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00:00:39 benkay: actually told someone 'no, this 10k LOC won't get you all the way to your dream business, but it will get you selling crap online and that'll be enough to raise the remaining 40k to pay us to make the rest of the thing for you' recently.

00:01:50 bounce: such colourful speech

00:02:16 mircea_popescu: sounds like the silicon valley of maharashtra.

00:04:03 benkay: 'fart up for less! come to cascadia.'

00:04:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6150 @ 0.00083899 = 5.1598 BTC [-] {2}

00:08:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48357 @ 0.00084511 = 40.867 BTC [+] {5}

00:10:02 ThickAsThieves: lol my wordpress makes me approve my own comments...

00:10:10 ThickAsThieves: previous link should display now

00:10:19 bounce: feh, people running ads to implore people to go vote for the eurocircus. the only winning move is to get one of dem euroseats, sign in for the day (for the money) then bugger off immediately.

00:10:55 mircea_popescu: bounce the only few times i ever wenbt to bruxelles i used to live-in with a friend that did exactly that.

00:13:10 mircea_popescu: If schools cannot justify differentials in rates of punishment by race or ethnic group, they will face the loss of federal funds and be forced to undertake costly diversity training. The nation's educators can avoid sanctions by adopting a racial quota system for student discipline. So as Roger Clegg, president and general counsel of the Center for Equal Opportunity, predicts, "school officials will either start discip

00:13:10 mircea_popescu: lining students who shouldn't be, or, more likely, will not discipline some students who ought to be."

00:13:15 mircea_popescu: funniest thing i read all week.

00:13:22 mircea_popescu: discipline quotas!

00:13:43 mircea_popescu: i fucking use this for my own benefit, as it happens. "i've not spanked anyone in a long time, who'd like a red butt ?"

00:16:18 *: bounce now regrets not cozying up to the local parties to get on the would be lucky free money lists

00:16:41 bounce: then again, it'd mean campaigning. I'm not that fond of lying through my teeth.

00:16:52 mircea_popescu: it was like 100k back in 2004ish. muy cheap.

00:17:37 benkay: someone got run over in this town because they were doing pushups in the middle of the street at 4 am.

00:17:59 benkay: oh and he was naked.

00:18:02 benkay: http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Man-doing-naked-pushups-in-Portland-hit-and-killed-by-passing-car-257864941.html

00:18:23 bounce: roadkill

00:18:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6139 @ 0.00084805 = 5.2062 BTC [+]

00:19:33 mircea_popescu: nuts.

00:19:50 benkay: well it's dinner party o'clock for sane people hereabouts. keep pumping neobee mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmkay?

00:20:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 212 @ 0.00600152 = 1.2723 BTC [-] {6}

00:20:41 mircea_popescu: Portland police first received a call at 4:04 a.m. reporting a naked man was running through traffic near Columbia and Portsmouth Ave.

00:20:42 mircea_popescu: While police were on their way to the scene, they received a call stating that the naked man was now doing pushups in the street.

00:20:42 mircea_popescu: Still en route, police received a third call reporting that the man had been struck by a vehicle.

00:20:45 mircea_popescu: ok that was pretty good.

00:21:09 benkay: nobody can move fast enough to save the retarded and drug addled from theyselves.

00:21:12 benkay: OKAY IM OUT FOR SRS

00:22:52 dub: [15:26] --- gesell1 [~gesell@p2003004546563A19D55BF2EA363B137A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #bitcoin-analysis

00:22:55 dub: [15:29] <gesell1> !up

00:22:57 dub: [15:29] <gribble> Error: "up" is not a valid command.

00:23:00 dub: look what you have done

00:23:03 dub: [15:30] <gesell1> !up

00:23:05 dub: [15:30] <gribble> Error: "up" is not a valid command.

00:23:08 dub: [15:31] <gesell1> ?

00:23:35 mircea_popescu: lol

00:29:04 cazalla: benkay: we have public safety warnings here in australia to warn people not to sleep on the road

00:29:09 cazalla: pushups would be an improvement

00:30:30 cazalla: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qClBRaretEk

00:59:26 mircea_popescu: ok, am i nuts or does http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/ have a very different icon from http://pool.sks-keyservers.net/ ?

01:00:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.07679645 = 3.0719 BTC [+] {5}

01:07:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 11 @ 0.03300109 = 0.363 BTC [-] {2}

01:07:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00084787 = 1.8653 BTC [-]

01:13:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.469901 BTC [-]

01:16:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03225525 = 0.129 BTC [-]

01:20:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.46577258 = 2.3289 BTC [-] {4}

01:29:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13443 @ 0.00084504 = 11.3599 BTC [-] {2}

01:30:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.03263302 = 0.3263 BTC [+]

01:30:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0330011 = 0.33 BTC [+]

01:30:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 307 @ 0.00084387 = 0.2591 BTC [-]

01:32:46 mircea_popescu: "Superservitude with an attitude." ahaha great one.

01:32:54 asciilifeform: !? lol

01:33:20 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves' twitter acct.

01:33:52 mircea_popescu: i *think* it's based off some comment of mine from x years ago that being an admin is being a superservant not a superuser.

01:34:15 asciilifeform: 'superservitude' evokes a story. over here in usa, schoolchildren (in many states, mine included) were required to do x hours of 'community service' to graduate

01:34:23 mircea_popescu: wait what ?!

01:34:38 mircea_popescu: isn't that a substitute punishment for poor people that can't pay fines ?

01:34:53 benkay: lol yup

01:34:54 asciilifeform: one option, riotously funny, was advertised on library wall. 'society against involuntary servitude' (an org run by 'randroids') that... campaigned against community serv. requirements.

01:34:56 asciilifeform: it counted!

01:35:07 mircea_popescu: haha cool.

01:35:30 mircea_popescu: you've gotten nustso socialist over there btw. i mean wtf is this, community service ? i wouldn't have graduated.

01:36:01 asciilifeform: (what did i do? well, i worked summers in a bio lab. technically unpaid. so, i was golden.)

01:36:36 asciilifeform: (they had a special arrangement, where you'd get a 'prize' later.)

01:36:36 mircea_popescu: let teh community service me instead.

01:37:10 mircea_popescu: "I use "sign" in the widest sense of the definition. It is a wonderful case of an almost popular use of a very broad word in almost the exact sense of the scientific definition." << this may actuallty be the only case where popular use actually coincides with scientific use.

01:37:49 asciilifeform: punishment for poor people << aye! drive on 'beltway', watch the prison wagens (colourful logo) and their crews, picking up rubbish.

01:38:46 mircea_popescu: randroids being ayn rand ppls ?

01:38:50 asciilifeform: aye

01:39:01 mircea_popescu: i keep learning all these wonderful things.

01:39:06 asciilifeform: popular name for the folks who go full throttle with ms rand

01:39:07 mircea_popescu: i also picked up "nrx" today

01:39:17 asciilifeform: w'ts that

01:39:34 mircea_popescu: apparently lulzing @the us contemporary nonsense has a name and an acronym. neoreactionary!

01:39:47 asciilifeform: aha mr mold's word.

01:40:36 mircea_popescu: i'm not even reactionary, myself, i've not gotten so far. some visiting french politics professor called me "white"

01:40:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.0008458 = 1.607 BTC [+]

01:40:55 mircea_popescu: not to do with skin color, but with this 1500s political divide.

01:41:23 asciilifeform: to me 'white' still evokes 'white' vs 'red'

01:42:17 mircea_popescu: well exactly. "pars imperii", and the white rose.

01:42:22 asciilifeform: lol!

01:42:41 mircea_popescu: we're talking some heavy 1125 shit here.

01:43:03 asciilifeform: sure he was french and not herr eco?

01:43:28 mircea_popescu: nevermind that :p

01:43:30 asciilifeform: (any u. eco fans here?)

01:43:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3250 @ 0.00084763 = 2.7548 BTC [+] {2}

01:49:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0330001 = 0.33 BTC [-]

01:54:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11550 @ 0.00084805 = 9.795 BTC [+]

01:55:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.47511 = 0.9502 BTC [+]

01:57:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00084806 = 11.8728 BTC [+] {2}

02:01:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.47511 BTC [+]

02:15:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00084404 = 5.1486 BTC [-] {3}

02:27:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.46904602 = 2.3452 BTC [-] {4}

02:30:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.033 = 0.33 BTC [-]

02:33:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 200 @ 0.0013 = 0.26 BTC [-]

02:39:50 mike_c: ping ThickAsThieves

02:40:35 mike_c: you can use http://www.btcalpha.com/bb_ad.png as is if you want.

02:40:56 mike_c: link it with your ref to the homepage

02:41:26 mike_c: or wait a few days and I'll have a script that you can include in the page that will link it to the bet it is displaying with your ref address.

02:45:55 mike_c: ooh, i see the once a month s.mpoe sale is in effect

02:58:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2426 @ 0.00084342 = 2.0461 BTC [-]

02:59:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.077 = 0.385 BTC [+]

03:01:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07616 = 0.1523 BTC [-] {2}

03:05:33 benkay: lol @ mike_c

03:05:42 benkay: get 'em while they're cheap frrreal

03:06:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 917 @ 0.00084497 = 0.7748 BTC [+]

03:07:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07580996 = 0.379 BTC [-] {5}

03:08:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 80 @ 0.00298124 = 0.2385 BTC [+] {3}

03:13:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @ 0.00084497 = 7.2667 BTC [+]

03:17:42 ThickAsThieves: http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/05/04/peer-to-peer-lender-prosper-marketplace-to-get-70-million-in-funding/?mod=WSJBlog

03:17:43 ozbot: Peer-to-Peer Lender Prosper Marketplace to Get $70 Million in Funding - MoneyBeat - WSJ

03:17:54 ThickAsThieves: "The investment –seven months after a $25-million infusion by Sequoia Capital, BlackRock and other investors—underscores a growing appetite to fuel a fledgling but fast-growing disintermediation of conventional banking."

03:18:03 ThickAsThieves: Prosper is basically an old fiat BTCJam

03:18:24 ThickAsThieves: kinda weird they are now getting two funding deals

03:18:41 ThickAsThieves: "Prosper has originated more than $1 billion in unsecured personal loans. “We will hit our second billion this year,” Mr. Vermut said."

