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00:00:02 assbot: Bitcoin Foundation | Supporting Education, Adoption and Development in Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1UxRDFd )

00:00:26 cazalla: they never seem to forget the inclusion of token african kid with mobile

00:00:37 kakobrekla: >We are migrating the website to a new and improved and more dynamic site. Please excuse any broken links or choppy pages as we work!

00:00:41 kakobrekla: on that very page.

00:00:48 kakobrekla: so get ready for #5

00:01:43 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000145.html << good example of how to use turdatron. click on the links to see each of the three attachments verbatim.

00:01:44 assbot: [BTC-dev] Rotor! ... ( http://bit.ly/1UxROR0 )

00:01:51 kakobrekla: like buttstamp "we just got hacked, we dont know where hour heads are so we refreshed our webpage while you wait."

00:03:14 asciilifeform: ftr i happen to think that the turdatron is an abomination, but presently i have no idea what could be used instead. in fact, iirc i was the one to suggest the current scheme.

00:04:51 asciilifeform: one possible variant would be to permit l1 folks to deedbot arbitrary detached signatures, and then accept via mail any document that matches the signature (one per, or we get dosed)

00:18:35 pete_dushenski: http://40.media.tumblr.com/4a958e207098bb86c56aaaf72fd32d49/tumblr_msoz7xsp541qzi1ujo1_500.jpg << ava gardner. at 13 (!!!) years of age

00:18:35 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1UxTgmv )

00:20:02 pete_dushenski: http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/1.674381 << lulzy example of israeli tech leading the way

00:20:04 assbot: Amid Migrant Crisis, Europeans Interested in Israeli Border Barriers - World - Haaretz ... ( http://bit.ly/1UxTnOQ )

00:33:32 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/03/what-its-like-to-be-poor/#comment-28797

00:33:34 assbot: What it’s like to be poor. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1UxUCO5 )

00:41:46 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha thanks. gonna try redoing this for the 7th or so time

00:42:18 mircea_popescu: gonna cc you too.

00:44:42 mircea_popescu: clearsigned, armored body ; attachment 1, text. attachment 1 detached signature, armored in ; nothing whatsoever out. god damned it...

00:44:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00072967 = 10.0694 BTC [-]

00:45:55 mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> >We are migrating the website to a new and improved and more dynamic site. Please excuse any broken links or choppy pages as we work! <<< one wonders wtf the progre thinks progress actually is. "new improved more dynamic" = "broken". so whydja want it ?

00:46:33 pete_dushenski: "Deniss Calovskis, 30, pleaded guilty in federal court in Manhattan to conspiring to commit computer intrusion, admitting that he had been hired to write some of the computer code that made the so-called Gozi virus so effective."

00:47:09 pete_dushenski: "Under a plea agreement, Calovskis, who has been in U.S. custody since his extradition, agreed not to appeal any sentence of two years in prison or less." << bizarro condition for a plea bargain

00:47:25 mircea_popescu: notrly ?

00:47:46 pete_dushenski: so why not sentence him to 2 years minus a day ?

00:47:47 mircea_popescu: about as unenforceable in a sane justice system as "employee agrees not to sue employer for any reason" employment contracts in california, but hey.

00:50:23 shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-09-2015#1262950 <<< Likely the same ppl that bitch about mpex having that 90's coded website when it works perfectly fine *for what it was designed to do*

00:50:23 assbot: Logged on 05-09-2015 00:45:55; mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> >We are migrating the website to a new and improved and more dynamic site. Please excuse any broken links or choppy pages as we work! <<< one wonders wtf the progre thinks progress actually is. "new improved more dynamic" = "broken". so whydja want it ?

00:51:22 pete_dushenski: which, incidentally, ties into mp's observation about smartphones being 'tvs in everyone's arse'

00:51:57 pete_dushenski: web 2.0 (non-3d) is broken for usability, but functional for fucking around

00:52:58 pete_dushenski: as supported by today's discovery that it's damn-near impossible to find out what 'technologies' and 'features' a pampers diaper has : http://www.pampers.com/en-us

00:53:00 assbot: Diapers, Baby Care, and Parenting Information at Pampers.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1UxWt5p )

00:53:44 pete_dushenski: their whole fukcing website is dumbass mom's giving their 'reviews' of products and idjit gizmodo rejects writing 'how-tos' and 'top 5s'

00:53:56 pete_dushenski: moms*

00:53:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35211 @ 0.00072967 = 25.6924 BTC [-]

00:54:36 pete_dushenski: why learn anything or do anything when you can just dick around until the cows come home ?

00:55:12 shinohai: Truth.

00:55:37 pete_dushenski: of course, behind the scenes, is proctor and gamble, which is to say, that senile old limp-dick from omaha

00:56:03 pete_dushenski: 'just giving the people what they want'

00:56:22 shinohai: People don't know "what they want"

00:56:28 pete_dushenski: the united states of television : a channel for every star on the flag

00:56:46 shinohai: times eleventeen

00:56:46 pete_dushenski: shinohai: they want to 'feel heard'

00:57:01 pete_dushenski: so that's exactly what they get

00:57:43 shinohai: Glad others find the meaning of life with such simplicity.

00:57:52 pete_dushenski: they're not actually heard, of course, no functional system could handle that much noise, but they are lent a convincing simulacrum of importance

00:58:20 pete_dushenski: shinohai: remember, these 'others' aren't people in the sense that we are

00:58:38 shinohai: I find it rther liberating to know I don't matter and no one gives a shit what I say.

00:59:20 pete_dushenski: do you desire to matter ?

01:00:31 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-09-2015#1262962 <<< i didn't realise how pervasive the tidal shit from mummy bloggers were until i began looking up baby related things online

01:00:31 assbot: Logged on 05-09-2015 00:53:44; pete_dushenski: their whole fukcing website is dumbass mom's giving their 'reviews' of products and idjit gizmodo rejects writing 'how-tos' and 'top 5s'

01:01:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30700 @ 0.00073425 = 22.5415 BTC [+]

01:01:21 pete_dushenski: cazalla: pretty offensive eh ?

