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00:03:11 BingoBoingo: This sheriff needs to sleep https://archive.is/K1t3x

00:03:12 assbot: Harney County Sheriff: Armed Occupiers Will Face Charges . News | OPB ... ( http://bit.ly/1PejoQo )

00:06:11 mircea_popescu: check it out, they found rip thorn's son!

00:06:53 mircea_popescu: ?They have an opportunity right now to work towards a better solution, and not face further charges,? he said.

00:07:13 mircea_popescu: ahahahaha. check out who has "an opportunity" and who sets the limits of who gets what opportunities.

00:07:15 mircea_popescu: derps.

00:07:54 mircea_popescu: how about "usg has an opportunity to quit infringing now and save more face than if it quits later" ?

00:09:14 BingoBoingo: Dude knows he's not going to get any sleep because he's been briefed on how the Bundy ranch defense still stands years later.

00:10:26 punkman: "If this goes on any longer, it will have an even greater impact on our tourism and local economy" lol

00:10:45 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell ben_vulpes If you really intend to be the lord of cascadia you prolly ought to start negotiating borders and such

00:10:45 gribble: The operation succeeded.

00:10:49 mircea_popescu: apparently not, lol, i can't even get a partay started :D

00:10:49 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-01-2016#1361106 << yes BUT THIS GIVES A USELESS UNCONNECTABLE-TO NODE

00:10:49 assbot: Logged on 05-01-2016 23:38:30; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform remind me, does -connect stack ?

00:11:06 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform was just trying to pass along some txn on the cheap.

00:11:37 asciilifeform: well it will really suck with a 8-max and outgoing-only turdnode.

00:11:49 mircea_popescu: huh ?

00:11:57 asciilifeform: that's what you get when you -connect

00:12:07 asciilifeform: a non-listening node

00:12:20 mircea_popescu: the gist of it is that guy wants a copy of a certain txn

00:13:06 asciilifeform: -connect to the current trb nodes and spray it in, leave'em to broadcast

00:13:14 asciilifeform: that's the correct use of -connect.

00:13:34 mircea_popescu: it's what i was describing ima do.

00:13:41 asciilifeform: ah

00:13:57 asciilifeform: << mine

00:14:15 asciilifeform: all running.

00:14:33 asciilifeform: as seen by the eye of sauron, even, https://bitnodes.21.co/nodes/?q=/therealbitcoin.org:

00:14:35 assbot: Network Snapshot - Bitnodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1PeJp6j )

00:14:37 mircea_popescu: aite, be ~an hr.

00:16:02 punkman: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/net.cpp?v=asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option#1273 just gotta remove "mapArgs.count("-connect")" from there right?

00:16:04 assbot: Satoshi asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option/src/net.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1PLJYoG )

00:17:29 mircea_popescu: "He said hostility toward federal employees is taking a toll on the entire community." ahahahaha orly. is it.

00:17:29 asciilifeform: this reduces to behaviour of '-addnode' iirc

00:19:32 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361116 << wai wut?! that'd be like ru letting chechnya secede. (notice, even flat-broke 1990s ru could not do this, not while it had anything like an army and what to feed it)

00:19:32 assbot: Logged on 06-01-2016 00:07:54; mircea_popescu: how about "usg has an opportunity to quit infringing now and save more face than if it quits later" ?

00:19:52 mircea_popescu: heh.

00:20:25 mircea_popescu: there's really nothing wrong with bending over and taking in the ass. women the world over do it every day.

00:20:28 mircea_popescu: usg might enjoy it too.

00:20:49 asciilifeform: aha but hitler has to eat his luger first

00:21:22 asciilifeform: after he tires of moving imaginary, long-dead armies around on a little map

00:21:24 mircea_popescu: which brings us to the present day.

00:22:12 asciilifeform: not quite

00:22:33 mircea_popescu: anyway, much to my contradicted disbelief, the consensus among unconnected, aparatchick chicks on okc seems to be that "well, a) trump will win and b) that'll be tghe end of any federal government"

00:22:49 asciilifeform: or what, let's say word gets out that anybody wanted by a u.s. sheriff only has to make his way to the magic oregon dreamland. still no napalm ?

00:22:56 mircea_popescu: what the fuck do they know, right ? but then again... anthropologist's irk. how did all these unrelated derps manage to come to the same story.

00:23:13 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, that's how texas was built.

00:23:22 mircea_popescu: literally, instead of nulla bonam the endorsement was G.T.

00:24:03 BingoBoingo: hitler's new questions https://archive.is/vAZyc

00:24:04 assbot: When are they gonna buff the cat companions? : outside ... ( http://bit.ly/1PLKNh2 )

00:24:55 asciilifeform: ad from BingoBoingo's link: 'a fecal transplant saved my life'

00:25:35 mircea_popescu: "i wasn't full of shit"

00:26:46 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: clitler is anointed winner

00:26:59 mircea_popescu: only in the bunker.

00:27:11 asciilifeform: that's where they print the 'election' results tho

00:27:25 mircea_popescu: mmmm... notrly.

00:27:55 asciilifeform: at any rate, since when does figurehead queen get to 'end of any federal gov'

00:29:33 mircea_popescu: all it'd take would be for the ceiling to not be raised.

00:29:44 mircea_popescu: all president needs to say is that well, we're not raising it.

00:29:48 mircea_popescu: gorbachev moment.

00:30:00 asciilifeform: not how usg works

00:30:13 asciilifeform: ;;google usa veto override

00:30:14 gribble: Veto - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veto; List of United States presidential vetoes - Wikipedia, the free ...: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_vetoes; Presidential Vetoes | US House of Representatives: History, Art ...: http://history.house.gov/Institution/Presidential-Vetoes/Presidential-Vetoes/

00:31:06 mircea_popescu: he doesn't have to veto anything.

00:31:16 mircea_popescu: just sit on hands next budget scandal. scheduled for... 2016.

00:31:31 asciilifeform: and the last time a muppet-in-chief tried to actually rule, his wife ended up picking up pieces of his head

00:32:21 mircea_popescu: but not bothering is not the same.

00:32:34 asciilifeform: and what, mr o bothered ?

00:32:42 mircea_popescu: o yeah.

00:32:59 mircea_popescu: ooooo yeah. pretty much the only thing bahamas did was the entire boehner derpitude.

00:33:13 asciilifeform: and if he hadn't ?

00:33:15 mircea_popescu: however, the way the winnings and losses were distributed there, it seems altogether unlikely that ever happens again.

00:33:21 mircea_popescu: if he hadn't the vacation would have been permanent.

00:33:31 mircea_popescu: and in a year';s time, no more usg, not ever again.

00:33:45 asciilifeform: you know they only send the clerks home, on 'vacation'

00:33:53 asciilifeform: not the einsatzgruppen.

00:34:54 asciilifeform: see also http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/398777/almost-everyone-dhs-essential-employee-ryan-lovelace

00:34:55 assbot: National Review Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1PLLLKa )

00:35:00 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> and the last time a muppet-in-chief tried to actually rule, his wife ended up picking up pieces of his head << Carter nearly tried, also nearly eaten by rabbit

00:38:11 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: http://dpaste.com/0FKN2BH.txt

00:38:12 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MRD0I3 )

00:38:31 BingoBoingo: https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--zFzpMJMA--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/huls96guvmqu5qomvocg.jpg

00:38:32 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MRD1vA )

00:39:13 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: translate for humans plox

00:39:19 pete_dushenski: "100! 100!" << what's this translate to in english ?

00:39:40 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Typical black twitter drama, but Oregon militia gets banned.

00:40:00 asciilifeform: yes but what does it mean

00:40:06 asciilifeform: 'none of y'all about this'

00:40:14 asciilifeform: this doesn't parse

00:40:36 pete_dushenski: "can't touch this" ?

00:40:54 BingoBoingo: Not mean to parse, it's essentially a long explative denoting anger

00:41:08 asciilifeform: he uses 'glock 19' instead of gearshift knob in car ?

00:41:18 punkman: ;;ud be about it

00:41:19 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=be+about+it | be about it. An ethnocentric phrase of African American origin meaning: 1.) Taking a specific endeavor seriously and putting forth an honest and prudent effort. 2.

00:42:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33450 @ 0.00049598 = 16.5905 BTC [-] {5}

00:42:24 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: He used to play pokemon with concussions. Retired as a master after collecting them all.

00:43:13 *: asciilifeform finds it lulzy that mircea_popescu and perhaps other thinking folks outside the razor wire believe that the ceremonial usaschwitz kommendant elections are actually ~about~ something. in actuality, they are rather like the fighting of certain ruminants, e.g., mountain sheep, whose horns are set at such an angle that they cannot harm one another

00:45:07 asciilifeform: as a very wealthy usg-dod consultant once said to me, 'i don't give a flying fuck whether it is the democrats, the republicans, or the lesbians, who win'

00:45:22 pete_dushenski: "Examples: 1.) Our mid-terms are coming up soon, so you better be about it and study hard to pass. 2.) As a member of the National Association of Black Journalist, we are expected to be about it."

