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00:00:04 mircea_popescu: by its very nature this is a rare occurence, best handled by exceptional means

00:00:13 mircea_popescu: a protocol is exactly the opposite of exceptional means.

00:00:20 herbijudlestoids: lets say iv hired you to be my security consultant then

00:00:23 herbijudlestoids: what would you suggest i do

00:00:30 herbijudlestoids: i give you the requirement, you must meet it, or not get paid.

00:00:37 lippoper: we only talk in person

00:00:42 mircea_popescu: on the data so far i'd suggest you get laid ?

00:00:43 herbijudlestoids: lippoper: i didnt hire you

00:00:49 lippoper: leave all electronics behind ;-)

00:00:50 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Who really doesn't matter. My "anonymity" is merely at the behest of polite requests to people who could confirm otherwise. Who talks to who is always difficult to hide. Focus on hiding the subject and the message.

00:00:55 asciilifeform: anyone who goes, 'i want crypto!' without some idea of the actual problem he is trying to solve, is in an advanced state of sin.

00:00:55 mircea_popescu: i mean... i still dunno what you're trying to accomplish. talk to the entire world secretly ?

00:01:04 lippoper: Well, that's your first problem ;-)

00:01:23 herbijudlestoids: no

00:01:38 mircea_popescu: so you are trying to talk to identified entity X without anyone but X knowing it's you talking to them ?

00:01:45 BingoBoingo: If everything abut you is secret you get ignored.

00:01:45 herbijudlestoids: yes.

00:01:51 mircea_popescu: is X friendly or hostile ?

00:01:56 herbijudlestoids: X is friendly

00:02:08 BingoBoingo: What is X is incredibly hostile?

00:02:11 lippoper: what about Y?

00:02:17 BingoBoingo: You just don't know it yet.

00:02:26 mircea_popescu: fine, call in to radio shows, have a modem buzzing in the background.

00:02:29 asciilifeform: if X is hostile, then anything X knows, the enemy learns immediately.

00:02:32 mircea_popescu: have them listen to radio shows

00:02:36 mircea_popescu: worked just fine in ww2.

00:02:41 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Bingo

00:02:59 herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: thanks for adding some useless lines to the convo

00:03:10 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the q was to see if it's during or post delivery that the threat begins

00:03:39 herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: the requirement is to talk over the internet

00:03:46 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids my general point here being that once you yielded to the adversary the identification of the channel,

00:03:52 mircea_popescu: you've already lost most of the battle.

00:03:56 mircea_popescu: keep the channel secret in your model.

00:03:59 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Imma just adding further reading. Sometimes the noise between the lines can have meaning. Even if it isn't obvious in your particular use case as you imagine.

00:04:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.109 = 0.218 BTC [+]

00:04:38 herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: but i have not identified the channel

00:04:45 mircea_popescu: uh.

00:04:47 herbijudlestoids: all they could possibly know is that im using i2p

00:05:04 asciilifeform: steganography is an actual field, anyone for whom traffic analysis is more than an academic puzzle would do well to learn the basics;

00:05:06 herbijudlestoids: there could be a jabber server, irc server, even direct i2p-tunnel messages...

00:05:10 asciilifeform: but it is by its very nature non-standardizable.

00:05:11 BingoBoingo: i2p makes tor look easy.

00:05:44 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids so you're trying to gain some destandardization back. already a step in the right direction, but why do it this windows style.

00:05:49 mircea_popescu: just don't standardize i nthe first place.

00:05:58 herbijudlestoids: not sure what you mean

00:06:20 herbijudlestoids: what im saying is i can walk into the city, reaver a WPS pin, login using tails and communicate over irc/jabber/whatever over i2p

00:06:25 herbijudlestoids: how is the channel known

00:06:26 mircea_popescu: well i have the converse problem : not sure how to make it clearer.

00:07:23 herbijudlestoids: dear diary: today i hired mircea_popescu as a security consultant, and he told me to magically contact my counterpart to let them know they need to listen to eadio on certain frequency at certain time

00:07:32 asciilifeform: standardized stego (e.g. 'let's all encode messages in the lowest color bit of lolcat photos) is about as useful as the practice of hiding your house key under the door mat.

00:07:56 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids this is a decent point, in that you'll both need to be on the same page.

00:08:09 mircea_popescu: there's a long distance from this to making "a meta-protective protocol" tho.

00:08:19 mircea_popescu: just finish each message with "next message in the form of lolcats"

00:08:23 mircea_popescu: again, worked fine in ww2.

00:08:35 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Twist in the plot: key under the rug can't withstand the torque necessary to turn the lock and breaks inside...

00:08:52 herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: these are literally the problems OTR was designed to solve lol

00:09:13 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: grenade sans pin with the spoon held down by the rug, if you like.

00:09:15 herbijudlestoids: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_millionaire

00:09:17 ozbot: Socialist millionaire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

00:10:31 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I an imagining less explosions, but kind of yes. Sabotaged key under the rug that is both useless and leaves a trace of attempts at its use.

00:11:03 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids otr protects your meta-data now ?

00:11:14 mircea_popescu: i gues in the sense of no signatures...

00:11:27 asciilifeform: herbijudlestoids: what problem would you actually like to solve? that is, what is the portrait of the enemy? and what is to be protected?

00:11:41 herbijudlestoids: asciilifeform: i cant really tell you that

00:11:47 asciilifeform: no need to be specific

00:11:53 asciilifeform: just generalities

00:11:57 herbijudlestoids: the problem i would like to solve, is very very simple

00:12:03 asciilifeform: e.g. 'nsa' and 'warez'

00:12:34 herbijudlestoids: there is another geek, somewhere on the internet. we work on a project together. if someone wanted to attack that project, the easiest way would be to find out who ran it

00:12:45 herbijudlestoids: we need to talk...maybe once a month or less...

00:12:48 herbijudlestoids: over the internet.

00:12:54 asciilifeform: talk in real time?

00:12:57 herbijudlestoids: yes.

00:13:07 mircea_popescu: i doubt otr actually covers this case.

00:13:18 herbijudlestoids: it has to be impossible for anyone to ever use those communicatoins to find out who is running the project.

00:13:31 herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: i told you like 50 times we are using OTR to encrypt conversations that take place over i2p

00:13:32 mircea_popescu: if for no other reason then because it is probably feasible for the adversary to build a list of people and then cross names off

00:13:43 mircea_popescu: they won't KNOW it's you, they will however know it's none of the other schmucks.

00:13:57 mircea_popescu: they can take place over the naked body of mary.

00:15:01 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Why not turtle routing if it is only two known parties that can exchange credentials in person?

00:15:17 asciilifeform: it depends on what the project is. if it's a lamecoin, it could be 10,000 schmucks. if it's a working TWINKLE, your name is shamir and they already know where you live.

00:15:48 herbijudlestoids: i dunno what a twinkle is, but my name is sina, so close enough :P

00:16:09 herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: explain?

00:16:12 asciilifeform: http://www.ussrback.com/crypto/rsa/TWINKLE/twinkle.html

00:16:20 herbijudlestoids: ah F2F

00:16:42 herbijudlestoids: if i wanted F2F i would use gnunet, but i want intermediary nodes to take the traffic load, i dont want to talk directly to the counterparts IP

00:17:03 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Turtle routing is kind of like i2p except the assumption exists you actually know and meat/meet everyone you connect to.

00:17:26 herbijudlestoids: yeah...no...i would likely use the gnunet for F2F comms

00:17:38 herbijudlestoids: asciilifeform: it is not a working TWINKLE :)

00:17:41 asciilifeform: herbijudlestoids: is cost a constraint?

00:17:56 asciilifeform: because if it isn't, you can stuff bytes in the btc block chain.

00:18:00 herbijudlestoids: haha

00:18:18 herbijudlestoids: why on earth would i persist OTR conversations into the blockchain

00:18:25 mircea_popescu: and if it is, you can stuff bytes in altcoin block chain.

00:18:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [MS] 4000 @ 0.005 = 20 BTC

00:18:44 asciilifeform: agree on public keys, and encrypt

00:18:51 asciilifeform: the agreement only needs to happen once

00:19:06 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform by the way : have you considered this is probably a major driver for the altcoins ? do some secret messaging, in ten years nobody will exist with a copy of the blockchain anyway

00:19:06 herbijudlestoids: i definitely do not want to persist anything in any blockchain!

00:19:41 asciilifeform: herbijudlestoids: assume that every packet you send over the public net gets 'persisted' regardless of whether you asked for it

00:19:42 herbijudlestoids: lel you guys crack me up

00:19:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1099 BTC [+]

00:19:45 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids your notion that stuff going through the internet is ephemeral boggles me :D

00:19:55 mircea_popescu: shit, beaten to it again

00:20:00 mircea_popescu: i gotta learn to touchtype already.

00:20:04 herbijudlestoids: asciilifeform: i make that assumption, but i why would i WILLINGLY persist something in the blockchain

00:20:16 mircea_popescu: because it's better to fuck willingly than to get fucked ?

00:20:34 asciilifeform: because this way 10,000 lamers are all equal candidates for the inquisition, for having said packets on disk

00:20:34 mircea_popescu: at least in some people's estimation.

00:21:05 herbijudlestoids: asciilifeform: in that case i would always use freenet, but i dont want persistence and prefer 10,000 lamers to have the packets in their NIC than on their disk.

00:21:06 BingoBoingo: I wonder if anti-Zyprexa exists...

00:21:38 herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: you want a psychotic inducer?

00:22:09 mircea_popescu: acid prolly works...

00:22:12 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Not exactly

00:22:25 BingoBoingo: More like a complacency relaxer

00:22:41 herbijudlestoids: so you want to increase your motivation?

00:22:43 herbijudlestoids: try l-tyrosine

00:22:48 herbijudlestoids: catecholamine precursor.

00:23:33 asciilifeform: herbijudlestoids: i'm feeling generous, have an example:

00:23:34 asciilifeform: http://pastebin.com/YQ0b2Lmp

00:23:35 ozbot: [Python] caster - Pastebin.com

00:23:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00093557 = 6.2683 BTC [+] {2}

00:24:29 mircea_popescu: http://www.psychforums.com/anti-psych/topic85874.html

00:24:31 ozbot: Zyprexa withdrawal Horror stories : Anti-Psych Forum - Psych forums

00:24:31 herbijudlestoids: asciilifeform: thanks for your generosity i guess, what is this?

00:24:33 mircea_popescu: pretty good shit.

00:24:39 mircea_popescu: you people and your synthetic helpers.

00:25:07 asciilifeform: and http://pastebin.com/Uw9syzhV

00:25:07 herbijudlestoids: i dont take any synthetics, l-tyrosine is a metabolic precursor you can easily obtain from food :)

00:25:26 BingoBoingo: I only brought Zyprexa up, because Vitamin H would have been too obvious...

00:26:56 asciilifeform: herbijudlestoids: recipe, for stowing four octets in the blockchain.

00:27:05 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: If you want catecholamine precursors though Lima/Fava beans work just fine

00:27:09 herbijudlestoids: asciilifeform: ah right. thx...i appreciate the gesture :)

00:27:52 herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: um, no, the beans contain L-DOPA which is an acute dopamine precursor, l-tyrosine is much more effective and less acute, precursor to all catecholamines

00:27:56 ThickAsThieves: fava beans are the best beans

00:28:41 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Your chemistry isn't wrong, but it is missing 4 steps and 9 pathways.

00:28:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29031 @ 0.00093295 = 27.0845 BTC [-] {2}

00:29:29 BingoBoingo: Also there is no such thing is an acute precursor unless you want to talk prodrugs like codeine

00:29:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10072 @ 0.00092835 = 9.3503 BTC [-]

00:29:57 ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker

00:29:57 gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 875.0, Best ask: 885.0, Bid-ask spread: 10.00000, Last trade: 885.0, 24 hour volume: 8996.57601486, 24 hour low: 870.0, 24 hour high: 939.93, 24 hour vwap: 905.17233

00:30:04 BingoBoingo: ;;lasers

00:30:05 gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*

00:30:18 ThickAsThieves: lol

00:30:24 herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: i mean acute as in relative to l-tyrosine

00:30:35 herbijudlestoids: same way that 5-htp versus l-tryptophan

00:31:08 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: I think you read pharmacology equivalents to the National Enquirer a bit too much.

00:31:16 asciilifeform: herbijudlestoids: four octets ought to be a roomy enough 'dead drop' for anyone

00:31:32 herbijudlestoids: asciilifeform: dead drop is not my requirement

00:31:48 asciilifeform: dead drop can tell the friendly forces where to find whatever.

00:32:05 herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: im not a neuroscientist, but i did used to work at the largest neuroscience research facility in australia. consider my knowledge on the topic a poor carbon copy

00:32:07 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: 5-HTP is mostly a precusor of things that aren't catecholamines anyway

00:32:30 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: I haven't taken a bio class since 7th grade.

00:32:38 herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: you misunderstand, i was referring to 5-htp being a direct serotonin precursor (equiv of L-DOPA for dopamine) and l-tryptophan being broader/less acute

00:33:35 asciilifeform: serotonin more or less stops at the blood-brain barrier, so 5-htp just annoys your liver.

00:33:42 herbijudlestoids: 5-htp is the l-dopa of serotonin...is what i meant

00:33:51 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: But in vitro most 5-HTP becomes various histamines as opposed to becoming serotinin.

00:34:18 herbijudlestoids: who cares about in vitro

00:34:23 herbijudlestoids: i am talking about when you eat it

00:34:25 herbijudlestoids: in vivo

00:34:37 BingoBoingo: 5-HTP generallyis dangerous because it is a histamine precursor rather than a serotonin precursor.

00:35:01 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Well, I'm not in the habit of cutting vexual open.

00:35:14 herbijudlestoids: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2357555

00:35:21 ozbot: Striatal dopamine terminals release serotonin afte... [Brain Res. 1990] - PubMed - NCBI

00:35:26 herbijudlestoids: "Peripheral administration of 5-hydroxytryptophan (5-HTP) to rats causes 'wet dog' shakes and a parallel elevation of brain serotonin (5-HT) levels. "

00:36:31 BingoBoingo: And nicotinic receptor inhibitors like succicholine cause paralasis.

00:37:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5250 @ 0.0009358 = 4.913 BTC [+]

00:37:11 BingoBoingo: Most serotogenic receptors from the five documented families happen in the bowels.

00:37:15 herbijudlestoids: we have come a long way from your question of wanting to remove complacency

00:37:30 herbijudlestoids: i suggested something to increase endogenous adrenaline and dopamine together.

00:37:33 herbijudlestoids: my 2c :)

00:37:35 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: And now we are talking about shit.

00:37:59 mircea_popescu: http://25.media.tumblr.com/02d74622f0955143cb0d95a07d983fec/tumblr_mfoxk60OCb1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg

00:38:03 mircea_popescu: meanwhile irl...

00:38:23 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: The thing is meth can do that cheaper. Combine meth and an MAOI and you can do it fast and incredibly cheap with incredible safety.

00:38:39 BingoBoingo: Tits

00:39:09 ThickAsThieves: 850

00:39:17 cazalla: that zyprexa link.. why would a 6 year old be on that

00:39:37 cazalla: and what type of parent would give consent

00:39:49 herbijudlestoids: lel if you think meth + MAOI removes complacency

00:39:56 asciilifeform: in what universe is 'meth' cheap?

00:40:01 herbijudlestoids: cazalla: US Big Pharma influenced doctors :)

00:40:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.11 BTC [+]

00:40:13 mircea_popescu: cazalla no need for parental consent in the us.

00:40:31 herbijudlestoids: cazalla: they go to a conference, there is big pharma salespeople there, there is other doctors who were paid by big pharma to do studies, et

00:40:54 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: You know we only whack you because we like you.

00:40:59 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Missouri

00:41:18 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what, it is cheap. cheapest thing on the street.

00:41:20 herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: why is that lady naked?

00:41:33 herbijudlestoids: she seems out of place

00:41:42 herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: <3

00:41:44 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i think you misunderstand. e.g. an AK-47 is 'cheap', if you're a Pashtun. but say you're a Brit.

00:42:19 herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: this is the first irc chan that i have hung out in since probly 2010...should give you a clue :)

00:42:21 mircea_popescu: no, it's cheap. go to wherever the homeless gather where you live and ask.

00:42:24 asciilifeform: then you pay 10x, and roll in the cost of lawyers, bribes, etc. if you're found out.

00:42:47 cazalla: herbijudlestoids: i know how it works but it's just shocking a 6 year old would be taking it, my dad takes a small dose to manage his schizophrenia and it did wonders for him but still, a 6 year old?

00:42:56 mircea_popescu: it's like the altchain of drugs, every fuckwit can cook it.

00:43:04 herbijudlestoids: cazalla: profit margins yo, they must be kept up

00:43:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 512 @ 0.00082279 = 0.4213 BTC [-] {4}

00:43:09 asciilifeform: the basic formula for black market cost is 'Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi'

00:43:17 benkay: translation?

00:43:19 mircea_popescu: cazalla that drug cost a 100 mn to create and 5 bn to market.

00:43:27 asciilifeform: esp. now that 'silk road' is done

00:43:33 mircea_popescu: you think that can be paid off on the backs of the five hundred old people with an actual need for it ?

00:43:34 herbijudlestoids: cazalla: if your marketing strategy is so successful that it encompasses the entire 21-65yo spectrum...what do you do? expand the market ;)

00:43:53 BingoBoingo: I knew plenty of kids in elementary school on the Desoxyn

00:43:57 mircea_popescu: benkay what's legit for jesus isn't legit for random fuckwit

00:44:39 cazalla: not familiar with that one BingoBoingo, zyprexa gave my dad a sane life though

00:44:44 mircea_popescu: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/hawaii-family-sues-dentist-root-canal-left-3-year-old-girl-brain-dead-article-1.1565600

00:44:46 mircea_popescu: here's a good one.

00:44:48 ozbot: Hawaii family sues dentist for root canal that left 3-year-old girl BRAIN DEAD - NY Daily News

00:44:59 mircea_popescu: think about it... root canals in milk teeth.

00:44:59 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: In Detroit,St Louis, and Chicago the most common caliber used in homicides was .22LR

00:45:05 herbijudlestoids: cazalla: lol desoxyn is meth :)

00:45:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1488 @ 0.00076609 = 1.1399 BTC [-] {15}

00:45:11 cazalla: 3 year olds need root canal?

00:45:24 cazalla: must've given her pepsi instead of breastmilk

00:45:24 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if govt. stats are to be believed, this is true in all 50 states.

00:45:24 mircea_popescu: cazalla in the us, yes.

00:46:09 asciilifeform: low pressure round. hence pistols with barrels made of cheap hell-knows-what alloy.

00:46:12 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well problem probably isn't government stats in this case. In this case it is people who want to bake a murder want to use an expendable and cheap weapon.

00:47:06 mircea_popescu: so i guess the real gangstas are the people with daisies and red ryders in their mtv videos

00:47:20 mircea_popescu: as opposed to all the fakers with platform machine guns and anti tank missile launchers

00:47:35 asciilifeform: .22, 'olympic' caliber, favourite of executioners around the world

00:47:59 BingoBoingo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQ7mhLp0abU

00:48:00 ozbot: homicide da union - YouTube

00:48:13 asciilifeform: traditionally used at 'point blank' range. no exit wound, bounces around in the head.

00:48:37 herbijudlestoids: ew

00:49:03 asciilifeform: every once in a while, somebody fellates a .22 and lives

00:49:09 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: For small game fillinf hollow points with phosphorous has its virtues

00:50:15 herbijudlestoids: let me tell you guys about our prime minister

00:50:20 herbijudlestoids: his name is tony abbott

00:50:24 herbijudlestoids: imagine george bush

00:50:24 BingoBoingo: da union has the best videos on Youtube

00:50:29 herbijudlestoids: and then take away all of the intelligence

00:50:32 herbijudlestoids: thats tony abbott

00:50:47 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: light the meat? why?

00:51:22 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Marks where the lead settles, by yes scorching the wound tunnel.

00:51:43 BingoBoingo: Usefull on fatty shit like woodchucks

00:52:30 BingoBoingo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJgu7nGzBRM

00:52:31 ozbot: FLAGS DA UNION - YouTube

00:52:49 herbijudlestoids: ill tell you guys what

00:53:01 herbijudlestoids: i will give up my 0.02BTC to anyone who wants to come to aus and challenge tony abbott to a fight

00:53:26 asciilifeform: saddam h. reportedly challenged mr. bush to a duel.

00:54:26 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Plenty of sandbars here. Talk him into a meeting on the mississippi. Plenty of sand bars with questionable jurisdiction.

00:54:53 BingoBoingo: US Senators used to end their careers on those all of the time.

00:55:11 herbijudlestoids: i fucken hate this guy

00:55:27 herbijudlestoids: i used to think i hated our previous, conservative, 4 term PM, john howard

00:55:33 herbijudlestoids: but i love john howard compared to tony abbott...

00:55:46 BingoBoingo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCJLTSP8g_4

00:55:51 wao-ender: so

00:56:11 ozbot: REAL STL HOOD FIGHTZ- "Cam vs. J.R. Pt. 2" (Unedited) - YouTube

00:56:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00092862 = 6.7789 BTC [-]

00:57:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+]

00:59:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] [PAID] 5.28978394 BTC to 19`322 shares, 27377 satoshi per share

00:59:30 herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: are they actually gonna fight lol

01:00:13 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: I dunno

01:00:17 herbijudlestoids: the answer is no

01:00:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22700 @ 0.00093457 = 21.2147 BTC [+]

01:00:24 herbijudlestoids: waste of 4 minutes

01:00:59 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: How do you know pt 3 isn't set in the back of an ambulance?

01:01:20 herbijudlestoids: there is no part 3

01:02:02 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids what specifically is the complaint ?

01:02:35 herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: against abbott?

01:02:40 mircea_popescu: yea

01:04:03 herbijudlestoids: let me show you a video

01:04:12 mircea_popescu: nah.

01:04:27 mircea_popescu: ain't nobody got no time for that.

01:04:47 herbijudlestoids: its lelworthy, 2m43s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wT9XS_TvzQ

01:06:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] [PAID] 0.83710380 BTC to 321`963 shares, 260 satoshi per share

01:07:23 herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: i dunno how i can exactly explain it...but i guess its very similar to bush snr vs jnr. policywise, identical...but you feel embarrassed when you see them overseas representing you

01:07:28 mircea_popescu: lmao the keiser muppet made his own coin

01:07:30 BingoBoingo: Ain't nobody got time for dat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIKI7ArSvlY

01:07:43 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Lnk plox?

01:08:23 mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/maxkeiser

01:08:24 ozbot: Max Keiser (maxkeiser) on Twitter

01:08:26 mircea_popescu: good for a lol.

01:08:33 mircea_popescu: (no actual link to the thing anywhere there)

01:08:49 mircea_popescu: "As a stage of the launch will release password protected .rar files for important downloads, followed by passwords a time later."

01:09:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 36 @ 0.50230358 = 18.0829 BTC [-] {19}

01:09:37 mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/LionelMedia/status/431114885024722944

01:09:38 ozbot: Twitter / LionelMedia: Maxcoin is the new Dogecoin. ...

01:09:53 mircea_popescu: the funny thing, of course, is that he's following mp mandated policy TO SPITE ME

01:09:55 mircea_popescu: people.

01:10:27 mircea_popescu: my life would have been infinitely boring-er without bitcoin, for srs.

01:10:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.49300333 = 1.479 BTC [-] {3}

01:10:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.11 = 0.55 BTC [+]

01:10:43 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/431233382152810497

01:10:44 ozbot: Twitter / BBoingo: @maxkeiser @KeiserReport ...

01:11:11 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: To think all you would have before would have been the slave girls and the fortune

01:11:36 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=438150.0

01:11:38 ozbot: [PRE-ANN][MAX] MaxCoin

01:11:39 mircea_popescu: there you go.

01:12:11 mircea_popescu: BTC Block time? 30 seconds << that's the innovation.

01:12:22 BingoBoingo: Wait SHA-3? WHo has some FPGAs?

01:12:45 BingoBoingo: THere's some good VHDL cores for that.

01:12:59 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'ebay.' a dime a dozen.

01:13:14 mircea_popescu: course the code got leaked

01:13:23 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I mean who still has FPGAs to sink them nao...

01:13:36 herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo has enlightened me, i had no idea how many videos of black people nearly fighting each other but not, were on youtube

01:13:53 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: plenty of people own fpgas. me, for instance.

01:14:09 pankkake: videos of "nigger friday"?

01:14:22 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=320659.msg4952359#msg4952359

01:14:23 ozbot: [MCXNOW IPO] : 11,000 BTC raised [ UPDATE : OVER ]

01:14:29 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Sure we just need the set of people with FPGAs and who would like to luke-jr Max Keister

01:14:35 mircea_popescu: check it out, realsolid (of solidcoin scam fame) is like... raising ipos and whatnot

01:14:56 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: He went scam on that IPO like months ago.

01:14:57 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo im pretty sure that's being taken care of.

01:15:03 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo no ?!

01:15:07 mircea_popescu: but how could that be.

01:15:20 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Solidcoin 4?

01:15:40 mircea_popescu: lol

01:15:47 nubbins`: you want a psychosis inducer, lsd is a poor choice

01:16:04 nubbins`: try atropine or scopolamine type stuff

01:16:06 mircea_popescu: "just get married" ?

01:16:11 nubbins`: ha

01:16:16 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Actually if you want speed dramamine is the fastest route.

01:16:19 herbijudlestoids: nubbins`: thats delerium, not psychosis.

01:16:23 BingoBoingo: At the right doses

01:16:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.11249999 = 0.225 BTC [+]

01:16:50 nubbins`: herbijudlestoids, one's as good as the other

01:17:24 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Neither of those are very good. Delerium versus psychosis is Riddler versus Joker.

