Transcript for 05-05-2013, 1822 lines:
00:01:59 mircea_popescu: for all icare...
00:04:27 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: see pm real quick
00:40:49 kakobrekla: ok, good enough
00:46:19 mjr___: very nice
00:51:01 BitHub: all hail fontase
00:52:53 mircea_popescu: coolness kakobrekla
01:07:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1200 @ 0.00069036 = 0.8284 BTC [+]
01:11:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10600 @ 0.00069468 = 7.3636 BTC [+]
01:33:01 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.25692 BTC [+]
01:38:24 deadweasel: ;;ticker
01:38:24 gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 112.11100, Best ask: 113.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.88900, Last trade: 112.10001, 24 hour volume: 125480.73650669, 24 hour low: 92.99000, 24 hour high: 116.30000, 24 hour vwap: 107.54937
01:40:34 Jambo_: ;;next
01:40:35 gribble: currently awaiting retracement to test 100-105 | lower targets: 104, 94 | upper targets: 120-123, 130 | updated by OneFixt at May 4 2013, 21:20 UTC ( tips: http://bit.ly/YnxUM4 ) | disclaimer: http://bit.ly/129bYJ6 | this is not investment or trading advice | #bitcoin-analysis | 4 hours, 20 minutes, and 34 seconds ago
02:04:38 Jambo_: look at mtgo
02:04:40 Jambo_: its going crazy
02:04:48 deadweasel: ;;ticker
02:04:48 gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 117.01000, Best ask: 117.06000, Bid-ask spread: 0.05000, Last trade: 117.01000, 24 hour volume: 129990.03216512, 24 hour low: 92.99000, 24 hour high: 117.01000, 24 hour vwap: 107.91913
02:16:29 assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 10 @ 0.101 = 1.01 BTC [+]
02:16:36 assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 41 @ 0.100021 = 4.1009 BTC [-]
02:17:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25 @ 0.00068919 = 0.0172 BTC [-]
02:17:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5398 @ 0.00068877 = 3.718 BTC [-]
02:18:14 assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 3 @ 0.01003 = 0.0301 BTC [+]
02:24:12 assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 66 @ 0.0125 = 0.825 BTC
02:27:16 ThickAsThieves: yay
02:31:21 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.22001 BTC [-]
02:34:48 mod6: ;;bc,stats
02:34:55 gribble: Current Blocks: 234564 | Current Difficulty: 1.0076292883418716E7 | Next Difficulty At Block: 235871 | Next Difficulty In: 1307 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 19 hours, 56 minutes, and 45 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 10108252.5885 | Estimated Percent Change: 0.31718
02:37:30 ThickAsThieves: seems a little odd that the estimated diff is not increasing even tho AM has added like 10TH...
02:38:24 louong: there are a lot of GPU miners selling their rigs or switching to alt coin mining (anecdotal)
02:41:15 Jambo_: ;;ticker
02:41:16 gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 115.97761, Best ask: 115.99000, Bid-ask spread: 0.01239, Last trade: 115.97761, 24 hour volume: 133434.20303370, 24 hour low: 94.56359, 24 hour high: 118.36500, 24 hour vwap: 108.44522
02:51:41 mircea_popescu: o hey, that's you ThickAsThieves
02:52:19 ThickAsThieves: yep, just went live on BTCT
02:53:21 ThickAsThieves: been live on bitfunder for a couple days
02:54:56 mircea_popescu: cool
02:57:32 Chaang-Noi: morning all
02:57:39 Jambo_: hi
02:57:44 Jambo_: where u at?
02:57:46 Chaang-Noi: lol :)
02:58:03 Chaang-Noi: copumpkins sex dungon
02:58:16 Chaang-Noi: at least he game me one free hand to type
02:58:25 mircea_popescu: this sounds solanaceae-y
03:00:30 Chaang-Noi: Solanaceae are a family of flowering plants that includes a number of important agricultural crops. Although many species are toxic plants, some are edible and healthy.
03:00:31 mircea_popescu: which are asterids, whereas curcubitacea are rosids. this is serious clade jumping going on here.
03:00:45 mircea_popescu: copumpkin is behaving out of character!
03:01:04 Chaang-Noi: i asked someone to fuck me yesterday, he got there first...
03:01:22 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.25181 BTC [+]
03:01:38 joecool: copumpkin is copumpkin?
03:01:42 Chaang-Noi: i said some figurativly that he took litererly, and it cost my my anal virginity
03:02:03 joecool: ;;ident copumpkin
03:02:03 gribble: Nick 'copumpkin', with hostmask 'copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin', is not identified.
03:02:07 Chaang-Noi: i wonder if it is a script, where he said that no matter waht i said
03:02:17 Chaang-Noi: it would ahve been in context 12 hours ago
03:03:32 mircea_popescu: seems so. robot pineaple from outer space
03:03:50 Chaang-Noi: it had to do with my shock of us being at 115 when i wanted to buy back in at 75
03:05:38 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.25183 BTC [+]
03:05:58 assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.00164 BTC [+]
03:06:12 assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 9 @ 0.001648 = 0.0148 BTC [+]
03:09:16 assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.016 BTC [-]
03:25:08 Chaang-Noi: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg2029991#msg2029991 new photo of finalnd guy
03:29:05 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.24999 BTC [-]
03:30:48 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.249989 BTC [-]
03:38:35 Jambo_: fkn goes up $15 in like 10 mins
03:38:38 Jambo_: wtf
03:38:56 Chaang-Noi: ;;ticker
03:38:57 gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 117.25000, Best ask: 117.55555, Bid-ask spread: 0.30555, Last trade: 117.77778, 24 hour volume: 135046.61877752, 24 hour low: 94.56360, 24 hour high: 118.49000, 24 hour vwap: 108.71444
03:39:13 Chaang-Noi: jambo you on drugs? it did not, and even if it did this is btc
03:39:16 Jambo_: everyone said it was bound to crash
03:39:20 Jambo_: i know
03:39:21 Jambo_: but still
03:39:22 Chaang-Noi: it did crash
03:39:31 Jambo_: they said it was going to crash again
03:39:33 Chaang-Noi: it lost like 80%
03:39:37 Chaang-Noi: lol
03:39:39 Jambo_: lol
03:39:51 Chaang-Noi: china bought your btcs
03:39:56 Jambo_: people said it hasnt hit bottom, yes they did
03:40:04 Jambo_: im angry
03:40:25 assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 87 @ 0.0125 = 1.0875 BTC
03:40:33 Chaang-Noi: meh
03:41:04 Jambo_: im sad
03:41:20 Chaang-Noi: just but 10 btc, you will be a millionair in ten years...
03:41:22 Chaang-Noi: buy
03:41:31 Jambo_: :/
03:44:43 assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 12 @ 0.0125 = 0.15 BTC
03:54:15 assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 52 @ 0.0125 = 0.65 BTC
04:02:34 mjr___: well, some progress made
04:03:51 mjr___: this so far only has mongo and nodejs working
04:04:17 mjr___: and not in the best way yet
04:05:13 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.199989 BTC [-]
04:06:41 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.199999 BTC [+]
04:06:48 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.2 = 2.4 BTC [+]
04:07:04 assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 25 @ 0.0125 = 0.3125 BTC
04:07:28 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2 BTC [+]
04:07:47 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.22 = 2.44 BTC [+]
04:09:34 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.2 = 2.4 BTC [-]
04:10:19 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.22 = 2.44 BTC [+]
04:10:36 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.2 = 2.4 BTC [-]
04:10:56 assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.0125 = 0.025 BTC
04:12:22 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.22 = 2.44 BTC [+]
04:12:32 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.2 = 2.4 BTC [-]
04:12:39 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.222 = 2.444 BTC [+]
04:12:50 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.2222 = 2.4444 BTC [+]
04:12:55 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.22222 = 2.4444 BTC [+]
04:12:59 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.222222 = 4.8889 BTC [+]
04:14:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 1.99999999 = 4 BTC [-]
04:19:38 mjr___: if anyone else is looking, order updates don't work yet
04:19:43 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.18 = 2.36 BTC [-]
04:20:37 mod6: lol, sorry if I deleted that first one. I didn't know that [X] would do that.
04:20:53 mod6: I added another one as "Testing" or whatever. hehe. my bad.
04:21:21 mjr___: its all good
04:21:24 mjr___: thanks for helping me test
04:21:28 mjr___: feel free to play around
04:21:30 mjr___: i don't mind
04:21:36 mod6: And so far the Edit button gives a stack trace.
04:21:44 mjr___: right now i am getting basic functionality up and running
04:21:50 mjr___: yes, it does
04:21:50 mod6: I just thought I'd take a look, I saw you talkin about it earlier.
04:21:58 mjr___: this is the most basic version
04:22:05 mjr___: next i split into bids and asks
04:22:09 mjr___: get socket.io running
04:22:17 mjr___: so that all changes happen in real time
04:22:23 mod6: Cool. I hear you, gotta get some time to see what works inititally, etc.
04:22:24 mjr___: and then put in an angular front end
04:22:38 mjr___: yeah, but it doesn't make a difference
04:22:45 mjr___: i am using nodemon
04:22:52 mjr___: so all my changes auto update
04:23:09 mod6: I've been doing a bunch of programming on BitOTTer (android) today, thats been awesome. I'm excited to do some debugging tonight :)
04:23:10 mjr___: this is the blessing and curse of using other peoples shit
04:23:24 mjr___: i've got a lot of stuff working pretty quickly
04:23:32 mjr___: but finding out where the error is will take more time i think
04:23:36 thestringpuller: ;;calc 65000/240
04:23:37 gribble: 270.833333333
04:23:41 mjr___: feel free to check out the github
04:23:49 mod6: cool thanks!
04:23:49 thestringpuller: 200 mhs per avalon chip huh
04:24:27 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.18 BTC [-]
04:24:53 mjr___: and i also need to add an entire user system...geez, this is kinda a long process
04:26:12 mod6: HEH
04:26:27 mod6: Yeah it doesn't write it self.
04:26:34 mod6: *itself.
04:26:48 mjr___: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B5ZviIIaT7_kZ0VDNkJtSnljZms/edit?usp=sharing this is an old design of mine, and roughly what it should look like when done
04:26:48 mod6: but all good things in time... as they say.
04:27:01 mjr___: well, i am trying to do a hackathon attempt
04:27:04 mjr___: to have this up by monday
04:28:00 mjr___: rough idea is, people show up and can easily update their orders pretty much in real time
04:28:32 assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.0125 = 0.0375 BTC
04:28:33 mjr___: i built that first example but it didn't have all the backend functionality i wanted
04:29:36 mjr___: so...back to work, feel free to play around, you should see new features popping up
04:29:41 mod6: aight cool.
04:29:51 thestringpuller: ;;bc,stats
04:29:54 gribble: Current Blocks: 234576 | Current Difficulty: 1.0076292883418716E7 | Next Difficulty At Block: 235871 | Next Difficulty In: 1295 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 19 hours, 25 minutes, and 42 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 10106951.7269 | Estimated Percent Change: 0.30427
04:41:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00069101 = 3.3168 BTC [+]
04:54:01 thestringpuller: ;;next
04:54:24 inhies: weeee
04:59:01 assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.0125 = 0.0375 BTC
04:59:08 assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 13 @ 0.012525 = 0.1628 BTC [+]
05:29:57 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.199111 BTC [+]
05:36:34 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 18 @ 1.199111 = 21.584 BTC [+]
05:36:39 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.2 = 2.4 BTC [+]
05:36:44 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 1.2199 = 8.5393 BTC [+]
05:39:01 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2199 BTC [+]
05:40:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.3198 BTC [+]
05:58:06 tiberiusiv: ;;asks 200
05:58:09 gribble: There are currently 111426.94 bitcoins offered at or under 200.0 USD, worth 16740305.7552 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0081 seconds
05:58:15 tiberiusiv: ;;bids 50
05:58:15 gribble: There are currently 149240.03 bitcoins demanded at or over 50.0 USD, worth 11268523.4082 USD in total. | Data vintage: 6.1148 seconds
06:00:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8426 @ 0.00069101 = 5.8225 BTC [+]
06:01:15 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.2199 = 2.4398 BTC [+]
06:03:28 assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.012525 = 0.0626 BTC [+]
06:11:14 inhies: well
06:11:17 inhies: this looks interesting
06:25:05 ardeay_: ;;ticker
06:25:06 gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 116.70180, Best ask: 117.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.29820, Last trade: 117.00000, 24 hour volume: 135072.13898755, 24 hour low: 96.91162, 24 hour high: 118.85000, 24 hour vwap: 109.31377
06:35:08 assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 32 @ 0.012525 = 0.4008 BTC [+]
06:36:33 assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 57 @ 0.01255 = 0.7154 BTC [+]
06:45:51 Chaang-Noi: hmm google has its own btc, hmmm
06:47:01 tiberiusiv: thats a debit card
06:47:14 tiberiusiv: from a bank
06:47:21 Chaang-Noi: google is a bank now?
06:49:38 tiberiusiv: no you cant read?
06:49:43 tiberiusiv: they use a partner bank
06:49:45 tiberiusiv: fking idiot
06:50:10 tiberiusiv: this is where the funds are held. its just a prepaid debit card service
06:50:29 tiberiusiv: this is probably a more direct bitcoin competitor in africa
06:52:31 tiberiusiv: mpesa has more users then bitcoin
06:57:13 Chaang-Noi: oh tiberslav, :)
06:57:40 Chaang-Noi: its not even fun trolling you
07:05:13 assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.13001 BTC [-]
07:07:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5974 @ 0.00069101 = 4.1281 BTC [+]
07:07:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 226 @ 0.00069491 = 0.157 BTC [+]
07:10:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1502 @ 0.00068877 = 1.0345 BTC [-]
07:10:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10719 @ 0.00068835 = 7.3784 BTC [-]
07:34:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3763 @ 0.00069491 = 2.6149 BTC [+]
07:40:51 assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 39 @ 0.01255 = 0.4895 BTC [+]
07:46:53 assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 28 @ 0.01255 = 0.3514 BTC [+]
07:52:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00069491 = 9.1033 BTC [+]
07:55:01 assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.13001 BTC [-]
07:57:29 assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 2 @ 0.108899 = 0.2178 BTC [+]
08:39:01 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.219 BTC [-]
08:40:07 Chaang-Noi: hey MP https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg2032349#msg2032349
08:40:15 Chaang-Noi: think that could be the finish guy?
08:40:55 wao: hm
08:40:57 wao: why not
08:44:26 mircea_popescu: nah. not at all the same facial features.
08:45:26 mircea_popescu: the camwhore pic is lol tho
08:46:38 assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 7 @ 0.410001 = 2.87 BTC [+]
08:46:42 assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.41 BTC [-]
08:47:09 Chaang-Noi: i kinda doubt it as well, but man, it would explain a few things:)
08:48:05 assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.4005 = 0.801 BTC [-]
08:50:16 mircea_popescu: well yeah. nevertheles...
08:50:18 assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.22701 = 0.454 BTC [+]
08:50:27 assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.227 BTC [-]
08:50:31 assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.2263 = 0.4526 BTC [-]
08:50:35 mircea_popescu: no, i'm pretty sure this is a young guy with a little money/ a business who discovered btc later than us, got real excited, wanted to burn the stages
08:50:46 mircea_popescu: because wtf, why listen to mpoe-pr, she's a woman.
08:51:09 Chaang-Noi: i think he likes you honestly
08:51:19 Chaang-Noi: but cant deal with someone who only says insults
08:51:25 mircea_popescu: i think he dislikes me but would like my approval.
08:51:51 Chaang-Noi: she really for the most part does not do anything but show how trash she is
08:52:05 Chaang-Noi: she can not attack people with wit or class
08:52:11 Chaang-Noi: insults only go so far
08:52:36 mircea_popescu: have you seen the latest ?
08:52:38 Chaang-Noi: she can have good posts if she is objective and not attacking a person or idea
08:52:50 Chaang-Noi: i doubt it, im just talking about over the last 2 eyars or whatever
08:53:20 Chaang-Noi: any one here want 10,000 ltc for 309 or so btc?
