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00:00:08 Adlai: that site overloads my undesirable crackpot filters with false positives before ocr has even returned a single line

00:00:15 trinque: lol

00:00:29 nubbins`: Adlai what does http://thebitcoin.foundation, http://mpex.co do to your crackpot filters

00:00:39 nubbins`: http://berkshirehathaway.com even

00:00:41 assbot: BERKSHIRE HATHAWAY INC. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MR6r3j )

00:01:14 Adlai: all three of those say "geeks signaling non-geeks to stay away", rather than "timecube dissertation"

00:01:32 trinque: I agree thebitcoin.foundation needs more timecube.

00:01:33 Adlai: at the end of the day, nothing that (a little|complete removal of) css can't fix

00:02:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.00027559 = 1.8189 BTC [-]

00:03:08 nubbins`: heh

00:06:12 trinque: so here's another badly formed question; what kind of experience empties the HN poster's mind of its bad model?

00:07:38 trinque: a chi power "fighter" getting beaten to a pulp by an MMA fighter, that sort of situation comes to mind

00:15:29 ben_vulpes: oh man

00:15:32 *: ben_vulpes goes off to find videos

00:21:18 ben_vulpes: gentoo quest prelude

00:21:49 ben_vulpes: "...ben_vulpes finally kicked off a kernel compile.

00:21:56 ben_vulpes: ~FIN DU PRELUDE~

00:21:58 ben_vulpes: "

00:24:06 trinque: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wd7M4H0b62k << couple pops to the head and the guy's learned something whether he wanted to or not

00:24:07 assbot: Incredible fight between a Kiai master and a MMA fighter - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1MRapsB )

00:24:17 trinque: dunno about "incredible" there

00:24:48 trinque: maybe incredible that he thought his spirit-energy dancing was a thing

00:25:04 trinque: so maybe hierarchial leadership is the most humane arrangement, as well as the most sensible

00:25:45 trinque: someone to bop you on the head that maybe still wants you around, vs letting reality do it, which doesn't care if you survive the lesson

00:25:54 ben_vulpes: nubbins`: from bcp: "--unix-lines \n Make sure that all copied files use Unix style line endings." << hyuu

00:27:01 nubbins`: o.O

00:37:11 mats: i just beat Stockfish 6 (chess engine) and im in shock

00:37:29 mircea_popescu: wd.

00:38:05 mircea_popescu: Adlai there's no such thing as "the reality of a society"

00:38:13 BingoBoingo: mats: Well done

00:38:20 mircea_popescu: yes, he's in touch with the *fashions* of his society.

00:38:26 mircea_popescu: this is about as stupid and sterile as it sounds.

00:40:02 BingoBoingo: mats: How much power and time did you allow it?

00:44:03 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089010 interesting.

00:44:03 assbot: Logged on 05-04-2015 00:01:14; Adlai: all three of those say "geeks signaling non-geeks to stay away", rather than "timecube dissertation"

00:44:36 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089015 << models are not optional and people can't generally be helped.

00:44:36 assbot: Logged on 05-04-2015 00:06:12; trinque: so here's another badly formed question; what kind of experience empties the HN poster's mind of its bad model?

00:45:01 mircea_popescu: if you actually love him you can try slavery, but this works exclusively on the thin set of people who understand deeply they suck

00:45:05 mircea_popescu: which are mostly women anyway.

00:50:31 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089023 << lmao wtf is this bs.

00:50:31 assbot: Logged on 05-04-2015 00:24:06; trinque: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wd7M4H0b62k << couple pops to the head and the guy's learned something whether he wanted to or not

00:51:51 mircea_popescu: but speaking of this, i recall the lulzfest of the "consensus" in the 50s to 90s about how you know, striking is the way to go.

00:52:16 mircea_popescu: then chokes showed up and for a good decade people were all "no dude, there is a shaolin monk somewhere that can hit your spirit!!11"

00:52:26 trinque: lol

00:52:36 trinque: the best part of that vid is watching the students dance around as if hit

00:52:40 mircea_popescu: nuts.

00:52:49 mircea_popescu: practically speaking, vc.

00:52:55 mats: BingoBoingo: ~12000 kn/s, 30s time control

00:54:34 BingoBoingo: mats: cool

01:00:53 mats: pretty sure i had cosmic aid. this is my first win in over a hundred attempts

01:01:44 ben_vulpes: eh, statistics at that number.

01:09:49 BingoBoingo: I'd really like to see stockfish running on its maximally supported hardware

01:17:00 BingoBoingo: 128 cores, 1 TB of ram for the transposition table...

01:23:51 mats: my sibling recommended i seek counseling because of my "obsession with beating chess computers and the end of the world"

01:25:46 decimation: mircea_popescu: re: libnss < I think it has its roots in solaris

01:26:19 decimation: it kinda makes sense in its own retarded way - say you want to use sun's 'nis' rather than dns for name resolution

01:26:24 decimation: or some combination of the above

01:26:59 decimation: but I can try to do some digging

01:59:26 decimation: re: democracy < http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2015/02/michael_munger_1.html < Mike Munger has an alternate approach to conclusion that democracy is fucked

01:59:28 assbot: " + soundfiledesc + " ... ( http://bit.ly/1awqu61 )

02:00:22 decimation: "o place is. No place that survives is majoritarian. That's what is striking, is, all countries that survive have what are in effect ways of controlling this problem. And so the insight that comes from this is, you can explain what look like odd institutions because--no one may have understood it. This is a very Hayekian point--no one may have understood that they are getting stability from this. They are getting a determinate choice.

02:00:24 decimation: Now, it may be arbitrary. But they are getting what looks like a determinate choice because the alternative is chaos."

02:05:13 mircea_popescu: decimation so if i want to use nis i compile it.

02:06:15 mircea_popescu: mats seems reasonable.

02:06:32 mircea_popescu: i dunno who sane still plays chess. might as well "play" hanoi towers, it's closer to compulsion than anything.

