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00:12:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42400 @ 0.00074764 = 31.6999 BTC [-] {2}

00:18:55 decimation: ;;ticker

00:18:57 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 327.5, Best ask: 328.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.50000, Last trade: 328.0, 24 hour volume: 28801.57254709, 24 hour low: 322.04, 24 hour high: 365.07, 24 hour vwap: 0

00:20:27 decimation: !up justanotheruser

00:21:02 justanotheruser: hi

00:21:13 kakobrekla: hi

00:21:25 decimation: hello! what brings you here?

00:22:01 justanotheruser: was directed here to listen to someone talk

00:22:39 decimation: ah well this would be the place. I suggest reading the logs at log.bitcoin-assets.com if you are curious

00:23:03 justanotheruser: thanks

00:36:06 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: no sir i do not

00:36:26 ben_vulpes: remember how i was lamenting abandoning my m.e. toolchain for computers?

00:42:26 penguirker: New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/msigna-bitcoin-wallet-to-debut-this-weekend/

00:55:04 *: ben_vulpes is curious about cockrings now

00:55:46 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: can't say as i know why your cutoff tool's doing that to the piece. the mark looks like an overheating of either workpiece or cutting tool, but the geometry indicates that it was spiraling in on a single pass.

00:57:06 ben_vulpes: i'd expect you to not be cutting so deep on a single pass (if your tooling even supported it) (due to apparently having a working understanding of machining limitations), which implies some crazy connection between out of true-ness of the workpiece maybe?

00:57:19 ben_vulpes: but even that doesn't really make a whole lot of sense.

00:58:37 ben_vulpes: sometimes one just sees weird marks on the finished pieces - typically, one programs in a light finishing cut with a sharp tool to keep qa "engineers" from failing the piece on visual inspection.

00:59:15 ben_vulpes: also the geometry's a bit weird for a single-pass cut, which reduces the likelihood.

00:59:20 ben_vulpes: tl;dr: I DUNNO MANG

00:59:32 ben_vulpes: engineering response: "depends"

00:59:50 ben_vulpes: oh lol hand machined slave collars

01:00:02 ben_vulpes: so i helped with a wide-bore bearing one time

01:00:53 ben_vulpes: http://psas.pdx.edu/lv2cspincan/

01:00:54 assbot: lv2cspincan

01:01:35 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: there's a market for single-piece metal collars? aren't the leather ones flexible by design?

01:03:33 ben_vulpes: <ninjashogun> jurov, hi. I'm actually a startup founder << oh look, i pin the tail on the recruiter donkey and the original spamgun shows up in an effort to lend credence to the notion that they're seperate entities

01:05:53 ben_vulpes: <kakobrekla> imm prolly usg covert << no mp is usg covert

01:10:10 ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> (more in that vein: are the tax authorities permitted to harass them, as if they were mortals? or need permission first.) << usg employees are notoriously immune to "mistakes" on their filings.

01:12:11 ben_vulpes: http://otakugangsta.com/image/99115327495

01:12:11 assbot: OTAKU GANGSTA : Photo

01:28:12 decimation: ben_vulpes: single-piece collars as in no hinge?

01:30:32 decimation: re: usg officials with 'immunity' : http://www.buzzfeed.com/aramroston/exclusive-family-business-at-the-national-security-agency

01:30:33 assbot: Wife: NSA Official. Husband: Exec At Firm Seeming To Do Or Seek Business With NSA

01:36:32 decimation: ben_vulpes: that's a neat rocket assembly

01:39:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 80 @ 0.01060006 = 0.848 BTC [-] {7}

02:55:27 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: those adult-sized tools are glorious.

02:56:06 *: asciilifeform doesn't even own an indexer yet...

03:09:08 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes lifetime slavegirls have little use for leather collars.

03:09:20 mircea_popescu: for one thing, you can't really shower with one.

03:10:01 *: asciilifeform recommends inconel - theoretically good for a millenium or three in salt water

03:10:35 mircea_popescu: nah, copper compounds aren't tolerated well by the skin.

03:10:40 mircea_popescu: silver alloys, especially silversteel.

03:10:57 asciilifeform: precious little cu in there

03:11:13 mircea_popescu: don;t take much. all cu oxides are poisony.

03:11:15 asciilifeform: and it does its job precisely by refusing to react with just about anything, esp. at st.

03:11:16 asciilifeform: stp

03:12:04 mircea_popescu: o wait this is the ni-chromium thing nm

03:12:11 asciilifeform: see also 'hastelloy'.

03:12:12 mircea_popescu: my bad

03:13:24 mthreat: damn I want to buy an L-39 jet. http://www.l39.com/content/faq

03:13:25 assbot: FAQ | L-39 Enthusiasts

03:14:40 penguirker: New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/cryptocoinsnews-is-anything-but/

03:16:48 mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> <kakobrekla> imm prolly usg covert << no mp is usg covert << no u

03:17:18 cazalla: more like convert amirite

03:17:48 mircea_popescu: pervert, anyway.

03:18:13 mircea_popescu: cazalla btw, wow on your killing it with that thing.

03:18:20 mircea_popescu: you gonna keep this 10 a day rythm ?

03:18:25 mircea_popescu: because if you do you win.

03:18:33 cazalla: time will tell i guess

03:18:57 mircea_popescu: a good third of why fraudsters is so powerful is that i goddamn post.

03:21:37 decimation: for me titanium works well on my skin

03:21:45 decimation: but it's difficult to machine obviously

03:21:59 mircea_popescu: titanium is usually cast afaik

03:22:27 decimation: avoid nickel. platinum works for me too but a bit pricey :)

03:23:20 mircea_popescu: not really that pricey. you wouldn't want more than a couple of ounces given that weight harms tissue

03:23:36 mircea_popescu: and a couple of ounces aren't that much of a fortune

03:25:30 asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/R4EbgZN

03:25:30 assbot: police show. - Imgur

03:26:00 asciilifeform: ^ actual show in my town

03:26:20 decimation: platinum also develops a neat grayish patina

03:26:54 decimation: asciilifeform: one wonders why the police need a .50 cal rifle

03:27:07 asciilifeform: i asked

03:27:30 asciilifeform: policeman helpfully explained, that it was decreed that they must have a few in order to stop cars...

03:27:45 asciilifeform: maintained that it has never been put to this use yet.

03:27:56 asciilifeform: and pointed out that if i want one, it can be bought for about 5k usd.

03:28:01 mircea_popescu: how is a .5 rifle stop cars ?

03:28:10 asciilifeform: same way you stop airplane with it

03:28:30 asciilifeform: (a round through the radiator, most practically)

03:28:51 decimation: I know a few private citizens that own full-auto machine guns

03:29:19 mircea_popescu: so wait, you stop the car coming at you ?

03:29:26 decimation: you need to fill out the right forms and have someone with a note from Stalin give you leave

03:29:34 mircea_popescu: afaik the ballistic car stopers is shooting the tires. which can be done with a bb gun really

03:29:38 asciilifeform: decimation: and pay 50K+ usd

03:29:56 decimation: as I recall it was also a couple $$ per shell

03:30:16 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik they are forbidden to shoot at the tires - it results in an out-of-control spin, demolishes unrelated cars

03:30:41 mircea_popescu: and blowing up the cylinders does not ?

03:30:52 cazalla: BingoBoingo, i'm not so sure about that new background colour

03:30:56 asciilifeform: why would it ?

03:31:05 decimation: for the purposes of police, it would seem much more practical to use 'stop strips'

03:31:21 mircea_popescu: i dunno dood, jagged bits of hot metal going any which way

03:31:46 decimation: I doubt any political figure in the dc area is going to allow someone to fire a small cannon at a criminal

03:31:51 asciilifeform: there was also a chopper, several $mil, according to its keeper. fitted with 100k ir camera.

03:32:19 asciilifeform: according to the lecturer - can stay aloft for a whole 2 hours!

03:32:20 decimation: asciilifeform: human-piloted or otherwise?

03:32:23 asciilifeform: human

03:32:32 asciilifeform: tiny thing though, like a flying police car.

03:32:37 asciilifeform: seats four men

03:33:01 decimation: maryland state police used those eurocopter doulphins for awhile

03:33:04 asciilifeform: keeper lamented that it had no arms or armour

03:33:22 decimation: obligatory: https://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2012/09/17/massachusetts-state-police-new-helicopter/

03:33:23 assbot: Philip Greenspun's Weblog » Massachusetts State Police New Helicopter

03:33:32 mircea_popescu: lol flying police car

03:33:58 decimation: maryland was/is the only state that had a fully government owned/operated medivac system

03:34:27 decimation: to take care of the 30k people who die per year on the roads, of course

03:35:02 asciilifeform: chopper specialist explained that his machine exists solely to search for people

03:36:26 decimation: I guess if you have a few $tn to blow every year you gotta have your manned people-search helicopters

03:36:45 asciilifeform: this was a county police dept.

03:36:49 asciilifeform: (not even state)

03:37:48 dub: sorry is this argument that you don't want to have your life saved by this service because tax?

03:37:54 mircea_popescu: "A posting every day; an interesting idea every three months?" not a bad byline

03:38:09 decimation: when I was living in maryland it struck me as very odd about how powerful the local counties were

03:38:13 asciilifeform: dub: the chopper (not in photo) does not evacuate, it was a kind of flying version of ordinary police car

03:38:24 dub: praps tehre should be a non-resuss clause inherent in being a libertard

03:38:41 decimation: dub: I was implying that other localities get by with civilian pilots

03:39:04 mircea_popescu: dub the argument is that if you spend ten grand on an omlette when your entire weekly budged is 6k, people coming in to derp about how "so you don't want to eat" get a pie to the face.

03:39:08 mircea_popescu: here's yours.

03:42:42 decimation: asciilifeform: I considered living in pg county once - until I realized how high the local property tax rates were

03:43:10 mircea_popescu: decimation you don;'t really have to own property to live there tho, do you ?

03:43:34 asciilifeform: decimation: these don't really get rolled into rent effectively, so i don't much care

03:43:54 dub: these wage numbers are terrifying

03:43:55 decimation: yeah this is a good point. I rent now and I'm reluctant to get back into the real estate bezzle world

03:44:00 joecool: decimation: NJ has had that since the 80's, just took delivery of 5 new helicopters in the past year or two

03:44:18 decimation: if you lived in say, bowie, you would have to pay nearly 2% per year

03:44:44 dub: someone instructing others in teh use of aircraft earns $50k?

03:45:23 asciilifeform: get back into << as for me, i was never in

03:45:29 mircea_popescu: this shit's epic.

