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00:01:59 mircea_popescu: for all icare...

00:04:27 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: see pm real quick

00:40:49 kakobrekla: ok, good enough

00:40:50 kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/

00:46:19 mjr___: very nice

00:51:01 BitHub: all hail fontase

00:52:53 mircea_popescu: coolness kakobrekla

01:07:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1200 @ 0.00069036 = 0.8284 BTC [+]

01:11:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10600 @ 0.00069468 = 7.3636 BTC [+]

01:33:01 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.25692 BTC [+]

01:38:24 deadweasel: ;;ticker

01:38:24 gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 112.11100, Best ask: 113.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.88900, Last trade: 112.10001, 24 hour volume: 125480.73650669, 24 hour low: 92.99000, 24 hour high: 116.30000, 24 hour vwap: 107.54937

01:40:34 Jambo_: ;;next

01:40:35 gribble: currently awaiting retracement to test 100-105 | lower targets: 104, 94 | upper targets: 120-123, 130 | updated by OneFixt at May 4 2013, 21:20 UTC ( tips: http://bit.ly/YnxUM4 ) | disclaimer: http://bit.ly/129bYJ6 | this is not investment or trading advice | #bitcoin-analysis | 4 hours, 20 minutes, and 34 seconds ago

02:04:38 Jambo_: look at mtgo

02:04:40 Jambo_: its going crazy

02:04:48 deadweasel: ;;ticker

02:04:48 gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 117.01000, Best ask: 117.06000, Bid-ask spread: 0.05000, Last trade: 117.01000, 24 hour volume: 129990.03216512, 24 hour low: 92.99000, 24 hour high: 117.01000, 24 hour vwap: 107.91913

02:16:29 assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 10 @ 0.101 = 1.01 BTC [+]

02:16:36 assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 41 @ 0.100021 = 4.1009 BTC [-]

02:17:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25 @ 0.00068919 = 0.0172 BTC [-]

02:17:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5398 @ 0.00068877 = 3.718 BTC [-]

02:18:14 assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 3 @ 0.01003 = 0.0301 BTC [+]

02:24:12 assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 66 @ 0.0125 = 0.825 BTC

02:27:16 ThickAsThieves: yay

02:31:21 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.22001 BTC [-]

02:34:48 mod6: ;;bc,stats

02:34:55 gribble: Current Blocks: 234564 | Current Difficulty: 1.0076292883418716E7 | Next Difficulty At Block: 235871 | Next Difficulty In: 1307 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 19 hours, 56 minutes, and 45 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 10108252.5885 | Estimated Percent Change: 0.31718

02:37:30 ThickAsThieves: seems a little odd that the estimated diff is not increasing even tho AM has added like 10TH...

02:38:24 louong: there are a lot of GPU miners selling their rigs or switching to alt coin mining (anecdotal)

02:41:15 Jambo_: ;;ticker

02:41:16 gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 115.97761, Best ask: 115.99000, Bid-ask spread: 0.01239, Last trade: 115.97761, 24 hour volume: 133434.20303370, 24 hour low: 94.56359, 24 hour high: 118.36500, 24 hour vwap: 108.44522

02:51:41 mircea_popescu: o hey, that's you ThickAsThieves

02:52:19 ThickAsThieves: yep, just went live on BTCT

02:53:21 ThickAsThieves: been live on bitfunder for a couple days

02:54:56 mircea_popescu: cool

02:57:32 Chaang-Noi: morning all

02:57:39 Jambo_: hi

02:57:44 Jambo_: where u at?

02:57:46 Chaang-Noi: lol :)

02:58:03 Chaang-Noi: copumpkins sex dungon

02:58:16 Chaang-Noi: at least he game me one free hand to type

02:58:25 mircea_popescu: this sounds solanaceae-y

03:00:30 Chaang-Noi: Solanaceae are a family of flowering plants that includes a number of important agricultural crops. Although many species are toxic plants, some are edible and healthy.

03:00:31 mircea_popescu: which are asterids, whereas curcubitacea are rosids. this is serious clade jumping going on here.

03:00:45 mircea_popescu: copumpkin is behaving out of character!

03:01:04 Chaang-Noi: i asked someone to fuck me yesterday, he got there first...

03:01:22 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.25181 BTC [+]

03:01:38 joecool: copumpkin is copumpkin?

03:01:42 Chaang-Noi: i said some figurativly that he took litererly, and it cost my my anal virginity

03:02:03 joecool: ;;ident copumpkin

03:02:03 gribble: Nick 'copumpkin', with hostmask 'copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin', is not identified.

03:02:07 Chaang-Noi: i wonder if it is a script, where he said that no matter waht i said

03:02:17 Chaang-Noi: it would ahve been in context 12 hours ago

03:03:32 mircea_popescu: seems so. robot pineaple from outer space

03:03:50 Chaang-Noi: it had to do with my shock of us being at 115 when i wanted to buy back in at 75

03:05:38 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.25183 BTC [+]

03:05:58 assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.00164 BTC [+]

03:06:12 assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 9 @ 0.001648 = 0.0148 BTC [+]

03:09:16 assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.016 BTC [-]

03:25:08 Chaang-Noi: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg2029991#msg2029991 new photo of finalnd guy

03:29:05 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.24999 BTC [-]

03:30:48 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.249989 BTC [-]

03:38:35 Jambo_: fkn goes up $15 in like 10 mins

03:38:35 Chaang-Noi: http://theambassador.dk/ is this the finish guy?

03:38:38 Jambo_: wtf

03:38:56 Chaang-Noi: ;;ticker

03:38:57 gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 117.25000, Best ask: 117.55555, Bid-ask spread: 0.30555, Last trade: 117.77778, 24 hour volume: 135046.61877752, 24 hour low: 94.56360, 24 hour high: 118.49000, 24 hour vwap: 108.71444

03:39:13 Chaang-Noi: jambo you on drugs? it did not, and even if it did this is btc

03:39:16 Jambo_: everyone said it was bound to crash

03:39:20 Jambo_: i know

03:39:21 Jambo_: but still

03:39:22 Chaang-Noi: it did crash

03:39:31 Jambo_: they said it was going to crash again

03:39:33 Chaang-Noi: it lost like 80%

03:39:37 Chaang-Noi: lol

03:39:39 Jambo_: lol

03:39:51 Chaang-Noi: china bought your btcs

03:39:56 Jambo_: people said it hasnt hit bottom, yes they did

03:40:04 Jambo_: im angry

03:40:25 assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 87 @ 0.0125 = 1.0875 BTC

03:40:33 Chaang-Noi: meh

03:41:04 Jambo_: im sad

03:41:20 Chaang-Noi: just but 10 btc, you will be a millionair in ten years...

03:41:22 Chaang-Noi: buy

03:41:31 Jambo_: :/

03:44:43 assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 12 @ 0.0125 = 0.15 BTC

03:54:15 assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 52 @ 0.0125 = 0.65 BTC

04:02:34 mjr___: well, some progress made

04:02:50 mjr___: if anyone feels like watching my bumbling progress, http://54.214.31.74/

04:03:51 mjr___: this so far only has mongo and nodejs working

04:04:17 mjr___: and not in the best way yet

04:05:13 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.199989 BTC [-]

04:06:41 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.199999 BTC [+]

04:06:48 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.2 = 2.4 BTC [+]

04:07:04 assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 25 @ 0.0125 = 0.3125 BTC

04:07:28 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2 BTC [+]

04:07:47 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.22 = 2.44 BTC [+]

04:09:34 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.2 = 2.4 BTC [-]

04:10:19 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.22 = 2.44 BTC [+]

04:10:36 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.2 = 2.4 BTC [-]

04:10:56 assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.0125 = 0.025 BTC

04:12:22 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.22 = 2.44 BTC [+]

04:12:32 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.2 = 2.4 BTC [-]

04:12:39 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.222 = 2.444 BTC [+]

04:12:50 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.2222 = 2.4444 BTC [+]

04:12:55 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.22222 = 2.4444 BTC [+]

04:12:59 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.222222 = 4.8889 BTC [+]

04:14:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 1.99999999 = 4 BTC [-]

04:19:38 mjr___: if anyone else is looking, order updates don't work yet

04:19:43 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.18 = 2.36 BTC [-]

04:20:37 mod6: lol, sorry if I deleted that first one. I didn't know that [X] would do that.

04:20:53 mod6: I added another one as "Testing" or whatever. hehe. my bad.

04:21:21 mjr___: its all good

04:21:24 mjr___: thanks for helping me test

04:21:28 mjr___: feel free to play around

04:21:30 mjr___: i don't mind

04:21:36 mod6: And so far the Edit button gives a stack trace.

04:21:44 mjr___: right now i am getting basic functionality up and running

04:21:50 mjr___: yes, it does

04:21:50 mod6: I just thought I'd take a look, I saw you talkin about it earlier.

04:21:58 mjr___: this is the most basic version

04:22:05 mjr___: next i split into bids and asks

04:22:09 mjr___: get socket.io running

04:22:17 mjr___: so that all changes happen in real time

04:22:23 mod6: Cool. I hear you, gotta get some time to see what works inititally, etc.

04:22:24 mjr___: and then put in an angular front end

04:22:38 mjr___: yeah, but it doesn't make a difference

04:22:45 mjr___: i am using nodemon

04:22:52 mjr___: so all my changes auto update

04:23:09 mod6: I've been doing a bunch of programming on BitOTTer (android) today, thats been awesome. I'm excited to do some debugging tonight :)

04:23:10 mjr___: this is the blessing and curse of using other peoples shit

04:23:24 mjr___: i've got a lot of stuff working pretty quickly

04:23:32 mjr___: but finding out where the error is will take more time i think

04:23:36 thestringpuller: ;;calc 65000/240

04:23:37 gribble: 270.833333333

04:23:41 mjr___: feel free to check out the github

04:23:49 mod6: cool thanks!

04:23:49 thestringpuller: 200 mhs per avalon chip huh

04:23:53 mjr___: https://github.com/joshuarossi/buttonwood

04:24:27 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.18 BTC [-]

04:24:53 mjr___: and i also need to add an entire user system...geez, this is kinda a long process

04:26:12 mod6: HEH

04:26:27 mod6: Yeah it doesn't write it self.

04:26:34 mod6: *itself.

04:26:48 mjr___: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B5ZviIIaT7_kZ0VDNkJtSnljZms/edit?usp=sharing this is an old design of mine, and roughly what it should look like when done

04:26:48 mod6: but all good things in time... as they say.

04:27:01 mjr___: well, i am trying to do a hackathon attempt

04:27:04 mjr___: to have this up by monday

04:27:35 mjr___: and i have a rough wirefram mockup too...http://imgur.com/nu1YoOh

04:28:00 mjr___: rough idea is, people show up and can easily update their orders pretty much in real time

04:28:32 assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.0125 = 0.0375 BTC

04:28:33 mjr___: i built that first example but it didn't have all the backend functionality i wanted

04:29:36 mjr___: so...back to work, feel free to play around, you should see new features popping up

04:29:41 mod6: aight cool.

04:29:51 thestringpuller: ;;bc,stats

04:29:54 gribble: Current Blocks: 234576 | Current Difficulty: 1.0076292883418716E7 | Next Difficulty At Block: 235871 | Next Difficulty In: 1295 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 19 hours, 25 minutes, and 42 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 10106951.7269 | Estimated Percent Change: 0.30427

04:29:58 mjr___: http://thecodebarbarian.wordpress.com/ this is somewhat of a rough guide to the design philosophy

04:41:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00069101 = 3.3168 BTC [+]

04:54:01 thestringpuller: ;;next

04:54:01 gribble: targets: 120-123, 130 | updated by OneFixt at May 5 2013, 01:55 UTC ( tips: http://bit.ly/YnxUM4 ) | disclaimer: http://bit.ly/139er6E | this is not investment or trading advice | #bitcoin-analysis | 2 hours, 59 minutes, and 1 second ago

04:54:24 inhies: weeee

04:59:01 assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.0125 = 0.0375 BTC

04:59:08 assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 13 @ 0.012525 = 0.1628 BTC [+]

05:29:57 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.199111 BTC [+]

05:36:34 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 18 @ 1.199111 = 21.584 BTC [+]

05:36:39 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.2 = 2.4 BTC [+]

05:36:44 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 1.2199 = 8.5393 BTC [+]

05:39:01 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2199 BTC [+]

05:40:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.3198 BTC [+]

05:58:06 tiberiusiv: ;;asks 200

05:58:09 gribble: There are currently 111426.94 bitcoins offered at or under 200.0 USD, worth 16740305.7552 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0081 seconds

05:58:15 tiberiusiv: ;;bids 50

05:58:15 gribble: There are currently 149240.03 bitcoins demanded at or over 50.0 USD, worth 11268523.4082 USD in total. | Data vintage: 6.1148 seconds

06:00:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8426 @ 0.00069101 = 5.8225 BTC [+]

06:01:15 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.2199 = 2.4398 BTC [+]

06:03:28 assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.012525 = 0.0626 BTC [+]

06:11:14 inhies: well

06:11:17 inhies: this looks interesting

06:11:18 inhies: http://www.fixprotocol.org/

06:25:05 ardeay_: ;;ticker

06:25:06 gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 116.70180, Best ask: 117.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.29820, Last trade: 117.00000, 24 hour volume: 135072.13898755, 24 hour low: 96.91162, 24 hour high: 118.85000, 24 hour vwap: 109.31377

06:35:08 assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 32 @ 0.012525 = 0.4008 BTC [+]

06:36:33 assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 57 @ 0.01255 = 0.7154 BTC [+]

06:45:37 Chaang-Noi: http://qz.com/79651/google-just-launched-its-own-payment-card/

06:45:43 Chaang-Noi: http://google-africa.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/bebapay-launching-electronic-payments.html

06:45:51 Chaang-Noi: hmm google has its own btc, hmmm

06:47:01 tiberiusiv: thats a debit card

06:47:14 tiberiusiv: from a bank

06:47:21 Chaang-Noi: google is a bank now?

06:49:38 tiberiusiv: no you cant read?

06:49:43 tiberiusiv: they use a partner bank

06:49:45 tiberiusiv: fking idiot

06:50:02 tiberiusiv: http://www.equitybank.co.ke/

06:50:10 tiberiusiv: this is where the funds are held. its just a prepaid debit card service

06:50:22 tiberiusiv: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-Pesa

06:50:29 tiberiusiv: this is probably a more direct bitcoin competitor in africa

06:52:31 tiberiusiv: mpesa has more users then bitcoin

06:57:13 Chaang-Noi: oh tiberslav, :)

06:57:40 Chaang-Noi: its not even fun trolling you

07:05:13 assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.13001 BTC [-]

07:07:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5974 @ 0.00069101 = 4.1281 BTC [+]

07:07:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 226 @ 0.00069491 = 0.157 BTC [+]

07:10:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1502 @ 0.00068877 = 1.0345 BTC [-]

07:10:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10719 @ 0.00068835 = 7.3784 BTC [-]

07:34:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3763 @ 0.00069491 = 2.6149 BTC [+]

07:40:51 assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 39 @ 0.01255 = 0.4895 BTC [+]

07:46:53 assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 28 @ 0.01255 = 0.3514 BTC [+]

07:52:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00069491 = 9.1033 BTC [+]

07:55:01 assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.13001 BTC [-]

07:57:29 assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 2 @ 0.108899 = 0.2178 BTC [+]

08:39:01 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.219 BTC [-]

08:40:07 Chaang-Noi: hey MP https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg2032349#msg2032349

08:40:15 Chaang-Noi: think that could be the finish guy?

08:40:55 wao: hm

08:40:57 wao: why not

08:44:26 mircea_popescu: nah. not at all the same facial features.

08:45:26 mircea_popescu: the camwhore pic is lol tho

08:46:38 assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 7 @ 0.410001 = 2.87 BTC [+]

08:46:42 assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.41 BTC [-]

08:47:09 Chaang-Noi: i kinda doubt it as well, but man, it would explain a few things:)

08:48:05 assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.4005 = 0.801 BTC [-]

08:50:16 mircea_popescu: well yeah. nevertheles...

08:50:18 assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.22701 = 0.454 BTC [+]

08:50:27 assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.227 BTC [-]

08:50:31 assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.2263 = 0.4526 BTC [-]

08:50:35 mircea_popescu: no, i'm pretty sure this is a young guy with a little money/ a business who discovered btc later than us, got real excited, wanted to burn the stages

08:50:46 mircea_popescu: because wtf, why listen to mpoe-pr, she's a woman.

08:51:09 Chaang-Noi: i think he likes you honestly

08:51:19 Chaang-Noi: but cant deal with someone who only says insults

08:51:25 mircea_popescu: i think he dislikes me but would like my approval.

08:51:51 Chaang-Noi: she really for the most part does not do anything but show how trash she is

08:52:05 Chaang-Noi: she can not attack people with wit or class

08:52:11 Chaang-Noi: insults only go so far

08:52:36 mircea_popescu: have you seen the latest ?

08:52:38 Chaang-Noi: she can have good posts if she is objective and not attacking a person or idea

08:52:50 Chaang-Noi: i doubt it, im just talking about over the last 2 eyars or whatever

08:53:20 Chaang-Noi: any one here want 10,000 ltc for 309 or so btc?