02:08:09 mats: well. #b-a gets to share credit for the latter.

02:10:11 mats: (the end of the world)

02:10:12 mircea_popescu: world ain't ending tho.

02:10:15 Adlai: iirc it was norvig who called sudoku "a ddos attack on the human intellect", although it may be more like a pack of hyenas preying on the stragglers

02:10:38 Adlai: whereas chess... now that is a ddos attack on all levels of human intellect

02:10:42 mircea_popescu: which one is sudoku ? theone that is taking over the idiots that used to do crossword puzzles ?

02:11:19 Adlai: it's latin squares translated to toki pona

02:11:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00027628 = 1.2709 BTC [+]

02:11:53 mircea_popescu: heh. speaking of norvig : http://www.norvig.com/Gettysburg/sld001.htm

02:11:54 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1C35qK9 )

02:15:16 mircea_popescu: http://feminist-fucktoy.tumblr.com/post/115209428580/oh-my-god-im-so-sorry-i-indeed-am-on-my-mobile

02:15:17 assbot: Yes, feminists can be fucktoys too! ... ( http://bit.ly/1awsVpp )

02:15:17 mircea_popescu: heh

02:18:48 BingoBoingo: Eh, chess is an entertainment like any other now that the machines won

02:26:27 mircea_popescu: well sure.

02:26:31 mircea_popescu: then you don't really care if you win

02:27:33 BingoBoingo: Right.

02:28:04 BingoBoingo: It's freeing. Allows for experimenting with more interesting styles of play.

02:54:56 decimation: it is apparently possible to create a static glibc

02:55:18 decimation: I'm not sure if it completely solves the nss issue though

02:56:23 mircea_popescu: easy enough to try no ? recipe published.

02:57:29 nubbins`: so i used BCP to strip out all of the boost shit that's not needed for bitcoind

02:57:44 nubbins`: got up to this point: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=E8S0bNRy

02:57:45 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MRzDaw )

02:58:11 nubbins`: this is cross-compiling for pogo

03:01:41 mircea_popescu: seems libcrypto's broken ?

03:03:20 mircea_popescu: do you have libcrypto.so ?

03:07:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30003 @ 0.00027049 = 8.1155 BTC [-] {2}

03:13:22 nubbins`: .so would be the shared lib, .a is static -- looks like libcrypto.a is complaining

03:13:29 nubbins`: /home/nubs/dev/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/ourlibs/lib/libcrypto.a(dso_dlfcn.o): undefined reference to symbol 'dlerror'

03:13:51 nubbins`: anyway this is farther than before. actually cleared out an enormous amount of boost libs

03:15:17 nubbins`: if you get bcp compiled, you can just do the following to spit out a custom subset of boost, tailored for your project:

03:16:58 nubbins`: ./bcp --scan --boost=~/dev/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/boost_1_52_0 ~/dev/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/bitcoin/src/*.cpp ~/dev/myboost/

03:17:12 nubbins`: no sense compiling e.g. a ton of boost python libs

03:18:40 nubbins`: bcp is included in the boost download, cd $BOOST_ROOT; ./bootstrap.sh; ./bjam tools/bcp

03:19:16 nubbins`: executable is in dist/bin

03:20:48 mircea_popescu: right.

03:37:50 nubbins`: groan/facepalm

03:38:11 nubbins`: undefined reference to symbol 'dlerror' <<< dlerror returns last DYNAMIC LINKING ERROR

03:43:37 mircea_popescu: heh

03:53:26 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_modem

03:54:27 ascii_modem: anyone read the mem stats?

03:54:49 ascii_modem: surreal moment.

03:56:30 ascii_modem: ben_vulpes: congrats re: gentoo

03:57:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11820 @ 0.00027 = 3.1914 BTC [-]

03:57:39 ascii_modem: be aware that, like the rest of opensourcedom, it is in a fairly advanced state of ... declapse (tm)

03:58:13 ascii_modem: (decay that inevitably leads to collapse)

03:58:33 nubbins`: sounds better than collay

03:58:54 ascii_modem: colline.

03:59:16 nubbins`: incrementally closer to portatronic pogotron. it's now complaining about libcrypto referencing a libdl component

03:59:30 ascii_modem: libdl?!!!!!

03:59:34 nubbins`: yeah.

03:59:37 nubbins`: which leads me to believe the openssl compile might need to be looked at.

03:59:46 ascii_modem: you know what libdl is

03:59:49 nubbins`: yep.

04:00:10 nubbins`: and it's BANANAS TOWN that it's popping up here

04:02:01 ascii_modem: here's a perverse idea

04:02:14 nubbins`: dynamically link all the things?

04:02:15 ascii_modem: openwatcom/linux.

04:02:53 nubbins`: eeeeh

04:03:07 ascii_modem: it exists. beloved classic compiler used by almost all msdos games outfits in '90s

04:03:36 ascii_modem: opensourced about a decade ago

04:03:49 ascii_modem: mostly frozen in time.

04:04:01 ascii_modem: betcha it staticlinks...

04:04:44 nubbins`: /home/nubs/dev/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/ourlibs/lib/libcrypto.a(dso_dlfcn.o): undefined reference to symbol 'dlerror'

04:05:21 nubbins`: well. some context: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=E8S0bNRy

04:05:22 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1yMNX8q )

04:05:38 ascii_modem: and before mircea_popescu asks - no i dont have rigorous proof of equivalence of watcom to gcc

04:06:12 ascii_modem: Or! of his gcc to mine to yours to ... rms's !

04:06:38 nubbins`: rmscc

04:07:03 ascii_modem: eventually we -will- find that the whole tower was mortarred together with old snot.