03:45:29 mircea_popescu: http://nypost.com/2012/05/06/brutal-system-of-teen-beatings-continues-at-rikers-islands-rndc-prison/

03:45:31 assbot: Brutal system of teen beatings continues at Rikers Islands RNDC prison | New York Post

03:45:35 mircea_popescu: "

03:45:35 mircea_popescu: AMONG THE VICTOMS: Eighteen-year-old Christopher Robinson (pictured) was killed in 2008 by thugs in "The Program", a brutal heiarchy which victomizes youths at Rikers Island including an imnate who was hospitalized for a broken jaw."

03:45:41 decimation: dub: piloting is an interesting chumpatron. most pilots earn peanuts, but they all hope to fly for the 'major' airlines and earn $300k per year

03:45:53 asciilifeform: ;;google tournament market

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03:45:56 mircea_popescu: sorry me'em, i cunt nit fuonds me vuwils

03:46:00 dub: sorry. a lot less, they take a break from earnign essentially nothing to go an earn an apparently desirable $50k

03:46:30 mircea_popescu: dub flying is a labour of love. what, you think mthreat hopes to make any sort of profit flying a jet for no reason ?

03:46:51 decimation: http://willflyforfood.com/airline-pilot-salary/188/United-Airlines.html

03:46:51 assbot: United Airlines Pilot Pay Rates

03:47:19 dub: jesus

03:48:56 decimation: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/four-female-prison-guards-impregnated-by-same-inmate/

03:48:57 assbot: Four female prison guards impregnated by same inmate - CBS News

03:49:04 mircea_popescu: aahahahaha

03:49:07 mircea_popescu: ok, great one.

03:49:33 asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSwz3Kl4xFw

03:49:33 assbot: PG Police robot demo - YouTube

03:49:36 asciilifeform: ^ from same

03:49:36 decimation: of course only maryland can explain why they hire women to guard hardened gangsters

03:50:39 mircea_popescu: so basically they were slavegirls

03:50:43 mircea_popescu: going by the tattooing

03:50:44 decimation: yes

03:51:14 mircea_popescu: this guy got me licked.

03:51:26 mircea_popescu: ;;rate tavon 3 nigga's got the moves.

03:51:26 gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.

03:51:30 mircea_popescu: well, maybe one day.

03:51:37 decimation: there is something poetic about a prisoner literally impregnating the state's authority personified, and it says something about usg & friends

03:51:55 mircea_popescu: says more about the guy.

03:52:35 decimation: yes, he's no doubt a supreme 'alpha' type

03:53:14 decimation: baltimore isn't exactly known for its quality governance . watch "The Wire" if you wanna know the details

03:54:45 decimation: asciilifeform: that's a neat little two-wheel bot

03:55:11 asciilifeform: decimation: it costs, allegedly, $maxint

03:55:18 asciilifeform: (forget exact amount - 5 figures usd)

03:55:25 decimation: heh. I think it could be built for less than $500

03:57:54 decimation: that little bot seems more useful than a 0.50 cal rifle to a policeman. ideally, one could use it to 'scout' to see if "worst case swat team" is really required, rather than joe the constable

03:57:56 dub: less than $50 in bulk

03:58:22 *: asciilifeform asked 'ever use it.' lecturer replied 'many times'

03:58:47 decimation: I suspect a majority of engineers working in the us feed their families on this business model

03:58:51 asciilifeform: also lecture concerned specifically the 'swat team'

03:59:13 decimation: Well, if I were going to bust open a door, I would want to know what is behind it

04:02:24 asciilifeform: http://atomictoasters.com/2014/06/q%C2%B3-sfsiwi-edition/#more-31867 << unrelated

04:02:25 assbot: Q: SFSIWI Edition : Atomic Toasters

04:03:50 decimation: lol looks like a good way to lose a finger

04:06:05 decimation: btw here's the guy who likely wrote the bash bug: http://tiswww.case.edu/php/chet/

04:07:12 asciilifeform: -and- 'readline' !?

04:07:28 decimation: hehe lock away your women

04:08:37 decimation: 'gnu software': parsers written by derps who can't write parsers

04:15:49 decimation: asciilifeform: what kind of bell must be rung to convince people that 'reviewing' the monstrous pile of C code (on the C-machine) modern software uses is not just difficult - it's impossible

04:16:07 *: asciilifeform tried.

04:16:21 asciilifeform: what kind of bell must be rung to wake the dead?

04:16:39 asciilifeform: or at least to reanimate 'vegetables' ?

04:17:44 decimation: I've been reading derpage in the media about how much money amazon & google make of the wintel/linux stack and how little they obviously look at the details of what they are building

04:18:27 decimation: inevitably there's going to be some usg 'dept of c-machine hygiene'

04:20:17 asciilifeform: that'd be... microshit.

04:20:55 decimation: the vegetable analogy is incomplete - the 'vegetable' could get up and walk, or at least move its fingers, at any time

04:21:12 decimation: patient chooses to wallow in its vegetableness instead

04:21:24 asciilifeform: the semiconductor folks could decide to produce non-braindamaged circuits also at any time.

04:38:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 211 @ 0.12399059 = 26.162 BTC [-] {14}

04:40:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 21 @ 0.12117142 = 2.5446 BTC [-] {3}

04:41:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 1091 @ 0.00410419 = 4.4777 BTC [-] {8}

04:50:38 ben_vulpes: novelty, ohio

04:50:40 ben_vulpes: my sides

04:50:54 ben_vulpes: chetty: you wrote bash bug?!

04:51:01 ben_vulpes: :P

04:51:42 ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> for one thing, you can't really shower with one. << gold necklace?

04:54:36 The20YearIRCloud: Novelty?

04:55:26 ben_vulpes: mthreat: i creamed myself over the l39

04:56:20 ben_vulpes: but this pauper's gotta think smaller, like a 47: http://www.the47.com/

04:57:07 ben_vulpes: The20YearIRCloud: http://tiswww.case.edu/php/chet/

04:57:16 ben_vulpes: ;;gettrust themediator

04:57:16 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user ben_vulpes to user themediator: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ben_vulpes&dest=themediator | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=themediator | Rated since: never

04:57:55 The20YearIRCloud: and who's chet?

04:58:32 ben_vulpes: well do some reading

04:59:06 ben_vulpes: grepping logs for the link in question will illuminate much

04:59:18 ben_vulpes: decimation: saauce?

05:01:17 mthreat: ben_vulpes: I had assumed the l-39 went for around $1M, but they actually go for $175k up to $500k depending on avionics, refurbishing, etc

05:02:45 mthreat: ben_vulpes: but operating cost... burns up to 160 gallons per hour. i think jet fuel is $5/gallon.

05:03:11 mthreat: actually it probably burns more than 160gallons/hour at full throttle

05:03:21 mthreat: http://www.warbirdalley.com/articles/l39pr.htm

05:03:22 assbot: Warbird Alley: L-39 Albatros Pilot Report

05:03:27 ben_vulpes: ;;calc 160*5

05:03:27 gribble: 800

05:03:39 mthreat: YEP

05:03:43 mthreat: oops

05:04:15 dub: thats a lot cheaper than your avg superyacht

05:05:01 The20YearIRCloud: mthreat - they're not expensive birds

05:05:12 The20YearIRCloud: I saw one that sold for something along the lines of $250k in full military gear

05:05:36 The20YearIRCloud: err wait, not the l39

05:05:48 mthreat: top speed about 500 mph

05:05:49 The20YearIRCloud: I'm thinking A-37 dragonfly

05:05:58 The20YearIRCloud: (One of my more favorite aircraft)

05:06:39 ben_vulpes: wait mph and aircraft

05:06:45 ben_vulpes: my tiny retarded brain just assploded

05:07:39 The20YearIRCloud: Some americans use mph, especially dealing with ww2 era aircraft

05:07:50 mthreat: mach 0.8

05:20:46 ben_vulpes: might actually get somewhere for a grand in that thing

06:17:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24450 @ 0.00074524 = 18.2211 BTC [-] {4}

08:07:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.12223078 = 1.589 BTC [+] {3}

08:14:38 cazalla: don't go chasing buterin waterfalls.. (this one might be a tsunami)

08:21:28 penguirker: New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/breakout-gaming-release-bro-coin-details/

08:28:39 []bot: Bet placed: 10 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $300 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1020/ Odds: 83(Y):17(N) by coin, 67(Y):33(N) by weight. Total bet: 25.48725376 BTC. Current weight: 32,634.

08:33:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 49 @ 0.01036353 = 0.5078 BTC [-]

08:38:14 cazalla: 150k + coins traded yet bitcoin days destroyed has not budged

08:41:00 punkman: ;;ticker

08:41:03 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 316.0, Best ask: 316.43, Bid-ask spread: 0.43000, Last trade: 316.44, 24 hour volume: 33120.41662483, 24 hour low: 315.01, 24 hour high: 354.75, 24 hour vwap: 335.779786497

08:52:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 50 @ 0.01036083 = 0.518 BTC [-] {3}

09:09:50 []bot: Bet placed: 5 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $300 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1020/ Odds: 86(Y):14(N) by coin, 71(Y):29(N) by weight. Total bet: 30.48725376 BTC. Current weight: 32,599.

09:29:26 []bot: Bet placed: 10 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment" http://bitbet.us/bet/786/ Odds: 29(Y):71(N) by coin, 47(Y):53(N) by weight. Total bet: 3827.19563163 BTC. Current weight: 39,533.

09:37:16 Apocalyptic: <cazalla> [10:38:13] 150k + coins traded yet bitcoin days destroyed has not budged // may be explained by the fact that it's almost all shorts if you're referring to bitfinex

09:47:13 thickasthieves: yeagh it cant go much lomger

09:47:29 thickasthieves: it can go much deeper though

09:51:20 Apocalyptic: you're still short tat ?

09:51:34 thickasthieves: yep

09:51:45 thickasthieves: been covering slowly on way down

09:52:10 thickasthieves: it was so fukn hard holding shorts in 330s

09:52:31 thickasthieves: but i'm learning

09:52:45 thickasthieves: to regulate my trigger finger

09:52:58 Apocalyptic: heh, I know that feeling

09:54:32 thickasthieves: i'm trying to figure out the current total btc swaps out on bfxdata.com

09:54:41 thickasthieves: but anything i see is hours old

09:56:30 thickasthieves: yet the USD swap data is current

09:58:56 []bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $300 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1020/ Odds: 86(Y):14(N) by coin, 72(Y):28(N) by weight. Total bet: 31.98725376 BTC. Current weight: 32,557.

