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00:00:40 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1187182 << add lying schmucks to a degree not experienced since kindergarten on pirate island. the f2pool admin's explanation is "we got the bad block from antpool, who we don't know how they got because they told us they only follow us"

00:00:40 assbot: Logged on 04-07-2015 16:41:04; asciilifeform: ;;later tell kakobrekla my current understanding of the ph0rk situation is that your hypothesis re: miners being dumb as bricks is essentially correct...

00:01:03 mircea_popescu: because yes, we're fucktarded enough to not notice what's proposed here is a closed f2pool - antpool loop. they're over there in their own parallel universe.

00:01:17 mircea_popescu: i dunno when it became fashionable to be infantile, but i'm getting pretty sick of it.

00:02:39 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1187220 << so are they :D

00:02:39 assbot: Logged on 04-07-2015 17:23:18; trinque: yeah, I'm being hyperbolic

00:03:34 ben_vulpes: ohai punkman

00:05:37 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185652 << i really gotta post ak47.sh to the ml

00:05:37 assbot: Logged on 03-07-2015 19:49:35; shinohai: mod6: if you want another auto.sh, I'll try and help you when I understand this new build xD

00:06:24 mircea_popescu: "Note that the roughly 50% of the network that was SPV mining had explicitly indicated that they would enforce the BIP66 rules. By not doing so, several large miners have lost over $50,000 dollars worth of mining income so far."

00:06:36 mircea_popescu: leaving aside the inept spin they published, why the fuck are we pricing things in dollars.

00:06:38 shinohai: I finally got it set up correctly this evening, it pays to look at things when you aren't fantastically drunk

00:06:44 mircea_popescu: have the decency to use zimbabwe pula or something

00:11:03 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185677 << ediff :P

00:11:03 assbot: Logged on 03-07-2015 19:56:42; trinque: could refine that to "and then presents me a buffer of the diff"

00:11:17 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185238 << lol asciilifeform check out how studious this guy is

00:11:17 assbot: Logged on 03-07-2015 15:30:34; scoopbot_revived: Hits and misses of Ted "The Unabomber" Kaczynski. http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/03/hits-and-misses-of-ted-the-unabomber-kaczynski/

00:12:04 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185240 << where the fuck was "blasphemy" ever illegal.

00:12:04 assbot: Logged on 03-07-2015 15:44:14; assbot: Iceland makes blasphemy legal - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1UhMCDq )

00:12:10 mircea_popescu: dude i grew up sheltered in communist romania.

00:12:55 williamdunne: How old are you MP?

00:13:25 mircea_popescu: bout 35

00:14:02 williamdunne: Oh that makes sense.

00:14:08 williamdunne: Lovely potato monument celebrating it

00:14:29 mircea_popescu: huh ?

00:15:05 williamdunne: The revolutionary potato

00:15:06 williamdunne: http://www.bucharestdailyphoto.com/photos/2009/09/IMG_9113.JPG

00:15:07 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1NEB48g )

00:15:07 shinohai: >mfw I see a guy named "popescu" on the fbi wanted list.

00:15:36 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185320 << incidentally, twelve generations of peasants died in a pool of their own blood to get ownership over the fucking tools, as a precursor to over the land and eventually their life.

00:15:37 assbot: Logged on 03-07-2015 17:45:53; pete_dushenski: punkman: ah yes, how farmers don't own the tools of their trade. sad story, that.

00:15:48 mircea_popescu: these idiots gave it all back because they gotta be jwz.

00:16:25 mircea_popescu: no place on earth was ever such an openm insult to the human spirit as north america is these days.

00:16:31 mircea_popescu: except, perhaps, for africa. again.

00:17:24 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185329 << except cheaper to adapt the yard to the robot, as in all examination markets. so you get those round cultivated fields with a pillar in middle etc.

00:17:24 assbot: Logged on 03-07-2015 17:48:44; decimation: actually I would pay good money for a robot that could wonder through a yard and pull weeds

00:19:56 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185391 << they were, after all, jews

00:19:56 assbot: Logged on 03-07-2015 17:57:51; ascii_field: this is amply described in the literature

00:21:05 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185395 << ceausescu did exactly this. if police found you oin the street and you had no place of employment, you'd get a beating and get force-sent to either vocational prison-school if underage or work camp if overage.

00:21:05 assbot: Logged on 03-07-2015 17:58:57; trinque: pete_dushenski: I had this notion regarding the bums all over portland, that someone should take them to nearby farms for day labor in exchange for meals, showers, and somewhere to be warehoused at night.

00:21:37 mircea_popescu: this horrible trampling of rightrs and liberties resulted in a romania with absolutely no bums, and moreover, in the anedcodtic situation where i picked up a cab from the train station

00:21:45 mircea_popescu: and the cab driver was looking at this bum laying down

00:22:06 mircea_popescu: and he told me that he was an orphan, and that he got put by the commieus through the above grinder, and now he has a family and owns his car.

00:22:15 mircea_popescu: and i agree it's a pity nobody cares enough to beat up that bum.

00:22:19 mircea_popescu: so there we go.

00:23:01 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185400 << he got you there you know.

00:23:01 assbot: Logged on 03-07-2015 18:00:02; pete_dushenski: ascii_field: you buying a case of z80s or pogos is reallocating capital

00:23:35 mircea_popescu: even not counting the nsa etc ; pogo is a capital good.

00:24:01 mircea_popescu: !up ascii_modem

00:24:52 ascii_modem: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1187759 << mno, capital (tm) shits money

00:24:52 assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 00:23:01; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185400 << he got you there you know.

00:25:00 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185407 << plox to review the original discussion on the original list. http://fraudsters.com/2013/digging-through-archives-yields-gold/#selection-113.0-113.416

00:25:00 assbot: Logged on 03-07-2015 18:04:12; funkenstein_: only in so much as farmers and homeowners accept their counterfeits

00:25:01 assbot: Digging through archives yields gold on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NEBNpS )

00:25:14 mircea_popescu: ascii_modem you're not going to redefine terms of art now, are you ?

00:25:33 ascii_modem: iirc classic sense ?

00:25:47 ascii_modem: i.e. my pants arent capital

00:25:47 mircea_popescu: capital goods produce value. all there is to them.

00:25:58 mircea_popescu: pogo is not your pants.

00:26:31 mircea_popescu: as much as running your own server is controlling a capital good. not a very significant one, but that's a quantitative discussion

00:27:14 mircea_popescu: arguably intelligence is similarly of a capital good, and you have enough control of it to, for instance, contribute here. other people do not have this luxury - for instance because they agreed some employer owns it all.

00:27:17 mircea_popescu: so... no.

00:27:26 ascii_modem: sorta like gravity. yes, sufficiently far from solar system, anyone can become a 'stellar body' if you shove him out airlock

00:27:52 mircea_popescu: i thought you reasoned in categories.

00:28:00 ascii_modem: aha

00:28:02 mircea_popescu: what's this "quantity is the determinator of quality" approach then ?

00:28:43 ascii_modem: original thread was re 'who is wageslave and who - capitalist'

00:28:47 mircea_popescu: see ag3nt_zero, syllogism. reductio ad absurdum. present the op with a dilemma, so he can either explain what was misunderstood or correct what he misunderstood

00:28:59 mircea_popescu: well sure, original thread.

00:30:56 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185411 << they aren't always performing. most of them can't perform worth a shit. nevertheless, the sexual exploitation of women is an important element of mental health, including for the women in question, for women in general, for men in general...

00:30:56 assbot: Logged on 03-07-2015 18:06:43; mats: BingoBoingo: 'There's no regulation', '... and it's really difficult to believe that the girls who were crying when they're being "raped" are always acting and performing'

00:31:03 mircea_popescu: so i fully expect this to get "regulated".

00:33:27 ascii_modem: pogo & the other junk is in different category than 'capital proper' in my mind because none of this stuff 'pays for itself'

00:33:27 ascii_modem: as, e.g., fisherman's boat does

00:33:38 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185445 << to hear him say it, he's like that beat up chimp in the experiments

00:33:38 assbot: Logged on 03-07-2015 18:14:11; ascii_field: what family i've left is in it too

00:33:52 mircea_popescu: ascii_modem so far seemingly phuctor does ?

00:34:52 ascii_modem: it's a pet, apparently

00:35:42 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185497 << what's the job mostly, looking at deep frozen pork bellies ?

00:35:42 assbot: Logged on 03-07-2015 18:25:12; pete_dushenski: public health inspector :)

00:36:11 ascii_modem: for those who don't know - mircea_popescu contributed the bix phuctor runs on

00:36:27 ascii_modem: box

00:36:29 mircea_popescu: comes out of nsa accts tho. eventually.

00:36:34 ascii_modem: aha

00:36:48 ascii_modem: so not clear how 'pays for self'

00:36:55 mircea_popescu: thus ?

00:37:07 ascii_modem: rather, running on battery like other things

00:37:52 mircea_popescu: take the other side. i approved expenditure of ~7.5 btc on advertising as ceo of s.mg ; and of ~.25 (unreported, maybe next month i remember to put it in) on s.nsa.

00:38:00 mircea_popescu: the roi for the first was 0, the roi for the 2nd not 0.

00:38:05 mircea_popescu: how then, not "pay for self" ?

00:40:30 ascii_modem: in other nyuz, i'm sitting under the megaphallus in washington, and blinking eye of sauron

00:40:52 mircea_popescu: send our most heartfelt regards

00:41:36 ascii_modem: traditional holiday here. and there is a spybot in the cloud. which is lulzy because there is a huge sign, 'no smoking'-style, with crossed-out chopper

00:41:45 ascii_modem: 'no droning'

00:43:29 ascii_modem: pet saw it too, after i pointed where to look

00:45:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27600 @ 0.0005477 = 15.1165 BTC [+] {2}

00:45:18 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185519 << nowhere remarkable. why ?

00:45:19 assbot: Logged on 03-07-2015 18:37:57; mats: ;;later tell dignork http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2015#1025687 << this ever go anywhere?

00:47:39 mats: contemplating hiring someone to work on it but it appears dignork has made much progress

00:47:56 mircea_popescu: eh, these hirign someone to work on things deals never work out.

00:48:02 ascii_modem: shamir poker?!?

00:48:55 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185643 << this works ?

00:48:55 assbot: Logged on 03-07-2015 19:43:30; funkenstein_: "southern pride" spamming qntra in an effort to discredit the site methinks

00:49:14 mats: yeah, ascii_modem

00:49:25 mats: i'd ordinarily do all the work myself but carpal tunnel is a srs rate limiter

00:50:10 ascii_modem: if kbd is your bottleneck, yerdoingitwrong

00:50:34 punkman: all that scrolling takes a toll

00:50:54 mats: probably.

00:51:00 ascii_modem: ditto

00:51:13 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185658 << this is not merely a difference of workflow, but a difference of philosophy. we are not interested in automation, we are interested in review and responsibility. the only concern that thing is adressing is that we find a critical bug tomorrow, i want to know who to negrate.

00:51:13 assbot: Logged on 03-07-2015 19:51:29; phf: mod6: sorry, i wasn't really prepared to explain what i mean, i thought you would just grok the request as an obvious one. we probably just have very different workflows

00:51:28 ascii_modem: if you have megatonne of code, yerdoingitwrong

00:51:52 ascii_modem: i don't even care what domain

00:52:02 punkman: I've never even learned to touchtype properly

00:52:06 mircea_popescu: this follows in the wake of a few threads mostly brought to a head by the opnessl idiocies you might wish to review phf if you've not seen them before.

00:52:19 ascii_modem: me neither

00:52:24 mircea_popescu: ascii_modem harem, actually. "if you have a ton of babes, doing it wrong"

00:52:27 mircea_popescu: (truth!)

00:52:36 punkman: ascii_modem, oh good, thought it was just me

00:52:45 mircea_popescu: i don't touch type either, not usually.

00:53:09 williamdunne: How comes?

00:53:09 ascii_modem: now i dont look at the buttonz, no

00:53:10 mircea_popescu: touch typing is good if you're going to do straight typing for mintues at a time. i normally do not. i suppose you do not either, need a mouse, a this, a buffer, a that etc.

00:53:40 mircea_popescu: most of the benefit of touch typing comes from not moving your "frame" above the kbd.

00:53:57 mircea_popescu: hands on/hands off touch typing is nonsense.

00:54:39 mircea_popescu: ascii_modem that's how i end up with stuff like ;; and xse in my history file :D

00:55:33 williamdunne: The main issue I have with touch typing is occasionally my fingers landing in the wrong order or similar derpery

00:56:40 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185688 << either that on a website-y thing or have an option for a new subscriber to get whole shebang ?