01:17:33 Vexual: eat lead paint

01:17:40 mircea_popescu: you know it's spelled delirium

01:17:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.1169 = 0.3507 BTC [+]

01:17:43 assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.C110T] 225 @ 0.01806074 = 4.0637 BTC [-]

01:17:49 nubbins`: i was gonna let the spelling slide

01:17:59 nubbins`: bingo, i'm not up on my batman villains

01:18:01 BingoBoingo: Vexual: Thank you markov chain!!! Shekel me nao.

01:18:04 mircea_popescu: me too but it was taking up a life of its own

01:18:07 herbijudlestoids: so it is

01:18:31 nubbins`: deleterious delirium

01:18:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 62 @ 0.00514563 = 0.319 BTC [-] {7}

01:18:43 mircea_popescu: hilatarious

01:18:46 nubbins`: either way

01:18:58 nubbins`: you give some schmo lsd and he's just as likely to achieve complete awareness

01:19:11 mircea_popescu: complete my foot.

01:19:14 mircea_popescu: that's psychosis.

01:19:19 nubbins`: haha

01:19:32 BingoBoingo: But atropine 'could' be delerium

01:19:49 mircea_popescu: "you can't logically prove my complete awareness is incomplete and kinda unaware!1111"

01:20:11 mircea_popescu: guy walks into a pole

01:20:12 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You sound like a MAXCOiner

01:20:34 BingoBoingo: lol, I've walked into a pole. poles have decent tits

01:20:38 nubbins`: HEH

01:20:41 mircea_popescu: hahaha

01:20:45 nubbins`: see?

01:20:47 nubbins`: complete awareness

01:20:52 nubbins`: dude knew what he was doing all along

01:21:19 nubbins`: anyway, there are plenty of virgins that have convinced themselves that sex is just a sticky wet mess

01:21:24 nubbins`: what of it?

01:21:28 mircea_popescu: there are ?!

01:21:33 mircea_popescu: dude the more i hear of canada...

01:21:41 nubbins`: the more you wanna move here

01:21:42 nubbins`: i know

01:21:48 herbijudlestoids: haha holy shit

01:21:52 herbijudlestoids: slashdot has changed interfaces

01:21:55 mircea_popescu: um no. i don't like virginz.

01:22:05 herbijudlestoids: the comments sections have ceased to be about the story and only talking about the interface

01:22:10 nubbins`: i don't like people who haven't taken lsd ;p

01:22:16 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: The trick is figuring out how many minutes ago I opened the bottle.

01:22:20 nubbins`: i kid

01:22:44 BingoBoingo: So around 7 UTC we get Altcoin on Slashdot?

01:22:45 nubbins`: BingoBoingo: me figuring it out or you figuring it out?

01:22:46 Vexual: if one goes to heaven with 40 virgins, do they stay that way?

01:22:55 nubbins`: Vexual, the hymens regrow

01:23:03 mircea_popescu: Vexual yeah. it's gonna be painful for them 4evar

01:23:04 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: I know the answer is 143

01:23:10 mircea_popescu: that way muslim men don't ever need to fuck ass.

01:23:41 nubbins`: anyway, for those of you who are aware of the "stoned ape" theory of evolution of consciousness

01:23:43 nubbins`: check this gem out:

01:23:44 nubbins`: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vW4K0LqTC5w

01:23:45 ozbot: Stoned Ape Theory - YouTube

01:24:06 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: But the scents differ. Ass flora and Vaginal flora are completley different flora. Basically E Coli versus Yoplait.

01:24:25 mircea_popescu: i use condoms anyway

01:24:26 herbijudlestoids: "It is quoted by Ibn Kathir, in his Qur'anic Commentary, the Tafsir ibn Kathir,[8] and they are graphically described by Qur'anic commentator and polymath, al-Suyuti (died 1505), who, echoing a hasan hadith[9] from Ibn Majah,[10] wrote that the perpetual virgins will all "have appetizing vaginas", and that the "penis of the Elected never softens. The erection is eternal".[11] "

01:24:41 herbijudlestoids: ...appetizing.

01:24:48 mircea_popescu: it's a mistranslation.

01:25:16 herbijudlestoids: yea i know lol, iranian, remember?

01:25:19 mircea_popescu: "desirable"

01:25:46 nubbins`: condoms, what's that, a euro thing?

01:26:01 mircea_popescu: lol "it's not a purse, it's european"

01:26:17 nubbins`: eternal erections would become gangrenous

01:26:27 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: You might be canadian, so it doesn't seem relevant, but they are essential anywhere aids is possible;.

01:26:43 nubbins`: again, i kid ;(

01:26:51 nubbins`: we have aids here in canada too

01:27:02 nubbins`: hah

01:27:06 nubbins`: in this province, yes

01:27:07 asciilifeform: nubbins`: only kaffirs get afterlife with gangrene.

01:27:26 BingoBoingo: Or is it Candidia lacks a certain .txt

01:27:35 nubbins`: ooh good crossover joke

01:27:52 nubbins`: actually, a local actor is starring in the film remake of that .txt, alongside cuba gooding jr

01:28:13 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo not necessarily. it could be magically arranged the blood still flows

01:28:19 nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/2-oscar-winners-join-tv-adaptation-of-the-book-of-negroes-1.2523057

01:28:20 ozbot: 2 Oscar winners join TV adaptation of The Book of Negroes - Toronto - CBC News

01:28:24 mircea_popescu: maybe the chosen penis just enters a hydraulic annomaly

01:28:38 nubbins`: hm

01:28:42 nubbins`: some sort of bloodlock system

01:28:51 mircea_popescu: no, no lock.

01:28:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5525 @ 0.00093457 = 5.1635 BTC [+] {2}

01:28:52 BingoBoingo: Good point mircea_popescu. Still. No one is making decent cheddar in there.

01:29:00 mircea_popescu: just, pv=nt here and p'v=nt there

01:29:03 nubbins`: well i just mean like an airlock

01:29:05 mircea_popescu: allah sez.

01:29:17 nubbins`: new blood in, mild overinflation, old blood out

01:29:33 herbijudlestoids: www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/02/koch-brothers-palm-springs-donor-list

01:29:45 nubbins`: you could time the inflow to the outward thrust, to simulate knotting

01:30:17 nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/anorexia-patient-told-by-er-nurse-to-go-get-some-supper-1.2523913

01:30:18 ozbot: Anorexia patient told by ER nurse to 'go get some supper' - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News

01:30:20 Mats_cd03: i am now the proud owner of some S.MPOE

01:30:26 nubbins`: ah, this place is something else

01:30:28 Mats_cd03: what do i have to look forward to

01:30:38 nubbins`: Mats_cd03, uncertainty and elation

01:31:28 mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 prolly some dividends at some point

01:31:40 Mats_cd03: hopefully ill be able to reinvest my profits into a nice deep fryer

01:31:52 nubbins`: haha

01:31:58 nubbins`: deep fryers, jeez

01:32:08 nubbins`: why not just throw out all your pants and start wearing pyjamas?

01:32:09 Mats_cd03: i hear they make one that uses a centrifuge inside at 3x G to induce a delicious crisp outside chicken

01:32:25 Mats_cd03: i hear its... extraterrestrially delicious

01:32:39 Vexual: swirling a wok can do that

01:32:39 nubbins`: all for the low cost of having your house smell like a grease trap

01:32:41 nubbins`: ^

01:32:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4542 @ 0.00093387 = 4.2416 BTC [-]

01:32:57 BingoBoingo: Anyone here part of the Silicon Valley circuit?

01:33:39 Mats_cd03: what is that

01:33:53 BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: Until they prove otherwise lusers

01:34:28 herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: im not directly but do know a fair few who are

01:34:31 herbijudlestoids: re openstack

01:34:33 nubbins`: mircea_popescu, pankkake, jborkl: http://imgur.com/jzPwaJM

01:34:41 nubbins`: i don't think amazon is gonna carry this book

01:34:53 pankkake: omg

01:35:03 pankkake: who am I?

01:35:06 BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: But I did disclose some alma maters here earlier today. If people who want into Bitcoin want to know how to navigate a WoT I make myself available... for a price.

01:35:08 mircea_popescu: hahaha

01:35:14 nubbins`: i don't know what you look like so i had to draw something based on your nick

01:35:22 nubbins`: you're all flat, like a pankkake :(

01:35:22 mircea_popescu: dick ?

01:35:39 Mats_cd03: BingoBoingo: i dont want to read logs so why dont you tell me

01:35:48 mircea_popescu: why does kako have a moustachio like groucho marx ?

01:35:48 BingoBoingo: Lol nubbins` That goes in the -assets book right?

01:35:54 nubbins`: yeah, first page

01:36:01 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Because somolia

01:36:02 nubbins`: just a rough draft of course ;p

01:36:09 nubbins`: mircea_popescu, that's actually jborkl

01:36:21 mircea_popescu: bongebaungu i see you have an issue with vowel rotation

01:36:35 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Know Paul Graham?

01:36:44 nubbins`: i tried to draw someone who looked bork-y

01:36:53 mircea_popescu: what in "jason borkland" gives you the turkish look ?

01:37:12 nubbins`: honestly i use paint markers and accidentally depressed the tip

01:37:26 pankkake: anyway, awesome

01:37:27 nubbins`: then had to fix it as best i could ;(

01:37:38 mircea_popescu: i kinda like how my head rests securely on my beard pedestal

01:37:52 nubbins`: for easy storage, natch

01:38:02 mircea_popescu: nubbins` you realise this is the book of the book being written right now

01:38:14 nubbins`: hmm, that's a bit too seinfeld for me

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01:38:19 BingoBoingo: !b 5

01:38:21 nubbins`: strike this from the logs!

01:38:24 pankkake: though today I was more like jborkl, wore a snow hat and hat weird stuff coming in and out of my nose

01:38:45 mircea_popescu: pankkake did you get your face surgically removed yet ?

01:38:51 herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: nope

01:38:53 nubbins`: i draw a couple more but the pens started acting up

01:38:58 nubbins`: *drew

01:39:02 nubbins`: full of ink blobs

01:39:10 pankkake: I had turbinoplasty

01:39:15 pankkake: my nose is TURBINES

01:39:22 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Ah, I could hope. I've been trying to target him through blog posts

01:39:28 mircea_popescu: lmao

01:39:34 mircea_popescu: now you can ipo your head

01:39:41 mircea_popescu: for a mining farm based on wind turbines

01:39:54 herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: is he a fin services guy? i can see someone paul graham fin services on linkedin

01:39:58 nubbins`: stateful wind

01:40:13 Vexual: upper level

01:40:16 nubbins`: ^ we already have this, altho it's pretty much read-only

01:40:17 mircea_popescu: nubbins` that comes out the other way.

01:40:21 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: He used to be an academic LISPer

01:40:33 nubbins`: heh

01:40:34 pankkake: I'm not finished yet, but it's becoming an expensive head :(

01:40:47 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: The past tense might be important though

01:41:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10750 @ 0.00093535 = 10.055 BTC [+]

01:41:16 pankkake: the bearded MP reminds me of something, but I can't really find it

01:41:18 nubbins`: BingoBoingo, i imagine you as some sort of cross between a kangaroo and an old lady with a visor

01:41:20 benkay: BingoBoingo: he used to be a commercial Lisper as well.

01:41:23 pankkake: maybe cthulhu

01:41:28 nubbins`: pankkake: does it remind you of mp? ;p

01:41:42 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: What I am looking for is someone silicon valley who needs a Bitcoin Bullshit filter.

01:42:15 benkay: BingoBoingo: unfortunately those who need what you have to offer are too stupid to realize they need it.

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01:42:30 mircea_popescu: !b 1

01:42:54 BingoBoingo: benkay: I know that, but it is only to the potential audience's peril

01:43:05 nubbins`: benkay: this is actually a problem with free condoms too

01:43:07 pankkake: I shaved yesterday, should have IPOed my glorious beard

01:43:29 BingoBoingo: pankkake: Shame to you and your family

01:43:38 mircea_popescu: im thinking of shaving too

01:43:50 nubbins`: it's liberating

01:43:52 pankkake: usually it itches, but after a month and a half it was still good

01:44:09 BingoBoingo: pankkake: How slow does french hair grow?

01:44:11 benkay: you guys can't shave my sideburns are just starting to come into bloom! i was shooting for an assets beard conference.

01:44:17 nubbins`: i find if you can get past the 3-week mark, the beard grows itself

01:44:21 mircea_popescu: benkay you coming in april ?

01:44:34 benkay: nah man

01:44:35 benkay: not unless revenue picks up significantly

01:44:38 benkay: wish i were

01:44:42 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2013/the-conference-second-edition/ << reminder

01:44:43 ozbot: The conference, second edition pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

01:44:49 pankkake: BingoBoingo: I am a hairy monster, but for example my brother can't grow a beard as fast as me, if at all

01:44:50 nubbins`: i'm waiting for someone to sponsor me as a courtroom sketch-artist type deal

01:45:15 nubbins`: incidentally the last two zines we published were essentially this

01:45:16 benkay: was totally planning to, but then i dropped the well-paid infotech work to do the same thing with good friends for clients paying a third

01:45:18 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: thinking of going?

01:45:29 nubbins`: benkay, i used to work for a company called infotech

01:45:29 mircea_popescu: benkay splendid stragety.

01:45:43 nubbins`: "why don't we just call our company IT?" "nah, too short"

01:45:51 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Sheriff couple of counties over still has my passport until at least May

01:45:56 mircea_popescu: let's call our shop SHOP

01:46:01 mircea_popescu: and our dog DOG

01:46:04 mircea_popescu: and our child CHILD

01:46:11 nubbins`: right?

01:46:13 Vexual: lol BingoBongo, I'm having similar issues

01:46:21 pankkake: that's what korean starcraft players do, though

01:46:22 nubbins`: i owned a nameless cockatiel for over 10 years

01:46:27 herbijudlestoids: yall criminals.

01:46:39 pankkake: names like "life", "cloud", "hero"

01:46:43 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo what srsys, you can't apply for a whatsitcalled

01:46:49 Vexual: boat?

01:46:54 mircea_popescu: lol

01:46:57 nubbins`: pankkake, i generally found that koreans had crazy email addresses

01:47:06 nubbins`: like fvjefgrnfd@whatever.co.kr

01:47:07 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I got principles and I ain't plea'in

01:47:09 pankkake: lol

01:47:15 mircea_popescu: bysendingemailhereideclareiamawhore@yahoo.com ?

01:47:21 nubbins`: one day i realized that they were just typing their names in korean on the keyboard

01:47:26 nubbins`: hahahah

01:47:35 mircea_popescu: good for spam honeypottin'

01:48:01 mircea_popescu: ipromisetopaytenbuckstotherecipient@gmail.com

01:48:24 BingoBoingo: I paid may to many BTC for this drive through motherfucking lawyer's time back in may and I plan to waste as much of his time as I can.

01:48:24 mircea_popescu: (nothice equal strlen)

01:48:35 nubbins`: hmm

01:48:38 asciilifeform: ionlyacceptmailasblockchaindustbytes@nowhereinparticular.com

01:48:38 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo ahahaha how much was it

01:49:03 mircea_popescu: myotheremailisbroken@tormail.net

01:49:07 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: $300 or back in May 2.5 BTC that week

01:49:21 nubbins`: thisistheonlyonetheydidntseize@tormail.org

01:49:24 mircea_popescu: fuck, you hired a lawyer for 300 bux ?!

01:49:34 nubbins`: what'd that get you, a handshake?

01:49:36 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yeah, dude has a drive thru

01:49:45 nubbins`: oh wow

01:49:50 nubbins`: i thought that was a figure of speech

01:49:54 BingoBoingo: Fucker is happy to act as my paralegal too.

01:50:02 nubbins`: hi can i take your problem please

01:50:06 benkay: mircea_popescu: can't tell if sarcasm or irony

01:50:06 mircea_popescu: you know, rural us...

01:50:18 BingoBoingo: Well, yeah

01:50:22 benkay: and if ironic what precisely the message is

01:50:23 nubbins`: benkay, surprise

01:50:23 mircea_popescu: benkay :D

01:50:35 BingoBoingo: If sit ain't cheap enough head into the wastes

01:50:55 asciilifeform: somebody 'in demand' should actually declare, 'wanna talk? low octets of tx amount to addr. A plz.'

01:50:58 mircea_popescu: that's okay, i can't tell which message he;s on about. we have thus achieved

01:51:04 mircea_popescu: perfect communicational symmetrification.

01:51:23 benkay: <mircea_popescu> benkay splendid stragety.

01:51:29 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sort-of like how fraudsters credits work

01:51:30 nubbins`: hmmmmmm

01:51:37 nubbins`: re: "socialist millionaire" problem

01:51:50 Mats_cd03: hes 99% incoherent usually

01:51:52 pankkake: "Just like on the 1st edition VIPs get free shuttle service to and from the airport, free (4 star) hotel accomodation including breakfast (either singles or doubles at your option, no extra charge), free meals and drinks everywhere" oh. I see the point now :D

01:51:53 nubbins`: one nice thing about having a degree in pure mathematics is that you can grok wikipedia articles on math

01:52:15 BingoBoingo: I'd honestly be surprised if this matter is adjudicated in time for next year's conference.

01:52:29 mircea_popescu: benkay just sarcastic

01:52:37 asciilifeform: nubbins`: one can grok the millionaires protocol with a first grade degree.

01:52:48 nubbins`: oh, sure, yeah

01:52:49 asciilifeform: (at least, soviet 1st grade.)

01:53:17 nubbins`: i just mean sentences like "All operations are performed modulo p, or in other words, in the multiplicative group (Z/pZ)*."

01:53:23 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i hear a lot of work is being put into keeping us citizens from being able to travel abroad

01:53:32 mircea_popescu: for all sorts of not-directly-related reasons

01:53:38 nubbins`: and they said group theory wouldn't prove useful in real life.

01:53:56 pankkake: a lot of work = butt probes and cancer-giving machines?

01:53:56 benkay: can't say as i agree, mp. before i was limited pretty solidly on increasing revenue. nowadays, i'm only limited on revenue by my ability to find work and people to do it.

01:54:13 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: so far, just a bit of dekulakization.

01:54:13 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: If it comes down to life and death I can walk to Nuevo Laredo and get all of the hookers. Nao though... Imma wilk my 2.5 BTC out of Mr. Drive Thru.

01:54:19 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: best korea does that, too

01:54:22 mircea_popescu: benkay the sarcasm refers to what was stated not to teh reality therein described.

01:54:47 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i was in nuevo laredo, had excellent pasta there

01:54:50 nubbins`: jborkl

01:54:55 nubbins`: http://imgur.com/jzPwaJM

01:54:56 ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

01:54:58 nubbins`: that's you on the bottom

01:55:43 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I can't affirm or deny having spent any time there this summer, but pasta there "seems" to be above that availble in my native area

01:55:52 nubbins`: fun fact, the dollar store sells fake Moleskine notebooks for $1

01:56:00 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there was some prattle about making folks owing $6+figs of tax 'невыездной'

01:56:07 asciilifeform: afaik never went anywhere.

01:56:11 Vexual: nubs not really paper?

01:56:25 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, it's implemented

01:56:30 nubbins`: Vexual, just a brand name. no moles were harmed

01:56:31 mircea_popescu: yu can't get a passport if you owe back tax.

01:56:47 Vexual: inferior stitching?

01:56:54 nubbins`: shrug. has held up so far

01:57:01 nubbins`: they even have the elastic band and the bookmark

01:57:08 Vexual: might be real

01:57:14 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: recall the magic number?

01:57:15 nubbins`: nah, real ones are like $18

01:57:17 mircea_popescu: fun fact. apud gt, nevyyezdnoy=travel abroad, vyyezdnoy=exit

01:57:23 Vexual: and the french is proper

01:57:33 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no magic number. irs just puts a hold.

01:57:40 mircea_popescu: $100 is good enough.

01:57:43 nubbins`: it's actually pretty hard to bind a book with thread so poorly that it falls apart

01:57:51 nubbins`: i mean, if you can tie a knot

01:58:02 nubbins`: even if you can't

01:58:04 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: вьезд / выезд sure

01:58:35 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: entry/exit

01:58:50 nubbins`: i actually let my passport expire

01:58:59 nubbins`: have to get a new picture taken this week

01:59:11 asciilifeform: nevyyezdnoy (невыездной) - 'he who is not to leave'

01:59:13 nubbins`: gotta say, it rots my guts when they don't stamp the pages in order

01:59:21 Vexual: lol

01:59:21 jborkl: Nice drawing, is that original?

01:59:24 mircea_popescu: why ?!

01:59:38 nubbins`: jborkl: yeah, part of the upcoming first issue of -assets Quarterly

01:59:47 nubbins`: mircea_popescu, just the way i am, i guess

01:59:51 jborkl: Nice

02:00:02 nubbins`: would you buy a notebook and start writing on page 7?

02:00:06 Vexual: yes

02:00:08 mircea_popescu: yes

02:00:14 nubbins`: eat shit, both of you

02:00:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 15 @ 0.04201332 = 0.6302 BTC [+] {4}

02:00:24 mircea_popescu: "would you pick up a chick and start by fucking her in the ass ?"

02:00:28 Vexual: i hope you get your visa stamped on the cover

02:00:33 mircea_popescu: hahaha

02:00:34 nubbins`: NOT ON PAGE 7 I WOULDN'T

02:01:05 mircea_popescu: if i ever visit nubbins` household i'm writing into all the new noteboox at random locations

02:01:07 nubbins`: i bet you eat all the chocolate in your advent calendars on the first day too, don't ya

02:01:31 jborkl: Heh, I am left handed so I sometimes start at the back. Drives the wife nuts

02:01:35 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: there came a point where we had enough scrap paper that we were able to stop buying notebooks and start making them

02:01:56 mircea_popescu: nubbins` dude, i will DRINK FROM THE MIDDLE OF YOUR BOTTLES

02:01:57 nubbins`: jborkl: funny, i actually start reading magazines from the back

02:02:00 nubbins`: hahah

02:02:13 nubbins`: so... with a straw? :(

02:02:14 herbijudlestoids: http://it.slashdot.org/story/14/02/05/1421229/adobe-flash-remote-code-execution-flaw-exploited-in-the-wild?utm_source=slashdot&utm_medium=twitter

02:02:15 ozbot: Adobe Flash Remote Code Execution Flaw Exploited In the Wild - Slashdot

02:02:24 mircea_popescu: you'll have some liquid, then a pause, then more liquid

02:02:33 herbijudlestoids: update yo flash nigz

02:02:35 nubbins`: i hate that!!

02:02:41 mircea_popescu: someone had flash ?!

02:02:47 nubbins`: what's a flash

02:03:13 jborkl: Wait, where are sticking that straw? Is this still about picking up the chick?

02:03:30 nubbins`: i think they start in the middle

02:03:38 mircea_popescu: they always start in the middle.

02:03:38 nubbins`: not sure

02:03:42 mircea_popescu: shit

02:03:47 mircea_popescu: "they start in middle school yeah"

02:04:09 nubbins`: what's a school

02:04:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]

02:04:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.119 = 0.238 BTC [+]

02:04:30 herbijudlestoids: yall dont have flash?

02:04:35 herbijudlestoids: how do youwatch youtube

02:04:47 Vexual: mp posts a lot of public nudes

02:05:10 mircea_popescu: mircea_popescu:

02:05:10 mircea_popescu: ain't nobody got no time for that.

02:05:42 asciilifeform: http://www.securelist.com/en/blog/8177/CVE_2014_0497_a_0_day_vulnerability

02:05:54 mircea_popescu: http://24.media.tumblr.com/789ee03d33aa445a6c3c647dcb3119a4/tumblr_mes5vkpQhj1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg << this is vex when he was younger.

02:06:36 mircea_popescu: windows only exploits. herp

02:07:38 asciilifeform: the overflow works elsewhere, these folks only looked at the winblows example.

02:07:47 herbijudlestoids: if it exploits only windows why did adobe release emergency patch for all OS, even including the unsupported linux version

02:08:19 nubbins`: heh

02:08:22 herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: do you have some tumblr blog of photos of (what i assume are) eastern europeans who are weirdly out of place naked?

02:08:53 mircea_popescu: i just have friends.

02:09:19 mircea_popescu: and yes its mostly the czech republic

02:10:21 jborkl: Heh mp has pictures of slush naked

02:10:40 herbijudlestoids: i dun get it...your friends like to be naked at regular social events?

02:11:01 mircea_popescu: http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_meikkuNmB41ru15g3o1_1280.jpg jborkl there you go.

02:11:06 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: What is so hard to believe?

02:11:13 BingoBoingo: http://gawker.com/four-arrested-in-connection-with-philip-seymour-hoffman-1516487250

02:11:14 ozbot: Four Arrested in Connection With Philip Seymour Hoffman's Death

02:11:19 mircea_popescu: whoa

02:11:22 KRS-One: Looks like a fat dyke convention.

02:11:22 mircea_popescu: foul play ?!

02:11:30 mircea_popescu: KRS-One he wanted slush

02:11:30 KRS-One: Probably smells kind of like fish there.

02:11:37 KRS-One: .bait

02:11:39 ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1illeX1ba1qkm9pho1_1280.jpg

02:11:41 pankkake: only one nipple pierced, that always drives me crazy

02:11:54 KRS-One: hahaa

02:11:56 herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: its not that i disbelieve, just not sure i understand

02:11:58 jborkl: Lol, Santa is creeping me out

02:12:00 pankkake: how dare you not be symmetrical

02:12:14 nubbins`: pankkake: many women do this out of concern for future breastfeeding

02:12:16 KRS-One: pankkake theres a word for that..doesnt mean its bad one way or the other

02:12:39 pankkake: nubbins`: oh…

02:12:41 BingoBoingo: Tis the problem with the TSR model. DEA gets all of the meta-NSA tools and the imagination to do parallel reconstruction

02:12:47 KRS-One: haha drinking pabst blue ribbon beer

02:13:04 nubbins`: idea is that the fistula formed when the piercing heals can clog milk ducts

02:13:04 mircea_popescu: piercings don't hurt lactation wtf is that ?!

