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00:00:37 mircea_popescu: in other news : i've had your resume read by my hr, and that woman has read probably 15k by now.

00:00:45 mircea_popescu: "this is, without a doubt, the worst resume i have ever seen."

00:08:02 danielpbarron: ok.. i have a bitcoind binary file that i did myself! :D

00:08:30 danielpbarron: time for dinner.

00:09:59 mircea_popescu: wd!

00:10:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46627 @ 0.0003903 = 18.1985 BTC [-]

00:15:49 mircea_popescu: !up kanzure

00:15:55 kanzure: hello

00:15:56 mircea_popescu: hey, what does it say ?

00:16:23 kanzure: Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: %d. This may take a few moments.\n Could not find your key. Check if your key is available on keyservers and try later.

00:16:42 mircea_popescu: %d srsly ?

00:16:58 kanzure: well i was going to write %f but then i realized i value my life

00:17:18 mircea_popescu: lol

00:18:01 mircea_popescu: it'd help if i could actually check it ?

00:18:17 kanzure: http://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x984F10CC77169FD2

00:18:18 assbot: Public Key Server -- Get ``0x984f10cc77169fd2 '' ... ( http://bit.ly/1D3haAu )

00:18:36 kanzure: http://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x984F10CC77169FD2

00:18:37 assbot: Search results for '0x984f10cc77169fd2' ... ( http://bit.ly/1D3h9g3 )

00:19:18 kanzure: also, do you have any hints for how i can make the incentives paper more lolworthy?

00:19:48 mircea_popescu: wait it was a loleffort ?

00:19:56 mircea_popescu: i was totally boggled because wtf is this.

00:20:07 kanzure: hard to explain

00:20:14 kanzure: i was trying to do both sort of

00:20:22 kanzure: like, it is completely ridiculous that such a document is required

00:20:24 kanzure: however... it's required.

00:20:31 mircea_popescu: !register <full_gpg_keyid> << are youdoing the full thing ?

00:20:31 assbot: Nick mircea_popescu is already taken.

00:20:46 mircea_popescu: who can possibly require it ?

00:21:11 kanzure: no i mean it's required in the sense that apparently some of those issues are non-obvious to others

00:22:29 kanzure: quite literally some do not think that nodes can be malicious

00:22:39 mircea_popescu: <assbot> Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452. This may take a few moments.

00:22:39 mircea_popescu: <assbot> Key 2FB7B452 / "Mircea Popescu (Acest articol are apriori avantajul aliteralitatii alaturi.) <office@polimedia.us>" successfully imported.

00:22:42 kanzure: or have different implementations

00:22:44 mircea_popescu: this is how mine looked.

00:23:22 kanzure: "Nick kanzure is already taken."

00:23:47 kanzure: btw this used to work

00:23:48 felipelalli: cazalla BingoBoingo please talk about Italy in Qntra.net as pete_dushenski suggested! This is huge!

00:23:49 kanzure: i have made no changes

00:24:00 mircea_popescu: ugh.

00:24:20 mircea_popescu: well kakobrekla might be able to help you.

00:24:23 kakobrekla: !gettrust assbot kanzure

00:24:23 assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user kanzure: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/kanzure | http://w.b-a.link/user/kanzure

00:24:30 kakobrekla: !up and !v

00:24:37 mircea_popescu: ah right.

00:24:54 mircea_popescu: kanzure ima devoice you now. say !up in private to assbot, decryot the otp then say !v

00:25:00 mircea_popescu: !down kanzure

00:25:04 mircea_popescu: see if this works

00:25:36 mircea_popescu: !up kanzure

00:25:38 mircea_popescu: <kanzure> "!up" is still giving me "Could not find your key. Check if your key is available on keyservers and try later.""

00:25:40 mircea_popescu: he sez.

00:25:46 kanzure: "!v" is giving me "Need a decrypted verification string."

00:26:04 BingoBoingo: felipelalli: pete already wrote on itally for qntra.net

00:26:08 kanzure: this is retarded

00:26:21 kanzure: can someone just give me assbot source code or something

00:26:38 kakobrekla: is key on keyserver ?

00:26:49 kanzure: we've been over this

00:26:57 felipelalli: BingoBoingo: I'm sorry, you guys are too fast. I saw just the last 3 articles.

00:27:28 mircea_popescu: kanzure well... nodes are hostile all teh time

00:27:37 felipelalli: And it was yesterday, I'm an idiot. Thanks.

00:27:58 kanzure: mircea_popescu: of course nodes are hostile... but this needs to be written down (apparently).

00:28:20 kanzure: part of it is that i don't trust anyone to keep the whole threat model in their head

00:28:33 kanzure: just seems unlikely

00:28:52 kanzure: and waiting for petertodd to start telling you to go fuck yourself is just a bad strategy

00:29:11 mircea_popescu: you know most of the lolz there are as to how incomplete it is

00:29:51 kanzure: ah...

00:30:12 kanzure: yeah i would estmate that it's no where near useful at the moment

00:32:10 kanzure: also does anyone know of a design for a planar engine? can be gas/steam/whatever. just needs to be manufactured in one step.

00:32:56 kakobrekla: your key was never imported

00:33:10 kakobrekla: how have you been over this

00:33:26 cazalla: felipelalli, pete submitted an article about that news yesterday - http://qntra.net/2015/02/banca-ditalia-ends-amlkyc-for-bitcoin-businesses-opts-out-of-economic-death/

00:33:27 assbot: Banca d’Italia Ends AML/KYC For Bitcoin Businesses, Opts Out Of Economic Death | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1D3iWlf )

00:34:10 felipelalli: cazalla: thanks cazalla, I skipped unintentionally.

00:34:27 cazalla: np

00:34:46 felipelalli: I was excited because my family is Italian and I have Italian passport.

00:34:46 kanzure: kakobrekla: how was i able to "!up" in the past?

00:35:17 kakobrekla: kanzure via old gribble auth.

00:36:01 kanzure: ah fascinating

00:48:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 128800 @ 0.00039625 = 51.037 BTC [+] {3}

01:01:29 mircea_popescu: !up kanzure

01:01:39 mircea_popescu: yeah the missing piece of your puzzlement here might be that gribble got forked

01:02:40 mircea_popescu: in any case, the notion of "writing down incentives" is a little silly.

01:02:46 mircea_popescu: incentives are always a contextual matter.

01:03:31 mircea_popescu: the idea that some sort of serious analysis can be based on that fails fundamentally, in that it tries to work on the basis of goals rather than from causes.

01:05:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54917 @ 0.00039001 = 21.4182 BTC [-] {2}

01:06:09 BingoBoingo: !up Alina-malina

01:06:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10934 @ 0.00038334 = 4.1914 BTC [-]

01:15:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34950 @ 0.00039753 = 13.8937 BTC [+] {2}

01:20:04 asciilifeform: kanzure: planar engine?

01:20:25 kanzure: was not aware of gribble fork

01:20:31 kanzure: asciilifeform: hplusroadmap is discussing said concept

01:20:42 kanzure: asciilifeform: http://gnusha.org/logs/2015-02-05.log

01:20:44 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1D3oz2M )

01:20:51 kanzure: asciilifeform: i'm thinking of something like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scroll_compressor

01:20:52 assbot: Scroll compressor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1D3ozjm )

01:21:07 asciilifeform: kanzure: tried plain old tesla turbine ?

01:21:33 asciilifeform: i don't think it gets any simpler than that

01:21:45 kanzure: wikipedia image does not make me think a tesla turbine is flat

01:22:08 asciilifeform: flat enough with one disk

01:22:45 kanzure: hm.

01:22:58 asciilifeform: http://hackedgadgets.com/wp-content/tesla_turbine_5.JPG << from hdd platter

01:23:00 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1DEhQum )

01:23:00 []bot: Bet created: "TSLA above $265.00 at close of trading on 17-JUL-2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1116/

01:25:23 mircea_popescu: So Randi goes to Davos, never once asking why they would want her there? Convincing her demo of underproducing hyperconsumers that capitalism-- controlling capital-- is pointless and mean, but globalism-- doublespoken as "progress", "human rights", "everything is connected"-- that is a noble cause. Remember that the "culture" she thinks she speaks for, including those that hate her-- "the startup culture"-- is premis

01:25:25 asciilifeform: kanzure: from a cursory reading of the linked log, it appears that you want a photolithographable engine ?

01:25:28 mircea_popescu: ed on starting a business in order to sell the business to someone else. Of course the idea is to get rich-- which sounds like capitalism, if you're retarded, but observe the message that is being taught: that the necessary correlate to getting rich is to give all the capital to someone else. The power is traded for the fetish of power. That's not capitalism, it is madness, and apparently Davos and Randi think wom

01:25:35 mircea_popescu: en especially will heart it. It'll work for a handful of well publicized people pictured above the caption, "$100 billion! You could be next!"-- followed immediately by a story about how worthless the business turned out to be, so of course the goal for you is to sell out ASAP; but the vast majority who have aligned their psychology with this vector will pursue an impossible fantasy at the expense of their labor an

01:25:40 mircea_popescu: d their lives. If you don't believe me, believe Lori Gottlieb. This logic recommended to her to drop out of Stanford medical school to join Kibu.com, and now she's a relationship expert.

01:25:43 mircea_popescu: god i searched for that quote...

01:25:45 mircea_popescu: fucking lori gottlieb

01:25:48 asciilifeform: kanzure: answer's easy - stirling with liquid piston.

01:25:55 kanzure: asciilifeform: yes please. although other one-pass manufacturing processes will be considered.

01:26:02 kanzure: hm

01:26:05 asciilifeform: kanzure: you now have answer.

01:26:47 mircea_popescu: im perhaps slow, but what is "one pass mfg process" even mean ?!

01:27:19 kanzure: it means "don't spend 100 hours assembling tiny parts into a bigger device"

01:27:23 asciilifeform: i'm assuming it refers to anything akin to printing, stamping, etching

01:27:30 kanzure: correct

01:27:38 mircea_popescu: so it's really "printable engine" ?

01:27:44 asciilifeform: (etching is quite certainly not 'one pass' in any sense, but i can see how it might fit here)

01:27:57 kanzure: i would say "printable engine" except then i would hate myself

01:28:14 mircea_popescu: kanzure this nomenclature you use is very confusing for (admittedly,. old) people with actual manufacutring management experience. it sounds a lot like the earlier discussed lighbulb sql.

01:28:52 kanzure: well that's what you get when mechanical engineering departments spend more time teaching me fucking excel spreadsheets than, you know, engineering

01:28:56 kanzure: (i dropped out)

01:29:24 mircea_popescu: basically, the notion that all manufacturing processes can be divided into an arbitrary number of passes at a gain of productivity is the tenet of that business for a century now.

01:29:30 asciilifeform: kanzure: i may be able to give you more specific advice if you say what the engine is meant to drive.

01:29:58 kanzure: asciilifeform: at minimum i need a few tens of newtons of force... in general.

01:30:05 kanzure: but more would be nice

01:30:10 asciilifeform: and also precisely why it needs to be lithographically produced

01:30:19 kanzure: that's more the reason here

01:30:43 mircea_popescu: well inasmuch you can print a bottle and fill it with a gas, you can make a rocket that'll produce 10 newtons or more.

01:30:45 asciilifeform: force exerted on what ?

01:30:48 asciilifeform: ^

01:30:58 kanzure: nothing in particular, just generic actuators i guess

01:31:05 mircea_popescu: so, small ?

01:31:09 asciilifeform: there is no such thing as 'generic actuator'

01:31:22 kanzure: linear screw thread actuators are very useful at all sorts of sizes, but hard to manufacture (= require more steps and parts and manufacturing processes)

01:31:25 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i moved on to that after building a generic jammer, in my childhood :D

01:31:33 asciilifeform: does the engine need to produce linear motion? turn a shaft? cycle more than once? more than a trillion times ?

01:31:45 kanzure: oh that doesn't matter, you can convert most forms of motion

01:31:51 mircea_popescu: by using parts lol

01:32:26 asciilifeform: !up kanzure

01:32:53 mircea_popescu: "Every time you hear the word globalism, you should hear three things: 1. wealth uncoupled from work product. 2. Lifestyle as a reflection of your personal self-worth. 3. You give up control of the capital, and by capital I mean you. "Do I still get paid?" Sure, but you have to promise to spend more than what we pay. "How will that work?" Don't worry, Visa will explain it all to you."

01:32:58 mircea_popescu: i'd like to pay for this guy to have babies.

01:33:05 kanzure: i'm not sure if mircea_popescu is being serious about this

01:33:11 kanzure: since asciilifeform seems to understand i'll drop it

01:33:14 asciilifeform: kanzure: if you merely wish to drive a linear actuator, use an inchworm motor. if you need extraordinary force, use terfenol-d for the piezo stacks.