00:46:40 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: like so http://www.kiddycastles.co.uk/images/Gladiator2.jpg

00:46:40 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MRDT3s )

00:46:50 asciilifeform: aha.

00:47:09 asciilifeform: precisely that.

00:47:56 asciilifeform: american elections are exactly as interesting as the soviet elections, and for exactly the same reason.

00:48:54 pete_dushenski: http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/1451836492-20160103.png << from the mines

00:48:58 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MRE9zt )

00:50:39 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361118 << ahaha l0l, like eric frein

00:50:39 assbot: Logged on 06-01-2016 00:10:26; punkman: "If this goes on any longer, it will have an even greater impact on our tourism and local economy" lol

00:50:41 pete_dushenski: in other nyooz, "During the year, landlords raised rents as much as 15% in the Brush Park district, 14% in New Center and 10% in the areas around Wayne State University and the Detroit Medical Center, according to a Midtown Detroit survey." << rents went from $1 to $1.15 per square metre per year in detroit !

00:50:44 asciilifeform: (anybody even remember him ?)

00:51:01 pete_dushenski: !s eric frein

00:51:02 assbot: 16 results for 'eric frein' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=eric+frein

00:51:19 pete_dushenski: http://bitbet.us/bet/1061/

00:51:19 assbot: BitBet - Eric Frein to receive death sentence :: 0.08 B (38%) on Yes, 0.13 B (62%) on No | closed 3 months 1 week ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1PLNlM4 )

00:51:33 asciilifeform: nobody even gave enough of a fuck to bet...

00:52:08 pete_dushenski: frein < eth

00:52:23 asciilifeform: because ~will~ is not enough. you ALSO need brain, and resources.

00:52:44 asciilifeform: and even then likely you get to say hello to the cathars.

00:55:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59850 @ 0.00049558 = 29.6605 BTC [-] {2}

00:55:42 asciilifeform: wake me up when moscow is air-supplying oregon phortress of phreeeeedom with SAM rockets, food, and cheap whores every 48h - like usg is resupplying kiev

00:57:43 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Maybe if we ping Herr Orlov enough it will be done?

00:59:08 deedbot-: [Qntra] US Doctors To Move From Stitching To Snitching On President's Orders - http://qntra.net/2016/01/us-doctors-to-move-from-stitching-to-snitching-on-presidents-orders/

00:59:26 pete_dushenski: lel nice title

00:59:41 pete_dushenski: i like it

01:00:02 BingoBoingo: ty, just a couple minor edits

01:00:43 BingoBoingo: Mostly making sure Hussein precedes Bahamas

01:00:54 BingoBoingo: can never do that enough

01:01:00 BingoBoingo: ;;google hussein bahamas

01:01:01 pete_dushenski: i-before-e

01:01:01 gribble: President Hussein Bahamas Ends National Security Speech With ...: http://qntra.net/2015/11/president-hussein-bahamas-ends-national-security-speech-with-happy-thanksgiving/; Obama at ASEAN: Money Overwhelms Ideas | Qntra: http://qntra.net/2015/11/obama-at-asean-money-overwhelms-ideas/; Trump Proposes "Closing Up the Internet" | Qntra: http://qntra.net/2015/12/trump-proposes- (1 more message)

01:01:18 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: snore. see earlier thread re: figurehead queen. mr o decreed merely that old laws are to be (shock!) enforced.

01:01:49 asciilifeform: and even this was an almost exact copy of the... last time.

01:01:57 asciilifeform: prolly used the same ms word doc.

01:02:05 pete_dushenski: this is nyooz goddamit !!!1

01:02:22 pete_dushenski: bahamas ~cried~

01:02:48 pete_dushenski: real, honest to goodness alligator tears

01:02:49 asciilifeform: qntra - pravda now? reporting on gorbachev's decrees ? (anybody remember his booze prohibition ?)

01:02:56 *: BingoBoingo kinda wished pete would have brought http://qntra.net/2015/09/obama-brings-fish-to-orgasm-in-alaska-vacation-hijinks/ into it

01:02:58 assbot: Obama Brings Fish to Orgasm In Alaska Vacation Hijinks | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1PLOkvU )

01:03:07 asciilifeform: see now ~that~ was nyooz.

01:03:20 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: i did ask if you wanted any specific links in there...

01:03:22 asciilifeform: i don't recall bush 'handjobbing' a fish.

01:03:57 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: You gotta anticipate this. If you talk Bahamas you gotta bring that up for the SEO

01:04:15 BingoBoingo: Especially on contravex and any other web domain you publish.

01:04:20 *: pete_dushenski will endeavour to anticipate moar

01:05:15 BingoBoingo: Seriously pete as not the editor of their competitor you could probably write to Roger VERified bitcoin.com and get them to have a link to the fish handjob

01:05:57 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: bush opened gitmo though

01:06:07 pete_dushenski: as 'detention camp'

01:06:25 BingoBoingo: Bush was dry drunk on O'Douls the whole time

01:07:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4367 @ 0.00049454 = 2.1597 BTC [-] {2}

01:08:10 pete_dushenski: http://www.politico.com/gallery/39-great-photos-from-obamas-presidency?slide=0 << for caption contest enthusiasts

01:08:11 assbot: 39 great photos from Obama's presidency - POLITICO ... ( http://bit.ly/1MRGaeR )

01:09:55 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell cazalla ^

01:09:55 gribble: The operation succeeded.

01:10:24 pete_dushenski: haha ya. caz killed it with that one coindesk conpherence

01:12:26 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all --currency rmb

01:12:32 gribble: BTCChina BTCRMB last: 2820.26, vol: 52880.32960000 | Volume-weighted last average: 2820.26

01:20:15 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, pete_dushenski, other apple iron aficionados - anybody do the capslock mod ( https://github.com/cfenollosa/aekii ) ?

01:20:16 assbot: cfenollosa/aekii · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1PLPQ0W )

01:25:17 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-01-2016#1361091 << lulzy, somebody inherited a warehouse full of old junk, monetized !

01:25:17 assbot: Logged on 05-01-2016 23:31:03; punkman: http://shop.lomography.com/en

01:26:40 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-01-2016#1361076 << say what you like about proper-isis, but it has chix. and food. and tanks...

01:26:40 assbot: Logged on 05-01-2016 23:15:10; BingoBoingo: So the next chapter of VanillaISIS knows to establish an embassy with tmsr before seceeding

01:27:22 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-01-2016#1361049 << is this where we learn that nobody's mining off trb ?

01:27:22 assbot: Logged on 05-01-2016 22:59:23; mircea_popescu: alternatively you could also ask various monkeys masquerading as "bitcoin devs" why the fuck they broke the protocol and are costing you money.

01:36:55 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: just using capslock as 'control' ?

01:41:56 asciilifeform: well yes

01:42:06 asciilifeform: but it has to be cured first

01:42:33 asciilifeform: (those keyboards had a mechanically-locking toggle)

01:42:46 kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361272 < id be surprised if anyone outside ba even uses the thing let alone mine with it. there arent any miners here.

01:42:46 assbot: Logged on 06-01-2016 01:27:22; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-01-2016#1361049 << is this where we learn that nobody's mining off trb ?

01:43:47 asciilifeform: !s mining is a bug

01:43:48 assbot: 2 results for 'mining is a bug' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=mining+is+a+bug

01:43:52 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: right. but i... use model m. thus, no locking problems. only apple keyboard i have is ~10 years old, white thingy. also no prob.

01:44:15 pete_dushenski: anyways, neat re-jiggery

01:44:31 kakobrekla: you dont trully appreciate model-m until you come off it.

01:44:37 asciilifeform: ^^^

01:49:13 pete_dushenski: off to see the wizard. one love !

01:58:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6350 @ 0.00049355 = 3.134 BTC [-] {2}

01:59:18 asciilifeform: '...a Common Lisp package and libraries called MockMMA. see the directory for a recent revision of this Mockmma. This version is more directed to being compatible with the source-forge program Maxima, even if Maxima is being run in GCL, a Lisp dialect lacking in full upper-lower case control. (This is a disadvantage because Mathematica uses many mixed-case identifiers). To the user, this somewhat resembles Mathematica (tm), bu

01:59:18 asciilifeform: t has the advantage of being totally open (full source code). One can manipulate polynomials in several variables over the integers, rational functions, and a variety of other mathematical objects. Manipulations include simplification, differentiation, integration, evaluation, pattern matching, etc.'

