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00:02:01 mircea_popescu: .

00:03:11 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-06-2015#1154276 << woot!

00:03:11 assbot: Logged on 04-06-2015 23:30:17; mod6: Update: bitcoin-v0.5.3.1-RELEASE + patches { Orphanage Thermonuke } + { TX Orphanage Amputation } fully snyc'd: 359443

00:04:00 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron 15:26:55 <@Samsai> oh, that game << holy shit, everyone knows ?!

00:05:12 mircea_popescu: oh i just derps derping, kay.

00:09:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34749 @ 0.00034038 = 11.8279 BTC [-]

00:10:23 mod6: ok here are the charts, looks like it took about 7 days: http://thebitcoin.foundation/test/perf/v0_5_3_1-RELEASE-Plus-OrphanageThermonuke-And-TXOrphanageAmputation/20150604/

00:10:25 assbot: Index of /test/perf/v0_5_3_1-RELEASE-Plus-OrphanageThermonuke-And-TXOrphanageAmputation/20150604 ... ( http://bit.ly/1EYMJbN )

00:11:22 mircea_popescu: impressive dude. i think the current foundation bitcoin is actually better than mine o.O

00:12:13 mircea_popescu: http://thebitcoin.foundation/test/perf/v0_5_3_1-RELEASE-Plus-OrphanageThermonuke-And-TXOrphanageAmputation/20150604/Process_Switches.png esp that coupled with the 0 faults omg.

00:12:13 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1EYMNrO )

00:12:14 mod6: wow! yeah, this one didn't hit the OOM-Kill either, ran good the whole time without problems.

00:12:49 mod6: yup exactly.

00:13:36 trinque: very nice!

00:14:59 mod6: memory usage graph looks very similar to the previous run with the OrphanageThermonuke graph. That's expected, but just sayin'. Lookin good.

00:15:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105767 @ 0.00034022 = 35.984 BTC [-] {2}

00:15:46 mircea_popescu: ya.

00:18:41 BingoBoingo: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2473

00:18:42 assbot: JL: ‘Life Under Tannika Crow?’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1EYNcdR )

00:20:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36550 @ 0.00034911 = 12.76 BTC [+]

00:25:18 BingoBoingo: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=577

00:25:20 assbot: JL: Narco Night Train ... ( http://bit.ly/1dQFoG0 )

00:27:16 ben_vulpes: kakow, mod6

00:27:54 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-06-2015#1154290 << l0ltr0nic!

00:27:54 assbot: Logged on 05-06-2015 00:11:22; mircea_popescu: impressive dude. i think the current foundation bitcoin is actually better than mine o.O

00:28:01 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ^ better how?

00:28:55 mircea_popescu: moar reliable, for one o.O

00:28:58 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and must nitpick, but it isn't the current therealbitcoin yet. not until patches are ratified.

00:29:18 mircea_popescu: i do not think i have seen a full sync with 0 pagefaults yuet

00:33:06 *: asciilifeform shudders that this set of graph axes exists: http://thebitcoin.foundation/test/perf/v0_5_3_1-RELEASE-Plus-OrphanageThermonuke-And-TXOrphanageAmputation/20150604/Page_Faults.png

00:33:07 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1EYO2HL )

00:33:11 asciilifeform: 'page faults / second'

00:33:33 asciilifeform: who runs -what- that generates multiple page faults / hour, much less second ?

00:33:37 mod6: yeah, previous test with only OrphanageThermonuke did have at least one spot where a "major pagefault" was detected: http://thebitcoin.foundation/test/perf/v0_5_3_1-RELEASE-Plus-OrphanageThermonuke/20150512/Page_Faults.png

00:33:37 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1EYO4PP )

00:33:55 asciilifeform: mod6: do we know in what process ?

00:34:10 asciilifeform: if it was bitcoind, i want the crash dump

00:34:18 asciilifeform: and that'd be pretty major

00:34:45 mod6: no, it's system level. all I can tell you is all that is running as far as 3rd party things are: bitcoind & nmon, otherwise i've had `vmstat 1` going.

00:35:01 asciilifeform: http://thebitcoin.foundation/test/perf/v0_5_3_1-RELEASE-Plus-OrphanageThermonuke-And-TXOrphanageAmputation/20150604/Memory.png << reasonably flat. but the 'whole machine' stats thing is a terrible kludge imho

00:35:02 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1EYObe6 )

00:35:07 asciilifeform: gotta pick on just bitcoind

00:35:08 mod6: i'll continue to do more testing. we'll hopefully get something out of it.

00:35:16 asciilifeform: still neat pics

00:35:33 mod6: asciilifeform: yeah, i agree. it's not great, but it's something.

00:35:46 mod6: im gonna try some profiles this month.

00:35:49 asciilifeform: mod6: see if you can pluck the total # out of igprof

00:36:00 asciilifeform: i posted instructions for having it crap those out, i think

00:36:24 mod6: yup, will get to it... hopefully :] lot of things to work though this month.

00:36:54 asciilifeform: in other news...

00:36:55 asciilifeform: http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7ED61BA9F1483495BAB2CB60A5C9BE858F5C2B37C9856BDEE024A8C5518EB421

00:36:59 assbot: Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1EYOgOS )

00:37:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89850 @ 0.00034924 = 31.3792 BTC [+] {2}

00:37:41 mod6: <+asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: and must nitpick, but it isn't the current therealbitcoin yet. not until patches are ratified. << we'll get there. I'd like to have a discussion at some point about the possible negitive effects of at least the TX Orphanage Amputation patch.

00:38:07 mod6: But so far, I feel good that these two patches fully sync'd and with some reasonable results.

00:38:10 asciilifeform: mod6: if you have an essay-length treatise on this, might be better to drop it in the mailing list

00:38:13 asciilifeform: otherwise here works

00:38:20 BingoBoingo: Damn, a double phuct'

00:38:37 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: that was, i think, another 'magic list' item

00:38:44 mod6: yeah, i think just in here, we can discuss. be better for me to spend a bit of time thinking about it for a day or two.. sometime this week maybe.

00:38:45 BingoBoingo: Ah

00:38:55 mod6: ben_vulpes: should read up on this too ^^

00:39:15 asciilifeform: mod6: notably, bitcoind 0.5.3 stock actually had the orphan tx cache limit

00:39:26 asciilifeform: but i nuked the cache entirely in the interest of reducing fragging

00:39:49 asciilifeform: what i did not have time to do is to measure whether this had the intended effect.

00:40:34 asciilifeform: the other effect of nuking the tx orphanage is zapping the obvious ddos vector of folks crapping deliberately spurious tx into a node

00:40:58 asciilifeform: in general i favour the principle of 'if it cannot be verified RIGHT NOW, it is garbage'

00:41:47 asciilifeform: the very notion of storing things which 'might be verifiable later' runs against the overall flavour of a mechanism designed to face a -maximally- hostile universe

00:42:05 mod6: sure. i was kinda wondering about the converse side where there is an orphaned TX, and then what? guy just resends?

00:42:11 asciilifeform: where every other node is a gavinous abomination

00:42:31 asciilifeform: mod6: he rebroadcasts until finds a node that can accept it without 'jam tomorrow'

00:42:31 BingoBoingo: Last I checked Hearn still breathes so universe is still maximally hostile.

00:42:48 mod6: hah

00:43:00 asciilifeform: consider the actual scenario whereby a tx is 'orphan'

00:43:17 asciilifeform: i.e. what causes it to fall into that category ?

00:43:40 mod6: asciilifeform: ok. i'll have to think on that a bit more. i wanna be sure of what these changes imply. anyway, a guy can always patch his own if he wishes in the mean time.

00:43:46 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform 30064771079/4294967297 =... 7. so now we also have 7.

00:44:04 mircea_popescu: i am persuaded pretty much every prime up to 1k or so is present in the whole set.

00:44:15 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is a statistical certainty

00:44:35 mircea_popescu: ye

00:44:45 mod6: <+asciilifeform> i.e. what causes it to fall into that category ? << right, some sort of malformed tx or one that has some weird time in the tx that makes it get rejected or some such thing.

00:45:05 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> in general i favour the principle of 'if it cannot be verified RIGHT NOW, it is garbage' << i agree with the wisdom of this, for the reasons stated.

00:45:10 asciilifeform: mod6: it is absolutely essential to understand the mechanics

00:45:54 mod6: more over, is there a "normal" situation that arises where a guy is trying to create a transaction and it becomes an orphan? his system time is off? many things i suppose...

00:45:57 asciilifeform: an 'orphan tx' is simply one which references a tx which is not yet seen

00:46:27 asciilifeform: this can happen if multiple interdependent tx are sent in quick succession

00:47:22 asciilifeform: say, from a robotic 'hot wallet'

00:47:48 mod6: so [A_tx]<-[B_tx] are both sent

00:48:28 mod6: B is recieved before A, so B is 'orphan'

00:48:31 asciilifeform: if no one had an orphan tx cache at all, the robot would be the only one broadcasting B until A is in a block.

00:48:44 asciilifeform: no one would rebroadcast it for him

00:48:50 asciilifeform: because it could be a work of fiction

00:49:04 mod6: ok

00:49:36 asciilifeform: whereas right now there is 'benefit of the doubt', largely harmless because 1) 'everyone' has infinite ram 2) no one is crapping out spurious tx in earnest

00:49:37 mod6: yeah, like i said, i gotta look into it. :]

00:49:53 mircea_popescu: practically, this might put a dent in dice type services, in the sense that it'd slow them down by ~10 minutes

00:49:58 mircea_popescu: not sure this is terribru

00:50:28 asciilifeform: 'CoinJoin' will also die.

00:50:32 BingoBoingo: Kinda why listable Satoshidice worked as it did

00:51:24 asciilifeform: as far as i'm concerned, nuking the tx orphanage cuts away some of the remaining 'promise' crud from the protocol, leaving the cold metal for which i for one love it

00:51:34 asciilifeform: i will not cry for the 'promises'

00:52:53 asciilifeform: also note that you (node) are free to broadcast a tx that refers to a not-yet-in-block tx. just that other people will throw it straight to dev null

00:52:55 mircea_popescu: coinjoin is not even stupid it's so fucking dumb.

00:53:01 asciilifeform: aha

00:53:14 mircea_popescu: let's stick to considering things that have a shot at making sense.

00:53:15 asciilifeform: srsly one can't take so much as a shit without some 'coder' building a 'career' on it

00:54:06 asciilifeform: the implications of requiring a tx to refer -only- to tx in blocks in order to be rebroadcastable can be described exhaustively

00:54:14 asciilifeform: we may have already done so - or not

00:54:21 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> srsly one can't take so much as a shit without some 'coder' building a 'career' on it << Coders are like asparagus in this way. They love their easy nitrogen and phosphorous

00:54:36 mircea_popescu: anyway, i'll be running this too.

00:54:53 mircea_popescu: see if anyone can spot a problem with it.

00:54:57 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if running tests, consider the igprof patch

00:55:02 asciilifeform: it is very very spiffy

00:55:12 mircea_popescu: mp is still not a coder. his magics lie elsewhere.

00:55:14 asciilifeform: needless to say, do not use in battlefield conditions

00:55:19 asciilifeform: (for one thing, it brings in dl)

00:55:42 mircea_popescu: ima think about this while playing go with people who are also thinking about this, how's that.

00:55:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 15 @ 0.20538785 = 3.0808 BTC [-]

00:55:49 asciilifeform: l0l

00:55:55 *: asciilifeform reminded that pet is awaiting petting

00:56:05 *: asciilifeform bbl

00:56:05 mircea_popescu: (if anyone's not yet tried this - do. the master form of the twin study jew thing)

00:57:50 *: BingoBoingo prolly ought to move the La Fonde guy from bi-weekly to daily reading http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2453

00:57:51 assbot: JL: AVD Combatives ... ( http://bit.ly/1QaM5Ui )

00:58:35 mod6: ok back. yeah, so... I'll dig into this for sure here this month. Hopefully sooner, rather than later. I wanna make sure the whole thing 'fits in head' before we move forward. But so far, looking good.

00:59:16 mod6: Also, i believe that the removal of the dnsseed is going to be on the docket as well. but again, we'll see how it goes.

00:59:50 mircea_popescu: mod6 i don't recall, is that patch written yet ?

01:00:09 mod6: yeah, alf submitted it back in feb i think.

01:00:11 *: mod6 finds.

01:01:03 mod6: http://thebitcoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000040.html

01:01:04 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1QaMl5N )

01:02:24 trinque: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/04/us-cybersecurity-usa-idUSKBN0OK2IK20150604 << "The last few months have seen a series of massive data breaches that have affected millions of Americans," U.S. Rep. Adam Schiff, the ranking Democrat on the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, said in a statement.

01:02:24 assbot: Cyber attack hits 4 million current, former U.S. federal workers | Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1QaMoOV )

01:02:25 trinque: bahahahahaha

01:02:36 trinque: ah crap wrong quote

01:02:42 BingoBoingo: "As for your opinion that they have a ?right? to safely meet, I disagree. I do not believe in rights. A right is a privilege that is enforced by a violent third party action. Rights are by definition cowardice as social artifice. " http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=1974&pr=0 << Tis like a Traimatic brain injury MP

01:02:44 assbot: JL: ‘Are The Counter-Currents People Cowards?’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1QaMplX )

01:02:44 trinque: But he called the latest intrusion "among the most shocking because Americans may expect that federal computer networks are maintained with state of the art defenses."

01:03:27 mod6: However, this could be tabled until later; when we add in a previously discussed #b-a certified seed discovery mechanism.

01:04:31 BingoBoingo: gossipd seems 18 months to 2 years off at the earliest from public updates in this chan

01:04:59 mircea_popescu: trinque this entire bullshit "defenses" conceptualization. as if you know, it's tower defense, and you gotta upgrade the fire mage tower.

01:05:01 mircea_popescu: idiots already.

01:05:07 trinque: I love it

01:05:07 scoopbot_revived: MPIF (F.MPIF) May 2015 Statement http://fraudsters.com/2015/mpif-fmpif-may-2015-statement/

01:05:16 trinque: BingoBoingo: how hard is it?

01:05:25 trinque: I've thought maybe tinc might be a starting place

01:06:14 trinque: happens to use RSA keys and handle fancy topologies

01:06:25 BingoBoingo: trinque: I'm not the implementer, but last word on the subject was that the implementer was working on developing a master of the moving parts first which is admirable

01:06:58 trinque: cool; he should hang around more

01:09:01 BingoBoingo: trinque: Unless he's doing serious work. I dunno what they do, but hope it is monastic study. I'd hate for gossipd to go through the growing pains of various deed and scoop bots

01:10:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 11 @ 0.20538785 = 2.2593 BTC [-]

01:10:02 trinque: it is most certainly something to get right.

01:10:59 BingoBoingo: !up punkman1

01:12:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 132073 @ 0.00034761 = 45.9099 BTC [-]

01:18:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15900 @ 0.00034298 = 5.4534 BTC [-] {2}

01:22:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.QNTR] 4127 @ 0.00028389 = 1.1716 BTC [-]

01:23:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24700 @ 0.00034929 = 8.6275 BTC [+]

01:32:39 BingoBoingo: !t m s.qntr

01:32:40 assbot: [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0.00028389 / 0.00028389 / 0.00028389 (4127 shares, 1.17 BTC), 7D: 0.00028389 / 0.00028389 / 0.00028389 (4127 shares, 1.17 BTC), 30D: 0.00028389 / 0.00032831 / 0.00038 (13249 shares, 4.35 BTC)

01:33:00 BingoBoingo: !t m s.bbet

01:33:00 assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00008 / 0.00008 / 0.00008 (300 shares, 0.02 BTC), 30D: 0.00006 / 0.00006491 / 0.0002 (115300 shares, 7.49 BTC)

01:33:09 decimation: ;;ticker

01:33:10 gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 223.32, Best ask: 223.36, Bid-ask spread: 0.04000, Last trade: 223.35, 24 hour volume: 11501.2850445, 24 hour low: 222.64, 24 hour high: 225.77, 24 hour vwap: None

01:33:28 decimation: btc/usd has been remarkably stable

01:34:17 decimation: http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2015-06/uovh-mlf052915.php < apparently it has only just been discovered that the lymph system is connected directly to the brain

01:34:18 assbot: Missing link found between brain, immune system -- with major disease implications | EurekAlert! Science News ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQQPr6 )

01:36:56 BingoBoingo: decimation: It truly has for all of 2015 thus far

01:36:57 mircea_popescu: decimation the reporting on that thing is perhaps the best example of how confused "science news" works.