03:25:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1283 @ 0.00084497 = 1.0841 BTC [+]

03:26:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 517 @ 0.00084538 = 0.4371 BTC [+]

03:28:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3050 @ 0.00084538 = 2.5784 BTC [+]

03:33:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 103 @ 0.00120693 = 0.1243 BTC [-] {3}

03:41:46 artifexd: kakobrekla: What is this? http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-05-2014#659679

03:42:11 artifexd: mircea_popescu: The look the same to me. WRT http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2014#660093

03:44:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.06474168 = 0.6474 BTC [-]

04:15:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.03256997 = 0.1954 BTC [-] {2}

04:15:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.03299999 = 0.198 BTC [-] {2}

04:16:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 20 @ 0.03349935 = 0.67 BTC [+]

04:17:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 55 @ 0.0065999 = 0.363 BTC [+]

04:18:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.03349868 = 0.335 BTC [-]

04:33:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 99 @ 0.00289999 = 0.2871 BTC [+]

04:34:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4751101 BTC [+]

04:38:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00084536 = 5.6639 BTC [-] {2}

04:45:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1450 @ 0.00084677 = 1.2278 BTC [+]

04:55:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00084684 = 5.7585 BTC [+] {3}

05:09:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2821 @ 0.00084444 = 2.3822 BTC [-] {3}

05:14:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11618 @ 0.0008481 = 9.8532 BTC [+] {3}

05:18:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07699999 = 0.385 BTC [+] {2}

05:19:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.06474168 = 0.1295 BTC [-]

05:24:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.00084306 = 11.297 BTC [-]

05:27:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7450 @ 0.00084189 = 6.2721 BTC [-] {2}

05:28:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3050 @ 0.00084319 = 2.5717 BTC [+]

05:39:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7415 @ 0.00084169 = 6.2411 BTC [-]

05:40:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0065999 = 0.33 BTC [+]

06:02:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3041 @ 0.00084169 = 2.5596 BTC [-]

06:17:11 Naphex: morning:D

06:17:54 fluffypony: morning Naphex

06:28:00 Naphex: morn fluff

06:34:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1293 @ 0.00084319 = 1.0902 BTC [+]

06:55:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 37 @ 0.0044013 = 0.1628 BTC [-] {8}

06:56:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3258 @ 0.0008429 = 2.7462 BTC [-] {2}

06:57:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5651 @ 0.0008413 = 4.7542 BTC [-]

07:44:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14350 @ 0.00084054 = 12.0617 BTC [-] {3}

07:50:02 Naphex: http://www.prismicide.com/

07:50:02 ozbot: PRISMICIDE - OPEN SECURITY PLATFORM

07:50:47 Naphex: a very nice addition

07:57:41 Naphex: smart cards pretty much naturally integrate with bitcoin

07:59:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.46734 = 1.402 BTC [-] {2}

08:00:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.4655 = 0.931 BTC [-] {2}

08:00:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3764 @ 0.00083948 = 3.1598 BTC [-]

08:02:09 danielpbarron: i recently got one of the openPGP smart cards

08:02:41 danielpbarron: i didn't realize it has a random number generator built in; I find it hard to believe it's cryptographically secure

08:02:57 Naphex: it is pretty much

08:03:05 danielpbarron: considering the amount of work going into cardano

08:03:06 Naphex: i have been working a lot with smart cards/desfire3

08:03:25 Naphex: desfire3 / rfid cards are a bit more secure imho, but there you go

08:03:39 Naphex: still wouldn't store 10000000 bitcoins on it, but its pretty safe and secure for the regulars

08:03:48 Naphex: and deffinetly a step up

08:04:00 danielpbarron: who are "the regulars?"

08:04:14 Naphex: normal people, who want to use bitcoin

08:04:20 danielpbarron: do you mean the individuals who should just stay in FIAT?

08:04:27 danielpbarron: yeah

08:04:57 Naphex: i mean whoever use bitcoin for normal purchases, and would want a 'secure' hot wallet

08:05:02 Naphex: or bitcoin atm users

08:05:13 danielpbarron: what is a "normal purchase?"

08:05:24 Naphex: google play gift cards

08:05:43 Naphex: :)

08:06:11 fluffypony: lol

08:07:02 danielpbarron: !up bawse

08:07:02 assbot: Voicing bawse for 30 minutes.

08:07:57 bawse: Thats nice of you, I really wish you the best and was touched when you accepted my apology.

08:09:04 danielpbarron: is hash-selling still a scam, or did someone figure out a way to make that a legit business?

08:10:15 Naphex: anyway regarding smart cards and rng, for bitcoin is not that much worry-some cause you can just store your private key on it and use that to sign the transactions

08:10:30 random_cat_: anyone know the software (i think meteor based) developed at MIT (i think, maybe at cambridge) which allows for data protection against a hostile server operator?

08:10:46 Naphex: so you can use whatever rng and store/transmit it securely

08:10:49 danielpbarron: Naphex: how are you generating the private key?

08:11:33 Naphex: danielpbarron: if i'm bored i'd roll the dice and upload it on the card using a clean linux/busybox boot ;]

08:11:41 danielpbarron: i assumed that a built-in RNG on the card meant that the key was generated on the card

08:11:43 Naphex: on an offline computer, in a lead room

08:11:55 Naphex: danielpbarron: nah the card can sign the transactions

08:12:08 Naphex: you can if you want use the rng to generate a priv key, but you can just as well upload one

08:12:26 danielpbarron: then how is that secure?

08:12:38 danielpbarron: if the infected computer can just write to the card

08:12:58 random_cat_: my google foo is failing me

08:13:16 Naphex: danielpbarron: you realize you can lock the card down in lots of ways after

08:13:32 danielpbarron: i don't know very much about smart cards

08:13:33 Naphex: if you want you can do SmartOS auth before writeing a key, or just burn it down to read only

08:13:41 Naphex: so it can never be written again

08:13:53 Naphex: the point is, you can get the smart card to just sign transactions

08:14:02 Naphex: removing you and your pc from your private key

08:14:09 danielpbarron: i get that part

08:14:13 Naphex: thats it

08:14:41 danielpbarron: don't you also need cryptographically secure RNG to do the signing?

08:15:51 jurov: !up PsychoticBoy

08:15:51 assbot: Insufficient rights, jurov, !up yourself on PM first.

08:16:32 jurov: !up PsychoticBoy

08:16:32 assbot: Voicing PsychoticBoy for 30 minutes.

08:17:26 Naphex: danielpbarron: not for signing

08:17:36 Naphex: only for generating keys

08:17:59 bawse: hash selling is legit

08:18:30 dub: drugs r bad mkay

08:18:37 bawse: for people who do not have btc and want cloud mining

08:18:58 bawse: ie, the newbies

08:19:23 dub: you just invent the PMB

08:19:30 bawse: !up dignork

08:19:30 assbot: Insufficient rights, bawse, !up yourself on PM first.

08:19:44 mircea_popescu: !up dignork

08:19:44 assbot: Voicing dignork for 30 minutes.

08:19:56 dub: big !up yoself

08:20:10 bawse: dub what is pmb

08:20:56 dub: bawse: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67547.0

08:21:00 mircea_popescu: o lordy.

08:21:11 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2012/the-problem-with-pmbs-ie-perpetual-mining-bonds/

08:21:12 ozbot: The problem with PMBs, ie “Perpetual Mining Bonds” pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

08:21:16 mircea_popescu: wrong link dub :D

08:21:35 dub: mine tells the same tale

08:21:38 jurov: ;;gettrust assbot PsychoticBoy

08:21:38 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask PsychoticBoy!sid27029@pdpc/supporter/active/psychoticboy. Trust relationship from user assbot to user PsychoticBoy: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=PsychoticBoy | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=PsychoticBoy | Rated since: Tue May 1 14:39:15 2012

08:22:26 mircea_popescu: either that or ends up with some guy investing :D

08:25:00 jurov: ;;rate PsychoticBoy 1 one of the first coinbr users

08:25:01 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user PsychoticBoy has been recorded.

08:25:26 bawse: im only selling hashing power through cex in the hopes of selling 1gh for the price of 2, hoping the person signs up under my link so i can make 3% of what he buys in the future. and also initially buy 1gh with the extra $3.31 i charged. Plus PMB's are tales of people who do not know how to cash out BTC at $165 more than they are worth like I do.

08:25:48 mircea_popescu: so you're special.

08:25:52 bawse: no

08:26:29 bawse: im just saying if my 1583gh cointerra only makes 32 or .09 in this market, i can make $60 with .09

08:26:41 bawse: so im ok with this. others are not ok.

08:28:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00084412 = 7.4283 BTC [+] {2}

08:29:15 mircea_popescu: myeah. since 2012, the exact sort of nonsense has been field by the exact sort of people involved in pmbs.

08:29:25 Naphex: danielpbarron: to clarify, when you do ECDSA signatures you do need 1 random integer (required to be different) called K, but even in most bitcoin implementation it is generated deterministcally d

08:29:32 bawse: im not involved in pmbs

08:29:33 mircea_popescu: i imagine sooner or later you'll figure things out.

08:29:47 bawse: hopefully sooner

08:30:35 mircea_popescu: ;;later peterl i disagree btw. while i'm pretty sure quantum computing is the exact equivalent of perpetuum mobile, only we don't have the three rules of quantum compudynamics yet, cold fusion may or may not be in the same situation. maybe we discover something about lasers that makes containment work, who knows.

08:30:36 gribble: Error: The "Later" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "peterl" in it. Try "list Later" to see the commands in the "Later" plugin.

08:30:41 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell peterl i disagree btw. while i'm pretty sure quantum computing is the exact equivalent of perpetuum mobile, only we don't have the three rules of quantum compudynamics yet, cold fusion may or may not be in the same situation. maybe we discover something about lasers that makes containment work, who knows.

08:30:42 gribble: The operation succeeded.

08:32:43 random_cat_: perhaps someone here is interested in http://eprint.iacr.org/2014/257.pdf

08:33:16 mircea_popescu: i wish i recalled the url of fluffypony's pdf crusher

08:33:45 Naphex: mircea_popescu: try this https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:ropQbwlg0-8J:eprint.iacr.org/2014/257.pdf+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ro

08:33:56 mircea_popescu: aty

08:34:21 mircea_popescu: Bruce Kallick Curmudgeon Associates << yay

08:35:55 mircea_popescu: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmpSMWRCMAAe5LP.png:large << gotta love amateur statistics.

08:36:05 mircea_popescu: televisions are more than 100% cheaper nao, don't you know.

08:36:25 Naphex: thats nice cause i broke mine a week ago:(

08:36:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07797899 = 0.156 BTC [+] {2}

08:36:50 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: it's not ready for prime timez yet

08:39:14 fluffypony: http://pdfnomo.re/257/

08:39:18 fluffypony: manually crunched

08:40:06 mircea_popescu: http://news.liveandinvestoverseas.com/microsoft-challenges-search-warrants-abroad/

08:40:09 mircea_popescu: check that shit out

08:40:09 ozbot: Microsoft Challenges U.S. Search... - Live And Invest Overseas News

08:40:24 mircea_popescu: magistrate judges. they aren't judges in any sense, but they think they may opine on matters.

08:41:11 mircea_popescu: also in the news, what men are and how they work : https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bm0Rwc9CcAEsUfy.jpg:large

08:44:15 mircea_popescu: !up tank100

08:44:15 assbot: Voicing tank100 for 30 minutes.

08:44:18 mircea_popescu: !up wywialm

08:44:18 assbot: Voicing wywialm for 30 minutes.

08:44:32 wywialm: hello

08:44:46 HeySteve2: morning

08:44:49 wywialm: just authenticated

08:45:05 HeySteve2: Shackleton's original ad? epic

08:45:15 mircea_popescu: %diff

08:45:17 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 455357.13 Est. Next Diff: 140875.36 in 1608 blocks (#32256) Est. % Change: -69.06

08:45:17 mircea_popescu: HeySteve2 aye.

08:45:24 mircea_popescu: wywialm hey. you know how to up yourself yet ?

08:45:32 mircea_popescu: %block

08:45:43 mircea_popescu: %mined

08:45:44 atcbot: [ATC Mined] Current: 15691264 Total ATC (to be mined): 268435456 % Mined of Total: 5.85

08:45:56 wywialm: ofc, i just had to authenticate

08:45:58 mircea_popescu: %lb

08:45:58 atcbot: [ATC Last Block] Height: 30648 Time: 2014-05-05T08:30:22Z Vout Sum: 512 Number TXs: 1 Difficulty: 455357.12903751 Hash: 00000000000005602eb8602ae9b1dd97624573f1a7d520feb684a95219cd4da1 Fee: 0.00000000 Size: 204 Days Destroyed: 0 Confirmations: 1

08:46:02 mircea_popescu: a ok just makin sure.