00:56:40 assbot: Logged on 03-07-2015 20:01:45; jurov: i have nothing against publishing the mailbox

00:57:36 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185700 << this is a fact.

00:57:36 assbot: Logged on 03-07-2015 20:06:15; ascii_field: mats: iirc danielpbarron established that it ~has~ to use ssd

01:00:40 mircea_popescu: howlee sheit caught up on logs.

01:00:54 mircea_popescu: monstrous task.

01:01:18 punkman: lots of log forks

01:02:07 mircea_popescu: lol

01:07:28 williamdunne: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3c579i/yesterdays_fork_suggests_we_dont_need_a_blocksize/

01:07:29 assbot: Yesterday's fork suggests we don't need a blocksize limit : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1JFXckv )

01:07:33 williamdunne: Tardstalk citation

01:10:49 mircea_popescu: sigh.

01:10:57 mircea_popescu: how about it suggests we should stfu.

01:12:15 williamdunne: burrnnnn

01:12:45 williamdunne: The blocksizes at 1mb require broken mining, but bigger blocks will do... something

01:12:46 williamdunne: Oh god

01:12:50 williamdunne: my brain hurts

01:17:46 punkman: I like this style of annotation http://underscorejs.org/docs/underscore.html

01:17:47 assbot: underscore.js ... ( http://bit.ly/1JFXTdF )

01:23:15 trinque: punkman: probably a good format to annotate bitcoind

01:23:24 punkman: https://github.com/brynbellomy/otis

01:23:25 assbot: brynbellomy/otis · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1JFYhci )

01:23:30 punkman: if anyone wants to crank some js

01:26:28 punkman: and a similar python thing, https://pypi.python.org/pypi/pyccoon/0.1.0

01:26:30 assbot: pyccoon 0.1.0 : Python Package Index ... ( http://bit.ly/1JFYyM8 )

01:26:34 punkman: god there's a lot of these

01:31:19 williamdunne: re: Brazillian currency rigging

01:31:26 williamdunne: https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/3c3ymy/fifteen_of_the_worlds_largest_banks_are_under/cssfbvs

01:31:27 assbot: thats_bone comments on Fifteen of the world's largest banks are under investigation on suspicion of rigging the Brazilian currency, antitrust watchdog Cade said on Thursday, the first such probe in one of the busiest foreign exchange markets globally. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JFYYSK )

01:31:27 williamdunne: >I think the punishment for trading currencies should include execution in certain cases.

01:31:28 williamdunne: wut

01:32:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6650 @ 0.00054197 = 3.6041 BTC [-]

01:40:11 williamdunne: Reddit is just a goldmine for retards

01:40:13 williamdunne: https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/3c3ymy/fifteen_of_the_worlds_largest_banks_are_under/css2ka0

01:40:14 assbot: sovereign_citizen comments on Fifteen of the world's largest banks are under investigation on suspicion of rigging the Brazilian currency, antitrust watchdog Cade said on Thursday, the first such probe in one of the busiest foreign exchange markets globally. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JFZDUn )

01:40:26 williamdunne: >Remember the Libor scandal and interest fixing cartel?

01:40:26 williamdunne: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libor_scandal

01:40:26 williamdunne: >That was massive and NO ONE WENT TO JAIL. No one will go to jail for this either unless there is massive protesting. I would like to see people attack bankers with as much fervor as they attack ISIS. Bankers are literally worse than ISIS.

01:43:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3587 @ 0.00054771 = 1.9646 BTC [+]

01:47:45 decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1187182 < asciilifeform I recall a similar conversation we had > http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1175692

01:47:45 assbot: Logged on 04-07-2015 16:41:04; asciilifeform: ;;later tell kakobrekla my current understanding of the ph0rk situation is that your hypothesis re: miners being dumb as bricks is essentially correct...

01:47:45 assbot: Logged on 25-06-2015 04:44:07; decimation: knows more about how to pile asics than how to program bitcoind

01:50:48 decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1187304 < why? it's not like their political positions are secret?

01:50:48 assbot: Logged on 04-07-2015 20:48:14; danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1186129 << a tape recorder is the one thing I forgot to bring (I had specifically prepared one for the event but forgot to pack it) -- the mere act of having such a device around free-staters would probably trigger them into a rage

01:51:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16500 @ 0.00054793 = 9.0408 BTC [+] {2}

01:51:52 decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1187330 < amen. the 'cost' imposed by the version increment has hardly any benefit

01:51:52 assbot: Logged on 04-07-2015 21:00:18; mircea_popescu: here's what's the idea : after botching the soft fork, it seems illogical that the entire bip system should continue at all.

02:04:06 decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1187537 < yeah but meanwhile the shitgnomes dig deeper. surely there's a point where they muck things up? or perhaps there's nothing to be done about it.

02:04:06 assbot: Logged on 04-07-2015 22:40:26; mircea_popescu: until we know exactly wtf to do about relayers, about miners now, there is no point. the prototype's still prototypin'.

02:07:07 decimation: on the other hand, the shitgnomes are doing a great job at discrediting themselves

02:20:39 mod6: 292k+

02:23:58 decimation: asciilifeform: of mild interest from last night, apparently 'sipa' (Pieter Wuille) wrote a secp256k1 replacement library, apparently in attempt to ditch openssl https://github.com/bitcoin/secp256k1

02:23:59 assbot: bitcoin/secp256k1 · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1gh7cnU )

02:24:18 decimation: he doesn't advertise it as complete or fully functional yet

02:31:31 williamdunne: Meant to be notably faster too, no?

02:31:38 decimation: yeah

02:33:32 decimation: !up Vexual

02:35:25 Vexual: ascii_modem might like a voice

02:36:38 mircea_popescu: decimation the lib in question was discussed in log at the time too

02:36:43 Vexual: perhaps it's just a succession of tunnels

02:36:49 decimation: I looked for it

02:37:11 mircea_popescu: it's the result of a for-profit venture of some sort, gmaxwell went on a reddit rampage explaining hopw they "found bugs" and how great the entire process is etc

02:37:32 mircea_popescu: it wasn't that great or anything, but it doesn't have much competition either.

02:38:13 mircea_popescu: obv bitcoin can't continue pulling in random code. this is an assault on sense, as far as we're concerned, and an assault on their turf as they perceive it, as far as the pr group is concerned.

02:38:17 mircea_popescu: so yeah, check it out, agreement!

02:40:25 decimation: now, as I pointed out with midnightmagic, it strikes me as backwards to develop a replacement before describing a spec

02:41:30 mircea_popescu: more importantly there's doubts as to the suitability of the curve in question etc

02:44:05 decimation: well, yeah that's a matter for a mathematiciansssss5

02:44:22 decimation: stupid irissi

02:45:23 Vexual: greeks can't count to ballotppaper

02:45:35 decimation: !up asciilifeform

02:45:37 decimation: doh

02:45:43 decimation: !up ascii_modem

02:46:05 mircea_popescu: !s libsecp256k1 from:mircea

02:46:06 assbot: 4 results for 'libsecp256k1 from:mircea' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=libsecp256k1+from%3Amircea

02:46:08 mircea_popescu: finally fouind it

02:46:15 ascii_modem: mircea_popescu: if could switch ecdsa curves, could as well have rsa!

02:46:29 ascii_modem: ifwisheswerehorses

02:47:01 ascii_modem: !s tinyecc

02:47:01 assbot: 0 results for 'tinyecc' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=tinyecc

02:47:09 decimation: ah I was searching for "secp256k1"

02:47:12 mircea_popescu: you'd have to pick something for your ada port. and there's not atm any way to pick.

02:47:12 decimation: stupid stemmer

02:47:24 mircea_popescu: if in a decade rsa is still as strong as today...

02:47:31 decimation: yeah it seems like we are stuck with secp256k1 anyway

02:47:33 ascii_modem: i'd pick my head

02:47:33 mircea_popescu: imagine, forty years later, still stands. what else in computin ?

02:47:41 mircea_popescu: your head can't be p2p

02:48:25 mircea_popescu: neways, ima go play lalala

02:48:37 ascii_modem: for ada port

02:48:46 ascii_modem: it'd need no deps

02:48:55 ascii_modem: but std compliant gcc

02:49:07 ascii_modem: if done by honest people

02:51:11 ascii_modem: plant it on bare metal.

02:53:37 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kk8eJh4i8Lo <sunday sessions

03:04:48 decimation: !up Vexual

03:10:25 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KPbYg3lnKA

03:13:14 Vexual: i must admit, the soothsayer in me saw an error when bfl hit 2 in a row

03:15:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20513 @ 0.00054171 = 11.1121 BTC [-] {2}

03:23:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25600 @ 0.00054819 = 14.0337 BTC [+] {2}

03:26:31 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGEzqxI9Xwg

03:27:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5250 @ 0.00054157 = 2.8432 BTC [-]

03:32:53 cazalla: Vexual, having some whiskey on a sunday eh?

03:34:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19450 @ 0.00054833 = 10.665 BTC [+]

03:34:22 Vexual: hey, if you can't fix it with whisky and a hammer, its broken

03:35:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4429 @ 0.00054157 = 2.3986 BTC [-]

03:35:35 cazalla: !up Vexual

03:37:06 cazalla: i was at woolies yesterday arvo and they have an adjoining bottlo to it and i did this http://i.imgur.com/gAnUmJ2.gif

03:37:08 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GYKXsn )

03:37:58 Vexual: well done sire

03:39:11 Vexual: wait, what?

03:39:36 Vexual: you resited temptation?

03:40:01 cazalla: lol yeah but i was in the belly of the beast

03:42:34 Vexual: too exxy?

04:05:46 cazalla: !up Vexual

04:05:55 cazalla: did ya go smoke some soapbar or something

04:06:27 Vexual: ;;ud soapbar

04:06:28 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=SOAP+BAR | SOAP BAR. Popular "hashish" found in the UK. soap bars weighing 9oz / 250 grams, on average contain 1/3 oz / 10 grams of flower / resin and up to 200 grams ...

04:07:02 Vexual: no

04:09:12 cazalla: Vexual, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKceQT0Scg4

04:09:13 assbot: 06 Goldie Lookin Chain - Soap Bar - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1RZ3086 )

04:10:49 Vexual: when your spawns ready for kuta, uncle vex is coming along for the ride

04:12:13 Vexual: troll some morrocans

04:14:35 mats: king kuta

04:14:59 mats: kunta*

04:16:13 Vexual: www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRK7PVJFbS8 <this?

04:21:02 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBm4hT4ABqg

04:22:27 Vexual: did anyone send tribute to the new king of tonga?

04:22:56 mats: https://youtu.be/hRK7PVJFbS8 <<

04:22:57 assbot: Kendrick Lamar - King Kunta - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1CifIx2 )

04:28:29 Vexual: kuta, bali runs on heavy metal and horror serials

04:31:27 Vexual: its a rite of passage for upper middle class aussie kids

04:33:05 Vexual: just dont update adobe flash at the hotel wifi

04:34:28 asciilifeform: node still stuck at 363736.

04:34:48 Vexual: maxpeers 2?

04:35:01 asciilifeform: it's '-connect'ed to mircea_popescu's

04:35:30 Vexual: maxpers 2?

04:35:38 asciilifeform: NO

04:35:47 Vexual: just

04:35:48 mats: lol.

04:38:56 mod6: !up Vexual

04:39:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15615 @ 0.00054157 = 8.4566 BTC [-]

04:43:23 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu public node on dulap.

04:43:24 gribble: The operation succeeded.

04:45:25 asciilifeform: to nobody's surprise, firmly wedged

04:45:43 asciilifeform: (and yes, it '-addnode's mircea_popescu's. so theoretically, could unwedge. but no)

04:47:02 mod6: 295k+

04:51:16 asciilifeform: no 'reorgs', nothing

04:51:22 asciilifeform: blocks just not happening.

04:51:48 asciilifeform: 8 peer connections

04:56:11 asciilifeform: mempool garbage by the megatonne, just like my earlier node

04:56:23 asciilifeform: but nothing remotely suggesting that a block of any description tried to appaer.

05:00:08 mod6: so asciilifeform you're just stuck on 363734 even though you're seeding via irc again ?

05:00:15 asciilifeform: no irc!!!!

05:00:23 asciilifeform: read the code plz.

05:00:56 mod6: oh your just using addnode? or what?