01:33:25 kanzure: a comb drive is approximately what i want

01:33:32 kanzure: except it doesn't work for large amounts of force

01:33:37 kanzure: or at "large" scale

01:33:51 asciilifeform: hell, mhd actuator

01:33:58 asciilifeform: as much force as you can sink heat.

01:34:09 asciilifeform: (do you need precision? you didn't say whether did or not)

01:34:12 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i thought the inchworm's main application was precise movement

01:34:13 asciilifeform: mhd - no parts at all

01:34:18 mircea_popescu: rather than force.

01:34:20 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: referring to mhd

01:34:29 kanzure: hm i have a magnetohydrodynamics person in hplusroadmap. i will pester him.

01:34:31 asciilifeform: where - little precision, arbitrary force

01:34:51 asciilifeform: if your working fluid is even slightly conductive - mhd.

01:35:25 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: was that tlp ?

01:35:33 mircea_popescu: yes it was tlp.

01:35:39 kanzure: where should i look for evidence of large force magnetohydrodynamic actuators

01:35:48 asciilifeform: kanzure: your desk

01:35:50 mircea_popescu: anyway inchworm means piezo in my head for some reason.

01:36:14 asciilifeform: kanzure: 1) not hard to research the basic mechanics, it's primary school physics 2) not hard to build experimental concept

01:36:22 asciilifeform: with elementary equip.

01:37:03 kanzure: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13JW-Ifg4wA

01:37:04 assbot: High-thrust spiral motor : DigInfo - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DEl29i )

01:37:12 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: inchworm drive is not necessarily implemented with piezos (though usually), nor is a piezo actuator necessarily built on inchworm principle.

01:37:21 kanzure: hm no

01:37:46 kanzure: perhaps https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_DjbYZ2eCM

01:37:46 assbot: self-powered magnetohydrodynamic motor - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DEleW3 )

01:37:49 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform granted. just one of those mental automatisms that never had a chance to run into a door before.

01:38:14 asciilifeform: kanzure: i think you just linked to a perpetuum mobile.

01:38:28 mircea_popescu: well youtube research has its advantages.

01:38:53 kanzure: a minute on youtube saves a decade in my lab

01:39:02 asciilifeform: a decade in the lab saves you a minute...

01:39:15 asciilifeform: (where? on #b-a, naturally.)

01:39:26 kanzure: right... nobody in their right mind should use youtube.. yet here i am.

01:40:08 asciilifeform: kanzure: is this engine search still connected with your microfluidics/high-throughput screening thing, or something new ?

01:40:25 kanzure: vaguely connected i suppose

01:40:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38793 @ 0.00039754 = 15.4218 BTC [+]

01:40:54 mircea_popescu: kanzure seriously, if efficiency is not a concern (and i take it not to be since you never mentioned it yet), a succession of bottles is your best bet.

01:40:54 kanzure: having a flat/planar/single-pass-manufactured engine or actuator would be very useful for many reasons

01:41:01 kanzure: of bottles?

01:41:02 mircea_popescu: use precompressed gas, or combustion or w/e.

01:41:29 asciilifeform: kanzure: you should be able to fabricate a linear mhd actuator using ordinary etched copper pcb.

01:41:42 kanzure: fascinating

01:41:53 asciilifeform: or, alternatively, a liquid-pistol stirling engine using two sheets of glass and a garden-variety co2 laser engraver

01:42:04 asciilifeform: *piston

01:42:13 mircea_popescu: oh!

01:42:22 mircea_popescu: ok this is an idea! glass pane stirling heated by laser.

01:42:23 asciilifeform: neither has moving parts in the usual sense

01:42:42 kanzure: someone made a laser-pumped microfluidic device which was cute

01:42:52 mircea_popescu: what's a good working fluid ? (high absorbtion / high expansion with temp) ?

01:42:54 kanzure: also for cell lysis but w/e

01:43:03 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu has it. can apply heat wherever you want it (laser, or electrically - indium or similar conductive layer on the glass)

01:43:14 mircea_popescu: laser way cheaper.

01:43:23 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: water works surprisingly well

01:43:36 mircea_popescu: i was thinking, it's probably something like mg permanganate water solution

01:43:36 kanzure: yeah but nobody is selling me a multi-kilowatt surface mount laser

01:43:45 asciilifeform: kanzure: 'ebay' is.

01:43:47 mircea_popescu: or w/e impurity works well for your wavelength

01:43:49 asciilifeform: kanzure: how many do you need ?

01:44:08 asciilifeform: (you don't need to mount the laser itself on the glass! fiber conduit)

01:44:12 mircea_popescu: ^

01:44:17 mircea_popescu: laser is cheapest for many reasons

01:44:29 kanzure: ebay is selling surface mount lasers that do >1 kW? hrm /me looks again

01:44:47 kanzure: gah why did you send to me ebay

01:44:50 kanzure: how about alibaba

01:45:09 asciilifeform: if you need 1 - ebay

01:45:12 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in fairness, he could probably get away even with duct taping resistors on the pane.

01:45:15 asciilifeform: 1mil+ - alibaba

01:45:47 kanzure: anyway this is not for micromotion

01:45:56 asciilifeform: then - for what ?

01:46:18 asciilifeform: kanzure: actual engineering usually happens with an objective

01:46:33 kanzure: why can't i just have lots of reusable motion devices? >:(

01:46:37 asciilifeform: can.

01:46:42 asciilifeform: we named how many? 6 ?

01:47:05 cazalla: http://calgaryherald.com/news/crime/man-admits-driving-pickup-truck-into-calgary-courts-centre <<< not qntra worthy but man drives his truck into court house, demands they submit to bitcoin lol

01:47:07 assbot: Man admits driving pickup truck into Calgary Courts Centre | Calgary Herald ... ( http://bit.ly/1D3s09J )

01:47:12 kanzure: let's say powering a conventional cnc machine maybe

01:47:22 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and therein lies your answer. or to quote the shockingly on point tlp, "Think seriously about what she (thinks she) wants: acceptance of her individuality-- by work. Not for her work product-- there is none; but for her individuality, by work.

01:47:22 BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: https://twitter.com/danielpbarron/status/563512344308117504 << OTR and ephemeral keys have use cases

01:47:24 assbot: It's great /JuliaAngwin got GPG donation love. Now OTR needs some too. It's much better crypto in many threat models https://t.co/MvruCAd1Ka

01:47:24 kanzure: or car... but it wont really ever be used in a car i hope..

01:47:24 mircea_popescu: First question: which work? Not the job you have, it's real, and it's boring. It is a future "career", the fantasy environment seen on TV dramas where all of life takes place.

01:47:24 mircea_popescu: Second question: why work? Men are not being taught to want their job to value them, in fact, men want as little to do with their jobs as possible. Randi and the globalism party bus are teaching women to want "careers"-- more precisely, to want to draw more of their identity from their careers."

01:47:36 asciilifeform: kanzure: this is a question i've put a great deal of thought in. what do you dislike re: existing actuators for cnc ?

01:47:40 mircea_popescu: cazalla sheit ? why not qntra worthy ?

01:48:11 kanzure: asciilifeform: i actually am very fond of linear screw actuators, but i would prefer something that can be manufactured using spatial light modulation with basically zero assembly steps.

01:48:29 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo can the otr folks get pointed to the fact that a) openbsd got 20k and b) they'd better get their ass in here and start working up a track record ?

01:48:37 kanzure: mhd looks like it could work

01:48:40 asciilifeform: kanzure: zero assembly steps << hard to improve on mhd

01:48:56 asciilifeform: if you don't need much precision at all, 'muscle wire'

01:49:00 kanzure: i am also fond of things on the order of "resistive heating element + some surface" heh

01:49:16 cazalla: mircea_popescu, i dunno, i guess i'll look into it more and see who he is, really only had a laff and moved on

01:49:40 mircea_popescu: i like the principle, and the man deserves front page and his picture on the newspaper.

01:49:42 mircea_popescu: hopefully more people do exactly the same.

01:50:06 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I wouldn't know where to start on that danielpbarron is having some sort of twitter conversation with Weev and just wanted to suggest there might be use cases for the OTR thing.

01:50:27 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo me either, which is why i pester you about it :)

01:50:45 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: "because the joo's a lazy reader." << pardon?

01:50:49 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: otr/'forward secrecy' is simply the practice of generating an ephemeral key for a particular conversation, which is to be discarded later

01:50:58 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes did you actually see the guy's cv ?

01:51:04 ben_vulpes: yes.

01:51:07 mircea_popescu: o.O

01:51:11 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Indeed, sort of like gossipd.

01:51:13 mircea_popescu: holy shit, and that's all you had to say ?

01:51:18 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: in the event one or the other participant is captured with his equipment, the ephemeral key is (presumably) gone.

01:51:26 mircea_popescu: i changed my mind, you're not lazy, you're the heart of tactfulness.

01:51:49 ben_vulpes: kinda what i was going for

01:52:12 mircea_popescu: i had no idea you're that smooth.

01:52:12 kanzure: asciilifeform: here are some things i was looking at yesterday http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/mems/

01:52:14 mircea_popescu: no wonder you get laid.

01:52:42 kanzure: asciilifeform: i have various parts laying around for homefab of microelectronics (on the order of a few hundred microns but whatever)

01:52:59 kanzure: planning on same system for microfluidics adventures

01:53:09 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes just keeps his tact quiet most of the time.

01:53:21 mircea_popescu: kanzure alf spent i dunno, a year or os ? trying to build essentially a pick n place / fab lab for cardano

01:53:23 kanzure: basically ghetto projector pointed down microscope tube

01:53:25 asciilifeform: kanzure: assuming you just want linear motion of fluids - you should be able to get what you want from a sheet of glass. etch with co2 laser or hf.

01:53:35 kanzure: have i ever ranted to you about my apt-get for hardware stuff

01:53:59 asciilifeform: wat

01:54:02 kanzure: hmm then i will pencil that in sometime

01:54:20 kanzure: basically i want hardware but i don't want to have to spend my life reading millions of pages of documentation

01:54:42 asciilifeform: kanzure: one could come to a worse fate than 'millions of pages of documentation'

01:54:54 asciilifeform: for one thing, documentation is not even available for the most interesting devices

01:54:57 kanzure: microelectronics vlsi doesn't require millions (well.. i mean.. not to make a single chip)

01:54:57 mircea_popescu: what'd that be, pages of documentation that double every year ?

01:55:06 asciilifeform: except as tiny dribbles of leak

01:55:14 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2015#1007991 << i didn't want to drive the kid away immediately

01:55:14 assbot: Logged on 05-02-2015 06:51:10; ben_vulpes: absolutely none of this qualifies you to have an opinion about block size.

01:55:17 kanzure: that's not what i mean

01:55:19 ben_vulpes: assuming he's not a plant, that is

01:55:21 asciilifeform: and reverse-engineered, at titanic sweat, data, years after said device is out of production

01:55:43 kanzure: if making anything always requires me to make impossible investments in time and energy then none of the fun stuff will get made

01:56:02 ben_vulpes: making anything always requires impossible investments of time and energy.

01:56:14 kanzure: that's only because we're idiots

01:56:31 ben_vulpes: impossible's more a function of available time/energy anyways. not an absolute thing.

01:57:41 mircea_popescu: no, it's because Ὁ βίος βραχύς, ἡ δὲ τέχνη μακρή, ὁ δὲ καιρὸς ὀξύς, ἡ δὲ πεῖρα σφαλερή, ἡ δὲ κρίσις χαλεπή.

01:57:50 kanzure: asciilifeform: pick and places are getting pretty cheap... though this one might still be out of my budget range: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRu02F6AOmg&t=40s

01:57:50 assbot: Fuji CP-643 Chip Shooter 20 Head - Circuit Board Assembly - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DEoDEf )

01:58:48 asciilifeform: kanzure: if you are trying to produce 5,000,000 units of xxx by next tuesday - that 'fuji' is your god and king, and pray to it

01:59:04 asciilifeform: kanzure: if 100 xxx, at home - then why?!?!!

01:59:51 kanzure: i wasn't claiming i was mass manufacturing anything like that at home

01:59:54 kanzure: blah

02:00:21 mircea_popescu: stop getting in the way of dreams and aspirations alfie

02:00:38 asciilifeform: dr34mz

02:01:11 ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> [] kanzure: tried plain old tesla turbine ? << talk about boyhood dreams

02:01:27 ben_vulpes: i built so much errata in pursuit of that thing

02:01:31 ben_vulpes: a fucking waste oil furnace

02:01:33 ben_vulpes: my own flash boiler

02:01:38 ben_vulpes: a reheater

02:01:46 mircea_popescu: o.O

02:01:50 kanzure: asciilifeform: also.. we should run a (human) selective breeding program for cryoresuscitation-compatibility.