08:53:21 mircea_popescu: lemme see this, i lolled.

08:53:30 assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.01255 BTC [+]

08:53:38 Chaang-Noi: shec an have good posts, but on average she does more harm than good

08:54:00 assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.22632 BTC [+]

08:54:10 assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.22631 = 0.4526 BTC [-]

08:54:19 assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 12 @ 0.2263 = 2.7156 BTC [-]

08:54:48 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=195110.msg2031276#msg2031276

08:55:11 mircea_popescu: she's actually better at the wit & class takedowns imo

08:55:18 mircea_popescu: it's just on the forum she rarely has any opportunity to.

08:57:00 Chaang-Noi: well these three people are clearly idots

08:57:28 Chaang-Noi: i avoid the whole economic subsection as 985 of the people who post there are idots

08:57:36 Chaang-Noi: the real people who understand, are doing shit...

08:57:41 Chaang-Noi: like in the assets subsection

08:58:39 truff1es: <Chaang-Noi> she can have good posts if she is objective and not attacking a person or idea>>> sounds like mircea_popescu

08:58:40 mircea_popescu: she rarely if ever goes after people who actually do something afaik.

08:59:25 assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 3 @ 0.13011 = 0.3903 BTC [+]

08:59:32 assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 3 @ 0.12501 = 0.375 BTC [-]

08:59:39 Chaang-Noi: she was after me for months about my mining operation claiming it was a scam cuz no photos. i told her three times the link to the photos wherein the op of the thread

08:59:44 assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.125001 BTC [-]

08:59:50 assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 5 @ 0.125 = 0.625 BTC [-]

09:00:05 Chaang-Noi: she has improved ill give you that but her last attack on reptillia man seems kinda lame

09:00:12 Chaang-Noi: seemed

09:01:14 Chaang-Noi: as crazy as it sounds, the repillia guy might be right and we hit, $300,000 a btc by new years

09:01:39 Chaang-Noi: i think he is nuts but it should be expressed with something other than an insult

09:01:50 assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.13012 BTC [+]

09:02:10 truff1es: you cant really teach someone how to express themselves :)

09:02:19 truff1es: oh wait u can but..

09:02:39 assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.1001 BTC [-]

09:03:29 assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.1 BTC [-]

09:03:29 mircea_popescu: so go do it lol.

09:04:33 Chaang-Noi: that sell to that repitilla guys has made my portfolio out of balance, i have more cash on hand than i want in thailand...

09:04:44 Chaang-Noi: i dont trust the banks

09:05:02 Chaang-Noi: the only way i see getting it out of thailand is buying back btc

09:05:14 truff1es: Chaang-Noi you made a legit transaction with repitilla?

09:05:19 Chaang-Noi: yeah

09:05:23 Chaang-Noi: well 1/2 of one

09:05:28 truff1es: oh my

09:05:28 Chaang-Noi: he wired me 2.65 million baht

09:05:33 truff1es: so he is for real

09:05:45 Chaang-Noi: well, he at one point had 2.65 million bhat

09:05:50 Chaang-Noi: but i would say yes

09:06:01 Chaang-Noi: he is a bit delusional but id say he is real

09:06:07 Chaang-Noi: well more than a bit

09:06:19 truff1es: its the kind of mind that believes bitcoin with go up up up

09:06:46 Chaang-Noi: yeah and he joined the bull market a bit too late

09:07:00 Chaang-Noi: $72 is his lowest buy in i think

09:07:09 Chaang-Noi: clearly he bought from me at 133 or so

09:07:15 Chaang-Noi: i dont know if higher or not

09:07:38 truff1es: he's doing well for himself regardless

09:08:08 Chaang-Noi: he claims to ahve 10,000 oz of silver

09:08:19 Chaang-Noi: im a silver bug and i dont even have that much silver

09:09:44 mircea_popescu: what's that, like 300 btc's worth ?

09:10:06 Chaang-Noi: $240,000 usd

09:10:16 Chaang-Noi: well more than that

09:10:32 Chaang-Noi: 2100 or so btc

09:10:47 mircea_popescu: aha

09:10:58 Chaang-Noi: nothing massive, but its still something

09:11:21 truff1es: pretty massive to me :D

09:12:22 mircea_popescu: ye

09:12:41 truff1es: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEYLBKAPYeI

09:13:03 truff1es: thats a real showoff

09:13:45 Chaang-Noi: lol

09:13:51 Chaang-Noi: i have a 1000 oz bar....

09:14:12 truff1es: i was expecting to see the bar not a summary

09:14:24 Chaang-Noi: i dont have photos of my silver

09:15:04 Chaang-Noi: honestly half of it iv never even seen

09:16:24 truff1es: http://www.jeremyjacobs.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/1000oz.silver.bullion.bar_.underneath.jpg

09:17:08 truff1es: the gold bar looks like chocolate to me ..

09:17:11 Chaang-Noi: mine is only 970ish oz but its a comex bar, they call it 1000oz bars.

09:18:55 mircea_popescu: if anyone cares, seems the lme is moving to hk

09:19:17 Chaang-Noi: does not really effect me

09:19:30 Chaang-Noi: but really, its logical

09:24:25 truff1es: just realized the name is rpietila not repitilla..

09:24:42 Chaang-Noi: :)

09:33:23 truff1es: is there a tldr of the rpietila diary?

09:37:26 Chaang-Noi: he is a nutter who odds are is on coke/weed and thin\ks btw will be 1 million usd by christmas

09:37:27 Chaang-Noi: he is also having a conferance in finland where everyone is forced to wear top hats and drive in limos

09:37:27 truff1es: hehe

09:37:27 Chaang-Noi: otehr than looking fancy they are going to try to set up a "super node" dealership network

09:37:27 Chaang-Noi: however no one is going cuz lack of plaaning and it being too soon

09:37:28 Chaang-Noi: mp did that pretty much cover it?

09:37:28 truff1es: so he should do another next yr

09:37:28 Chaang-Noi: i might have left something out, been a lot of lulz

09:37:28 mircea_popescu: lol i had no idea about the top hats

09:37:28 Chaang-Noi: well... im not sure what he wants to accomplish

09:37:28 mircea_popescu: bwahahaha

09:37:28 Chaang-Noi: mp well they are not forced to wear top hats but he did get a limo and the point is to be a show off

09:37:28 Chaang-Noi: i did exagerate that a bit

09:37:28 truff1es: "There are now 6 paid admissions to the summit, and all of them are for a physical stay."

09:37:28 Chaang-Noi: but it just seemed fitting for the style he is going for

09:37:29 Chaang-Noi: the first 3 qare his staff

09:37:29 Chaang-Noi: so really only 3

09:37:29 Chaang-Noi: and they are all new people who are in the area who want to learn more about btc

09:37:37 Chaang-Noi: i dont think they are "super nodes"

09:38:43 truff1es: seems perfect for someone like mircea_popescu

09:39:51 truff1es: a place to showoff and show how much they know than everyone else :p

09:40:00 assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.22631 BTC [+]

09:40:08 assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 9 @ 0.2263 = 2.0367 BTC [-]

09:40:43 mircea_popescu: yeah. so weird tho, americans are really uncomfortable showing off.

09:42:59 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.219 = 4.876 BTC [-]

09:43:04 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.219 = 2.438 BTC [-]

09:43:44 assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 18 @ 0.01255 = 0.2259 BTC [+]

09:43:59 mircea_popescu: what's a node anyway.

09:44:00 truff1es: node Noun

09:44:00 truff1es: A point at which lines or pathways intersect or branch; a central or connecting point.

09:44:00 truff1es: A piece of equipment, such as a PC or peripheral, attached to a network.

09:44:03 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=192122.msg2030167#msg2030167 lmao

09:44:04 truff1es: seems like rpietila aims to make btc an exclusive thing, dont like

09:49:02 truff1es: (Without almost a single exception) every time I read MPOE-PR, I think, "but he cannot be, if he actually pays for this shit to be posted in his name". >>> sick burn

09:49:22 Chaang-Noi: inaba is about as good with pr as your girl...

09:52:07 mircea_popescu: lol

09:52:08 mircea_popescu: not really.

09:52:19 mircea_popescu: actually i don't know anyone nearly as good as her on those forums.

09:52:28 Chaang-Noi: for pr?

09:52:31 mircea_popescu: perhaps gavin, but only on the condition that he keeps quiet a lot on most issues.

09:52:32 mircea_popescu: yes for pr.

09:53:09 Chaang-Noi: well to each thier own, imo they both do more hard to the image of the company they work for

09:53:20 Chaang-Noi: harm*

09:53:56 mircea_popescu: pr is about communication, you must be confusing it with advertising ?

09:54:47 Chaang-Noi: public relations, yes clearly there is communication, but you communicate ideas, the ideas she communicates are not what i would considrer to be good

09:54:51 Chaang-Noi: inaba same

09:55:24 Chaang-Noi: as in not good for the image of the company she represents and is speaking for

09:55:52 Chaang-Noi: when she has the PR tag she is your face to the world

09:56:02 Chaang-Noi: people see her, and judge you and your company

09:56:17 mircea_popescu: yeah. exactly.

09:56:50 mircea_popescu: the difference here would be that inaba never gave a strauight answer, has been caught lieing etc.

09:56:50 Chaang-Noi: they dont take her siourly, and so they dont take you either

09:57:35 mircea_popescu: mpoe-pr has given nothing but straight answers, and has alweays been right.

09:57:36 truff1es: Chaang-Noi have u read fraudsters, they dont care lol

09:57:36 mircea_popescu: seems to me quite a difference there.

09:57:36 mircea_popescu: i beg to differ.

09:57:41 Chaang-Noi: yes there is a differance between her and inaba, but just cuz inaba is fail does not mean your pr girl is good

09:57:41 mircea_popescu: she's probably the only one there taken quite seriously.

09:57:42 Chaang-Noi: by whom?

09:57:43 Chaang-Noi: she is one of the mostly highly ignored people

09:57:51 mircea_popescu: everyone. when she drops the shoe the entire dev team gets cracking for one.

09:57:55 cads: mircea_popescu: re. the showing off, I've often wondered about that myself.

09:57:56 mircea_popescu: eh right, like that matters.

09:58:04 mircea_popescu: cads aha ?

09:58:15 Chaang-Noi: placing someone on ignore does not = respect

09:58:56 Chaang-Noi: but what truffles said, it does seem you guys just dont give a fuck

09:59:00 truff1es: yea mp take me off ignore!

09:59:00 cads: In america, when someone shows off they tend to be an asshole. Keeping your cards close to your chest is often a better social move here, because showing off invites open ridicule.

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09:59:31 mircea_popescu: truffles is of course on my ignore, so yeah.

09:59:39 cads: From my personal experience, for example, when Romanians show off in front of Americans, at best they tend to be perceived as lovable assholes. The fact that many romanians tend to show off only they can back it with something tangible helps in establishing relationships between americans and romanians, but there is often a secret distaste.

09:59:43 Chaang-Noi: yeah showing off in thailand is so much different than showing off in the usa

09:59:58 mircea_popescu: cads where's the romanians spring up from ?!

10:00:11 cads: I'm romanian, hah

10:00:40 mircea_popescu: a lol ok.

10:00:41 Chaang-Noi: wow 2/3rd of this conversation is romainian :)

10:00:47 mircea_popescu: anyway, the problem is mistaken socialisation. the average american can not simply go talk to a woman.

10:00:47 truff1es: "lovable assholes" is there such a thing

10:00:57 mircea_popescu: they have weirdo protestant issues.

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10:01:16 Chaang-Noi: i ahve no problem with your girl being a girl, that is not it at all lol

10:01:36 mircea_popescu: no, we were discussing his showoff thing.

10:01:41 Chaang-Noi: inaba?

10:01:51 mircea_popescu: i thought the mpoe-pr discussion is over, as in, sigh.

10:01:51 Chaang-Noi: reptilla?

10:01:51 truff1es: they switched topics

10:01:56 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.22 = 2.44 BTC [+]

10:01:59 mircea_popescu: are you ignoring cads or something ?

10:02:03 cads: mircea_popescu: yep. And they're also very guarded about their real capabilities, so for example, whereas a romanian might be happy to brag about how little he payed on a car if you ask, asking an american the same question is often a faux pas.

10:02:05 truff1es: romanians showing off = lovable assholes

10:02:24 Chaang-Noi: im multy tasking, sorry, im sure the fail is on my end

10:02:26 mircea_popescu: eh faux pas my foot.

10:03:08 mircea_popescu: i submit that taking this retarded childrengarten bullshit into consideration is empowering the mental disease.

10:03:11 mircea_popescu: it's not a faux pas and if johnny thinks so let him go in a corner and sulk

10:03:38 Chaang-Noi: in thailand if you ahve money you are expected to show off

10:03:59 Chaang-Noi: people pay 4 times the normal price of a car (cuz taxes) just so they can show off

10:04:06 mircea_popescu: lol

10:04:11 cads: hehe

10:04:12 cads: nice!

10:04:16 Chaang-Noi: people respect things ehre more than people and idea

10:04:18 mircea_popescu: nobody can just be normal it seems ;/

10:04:34 Chaang-Noi: its not how smart your brain is, but how smart you are dressed that matters

10:04:56 truff1es: Chaang-Noi ask mp to define normal

10:05:11 Chaang-Noi: mp truffles wants to know what "normal" means

10:06:34 cads: mircea_popescu: for salaried upper middle class workers in romania, what is the normal attitude towards revealing their exact salary figure to their coworkers?

10:07:04 Chaang-Noi: ah wage slaves

10:07:27 mircea_popescu: cads i have no idea tbh.

10:07:34 Diablo-D3: !ticker

10:07:34 assbot: Are you sure you have no tobacco?

10:07:34 Diablo-D3: ;;ticker

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10:07:57 cads: Say I receive $100K a year, and I suspect that this is $20K more than the rest of my coworkers in the same position as me, because I'm more skilled. Would it be something I'd brag about?

10:09:14 Chaang-Noi: i dont think mp knows many wage slaves

10:10:03 cads: hehe, perhaps not

10:10:17 mircea_popescu: yeah i tend to not hire romanians

10:11:33 mircea_popescu: anyway, as far as salaries go about 7k a year pre tax would be an average salary.

10:11:46 mircea_popescu: i don't see where exactly you'd be making 100k a year and have coworkers in the same office making 80.

10:12:10 mircea_popescu: senior tv execs working for the main network make 15 or some shit

10:13:04 Chaang-Noi: do most people speak english in romania?

10:13:20 Chaang-Noi: sounds like a fun place to visit

10:13:27 mircea_popescu: senior corporate officers in state entreprises make something like 15-20k and they're talking of introducing a tax just for them to lower that.

10:13:36 cads: mircea_popescu: this is common here in upper management in mid to large scale businesses. My understanding is that when the amounts of money are that large, it becomes profitable to remain private about them. People say "I got the raise!" but don't say how much the raise was.

10:13:42 mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi the younger kids mostly do, about half pretty well about half so-so

10:13:47 mircea_popescu: the older folks mostly don't.

10:13:56 Chaang-Noi: cool

10:14:08 Chaang-Noi: if i make it to europe ill stop by

10:14:37 mircea_popescu: cads you know i'm perfectly aware who makes what where

10:15:03 mircea_popescu: "Can Facebook lead to psychosis? One study says so" win.

10:15:48 cads: hah, charming

10:16:12 mircea_popescu: where are you anyway, canada ?

10:16:37 cads: Atlanta

10:16:59 cads: You? Bucharest?

10:17:23 mircea_popescu: timisoara atm

10:23:39 truff1es: <Chaang-Noi> mp truffles wants to know what "normal" means >>> thanks, achieved the goal even if ignored :)

10:23:39 Chaang-Noi: can you hunt brown bears?

10:31:07 truff1es: i think so

10:33:16 cads: Chaang-Noi: are you from thailand?

10:33:16 cads: hehe, truffles, are you just used to people ignoring you?

10:33:20 truff1es: <cads> hehe, truffles, are you just used to people ignoring you?>>no just assholes

10:33:20 truff1es: irl i dont purposely go into the same space as an asshole, but on the internet most ppl are so its a moot point

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10:42:21 cads: truff1es: I mean, some people are so incoherent in their opinions that I get the distinct feeling that I'm _stupider_ after arguing with them, and if these people consistently attack my positions with poor argument tactics, then I have little to gain from them in way of exchange of ideas, and I ignore them.

10:43:02 truff1es: hmmmm

10:43:12 truff1es: then u ask for clarification

10:43:24 truff1es: information is what you make of it

10:44:18 cads: truff1es: information from a random variable is what you make of it, true, but if the variable is too random, it's impossible to make knowledge from it, however hard you try :D

10:44:53 truff1es: hence why its best to seek clarification

10:45:05 truff1es: cant really do that through ignore

10:47:06 cads: truffles, lets put it this way. Consider you talk to 10 people online, and you know that 9 of those people tend to say things that you fine useful, some of the time. But now imagine that the 10th person not only says things that are useless, they also try to mislead you, and they drown out the reasonable words of the other 9 people.