05:00:58 asciilifeform: 1) it's 363736

05:01:07 asciilifeform: 2) it addnode-s mircea_popescu's box and from there gets maxint seeds

05:01:15 asciilifeform: none of which undertake to supply so much as one block

05:01:28 asciilifeform: no sign of attempted 'reorgs', nothing but churning mempool shit

05:01:43 mod6: ok thanks for clairifying for me

05:02:12 asciilifeform: this is running a classic 'stator'

05:02:23 gernika: I think I'm seeing the same: ERROR: AcceptToMemoryPool() : ConnectInputs failed ec7d42baa3

05:02:27 asciilifeform: just like my first sync-with-mircea_popescu experiment box

05:03:00 mod6: classic stator, i.e. no dump/eat block

05:03:17 mod6: !up Vexual

05:03:20 asciilifeform: aha

05:03:28 asciilifeform: can rebuild with it, but what is there for it to eat ?

05:03:56 Vexual: pideon?

05:04:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39747 @ 0.00054929 = 21.8326 BTC [+] {2}

05:07:30 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VM5-7iQAtLE

05:14:27 asciilifeform: 'i learned that... they don't recycle pigeons.' (tm) (r) ('red meat')

05:14:34 mod6: gernika: what version are you running? what's your current block height, 363897?

05:15:38 Vexual: if you poop on your corn, you can recycle pidgeon <not realted to antything

05:18:20 Vexual: greeks are voting, prepare for riot

05:18:36 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1187601 << !

05:18:36 assbot: Logged on 04-07-2015 23:07:05; danielpbarron: 71.232.150.212 port 8139 is a fully synched 0.5.3.1~ node

05:18:58 Vexual: maxpeer 2?

05:18:58 asciilifeform: ;;later tell danielpbarron wouldja mind dumpblock-ing a few blx at the wedgepoint ? ty

05:18:59 gribble: The operation succeeded.

05:20:55 gernika: mod6 stator with mods for OpenBSD. Blockheight=168000

05:22:13 Vexual: meahwhile, blockheight hit 400 storeys (evevator) when counted on individual 3 inch floppies

05:23:34 Vexual: ^insertable

05:23:46 asciilifeform: my brother owns a coupla GB in floppies in his house

05:23:57 Vexual: ??

05:24:00 asciilifeform: mostly readable last anybody's tried, even.

05:27:19 Vexual: thats around 2 months of in-out

05:27:39 Vexual: whats one m?

05:27:46 Vexual: *on em

05:27:51 asciilifeform: w4r3z

05:28:05 asciilifeform: what else

05:28:07 Vexual: whats it worth in bc?

05:28:12 asciilifeform: 0

05:28:17 mod6: 168`000, weird!

05:28:20 *: mod6 looks for something

05:31:07 Vexual: reddit down, usenet unaffected

05:31:28 mod6: <+gernika> mod6 stator with mods for OpenBSD. Blockheight=168000 << if it's a problem in block 168`001, i'm sure we hit this problem in february. but it should be resolved with openssl 1.0.1g.

05:31:51 mod6: im looking for the exact txid we hit.. it's somewhere in the log im sure.

05:32:12 mod6: you are using ssl 1.0.1g with stator right?

05:34:17 gernika: mod6: I am indeed using 1.0.1g

05:35:59 mod6: huh. this is the error we got, different txid and different error, but still, ~weird~: log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=05-02-2015#1007102

05:36:37 mod6: bah: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2015#1007102

05:36:37 assbot: Logged on 05-02-2015 00:36:21; mod6: seems to be: 2c2314f353 VerifySignature failed ... invalid block=0000000000000a40136b height=168001

05:37:48 mod6: speaking of compiling stator on openssl, i gave it a try today but hit this: http://dpaste.com/0WRAK16.txt

05:37:50 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1G0zgki )

05:37:54 mod6: did you see the same?

05:38:23 gernika: mod6: I'll check and make sure 1.0.1g was actually linked against tomorrow. I can say that it was built and copied to ./ourlibs.

05:38:59 mod6: ok

05:39:30 mod6: oh i just solved my own problem. derp.

05:39:41 mod6: openbsd requires gmake to be in the stator.sh, not make.

05:41:02 gernika: mod6: yeah I ran into that. Put it in my patch to stator.sh. Still need to go through the process of signing everything.

05:41:11 mod6: no prob, thanks!

05:41:11 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform mmmyeah

05:41:15 mod6: cc1plus: out of memory allocating 46376 bytes after a total of 0 bytes << lol

05:41:29 mircea_popescu: mod6 dump the block ?

05:41:53 gernika: mod6: had to run as root to get around openbsd memory limits on normal user accounts. There are other ways.

05:42:07 mod6: mircea_popescu: (this is compiling stator on openbsd)

05:42:26 mod6: gernika: yeah, just did `su`...

05:42:49 mircea_popescu: mod6 i recall you were plagued by this 168k blessing

05:42:51 mircea_popescu: before

05:43:48 mod6: stator on openbsd did build, yet this: http://dpaste.com/0S8R7Z1.txt

05:43:49 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1M2QimN )

05:45:02 mod6: here's the linking bit: http://dpaste.com/0AYS9MB.txt

05:45:03 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1M2Qum4 )

05:45:34 mod6: mircea_popescu: yeah, we totally were. but it seems this time its a different error and a different txid!

05:45:59 mircea_popescu: the lulz and the win of our times ;/

05:46:10 gernika: mod6: "There is no dynamic segment in this file." when I run the above command

05:46:17 mod6: gernika: it might be helpful to patch in the dump block so we can examine your block(s) 168`000 & 168`001 and see what's going on there.

05:46:36 mod6: gernika: hmm. weird. i might hvae screwed something up in there.

05:46:39 gernika: k. will see if I can dig them up on the mailing list

05:46:53 gernika: got to hit the hay

05:47:54 mod6: yeah me too.

05:48:03 mod6: i'll try again with obsd again tomorrow.

05:48:54 mod6: <+mircea_popescu> the lulz and the win of our times ;/ << aint this the truth

05:49:00 mircea_popescu: http://blog.ircmaxell.com/2015/03/security-issue-combining-bcrypt-with.html << this is pretty great

05:49:01 assbot: ircmaxell's blog: Security Issue: Combining Bcrypt With Other Hash Functions ... ( http://bit.ly/1M2RdUm )

05:49:45 mircea_popescu: (via fluffypony who incidentally made the article i was asking for a month ago, but omitted to link it. here : https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/36bgxt/whats_your_opinion_about_altcoins/crcz6rr )

05:49:46 assbot: fluffyponyza comments on What's Your Opinion About Altcoins? ... ( http://bit.ly/1M2Rnv7 )

06:04:55 mircea_popescu: (via fluffypony who incidentally made the article i was asking for a month ago, but omitted to link it. here : https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/36bgxt/whats_your_opinion_about_altcoins/crcz6rr )

06:04:56 assbot: fluffyponyza comments on What's Your Opinion About Altcoins? ... ( http://bit.ly/1M2U5k7 )

06:29:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.00054293 = 9.8813 BTC [-]

06:53:56 mircea_popescu: and in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/954a367723261183ce9a87f4c0eeb41b/tumblr_mkyovcTihG1s5vfv7o1_1280.jpg

06:53:58 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GZgY3I )

07:04:24 mircea_popescu: "20. Notice the masochistic tendency of leftist tactics. Leftists protest by lying down in front of vehicles, they intentionally provoke police or racists to abuse them, etc. These tactics may often be effective, but many leftists use them not as a means to an end but because they PREFER masochistic tactics. Self-hatred is a leftist trait."

07:04:39 mircea_popescu: quite. being a libertard is very much a SEXUAL behaviour.

07:04:43 mircea_popescu: essentially onanism gone wild.

07:40:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29400 @ 0.00054627 = 16.0603 BTC [+] {2}

07:50:19 mircea_popescu: jurov 8242 s.qntra pushed.

07:57:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18950 @ 0.00054463 = 10.3207 BTC [-]

08:05:28 scoopbot_revived: Qntra (S.QNTR) June 2015 Statement http://fraudsters.com/2015/qntra-sqntr-june-2015-statement/

08:07:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00054681 = 2.6247 BTC [+]

08:10:31 mircea_popescu: http://www.etalabs.net/compare_libcs.html << check out glibc beating the shit out of everyone @strlen and strchr

08:10:33 assbot: Comparison of C/POSIX standard library implementations for Linux ... ( http://bit.ly/1M3fslm )

08:11:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28750 @ 0.00054307 = 15.6133 BTC [-] {3}

08:17:47 trinque: ^ gutting docker from it.

08:18:04 trinque: deedbot- is the one to use though

08:18:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28886 @ 0.00054416 = 15.7186 BTC [+] {3}

08:19:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4247 @ 0.00055022 = 2.3368 BTC [+]

08:21:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23200 @ 0.00055022 = 12.7651 BTC [+]

08:22:23 mircea_popescu: heh check it out, mark karpeles idling in #musl.

08:25:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5150 @ 0.00055022 = 2.8336 BTC [+]

08:44:20 mircea_popescu: "In short, the ?work in progress? has actually produced results. " http://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-update-versus-ubuntu-update/

08:44:21 assbot: Windows Update versus Ubuntu Update | ZDNet ... ( http://bit.ly/1dFx7Ud )

08:44:29 mircea_popescu: apologiez for linking to the retarded, but im trying to bother asciilifeform

09:31:13 mircea_popescu: "UO is very much a view into the world that could have been, if WOW hadn't come along and MMORPGs became driven by addiction mechanics instead of depth. (I do not necessarily mean that as a perjorative... I take my own hits on the bong of grind-based (J/W/T)RPGs sometimes. But it's a fair description.)"

09:31:30 mircea_popescu: aka, the world that could have been if we focused on the intelligent rather than on the fungal mass. mkay.

09:31:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21450 @ 0.00054119 = 11.6085 BTC [-]

09:38:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40369 @ 0.00054846 = 22.1408 BTC [+] {2}

09:39:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76431 @ 0.00055051 = 42.076 BTC [+] {3}

09:44:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28700 @ 0.00055195 = 15.841 BTC [+] {2}

09:57:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28094 @ 0.00053846 = 15.1275 BTC [-] {3}

10:08:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00054649 = 7.5416 BTC [+] {2}

10:08:53 jurov: Qntra shares distributed to CoinBr.

10:21:31 jurov: ;;later tell wyrdmantis to receive your shares to your coinbr/mpex account, ask me or submit a deed

10:21:31 gribble: The operation succeeded.

10:21:38 jurov: ;;later tell punkman to receive your shares to your coinbr/mpex account, ask me or submit a deed

10:21:39 gribble: The operation succeeded.

10:27:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19950 @ 0.00055206 = 11.0136 BTC [+]

10:39:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27100 @ 0.00055261 = 14.9757 BTC [+] {2}

10:43:32 punkman: deedbot-: add-key http://dpaste.com/000VZGG.txt

10:43:33 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1NIza74 )

10:45:19 punkman: amidoinitwrong?

10:49:28 punkman: deedbot-: add-deed http://dpaste.com/1RN0AFQ.txt

10:49:28 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1NIzMcQ )

10:55:13 mats: http://chinadailymail.com/2015/07/04/chinas-new-mystery-midget-submarine-may-be-designed-for-attacking-taiwan/

10:55:14 assbot: China’s new mystery midget submarine may be designed for attacking Taiwan | China Daily Mail ... ( http://bit.ly/1NIAvea )

10:57:58 punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dT1AHDjzcsQ

10:57:59 assbot: Keynesian Economic Theory As Applied To Private Sector Independent Contracting - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1NIAM0J )

11:05:48 punkman: mats, what lang did you use for they keyserver thing?

11:06:08 mats: python

11:07:32 punkman: cool, I'll give it a look when you publish

11:08:35 mats: sounds good

11:16:12 punkman: mod6, maybe a little script on the foundation website so we can upload and archive debug.logs (without shitting 50mb attachments all over the ml)

11:16:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37150 @ 0.00055277 = 20.5354 BTC [+] {2}

11:17:58 mats: chinese-taiwanese fud is great

11:18:09 punkman: on a related note, kinda annoying reading through logs and trying to read all those expired dpastes

11:19:17 mats: imo the mainland is willing and capable of waiting decades (if not a century) to retake .tw

11:19:17 scoopbot_revived: Peter Vessenes Attempts To Revive CoinLab (Again) http://qntra.net/2015/07/peter-vessenes-attempts-to-revive-coinlab-again/

11:24:32 mats: meanwhile the inhabitants of .tw are busy deluding themselves into thinking they're taiwanese, not chinese, and special snowflakes otherwise

11:24:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4733 @ 0.00055278 = 2.6163 BTC [+]

11:27:53 jurov: punkman: good idea, maybe i'll do it. needs just a simple web form to upload file and signature

11:30:46 punkman: jurov, maybe throw a pastebin up there while you are at it

11:31:20 jurov: oh yes. and syntax coloring,. and inline images. and.. :D

11:31:51 kakobrekla: https://i.imgur.com/n9YlRpZ.gifv

11:31:52 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1HF9vgG )

11:31:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36200 @ 0.0005364 = 19.4177 BTC [-] {2}

11:33:19 jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185700 << in my experience, you can use spinning rust if you throw in 8GB RAM

11:33:19 assbot: Logged on 03-07-2015 20:06:15; ascii_field: mats: iirc danielpbarron established that it ~has~ to use ssd

11:33:53 jurov: obv not an option for pogo

11:37:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22002 @ 0.00054344 = 11.9568 BTC [+]

11:47:47 jurov: i'll prolly try hybrid sshd with it

11:50:55 jurov: !up hdbuck

11:51:02 jurov: !up SuchWow

11:51:40 hdbuck: hello jurov

11:51:50 jurov: hello. who's there?