01:37:11 decimation: heh yeah

01:37:26 decimation: they can't just report the facts, gotta make it some sorta drama

01:37:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 22 @ 0.20538785 = 4.5185 BTC [-]

01:37:41 BingoBoingo: <assbot> Missing link found between brain, immune system -- with major disease implications << I'm not sure this is news

01:38:21 decimation: it would have been useful to have a link to the paper

01:38:22 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo read the piece, it's like kindergartners wrote it. not a single fact in there.

01:39:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 9 @ 0.20538785 = 1.8485 BTC [-]

01:40:28 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I've read it and 3 others, some of which bring up what the publication contained. Basically boils down to "OMG When CSF dries up it goes the same place every other fluid does!!! OMG this connection works both ways!!!" The only thing newis is they managed to image this system, because soft tissue imagine is hard

01:41:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19633 @ 0.00034128 = 6.7004 BTC [-]

01:42:48 decimation: https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/05/29/denny-hastert-highly-unsympathetic-face-americas-criminalization-pathology/ < heh

01:42:50 assbot: Denny Hastert is Contemptible, But His Indictment Exemplifies America's Over-Criminalization Pathology - The Intercept ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQRpoK )

01:43:12 decimation: "In the indictment, the DOJ made the decision not to expressly specify the ?past misconduct? Hastert sought to conceal. Nonetheless, federal law enforcement officials apparently spent the day running around leaking to media outlets what the indictment worked hard to insinuate: that ?Hastert paid a man to conceal sexual misconduct while the man was a student at the high school where Hastert taught.? "

01:44:08 BingoBoingo: The extent of the lymphatic system has always been a bit nebulous because it tends to deflate more destructively in the un-alive. Still since most people manage to go through life without hydrocephalus it can be assumed to interact with the CNS.

01:44:53 mircea_popescu: e entered Congress in 1987 with a net worth of no more than $270,000 and then exited worth somewhere between $4 million and $17 million [...] alleged, unspecified ?past misconduct? against an unnamed person to whom he agreed to pay $3.5 million to keep concealed.

01:44:59 decimation: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature14432.html < here's the real paper

01:45:01 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FztLci )

01:45:14 mircea_popescu: oh help me rwanda. some shithead is willing to pay 90% of his networth to some fucktard whose feelings got hurt ?

01:45:23 mircea_popescu: what is this, idiotlandia ?

01:45:44 decimation: mircea_popescu: read the indictment

01:45:57 decimation: he is facing the court because... he didn't tell usg what he was spending his money on

01:46:03 decimation: that's it

01:46:23 mircea_popescu: yes yes. not getting into any of that.

01:46:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67252 @ 0.00034929 = 23.4905 BTC [+]

01:46:37 mircea_popescu: just... fucking usg numbers. they make as much sense as a pancake rabbit with a peanut on its head

01:46:50 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> oh help me rwanda. some shithead is willing to pay 90% of his networth to some fucktard whose feelings got hurt ? << He left office to lobby his networth expanded fast then.

01:47:03 BingoBoingo: But the expansion isn't public because no longer elected

01:47:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 136000 @ 0.00034352 = 46.7187 BTC [-] {3}

01:48:37 BingoBoingo: Fuck, everything is wrong with the world today and only canada backpack guy has new-fax relevant to BTC

01:48:38 mircea_popescu: i guess...

01:49:47 williamdunne: Some famous shithead here in the UK has been saying how she'll happily pay 70% taxes to keep meh public services open

01:50:08 williamdunne: On a similar note, just got tipped 0.3 BTC on reddit

01:50:39 trinque: damn son, that's an xbox game right there

01:50:50 williamdunne: IKR? Beats 0.05 cents

01:52:45 mircea_popescu: most live nude girls work for less / set.

01:53:26 trinque: BingoBoingo: could always be worse; this guy has to whore out his monkey to eat http://s2.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20150604&t=2&i=1053746280

01:54:03 mircea_popescu: in the same news, http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcetwo4Wqh1r3si7eo1_500.gif

01:54:05 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQSm0v )

01:54:08 BingoBoingo: trinque: Let me guess, its last name is Jenner?

01:55:03 williamdunne: She looks better than the monkey, thats cheating MP

01:55:20 trinque: lol

01:55:32 trinque: chick's got a great expression there

01:58:03 trinque: http://s4.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20150604&t=2&i=1053746290&w=976 reuters has some decent lols this week

01:58:05 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fzwv9F )

01:58:18 trinque: chinese guy was gonna jump I guess, his mother found dead inside

01:58:40 trinque: looks like a great place to live; I can't imagine why

02:00:41 mircea_popescu: on the same great expression trend, http://36.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcaqbjOfzi1qkcds1o1_1280.jpg

02:00:43 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fzx57n )

02:02:22 trinque: chick's immaculate; I approve

02:02:34 mircea_popescu: !t m s.qntr

02:02:34 assbot: [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0.00028389 / 0.00028389 / 0.00028389 (4127 shares, 1.17 BTC), 7D: 0.00028389 / 0.00028389 / 0.00028389 (4127 shares, 1.17 BTC), 30D: 0.00028389 / 0.00032831 / 0.00038 (13249 shares, 4.35 BTC)

02:03:03 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 0.00032831 * 239624

02:03:04 gribble: 78.67095544

02:03:45 mircea_popescu: on one hand, internet's best journalism < 100 btc. on the other hand, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=03-06-2015#1152577

02:03:45 assbot: Logged on 03-06-2015 04:39:24; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this is the reason you can't buy so much as a square metre in, e.g., patagonia. that is, if you and i can afford it, ted turner can afford 1,000,000+ of it and at 1000x bid

02:03:50 williamdunne: trinque: Tasha Reign I think

02:03:53 *: mircea_popescu is confused by this contradiction

02:04:27 trinque: williamdunne: nice

02:04:45 mircea_popescu: williamdunne holy shit you knbow em that well ?

02:04:58 williamdunne: I'm a teenage boy, what do you expect?

02:05:26 trinque: heh, I was good friends with a guy in HS that had comparable encyclopedic knowledge of porn stars

02:05:29 williamdunne: But she is particularly memorable

02:05:39 trinque: back when loading up your external hard drive had a point

02:08:53 decimation: mircea_popescu: that patagonia is overvalued?

02:09:47 mircea_popescu: decimation or that old money is doomed, today as much as 2015 bc

02:16:40 pete_dushenski: ahoy !

02:17:12 pete_dushenski: o man this derpy torontonian made my afternoon :)

02:18:11 pete_dushenski: the only thing more fun than a proper roasting is when the victim squirms on the spit.

02:19:15 pete_dushenski: the net result is that i'm pretty sure i popped my "please to take down mean words" cherry today

02:20:40 pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/04/5-simple-rules-for-blogging-linking-to-sources-commenting-and-generally-making-sense-on-the-internet/ << outlined in "update" for those interested

02:20:41 assbot: 5 simple rules for blogging, linking to sources, commenting, and generally making sense on the Internet. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQUsgK )

02:23:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81100 @ 0.00034052 = 27.6162 BTC [-]

02:24:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104823 @ 0.00034929 = 36.6136 BTC [+]

02:25:34 decimation: pete_dushenski: your jaron lanier post was amusing

02:25:47 pete_dushenski: cheers :D

02:26:42 pete_dushenski: i guess i managed to find a thread to pull on from his nebulous ball of rastayarn.

02:27:10 decimation: heh yeah

02:27:28 pete_dushenski: !s gbanga

02:27:29 assbot: 1 results for 'gbanga' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=gbanga

02:28:00 pete_dushenski: ah, i'm not the only one wondering who the fuck he is lol

02:28:42 BingoBoingo: Got a catch phrase so maybe a channer?

02:29:23 pete_dushenski: i had thought it might've been Pierre_Rochard at first, but after today, i gotta rule him out.

02:29:49 pete_dushenski: a channer would've brought up details about an article... in chan.

02:30:02 pete_dushenski: s/article/source

02:34:38 *: pete_dushenski is bemusedly reading http://danielpbarron.com/gamingonlinux.txt

02:34:39 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQVARw )

02:35:59 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Not channer as in this chan, channer by the classical definition: an imageboard enthusiast

02:36:57 pete_dushenski: ah well that's certainly possible

02:37:51 pete_dushenski: you may be on to something there, even if that doesn't leave us closer to figuring out who he is.

02:38:03 pete_dushenski: though i suppose you have an e-mail address from the comments ?

02:41:19 williamdunne: So when do people start publicly executing police officers? https://www.youtube.com/watchv=01ZwvYqMRhQ

02:41:20 assbot: 404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQW75Z )

02:42:04 williamdunne: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01ZwvYqMRhQ

02:42:05 assbot: #Justicefordillon Officer Involved - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQWbCJ )

02:42:12 williamdunne: Fixed link

02:43:38 pete_dushenski: rough..

02:45:55 williamdunne: Reaching into the pocket his audio cable was coming from was a clear display of threat

02:47:27 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Not a useful one, and it would be poor form to expose it if it was.

02:47:30 pete_dushenski: ya never know, the jesters calling themselves judges just might agree

02:47:44 pete_dushenski: ^williamdunne

02:47:57 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: totally agree.

02:48:35 pete_dushenski: but if you recognised it from the wot, you'd obviously know, is all.

02:48:58 williamdunne: Latest board resolution contains a line similar to the one in a couple of MPEX contracts that goes along the lines of "The company deems this contract valid, regardless of the opinion or declaration of any person, regardless of what title that they may choose to fashion themselves with" lol

02:49:46 williamdunne: "This mandate is without limitation; and is deemed valid by the company regardless of the opinion or

02:49:46 williamdunne: declaration of any third­party, regardless of what title they choose fashion themselves with." There we go

02:50:47 pete_dushenski: williamdunne: what board is this now ?

02:51:15 williamdunne: Exchange

02:51:25 williamdunne: Nothing I'd expect anyone to know about yet :)

02:51:41 pete_dushenski: o right, WDEx !

02:52:25 pete_dushenski: might be confused with winkdex though.

02:52:34 williamdunne: Not quite, MIMEX, but not awfully far off it

02:52:52 decimation: where is the winklevoss etf by the way

02:52:55 decimation: it's like 2 years late

02:53:01 williamdunne: While I'm going to be putting myself very publicly as the face of the company, I'm not the only one responsible for it

02:53:33 pete_dushenski: decimation: on the diamond train, 2 years might as well be 2 minutes too late

02:53:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116950 @ 0.00035012 = 40.9465 BTC [+] {3}

02:54:07 decimation: yeah exactly

02:54:13 decimation: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2015/06/04/fbi-official-companies-should-help-us-prevent-encryption-above-all-else/

02:54:14 assbot: FBI official: Companies should help us ‘prevent encryption above all else’ - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1KIdIgE )

02:55:22 williamdunne: wasn't it suspected that the SEC (or was it CFTC, or was it both? God knows) wasn't too amused with the fact that all of the exchanges are not regulated and based in God's favourite country?

02:55:44 decimation: yeah well that was always suspected

02:55:51 decimation: but nobody has come forward with facts as far as I know

02:56:08 pete_dushenski: decimation: i can imagine employers shaking their 'devil hand' symbols at employees using unapproved encryption

02:57:14 pete_dushenski: http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Wicca%20&%20Witchcraft/signs/pope_ratzinger-satan_sign.jpg << as displayed by this hitler youth feller

02:57:15 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQXIJ8 )

02:57:46 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-06-2015#1154505 << trivial. same reason usg isn't burying any of us alive in freshly-printed benjies

02:57:46 assbot: Logged on 05-06-2015 02:03:53; *: mircea_popescu is confused by this contradiction

02:57:50 asciilifeform: or for that matter gasenwagen

02:57:56 *: pete_dushenski wonders where duckduckgo finds these photos.

02:58:17 asciilifeform: they're still following the 'close your eyes and the room will go dark' algo.

02:58:56 decimation: pete_dushenski: heh

02:59:27 pete_dushenski: williamdunne: careful with that "it's not just my fault" approach. look where it got fatso. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1151445

02:59:27 assbot: Logged on 02-06-2015 17:22:10; mircea_popescu: magicaltux, and you're comment as ot whether "he's to blame entirely"

03:00:04 decimation: asciilifeform: one thing I was thinking the other day - now many women are in the workforce instead of at home - but because the number of dollars is not constant, all that has resulted is that both parents are on the treadmill

03:00:08 decimation: instead of only one

03:00:22 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: it's a contagious condition, this eyes closing = tikkun olam shtick

03:00:25 williamdunne: pete_dushenski: Not yet convinced, while he is responsible I do think there must have been a malicious third party involved which I suspect to be the USG

03:00:27 asciilifeform: decimation: this realization is at least a century old

03:01:04 decimation: 100 years ago people who owned a house could also afford at least one or two servants to help with childcare/home

03:01:28 pete_dushenski: williamdunne: that's not really the point here. the point is that he's the one of the hook. fatso's von flondor.

03:01:46 williamdunne: Oh for sure, not questioning that at all

03:02:24 williamdunne: One of the main things I've been focusing on is getting as many degrees of separation as reasonably possible from USG

03:02:41 decimation: http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-32821678 < not a bad college plan

03:02:43 assbot: How US students get a university degree for free in Germany - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQY9TG )

03:02:46 pete_dushenski: ok then. so... be mindful of who you're associating yourself with, is all. and what you're the face of, regardless of its apparent usg-icity to you.

03:03:03 pete_dushenski: ^williamdunne again !

03:03:30 pete_dushenski: 1. it might not be readily apparent what is and is not 'usg' from your vantage point.

03:03:44 pete_dushenski: 2. that's not the only landmine in the world.

03:04:11 williamdunne: pete_dushenski: Indeed. Outside of fiat which is impossible to keep sole control of, I am responsible for funds. If something were to go wrong it would be my head on the pike.

03:04:13 williamdunne: But yeah

03:04:15 pete_dushenski: is ver 'usg' or just a fucking retard ? doesn't really matter, does it.

03:04:18 williamdunne: Plenty of risks involved

03:05:28 pete_dushenski: so one person does funds, one person does other things ? you might excuse me for being suddenly reminded of magicaltux's recent 'decentralise the exchanges' essay

03:05:49 williamdunne: No no no

03:05:59 pete_dushenski: not that i'm suggesting 'key escrow'

03:06:09 williamdunne: fiat I can't control because I'm not both the bank and the central bank

03:06:25 williamdunne: But I am the account signatory

03:06:48 asciilifeform: williamdunne: the usg connection of karpeles is as clear as daylight, considering how he is investigationally untouchable (both in the sr trials and in the greatest btc-related monetary black hole known to date)

03:07:14 asciilifeform: !up KRS1

03:07:27 KRS1: thanks

03:08:06 KRS1: Can you spare just 1 BTC? Ranji is a 9yr old boy living in Namibia. He has only 1 leg, 1 arm and 1 eye. Each day he has to ride 7 miles to school along a narrow road on a rusty bike with bent wheels, no brakes and only 1 pedal.

03:08:19 asciilifeform: l0l

03:08:26 pete_dushenski: KRS1: address ?

03:08:29 KRS1: If you send me just 1 BTC I will send you the video. Its fuckin' hilarious!

03:08:43 pete_dushenski: aw... he left.

03:08:44 decimation: meowmix?