02:13:13 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Would you yourself rather wear clothes or not wear clothes?

02:13:13 nubbins`: this has been documented

02:13:22 mircea_popescu: really ?

02:13:24 nubbins`: yeah

02:13:42 nubbins`: granted, there are a lot of milk ducts, maybe a dozen or so if i'm not mistaken

02:13:54 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu nubbins`:ONly if tard operate the needles.

02:13:58 Vexual: there might be other forces at play here

02:13:59 nubbins`: but apparently it causes problems frequently enough that it's advised against doing both

02:14:01 jborkl: Wtf , this is going downhill

02:14:16 nubbins`: plus, babby's teeth

02:14:18 BingoBoingo: jborkl: Altcoin is going down?

02:14:19 nubbins`: or gums, i guess

02:14:28 nubbins`: don't want him swallowing a barbell

02:14:35 mircea_popescu: nubbins` obviously you take them off

02:14:57 Vexual: did they sompare other life choices of the pierced?

02:14:59 mircea_popescu: kind-of why i think it improbable, the breast changes a lot during pregnancy

02:15:07 nubbins`: obviously you don't feed your kid poutine for its first meal

02:15:10 nubbins`: but people do anyway

02:15:15 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: WHy not?

02:15:24 BingoBoingo: It's like babyy poridge?

02:15:27 nubbins`: because it's too healthy

02:15:31 mircea_popescu: lmao

02:15:34 BingoBoingo: Lol

02:16:09 mircea_popescu: pankkake you know, no irl tits are actually symmetrical.

02:16:32 pankkake: nor are faces, but it's not as bothering

02:16:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10758 @ 0.00093465 = 10.055 BTC [-] {2}

02:17:15 BingoBoingo: pankkake: Faces could be bothering on the Sarah Jessica Parker ass end of asymmetrical

02:17:18 nubbins`: most people's shoulders aren't even symmetrical

02:17:26 nubbins`: dominant side is generally higher

02:17:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18018 @ 0.00092985 = 16.754 BTC [-]

02:17:46 mircea_popescu: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_megcvjf8JE1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg

02:17:48 nubbins`: and blade sticks out differently

02:18:04 nubbins`: hahaha skipper on the right

02:18:09 mircea_popescu: totally awesome pic

02:18:26 mircea_popescu: you can even tell where in france it is

02:18:34 pankkake: OMG. http://i.imgur.com/u9oR6xD.png

02:18:35 herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: depends on the weather :D

02:18:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 329 @ 0.003048 = 1.0028 BTC [+]

02:18:50 nubbins`: pankkake, HEH

02:18:52 pankkake: google images is getting good

02:19:05 mircea_popescu: you never knew ms horseface ?

02:19:08 nubbins`: i like it when customized content *just* falls short

02:19:26 Vexual: i think they might wait for the next bus

02:19:27 pankkake: isn't ms horseface julia roberts?

02:19:37 pankkake: but yeah she's a horse too

02:19:53 nubbins`: got an ad on my facebook feed once for long-distance plans, some rasta saying "call ya bredren dem for free"

02:19:59 nubbins`: "warmer, facebook... warmer..."

02:20:13 benkay: they even got the grammar correct my my

02:20:44 nubbins`: maybe the most relevant thing i've ever read on the site

02:24:39 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: You use facebook?

02:24:52 benkay: BingoBoingo: have you heard of Tinder?

02:25:10 benkay: the kids need computers to just have sex these days

02:25:10 nubbins`: yeah, it's like that bar all your friends used to hang out at, but now your extended family is there too

02:25:14 BingoBoingo: benkay: yes I have.

02:25:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13172 @ 0.00093446 = 12.3087 BTC [+]

02:26:31 mircea_popescu: what's tinder ?

02:26:32 benkay: so i actually moved back into the neighborhood in which i grew up.

02:26:46 nubbins`: benkay, :(

02:26:48 BingoBoingo: benkay: It's like I go to the bar with all of these friends with smartphones. They fuck around on tinder and I just follow the golden rule of Tits bigger than ass. THen they get jelly.

02:27:04 benkay: no its great nubbins

02:27:08 nubbins`: then :D

02:27:11 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Tinder is like Grindr but not for homos.

02:27:17 mircea_popescu: uh

02:27:20 nubbins`: the neighbourhood i grew up is all old people now

02:27:35 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo ass bigger than tits.

02:28:03 benkay: i like being a part of a family story in a physical location that's endured for a little bit.

02:28:11 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Whiskey vision.

02:28:38 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Drunk enough to know I can't be on IRC vision.

02:29:25 BingoBoingo: Perspective gets a bit... distorted

02:29:47 nubbins`: Chief Executive Officer of Tinder, Sean Rad, said, "the word ‘dating’ doesn't even mean shit to us. What does that even mean?”[

02:29:48 nubbins`: lel

02:29:53 nubbins`: mister rad

02:29:55 mircea_popescu: me on irc a coupla days ago : "hey, what were your tits/ass measures ?" "40 and 38. why ?" "because mansfield was 40 35"

02:29:58 BingoBoingo: So a person barely aware of self awareness must... compensate

02:30:01 mircea_popescu: so i guess you're right, tits bigger than ass it is.

02:30:06 Vexual: BingoBoingo: shut one eye

02:30:19 BingoBoingo: Vexual: Mack me

02:30:23 mircea_popescu: nubbins` he has a point tho. i never dated.

02:30:31 nubbins`: nor i

02:30:43 nubbins`: this isn't the 50s

02:30:48 nubbins`: "wanna go steady"

02:30:56 BingoBoingo: I dated, it was horrible. Fucking was much better.

02:31:02 mircea_popescu: in romanian you'd "ask for a girl's friendship" in the 50s

02:31:12 mircea_popescu: basically... asking for a friendzone ?

02:32:00 lippoper: S

02:32:03 lippoper: A

02:32:04 lippoper: S

02:32:05 lippoper: S

02:32:05 BingoBoingo: Vexual: Why aren't you pumpin Altcoin yet?

02:32:12 lippoper: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m18psqC2Xg1qgs3vvo1_500.jpg

02:32:27 mircea_popescu: he got hired by Max Failser, that's why

02:32:36 mircea_popescu: he be pumpin' that maxcoin nao

02:32:36 nubbins`: "At Least 50 Couples Have Gotten Engaged Thanks To Red-Hot Hook-Up App Tinder"

02:32:40 Vexual: i don't take keister coin

02:32:52 benkay: but you do take coin in the kiester!

02:32:57 mircea_popescu: ajaja

02:33:09 BingoBoingo: What is even the mining stroke for KeiserCoin?

02:33:17 benkay: up...

02:33:19 benkay: and down.

02:33:21 benkay: up...

02:33:22 benkay: and down.

02:33:23 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo 30 second blocks

02:33:25 mircea_popescu: that shoud be a riot.

02:33:28 nubbins`: no, up only

02:33:31 nubbins`: endless pull-out

02:33:52 nubbins`: Max Forkser

02:33:52 mod6: pump.... and dump!

02:34:06 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: So GHCQ should squash it in good order with their SYN shit.

02:34:10 mircea_popescu: incidentally, the 512 second block altchains die out in about 10 days,

02:34:22 mircea_popescu: when people are done mining the juciest blocks and move on

02:34:34 mircea_popescu: a 30 second block chain should be exhausted in about... a day.

02:34:46 BingoBoingo: I really need to make that MD4 coin...

02:34:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45763 @ 0.00093637 = 42.8511 BTC [+] {3}

02:35:01 Vexual: you might wanna close both eyes

02:35:49 BingoBoingo: Max difficulty within the first hour. It would actually be a useful experiment in how BTC would handle a catastrophic break of SHA-256

02:35:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7887 @ 0.00093802 = 7.3982 BTC [+] {3}

02:36:36 Vexual: good point

02:37:03 BingoBoingo: Thank you Vexual

02:37:12 benkay: except we've seen coins get diff-pinned before.

02:37:15 mircea_popescu: ironically, i think btc would be thje safest

02:37:29 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Prolly

02:37:40 mircea_popescu: cause watched pot and not *really* that much benefit

02:37:53 mircea_popescu: various other things, such as banking, however...

02:37:54 mircea_popescu: owch.

02:38:14 mircea_popescu: i wouldn't wanna be a tech lead for any bank when sha cracks.

02:38:26 mircea_popescu: tbh i imagine the security people wake up screaming once a month cause of this]

02:38:47 benkay: we're all security people now.

02:38:50 BingoBoingo: Do banks even use SHA-1 yet? Is that "approved" for them?

02:39:09 mircea_popescu: benkay no i mean specifically, it sec consultants for banks with major customer facing interfaces

02:39:49 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo sure.

02:40:29 BingoBoingo: I ask because more consumers were injured in the target hack than will probably ever hold BTC

02:41:00 mircea_popescu: http://it.slashdot.org/story/13/11/13/0154244/microsoft-warns-customers-away-from-rc4-and-sha-1

02:41:02 ozbot: Microsoft Warns Customers Away From RC4 and SHA-1 - Slashdot

02:41:04 mircea_popescu: just for lolz

02:41:29 Vexual: gates is audi for real now

02:42:12 BingoBoingo: I need to come up with something Slashdot worthy. Unless someone else wants to start pumping my Altcoin artile at 07:00 UTC

02:42:44 benkay: your 15 minutes of fame have passed, BingoBoingo.

02:43:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.19376446 = 1.9376 BTC [+]

02:43:18 Plaxant: BingoBoingo I'm surprised r/baseball didn't like the link I posted

02:43:39 BingoBoingo: benkay: You dedicated Lispers assume one Macro is enough.

02:44:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.119 BTC [+]

02:44:08 BingoBoingo: Plaxant: I will hurt them again. Oncce pitchers and catchers report.

02:45:55 benkay: i'm nowhere near enough of a lisper to catch your ref, B

02:46:00 benkay: BingoBoingo ^^

02:46:09 BingoBoingo: Shame there is no World Baseball Classic this year. Netherlands and Puerto Rico made me a lot of worth much less BTC last year.

02:47:00 benkay: BingoBoingo: do you use a dedicated bitbet address?

02:47:19 BingoBoingo: benkay: The code of one input one output.

02:47:36 BingoBoingo: benkay: Actually I force myself to use several Bitbet addresses

02:48:05 BingoBoingo: I only advertise the 1lvcunts as belonging to myself but superficial shit can reveal three moar.

02:49:24 benkay: well on an entirely different topic

02:49:36 BingoBoingo: Deeper analysis can reveal 8 addresses used that go back to me. Deeper still analysis and you need drugs

02:50:35 Plaxant: BingoBoingo drugs should always be needed

02:50:36 Vexual: i hope nubbins' puts a few illustrated blockchain pages in his book, or a whole encyclopedia

02:51:05 BingoBoingo: Plaxant: Drugs lik everything else should need consent.

02:51:17 pankkake: I like to have the same address, but I bet more for fun and pride

02:51:50 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo what do you care about ./ anyway

02:52:48 herbijudlestoids: hahahaha

02:52:49 herbijudlestoids: http://www.hhspn.com/dmx-george-zimmerman-celebrity-boxing-match-confirmed-rapper-dmx-vs-george-zimmerman/

02:53:08 herbijudlestoids: anyone seen that southpark episode about zimmeman

02:53:12 mircea_popescu: "My @YouTube career was born in my bedroom. @Google was born in @SusanWojcicki's garage. Big dreams have humble beginnings "

02:53:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 35 @ 0.00477642 = 0.1672 BTC [+] {3}

02:53:17 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It's kind of a rush.I missed most of the actual action when I made it the first time driving into the Icy north.

02:53:18 mircea_popescu: jesus twitter is insanity.

02:53:18 benkay: herbijudlestoids if you ever link an autoplaying video again i will straight murder your face

02:53:50 herbijudlestoids: benkay: apologies. i have all my plugins to only load on click

02:53:53 benkay: jesus twitter

02:53:55 Vexual: hey herbi, schapeele might be getting out on the weekend, dya think abbot can fuck up her chances by then?

02:54:12 herbijudlestoids: Vexual: going on abbotts current track record?

02:54:18 Vexual: even money huh?

02:54:19 herbijudlestoids: plus the potential embarrasment for customs?

02:54:22 herbijudlestoids: id say so :P

02:54:42 herbijudlestoids: or i should say, it wouldnt surprise me

02:55:04 Vexual: war might wait til monday

02:56:01 herbijudlestoids: benkay: do you really let flash and whatnot just load in browser with no control?

02:56:14 BingoBoingo: ^^

02:56:43 herbijudlestoids: i got noscript, adblock, ad blocking /etc/hosts with ~15,000 hosts blocked...and i still dont let flash or java load unless i click it

02:57:09 benkay: congratulations, you obviously don't operate in derpy web application zone land.

02:57:17 BingoBoingo: Why not jsut use lynx?

02:57:30 mod6: lynx++

02:57:49 herbijudlestoids: benkay: derpy web applications dont break if you enable "click to load" on plugins...

02:57:55 benkay: hahaha

02:57:56 benkay: oh

02:57:59 benkay: ho ho ho ho ho

02:58:13 benkay: you have obviously spent much time debugging legacy javascript

02:58:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2000 @ 0.00042042 = 0.8408 BTC [-] {14}

02:58:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 290 @ 0.00501256 = 1.4536 BTC [-] {13}

02:58:22 herbijudlestoids: also zone land is a tautology :P

02:58:38 benkay: language is poetry.

02:58:47 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: What about Mario Zone?

02:58:47 nubbins`: receipt receipt

02:58:48 benkay: not programming.

02:59:13 BingoBoingo: We should make AltLang

02:59:20 BingoBoingo: Make it super Meta

02:59:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2013 @ 0.00042 = 0.8455 BTC [-] {4}

02:59:59 herbijudlestoids: benkay: so...youre saying that legacy javascript, breaks, if you enable "click to load" on, say, flash?

03:00:12 herbijudlestoids: oookkkk

03:00:17 BingoBoingo: We will basically jsut change all of the labels on steelbank common lisp and offer it as an improvement on Javascript. Even give it a cute Doge pic

03:00:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 121 @ 0.00475971 = 0.5759 BTC [-] {12}

03:00:23 benkay: i have learned the hard way to remove sources of indeterminacy from my stack

03:00:41 benkay: mystery browser plugins are a source of indeterminacy.

03:00:53 benkay: they always want to do crazy shit to the dom.

03:00:59 herbijudlestoids: ? which mystery browser plugin

03:01:00 benkay: isolate isolate isolate

03:01:06 herbijudlestoids: yo, you realise its a native feature in chrome and firefox right

03:01:08 nubbins`: herbijudlestoids, all the ones you listed

03:01:14 BingoBoingo: Altlang is going to be best lang

03:01:25 nubbins`: altlang syne

03:01:38 herbijudlestoids: nubbins`: the extensions i listed have nothing to do with "Click to Load" which is a native feature of modern browsers...

03:01:44 BingoBoingo: All this alpha shit is my garage is gonna go to the moon!

03:01:51 benkay: so then client relations - i want to demo a thing with the UX flow a client spent an ungodly amount of money on. i'm not going to ruin my demo with my personal settings.

03:02:10 herbijudlestoids: what i said precisely was that even despite those extensions, i still use click to load

03:02:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 108 @ 0.00438978 = 0.4741 BTC [-] {11}

03:02:27 benkay: in any event

03:02:32 benkay: this is a stupid discussion.

03:02:39 herbijudlestoids: maybe...im just incredulous

03:02:48 herbijudlestoids: cant believe people let plugins load auto

03:02:51 nubbins`: you are alone in your incredulity

03:02:55 benkay: yeah man

03:03:01 benkay: people just run java web apps all the time

03:03:13 benkay: what phone book of actual use story memos did you miss?

03:03:14 BingoBoingo: Because if it isn't niggers.txt, angles.txt, or saxons.txt it itsn't worth reading?

03:03:41 nubbins`: -assetsQuarterly.txt

03:04:03 nubbins`: some of the bash quotes, though funny, aren't fun to draw

03:04:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 102 @ 0.00420489 = 0.4289 BTC [-] {8}

03:05:20 benkay: #49 is one of the better ones

03:05:29 herbijudlestoids: i gotta say, im used to hanging out with opinionated geeks, but yall have some of the weirdest forced opinions iv encountered

03:05:31 benkay: i want to see an illustration of vexual on the internet by accident

03:05:55 pankkake: don't forget to draw him upside down

03:06:45 ThickAsThieves: eccentricity gives +Agility

03:06:58 pankkake: also Australia

03:07:09 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: You just aren't acclimated yet.

03:07:28 pankkake: I agree with herbijudlestoids

03:07:49 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: You have serious potential to stay, but you need to depressurize the space suit and embrrace it.

03:08:22 herbijudlestoids: yeah, id prefer to ask questions than accept :)

03:08:30 benkay: breathe the hard vacuum of bitcoin

03:09:12 herbijudlestoids: i didnt come here to join an echo chamber, but i do try to keep an open mind and ask questions

03:09:28 benkay: bathe in the sweet sterilizing rays of non-dilutable currency

03:09:32 herbijudlestoids: i actually stayed because it seems like people are willing to answer those questions to a level that satisfies me

03:09:53 herbijudlestoids: (even if i disagree)

03:10:08 benkay: disagreement is the heart of discourse

03:10:13 herbijudlestoids: ^

03:10:13 benkay: it'd be boring if we all agreed all the time

03:10:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 20 @ 0.19376446 = 3.8753 BTC [+]

03:10:49 ThickAsThieves: I agree

03:10:58 pankkake: NO

03:11:01 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: The first rule of IRC is if it acts the way you anticipated something is wronger

03:11:13 benkay: unless freenode is under ddos

03:11:29 herbijudlestoids: what kind of dicks ddos freenode anyway, i want to know

03:11:40 BingoBoingo: benkay: But that is GHCQBBQOMGWTF

03:11:41 benkay: who cares

03:11:45 benkay: it's a fact of life

03:12:10 herbijudlestoids: well, if its JTRIG, i want to know

03:12:28 benkay: beyond my pay grade, mate

03:12:33 nubbins`: i accept it

03:12:37 ThickAsThieves: the Brits did it right?

03:12:38 nubbins`: let the s be dd if it wishes

03:14:30 mircea_popescu: <herbijudlestoids> i gotta say, im used to hanging out with opinionated geeks, but yall have some of the weirdest forced opinions iv encountered << bs. nobody here has any opinions.

03:14:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14217 @ 0.00093446 = 13.2852 BTC [-]

03:15:34 mircea_popescu: THEY BE FACTS

03:15:57 BingoBoingo: RichardSherman.txt

03:16:07 nubbins`: i actually opine fairly often

03:16:09 jayk: lol

03:16:17 nubbins`: usually right tho

03:16:19 nubbins`: so

03:16:19 BingoBoingo: Aka why the superbowl was as boring as fuck

03:16:27 jayk: he sprained his ankle

03:16:39 jayk: sherman was visible upset he wasn't able to show off

03:16:45 jayk: or run his mouf

03:16:58 jayk: got carted off the field ...

03:17:17 mircea_popescu: and now for the real reason herbijudlestoids' decided to stay : http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_meelc8j3t01ru15g3o1_1280.jpg

03:17:27 BingoBoingo: jayk: Shut yout mouth. When he was on the field he crippled Denver, they coudn't dar to try going long.

03:17:36 jayk: i live in seattle we had a parade today, 750K showed up

03:17:48 jayk: seattle police only expected about 300 maybe 350K

03:18:56 jayk: sherman didn't do much during the superbowl and got injured :P

03:19:03 the20year2: what parade?

03:19:08 jayk: for the seahawks

03:19:15 the20year2: oh nice

03:19:16 the20year2: they deserve it

03:19:17 jayk: biggest event ever in the history of seattle

03:19:21 the20year2: Good for them

03:19:22 BingoBoingo: jayk: He did everything the first 3 and 1/3 quarters.

03:19:29 benkay: bread and circuses.

03:19:44 BingoBoingo: jayk: What about Ken Griffey Jr.

03:19:45 jayk: bigger than the worlds fair

03:19:51 jayk: bigger than ken griffey

03:19:55 jayk: bigger than any baseball game

03:20:46 BingoBoingo: jayk: I dunno... How many stereos did da union take during Stl's 2011 world series parades...

03:20:58 jayk: well i meant just for seattle

03:21:05 jayk: sorry :)

03:21:33 jayk: i didn't go specifically because people are probably still trying to get home..

03:21:42 BingoBoingo: jayk: It's ok. You can have this totally unwatchable superbowl (for denver reasons)

03:22:00 jayk: a lot of people turned it off 3/4's into it

03:22:52 jayk: i was reading about ad placement and the 3/4 time spot was supposed to be the hottest

03:23:33 mircea_popescu: how did the ad numbers look ?

03:23:36 jayk: which was where the placed the longest commercial at 2 minutes

03:23:37 jayk: dunno

03:23:38 ThickAsThieves: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/02/new-lawsuit-against-bitcoin-miner-manufacturer-alleges-fraud-negligence/

03:23:39 ozbot: New lawsuit against Bitcoin miner manufacturer alleges fraud, negligence | Ars Technica

03:23:44 ThickAsThieves: (BFL)

03:24:20 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Ads got sold for a lot and were seen little

03:24:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10111 @ 0.00093383 = 9.442 BTC [-] {2}

03:24:49 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo %s vs last year ?

03:25:21 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I don't see an alternative. I went to bed after half time. The game was so poorly matched.

03:25:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 689 @ 0.00093268 = 0.6426 BTC [-]

03:25:58 jayk: that's going to get ugly

03:26:14 mircea_popescu: was just curious what teh ppl report themselves. afaik it was a complete disaster and probably the turning point for the entire sport

03:26:15 mircea_popescu: but hey.

03:26:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.10466666 = 0.314 BTC [-] {2}

03:27:17 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I appreciate that as a competitor a great game is humiliating the competition. As a spectator though. I honestly prefer what the BCS offered, an exciting game won as an accident of time.

03:28:39 jayk: i didnt know there was a BFL scam list

03:28:49 BingoBoingo: For the college championsip 10 seconds either way on the clock would have changed the win. This Winning by everything sort of game should be a forgetable regular season game.

03:28:54 jayk: wow i was getting ready to possibly pay them some monies :(

03:30:13 BingoBoingo: jayk: If you want I mining bond I can offer you BTC equivalent to 0.0125 ml of natural gas per day.

03:30:51 jayk: oh?

03:31:35 BingoBoingo: Of course, I can sell 10 of those mining bonds.

03:32:07 jayk: once this shell fish ban on china passes i can go back to selling them at $50/lb

03:32:10 jayk: have you seen those things?

03:32:23 jayk: i live on an island

03:32:30 jayk: rich in clams

03:32:36 Vexual: whats that jayk?

03:32:36 jayk: biggest clam in the world

03:32:45 jayk: geoducks are 5lb clams

03:32:50 Vexual: you grow clams?

03:32:51 BingoBoingo: Geoduck?

03:32:52 jayk: maybe 8lb if you get lucky

03:32:54 jayk: nope i dig them

03:32:58 BingoBoingo: Is that a pokeman?

03:33:00 jayk: no

03:33:11 jayk: i guess i could say i "mine" them

03:33:12 jayk: hehehe

03:33:55 Vexual: where do you sell them?

03:35:08 jayk: restaurants or dry ice over seas

03:35:12 Vexual: into china?

03:35:49 Mats_cd03: mmm clams

03:35:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14811 @ 0.00093268 = 13.8139 BTC [-]

03:35:59 jayk: http://seattletimes.com/html/businesstechnology/2022464264_shellfishbanxml.html

03:36:17 jayk: they are breeding them now, they were worthless 20 years ago

03:36:24 ozbot: Geoduck industry fighting China’s shellfish-import ban | Business & Technology | The Seattle Times

03:36:38 BingoBoingo: Fuck, when does bobsled start, or luge. Betting on hockey is boring.

03:37:25 Vexual: you just dhl em over on ice?

03:37:32 jayk: dhl moved out of usa

03:37:34 jayk: but yes

03:38:18 jayk: as a kid i could dig 200lbs in an hour

03:38:26 jayk: i didnt know any better and threw them into the garden as fertilizer

03:38:28 jayk: for tomato plants

03:46:03 Vexual: wheres an agrucultural scientician when you need em huh?

03:46:16 jayk: lol

03:47:14 mircea_popescu: jayk mmm clams.

03:47:53 Vexual: there he is

03:48:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9932 @ 0.00092985 = 9.2353 BTC [-]

03:48:49 jayk: oh

03:49:16 jayk: they are tasty in pesto sauce

03:49:22 herbijudlestoids: mmm pesto

03:49:27 Vexual: how do they eat them in china?

03:49:31 jayk: idk

03:49:48 mircea_popescu: no clam chowder ?

03:50:09 jayk: clam chowder is a lot of work to make

03:50:10 Vexual: how much copper nitrate can they cope with? :)

03:50:40 nubbins`: clam chowder isn't too bad prep-wis

03:50:41 nubbins`: e

03:50:54 nubbins`: lot of separate ingredients to buy, but it's a single-pot meal

03:51:09 jayk: 3hours?

03:51:15 jayk: potatoes take a long time

03:51:35 nubbins`: not 3 hours

03:51:42 nubbins`: 20-30 minutes spread over 3 hours

03:52:00 nubbins`: that's like saying sourdough is a lot of work because it takes 8 hours to make 2 loaves

03:52:06 jayk: heh

03:52:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.118 BTC [+]

03:52:29 jayk: nobody wants to wait for their delicious chowder ow...

