}

18:25:46 ben_vulpes: oh and now a netsplit?

18:26:54 kakobrekla: it seems ircd centralization has been a problem since forever and noone has bothered to solve it

18:27:33 mircea_popescu: pretty much.

18:27:51 mircea_popescu: it's all rotten to the core, conceptually. what the shit is a "moderator" anyway ?

18:32:09 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> it's all rotten to the core, conceptually. what the shit is a "moderator" anyway ? << They are the person at the nightclub who makes sure you drink the two drink medium, but get you off the premises if you actually get drunk.

18:32:47 mircea_popescu: i thought it was the dumb bitch on tv that acted important and prevented anyone from making any sense

18:35:15 mircea_popescu: in other news, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqfvnZxR3yA

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18:36:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12358 @ 0.00063937 = 7.9013 BTC [+] {2}

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18:37:11 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i thought it was the dumb bitch on tv that acted important and prevented anyone from making any sense << AH, the asshole enforcing moderate talking instrad of moderate drinking. Easy to mix those assholes up.

18:39:22 punkman: " Undersheriff Noel Stephen said he has personally supervised approximately 12 spankings." < lol!

18:41:09 mircea_popescu: http://earthweareone.com/mit-researchers-new-warning-at-todays-rate-half-of-all-u-s-children-will-be-autistic-by-2025/

18:41:10 assbot: MIT Researcher’s New Warning: At Today’s Rate, Half Of All U.S. Children Will Be Autistic By 2025 | Earth. We are one. ... ( http://bit.ly/1rYcYzo )

18:41:36 mircea_popescu: i'd be very surprised if it needs to wait for 2025. i doubt one in three english speakers i meet are not autistic as it is.

18:52:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.0006402 = 2.9449 BTC [+]

18:53:56 mike_c: # of video games by platform for last 40 years: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6l6bcsIgAEQSo5.png:large

18:53:57 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1rYf1n4 )

19:00:48 thestringpuller: mike_c: bigger image?

19:00:48 thestringpuller: too much png not enough svg

19:00:58 mike_c: srsly. it zooms pretty well.

19:02:14 thestringpuller: it zooms mildly well

19:02:24 thestringpuller: I can't read the labels

19:02:25 thestringpuller: BUT

19:02:33 thestringpuller: i can see that the 2600 is up there with the iphone

19:02:40 thestringpuller: that correlation amuses me deeply

19:11:01 TomServo: !up adlai

19:12:34 mircea_popescu: i dunno if i give any importance to counts.

19:12:56 mircea_popescu: there's maybe 5 actual ipad games, and up to 100`000 re-skins of the same "play slots on ipad!!1" nonsense

19:13:48 mircea_popescu: in no case can one compare the amiga variety with the ipad variety, and bearing in mind amiga worked on 8 bit.

19:26:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1260 @ 0.00082999 = 1.0458 BTC [-] {2}

19:27:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2506 @ 0.00083398 = 2.09 BTC [+] {2}

19:47:30 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: it's interesting how this also happened with 8 bit atari consoles in the late 70's / early 80's

19:47:45 mircea_popescu: "this" ?

19:48:22 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: there's maybe 5 actual ipad games, and up to 100`000 re-skins of the same "play slots on ipad!!1" nonsense << in response to that

19:48:42 mircea_popescu: ah

19:48:49 mircea_popescu: imo worse on the 2nd pass.

19:49:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.0006328 = 10.3779 BTC [-] {2}

19:50:14 thestringpuller: much worse. i'm more impressed than mad at it though.

20:15:46 mircea_popescu: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2r8bmj/reminder_1000_btc_bet_that_bitcoin_will/cndh9js

20:15:47 assbot: btcthrowaway454 comments on Reminder: 1,000 BTC bet that Bitcoin will outperform Berkshire stock @WarrenBuffet... Time's running out and things aren't looking good. ... ( http://bit.ly/1vUuP5M )

20:15:54 mircea_popescu: check out all the self-contradictory haet.

20:24:33 mircea_popescu: da fuck.