10:47:58 cads: And suppose that after extensive attempts at asking for clarification, the person continues to demonstrate that they do not have your interest in mind - they continue to BS you, and what's worse, arguing with them makes you look like a fool in front of the other 9 people.

10:48:02 truff1es: they also try to mislead you, and they drown out the reasonable words of the other 9 people.>>> this needs clarification

10:50:14 cads: truff1es: sure, let me clarify with an example. 9 people are decent people interested in talking about the topic, and the 10th person is just a troll, interested in ridiculing anyone that gives them attention. Say they are flooding the channel, and there are no ops, and you're being distracted from your other 9 contemporaries.

10:50:50 truff1es: ok.. but id assume spam gets boot

10:51:06 cads: would you not ignore the offensive charachter? Or would you force yourself to take cognitive loss, and manually take the time filter out the useless chatter?

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10:52:43 cads: truff1es: giving yourself a cognitive advantage by ignoring the poor information source is a good strategy in these situations - it's not weakness, it's prudence.

10:52:44 truff1es: i would disagree that although these 9 people are coherent it does not imply they hold your best interest, information is for me to filter so i wouldnt see the need to ignore..

10:53:28 mircea_popescu: cads http://polimedia.us/fraudsters/2013/my-background-cliffsnotes/

10:53:33 mircea_popescu: there, you're responsible.

10:53:47 cads: oh dear god, for what?

10:54:11 cads: oh what have I done :D

10:55:31 mircea_popescu: lol

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10:56:27 cads: hehe, truff1es I hear what you're saying, but surely even you draw limits at a certain point: consider, one may choose not hang out on 4chan. This is the same as ignoring every single member of 4chan. If you believe you have the capacity to filter out all information by directly reading it, then why aren't you plugged into every chat in the world, filtering?

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10:57:01 assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 833 @ 0.0012 = 0.9996 BTC [-]

10:57:03 assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 2 @ 0.01003 = 0.0201 BTC [+]

10:57:16 cads: that was uncharitable, but I hope you get my drift - ignoring someone is just one of the many ways of filtering your information input

10:57:17 truff1es: i like to read but you have to learn to skim :p

10:58:05 cads: I believe that you simply assign a negative emotional connotation towards it because you've been at the blunt end of an ignore or two, and you know how much that stings

10:58:53 truff1es: i havent been on irc in a while afaik i dont get ignored much

10:59:34 truff1es: mp is just an asshole and ran from a debate imo

11:00:53 truff1es: filtering is a philosophy not based on emotional reactions..

11:01:07 cads: I would agree there

11:02:17 truff1es: ure trying to say that because i mightve been ignored in the past, i take this postion, it would be so regardless

11:02:23 assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 4 @ 0.015999 = 0.064 BTC [-]

11:02:41 cads: nah, I think I may have made a red herring there

11:03:06 cads: truff1es: also, it occurs to me that leaving a chat room is not the same as ignoring everyone in that chat room. Information is not symmetric, in the latter case.

11:03:54 assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.19794 BTC [+]

11:04:08 truff1es: can you restate that

11:05:44 cads: truff1es: If I ignore someone in a chat, they can still see what I'm saying. So it's not the same thing as leaving the chat. Ignore can be used to assert a sort of dominance.

11:06:35 truff1es: heh

11:06:48 truff1es: mp tries

11:07:00 cads: truff1es: In other words, ignore actually can be used as an asshole strategy. is that part of your argument against the desirability of ignore?

11:07:35 cads: I would argue that I have used ignore judiciously many times... but I'd also admit that I've used it a few times in a mean spirit.

11:08:13 cads: *shrug*, in any case, we could philosophize about this all day

11:08:22 truff1es: yep

11:08:22 cads: any closing words?

11:08:40 cads: it's time to cook some breakfast and get started with the day here :D

11:08:45 truff1es: do whats best for you..

11:09:31 mircea_popescu: now you know why he's on my ignore.

11:09:31 truff1es: enjoy

11:09:44 mircea_popescu: there's plenty of fucking support channels for people with emo issues. this happens to be the bitcoin assets chan.

11:09:53 mircea_popescu: he has no assets and so doesn't really belong.

11:10:09 truff1es: *rolls eyes*

11:11:54 cads: haha, mircea_popescu, and what assets have I? Besides my charming good looks, which are hardly fungible ;)

11:12:44 mircea_popescu: it's a start.

11:12:56 cads: I guess maybe the only claim to legitimacy I have is that I'm genuinely interested in understanding assets

11:13:37 truff1es: so am i ..

11:24:15 cads: truff1es: good deal. as long as we remain teachable, life is pretty good, I find

11:25:16 cads: just.. don't learn any lessons that are not profitable

11:25:31 truff1es: i dont live to make just profits

11:26:01 assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.01255 = 0.0251 BTC [+]

11:26:18 truff1es: everything is a learning experince including our discussion

11:26:20 truff1es: to me

11:28:10 truff1es: im here because its part of the bitcoins sphere, which is currently my interest

11:28:19 truff1es: i think thats what u wanted to know

11:28:50 Chaaang-Noi: piratebay now accepts litecoins :)

11:29:37 truff1es: u dont have to use a mirror Chaaang-Noi?

11:30:01 Chaaang-Noi: what?

11:30:10 truff1es: piratebay mirror site

11:30:13 Chaaang-Noi: to send them ltcs?

11:30:22 Chaaang-Noi: piratebay.sx

11:30:22 truff1es: unrelated

11:30:35 Chaaang-Noi: but no, to send ltc you dont need a mirror, that is not how litecoin owrks

11:30:58 assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 21 @ 0.01255 = 0.2636 BTC [+]

11:31:11 truff1es: ok. was asking a broad question

11:32:43 truff1es: thanks, ill be using it more often again

11:33:03 Chaaang-Noi: then send them some crypto they take btc too

11:34:13 truff1es: when i get some, not the 1st place i send to

11:34:50 truff1es: great song on the page

11:42:31 assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 6 @ 0.4 = 2.4 BTC [-]

11:43:26 assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.4 BTC [-]

11:43:59 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.222 = 2.444 BTC [+]

11:52:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8111 @ 0.00069491 = 5.6364 BTC [+]

11:52:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1839 @ 0.0006992 = 1.2858 BTC [+]

11:58:03 Chaaang-Noi: 111.111 lol

11:58:06 Chaaang-Noi: ;ticker

11:58:09 Chaaang-Noi: ;;ticker

11:58:10 gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 111.10903, Best ask: 112.08978, Bid-ask spread: 0.98075, Last trade: 112.08978, 24 hour volume: 138738.91461295, 24 hour low: 101.10201, 24 hour high: 118.85000, 24 hour vwap: 111.33594

12:00:22 thestringpuller: Chaaang-Noi: you cool as shit

12:00:30 thestringpuller: even tho u a bit cray cray

12:01:13 Chaaang-Noi: lol what?

12:01:53 Uglux: lol

12:04:40 thestringpuller: You is living the American Dream in Thailand.

12:04:46 Chaaang-Noi: yeah

12:04:57 Chaaang-Noi: life is good

12:05:07 thestringpuller: life is always good if you are living :P

12:05:12 thestringpuller: or at least should be

12:05:19 kakobrekla: sup

12:05:21 Chaaang-Noi: i hear guantanimo bay sucks

12:05:56 cads: mircea_popescu, I read your story - quite the adventure, I see. I admire your tenacity and natural talent, while being relieved to see that you do not yet have it "all figured out", which I feel would be boring for you. I wish you continued prosperity and a future that does not cease to provide interesting situations!

12:06:10 thestringpuller: Okay: life is always good if you are living and not locked up. :P

12:06:18 mircea_popescu: ha. ty.

12:06:30 thestringpuller: you are making us atlantians look bad cads

12:06:44 cads: I'm amazed with the care and attention that romanian schools give to the smart kids - here in america, being bright means being ridiculed

12:06:49 assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 84 @ 0.01255 = 1.0542 BTC [+]

12:06:53 thestringpuller: cads: We got Ludacris and Outkast tho.

12:06:58 thestringpuller: And the Braves.

12:07:01 assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.01255 = 1.255 BTC [+]

12:07:13 assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.012575 = 0.6288 BTC [+]

12:07:21 assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 16 @ 0.0126 = 0.2016 BTC [+]

12:07:23 cads: thestringpuller: and some nice architecture, to boot

12:07:35 cads: thestringpuller: you are an atlien?

12:07:39 Chaaang-Noi: where is this story about mp?

12:08:11 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.2222 = 2.4444 BTC [+]

12:08:12 thestringpuller: LOL. I live here. But I was born an lived my infancy in da north.

12:08:14 cads: Chaaang-Noi: repaste is here: http://polimedia.us/fraudsters/2013/my-background-cliffsnotes/

12:08:20 thestringpuller: I lived her most my life*

12:08:36 cads: thestringpuller: the real test: do you ever use the word "y'all"

12:08:43 cads: or the phrase "what had happened was..."

12:08:43 mircea_popescu: cads well that was some years ago.

12:08:46 thestringpuller: I is from da burbs though.

12:08:55 mircea_popescu: but yes, being smart meant you get the blowjobs back then

12:09:19 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.22222 = 2.4444 BTC [+]

12:09:21 thestringpuller: No. I'm a suburban unfortunately. But my homies is gangsta.

12:09:26 mircea_popescu: fwiw, i liked atlanta.

12:09:37 ThickAsThieves: i liked atlanta too

12:09:40 ThickAsThieves: went there recently

12:09:48 kakobrekla: trap http://www.rtcons.com/wall/15830.11.png

12:10:06 ThickAsThieves: some of it reminded me of parts of Boston

12:10:15 mircea_popescu: looks like a bad geek hairdo

12:10:28 ThickAsThieves: it's the only metro city i've been to in the southeast that i liked

12:10:37 cads: mircea_popescu, ThickAsThieves, ty. I love my city, and really, economically, architecturally, culturally, there are only a handful of other american cities that match or exceed it.

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12:10:57 cads: at least so I tell myself, lol

12:11:01 thestringpuller: Atlanta is lame yo. Whatchu talkin' bout cads.

12:11:12 mircea_popescu: you could do worse. you could be from like... i dunno, mobile ?

12:11:23 mircea_popescu: la ?

12:11:27 thestringpuller: We have lame colleges, and lame infrastructure. We just happen to not be as lame as the other places around us.

12:11:59 mircea_popescu: lame colleges only matter up until you're about 25. then you realise it's a waste of time anyway

12:12:22 cads: thestringpuller: haha, as a recent college dropout, I can attest to the lame college. As a daily marta rider for the last two years, I can attest to the failing infrastructure.

12:13:02 thestringpuller: State school kinda suck. It's all public image and no substance.

12:13:11 thestringpuller: Exactly what mircea_popescu loves.

12:13:13 thestringpuller: :P

12:13:23 cads: still, there is something rough, vulgar, and thriving about this city that I don't feel when in, say, pittsburg, or saint louis, or miami

12:13:50 thestringpuller: That's because so many people come through it.

12:13:56 thestringpuller: Atlanta is a whore with that airport of hers.

12:14:13 cads: imo, hating on atlanta and loving on it are the same practice, so anyways, enough loving on atlanta ;)

12:14:21 thestringpuller: http://mbostock.github.io/d3/talk/20111116/airports.html hover over atlanta

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12:15:17 mircea_popescu: whoa i had no diea

12:15:21 mircea_popescu: bigger than ohare even

12:15:27 cads: oh gosh, the airport... it's like rich white men said, "lets take the poorest sector of the city and put an airport in it. But here's the catch, lets hire _only people from the suburbs, MUAHAHAHA"

12:16:30 thestringpuller: The only thing more lame than living in Atlanta is Texas.

12:17:06 mircea_popescu: i loved texas gtfo

12:17:17 thestringpuller: Have you ever lived there?!?

12:17:28 thestringpuller: That place is miserable unless you were born in a desert :P

12:17:35 cads: actually, there's a lot of that 'white privilege' sentiment going on it Atlanta. That, and the narrow religious views, those are the only things I really dislike about my city.

12:18:05 thestringpuller: cads: not the trend of becoming hipster land

12:18:51 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller you kidding, all it has are hot blondy bartenders who buy me drinks

12:19:12 thestringpuller: so does LA but the weather is far superior

12:19:28 mircea_popescu: meh.

12:19:57 thestringpuller: It goes over 100 in that Texas/Arizona region

12:20:16 cads: thestringpuller: one time some black dudes came into my house and beat me and robbed me at gun point. The interrogated me for an hour about where the drugs were (my roommate at the time was a drug dealer - bad fucking choice on my part). In the months after that I found rascist sentiment from around me was taking root in my mind very easily.

12:20:23 cads: so I decided to hate hipsters instead

12:20:38 thestringpuller: The only time I've gone to Las Vegas I thought I was going to melt, or at least my shoes.

12:20:40 cads: I despise rascism as a form of extreme mental weakness

12:20:57 cads: but then I realized that my new found hate of hipsters was just as bad!

12:21:20 mircea_popescu: cads wait.

12:21:22 thestringpuller: dude hipsters suuuuck, they are leftovers from the dot com boom

12:21:24 mircea_popescu: you KNEW he was dealing ?

12:22:13 cads: mircea_popescu: worse, I was a customer. He was a pot dealer, nothing serious, but he had a high profile.

12:22:30 mircea_popescu: well that was pretty retarded, then. what did you think was going to happen ?

12:22:57 thestringpuller: cads is jesse pinkman

12:23:00 thestringpuller: lol

12:23:22 cads: mircea_popescu: I wasn't in a mental state to attempt to compute rational expectations at the time.

12:23:41 mircea_popescu: i'm envisaging that brad pitt role in true romance

12:23:46 cads: thestringpuller: haha, minus the meth

12:23:49 mircea_popescu: incidentally, wasn't that the most adequate role for pitt ever ?

12:24:12 cads: haha, you're going to think me a philistine, but I've not seen the film, despite being a pitt fan

12:24:56 mircea_popescu: its not bad.

12:25:00 mircea_popescu: actually i wonder...

12:25:04 mircea_popescu: ;;google fraudsters true romance

12:25:05 gribble: New MPEx key pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: http://polimedia.us/fraudsters/2013/new-mpex-key/; So what's the plan with MPOE/MPEx ? pe fraudsters - Un blog de ...: http://polimedia.us/fraudsters/2013/so-whats-the-plan-with-mpoempex/; The Trilemma Revised: Harry Potter and a Landscape of Moral ...: http://ir.uiowa.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1063&context=poroi

12:25:12 mircea_popescu: seems not

12:25:14 Chaaang-Noi: mp Argentina eh?

12:25:23 mircea_popescu: http://polimedia.us/fraudsters/2013/true-romance-tarantino-cut/

12:25:27 mircea_popescu: dude google is fucking useless

12:25:28 Chaaang-Noi: i want has visit

12:25:40 mircea_popescu: Chaaang-Noi bring silver

12:25:48 Chaaang-Noi: that i can do

12:25:53 cads: thestringpuller: remember when pinkman is in rehab, convincing others to go back out and use? Yeah, I don't think I was ever that bad off, lol

12:25:55 Chaaang-Noi: they like dollars as well

12:26:02 cads: that's just low, lol

12:26:11 mircea_popescu: Chaaang-Noi its a joke. i think half the world;s silver comes from argentina

12:26:17 mircea_popescu: hence the motherfuckin' name

12:26:24 Chaaang-Noi: i know they have hard currancy issues,

12:26:35 cads: mircea_popescu: aha, another person that notices that google's performance is collapsing under the cascade of data

12:26:37 Chaaang-Noi: i dont think silver is a bad idea, but dollars from the usa are better

12:26:54 cads: mircea_popescu: we need another fundamental breakthrough in search engine technology, but soon.

12:27:08 kakobrekla: i think the problem is gribble aint personalized :)

12:27:10 mircea_popescu: cads by the time you give it the site title and two words from the page title and it finds two pages on that site w/o the words in them...

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12:27:26 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you know my browser is anon.

12:27:36 cads: perhaps an incentive structure that doesn't force the search engine firm to degrade its search quality in return for profits

12:27:45 kakobrekla: mircea_popescu they only correct way

12:27:56 mircea_popescu: cads that's only going to happen once we make marketing illegal.

12:28:05 mircea_popescu: i don't understand why rape is illegal and marketing is not ffs.

12:28:24 mircea_popescu: the other way around would make for a better world even.

12:30:50 cads: Haha, trading the maiden-hood for the consumer good.

12:31:30 cads: you may be right, strictly speaking - the problem is that people have not yet understood that marketing equals coercion

12:31:40 mircea_popescu: but i mean, what, they put up signs and what, i have to "Deal with it" ?

12:31:58 mircea_popescu: why doesn't the rape victim "Deal with it" while all the marketing bullshit is punished by 20 to life.

12:32:43 cads: hah, mircea, for someone with such a pretty mouth you sure are courageous to unleash rape on the world

12:32:58 cads: legal rape would still be abhorrent

12:33:08 mircea_popescu: legal marketing is even more abhorrent

12:33:15 cads: hehe, and pardon my joke

12:33:38 mircea_popescu: actually ima write this up, the similarities line up all too well.