03:52:50 nubbins`: i'll spend 3-4 hours cooking a meal several days per week

03:53:36 Vexual: lets get nigella in for the brochure, she will have a 20 minute version

03:53:37 nubbins`: the other day, i simmered a dozen sausages in a pot of pasta sauce for an hour and a half ;(

03:53:42 jayk: i have never made it though i have been thinking about it

03:54:22 nubbins`: the only problem is that it's a costly meal because you have to buy so many different types of seafood

03:54:33 Vexual: yes, its so china

03:54:34 jayk: i could get the clams for free

03:54:36 nubbins`: but you get a huge pot of it afterwards

03:54:45 jayk: the ground has been so cold here i bet my potatoes are still hard from last year

03:55:14 nubbins`: i cellared a few sacks of potatoes today

03:55:17 cazalla: is it even worth your time to grow potatoes?

03:55:22 jayk: yes

03:55:24 cazalla: i grow stuff i can't pick up at the fruit shop

03:55:26 nubbins`: cazalla: again, it's not much effort

03:55:32 nubbins`: it's just spread over a long period of time

03:55:33 jayk: i probably have 1000lbs in the ground or more

03:55:38 cazalla: not so much the effort but the space they take up

03:55:40 jayk: they are easy to grow

03:55:47 nubbins`: you can grow potatoes in containers, it's what i've done

03:55:55 nubbins`: tall wicker baskets, even a burlap sack

03:56:07 nubbins`: or go fancy and spend $20 on lumber to build a potato box

03:56:09 cazalla: i've read you can grow them vertically but i've also read people posting that it doesn't work

03:56:10 jayk: i tried to grow onions but my ducks trampeled over them

03:56:13 nubbins`: get 100lbs of potatoes out of it

03:56:47 Vexual: do you pick 100 or 1000 lbs by hand?

03:56:57 jayk: yes with shovel

03:57:00 cazalla: my tomatoes have been shit this year, constant heat wave has just ruined them

03:57:01 jayk: i only picked about 50lbs

03:57:02 nubbins`: the deck wouldn't support 1000, it's rickety

03:57:18 nubbins`: my tomatoes were pretty good this year

03:57:28 nubbins`: the broccoli all bolted when i was away for two weeks

03:57:29 jayk: a dear destroyed all my tomatoes

03:57:31 Vexual: my mangoes were stellar

03:57:36 jayk: next year i will use fencing

03:57:44 jayk: or guns

03:57:55 nubbins`: armed sentries

03:58:00 nubbins`: farmed sentries

03:58:04 cazalla: sentry would be sweet

03:58:13 Vexual: i sent an email to batman and no fruitbats came within a mile

03:58:14 nubbins`: oh, peas

03:58:20 nubbins`: i had so many goddamn peas this year

03:58:24 nubbins`: well, last year

03:58:33 nubbins`: forgot it's feb ;(

03:58:38 Vexual: now thats a nice thing to eat very fresh is peas

03:58:39 cazalla: summer is almost over here so i'll be looking forward to winter for the snow peas

03:58:51 jayk: mmm peas are so good

03:58:54 jayk: can eat them all day

03:59:08 nubbins`: yeah

03:59:09 Vexual: mmm snowpeas

03:59:13 nubbins`: i tried sugar sprint peas this year

03:59:17 nubbins`: really tasty

03:59:20 nubbins`: really fast too

04:00:03 nubbins`: http://myfolia.com/plants/1045-snap-pea-pisum-sativum-var-macrocarpon/varieties/4626-sugar-sprint

04:00:04 cazalla: do you need a trellis for those

04:00:05 ozbot: Snap pea 'Sugar Sprint' Plant Care & Growing Information | folia

04:00:17 nubbins`: i used bamboo rods, sorta worked

04:00:23 nubbins`: trellis would be better

04:00:31 nubbins`: or even several rods per pot, teepee style

04:00:52 nubbins`: grew 'em in empty 2L milk containers

04:01:21 Vexual: excellent food delivered world wide by jet and all bitcoin should be a thing

04:01:36 nubbins`: drone delivery

04:02:03 herbijudlestoids: harrrrrrrrr

04:02:04 herbijudlestoids: fucken cunts

04:02:07 herbijudlestoids: i work, with fucken cunts

04:02:11 nubbins`: this type of milk container, if the top is fully opened, is just deep enough for peas and easy to move by hand: http://www.scotsburn.com/images/Prducts/Calcium/UltrSKM.jpg

04:02:20 nubbins`: herb, quit

04:02:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25850 @ 0.00092695 = 23.9617 BTC [-]

04:02:47 herbijudlestoids: i own a chunk of the company, dont want to quit

04:02:57 herbijudlestoids: i want them to spend money on servers and switching instead of conferences and meetpus

04:03:21 mircea_popescu: jesus! so all my life i was of the opinion i can identify diabethics, because i smell it on their breath. bunches of people thought this nutty.

04:03:38 nubbins`: sweet

04:04:13 mircea_popescu: talking to doctor person today i find out that a. in diabethics the body uses a lot of fat, creating a lot of ketones

04:04:17 herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: ketoacidosis?

04:04:19 herbijudlestoids: yea

04:04:22 mircea_popescu: which eventually decarboxylate into acetone

04:04:28 mircea_popescu: which eventually gets lost through respiration.

04:04:51 mircea_popescu: (the guy asks me "well, what does it smell like ?" "apples" "but ofcourse. you're smelling acetone.")

04:04:53 Vexual: something clever

04:05:12 mircea_popescu: never fucking doubt what you know!

04:05:24 herbijudlestoids: or just google to confirm :P

04:05:35 herbijudlestoids: http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000320.htm

04:05:36 mircea_popescu: i guess so.

04:05:38 nubbins`: incidentally, this is where the whole "huffing on your fingernails before rubbing them on your lapel" thing came from

04:06:15 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids don't work with cunts. you play any poker ?

04:06:26 herbijudlestoids: i dont play poker

04:06:28 Namworld: You guys should see Bitfinex right now.

04:06:46 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids mkay. anyway, the idea is you ditch a hand when you know it can't win, not when you're comfortable with the loss.

04:07:04 Namworld: Someone managed to put a micro ask order for 500 USD/BTC and a bid for 10000 USD/BTC, which are now stuck there.

04:07:16 mircea_popescu: bitfinex still exists ?!

04:07:18 Namworld: Let's just say it's breaking having on the shorts/calls

04:07:29 Namworld: Yes. I was talking about it last month

04:07:41 mircea_popescu: how do all the scams keep going about like fucking zombies i'll never know./

04:07:47 Namworld: Saying how it was lasting a long time while I expected it to go under within a month.

04:07:52 herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: if i didnt think the company was about to grow by about 1000% i wouldnt be working here :)

04:08:05 Namworld: Mircea, there's a lot of people trading on Bitfinex.

04:08:08 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids a ok then. you don't REALLY think they're cunts huh.

04:08:18 nubbins`: well if it's gonna do that, fuck the servers and switching ;p

04:08:27 nubbins`: go to 2x as many "meetups"

04:08:35 mircea_popescu: Namworld sucks for them i guess.

04:08:35 Namworld: They can be seen on the Bitcoin price/market/speculation channels. Lot of people short/call on there.

04:08:36 herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: theyre cunts because i should be in charge and everyone should listen to me and do as i say but they dont

04:08:53 Namworld: I'm on like 20 BTC related channels, watching

04:08:53 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids kinda proves they shouldn't.

04:09:39 cazalla: tickles my ego when i know what mircea_popescu is going to say before it's said

04:09:53 mircea_popescu: cazalla :)

04:09:53 herbijudlestoids: let me clarify. they are not cunts, until something goes wrong in exactly the way that i predicted if we went down a particular path

04:09:57 herbijudlestoids: then, they are cunts.

04:10:03 mircea_popescu: tell them :D

04:10:06 herbijudlestoids: oh i do!

04:10:15 mircea_popescu: what do they say ?

04:11:05 herbijudlestoids: mostly that things are the way they are

04:11:21 mircea_popescu: uh.

04:11:47 mircea_popescu: i'll bet you an altcoin this thing isn't growing 1000% in three months.

04:12:09 Vexual: hey im at this luch, sounds like a good idea

04:12:09 nubbins`: ^

04:12:11 herbijudlestoids: 3-6 months is actually the timeframe

04:12:22 mircea_popescu: take it or leave it :D

04:12:29 nubbins`: just think your very own altcoin

04:12:34 nubbins`: you could call it herbijudlestoidscoin

04:12:38 mircea_popescu: that you can now owe :D

04:12:45 mircea_popescu: nubbins` nono, i meant tat's thing

04:12:48 mircea_popescu: one of them

04:13:06 Vexual: can't owe for a lunch

04:13:06 nubbins`: i know ;(

04:13:40 mircea_popescu: cazalla you know, i'm developing a serious problem with that.

04:13:50 mircea_popescu: people keep knowing what i'm gonna say and say it first just to spite me

04:14:21 mircea_popescu: im gonna borrow Vexual's chainz just to mess with people.

04:14:52 Vexual: um, yeah, sure

04:14:52 cazalla: i wouldn't do that, i see at as evidence i'm actually learning something

04:14:57 cazalla: it*

04:15:49 nubbins`: don't mess with the man's jewelry

04:16:05 Vexual: yeah its ok

04:16:09 Vexual: i guess

04:17:09 Vexual: im not here for a haircut

04:17:29 nubbins`: who is?! buy clippers

04:17:45 herbijudlestoids: i think after my company gets bought out im gonna just try and find some small/simple linux sysadmin work

04:17:49 Vexual: a spoonful of cement perhaps

04:18:11 nubbins`: http://dpaste.com/1587985/

04:18:12 ozbot: dpaste: #1587985

04:18:12 nubbins`: lel

04:18:49 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids why not find some small/simple sex work ?

04:19:00 mircea_popescu: like teaching a bunch of teenagers to enjoy walking naked about town ?

04:19:00 nubbins`: yeah

04:19:10 nubbins`: or giving out handies for bitcents

04:19:22 herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: im probly far less qualified? and i love working as a linux sysadmin on small projects?

04:19:25 herbijudlestoids: im sick of this scale shit

04:19:30 herbijudlestoids: running thousands of cores

04:19:41 Vexual: quit

04:19:45 herbijudlestoids: soon :)

04:19:53 herbijudlestoids: well, not quit, but buyout

04:20:04 Vexual: but the cunts remain

04:21:13 herbijudlestoids: i just have one last extremely large cloud to build

04:21:52 herbijudlestoids: maybe ill even get a job in a bookstore or something nice and simple like that

04:22:19 Vexual: lol

04:22:53 mircea_popescu: maybe you could work for mr bookman.

04:22:54 Vexual: ill do your tax

04:23:17 herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: thats two seinfeld quotes, fan? i grew up watching it

04:23:36 herbijudlestoids: "its european" and "mr bookman"

04:23:36 mircea_popescu: i probably watched each episode twenty times.

04:23:55 Vexual: it was all that was on television here for 10 years

04:23:56 herbijudlestoids: :D do you like curb your enthusiasm?

04:24:02 herbijudlestoids: lol vex yea

04:24:04 mircea_popescu: i never watched that.

04:24:13 herbijudlestoids: woah what!

04:24:30 Vexual: fraudsters

04:24:50 mircea_popescu: o nm, i did watch five minutes of it. larry david is being awkward while a girlscout selling him cookies gets her period.

04:25:23 mircea_popescu: it sounds way better in that summary than it actually was.

04:25:31 nubbins`: ^

04:25:31 herbijudlestoids: i always grew up thinking each of the seinfeld characters has their own special quirks

04:25:43 herbijudlestoids: but then i watched curb your enthusiasm and realised they are all just bits of larry david

04:25:53 mircea_popescu: nah.

04:26:02 herbijudlestoids: yah

04:26:08 mircea_popescu: i would say larry david's contribution into the show is roughly represented by his total pay.

04:26:22 mircea_popescu: he made what, like 50mn to seinfeld's 1bn ?

04:26:35 herbijudlestoids: ? his net worth is 750mn

04:26:35 Vexual: im sending chapelle corby the seinfeld box

04:26:51 Namworld: [23:19] <mircea_popescu> like teaching a bunch of teenagers to enjoy walking naked about town ?

04:27:03 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: unrelated but possibly relevant to you: http://www.notanon.com/zipit/different-linux-distributions-for-the-zipit-z2/2010/05/30/

04:27:23 Namworld: I'd be all for lifting ban on lack of clothing everywhere.

04:27:24 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: $ 20 or so.

04:27:36 jayk: wasn't mr bookman allergic to kamers shirt?

04:27:39 nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/sochi-security-airlines-warned-of-explosive-toothpaste-tube-threat-1.2524948

04:27:41 ozbot: Sochi security: Airlines warned of explosive toothpaste tube threat - World - CBC News

04:28:18 nubbins`: you'll need to be unconscious and naked to fly within 10 years, just saying

04:28:34 herbijudlestoids: cuntbreak over, back to cunting

04:28:38 Vexual: big bada boom in the cab nubbins'

04:28:46 mircea_popescu: Namworld hardly worth doing without the ban.

04:29:51 Namworld: I don't see why. It's supposed to be done strictly to go against the rules?

04:30:38 mircea_popescu: Namworld i generally don't want to see random people naked.

04:30:46 mircea_popescu: i want to see specific people naked and that's all.

04:31:14 mircea_popescu: moreover, the awkwardness and disability of the general folk the ban supports and nourishes serves as an adequate representation of their general mental and social inferiority.

04:31:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00302999 = 0.606 BTC [+] {2}

04:31:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30250 @ 0.0009263 = 28.0206 BTC [-] {2}

04:32:42 Namworld: Oh, I'd certainly prefer to only see specific people moving around naked and others not.

04:32:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00302999 = 0.303 BTC [+] {2}

04:32:56 mircea_popescu: so then there you go. ban serves a useful purpose.

04:33:39 Vexual: what kinda lead time can i expect for a vespa with vex on the numberplate in romania?

04:33:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00303 = 0.606 BTC [+]

04:33:56 Namworld: I would be okay if the ban simply wasn't there at all. Simply because it's silly.

04:34:09 mircea_popescu: Vexual i have no idea. a few weeks /

04:34:23 Vexual: the plate neednt be actual

04:34:26 mircea_popescu: Namworld many silly things are required for society to function.

04:35:13 Namworld: Perhaps. But is that really required for society to function?

04:35:20 Vexual: food

04:36:15 Vexual: and the odd sensible person

04:36:52 drstevebrule: is that chat about bitcoin markets? because BFX is fucked right now

04:37:20 Namworld: I was mentioning that earlier.

04:37:26 drstevebrule: if not, what channel do I go to? cause this is a shit show

04:37:42 Vexual: what of your life boat seteve?

04:38:44 nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/deer-droppings-lead-to-artistic-protest-in-penticton-1.2523625

04:38:51 ozbot: Deer droppings lead to artistic protest in Penticton - British Columbia - CBC News

04:39:40 Vexual: shit that looks like the lamb that brought the fear

04:39:51 nubbins`: well, doctor, this is as good a place as any to voice your displeasure

04:40:10 nubbins`: Vexual, it makes me feel funny

04:40:26 drstevebrule: I told you guys, Im relaxing in my life boat, everyone is starting to really scramble for one now

04:40:28 nubbins`: that's a lovely wooden stand it's on, though

04:41:04 Vexual: ug the stand is too two dimensional

04:41:27 nubbins`: deers can't stand on curved surfaces

04:41:31 nubbins`: you're thinking goats

04:41:39 mircea_popescu: drstevebrule say wut ?

04:42:15 mircea_popescu: o, bitfinex ? dude, srsly, it was identified as a scam a while back, what did you think ?

04:42:20 nubbins`: http://blogfiles.wfmu.org/KF/2011/11/02/deer_duck_caught.gif

04:43:02 Namworld: Was it?

04:43:13 mircea_popescu: is that your prime minister nubs ?

04:43:24 drstevebrule: every exchange is on crack these days, you can't win haha

04:43:24 nubbins`: the duck? he resigned

04:43:32 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140484.0 Namworld

04:43:34 nubbins`: this is our new prime minister: http://25.media.tumblr.com/50a526a5ec7fd316c4d93142d5f849a2/tumblr_ml9mz7em0Z1qem0zfo1_500.gif

04:43:34 ozbot: MPOE-PR's list of things you always suspected were scams but never dared say so.

04:44:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 14 @ 0.04999554 = 0.6999 BTC [+] {3}

04:44:28 Vexual: are we allowed vimeo?

04:44:38 nubbins`: sure, why not

04:44:39 nubbins`: http://peripateticbone.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/ba3.jpg

04:44:47 drstevebrule: BFX seems hacked right now, there is a 10,000 bid that is making me take out more margin then I should actually be allowed to take out

04:44:58 drstevebrule: its a shit show

04:45:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34850 @ 0.00092702 = 32.3066 BTC [+] {2}

04:45:23 Namworld: Oh... I wouldn't as much label it as a scam than incompetence. Although does the distinction between the two really matter? Same result.

04:45:34 mircea_popescu: i doubt the distinction matters practically.

04:45:36 Namworld: But yeah

04:45:49 Namworld: Yes, it's pretty funny, DrSteve

04:45:50 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PG3hBCrgRJU

04:45:51 ozbot: KOSHEEN - "GONE" - YouTube

04:46:05 drstevebrule: that is a really nice painting of our prime minister...

04:46:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4850 @ 0.00092947 = 4.5079 BTC [+] {2}

04:46:12 mircea_popescu: drstevebrule this isn't the first time with them, either. one of the two kids split a few months ago, he had a lot of dirt to share re his friend

04:46:20 mircea_popescu: somehow tho, people never do much research.

04:47:03 Namworld: There's only one "Gone" video for me... this remix: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TlPo0yCSa4

04:47:28 drstevebrule: well I didn't do much research, maybe I should hang out here more. I hope I don't get ripped off

04:48:05 mircea_popescu: you probably will, as in general i've noticed people join here after being ripped off.

04:48:12 mircea_popescu: befre, they're kings of all matters financial.

04:48:43 drstevebrule: haha don't say that, i was not ripped off yet

04:49:00 Vexual: yeah ive redirected you subscrip[tion to bears monthly

04:50:04 Vexual: not relly

04:50:41 mircea_popescu: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?443247-Think-you-know-everything-bitcoin-Meet-Mircea-Popescu-of-Romania&p=5403853

04:50:46 mircea_popescu: now i know i've made it.

04:50:54 nubbins`: Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJqo90lNYLs

04:51:04 nubbins`: you can mute if you like

04:51:31 Vexual: i can handle it

04:51:45 ozbot: Think you know everything bitcoin? Meet Mircea Popescu of Romania

04:52:36 Vexual: welcome to yesterday

04:52:37 drstevebrule: wow, i really am not good enough to be here. fuck - sorry guys

04:52:39 mircea_popescu: and now it's time for...

04:52:41 mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cajcEZ5Z-x8

04:52:42 ozbot: Animaniacs - Nighty Night Toons - YouTube

04:54:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 5 @ 0.04999998 = 0.25 BTC [+]

04:57:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1179 = 0.2358 BTC [-]

04:57:19 nubbins`: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jGaio87u3A

04:57:20 ozbot: Deepest Mandelbrot Set Zoom Animation ever - a New Record 10^275 (2.1E275 or 2^915) - YouTube

04:59:09 nubbins`: i actually had to turn it off

04:59:50 Vexual: quite deep

05:00:41 Vexual: points for goa trance

05:04:04 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4khelsQ8LdQ

05:04:05 ozbot: Aeon Flux - The Complete Animated Collection Trailer - YouTube

05:07:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.00092681 = 10.0095 BTC [-]

05:11:23 Mats_cd03: .bait

05:11:25 ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m741ce4H5a1qcq2olo1_500.jpg

05:12:50 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: with info i dumped today I limited the population that coul be me to even rather naive lusers to 1

05:13:37 Vexual: you forgot to sa ratio

05:15:30 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_pS46YRMIQ

05:15:31 ozbot: Die Antwoord - Zef Side. - YouTube

05:15:39 BingoBoingo: Vexual: Finite things have answers in the world that aren't numbers though

05:16:44 Vexual: tell my oncologist

05:17:57 BingoBoingo: Vexual: methotrexate

05:21:08 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6JYzOjglBs

05:21:09 ozbot: Seeed: Aufstehn - (official Video) - YouTube

05:26:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.105 BTC [-]

05:26:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4196 @ 0.00092614 = 3.8861 BTC [-]

05:30:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10950 @ 0.00092033 = 10.0776 BTC [-]

05:34:09 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pw6ofgKjuGo

05:34:11 ozbot: Die Antwoord - I Don't Need You (Unofficial) - YouTube

05:36:36 BingoBoingo: Vexual: You self chemo yet?

05:37:58 Vexual: no

05:38:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2323 @ 0.0030001 = 6.9692 BTC [-] {4}

05:41:55 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QK8mJJJvaes damn


05:55:53 Mats_cd03: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bZkp7q19f0 1.9bln views

05:57:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 28 @ 0.00458895 = 0.1285 BTC [-]

05:58:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 47 @ 0.00458894 = 0.2157 BTC [-] {2}

05:58:56 Namworld: Do you know the consequences of having bids at 10000 and asks at 500 bugged on the orderbook? All shorts/margins are considered in the profits massively. And you can just margin to the max based on fake profits. Apparently.

05:59:27 Namworld: And run your account into the red when the actual last price makes shorts/calls execute.

05:59:43 Namworld: Someone put a screenshot in markets channel

05:59:45 Namworld: http://i.imgur.com/LdXwDlM.png

06:01:04 Namworld: Or actually they don't get executed based on last price... not sure.

06:01:09 Namworld: Either way

06:01:38 Namworld: If whoever put those orders in there removes them... might cause a mass execute of all margin orders.

06:02:13 Namworld: Because it seems the current situation gives everyone on finex more or less infinite margin.

06:05:30 BingoBoingo: 45 minutes

06:15:11 herbijudlestoids: whats that sound that the quarry makes

06:15:16 herbijudlestoids: in flinstones at the end of the day

06:15:21 herbijudlestoids: that noise just went off in my head

06:15:29 herbijudlestoids: yabbadabbadoo

06:22:42 Bugpowder: So is gox finally imploding?

06:23:40 BingoBoingo: Bugpowder: We can hope

06:24:03 Bugpowder: Just shut it down for the love of god

06:26:14 BingoBoingo: Bugpowder: When dicks can eat themselves

06:31:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7750 @ 0.00086293 = 6.6877 BTC [-]

06:33:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.11839999 = 0.592 BTC [+] {3}

06:34:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.11999999 = 0.48 BTC [+]

06:35:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.12111111 = 1.09 BTC [+] {2}

06:36:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.12428571 = 0.87 BTC [+] {2}

06:37:26 herbijudlestoids: Namworld: any ideas how it happened?

06:37:29 herbijudlestoids: bug in the orderbook?

06:37:36 herbijudlestoids: poor matching system?

06:37:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.12666666 = 0.38 BTC [+] {2}

06:38:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 11 @ 0.13045453 = 1.435 BTC [+] {2}

06:39:55 Apocalyptic: hey Bugpowder, long time no see

06:40:02 Bugpowder: yo

06:46:08 benkay: asssssses

06:46:08 benkay: whats up mah neeeeeg

06:47:05 herbijudlestoids: Bugpowder: there has certainly been some complaints on /r/BitCoin which i check once a week or so

06:49:12 Namworld: Bug in the orderbook. Someone managed to place a fucked order and it's stuck there, it seems.

06:50:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00012949 = 0.1295 BTC [+]

06:51:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [MS] 23 @ 0.005 = 0.115 BTC

06:52:37 benkay: vexual i didn't know you were a seeed fan

06:53:24 herbijudlestoids: Namworld: any indications why the order wasnt matched in auction correctly?

06:53:36 herbijudlestoids: or why the exch admins havent matched manually?

06:54:03 herbijudlestoids: how can there be any margin liquidations if the orderbook is broken :P

06:54:03 Namworld: Because something must be botched in the code and it doesn't work, obviously.

06:54:24 herbijudlestoids: not like they can clear any orders in the market on customers with margin calls

06:55:14 Namworld: Luk hiere, thangs ir bork'd op.

06:55:29 Namworld: Margin liquidation can happen on finex. People can withdraw LTC/BTC

06:55:44 Namworld: All numbers are borked up.

06:55:55 herbijudlestoids: how are the liquidations happening

06:56:02 herbijudlestoids: sorry if im pestering

06:56:19 Namworld: How would I freaking now?

06:56:26 Namworld: Code is borked is borked.

06:56:31 Namworld: Seems quite simple.

06:56:39 Namworld: It's the Bitopocalypse.

06:57:19 benkay: derpy web app developers match orders manually? don't make me laugh, herbijudlestoids

06:57:22 benkay: Namworld herbijudlestoids how do we profit off of all this incompetence?

06:57:44 herbijudlestoids: short bitfinex on MPEX? :P

06:57:54 Namworld: We don't.

06:57:57 herbijudlestoids: ^

06:58:02 herbijudlestoids: do not get involved

06:58:11 herbijudlestoids: best risk/reward ratio

06:58:28 Namworld: I tested with a small amount. No orders/margins go through. Withdrawals occurs.

06:59:08 Namworld: I would guess wallet would have gone empty OR Bitstamp would have been crashed/pumped infinitely if people managed to exploit it.

06:59:16 herbijudlestoids: it doesnt make sense to me unless the exchange is flawed by design

06:59:35 herbijudlestoids: youre saying the wide orders placed in the book jammed it up

06:59:48 herbijudlestoids: margin liquidations happen into the orderbook

06:59:55 BingoBoingo: Namworld: Bitocolypse was 11 months ago

07:00:20 herbijudlestoids: if liquidations are happening without going into the market then the exchange is taking on liabilities which might not be available when the market returns at the correct volumes

07:00:36 kakobrekla: mornin

07:00:44 herbijudlestoids: hullo kako :)

07:00:51 herbijudlestoids: whats your 2c?