11:52:26 hdbuck: some random internet dude, wondering in B-A

11:54:41 hdbuck: any b-a official statement regarding yesturday’s f0rk attempt?

11:55:53 jurov: yea: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000115.html

11:55:54 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1HFbmlC )

11:56:08 jurov: and next one

11:56:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33100 @ 0.00053085 = 17.5711 BTC [-] {3}

12:02:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33900 @ 0.00053059 = 17.987 BTC [-]

12:06:08 hdbuck: is this news worth hitting qntra? https://torrentfreak.com/tv-giant-canal-hacked-hits-github-with-dmca-complaint-150613/ < « surprisingly » not that much media cover + total failure of security + hacker mined bitcoins

12:06:09 assbot: TV Giant CANAL+ Hacked, Hits Github With DMCA Complaint | TorrentFreak ... ( http://bit.ly/1JOuew2 )

12:07:22 jurov: ask cazalla or BingoBoingo

12:08:31 jurov: !gettrust assbot hdbuck

12:08:32 assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user hdbuck: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=hdbuck | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/hdbuck/

12:08:54 jurov: in fact you can write and submit it to them yourself

12:09:16 jurov: and you can !up yourself, too

12:09:48 jurov: lol good rating "He follows instructions."

12:09:52 hdbuck: ah will do then, thx

12:10:06 hdbuck: lol

12:17:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38477 @ 0.00053737 = 20.6764 BTC [+] {2}

12:18:42 mats: too light on actual details imo

12:32:12 cazalla: from an aussie IPO - At 30 June 2015

12:32:13 cazalla: Bitcoin Group

12:32:13 cazalla: forecasts holding

12:32:13 cazalla: 1,932

12:32:13 cazalla: Bitcoins with a fair value of

12:32:13 cazalla: $0.7

12:32:15 cazalla: 2

12:32:17 cazalla: million as investments and at 30 June 2016

12:32:19 cazalla: Bitcoin Group

12:32:21 cazalla: forecasts holding

12:32:23 cazalla: 51,824

12:32:25 cazalla: Bitcoins with a fair value of

12:32:27 cazalla: $47.10

12:32:29 cazalla: million.

12:32:33 cazalla: oops soz

12:33:13 cazalla: so they expect their yet to be mined 52k coins to be worth about $900

12:45:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45208 @ 0.00053059 = 23.9869 BTC [-]

12:55:13 punkman: cazalla: will they casually mine 5% of blocks in a year?

12:56:49 punkman: ;;halfreward

12:56:50 gribble: Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Thu Jul 28 18:56:49 2016 UTC | Time remaining: 1 year, 3 weeks, 3 days, 6 hours, and 0 seconds.

13:00:13 cazalla: in the prospectus,they claim they bought some mining gear from ASICMiner back in January.. i wonder if these are the miners that disappeared same time as friedcat went awol

13:00:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00053903 = 13.2062 BTC [+]

13:01:46 punkman: ;;avgprc usd 7d

13:01:47 gribble: 259.32

13:01:57 punkman: ;;avgprc usd 30d

13:01:57 gribble: 246.22

13:02:28 punkman: ;;avgprice eur 7d

13:02:29 gribble: Error: "avgprice" is not a valid command.

13:02:36 punkman: ;;avgprc eur 7d

13:02:37 gribble: 232.06

13:02:54 punkman: ;;baratio

13:02:55 gribble: Bitfinex | Total bids: 5259068 USD. Total asks: 11822 BTC. Ratio: 444.82490 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0033 seconds

13:03:40 punkman: ;;bc,xau

13:03:41 gribble: 1 XAU = 1168.9 USD = 4.45397043134 BTC

13:06:21 punkman: ;;bc,bull

13:06:22 gribble: Next Price Estimate: 288.64 | Next Price In About 3 days, 0 hours, 33 minutes, and 34 seconds

13:08:28 mats: pgpdump really needs a rewrite...

13:09:51 mats: the py port, at any rate

13:15:54 shinohai: @ 310610 this morning, so abt a year behind.

13:39:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16747 @ 0.00055339 = 9.2676 BTC [+]

13:44:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15106 @ 0.0005371 = 8.1134 BTC [-] {2}

13:45:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37594 @ 0.00052886 = 19.882 BTC [-] {2}

13:48:09 punkman: gave this a spin, works out the box https://github.com/ckald/pyccoon

13:48:10 assbot: ckald/pyccoon · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1KGVPRs )

13:48:39 punkman: `pyccoon -s bitcoin/src -d docs`

13:56:06 shinohai: heh punkman pyccoon looks pretty neat

14:07:14 punkman: not a priority I know, but someone should exorcise that json_spirit crap (maybe with https://github.com/open-source-parsers/jsoncpp or https://github.com/giacomodrago/minijson_writer )

14:07:15 assbot: open-source-parsers/jsoncpp · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1RZSAVu )

14:07:16 assbot: giacomodrago/minijson_writer · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1RZSzB3 )

14:11:21 punkman: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/6192

14:11:23 assbot: rest: remove JSON input format for getutxos to avoid potential DoS problems · Issue #6192 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1RZSYDx )

14:47:59 lobbesbot: New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=4294967297 (Stephan Urbach ; Herr Urbach ; ) http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/27ABADEFA10C5A6CE3DBED175888BC9B6D5F40CC2E7895F3460AB8771B49EB17#EA05145DF780174482C93AA25649CAA45909C0CB3EC052B4B4EB0B58B5FA7348 || Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=425201762403 (Stephan Urbach ; Herr Urbach ; ) http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/27ABADEFA10C5A6CE3DBED175888BC9B6D5F40CC2E7895F

14:48:01 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GZYxN9 )

14:48:52 asciilifeform: ;;later tell lobbes might want to adjust that thing so it doesn't cycle when www comes down and then up

14:48:53 gribble: The operation succeeded.

14:49:07 asciilifeform: !s Urbach

14:49:08 assbot: 1 results for 'Urbach' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=Urbach

14:50:21 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu node on dulap is still wedged. and apparently this is not a terribly good place for a node, phuctor gets i/o-starved and dies

14:50:21 gribble: The operation succeeded.

14:55:57 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188105 << i've always said to phriends who played 'grind mmporgs' : 'there is a uranium mine somewhere missing a man. you are that man'

14:55:57 assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 09:31:13; mircea_popescu: "UO is very much a view into the world that could have been, if WOW hadn't come along and MMORPGs became driven by addiction mechanics instead of depth. (I do not necessarily mean that as a perjorative... I take my own hits on the bong of grind-based (J/W/T)RPGs sometimes. But it's a fair description.)"

14:56:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30200 @ 0.00052874 = 15.9679 BTC [-]

14:57:53 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188139 << the few i've spoken with personally did not seem especially happy re: their home being used as usg's 'unsinkable aircraft carrier'

14:57:53 assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 11:24:32; mats: meanwhile the inhabitants of .tw are busy deluding themselves into thinking they're taiwanese, not chinese, and special snowflakes otherwise

14:58:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16022 @ 0.00053304 = 8.5404 BTC [+]

15:01:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77200 @ 0.00052731 = 40.7083 BTC [-] {3}

15:02:21 asciilifeform: so yes, both of my 0.5.x nodes are still firmly wedged. no sign of attempted 'reorg', nothing.

15:03:22 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188100 << l0l!

15:03:22 assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 08:22:23; mircea_popescu: heh check it out, mark karpeles idling in #musl.

15:04:07 asciilifeform: 'Topic for #musl is: http://www.musl-libc.org | Ask questions; treat others with respect; stop off-topic discussions for musl questions; do not publish logs; no sexism, homophobia, or other forms of asshattery.'

15:04:13 asciilifeform: ^ extra-lulzy

15:08:42 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188151 << do those even come in the form factor used by pogo? might be interesting to try

15:08:42 assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 11:47:47; jurov: i'll prolly try hybrid sshd with it

15:10:28 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188163 << this is why, when dealing with a usg-powered entity, the correct procedure is not 'disclosure', which will be censored and hushed up; but - total annihilation

15:10:28 assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 12:06:08; hdbuck: is this news worth hitting qntra? https://torrentfreak.com/tv-giant-canal-hacked-hits-github-with-dmca-complaint-150613/ < « surprisingly » not that much media cover + total failure of security + hacker mined bitcoins

15:10:41 asciilifeform: sony-style

15:11:48 asciilifeform: in general principle: destroy backups (the morons often make this possible!), produce leaks from which there ~can be no recovery~, etc

15:12:07 asciilifeform: pretty basic, but there are still folks who do not understand.

15:12:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26329 @ 0.00052401 = 13.7967 BTC [-] {2}

15:12:38 asciilifeform: if you're gonna take a shot at a lizardman, don't shoot for the knee!

15:17:05 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188084 << this is known, from mr mold's articles, as the 'kick the dog till it bites then shoot it' algo

15:17:05 assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 07:04:24; mircea_popescu: "20. Notice the masochistic tendency of leftist tactics. Leftists protest by lying down in front of vehicles, they intentionally provoke police or racists to abuse them, etc. These tactics may often be effective, but many leftists use them not as a means to an end but because they PREFER masochistic tactics. Self-hatred is a leftist trait."

15:17:42 asciilifeform: it worked great in the past: u.s. civil war; u.s. vs japan; u.s. vs korea; vietnam; and so on

15:19:00 asciilifeform: the essential heart of the algo is that the 'kicking' must somehow 'not count'

15:19:17 asciilifeform: in order for the narrative to turn into 'dog bit, we shot it'

15:23:31 asciilifeform: danielpbarron, mod6, anybody with a SYNCED 0.5.x node: please consider blkcut ( http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000113.html ) -ing your most recent blkxxxx and uploading a tarball of the last 500 or so blocks

15:23:32 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1LMiwUU )

15:24:04 asciilifeform: the sooner this happens, the more likely it is that i will have some time to actually work on this today

15:33:42 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1187470 << what i was saying there bears repeating. if we had a fleet of pogos deployed, they would ~all~ be paperweights now. and for so long as we use the cpp turd, there can be no guarantee of this kind of thing not happening in the future.

15:33:42 assbot: Logged on 04-07-2015 22:20:58; ascii_modem: picture if we had pogos deployed

15:34:10 asciilifeform: (whether there can be such a guarantee at all is questionable. but at present, enemy has a slight information advantage, as he's been crapping in that thing since possibly before day 1)

15:38:24 asciilifeform: ;;later tell danielpbarron what, if anything, is peculiar about your synced 0.5.x ? (i.e. what patch set it used? to whom connected ? for how long ? when ? )

15:38:25 gribble: The operation succeeded.

15:47:00 shinohai: @ asciilifeform I should have a pogo up and running inside this week.

15:56:56 mats: 10:57:53 <+asciilifeform> the few i've spoken with personally did not seem especially happy re: their home being used as usg's 'unsinkable aircraft carrier' << hardly the case, and they're exceptionally deluded if they think so...

15:58:04 mats: iirc usg has provided four frigates for naval defense, a pathetic number in any case that could not stop any mildly determined attempt to storm the island

15:58:34 mats: usg could deploy all their carrier groups to the region and it'd make no difference.

15:59:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27600 @ 0.00054337 = 14.997 BTC [+] {2}

16:01:06 mats: and besides. tw is more dependent than ever on mainland money

16:03:28 mats: the cost of living is extraordinarily high

16:06:57 mats: analogous to going to .cn going to bat against usg over havana. good luck with that.