08:47:19 wywialm: thx anyway for up :)

08:47:56 mircea_popescu: ;)

08:57:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1750 @ 0.00084239 = 1.4742 BTC [-]

08:58:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 619 @ 0.00083986 = 0.5199 BTC [-]

08:59:00 random_cat_: are there any search engines that work any more? :|

09:00:10 mircea_popescu: notrly.

09:01:38 Naphex: mircea_popescu: regarding DNS2address resolve for bitcoin, i am setting up an updated example that includes support for BIP32 xpub keys for address derivation

09:02:06 mircea_popescu: document it.

09:02:18 Naphex: very usefull, especially for payments processing and account resolve

09:02:29 Naphex: you could encode pub key to specifiy user_id on a deposit system

09:02:52 Naphex: then it can just derive xN payments for that specific user while reusing addresses each time

09:03:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07553694 = 0.7554 BTC [-]

09:03:13 Naphex: tree would be MasterWallet/User_ID/Payment_ID

09:03:26 Naphex: listener can just scan xpubs, while only remembering last payment id

09:03:38 Naphex: could throw that all in cold wallets and just do realtime processing

09:04:12 Naphex: i will prolly document it after i have a full working example, prolly with some client front end to demo it

09:04:49 mircea_popescu: it sounds great but you want to have it looked at by multiple pairs of eyes.

09:05:00 Naphex: ofcourse

09:05:13 Naphex: just ironing it out

09:05:16 mircea_popescu: cool.

09:06:06 wywialm: mircea_popescu, is the rating of 10 appropriate to reflect the fact that I operate numerisTrade account? Or should I set the rating to 1 not to prop up "total trust" (I'm aware that total trust should not be taken into account heavily, but still..)

09:06:17 mircea_popescu: wywialm i'd say its adequate

09:06:19 mircea_popescu: !up pactr

09:06:19 assbot: Voicing pactr for 30 minutes.

09:06:30 mircea_popescu: ;;rated nanotube

09:06:31 gribble: You rated user nanotube on Wed Aug 3 15:08:50 2011, with a rating of 10, and supplied these additional notes: owner of otc and all around reasonable guy.

09:06:57 mircea_popescu: that's a for instance. i know enough about the guy to tell you that if you're using the wot you're implicitly trusting him.

09:08:14 wywialm: i'm asking cause I was just accused in the -otc of shilling

09:08:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6850 @ 0.00083986 = 5.753 BTC [-]

09:08:18 mircea_popescu: you're in a similar situation with your own thing

09:08:27 mircea_popescu: ya well what do they know.

09:09:28 wywialm: thanks anyway

09:10:10 mircea_popescu: anyway they should chillax, plenty of people have a ton of meaningless -10s

09:10:20 mircea_popescu: ;;getrating [\\\]

09:10:21 gribble: Error: "\\\" is not a valid command.

09:10:55 mircea_popescu: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=anduck&sign=ANY&type=RECV

09:10:56 ozbot: Rating Details for User 'anduck'

09:10:56 mircea_popescu: there

09:13:14 fluffypony: wywialm: don't get fussed over -otc, they throw tantrums about how to rate every few days lately

09:13:16 wywialm: I see what you mean :)

09:13:38 fluffypony: even after having things pointed out they like to argue minutiae and wording on the wiki

09:13:55 mircea_popescu: there's htis wiki mentality thing

09:14:05 mircea_popescu: i mean people usually derp about how bad trolls are on the internet

09:14:13 mircea_popescu: trolls ain't bad. wikiheads are much much worse.

09:14:44 fluffypony: lol

09:14:44 fluffypony: !up wywialm

09:14:44 assbot: Insufficient rights, fluffypony, !up yourself on PM first.

09:14:50 fluffypony: !up

09:14:50 assbot: Need a nickname, fluffypony.

09:14:54 mircea_popescu: !down fluffypony

09:14:57 mircea_popescu: woot :D

09:15:08 fluffypony: weird

09:15:12 fluffypony: !up wywialm

09:15:12 assbot: Voicing wywialm without time-limit.

09:15:17 mircea_popescu: o hey let's try that other thing btw.

09:15:20 mircea_popescu: !up mircea_popescu

09:15:20 assbot: Really, mircea_popescu?

09:15:24 mircea_popescu: gah

09:15:45 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I'm keen, give me details

09:16:02 mircea_popescu: it used to be that if you uped yourself for 30 mins, anyone could down you and it stuck. then kako broke it.

09:16:41 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves money laundering is the only conceivable explanation.

09:17:13 mircea_popescu: artifexd is one a penguin and the other a flashing gif ?

09:18:11 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron: considering the amount of work going into cardano << secure is a relative, not an absolute term.

09:18:54 artifexd: At the time they were both keyrings. Right now, http://pool.sks-keyservers.net/ looks like it hasn't been configured.

09:19:06 mircea_popescu: artifexd i mean the favicon strictly.

09:19:43 artifexd: In which case, no. I have something that looks like a stylized R.

09:19:46 artifexd: On both.

09:19:52 mircea_popescu: what the glowing fuck.

09:20:09 artifexd: They both look vastly different than earlier.

09:20:46 mircea_popescu: there is some skulldruggery going on here. 1 sec i show you.

09:20:48 artifexd: Seriously. I'm getting "This is the default web page for this server." on the port 80 url.

09:20:52 fluffypony: me too

09:21:08 fluffypony: port 11371 works

09:21:14 fluffypony: but that's changed in the past hour

09:21:24 artifexd: Yeah. No css at all anymore.

09:21:35 fluffypony: css here

09:21:49 fluffypony: it looked like that standard key server interface earlier, now it has css

09:22:22 punkman: I'm getting metalgamer.eu on http://pool.sks-keyservers.net/

09:23:04 artifexd: I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that something is screwy.

09:23:18 mircea_popescu: artifexd http://fraudsters.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/weird.png

09:23:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15750 @ 0.00084169 = 13.2566 BTC [+]

09:23:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.03152036 = 0.2837 BTC [-] {4}

09:23:38 mircea_popescu: so. the plain domain has a penguin. the :11371 however has a changing icon

09:23:41 artifexd: What do you see for this: http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/favicon.ico

09:23:52 artifexd: And this: http://pool.sks-keyservers.net/favicon.ico

09:23:57 fluffypony: page not found on the first

09:23:58 mircea_popescu: 404 nginx

09:24:04 fluffypony: key icon on the second

09:24:09 mircea_popescu: both

09:24:16 Apocalyptic: so no fraudsters article regarding that convo with bitcoingirl I guess

09:24:21 punkman: wtf is metalgamer.eu

09:24:26 mircea_popescu: this is some fucking dns absurdity in here

09:24:37 mircea_popescu: is the keyserver being discreetely attacked ?

09:24:46 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic nah.

09:24:47 artifexd: I get the R. But when I paste the url to imgur, it shows a key.

09:24:51 fluffypony: maybe they're just reinstalling

09:25:00 mircea_popescu: fluffypony no cause same bs happened last night too

09:25:14 fluffypony: oh

09:25:15 fluffypony: wow

09:25:16 mircea_popescu: there ios some possibility someone is using the favicon to track people visiting the server

09:25:22 fluffypony: it has like 10 A records

09:25:56 fluffypony: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=8424Segg

09:26:02 fluffypony: so DNS round robin

09:26:05 fluffypony: and some of the servers are broken

09:26:13 artifexd: It is resolving to 82.15.145.10 for me.

09:26:52 artifexd: Which is not on that list.

09:26:56 fluffypony: yeah

09:27:05 mircea_popescu: http://g.etfv.co/http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/favicon.ico << this for instance

09:27:10 mircea_popescu: yields etfv's OWN favicon

09:27:31 mircea_popescu: (and so does google's service yield google's favicon)

09:27:33 random_cat_: finally found it: Mylar from MIT

09:27:41 random_cat_: yay for browser history

09:28:30 punkman: http://i.imgur.com/5rXwnI3.png

09:30:05 fluffypony: definitely DNS round robin borking

09:30:18 mircea_popescu: so this is beyond suspicious.

09:30:25 Apocalyptic: punkman, seems legit

09:31:02 bounce: all zat fanzy vheb teknologie

09:31:14 mircea_popescu: anyone got fiskerstrand on a list ?

09:33:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 89 @ 0.00120125 = 0.1069 BTC [-] {4}

09:34:34 mircea_popescu: i see 37.44.179.12 ftr.

09:36:44 mircea_popescu: (also not on the list)

09:45:19 random_cat_: have you tried some looking glass sites?

09:51:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4150 @ 0.00084453 = 3.5048 BTC [+]

10:01:20 bounce: http://edition.cnn.com/2014/05/04/us/florida-goblin-shark/

10:01:20 ozbot: Shrimper who caught rare goblin shark: "Man, he's ugly" - CNN.com

10:15:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.03310666 = 0.1986 BTC [-] {3}

10:26:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 39 @ 0.03257564 = 1.2704 BTC [-] {10}

10:35:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00084453 = 7.5163 BTC [+]

10:43:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00084447 = 3.0401 BTC [-]

10:51:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1250 @ 0.00084305 = 1.0538 BTC [-]

11:01:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00083986 = 4.7032 BTC [-]

11:23:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2650 @ 0.00083986 = 2.2256 BTC [-]

11:46:31 fluffypony: speaking of DNS

11:46:31 fluffypony: http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/google_announcement.png

11:51:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3121 @ 0.00014072 = 0.4392 BTC [-] {6}

12:00:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14465 @ 0.00084242 = 12.1856 BTC [+] {4}

12:01:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11154 @ 0.00084628 = 9.4394 BTC [+] {3}

12:11:36 random_cat_: mircea_popescu didn't get the memo :D

12:14:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.03317899 = 0.2323 BTC [+] {2}

12:32:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3481 @ 0.00084745 = 2.95 BTC [+]

12:33:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 52 @ 0.00610025 = 0.3172 BTC [-] {4}

12:33:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4981 @ 0.00084355 = 4.2017 BTC [-] {2}

12:34:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 738 @ 0.00083948 = 0.6195 BTC [-]

12:44:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07797989 = 0.4679 BTC [+]

12:44:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.03226167 = 0.2581 BTC [-] {2}

12:46:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00083948 = 7.8911 BTC [-] {2}

12:48:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 225 @ 0.00601001 = 1.3523 BTC [-] {2}

13:03:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.06474168 = 0.1295 BTC [-]

13:07:16 jurov: i just got informed that neisseria meningitis was found in my throat, now im reading wikipedia:

13:07:20 jurov: Though it initially produces general symptoms like fatigue, it can rapidly progress from fever, headache and neck stiffness to coma and death.

13:07:27 jurov: Death occurs in approximately 10% of cases.

13:07:34 jurov: *breathes heavily*

13:08:44 jurov: and to think i had sore throad on and off for months

13:08:48 jurov: *throat

13:08:59 fluffypony: coma and death?

13:09:04 fluffypony: that's crazy

13:09:07 fluffypony: :/

13:09:23 fluffypony: is it easy to treat?