08:53:21 mircea_popescu: lemme see this, i lolled.
08:53:30 assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.01255 BTC [+]
08:53:38 Chaang-Noi: shec an have good posts, but on average she does more harm than good
08:54:00 assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.22632 BTC [+]
08:54:10 assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.22631 = 0.4526 BTC [-]
08:54:19 assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 12 @ 0.2263 = 2.7156 BTC [-]
08:55:11 mircea_popescu: she's actually better at the wit & class takedowns imo
08:55:18 mircea_popescu: it's just on the forum she rarely has any opportunity to.
08:57:00 Chaang-Noi: well these three people are clearly idots
08:57:28 Chaang-Noi: i avoid the whole economic subsection as 985 of the people who post there are idots
08:57:36 Chaang-Noi: the real people who understand, are doing shit...
08:57:41 Chaang-Noi: like in the assets subsection
08:58:39 truff1es: <Chaang-Noi> she can have good posts if she is objective and not attacking a person or idea>>> sounds like mircea_popescu
08:58:40 mircea_popescu: she rarely if ever goes after people who actually do something afaik.
08:59:25 assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 3 @ 0.13011 = 0.3903 BTC [+]
08:59:32 assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 3 @ 0.12501 = 0.375 BTC [-]
08:59:39 Chaang-Noi: she was after me for months about my mining operation claiming it was a scam cuz no photos. i told her three times the link to the photos wherein the op of the thread
08:59:44 assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.125001 BTC [-]
08:59:50 assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 5 @ 0.125 = 0.625 BTC [-]
09:00:05 Chaang-Noi: she has improved ill give you that but her last attack on reptillia man seems kinda lame
09:00:12 Chaang-Noi: seemed
09:01:14 Chaang-Noi: as crazy as it sounds, the repillia guy might be right and we hit, $300,000 a btc by new years
09:01:39 Chaang-Noi: i think he is nuts but it should be expressed with something other than an insult
09:01:50 assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.13012 BTC [+]
09:02:10 truff1es: you cant really teach someone how to express themselves :)
09:02:19 truff1es: oh wait u can but..
09:02:39 assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.1001 BTC [-]
09:03:29 assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.1 BTC [-]
09:03:29 mircea_popescu: so go do it lol.
09:04:33 Chaang-Noi: that sell to that repitilla guys has made my portfolio out of balance, i have more cash on hand than i want in thailand...
09:04:44 Chaang-Noi: i dont trust the banks
09:05:02 Chaang-Noi: the only way i see getting it out of thailand is buying back btc
09:05:14 truff1es: Chaang-Noi you made a legit transaction with repitilla?
09:05:19 Chaang-Noi: yeah
09:05:23 Chaang-Noi: well 1/2 of one
09:05:28 truff1es: oh my
09:05:28 Chaang-Noi: he wired me 2.65 million baht
09:05:33 truff1es: so he is for real
09:05:45 Chaang-Noi: well, he at one point had 2.65 million bhat
09:05:50 Chaang-Noi: but i would say yes
09:06:01 Chaang-Noi: he is a bit delusional but id say he is real
09:06:07 Chaang-Noi: well more than a bit
09:06:19 truff1es: its the kind of mind that believes bitcoin with go up up up
09:06:46 Chaang-Noi: yeah and he joined the bull market a bit too late
09:07:00 Chaang-Noi: $72 is his lowest buy in i think
09:07:09 Chaang-Noi: clearly he bought from me at 133 or so
09:07:15 Chaang-Noi: i dont know if higher or not
09:07:38 truff1es: he's doing well for himself regardless
09:08:08 Chaang-Noi: he claims to ahve 10,000 oz of silver
09:08:19 Chaang-Noi: im a silver bug and i dont even have that much silver
09:09:44 mircea_popescu: what's that, like 300 btc's worth ?
09:10:06 Chaang-Noi: $240,000 usd
09:10:16 Chaang-Noi: well more than that
09:10:32 Chaang-Noi: 2100 or so btc
09:10:47 mircea_popescu: aha
09:10:58 Chaang-Noi: nothing massive, but its still something
09:11:21 truff1es: pretty massive to me :D
09:12:22 mircea_popescu: ye
09:13:03 truff1es: thats a real showoff
09:13:45 Chaang-Noi: lol
09:13:51 Chaang-Noi: i have a 1000 oz bar....
09:14:12 truff1es: i was expecting to see the bar not a summary
09:14:24 Chaang-Noi: i dont have photos of my silver
09:15:04 Chaang-Noi: honestly half of it iv never even seen
09:17:08 truff1es: the gold bar looks like chocolate to me ..
09:17:11 Chaang-Noi: mine is only 970ish oz but its a comex bar, they call it 1000oz bars.
09:18:55 mircea_popescu: if anyone cares, seems the lme is moving to hk
09:19:17 Chaang-Noi: does not really effect me
09:19:30 Chaang-Noi: but really, its logical
09:24:25 truff1es: just realized the name is rpietila not repitilla..
09:24:42 Chaang-Noi: :)
09:33:23 truff1es: is there a tldr of the rpietila diary?
09:37:26 Chaang-Noi: he is a nutter who odds are is on coke/weed and thin\ks btw will be 1 million usd by christmas
09:37:27 Chaang-Noi: he is also having a conferance in finland where everyone is forced to wear top hats and drive in limos
09:37:27 truff1es: hehe
09:37:27 Chaang-Noi: otehr than looking fancy they are going to try to set up a "super node" dealership network
09:37:27 Chaang-Noi: however no one is going cuz lack of plaaning and it being too soon
09:37:28 Chaang-Noi: mp did that pretty much cover it?
09:37:28 truff1es: so he should do another next yr
09:37:28 Chaang-Noi: i might have left something out, been a lot of lulz
09:37:28 mircea_popescu: lol i had no idea about the top hats
09:37:28 Chaang-Noi: well... im not sure what he wants to accomplish
09:37:28 mircea_popescu: bwahahaha
09:37:28 Chaang-Noi: mp well they are not forced to wear top hats but he did get a limo and the point is to be a show off
09:37:28 Chaang-Noi: i did exagerate that a bit
09:37:28 truff1es: "There are now 6 paid admissions to the summit, and all of them are for a physical stay."
09:37:28 Chaang-Noi: but it just seemed fitting for the style he is going for
09:37:29 Chaang-Noi: the first 3 qare his staff
09:37:29 Chaang-Noi: so really only 3
09:37:29 Chaang-Noi: and they are all new people who are in the area who want to learn more about btc
09:37:37 Chaang-Noi: i dont think they are "super nodes"
09:38:43 truff1es: seems perfect for someone like mircea_popescu
09:39:51 truff1es: a place to showoff and show how much they know than everyone else :p
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09:40:43 mircea_popescu: yeah. so weird tho, americans are really uncomfortable showing off.
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09:43:59 mircea_popescu: what's a node anyway.
09:44:00 truff1es: node Noun
09:44:00 truff1es: A point at which lines or pathways intersect or branch; a central or connecting point.
09:44:00 truff1es: A piece of equipment, such as a PC or peripheral, attached to a network.
09:44:03 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=192122.msg2030167#msg2030167 lmao
09:44:04 truff1es: seems like rpietila aims to make btc an exclusive thing, dont like
09:49:02 truff1es: (Without almost a single exception) every time I read MPOE-PR, I think, "but he cannot be, if he actually pays for this shit to be posted in his name". >>> sick burn
09:49:22 Chaang-Noi: inaba is about as good with pr as your girl...
09:52:07 mircea_popescu: lol
09:52:08 mircea_popescu: not really.
09:52:19 mircea_popescu: actually i don't know anyone nearly as good as her on those forums.
09:52:28 Chaang-Noi: for pr?
09:52:31 mircea_popescu: perhaps gavin, but only on the condition that he keeps quiet a lot on most issues.
09:52:32 mircea_popescu: yes for pr.
09:53:09 Chaang-Noi: well to each thier own, imo they both do more hard to the image of the company they work for
09:53:20 Chaang-Noi: harm*
09:53:56 mircea_popescu: pr is about communication, you must be confusing it with advertising ?
09:54:47 Chaang-Noi: public relations, yes clearly there is communication, but you communicate ideas, the ideas she communicates are not what i would considrer to be good
09:54:51 Chaang-Noi: inaba same
09:55:24 Chaang-Noi: as in not good for the image of the company she represents and is speaking for
09:55:52 Chaang-Noi: when she has the PR tag she is your face to the world
09:56:02 Chaang-Noi: people see her, and judge you and your company
09:56:17 mircea_popescu: yeah. exactly.
09:56:50 mircea_popescu: the difference here would be that inaba never gave a strauight answer, has been caught lieing etc.
09:56:50 Chaang-Noi: they dont take her siourly, and so they dont take you either
09:57:35 mircea_popescu: mpoe-pr has given nothing but straight answers, and has alweays been right.
09:57:36 truff1es: Chaang-Noi have u read fraudsters, they dont care lol
09:57:36 mircea_popescu: seems to me quite a difference there.
09:57:36 mircea_popescu: i beg to differ.
09:57:41 Chaang-Noi: yes there is a differance between her and inaba, but just cuz inaba is fail does not mean your pr girl is good
09:57:41 mircea_popescu: she's probably the only one there taken quite seriously.
09:57:42 Chaang-Noi: by whom?
09:57:43 Chaang-Noi: she is one of the mostly highly ignored people
09:57:51 mircea_popescu: everyone. when she drops the shoe the entire dev team gets cracking for one.
09:57:55 cads: mircea_popescu: re. the showing off, I've often wondered about that myself.
09:57:56 mircea_popescu: eh right, like that matters.
09:58:04 mircea_popescu: cads aha ?
09:58:15 Chaang-Noi: placing someone on ignore does not = respect
09:58:56 Chaang-Noi: but what truffles said, it does seem you guys just dont give a fuck
09:59:00 truff1es: yea mp take me off ignore!
09:59:00 cads: In america, when someone shows off they tend to be an asshole. Keeping your cards close to your chest is often a better social move here, because showing off invites open ridicule.
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09:59:31 mircea_popescu: truffles is of course on my ignore, so yeah.
09:59:39 cads: From my personal experience, for example, when Romanians show off in front of Americans, at best they tend to be perceived as lovable assholes. The fact that many romanians tend to show off only they can back it with something tangible helps in establishing relationships between americans and romanians, but there is often a secret distaste.
09:59:43 Chaang-Noi: yeah showing off in thailand is so much different than showing off in the usa
09:59:58 mircea_popescu: cads where's the romanians spring up from ?!
10:00:11 cads: I'm romanian, hah
10:00:40 mircea_popescu: a lol ok.
10:00:41 Chaang-Noi: wow 2/3rd of this conversation is romainian :)
10:00:47 mircea_popescu: anyway, the problem is mistaken socialisation. the average american can not simply go talk to a woman.
10:00:47 truff1es: "lovable assholes" is there such a thing
10:00:57 mircea_popescu: they have weirdo protestant issues.
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10:01:16 Chaang-Noi: i ahve no problem with your girl being a girl, that is not it at all lol
10:01:36 mircea_popescu: no, we were discussing his showoff thing.
10:01:41 Chaang-Noi: inaba?
10:01:51 mircea_popescu: i thought the mpoe-pr discussion is over, as in, sigh.
10:01:51 Chaang-Noi: reptilla?
10:01:51 truff1es: they switched topics
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10:01:59 mircea_popescu: are you ignoring cads or something ?
10:02:03 cads: mircea_popescu: yep. And they're also very guarded about their real capabilities, so for example, whereas a romanian might be happy to brag about how little he payed on a car if you ask, asking an american the same question is often a faux pas.
10:02:05 truff1es: romanians showing off = lovable assholes
10:02:24 Chaang-Noi: im multy tasking, sorry, im sure the fail is on my end
10:02:26 mircea_popescu: eh faux pas my foot.
10:03:08 mircea_popescu: i submit that taking this retarded childrengarten bullshit into consideration is empowering the mental disease.
10:03:11 mircea_popescu: it's not a faux pas and if johnny thinks so let him go in a corner and sulk
10:03:38 Chaang-Noi: in thailand if you ahve money you are expected to show off
10:03:59 Chaang-Noi: people pay 4 times the normal price of a car (cuz taxes) just so they can show off
10:04:06 mircea_popescu: lol
10:04:11 cads: hehe
10:04:12 cads: nice!
10:04:16 Chaang-Noi: people respect things ehre more than people and idea
10:04:18 mircea_popescu: nobody can just be normal it seems ;/
10:04:34 Chaang-Noi: its not how smart your brain is, but how smart you are dressed that matters
10:04:56 truff1es: Chaang-Noi ask mp to define normal
10:05:11 Chaang-Noi: mp truffles wants to know what "normal" means
10:06:34 cads: mircea_popescu: for salaried upper middle class workers in romania, what is the normal attitude towards revealing their exact salary figure to their coworkers?
10:07:04 Chaang-Noi: ah wage slaves
10:07:27 mircea_popescu: cads i have no idea tbh.
10:07:34 Diablo-D3: !ticker
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10:07:57 cads: Say I receive $100K a year, and I suspect that this is $20K more than the rest of my coworkers in the same position as me, because I'm more skilled. Would it be something I'd brag about?
10:09:14 Chaang-Noi: i dont think mp knows many wage slaves
10:10:03 cads: hehe, perhaps not
10:10:17 mircea_popescu: yeah i tend to not hire romanians
10:11:33 mircea_popescu: anyway, as far as salaries go about 7k a year pre tax would be an average salary.
10:11:46 mircea_popescu: i don't see where exactly you'd be making 100k a year and have coworkers in the same office making 80.
10:12:10 mircea_popescu: senior tv execs working for the main network make 15 or some shit
10:13:04 Chaang-Noi: do most people speak english in romania?
10:13:20 Chaang-Noi: sounds like a fun place to visit
10:13:27 mircea_popescu: senior corporate officers in state entreprises make something like 15-20k and they're talking of introducing a tax just for them to lower that.
10:13:36 cads: mircea_popescu: this is common here in upper management in mid to large scale businesses. My understanding is that when the amounts of money are that large, it becomes profitable to remain private about them. People say "I got the raise!" but don't say how much the raise was.
10:13:42 mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi the younger kids mostly do, about half pretty well about half so-so
10:13:47 mircea_popescu: the older folks mostly don't.
10:13:56 Chaang-Noi: cool
10:14:08 Chaang-Noi: if i make it to europe ill stop by
10:14:37 mircea_popescu: cads you know i'm perfectly aware who makes what where
10:15:03 mircea_popescu: "Can Facebook lead to psychosis? One study says so" win.
10:15:48 cads: hah, charming
10:16:12 mircea_popescu: where are you anyway, canada ?
10:16:37 cads: Atlanta
10:16:59 cads: You? Bucharest?
10:17:23 mircea_popescu: timisoara atm
10:23:39 truff1es: <Chaang-Noi> mp truffles wants to know what "normal" means >>> thanks, achieved the goal even if ignored :)
10:23:39 Chaang-Noi: can you hunt brown bears?
10:31:07 truff1es: i think so
10:33:16 cads: Chaang-Noi: are you from thailand?
10:33:16 cads: hehe, truffles, are you just used to people ignoring you?
10:33:20 truff1es: <cads> hehe, truffles, are you just used to people ignoring you?>>no just assholes
10:33:20 truff1es: irl i dont purposely go into the same space as an asshole, but on the internet most ppl are so its a moot point
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10:42:21 cads: truff1es: I mean, some people are so incoherent in their opinions that I get the distinct feeling that I'm _stupider_ after arguing with them, and if these people consistently attack my positions with poor argument tactics, then I have little to gain from them in way of exchange of ideas, and I ignore them.