07:00:53 kakobrekla: ;;ticker

07:00:54 gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 851.51234, Best ask: 853.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.48766, Last trade: 853.0, 24 hour volume: 17904.66180588, 24 hour low: 801.0, 24 hour high: 933.51848, 24 hour vwap: 868.59757

07:01:06 kakobrekla: i need coffee

07:01:09 Namworld: kako

07:01:18 kakobrekla: m?

07:01:20 Namworld: Bitfinex huge derping

07:01:28 kakobrekla: gox stuck?

07:01:30 Namworld: Have a laugh this morning

07:01:35 Namworld: No, Bitfinex...

07:01:41 kakobrekla: hm

07:01:44 BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: gox finally bleeds

07:01:53 herbijudlestoids: woah, the GHs/BTC price on cex.io has finally crashed too

07:01:57 Namworld: Someone managed to stuck a 10000 USD bid and a 500 USD ask that won't go away.

07:01:57 kakobrekla: wait isnt bitfinex just passing orders through

07:02:10 Namworld: So all margins, trades, etc are derping hard

07:02:11 kakobrekla: bah im outta power again

07:02:15 kakobrekla: mother fuckers

07:02:16 kakobrekla: later.

07:02:20 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Cex was always scam

07:02:23 Namworld: Awww...

07:02:36 kakobrekla: brb asap

07:02:49 herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: ? what do you mean? i thought the GHs/BTC price was always destined to go down, not a scam simply as a function of the ROI on 1GHs

07:03:08 herbijudlestoids: i been watching it since it was 0.18 lol

07:03:18 herbijudlestoids: if only you could short it

07:03:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9267 @ 0.00082189 = 7.6165 BTC [-]

07:03:25 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: scam on the Doge/Itallian style

07:04:04 herbijudlestoids: in the sense of, its not a good investment to put money into versus just holding BTC?

07:04:26 herbijudlestoids: sorry, im retarded

07:04:33 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: As in btter answer in 40 mins

07:04:44 herbijudlestoids: you gotta explain things real slow for retards

07:05:41 Mats_cd03: hes as clueless about what that means as you are

07:06:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+]

07:07:00 Mats_cd03: if his english wasnt inconsistently shite id wonder if BingoBoingo was an AI

07:09:05 herbijudlestoids: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/02/eff-challenges-new-jersey-subpoena-issued-mit-student-bitcoin-developers

07:09:06 ozbot: EFF Challenges New Jersey Subpoena Issued to MIT Student Bitcoin Developers | Electronic Frontier Fo

07:09:27 assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 500 @ 0.00172845 = 0.8642 BTC [-]

07:10:16 herbijudlestoids: lol this is a pretty hilarious article

07:10:34 jayk: BingoBoingo

07:10:35 herbijudlestoids: "We explained to the New Jersey Attorney General that Tidbit's code as configured was incapable of mining for Bitcoins, meaning it could not provide much of the information requested in the subpoena. Plus, New Jersey had no jurisdiction to issue a subpoena to Rubin, who lived in Massachusetts, or Tidbit, which had no connections to New Jersey at all; the server housing the code is not located in New Jersey and Tid

07:11:01 jayk: http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2014/2/4/5380284/richard-sherman-violently-owns-a-troll-on-twitter-with-lombardi-trophy

07:11:02 ozbot: Richard Sherman violently owns a troll on Twitter with Lombardi Trophy - SBNation.com

07:11:02 jayk: lol

07:11:13 jayk: he lost his twitter account ha ha

07:16:15 BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03 Nikkers

07:16:23 KRS-One: Major bitfinex fuckup

07:16:27 KRS-One: Trading halted

07:16:45 herbijudlestoids: KRS-One: scroll up namworld has some screenshots and a small amt info

07:16:46 BingoBoingo: KRS-One: Which fuckup counts nao?

07:17:11 Namworld: Old news, KRS

07:18:35 jayk: oh

07:18:36 benkay: Namworld herbijudlestoids how do we profit off of all this incompetence?

07:18:52 kakobrekla: that was fast.

07:18:55 Namworld: You apparently can't, benkay

07:19:06 kakobrekla: hehe

07:19:28 BingoBoingo: benkay: Looks like Richard sherman could use a few BJ's

07:19:45 benkay: buh kill ring

07:20:00 jayk: poor sherman

07:20:09 jayk: he's probably celebrated out

07:20:43 KRS-One: holy shits

07:20:46 KRS-One: this is messed up

07:20:50 BingoBoingo: jayk: He still kept Dever from going long all game. Dunno how a cornerback could be better, He owned that shit.

07:21:12 KRS-One: I shorted almost 1000 LTC since amost $21..now its what, $14?

07:21:13 BingoBoingo: KRS-One: What scammed you nao? Doge?

07:21:13 jayk: they didn't talk about him though i was surprised

07:21:22 kakobrekla: how is it messed up, they have nice css

07:21:26 KRS-One: BingoBoingo: I only touch BTC/LTC.

07:21:44 BingoBoingo: jayk: The didn't need because he was good.

07:22:17 BingoBoingo: KRS-One: If you touch LTC Goat touches you... at night... quietly...

07:22:27 kakobrekla: haha

07:22:44 KRS-One: Just my f'n luck..wonder if I'll wake up and LTC is $22

07:23:18 jayk: i should add a section to wiki with bold text face Peyten's Fumble

07:23:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 63 @ 0.4987529 = 31.4214 BTC [+] {4}

07:23:44 BingoBoingo: jayk: No reason, was a boring game

07:23:47 KRS-One: and yet tweens are doubling, tripling their money on cryptsy of all exchanges with "doggie" coin and I got thousands sitting here I cant touch.

07:23:56 jayk: it'll be in the reels though in future games and bloopers

07:24:05 jayk: He'll be known for this forever.

07:24:25 jayk: at the store today i talked about it with complete strangers

07:24:59 BingoBoingo: Some Nigga post this to Slashdot then we vote it immortal http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/02/04/memes-go-meta-altcoin-unveiled-this-past-weekend/#more-611

07:25:29 BingoBoingo: 'Cous Somalia

07:25:36 Namworld: Well one user posted this earlier: http://i.imgur.com/LdXwDlM.png

07:25:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2910 @ 0.00082988 = 2.415 BTC [+]

07:25:45 Namworld: It's a good condensed explanation.

07:26:01 Namworld: They say a picture is worth a thousand word after all.

07:26:23 BingoBoingo: Namworld: I will still loan for your tumor and revenge as collateral.

07:26:47 BingoBoingo: Goat kind of ruined the market though with the scam lambo

07:28:29 Namworld: Tumor and revenge as collateral?

07:28:35 Namworld: What?

07:29:32 benkay: scam lambo? what?

07:29:52 BingoBoingo: Namworld: I'll give you that roughly 300 btc if you can perfectly surgically extract a lobe of your lung. Remember. Nao ignore. DO better or be a bit hobo.

07:30:12 BingoBoingo: benkay: GOat's lambo. Made of pure filtered scam.

07:30:28 benkay: in that paid for with scam or doctored photos?

07:30:47 BingoBoingo: Goat is maybe 3 degrees warmer than thermos.

07:30:59 BingoBoingo: Goat is such scam.

07:32:21 BingoBoingo: I am glad I dun let drunk me know cold storage addresses because 12 years a Goat would get an Oscar.

07:32:38 herbijudlestoids: uh oh

07:32:54 herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo did you put another bottle of vodka in ur butt again

07:33:23 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Doesn't matter I am 30 miles from the nearest person with the right to care.

07:34:07 BingoBoingo: Also I take my vodka in the mouth. And I regret that traitorous Kentucky existed.

07:34:12 Namworld: http://bitcoinity.org/markets/bitfinex/USD

07:34:14 ozbot: bitcoinity.org/markets

07:34:29 Namworld: Courtesy lolcode

07:34:44 BingoBoingo: Namworld: Was nevar a thing

07:35:03 Namworld: Bitfinex had a brain fart.

07:35:15 herbijudlestoids: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-05/argentine-banking-system-archives-destroyed-deadly-fire

07:35:17 ozbot: Argentine Banking System Archives Destroyed By Deadly Fire | Zero Hedge

07:35:50 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Ain't deadly with a body count

07:36:16 Namworld: That zerohedge article... it's gonna be good... in a sad sad way. I can feel it.

07:37:04 BingoBoingo: Namworld: Zeroedge is worse than Business insider, except they can know it.

07:37:50 benkay: wow they actually murdered people to cover up the bank malfeasance

07:37:57 BingoBoingo: Does Open Genera need money? Who would donate to tit?

07:38:26 BingoBoingo: benkay: Does cause 'Murica sound familar?

07:38:36 Namworld: https://www.bitstamp.net/market/order_book/

07:38:41 ozbot: Order book - Bitstamp

07:38:48 Namworld: Well I haven't seen such an orderbook in a while.

07:40:05 BingoBoingo: Namworld: mandingo fight?

07:40:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12 BTC [-]

07:41:01 BingoBoingo: I have like, never wanted to enter a three month coma before like ever in my short ass life.

07:41:22 BingoBoingo: I blame the Cipher Anglo Trannie

07:41:34 BingoBoingo: For promoting scams

07:42:01 Namworld: What are you talking about? I don't have a clue what all you're saying is supposed to be about.

07:42:18 BingoBoingo: Namworld: Forum less, read moar.

07:42:35 Namworld: I barely use the forum.

07:43:03 BingoBoingo: Namworld: At least start with Aristotle's physics. That makes Altcoins special kind of purty.

07:45:01 BingoBoingo: I doubt I could hate White people more than BTC pushes me to.

07:45:46 BingoBoingo: I'd hate green people moar, but

07:48:16 Namworld: Are you on drugs right now? Each line seems either incoherent or unrelated to the previous one, more or less.

07:49:45 herbijudlestoids: is there any demand for physical wallets?

07:49:47 BingoBoingo: Namworld: Each next line seems more coherent than your last. Am I beating you on some sort on glacier sense olympics?

07:49:53 herbijudlestoids: cold storage wallets i mean

07:50:02 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Quite a bit for good ones

07:50:16 BingoBoingo: A lot of business there

07:50:28 herbijudlestoids: cos i was just looking at the coldcoins website cache, they were doing 5 for 50USD, laser engraved steel of BIP38 encrypted wallets

07:50:40 herbijudlestoids: and they closed down, citing not enough demand

07:51:23 herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: what constitutes a good one?

07:51:28 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Maybe their product was wrong?

07:51:33 jayk: christina o

07:51:39 benkay: business model, likely.

07:51:52 BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Find what makes a good cold wallet?

07:51:52 benkay: you're not going to run a fab shop on wallets.

07:52:04 benkay: wallets might make a nice revenue stream for a fab shop, however.

07:52:11 BingoBoingo: ^^

07:52:18 herbijudlestoids: but a steel engraving machine only costs 700AUD?

07:52:31 benkay: subtle distinction that these programmerrers will never get.

07:52:48 benkay: well you gotta operate it, keep lights on, run a business you know.

07:54:57 benkay: business as waterwheel; water must flow. business must come through the operation. if business is a whole bunch of metalworking work, then wallets can be a small fraction of the biz and still work. if biz throughput is just wallet engravings, well, that sustains a much smaller operation.

07:55:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16250 @ 0.00082531 = 13.4113 BTC [-]

08:01:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MG] 1000 @ 0.0001001 = 0.1001 BTC [-]

08:05:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MG] 1900 @ 0.00010001 = 0.19 BTC [-]

08:05:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 220 @ 0.00082687 = 0.1819 BTC [+]

08:10:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.NSA] 5000 @ 0.000107 = 0.535 BTC [-]

08:11:32 herbijudlestoids: ^ portfolio trade

08:12:21 benkay: missing bbet

08:13:04 benkay: who buys mg and not bbet? one throws off divs.

08:13:10 BingoBoingo: worse benkay

08:13:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 600 @ 0.00082687 = 0.4961 BTC [+]

08:14:26 BingoBoingo: benkay: Mircea likes gurls who do BBEt math

08:17:07 benkay: BingoBoingo you ain't makin no sense no mo

08:18:45 BingoBoingo: Depends. Am I niggers.txt or nigger.cl

08:22:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 110 @ 0.00447453 = 0.4922 BTC [-] {5}

08:22:43 BingoBoingo: benkay: What can Yogi handle? Oh Lord Jesus its a fire? Fuck no!

08:26:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28180 @ 0.00082687 = 23.3012 BTC [+]

08:31:38 BingoBoingo: Who shorted functional gardens though...

08:31:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00082613 = 14.4573 BTC [-] {2}

08:32:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2897 @ 0.00078874 = 2.285 BTC [-] {17}

08:33:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1825 @ 0.00065221 = 1.1903 BTC [-] {8}

08:34:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1446 @ 0.00012937 = 0.1871 BTC [+] {2}

08:36:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 4373 @ 0.00051933 = 2.271 BTC [-] {17}

08:36:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.1245 = 1.245 BTC [+] {2}

08:38:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12340 @ 0.00082988 = 10.2407 BTC [+]

08:41:09 Mats_cd03: I want to use amazon to move all my non furniture shit across the country

08:41:35 Mats_cd03: Why is moving still so expensive? Jesus

08:42:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20350 @ 0.00083282 = 16.9479 BTC [+]

08:42:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.125 BTC [+]

08:43:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1015 @ 0.00080063 = 0.8126 BTC [+] {2}

08:44:54 Mats_cd03: Also ozbot needs a voteban command

08:47:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+]

08:56:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52839998 BTC [+]

09:03:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1087 @ 0.0001293 = 0.1405 BTC [-]

09:09:20 cazalla: i always found moving cheap

09:09:36 cazalla: but then i only needed to move a desktop + clothes until i bought a home

09:15:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 207 @ 0.00072513 = 0.1501 BTC [-] {4}

09:33:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 286 @ 0.0007 = 0.2002 BTC [-]

09:39:54 Rick_: hi

09:40:32 Rick_: Mircea is here?

09:41:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 895 @ 0.00012939 = 0.1158 BTC [+] {2}

09:46:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+]

09:49:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+]

09:52:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38000 @ 0.00084336 = 32.0477 BTC [+]

09:52:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.12 = 0.6 BTC [-]

09:58:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.12 = 0.6 BTC [-]

09:58:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.075 = 0.375 BTC [-]

09:59:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+]

09:59:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.12 = 0.6 BTC [-]

10:00:25 herbijudlestoids: http://imgur.com/gallery/nb8fK

10:00:55 ozbot: Athletes and journalists start to check into Sochi. - Imgur

10:03:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+]

10:07:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.12 = 0.6 BTC [-]

10:09:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 500 @ 0.0004137 = 0.2069 BTC [-] {6}

10:10:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00012302 = 0.123 BTC [-] {9}

10:11:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 200 @ 0.00434141 = 0.8683 BTC [-] {11}

10:14:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22300 @ 0.00084864 = 18.9247 BTC [+]

10:26:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.075 = 0.375 BTC [-]

10:27:32 grazs: lifestyle journalists who are spoiled brats, refreshing

10:47:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.12 = 0.72 BTC [-]

10:50:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.12 = 0.6 BTC [-]

10:53:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.12 = 1.2 BTC [-] {2}

11:02:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04909987 = 0.2455 BTC [+]

11:52:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+]

11:53:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8250 @ 0.0008588 = 7.0851 BTC [+]

12:04:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29400 @ 0.00085437 = 25.1185 BTC [-] {2}

12:04:58 ThickAsThieves: Current transaction count: 4,819; stuck transaction outputs: 55,546.70 BTC (as of Feb 06 2014 12:03:21 UTC)

12:08:27 kakobrekla: gox?

12:10:00 truffles: ruined my 1st car yay

12:11:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.500101 BTC [-]

12:13:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.49717171 = 3.4802 BTC [-] {4}

12:17:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 13 @ 0.06846306 = 0.89 BTC [-] {10}

12:17:42 truffles: hi Chaaang-Noi

12:19:17 ThickAsThieves: yep gox

12:19:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.05872727 = 0.646 BTC [-] {4}

12:20:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 300 @ 0.000795 = 0.2385 BTC [-]

12:21:06 ThickAsThieves: http://coinsight.org/mtgox.html

12:21:07 ozbot: Mt.Gox Withdrawals - Coinsight.org

12:21:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 630 @ 0.0008 = 0.504 BTC [+]

12:22:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 203 @ 0.00084288 = 0.1711 BTC [+]

12:38:03 ThickAsThieves: MaxCoin, the new crypto currency founded by Max Keiser will launch on February 5 and it has a good chance of crossing $20 million in market cap its first month of mining.

12:38:03 ThickAsThieves: With over 88 altcoins listed on Coin Market Cap, it’s getting tougher to find the winners, but MaxCoin really stands out and here is why.

12:38:03 ThickAsThieves: Read more at http://www.maxkeiser.com/2014/02/maxcoin-the-next-altcoin-to-hit-20-million/#GWVehdKiqz68FXee.99

12:38:17 ThickAsThieves: MaxKeiserTV has 39K subscribers. His “personal” twitter handle has close to 91K followers and the Maxcoin “official” twitter handle has 4.2K followers. Pretty impressive for a coin that hasn’t launched yet!

12:38:17 ThickAsThieves: Read more at http://www.maxkeiser.com/2014/02/maxcoin-the-next-altcoin-to-hit-20-million/#GWVehdKiqz68FXee.99

12:38:27 ThickAsThieves: fukn autolinks

12:38:55 ThickAsThieves: MaxCoin’s mining difficulty will be retargeted using the kimoto gravity well algorithm. Recently, the Dogecoin developers have been thinking of retargeting this way as well

12:39:16 kakobrekla: algorhitmic dorra dorra bills yo

12:42:55 ThickAsThieves: https://twitter.com/TheRealAltcoin/status/431407548210483200

12:42:56 ozbot: Twitter / TheRealAltcoin: @maxkeiser @KeiserReport ...

12:51:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17150 @ 0.00085692 = 14.6962 BTC [+]

12:51:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7150 @ 0.00012975 = 0.9277 BTC [+] {9}

12:54:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 325 @ 0.003 = 0.975 BTC [+]

12:58:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 175 @ 0.003 = 0.525 BTC [+]

13:06:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4000 @ 0.00012987 = 0.5195 BTC [+] {2}

13:11:17 truffles: keisercoin sounds cooler imo

13:12:30 truffles: sounds close ro kaiser

13:12:30 ThickAsThieves: do you even mine?

13:12:40 truffles: i dont even alt no

13:13:57 truffles: i was optimistic about the coins now after seeing it unfold ive gone cynic

13:14:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22400 @ 0.00085791 = 19.2172 BTC [+] {2}

13:27:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12799999 BTC [+]

13:31:03 grazs: he's a tool

13:41:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.128 BTC [+]

13:42:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35400 @ 0.00085412 = 30.2358 BTC [-] {3}

13:43:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4518 @ 0.00012201 = 0.5512 BTC [-] {4}

13:50:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1916 @ 0.00011903 = 0.2281 BTC [-] {2}

14:01:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52826801 BTC [+]

14:02:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.52827001 = 1.0565 BTC [+] {2}

14:03:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 17 @ 0.52826894 = 8.9806 BTC [-] {3}

14:04:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.52839898 = 1.0568 BTC [+] {2}

14:04:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]

14:05:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.52839899 = 2.642 BTC [+]

14:06:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29312 @ 0.00085386 = 25.0283 BTC [-]

14:06:39 KRS-One: delusions of self importance

14:07:09 truffles: just about everyone :p

14:07:20 KRS-One: everyone what?

14:07:38 truffles: thinks highly of self

14:07:59 KRS-One: not those who have been humbled..

14:08:11 KRS-One: might even take a few times..

14:08:16 truffles: ya

14:08:30 KRS-One: I think everyone needs to be put to that test.

14:08:37 KRS-One: World might even be a better place.

14:08:45 KRS-One: And with more bait, of course.

14:08:46 KRS-One: .bait

14:08:48 ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m179qrVkVE1r2ytgyo1_1280.jpg

14:08:55 KRS-One: :O

14:09:04 truffles: id start with something else, like empathy

14:09:05 KRS-One: that ones like..BAM

14:09:26 truffles: booooobs

14:09:51 truffles: why is the lower region on display, is that like appealing?

14:09:51 KRS-One: those breastestes look down right uncomfortable.

14:10:04 KRS-One: truffles: not even

14:10:44 truffles: im sure there are some who enjoy that..

14:10:58 KRS-One: she better not travel quickly though any areas of great pressure difference or there could be a big ole mess.

14:11:00 truffles: face not even important enough ..

14:11:42 truffles: tv show had woman fall from respectable height into water, massive boobs popped heh

14:11:56 KRS-One: Nothing special at all..kind of beavis like... https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BJrq00ICMAEL96k.jpg

14:12:09 KRS-One: Yeah! I heard abou tthat.

14:12:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23000 @ 0.00085461 = 19.656 BTC [+]

14:12:26 KRS-One: and the one bitch on the airplane.

14:12:48 KRS-One: Could you imagine getting some of the fallout on you?? I'd be scared for life.

14:13:03 truffles: dunno if we're on the same ppl, but doubt they consider that when purchasing

14:13:20 ThickAsThieves: Altcoin Update: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=443108.msg4973367#msg4973367

14:13:37 truffles: u mean the person who bought or random?

14:13:51 KRS-One: ThickAsThieves: This was just for the lulz right?

14:14:07 truffles: silicone feels nice afaik

14:14:18 KRS-One: Is it traded on any exchanges yet?

14:14:18 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves did you ever get the code ?

14:14:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04909987 = 0.2455 BTC [+]

14:14:37 ThickAsThieves: no

14:14:54 ThickAsThieves: i'm still crossing my fingers pankakke can help or it magically appears

14:15:05 ThickAsThieves: otherwise i guess i'll post bounties to strangers

14:15:20 mircea_popescu: da fuck is matt doing.

14:15:34 truffles: "Fight the fight, sing the song" hehe

14:16:36 ThickAsThieves: <KRS-One> ThickAsThieves: This was just for the lulz right? << as much as anything in life

14:16:52 truffles: haha

14:17:18 mircea_popescu: depends on whose life.

14:17:21 mircea_popescu: lyfe*

14:17:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.04909986 = 0.1473 BTC [-]

14:17:48 ThickAsThieves: all values are dynamic, you taught me that

14:18:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28400 @ 0.00085557 = 24.2982 BTC [+]

14:18:30 truffles: even honey badger name drops hmm

14:18:46 mircea_popescu: if doge had the sense to start all addresses with Derp

14:18:57 Duffer1: hehe

14:18:58 mircea_popescu: then the association of herpetologist s could have made herpcoin

14:19:06 mircea_popescu: and we could have had herpderp altcoin wars

14:19:40 mircea_popescu: people. no strategic lulzforesight at all.

14:19:45 truffles: dodge envy itc

14:19:46 dexX7: http://www.cfr.org/economics/voices-next-generation-gavin-andresen-bitcoin/p32339

14:21:52 truffles: TAT what happens when some random noob gets pissed at u

14:22:09 ThickAsThieves: depends

14:22:13 Duffer1: who would get mad at tat?

14:22:26 truffles: me?

14:22:35 Apocalyptic: someone who bought X-BOND above the buyback price ?

14:22:46 Duffer1: hehe

14:22:48 ThickAsThieves: i can think of more

14:22:49 ThickAsThieves: hehe

14:23:22 ThickAsThieves: i'll either handle it, or i won't, or the crowd will

14:23:36 truffles: Apocalyptic have u played BingoBoingo yet?

14:23:53 Apocalyptic: yeah, was a one time thing though

14:23:57 truffles: im unhappy with the win loss ratio

14:24:03 truffles: why

14:24:13 ThickAsThieves: gavin hes lego hair

14:24:15 ThickAsThieves: has*

14:24:26 truffles: was he snail pace?

14:24:33 Apocalyptic: we call it playmobil hair here

14:24:47 ThickAsThieves: hehe

14:25:14 truffles: yes no???

14:25:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34050 @ 0.00085406 = 29.0807 BTC [-] {4}

14:27:23 PsychoticBoy_: all assets are crap and virtual

14:27:32 PsychoticBoy_: not backed by anything but air

14:27:32 ThickAsThieves: is keiser promoting maxcoin legal? i mean it's like 99% ponzi no?

14:27:43 PsychoticBoy_: whole MPex for example

14:27:59 PsychoticBoy_: ppl still buying that degrading shit

14:28:01 ThickAsThieves: you were asking who gets mad at TAT?

14:28:05 ThickAsThieves: enter PBoy

14:28:08 PsychoticBoy_: no I am not mad

14:28:27 truffles: Usao Scoin


14:28:43 Apocalyptic: u mad bro ?

14:28:50 PsychoticBoy_: yup and the bigest terrorist is the USA

14:29:12 PsychoticBoy_: hopefully THEY get hat they deserve :)

14:29:14 PsychoticBoy_: f the usa

14:29:23 mircea_popescu: PsychoticBoy_ listen here, just because you ran a shit asset on the global scam exchange

14:29:25 PsychoticBoy_: come on Russia bomb USA

14:29:30 mircea_popescu: doesn't mean everyone's you.

14:29:34 PsychoticBoy_: lol

14:29:40 PsychoticBoy_: gypsy king is speaking

14:29:43 mircea_popescu: easiest thing to do this, i'm stupid so therefore the world's dumb.

14:30:11 mircea_popescu: and that "degrading shit", for your information, has been here while you've been taking your goat sabbatical

14:30:21 PsychoticBoy_: goat?

14:30:22 mircea_popescu: "o herpderp i take a year off come back everyone forgot everything"

14:30:25 PsychoticBoy_: fuck goat

14:30:31 PsychoticBoy_: the scamming thai bitch

14:30:34 mircea_popescu: i can't distinguish between you glbse set.

14:30:42 mircea_popescu: but anyway. got shit to do so, later.

14:30:43 truffles: Goat is scammer?

14:30:51 truffles: :(

14:30:53 PsychoticBoy_: uhhh you did not know

14:30:57 PsychoticBoy_: lol

14:31:03 Apocalyptic: goat ran pirate's PT

14:31:17 truffles: PT?