09:59:00 []bot: Bet placed: 3 BTC for No on "BTC Difficulty over 41Bn before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1050/ Odds: 22(Y):78(N) by coin, 38(Y):62(N) by weight. Total bet: 26.15235445 BTC. Current weight: 22,119.

10:04:55 thickasthieves: also note there are like $20m in margin longs on bfx

10:05:08 thickasthieves: would be more fun to see them choked out

10:05:22 Apocalyptic: that's decent

10:05:23 jurov: http://shortlogic.tumblr.com/post/99014759324/reddits-crappy-ultimatum << reddit is soon history

10:05:24 assbot: Short logic (Reddits crappy ultimatum to remote workers and offices)

10:09:54 thickasthieves: i wonder if bfx is throttling swap data on purpose

10:46:31 []bot: Bet placed: 4 BTC for No on "BTC Difficulty over 41Bn before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1050/ Odds: 19(Y):81(N) by coin, 35(Y):65(N) by weight. Total bet: 30.15235445 BTC. Current weight: 21,915.

10:50:00 thickasthieves: ;;estimate

10:50:01 gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 34759474311.6 based on data since last change | 37121113125.0 based on data for last three days

10:50:10 thickasthieves: ;;bcstats

10:50:12 gribble: Current Blocks: 323941 | Current Difficulty: 3.466142592397694E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 324575 | Next Difficulty In: 634 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 20 hours, 13 minutes, and 5 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 34759474311.6 | Estimated Percent Change: 0.28287

10:50:22 thickasthieves: looks like it's turning back up

10:50:41 []bot: Bet placed: 2 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $300 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1020/ Odds: 87(Y):13(N) by coin, 73(Y):27(N) by weight. Total bet: 33.98725376 BTC. Current weight: 32,513.

10:51:45 thickasthieves: time to test 300

10:52:46 punkman: ;;ticker

10:52:48 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 307.71, Best ask: 307.77, Bid-ask spread: 0.06000, Last trade: 307.77, 24 hour volume: 34788.90694890, 24 hour low: 307.11, 24 hour high: 353.87, 24 hour vwap: 333.475147624

11:00:34 thickasthieves: btce at 299

11:00:48 thickasthieves: here comes the despair!

11:02:21 []bot: Bet placed: 4 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $300 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1020/ Odds: 89(Y):11(N) by coin, 76(Y):24(N) by weight. Total bet: 37.98725376 BTC. Current weight: 32,503.

11:02:42 cazalla: ooh, just in time whoever that was

11:04:53 []bot: Bet placed: 7 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $300 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1020/ Odds: 90(Y):10(N) by coin, 79(Y):21(N) by weight. Total bet: 44.98725376 BTC. Current weight: 32,501.

11:24:47 []bot: Bet placed: 3 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $300 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1020/ Odds: 92(Y):8(N) by coin, 81(Y):19(N) by weight. Total bet: 51.38725376 BTC. Current weight: 32,484.

11:24:54 []bot: Bet placed: 1.9 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $300 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1020/ Odds: 92(Y):8(N) by coin, 81(Y):19(N) by weight. Total bet: 51.38725376 BTC. Current weight: 32,484.

11:40:11 []bot: Bet placed: 5 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $300 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1020/ Odds: 92(Y):8(N) by coin, 82(Y):18(N) by weight. Total bet: 56.38725376 BTC. Current weight: 32,471.

11:45:51 thickasthieves: livin on the edge

11:54:40 kakobrekla: muh

12:37:31 decimation: ;;ticker

12:37:33 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 307.28, Best ask: 307.98, Bid-ask spread: 0.70000, Last trade: 307.98, 24 hour volume: 38748.62497416, 24 hour low: 301.0, 24 hour high: 351.17, 24 hour vwap: 328.963391846

12:40:31 decimation: ben_vulpes: saauce for what?

12:49:29 decimation: asciilifeform: there is an amusing side story to that little two-wheeled bot - it's called the 'recon scout'. Turns out that it was made for the us military, who don't give a shit about civilian usg frequency allocation rules. When they wanted to sell it in the us, they had to get a special note from Stalin because it was actually operating ... in the middle of the ham band: http://www.arrl.org/news/fcc-allows-robotic-device-in-

12:49:33 decimation: amateur-band

12:49:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.13899672 = 0.695 BTC [+] {4}

12:49:59 decimation: hams were pissed, asked fcc to reconsider - fcc reconsidered and said "yeah you can operate your bot in the ham band"

12:50:38 decimation: Later they opted to operate more bots in the ham band: http://www.arrl.org/news/fcc-denies-arrl-em-petition-em-to-deny-reconrobotics-licenses-but-limits-devices-to-100-khz-bandwidt

12:50:40 assbot: FCC Denies ARRL Petition to Deny ReconRobotics Licenses, But Limits Devices to 100 kHz Bandwidth

12:52:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44144 @ 0.0007494 = 33.0815 BTC [+] {4}

13:00:00 decimation: more bots http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/navy-guided-unmanned-patrol-boats-make-debut-25972159

13:00:01 assbot: Navy: Self-Guided Unmanned Patrol Boats Make Debut - ABC News

13:10:14 dub: neat

13:15:01 dub: was pondering a personal defense bot a few years ago, like a smart shuriken you can deploy a bunch of when under attack form ninjas and zombies

13:16:47 dub: and system where an airliner falling out of teh sky ejects its passengers to be individually caught by bot swarm

13:16:56 decimation: dub: lol

13:17:31 decimation: if one would go to the trouble of engineering an ejection system, why not add a parachute for each seat?

13:18:19 dub: or encase them in a protective foam/substance

13:18:40 jurov: ;;seen davout

13:18:40 gribble: davout was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 days, 3 hours, 50 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: <davout> oui et toi-même ?

13:20:10 jurov: ;;later tell davout you really don't need help with x.eur MM bot? i don't even remmeber when there were any asks

13:20:10 gribble: The operation succeeded.

13:20:20 jurov: !d x.eur

13:21:18 jurov: $depth m x.eur

13:21:18 empyex: jurov: [X.EUR] Bids: 1875 @ 0.00120000 2000 @ 0.00100000

13:21:19 empyex: jurov: [X.EUR] Asks:

13:24:33 jurov: i feel like no one is looking to mpex and nobody notices stuff anymore

13:26:39 jurov: why?

13:28:14 jurov: i'm then reluctant to invest time and effort into improving coinbr, too

13:29:15 thickasthieves: because mpex isnt providing anything people want to play with intraday

13:30:45 jurov: havecock does?

13:31:25 thickasthieves: not in any way significant to people with money

13:32:09 thickasthieves: hl just has the mining thing, AM holdouts, and RENT IPOz

13:32:27 jurov: ikr. but it at leas it does not have such desolate looking order books

13:32:45 thickasthieves: mpex investors dont like taking losses

13:32:50 thickasthieves: :)

13:34:08 thickasthieves: would love if mpex or an mpex property offered any sort of price instrument that would allow moving volume from other exchanges

13:34:51 thickasthieves: itd also be nice if the pricing werent abstracted in some fukt way that i need a spreadsheet just to know values

13:35:12 pankkake: jurov: 0.00020000 * 44`166 for F.MPIF, isn't it a market maker opportunity?

13:35:29 thickasthieves: jurov has limits on him

13:35:35 thickasthieves: can only trade in 1% or sumth

13:35:48 jurov: no

13:35:52 jurov: !mpif

13:35:53 assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021861 B (Total: 478.05 B). Delta: -2.17 B. I don't know those people, and they don't look very friendly.

13:36:11 jurov: ;;calc 0.00021861/1.01

13:36:11 gribble: 0.000216445544554

13:36:19 jurov: ;;calc 0.00021861*1.01

13:36:20 gribble: 0.0002207961

13:36:28 jurov: i shall trade outside of this

13:36:47 pankkake: isn't it well outside?

13:37:38 jurov: oh i see

13:38:44 jurov: but i want a bit bigger margin

13:40:05 jurov: don't want to end up with whole position on F.MPIF side

13:40:50 pankkake: here is 0.000195.

13:41:38 assbot: [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 26200 @ 0.00019809 = 5.19 BTC {3}

13:41:55 jurov: oh they're liquidating as i'm writing...lemme see

13:46:43 assbot: [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 17966 @ 0.000195 = 3.5034 BTC [-]

13:46:55 jurov: done. i'll now prolly pester mircea about buyback

13:51:05 mats_cd03: ;;ticker

13:51:06 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 312.4, Best ask: 312.96, Bid-ask spread: 0.56000, Last trade: 313.39, 24 hour volume: 38702.20084884, 24 hour low: 301.0, 24 hour high: 350.0, 24 hour vwap: 328.371621193

13:51:36 mats_cd03: it rises

13:52:16 thickasthieves: not for long

13:52:26 thickasthieves: although.. https://www.bitstamp.net/market/order_book/

13:52:35 thickasthieves: nice walls

14:10:46 thickasthieves: http://recode.net/2014/10/04/nfl-bans-beats-headphones-on-camera/

14:10:46 assbot: NFL Bans Beats Headphones On Camera (Updated) | Re/code

14:10:56 thickasthieves: this, after the league made a deal with Bose

14:11:03 thickasthieves: they

14:13:11 mircea_popescu: %d

14:13:13 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 305176.15 in 536 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -83.75

14:15:32 thickasthieves: 5000btc wall at 300$, someone really doesnt wanna lose the bitbet

14:16:34 mircea_popescu: !up jdany

14:16:37 mircea_popescu: lol

14:16:39 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

14:16:41 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 313.82, Best ask: 314.08, Bid-ask spread: 0.26000, Last trade: 314.07, 24 hour volume: 39060.58237394, 24 hour low: 301.0, 24 hour high: 350.0, 24 hour vwap: 326.651978774

14:16:52 thickasthieves: hey jdany

14:17:30 mircea_popescu: the risk when one tries to artificially depress a security is that he'll end up selling most of his load at the lowest price and then have to repay the borrow at the high price.

14:17:32 thickasthieves: jdany messaged me on bitcointalk asking why i left, i explained there was no reason to stay and that here is better

14:17:40 mircea_popescu: it's how the cornering of the silver market worked

14:17:47 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves ah i see

14:17:49 mircea_popescu: !up jdany_

14:17:50 mircea_popescu: welcome.

14:18:46 mircea_popescu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_Thursday << this being the tardpedia discussion on the topic.

14:18:47 assbot: Silver Thursday - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

14:19:14 mircea_popescu: i will take it very personally if the actual financial collapse of the us is brought about by a manic attempt to chase losses in their failed attempts to maninpulate the btc price.

14:20:28 jdany_: Hey!