01:02:32 cazalla: well, not really, gave me the idea to do.. daddy blogging lol

01:03:41 pete_dushenski: https://stronglang.wordpress.com/2015/09/03/new-voice-transcription-feature-in-google-docs-censors-some-swearwords/ << the future of voice recognition software. "oh, we don't need keyboards, we just need next-gen ai so we can mommy blog while we're changing diapers."

01:03:43 assbot: New voice transcription feature in Google Docs censors (some!) swearwords – Strong Language ... ( http://bit.ly/1UxXudT )

01:03:59 pete_dushenski: glhf.

01:04:16 shinohai: Nearly everyone *wants* to matter in some way, pete_dushenski. I'm not sure I want to matter in the preconceived notions that American culture *wants* you to matter in.

01:04:45 pete_dushenski: cazalla: i'd read it

01:05:23 shinohai: I was told I didn't need my physical keyboard either, only a touchscreen. yeah.

01:05:24 pete_dushenski: shinohai: leaving aside 'normal american' notions, how do ~you~ want to matter ? if you don't mind the inquiry

01:05:30 cazalla: pete_dushenski, they're a dime a dozen so i never pursued it further than regging a domain name

01:05:49 cazalla: in other news, should be a bumper crop of broad beans in 6-8 weeks http://i.imgur.com/cWCLM61.jpg

01:05:50 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1NTe7Sg )

01:06:10 pete_dushenski: cazalla: terrible logic and you know it. there's dozens of 'tech/poli/bitcoin newz sites'. none are qntra.

01:06:22 cazalla: pete_dushenski, ok, i'm lazy :)

01:06:25 cazalla: or busy!

01:06:28 pete_dushenski: better !

01:06:37 pete_dushenski: :)

01:06:41 shinohai: I don't mind the inquiry, sometimes I think perhaps I am too uneducated to even know the answer to that lol/

01:07:08 pete_dushenski: cazalla: solid lookin' plants btw

01:07:44 cazalla: pete_dushenski, can't say the same for the brussel sprouts, aphids made a meal of them all

01:08:11 pete_dushenski: shinohai: well no one's born knowing these things, but there are worse places to learn about the world and yourself than b-a

01:08:22 pete_dushenski: like, everywhere else :P

01:09:05 shinohai: That's why I'm here, so at least I may glean some knowledge in my lifetime.

01:11:16 trinque: asciilifeform | <trinque> maybe becomes a function of the web page viewer for V ? << i am writing one. << cool!

01:11:49 trinque: asciilifeform: deeding detached sigs seems a decent feature in any case

01:16:36 funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-09-2015#1262799 <-- Aha, thank you. Apparently I had no clue what "lexicon" actually means.

01:16:36 assbot: Logged on 04-09-2015 21:58:42; mircea_popescu: <funkenstein_> the language is the lexicon << this is beyond naive and absolutely never the case.

01:16:50 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i got it, but ml didn't...

01:17:28 asciilifeform: sig verifies..

01:17:39 asciilifeform: or not!

01:17:43 asciilifeform: neither sig verifies.

01:18:09 asciilifeform: $ gpg --verify florianweimer.txt.asc

01:18:09 asciilifeform: gpg: Signature made Fri Sep 4 18:26:16 2015 EDT using RSA key ID 2FB7B452

01:18:09 asciilifeform: gpg: BAD signature from "Mircea Popescu (Acest articol are apriori avantajul aliteralitatii alaturi.) <office@polimedia.us>"

01:18:16 asciilifeform: $ gpg --verify florianweimer-general.asc

01:18:17 asciilifeform: gpg: Signature made Fri Sep 4 19:06:50 2015 EDT using RSA key ID 2FB7B452

01:18:17 asciilifeform: gpg: BAD signature from "Mircea Popescu (Acest articol are apriori avantajul aliteralitatii alaturi.) <office@polimedia.us>"

01:19:16 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and i think he was talking about an ssl turd, rather than anything from phuctor ?

01:20:05 asciilifeform: my observation was that he neglected to mention what was meant by 'accidental factors of a corrupted public key', and the most prominent prior art.

01:22:30 pete_dushenski: the craftiest spam commenters i've yet seen are all pointing to this guy : http://handyortenmein.com/

01:22:31 assbot: Handy Orten - Genaue Handyortung von Leuten ... ( http://bit.ly/1UxZnan )

01:22:36 pete_dushenski: strange.

01:23:50 pete_dushenski: all comments use different proper names (no xxxtina), different ip addresses, different url-shorteners (!), but all use same gmail addy

01:24:27 pete_dushenski: and the comments themselves are exceedingly close to being relevant and don't contain a single outbound link

01:24:45 pete_dushenski: i'm actually kinda impressed.

01:29:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4241 @ 0.00072769 = 3.0861 BTC [-] {2}

01:30:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83009 @ 0.00072221 = 59.9499 BTC [-] {4}

01:43:15 funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-09-2015#1262718 <-- I just see more evidence Pythagoras was right

01:43:16 assbot: Logged on 04-09-2015 20:19:44; BingoBoingo: http://cen.acs.org/articles/93/i35/Another-Neurodegenerative-Disease-Linked-Prion.html << More evidence that chirality and rotation matter when we search for a new planet

02:06:12 ben_vulpes: trinque: i'll bang on it with you

02:06:18 ben_vulpes: craft a patch

02:06:28 asciilifeform: https://cryptome.org/2015/09/nnsa-iranian-target.htm << lulzy

02:06:30 assbot: NNSA an Iranian Target? ... ( http://bit.ly/1LPZX0Q )

02:06:30 ben_vulpes: saturday?

02:06:34 trinque: ben_vulpes: sounds great

02:06:43 ben_vulpes: groovy. am?