10:43:02 truff1es: hmmmm
10:43:12 truff1es: then u ask for clarification
10:43:24 truff1es: information is what you make of it
10:44:18 cads: truff1es: information from a random variable is what you make of it, true, but if the variable is too random, it's impossible to make knowledge from it, however hard you try :D
10:44:53 truff1es: hence why its best to seek clarification
10:45:05 truff1es: cant really do that through ignore
10:47:06 cads: truffles, lets put it this way. Consider you talk to 10 people online, and you know that 9 of those people tend to say things that you fine useful, some of the time. But now imagine that the 10th person not only says things that are useless, they also try to mislead you, and they drown out the reasonable words of the other 9 people.
10:47:58 cads: And suppose that after extensive attempts at asking for clarification, the person continues to demonstrate that they do not have your interest in mind - they continue to BS you, and what's worse, arguing with them makes you look like a fool in front of the other 9 people.
10:48:02 truff1es: they also try to mislead you, and they drown out the reasonable words of the other 9 people.>>> this needs clarification
10:50:14 cads: truff1es: sure, let me clarify with an example. 9 people are decent people interested in talking about the topic, and the 10th person is just a troll, interested in ridiculing anyone that gives them attention. Say they are flooding the channel, and there are no ops, and you're being distracted from your other 9 contemporaries.
10:50:50 truff1es: ok.. but id assume spam gets boot
10:51:06 cads: would you not ignore the offensive charachter? Or would you force yourself to take cognitive loss, and manually take the time filter out the useless chatter?
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10:52:43 cads: truff1es: giving yourself a cognitive advantage by ignoring the poor information source is a good strategy in these situations - it's not weakness, it's prudence.
10:52:44 truff1es: i would disagree that although these 9 people are coherent it does not imply they hold your best interest, information is for me to filter so i wouldnt see the need to ignore..
10:53:28 mircea_popescu: cads http://polimedia.us/fraudsters/2013/my-background-cliffsnotes/
10:53:33 mircea_popescu: there, you're responsible.
10:53:47 cads: oh dear god, for what?
10:54:11 cads: oh what have I done :D
10:55:31 mircea_popescu: lol
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10:56:27 cads: hehe, truff1es I hear what you're saying, but surely even you draw limits at a certain point: consider, one may choose not hang out on 4chan. This is the same as ignoring every single member of 4chan. If you believe you have the capacity to filter out all information by directly reading it, then why aren't you plugged into every chat in the world, filtering?
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10:57:16 cads: that was uncharitable, but I hope you get my drift - ignoring someone is just one of the many ways of filtering your information input
10:57:17 truff1es: i like to read but you have to learn to skim :p
10:58:05 cads: I believe that you simply assign a negative emotional connotation towards it because you've been at the blunt end of an ignore or two, and you know how much that stings
10:58:53 truff1es: i havent been on irc in a while afaik i dont get ignored much
10:59:34 truff1es: mp is just an asshole and ran from a debate imo
11:00:53 truff1es: filtering is a philosophy not based on emotional reactions..
11:01:07 cads: I would agree there
11:02:17 truff1es: ure trying to say that because i mightve been ignored in the past, i take this postion, it would be so regardless
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11:02:41 cads: nah, I think I may have made a red herring there
11:03:06 cads: truff1es: also, it occurs to me that leaving a chat room is not the same as ignoring everyone in that chat room. Information is not symmetric, in the latter case.
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11:04:08 truff1es: can you restate that
11:05:44 cads: truff1es: If I ignore someone in a chat, they can still see what I'm saying. So it's not the same thing as leaving the chat. Ignore can be used to assert a sort of dominance.
11:06:35 truff1es: heh
11:06:48 truff1es: mp tries
11:07:00 cads: truff1es: In other words, ignore actually can be used as an asshole strategy. is that part of your argument against the desirability of ignore?
11:07:35 cads: I would argue that I have used ignore judiciously many times... but I'd also admit that I've used it a few times in a mean spirit.
11:08:13 cads: *shrug*, in any case, we could philosophize about this all day
11:08:22 truff1es: yep
11:08:22 cads: any closing words?
11:08:40 cads: it's time to cook some breakfast and get started with the day here :D
11:08:45 truff1es: do whats best for you..
11:09:31 mircea_popescu: now you know why he's on my ignore.
11:09:31 truff1es: enjoy
11:09:44 mircea_popescu: there's plenty of fucking support channels for people with emo issues. this happens to be the bitcoin assets chan.
11:09:53 mircea_popescu: he has no assets and so doesn't really belong.
11:10:09 truff1es: *rolls eyes*
11:11:54 cads: haha, mircea_popescu, and what assets have I? Besides my charming good looks, which are hardly fungible ;)
11:12:44 mircea_popescu: it's a start.
11:12:56 cads: I guess maybe the only claim to legitimacy I have is that I'm genuinely interested in understanding assets
11:13:37 truff1es: so am i ..
11:24:15 cads: truff1es: good deal. as long as we remain teachable, life is pretty good, I find
11:25:16 cads: just.. don't learn any lessons that are not profitable
11:25:31 truff1es: i dont live to make just profits
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11:26:18 truff1es: everything is a learning experince including our discussion
11:26:20 truff1es: to me
11:28:10 truff1es: im here because its part of the bitcoins sphere, which is currently my interest
11:28:19 truff1es: i think thats what u wanted to know
11:28:50 Chaaang-Noi: piratebay now accepts litecoins :)
11:29:37 truff1es: u dont have to use a mirror Chaaang-Noi?
11:30:01 Chaaang-Noi: what?
11:30:10 truff1es: piratebay mirror site
11:30:13 Chaaang-Noi: to send them ltcs?
11:30:22 Chaaang-Noi: piratebay.sx
11:30:22 truff1es: unrelated
11:30:35 Chaaang-Noi: but no, to send ltc you dont need a mirror, that is not how litecoin owrks
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11:31:11 truff1es: ok. was asking a broad question
11:32:43 truff1es: thanks, ill be using it more often again
11:33:03 Chaaang-Noi: then send them some crypto they take btc too
11:34:13 truff1es: when i get some, not the 1st place i send to
11:34:50 truff1es: great song on the page
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11:58:03 Chaaang-Noi: 111.111 lol
11:58:06 Chaaang-Noi: ;ticker
11:58:09 Chaaang-Noi: ;;ticker
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12:00:22 thestringpuller: Chaaang-Noi: you cool as shit
12:00:30 thestringpuller: even tho u a bit cray cray
12:01:13 Chaaang-Noi: lol what?
12:01:53 Uglux: lol
12:04:40 thestringpuller: You is living the American Dream in Thailand.
12:04:46 Chaaang-Noi: yeah
12:04:57 Chaaang-Noi: life is good
12:05:07 thestringpuller: life is always good if you are living :P
12:05:12 thestringpuller: or at least should be
12:05:19 kakobrekla: sup
12:05:21 Chaaang-Noi: i hear guantanimo bay sucks
12:05:56 cads: mircea_popescu, I read your story - quite the adventure, I see. I admire your tenacity and natural talent, while being relieved to see that you do not yet have it "all figured out", which I feel would be boring for you. I wish you continued prosperity and a future that does not cease to provide interesting situations!
12:06:10 thestringpuller: Okay: life is always good if you are living and not locked up. :P
12:06:18 mircea_popescu: ha. ty.
12:06:30 thestringpuller: you are making us atlantians look bad cads
12:06:44 cads: I'm amazed with the care and attention that romanian schools give to the smart kids - here in america, being bright means being ridiculed
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12:06:53 thestringpuller: cads: We got Ludacris and Outkast tho.
12:06:58 thestringpuller: And the Braves.
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12:07:23 cads: thestringpuller: and some nice architecture, to boot
12:07:35 cads: thestringpuller: you are an atlien?
12:07:39 Chaaang-Noi: where is this story about mp?
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12:08:12 thestringpuller: LOL. I live here. But I was born an lived my infancy in da north.
12:08:14 cads: Chaaang-Noi: repaste is here: http://polimedia.us/fraudsters/2013/my-background-cliffsnotes/
12:08:20 thestringpuller: I lived her most my life*
12:08:36 cads: thestringpuller: the real test: do you ever use the word "y'all"
12:08:43 cads: or the phrase "what had happened was..."
12:08:43 mircea_popescu: cads well that was some years ago.
12:08:46 thestringpuller: I is from da burbs though.
12:08:55 mircea_popescu: but yes, being smart meant you get the blowjobs back then
12:09:19 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.22222 = 2.4444 BTC [+]
12:09:21 thestringpuller: No. I'm a suburban unfortunately. But my homies is gangsta.
12:09:26 mircea_popescu: fwiw, i liked atlanta.
12:09:37 ThickAsThieves: i liked atlanta too
12:09:40 ThickAsThieves: went there recently
12:10:06 ThickAsThieves: some of it reminded me of parts of Boston
12:10:15 mircea_popescu: looks like a bad geek hairdo
12:10:28 ThickAsThieves: it's the only metro city i've been to in the southeast that i liked
12:10:37 cads: mircea_popescu, ThickAsThieves, ty. I love my city, and really, economically, architecturally, culturally, there are only a handful of other american cities that match or exceed it.
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12:10:57 cads: at least so I tell myself, lol
12:11:01 thestringpuller: Atlanta is lame yo. Whatchu talkin' bout cads.
12:11:12 mircea_popescu: you could do worse. you could be from like... i dunno, mobile ?
12:11:23 mircea_popescu: la ?
12:11:27 thestringpuller: We have lame colleges, and lame infrastructure. We just happen to not be as lame as the other places around us.
12:11:59 mircea_popescu: lame colleges only matter up until you're about 25. then you realise it's a waste of time anyway
12:12:22 cads: thestringpuller: haha, as a recent college dropout, I can attest to the lame college. As a daily marta rider for the last two years, I can attest to the failing infrastructure.
12:13:02 thestringpuller: State school kinda suck. It's all public image and no substance.
12:13:11 thestringpuller: Exactly what mircea_popescu loves.
12:13:13 thestringpuller: :P
12:13:23 cads: still, there is something rough, vulgar, and thriving about this city that I don't feel when in, say, pittsburg, or saint louis, or miami
12:13:50 thestringpuller: That's because so many people come through it.
12:13:56 thestringpuller: Atlanta is a whore with that airport of hers.
12:14:13 cads: imo, hating on atlanta and loving on it are the same practice, so anyways, enough loving on atlanta ;)
12:14:21 thestringpuller: http://mbostock.github.io/d3/talk/20111116/airports.html hover over atlanta
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12:15:17 mircea_popescu: whoa i had no diea
12:15:21 mircea_popescu: bigger than ohare even
12:15:27 cads: oh gosh, the airport... it's like rich white men said, "lets take the poorest sector of the city and put an airport in it. But here's the catch, lets hire _only people from the suburbs, MUAHAHAHA"
12:16:30 thestringpuller: The only thing more lame than living in Atlanta is Texas.
12:17:06 mircea_popescu: i loved texas gtfo
12:17:17 thestringpuller: Have you ever lived there?!?
12:17:28 thestringpuller: That place is miserable unless you were born in a desert :P
12:17:35 cads: actually, there's a lot of that 'white privilege' sentiment going on it Atlanta. That, and the narrow religious views, those are the only things I really dislike about my city.
12:18:05 thestringpuller: cads: not the trend of becoming hipster land
12:18:51 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller you kidding, all it has are hot blondy bartenders who buy me drinks
12:19:12 thestringpuller: so does LA but the weather is far superior
12:19:28 mircea_popescu: meh.
12:19:57 thestringpuller: It goes over 100 in that Texas/Arizona region
12:20:16 cads: thestringpuller: one time some black dudes came into my house and beat me and robbed me at gun point. The interrogated me for an hour about where the drugs were (my roommate at the time was a drug dealer - bad fucking choice on my part). In the months after that I found rascist sentiment from around me was taking root in my mind very easily.
12:20:23 cads: so I decided to hate hipsters instead
12:20:38 thestringpuller: The only time I've gone to Las Vegas I thought I was going to melt, or at least my shoes.
12:20:40 cads: I despise rascism as a form of extreme mental weakness
12:20:57 cads: but then I realized that my new found hate of hipsters was just as bad!
12:21:20 mircea_popescu: cads wait.
12:21:22 thestringpuller: dude hipsters suuuuck, they are leftovers from the dot com boom
12:21:24 mircea_popescu: you KNEW he was dealing ?
12:22:13 cads: mircea_popescu: worse, I was a customer. He was a pot dealer, nothing serious, but he had a high profile.
12:22:30 mircea_popescu: well that was pretty retarded, then. what did you think was going to happen ?
12:22:57 thestringpuller: cads is jesse pinkman
12:23:00 thestringpuller: lol
12:23:22 cads: mircea_popescu: I wasn't in a mental state to attempt to compute rational expectations at the time.
12:23:41 mircea_popescu: i'm envisaging that brad pitt role in true romance
12:23:46 cads: thestringpuller: haha, minus the meth
12:23:49 mircea_popescu: incidentally, wasn't that the most adequate role for pitt ever ?
12:24:12 cads: haha, you're going to think me a philistine, but I've not seen the film, despite being a pitt fan
12:24:56 mircea_popescu: its not bad.
12:25:00 mircea_popescu: actually i wonder...
12:25:04 mircea_popescu: ;;google fraudsters true romance
12:25:05 gribble: New MPEx key pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: http://polimedia.us/fraudsters/2013/new-mpex-key/; So what's the plan with MPOE/MPEx ? pe fraudsters - Un blog de ...: http://polimedia.us/fraudsters/2013/so-whats-the-plan-with-mpoempex/; The Trilemma Revised: Harry Potter and a Landscape of Moral ...: http://ir.uiowa.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1063&context=poroi
12:25:12 mircea_popescu: seems not
12:25:14 Chaaang-Noi: mp Argentina eh?
12:25:27 mircea_popescu: dude google is fucking useless
12:25:28 Chaaang-Noi: i want has visit
12:25:40 mircea_popescu: Chaaang-Noi bring silver
12:25:48 Chaaang-Noi: that i can do
12:25:53 cads: thestringpuller: remember when pinkman is in rehab, convincing others to go back out and use? Yeah, I don't think I was ever that bad off, lol
12:25:55 Chaaang-Noi: they like dollars as well
12:26:02 cads: that's just low, lol
12:26:11 mircea_popescu: Chaaang-Noi its a joke. i think half the world;s silver comes from argentina
12:26:17 mircea_popescu: hence the motherfuckin' name
12:26:24 Chaaang-Noi: i know they have hard currancy issues,
12:26:35 cads: mircea_popescu: aha, another person that notices that google's performance is collapsing under the cascade of data
12:26:37 Chaaang-Noi: i dont think silver is a bad idea, but dollars from the usa are better
12:26:54 cads: mircea_popescu: we need another fundamental breakthrough in search engine technology, but soon.
12:27:08 kakobrekla: i think the problem is gribble aint personalized :)
12:27:10 mircea_popescu: cads by the time you give it the site title and two words from the page title and it finds two pages on that site w/o the words in them...
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12:27:26 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you know my browser is anon.
12:27:36 cads: perhaps an incentive structure that doesn't force the search engine firm to degrade its search quality in return for profits
12:27:45 kakobrekla: mircea_popescu they only correct way
12:27:56 mircea_popescu: cads that's only going to happen once we make marketing illegal.
12:28:05 mircea_popescu: i don't understand why rape is illegal and marketing is not ffs.
12:28:24 mircea_popescu: the other way around would make for a better world even.
12:30:50 cads: Haha, trading the maiden-hood for the consumer good.
12:31:30 cads: you may be right, strictly speaking - the problem is that people have not yet understood that marketing equals coercion
12:31:40 mircea_popescu: but i mean, what, they put up signs and what, i have to "Deal with it" ?
12:31:58 mircea_popescu: why doesn't the rape victim "Deal with it" while all the marketing bullshit is punished by 20 to life.
12:32:43 cads: hah, mircea, for someone with such a pretty mouth you sure are courageous to unleash rape on the world
12:32:58 cads: legal rape would still be abhorrent
12:33:08 mircea_popescu: legal marketing is even more abhorrent
12:33:15 cads: hehe, and pardon my joke
12:33:38 mircea_popescu: actually ima write this up, the similarities line up all too well.