14:31:19 truffles: link?

14:31:21 Duffer1: passthrough

14:31:22 Apocalyptic: passthrough

14:31:37 Apocalyptic: link ? check the forums, it's common knowledge here

14:31:48 PsychoticBoy_: chaaang noi is banned at most places

14:32:08 PsychoticBoy_: changes his name every day on bitcointalk

14:32:14 PsychoticBoy_: says enough

14:32:29 ThickAsThieves: how many days between when you change names?

14:32:41 PsychoticBoy_: I?

14:32:46 truffles: well thats disappointing

14:33:05 PsychoticBoy_: I do not change name because I am a very very reputable member of this community :)

14:33:13 PsychoticBoy_: unlike others

14:33:31 PsychoticBoy_: many know me personal

14:33:37 Duffer1: ;;gpg info psychoticboy_

14:33:37 gribble: No such user registered.

14:33:42 PsychoticBoy_: like all people on conferences

14:34:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.04800001 = 0.288 BTC [-] {2}

14:39:55 ThickAsThieves: did you go to the Amsterdam one?

14:40:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7294 @ 0.00085309 = 6.2224 BTC [-]

14:54:04 assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.C155T] 20 @ 0.00792262 = 0.1585 BTC [-]

14:54:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.50025452 BTC [-]

14:56:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.128 BTC [+]

15:00:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27756 @ 0.00085494 = 23.7297 BTC [+] {2}

15:02:07 PsychoticBoy_: yes I was at the Amsterdam con

15:02:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 67 @ 0.00339001 = 0.2271 BTC [+]

15:02:35 PsychoticBoy_: 45 min drive so it was around the corner

15:05:14 ThickAsThieves: maybe we met

15:05:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.04909984 = 0.1964 BTC [+] {2}

15:07:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19454 @ 0.00085851 = 16.7015 BTC [+]

15:10:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.54104998 = 4.3284 BTC [+] {6}

15:13:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.128 = 1.28 BTC [+] {2}

15:14:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.129 = 0.645 BTC [+]

15:15:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 13 @ 0.075 = 0.975 BTC [-]

15:31:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17900 @ 0.00086017 = 15.397 BTC [+] {2}

15:34:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.04909986 = 0.3928 BTC [+]

15:34:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.130001 BTC [+]

15:34:50 Chaaang-Noi: hi truffles was sleeping :)\

15:41:59 mike_c: ;;bc,24hprc

15:42:00 gribble: 813.68

15:42:21 mike_c: this is the real problem with not announcing option excercies. we don't get to watch the drama unfold :)

15:42:48 mike_c: i bet the option whale is having a bad day.

15:44:59 pankkake: I thought they were at the end of the month?

15:45:40 kakobrekla: cheaper today

15:45:56 pankkake: oh

15:46:06 pankkake: lol, it looks like the only way to change your havelock password is to do "forgot password"

15:46:51 mike_c: ;;calc ((500/813) - .1) - .4879146

15:46:51 gribble: 0.0270915500615

15:47:18 mike_c: whale sold the puts, so mpoe could excercise for a mpex profit today

15:53:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 300 @ 0.04967205 = 14.9016 BTC [+] {12}

16:02:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14774 @ 0.00086697 = 12.8086 BTC [+]

16:04:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 424 @ 0.00302 = 1.2805 BTC [+]

16:13:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 21 @ 0.00480099 = 0.1008 BTC [+]

16:14:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.0030469 = 0.9141 BTC [+]

16:22:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1498 @ 0.00304689 = 4.5642 BTC [-]

16:27:31 Duffer1: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/02/new-lawsuit-against-bitcoin-miner-manufacturer-alleges-fraud-negligence/

16:27:31 ozbot: New lawsuit against Bitcoin miner manufacturer alleges fraud, negligence | Ars Technica

16:27:34 Duffer1: it's about time

16:30:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.0030469 = 0.6094 BTC [+]

16:31:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2645 @ 0.00307646 = 8.1372 BTC [+] {10}

16:33:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2655 @ 0.00305301 = 8.1057 BTC [-] {5}

16:37:52 pankkake: "One of the world’s most mysterious Bitcoin-related companies" lol

16:44:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00487092 = 0.9742 BTC [+] {8}

16:47:33 nubbins`: hi

16:47:52 nubbins`: so it seems the inturnet is really upset about apple pulling blockchain.info from the app store, hey?

16:52:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [MS] 94 @ 0.005 = 0.47 BTC

16:52:55 ThickAsThieves: indeed

16:53:27 ThickAsThieves: god forbid Apple has a good reason

16:54:03 pankkake: I'm surprised it was allowed in the first place

16:54:09 nubbins`: but, but, i disagree with their reason

16:54:24 nubbins`: pankkake, the only reason it got in there in the first place was a sneak attack

16:55:02 kakobrekla: how so?

16:55:09 pankkake: introduce the app without X features, then introduce the features?

16:55:16 pankkake: that never works with Apple

16:56:01 pankkake: by the way, they don't even have to provide a reason for refusals :)))

17:01:29 ThickAsThieves: accepting bitcoin is the new "IPO" http://bitcoinmagazine.com/9945/favorite-team-accept-bitcoin/

17:02:01 ThickAsThieves: Overstock and Tigerdirect etc get a few extra hundred thousand and fade away

17:02:07 Duffer1: i accept bitcoin

17:02:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 0.76834323 BTC to 801 shares, 95923 satoshi per share

17:02:12 Duffer1: and lambos

17:02:13 pankkake: well, they deliver, at least

17:02:19 ThickAsThieves: indeed

17:02:25 pankkake: IPO was getting a lot of coins without accountability

17:02:59 pankkake: if accepting bitcoins means a lot of publicity and sales, that's not bad :)

17:04:53 pankkake: are lambos a good store of value?

17:05:21 nubbins`: heh

17:05:24 Duffer1: i have yet to receive one, i'll let you know if that happens

17:05:34 pankkake: I'm waiting for http://www.lamboparity.com/

17:05:36 nubbins`: pankkake: the wallet features were hidden by default

17:05:43 pankkake: lol hidden

17:05:48 nubbins`: yeah

17:05:53 nubbins`: you had to open a blockchain account

17:05:56 pankkake: reminds me of the flash light app that had a secret feature

17:05:58 nubbins`: via web

17:06:13 nubbins`: then some sort of thing like keep the account open for 2 weeks

17:06:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [MS] 212 @ 0.005 = 1.06 BTC

17:06:22 pankkake: interestingly, apple does not review the code of the app

17:06:32 pankkake: so you can sneak things… but usually not for long

17:06:34 nubbins`: then open the iphone app via the same ip address that you've previously logged in with on the website

17:06:46 pankkake: lol

17:06:49 pankkake: amazing

17:06:49 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

17:06:53 nubbins`: yeah

17:06:56 nubbins`: it was a real fuckaround

17:07:03 nubbins`: but they flew under the radar for years

17:07:28 kakobrekla: lol

17:07:45 pankkake: and in the same way, you can sneak malware. rendering the whole thing "for your protection" a lie

17:07:47 nubbins`: in practice, this made the app really unreliable when on the go

17:07:55 nubbins`: they do automatic code reviews

17:07:57 nubbins`: no manual tho

17:08:11 nubbins`: unless there's a problem suspected

17:08:17 diametric: automatic code reviews.. what a joke

17:08:23 nubbins`: i agree

17:08:32 nubbins`: it's more for catching bugs than anything

17:08:37 nubbins`: mem leaks etc

17:10:20 ThickAsThieves: http://www.coindesk.com/inc-5000-entrepreneur-buys-bitcoinwallet-com-domain-for-250k/

17:10:59 pankkake: he probably doesn't know any respectable bitcoin service ends in .io

17:15:54 nubbins`: heh

17:16:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.12997221 = 1.0398 BTC [-] {4}

17:16:29 nubbins`: anyway, on a related note, xcode comes with some great code analysis tools

17:17:17 nubbins`: the IDE itself isn't the greatest, and Interface Builder is pretty derpy

17:17:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.130001 BTC [+]

17:17:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 24 @ 0.0047894 = 0.1149 BTC [-]

17:17:41 nubbins`: but the code analysis features are top-notch

17:20:51 pankkake: powered by llvm?

17:26:16 asciilifeform: nubbins`: last i checked, those were just a thin gui skin on top of gdb and gprof.

17:26:37 nubbins`: pankkake, osx does use llvm-gcc

17:26:50 nubbins`: asciilifeform: could be, i never dug under the skin too much

17:27:17 nubbins`: afaik the whole thing is based on gnu tools tho

17:28:03 asciilifeform: well, Next's perverted gcc fork, anyway.

17:28:14 nubbins`: nod

17:28:29 nubbins`: this caused problems when trying to compile the last eulora release for osx

17:28:41 nubbins`: terrible, terrible problems

17:29:17 asciilifeform: apple died in '99.

17:29:29 asciilifeform: replaced by Next. (with name changed to 'apple')

17:29:39 nubbins`: nod

17:29:45 nubbins`: even the objects show relics of this

17:29:49 BingoBoingo: Apple died in 1984 replaced by Macintosh

17:29:52 nubbins`: NSString, etc

17:30:11 nubbins`: btw, objective-c is a brutal language to comprehend

17:30:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.13 BTC [-]

17:30:42 BingoBoingo: Well, not entirely until about 89, but it was on its way

17:30:44 nubbins`: took me the better part of 2 months just to decipher method calls

17:31:18 nubbins`: nothing shows a more callous disregard for developers than code relics

17:31:26 nubbins`: sharepoint was brutal for this

17:31:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32500 @ 0.00086805 = 28.2116 BTC [+] {2}

17:31:45 nubbins`: first they misappropropriated all these common words like "site" and "web" and "part"

17:32:03 nubbins`: then in one major release, they reassigned the names to different things

17:32:11 nubbins`: what was once called a site is now a web, etc

17:32:20 nubbins`: but all the old class names remained the same

17:32:32 nubbins`: so Web w = new Web(); creates a new Site, etc

17:32:39 nubbins`: it's enough to make you walk away

17:32:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00012909 = 0.6455 BTC [+] {9}

17:33:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6000 @ 0.00012985 = 0.7791 BTC [+] {5}

17:34:15 asciilifeform: in the '90s, i never imagined i'd miss the 'old apple'

17:34:25 nubbins`: old apple was before my time

17:35:01 nubbins`: hackintosh in '08 was my first non-casual exposure

17:35:07 asciilifeform: nubbins`: mostly - but not entirely - before my time: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=568

17:35:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31465 @ 0.00086396 = 27.1845 BTC [-] {4}

17:36:49 nubbins`: ah, haha, this is like vb

17:37:07 nubbins`: or interface builder, to a lesser extent

17:37:39 asciilifeform: nubbins`: in exactly the same way that a junkyard full of bricks, roof tiles, etc. resembles a house.

17:37:48 pankkake: there'se a language where the keywords can be either French or English

17:38:03 nubbins`: hah

17:38:10 nubbins`: legos, even

17:39:22 nubbins`: anyway, good article

17:39:44 nubbins`: there's a steady push towards an apple device being a device of consumption rather than production

17:39:59 nubbins`: this has been pretty much perfected in iDevices

17:40:13 nubbins`: osx is slowly following suit

17:41:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+]

17:42:29 ThickAsThieves: http://buttcoin.org/long-live-cryptic-urgencies watch neckbeards selftechmutilate

17:42:30 ozbot: Long Live Cryptic Urgencies - Buttcoin - The P2P crypto-currency for butts. - Buttcoin - It's Bitcoi

17:45:15 ThickAsThieves: all these guys smashed their phones cuz some reddite said he'd give out money to the first 5 people

17:45:20 ThickAsThieves: no wthe post is gone

17:45:36 Duffer1: didn't he escrow?

17:45:41 nubbins`: well ya know.

17:45:45 kakobrekla: so in a few days they will say "sry, you can has btc"

17:45:52 nubbins`: i'll send 100btc to everyone who smashes their dick with a hammer

17:45:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05610001 = 0.1122 BTC [-]

17:46:01 nubbins`: 200btc if you upload it to redtube

17:46:04 kakobrekla: and fanbois will be "oh noes gotta get new iphone 5"

17:46:05 kakobrekla: apple makes more monies.

17:46:15 ThickAsThieves: lol

17:46:34 nubbins`: "know what'll hurt apple? if i smash my on-contract phone that they've already been paid for, in full"

17:46:46 kakobrekla: and then get a new one

17:46:59 Diablo-D3: nubbins`: lol

17:47:00 nubbins`: naw dude, they're totally going for a windows phone this time ;p

17:47:10 Diablo-D3: hurting apple doesnt even make sense

17:47:10 ThickAsThieves: itd hurt apple way more to sell it secondhand

17:47:19 Diablo-D3: its a fucking company

17:47:27 Diablo-D3: its not real

17:47:46 nubbins`: tat, the first video is already brutal

17:47:49 Diablo-D3: go focus on actually real shit like starving africans and chinese death camps

17:47:54 nubbins`: some wizard with a dart hangin out of his face

17:47:58 nubbins`: "this is not acceptable"

17:48:02 nubbins`: *smashes $700 phone*

17:48:18 dexX7: <Duffer1> didn't he escrow? << he did

17:48:25 Diablo-D3: smashing a phone is basically telling the people who suffered in china to make it their lives have no meaning and they are dying in vain.

17:48:40 Diablo-D3: so, good job there.

17:48:43 Duffer1: oh hey dex, haven't seen you in irc in a while, stayin busy man?

17:48:43 ThickAsThieves: smash the chinese then?

17:48:45 pankkake: they should ask themselves why they bought it in the first place, and make their auto-critique

17:48:48 ThickAsThieves: i'm so confused

17:48:53 Diablo-D3: ThickAsThieves: I'd love to smash the chinese government

17:48:54 ThickAsThieves: what do i smash to get my way?

17:48:55 dexX7: hey :) yea, kinda

17:49:00 nubbins`: wait, he's going to strikeAAAAHHH

17:49:03 Diablo-D3: just wipe all those fucks off the face of the earth

17:49:18 kakobrekla: smash diablo

17:49:20 Diablo-D3: but it'd take the entirety of the western world to get rid of them

17:49:31 Diablo-D3: and I dont see our rich fucks going to war with their rich fucks any time soon

17:49:49 kakobrekla: maybe some ltc will fall out

17:49:54 ThickAsThieves: can we not turn this into the viability of world wars?

17:49:59 ThickAsThieves: thank you

17:50:06 Diablo-D3: ThickAsThieves: rich people wars are not real wars

17:50:11 Diablo-D3: they fight wars with cash, not dollars

17:50:13 Diablo-D3: er

17:50:16 Diablo-D3: cash not bullets

17:50:29 ThickAsThieves: agreed

17:51:08 nubbins`: man oh man

17:51:15 nubbins`: i'm actually a bit upset here

17:51:36 Duffer1: upset that no one has stepped forward to smash their dicks?

17:51:48 kakobrekla: smash the phone

17:51:57 ThickAsThieves: i'm so bad at Apple I refuse to reproduce!

17:54:50 Diablo-D3: *mad

17:55:35 nubbins`: Duffer1, upset at the stupidity of these retards

17:55:41 nubbins`: HULK SMASH

17:55:45 nubbins`: that'll show apple

17:58:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.003065 = 0.3065 BTC [-]

17:59:24 Duffer1: don't even worry about what retards do

17:59:48 Duffer1: that's PR's job

17:59:51 Duffer1: :P

18:01:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.1069323 = 0.2139 BTC [-] {2}

18:02:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 110 @ 0.003065 = 0.3372 BTC [-]

18:06:38 nubbins`: heh

18:06:55 nubbins`: "really sending a message to apple here"

18:07:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [MS] 65 @ 0.005 = 0.325 BTC

18:07:23 nubbins`: tat had it right, if he really wanted to stick it to apple, he would have sold his phone ;p

18:08:07 nubbins`: this is like if that single dad who paid us $400 for a bespoke kid's book said "fuck pink eye" and put his book in the shredder

18:08:26 nubbins`: we'd say "yes, fuck us" while smoking his money

18:08:44 ThickAsThieves: "i'm going sprint down 300 yards and try and get this rifle on target as fast as possible"

18:08:51 ThickAsThieves: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuQZTAJ2KLk

18:08:51 ozbot: R3 Destroys anti bitcoin iPhone with a rifle in exchange for a Nexus 5 - YouTube

18:09:56 ThickAsThieves: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=451897.msg4977641#msg4977641

18:09:59 ozbot: iPhone 5 phones destroyed in protest against Apple's anti-Bitcoin actions

18:10:13 asciilifeform: soviet version of the joke: 'man buys a ticket, rips it up and walks - to spite the trolley conductor.'

18:10:47 nubbins`: side note, what's with all these fucking idiots laying their phones on concrete and striking them with metal tools?

18:11:09 nubbins`: do they even eyes?

18:11:13 ThickAsThieves: metal tools are more organic

18:11:30 nubbins`: heh

18:11:49 nubbins`: srsly, the only part of these videos where i cringe is when i see a metal implement striking concrete

18:12:17 ThickAsThieves: when will someone put one in a microwave?

18:12:40 nubbins`: as soon as i finish submitting this post to reddit

18:12:55 nubbins`: lel, i kid ;(

18:13:13 ThickAsThieves: :()

18:13:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 50 @ 0.49816901 = 24.9085 BTC [-] {16}

18:14:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 42 @ 0.0047894 = 0.2012 BTC [-]

18:15:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 183 @ 0.00306469 = 0.5608 BTC [-] {2}

18:16:22 nubbins`: did i mention the problem i was having with my iphone the other day?

18:16:47 nubbins`: fuckin thing completely stopped charging, 9 days out of warranty

18:16:57 ThickAsThieves: you are charging it wrong

18:17:06 ThickAsThieves: "We have surveillance video from the hotels that shows people turn on the shower, direct the nozzle at the wall and then leave the room for the whole day," the official told members of the press, according to The Wall Street Journal.

18:17:06 ThickAsThieves: Kozak was attempting to argue that foreign journalists were biased against Russia and were intentionally working to paint the Sochi games as a disaster. But in the process, he may have just spooked everyone assigned hotel rooms to attend the games.

18:17:13 nubbins`: cajoled apple into fixing it for free, later realized that the bottom of the port had a bunch of impacted lint

18:17:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 72 @ 0.00307801 = 0.2216 BTC [+]

18:17:26 nubbins`: so i guess i get a free box in the mail any day now ;p

18:17:45 ThickAsThieves: they let you keep the old one when replacing?

18:17:56 nubbins`: no, they mail you a box to return your broken phone in

18:18:01 ThickAsThieves: ah

18:18:20 nubbins`: literally an hour after i hung up, i scooped the lint out

18:18:25 nubbins`: works like a charm now


18:18:33 Duffer1: so they have video footage of peoples showers?

18:18:41 nubbins`: Duffer1, +1 heh

18:19:01 Duffer1: seems like a terrible thing to tell the press, but what do i know

18:19:18 ThickAsThieves: yep

18:19:26 Duffer1: didn't you get your phone replaced though nub?

18:19:26 ThickAsThieves: right in the shower head apparently

18:19:29 nubbins`: tat, got a link?

18:19:35 asciilifeform: someone should teach these folks about 'parallel construction.'

18:19:36 nubbins`: Duffer1, nah, have had this for just over a year

18:19:40 ThickAsThieves: http://www.theverge.com/2014/2/6/5386482/sochi-winter-olympics-video-surveillance-of-hotel-room-showers

18:19:41 ozbot: Russian official says government has video surveillance of Sochi hotel room showers | The Verge

18:19:54 Duffer1: what'r you waiting for then, free nexus 5 go

18:19:56 ThickAsThieves: wsj source

18:20:00 ThickAsThieves: http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304680904579366712107461956

18:20:01 ozbot: Russian Officials Fire Back at Olympic Critics - WSJ.com

18:20:37 ThickAsThieves: The Iron Shower Curtain

18:21:10 nubbins`: HAHAHAH

18:21:19 Duffer1: instantrimshot.com

18:23:17 benkay: http://www.coindesk.com/tea-merchant-coinbase-alternative-litecoin-processing/

18:23:22 benkay: so basically it should be trivial for anyone to accept any altcoin

18:23:47 benkay: but running a full satoshi client for each chain is a little, ah, shall we say wasteful.

18:26:37 ThickAsThieves: dammit I need to get this Altcoin source going

18:27:09 benkay: what's the Altcoin magic value?

18:27:16 nubbins`: over 9000

18:27:27 benkay: also i know this is an oldlink but it still delivars chuckles: http://kimitsuassetmanagement.com/

18:27:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 816 @ 0.003065 = 2.501 BTC [-]

18:27:55 nubbins`: so, anyone buying rentalstarter tomorrow?

18:27:57 ThickAsThieves: i think it has been between .00000300 and .00000100btc so far

18:28:45 benkay: ThickAsThieves: the "magic value" is a header in the protocol that identifies which network a client is a part of

18:29:10 ThickAsThieves: and what a client network?

18:29:12 ThickAsThieves: is

18:29:31 Duffer1: nubbins' if i had anything left - no i wouldn't

18:29:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.13 BTC [-]

18:29:40 benkay: in this case network referring to the network of nodes broadcasting and verifying transactions

18:29:50 ThickAsThieves: is the same question as "do you have a dump of the genesis block?"

18:29:54 benkay: a client being the Satoshi implementation or bitcoinj or multibit w/e

18:29:55 benkay: no.

18:30:10 Duffer1: i like almost everything about it but I'm sure btc itself will do significantly better

18:30:32 ThickAsThieves: well it was made from coingen.io

18:30:38 benkay: magic value is a part of a header sent between nodes. genesis block is the root of the merkle tree.

18:30:42 ThickAsThieves: and i can get source for other coins made by them

18:31:09 benkay: if you had the source for alt you could ack "magic" and find it pretty quickly

18:31:40 ThickAsThieves: for my alt, or any alt made the from same codebase?

18:31:59 ThickAsThieves: my issue is the source code doesnt exist anymore

18:32:27 ThickAsThieves: and i am waiting on coingen to make an identical one so we can reverse create source for the orginal

18:32:34 nubbins`: Duffer1, +1

18:32:43 nubbins`: i don't see rental properties outperforming btc

18:32:44 ThickAsThieves: yes, my comprehension of the details you describe is pretty low

18:33:08 benkay: ah well i'm giving the wrong instructions anyways. it's a bit obfuscated: https://github.com/dogecoin/dogecoin/blob/master-1.5/src/main.cpp#L3141

18:33:09 ThickAsThieves: but i am willing to pay to get this solved so i can then pay to have pools made or whaver

18:33:18 ThickAsThieves: get it listed on exchanges

18:33:19 ThickAsThieves: etc

18:34:14 benkay: it'll be interesting to see if clients built from the regenerated source code will be able to talk to clients in the wild

18:34:27 nubbins`: what are you gonna do when people start actually wasting/losing money on atc?

18:34:38 benkay: cash out, obviously.

18:34:43 ThickAsThieves: i dont even own any

18:34:55 nubbins`: doesn't matter

18:35:14 nubbins`: people are going to take it seriously and they're going to lose money

18:35:22 nubbins`: and you're enabling that

18:35:39 ThickAsThieves: ...

18:36:02 Duffer1: he's not wrong there TaT hehe

18:36:11 nubbins`: i know it's a big lel, but you should kill this before it grows legs

18:36:12 ThickAsThieves: i'm not sure he's right either

18:36:21 benkay: yeah but that's the "kids are going to hurt themselves with guns" argument

18:36:34 ThickAsThieves: also who's to say?

18:36:37 benkay: teach some firearm use, let the idiots die.

18:36:42 ThickAsThieves: maybe it really does kill all the other alts

18:36:52 pankkake: lol, the coinget coin I took the source from even has the same port number

18:36:55 pankkake: coingen

18:37:05 nubbins`: maybe it really does, yep

18:37:08 benkay: why would you change the port number?

18:37:21 mike_c: yeah, where's the hate for bernankoin? as long as he doesn't pump/dump, what's the crime?

18:37:22 pankkake: because it's anothe coin

18:37:25 benkay: also the n-coin game will go forever

18:37:44 pankkake: mike_c: there's no hate for bernankoin

18:37:59 pankkake: it's *impossible* to premine anyway!

18:38:03 ThickAsThieves: nubbins ive decided your argument is not sound

18:38:11 ThickAsThieves: you had me worried

18:38:14 ThickAsThieves: but no

18:38:36 nubbins`: you've decided that the guy selling apples w/ razors to creepy old men is not at fault, because he's not the one handing them out to kids?

18:38:50 mike_c: i guess nobody will lose money on bernankoin cuz you can always just print more to keep people from losing money

18:38:59 nubbins`: "lel pre-razored apples, what a riot!"

18:38:59 Duffer1: lol

18:39:13 nubbins`: and we all have a chuckle and a kid slices his neck open

18:39:17 pankkake: well anyone printing it for more than a few hours is a fool

18:39:18 ThickAsThieves: in a world where there can be any number of alts, all on same codebase, no one alt is better than the other

18:39:19 nubbins`: but hey, fuck him, he shoulda checked!

18:39:33 ThickAsThieves: that includes bitcoin really

18:40:04 nubbins`: alts have two purposes: to experiment with ideas and to have a lel/run a scam

18:40:10 ThickAsThieves: says who

18:40:13 asciilifeform: eventually, mining breakthrough, and people will regret having undermined the whole concept of blockchain by having a swarm of little chains

18:40:13 mike_c: that's three purposes

18:40:13 nubbins`: says me

18:40:22 nubbins`: mike_c: the lel/scam is the same thing

18:40:53 asciilifeform: 'fail to hang together, and you will hang separately'

18:41:28 ThickAsThieves: mining breakthrough?

18:41:49 asciilifeform: hypothetically.

18:42:34 ThickAsThieves: but really, what makes bitcoin better than an altcoin other than its adoption level?