04:07:57 nubbins`: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1011340.msg10985645#msg10985645

04:07:58 assbot: [2015-04-03] The 5,000Btc hidden treasure, and the key to finding it. ... ( http://bit.ly/1IfAO03 )

04:08:26 nubbins`: "He did post it. Not only was he banned from this forum that day (he unbanned himself with an exploit), but ALL of the videos on his youtube were reported and removed for copyright infringement, including the ones showing detail work because there was music playing on the radio in the background. In short he already went out of his way to prove his innocence to a bunch of stalker idiots here just to have his accounts shut down and was tired

04:08:26 nubbins`: of playing games. Use your own eyeballs/brain instead of listening to the mob of neckbeards who harassed/negged him. "

04:09:13 nubbins`: he unbanned himself with an exploit :0

04:09:27 ascii_modem: wut

04:10:59 nubbins`: i think there's something in the forum's water supply

04:11:30 nubbins`: this is the $10mn/year master carver he's talking about, that's using 0day exploits to unban himself from the forum

04:12:13 nubbins`: so that he may deliver his piece de resistance: a 500btc scavenger hunt that can only be solved by purchasing all of his old laser-engraved coins from the various sock accounts that "bought" them

04:12:26 nubbins`: it's like the usms thing but on the forum

04:12:42 ascii_modem: as someone who only ever knew about it from #b-a links - i thought it was a kinda nature preserve just for folks like woodman

04:13:15 nubbins`: oh, sorry, 5000 btc.

04:13:37 ascii_modem: why not 50000?

04:13:41 nubbins`: not sure.

04:13:49 nubbins`: he says he buried it in a capsule somewhere

04:14:05 ascii_modem: how do these folks decide how many zeroes

04:14:10 nubbins`: oh, wait, it was a thousand "bronze bitcoins" or smth with 5btc on each

04:14:17 nubbins`: i think they have zero dice

04:14:23 nubbins`: roll a few, count the naughts

04:14:33 ascii_modem: star product concept

04:14:37 nubbins`: aughts?

04:14:40 ascii_modem: handcarveit

04:14:42 nubbins`: goose eggs

04:15:11 nubbins`: "Not only was he banned from this forum that day (he unbanned himself with an exploit)"

04:15:17 nubbins`: ah, goodness

04:16:10 ascii_modem: did anyone ever actually buy from this nitwit ?

04:17:19 decimation: ascii_modem: I thought we went over the libdl/openssl thing

04:17:23 nubbins`: from what i can figure, he buys accounts

04:17:34 nubbins`: and uses the bought accounts to "buy" his coins

04:17:41 nubbins`: with the exception of one or two rubes

04:17:45 decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1049840

04:17:45 assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 04:37:31; decimation: mod6: try modding the openssl 'configure' stuff to use 'no-dso'

04:17:56 nubbins`: ohhhhhh

04:17:58 nubbins`: nice

04:18:04 nubbins`: wait, hold on

04:18:05 decimation: I thought he put that in the script

04:18:14 ascii_modem: did anyone try this? i forget

04:18:23 decimation: I did, on my own

04:18:30 ascii_modem: works?

04:18:37 nubbins`: sorry

04:18:44 decimation: well, it compiled anyway

04:18:44 nubbins`: it's in 0.5.3.1 auto.sh, not portatronic

04:18:46 nubbins`: one sec

04:18:50 decimation: I didn't run it to full sync

04:22:12 nubbins`: lel the roomie and his friend are watching "death of a fuckin salesman"

04:24:01 decimation: !up ascii_modem

04:24:06 ascii_modem: when will we read 'death of a sp4mz0r' ?

04:24:22 nubbins`: glengarry glen spam

04:24:48 nubbins`: the shouting is starting to get really good now

04:24:53 decimation: ascii_modem: did you see the earlier note about glibc compiled statically

04:25:18 ascii_modem: decimation: ?

04:25:47 decimation: well, redhat provides a static libc

04:25:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15319 @ 0.00027266 = 4.1769 BTC [+]

04:25:56 decimation: the libnss symbols are present therein

04:26:12 nubbins`: !up AusBitBank

04:26:55 ascii_modem: if i can't replicate it with my existing toolchain - it doesnt exist

04:29:12 decimation: ah you are using uclibc for pogo

04:29:28 nubbins`: i am

04:29:37 ascii_modem: same

04:29:54 nubbins`: go small or go to the mall

04:31:35 decimation: well, the redhat glibc static build is pretty much just building glibc with -static

04:33:52 nubbins`: ok, so the libdl/DSO thing is gone

04:33:53 nubbins`: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=KqcWDAs1

04:33:54 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1yMPhIz )

04:34:50 decimation: ok from uclibc docs/Glibc_vs_uClibc_Differences.txt

04:34:52 decimation: 6) uClibc does not support NSS (/lib/libnss_*), which allows glibc to easily support various methods of authentication and DNS resolution. uClibc only supports flat password files and shadow password files for storing authentication information. If you need something more complex than this, you can compile and install pam.

04:35:01 decimation: so this is not an issue for pogo anyway

04:36:00 ascii_modem: this invites the question of why should we ever use conventional libc again.

04:36:05 decimation: indeed

04:36:16 decimation: all the more reason to use embedded buildroot/minimal distro

04:36:41 nubbins`: +1

04:36:41 decimation: the amount of bloat in glibc is quite shocking

04:37:02 decimation: I mostly blame redhat

04:37:12 decimation: they want to turn linux into winblows

04:37:49 nubbins`: who doesn't

04:38:28 nubbins`: meanwhile windows wants to turn itself into a bunch of sheets of coloured construction paper laid out on a blue tarp

04:39:59 decimation: http://arstechnica.com/business/2012/02/how-red-hat-killed-its-core-productand-became-a-billion-dollar-business/ < ""We never ever go into a customer and say, 'There's an application that's not supported on RHEL," Cormier said. "If it's supported on Windows, it's supported on RHEL.""

