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00:00:02 benkay`: general heading of "shit this firm is not touching with a nine-meter pole"

00:00:15 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You mean you don't run that bot on your nick?

00:00:21 benkay`: ninjashogun weren't you just derping about not having time to derp in irc?

00:00:45 mircea_popescu: benkay` as per the earlier linked tlp article, narcissus got hooked by entity not returning his love.

00:01:05 benkay`: ya it's a pretty strong lure

00:01:16 benkay`: anyways ninjashogun if you want privacy on IRC this is what you do

00:01:18 ninjashogun: benkay` I am making the time, because it is important. I'm also surprised by some of what I have learned about bitcoin-assets.

00:01:39 ninjashogun: For example I thought mirceau completely bootstrapped his thing, had no investors of any kind, since he doesn't deal with them the way startups I've seen do.

00:01:40 benkay`: ask your counterparty to sign a declaration they'll not publish records of your conversation

00:01:41 kakobrekla: what did you learn about bitcoin-assets ?

00:02:10 ninjashogun: Instead he got 30K btc as an investment, valuing his thing at one point around $1B. This is just totally different from what I was expecting.

00:02:13 benkay`: of course, asking for a thing from someone in the WoT without having your own identity is a bit el oh el, but whatever and airplanes etc.

00:02:16 mircea_popescu: you're nuts yo.

00:02:29 mircea_popescu: bootstrapping happened in 2011

00:02:49 mircea_popescu: i can take an investor on any terms i want in 2013, seeing how i'm already valued at a billion, with him or without him.

00:02:51 ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, sorry, I don't know the details. I just see that you're active on IRC and was just going by how you talk and participate. You also have a lot of time here.

00:03:03 ninjashogun: yes, I agree with you. I was just surprised to learn this!

00:03:18 ninjashogun: It's totally different from the ecosystem I knew before. Also, the fact that you post logs and do a lot via IRC. That surprised me a great deal.

00:03:39 mircea_popescu: i guess you didn't read BingoBoingo's other article

00:03:46 ninjashogun: I haven't finished reading it, no.

00:03:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5250 @ 0.00082413 = 4.3267 BTC [-]

00:04:22 mircea_popescu: anyway. the arduous task of reading -assets logs / lurking is at least offset by it being... interesting.

00:04:24 ninjashogun: I guess basically I wasn't taking these projects as "seriously" as other parts of the startup ecosystem. But perhaps it's true that "silicon valley has a lot to learn from bitcoin"

00:04:37 mircea_popescu: perhaps.

00:04:45 BingoBoingo: http://bsd.slashdot.org/story/14/01/20/0348247/romanian-bitcoin-entrepreneur-steps-in-to-pay-openbsd-shortfall

00:04:47 ozbot: Romanian Bitcoin Entrepreneur Steps In To Pay OpenBSD Shortfall - Slashdot

00:04:59 ninjashogun: yes, my valuation was informed by lurking in or being in other similar channels on IRC

00:05:20 ninjashogun: well, not "valuation" just what I thought of this channel. By the way this is called 'saliency bias'.

00:05:23 mircea_popescu: perhaps not as similar as all that.

00:05:41 BingoBoingo: Which links to http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/01/19/romanian-billionaire-saves-openbsd/

00:05:43 ninjashogun: No, very different.

00:06:03 mircea_popescu: the great advantage of the irc is its splendid flexibility.

00:06:23 mircea_popescu: like any good tool, it can be used by people as smart or as dumb they may happen to be.

00:06:48 ninjashogun: so, thanks for saving openbsd, mircea_popescu.

00:07:43 mircea_popescu: nao BingoBoingo can run his vax moar.

00:08:02 BingoBoingo: Have to keep the Herd of Vaxen healthy

00:08:18 ninjashogun: I didn't realize you're Romanian either. I thought you were Brazilian :) (I don't speak either portuguese or Romanian)

00:08:37 mircea_popescu: i do.

00:08:55 ninjashogun: just saw romance-language like words that I didn't understand on your blog. (I do speak some French, Italian, Spanish so knew it wasn't those)

00:09:12 Duffer1: MP's library is mostly rosetta stone modules :P

00:09:12 ninjashogun: mirceau, as a Romanian do you hate Hungarians?

00:09:47 mircea_popescu: i don't hate them as a brazilian either.

00:09:53 ninjashogun: :)

00:10:17 ninjashogun: I'm an American but have some background from Eastern Europe. I always wondered about the animosity between some of those countries - and the friendship between the others.

00:10:38 mircea_popescu: it's greatly exaggerated for narrative effect.

00:10:43 ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, are you one of the richest Romanians by valuation (net worth) or were you around peak BTC price?

00:10:57 mircea_popescu: i have no idea. probably.

00:11:05 ninjashogun: it's pretty interesting

00:11:18 ninjashogun: and did you stay there or emigrate?

00:11:34 mircea_popescu: i never emigrated. i travelled plenty tho.

00:11:37 benkay`: .bait

00:11:38 ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2r63ftbJ91qa7af5o1_1280.jpg

00:11:52 benkay`: score

00:11:53 benkay`: .bait

00:11:55 ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2rhrxyTeQ1qj4t1so1_500.jpg

00:12:05 mircea_popescu: http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m726c01Mfu1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg

00:12:08 benkay`: the left, for sure.

00:12:31 ninjashogun: benkay`, the guy in the biker shorts for you, eh? :)

00:12:54 benkay`: really gets me going

00:13:12 benkay`: girl's wearing too much.

00:13:15 benkay`: er

00:13:19 benkay`: not wearing enough

00:13:25 ninjashogun: dear God just closing tabs and saw the slashdot link. What have they done?? http://beta.slashdot.org/story/197077


00:13:50 ninjashogun: what have they done to that poor site

00:14:14 mircea_popescu: web 2.0

00:14:16 mircea_popescu: it's a std.

00:14:44 ninjashogun: I guess I'm one of the 1 in 10 Americans now.

00:15:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00082403 = 4.9442 BTC [-] {2}

00:15:12 mircea_popescu: -assets : the gift that keeps on giving

00:15:16 mircea_popescu: please clap.

00:15:47 BingoBoingo: Nothing but STDs here

00:16:37 mircea_popescu: benkay` fucking people. they run into naked girl, their interaction with her is subsumed to futzing with the phone.

00:17:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC

00:17:14 asciilifeform: everyone remembers baron munchausen's horse?

00:17:40 mircea_popescu: bucephalus ?

00:17:46 asciilifeform: nah that's alex

00:17:58 mircea_popescu: waitwat

00:18:01 asciilifeform: the one that drinks

00:18:04 benkay`: mircea_popescu i mean i'd be unsurprised but that's because american men are a bunch of silly effettes

00:18:08 asciilifeform: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/forgottenfutures/munch/cruik4.gif

00:18:08 benkay`: "men"

00:18:31 asciilifeform: horse gets chopped in half and doesn't notice

00:18:34 asciilifeform: keeps drinking

00:18:41 benkay`: also you're probably standing right there taking that photo and shit timisoara's gotta be small enough that everyone knows not to fuck with MP's wimminz

00:18:55 BingoBoingo: moiety: You know about IRC nao... ANd you made yet another chat site?

00:19:01 mircea_popescu: benkay` that was in plattdeutschland

00:19:49 benkay`: still, here you are walking around with this woman in public, taking her photo and photos of everyone's reactions

00:20:04 mircea_popescu: cause i deeply care about everyone ?

00:20:08 benkay`: just out of manners i think i keep walking

00:20:21 benkay`: whatever trip you two are on i am obviously not invited

00:20:27 mircea_popescu: well either keep walking or else, you know, smile at her, do with the eye, tweak her nipple, something.

00:20:40 benkay`: most guys not really having the stones to go for a nip...

00:21:24 mircea_popescu: the oft retold story of me talking the bitches out to frolic in the snow, people with dogs going all stiff, carefully looking away. the dogs, kinda curious hmm... what is with these humans here ? the masters, completely nuts.

00:21:41 mircea_popescu: dog 1 : human 0 fcol.

00:21:47 KRS-One: http://imgur.com/gallery/auQwvPd

00:21:49 ozbot: karpeles finger - Imgur

00:21:56 KRS-One: hah

00:22:07 benkay`: people man

00:22:10 benkay`: they know not to get involved

00:22:13 benkay`: i'm an idiot though

00:22:17 benkay`: look at me, i got involved with bitcoin

00:22:18 mircea_popescu: dat guy looks so french KRS-One

00:22:19 benkay`: FML

00:22:35 mircea_popescu: how's your lisp-of-everything coming along ?

00:22:43 asciilifeform: benkay`: and what about chumpatron

00:22:48 asciilifeform: i think i missed something earlier

00:22:56 benkay`: it comes

00:23:05 benkay`: haltingly

00:23:18 benkay`: ragel requires some oop boilerplate

00:23:41 benkay`: so delegates, implementing interfaces, the whole java shitshow

00:23:59 benkay`: advice of guy looking over my shoulder was to just bite the bullet and do the parser in java

00:24:19 benkay`: would go faster if i could afford to go heads down on it for a month

00:24:38 *: mircea_popescu hates java

00:24:55 benkay`: dat cube farm stench.

00:25:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26400 @ 0.00082549 = 21.7929 BTC [+] {3}

00:25:33 benkay`: asciilifeform: it came up in the context of "things this firm is not getting involved in"

00:25:40 mircea_popescu: tbh : i don't actually hate java,

00:25:47 mircea_popescu: it's whatever, c flavoured.

00:25:53 mircea_popescu: i hate the java machine bullcrap

00:26:42 benkay`: i don't hate it - it's just another dumblang

00:26:55 benkay`: i'm just frustrated by cognitive overhead and limited personal bandwidth/.

00:27:20 moiety: BingoBoingo: there's a difference. you don't always get dinner at the restaurant you work in

00:27:32 BingoBoingo: moiety: Still Doge?

00:28:15 moiety: it works, so who gives a fuck? i honestly think the features we have on that site are much more suited to the doge community.

00:28:36 moiety: like the webcam snaps etc.. what bitcoiners are gonna use that

00:29:11 BingoBoingo: True

00:29:40 mircea_popescu: so moiety is basically discordian and unconformant in absolutely every which way.

00:30:17 wao-ender: lul http://www.romainbrasier.fr/404

00:30:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19300 @ 0.00082725 = 15.9659 BTC [+] {2}

00:30:43 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I see it as moiety As seen the Doge and simply found an opportunity for an honest chumpatron.

00:30:45 mircea_popescu: ahahahaha great

00:31:26 asciilifeform: 'honest chumpatron' - like 'pleasurable woodchipper' ?

00:31:28 asciilifeform: or what

00:32:41 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I imagine an honest chumpatron is kind of like an idiot reserve.

00:32:46 mircea_popescu: wao-ender did yo uever finish mayhem ?

00:32:51 moiety: mircea_popescu: in the sense that i can make anything work regardless of personal stance :) bingo's right and you guys allow me to derp around here for some sanity... amazingly

00:32:51 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

00:33:05 mircea_popescu: moiety just make sure you document well what you do

00:33:45 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo asciilifeform actually, a university (in the classical, functional and ideal sense, no relation to us/uk "college") is the prototype of the honest chumpatron

00:33:51 mircea_popescu: quite respectable, too.

00:34:25 asciilifeform: might be nice to see this one explained

00:34:46 moiety: document?

00:35:24 mircea_popescu: moiety yes, write down what you do. you're the only one doing most of it.

00:35:48 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ok, ever read villon ?

00:36:04 moiety: yeah, you're right, i really should.

00:37:31 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sadly, no, only here: http://www.ark.ru/ins/lyrics/a/molitva_okudzhava.html

00:37:52 wao-ender: dude, totally want one http://www.skyboximaging.com/products/access

00:37:59 mircea_popescu: you really should, it's quite excellent literature. unlike french cheese, this is passable, and why we tolerate them in europe.

00:38:31 mircea_popescu: but that aside, you familiar with the *medieval* notion that a healthy young boy should learn a trade, and only phtisic good for nothing losers go to university ?

00:38:37 asciilifeform: oh yes.

00:38:51 mircea_popescu: as immortalised say in the romanian saying, "logofete brinza-n cuiu, lapte acru-n calimari, chiu si vai prin buzunari"

00:38:58 mircea_popescu: ok, so going to the university has a cost.

00:39:06 mircea_popescu: yet people submitted to it.

00:39:08 mircea_popescu: willingly.

00:39:18 asciilifeform: not that different from monasticism

00:39:21 mircea_popescu: for the pleasure and enjoyment of... the company. OF OTHER LOSERS LIKE THEM

00:39:25 asciilifeform: (no prizes for guessing why)

00:39:35 mircea_popescu: what, pray tell, is a chumpatron ?

00:39:57 asciilifeform: i sorta tried to explain this in a post

00:40:10 mircea_popescu: i mean there's no requirement that the chump don't enjoy it

00:40:14 asciilifeform: correct

00:40:19 mircea_popescu: or that he regrets the ride after havin been taken for it

00:40:36 mircea_popescu: all that;s require\d is that he can never go back

00:40:36 asciilifeform: casino is an incontrovertible chumpatron

00:40:42 mircea_popescu: which is to say, an entalpic process

00:40:56 asciilifeform: hence 'fuel' analogy

00:41:01 mircea_popescu: indeed.

00:41:16 mircea_popescu: perhaps unobvious in the fuel analogy, because the inadvertent reader will think in terms of power

00:41:26 mircea_popescu: rather than in proper thermodynamics notions of reversibility

00:41:48 asciilifeform: thermodynamics notions of reversibility << this was the exact intended meaning.

00:42:04 mircea_popescu: so then we understand each other.

00:44:34 asciilifeform: i did specify that in a chumpatron, vs. an ordinary bioreactor, the fuel /wants/ to burn

00:44:36 ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, caught your Romanian sentence. Google Translate offers, "scribes cheese-n cuiu, sour milk-n inkwell, chiu and valleys pockets ""

00:44:46 ninjashogun: :/

00:45:16 wao-ender: wickeeed https://citizenlab.org/2014/02/hacking-teams-us-nexus/

00:45:21 mircea_popescu: logofat = youthful scribe used to take down dictation of his lord and sometimes a little cock.

00:45:35 mircea_popescu: basically, a congressional aide.

00:46:25 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what, and freshmen don't want to burn ?

00:46:31 asciilifeform: surely.

00:46:40 asciilifeform: uni is certainly a chumpatron.

00:46:44 asciilifeform: as is any army, etc

00:47:08 mircea_popescu: army perhaps not.

00:47:18 mircea_popescu: it actually pays out more than it takes in.

00:47:34 mircea_popescu: it used to be, sure. but now it's more like a welfare programme

00:47:38 asciilifeform: true, there are '+EV' armies

00:47:46 asciilifeform: depends on time/place

00:48:36 mircea_popescu: there used to be. herodotus or who observed that it seems ignoble and unworthy of a man to plow the field

00:48:45 mircea_popescu: when so much wealth can be acquired the proper way

00:49:23 mircea_popescu: meanwhile the us has spent more on syria than syria'd cost to buy, whole.

00:49:33 moiety: i don't see the site as a chumpatron, after listening. i just like to make things work is all

00:49:46 asciilifeform: for those who have not read classics, but like pulp sf, this is featured in 'thrones' - 'we do not sow (TM)'

00:50:28 mircea_popescu: moiety i think he was talking about doge

00:51:39 moiety: oh, i hope so. i know he is allergic

00:52:37 mircea_popescu: "magine a large corporate machine mobilized to get you to buy something you don't need at a tremendously inflated cost, complete with advertising, marketing, and branding that says you're not hip if you don't have one, but when you get one you discover it's of poor quality and obsolete in ten months. That's a BA.

00:52:37 mircea_popescu: When we see a welfare mom we assume she can't find work, but when we see a hipster we become infuriated because we assume he doesn't want to work but could easily do so-- on account of the fact that he can speak well-- that he went to college. But now suddenly we're all shocked: to the economy, the English grad is just as superfluous as the disenfranchised welfare mom in the hood-- the college education is just as irr

00:52:37 mircea_popescu: elevant as the skin color. Not irrelevant for now, not irrelevant "until the economy improves"-- irrelevant forever. The economy doesn't care about intelligence, at all, it doesn't care what you know, merely what you can produce for it. The only thing the English grad is "qualified" for in this economy is the very things s/he is already doing: coffeehouse agitator, Trader Joe's associate, Apple customer... and spouse

00:52:42 mircea_popescu: of a capitalist."

00:52:44 mircea_popescu: this is absurdly generous.

00:52:52 mircea_popescu: slavegirl. not spouse.

00:52:58 mircea_popescu: you don't marry english grads.

00:55:54 asciilifeform: where was this

00:56:19 mircea_popescu: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2012/11/hipsters_on_food_stamps.html

00:56:20 ozbot: The Last Psychiatrist: Hipsters On Food Stamps, Part 1

00:56:25 asciilifeform: aha

00:56:38 mircea_popescu: the guy has some very specific sexual hangups. it's all centered on rape, can't see violence, can't see submission, he's impacted.

00:56:40 asciilifeform: Butugychag.

00:56:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10152 @ 0.00082729 = 8.3986 BTC [+] {2}

00:56:57 KRS-One: mircea_popescu I hated Java too, but then once I fully understood it, I was shocked by what it can do and how it works.

00:57:26 mircea_popescu: KRS-One i know people who have to maintain it that are shocked on a weekly basis by both what it can do and how it works.

00:57:38 asciilifeform: lol

00:57:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5169 @ 0.00082392 = 4.2588 BTC [-]

00:58:02 ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, did you develop the first version of your site yourself? (by hand)

00:58:06 KRS-One: I always thought it was slow, but that isn't really the case. If it runs slow its because someone didn't know what they are doing.

00:58:12 mircea_popescu: i don't code, really.

00:58:29 mircea_popescu: KRS-One i always thought it's insecure, and insecurable

00:58:51 mircea_popescu: many things are not. basic, for instance, is eminently secure.

00:58:53 KRS-One: tbh i dont know much about securing java..that could be.

00:58:59 ninjashogun: so how did you produce the first version of your site? (the very first version, demosntration)

00:59:03 ninjashogun: demonstration*

00:59:10 KRS-One: afaik it could have the same security as a c program running in memory.

00:59:24 mircea_popescu: ninjashogun i just did what i always do, told people what to do.

00:59:34 ninjashogun: oh, okay

00:59:47 mircea_popescu: i'm one of those.

00:59:47 ninjashogun: I thought you did understand code quite well though

00:59:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.00574998 = 0.115 BTC [+]

01:00:15 mircea_popescu: well, that i don't. however, i do understand quite well when i don't understand something.

01:00:22 mircea_popescu: turns out this is actually much more useful.

01:02:30 ninjashogun: yes

01:02:43 ninjashogun: What busienss were you in before this site?

01:02:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00082759 = 7.7793 BTC [+]

01:03:21 mircea_popescu: you know... it's not a site.

01:03:35 ninjashogun: company then

01:05:10 mircea_popescu: http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2014/01/openbsd/

01:05:13 ozbot: Bitcoin Baron Keeps a Secretive Open Source OS Alive | Wired Enterprise | Wired.com

01:05:18 mircea_popescu: there, klint has the scoop

01:05:36 ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, mind if I call you Baron from now on

01:05:50 asciilifeform: interesting that, afaik, not one one those pieces breathed a word about why openbsd

01:06:04 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how would they know.

01:06:11 asciilifeform: could, well... ask someone.

01:06:23 mircea_popescu: when i do hidden in plain sight, it's hidden. when the usg tries it, it's snowdened.

01:06:26 kakobrekla: http://i.imgur.com/zPtT2.jpg

01:06:26 mircea_popescu: game of power.