12:36:44 cads: mircea_popescu: I would be forced to agree, though in your writeup consider that you are a parent with a daughter. You live in a world where the collapse of the viability of marketing strategies has lead to an unprecedented increase in the productivity and quality of life, on average. And all that you've had to pay is that your daughter got raped 6 times while she was growing up, starting at the age of 6, with her teacher, 9 with a boy
12:36:44 cads: in the town, 11 with a janitor, and so on. You did not have legal resource in these situations, and the 2 men that you secretly had killed, they could put you in jail from beyond the grave if you are discovered. You live in a world of unprecedented prosperity, where vigilantism is prohibited.
12:37:06 cads: is this is acceptable from this peasant father perspective?
12:37:25 mircea_popescu: you know this is exactly how women got pregnant for most of human history ?
12:37:36 mircea_popescu: and when i say most i don't mean 51%. i mean 99.9999addnines%
12:38:03 cads: granted, and it's also how most animals get pregnant
12:38:08 mircea_popescu: for that matter, if your putative daughter gets raped today your practical recourse is
12:38:18 mircea_popescu: ;;google that russian guy who went on a rampage cause they raped his daughter
12:38:19 gribble: War rape - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_rape; List of serial killers by number of victims - Wikipedia, the free ...: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_serial_killers_by_number_of_victims; Ram Singh: Delhi gang rape suspect's family claim he was ...: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2291392/Ram-Singh-Delhi-gang-rape-suspects- (1 more message)
12:38:28 mircea_popescu: totally useful this google doohickey.
12:38:38 mircea_popescu: explain to me again why people think it should have a higher market cap than mpoe ?
12:40:10 cads: marketing ;)
12:40:16 mircea_popescu: ol
12:40:19 mircea_popescu: good one
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12:43:02 cads: mircea_popescu, you know sexual molestation is not only prevalent among females, but also among males. We are truly animals when we allow ourselves to be, and who can estimate the lost productivity due to the social and psychological handicaps imposed by such scarring episodes of violence?
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12:44:08 cads: it is perhaps true that if society accepted it the negative impact per rape victim would go down, but the net effect would be negative almost surely, since the new rape-rate equilibrium would be immense
12:44:34 cads: and yet still probably cheaper than the loss due to marketing and irrational consumerism, hah.
12:44:46 mircea_popescu: indeed.
12:44:54 mircea_popescu: i am not arguing rape is good
12:45:00 mircea_popescu: i am arguing rape is bad and marketing is way worse.
12:45:14 kakobrekla: seriously argentina?
12:45:41 cads: also rape can be good if she asks for it in that certain way :)
12:45:56 cads: but that's hardly rape, however much it may attempt to simulate it
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12:49:47 cads: hehe, I dunno if that constituted rape though
12:50:30 cads: certainly the men felt that the would not have to answer to rape charges due to the nature of the sex play situation, and she never filed charges, and seems to have chalked it up as "just one of those things"
12:50:55 kakobrekla: does she still want to be tied up?
12:51:17 cads: hehe, lovely girl, and a smart mathematician, the best tit's I've ever... kakobrekla yes
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12:51:30 cads: but she's getting married now, sadly :D
12:51:44 kakobrekla: not so smart mathematitican then
12:52:01 cads: haha, if you were a mathematician you'd know just how stupid we are
12:53:07 cads: I once spent 5 hours arguing with her that transfinite ordinals are no obviously inconsistent, against her objections
12:53:38 cads: and then we went to bed, and the next morning she was up proving the basic properties of transfinite ordinals
12:53:52 kakobrekla: hehe
12:54:09 cads: and had made me pankakes and written "you were right" in whipped cream
12:55:08 cads: the _only_ argument I ever 'won', that girl was stubborn
12:55:25 mircea_popescu: titican lol
12:55:54 kakobrekla: lol
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12:56:24 mircea_popescu: cads http://polimedia.us/fraudsters/2010/nsfw-mosu-cu-joarda/
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12:56:28 mircea_popescu: there, no rope needed.
12:56:40 kakobrekla: also learn to skim read
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12:57:54 mircea_popescu: anyway, so did she ever find the aleph-one ?
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12:59:22 cads: mircea_popescu: yeah, his name is shawn, and they're pretty perfect for each other - each as stubborn as the day is long
12:59:30 mircea_popescu: nono
12:59:44 mircea_popescu: i mean, the intermediate cardinal
13:00:00 mircea_popescu: between naturals and reals.
13:00:12 cads: haha, we never did talk about the continuum hypothesis
13:00:29 mircea_popescu: but that'd have been the end of your debate
13:00:39 mircea_popescu: here, there's an extra infinite.
13:02:40 cads: we got to isomorphism classes between ordered set, and I tried at long length to motivate that the real numbers were not countable, and she kept coming up with silly schemes to try to count them, because to her, at the time, it was absolutely absurd for there two be two infinite sets with qualitatively different amounts of infiniteness
13:02:54 mircea_popescu: um
13:03:04 mircea_popescu: that's easily provable tho neh ? cantor's countability trick
13:03:19 mircea_popescu: sort out all the numbers then show you can make one which is distinct from each on a different digit
13:03:48 mircea_popescu: by "easily provable" i mean easily showable to the intuitive approach
13:04:08 cads: yep, suppose that C_k : N -> R is a counting of the real numbers, then there exists a number x_k such that x_k is not in the image of C_k
13:04:54 cads: x_k is easy to construct for any possible C_k
13:04:58 mircea_popescu: ya but it helps if you actually list them out
13:05:00 mircea_popescu: but anyway
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13:06:56 mircea_popescu: alternatively of course, she could have proven the continuum, thus proving frankel set theory incorrect,which is also good enough
13:07:08 mircea_popescu: either way, either by producing a counter example or by actually showing the hyptothesis to be correct
13:07:21 mircea_popescu: and by incorrect i mean inconsistenty
13:09:08 cads: it was strange, like a cognitive blindspot - I tried what you suggest, and a few other approaches that I invented just during that conversation (which have been useful in similar situation). I lost a lot of faith in her as a mathematician, but regained it in the morning - she was chattering like a bluejay about how she now sees why she was wrong in her reasoning and why I was right: her intuition was that you can't just infinitely exte
13:09:08 cads: nd C_k to C_k', and for some reason just wasn't getting that _forall_ C_k there is an x_k, and that even any C_k' that she could concoct would also have its own fatal x_k'.
13:10:01 mircea_popescu: lol
13:10:03 cads: mircea_popescu: now wouldn't that have been a sight? two stoned college math students, disproving ZFC
13:10:07 mircea_popescu: freud would have been happy
13:10:11 mircea_popescu: "see ? woman brain!"
13:10:16 mircea_popescu: schopenhauer even happier.
13:10:21 mircea_popescu: in his gloomy way.
13:12:38 cads: to her credit, her area was in the statistics of neuronal bursting in biological neural networks, and for some god awful reason, basic logic courses at our university do _not_ adequately introduce foundational issues such as ordinals or even set theory as an axiomatic topic
13:12:59 mircea_popescu: anyway, it is my considered opinion (along with, i wager, most everyone else's) that positively the ONLY way that's getting show to be inconsistent is
13:13:12 mircea_popescu: by some intoxicated kids during having sex or somesuch
13:13:16 mircea_popescu: everything else was tried to death.
13:13:55 cads: it's like, naive set theory without talking about the axiom of choice, or the axiom of infinity, or the implications.. part of the reason I recently dropped out - if this is what the undergraduate math degree means here, I'm not interested in it
13:14:14 cads: mircea_popescu: haha, you may be on to something
13:15:08 cads: maybe she was on to the truth and I squelched her breakthrough!
13:15:17 mircea_popescu: feelbad.gif
13:17:18 cads: I stopped hanging out with her to get sober and start hanging out with a vocalist/painter, and then a year later I found she's engaged - I wonder if she knows I still have sentiment.. it's not something I thought I had
13:17:32 mircea_popescu: well did you tell her ?
13:20:42 cads: not at the time, and not since I heard she was settling down - I was muddled up back then, and more recently I figured she has a chance at happiness with her guy, and have wished that to her.
13:21:01 zebedee_: Chaaang-Noi: I'll buy some THB from you for BTC if you're in a bad way.
13:21:08 mircea_popescu: stop being such a fag and tell the girl.
13:21:19 zebedee_: Gotta pay for my fun somehow.
13:22:02 cads: It's not a longing sentiment, since we had our issues, and she's still a toker, and I still am sober, thought you're probably right, it would not hurt her to know that I marvel and take joy in the high points of our relationship
13:22:36 mircea_popescu: for the record, i never met a sane mathematician who was any good.
13:22:51 mircea_popescu: if you had a business head on your shoulders as good as mine, you'd start a special slush fgund about now
13:23:17 mircea_popescu: and when her current relationship implodes you can bridge her for half a year on rent and food while she sucks your cock and figures out what next.
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13:23:38 cads: brilliant strategery
13:24:42 mircea_popescu: you can even tell her this when it happens and she's all confused, "honey... here's a chatlog"
13:25:29 mircea_popescu: zebedee_ pix ?
13:26:47 cads: you're talking to someone that just a year ago found the idea of leverage very exotic, and just 6 months ago was aghast to find out that his financial position has sickeningly leveraged re. his student loans, and decided to put his schooling on panic crash
13:27:04 cads: haha, for me to set aside a slush fund just for women, now that would be bold
13:27:52 mircea_popescu: lol well... not ghood ideas are practical.
13:27:56 cads: but not hard at all, and a fun exercise in personal wealth management
13:29:33 zebedee_: pix? Meeting Goat on Tuesday.
13:29:50 zebedee_: Nothing wrong with enjoying getting tied up. I like both ends myself.
13:32:58 zebedee_: http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7046/6855106703_844f08ffbd_z.jpg I've had shibari lessons from this dude.
13:33:59 mircea_popescu: i never took lessosn
13:34:13 zebedee_: Definitely helps; Japanese are the best IMO.
13:34:37 mircea_popescu: helps what tho ?
13:35:05 zebedee_: There's skill in a) safety (quick release, avoiding pressure in bad areas etc). and b) aesthetics
13:35:27 zebedee_: I've seen others and there's a lot lacking, to my eyes at least.
13:35:43 mircea_popescu: safety is unrelated tho, it's just a study of anatomy. can learn it a thousand different ways.
13:35:51 mircea_popescu: and i guess my motivation is not aesthetical.
13:36:05 mircea_popescu: or if it is, it's personal rather than cultural. i couldn't care less what some japanese dude finds beautiful.
13:37:34 Chaaang-Noi: zebedee_ im not in a bad way but i could buy some thai baht, you in thailand?
13:37:50 zebedee_: Oh I thought you had too many. I don't have any.
13:38:02 zebedee_: Will be on Tuesday as discussed.
13:38:16 Chaaang-Noi: oh right, sorry, did not even register :)
13:38:20 zebedee_: lol
13:38:32 zebedee_: You wanna sell THB? If not I'll just dump some JPY notes.
13:38:39 Chaaang-Noi: some guy wants to meet me to sell 30,000 thai baht for btc wheni go
13:39:06 Chaaang-Noi: you want to buy more btc
13:39:07 Chaaang-Noi: ?
13:39:21 zebedee_: No I want THB. I'm indifferent to dropping some BTC or JPY.
13:39:25 Chaaang-Noi: oh right, sorry, i did not read that collectly
13:39:35 zebedee_: If you want to sell THB then I'll buy some off you. If you don't it's cool.
13:39:51 Chaaang-Noi: yeah ill sell you thai baht
13:39:58 Chaaang-Noi: how much are you looking for?
13:40:17 zebedee_: OK. About $1k equivalent, so perhaps 30k THB.
13:40:24 Chaaang-Noi: yeah thats cool
13:40:49 Chaaang-Noi: there is a guy who is going to meet me in bkk with 30,000 thb to buy btc so this should work out perfectly
13:40:53 zebedee_: OK. Let's call it 25k for now.
13:40:58 Chaaang-Noi: yeah thats fine
13:41:02 Chaaang-Noi: im easy
13:41:03 zebedee_: Nice.
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13:42:33 Chaaang-Noi: ill have cash on hand even if thqat other guy does not show
13:42:43 Chaaang-Noi: he has not responced once i confirmed the dats
13:42:45 Chaaang-Noi: dates
13:42:52 zebedee_: OK, done.
13:43:02 Chaaang-Noi: cool
13:43:04 zebedee_: I'll have them on my phone.
13:43:17 Chaaang-Noi: you can send to my laptop?
13:43:33 zebedee_: Of course; I send to a BTC address :)
13:43:47 Chaaang-Noi: i can send you an address before hand but dont send until we meet and i show you the cash
13:43:59 zebedee_: Sure that's not a problem.
13:44:03 Chaaang-Noi: its crazy sending in advance
13:44:14 Chaaang-Noi: you hear about that finish guy? wired me 2.65 million baht
13:44:18 zebedee_: I was assuming you'd show me a QR on your mobile, but whatever.
13:44:22 Chaaang-Noi: still has not asked for his btc
13:44:30 Chaaang-Noi: yeah i dont trust phones
13:44:31 zebedee_: Yeah; that's why I thought you had too many THB.
13:44:41 zebedee_: I can understand that.
13:45:03 Chaaang-Noi: iv used them just to try it out, but id rather just use the laptob
13:45:09 Chaaang-Noi: tob
13:45:11 zebedee_: No probs.
13:45:11 Chaaang-Noi: fuck
13:45:15 Chaaang-Noi: sorry, had a few beers
13:45:20 Chaaang-Noi: cant type
13:45:41 Chaaang-Noi: we are moving and giving away a lot of our extra furniture and stuff to the cambodian migrant workers here
13:45:48 Chaaang-Noi: and well, cant work with out beer :)
13:46:02 zebedee_: Which part of Thailand do you live in?
13:46:20 cads: mircea_popescu, I think you've inspired me to put a beginning of a story on my (currently nearly empty) blog.
13:46:49 mircea_popescu: cool.
13:46:55 cads: it will be far grittier than yours, just a start to a possible tale of intrigue
13:47:53 Chaaang-Noi: i live near koh chang
13:47:57 Chaaang-Noi: near the cambo boarder
13:48:04 Chaaang-Noi: lots of fruit orchirds here
13:48:07 Chaaang-Noi: so lots of workers
13:48:12 zebedee_: Ah right. I was in Siam Reap in November.
13:48:18 Chaaang-Noi: cool
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13:49:00 Chaaang-Noi: hey that guy just contacted me
13:49:19 Chaaang-Noi: should i invite him to nana? i honestly know almost nothing about him so i dont know if he is cool or not
13:49:26 Chaaang-Noi: he is new to btc
13:49:31 Chaaang-Noi: but seems to live in bkk
13:49:39 zebedee_: Up to you.
13:49:52 zebedee_: You seem to be not too far from Koh Samet - I was there in Feb!
13:50:21 Chaaang-Noi: yeah, im more east
13:51:41 thestringpuller: ;;calc 6.07*1.12
13:51:41 gribble: 6.7984
13:51:54 Chaaang-Noi: anyway i gota go afk for a bit, bbl peace
13:52:00 zebedee_: ttyl
13:55:45 zebedee_: mircea_popescu: What languages do you speak?
13:56:23 mircea_popescu: a few, why ?
13:56:31 zebedee_: Just curious.
13:56:42 zebedee_: Your English is v. good. Wondering how you learnt.
13:57:28 mircea_popescu: you learn languages from women, is my experience.
13:57:50 zebedee_: Lol. It's why I learnt Japanese at least.
13:59:01 mircea_popescu: yeah/. they call it "mother's tongue", but it's not really that special.
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14:11:48 zebedee_: What software creates those weird comments in blogs that are something like "[...] some words or other [...]" with the square brackets? What's that all about?
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14:15:31 Chaaang-Noi: mp i learned thai froom women
14:15:36 Chaaang-Noi: never used a book
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14:17:59 mircea_popescu: yeah.