12:36:44 cads: mircea_popescu: I would be forced to agree, though in your writeup consider that you are a parent with a daughter. You live in a world where the collapse of the viability of marketing strategies has lead to an unprecedented increase in the productivity and quality of life, on average. And all that you've had to pay is that your daughter got raped 6 times while she was growing up, starting at the age of 6, with her teacher, 9 with a boy

12:36:44 cads: in the town, 11 with a janitor, and so on. You did not have legal resource in these situations, and the 2 men that you secretly had killed, they could put you in jail from beyond the grave if you are discovered. You live in a world of unprecedented prosperity, where vigilantism is prohibited.

12:37:06 cads: is this is acceptable from this peasant father perspective?

12:37:25 mircea_popescu: you know this is exactly how women got pregnant for most of human history ?

12:37:36 mircea_popescu: and when i say most i don't mean 51%. i mean 99.9999addnines%

12:38:03 cads: granted, and it's also how most animals get pregnant

12:38:08 mircea_popescu: for that matter, if your putative daughter gets raped today your practical recourse is

12:38:18 mircea_popescu: ;;google that russian guy who went on a rampage cause they raped his daughter

12:38:19 gribble: War rape - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_rape; List of serial killers by number of victims - Wikipedia, the free ...: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_serial_killers_by_number_of_victims; Ram Singh: Delhi gang rape suspect's family claim he was ...: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2291392/Ram-Singh-Delhi-gang-rape-suspects- (1 more message)

12:38:28 mircea_popescu: totally useful this google doohickey.

12:38:38 mircea_popescu: explain to me again why people think it should have a higher market cap than mpoe ?

12:40:10 cads: marketing ;)

12:40:16 mircea_popescu: ol

12:40:19 mircea_popescu: good one

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12:43:02 cads: mircea_popescu, you know sexual molestation is not only prevalent among females, but also among males. We are truly animals when we allow ourselves to be, and who can estimate the lost productivity due to the social and psychological handicaps imposed by such scarring episodes of violence?

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12:44:08 cads: it is perhaps true that if society accepted it the negative impact per rape victim would go down, but the net effect would be negative almost surely, since the new rape-rate equilibrium would be immense

12:44:34 cads: and yet still probably cheaper than the loss due to marketing and irrational consumerism, hah.

12:44:46 mircea_popescu: indeed.

12:44:54 mircea_popescu: i am not arguing rape is good

12:45:00 mircea_popescu: i am arguing rape is bad and marketing is way worse.

12:45:14 kakobrekla: seriously argentina?

12:45:41 cads: also rape can be good if she asks for it in that certain way :)

12:45:56 cads: but that's hardly rape, however much it may attempt to simulate it

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12:49:47 cads: hehe, I dunno if that constituted rape though

12:50:30 cads: certainly the men felt that the would not have to answer to rape charges due to the nature of the sex play situation, and she never filed charges, and seems to have chalked it up as "just one of those things"

12:50:55 kakobrekla: does she still want to be tied up?

12:51:17 cads: hehe, lovely girl, and a smart mathematician, the best tit's I've ever... kakobrekla yes

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12:51:30 cads: but she's getting married now, sadly :D

12:51:44 kakobrekla: not so smart mathematitican then

12:52:01 cads: haha, if you were a mathematician you'd know just how stupid we are

12:53:07 cads: I once spent 5 hours arguing with her that transfinite ordinals are no obviously inconsistent, against her objections

12:53:38 cads: and then we went to bed, and the next morning she was up proving the basic properties of transfinite ordinals

12:53:52 kakobrekla: hehe

12:54:09 cads: and had made me pankakes and written "you were right" in whipped cream

12:55:08 cads: the _only_ argument I ever 'won', that girl was stubborn

12:55:25 mircea_popescu: titican lol

12:55:54 kakobrekla: lol

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12:56:24 mircea_popescu: cads http://polimedia.us/fraudsters/2010/nsfw-mosu-cu-joarda/

12:56:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8445 @ 0.0006992 = 5.9047 BTC [+]

12:56:28 mircea_popescu: there, no rope needed.

12:56:40 kakobrekla: also learn to skim read

12:57:35 assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 4 @ 0.385 = 1.54 BTC [+]

12:57:54 mircea_popescu: anyway, so did she ever find the aleph-one ?

12:59:02 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.25 BTC [+]

12:59:22 cads: mircea_popescu: yeah, his name is shawn, and they're pretty perfect for each other - each as stubborn as the day is long

12:59:30 mircea_popescu: nono

12:59:44 mircea_popescu: i mean, the intermediate cardinal

13:00:00 mircea_popescu: between naturals and reals.

13:00:12 cads: haha, we never did talk about the continuum hypothesis

13:00:29 mircea_popescu: but that'd have been the end of your debate

13:00:39 mircea_popescu: here, there's an extra infinite.

13:02:40 cads: we got to isomorphism classes between ordered set, and I tried at long length to motivate that the real numbers were not countable, and she kept coming up with silly schemes to try to count them, because to her, at the time, it was absolutely absurd for there two be two infinite sets with qualitatively different amounts of infiniteness

13:02:54 mircea_popescu: um

13:03:04 mircea_popescu: that's easily provable tho neh ? cantor's countability trick

13:03:19 mircea_popescu: sort out all the numbers then show you can make one which is distinct from each on a different digit

13:03:48 mircea_popescu: by "easily provable" i mean easily showable to the intuitive approach

13:04:08 cads: yep, suppose that C_k : N -> R is a counting of the real numbers, then there exists a number x_k such that x_k is not in the image of C_k

13:04:54 cads: x_k is easy to construct for any possible C_k

13:04:58 mircea_popescu: ya but it helps if you actually list them out

13:05:00 mircea_popescu: but anyway

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13:06:56 mircea_popescu: alternatively of course, she could have proven the continuum, thus proving frankel set theory incorrect,which is also good enough

13:07:08 mircea_popescu: either way, either by producing a counter example or by actually showing the hyptothesis to be correct

13:07:21 mircea_popescu: and by incorrect i mean inconsistenty

13:09:08 cads: it was strange, like a cognitive blindspot - I tried what you suggest, and a few other approaches that I invented just during that conversation (which have been useful in similar situation). I lost a lot of faith in her as a mathematician, but regained it in the morning - she was chattering like a bluejay about how she now sees why she was wrong in her reasoning and why I was right: her intuition was that you can't just infinitely exte

13:09:08 cads: nd C_k to C_k', and for some reason just wasn't getting that _forall_ C_k there is an x_k, and that even any C_k' that she could concoct would also have its own fatal x_k'.

13:10:01 mircea_popescu: lol

13:10:03 cads: mircea_popescu: now wouldn't that have been a sight? two stoned college math students, disproving ZFC

13:10:07 mircea_popescu: freud would have been happy

13:10:11 mircea_popescu: "see ? woman brain!"

13:10:16 mircea_popescu: schopenhauer even happier.

13:10:21 mircea_popescu: in his gloomy way.

13:12:38 cads: to her credit, her area was in the statistics of neuronal bursting in biological neural networks, and for some god awful reason, basic logic courses at our university do _not_ adequately introduce foundational issues such as ordinals or even set theory as an axiomatic topic

13:12:59 mircea_popescu: anyway, it is my considered opinion (along with, i wager, most everyone else's) that positively the ONLY way that's getting show to be inconsistent is

13:13:12 mircea_popescu: by some intoxicated kids during having sex or somesuch

13:13:16 mircea_popescu: everything else was tried to death.

13:13:55 cads: it's like, naive set theory without talking about the axiom of choice, or the axiom of infinity, or the implications.. part of the reason I recently dropped out - if this is what the undergraduate math degree means here, I'm not interested in it

13:14:14 cads: mircea_popescu: haha, you may be on to something

13:15:08 cads: maybe she was on to the truth and I squelched her breakthrough!

13:15:17 mircea_popescu: feelbad.gif

13:17:18 cads: I stopped hanging out with her to get sober and start hanging out with a vocalist/painter, and then a year later I found she's engaged - I wonder if she knows I still have sentiment.. it's not something I thought I had

13:17:32 mircea_popescu: well did you tell her ?

13:20:42 cads: not at the time, and not since I heard she was settling down - I was muddled up back then, and more recently I figured she has a chance at happiness with her guy, and have wished that to her.

13:21:01 zebedee_: Chaaang-Noi: I'll buy some THB from you for BTC if you're in a bad way.

13:21:08 mircea_popescu: stop being such a fag and tell the girl.

13:21:19 zebedee_: Gotta pay for my fun somehow.

13:22:02 cads: It's not a longing sentiment, since we had our issues, and she's still a toker, and I still am sober, thought you're probably right, it would not hurt her to know that I marvel and take joy in the high points of our relationship

13:22:36 mircea_popescu: for the record, i never met a sane mathematician who was any good.

13:22:51 mircea_popescu: if you had a business head on your shoulders as good as mine, you'd start a special slush fgund about now

13:23:17 mircea_popescu: and when her current relationship implodes you can bridge her for half a year on rent and food while she sucks your cock and figures out what next.

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13:23:38 cads: brilliant strategery

13:24:42 mircea_popescu: you can even tell her this when it happens and she's all confused, "honey... here's a chatlog"

13:25:29 mircea_popescu: zebedee_ pix ?

13:26:47 cads: you're talking to someone that just a year ago found the idea of leverage very exotic, and just 6 months ago was aghast to find out that his financial position has sickeningly leveraged re. his student loans, and decided to put his schooling on panic crash

13:27:04 cads: haha, for me to set aside a slush fund just for women, now that would be bold

13:27:52 mircea_popescu: lol well... not ghood ideas are practical.

13:27:56 cads: but not hard at all, and a fun exercise in personal wealth management

13:29:33 zebedee_: pix? Meeting Goat on Tuesday.

13:29:50 zebedee_: Nothing wrong with enjoying getting tied up. I like both ends myself.

13:32:58 zebedee_: http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7046/6855106703_844f08ffbd_z.jpg I've had shibari lessons from this dude.

13:33:59 mircea_popescu: i never took lessosn

13:34:13 zebedee_: Definitely helps; Japanese are the best IMO.

13:34:37 mircea_popescu: helps what tho ?

13:35:05 zebedee_: There's skill in a) safety (quick release, avoiding pressure in bad areas etc). and b) aesthetics

13:35:27 zebedee_: I've seen others and there's a lot lacking, to my eyes at least.

13:35:43 mircea_popescu: safety is unrelated tho, it's just a study of anatomy. can learn it a thousand different ways.

13:35:51 mircea_popescu: and i guess my motivation is not aesthetical.

13:36:05 mircea_popescu: or if it is, it's personal rather than cultural. i couldn't care less what some japanese dude finds beautiful.

13:37:34 Chaaang-Noi: zebedee_ im not in a bad way but i could buy some thai baht, you in thailand?

13:37:50 zebedee_: Oh I thought you had too many. I don't have any.

13:38:02 zebedee_: Will be on Tuesday as discussed.

13:38:16 Chaaang-Noi: oh right, sorry, did not even register :)

13:38:20 zebedee_: lol

13:38:32 zebedee_: You wanna sell THB? If not I'll just dump some JPY notes.

13:38:39 Chaaang-Noi: some guy wants to meet me to sell 30,000 thai baht for btc wheni go

13:39:06 Chaaang-Noi: you want to buy more btc

13:39:07 Chaaang-Noi: ?

13:39:21 zebedee_: No I want THB. I'm indifferent to dropping some BTC or JPY.

13:39:25 Chaaang-Noi: oh right, sorry, i did not read that collectly

13:39:35 zebedee_: If you want to sell THB then I'll buy some off you. If you don't it's cool.

13:39:51 Chaaang-Noi: yeah ill sell you thai baht

13:39:58 Chaaang-Noi: how much are you looking for?

13:40:17 zebedee_: OK. About $1k equivalent, so perhaps 30k THB.

13:40:24 Chaaang-Noi: yeah thats cool

13:40:49 Chaaang-Noi: there is a guy who is going to meet me in bkk with 30,000 thb to buy btc so this should work out perfectly

13:40:53 zebedee_: OK. Let's call it 25k for now.

13:40:58 Chaaang-Noi: yeah thats fine

13:41:02 Chaaang-Noi: im easy

13:41:03 zebedee_: Nice.

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13:42:33 Chaaang-Noi: ill have cash on hand even if thqat other guy does not show

13:42:43 Chaaang-Noi: he has not responced once i confirmed the dats

13:42:45 Chaaang-Noi: dates

13:42:52 zebedee_: OK, done.

13:43:02 Chaaang-Noi: cool

13:43:04 zebedee_: I'll have them on my phone.

13:43:17 Chaaang-Noi: you can send to my laptop?

13:43:33 zebedee_: Of course; I send to a BTC address :)

13:43:47 Chaaang-Noi: i can send you an address before hand but dont send until we meet and i show you the cash

13:43:59 zebedee_: Sure that's not a problem.

13:44:03 Chaaang-Noi: its crazy sending in advance

13:44:14 Chaaang-Noi: you hear about that finish guy? wired me 2.65 million baht

13:44:18 zebedee_: I was assuming you'd show me a QR on your mobile, but whatever.

13:44:22 Chaaang-Noi: still has not asked for his btc

13:44:30 Chaaang-Noi: yeah i dont trust phones

13:44:31 zebedee_: Yeah; that's why I thought you had too many THB.

13:44:41 zebedee_: I can understand that.

13:45:03 Chaaang-Noi: iv used them just to try it out, but id rather just use the laptob

13:45:09 Chaaang-Noi: tob

13:45:11 zebedee_: No probs.

13:45:11 Chaaang-Noi: fuck

13:45:15 Chaaang-Noi: sorry, had a few beers

13:45:20 Chaaang-Noi: cant type

13:45:41 Chaaang-Noi: we are moving and giving away a lot of our extra furniture and stuff to the cambodian migrant workers here

13:45:48 Chaaang-Noi: and well, cant work with out beer :)

13:46:02 zebedee_: Which part of Thailand do you live in?

13:46:20 cads: mircea_popescu, I think you've inspired me to put a beginning of a story on my (currently nearly empty) blog.

13:46:49 mircea_popescu: cool.

13:46:55 cads: it will be far grittier than yours, just a start to a possible tale of intrigue

13:47:53 Chaaang-Noi: i live near koh chang

13:47:57 Chaaang-Noi: near the cambo boarder

13:48:04 Chaaang-Noi: lots of fruit orchirds here

13:48:07 Chaaang-Noi: so lots of workers

13:48:12 zebedee_: Ah right. I was in Siam Reap in November.

13:48:18 Chaaang-Noi: cool

13:48:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1500 @ 0.0006992 = 1.0488 BTC [+]

13:49:00 Chaaang-Noi: hey that guy just contacted me

13:49:19 Chaaang-Noi: should i invite him to nana? i honestly know almost nothing about him so i dont know if he is cool or not

13:49:26 Chaaang-Noi: he is new to btc

13:49:31 Chaaang-Noi: but seems to live in bkk

13:49:39 zebedee_: Up to you.

13:49:52 zebedee_: You seem to be not too far from Koh Samet - I was there in Feb!

13:50:21 Chaaang-Noi: yeah, im more east

13:51:41 thestringpuller: ;;calc 6.07*1.12

13:51:41 gribble: 6.7984

13:51:54 Chaaang-Noi: anyway i gota go afk for a bit, bbl peace

13:52:00 zebedee_: ttyl

13:55:45 zebedee_: mircea_popescu: What languages do you speak?

13:56:23 mircea_popescu: a few, why ?

13:56:31 zebedee_: Just curious.

13:56:42 zebedee_: Your English is v. good. Wondering how you learnt.

13:57:28 mircea_popescu: you learn languages from women, is my experience.

13:57:50 zebedee_: Lol. It's why I learnt Japanese at least.

13:59:01 mircea_popescu: yeah/. they call it "mother's tongue", but it's not really that special.

14:07:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2828 @ 0.003388 = 9.5813 BTC [+]

14:07:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 143 @ 0.00338999 = 0.4848 BTC [+]

14:11:48 zebedee_: What software creates those weird comments in blogs that are something like "[...] some words or other [...]" with the square brackets? What's that all about?

14:14:39 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2499 BTC [-]

14:14:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13867 @ 0.0006992 = 9.6958 BTC [+]

14:15:31 Chaaang-Noi: mp i learned thai froom women

14:15:36 Chaaang-Noi: never used a book

14:16:40 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.249999 = 5 BTC [+]

14:17:59 mircea_popescu: yeah.