13:09:30 jurov: got atb

13:15:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.0008491 = 5.8588 BTC [+] {2}

13:16:29 jurov: and that's like fourth time i got completely improbable bacteria diagnosed, including some special superbacteria from iraq

13:23:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07797989 = 0.2339 BTC [+]

13:29:25 ThickAsThieves: I guess the japanese horror movies were right, baby blood does make you younger http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/05/science/young-blood-may-hold-key-to-reversing-aging.html?_r=1

13:29:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 35 @ 0.07798863 = 2.7296 BTC [+] {4}

13:30:12 ThickAsThieves: it's happening! http://www.coindesk.com/fidor-becomes-first-bank-to-use-ripple-payment-protocol/

13:30:59 davout: ThickAsThieves: wonder how that will be implemented tho

13:31:35 davout: EUR IOUs are basically e-money, so it's either

13:31:40 davout: they let anyone hold them

13:31:51 davout: or they let only known customers hold them

13:32:05 davout: former case they're ripe for ML abuse and whatnot

13:32:16 davout: latter case there's not much point

13:33:14 Apocalyptic: ripple lobby has achieved a feat here

13:33:16 davout: it's interesting that they do that since ripple will then be a direct competitor to both kraken and bitcoin.de

13:33:27 Apocalyptic: yeah davout

13:33:41 Apocalyptic: totally consistent business outlook

13:33:54 davout: (and to bitcoin-central as well obv. but they have no stake in it, so that's not really the same)

13:34:20 ThickAsThieves: <+davout> or they let only known customers hold them //// itll be this

13:34:26 Apocalyptic: maybe they don't want to have all the egs in the same basket

13:34:45 davout: mebbe

13:36:41 ThickAsThieves: i dont like it nonetheless

13:37:04 ThickAsThieves: bitcoin works for the same purposes and it isn't owned by a company

13:37:30 davout: ThickAsThieves: i don't really see anything wrong with ripple as long as you take it for what it actually is : a mechanism to transmit debt, for which you have to buy stamps from a single company

13:38:04 davout: ThickAsThieves: bitcoin doesn't work for the "same purposes", bitcoin is about cash, ripple is about debt

13:38:40 ThickAsThieves: well in the case of their own stated purpose, the difference is semantic, no?

13:38:50 ThickAsThieves: they wanna use it to send money fast all over the place

13:39:19 davout: well, for certain values of money it works, for the ones we're interested in it's irrelevant

13:39:44 davout: it's just in the continuation of debt money, it's not really a competitor to bitcoin in any way

13:40:04 ThickAsThieves: “Ripple enables us to securely and instantly send money anywhere in the world at no additional cost and through the same customer facing products and relationships we offer today.”

13:40:15 Apocalyptic: <davout> it's just in the continuation of debt money, it's not really a competitor to bitcoin in any way << this

13:40:15 ThickAsThieves: no additional cost?

13:40:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.07799076 = 1.1699 BTC [+] {2}

13:40:46 davout: it's the "anywhere in the world" part that's misleading, that's not actually true, the cash EUR never leaves fidor

13:41:05 ThickAsThieves: i'm not stating it as a competitor to bitcoin, so much as the reverse

13:41:54 Apocalyptic: <ThickAsThieves> bitcoin works for the same purposes and it isn't owned by a company

13:41:58 Apocalyptic: you stated it right there

13:42:40 ThickAsThieves: ?

13:42:51 ThickAsThieves: anyway, ripple is lam

13:42:56 ThickAsThieves: lame

13:43:01 Apocalyptic: that we can agree on

13:43:26 ThickAsThieves: i guess i just missed where we disagreed

13:43:32 pankkake: well, ripple's altcoin, XRP, is arguably cash

13:43:46 pankkake: except it's closer to Bernankoin's cash than to Bitcoin's cash

13:44:02 Apocalyptic: pankkake, the thing is XRP is bound to be depleted

13:44:08 pankkake: you can also create other altcoins in ripple

13:44:26 Apocalyptic: and then the rest of tx will be realised through debt transmission

13:44:50 Apocalyptic: ThickAsThieves, <ThickAsThieves> bitcoin works for the same purpose // I argue the purpose is clearly different

13:45:02 Apocalyptic: it may look like they want to achieve the same things, but they don't

13:45:07 ThickAsThieves: you misinterpret 'purpose'

13:45:27 ThickAsThieves: i meant the tool can be used the same way

13:45:33 ThickAsThieves: not the mission is shared

13:45:45 Apocalyptic: then I guess I did

13:45:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9450 @ 0.00084948 = 8.0276 BTC [+]

13:48:09 davout: pankkake: "well, ripple's altcoin, XRP, is arguably cash" <<< yes

13:49:06 Apocalyptic: note that XRP is destroyed for each tx

13:49:35 davout: pankkake: "you can also create other altcoins in ripple <<< i don't think so or i misunderstand sthg

13:49:50 davout: Apocalyptic: that fits the definition of a stamp

13:49:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2800 @ 0.00084948 = 2.3785 BTC [+]

13:50:32 pankkake: davout: the trick is to create a currency and not do anything with it

13:51:18 davout: pankkake: well then it's just some IOU for nothing, not really an altcoin in the sense that it doesn't work in the same ways cryptos do

13:51:43 pankkake: but bitcoin is also an IOU for nothing

13:51:57 davout: but it works with a blockchain

13:52:27 davout: i guess if that's what you define as an "altcoin" then we are in agreement

13:53:14 ThickAsThieves: heh a major investor of Ripple is also one for Pando

13:53:16 ThickAsThieves: http://pando.com/2014/05/05/ripple-announces-integration-with-germanys-fidor-bank-ushering-in-a-future-of-near-instant-and-free-global-money-transfer/

13:53:23 ThickAsThieves: "[Disclosure: Andreessen Horowitz partners Marc Andreessen, Jeff Jordan, and Chris Dixon are investors in Pando.]"

13:54:13 davout: i really am curious to see how that will actually work

13:54:17 ThickAsThieves: " Smart money, however, is on the fact that today’s Fidor announcement will be the first domino in a long chain of such adoptions.

13:54:17 ThickAsThieves: Just like data wants to be free, money wants to move like data. Ripple is looking more and more like the rails on which that money will move."

13:54:35 ThickAsThieves: such unbias

13:55:39 Apocalyptic: .d

13:55:39 ozbot: 8.001 billion | Next Diff in 1173 blocks | Estimated Change: 3.9776% in 7d 19h 27m 48s

13:56:40 ThickAsThieves: Estimated Next Difficulty: 8,676,109,949 (+8.44%)

14:03:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23174 @ 0.00084784 = 19.6478 BTC [-] {4}

14:05:10 fluffypony: someone should write an article loudly claiming Apple is buying Ripple and they'll be calling it Rapple

14:05:38 pankkake: write for Coinion :)

14:05:44 ThickAsThieves: maybe if Ripple were traded on Havelock

14:05:47 fluffypony: lol

14:07:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 538 @ 0.00087878 = 0.4728 BTC [+] {5}

14:08:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 200 @ 0.00088099 = 0.1762 BTC [+] {2}

14:09:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 200 @ 0.00087008 = 0.174 BTC [-] {2}

14:12:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46000 @ 0.00084943 = 39.0738 BTC [+] {3}

14:13:23 pankkake: !up bitcoingirl

14:13:23 assbot: Insufficient rights, pankkake, !up yourself on PM first.

14:13:44 davout: !up bitcoingirl

14:13:44 assbot: Voicing bitcoingirl for 30 minutes.

14:14:31 bitcoingirl: Hi doesn't anyone have any thoughts on the SaveGox campaign?

14:15:44 bitcoingirl: or doesn't any know the status of the class action law suits?

14:16:18 pankkake: the question is what is there to save

14:16:28 mod6: ^

14:16:35 ThickAsThieves: i think, while it seems silly, Gox probably does have some brand equity

14:16:42 mod6: or why would it be worth saving at all?

14:16:43 pankkake: the userbase doesn't like mtgox. it always sucked

14:17:00 bitcoingirl: as far as making investors whole again

14:17:04 ThickAsThieves: but i dont think that equity is with big players

14:17:10 bitcoingirl: http://www.savegox.com/?page_id=51

14:17:15 ThickAsThieves: that doesnt mean there isnt money to be made

14:17:16 bitcoingirl: vs liquidation

14:17:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 410 @ 0.00084987 = 0.3484 BTC [+]

14:17:49 bitcoingirl: <+ThickAsThieves> right, that's the argument

14:18:01 jurov: there is *no way* to make investors whole again

14:18:17 jurov: or, what do you mean with it bitcoingirl?

14:18:57 ThickAsThieves: making investors whole is indeed unlikely, but it's also impossible if they liquidate

14:20:11 ThickAsThieves: it's very difficult to tell how much more money could be put back into users' hands though

14:20:30 ThickAsThieves: could end up being 10% more over 5 years

14:20:36 ThickAsThieves: and then it fizzles and dies

14:20:53 bitcoingirl: Karples hasn't agreed to the settlement, why do you think he would rather liquidate?

14:20:59 ThickAsThieves: because work

14:21:18 bitcoingirl: not because he could be prosecuted?

14:21:27 davout: could he?

14:21:36 ThickAsThieves: he cant avoid that if he is

14:22:05 ThickAsThieves: who the hell wants to run the new mt gox with such a cloud and debt hanging over its head

14:22:24 Naphex: lawyers!

14:22:35 bitcoingirl: the settlement has a "Prosecution Fund" provision that would go after stolen customer assets

14:22:35 ThickAsThieves: i guess

14:22:36 Naphex: sharks

14:22:55 bitcoingirl: Sunlot Holdings was formed for this very reason

14:25:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03269759 = 0.2289 BTC [+]

14:28:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 14 @ 0.46514286 = 6.512 BTC [-] {4}

14:29:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 16 @ 0.46000287 = 7.36 BTC [-] {3}

14:30:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.45161666 = 5.4194 BTC [-] {5}

14:36:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5940 @ 0.00084811 = 5.0378 BTC [-]

14:38:16 ThickAsThieves: fluffypony thank you for your question suggestions for the Bitcoin2014 conference

14:38:32 fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: pleasure, I couldn't think of any others offhand

14:47:49 Naphex: !up bitcoingirl

14:47:49 assbot: Voicing bitcoingirl for 30 minutes.

14:48:21 Naphex: bitcoingirl: you should learn about gpg and WoT and stuff if you're gonna hang ;]

14:48:30 Naphex: or you might lose that + and won't be able to talk in channel

14:49:14 pankkake: ;;gpg info bitcoingirl

14:49:14 gribble: User 'BitcoinGirl', with keyid None, fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 1MYtkWgJifWpLdjiK7AcLgGUhZNP297orA, registered on Sun Apr 7 20:05:51 2013, last authed on Sun Apr 7 18:05:51 2013. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=BitcoinGirl . Currently not authenticated.

14:49:45 Naphex: might be some different bitcoin girl ;]

14:50:06 pankkake: yeah

14:50:25 Naphex: bitcoingirl: http://bitcoin-otc.com/trust.php / http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_bitcoin-assets-new-wot-and-voice-model.html / http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/OTC_Rating_System

14:50:41 pankkake: ;;gpg info bitcoinguy

14:50:42 gribble: User 'bitcoinGuy', with keyid None, fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 13Q4dgxB8g15Kfd2hjGqs2tviJq7kCAFic, registered on Mon Nov 25 11:26:03 2013, last authed on Mon Nov 25 11:26:03 2013. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=bitcoinGuy . Currently not authenticated.

14:50:46 pankkake: waaah

14:50:52 pankkake: ;;gpg info bitcoinwhiteguy

14:50:54 gribble: No such user registered.

14:54:38 jurov: ;;gpg info bitcoinnigga

14:54:38 gribble: No such user registered.