03:08:47 williamdunne: 1 BTC will hire the local village drunk to bludgeon him with a stone, to put the poor child out of his misery

03:08:53 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-06-2015#1154566 << the whole 'clipper chip affair reloaded!' thing is half of a classical 'good cop/bad cop' act

03:08:53 assbot: Logged on 05-06-2015 02:54:13; decimation: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2015/06/04/fbi-official-companies-should-help-us-prevent-encryption-above-all-else/

03:08:57 danielpbarron: i recognize that name, possibly from otc

03:09:14 asciilifeform: decimation: chumpers are to think, presumably, that if 'big bad fbi' 'hates crypto' therefore 'buy redphone!'

03:09:19 decimation: asciilifeform: yeah, but I don't think it's an act

03:09:36 decimation: I suspect there are people in usg who hold his views exactly

03:09:37 pete_dushenski: danielpbarron: he's been here before. i assumed he was kidding !

03:09:43 asciilifeform: decimation: the actors in the act are the best kind, from the standpoint of the muppetmasters - they don't know they are actors, likely

03:09:53 danielpbarron: williamdunne, you got my latertell ok?

03:09:54 trinque: I'd watch that video, got 0.001 BTC on it

03:10:05 williamdunne: danielpbarron: Did thanks, think you got one in return

03:10:16 pete_dushenski: williamdunne: i dunno who's rougher now, you or that cop ;)

03:10:20 williamdunne: danielpbarron: Not sure why she couldn't have just come on here D:

03:10:38 williamdunne: pete_dushenski: THE COP WAS JUSTIFIED, DO YOU WANT THE TERRORISTS TO WIN

03:10:46 williamdunne: yeah, thats what I thought

03:10:46 danielpbarron: ah, stupid gribble doesn't send it till i send him a command

03:10:53 asciilifeform: decimation: i still had a scrap of doubt about zimmerman's betrayal all the way until i got into a d.c. metro car plastered, literally floor to ceiling, with 'redphone' ads.

03:11:06 williamdunne: danielpbarron: Deaf and dumb robots

03:11:46 asciilifeform: the notion that this would be permitted were he not a usg asset, or that his little shop of horrors could afford the fee, is sheer lunacy

03:11:52 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: could be worse, could be lanier pumping the windoze phoenz

03:12:08 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: who the hell cares what a transparent shill does

03:12:10 pete_dushenski: williamdunne: did i say he wasn't ?

03:12:20 williamdunne: pete_dushenski: heavily implied ;)

03:12:38 asciilifeform: (for non-mordor folks, i will add that the entire train, and in fact all the trains i was in that day, had the same ads)

03:12:43 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: people who buy redphone, i suppose.

03:13:02 pete_dushenski: williamdunne: naturally

03:14:12 decimation: https://bloodyshovel.wordpress.com/2015/06/03/the-purpose-of-absurdity/ <

03:14:14 assbot: The purpose of absurdity | Bloody shovel ... ( http://bit.ly/1KIfr5A )

03:15:28 decimation: Zhao Gao knew how to play the actors

03:15:35 asciilifeform: decimation: the concept described in the linked piece is known as 'shit test' to the pua enthusiasts

03:15:56 decimation: yeah more-or-less

03:16:13 decimation: but the important element is that one must 'make believe' in the appropriate way

03:16:36 decimation: In the West of course we have Hans Christen Andersen?s tale about the kid and the emperor?s new clothes. The funny part is it?s fiction. And the story is just about a child, who having a pure heart, dares to say the truth against the powerful.

03:16:38 mats: fun fact: 'zhao gao' also translates to 'terrible'

03:16:41 decimation: The moral is that we should be ashamed of ourselves and aspire to be as virtuous as this child. But of course in reality this child would have been arrested and executed, alongside his parents. Which is obviously why nobody tells the king about his new clothes. They?re not stupid.

03:16:58 *: williamdunne is off for the night

03:17:21 asciilifeform: the yudkowskyans call it 'evaporative cooling' (to describe why doomsday cults on day n+1 after planned 'doomsday' not only do not fall apart, but get more 'culty')

03:17:59 asciilifeform: named for physical effect where fastest molecules phase off into vapour and whole thing has lower energy as per boltzmann

03:18:04 decimation: asciilifeform: but there's an interesting parallel to usg: they 'won' the cold war, yet failed to unemploy the 'national security' complex

03:18:08 asciilifeform: (for those who slept through school)

03:18:18 decimation: now they want to bring of the end of days by destroying terrorism

03:18:38 asciilifeform: the 'eternal war' thing is summarized by herr orwell

03:19:10 decimation: but the deeply weird thing is that nobody questions - 'oh those people who were working on red commies are now working on terrorism'

03:19:23 decimation: that's a great set of clothes. the deer is a fine horse, etc

03:19:24 trinque: "freedom from terrorism" is a particularly insidious concept

03:19:27 trinque: that jumped out at me right away

03:19:39 trinque: I expect to hear that phrase again

03:21:28 asciilifeform: trinque: it arguably descends from u.s. hitler (fdr) 's phrase 'freedom from fear'

03:21:42 trinque: didn't our thing eat all his useful folks?

03:21:44 trinque: sounds about right

03:21:45 decimation: Spandrell made another good point in his next post: "Say a woman that gets a job before of a female quota, but is chosen specifically because she isn?t a loud feminist and does not abuse her legal privilege. Will she ever abandon feminism? Most likely not. After all she owes her job to feminism, even if she had to take a second sanity test. But she has nothing to win, and quite a lot to lose from abolishing female quotas."

03:22:01 decimation: ^ how usg employment works

03:22:55 asciilifeform: phun phakt for non-u.s. folks: usg contractors who are registered as 'woman-owned' get preferential contract status. the practical consequence of this is that a great many operators of such firms have them registered in wife's name

03:23:10 asciilifeform: (makes for interesting divorce proceedings, one might imagine)

03:23:38 pete_dushenski: or tighter pre-nups

03:23:52 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: pre-nups, as a general rule, don't work in usa

03:24:02 pete_dushenski: for real ?

03:24:24 asciilifeform: (more accurately, they work in the same manner as patents. which is to say, if you have infinite money and are willing to spend most of it on lawyers, it can be made to 'work' in a way.)

03:24:27 decimation: asciilifeform: also there's supposedly a super-category for minorities/handicapped/veterans

03:24:58 trinque: and if you have kids involved, forget it

03:25:00 decimation: https://www.sba.gov/category/navigation-structure/eligibility-requirements

03:25:03 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: i guess i figured that since usa is where they're mostly use, that pre-nups work there. upon reflection, this is a nonsensical conclusion !

03:25:04 asciilifeform: decimation: the golden quadrifecta is female minority crippled in iraq

03:25:04 trinque: the court can rule in "the best interest of the child"

03:25:20 asciilifeform: trinque: even in the absence of children, imagine that, l0l

03:25:30 trinque: well she might later, and he owes her!

03:25:34 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: again, they 'work' like patents 'work'

03:25:40 decimation: asciilifeform: yeah, it's a real thing too I hear. if one of these 8(a) qualified companies enter bidding, they automatically win

03:25:51 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: mhm. so it would seem

03:25:52 asciilifeform: which is to say, every idiot who wastes time and money on it imagines that it will work in his case, because celebrity xxxxx

03:26:03 asciilifeform: 'patents are great, look at edison'

03:26:07 decimation: everything usg does is partially mixed with its 'civil relgion'

03:26:18 asciilifeform: how could it be otherwise.

03:27:24 decimation: greenspun has a continual rant on the divorce racket

03:27:51 *: trinque cannot think of a single reason he would marry

03:28:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 117450 @ 0.00034004 = 39.9377 BTC [-] {2}

03:28:48 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-06-2015#1154551 << which board is that ?

03:28:48 assbot: Logged on 05-06-2015 02:48:58; williamdunne: Latest board resolution contains a line similar to the one in a couple of MPEX contracts that goes along the lines of "The company deems this contract valid, regardless of the opinion or declaration of any person, regardless of what title that they may choose to fashion themselves with" lol

03:28:58 decimation: it's a good way to raise children, but lord help you if you marry the wrong woman

03:29:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32722 @ 0.00033939 = 11.1055 BTC [-] {2}

03:29:57 trinque: decimation: I don't mind the thought of raising kids at all; still don't think I'd marry

03:30:00 asciilifeform: decimation: it is interesting to consider the implications of mass 'awakening' to btc as an anti-divorcetheft instrument

03:30:04 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-06-2015#1154562 <---> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-06-2015#1154694

03:30:04 assbot: Logged on 05-06-2015 02:53:01; williamdunne: While I'm going to be putting myself very publicly as the face of the company, I'm not the only one responsible for it

03:30:04 assbot: Logged on 05-06-2015 03:28:58; decimation: it's a good way to raise children, but lord help you if you marry the wrong woman

03:30:14 trinque: asciilifeform: not a bad point there

03:30:17 asciilifeform: decimation: the likely next step for usg is probably 'naggum-style' taxation on 'what you probably earned and hid'

03:30:24 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform or anti-fiat-theft generally

03:30:27 asciilifeform: sorta like the silk road sentence

03:30:35 mircea_popescu: taxation ; redistribution ; alimony ; you name it-y

03:30:45 trinque: having too much btc will have a word like "structuring" pretty soon

03:30:56 trinque: utterly devoid of meaning aside from "and for this we will fuck you dry"

03:31:12 asciilifeform: 'so, mr schmuck, you ran a widget factory, brought in p/yr. ex-mrs schmuck is now entitled to y*(p-r) where r was your rent'

03:31:20 decimation: mircea_popescu: I don't get your point re: <--->

03:31:21 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not that far off, it is after all the argument they brought before australian courts against austian dotcom kid. or for that matter in swiss courts against belgian dude.

03:31:38 mircea_popescu: "this person is charged with being more powerful than we like to see."

03:31:38 pete_dushenski: decimation: business is marriage, and vice versa

03:31:45 asciilifeform: for so long as the robbers even bother to construct arguments, they will necessarily take this form

03:31:49 mircea_popescu: decimation that it's the same thing, basially.

03:32:09 decimation: ah I see what you are getting at, need to choose your partners carefully

03:33:07 asciilifeform: sorta like that fable, where the sheep asks the wolf what his 'crime' was, why he deserves to be eaten, and wolf answers 'your crime was that i am hungry and you are fat'

03:33:33 decimation: asciilifeform: yeah but if your wealth is in bitcoin, it's not obvious you are a sheep nor fat

03:33:50 asciilifeform: decimation: thing is, it is still obvious if usd walked in and didn't walk out

03:33:54 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-06-2015#1154566 << no. fbi agents should help us prevent usg above all else.

03:33:54 assbot: Logged on 05-06-2015 02:54:13; decimation: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2015/06/04/fbi-official-companies-should-help-us-prevent-encryption-above-all-else/

03:33:56 asciilifeform: (of your pocket)

03:34:30 decimation: asciilifeform: yeah, usg can still claim usd tax

03:34:33 asciilifeform: just like the ancient observation that if two walk into a cave, and one walks out, someone probably got clobbered

03:34:59 decimation: but they can't send agents to question why you withdrew $10k

03:35:01 asciilifeform: this is, for example, why 'coinbase' will happily sell u.s. folks btc

03:35:16 asciilifeform: decimation: l0l, tell it to that congresscritter

03:35:27 decimation: I mean $10k in btc

03:35:42 asciilifeform: well yes, but they know that $10k walked in in usd

03:35:44 pete_dushenski: then 'withdrew' from where ?

03:35:44 asciilifeform: and never walked out

03:36:21 decimation: yeah this is a point, as long as usd is 'money' they can toy with anyone

03:36:32 asciilifeform: anyone paid in usd, at any rate

03:36:34 decimation: anyone forced to use usd to eat bread

03:37:19 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-06-2015#1154601 << it is how bitbet works.

03:37:19 assbot: Logged on 05-06-2015 03:05:28; pete_dushenski: so one person does funds, one person does other things ? you might excuse me for being suddenly reminded of magicaltux's recent 'decentralise the exchanges' essay

03:38:14 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: upon reflection, alternative is either a) have one person do everything, or b) 'multisig'

03:38:20 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-06-2015#1154606 << just one more asset ended up with head on pike, now barking at the outskirts.

03:38:20 assbot: Logged on 05-06-2015 03:06:48; asciilifeform: williamdunne: the usg connection of karpeles is as clear as daylight, considering how he is investigationally untouchable (both in the sr trials and in the greatest btc-related monetary black hole known to date)

03:38:27 decimation: mircea_popescu: those agents investigating dpr apparently 'switched sides'

03:38:34 pete_dushenski: so i guess the bitbet model makes sense.

03:38:45 *: mircea_popescu is rooting for him, gavin and that radioshow derp getting together and starting a wallet site or something.

03:39:10 asciilifeform: decimation: if the fools had the elementary common sense to share the bakshish up the chain of command, they'd be walking still

03:39:16 *: pete_dushenski imagines 'decentralised' mit wallet

03:39:35 decimation: asciilifeform: this was sop in su as I understand

03:39:47 asciilifeform: decimation: in all 'orcish' nations

03:39:50 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform honestly i dun think so.

03:40:11 mircea_popescu: it's shocking enough that one dea agent defected over about 1 year's nominal pay.

03:40:13 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: there is a long list of idiocies not yet surfaced. for instance, a usg stooge will eventually propose 'wallets' keyed to passport chips or the like

03:40:22 mircea_popescu: the notion that an entire hierarchy would manage to split it into bits... heh.

03:40:24 mircea_popescu: i dun see it.

03:40:37 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the quantities are not co-measurable

03:40:42 mircea_popescu: maybe.

03:40:47 decimation: usg has promised all of them a comforatable retirement if they play ball

03:40:54 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: half a mil in usd is not 'i-can-give-it-to-isis-money'

03:40:56 asciilifeform: btc - is.

03:41:37 trinque: it remains to be seen what charges these guys end up with

03:41:40 asciilifeform: usd is considerably closer to being paid in month-old sausages than to money

03:41:45 asciilifeform: yes, it's valuable, in a sense

03:41:47 asciilifeform: and you can live on it

03:41:49 trinque: and I wonder how many got away with it

03:41:53 asciilifeform: but where is it 10 yrs from now

03:41:54 mircea_popescu: what do you suppose ten-twenty twerps can do with enough money to buy isis a humvee each ?

03:42:02 mircea_popescu: they already donated 2.5k of them or w/e

03:42:21 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: i look forward to it. my new passport is a 10-year affair and has some sort of electronics in it. "don't get passport wet, treat like mobile device" it says.

03:42:24 asciilifeform: this is the difference between money and scip

03:42:26 asciilifeform: scrip

03:42:33 mircea_popescu: anyway, the one important point in all this is - even the people on govt team don't like other people on govt team enough to go partners.

03:42:46 mircea_popescu: think about that. it's like being in a bar where you hate everyone to the point you wouldnt buy them a drink.

03:42:51 mircea_popescu: why the fuck are you there then

03:43:03 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they would have, if they could be sure of 'blink back' when 'blinking eyelashes' up the chain of command

03:43:11 mircea_popescu: aha. exactly.

03:43:26 mircea_popescu: and they'd hit on the hot blonde, if they could be sure of same.

03:43:26 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you're there because you were born and raised there and door is welded shut ?

03:43:29 mircea_popescu: as it is tho...

03:44:21 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-06-2015#1154628 << o did stoya ever answer ?

03:44:21 assbot: Logged on 05-06-2015 03:10:20; williamdunne: danielpbarron: Not sure why she couldn't have just come on here D:

03:45:07 decimation: maybe usg employees think that if the just stick around one more year they can 'change the system' liked they fantasized about when they signed up

03:45:19 decimation: or maybe most of them are unemployable in 'the real world'

03:45:21 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: to grasp this, it is necessary to look through the porthole glass on the atomic dirigible, down to the planet below - where most folks are so thoroughly wedded to their meal ticket that they do not really perceive themselves as having a choice of what sort of system to be part of, aside from the abstract choice of eating one's pistol

03:45:48 asciilifeform: (the latter is an increasingly common path out of u.s. army - ever wonder why?)