14:21:40 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.24999 BTC [-]

14:28:59 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.24999 BTC [-]

14:29:10 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.249999 = 2.5 BTC [+]

14:40:06 assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 13 @ 0.0126 = 0.1638 BTC [+]

14:46:05 assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 5 @ 0.00165 = 0.0083 BTC [-]

14:46:15 assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 8 @ 0.0016 = 0.0128 BTC [-]

14:47:07 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.25 = 2.5 BTC [+]

14:56:25 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.244 BTC [-]

14:56:28 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.243 BTC [-]

14:56:32 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.24 BTC [-]

15:02:27 assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 994 @ 0.01003 = 9.9698 BTC [+]

15:08:23 Chaaang-Noi: i have the urge to smoke some weed, have not done so in years, odd

15:08:31 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 11 @ 1.268999 = 13.959 BTC [+]

15:08:33 copumpkin: that sounds dangerous in thailand

15:09:03 copumpkin: I accidentally smoked a bit in Budapest

15:09:08 copumpkin: and found out that it's a big no-no

15:10:07 copumpkin: I crossed the Hungary/Croatia border with a little bit of weed and that's apparently a big source of international tension with Hungary, because Hungary is super hardcore about drugs and will throw you in jail for 15 years without a trial for 5, and quite a few foreigners are in that situation

15:16:01 Chaaang-Noi: using drugs in thailand is fine

15:16:07 Chaaang-Noi: selling or traficing is a big no no

15:16:19 copumpkin: ah, okay

15:16:19 Chaaang-Noi: the police and army sell and trafic here so its harsh punsihment

15:16:28 Chaaang-Noi: however they dont care if you buy and use their products

15:16:32 copumpkin: for competing with them? :P

15:16:43 Chaaang-Noi: yeah, they will kill you on site if you are thai

15:16:48 Chaaang-Noi: no shit

15:16:49 copumpkin: wow

15:17:01 Chaaang-Noi: if you are not paying the right guy you are good as dead if caught

15:17:12 Chaaang-Noi: if not dead then 15 years in jail or so

15:17:25 Chaaang-Noi: buying your way out is millions of baht

15:17:57 Chaaang-Noi: but really a farang smoking a joint, they dont give a fuck

15:18:12 Chaaang-Noi: now meth is becoming an issue here, as it leads to crime

15:18:17 Chaaang-Noi: so they are cracking down on meth

15:18:24 Chaaang-Noi: people get hooked then steal shit

15:18:31 assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 18 @ 0.003279 = 0.059 BTC [+]

15:18:32 Chaaang-Noi: with opium or weed, they dont give a fuck

15:18:43 copumpkin: ah

15:18:53 copumpkin: how about shrooms/acid/the weirder crap?

15:19:15 Chaaang-Noi: yeah thats fine, but you ahve to get it in tourist areas, and the dealers are paying the cops for sure (or they wont last)

15:19:45 assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 2 @ 0.003279 = 0.0066 BTC [+]

15:19:52 Chaaang-Noi: thais done use that stuff

15:20:15 Chaaang-Noi: really the thais mostly use "yaa baa" or meth

15:20:43 Chaaang-Noi: coke is rally high here (far from the source)

15:20:50 Chaaang-Noi: h is cheap as fuck as is opium

15:21:18 Chaaang-Noi: weed too

15:21:23 Chaaang-Noi: but its mostly wild

15:21:32 Chaaang-Noi: not as good as the high end stuff you get in the usa

15:22:21 Chaaang-Noi: <copumpkin> I accidentally smoked a bit in Budapest

15:22:26 Chaaang-Noi: how do you accidently smoke?

15:22:39 copumpkin: oh I meant that had I known how harsh their laws were, I wouldn't have dreamt of doing that

15:22:47 assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 3 @ 0.000698 = 0.0021 BTC [+]

15:22:47 copumpkin: or even bringing any into hungary

15:22:52 Chaaang-Noi: ahh

15:23:02 Chaaang-Noi: i dont cross boarders with it, never never never

15:23:04 copumpkin: it was just the end of a little baggie I had with me while traveling around europe

15:23:08 copumpkin: lol, did lots of that

15:23:18 copumpkin: but hungary is particularly bad

15:23:24 copumpkin: should've just finished it off in croatia

15:23:49 copumpkin: I bought it legally in amsterdam, had most of it, and then forgot about it until I got to slovenia

15:24:05 Chaaang-Noi: i want to travel europe like that

15:24:12 copumpkin: I got one of those rail passes

15:24:14 copumpkin: it was great

15:24:22 Chaaang-Noi: i dont know anyone to go with

15:24:27 copumpkin: very spontaneous travel with my gf for over a month

15:24:38 Chaaang-Noi: yeah that would be cool

15:24:38 copumpkin: we'd just say "oh, that train looks cool" and hop on

15:24:53 Chaaang-Noi: but my wife will have a hard time getting visa i bet cuz she is thai

15:25:08 copumpkin: yeah :/ it might still be possible, not sure how hard

15:25:15 Chaaang-Noi: yeah

15:25:16 copumpkin: lots of foreigners get those rail passes

15:25:24 copumpkin: they actually have different ones for non-EU citizens

15:25:44 copumpkin: annoyingly different price structures but not significantly different levels

15:25:50 Chaaang-Noi: money would not be the issue, it would be the visas

15:25:56 copumpkin: so I had to buy a new pass in the middle of the trip because I got the EU one

15:26:04 Chaaang-Noi: oh that sucks

15:26:20 copumpkin: yeah, not terrible though

15:26:29 copumpkin: anyway, definitely recommended

15:26:38 copumpkin: some countries are more annoying about letting you use it, but it was still mostly a win

15:26:50 Chaaang-Noi: id love to do it, but think it would suck if i did it alone

15:27:08 copumpkin: I'm not sure it would suck, but if you have a SO it would be kind of weird not to do it with them :)

15:27:23 copumpkin: I think traveling alone and meeting cool people in hostels is also fun

15:27:47 Chaaang-Noi: im not as out going as you might think :)

15:27:57 copumpkin: :P

15:28:17 Chaaang-Noi: very content in my basement on irc :)

15:28:53 Chaaang-Noi: if i did the euope thing or whever im sure id hook up with a local girl

15:29:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 1.465 BTC [+]

15:29:07 Chaaang-Noi: and then travel, or id have a bad time

15:29:26 Chaaang-Noi: big plans for cinco de mayo?

15:40:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 97 @ 0.00338999 = 0.3288 BTC [+]

15:42:56 assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 17 @ 0.00143 = 0.0243 BTC [+]

15:43:07 assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.00144 BTC [+]

15:43:18 assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 625 @ 0.0016 = 1 BTC [+]

15:43:25 assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 50 @ 0.001646 = 0.0823 BTC [+]

15:43:36 assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 307 @ 0.001647 = 0.5056 BTC [+]

15:44:36 assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 21 @ 0.001647 = 0.0346 BTC [+]

15:44:40 assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 53 @ 0.001648 = 0.0873 BTC [+]

15:44:52 assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 5 @ 0.001659 = 0.0083 BTC [+]

15:44:58 assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 5 @ 0.001679 = 0.0084 BTC [+]

15:45:17 assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 5 @ 0.001699 = 0.0085 BTC [+]

15:45:28 assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 5 @ 0.00172 = 0.0086 BTC [+]

15:52:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15550 @ 0.0006992 = 10.8726 BTC [+]

15:53:59 Chaaang-Noi: * copumpkin fucks Chaang-Noi

15:54:07 Chaaang-Noi: that casued some lulz this morning :)

15:54:15 Chaaang-Noi: mp was like wtf!

15:54:21 copumpkin: :)

15:54:30 Chaaang-Noi: cuz i said "good morning"

15:54:59 kakobrekla: mornin

15:55:14 Chaaang-Noi: :)

15:55:50 assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.01003 BTC [+]

15:57:04 assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.0101 BTC [+]

16:02:11 ardeay_: ;;ticker

16:02:12 gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 114.90000, Best ask: 115.33333, Bid-ask spread: 0.43333, Last trade: 115.43210, 24 hour volume: 103063.96248364, 24 hour low: 107.00000, 24 hour high: 118.85000, 24 hour vwap: 112.75249

16:04:11 cads: haha, copumpkin I never knew you partoked

16:04:21 copumpkin: :P

16:04:45 assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.012501 = 0.025 BTC [-]

16:04:50 assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 48 @ 0.0125 = 0.6 BTC [-]

16:05:26 cads: not that it's of any consequence (I had to quit, but I don't judge)

16:05:46 cads: also, cool you see you here

16:06:05 copumpkin: I've never actually done it in the US

16:06:18 copumpkin: I could, since my job doesn't check, but not particularly interested

16:10:41 cads: hmm, am I right to remember that last we talked ( a couple years ago) you were a grad student in midwest university?

16:11:12 copumpkin: nah, I was in a new england university :) but I quit my phd and moved on

16:11:19 copumpkin: but yeah, we did speak about it

16:11:37 cads: I remember I was writing my college application, and you gave me your encouragement

16:11:45 copumpkin: yup :)

16:11:48 copumpkin: going well?

16:11:53 mircea_popescu: he flunked

16:11:57 kakobrekla: o irc reunion?

16:14:15 cads: copumpkin: classes were boring. Substance abuse got unmanageable, and my debt was insane. I'm taking a year or two off to work on my sobriety, to work my same old job as a machinist and deleverage my debt a bit, and to wait and see what happens with higher education.

16:14:37 copumpkin: ah, sorry to hear that

16:15:08 mircea_popescu: da fuck this is the first time i hear someone say that.

16:15:16 mircea_popescu: what were you abusing ?

16:15:25 cads: just pot and alcohol

16:15:41 mircea_popescu: hm

16:15:59 mircea_popescu: ok, that i did hear.

16:16:28 tiberiusiv: ;;asks 50

16:16:30 mircea_popescu: still waiting for the speed freak going "well it was getting unmanageable so i'm taking a year off to deleverage and see what happens"

16:16:31 gribble: There are currently 0 bitcoins offered at or under 50.0 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0068 seconds

16:16:35 tiberiusiv: ;;bids 50

16:16:35 gribble: There are currently 166245.52 bitcoins demanded at or over 50.0 USD, worth 13301613.3048 USD in total. | Data vintage: 4.3633 seconds

16:16:40 tiberiusiv: ;;asks 200

16:16:41 gribble: There are currently 112560.13 bitcoins offered at or under 200.0 USD, worth 16843994.4159 USD in total. | Data vintage: 9.8288 seconds

16:19:23 assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.19499 BTC [-]

16:19:45 assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 3 @ 0.195 = 0.585 BTC [+]

16:20:08 assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.19799 BTC [+]

16:20:16 cads: mircea_popescu: I don't mind talking about my substance problem - I'm amazed and embarrased - I kicked speed and heroin to the curb back in 2007, but I thought pot and booze were fine. It's shameful that those brought me lower than anything else has. It's... refreshing to finally be in a spot where I can say _no_ drug is _ever_ going to be a good

16:20:25 cads: a good investment*

16:20:31 tiberiusiv: ??seen bugpowder

16:20:56 tiberiusiv: cads: so you admit to being a loser

16:21:06 mircea_popescu: well um... drugs aren't investments are they

16:21:37 cads: mircea_popescu: I share mostly because from time to time people hear my story, and ask me about how they can get clean

16:21:52 cads: tiberiusiv: absolutely :)

16:22:14 tiberiusiv: why would people want to hear about a loser

16:22:17 cads: tiberiusiv: it's not something I could address till I admitted, basically

16:22:18 tiberiusiv: we only like winners in here

16:22:32 cads: tiberiusiv: you may of course ignore all I have to say

16:22:38 tiberiusiv: cads sorry you arent motivational.

16:22:55 cads: tiberiusiv: and you are not someone that needs to hear what I have to say

16:23:09 benkay: trolling 12-steppers is the lowest

16:23:11 tiberiusiv: what country are you from

16:23:12 jurov: cads, no need to argue with tibby, just ignore him

16:23:13 kakobrekla: cads dont mind local trolls

16:23:25 cads: tiberius, and if that's true, then I salute you

16:23:43 tiberiusiv: i love how ex junkies think people want to listen to them

16:23:46 mircea_popescu: did tiberiusiv win the substance abusing competition too ?

16:23:52 mircea_popescu: is he like real badass ?

16:24:00 tiberiusiv: quiet gypsy

16:24:06 benkay: what's that trophy like?

16:24:34 cads: jurov, kakobrekla, you know, the 5th level of troll-fu is trolling the trolls with pure detachment ;)

16:24:54 jurov: cads, i tried

16:25:01 jurov: but i know when to stop

16:25:08 cads: jurov, I'm not there yet, lol

16:25:11 jurov: not sure aobut you (pun intended)

16:25:25 jurov: ;)

16:25:43 mircea_popescu: benkay perhaps this : http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/136752522555.jpg in bronze.

16:26:56 tiberiusiv: cads: where were you getting the funds to buy drugs anyway

16:27:10 tiberiusiv: the junkie usually runs out of $ before he kills himself with an addiction

16:29:23 cads: I mean, you think I'll continue talking to you if I can expect ridicule and if even your contemporaries call you a troll?

16:29:33 cads: Hah.

16:29:46 Chaaang-Noi: tiberslav new lows today i see

16:29:50 Chaaang-Noi: you need help

16:29:59 cads: You can apologize and recover your position or else wither.

16:30:00 Chaaang-Noi: maybe cads can set you right

16:30:17 tiberiusiv: apologize to a loser?

16:30:19 tiberiusiv: for what

16:30:38 tiberiusiv: ex junkies love to think they are some type of celebrity after

16:30:44 tiberiusiv: "sharing" their experience and story.

16:30:51 tiberiusiv: why dont you share stories of cool shit instead.

16:30:54 Chaaang-Noi: dude i share all sorts of shit

16:31:03 tiberiusiv: yea your fine

16:31:09 Chaaang-Noi: hell im smoking and drinking now

16:31:10 kakobrekla: how about not sharing your complaints tib

16:31:20 kakobrekla: rute them t dev/null

16:31:24 kakobrekla: to

16:31:33 Chaaang-Noi: tiberslav feels the needs to share everything he gets upset about like some little girl

16:31:51 Chaaang-Noi: drama queen tiberslav is

16:31:57 Chaaang-Noi: all about tiberslav needs to be the center

16:32:00 tiberiusiv: just saying, EVERY junkie always wants to be a inspirational speaker. its like they accomplished something worth sharing

16:32:11 kakobrekla: cool you have said it move on.

16:32:22 benkay: mircea_popescu: i think this might work as well: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/96/pwnedk.jpg/?sa=0

16:33:05 assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.01255 BTC [+]

16:34:01 kakobrekla: !l m s.dice

16:34:01 assbot: Last trade for S.DICE on MPEX was at 0.00338999 BTC [+]

16:34:28 mircea_popescu: lol

16:35:23 mircea_popescu: there's all these liberals in my twitter feed wtf.

16:35:35 Chaaang-Noi: its twitter

16:35:39 Chaaang-Noi: what did you expect?

16:35:50 Chaaang-Noi: crypto anarchists?

16:35:50 benkay: the new social internet thrives on putting shit in front of you to raise your blood pressure

16:35:52 mircea_popescu: well i hope they butthurt well.

16:36:34 kakobrekla: no Chaaang-Noi, those are on facebook

16:37:08 cads: mircea_popescu: they're in your feed? or following you?

16:37:13 benkay: why are the crypto anarchists on facebook

16:37:28 benkay: actually i know the answer to that

16:37:35 mircea_popescu: cads in my feed

16:38:20 cads: mircea_popescu: if they were following you, you could make a game of offending them so greatly they unfollow you (and it would be fairly easy to analyze who unfollowed you, and what triggered it, lol)

16:38:30 mircea_popescu: In 2000, economist and former U.S. Treasury Secretary Lawrence Summers became president of Harvard. Soon after, Summers held a private meeting with West, where he reportedly rebuked West for missing too many classes, contributing to grade inflation, neglecting serious scholarship, and spending too much time on his economically profitable projects. Summers reportedly suggested that West produce an academic book befittin

16:38:30 mircea_popescu: g his professorial position, as his recent output had consisted primarily of co-written and edited volumes. According to some reports, Summers also objected to West's production of a CD, the critically panned Sketches of My Culture, and to his political campaigning, including an alleged three weeks to promote Bill Bradley's presidential campaign.

16:38:45 mircea_popescu: black guy of no academic value whatsoever gets told off by harvard president

16:39:02 mircea_popescu: harvard president is forced to step down within a year over having said women are maybe not quite as smart as men

16:39:20 cads: mircea_popescu: I have the same issue - I followed a bunch of people because they said something cool once or twice about category theory, haskell, or 3d printing, and the rest is all stuff about how their cat is awesome

16:39:37 mircea_popescu: cads this is worse, it's all retweets of dumb shit.

16:39:52 mircea_popescu: like how some adjuncts at some podunk uni should be paid or whatever nonsense

16:40:21 cads: the only twitter people I actually care to follow are dead authors - @kurt_vonnegut, mostly

16:40:26 tiberiusiv: twitters just another fad

16:40:44 mircea_popescu: i'd never follow something like that.

16:40:52 kakobrekla: tiberiusiv, get the sand out of your vagina pls

16:40:54 mircea_popescu: who is writing it and why are they using some brand

16:40:54 tiberiusiv: filled with twits who use it

16:41:09 benkay: +1

16:41:10 tiberiusiv: hence the name

16:41:15 benkay: degredation in service

16:41:34 cads: benkay: is that so?

16:42:05 cads: it's like "hmm people are still saying mostly pointless things"

16:42:09 tiberiusiv: cads do you need the link to silkroad btw?

16:42:22 kakobrekla: tib has it handy.

16:42:35 tiberiusiv: just making sure hes up to date

16:42:40 benkay: cads: it's a step backwards for the whole internet.

16:42:53 cads: kakobrekla: is tiberiusiv still talking :D

16:43:04 kakobrekla: cads fuck yea

16:43:19 tiberiusiv: facebook with 2billion or whatever users

16:43:19 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla scam. i see nothing.