14:54:46 jurov: ;;gpg info bitcoingypsy

14:54:46 gribble: No such user registered.

14:55:26 pankkake: ;;gpg info bitcoinfag

14:55:26 gribble: No such user registered.

14:55:44 pankkake: there's still opportunities

14:55:52 Naphex: haha

14:55:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6971 @ 0.00084811 = 5.9122 BTC [-]

14:56:24 fluffypony: hah

14:56:33 bitcoinfag: taken :D

14:56:38 fluffypony: Duke poster arriving 3...2....1....

14:56:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2322 @ 0.00085028 = 1.9744 BTC [+] {2}

14:57:35 jurov: !up kermit

14:57:35 assbot: Voicing kermit for 30 minutes.

14:58:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15383 @ 0.0008504 = 13.0817 BTC [+] {2}

15:01:13 asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2014/05/nsa-tempest-01-02-oct-02.pdf

15:01:17 asciilifeform: heavily censored, naturally.

15:02:35 ThickAsThieves: information so free that it can't be seen

15:03:09 asciilifeform: small summary: http://cryptome.org/nsa-tempest.htm

15:08:32 asciilifeform: in other news:

15:08:33 asciilifeform: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/05/statecraft-or-witchcraft.html

15:08:33 ozbot: ClubOrlov: Statecraft or Witchcraft?

15:11:45 jurov: How was the US State Department been busy in Ukraine?

15:12:09 asciilifeform: jurov: this topic isn't particularly mysterious - beaten to death in open literature.

15:12:26 Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, any idea why cryptome is still up ?

15:12:53 asciilifeform: Apocalyptic: aside from the obvious fact that 99+% of the material found there is junk - no idea.

15:13:03 pankkake: can't stop the signal

15:13:23 Apocalyptic: can stop the .org domain definitely

15:14:53 ThickAsThieves: http://www.pfhub.com/wisconsin-political-candidate-mark-clear-returns-bitcoin-donations-654/

15:14:54 ozbot: Wisconsin political candidate Mark Clear returns bitcoin donations

15:14:55 ThickAsThieves: lol

15:18:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.00085081 = 11.4009 BTC [+] {2}

15:21:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16700 @ 0.00085129 = 14.2165 BTC [+] {2}

15:23:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.07500756 = 7.5008 BTC [-] {16}

15:23:59 jurov: well, if orlov's right, russia is right on way to extens its eugenic program to whole eurasia soon

15:24:23 jurov: does it at least have more citizens than 100 years ago?

15:25:41 jurov: really, all these slaughters of own citizens..what other purpose it could have then eugenics?

15:25:47 jurov: *than

15:29:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00084811 = 3.6469 BTC [-]

15:29:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.07135379 = 7.1354 BTC [-] {11}

15:29:47 jurov: lol they'll cotinue with it on ukraine and with bonus convince everyone incl. orlov that "them us puppets ordered that"

15:31:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00084811 = 7.9722 BTC [-]

15:31:54 thestringpuller: wow tons of capital vacated MPOE

15:33:16 mike_c: well, didn't you hear? mp is extradited to antartica to face AEC security fraud charges.

15:33:56 fluffypony: I believe "they" are on "their" way to arrest him right this minute

15:34:07 jurov: should i hde, too?

15:34:10 jurov: *hide

15:34:23 fluffypony: hide yo wife, hide yo kids, coz they're raping erry-one out there

15:34:28 ThickAsThieves: nope, just keep contracting rare illnesses

15:34:28 mike_c: probably. antartica is coming down hard on all btc bizness

15:34:31 ThickAsThieves: you'll be fine

15:34:31 davout_: mike_c: lelz

15:35:04 pankkake: understandable, it's melting because of it

15:35:11 fluffypony: yes

15:35:17 fluffypony: which is MP's fault, I'm told

15:35:25 jurov: wut, 40BTC is meltdown?

15:35:30 fluffypony: because bitcoin...electricity...heat...uh....

15:35:55 Apocalyptic: jurov, like an iceberg, it's melting under the water

15:35:56 ThickAsThieves: probably just someone has a buttload of mpoe and unloads once in a while when they can

15:35:56 thestringpuller: wtf are AEC charges?

15:36:13 mike_c: antartica exchange commission. duh.

15:36:25 thestringpuller: pomodoro...

15:36:56 thestringpuller: ;;seen benkay

15:36:56 gribble: benkay was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 12 hours, 31 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: <benkay> get 'em while they're cheap frrreal

15:37:01 thestringpuller: ;;ticker

15:37:02 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 429.95, Best ask: 429.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.04000, Last trade: 429.99, 24 hour volume: 7341.92636950, 24 hour low: 425.0, 24 hour high: 445.0, 24 hour vwap: 435.070993586

15:37:06 thestringpuller: nice

15:37:16 fluffypony: the charge sheet is right there with the INTERPOL RED CARD that the ref has given Danny

15:37:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.0714004 = 1.071 BTC [+] {2}

15:37:49 ThickAsThieves: http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/forget-logging-facebook-bitid-lets-sign-bitcoin-address/2014/05/05

15:38:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 115 @ 0.07068462 = 8.1287 BTC [-] {12}

15:38:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14163 @ 0.00085146 = 12.0592 BTC [+] {3}

15:39:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25313 @ 0.00085193 = 21.5649 BTC [+] {2}

15:39:49 ThickAsThieves: fluffypony huh? I don't even see Danny wanted in Cyprus on Interpol

15:40:08 fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: that's the thing

15:40:19 fluffypony: who was that guy clamouring aboout it

15:40:40 ThickAsThieves: lolstate?

15:40:52 ThickAsThieves: dude is probly jimmothy or some other toxic actor

15:41:13 fluffypony: "blackkys"

15:41:13 fluffypony: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=324177

15:41:14 ozbot: View the profile of blackkys

15:41:16 fluffypony: that dude

15:41:40 fluffypony: "Also European and International arrest warrants have been issued together with an Interpol Red Notice."

15:41:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.077 = 0.231 BTC [-]

15:41:53 fluffypony: then when he's pressured to demonstrate that these exist he just keeps batting it away

15:42:05 fluffypony: because Danny has committed a Very Seriouz Felony (tm)

15:42:44 ThickAsThieves: :/

15:42:46 pankkake: will it stop once they can't try to pump neobeeQ anymore?

15:43:02 ThickAsThieves: who knows

15:43:06 mike_c: in 17 minutes?

15:43:20 mike_c: we will see shortly.

15:44:00 mike_c: if anyone here is doing that history of failures, you should screen grab the neebeeq stuff quick

15:44:35 pankkake: there is assbot log

15:45:06 mike_c: yeah, i was thinking of lulzy havelock updates and what-not. i guess those are probably preserved in bitcointa.lk somewhere.

15:45:12 pankkake: oh right

15:45:14 pankkake: !t h neobeeq

15:45:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK:NEOBEEQ] 1D: 0.00001261 / 1.277E-5 / 0.00001700 (17434 shares, 0.22257403 BTC), 7D: 0.00001261 / 2.149E-5 / 0.00006970 (205360 shares, 4.41329943 BTC), 30D: 0.00001261 / 0.00011594 / 0.00045000 (675713 shares, 78.33886123 BTC)

15:45:39 pankkake: I guess that's the value of drama

15:47:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.4508002 = 2.254 BTC [-] {3}

15:48:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 46 @ 0.0044301 = 0.2038 BTC [+]

15:53:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 102 @ 0.00443005 = 0.4519 BTC [-] {3}

15:57:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 31 @ 0.07778191 = 2.4112 BTC [+] {3}

16:00:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.65503744 BTC to 8`448 shares, 31428 satoshi per share

16:01:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17050 @ 0.0008526 = 14.5368 BTC [+] {3}

16:02:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] [PAID] 23.70000000 BTC to 30`000`000 shares, 79 satoshi per share

16:05:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3065 @ 0.00014052 = 0.4307 BTC [-] {5}

16:05:52 chetty: http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2014/05/05/department-defense-to-study-bitcoin-as-terrorist-threat/

16:08:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9250 @ 0.00085436 = 7.9028 BTC [+]

16:20:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00085202 = 8.861 BTC [-] {2}

16:21:54 mike_c: aand, it's gone. ah, interesting bitbet: what will be the next fund delisted from havelock? could be one every month!

16:26:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.0001455 = 0.291 BTC [-]

16:27:55 benkay: what'd havelock delist?

16:28:20 jurov: neobbq

16:28:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07773006 = 0.3109 BTC [-]

16:29:06 jurov: i'd bet some of these mining ops

16:29:10 benkay: <jurov> i just got informed that neisseria meningitis was found in my throat << how much d'ya want for coinbr? :D

16:29:51 jurov: just for you.. 50k btc?

16:30:12 benkay: ;;ticker

16:30:14 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 433.98, Best ask: 434.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.02000, Last trade: 434.0, 24 hour volume: 8376.14788294, 24 hour low: 425.0, 24 hour high: 445.0, 24 hour vwap: 434.910659841

16:30:16 benkay: er

16:30:24 benkay: !t s s.mpoe

16:30:24 assbot: It says some pelt-wearin' trapper, some stinkin' bean-suckin' possum skinner, he's gonna collect that reward money.

16:30:30 benkay: !t m s.mpoe

16:30:31 assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00083894 / 0.00084562 / 0.00085436 (810968 shares, 685.77 BTC), 7D: 0.00083786 / 0.00094575 / 0.00098485 (4986284 shares, 4,715.80 BTC), 30D: 0.00083786 / 0.00096384 / 0.00101 (19586724 shares, 18,878.50 BTC)

16:30:34 benkay: jeeeeesus.

16:31:01 benkay: ;;calc 0.0.00083894 * 1000000000

16:31:02 gribble: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)

16:31:10 benkay: ;;calc 0.00083894 * 1000000000

16:31:11 gribble: 838940

16:31:23 *: benkay cries in the corner

16:31:37 benkay: every thing is dumb and i am hungover

16:32:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 300 @ 0.00435527 = 1.3066 BTC [-] {7}

16:33:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 300 @ 0.00430255 = 1.2908 BTC [-] {7}

16:37:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4092 @ 0.00085436 = 3.496 BTC [+]

16:52:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.00603906 = 0.302 BTC [+] {2}

17:12:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5750 @ 0.00086495 = 4.9735 BTC [+]

17:30:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.00085891 = 9.2762 BTC [-]

17:32:16 pankkake: I'm now getting quantum physics spam (in French). apparently, it's a new way of healing

17:33:10 asciilifeform: lol!

17:43:14 benkay: i failed to bookmark the 'how would you like that wrapped up' editorial cartoon re: bitcoin. does anyone else have the link handy?

17:44:22 TomServo: http://www.political-humor.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/control-of-bitcoin-how-would-you-like-this-wrapped.jpg

17:44:36 benkay: gratzi, tomservo

17:46:43 mike_c: is that a word? you mean grazie?

17:46:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 440 @ 0.00132 = 0.5808 BTC [-]

17:48:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07598128 = 0.3799 BTC [+] {2}

17:49:38 Apocalyptic: probably

17:50:09 mike_c: (i'm secretly hoping i'm not the worst in the channel at languages)

17:51:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 850 @ 0.00014474 = 0.123 BTC [-] {3}

17:52:07 benkay: gratzie? grazie? which is correct?