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15:08:23 Chaaang-Noi: i have the urge to smoke some weed, have not done so in years, odd
15:08:31 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 11 @ 1.268999 = 13.959 BTC [+]
15:08:33 copumpkin: that sounds dangerous in thailand
15:09:03 copumpkin: I accidentally smoked a bit in Budapest
15:09:08 copumpkin: and found out that it's a big no-no
15:10:07 copumpkin: I crossed the Hungary/Croatia border with a little bit of weed and that's apparently a big source of international tension with Hungary, because Hungary is super hardcore about drugs and will throw you in jail for 15 years without a trial for 5, and quite a few foreigners are in that situation
15:16:01 Chaaang-Noi: using drugs in thailand is fine
15:16:07 Chaaang-Noi: selling or traficing is a big no no
15:16:19 copumpkin: ah, okay
15:16:19 Chaaang-Noi: the police and army sell and trafic here so its harsh punsihment
15:16:28 Chaaang-Noi: however they dont care if you buy and use their products
15:16:32 copumpkin: for competing with them? :P
15:16:43 Chaaang-Noi: yeah, they will kill you on site if you are thai
15:16:48 Chaaang-Noi: no shit
15:16:49 copumpkin: wow
15:17:01 Chaaang-Noi: if you are not paying the right guy you are good as dead if caught
15:17:12 Chaaang-Noi: if not dead then 15 years in jail or so
15:17:25 Chaaang-Noi: buying your way out is millions of baht
15:17:57 Chaaang-Noi: but really a farang smoking a joint, they dont give a fuck
15:18:12 Chaaang-Noi: now meth is becoming an issue here, as it leads to crime
15:18:17 Chaaang-Noi: so they are cracking down on meth
15:18:24 Chaaang-Noi: people get hooked then steal shit
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15:18:32 Chaaang-Noi: with opium or weed, they dont give a fuck
15:18:43 copumpkin: ah
15:18:53 copumpkin: how about shrooms/acid/the weirder crap?
15:19:15 Chaaang-Noi: yeah thats fine, but you ahve to get it in tourist areas, and the dealers are paying the cops for sure (or they wont last)
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15:19:52 Chaaang-Noi: thais done use that stuff
15:20:15 Chaaang-Noi: really the thais mostly use "yaa baa" or meth
15:20:43 Chaaang-Noi: coke is rally high here (far from the source)
15:20:50 Chaaang-Noi: h is cheap as fuck as is opium
15:21:18 Chaaang-Noi: weed too
15:21:23 Chaaang-Noi: but its mostly wild
15:21:32 Chaaang-Noi: not as good as the high end stuff you get in the usa
15:22:21 Chaaang-Noi: <copumpkin> I accidentally smoked a bit in Budapest
15:22:26 Chaaang-Noi: how do you accidently smoke?
15:22:39 copumpkin: oh I meant that had I known how harsh their laws were, I wouldn't have dreamt of doing that
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15:22:47 copumpkin: or even bringing any into hungary
15:22:52 Chaaang-Noi: ahh
15:23:02 Chaaang-Noi: i dont cross boarders with it, never never never
15:23:04 copumpkin: it was just the end of a little baggie I had with me while traveling around europe
15:23:08 copumpkin: lol, did lots of that
15:23:18 copumpkin: but hungary is particularly bad
15:23:24 copumpkin: should've just finished it off in croatia
15:23:49 copumpkin: I bought it legally in amsterdam, had most of it, and then forgot about it until I got to slovenia
15:24:05 Chaaang-Noi: i want to travel europe like that
15:24:12 copumpkin: I got one of those rail passes
15:24:14 copumpkin: it was great
15:24:22 Chaaang-Noi: i dont know anyone to go with
15:24:27 copumpkin: very spontaneous travel with my gf for over a month
15:24:38 Chaaang-Noi: yeah that would be cool
15:24:38 copumpkin: we'd just say "oh, that train looks cool" and hop on
15:24:53 Chaaang-Noi: but my wife will have a hard time getting visa i bet cuz she is thai
15:25:08 copumpkin: yeah :/ it might still be possible, not sure how hard
15:25:15 Chaaang-Noi: yeah
15:25:16 copumpkin: lots of foreigners get those rail passes
15:25:24 copumpkin: they actually have different ones for non-EU citizens
15:25:44 copumpkin: annoyingly different price structures but not significantly different levels
15:25:50 Chaaang-Noi: money would not be the issue, it would be the visas
15:25:56 copumpkin: so I had to buy a new pass in the middle of the trip because I got the EU one
15:26:04 Chaaang-Noi: oh that sucks
15:26:20 copumpkin: yeah, not terrible though
15:26:29 copumpkin: anyway, definitely recommended
15:26:38 copumpkin: some countries are more annoying about letting you use it, but it was still mostly a win
15:26:50 Chaaang-Noi: id love to do it, but think it would suck if i did it alone
15:27:08 copumpkin: I'm not sure it would suck, but if you have a SO it would be kind of weird not to do it with them :)
15:27:23 copumpkin: I think traveling alone and meeting cool people in hostels is also fun
15:27:47 Chaaang-Noi: im not as out going as you might think :)
15:27:57 copumpkin: :P
15:28:17 Chaaang-Noi: very content in my basement on irc :)
15:28:53 Chaaang-Noi: if i did the euope thing or whever im sure id hook up with a local girl
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15:29:07 Chaaang-Noi: and then travel, or id have a bad time
15:29:26 Chaaang-Noi: big plans for cinco de mayo?
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15:53:59 Chaaang-Noi: * copumpkin fucks Chaang-Noi
15:54:07 Chaaang-Noi: that casued some lulz this morning :)
15:54:15 Chaaang-Noi: mp was like wtf!
15:54:21 copumpkin: :)
15:54:30 Chaaang-Noi: cuz i said "good morning"
15:54:59 kakobrekla: mornin
15:55:14 Chaaang-Noi: :)
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16:02:11 ardeay_: ;;ticker
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16:04:11 cads: haha, copumpkin I never knew you partoked
16:04:21 copumpkin: :P
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16:05:26 cads: not that it's of any consequence (I had to quit, but I don't judge)
16:05:46 cads: also, cool you see you here
16:06:05 copumpkin: I've never actually done it in the US
16:06:18 copumpkin: I could, since my job doesn't check, but not particularly interested
16:10:41 cads: hmm, am I right to remember that last we talked ( a couple years ago) you were a grad student in midwest university?
16:11:12 copumpkin: nah, I was in a new england university :) but I quit my phd and moved on
16:11:19 copumpkin: but yeah, we did speak about it
16:11:37 cads: I remember I was writing my college application, and you gave me your encouragement
16:11:45 copumpkin: yup :)
16:11:48 copumpkin: going well?
16:11:53 mircea_popescu: he flunked
16:11:57 kakobrekla: o irc reunion?
16:14:15 cads: copumpkin: classes were boring. Substance abuse got unmanageable, and my debt was insane. I'm taking a year or two off to work on my sobriety, to work my same old job as a machinist and deleverage my debt a bit, and to wait and see what happens with higher education.
16:14:37 copumpkin: ah, sorry to hear that
16:15:08 mircea_popescu: da fuck this is the first time i hear someone say that.
16:15:16 mircea_popescu: what were you abusing ?
16:15:25 cads: just pot and alcohol
16:15:41 mircea_popescu: hm
16:15:59 mircea_popescu: ok, that i did hear.
16:16:28 tiberiusiv: ;;asks 50
16:16:30 mircea_popescu: still waiting for the speed freak going "well it was getting unmanageable so i'm taking a year off to deleverage and see what happens"
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16:16:35 tiberiusiv: ;;bids 50
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16:16:40 tiberiusiv: ;;asks 200
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16:20:16 cads: mircea_popescu: I don't mind talking about my substance problem - I'm amazed and embarrased - I kicked speed and heroin to the curb back in 2007, but I thought pot and booze were fine. It's shameful that those brought me lower than anything else has. It's... refreshing to finally be in a spot where I can say _no_ drug is _ever_ going to be a good
16:20:25 cads: a good investment*
16:20:31 tiberiusiv: ??seen bugpowder
16:20:56 tiberiusiv: cads: so you admit to being a loser
16:21:06 mircea_popescu: well um... drugs aren't investments are they
16:21:37 cads: mircea_popescu: I share mostly because from time to time people hear my story, and ask me about how they can get clean
16:21:52 cads: tiberiusiv: absolutely :)
16:22:14 tiberiusiv: why would people want to hear about a loser
16:22:17 cads: tiberiusiv: it's not something I could address till I admitted, basically
16:22:18 tiberiusiv: we only like winners in here
16:22:32 cads: tiberiusiv: you may of course ignore all I have to say
16:22:38 tiberiusiv: cads sorry you arent motivational.
16:22:55 cads: tiberiusiv: and you are not someone that needs to hear what I have to say
16:23:09 benkay: trolling 12-steppers is the lowest
16:23:11 tiberiusiv: what country are you from
16:23:12 jurov: cads, no need to argue with tibby, just ignore him
16:23:13 kakobrekla: cads dont mind local trolls
16:23:25 cads: tiberius, and if that's true, then I salute you
16:23:43 tiberiusiv: i love how ex junkies think people want to listen to them
16:23:46 mircea_popescu: did tiberiusiv win the substance abusing competition too ?
16:23:52 mircea_popescu: is he like real badass ?
16:24:00 tiberiusiv: quiet gypsy
16:24:06 benkay: what's that trophy like?
16:24:34 cads: jurov, kakobrekla, you know, the 5th level of troll-fu is trolling the trolls with pure detachment ;)
16:24:54 jurov: cads, i tried
16:25:01 jurov: but i know when to stop
16:25:08 cads: jurov, I'm not there yet, lol
16:25:11 jurov: not sure aobut you (pun intended)
16:25:25 jurov: ;)
16:26:56 tiberiusiv: cads: where were you getting the funds to buy drugs anyway
16:27:10 tiberiusiv: the junkie usually runs out of $ before he kills himself with an addiction
16:29:23 cads: I mean, you think I'll continue talking to you if I can expect ridicule and if even your contemporaries call you a troll?
16:29:33 cads: Hah.
16:29:46 Chaaang-Noi: tiberslav new lows today i see
16:29:50 Chaaang-Noi: you need help
16:29:59 cads: You can apologize and recover your position or else wither.
16:30:00 Chaaang-Noi: maybe cads can set you right
16:30:17 tiberiusiv: apologize to a loser?
16:30:19 tiberiusiv: for what
16:30:38 tiberiusiv: ex junkies love to think they are some type of celebrity after
16:30:44 tiberiusiv: "sharing" their experience and story.
16:30:51 tiberiusiv: why dont you share stories of cool shit instead.
16:30:54 Chaaang-Noi: dude i share all sorts of shit
16:31:03 tiberiusiv: yea your fine
16:31:09 Chaaang-Noi: hell im smoking and drinking now
16:31:10 kakobrekla: how about not sharing your complaints tib
16:31:20 kakobrekla: rute them t dev/null
16:31:24 kakobrekla: to
16:31:33 Chaaang-Noi: tiberslav feels the needs to share everything he gets upset about like some little girl
16:31:51 Chaaang-Noi: drama queen tiberslav is
16:31:57 Chaaang-Noi: all about tiberslav needs to be the center
16:32:00 tiberiusiv: just saying, EVERY junkie always wants to be a inspirational speaker. its like they accomplished something worth sharing
16:32:11 kakobrekla: cool you have said it move on.
16:32:22 benkay: mircea_popescu: i think this might work as well: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/96/pwnedk.jpg/?sa=0
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16:34:01 kakobrekla: !l m s.dice
16:34:01 assbot: Last trade for S.DICE on MPEX was at 0.00338999 BTC [+]
16:34:28 mircea_popescu: lol
16:35:23 mircea_popescu: there's all these liberals in my twitter feed wtf.
16:35:35 Chaaang-Noi: its twitter
16:35:39 Chaaang-Noi: what did you expect?
16:35:50 Chaaang-Noi: crypto anarchists?
16:35:50 benkay: the new social internet thrives on putting shit in front of you to raise your blood pressure
16:35:52 mircea_popescu: well i hope they butthurt well.
16:36:34 kakobrekla: no Chaaang-Noi, those are on facebook
16:37:08 cads: mircea_popescu: they're in your feed? or following you?
16:37:13 benkay: why are the crypto anarchists on facebook
16:37:28 benkay: actually i know the answer to that
16:37:35 mircea_popescu: cads in my feed
16:38:20 cads: mircea_popescu: if they were following you, you could make a game of offending them so greatly they unfollow you (and it would be fairly easy to analyze who unfollowed you, and what triggered it, lol)
16:38:30 mircea_popescu: In 2000, economist and former U.S. Treasury Secretary Lawrence Summers became president of Harvard. Soon after, Summers held a private meeting with West, where he reportedly rebuked West for missing too many classes, contributing to grade inflation, neglecting serious scholarship, and spending too much time on his economically profitable projects. Summers reportedly suggested that West produce an academic book befittin
16:38:30 mircea_popescu: g his professorial position, as his recent output had consisted primarily of co-written and edited volumes. According to some reports, Summers also objected to West's production of a CD, the critically panned Sketches of My Culture, and to his political campaigning, including an alleged three weeks to promote Bill Bradley's presidential campaign.
16:38:45 mircea_popescu: black guy of no academic value whatsoever gets told off by harvard president
16:39:02 mircea_popescu: harvard president is forced to step down within a year over having said women are maybe not quite as smart as men
16:39:20 cads: mircea_popescu: I have the same issue - I followed a bunch of people because they said something cool once or twice about category theory, haskell, or 3d printing, and the rest is all stuff about how their cat is awesome
16:39:37 mircea_popescu: cads this is worse, it's all retweets of dumb shit.
16:39:52 mircea_popescu: like how some adjuncts at some podunk uni should be paid or whatever nonsense
16:40:21 cads: the only twitter people I actually care to follow are dead authors - @kurt_vonnegut, mostly
16:40:26 tiberiusiv: twitters just another fad
16:40:44 mircea_popescu: i'd never follow something like that.
16:40:52 kakobrekla: tiberiusiv, get the sand out of your vagina pls
16:40:54 mircea_popescu: who is writing it and why are they using some brand
16:40:54 tiberiusiv: filled with twits who use it
16:41:09 benkay: +1
16:41:10 tiberiusiv: hence the name
16:41:15 benkay: degredation in service
16:41:34 cads: benkay: is that so?
16:42:05 cads: it's like "hmm people are still saying mostly pointless things"
16:42:09 tiberiusiv: cads do you need the link to silkroad btw?
16:42:22 kakobrekla: tib has it handy.
16:42:35 tiberiusiv: just making sure hes up to date
16:42:40 benkay: cads: it's a step backwards for the whole internet.
16:42:53 cads: kakobrekla: is tiberiusiv still talking :D
16:43:04 kakobrekla: cads fuck yea
16:43:19 tiberiusiv: facebook with 2billion or whatever users
16:43:19 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla scam. i see nothing.
16:43:23 tiberiusiv: can barely make a decent profit
16:43:35 tiberiusiv: twitters in the same boat
16:43:36 kakobrekla: thar
16:43:41 kakobrekla: also inception now.
16:43:58 assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 2 @ 0.108899 = 0.2178 BTC [+]
16:44:05 benkay: when did the log go live?!
16:44:13 mircea_popescu: benkay i actually announced it yest
16:44:21 kakobrekla: shadap
16:44:22 mircea_popescu: but you weren't paying attention!!1111!
16:44:31 benkay: moar exclamation points plz
16:44:40 kakobrekla: 11
16:44:45 benkay: hey u
16:44:52 benkay: that's not what i assed for
16:44:58 benkay: anyways thanks to all involved
16:45:02 kakobrekla: eleven
16:45:07 mircea_popescu: fucking forum tards
16:45:08 benkay: this will make it vastly easier to pay attention
16:45:15 mircea_popescu: girl spells it with an o. his own fucking link spells it with an o
16:45:18 mircea_popescu: he spells it with an a
16:45:26 mircea_popescu: WHERE DO THESE PEOPEL GO TO SCHOAL
16:45:48 mircea_popescu: jajovregla : that's not what he assed for!