01:59:32 asciilifeform: r. fateman, who else. http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~fateman/lisp/mma4max

01:59:33 assbot: Index of /~fateman/lisp/mma4max ... ( http://bit.ly/1OLoKbv )

02:00:17 asciilifeform: 'While I'm pointing to old software, here's where you can get a free copy of the final (1982?) university release of Franz Lisp Opus 38.92 for VAX. I don't know why you would want this old stuff, but the university software distribution office has closed and they left a copy with me.'

02:00:19 asciilifeform: and many other goodies.

02:00:49 asciilifeform: i kinda wonder who else i assumed were dead, is actually not only alive but has a spiffy www.

02:01:58 asciilifeform: http://sourceforge.net/p/maxima/mailman/message/32614108 << drama !

02:02:00 assbot: Maxima -- GPL CAS based on DOE-MACSYMA / Mailing Lists ... ( http://bit.ly/1mEwrTT )

02:02:36 asciilifeform: 'Well, as far as I could tell circa 2009, this programmer took my code and disabled 95% of the capabilities that I put in it. He then put his version on sourceforge and used my name for it, MockMMA. What did he do? He did some data structure translation and attached the parser superficially to the Maxima system back end so that individual commands like _Integrate_ worked to call Maxima's _integrate_....'

02:02:46 *: asciilifeform wonders the usual 'why??!11??'

02:05:46 asciilifeform: http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~fateman/mma.mailer << lulzy

02:05:47 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1mEx1kI )

02:07:11 asciilifeform: http://dpaste.com/0E5T2C1 ^^ copy of above

02:07:12 assbot: dpaste: 0E5T2C1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1mExcws )

02:07:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15748 @ 0.00049777 = 7.8389 BTC [+] {2}

02:11:27 mats: lol, linode pwned again, for the fourth time in as many years

02:14:17 thestringpuller: asciilifeform is right. VPS services are the canadian devil.

02:14:33 asciilifeform: wai wut

02:14:38 thestringpuller: def need a WoT datacenter soon.

02:14:48 asciilifeform: who even used it

02:14:58 asciilifeform: (humans only plox)

02:15:10 thestringpuller: I was talking VPS services in general AWS, Google Cloud, Linode, et al.

02:15:29 thestringpuller: if you don't have physical access to the box, what's the point?

02:15:31 asciilifeform: aha, but ~who used it~

02:15:53 asciilifeform: it is possible to live in a sewer. eat from a 'dumpster.'

02:16:11 asciilifeform: but can you ~name~ folks who do? and do they count as a who ?

02:16:21 thestringpuller: do corporations count as people?

02:25:26 phf: <asciilifeform> 'Well, as far as I could tell circa 2009, this programmer took my code and disabled 95%<<< this is becoming more and more sop, sometimes outright theft but more typically a "new maintainer", also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=19-11-2015#1327527

02:25:26 assbot: Logged on 19-11-2015 20:05:06; phf: it's just impressions. i've been looking at a lot of high traction common lisp code (top quicklisp packages) and there's a lot of senseless turd polishing in the past few years. broken interfaces for the sake of "cleanliness", half baked code, needless macros, dependency hell etc. and then you look at the code and it's the same set of aggressive, google employed queergenders.

03:26:26 BingoBoingo: !up dbclk

03:26:32 BingoBoingo: !up funkenstein_

03:26:36 BingoBoingo: !up massiro

03:26:38 dbclk: hello

03:26:44 BingoBoingo: hello

03:26:48 dbclk: finally..thanks for the add

03:27:16 BingoBoingo: What add?

03:27:20 funkenstein_: happy new year boingo

03:27:25 kakobrekla: i think he means voice

03:27:26 dbclk: well..allowing me to have a voice here

03:27:29 BingoBoingo: you too funkenstein_

03:27:46 dbclk: the last time i tried talking here..it said i need to have some wirc account..i dont remember

03:27:54 kakobrekla: dbclk it doesnt last for too long so make it count

03:28:03 dbclk: :(

03:28:04 BingoBoingo: dbclk: Ah, expires after 30 minute, you could have asked before. Also gotta register a WoT key and get rated

03:28:18 dbclk: yeah WoT

03:28:23 dbclk: that sounds like a long process

03:28:24 dbclk: :(

03:28:31 BingoBoingo: If you make your voiced time count, more likely to mebbe be able to voice self

03:28:46 kakobrekla: life is also a long process, usually, do you skip that too?

03:28:49 BingoBoingo: The only thing longer than doing it is not doing it.

03:29:01 dbclk: that's true

03:29:28 dbclk: anyways..i'm a day trader..well just started recently traded my own money with bitcoins

03:29:50 dbclk: i've made good trades but, mostly terrible ones ..reading a book on trading but i'm seeking a mentor

03:30:08 dbclk: so just asking if there's anyone here looking for someone to mentor

03:30:46 BingoBoingo: !up PeterL

03:30:57 BingoBoingo: What do you trade Bitcoins against?

03:31:13 kakobrekla: afaik taleb can teach you a few things about trading but this place is investors mostly, not traders.

03:31:20 PeterL: hi BingoBoingo

03:31:40 BingoBoingo: hai PeterL

03:31:50 dbclk: BingoBoingo: against USD

03:31:55 PeterL: buy high, sell low!

03:32:05 BingoBoingo: buy high sell higher

03:32:26 dbclk: lol

03:32:35 BingoBoingo: And don't forget to hodl

03:32:41 dbclk: if it was that easy :)

03:32:43 PeterL: buy high, wonder what the hell you were doing after the drugs wear off

03:33:00 dbclk: even looking at the 1 hr chart against the BTC/USD..it looks like a triple top

03:33:29 dbclk: but, not quite sure ..because, on each peeks you have progressively less and less volume until it breaks the neckline

03:33:43 PeterL: the magic ball says ...

03:33:47 dbclk: what i'm seeing on the chart is consistent volumes and no declines

03:33:53 BingoBoingo: dbclk: You could learn to trade like me, but that means unlearning things like "triple top"

03:34:02 dbclk: hmm

03:34:25 dbclk: you dont use technical analysis BingoBoingo ?

03:34:44 BingoBoingo: dbclk: Not in the way you seem to.

03:34:50 PeterL: ;;8ball buy now?

03:34:50 gribble: _I_ don't know.

03:34:51 dbclk: :(

03:34:52 *: BingoBoingo trades slow

03:35:07 dbclk: you do this full time BingoBoingo ?

03:35:26 BingoBoingo: No, like 10 minutes every 3 months or so

03:35:35 dbclk: oh so you have a full time job

03:35:47 BingoBoingo: Bitcoin stuff full time, yes. Trading like 0.17% time

03:36:00 dbclk: ok

03:36:27 dbclk: well my intention is to do this fulltime

03:36:41 dbclk: and i like trading to be honest apart from the fact i'm loosing money

03:36:50 BingoBoingo: That's a problem

03:36:55 dbclk: how so?

03:37:18 BingoBoingo: Well, the losing money part, if you step that up to full time you're sunk.

03:37:53 PeterL: as my mother says, "the best way to save money is to not spend it"

03:38:10 BingoBoingo: The better trader you are the less time you spend trading. I just enter orders into the book and wait for them to be filled or not filled.

03:38:34 dbclk: i agree BingoBoingo

03:38:49 dbclk: well already doing it full time...i wouldn't blame technical analysis...just need to finish learn

03:38:58 PeterL: dbclk: how much capital do you have available to play with?

03:39:05 dbclk: i think it can help quiet bit..the time i do loose money is when i'm trading randomly

03:39:11 dbclk: not much

03:39:12 BingoBoingo: But pick swings that take months, not minutes, and prolly pick a pair with better exchanges than BTC/USD

03:39:15 dbclk: about 10 Gs

03:39:36 dbclk: which other pair BingoBoingo ?


03:39:44 trinque: oh boy

03:39:49 BingoBoingo: dbclk: That's for you to decide

03:40:16 dbclk: well yeah i was doing trades ..like minutes

03:40:25 dbclk: but, i get you..i rather do it slowly rather than quickly

03:40:35 dbclk: and come to think of it..i mostly loose money that way

03:40:48 trinque: lil kim jong must need a new shipment of henney

03:42:10 dbclk: anyways thanks for the advice folks

03:42:55 dbclk: one last question BingoBoingo

03:43:23 dbclk: you do use technical analysis for like picking resistance, support and retracements right?

03:43:44 dbclk: and you also dont use patterns as well? anyone here use trading patterns?

03:44:00 BingoBoingo: Nah, I take my hand, cup my scrotum, and just man up.