17:52:22 benkay: (not implying i mispelled, i am actually that illiterate)

17:56:30 Apocalyptic: grazie, as mike_c suggested, is correct

17:59:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5571 @ 0.00085262 = 4.7499 BTC [-] {2}

18:05:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.03263836 = 0.3264 BTC [-]

18:06:51 fluffypony: http://i.imgur.com/vi6XS5Y.jpg

18:09:14 chetty: anyone looked into this: https://rockwell-partners.com/

18:12:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.45012562 = 3.601 BTC [-] {4}

18:13:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.45 = 0.9 BTC [-]

18:13:41 mike_c: chetty: um, sit back and make money? sounds pretty scammy.

18:15:04 mike_c: making 50% a month? panacea oughta put their money with these guys.

18:15:16 chetty: yeah thats what I was thinking - and they take btc to "invest"

18:15:29 mike_c: this is better than pirate.

18:16:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.03263836 = 0.1632 BTC [-] {2}

18:16:18 mike_c: and they are "strong. loyal innovative."

18:16:20 chetty: certainly has a certain fragrance

18:16:49 fluffypony: mike_c: but it has a chart!

18:17:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6000 @ 0.00014747 = 0.8848 BTC [+] {5}

18:18:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.45 BTC [-]

18:19:51 pankkake: not the first fiat ponzi scam to accept btc. but this one looks better (css wise)

18:22:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0324589 = 0.1623 BTC [-] {5}

18:24:49 chetty: I dont actually recognize any of the other payment methods they have listed

18:26:27 punkman: Craig Austin's real name is Jean Fixot: http://motofocus.pl/nowosci/9169/chimirec-otwiera-nowy-zaklad-w-polsce

18:26:34 kakobrekla: its a ponzi

18:27:02 punkman: (from Rockwell about page)

18:27:05 punkman: classic HYIP

18:27:27 fluffypony: I keep wanting to call it HIYP

18:27:44 punkman: "1% on non-trading days" lol

18:28:16 mike_c: i don't even see how you can ponzi at 50% a month. that is insane.

18:28:19 fluffypony: lol

18:28:34 fluffypony: mike_c: they won't make a single payment

18:28:43 mike_c: i guess

18:28:55 punkman: have a look at http://www.talkgold.com/

18:28:55 mike_c: not really a ponzi then, just straight stealing.

18:29:33 fluffypony: yep

18:30:03 punkman: http://www.talkgold.com/forum/r412231-.html 1249 pages

18:30:05 ozbot: Rockwell-Partners - rockwell-partners.com

18:30:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0322001 = 0.322 BTC [-]

18:31:56 fluffypony: so basically you circle-jerk with your affiliate link

18:32:00 fluffypony: talk about how your'e getting paid

18:32:01 fluffypony: *you're

18:32:05 fluffypony: and then profit?

18:32:21 punkman: mostly just not profit

18:32:29 punkman: but infinite hitpoints

18:33:16 mike_c: ;;seen nubbins`

18:33:17 gribble: nubbins` was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 2 days, 18 hours, 18 minutes, and 57 seconds ago: <nubbins`> was going through a real meatspace phase D;

18:33:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31500 @ 0.00084983 = 26.7696 BTC [-] {2}

18:34:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2660 @ 0.00014998 = 0.3989 BTC [+] {3}

18:37:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.4501 = 0.9002 BTC [+]

18:38:40 mike_c: pankkake: have you seen the last s.mg report? i thought of you when reading about the package maintainer job (cuz of altcoin).

18:40:19 bounce: "if we can't follow your every move (financially), you must be a terrorist (financier)" -- nothing like fat budgets to engender some more groupthink and target innovations like bitcoin. can someone please put the usg out of our misery?

18:43:41 pankkake: mike_c: not sure why because of altcoin, but packages is something I know well

18:44:13 pankkake: and you don't usually have to understand the language, just the build systems (which all suck, no exceptions :p)

18:44:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 799 @ 0.00014469 = 0.1156 BTC [-] {3}

18:44:47 mike_c: well, because you put together the altcoin code, no?

18:45:18 mike_c: in any case, seemed up your alley :)

18:45:19 bounce: agreed. looking at the differences is interesting in a chinese sort of way, though.

18:45:21 pankkake: altering a few values, and running make, sure :D

18:46:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07777999 = 0.3889 BTC [+]

18:47:21 chetty: pankkake, make, jam ?

18:47:56 pankkake: jam?

18:48:17 pankkake: or it's a joke about pancakes :)

18:48:53 mike_c: http://freetype.org/jam/

18:48:54 ozbot: An introduction to Jam

18:55:27 pankkake: benkay: blame jimmothy, or http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2014/a-year-of-s-mpoe/ ?

18:57:00 mike_c: i thought my article was positive on s.mpoe. i don't think its my fault.

18:57:10 mike_c: just because i can't figure it out doesn't mean much

18:58:34 kakobrekla: mike killed mpoe. is true.

18:58:51 mike_c: feel the power of btcalpha

18:58:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2148 @ 0.00085314 = 1.8325 BTC [+]

18:59:11 bounce: ``Jam is a small open-source build tool that can be used as a replacement for Make.'' -- this is where I stop reading.

18:59:34 mike_c: built by same guy as perforce i believe, which i am a fan of.

19:00:03 fluffypony: bounce: I think it's what Boost uses

19:00:04 fluffypony: it's awful

19:00:28 mike_c: chetty: why did you pick jam?

19:01:03 bounce: what was that kid again that distributed a bit of crappy code with a makefile containing a few lines of irc log that "everybody" just copies and pastes the rules, atop a list of rules that miraculously work some of the time altough most of them were written the wrong way around?

19:01:38 fluffypony: I have no idea what you're talking about, bounce

19:01:39 fluffypony: lol

19:01:40 bounce: my pet theory is that there's a class of kids fascinated with building tools but aren't quite cut out to write compilers... so they stick to make "replacements" instead.

19:02:09 chetty: mike_c, crystalspace was already using it, natural progression

19:02:51 davout: ohai

19:03:13 bounce: once you do understand how Make rules actually work, most of the problems people experience with make go away. and then the "better, easier" replacements are just pots of syntactic sugar. like, oh, ant for example.

19:04:58 fluffypony: or CMake

19:05:08 mike_c: i can understand not wanting to rewrite crystalspace's build files though.

19:05:17 davout: bounce: nice one :-)

19:06:05 asciilifeform: re: cmake: obligatory, http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3206985430398054@naggum.net.html

19:06:50 asciilifeform: 'A "new" language that differs from the rest of the crop by one or a couple features is proof positive that both what it came from and what it has become are mutations about to die. There are tens if not hundreds of thousands of such "languages" that people have invented over the yeare, for all sorts of weird purposes where they just could not use whatever language they were already using, could not extend it

19:06:50 asciilifeform: , and could not fathom how to modify its tools without making a whole new language.'

19:07:06 bounce: cmake isn't a make replacement, it's a autofools replacement, loaded with colourfully painted godawful bikesheds and inducing more dependency pressure on the most common user (the non-dev compiler)

19:07:24 bounce: in that sense it's strictly worse than autofools. some accomplishment.

19:18:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00085052 = 7.9949 BTC [-] {2}

19:18:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 728 @ 0.00014988 = 0.1091 BTC [+]

19:19:09 artifexd: <fluffypony> or CMake << +1 like retweet upvote

19:19:18 fluffypony: nigga plz

19:19:20 fluffypony: Google +

19:19:30 artifexd: That's the +1 parts

19:19:38 fluffypony: oic oic, you got me covered

19:22:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10609 @ 0.00085355 = 9.0553 BTC [+] {2}

19:29:11 benkay: mike_c: neat article

19:29:22 mike_c: thanks.

19:33:45 danielpbarron: !up Rulother

19:33:45 assbot: Voicing Rulother for 30 minutes.

19:33:55 Rulother: Thank you

19:34:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 52 @ 0.00430039 = 0.2236 BTC [-] {2}

19:34:58 danielpbarron: no problem; what brings you to #bitcoin-assets?

19:35:17 Rulother: Well nothing really, just on my auto list and been coming here for a little over a year

19:35:31 Rulother: Nice to chime in from time to time depending on the convo

19:35:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07777999 = 0.3111 BTC [+]

19:35:37 danielpbarron: I haven't seen you chat in here yet

19:35:58 Rulother: hm

19:36:06 danielpbarron: but I haven't been here a year

19:36:10 Rulother: Well I promise you I've been here before :P

19:36:18 fluffypony: danielpbarron: http://stats.bitcoin-assets.com

19:36:26 danielpbarron: no worries, i'm just breaking the ice

19:36:28 fluffypony: he's said ~1600 lines over the past year

19:36:47 Rulother: More so a lurker in here

19:37:24 danielpbarron: Rulother: if you auth with gribble, i'll give you a +1 so you can voice yourself in the future

19:37:52 Rulother: I'll get on that when I can. At work, atm.

19:39:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6200 @ 0.00085261 = 5.2862 BTC [-]

19:43:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7750 @ 0.00085205 = 6.6034 BTC [-]

19:44:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9450 @ 0.00085205 = 8.0519 BTC [-]

19:46:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07777999 = 0.1556 BTC [+]

19:53:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.45 = 1.8 BTC [-]

19:57:01 fluffypony: http://techcrunch.com/2014/05/05/dont-trust-bitcoin-startups-that-centralize-everything/

19:57:02 ozbot: Don’t Trust Bitcoin Startups That Centralize Everything | TechCrunch

19:57:49 davout: fluffypony: "don't like wormy apples? have a steak instead"

19:57:51 asciilifeform: http://techcrunch.com/2024/05/05/dont-eat-shit-it-isnt-delicious/

19:58:08 fluffypony: no you must read this, it's hilarious

19:58:09 davout: asciilifeform: lmao

19:58:16 fluffypony: it's basically Blockchain.info talking about decentralisation

19:58:31 fluffypony: "ohai don't use a centralised provider...except us for your webwallet. we're fine."

19:59:03 fluffypony: my favourite part is at the end

19:59:06 fluffypony: "Finally, when the conversation moved to alternative coins, Smith also shared that he is bullish on dogecoins. “In terms of the alternative currencies that I like, I really like dogecoins. I got 3,600 dogecoins by selling an inflatable penguin,” he said."

19:59:35 fluffypony: because on a scale of 1 to reasons-to-be-bullish-on-an-altcoin, being able to sell an inflatable penguin is right up there with "has the word Dark in the name"

20:01:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.0322 = 0.2576 BTC [-] {4}

20:02:20 Naphex: my fav part is how blockchain api carries password through cloudflare ssl passthru

20:02:53 davout: Naphex: you sure it does ?

20:03:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00085205 = 8.6909 BTC [-]

20:03:15 Naphex: davout: https://blockchain.info/api/blockchain_wallet_api

20:03:38 fluffypony: davout: API, not regular web wallet access

20:03:40 danielpbarron: i got like 500 free dogecoins a while back; turned it into BTC (what's that, a couple hundred satoshi?)

20:03:49 davout: Naphex: ah ty, didn't know about this API

20:04:30 fluffypony: danielpbarron: yeah I think it's ~1 mil doge to the BTC

20:04:45 davout: i really can't believe they have such a thing...