03:46:03 mircea_popescu: most of them are necessarily unemployable in the real world

03:46:06 decimation: asciilifeform: note that this 'marriage' isn't really about a meal as much as a fantasy

03:46:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 151523 @ 0.00033658 = 50.9996 BTC [-] {2}

03:46:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.20538785 = 1.0269 BTC [-]

03:46:36 asciilifeform: decimation: it is about 'i do this and i keep eating; i don't - and don't'

03:46:43 decimation: for instance, spacex runs on the same 'fumes'

03:47:00 decimation: people are willing to spend their lives gaining skills only to end up paying elon to work for him

03:47:07 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform doesn't that sound like something to discontinue on general principle ?

03:47:09 asciilifeform: spacex ultimately runs on the apparatus whereby continent full of schmucks is robbed of what little they produce

03:47:12 mircea_popescu: what are they, sharecroppers ?

03:47:18 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sure!

03:47:46 mircea_popescu: i suppose the one true differential between lords and peons is the answer to the simple question

03:47:48 decimation: people in the midwest have kids, some of them have skills, and they end up in some bureaucracy

03:47:50 mircea_popescu: "is life a good above all else"

03:47:57 mircea_popescu: all yes in this pile. all no in that pile. end of story.

03:48:09 asciilifeform: there is also the realization, shared by the more-intellectually-bent part of usa, that 'if i were to be paid what i am worth, i will starve and be boiled for soap. therefore gotta help carry on the scam'

03:48:27 decimation: asciilifeform: yeah that's surely the majority of usg

03:48:37 asciilifeform: it is virtually everyone

03:48:43 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is a very poor excuse for not coming up with better scams.

03:48:51 asciilifeform: i, for instance, have precisely zero desire to be 'paid what i'm worth'

03:48:54 mircea_popescu: note that i am not proposing for civilisation to go away

03:49:00 decimation: how do you outscam the printing press?

03:49:06 asciilifeform: ^

03:49:27 mircea_popescu: there's always a way.

03:49:47 asciilifeform: short of perpetuum mobile, which physical reality balks at - printing press is -the- scam.

03:49:54 asciilifeform: sorta the carnot engine of sc4mz0r1ng

03:50:02 decimation: well, generally the 'way' in the us is to be on the benefit side of the printing press

03:50:25 asciilifeform: decimation: pretty much every living thing in nato-dom is alive beneficiary of the printing press.

03:50:41 mircea_popescu: out of the crooked timber of humanity, no THE thing was ever made.

03:51:12 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: printing press scam is directly analogous to carnot engine. it is the closest shave one can give the sheep without skinning them

03:51:15 asciilifeform: or at least aims to be

03:51:39 mircea_popescu: well.

03:51:45 mircea_popescu: consider : roman empire also used the same process.

03:51:46 asciilifeform: hence the astonishingly baroque refinements it is subject to

03:52:09 asciilifeform: romans had not yet calculating machines, and did not have anything quite like modern 'derivatives' etc

03:52:44 asciilifeform: whereas today you can actually make a chump who insists on knowing precisely how he is being chumped be left with an np-complete problem!

03:52:45 mircea_popescu: actually, they did. both.

03:53:10 mircea_popescu: and if zenon's arrow in flight discussion is not exactly the latter...

03:53:11 asciilifeform: that's sorta like saying that they had modern construction equipment. yes, there were cranes powered with man-sized hamster wheels

03:53:15 asciilifeform: but not same

03:53:44 mircea_popescu: i propose to you that for an army of archers, plate armor is much more than our current ceramic plating and woven nylons.

03:54:15 mircea_popescu: similarly, it can perhaps be argued successfully that the romans had better "social sciences" in the weaponized, political sense

03:54:16 asciilifeform: quite similar, in that plate was astonishingly expensive

03:54:19 mircea_popescu: than the us ever did or ever will.

03:54:40 trinque: americans are helplessly narcissistic and cannot collaborate

03:54:46 trinque: that's why they didn't think up a better scam

03:54:51 mircea_popescu: what, unlike the friends, romans, countrymen ?

03:54:54 mircea_popescu: gimme a break.

03:55:26 trinque: perhaps not; I'd expect though that we're incredibly low on the scale

03:55:50 trinque: I don't think the way in which communication happens here would be considered high bandwidth

03:55:54 asciilifeform: what would the hypothetical 'better scam' look like ?

03:56:27 asciilifeform: as it is, half the planet toils so that u.s. schmucks can get tankers full of little orange plastic pumpkins every october to hang on their porch

03:56:36 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-06-2015#1154671 << they can only be enforced by women against men, moreover.

03:56:36 assbot: Logged on 05-06-2015 03:23:52; asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: pre-nups, as a general rule, don't work in usa

03:56:43 asciilifeform: better scam would result in what? more pumpkins ?

03:56:51 mircea_popescu: if you have a deal that says she walks without any money or children, it'll be thrown out.

03:56:56 mircea_popescu: if it says the reverse... well duh.

03:57:00 trinque: more bitcoins for Mr Force, I thought

03:57:31 asciilifeform: trinque: we (or at least i) do not know how many bitcoins -presently- for yellen

03:57:34 asciilifeform: or thiel

03:57:35 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno.

03:59:44 asciilifeform: trinque: the basic crime of herr force - aside from the unforgivable 'didn't pass the bakshish up the chain' - is that a commoner has pretense to lordly things

03:59:47 trinque: asciilifeform: here's a better scam; kill the price for a bit by imploding gox

04:00:09 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the latter. the former only exists in imagination.

04:00:10 trinque: meanwhile looting it

04:00:24 asciilifeform: trinque: this is likely to be repeated, and next on the chopping block is probably 'coinbase'

04:00:27 asciilifeform: the new gox

04:00:30 mircea_popescu: there is not enough bakshees to pass up the chain, because bitcoin is not fiat. they need > 9k% to be satisfied.

04:00:31 trinque: oh, certainly.

04:00:43 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform coinbase is definitely on the chopping block.

04:00:49 mircea_popescu: teh republic never liked it.

04:00:57 asciilifeform: meant, that it'll be flushed by usg

04:01:05 asciilifeform: rather than nailed in the wild

04:01:26 mircea_popescu: you generally overtate the efficacity of the derp.

04:01:27 asciilifeform: from outside of the walls it'll look quite like a 'goxing' yes.

04:01:40 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the one thing they know how to do is arson

04:01:46 asciilifeform: in all the various senses of the word

04:01:49 mircea_popescu: but think of it this way : never, in the history of tyhe world, did ~they~ ever destroy anything.

04:02:00 mircea_popescu: if they can, they'll just fgill it with straw and keep pretending.

04:02:06 asciilifeform: yes, it's the flames that destroy, not the boy with the matches

04:02:08 mircea_popescu: mtgox's fall took specific, directed pushing

04:02:13 mircea_popescu: and they tried tooth and nail to keep on.

04:02:23 mircea_popescu: so did everything else, so does everything else.

04:02:38 mircea_popescu: the woman that is the state yields eventually, once squeezed enough. not before.

04:02:51 asciilifeform: one could even argue that gox is not dead, but rather passed the torch to coinbase/bitstamp

04:03:01 asciilifeform: in the same way as ibm passed it to microshit

04:03:09 asciilifeform: and microshit is now passing it to google et al

04:04:19 asciilifeform: the unmistakeable attributes of 'goxitude' - 'kyc/aml' crapolade, mysterious freezes/'questionings'/account dissolutions/'verifications' - carry on

04:04:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 127600 @ 0.00033284 = 42.4704 BTC [-] {2}

04:05:09 asciilifeform: as do the basic mechanics of a goxatron - encouragement of off-chain payments via 'codes' rather than proper btc, goading users to keep coin in -exchange's- wallet, etc.

04:06:39 mircea_popescu: yes yes. in any case, mtgox ended exactly the way faux gpg, or system d, or gavincoin, or the sec or the fbi are gonna end

04:06:50 mircea_popescu: we're going to charge particular ineptitude, and employ ridicule

04:06:58 mircea_popescu: they're going to spin and deny and pretend nothing happened.

04:07:01 mircea_popescu: by the book.

04:07:56 mircea_popescu: an' with that, i bid you all something or the other!

04:08:28 decimation: here's how to 'out-scam' the printing press: http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2015/06/01/book-review-the-redistribution-recession/ < "In other words we?re trending toward a society where about half of the working-age adults will kill themselves with 60-80-hour weeks while the other half will relax on the sofa."

04:08:30 assbot: Philip Greenspun's Weblog » Book Review: The Redistribution Recession ... ( http://bit.ly/1MrNSyK )

04:10:11 asciilifeform: decimation: l0l, 'trending toward'

04:10:19 decimation: heh yeah

04:10:22 asciilifeform: i suppose, because the famous '47%' isn't quite half

04:11:58 asciilifeform: the key unwritten truth here is that virtually all employed folks in usa are 'on welfare'

04:12:31 decimation: ^ yes, this is true, and most of their welfare comes in 'tax expendatures'

04:12:54 asciilifeform: because, as described very clearly by tlp (that piece cached on mircea_popescu's www) - they either carry out work directly for usg organs (official or otherwise, e.g., microshit) or perform services for the former

04:13:05 decimation: god forbid that we give up the health care tax break or mortgage interest tax break

04:13:28 asciilifeform: e.g., cook in a restaurant frequented by builders who install glass in office towers paid for by bezzlatron

04:13:33 decimation: asciilifeform: yes indeed, nobody in the us is more than two or three degrees from usg

04:14:01 decimation: asciilifeform: or your business is frequented by those who get checks from the treasury for being poor or whatever

04:14:11 asciilifeform: ^ as described by tlp

04:14:32 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=27-01-2015#993651

04:14:32 assbot: Logged on 27-01-2015 05:02:36; mircea_popescu: "The system not only pays poor people, it employs lots and lots of almost poor people. I'm not saying this is a good thing, or a desirable thing, I am simply stating a fact. Some of these are direct government jobs (e.g. staff down at the SSI office) and some are pretend private sector jobs. If you're a psychiatrist at an inner city clinic, you may think you're an independent contractor, but you're r

04:15:09 decimation: yes when barely half of your able adults are working while 40% are being paid to slack, it's pretty obvious that the whole thing is a confidence scheme

04:19:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45700 @ 0.00033241 = 15.1911 BTC [-] {2}

04:47:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54650 @ 0.00033167 = 18.1258 BTC [-] {2}

05:09:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71400 @ 0.00034063 = 24.321 BTC [+] {2}

05:10:12 danielpbarron: !up shmadz

05:12:37 shmadz: thank you, I'm trying to figure a way to do gpg on android platform. is this possible?

05:13:22 danielpbarron: possible but not recommended

05:13:47 shmadz: for security, right?

05:13:52 danielpbarron: keybase is a way, but you're probably better off getting a real computer first

05:17:08 shmadz: my "real computer" is not with me always. or even often. I was hoping to figure a way to do secure android?

05:18:44 trinque: shmadz: no pill is going to secure android on a cellphone

05:20:26 danielpbarron: you can have "secure cellphone" (just for voice) if you run irc on a computer that doesn't turn off, and connect to that with your cell phone

05:21:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55466 @ 0.00035075 = 19.4547 BTC [+]

05:21:53 trinque: !s specificity of the diddling

05:21:54 assbot: 4 results for 'specificity of the diddling' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=specificity+of+the+diddling

05:22:10 trinque: danielpbarron: yeah I use a similar setup

05:22:25 trinque: shmadz: never trust a phone with anything you can't afford to lose

05:22:33 danielpbarron: worst someone can do with compromised irc box is talk as me for as long as i don't notice

05:22:55 danielpbarron: whereas under gribble, the worst they could do was change my key to their key

05:23:27 shmadz: ok, so there is no known solution for secure, pocket sized, computer?

05:23:39 trinque: shmadz: to the logs with you!

05:23:44 danielpbarron: depends.. how pig are your pockets?

05:24:02 trinque: shmadz: define secure

05:24:06 trinque: important to define terms

05:25:19 danielpbarron: you can read the log securely from your phone, although even this is much more enjoyable on a real computer

05:25:47 shmadz: right, I want a solution that is roughly the same size as Samsung note, and runs native Linux, or some secure version of android, if that even exists

05:26:00 trinque: shmadz: again, you need to define secure

05:26:15 trinque: reason being, should you specifically define it, you may find there is no existing device that meets the spec

05:26:39 trinque: or otherwise, it's important to note which actions can and cannot be securely taken on a phone

05:26:55 trinque: which is to say, if you wouldn't do it outside the police station, don't do it on a phone either

05:26:58 trinque: should be obvious

05:27:20 trinque: if you want a phone which does not track your every step, you will not find it

05:27:34 trinque: nor one that respects the privacy of the data you store on it

05:27:38 trinque: so on

05:28:08 danielpbarron: shmadz, if you find yourself in the situation where you need to gpg on the go, you are finding yourself in the wrong situations

05:28:14 trinque: well put

05:29:16 shmadz: thank you, not the answer I'm looking for, but this makes me think there is an opportunity to make the device I want. why is there not secure Linux that can run on a phone-like device?

05:29:33 trinque: man, I dunno that there's a secure linux either

05:29:38 trinque: it's not a 1 or 0 thing

05:29:44 trinque: depends on who the adversary is

05:29:50 danielpbarron: reminds me of the failed key signing party at the last porc fest -- the one after which nobody ended up getting their key signed because all the time was taken setting up a temporary key server when all we had to do was trade fingerprints and sign it later back at home

05:35:03 shmadz: ok, thanks for your help, and thanks for the !up, I think I'm gonna try a remote server to manage the keys, and just remote in from the phone? I don't see any secure solution to my problem atm

05:36:04 danielpbarron: the keys don't need to be on the remote server

05:36:48 danielpbarron: another computer can and should be used to sign and decrypt, and this computer should not be connected to any networks

05:38:42 shmadz: ok, just like offline signing bitcoin transactions? so you use USB to transfer? or you do it by hand? Or what?

05:39:53 danielpbarron: some use a qr code scanner

05:40:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47429 @ 0.00034021 = 16.1358 BTC [-]

05:40:45 danielpbarron: !up shmadz

05:42:03 shmadz: ok, thanks Daniel, thanks tribute,

05:42:27 shmadz: *tribute

05:43:17 shmadz: grr, can you tell I'm on a phone? *trinque

05:43:40 danielpbarron: i turn off autocorrect; it drove me crazy

05:45:29 shmadz: yeah, this is a work phone, which is even less secure, so I have to type on it all the time, which probably means everything I

05:45:42 shmadz: type is being tracked

05:46:46 trinque: everything you everything is being tracked; happy 2015, lol

05:52:19 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FE99DB4C8A6980859D6C2322594C1B2CB4348ECB0F9BA3A7275285C7F3D02F7F

05:52:23 assbot: Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1eSBzAk )

05:52:23 gribble: The operation succeeded.

05:53:12 asciilifeform: !up Vexual

05:56:15 danielpbarron: that p is apparently the 6th "Fermat number"

05:56:56 asciilifeform: !s 4294967297

05:56:57 assbot: 6 results for '4294967297' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=4294967297

05:57:01 asciilifeform: extensively discussed

05:57:19 asciilifeform: it is guaranteed to be a factor in all moduli matching the 'magic 98' pattern

05:57:41 asciilifeform: as shown in http://dpaste.com/1TNXJDZ

05:57:42 assbot: dpaste: 1TNXJDZ: fffooo ... ( http://bit.ly/1eSCcKd )

05:57:54 asciilifeform: you can prove this fact

05:57:59 asciilifeform: but i am leaving it as an exercise

05:58:45 asciilifeform: (hint: 4294967297 == 2^32 + 1)

05:59:44 asciilifeform: (Apocalyptic may have posted the proof somewhere in the logs already. i can't recall.)