18:42:39 ThickAsThieves: it's all the same shit

18:43:22 nubbins`: one's real and the other is for fleecing rubes, that's what

18:43:27 asciilifeform: entirely ignoring the 'features' (many vs. few coins, frequents vs. rare blocks, etc) and premining,

18:43:33 asciilifeform: the difference is: who has it.

18:43:38 nubbins`: if you're fine with rubes being fleeced, then there's no difference, no

18:43:48 asciilifeform: every cryptocoin can be seen as an attempt to 'replay the history of money'

18:43:53 asciilifeform: with (optionally) different winners.

18:43:57 nubbins`: ^

18:44:03 asciilifeform: much depends on who these winners are.

18:44:19 mike_c: there is a difference between selling real estate in florida that is secretly swampland, and openly selling swamps.

18:44:33 ThickAsThieves: and it's impossible to have two coins coexist and be healthy?

18:44:45 asciilifeform: hard to sell swamp to people who understand what a swamp is.

18:44:59 mike_c: right, which is why you haven't bought any ATC

18:45:01 nubbins`: it's impossible for a rubecoin to be healthy, yes

18:45:06 ThickAsThieves: is it impossible an altcoin will become the winner over bitcoin?

18:45:26 asciilifeform: it isn't impossible. we live in a world with ms-winblows, for example.

18:45:28 nubbins`: let's be clear, your experiment isn't intended to become a winner over bitcoin

18:45:31 asciilifeform: there are many such 'winners'.

18:45:39 nubbins`: it's intended to have a chuckle

18:45:40 benkay: even if there is a mining breakthrough, the compute deployed against alts couldn't save bitcoin...

18:45:43 nubbins`: but the funny thing about intentions...

18:45:47 ThickAsThieves: says you

18:46:03 nubbins`: says me, yes

18:46:15 nubbins`: says you, as well

18:46:21 ThickAsThieves: no actually

18:46:26 ThickAsThieves: says the miners

18:46:33 ThickAsThieves: thats all really

18:46:42 TomServo: ThickAsThieves: You saying you don't own any and won't mine any doesn't preclude that?

18:46:58 ThickAsThieves: preclude what

18:47:08 TomServo: It winning over btc

18:47:19 ThickAsThieves: what i say doesnt mean much

18:47:47 nubbins`: that's becoming clear ;D

18:47:55 ThickAsThieves: seriously

18:47:58 ThickAsThieves: i know i fuck around

18:48:04 nubbins`: i do too

18:48:08 nubbins`: the suckers being suckered don't

18:48:23 ThickAsThieves: but you guys arent giving real arguments here

18:48:30 ThickAsThieves: you act like i'm inventing altcoins

18:48:36 asciilifeform: whether a particular alt is 'trying to win over btc' can be determined by looking at what it is being traded for.

18:48:36 Duffer1: it's a subjective moral argument

18:48:43 asciilifeform: if it is being parcelled out in exchange for btc...

18:48:53 asciilifeform: then it is clear which coin the author regards as genuine and having a future.

18:49:04 Duffer1: based entirely on what you believe is moral or amoral

18:49:17 nubbins`: duffer, it boils down to this, yes

18:49:25 nubbins`: promoting a lelcoin as being serious is amoral

18:49:28 nubbins`: in my view

18:49:30 ThickAsThieves: what if the other just wants to do create the thing to see what happens

18:49:32 nubbins`: others disagree

18:49:45 asciilifeform: would you happily part with gold, for instance, if you believe that 'gold standard' will make a comeback?

18:49:47 Mats_cd03: so what was the size of the mpex whale fee

18:49:49 nubbins`: what if i just want to stuff a cigarette with match heads to see what happens?

18:49:52 mike_c: nubbins`: do you think it was immoral to flip houses during the housing bubble?

18:49:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.11900001 BTC [-]

18:50:08 ThickAsThieves: so far its mostly been an expression for me, some luls sure, but kinda performance art

18:50:33 ThickAsThieves: i havent even pondered what my investment strategy might be for it

18:50:35 ThickAsThieves: i dont care

18:50:39 ThickAsThieves: maybe i buy some

18:50:43 ThickAsThieves: maybe i dont

18:50:51 nubbins`: mike_c, there was a housing bubble? ;p

18:51:19 nubbins`: i think it's immoral to sell a cardboard box painted up like a house to a new family

18:51:30 ThickAsThieves: thats not what this is

18:51:39 nubbins`: bernankoin, you read the spec and have a lel

18:51:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.119 BTC [-]

18:52:05 nubbins`: dogecoin, you see people actually losing things of value

18:52:30 nubbins`: intentions don't matter, what people do with the thing you've made does matter

18:53:07 mike_c: bah. and bitcoin is to blame for assasinationmarket

18:53:09 benkay: is running a gambling house a moral operation, nubbins`?

18:53:15 nubbins`: benkay, no

18:53:45 nubbins`: mike_c: assassinations are purchased with or without bitcoin

18:53:58 nubbins`: rubes losing money on ATC doesn't happen without ATC

18:54:11 mike_c: of course it does.

18:54:25 mike_c: that money is lost simply by rubes having it.

18:54:49 ThickAsThieves: you cant die from frostbite while bathing in lava either

18:54:55 asciilifeform: 'if i hadn't picked his pocket, some other fellow would've.'

18:55:01 nubbins`: ^

18:55:15 ThickAsThieves: except i'm not picking pockets

18:55:17 nubbins`: nice rationalization, isn't it

18:55:23 nubbins`: no, you're just selling tongs

18:55:27 ThickAsThieves: no

18:55:30 nubbins`: yyyep

18:55:34 ThickAsThieves: i'm selling streets

18:55:46 nubbins`: streets serve a useful purpose

18:55:49 ThickAsThieves: maybe people get robbed on them

18:55:53 ThickAsThieves: so does currency

18:56:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18450 @ 0.00085735 = 15.8181 BTC [-] {2}

18:56:07 ThickAsThieves: maybe people build businesses on them

18:56:12 Duffer1: this argument is why i never made Hodorcoin, in the end, someone was going to lose money on it

18:56:20 nubbins`: if you can justify it to yourself, there's not much i can do to convince you otherwise

18:56:26 nubbins`: just wanted to offer a perspective

18:56:34 mike_c: i lost money on mpex once. mp is a scammor.

18:56:38 benkay: everything is a scam

18:56:43 ThickAsThieves: i can say i dont want to hurt anyone

18:56:51 ThickAsThieves: surely

18:57:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35005 @ 0.00085841 = 30.0486 BTC [+] {2}

18:57:06 ThickAsThieves: but i cant say that i wont sell knives

18:57:06 nubbins`: sure, and you can offer perpetual mining turds that anyone with a brain would know is a bad purchase

18:57:44 asciilifeform: take classic btc. it was a net gain in wealth, rather than simply a machine from moving money from one pocket to another, because it made new things possible. what new things does the altcoin-of-the-day make possible?

18:57:53 nubbins`: but you can't say that you're not intentionally fleecing rubes

18:58:10 asciilifeform: 'my ferrari' is one answer. but not an answer that will satisfy skeptics.

18:58:16 ThickAsThieves: well if we go buy the Altcoin's mission it's purpose is to get everyone to stop mining every other altcoin

18:58:31 ThickAsThieves: would you count marginal success in that as a good thing?

18:58:33 kakobrekla: allowing for txes when 1mb limit is being hit for one but thats where it ends

18:58:55 nubbins`: would you count getting people off heroin and into crack as a good thing?

18:59:12 jborkl: not to the dealers

18:59:19 ThickAsThieves: i dont think that's a proper comparison

18:59:27 asciilifeform: this is more like getting all of the addicts to buy from one large dealer instead of quitting

18:59:33 nubbins`: sure it is, they're trading one terrible choice for another

18:59:49 mike_c: if you accept the axiom that any coin besides bitcoin has no value.

18:59:52 ThickAsThieves: the problem is you are making assumptions that are false

18:59:57 Mats_cd03: Some people just lack enough empathy

19:00:05 nubbins`: do tell!

19:00:07 asciilifeform: just asking the question of where the added value is.

19:00:11 asciilifeform: it's a legitimate question.

19:00:14 ThickAsThieves: you assume all altcoins are a loss/waste

19:00:19 ThickAsThieves: i do not

19:00:23 nubbins`: i don't assume that

19:00:31 nubbins`: altcoins are a great way to test out new concepts

19:00:42 asciilifeform: if there's added value ('i've an nsa-resistant work-function, here, look') we're all ears.

19:00:47 nubbins`: but a big machine that spits out slightly tweaked alts isn't

19:01:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.003078 = 1.539 BTC [+]

19:01:10 ThickAsThieves: again i think this is a false assumption as well, alts needing new concepts

19:01:23 nubbins`: nobody's saying you NEED to test new concepts

19:01:31 ThickAsThieves: no,

19:01:37 TomServo: ThickAsThieves: is it a "preformance piece" or "maybe a viable altcoin, we'll see"?

19:01:38 asciilifeform: then your real proposition is 'i ought to be Satoshi and will use the powers for Good'

19:01:39 nubbins`: just that there's the potential for learning, growth, new thought processes, etc

19:01:42 ThickAsThieves: you are saying the NEED is required for value to exist

19:01:56 ThickAsThieves: it;s not a fact

19:02:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.11833333 = 0.355 BTC [-] {2}

19:02:52 ThickAsThieves: there are no powers i get or use

19:03:43 asciilifeform: 'a) repaint your black car. it should be blue. b) why should i ? a) blue is just as good as black b) wtf a) here, i'll sell you some paint b) what's the value to me a) it doesn't need added value, blue is better '

19:04:00 denlove: I wish I had someone send bitcoin to please. 16ZdMuyrVuuupSjVZyPmBWwjHsbcweKGUk

19:04:09 nubbins`: denlove, eat a bag of dicks

19:04:11 ThickAsThieves: blue is different

19:04:15 ThickAsThieves: doesnt need to be better

19:04:20 kakobrekla: I wish blowjob and icecream

19:04:29 nubbins`: you're trying to rationalize your lelcoin right now, in this conversation

19:04:36 asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: good luck with the chump harvesting.

19:04:39 nubbins`: ^

19:05:06 ThickAsThieves: seriously, you cant definitively win one argument and now i'm a shill

19:05:21 nubbins`: what's with "winning" "arguments"?

19:05:26 TomServo: TomServo | ThickAsThieves: is it a "preformance piece" or "maybe a viable altcoin, we'll see"?

19:05:39 ThickAsThieves: i dont know

19:05:47 ThickAsThieves: it just is

19:05:50 asciilifeform: the trouble with chump harvesting, morals aside, is that there is always a new, slicker chump-harvesting artist coming to town.

19:06:00 asciilifeform: whose 'no added value needed' proposition is 'just as good' as yours

19:06:02 asciilifeform: but new/exciting.

19:06:10 mike_c: that's not trouble if he's not trying to harvest chumps

19:06:10 nubbins`: so value, many excite

19:06:10 ThickAsThieves: so

19:06:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 150 @ 0.003078 = 0.4617 BTC [+]

19:06:25 ThickAsThieves: let them compete, idc

19:06:27 asciilifeform: live by the chumps, die by the chumps. who are fickle.

19:06:35 ThickAsThieves: its nothing to do with chumping people

19:06:37 nubbins`: let them eat cake!

19:07:11 ThickAsThieves: there will be wealth in more coins than bitcoin, for as long as this paradigm can even exist

19:07:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25070 @ 0.00085996 = 21.5592 BTC [+] {3}


19:07:37 pankkake: well, I'm stuck :(

19:08:00 ThickAsThieves: your arguments live in some imaginary ending where only bitcoin is left

19:08:02 asciilifeform: the other thing, your alt may be 'honest', but plenty are not. say, quite soon governments will begin herding people (through guile or force) into national altcoins.

19:08:04 asciilifeform: with central control.

19:08:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1289 BTC [+]

19:08:15 asciilifeform: the proliferation of chumpcoins sets the stage for this

19:08:19 asciilifeform: by destroying the Schelling point.

19:08:33 ThickAsThieves: so

19:08:36 asciilifeform: 'divide & conquer'

19:08:38 Duffer1: interesting proposition

19:08:40 ThickAsThieves: you cant stop it if thats the path

19:08:50 ThickAsThieves: and it certainly wont be because i made Altcoin

19:08:55 pankkake: it's pchMessageStart, but I'm not sure how to reverse-engineer it

19:09:08 asciilifeform: 'no drop of water believes that it is to blame for the flood' etc.

19:09:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21450 @ 0.00086492 = 18.5525 BTC [+]

19:09:22 ThickAsThieves: lol

19:10:05 ThickAsThieves: altcoins are seeking their place, itll always be dynamic, but they will have a place

19:10:11 ThickAsThieves: it's our reality

19:10:15 ThickAsThieves: you cant will it away

19:10:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28800 @ 0.00086998 = 25.0554 BTC [+] {2}

19:10:32 Duffer1: lets put aside the moralizing and focus on the likely outcome of the experiment

19:10:44 mike_c: imagine a grid with 100 tiny squares and 1 enormous square. Add as many tiny squares as you want, the Schelling point remains.

19:10:44 Rick_: mircea is here?

19:11:09 asciilifeform: Duffer1: we already know the outcome. that's what makes it a distinctly disappointing experiment.

19:11:11 Duffer1: paging mircea_popescu , mircea_popescu to the desk please

19:11:28 ThickAsThieves: oh you do?

19:11:33 ThickAsThieves: intersting

19:11:34 ThickAsThieves: e

19:11:51 Duffer1: i believe that is the likely outcome as well ascii

19:12:04 asciilifeform: somewhere in russia, a drunk is unzipping, preparing to piss in an apartment lobby. you prod him, he answers 'drunks will always piss in lobbies. you can't just will it away.'

19:12:07 Duffer1: getting from here to there would probably be very interesting though

19:12:21 pankkake: does anyone here know basic C? how do I print, say, 0x0b? I want it to be 0x0b on the screen, or similar

19:12:27 asciilifeform: 'besides it already stinks'

19:12:54 ThickAsThieves: no, you are trying to say pissing shouldnt happen at all

19:13:03 asciilifeform: pankkake: printf("%x", foo)

19:13:09 ThickAsThieves: or that there is only one place to piss

19:13:11 ThickAsThieves: i dunno

19:13:13 pankkake: thanks, this is also what I found :)

19:13:36 pankkake: I need to find something interesting to write in C

19:13:39 asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: merely that the world would stink less if people could agree to piss in toilets, or the woods, but not apartment lobby.

19:13:41 nubbins`: what he's saying is piss in the fucking toilet

19:13:49 nubbins`: not in people's faces

19:13:58 ThickAsThieves: by that argument why do we allow more than one fiat?

19:14:25 ThickAsThieves: why hasnt that been cleaned up?

19:14:31 ThickAsThieves: didnt require bitcoin to do so

19:14:32 asciilifeform: for the same reason that a town has more than one burglar

19:14:54 ThickAsThieves: you really see it that way?

19:15:25 asciilifeform: very basic game theory.

19:15:33 mike_c: pankkake: take something slow in one of your python programs and write a C module for it

19:16:30 ThickAsThieves: and what of this grand plan to make a better coingen.io?

19:16:38 ThickAsThieves: mircea is scammer too?

19:17:04 nubbins`: "a better"

19:17:11 nubbins`: atc = "a better" alt?

19:17:22 jurov: pankkake: rewrite pympex (but dunno if there's portable gpg C library)

19:17:30 nubbins`: PMTs = "a better" way to invest?

19:17:50 pankkake: I doubt the performance issues of pympex are in the Python code ;)

19:17:50 ThickAsThieves: amazing

19:17:50 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

19:18:10 ThickAsThieves: so enabling the more efficient creation of Altcoins is moral, but making one is not

19:18:10 jurov: i had in mind portability issues

19:18:34 nubbins`: nobody's saying that

19:18:49 pankkake: there are many gpg python libs, which all suck in a different way

19:18:59 ThickAsThieves: so it's just a fleecing of rubes plan of mp's?

19:19:10 nubbins`: nobody's saying that either

19:19:13 jurov: pankkake: yep, even some forks with same name

19:19:34 nubbins`: making a new compiler != creating exploits

19:19:39 asciilifeform: ignoring morality entirely. if you'd like to live in a future where crypto-coins are a useful thing, vs. a fogotten fad, think twice about cranking out spamcoins.

19:19:42 pankkake: in the end, for what I wanted to do, I ended up calling gpg directly

19:19:55 nubbins`: signal-to-noise-ratiocoin

19:20:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 900 @ 0.00307922 = 2.7713 BTC [+] {2}

19:20:53 benkay: asciilifeform: would you elaborate on how cranking out altcoins will do *anything* to bitcoin?

19:21:19 mike_c: pankkake: curious what you were trying to do that was not working with the python gpg lib?

19:21:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 750 @ 0.0030798 = 2.3099 BTC [+]

19:21:36 asciilifeform: benkay: one of the big strengths of classic btc is that it is a schelling point.

19:22:44 asciilifeform: now every idiot wants 'his own' blockchain. and soon, every government, with master keys baked in, naturally

19:22:49 pankkake: it's wasn't really about working, but I didn't want to add a dependency for nothing

19:22:58 mike_c: ah

19:23:01 pankkake: in the end most of the feature is calling gpgv

19:23:04 asciilifeform: in the latter, fiat infusions will make these boobycoins appear to be (temporarily) valuable

19:23:07 asciilifeform: and chumps will flock to them.

19:23:10 pankkake: which is also portable :)

19:23:26 asciilifeform: getting used to central control, pre-mining by national mints, and all of the traditional joys of fiat.

19:24:17 asciilifeform: 'embrace and extinguish.'

19:24:25 mike_c: i think you are vastly overestimating public knowledge of even the existence of altcoins

19:25:04 ThickAsThieves: I think you have limited the possible futures too much

19:25:28 Duffer1: Max Keiser ‏@maxkeiser 17m

19:25:29 Duffer1: #maxcoin mining and buying panic is building... all system look good to go. @maxcoinproject

19:25:31 Duffer1: >.<

19:25:41 nubbins`: ^

19:25:43 asciilifeform: naturally, people will shit out alts. nothing i can say here would put the slightest dent in it. just as they will continue to throw cigarette butts from cars.

19:25:46 nubbins`: replace max with alt

19:25:54 asciilifeform: every cig thrower is king of his own universe for a few seconds

19:25:57 asciilifeform: just like the alt author.

19:25:58 nubbins`: ^

19:26:20 mike_c: i like that analogy. so TaT threw a cig butt on the ground. who cares?

19:26:30 ThickAsThieves: the burning forest!

19:26:32 kakobrekla: green peace

19:26:48 pankkake: fucking fuck, now it connects, but every block is an orphan to it…

19:26:50 nubbins`: mike_c: yeah, who cares! we can do this forever!

19:27:07 mike_c: yes, we can. the world has not yet crumbled from tossed cig butts.

19:27:11 nubbins`: fuck everything, it's the road's fault for being there

19:27:21 nubbins`: "not yet"

19:27:27 nubbins`: you've got that part right, at least

19:27:43 nubbins`: "it hasn't happened yet!"

19:27:48 nubbins`: ergo, it never will!

19:28:06 ThickAsThieves: again a bad analogy

19:28:10 nubbins`: when can we expect mike_ccoin?

19:28:25 mike_c: never, i own one ATC. hence my position :)

19:28:29 asciilifeform: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=359_1336476686

19:28:30 ozbot: LiveLeak.com - WELCOME TO SHIT BEACH

19:28:46 asciilifeform: life in garbage world, sans cleanup crews.

19:29:08 benkay: but "good money drives out bad", asciilifeform. every local government can print their own fiat, demand taxes in their own shitcoin, and all of the wealth will stay in bitcoin.

19:29:23 nubbins`: "so what if we're helping turn cryptocurrency into a digital liberia"

19:29:43 nubbins`: "fuck the signal, here's some more noise"

19:29:57 asciilifeform: the question we're about to learn the answer to is close to: 'does the average person actually appreciate toilets and garbage trucks? or would be be just as happy using his local beach?'

19:29:57 mike_c: this is like imagining that the btctalk retardation will hurt bitcoin.

19:30:20 benkay: there is only noise in the universe. moments of signal are rare and unusual and vanish rapidly. thermodynamics at work.

19:30:40 nubbins`: benkay, that's about two steps from "what IS reality?"

19:30:46 mike_c: but he threw his butt in the toilet. it was announced on btctalk.

19:30:46 kakobrekla: everything is locel on the net

19:30:59 kakobrekla: local

19:31:11 benkay: not hardly. it's more along the lines of "seeing clearly in the fog is difficult", nubbins`. not "everything is foggy so fuck it".

19:31:29 nubbins`: mike_c, ah, the toilet? that's okay, then

19:31:36 nubbins`: once you flush things down the toilet, they're gone

19:31:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 545 @ 0.0031181 = 1.6994 BTC [+] {3}

19:31:39 ThickAsThieves: Maybe, I make Altcoin, it does pretty good, then something goes bad and people lose a bunch of money. Then I admit you guys were right. The guilt eats my soul til I realize I must now design the best coin ever. I do, and it kills bitcoin, and the world basks in a new dawn of finance. I load up IRC "sup fuckers, good thing I made Altcoin!"

19:31:42 benkay: just because the signal is loud and clear today is not a reason why it should remain that way.

19:31:53 nubbins`: "well, the tanker was leaking oil something fierce, so we towed it outside the environment"

19:32:01 nubbins`: "into another environment?"

19:32:07 nubbins`: "no, OUT of the environment"

19:32:14 mike_c: ok, i give up. let's debate abortion and gun control instead.

19:32:45 kakobrekla: kill fetuses with guns!

19:32:49 nubbins`: ThickAsThieves: ...

19:32:53 ThickAsThieves: :)

19:32:59 asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: i, for one, had no notion of convincing you that bamboozling people is wrong. only that you are ultimately burning your own furniture for heat.

19:33:10 mike_c: they aren't fetuses they are human beings. murderer.

19:33:30 kakobrekla: no, guns kill people, not people. not a murderer

19:33:40 pankkake: to make a "successful" altcoin nowadays you need more than releasing it

19:33:43 asciilifeform: right now, alt enthusiasts are shitting on a relatively clean beach.

19:33:55 Duffer1: when i argue against something, i take the time later to try to argue for it, i can't think of any arguments for altcoin atm (but that could very likely be user error) hehe

19:34:03 ThickAsThieves: asciilifeform, you are likely right, but it is already shaping up to be an interesting excercise

19:34:04 asciilifeform: they happily take their btc earnings from selling the alts and enjoy the valuable, relatively-stable coin.

19:34:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 96 @ 0.00312 = 0.2995 BTC [+]

19:34:59 nubbins`: "can we trust this ThickAsThieves fellow?" "of course you can trust me, neobee, AM, etc" "but what about the perpetual mining turd and the altcoin thing?" "no no no, those were just a lel"

19:35:17 nubbins`: ^ this is the other side of it

19:35:32 kakobrekla: someone has to be on the other side of the sell asciilifeform

19:35:40 jborkl: so what did I miss about GOX? just read a article that bitcoin withdraws are not working now? (not that I use them anymore)

19:35:46 nubbins`: you asked me if mp was running a scam by making a better coingen. i ask you if there's a mirceacoin

19:35:49 asciilifeform: nubbins`: 'Bob the Bridge Builder.'

19:35:57 nubbins`: wait, the same bob who sucks dicks?

19:36:02 nubbins`: i've heard of him

19:36:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 99 @ 0.0030795 = 0.3049 BTC [-]

19:36:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76373 @ 0.00086841 = 66.3231 BTC [-]

19:36:50 ThickAsThieves: i do wish mircea was here, because even if i'm outright in the wrong, he'd at least be able to make that clear. i'm having real trouble with these arguments.

19:37:16 ThickAsThieves: and to comment on TAT.VM

19:37:21 asciilifeform: not sure even karl friedrich gauss could make this any more clear.

19:37:31 nubbins`: HEH

19:37:53 ThickAsThieves: First, I didn't really realize what would happen, and I really did not intend to harm. However, I do regret it.

19:38:14 nubbins`: ^ picture yourself saying this about ATC 6 months from now

19:38:14 benkay: it's fine

19:38:15 nubbins`: please

19:38:17 benkay: you've done nothing

19:38:19 ThickAsThieves: And that regret did have an affect on my latter movs.

19:38:22 asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: if this is true, it isn't too late to publicly repent and call the thing off.

19:38:34 ThickAsThieves: moves

19:38:34 asciilifeform: it would be a very educational act.

19:38:37 nubbins`: ^

19:38:40 benkay: how are you going to do that?

19:38:46 ThickAsThieves: i will not

19:38:55 asciilifeform: well, we tried.

19:39:00 ThickAsThieves: if it dies it will be due to my attention span more likely

19:39:05 nubbins`: SMH

19:39:12 jborkl: What are you doing anywy Tat, I missed that part

19:39:26 Duffer1: Altcoin jborkl

19:39:28 nubbins`: jborkl, helping scammers fleece rubes

19:39:33 nubbins`: or inventing the future of crypto

19:39:34 ThickAsThieves: in a meta moment i made a meta altcoin

19:39:37 nubbins`: we can't agree

19:39:38 mike_c: http://www.therealaltcoin.org/

19:39:39 ozbot: The Real Altcoin (ATC) - Never mine another altcoin again.

19:40:20 ThickAsThieves: look the slogan is also the disclaimer

19:40:23 ThickAsThieves: what more can i do

19:40:39 mike_c: btw, i disagree that an honestly run buisness that ends in failure is tarnishing to a reputation.

19:40:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1200 @ 0.003078 = 3.6936 BTC [-] {4}

19:41:02 ThickAsThieves: are you referring to TAT.VM?

19:41:15 asciilifeform: mike_c: if pump'n'dump is a type of honest business, i'd hate to see what a scam is now

19:41:23 mike_c: he's not pumping & dumping!