20:05:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6654 @ 0.00085232 = 5.6713 BTC [+]

20:05:09 davout: Naphex: not that having the password transit in clear was really necessary to get pwned by the cloudflare heresy anyway

20:05:50 davout: just fuck with the JS on the fly

20:06:11 Naphex: ofcourse

20:06:28 davout: http://blog.bitcoin-central.net/2014/02/19/the-cloudflare-mitm/

20:06:29 ozbot: The CloudFlare MITM | Paymium

20:07:32 Naphex: cloudflare makes little sense to me

20:07:41 Naphex: you pay for a varnish cache and a nginx ssl PT

20:07:50 Naphex: and they get to read all your trafic, fun

20:08:14 Naphex: varnish doesn't support ssl, so i'd bet that they will PT through regular http pretty often

20:08:24 mike_c: davout: same thing for aws. their load balancer sits in front of your servers and handles SSL termination for you

20:08:37 mike_c: (if you ask them to)

20:09:34 Naphex: use a good DC and you will get most services top notch, imo

20:10:02 Naphex: together with great ddos protection and quality support, for an easy time

20:10:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0321003 = 0.1605 BTC [-]

20:10:26 fluffypony: "5 days before this article was written Cloudflare started offering Full (Strict) SSL, where traffic between Cloudflare and the origin server is encrypted AND the origin server’s cert is validated."

20:10:30 mike_c: that sounds like a rosy assessment of DC's. where the hell do you host?

20:10:31 davout: i'm thinking about e-mail based APIs against DDoS

20:10:31 fluffypony: davout: that broke my brain

20:10:48 davout: ikr

20:11:20 fluffypony: Naphex: CloudFlare is AMAZING for non-critical services

20:11:29 Naphex: mike_c: i use a industrial dc, usually services high end clients that have their own admins and servers

20:11:32 fluffypony: for $5 a month I get an SSL cert and can use a snake-oil self-signed on the server

20:12:03 fluffypony: I would never in a million years use it for something that is critical/financial

20:13:06 kakobrekla: davout did you make any efforts to be included in rtbtc?

20:13:21 Naphex: mike_c: http://www.gts.ro/ro-en/solutions/industries i highly recommend them

20:13:50 davout: kakobrekla: i have a FIX interface in one the pans that's currently cooking

20:13:52 Naphex: their website seems off with 404's, but you get an account manager, so no shitty web support and services

20:14:02 kakobrekla: are they on fix only?

20:14:36 davout: kakobrekla: i don't think so

20:14:51 kakobrekla: are they on fix at all?

20:14:58 Naphex: davout: i had a fix interface in master for a while but no point in launching it, 0 demand

20:15:05 Naphex: and work is focused on other stuff

20:15:18 davout: Naphex: what did you use ?

20:15:24 Naphex: for what?

20:15:34 davout: i mean, didja write it all yourself?

20:17:35 Naphex: yeah, i was evaluating other protocols and did a fix impl for tests.

20:17:38 asciilifeform: from the loltron:

20:17:40 asciilifeform: http://nizhyn.pik.cn.ua/785/v-nizhini-separatistiv-saditimut-na-kol

20:17:52 asciilifeform: tldr - ua gov. prepares to impale 'insurgents'.

20:18:17 Naphex: davout: you should check out open fast, for fixfast if you're doing it in java

20:18:20 Naphex: http://www.openfast.org/apidocs/

20:18:20 ozbot: OpenFAST 1.1.2 API

20:18:35 asciilifeform: 'three stakes, well sharpened on one side, have been prepared at...'

20:19:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2205 @ 0.0001429 = 0.3151 BTC [-] {8}

20:19:23 Naphex: but i use a protobuf-like protocol in binary for the server backend

20:19:30 fluffypony: asciilifeform: happy...easter?

20:19:35 asciilifeform: lol

20:20:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9164 @ 0.00085411 = 7.8271 BTC [+] {2}

20:20:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07584429 = 0.3034 BTC [-]

20:20:18 davout: Naphex: ty

20:22:32 bounce: what, literally impale?

20:22:41 asciilifeform: their idea, not mine.

20:23:46 fluffypony: bounce: this is what the US government is like - http://i.imgur.com/y6CG4zP.jpg - "shhhhhh...it'll all be over soon...."

20:25:13 asciilifeform: http://vvv-ig.livejournal.com/690116.html

20:25:18 asciilifeform: ^ 'funfest' in odessa.

20:25:57 fluffypony: Naphex: I hear you've been having fun weather that side of the planet: http://imgur.com/a/ZYFTi

20:29:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9350 @ 0.00085274 = 7.9731 BTC [-] {2}

20:30:46 Naphex: fluffypony: its been raining some

20:30:50 Naphex: but thats bout it

20:31:08 fluffypony: Naphex: Bucharest got these cool mini-icebergs

20:31:17 fluffypony: I would float a mini-titanic around them

20:32:00 bounce: geez wtf pix. what's going on there?

20:32:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10150 @ 0.00085232 = 8.651 BTC [-]

20:33:19 bounce: huh, serious optimism waiting at the bus in ankle deep ice water. here the busses'll stop going at a few cm snow

20:33:29 bounce: s/bus/& stop/

20:35:18 bounce: gah translate.google.com shits itself.

20:39:52 davout: asciilifeform: interesting pics, what's the point of the article? what are all the circled things about?

20:40:21 davout: there seems to be in a pair of pictures, the implication that one of the dead dudes was also present at some protest

20:41:10 davout: like on this one -> http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/frallik/12164489/878159/878159_original.jpg

20:43:43 davout: asciilifeform: nvm, gt seems to be doing an allright job ru->fr

20:58:25 mike_c: Naphex: they look pretty good. ever had the occassion to test out the ddos mitigation?

21:02:03 asciilifeform: davout: circled is bullet holes

21:02:27 davout: asciilifeform: i google translated the whole thing bit by bit, fucking scary

21:02:54 asciilifeform: the only thing there seems to be a kind of general agreement about is that the folks inside were fleeing from raging mob, and barricaded themselves in

21:03:51 davout: that's not really the impression i get from this -> "Юноша и девушка. Они не сгорели и не задохнулись - нет признаков открытого огня на паркете (ему лет 50 и он должен был вспыхнуть как солома) и копоти от дыма на стенах. Их убили другим способом. Скорее всего обоим

21:03:52 davout: сломали шеи - профессионалы развлекались."

21:04:04 asciilifeform: yeah that's the russian version

21:04:29 asciilifeform: that at least some of the corpses belonged to folks who were machine-gunned or beaten to death outside, then dragged in for the burning

21:05:22 davout: yeah, the guy with the sunnies seems to be corroborating that

21:06:09 asciilifeform: the popular notion that usa has the objective of re-establishing the old ua gov. is, imho, mistaken

21:06:16 davout: guess i'm missing a lot of context here

21:06:27 asciilifeform: what we're actually seeing is brzezinski's 'controlled chaos' algorithm.

21:06:39 davout: keep talking

21:07:32 asciilifeform: see usa re: libya, syria, etc.

21:07:51 asciilifeform: 'let's you and him fight.'

21:12:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9850 @ 0.00085222 = 8.3944 BTC [-] {2}

21:12:32 davout: sounds pretty sensible

21:12:51 asciilifeform: 'divide & conquer' etc. no news here.

21:13:12 davout: or maybe just stay the fuck away from trouble

21:14:28 asciilifeform: 'you may not be interested in war, but war is certainly interested in you.'

21:15:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7798 @ 0.00085355 = 6.656 BTC [+]

21:19:20 Naphex: mike_c: not really, best i had was like 30mbs

21:20:42 Naphex: mike_c: but its deffinetly there they host some big nodes pretty close

21:20:55 Naphex: (internet exchange nodes)

21:21:30 mike_c: i believe they have the capacity, but that's not all that counts during ddos. just curious what they were like under fire. let me know if you ever find out ;)

21:21:59 Naphex: sure, i have been using them for lots of years now. very satisfied

21:26:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00085437 = 2.734 BTC [+] {2}

21:34:43 Namworld: Thanks to the miracle of whois, I'm receiving phone calls about a car in the parking lot.

21:35:06 fluffypony: lol

21:37:23 Namworld: Maybe I should add whois privacy, maybe not. But it's weird getting phone calls from strangers who managed to find out what's the phone number for your address. Whois is the only result on google for my address with the phone number attached.

21:38:06 Namworld: They noticed the car didn't move all winter, they want to know who's car it is and buy it.

21:38:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.0322 = 0.483 BTC [-]

21:38:46 mod6: gonna restart atcbot, hang tight.

21:39:39 mod6: %h

21:39:39 atcbot: %t | %ticker | %book | %diff | %tx <tx_id> | %bal <address> | %mined | %block <block_height> | %lb | %tslb | %cm | %ptp | %help | %h

21:39:42 mod6: %tslb

21:39:43 atcbot: 41 minutes and 31 seconds

21:40:02 mod6: there you go BingoBoingo

21:40:16 mod6: %t

21:40:17 atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 195 Ask: 224 Last Price: 224 24h-Vol: 26k High: 225 Low: 224 VWAP: 224

21:41:20 mike_c: %tx 991270b4ca10a02a72305af02406415191748890a70bf1dd20b09b0c3782767c

21:41:21 atcbot: [ATC TX] TX_ID: 991270b4ca10a02a72305af02406415191748890a70bf1dd20b09b0c3782767c Block: 30671 Confirmations: 6 Time: 2014-05-05T18:42:52Z Fee: 0.00000000 Days Destroyed: 666.67 IsUnconfirmed: false Sum of Incoming TXs: 250 Sum of Outgoing TXs: 250

21:41:24 mike_c: cool

21:41:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0328999 = 0.329 BTC [+] {2}

21:42:47 thestringpuller: mod6: mod6 mod6 mod6

21:42:47 mike_c: %bal 19zWDQg5Mtpsp3BoYxkq6vr4BL1Kjsua7k

21:42:48 atcbot: [ATC Balance] Address: 19zWDQg5Mtpsp3BoYxkq6vr4BL1Kjsua7k Balance: 1872583.9047 Total Received: 1872583.9047 Number TXs: 3 Confirmations: 2

21:43:00 mike_c: ^ atc baller

21:45:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.0321003 = 0.2568 BTC [-]

21:45:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03264275 = 0.1306 BTC [+] {2}

21:46:04 BingoBoingo: mod6: Kind of

21:46:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0326975 = 0.1308 BTC [+] {2}

21:48:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14650 @ 0.00085456 = 12.5193 BTC [+] {3}

21:48:49 BingoBoingo: So true

21:48:59 mike_c: BingoBoingo: i looked over your atc reports, but i didn't have much trade history to try and correlate them with. the biggest "leak" seems to me that you are reporting each month whether you are long or short ATC.

21:49:00 BingoBoingo: http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/05/05/north_korea_s_news_agency_writes_news_analysis_of_american_life.html

21:49:00 ozbot: North Korea’s news agency writes “news analysis” of American life.

21:49:50 BingoBoingo: mike_c: Thanks

21:49:51 thestringpuller: BitID looks so lame

21:50:06 mike_c: for such an active trader, it feels like an important piece of information to give away. but the alternative is to basically say nothing each month except BTC + (atc converted to btc). so i don't know what you can do about that.

21:50:58 kakobrekla: BingoBoingo fyi http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-05-2014#659018

21:53:15 dub: BingoBoingo: they nailed it

21:54:19 BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: I've got so much logs to catch up on

21:55:29 kakobrekla: dunno if this was here; http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=gjkivAf3

21:57:04 mod6: BingoBoingo: wait, that isn't what you'be been looking for?

21:57:35 BingoBoingo: mod6: Which thing, I'm still catching up on logs. will take a while.