02:01:55 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: what?!

02:02:04 mircea_popescu: i never was that cool as a boy.

02:02:12 asciilifeform: kanzure: try with smaller organism first ?

02:02:23 kanzure: of course

02:02:28 kanzure: way ahead of you

02:02:30 asciilifeform: kanzure: probably will have more luck with selective breeding for breathing vacuum

02:02:41 kanzure: well why bother with breathing at that point? what?

02:02:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2100 @ 0.00097074 = 2.0386 BTC [+] {3}

02:02:55 decimation: lol that chip shooter is hardcore, but how many bezzlars?

02:02:55 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: weren't you killing people and building criminal empires then?

02:03:29 mircea_popescu: allegedly.

02:03:38 asciilifeform: kanzure: what would you be breeding? cell membranes resistant to ice?

02:03:40 mircea_popescu: but building furnaces ? that's like work.

02:03:51 asciilifeform: kanzure: biological 'antifreeze' as in certain frogs ?

02:03:51 ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> [] flat enough with one disk << i did my own axle and used HD disks to get better boundary layer performance

02:04:13 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: neato

02:04:23 asciilifeform: i think nowadays folks normally build them out of hd platters

02:04:29 asciilifeform: they're nearly perfect for the job as they come

02:04:31 mircea_popescu: incidentally re teh cryo stuff, anyone seen hibernatus ?

02:04:35 ben_vulpes: never got the gas steam bearings to work tho

02:05:50 decimation: mircea_popescu: lol he goes on: "It's probably unnecessary to point out that this increase in lifestyle is built on the increased work product of whoever will do it for 30 cents an hour, and anyway it is a red herring. The real attraction for us isn't just the lifestyle, but that it systematizes-- it makes normal-- not ever wondering: how come we have more lifestyle when we didn't do more work? "

02:06:35 mircea_popescu: decimation the guy's exquisite chjoice of relevant subject matter, and the fearless approach has thoroughly impressed me.

02:06:59 decimation: yeah he makes alot of sense

02:07:20 ben_vulpes: i also kicked around a design for a nifty reciprocal engine where the piston was really just a magnet-bearing shuttle zipping back and forth through coils for insta-ac

02:07:21 mircea_popescu: " My face is in my hands and I wonder how anyone could be asked to raise a girl in such a world? Recently a female cardiologist with a "difficult" 10 year old daughter who had been well trained to want things but not control things asked me if I had read "the study in the New York Times"-- !?!?!?!?!?-- that said that people with the same surname, over generations, continued to achieve the same level of wealth, showing

02:07:21 mircea_popescu: "therefore" that genetic factors were more important than the home environment in determining social mobility, isn't that probably true? Having to do this sober I asked her, "But didn't you change your surname 11 years ago? Or are you betting she can just upgrade hers?" What else could I say? If you read it, it's for you?"

02:07:55 mircea_popescu: the divorcing of people's skills from their general ability to think, neatly mirroring the divorce between want and control, and for that matter between capital and power.

02:08:14 mircea_popescu: "how to support the welfare state ? oh, simply cut everyone in two and hide the halves"

02:08:18 mircea_popescu: sounds like fucking plato already.

02:08:36 decimation: re: 30 cents an hour: http://spectrum.ieee.org/view-from-the-valley/at-work/tech-careers/massive-worldwide-layoff-underway-at-ibm "At more than 100,000 people, that makes it the largest mass layoff at any U.S. corporation in at least 20 years."

02:08:38 assbot: Massive Worldwide Layoff Underway At IBM - IEEE Spectrum ... ( http://bit.ly/1DEq7yl )

02:08:40 mircea_popescu: "you can probably extract some work out of the desperate movements of half people in the environment'

02:09:13 mircea_popescu: decimation from the very log of the very day : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=05-02-2015#1009373

02:09:13 assbot: Logged on 05-02-2015 23:51:15; mircea_popescu: "The one great example is IBM, which faced disruption and existential threat from PCs in the early 1990s and emerged stronger and is still a thriving company. "

02:09:24 ben_vulpes: oh yeah that idiot

02:09:28 ben_vulpes: fintech whatever whatever?

02:09:31 ben_vulpes: dunn something?

02:09:45 decimation: yeah it's thriving alright

02:10:14 BingoBoingo: decimation: Sure, keeps making more dollars for doing less things.

02:10:19 mircea_popescu: real estate company for the win.

02:10:34 decimation: as far as I can gather from employee comments, the 'thriving' at IBM basically consists of brokering indians to write shit code

02:10:37 mircea_popescu: but in the insane story of post-qe world, it makes it's own sort of sense.

02:10:45 BingoBoingo: IBM's probably one of the largest benefactors of fiat world inflation

02:12:16 ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: water works surprisingly well << oh let us not get ben_vulpes started on the wonders of steam

02:12:19 mircea_popescu: trinque: you want to build your visa? build it on bitcoin, but don't systemd the thing and decide it must have a visa built in << that's not a bnad angle.

02:12:33 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: "process man" << i guess more accurate than i ever thought

02:13:03 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes didja get on the part of teh log where the entire d&t think you were discussing with danielpbarron etc is dispelled ?

02:13:19 ben_vulpes: hmwat?

02:13:26 ben_vulpes: d and t?

02:13:40 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2015/gerald-davis-is-wrong-heres-why/

02:13:41 assbot: Gerald Davis is wrong. Here's why. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1D3u819 )

02:13:46 mircea_popescu: the post phillip guy was concerned with.

02:14:00 asciilifeform: ^ epic ps0t btw

02:14:24 decimation: re: IBM in the 90's < they didn't 'face disruption', they made one of the largest mistakes in business history

02:14:29 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2015#1008091 << bnwahaha

02:14:29 assbot: Logged on 05-02-2015 07:23:19; punkman: phillipsjk: the 1MB limit is not to stop spam

02:14:43 mircea_popescu: decimation but they made so many!

02:15:11 decimation: they had 30 years of usg/bezzlar computers locked up and were too retarded to market it

02:15:47 mircea_popescu: but no. i suspect that may be missing the point.

02:16:00 mircea_popescu: see, they had 30 years locked up, and AS A CONDITION OF THIS LOCK UP they couldn't market it.

02:16:10 mircea_popescu: because they had to spend their time instead discussing how young men should wear a tie.

02:17:26 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: phillipsjk: where did you get that key, anyways? did you buy it? << fwiw i believe teh guy's genuine.

02:17:51 mircea_popescu: trinque: will my btcd still fart transactions at other nodes if I haven't finished syncing the blockchain? << yes.

02:17:55 ben_vulpes: i don't believe anything

02:17:58 mircea_popescu: except some times.

02:18:05 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: the man's talking about btcd, not bitcoind

02:18:17 mod6: ok, i've dumped block 168000

02:18:25 mod6: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=vxM6dfwC

02:18:26 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1DEroWi )

02:18:31 mircea_popescu: o.O it's text ?!

02:19:10 ben_vulpes: nah, comes from andresens bag of snakes

02:19:14 mod6: haha

02:19:22 mircea_popescu: BLOCK 000000000000099e61ea72015e79632f216fe6cb33d7899acb35b75c8303b763 << it checks out.

02:20:04 ben_vulpes: whaddayamean, "checks out"

02:20:09 mircea_popescu: uhm. there's nothing actually wrong with this block.

02:20:17 mod6: and bag-o-snakes doesn't turn up 168,001 which makes sense, since it chokes on somethingthere

02:20:25 mod6: mircea_popescu: correct.

02:21:11 mod6: take a look at this other test i ran today with /just/ v0.5.3 basecode: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=9U2VHnRx

02:21:11 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1DErQ6I )

02:21:19 mircea_popescu: mod6 a remote possibility was that your problem somehow came from a bad block, tho i have/had no idea wtf that'd be

02:21:21 ben_vulpes: what was the story with a certain version of ssl breaking some kinds of btc signatures?

02:21:23 mod6: block 168,000 was accepted

02:21:24 mircea_popescu: which is why i asked for dump

02:21:54 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes most recent openssl which bitcoind imports decided to accept as valid padded sigs

02:21:58 mod6: something in block 168,001 makes it puke perhaps from that failed VerifySignature

02:22:22 mircea_popescu: mod6 yes but see, a 168`000 diddled block is a huge issue, because checkpoint.

02:22:32 mircea_popescu: a diddled 168`001 block, not even nearly so much.

02:22:56 mod6: maybe it's not a diddled 168,000 block

02:23:07 mircea_popescu: this doesn't seem to be in any way ungood.

02:23:08 mod6: maybe its 168,001 that's hosing us.

02:23:16 ben_vulpes: i think mp's implication is that 168001 is diddled

02:23:24 mircea_popescu: it's not, no.

02:23:26 mod6: well, im just trying to pin it down to where we go wrong.

02:23:34 mod6: i can still provide some sort of binary dump.

02:23:55 mod6: im just gathering data as best/quickly as i can

02:24:08 mircea_popescu: works mod6

02:24:21 mod6: you testing on your end?

02:25:10 mod6: nm.

02:25:34 mircea_popescu: well i've not got a wedged one

02:25:53 mod6: that's good!

02:26:03 mod6: which version, which patches?

02:27:01 trinque: mircea_popescu: yeh need the confirmation though to publish

02:27:18 trinque: that drive got destroyed in the process; blockchain on the server's now at like aug 2013

02:27:31 mircea_popescu: mod6 oh the mysterious mp stuff, most of which dates from 2012

02:27:39 mod6: oh, ok.

02:27:43 trinque: I guess I could just ask blockchain.info for the confirmations in the meantime

02:27:57 ben_vulpes: not cockchain!

02:28:04 trinque: ben_vulpes: I don't realy want to...

02:28:07 mircea_popescu: yeah don't drag that in .

02:28:31 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: 'process man' << 'Well a process man am I and I'm tellin' you no lie / I work and breathe among the fumes that tread across the sky...'

02:28:52 mod6: yeah, i mean, as recently as the 26th of january I was able to full sync and send/receive with: v053+patches { 1, rm_rf_upnp, 2, 3, 4, & 6 } and other people have gotten past it as well. so its not consistant as far as I can tell.

02:29:06 mircea_popescu: howling shit whay this log no ends!

02:29:10 mircea_popescu: i've been reading at it all day

02:29:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16200 @ 0.00039794 = 6.4466 BTC [+]

02:30:58 mod6: hmm. anyway, ok. anyway, that's pretty much the latest.

02:31:26 mod6: so I'll keep digging in the blk0001.dat file to see what I can find in there.

02:31:31 mod6: :]

02:32:04 mircea_popescu: "Once the attack was discovered, Anthem immediately made every effort to close the security vulnerability, contacted the FBI and began fully cooperating with their investigation. Anthem has also retained Mandiant, one of the world?s leading cybersecurity firms, to evaluate our systems and identify solutions based on the evolving landscape."

02:32:06 mircea_popescu: blergh.

02:32:08 ben_vulpes: none of the portatronic builds are wedging like this, right?

02:32:21 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: danielpbarron's was, no ?

02:32:21 mircea_popescu: "dear sheep. we lost your mother. we paid off the government agent for a fix. the fix is in. fuck you."

02:32:45 mircea_popescu: not afaik ?

02:32:52 asciilifeform: 288888, incidentally.

02:33:23 ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: do you have a wedged portatron?

02:33:33 mircea_popescu: "From the Desk of Joseph R. Swedish President and CEO Anthem, Inc." << "we now act just like warrior forum scammers - it's the industree"

02:35:24 mod6: this is the txhash that it pukes on: http://btc.blockr.io/tx/info/2c2314f353013f920d8fbfde242d7d23ba4cb9b97dc24f481dd0ccfd8f56324c

02:35:24 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1DEuolt )

02:39:57 danielpbarron: mine didn't wedge

02:40:11 danielpbarron: height=188068

02:40:44 danielpbarron: it's the porta-tronic-bastard version

02:40:46 mircea_popescu: !rated lobbes

02:40:47 assbot: You have not rated lobbes.

02:40:56 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edAxujKev1I << reminds me of the time i've spent deep in the bowels of D1X and friends

02:40:56 assbot: The Chemical Worker's Song by Great Big Sea - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DEvv4G )

02:40:58 danielpbarron: i will soon be testing a non-bastard one that i compiled myself

02:40:59 mircea_popescu: !rate lobbes 1 Well... he did teach himself how to view a directory...

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02:42:12 mircea_popescu: omfg done! yay!

02:43:52 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: neato

02:43:57 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: for 'pogo' ?

02:44:44 danielpbarron: ya

02:44:59 danielpbarron: idk if it'll work yet but i have a bitcoind

02:45:43 danielpbarron: i had to change "make install" to "make install_sw" for the openssl compilation

02:45:47 danielpbarron: that fixed it.