06:00:38 asciilifeform: i will note that -not all- phuctored moduli to date are in 'magic98', nor have all of the 98 been (thus far) phuctored or even attempted

06:01:20 asciilifeform: but elementarily, all of them are expected to appear prior to the end of the churn of the sks dump circa last month

06:01:40 asciilifeform: (on account of all of them being divisible by 4294967297)

06:04:35 ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> what i did not have time to do is to measure whether this had the intended effect. << how would you measure fragging?

06:05:31 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: can only be (easily) measured indirectly

06:05:56 asciilifeform: sorta like 'dark matter'

06:06:21 asciilifeform: that is, process has heavy 'footprint' but sum of allocations is a small fraction of it

06:07:08 asciilifeform: the only conclusive test for fragging is manually sweating over a memory dump 'with magnifying glass'

06:08:01 asciilifeform: (there may exist an instrumented allocator which will actually complain about being unable to find an appropriately-sized free block, but i am unaware of it)

06:08:07 ben_vulpes: i'm starting to not be surprised by the failure of modern computing tools

06:08:18 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes was at some point surprised ?!

06:08:35 ben_vulpes: i learned then next to the lathe

06:08:41 ben_vulpes: i expected them to work as the lathe does

06:09:05 ben_vulpes: well, i learned their use. can't say as i 'know' them.

06:09:16 asciilifeform: http://totalpict.com/images/63/63378912550372ebd2231f.jpeg << like this ?

06:09:16 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1eSDeWw )

06:09:40 asciilifeform: ^ probably most famous lathe of all time

06:09:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32771 @ 0.00034021 = 11.149 BTC [-]

06:10:09 asciilifeform: imagine if computer worked like this.

06:10:26 ben_vulpes: lathe fits in head.

06:10:35 asciilifeform: sometimes - head fits in lathe.

06:10:39 asciilifeform: that schmuck's did.

06:10:42 Vexual: liveleaks full of it

06:12:29 Vexual: mircea_popescu: there's always a way. <im glad KRS1 is alive

06:18:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11426 @ 0.00033133 = 3.7858 BTC [-]

06:18:34 trinque: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=de2_1326399606 << god damn.

06:18:36 assbot: LiveLeak.com - machine accident - warning: extremely graphic ... ( http://bit.ly/1RO5GqT )

06:22:25 Vexual: i took the lid of my psu and shorted the fuse after the ticking turned into complete failure

06:23:28 Vexual: nerd fireworks

06:30:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53524 @ 0.00033005 = 17.6656 BTC [-] {2}

06:43:19 punkman: assbot: #Justicefordillon Officer Involved - YouTube ... << why are usg cops so afraid of hands in pockets

06:48:01 ben_vulpes: http://www.kgw.com/story/news/crime/2015/05/28/three-people-shot-during-last-thursday-portland/28129499/

06:48:03 assbot: Teen confesses in Last Thursday shooting, says someone eyed him ... ( http://bit.ly/1ARhTGK )

06:52:26 ben_vulpes: someone eyed him, you see!

06:53:51 punkman: oic now

06:53:56 punkman: !up Vexual

06:55:19 cazalla: friday, friday, getting down on friday (finally)

06:57:39 Vexual: hey caz

06:58:32 cazalla: Vexual, arvo.. ya drinking?

06:58:59 Vexual: syntax error

07:00:16 Vexual: funny thing is if the internet ever breaks, id have to remember xanthyoss ham sign to find you, but yes

07:00:59 cazalla: VK2DIK?

07:01:29 Vexual: no something like S>>>

07:01:36 Vexual: i forget

07:02:12 Vexual: its an old callsign tho, itd be in bookshops

07:02:36 cazalla: i'm sober so not really following

07:03:42 Vexual: dude has a cool old ham callsign, he left here after a blue with dpb

07:04:10 cazalla: well, it wouldn't be VK2DIK on account he almost cut his off

07:04:46 Vexual: yeah, but he can prolly bed the shit to find a freq

07:04:53 Vexual: *bend

07:05:48 cazalla: got a radio?

07:05:55 Vexual: er maybe

07:06:47 Vexual: im not exactly licensed

07:07:11 cazalla: you can be VK4VEX

07:08:31 Vexual: ok-ay

07:08:39 punkman: !s blockchain radio

07:08:40 assbot: 1 results for 'blockchain radio' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=blockchain+radio

07:10:42 cazalla: Vexual, get the cops up that way?

07:10:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 264900 @ 0.000327 = 86.6223 BTC [-] {4}

07:11:42 Vexual: i dont have a uhf scanner

07:11:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56300 @ 0.00033417 = 18.8138 BTC [+]

07:13:43 Vexual: taxis and cops i dont care

07:14:01 cazalla: still get most of the regional ambos down here on analogue

07:14:17 cazalla: geelong, traralgon

07:14:36 cazalla: ballarat too

07:18:28 Vexual: so towtrucks run on ambo now?

07:18:53 Vexual: thats kinda sad

07:22:13 punkman: http://samy.pl/opensesame/

07:22:15 assbot: OpenSesame - hacking garages in seconds ... ( http://bit.ly/1Io2CA4 )

07:29:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93616 @ 0.00032551 = 30.4729 BTC [-]

07:30:46 punkman: !up Vexual

07:41:36 Vexual: opening garages could be bad for ur health

07:42:11 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wa64gOwuIyE

07:54:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44401 @ 0.00033046 = 14.6728 BTC [+] {2}

07:56:14 punkman: http://store.steampowered.com/hardware PCs that look like a console, wonder how this will go

07:56:15 assbot: Steam Hardware Pre-Order ... ( http://bit.ly/1HP7nNF )

07:58:50 Vexual: nvidea too

08:12:06 cazalla: not sure why anyone who uses steam on desktop would buy any of that

08:12:11 cazalla: !up Vexual

08:14:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.20538785 = 2.0539 BTC [-]

08:16:59 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVP_w1rQweE

08:17:58 Vexual: meanwhile BB up in the smart part of town...

08:19:28 Vexual: caz i saw that neat little lezzo on news 24 this morn singing the praises of melb. wow

08:19:39 Vexual: thats a singer

08:20:33 Vexual: checked the hong kong investors, the numbers checked

08:21:31 Vexual: next month 500k of ur 5 milly must be vc or other new shit

08:21:45 Vexual: get ltd now

08:24:29 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3WFkfME_Q0

08:26:29 cazalla: Vexual, what lezzo?

08:26:48 Vexual: govt suggestions, she was on ellen

08:27:01 Vexual: i forget the name, shes better than that tho

08:27:17 Vexual: singing about melb re

08:28:54 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcuAw77J8_Y

08:33:04 punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3WFkfME_Q0

08:33:05 assbot: Chance The Rapper - SURF [Full Album] - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ARo3a1 )

08:34:03 punkman: this kid has some nice tunes

08:34:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 142548 @ 0.00032478 = 46.2967 BTC [-] {4}

08:34:18 Vexual: aussie?

08:36:29 Vexual: nope

08:37:04 punkman: "Bennett was listed #7 on the "Forbes 30 Under 30" 2015 music list" "gave a lecture at Harvard University's Hiphop Archive & Research Institute"

08:37:14 Vexual: thats her'

08:37:17 punkman: so Forbes does music now, and Harvard has a hiphop institute

08:37:29 Vexual: link

08:39:03 Vexual: wtach the greek squirrel it

08:39:14 Vexual: what the link

08:40:04 Vexual: yes its new

08:42:27 punkman: http://hutchinscenter.fas.harvard.edu/hiphop-archive-research-institute

08:42:28 assbot: Hiphop Archive & Research Institute | Hutchins Center ... ( http://bit.ly/1MsffIW )

08:42:31 punkman: !up Vexual

08:43:25 Vexual: :) curly

08:43:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12962 @ 0.00033417 = 4.3315 BTC [+]

08:51:37 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcnIhzaDTd0

08:53:30 Vexual: real shit

08:53:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67899 @ 0.00034389 = 23.3498 BTC [+] {2}

08:57:09 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcnIhzaDTd0

08:58:24 cazalla: ya know if you played good music Vexual, i might be tempted to drink

08:59:16 Vexual: im trying to save you

08:59:39 cazalla: bit over a week since i've imbibed

09:00:06 Vexual: so go to aa\

09:00:47 Vexual: plents of girls that wanna stop

09:00:49 cazalla: nah i'm good, don't have the shimmy shimmy shakes

09:01:11 Vexual: i shake around 9 am

09:01:11 cazalla: so, what, get em liquored up and laid?

09:01:16 Vexual: no

09:01:30 Vexual: stop b4 you need em

09:02:36 Vexual: virginia sees me to 11

09:04:30 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzfwI9fhA3I

09:04:31 scoopbot_revived: Company Pays $14,000 Ransom In Bitcoin, Attackers Return For More http://qntra.net/2015/06/company-pays-14000-ransom-in-bitcoin-attackers-return-for-more/

09:05:00 Vexual: unnnamed co

09:07:11 cazalla: prob the cop shop itself

09:07:52 Vexual: no morgan shot ell them cunts, the movies sympathetic tho

09:08:51 Vexual: in fact the dv version has all the blood n gore

09:08:54 cazalla: gee i tell ya Vexual.. sober on a friday night, don't know what to do with myself

09:09:05 Vexual: watch a bushranger movie

09:09:12 cazalla: gonna watch blue murder

09:09:31 cazalla: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Murder_%28miniseries%29

09:09:32 assbot: Blue Murder (miniseries) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1MsgXKu )

09:09:54 Vexual: cool shit

09:14:44 cazalla: !up Vexual

09:15:57 Vexual: thankyou kindly

09:16:47 Vexual: you know ned kelly went around yelling about morgan

09:16:56 cazalla: morgan who

09:17:39 Vexual: dunno, the nushranger, starts wid a d

09:18:03 Vexual: \cops wer after him for years

09:18:09 cazalla: the abo?

09:18:17 Vexual: 'he was irish

09:18:55 cazalla: ah i thought you mean someone like malcolm naden

09:19:15 Vexual: whats a naden? u sure youre not drunk now?

09:19:38 cazalla: the abo ned kelly guy

09:19:40 Vexual: sounds like a tenni splayer

09:20:01 cazalla: nah some abo that went rambo on some cops and stayed in the bush for years

09:20:07 cazalla: top bloke

09:20:16 Vexual: yeah, maybe

09:23:30 cazalla: bbl

09:24:50 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NVOawOXxSA < melb

09:32:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55950 @ 0.00032158 = 17.9924 BTC [-] {2}

09:36:09 shinohai: gm #bitcoin-assets

09:36:31 Vexual: ford

09:36:54 shinohai: kek

09:38:02 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lwacyd9cqhQ true

09:41:15 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpDLeo4lcCg ss shes ss upercharged

09:52:13 wyrdmantis: ;;bc,stats

09:52:18 gribble: Current Blocks: 359508 | Current Difficulty: 4.758959115362501E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 360863 | Next Difficulty In: 1355 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 8 hours, 16 minutes, and 33 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47374701445.5 | Estimated Percent Change: -0.45155

10:03:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 131250 @ 0.00033211 = 43.5894 BTC [+] {2}

10:33:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86934 @ 0.00033481 = 29.1064 BTC [+] {4}

10:35:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 123809 @ 0.00032047 = 39.6771 BTC [-] {2}

10:36:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12741 @ 0.00031746 = 4.0448 BTC [-]

10:55:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.20538785 = 2.0539 BTC [-]

11:05:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 166750 @ 0.00034546 = 57.6055 BTC [+] {2}

11:19:52 fluffypony: https://www.blackhat.com/us-15/briefings.html#the-memory-sinkhole-unleashing-an-x86-design-flaw-allowing-universal-privilege-escalation

11:19:54 assbot: Black Hat USA 2015 | Briefings ... ( http://bit.ly/1IoA8pO )

11:31:58 shinohai: http://www.visir.is/apartment-under-siege-by-icelandic-police-for-six-hours-turns-out-to-be-empty/article/2015150609695

11:41:14 punkman: Over a hundred people were evacuated from an apartment building Tuesday evening after reports of gunshots from the balcony of an apartment. During a six hour long operation, police surrounded the apartment and tried to contact the gunman before discovering that the apartment was empty.

11:41:16 punkman: good one

11:41:45 shinohai: But, I'm sure they had credible intel *

11:54:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97243 @ 0.00033907 = 32.9722 BTC [-]

12:09:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36250 @ 0.00034251 = 12.416 BTC [+]

12:11:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38150 @ 0.00034251 = 13.0668 BTC [+]

12:23:51 mircea_popescu: it occurs to me someone should perhaps point out to that lying scumbag andresen that https://bitbet.us/bet/1093/bitcoin-main-net-block-size-to-increase-in/

12:23:52 assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin main net block size to increase in 2015 :: 1.75 B (12%) on Yes, 13.09 B (88%) on No | closing in 5 months 2 weeks | weight: 51`751 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1KITrYz )

12:24:18 mircea_popescu: all these imaginary bitcoin businesses and so on that supposedly support him could make a pretty penny bettinbg for the thing they allegedly support at 11:1.

12:25:00 mircea_popescu: funny how the buterin waterfal works. there's allegedly all these usg "companies" with "millions" in their coffers that have "investors" and whanot. meanwhile nobody can be arsed to buy any amount of their stock at a 50% to 90% discount. for like...a year now.

12:25:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 274050 @ 0.0003385 = 92.7659 BTC [-] {2}

12:25:25 mircea_popescu: ethereum was going to be the bees knees for sure definitely absolutely. it even raised a shitton of btc, allegedly. except... not. not at all, not a little bit.

12:26:21 shinohai: rofl I must send out a taunting tweet

12:26:38 mircea_popescu: and so on and so forth, gavin's spoken to "economists" that agree with him except meanwhile they turn out to not exist and he has the support of business except all that business can't get a hundred bitcoin together. in which sense, it is obviously a subsection of the tardstalk forum - those guys got like 1k together to give marquardt so he could leave council housing.

12:27:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7 @ 0.20538785 = 1.4377 BTC [-]

12:28:54 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform 31 too huh. i notice something strange here, brb while i write it up.

12:31:18 mircea_popescu: jurov hanbot http://fraudsters.com/2015/mpif-fmpif-may-2015-statement/ btw.

12:31:19 assbot: MPIF (F.MPIF) May 2015 Statement on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KIUnw3 )

12:31:32 mircea_popescu: !up HostFat

12:34:01 mircea_popescu: hm, does anyone remember this excellent write-up of the videogaming industry wrt drivers ? it was a fable-like story, didn't name intel nvidia ati etc but described the interactions with game developers in some intricate detail.

12:34:08 mircea_popescu: i dun recall if i put it in here or not tho ;/

12:34:09 wyrdmantis: hi HostFat

12:35:04 mircea_popescu: http://richg42.blogspot.com.ar/2014/05/the-truth-on-opengl-driver-quality.html

12:35:05 assbot: Rich Geldreich's Tech Blog: The Truth on OpenGL Driver Quality ... ( http://bit.ly/1H87U11 )

12:35:06 mircea_popescu: thank you intel.

12:35:15 shinohai: For that special woman in your life, Nazi undies! http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/nazi-booty-eva-braun-panties-sale-ohio-article-1.2243354

12:35:16 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1H87Y0I )

12:43:38 mircea_popescu: !gettrust HostFat

12:43:41 assbot: Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user HostFat: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=mircea_popescu&to=HostFat | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/HostFat/

12:43:46 mircea_popescu: wyrdmantis dja know the guy ?

12:47:00 HostFat: hi mircea

12:47:15 HostFat: I'm the italian moderator on bitcointalk

12:47:29 mircea_popescu: hey. wouldja mind getting into the wot, for one thing ?

12:48:22 HostFat: actually I'm really busy because I'm trasfering in another city on these 2 days

12:48:33 HostFat: *currently

12:48:40 mircea_popescu: well not this instant. generally.