03:44:07 trinque: !b 4

03:44:09 assbot: Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/22TV100.txt )

03:45:37 danielpbarron: +dbclk> so just asking if there's anyone here looking for someone to mentor << come work for me in Eulora

03:47:12 phf: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35237173 << "It's completely improper... to link a group that appeared to come from North Africa with the refugees" "In Cologne at least one woman was raped and many were groped, including a volunteer policewoman." etc.

03:47:14 assbot: Cologne sex attacks: Merkel disgust at New Year gang assaults - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1MRVGr7 )

03:47:56 dbclk: danielpbarron: tell me where to sign up

03:49:08 danielpbarron: dbclk, http://www.eulorum.org/Eulora

03:49:11 assbot: Eulorum ... ( http://bit.ly/1Obt29b )

03:49:43 dbclk: thanks danielpbarron ..I'll look into it

03:51:45 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361387 >>> obligatory >>> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-12-2015#1345310 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-12-2015#1345317

03:51:45 assbot: Logged on 06-01-2016 03:39:38; BingoBoingo: ALSO BEST KOREA CLAIMS HYDROGEN BOMB TEST

03:51:45 assbot: Logged on 17-12-2015 04:01:54; asciilifeform: meanwhile, in the OTHER usa, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEhSF188x5k

03:51:45 assbot: Logged on 17-12-2015 04:23:14; asciilifeform: i prolly ought to have translated, it was a concert in honour of 81st anniversary of the korean people's army

03:52:18 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: 4.9 earthquake 0 kilometers deep

03:57:01 punkman: "What is particularly disturbing is that the attacks appear to have been organised. Around 1,000 young men arrived in large groups, seemingly with the specific intention of carrying out attacks on women."

04:07:24 phf: asciilifeform, ben_vulpes, adlai: edi weitz (cl-ppcre, hunchentoot, flexi-streams rest of ediware) published a book of common lisp recipes http://www.amazon.com/o/asin/1484211774

04:07:26 assbot: Common Lisp Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach: Edmund Weitz: 9781484211779: Amazon.com: Books ... ( http://bit.ly/1MRXsZp )

04:11:39 deedbot-: [Qntra] DPRK Successfully Tests Hydrogen Bomb - http://qntra.net/2016/01/dprk-successfully-tests-hydrogen-bomb/

04:12:56 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: nah, 'diamond level' is when somebody has thermonukes in quantity AND delivery vehicle

04:13:48 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That's triple diamond

04:21:17 asciilifeform: http://xahlee.info/comp/TRON_operating_system_and_encoding.html << l0ltr0n1c

04:21:18 assbot: TRON Operating System & Encoding ... ( http://bit.ly/1MRYqoG )

04:21:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00049323 = 2.0716 BTC [-]

04:24:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00049617 = 4.6144 BTC [+]

04:28:51 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361414 << aha, i've been waitin' a looong time

04:28:51 assbot: Logged on 06-01-2016 04:07:24; phf: asciilifeform, ben_vulpes, adlai: edi weitz (cl-ppcre, hunchentoot, flexi-streams rest of ediware) published a book of common lisp recipes http://www.amazon.com/o/asin/1484211774

04:29:10 asciilifeform: did order it. likely - no good, sadly. they almost never are.

04:30:11 asciilifeform: naggum could've written a first-class b00k

04:30:24 asciilifeform: if he hadn't been so busy unsuccessfully staying alive.

04:32:28 phf: sucks that he ended up writing book on sgml, but not on common lisp

04:32:43 asciilifeform: iirc somebody ~paid~ for the sgml crap

04:32:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26350 @ 0.00049631 = 13.0778 BTC [+] {2}

04:33:24 asciilifeform: everybody here would ~barf~ if they knew what i do for money

04:34:41 mats: o_O

04:36:00 asciilifeform: arbeit macht frei.

04:37:21 mats: ^_^

04:40:06 asciilifeform: or, more appropriately, the buchenwald sign: jedem das seine.

04:40:36 asciilifeform: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/-dVePl1BSWo/hqdefault.jpg

04:40:37 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MRZQiO )

04:42:34 phf: труд в ссср есть дело чести, славы, доблести и геройства

04:44:35 asciilifeform: nah, over here it's more of a работа стоит а срок идет.

04:45:22 asciilifeform: http://s1.radikali.ru/uploads/2014/7/22/762e6fd081dc7c6efc761b767ceb7958-full.jpg << related.

04:45:23 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MS07Cr )

04:56:47 BingoBoingo: From the mines http://dpaste.com/1DZRN4F.txt

04:56:48 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MS0OM3 )

04:58:08 BingoBoingo: hai

05:04:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00050352 = 8.9627 BTC [+] {3}

05:15:11 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

05:15:17 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 429.42, vol: 4914.26755883 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 428.469, vol: 5078.09016 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 428.49, vol: 12732.93409788 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 424.0, vol: 1.551 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 428.815194, vol: 59881.18140000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 429.58989, vol: 35.5563113 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 424.5065, vol: 38.77286225 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)

05:15:24 BingoBoingo: ;;more

05:15:24 gribble: 428.778021823

05:50:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.00050517 = 6.7693 BTC [+]

05:54:13 BingoBoingo: "You're bleeding too much, I need to cut you" - A Surgeon

07:44:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10823 @ 0.00050517 = 5.4675 BTC [+]

07:45:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17977 @ 0.00050528 = 9.0834 BTC [+] {2}

08:01:30 deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'No' - BTC price to rise above PM price of 1oz of gold before Oct 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1235/btc-price-to-rise-above-pm-price-of/#b12

08:11:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16800 @ 0.00050558 = 8.4937 BTC [+]

08:32:37 deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin to top $1,000 before Jul 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1234/bitcoin-to-top-1-000-before-jul-2016/#b24

08:52:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17550 @ 0.00050558 = 8.8729 BTC [+]

09:25:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8450 @ 0.0005047 = 4.2647 BTC [-]

09:31:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5850 @ 0.0005047 = 2.9525 BTC [-]

09:32:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8850 @ 0.00050433 = 4.4633 BTC [-]

09:47:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00050433 = 4.1355 BTC [-]

10:00:07 jurov: <asciilifeform> everybody here would ~barf~ if they knew << applied coprophagy came real?

10:01:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00050557 = 6.2691 BTC [+] {2}

10:43:39 jurov: !up Dava

10:43:48 jurov: hi Dava

10:55:38 jurov: https://bitbet.us/bet/1191/the-hearn-gavin-scamcoin-will-fizzle-in-2016/#c5500 if I understand right, this basically says mp is trying to spend his high-S output instead of low-S malleated output that was actually mined?

10:55:38 assbot: BitBet - The Hearn-Gavin scamcoin will fizzle in 2016 :: 101.11 B (96%) on Yes, 4.13 B (4%) on No | closing in 5 months 3 weeks | weight: 56`630 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1VHTw4t )

11:20:34 jurov: O.o restarted my patched trb after 2 weeks, now it reliably sigsegvs after first few blocks: http://dpaste.com/2C1FAER

11:20:35 assbot: dpaste: 2C1FAER: therealbitcoin sigsegv, by jurov ... ( http://bit.ly/1VHWNRj )

11:21:21 jurov: will retry with release

11:27:31 jurov: or my datadir got corrupted

11:51:42 adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361414 << call me when quickutil and v.cl start their long steamy love affair

11:51:42 assbot: Logged on 06-01-2016 04:07:24; phf: asciilifeform, ben_vulpes, adlai: edi weitz (cl-ppcre, hunchentoot, flexi-streams rest of ediware) published a book of common lisp recipes http://www.amazon.com/o/asin/1484211774

11:54:35 *: adlai finds it asset-backwards to jump headfirst into v.cl before auditing https://github.com/froydnj/diff (and ironclad, but that's a little outside my pay grade)

11:54:36 assbot: froydnj/diff · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1IQsDcW )

12:38:49 shinohai: !s https://blog.filippo.io/bleichenbacher-06-signature-forgery-in-python-rsa/

12:38:50 assbot: Bleichenbacher'06 signature forgery in python-rsa ... ( http://bit.ly/1n3W4hv )

12:38:51 assbot: 0 results for 'https://blog.filippo.io/bleichenbacher-06-signature-forgery-in-python-rsa/' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=https%3A%2F%2Fblog.filippo.io%2Fbleichenbacher-06-signature-forgery-in-python-rsa%2F

12:40:23 adlai: PSA for the guy(s) running the single-satoshi-net-fee makers... you wil LITERALLY DOUBLE YOUR PROFITS if you increase to a 2 satoshi net fee.