14:20:45 jdany_: Thanks Tat

14:23:32 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

14:23:34 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 313.01, Best ask: 314.61, Bid-ask spread: 1.60000, Last trade: 314.61, 24 hour volume: 38969.08891951, 24 hour low: 301.0, 24 hour high: 350.0, 24 hour vwap: 326.626642982

14:23:52 mircea_popescu: a .5% spread heh.

14:24:05 jdany_: I was wondering where some of the more active names were going...

14:24:18 mircea_popescu: so now you found it.

14:24:47 mircea_popescu: the log should provide ample reading material to catch up.

14:25:05 mircea_popescu: also there's a dedicated search function

14:25:09 mircea_popescu: !s tardstalk

14:25:10 assbot: 30 results for 'tardstalk' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=tardstalk

14:25:17 mircea_popescu: can be used in pm with assbot as well.

14:25:27 jdany_: Yep. So, do you guys stay active in Havelock - or are there other securities that I don't have exposure to

14:26:05 thickasthieves: none of us use havelock anymore really

14:26:22 thickasthieves: and the only securities woth consideration are probably on mpex

14:26:29 mircea_popescu: i think The20YearIRCloud uses it

14:26:33 thickasthieves: oh yeha

14:26:39 thickasthieves: RENT might be legit

14:26:53 jdany_: Sour on Asicminer?

14:26:58 thickasthieves: although he did just lose a bunch of fiat for his fiat business

14:27:05 thickasthieves: me?

14:27:15 thickasthieves: i was sour for a long time on AM

14:27:29 jdany_: I was speaking generally

14:27:31 thickasthieves: board didnt seem capable of fixing so i left

14:27:49 jdany_: but, I assume you got shafted at some point with AM

14:28:11 thickasthieves: depends what you mean? did i sell all shares at absolute top, no?

14:28:15 thickasthieves: no.

14:28:38 thickasthieves: did i get skimmed for 90 or so shares lost in transfers, yes

14:29:06 mats_cd03: ouch

14:29:38 The20YearIRCloud: HASH is doing well too

14:29:40 jdany_: Everything with you happened very abruptly.

14:29:46 mircea_popescu: their retarded "we'll issue shares, but on glbse ; we'll keep the shares, but on our own ah-doc registry" was perhaps the most braindamaged piece of financial management ever displayed to the public.

14:30:01 mircea_popescu: it marginally beats even the wall street derps doing gauss copulae on excel spreadsheets

14:30:09 mats_cd03: http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/10/peter-thiel-wants-to-make-hackers-into-heroes.html lol

14:30:10 assbot: Peter Thiel Wants to Make Hackers Into Heroes -- NYMag

14:30:13 jdany_: I figured you get fed up, dumped and bailed

14:30:36 thickasthieves: mp yeha it got to a point where there were too many unique open cases and balancing the transfer books was impossible

14:30:50 mircea_popescu: "Name a science fiction movie in the last 25 years that shows technology in a positive light,? says Peter Thiel << anything made in asia ?

14:30:55 dub: tbh 'they' have continue to display a good level of brain damage

14:31:04 The20YearIRCloud: The matrix

14:31:24 The20YearIRCloud: It showed technology in a positive light, humans were finally unable to destroy gaia

14:31:26 jurov: transcendence or how it was called was rather positive about tech

14:31:51 thickasthieves: jdany_ leaving AM (and all bitcoin securities dealings) was something that took a few mos to prep and execute

14:32:00 mircea_popescu: matrix ? nah. the us anti-intellectualism fully at work : technology as the magic of the evil, desocialised, psychopathic dr evil.

14:32:01 thickasthieves: Neo dying just expedited it

14:32:42 mircea_popescu: "Tall and thin with close-cropped hair and ageless skin" what the motherfucking shit is wrong with these people.

14:32:50 mircea_popescu: who thinks anyone cares to hear about how thiel's skin is ?!

14:33:07 mircea_popescu: who reads nymag, nysexaddicts ?!

14:34:01 mircea_popescu: is this some sort of braindamged feminism run amok where they imagine that if they "microagress" the patriarchy by discussing thiel as if he were some made-to-fuck-once-and-discard popstarlet something's gonna happen ?

14:34:09 mircea_popescu: i mean, something other than chuckles at their expense ?

14:39:05 mats_cd03: elite worship is common

14:40:46 mircea_popescu: not in female terms.

14:41:04 mircea_popescu: his skin could be hellraiser's for all the difference it'd make to his life.

14:41:08 mircea_popescu: because he's not a woman.

14:43:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34000 @ 0.00074602 = 25.3647 BTC [-] {2}

14:44:20 kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> the risk when one tries to artificially depress a security is that he'll end up selling most of his load at the lowest price and then have to repay the borrow at the high price. < way easier to default

14:45:06 mircea_popescu: if they end up defaulting because misjudged their strength and got head bit off by bitcoin i'll have the most satisfying wank conceivable by man

14:45:18 mircea_popescu: i'll prolly have a special lotion designed for the experience.

14:46:53 kakobrekla: meh such default has zero weight

14:48:27 kakobrekla: (would love to be wrong here)

14:48:56 mircea_popescu: ohohohoho notrly. while the abject selfdebasing of the highschool priss is exactly of zero practical weight, as there are more pleasant girls and better trained, so one'd never seriously use her for a direct purpose,

14:49:02 mircea_popescu: nevertheless in amusement terms it's quite something.

14:49:09 mircea_popescu: all meta, kako. all meta.

14:50:18 TheNewDeal: ;;market buy 10000

14:50:19 gribble: Bitstamp | A market order to buy 10000 bitcoins right now would take 3875629.8332 USD and would take the last price up to 491.5800 USD, resulting in an average price of 387.5630 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0915 seconds

14:50:36 TheNewDeal: not bad

14:50:48 The20YearIRCloud: dang

14:53:35 jurov: what can usg default on? does it have any bitcoin-denominated debt yet?

14:54:03 mircea_popescu: yes.

14:54:20 mircea_popescu: the beauty of it all is that it does.

14:55:07 jurov: what one?

14:55:28 mircea_popescu: what one ?!

15:00:11 jurov: who borrowed btc to them?

15:01:17 thickasthieves: <+mircea_popescu> his skin could be hellraiser's for all the difference it'd make to his life. /// maybe the guy just had particularly distracting skin, probly not, but ive seen such before

15:01:34 jurov: *lent

15:01:42 TheNewDeal: jurov china, then they banned it ;)

15:02:39 jurov: not sure if serious..link?

15:02:50 mircea_popescu: jurov i am serious, it is not public knowledge either.

15:02:59 thickasthieves: i'm just waiting for bitcoin to ban china

15:03:20 mircea_popescu: you know, just like the $ amt someone paid for their supposed stash is not public knowledge.

15:03:24 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves ain't happening.

15:03:26 mircea_popescu: and wh ywould it ?

15:03:54 thickasthieves: mostly joking

15:04:13 thickasthieves: but i do worry for people using their exchanges

15:04:33 mircea_popescu: eh, they're chinese

15:04:37 mircea_popescu: they're used to being scammed.

15:04:37 thickasthieves: i guess exchange worry is universal

15:05:30 *: jurov digests the information

15:05:48 thickasthieves: diff is spiking now

15:05:51 thickasthieves: we got trolled

15:05:54 thickasthieves: ;;estimate

15:05:56 gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 34976843352.0 based on data since last change | 37790971411.8 based on data for last three days

15:07:23 TheNewDeal: ;;nethash

15:07:24 gribble: 270522438.341

15:18:17 The20YearIRCloud: Well this is nice, i didn't realize the controller for my kids quadcopter was a 2.4ghz device. It jams our home's wifi signal

15:18:53 kakobrekla: try switching channels

15:19:32 The20YearIRCloud: the router i believe switches channels automatically when there's a signal blocking it, i think the helicopter thing is just so leaky that it prevents the wifi sinal

15:19:42 The20YearIRCloud: Granted it's an easy fix - don't fly the helicopter inside

15:20:53 TheNewDeal: 2.4gz doesnt penetrate walls?

15:21:27 TheNewDeal: I was going to say, tell him to fly it by your least favorite neighbor

15:23:13 mircea_popescu: hm this shouldn't really be possible, surprised they allowed the import

15:23:24 The20YearIRCloud: It does,but when we fly it outside there isn't any wifi interuption it sems

15:23:42 The20YearIRCloud: FCC doesn't actively monitor small devices

15:23:55 mircea_popescu: they still gotta get a cert to be allowed to import it.

15:24:04 mircea_popescu: i guess someone somewhere be rubberstampin'.

15:25:25 TheNewDeal: can I bring this on an airplane and fuck with people?

15:25:33 TheNewDeal: or is that asking for trouble

15:31:08 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal not really in your best interest. if you manage to mess with the plane's comms you might even crash it

15:31:24 mats_cd03: you're unlikely to get caught

15:32:08 mircea_popescu: yes well sometimes success is its own punishment.

15:32:29 mircea_popescu: justusranvier hey, can i get you to contribute an article to qntra ?

15:36:28 mircea_popescu: ;;seen wywialm

15:36:28 gribble: wywialm was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 2 days, 20 hours, 43 minutes, and 19 seconds ago: <wywialm> Oh, yeah. In this we certainly agree

15:37:22 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell wywialm say when you're about.

15:37:22 gribble: The operation succeeded.

15:37:28 mircea_popescu: ;;seen princessnell

15:37:29 gribble: princessnell was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 days, 0 hours, 46 minutes, and 42 seconds ago: <princessnell> hey gang

15:37:34 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell princessnell say when you're about.

15:37:35 gribble: The operation succeeded.

15:46:56 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: -and- 'readline' !? << lulzy huh

15:47:51 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: chetty: you wrote bash bug?! <<< she'd better not have lol

15:49:59 mircea_popescu: but anyway, chet.ramey@case.edu aka 64EA74AB duly recorded.

15:51:20 mircea_popescu: mthreat: ben_vulpes: I had assumed the l-39 went for around $1M, but they actually go for $175k up to $500k depending on avionics, refurbishing, etc <<< the opcost is the bigger problem there

15:51:40 mircea_popescu: a, right, your next line :)

15:51:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6774 @ 0.00074611 = 5.0541 BTC [+]

15:52:03 mats_cd03: heh

15:52:51 TheNewDeal: ;;ticker

15:52:52 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 282.0, Best ask: 284.94, Bid-ask spread: 2.94000, Last trade: 284.94, 24 hour volume: 48575.62049890, 24 hour low: 275.0, 24 hour high: 346.75, 24 hour vwap: 320.382021226

15:52:54 mircea_popescu: cazalla: 150k + coins traded yet bitcoin days destroyed has not budged << lulzy.