02:09:50 trinque: ben_vulpes: nah had a rough week; sleeping in

02:09:57 trinque: see logs re: stolen property

02:11:10 ben_vulpes: boo, okay. ring me when you're up.

02:11:25 trinque: k

02:19:18 mircea_popescu: ah what the fuck.

02:23:58 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://dpaste.com/1FHAYQK so i suppose the ATTACHEMENTS get mangled now ?

02:24:00 assbot: dpaste: 1FHAYQK ... ( http://bit.ly/1in1WQw )

02:25:33 punkman: mircea_popescu: what mail client did you use btw?

02:26:11 mircea_popescu: <cazalla> i didn't realise how pervasive the tidal shit from mummy bloggers were until i began looking up baby related things online << this ironically is the first, and to date the most ample use of language. stupid women spreading their stupid whatever it is while pregnant and nursing.

02:27:15 mircea_popescu: and, much like insane notions of agency as defined legally ("guy spreading his legs is DOING something ; gal eating herself into a bus size is not specifically doing anything"), the quantitative approach favours female dumb.

02:27:20 mircea_popescu: "oh, my blog got 5989546 comments"

02:27:26 mircea_popescu: "yeah, from 10k idiots just like you"

02:28:24 mircea_popescu: squirrelmail

02:28:33 mircea_popescu: punkman ^

02:29:41 punkman: squirrelmail ate the last newline in one of my files

02:30:33 mircea_popescu: yup, the verify fails if i download the attachments

02:30:39 mircea_popescu: but works on the files as they are.

02:30:40 punkman: or maybe something wrapped a line wider than 80 chars

02:30:57 mircea_popescu: at this point, i find myself persuaded that email is the wrong thing, knuth was right, it should have died long ago.

02:31:13 mircea_popescu: punkman these are attachments. should go through untouched in ANY manner.

02:33:04 punkman: html form would have worked so much better for turdatron

02:33:12 asciilifeform: punkman: i am making this.

02:33:18 asciilifeform: punkman: because i, too, grew tired.

02:33:32 punkman: cool

02:33:54 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and make it take armored encrypted msgs only ?

02:34:10 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that'd mean having keys on the serv end

02:34:35 mircea_popescu: so ?

02:34:35 asciilifeform: something i like to avoid if it can be avoided.

02:34:45 trinque: asciilifeform: jurov gave me a script to sync a gpg keychain with assbot's list

02:34:45 punkman: why encrypt

02:34:47 trinque: could snag it for you

02:35:39 *: asciilifeform does not regard boxes he doesn't personally keep behind a locked door with cameras etc. as cryptoworthy

02:36:23 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform more for message integrity than anything

02:36:33 asciilifeform: can armour plaintext, y'know

02:36:50 mircea_popescu: sure.

02:36:58 asciilifeform: aka uuencode.

02:37:13 asciilifeform: i was just gonna have the thing eat tars.

02:37:38 asciilifeform: (no gz, it is an attack vector)

02:37:55 asciilifeform: inside tar, payload & sigs as before.

02:38:55 mircea_popescu: in today's lulz : it turns out that bitcoin-qt interface, if presented with a malformed value such as 1,275 btc instead of the 1.275 notation,

02:39:02 mircea_popescu: will choose to interpret it as... 1275.

02:39:08 asciilifeform: glorious

02:39:27 mircea_popescu: this is in my mind the new high point of "bitcoin core" power ranger retardation

02:39:30 asciilifeform: but this is correct american notation.

02:39:42 mircea_popescu: not the fact they kept the wallets around unencrypted for 4 years.

02:39:43 asciilifeform: actual knob in qt!

02:40:28 mircea_popescu: gee, i guess all this preoccupation with kids in africa must be pretty fucking novel. they didn't give a shit about africa throughout.

02:40:30 mircea_popescu: idiots.

02:40:36 asciilifeform: (american traditional floating point is the comma, e.g., a thousand and one nights, 1,001)

02:40:43 mircea_popescu: so ?

02:41:05 asciilifeform: so 1,275 is 1275 in the land of mordor.

02:41:16 mircea_popescu: residents of northern tenochtitlan need to get over the idea that the "united states of america" matters

02:41:17 asciilifeform: whereas pi is 3.14159...

02:41:31 asciilifeform: (in the south, 3!!)

02:42:33 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: all sv gasbags use the same 'clip art' with starving africans holding iPnohes - i could've toldya that

02:43:14 mircea_popescu: buncha ignorant racist twerps

02:43:18 *: mircea_popescu is disgusted

02:43:38 trinque: http://dpaste.com/2BSFFV8 << note will happily delete your whole keychain of pubkeys assbot dun like

02:43:39 assbot: dpaste: 2BSFFV8 ... ( http://bit.ly/1hJ88lq )

02:44:01 trinque: script courtesy of jurov

02:44:48 *: asciilifeform wonders how many folks verified that the key on file is actually the one they expect

02:44:56 asciilifeform: rather than a cosmic-rayed superset

02:46:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33100 @ 0.00072154 = 23.883 BTC [-] {3}

02:46:57 mircea_popescu: on what file ?

02:47:14 trinque: in my case a deedbot- user would notice the rejected: 1 and complain to me

02:47:15 asciilifeform: wot

02:47:17 trinque: so not that worried

02:47:45 asciilifeform: trinque: understand, if it includes your actual subkeys, it can go unnoticed

02:47:57 asciilifeform: (for some purposes anyway)

02:49:07 trinque: most damage it could do is fart out 0.0002 per hour til I wake up :P

02:49:14 trinque: but yeah could happen I guess

02:50:21 trinque: asciilifeform: however, much more relevant to bitcoind dev

02:51:38 mircea_popescu: yep, just tested this. squirrelmail mangles sent attachments. for crying out loud.

02:51:59 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i vagualy recall an old thread where someone identified a misconfiguration which leads to this.

02:52:17 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have squirrelmail on my end, and it does not mangle attachments.