12:40:49 adlai: probability of being chosen for any given tx will be literally unaffected, for 21st century OED values of 'literally'

12:45:13 *: adlai apologises for the channel mixup, tries to port touchscreen breathalyzer to keyboard / brain

13:40:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.0005046 = 1.7156 BTC [-]

14:03:09 punkman: http://iconaircraft.com/news/flying-the-icon-a5-in-new-york-city/ neat

14:03:12 assbot: Flying the ICON A5 in New York City - ICON Aircraft ... ( http://bit.ly/1OaB5jK )

14:24:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4861 @ 0.0005046 = 2.4529 BTC [-]

14:50:08 BingoBoingo: <jurov> https://bitbet.us/bet/1191/the-hearn-gavin-scamcoin-will-fizzle-in-2016/#c5500 if I understand right, this basically says mp is trying to spend his high-S output instead of low-S malleated output that was actually mined? << AHA, ?

14:50:08 assbot: BitBet - The Hearn-Gavin scamcoin will fizzle in 2016 :: 101.11 B (96%) on Yes, 4.13 B (4%) on No | closing in 5 months 3 weeks | weight: 56`578 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1VHTw4t )

14:52:14 BingoBoingo: But no, to 2 comments down. I don't recall low-S being soft forked to mandatory, just a bunch of buttholes had been malleating transactions to low-s.

14:53:29 punkman: so the stuck tx has an invalid input?

14:54:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10889 @ 0.0005046 = 5.4946 BTC [-]

14:55:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2461 @ 0.00050476 = 1.2422 BTC [+]

14:55:05 BingoBoingo: it might

14:55:17 BingoBoingo: because the network is full of buttholes

14:55:58 punkman: does that mean the stuck tx was created before the previous tx was mined&confirmed?

14:58:47 BingoBoingo: Not sure, but that comment has me thinking mebbe a wrong input tx id is somehow junking the big tx

14:59:05 punkman: that's what it says

15:01:21 BingoBoingo: It's too early in the morning. I'm confused and clearing out a form of spam.

15:04:01 BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats

15:04:06 gribble: Current Blocks: 392019 | Current Difficulty: 1.0388034081545589E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 393119 | Next Difficulty In: 1100 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 20 hours, 34 minutes, and 17 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None

15:06:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19050 @ 0.00050345 = 9.5907 BTC [-] {4}

15:17:11 BingoBoingo: On a judge arrested for DWI: "Asked if he had a lawyer, he said, ?I do, but he?s not going to talk to you.?" (Lawyer being himself)

15:21:14 BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2016/01/militia-liberates-oregon-land-from-federal-occupation/#comment-36425

15:21:15 assbot: Militia Liberates Oregon Land From Federal Occupation | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1MSZt7N )

15:24:16 punkman: speaking of bahamas, http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-01-04/the-ghosts-of-baha-mar-how-a-3-5-billion-paradise-went-bust

15:24:17 assbot: The Ghosts of Baha Mar: How a $3.5 Billion Paradise Went Bust - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rs9jUn )

15:36:58 shinohai: !s https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1317139.new;topicseen#new

15:36:59 assbot: BITBET.US not paying... scam or hack? ... ( http://bit.ly/1MT2PaX )

15:37:00 assbot: 0 results for 'https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1317139.new;topicseen#new' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=https%3A%2F%2Fbitcointalk.org%2Findex.php%3Ftopic%3D1317139.new%3Btopicseen%23new

15:43:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5466 @ 0.00050201 = 2.744 BTC [-] {3}

15:44:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11834 @ 0.00050133 = 5.9327 BTC [-]

15:44:53 shinohai: !up ascii_butugychag

15:45:44 ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361476 << mega-l0l! how is the use of e==3 a 'vulnerability' other than in the idiot programmer's head ??

15:45:44 assbot: Logged on 06-01-2016 12:38:49; shinohai: !s https://blog.filippo.io/bleichenbacher-06-signature-forgery-in-python-rsa/

15:46:21 ascii_butugychag: and naturally we get the usgtronics: 'As usual, the fact that it's possible to implement a dangerous algorithm correctly, doesn't mean it's humanely possible, and safer algorithms (and primitives) must always be preferred. (See also: deterministic ECDSA.)'

15:46:58 ascii_butugychag: 'Filippo Valsorda. I'm Italian and I work on the CloudFlare Security Team in London. I built the public Heartbleed test and I mess with cryptography. Public speaker. Motorbike rider. Frequent flyer. Hacker School F'13.'

15:48:57 ascii_butugychag: https://bitbucket.org/sybren/python-rsa/pull-requests/14/security-fix-bb06-attack-in-verify-by/diff << his patch. how would you react to a fella half-heartedly removing a tick from the back of a roadkill deer flattened on a highway ?

15:48:59 assbot: sybren / python-rsa / Pull request #14: [security] Fix BB'06 attack in verify() by switching from parsing to comparison — Bitbucket ... ( http://bit.ly/1MT5Xn1 )

15:50:05 shinohai: ^^

15:51:03 ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361462 << nearly.

15:51:03 assbot: Logged on 06-01-2016 10:00:07; jurov: <asciilifeform> everybody here would ~barf~ if they knew << applied coprophagy came real?

15:51:58 ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361488 << iirc that was the july 4 phork

15:51:58 assbot: Logged on 06-01-2016 14:52:14; BingoBoingo: But no, to 2 comments down. I don't recall low-S being soft forked to mandatory, just a bunch of buttholes had been malleating transactions to low-s.

15:52:55 ascii_butugychag: it was trotted out prematurely and made a bit of a splat, but afaik is more or less cemented in now

15:53:24 ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361506 << expect more of this crapolade

15:53:24 assbot: Logged on 06-01-2016 15:36:58; shinohai: !s https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1317139.new;topicseen#new

15:54:23 punkman: isn't there one of those every time some bitbet tx is delayed

15:54:41 shinohai: I just happened upon it by reading the scam accusations thread for lolz

15:54:51 shinohai: looks like thestringpuller took care of it

15:56:38 ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361472 << l0l quickutil: 'An attempt at a solution to this problem was to create what became the de facto standard library for Common Lisp utilities: Alexandria. While Alexandria contains on the order of 100 high quality, useful utilities, it suffers from a very slow-moving oligarchy. Alexandria's improvement depends on their willingness to cooperate in a timely manner

15:56:38 assbot: Logged on 06-01-2016 11:51:42; adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361414 << call me when quickutil and v.cl start their long steamy love affair

15:56:47 ascii_butugychag: 'Quickutil is a different approach to utility libraries. Instead of being a single, monolithic library, e.g., Alexandria, it attempts to be a nimble and lean platform for distribution of utilities piecemeal.'

15:57:01 ascii_butugychag: this smells of sulfur.

15:57:57 ascii_butugychag: of the wget -O - http://nsa.gov/fuckme.sh | sudo sh variety.

15:58:55 ascii_butugychag: oligarchy?! wat

16:03:09 ascii_butugychag: in seemingly-unrelated non-nyooz,

16:03:20 ascii_butugychag: 'Most design errors from the earlier editions persist; indeed, some defenders of Mathematica seem to view the inevitable peculiar results of these decisions as correct: they are replacing long-standing problems of mathematics notation or convention with a new understanding. This is an alternative world view in which an answer is said to be correct if it is “generic” and ignores sigularities.

16:03:37 ascii_butugychag: 'This is annoying if, as sometimes happens, the most important aspect is a singularity. Worse is the view offered by fans of the program (not necessarily WRI employees!) that an answer is correct because it is what Mathematica computes, and any view to the contrary is the fault of the user (perhaps for misunderstanding the documentation.)'

16:03:56 ascii_butugychag: (fateman, '07, review of 'mathematica', http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~fateman/papers/mma6rev.pdf )

16:03:57 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MT97qN )

16:05:55 ascii_butugychag: if mircea_popescu's ego cock at least fits on a cable spool, of the kind used to carry fiber on a truck, wolfram's - only fits in the bilge of a 1890s cable-laying steamer

16:06:16 ascii_butugychag: i can't recall anybody else attempting 'embrace & extinguish' (tm) (r) on... mathematics.

16:34:01 BingoBoingo: <ascii_butugychag> it was trotted out prematurely and made a bit of a splat, but afaik is more or less cemented in now << July 4th was DER encoding. I don't think that involved low-s. Low-s panic was a bunch of derps malleating to high-s and since power ranger client defaulted to low-s a bunch of services that did the zero-conf thing Gox-paniced, because no one could expect. Power rangers then established malleate to low-s nodes.

16:36:16 BingoBoingo: trb and others pre-power rangers derping on the matter sign whatever s value

16:37:18 BingoBoingo: They were going to do even-s in when they started caring about the matter in 0.9 but then picked low-s for mysteries

16:41:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12329 @ 0.00050475 = 6.2231 BTC [+] {2}

16:55:42 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all --currency FOGBANK

16:55:42 gribble: Error: 'FOGBANK' is not a valid currency code.