19:41:38 nubbins`: mike_c: you disagree that displaying a shocking lack of foresight is tarnishing to a reputation?

19:41:40 nubbins`: jesus

19:41:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 147 @ 0.003078 = 0.4525 BTC [-]

19:42:12 benkay: what is this shocking lack of foresight?

19:42:14 mike_c: a shocking lack of foresight? super harsh. a lot of entrepeneurs fail

19:42:23 nubbins`: benkay, mike_c: TAT.VM

19:42:41 nubbins`: [16:07:54] <ThickAsThieves> First, I didn't really realize what would happen, and I really did not intend to harm. However, I do regret it.

19:42:56 ThickAsThieves: i dont regret it as a failure

19:43:03 ThickAsThieves: i'm not sure i'd even call it a failure

19:43:08 nubbins`: maybe you could whip up a regretcoin, premine a bunch, and send them to the rubes who got fleeced

19:43:09 benkay: how was vm a failure?

19:43:23 asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: maybe i missed something... but where's the source code?

19:43:33 nubbins`: benkay: it wasn't a failure for TAT

19:43:35 ThickAsThieves: you missed something ;)

19:43:40 benkay: that's part and parcel of the story, asciilifeform. he didn't pay for the source.

19:43:43 nubbins`: mike_c was the one who mentioned failute

19:43:46 nubbins`: *failure

19:43:50 asciilifeform: who in his right mind would run this

19:43:54 ThickAsThieves: i regret that some people really did not understand what they were buying, despite utter transparency

19:44:05 asciilifeform: 7MB is room for all of the world's trojans, etc

19:44:10 nubbins`: do you regret that you really did not understand what you were selling?

19:44:10 ThickAsThieves: which wouldnt be so bad

19:44:18 benkay: nubbins`: it's a perpetual mining bond. pay btc now for a thing that becomes rapidly more useless.

19:44:26 ThickAsThieves: if it werent for the dramatic mining diff changes that came like 1 week after release

19:44:30 nubbins`: benkay: yes, that's correct

19:44:37 ThickAsThieves: i knew what i was selling

19:44:42 nubbins`: ooh

19:44:43 asciilifeform: pay for the source?

19:44:44 nubbins`: that's worse

19:44:46 ThickAsThieves: it was spelled out quite clearly

19:44:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12020001 BTC [-]

19:44:54 nubbins`: you knew you were selling overpriced turds?

19:44:54 benkay: it was crystal clear.

19:45:01 asciilifeform: as if it took more than ten minutes to grab a copy of bitcoind src and change the constants

19:45:15 mike_c: do you hate JD too? people have lost more on that then they will ever lose on atc.

19:45:24 nubbins`: [16:07:54] <ThickAsThieves> First, I didn't really realize what would happen

19:45:25 nubbins`: [16:14:38] <ThickAsThieves> i knew what i was selling

19:45:27 mike_c: and people don't "understand" volatility or EV

19:45:29 ThickAsThieves: am i a criminal for profiting off jurov when he did the opposite?

19:45:38 benkay: yes well this is the world in which we live, asciilifeform. people can't grep source and depend on web apps to make altcoins from them.

19:45:50 ThickAsThieves: i sold mining futures

19:45:55 nubbins`: i'm not saying you're a criminal, i'm saying you're hurting other people as well as yourself

19:46:06 ThickAsThieves: oh i did not hurt myself

19:46:06 asciilifeform: i changed my mind. we should all love Altcoin. anyone who runs a 7MB turd of unknown provenance deserves the lessons contained therein.

19:46:15 ThickAsThieves: i gained some very valuable experience

19:46:26 nubbins`: oh, you hurt yourself, even if you don't realize it yet

19:46:29 asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: i hope you stuffed some serious 0day strange in there.

19:46:40 ThickAsThieves: i didnt even make it

19:46:47 ThickAsThieves: bluematt did

19:47:03 nubbins`: "i didn't put the razor in the apple, i just gave it to the kid"

19:47:03 mike_c: now that they are making a mistake out of security ignorance instead of financial ignorance it's better :)

19:47:27 nubbins`: we're going to run out of soap if this hand-washing continues

19:47:35 mike_c: we're already out of soap boxes.

19:47:41 nubbins`: oh, zing

19:47:44 mike_c: hehe

19:47:58 nubbins`: luckily everyone's already standing on one

19:48:22 ThickAsThieves: consider also that tatvm enabled me to do every release after it

19:48:27 ThickAsThieves: xbond, neo

19:49:03 nubbins`: consider that pirate's scam enabled him to buy a bunch of blow

19:49:17 ThickAsThieves: so xbond was blow?

19:49:18 nubbins`: consider that tatvm has tainted everything you've done since

19:49:56 ThickAsThieves: and your integrity is flawless?

19:50:26 ThickAsThieves: so basically i hath been judged by nubbins long ago?

19:50:31 nubbins`: go dig up some dirt on me, i'll wait here

19:50:39 nubbins`: and basically, yep

19:50:48 ThickAsThieves: good to know i guess

19:51:07 nubbins`: good to know if you take something away from it

19:51:12 nubbins`: useless to know otherwise

19:53:33 Duffer1: i still <3 you TaT

19:54:30 Duffer1: another haiku!

19:54:55 TomServo: Well fascinating conversation, either way.

19:55:00 nubbins`: indeed

19:55:13 mike_c: roosevelt had something to say about this

19:55:37 nubbins`: mike_c: did he say "if your friends have to issue public warnings not to invest in things you create, you're probably a legit businessman with a future"?

19:55:38 TomServo: Something I think asciilifeform touched on, judging the merits of all cryptocurrencies... isn't hashrate pretty much the end-all-be-all?

19:56:10 mike_c: i don't think that was it

19:56:20 asciilifeform: TomServo: hash rate isn't all of it. lack of seigniorage is another.

19:56:31 nubbins`: mike_c: i'm terrible with quotes

19:57:01 mike_c: i have had friends start buisnesses that i would not invest in. that didn't make them scum.

19:57:08 TomServo: asciilifeform: Ah yes, with that being equal though?

19:57:26 mike_c: why do i keep misspelling business?

19:57:45 asciilifeform: there's a difference between 'use my thing. because it's better' and 'use my thing. it's better, really. and oh btw, if you buy in it will pay for my 1kg/day coke habit.'

19:58:02 ThickAsThieves: wtf

19:58:20 TomServo: I thought it was pretty interesting to see the LTC DOGE hashrate intersect, and then re-intersect and what those implications might be.

19:58:27 mike_c: yeah, tat is rolling in blow from atc.

19:59:20 asciilifeform: seigniorage is an actual problem. i personally know perfectly reasonable, intelligent people who won't go near btc because of Satoshi's coins.

19:59:26 kakobrekla: TomServo the implication is, people can get fooled more than once

20:02:42 nubbins`: good a time for a break as any

20:02:44 nubbins`: coffee!

20:04:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1282 BTC [+]

20:05:41 pankkake: I give up on making a source for Altcoin… I don't understand why it orphans the blocks

20:06:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 252 @ 0.00307 = 0.7736 BTC [+]

20:06:12 pankkake: the only thing I didn't chaneg is txNew.vin[0].scriptSig and I have no idea what it is, if it matters, and how to find its value

20:07:31 pankkake: OK maybe I can get it in the first transaction, which seems isn't me… weird

20:09:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.06999 = 0.14 BTC [-]

20:10:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40250 @ 0.00086847 = 34.9559 BTC [+] {2}

20:12:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.00084288 = 0.1686 BTC [+]

20:15:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24350 @ 0.00086705 = 21.1127 BTC [-]

20:15:47 nubbins`: bee bee el, pan-frying cod

20:15:53 pankkake: lol getrawtranscation doesn't work for the firt tx it seems

20:17:04 pankkake: meh, anyway I don't know what to do with it

20:17:13 pankkake: waste of time :(

20:18:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.0008429 = 0.1686 BTC [+]

20:23:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 240 @ 0.0008429 = 0.2023 BTC [+]

20:25:31 the20year: Tomorrow is the big day :D

20:26:07 Duffer1: just reopening trading or are you going for another round of financing?

20:26:15 Duffer1: have i asked that?

20:26:28 the20year: another round of funding via havelock

20:26:41 Duffer1: ah ok

20:36:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19950 @ 0.00086705 = 17.2976 BTC [-]

20:43:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+]

20:44:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 36 @ 0.00302808 = 0.109 BTC [-] {3}

20:44:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13450 @ 0.0008684 = 11.68 BTC [+] {2}

20:45:51 benkay: man fuck a gym. just keep free weights at your house and fuckin' use 'em.

20:46:38 TomServo: Dangit. I got pulled away.

20:47:24 nubbins`: benkay: i use the gym for the bikes in winter :)

20:47:28 TomServo: asciilifeform: I somehow mis-read seigniorage as sovereign, so derp on my part. But I see your point.

20:49:39 benkay: nubbins`: are you a cardio guy?

20:52:04 chipug: there's a parody keiser coin now?!

20:52:18 TomServo: Not sure it's a parody.

20:52:20 nubbins`: benkay: i'm a bike guy :D

20:53:04 nubbins`: too treacherous outside to ride in the winter tho, even with studded tires

20:53:43 benkay: i love bikes

20:54:20 benkay: http://www.bikeshopliquidators.com/p-34111-fat-cruiser.aspx?utm_source=GoogleShopping&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=AllProducts&gclid=CPOluJuxuLwCFZRsfgodezsAEg

20:54:21 ozbot: Fat Sand Fat Cruiser

20:54:45 benkay: ozbot is back!

20:54:47 benkay: .bait

20:54:49 ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/5f2ca2af7c83a53319e58c2b3a485969/tumblr_mnrtopuKyi1s8tt3vo1_250.gif

20:55:50 nubbins`: i see a bike around town sometimes with wheels like that

20:55:55 nubbins`: http://yro.slashdot.org/story/14/02/06/1534215/skinny-puppy-wants-compensation-for-music-used-in-us-interrogations

20:55:57 ozbot: Skinny Puppy Wants Compensation For Music Used in US Interrogations - Slashdot

20:56:07 TomServo: nubbins`: saw that, my sides.

20:56:08 nubbins`: ^ one of canada's greatest musical exports

20:56:22 nubbins`: five bucks says they used BRAP vols. 3/4

20:57:16 nubbins`: wow, ALL the comments so far are about the "new look" of /.

20:57:21 nubbins`: do they even internet?

20:57:36 TomServo: I know, it's crazy.

20:57:42 TomServo: Every story.

21:02:19 chipug: this https://twitter.com/MaxScheisse isn't a parody?!

21:03:11 nubbins`: ahahahah

21:03:14 nubbins`: lel @ name

21:03:44 benkay: dudes does anyone know where the initial peers are stored in the litecoin codebase?

21:03:59 TomServo: chipug: Oh, hadn't seen that. I thought you meant Max's actual coin.

21:04:21 chipug: TomServo: no i think this just popped up today in response to maxcoin

21:04:44 chipug: max keiser's twitter page gives me a headache

21:04:51 ThickAsThieves: I swear it wasn't me!

21:04:58 Duffer1: hehe

21:05:10 chipug: ThickAsThieves: ..... you suuuure??

21:05:12 chipug: lol

21:05:49 ThickAsThieves: :)

21:06:25 Duffer1: even odds it's someone from this chan

21:06:48 chipug: i love the banana

21:07:17 chipug: please put nipple tassles on him also!!

21:09:06 asciilifeform: from the circus:

21:09:07 asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2014/02/robert-hoffman-docs.pdf

21:09:24 ThickAsThieves: [16:06] <BlueMatt> sorry for the delay.....

21:09:24 ThickAsThieves: [16:07] <BlueMatt> anyway, the coin is gonna rebuild with a slightly different genesis block

21:09:24 ThickAsThieves: [16:07] <BlueMatt> the original download can be found at coingen.io/...../761afffd_orig.zip instead of 761afffd.zip

21:09:24 ThickAsThieves: [16:07] <BlueMatt> well, all you have to do is figure out the genesis block change

21:09:24 ThickAsThieves: [16:07] <BlueMatt> but, I dont have a way to readily do that

21:09:24 ThickAsThieves: [16:08] <ThickAsThieves> but the person that dumped the genblock can?

21:09:24 ThickAsThieves: [16:08] <BlueMatt> sure

21:10:32 ThickAsThieves: http://coingen.bluematt.me/build/761afffd_orig.zip would be the landing link

21:10:49 ThickAsThieves: in case you still have any fight left in you pankakke ^

21:11:58 pankkake: well, that won't really help me, as I only tried the genesis block change and other magic values, no renaming etc. before I was sure it worked

21:14:45 ThickAsThieves: maybe it was something bad about the source you worked from?

21:18:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.12820001 = 0.5128 BTC [+]

21:18:43 chipug: asciilifeform: what was that?

21:19:34 asciilifeform: chipug: trial of u.s. sailor. described in http://cryptome.org/2014/02/robert-hoffman.pdf

21:20:25 chipug: thanks

21:20:34 Namworld: It looks like Bitfinex just fixed the glitch and are back in business and everyone is happy or something.

21:20:45 Namworld: And that nothing was stolen =/

21:21:10 Namworld: Okay... I was expecting them to have long gone under.

21:21:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 303 @ 0.00300357 = 0.9101 BTC [-] {12}

21:22:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 623 @ 0.00309335 = 1.9272 BTC [+] {6}

21:22:57 Duffer1: or run with the money

21:23:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 376 @ 0.0031 = 1.1656 BTC [+] {2}

21:25:36 dexX7: there were coins stolen?

21:25:43 Apocalyptic: Namworld, they gonna slowly recover the stolen part with the fees and delay payouts if necessary imo

21:30:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00086788 = 9.9806 BTC [-]

21:31:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2000 @ 0.00312134 = 6.2427 BTC [+] {5}

21:32:31 nubbins`: making dinner, recipe calls for a lightly beaten egg

21:32:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 351 @ 0.00312699 = 1.0976 BTC [+]

21:32:40 nubbins`: so i announce "i like my women the way i like my eggs!!"

21:32:48 nubbins`: wife says "lightly beaten?!"

21:32:53 nubbins`: and i say "no, white"

21:33:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 36 @ 0.00312699 = 0.1126 BTC [+]

21:34:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.04999991 = 1.1 BTC [-] {2}

21:43:03 dub: poached, scrambled and scotch?

21:43:27 dub: fertilised?

21:43:29 TomServo: mmm. scotch.

21:43:51 TomServo: There's a Laphroaig in my near future.

21:44:02 nubbins`: lovely

21:44:20 nubbins`: the trick with these "the way i like my women" jokes is to fool people into assuming the wrong thing

21:44:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 15 @ 0.04070104 = 0.6105 BTC [-] {5}

21:46:32 nubbins`: i like my coffee the way i like my women!

21:46:35 nubbins`: "hot?"

21:46:45 nubbins`: "nope. strong, black, and slightly bitter"

21:50:43 pankkake: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-26059710 The company also reported a net loss of $645m

21:50:44 ozbot: BBC News - Shares in Twitter plummet after user growth slows

21:51:07 ThickAsThieves: just when i started using it!

21:53:24 dub: its coz I stopped using twitter

21:53:57 assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 349 @ 0.00172845 = 0.6032 BTC [-]

22:14:35 Rick_: any one can reach mircea?

22:16:13 Duffer1: anything we might be able to help you with?

22:16:41 Rick_: i withdrawed some btc

22:16:48 Rick_: but i cant reach him now

22:17:45 Duffer1: do you know how to send a PM?

22:18:02 Rick_: no

22:18:04 Rick_: how

22:18:38 Duffer1: <---double click his name, type stuff in the new window, he'll probably get back to you when he's around

22:18:49 dub: you could try emailing

22:18:50 Rick_: i used query,but he seems not there

22:19:22 Rick_: I emailed him yesterday,no reply yet

22:19:39 dub: withdrawals are not automatic in case you were wondering, usually processed daily iirc

22:19:47 Rick_: he is not here for last hours?

22:19:57 dub: ;;seen mircea_popescu

22:19:57 gribble: mircea_popescu was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 7 hours, 49 minutes, and 14 seconds ago: <mircea_popescu> but anyway. got shit to do so, later.

22:20:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14095 @ 0.00086853 = 12.2419 BTC [+]

22:20:25 Rick_: okay,thank you everyonw

22:20:30 Rick_: everyone

22:20:35 KRS-One: .bait

22:20:37 ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/a7bf585cc9d80896b61cdd4c2b7d03d0/tumblr_mrozsgPB1j1ri7ljko1_500.jpg

22:21:14 pankkake: nipplelicious

22:23:34 KRS-One: .bait

22:23:36 ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/dffac7160219b41f4b5d67ee3ca3f8cf/tumblr_mr9ck62xTC1qdhe8eo1_500.jpg

22:23:50 ThickAsThieves: pankakke, plz note pm, in case you missed it

22:23:58 pankkake: I saw it, I'm working

22:24:03 KRS-One: those are the kind of girls that when you see them wake up in the morning without the hair and makeup they look like hell

22:24:03 ThickAsThieves: cool cool

22:24:17 pankkake: actually it seems you were right, using the source from bluematt seems to WORK!!

22:24:25 ThickAsThieves: i jate being right

22:24:28 ThickAsThieves: hate

22:24:52 pankkake: some of the magic changed values I guessed were already changed, including the one I couldn't figure out

22:24:55 pankkake: and now it's syncing

22:25:28 ThickAsThieves: awesome

22:28:57 dub: Please be advised that BTC on MtGox are not fractional.

22:29:12 dub: we just don't have enough to cash erryone out

22:29:22 ThickAsThieves: but how will we send small transactions!

22:29:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00086853 = 5.9929 BTC [+]

22:29:37 ThickAsThieves: guess we'll have to use altcoins

22:30:01 dub: Im long doge

22:30:04 dub: in anticipation

22:31:17 benkay: in case your curious what kind of work i do, client number one just cut over and emerged from embargo

22:31:19 benkay: you're

22:31:24 benkay: http://plantlust.com

22:31:51 ThickAsThieves: you build carts?

22:32:03 dub: you fuck plants?

22:32:12 truffles: you're curious?

22:32:14 ThickAsThieves: well i'm vegan at least

22:32:19 truffles: oh no

22:32:43 benkay: we dragged the frontend kicking and screaming into 2014, dragged an ancient django application from 1.2 to 1.4, delivered myriad performance improvements totalling in excess of 10x across the whole stack, and implemented distributed work queues to decrease the risk of large data processing jobs

22:33:11 ThickAsThieves: it looks nice

22:33:32 mike_c: why 1.4 instead of 1.6?

22:33:41 ThickAsThieves: i wouldnt even feel scammed if i sent them money

22:34:16 ThickAsThieves: hmm it's not even a cart

22:34:19 benkay: the next development iteration is going to focus on putting a 'buy' button next to each plant, redesigning the remaining pages that look like they're from 2006, taking people's money when they do click buy and turning into a plant on their doorstep, using the 56+ nurseries the site owner already has relationships with for distributed development

22:34:20 ThickAsThieves: oops

22:34:30 ThickAsThieves: ah

22:34:40 KRS-One: fuck plants, they are boring.

22:34:43 benkay: distributed fulfillment

22:35:03 mike_c: boring is good. no scooping poop.

22:35:06 truffles: plants take work man

22:35:15 Duffer1: infinite scroll would be nice

22:35:43 benkay: 1.4 was necessary for some particular features, i forget what precisely. chose to not go all the way to 1.6 to mitigate risk.

22:35:47 benkay: oh yeah, did i mention the stack automation and rearchitecture?

22:36:15 Duffer1: it's a great looking sight though, i love the homepage

22:36:16 benkay: there was enough risk in this project that 1.6 made me uncomfortable and i stopped the upgrade at the release that bought us the features we needed.

22:36:42 truffles: they should have a subcategory "exotic plants"

22:36:44 benkay: thanks! the owner did the wires and we implemented it.

22:36:57 benkay: anyways, we have availability for other projects.

22:36:59 mike_c: i upgraded to 1.6 recently without many bumps. but i think i went from 1.4, so less risk

22:37:03 truffles: fruits*

22:39:38 ThickAsThieves: benkay, have you ever done anything in online education software

22:39:52 mike_c: bitcointalk is unusable. if only they had thousands of btc to improve the site with.

22:40:19 benkay: i've played with plenty.

22:40:43 benkay: is there something specific to the online education software domain that's not applicable to general webappery?

22:40:53 ThickAsThieves: nope

22:41:20 benkay: what are you curious about?

22:41:23 ThickAsThieves: just having a bad run with the team on it

22:41:32 ThickAsThieves: and the two before that

22:41:43 benkay: ouch

22:41:46 benkay: what's the stack?

22:41:55 ThickAsThieves: i'm pretty far removed from it now

22:42:00 ThickAsThieves: it's LAMP

22:42:00 truffles: http://plantlust.com/plants/solanum-muricatum/ wonder how this tastes , looks interesting

22:42:02 ozbot: Solanum muricatum | Pepino Dulce | Pear Melon | Sweet Cucumber| plant lust

22:42:06 ThickAsThieves: PHP

22:42:44 benkay: phpbrekla's your man for that

22:43:08 ThickAsThieves: he'd probly cry at this code

22:43:17 dub: I heard tux might be in the market

22:43:28 benkay: company line on php is "we're only interested in the project if the client is prepared to make a large investment in moving away from php"

22:43:49 benkay: that said we can always manage a project and assemble a team for the right price.

22:43:56 benkay: there is a php fee tho :(

22:44:12 ThickAsThieves: the investment, in my eyes, would be in a team that can be counted on and is proficient

22:44:23 ThickAsThieves: the PHP is incidental

22:44:32 pankkake: I used to be in a php shop, but we did pass twice on a project that was simply… impossible to comprehend

22:44:36 ThickAsThieves: of course cost determines all in the end

22:45:11 ThickAsThieves: they are finally installing the new version of the software onto a live server this week

22:45:15 ThickAsThieves: after like 18mos

22:45:42 benkay: ka yikes

22:45:57 benkay: first thing we typically do is set up infrastructure, CI and low-friction deploys.

22:45:57 ThickAsThieves: and I had bigger plans for it, so it needs ongoing work

22:46:02 jurov: https://www.quakenet.org/articles/102-press-release-irc-networks-under-systematic-attack-from-governments

22:46:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11844 @ 0.00086853 = 10.2869 BTC [+]

22:46:52 truffles: too free?

22:47:17 benkay: There is a clear need for governments to be able to hold internet users accountable for their actions if they are engaged in performing or supporting illegal activities.

22:47:19 benkay: my ass

22:47:42 truffles: end of irc?

22:47:42 benkay: there is a clear need for networks that route around governments.

22:48:10 dub: cracknet at it again

22:48:49 benkay: anyways, thanks for enduring my pitch, -assets.

22:48:58 truffles: http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/oct/08/april-jones-matthew-woods-jailed makes me think of this

22:49:00 ozbot: April Jones: Matthew Woods jailed over explicit Facebook comments | UK news | The Guardian

22:49:03 Duffer1: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-02-2014#476255

22:49:06 ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log

22:49:22 ThickAsThieves: benkay i was considering a business path of: 1. Implement and use it with this school, work out bugs, add anything obviously needed 2. Approach several clients in other training fields (Hazardous Goods Shipping for example) and offer hosted solutions, making the software cater to more industries 3. Convert to SaaS DIY Training Lesson Builder

22:50:06 ThickAsThieves: it's been a while since i looked into possible competition though

22:50:13 benkay: sounds like a great model

22:50:43 benkay: eh i wouldn't worry about competition. instead, focus on landing clients, making them happy and taking their money.

22:51:22 ThickAsThieves: well as things form i may hit you up for costing

22:52:59 dub: Duffer1: oh boy

22:53:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.0031191 = 0.3119 BTC [+] {2}

22:54:21 dub: wake up the philosoraptor

22:55:02 truffles: " we have contacted or been contacted by law enforcement agencies and provided our co-operation" but why :(

22:55:07 truffles: irc srs biz

22:55:29 ThickAsThieves: whats that truffles?

22:55:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 49 @ 0.0031 = 0.1519 BTC [-]

22:56:09 truffles: didnt know these networks would invovle law into matters with users

22:56:43 Duffer1: TaT it's from Jurov's link above

22:57:06 Duffer1: GCHQ ddosing irc

22:57:32 jayk: government?

22:57:42 jayk: yeah quakenet

22:57:45 jayk: lame

23:02:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10465 @ 0.00087194 = 9.1249 BTC [+]

23:07:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 132 @ 0.00084299 = 0.1113 BTC [+]

23:08:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00086976 = 7.6539 BTC [-] {2}

23:13:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 130 @ 0.00084299 = 0.1096 BTC [+]

23:14:29 pankkake: [2014-02-07 00:11:21] Network difficulty changed to 62.7k (449.0Gh/s)

23:14:51 pankkake: I guess I should still be able to find blocks solo

23:17:12 dub: doge?

23:17:28 pankkake: Altcoin

23:21:09 KRS-One: U guys ready for teh pump

23:21:38 KRS-One: lol@sturles

23:24:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 36 @ 0.00301007 = 0.1084 BTC [-] {2}

23:24:50 ThickAsThieves: sourcecodez! https://github.com/therealaltcoin/altcoin

23:25:16 ThickAsThieves: someone plz confirm i github'd that right

23:25:21 ThickAsThieves: i'm a newb

23:25:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 289 @ 0.00300075 = 0.8672 BTC [-] {3}

23:26:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.0030003 = 3.0003 BTC [-]

23:26:35 pankkake: that works

23:26:42 ThickAsThieves: cool

23:33:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00311964 = 0.1248 BTC [+]

23:37:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13900 @ 0.00086813 = 12.067 BTC [-]

23:44:40 dub: need to make another build box

23:45:20 dub: can't play with the other kids

23:47:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18150 @ 0.00086782 = 15.7509 BTC [-] {2}