02:52:21 mircea_popescu: i have no fucking idea what this is, diff fails over ity

02:52:28 mircea_popescu: (returns entire identical file as "changed")

02:52:32 asciilifeform: (even 'gmail' ferfuxxsake doesn't!)

02:52:56 punkman: I didn't find anything in squirrelmail configuration

02:53:17 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: hexdump -C foo1 > foo1.hex; hexdump -C foo2 > foo2.hex; diff foo1.hex foo2.hex

02:53:45 punkman: entire file as changed must be newlines

02:54:38 trinque: kinda hilarious how everything in OSS starts breaking the moment you have hard requirements

02:55:07 mircea_popescu: this is incredible. . becomes ..

02:55:24 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actual . ?

02:55:48 mircea_popescu: 0a becomes 0d 0a

02:55:51 mircea_popescu: motherfucker.

02:55:52 pete_dushenski: did xerox make squirrelmail ?

02:56:00 trinque: haaa

02:56:11 mircea_popescu: who the fuck told you .txt is ok to fuck up omfg

02:56:18 mircea_popescu: JESUS CHRIST.

02:56:28 asciilifeform: now mircea_popescu gets to froth like i did, lol

02:56:31 mircea_popescu: the who the fuck line is caps and me holding shift at the same time. consider it double screaming.

02:56:54 mircea_popescu: it's not even jurov's fault in any sense

02:56:57 asciilifeform: control-alt-shift-meta-hyper-modelock aha

02:56:57 mircea_popescu: COMPUTING SUCKS

02:57:00 *: pete_dushenski can hear the sweet sounds of keyboards being smashed in a furious rage all the way from arg.

02:57:04 mircea_popescu: and i hold florian w in no small part responsible.

02:57:21 mircea_popescu: to answer your earlier obsevation : i want to be friends with thios schmuck like i want to be friends with dea agent.

02:57:30 mircea_popescu: he wants to be tolerated, better brownnose like his life depends on it.

02:57:46 mircea_popescu: fairness is for peers not for the canaille.

02:58:02 asciilifeform: the one thing that i don't get is why mr schmuck is blowing a usgtron open

02:58:15 asciilifeform: (presumably to distract from the ones still whole ?)

02:58:58 mircea_popescu: you know what "burn" is righty ?

02:59:02 asciilifeform: aha

02:59:07 mircea_popescu: once "the terorrists" get them, they're to be publicised.

02:59:17 asciilifeform: where i'm from we call it, approx., 'flushing'

02:59:18 asciilifeform: but same idea.

03:03:33 mircea_popescu: $ gpg --verify florianweimer.fuckeveryonewhowaseverinvolvedincomputersyouarethereasonthingsuckihopeyougetcanceranddie.asc florianweimer.fuckeveryonewhowaseverinvolvedincomputersyouarethereasonthingsuckihopeyougetcanceranddie

03:03:33 mircea_popescu: gpg: Signature made Fri 04 Sep 2015 11:22:04 PM ART using RSA key ID 2FB7B452

03:03:33 mircea_popescu: gpg: Good signature from "Mircea Popescu (Acest articol are apriori

03:03:38 mircea_popescu: and it STILL won't make it to ml.

03:04:03 mircea_popescu: but at least now it doesn't change /n to /r/n anymore

03:04:20 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what of the message body ?

03:04:26 mircea_popescu: it's an asc

03:04:26 asciilifeform: it, too, was mutilated earlier.

03:04:34 mircea_popescu: oh was it !? .asc ?!

03:04:37 asciilifeform: aha.

03:04:48 *: mircea_popescu no loinger has the energy.

03:04:56 mircea_popescu: i will not be using the mailing list system in the future.

03:05:07 mircea_popescu: three hours was my total budged interacting with it for this entire year.

03:05:13 punkman: (maybe wrong order, first attachment must be clearsigned)

03:05:20 mircea_popescu: FIRST ?!

03:05:25 mircea_popescu: ah, yes, it is.

03:05:40 mircea_popescu: anyway, fuck it.

03:08:59 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it was all the more frustrating to me because 1) i suggested it 2) couldn't think of any genuine improvement

03:09:47 mircea_popescu: fucking detached sigs.

03:09:59 mircea_popescu: that's where the night came in. when i allowed the use of detached sigs.

03:10:01 mircea_popescu: never a fucking gain.

03:10:15 mircea_popescu: clearsign documents - one file. encrypted documents - one file. that's it.

03:10:15 asciilifeform: how the fuck is more than one person supposed to sign something without detached sigs ?

03:10:24 mircea_popescu: under no circumstances may one item be two files and fuck everything.

03:10:33 asciilifeform: and how the fuck is a sig to be attached to a binary ?

03:10:36 mircea_popescu: god im pissed off

03:10:43 asciilifeform: it isn't one item !

03:10:48 asciilifeform: it is two.

03:10:51 asciilifeform: sig. and payload.

03:11:09 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and now HOW THE FUCK IS THE PAYLOAD A THING

03:11:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30950 @ 0.00073333 = 22.6966 BTC [+] {3}

03:11:18 asciilifeform: it is the thing that was signed.

03:11:19 mircea_popescu: that's why it's one thing. so they protect each other.

03:11:28 mircea_popescu: "the thing that was signed" can not stand on iuts own.

03:11:31 mircea_popescu: this idea is broken.

03:11:36 asciilifeform: no, but the signature - can.

03:11:53 mircea_popescu: at this point in life & time when i am stuck sending an item purporting to be "a payload" on its own, i've already lost.

03:12:03 asciilifeform: trivially, it is impossible to have a thing like what i am making now, where the sig is not uploaded first

03:12:18 asciilifeform: because otherwise, enemy can upload a petabyte of garbage, and the sig is not seen until later

03:12:25 asciilifeform: (the later never comes, we have ran out of universe)

03:12:36 mircea_popescu: and then any reandom schmuck comes around and herp derp, s/x/y/ because hey, i read it in a coimputing cookbook once

03:13:18 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'v' elementarily cannot work with 1) gpg 2) non-detached sigs.