15:56:40 mircea_popescu: decimation: Later they opted to operate more bots in the ham band <<< seems a reasonable solution, really. emergency ham band requisition. what'd you have them do ?

15:57:04 kakobrekla: 30k btc ask @ 300 on stamp O_o

15:57:12 mircea_popescu: dub: and system where an airliner falling out of teh sky ejects its passengers to be individually caught by bot swarm <<< from what i recall this is actually under commercial development.

15:58:27 mircea_popescu: jurov: i feel like no one is looking to mpex and nobody notices stuff anymore << no, i noticed, left the guy a later tell.

15:58:30 TheNewDeal: damn 30k?

15:59:31 TheNewDeal: I would love to see some people take a few chomps at that

15:59:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 4.80694984 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 418 satoshi per share

16:00:57 kakobrekla: ;;market buy 10000

16:00:58 gribble: Bitstamp | A market order to buy 10000 bitcoins right now would take 2998710.2763 USD and would take the last price up to 300.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 299.8710 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 33.2073 seconds

16:01:07 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves: would love if mpex or an mpex property offered any sort of price instrument that would allow moving volume from other exchanges << specifically ?

16:01:14 kakobrekla: ;;market buy 30000

16:01:15 gribble: Bitstamp | A market order to buy 30000 bitcoins right now would take 9007328.7238 USD and would take the last price up to 323.3100 USD, resulting in an average price of 300.2443 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 50.2833 seconds

16:01:33 mircea_popescu: whoa pankkake is back ?!

16:01:35 mircea_popescu: where you been yo.

16:02:20 mircea_popescu: jurov: don't want to end up with whole position on F.MPIF side << why not ? i'll just unwind it. the latest report actually says so, didja read it ?

16:02:45 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

16:02:46 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 291.15, Best ask: 292.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.85000, Last trade: 292.0, 24 hour volume: 49356.65947835, 24 hour low: 275.0, 24 hour high: 346.75, 24 hour vwap: 318.060741075

16:02:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.11972744 BTC to 15`436 shares, 7254 satoshi per share

16:04:06 TheNewDeal: very surprised litecoin isn't taking an accelerated nosedive

16:05:06 mircea_popescu: what holders remain are well shaken out.

16:05:47 mircea_popescu: not so in bitcoin. getting rid of the tardstalk/reddit/etc "community" and burning a bunch of "experts" is a fucking godsend, if they'll just stfu about it and move on to their next cool thing that'd be great.

16:07:31 TheNewDeal: Can't wait to see how quickly tim drapers coins get munched on bitstamp

16:08:37 mircea_popescu: !up R7R7

16:09:02 danielpbarron: https://twitter.com/brianchoffman/status/518794820178169857

16:09:04 assbot: /openbazaar How migrate from beta 1 to beta 2 ?

16:09:53 TomServo: ;;bc,stats

16:09:56 gribble: Current Blocks: 323984 | Current Difficulty: 3.466142592397694E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 324575 | Next Difficulty In: 591 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 5 hours, 56 minutes, and 2 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35100796468.5 | Estimated Percent Change: 1.26761

16:15:12 TheNewDeal: Krugman trying to drive a few pageviews http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/10/04/the-long-cryptocon/?_php=true&_type=blogs&pagewanted=all&_r=0

16:18:30 mircea_popescu: lmao

16:24:39 ben_vulpes: decimation: for the headbash author

16:25:26 mircea_popescu: !up knite

16:27:22 PeterL: mircea_popescu: have you found anything interesting to do with the huge amounts of cash held by MPIF?

16:27:39 mircea_popescu: yeah.

16:28:04 PeterL: should be a report out soon?

16:28:07 mircea_popescu: HODL!!!1

16:28:09 []bot: Bet created: "Bitcoin to drop under $260 before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1054/

16:35:29 ben_vulpes: ;;ticker

16:35:30 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 284.0, Best ask: 284.24, Bid-ask spread: 0.24000, Last trade: 284.0, 24 hour volume: 50063.36157078, 24 hour low: 275.0, 24 hour high: 346.75, 24 hour vwap: 315.736945727

16:37:08 []bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $260 before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1054/ Odds: 95(Y):5(N) by coin, 95(Y):5(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,925.

16:40:06 TheNewDeal: and as quickly as the wall appeared, its gone

16:41:07 asciilifeform: ham band requisition << this works both ways, you know.

16:41:37 asciilifeform: and ham transmitter is typically far louder than that pocket-sized remote (see police film)

16:42:12 asciilifeform: so surveillance bot, turns out, is cured with easy pill...

16:45:56 TheNewDeal: is huobi volume considered legitimate, or were they included on the bucket-shop scam list?

16:47:28 The20YearIRCloud: RENT's october dividend keeps looking better and better

16:47:42 kakobrekla: ^^

16:49:11 kakobrekla: whats next, up ninjaspamgun?

16:52:08 TheNewDeal: i've heard he's got a new entrepreneurship

16:55:45 kakobrekla: jurov 'singing' bash wasnt a typo :)

16:56:45 jurov: ohmy. remove me from the bash admin before i make bigger mess

16:57:01 kakobrekla: lol its fine

16:57:36 kakobrekla: its prolly not a good idea that all the filtering is left up to me

16:58:54 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what i mean is : if you had a stash of 1mn units using x hardcoded band,

16:59:04 mircea_popescu: wouldn't you think it more expedient to relocate some random sporadic ham stuff ?

16:59:06 mircea_popescu: cheaper.

16:59:35 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal no data atm.

17:00:48 jurov: mircea_popescu: withdrawals pls

17:02:53 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-usg-wasted-another-hundred-million-dollars-it-previously-stole-from-average-hard-working-us-citizens-nobody-cares/ << silkroad bet resolved and other considerations

17:02:55 assbot: The USG wasted another hundred million dollars it previously stole from average, hard working US citizens. Nobody cares. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

17:03:03 mircea_popescu: jurov on it.

17:05:57 TheNewDeal: alas, resolution

17:06:40 *: kakobrekla opens an umbrella and prepares for shitstorm

17:11:21 bounce: ham bands work best when they're the same world-wide. also, ham operators are remarkably useful in SHTF situations, and otherwise are very little bother since they tend to know their stuff. so no, it's neither smart nor expedient to try and relocate them. much easier to not be assholes and play nice from the start.

17:12:53 mircea_popescu: aha

17:13:00 *: mircea_popescu knows little bout haming.

17:13:19 mircea_popescu: but yes, the worldwide problem is the silver bullet here.

17:21:26 penguirker: New blog post: http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-usg-wasted-another-hundred-million-dollars-it-previously-stole-from-average-hard-working-us-citizens-nobody-cares/

17:32:31 mircea_popescu: $s

17:32:35 mircea_popescu: $conference

17:32:35 empyex: mircea_popescu: Next conference starts in 6 months and 12 days. Estimated cost today: 4.23973791 BTC (Details: http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-conference-third-edition/ )

17:33:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1550 @ 0.00074495 = 1.1547 BTC [-]

17:33:44 TheNewDeal: price isn't pegged in bitcoin?

17:35:16 mircea_popescu: nope. gives people an oppporunity to have fun

17:37:08 Dimsler: lol

17:37:11 Dimsler: begged in bitcoin

17:37:40 Dimsler: should be able to make this

17:37:47 Dimsler: argeninta in the spring is gorgeous

17:38:07 mircea_popescu: its pretty great all year through

17:44:05 TheNewDeal: pretty humid it looks like? https://weatherspark.com/averages/33323/Buenos-Aires-Capital-Federal-Argentina

17:44:06 assbot: Average Weather For Buenos Aires, Argentina - WeatherSpark

17:45:36 mircea_popescu: i think about half of that comes in the form of extremely intense rain

17:45:43 bounce: http://gulfnews.com/news/region/iran/daesh-document-disclose-plans-to-seize-iran-s-nuclear-secrets-1.1394455 -- too bad it doesn't tell why they think putin would go along with what they want

17:45:43 assbot: Daesh document disclose plans to seize Irans nuclear secrets | GulfNews.com

17:45:45 mircea_popescu: which you know...

17:45:48 mircea_popescu: !up Guest46405

17:46:05 mircea_popescu: bounce putin doesn't understand how the world works.

17:46:45 Apocalyptic: he understood how Russia worked though

17:47:01 bounce: he doesn't? I see him make much better decisions (from his perspective) than either the EU or the US (from their respective perspectives)

17:47:12 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic it's a reference to this idiotic comment by some us derp or other

17:47:24 mircea_popescu: ;;google "putin doesn't understand how the world works"

17:47:25 gribble: Russian View: Why Putin Is Not Impressed | Wolf Street: http://wolfstreet.com/2014/07/21/russian-point-of-view-new-sanctions-wont-impress-putin/; Why America doesn't understand Putin - The Washington Post: http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/why-america-doesnt-understand-putin/2014/03/14/81bc1cd6-a9f4-11e3-b61e-8051b8b52d06_story.html; Has Putin pulled military back from (1 more message)

17:47:28 Apocalyptic: oh

17:47:55 mircea_popescu: o look at that. the derp in question was obama

17:47:58 mircea_popescu: whodda guessed.

17:48:18 mircea_popescu: you know who understands how the world works ? obama lmao. putin doesn't.

17:48:38 mircea_popescu: every single time they've met in the field the russian feed the kenyan's ass to him, but hey.

17:48:56 mircea_popescu: why let facts and scores get in the way of things. besides, scoring is raycist

17:53:38 TheNewDeal: ;;ticker

17:53:39 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 295.51, Best ask: 296.12, Bid-ask spread: 0.61000, Last trade: 295.5, 24 hour volume: 49890.61529527, 24 hour low: 275.0, 24 hour high: 342.15, 24 hour vwap: 313.35706663

17:59:14 danielpbarron: one of the OpenBazaar guys said he'd send someone in here; that's what the tweet I linked to was about

17:59:39 danielpbarron: they are trying to make some sort of decentralized reputation system

18:03:03 danielpbarron: heard about them on freetalklive, a radio show I am beginning to suspect is run by government plants

18:03:25 Dimsler: lol

18:06:06 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron cool.

18:07:13 mircea_popescu: heh that 260 dollar btc bet guy's gonna be pretty pissed

18:07:47 TheNewDeal: I have a feeling that sub 300 is going to feel like a dream in about 1 week

18:18:01 Dimsler: lol

18:18:17 Dimsler: like the jackolantern market peaks in mid november

18:21:19 danielpbarron: ;;rate ninjashogun 1 http://danielpbarron.com/ninjashogun.log.txt

18:21:20 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user ninjashogun has changed from -1 to 1.

18:22:10 hanbot: mircea_popescu re your latest, didja read the comments on that krugman abortion? no wonder he's all bitter and loath to detail, guy's own readergroup is throwing tomatoes by now.

18:25:14 jurov: danielpbarron did he brie you?

18:25:20 jurov: *bribe

18:25:54 jurov: otherwise i don't see there anything upworthy

18:28:58 mircea_popescu: hanbot that's actually interesting huh.

18:29:24 mircea_popescu: guy works as a stupid sifter that's not really dragging up that much stupid.

18:29:55 mircea_popescu: jurov bribe like, with money ?!

18:30:41 jurov: in that log it is not said how

18:31:01 jurov: maybe ninja gives good bjs, whatcha know

18:31:28 hanbot: mircea_popescu it's like he's become his own LCD

18:31:33 kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> jurov bribe like, with money ?! < with the coins he got from daniel in the first place

18:32:30 mircea_popescu: i gotta say btw, the pipe is like... the greatest invention ever.

18:32:58 mircea_popescu: i dunno how one is supposed to have an os without a pipe. ipads, winboxes, the whole shebang. how ?

18:35:04 hanbot: you use an h2o| and stop caring about getting anything done?

18:36:02 jurov: install an app for every little thing you want to do. oh and pay for the privilege.

18:37:24 kakobrekla: see now

18:37:25 kakobrekla: http://dpaste.com/3B6Z890.txt

18:37:29 danielpbarron: jurov, my rating doesn't grant voice at the moment

18:37:32 kakobrekla: what have you done!

18:37:46 TheNewDeal: he's pestering me as well

18:38:11 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you hafta add a jukebox to assbot.

18:38:23 mircea_popescu: guy puts 1 bitcent in, gets a !up from assbot.

18:38:29 mircea_popescu: anyone in chan can still !down of course.

18:38:31 asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: learn to use your killfile. i did - when first met with mr. spam.

18:38:46 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: recall, i suggested this.

18:38:52 asciilifeform: (with higher price, if i recall)

18:38:52 mircea_popescu: yup

18:39:13 mircea_popescu: ideally it'd work on the powers of two. first time a week, 1 bitcent, then 2 4 8 etc

18:39:20 mircea_popescu: resets weekly

18:39:54 jurov: that would work better if voice could be resold

18:40:01 jurov: like btc gem :)

18:40:07 mircea_popescu: roflmao

18:40:11 mircea_popescu: one ponzi at a time plz.

18:40:47 mircea_popescu: "it is unclear if bitcoin has any economic value", says nobel prize laureate.

18:40:57 TheNewDeal: what a troll

18:40:58 mircea_popescu: because totally, the fact that we can actually do the above now is not economical or valuable.

18:43:08 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: usg wasted another hundred million... << if they can't power the waterfall with debt, they'll power it with plundered btc (as being done now, at least as suggested by the publicly known facts.)

18:43:37 mircea_popescu: yes, but the plundering has a larger cost to them than to us.

18:43:44 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can't even imagine who would be dumb enough to lend btc to usg, considering the gold obligations affair

18:43:53 mircea_popescu: because they have to keep selling us the proceeds of their selftheft below market.

18:44:07 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform everyone accounting in dollars.

18:44:19 decimation: re: ham bands << the point is that the 'law' already gave those frequencies to the hams, except when it would inconvenience a company to redesign the product

18:44:22 mircea_popescu: it's actually a better deal in dollars than to hold on btc.

18:44:32 decimation: although if you read the fine print, the police bot is technical secondary to the ham

18:44:35 asciilifeform: when usg sets off a bomb in iraqanistan, the metal, trotyl, guidance circuits - are also 'sold' and 'below market' also.

18:44:40 mircea_popescu: as the obligation to repay btc held on the usg is actually going to increase somewhat faster than the btc itself

18:44:41 decimation: so it would actually be legal to blast it off the air

18:44:41 asciilifeform: do they give a damn?

18:44:54 mircea_popescu: but there's no bomb here.

18:44:55 asciilifeform: decimation: i pointed this out earlier, yes

18:45:03 mircea_popescu: when they give the tanks to isis, they give them.

18:45:05 mircea_popescu: that's the model.

18:45:32 *: asciilifeform gets it

18:45:53 asciilifeform: and i suspect usg also gets it. they're banking on just one hope, killing btc somehow through stampede

18:46:11 mircea_popescu: it's one of those win-win/lose-lose scenarios. basically they're cutting their herds to drown us in blood

18:46:17 mircea_popescu: easier to sit on a ledge than to replace the cattle.

18:47:24 mircea_popescu: i doubt hte usg gets anything at this point. just a lengthy succession of narrow "experts" who keep passing data cross a "telephone wire", while the meanings of the terms used change on every pass.

18:48:20 decimation: it would be interesting to try to trace the btc in the sr stash

18:48:31 asciilifeform: decimation: it was washed in the most elementary way

18:48:39 TheNewDeal: I looked up the stashes today

18:48:40 asciilifeform: decimation: i.e. traded for a slightly smaller quantity of 'clean'

18:48:48 asciilifeform: decimation: in meatspace.

18:49:12 decimation: heh the treasury dept. using otc?

18:49:17 bounce: apparently it was mr. reid who thought putin doesn't understand how the world works: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CREC-2014-03-27/html/CREC-2014-03-27-pt1-PgS1781-6.htm

18:49:17 assbot: Congressional Record, Volume 160 Issue 49 (Thursday, March 27, 2014)

18:50:19 decimation: well, someone is 'renting' all those miners for over the expected return

18:50:27 decimation: there's alot of btc that wants to be washed

18:50:43 mircea_popescu: bounce oh was it ?

18:50:48 mircea_popescu: tyvm for doing the digging.

18:52:51 decimation: personally I find it far more likely that some big bank/'investment house' is doing usg's bidding in exchange for future favors from usg

18:53:09 mircea_popescu: that's the allegation.

18:53:16 mircea_popescu: hence "agents"

18:53:32 asciilifeform: in what way are these folks meaningfully separate entities from usg?

18:53:33 decimation: yes, usg is still responsible.

18:53:50 decimation: many in the us are easily confused on this point

18:54:01 decimation: they think they bank with some local bank, not the fed/fdic/whatever

18:54:06 mircea_popescu: qui facit per alium facit per se and all that.

18:54:39 TheNewDeal: all the biggest banks are in bed with the fed anyways

18:55:09 decimation: TheNewDeal: that's the point, thus the usg is responsible for their actions, as mp just wrote

18:55:10 bounce: pffft. they /are/ the fed. it's not actually an usg institution.

18:55:21 mircea_popescu: in a sense, thinking about it... the usg problems come down to a poor implementation of the pipe.

18:55:32 mircea_popescu: that thing's a lot more fundamental than usually given credit for

18:55:44 decimation: 'the pipe'?

18:55:57 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the pipe - is everything. (hence my crackpot pushing of dataflow as replacement for von neumann computation, etc)

18:56:17 bounce: lay down the pipe and open a window. slowly!

18:56:19 asciilifeform: von neumann's basic problem is a terrifically bad implementation of the ordinary pipe concept.

18:56:19 mircea_popescu: decimation http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-10-2014#859729 and by sheer coincidence http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-10-2014#859774

18:56:21 assbot: Logged on 05-10-2014 18:32:30; mircea_popescu: i gotta say btw, the pipe is like... the greatest invention ever.

18:56:22 assbot: Logged on 05-10-2014 18:47:24; mircea_popescu: i doubt hte usg gets anything at this point. just a lengthy succession of narrow "experts" who keep passing data cross a "telephone wire", while the meanings of the terms used change on every pass.

18:56:26 mircea_popescu: these actually merge.

18:56:31 penguirker: New blog post: http://contravex.com/2014/10/05/finding-your-life-purpose-isnt-your-path-to-improving-the-world-survival-is/

18:56:39 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i am starting to comprehend this.

18:57:17 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: all of my heresies are in fact in one strand. this is how i ended up 'drinking the spittoon.'

18:57:35 asciilifeform: !s the spittoon

18:57:35 assbot: 3 results for 'the spittoon' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=the+spittoon

18:57:42 mircea_popescu: in fact, if you get the pipe right, it doesn't even actually matter if you get anything else right

18:57:48 asciilifeform: yes.

18:57:52 mircea_popescu: in this perspective, the blockchain is the major point of bitcoin

18:58:09 mircea_popescu: which happens to be correct, and peripherally a point i've oft made, say how "bitcoin is not the derps"

18:58:10 decimation: I was thinking about this last night. How can you be certain that your hvac control pipe is not connected to the self-destruct thermite bomb pipe?

18:58:55 mircea_popescu: decimation hm?

18:59:04 decimation: if they are both connected to the same von neumann machine (or network of such machines) you can't be certain

18:59:22 decimation: in the sense that you can check that they are physically unconnected

18:59:25 decimation: with your own eyes

18:59:27 mircea_popescu: i think these live on different abstraction levels

18:59:43 asciilifeform: difficult to work with naked eye on microelectronics.

18:59:54 asciilifeform: of whatever kind.

19:00:53 decimation: it's difficult to inspect the usg/fed's actions with the naked eye

19:01:07 mircea_popescu: depends whose.

19:01:25 mircea_popescu: macro events are visible, and the forest-for-trees problem is something one can approach with training and talent

19:01:29 mircea_popescu: micro events however are invisible.

19:02:17 decimation: I suspect parts of usg/its agents are working against each other

19:04:00 TheNewDeal: ;;ticker

19:04:01 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 310.08, Best ask: 314.48, Bid-ask spread: 4.40000, Last trade: 314.48, 24 hour volume: 53465.06436516, 24 hour low: 275.0, 24 hour high: 339.43, 24 hour vwap: 308.337573196

19:06:54 mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/1054/bitcoin-to-drop-under-260-before-november/

19:06:54 assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $260 before November :: 1.04 B (95%) on Yes, 0.06 B (5%) on No | closing in 1 week 1 day| weight: 98`674 (100`000 to 1)

19:06:58 mircea_popescu: i guess this is a hot bet now ?

19:07:01 decimation: re: pipes http://rt.com/news/191132-belgium-build-beer-pipe/ "An underground pipeline carrying 5,700 liters of beer an hour will be built in Belgium’s historic city of Bruges. A family-owned brewery will pump beer direct to a bottling plant in the suburbs to cut the number of trucks on ancient cobbled streets."

19:07:18 mircea_popescu: pipes as in beer!

19:07:18 TheNewDeal: so does a new beer just flush out the old?

19:07:42 TheNewDeal: would be interesting to taste the inbetween state

19:07:59 mircea_popescu: i imagine if that thing's in use for a few centuries the bugs living in the pipe will be pretty wow.

19:08:13 mthreat: my friend owns beer.net. maybe it'll be worth more now!

19:08:20 mircea_popescu: as it gives motility a major incentive

19:09:01 *: asciilifeform was greatly surprised to learn that one can buy nitric acid on 'amazon' and similar.

19:09:13 decimation: I suspect they would have to flush the beer pipe regularly

19:09:17 *: asciilifeform thought it was verb0t3n by order of tehFuhrer

19:09:38 TheNewDeal: might find a couple street bums trapped in there too

19:09:40 joecool: asciilifeform: is it eligible for prime delivery?

19:09:44 asciilifeform: nope

19:11:11 decimation: oh noes, terrorists are going to be HNO3 off of amazon to make TNT?

19:11:33 TheNewDeal: maybe some heavy water as well

19:11:55 asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: heavy water comes for free out of your faucet.

19:12:00 asciilifeform: (all you need to do is separate...)

19:13:36 mircea_popescu: well so does nitric acid

19:17:37 TheNewDeal: http://dpaste.com/1RG8SQP

19:17:38 assbot: dpaste: 1RG8SQP: spamgun, by tnd

19:17:57 asciilifeform: lulz

19:20:19 pete_dushenski: https://twitter.com/AliTahmizian/status/518840043616878592

19:20:20 assbot: GRAPHIC: Islamic State fighter w/ head of female Kurdish fighter after entering Kobani. US strikes did 0 to halt them http://t.co/IfdbZEXpkZ

19:20:49 asciilifeform: lol, usa uniform!

19:21:13 mircea_popescu: gotta say i lub the kurdish chicks

19:22:18 mircea_popescu: i'd be very curious to see first hand if the us based, usg fed "feminists" in the us would actually pick a rifle and a picket, when it comes to it.

19:22:38 mircea_popescu: at the rate things are going, this curiosity looks likely to be satisfied.

19:24:00 asciilifeform: how many will afford pointy stick, much less rifle.

19:24:34 asciilifeform: or is the hypothetical one involving a 20th c. style army, which equips paupers ?

19:26:41 mircea_popescu: kurdistan is in the 20th century now ?

19:26:51 asciilifeform: re: usa

19:27:07 mircea_popescu: bitches better be resourceful, what is this $1200 a month retainer talk ?

19:28:23 asciilifeform: http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Gentoo_Without_systemd << unrelated but very useful

19:28:24 assbot: Gentoo Without systemd - Gentoo Wiki

19:29:47 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: i will take it very personally if the actual financial collapse of the us is brought about by a manic attempt to chase losses in their failed attempts to maninpulate the btc price. << lol! those causes.

19:30:01 mircea_popescu: myeah.

19:30:29 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

19:30:30 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 309.11, Best ask: 309.4, Bid-ask spread: 0.29000, Last trade: 308.83, 24 hour volume: 55108.92934427, 24 hour low: 275.0, 24 hour high: 339.43, 24 hour vwap: 308.259223839

19:30:34 mircea_popescu: aww.

19:30:43 mircea_popescu: ;;google but thanks for all the fishes

19:30:43 gribble: So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/So_Long,_and_Thanks_for_All_the_Fish; So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish Quotes by Douglas Adams: https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/3078120-so-long-and-thanks-for-all-the-fish; So Long and Thanks for all the Fish - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojydNb3Lrrs

19:37:27 decimation: asciilifeform: thanks for that gentoo -systemd tip. it would be handy to make a systemd-free linux box

19:38:40 pete_dushenski: ;;nethash

19:38:40 gribble: 279970409.457

19:38:48 pete_dushenski: decent.

19:53:33 pete_dushenski: https://twitter.com/sassenvanelsloo/status/518831715062910976

19:53:35 assbot: Capitalism does not work? Well.... http://t.co/LmBncfiu9t

19:54:13 []bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $260 before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1054/ Odds: 50(Y):50(N) by coin, 50(Y):50(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.1 BTC. Current weight: 98,278.

19:54:34 pete_dushenski: and with that, i'm off to enjoy the last of this beautiful weather!

20:11:20 TheNewDeal: another wall, eh

20:20:01 Dimsler: will you stop with the play by play market updates

20:20:09 TheNewDeal: will do

20:27:38 decimation: ;;ticker

20:27:39 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 307.69, Best ask: 308.92, Bid-ask spread: 1.23000, Last trade: 308.69, 24 hour volume: 56551.21451831, 24 hour low: 275.0, 24 hour high: 339.43, 24 hour vwap: 307.191985978

20:30:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30000 @ 0.00074411 = 22.3233 BTC [-] {2}

20:40:08 decimation: ben_vulpes: saauce is easy to find, here's one http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/when-the-bourne-shell-found-its-identity.html

20:40:08 assbot: An Interview With Chet Ramey – Maintainer Of Bash Shell - nixCraft

20:40:51 decimation: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/26/technology/security-experts-expect-shellshock-software-bug-to-be-significant.html "Mr. Ramey said in an interview on Thursday that he believed he inadvertently introduced Shellshock in a new Bash feature in 1992, though he could not be sure because back then he was not keeping comprehensive logs. "

20:40:53 assbot: Log In - The New York Times

20:49:54 decimation: he has a blog too http://chetramey.blogspot.com/ "An outspoken progressive in a conservative community."

20:49:54 assbot: Ramblings

20:50:42 decimation: note to young 'progressive' 'open source' coders: you have swallowed the kool-aid. If you actually want to make a difference and not end up like Mr. Ramey, please focus on the pipes, from the silicon up.

20:54:36 Shakespeare: <+mircea_popescu> thickasthieves: would love if mpex or an mpex property offered any sort of price instrument that would allow moving volume from other exchanges << specifically ? /// well, i'll start with the moon: just buy bitfinex and offer the whole shebang! otherwise, just would be nice to trade somewhere more private, transparent and trustworthy. The product could be options,

20:54:36 Shakespeare: futures, and margin and leverage would be nice too.

20:56:34 Shakespeare: yay on the SR auction bet resolution!

21:00:08 Shakespeare: i knew a ham radio enthusiast, he's a free mason now

21:01:24 los_pantalones: Shakespeare what kind of size would you trade?

21:01:28 los_pantalones: if you had those facilities ?

21:01:46 TheNewDeal: size of option?

21:01:54 decimation: Shakespeare: ham radio has its share of whackos

21:02:12 los_pantalones: how many btc / day

21:04:17 Shakespeare: <+mircea_popescu> guy puts 1 bitcent in, gets a !up from assbot. // might be on to something there

21:04:33 Shakespeare: i bet it attracts more chatters than not

21:05:06 Shakespeare: good way to offset the chill factor from !up

21:07:04 kakobrekla: 1 satoshi per char for all so everyone will shut the fuck up!

21:08:18 bounce: hmno. initially I'd say as long as it isn't the only way. but you'd get peddlers expecting to be heard for their money. you know, query floods, rageddos, etc.

21:11:14 Shakespeare: so we !down them

21:11:37 Shakespeare: every !down puts 10satoshi debt on their wot

21:12:21 Shakespeare: 3 !downs and your get assbot negrate

21:12:28 bounce: think about it. suppose you're neither l1 or l2, and you stick money in it. you start your valuable because costly pitch. then someone puts the !down on you.

21:12:29 kakobrekla: uppers dont have wot

21:12:42 Shakespeare: yes they do

21:12:49 Shakespeare: thats also a requirment

21:12:52 Shakespeare: to self up

21:13:03 Shakespeare: the satoshi getsthem the posrate

21:13:08 mircea_popescu: buy bitfinex ?! no ty.

21:13:24 mircea_popescu: i wouldn't take it for free, as it happens.

21:13:25 Shakespeare: also, i'm not saying we'd have to change

21:13:34 Shakespeare: we could still up people whenever we want

21:13:49 bounce: you're fired up because you want to pitch, and you get rebuffed. gone investment, gone good monies! rage! and it goes downhill from there. -- there's an implied promise with this idea that I'm not happy with.

21:14:02 Shakespeare: mp, at least that gives you an idea of where i stand though

21:14:08 Shakespeare: i know you wouldnt buy them

21:14:21 mircea_popescu: uh... you stand on bitfinex ? lol k, so you buy it.

21:14:22 Shakespeare: but i'm saying plz replace them

21:14:34 mircea_popescu: what else should i replace ?

21:14:38 dub: holy wall

21:14:43 Shakespeare: everything that suz

21:14:43 Shakespeare: x

21:14:45 bounce: what, a retail exchange?

21:14:48 mircea_popescu: maybe i should replace obama, but in such a way as to make the usg work the way you want it to ?

21:14:48 Shakespeare: it's your job!

21:14:51 mircea_popescu: things work the way they work.

21:14:55 decimation: yeah do that

21:15:00 mircea_popescu: change so that's the way you want them to work.

21:15:05 mircea_popescu: i ain't helping you.

21:15:31 Shakespeare: tss

21:15:32 bounce: then replace obamaman for the social justice angle

21:15:48 Shakespeare: i aint asking for the world, you used to offer option after all

21:15:55 kakobrekla: draper wall

21:16:08 Shakespeare: options&

21:16:16 mircea_popescu: mpex options never worked as this popularly delusional "engine to turn derpage into monyz/social relevance"

21:16:22 Shakespeare: sry i'm not sober, went to my first football game

21:16:29 mircea_popescu: that a bunch of sites promise to do this has everything to do with the promising and nothing to do with the delivering.

21:16:58 mircea_popescu: that the derps in question will take something that "maybe" will deliver them the impossible, rather than something that makes it plain it ain't happening is entirely their problem.

21:17:17 Shakespeare: what are you on about? how is trading BTC against USD about social relevance and derpage?

21:17:19 mircea_popescu: im not in the business of making sites which "maybe" will make random joe blow rich.

21:17:27 mircea_popescu: bitfinex is not trading anything.

21:17:38 Shakespeare: i'm not talking about bfx

21:17:50 mircea_popescu: then im confused.

21:17:53 Shakespeare: the premise here was wishing mpex had a way to trade against USD

21:18:22 Shakespeare: so i wouldnt have to play where i play

21:18:35 mircea_popescu: serious problems with usd delivery.

21:18:35 kakobrekla: you can trade otc with optional delivery

21:18:39 mircea_popescu: unfortunately.

21:19:50 los_pantalones: hence my inquiry into how much you would trade?