16:07:28 mats: er, analogous to .cn going to bat against usg over havana

16:09:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00052341 = 7.7465 BTC [-] {2}

16:16:00 asciilifeform: mats: iirc, the last time u.s. navy played an honest 'war game' with itself, the whole thing sank

16:16:04 asciilifeform: ('80s)

16:16:33 asciilifeform: whole nato edifice has very little to do with physical reality

16:21:23 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu seems like 'nearlyfreespeech co.' takes btc now..

16:21:24 gribble: The operation succeeded.

16:27:09 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: there was also the millenium challenge 2002

16:27:19 asciilifeform: also sank?

16:28:11 ben_vulpes: powers that be froze action, restarted game, provided script

16:28:24 asciilifeform: which is why i said 'the last honest game'

16:28:48 ben_vulpes: aha, missed that.

16:28:51 *: ben_vulpes coffees.

16:30:01 *: asciilifeform repeats the call for some hero to step up and produce a wall-printable callgraph for therealbitcoin.

16:30:13 asciilifeform: i've wasted hours clicking through lxr crap

16:30:24 ben_vulpes: what's wrong with etags?

16:30:40 asciilifeform: I WANT TO SEE ALL OF IT IN FIELD OF VISION

16:30:45 asciilifeform: on my wall.

16:30:54 asciilifeform: navigate by moving eyeballs.

16:30:55 ben_vulpes: you have the weirdest fetishes.

16:31:14 *: ben_vulpes is sitting under a red sun

16:31:20 asciilifeform: the one-function-at-a-time thing is like looking through a tank periscope

16:32:16 ben_vulpes: a forest fire even further north than i is smogging up the world

16:33:02 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes is sitting under a red sun << one of my most favourite things about b-a voyage was being able to sit in the sun without checking dosimeter or smearing toxic sludge all over my skin

16:34:15 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i still marvel at that.

16:34:30 ben_vulpes: the stroll from office to tacos midday is almost guaranteed to pink me up a bit.

16:34:38 ben_vulpes: and it's what - three blocks?

16:34:51 ben_vulpes: whereas in bsas, i could walk for an hour plus without feeling the burn.

16:35:05 asciilifeform: i bought dosimeter to find out precisely on what days i oughtn't to even go the three blocks

16:35:25 mats: lol, white people

16:35:56 ben_vulpes: (unrelatedly, whose moronic decision was it to produce keys that tab-complete before their public counterparts? looking at you, id_rsaa)

16:38:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36600 @ 0.00052225 = 19.1144 BTC [-] {3}

16:43:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16688 @ 0.00052067 = 8.6889 BTC [-]

16:50:14 thestringpuller: mats: didn't know asian people said that too

16:51:47 danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188266 << this the build script I used -> http://danielpbarron.com/pogo-build.sh.txt

16:51:47 assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 15:38:24; asciilifeform: ;;later tell danielpbarron what, if anything, is peculiar about your synced 0.5.x ? (i.e. what patch set it used? to whom connected ? for how long ? when ? )

16:51:48 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zLNtTL )

17:04:24 gernika: mod6 I can dumpblock 168000, but not 168001. 168000 is available here: http://exusiae.kicks-ass.net/bsdwedge.bin. I'll share it differently if you'd rather I sign it and post it to the mailing list or anywhere else.

17:04:25 assbot: 404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1Te9aUm )

17:11:04 trinque: punkman | deedbot-: add-deed http://dpaste.com/1RN0AFQ.txt << like so:

17:11:04 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ce6vpa )

17:11:13 trinque: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/1RN0AFQ.txt

17:11:14 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ce6xNM )

17:11:15 deedbot-: accepted: 1

17:18:32 shinohai: I have not learned all the intricacies of deedbot yet, you can use it for anything?

17:19:14 trinque: shinohai: you just feed it your key first (in the same way), then any gpg signed message

17:19:28 trinque: so long as you're in good standing in the WoT, it'll let you use it

17:19:40 shinohai: nice.

17:20:14 shinohai: Membership has it's privileges

17:25:22 kakobrekla: dunno if anyone particularity cares here, but you can now trade commodities (oil, food..), indices (SP500, DOW...) and bezzlestocks (apple, google..) with bitcoin on bit4x

17:26:56 shinohai: bit4x

17:26:57 scoopbot_revived: Chain Fork Reveals BIP Process Broken http://qntra.net/2015/07/chain-fork-reveals-bip-process-broken/

17:29:21 BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats

17:29:25 gribble: Current Blocks: 363970 | Current Difficulty: 4.940201493122746E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 364895 | Next Difficulty In: 925 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 0 hours, 9 minutes, and 21 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None

17:39:54 danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1187883 << even though they are typically in favor of recording police officers in the line of duty, they hypocritically get very perturbed when others return the favor -- saying things like "I do not consent to be recorded" : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-0EqoW8pWE

17:39:54 assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 01:50:48; decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1187304 < why? it's not like their political positions are secret?

17:39:55 assbot: A Talk: Nick Ford Voltairine de Cleyre. Stephan Kinsella. Porcfest 2015 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1CeaguF )

17:45:16 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu node on dulap appears to have unwedged. by itself. or perhaps somebody fed it

17:45:17 gribble: The operation succeeded.

17:54:18 asciilifeform: "errors" : "Warning: Please check that your computer's date and time are correct. If your clock is wrong Bitcoin will not work properly."

17:54:53 asciilifeform: and plenty of

17:54:56 asciilifeform: ERROR: CheckBlock() : block timestamp too far in the future

17:54:56 asciilifeform: ERROR: ProcessBlock() : CheckBlock FAILED

17:55:03 asciilifeform: yet the clock is set correctly. what gives ?

17:55:10 asciilifeform: anyone else experience this garbage ?

17:57:09 jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188246 what, sata is supposed to go inside? i'll just put it monkey-wire it outside anyway

17:57:09 assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 15:08:42; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188151 << do those even come in the form factor used by pogo? might be interesting to try

17:57:40 asciilifeform: sure. just keep in mind the amperage of the dc power brick

17:58:03 asciilifeform: in other lulz, https://getaddr.bitnodes.io lies and declares that my public node is 'unreachable'

17:58:04 assbot: Global Bitcoin nodes distribution - Bitnodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1CecHNV )

17:58:33 asciilifeform: folks are welcome to try, 195.211.154.159:8333

17:58:51 danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188136 << try pasting the expired url into the archive.is search box; I'm pretty good at catching them before they expire

17:58:51 assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 11:18:09; punkman: on a related note, kinda annoying reading through logs and trying to read all those expired dpastes

17:59:30 asciilifeform: also interestingly, it has 10 peers and no tx garbage scrolling in debug.log

17:59:46 asciilifeform: just a very occasional new block

18:00:05 BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1187148 << "Mint" like punkman was using lacks nearly all development tools including gcc out of the box. I chose it for shitty phree laptop to experiment with an Ubuntu-like without using ubuntu. Packages all come from Ubuntu repos, so...

18:00:05 assbot: Logged on 04-07-2015 16:02:06; asciilifeform: i did learn that many linux distros lack 'realpath'

18:00:26 asciilifeform: kinda wondering now if someone is building on top of the orphan chain

18:00:31 danielpbarron: asciilifeform> anyone else experience this garbage ? << yes. I found the timestamp errors in my 0.7.2 (currently wedged) debug.log

18:01:33 asciilifeform: received block 0000000000000000014e

18:01:33 asciilifeform: REORGANIZE

18:01:37 asciilifeform: ^ from log

18:01:43 asciilifeform: so there was a reorg

18:02:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22300 @ 0.00053316 = 11.8895 BTC [+]

18:03:11 danielpbarron: i also see reorg attempts in my debug.log but none actually worked

18:05:11 danielpbarron: ;;later tell williamdunne your twitter scoopbot cuts off titles sometimes

18:05:12 gribble: The operation succeeded.

18:07:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00052416 = 6.3948 BTC [-] {2}

18:12:59 asciilifeform: also looks like somebody's been sending 'extra-long-to-verify' blocks

18:18:23 mod6: gernika: it makes sense that you can not dump 168`001. keep it posted at that url for a few days. I wanna see if I can replicate with obsd on my side (as soon as I can get it built statically), or when I free up my aws environment from its current sync process (if that should come first). I can use the aws one to cut out block 168`000 and compare the two.

18:18:48 mod6: Maybe try to make sense of it somehow.

18:19:41 mod6: 310k+

18:19:51 mod6: should be done in about 24 hours or so?

18:25:37 shinohai: I'm @ 319645 nothing out of the ordinary yet.

18:34:04 trinque: remove docker -> set up same application like a normal person with runit and users substituting for containers -> free up 5gb

18:34:07 trinque: fuck a docker.

18:48:51 BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188163 << If you want to write it up I don't see much wrong

18:48:51 assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 12:06:08; hdbuck: is this news worth hitting qntra? https://torrentfreak.com/tv-giant-canal-hacked-hits-github-with-dmca-complaint-150613/ < « surprisingly » not that much media cover + total failure of security + hacker mined bitcoins

19:00:10 mod6: i tried to build stator on obsd again, still ended up with some .so's in the output binary.

19:00:15 mod6: same as yesterday.

19:00:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3550 @ 0.00053986 = 1.9165 BTC [+]

19:02:46 decimation: I'm syncing stator+eatblock+dumpblock on some node, just cleared 200k blocks

19:02:54 decimation: this is on rhel

19:03:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17167 @ 0.00054704 = 9.391 BTC [+]

19:07:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28670 @ 0.00054704 = 15.6836 BTC [+]

19:09:13 mod6: decimation: cool!

19:09:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25298 @ 0.00055339 = 13.9997 BTC [+]

19:21:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42513 @ 0.00054704 = 23.2563 BTC [-]

19:30:36 jurov: fu, onholy heat here and in most of europe

19:30:41 jurov: *unholy

19:30:50 ben_vulpes: global warming is a myth

19:30:54 decimation: how hot?

19:30:59 ben_vulpes: a liberal /myth/, jurov

19:31:05 jurov: climbing to 40C

19:31:15 decimation: yeah that is hot

19:31:43 jurov: of course, exactly yesterday fetching keys of github finished and wait for me to crack them

19:31:53 jurov: maybe later in the night

19:33:06 jurov: so as not to cook myself alive :D

19:33:16 decimation: have any of those github keys been among the compromised set?

19:34:01 jurov: yes, of the first million ssh rsa keys several had factors like 3,5,7,11

19:34:10 decimation: sad

19:34:53 jurov: total will be about 10mil

19:36:13 kakobrekla: jurov no ac?

19:36:23 jurov: i hate ac

19:36:31 kakobrekla: love heat then.

19:36:54 mircea_popescu: some places aren't really livable w/o it

19:37:18 jurov: that does not mean i should set my amd quadcore aglow on the top of it

19:37:29 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform eventually reorg succeeds.

19:38:09 decimation: jurov: why hate ac?

19:38:44 mircea_popescu: i bet you it's because all he had were cheapo units that always demoisturize to a certain % as result of their function, rather than actually CONDITION the air

19:38:50 mircea_popescu: ie, put it out at a specified tem and humidity.

19:38:54 jurov: it's seldom used here, so everywhere there's only that which just cools and recirculates bad air

19:39:50 jurov: and everyone is setting them too cool, am getting headaches of that

19:40:04 decimation: like miasma bad air?

19:40:19 mircea_popescu: airplane air heh

19:40:52 jurov: lol don't mention airplanes. last time i was sitting 10hrs in one i wanted to die

19:41:23 mircea_popescu: bring girlies along next time. or, you know... boygirlies i guess.

19:41:29 mircea_popescu: play tit-tag.

19:41:37 jurov: aha

19:42:27 decimation: airplane air is typically very dry http://www.askthepilot.com/questionanswers/cabin-air-quality/ " At around 12 percent humidity, it is drier than you will find in most deserts. This is chiefly a by-product of cruising at high-altitudes, where moisture content is somewhere between low and nonexistent."

19:42:31 assbot: The truth about cabin air ... ( http://bit.ly/1NJIuaI )

19:42:42 mircea_popescu: i had no idea when i was young i'll live in such gender role confusion times.

19:44:11 decimation: interesting: "The Boeing 787 has the healthiest air of any commercial plane, thanks to filters with an efficiency of 99.97 percent. Humidity too is substantially higher. The plane?s all-composite structure is less susceptible to condensation, and a unique circulation system pumps dry air through the lining between the cabin walls and exterior skin."

19:44:17 jurov: yea we were supposed to have warp drive and mind upload by 2010

19:44:20 decimation: having a non-metal skin would probably reduce condensation

19:44:31 jurov: but gender confusdion? never!!!1

19:44:38 mircea_popescu: srsly.