02:50:09 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: what version of openssl ?

02:50:54 danielpbarron: same as yours in auto.sh

02:51:03 asciilifeform: building on what platform ?

02:51:05 danielpbarron: the only thing i changed in that file is the make install thing

02:51:18 danielpbarron: gentoo

02:51:21 asciilifeform: odd, then

02:51:25 asciilifeform: should not have had to change anything.

02:51:32 asciilifeform: whatsoever.

02:51:37 danielpbarron: that's the assumption that was holding me back :p

02:51:53 danielpbarron: idk i probably messed something up somewhere

02:52:06 danielpbarron: this is the 2nd time i've sucessfully installed gentoo on something

02:52:08 asciilifeform: 66ebbad3c8ad98a07b486d39d0c3ae62b00133f8f2877cf8b97c461e7c7f40b29cf9c3cae82cf73a92dcf1daa63d33aa76c910fbcbe60158589fc7cb48f41e6d openssl-1.0.1g.tar.gz

02:52:10 asciilifeform: (sha512)

02:52:12 asciilifeform: what's yours ?

02:52:25 decimation: mircea_popescu: lol anthem is my health insurance

02:52:29 ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: that gets me two up on you

02:52:46 danielpbarron: i can't copy paste it easily right now, but it's the same as that asciilifeform

02:52:48 decimation: they said they would send a special email later when they "figure out" if I am affected or not

02:53:08 decimation: the bigger issue is the fact that you have to keep your social security number a 'secret'

02:53:14 danielpbarron: oh wait i have it hosted already

02:53:20 danielpbarron: http://danielpbarron.com/pogo-build.sh.txt

02:53:21 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1DEytpU )

02:53:26 ben_vulpes: ssn secret is best secret

02:53:31 danielpbarron: ctrl+f openssl

02:53:34 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: read the makefile

02:53:48 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: 'install' is 'all install_docs install_sw'

02:53:57 asciilifeform: i take it you had the latex docs bug ?

02:54:02 danielpbarron: yes

02:54:08 asciilifeform: then safe to ignore.

02:55:44 mircea_popescu: decimation well... secret in the sense you're supposed to keep your genitals secret neh ?

02:57:19 decimation: in the us, if someone has your name, address, and ssn they can apply for 'credit' on your behalf

02:57:40 asciilifeform: and, depending on your credit rating, buy a 'boeing' with no questions asked.

02:57:54 decimation: similarly, they can present themselves to the local doctor as you and send you medical bills

02:57:56 asciilifeform: usg sees this as a civil service!

02:58:12 asciilifeform: i.e. if you refuse to sell yourself into debt slavery, someone is to do it for you.

02:58:23 decimation: somehow this is not the problem, it's the fact that derps can't keep the ssn 'secret' is the problem

02:58:40 asciilifeform: a... 24 bit? secret

02:58:44 asciilifeform: big fat secret.

02:58:53 decimation: asciilifeform: just as secret as your credit card number

02:59:01 decimation: and checking account number

02:59:04 asciilifeform: which is known to ten thousand waiters.

02:59:31 asciilifeform: checking << known to everyone you ever write a cheque to...

03:00:08 decimation: asciilifeform: the inevitable conclusion is that the banks/usg do not mind criminals making money off the fucktarded system

03:01:02 asciilifeform: the biggest criminal, usg, makes most of it.

03:01:42 decimation: it is certainly one way that wealth is is transferred to the 'deserving' - robin hood style

03:02:12 mircea_popescu: well, you may not believe this or like this, but... my banking depends on my gpg signature o.O

03:02:19 *: asciilifeform once worked with a nearly-penniless foreign postdoc whose departure from usa was hastened by some bureaucrat (who handled his papers) deciding to... buy a house in his name

03:02:37 asciilifeform: we all want to use mircea_popescu's bank of mars.

03:03:06 mircea_popescu: crazy huh.

03:03:24 asciilifeform: they caught the woman, eventually, and there was some penalty (a light one, iirc) but it did not send the creditors back to the holes they crawled out of

03:03:35 asciilifeform: and, having the option to be rid of this mess, he took it

03:03:54 decimation: asciilifeform: right, the banks don't give a shit because 1.) they generally don't get stuck with the bill and 2.) when they do, usg prints them up some bezzlars

03:04:30 asciilifeform: they also get best of both worlds if the victim is retarded, and saddles himself with the debt

03:04:33 asciilifeform: in any number of ways

03:04:50 asciilifeform: (in most u.s. states, paying even a penny - glues it to you permanently)

03:05:06 mircea_popescu: nah, only for five years iirc.

03:05:10 decimation: the whole system tends to inject bezzlars randomly throughout the 'real' economy

03:05:12 asciilifeform: ianal.

03:05:13 mircea_popescu: course if you "continue contact" it resets

03:07:19 asciilifeform: system tends to inject bezzlars randomly throughout the 'real' economy << at this point, this is not unlike worrying about the health effects of the embalming solution undertakers inject into their 'patients'

03:07:23 decimation: 'begging for gpg via media' http://www.propublica.org/article/the-worlds-email-encryption-software-relies-on-one-guy-who-is-going-broke

03:07:25 assbot: The World’s Email Encryption Software Relies on One Guy, Who is Going Broke - ProPublica ... ( http://bit.ly/1DEC1s6 )

03:08:16 asciilifeform: decimation: looks like that fella wins 'beggar of the year' ?

03:08:22 decimation: asciilifeform: look in the corner of his computer room - looks like a radio transmitter above his o-scope

03:08:49 asciilifeform: a number of common household tools in the photo

03:09:05 mircea_popescu: "What is Social Security Number (SSN) Randomization? The project is a forward looking initiative of the Social Security Administration (SSA) to help protect the integrity of the SSN by establishing a new randomized assignment methodology. SSN Randomization will also extend the longevity of the nine-digit SSN nationwide."

03:09:17 mircea_popescu: ahem. 9 digits are going to be sufficient for 300mn people ?

03:09:21 asciilifeform: a cheapo soldering station, etc.

03:09:46 asciilifeform: 'model m', with the inevitable pen clutter

03:09:58 decimation: mircea_popescu: it's a lulzy recycling program - in the past, us ssn's were assigned by geographical region

03:10:12 asciilifeform: afaik they still are ?

03:10:46 decimation: no that's the point of that 'randomization' program I think

03:11:33 asciilifeform: pointless distraction.

03:14:13 asciilifeform: the fiat world's refusal to use modern crypto exclusively is not a mistake, not an accident, not sloth

03:14:16 decimation: http://www.ssa.gov/employer/randomization.html << all you wanted to know

03:14:17 assbot: Social Security Number Randomization ... ( http://bit.ly/1DEE2Va )

03:14:18 asciilifeform: it is a deliberate and planned act

03:14:46 asciilifeform: just like the failure-to-mention-mpex discussed in mircea_popescu's article

03:15:07 decimation: asciilifeform: the reason given against crypto is that the masses would reject a 'universal id' card

03:15:22 asciilifeform: forget universal anything-card

03:15:28 decimation: but I don't see why the government should have anything to do with verifying identity anyway

03:15:29 asciilifeform: just the notion that 'you are a key'

03:15:36 asciilifeform: not even necessarily one key

03:16:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15961 @ 0.0003885 = 6.2008 BTC [-]

03:16:03 decimation: why can't I go to the local costco and broker credit through them?

03:16:14 asciilifeform: but the notion that commercial identity can exist outside of a key - is a work of the beast.

03:17:14 decimation: asciilifeform: aye that's true

03:17:39 decimation: but you see in the usa, it is unthinkable that usg wouldn't issue keys

03:18:00 asciilifeform: naturally.

03:18:24 asciilifeform: it would be unthinkable for anyone other than usg to wipe arses, if this were practical.

03:21:05 asciilifeform: (for n00bs: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1323 << describes, among other things, the curious fact that within usg, only specially trained gnomes are permitted the privilege of generating keys, for use by all ranks from private to president)

03:21:07 assbot: Loper OS » A Country of Which Nothing is Known but the Name. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DEFVkM )

03:21:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24100 @ 0.00039713 = 9.5708 BTC [+] {2}

03:21:36 decimation: or similarly, it is unthinkable that a non-usg-approved-bank would issue credit or bank

03:22:04 asciilifeform: that was conclusively suppressed after u.s. civil war, iirc.

03:22:55 thestringpuller: the keymaker isn't entirely bad concept

03:23:06 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: for whom ?

03:23:11 decimation: ah, yes, the author of gpg is a ham http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Dd9jn

03:23:12 assbot: User:Dd9jn - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1DEGomQ )

03:23:24 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: for keymaker - a smashingly great concept.

03:23:42 thestringpuller: have you not seen the matrix?

03:23:53 thestringpuller: why would you not one smith who can make any key for any vessel?

03:23:54 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: you go and fuck your wife, but you mustn't slip it in directly - gotta put it in this little gnome fella first

03:24:01 asciilifeform: and he sticks his in the wife

03:24:06 asciilifeform: any other way - treasonous.

03:24:34 thestringpuller: from this standpoint yes

03:24:51 thestringpuller: but concept of keymaker "program" entity/individual who is skeleton key maker

03:24:57 mod6: lol pillow pants

03:25:01 thestringpuller: is extremely valuable

03:25:08 thestringpuller: unlock all the things

03:25:27 thestringpuller: mod6: has been watching too many mc hammer videos

03:25:41 asciilifeform: ;;ud pillow pants

03:25:41 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pillow+pants | pillow pants. Pussy Troll. The parents place it in their daughter pussy. If a penis trys entering the pussy before the age of 21 then the Pussy Troll will bite it off.

03:27:09 thestringpuller: TIL

03:28:00 mircea_popescu: ...

03:28:20 mircea_popescu: so basically, by pulling a ssn out of my arse i have just about 1:2 odds of hitting someone

03:28:40 asciilifeform: aha.

03:28:49 mircea_popescu: and what's better, since they are re=used, you needn't only worry about your own indiscretions, but those of people long dead

03:28:59 mircea_popescu: this sounds a lot like getting used skin to live in.

03:29:01 asciilifeform: and for all of fiddybucks, a name, mailing addr., work history, political party, to go with it.

03:29:43 asciilifeform: generally the credit agencies are somewhat better at tracking deaths than, e.g., the voter rolls

03:29:43 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think this is the best proof possible that current usg does not expect to survive more than a few years into the future anyway.

03:29:50 asciilifeform: see above

03:29:54 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: this is probably how CIA makes assets these days

03:29:56 thestringpuller: or at least cover

03:30:21 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: it is a traditional algorithm for crafting fake people for official uses

03:30:27 asciilifeform: not even a secret of any kind

03:30:37 asciilifeform: (openly discussed in agency-authorized historical texts)

03:31:58 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: usg does not care (or even encourages, see earlier 'house-buying' postdoc story) about a plebe impersonating another plebe.

03:32:16 asciilifeform: when some hobo successfully impersonates obama, or buffett - then.

03:32:30 mod6: thestringpuller: http://youtu.be/-YaX2jLc_ko

03:32:31 assbot: Clerks 2- pillowpants - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1zmmcqA )

03:32:35 mircea_popescu: i doubt it's aware enough for something like this.

03:32:53 thestringpuller: good 'ol kevin smith

03:33:09 asciilifeform: who wants to be the first to buy a certified pre-owned (tm) ru nuke sub as mr buffett ?

03:33:27 decimation: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/23/us-usa-intelligence-mobile-idUSTRE78M5BI20110923

03:33:29 assbot: Not so simple: U.S. spy agency trying to go mobile | Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1zmmoX0 )

03:33:58 decimation: "Generals and others have been known to become so frustrated with the existing devices that they switch to personal cellphones to conduct classified conversations, according to a former U.S. official."

03:34:13 decimation: apparently nobody in usg gives a shit

03:34:25 asciilifeform: the 'obamaphone' (not the one handed out to paupers, the other obamaphone) is well-known at this point

03:36:25 decimation: http://ca.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idCATRE6BF6BZ20101216 < ""There's no such thing as 'secure' any more," Debora Plunkett of the National Security Agency said on Thursday amid U.S. anger and embarrassment over disclosure of sensitive diplomatic cables by the web site WikiLeaks."

03:36:26 assbot: U.S. code-cracking agency works as if compromised | Technology | Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1DEJEyK )

03:36:54 mircea_popescu: decimation they probably manifest that list of qualities which made "state' such a damning adjective in romanian.

03:37:07 mircea_popescu: to get an idea, picture blackberry today. in romanian it'd be "state ipad"

03:37:25 asciilifeform: decimation: that article has the beginnings of a glorious 'onion piece'

03:37:28 mircea_popescu: iirc in russian similarly.,

03:37:56 asciilifeform: 'of course we must assume that the adversary owns the network. this is why nukes must be expected to fly anywhere at all, .... ...'