01:06:53 benkay`: klint's a rad dude

01:06:58 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla now write a pow based on that

01:07:01 mircea_popescu: kakokoin

01:07:05 benkay`: your name came up over beers last night, mircea_popescu

01:07:07 kakobrekla: lol

01:07:20 mircea_popescu: benkay` mpilf ?

01:07:48 ninjashogun: your name also came up in private chat with BingoBoingo oh about half an hour ago

01:07:50 benkay`: can't imagine that means what the top suggestion from my suggestion machine suggests it means

01:07:51 moiety: that made me dizzy kakobrekla

01:08:01 kakobrekla: free drugs.

01:08:14 benkay`: well klint wanted to know what the deal with this crazy romanian was

01:08:18 benkay`: i said get on irc and say hi

01:08:31 benkay`: ('crazy romanian' are my words)

01:08:49 kakobrekla: (he used 'fucked in the head')

01:08:59 kakobrekla: :D

01:09:19 mircea_popescu: hey guise, you really think i'm... eh nevermind

01:09:24 kakobrekla: lmao

01:09:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 34 @ 0.58046764 = 19.7359 BTC [-] {7}

01:10:18 ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, my opinion of you changed a lot when I saw what you built by the way.

01:10:27 ninjashogun: you did strike me a kind of crazy but now fuck it.

01:10:36 ninjashogun: Not just due to the valuation either.

01:10:47 ninjashogun: more due to the fact that you have any investors at all lol

01:10:51 Jere_Jones: mircea_popescu Why openbsd?

01:10:52 mircea_popescu: hopefully not many more people find out

01:10:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16950 @ 0.00082409 = 13.9683 BTC [-] {2}

01:10:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.575475 = 2.3019 BTC [-] {4}

01:11:25 mircea_popescu: Jere_Jones cause it keeps the nsa busy while we fuck it raw.

01:11:43 benkay`: mircea_popescu "not in the head!"

01:11:52 mircea_popescu: no, i guess not in the head.

01:11:57 kakobrekla: :D

01:12:23 moiety: careful kakobrekla , soon i'll be needing bigger and more dizzying imgurs for a bigger hit

01:12:39 kakobrekla: lol moiety , those are not free!

01:12:59 mircea_popescu: imgur pimpin

01:13:15 *: moiety goes to sell her tv

01:13:27 kakobrekla: but you need the tv for it to project the drugs

01:13:34 kakobrekla: jeez.

01:13:37 moiety: omg what am i thinking

01:13:46 moiety: sorry im too wasted fromthe last imgur

01:14:00 kakobrekla: you should be fine in an hour.

01:14:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00082759 = 4.3035 BTC [+]

01:14:23 moiety: lolol

01:18:52 decimation: ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, mind if I call you Baron from now on << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2014#509819

01:20:34 decimation: asciilifeform I quite enjoy your translations of Herr Tepes

01:20:49 asciilifeform: there's a better one somewhere

01:21:37 mircea_popescu: ya but it's probably not in the wot.

01:21:52 ninjashogun: decimation, why did you quote that?

01:21:54 decimation: the one with the two monks well delinates orthodox Christianity from rapid puritanism

01:22:04 decimation: I thought that there was a parallel there

01:22:27 decimation: one who acknowledges authority but does not acknowledge its wisdom

01:22:35 ninjashogun: so I didn't realize how much money is sloshing around the bitcoin ecosystem. Question: do you think with WoT this ecosystem (e.g. this channel, etc) could substitute for the actual VC market completely?

01:22:57 ninjashogun: e.g. rather than raise $250K via an angel investor, or $4M in a Series A, that both of these could be done 100% via the bitcoin ecosystem?

01:23:00 ninjashogun: including IRC here?

01:23:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7233 @ 0.0008279 = 5.9882 BTC [+] {2}

01:24:43 mircea_popescu: it already does substitute for it completely.

01:24:51 copumpkin: anyone want to start a petition to mircea_popescu to get the word popescuity added back to mpex official messages?

01:24:53 mircea_popescu: just, the vc circus hasn't yet found out, because we don't finance the circus.

01:25:07 decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-12-2013#427602

01:25:10 ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log

01:25:36 mircea_popescu: decimation is like the lord of the quotes tonight

01:26:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.00082549 = 11.0616 BTC [-] {2}

01:26:40 decimation: I find that after reading an -assets log my mind returns to the original ideas contained therein

01:27:04 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2013/mind-your-step/ too

01:27:05 ozbot: Mind your step. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

01:27:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 6 @ 0.11069871 = 0.6642 BTC [+] {2}

01:28:04 ThickAsThieves: The Washington DC City Council voted today to significantly ease marijuana laws in the district. By a near unanimous vote, the council ruled that possession and private consumption of the drug in small amounts would be decriminalized.

01:28:05 mircea_popescu: decimation eventually someone will write the grand book of everything, just distil all the 500k lines here into a castle of words.

01:28:13 ThickAsThieves: $25 fine now

01:28:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.11069871 = 0.4428 BTC [+]

01:28:17 mircea_popescu: wow

01:28:23 mircea_popescu: they are going to lose fucking control of that place.

01:29:08 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'legalization' thing is a sham. it's quite like, if drinking a cup of coffee were punished with $25 fine, but anyone found with a sack of coffee beans were impaled

01:30:10 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the problem is this : they have 6-7-8 mn people packed like sardines in there, like 5k/km2

01:30:17 mircea_popescu: easements like this are very fucking dangerous

01:30:35 mircea_popescu: as per tocqueville's observation, it's not opressed peasants like the german serfs that rebel

01:30:37 asciilifeform: the sardines are already doped to the gills

01:30:55 mircea_popescu: it's relatively easy living french peasants that get an easement, which suddenly makes all restraints unbearable

01:31:04 asciilifeform: ahahaha

01:31:07 asciilifeform: yes

01:31:20 mircea_popescu: so... another couple of these, they're going to end up with hostage senate.

01:32:35 decimation: now that colorado has 'decriminalized' the other states are going to race to the bottom

01:32:38 asciilifeform: the bastards know this, and so all the easements are sham

01:33:09 mircea_popescu: if there's going to be a soyuz of the soviets organised within our lifetimes over there i'll possibly not be able to carry on for laughter

01:33:16 asciilifeform: all this is is an attempt to tax an already plentiful and omnipresent supply of mj

01:33:18 ThickAsThieves: seems harmless to them, whatre a buncha potheads gonna do

01:33:20 decimation: actually the current state of affairs is perfect for the bureaucracy: no one knows what is actually legal, and everyone is probably an outlaw

01:33:34 ThickAsThieves: but potheads also love bitcoin

01:33:40 mircea_popescu: decimation this only seems perfect. it's in fact disastrous.

01:33:54 mircea_popescu: like you know, the state of being locked into the cake freezer seems ideal to the 9yo

01:33:56 mircea_popescu: till the air runs out

01:33:57 ThickAsThieves: <decimation> actually the current state of affairs is perfect for the bureaucracy: no one knows what is actually legal, and everyone is probably an outlaw /// too true

01:34:23 ThickAsThieves: how the fuck *is* someone supposed to be responsible to know what is legal when the line is nothing but blur

01:34:40 mircea_popescu: just buy a judge

01:34:45 mircea_popescu: what was the expression, "roof" ?

01:35:01 ThickAsThieves: the roof is back, carry on

01:35:07 decimation: "trustfullness" is what civilization is built upon

01:35:23 decimation: once everyone assumes that everything is a scam or chumpatron, it's going to be hard to get anything done

01:35:32 ThickAsThieves: like now?

01:35:44 asciilifeform: decimation: not much risk of this

01:36:14 ThickAsThieves: except right now everyone thinks all the scams are truths and truths are scams

01:36:23 ThickAsThieves: it's painful

01:36:37 mircea_popescu: the book of doom after tat

01:37:10 ThickAsThieves: ?

01:37:54 ThickAsThieves: i think about how even the concept of getting pulled over while driving is usually absurd

01:38:10 mircea_popescu: "and then i saw a great vision of everyone's head being screwed in backwards

01:38:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00083001 = 3.071 BTC [+]

01:38:28 mircea_popescu: and the clowds did billow smoke"

01:38:39 ThickAsThieves: 5 miles of a speed limit is okay, 10, no way, but it's all just offending a street sign, not necessarily even endangering anyone

01:38:57 decimation: http://www.academic-capital.net/2013/12/trust-of-each-other-is-declining.html

01:38:57 ozbot: Academic-Capital: Trust of Each Other is Declining According to a General Social Survey

01:39:15 decimation: "A poll by the General Social Survey indicates that about 1/3 of Americans trust each other. This is a big step downward from a 1972 survey that indicated that about ? of Americans trust each other. Around 2/3rds say that ?you can?t be too careful? dealing with others. "

01:39:22 ThickAsThieves: there's a stretch of highway about 2 miles long in FL, where the limit changes 16 times

01:39:23 ThickAsThieves: wtf

01:39:35 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves well, that reasoning doesn't work in a town (because if you go fast enough whether you run into someone or not becomes a matter of luck), but it does make sense of highways

01:39:43 mircea_popescu: which is why sane people (ie, germans) don't have upper limits,

01:39:45 mircea_popescu: they have lower limits

01:40:20 decimation: the speed people actually travel on a road has to do with its design, not the arbitrary (often retarded) regulatory limits

01:40:53 asciilifeform: in the u.s. speed limits are a bizarrely labour-intensive kind of tax.

01:41:04 ThickAsThieves: agreed, and i think an officer should be human enough to interpret whether someone is actually endangering a situation, over filling a quota for tickets

01:41:25 decimation: officer is in the bureaucrat chumpatron

01:41:32 asciilifeform: alternative is the russian (and most of the world) system, where you can pay him to go away

01:41:32 ThickAsThieves: (no i was not pulled over anytime recently)

01:42:02 ThickAsThieves: my wife thinks a drive too slow, except when i don't see nonsensical speed signs

01:42:16 ThickAsThieves: i*

01:42:46 mircea_popescu: i remember a time when officer was a superlative menschkeit thing

01:42:56 ThickAsThieves: i think he rides every car''s ass, but generally is a better driver

01:42:58 mircea_popescu: finding an asshole officer was like finding a virgin in paris

01:43:00 ThickAsThieves: she

01:44:03 ThickAsThieves: "You are free to choose to participate in the poll or not. Nobody is begging you for your money and I wish we could avoid asking for anyone's money at all to avoid dealing with investors such as yourself. Hopefully if we succeed in listing IPO we will not have you on our investor's list."

01:44:27 ThickAsThieves: guffaw! scammers!

01:44:31 decimation: an actual police force would allocate actual discretion to its officers; chumpatron police have no authority and therefore treat others as the spoiled children they are

01:46:20 mircea_popescu: decimation explai nhow this actual police force works.

01:46:37 asciilifeform: rome -> 'auctoritas', rus. -> 'авторитет', english -> ??????

01:46:41 mircea_popescu: suppose you're advising me as emperor of jormania in the making of my imperial police force.

01:46:49 asciilifeform: because it sure as fuck ain't 'authority'

01:46:55 asciilifeform: what's the word - anyone?

01:46:58 mircea_popescu: automobile

01:47:04 decimation: the master hires a policeman, the policeman acts on the authority of the master

01:47:15 mircea_popescu: well say the population is 1mn.

01:47:19 mircea_popescu: i hire one policeman ?

01:47:25 decimation: if the policeman acts responisbly, he is rewarded, otherwise, punished

01:47:29 ninjashogun: good night

01:47:33 mircea_popescu: wait wait.

01:47:36 mircea_popescu: how do i hire him ?

01:47:48 decimation: certainly not from a 'police academy'

01:47:49 asciilifeform: the policeman acts on the authority of the master << that's 'potentas' not 'auctoritas' !

01:48:00 mircea_popescu: potestas ?

01:48:27 asciilifeform: ah yea

01:48:46 BingoBoingo: I imagine for a proper police force for Jormania, you would at least need two castes working for you. Police Officers and then the lowly police man.

01:48:58 mircea_popescu: well, how do i get these then ?

01:49:18 BingoBoingo: For the police officer you search for people who can maintain their own harem.

01:49:20 decimation: I guess the traditional method is from the children of the local nobles

01:49:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21350 @ 0.00082379 = 17.5879 BTC [-] {3}

01:49:39 mircea_popescu: so then suppose one day a police officer's daughter falls in love with a lowly police grunt.

01:49:44 BingoBoingo: For the policeman you take the local schlubs and have the officers discipline them

01:49:48 mircea_popescu: because - horrible dictu - he reminds her a lot of her father.

01:50:13 BingoBoingo: I imagine in that case the officer get dismissed

01:50:22 mircea_popescu: you may not readily appreciate the immensity of this problem.

01:50:23 BingoBoingo: Loses their commision

01:50:23 ThickAsThieves: how about you have simple laws that simple men can enforce

01:50:41 ThickAsThieves: anything too complicated to be enforced cannot be law

01:50:41 mircea_popescu: if the slut is allowed free rein, you have just destroyed the separation.

01:50:50 mircea_popescu: if the slut is not allowed free reign, civil war is unavoidable.

01:51:07 BingoBoingo: The slut's free reign comes at cost to the father.

01:51:07 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves so what do you do when you're invaded by a society which is more complicated ? pray ?

01:51:18 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo father is dead.

01:51:24 mircea_popescu: he doesn't carry weight in this discussion

01:51:26 ThickAsThieves: not sure what you mean

01:51:34 ThickAsThieves: if yer invaded you fight

01:51:35 ThickAsThieves: if you lose

01:51:37 ThickAsThieves: new rules

01:51:43 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i mean this : that your approach imposes a limit on the complexity of relationships in your society

01:51:50 mircea_popescu: which in turn limits overal complexity in your system

01:51:56 ThickAsThieves: the limit is reality

01:51:59 mircea_popescu: a more complex system could be conceived, and even if it'd work "worse

01:52:04 ThickAsThieves: if it cant be enforced

01:52:05 mircea_popescu: itd still fuck you i nthe field.

01:52:06 ThickAsThieves: how can it be law

01:52:11 mircea_popescu: as it is now.

01:52:26 ThickAsThieves: the curation is in the lawmaking

01:52:34 mircea_popescu: somalia has very simple laws.

01:52:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 31 @ 0.00483292 = 0.1498 BTC [+] {3}

01:52:41 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Grunt has to challenge an officer's fitness and take their place http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/KlingonPromotion

01:52:51 asciilifeform: Obligatory:

01:52:52 asciilifeform: http://faculty.msb.edu/hasnasj/GTWebSite/MythWeb.htm

01:52:54 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo perhaps. what if he doesn't ?

01:53:01 ThickAsThieves: i'm thinking out loud here, neve rput much thought into this topic

01:53:08 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Death by exile?

01:53:16 ThickAsThieves: other than to observe when law goes absurd

01:53:16 mircea_popescu: civil war.

01:53:52 ThickAsThieves: like a hippocratic oath

01:54:02 ThickAsThieves: an officer's job is to help

01:54:05 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you resolve nothing with this bandaid.

01:54:12 ThickAsThieves: if they are helping no one

01:54:14 mircea_popescu: the tension is still there, you merely force people into hypocrisy

01:54:17 mircea_popescu: sooner or later it will blow

01:54:21 ThickAsThieves: why iis the law beig enforced

01:54:38 ThickAsThieves: like a highway stop for 10mph too fast

01:54:55 mircea_popescu: the guy can't evaluate if you were in fact harming no-one

01:55:02 mircea_popescu: that's why he has the law : to not have to do qm

01:55:11 ThickAsThieves: can he evaluate that i was?

01:55:18 mircea_popescu: that you WEREN'T

01:55:20 mircea_popescu: that's your verb

01:55:21 ThickAsThieves: hehe

01:55:25 ThickAsThieves: wasnt

01:55:29 mircea_popescu: well ya

01:56:10 decimation: mircea, you would give the Devil the benefit of law?

01:56:15 ThickAsThieves: so basically you can't win

01:56:18 mircea_popescu: depends.

01:56:31 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves not for your definition of "Win" i'm affraid.

01:56:57 ThickAsThieves: i guess the core of this, is i just want everyone to be more intelligent and logical

01:57:03 mircea_popescu: glwt

01:57:05 ThickAsThieves: it'd echo thru all things

01:57:06 mircea_popescu: i want all chicks to be taller.

01:57:29 ThickAsThieves: i can accept harmony isnt possible

01:57:38 ThickAsThieves: but we can certainly do better

01:57:40 mircea_popescu: it's not a matter of harmony

01:57:48 mircea_popescu: it's a matter of "let everything be better"

01:57:53 mircea_popescu: well... fuck. why didn't i thinl of that.

01:59:39 ThickAsThieves: to play devil's advocate though, i often contemplate the flipside. As in, usually I feel like my environment is too dumb, but pardon my candor, but would living in a world of #b-a people actually be enjoyable?

02:00:04 decimation: why is your joy their problem?

02:00:11 ThickAsThieves: see what i mean

02:00:21 ThickAsThieves: ;)

02:00:34 decimation: hehe

02:00:49 asciilifeform: ok time for musical interlude.

02:01:01 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i came to romania after all.

02:01:11 mircea_popescu: "So start with an interesting hypothetical: does everybody need to work anymore? I understand work from an ethical/character perspective, this is not here my point. Since we no longer need e.g. manufacturing jobs-- cheaper elsewhere or with robots-- since those labor costs have evaporated, could that surplus go towards paying people simply to stay out of trouble? Is there a natural economic equilibrium price where,

02:01:11 mircea_popescu: say, a U Chicago grad can do no economically productive work at all but still be paid to use Instagram? Let me be explicit: my question is not should we do this, my question is that since this is precisely what's happening already, is it sustainable? What is the cost? I don't have to run the numbers, someone already has: it's $150/mo for a college grads, i.e. the price of food stamps. Other correct responses would

02:01:12 mircea_popescu: be $700/mo for "some high school" (SSI) or $1500/mo for "previous work experience" (unemployment). I would have accepted $2000/mo for "minorities" (jail) for partial credit."

02:01:12 asciilifeform: russian fellow by the name of D. Starostin did 5 yrs. in a new york prison for attempted murder

02:01:15 asciilifeform: wrote a book.

02:01:37 asciilifeform: 'amer. gulag, 5 yrs on the starred-and-striped cot'

02:01:46 asciilifeform: had a spiffy quote in there

02:01:49 mircea_popescu: not the magnetohydrodynamics guy ?

02:01:50 mircea_popescu: aok

02:01:55 asciilifeform: 'Американец не считает, что человек в форме — бандит, с которым нужно договариваться. Он считает, что это робот, которого нужно бояться. Американские правоохранительные органы способны, искусно нажимая на клавиши многочисленн

02:01:55 asciilifeform: ых законов и предписаний, «оформить» самый незначительный проступок как чудовищное деяние. Фэбээровцам не нужно было избивать Монику Левински или подбрасывать ей в сумочку патроны и героин. Дача ложных показаний — преступле

02:01:57 asciilifeform: ние, воспринимаемое в России как мелочь, — в Соединенных Штатах действительно способна повлечь за собой 26 лет тюрьмы. Тот факт, что речь, по сути дела, шла о молодой девушке, не желавшей признать свою любовную связь с женатым му

02:02:02 asciilifeform: жчиной, в США никого бы не волновал. Принцип машины означает: сделал — получи. Машина неумолима и неподкупна.'

02:02:05 asciilifeform: translation roughly below:

02:02:33 ThickAsThieves: moving to Romania falling on which side of things mp?

02:02:58 ThickAsThieves: people who do whatever the fuck makes sense to them?

02:03:04 ThickAsThieves: i'm not too familiar with the people

02:03:07 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves no, just, tards.