03:13:22 asciilifeform: that's pretty much it.

03:13:29 asciilifeform: can't have 1+2.

03:14:01 mircea_popescu: so what do i do ?

03:14:28 mircea_popescu: you tell me, what the fuck am i supposed to do. i got this thing here, i want it to be so and so. what now.

03:14:34 asciilifeform: two variants 1) wait till i'm done writing the wwwtronic upload box thing (could be tomorrow night, i'm spending the morning pulling cable)

03:14:55 mircea_popescu: since this was part of an email, my choices are fix it now or forget about it.

03:15:03 mircea_popescu: not to disparage your thing, but it doesn't help me.

03:15:15 mircea_popescu: i was detrimentally relying on our already having shit that works.

03:15:16 asciilifeform: hmm

03:15:24 asciilifeform: somebody ~had~ this problem

03:15:26 *: asciilifeform digs in log

03:15:27 mircea_popescu: you.

03:15:45 mircea_popescu: you had this problem, almost ot the letter, and i confess i thought you were being unreasonable.

03:16:24 mircea_popescu: but honestly, if my choice is between this and nuclear winter im picking nuclear winter right now and everyone can just get a free tan.

03:16:54 asciilifeform: can't find it in log, but iirc this was solved by voodooistically adding a guaranteed trailing newline to all ascii.

03:17:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00073055 = 7.1594 BTC [-]

03:17:36 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-11-2014#920339

03:17:36 assbot: Logged on 13-11-2014 22:30:54; jurov: EATS THE TRAILING NEWLINE

03:18:08 mircea_popescu: this is not the trailing.

03:20:22 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: btw note that your clearsigned ~and~ detach-signed texts are getting mutilated alike.

03:20:46 punkman: maybe clearsinged got column wrapped?

03:20:49 asciilifeform: prolly because your squirrelmail install treats the attachments as mime/txt or whatnot and decides 'eligible for genitalmutilation!!'

03:21:12 pete_dushenski: damn jooz ruining email now too

03:22:08 *: mircea_popescu tries roundcube

03:22:30 *: mircea_popescu gags at the atrocious "dynamic" page

03:22:40 *: mircea_popescu tries horde

03:23:15 mircea_popescu: not any better.

03:23:27 asciilifeform: ferfuxxsake

03:24:23 asciilifeform: http://www.sherline.com/images/3CUBES11.jpg << roundcube

03:24:25 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1NTlB7M )

03:24:33 *: asciilifeform did not until now know that there was any other roundcube

03:25:26 mircea_popescu: heh

03:25:45 mircea_popescu: anyway. email does not belong in civilised society and that's what it is.

03:25:56 mircea_popescu: i will proceed to phase it out altogether.

03:26:06 mircea_popescu: dpaste and irc and fuck you.

03:26:14 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2014#901007 << thread where it was me.

03:26:14 assbot: Logged on 29-10-2014 01:26:08; asciilifeform: and folks ask me wtf i mean when i say 'we don't have computers yet'

03:26:22 asciilifeform: about this very same thing.

03:26:43 asciilifeform: and we even http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2014#901034

03:26:43 assbot: Logged on 29-10-2014 01:33:12; mircea_popescu: jurov yeah srsly, maybe only accept base64'd emails ?

03:27:10 mircea_popescu: what i had in mind with the "accept encrypted only" thing

03:27:13 asciilifeform: and instead of mircea_popescu, it was me http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2014#901168 -ing

03:27:13 assbot: Logged on 29-10-2014 02:05:46; asciilifeform: what, i gotta debug 'squirrelmail' now ?

03:27:35 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform did you actually find a fix ?

03:27:37 asciilifeform: and even http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2014#901029

03:27:37 assbot: Logged on 29-10-2014 01:32:22; asciilifeform: possibly these will have to travel armoured and rsa'd to turdatron's pubkey

03:27:45 asciilifeform: somehow i fixed my squirrel!

03:27:47 asciilifeform: but how/???

03:27:52 mircea_popescu: pfff

03:27:57 mircea_popescu: i do not wish to use it anymore.

03:28:13 asciilifeform: does mircea_popescu have any idea how long i have wished not to use it !

03:28:27 mircea_popescu: the difference being that the limits to my activit yare my own discretion.

03:28:47 asciilifeform: tbh i was a little surprised that suddenly mircea_popescu was bothering to use turdatron

03:29:01 mircea_popescu: why ?

03:29:23 asciilifeform: too much yoga (in the soviet cartoon 'single nail, start small' sense) in it, for folks not accustomed to this yoga

03:29:49 mircea_popescu: believe it or not i never ran into it before.

03:31:01 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how did you do this one http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000047.html ?

03:31:01 assbot: [BTC-dev] bitcoin-src-21may2012.tar.gz ... ( http://bit.ly/1NTm5uD )

03:31:09 mircea_popescu: that one worked!

03:31:12 mircea_popescu: same exact system

03:31:12 asciilifeform: aha

03:31:17 mircea_popescu: copiued everything exactly like i did there

03:31:26 asciilifeform: so what gives.

03:31:27 mircea_popescu: by now i sent 12+ emails trying combos like an idiot

03:31:34 mircea_popescu: da fuck do i know. i'm the user!

03:31:41 asciilifeform: almost wondering if it gets mangled en route.

03:31:53 asciilifeform: email really has lived its proper life ten times.

03:32:00 punkman: if you regularly email signed things, gotta wonder how many arrive mutilated and are never checked

03:32:01 asciilifeform: mix the cement.

03:32:13 mircea_popescu: well no cause i can see the sigs no longer verify/stuff was mangled if download the attachments.

03:32:21 asciilifeform: hmm

03:35:05 mircea_popescu: hory shit

03:36:11 mircea_popescu: mkay. so the important rule being : never use any sane file extension.