16:43:23 tiberiusiv: can barely make a decent profit

16:43:35 kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2013&display=show#16891

16:43:35 tiberiusiv: twitters in the same boat

16:43:36 kakobrekla: thar

16:43:41 kakobrekla: also inception now.

16:43:58 assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 2 @ 0.108899 = 0.2178 BTC [+]

16:44:05 benkay: when did the log go live?!

16:44:13 mircea_popescu: benkay i actually announced it yest

16:44:21 kakobrekla: shadap

16:44:22 mircea_popescu: but you weren't paying attention!!1111!

16:44:31 benkay: moar exclamation points plz

16:44:40 kakobrekla: 11

16:44:45 benkay: hey u

16:44:52 benkay: that's not what i assed for

16:44:58 benkay: anyways thanks to all involved

16:45:02 kakobrekla: eleven

16:45:04 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=195110.msg2035668#msg2035668

16:45:07 mircea_popescu: fucking forum tards

16:45:08 benkay: this will make it vastly easier to pay attention

16:45:15 mircea_popescu: girl spells it with an o. his own fucking link spells it with an o

16:45:18 mircea_popescu: he spells it with an a

16:45:26 mircea_popescu: WHERE DO THESE PEOPEL GO TO SCHOAL

16:45:48 mircea_popescu: jajovregla : that's not what he assed for!

16:46:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 6 @ 1.9102 = 11.4612 BTC [-]

16:46:52 cads: kakobrekla: haha, cooool

16:47:04 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.25 = 2.5 BTC [-]

16:47:23 kakobrekla: lmao

16:47:27 cads: hah, that's uncanny

16:47:41 cads: incpetion.. "we have to go deeper!"

16:47:56 kakobrekla: seems like /me's are skipped

16:48:04 kakobrekla: maybe ill fix it

16:48:05 kakobrekla: maybe i wont

16:48:14 cads: what script are you using?

16:48:14 mircea_popescu: mandatory utube link

16:48:29 cads: kakobrekla: I might need that capability for one of my chat channels

16:48:34 kakobrekla: no script

16:48:36 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jbahu90GXU

16:48:37 kakobrekla: a few lines of code

16:49:03 cads: kako, would you mind zapping them to me?

16:49:55 cads: hehe, truly I am a lazy developer (I know full well that there have got to be turn key solutions for chat logging, already)

16:50:13 kakobrekla: i dunno if its much use to you really ... unless i give you assbot too ya know

16:50:30 kakobrekla: well i searched for a premade solutions

16:50:33 kakobrekla: for about 5 min

16:50:36 kakobrekla: then coded my own

16:50:46 benkay: "maybe i'll come down! maybe I won't!"

16:50:59 kakobrekla: lol mircea_popescu

16:51:08 mircea_popescu: :D

16:51:15 kakobrekla: he had a guy here a few years back, climbed on a roof all drunk and naked

16:51:24 kakobrekla: and demanded a helicopter and a pizza with an egg

16:51:27 kakobrekla: or else he jumps

16:51:41 benkay: "don't fuck up my beer now"

16:51:55 kakobrekla: then the police took him down and they had brand new car and couldnt oper the back door

16:52:00 kakobrekla: twas a van accually

16:52:12 mircea_popescu: lol

16:52:13 kakobrekla: the guy ended up driving in the front among the cops, naked

16:52:18 mircea_popescu: ahahaha

16:52:26 mircea_popescu: with a hardon ?

16:52:29 cads: class :)

16:52:29 kakobrekla: lol

16:52:33 benkay: fearboner

16:52:35 kakobrekla: i dont remember seeing that

16:52:57 cads: kakobrekla: this sounds like a story from a former soviet state :D

16:53:07 kakobrekla: naw its somalia

16:53:11 mircea_popescu: actually the town here starting hireing local police and it was mostly chicks. on like, high heels and shit.

16:53:12 jurov: kakobrekla i have older logs for sale... almost uninterrupted since last september or so ;)

16:53:18 mircea_popescu: i got a bj once just on the strength of asking

16:53:24 mircea_popescu: local police is pretty cool.

16:53:36 kakobrekla: cads, slovenia really (dont want you get too confused)

16:54:17 kakobrekla: jurov i have longs since day 1 prolly

16:54:25 kakobrekla: but they are all messed up

16:54:29 kakobrekla: so fuck it

16:54:58 jurov: maybe i can unmess some logs in exchange for fucking

16:55:07 kakobrekla: khm.

16:55:18 kakobrekla: who does who?

16:55:26 jurov: i'm versatile

16:55:49 jurov: let's try both, what feels better

16:56:04 kakobrekla: hehe

16:56:17 kakobrekla: speaking of i heard that there isnt much fuckin among man gay community

16:56:39 kakobrekla: mostly oral?

16:56:49 jurov: where u heard? in church?

16:57:13 kakobrekla: orkaa [on this chan] has lots of gay friends and he did a pool

16:57:28 kakobrekla: poll

16:57:34 kakobrekla: maybe he did a pool too

16:57:47 cads: hmm, It's an interesting problem. Given some number k of incomplete logs, collected by different people, with different latencies, and hence different orders of message arrival in general, how do you fuse the logs into a single log that has more accurate information?

16:57:48 jurov: actually pool might work better

16:58:34 cads: if k is a large number, you can try to find voting blocs - groups of logs that agree on the same history

16:58:42 kakobrekla: cads you disregard accuaracy and thats it

16:59:09 kakobrekla: also disregard my grammer skillz

16:59:19 jurov: cads ask freenode to give you millisecond-precision data

16:59:47 cads: you think they log the channels?

17:00:25 kakobrekla: nah

17:00:38 jurov: i'm rather joking, likely not

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17:02:03 benkay: $avg

17:02:03 cads: in any case, the full problem is an interesting problem in the logging literature and in the AI literature - given some collection of possibly contradictory logs, process them into a single, more trustworthy digest log

17:02:03 mpexbot: benkay: 112.70

17:02:04 jurov: sigh. am wasting time, should be fixing minor mess here instead

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17:02:38 cads: the problem of combing two chatlogs taken from different view points is a much simpler instance of that general problem.

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17:03:44 cads: hehe, and it's totally unreasonable to apply those techniques, when there'd be nothing to gain that grepping through the collected chatlog as they are would not do just as well, hah

17:03:59 benkay: ;;ticker

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17:05:24 mircea_popescu: <jurov> where u heard? in church? << epic.

17:05:45 mircea_popescu: but jurov, seriously : in a household of three women i fuck each maybe once or twice a week

17:05:50 mircea_popescu: and in the ass once a month or less

17:06:06 mircea_popescu: i imagine they'd be pretty sore if the holes were reversed

17:11:20 jurov: oka, i did no research and seems i had luck on guys that don't think very highly on oral

17:11:29 jurov: "sore? yeah, get used to it"

17:11:59 mircea_popescu: i c

17:21:08 Chaaang-Noi: off to get a massage, night all

17:22:24 tiberiusiv: later gook

17:22:53 Chaaang-Noi: you really are slow arnt you tiberslav? :)

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17:23:07 Chaaang-Noi: anyway have a good one, try not to fall down and kill yourself before i get back!

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17:27:07 mircea_popescu: #bitcoin-assets, the liberal-hating trade chanel where people discuss their sexual orientation and substance history

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17:28:02 kakobrekla: you forgot philosophical masturbation

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17:28:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.25 = 0.75 BTC [-]

17:28:08 mircea_popescu: a that too yes

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17:39:28 cads: hey, any 3d printing enthusiasts in here?

17:40:19 kakobrekla: i have ~80% of cnc machine finished which im thinking i could convert to 3d printer

17:40:47 cads: oh nice, what layout?

17:41:03 cads: or make, really

17:43:38 kakobrekla: http://shrani.si/f/Z/RG/4qUD9X4i/5/dscn0196.jpg

17:43:46 kakobrekla: http://shrani.si/f/2h/tU/4D24xeIq/dscn0199.jpg

17:43:53 kakobrekla: http://shrani.si/f/20/fZ/4whyU0d2/dscn0201.jpg

17:44:49 kakobrekla: spent 5k+ on parts and a year of work (when i found the time to fiddle with it)

17:45:08 kakobrekla: then i got occupied with other stuff and its like that for like 2 years maybe more now

17:45:16 cads: https://www.xkcd.com/924/

17:45:32 cads: kakobrekla: awsome gantry

17:45:42 inhies: i have a mendel

17:45:51 inhies: thats half way through an electronics upgrade from like two years ago...

17:45:53 inhies: =/

17:46:06 kakobrekla: cads its only missing Z axis really

17:46:11 kakobrekla: the rest is done

17:46:33 kakobrekla: i could put anything on it really

17:46:37 kakobrekla: a spindle or laser or a cigar

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17:47:09 cads: kakobrekla: the "vitamins" needed to put together a 3d printer - steppers, controllers, RAMP board, and linear actuators - are only around $300. As soon as your mill is up and running with a mill head, you could fabricate the parts for a 3d printer kit fairly easily.

17:47:31 kakobrekla: i already have steppers and cotrollers and all that shit

17:47:44 kakobrekla: 12nm each btw

17:47:50 kakobrekla: overkill :)

17:48:15 kakobrekla: and there are two for x axis

17:48:19 cads: The 3dp community advises against 3d printer/mill hybrids. A mill needs torque and stiffness, while a 3d printer needs lightness and feed speeds - they use speeds that are rather shocking to people used to traditional mills

17:48:32 kakobrekla: myea

17:49:01 cads: so a mill/printer hybrid will perform poorly at least one task :D

17:49:38 kakobrekla: well i can switch the gap on the rod that steppers move

17:49:48 kakobrekla: and that changes speed/power ratio as well

17:51:28 kakobrekla: what do even rather than any of that, sell it as is

17:51:40 kakobrekla: :)

17:52:27 cads: haha, how much?

17:53:07 kakobrekla: dunno gimme an offer

17:53:12 cads: I may _need_ a gantry, but I couldn't pay more than $800 for it, and this would likely be an insult.

17:53:22 kakobrekla: lol kinda

17:53:24 kakobrekla: :)

17:53:25 cads: considering your sunk cost

17:53:36 kakobrekla: id take maybe 3k for it

17:54:34 mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> then i got occupied with other stuff and its like that for like 2 years maybe more now << i blame marketing.

17:54:47 kakobrekla: i was raped

17:55:07 cads: it's amazingly rigid looking construction - at least you have a quality product :)

17:55:22 kakobrekla: ya some pros were invlived

17:55:41 kakobrekla: such a machine finished is worth 15-20k

17:55:43 cads: I'm looking at a lower quality offering in the range of $1500, in kit form

17:56:01 mircea_popescu: so pay him in bitcoinz

17:56:04 mircea_popescu: or bitbet shares

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17:57:31 mircea_popescu: so i'm re-reading an old (romanian) article

17:57:38 mircea_popescu: and in the comments i make the following suggestion :

17:57:42 cads: kakobrekla: it needs z-fixtures and milling head?

17:57:57 mircea_popescu: some shetroll could implant christian-only eggs only to abort them 10 weeks in.

17:58:35 kakobrekla: if it werent for btc maybe id finish it

17:58:58 kakobrekla: cads yea preety much

17:59:02 cads: kakobrekla: I hope you do! What kind of ideas did you have planned for it.

17:59:08 kakobrekla: anyway i gotta jet now

17:59:11 kakobrekla: be back in 30 or so

17:59:55 cads: inhies: it seems like a lot of rep-rap grade printers end up gathering dust

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18:01:08 mircea_popescu: cads i blame marketing.

18:01:20 cads: hrm it pisses me off that the reprap community seems to be allowing large corporations to patentblock all the valuable 3DP IP

18:02:05 cads: they worked their ASSES off to make personal desktop manufacturing remotely feasible, and those high capital jackals are waiting for the market to mature so they can pounce.

18:03:27 cads: the worst part is that if you talk to the open 3dp community about setting up defensive publications, they're all like "heck naw. ain't gonna be no centralized IP control on open 3dp tech"

18:04:14 cads: or, "you have any idea how much it costs to file patents?"

18:05:09 asciilifeform: cads: the way I understand it, the main virtue of 3d printing is that you can build the thing in your basement out of junkyard parts and not give a rat's arse about patents or copyrights.

18:05:47 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if i understand agriculture correctly, the main virtue thereof is you can plant crops in your own back yard

18:05:54 mircea_popescu: and not give a rat's ass about patents or copyrights

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18:06:53 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if someone found a way to "fix" the atrociously-inefficient RuBisCO enzyme, you could feed a family on what you can grow in a flower vase.

18:06:57 cads: agricultural genetic patents are such horse shit

18:07:47 asciilifeform: if 3d printers actually were what their enthusiasts imagine them to be (a substitute for industrial production) rather than machines for churning out brittle crap, the same dynamic would apply here.

18:07:56 cads: say my crop gets contaminated by monstanto genetics from a farm up-wind

18:08:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6285 @ 0.00069741 = 4.3832 BTC [+]

18:08:06 mircea_popescu: it may surprise you to find that inefficiency is a blessing not a failure.

18:08:15 cads: I'm not liable to damages claimed by the monsanto company

18:08:30 cads: s/not/now

18:08:31 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: no surprise here. population explosion, catastrophe, etc

18:08:50 asciilifeform: re: 3d printing and whether is is actually useful: http://scottlocklin.wordpress.com/2012/08/11/bad-engineering-journalism-reporting-on-3-d-printing-of-guns/

18:08:58 mircea_popescu: anyone want to see flowering salvia ?

18:09:39 asciilifeform: a CNC mill is infinitely more useful in practice. but it doesn't have the same sexy appeal to noobs who think they can produce arbitrary widgets just by hitting a button (actually false for both solid printing and cnc)

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18:10:25 mircea_popescu: "The AR is one of the few rifle designs where you could even think about using a lower receiver made out of plastic."

18:10:27 mircea_popescu: this is such bs.

18:10:49 mircea_popescu: you know i appreciate the sentiment of calling out business insider et al for their ignorance, which is patent and outrageous

18:10:56 mircea_popescu: but locklin doesn't strike me as much better honestly.

18:11:08 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it may help to know that the focus on the AR is solely because of a weird quirk of U.S. law

18:11:23 mircea_popescu: no, i just mean the bad science of it

18:11:23 asciilifeform: in the U.S., the part which legally counts as "the gun" is the piece with the serial number on it.

18:11:32 mircea_popescu: he upper receiver of the AR-15 is legally the gun, and a plastic version would melt if it didn?t dissolve from mechanical stress the first time you fired it.

18:11:48 mircea_popescu: either he has no idea what plastic is or he's just following some script.

18:12:12 asciilifeform: so you can buy the entire metal portion of a Glock, for example (barrel and striker mechanism) with no paperwork, as if it were a video card. because the SN is stamped on an aluminum plate embedded in the lower, plastic portion.

18:12:16 mircea_popescu: you can in fact produce polymers of any arbitrary hardness, however you define it.

18:13:12 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: find me a polymer which can be used to produce a barrel reliably firing modern calibers. I know people who will pay very serious moneys for such.

18:13:27 asciilifeform: hardness is not the only issue. (temperature is another.)

18:13:35 inhies: hrm

18:13:46 inhies: my AR lowers are legally the gun, since thats where the serial number is :p

18:13:51 inhies: guess it all depends on where you get parts

18:14:03 asciilifeform: inhies: exactly. hence the 3d printer folks interest in the AR.

18:14:41 mircea_popescu: think of glock's nylon derivatives

18:15:00 mircea_popescu: also, plenty of non-plasticizing composites may well work in the 3d printer model.

18:15:04 asciilifeform: for those who have never seen an AR, the "lower" is simply a small can which holds the trigger/hammer mechanism, with the stock screwing into one end and the bold carrier/barrel assembly (known as the "upper") into the other end.

18:15:36 asciilifeform: people have carved AR lowers out of kitchen cutting boards, for instance. and even wood.

18:16:21 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you can produce a polymer which reliably stays in one piece in the form of a rifled barrel, you can become a far, far richer man than you already are.

18:16:45 mircea_popescu: dude i'm certain it can be done.

18:17:01 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: done, yes. consider aerogel. economically, no.

18:17:04 mircea_popescu: dissolve my foot.

18:17:09 mircea_popescu: economically was never the point.

18:17:13 mircea_popescu: hence my comment on bad science

18:17:51 asciilifeform: 3d printers are being touted by idiots as "we can now produce modern arms in our basement without knowing any machining." which is patently false, and is likely to remain so.

18:18:06 mircea_popescu: actually! here's a blueprint : i bet you can get a formulation of some sort of carbide, maybe even tungsten base, to dissolve in a solvent that evaporates at room temeprature

18:18:12 asciilifeform: metalworking isn't hard, but it does require some skill.

18:18:34 mircea_popescu: so you will be able to ACTUALLY print a harder-than-steel barel witha good 3d printer

18:18:35 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yes, sintering. even in the USSR, they had it.

18:18:40 mircea_popescu: right ?

18:18:44 mircea_popescu: so then wtf is locklin on about

18:18:48 asciilifeform: only problem is, sintered materials are brittle

18:18:49 mircea_popescu: you don't fight bad science with bad science

18:19:06 asciilifeform: a barrel flexes (watch an AK on full auto on youtube, high speed camera. 4-5 cm of flex, like a Slinky.)