16:46:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 6 @ 1.9102 = 11.4612 BTC [-]
16:46:52 cads: kakobrekla: haha, cooool
16:47:04 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.25 = 2.5 BTC [-]
16:47:23 kakobrekla: lmao
16:47:27 cads: hah, that's uncanny
16:47:41 cads: incpetion.. "we have to go deeper!"
16:47:56 kakobrekla: seems like /me's are skipped
16:48:04 kakobrekla: maybe ill fix it
16:48:05 kakobrekla: maybe i wont
16:48:14 cads: what script are you using?
16:48:14 mircea_popescu: mandatory utube link
16:48:29 cads: kakobrekla: I might need that capability for one of my chat channels
16:48:34 kakobrekla: no script
16:48:37 kakobrekla: a few lines of code
16:49:03 cads: kako, would you mind zapping them to me?
16:49:55 cads: hehe, truly I am a lazy developer (I know full well that there have got to be turn key solutions for chat logging, already)
16:50:13 kakobrekla: i dunno if its much use to you really ... unless i give you assbot too ya know
16:50:30 kakobrekla: well i searched for a premade solutions
16:50:33 kakobrekla: for about 5 min
16:50:36 kakobrekla: then coded my own
16:50:46 benkay: "maybe i'll come down! maybe I won't!"
16:50:59 kakobrekla: lol mircea_popescu
16:51:08 mircea_popescu: :D
16:51:15 kakobrekla: he had a guy here a few years back, climbed on a roof all drunk and naked
16:51:24 kakobrekla: and demanded a helicopter and a pizza with an egg
16:51:27 kakobrekla: or else he jumps
16:51:41 benkay: "don't fuck up my beer now"
16:51:55 kakobrekla: then the police took him down and they had brand new car and couldnt oper the back door
16:52:00 kakobrekla: twas a van accually
16:52:12 mircea_popescu: lol
16:52:13 kakobrekla: the guy ended up driving in the front among the cops, naked
16:52:18 mircea_popescu: ahahaha
16:52:26 mircea_popescu: with a hardon ?
16:52:29 cads: class :)
16:52:29 kakobrekla: lol
16:52:33 benkay: fearboner
16:52:35 kakobrekla: i dont remember seeing that
16:52:57 cads: kakobrekla: this sounds like a story from a former soviet state :D
16:53:07 kakobrekla: naw its somalia
16:53:11 mircea_popescu: actually the town here starting hireing local police and it was mostly chicks. on like, high heels and shit.
16:53:12 jurov: kakobrekla i have older logs for sale... almost uninterrupted since last september or so ;)
16:53:18 mircea_popescu: i got a bj once just on the strength of asking
16:53:24 mircea_popescu: local police is pretty cool.
16:53:36 kakobrekla: cads, slovenia really (dont want you get too confused)
16:54:17 kakobrekla: jurov i have longs since day 1 prolly
16:54:25 kakobrekla: but they are all messed up
16:54:29 kakobrekla: so fuck it
16:54:58 jurov: maybe i can unmess some logs in exchange for fucking
16:55:07 kakobrekla: khm.
16:55:18 kakobrekla: who does who?
16:55:26 jurov: i'm versatile
16:55:49 jurov: let's try both, what feels better
16:56:04 kakobrekla: hehe
16:56:17 kakobrekla: speaking of i heard that there isnt much fuckin among man gay community
16:56:39 kakobrekla: mostly oral?
16:56:49 jurov: where u heard? in church?
16:57:13 kakobrekla: orkaa [on this chan] has lots of gay friends and he did a pool
16:57:28 kakobrekla: poll
16:57:34 kakobrekla: maybe he did a pool too
16:57:47 cads: hmm, It's an interesting problem. Given some number k of incomplete logs, collected by different people, with different latencies, and hence different orders of message arrival in general, how do you fuse the logs into a single log that has more accurate information?
16:57:48 jurov: actually pool might work better
16:58:34 cads: if k is a large number, you can try to find voting blocs - groups of logs that agree on the same history
16:58:42 kakobrekla: cads you disregard accuaracy and thats it
16:59:09 kakobrekla: also disregard my grammer skillz
16:59:19 jurov: cads ask freenode to give you millisecond-precision data
16:59:47 cads: you think they log the channels?
17:00:25 kakobrekla: nah
17:00:38 jurov: i'm rather joking, likely not
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17:02:03 benkay: $avg
17:02:03 cads: in any case, the full problem is an interesting problem in the logging literature and in the AI literature - given some collection of possibly contradictory logs, process them into a single, more trustworthy digest log
17:02:03 mpexbot: benkay: 112.70
17:02:04 jurov: sigh. am wasting time, should be fixing minor mess here instead
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17:02:38 cads: the problem of combing two chatlogs taken from different view points is a much simpler instance of that general problem.
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17:03:44 cads: hehe, and it's totally unreasonable to apply those techniques, when there'd be nothing to gain that grepping through the collected chatlog as they are would not do just as well, hah
17:03:59 benkay: ;;ticker
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17:05:24 mircea_popescu: <jurov> where u heard? in church? << epic.
17:05:45 mircea_popescu: but jurov, seriously : in a household of three women i fuck each maybe once or twice a week
17:05:50 mircea_popescu: and in the ass once a month or less
17:06:06 mircea_popescu: i imagine they'd be pretty sore if the holes were reversed
17:11:20 jurov: oka, i did no research and seems i had luck on guys that don't think very highly on oral
17:11:29 jurov: "sore? yeah, get used to it"
17:11:59 mircea_popescu: i c
17:21:08 Chaaang-Noi: off to get a massage, night all
17:22:24 tiberiusiv: later gook
17:22:53 Chaaang-Noi: you really are slow arnt you tiberslav? :)
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17:23:07 Chaaang-Noi: anyway have a good one, try not to fall down and kill yourself before i get back!
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17:27:07 mircea_popescu: #bitcoin-assets, the liberal-hating trade chanel where people discuss their sexual orientation and substance history
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17:28:02 kakobrekla: you forgot philosophical masturbation
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17:28:08 mircea_popescu: a that too yes
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17:39:28 cads: hey, any 3d printing enthusiasts in here?
17:40:19 kakobrekla: i have ~80% of cnc machine finished which im thinking i could convert to 3d printer
17:40:47 cads: oh nice, what layout?
17:41:03 cads: or make, really
17:44:49 kakobrekla: spent 5k+ on parts and a year of work (when i found the time to fiddle with it)
17:45:08 kakobrekla: then i got occupied with other stuff and its like that for like 2 years maybe more now
17:45:32 cads: kakobrekla: awsome gantry
17:45:42 inhies: i have a mendel
17:45:51 inhies: thats half way through an electronics upgrade from like two years ago...
17:45:53 inhies: =/
17:46:06 kakobrekla: cads its only missing Z axis really
17:46:11 kakobrekla: the rest is done
17:46:33 kakobrekla: i could put anything on it really
17:46:37 kakobrekla: a spindle or laser or a cigar
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17:47:09 cads: kakobrekla: the "vitamins" needed to put together a 3d printer - steppers, controllers, RAMP board, and linear actuators - are only around $300. As soon as your mill is up and running with a mill head, you could fabricate the parts for a 3d printer kit fairly easily.
17:47:31 kakobrekla: i already have steppers and cotrollers and all that shit
17:47:44 kakobrekla: 12nm each btw
17:47:50 kakobrekla: overkill :)
17:48:15 kakobrekla: and there are two for x axis
17:48:19 cads: The 3dp community advises against 3d printer/mill hybrids. A mill needs torque and stiffness, while a 3d printer needs lightness and feed speeds - they use speeds that are rather shocking to people used to traditional mills
17:48:32 kakobrekla: myea
17:49:01 cads: so a mill/printer hybrid will perform poorly at least one task :D
17:49:38 kakobrekla: well i can switch the gap on the rod that steppers move
17:49:48 kakobrekla: and that changes speed/power ratio as well
17:51:28 kakobrekla: what do even rather than any of that, sell it as is
17:51:40 kakobrekla: :)
17:52:27 cads: haha, how much?
17:53:07 kakobrekla: dunno gimme an offer
17:53:12 cads: I may _need_ a gantry, but I couldn't pay more than $800 for it, and this would likely be an insult.
17:53:22 kakobrekla: lol kinda
17:53:24 kakobrekla: :)
17:53:25 cads: considering your sunk cost
17:53:36 kakobrekla: id take maybe 3k for it
17:54:34 mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> then i got occupied with other stuff and its like that for like 2 years maybe more now << i blame marketing.
17:54:47 kakobrekla: i was raped
17:55:07 cads: it's amazingly rigid looking construction - at least you have a quality product :)
17:55:22 kakobrekla: ya some pros were invlived
17:55:41 kakobrekla: such a machine finished is worth 15-20k
17:55:43 cads: I'm looking at a lower quality offering in the range of $1500, in kit form
17:56:01 mircea_popescu: so pay him in bitcoinz
17:56:04 mircea_popescu: or bitbet shares
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17:57:31 mircea_popescu: so i'm re-reading an old (romanian) article
17:57:38 mircea_popescu: and in the comments i make the following suggestion :
17:57:42 cads: kakobrekla: it needs z-fixtures and milling head?
17:57:57 mircea_popescu: some shetroll could implant christian-only eggs only to abort them 10 weeks in.
17:58:35 kakobrekla: if it werent for btc maybe id finish it
17:58:58 kakobrekla: cads yea preety much
17:59:02 cads: kakobrekla: I hope you do! What kind of ideas did you have planned for it.
17:59:08 kakobrekla: anyway i gotta jet now
17:59:11 kakobrekla: be back in 30 or so
17:59:55 cads: inhies: it seems like a lot of rep-rap grade printers end up gathering dust
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18:01:08 mircea_popescu: cads i blame marketing.
18:01:20 cads: hrm it pisses me off that the reprap community seems to be allowing large corporations to patentblock all the valuable 3DP IP
18:02:05 cads: they worked their ASSES off to make personal desktop manufacturing remotely feasible, and those high capital jackals are waiting for the market to mature so they can pounce.
18:03:27 cads: the worst part is that if you talk to the open 3dp community about setting up defensive publications, they're all like "heck naw. ain't gonna be no centralized IP control on open 3dp tech"
18:04:14 cads: or, "you have any idea how much it costs to file patents?"
18:05:09 asciilifeform: cads: the way I understand it, the main virtue of 3d printing is that you can build the thing in your basement out of junkyard parts and not give a rat's arse about patents or copyrights.
18:05:47 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if i understand agriculture correctly, the main virtue thereof is you can plant crops in your own back yard
18:05:54 mircea_popescu: and not give a rat's ass about patents or copyrights
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18:06:53 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if someone found a way to "fix" the atrociously-inefficient RuBisCO enzyme, you could feed a family on what you can grow in a flower vase.
18:06:57 cads: agricultural genetic patents are such horse shit
18:07:47 asciilifeform: if 3d printers actually were what their enthusiasts imagine them to be (a substitute for industrial production) rather than machines for churning out brittle crap, the same dynamic would apply here.
18:07:56 cads: say my crop gets contaminated by monstanto genetics from a farm up-wind
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18:08:06 mircea_popescu: it may surprise you to find that inefficiency is a blessing not a failure.
18:08:15 cads: I'm not liable to damages claimed by the monsanto company
18:08:30 cads: s/not/now
18:08:31 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: no surprise here. population explosion, catastrophe, etc
18:08:50 asciilifeform: re: 3d printing and whether is is actually useful: http://scottlocklin.wordpress.com/2012/08/11/bad-engineering-journalism-reporting-on-3-d-printing-of-guns/
18:08:58 mircea_popescu: anyone want to see flowering salvia ?
18:09:39 asciilifeform: a CNC mill is infinitely more useful in practice. but it doesn't have the same sexy appeal to noobs who think they can produce arbitrary widgets just by hitting a button (actually false for both solid printing and cnc)
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18:10:25 mircea_popescu: "The AR is one of the few rifle designs where you could even think about using a lower receiver made out of plastic."
18:10:27 mircea_popescu: this is such bs.
18:10:49 mircea_popescu: you know i appreciate the sentiment of calling out business insider et al for their ignorance, which is patent and outrageous
18:10:56 mircea_popescu: but locklin doesn't strike me as much better honestly.
18:11:08 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it may help to know that the focus on the AR is solely because of a weird quirk of U.S. law
18:11:23 mircea_popescu: no, i just mean the bad science of it
18:11:23 asciilifeform: in the U.S., the part which legally counts as "the gun" is the piece with the serial number on it.
18:11:32 mircea_popescu: he upper receiver of the AR-15 is legally the gun, and a plastic version would melt if it didn?t dissolve from mechanical stress the first time you fired it.
18:11:48 mircea_popescu: either he has no idea what plastic is or he's just following some script.
18:12:12 asciilifeform: so you can buy the entire metal portion of a Glock, for example (barrel and striker mechanism) with no paperwork, as if it were a video card. because the SN is stamped on an aluminum plate embedded in the lower, plastic portion.
18:12:16 mircea_popescu: you can in fact produce polymers of any arbitrary hardness, however you define it.
18:13:12 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: find me a polymer which can be used to produce a barrel reliably firing modern calibers. I know people who will pay very serious moneys for such.
18:13:27 asciilifeform: hardness is not the only issue. (temperature is another.)
18:13:35 inhies: hrm
18:13:46 inhies: my AR lowers are legally the gun, since thats where the serial number is :p
18:13:51 inhies: guess it all depends on where you get parts
18:14:03 asciilifeform: inhies: exactly. hence the 3d printer folks interest in the AR.
18:14:41 mircea_popescu: think of glock's nylon derivatives
18:15:00 mircea_popescu: also, plenty of non-plasticizing composites may well work in the 3d printer model.
18:15:04 asciilifeform: for those who have never seen an AR, the "lower" is simply a small can which holds the trigger/hammer mechanism, with the stock screwing into one end and the bold carrier/barrel assembly (known as the "upper") into the other end.
18:15:36 asciilifeform: people have carved AR lowers out of kitchen cutting boards, for instance. and even wood.
18:16:21 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you can produce a polymer which reliably stays in one piece in the form of a rifled barrel, you can become a far, far richer man than you already are.
18:16:45 mircea_popescu: dude i'm certain it can be done.
18:17:01 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: done, yes. consider aerogel. economically, no.
18:17:04 mircea_popescu: dissolve my foot.
18:17:09 mircea_popescu: economically was never the point.
18:17:13 mircea_popescu: hence my comment on bad science
18:17:51 asciilifeform: 3d printers are being touted by idiots as "we can now produce modern arms in our basement without knowing any machining." which is patently false, and is likely to remain so.
18:18:06 mircea_popescu: actually! here's a blueprint : i bet you can get a formulation of some sort of carbide, maybe even tungsten base, to dissolve in a solvent that evaporates at room temeprature
18:18:12 asciilifeform: metalworking isn't hard, but it does require some skill.
18:18:34 mircea_popescu: so you will be able to ACTUALLY print a harder-than-steel barel witha good 3d printer
18:18:35 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yes, sintering. even in the USSR, they had it.
18:18:40 mircea_popescu: right ?
18:18:44 mircea_popescu: so then wtf is locklin on about
18:18:48 asciilifeform: only problem is, sintered materials are brittle
18:18:49 mircea_popescu: you don't fight bad science with bad science
18:19:06 asciilifeform: a barrel flexes (watch an AK on full auto on youtube, high speed camera. 4-5 cm of flex, like a Slinky.)
18:19:22 mircea_popescu: dude, let's make a pistorl
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18:19:38 mircea_popescu: before you make a TOW 6 barrel double rotating machine gun
18:20:13 asciilifeform: if all you want is 17th century tech, you can easily make single-shot pistol or shotgun from hardware store pipes. and it will be far more reliable (and deadly to the enemy, vs. the user) than anything you can get out of a $3k 3d printer.
18:20:23 mircea_popescu: and brittleness doesn't sound undefeasible either. maybe you add some guar gum or some shit
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18:21:08 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: look up the temperature of the inside of a barrel (of the smallest pistol) after one shot.