12:49:09 HostFat: anyway, I'm also the one that has made a bet about the block size on bitbet :P

12:49:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 408400 @ 0.00034698 = 141.7066 BTC [+] {6}

12:49:29 mircea_popescu: for the other thing : plox to not email bomb me ; bitbet's not keeping your bitcoin, rejected props get refunded as it gets around to it ; yeah 1 btc is prolly enough for that purpose ; if https://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/ and https://bitbet.us/bet/7/bfl-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-march-1st/ being paid out isn't going to convince you i guess nothing will.

12:49:29 assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.15 B (20%) on Yes, 4393.47 B (80%) on No | closed 3 months 2 weeks ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1H8aLqU )

12:49:31 assbot: BitBet - BFL will deliver ASIC devices before March 1st :: 791.29 B (47%) on Yes, 898.53 B (53%) on No | closed 2 years 3 months ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1H8aLHj )

12:52:10 HostFat: I did't know about the refund, good, than I'll make again the bet with 1 BTC at this time :)

12:52:19 mircea_popescu: gl.

12:52:52 wyrdmantis: mircea_popescu i know him, never met IRL, debated with him about blocksize change :)

12:53:03 mircea_popescu: oic.

12:58:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88906 @ 0.00035141 = 31.2425 BTC [+] {3}

12:58:39 scoopbot_revived: The Nordic System, a new novel by Mircea Popescu http://fraudsters.com/2015/the-nordic-system-a-new-novel-by-mircea-popescu/

13:00:18 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell nubbins` ^

13:00:19 gribble: The operation succeeded.

13:05:07 Pierre_Rochard: ;;later tell pete_dushenski clarifying that I am indeed not GBANGA! ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rREGbLdOzfg ) and that I would’ve thought a greyhound bus would be a great way to launder money, but events proved otherwise

13:05:08 assbot: Steve Holt! - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1RPm0HM )

13:05:08 gribble: The operation succeeded.

13:05:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89000 @ 0.00035281 = 31.4001 BTC [+] {2}

13:10:42 mircea_popescu: lol

13:14:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 395450 @ 0.00034097 = 134.8366 BTC [-] {4}

13:16:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27600 @ 0.00033564 = 9.2637 BTC [-]

13:19:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49000 @ 0.00035284 = 17.2892 BTC [+]

13:30:51 pete_dushenski: ;;later tell cazalla "sum" of money, not "some" in your last article.

13:30:52 gribble: The operation succeeded.

13:31:32 pete_dushenski: Pierre_Rochard: ha, classic show and classic scene !

13:31:59 pete_dushenski: if i needed to move $1 mn + i'm not sure that i'd take any form of public transportation

13:32:48 pete_dushenski: why not just hop in saddam, throw in a radar detector (legal here ftr), and obey the traffic laws up until i arrived at my destination

13:32:59 pete_dushenski: (saddam = merc)

13:39:31 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: a novel !

13:40:14 pete_dushenski: two thoughts : 1) i won't postpone (any more) weddings, 2) i do love 'that ancient story'

13:40:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73500 @ 0.00034585 = 25.42 BTC [-]

13:43:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63181 @ 0.00034171 = 21.5896 BTC [-] {2}

13:51:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24498 @ 0.00032635 = 7.9949 BTC [-]

14:04:28 pete_dushenski: ;;ticker

14:04:30 gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 224.89, Best ask: 225.08, Bid-ask spread: 0.19000, Last trade: 225.08, 24 hour volume: 18751.17657895, 24 hour low: 222.64, 24 hour high: 229.23, 24 hour vwap: None

14:04:38 pete_dushenski: ;;nethash

14:04:39 gribble: 343170046.183

14:05:02 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski :p

14:16:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 155478 @ 0.00033088 = 51.4446 BTC [+] {2}

14:17:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8614 @ 0.00033524 = 2.8878 BTC [+]

14:26:50 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: Geldreich was a kind of GPU savant/whisperer iirc. And an advocate of Unix/Linux gaming.

14:27:18 mircea_popescu: yes.

14:28:07 thestringpuller: The amazing thing is how Microsoft's plan for DirectX segmented the market like this (inconsistent GL drivers)

14:28:07 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

14:31:22 thestringpuller: Back when consoles were still kool tho, you could at least depend on Nintendo/Sony to have a sane third party get you drivers for the machine.

14:31:40 thestringpuller: consistent drivers*

14:41:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25586 @ 0.00033217 = 8.4989 BTC [-]

14:45:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50794 @ 0.00034869 = 17.7114 BTC [+]

14:51:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 12 @ 0.20538785 = 2.4647 BTC [-]

14:55:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62534 @ 0.00035286 = 22.0657 BTC [+] {2}

15:06:23 williamdunne: MPwilliamdunne: danielpbarron: Not sure why she couldn't have just come on here D: <<< Nah don't think Stoya ever did :/ That message was about Indian asking DPB to get my contact details for some reason

15:10:32 shinohai: LOL Xapo http://fortune.com/2015/06/04/xapo-lawsuit-fraud/

15:10:33 assbot: This Lawsuit Could sink one of the hottest bitcoin companies - Fortune ... ( http://bit.ly/1KeZTZ6 )

15:11:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52350 @ 0.00034869 = 18.2539 BTC [-]

15:18:36 pete_dushenski: shinohai: heh. there's a reason they're listed on f.derp

15:19:08 pete_dushenski: and no amount of moving to switzerland can save them

15:19:43 shinohai: They have obnoxious ads everywhere offering 20k satoshi to sign up. wtf is that shit.

15:20:11 pete_dushenski: it's usual dangle-bait shit for shartups with moar capital than brains

15:20:24 *: williamdunne hasn't yet been subjected to obnoxious ads, except from Gem and *shudders* QuadrigaCX

15:20:32 shinohai: That's not even good dangle-bait.

15:20:35 pete_dushenski: no different than uber doing 'free' pick-ups for goodwill donations from people's houses

15:21:03 pete_dushenski: williamdunne: ya, qcx is everywhere. annoyingly.

15:31:30 williamdunne: I haven't seen it in maybe a week but for months I couldn't touch a video without having that stupid voice telling me I should use a Canadian exchange

15:31:30 williamdunne: WHY

15:31:34 williamdunne: WHY THE FUCK WOULD I DO THAT

15:39:49 williamdunne: Nearly as derpy as the exchange bragging about FATCA compliance

15:46:57 trinque: http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/06/05/hacked-federal-personnel-files-could-turn-employees-into-foreign-spies/ << check out that security theater FireEye interface

15:46:58 assbot: Hacked federal personnel files could turn employees into foreign spies ... ( http://bit.ly/1H8StFP )

15:47:14 trinque: delusional bastards

15:49:25 pete_dushenski: ha, gee golly those sure are some pretty graphics.

15:49:31 pete_dushenski: nothing to hide there !

15:50:13 pete_dushenski: because it's too hard to 'incentive' security without making it shiny

15:50:31 pete_dushenski: i swear this is a french thing

15:50:56 pete_dushenski: or at least i saw more of these 'shiny incentives' in the french part of switzerland than the german part

15:51:21 pete_dushenski: german part : spotless, not signs telling citizens to pick up trash, people just behave themselves

15:51:24 trinque: interesting

15:51:56 trinque: the only useful part of that screen is the log, and they gave it what, 5-10% of the real estate

15:52:05 pete_dushenski: french part : not so spotless (though hardly "dirty") with plenty of "fun" marketing ploys to encourage "right" behaviour

15:52:59 pete_dushenski: trinque: that 5-10% is important for actually working, but the other 90-95% is better at making it *look* like you're working

15:53:11 pete_dushenski: on something quite important and hollywood-esque, no less

15:53:15 trinque: sure, the other part gets fireeye paid

15:53:41 trinque: I think in the absence of any actual history, this is what americans do: imitate (their own terrible) film

15:53:58 trinque: it's just like the guys hunting Jack Bauer or whatever

15:54:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102331 @ 0.0003487 = 35.6828 BTC [+] {3}

15:54:43 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://cryptome.org/2015/06/dia-mil-spy-papers.htm << mega-l0l

15:54:45 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1H8UPVm )

15:54:45 gribble: The operation succeeded.

15:55:20 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu in other news, http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7382BEE1309329B35A14D11394BC4068C4491033B855ED56B7CBE15AE0EB9A2A and http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/709FF94FF727A8490E99459EEC2989C1EB80FE9A03DF0F1DA6911EB4D5497907

15:55:23 assbot: Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1H8V1nr )

15:55:27 assbot: Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1H8V4zz )

15:55:27 gribble: The operation succeeded.

15:55:40 trinque: if I find the time I may compile a recent history of the chinese kicking our asses

15:56:08 trinque: I bet the chinese version of that screen does what it's supposed to, at a bare minimum

15:57:12 asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2015/06/cyber-spy-nyt-15-0604.pdf << latest usg mega-l0l. massive and very tedious slide deck of pseudolegalisms

15:59:11 pete_dushenski: "PRISM is one of the most valuable, unique, and productive accesses for NSA – don’t miss out on your targets."

16:01:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 193900 @ 0.00035302 = 68.4506 BTC [+]

16:03:02 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform since you're here : http://fraudsters.com/2015/the-strange-case-of-the-unentropic-entropy-and-other-bedtime-stories-of-primes-and-people/

16:03:02 assbot: The strange case of the unentropic entropy and other bedtime stories of primes and people. on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1H8Xpuk )

16:06:21 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik the distribution of factors in random large N is an open problem

16:07:46 mircea_popescu: ok, but seems to me the proposition that "if you pick a random number, the odds of it being divisible by 17 are 1 in 17" is fairly uncontroversial.

16:07:54 pete_dushenski: "the TIC and NETWORZ consolidation initiative is behind schedule and unlikely to achieve its goal of delivering less than 100 connections either in short- or mid-term timeframes." << not saying this is an easy task, but holy shit does the manhattan project *feel* like it was 3 generations ago. what goals can usg hope to accomplish these days, other than writing more pieces of paper and making more pp slides ?

16:08:08 mircea_popescu: seeing how every 17th number etc.

16:08:55 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski myeah.

16:09:38 pete_dushenski: every single last one of the 'initiatives' outlined in that document are under-funded, poorly specified, and behind schedule

16:10:39 pete_dushenski: unless the initiative was just a 'plan'

16:10:39 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: also looks like you did the 'magic' and non-magic keys together

16:11:03 mircea_popescu: so i did.

16:12:06 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we might have a case of the proverbial 'randomly wired neural network, close your eyes and the room is dark' on our hands. these N were not crapped our by dice, but are permuted versions of properly-generated N. and could have interesting mathematical properties

16:12:38 mircea_popescu: kinda what im inching towards : the plain observation that the odds for this situation so far look like ~1% is something

16:16:39 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-06-2015#1155219 << i have nfi when or how xapo got to be "one of the hottest". it's not even clear it ever existed.

16:16:39 assbot: Logged on 05-06-2015 15:10:32; shinohai: LOL Xapo http://fortune.com/2015/06/04/xapo-lawsuit-fraud/

16:16:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 127650 @ 0.000354 = 45.1881 BTC [+] {3}

16:18:21 asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2015/06/cyber-spy-nyt-15-0604-2.pdf >> http://dpaste.com/2WR0X9E.txt << lulzy

16:18:22 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FywOCD )

16:18:23 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FywR10 )

16:20:55 scoopbot_revived: The strange case of the unentropic entropy and other bedtime stories of primes and people. http://fraudsters.com/2015/the-strange-case-of-the-unentropic-entropy-and-other-bedtime-stories-of-primes-and-people/

16:24:23 mircea_popescu: !rated wences

16:24:23 assbot: wences is not registered in WoT.

16:24:27 mircea_popescu: hm.

16:31:53 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what's noteworthy in either those cryptome links ?

16:32:54 mircea_popescu: "If you live in an expensive city and are acquainted with families collecting welfare the book confirms what you might have noticed, i.e., that it would be irrational for the adults in the family to enter the workforce. Here in Cambridge, Massachusetts, for example, the welfare families that I have spent the most time with occupy apartments with a market rent of about $4,500 per month ($54,000 per year in post-tax inco

16:32:54 mircea_popescu: me) in a building with a swimming pool, two gyms, and a variety of other luxurious facilities. Their health care is free through some combination of Medicaid, Obamacare, and a city-run health system. Their food is mostly free through food stamps. They can get cash from TANF and some similar programs. They would need to earn at least $160,000 per year pre-tax to obtain the same standard of living at market prices. Howev

16:32:55 mircea_popescu: er, even if someone were to offer the adults in the family a $160,000 per year job it would not be rational for them to accept it. If they were ever to lose that job it would take many years of paperwork, bureaucracy, and waiting lists to get back to their current welfare lifestyle."

16:33:00 mircea_popescu: heh.

16:34:12 mircea_popescu: spend more than it costs to run an african/southeast asian village for an entire year to keep a couple tards and their ill behaved, poorly brought up, genetically deffective offspring on reddit.

16:34:22 mircea_popescu: and this is supposed to be sustainable or something ?

16:37:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88550 @ 0.0003394 = 30.0539 BTC [-]

16:37:18 pete_dushenski: to quote myself : "So let me get this straight, “sustainable” doesn’t mean “long-lasting, likely to perpetuate, and likely to lead to the fullness of human flourishing” so much as “designed to give idiots resources without also teaching them how to think well enough to distribute said resources with a view towards the long-term.”"

16:38:07 mircea_popescu: guess so.

16:44:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84500 @ 0.00034708 = 29.3283 BTC [+] {3}

16:58:24 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what's noteworthy... << the sheer lameness of the dissertation titles

16:58:37 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as for the 2nd, the idiot flailing re: 'cyber attack'

16:59:47 asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> spend more than it costs to run an african/southeast asian village... << it is not clear to me that this is so. they aren't being given actual solid money, note. they are given bezzlars, most of which come back to the loop immediately

16:59:59 asciilifeform: the 160k 'can't buy turkeys'

17:00:06 asciilifeform: or crates of kalash

17:10:03 ben_vulpes: http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2015/06/bill-nye-the-universe-will-provide/

17:10:04 assbot: Bill Nye: The Universe Will Provide (NSFW) | The Big Picture ... ( http://bit.ly/1GcTDPP )

17:10:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42750 @ 0.00034526 = 14.7599 BTC [-]

17:11:54 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: lols

17:14:22 pete_dushenski: pretty much just same old idiots running around using larger-than-life forces to explain their existences

17:14:29 pete_dushenski: s/universe/god

17:14:42 pete_dushenski: just the secular scientistic use of the same term

17:15:39 pete_dushenski: without any of the "i'll put it in god's hands" or "god only knows" deference, sadly

17:17:35 pete_dushenski: "Nye was born on November 27, 1955, in Washington, D.C., to Jacqueline (née Jenkins; 1921–2000), a codebreaker during World War II, and Edwin Darby "Ned" Nye (1917–97), also a World War II veteran, whose experience without electricity in a Japanese prisoner of war camp led him to become a sundial enthusiast."

17:17:54 pete_dushenski: asketh of retardopedia for lulz, and lulz ye shall receive.

17:18:58 pete_dushenski: "i know, let's let anyone who wants to edit articles have admin privileges because wanting is the only barrier to entry our society has !"

17:19:14 pete_dushenski: cripes.