19:44:57 decimation: I would settle for a manned expedition to juipter

19:45:01 mircea_popescu: i was not told about this when we joined "the west" in 1990!

19:45:14 mircea_popescu: it literally was, "play along for 20-30 years, you get mind uploads ands warp drives"

19:45:20 mircea_popescu: WHERE THE FUCK ARE MY MIND WARPS!!1

19:45:24 mircea_popescu: o shit.

19:45:27 mircea_popescu: dude!

19:45:37 trinque: you got warped minds instead!

19:46:09 mircea_popescu: fucking shit. i bet you the whole thing runs on c++ and nobody did any bounds checking.

19:46:18 mircea_popescu: "o mp, it has much faster string operations". fuck you.

19:53:37 mod6: it checks 71 times!

19:54:10 mircea_popescu: huh ?

19:54:50 mod6: oh was just laughing about that link last night: The loops basically iterate 72 times << 72 i guess. heh

19:55:13 mircea_popescu: oh. well they have to cause 72 bytes max lol

19:55:19 mircea_popescu: but yea.

20:00:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1985 @ 0.000534 = 1.06 BTC [-]

20:00:16 scoopbot_revived: French TV Venture CANAL+ Hacked, Suppresses News with DMCA http://qntra.net/2015/07/french-tv-venture-canal-hacked-suppresses-news-with-dmca/

20:01:00 mircea_popescu: kik

20:01:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2550 @ 0.000534 = 1.3617 BTC [-]

20:01:21 mircea_popescu: what the fuck is wrong with french speakers, they're so enamoured with this denial through legal process bs ?

20:01:46 mircea_popescu: yo froggers : you don't have any "right to be forgotten", you don't get to abuse dmca out of fucking canada, and in general stfu.

20:03:51 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust hdbuck

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20:06:46 williamdunne: danielpbarron: Twitter's URL shortening is unpredictable. Basically it just checks if it can fit in 140 characters pre-shortening and trims what won't

20:07:01 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo contributor eh ?

20:07:05 mircea_popescu: !rate hdbuck 1 Latest qntra contributor

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20:07:32 mircea_popescu: there.

20:08:06 BingoBoingo: July starting out as good month.

20:09:38 BingoBoingo: Bitcoin "Core" sinking, true miner seekrit client existence proven, Frogs ignoring law again

20:10:12 williamdunne: Price going up doesn't hurt

20:11:31 ben_vulpes: ;;ticker

20:11:33 gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 271.49, Best ask: 271.52, Bid-ask spread: 0.03000, Last trade: 271.53, 24 hour volume: 42989.06339824, 24 hour low: 256.88, 24 hour high: 275.88, 24 hour vwap: None

20:11:44 ben_vulpes: hooer

20:15:04 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo mmmyeah, remember a year or so ago when i was like "dude gtfo, nobody is using bitcoin pseudocore for any purpose" and the whole "community" of "experts" in their own dreams was liek "omfg mp spreading fuds and what does he know anyway!!1"

20:15:57 mircea_popescu: o hey, 270. going to 300 is it.

20:16:48 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market buttchina

20:16:50 gribble: BTCChina BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 270.823599, Best ask: 271.316565, Bid-ask spread: 0.49297, Last trade: 271.316565, 24 hour volume: 28926.99150000, 24 hour low: 255.3435, 24 hour high: 274.474125, 24 hour vwap: 262.975360513

20:17:37 mircea_popescu: quoth php manual : "?php /* * Makes the value of "result" congruent to "value1" modulo " value2"."

20:17:47 mircea_popescu: dude i had no fucking idea number theory and geometry merged.

20:18:01 mircea_popescu: how the fuck are numbers going to be congruent to anything.

20:22:13 BingoBoingo: Wasn't there some Jewish thing where numbers had location or some shit.

20:22:19 mircea_popescu: kaballa ?

20:23:21 BingoBoingo: Yeah, that stuff Madonna was into

20:25:15 mircea_popescu: aha

20:36:11 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in engl. numbertheory books, 'congruence' is the predicate with the 'triple equals sign', ≡

20:36:18 asciilifeform: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Congruence.html

20:36:20 assbot: Congruence -- from Wolfram MathWorld ... ( http://bit.ly/1NGIXKh )

20:36:26 mircea_popescu: "exactly identical" ?

20:36:41 asciilifeform: 'congruent modulo m'

20:36:46 mircea_popescu: oh wow

20:36:48 mircea_popescu: i had nfi.

20:37:13 asciilifeform: whatddaya call it in ro

20:37:14 mircea_popescu: i like bitching here. i learn things.

20:37:53 asciilifeform: in ru, the numbers are 'сравнимы по модулю'

20:38:03 asciilifeform: (comparable on modulus)

20:38:16 mircea_popescu: "egal cu X modulo Y"

20:38:21 asciilifeform: aha so like ru.

20:38:24 mircea_popescu: tho apparently the english usage has been spreading.

20:38:58 mircea_popescu: tbh it's not a bad innovation

20:39:14 asciilifeform: generally, barring pathological cases, shorter -> better in maths notation

20:39:31 mircea_popescu: it does have significant similarities with actual congruence, so it's correcrtly oriented intuitively, and a word is prolly needed

20:39:35 mircea_popescu: yeah.

20:39:35 asciilifeform: aha.

20:40:39 mircea_popescu: i just throw severe exceptions when reading math with unexpected words in it, for obvious reasons.

20:41:02 asciilifeform: what kind of reader ~doesn't~ throw exceptions when encountering undefined symbol

20:41:10 mircea_popescu: the reddit reader.

20:41:18 asciilifeform: in other nyooz, 363954 on dulap

20:41:36 asciilifeform: 363736 on local box -connect-ed to mircea_popescu-node

20:41:51 mircea_popescu: it is, in fact, the one difference i see. there are the people who, when confronted with an unexpected symbol, DREAM UP a story involving it. then there are the people who fling the text across the room.

20:41:53 asciilifeform: are there multiple forklets ?

20:42:07 asciilifeform: anything peculiar at 363954 ?

20:42:19 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i have no idea how you'd have stopped at 54.

20:42:27 asciilifeform: stalled for a few hrs now

20:42:33 mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats

20:42:37 gribble: Current Blocks: 363989 | Current Difficulty: 4.940201493122746E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 364895 | Next Difficulty In: 906 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 0 hours, 57 minutes, and 36 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None

20:42:49 mircea_popescu: i dun think there's another fork.

20:43:03 mats: buttcoins rise again

20:43:31 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what's the height of your node ?

20:43:55 mircea_popescu: which one ?

20:43:56 mircea_popescu: dulap

20:44:10 mircea_popescu: the one i published is gonna stay at the place it is for i wanna look at this fork more.

20:44:15 asciilifeform: aha that one

20:44:17 asciilifeform: ok

20:44:20 mircea_popescu: it hurts nothing doing this, imo.

20:44:36 asciilifeform: i have a snapshot btw

20:44:41 mircea_popescu: ie, it still does what it was meant to do (publish the old blocks) and it keeps a valuable datapoint for the future.

20:44:44 asciilifeform: in case anyone needs it for something

20:44:45 mircea_popescu: good.

20:44:56 asciilifeform: it'll come in handy when i write the ph0rkvisualizer

20:45:02 mircea_popescu: right.

20:45:54 mats: with all this going on, are you making progress on the cardano?

20:46:12 asciilifeform: mats: if you are interested in cardano, take the time to read this month's broadcast.

20:46:24 asciilifeform: mats: http://fraudsters.com/2015/no-such-labs-snsa-june-2015-statement

20:46:25 assbot: No Such lAbs (S.NSA), June 2015 Statement on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LR83sq )

20:46:33 asciilifeform: (it is always found on mircea_popescu's www)

20:46:44 mats: alright

20:47:39 *: asciilifeform bbl in a spell

21:04:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79460 @ 0.00052447 = 41.6744 BTC [-] {5}

21:06:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35200 @ 0.00052012 = 18.3082 BTC [-] {3}

21:10:18 scoopbot_revived: Here's how you circumvent those draconianly stupid minimum wage laws. http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/05/heres-how-you-circumvent-those-draconianly-stupid-minimum-wage-laws/

21:10:42 punkman: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/06/world/europe/greek-referendum-debt-crisis-vote.html

21:10:45 assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1LRb1gx )

21:11:50 pete_dushenski: greeks -reject- ?!

21:12:15 pete_dushenski: "no moar austerity, we have our dignity"

21:12:27 punkman: guess if your bank account is empty you don't care much about capital controls

21:12:57 pete_dushenski: "we deserve it because our great^100-parents were useful and smart and had slaves and culture and everything"

21:13:35 pete_dushenski: and if you've never used plastic, who cares that it's now limited in use

21:16:22 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188325 << o hey cool.

21:16:22 assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 17:25:22; kakobrekla: dunno if anyone particularity cares here, but you can now trade commodities (oil, food..), indices (SP500, DOW...) and bezzlestocks (apple, google..) with bitcoin on bit4x

21:17:26 pete_dushenski: kakobrekla : sounds kinda similar to bitbet propositions. i'd be interested to learn more about how this works,

21:18:52 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla can we has tickers ?

21:18:58 williamdunne: kakobrekla: is bit4x profitable?

21:19:14 williamdunne: pete_dushenski: I'd assume like a standard CFD brokerage but they hedge the bitcoins to USD also

21:19:36 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: now that'd be neat.

21:19:40 mircea_popescu: yeah srsly.

21:19:49 mircea_popescu: hourly and large trade.

21:19:55 pete_dushenski: start pricing assets in something other than, as you said, zimbabwean pula

21:20:27 pete_dushenski: particularly the hard assets like oil, food, etc.

21:20:51 mircea_popescu: yeh

21:21:17 mircea_popescu: we kick the "btc balance bot" thing in gear, next thing you know i can sit here and go

21:21:47 mircea_popescu: !buy C.WTI 185 && $pay ^

21:21:59 mircea_popescu: and end up with 1.8mn barrels o' oil.

21:22:04 pete_dushenski: hehe

21:22:29 pete_dushenski: that's so cool it's almost evil.

21:22:37 mircea_popescu: isn't it ?

21:22:49 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla show yourself!

21:23:38 pete_dushenski: "on Saturday, China's top brokerages pledged to collectively buy at least 120 billion yuan ($19.3 billion) of shares to help steady the market, and would not sell holdings as long as the Shanghai Composite Index remained below 4,500."

21:23:47 pete_dushenski: "Some analysts suggest total margin lending, both formal and informal, could add up to around 4 trillion yuan."

21:24:03 pete_dushenski: "The government is anxiously awaiting the market opening on Monday to see if the new measures will halt a 30 percent plunge in the last three weeks,"

21:24:16 mircea_popescu: no it won't.

21:24:23 pete_dushenski: not a fucking chance.

21:24:33 mircea_popescu: ten-twenty years of building tin towns for tin women are catching up with them

21:24:48 mircea_popescu: so much wastage hidden under the rug by the "communist party" that... well...

21:24:50 pete_dushenski: the graph of the shanghai index is pointier than madonna's tits.

21:24:59 williamdunne: The fact that they're having to do it, demonstrates the weakness of the markets and should surely inspire less confidence! Seems stoopid

21:25:08 mircea_popescu: curious if this sends the chinese on a "democratizing" kick to texas.

21:25:50 pete_dushenski: williamdunne: well, it IS stupid. also phree money for traders.

21:26:06 williamdunne: pete_dushenski: Stoopid is all over the shop

21:26:09 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: what would that look like in your mind ?

21:27:19 mircea_popescu: what ?

21:28:20 trinque: mircea_popescu: btw deedbot.org is on a box that'll happily serve up the goods if referenced by another cname

21:28:22 kakobrekla: yeah i can add some sort of ticker-on-demand at some point.

21:28:33 trinque: moved the hosting from s3 to my own nginx

21:28:59 trinque: got the fucker in a state where it'll be less of a pain in the arse to work on in the future

21:29:07 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: i guess you just meant chinese invading 'merica ?

21:29:08 trinque: fancy one-script deploy and errethang

21:29:29 pete_dushenski: kakobrekla: cool beans.

21:29:41 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla how about you do this specifically : a) make assbot make an hourly report with prices and volumes for each traded commodity ; b) make assbot spot a line trade for each time trade in a commodity goes > 100 btc ; c) make assbot keep a wallet for every person in l2 ; d) allow me to order buys and sells on bit4x via assbot, just gives me a hash to unpack like rating works now.

21:29:52 mircea_popescu: and how about you do all this this week. i know i would trade on this system

21:29:57 mircea_popescu: and i bet you i would not be the only one.