03:36:20 asciilifeform: so it ~was~ mime ?

03:36:26 mircea_popescu: go for g58a2 or w/e, 5 character items. no .txt ; no .asc ; no anything

03:36:30 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it was the fucking extension.

03:36:40 asciilifeform: triggers the mutilatron aha

03:36:50 asciilifeform: otherwise my tar.gz-en would have been mangled

03:37:23 asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-September/000164.html << congrats mircea_popescu

03:37:23 assbot: [BTC-dev] No you didn't "we observed". Please quote your sources. ... ( http://bit.ly/1VEkslU )

03:37:59 asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150904/florianweimer_cfc8c951caf6f5369c6421759f0113527f5f5fa0.fuckeveryonewhowaseverinvolvedincomputersyouarethereasonthingsuckihopeyougetcanceranddie << worked also.

03:38:00 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1VEkyKj )

03:38:12 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so muchg fopr the ~actual~ intended usecase, where idiot can be emailed with the ml cc'd.

03:38:15 asciilifeform: and best filename ever.

03:40:16 mircea_popescu: stupid fucking shit.

03:41:19 mircea_popescu: the only way to extract function out of the kicking-and-screaming pile of "human cultural & civilisational heritage" is to use things it doesn't know yet. unknown file extensions. unknown protocols. what have you.

03:41:31 mircea_popescu: a sterner indictment of humanity as a species could scarcely be devised.

03:41:39 mircea_popescu: "only good places are where people generally aren't"

03:41:41 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is very reminiscent of the pesticide business

03:41:45 asciilifeform: or antibiotic, in particular

03:41:50 asciilifeform: gotta use unexpected weapon.

03:42:00 asciilifeform: or the vermin just get fatter

03:42:19 asciilifeform: the old bugspray, it just gets them roaches high.

03:42:45 mircea_popescu: this is the reason early us was so great : it correctly identified the natives as the scum that they are, by virtue of being people, and massacred them wholesale.

03:42:48 asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> "only good places are where people generally aren't" << ergo naggum's 'herd hither, me thither'

03:42:52 mircea_popescu: was good for almost a whole century.

03:43:15 asciilifeform: or uncle al's 'war was invented by folks living downstream of herds'

03:43:52 mircea_popescu: fuck love ; genocide now!

03:43:57 mircea_popescu: there, that's my haiku for the day.

03:44:07 asciilifeform: or my 'give thermonukes a chance'

03:51:27 punkman: "Is that a virus? Who cares. Run it. Let the Russian botmaster watch you dress through your webcam. Make sure your underwear matches. Lenovo."

04:09:54 mircea_popescu: not even that far off.

04:28:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30100 @ 0.00072759 = 21.9005 BTC [-]

04:33:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11354 @ 0.00072759 = 8.2611 BTC [-]

04:42:30 funkenstein_: this could only be some kind of test

04:45:36 funkenstein_: I cannot fathom what is meant here with "great" and "scum" and "a century"

04:47:55 funkenstein_: perhaps, a hint for the future of North Tenochtitlan

04:51:48 *: funkenstein_ yields the asson-bot and goes to consult with the great spirit

05:32:53 mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/aPfv6U8.gifv << dude decided moving the god damned vespa would not have been easier.

05:32:54 assbot: Feeling like a Hulk ... ( http://bit.ly/1KwmS4k )

05:58:57 deedbot-: [fraudsters] No Such lAbs (S.NSA), August 2015 Statement - http://fraudsters.com/2015/no-such-labs-snsa-august-2015-statement/

05:59:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6561 @ 0.00072957 = 4.7867 BTC [+]

06:18:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30050 @ 0.00072957 = 21.9236 BTC [+]

06:28:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24031 @ 0.00073045 = 17.5534 BTC [+] {3}

06:35:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30300 @ 0.00073235 = 22.1902 BTC [+] {3}

07:49:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22800 @ 0.00072835 = 16.6064 BTC [-]

07:52:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11350 @ 0.00072835 = 8.2668 BTC [-]

08:02:47 mircea_popescu: https://starbase.jpl.nasa.gov/ o.O

08:02:51 assbot: download.recurser.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1NgV6ZQ )

08:09:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25200 @ 0.00073388 = 18.4938 BTC [+]

08:16:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7701 @ 0.0007279 = 5.6056 BTC [-] {3}

08:40:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15150 @ 0.00073024 = 11.0631 BTC [+] {3}

08:54:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39000 @ 0.00072192 = 28.1549 BTC [-] {3}

08:55:08 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell funkensein_ see http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-lorax/

08:55:09 assbot: The Lorax on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1QfKZ6a )

08:55:10 gribble: The operation succeeded.

09:27:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22217 @ 0.00073403 = 16.3079 BTC [+] {3}

09:32:46 mircea_popescu: http://markets.money.cnn.com/cgi-bin/upload.dll/file.png?z08ec0f0az5e8990136ea343baae189f0837004ef6 << so does teh pump got a 3rd round or is this it ?

09:32:47 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JVUBSq )

10:10:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22100 @ 0.00072253 = 15.9679 BTC [-]

10:11:05 assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 213 @ 0.00479473 = 1.0213 BTC [-] {3}

10:42:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27424 @ 0.00072025 = 19.7521 BTC [-] {5}

10:46:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00072002 = 5.4002 BTC [-]

12:48:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26700 @ 0.00072528 = 19.365 BTC [+] {3}

12:51:42 shinohai: https://redd.it/3jnadz <<< kek

12:51:44 assbot: 0.93 Lost btc in transaction fee, BitFury? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1NhlLFZ )

12:56:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17050 @ 0.00072637 = 12.3846 BTC [+] {3}

13:04:16 punkman: http://www.zdnet.com/article/bitcoin-miners-digitalbtc-6-77m-in-the-red/

13:04:18 assbot: Bitcoin miner DigitalBTC $6.77m in the red | ZDNet ... ( http://bit.ly/1NhnfA5 )

13:09:49 shinohai: Welp I don't think they are gonna mine their way back in the black punkman xD

13:20:45 punkman: shinohai: that's why they raised $3.5mil to make an app

13:36:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31925 @ 0.00072814 = 23.2459 BTC [+]

13:45:54 shinohai: Because apps solve all our software problems.