16:55:48 BingoBoingo: shucks

17:17:05 BingoBoingo: The random places you find Lennart truth http://www.overclock.net/t/1483429/amd-kabini-owners/20#post_22289112

17:17:06 assbot: AMD Kabini Owners - Page 3 ... ( http://bit.ly/1RidjIW )

17:56:43 thestringpuller: https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/d8e60a0979024cce9159bd7b59594eae7dec627db5ac6bd088866afea533b0e9/ << you sure the miners aren't like blacklisting this transaction?

17:57:49 BingoBoingo: Who knows?

17:59:41 thestringpuller: It's gotta be filtered somewhere. Not showing up on blockr.io

18:01:05 thestringpuller: chainflyer doesn't see it either.

18:02:40 thestringpuller: nvm was resent as that https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/09e82c06cc5fbe3c0f2c2b6a1f575e8ecbb2a92bb493ca3a318525b1eeabe2bd/

18:03:26 thestringpuller: nvm this explorer is confusing

18:10:20 shinohai: https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/bitcoinj-developer-andreas-schildbach-i-will-not-invest-my-time-in-lightning-networks-1452005206

18:10:22 assbot: Bitcoin Wallet Developer Andreas Schildbach: I Will Not Invest My Time in Lightning Networks | Bitcoin Magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZNZ9jM )

18:28:37 BingoBoingo: !up zveda

18:29:16 zveda: ;;ticker

18:29:17 gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 429.87, Best ask: 429.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.12000, Last trade: 429.99, 24 hour volume: 8134.7448076, 24 hour low: 425.03, 24 hour high: 432.48, 24 hour vwap: None

18:35:38 phf: adlai: "veh" doesn't use diff or ironclad, calls out to external utilities instead. fwiw froyd explicitly disclaimers ironclad use in production anyway..

18:39:11 phf: hah, recent pull requests to ironclad is from this guy https://github.com/glv2 (i.e. https://github.com/froydnj/ironclad/pull/62), who has a bunch of peercoin related projects like https://github.com/glv2/peercoin-blockchain-parser

18:39:12 assbot: glv2 · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZO1X0z )

18:39:13 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZO1XgO )

18:39:14 assbot: glv2/peercoin-blockchain-parser · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZO1XgW )

18:50:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40300 @ 0.00049982 = 20.1427 BTC [-] {5}

18:52:53 phf: oh, man, another fukamachi project (re quickutil). guy works for a tokyo ad startup, generates massive amounts of web dev style common lisp code. he's behind http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-11-2015#1327538

18:52:53 assbot: Logged on 19-11-2015 20:11:46; ben_vulpes: http://wookie.lyonbros.com/

18:52:58 BingoBoingo: !up PeterL

18:53:34 PeterL: Hi, sorta working, just lurking

18:54:13 BingoBoingo: ah

19:24:15 deedbot-: [Qntra] China Continues Forcing Stockholders To HODL - http://qntra.net/2016/01/china-continues-forcing-stockholders-to-hodl/

19:44:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00050287 = 10.0574 BTC [+] {2}

20:02:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9971 @ 0.00049848 = 4.9703 BTC [-] {2}

20:41:36 pete_dushenski: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CX_T2mOWMAAk_S5.png:large << new one for me.

20:41:37 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1S4H4ww )

20:44:23 pete_dushenski: https://twitter.com/pierre_rochard/status/684440597726412800 << more marbles leaking.

20:46:09 BingoBoingo: I dunno, that might work considering the trendy software shit functions as a fiat blowoff valve

20:46:38 pete_dushenski: o really ?

20:47:18 pete_dushenski: the more sensible solution is import more brown dudes, undercutting all the pimply basement dwellers with "ideas" for getting rich

20:47:36 pete_dushenski: pakis can inflate housing markets just as well

20:48:23 pete_dushenski: if not better, seeing as how white kids are used to lavish finished basements all to themselves and aren't used to the sardine lifestyle

20:49:09 BingoBoingo: But they tend to blow off some value into brown countries which is of undetermined value for fiat system.

20:49:45 pete_dushenski: 18% wu rates is a pretty determined value

20:50:44 BingoBoingo: What now people care about keeping the telegraph company afloat?

20:51:43 pete_dushenski: wu shareholders, sure

20:52:36 pete_dushenski: like retirees who can't say no to that 15 cent dividend

20:55:30 mats: http://nationalinterest.org/feature/how-china-sees-the-risky-path-ahead-taiwan-14739

20:55:31 assbot: How China Sees the Risky Path Ahead With Taiwan | The National Interest ... ( http://bit.ly/1Z6iwCC )

20:58:54 pete_dushenski: wonder how long china will let taiwan make its asics for 'bitfury'

20:59:13 mats: could be 99 years, could be 9

21:00:12 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361440 << funny pic. translation asciilifeform, phf ?

21:00:12 assbot: Logged on 06-01-2016 04:45:22; asciilifeform: http://s1.radikali.ru/uploads/2014/7/22/762e6fd081dc7c6efc761b767ceb7958-full.jpg << related.

21:01:02 pete_dushenski: mats: until bitbet accepts >1 year off bets, we may never know :P

21:02:34 pete_dushenski: http://i2.wp.com/jackbaruth.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/germancoupe.jpg?zoom=2&resize=510%2C426 << "At the risk of being indelicate, what you see there is nothing more or less than what happens when women become tired of feminized men. West German society spent seventy years trying to kill its vicious, nationalist inner demons and this is the result: nice young men who would never think about invading Belgium but

21:02:35 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1S4IqHD )

21:02:35 pete_dushenski: so can’t quite keep their women interested. Look in the eyes of that crazy broad and tell me you think that my homebody with the beard there is sleeping alone. Just the body language of the two men indicates who’s going to wind up tapping that ass in the long run."

21:02:59 pete_dushenski: notbad observations via http://jackbaruth.com/?p=3968

21:03:01 assbot: The Sons Rise – Riverside Green ... ( http://bit.ly/1S4IwiD )

21:05:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00049848 = 1.4954 BTC [-]

21:09:38 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-12-2015#1357379 <--> "The price tag for housing, feeding and caring for a prisoner in California has climbed to almost $64,000 annually, up from $49,000 five years ago. Per prisoner, the state spends more than three times the amount it did 20 years ago when the population was a similar size."

21:09:38 assbot: Logged on 31-12-2015 15:35:16; asciilifeform: so to return to mircea_popescu's wild supposition, the answer is no - it is much CHEAPER to house a prisoner or pay a guard in usaschwitz than in, e.g., su

21:09:51 pete_dushenski: ^latest data

21:11:35 pete_dushenski: "When asked why the corrections budget hasn’t decreased, California officials often point to a court order to improve inmate medical care. In 2013, responding to the mandate, the state opened a new medical facility in Stockton, called the California Healthcare Facility, designed for inmates needing long-term inpatient medical care and intensive mental health services. The facility costs approximately $295 million a

21:11:35 pete_dushenski: y. The state has also faced increased costs for prescription medications, including $60.6 million this year for new Hepatitis C treatments." << need moar hyooman ritez!!

21:17:03 pete_dushenski: !up ascii_butugychag

21:17:32 ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361593 << 'everything has a good side. and a bad one'

21:17:32 assbot: Logged on 06-01-2016 21:00:12; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361440 << funny pic. translation asciilifeform, phf ?

21:18:47 jurov: sigh. namecheap is really a caricature now. clicked refresh icon in the domains list, and it replied:

21:18:53 jurov: The refresh process has begun. We’ll let you know when it’s complete.

21:18:56 ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361602 << understand that this means that it costs about the SAME in actual money

21:18:56 assbot: Logged on 06-01-2016 21:09:38; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-12-2015#1357379 <--> "The price tag for housing, feeding and caring for a prisoner in California has climbed to almost $64,000 annually, up from $49,000 five years ago. Per prisoner, the state spends more than three times the amount it did 20 years ago when the population was a similar size."

21:19:20 thestringpuller: ascii_butugychag: is this transaction in zulag? << https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/d8e60a0979024cce9159bd7b59594eae7dec627db5ac6bd088866afea533b0e9/

21:19:57 ascii_butugychag: thestringpuller: i do not know, ask it ?

21:20:08 ascii_butugychag: (you can do this as easily as i)

21:20:28 thestringpuller: Do i need a fully updated blockchain to pull mempool?

21:20:55 ascii_butugychag: on trb - yes!

21:21:04 ascii_butugychag: for (imho) obvious reasons

21:21:13 pete_dushenski: ascii_butugychag: aha (translation). and aha again (realbux).