02:03:12 ThickAsThieves: ah

02:04:01 ThickAsThieves: "I just called Mt Gox asking for my bitcoins..here the recording"

02:04:26 ThickAsThieves: http://www.mtsushi.com/

02:04:26 ozbot: MtSushi

02:05:11 asciilifeform: 'american does not believe the man in the uniform to be a bandit, with whom one can come to an understanding. he believes him to be a robot, who must be feared. american law enforcers are able to, by pressing on the keyboard of a multitude of laws and regulations, 'transmute' the most insignificant peccadillo into a monstrous deed. FBI did not need to beat up Monica or toss into her purse heroin or ammunition.

02:05:11 asciilifeform: The giving of false testimony - a crime, seen in Russia as small change - in the U.S. can lead to 26 years of prison. The fact that, in essence, the matter concerned a young girl who did not wish to admit her love affair with a married man, interests no one in the U.S. The principle of the machine is: do it [the crime] - receive. [consequences] the machine is merciless and incorruptible.'

02:05:28 ThickAsThieves: "i cant say anything more than on the website"

02:05:41 asciilifeform: (http://flibusta.net/b/247422/read for the linguistically non-challenged)

02:05:59 asciilifeform: lovely illustrations, for those who are.

02:06:40 mircea_popescu: honestly i don't see it.

02:06:50 mircea_popescu: i mean, this is oft repeated as a representation of fact,

02:07:01 mircea_popescu: but irl i know of no system more corrupt than reagan's us

02:07:09 mircea_popescu: except of course each subsequent one.

02:07:12 asciilifeform: it's arranged a bit differently.

02:07:18 asciilifeform: you have to buy them in bulk.

02:07:28 mircea_popescu: but you have acces to unlimited credit.

02:07:48 asciilifeform: which is why there isn't really a market

02:07:52 asciilifeform: in the usual sense

02:07:56 mircea_popescu: so then...

02:08:01 ThickAsThieves: i think some people don;t realize corruption has a broader definition than "paid off"

02:08:04 asciilifeform: more like a soviet nomenklatura's grocery store

02:08:20 mircea_popescu: basically the guy spent five years on his cot trying to avoid the realisation that he was a fucking idiot

02:08:30 mircea_popescu: you don't pee on the mains, you plug stuff in.

02:08:54 asciilifeform: nope. chronicle details the fact dawning on him.

02:09:04 mircea_popescu: a so good then

02:09:22 asciilifeform: quoted tidbit was about the futility of simply offering a cop benjamins on the spot to send him off

02:09:26 Duffer1: just searched the church in stick of truth

02:09:36 Duffer1: found 'boy sized leash'

02:09:39 decimation: as you wrote ascii, the chumps grind and chirp as they go through the machine

02:10:20 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the same woman that got punished for failing to admit her sluttery

02:10:34 mircea_popescu: is also legally protected should she wish to go topless parading by the barracks

02:11:23 ThickAsThieves: burn your bra, but don't touch that flag

02:12:17 mircea_popescu: alternatively, "in briar patch, foot hurt ; in forest, head hurt" said the mongoloid.

02:12:29 mircea_popescu: perhaps it doesn't have as much to do with the environment as one'd think

02:12:49 ThickAsThieves: lol twitter is advertising a prospectus to me

02:13:01 moiety: i've been up for two days, im going to bed now, night all :)

02:13:07 ThickAsThieves: Fantex Brokerage Service

02:13:14 ThickAsThieves: nite

02:13:27 ThickAsThieves: Check out the Fantex Vernon Davis IPO on http://fntx.co/OGu8iV pic.twitter.com/eFSyHooy8a

02:13:34 ThickAsThieves: lol

02:14:20 mircea_popescu: i have no idea how fucktarded they have to be to advertise ipos on twitter.

02:14:46 mircea_popescu: i mean a) it clearly labels you as a scammer, as only they do it ; b) it can't possibly give roi, even as a scammer ; c) srsly.

02:15:11 ThickAsThieves: twitter is reduced to being on the ActiveMining board

02:15:22 decimation: maybe they can monetize retweets

02:20:39 ThickAsThieves: http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/03/04/285887838/teen-sues-parents-claiming-they-owe-her-money-for-college

02:20:40 ozbot: Teen Sues Parents, Claiming They Owe Her Money For College : The Two-Way : NPR

02:21:04 ThickAsThieves: Bogaard also "noted that Rachel Canning's behavior over the past year has been in question," reports CBS 2 TV: "one or two school suspensions, drinking, losing her captaincy on the cheerleading squad and being kicked out of the campus ministry."

02:21:23 asciilifeform: log.*assets has borked utf8!

02:21:24 asciilifeform: shame.

02:22:02 ThickAsThieves: i have a new slogan for kako's brand building

02:22:13 ThickAsThieves: Superservitude with an attitude.

02:22:26 mircea_popescu: caning eh ?

02:23:07 asciilifeform: doktor prescribes - gasenwagen.

02:24:11 mircea_popescu: nah

02:24:18 mircea_popescu: cheerleaders should be beaten not killed.

02:24:28 mircea_popescu: you can gas her mom if you absolutely must drakulize

02:28:38 kakobrekla: hrm that used to work.

02:29:50 kakobrekla: it never ends with this log, it ell you.

02:30:08 ThickAsThieves: "You a female; I'm a dude. I'm not learning nothing from you. I just want to see you. So whatever you're talking about, I probably don't really care. I wanna just look at you."

02:30:18 benkay`: curse of the web, kakobrekla

02:30:19 ThickAsThieves: re: why there are no female rappers

02:30:33 asciilifeform: http://scottlocklin.wordpress.com/2014/03/05/anatomy-of-a-fusion-press-release/

02:30:33 ozbot: Anatomy of a Fusion press release | Locklin on science

02:30:44 asciilifeform: 'A NIF whistleblower, Lee Scott Hall, was brutally stabbed to death in 1999. Hall was one of the NIF designers. I didn?t know him, but I know people who knew him. He definitely wasn?t into any shady business, and by all accounts was a straight shooter and a decent guy. This ? really looks like a man was stabbed to death for pointing out that NIF couldn?t work (or that the director didn?t have a Ph.D.)

02:30:44 asciilifeform: . Sure, nobody knows who killed him, but this is at least as shady as anything I?ve heard of happening in Russia. This sort of thing has happened quite a few times to whistleblowers at the Department of Energy.'

02:31:15 benkay`: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=497289.0;all

02:31:17 ozbot: Peter R's theory on the collapse of MtGox and its effect on the price of bitcoin

02:33:01 kakobrekla: Х х Ц ц Ч ч Ш ш Щ щ Ъ ъ Ы ы Ь ь Э э Ю ю Я я

02:33:16 mircea_popescu: " I didn?t know him, but I know people who knew him. He definitely wasn?t into any shady business" << dat fiat wot.

02:33:18 kakobrekla: hm

02:33:32 ThickAsThieves: You should answer "yes" to the whistleblower program question if you wish to avail yourself of these additional confidentiality protections, even if you are not interested in being eligible for a whistleblower award.

02:33:33 mircea_popescu: seriously ? who in his right mind can say this ?

02:33:39 mircea_popescu: then we wonder why locklin doesn't get bitcoin.

02:33:49 mircea_popescu: he doesn't want to. cause admitting how fucking stupid he is would burn.

02:34:04 ThickAsThieves: Please be aware that these additional confidentiality protections may in some cases limit or delay the SEC's ability to disclose your identity to certain other agencies, regulators or other third parties. For that reason, we suggest you check "no" if you are submitting your information in order to seek our assistance to resolve an issue

02:34:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00484373 = 0.9687 BTC [+] {5}

02:34:28 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: from an earlier interaction, i concluded that he gets it but is stuck in the place where you were in 2010 (?)

02:34:35 ThickAsThieves: In addition, if you do not wish to be considered for an award and you intend for us to coordinate with another government agency or regulator, checking "no" may help facilitate this process.

02:34:38 asciilifeform: that is, 'look at the flies, it must be a turd'

02:34:59 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but look at it. i used to think i can make such representations of people, until i was about 17 or so.

02:35:16 mircea_popescu: do you know anyone through others who you can vouch for as he does ?

02:35:23 asciilifeform: nope

02:35:28 mircea_popescu: well how can this be.

02:35:31 asciilifeform: NIF remains a boondoggle.

02:35:39 mircea_popescu: no argument

02:35:45 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves wut you on about spammor

02:35:53 ThickAsThieves: sry

02:36:02 ThickAsThieves: just thought it was funny

02:36:08 ThickAsThieves: from SEC's report a scam page

02:36:22 mircea_popescu: incredibly arrogant these schmucks

02:36:38 mircea_popescu: "o, we have a webpage". great. so does any 14 yo singer-songwriter.

02:36:38 asciilifeform: 'Two NIF whistleblowers who didn?t die, Les Mikosy and Luciana C. Messina, were ignored, then fired in 2003. They were involved in the code that was supposed to simulate the laser/plasma/X-ray interaction, and detected actual fraud in it. Not a peep from anyone about their assertions, which seem to have been proven true, or the lawsuit they filed against LLNL (it was dismissed; yay objective court system!).'

02:36:38 BingoBoingo: Inner workings of a chumpatron http://www.sbnation.com/2014/3/4/5468468/wwe-pro-wrestling-stories-creative

02:37:00 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how come nobody killed lucy c ?

02:37:23 asciilifeform: why kill when you can 'lower into bitchdom'

02:37:36 mircea_popescu: why didn't they make the straight shooter guy into a twink then

02:38:11 asciilifeform: idk, i wasn't there - but it was either tried to no result, or not attempted for good reason, i'd bet.

02:38:30 mircea_popescu: or perhaps the entire construction is orthogonal.

02:38:40 mircea_popescu: benkay` da fuck is peter r

02:39:30 mircea_popescu: jesus look at that, complete with coelho-esque quotes and the new yorker "narrative" devices.

02:39:45 mircea_popescu: why so many hipsters ?

02:40:05 asciilifeform: http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Livermore-Engineer-s-Mysterious-Death-3240466.php

02:40:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7250 @ 0.00082977 = 6.0158 BTC [+]

02:40:56 asciilifeform: my take (You Heard It Here First (tm) !)

02:41:02 asciilifeform: locklin is off the mark

02:41:13 asciilifeform: Hall was zapped because he grabbed the brass ring.

02:41:22 asciilifeform: and threatened to take it somewhere useful

02:41:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1970 @ 0.000183 = 0.3605 BTC [-]

02:41:33 asciilifeform: brass ring -> pure laser-initiated fusion

02:41:40 asciilifeform: (not necessarily of the controlled kind)

02:41:48 asciilifeform: thermonuke without fissiles

02:41:50 asciilifeform: holy grail.

02:41:51 mircea_popescu: maybe he got depressed over not finding any nailguns.

02:42:07 asciilifeform: pop one, instant glass parking lot, no fallout

02:42:18 asciilifeform: and no rare materials needed

02:42:20 benkay`: how should I know who peter r is - nobody's paying me for my research

02:42:20 asciilifeform: to build.

02:42:30 benkay`: "research" "swamp wading"

02:42:36 benkay`: "pig wrestling"

02:43:10 mircea_popescu: do you know the traditional first date romanian joke titled "taci si suge" (ie, shut it and suck it!) ?

02:43:23 mod6: haha

02:44:09 benkay`: sounds translation-worthy...

02:44:39 mircea_popescu: bad wolf busts into snow white's cavern, offers her a simple deal :

02:44:46 mircea_popescu: either she sucks him off or he eats her midgets.

02:44:57 mircea_popescu: snow white agrees to suck him off.

02:45:05 mircea_popescu: at some point wolf eats three midgets.

02:45:10 mircea_popescu: "but wolf! you said..."

02:45:15 mircea_popescu: shut it and suck it.

02:45:17 mircea_popescu: so she does.

02:45:27 mircea_popescu: and after a while... the wolf... eats another three midgets

02:45:31 mircea_popescu: "but!"

02:45:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.13311598 = 0.7987 BTC [-]

02:45:34 mircea_popescu: shut it and suck it!

02:45:44 mircea_popescu: and after yet another while, the wolf eats another three midgets

02:46:07 asciilifeform: underflow!

02:46:27 mircea_popescu: at which point the chick points out that there's only seven midgets and you point out that she shouldn't be making that kind of noise.

02:46:51 mod6: haha

02:46:59 mircea_popescu: bout 50-50.

02:47:01 kakobrekla: mircea_popescu do the dot test

02:47:13 mircea_popescu: brb gathering dots.

02:47:30 mircea_popescu: 8 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? D

02:47:31 asciilifeform: there is a related soviet joke. abramowitch (generic jew, not the oligarch) calls a friend who was over for dinner last night:

02:47:40 asciilifeform: 'we're short of a few silver spoons. shame on you';

02:47:46 asciilifeform: friend denies

02:48:01 asciilifeform: next day, A calls again 'we found the spoons. but the stain on your reputation... it remains.'

02:48:10 kakobrekla: ok dunno seems everything works again

02:48:13 kakobrekla: cept the dots.

02:48:23 mircea_popescu: lmao

02:48:47 mircea_popescu: see, locklin is no jew.

02:49:57 mircea_popescu: anyway. off to practice with the midgets. gl all.

02:50:01 kakobrekla: ah i see it now its fine, the long just shortened your dick.

02:50:02 asciilifeform: night night

02:50:05 kakobrekla: log*

02:50:08 kakobrekla: fuck

02:50:09 kakobrekla: bad typo

02:50:13 mircea_popescu: and remember : always be nice with all newcomers. they could be as retarded as historically was the case.

03:04:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.00479101 = 0.2635 BTC [-]

03:14:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.57390463 = 7.4608 BTC [-] {10}

03:15:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2987 @ 0.00082977 = 2.4785 BTC [+]

03:19:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.00464999 = 0.2557 BTC [-]

03:20:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @ 0.00083001 = 7.1381 BTC [+]

03:24:27 Duffer1: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=500633.msg5515929#msg5515929

03:24:29 ozbot: Leancy - Allegedly hacked by their host - Avoid deposits

03:25:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7150 @ 0.00082771 = 5.9181 BTC [-] {2}

03:29:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.0048 = 0.264 BTC [-]

03:32:20 Duffer1: Dr. Forehead ouch

03:32:42 BigBlx: yoooooooo

03:32:49 Duffer1: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=498302.0

03:32:50 ozbot: Eternal Bitcoin Bonds by Usagi

03:32:52 Duffer1: ni hao

03:33:08 kakobrekla: ·

03:33:15 BigBlx: did you guys resolve the aurora/litecoin bet?

03:33:32 kakobrekla: ·

03:33:46 Duffer1: brb i feel i may need some popcorn

03:33:54 kakobrekla: thats interesting.

03:34:04 kakobrekla: my dots work, mps dont.

03:34:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.00464999 = 0.2557 BTC [-]

03:34:36 Duffer1: how are you creating the dot?

03:35:28 kakobrekla: by pressing on the button :)

03:35:56 Duffer1: on my old keyboard alt0153 at a leisurely pace created ™ just fine, but on my new keyboard I have to type it ultra fast for some reason..

03:36:29 kakobrekla: anyway cyrillic should work nao asciilifeform

03:37:36 Duffer1: bigblx do you have a link for the bet you're talking about?

03:39:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.0048 = 0.264 BTC [+]

03:41:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 455 @ 0.00088995 = 0.4049 BTC [+] {2}

03:42:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 122 @ 0.00089 = 0.1086 BTC [+]

03:43:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14945 @ 0.00083001 = 12.4045 BTC [+]

03:45:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.00464999 = 0.2557 BTC [-]

03:50:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 81 @ 0.00479629 = 0.3885 BTC [+] {3}

03:52:16 ThickAsThieves:

03:54:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0896011 = 0.1792 BTC [-]

03:54:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.13311598 = 0.2662 BTC [-]

03:56:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00457008 = 0.1828 BTC [-] {2}

04:00:28 BingoBoingo: #DangerZone

04:20:35 kakobrekla: ah

04:20:52 kakobrekla: he is talking about THE current bet Duffer1

04:21:14 kakobrekla: which is simultaneously most fucked up bet evah.

04:21:33 Duffer1: the alt coin market cap bet?

04:21:37 kakobrekla: mhm

04:22:08 Duffer1: ya i figured

04:40:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21283 @ 0.00083021 = 17.6694 BTC [+] {2}

04:53:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00082693 = 9.8405 BTC [-] {2}

04:59:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00083033 = 5.6462 BTC [+]

05:06:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 100 @ 0.00576359 = 0.5764 BTC [-] {7}

05:08:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.07699998 = 0.616 BTC [+] {3}

05:09:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4406 @ 0.00082589 = 3.6389 BTC [-] {2}

05:14:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00083033 = 7.473 BTC [+]

05:24:27 BingoBoingo: http://www.twincities.com/business/ci_25037984/dont-panic-but-that-public-wi-fi-is

05:24:27 ozbot: Don't panic, but that public Wi-Fi is coming from ... inside your house - TwinCities.com

05:28:06 mod6: ``im fine with it'' << lol derp

05:31:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00082764 = 5.0486 BTC [-]

05:35:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59990997 BTC [+]

05:36:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59990989 BTC [-]

05:49:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.0008256 = 8.5862 BTC [-]

06:10:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 6 @ 0.03239999 = 0.1944 BTC [-] {3}

06:11:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 6 @ 0.03239999 = 0.1944 BTC [-] {2}

06:12:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11550 @ 0.000825 = 9.5288 BTC [-] {3}

06:12:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 4 @ 0.03239999 = 0.1296 BTC [-] {2}

06:13:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 4 @ 0.03239999 = 0.1296 BTC [-] {2}

06:14:01 pennies: ;-;

06:14:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 5 @ 0.03299999 = 0.165 BTC [+]

06:23:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.589 BTC [-]

06:25:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 998 @ 0.00082764 = 0.826 BTC [+]

06:27:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.57003008 BTC [-]

06:32:42 MisterE: dammit losing money

06:36:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 996 @ 0.00018 = 0.1793 BTC [-]

06:38:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 198 @ 0.00479999 = 0.9504 BTC [+] {2}

06:41:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6318 @ 0.00083033 = 5.246 BTC [+]

06:43:41 BingoBoingo: MisterE: In what?

06:43:52 MisterE: fucking nmc

06:43:57 MisterE: had no business in there

06:44:12 MisterE: got greedyyesterday

06:44:29 MisterE: I'm still in the black but...

06:45:17 BingoBoingo: MisterE: Has NMC had any momentum after 2011?

06:45:30 MisterE: Blockchain's news was disappointing

06:45:38 MisterE: yea it did yesterday

06:45:38 BingoBoingo: What news?

06:45:47 MisterE: they are an exchange now

06:45:53 BingoBoingo: Orly?

06:45:58 MisterE: annouced and pre-hyped on bloomberg

06:45:59 MisterE: yea

06:46:07 BingoBoingo: Linx plox?

06:46:11 MisterE: so market shat after that dud

06:46:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00082758 = 11.1723 BTC [-] {2}

06:46:39 BingoBoingo: benkay

06:46:45 MisterE: dunno wtf people were expecting... Magic The Gathering cards for everyone who had BTC in Gox...

06:46:53 BingoBoingo: ;;eauth BingoBoingo

06:46:54 gribble: Request successful for user BingoBoingo, hostmask BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/309BB8D7F3251143

06:47:20 MisterE: ;;eauth MisterE

06:47:20 gribble: Request successful for user MisterE, hostmask MisterE!~MisterE@unaffiliated/mistere. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/C97817F2EE7504A3

06:47:29 BingoBoingo: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:6708d41118170ae49785e8fc104616a172d609f0329a1f092a0271aa

06:47:30 gribble: You are now authenticated for user BingoBoingo with key 309BB8D7F3251143

06:47:46 BingoBoingo: MisterE: Do you want to try something riskier?

06:47:51 MisterE: lol

06:48:16 MisterE: I didnt say no

06:48:20 MisterE: :p

06:48:29 BingoBoingo: MisterE: Actual returns might be possible.

06:49:59 theviper: Bro., DO you even trade?