13:46:20 fluffypony: you're not a real company unless you have an app

13:55:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26500 @ 0.00072846 = 19.3042 BTC [+] {3}

13:57:35 shinohai: Is there a #bitcoin-assets app? (kek)

14:04:56 assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 581 @ 0.0047626 = 2.7671 BTC [-] {2}

14:24:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2876 @ 0.00072875 = 2.0959 BTC [+]

14:42:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70200 @ 0.00073264 = 51.4313 BTC [+] {4}

15:11:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30705 @ 0.00072924 = 22.3913 BTC [-] {5}

15:21:15 mats: jurov: do you have a new eta for coinbr?

15:29:51 funkenstein_: "American Holocaust" - David E. Stannard <-- start here.

15:34:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22150 @ 0.00073154 = 16.2036 BTC [+] {6}

15:36:29 funkenstein_: I'm also not going to celebrate the destruction of the library of Alexandria because "people".

15:38:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29411 @ 0.00072315 = 21.2686 BTC [-] {3}

15:52:27 funkenstein_: It's not Washington's orders to slit throats of women and children, nor Jackson's collection of noses and human skin leather that pisses me off so much.

15:53:12 funkenstein_: It's the total lack of intellectual curiosity - the fear of learning - and yes - that they drove off the fucking lorax.

16:02:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113850 @ 0.00072049 = 82.0278 BTC [-] {6}

16:32:18 funkenstein_: !up Luke-Jr

16:37:06 mats: TIL most major .gov.gr servers still use SSLv3

16:42:56 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-09-2015#1262756 << in other words, the perfect pressed-shit-carbide with which to carve up httptrons

16:42:56 assbot: Logged on 04-09-2015 21:44:38; mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> great, but why? << this is a complex point and would require some more indepth discussion to do it justice. in summary to my eyes it is an early attempt by the microsoft citatel to parlay compatibility problems of early linux into a "here, we've strangled it" usg solution. it failed to work irl, and the failure of java is torvalds' chief merit in this world. using it today is not unlike

16:43:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.00071929 = 11.3648 BTC [-]

16:44:04 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-09-2015#1262786 << aww, not the 4u!

16:44:04 assbot: Logged on 04-09-2015 21:55:02; trinque: my car was smashed-n-grabbed two nights ago, stole that 4u I picked up and some other computers, guitars, etc

16:44:20 ben_vulpes: but srs, "don't leave valuables in the vehicle" around these parts.

16:48:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27150 @ 0.0007226 = 19.6186 BTC [+] {3}

16:49:24 shinohai: http://cointelegraph.com/news/115232/4-of-bitcoins-most-powerful-corporations-may-consider-joining-forces

16:49:26 assbot: 4 of Bitcoin's Most Powerful Corporations May Consider Joining Forces ... ( http://bit.ly/1JHylIv )

16:49:36 shinohai: ^ BitPay pic is creepy af

16:50:25 funkenstein_: !up Luke-Jr

16:54:56 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-09-2015#1263157 << the luxury

16:54:56 assbot: Logged on 05-09-2015 03:05:07; mircea_popescu: three hours was my total budged interacting with it for this entire year.

17:00:26 ben_vulpes: shinohai: today i didn't want to go to brunch, so lady v made me brunch before going out for her own.

17:02:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23850 @ 0.00071929 = 17.1551 BTC [-]

17:09:13 shinohai: Well *you* still have a trained one ben_vulpes. My gf is coming over to cookout later, though I rather enjoy the BBQ side of cooking.

17:12:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.0007318 = 6.8789 BTC [+] {3}

17:18:18 ben_vulpes: it's been a mutual training

17:18:33 ben_vulpes: i, for instance, no longer shit in the kitchen

17:38:56 shinohai: LOL

17:58:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19300 @ 0.00072331 = 13.9599 BTC [-]

18:06:45 ag3nt_zer0: mornin yall

18:06:48 ag3nt_zer0: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHmzzu4FAnM

18:06:50 assbot: Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau sings Im Fruhling - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1g1ZsW6 )

18:08:31 ben_vulpes: !up lksakeye

18:08:43 lksakeye: Yo this is isaackl. For the record, I returned dear leader his 1 btc, one month before he accused me of theft. (https://blockchain.info/address/1Bum3oXxbCLUg54snyL6rmBz7vRBuPUr6G, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172722)

18:08:43 assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 20:41:46; mircea_popescu: in other news, that dude i tried to hire to do bitbet advertising absconded with the budget did he.

18:09:11 ben_vulpes: oho

18:09:28 punkman: so I mutilated Veh, it now saves its cache to disk so it doesn't have to redo it all each time it's invoked

18:09:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37028 @ 0.00071882 = 26.6165 BTC [-] {5}

18:10:09 ben_vulpes: d'you have a vpatch for it yet, punkman?

18:10:13 ben_vulpes: v. nifty.

18:10:24 punkman: it's not a patch, it's now called vit

18:10:54 ben_vulpes: ;;later tell mircea_popescu you have popcorn

18:10:56 gribble: The operation succeeded.

18:10:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8450 @ 0.00071855 = 6.0717 BTC [-]

18:11:48 punkman: mostly for personal amusement, but I'll post it to ml later

18:14:34 punkman: example output http://codebeautify.org/jsonviewer/636e02

18:14:35 assbot: vit ... ( http://bit.ly/1g204uV )

18:25:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2365 @ 0.00072566 = 1.7162 BTC [+] {2}

18:26:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25738 @ 0.0007337 = 18.884 BTC [+] {3}

18:38:29 trinque: ben_vulpes | but srs, "don't leave valuables in the vehicle" around these parts. << yup, was packing.