04:40:01 assbot: How Red Hat killed its core product—and became a billion-dollar business | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1GVabMr )

04:41:26 decimation: ^ what he means, specifically, is that you can enslave your rhel machine to a winblows 'kerberos/ldap' server

04:41:40 decimation: which gives us glibc turdlets

04:44:30 *: Adlai never understood why nobody wrote a tree-shaking compiler

04:44:56 ascii_modem: ^

04:45:46 decimation: ascii_modem: suddenly talk about lisp machines seems cool

04:45:49 ascii_modem: one reason is that it is damnably hard for c/cpp

04:46:31 decimation: there's this thing http://www.absint.com/compcert/index.htm

04:46:31 assbot: CompCert ... ( http://bit.ly/1yMPUl7 )

04:46:32 Adlai: sure, but it's not like this is the first time people have wanted to use minimal functionality from existing libraries

04:46:59 decimation: ^ I tried to use it once, immediately puked when it encountered system libraries

04:47:45 ascii_modem: safety-critical c, l0l!!

04:48:45 decimation: don't laugh ascii, it's apparently industry standard

04:49:37 ascii_modem: the car-with-stuck-accelerator industry?

04:49:52 decimation: aye that's what I'm thinking of

04:50:06 ascii_modem: or the plane-falls-like-brick one

04:50:28 decimation: it's in the logs somewhere. point is, there's a whole cottage industry around trying to 'support' C for missions that matter

04:51:42 decimation: the lite version for interested folks http://www.edn.com/design/automotive/4423428/Toyota-s-killer-firmware--Bad-design-and-its-consequences < "

04:51:44 assbot: Toyota's killer firmware: Bad design and its consequences | EDN ... ( http://bit.ly/1GVb6MK )

04:51:44 decimation: Barr's ultimate conclusions were that: Toyota’s electronic throttle control system (ETCS) source code is of unreasonable quality. Toyota’s source code is defective and contains bugs, including bugs that can cause unintended acceleration (UA). Code-quality metrics predict presence of additional bugs. Toyota’s fail safes are defective and inadequate (referring to them as a “house of cards” safety architecture).

04:51:45 decimation: Misbehaviors of Toyota’s ETCS are a cause of UA. "

04:52:31 decimation: "Although the investigation focused almost entirely on software, there is at least one HW factor: Toyota claimed the 2005 Camry's main CPU had error detecting and correcting (EDAC) RAM. It didn't. EDAC, or at least parity RAM, is relatively easy and low-cost insurance for safety-critical systems."

04:52:35 decimation: lol

04:53:15 decimation: one wonders how much of our lives depend directly on such hard and soft turdware

04:54:48 decimation: !up ascii_modem

04:55:10 ascii_modem: as much as we let.

04:55:52 decimation: rms was right about this kind of stuff

04:56:06 decimation: if 'we' let vendors hide their software, they will produce turds

04:56:20 ascii_modem: it will happen until hammurabic punishment is reintroduced.

04:56:26 Adlai: something like compcert doesn't help when the libraries have mounds of garbage code, even if it "works," you just get mounds of garbage object code

04:57:05 decimation: Adlai: yeah I don't think it will even let you link with any modern open source standard libraries

04:57:43 ascii_modem: fits-in-head is the only answer. though it goes well with a balanced diet of public impalements for wreckerz

04:58:55 ascii_modem: fitted non-ecc ram in a car? enjoy being used as living crash dummy in next test

04:59:29 decimation: at least toyota got to pocket $0.50!

05:00:32 ascii_modem: some berkshire 'wriggleys' is laughing all the way to the bank

05:00:49 ascii_modem: but it is important to remember -why-

05:01:15 ascii_modem: it is -not!- because the non-ecc chip is cheaper

05:01:45 ascii_modem: but because the unreflective imbecile who signed off on it is.

05:02:11 decimation: ^ should be sat upon stake

05:02:25 ascii_modem: cheaper than that endangered animal, the actual engineer...

05:03:04 decimation: somewhere there was a sweatshop where some asian person was committing code to this device

05:03:39 decimation: and that person either *knew* what he was doing or was pathologically ignorant

05:03:56 ascii_modem: quite possibly did not even know, for toyota or toy car

05:04:30 ascii_modem: but someone -decided- to use the idiot coolie

05:04:32 decimation: true. it's also possible that the code was acquired from elsewhere, written for some other purpose, and was 'merit-washed' into the ecm module

05:04:53 ascii_modem: ^ not uncommon

05:05:35 decimation: not uncommon at all - for instance, openssl

05:06:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00027266 = 2.6175 BTC [+]

05:37:49 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089113 << ftr, i've given up on it. imo gentoo is too retarded to be usable.

05:37:49 assbot: Logged on 05-04-2015 03:56:30; ascii_modem: ben_vulpes: congrats re: gentoo

05:40:35 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089150 << lol.

05:40:35 assbot: Logged on 05-04-2015 04:12:26; nubbins`: it's like the usms thing but on the forum

05:41:25 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089151 << quite exactly that, actually.

05:41:25 assbot: Logged on 05-04-2015 04:12:42; ascii_modem: as someone who only ever knew about it from #b-a links - i thought it was a kinda nature preserve just for folks like woodman

05:42:21 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089169 << i still want to know what was in for blazedout to shill for him.

05:42:21 assbot: Logged on 05-04-2015 04:17:34; nubbins`: and uses the bought accounts to "buy" his coins

05:43:22 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089192 << maybe i'm from the wrong asylum, but what exactly does "provide a static X" mean ?

05:43:22 assbot: Logged on 05-04-2015 04:25:47; decimation: well, redhat provides a static libc

05:43:38 mircea_popescu: ie, my way out of swallowing random binary strange is to get a solid block of binary strange ? from... red hat ?

05:43:47 mircea_popescu: i want it from nsa directly. what is this.

05:45:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27088 @ 0.00027215 = 7.372 BTC [-]

05:45:14 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089208 << apparently we were not the only ones to notice glibc got raped.

05:45:14 assbot: Logged on 05-04-2015 04:36:00; ascii_modem: this invites the question of why should we ever use conventional libc again.

05:46:01 ben_vulpes: i have a gentoo that comes up as expected - but sans eth0, and damned if i can figure out why.

05:46:16 ben_vulpes: anyways, that's enough for one day.