21:21:16 thestringpuller: Then you can do it more easily than I :P

21:21:57 ascii_butugychag: this is a pretty good idea for a student project - write a thingy that connects to a node and asks for a tx

21:22:40 jurov: if you click on the blockcypher on the (out...) under "input consumed", you'll end up here:

21:22:46 jurov: https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/ebc5d768836400b1e2b4b53b13390401e904491ef9d4cb530624f9434f300705/#output-index-7

21:22:48 assbot: BTC Transaction ebc5d768836400b1e2b4b53b13390401e904491ef9d4cb530624f9434f300705 | BlockCypher ... ( http://bit.ly/1S4K7VH )

21:22:55 jurov: which says this tx has been doublespent

21:23:30 BingoBoingo: So did Bitbet get tricked by a double spend?

21:23:48 jurov: only if the other one is different

21:24:28 jurov: if it was merely malleated, then mp just needs to spend the mined one instead

21:24:59 thestringpuller: jurov: ah i thought that was just a glitch.

21:25:34 thestringpuller: cause this guy popped up when it said that >> https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/09e82c06cc5fbe3c0f2c2b6a1f575e8ecbb2a92bb493ca3a318525b1eeabe2bd

21:27:41 jurov: if i'm correct, then why mircea_popescu was spending so very fresh coins?

21:28:08 jurov: if he was spending some old mined output this could not have happened

21:31:04 jurov: especially in case of bitbet such churn is not necessary

21:35:48 ascii_butugychag: if bitbet is sufficiently roboticized, (is it?) this kind of situation is engineerable

21:36:14 jurov: also, it's interesting that noone voiced on #b-a happens to be around to analyze this situation better

21:37:17 jurov: btw, there is "api call" link on blockcypher, so you can get detailed info from there, too

21:37:56 jurov: including the tx itself

21:39:22 thestringpuller: jurov: if you try to push it to blockr.io it says "Inputs have double spends"

21:41:23 ascii_butugychag: ;;later tell ben_vulpes ever work with ACL2 Theorem Prover ?

21:41:24 jurov: thestringpuller: yes. now go compare ebc5d7688364 with 09e82c06cc to determine if it's merely malleated

21:41:24 gribble: The operation succeeded.

21:41:28 ascii_butugychag: or adlai, anybody ^

21:41:36 pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: that's an improvement from blockr because they were claiming to not recognise the transaction at all yesterday

21:41:39 jurov: or someone truly pulled the rug from under mp

21:43:46 ascii_butugychag: meta-nsa demo!1111

21:44:59 pete_dushenski: "Apple Inc shares dropped below $100 for the first time in nearly five months on Wednesday following reports of slowing shipments of the tech company's iPhone 6S and 6S Plus." << but can still buy all of russia, right guise ?

21:47:21 thestringpuller: blockcypher is relaying it, but likely the miners are seeing the tx as invalid for one of the two reasons jurov stated

21:47:53 thestringpuller: i'll check it out in a second (don't have a full node at disposal atm)

21:47:55 jurov: it is definitely not relaying it if it considers the input invalid

21:48:01 shinohai: !up ascii_butugychag

21:48:38 thestringpuller: jurov: well from the explorers standpoint blockcypher doesn't care is just saying "this tx is borked look at these double spent-like errors" and then the story continues

21:48:50 thestringpuller: when you push to blockr.io it detects a bad input and says "I won't relay this"

21:49:30 jurov: relaying and showing to the web user are two different things

21:50:00 ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361647 << apparently not enough idiots could be found to buy the $800-pNohe straight up without telco subsidy OR take the eternal rent

21:50:00 assbot: Logged on 06-01-2016 21:44:59; pete_dushenski: "Apple Inc shares dropped below $100 for the first time in nearly five months on Wednesday following reports of slowing shipments of the tech company's iPhone 6S and 6S Plus." << but can still buy all of russia, right guise ?

21:50:06 jurov: and i can understand the blockexplorers don't want to fill their database with invalid txen

21:50:53 jurov: !up mircea_popescu

21:51:46 thestringpuller: ascii_butugychag: i imagine you don't own a "smart-phone"

21:52:00 mircea_popescu: hhhola

21:52:13 ascii_butugychag: thestringpuller: what made you imagine this ?

21:52:17 jurov: hi. dirigible moored without incident?

21:52:44 thestringpuller: cause its a tracker in your pocket and I see you being a private man.

21:52:45 ascii_butugychag: thestringpuller: i own an example of just about every kind of toy

21:52:54 thestringpuller: ah but do you use said toy?

21:53:09 ascii_butugychag: thestringpuller: l0l tracker. as if everybody did not already know where i were going to and from.

21:54:04 mircea_popescu: jurov eh these derps, still figuring out electricity.

21:54:11 thestringpuller: ascii_butugychag: http://i.imgur.com/VdW0b.gif << is this your life

21:54:18 *: mircea_popescu had 5 vans from the elec company milling about/parked all around.

21:54:26 mircea_popescu: sorta made me think if simpson's sperms.

21:54:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7157 @ 0.00050106 = 3.5861 BTC [+] {2}

21:55:16 pete_dushenski: ascii_butugychag: it's more that all the idiots already have $800 iphn0es that works just fine thank you very much. new one isn't much better, watch is not cool. so : peak smartphone is a reality

21:55:24 ascii_butugychag: thestringpuller: approximately

21:55:42 thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: only problem is after 3 generations they force the phone to become obsolete.

21:56:41 pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: consumers are wisening up to even this. many not upgrading os despite 'sekkoority' concerns. or switch to chinese-android (yes, i've seen this happen)

21:57:09 ascii_butugychag: l0l turdroid bloatware crud

21:57:20 pete_dushenski: girl who leases $500/mo suv couldn't imagine justifying $800 iph0ne, so... bought $300 chinese thing

21:57:31 *: pete_dushenski has seen with own eyes

21:58:42 mircea_popescu: what suv does 500/mo get you ? honda ?

21:59:09 jurov: Shenzhen Scooby Communication Corp. is teh kul!

21:59:10 pete_dushenski: vw tiguan - small 'crossover' - like golf on stilts

21:59:21 mircea_popescu: haha!

22:04:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4516 @ 0.00049848 = 2.2511 BTC [-]

22:05:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21884 @ 0.00049762 = 10.8899 BTC [-]

22:22:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13650 @ 0.00049762 = 6.7925 BTC [-] {2}

22:24:39 pete_dushenski: " TransCanada Corp sued the U.S government in U.S. federal court on Wednesday, alleging President Barack Obama's rejection of the Keystone XL pipeline exceeded his power under the U.S. Constitution. Obama rejected the cross-border crude oil pipeline late last year, seven years after it was first proposed. TransCanada also filed legal action with NAFTA authorities saying the pipeline permit denial was "arbitrary and u

22:24:39 pete_dushenski: fied."" << mkay gl with this one

22:26:10 mircea_popescu: heh lost connection.

22:26:20 mircea_popescu: anyway, i was saying : nono, no bash yet, you missed the punchline. he bought himself a.... husqvarna!

22:27:55 ascii_butugychag: chainsaw?!

22:28:05 jurov: kakobrekla: assbot ip leaks

22:28:29 kakobrekla: jurov cloak does not really hide your ip either so its irrelevant

22:28:30 kakobrekla: mircea_popescu i suspect bb payouts were made with malleabled confirmed inputs and will never be mined for that that reason

22:28:32 jurov: lol digitalocean?

22:28:52 pete_dushenski: ascii_butugychag: http://www.husqvarna-motorcycles.com/

22:28:53 assbot: Husqvarna Motorcycles - Pioneering since 1903 ... ( http://bit.ly/1VK8XJo )

22:34:25 BingoBoingo: I thought Husqvarna was the chainsaw and undersized tractor company

22:34:55 jurov: BingoBoingo: they make plenty of other stuff, even sewing machines

22:35:03 BingoBoingo: ic

22:35:26 jurov: my mom had one, we joked about it often

22:36:50 BingoBoingo: I had no idea they were so diversified

22:37:43 jurov: pity they don't make guns (but who knows)

22:38:04 ascii_butugychag: iirc they do

22:38:11 ascii_butugychag: incl. artillery pieces

22:38:29 BingoBoingo: Round these part's they are known as the people who make orange stuff for rural folk

22:39:19 pete_dushenski: not to be with rural folk ktm kit

22:40:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4034 @ 0.00049762 = 2.0074 BTC [-]

22:45:37 pete_dushenski: not to be *confused* (ironically)

22:49:35 BingoBoingo: !t m s.bbet

22:49:36 assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0.000111 / 0.000111 / 0.000111 (1025 shares, 0.11 BTC), 7D: 0.0001 / 0.00012004 / 0.00013 (2400 shares, 0.29 BTC), 30D: 0.0001 / 0.00012004 / 0.00013 (2400 shares, 0.29 BTC)

22:51:37 phf: they seemed to have made a bunch of very nice bolt actions including an m38 version

22:54:11 phf: http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=535214758 for all your shtf needs

22:54:12 assbot: Husqvarna 30-06 with Scope : Bolt Action Rifles at GunBroker.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rj8fUG )

23:08:40 pete_dushenski: http://dimsums.blogspot.ca/2015/12/china-pushes-reform-puzzles-over-grain.html << one for the sino-agricultural enthusiasts

23:08:41 assbot: Dim Sums: Rural China Economics and Policy: China Pushes Reform, Puzzles Over Grain Glut ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rja4ky )

23:25:37 pete_dushenski: http://epapers.bham.ac.uk/2100/1/cepler_working_paper_13_2015.pdf << hehe. little bro taking the crown in essay competition re : brexit.