03:38:42 asciilifeform: 'state ipad', but one nitpick, this presumes that somewhere there lives a 'normal' one.

03:39:00 mircea_popescu: no. just a... sexy one.

03:39:18 asciilifeform: http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/02/05/why-we-should-care-about-domestic-drones-and-how-to-bring-them-down << loltronic

03:39:20 assbot: Why we should worry about domestic drones and how to bring them down ... ( http://bit.ly/1zmnB0l )

03:39:20 mircea_popescu: people's disenchantment with their own wives isn't predicated on the theory that somewhere there's a sane woman waiting.

03:39:27 mircea_popescu: merely, younger, nakeder, eager-er.

03:39:30 asciilifeform: ^ recall mircea_popescu's 'nobody could have foreseen' article

03:39:33 decimation: asciilifeform: yes it's actually an extraordinary admission of usg's capitulation

03:40:10 decimation: "making things secure is hard, let's just give up"

03:40:22 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform heh reuters has a yearlong delay off fraudsters huh.

03:40:30 asciilifeform: decimation: psyops to make plebes give up sooner.

03:40:58 decimation: eh, I'm not so sure. the implication of that would be that usg is extraordinarily competent

03:41:48 asciilifeform: [insert 'meta-nsa' thread here]

03:42:03 decimation: aye

03:42:28 asciilifeform: 'A Homeland Security sensor deployed to spot ? but not interfere with ? drones flying above the Major League Baseball All-Star Game in Minneapolis last July ?cost several hundred thousand dollars to operate for just that night,? reported the New York Times.'

03:42:34 *: asciilifeform falls down from lulz

03:43:12 asciilifeform: 'The Secret Service uses covert radio-frequency jammers inside a Chevrolet Suburban that travels with the president?s motorcade. These devices disable remotely triggered improvised bombs. But because they have to disable explosives set off by a potentially large number of frequencies, the jammers saturate a wide spectrum, occasionally interfering with cellphones nearby.' << this deserves an aside

03:43:33 asciilifeform: the particular apparatus involved is discussed in reasonably clear terms in textbooks

03:44:21 asciilifeform: e.g., r. poisel's 'communications electronic warfare systems'

03:44:30 asciilifeform: ^ not a bad place to start

03:44:48 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu ^ 'g3n3r1c j4mm3rz!'

03:45:02 mircea_popescu: um... wouldn't you just set the bomb to go off when the jammer goes by ?

03:45:07 mircea_popescu: what are these people, idiots ?

03:45:26 asciilifeform: what's actually inside? unsurprisingly, a catalogue of frequencies used by cellular, wireless housephones, toy cars, teledildoes...

03:46:05 asciilifeform: wouldn't you set off << a) no, because, e.g., toy car or phone has a discriminator - required bitstring (a la 'MAC address') that must match

03:46:13 asciilifeform: to avoid interference from neighbours' teledildoes

03:46:20 decimation: asciilifeform: re: wasting money on 'security' < http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2014/10/01/white-house-security/

03:46:21 assbot: Philip Greenspun's Weblog » White House Security ... ( http://bit.ly/1DELVdh )

03:46:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66000 @ 0.00038944 = 25.703 BTC [-]

03:46:41 asciilifeform: b) if set off, because receiver was built from shoebox, string and dead squirrel - this is meant to happen -before- the truck reaches the mine

03:47:13 decimation: not if the bomb is sufficiently large

03:47:14 asciilifeform: decimation: see also 'wasp'.

03:47:15 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but you make your own reception.

03:47:29 mircea_popescu: set it to go off whenever a large collection of radiodildoes, phones and toy cars goes over it

03:47:50 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: americans themselves have a specially custom rocket that does only this.

03:47:56 mircea_popescu: right.

03:47:56 asciilifeform: and likewise most nations

03:47:59 *: decimation does not condone violence against any living thing

03:48:38 *: asciilifeform condones violence against chickens

03:48:59 *: asciilifeform and potatoes

03:49:41 mircea_popescu: i condone all violence that doesn't sit around waiting for my condonement.

03:49:49 mircea_popescu: wtf bs violence is this.

03:49:49 decimation: like your software license?

03:50:05 mircea_popescu: i guess so, huh.

03:50:18 asciilifeform: unlicense!

03:51:24 mircea_popescu: 'I don't want to join the bloody Army, I don't want to go unto the war; I want no more to roam, I'd rather stay at home, Living on the earnings of a whore.'

03:51:43 asciilifeform: https://medium.com/war-is-boring/the-chinese-military-blasted-a-private-drone-with-a-shotgun-5789a7483014

03:51:45 assbot: The Chinese Military Blasted a Private Drone With a Shotgun — War Is Boring — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1zmpIBo )

03:51:46 asciilifeform: ^ related

03:55:22 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/02/canadian-mans-letter-to-court-accept-bitcoin-as-the-one-and-only-global-currency/

03:56:17 asciilifeform: re: jammers:

03:56:27 asciilifeform: terrain tracking navigator is not such a hard problem.

03:56:34 asciilifeform: jam that.

03:57:28 mircea_popescu: duffel ?

03:59:23 decimation: re: ibm < of course the 100,000 person layoff comes after paying $1.3 bn to not make chips anymore http://www.extremetech.com/computing/192430-ibm-dumps-chip-unit-pays-globalfoundries-1-5-billion-to-take-the-business-off-its-hands

03:59:24 assbot: IBM sells chip business to GlobalFoundries for $1.5 billion (updated) | ExtremeTech ... ( http://bit.ly/1zmqNJt )

03:59:38 decimation: which is of course its only possible route to relevance

04:00:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3234 @ 0.00096158 = 3.1097 BTC [-] {8}

04:02:21 asciilifeform: !s ibm real estate

04:02:22 assbot: 2 results for 'ibm real estate' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ibm+real+estate

04:03:01 asciilifeform: how the mighty have fallen! and to think, ibm was once the sole source of jew list tabulators to nazis

04:03:36 decimation: asciilifeform: apparently real estate deals and indian shit-code are its core business now

04:03:44 decimation: kind like hp's core business is printer ink

04:04:00 asciilifeform: or texas instruments and the remaining pocket calculators

04:04:13 decimation: at least ti still makes chips

04:04:28 asciilifeform: 'makes'

04:04:29 asciilifeform: in asia.

04:04:34 decimation: well, yeah

04:05:33 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no but it makes them because "it controls the ip" or how did that line go/

04:06:07 mircea_popescu: nobody else could make ti pocket calculators for lack of ti chip documentation. leaving alone why anyone would want to, after ti paid for tha someone to build their plants.

04:06:40 asciilifeform: 1.5b for ibm's chip div. << state of maryland could have bought one and a half of these for the cost of road 200 (a recently built, money-losing toll road i frequent.)

04:07:15 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: surprisingly, the calculators use very well-understood, ancient components

04:07:23 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: on account of the designs dating back to the mid '80s

04:07:40 asciilifeform: as i understand, they've introduced a few devices where this 'problem' is 'fixed'

04:07:53 asciilifeform: (an 'arm' cpu, fat ram, and... an emulator of the 1980s calcs)

04:08:01 mircea_popescu: myeah. obviously point meant as a general - and thus indefensible - jab >

04:08:03 mircea_popescu: >D

04:08:08 asciilifeform: l0l

04:08:52 asciilifeform: http://www.farrellf.com/projects/hardware/2013-07-26_Overclocking_the_TI-83+_Graphing_Calculator/overview.jpg << not mine. but did this for a few classmates as a schoolboy

04:08:55 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zmst5B )

04:09:07 asciilifeform: ^ these were mandatory (!? i know) in the school

04:09:36 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ^ these were mandatory (!? i know) in the school << TI's survival is hinged to the "education standards" bezzel

04:09:58 decimation: asciilifeform: re: road 200 << I actually drove on this road a few times. it was pointlessly empty, as well as having a low speed limit (55 mph)

04:10:11 decimation: it was built as a favor to one of the wash dc land barons

04:10:14 asciilifeform: aha

04:10:37 asciilifeform: empty on account of outlandish tolls

04:10:55 asciilifeform: interestingly, speed limit could easily be enforced by the (photo-operated) toll machines - but isn't

04:11:11 asciilifeform: instead, there are 6 (?) policecars, in special '200' livery, at all times.

04:11:38 decimation: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/maryland-politics/post/agreement-allows-konterra-project-to-move-forward/2011/04/19/AF4neD7D_blog.html "The pact includes construction of a planned I-95 interchange with Contee Road near Maryland Route 198, and extension of Virginia Manor Road for access to the proposed 2,200-acre mixed-use development."

04:11:39 assbot: Agreement allows Konterra project to move forward - Maryland Politics - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1DERLLF )

04:11:40 asciilifeform: spot checks, so nobody actually drives the limit

04:12:05 decimation: asciilifeform: it is my understanding that the toll machines are 'banned' from enforcing speed limit

04:12:56 asciilifeform: i bet mircea_popescu knows what the pupils -actually- did with those calculators.

04:13:02 asciilifeform: http://guestofaguest.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/t1_drug_wars2.jpg

04:13:03 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1DES6y7 )

04:13:18 decimation: heh I used to play that game on bbs's

04:13:30 asciilifeform: decimation: same dynamics as the management of hunting in game preserves.

04:15:57 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you had a ti92. what was https://d3nevzfk7ii3be.cloudfront.net/igi/vYjLMFABxoRvDQUr.huge ?

04:15:59 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zmtH0T )

04:16:33 decimation: http://ww2.gazette.net/stories/04212011/busiplo163111_32533.php < " O'Malley thanked the Konterra developers, Kingdon Gould Jr. and his son Caleb Gould, for cooperating to allow the state to move forward with the ICC plan without the costs of going to court to acquire the land."

04:16:34 assbot: ICC pieces fall into place for Konterra ... ( http://bit.ly/1zmtPgR )

04:17:21 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: No, I had the TI-89, mostly the same except for form factor. I have no idea what that important looking rectangle is.

04:17:54 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: from five minute's dig, seems like it was a rom.

04:17:57 mircea_popescu: "And yet somehow the ruling class decayed, lost its ability, its daring, finally even its ruthlessness, until a time came when stuffed shirts like Eden or Halifax could stand out as men of exceptional talent. As for Baldwin, one could not even dignify him with the name of stuffed shirt. He was simply a hole in the air. "

04:18:02 mircea_popescu: dude... this puts mpoe-pr to shame

04:18:07 mircea_popescu: "simply a hole in the air" !?

04:18:18 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: toldya he was worth digging into

04:18:25 mircea_popescu: !up rodgort

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04:19:12 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: 89 was same "civillian" form factor as 83, On the 92 user accessible rom like that could be a thing.

04:19:37 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i had several. see log

04:19:51 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the original 'blue arrow keys' was best.

04:20:48 BingoBoingo: That it was. I wasn't a fan of the aesthetics of the redesign

04:20:55 asciilifeform: not just that

04:21:07 asciilifeform: the later grey blob, with the usb jack, also had... a boot time.

04:21:19 asciilifeform: (a second or so, but it much grated on the nerves)

04:25:00 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image_page.php?album_id=253&image_id=3667 << the 'plus module' from earlier. updated rom + eeprom (original -92 lacked eeprom)

04:25:02 assbot: TI-Planet | Voir l'image - Module TI-92 Plus ... ( http://bit.ly/1zmvdQD )

04:25:09 cazalla: ah damn that was good ghetto bouillabaisse

04:25:19 asciilifeform: http://www.cemetech.net/img/misc/collection2013a.jpg

04:25:24 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zmvine )

04:25:24 asciilifeform: ^ all of them, i think

04:26:02 BingoBoingo: That is a collection

04:27:29 BingoBoingo: The 86 was a good looking computer

04:30:55 asciilifeform: http://goughlui.com/2015/01/29/review-teardown-apotop-wi-copy-dw21-5200mah-power-bank << this wants to be a node

04:30:57 assbot: Review, Teardown: Apotop Wi-Copy (DW21) 5200mAh Power Bank | Gough's Tech Zone ... ( http://bit.ly/1DEWzkd )

04:31:38 asciilifeform: but, unless i missed something, no info anywhere re: ram on the board.

04:31:53 asciilifeform: if anyone has one of these, please pop the cover and take a photo.

04:32:32 asciilifeform: of the side not shown, that is

04:33:06 asciilifeform: i like that the 802.11 card - comes off.

04:34:24 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: has the best toys

04:34:30 asciilifeform: ^ not mine

04:34:54 asciilifeform: all i have is this picture.