18:21:25 mircea_popescu: carbides melt now ?
18:21:31 asciilifeform: did you really suggest guar gum or the like?
18:21:37 mircea_popescu: i was making a point!
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18:21:52 mircea_popescu: as in, it's extremely unlikely you won't find a debrittleing additive
18:22:34 asciilifeform: my point wasn't that it is physically impossible to make small arms out of garbage (it is possible) but that a 3d printer gains you nothing compared to using parts straight from the junkyard.
18:22:51 truff1es: cads id like to read your blog, do link
18:23:48 mircea_popescu: it does gain you something.
18:23:52 mircea_popescu: at the very least the cool of it.
18:24:08 mircea_popescu: further, if my carbide solution actually works any, you could be making the guns as fast as you fire them for instance
18:24:22 mircea_popescu: imagine a remote opperated batter of gun printers and robofirers
18:24:31 asciilifeform: btw, I personally have a design for a 3d printer which prints solid steel. think "TIG welder" plus XYZ frame. but this would be ruinously expensive to run, and would burn down the house of the first idiot who builds on in his garage. so, unpublished.
18:25:07 truff1es: cads u seem like an intellectual who has succumbed to wordly distractions, its a shame youve given up on uni but gl nonetheless
18:25:33 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you want to go the whole hog, dispense with cartridges. fire nails or ball bearings, with injected gasoline for the propellant.
18:25:38 mircea_popescu: " If he just wanted to make a working gun out of a barrel and bolt, he could have done so with duct tape, modeling clay and superglue."
18:25:42 mircea_popescu: again, this point is correct.
18:25:52 mircea_popescu: but the foregoing statements are both incorrect and misleading.
18:26:10 asciilifeform: contrary to popular delusion, the fist of the State will come down in the future not on guns, but on ammunition.
18:26:51 truff1es: why
18:27:14 asciilifeform: producing crude but working small arms is trivial. modern ammunition, not so much.
18:27:31 mircea_popescu: " Solid printers can make crude unassembled plastic parts; nothing else. No electronics can be made in this way."
18:27:35 mircea_popescu: again, this is fuckwittery.
18:27:39 mircea_popescu: all electronics are made in this way
18:27:43 asciilifeform: I can see the political virtues of reviving the skills of building 18th century muskets, but 3d printers aren't usefully in the mix.
18:27:44 mircea_popescu: chips are lierally printed
18:27:50 mircea_popescu: and then the pcbs are mounted by machine
18:28:10 mircea_popescu: this guy is incredibly ignorant and wilfully so.
18:28:40 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: do you own a chip fab? does it fit in your house? why, or why not? using the term "printing" for photomask fabrication is disingenuous.
18:28:48 mircea_popescu: why ?
18:28:54 mircea_popescu: the early printers didn't fit in my jhouse
18:28:57 mircea_popescu: nor the early computers
18:28:58 asciilifeform: astronomical tooling cost
18:29:05 mircea_popescu: note that i dispute the "can not" claim
18:29:10 mircea_popescu: i do not make the "can" claim.
18:29:30 mircea_popescu: again, if we protest scientific ignorance of journos
18:29:37 mircea_popescu: let's not demonstrate it one knot up the river.
18:30:11 asciilifeform: btw, I am personally researching a means for fabricating 1980s-level VLSI in "bush conditions." No prizes for guessing why. But I cannot promise that anything will come of it.
18:31:50 mircea_popescu: bush condition means no metal ?
18:32:20 asciilifeform: meaning a plebe's budget.
18:32:35 mircea_popescu: a
18:33:14 mircea_popescu: hm
18:33:20 mircea_popescu: i'd bet against it.
18:33:33 asciilifeform: smart money bets against, yes.
18:34:03 mircea_popescu: no but i mean... you will need a laser.
18:34:13 asciilifeform: although I do have access to university surplus lab junk.
18:34:25 mircea_popescu: and very high precision controls for moving it
18:34:40 asciilifeform: SAW resonator
18:34:46 asciilifeform: Kerr cell for toggling
18:34:55 mircea_popescu: um
18:35:08 benkay: whoa
18:35:12 mircea_popescu: can you acrtually fabricate silicon with resonance without having very specially made foundry silicon ?
18:35:19 mircea_popescu: as in, won't it just crack ?
18:35:39 asciilifeform: no, you get the SAWs from the uni junkyard
18:35:56 mircea_popescu: ok, but do what with them lol
18:35:59 asciilifeform: alternatively, DLP arrays from consumer video projectors
18:36:18 asciilifeform: (granted the latter gives you LSI at best, 1970s level)
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18:36:49 mircea_popescu: i tell ye i don't see it.
18:36:51 asciilifeform: I'm more interested in the ion beam deposition approach, rather than optical masks, though
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18:37:34 asciilifeform: I assume you were asking about optical (traditional) photo etching
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18:38:54 asciilifeform: ion beam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_beam_deposition) is ever so slightly more doable, I suspect.
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18:39:19 mircea_popescu: mebbe. ianae
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18:40:10 benkay: asciilifeform a friend of mine built an ion beam microscope
18:40:39 benkay: got a point source for waving around with em fields by using a pinhole
18:40:56 benkay: he told me that and i were all OMGOFCOURSE
18:40:59 asciilifeform: mostly useless for semiconductor work, though
18:41:19 benkay: this were no tunneler
18:41:25 benkay: and this is just an interesting anecdote
18:44:15 benkay: $avg
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18:44:21 jurov: maybe organic semiconductors would be more suitable than silicon?
18:44:54 asciilifeform: jurov: I'm looking into copper oxide
18:46:01 asciilifeform: "in 1995 R. G. Arns found a 1948 legal deposition by Johnson which said the opposite: that Bell Labs back then had a project to test Lilienfeld's transistors, and before Johnson took over the project,"
18:47:04 asciilifeform: "...a paper, JVST A Volume 20, Issue 4, pp. 1365-1368 describing transistors made with anodized aluminum gate insulator and a chemical bath deposited semiconductor (CdS/CdSe). Both are techniques that do not require complicated equipment (beaker, current source, heater) and should have been accessible in the 1920s."
18:48:20 asciilifeform: TLDR: an obscure German fellow almost certainly had working transistors in the '20s.
18:48:42 truff1es: did he get credit
18:48:50 asciilifeform: truffles: not really.
18:48:58 truff1es: unlucky
18:49:05 asciilifeform: although Bell Labs was denied the patent on the basis of his prior art.
18:50:20 truff1es: easiest way to steal ideas, work at patent office it seems
18:50:43 asciilifeform: granted, there is quite a leap from Lilienfeld's cupric oxide transistor to kitchen table VLSI. but it seems like a promising idea to investigate.
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18:54:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.24 = 1.2 BTC [-]
18:59:06 mircea_popescu: why ?
19:00:07 mircea_popescu: if anyone missed it, the latest debate with datskovskiy is raging even now http://polimedia.us/fraudsters/2013/some-basic-discussion-of-bitcoin-macroeconomy/#comment-93049
19:00:14 benkay: presumably for basement mining hardware?
19:02:15 jurov: i tried to point out that shitcoins are akin to banknotes that you can remotely tamper with their value
19:02:24 cads: asciilifeform: what's your 3d printing background?
19:02:37 jurov: and thus obviously nobody is interested in accepting them
19:02:49 jurov: but it went nowhere
19:03:54 cads: what I heard was a lot about printing guns, without any mention of things like the thingiverse, the form 1, makerbot industry's successes, the fact that the staples is rolling out a 3d printer that will be sold from their stores (the cubify offering).
19:04:15 cads: 3d printed guns is about 1 year old
19:04:34 cads: and the whole topic is only for lunatics
19:05:04 cads: this is like judging bitcoin solely on the characteristics of its use in the silk road.
19:06:27 cads: appplications for 3d printing are amazingly wide ranging. The cubify is a mass produced unit in the $1200 range, intended for crafts and hobbies, school classrooms, children, and so on.
19:07:16 cads: it's also misleading to say that 3d printers require the same CAD/CAM work that mills require
19:07:48 benkay: mircea_popescu GPG identity management services will eclipse the engineering payroll? o.O please correct my interpretation of what you said on the other side of that link
19:08:59 mircea_popescu: nope, that's it.
19:09:08 mircea_popescu: identity management will be larger than engineering.
19:09:34 cads: asciilifeform: this is not true - for a well tuned commercial printer, the process of turning a 3d design into gcode is almost trivial. Coding g-code for a cnc mill is amazingly hard for high complexity parts, and often requires the production of specialized tooling and setup costs for each new part you produce
19:10:26 kakobrekla: you dont code g-code
19:10:39 kakobrekla: nobody does that
19:10:42 cads: no, you synthesize it
19:10:45 kakobrekla: yea
19:11:05 benkay: or
19:11:08 benkay: print the big form
19:11:17 benkay: carve off the bits you need for dimensional correctness with a mill
19:11:27 benkay: let the printer do the complex geometry
19:13:26 cads: Yep. the print time of a part scales with the part's volume. The milling time of a contoured part scales with the amount of material removed, but more importantly, with the feature count of the surface produced.
19:13:55 assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.01255 = 0.0377 BTC [+]
19:14:59 mircea_popescu: i think we all seen that ?
19:15:05 benkay: print time vastly exceeds cut time
19:15:10 benkay: cut time is lols for plastic
19:16:42 ThickAsThieves: why 54 u?
19:17:07 mircea_popescu: 5430 satoshi
19:17:17 mircea_popescu: not sure how he picked it but looks bellybutton sourced
19:17:17 ThickAsThieves: meh i guess i dont really care about the answer
19:17:40 benkay: just barely less than a cent today
19:17:40 ThickAsThieves: it seems like something theyll end up removing in the future, so why add it
19:17:50 benkay: 100 bucks at some far future point
19:17:53 ThickAsThieves: maybe to prevent some kind of spam attack?
19:18:51 jurov: they copied litecoin
19:19:38 kakobrekla: i dont like it
19:19:42 jurov: you can research what was the motivation in ltc case, maybe it was really spam
19:20:20 jurov: or marketing or rape
19:21:12 ThickAsThieves: or porn in the code!
19:22:12 mircea_popescu: im not sure why they're not just letting the tx fee decide
19:22:15 mircea_popescu: but whatever.
19:22:38 mircea_popescu: ah, actually, there is a reason
19:22:45 mircea_popescu: we are choked by nonadoption/node death
19:23:02 mircea_popescu: consequently there's no way to outcompete dust txs, cause you don't pay a fee to be relayed
19:23:40 mircea_popescu: tbh the no-relay-fee is probably the grossest fundamental oversight in the design of bitcoin
19:24:00 mircea_popescu: and it allows no easy fox
19:24:04 mircea_popescu: fix*
19:24:29 ThickAsThieves: guess we'll have to just wait for diablocoins
19:25:49 benkay: nonadoption of new version numbers?
19:26:31 jordandotdev: does anyone know if bitfinex has an irc channel?
19:27:20 ThickAsThieves: i had a thought about altcoin manipulaiton today, it seems that every new altcoin that pops up, magically has buyers on BTC-E. I wonder if it'd be feasible to support new coins so as to keep the difficulty low on the one coin you really want to control and prop up later, like litecoin. You get everyone to move their hashes elsewhere, and then keep reaping LTC, then you pull the plug
19:27:20 ThickAsThieves: one day on all the alts.
19:28:11 cads: benkay: lets talk more about 3dp later - I think there is a great future in personal desktop-based manufacturing, and it seems like 3dp is positioned to bring it to the consumer. There are lots of points of contention I'd love to chat about, but I gotta jet.
19:29:03 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves pretty much the pump and dump they're running
19:29:37 ThickAsThieves: they can even make money pumping the alts too, it just seems like it's a house of cards
19:29:49 kakobrekla: seems this alt chain thingy comes in cycles
19:29:49 mircea_popescu: yup
19:30:01 mircea_popescu: btc-e is pretty much the reason nobody takes alts seriously
19:30:18 kakobrekla: together with bubbles
19:30:37 kakobrekla: or when was the last alt chain hype
19:30:45 kakobrekla: ixcoin and i0coin and whatnot
19:30:53 ThickAsThieves: so the question is, which, if any, altcoin is the "real" altcoin
19:31:10 kakobrekla: bitcoin is preety alt
19:31:55 mircea_popescu: ltc may have a chance. maybe.
19:32:24 mircea_popescu: tho the "mmo" idiots beat up in btc moved there, and it's prolly going to be the internet marketeer reservation
19:36:55 ThickAsThieves: cryto-trade.com was supposed to be a BTC-e competitor, but now it seems it was about as scammy as we thought
19:37:08 ThickAsThieves: crypto-trade.com *
19:38:11 asciilifeform: damn, went off to meatspace for a spell and missed all the fun here.
19:40:49 benkay: there's a log now
19:40:55 benkay: public and everything
19:41:53 asciilifeform: I got a month of running log, sure
19:46:02 asciilifeform: re: 3d printers: I work with a guy who is a serious solid printing enthusiast (five figure investment in various attempts, and most of his spare time.) he prints objects like phone charging cradles and parts for model aircraft.
19:46:53 asciilifeform: my argument isn't that solid printing is a waste of time (it is an interesting hobby) but that it is unlikely to displace industrial production for any everyday object
19:47:05 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ever ?
19:47:23 asciilifeform: I wouldn't say "ever", but it is about the same as home CNC machining
19:47:36 mircea_popescu: i tell you, originally they thought the same of industrial robots.
19:47:41 mircea_popescu: clunky, hopeless things.
19:47:41 asciilifeform: i.e. you need actual brains to make a useful object, to spec
19:47:52 mircea_popescu: ie, yuou need brains to climb stairs.
19:48:48 asciilifeform: even speaking solely of plastic objects where materials strength is unimportant, the main issue appears to be warping/distortion
19:49:33 asciilifeform: example: my colleague prints an iphone cradle, brings in five attempts. the phone fits in the fifth, but only because he threw in the towel and took a hand file to it
19:49:57 asciilifeform: the next day he brings in two pieces
19:50:01 asciilifeform: (it snapped)
19:50:27 asciilifeform: this doesn't prove anything in particular, granted
19:50:46 asciilifeform: other than the fact that real-world materials behave in all kinds of interesting ways
19:50:56 asciilifeform: and not at all like the ideal solid you see on the CAD screen
19:52:21 asciilifeform: btw, industrial robots are an instructive example, because in some fields they are available, but it is very difficult to get people to trust them for all but the simplest operations
19:52:47 mircea_popescu: except they do everything pretty much.
19:52:55 mircea_popescu: a fucking CAT scan is you fucking a robot.
19:53:08 kakobrekla: lol
19:53:17 asciilifeform: the hardware is superb, the vendor software: abysmal.
19:53:28 asciilifeform: at least in the pharma sector.
19:54:29 asciilifeform: almost everyone seems to prefer grad students pushing pipettes, though
19:54:39 asciilifeform: given that the robot goes for $250K
19:54:43 mircea_popescu: lol basically making macros for computer illiterate folk ?
19:54:51 asciilifeform: just that
19:54:59 asciilifeform: except that in this particular case it works better
19:55:11 asciilifeform: (e.g. you don't have to measure the physical objects and fit them to a coordinate grid)
19:55:23 asciilifeform: most of the operations in high-throughput pharma screening are repetitive
19:55:35 benkay: grad schools suffer from an excess of cheap labor
19:55:42 mircea_popescu: ^
19:55:51 mircea_popescu: t\hey don't really WANT to replace the students
19:56:09 mircea_popescu: because they get most of their income from pretending those students doing boring shit are "gaining"
19:56:15 mircea_popescu: killed 1 rat gained 5xp
19:56:15 benkay: they don't understand the costs of institutionally embedded knowledge either
19:56:20 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: trust me, I know
19:56:29 asciilifeform: but in a few dark corners of the world, results actually matter
19:56:49 asciilifeform: (outside the academia pesthole, but even then, by far not always)
19:59:07 mircea_popescu: The Entropia Universe client is designed to operate on Microsoft compatible PC:s running Microsoft Windows as an operating system. It is not designed to run natively under Mac OS X or Linux.