18:40:15 ben_vulpes: brutal, missed that part.

19:00:05 shinohai: Fail: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/el-chapo-drug-bosss-son-accidently-reveals-fugatives-location-on-twitter-10488067.html

19:00:06 assbot: 'El Chapo': Drug boss's son accidentally reveals fugitive's location on Twitter - Americas - World - The Independent ... ( http://bit.ly/1hLdqg6 )

19:04:10 jurov: in the half of the logs... now the ml is busted too?

19:04:23 jurov: great

19:05:38 punkman: jurov: it's probably ok for now

19:07:06 jurov: sigh. i defo need a buddy for these times when my brain just shuts down (this time due to allergy)

19:07:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00072443 = 9.3451 BTC [-]

19:09:02 jurov: but noone else is so crazy as to be doing this

19:11:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15548 @ 0.00072443 = 11.2634 BTC [-]

19:12:50 punkman: jurov: dunno if I can help, but if you need a second set of eyes on something, feel free to ask

19:16:18 jurov: punkman: you already have access to mailman vps,no? or was it mod6?

19:16:47 punkman: I don't have access to anything

19:20:11 shinohai: !up ascii_modem

19:22:08 ascii_modem: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-09-2015#1263375 << catastrophically bad idea !!!

19:22:08 assbot: Logged on 05-09-2015 18:09:28; punkman: so I mutilated Veh, it now saves its cache to disk so it doesn't have to redo it all each time it's invoked

19:22:23 ascii_modem: now it had state

19:22:32 ascii_modem: which sucks

19:22:45 ascii_modem: i won't ever use this.

19:23:23 ben_vulpes: as a pedagogical exercise, why?

19:25:04 ascii_modem: because state.

19:25:27 ascii_modem: i will explain once i have a keyboard

19:25:52 ascii_modem: unless mp gets here first

19:31:04 punkman: ascii_modem, I understand this, but let's just say I have other project that won't be fun if it takes 6 weeks to recompute

19:47:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20752 @ 0.00072443 = 15.0334 BTC [-]

19:49:52 btcdrak: What do you think about this: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3jo24n/bitcoin_foundation_todays_shoutout_is_to/curh92i

19:49:54 assbot: btcdrak comments on Bitcoin Foundation: "Today’s shoutout is to Blockstream, who has funded more core dev than anyone, including us. Their knowledge & depth is extraordinary." ... ( http://bit.ly/1LQRL0o )

19:57:04 shinohai: Congrats on your celebrity coindesk status too btcdrak

19:57:49 btcdrak: <3 that was a pretty good score considering all the armchair lawyers who came out of the woodwork telling me I was wrong...

19:58:58 shinohai: !up thestringpuller

19:59:51 shinohai: It's reddit, did you expect any less than amateirs that know better than you?

19:59:59 shinohai: *amateurs

20:13:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19600 @ 0.00072373 = 14.1851 BTC [-]

20:23:53 ben_vulpes: args.f(args) argleblarg

20:45:19 mod6: <+ascii_modem> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-09-2015#1263375 << catastrophically bad idea !!! << I don't want it to cache the stuff to disk each time either. I want it to do everything from start, ensures that everything is fresh and !stale.

20:45:19 assbot: Logged on 05-09-2015 18:09:28; punkman: so I mutilated Veh, it now saves its cache to disk so it doesn't have to redo it all each time it's invoked

20:45:38 shinohai: Teach us, mod6

20:49:30 mod6: Well, one thing I don't want is a persistant store of the parents and children of a given patch. I want it to read it fresh everytime so ensure things aren't diddled or cosmic-ray'd or just stale or something. Not sure if that's what was changed on punkmans side. But I want the one that I use to do all of this in one shot.

20:57:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11999 @ 0.00072361 = 8.6826 BTC [-] {3}

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21:34:52 shinohai: Proof American military might is weakening: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2015/09/05/army-launches-investigation-after-violence-in-west-point-pillow-fight/

21:34:53 assbot: Army launches investigation after violence in West Point pillow fight - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1hLArj7 )

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22:49:44 funkenstein_: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/04/world/americas/otto-perez-molina-guatemalan-president-resigns-amid-scandal.html

22:49:47 assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1QgR0zf )

22:51:37 funkenstein_: but no, nyt won't mention that he is a cia asset, soa graduate, or name the ixil.

22:53:12 shinohai: Of course not, even though the US pressured his admin to end "corruption" lol

22:53:51 shinohai: It serves their interests more to keep the region unstable, and it has been far too long since Guatemala's civil war.

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23:01:41 funkenstein_: I fail to see how mental illness and retardation run amok is in anyone's interest

23:03:16 funkenstein_: For more on that Guatemala story grep for "1986": http://www.skeptic.ca/American_Holocaust.htm

23:03:18 assbot: Morality ... ( http://bit.ly/1QgRLZb )

23:03:28 shinohai: I have no clue. usg feels that if a region is unstable and retarded then 'muricans can swoop in save the day and keep it all under their control?

23:04:37 funkenstein_: shinohai, the only thing I can come up with is such total insecurity and absence of self worth that the feeling of killing things makes one feel like they "matter" (to borrow from earlier convo)

23:06:24 shinohai: Perhaps so. I have not the insights into such things myself. Though I cannot be accused of having inflated self-worth I can't rationalize how killing things makes me matter more.

23:06:50 shinohai: And pete_dushenski and I just discussed "mattering" last night!

23:07:07 funkenstein_: that's the one ;)

23:09:59 funkenstein_: perhaps we shouldn't try too hard to understand the actions of psychopaths, but rather - the inaction of those who could prevent this shit

23:17:11 shinohai: I can see that. Death seems too simple a solution to deal with enemies, if your desire is to conquer them.

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23:27:08 shinohai: Where are mircea_popescu 's aphorisms in moments like this.

23:29:03 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: is it intentional that v will not list the wot without root patches?

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