04:39:56 decimation: asciilifeform: I like the 5.2 amp hour battery

04:41:58 asciilifeform: peculiarly high price tag, but perhaps will fall to somewhere close to zero as they sit on the shelves.

04:42:13 decimation: what's the point of the battery?

04:42:21 decimation: backup for power failure?

04:42:27 asciilifeform: these are, i think, meant to be used with iPnohe

04:42:41 asciilifeform: which does not allow expansion of storage in the customary way

04:42:46 asciilifeform: (no slots)

04:43:24 asciilifeform: but luser gets to stuff sd card or usb drive into this gizmo, which serves up contents over http

04:43:38 decimation: lol that's silly

04:43:54 asciilifeform: silly or not, apparently there are at least half a dozen makers of just this.

04:44:05 decimation: but it would be useful for powering all kinds of interesting widgets

04:44:09 asciilifeform: i looked at several when hunting for node hardware

04:44:14 asciilifeform: none had any more than 32m of ram

04:47:32 decimation: asciilifeform: do you know what cpu it has? some arm variant?

04:50:59 asciilifeform: decimation: interestingly!

04:51:09 decimation: ah RTL8196D

04:51:48 asciilifeform: aha.

04:51:57 decimation: mips64?

04:52:03 asciilifeform: for some reason sitting on the wireless daughterboard.

04:53:45 asciilifeform: 32, iirc

04:55:24 decimation: well the main cpu runs some kind of arm probably because it appears to run android

04:55:49 asciilifeform: there is a mips-android...

04:55:55 asciilifeform: (even x86, iirc.)

04:56:56 decimation: ah no the android software is running on a phone connected to the device, sorry for the confusion

04:57:23 decimation: huh I didn't realize google supported non-arm chips

04:58:27 decimation: actually that little device (wi-copy) would be a good buy just to harvest the parts

04:58:48 asciilifeform: not at the sticker price.

04:59:15 decimation: nah, but less than say $20-30

05:00:51 asciilifeform: https://wikidevi.com/wiki/Special:BrowseData/Wired_embedded_system

05:00:56 assbot: Browse data: Wired embedded system - WikiDevi ... ( http://bit.ly/1BZlpcs )

05:00:57 asciilifeform: ^ mega-list

05:02:15 decimation: ah that is handy

05:13:00 decimation: asciilifeform: http://bit.ly/1zVgaPU

05:13:03 assbot: HP Support document - HP Support Center ... ( http://bit.ly/1BZnc1h )

05:13:27 decimation: hp t5325 'thin client' < 512 mb ram, marvell 88F6281

05:14:01 decimation: $36 on amazon

05:14:37 decimation: looks to be 'old stock' though

05:24:01 asciilifeform: decimation: just about all of the listed machines are 'old stock'

05:24:30 asciilifeform: quite useless, unless one of us were to come across a gigantic crate of these somewhere.

05:24:51 decimation: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lot-of-32-HP-ThinPro-Thin-Client-T5325-1-2GHz-512MB-RAM-Flash-Factory-Reset-/331451731260?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4d2c100d3c

05:24:53 assbot: Lot of 32 HP Thinpro Thin Client T5325 1 2GHz 512MB RAM Flash Factory Reset | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1BZoDg1 )

05:25:15 asciilifeform: golden toilet.

05:25:24 decimation: $900 is a bit steep though

05:25:32 decimation: might be worth $300-400 at most

05:26:30 decimation: the whole 'thin client' idea is hilarious stupidity

05:26:42 decimation: 'we take away ur computerz so u can be productive'

05:27:12 asciilifeform: it came solely from folks writhing under the leather straps of microshit

05:27:34 decimation: aye. and for the secretary using 'word' it would be fine, more-or-less

05:27:38 asciilifeform: tired of spending money/labour on disinfecting 10,000 boxes presided over by tetris-playing accountants, or retail clerks

05:28:11 decimation: for retail clerks: why not serial terminals? what does the mouse gui add?

05:28:29 asciilifeform: because that was the previous usg monopoly.

05:28:30 asciilifeform: (ibm)

05:28:35 asciilifeform: the new one - requires mouse.

05:28:45 asciilifeform: 'shuddup & suck on it' (tm)

05:28:48 decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=02-12-2014#941070

05:28:48 assbot: Logged on 02-12-2014 03:31:49; assbot: Logged on 11-09-2014 03:44:22; *: decimation remembers every pos and library using said terminals growing up, only to be replaced with buggy-ass windows for no reason

05:28:52 asciilifeform: aha

05:28:57 asciilifeform: watched this happen.

05:29:19 asciilifeform: beautiful keyboards, too

05:29:33 *: asciilifeform ended up buying such a terminal (not from library) and using for a long while

05:29:39 asciilifeform: as a student.

05:29:45 decimation: aye, my first job was a library clerk, using an ibm serial terminal

05:30:04 decimation: had a 'laser scanner' peripheral, even

05:30:13 decimation: scan item, populates text box

05:30:22 *: asciilifeform still has one of those scanners. with the old stainless steel wand.

05:30:33 decimation: yeah that's the one

05:30:57 asciilifeform: glorious thing. emulated ps/2 kbd.

05:31:07 asciilifeform: (had rs232 port also, presumably for terminals)

05:31:29 decimation: I recall the library was running some variant of 'unisys'

05:33:00 decimation: neh, not unisys, unicorn by sirsi

05:34:40 asciilifeform: http://wikileaks.org/wiki/SirsiDynix_Corp_restricted_lobby_paper_against_Open_Source_technologies%2C_Sep_2009 << related

05:34:41 assbot: SirsiDynix Corp restricted lobby paper against Open Source technologies, Sep 2009 - WikiLeaks ... ( http://bit.ly/1BZpWM6 )

05:35:05 decimation: lol they saw the writing on the wall

05:35:21 decimation: actually they shouldn't have capitulated to the modern gui idiocy

05:35:54 decimation: today you could build a really cheap serial terminal, perhaps with 'e-ink' display

05:36:17 asciilifeform: the 'fast' e-ink remains mythical.

05:36:26 decimation: my wife's new kindle is pretty fast

05:36:33 decimation: but probably not fast enough for a full terminal

05:36:47 asciilifeform: folks have ported linux to 'kindle'

05:36:49 decimation: at any rate, it's moot because libraries in the us don't see the point in keeping books anymore

05:36:49 asciilifeform: can now try and see

05:36:55 decimation: hu

05:37:06 decimation: every year or two her cheapass kindle 'breaks'

05:37:23 asciilifeform: http://www.turnkeylinux.org/blog/kindle-root

05:37:25 assbot: On my Kindle I am root | TurnKey GNU/Linux Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1BZqgKP )

05:37:39 decimation: usually, the screen stops updating. I never bothered fixing it, figured it wasn't worth my time

05:38:08 decimation: I should try the hack to see if I can fix it

05:38:17 *: asciilifeform has a 'kindle dx'. no signs of wear after ~4 yrs.

05:40:00 *: asciilifeform sometimes wonders whether that product category would exist - and what it would cost if it did - if there were not a built-in chumpatronic collector

05:40:47 asciilifeform: (which one is not forced to use, unlike the one in certain very early 'e-readers', but tempts sufficiently many ESL (to use mircea_popescu's term) folks to bring in a pretty penny for the vendor)

05:41:14 mircea_popescu: the kindle ?

05:41:18 asciilifeform: aha

05:41:25 mircea_popescu: i don't perceive its utility

05:41:38 decimation: I think the ebook sales are mostly woman-porn

05:41:50 asciilifeform: i use it mainly for lib.ru

05:41:55 decimation: they can read in public without showing the embarassing covers

05:42:05 asciilifeform: (not literal lib.ru, long dead, but texts in general)

05:42:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93329 @ 0.00038887 = 36.2928 BTC [+] {2}

05:42:42 asciilifeform: as for the chumpatronics, i have no idea who uses.

05:42:52 asciilifeform: someone, somewhere.

05:42:53 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and if you need to bash something what do you do ?

05:42:55 asciilifeform: they keep making'em

05:43:04 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there's a quote collector widget.

05:43:09 mircea_popescu: no no

05:43:11 asciilifeform: with 'clitoris' joystick

05:43:12 decimation: sufficiently many people believe in paying for ebooks I guess

05:43:13 mircea_popescu: does it have a for ?

05:43:20 asciilifeform: it goes to a text file.

05:43:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34115 @ 0.00038959 = 13.2909 BTC [+] {2}

05:43:35 mircea_popescu: bash as in bourne shell, not bash as in take ntoes.

05:43:40 asciilifeform: ah

05:43:48 mircea_popescu: but fine, the notes : suppose you now want to write an article. how do you type, and how do you send it to fraudsters ?

05:43:50 asciilifeform: then i walk three meters to the actual computer, lol

05:43:57 mircea_popescu: suppose you want to say something here. like a quote.

05:44:03 asciilifeform: see above

05:44:06 mircea_popescu: o wait, this is like a woman that's useful as long as another woman is around ?

05:44:06 decimation: lol mircea_popescu no one types on the kindle

05:44:22 mircea_popescu: decimation my poinbt being, i can't really do anything of the intellect without the whole computer.

05:44:25 asciilifeform: 'kindle' is not a computer! it's this entirely specialized machine, like kitchen mixer.

05:44:36 asciilifeform: my mixer also does not run bash

05:44:37 asciilifeform: (yet)

05:44:39 mircea_popescu: but my mental life is not compartimentalized, like kitchen.

05:44:50 decimation: no, it's a 'read-only' device. the model is that the reader has nothing to say

05:45:00 mircea_popescu: but it happens that i oft do have a loit to say

05:45:05 mircea_popescu: and also i need to test and verify what i read

05:45:07 mircea_popescu: and so on

05:45:20 asciilifeform: the model is that one wishes sometimes to emulate a book.

05:45:26 mircea_popescu: in short, i know of no other process involving the noggin than the full process.

05:45:31 asciilifeform: (why to do this, is a matter of taste)

05:45:36 decimation: do you scribble in the margins?

05:45:52 mircea_popescu: in the book days i used to have my books filled with papers.

05:45:54 *: asciilifeform usually prefers to scribble in an actual notebook

05:45:59 asciilifeform: aha and papers.

05:46:04 mircea_popescu: as in, have someone to (cut, if uncut) and prefill with blank paper.

05:46:11 decimation: how do you scribble in an ascii text file?

05:46:32 asciilifeform: emacs ?

05:46:40 mircea_popescu: and the worst thing a maid could do is drop a wreath of books on the way to shelving

05:46:51 mircea_popescu: good god. a cloud of now useless paper, and a criminal eyed mp

05:47:12 decimation: asciilifeform: but how do you separate your changes from the original text? does emacs do this?

05:47:28 asciilifeform: diff.

05:47:31 decimation: heh

05:47:34 mircea_popescu: lol

05:47:40 mircea_popescu: what's wrong with > ?

05:47:55 decimation: I guess there are many simple solutions.

05:48:58 *: asciilifeform owns many peculiar machines on account of quests like 'program in bed' and 'read ascii/koi8 on balcony' etc.

05:50:06 mircea_popescu: i guess im a reactionary. i own, substantially, the exact kind of machine i had as a child.

05:50:24 asciilifeform: there is not, nor can be, a replacement for The computer.

05:50:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42900 @ 0.0003885 = 16.6667 BTC [-]

05:50:35 asciilifeform: you know, the one that is heavy, if you kick, won't move

05:50:38 mircea_popescu: it went from 16 to 64 bits, sure, but otherwise the box is exactly the same size even

05:50:41 asciilifeform: can hold a kg or 2 of dust

05:50:41 asciilifeform: etc

05:51:24 decimation: asciilifeform: like ibm AT?

05:51:30 mircea_popescu: i have half a dozen laptops which i use... maybe a day a season, or something, between the lot.

05:52:04 mircea_popescu: i borrowed an ipad for a coupla weeks to check out the games and i gave it back without regrets - more with relief.

05:52:12 danielpbarron: http://danielpbarron.com/patch_test.txt

05:52:13 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1BZscCX )

05:52:29 decimation: ipad is great for entertaining small children

05:52:30 mircea_popescu: i don't think anything ever was as stulfifying as the ipad game scene. perhaps the failed nes.

05:52:47 mircea_popescu: decimation but small as in 3 yos.

05:52:55 decimation: aye

05:53:05 mircea_popescu: yeah, that i have seen. there's a koi pond simulator

05:53:06 decimation: that's pretty much the mental model of the ipad

05:53:44 decimation: 'tap on large icons, receive reward' is pretty much intelligible for 12 months and older

05:55:07 mircea_popescu: extremely odd their insistence on no porn, either

05:55:16 mircea_popescu: that's pretty much the only non-infantile use of the thing.