21:58:04 mod6: oh, just saw you doing tslb on atcbot before it had it. thought you'd be happy :}

21:58:41 Naphex: kakobrekla: looks fake to me tbh

21:58:42 mod6: thestringpuller: haha, lightin me up huh

21:58:51 Naphex: i run ssh honeypots, like 9

21:59:08 dub: blackwhitewatcoin

21:59:43 Naphex: and its unlikely for ssh to have /etc/shadow in memory

21:59:45 kakobrekla: altcoins give it away

21:59:47 BingoBoingo: Fucking America Healthcare. See three other doctors/doctor extenders before primary care doctor starts treating the thing you wanted treated in the first place

21:59:52 Naphex: also most of the authentication goes through PAM

21:59:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00085297 = 11.5151 BTC [-] {2}

22:00:32 Naphex: they run memory leak and then just get shadow and uname and such ;]

22:00:47 Naphex: probably just a scam to get foolish scriptkids too pay for fake 0day

22:01:42 BingoBoingo: The worst part is the prescribe the exact same thing I would have prescribed myself if I could just go to the pharmacy with a shopping list like an actual human being at a store

22:02:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 60 @ 0.4500035 = 27.0002 BTC [+] {4}

22:04:02 artifexd: You're probably considerably better educated about pharmaceuticals than Joe Sixpack. He would end up killing himself or depleting the world wide oxycodone supply.

22:05:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.45 = 0.9 BTC [-]

22:05:37 Namworld: Yeah, but they can't just let anyone order whatever. They can't make the difference between a junky, a hypochondriac and someone with a clue. Plus lawsuits and all that.

22:05:56 Namworld: Plus even if you have a clue, might not always be right.

22:06:17 BingoBoingo: What they need is an equivalent of Ham radio testing. Pass the exam, you can do your own damn primary care.

22:07:03 Namworld: Two words: Medical. Bay.

22:07:04 BingoBoingo: Someone abuses it an OD's their fault because they passed the test and should have known better.

22:07:16 Namworld: You might have to wait a while for that tho.

22:07:34 bitcoinpete: ha! havelock's first tweet since nov 1, 2013 is a pic of a fight they're sponsoring in panama

22:07:35 bitcoinpete: https://twitter.com/Havelock_Inv/status/463437933865754624

22:07:36 ozbot: Twitter / Havelock_Inv: http://t.co/aXZvjV0gUg

22:07:52 bitcoinpete: muay thai!

22:08:22 artifexd: ;;rate mod6 1 Perl programmer of atcbot repute.

22:08:23 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user mod6 has changed from 1 to 1.

22:08:55 mike_c: ;;rate mod6 1 doing good work with atcbot

22:08:57 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mod6 has been recorded.

22:10:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 22 @ 0.03202286 = 0.7045 BTC [-] {9}

22:10:44 mod6: thx guise

22:12:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 37 @ 0.06474168 = 2.3954 BTC [-]

22:12:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12258 @ 0.00084983 = 10.4172 BTC [-] {3}

22:14:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.145 BTC [+]

22:14:30 Naphex: gn o/

22:17:20 Naphex: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/24st11/regarding_brain_wallets_why_not_store_salts_on/

22:17:20 ozbot: Regarding brain wallets, why not store salts on the blockchain to prevent attacks? : Bitcoin

22:17:23 Naphex: lol

22:17:27 Naphex: user might be talking about bath salts ;]

22:20:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1577 @ 0.0008484 = 1.3379 BTC [-]

22:30:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4050 @ 0.00085329 = 3.4558 BTC [+]

22:36:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0777799 = 0.1556 BTC [+]

22:41:45 BingoBoingo: !t h COG

22:41:45 assbot: I don't give a shit who saw what and who did what or who did who.

22:46:55 BingoBoingo: jurov: Amazing how common these "rare" microbes are

22:48:24 mike_c: oh wow, cog is gone too. that's SF2, neobbq, and cog in that last couple weeks.

22:48:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17350 @ 0.00085521 = 14.8379 BTC [+] {2}

22:49:44 BingoBoingo: mike_c: Yeah. It's hard telling what Havelock's thing is, but if S.Dice got MP a letter...

22:49:56 mike_c: seriously

22:51:27 BingoBoingo: !up Guest95361

22:51:27 assbot: Voicing Guest95361 for 30 minutes.

22:51:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07778 = 0.4667 BTC [+]

22:51:47 Guest95361: Yeah, Havelock is going to do fine. They are not breaking any laws at all and I can confirm that much

22:52:12 Guest95361: And they have various "shit hits the fan" plans

22:52:21 BingoBoingo: Guest15829: May I inquire your source or relation?

22:53:04 Guest95361: I would rather not say, thats really all the input I can give however they are licensed to accept public investment, and are breaking no laws in their jurisdiction

22:53:44 Guest95361: Obviously their "shit hits the fan" plans are not something anyone can really prove to you

22:54:19 BingoBoingo: This is a common refrain, but an also common lack of disclosure and documentation (re: licenses and permits)

22:54:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07778 = 0.2333 BTC [+]

22:54:52 Guest95361: I can say with 100% certainty that they have them

22:55:01 BingoBoingo: I mean mircea_popescu offers insight into his Shit Hits the Fan contingency plan publicly.

22:55:24 Guest95361: They seem to be very private people, however it certainly does exist

22:55:48 Naphex: can you give an example? as guest?

22:55:48 jurov: it isn't even clearly known *they* do exist

22:55:59 BingoBoingo: ^

22:56:22 Naphex: maybe they are terrible plans ;/

22:56:48 Guest95361: They are rather good plans, and I know that its not known. Its not my place to say

22:58:10 benkay: who is this Guest95361 ?

22:58:33 Guest95361: One of the more underestimated members of the community

22:58:48 benkay: community?

22:58:51 BingoBoingo: benkay: They are some anon who Pm'd me for !up

22:58:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5885 @ 0.00085443 = 5.0283 BTC [-] {2}

22:59:15 benkay: Guest95361: you understand why this is a weak play, right?

22:59:26 BingoBoingo: benkay: Said they know something about havelock, Doesn't seem to be offering anything new.

22:59:39 jurov: IP from the UK.. are you Nefario?

22:59:44 Guest95361: I have no financial incentive

22:59:58 Guest95361: And no, certainly not nefarious nefario

23:00:06 BingoBoingo: jurov: BTCENTRALPLUS.COM to be precise

23:00:23 Guest95361: Crap, you just narrowed it down to 90% of the UK

23:00:35 BingoBoingo: Eh

23:00:47 BingoBoingo: a narrowing is a narrowing

23:00:58 Guest95361: True, with enough information...

23:01:10 Guest95361: Although then again you rely on the fact that I don't use a VPN for that part

23:01:12 BingoBoingo: At least it suggests who you aren't

23:01:17 Guest95361: Very true

23:01:27 BingoBoingo: For example probably not Panama

23:01:28 Guest95361: I'm not Mark Karpeles, I'll tell you that much

23:01:41 BingoBoingo: Probably not Topace

23:01:43 Guest95361: It is rather hard to be an entire nation

23:02:15 BingoBoingo: Guest95361: Didn't seem so hard for Mussolini or the Kims of Korea

23:02:29 Guest95361: That one I will grant you

23:02:53 jurov: Guest95361 someday we'll maybe release our logs from coinroll listing negotiations...and there will be lulz

23:03:07 Guest95361: Anyhow, I am of no significance. I am off. Goodbye

23:03:16 Guest95361: !down Guest95361

23:04:29 BingoBoingo: jurov: That will be an interesting day

23:15:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4418 @ 0.00085329 = 3.7698 BTC [-]

23:15:46 BingoBoingo: If there's one thing I've learned from this recent medical chaos it is that I am not an alcoholic

23:18:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 12 @ 0.03289644 = 0.3948 BTC [+] {2}

23:18:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.06474168 = 0.6474 BTC [-]

23:18:24 BingoBoingo: Haven't had a drink in days and no Delerium tremens

23:20:12 Duffer1: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=596740.0

23:20:13 ozbot: [ActiveMining] Lawsuit - Shareholder Discussion

23:20:20 Duffer1: who could have possibly seen this coming

23:20:54 Duffer1: i think i just sprained an eyeball rolling them so hard

23:24:25 mike_c: jurov, any reason not to release those docs?

23:25:04 jurov: it's quite much, stretching for months, we're busy with other stuff

23:25:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.07779665 = 0.9336 BTC [+] {4}

23:25:23 mike_c: that is a good reason :) still, it would make quite a blog post.

23:26:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07798315 = 0.4679 BTC [+] {4}

23:26:48 BingoBoingo: jurov: You just laid out a way to publish the stuff. Each month gets a post, one post per week.

23:27:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07814995 = 0.3126 BTC [+] {2}

23:27:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9134 @ 0.00085329 = 7.794 BTC [-]

23:28:18 jurov: hehe they did not give me succinct summary like dotcoin did

23:29:12 BingoBoingo: jurov: That's why you turn it into a serial.

23:30:31 jurov: Part 1: In which Ivan from Havelock explains they are a platform for funding development of new projects exclusively

23:31:00 jurov: Part 2: In which Ivan still does not understand what IPO stands for

23:31:23 jurov: Part 3: In which we seek anyone other than

23:31:33 Duffer1: seems ipo = kickstarter in his mind

23:31:37 jurov: Ivan, but in vain

23:32:14 BingoBoingo: Maybe Havelock had the foresight to give you the anagram representative

23:32:55 jurov: Part 4: In which the requirement to be incorporate and fill 1" thick questionnaire with corporate details comes to light

23:34:03 Duffer1: does panama not have brokerage regulation?

23:34:12 jurov: Part 5: Exercise with signing offline wallet, in which Ivan does not understand why the funds were moved right after the signing

23:34:55 Duffer1: seems like an excercise in discovering how many laws he's breaking in different parts of the world would be an ammusing excercize

23:35:25 Duffer1: how many times can i spell excercize incorrectly in the same sentence

23:36:50 bitcoinpete: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/05/05/on-reusing-bitcoin-addresses/

23:36:51 ozbot: On Reusing Bitcoin Addresses | When Bitcoin Met Pete

23:37:40 bitcoinpete: on this topic, i won't pretend that i have it nailed down

23:38:13 bitcoinpete: but i'm more clear than i was a week ago

23:40:28 bitcoinpete: also: men wanted http://imgur.com/tqzYjn5

23:40:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9350 @ 0.00085708 = 8.0137 BTC [+]

23:47:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00085799 = 8.9231 BTC [+] {3}

23:49:41 jurov: mike_c i commented on that

23:50:09 jurov: er.. bitcoinpete, sry

23:51:36 bitcoinpete: jurov: got it!

23:52:37 jurov: oh, iot does not publish replies?

23:54:50 bitcoinpete: jurov: just replied now http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/05/05/on-reusing-bitcoin-addresses/#comment-262

23:56:34 bitcoinpete: since everything gets sloshed together in a reused address, the taint is less clearcut, as i understand it

23:57:04 dignork: bitcoinpete: in case of "change address" there is a slight advantage: observer does not really knows which one of the destination addresses is change, and which is vendor

23:57:37 dignork: bitcoinpete: but then if vendor only uses one addess it's easily discoverable

23:57:38 bitcoinpete: dignork: the rounder, more even number is usually a bit of a giveaway

23:57:49 bitcoinpete: that too

23:59:29 dignork: bitcoinpete: last statement was actually against reusing

23:59:45 bitcoinpete: http://imgur.com/R8kZ8JT <<Say 'eh'

23:59:45 ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer