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00:00:13 asciilifeform: the maniacal fuhrer position is, afaik, open at the moment

00:00:21 asciilifeform: but was filled in the past (e.g., pythagoras)

00:01:08 pete_dushenski: probably one in a generation/century/millenium type of thing

00:01:44 asciilifeform: http://genealogy.math.ndsu.nodak.edu

00:01:44 assbot: The Mathematics Genealogy Project - Welcome!

00:01:49 asciilifeform: ^ behold and quiver.

00:02:19 asciilifeform: (spoiler: pretty much everyone who is known to matter, is in leibniz, gauss, etc. 'wot.')

00:02:36 thestringpuller: if sim city has taught me anything: cut taxes to 0, make factories everywhere and have them pay the bills

00:05:15 *: asciilifeform l0lz at serenissima cult essay, where he is listed as 'expert'

00:05:39 pete_dushenski: so jurov, how do i transfer my s.qntra to coinbr? id by incoming btc address?

00:05:54 jurov: pete, just id here and pm me your acct

00:06:20 pete_dushenski: ;;ident

00:06:20 gribble: Nick 'pete_dushenski', with hostmask 'pete_dushenski!~pete_dush@unaffiliated/pete-dushenski/x-8158685', is identified as user 'pete_dushenski', with GPG key id 165749929F9A6BDD, key fingerprint E6625CC14638C4CA404694E9165749929F9A6BDD, and bitcoin address None

00:07:03 jurov: not like someone will hijack your irc just to steal qntra crumbs

00:07:36 pete_dushenski: today's btc pizza crumbs are tomorrow's empire!

00:07:38 ben_vulpes: everyone loves a live fire test

00:08:56 asciilifeform: google usenet search dead?!

00:09:23 asciilifeform: old posts load, but no way afaik to find them now.

00:09:48 asciilifeform: i suppose this was inevitable. the moldbug generation wants to run for u.s. office...

00:09:57 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform you weren't supposed to read that!

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00:10:04 BingoBoingo: !b 4

00:10:07 pete_dushenski: seekrit expert is best expert

00:10:39 pete_dushenski: lol i meant the cult expert bit. a well

00:14:27 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: for some reason saying no is harder in -assets. << cult!

00:15:46 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> the maniacal fuhrer position is, afaik, open at the moment << was shockley's transistor a cult ?

00:16:00 mircea_popescu: incidentally, one of the most cultish cults were the ancient order of pythagoreans

00:16:13 mircea_popescu: even had a convention to blame it all on satoshi.

00:16:13 asciilifeform: mentioned for this reason.

00:16:19 asciilifeform: sqrt(2) !

00:16:24 mircea_popescu: shit you said that already. nm.

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00:16:34 pete_dushenski: !b 5

00:18:02 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> (spoiler: pretty much everyone who is known to matter, is in leibniz, gauss, etc. 'wot.') << in this sense, the hungarian number = crude wot.

00:18:09 asciilifeform: aha.

00:19:12 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski "you can never say only say true things" eh ?

00:19:50 mircea_popescu: jurov apparently he wants to tattoo it on his body too.

00:19:59 jurov: yea i heard it

00:19:59 mircea_popescu: something something magic packets something something internet funbutts.

00:20:25 asciilifeform: re: maths wot << it is important to understand why this happens.

00:20:39 ben_vulpes: spoilsports and haters, all of you

00:21:03 asciilifeform: even the successful crackpots (at least, the ones publicly known about) were never more than a few steps away from a 'trunk line' wot mentor.

00:21:07 mircea_popescu: question for the group :

00:21:38 asciilifeform: not that this is any kind of gurantee. s. ramanujan is a tragic figure for a reason.

00:21:57 mircea_popescu: if everyone gets that tattooed, say on their butt, is the b-a more like a) a cult with weird body mod overtones ; b) a gaggle of ditzy teenaged girls (and therefore, a buncha fags) ; c) none of the above ?

00:22:32 *: asciilifeform sizes up for 'spoilsports and haters, all of you' tatoo

00:22:45 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu well, that's embarassing...

00:22:56 mircea_popescu: not that many penises around long enough for that. maybe if in chinese script ?

00:23:19 mircea_popescu: end up with "dogsons of broken soup bowl" or something.

00:23:23 asciilifeform: microdot.

00:23:35 pete_dushenski: qr code

00:23:53 pete_dushenski: or base58 hash

00:23:53 mircea_popescu: pubic qr codes, with porn in them

00:23:56 mircea_popescu: that's happening.

00:24:27 mircea_popescu: <thestringpuller> if sim city has taught me anything: cut taxes to 0 << srsly, you too ?!

00:24:31 asciilifeform: at the risk of bringing everyone back to childhood msdos 'hello world': what's the smallest bitwise recognizable porn?

00:24:33 asciilifeform: any encoding.

00:24:45 mircea_popescu: ( . ) ( . )

00:24:45 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> if everyone gets that tattooed, say on their butt, is the b-a more like a) a cult with weird body mod overtones ; b) a gaggle of ditzy teenaged girls (and therefore, a buncha fags) ; c) none of the above ? < b

00:24:58 BingoBoingo: P

00:24:59 asciilifeform: 8=>

00:25:07 mircea_popescu: that's not long enough to be porn

00:25:09 BingoBoingo: 69

00:25:14 mircea_popescu: also it's spelled 8==D

00:25:30 asciilifeform: nope, that's a sapper's spade.

00:25:36 mircea_popescu: my point exactly.

00:25:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00072836 = 10.197 BTC [-]

00:25:58 BingoBoingo: Gotta dig out all of those panty mines

00:26:11 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo owns a sapper spade?

00:26:24 asciilifeform: there's an american firm, iirc, that makes passable copies of the classic ru one

00:26:35 mircea_popescu: summary of pete_dushenski last piece : "cult member casually examines the possibility of being in a cult, comes back negative."

00:26:36 pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2014/10/20/software-doesnt-fail-socialism-does/#comment-4498 << saf is on a roll atm. loving these comments

00:26:37 assbot: Software Doesn’t Fail. Socialism Does. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski

00:26:58 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu ayup.

00:27:14 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Have two poor quality "trenching tools" have a strong preference for actual shovels though.

00:27:33 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: avoid the ones with folding handles.

00:27:43 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu that means it's still working, neh?

00:27:53 mircea_popescu: lol fishy smell

00:27:59 BingoBoingo: Oh, how I've learned that, worthless for unburying potatoes

00:28:02 mircea_popescu: tuna doesn't smell like fish!

00:28:09 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: actual shovel, like actual computer, is not field-portable.

00:28:09 PeterL: mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: look at Detroit: high taxes, city is crumbling - Detroit Suburbs: lower taxes, flourishing

00:28:17 pete_dushenski: tuna smells like moose?

00:28:24 mircea_popescu: PeterL you don't understand how the world works!

00:28:36 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski tuna doesn't smell. everything else does.

00:28:46 PeterL: enlighten me?

00:29:10 asciilifeform: amines.

00:29:20 mircea_popescu: PeterL it's an expression, referencing the case when putin handed obimbo's butt to him for the nth time and the english propaganda yelled "putin doesn't understand how the world works!"

00:29:32 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: actual shovel, like actual computer, is not field-portable. << Depends on the size of field, and on whether or not portage enhancers are available

00:29:54 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu well if i came back positive in my assessment, i'd send myself down the post-partum path. wasn't really in the mood for that.

00:30:05 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: knapsack.

00:30:31 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski better question for your next one : is being a libtard a cult ? how about dating, is that a cult ?

00:30:35 mircea_popescu: plenty of cults abound!

00:30:58 asciilifeform: 'is it still a cult if the comet is parked in orbit and the magical juice will take you there?'

00:31:21 asciilifeform: ;;google treason never prospers for the reason

00:31:21 gribble: Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason? Why if it prosper ...: http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/j/johnharrin117920.html; Treason - Wikiquote: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Treason; John Harington (inventor) - Wikiquote: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/John_Harington_(inventor)

00:31:34 mircea_popescu: PeterL use example, dude tries to open a door by bashing his head against it. bystander "that's not how you open doors" other bystander to first bystander "you don't understand how the world works!"

00:31:46 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu not sure about dating but libtardism, scientism, nationalism... examples are endless

00:31:49 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: knapsack. << When restricted to a knapsack I dunno that digging anything bigger than a hole to bury turds should be a bigger priority than evading the force restricting you to a knapsack

00:32:09 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: man with sapper spade can entrench himself in less than an hour.

00:32:49 mircea_popescu: and dig his own grave in ~2.

00:32:53 jurov: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erd%C5%91s_number << mathematicians' wot

00:32:53 assbot: Erdős number - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

00:33:02 asciilifeform: dig his grave << they usually give you the spade.

00:33:05 mircea_popescu: jurov yeah, "the hungarian number"

00:33:54 BingoBoingo: <jurov> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erd%C5%91s_number << mathematicians' wot << My two math professors in Undergrad were a 3, and a Nope

00:33:54 assbot: Erdős number - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

00:34:14 asciilifeform: what's a 'nope' ? never published at all?

00:34:42 mircea_popescu: http://www.contravex.com/2014/11/04/lets-cut-to-the-chase-is-la-serenissima-a-cult/ quoth pete_dushenski the acolyte :

00:34:43 assbot: Let’s Cut To The Chase, Is La Serenissima A Cult? | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski

00:34:43 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Never published anything co-authored, because he was in a weird niche

00:34:51 mircea_popescu: Then, as always happens when one is freed from the banality of the familiar, I found myself with some spare time during a vacation in Mazatl?n. Then, there, just like that, the pieces began falling into place. I actually sat down to read the #b-a logs and there I saw conversations unfolding before my very eyes that gave context to fraudsters, that gave context to Bitcoin, and that were were so tearfully, blessedly, beaut

00:34:51 mircea_popescu: ifully over my head that I couldn?t read anything else for weeks. As someone always hunting for an intellectually challenge, I?d never seen anything even remotely like #b-a. At once technical, philosophical, political, and outrageous, it was like a gift wrapped for someone else, and yet just for me.

00:35:27 *: asciilifeform has seen 'anything even remotely like #b-a.' but they're all dead.

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00:35:37 BingoBoingo: !b 1

00:35:56 mircea_popescu: i has seen idem, idem.

00:36:07 *: pete_dushenski accepts mircea_popescu's pat on head

00:36:38 pete_dushenski: graciously!

00:36:59 asciilifeform: when do we get on with one of us proving p==np and the others throwing him off a boat?

00:37:03 *: BingoBoingo had in addition to math prof with Erdos of nope, an econ professor with an office in the loft of the campus's old barn

00:37:23 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform stop trying to break things and write me an email.

00:37:25 *: asciilifeform hopes he isn't the only one to get the ref

00:37:58 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform> when do we get on with one of us proving p==np and the others throwing him off a boat? << I have a feeling this is like weaponized bitcoind, if you have it best to keep it concealed

00:38:25 mircea_popescu: "The new Foundation, the new deeds system, a real Bitcoin news site, and more" << only the stuff of the past month gets a mention because the previous stuff is so ingrained by now it's like a skin.

00:38:39 mircea_popescu: typically cultish behaviour.

00:39:26 pete_dushenski: salience!

00:40:01 mircea_popescu: shit fuck piss motherfucker and tits! this bastard called me insane! YOU DARE SAY INSANITY OF OUR PRODUCTIVE INSTITUTION ?!?!?!

00:40:03 mircea_popescu: METEORS!

00:40:19 mircea_popescu: what was that oglaf with "god is on their side" btw ?

00:40:44 BingoBoingo: oglaf needs better indexing

00:41:11 ben_vulpes: <******> as long as there are tools, there will be people using them poorly << i give up

00:41:17 *: pete_dushenski enjoys watching his 3k word epic unfold in real-time

00:41:17 mircea_popescu: http://oglaf.com/assorted-fruits/

00:41:17 assbot: Assorted Fruits of Wrath

00:41:24 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo totally.

00:41:26 ben_vulpes: people cannot be saved form themselves.

00:41:35 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes who said that ?

00:42:10 ben_vulpes: he's not in a logged channel, i'll refrain from sharing his handle.

00:42:18 ben_vulpes: nobody who's ever been in here though.

00:43:15 mircea_popescu: !up girevik

00:43:22 mircea_popescu: ah kk.

00:43:36 mircea_popescu: ima steal it then, to me it sounds like something i'd say.

00:43:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34785 @ 0.00072886 = 25.3534 BTC [+] {2}

00:44:08 ben_vulpes: i bring this elk in tribute

00:44:56 mircea_popescu: "He?s one of the most masterful wielders of words" << you got a ways to go foxy! check out pete's offerings!

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00:45:25 pete_dushenski: !b 2

00:46:24 mircea_popescu: so i was with this chick earlier, her parents had the weird idea of calling her Modesty

00:46:31 mircea_popescu: and she was all "oh mp what a great cock you have!"

00:46:36 mircea_popescu: jus' sayin' for the record.

00:46:59 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You've got a reply http://qntra.net/2014/11/commissioner-mark-wetjen-cftc-would-have-authority-to-bring-enforcement-actions-against/#comment-1353

00:46:59 assbot: Commissioner Mark Wetjen: "CFTC Would Have Authority To Bring Enforcement Actions Against.. | Qntra.net

00:47:17 mircea_popescu: shit comment index at 1.3k already ?

00:47:29 mircea_popescu: if this thing ends up surpassing fraudsters ima be well pissy.

00:47:42 BingoBoingo: Well spam comments... Ham comments at 416

00:48:15 mircea_popescu: i have nfi what that dude's saying.

00:49:22 BingoBoingo: I think maybe it's a spambot that saw a word and forgot to link to Ugg boots or Nike's

00:49:30 BingoBoingo: Or there's a wild markov chain

00:49:55 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski im gonna have this read weekly in the harem, outloud. just ftr.

00:50:57 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu

00:51:07 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu don't twist my words now

00:51:20 pete_dushenski: the point of this wasn't to pump your fucking tires

00:51:30 pete_dushenski: god knows you need that like penguins need more snow

00:51:39 mircea_popescu: ;;google chubby checker

00:51:40 gribble: Chubby Checker - The Official Site: https://www.chubbychecker.com/; Chubby Checker - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chubby_Checker; Chubby Checker - Biography - Singer - Biography.com: http://www.biography.com/people/chubby-checker-9542332

00:51:42 mircea_popescu: !up AdrianoOliveira

00:51:57 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Maybe you need to consider whose ego you stroke, before you go a stroking an ego...

00:52:21 mircea_popescu: the stroking of the ego brings monsters.

00:52:23 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu anyways, i look forward to seeing it acted, off-script, next time i'm in town

00:52:44 mircea_popescu: it's a harem not a bordello yo!

00:52:49 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: if this thing ends up surpassing fraudsters ima be well pissy. << why? ~_~ you technically willed it's existence.

00:53:03 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller i can still be pissy!

00:53:17 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu we obviously have different ideas of how a harim should work ;)

00:53:33 mircea_popescu: lol do tell

00:54:00 *: BingoBoingo wonders if pete_dushenski did his turkish homework yet

00:54:00 jurov: pete, our resident pimp

00:54:32 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu what's to tell? acting, staging, and memorizing are not optional.

00:54:40 pete_dushenski: basic skillz

00:55:07 pete_dushenski: every bit as useful as a sense of humour and a second language

00:55:10 mircea_popescu: actually bellydancing's a basic skill.

00:55:43 mircea_popescu: and rope escape.

00:55:44 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo i won't say my homework's done just yet

00:56:04 pete_dushenski: and swallowing. cyanide or otherwise

00:56:15 mircea_popescu: (you think tying a chick down is easy ? try it sometime! it;s fucking impossible if you're determined not to hurt her)

00:56:30 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu big hands help here

00:56:42 pete_dushenski: you can use one of yours to hold down two of hers

00:56:50 mircea_popescu: i don't mean that part.

00:57:36 mircea_popescu: if you're talking slavegirl, you can just order her to move around as needed. but still it's not trivial.

00:58:06 mircea_popescu: few hours' practice with this will make pretty much any western film involving tying anyone unwatchable.

00:58:34 mircea_popescu: that "put some rope on them, they're imobilized now" convention doesn't really work irl.

00:59:55 pete_dushenski: tie indian to traintracks, etc.

01:00:51 mircea_popescu: western i mean as opposed to japanese.

01:06:09 mircea_popescu: !up csshih

01:06:33 csshih: sup

01:06:59 mircea_popescu: not much.

01:07:00 BingoBoingo: csshih: What's your online retailer again?

01:07:25 csshih: illumn.com

01:07:49 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski "an efficient means to an ends"

01:07:59 BingoBoingo: hx

01:09:16 *: BingoBoingo bookmarks site, because x-mas is coming in 4 months or some shit

01:09:39 jurov: lol one and half

01:09:45 mircea_popescu: two weeks!

01:09:53 csshih: haha

01:10:15 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu scrap "efficient" ?

01:10:27 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski fix the an plural.

01:11:36 pete_dushenski: now "an efficient mean to an end"

01:11:49 mircea_popescu: uh

01:11:57 pete_dushenski: means!

01:11:58 mircea_popescu: still dun sound right. means is like police, plural only.

01:12:16 pete_dushenski: one end... many means

01:12:16 jurov: no it's actually effervescent mean

01:12:33 mircea_popescu: it'd be pretty rad if people were like "and then this single polic jumped me"

01:13:02 pete_dushenski: historical footnote, "police" was the first word i could actually spell other than my own name

01:13:15 bounce: such law abidement

01:13:20 mircea_popescu: i am surprised you could spell your own name

01:13:22 mircea_popescu: i still can't.

01:13:43 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu i can spell your name, just can't pronounce it!

01:14:02 pete_dushenski: nfi how long it took me to spell my surname

01:14:08 mircea_popescu: :p

01:14:39 mircea_popescu: i imagine indian kids have it the worst. i've seen some pretty gnarly shit.

01:14:59 pete_dushenski: though my grandpa got a kick out of my counting to 10 in romanian this weekend. correct pronounciation and all :D

01:15:05 mircea_popescu: o hey wd.

01:15:18 mircea_popescu: so then ce in mircea, ce in zece, same ce.

01:15:33 asciilifeform: achtung mircea_popescu. broadcast in.

01:15:47 mircea_popescu: nicht gefingerpoken!

01:16:00 asciilifeform: mittengrabben.

01:16:08 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu lol i learned it auditorally so spelling wasn't a problem

01:19:24 bounce: relaxen und watchen das blinkenlichten!

01:19:53 BingoBoingo: Uber discriminates in the worst way http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2014/11/04/uber_price_surging_on_halloween_does_it_take_unfair_advantage_of_drunk_people.html

01:19:53 assbot: Uber price surging on Halloween: Does it take unfair advantage of drunk people?

01:20:05 jurov: bounce, die blinkenlichten

01:20:09 jurov: it's plural

01:20:25 *: bounce adds a [sic] and a (whoosh)

01:20:31 jurov: or maybe something else, as it's akuzativ

01:21:13 *: bounce will now out throw jurov and kick him anderswhere!

01:21:48 mircea_popescu: lol

01:22:09 jurov: arschloch!

01:22:20 asciilifeform: schweinhund.

01:22:39 asciilifeform: hande hoch!

01:22:44 *: asciilifeform exhausted his deutsch

01:24:11 mircea_popescu: poloch!

01:24:56 mircea_popescu: die kanonenkugel macht ein weit grosseres noch!

01:25:03 asciilifeform: eh everybody knows that one.

01:25:07 mircea_popescu: lol

01:25:12 asciilifeform: frederiiiicus reeex...

01:25:54 *: jurov wirft eingige mozartkugeln and mircea_popescu

01:25:59 jurov: *einige

01:26:03 jurov: *ans

01:26:10 asciilifeform: lukschen kugel.

01:26:57 mircea_popescu: unser artillerie hat ein vortrefflich kaliber!

01:32:13 bounce: wir sind vom idiotenklub/ und laden herzlich ein/

01:33:21 mircea_popescu: ;;google idiotenclublied

01:33:22 gribble: No matches found.

01:33:28 mircea_popescu: no fucking wai.

01:33:39 bounce: google is just too SMRT

01:33:46 jurov: ;;google idiotenklublied

01:33:47 gribble: No matches found.

01:33:51 jurov: ;;google idiotenklub

01:33:52 gribble: Smith & Smart - Idiotenclub - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c6azSMGmOw; IDIOTENCLUB - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/IDIOTENCLUB2; omas idiotenclub - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPW3Fic2OoM

01:34:16 mircea_popescu: hm

01:36:11 mircea_popescu: http://griechenmaedchen.jimdo.com/liedgut/das-idiotenclublied/

01:36:11 assbot: Das Idiotenclublied - na wenn das so ist, dann prost!

01:36:19 mircea_popescu: well it does exist upon digging

01:37:16 asciilifeform: obligatory: tigerfibel.

01:38:44 pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2014/11/04/lets-cut-to-the-chase-is-la-serenissima-a-cult/#comment-4505 << lol thestringpuller calls out the cardano!

01:38:45 assbot: Let’s Cut To The Chase, Is La Serenissima A Cult? | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski

01:39:35 asciilifeform: give the man his money back.

01:39:38 asciilifeform: oh wait

01:39:46 ben_vulpes: http://bitbet.us/bet/859/cardano-to-ship-in-2014/

01:39:46 assbot: BitBet - Cardano to Ship in 2014 :: 1.08 B (41%) on Yes, 1.53 B (59%) on No | closing in 1 month 3 weeks | weight: 23`611 (100`000 to 1)

01:40:43 BingoBoingo: Who seriously knew last year's ship date was a distraction while a whole fucking factory was being built in the swamp?

01:40:57 ben_vulpes: who knew indeed

01:41:15 asciilifeform: more of a phactory.

01:41:23 ben_vulpes: phuctory!

01:41:34 pete_dushenski: potty mouth

01:41:55 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo this is a good point

01:43:36 BingoBoingo: But, still. Did asciilifeform actually reinvent the Luer lock, or was S.NSA working on darker magic already? These are the mysteries to be unveiled after the war is won.

01:43:53 asciilifeform: luer lock off the shelf!

01:43:56 punkbot: [trust-update] added: johntraveller

01:44:07 asciilifeform: ferglubssake, i write the broadcasts, does anybody read'em?

01:45:41 BingoBoingo: Of course they get read. It's just... luer lock being a thing with a name I could have swore was the rare s.nsa detail that in the statement could have been shelf pointed to sooner if more transparent.

01:46:05 *: asciilifeform failed to parse above

01:46:11 BingoBoingo: Still, starfish virginity is a concern

01:46:15 asciilifeform: еггог!

01:46:43 mike_c: http://tomtunguz.com/cooley-valuation-data/

01:46:48 *: BingoBoingo might have switched to write only mode. spent the morning driving distances. Brain is still recovering.

01:46:50 mike_c: bezzle money is cheap

01:50:17 pete_dushenski: thai time. later!

01:51:33 jurov: reddit police noticed the bitcoin foundation

01:52:06 jurov: if i did not set up alarm, wouldn't have noticed

01:52:08 asciilifeform: but what of the reddit dogcatcher? he noticed?

01:53:24 ben_vulpes: jurov: did anything happen?

01:53:31 ben_vulpes: how did cloudflare respond?

01:54:24 jurov: i dont have cloudflare but aws. nothing really happened, it just paints nice graphs

01:54:39 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> but what of the reddit dogcatcher? he noticed? << You forget the most dangerous police variety in most US states, the fish and game cop.

01:55:00 BingoBoingo: They almost always get to presume probably cause in search

02:00:46 ben_vulpes: oh.

02:01:03 asciilifeform: http://patchwork.ozlabs.org/patch/405686 << re: ancient mircea_popescu thread

02:01:05 assbot: [3.13.y.z,extended,stable] Patch "sparc64: Fix FPU register corruption with AES crypto offload." has been added to staging queue - Patchwork

02:01:10 ben_vulpes: sorry i mean cloudfront i think

02:01:16 ben_vulpes: almost too tired to think

02:04:19 jurov: yes cloudfront... but they seem to unable to sustain even their feeble attempts

02:04:48 jurov: going to sleep..goodnight!

02:13:56 ben_vulpes: tee hee. amuse.

02:24:08 BingoBoingo: http://gawker.com/alex-from-target-was-a-fake-marketing-ploy-1654748438 << Case study in "social" "media"

02:24:09 assbot: Alex From Target Was Just a Marketing Ploy :(

02:30:53 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> oh wait << omfg stan sarcasm ?

02:31:49 decimation: BingoBoingo: I hear from folks who would know in Ohio that the most competent police there are the fish & game cops

02:31:55 mircea_popescu: <jurov> if i did not set up alarm, wouldn't have noticed <<< i imagine this sounds better in german :D

02:32:41 decimation: that's kinda idiomatic

02:33:26 BingoBoingo: decimation: Well, here in Illinois they get all kinds of powers to do warrantless searches

02:33:36 mircea_popescu: "Teen Twitter (the most powerful force in the universe)" << really ?

02:33:41 mircea_popescu: what universe is that, the soda fountain ?

02:34:20 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: No, the which star/starlet can we push to break the cocaine imbibed by 23 record universe

02:35:40 mircea_popescu: anyway, gawker, nov 4th. "But it's hard to tell if anyone is even real anymore." mp, sep 13th "I want the average redditor to understand that when he interacts with a screen name, he is not interracting with a person."

02:35:46 mircea_popescu: such coincidences.

02:38:04 mircea_popescu: !up Vexual

02:38:09 Vexual: hi

02:38:13 ben_vulpes: evening

02:38:33 Vexual: Ben I must thank you for getting me back on grapes

02:39:19 ben_vulpes: they're lovely

02:41:51 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> such coincidences. << Well, more than even killing Coindesk isn't a point of Qntra ending gawker?

02:42:34 decimation: something like: Wenn ich nicht den Alarm aufgestellt habe, würde ich es nicht bemerkt.

02:43:43 thestringpuller: How did gawker become "a thing"?

02:43:56 thestringpuller: I understand Wired. But gawker not so much.

02:45:07 BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Basically in the 1990's Nick Denton amassed a warchest of bezzel bucks. Then he hired bored housewife to stalk celebrities for initial traffic. After that sustaining gawker was a matter of keeping the bills paid.

02:47:16 BingoBoingo: The contemporary idea of the incredibly PC media mafia after the bush election exists as a creature of Nick Denton's creation

02:49:12 BingoBoingo: it is important to note the present incarnation of that crowd was not sparked by HUffington, Digg, or Reddit, but in Nick Denton's constant reinvestment in Gawker media.

02:55:03 decimation: asciilifeform: re: verizon dns << didn't they announce that they would helpfully insert friendly cookies in your http stream?

02:55:58 decimation: BingoBoingo: it would be interesting to have a directory (with pictures) of those who call the shots in the media today

02:56:23 thestringpuller: ;;later tell mircea_popescu did you mean to put an "https" link for the Qntra link on the prospectus on the MPEx listing?

02:56:23 gribble: The operation succeeded.

02:57:33 BingoBoingo: decimation: Maybe once I set up a homestead in more civilized lands

02:58:33 Vexual: where are you going?

02:58:54 BingoBoingo: No idea yet.

02:59:05 BingoBoingo: Prolly Titan. Maybe Mars.

03:00:28 BingoBoingo: If Buterin's waterfall takes too long to dry prolly some land that habla Castellano

03:02:13 asciilifeform: decimation: unrelated. that was an ip over wireless thing

03:02:21 asciilifeform: decimation: this - straight redirect to spmoogle

03:02:41 thestringpuller: Over 60 mn Ether sold!!!! Amazing!

03:02:41 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

03:03:47 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller actually, no.

03:04:08 mircea_popescu: thanks for pointing out!

03:04:54 mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> The contemporary idea of the incredibly PC media mafia after the bush election exists as a creature of Nick Denton's creation << hm. sort of like anti-drudge ?

03:05:55 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Worse. Drudge didn't spend the entire 1990's getting merit washed.

03:06:39 mircea_popescu: !up sine

03:06:41 mircea_popescu: !up sinetek

03:14:52 BingoBoingo: lulz https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2lb0ch/a_year_ago_today/

03:14:53 assbot: A year ago today : Bitcoin

03:18:58 decimation: BingoBoingo: so he's kinda like the walter lippmann of this era?

03:20:16 BingoBoingo: decimation: I think of Denton more as the mirror image of the Koch Brothers, but that's a very imperfect correspondence.

03:21:07 BingoBoingo: Denton writes rarely, but when he does criticizes Gawker authors for their economic liberalism.

03:27:50 decimation: has anyone here upgraded to openbsd 5.6?

03:32:10 BingoBoingo: decimation: Not yet, will order disks this month, prolly

03:41:14 TheNewDeal: So I'm reading this conversation about programming languages from 7 days ago (28-10-2014). There is a lot of trash talking about OOPs, like C++. I don't see anyone mention C. Is C just not worth mentioning?

03:41:32 asciilifeform: unfortunately is worth mentioning.

03:41:52 TheNewDeal: why so unfortunate?

03:42:00 asciilifeform: just as usg is worth mentioning.

03:42:49 asciilifeform: actually we had a fun occasion for mentioning c recently.

03:42:51 BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: http://qntra.net/2014/11/7th-underhanded-c-contest-going-on-now/

03:42:51 assbot: 7th Underhanded C Contest Going on Now | Qntra.net

03:42:53 asciilifeform: !s underhanded c contest

03:42:54 assbot: 10 results for 'underhanded c contest' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=underhanded+c+contest

03:42:54 asciilifeform: aha

03:43:22 asciilifeform: don't look for the 'incompetent c contest.' it's right there on your desk.

03:43:26 asciilifeform: and mine, and his.

03:43:27 BingoBoingo: Don't worry everyone has until new years day to learn C and enter

03:43:52 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> don't look for the 'incompetent c contest.' it's right there on your desk. << It's everywhere

03:44:05 asciilifeform: dear glub, 'learn c', k&r 1st ed. is what, 80 pages?

03:44:05 TheNewDeal: what in the hell does that mean?

03:46:28 asciilifeform: it means that even 'competent' c programmers are playing.

03:46:36 TheNewDeal: is it akin to what Naggum was saying on C++ , that it's too tough for people to handle?

03:46:45 BingoBoingo: And the hardware plays back

03:47:05 asciilifeform: 'too tough for people' is a poor angle. there are people who can lift a 'volkswagen.'

03:47:14 BingoBoingo: !up devthedev Hello devthedev

03:47:29 devthedev: Hey BingoBoingo

03:47:48 thestringpuller: devthedev: get your shares?

03:48:01 *: asciilifeform thought k&r 1st ed. was on the #b-a required reading shelf, or the like.

03:48:07 devthedev: Yes sir

03:48:08 TheNewDeal: But there's not hundreds of thousands of people going around writing "Can lift a volkswagen efficiently" on their CV

03:48:29 decimation: I recommend this book too http://archive.arstechnica.com/etc/books/deep-c.html

03:48:44 asciilifeform: ^^

03:48:46 asciilifeform: yes!

03:48:48 asciilifeform: it's a real riot.

03:48:55 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: what's awrong with 2nd edition?

03:48:56 asciilifeform: full of bell labs c lore

03:49:10 decimation: yeah reading that book improved my C coding because it explained wtf was going on and why

03:49:12 asciilifeform: 2nd edition << bloat

03:49:26 asciilifeform: satan preserve us from 2nd editions.

03:49:39 thestringpuller: K&R is how I learned C. So no complaints.

03:49:52 asciilifeform: i like to call it 'koraktor'

03:49:55 asciilifeform: ;;google koraktor

03:49:59 gribble: koraktor: http://koraktor.de/; koraktor (Sebastian Staudt) · GitHub: https://github.com/koraktor; koraktor/steam-condenser · GitHub: https://github.com/koraktor/steam-condenser

03:50:03 asciilifeform: fail.

03:50:31 *: asciilifeform opens koraktor, bound in human skin, and searches for a death spell for google

03:51:05 TheNewDeal: how about assembly languages?

03:51:19 asciilifeform: what about them?

03:51:29 decimation: MMIX?

03:51:30 TheNewDeal: not mentioned in the programming discussion

03:51:49 asciilifeform: sure they were.

03:51:51 asciilifeform: e.g., http://www.loper-os.org/?p=55

03:51:52 assbot: Loper OS » You have made your bedrock, now lie in it.

03:51:59 TheNewDeal: I took a class that was all about MIPS, but it got over my head at the end. I was a mech engr stuck in a class of comp sci students

03:52:03 decimation: C is more-or-less a fancy set of macros around assembly

03:52:12 asciilifeform: on pdp-10.

03:52:29 asciilifeform: !up Vexual

03:52:42 thestringpuller: devthedev: didn't you make a news site?

03:53:06 devthedev: Yes

03:53:31 thestringpuller: i forgot what it is

03:53:46 devthedev: I was planning on writing for CryptoDeck less formally, more for fun and qntra more formally but I kinda got burnt out.

03:54:30 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://cryptome.org/2014/11/wind-river-security-crypto.pdf << what wind river was dinged for

03:54:45 thestringpuller: devthedev: I can tell. Last article published was Oct. 17. lol

03:54:58 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: afaik they self-volunteered for gassing (for no reason i know of)

03:55:27 decimation: supposedly they were treated 'lightly' because they volunteered

03:56:20 decimation: lol they were dinged for exporting ipsec?

03:57:00 devthedev: thestringpuller: I may just sell it, I don't have as much time as I'd like to devote to it.

03:57:30 thestringpuller: what is there to sell? do you have contributors?

03:57:54 devthedev: Negative

03:58:03 decimation: tyranny - usg fines a company for exporting that which is easily downloadable everywhere. anarchy - usg pretends it cannot investigate welfare fraud

03:58:08 devthedev: It would be just the domain essentially.

03:59:19 BingoBoingo: <devthedev> It would be just the domain essentially. << Problem is the first 5 letters of the domain are too popular

03:59:34 Vexual: asciilifeform did you ever get you hands on one of those first ibm branded xts?

04:01:09 decimation: my first computer was an epson XT knockoff

04:01:26 thestringpuller: decimation: me too!!!!!

04:01:44 decimation: as I recall it cost around $2k in the late 80's

04:01:53 thestringpuller: I still have it. It's all boxed up. I just need a PS/1 keyboard but those are hard to find.

04:01:53 decimation: yeah this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csBJKaZSg9A

04:01:53 assbot: Epson Apex Plus Turbo XT computer (1988) - YouTube

04:02:49 decimation: it was the best thing my family bought me, I learned dos, played kings quest & space quest, learned to write in wordperfect

04:04:42 thestringpuller: decimation: http://thepcmuseum.net/comp_images/photo_EpsonEquity1+.JPG << that was mine

04:04:54 thestringpuller: ibm knockoff/clone

04:05:29 thestringpuller: taught me batch scripts and dos

04:05:34 thestringpuller: eventually qbasic

04:05:40 decimation: my dad had a 'real' ibm AT at work, I was impressed by the built-like-a-tank chassis

04:08:41 Vexual: they were quickly liberated from govenment offices here

04:09:08 *: BingoBoingo bought a Mac Classic for $10

04:10:05 thestringpuller: decimation: IBM keyboard's kinda rule even to this day.

04:10:42 decimation: yeah I use a knockoff (unicomp) myself

04:11:26 thestringpuller: yea I used one of those. I wanna get the one with the mouse in the middle (like on the think-pads) for my desktop.

04:11:41 thestringpuller: co workers hated the clicking but damn it was a slick keyboard

04:12:26 decimation: if you search the logs there are pointers to folks who have hardware projects that interface ibm ps/2 keyboards made in the 80's to usb

04:16:18 mircea_popescu: <TheNewDeal> So I'm reading this conversation about programming languages from 7 days ago (28-10-2014). There is a lot of trash talking about OOPs, like C++. I don't see anyone mention C. Is C just not worth mentioning? <<< c is really not ~that~ bad.

04:16:57 mircea_popescu: !up sadekjake

04:16:59 TheNewDeal: not as bad as the usg?

04:17:12 mircea_popescu: sadekjake hey there.

04:17:20 thestringpuller: on a scale of 0 to usg how turdified is it?

04:17:51 BingoBoingo: !up devthedev

04:18:00 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal people generally hate c++ for reasons and c by extension.

04:18:38 mircea_popescu: arguably c doesn't do much to help the programmer not be stupid. then again, it doesn't actually force them to be dumb. sort of like asm, and nobody really hates asm.

04:18:47 sadekjake: hello Mircea

04:18:51 sadekjake: do you see my msg?

04:19:21 mircea_popescu: nope.

04:19:52 sadekjake: i have neever used an IRC before

04:19:55 mircea_popescu: o.O

04:19:56 sadekjake: how do i send you a pm?

04:20:12 mircea_popescu: well, i just sent you one, should be a tab opened somewhere next to where it says #bitcoin-assets

04:26:37 asciilifeform: 'c' does not force man to be dumb. but hardly anyone actually gets to program in 'c.' normally folks program in c+libs

04:27:05 asciilifeform: libs authored by, in many cases, what can only be down's syndrome cases

04:28:19 decimation: a few years ago I tried to make an edit to wikipedia's 'climate change' entry. a similar down's syndrome case guards that page - immediately reverting any non-libtard edit

04:29:00 BingoBoingo: !up dgeats

04:29:23 asciilifeform: c >> obligatory >> http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3141310154691952@naggum.no.html

04:29:24 assbot: Re: Is LISP dying? - Naggum cll archive

04:29:49 decimation: at any rate, one cannot consider themsleves a programmer today without knowing C

04:30:05 decimation: perhaps in the future it will not be so

04:30:17 asciilifeform: '...and _does_ an operating system that forces the programmer to check to see whether the operating system did what it was asked to do every damn time you ask it to do anything actually give any relevant form of support to anyone?'

04:30:49 decimation: asciilifeform: but, that's new jersey style!

04:31:24 thestringpuller: decimation: at any rate, one cannot consider themsleves a programmer today without knowing C << unfortunately not a lot of people learn C in what you may call "computer science education" (or is so named)

04:31:25 mircea_popescu: !up dgeats

04:31:35 thestringpuller: !up Jondo

04:31:36 mircea_popescu: decimation you don't understand. for him, matter of life and death. that's how he eats.

04:31:57 dgeats: !up BingoBoingo, happy to be here

04:32:07 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: education << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-04-2014#626237

04:32:07 assbot: Logged on 15-04-2014 18:34:43; asciilifeform: 'we refuse to produce any more C programmers who are a danger to themselves and others.' -- my old dean

04:32:08 mircea_popescu: haha cute one.

04:32:39 asciilifeform: (anyone still awake, straight to that dusty thread)

04:32:52 decimation: yeah "C" was going out of style when I graduated in the early 2000's, CS was converting to full-java

04:32:54 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: this is pretty much the stance. you have to seek it out, if you want to learn it. I guess what they are producing are not programmers at that point?

04:33:13 asciilifeform: 1nf0rm4t10n t3chn0log1stz!

04:33:17 asciilifeform: or something.

04:33:26 thestringpuller: scary.

04:33:47 decimation: one wonders what the point of using open source OS's would be if you can't read C

04:34:17 thestringpuller: much easier to write c-code in linux than say DOS

04:34:21 asciilifeform: the point, when there is a point, generally has nothing to do with reading

04:34:34 asciilifeform: mostly pure zoological revulsion at microshit

04:35:01 BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Google's Android has a linux kernel and BSD libc

04:35:09 asciilifeform: easier to write c-code in linux than say DOS << beg to differ.

04:35:21 asciilifeform: under rusty old msdos one can, generally, actually program in c

04:35:26 decimation: heh yeah there are so many distro's and tard-libraries in linux

04:37:16 decimation: asciilifeform: here's the link for what you are getting at: http://www.colorforth.com/POL.htm " Now we get down the the nitty-gritty. This is our first clash with the establishment. The conventionsl approach, enforced to a greater or lesser extent, is that you shall use a standard subroutine. I say that you should write your own subroutines. "

04:37:16 assbot: 403 Forbidden

04:37:46 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: i think when I was 9 it was like 4 weeks allowance to get Borland or whatever C compiler they were selling at the time.

04:38:05 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: guess how much i and everybody i knew paid.

04:38:11 thestringpuller: 0

04:38:27 decimation: ah, the good ol' stack of floppies

04:38:42 asciilifeform: decimation: this sounds like top-grade batshit to 'civilians', who don't normally understand how simple (from algorithmic standpoint) everything they usually want out of the machine, really is

04:38:56 decimation: one of my friends would call AOL every day for a free "introductory" floppy every day

04:39:19 asciilifeform: most of what programmers do, is really grunt labour to work around the mistakes of earlier programmers.

04:39:43 asciilifeform: folks who realize this, eventually 'turn perelman'

04:39:45 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> under rusty old msdos one can, generally, actually program in c << because, again, if i want to kil a ms-dos dependency I DELETE THE FILE

04:39:50 asciilifeform: and we don't hear from them

04:39:51 mircea_popescu: motherfucking apt-get.

04:39:59 asciilifeform: aha.

04:40:01 decimation: yeah it's really really tiresome to live in someone else's fucktarded world

04:40:32 mircea_popescu: just....fucking....detele the file.

04:40:37 mircea_popescu: omg why should it be so hard.

04:40:46 decimation: because $LD_LIBRARY_PATH

04:40:50 dgeats: !up @assbot

04:41:00 mircea_popescu: fuck that shit with pikes.

04:41:03 asciilifeform: butbutbutt... it could be on a locked nfs volume! it could be on an abacus wielded by retarded child! etc

04:41:07 mircea_popescu: NO

04:41:30 decimation: asciilifeform: actually this is an interesting point. Why does every platform insist on dynamic libraries?

04:41:48 asciilifeform: cargo-cult imitation of real computer.

04:41:53 decimation: somehow Mr. Moore can write a chip-design tool in a few hundred lines of forth

04:42:03 decimation: yet it takes like 50 megabytes to instantiate Xeyes?

04:42:31 mircea_popescu: fuckthatshitomfg

04:42:35 decimation: yeah, I guess in this case the 'cargo-cult' is building a wooden global namespace

04:42:38 *: mircea_popescu spazzes

04:42:38 asciilifeform: and it takes a supercomputer, of a kind not even yet built, to write a word processor where there are no palpable delays when entering a character. if you believe microshit.

04:43:12 decimation: but my 8088 did that running at 8 mhz in wordperfect

04:43:16 asciilifeform: aha.

04:43:36 asciilifeform: decimation: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=300

04:43:37 assbot: Loper OS » Going Nowhere Really Fast, or How Computers Only Come in Two Speeds.

04:44:08 decimation: heh yeah that was a favorite post

04:44:17 BingoBoingo: ^ Macs at one point almost really were real computers

04:44:29 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: long, long ago.

04:44:37 decimation: "But suppose everyone wrote their own subroutines? Isn't that a step backward; away from the millenium when our programs are machine independent, when we all write in the same language, maybe even on the same computer? Let me take a stand: I can't solve the problems of the world. With luck, I can write a good program. "

04:44:53 decimation: this is probably the most rational approach toward the modern c-machine

04:45:11 mircea_popescu: fucking hell.

04:45:23 mircea_popescu: why the fuck would "we". jesus burn every text with we in it already.

04:45:24 mircea_popescu: we my food.

04:45:29 mircea_popescu: foot*

04:45:35 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, then they sold their soul to IBM

04:46:14 mircea_popescu: maybe our fucking should be all machi^H^H^H^H^H woman independent also ?

04:46:20 mircea_popescu: maybe we should all jack off with the same stroke ?!

04:46:25 *: mircea_popescu spazzes some more

04:47:02 asciilifeform: as a student, i was once told by a greybeard: 'you're young, but know that you have X lines of code in you. after that - log cabin.'

04:47:05 asciilifeform: he was, of course, optimist

04:47:26 asciilifeform: often, 'after that' is something more like pistol fellatio

04:47:40 asciilifeform: i didn't grok what he said, at the time, naturally

04:47:48 mircea_popescu: i enjoy writing the little code i do write.

04:47:56 asciilifeform: that's the trick.

04:48:36 mircea_popescu: the enjoy or the little ?

04:48:43 decimation: I want someone to draw a cartoon: young man approaches greybeard lounging under a tree: greybeard - why do you laze instead of being productive? - He says: you try to make something useful - off the young one goes through trial and tribulation - eventually, ending up under a tree.

04:48:53 asciilifeform: 'little' -> 'enjoy'

04:48:57 BingoBoingo: !up devthedev

04:49:17 mircea_popescu: *: asciilifeform opens koraktor, bound in human skin, and searches for a death spell for google << wot based search. working towards it.

04:49:56 asciilifeform: !s kyristor

04:49:57 assbot: 5 results for 'kyristor' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=kyristor

04:50:09 asciilifeform: ^ sword in stone for unknown heroes to be born

04:50:11 mircea_popescu: all these fucktards with the "blockchain technology" have no fucking idea even what the technology actually is

04:50:21 mircea_popescu: monkeys in the jungle, "shiny wings technology".

04:50:25 mircea_popescu: yeah, im sure that's why the plane flies.

04:50:28 asciilifeform: 'technology' - just a word to them.

04:50:34 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> *: asciilifeform opens koraktor, bound in human skin, and searches for a death spell for google << wot based search. working towards it. << Caled it when you asked about crawling millions of urls

04:50:50 BingoBoingo: Next time I'll sign the hash of the prediction

04:51:03 mircea_popescu: lol

04:51:17 *: asciilifeform knows of no reason why wot-search needs to crawl anything

04:51:31 mircea_popescu: decimation: C is more-or-less a fancy set of macros around assembly <<< this is actually pretty much it.

04:51:39 *: asciilifeform pictures wot search as a graph traversal of personal 'bookmark' collections of wot-people

04:51:54 decimation: asciilifeform: yeah the "crawlers" are human beings

04:51:58 asciilifeform: assembly << of pdp-10. see naggum's piece earlier.

04:52:04 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform just like cars are a steel banded joining of the walking of people ?

04:52:09 asciilifeform: lol

04:52:13 mircea_popescu: at some point you gotta put an engine in there somewhere.

04:52:57 asciilifeform: extant cpu archs are quite unlike pdp-10. internally, of course. 90+% of the Si real estate is then used up in papering over this to build a convincing simulacrum of 'c' machine.

04:53:20 asciilifeform: so if an idiot tells you that 'c' is 'naturally close to platonic hardware' - you have my official blessing (tm) to kick his face in.

04:53:24 mircea_popescu: do ellaborate.

04:53:43 asciilifeform: e.g., translation lookaside buffer cache on intel.

04:53:53 asciilifeform: the page table.

04:54:03 asciilifeform: automatic instruction re-ordering.

04:54:21 mircea_popescu: decimation: as I recall it cost around $2k in the late 80's << ahh, the days when a shitty mouse was 100 bux.

04:54:23 asciilifeform: (intel tried shipping a gizmo without it, now it is known affectionately as 'the itanic')

04:54:36 asciilifeform: i could go on, but this could fill a book.

04:54:55 mircea_popescu: da fuck is platonic hardware supposed to be

04:55:14 asciilifeform: an imaginary animal that lives in the skulls of folks who talk about 'close to the hardware? that means c of course'

04:55:17 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> da fuck is platonic hardware supposed to be << Aristotle's natal cleft

04:55:24 decimation: in your room-sized FPGA, there is probably a spot for a few 'risc' finite automata

04:55:50 asciilifeform: decimation: there could be room found for an entire period reproduction of intel 486, for when the mood to play 'doom' strikes you.

04:56:10 asciilifeform: point is, it is possible to build electronics that are actually programmable.

04:57:19 BingoBoingo: turd should be legible to the .js deniers http://www.bnd.com/2014/11/04/3492961/enyart-bost-bradshaw-vie-for-congressional.html?sp=/99/100/&ihp=1

04:57:21 assbot: Metro-east news from Belleville, IL | Belleville News-Democrat

04:57:25 asciilifeform: in some of my articles, i mention a concept called 'design space.' it, approximately, means, the set of engineering decisions that are thinkable at a given time.

04:57:34 asciilifeform: in many ways it behaves like a non-renewable mineral resource.

04:58:17 asciilifeform: except, unlike petrogoodies, it is possible to get design space back just by 'wanting enough.'

04:58:26 asciilifeform: catch is, you have to... burn the world.

05:00:47 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> catch is, you have to... burn the world. << How many people here are seriously opposed to this condition

05:01:07 asciilifeform: for instance, in the '70s, when there was an understanding that a computer is purchased and comes with own os, and your own men will write literally everything else (often including os) that will ever run on it, until it goes to the scrapyard -

05:01:20 asciilifeform: there was a plethora of interestingly-different machine architectures.

05:01:45 asciilifeform: e.g., cdc 6600

05:02:02 asciilifeform: the lisp machines (xerox and mit branches of the evolutionary trees, different in many interesting ways)

05:02:09 asciilifeform: the early crays

05:02:25 asciilifeform: then folks began to 'depend on things'

05:02:52 asciilifeform: and increasingly, 'hysterical raisins' became primary justification for all engineering decisions re: computer.

05:04:24 BingoBoingo: Shhhhh, you are about to spoil the part where the hittites surprise pete_d with iron weapns

05:04:44 asciilifeform: this is in many ways a process analogous to ordinary senescence.

05:05:27 BingoBoingo: Ordinary only in pathophysiology, not in affect

05:05:34 asciilifeform: people age, and empires - and the 'computer we know' isn't really a separate animal from the u.s. empire.

05:05:57 asciilifeform: there were computers once, among the people of the east.

05:05:59 asciilifeform: !s trinary

05:06:00 assbot: 7 results for 'trinary' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=trinary

05:06:17 asciilifeform: then they decided they like w4r3z rather too much

05:06:22 asciilifeform: to bother with own computers.

05:07:31 asciilifeform: why go through the grind of developing world from scratch, they thought, when you can l33ch l33t w4r3z like a pr0 in 21 days

05:08:09 BingoBoingo: ANd thus began the legend of niggers.txt

05:08:17 mircea_popescu: lol

05:11:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19900 @ 0.00073016 = 14.5302 BTC [+] {2}

05:11:22 BingoBoingo: The problem is encountering the actual mythical good is always a dissapointment.

05:12:03 asciilifeform: the kid who gets his first fuck - also disappointed

05:13:23 asciilifeform: ars longa, when you catch, kill, and dress the unicorn, can go after loch ness monster and many other prey.

05:14:40 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> the kid who gets his first fuck - also disappointed << rly ?!

05:15:38 mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> Shhhhh, you are about to spoil the part where the hittites surprise pete_d with iron weapns << the hittites never had iron. you're thinking the franks.

05:16:15 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Maybe the Assyrians? Some sort of Turk turnt out the Jew bronze with their Iron.

05:16:29 decimation: re: design space << so part of the problem with "C" is that it tends to occupy this mental design space rapidly

05:18:23 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/no-such-labs-snsa-october-2014-statement/

05:18:23 assbot: No Such lAbs (S.NSA), October 2014 Statement pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

05:18:32 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the franks.

05:18:49 mircea_popescu: "the iron! my god, the iron!" spoken in italia by the degenerate successors of the latins.

05:19:11 decimation: what about 'damascus steel'?

05:19:19 mircea_popescu: much later.

05:19:23 mircea_popescu: franks are a 800ad affair.

05:19:29 mircea_popescu: allah had been barely invented yet

05:19:50 BingoBoingo: <decimation> what about 'damascus steel'? << 4 digit number of years innovation

05:19:53 mircea_popescu: at the joseph smith stage yet.

05:20:28 decimation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damascus_steel << " From the 3rd century to the 17th century, India was shipping steel ingots to the Middle East.[14]"

05:20:28 assbot: Damascus steel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

05:20:54 mircea_popescu: dunno what sort of steel they were shipping in 3ad.

05:21:00 mircea_popescu: 300*

05:21:05 decimation: yeah I think it was more "steel" than steel

05:21:27 mircea_popescu: swords are like computers - they only work for some grades of si

05:21:33 mircea_popescu: sand not acceptble.

05:22:13 mircea_popescu: anyway, tardpedia's fascination with the east and white-hating notwithstanding, steel is a western invention.

05:22:46 asciilifeform: invention - yes

05:23:04 asciilifeform: primitives succeeded in making steels of a kind, from naturally carboniferous wootz traded along, e.g., silk road

05:23:16 asciilifeform: but metallurgy - is white man's magic.

05:23:46 asciilifeform: protest of japanophiles notwithstanding

05:23:59 decimation: yeah I saw some documentary about japanese sword-making - that steel is closer to steel, but nowhere near modern quality

05:24:01 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> primitives succeeded in making steels of a kind, from naturally carboniferous wootz traded along, e.g., silk road << Wootz yes, low hanging fruit. When I read Damascus though I think laminate forging process

05:24:07 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in fairnes, the gypsies did show real talent in working with zamak,

05:24:24 mircea_popescu: so much so they got dragged all over to europe by various turkic people.

05:24:28 mircea_popescu: but zamak is still zamak.

05:24:29 asciilifeform: aha

05:24:38 asciilifeform: gotta fix those pots & pans.

05:24:45 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo that's post-byzantine conquest. strictly.

05:25:20 decimation: the turks conquered Byzantium and then headed east?

05:25:27 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Of course, but also the product normally refered to now as "Damascus" steel

05:25:29 mircea_popescu: nah.

05:25:41 mircea_popescu: decimation the golden crescent is this pulsing heart of human civilisaiton.

05:25:46 asciilifeform: see also: булат.

05:25:50 mircea_popescu: the most recent pulse went in all directions, just about to india.

05:25:57 mircea_popescu: it run into a hard wall at constantinople

05:26:02 mircea_popescu: but eventually overcame it.

05:27:11 mircea_popescu: (with hungarian cannons)

05:27:16 BingoBoingo: "Historical" Dracula

05:27:42 asciilifeform: !s drakula

05:27:43 assbot: 21 results for 'drakula' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=drakula

05:27:46 mircea_popescu: nah, unrelated.

05:27:56 mircea_popescu: was some sort of columbus of metallurgy. little is known.

05:27:56 asciilifeform: not related at all.

05:28:24 asciilifeform: 'hedgehog marches in fog, with rifle on his shoulder.' 'not funny, but at least it's about the war!'

05:30:04 mircea_popescu: come to think about it : the original siege cannon was carried by two dozen oxen, fired twice a day, had to be cooled with hlf a ton of oil and exploded every two weeks killing everyone around

05:30:09 mircea_popescu: yet asciilifeform bitches about c.

05:30:14 asciilifeform: and gypsies worked in tin, lead, no possible zamac

05:30:31 mircea_popescu: tin, tin.

05:30:34 asciilifeform: (Al being a creature of modernity.)

05:30:57 asciilifeform: cannon aficionados should also think about chinese & korean leather cannon.

05:30:57 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in romanian it's how you say "base metal" generally.

05:31:11 decimation: http://video.pbs.org/video/1150578495/ << said documentary with a demonstration of Japanese steel-making

05:31:12 assbot: Video: Secrets of the Samurai Sword | Watch NOVA Online | PBS Video

05:31:12 asciilifeform: it was more or less guaranteed to rupture at one point, killing crew

05:31:45 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform tatara comes from... guess ?

05:31:52 mircea_popescu: and they got it from... guess ?

05:31:54 asciilifeform: ahaha

05:32:07 mircea_popescu: myeah.

05:32:34 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> (Al being a creature of modernity.) << Elemental Al was accessible to ancients... at lightining strike sites

05:32:35 mircea_popescu: not saying they didn't get very good at it, they did.

05:33:05 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: and pure Fe, and Ir, etc. from meteorites.

05:33:13 BingoBoingo: Indeed

05:33:29 BingoBoingo: but the later easier to refine and heavier.

05:33:33 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: not much of these in actual archaeological practice, iirc

05:33:56 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually the mediteranean people volcanoes prolly more than meteorites.

05:34:02 BingoBoingo: A light shiny metal, Napoleon commisioned Aluminum flatware.

05:34:08 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ditto amerinds

05:34:10 mircea_popescu: which is why vulcan lives underground not in the sky

05:34:22 asciilifeform: (e.g., obsidian)

05:34:52 *: asciilifeform still waiting for obsidian terroristknives

05:35:06 BingoBoingo: obsidian conparatively common though. Aluminum might as well have been mythiril though

05:35:23 asciilifeform: the ancients would've laughed at Al.

05:35:23 BingoBoingo: * asciilifeform still waiting for obsidian terroristknives << DO you have a budget in mind?

05:35:27 mircea_popescu: lmao

05:35:58 asciilifeform: pretty damn useless metal, unless you can churn it out by the megatonne

05:36:07 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> the ancients would've laughed at Al. BUt in the 18th and 19th centuries only nobels had aluminium helmets

05:36:16 asciilifeform: didn't really shine until aeronautics made folks itch for just it

05:36:31 asciilifeform: helmets << spoons

05:36:52 BingoBoingo: Still, how many obsiadian terroist knives, at what dimension, and in what quantity?

05:37:11 asciilifeform: for folks outside of usa, good story re: Al: in washington d.c., there is an enormous obelisk, 'washington monument.' it is tipped with a small pyramid of precious aluminum.

05:37:23 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo actually, they didn't come up with duralumin

05:37:25 asciilifeform: (extracted chemically at bowel-loosening expense)

05:37:27 mircea_popescu: which is what limited its early use

05:37:38 asciilifeform: aha

05:37:47 asciilifeform: more or less no one uses pure Al for anything today.

05:37:50 decimation: I believe that aluminum is part of the british crown jewels too

05:38:48 mircea_popescu: "it is not rare to see a palpable (and all the more so for its unpredictability) delay between pressing a key and the drawing of a symbol on the screen." << i have never seen this.

05:39:03 decimation: re: obsidian knives << if you want to go this route, just find some local flint and start chipping

05:39:04 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ms word much?

05:39:06 mircea_popescu: part of the reason perhaps being that if i had, i'd start bludgeoning the machine into the ground.

05:39:33 mircea_popescu: i think i had wordperfect on msdos

05:39:39 mircea_popescu: or was it wordstar maybe ?

05:39:45 mircea_popescu: word-something. like coin-* today

05:39:53 BingoBoingo: http://www.finescience.com/Special-Pages/Products.aspx?ProductId=296&CategoryId=56&lang=en-US << Obsidian terrorist knife

05:39:54 assbot: Obsidian Scalpels - Micro Knives - Scalpels & Blades - Product Overview - Fine Science Tools

05:39:56 decimation: I distinctly remember seeing word on windows and thinking it was a huge step back from wordperfect on dos

05:40:09 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that particular piece was written while waiting for a locked-up msword turd on a usg slavemachine, also running mandatory usg antivirus, which wedged the disk

05:40:23 mircea_popescu: ah well

05:40:36 BingoBoingo: decimation> re: obsidian knives << if you want to go this route, just find some local flint and start chipping << Flint =/= obsidian

05:41:01 BingoBoingo: Also premier material for shaping flint, antler

05:41:35 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> more or less no one uses pure Al for anything today. << /me may use for heat...

05:41:46 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: glass scalpel << of late i have made much use of carbide cutting tools on lathe, which come with similar warnings.

05:41:56 asciilifeform: (brittle as all fuck, cannot tolerate lateral force much at all)

05:42:01 BingoBoingo: Exactly

05:42:10 decimation: yeah I would be pretty scared to operate on someone with a glass blade

05:42:23 mircea_popescu: "Recently, I devoted several sleepless nights to this problem. Why is it that our computers are getting faster and faster yet we are using them more and more to render things generated on some distant server? And it?s still slow!" <<< average bovine is comforted by the second delay.

05:42:32 mircea_popescu: it has time to think^H blink, damnit.

05:42:54 BingoBoingo: Compare to a modern blade made with powder sintered S30V steel http://www.cutleryshoppe.com/gerberapplegate-fairbairncovertautomatic-cpm-530v-378blackcomboedgeblade.aspx

05:42:55 assbot: Gerber 30-000137 Applegate-Fairbairn Covert AUTOMATIC - CPM-S30V - 3.78" Black Combo Edge Blade

05:43:48 BingoBoingo: <decimation> yeah I would be pretty scared to operate on someone with a glass blade << In an MRI tube what else can you use? Interventional radiology is lucrative

05:44:14 asciilifeform: time to think^H blink << 'The lights must never go out, The music must always play..., Lest we should see where we are, Lost in a haunted wood, Children afraid of the night, Who have never been happy or good.'

05:44:19 decimation: well, aluminium isn't magnetic right?

05:44:42 BingoBoingo: decimation, depends on magnet size

05:45:08 mircea_popescu: http://joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000020.html quoted just to make stan bleed from the eyes.

05:45:08 assbot: Strategy Letter IV: Bloatware and the 80/20 Myth - Joel on Software

05:45:24 asciilifeform: bled already, done

05:45:43 asciilifeform: tiresome wankers linked it in my comments maybe 15 times

05:45:44 mircea_popescu: decimation that would have been the fucking moment of truth for the cataphract : when someone turned on a giant magnet

05:45:55 mircea_popescu: sort-of equivalent to the moment when archimedes turned on the mirrors.

05:46:06 decimation: lol

05:46:17 asciilifeform: this actually plays out, as written, in an episode of disney's 'duck tales' i saw translated as a boy

05:46:54 mircea_popescu: In fact there are lots of great reasons for bloatware. For one, if programmers don't have to worry about how large their code is, they can ship it sooner. And that means you get more features, and features make your life better (when you use them) and don't usually hurt (when you don't).

05:46:58 asciilifeform: and, unless i'm hallucinating it, in 'connecticut yankee in king arthur's court'

05:47:01 mircea_popescu: ahahaha i feel so dirrrrty

05:47:07 mircea_popescu: check me out im a quotation slut.

05:47:34 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform listen : if coders didn't have to worry about whether THEIR PROGRAM EVEN HALTS

05:47:39 mircea_popescu: they could ship it right now!

05:48:22 asciilifeform: aha.

05:48:42 decimation: I blame fiat.

05:48:48 mircea_popescu: as joel well points out, we got a mental problem. no comprende como sheeping works.

05:49:00 decimation: it allows everyone to pass the buck up to the assignat printing press

05:49:56 mircea_popescu: "and the loss to the software company that has to give up two months of sales is even worse." << dat logic. so if i have sex for the first time today, rather than next week, i gain a full week of first time sexings.

05:50:16 decimation: writing nearly perfect code is possible, but anyone who tries loses in the market by those who 'get there first' writing crap

05:50:35 mircea_popescu: that's mostly his argument.

05:50:58 decimation: right, the point to realize is that the market is broken

05:51:07 BingoBoingo: And yet... What firewall beats pf atm?

05:51:55 decimation: I remember the original netscape - it was a pile of shit

05:52:12 mircea_popescu: every browser was a pile of shit.

05:52:14 asciilifeform: pioneered the modern shitpile, yes

05:52:20 mircea_popescu: it's a wonder the internet even stil exists.

05:52:29 asciilifeform: masters of turdatronics, went on to Great Things

05:52:32 mircea_popescu: in fact, the history of the internet and the browser narrowly mimicks the history of bitcoin

05:52:57 mircea_popescu: powerful idea, badly implemented by idiots.

05:53:08 asciilifeform: microscope.

05:53:24 decimation: yeah that's a scary parallel

05:53:50 asciilifeform: 'Bitcoin interests me as an obvious example of a technological jewel tossed around aimlessly by the brutal hands of cave men. I can?t help but picture a flashlight or a radio set, left behind in the wilderness by geologists, to be picked up later by some Stone Age aboriginals; to be fought over and worshiped. Until the batteries run out.' -- your truly

05:54:05 mircea_popescu: decimation just think, what they were. remember... lycos ?

05:54:10 mircea_popescu: altavista ?

05:54:15 decimation: lol yeah

05:54:16 mircea_popescu: search engine yo! internet wallets!

05:54:29 decimation: the only reason google 'took off' was the fact that their competitors sucked

05:54:43 mircea_popescu: someone actually thought that "yahoo" is a sane string to associate to your busines.

05:55:02 mircea_popescu: it's a fucking derrogatory, it's almost like calling bitcoin's media company "cunt, raw"

05:55:04 mircea_popescu: uh wait.

05:55:08 mircea_popescu: somethingelse.

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05:55:13 BingoBoingo: !b 3

05:55:52 asciilifeform: 'yahoo' << 'houyhnhnm' just doesn't have the same ring.

05:55:58 decimation: as I recall the netscape was pretty much just a ripoff of mosaic

05:56:21 mircea_popescu: notrly, mosaic almost worked

05:56:28 asciilifeform: since we're on the subject of www,

05:56:29 asciilifeform: http://www.cl-http.org:8001/cl-http/history.html

05:56:31 assbot: CL-HTTP History

05:56:54 asciilifeform: ^ not turd. why? didn't have to run on toy computer in paupers' bedrooms.

05:58:18 decimation: asciilifeform: it is sad that the pauper's computers 'won' in the long run

05:58:25 mircea_popescu: http://joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000019.html << ahh the good old days!

05:58:25 assbot: How Many Lies Can You Find In One Direct Mail Piece? - Joel on Software

05:58:30 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ^ not turd. why? didn't have to run on toy computer in paupers' bedrooms. << What, some people actually operate this way...

05:58:31 mircea_popescu: It says that it's from Sky Dayton (founder of Earthlink) although it is actually from Earthlink's direct marketing department. I can just see the thought going through the copy writer's head. "People won't open it unless it's from someone they know, and everyone knows Sky Dayton!"

05:58:45 mircea_popescu: anyone still know virgin atlantic branson dayton w/e his name was ?

05:59:00 BingoBoingo: Richard Branson?

05:59:50 decimation: asciilifeform: it's certain that there was some government meeting where the cl-http server was regarded as 'obsolete' because it wasn't compatible with frontpage or whatever

05:59:50 mircea_popescu: right.

06:00:35 asciilifeform: decimation: mallery ported it to reasonably-standard common lisps. so it did not die with symbolics corp. however, he stuck a rather asinine license on it.

06:00:45 decimation: mircea_popescu: he has a business model similar to bitcoin miners: http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/nov/05/virgin-galactic-seatholders-ask-for-refund-on-tickets

06:00:45 assbot: Some Virgin Galactic seatholders ask for refund on tickets after crash | Science | The Guardian

06:00:46 asciilifeform: this was not the lethal pill, but didn't help.

06:01:06 mircea_popescu: decimation well at least he knows how to make a small fortune.

06:01:10 asciilifeform: incidentally, my little birds whisper to me that he now owns symbolics tech. co.

06:01:13 asciilifeform: and is an nsa stooge.

06:01:33 mircea_popescu: see, here's the thing : we had these idiots in romania, too. the sort that could be millionaires as long as the public treasury poured a billion or two in theior pants

06:01:34 asciilifeform: (mallery. not branson)

06:01:36 mircea_popescu: with some regularity.

06:01:44 asciilifeform: but similar.

06:01:49 decimation: wonder what the nsa would do with ancient lisp machines

06:01:57 asciilifeform: it's no secret what they do.

06:01:59 asciilifeform: run them.

06:02:09 asciilifeform: (or what, light cigs with them?)

06:02:15 mircea_popescu: deny them to the chicoms ?

06:02:25 decimation: deny them to everybody?

06:02:32 mircea_popescu: why did the barbarian conquer the roman temple ?

06:02:44 mircea_popescu: so the other barbarian couldn't jack off to the marbles.

06:02:56 decimation: lol

06:02:56 asciilifeform: chicoms could be stamping'em out by the megatonne this friday if they wished it.

06:03:04 asciilifeform: i would personally help.

06:03:10 mircea_popescu: you just don't understand how thw world works.

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06:03:18 asciilifeform: !b 4

06:03:18 mircea_popescu: a pitbull will still try to take your toy

06:03:18 decimation: chicoms for some reason just want to reproduce shitty bezzletronics

06:03:26 mircea_popescu: even though you can just make a fucking toy factory

06:03:28 mircea_popescu: with its skull.

06:03:34 asciilifeform: aha.

06:04:18 mircea_popescu: incidentally, now that im apparently using it, wtf does chicom even mean ?

06:04:30 asciilifeform: china/communist

06:04:36 mircea_popescu: ah k

06:04:39 asciilifeform: vs. the other smaller one

06:04:53 asciilifeform: cn/tw

06:05:08 decimation: incidentally, there's a 2 hour podcast interview with Bil Herd of Commodore here (featuring that annoying australian): http://www.theamphour.com/222-an-interview-with-bil-herd-zany-z80-zygology/

06:05:09 assbot: An Interview With Bil Herd - Zany Z80 Zygology | The Amp Hour Electronics Podcast

06:05:25 asciilifeform: what mention of commodore corp. without old jack tramiel!

06:05:44 asciilifeform: auschwitz to cabbie to repair money to tech ceo with a brain, one of the last.

06:05:53 asciilifeform: (yes, auschwitz)

06:06:00 decimation: heh yeah, in the podcast Bil blames the death of commodore on Mr. Tramiel's exit from the company

06:06:35 *: asciilifeform wonders if auschwitz or mit had more notable 'alumni'

06:06:59 mircea_popescu: jew joke nao.

06:07:39 decimation: according to Mr. Herd - Jack Tramiel ran Commodore with an iron fist. When he left, only derps were around to pretend to fill his shoes

06:08:59 mircea_popescu: " I remember someone saying that if it hadn't been for automatic switches in the telephone network, the entire population of planet earth would have had to be telephone operators to handle the load of telephone usage in 1993 or thereabout. I get the eerie feeling that because modern computer systems are so incredibly braindamaged in their design and in the tools used to program them, the entire population of planet e

06:08:59 decimation: I didn't realize - apparently Commodore made their own silicon chips, and even made their own LCD screens

06:08:59 mircea_popescu: arth will be programming these idiotic boxes pretty soon if managers don't wise up to the fact that the equivalent of automatic switches already exist and have done so for at least 20 years. yet if Y2K doesn't light up most manager's view of the world of programming, there isn't hope for mankind at all."

06:09:05 mircea_popescu: lol. most kids today ARE coding

06:09:08 mircea_popescu: for the web

06:09:09 mircea_popescu: in .net vb

06:09:16 decimation: and .js!

06:10:12 asciilifeform: last i knew, commodore-64 still held the record for the greatest number of a particular design of computer ever built.

06:10:42 asciilifeform: (particular design - as in, same parts, same circuit)

06:11:14 asciilifeform: and this was on account of genuine popularity. no one buried these by the thousand in a desert.

06:11:34 asciilifeform: 'cheap and angry.'

06:12:05 asciilifeform: a few years later, the company tried selling what was, at the time, an 'actually nice' computer - 'amiga.'

06:12:07 decimation: according to Mr. Herd it was recently surpassed by the 'ipad' if you consider that to be a computer

06:12:08 asciilifeform: but - not compatible.

06:12:13 JorgePasada: Whatup nerds!?!?

06:12:15 asciilifeform: 'hysterical raisins.'

06:12:23 asciilifeform: decimation: which ipad? 1,2,3,4 ?

06:12:28 mircea_popescu: JorgePasada nothing much.

06:12:28 decimation: yeah I donno

06:13:23 decimation: here's some text from Mr. Herd (he was the hardware engineer for the c128) http://hackaday.com/2013/12/09/guest-post-the-real-story-of-hacking-together-the-commodore-c128/

06:13:26 assbot: Hacking the Commodore C128 with Bil Herd

06:13:56 asciilifeform: c128 was arguably the beginning of the end

06:14:12 asciilifeform: live by the trabambourghini, die by the trabambourghini.

06:14:24 asciilifeform: retool for lambo after trambo - not easy.

06:14:29 decimation: yeah, he admitted it was 9 lbs of shit in a 5 lb bag

06:14:31 asciilifeform: like starting life again.

06:15:01 decimation: in the podcast he said they should have produced the commodore LCD - which would have competed with the TRS-80

06:15:11 asciilifeform: when i came to usa, i saw a c128 in, of all places, a toy store.

06:15:17 asciilifeform: still don't know how it came to be there.

06:15:31 asciilifeform: that was the first and last time i ever saw one.

06:15:38 decimation: but apparently the fucktarded 'bitcoin ceo' who took over after Mr. Tramiel was speaking with the CEO of tandy who told him that here was "no money in portable computers"

06:15:39 asciilifeform: c64 - by the tonne.

06:15:43 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> in .net vb << In library school I was forced into this bullshit for a semester, final project I couldn't take it. Went FU here's a mono runtime in a jail and Visual C++ 6.0 that compiles to it because fuku

06:15:51 decimation: later that year the TRS-80 was a massive sales leader for tandy

06:16:29 asciilifeform: c128 article << shows wire wraps as if it were exotic

06:16:34 decimation: heh yeah

06:16:35 asciilifeform: you lot never did a wire wrap?

06:16:40 BingoBoingo: <decimation> later that year the TRS-80 was a massive sales leader for tandy << If you can point me to someone selling 90+ working samples... may be interested

06:16:43 asciilifeform: surely, just once, as a boy?

06:16:52 JorgePasada: Bah, getting kicked out of my friends place. Be back in 30. Been a while since I've been in here.

06:17:20 asciilifeform: what on earth does BingoBoingo want witj 90+ trash-eighties

06:17:29 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> surely, just once, as a boy? << I did the disposable camera to taser conversion wrapping to get taser voltages.

06:17:55 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: didja keep the ignition coil in the output?

06:18:16 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: didja keep the ignition coil in the output? << Shhhh....

06:18:18 decimation: I haven't wire-wrapped myself, no - only soldered. but I have considered getting into it

06:18:24 asciilifeform: yknow, the one that strikes the 5kv or so arc so the ~300v cap can discharge through ionized xenon

06:18:28 decimation: it seems like an ideal method for prototyping logic

06:19:07 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i've a story about those things.

06:19:28 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: as a student, bought disposable camera (those existed) with flash, late in the night

06:19:52 asciilifeform: girl was wearing a shitmetal ring, it broke in half

06:20:01 asciilifeform: tried to plasma-weld it back using the flash.

06:20:55 asciilifeform: well, just the cap.

06:21:19 asciilifeform: http://webspace.webring.com/people/gl/lemagicien/elecpage/maxflash/max01.jpg

06:21:21 asciilifeform: ^ one of these buggers.

06:21:42 BingoBoingo: Ah, so the only reason people bought those

06:22:01 asciilifeform: i've no idea why anyone else bought them.

06:22:07 asciilifeform: but i cannot recommend.

06:22:09 BingoBoingo: Malice and pranks

06:22:21 BingoBoingo: Only reasons I know

06:22:33 mircea_popescu: lesson for stan : next time girl breaks her ring, don't try to weld it back on her.

06:22:45 asciilifeform: [insert mircea_popescu's tale about soldering with matches here]

06:23:17 asciilifeform: eh how'll it stay on ifya don't weld it back in the right place, lol

06:24:03 asciilifeform: incidentally, i've always wanted a pack of slow-burning steel-tipped 'matches' you could solder with in the field.

06:24:16 asciilifeform: perhaps using the same magic found in self-heating tinned food

06:24:30 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> incidentally, i've always wanted a pack of slow-burning steel-tipped 'matches' you could solder with in the field. << SO story with those.

06:25:23 asciilifeform: pull the pin, it simmers along at 200C for half hour.

06:25:50 decimation: I've used butane soldering iron, works well

06:25:56 asciilifeform: also have.

06:26:09 asciilifeform: but - finnicky bugger, hisses, puffs, goes out in the rain

06:26:21 asciilifeform: no good for zombocalypsis.

06:26:22 mircea_popescu: lol

06:26:29 BingoBoingo: Younger dumber highschool me got pretty girl I'd been seeing pretty ring, and being youg poor white trash me I completely ignored subtexts in acquiring 10 gold ring with colored quartz rock. Girl got ideas, ring was rendered part of schoolbus floor

06:26:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3350 @ 0.00073218 = 2.4528 BTC [+]

06:26:38 *: asciilifeform does not wear rings today.

06:26:40 asciilifeform: pet doesn't either

06:26:45 asciilifeform: they get in the way of - work.

06:26:59 decimation: they also expose you to the risk of your finger flesh being ripped off

06:27:26 asciilifeform: ripped, roasted, zapped, amalgamated, dissolved, turned on lathe, milled off

06:27:37 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i don't get it, you got cvasi-married ?

06:27:56 asciilifeform: clippered, sheared, ionized.

06:27:58 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Her poorer, more white trash ass thought so.

06:28:08 mircea_popescu: why so harsh.

06:28:12 decimation: I found a titanium ring is good for me most of the time, completely anti-reactive to skin and also cheap

06:28:25 decimation: but solves none of the above problems

06:28:46 mircea_popescu: some professional lines require rings.

06:28:52 BingoBoingo: Everything is fun and games until poorer and more white trash tries to become a precondition for future life

06:29:15 asciilifeform: professional... rings << hollywood ?

06:29:37 mircea_popescu: holy shit... aluminum brass knuckles ?!

06:29:41 mircea_popescu: i dont even.

06:30:00 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> holy shit... aluminum brass knuckles ?! << WHere???

06:30:06 mircea_popescu: are these for afficionados, light enough to attach scope to ?

06:30:20 *: BingoBoingo waits for inevitable DU brass knuckles

06:30:27 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbrUnQPbpEU persay.

06:31:16 BingoBoingo: Wait, who seriously can't pirate Poor Man's James Bond vol. 1-4?

06:31:23 BingoBoingo: Why aluminium?

06:31:37 mircea_popescu: for scope.

06:31:42 mircea_popescu: only explanation possible.

06:31:49 asciilifeform: [insert 'tactical stick' here]

06:31:53 BingoBoingo: Why not wet sopping rag knuckle dusters, they'll have more mass

06:33:11 []bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Silver to fall under $15/oz before December 27th" http://bitbet.us/bet/1049/ Odds: 69(Y):31(N) by coin, 54(Y):46(N) by weight. Total bet: 3.5111 BTC. Current weight: 42,761.

06:33:55 decimation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kubotan

06:33:55 assbot: Kubotan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

06:34:15 BingoBoingo: So if anyone cares, gas prices in Middle APerica less stable than BTC at the moment.

06:35:16 asciilifeform: kubotan << see also демократизатор ('democratizer')

06:35:33 BingoBoingo: Kind of looking forward to more action on that front as the Saudis try to bankrupt US Bezzel "oil" men

06:35:57 BingoBoingo: <decimation> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kubotan << Mag lite

06:35:57 assbot: Kubotan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

06:36:14 decimation: lol " In April 2010 actor and entertainer Darren Day was found guilty of possessing an offensive weapon, namely a Kubotan-style keyring, by a court in Edinburgh.[4]"

06:36:36 decimation: so, usg & friends might arrest you if you carry a stick

06:36:44 asciilifeform: http://lurkmore.to/%D0%94%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80

06:36:44 assbot: Демократизатор — Lurkmore

06:37:10 decimation: asciilifeform: is that what russian cops use to beat hippies?

06:37:12 BingoBoingo: Only outside of a legitimate domicile. Within domicile even a fucking claymore sword is fair game.

06:37:17 asciilifeform: decimation: the very same.

06:37:44 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Russian batons... have a very dildonic look

06:38:07 asciilifeform: small translation: 'rubber cock. lever of perestroika. anal irritator. in the 2000s - stabilizator. also 'attitude adjuster'.'

06:38:19 assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3R1VHGS.txt )

06:38:19 BingoBoingo: !b 2

06:38:38 BingoBoingo: So... basically a kinder soldering iron alternative...

06:39:41 asciilifeform: linked article mentions a popular brand among ru police, 'argument.'

06:39:47 mircea_popescu: i wonder how many russian policemen used it to touch themselves.

06:39:57 assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3BN8DAH.txt )

06:39:57 BingoBoingo: !b 2

06:40:09 asciilifeform: and handcuffs sold under brands 'tenderness' (one prisoner) and 'tenderness-2' (hold five)

06:40:45 asciilifeform: this is ordinary, brw

06:41:24 mircea_popescu: anyway, all the excitement i can take. later all!

06:41:25 asciilifeform: tear gas was labeled under brand 'hackberry' (черёмуха)

06:41:28 *: asciilifeform also to bed

06:44:04 BingoBoingo: In this colony hackberry is ornamental tree https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtis_occidentalis

06:44:04 assbot: Celtis occidentalis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

06:46:57 *: BingoBoingo has formative memories of hackberry as tree that drops limbs everywhere and fucks shit up

06:52:04 cazalla: home again, not much news around by looks of it anyway so didn't miss much

07:01:18 cazalla: ;;isitdown qntra.net

07:01:23 gribble: qntra.net is up

07:01:51 cazalla: lies

07:33:54 ben_vulpes: holy hell i blink and 800 lines appear

07:34:05 *: ben_vulpes must catch up later

07:44:06 punkbot: [trust-update] no changes

07:56:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23370 @ 0.00073217 = 17.1108 BTC [-] {2}

08:34:39 cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/11/troubles-continue-for-canandian-bitcoin-miner-dominion-bitcoin-mining-company/

08:34:39 assbot: Troubles Continue For Canandian Bitcoin Miner Dominion Bitcoin Mining Company | Qntra.net

09:28:58 RagnarDanneskjol: [PDF Accountable Storage] https://eprint.iacr.org/2014/886.pdf

09:29:02 Duffer1: ;;isdown fraudsters.com

09:29:03 gribble: Error: "isdown" is not a valid command.

09:29:11 Duffer1: ;;isup fraudsters.com

09:29:14 gribble: fraudsters.com is down

09:34:49 punkman: RagnarDanneskjol: do you read all those papers you link?

09:35:02 RagnarDanneskjol: mostly yes

09:35:10 punkman: sounds like torture :P

09:38:28 RagnarDanneskjol: its fascinating for me. i really enjoy thorough research even if conclusions/methods are somewhat flawed

09:38:53 punkman: "we show how our Accountable Storage protocol can be integrated with Bitcoin, to support automatic compensations proportional to the number of corrupted bits at the server. We also build and evaluate our protocols showing that they perform well in practice."

09:39:06 punkman: have these people been outside the lab?

09:39:20 RagnarDanneskjol: ha! doubtful

09:39:32 punkman: oh hey 3 greek dudes in author list

09:46:34 punkman: punkman: have these people been outside the lab? < they use nlocktime, so no

09:50:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3981 @ 0.00073612 = 2.9305 BTC [+]

10:48:41 []bot: Bet placed: 2 BTC for Yes on "Silver to fall under $15/oz before December 27th" http://bitbet.us/bet/1049/ Odds: 80(Y):20(N) by coin, 66(Y):34(N) by weight. Total bet: 5.5111 BTC. Current weight: 42,527.

11:26:10 cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/11/introducing-introducing-neals-indiegogo-project/

11:26:10 assbot: Introducing "Introducing Neals" Indiegogo Project | Qntra.net

11:36:14 cazalla: !up Vexual

11:38:11 Vexual: call me rabbit

11:43:24 []bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Silver to fall under $15/oz before December 27th" http://bitbet.us/bet/1049/ Odds: 83(Y):17(N) by coin, 70(Y):30(N) by weight. Total bet: 6.5111 BTC. Current weight: 42,477.

12:11:25 cazalla: https://blog.coinjar.com/2014/11/05/andreas-m-antonopoulos-visits-down-under/ 30 minutes or so from where i live

12:11:26 assbot: Andreas M. Antonopoulos visits Down Under | CoinJar Blog

12:59:50 *: jurov just came from dentist.. one tooth, 45 minutes and total exhaustion of both me and doctor

13:01:42 jurov: !up Vexual

13:01:58 Vexual: extraction?

13:02:25 jurov: no, i don't know the term... hollowed down to the root and filled

13:02:37 Vexual: oh root anal

13:02:42 Vexual: *canal

13:02:46 jurov: lol

13:02:50 jurov: such slip

13:04:26 Vexual: my typos anent usuall so dumb

13:05:29 Vexual: did you get novocaine?

13:05:54 punkman: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=300809.msg3305064#msg3305064

13:05:55 assbot: FAQ on the payment protocol

13:06:06 punkman: "You should save the "Gavin is trying to impress evil institutional investors" mud-slinging for when I get around to laying out the argument for increasing the block size, because that would be closer to the truth."

13:06:43 cazalla: zzz night

13:07:04 jurov: no anesthetic needed fortunately

13:07:16 punkman: ah was it that dead

13:18:28 mats_cd03: gop wins senate majority

13:18:42 mats_cd03: i lose bitbet :<

13:30:13 punkman: kakobrekla: it seems i found 'the no guy' > http://bitbet.us/stats/14wqgUXyHpuzyuwfYssfeLuL1YtZpeVkcR/ << seems to start around the time I first mentioned it

13:30:13 assbot: BitBet Stats

13:31:56 punkman: yep, few days after, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-06-2014#726212

13:31:56 assbot: Logged on 20-06-2014 21:56:59; punkman: so I just put together something to test betting strategies on past bitbets and guess what, betting 0.1 on No on all resolved bets would result in a net gain of 9.7 BTC

13:39:49 jurov: http://mikegrim.wordpress.com/2014/11/04/an-easy-way-to-combine-the-power-of-net-and-java/

13:39:49 assbot: An easy way to combine the power of .Net and Java | mikegrim

13:40:04 jurov: let's port bitcoin to java on top of dotnet!

13:41:56 davout: jurov: gotta get these pretty swing windows in dotnet

13:44:15 punkbot: [trust-update] no changes

13:47:12 kakobrekla: thats no update

13:48:03 punkman: more of a heartbeat, should I remove?

13:48:36 kakobrekla: cant think of a good reason why not

13:49:40 bounce: that reads like the guy is a bit confused. then again, he certainly isn't the only one.

13:50:05 *: bounce subtly points out that you can run other things besides java on jvm too. like ruby, and python, and there's a lisp....

13:51:49 jurov: that was subtle suggestion of pytho->java->dotnet stack?

13:52:00 jurov: yean with random assortment of libraries on every layer

13:52:49 bounce: can we dotnet in javascript yet? with one of those nice accellerated js interpreters? It'll go lots faster that way, I'm sure.

13:52:56 bounce: s/dotnet/run &/

13:53:22 punkman: jsmess is pretty cool https://archive.org/details/internetarcade

13:53:23 assbot: Internet Arcade : Free Software : Download & Streaming : Internet Archive

13:55:42 punkman: but yeah if there's linux on js, you can probably do .net

14:09:13 wyrdmantis: ;;ident

14:09:13 gribble: Nick 'wyrdmantis', with hostmask 'wyrdmantis!57099fab@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.9.159.171', is identified as user 'wyrdmantis', with GPG key id 8B34AE9647FC7203, key fingerprint 146F3890EFFC6C796CB129BC8B34AE9647FC7203, and bitcoin address None

14:11:28 bounce: http://developers.slashdot.org/story/14/11/05/0530228/the-effect-of-programming-language-on-software-quality

14:11:30 assbot: The Effect of Programming Language On Software Quality - Slashdot

14:12:10 bounce: there, science tells you what language to use, the size of team to pick, and the size of commits to commit. get to it, slackers! thank science!

14:13:57 kakobrekla: http://i.somethingawful.com/u/garbageday/2014/phriday/scifi_placement/Palpek_33.gif

14:18:38 jurov: bounce: gotta pick the best from every language !!!11

14:21:18 bounce: that's more or less what the PHP "designers" think they're doing. so... if you want that, you know where to get it.

14:21:28 jurov: word

14:21:46 wyrdmantis: ahahah grreat gif kakobrekla

14:21:47 bounce: hm. php on jvm? maybe retarget that facebook php compiler thing?

14:32:35 kakobrekla: punkman> kakobrekla: it seems i found 'the no guy' > http://bitbet.us/stats/14wqgUXyHpuzyuwfYssfeLuL1YtZpeVkcR/ << seems to start around the time I first mentioned it < and they say pessimism isnt worth it.

14:32:36 assbot: BitBet Stats

14:37:40 kakobrekla: ok this shit is funny: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=269216.msg9415640#msg9415640

14:37:40 assbot: [BitFunder] IceDrill.ASIC IPO (235 Thash Mining Operation powered by HashFast)

14:37:53 kakobrekla: Blazedout419 (he is here in the chan) > I am sure will and deadterra have done quite well on this scam...

14:37:59 kakobrekla: while he carries another scam in the signature.

14:38:30 kakobrekla: congratulations, mister chump of 2014

14:38:43 mircea_popescu: lol wait wut ?

14:39:11 kakobrekla: (the gaw miner)

14:39:31 mircea_popescu: this plot is pretty thickened!

14:39:33 kakobrekla: such beauty last page: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=720844.3980;topicseen

14:39:33 assbot: GAW ZenCloud ZenPool Hashlet - does it really exist? ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :-)

14:39:34 punkman: "Stop holding my coins hostage, pay out my divs so I may reinvest them. I am loosing potential profit because of your practice. " << lol

14:40:32 kakobrekla: if someone has a working retard talk account, ping geegaw to come by ?

14:41:20 kakobrekla: >That's what sucked me in, I saw a lot of posts about 1-2 month ROI's so I bought my Zens retail from GAW @ 17.95 next day worked out my ROI 217 days, the very next day 1 year ROI (approx), next day retail Zens @ 14.95 and ROI infinity +1. Early adopters were given high, magic, above market payouts to lure suckers like me in, and it worked.

14:43:06 punkman: I thought magic cloud miners would autoscale

14:43:54 bounce: http://www.wired.com/2014/11/atlas-314-3-d-printed-guns-bullets/ <- how to make a plastic gun that shoots: use casing for substitute barrel

14:43:54 assbot: The Bullet That Could Solve 3-D Printed Guns' Reliability Problem | WIRED

14:44:02 mircea_popescu: " Early adopters were given high, magic, above market payouts to lure suckers like me in, and it worked." << duh.

14:44:41 mircea_popescu: <bounce> how to make a plastic gun that shoots: use casing for substitute barrel <<< pressed shit works just fine, when smeared on actually functioning machines!

14:45:03 mircea_popescu: https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net << now look what you did! cazalla & bingo

14:45:04 assbot: Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast

14:45:48 mircea_popescu: This site reaches over 3,428 monthly people, of which 2,111 (62%) yesterday.

14:46:08 bounce: "mobile web" + "online" = "web". dat distinction.

14:46:35 mircea_popescu: marketeers know words.

14:47:31 mircea_popescu: good thing mr police guy made me fucking move it.

14:47:35 mircea_popescu: else this'd be a ddos.

14:47:52 kakobrekla: eh? slashdot your target audience? top comment there: I bought one of these. It took a VERY long time to arrive, and only worked for a few weeks. I contacted them for warranty repair and they simply never responded after that. I am out around $3000.

14:47:58 bounce: so does quantcast count wordpress as "people"?

14:48:14 kakobrekla: you are basically talking to retard talk with green css

14:48:16 mircea_popescu: bounce what do you mean by "wordpress" ?

14:48:28 bounce: those pingbacks

14:48:32 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yes. it is a news venue. it talks to retards. this, we knew going in.

14:48:41 mircea_popescu: bounce if it counted that qntra'd be well above gawker this month.

14:49:00 bounce: sounds legit

14:49:14 punkman: you have to run the quantcast javascript to count

14:50:24 bounce: reimplement in php and submit as a patch to wordpress

14:50:39 mircea_popescu: i have nfi how they do traffic measuring these days. i have no doubt whatsoever that it can be gamed.

14:56:46 punkman: oh they have a fallback tracking pixel too

14:58:18 mircea_popescu: !up dgeats

15:07:20 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/fderp-october-2014-statement/

15:07:20 assbot: F.DERP October 2014 Statement pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

15:07:42 mircea_popescu: if anyoen wants to give a final look to the month's statements, please do. i'll be signing them and deeding them later today.

15:09:02 punkman: oh it's a verb now

15:09:31 mircea_popescu: it hastabe

15:09:54 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller fixed.

15:12:16 asciilifeform: bullet << http://world.guns.ru/ammunition/russian-special-cartridges-r.html (ru incarnation) or http://topwar.ru/21240-besshumnyy-patron-hm76-ssha.html (usa)

15:12:17 assbot: Современное стрелковое оружие мира - Специальные Российские патроны

15:12:17 assbot: Бесшумный патрон ХМ76 (США) » Военное обозрение

15:12:20 asciilifeform: long, long invented.

15:13:28 mircea_popescu: us creativity is an exercise in rebranding these days. http://fraudsters.com/2014/anonymous-derpage/ etc

15:13:28 assbot: Anonymous derpage pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

15:13:56 mircea_popescu: http://world.guns.ru/img/logo/logo_12.png << logo of word.guns.ru is... a pen.

15:13:59 mircea_popescu: because totally.

15:14:39 mircea_popescu: !up menahem

15:14:42 asciilifeform: both of the above historic examples also featured gas seal (piston pushed out bullet) and therefore silent.

15:15:52 menahem: yo pimps. :)

15:15:55 mircea_popescu: well yeah, if you're going to make a gun-cartridge might as well make it sealed.

15:16:02 mircea_popescu: and who might you be menahem ?

15:16:21 menahem: n00b following the rules set forth by good 'ol pete dushenski

15:16:22 asciilifeform: sealed shell was, iirc, a bitch re: disposal

15:16:36 menahem: reading logs, etc.

15:16:44 mircea_popescu: menahem is it any fun ?

15:16:56 asciilifeform: (had to be treated with care, crushed in specially designed compactor)

15:16:59 menahem: ha, yea. most of it is great, some stuff takes a few re-reads.

15:17:34 menahem: i've met a few bitcoin-assets ppl around the globe already, not knowing until later that they were all in the wot.

15:17:49 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what's wrong with just burying them in a pile ?

15:17:56 mircea_popescu: ;;ident menahem

15:17:57 gribble: Nick 'menahem', with hostmask 'menahem!~menahem@CPE705681c7a4c1-CMbc1401ee7d10.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com', is not identified.

15:18:01 mircea_popescu: so time to get in then.

15:18:10 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: brass was precious, must recycle

15:18:42 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: modern ru shells are, mostly, steel though.

15:18:42 mircea_popescu: oh.

15:18:51 menahem: lemme verify my id again. brb, heading to an office space. gracias for the welcome.

15:19:11 nubbins`: http://pastebin.com/8CwLzmVU

15:19:11 assbot: Hi folks, I'm a homeowner on XXXXX Street, and I'm writing to complain -- onc - Pastebin.com

15:19:13 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, wouldn't a continuous furnace be the best approach ?

15:19:33 nubbins`: ^ that's the email i wrote to the city

15:19:38 mircea_popescu: keep adding 1 cartridge/second, keep taking molten stuff out.

15:19:43 nubbins`: a couple councillors email back "we will notify the appropriate people" etc

15:20:02 nubbins`: then the MAYOR emails me back, CCing the city manager:

15:20:03 nubbins`: http://pastebin.com/jc8MTCFB

15:20:04 assbot: Dave Please arrange to have this removed immediately and billed directly to t - Pastebin.com

15:20:05 nubbins`: my sides

15:20:32 mircea_popescu: nubbins` is this slumlord the new official slur for this circumstance ?

15:20:36 mircea_popescu: !up rdekley

15:20:45 nubbins`: i can picture the old fart hove off on his couch w/ his ipad, smoking a cigar, "y'know what? enough IS enough"

15:21:02 nubbins`: mircea_popescu gotta call a diamond a diamond

15:21:17 mircea_popescu: nubbins` you know, the mayor response would be a better paste. we don't care what YOU said :D

15:21:30 nubbins`: too true, but bg info!

15:21:58 nubbins`: anyway, i pasted both, parse em as you will ;p

15:22:40 nubbins`: so i got that reply late last night. today, the city comes, picks up the trash out front, gets a ladder, and REATTACHES THE DECK TO THE HOUSE

15:22:41 nubbins`: my sides

15:22:42 mircea_popescu: "the XXXXX Street area is a shitty, needle-littered dump" << srsly ?

15:22:47 nubbins`: i gotta take a picture

15:23:03 nubbins`: mircea_popescu not as bad as i make it seem

15:23:13 nubbins`: but you do find needles from time to time

15:23:25 mircea_popescu: maybe it's from all the diabethics.

15:24:23 nubbins`: "fuck the sharps container, this one's going in the road"

15:24:26 mircea_popescu: https://xhellgirlx.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/tears.jpeg <<< saving this for later use.

15:24:51 nubbins`: feed that woman enough beans and she'd make a great espresso machine

15:25:08 mircea_popescu: ahahahhaha

15:25:51 mircea_popescu: true story : i once spent in excess of an hour inserting coffee beans one by one into girl butt. just to see what'd happen.

15:25:58 mircea_popescu: sadly, no espresso.

15:26:11 nubbins`: bet it was a crazy buzz tho

15:26:19 nubbins`: http://imgur.com/qtJv9ns

15:26:20 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

15:26:28 nubbins`: ^ that little bit of white trim is where the door used to be

15:26:53 nubbins`: anyway, good on the city, i guess; reattaching the deck is way cheaper than dismantling it and hauling it to the dump

15:27:14 mircea_popescu: north american houses look so shitty i swear.

15:27:47 nubbins`: plastic is the new wood

15:28:21 kakobrekla: Please arrange to have this removed immediately and billed directly to the

15:28:21 kakobrekla: property owner , no matter what the cost to the owner! Enough is enough! < ask for pgp signed statement, email isnt safe.

15:28:36 nubbins`: HEH

15:28:43 nubbins`: doc o'keefe don't give a fuck about no pgp

15:28:53 mircea_popescu: i'm giving even odds the guy doesn't end up paying for it.

15:29:09 kakobrekla: no, nubbins` will pay.

15:29:19 kakobrekla: (After some years)

15:30:00 nubbins`: i already pay plenty by living next to the guy

15:30:11 nubbins`: anyway, would be interesting to see how many prior invoices have gone unpaid

15:30:27 nubbins`: this is maybe the 5th time in 3 years i've made this happen ;/

15:31:14 mircea_popescu: generally, nubbins wars against people owning half the street go pretty predictable.

15:31:14 kakobrekla: just remember ascii; http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2014#909708

15:31:14 assbot: Logged on 04-11-2014 21:08:35; asciilifeform: the age-old mistake of provocateurs - thinking their master's promises are to be kept

15:31:52 nubbins`: mircea_popescu no doubt, but it's my duty

15:32:43 kakobrekla: next week will be "o wait, it costs 6k? no we are not paying for THAT. 6k is not "whatever it costs", its 3k more than that."

15:33:07 mircea_popescu: hehe

15:33:24 mircea_popescu: but no, coupla hours with a crew and a truck is what, 350 ?

15:33:34 nubbins`: union crew, buddy

15:33:35 nubbins`: try again

15:33:36 mircea_popescu: minimum wage is still 10 bux or so in canada neh ?

15:33:39 mircea_popescu: fuck that shit.

15:33:53 nubbins`: $10.25 in 2dl afaicr

15:33:59 nubbins`: varies by province

15:34:31 nubbins`: city workers prolly get 25-35/hr during business hours

15:34:39 mircea_popescu: right. 6 grunts for 2 hours + driver counted as 2 = 160 bux. 80 for the truck, provided you don't actually have a deal and get it for 6k or so a month.

15:34:49 mircea_popescu: 100 left over for profit.

15:39:07 mircea_popescu: http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/7751/10908969.jpg

15:39:54 nubbins`: heh

15:40:30 nubbins`: would love to see o'dea's face when he gets the bill

15:40:36 nubbins`: "deck reattachment: $200"

15:40:40 nubbins`: "...what?"

15:42:29 mircea_popescu: you missed the chance to put an i in there.

15:46:36 nubbins`: barring ambiguousness, pronouns should always be omitted

15:46:59 nubbins`: one thing the castellanos did right

15:47:05 jurov: nubbins`: just put a deck, too? you said you want it

15:47:25 nubbins`: i've already got a deck!

15:47:38 nubbins`: needs a bit of work tho ;/

15:48:03 jurov: so the solution is very easy

15:48:23 jurov: bribe the town crew to fix the yours one

15:48:25 mircea_popescu: nubbins` "dick"

15:48:33 nubbins`: heh

15:48:37 nubbins`: dicksurgery.ca

15:48:39 jurov: and watch it billed to him

15:48:52 mircea_popescu: lol "the yours one" j is adoooohrable!

15:49:21 jurov: oh

15:49:22 nubbins`: "yeah, o'dea said he was gonna buy a bunch of pizza and leave it out front, but he didn't...

15:50:32 nubbins`: enough is enough! order a jumbo meat lovers and send the donair sauce to the property owner!

15:55:41 jurov: !ud donair sauce

15:55:47 jurov: ;;ud donair sauce

15:55:48 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Donair | A Donair consists of a fried pita with shredded spiced beef cooked on a spit than covered in Sweet sauce ( Condensed milk , Sugar and vinegar) with...

15:58:03 mircea_popescu: putting sugar on meat wtf is wrong with people.

15:58:10 nubbins`: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZmMZVHkMoQ

15:58:11 assbot: The devil is real: little girl tells Christian preacher to shut up - YouTube

15:58:37 nubbins`: FWIW the "sweet sauce" has garlic as the main spice

15:58:57 nubbins`: mircea_popescu you don't dry-rub your briskets?!

15:59:04 punkman: I've never had one with sweet sauce

15:59:13 nubbins`: halifax-style donair sauce is the best thing

15:59:34 nubbins`: https://www.cfa.harvard.edu/~gpetitpas/Links/Donair.html

15:59:34 assbot: All things Donair: Halifax Donair Sauce, Donair Meat, Donair Subs, Donair Pizza Recipes (And Garlic Fingers?)

15:59:46 nubbins`: i like making a huge batch of donairs once or twice a year

15:59:58 mircea_popescu: nubbins` dry rub, yes. thyme-and-garlic.

16:00:05 nubbins`: no sugar?!

16:00:09 mircea_popescu: no sugar.

16:00:13 *: nubbins` shakes head

16:00:15 mircea_popescu: and it's fucking donner kebap what you're going for

16:00:18 mircea_popescu: not "donair"

16:00:24 mircea_popescu: comes from the danube.

16:00:26 nubbins`: i'm canadian, it's a donair.

16:00:48 mircea_popescu: where is that oglaf.

16:01:08 nubbins`: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doner_kebab#Canada

16:01:08 assbot: Doner kebab - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

16:01:09 nubbins`: 8)

16:01:13 nubbins`: bbl gotta go buy a donair

16:01:28 mircea_popescu: http://oglaf.com/muster/

16:01:29 assbot: Muster the troops

16:01:35 mircea_popescu: DON THE CROWN!

16:02:15 nubbins`: i still can't believe she wasn't a donair

16:02:15 mircea_popescu: k.o.d ? srsly ?

16:02:17 nubbins`: ok, peace

16:02:20 jurov: well... when i was in vancouver, my relatives there obviously knew better than to introduce us to poutine and donair

16:02:28 nubbins`: ;;google king of donair trailer park boys

16:02:28 gribble: King of Donair - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_of_Donair; King Of Donair Party - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WqEq-v1wu8; Trailer Park Boys Off-Set Filming Locations - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23OpCSxOUlE

16:02:39 jurov: only long after i discovered these "canadian foods"

16:02:53 mircea_popescu: jurov "what stupid poor people would eat if they had no mothers."

16:03:00 nubbins`: o wow

16:03:32 nubbins`: fun fact, poutine is a common "first solid food" for babies in northern canada

16:03:35 nubbins`: chew on THAT for a bit.

16:03:45 mircea_popescu: poutine is actually not that bad.

16:03:56 mircea_popescu: kinda normandy sort of thing, but hey.

16:09:21 mircea_popescu: "Bitcoin isn't a security, if they say it's a security, they would be the first government in the world to give Bitcoin that sort of value or endorsement." << reading between the lines, "leadership coach" that doesn't understand either bitcoin or his jurisdiction is shitting his pants.

16:10:13 mircea_popescu: punkman: have these people been outside the lab? << no dude, "corrupted bit" count totally is the correct proxy for insurance claims.

16:10:21 mircea_popescu: that's why car claims are based on square cms of ruined paint.

16:10:45 mircea_popescu: it's a shame that most people go to their graves with 99%+ intact bodies.

16:11:00 mircea_popescu: a sad testament to the poor quality of healthcare offered before obamacare became a thing.

16:13:10 mircea_popescu: ok, jurov's root anal / total exhaustion of all parties thing is in bash now. which i think jurov mods... so preemptive SCAM!

16:14:50 mircea_popescu: somehow the quotes collected together get FUNNIER than they were in the logs. http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=304 << had me laughing out loud.

16:14:51 assbot: #bitcoin-assets bash

16:14:53 punkman: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.ligi.satoshiproof&hl=en << prior art on deed system

16:14:56 thestringpuller: ;;seen cazalla

16:14:56 gribble: cazalla was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 hours, 8 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: <cazalla> zzz night

16:15:02 thestringpuller: damn i missed him

16:15:34 mircea_popescu: punkman not only am i not loading google js pilefest sites, but is the dude even in the wot ?

16:15:50 jurov: what's scammy on it?

16:16:00 jurov: on the root anal

16:16:36 mircea_popescu: well nothing yet

16:16:42 mircea_popescu: but maybe you don't approve it, how do i know

16:16:49 mircea_popescu: gotta be vigilant!

16:17:09 jurov: regardless it gets approved or not, i'll blame it on kako

16:17:28 punkman: oh never mind, they generate fake addresses like the first deedbot. http://vog.github.io/bitcoinproof/

16:17:28 assbot: Bitcoinproof

16:17:32 mircea_popescu: kako is responsible for like 40% of somalia's milk production.

16:17:47 jurov: that's not milk, but donair

16:17:51 mircea_popescu: punkman why do you care anyway ? it's done.

16:18:05 punkman: gonna write article eventually

16:18:12 mircea_popescu: oic.

16:18:49 mircea_popescu: waste of your time, trying to find someone do something useful before WE did it.

16:22:56 punkman: well someone had the idea in 2011 at least, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=52715.5

16:22:56 assbot: Using bitcoin for trusted timestamping?

16:23:42 jurov: kakobrekla you removed "cunt raw" before my eyes... you did not get it?

16:24:09 jurov: just say "cunt raw ex" aloud

16:25:27 mircea_popescu: jurov why "ex" ?

16:25:38 mircea_popescu: you think it's contravex ?!

16:25:45 jurov: wow, it has even another meaning?

16:26:15 mircea_popescu: lol!

16:26:50 mircea_popescu: this one is only there for russian speakers, because in english u never crosses the barrier to a, nor w (a sort of u) to v

16:30:21 kakobrekla: jurov i guess i dont find it bash worthy

16:30:40 kakobrekla: one thing to note jurov, when you approve, do them in order from top down

16:31:03 jurov: yea i know and did it

16:31:09 kakobrekla: sometimes i go through the pending list and just delete what i dont see worthy

16:31:35 kakobrekla: and leave the quotes that im not sure what to do with, or how to cut them

16:31:45 kakobrekla: for a later decision

16:32:05 mircea_popescu: punkman: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=300809.msg3305064#msg3305064 <<< nice find lol.

16:32:06 assbot: FAQ on the payment protocol

16:32:21 kakobrekla: i see you just flushed everything down the toilet

16:32:35 kakobrekla: mkay

16:32:44 jurov: no i actually accepted everything that was left

16:32:50 kakobrekla: yes

16:32:53 kakobrekla: that the toilet

16:32:54 kakobrekla: :D

16:32:54 jurov: oh that's what you mean

16:33:00 kakobrekla: the delete is the trash bin!

16:34:35 mircea_popescu: lol the bathroom life : either trash bin or toilet.

16:35:28 jurov: and qntra is the sink

16:35:38 kakobrekla: hehe

16:35:52 mircea_popescu: punkman fwiw, http://fraudsters.com/2013/and-gavin-moves-on-to-the-dark-side-the-bitcoin-project-is-officially-hijacked/ was july 2013.

16:35:52 assbot: And Gavin moves on to the dark side. The Bitcoin project is officially hijacked pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

16:36:00 mircea_popescu: then by october he was already making preparatory moves.

16:36:35 kakobrekla: <jurov> and qntra is the sink < bidet you mean prolly

16:37:38 mircea_popescu: pizdet

16:37:49 kakobrekla: is that how you call it in ro?

16:38:16 mircea_popescu: it ? which it ?

16:38:28 kakobrekla: pizdit

16:38:39 jurov: pizdet === bidet?

16:39:18 mircea_popescu: haha nah

16:39:18 jurov: or it's special bidet only for pizdas? and the other one is pulet?

16:39:46 mircea_popescu: well the bidet IS for pizde. and i guess for dudes cursed with a cock so short

16:39:52 mircea_popescu: it doesn't even reach the water in the normal wc.

16:40:23 kakobrekla: isnt bidet for ass?

16:40:29 kakobrekla: idk.

16:41:00 mircea_popescu: if you swing that way...

16:41:05 *: jurov feels fraudsters exhortation on private hygiene upcoming

16:41:23 kakobrekla: ;;google bidet ass clean

16:41:24 gribble: Clean Butt: http://www.cleanbutt.com/; Clean Butt!!! - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4MHdDGiYGs; Clean Your Butt with a Biffy - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_iizpAsczM

16:41:28 mircea_popescu: i should have called it trizdets

16:41:31 mircea_popescu: alas... too late.

16:41:44 kakobrekla: cleanbutt.com sez yes

16:41:59 mircea_popescu: bezzle butts, what do they know.

16:43:37 punkman: https://github.com/FactomProject/FactomDocs proof of existence, sidechains, bitcoin2.0 etc

16:43:38 assbot: FactomProject/FactomDocs · GitHub

16:44:10 mircea_popescu: oh, bitcoin 2.0 already ?

16:45:09 mircea_popescu: punkman honestly, i do not believe the empty wankfest of these schmucks "having ideas" and resolving theoretical problems in theoretical ways should in any shape or form be encouraged.

16:45:26 mircea_popescu: this dovetails into stans permabitch about the "mathematizing" and "proofs" issues in general computation theory

16:46:01 mircea_popescu: and on the other hand into the business side of "your ideas are worthless, and what your head produced can't even be called an idea in any sense" i used to rant about back in 2013ish.

16:46:46 mircea_popescu: kids need clear signals to be able to live their lives rather than dream their lives, and encouraging this stupidity is the wrong signal.

16:46:55 mircea_popescu: !up starzz_

16:47:08 starzz_: Hello. I want to join the cult

16:47:19 mircea_popescu: ok, you're in.

16:47:27 starzz_: lol

16:47:33 starzz_: will work for a rate

16:47:41 mircea_popescu: work doing what ?

16:47:50 starzz_: have a stupid article to write for qntra

16:47:59 mircea_popescu: write it, submit to cazalla

16:48:20 mircea_popescu: ;;ident starzz_

16:48:20 gribble: Nick 'starzz_', with hostmask 'starzz_!180f6af0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.15.106.240', is not identified.

16:48:29 mircea_popescu: heh. maybe get in the wot first eh.

16:49:02 starzz_: in there. Don't know why it's not showing up here (otc it did)

16:49:53 mircea_popescu: if gribble dun see you it dun see you. -otc -assets or anywhere else. maybe you disconnected.

16:50:45 mircea_popescu: mats_cd03: gop wins senate majority << wow srsly ?!

16:50:56 starzz_: Must be it. Thanks.

16:51:29 mircea_popescu: punkman: more of a heartbeat, should I remove? <<< yeah.

16:52:40 mircea_popescu: bounce: there, science tells you what language to use, the size of team to pick, and the size of commits to commit. get to it, slackers! thank science! <<< this science allowed me to win the lottery for fifty eight times in a row by always wearing the same shirt i wore when i won the first time.

16:54:34 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: http://i.somethingawful.com/u/garbageday/2014/phriday/scifi_placement/Palpek_33.gif <<< i can't believe libertard central is still pushing this "need government for roads!" dead meme.

16:54:56 mircea_popescu: seriously, you couldn't have dug up boston for a decade if there wasn't government to make it cost 10 trillion.

16:54:58 mircea_popescu: roads, yo!

16:55:50 mircea_popescu: meanwhile they're bitching about fossil fuels. here's an idea, libertard lobby : your understanding of bitcoin is going to fix the problem you imagine is "global warming". why hate ?

16:57:50 ben_vulpes: https://unsee.cc/sigaroze/ << i came home to a surprise celebration of...tuesday!

16:57:50 assbot: Unsee — Free online private photo sharing

16:58:00 mircea_popescu: soo, unrelatedly : the republicans now own the house, majority in the senate, a bunch more governors...

16:58:15 ben_vulpes: more importantly

16:58:18 ben_vulpes: yesterday was tuesday!

16:58:25 mircea_popescu: obama just went on a two year vacation, at a cost of a bunch of money.

16:59:17 ben_vulpes: usgpolitics boooooring

16:59:39 mircea_popescu: myeah. i remember the days a coupla years ago that used to be a part of the conversation.

16:59:47 mircea_popescu: incredible how much a few years change in the third world.

17:00:24 ben_vulpes: if we absolutely must talk uspolitics: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9Y24MFOfFU

17:00:24 assbot: Squeal - YouTube

17:01:07 mircea_popescu: such bad voice acting.

17:01:17 ben_vulpes: that she shakes her head while saying "i approve this message" made me lol.

17:01:46 mircea_popescu: `--- `--- `--- awkward patter bullshit with the headcharge movement to boot

17:02:12 mircea_popescu: it's gotten to the point where trying to be taught something in the us is a worse gambit than just not washing.

17:08:05 mircea_popescu: !up qntranet

17:08:15 qntranet: starzz again

17:08:47 qntranet: following the link to contact cazala

17:09:06 mircea_popescu: lol

17:09:30 qntranet: I know. Who knew? Just click the link and I'm qntra?

17:09:49 mircea_popescu: just so we know you came throug there.

17:10:04 qntranet: Oh. Okay.

17:10:27 mircea_popescu: google : "Barack Obama, Presidential term January 20, 2009 ?"

17:10:33 mircea_popescu: check it out, google is making a prediction.

17:13:56 qntranet: I've been reading you for a year. I'm learning how. I've signed onto otc & know how to get in wot

17:14:39 qntranet: I can afford to write an article. I don't have the 30 btc for Mpex (or I'd buy bitbet shares)

17:14:49 mircea_popescu: qntranet you can just use coinbr ?

17:16:07 qntranet: See. that's what us edumacation does for one lol

17:16:49 jurov: qntranet any suggestion where coinbr should be advertised?

17:16:56 jurov: so that people know about it?

17:17:25 qntranet: it's tough to break into the media.

17:17:28 mircea_popescu: jurov qntra, apparently.

17:17:34 qntranet: That's what I think my article might do.

17:17:35 punkman: jurov, mpex homepage :P

17:17:56 jurov: it is mentioned in the mpex faq

17:18:09 kakobrekla: jurov i think ppl dislike the ongoing costs associated with an account on cbr and advertising wont fix that. my humble opinion.

17:18:10 jurov: long past most people's attantion span, tho

17:18:21 qntranet: Remove the scare factor a little bit

17:18:31 qntranet: I know there are other people like me who get it

17:18:44 mats_cd03: https://coinbr.com/ref?c=E1L4DoSrAc << referral code

17:18:45 assbot: About CoinBr

17:19:03 qntranet: lol cd03

17:19:21 jurov: i know.. but still .. when there is only ~10 people who actually pay these 2 bitcents

17:19:35 jurov: i don[t believe it would be so much more when it's free

17:19:58 mats_cd03: i don't mind the bitcent fees tbh

17:20:19 kakobrekla: i just pass on what i heard.

17:20:20 mircea_popescu: jurov what is it, 2 bitcents / mo ?

17:20:31 jurov: yes. since november

17:20:46 mircea_popescu: eh, that's reasonable.

17:20:48 punkman: jurov, 0.1 year paid up-front might do better

17:20:48 jurov: plus another two per withdrawal

17:20:54 mircea_popescu: wtf, since when is 5 bux not free.

17:21:20 mircea_popescu: same people then derp all about how ipad is great, costs them a little more than 5 bux, delivers a lot less.

17:21:21 jurov: er.. since *last* november

17:23:03 kakobrekla: if 5 bux is change then you just get mpex acc its like 10 bux at the current btc price

17:23:20 jurov: kakobrekla wtf?

17:23:29 kakobrekla: which part

17:23:47 jurov: can't pinpoint

17:23:52 jurov: just rephrase it all

17:24:20 kakobrekla: ;;calc 30 * 300

17:24:21 gribble: 9000

17:24:23 kakobrekla: see, 10 bux

17:24:27 qntranet: thanks ya'll. I have a coinbr account to create.

17:24:52 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 30 / 0.02

17:24:52 gribble: 1500

17:24:54 jurov: these kakobux

17:25:03 mircea_popescu: today we find kakobrekla's cock is approximately 28 miles long.

17:25:16 kakobrekla: mebbe

17:25:30 mircea_popescu: makes long distance relationships that much easier for him.

17:25:51 kakobrekla: 28 miles is not that much easier

17:26:09 jurov: pity he lives it that part of world where you can't get 10 miles without encountering town or road

17:26:11 mircea_popescu: who else can fuck planes ?

17:26:42 kakobrekla: or a bear

17:27:08 jurov: planes? 28 miles is enough for orbital launch!

17:27:18 kakobrekla: anyway shutup i got work to do.

17:27:36 jurov: kako's preparing for another lauch

17:27:40 jurov: *launch

17:27:45 kakobrekla: lunch!

17:27:48 kakobrekla: omnom

17:27:51 jurov: suborbital jizz insertion

17:29:36 mircea_popescu: the ultimate face splat experience. you don;t even know whom it's gonna end up on!

17:29:56 jurov: ICJMs

17:31:05 jurov: !up CheckDavid

17:31:17 CheckDavid: Thanks jurov

17:31:41 CheckDavid: A while ago i saw a notification here about a gold bet placed on bitbet.us, but now i can't find it.

17:32:22 mircea_popescu: !s gold bitbet

17:32:23 assbot: 16 results for 'gold bitbet' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=gold+bitbet

17:32:28 punkman: http://bitbet.us/bet/1046/gold-above-1200-on-november-1st/ maybe

17:32:28 assbot: BitBet - Gold above $1200 on November 1st :: 1.07 B (66%) on Yes, 0.54 B (34%) on No | closed 2 weeks 3 days ago

17:32:46 jurov: when you put gold into the searchox, it won't come up?

17:33:20 mircea_popescu: "where should the searchbox advertise itself" is jurov's q.

17:44:16 CheckDavid: jurov: some gold bets come up, but i don't think its the one that i saw in the notification

17:44:56 mircea_popescu: CheckDavid maybe that one closed ?

17:45:17 CheckDavid: That's what i was thinking mircea_popescu

17:45:56 CheckDavid: Doesn't show up in closed either, but not impotant

17:47:09 []bot: Bet created: "Obama Impeached" http://bitbet.us/bet/1062/

17:52:40 mircea_popescu: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ab/2012nationwidecountymapshadedbypercentagewon.svg <<< all the experience playing WoL tells us anything about this map ?

17:53:58 punkman: for fellow snake charmers: http://pyrasite.readthedocs.org/en/latest/Shell.html

17:53:58 assbot: pyrasite-shell - Give it a pid, get a shell — pyrasite 2.0beta documentation

17:54:41 mats_cd03: i wonder what glad tidings gop congress will bring

17:56:36 mircea_popescu: basically, either they start taking obamacare apart or lose their mommentum

17:56:49 bounce: lovely error message: "Failed to connect to server. The reason may be that the encryption methods supported by the server are not enabled in the security preferences." -- but naturally, DO NOT EVER show the poor user the list of supported protocols, because, you know, having the user guess is much better than showing what you do know.

17:57:00 mircea_popescu: granted that dismating it now is probably the worst possible outcome, way worse than never having implemented it in the first place.

17:57:14 mircea_popescu: bounce "please upgrade"

17:57:31 mircea_popescu: it's constructed to support a certain ideology. that ideology does not include the user contributing anything.

17:57:53 kakobrekla: since when do you listen to cow moos

17:58:16 jurov: as for WoL.. did you ever do any giveaways on trolltalk? such as coinroll raffles, they made wonders

18:00:06 mircea_popescu: jurov put some numbers on those wonders ?

18:00:23 jurov: scrat put 100btc in, got several hundred out

18:01:03 jurov: if someone (mpif nudge wink) gave us some dought, i'm sure it could be repeated

18:01:08 jurov: *dough

18:01:30 mircea_popescu: so wait. 100 btc raffle resulted in >30k worth of bets from bitcointalk ?

18:01:44 jurov: yes

18:01:57 jurov: r dunno from where

18:02:23 mircea_popescu: i tell you i don't see it.

18:02:45 jurov: Namworld you around?

18:02:59 jurov: !up Namworld

18:03:18 jurov: he should know concrete numbers, it was tracked

18:03:36 mircea_popescu: anyway, there were all sorts of offers, matching gains, i dun recall it all.

18:03:38 mircea_popescu: didn't do much.

18:05:44 mircea_popescu: US $133,700 to turn the new album into an hour long musical anime

18:06:21 mircea_popescu: something's wrong here.

18:07:12 mircea_popescu: 70k frames at >1 dollar per frame ? i should make a korean drawing company.

18:08:13 mats_cd03: asciilifeform: know where i can find K&R 1st ed warez? ive only read 2nd ed, and i can't find the first through hefty googling.

18:08:14 jurov: http://www.milliondollarhomepage.com

18:08:16 assbot: The Million Dollar Homepage - Own a piece of internet history!

18:08:28 mircea_popescu: jurov what, is 2008 coming back in style ?

18:08:51 jurov: maybe that anime is done similar way

18:08:52 mircea_popescu: actually that was more like 2005 iirc.

18:28:29 The20YearIRCloud: What album?

18:40:49 asciilifeform: kakobrekla:jurov i think ppl dislike the ongoing costs associated with an account on cbr and advertising wont fix that << aha.

18:41:51 asciilifeform: k&r 1st ed. w4r3z that someone asked for >> http://read.pudn.com/downloads124/ebook/525708/C_Programming_Language.pdf

18:42:08 asciilifeform: ^ censored from 'google' incidentally.

18:43:28 mats_cd03: my hero

18:45:19 asciilifeform: note that classical 'k&r' variant of the language used a now-archaic function declaration style. that extant compilers have less than perfect support for.

18:45:44 asciilifeform: other than that, it's a perfectly living book.

19:02:07 *: bounce ran into an open tab with the purported cex/ghash sec letter. can't help but wonder what happened next.

19:03:36 kakobrekla: bounce they upped their advertising cannons.

19:03:54 kakobrekla: get as much chumps before they need to dox them

19:04:36 bounce: so no meaningful reply except a stream of dox to be expected then. right.

19:05:15 bounce: kinda curious since they're apparently registered in london.

19:05:39 kakobrekla: well buttstamp gives dox to usg

19:05:53 kakobrekla: so they can be a part of their averaged out ticker

19:06:06 kakobrekla: and they are in eu/uk/si

19:07:39 kakobrekla: bitstamp is legal by being retarded evil scammers

19:07:47 kakobrekla: so much for regulation

19:08:39 bounce: wonder if you could get away with telling the SEC, "we're being regulated by the bitcoin regulatory foundation so talk to them, not us."

19:10:10 kakobrekla: you mean MP? :D

19:10:58 cazalla: damn BingoBoingo, you were not kidding about that quantcast.. i had to get up early and chase the rubbish truck down the street as someone forgot to put the bins out last night :\

19:13:27 asciilifeform: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-orgmode/2013-03/msg01535.html << when the firing squads at last for folks such as these?

19:13:27 assbot: Re: [O] Errors after upgrading emacs to 24.3.1 and org to 7.9.4

19:14:01 asciilifeform: (for the malefactors who give cause for such discussions, not the participants therein)

19:15:19 asciilifeform: and an advance fuckyou to anyone who might bitch, 'you whine about modeline vs. mode-line but you even want to switch to trinary computer and no existing soft.'

19:16:29 asciilifeform: to which i answer: toilet - is good to have. kitchen sink - also good. toilet and kitchen sink hybrid - no thanks. the 'middle ground' is an idiot delusion, generally.

19:20:47 chetty: asciilifeform, hahahaha best explanation of that I have heard, I am gonna steal it

19:21:20 asciilifeform: chetty: al schwartz had the ultimate mindfucker of an explanation:

19:22:00 asciilifeform: chetty: n-dimensional sphere, as n increases, has increasingly greater fraction of its volume closer and closer to the surface.

19:22:21 asciilifeform: chetty: (if you don't believe this - work it out!)

19:23:01 asciilifeform: chetty: hence, 'extremist' solutions, as dimensions are added to a problem (seen as a 'spherical horse' of course) are largely where the answers lie.

19:23:14 asciilifeform: chetty: and not in 'moderation.'

19:23:43 asciilifeform: chetty: unfortunately schwartz's original essay appears to be lost in the burned library of googlexandria - usenet archive.

19:24:03 chetty: all very true, but not as much fun as the first one asciilifeform

19:25:16 asciilifeform: chetty: more fun. because in many cases you can blow idiots straight out of the water, with rigorous mathematical rocket, with it.

19:26:14 chetty: hmmm and when you put that together with the overton window ...now I got to think some

19:27:23 chetty: unfortunately not that many people can follow the math of it

19:30:37 asciilifeform: this was not real maths! strictly first grade.

19:31:33 asciilifeform: if you understand pythagorean theorem, you can do this one.

19:32:59 chetty: I seem to find a lot of people that cant even make change

19:33:47 asciilifeform: chetty: i'd love to know who is behind the delusion that 'mathematical ability' is the ability to mentally crunch small numbers quickly.

19:34:29 chetty: haha, yeah it doesn't really mean that much, but it does put me off trying to explain things

19:36:00 chetty: anyway if you think about the overton window only letting you see the middle parts of the sphere it does explain a lot

19:39:27 asciilifeform: incidentally,

19:39:35 asciilifeform: http://francis.naukas.com/files/2013/05/dibujo20130521-counterexample-to-euler-s-conjecture-on-sums-of-like-powers1.png?w=584 << good mathlol

19:40:17 asciilifeform: ^ possibly shortest interesting academpaper ever.

19:40:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2450 @ 0.00070575 = 1.7291 BTC [-]

19:41:36 ben_vulpes: jurov: i just pinged the turdolator and didn't get a bounce and don't see it in the archives.

19:41:39 *: ben_vulpes is confus

19:41:39 chetty: now that one makes my head hurt :P

19:44:24 punkbot: [trust-update] no changes

19:54:27 ben_vulpes: salud Pierre_Rochard

19:54:41 Pierre_Rochard: salud

19:58:17 thestringpuller: Pierre_Rochard how is work. What was for lunch today? ;)

20:00:36 Pierre_Rochard: thestringpuller: work is going well, we just moved half the employees to the other side, of I have an office to myself now. Just sandwiches

20:00:50 Pierre_Rochard: so I have*

20:02:12 thestringpuller: fancy new office! always a good day.

20:05:12 kakobrekla: toilet and kitchen sink hybrid - no thanks. < toilet and bidet hybrids do well in china

20:05:38 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: thought it was a jp thing

20:05:51 kakobrekla: oh it might be jp sry

20:47:22 The20YearIRCloud: So how goes it everyone

20:53:14 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, whoever else: has anyone taken an interest in actually making the turd vaguely usable? namely, plugging the leaks (yes, all of them) and zapping the idiotic db corruption (supposedly 'rare': http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/a/2051)

20:53:14 assbot: Page Not Found - Bitcoin Stack Exchange

20:54:12 nubbins`: !s preferred syntax highlighting style

20:54:13 assbot: 1 results for 'preferred syntax highlighting style' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=preferred+syntax+highlighting+style

20:54:23 nubbins`: asciilifeform ^

20:55:01 asciilifeform: nubbins`: we are far, far from the point where the answer to this question matters.

20:55:32 ben_vulpes: memory leaks for your book?

20:55:58 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: what we have now is unusable crud.

20:56:15 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: as in it cannot be used, at all.

20:57:25 ben_vulpes: because it fails to bring the whole chain down?

20:57:46 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: that, and it leaks memory. which means human intervention required.

20:58:07 nubbins`: something tells me this book ain't getting done by nov 15 ;D

20:58:25 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: actually in its wedged state it leaks so rapidly that it soaks up 8GB in six or so hours. while failing to fetch any blocks.

20:58:34 nubbins`: :0

20:59:28 nubbins`: meantime, i may have something special lined up for the cover

20:59:35 ben_vulpes: damn.

21:00:15 nubbins`: it'll make an o'reilly cover look like Dick & Jane

21:03:57 mircea_popescu: nubbins` how was the donairine

21:04:25 mircea_popescu: !up fordlincoln

21:05:10 nubbins`: i settled for a meat sub instead

21:05:19 nubbins`: didn't have time for a donair ;/

21:05:27 mircea_popescu: bounce: wonder if you could get away with telling the SEC, "we're being regulated by the bitcoin regulatory foundation so talk to them, not us." << depends on what you mean by get away.

21:05:48 ben_vulpes: i wonder if 0.6.3 shows the same behavior.

21:05:50 mircea_popescu: nubbins` isn't this fast food ?

21:06:07 ben_vulpes: not that moving forwards to "version number" parity with the rangers is in any way a good idea, just to handle this crud.

21:06:08 nubbins`: fast to order... eating it in a reasonable amount of time is the problem

21:06:19 nubbins`: you need like 30-45 minutes to eat a donair

21:06:50 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol asci-ilifeform

21:06:56 cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/11/im-patrick-murck-and-welcome-to-jackass-2-0/

21:06:56 assbot: I'm Patrick Murck And Welcome To Jackass 2.0 | Qntra.net

21:07:19 cazalla: i'll keep pasting em seeing scoopbot no longer has the scoop

21:07:51 mircea_popescu: yeah srsly.

21:09:13 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: chetty: n-dimensional sphere, as n increases << this is actually interesting to work out.

21:09:53 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i deliberately left the proof as exercise for the interested readers.

21:09:58 mircea_popescu: the area (ie, 2d volume) of a circle (ie, 2d sphere) is pi r ^ 2. the area of a circle half as big ? pi (r/2) ^ 2. so therefore 3/4 of the sphere's volume is within the tophalf of its radius.

21:10:08 mircea_popescu: in 3d, that proportion moves to ... 7/8.

21:10:11 mircea_popescu: and from there ownards.

21:11:05 mircea_popescu: the tophalf of a sphere always holds (2^n-1)/2^n of the volume.

21:13:33 bounce: http://stopthecap.com/2014/11/04/suck-americas-worst-broadband-cities-includes-upstate-new-york-much-ohio/

21:13:33 assbot: You Suck: America's Worst Broadband Cities Include Most of Upstate New York, Much of Ohio • Stop the Cap!

21:13:54 bounce: not sure why this concentrates on "cities of at least 50k households"

21:14:04 mircea_popescu: lol i bet half of africa has better internet than half of ny state.

21:14:25 bounce: if you count facebook-only mobile "internet"

21:14:43 mircea_popescu: bounce you'd be surprised.

21:15:05 mircea_popescu: really, most of the "poor countries" are basically ohio minus us style cops. bout same facilities and amenties.

21:15:26 bounce: but it's all the more poignant for the excellent backbone infrastructure that really doesn't exist in africa

21:16:06 mircea_popescu: it's one thing to have shitty internet because you can't afford to lay cable.

21:16:16 mircea_popescu: it's another because... uh... whatever the whiteplains excuse is.

21:16:32 bounce: I have no idea what is or isn't available in ohio

21:16:44 asciilifeform: ... can't afford to lay cable.

21:17:10 asciilifeform: as for why not wireless - easy answer. cheap wireless would mean that folks with more money would not be 'sheared' adequately.

21:17:11 thestringpuller: !up m4rCsi

21:17:23 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform :p

21:17:24 asciilifeform: same reason why cheap housing is verboten.

21:17:31 nubbins`: huly fu-u-u-u-u-ck it takes a long time to download the blockchain

21:18:04 z33andO_o: that's because it's not really p2p software, bitcoin-core picks 1 node and downloads all from it

21:18:13 z33andO_o: if you pick a slow one then it takes ages

21:18:51 mircea_popescu: z33andO_o that's a good point incidentally.

21:19:08 nubbins`: wat.

21:19:09 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes that's another one for the endless list : fix the motherfucking p0p implementation so it actually is p2p

21:19:11 mircea_popescu: yes.

21:19:13 bounce: the US does have a habit of starting some community initiative only to see it lobbied into the ground because it would be "unfair" to overpriced unwilling monopolistic large corporations

21:19:15 nubbins`: jesus

21:19:56 mircea_popescu: bounce and vice-versa.

21:20:32 mircea_popescu: z33andO_o who're you btw ?

21:20:39 z33andO_o: xiando

21:20:40 mircea_popescu: oh nm

21:20:41 mircea_popescu: :p

21:20:58 asciilifeform: if sewer systems were introduced for the first time in today's usa, they would be an exotic and unobtainable thing. because would be unfair!!!11!! to 'private enterprise' fleets of honeywagons carting shit away for a dollar a turd.

21:21:35 mircea_popescu: nubbins` satoshi's origina, likely defensible call was that "hack it this way so it works, fix later when more manpower"

21:21:48 mircea_popescu: obviously usgavin then failed to deliver on this, as on anything else. another broken promise.

21:22:16 nubbins`: nod

21:22:25 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform bitcoin is being introduced today for the first time, plays out exactly as described.

21:22:27 nubbins`: seriously tho, i'm downloading blocks over fiber at 60KB/s

21:22:28 mircea_popescu: internet before that.

21:22:34 mircea_popescu: nubbins` flush the node.

21:24:28 nubbins`: only thing i know how to flush is the toilet

21:24:59 mircea_popescu: block its ip in your firewall. most likely result bitcoind hickups for a minute and moves on.

21:25:24 mircea_popescu: obviously exact result can not be known, because the specification is gavin's mother's cunt.

21:25:32 mircea_popescu: i mean software.

21:26:04 nubbins`: a a a

21:26:32 nubbins`: yeah, see, bitcoind crashes ~1x daily on this vm

21:26:43 nubbins`: i'm assuming it grabs a diff node each time

21:26:45 nubbins`: they're all slow as shit

21:26:51 mircea_popescu: that's only 3-400x a year!

21:26:54 nubbins`: :D

21:27:06 nubbins`: 60KB/s is probably the best upload speed i'll ever get from some random user

21:27:30 mircea_popescu: possibly canadian fiber runs on poutine ?

21:27:42 nubbins`: w/e it runs on, it works

21:27:52 mircea_popescu: did you rub sugar on it today ?

21:28:12 nubbins`: nope, crisco

21:28:19 bounce: can you force what node it'll fetch the blockchain from?

21:28:19 nubbins`: 5.7MB/s over wifi

21:28:24 mircea_popescu: lol crisco is for cisco ?

21:28:27 nubbins`: heh

21:28:34 nubbins`: the r is silent

21:28:39 bounce: would be worth it to trace a couple yourself and pick a good one, then force-feed it

21:28:43 mircea_popescu: bounce yes, actually, by editing the fallback list and wiping its other methods of acquisition

21:28:44 nubbins`: ("kissco? the fu...")

21:28:57 mircea_popescu: there are other methods

21:29:31 nubbins`: not like this isn't a fool's errand anyway, if it's gonna clam up at block 250k

21:29:40 nubbins`: but hey, to boldly go

21:29:44 mircea_popescu: (said fallback list being another thing that should go away, but iirc this was mentioned)

21:30:11 bounce: something to drop on a todo list in a wiki or something

21:30:27 nubbins`: provide text file w/ trusted nodes as argument or smth

21:30:46 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: and zapping the idiotic db corruption <<< there is more to this story, i doubt it's just "corruption". sadly i dun have the smoking gun.

21:31:30 bounce: or, well, start with dropping the things on the ml, it's there for this sort of thing

21:31:34 mircea_popescu: but if there was a candidate for "magic packet" undocumented behaviour of the subverted gavin-bitcoin, this is it.

21:31:54 nubbins`: http://www.speedtest.net/result/3886931652.png

21:32:02 mircea_popescu: i r believ you nubbins` !

21:32:09 nubbins`: the proof is in the ping!

21:32:32 nubbins`: not sure what i'd get if i hooked up a wire

21:32:37 nubbins`: suppose it doesn't matter

21:32:56 mircea_popescu: nubbins`: it'll make an o'reilly cover look like Dick & Jane :D

21:33:43 mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/1062/obama-impeached/ << even money eh ?

21:33:43 assbot: BitBet - Obama Impeached :: 0.28 B (58%) on Yes, 0.21 B (42%) on No | closing in 11 months 2 weeks | weight: 99`955 (100`000 to 1)

21:33:47 nubbins`: http://www.brightok.net/~wdmorgan-ss/Books/TransferFolder/CoverFWDAJ.jpg

21:33:57 nubbins`: fun /with/ dick and jane

21:34:12 nubbins`: side note: that's a silkscreened cover

21:34:22 mircea_popescu: yeah i was thinking, why em the "with"

21:35:23 nubbins`: you'd see this occasionally in old letterpress shit, where the publisher ran outta type in the given font

21:35:28 nubbins`: but silkscreen? nfi

21:35:46 mircea_popescu: i think ima make a list of romanian cursing. the internet is appalling.

21:39:30 bounce: maybe the same reason why "modern" word-produced turds end up with more fonts than words

21:39:55 thestringpuller: ;;ticker

21:39:56 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 340.11, Best ask: 340.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.88000, Last trade: 340.99, 24 hour volume: 15372.53022261, 24 hour low: 326.71, 24 hour high: 344.17, 24 hour vwap: 337.428263329

21:40:03 cazalla: http://www.illawarramercury.com.au/story/2677538/the-woman-taking-on-coles-in-a-landmark-case/ But Ms Mesnage encountered a number of problems with the Coles website, including being unable to select a delivery time for her groceries and complex navigation that meant it could take up to eight hours to place an order.

21:40:05 assbot: The woman taking on Coles in a landmark case | Illawarra Mercury

21:40:23 cazalla: imagine having to build your website to accomodate such people or get your shit handed to you

21:41:32 mircea_popescu: in other news, "man can't find door, sues shop"

21:41:45 nubbins`: groan, eyeroll

21:43:02 asciilifeform: not like this isn't a fool's errand anyway, if it's gonna clam up at block 250k << i actually have most of a patch for purely configurable block pumping. but shelved it and everything else for this reason.

21:46:33 bounce: and the block problem is a DB handling problem, wasn't it? making swapping DB thingies a bit of a priority.

21:49:06 mircea_popescu: bounce no apparently they ran into an earlier issue

21:49:08 mircea_popescu: !up piznit

21:51:43 asciilifeform: they ran into an earlier issue << likely involves db corruption. see earlier link, ~1hr ago

22:06:17 asciilifeform: "magic packet" undocumented behaviour of the subverted gavin-bitcoin << can't rule this out, but this would play straight into my 'clever buggers after all' hypothesis.

22:13:32 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by thestringpuller: http://qntra.net/2014/11/introducing-a-new-bitcoin-foundation/

22:13:49 cazalla: you got the scoop this time scoopbot

22:14:46 asciilifeform: jurov's site still has the 1blabla... contract!

22:15:03 asciilifeform: jurov: fix it before all the qntra readers laugh

22:15:20 kakobrekla: ha ha.

22:15:22 kakobrekla: too late.

22:17:24 *: kakobrekla just dutifully rains on parade

22:18:36 assbot: Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2TWKCJT.txt )

22:18:36 BingoBoingo: !b 4

22:19:51 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: (from qntra) 'our project will likely discard the entire GUI in the near future' << already gone

22:20:21 punkman: was playing with vanitygen, found a 1tits address that also says "how hot" in private key

22:20:37 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: unless, naturally, we're waiting for the turdatron where we can all sign on the patches thus far (i'm all in favour)

22:22:48 ben_vulpes: there's that for sure

22:22:55 ben_vulpes: there's also a discussion to have about how to distribute

22:23:13 ben_vulpes: when merge, how number, method of dist etc

22:23:16 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: distribute what?

22:23:32 ben_vulpes: merged set of patches

22:23:48 ben_vulpes: or nothing, you know

22:23:53 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: at the moment i'm leaning against the idea of distributing binaries of whatever kind being a good one

22:24:03 ben_vulpes: mhm yeah i dig

22:24:09 ben_vulpes: but how about source?

22:24:21 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: anyone who is genuinely serious about using bitcoin should be able to build it. it isn't rocket surgery.

22:24:35 ben_vulpes: sure absolutely.

22:24:46 ben_vulpes: i'm talking about distributing a sourceball with patches merged.

22:24:52 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: as for source/patches, any turdbrigade member can put up unofficial mirror.

22:24:58 ben_vulpes: could deem this unnecessary, but...

22:25:04 ben_vulpes: as you did, i note!

22:25:27 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: at the very minimum, one ought to live on jurov's site. (at present, i don't see it there.)

22:26:51 BingoBoingo: <bounce> the US does have a habit of starting some community initiative only to see it lobbied into the ground because it would be "unfair" to overpriced unwilling monopolistic large corporations << No, it happens. You just need a town that can get away with it. Muni internet exists here and had no serious opposition.

22:28:19 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: u.s. towns in this case are either prey or small change. tertium non datur.

22:29:30 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what would be truly astonishing would be - municipal gsm. but pig's chance of flight.

22:29:35 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: u.s. towns in this case are either prey or small change. tertium non datur. << Small, affluent compared to the surrounding error.

22:29:48 PeterL: was there a consensus as to if I should add prestonbryne.com to scoopbot's list?

22:29:51 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: what would be truly astonishing would be - municipal gsm. but pig's chance of flight << Aha!

22:30:20 BingoBoingo: <PeterL> was there a consensus as to if I should add prestonbryne.com to scoopbot's list? << Prolly not, he stops by here very rarely.

22:30:45 BingoBoingo: !t m s.qntr

22:30:46 assbot: [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0.00015 / 0.00015 / 0.00015 (200 shares, 0.03 BTC), 7D: 0.00013514 / 0.00013704 / 0.00015 (4111 shares, 0.56 BTC), 30D: 0.00013514 / 0.00013704 / 0.00015 (4111 shares, 0.56 BTC)

22:54:02 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/how-to-curse-cuss-out-and-swear-in-romanian-like-a-romanian-this-means-like-you-know-what-youre-doing-to-avoid-saying-professionally-with-structural-explanations-a-strategy-guide-plus-pro/

22:54:02 assbot: How to curse, cuss out and swear in Romanian, like a Romanian (this means, like you know what you’re doing to avoid saying “professionally”). With structural explanations, a strategy guide plus pronounciation revealed! pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

22:54:22 mircea_popescu: !up satdav

22:55:17 satdav: Thanks mircea_popescu

22:55:26 mircea_popescu: sure. who're you ?

22:55:34 satdav: $register

22:56:11 satdav: I am a member of Firefox support team

22:58:11 mircea_popescu: o hey.

22:58:38 mircea_popescu: is it hard work ?

22:58:47 satdav: mircea_popescu: how do I register on gribble

22:59:00 mircea_popescu: ;;google first steps in bitcoin-assets

22:59:01 gribble: start [bitcoin assets wiki]: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/; #bitcoin-assets log: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/; Why the IRS Is Taxing Bitcoins as an Asset - The Motley Fool: http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/03/26/why-the-irs-is-taxing-bitcoins-as-an-asset.aspx

22:59:10 satdav: Yes very hard at times

22:59:20 mircea_popescu: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets <

22:59:20 assbot: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]

23:04:34 satdav: mircea_popescu: is their windows setup for this

23:04:55 mircea_popescu: hm ?

23:06:13 BingoBoingo: <satdav> mircea_popescu: is their windows setup for this << If you must use GPG on windows at least compile it yourself. The extant gpg4win binaries have a dubious reputation

23:09:19 nubbins`: http://i.imgur.com/N7K36Kw.jpg

23:09:55 jurov: ben_vulpes" i told you several times: s'il vous plait, do register with the mailman. it will *not* register you automatically1

23:09:58 jurov: !

23:10:21 jurov: i am registered and did get your email fine

23:10:24 *: nubbins` idly considers opening a sports shop named "s'il vous play"

23:11:57 nubbins`: See vous play. Play, vous, play.

23:12:12 nubbins`: fun with Dick and Vous

23:12:33 mircea_popescu: Mousse de Vous.

23:13:33 ben_vulpes: !

23:13:38 ben_vulpes: i coulda sworn that i'd done that.

23:14:33 mod6: ;;ticker

23:14:36 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 339.55, Best ask: 339.56, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 340.22, 24 hour volume: 15598.84432357, 24 hour low: 328.6, 24 hour high: 344.17, 24 hour vwap: 338.047285763

23:15:00 jurov: maybe you did not finish

23:15:15 jurov: in the second email there is a link,

23:15:22 jurov: on that link there is a button

23:15:25 jurov: or two

23:15:38 jurov: and only after clicking it you're in

23:15:51 jurov: you wanted rigor, gotta have rigor

23:16:15 mod6: thanks for getting the address setup for the foundation jurov & for signing on to be the treasurer for the Foundation

23:16:24 *: ben_vulpes checks spam

23:17:18 jurov: oh and please kindly send me or to deedbot your signed contracts

23:17:26 ben_vulpes: rgr will do

23:17:36 mircea_popescu: to deedbot

23:17:51 satdav: You guys should register as a freenode group also

23:18:05 mircea_popescu: satdav freenode is dead, basically.

23:18:20 mircea_popescu: i've been trying to get them servers for a coupla years now.

23:18:47 mod6: jurov: do you mean my signed charter? http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/1MXeLHi5

23:18:47 assbot: Bundle 1MXeLHi5 | #bitcoin-assets deed registry

23:19:10 satdav: Lol mircea_popescu its hard for servers for irc ddos

23:19:18 mircea_popescu: wait, what ?

23:19:30 ben_vulpes: mod6: treasurer contract?

23:19:36 jurov: no, the treasurer's contract so that there are no ugly 404s from the bottom links

23:19:46 jurov: but wait, i'll update id with deed info

23:19:50 jurov: *it

23:19:55 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes mod6 you're supposed to sign his thing too

23:20:04 mod6: yeah ok.

23:20:05 dub: wat

23:20:06 mircea_popescu: otherwise it's just, "jurov has self-appointed himself"

23:20:14 mod6: *nod*

23:20:15 jurov: lol

23:20:32 mod6: Has the document been updated with the address et. al?

23:20:36 ben_vulpes: mitm!

23:20:37 jurov: mmnt

23:20:45 mircea_popescu: incidentally, in a decade or two once gpg ios the only basis of commerce, identity and general life, that's going to be the #1 scam : here's this document. it's signed. just by me.

23:20:59 mod6: mp: werd.

23:24:06 mod6: we'll get it done asap

23:24:45 jurov: http://therealbitcoin.org/treasurer_contract.html it's there

23:25:15 mod6: yeah got this: http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/deed/9ULZPc7yeZ9fQEA1aZ73H6mcv1s2C4gYFAbNTb5urovj

23:25:15 assbot: Deed 9ULZPc7y | #bitcoin-assets deed registry

23:44:38 jurov: ooh I now get what was the REFERENCES for ... not for itself, but for the charter

23:44:51 jurov: if nobody else does, will fix it tmrw

23:44:57 jurov: laterz!

23:57:50 mod6: ah, yeah.

23:58:11 mod6: is there a way for someone to revoke their signed deed?

23:58:36 mod6: we need the three of us to sign that contract with the REFERENCES section in there

23:59:15 mod6: anyone whom already submitted might need to re-submit, not sure if there is a way to pull previously submitted deeds.