05:56:18 decimation: my daughter loves her 'app' that forces her to re-order numbers, letters, and phrases to receive a cartoon reward

05:56:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53150 @ 0.00039794 = 21.1505 BTC [+]

05:58:31 cazalla: decimation, what's wrong with old fashioned blocks?

05:58:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1091 @ 0.00096053 = 1.0479 BTC [-] {7}

05:59:12 decimation: cazalla: nothing, she plays with them too. they aren't as portable though

05:59:46 cazalla: seems like a sure fire way to give your kid brain damage

06:00:30 decimation: eh, kids are gonna have to learn to deal with the electronics one day

06:01:21 decimation: I'm trying to teach her German, but it goes much better with a native speaker

06:01:37 cazalla: my plan is to avoid that stuff with my son for as long as possible

06:01:37 mircea_popescu: yeah, you want her to learn german, get her a german speaking dog/

06:01:38 asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/komp.jpg << try on laptop.

06:01:42 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1BZtsG7 )

06:01:44 mircea_popescu: like a shepherd or something.

06:01:47 decimation: there was a class locally, but it was canceled for lack of interest

06:01:47 decimation: lol

06:02:03 decimation: actually, I would consider getting a german-speaking au pair

06:02:10 asciilifeform: actual computer should be a -place-, not merely machine

06:02:15 asciilifeform: like church organ.

06:02:18 mircea_popescu: decimation bdsm site's this way -->

06:02:25 decimation: turns out you don't have to pay them social security or payroll tax

06:03:45 decimation: at any rate, that's all I have for the evening, good night

06:03:49 decimation: !down decimation

06:08:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41550 @ 0.00039803 = 16.5381 BTC [+] {2}

06:09:32 mircea_popescu: "One ought not to pay any attention to Hitler's recent line of talk about being the friend of the poor man, the enemy of plutocracy, etc etc. Hitler's real self is in MEIN KAMPF, and in his actions. He has never persecuted the rich, except when they were Jews or when they tried actively to oppose him. He stands for a centralised economy which robs the capitalist of most of his power but leaves the structure of society

06:09:32 mircea_popescu: much as before. The State controls industry, but there are still rich and poor, masters and men."

06:09:39 mircea_popescu: this guy was so fucking defeated...

06:10:00 asciilifeform: l0l!

06:10:28 mircea_popescu: it's incredible how defeated he was.

06:10:44 mircea_popescu: it's like... not even coinceivable how defeated.

06:12:23 asciilifeform: obligatory: http://www.pbfcomics.com/209

06:12:24 assbot: The Perry Bible Fellowship ... ( http://bit.ly/16KAK93 )

06:14:41 mircea_popescu: zebra penis!

06:14:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61900 @ 0.00038678 = 23.9417 BTC [-] {2}

06:15:20 asciilifeform: zebrahitler (tm)

06:15:44 mircea_popescu: this "people standing on magic carpets of the future" meme is so incomprehensible to me.

06:16:09 mircea_popescu: do people really have such poor grasp of basic mechanics as to not understand that if you're not walking, there's really noi reason to be standing ?!

06:16:35 asciilifeform: and before the 'stand-up desk' fashion, too

06:16:41 mircea_popescu: the banal observation that three hour's walk is pleasant, but quarter hour's standing unpleasant not exactly with them ?!

06:17:30 asciilifeform: oddly enough, there appears to be something to this

06:17:34 asciilifeform: more of a 'bed of nails' thing though

06:17:45 mircea_popescu: hm ?

06:17:50 asciilifeform: when i'm in the machine shop, end up having to stand, and it tends to keep one awake

06:18:19 asciilifeform: then again, perhaps it's the acute awareness of the sharp rotating bits

06:19:20 mircea_popescu: lo

06:20:16 asciilifeform: i'm told there are even treadmill desks

06:20:35 asciilifeform: (whether the treadmill actually powers the computer - that ancient dream - i do not know)

06:23:42 mircea_popescu: http://www11.kinghost.com/fetish/knapsack/images/bicm6973.jpg

06:23:43 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/16KDS4T )

06:23:54 asciilifeform: lol!

06:23:57 asciilifeform: stakecycle

06:24:51 asciilifeform: looks like the diddler is rigged to reciprocate

06:25:37 asciilifeform: who has not wondered, many times, about such machines

06:25:43 asciilifeform: whether exist, and where

06:26:13 asciilifeform: now we know - at least one.

06:26:32 mircea_popescu: i've not wondered much, kinda discover the potentiality and the actuality in one package as it were.

06:26:58 asciilifeform: ^ pictured unit yours ?

06:27:24 mircea_popescu: http://www.holisticwisdom.com/the-fucking-chair.htm in the same vein

06:27:26 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/16KFb3I )

06:27:26 mircea_popescu: ah no.

06:27:46 mircea_popescu: http://www11.kinghost.com/fetish/knapsack/bicycle182-brut.html whole set if you're curious.

06:27:47 assbot: Fucking bicycle ... ( http://bit.ly/16KFmMv )

06:28:59 asciilifeform: neato.

06:31:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 154000 @ 0.00039837 = 61.349 BTC [+]

06:32:23 asciilifeform: ;;bc,stats

06:32:27 gribble: Current Blocks: 342199 | Current Difficulty: 4.127287389469702E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 342719 | Next Difficulty In: 520 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 1 hour, 50 minutes, and 46 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 44686087306.6 | Estimated Percent Change: 8.26987

06:32:54 asciilifeform: 290291.

06:34:14 asciilifeform: phillipsj is quite a joker.

06:34:25 asciilifeform: 'January 2009 Completed The Insurance Premium Reduction Program at A and J Driving School.' on a cv !?!?

06:34:52 mircea_popescu: it does sound rather like something you get convicted to, doesn't it.

06:36:05 asciilifeform: the whole thing does

06:37:33 asciilifeform: i'm still waiting to read a cv with entry 'xxxx-xxxx - hobo'

06:37:46 asciilifeform: does engl. even have verb, 'to hobo' ?

06:37:55 asciilifeform: бомжевать

06:38:11 mircea_popescu: nevertheless, i imagine you see my point. what truly subtle meta-Agranov would come up with something like that ?

06:38:19 asciilifeform: srsly

06:38:20 mircea_popescu: the man's disarmingly plain.

06:45:03 mircea_popescu: lol@ filthy orwell, going full throtle into "the country is weakened by the war, now is the time to socialism!11"

06:45:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72450 @ 0.00039847 = 28.8692 BTC [+] {2}

06:45:38 asciilifeform: sorta did happen.

06:45:41 mircea_popescu: it's strange, this unseemly ability of felons, to hide the substance of their felony. first of all from themselves, and even should they be blessed with remarkable observation powers.

06:45:46 asciilifeform: dog barked - caravan moved.

06:45:48 mircea_popescu: yeah, but that's indifferent.

06:46:20 mircea_popescu: man can see what's wrong with socialism, but he can't see what's wrong with his own prose

06:46:40 asciilifeform: t. dalrymple (retired british shrink, wrote a number of hilarious books on psychology of criminals - and civ. decay overally) had a thing on this

06:46:47 asciilifeform: 'the knife went in, the gun went off'

06:46:53 asciilifeform: somethingliekthat

06:47:18 asciilifeform: testimonies full of animated, ambulatory weaponry

06:47:23 mircea_popescu: lol

06:47:46 mircea_popescu: i'd probably make a horrible judge, on the grounds that i'm generally inclined to let off everyone who kills purposefully.

06:47:50 mircea_popescu: that, at least, i can understand.

06:48:04 mircea_popescu: but none of this "accidental" talk if it is at all possible.

06:48:15 asciilifeform: he has a passage almost entirely this.

06:48:37 mircea_popescu: i guess i'd do okay as a lord with his own court in some marsh cca 1300, but otherwise...

06:49:05 asciilifeform: http://www.city-journal.org/story.php?id=1371

06:49:07 assbot: "The Knife Went In" by Theodore Dalrymple, City Journal Autumn 1994 ... ( http://bit.ly/16KJIDk )

06:49:24 mircea_popescu: o hey.

06:49:29 *: mircea_popescu reads

06:50:12 mircea_popescu: "The aim of untold millions is to be free to do exactly as they choose and for someone else to pay when things go wrong."

06:50:15 mircea_popescu: please is the word.

06:50:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25900 @ 0.00038584 = 9.9933 BTC [-] {2}

06:50:45 asciilifeform: fella was a prison shrink.

06:51:14 mircea_popescu: i had this girl... she was a psych grad. weighed about 50 kgs if dressed, and had spent three years as the prison shrink.

06:51:22 mircea_popescu: about half the population there, rapists.

06:51:41 mircea_popescu: the other half, murderers, arsonists, all sorts of truly pathological types.

06:52:07 mircea_popescu: she had oodles of stories.

06:53:30 asciilifeform: old prison hands generally do.

06:53:49 *: asciilifeform must have at least half a book-case of 'prison lit'

06:54:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45950 @ 0.00038423 = 17.6554 BTC [-] {3}

06:54:45 mircea_popescu: kinda what got my attention originally, i could read the girl's experienced, but it made little sense.

06:54:52 mircea_popescu: then i figured out... vicariously!

06:56:46 asciilifeform: at least, unlike the 'vicarious' engineering gurlz, she did not attempt to go and... apply

06:58:23 mircea_popescu: heavens no.

06:58:31 mircea_popescu: she didn't even attempt to write a book.

06:58:34 mircea_popescu: very pleasant girl.

06:58:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 6000 @ 0.00094869 = 5.6921 BTC [-] {16}

06:58:57 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-08-2014#816556

06:58:57 assbot: Logged on 30-08-2014 21:53:25; mircea_popescu: this "'KGB: the Inside Story' by Christopher Andrew" string reminds me of the "stop sending niggers then" joke.

06:59:04 asciilifeform: re: book.

07:01:36 asciilifeform: 'Violent criminals often use an expression auxiliary to ?My head went? when explaining their deeds: ?It wasn?t me.? Here is the psychobabble of the slums, the doctrine of the ?Real Me? as refracted through the lens of urban degradation. The Real Me has nothing to do with the phenomenal me, the me that snatches old ladies? bags, breaks into other people?s houses, beats up my wife and children, or repeatedly dr

07:01:36 asciilifeform: inks too much and gets involved in brawls. No, the Real Me is an immaculate conception, untouched by human conduct: it is that unassailable core of virtue that enables me to retain my self-respect whatever I do. What I am is not at all determined by what I do; and insofar as what I do has any moral significance at all, it is up to others to ensure that the phenomenal me acts in accordance with the Real Me.'

07:01:48 asciilifeform: ^ see also TLP.

07:02:21 *: asciilifeform used to suspect for a while, long ago, that herr dalrymple was tlp

07:02:29 mircea_popescu: sounds like pretty typical infantilism.

07:02:43 mircea_popescu: nah, this man is i think english.

07:02:50 asciilifeform: mr d? yes

07:02:52 asciilifeform: very english

07:04:08 mircea_popescu: !up phillipsjk

07:04:14 mircea_popescu: dja know how to up yourself ?

07:05:51 mircea_popescu: cool.

07:08:48 asciilifeform: (anyone who enjoyed 'the knife went in' can see a bunch more, http://www.city-journal.org/author_index.php?author=47 )

07:08:49 assbot: City Journal Author Index ... ( http://bit.ly/1KxaJq6 )

07:08:57 asciilifeform: ^ by no means his complete works

07:10:39 mircea_popescu: For example, they do not say of the policemen who they allege (often plausibly) have beaten them up, ?Poor cops! They were brought up in authoritarian homes and now project the anger that is really directed at their bullying fathers onto me. They need counseling. They need their heads sorted out.? On the contrary, they say, with force and explosive emotion, ?The bastards!? They assume that the police act out of

07:10:40 mircea_popescu: free, if malevolent, will.

07:11:05 mircea_popescu: this is pretty good, and an excellent display of why the reconstructive approach is so powerful in talk psychotherapy, and discourse generally.

07:11:15 mircea_popescu: "restate this about that, see how it sounds".

07:11:55 asciilifeform: e.g., http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=05-02-2015#1007943

07:11:55 assbot: Logged on 05-02-2015 06:31:43; asciilifeform: exercise for student: when you wake up, think of six entirely factually-correct - but disastrously intellectually-crippling - models for some commonplace thing or other.

07:12:27 mircea_popescu: "can't figure it out when a mater of abstract objects ? that's fine, do it over but with cunts and fucking this time. see if the carefully evolved mamallian brain isn't more a help than a hindrance in matters it's actually evolved to handle!"

07:16:28 asciilifeform: http://www.city-journal.org/2010/20_1_otbie-john-kenneth-galbraith.html << herr d. on.. galbraith. mega-flame.