21:30:37 williamdunne: I'd be an infrequent user

21:31:03 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski ah that. yes, like this always happens : chinese navy gets ordered to camp out between galveston and florida keys, us navy gets warned to stay the fuck out of their way. what are they going to do, fight ? the us is not fight worthy.

21:31:21 mircea_popescu: and next thing you know it chinese soldiers are on the ground looking to arrest obama to take him before miloshevich's tribunal

21:31:39 mircea_popescu: and to protect the citizens of baltimore from the criminal "federal government" with its long list of human rights abuses.

21:31:58 trinque: that recent chinese assessment of USian human rights was pretty lulzy

21:32:20 williamdunne: trinque: Source?

21:33:22 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla oh and e) have it deedbot a statement gpg'd to the owner's key each month, listing their assets.

21:33:28 trinque: williamdunne: http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/china/2015-06/26/c_134357934.htm

21:33:29 assbot: Full text of Human Rights Record of the United States in 2014 - Xinhua | English.news.cn ... ( http://bit.ly/1LRdibI )

21:33:29 kakobrekla: right now there are more urgent things on the plate, once api is working as id like we can do something like dat. until then you can run the platform with wine.

21:33:45 mircea_popescu: gotta serve the customer kako.

21:33:59 mircea_popescu: but anyway, i dun think the need for this will go away, so. take your time.

21:34:13 williamdunne: trinque: Cheers

21:34:50 trinque: williamdunne: "and you X negroes" more or less

21:35:13 kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188539 < feel free to try the demo

21:35:13 assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 21:17:26; pete_dushenski: kakobrekla : sounds kinda similar to bitbet propositions. i'd be interested to learn more about how this works,

21:35:22 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: two outcomes from u.s. citizen perspective : a) "all hail the chinese, our lords and saviours" leading into much cock sucking, or b) "git off our turf yellow niggers !" leading into much guerilla warfare a la afghanistan

21:35:37 trinque: gonna be B

21:35:41 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski dude gtfo, there is no b.

21:35:46 mircea_popescu: what b ?

21:35:56 pete_dushenski: kakobrekla: will look into it. thx !

21:35:56 trinque: I can see no way in hell the south would deal with a chinese occupation

21:35:59 mircea_popescu: they're currently welcoming the rights of transsexuals and the obsese. what b?

21:36:06 trinque: big country, still

21:36:17 pete_dushenski: ^

21:36:21 pete_dushenski: huge country

21:36:21 mircea_popescu: yeah, im sure there's gonna be some guerilla.

21:36:26 mircea_popescu: guess what ? there's some guerilla in the ukraine too.

21:36:31 mircea_popescu: who ever interviews them ?

21:36:35 trinque: oh yeah, not saying it'll *matter*

21:36:43 mircea_popescu: well ok then.

21:36:44 pete_dushenski: even 300 mn fat tards leaves, what, 30 mn fighters ?

21:36:52 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski you're off your rocker

21:37:04 mircea_popescu: there are not 100k people able to fight a war in the us currently.

21:37:24 pete_dushenski: so there's 80k, that's a lotta guerillas

21:37:26 mircea_popescu: war means, i fear i have to remind, spending the next 5 years without a woman eating your belt and shitting in a hole you dug yourself.

21:37:34 ben_vulpes: trinque: ain't gonna be b.

21:37:43 mircea_popescu: 80k is not a lot of mobsters.

21:37:47 mircea_popescu: what lot of guerilla.

21:37:51 trinque: ben_vulpes: you people never leave the cities, do you?

21:37:59 trinque: there are still rednecks with assloads of weaponry

21:38:03 trinque: whether they'll amount to anything, sure

21:38:06 trinque: but people will get shot

21:38:06 pete_dushenski: 80k suicide bombers ?

21:38:10 mircea_popescu: trinque dude, the gritted dissent of the peasantry was never a notable historical fact

21:38:14 mircea_popescu: which is why it was never recorded.

21:38:28 trinque: I just expect shitty times in between now and then, whenever then is

21:38:32 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski right. except atm those people whio would suicide bomb hate obama more than the chinese

21:38:44 mircea_popescu: because inept governance has managed to alienate all the people who matter to cater to the people who vote.

21:38:56 trinque: mircea_popescu: but they hate obama mostly because they're having the reaction to "strange" you've noted

21:38:56 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: anyways, not like i'm defending the toughness of the americans, i'm just saying that b exists, not same as it being probable

21:39:00 trinque: not for any rational reason

21:39:05 trinque: he's just black and smiles too much

21:39:12 mircea_popescu: i very much doubt this.

21:39:24 ben_vulpes: trinque: the rednecks will be the reason china gets involved.

21:39:51 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: how so ?

21:40:10 ben_vulpes: texas needs either zetas or chinks to hold its border to the north.

21:40:43 ben_vulpes: and china's the only one of those two groups today with ships and ship-launched rockets with significant distance capabilities.

21:40:49 mircea_popescu: <trinque> I can see no way in hell the south would deal with a chinese occupation << they seem to be dealing with a northern occupation just fine.

21:41:06 BingoBoingo: I could see a mixture of A and B with the Chicoms tolerating B in the areas uneconomical to occupy.

21:41:12 mircea_popescu: quite exactly.

21:41:21 trinque: that's basically what I'm saying.

21:41:23 mircea_popescu: and if you wanna b-talk, go to the b-tard reservation

21:41:26 trinque: chaos everywhere that doesn't matter

21:41:31 mircea_popescu: just like the us works now, so it won't even be strange.

21:41:35 jurov: and i guess chicoms will be happy to leave all the desert to mexico

21:41:50 mircea_popescu: what, you think maryland's not chaos everywhere "that doesn't matter" ?

21:41:55 mircea_popescu: go walk the streets at night.

21:42:18 trinque: I've been, not hungry enough yet though

21:43:24 BingoBoingo: I mostly curious if the Chicoms farm Iowa or mine the uranium under Iowa

21:44:16 trinque: ^ this seems wishful to me

21:44:22 mircea_popescu: that's really the tension here : usians currently use the us like inept argentines: they huddle around the coast and pull their cocks.

21:44:27 trinque: russia is not gone though the soviet union dissolved

21:44:30 mircea_popescu: the chinese would farm the shit out of that thing, to the bare bedrock.

21:44:43 mircea_popescu: in general disputes over land utilization resolve in favour of the more intensive.

21:44:54 mircea_popescu: and so... is no doubt in my mind the chinese are getting the us.

21:44:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21250 @ 0.00051999 = 11.0498 BTC [-]

21:45:00 mircea_popescu: how and when, well... no idea

21:45:40 ben_vulpes: i can see them either filling a power vacuum or backing an secession.

21:45:44 ben_vulpes: a*

21:45:52 trinque: ben_vulpes: now there's a theory that works a bit better imo

21:46:08 trinque: something like the US is doing now in western ukraine

21:46:12 mircea_popescu: (you may think "oh, wouldn't it be more logical to do africa first ?" and no, it wouldn't. africa's inhabited by monkeys currently, so it doesn't matter. same pattern played out in 1705 - napoleon went after europe not after the us. because in 1705 the us was africa)

21:46:14 ben_vulpes: same thing i said before, really.

21:46:16 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> that's really the tension here : usians currently use the us like inept argentines: they huddle around the coast and pull their cocks. << Seriously big chunks or Arable land in Kansas went from farmed to feral in the past two decades.

21:46:26 mircea_popescu: i know.

21:46:34 trinque: ben_vulpes: far more plausible than china's going to land on the coast like normandy

21:46:38 mircea_popescu: fallow not feral. feral's about animls.

21:47:05 ben_vulpes: trinque: ah, i only meant to suggest that they might park an armada offshore to provide fire support.

21:47:11 williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Commercially I think there will be fairly rapidly increasing Chinese investment in parts of Africa. Although that is a different matter.

21:47:29 mircea_popescu: williamdunne sure. and the us was built on european gold, look into the various panics culminating wit van buren

21:47:30 BingoBoingo: Oh, no. Completely feral. No one knows who the last title holder was on chunks of the place. I'm not talking unfarmed because it is out of the rotation. I'm talking retired from the being farmed business.

21:47:32 ben_vulpes: and with the work they're *doubtless* doing on autonomous flugenatoms that's going to be some impressive air support

21:47:35 mircea_popescu: but that's a diff story as you say

21:48:17 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes two things about chinese material research : a) american folk go "chinese have it so much better because their financing is secure" and b) they're spending about 10x more than the us

21:48:35 mircea_popescu: (real terms, nobody cares you paid your neighbour ten cents to claim you paid him ten trillion billions so you're rich now)

21:49:21 williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Greeks are now facing the Disqus problem; https://twitter.com/GreekAnalyst/status/617750418479820800

21:49:25 decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188518 < ascii I was just thinking that a 'fork watcher' is desperately needed

21:49:25 assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 20:44:56; asciilifeform: it'll come in handy when i write the ph0rkvisualizer

21:50:23 mircea_popescu: williamdunne fuck the greeks. they should have bought btc for every penny they had. they did not

21:50:30 mircea_popescu: why, because they're too good for their shit to stink ?

21:50:44 mircea_popescu: i hope half the country starves and the rest gets sold into prostitution in rural india.

21:50:56 williamdunne: mircea_popescu: I'm not handing out sympathy here. But yes, I agree. Ah well, they're providing a lesson that is cheap for the rest of the world re; ownership

21:51:08 mircea_popescu: rest of the world won't listen until it starves too

21:51:16 mircea_popescu: not that i mind.

21:51:20 williamdunne: It's fine, I'll start hoarding tins of beans

21:53:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19484 @ 0.00053808 = 10.484 BTC [+] {2}

21:53:15 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1187792 << like most things, it was relationship building. they challenge being that i was always starting out as the devil and had to spin my way into the good books.

21:53:15 assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 00:35:42; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185497 << what's the job mostly, looking at deep frozen pork bellies ?

21:54:05 mircea_popescu: oic

21:54:07 pete_dushenski: few restauranteurs and fewer landlords ever wanted a call from me, but too bad, i'm calling

21:54:38 pete_dushenski: but since my stick was so large and cumbersome to use, i had to finesse my way around problems

21:55:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70150 @ 0.00055031 = 38.6042 BTC [+] {5}

21:55:14 pete_dushenski: where stick = legislation

21:56:29 williamdunne: When was there ever an agile stick?

21:57:10 pete_dushenski: in the hands of a ninja ?

21:57:20 decimation: People I know who are from greece tell me that anyone who is worth a shit left long ago

21:57:22 williamdunne: turtles?

21:57:36 decimation: it's become the puerto rico of europe

21:58:37 pete_dushenski: williamdunne: yes.

21:58:50 punkman: there are plenty of people left if you ask me :P

21:59:00 mircea_popescu: decimation the particular thing that annoys me is that the fuctarded anglos traded greece for romania after ww2, because oh noes, got forbid the english "Aristocratic" fauntleroys get separated from the fabled homeland of collegiate faggotry.

21:59:10 williamdunne: punkman: plenty of people, or plenty of people worth a shit?

21:59:11 mircea_popescu: such a good deal this was, srsly.

21:59:55 decimation: mircea_popescu: I wouldn't be too upset, the romanians are taking the piss from the uk right now - talk to any london cabbie

22:00:08 punkman: williamdunne: only the latter is "people"

22:00:20 mircea_popescu: i am not upset in the slightest, tis history.

22:00:41 williamdunne: punkman: and the former are?

22:00:46 mircea_popescu: people gotta know why their ears are nailed to which board.

22:00:47 williamdunne: "The number of Romanians and Bulgarians working in the UK has risen by 15% year-on-year, Office for National Statistics (ONS) figures show. In the last three months of 2014 there were 172,000 people working in the UK who had been born in one of the two eastern European countries"

22:00:52 williamdunne: Can't be taking the piss that much

22:00:56 decimation: actually an enterprising young man from the uk ought to move to romania and start a factory

22:01:08 mircea_popescu: that'll go over well :D

22:01:14 punkman: williamdunne: the great unwashed, we don't care about those

22:01:25 williamdunne: punkman: A shorter name available?

22:01:38 mircea_popescu: williamdunne do those statistics distinguish romanians and gypsies ?

22:02:09 williamdunne: mircea_popescu: They say born in Romania, so yeah I guess it includes Romani born in RO

22:02:11 decimation: do pikeys count as gypies too?

22:02:15 mircea_popescu: gypsies are a migratory sort, they're not anymore romanian than austrian, french or british

22:02:22 mircea_popescu: decimation i think so.