06:50:25 BingoBoingo: MisterE: If we can figure out how to make something like http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2014#546112 honest

06:51:00 MisterE: like day trade?

06:51:04 MisterE: not usually

06:51:22 MisterE: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:1bd83fecf4cf9084af386187aa25a12b17cd81f5462d260bd259082e

06:51:23 gribble: You are now authenticated for user MisterE with key C97817F2EE7504A3

06:52:06 BingoBoingo: MisterE: Like staking sports betting, Similar to how poker is staked. The challenge is doing it in a way that the staked party can't fake the results into an honest looking loss.

06:52:27 BingoBoingo: And finding venues to bet on.

06:52:37 MisterE: what BTC really needs is a derivatives market

06:52:56 MisterE: sounds like a major security hassle tbh

06:53:15 MisterE: but I'll read the log give me a few

06:53:18 MisterE: ll :p

06:53:21 BingoBoingo: MisterE: No hassles so much as challenges

06:55:58 BingoBoingo: The challenge in BTC right now is that the only instrument which has really sustained honest loses is the MPOE bond

07:02:33 BingoBoingo: That example I linked in the logs is poorly structured, and in sports betting the actual likely best case is a 30%loss.

07:02:40 BingoBoingo: Poor opportunity.

07:04:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 239 @ 0.0048 = 1.1472 BTC [+]

07:06:00 BingoBoingo: ;;rate artifexd_ 1 ATC trade

07:06:01 gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.

07:06:15 BingoBoingo: ;;rate artifexd 1 atc trade

07:06:16 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user artifexd has been recorded.

07:09:07 BingoBoingo: ;;rate mircea_popescu 6 Rating upgraded for continued excellence in Bitcoin ventures

07:09:09 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user mircea_popescu has changed from 3 to 6.

07:09:53 BingoBoingo: ;;rate benkay 2 Good at things he does

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07:11:01 BingoBoingo: ;;rate ThickAsThieves 1 The Real Altcoin's Mother

07:11:02 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user ThickAsThieves has been recorded.

07:14:48 BingoBoingo: ;;rate kakobrekla 5 Superest Superservant

07:14:49 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user kakobrekla has changed from 2 to 5.

07:16:21 BingoBoingo: ;;rate paraipan 0

07:16:22 gribble: Error: Rating must be in the interval [-10, 10] and cannot be zero.

07:16:31 BingoBoingo: ;;unrate paraipan

07:16:32 gribble: Successfully removed your rating for paraipan.

07:16:47 BingoBoingo: ;;unrate thebutterzone

07:16:48 gribble: Successfully removed your rating for thebutterzone.

07:19:02 BingoBoingo: ;;rate thebutterzone 1 sells things

07:19:03 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user thebutterzone has been recorded.

07:20:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 61 @ 0.00463034 = 0.2825 BTC [-] {2}

07:20:58 dub: ;;rate BingoBoingo -1 suspected spammer

07:20:59 gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.

07:23:12 BingoBoingo: lol

07:29:23 BingoBoingo: ;;rate dub 1 Not stinky

07:29:24 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user dub has been recorded.

07:44:08 *: jurov smells BigoBoingo

07:44:32 jurov: aww... booze

07:44:34 BingoBoingo: jurov: I dun smell too good right nao

07:46:08 BingoBoingo: I drank vodka and ate a half wheel of Maytag Blue cheese.

07:46:47 BingoBoingo: Imma be lucky if my farts don't kill me before I wake up tomorrow afternoon

07:47:54 jurov: don't fart near open fire

07:48:22 BingoBoingo: I'll try not to

07:50:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.00083029 = 4.7327 BTC [+]

07:51:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.00083052 = 5.4814 BTC [+] {2}

08:07:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 119 @ 0.00463034 = 0.551 BTC [-]

08:15:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9950 @ 0.0008302 = 8.2605 BTC [-] {2}

08:22:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2060 @ 0.00083007 = 1.7099 BTC [-] {2}

08:23:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4840 @ 0.00082811 = 4.0081 BTC [-]

08:35:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4150 @ 0.00082808 = 3.4365 BTC [-] {2}

08:47:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.00082747 = 8.5229 BTC [-] {2}

08:53:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3293 @ 0.0008266 = 2.722 BTC [-]

08:53:57 adrrrr: #bitcoin Cannot join channel (+i) - you must be invited

09:01:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0429998 = 0.258 BTC [-] {2}

09:11:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2360 @ 0.00082648 = 1.9505 BTC [-]

09:33:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 77 @ 0.00479975 = 0.3696 BTC [+]

09:41:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 65 @ 0.0055 = 0.3575 BTC

09:52:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 106 @ 0.0047 = 0.4982 BTC [-] {2}

09:53:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 300 @ 0.0008948 = 0.2684 BTC [+]

09:54:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.0008306 = 4.7344 BTC [+]

09:56:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.59449498 = 1.189 BTC [+] {2}

09:57:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59498997 BTC [+]

10:05:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 61 @ 0.00479985 = 0.2928 BTC [+] {2}

10:22:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07550007 = 0.3775 BTC [-] {3}

10:23:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07500017 = 0.45 BTC [-] {2}

10:23:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [MS] 54 @ 0.00298018 = 0.1609 BTC [-]

10:27:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.07237016 = 0.579 BTC [-] {5}

10:28:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07211225 = 0.1442 BTC [-] {2}

10:29:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0720415 = 0.2161 BTC [-] {2}

10:29:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5799 @ 0.00082811 = 4.8022 BTC [-]

10:29:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.13361787 = 0.2672 BTC [+]

10:34:05 mircea_popescu: so i have a short statement re : http://bitbet.us/bet/621/any-altcoin-will-surpass-litecoin-in-market-capitalization/

10:34:37 mircea_popescu: it will resolve as yes presently. coinmarketcap.com is henceforth banned as a source on bitbet.

10:34:52 mircea_popescu: sorry, sanity. i tried.

10:38:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 56 @ 0.00479989 = 0.2688 BTC [+] {2}

10:38:18 punkman1: oh MazaCoin is 5th in volume now, http://coinmarketcap.com/volume.html#mzc

10:39:09 punkman1: and here is aurora for spain, http://spaincoin.es/

10:39:51 mircea_popescu: by now you can just edit the page, write random numbers. just as reflective of reality.

10:40:03 punkman1: pretty much

10:40:07 mircea_popescu: they should probably relaunch as a wiki, "the fake mkt cap numbers anyone can edit"

10:40:34 punkman1: there's like 3 dozen altcoin "exchanges" ready to add any random scamcoin

10:40:35 mircea_popescu: we need price signal, this is ridiculous

10:40:55 mircea_popescu: i mean, intellectually ridiculous. back in 2011 bruce wagner's antics made bitcoin easy to dismiss as "that cp ring"

10:41:13 mircea_popescu: now this bullshit makes bitcoin easy to dismiss as "indian highschool tomfoolery"

10:44:25 punkman1: "mine MinerTokens, rent more mining power to mine more MinerTokens to rent more mining power to mine more MinerTokens..... You can see where I'm going with this."

10:44:35 mircea_popescu: heh

10:45:06 punkman1: surprised there's not a dozen of these already

10:45:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.00089498 = 0.179 BTC [+]

10:45:59 punkman1: "Our minerrigs will be avaible for rent from launch. A total of 1.6 Gh scrypt will be rentet out for 50,000 MTK/Mh/day. When your total rent pass 1000 Mh you will be the legal owner of a 5Mh rig. You can then chose to continue let us host it and get 80% of the rentalprofit or you can get it shipped to your door"

10:48:08 mircea_popescu: which one is this ?

10:48:14 punkman1: the MinerTokens

10:48:18 mircea_popescu: wait, literally minertokens ?

10:48:19 mircea_popescu: jesus.

10:48:37 punkman1: you pay in minertokens to rent minertoken mining rigs

10:51:19 punkman1: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=483295.0

10:51:21 ozbot: [ANN][COM] COMRADE - New Innovative MinerStakeholder Concept - Profit for People

10:51:35 punkman1: these guys want 0.1btc to let you mine or something

10:52:05 punkman1: "-StakeHolder-Miners pay a fee of 0.1BTC to register. Miner-Stake holders who pay the fee for early mining access will be known as THE GENERALS"


10:53:38 punkman1: "COMRADE crypto movement designed to replicate the economic tactics used by the Comrade leaders of the USSR to rise the Soviet Union from the Ashes to what become the most powerful nation in the world (at the time)."

11:01:41 mircea_popescu: no

11:01:44 mircea_popescu: you're kidding me right ?

11:06:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00082983 = 11.2027 BTC [+] {2}

11:10:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07697949 = 0.154 BTC [+] {2}

11:14:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16327 @ 0.00082936 = 13.541 BTC [-] {2}

11:15:35 ThickAsThieves: i had bet yes on the areolacoin bet btw

11:15:41 ThickAsThieves: i saw no other outcome

11:16:45 ThickAsThieves: comrade coin says "COMMUNIST" on it

11:18:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07697537 = 0.154 BTC [-] {2}

11:19:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8450 @ 0.0008291 = 7.0059 BTC [-] {3}

11:25:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2000 @ 0.0046 = 9.2 BTC [-] {15}

11:26:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2750 @ 0.00452665 = 12.4483 BTC [-] {8}

11:27:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.00450334 = 4.5033 BTC [-] {11}

11:29:08 punkman1: ThickAsThieves: maybe ATC needs some dice http://altdice.net/

11:35:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9250 @ 0.00082687 = 7.6485 BTC [-] {2}

11:36:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07697229 = 0.1539 BTC [-]

11:39:42 ThickAsThieves: know someone reputable to make/run it?

12:02:39 cazalla: at what point do these alts collapse under their own weight?

12:03:33 dub: when the one true altcoin rises to engulf them

12:05:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07697227 = 0.1539 BTC [-]

12:14:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.0057499 = 0.1092 BTC [+]

12:17:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3329 @ 0.00082582 = 2.7492 BTC [-]

12:20:13 punkman1: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=476411.0

12:20:14 ozbot: MuCoWa - A MultiCoinWallet to your service - Update now: 1.3.0 Quark added

12:20:19 punkman1: "Since the code is obfuscated, would it be possible to monitor the web traffic going out from the wallet to make sure it never sends private keys anywhere?"

12:22:47 mircea_popescu: winner.

12:24:42 mircea_popescu: cazalla about 18 weeks

12:27:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00083063 = 4.8177 BTC [+]

12:29:46 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves ya well, so good for you.

12:30:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00451 = 0.1804 BTC [+]

12:31:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14850 @ 0.000831 = 12.3404 BTC [+] {2}

12:35:49 mircea_popescu: soo apparently the niagara has frozxen over

12:36:19 mircea_popescu: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2572681/Niagara-Falls-comes-frozen-halt-AGAIN-subfreezing-temperatures-freeze-millions-gallons-water-normally-flow-Falls.html

12:36:19 ozbot: Niagara Falls comes to frozen halt AGAIN as subfreezing temperatures freeze water | Mail Online

12:38:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 219 @ 0.0045 = 0.9855 BTC [-] {4}

12:38:17 chetty: 23% thought an "MP3" was a "Star Wars" robot

12:39:37 chetty: 42% said they believed a "motherboard" was "the deck of a cruise ship"

12:42:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6442 @ 0.00082552 = 5.318 BTC [-]

12:42:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1022 @ 0.00018777 = 0.1919 BTC [-]

12:51:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 3 @ 0.0445 = 0.1335 BTC [+]

13:17:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00082817 = 8.3645 BTC [+] {2}

13:33:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16202 @ 0.00082505 = 13.3675 BTC [-] {3}

13:39:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.09199995 = 0.368 BTC [+] {2}

13:39:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0425 = 0.1275 BTC [-]

13:40:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 75 @ 0.00464998 = 0.3487 BTC [+]

13:41:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1502 @ 0.00018799 = 0.2824 BTC [+] {2}

13:43:43 ThickAsThieves: https://medium.com/p/b64cf5912aa7

13:48:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.13311598 = 0.3993 BTC [-]

13:53:39 chetty: The snipers who shot at protesters and police in Kiev were allegedly hired by Maidan leaders, according to a leaked phone conversation between the EU foreign affairs chief Catherine Ashton and Estonian foreign affairs minister, which has emerged online.

13:54:34 asciilifeform: chetty: this is not news to me

13:55:01 chetty: well the tape is news :P

13:55:07 mircea_popescu: the tape is news.

13:55:09 asciilifeform: yes, it is.

13:56:07 asciilifeform: (but not in the u.s. media, unsurprisingly.)

13:58:50 asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: nsa shills.

14:02:12 asciilifeform: 'SSL is one of very few crypto systems that?s in daily usage by hundreds of millions of people. Remarkably, it seems that governments have not compromised the infrastructure.'

14:02:15 asciilifeform: trololol

14:02:40 mircea_popescu: lol

14:02:50 mircea_popescu: well yeah, most governments haven't.

14:03:00 asciilifeform: 'Usability studies have shown nobody outside of the tiny security community understands the web of trust or how to use it.'

14:03:01 mircea_popescu: euros because they're too lazy to do it, and prefer to suckle on the us drip,

14:03:09 mircea_popescu: and north korea because too stupid.

14:03:27 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform :D chump selection techniques.

14:03:34 asciilifeform: 'It?s not clear how you would build a secure way to initialise the Trezor, as you?d need to use an untrusted computer to present trusted keys into the device. A virus (MITM) could intercept and rewrite the keys as they were being loaded into the device. Unless you had key fingerprints written down on paper, it?d be impossible to notice a mismatch. Pre-agreed root certs installed at the factory solve this

14:03:34 asciilifeform: problem.'

14:03:36 asciilifeform: ahahahaha

14:03:43 mircea_popescu: there are 2 sorts of people in this world, and they're made apparent by the reaction to the statement "few understand this"

14:03:43 asciilifeform: this is just too good

14:03:52 mircea_popescu: type 1 is no longer interested. type 2 is now very interested.

14:04:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8687 @ 0.00082483 = 7.1653 BTC [-]

14:08:35 ThickAsThieves: maybe one/both of you should write a rebuttal

14:08:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.0008246 = 10.225 BTC [-]

14:08:49 ThickAsThieves: before he takes the bitcoin jesus torch

14:08:57 asciilifeform: why now and not after

14:12:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4463 @ 0.00082483 = 3.6812 BTC [+]

14:14:17 mircea_popescu: lol

14:14:20 ThickAsThieves: parachutes?

14:14:45 asciilifeform: btc jizzus is no catastrophe

14:14:49 mircea_popescu: ^

14:15:03 mircea_popescu: who are you quoting anyway

14:15:08 ThickAsThieves: hearn

14:15:39 Apocalyptic: <asciilifeform> [15:03:49] this is just too good // it is

14:15:54 asciilifeform: Apocalyptic: https://medium.com/p/b64cf5912aa7

14:17:00 ThickAsThieves: "Anyone can buy or sell the currency, but the Lakota are keeping half of it in reserve in order to prevent the wild speculation that has caused Bitcoin such price volatility. ... After an hour of questions, Harris thanked the small crowd and was promptly accosted by a tall man and a woman in red who wanted to buy some MazaCoin, which Harris was selling for 10 cents apiece. The two

14:17:01 ThickAsThieves: trailed him around the room as he hunted for a printer so he could issue the digital currency on paper. "

14:17:17 ThickAsThieves: ...

14:17:32 ThickAsThieves: "We’ve gone through 100 years of imposed poverty. That’s the fight we’re having"

14:18:03 asciilifeform: the traditional de-colonialization move from imposed to... self-imposed

14:20:08 ThickAsThieves: "CIA officers allegedly hacked into the US Senate Intelligence Committee's computers to find out what the oversight committee had found out about its controversial detention and treatment of terror suspects.‬"

14:20:29 Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, thanks for the link

14:20:59 Apocalyptic: this Hearn is a gold mine

14:21:44 mike_c: "being a CA involves tedious, mind-numbingly repetitive yet security critical work that unpaid volunteers are ill equipped to do well. " has he ever gone through the process of getting a SSL cert?? they don't do shit.

14:21:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2930 @ 0.00082724 = 2.4238 BTC [+]

14:22:10 asciilifeform: they're experts at vacuuming $$$$$

14:22:25 mike_c: the bullshit per line in that article is astounding.

14:22:33 chetty: A Florida woman has gone head to head with a local judge who has declared her efforts to live off the grid illegal and in violation of local and international code ordinances.

14:22:56 ThickAsThieves: i dont even know what a SSL really does, nor am I a programmer, but I have successfully purchased and installed one on a system I advised the client was not really secure

14:22:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10070 @ 0.0008262 = 8.3198 BTC [-]

14:22:58 asciilifeform: chetty: link ?

14:23:29 ThickAsThieves: it took like 5min

14:24:05 chetty: http://www.offthegridnews.com/2013/12/16/florida-city-evicting-woman-for-living-off-the-grid/

14:25:28 punkman1: http://arstechnica.com/business/2014/03/behold-arscoin-our-own-custom-cryptocurrency/

14:25:28 ozbot: Behold Arscoin, our own custom cryptocurrency | Ars Technica

14:26:09 asciilifeform: chetty: surprised ?

14:26:40 ThickAsThieves: asscoins heh

14:27:46 ThickAsThieves: buyer of coingen.io http://super3.org/

14:28:59 ThickAsThieves: he looks like he's 17

14:29:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 497 @ 0.0045 = 2.2365 BTC [-] {7}

14:29:11 chetty: asciilifeform: nope it was inevitable really

14:30:01 ThickAsThieves: "I asked my wife what she would trade for 5,000 Arscoins. Her answer: “A kiss?” Boom! A market had been created." lol

14:30:07 asciilifeform: chetty: beautifully described in 'The Art of Not Being Governed', J. C. Scott

14:30:54 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves lmao hearn.

14:31:37 Apocalyptic: "The user experience must be incredibly simple", "The main justification for this design choice is usability. In the same way that security cannot be bolted on at the last minute, the reverse also holds — you can’t bolt usability on to a secure system that was designed without human beings in mind"

14:31:51 Apocalyptic: I see a powerfull parallel with http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-definitive-tract-on-sociopathy/ here

14:31:55 mircea_popescu: mike_c he's just trying to misrepresent himself into relevancy

14:32:12 Apocalyptic: yeah don't focus on how shit has to be done, focus on the people fss !

14:32:19 mircea_popescu: pretty much the foundation halmark. it's due to the failure modes of the ycombinated mind.

14:32:45 mircea_popescu: wait i wrote that ?!

14:32:50 asciilifeform: 'a secure system that was designed without human beings in mind'

14:32:55 *: asciilifeform only designs for fellow Orcs

14:33:12 Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, no the quotes are from Hearn

14:33:22 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic i was shocked at the fraudsters link

14:33:26 mircea_popescu: i totally forgot i wrote that article.

14:33:35 mircea_popescu: i write too much ;/

14:34:39 mircea_popescu: nice article.

14:35:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6750 @ 0.00082858 = 5.5929 BTC [+] {2}

14:41:12 asciilifeform: http://www.exploit-db.com/exploits/31875/

14:41:34 asciilifeform: original:

14:41:34 asciilifeform: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=GHXSmNEg

14:44:33 Apocalyptic: interesting

14:44:46 r3wt: ;;bcauth r3wt

14:44:47 gribble: Request successful for user r3wt, hostmask r3wt!add82c3d@gateway/web/freenode/ip. Your challenge string is: freenode:#bitcoin-otc:7abdae0508ae0bf19ba9ddebfc0b68c090c3f35af9f2e9230dd4db47

14:45:03 r3wt: greetings

14:46:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4550 @ 0.00082967 = 3.775 BTC [+]

14:47:44 ThickAsThieves: hi

14:48:11 r3wt: hello super hackers

14:48:44 r3wt: i seek knowledge of prepared queries in php

14:48:50 r3wt: because i am not worthy

14:48:57 r3wt: and so i fail

14:49:58 chetty: Former IRS official Lois Lerner pleading the Fifth right now. <<< again

14:51:34 Apocalyptic: <r3wt> i seek knowledge of prepared queries in php // what happened to the LUA version ?