20:25:41 cazalla: ty

20:31:10 cazalla: gaming on iphone/ipad seems to be more about positioning adverts next to controls or other interface options as to guarantee misclicks

20:40:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8250 @ 0.00063957 = 5.2765 BTC [+] {3}

20:46:40 thestringpuller: haha

20:46:59 thestringpuller: everyone is trying to extract ad revnue with mobile apps

20:49:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00063021 = 4.0333 BTC [-] {2}

20:50:37 cazalla: ya, only games that seem a good for it are the endless run and jump to avoid objects games

20:51:11 cazalla: not the new ones though that are full of ads, the old ones like robot unicorn attack (and not robot unicorn attack 2)

20:51:44 cazalla: shit like canabalt https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMBg75_TiLw

20:51:45 assbot: Canabalt HD Gameplay - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1HAWSiN )

20:52:11 jurov: http://hpiers.obspm.fr/iers/bul/bulc/bulletinc.dat see you at 2015 June 30, 23:59:60

20:52:12 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1HAWYa9 )

20:52:50 thestringpuller: lol that adult swim game

20:53:35 mircea_popescu: lol wut, new time

20:55:15 cazalla: thestringpuller, it's the shit - for anyone that doesn't know of robot unicorn attack - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzA4ZY_ZGo0

20:55:16 assbot: Robot Unicorn Attack Evolution (320k Dragon Form) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1HAXRQe )

20:56:02 cazalla: nfi what that evolution one is but looks a bit better than original

21:23:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2554 @ 0.00082447 = 2.1057 BTC [+] {5}

21:32:48 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_modem

21:33:53 ascii_modem: ty BingoBoingo

21:34:05 BingoBoingo: !up Naphex

21:34:11 ascii_modem: re: mircea's 'ircd' article:

21:34:21 ascii_modem: !s kapelle

21:34:22 assbot: 2 results for 'kapelle' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=kapelle

21:35:24 ascii_modem: he described, approximately, by accident, an experiment of mine - minus the fun bits

21:36:30 ascii_modem: i'm pleasantly surprised to learn that this is, apparently, one of those 'inevitable' inventions

21:38:57 ascii_modem: that or he read the log and picked the parts he liked

21:42:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22050 @ 0.000627 = 13.8254 BTC [-] {2}

22:21:22 mike_c: i feel like i'm going to take some shit for this.

22:21:27 mike_c: http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/projects/asirra/default.aspx

22:21:28 assbot: ASIRRA - Microsoft Research ... ( http://bit.ly/17e8yvh )

22:21:55 mike_c: Microsoft shut down their captcha service, which was causing that problem on the eulorum wiki.

22:22:22 mike_c: diana_coman: ^

22:22:35 diana_coman: ha ha mike_c

22:22:56 kakobrekla: what, computers got good at recognizing cats ?

22:23:08 mike_c: srsly. it was working really well too.

22:24:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00063105 = 10.2861 BTC [+] {2}

22:25:03 diana_coman: I never got why are people supposed to prove that they are not computers/bots, really

22:25:22 mike_c: before that captcha the wiki was swarmed with thousands of fake accounts and pages

22:25:37 mike_c: they were creating hundreds of users and pages a day

22:26:36 diana_coman: uhm, so you're saying that effectively for all behaviour, there really ARE more bots (be it blood and flesh and bones ones) than people around on the internets

22:26:39 diana_coman: could be, I guess

22:28:03 diana_coman: I confess I did not really look into it, but I'd rather look for some way to block bots away without the expense for actual humans - dunno, maybe some kind of timestamp check thing or something similar

22:28:22 mike_c: fraudsters tries that

22:28:31 diana_coman: and doesn't it succeed?

22:28:35 mike_c: and it is not unusual for it to catch humans

22:30:34 diana_coman: hmmm, I guess then the question remains on how often that happens

22:30:56 diana_coman: I mean: if you ask by default humans to prove, than it happens each and every time, really, no choice there

22:31:08 mike_c: only each and every time you post a link.

22:31:23 diana_coman: really? how is that?

22:31:39 mike_c: idk, the thing has some smarts. but that's why it worked sometimes and not others.

22:31:40 diana_coman: do you mean posting a link on fraudsters or on the wiki>

22:31:41 diana_coman: ?

22:31:44 mike_c: the wiki

22:31:54 diana_coman: a, ok, I don't know about that

22:32:08 diana_coman: at least it did not ask me to identify cats and dogs...

22:32:18 mike_c: the thing is, the fraudsters one is extremely frustrating when it misfires.

22:32:23 mike_c: because you don't know even know why

22:32:40 diana_coman: well, so you go and yell at the owner, lol

22:33:09 diana_coman: that must at least let some frustration out

22:33:10 mike_c: yes, but this is hardly a good solution for a wiki. you, for example, did not go yell at the owner

22:33:20 mike_c: you just didn't post

22:33:39 diana_coman: true, because I thought that well, if there is some interest in the thing, they will come asking on eulora /irc and then we sort it out

22:33:45 diana_coman: no need to sort it out earlier

22:33:52 diana_coman: and there you came asking, so it worked

22:34:10 diana_coman: I did raise the problem on eulora channel

22:34:11 mike_c: yes, but it took six weeks. picking some cat photos seems like less of a pain.