22:02:43 jurov: they are no longer migratory

22:02:52 mircea_popescu: yeah, so said the sultan, cca 1400

22:02:52 williamdunne: decimation: Generally people don't differentiate between Romani and the Irish traveller sort - all come under the name 'gypsy' in the common tongue

22:03:38 mircea_popescu: williamdunne they're not really irish either lol. just called irish in england like they're called hungarian in some parts of romania

22:04:20 williamdunne: Just throw it into the stew, why not

22:05:15 decimation: it's interesting that they didn't really come to the us

22:07:09 williamdunne: decimation: I was lead to believe there was a growing "Irish" traveller population in the US

22:08:00 decimation: I've never seen one that was obvious

22:08:10 trinque: there are stinking punk kids that call themselves "travelers" here

22:08:19 cazalla: the irish have been flooding aussie shores for the past few years

22:08:30 decimation: then again there's enough land in the us that you could live in bumfuck nowhere and not bother folks so much

22:08:34 punkman: trinque: lol I can picture that

22:09:19 trinque: punkman: just losers in their 20s panhandling because as mircea_popescu said, nobody cares enough to beat them up for it

22:09:46 decimation: those we got plenty of, but I never saw any evidence that they had families and culture

22:09:52 trinque: no, nothing of the sort

22:10:01 mircea_popescu: actually gypsy culture would stand out like the second coming in the us

22:10:25 mircea_popescu: stuff like burning man etc stand for the peak of it there, but it's just about life 101 in gypsyland

22:10:35 jurov: l0l

22:11:45 mircea_popescu: anyway. actually genetic gypsy people don't drink well. this, they have in common with the hungarians. hence the entire thing in romania.

22:12:30 mircea_popescu: contrairiwise, the irish drink quite well, russian-like

22:12:30 pete_dushenski: ;;later tell BingoBoingo "This incident highlight" << missing 's'

22:12:30 gribble: The operation succeeded.

22:13:54 pete_dushenski: also "it is time for any last pretense of Bitcoin Core's development having any actual relationship to the actual living core of the Bitcoin Network." << time for what ?

22:14:50 jurov: time for drink!

22:15:44 mircea_popescu: with a yo ho ho

22:17:13 cazalla: such talk is triggering

22:18:40 mircea_popescu: i suppose the closest approximation of gypsy culture accessible in the us would be stuff like eve online.

22:18:58 mircea_popescu: not exactly trolling, not exactly wot, not exactly industrious. something.

22:19:32 jurov: nah, eve online has rules. more like eulora

22:20:08 mircea_popescu: btw, did you hear i'm gonna fuck up skills next ?

22:20:46 jurov: yes

22:20:53 decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188654 < oh, there's plenty that would resist an in-your-face takeover of the us by the chinese

22:20:53 assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 21:44:43; mircea_popescu: in general disputes over land utilization resolve in favour of the more intensive.

22:21:09 decimation: but nearly all of this opposition would be happy to work in exchange for chinese money

22:21:11 mircea_popescu: decimation orly.

22:21:15 mircea_popescu: hjahaha mkay.

22:21:16 decimation: yeah definitely

22:21:17 jurov: they don't need in-your-face

22:21:22 decimation: no, they don't work that way

22:21:26 mircea_popescu: the chinese don't do in your face anyway

22:21:28 jurov: just buy the land with ..useless trinkets

22:21:34 jurov: :D

22:21:54 mircea_popescu: jurov shut up this facebook autoposter is great! really needed for it simplifies my lyf!!1

22:22:25 mircea_popescu: also bought half dozen self licking icecream cones, you never know

22:23:29 decimation: they just open a huawei factory in texas, texas pays them to do so http://www.costar.com/News/Article/Huawei-Moves-to-Legacy-Place-II-Promises-600-Jobs/116355

22:23:31 assbot: Huawei Moves to Legacy Place II, Promises 600 Jobs - CoStar Group ... ( http://bit.ly/1KIgnZC )

22:24:14 decimation: because... they will help fund the real estate bezzletron

22:24:54 mircea_popescu: or so the bezzletron thinks

22:25:16 decimation: the chinese are willing to wait 100 years until your lease on hong-kong runs out

22:25:29 decimation: they would be willing to wait until the locals capitulate and beg them for jobs

22:25:30 mircea_popescu: oh, they won't dispute that. they will USE IT.

22:25:40 *: williamdunne uses twitter autoposter

22:25:47 mircea_popescu: "see, we're not even taking their lease on hong konmg. clearly we are the empire of law"

22:26:09 decimation: oh yes round-eyed master, you are great

22:26:09 mircea_popescu: you don't take over the enemy's things. you just make them be a burden to him now.

22:26:38 mircea_popescu: or, as the ever wise azn someguy or the other observed, "what good is your gold to you now ?"

22:28:08 decimation: on the freakonomics podcast, they had a guy on (retired army colonel) complaining that usg has nobody who thinks about anything strategic now

22:28:20 decimation: not that they ever did, really

22:28:34 mircea_popescu: arguably did at some point.

22:29:32 decimation: plenty of folks in usg and elsewhere see the big picture problems, but the usg throne seems to always get itself into 'urgent but unimportant' problems that distract them from any kind of long-term strategy

22:30:37 mircea_popescu: in any case, this all comes back to pete_dushenski attempts at education. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1158290

22:30:37 assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 16:46:31; mircea_popescu: but moreover avoidance of the situation where you piss off the rightly powerful.

22:30:49 mircea_popescu: basically, the usg has managed to alienate itself from the thiny sliver of people who actually matter.

22:30:58 mircea_popescu: this is a mortal sin nobody and nothing ever recovers from.

22:31:42 mircea_popescu: if that 1% doesn't feel the state like a glove, the state's gone. kinda like my ancient "the state may exist inasmuch as and for as long as i can't tell it's there."

22:31:58 mircea_popescu: once i observe it it's fucked.

22:32:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39949 @ 0.00051999 = 20.7731 BTC [-]

22:32:47 mircea_popescu: decimation strategic thinking is not the result of "thinking about big problems". the epitome of this distinction is here : http://fraudsters.com/2014/agency-and-other-notes/#selection-35.0-35.271

22:32:48 assbot: Agency and other notes on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1H25Ym5 )

22:32:58 mircea_popescu: that's a guy "thinking about big problems". he is no different from a dog thinking about bacon.

22:34:48 mircea_popescu: moreover, the strategic problems are often disguised as mundane things. i know at least a coupla of times my clock fucking stopped right here, over apparently nothings. and what the inept represent as "big problems" is almost never a usable or even vaguely correct representation. all about 'em, their emotional conflux, stuff like that.

22:35:42 decimation: often I find 'big problems' are unsolvable with any clear action anyway

22:36:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23900 @ 0.00052593 = 12.5697 BTC [+]

22:37:07 mircea_popescu: and the epitome of ~that~ distinction is as far as i know best illustrated by tornatore. in "l'uomo delle stele".

22:37:25 mircea_popescu: the plot is that a guy goes through villages with a broken camera, tricking people into paying him to make them cinema stars.

22:37:58 mircea_popescu: one of the rural inhabitants of a post-war italy that looks like 1300 ad is a shepherd. and he tells, the story of sherperding, specifically, that he talks to the stars

22:38:06 mircea_popescu: and sometimes wonders if the stars are real or the world is real.

22:38:21 mircea_popescu: this is in fact a big problem, and it was a major scientific advantage. in 3000 ad. five fucking thousand years ago.

22:38:51 mircea_popescu: obviously if you restart the process of 5k years ago with the means of 5k years ago you will get the comensurate results. this is a fact, because the processors still work, and in the same way.

22:39:03 mircea_popescu: nevertheless... this isn't, actualy, a big problem. hasn't been, for five millenia.

22:39:15 mircea_popescu: god fucking help us if we have to fork human thought that deep.

22:39:48 mircea_popescu: the general fate of "o noes, we will be poor" decay-of-civilisation ~small thinkers~ envisage is nothing compared. romania went through three of these in a century, was fine, will be fine. so will the us, if that's all it is.

22:39:57 mircea_popescu: once you have to start forking the thoughts tho... that's gonna be hard.

22:40:02 cazalla: BingoBoingo, why u no tell me this? http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/3c86sd/influence_of_gavin_andresen_and_his_fellow/cst7qvu

22:40:03 assbot: satoshi_pokemoto comments on Influence of Gavin Andresen and his fellow developers of the Bitcoin Core client waning to new lows as their attempts to force misguided efforts end in disaster. ... ( http://bit.ly/1H27rJ9 )

22:40:27 decimation: yeah I think I follow. it's kinda the root of ascii's complain about computing stuck in the 70's

22:40:34 mircea_popescu: i suspect so.

22:43:31 mircea_popescu: (the three, for the studious : 1929 ; 1945 ; 1989. the ww1 was not on the list, but instead a great time for romania. unexpectedly enough. young cvountry)

22:45:07 williamdunne: cazalla: Comment deleted, just as I was about to make a witicism

22:45:23 shinohai: > Did Gavin sleep with Mircea's wife or something? This article #9281 from qntra claiming that Gavin is incompetent.

22:47:19 mircea_popescu: wasn't the guy married to some chick people were more or less jokingly proposing to be satoshi in early say 2010-2011 ?

22:48:26 mircea_popescu: cazalla ahaha wait, BingoBoingo is mpoepr ?!?!

22:48:32 mircea_popescu: bb show us your tits!

22:53:34 mircea_popescu: cazalla here's a funny : one view shows the article at 5 votes and 8 comments. the other, 6 votes, 6 comments

22:53:40 mircea_popescu: obviously these can't be both true.

22:55:34 mircea_popescu: and yet qntra is supposed to be censoring stuff. go fig.

23:17:35 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski fixed

23:17:35 gribble: The operation succeeded.

23:20:24 BingoBoingo: Where is this comment calling me MPOE-PR?

23:21:50 BingoBoingo: Apparently reddit ate those allegations/compliments

23:21:55 williamdunne: /r/buttcoin

23:22:34 BingoBoingo: williamdunne: No I clicked the link and it gave an error instead of showing great comment.

23:23:20 BingoBoingo: See https://archive.is/dXGMy

23:23:21 assbot: Influence of Gavin Andresen and his fellow developers of the Bitcoin Core client waning to new lows as their attempts to force misguided efforts end in disaster. : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1G26Qq1 )

23:23:26 williamdunne: Yeah, they deleted it before I could pay my witicisms

23:32:10 asciilifeform: 363954

23:32:22 BingoBoingo: Does anyone have the actual text of the comment?

23:38:22 cazalla: it was just a oneliner that you are probably mp

23:39:24 BingoBoingo: Ah, I thought you were MP

23:40:21 BingoBoingo: And anyways I thought you said they said I was MPOE-PR

23:41:13 BingoBoingo: This is a crisis of existential proportions! I don't know who the Buttcoin public thinks I am.

23:41:40 *: asciilifeform is pleased to not have this problem

23:42:08 williamdunne: You're all MP

23:42:10 williamdunne: We're all MP

23:42:12 cazalla: nah, mircea_popescu said that, must've misread or we've gone inception or something

23:42:13 williamdunne: I'm MP

23:42:16 asciilifeform: bourbaki.

23:43:53 cazalla: daily weather forecast if anyone needs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePG6zUYvUZg

23:43:53 assbot: Ozzy Man Reviews: Yanet Garcia & Mexican Weather - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1G28h7G )

23:52:15 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188797 << very related thread >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-11-2014#910176

23:52:15 assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 22:38:21; mircea_popescu: this is in fact a big problem, and it was a major scientific advantage. in 3000 ad. five fucking thousand years ago.

23:52:15 assbot: Logged on 05-11-2014 00:20:25; asciilifeform: re: maths wot << it is important to understand why this happens.

23:53:20 asciilifeform: or that other thread, which i can't seem to find, where we spoke of how 'maths wot is not essential for being published, but for even having publishable ideas instead of burning your life on fibonacci sequences or some other solved/irrelevant dead end'

23:55:00 asciilifeform: as mircea_popescu points out, 'thought forks' are ruinously expensive

23:55:17 asciilifeform: makes global thermonukefest look like a cheap carnival ride

23:55:27 asciilifeform: if fork is deep enough.

23:55:59 asciilifeform: look how much of the 'thoughtchain' the folks flying the mohammedan flag ended up having to ditch

23:57:47 asciilifeform: (the cost is not apparent while the spoils of war - american tanks, ru/cn-contributed ammo, asian electronics - are plentiful. but try after!)

23:59:10 asciilifeform: the fella we keep bringing up, who directed his followers to use caesar's cipher, was actually being the very example of intellectual consistency here.