14:52:22 ThickAsThieves: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1zmgiq/new_side_channel_attack_that_can_recover_private/

14:52:22 ozbot: New Side Channel Attack That Can Recover Private Keys : Bitcoin

14:52:36 ThickAsThieves: by guess who

14:52:38 ThickAsThieves: Hearn

14:52:46 asciilifeform: cache diddling is old hat.

14:52:52 ThickAsThieves: by guess what

14:52:54 ThickAsThieves: OpenSSl

14:53:24 r3wt: lua version is here

14:53:25 r3wt:

14:53:25 asciilifeform: i don't see a Hearn in that paper

14:53:51 ThickAsThieves: sorry, he's the one sharing it

14:53:58 r3wt: still working on the php version though as it could be along time until the lua version is actually ready for production.

14:54:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4550 @ 0.0008314 = 3.7829 BTC [+]

14:55:45 mircea_popescu: lol r3wt

14:55:48 r3wt: anyone wanna buy some fee shares? we're broke and need some more "development money". and by development money, i mean money to pay ourselves and buy more shit.

14:56:20 Mats_cd03: what are you building

14:56:31 mircea_popescu: and what are fee shares

14:56:40 r3wt: same thing we've been building.

14:56:44 r3wt: https://openex.pw

14:56:45 Mats_cd03: lua based exchange?

14:56:46 ozbot: OpenEx

14:56:50 punkman1: you share the fees of running the exchange

14:56:58 r3wt: started as php, now moving to lua

14:57:35 Apocalyptic: r3wt, you should IPO on MPex

14:57:46 r3wt: isn't that a scam?

14:58:21 Mats_cd03: did you use bootstrap for the frontend

14:58:40 r3wt: lol no, thats all from scratch

14:58:53 r3wt: ive never used bootstrap

14:59:26 r3wt: bootstrap is for the design challenged

14:59:27 Apocalyptic: <Apocalyptic> r3wt, you should IPO on MPex

14:59:27 Apocalyptic: <r3wt> isn't that a scam? // kako you need to bash this

14:59:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC

15:00:09 r3wt: how does one "IPO on MPEX" and what are the benefits of doing so?

15:00:23 punkman1: r3wt: so are you currently smashing strings together to make SQL?

15:00:49 Mats_cd03: same as a usual IPO. raise virtual buttcoins

15:01:18 r3wt: unfortunately yes. that's why i'm here. i know mircea_popescu probably knows how to teach me to do it the right way

15:01:36 jcpham: mircea_popescu absolutely loves to teach people

15:01:48 jcpham: arguable one of his finest talests and favorite past-times

15:01:53 jcpham: *talents

15:02:05 Apocalyptic: yeah he does

15:02:24 Apocalyptic: though after you called his thing a scam not sure he will be most pleased and willing

15:02:50 jcpham: if i send monies will you thern reinvest my monies in riskier ventures

15:03:15 r3wt: Apocalyptic, i was talking about his securities exchange. i'm talking about the negative stigma associated with bitcoin ipo's

15:03:38 r3wt: wasn't**

15:03:45 Apocalyptic: r3wt, how is it worse than actual shares ?

15:03:45 Diablo-D3: yeah, fuck bitcoin IPOs

15:03:51 Diablo-D3: its not worth the trouble

15:03:51 ThickAsThieves: mp can handle noobs calling mpex a scam

15:03:55 Diablo-D3: no legitimate investors

15:03:58 jcpham: unless D3 mining on nvidia

15:04:02 Diablo-D3: all trolls expecting 1000% profit

15:04:07 Diablo-D3: in a week

15:04:10 *: jcpham throws money at million dollar datacenter

15:04:22 *: r3wt fails

15:04:29 Apocalyptic: in the way you get a contract, shares are traded on an 3rd party platform hopefully better built and you got access to liquidity you don't have at your exchange ?

15:04:29 Diablo-D3: jcpham: Im just doing it myself now

15:04:31 Diablo-D3: so much easier

15:04:33 Apocalyptic: among other things

15:04:43 jcpham: i'm teasing but at least you got the reference

15:04:45 jcpham: cool beans

15:05:53 ThickAsThieves: no one will accept an OpenEx IPO right now, other than CryptoStocks

15:06:04 ThickAsThieves: but then you'll be rubbing elbows with every scam of the week

15:06:16 r3wt: fuck that

15:06:49 r3wt: would it be wise to sell a portion of my business for capital?

15:07:07 r3wt: we have a few offers, none of them very good but i'm examining my options.

15:07:09 Diablo-D3: r3wt: dude

15:07:14 r3wt: i don't want to go back to hanging chickens at tyson

15:07:15 Diablo-D3: this is a fucking irc channel

15:07:34 Diablo-D3: and wtf is your business anyhow?

15:07:50 r3wt: this is an IRC channel? no fuckign way!

15:07:51 jcpham: tyson got bought by koch

15:08:07 Apocalyptic: r3wt, somehow since mcxnow came with the idea now it's seems to be a trend

15:08:33 Apocalyptic: *it

15:08:38 r3wt: please never compare us to mcxnow

15:09:00 r3wt: we aren't here to scam, we just needed start up money because we are poor fucks\

15:09:04 punkman1: https://github.com/r3wt/openex/blob/master/models/funcs.general.php#L116

15:09:08 jcpham: mcxnow is legit compared to whatever this is

15:09:10 r3wt: and look, we actually delivered some

15:09:11 jcpham: at this moment

15:09:24 r3wt: its not great yet i know, but we are working hard everyday

15:09:43 jcpham: you need traction not publicity

15:10:11 jcpham: an organic userbase

15:10:14 punkman1: r3wt: that doesn't look very responsible

15:10:18 Diablo-D3: r3wt: what the fuck is your company

15:10:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2450 @ 0.00083062 = 2.035 BTC [-]

15:11:08 Mats_cd03: ill fund you if you have 7% profit month over month for a year

15:11:11 jcpham: https://openex.pw/

15:11:33 Mats_cd03: thats how investing works right

15:11:35 r3wt: any advice punkman1?

15:11:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.0045 = 0.225 BTC [-]

15:12:13 punkman1: r3wt: mysql_real_escape_string is deprecated, maybe suspend trading for a while

15:12:22 jcpham: need moar pipe

15:13:29 r3wt: i meant advice on how to make prepared statements, because i'm actually just a noob with a dream. no college education, just read a book about php

15:13:33 ThickAsThieves: <r3wt> its not great yet i know, but we are working hard everyday // who is "we"?

15:13:38 artifexd: ;;ident

15:13:39 gribble: Nick 'artifexd', with hostmask 'artifexd!~artifexd@unaffiliated/artifexd', is not identified.

15:13:43 r3wt: but yeah, i can shut the exchange down at anytime

15:14:01 jcpham: that's the gox and others example

15:14:10 jcpham: whoopsie. halt trading

15:14:15 r3wt: done

15:14:24 jcpham: all btc lost

15:14:34 ThickAsThieves: r3wtm the problem is you are a noob voluntering to be responsible with people's money, which noobness, particularly of the programmer variety, is least qualified to do

15:15:05 r3wt: trading is closed for now, this is my goal for the day. learn to use prepared statements and replace them throughout the site.

15:15:07 ThickAsThieves: taking investors piles it on

15:15:21 r3wt: any advice?

15:15:30 r3wt: or maybe a link to a guide?

15:16:41 r3wt: fuck it, i guess like everything else in life i have to learn this on my own.

15:16:43 r3wt: no worries

15:17:02 r3wt: i have one question. is mysqli safe enough or should i go for the pdo extension?

15:17:27 jcpham: normally i get paid to pick stuff apart

15:17:46 artifexd: r3wt You're asking programming questions in a channel about investing. Stackoverflow would be a good place to find answers to the type of questions you're asking.

15:18:02 punkman1: php.net has all the examples you need

15:18:35 r3wt: i'm banned from asking questions on stackoverflow

15:18:41 r3wt: i think

15:18:47 jcpham: wow

15:18:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5450 @ 0.0008314 = 4.5311 BTC [+]

15:19:11 artifexd: What's your so username?

15:19:25 Apocalyptic: jcpham, this gets better every line

15:19:38 *: jcpham backs away from the keyboard

15:20:08 artifexd: http://stackoverflow.com/users/2401804/r3wt

15:20:08 ozbot: User r3wt - Stack Overflow

15:24:06 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust r3wt

15:24:07 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user r3wt: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=r3wt | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=r3wt | Rated since: never

15:24:16 mircea_popescu: well i mean in principle, but gotta build up first.

15:24:49 mircea_popescu: how the fuck does one get banned on stack overflow

15:25:12 r3wt: i'm not banned, just banned from askign questions. look at the first two questions i asked and it should be all you need to know

15:26:06 *: r3wt shuns himself in the corner for 10 minutes

15:27:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9096 @ 0.00083159 = 7.5641 BTC [+] {2}

15:28:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4654 @ 0.00083195 = 3.8719 BTC [+]

15:29:54 artifexd: http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/86997/what-can-i-do-when-getting-we-are-no-longer-accepting-questions-answers-from-th

15:29:55 ozbot: What can I do when getting "We are no longer accepting questions/answers from this account"? - Meta

15:33:33 jcpham: ;;gettrust mircea_popescu

15:33:34 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user jcpham to user mircea_popescu: Level 1: 5, Level 2: 25 via 23 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=jcpham&dest=mircea_popescu | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mircea_popescu | Rated since: Fri Jul 22 11:04:26 2011

15:35:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8981 @ 0.00083 = 7.4542 BTC [-] {2}

15:35:29 jcpham: sometimes i look at these trust graphs and ratings and i see emotion

15:36:42 mircea_popescu: sveet love an' devotion

15:36:47 nubbins`: hi

15:36:56 jcpham: hi nubbs

15:37:10 nubbins`: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OE2l6CPna4M

15:37:11 ozbot: Worst music video ever - YouTube

15:37:16 nubbins`: came across this ^ last night

15:37:21 nubbins`: actually a pretty rad song

15:37:28 nubbins`: music video sucks tho ;(

15:37:29 jcpham: is it better than walls fall out

15:37:32 nubbins`: probably

15:37:40 nubbins`: it's just WAITING to be covered

15:38:43 jcpham: without the video, if i only heard it I would think it sucked less than i now think

15:38:48 jcpham: because i saw the video

15:38:49 nubbins`: nod

15:38:53 jcpham: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OE2l6CPna4M

15:38:53 ozbot: Worst music video ever - YouTube

15:38:59 jcpham: nope

15:39:04 jcpham: not that one clipboard

15:39:14 jcpham: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkZLl1CUT9s

15:39:14 r3wt: damnit to hell

15:39:14 ozbot: Walls Fall Out - OFFICIAL - YouTube

15:39:15 nubbins`: i was about halfway through my first viewing before i stopped laughing at the video and realized the song was awesome ;(

15:39:21 jcpham: that one clipboard, that one.

15:39:32 nubbins`: ooo, sign in to confirm my age!

15:39:41 jcpham: mmmmhmmmmm

15:40:43 nubbins`: AAAAAH

15:40:48 nubbins`: that was a dirty trick D;

15:41:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 24 @ 0.00449999 = 0.108 BTC [-]

15:41:16 jcpham: i thought we were talking about the worst music videos ever

15:41:23 jcpham: i had a suggestion for that topic

15:41:34 nubbins`: i was just sharing a cool song D:

15:41:41 jcpham: yeah me too!

15:41:41 nubbins`: DDDDDDDDDD:

15:43:19 mircea_popescu: Someone stupid will ask me this: "then why doesn't Medicaid just offer a billing code for "need three evaluations, but likely no diagnosis?" Because if Fox News got wind that Obama was paying for black people to get "no diagnosis" they'd blow up an abortion clinic. Paying for "temper tantrums" is just the right amount of enraging, TV and internet enraging, no violence will occur. "Isn't this why we need universal he

15:43:19 mircea_popescu: althcare?" Well, lieutenant, pronounced like I'm a British naval commander, if we had a system of healthcare in which doctors were paid the exact same regardless of diagnosis or severity, then there'd be little attention paid to "correct" diagnosis, all of our epidemiological data would be totally invalid, and the number one drug in America would be Xanax. "Wait, isn't that the situation now?" Huh, nailed it.

15:45:06 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: more tlp ?

15:45:14 mircea_popescu: yes

15:46:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1950 @ 0.00082967 = 1.6179 BTC [-]

15:48:59 mircea_popescu: http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/03/doomsday-cult-of-bitcoin.html

15:48:59 ozbot: The Doomsday Cult of Bitcoin -- Daily Intelligencer

15:49:02 mircea_popescu: check out this derp

15:49:41 Apocalyptic: my derp counter has overflown with Hearn today, i'll pass

15:50:18 mircea_popescu: "Partly this is because lawmakers and regulators, spooked by early hype and the Mt. Gox disaster, are never going to afford Bitcoin services the kind of autonomy they'd need in order to flourish. Partly it's because there are conceptual problems with the Bitcoin architecture itself. And partly it's because Bitcoin's anarchic roots are too fringe to draw in the masses. In the mind of the average American, the currency i

15:50:18 mircea_popescu: s now synonymous with theft, drugs, and techno-wizardry. These impressions do not a global currency make."

15:50:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00082792 = 5.7954 BTC [-] {2}

15:50:31 mircea_popescu: for the record, dear regulators : it comes out of your skin, either way.

15:50:48 mircea_popescu: make it pleasant on yourself or not, lube up or not, whatever suits

15:50:51 mircea_popescu: but the cock is going in.

15:51:08 nubbins`: techno-wizardry

15:51:18 mircea_popescu: imagine, you know ?

15:51:35 nubbins`: http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/technowizard.bmp

15:51:43 mircea_popescu: i mean this is total libertard school of denial. it just so happens that theft, drugs and techno-wizardry is the EXACT recipe of mainstream worship

15:51:46 nubbins`: that's about what i had in mind

15:52:00 mircea_popescu: this guy is basically saying that bitcoin is a distilate of all rappers, all wall street and all silicon valley

15:52:04 mircea_popescu: and then pretending like this is a bad thing.

15:55:01 mircea_popescu: anyway, http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6vh58LPXM1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg

15:57:06 Mats_cd03: r3wt, i would recommend reading several books about secure coding and learn how to use an auditing tool like burp

15:57:47 r3wt: i decided i'd just hire a professional and try to learn from whatever example he sets

15:58:22 nubbins`: lel i can hear pascale humming that jan terri song from downstairs

15:58:36 Mats_cd03: going from php to lua is an odd choice and doesnt inspire anyone with confidence in your ability to secure their funds

15:59:53 Mats_cd03: security requires design and architecture, so maybe you should read books instead of writing code at this stage

16:00:31 asciilifeform: Mats_cd03, r3wt: to learn 'secure code', spend a few years as a lowly 0day hunter

16:00:48 Mats_cd03: i wouldnt recommend that

16:01:20 r3wt: i am taking myself out of the equation for good of the project

16:01:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00449999 = 0.45 BTC [-] {3}

16:01:48 Mats_cd03: that journey is unforgiving and uneducational if youre not clever or connected to people better than you at it

16:02:12 asciilifeform: Mats_cd03: how to find if you're clever without trying

16:02:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00574943 = 0.5749 BTC [+] {2}

16:05:55 Mats_cd03: reading CVE reports, studying 0days and proofs of concept, crackmes, compiler books, r/reverseengineering

16:06:29 Apocalyptic: I used to do a lot of crackmes back in the days

16:06:32 asciilifeform: Mats_cd03: studying classic examples only takes you so far

16:06:42 asciilifeform: doesn't teach the process of how they come to exist

16:06:43 Apocalyptic: do as in solving and creating the challenges

16:06:45 Mats_cd03: thats what the foundational books are for

16:07:36 Mats_cd03: i advise building a serious knowledge base in one subset of sec before getting into anything else

16:08:29 r3wt: thanks for the advice Mats_cd03

16:09:48 deadweasel: what's everyone's take on the folks at ##security?

16:09:58 Mats_cd03: dumb

16:10:07 asciilifeform: can't say, never saw.

16:10:36 Mats_cd03: i lurk there and i rarely see any good conversation

16:10:53 r3wt: bullshitters

16:12:04 wao-ender: v0v https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/

16:12:10 deadweasel: i agree on all counts, but it's not to say you can't comb the logs for some direction.

16:12:14 nubbins`: ;;ticker --market all

16:12:20 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 662.37, vol: 17860.37014311 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 639.899, vol: 16064.3695 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 661.4999, vol: 14587.05392498 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 674.0, vol: 46.86848963 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 671.0, vol: 10.01218267 | Volume-weighted last average: 654.689264159

16:12:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00082989 = 6.8051 BTC [+] {2}

16:12:50 deadweasel: then again, i'm not 'savvy'

16:15:20 nubbins`: savvy and sapient share a root

16:15:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 170 @ 0.004401 = 0.7482 BTC [-] {4}

16:19:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14481 @ 0.00082817 = 11.9927 BTC [-] {3}

16:21:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 52 @ 0.00440011 = 0.2288 BTC [-] {4}

16:22:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 9 @ 0.13311598 = 1.198 BTC [-]

16:22:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 74 @ 0.00439891 = 0.3255 BTC [-] {2}

16:25:20 mircea_popescu: Mircea Popescu So has the #ImpotentAlliance invaded the Ukraine Soviet Republic yet or we still talkin' ?

16:25:20 mircea_popescu: Bit Power @Mircea_Popescu Still talkin' -- Russia threatens to confiscate U.S. assets....

16:25:20 mircea_popescu: Mircea Popescu Pity the US wasn't keeping it all in #Bitcoin.

16:27:22 mircea_popescu: also, i'm with Mats_cd03. asciilifeform's ideas are tailored for the 1%. nttawwt, but kind-of dangerous if you're not in.

16:27:54 Mats_cd03: im all for the beauty of discovery, hacking, and all that

16:28:40 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i read some old posts this morning. you are using 'crystal space' - written by the sadly famous taaki ? this does not bother you ?

16:28:59 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in the same sense using bitcoin "written" by the sadly famous taaki doesn't bother me.

16:29:17 Apocalyptic: "<QuantumQrack> No, I'm saying the true leaders have massive power. But in a cryptocurrcency wold....the mass has the power."

16:29:27 Mats_cd03: many people need structured learning to progress further

16:29:38 asciilifeform: i guess i'm just terrible at measuring which miscreants are dumb enough to be harmless

16:29:39 mircea_popescu: adding to that : generally at the fruit stand, the peaches which have all the bugs swarming in are the best.

16:30:14 asciilifeform: this also works at the turd stand

16:30:22 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic so let the mass think it has power, and then get indignant whenever mpoe-pr shows up.

16:30:33 Apocalyptic: sounds like a plan

16:30:41 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform true, true

16:31:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07260022 = 0.726 BTC [-] {8}

16:31:45 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: 1% & comsec - one needn't be a historic champion to learn basic things

16:31:55 asciilifeform: i keep trying to wake people up to this fact

16:31:56 mircea_popescu: yeah, they would.

16:31:58 asciilifeform: usually to no avail

16:32:05 mircea_popescu: that's the thing. basic things are only accessible to the very very elite.

16:32:11 mircea_popescu: for instance, tell me what is a number ?

16:32:55 *: asciilifeform wakes up herr peano's zombie

16:32:56 mircea_popescu: compare basic and lisp. there is NOTHING basic about any one basic instruction

16:33:08 mircea_popescu: they're all complex porrige of many things.

16:33:29 mircea_popescu: meanwhile, explain something truely basic, like say lambda, to the basic crowd.