23:25:39 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1OPd9St )

23:26:31 pete_dushenski: i wonder where he got the idea to use footnotes from...

23:27:08 *: pete_dushenski did not write this paper for him, takes no credit

23:31:45 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform apparently they also make motorcycles.

23:32:03 mircea_popescu: but yeah, it's what floored me, dude you're riding a chainsaw now ?!

23:32:16 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i guess bitcoin has a problem then.

23:32:41 kakobrekla: trying to resend n times wont fix it.

23:32:50 *: pete_dushenski thought world was supposed to adapt to bitcoin, not vice versa

23:33:11 kakobrekla: not in current implementation.

23:33:31 kakobrekla: you want to adapt a pile of cpp crud ?

23:33:37 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla actually, your theory is incorrect.

23:33:58 mircea_popescu: the txn aren't chained. i don't do that.

23:34:16 mircea_popescu: all my inputs are actual inputs as found in a block, not implicit inputs as found in a txn

23:34:17 kakobrekla: you dont use coin control

23:36:22 mircea_popescu: wut ?

23:36:56 jurov: mircea_popescu: you spent freshly created output that was not yet mined

23:37:04 mircea_popescu: jurov no ?

23:37:11 jurov: yes?

23:38:19 mircea_popescu: https://blockchain.info/tx/09e82c06cc5fbe3c0f2c2b6a1f575e8ecbb2a92bb493ca3a318525b1eeabe2bd << as you can see the input is mined

23:38:19 assbot: Bitcoin Transaction 09e82c06cc5fbe3c0f2c2b6a1f575e8ecbb2a92bb493ca3a318525b1eeabe2bd ... ( http://bit.ly/1OPeA3o )

23:38:31 mircea_popescu: if we're discussing d8e60a0979024cce9159bd7b59594eae7dec627db5ac6bd088866afea533b0e9

23:38:36 mircea_popescu: are we ?

23:39:05 jurov: but it was mined just yesterday

23:39:20 mircea_popescu: so ?

23:39:42 mircea_popescu: Confirmations 428 Confirmations

23:39:53 jurov: but you did not use it

23:39:55 mircea_popescu: that'd be about 3 days.

23:40:08 jurov: you used ebc5d768836400b1e2b4b53b13390401e904491ef9d4cb530624f9434f300705 as input instead

23:40:13 mircea_popescu: yes, d8e60a0979024cce9159bd7b59594eae7dec627db5ac6bd088866afea533b0e9 has a single input, from 1EMmmcooTXe64SY5X3FwTC1HU1t32XLWPx

23:40:27 jurov: https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/ebc5d768836400b1e2b4b53b13390401e904491ef9d4cb530624f9434f300705/#output-index-7

23:40:29 assbot: BTC Transaction ebc5d768836400b1e2b4b53b13390401e904491ef9d4cb530624f9434f300705 | BlockCypher ... ( http://bit.ly/1S4K7VH )

23:41:02 mircea_popescu: look : there's)

23:41:16 mircea_popescu: (at all times) an infinity of txids corresponding to any transaction floating around

23:41:25 mircea_popescu: seeing how one signs THE ADDRESS not the fucking txid, this is irrelevant

23:41:59 jurov: how comes then, the only blockexplorer that shows the txt, says it's spending invalid output?

23:42:35 mircea_popescu: i am not in the business of debugging the blockchain, really. i am in the business of making payments. i can in fact prove that i did sign a transaction, from an address that had the coin, to the addresses that should get it.

23:42:41 kakobrekla: im saying what jurov is saying and it would explain pretty much whole behavior

23:42:42 mircea_popescu: beyond this... what am i to do ?

23:43:04 mircea_popescu: if it explains the behaviour or not isn't really all that germane.

23:43:08 jurov: refresh the wallet, resend

23:43:25 mircea_popescu: because...

23:43:36 kakobrekla: i fell in the same tarpit with not too long ago.

23:43:49 mircea_popescu: seems bitcoin needs to be fixed.

23:43:49 kakobrekla: by accident.

23:44:05 kakobrekla: it was clear for a long time its broked.

23:44:06 jurov: because you used not yet confirmed coins and someone malleated their transaction

23:44:14 kakobrekla: ^^

23:44:15 mircea_popescu: jurov the coins i used were confirmed.

23:44:27 jurov: when you issued the tx?

23:44:28 mircea_popescu: again : 428 Confirmations, aboutg 3 days old.

23:44:33 mircea_popescu: yes, when i issued the tx.

23:44:47 mircea_popescu: but that is ALSO irrelevant : if the address had only cpoins now, the tx should go out... noe.

23:44:55 mircea_popescu: now*

23:45:19 kakobrekla: the wallet keeps broken tx (a double spend attempt) and can use it for the next tx which wont go through, ever.

23:45:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25100 @ 0.00049439 = 12.4092 BTC [-] {2}

23:46:15 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla transactions consist of a signed bitcoin address. not of a signed bitcoin txnid.

23:46:30 mircea_popescu: as long as the fucking address has coins and was signed, that is ALL.

23:46:34 mircea_popescu: and in any case that MUST be all.

23:46:41 kakobrekla: yes it will try to use the outputs of that broken tx

23:46:54 mircea_popescu: "output" means address.

23:47:06 mircea_popescu: "malleation" can not change address.

23:47:47 mircea_popescu: in fact, if anything can change output address, or if a third party can invalidate a valid txn i signed, bitcoin is dead.

23:48:04 kakobrekla: the client will use you change address funds which will never get confirmed.

23:48:22 mircea_popescu: huh ?

23:50:00 mircea_popescu: in any case : at the time d8e60a0979024cce9159bd7b59594eae7dec627db5ac6bd088866afea533b0e9 was broadcast, one of the numerous txids corresponding to its input had in fact been confirmed, for 6+ blocks.

23:51:46 punkman: so you used a 6+ conf output that got orphaned or what?

23:52:57 mircea_popescu: that what ?

23:53:14 mircea_popescu: no dude, it's not orphaned or anything. it's in the chain. again, 400+ fucking confirmations should mean something.

23:54:34 kakobrekla: you make a txid T1 which gets phucked and your wallet ends up with a confirmed T2 and unconfirmed T1. this T1 stays in the wallet forever if you dont do anything to it. the client may select that never-to-be-confirmed T1 change address at any time in the future if you dont not-use it specifically.

23:55:24 mircea_popescu: T is irrelevant for this discussion. i send btc to address x. this confirms. what t it has does not matter. i send btc from address x. this fails to be included.

23:55:50 mircea_popescu: there is not an acceptable explanation for why this should happen. in fact, it may not happen. period.

23:56:07 kakobrekla: T is relevant because unconfirmed coins on the change address are ok to be sent.

23:56:16 kakobrekla: even if they arent there any more.

23:56:37 mircea_popescu: then you should say "i see a doublespend on your input for tx d8e60a0979024cce9159bd7b59594eae7dec627db5ac6bd088866afea533b0e9"

23:56:41 mircea_popescu: unless you can say that you've nothing to say.

23:57:31 mircea_popescu: a transaction that spends bitcoin from an address, that is signed and that has the bitcoin may never be rejected.

23:58:22 kakobrekla: yes but perhaps the client selected T2 in the next transaction you made and T1 in the transaction after that.

23:58:51 kakobrekla: and i mean the change addresses

23:58:52 punkman: inputs reference txids not adresses, do they not?

23:58:53 mircea_popescu: this is irrelevant. txids are not part of transactions.

23:59:01 kakobrekla: CHANGE ADDRESS

23:59:03 mircea_popescu: inputs reference addresses.

23:59:15 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i dun get it ?

23:59:25 kakobrekla: ferfuxake

23:59:45 mircea_popescu: explain like i'm five omaigerd!

23:59:52 jurov: no, addresses are irrelevant

23:59:57 mircea_popescu: wut ?