18:19:22 mircea_popescu: dude, let's make a pistorl

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18:19:38 mircea_popescu: before you make a TOW 6 barrel double rotating machine gun

18:20:13 asciilifeform: if all you want is 17th century tech, you can easily make single-shot pistol or shotgun from hardware store pipes. and it will be far more reliable (and deadly to the enemy, vs. the user) than anything you can get out of a $3k 3d printer.

18:20:23 mircea_popescu: and brittleness doesn't sound undefeasible either. maybe you add some guar gum or some shit

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18:21:08 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: look up the temperature of the inside of a barrel (of the smallest pistol) after one shot.

18:21:25 mircea_popescu: carbides melt now ?

18:21:31 asciilifeform: did you really suggest guar gum or the like?

18:21:37 mircea_popescu: i was making a point!

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18:21:52 mircea_popescu: as in, it's extremely unlikely you won't find a debrittleing additive

18:21:57 asciilifeform: if you don't need many shots, even this works: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leather_cannon

18:22:34 asciilifeform: my point wasn't that it is physically impossible to make small arms out of garbage (it is possible) but that a 3d printer gains you nothing compared to using parts straight from the junkyard.

18:22:51 truff1es: cads id like to read your blog, do link

18:23:48 mircea_popescu: it does gain you something.

18:23:52 mircea_popescu: at the very least the cool of it.

18:24:08 mircea_popescu: further, if my carbide solution actually works any, you could be making the guns as fast as you fire them for instance

18:24:22 mircea_popescu: imagine a remote opperated batter of gun printers and robofirers

18:24:31 asciilifeform: btw, I personally have a design for a 3d printer which prints solid steel. think "TIG welder" plus XYZ frame. but this would be ruinously expensive to run, and would burn down the house of the first idiot who builds on in his garage. so, unpublished.

18:25:07 truff1es: cads u seem like an intellectual who has succumbed to wordly distractions, its a shame youve given up on uni but gl nonetheless

18:25:33 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you want to go the whole hog, dispense with cartridges. fire nails or ball bearings, with injected gasoline for the propellant.

18:25:38 mircea_popescu: " If he just wanted to make a working gun out of a barrel and bolt, he could have done so with duct tape, modeling clay and superglue."

18:25:42 mircea_popescu: again, this point is correct.

18:25:52 mircea_popescu: but the foregoing statements are both incorrect and misleading.

18:26:10 asciilifeform: contrary to popular delusion, the fist of the State will come down in the future not on guns, but on ammunition.

18:26:51 truff1es: why

18:27:14 asciilifeform: producing crude but working small arms is trivial. modern ammunition, not so much.

18:27:31 mircea_popescu: " Solid printers can make crude unassembled plastic parts; nothing else. No electronics can be made in this way."

18:27:35 mircea_popescu: again, this is fuckwittery.

18:27:39 mircea_popescu: all electronics are made in this way

18:27:43 asciilifeform: I can see the political virtues of reviving the skills of building 18th century muskets, but 3d printers aren't usefully in the mix.

18:27:44 mircea_popescu: chips are lierally printed

18:27:50 mircea_popescu: and then the pcbs are mounted by machine

18:28:10 mircea_popescu: this guy is incredibly ignorant and wilfully so.

18:28:40 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: do you own a chip fab? does it fit in your house? why, or why not? using the term "printing" for photomask fabrication is disingenuous.

18:28:48 mircea_popescu: why ?

18:28:54 mircea_popescu: the early printers didn't fit in my jhouse

18:28:57 mircea_popescu: nor the early computers

18:28:58 asciilifeform: astronomical tooling cost

18:29:05 mircea_popescu: note that i dispute the "can not" claim

18:29:10 mircea_popescu: i do not make the "can" claim.

18:29:30 mircea_popescu: again, if we protest scientific ignorance of journos

18:29:37 mircea_popescu: let's not demonstrate it one knot up the river.

18:30:11 asciilifeform: btw, I am personally researching a means for fabricating 1980s-level VLSI in "bush conditions." No prizes for guessing why. But I cannot promise that anything will come of it.

18:31:50 mircea_popescu: bush condition means no metal ?

18:32:20 asciilifeform: meaning a plebe's budget.

18:32:35 mircea_popescu: a

18:33:14 mircea_popescu: hm

18:33:20 mircea_popescu: i'd bet against it.

18:33:33 asciilifeform: smart money bets against, yes.

18:34:03 mircea_popescu: no but i mean... you will need a laser.

18:34:13 asciilifeform: although I do have access to university surplus lab junk.

18:34:25 mircea_popescu: and very high precision controls for moving it

18:34:40 asciilifeform: SAW resonator

18:34:46 asciilifeform: Kerr cell for toggling

18:34:55 mircea_popescu: um

18:35:08 benkay: whoa

18:35:12 mircea_popescu: can you acrtually fabricate silicon with resonance without having very specially made foundry silicon ?

18:35:19 mircea_popescu: as in, won't it just crack ?

18:35:39 asciilifeform: no, you get the SAWs from the uni junkyard

18:35:56 mircea_popescu: ok, but do what with them lol

18:35:59 asciilifeform: alternatively, DLP arrays from consumer video projectors

18:36:18 asciilifeform: (granted the latter gives you LSI at best, 1970s level)

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18:36:49 mircea_popescu: i tell ye i don't see it.

18:36:51 asciilifeform: I'm more interested in the ion beam deposition approach, rather than optical masks, though

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18:37:34 asciilifeform: I assume you were asking about optical (traditional) photo etching

18:38:10 Guest18208: hi\

18:38:26 mircea_popescu: yea

18:38:28 Guest18208: i am guest 18 fucking 208

18:38:32 mircea_popescu: hi guest.

18:38:35 Guest18208: just ask me anything

18:38:41 mircea_popescu: hows urmom

18:38:41 benkay: what is your mission

18:38:49 Guest18208: mostly anal

18:38:52 Guest18208: next question

18:38:54 asciilifeform: ion beam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_beam_deposition) is ever so slightly more doable, I suspect.

18:39:12 assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 2 @ 0.198 = 0.396 BTC [+]

18:39:19 mircea_popescu: mebbe. ianae

18:39:35 Guest18208: ianaproctologist

18:40:10 benkay: asciilifeform a friend of mine built an ion beam microscope

18:40:39 benkay: got a point source for waving around with em fields by using a pinhole

18:40:53 asciilifeform: benkay: one can trivially build an STM out of junkyard parts: http://www.e-basteln.de/index_m.htm

18:40:56 benkay: he told me that and i were all OMGOFCOURSE

18:40:59 asciilifeform: mostly useless for semiconductor work, though

18:41:19 benkay: this were no tunneler

18:41:25 benkay: and this is just an interesting anecdote

18:44:15 benkay: $avg

18:44:17 mpexbot: benkay: 113.06

18:44:21 jurov: maybe organic semiconductors would be more suitable than silicon?

18:44:54 asciilifeform: jurov: I'm looking into copper oxide

18:45:21 asciilifeform: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3AJulius_Edgar_Lilienfeld

18:46:01 asciilifeform: "in 1995 R. G. Arns found a 1948 legal deposition by Johnson which said the opposite: that Bell Labs back then had a project to test Lilienfeld's transistors, and before Johnson took over the project,"

18:47:04 asciilifeform: "...a paper, JVST A Volume 20, Issue 4, pp. 1365-1368 describing transistors made with anodized aluminum gate insulator and a chemical bath deposited semiconductor (CdS/CdSe). Both are techniques that do not require complicated equipment (beaker, current source, heater) and should have been accessible in the 1920s."

18:48:20 asciilifeform: TLDR: an obscure German fellow almost certainly had working transistors in the '20s.

18:48:42 truff1es: did he get credit

18:48:50 asciilifeform: truffles: not really.

18:48:58 truff1es: unlucky

18:49:05 asciilifeform: although Bell Labs was denied the patent on the basis of his prior art.

18:50:20 truff1es: easiest way to steal ideas, work at patent office it seems

18:50:43 asciilifeform: granted, there is quite a leap from Lilienfeld's cupric oxide transistor to kitchen table VLSI. but it seems like a promising idea to investigate.

18:51:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14500 @ 0.00069899 = 10.1354 BTC [+]

18:53:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.2401 = 1.2005 BTC [-]

18:53:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 12 @ 0.24 = 2.88 BTC [-]

18:53:22 assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 39 @ 0.01255 = 0.4895 BTC [+]

18:54:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.24 = 1.2 BTC [-]

18:59:06 mircea_popescu: why ?

19:00:07 mircea_popescu: if anyone missed it, the latest debate with datskovskiy is raging even now http://polimedia.us/fraudsters/2013/some-basic-discussion-of-bitcoin-macroeconomy/#comment-93049

19:00:14 benkay: presumably for basement mining hardware?

19:02:15 jurov: i tried to point out that shitcoins are akin to banknotes that you can remotely tamper with their value

19:02:24 cads: asciilifeform: what's your 3d printing background?

19:02:37 jurov: and thus obviously nobody is interested in accepting them

19:02:49 jurov: but it went nowhere

19:03:54 cads: what I heard was a lot about printing guns, without any mention of things like the thingiverse, the form 1, makerbot industry's successes, the fact that the staples is rolling out a 3d printer that will be sold from their stores (the cubify offering).

19:04:15 cads: 3d printed guns is about 1 year old

19:04:34 cads: and the whole topic is only for lunatics

19:05:04 cads: this is like judging bitcoin solely on the characteristics of its use in the silk road.

19:06:27 cads: appplications for 3d printing are amazingly wide ranging. The cubify is a mass produced unit in the $1200 range, intended for crafts and hobbies, school classrooms, children, and so on.

19:07:16 cads: it's also misleading to say that 3d printers require the same CAD/CAM work that mills require

19:07:48 benkay: mircea_popescu GPG identity management services will eclipse the engineering payroll? o.O please correct my interpretation of what you said on the other side of that link

19:08:59 mircea_popescu: nope, that's it.

19:09:08 mircea_popescu: identity management will be larger than engineering.

19:09:34 cads: asciilifeform: this is not true - for a well tuned commercial printer, the process of turning a 3d design into gcode is almost trivial. Coding g-code for a cnc mill is amazingly hard for high complexity parts, and often requires the production of specialized tooling and setup costs for each new part you produce

19:10:26 kakobrekla: you dont code g-code

19:10:39 kakobrekla: nobody does that

19:10:42 cads: no, you synthesize it

19:10:45 kakobrekla: yea

19:11:05 benkay: or

19:11:08 benkay: print the big form

19:11:17 benkay: carve off the bits you need for dimensional correctness with a mill

19:11:27 benkay: let the printer do the complex geometry

19:13:26 cads: Yep. the print time of a part scales with the part's volume. The milling time of a contoured part scales with the amount of material removed, but more importantly, with the feature count of the surface produced.

19:13:55 assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.01255 = 0.0377 BTC [+]

19:14:55 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=196138.0

19:14:59 mircea_popescu: i think we all seen that ?

19:15:05 benkay: print time vastly exceeds cut time

19:15:10 benkay: cut time is lols for plastic

19:16:42 ThickAsThieves: why 54 u?

19:17:07 mircea_popescu: 5430 satoshi

19:17:17 mircea_popescu: not sure how he picked it but looks bellybutton sourced

19:17:17 ThickAsThieves: meh i guess i dont really care about the answer

19:17:40 benkay: just barely less than a cent today

19:17:40 ThickAsThieves: it seems like something theyll end up removing in the future, so why add it

19:17:50 benkay: 100 bucks at some far future point

19:17:53 ThickAsThieves: maybe to prevent some kind of spam attack?

19:18:51 jurov: they copied litecoin

19:19:38 kakobrekla: i dont like it

19:19:42 jurov: you can research what was the motivation in ltc case, maybe it was really spam

19:20:20 jurov: or marketing or rape

19:21:12 ThickAsThieves: or porn in the code!

19:22:12 mircea_popescu: im not sure why they're not just letting the tx fee decide

19:22:15 mircea_popescu: but whatever.

19:22:38 mircea_popescu: ah, actually, there is a reason

19:22:45 mircea_popescu: we are choked by nonadoption/node death

19:23:02 mircea_popescu: consequently there's no way to outcompete dust txs, cause you don't pay a fee to be relayed

19:23:40 mircea_popescu: tbh the no-relay-fee is probably the grossest fundamental oversight in the design of bitcoin

19:24:00 mircea_popescu: and it allows no easy fox

19:24:04 mircea_popescu: fix*

19:24:29 ThickAsThieves: guess we'll have to just wait for diablocoins

19:25:49 benkay: nonadoption of new version numbers?

19:26:31 jordandotdev: does anyone know if bitfinex has an irc channel?

19:27:20 ThickAsThieves: i had a thought about altcoin manipulaiton today, it seems that every new altcoin that pops up, magically has buyers on BTC-E. I wonder if it'd be feasible to support new coins so as to keep the difficulty low on the one coin you really want to control and prop up later, like litecoin. You get everyone to move their hashes elsewhere, and then keep reaping LTC, then you pull the plug

19:27:20 ThickAsThieves: one day on all the alts.

19:28:11 cads: benkay: lets talk more about 3dp later - I think there is a great future in personal desktop-based manufacturing, and it seems like 3dp is positioned to bring it to the consumer. There are lots of points of contention I'd love to chat about, but I gotta jet.

19:29:03 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves pretty much the pump and dump they're running

19:29:37 ThickAsThieves: they can even make money pumping the alts too, it just seems like it's a house of cards

19:29:49 kakobrekla: seems this alt chain thingy comes in cycles

19:29:49 mircea_popescu: yup

19:30:01 mircea_popescu: btc-e is pretty much the reason nobody takes alts seriously

19:30:18 kakobrekla: together with bubbles

19:30:37 kakobrekla: or when was the last alt chain hype

19:30:45 kakobrekla: ixcoin and i0coin and whatnot

19:30:53 ThickAsThieves: so the question is, which, if any, altcoin is the "real" altcoin

19:31:10 kakobrekla: bitcoin is preety alt

19:31:55 mircea_popescu: ltc may have a chance. maybe.

19:32:24 mircea_popescu: tho the "mmo" idiots beat up in btc moved there, and it's prolly going to be the internet marketeer reservation

19:36:55 ThickAsThieves: cryto-trade.com was supposed to be a BTC-e competitor, but now it seems it was about as scammy as we thought

19:37:08 ThickAsThieves: crypto-trade.com *

19:38:11 asciilifeform: damn, went off to meatspace for a spell and missed all the fun here.

19:40:49 benkay: there's a log now

19:40:55 benkay: public and everything

19:41:53 asciilifeform: I got a month of running log, sure

19:46:02 asciilifeform: re: 3d printers: I work with a guy who is a serious solid printing enthusiast (five figure investment in various attempts, and most of his spare time.) he prints objects like phone charging cradles and parts for model aircraft.

19:46:53 asciilifeform: my argument isn't that solid printing is a waste of time (it is an interesting hobby) but that it is unlikely to displace industrial production for any everyday object

19:47:05 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ever ?

19:47:23 asciilifeform: I wouldn't say "ever", but it is about the same as home CNC machining

19:47:36 mircea_popescu: i tell you, originally they thought the same of industrial robots.

19:47:41 mircea_popescu: clunky, hopeless things.

19:47:41 asciilifeform: i.e. you need actual brains to make a useful object, to spec

19:47:52 mircea_popescu: ie, yuou need brains to climb stairs.

19:48:48 asciilifeform: even speaking solely of plastic objects where materials strength is unimportant, the main issue appears to be warping/distortion

19:49:33 asciilifeform: example: my colleague prints an iphone cradle, brings in five attempts. the phone fits in the fifth, but only because he threw in the towel and took a hand file to it

19:49:57 asciilifeform: the next day he brings in two pieces

19:50:01 asciilifeform: (it snapped)

19:50:27 asciilifeform: this doesn't prove anything in particular, granted

19:50:46 asciilifeform: other than the fact that real-world materials behave in all kinds of interesting ways

19:50:56 asciilifeform: and not at all like the ideal solid you see on the CAD screen

19:52:21 asciilifeform: btw, industrial robots are an instructive example, because in some fields they are available, but it is very difficult to get people to trust them for all but the simplest operations

19:52:47 mircea_popescu: except they do everything pretty much.

19:52:55 mircea_popescu: a fucking CAT scan is you fucking a robot.

19:53:08 kakobrekla: lol

19:53:17 asciilifeform: the hardware is superb, the vendor software: abysmal.

19:53:28 asciilifeform: at least in the pharma sector.

19:54:05 asciilifeform: I actually sell a replacement for the latter in one of my day jobs: http://www.molboxllc.com/products.html

19:54:29 asciilifeform: almost everyone seems to prefer grad students pushing pipettes, though

19:54:39 asciilifeform: given that the robot goes for $250K

19:54:43 mircea_popescu: lol basically making macros for computer illiterate folk ?