16:34:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.57654522 BTC [-]

16:34:23 asciilifeform: any child who played 'mad libs' (or whatever it's called on the other side of the atlantic today) can understand 'lambda'

16:34:51 mircea_popescu: but thats quite besides the point

16:35:04 Mats_cd03: http://shkspr.mobi/blog/2014/03/2000-nhs-security-vulnerabilities-disclosed/

16:35:07 mircea_popescu: because most children' maturation requires they become socially inserted

16:35:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 75 @ 0.00449953 = 0.3375 BTC [+]

16:35:09 Mats_cd03: lol wordpress

16:35:15 mircea_popescu: which requires them acquire proficiency in a number of porriges

16:35:22 mircea_popescu: by the time which is done... well... good luck.

16:36:00 mircea_popescu: "These flaws were discovered passively using the information which was returned by the web server following a normal request. I have not exploited any of the holes found."

16:36:07 mircea_popescu: how you know the author lives in a fascist state.

16:36:32 Apocalyptic: .d

16:36:32 ozbot: 3.816 billion | Next Diff in 1245 blocks | Estimated Change: 3.7517% in 8d 7h 16m 20s

16:37:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 26 @ 0.00449301 = 0.1168 BTC [-] {2}

16:39:01 asciilifeform: sometimes simple crap is actually... simple

16:39:16 asciilifeform: what can be more straightforward than 'SKI combinator' calculus ?

16:42:22 asciilifeform: or here's a fun variation on the theme:

16:42:25 asciilifeform: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iota_and_Jot

16:42:25 ozbot: Iota and Jot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

16:43:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 75 @ 0.00449879 = 0.3374 BTC [+] {4}

16:43:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4829 @ 0.00082587 = 3.9881 BTC [-]

16:43:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07698379 = 0.3849 BTC [+] {2}

16:44:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.08960102 = 0.6272 BTC [-] {2}

16:44:56 ThickAsThieves: winklesvii to the moon! http://winklevosscapital.com/posts/78649481042

16:48:41 Apocalyptic: altcoin is going to da moon too I heard

16:50:27 benkay: r3wt: read this for some perspective on your choices: http://www.michaelbromley.co.uk/blog/65/confessions-of-an-intermediate-programmer

16:50:35 Apocalyptic: benkay, he left

16:50:49 benkay: ;;later tell r3wt: read this for some perspective on your choices: http://www.michaelbromley.co.uk/blog/65/confessions-of-an-intermediate-programmer

16:50:49 gribble: The operation succeeded.

16:51:07 benkay: thanks, Apocalyptic

16:52:19 asciilifeform: http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2014/03/goxcoin/

16:52:19 ozbot: Implosion of Bitcoin Exchange Spawns Mutant Digital Currency | Wired Enterprise | Wired.com

16:52:25 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2014#495815

16:52:29 ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log

16:52:32 asciilifeform: what have i done

16:54:31 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves yeah they got bailed in

16:55:08 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform see ? the real nsa is always listening.

16:55:21 mircea_popescu: this is an ancient greek idea. careful what you say for the gods may be short of inspiration

16:55:42 *: asciilifeform bows in respect to my happy invisible friends

16:55:49 ThickAsThieves: "Using a technology called Mastercoin, the Goxcoin people would mint a brand new digital currency"

16:55:59 ThickAsThieves: The derp compounds


16:57:18 asciilifeform: chetty: wake me up for the beheading vid.

16:57:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-]

16:58:06 mircea_popescu: mastercoin is a technology ?

16:58:34 mircea_popescu: chetty obviously. they had to be pretty fucking stupid to not realise that "independent" military has no problem doing it.

16:58:40 chetty: will do asciilifeform, probably a couple days, must draw out the drama

16:58:45 mircea_popescu: but no, cheeky un, "we are bureaucrats so we matter"

16:59:02 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they ain't beheading them, just keeping them on ice for a few weeks.

16:59:21 mircea_popescu: "ty for having improved our negotiation position"

16:59:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.40070057 BTC to 3`643 shares, 65899 satoshi per share

17:00:29 asciilifeform: damn, there was, going 'hedsoff.com'...

17:00:47 asciilifeform: * there i was

17:01:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18476 @ 0.00082909 = 15.3183 BTC [+] {2}

17:03:35 deadweasel: SomeSubjectiveSomeObjective . 3 hours ago

17:03:35 deadweasel: I endorse this, and I've already started development on Goxcoincoin, set to go live when Goxcoin is hacked into bankruptcy. Goxcoincoin will allow people to buy interests in Goxcoin assets.

17:03:49 deadweasel: lol

17:04:13 mircea_popescu: deadweasel tell him it's supposed to be goxgoxcoin

17:04:17 mircea_popescu: not goxcoincoin

17:04:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0425 = 0.2125 BTC [-]

17:04:39 ThickAsThieves: mastergoxcoin?

17:05:01 chetty: eeww just the name makes me queasy

17:05:30 mircea_popescu: aurogoxmasternextripple

17:05:42 mircea_popescu: should be good enough

17:06:23 ThickAsThieves: areolanipples

17:08:40 ThickAsThieves: i'm having a Java install feedback loop :(

17:08:42 chetty: Three third-grade students at a Sonora elementary school were busted for smoking pot in the school?s bathroom last week.

17:08:58 chetty: you touch Java?

17:09:25 ThickAsThieves: only for one thing

17:09:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00083204 = 9.8181 BTC [+] {4}

17:09:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59 BTC [+]

17:09:49 ThickAsThieves: which is now telling me i need to update, after every update

17:10:03 mircea_popescu: update the updater

17:10:25 ThickAsThieves: don't have enough updateupdatecoins

17:11:51 benkay: http://bitbet.us/bet/621/any-altcoin-will-surpass-litecoin-in-market-capitalization/#c2561

17:11:55 ozbot: BitBet - Any altcoin will surpass Litecoin in market capitalization

17:13:10 mircea_popescu: lol

17:13:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3072 @ 0.00082509 = 2.5347 BTC [-]

17:13:55 benkay: poor mods

17:13:58 benkay: poor -pr

17:14:22 mike_c: so now it depends on definition of "ends up", cuz aurora is tanking.

17:14:38 benkay: nah it resolved

17:14:45 mike_c: ah

17:14:58 benkay: mp caved on the coin v scam situation

17:15:15 benkay: hey kakobrekla mircea_popescu when do we see costs of mods in bitbet statements?

17:15:22 mike_c: it's tough being judge & jury. not a job I envy.

17:15:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0890005 = 0.356 BTC [-] {2}

17:21:42 mircea_popescu: benkay prolly never.

17:22:04 benkay: mircea_popescu why is that?

17:22:11 mircea_popescu: mike_c http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2014#547210

17:22:55 mircea_popescu: benkay roughly for the same reason tyhe cost of mp as ceo doesn't show in s.mpoe's books

17:23:21 ThickAsThieves: Since Feb 28, 2013 until Feb 26, 2014, ASICMiner has paid out over the past year:

17:23:22 ThickAsThieves: Total: 220,909.62 BTC

17:23:22 ThickAsThieves: Per Share: 0.6135/Share

17:23:22 ThickAsThieves: Average Weekly Payout: 0.0118/Share

17:23:29 BingoBoingo: So since Arscoin is Webwallet only... How long until CondeNast goes Inputs.io? http://arstechnica.com/business/2014/03/digging-for-cryptocurrency-the-newbies-guide-to-mining-altcoins/

17:24:10 benkay: mircea_popescu the mods are paid in shares, then? the mods are you and kakobrekla then?

17:24:21 ThickAsThieves: Today is also my official first day not being tied to AM in any way anymore

17:24:38 *: ThickAsThieves does a little dance.

17:25:56 mircea_popescu: benkay nenver underestimate the advantage of a harem of slaves.

17:25:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00449765 = 0.2249 BTC [-]

17:26:55 nubbins`: tat, are congratulations appropriate?

17:26:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 46 @ 0.0055 = 0.253 BTC

17:27:35 mircea_popescu: well it's not bad, overal it paid in dividends way more than it originally cost

17:27:44 mircea_popescu: so it's one of the few happy stories in btcland

17:28:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6750 @ 0.00083055 = 5.6062 BTC [+]

17:28:06 ThickAsThieves: too bad btcland had to drive it up to 5.5btc

17:29:04 mircea_popescu: ya well

17:29:16 mircea_popescu: btcland wanted to show mp oneup

17:29:54 mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/ << check out latest bets

17:29:57 mircea_popescu: NO NO NO NO NO

17:30:00 mircea_popescu: bitbet denial

17:30:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.09099999 = 0.182 BTC [+] {2}

17:31:18 ThickAsThieves: hehe mostly me

17:31:54 ThickAsThieves: letting it ride

17:32:58 mircea_popescu: On October 26, 2005, [drug rep] Mr. Caronia went to Dr. Charno's office. He had never met Dr. Charno before, nor had any previous contact with him but for the phone calls from Dr. Charno seeking a promotional speech. During the meeting, Dr. Charno repeatedly asked Mr. Caronia off-label questions and asked to meet Dr. Gleason [a speaker for the company.]

17:32:58 mircea_popescu: Dr. Gleason eventually came, and, in the presence of Caronia, had a discussion with Dr. Charno about off-label uses for Xyrem (insomnia, restless legs, etc). Is Caronia responsible? Should he have stopped Gleason? The court said yes, and convicted him.

17:32:58 mircea_popescu: The trick was, Dr. Charno was actually a government informant. That's odd. And I have never heard of a doctor who requested a promotional speech. He cold called a rep he had never met and asked to meet him to discuss a drug he had never prescribed?

17:33:02 mircea_popescu: The third witness presented by the United States Government was the confidential informant, Dr. Steven Charno. After pleading guilty to medical insurance fraud stemming from his criminal act of filing fraudulent medical insurance bills in the amount of $821,000.00, Dr. Charno cooperated with the United States Government against Alfred Caronia.

17:33:07 mircea_popescu: I thought I was reading the script for a bad cop movie. Did the government use a plea agreement to force Charno to help the government capture drug reps that he had never even met?

17:33:10 mircea_popescu: check that shit out lmao

17:34:04 mircea_popescu: i suppose that's the future use of all the two bit scammers i nthe history of bitcoin.

17:34:11 mircea_popescu: so i guess... don't deal with known scammers.

17:36:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10597 @ 0.00083248 = 8.8218 BTC [+]

17:37:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2778 @ 0.00083055 = 2.3073 BTC [-]

17:37:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.091 = 0.273 BTC [+]

17:39:15 ThickAsThieves: http://www.thestreet.com/story/12509084/1/overstock-ceo-expects-bitcoin-derivatives.html

17:39:15 ozbot: Overstock CEO Expects Bitcoin Derivatives - TheStreet

17:40:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.00566001 = 0.1132 BTC [-]

17:41:04 lalusch: Would anyone be so kind and give me a link to information on the Scharmbeck scam? lost track of this whole thing about a month ago

17:43:59 mircea_popescu: lalusch which one is that ?

17:44:26 chetty: haha so many scams. so little time

17:44:45 lalusch: sbfs on cryptostocks?

17:44:47 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves lol derp.

17:45:07 mircea_popescu: lalusch possibly nobody here keeping track of individual cryptostocks scams

17:45:15 mircea_popescu: the entire thing just melds into one big scam

17:45:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10350 @ 0.00082494 = 8.5381 BTC [-] {2}

17:45:44 lalusch: yes, thats what i'm feeling too

17:46:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07699997 = 0.154 BTC [+]

17:46:42 lalusch: anyone got information on when CBTC will pay dividends for february

17:47:07 mike_c: ;;last seen kakobrekla

17:47:08 gribble: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must match; (1 more message)

17:47:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8322 @ 0.00082975 = 6.9052 BTC [+]

17:47:30 mircea_popescu: lalusch no. they do not publish either reports or any sort of sensible anything.

17:47:38 mike_c: ;;seen kakobrekla

17:47:39 gribble: kakobrekla was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 13 hours, 26 minutes, and 1 second ago: <kakobrekla> mhm

17:48:24 lalusch: :(

17:48:28 mircea_popescu: all they do is crap like https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=465334.msg5224850#msg5224850

17:48:39 lalusch: but actually this makes them even more credible for me

17:48:56 Apocalyptic: huh how so ?

17:50:26 deadweasel: i can't see how, pls explain, lalusch.

17:51:28 lalusch: giving the exact dat of dividend payment could make the stocks price crash 2 minutes after div payment as just 1 bigger player has to sell then, on such a low volume

17:51:38 lalusch: get what i mean?

17:51:43 lalusch: sry for english

17:51:56 mike_c: no reason for it to "crash" more than the dividend payment.

17:52:08 ThickAsThieves: lol

17:52:15 ThickAsThieves: dividends mean everything!

17:54:12 ThickAsThieves: Beth Jacob, who has served as Target's chief information officer and executive vice president of technology services since 2008, is vacating both positions and departing the company immediately. According to CEO Gregg Steinhafel, the retailer has already launched a search for an interim CIO to help steer Target through a major security overhaul.

17:54:26 lalusch: yea they do

17:54:29 ThickAsThieves: Target info/sec is headless!

17:54:38 lalusch: nobody is going long term in cryptobiz

17:54:52 deadweasel: lalusch: how do you mean their bitcointalk post makes them more credible?

17:54:52 mircea_popescu: lalusch that's nonsense, really.

17:55:02 mike_c: guy i know who works in it security consulting says he is drowning in work b/c of target.

17:55:16 ThickAsThieves: well that's forumite logic

17:55:19 mircea_popescu: all mpex companies have their div dates announced as per contract, in the past two years there has been exactly 0 of the stuff you talk about.

17:55:25 ThickAsThieves: more posts, more trust

17:55:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 101 @ 0.0044003 = 0.4444 BTC [-] {3}

17:55:44 Apocalyptic: ^

17:55:55 ThickAsThieves: the more numbers included in posts, more trust

17:56:03 lalusch: deadweasel, must have gotten me wrong. I did not mean the bitcointalk thread

17:56:10 ThickAsThieves: (numbers do not have to represent reality, or be good)

17:56:20 lalusch: i meant the fact that they dont announce the exact date for dividend payment

17:56:31 mircea_popescu: methinks ThickAsThieves is a little jaded these days

17:56:40 chetty: aren't 'regular' stocks div dates legally required to be published?

17:56:45 mircea_popescu: lalusch yeah but still there should be a "no later than 5th of the month" or something

17:56:49 ThickAsThieves: well look where i spend my time!

17:56:56 deadweasel: ^

17:57:00 deadweasel: it can't be helped

17:57:07 lalusch: i totally agree

17:57:08 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i hear this is how people end up with eating disorders

17:57:17 ThickAsThieves: i could stand to lose a few

17:57:37 mircea_popescu: mike_c didn't they recently lose a db ?

17:58:23 mike_c: just lost a little personal data on 110 million customers.

17:58:56 mike_c: basically everyone in the US got issued new credit cards after that one.

17:59:24 mircea_popescu: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2012/12/and_now_the_pharma_pendulum_sw.html

17:59:24 ozbot: The Last Psychiatrist: Expendable; Or, And Now The Pharma Pendulum Swings Back The Other Way

17:59:27 mircea_popescu: this is a fucking epic article.

17:59:35 mircea_popescu: wanna understand why the finance people keep falling out of windows ?

17:59:37 mircea_popescu: there's the blueprint.

18:00:01 mircea_popescu: mike_c finding a way to paper over the fact that they STILL do not wish to use security is going to take some effort.

18:00:37 mike_c: just hire a new CIO! chopping a couple heads fixes everything.

18:01:02 asciilifeform: they STILL do not wish to use security << re: Target ?

18:01:38 chetty: more good reasons to avoid plastic fiats

18:01:42 asciilifeform: there is no little to no incentive in the u.s. for card issuers (and money lenders in general) to secure anything.

18:02:07 nubbins`: lel, so we outsourced some printing to this company in california. 14% of the order is missing when it arrives -- no explanation, no "we'll get the rest sent out soon", just numbers changed with a pen on the packing slip. i emailed company, they say "oh sorry -- we'll get the rest to you by march 24"

18:02:10 asciilifeform: 'identity theft' is only possible because they wish it to be.

18:02:11 nubbins`: almost a month late

18:02:24 nubbins`: when i inquired about a partial refund, they offer me $20

18:02:29 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes

18:02:31 nubbins`: not the $113.50 that the missing tanks cost

18:02:35 nubbins`: a fucking jackson.

18:02:56 mircea_popescu: nubbins` so sue.

18:03:12 asciilifeform: quite a few people don't seem to understand the implications

18:03:38 nubbins`: i'm giving them one more chance before i issue a chargeback

18:03:50 asciilifeform: it isn't just the fact that money lenders like that, though i refuse to borrow a million, some other fellow can swipe my driver's license and do it for me

18:04:00 jcpham: woohoo chargeback!. talk with your monies

18:04:13 asciilifeform: it's also the fact that the alternative is a mercilessly-cryptographic concept of identity

18:04:19 asciilifeform: as depicted in 'Shall Be Delivered'

18:04:23 nubbins`: already talking with my voice, too -- just blasted them on one of the bigger t-shirt printing forums

18:04:39 asciilifeform: where if someone has your key, / they are now legally you /

18:04:40 nubbins`: generally fulfillment companies have a forum presence, will be interesting to see if they respond there

18:05:51 deadweasel: nubbins`: after you chargeback, cancel the card and link them to your posts.

18:07:28 asciilifeform: * musical interlude * - 2047: mr. barack hussein IV was six foot tall at the time of his coronation, but lost his key - inscribed on a napkin - and unfortunately / bifurcated / two years later. he is now five foot eight, half-chinese, with a red beard.'

18:07:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6634 @ 0.00083227 = 5.5213 BTC [+] {2}

18:08:15 asciilifeform: 'mandatory gladiatorial combat following bifurcation was introduced in .... due to ...'

18:09:12 asciilifeform: 'there were five contending forks; two boys clutching old-fashioned xerox copies and ...'

18:09:27 asciilifeform: * end of musical interlude *

18:10:20 nubbins`: <asciilifeform> there is no little to no incentive in the u.s. for card issuers (and money lenders in general) to secure anything. <<< nod

18:10:23 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Are they in the WoT?

18:10:43 nubbins`: no reason why my credit card number can't be a "master key" and i just generate one-time-use cc numbers for purchases

18:10:57 nubbins`: other than the fact that the current system favours the issuers

18:10:57 asciilifeform: nubbins`: you know the reason

18:11:16 asciilifeform: nubbins`: if you refuse to buy a Boeing, some other fellow gets to, in your name

18:11:16 nubbins`: cost of fraud detection / prevention > cost of chargebacks

18:11:30 asciilifeform: then go and prove that you didn't

18:11:40 nubbins`: BingoBoingo: unfortunately, i'm the only t-shirt provider in the wot

18:12:24 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform chinese ppl can't have red beards.

18:12:41 asciilifeform: ahahaha china lost its national key

18:12:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8373 @ 0.00082947 = 6.9452 BTC [-] {2}

18:12:45 asciilifeform: and an irish kid found it

18:12:48 mircea_popescu: lmao

18:13:13 mircea_popescu: nubbins` what, and s.nsa is a trillion dollar company ?

18:13:21 mircea_popescu: and then obama has to ask mp's permission on irc to do shit ?

18:13:28 mircea_popescu: IMPOSSIBRU

18:13:55 *: nubbins` scrolls back in search of the bit he missed

18:14:06 BingoBoingo: Fuck, I run a billion dollar ATC hedge fund for a private client

18:14:13 asciilifeform: zimbabwe dollars?

18:14:30 BingoBoingo: Does the dollars origin really matter?

18:14:39 asciilifeform: http://www.amazon.com/Zimbabwe-Trillion-Dollar-Bank-Uncirculated/dp/B002X1970I

18:14:40 ozbot: Amazon.com: Zimbabwe 100 Trillion Dollar Bank Note 2008 Uncirculated: Everything Else

18:14:57 mircea_popescu: the other zimbabwe

18:16:07 artifexd: ;;rate BingoBoingo 1 Did what he said he was going to do

18:16:08 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user BingoBoingo has been recorded.