05:47:02 ben_vulpes: (*damned* frustrating, that networking thing)

05:47:13 ben_vulpes: (live cd connects through virtualization layer just happily

05:47:48 ben_vulpes: but compiled kernel and gentoo - simply refuses. indubitably attributable to operator error.)

05:48:06 trinque: ben_vulpes: gentoo has this dumb scheme where you have to symlink /etc/init.d/net.lo to say /etc/init.d/net.eth0

05:48:08 trinque: then start the symlink

05:48:11 trinque: because magic is awesome

05:48:44 trinque: then there's of course having the right kernel module going

05:49:23 ben_vulpes: i-i'm scared, t-trinque

05:50:30 mircea_popescu: i'm fucking depressed.

05:50:56 ben_vulpes: waI/

05:51:07 ben_vulpes: ?

05:52:02 ben_vulpes: pressed shitboard all the way down?

05:52:05 mircea_popescu: because it is unacceptable for a world to exist where i may have to spend more than an hour getting a new os running.

05:54:18 mats: and here i thought mp was going to show a moment of vulnerability

05:54:27 trinque: someone could solve this; gentoo has this neckbeard orthodoxy which imo is the only thing preventing it from having a proper installer

05:54:51 trinque: can't have that because it wouldn't be gentoo!

05:54:52 trinque: yes it would

05:54:59 mircea_popescu: "someone could solve this"

05:55:23 mircea_popescu: sure, someone could. the moment someone does you get ubuntu - two years of unusable, six months of barely usable and then insta-poettering.

05:55:27 mircea_popescu: ubuntu is practically 10.04

05:55:56 trinque: hm, how do you resolve it?

05:56:27 trinque: either it's easy to install and becomes the shit-smeared playground, or it's pulling teeth and marginally less shit-smeared, it seems

05:56:57 mircea_popescu: how. spiked club in one hand, plank-with-nail in another hand.

05:57:14 mircea_popescu: stepping on transvestite cocks and hispster beards, in a swamp of hurt feelings.

05:57:20 trinque: haha, the plank with nail is unstoppable

05:57:37 trinque: sounds like a hell of a fun time

05:57:57 mircea_popescu: sadly intelligent people are coditioned to fear hurting idiots, instead of enjoying it.

05:59:30 mircea_popescu: anyway, it's the most objectionable thing ever, all this list of gotchas.

05:59:40 mircea_popescu: trying to install gentoo is like taking an exam for public servancy

05:59:59 mircea_popescu: "you mean to tell me you wrote down form f.45.b instead of 4.5.fb ?!?!?!

06:00:37 mircea_popescu: if i wanted to live like that i'd have stayed in academia."

06:01:10 trinque: oh god the mundane knowledge you must have to operate it

06:01:17 trinque: I don't feel smarter doing this

06:01:26 mircea_popescu: that'd be the problem.

06:08:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13329 @ 0.00027215 = 3.6275 BTC [-]

06:18:21 BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats

06:18:25 gribble: Current Blocks: 350791 | Current Difficulty: 4.944639068824144E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 352799 | Next Difficulty In: 2008 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 weeks, 0 days, 10 hours, 42 minutes, and 18 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 78486415641.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 58.73032

06:26:08 mats: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084918 << UDEREF is about best-effort userland/kernel separation for exploit mitigation, not limiting the capability of the kernel

06:26:08 assbot: Logged on 02-04-2015 20:59:21; asciilifeform: mats: i can trivially make mincemeat of this by issuing raw dma cycles.

06:29:08 mats: quoth the spender: "the problem i set out to solve with UDEREF was that many kernel bugs can be exploited (at all or more reliably) due to the fact that on i386 most OSs don't separate the userland virtual address space from that of the kernel. this in turn means that whenever userland can make the kernel (unexpectedly) dereference a userland controlled

06:29:08 mats: pointer, userland can control the data (and sometimes, control) flow of the kernel by virtue of providing the attack data in its own userland address range as it's fully visible in the kernel's virtual address space as well"

06:30:50 mats: https://grsecurity.net/~spender/uderef.txt << for the logs

06:30:51 assbot: 404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1D6g33I )

08:22:12 mircea_popescu: im starting to realise the "bitcoin atm" thing is actually just a sort of "freedom toaster" v2.0

08:34:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8764 @ 0.00027599 = 2.4188 BTC [+]

08:35:57 BingoBoingo: Wait, you had other impression of it?

08:37:19 mircea_popescu: i originally imagined it's a misguided attempt to make money,

08:37:33 mircea_popescu: rather than a ludicrous attempt to be hipsterashionable.

08:39:53 BingoBoingo: Will it's an attempt to make some money for the people selling the boxes, but mostly it's a piece of conference swag some naive souls tried to introduce into the real world.

08:40:31 mircea_popescu: aha

08:43:41 BingoBoingo: Setup a freedom toaster at a conference, some idiots are going to put one up in a space they have access to thinking it will attact passerby outside the conference distortion swirl, same with BTC ATMs

08:45:16 mircea_popescu: it's a bizarre sort of museum-ification of life.

08:59:28 BingoBoingo: There's probably some subset of compulsive behavior spectrum that desperately wants whatever they are doing to actual be museum'ing

09:33:58 []bot: Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Gold to drop under $1000 before August 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1131/ Odds: 18(Y):82(N) by coin, 20(Y):80(N) by weight. Total bet: 5.65237 BTC. Current weight: 86,479.

09:34:00 []bot: Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Silver at or over $22/oz before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1132/ Odds: 32(Y):68(N) by coin, 33(Y):67(N) by weight. Total bet: 6.265139 BTC. Current weight: 92,827.