17:20:10 trinque: ben_vulpes: heh that one had me roaring

17:22:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89850 @ 0.00033896 = 30.4556 BTC [-] {2}

17:28:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 168638 @ 0.00033541 = 56.5629 BTC [-] {2}

17:29:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.20427544 = 1.0214 BTC [-]

17:32:26 thestringpuller: ;;bc,stats

17:32:29 gribble: Current Blocks: 359550 | Current Difficulty: 4.758959115362501E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 360863 | Next Difficulty In: 1313 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 22 hours, 22 minutes, and 2 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47141564727.5 | Estimated Percent Change: -0.94144

17:32:48 thestringpuller: !t h b.mine

17:32:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK:B.MINE] 1D: 0.20500000 / 0.2054 / 0.20550000 (10 shares, 2.05399999 BTC), 7D: 0.20500000 / 0.2054 / 0.20550000 (10 shares, 2.05399999 BTC), 30D: 0.00005214 / 0.00030791 / 0.20550000 (368178 shares, 113.36474897 BTC)

17:33:12 thestringpuller: !t h b.sell

17:33:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK:B.SELL] 1D: 0.07000000 / 0.08499999 / 0.09999998 (2 shares, 0.16999998 BTC), 7D: 0.07000000 / 0.08499999 / 0.09999998 (2 shares, 0.16999998 BTC), 30D: 0.00000001 / 1.77E-6 / 0.09999998 (374724 shares, 0.66177717 BTC)

17:36:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87150 @ 0.00034011 = 29.6406 BTC [+]

17:37:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.20427544 = 1.0214 BTC [-]

17:48:50 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: is there a non-derp version of this: http://www.wired.com/2014/12/hacker-lexicon-air-gap/ << i.e. an extension of the fraudsters air-gap article.

17:49:28 thestringpuller: the fraudsters article on practical airgapping is a good start, but a "read more"

17:52:05 mike_c: "But many companies insist that a network or system is sufficiently air-gapped even if it is only separated from other computers or networks by a software firewall." << uh, not that one.

17:53:35 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell williamdunne btw, were you going to put bitbet bets in scoopbot ?

17:53:35 gribble: The operation succeeded.

17:55:01 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well obviously. but the problem for hypocrites is : i may at may lesure discuss their affairs in either the nominal terms they put forth or the actual realty involved, and randomly equate one branch with another at any point i feel like.

17:55:14 mircea_popescu: the untenability of their position is aka the liar's curse.

17:55:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47300 @ 0.00034011 = 16.0872 BTC [+]

17:56:34 mircea_popescu: !up nocturne

17:57:45 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes from ritholz site : "Please use the comments to demonstrate your own ignorance, unfamiliarity with empirical data and lack of respect for scientific knowledge. Be sure to create straw men and argue against things I have neither said nor implied. If you could repeat previously discredited memes or steer the conversation into irrelevant, off topic discussions, it would be appreciated. Lastly, kindly forgo all

17:57:45 mircea_popescu: civility in your discourse . . . you are, after all, anonymous.

17:57:45 mircea_popescu: Leave a Reply You must be logged in to post a comment."

17:57:52 mircea_popescu: irony crits for some k's.

18:05:24 ben_vulpes: he's funny from time to time

18:07:58 mircea_popescu: i seem to recall the same thing

18:08:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 145206 @ 0.00033498 = 48.6411 BTC [-]

18:13:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34100 @ 0.00032998 = 11.2523 BTC [-]

18:15:14 mircea_popescu: "Assuming, as economists usually do in aggregate analysis, that capital enhances the productivity of labor, and labor enhances the productivity of capital, then the efficient reaction to less labor is to have less capital. Investment is the rate of change of the capital stock, so even small reductions in the capital stock may be achieved by large investment reductions for a short period of time. For this reason, invest

18:15:15 mircea_popescu: ment is expected to decline by a much greater percentage than consumption in the short term, and by the same percentage in the long term. In this view, the investment decline is entirely a reaction to the labor market, and not a cause of the low rates of labor usage."

18:15:32 mircea_popescu: aka, some countries are just not worth bothering with. the country of africa, the country of north america chief on the list.

18:18:10 chetty: !up Smallish

18:20:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57717 @ 0.00034215 = 19.7479 BTC [+] {4}

18:22:01 asciilifeform: https://life.indiegogo.com/fundraisers/a-new-engine-for-my-boat << poor mr o reduced to this ?

18:22:02 assbot: A new engine for my boat | Indiegogo Life ... ( http://bit.ly/1FCfHPi )

18:28:40 mircea_popescu: is that thing covered in ejaculate ?

18:29:22 mod6: hahaha

18:29:40 mod6: look how rusted the rocker arms are

18:30:52 mircea_popescu: in any case, 150 bucks, almost a full bitcoin. and he didn't even have to shove it up his ass.

18:31:23 mircea_popescu: !h

18:31:23 assbot: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot

18:31:39 mircea_popescu: https://res.cloudinary.com/indiegogo-media-prod-cld/image/upload/c_fill,h_660,w_660/v1433433357/cnxdchjhzr0omvb0ews1.jpg << somehow i thought he was younger.

18:31:40 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gd5366 )

18:35:45 BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> ;;later tell cazalla "sum" of money, not "some" in your last article. << fixed

18:36:49 mircea_popescu: "[Personal experience: I have taken on a recent high school grad (friend?s son) as an intern in my web development business. He was an above-average student in a Harvard University intro CS class and also completed AP Computer Science in high school plus an additional programming class. His current productivity is about 1/100th of a $25/hour Ukrainian or Filipino contract programmer so any wage+benefit package above

18:36:49 mircea_popescu: 25 cents per hour would be above the market-clearing price. Yet he can never reach the productivity of the foreign contractors unless he can get substantial work experience.]"

18:37:21 mircea_popescu: this matches my experience. the average english speaking "civilised world" young adult can pull on his own something between a dime and a quarter per hour's worth.

18:37:44 mircea_popescu: this doesn't actually cover the cost of maintaining the infrastructure he needs.

18:43:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3083 @ 0.00033544 = 1.0342 BTC [-]

18:45:43 ben_vulpes: link, mircea_popescu ?

18:46:37 mircea_popescu: One of the biggest surprises in the book is the importance of federal mortgage loan forgiveness: ?This chapter shows how all of these outcomes, and more, may be a direct result of stark incentives created by the FDIC and HAMP programs (hereafter jointly referenced as FH) and their practice of targeting the ratio of housing expenses to borrower income. The FH programs offer modifications on the basis of borrower incom

18:46:38 mircea_popescu: e reported to the United States Internal Revenue Service. The first section of the chapter shows how the programs resemble government safety net programs, except that the marginal income tax rates from mortgage modification far exceed 100 percent in some instances.? It turned out that a person?s mortgage payments would be reduced by $1.31 for every $1 fall in income. In other words a lower-income American with a mo

18:46:39 mircea_popescu: rtgage would have more spending power by working fewer hours and/or quitting altogether. Mulligan also notes that as the program was unfavorable to lenders they had a huge incentive to ?promote borrower confusion and uncertainty about the disposition of their modification application.? (i.e., the bureaucratic run-around might not have been accidental!)

18:46:44 mircea_popescu: http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2015/06/01/book-review-the-redistribution-recession/

18:46:46 assbot: Philip Greenspun's Weblog » Book Review: The Redistribution Recession ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gd6Hom )

18:48:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 119002 @ 0.00032438 = 38.6019 BTC [-] {3}

18:52:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16815 @ 0.00032337 = 5.4375 BTC [-]

18:59:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54000 @ 0.00033643 = 18.1672 BTC [+] {2}

19:04:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44638 @ 0.00034425 = 15.3666 BTC [+]

19:09:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84121 @ 0.00035438 = 29.8108 BTC [+]

19:27:40 BingoBoingo: http://cointelegraph.com/news/114481/chinese-exchanges-reject-gavin-andresens-20-mb-block-size-increase

19:27:42 assbot: Chinese Exchanges Reject Gavin Andresen’s 20 MB Block Size Increase ... ( http://bit.ly/1HQDIDC )

19:31:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45447 @ 0.00035438 = 16.1055 BTC [+]

19:32:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54553 @ 0.000355 = 19.3663 BTC [+] {2}

19:33:09 thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: the commentary on reddit is bottom of the barrel.

19:33:31 BingoBoingo: Yeah, but too be expected

19:38:36 thestringpuller: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/38os22/chinese_exchanges_reject_gavin_andresens_20_mb/crwqk0r << the only good comment in that thread of poo

19:42:31 davout: thestringpuller: good one indeed

19:58:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95365 @ 0.00035686 = 34.032 BTC [+] {2}

20:05:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83200 @ 0.00034933 = 29.0643 BTC [-]

20:14:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3083 @ 0.00034933 = 1.077 BTC [-]

20:16:54 mircea_popescu: awww the butthurt.

20:26:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65311 @ 0.00035695 = 23.3128 BTC [+] {2}

20:29:49 mircea_popescu: http://www.fredoneverything.net/Commentators.shtml << dude i'm so fucking sick of this inept egalitatianism.

20:30:05 mircea_popescu: the point isn't that smart people are somehow misguidedly imagining that everyone's smart like them.

20:30:13 mircea_popescu: the point is that people who aren't like them have no fucking business here.

20:33:06 chetty: and I thought wasmostly dumb people imaging everyone else was too

20:34:01 mircea_popescu: that's common enough.

20:34:40 mircea_popescu: but specifically dregs like

20:34:41 mircea_popescu: "I often see victims of Commentator?s Disease arguing against the minimum wage on abstract grounds of economic theory. It is what commentators do?bandy abstractions, railing for or against Keynes, assaulting their ideological opponents with pointed phrases. They have never had to do the arithmetic of forty times the minimum wage minus taxes minus bus fare minus rent and gotta pay the cable because it is the only th

20:34:41 mircea_popescu: ing they have after work. They have never had to choose between the electric bill and a new coat as winter comes on."

20:34:54 mircea_popescu: dude... who the fuck said x SHOULDNT have to choose between electricity and a coat.

20:34:58 mircea_popescu: this is what fucking economy is. choice.

20:35:17 mircea_popescu: and yes, people don't get all they want, and the stupid don't get "basics" whereas the smart don't get "unimportant stuff".

20:35:41 mircea_popescu: this has more to do with the fact that ipso definitio the preoccupations of the stupid will be banal. they don't have what with to miss things above a coat.

20:36:19 mircea_popescu: if we're in weepathon mode, how about for every coat some poor kid borne by stupid parents never got,

20:36:43 mircea_popescu: we count the fifty billion complex mechanical dragonflies rich kids borne by smart parents never got.

20:37:11 jurov: http://www.explo.yt/eulora/Eulora-June12015-win32.7z anyone wanna try it? i should have borrowed alf's ascii art, tho :D

20:37:16 chetty: well simple fact is raising the min wage isnt going to get that coat anyway, so its a silly argument

20:37:16 mircea_popescu: i have to choose between fixing X software and Y policy. because the idiots that came before me have made NOT ONE RIGHT THING.

20:37:16 mircea_popescu: not one.

20:37:21 mircea_popescu: nothing's correctly made.

20:37:40 mircea_popescu: jurov has to choose between taking 3 gb out of the 4gb binary or fixing email.

20:37:50 jurov: sha256sum: 4a62082679875681654a7f4fd5844f5f33bff7a6cbc3ca0c8cefe4a85a8a066f Eulora-June12015-win32.7z

20:37:57 jurov: 500M in the end

20:37:58 mircea_popescu: fucking hell, poor idiots and their coats, i hope they never see a coat again and live in antarctica for the rest of their dais.

20:38:32 mircea_popescu: chetty sure, but whatr insults me here is the pretense that somehow the feelings of the bovine are more important inasmuch as they;re mostly absent.

20:38:34 mircea_popescu: fuck that.

20:39:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66700 @ 0.000358 = 23.8786 BTC [+] {2}

20:39:31 jurov: whet email is broken?

20:39:36 jurov: *what

20:39:44 mircea_popescu: all email is broken.

20:40:04 jurov: everyday snafu

20:40:37 mircea_popescu: jurov 500mb is not too bad considering the sourceball is like 160mb

20:41:16 jurov: fortunately almost all crud was in src/ out/ and mk/ dirs

20:44:23 jurov: now, if someone can lend me osx machine...

20:45:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 213700 @ 0.00035813 = 76.5324 BTC [+] {3}

20:46:09 chetty: jurov is the magic man, well doneand thank you

20:46:30 jurov: i'm still waiting for independent confirmation

20:46:47 mircea_popescu: jurov plox make a post on exployt so i can reference it in the future etc ?

20:47:03 jurov: about the release?

20:47:06 mircea_popescu: if you need bw support i can host the file on eulora server

20:47:06 mircea_popescu: yes

20:47:28 jurov: yes, if it works, pls host it there

20:47:41 mircea_popescu: one sec

20:54:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 112600 @ 0.00035881 = 40.402 BTC [+] {2}

20:56:23 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: do we just post here for a login?

20:56:30 mircea_popescu: basically.

21:02:50 thestringpuller: what do you need to make one?

21:06:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93100 @ 0.00035944 = 33.4639 BTC [+] {3}

21:06:44 mircea_popescu: i need you to stop trying to go around things as if you're going to maintain some sort of control over the process or something. what all the periphrase and metaconsiderations ? you've seen a dozen people get one through saying the magic words "gimme one" or somesuch.

21:06:45 scoopbot_revived: Bandits Stick Up Craigslist Bitcoin Seller http://qntra.net/2015/06/bandits-stick-up-craigslist-bitcoin-seller/

21:06:50 mircea_popescu: do the same, not likely ot kill ya.

21:12:50 mike_c: jurov: is that a debug build?

21:12:57 jurov: yes

21:13:17 mircea_popescu: why ?

21:13:28 mike_c: wouldn't run because missing msvcp100d.dll, the debug version of that library.

21:13:49 mircea_popescu: jurov wouldn't it make sense to just strip the symbols and etc for a release ?

21:13:49 scoopbot_revived: Eulora for Windows http://explo.yt/post/2015/06/05/Eulora-for-Windows

21:14:02 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: lets go with "Damien Wayne"

21:14:08 jurov: ^ mircea_popescu your url.

21:14:20 jurov: but ofc it will need to be updated

21:15:04 mike_c: won't it likely also run quite slowly? is it tough to get release building?

21:15:25 jurov: it ran fine here

21:15:53 mike_c: you have the debug VC redistributable file :)

21:16:58 jurov: no i mean the speed

21:17:03 mike_c: ah

21:17:38 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller http://dpaste.com/19CPJP7

21:17:40 assbot: dpaste: 19CPJP7 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ha7EP2 )

21:17:48 mircea_popescu: (you pick your own name in game)

21:17:53 thestringpuller: ah

21:18:12 mircea_popescu: jurov danke

21:19:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84200 @ 0.00036001 = 30.3128 BTC [+]

21:20:22 mircea_popescu: in other news, stuff that'll get cazalla sent to prison : http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbf37krn4p1qkw0kjo1_1280.jpg

21:20:22 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ha8b3w )

21:21:04 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bingoboingo "The dangers of trapping has"

21:21:05 gribble: The operation succeeded.

21:26:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 12 @ 0.20427544 = 2.4513 BTC [-]

21:29:54 cazalla: mircea_popescu, i think it's only illegal if she was urinating on another

21:29:57 shinohai: http://bit.ly/1Ha8b3w <<< the fount or reddit's knowledge

21:29:58 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ha9YWp )

21:30:05 shinohai: *of

21:38:16 mike_c: I feel so close yet so far :) jurov: do you think you can crank out a release version or should I hunt down a debug version of the VC libraries?

21:39:03 jurov: mike_c i don't know, try with the debug version

21:40:36 kuzetsa: this new !verify thing was unexpected, but not too hard to figure out

21:41:29 mircea_popescu: cazalla oh i c

21:41:43 mircea_popescu: kuzetsa you here for the eulora ? :D

21:42:00 cazalla: speaking of eulora, binaries avail yet?

21:42:06 trinque: what's australia now, alabama of the sea?

21:42:09 mircea_popescu: yes jurov just made a windows thing

21:42:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 224450 @ 0.00034931 = 78.4026 BTC [-] {2}

21:42:32 cazalla: in logs? (still catching up)

21:42:38 jurov: ..that doesn't work outside msvc10 yet

21:43:06 mircea_popescu: cazalla apparently it doesn't work 100% yet but hey, won't be long nao

21:44:30 kuzetsa: no, I play everquest, minecraft, kerbal space program, and various game APKs on my android device but nothing about eulora looks interesting to me :(

21:44:42 kuzetsa: not my cup of tea

21:45:00 mircea_popescu: aok

21:47:03 cazalla: kuzetsa, p99?