18:18:40 asciilifeform: for the aficionados: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/03/chronology-of-ukrainian-coup.html

18:26:59 mircea_popescu: "Welcome to the forum. MPOE is our most accomplished scumbag, a rumored child pornographer and a confirmed idiot. His business model is simple-minded: talk shit about everyone else to avoid scrutiny. Because he has no dignity or good breeding, he basically sells stock in himself, a sadistic, sexually confused Romanian Mafia reject. Anything he says can be disregarded, you won't miss anything valuable."

18:27:05 mircea_popescu: check that shit out yo!

18:27:12 asciilifeform: '... the judge then ruled that the death of a keyholder at the hands of his fork is to be considered 'assisted suicide.' when he finished belting out the last verse of Modified-Karatsuba Anthem, his secretary drew her Nagant... '

18:27:41 asciilifeform: (NYT, 2031)

18:29:45 deadweasel: mircea_popescu: from whence came that virtiol?

18:29:48 deadweasel: vitriol*

18:29:55 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=498002.msg5529878#msg5529878

18:29:56 ozbot: Calling out the Bitcoin Foundation Scam.

18:30:15 mircea_popescu: i have no idea, but it sounds like some pirate investment banker.

18:31:51 jcpham: if they really really knew gox was a shitshow 6 months ago...probably should've told someone

18:31:55 deadweasel: wow, that's ripe

18:31:57 deadweasel: thx

18:31:58 BingoBoingo: Probably have to be a pirate investment banker to remember all of the slurs

18:32:06 jcpham: but i didn't bother going to the forum

18:32:26 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo that was my logic.

18:32:36 asciilifeform: '... courtroom recording showed that the last verse of the multiplicand was, as witnesses had claimed, sung in unison by the beautiful young fork.'

18:32:54 benkay: asciilifeform have you been reading Pynchon lately or something?

18:33:00 asciilifeform: benkay: nope.

18:33:10 asciilifeform: just read 'shall be delivered' a year or so ago

18:33:15 asciilifeform: and now had occasion to remember.

18:33:16 benkay: he has good musical interludes.

18:33:52 benkay: you're approaching his degree of surreality in the musical numbers

18:33:59 asciilifeform: http://thewhet.net/2012/shall-be-delivered/

18:34:00 ozbot: Shall be Delivered | The Whet

18:34:04 benkay: oh, i'm familiar.

18:34:12 benkay: have you read Gravity's Rainbow?

18:34:17 asciilifeform: nope.

18:34:22 asciilifeform: tried to once, and barfed

18:34:34 benkay: snob

18:34:56 asciilifeform: i even own a little book on SNOBOL. so clearly.

18:35:06 mircea_popescu: hahaha

18:37:25 r3wt: ;;bcauth

18:37:25 gribble: (bcauth <nick>) -- Initiate authentication for user <nick>. You must have registered with the bot with a bitcoin address for this to work. You will be given a random passphrase to sign with your address, and submit to the bot with the 'bcverify' command. Your passphrase will expire within 10 minutes.

18:37:30 r3wt: ;;bcauth r3wt

18:37:30 gribble: Request successful for user r3wt, hostmask r3wt!add82c3d@gateway/web/freenode/ip. Your challenge string is: freenode:#bitcoin-otc:ea53a1cdfc650f1dad400d92a3cea88d4a1ac8960d422ac09a915b8c

18:37:39 asciilifeform: benkay: nothing surrealist or otherwise inaccessible sans-hallucinogens about the snippet above

18:37:49 asciilifeform: comparison with pynchon et al is unwarranted

18:38:05 asciilifeform: entirely logical premise, just like 'Delivered'

18:39:13 benkay: just the musical number.

18:40:06 asciilifeform: benkay: what, Modified Karatsuba Anthem?

18:40:29 asciilifeform: merely a way to multiply bignums using your 'language cortex', every child knows it

18:40:38 asciilifeform: (starting 2017, aha)

18:40:53 nubbins`: haven't read any pynchon

18:41:00 nubbins`: a friend did his thesis on the crying of lot 49

18:41:00 asciilifeform: me neither

18:42:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 123 @ 0.00445344 = 0.5478 BTC [-] {4}

18:43:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 460 @ 0.00436999 = 2.0102 BTC [-] {3}

18:43:52 asciilifeform: see, people laugh, but i intend to make that universe happen.

18:44:08 asciilifeform: lessee who laughs then

18:45:33 asciilifeform: wonder what the author of 'delivered' would answer to that.

18:46:54 nubbins`: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1zm1v5/today_i_logged_onto_my_computer_and_found_none_of/

18:46:54 ozbot: Today I logged onto my computer and found none of my bitcoins were stolen. : Bitcoin

18:46:55 BingoBoingo: "Much like Samson, asciilifeform had become the fork of the entire United States Supreme Court. Being of advanced age the Justices were no match for asciilifeform as he defeated each in success in the Singles combat described in the protocol for fork resolution."

18:46:57 nubbins`: lel, title says it all

18:49:15 BingoBoingo: The supreme court accepted no cases the following term after the court's decision that paper on ink is not an adequate signature.

18:50:03 mircea_popescu: not bad

18:51:09 mircea_popescu: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lyzr4whCAN1r9cf4co1_1280.jpg

18:51:16 mircea_popescu: new and improved scotus, post stan

18:51:39 mircea_popescu: (shirt means assent, no shirt dissent)

18:51:40 benkay: "What anointed property is bestowed upon “dollars” which, being absent from bitcoins, precludes their usefulness? If you would not even eat your supper without the government first giving you its blessing, then I feel sad for you, for you are truly under a dismal spell and, and suffer a strange kind of man-in-the-sky worship."

18:52:01 benkay: http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoins-biggest-challenge-educational-technical/

18:52:05 asciilifeform: ahaha

18:52:06 BingoBoingo: Briefs and documents to be filed in plaintext or AMS TeX

18:54:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6366 @ 0.0008311 = 5.2908 BTC [+]

18:55:22 nubbins`: http://journals.lww.com/jonmd/Abstract/publishahead/Safety_and_Efficacy_of_Lysergic_Acid.99925.aspx

18:55:22 ozbot: Safety and Efficacy of Lysergic Acid Diethylamide-Assisted P... : The Journal of Nervous and Ment

18:55:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20500 @ 0.00083004 = 17.0158 BTC [-] {3}

18:55:29 nubbins`: first controlled study of lsd in what, 40 years?

18:55:36 nubbins`: s/of/involving

18:56:00 mircea_popescu: i dunno, iconducted a few

18:56:03 mircea_popescu: i guess 1st published

18:56:45 BingoBoingo: State courts in Texas, Montana, and California have decisions vacated after cheap imitation Cardonos were issued to justices and their keys were solved. The resolution of their forks is ongoing.

18:57:08 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: cardanos? you clearly didn't read the intro carefully.

18:57:27 nubbins`: heh

18:57:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1036 @ 0.00082871 = 0.8585 BTC [-]

18:57:31 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what next, arithmometers?

18:57:35 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: but were they controlled?!

18:57:45 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Imitations, I.E they went to classical NSA approved competitor for device with a pretense of similar function

18:58:37 mircea_popescu: nubbins` im a control freak.

18:58:48 nubbins`: why did i even ask ;D

18:59:24 BingoBoingo: And what's really wrong with arithmometers? Workings are easy to verify.

18:59:55 asciilifeform: not as good as the 'anthem', where if one bit of result is off, it no longer rhymes.

19:00:20 BingoBoingo: Bugs in an arithmometers are correctable with Fresh brass embouches and a bastard file

19:00:45 asciilifeform: (if i could sing it to you, this would be an engineering project rather than a flight of imagination.)

19:03:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [MS] 40 @ 0.00298018 = 0.1192 BTC [+]

19:06:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [MS] 100 @ 0.00298018 = 0.298 BTC [+]

19:11:08 BingoBoingo: In other news Idiot aligns with Idiots, suprised when Idiot gets burned by fellow idiots http://two-bit-idiot.tumblr.com/post/78609330103/the-btc-foundations-power-struggle

19:15:01 mircea_popescu: lawl.

19:18:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00082647 = 6.9423 BTC [-] {3}

19:19:02 BingoBoingo: His reponse of aligning himself with still bigger idiots suggests further lulz ahead.

19:22:35 benkay: i had a lot of fun saying 'scam' at the local bitcoin enthusiast part last night

19:22:54 benkay: "ethereum?" "scam!" "mastercoin?" "scam!" "let me guess - bitcoin foundation?" "SCAM!"

19:23:16 mircea_popescu: lol

19:23:47 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the lulzy part is where he presents vouchings from... none other than... our friendly radiologist-in-training, one brian goss

19:23:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 21 @ 0.0425 = 0.8925 BTC [-] {2}

19:24:07 BingoBoingo: MyBitcoin 2.0

19:25:46 BingoBoingo: It is one thing to leak the Petagon papers. It is a road further though to leak the Pentagon papers and run for President on the credentials of having leaked the Pentagon papers.

19:26:37 BingoBoingo: This socialwebtwatter BBQ is really letting people lie far to much to themselves about their place.

19:27:03 mircea_popescu: word.

19:27:45 mircea_popescu: yet if you were to poll the "community", snowden'd be the most likely to succeed as chief of the USSS

19:27:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07689997 = 0.1538 BTC [-]

19:30:16 ThickAsThieves: oh geez, wsj bit http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/03/05/auroracoin-already-second-biggest-virtual-currency-and-its-not-even-out-yet

19:31:05 ThickAsThieves: they promote coinmarketcap the same day bitbet blacklists it

19:31:59 ThickAsThieves: cmon now "(This ranking excludes the digital currency Ripple, whose market cap of $1.6 billion does not make for a fair comparison. Most ripple coins are retained by the issuing entity under a centrally managed model that’s very different from the decentralized networks employed by other alt.coins.)"

19:32:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07005308 = 0.2802 BTC [-]

19:32:05 ThickAsThieves: like auroracoin?!

19:32:08 benkay: hysteresis

19:32:23 benkay: mainstream catches up to scams just as scamwatch nukes 'em

19:32:52 BingoBoingo: I imagine BitBet is going to have to blacklist the WSJ as a source nao

19:33:00 jcpham: ripple!

19:33:32 ThickAsThieves: "Its creator, who goes under the pseudonym of Baldur Friggjar Odinsson,"

19:33:46 mircea_popescu: benkay hysteresis indeed

19:33:54 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo no it already was

19:34:10 ThickAsThieves: As for the pseudonym – a tactic reminiscent of that of Bitcoin’s mysterious, unidentified creator, Satoshi Nakamoto, auroracoin’s founder says, “The agents of the state will attack anyone challenging their power, so I chose a name from Norse mythology to shield myself from such attacks.”

19:34:22 ThickAsThieves: lol

19:34:50 asciilifeform: he'll be plugged with a mistletoe arrow ?

19:36:16 benkay: i'll play loki

19:36:28 *: benkay hucks dart

19:39:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10013 @ 0.00082722 = 8.283 BTC [+]

19:39:12 asciilifeform: aahaaa http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/sat-to-drop-essay-requirement-and-return-to-top-score-of-1600-in-redesign-of-admission-test/2014/03/05/2aa9eee4-a46a-11e3-8466-d34c451760b9_story.html

19:39:46 asciilifeform: '....college admission test.... a major overhaul intended to open doors to higher education for students who are now shut out.'

19:39:59 mircea_popescu: so it's no longer measuring anything at lal.

19:40:23 ThickAsThieves: "will dwell less on fancy vocabulary" obviously

19:40:29 ThickAsThieves: fancy?

19:40:50 mircea_popescu: so none of that faggoty complex words and whatnot

19:41:22 ThickAsThieves: anything difficult or inconvenient is now fancy

19:42:07 mircea_popescu: shorter word.

19:42:09 ThickAsThieves: fancy jobs for fancy people with fancy cars and fancy coins

19:42:14 mircea_popescu: fancy that!

19:43:49 nubbins`: tickles *my* fancy

19:43:59 ThickAsThieves: and fancy is only in it's infancy

19:44:31 ThickAsThieves: its

19:45:41 ThickAsThieves: http://techcrunch.com/2014/03/05/congressman-calls-to-ban-u-s-dollar-in-response-to-bitcoin-ban/

19:45:42 ozbot: Congressman Calls To Ban U.S. Dollar In Response To Plea For Bitcoin Ban | TechCrunch

19:45:44 ThickAsThieves: yuss

19:46:16 ThickAsThieves: “The clear use of dollar bills for transacting in illegal goods, anonymous transactions, tax fraud, and services or speculative gambling make me wary of their use. Before the United States gets too far behind the curve on this important topic, I urge the regulators to work together, act quickly, and prohibit this dangerous currency from harming hard-working Americans,” said Polis.

19:46:45 the20year2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TMTgbDAS-c

19:46:46 ozbot: Final Rehab Video for Mill street - YouTube

19:47:02 the20year2: There's the final rehab video for a property we just got done. Total cost to investors was $62.5k

19:47:30 ThickAsThieves: shouldnt total cost be communicated in bitcoins spent?

19:48:04 the20year2: Well, otherwise it was about 100btc

19:50:33 asciilifeform: 'Experts say SAT scores have long been strongly correlated to family income, a dynamic the College Board hopes to shake up.'

19:51:23 mike_c: they want to shake up the correlation between higher income and better education?

19:51:38 mike_c: start smacking rich kids in the head on birth?

19:51:55 kakobrekla: mike_c you rang m'lord?

19:51:57 asciilifeform: 'harrison bergeron' (k. vonnegut)

19:52:56 ThickAsThieves: they want to shake it up by maksing that it exists

19:53:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-]

19:54:06 ThickAsThieves: which if they succeed might just result in the discriminating colleges using more discriminating methods

19:55:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.08900166 = 0.534 BTC [-] {2}

19:56:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07005308 = 0.1401 BTC [-]

19:58:45 kakobrekla: http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com < there you have it, props to pankkake .

20:00:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27066 @ 0.00082595 = 22.3552 BTC [-] {3}

20:00:54 bitcoinpete: nicely done, and howdy

20:01:40 bitcoinpete: and ty kindly for the "subscriptions" mention

20:01:47 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: wait what's the new piece ?

20:02:06 kakobrekla: hum?

20:02:14 mike_c: very cool. love the keyboard shortcuts.

20:02:26 asciilifeform: in the link

20:02:29 kakobrekla: mike_c pankake did it

20:02:47 kakobrekla: asciilifeform last blog post from benkay ?

20:02:51 mircea_popescu: lol polis is cool.

20:03:32 mircea_popescu: mike_c it's unfair for richer people to afford better things. consequently, nobody wants to get rich anymore, and economy stops.

20:03:43 mircea_popescu: whoops, who could have foreseen this problem ><

20:04:39 mike_c: 'correlation found between lambos and higher income. gov't plans to correct this'

20:05:02 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg5527318#msg5527318

20:05:04 ozbot: [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings

20:05:08 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves any merit to all that ?

20:05:09 asciilifeform: mike_c: new product to address this Great Product: TrabamBourghini

20:05:16 mircea_popescu: ahahahaha

20:05:16 asciilifeform: trabant engine, plastic body

20:05:17 mircea_popescu: o god

20:05:30 asciilifeform: *Problem

20:05:37 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i spilled. trabambourghini is like the best car name ever

20:05:50 asciilifeform: ye heard it here phurst.

20:06:23 mircea_popescu: http://acidcow.com/pics/25481-super-hungry-pig-5-pics.html

20:06:25 ozbot: Pig Eating a Car (5 pics)

20:06:29 assbot: Last 20 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1691452/plain/)

20:06:29 kakobrekla: !b 20

20:07:28 asciilifeform: Trambo, short.

20:07:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 43 @ 0.02010767 = 0.8646 BTC [-] {6}

20:07:42 mircea_popescu: so the owner is a trabambourgher ?

20:07:50 Namworld: [15:03] <mircea_popescu> mike_c it's unfair for richer people to afford better things. consequently, nobody wants to get rich anymore, and economy stops.

20:08:01 Namworld: Thank you. Sums it well.

20:08:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07699996 = 0.77 BTC [+] {4}

20:09:51 asciilifeform: people seriously misunderstand why trabant was a laugh

20:10:12 asciilifeform: it wasn't simply because it was a plywood jalopy with a grass cutter engine.

20:10:16 bitcoinpete: because you had to wait a decade for one?

20:10:24 asciilifeform: rather, because it was a car for people who can't afford car.

20:10:37 bitcoinpete: like the CarPlay thing

20:10:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3976 @ 0.00082391 = 3.2759 BTC [-]

20:10:41 asciilifeform: sorta like an automotive altcoin

20:11:31 Namworld: If people are paid as much as they produce, then there's the choice of not doing anything, or wasting effort for no profit. Economy doesn't runs and we return to self-sufficience (where everyone can finally be "paid" as much as they produce, literally.

20:11:35 mod6: this was posted in -otc: http://techcrunch.com/2014/03/05/congressman-calls-to-ban-u-s-dollar-in-response-to-bitcoin-ban/

20:11:49 asciilifeform: no one bothers to laugh at chinese moto-rickshaw, because it doesn't pretend to be a car

20:12:09 bitcoinpete: probably why the tata nano failed

20:12:32 ThickAsThieves: <mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves any merit to all that ? /// i'm not sure i even understand what that is. The thread isn't moderated, but maybe someone reported a sock ot something? I had the poster on ignore already fwiw

20:12:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 54 @ 0.0055 = 0.297 BTC {2}

20:14:45 mircea_popescu: well some drama i have no diea

20:14:56 ThickAsThieves: i think its just socks socking socks

20:18:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4750 @ 0.00082391 = 3.9136 BTC [-]

20:22:13 deadweasel: hey I heard you like socks, so I put some sock in your sock, on some socks. they're in your laundry basket. derp.

20:22:30 deadweasel: the forums are festering with it

20:22:51 deadweasel: course I only go there when links are dropped here for humor.

20:24:47 deadweasel: ha, just overheard our designer say '

20:24:59 deadweasel: You're preaching to a deaf choir' i don't even....

20:32:18 benkay: ;;lasers

20:32:19 gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*

20:37:59 jurov: ;;bc,stats

20:38:03 gribble: Current Blocks: 289085 | Current Difficulty: 3.81572379881463E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 290303 | Next Difficulty In: 1218 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 17 hours, and 45 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 3974059069.89 | Estimated Percent Change: 4.14955

20:40:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14750 @ 0.00082586 = 12.1814 BTC [+] {3}

20:40:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 134 @ 0.00555348 = 0.7442 BTC [-] {7}

20:40:48 ThickAsThieves: pretty small change

20:41:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 916 @ 0.00517851 = 4.7435 BTC [-] {8}

20:41:12 ThickAsThieves: http://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/difficulty says 15%

20:41:18 ThickAsThieves: sorry 12%

20:43:48 mircea_popescu: benkay i dunno how much stock i can put in your branson=businessman theory

20:44:10 mircea_popescu: seeing how his main contribution is branson's guide to making a small fortune from air travel

20:44:19 mircea_popescu: ("start with a big one")

20:45:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 303 @ 0.005 = 1.515 BTC [-] {3}

20:46:46 bitcoinpete: branson seems more to invite other entrepreneurs to start companies and rent the virgin name

20:47:01 bitcoinpete: then break off subsidiaries when they get too big

20:47:22 bitcoinpete: all while he bungee jumps, etc

20:50:09 benkay: i dunno he seems to have stacked some piles of fiat

20:51:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07699999 = 0.154 BTC [-]

20:51:21 BingoBoingo: So did Madonna and PT Barnum

20:52:00 benkay: yeah huh how did he pile all that up

20:52:56 BingoBoingo: The Circus bsns

20:53:21 benkay: ah well, back to javascript hell

20:55:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2459 @ 0.00082391 = 2.026 BTC [-]

20:55:43 bitcoinpete: On the recent theme:

20:55:44 bitcoinpete: http://worldpulse.com/campaigns/www/www-women-weave-the-web-campaign-prizes

20:55:45 ozbot: WWW: Women Weave the Web Campaign Prizes and Opportunities | World Pulse

21:00:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21728 @ 0.00082841 = 17.9997 BTC [+] {3}

21:03:18 nubbins`: on hold with ebay for 25 minutes now

21:03:26 nubbins`: i pity the poor fucker who ends up answering

21:03:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.13051754 BTC [-]

21:03:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.00082391 = 9.6397 BTC [-]

21:06:31 mircea_popescu: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6sx6psCfB1ru15g3o1_500.jpg

21:10:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 29 @ 0.00447994 = 0.1299 BTC [+]

21:12:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04298 = 0.1289 BTC [+]

21:14:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.04299999 = 0.215 BTC [+]

21:15:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.00082391 = 11.2052 BTC [-]

21:32:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.00447994 = 0.2464 BTC [+]

21:33:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.00566001 = 0.1698 BTC [-]

21:39:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 927 @ 0.00082859 = 0.7681 BTC [+]

21:44:58 deadweasel: mod6: that article is so full of misrepresentations and misunderstandings... there isn't anything there. at all.