09:51:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10279 @ 0.00028224 = 2.9011 BTC [+]

09:59:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00028229 = 1.9478 BTC [+] {2}

10:43:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25250 @ 0.00028277 = 7.1399 BTC [+] {2}

10:53:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11250 @ 0.00028334 = 3.1876 BTC [+] {2}

11:07:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33500 @ 0.00027671 = 9.2698 BTC [-] {4}

11:18:03 cazalla: danielpbarron, ha check it out, that freebsdgirl ya had it out with on twitter got swatted http://blog.randi.io/2015/04/03/swated/

11:18:03 assbot: Tales from the Trenches: I was SWATed | randi.io ... ( http://bit.ly/1xR2SmO )

13:21:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10950 @ 0.00027841 = 3.0486 BTC [+] {2}

13:28:07 nubbins`: oh jeez so many eaten messages

13:28:12 nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089169 << i still want to know what was in for blazedout to shill for him. <<< i still have NFI

13:28:12 assbot: Logged on 05-04-2015 04:17:34; nubbins`: and uses the bought accounts to "buy" his coins

13:28:15 nubbins`: <+trinque> ben_vulpes: gentoo has this dumb scheme where you have to symlink /etc/init.d/net.lo to say /etc/init.d/net.eth0 <<< +1

13:28:18 nubbins`: ben_vulpes my eth0 is named enp0s3 in gentoo by default

13:28:21 nubbins`: try ifconfig to see if yours is same

13:33:14 nubbins`: https://twitter.com/olivierjanss/status/584496773592383488

13:33:15 assbot: Bitcoin Foundation's Corporate Counsel (Greg Egan) just resigned.

13:33:19 nubbins`: i like this guy

13:34:42 nubbins`: okay, this is good:http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=KKWE8Spe

13:35:05 nubbins`: now it's happening when i try to (re-)compile bdb rather than when i try to compile bitcoind

13:42:47 nubbins`: <+cazalla> danielpbarron, ha check it out, that freebsdgirl ya had it out with on twitter got swatted <<< this imo is explicit admission by her enemies that they have no external genitalia

13:48:58 nubbins`: !up ascii_modem

13:52:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12050 @ 0.00028338 = 3.4147 BTC [+] {2}

13:52:19 nubbins`: morn

13:58:58 punkman: http://blog.randi.io/2015/04/03/swated/ << couple cops showing up and being polite doesn't sound like "SWATed"

13:58:59 assbot: Tales from the Trenches: I was SWATed | randi.io ... ( http://bit.ly/1a4Cknf )

13:59:07 ascii_modem: mega-log

14:01:42 ascii_modem: mircea_popescu: gentoo is not so much a 'usable linux' as a -machine for building a usable linux-. sorta like 'buildroot'. would you also say that, e.g., a lathe - is 'unusable' ?

14:03:29 mircea_popescu: for me, yes

14:03:34 mircea_popescu: a lathe is the essence of unusable.

14:03:59 ascii_modem: me, i find all those -other- distros, the ones that insist on littering my disk with all those bins i didn't ask for and that werent built in my home - unusable

14:04:21 mircea_popescu: these are completely separate problems.

14:04:35 ascii_modem: ?

14:04:39 mircea_popescu: so i find prisses unusable and you find crosseyed women unusable. so ?

14:05:07 nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> a lathe is the essence of unusable. <<< o.O i bet you have soft hands

14:05:17 mircea_popescu: very. and feet.

14:05:20 nubbins`: heh

14:05:39 nubbins`: if you want to complete the picture, tell me your handshake is limp and clammy

14:05:45 mircea_popescu: nop.

14:05:47 nubbins`: ;/

14:05:52 mircea_popescu: again, entirely separate propblems, these.

14:05:53 nubbins`: a study in poopsites

14:05:56 nubbins`: also opposites.

14:05:58 nubbins`: :(

14:06:02 mircea_popescu: lol

14:06:29 ascii_modem: i find it odd that mircea_popescu does not handle linux in same way as lathe or - hell - dental work

14:06:45 mircea_popescu: i can. ocasionally i choose not to.

14:11:38 ascii_modem: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089295 << ftr a new gentoo box usually takes me at least a week - if on sane hardware

14:11:38 assbot: Logged on 05-04-2015 05:52:05; mircea_popescu: because it is unacceptable for a world to exist where i may have to spend more than an hour getting a new os running.

14:12:17 mircea_popescu: and you do not see a problem with this ?

14:12:30 mircea_popescu: i didn't say it should take YOU an hour. i said it should take me an hour.

14:13:16 ascii_modem: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089297 << lol installer?!! as in copying other folks' bins over? ick

14:13:16 assbot: Logged on 05-04-2015 05:54:27; trinque: someone could solve this; gentoo has this neckbeard orthodoxy which imo is the only thing preventing it from having a proper installer

14:13:41 mircea_popescu: and i'm not counting whatever it takes to compile. just, it is not sane to expect me to go through laundry lists for minute after minute after minute.

14:14:53 ascii_modem: that part takes me 1h at most. it is deliberately manual, like the sub reactors, or therealbitcoin

14:15:12 mircea_popescu: yeah well...

14:15:15 ascii_modem: and done once

14:16:52 ascii_modem: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089301 << exactly

14:16:53 assbot: Logged on 05-04-2015 05:55:23; mircea_popescu: sure, someone could. the moment someone does you get ubuntu - two years of unusable, six months of barely usable and then insta-poettering.

14:17:23 mircea_popescu: what was bitcoind using that ended up pulling libnss via glibc ? gethostbyaddr() was it ?

14:17:32 ascii_modem: no royal road, people

14:17:40 mircea_popescu: BULL!

14:18:03 ascii_modem: mircea_popescu: dns in general , aha

14:19:32 nubbins`: why did i not have this issue

14:20:18 nubbins`: !up ascii_modem

14:20:36 ascii_modem: nubbins': which issue

14:21:21 nubbins`: w/e the libnss thing is. details escape me now.

14:21:30 *: nubbins` is buried under mountain of monkeys and footballs

14:21:40 ascii_modem: you did, no ?