19:59:07 mircea_popescu: However, your Mac running OS X or PC running Linux that meet the hardware system requirements for Entropia Universe may also be able to run Microsoft Windows, the operating system needed to run the Entropia Universe client software.
19:59:12 mircea_popescu: fucking retards ?!
19:59:32 benkay: yeah what is this entropica
19:59:38 asciilifeform: wat
19:59:43 benkay: gives me installer
19:59:45 benkay: wants to play
20:00:35 mircea_popescu: "your broken linux computer could be fixed by installing windoze"
20:00:38 mircea_popescu: wtf is this shit
20:01:02 truff1es: <benkay> there's a log now>>> where?
20:01:23 asciilifeform: most commercial software may as well have this nonsense printed on the box. it is certainly there, between the lines.
20:01:37 truff1es: k thanks
20:01:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 839 @ 0.0006992 = 0.5866 BTC [+]
20:02:39 truff1es: my comments are on 1st page hmmm
20:02:49 truff1es: of today
20:03:12 benkay: also on the entropica topic
20:03:49 benkay: I have a feeling that parameterizing the space and understanding how the engine works is vastly more useful than any existing software package
20:04:48 benkay: also i have yet to see it run in real time
20:04:56 benkay: and it looks a little computationally intensive
20:06:04 benkay: "just run monte carlos over the whole space and optimize for availability of future paths"
20:06:09 benkay: "during each iteration of control loop"
20:06:17 benkay: well, each iteration may be overkill
20:06:19 benkay: !
20:06:27 mircea_popescu: i need someone to code me a mmorpg
20:06:38 benkay: and if you stay in the pre-calculated space you might be able to avoid re-running the sims
20:07:59 Namworld: [16:06] <mircea_popescu> i need someone to code me a mmorpg
20:08:24 Namworld: "Retards: a Bitcoin Story"?
20:08:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14950 @ 0.00070573 = 10.5507 BTC [+]
20:09:28 Namworld: With colorful bitcointalk.org people as NPCs and a whole lot of cheap jokes and parody?
20:09:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2087 @ 0.00070573 = 1.4729 BTC [+]
20:09:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1972 @ 0.00070787 = 1.3959 BTC [+]
20:09:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3086 @ 0.00070983 = 2.1905 BTC [+]
20:09:52 benkay: hoho
20:10:04 benkay: "you enter bitcoin-assets and are instantly covered in buckets of semen"
20:10:16 jurov: mirceeeeeaaaaa y u no ntp synchronize?
20:11:04 jurov: i'm pulling my hair out over an issue that boils down to trade execution dates few second before the orders were placed
20:11:11 jurov: on mpex
20:12:52 jurov: mircea_popescu, ur timewarp enginez are misaligned ^^^
20:13:59 benkay: he's probably yelling at the monkeys
20:14:12 mircea_popescu: Namworld lol maybe
20:14:40 mircea_popescu: jurov because the server does not have an internet connection.
20:14:46 mircea_popescu: time synch is a mutherfuckin pain
20:15:17 mircea_popescu: basically you're stuck synching to mpex rather than expecting real time having any impact
20:16:05 benkay: do you have something available for ntp to peer to?
20:16:27 mircea_popescu: nope.
20:16:35 jurov: but it even diverges from time given in stat header
20:16:49 mircea_popescu: now that's rare wtf.
20:17:06 assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.108899 BTC [+]
20:17:07 mircea_popescu: jurov is it the case right now or was it in the past ?
20:17:27 jurov: it manifests since yesterday
20:18:03 mircea_popescu: dude usure ?
20:20:48 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.24 = 2.48 BTC [-]
20:21:02 mircea_popescu: it;s like 10 seconds behind oddly.
20:22:26 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you can synch time on a non-networked server using a GPS/GLONASS/Beidou-1 receiver
20:22:41 mircea_popescu: yeah but that doesn't fit ;/
20:22:45 asciilifeform: make sure to tune in all three constellations, as someone may want to fuck with you via signal spoofing
20:22:55 asciilifeform: doesn't fit?
20:23:00 asciilifeform: what are you using, a Palm Pilot?
20:23:04 mircea_popescu: lol
20:23:20 mircea_popescu: hahaha
20:23:31 jurov: stat relative to other data inside seems to be okay. whole thing including http headers has offset
20:23:35 asciilifeform: is is secreted in a slave girl's arse?
20:24:00 asciilifeform: you can get the receiver on a usb stick, and it will fit even there
20:24:12 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the only stuff like that i've seen is roughly larger than a server blade
20:24:16 mircea_popescu: and has to be so and so emplaced etc
20:24:41 mircea_popescu: jurov that'd be normal as the outer layer of servers ashould be more or less on normal time
20:24:58 asciilifeform: the industrial products, sure. but with a consumer stick the functionality is the same, minus the steel case.
20:25:09 asciilifeform: the girl will have to bend her arse towards the sky when you want to sync
20:25:19 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well provider i use didn;'t have your stick and i didn't press the issue
20:25:31 asciilifeform: and of course you maintain a local server, that the radio signal can only over-ride by a second or so delta either way
20:25:51 jurov: 2013-05-05 21:09:15,655 [mpex]:DEBUG:Response headers: [('Date', ['Sun, 05 May 2013 19:09:06 GMT']), << this is HTTP Date header from outer layer I guess
20:26:00 jurov: and it's 10 sec off, too
20:26:04 mircea_popescu: yeah
20:26:37 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.23 BTC [-]
20:26:38 mircea_popescu: was this progressive and only now noticed or did it just happen ?!
20:26:38 asciilifeform: or buy a cesium timepiece yourself (4 figures USD on ebay) or a rhubidium one if you're a cheapskate.
20:26:40 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.226 BTC [-]
20:26:53 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i can't get radioactive material into that space ;/
20:26:59 asciilifeform: neither is radioactive
20:27:20 mircea_popescu: its decay innit ?
20:27:21 asciilifeform: only stable isotopes are used in a clock
20:27:27 asciilifeform: nothing to do with decay
20:27:41 assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 44 @ 0.01255 = 0.5522 BTC [+]
20:27:54 asciilifeform: microwave resonance of the element in question
20:28:05 mircea_popescu: a ok
20:28:06 asciilifeform: a clock based on nuclear decay would suck
20:28:09 mircea_popescu: aaanyways.
20:28:38 mircea_popescu: jurov so basically, the situation here is that the stat time and the tx time inside the stat is consistent
20:28:38 asciilifeform: seriously, even the dinkiest fm radio station has a rhubidium clock (to help stay in its purchased frequency band.)
20:28:43 asciilifeform: mpex can afford it
20:28:49 mircea_popescu: but this not necessarily consistent with other time signals such as http headers
20:28:51 mircea_popescu: is this correct ?
20:29:53 jurov: now it looks like both stat time, tx time and http headers are ~10 sec off
20:30:57 mircea_popescu: mpex is creating its own timezone.
20:31:39 asciilifeform: btw, the extent to which btc users can be fucked with through ntp spoofing is non-zero and quite interesting to contemplate.
20:32:10 asciilifeform: somebody ought to make a quick buck marketing usb rhubidium clocks to "supernode" fellows
20:32:43 kakobrekla: theres market for at least one
20:32:56 jurov: on May 2 and before there was only 1 sec difference
20:33:13 jurov: searchign for the point where it went bad...
20:33:30 kakobrekla: just dont fuck up the matrix
20:35:38 jurov: how could i fuck it? i just can claim "this is the point when matrix took over"
20:35:40 kakobrekla: o
20:36:00 asciilifeform: also, I should note that, AFAIK, neither GPS, nor GLONASS, nor Beidou use crypto authentication for the time signal (or the coordinates!) so you could still be spoofed, if someone were interested.
20:36:08 asciilifeform: hence buying your own clock.
20:37:05 mircea_popescu: anyway should be all synced
20:37:25 kakobrekla: genjix: Tihan is a manipulative sociopath.
20:37:28 kakobrekla: lolz
20:37:36 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah and yeah.
20:37:56 mircea_popescu: these are the sorts of things nobody knows about. mpex too paranoid to allow ntp, mtgox buys more ram.
20:39:54 kakobrekla: >>Oh, and next time you trash and break a Segway in Vienna that Alex paid for because some fat girl offers you a hug...DONT RUN AWAY AND LEAVE THE SEGWAY IN THE STREET!!!!!! (true story for whoever wants to know. Roger, Erik and myself were there)
20:39:58 kakobrekla: lol wtf
20:41:19 mircea_popescu: wtf ?!
20:41:36 kakobrekla: follow last retardcointalk url
20:42:12 mircea_popescu: The site had been losing money for months
20:42:13 mircea_popescu: ha!
20:42:19 mircea_popescu: who was contradicting me last week ?
20:42:21 jurov: asciilifeform: iirc iranians spoofed btc already and captured a drone
20:42:34 asciilifeform: jurov: yes, exactly
20:42:36 kakobrekla: mircea_popescu tbh could be just some bull.
20:42:48 jurov: *spoofed gps , not btc :)
20:43:00 asciilifeform: jurov: the funniest part is that the drone could have been using the military (authenticated) channel, but wasn't - because of "lowest bidder" hardware on board.
20:43:21 assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.01 BTC [-]
20:43:35 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the dirty secret there is that the military chan is tyoo slow.
20:43:50 asciilifeform: jurov: all the Iranians had to do was broadcast the coordinates of the U.S. airbase the drone was to return to.
20:48:16 mircea_popescu: all bitcoin has is one fat girl and a broken segway.
20:58:00 assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 3 @ 0.003199 = 0.0096 BTC [+]
20:58:52 assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 97 @ 0.0032 = 0.3104 BTC [+]
21:17:21 kakobrekla: lawl mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=196189.msg2040113#msg2040113
21:17:36 assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.19 BTC [-]
21:17:57 mircea_popescu: lol
21:19:43 benkay: git status
21:19:50 benkay: oh derp
21:20:51 mircea_popescu: benkay were you asking me about the previous one ?
21:25:31 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=186185.msg2037118#msg2037118 it reminds him of the movie
21:25:33 mircea_popescu: dun dun dun
21:26:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 2 @ 1.465 = 2.93 BTC [+]
21:27:11 benkay: don't know what you're talking about, mircea_popescu
21:28:04 mircea_popescu: mpoe-pr was telling the previous new-exchange-idiot to pack it
21:28:13 mircea_popescu: and you were asking me whay or something
21:28:48 truff1es: lol new level of arrogance
21:28:49 benkay: no, i accidentally terminaled into x-chat
21:28:57 benkay: >>bashed in x-chat
21:29:24 benkay: are you referencing a conversation from a few days back?
21:30:44 truff1es: benkay the assumption here is that you repsonded to his praise of his pr person
21:31:47 dub: how long should I air dry computers that have been washed
21:32:13 inhies: wat
21:32:23 benkay: did you use detergent?
21:32:37 dub: no, just rain water
21:32:44 benkay: ah i would wash them again then
21:32:45 mircea_popescu: dub a week
21:33:22 dub: transporting command center to new dubhouse, had kayak on roof and water tracked along roof racks
21:33:42 dub: helpfully washing a laptop and mining rig
21:35:45 mircea_popescu: lol
21:36:13 mircea_popescu: you aid computer not laptop.
21:36:23 mircea_popescu: a laptop is basically neversafe to use again, unless you take it apart.
21:38:36 dub: well the saving grace is its battery is completely dead, only works with power attached so hopefully no residual power to short anything
21:40:29 mircea_popescu: I am just speculating but it seems to me that Mircea isn't really a racist even though he could have conveyed his point more gently by considering the history of racism and ethnic discrimination in the U.S. and the fact that Bitcoin is popular within the same demographic of people that will actually read him, despite his Armenian descent he could have been more considerate of other nations
21:40:30 mircea_popescu: o.o
21:42:24 kakobrekla: now that ppl accually read you, you must watch your mouth
21:42:36 mircea_popescu: but why am i armenian
21:42:40 mircea_popescu: he thinks im maddox ?!
21:43:01 kakobrekla: make "im better than your wife" page
21:44:41 mircea_popescu: lol
21:44:45 mircea_popescu: tyhat may be dangerousd
21:50:56 dub: !ticker b asicminer-pt
21:50:56 assbot: The vision of Christ that thou dost see ... is my vision's greatest enemy.
21:51:47 dub: !ticker btctc asicminer-pt
21:51:48 assbot: [BTCT:ASICMINER-PT] 1D: 1.12 / 1.20323 / 1.268999 (303 shares, 364.6 BTC), 7D: 1.12 / 1.25659 / 1.32475 (1650 shares, 2073.4 BTC), 30D: 0.6269 / 1.05905 / 1.75 (6980 shares, 7392.2 BTC)
21:52:06 dub: btctctfctctc worst brand ever
21:52:43 kakobrekla: you can use bt for short
22:05:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 1.465 BTC [+]
22:25:49 assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.01255 = 0.1255 BTC [+]
22:26:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 8 @ 0.3194 = 2.5552 BTC [+]
22:28:33 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.21001 = 3.63 BTC [-]
22:32:06 assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.01255 = 0.0628 BTC [+]
22:37:14 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2 BTC [-]
22:38:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00070862 = 9.9915 BTC [-]
22:53:47 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu:
23:05:52 mjr___: sup everyone
23:07:33 kakobrekla: heya
23:08:46 truff1es: whats on today mjr?
23:13:08 mircea_popescu: not much
23:15:27 kakobrekla: >Small issues friend. We are attempting to make our exchange very reputable. I don't see value this year, but 10 years down the road when crypto-currencies are truly the trend. Our vision is to build a long lasting product for our market - We need a good team to do that.
23:15:28 kakobrekla: omg!
23:15:33 kakobrekla: >I should have been clear on the aspect of the design and basic functionality - I think bitstamp is a clean interface but you are right, they have their flaws. Engine wise, I'd look towards the process MtGox is taking on and the partnerships they have forged with various companies to increase their survival (see: Prolexic partnership).
23:15:37 kakobrekla: he said survival.
23:16:28 mircea_popescu: so dear assets ppl, help me see what classics i've missed.
23:16:34 mircea_popescu: played the entire heroes of might and magic series,
23:16:37 mircea_popescu: played most ultima
23:16:39 mircea_popescu: played gothic
23:16:46 mircea_popescu: played wizardry
23:17:15 mircea_popescu: baldur's gate and all the stuff on that engine
23:20:27 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2 BTC [-]
23:24:07 thestringpuller: ;;calc 43.48 / 1.60
23:24:07 gribble: 27.175
23:24:22 thestringpuller: ;;calc 43.40 / 1.60
23:24:22 gribble: 27.125
23:24:27 thestringpuller: ;;calc 43.20 / 1.60
23:24:27 gribble: 27
23:25:04 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu you haven't played vidya games until you've played mega man 2
23:25:08 thestringpuller: jkjk
23:26:21 mjr___: any JS devs here
23:28:55 zebedee_: The bitcoin blocks are flying right now.
23:34:31 assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 2 @ 0.1081 = 0.2162 BTC [-]
23:36:14 thestringpuller: ;;calc .25*46.48
23:36:14 gribble: 11.62
23:36:21 thestringpuller: ;;calc .75*46.48
23:36:22 gribble: 34.86
23:36:34 thestringpuller: ;;calc 55 - 34.86
23:36:34 gribble: 20.14
23:37:36 benkay: mircea_popescu are you still looking for classics?
23:38:25 mircea_popescu: sure
23:38:45 benkay: DWARF FORTRESS
23:39:01 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.22 = 2.44 BTC [+]
23:39:02 kakobrekla: ;;bc,stats
23:39:05 gribble: Current Blocks: 234719 | Current Difficulty: 1.0076292883418716E7 | Next Difficulty At Block: 235871 | Next Difficulty In: 1152 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 23 hours, 33 minutes, and 49 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 10449088.1411 | Estimated Percent Change: 3.69973
23:39:17 mircea_popescu: um
23:39:46 mircea_popescu: i nev er played that one ?!
23:40:24 mircea_popescu: lol what's this, 2006 rogue ?