21:48:03 kuzetsa: no, proper everquest (even though it's now run by daybreak games ever since the sony online entertainment studio had all the rights sold)

21:48:57 cazalla: yeah, i heard about that, my bet is eqn gets shitcanned too

21:49:58 cazalla: best mmorpg evar, but i can't imagine playing eq post velious tbh

21:50:07 kuzetsa: loosing out on whatever EQN supposedly brought with it isn't anything I'll miss (hell, I was never invested into such things enough to even know what it is)

21:50:39 kuzetsa: I'm pretty sure AAs were pre-velious

21:50:51 kuzetsa: I've got a non-zero amount of AAs on my main

21:50:55 cazalla: AAs came with PoP

21:51:12 cazalla: actually might've been luclin

21:51:29 kuzetsa: I've gotta admit, I never paid attention to the timeline enough to know if planes of power / luclin / velious / etc. etc. etc. came before or after <other expansion>

21:52:10 cazalla: kunark, velious, luclin, planes of power, frog xpac which was the first dlc (when i quit)

21:52:19 kuzetsa: nod

21:52:28 cazalla: i spent 16 hours a day playing that shit for years so..

21:53:18 kuzetsa: I did that on starwars galaxies

21:53:46 cazalla: never played it but i have read that it was great prior to some big patch

21:54:04 kuzetsa: I started with everquest, but once that came out SWG became my main MMO for 7 years but then they shut it down a while ago so I dunno

21:54:54 kuzetsa: I miss it, and that "old republic" MMO is rubbish and almost none of my friends from SWG liked it and neither did I lol

21:56:12 cazalla: i still have my old eq boxes with the keith parkinson artwork, wouldn't mind getting some of his long ago signed pieces http://www.keithparkinson.com/images/sov.jpg but can't really spring for it at this point

21:56:14 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1HaeRyI )

21:56:25 cazalla: for the money spent on it, swtor was utter shit

21:56:35 kuzetsa: lol yeah

21:56:59 kuzetsa: too much work on game engine design and not enough development into the worldbuidling, gameplay, and storyline

21:57:01 kuzetsa: it's nothing like SWG

21:57:39 cazalla: his diablo 2 art is nice too http://www.keithparkinson.com/images/diablo2.png

21:57:41 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1HafacH )

21:58:35 cazalla: kuzetsa, i didn't even reach the level cap in swtor, it was basically an inferior WoW with voice overs

21:58:49 kuzetsa: heh

21:59:00 jurov: mike_c there? looks like i have nondebug build

22:04:47 danielpbarron: !up referredbyloper_

22:05:23 jurov: mike_c or anyone else who has downloaded the win32 package: unpack this in C:\Eulora\June2015\Eulora

22:05:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50687 @ 0.00034781 = 17.6294 BTC [-] {2}

22:06:00 jurov: http://www.explo.yt/eulora/Eulora-June12015-win32nondebug.7z

22:06:06 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1HagKeR )

22:07:10 jurov: (only binaries, 11MB)

22:07:46 trinque: jurov: prolly good to post a hash of teh thing

22:08:38 jurov: sha256sum 7f02d5a9e0d42422a82b28e1a08ee3765798e75e604082fddac9164def6c4f7a Eulora-June12015-win32nondebug.7z

22:08:44 jurov: thx trinque

22:09:04 trinque: sweet

22:17:20 williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Yes, and possibly the curated porn list. I've been busy this week on a rescue mission

22:17:44 mircea_popescu: kitens ?

22:18:36 williamdunne: Gay disabled blind orphan paraplegic puppies

22:19:29 trinque: reminds me of some old flash game from the 90s that involved an amputee dog

22:21:04 williamdunne: >flash

22:21:54 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: newz!

22:22:03 asciilifeform: 1) phuctor now has 'download this key' link

22:22:04 trinque: williamdunne: 90s were all about flash mang

22:22:40 williamdunne: While its not 90s, for me it was always Runescape

22:22:43 asciilifeform: 2) http://nosuchlabs.com/rss but not sure if this can be used in battlefield, because - guess what - werker never marked dates of phuctoring, and hence db schema never had a place for this. ergo the only dates we have are of -date submitted-

22:22:45 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1HakgFZ )

22:22:45 williamdunne: ~2003

22:23:17 asciilifeform: presently the rss link displays last 10 (in order added to db in first place, rather than order-of-phuctoring)

22:23:29 asciilifeform: the whole thing -will- have to be re-written...

22:24:00 *: asciilifeform fucking hates www programming and anything even remotely connected

22:24:25 jurov: asciilifeform wd!

22:24:28 trinque: even hunchentoot?

22:24:31 asciilifeform: well not quite wd

22:24:33 asciilifeform: see above

22:24:46 asciilifeform: trinque: even hunchentoot. the www stack is fundamentally retarded

22:24:56 trinque: can't argue with that

22:24:56 jurov: like my windows binaries. *shrug*

22:25:33 jurov: is anyone trying them? if not' i'm supposed to wake up tmrw

22:25:43 jurov: and sleep before that

22:26:02 trinque: jurov: I have no windoze box to test with, but will be derping with gentoo 64 tomorrow

22:27:35 williamdunne: I'll have a shot with Windoze tomorrow

22:30:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80650 @ 0.00035661 = 28.7606 BTC [+]

22:30:27 cazalla: mircea_popescu, please to provide me with a login/pass for eulora

22:30:42 cazalla: jurov, i'll give your windows binaries a whirl in a moment

22:31:09 cazalla: crystalspace3d.org is slow as fuck to get cs-win32libs-2.1_003.exe from btw

22:31:27 shinohai: ty asciilifeform for the rss feed, as now I can search easily from my irc client :D

22:31:41 asciilifeform: shinohai: it may or may not be usable, please read disclaimer

22:32:11 asciilifeform: the reason i cannot say for certain, is that i have very little idea of what a typical rss -reader- does with the timestamp

22:32:21 asciilifeform: and can't presently be arsed to research it

22:32:38 kakobrekla: hence rss suicide joke.

22:32:45 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: ?

22:33:12 kakobrekla: i thought it was in the bash somewhere

22:33:56 funkenstein_: greets - I'm curious what all y'all have to say about moxie's review of gpg

22:34:09 funkenstein_: http://www.thoughtcrime.org/blog/gpg-and-me/

22:34:09 assbot: Moxie Marlinspike >> Blog >> GPG And Me ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hambua )

22:34:12 kakobrekla: anyway, the idea was that Aaron Swartz made suicide precisely because of RSS

22:34:15 asciilifeform: !s marlinspike

22:34:16 assbot: 12 results for 'marlinspike' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=marlinspike

22:34:21 asciilifeform: funkenstein_ ^

22:34:54 funkenstein_: ah thanks... *runs to catch up*

22:35:01 asciilifeform: funkenstein_: short version - mr m is a usg shill

22:35:16 funkenstein_: :o

22:35:56 trinque: til he picked that name on purpose

22:36:09 kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=12-01-2015#975028 yeah.

22:36:09 assbot: Logged on 12-01-2015 23:56:21; kakobrekla: whoever responsible for rss should commit suicide.

22:36:09 asciilifeform: trinque: it's a navalism, like 'mark twain'

22:36:31 funkenstein_: maybe he saw the future of reddit

22:36:37 trinque: asciilifeform: yep, sounded like hippie parents to me

22:36:42 shinohai: lol

22:36:53 asciilifeform: and naggum then perhaps performed seppuku to atone for xml

22:37:47 mircea_popescu: motherfucker NOTHING WORKS

22:37:51 asciilifeform: aha.

22:38:01 mircea_popescu: open source is an open invitation to waste your life debugging stupid shti

22:38:05 asciilifeform: aha.

22:38:26 mircea_popescu: 19:42:04 Error: Connection timed out.

22:38:29 asciilifeform: mine?

22:38:35 mircea_popescu: is pureftpd up and listening oin port ? yes.

22:38:42 mircea_popescu: is port open in firewall ? yes.

22:38:47 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: passive mode ?

22:39:01 mircea_popescu: and what am i to do, go rebuild apache or install alsa or what the fucking shit already

22:39:06 asciilifeform: ftp by default on many systems expects an idiot back-connect

22:39:17 asciilifeform: on random (yes) port

22:39:45 mircea_popescu: forcing passive doesn't do anything

22:41:22 asciilifeform: would have to sniff packets on both sides and see where, if anywhere, they went. alternatively, set fire to it

22:42:33 trinque: dwarf fortress tends to come to mind there

22:42:41 trinque: you could learn how to play, and it might end up being fun, but wtf bother

22:42:42 mircea_popescu: yes, because that's what i'm going to do with my time, sniff motherfucking packlets.

22:42:55 jurov: cazalla, i got it fine quickly from cs

22:42:58 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: see also earlier (20 min or so) thread re: rss

22:43:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 160449 @ 0.00036022 = 57.7969 BTC [+] {3}

22:43:38 jurov: also, added its sum to http://explo.yt/post/2015/06/05/Eulora-for-Windows . looks like they don't publish the checksums at all

22:43:38 assbot: Eulora for Windows - serialized delusions ... ( http://bit.ly/1RQUOIQ )

22:44:10 jurov: ^ temporary instructions there,

22:44:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8545 @ 0.00035939 = 3.071 BTC [-]

22:45:48 asciilifeform: in other nyooz,

22:45:49 asciilifeform: http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B9EAEC825308C0EFCC787F82E9B5F2EEA4775641C49274D12A1EB2B6520F7FD1

22:45:52 assbot: Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1RQV62f )

22:46:06 asciilifeform: ^ non-'magic'

22:47:50 asciilifeform: factors 3, 7, 11, 23

22:48:36 cazalla: jurov, any idea what this is on the cs-winlibs install? can't find C:\Program Files (x86)\MSYS\msys\1.0\etc\profile when installing MSYS integration settings

22:48:37 asciilifeform: https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?search=line%40home.com&op=index << and, as always, somebody 'helpfully' uploaded it 'on top of' this fella's genuine key

22:48:38 assbot: Search results for 'line home com' ... ( http://bit.ly/1HaoEVx )

22:49:27 jurov: you don't have msys, nor vs, that can be safely cancelled

22:49:39 jurov: cazalla ^

22:51:01 cazalla: hmm no go, missing MSVCP100D.dll

22:51:57 jurov: damn

22:53:14 asciilifeform: hm, 'line home com' has -two identical- keys, uploaded on same date, bitwise same

22:53:27 jurov: http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=5555 cazalla you can try this

22:53:28 assbot: Download Microsoft Visual C++ 2010 Redistributable Package (x86) from Official Microsoft Download Center ... ( http://bit.ly/1RQWdPF )

22:53:31 asciilifeform: so no sample of undiddled modulus for this key is known.

22:53:41 cazalla: jurov, just did, same error

22:54:21 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is the second or perhaps third instance thus far that i have found so far of someone who -will- be spoken to using phucked key if anyone ever bothers to speak to him

22:55:14 asciilifeform: aaand we are now at precisely 40 phucked moduli.

22:56:01 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform line@home ?

22:56:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15850 @ 0.00035398 = 5.6106 BTC [-]

22:56:51 mircea_popescu: cazalla coming up

22:59:17 mircea_popescu: cazalla http://dpaste.com/3A2ZYVP

22:59:19 assbot: dpaste: 3A2ZYVP ... ( http://bit.ly/1Haqe9I )

23:00:09 mircea_popescu: <cazalla> crystalspace3d.org is slow as fuck to get cs-win32libs-2.1_003.exe from btw << link ? jurov can then mirror it along with everything else.

23:01:20 cazalla: jurov problem with what i'm doing or the client? not sure what else i can do here now

23:02:25 mircea_popescu: for the record, my ftp problem was that someone had the bright idea of allowing port 21, but not port 20.

23:02:28 mircea_popescu: needless to say...

23:07:53 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: earlier link to freshly phucked key

23:10:35 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: can the rss thing be made to work as expected in the form of a #b-a bot ? or too b0rk3d

23:12:00 jurov: asciilifeform: you mean bot reading rss feed? we have that.

23:14:17 williamdunne: Scoopbot can read any RSS or atom feed

23:14:32 kakobrekla: as far as i can tell dates are incorrect but the order is correct in your feed ? thats workable. perhaps scoop can cover it. i can too.

23:14:38 asciilifeform: williamdunne: the dates are entirely unusable. see thread

23:15:04 asciilifeform: i recall that mircea_popescu asked for a real-time phuctor ticker.

23:15:08 asciilifeform: hence why i attempted it

23:16:27 kakobrekla: williamdunne be my guest!

23:23:05 williamdunne: asciilifeform: Dates aren't involved in Scoop's processes

23:23:32 williamdunne: Thoroughly ignored by him.

23:24:05 williamdunne: Uses a persisted Map of URLs to objects. Messages when he sees a new one

23:24:24 asciilifeform: what determines 'new' ?

23:24:35 williamdunne: Whether or not the URL is in the map

23:24:42 asciilifeform: and stores forever ?

23:24:56 williamdunne: Persisted, yes

23:25:04 asciilifeform: thing is, it is actually possible for the same phuctor url to be new twice.

23:25:15 asciilifeform: rss provided no sane way to handle this.

23:25:25 williamdunne: In this case I may have to make a custom set of rules for Phuctor

23:25:43 williamdunne: This is not a problem, so long as something changes between first seen and the update

23:25:52 williamdunne: (title, ideally)

23:26:35 asciilifeform: it is entirely possible for same key to be 'new' twice in succession.

23:27:25 williamdunne: Within how long of each other?

23:27:35 asciilifeform: immediately.

23:27:47 williamdunne: Well then why does this matter? Scoop shares it once and you see both

23:28:11 asciilifeform: it doesn't matter. just pointing out that the thing follows literally none of the prescribed assumptions

23:28:24 asciilifeform: wouldn't want scoopbot to choke on it

23:28:51 williamdunne: Fair enough, think he'll do fine. Fits in quite well with his existing logic

23:30:57 shinohai: https://np.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/38mhrh/call_me_inconsiderate_but_this_is_why_i_dont_take/crw6atd

23:30:58 assbot: luke-jr comments on Call me inconsiderate, but THIS is why I don't take Luke-Jr seriously: He lost the majority of his coins on Mt. Gox when there were signs FOR MONTHS to NOT keep coins there. He lacks the ability to properly gauge situations and look into the future. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jxr94n )

23:31:13 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> thing is, it is actually possible for the same phuctor url to be new twice. << it'll be fine im sure.

23:32:50 asciilifeform: was just pointing out the braindamage of the whole concept of rss

23:33:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78850 @ 0.00035104 = 27.6795 BTC [-]

23:33:13 asciilifeform: (and this is entirely aside from the idiocy of how servers get polled continuously, etc)

23:33:18 williamdunne: >just using it for safekeeping

23:33:19 williamdunne: Yes

23:33:22 williamdunne: RSS is silly

23:33:40 williamdunne: With Scoop I worked out a structure that fixes some of the issues

23:33:43 williamdunne: i.e Dates

23:34:28 williamdunne: Re: polling, what would you suggest as the alternative? Websockets?

23:34:45 asciilifeform: williamdunne: no

23:34:51 asciilifeform: williamdunne: a proper internet

23:35:12 asciilifeform: as in, we take everything post-1990 or so and shoot it. then start over.

23:35:26 williamdunne: I'll get working on it on Monday

23:35:30 williamdunne: ;)

23:35:30 asciilifeform: l0l

23:38:26 williamdunne: Anyhow, what in particular is wrong with it? While there is a host of derpy technologies I'm quite fond of some things - like WebSockets

23:38:40 asciilifeform: williamdunne: fundamentally - the idiot polling

23:38:45 asciilifeform: all else follows from this.

23:39:32 williamdunne: Isn't that the point of WebSockets, getting rid of derpy polling?

23:39:43 williamdunne: No moar ajax polling

23:41:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34271 @ 0.00034316 = 11.7604 BTC [-] {2}

23:42:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51129 @ 0.00034012 = 17.39 BTC [-] {2}