14:21:56 ascii_modem: until killed the dns crap

14:22:47 nubbins`: oh right, yeah, the dns-snip patch killed that

14:23:39 ascii_modem: though i'm pretty sure it left a dns turd in somewhere - so a bit odd, this

14:23:42 nubbins`: hmmmmmmm, cross-toolchain just spit out a static binary.

14:23:57 *: nubbins` scrambles to xfer to pogo

14:24:06 ascii_modem: nubbins': run on pogotron

14:24:18 ascii_modem: if runs - genuinely static

14:24:24 nubbins`: nod

14:24:30 nubbins`: ldd says so, but proof is in pudding

14:24:32 ascii_modem: the -only- real test

14:25:03 nubbins`: gotta set atftp

14:27:36 ascii_modem: i still want to know why gentoo has the only honest (re: stdint) gcc !

14:29:37 decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089276 < I apologize for failing to convey my meaning well. I meant that redhat 'provides' this as a source package, and therefore one could examine exactly how they did it - not to swallow the binary without inspection. Source is here > http://ftp.redhat.com/redhat/linux/enterprise/6Server/en/os/SRPMS/glibc-2.12-1.149.el6_6.5.src.rpm

14:29:37 assbot: Logged on 05-04-2015 05:43:38; mircea_popescu: ie, my way out of swallowing random binary strange is to get a solid block of binary strange ? from... red hat ?

14:29:42 ascii_modem: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089320 << fuck 'mitigation' and the surrender built into the word. i insist on -extirpation- -- with hot iron

14:29:42 assbot: Logged on 05-04-2015 06:26:08; mats: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084918 << UDEREF is about best-effort userland/kernel separation for exploit mitigation, not limiting the capability of the kernel

14:30:28 ascii_modem: decimation: the source rpm still needs rathead to build

14:30:30 nubbins`: ugh c'mon tftp

14:30:56 nubbins`: /home/ftp # tftp 192.168.2.23 just spits out usage instructions

14:32:47 ascii_modem: nubbins': use atftpd

14:32:59 decimation: well, it does need rpmbuild at least, it would probably be difficult to work without redhat

14:33:12 decimation: Although if I recall a version of rpmbuild was available on gentoo

14:34:31 decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089403 < because uclibc doesn't even support nss

14:34:31 assbot: Logged on 05-04-2015 14:21:21; nubbins`: w/e the libnss thing is. details escape me now.

14:34:42 nubbins`: ascii_modem actually it was the client side that baffled me, heh.

14:34:45 nubbins`: check it OUT: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=CnwtSvuQ

14:34:46 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1y7eTFk )

14:34:51 decimation: although the question of what it does with gethostbyaddr() is a good one

14:35:18 nubbins`: no storage attached at all, so i can't tell if it, y'know, does anything

14:35:23 nubbins`: but i think this is sufficient proof, yes?

14:35:30 decimation: mostly, yes

14:35:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39378 @ 0.00027217 = 10.7175 BTC [-] {2}

14:36:04 nubbins`: so that's static bitcoind, running on pogotron, built with portatronic toolchain.

14:36:11 mats: well ofc provably preventing the exploit is preferable. PaX like a custom Gentoo build, relying on the attacker not knowing it's there, and/or failing to react accordingly

14:36:25 decimation: good job nubbins`

14:38:13 mircea_popescu: decimation o i c.

14:38:15 decimation: apparently uclibc has a dns client that opens /etc/resolv.conf itself, built into the code

14:38:28 decimation: libc/inet/resolv.conf

14:38:39 decimation: libc/inet/resolv.c

14:39:16 mircea_popescu: yeah apparently uclibc is made specifically because of this/similar issues

14:39:25 mircea_popescu: at least looks to me like something along those lines

14:39:44 nubbins`: here's my auto.sh: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=HxUfaTPT

14:39:45 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1y7fdDK )

14:40:04 nubbins`: please note the Boost section -- i'm using a custom subset of the full boost libs

14:40:15 nubbins`: you'll need to use bcp (see logs) to trim out the fat and gristle

14:40:29 nubbins`: otherwise your boost build will fail

14:40:47 nubbins`: i'm gonna try this all from scratch once more just to verify

14:47:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11174 @ 0.00027 = 3.017 BTC [-]

14:52:33 nubbins`: ok fwiw that auto.sh does have problems, i'll try to polish it later

14:52:53 nubbins`: also the bcp stuff could totally be included in same, not sure if this is something people want

14:52:59 nubbins`: or if they'd rather do it manually as needed

14:53:16 nubbins`: but i don't think it's a *terrible* idea for our install script to only compile the parts of boost that we need

14:53:45 mircea_popescu: epic shit nubsy

14:53:54 nubbins`: imagine, i thought i left this life behind.

14:53:58 mircea_popescu: pls to make a proper patch in full glory so people can benefit from fruits of your genius.

14:54:13 nubbins`: yah

15:43:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19434 @ 0.00028388 = 5.5169 BTC [+] {2}

15:44:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10760 @ 0.00028767 = 3.0953 BTC [+]

15:56:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.0002881 = 2.9098 BTC [+]

16:06:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15300 @ 0.00028699 = 4.3909 BTC [-]

16:48:52 trinque: ascii_modem | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089297 << lol installer?!! as in copying other folks' bins over? ick << nah, just bash script that plonks you into a partition editor, then a list of architectures, then has you pick a stage, etc; script the scriptable parts of the manual, and leave everything that should be.. manual :D

16:48:52 assbot: Logged on 05-04-2015 05:54:27; trinque: someone could solve this; gentoo has this neckbeard orthodoxy which imo is the only thing preventing it from having a proper installer

16:50:58 trinque: I don't want decisions made for me; I want bricks laid for me.

17:13:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8523 @ 0.00027831 = 2.372 BTC [-]

17:15:29 trinque: !up marteen

17:22:35 nubbins`: has anyone besides me and alf attempted the portatronic buildroot?

17:22:50 nubbins`: would be nice to get some people to test this patch when it's ready

18:04:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10250 @ 0.00027831 = 2.8527 BTC [-]

18:05:09 ben_vulpes: i'm still making a gentoo

18:05:11 ben_vulpes: running behind.