19:54:51 asciilifeform: just that

19:54:59 asciilifeform: except that in this particular case it works better

19:55:11 asciilifeform: (e.g. you don't have to measure the physical objects and fit them to a coordinate grid)

19:55:23 asciilifeform: most of the operations in high-throughput pharma screening are repetitive

19:55:35 benkay: grad schools suffer from an excess of cheap labor

19:55:42 mircea_popescu: ^

19:55:51 mircea_popescu: t\hey don't really WANT to replace the students

19:56:09 mircea_popescu: because they get most of their income from pretending those students doing boring shit are "gaining"

19:56:15 mircea_popescu: killed 1 rat gained 5xp

19:56:15 benkay: they don't understand the costs of institutionally embedded knowledge either

19:56:20 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: trust me, I know

19:56:29 asciilifeform: but in a few dark corners of the world, results actually matter

19:56:49 asciilifeform: (outside the academia pesthole, but even then, by far not always)

19:59:07 mircea_popescu: The Entropia Universe client is designed to operate on Microsoft compatible PC:s running Microsoft Windows as an operating system. It is not designed to run natively under Mac OS X or Linux.

19:59:07 mircea_popescu: However, your Mac running OS X or PC running Linux that meet the hardware system requirements for Entropia Universe may also be able to run Microsoft Windows, the operating system needed to run the Entropia Universe client software.

19:59:12 mircea_popescu: fucking retards ?!

19:59:32 benkay: yeah what is this entropica

19:59:38 asciilifeform: wat

19:59:43 benkay: gives me installer

19:59:45 benkay: wants to play

20:00:35 mircea_popescu: "your broken linux computer could be fixed by installing windoze"

20:00:38 mircea_popescu: wtf is this shit

20:01:02 truff1es: <benkay> there's a log now>>> where?

20:01:23 asciilifeform: most commercial software may as well have this nonsense printed on the box. it is certainly there, between the lines.

20:01:28 benkay: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com

20:01:37 truff1es: k thanks

20:01:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 839 @ 0.0006992 = 0.5866 BTC [+]

20:02:39 truff1es: my comments are on 1st page hmmm

20:02:49 truff1es: of today

20:03:12 benkay: also on the entropica topic

20:03:49 benkay: I have a feeling that parameterizing the space and understanding how the engine works is vastly more useful than any existing software package

20:04:48 benkay: also i have yet to see it run in real time

20:04:56 benkay: and it looks a little computationally intensive

20:06:04 benkay: "just run monte carlos over the whole space and optimize for availability of future paths"

20:06:09 benkay: "during each iteration of control loop"

20:06:17 benkay: well, each iteration may be overkill

20:06:19 benkay: !

20:06:27 mircea_popescu: i need someone to code me a mmorpg

20:06:38 benkay: and if you stay in the pre-calculated space you might be able to avoid re-running the sims

20:07:59 Namworld: [16:06] <mircea_popescu> i need someone to code me a mmorpg

20:08:24 Namworld: "Retards: a Bitcoin Story"?

20:08:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14950 @ 0.00070573 = 10.5507 BTC [+]

20:09:28 Namworld: With colorful bitcointalk.org people as NPCs and a whole lot of cheap jokes and parody?

20:09:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2087 @ 0.00070573 = 1.4729 BTC [+]

20:09:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1972 @ 0.00070787 = 1.3959 BTC [+]

20:09:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3086 @ 0.00070983 = 2.1905 BTC [+]

20:09:52 benkay: hoho

20:10:04 benkay: "you enter bitcoin-assets and are instantly covered in buckets of semen"

20:10:16 jurov: mirceeeeeaaaaa y u no ntp synchronize?

20:11:04 jurov: i'm pulling my hair out over an issue that boils down to trade execution dates few second before the orders were placed

20:11:11 jurov: on mpex

20:12:52 jurov: mircea_popescu, ur timewarp enginez are misaligned ^^^

20:13:59 benkay: he's probably yelling at the monkeys

20:14:12 mircea_popescu: Namworld lol maybe

20:14:40 mircea_popescu: jurov because the server does not have an internet connection.

20:14:46 mircea_popescu: time synch is a mutherfuckin pain

20:15:17 mircea_popescu: basically you're stuck synching to mpex rather than expecting real time having any impact

20:16:05 benkay: do you have something available for ntp to peer to?

20:16:27 mircea_popescu: nope.

20:16:35 jurov: but it even diverges from time given in stat header

20:16:49 mircea_popescu: now that's rare wtf.

20:17:06 assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.108899 BTC [+]

20:17:07 mircea_popescu: jurov is it the case right now or was it in the past ?

20:17:27 jurov: it manifests since yesterday

20:18:03 mircea_popescu: dude usure ?

20:20:48 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.24 = 2.48 BTC [-]

20:21:02 mircea_popescu: it;s like 10 seconds behind oddly.

20:22:26 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you can synch time on a non-networked server using a GPS/GLONASS/Beidou-1 receiver

20:22:41 mircea_popescu: yeah but that doesn't fit ;/

20:22:45 asciilifeform: make sure to tune in all three constellations, as someone may want to fuck with you via signal spoofing

20:22:55 asciilifeform: doesn't fit?

20:23:00 asciilifeform: what are you using, a Palm Pilot?

20:23:04 mircea_popescu: lol

20:23:20 mircea_popescu: hahaha

20:23:31 jurov: stat relative to other data inside seems to be okay. whole thing including http headers has offset

20:23:35 asciilifeform: is is secreted in a slave girl's arse?

20:24:00 asciilifeform: you can get the receiver on a usb stick, and it will fit even there

20:24:12 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the only stuff like that i've seen is roughly larger than a server blade

20:24:16 mircea_popescu: and has to be so and so emplaced etc

20:24:41 mircea_popescu: jurov that'd be normal as the outer layer of servers ashould be more or less on normal time

20:24:58 asciilifeform: the industrial products, sure. but with a consumer stick the functionality is the same, minus the steel case.

20:25:09 asciilifeform: the girl will have to bend her arse towards the sky when you want to sync

20:25:19 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well provider i use didn;'t have your stick and i didn't press the issue

20:25:31 asciilifeform: and of course you maintain a local server, that the radio signal can only over-ride by a second or so delta either way

20:25:51 jurov: 2013-05-05 21:09:15,655 [mpex]:DEBUG:Response headers: [('Date', ['Sun, 05 May 2013 19:09:06 GMT']), << this is HTTP Date header from outer layer I guess

20:26:00 jurov: and it's 10 sec off, too

20:26:04 mircea_popescu: yeah

20:26:37 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.23 BTC [-]

20:26:38 mircea_popescu: was this progressive and only now noticed or did it just happen ?!

20:26:38 asciilifeform: or buy a cesium timepiece yourself (4 figures USD on ebay) or a rhubidium one if you're a cheapskate.

20:26:40 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.226 BTC [-]

20:26:53 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i can't get radioactive material into that space ;/

20:26:59 asciilifeform: neither is radioactive

20:27:12 asciilifeform: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cesium_clock

20:27:20 mircea_popescu: its decay innit ?

20:27:21 asciilifeform: only stable isotopes are used in a clock

20:27:27 asciilifeform: nothing to do with decay

20:27:41 assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 44 @ 0.01255 = 0.5522 BTC [+]

20:27:54 asciilifeform: microwave resonance of the element in question

20:28:05 mircea_popescu: a ok

20:28:06 asciilifeform: a clock based on nuclear decay would suck

20:28:09 mircea_popescu: aaanyways.

20:28:38 mircea_popescu: jurov so basically, the situation here is that the stat time and the tx time inside the stat is consistent

20:28:38 asciilifeform: seriously, even the dinkiest fm radio station has a rhubidium clock (to help stay in its purchased frequency band.)

20:28:43 asciilifeform: mpex can afford it

20:28:49 mircea_popescu: but this not necessarily consistent with other time signals such as http headers

20:28:51 mircea_popescu: is this correct ?

20:29:53 jurov: now it looks like both stat time, tx time and http headers are ~10 sec off

20:29:55 mod6: http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3u99f2/

20:30:57 mircea_popescu: mpex is creating its own timezone.

20:31:39 asciilifeform: btw, the extent to which btc users can be fucked with through ntp spoofing is non-zero and quite interesting to contemplate.

20:32:10 asciilifeform: somebody ought to make a quick buck marketing usb rhubidium clocks to "supernode" fellows

20:32:43 kakobrekla: theres market for at least one

20:32:56 jurov: on May 2 and before there was only 1 sec difference

20:33:13 jurov: searchign for the point where it went bad...

20:33:30 kakobrekla: just dont fuck up the matrix

20:35:38 jurov: how could i fuck it? i just can claim "this is the point when matrix took over"

20:35:40 kakobrekla: o

20:35:49 kakobrekla: someone called for cream with cherry on top https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=196150.0

20:36:00 asciilifeform: also, I should note that, AFAIK, neither GPS, nor GLONASS, nor Beidou use crypto authentication for the time signal (or the coordinates!) so you could still be spoofed, if someone were interested.

20:36:08 asciilifeform: hence buying your own clock.

20:37:05 mircea_popescu: anyway should be all synced

20:37:25 kakobrekla: genjix: Tihan is a manipulative sociopath.

20:37:28 kakobrekla: lolz

20:37:36 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah and yeah.

20:37:56 mircea_popescu: these are the sorts of things nobody knows about. mpex too paranoid to allow ntp, mtgox buys more ram.

20:39:54 kakobrekla: >>Oh, and next time you trash and break a Segway in Vienna that Alex paid for because some fat girl offers you a hug...DONT RUN AWAY AND LEAVE THE SEGWAY IN THE STREET!!!!!! (true story for whoever wants to know. Roger, Erik and myself were there)

20:39:58 kakobrekla: lol wtf

20:41:19 mircea_popescu: wtf ?!

20:41:36 kakobrekla: follow last retardcointalk url

20:42:12 mircea_popescu: The site had been losing money for months

20:42:13 mircea_popescu: ha!

20:42:19 mircea_popescu: who was contradicting me last week ?

20:42:21 jurov: asciilifeform: iirc iranians spoofed btc already and captured a drone

20:42:34 asciilifeform: jurov: yes, exactly

20:42:36 kakobrekla: mircea_popescu tbh could be just some bull.

20:42:48 jurov: *spoofed gps , not btc :)

20:43:00 asciilifeform: jurov: the funniest part is that the drone could have been using the military (authenticated) channel, but wasn't - because of "lowest bidder" hardware on board.

20:43:21 assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.01 BTC [-]

20:43:35 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the dirty secret there is that the military chan is tyoo slow.

20:43:50 asciilifeform: jurov: all the Iranians had to do was broadcast the coordinates of the U.S. airbase the drone was to return to.

20:48:10 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=196150.msg2039674#msg2039674

20:48:16 mircea_popescu: all bitcoin has is one fat girl and a broken segway.

20:58:00 assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 3 @ 0.003199 = 0.0096 BTC [+]

20:58:52 assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 97 @ 0.0032 = 0.3104 BTC [+]

21:17:21 kakobrekla: lawl mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=196189.msg2040113#msg2040113

21:17:36 assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.19 BTC [-]

21:17:57 mircea_popescu: lol

21:19:43 benkay: git status

21:19:50 benkay: oh derp

21:20:51 mircea_popescu: benkay were you asking me about the previous one ?

21:25:31 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=186185.msg2037118#msg2037118 it reminds him of the movie

21:25:33 mircea_popescu: dun dun dun

21:25:33 kakobrekla: MOAR https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=194494.0

21:26:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 2 @ 1.465 = 2.93 BTC [+]

21:27:11 benkay: don't know what you're talking about, mircea_popescu

21:28:04 mircea_popescu: mpoe-pr was telling the previous new-exchange-idiot to pack it

21:28:13 mircea_popescu: and you were asking me whay or something

21:28:48 truff1es: lol new level of arrogance

21:28:49 benkay: no, i accidentally terminaled into x-chat

21:28:57 benkay: >>bashed in x-chat

21:29:24 benkay: are you referencing a conversation from a few days back?

21:30:44 truff1es: benkay the assumption here is that you repsonded to his praise of his pr person

21:31:47 dub: how long should I air dry computers that have been washed

21:32:13 inhies: wat

21:32:23 benkay: did you use detergent?

21:32:37 dub: no, just rain water

21:32:44 benkay: ah i would wash them again then

21:32:45 mircea_popescu: dub a week

21:33:22 dub: transporting command center to new dubhouse, had kayak on roof and water tracked along roof racks

21:33:42 dub: helpfully washing a laptop and mining rig

21:35:45 mircea_popescu: lol

21:36:13 mircea_popescu: you aid computer not laptop.

21:36:23 mircea_popescu: a laptop is basically neversafe to use again, unless you take it apart.

21:38:36 dub: well the saving grace is its battery is completely dead, only works with power attached so hopefully no residual power to short anything

21:40:29 mircea_popescu: I am just speculating but it seems to me that Mircea isn't really a racist even though he could have conveyed his point more gently by considering the history of racism and ethnic discrimination in the U.S. and the fact that Bitcoin is popular within the same demographic of people that will actually read him, despite his Armenian descent he could have been more considerate of other nations

21:40:30 mircea_popescu: o.o

21:42:24 kakobrekla: now that ppl accually read you, you must watch your mouth

21:42:36 mircea_popescu: but why am i armenian

21:42:40 mircea_popescu: he thinks im maddox ?!

21:43:01 kakobrekla: make "im better than your wife" page

21:44:41 mircea_popescu: lol

21:44:45 mircea_popescu: tyhat may be dangerousd

21:50:56 dub: !ticker b asicminer-pt

21:50:56 assbot: The vision of Christ that thou dost see ... is my vision's greatest enemy.

21:51:47 dub: !ticker btctc asicminer-pt

21:51:48 assbot: [BTCT:ASICMINER-PT] 1D: 1.12 / 1.20323 / 1.268999 (303 shares, 364.6 BTC), 7D: 1.12 / 1.25659 / 1.32475 (1650 shares, 2073.4 BTC), 30D: 0.6269 / 1.05905 / 1.75 (6980 shares, 7392.2 BTC)

21:52:06 dub: btctctfctctc worst brand ever

21:52:43 kakobrekla: you can use bt for short

22:05:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 1.465 BTC [+]

22:25:49 assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.01255 = 0.1255 BTC [+]

22:26:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 8 @ 0.3194 = 2.5552 BTC [+]

22:28:33 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.21001 = 3.63 BTC [-]

22:32:06 assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.01255 = 0.0628 BTC [+]

22:37:14 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2 BTC [-]

22:38:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00070862 = 9.9915 BTC [-]

22:53:47 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu:

23:05:52 mjr___: sup everyone

23:07:33 kakobrekla: heya

23:08:46 truff1es: whats on today mjr?

23:13:08 mircea_popescu: not much

23:15:27 kakobrekla: >Small issues friend. We are attempting to make our exchange very reputable. I don't see value this year, but 10 years down the road when crypto-currencies are truly the trend. Our vision is to build a long lasting product for our market - We need a good team to do that.

23:15:28 kakobrekla: omg!

23:15:33 kakobrekla: >I should have been clear on the aspect of the design and basic functionality - I think bitstamp is a clean interface but you are right, they have their flaws. Engine wise, I'd look towards the process MtGox is taking on and the partnerships they have forged with various companies to increase their survival (see: Prolexic partnership).

23:15:37 kakobrekla: he said survival.

23:16:28 mircea_popescu: so dear assets ppl, help me see what classics i've missed.

23:16:34 mircea_popescu: played the entire heroes of might and magic series,

23:16:37 mircea_popescu: played most ultima

23:16:39 mircea_popescu: played gothic

23:16:46 mircea_popescu: played wizardry

23:17:15 mircea_popescu: baldur's gate and all the stuff on that engine

23:20:27 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2 BTC [-]

23:24:07 thestringpuller: ;;calc 43.48 / 1.60

23:24:07 gribble: 27.175

23:24:22 thestringpuller: ;;calc 43.40 / 1.60

23:24:22 gribble: 27.125

23:24:27 thestringpuller: ;;calc 43.20 / 1.60

23:24:27 gribble: 27

23:25:04 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu you haven't played vidya games until you've played mega man 2

23:25:08 thestringpuller: jkjk

23:26:21 mjr___: any JS devs here

23:28:55 zebedee_: The bitcoin blocks are flying right now.

23:34:31 assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 2 @ 0.1081 = 0.2162 BTC [-]

23:36:14 thestringpuller: ;;calc .25*46.48

23:36:14 gribble: 11.62

23:36:21 thestringpuller: ;;calc .75*46.48

23:36:22 gribble: 34.86

23:36:34 thestringpuller: ;;calc 55 - 34.86

23:36:34 gribble: 20.14

23:37:36 benkay: mircea_popescu are you still looking for classics?

23:38:25 mircea_popescu: sure

23:38:45 benkay: DWARF FORTRESS

23:39:01 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.22 = 2.44 BTC [+]

23:39:02 kakobrekla: ;;bc,stats

23:39:05 gribble: Current Blocks: 234719 | Current Difficulty: 1.0076292883418716E7 | Next Difficulty At Block: 235871 | Next Difficulty In: 1152 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 23 hours, 33 minutes, and 49 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 10449088.1411 | Estimated Percent Change: 3.69973

23:39:17 mircea_popescu: um

23:39:46 mircea_popescu: i nev er played that one ?!

23:40:24 mircea_popescu: lol what's this, 2006 rogue ?