21:45:14 benkay: another one of yours, mircea_popescu?

21:45:22 mircea_popescu: na

21:45:26 deadweasel: http://techcrunch.com/2014/03/05/congressman-calls-to-ban-u-s-dollar-in-response-to-bitcoin-ban/

21:45:27 ozbot: Congressman Calls To Ban U.S. Dollar In Response To Plea For Bitcoin Ban | TechCrunch

21:45:29 deadweasel: so lame, hurts to read

21:45:39 deadweasel: i'm physically hurting right now

21:45:40 mircea_popescu: deadweasel this is like the 3rd time today you know

21:45:44 mod6: sorry. just was like 'heh'

21:45:59 deadweasel: nope

21:48:39 deadweasel: frankly I'm saving the logs for when one of you enterprising fucks puts consolidates and puts them into a book, as a sort of People Guide to the History of Bitcoin.

21:48:53 deadweasel: damn words.

21:49:36 deadweasel: also, apparently, I could use an engrish teacher.

21:51:01 mircea_popescu: it's hopeless, there's like 10-20k pages already

21:51:24 mircea_popescu: 50 fucking volumes for a coupla years ?

21:52:13 deadweasel: no no, highlights, tell it as a story, connected, but with the cruft removed.

21:52:31 deadweasel: like a book of letters, highly edited for cruft

21:52:49 deadweasel: you could sell an elite version with PMs that people donate.

21:53:00 deadweasel: wait no, verification impossibru

21:53:17 Mats_cd03: you could if you verified with both parties

21:53:59 mircea_popescu: basically this could feed 50-100 english major chicks.

21:54:20 mircea_popescu: i guess you gotta do something with the ones not pretty enough to dance nude in the street.

21:54:21 Mats_cd03: a book about bitcoin would suck anyway

21:54:51 mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 sorta like books about the 60s. they sucked balls, but as the people who were actually involved went senile,

21:54:53 deadweasel: everyone deserves a shot, no? plus, she may write the story so well you want to fuck her.

21:55:04 mircea_popescu: the 2nd generation had no idea so it all seemed great to them

21:55:11 Mats_cd03: dudes in chat rooms talking about cryptography and gettin monitor tans

21:55:32 mircea_popescu: as opposed to what ?

21:55:34 Mats_cd03: i promise you once the average person sees the word cryptography theyre going to put the book down

21:55:38 deadweasel: considering what the forum consumes, i think it'd be a hit.

21:55:59 deadweasel: fuck, Mats_cd03 i see your point

21:56:01 mircea_popescu: average person ? what the fuck is this, the libertard dystopia ?

21:56:16 mircea_popescu: i never heard anyone rejecting a book idea on the grounds that goats wouldn't read it.

21:56:17 deadweasel: it's all in the editing.

21:56:22 deadweasel: yhou could have a techno savvy version

21:56:26 deadweasel: a laymans version

21:56:41 deadweasel: all edited. laymans version gets different edits

21:56:50 deadweasel: a drama version

21:56:52 deadweasel: a troll version

21:56:58 deadweasel: a shockdoc version

21:56:59 mircea_popescu: a french version...

21:57:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.08901005 = 0.178 BTC [+] {2}

21:58:35 CheckDavid: Mats_cd03: I won't put the book down but I won't understand much of what's next either

21:58:57 deadweasel: that's IRC for ya

21:59:11 Mats_cd03: lets face it, most people would have to read a book before reading _that_ book

21:59:26 mod6: srsly

21:59:28 deadweasel: depends on the editing, but you have a point

21:59:43 deadweasel: introductary version would sell the most copies then.

22:01:09 Mats_cd03: someone in this channel could write the book

22:01:27 Mats_cd03: whichever of you has been here the longest and is unemployed

22:02:09 deadweasel: ummm, there might be a few more requirements

22:02:32 deadweasel: mpoe-pr should do it along with all her other womanly duties.

22:03:18 Mats_cd03: sounds like a shit job

22:03:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04299999 = 0.129 BTC [+]

22:03:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 145 @ 0.00433449 = 0.6285 BTC [-] {8}

22:03:54 deadweasel: lol, affliate program: http://www.idiotsguidetobitcoin.com/

22:03:57 Mats_cd03: who wants to read forum comments by teenagers for hours as research

22:04:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2055 @ 0.00421645 = 8.6648 BTC [-] {14}

22:04:34 deadweasel: definitely not this guy: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=183728.0

22:05:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3358 @ 0.00082903 = 2.7839 BTC [+]

22:05:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 320 @ 0.0042 = 1.344 BTC [-] {3}

22:06:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 3832 @ 0.00410031 = 15.7124 BTC [-] {12}

22:06:52 Mats_cd03: a topic-specific book would definitely be good though

22:07:06 Mats_cd03: i think the community needs it

22:07:25 Mats_cd03: something cohesive like "bitcoin personal security for dummies"

22:07:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2048 @ 0.00401424 = 8.2212 BTC [-] {8}

22:07:57 deadweasel: oh man, this thing is dead to me already. i have the log. fuck it.

22:08:21 deadweasel: no time for bookmaking of anykind.

22:09:45 Mats_cd03: id write it if making books was a profitable activity

22:12:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 772 @ 0.00400015 = 3.0881 BTC [-] {7}

22:13:06 mircea_popescu: there is no such thing as security for dummies

22:13:25 mircea_popescu: what's next, dating for the narcisistic and hygiene for the lazy ?

22:13:37 mike_c: BingoBoingo already wrote that.

22:13:40 mike_c: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/pgpgpg-guide/

22:13:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 15000 @ 0.004 = 60 BTC [-]

22:13:42 ozbot: PGP/GPG Guide | Bingo Blog

22:14:11 mike_c: print it, bind it, become rich.

22:15:13 GNULinuxGuy: has there been some news about neobee recently or something?

22:15:33 mircea_popescu: notrly.

22:16:01 asciilifeform: a physicist (forget which) who took to writing 'general interest' books, was told by his publisher 'every equation you throw in will cut sales in half'

22:16:14 asciilifeform: (might've been penrose, now that i think about it)

22:16:21 GNULinuxGuy: buy op? ;)

22:16:29 mircea_popescu: unless you count stuff like http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2014#539868

22:16:57 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so the first 1-200 are the hardest then

22:17:06 mircea_popescu: after that's smooth sailin'.

22:17:10 asciilifeform: ahaha

22:18:12 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: If the text in question was http://www.roadsolutions.ox.ac.uk/ I have it sitting on a shelf

22:18:27 asciilifeform: yeah might've been that one

22:21:20 BingoBoingo: It kept an adequate number of equations for a book with chapter titles like "Manifolds of n dimensions"

22:22:41 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this tome will not be burying Landau, but it's an acceptable bait to whet an amateur's interest, i'd imagine.

22:24:16 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Probably. Is an interesting read.

22:24:45 asciilifeform: which one of you people spoke of reading landau in french? was it mp?

22:27:57 mircea_popescu: prolly.

22:29:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59865 BTC [+]

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22:31:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.60899666 = 1.827 BTC [+] {3}

22:33:48 kakobrekla: https://static.pinboard.in/webstock_2014.htm

22:34:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.00574989 = 0.1092 BTC [+] {3}

22:34:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 61 @ 0.00399979 = 0.244 BTC [-] {2}

22:34:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07699999 = 0.231 BTC [-]

22:35:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.08999999 = 0.36 BTC [+] {2}

22:35:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 101 @ 0.00574996 = 0.5807 BTC [+] {4}

22:35:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04299999 = 0.129 BTC [+]

22:35:52 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: good intro.

22:35:52 bitcoinpete: http://mashable.com/2014/03/05/snowden-phone/?utm_cid=mash-com-Tw-main-link

22:35:52 ozbot: The 'Snowden Phone' Will Encrypt All Your Calls and Texts

22:36:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 41 @ 0.00574999 = 0.2357 BTC [+] {3}

22:36:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04299999 = 0.129 BTC [+]

22:36:18 bitcoinpete: Still Samsung, so how do they unroot?

22:36:38 asciilifeform: re: phone: zimmerman was 'lowered into pederasty'

22:37:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.00574999 = 0.1437 BTC [+]

22:37:36 asciilifeform: eventually i will deal with this subject in writing, unless mp takes up this chore in my place.

22:39:01 asciilifeform: lev termen was a true inventor

22:39:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2642 @ 0.0008275 = 2.1863 BTC [-]

22:39:16 asciilifeform: no one alive today is even fit to suck his decomposed cocke

22:39:33 asciilifeform: at least, with regards to invention

22:42:12 bitcoinpete: cool

22:49:50 asciilifeform: he's #2 on my list of folks who probably had the waveguide motor. (after the obvious candidate nick t.)

22:51:34 bitcoinpete: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/early-classical-revival-websites-do-not-a-bitcoin-bank-make/

22:51:35 ozbot: Early Classical Revival Websites Do Not A Bitcoin Bank Make | When Bitcoin Met Pete

22:51:59 bitcoinpete: On the recent Flexcoin oopsie. He's a local kid, met him a few months back.

22:52:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 106 @ 0.00441611 = 0.4681 BTC [-] {5}

22:54:42 jborkl: Went to the bitcoin conference today, figured might as well since it is here at home

22:55:01 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, others: if you think that the enemy is foolish, and has no plan, this is a dangerous mistake: he is clever and knows the ancient chinese formula 'Yi yi zhi yi' (以夷治夷 ?) - 'control the barbarians using barbarians.'

22:55:11 jborkl: Don't worry, no one missed anything

22:55:26 asciilifeform: gox, flexcoin, bitcoinica, etc. are what lenin called 'useful idiots'

22:55:45 asciilifeform: useful idiots do not need to know who they soldiers for.

22:55:50 asciilifeform: *they are

23:04:55 kakobrekla: asciilifeform the whole piece aint bad

23:06:12 asciilifeform: the 'time microscope' thing is typical of aging inventors who, by virtue of being cut off from competent peers (either by having none alive, or being on the wrong side of a jail of one kind or another)

23:06:27 asciilifeform: end up flying off untethered into strange

23:06:44 asciilifeform: e.g. tesla's 'ghost telegraph'

23:07:34 kakobrekla: i guess misconception add up over the years

23:07:51 kakobrekla: misconceptions*

23:07:52 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: i don't think this is it at all

23:08:06 kakobrekla: no?

23:08:32 asciilifeform: rather, this is more like the folks who send binders full of crackpot proofs to maths profs today

23:09:03 asciilifeform: if you're unable to interact with an actual community of your peers, you tend to go way off in some strange direction

23:09:13 asciilifeform: sometimes, with interesting results, more often - with none

23:09:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 27 @ 0.00391018 = 0.1056 BTC [-] {3}

23:10:18 asciilifeform: another thing about aging inventors

23:10:30 asciilifeform: when they become anxious to carry out a 'last hurrah,'

23:10:50 asciilifeform: the mechanism in their heads that is needed to dis-invest in an unproductive line of inquiry breaks.

23:11:17 asciilifeform: 'this ghost telegraph! it'll be what i'm remembered for! just needs a little tweaking.'

23:11:37 kakobrekla: heh, good points.

23:11:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07023011 = 0.2809 BTC [-] {2}

23:11:59 asciilifeform: another similar, but distinct phenomenon is

23:12:13 asciilifeform: people who regularly have ideas usually have fat notebooks full of strange

23:12:30 cazalla: asciilifeform: what's a ghost telegraph? i cannot find anything on google

23:12:33 asciilifeform: when these get published posthumously, quite a bit of strange is revealed

23:12:57 asciilifeform: e.g. karl friedrich gauss had a big fat binder that contained, among other things, both types of non-euclidean geometry.

23:13:07 asciilifeform: but it also had a good bit of crap.

23:14:14 asciilifeform: cazalla: e.g. http://anengineersaspect.blogspot.com/2013/02/life-after-death-according-to-nikola.html

23:14:26 asciilifeform: hard to find good material about an inventor's 'dwarf star' phase

23:14:38 asciilifeform: because the real demented folks inevitably pick it up and add flourishes of their own

23:14:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07010561 = 0.2804 BTC [-] {3}

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23:15:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 80 @ 0.0039101 = 0.3128 BTC [-] {3}

23:16:11 asciilifeform: some 'idea people' don't have these 'coffin liner' binders

23:16:16 asciilifeform: they just publish everything

23:16:18 asciilifeform: and tend to end badly.

23:16:43 asciilifeform: oliver heaviside's notebooks, it is said, stoked a furnace for many years.

23:18:06 asciilifeform: heaviside, the fellow who turned maxwell's equations from 23 in about that many unknowns, into the 4 that we learn in school.

23:18:58 asciilifeform: (and coughed up terms like 'impedence')

23:21:14 asciilifeform: re: invention, for the impatient:

23:21:40 asciilifeform: the greatest heroes who ever lived, who none of us are fit even to be beheaded by, had terrible signal-to-noise ratios

23:21:44 asciilifeform: because that's simply how it works.

23:21:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00082548 = 10.236 BTC [-]

23:22:15 cazalla: i wonder if people are testing his hypothesis

23:22:26 asciilifeform: the most one can hope for is to get one or two major ideas 'out'

23:22:47 asciilifeform: how? see mp's little piece about 'art'

23:23:16 cazalla: in the binders full of crackpot writings as you mentioned

23:23:48 asciilifeform: if you dive into the binders, you're almost certainly doomed to be lost in the noise

23:24:28 asciilifeform: if you don't believe this, get thee to a dusty book store and buy bucky fuller's 'synergetics' I and II

23:24:33 asciilifeform: that was his coffin notebook

23:24:44 asciilifeform: that some lost soul printed up

23:25:11 asciilifeform: more or less unreadable - as they tend to be, using 1000s of terms known only to the dead man

23:25:23 asciilifeform: after all, he was writing for his own self

23:26:51 asciilifeform: you can try to read this stuff and make sense of it, but more often than not you'll just be 'rorschaching' your own mind.

23:26:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00082433 = 9.2325 BTC [-] {3}

23:27:15 asciilifeform: there are so many blanks for imagination to fill in, you'll mostly be reading the contents of the blanks.

23:34:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7400 @ 0.00082973 = 6.14 BTC [+] {3}

23:40:14 kakobrekla: http://blog.tian.io/bitstamp-was-hacked-2-weeks-ago-and-only-now-users-are-finding-out

23:40:14 ozbot: Bitstamp was hacked 2 weeks ago, and only now users are finding out - tian's posthaven

23:40:30 asciilifeform: RIP.

23:41:14 kakobrekla: i dont think i have to repeat myself re bitstamp.

23:42:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00082391 = 7.9095 BTC [-]

23:43:40 cads: hrm

23:44:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 45 @ 0.00419947 = 0.189 BTC [-] {2}

23:44:16 cads: I know how to sell basic drafting services, but I need to sell some product/industrial design services and I'm not sure how to price it to the client

23:44:31 BingoBoingo: Two cans, One String

23:44:32 cads: nor am I sure how to structure the IP rights of the result

23:44:56 kakobrekla: BingoBoingo and a lot of gold.

23:45:13 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: two pounds of shit, one-pound bag.

23:45:18 kakobrekla: http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=79

23:45:19 ozbot: #bitcoin-assets bash

23:45:29 BingoBoingo: Ah there it is

23:45:38 cads: the device is a wearable rapsberry pi PC case with an eyeglass display

23:46:34 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: There are worse things to step in than shit.

23:46:53 bitcoinpete: cads: $GoogleGlass-$1

23:46:53 BingoBoingo: An aqueous solution of hydrogen flouride would be an example

23:49:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.00419947 = 0.105 BTC [-] {3}

23:49:17 bitcoinpete: On the exchange side, that leaves a couple Canadians, CaVirtex mostly, with a sprinkling of Quadriga and Vault of Satoshi.

23:49:21 bitcoinpete: What price discovery?

23:49:51 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

23:50:04 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 668.74, vol: 12773.06091168 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 654.111, vol: 11418.23508 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 668.1, vol: 8398.25382776 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 680.23, vol: 44.07164922 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 652.631904, vol: 8042.55200000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 680.99, vol: 5.23012654 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 663.99055, vol: 70.66675492 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)

23:50:28 BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: BTC price is now mystical

23:51:14 BingoBoingo: BTC will probably keep selling between $600 to $1000 for a while until suckers selling under $1000 have no coins to part with so cheaply

23:52:10 BingoBoingo: From that point BTC price becomes truly etherial

23:52:39 BingoBoingo: People start talking in hushed tones about that time when they once controlled a WHOLE Bitcoin

23:52:58 jcpham: omg you have a whole bitcoin!>!!?!?

23:53:05 thestrin1puller: LOLOLOLOLOLOL

23:53:17 bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: This time next year

23:53:27 ThickAsThieves: End of summer

23:53:42 BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: Maybe May? Maybe December 2016

23:54:52 bitcoinpete: That would make quite the bitbet

23:55:00 ThickAsThieves: we'll consolidate, everyone will be like oh now that bitcoin is stable it's so great, then July/Aug, liftoff to like $3000+

23:55:13 ThickAsThieves: then crash again in winter

23:55:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.08999 = 0.18 BTC [-]

23:55:25 BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: The problem with betting on the etherial is where to source the information

23:55:47 ThickAsThieves: remember you don't need an index, just a source

23:55:55 ThickAsThieves: specified

23:56:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7282 @ 0.00083095 = 6.051 BTC [+] {2}

23:56:56 BingoBoingo: Well, the WSJ is blacklisted as is Coinmarket.BBQ

23:57:31 bitcoinpete: bingoboingo: that's where I was going

23:57:49 bitcoinpete: it's self-referencing

23:57:58 ThickAsThieves: so add if/thens

23:58:18 ThickAsThieves: price according to Bitstamp,Coinbase,Kraken

23:58:28 ThickAsThieves: in that order,whomever is still living

23:58:48 BingoBoingo: Isn't Kraken a scam, BitStamp two cans, and Coinbase not an exchange?

23:58:57 ThickAsThieves: so

23:59:00 ThickAsThieves: a bet is a bet

23:59:18 bitcoinpete: Have a list of 10 if need be

23:59:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] [PAID] 11.96371260 BTC to 19`796 shares, 60435 satoshi per share

23:59:27 BingoBoingo: Only reasonable source might be BitcoinCentral

23:59:34 BingoBoingo: Because davout

23:59:41 ThickAsThieves: what if davout dies

23:59:58 ThickAsThieves: every source has a chance of being invalid