18:05:25 ben_vulpes: but hory shit have i learned things about the linux shitpile

18:06:07 Apocalyptic: ^ only for that fact alone it's a good experience

18:28:43 danielpbarron: height=313721 vs height=220810

18:28:51 danielpbarron: !up Bagels7

18:44:58 nubbins`: danielpbarron closer...

18:45:43 nubbins`: darwin64: height=213002

18:57:28 *: Bagels7 !s panama

18:58:06 ben_vulpes: !s panama

18:58:07 assbot: 120 results for 'panama' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=panama

18:58:13 ben_vulpes: hrm>

19:00:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21400 @ 0.00027699 = 5.9276 BTC [-] {3}

19:06:55 danielpbarron: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/gentoo << just a starting point / copy pasted from gentoo wiki

19:12:55 ben_vulpes: nubbins`: i have an enp0s3 as well, don't really know what to do to turn it into/use it as eth0 tho

19:13:15 ben_vulpes: i'll probably eventually figure it out

19:16:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9888 @ 0.00027574 = 2.7265 BTC [-]

19:16:33 nubbins`: um

19:18:03 nubbins`: ben_vulpes https://www.mail-archive.com/gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org/msg136717.html

19:18:04 assbot: Re: [gentoo-user] VirtualBox guest eth0/enp0s3 problem ... ( http://bit.ly/1ayWPt5 )

19:19:44 Adlai: ;;bc,diff

19:19:44 gribble: Error: "bc,diff" is not a valid command.

19:20:00 Adlai: ;;bc,stats

19:20:04 gribble: Current Blocks: 350874 | Current Difficulty: 4.944639068824144E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 352799 | Next Difficulty In: 1925 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 22 hours, 4 minutes, and 1 second | Next Difficulty Estimate: 54249359325.2 | Estimated Percent Change: 9.71349

19:20:33 ben_vulpes: nubbins`: are you using udev or eudev?

19:23:39 nubbins`: i can't remember ;/

19:33:14 ben_vulpes: awww shit yee i have sshd into the gentoo box!

19:33:19 ben_vulpes: ssh'd

19:33:32 ben_vulpes: uh what next

19:33:34 ben_vulpes: buildroot?

19:33:35 ben_vulpes: buildroot.

19:34:09 nubbins`: heh yeah

19:34:32 nubbins`: follow http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000074.html

19:34:33 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1yogaSI )

19:35:32 BingoBoingo: http://www.tedunangst.com/flak/post/why-did-my-fans-come-on

19:35:33 assbot: why did my fans come on? ... ( http://bit.ly/1az02Zy )

19:36:13 nubbins`: also see http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/thread.html last few posts

19:36:13 assbot: The BTC-dev March 2015 Archive by thread ... ( http://bit.ly/1az0cjE )

19:36:31 nubbins`: if you want to be able to build bitcoind with your buildroot toolchain, you'll have to add a few options to the config

19:37:19 nubbins`: i did this by running make nconfig after make pogoplug_defconfig and adding them manually

19:39:28 ben_vulpes: awe nuts

19:39:37 ben_vulpes: me pogo's at the office

19:47:32 ben_vulpes: mwell i'm off for a bit

19:47:45 ben_vulpes: hafta upgrade from os x 10.9 to 10.10 to cut ios builds

19:47:48 ben_vulpes: yay

19:52:43 danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089295 << OpenBSD is very easy to install, so long as you have hardware on which it is easy to install

19:52:43 assbot: Logged on 05-04-2015 05:52:05; mircea_popescu: because it is unacceptable for a world to exist where i may have to spend more than an hour getting a new os running.

19:55:01 danielpbarron: can use xfce, chromium, gimp, etc..

19:55:12 danielpbarron: all in ports

19:55:53 danielpbarron: if you're used to debian, OpenBSD isn't such a jarring experience

19:57:12 danielpbarron: not that gentoo can't do those things, but the installer is actually somewhat automated

20:39:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9517 @ 0.00027574 = 2.6242 BTC [-]

20:57:47 BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/04/ti-89-bitcoin-diceware-tool-released/ << since scoop seems missing

20:57:48 assbot: TI-89 Bitcoin Diceware Tool Released | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1DOW9Lp )

21:00:28 nubbins`: man for the life of me i can't reproduce these build steps

21:00:30 nubbins`: wtf

22:13:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15900 @ 0.00028861 = 4.5889 BTC [+] {2}

22:18:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23623 @ 0.000289 = 6.827 BTC [+]

22:28:42 nubbins`: anyway, the general idea is to use bcp to rip everything out of boost that doesn't belong there

22:28:53 nubbins`: i think i'm maybe just ripping one or two things too many out of it

22:29:20 nubbins`: mildly annoying that i've got a binary but can't reproduce the process

22:51:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.000289 = 1.7051 BTC [+]

23:00:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15350 @ 0.00028779 = 4.4176 BTC [-]

23:05:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9750 @ 0.00028779 = 2.806 BTC [-]

23:12:59 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu got your msg but not his reply, it was keyed to you only

23:13:00 gribble: The operation succeeded.

23:29:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15050 @ 0.00028808 = 4.3356 BTC [+]

23:34:48 mats: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/04/business/powdered-alcohol-meets-resistance-in-us-before-it-even-comes-to-market.html

23:34:51 assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1D9aB02 )

23:45:14 punkman: http://www.nytimes.com/1985/12/08/business/the-executive-computer.html

23:45:15 assbot: THE EXECUTIVE COMPUTER - NYTimes.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1D9cBFC )

23:52:43 BingoBoingo: mats: "The packages, at 4 inches by 6 inches, are not easily concealed, he said. And because of the single-use packaging, he said, it would be easier to spike a punchbowl with a large bottle of rum." << I was telling people you wouldn't lose volume by powdering the stuff

23:57:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13869 @ 0.000289 = 4.0081 BTC [+]