21:20:10 TheNewDeal: how about bitbet?

21:20:51 bounce: what, options on bitbet outcomes?

21:20:54 Shakespeare: well that's private los_pantalones

21:21:06 TheNewDeal: no. options on bitstamp prices, etc

21:21:09 Shakespeare: i shouldnt have to say

21:21:29 los_pantalones: it's not worth my time if it would be <100 / week

21:21:29 mircea_popescu: o.O

21:21:29 kakobrekla: i have in the past dumped coins to sturles and left fiat waiting with him for some months before i decided to repurchase/get fiat

21:21:36 los_pantalones: but otherwise i can offer you those facilities

21:21:59 mircea_popescu: Shakespeare dude you're something else. "o someone should build a car with wings" "Would you buy one if built ?" "i shouldn't have to say"

21:22:05 mircea_popescu: you're spending too much time with redditards.

21:22:16 Shakespeare: well in mpex i didnt have to sat

21:22:20 Shakespeare: i paid entry fee

21:22:32 Shakespeare: that was my qualification

21:22:34 decimation: !t m x.eur

21:22:34 assbot: [MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.0026347 / 0.0026347 / 0.0026347 (459 shares, 1.21 BTC)

21:22:37 mircea_popescu: los_pantalones so charge the man an entry fee.

21:22:53 los_pantalones: how much is mpex these days ?

21:23:00 mircea_popescu: still 30.

21:23:08 TheNewDeal: basically what an option is, an adequately priced entry fee

21:23:14 mircea_popescu: decimation oddly the fully delivered euro future never got very much volumne, historically.

21:23:27 kakobrekla: euro market is dead

21:23:31 mircea_popescu: i dunno if the requirements to take delivery were too cumbersome or wtf exactly.

21:23:36 decimation: seems like euros are good enough for anyone wanting to trade fiat

21:25:07 mircea_popescu: but anyway, yeah, i guess the bitbet bets are probably the cheapest/most open avenue at the moment.

21:25:25 decimation: obviously the dude is unfamiliar with engineering stuff. it's quite customary to ask for development costs up front, on the assumption that several will be bought

21:25:56 justusranvier: mircea_popescu: What's gntra?

21:26:32 mircea_popescu: justusranvier qntra. http://qntra.net/

21:26:33 assbot: Qntra.net - The #1 Bitcoin Site For News, Views & Commentary

21:26:37 mircea_popescu: this maybe coindesk killer.

21:26:55 kakobrekla: cuntra?

21:27:08 mircea_popescu: pretty much

21:27:41 Shakespeare: the qntra blaw should be called uuddlrlrbastart

21:27:53 mircea_popescu: "It would be interesting, that is, to ask Coulter about the reflex of lying that?s now sutured into the modern conservative movement?s DNA?and to get her candid assessment of why conservative leaders treat their constituents like suckers."

21:27:58 Shakespeare: blawg*

21:28:08 mircea_popescu: http://www.thebaffler.com/salvos/the-long-con << dude the libtard periphery press is awesome

21:28:10 assbot: The Long Con - The Baffler

21:28:32 justusranvier: I have a long backlog of articles I want to write

21:28:41 decimation: maybe they can sign up Mr. Ramey as a guest author

21:29:07 mircea_popescu: justusranvier so hammer one out an' send it over.

21:29:34 justusranvier: I mostly do editorials, not news

21:30:08 TheNewDeal: drapers trying his damndest to get his coin back http://bitbet.us/bet/1054/bitcoin-to-drop-under-260-before-november/#b3

21:30:08 assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $260 before November :: 1.04 B (50%) on Yes, 1.06 B (50%) on No | closing in 1 week 1 day| weight: 97`477 (100`000 to 1)

21:30:21 mircea_popescu: justusranvier that was the idea, give it a little editorial anchor

21:30:44 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal seems bout even neh ?

21:32:13 decimation: I find it hilarious that the lefties in the us keep raising the fear that 'evil republicans will raise money to buy elections' while failing to notice that the lefties receive 'in-kind' contributions from us media worth $bns

21:32:14 TheNewDeal: draper put down 1 on yes, trying to recoup with wall

21:33:23 mircea_popescu: decimation that is not accountable!!!1

21:33:46 justusranvier: I'll see what I can do. Won't be tonight because I've got to go producea couple videos

21:33:49 decimation: yeah basically it's 'oh noes they might manipulate the masses like we do!'

21:33:55 mircea_popescu: but anyway, the entire "thief screaming thief" and "consumate liar discussing other's dna-sutured bla bla" is rather amusing

21:34:13 mircea_popescu: justusranvier doesn't have to be tonight. wait, you produce video too ?!

21:34:49 justusranvier: We've started to publish talks from our Bitcoin meetups to YouTube

21:35:01 justusranvier: by "produce" I mean I set up the Hangout on Air

21:35:48 justusranvier: Tonight is bitstien giving a #bitcoin-otc and GPG contracts tutorial, followed by yamamushi demoing his "filesharing over bitmessage" app

21:35:55 mircea_popescu: aha

21:36:15 decimation: apparently nixcon actually considered denying the "RF broadcast licenses" of political enemies: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/373218/following-trail-nixon-blazed-victor-davis-hanson -- last time I heard someone slightly right-wing come up with a winning strategy

21:36:15 assbot: Following the Trail Nixon Blazed | National Review Online

21:36:51 decimation: nixcon is a hilarious typo

21:37:04 justusranvier: tomorrow is the daniel krawisz reviewing Nick Szebo's "Shelling Out" as a money origin theory

21:38:28 Shakespeare: no complaints about the SR bet resolution it seems

21:38:38 mircea_popescu: decimation there's an entire conspiracy theory built on the premise that it was really because of the rf thing that the "left" "set him up"

21:38:40 Shakespeare: though coindesk is SEOing http://bitbet.us/bet/951/silk-road-coin-auction-extravaganza/#c4105

21:38:41 assbot: BitBet - Silk Road Coin Auction Extravaganza :: 2.15 B (29%) on Yes, 5.3 B (71%) on No | closed 3 months 1 week ago

21:39:02 mircea_popescu: much like the more aged libtards today are rewriting the story of clinton's lauhgable gullibiility/idiocy in terms of "hysteria"

21:39:06 decimation: they certainly had means, motive and opportunity

21:39:27 mircea_popescu: because yea, totally, not being able to tell the nation to go fuck itself and mind its own business on live tv is everyone else's fault but the president's.

21:39:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.14639999 = 1.0248 BTC [+] {3}

21:39:49 mircea_popescu: !up veox

21:40:07 decimation: heh yeah, the biggest weakness of the presidency is an inability to admit that it sucks

21:43:29 Shakespeare: so, would a huge ask order like this be allowed in US markets, or do they have rules about it?

21:43:38 bounce: apparently darpa doesn't want just model checking, rather executable encryption that is not encryption: http://www.networkworld.com/article/2691617/ https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&id=a303af332a90b1e84fdb91d7dd382396

21:43:39 assbot: DARPA delving into the black art of super secure software obfuscation | Network World

21:43:40 assbot: Opportunities - Federal Business Opportunities: Opportunities

21:43:51 decimation: you can't even move more than $10k in the us without usg permission

21:44:14 Shakespeare: well on stock exchanges you certainly can

21:44:25 decimation: sure, inside the account

21:44:35 Shakespeare: i'm just wondering if they have rules about manipulative orders

21:44:37 TheNewDeal: just try to get your hands on it

21:44:40 bounce: without inviting them to sue you on the spot, you mean. you don't get permission, you incriminate yourself and they may or may not persecute you for it.

21:44:40 decimation: try moving $50k from your brokerage to your checking account in less than a few days

21:45:03 Shakespeare: i moved $30k a few weeks ago, they just made me respond to a message

21:45:18 decimation: it's true you can move it quickly with a wire

21:45:31 decimation: but I guarantee a notice went to the bank's regulator

21:45:32 mircea_popescu: Shakespeare the rule is you can't put up orders you don't intend to go through.

21:45:44 TheNewDeal: the question is interesting though. What would the rules be on creating a wall that wasnt executed

21:46:12 mircea_popescu: other than that, you can put up whatever walls you wish.

21:46:13 Shakespeare: decimation, no notice is needed, exchange files 1099

21:47:15 decimation: http://www.fincen.gov/news_room/aml_history.html Bank Secrecy Act (1970) Required banks to (1) report cash transactions over $10,000 using the Currency Transaction Report; (2) properly identify persons conducting transactions; and (3) maintain a paper trail by keeping appropriate records of financial transactions

21:47:16 assbot: History of Anti-Money Laundering Laws

21:47:36 decimation: whether a 'wire' counts as cash is up to usg of course

21:48:26 Shakespeare: yeah either way, it's not money you can hide

21:48:40 Shakespeare: exchange reports your income anywya

21:49:00 Shakespeare: i bet coinbase & circle will be this way

21:49:30 penguirker: New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/is-this-3rd-time-lucky-for-andreas-m-antonopoulos/

21:49:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1000 @ 0.00124361 = 1.2436 BTC [-] {7}

21:49:51 decimation: yeah in general dealing in dollars means dealing with usg

21:49:54 mircea_popescu: no "will" involved.

21:50:26 decimation: usd is the original altcoin, afterall

21:51:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 500 @ 0.0018875 = 0.9438 BTC [-] {15}

22:28:36 cazalla: mircea_popescu, no forum posts to report and prob won't be going forward seeing this qntra thing has legs

22:29:08 mircea_popescu: righ

22:29:09 mircea_popescu: t

22:29:24 mircea_popescu: "central to the right-wing appeal for generations: that liberalism is a species of madness"

22:29:47 mircea_popescu: dude they've got it i swear. that's exactly what the problem is with libertards. their preferred ideology is a species of madness.

22:30:22 mircea_popescu: !up blast

22:36:18 mircea_popescu: !up xor-freenet

22:37:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45813 @ 0.00074302 = 34.04 BTC [-] {3}

22:58:52 cazalla: well, that guy from ccn responded

22:59:18 cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/10/cryptocoinsnews-is-anything-but/#comment-4

22:59:19 assbot: CryptoCoinsNews Is Anything But News

23:24:55 oglafbot: http://oglaf.com/chauncey/

23:24:56 assbot: Chauncey, Earl of Gloom

23:49:41 penguirker: New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/silk-road-lawyers-challenge-justice-department-leaky-captcha-theory/

23:50:10 BingoBoingo: cazalla: Yeah I was looking for a color that made the hyperlink blue header look good. Solving the Header problem may be more productive than the experiment of cycling all of the background colors