22:34:38 mike_c: but, this is religious debate.

22:34:40 diana_coman: on some days I admit I might send the cats and dogs and site to all hell and as a result not post

22:34:46 mike_c: hehe

22:34:49 diana_coman: but then again, that might be just me, I admit it

22:39:11 diana_coman: btw, out of curiosity: why is this eulorom site apart entirely from mingame.bz? I thought eulora was essentially made by minigame so I don't quite follow the different sites/lack of links or is there something I'm missing?

22:41:42 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/552233452083625984

22:41:43 assbot: To would-be auditors: don't play the charade of checking if exchanges are solvent once every few months; real-time crypto-auditing or GTFO.

22:44:05 BingoBoingo: ^ @Beautyon_ @petertoddbtc Well, @Bitstamp being more than two cans and string could have helped a lot.

22:46:13 thestringpuller: who remembers this: https://gist.github.com/peternixey/1978249

22:46:58 mike_c: diana_coman: the wiki is a "fan site". not run by minigame.

22:49:27 diana_coman: ohhh, cool mike_c

22:49:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18900 @ 0.00062599 = 11.8312 BTC [-] {2}

22:50:16 thestringpuller: fan boiz

22:58:39 mike_c: captcha fixed, no cats.

22:58:51 thestringpuller: captcha shoud be sloths

22:59:01 thestringpuller: how could a sloth ever be the face of evil

22:59:16 mike_c: that's the problem. sloths can't defeat spammers. cats can.

23:00:34 thestringpuller: http://static.fjcdn.com/comments/Omg+_fc9effa8742cabca49c35ae4827382e4.jpg

23:00:56 mike_c: wtf is that evil link?

23:01:18 mike_c: psa: don't click that.

23:04:37 thestringpuller: XD

23:04:47 thestringpuller: it's a picture of a sloth

23:04:53 thestringpuller: hosted by funnyjunk

23:18:35 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/01/vault-of-satoshi-is-closing-why/

23:21:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3867 @ 0.00079213 = 3.0632 BTC [-] {25}

23:22:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2133 @ 0.00078085 = 1.6656 BTC [-] {6}

23:25:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3002 @ 0.00078 = 2.3416 BTC [-] {5}

23:32:11 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-01-2015#966169

23:32:11 assbot: Logged on 05-01-2015 21:34:11; ascii_modem: re: mircea's 'ircd' article:

23:32:29 asciilifeform: damn.

23:32:37 asciilifeform: like 'phantom limb.'

23:36:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 4908 @ 0.00075451 = 3.7031 BTC [-] {18}

23:39:08 asciilifeform: punkman: [fpga thread] would MIPS be easier than x86? or does the problem lie in connecting the thing to outside world (fast RAM, peripherals, etc) << problem is that you can't make so much as a barrel shifter on any extant fpga without using a closed turd from the vendor - actually, two turds: one in the logic library part itself, other - the synthesis toolchain

23:40:49 asciilifeform: punkman: one can attempt to work with just the synthesis toolchain (no escape from it) and use netlists of 'raw' logic - i.e. simple universal constructs like 'nand gate'. the result - go try it - a very simple kindergarten-level circuit fills up the entire chip, with glacial performance (gate delays measured in msec!)

23:41:21 asciilifeform: this is because the entire fpga concept, as imagined by n00bs to the subject, does not actually work.

23:41:41 asciilifeform: folks doing actual work with fpga make very light use of the general-purpose routing matrix

23:41:50 asciilifeform: and of the LUTs

23:42:17 asciilifeform: mostly they hook up vendor 'library' parts together. these usually (though not always) correspond to miniature 'islands' of asic present on the chip

23:42:33 asciilifeform: e.g., an adder, a shifter, uart, 500 other kinds of part.

23:47:09 asciilifeform: punkman: but back to original question, mips is vastly easier to implement in programmable logic of whatever kind than x86. this ought to be obvious to anyone with even an evening's familiarity with both.

23:48:58 asciilifeform: anyone learn the fate of nanotube yet ?

23:56:32 ben_vulpes: not i

23:56:36 ben_vulpes: get a cloak toddf

23:56:46 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: gitmo, no doubt

23:57:36 *: asciilifeform mutters something about parachutes

23:58:08 kakobrekla: do you have one?

23:58:32 asciilifeform: neh i only have a splat.

23:58:34 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=19-12-2014#956971

23:58:34 assbot: Logged on 19-12-2014 03:23:35; asciilifeform: i dare to invoke the 'parachute theorem' and say now, that when wot is taken seriously by intelligent and resourceful enemies, it will be rather late.