07:16:29 assbot: The Galbraith Revival by Theodore Dalrymple, City Journal Winter 2010 ... ( http://bit.ly/16KPvZt )

07:16:44 asciilifeform: (yes, the galbraith of 'the bezzle')

07:19:53 mircea_popescu: "What, then, did I find to praise in Galbraith? In the first place, his personal example, which is encouraging for someone like me who has entered the later stages of his life. Galbraith wrote The Economics of Innocent Fraud when he was 96. That was the last of the approximately 50 books that he wrote, and he wrote them clearly, never giving the impression of wanting to be thought clever because of the difficulty of wh

07:19:53 mircea_popescu: at he had to say."

07:19:56 phillipsjk: so I read http://fraudsters.com/2015/gerald-davis-is-wrong-heres-why/ , and have been having trouble parsing the math formula. I have figured out that 1.25TB (about 3 years from now) is approximately 35 squared.

07:19:57 assbot: Gerald Davis is wrong. Here's why. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KxbKym )

07:20:10 mircea_popescu: this is impressive. imagine, men before public smoking was banned, living to be 96! and able to articulate themselves!

07:20:30 phillipsjk: Not sure how you derived the exponential function for calculating the year 2020

07:20:53 mircea_popescu: phillipsjk if every 170k blocks it increases 35 times, and there's 365 days to the year and 24 hours to the day and 6 blocks in a hour

07:21:07 mircea_popescu: it then follows that the size at any arbitrary point in time is...

07:22:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95500 @ 0.00039891 = 38.0959 BTC [+]

07:28:03 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this thing's merciless huh

07:28:14 asciilifeform: aha.

07:28:32 mircea_popescu: i like a man who can use the text.

07:28:44 asciilifeform: herr d. does not disappoint.

07:29:32 asciilifeform: incidentally, one of his first (or perhaps first?) works is a description of a voyage he took, to visit the major capitals of the communist world

07:29:36 asciilifeform: incl. (at the time) bucharest

07:31:02 mircea_popescu: bucharest is and always was such a hellhole the likes of which no one has ever seen.

07:31:03 phillipsjk: since the 1.25 factor represents the fist period: 3.23 years, the first number in the exponent must represent something like (n -3) years.. But 2009+6+3=2018.

07:31:19 mircea_popescu: this was my own experience, both under the communists and after, and it was recorded in 1800 by travellers

07:31:26 mircea_popescu: (it did not exist prior to about then)

07:31:49 mircea_popescu: phillipsjk the deleted 2020 is more of a playful rethorical device

07:31:56 mircea_popescu: don't get too hung up on it.

07:32:18 mircea_popescu: the point is simply : "not so very long".

07:33:08 asciilifeform: 'the wilder shores of marx'

07:33:12 asciilifeform: ^ book

07:33:47 mircea_popescu: this is mostly important because considering on one hand the uninformed low level arithmeticizing of reality prevalent in the esl world, and on the other the utter insanities passed for "graphs" on the forum, but also generally in the world - say that abject "cross model", people really need a little example of PROPER use of numbers.

07:33:47 phillipsjk: So you are implicitly expecting the block-size will be much larger than 20MB sooner than we expect as well.

07:33:47 asciilifeform: north kr, albania, ro, vietnam, cuba.

07:34:20 mircea_popescu: phillipsjk i am not seriously lowering the discourse to gavin's insanities. a matter of principle is being discussed there, not the irrelevant gargle of whatever derp.

07:34:49 asciilifeform: d. went to ro immediately before the magic xmas.

07:35:00 phillipsjk: good point. Gavin's proposal is just that: a proposal.

07:35:17 mircea_popescu: moreover, gavin is about as unfrequentable intellectually as quisling

07:37:04 phillipsjk: I think that is the most subtle "Godwin" I have even seen. (had to look it up)

07:37:17 asciilifeform: had to look up quisling ?!?!

07:37:32 *: phillipsjk does not read enough books

07:37:42 mircea_popescu: here you will have them forced upon you.

07:37:45 mircea_popescu: i know i do.

07:39:46 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, i think one could scarcely have better political education than a tour of the warsaw pact in the late 80s.

07:40:01 mircea_popescu: especially if one packed lots and lots and lots of jeans.

07:40:03 asciilifeform: it worked.

07:40:25 asciilifeform: not sure if he had the jeans (iirc, he went under the auspices of some medical society or other)

07:42:09 mircea_popescu: as i point out in some romanian article, denim bras had i managed to import would have been gladly worn by those women half the current .ro calls mom.

07:42:24 phillipsjk: I mentioned in PM that I assume the year 2010 refers to "mybitcoin" (found mention of it in a forum post Aug 17, 2010)

07:42:46 phillipsjk: "Consider the alternative of mybitcoin.com. It is a client portable to any web browser. You could keep the account/password in your head instead of on a stick. If you want to transact with another mybitcoin account the transaction is immediate too."

07:43:10 phillipsjk: much derp, to use the local parlance

07:43:23 asciilifeform: whatever happened to that crapolade

07:43:28 mircea_popescu: is this the first tihng that pulled a runner ?

07:43:29 asciilifeform: 'web wallets'

07:43:38 phillipsjk: yes

07:43:40 mircea_popescu: right.

07:43:57 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform remember the burt wagner, pedophile / gay prostitute / showman with the camera in demo mode ?

07:44:04 asciilifeform: aha

07:44:06 asciilifeform: vaguely

07:44:08 mircea_popescu: he massively pumped, and then claimed to have been victimized, by tha thing

07:44:10 mircea_popescu: is how he disappeared.

07:45:20 midnightmagic: "bruce" I think

07:45:30 midnightmagic: where did he claim to be victimized?

07:45:35 phillipsjk: no that is a different person.

07:45:41 midnightmagic: oh

07:45:50 phillipsjk: "From the desk of Tom Williams, operator of MyBitcoin.com"

07:46:03 phillipsjk: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=34770.0

07:46:04 assbot: Mybitcoin.com Press Release #2 ... ( http://bit.ly/1KxdTu3 )

07:46:26 midnightmagic: that the one possibly traced to hackcanada.com?

07:46:31 mircea_popescu: now i gotta check my facts, it's been years

07:47:18 mircea_popescu: midnightmagic you're right, the name's bruce.

07:48:33 mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVabnqRj_8I < for the curious.

07:48:34 assbot: The Bitcoin Show - Episode 012 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kxe3Bt )

07:49:32 mircea_popescu: the last episode of that thing figures prominently some hot shot kid that made a totally innovative super-great exchange

07:49:50 mircea_popescu: that then "was hacked", but it's ok, because everyone's balance was just going to be frozen and "repaid over time"

07:49:53 mircea_popescu: and then it went away

07:50:17 mircea_popescu: i wish i could remember the idiot's name, he was a reddit star for a season or two.

07:51:36 mircea_popescu: da fuck was his name, the hipster with the dumbass hat.

07:51:55 phillipsjk: "Tom Williams" paid people half their Bitcoin and disappeared. Mybitocin.com had a private registration is some tropical island country.

07:54:55 phillipsjk: Apparently Bruce is mentioned in the thread I linked: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FZldY-ZBBE

07:54:56 assbot: The Bitcoin Show - Episode 033 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1KxewDJ )

07:56:36 phillipsjk: wow, an hour long video

08:03:59 phillipsjk: 6:35: "..For example..Mt.Gox.. I have a bad feeling about them"

08:09:30 mircea_popescu: !up guest_____

08:16:27 phillipsjk: Is html allowed in comments on your blog?

08:21:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54380 @ 0.00039066 = 21.2441 BTC [-] {2}

08:32:53 phillipsjk: I see a newbie got a "page topper" in Deathandtaxes's thread. (I was totally going to post a link) :)

08:34:58 phillipsjk: ;;later tell mircea_popescu I enjoyed your latest blog post.

08:34:58 gribble: The operation succeeded.

08:48:48 punkman: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/59/CCCamp_2007_Datenklo.jpg

08:48:51 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kmnm9c )

08:49:52 BingoBoingo: Oh look at WP Matt derp about more things he has no idea about http://ma.tt/2015/02/real-nfl-scandal/

08:49:54 assbot: Real NFL Scandal | Matt Mullenweg ... ( http://bit.ly/1KmnxBA )

08:50:24 BingoBoingo: While also bending his "code art" into ways nothing on the web should be bent

09:28:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34500 @ 0.00039988 = 13.7959 BTC [+]

09:30:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38850 @ 0.00040006 = 15.5423 BTC [+]

09:34:43 punkman: http://litbimg.rightinthebox.com/desc_image/201407/gkdecb1405397886162.jpg that's a pretty small phone

09:34:46 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KmvJSi )

09:49:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40126 @ 0.00040006 = 16.0528 BTC [+]

10:05:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47800 @ 0.00040006 = 19.1229 BTC [+] {2}

10:36:04 phillipsjk: mircea_popescu: well, you may not believe this or like this, but... my banking depends on my gpg signature o.O < I wish the banks around here knew what GPG/PGP was. The card-holder agreements universally say: "You acknowledge that e-mail is not secure..."

10:37:43 cazalla: phillipsjk, how about.. you must pick a password between 4-8 characters, may not contain symbols or capitalisation

10:39:26 phillipsjk: that reminds me, I should complain about that. Symbols were required, but did not include ,|^= and at least one number was required.

10:49:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77350 @ 0.0004001 = 30.9477 BTC [+]

11:00:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 133777 @ 0.00039838 = 53.2941 BTC [-] {3}

11:12:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 26 @ 0.09001002 = 2.3403 BTC [-] {2}

11:16:00 punkman: "There’s an increasing number of farmers placing greater value on acquiring older simpler machines that don’t require a computer to fix."

11:26:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97600 @ 0.0004001 = 39.0498 BTC [+]

11:56:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60300 @ 0.00040081 = 24.1688 BTC [+] {2}

11:58:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84000 @ 0.00040094 = 33.679 BTC [+]

12:17:50 punkman: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/02/05/gnupg_funding/

12:17:51 assbot: Internet lobs $$$s at dev of crucial GPG tool after he runs short of cash • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1zf7ZHn )

12:19:21 kakobrekla: >Stripe and Facebook are going to sponsor @gnupg development with $50k/year each.

12:19:24 kakobrekla: oh my

12:19:27 kakobrekla: a whole 50k

12:20:00 punkman: he was living on $20k, $100k sounds fine

12:21:33 kakobrekla: snapchat billions, gnupg a few k.

12:23:42 punkman: geniuses are $60k a year, can't give him billion bezzlars

12:23:56 kakobrekla: myea

12:50:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34200 @ 0.00039894 = 13.6437 BTC [-]

13:25:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23450 @ 0.00040094 = 9.402 BTC [+]

13:30:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70300 @ 0.00040114 = 28.2001 BTC [+] {3}

13:38:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68330 @ 0.00039865 = 27.2398 BTC [-] {2}

14:01:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2500 @ 0.00096198 = 2.405 BTC [+] {3}

14:30:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88250 @ 0.00039187 = 34.5825 BTC [-] {2}

14:36:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00039738 = 5.0467 BTC [+]

15:04:30 thestringpuller: ls

15:35:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98500 @ 0.00039825 = 39.2276 BTC [+] {2}

15:37:33 mod6: morning :]

15:39:52 fluffypony: http://observer.com/2015/02/the-race-to-replace-bitcoin/

15:39:54 assbot: The Race to Replace Bitcoin | Observer ... ( http://bit.ly/18UpxDw )

15:46:27 mod6: fluffypony: ahh, yet another "genius" thinks he's going to replace bitcoin. *snore*

15:46:56 fluffypony: "Mr. McCaleb also happened to be one of the world’s foremost cryptographers, arguably in a class with Alan Turing, the father of artificial intelligence and modern computing."

15:48:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54922 @ 0.00039949 = 21.9408 BTC [+]

15:53:02 mircea_popescu: sigh

15:53:32 mircea_popescu: fish wrappers nec ultra fish wrapping!

15:58:02 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell phillipsjk: Is html allowed in comments on your blog? << some limited html. blockquote, a and i dun recall what else.

15:58:03 gribble: The operation succeeded.

15:59:29 mircea_popescu: punkman: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/59/CCCamp_2007_Datenklo.jpg << so basically, the only reason these adolescent boys have gathered there is to have a good pretext for not washing.

15:59:34 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/18UsTX5 )

16:00:25 mircea_popescu: phillipsjk: [...] < I wish the banks around here knew what GPG/PGP was. << it's because i don't use actual banks, but the well developed argentine underground system.

16:01:30 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: >Stripe and Facebook are going to sponsor @gnupg development with $50k/year each. << the only important point in the ruckus being, now we know gpg 1.x is perfectly fine and 2.x not entirely broken, and that there's absolutely no need to expect usable 3.x

16:01:46 mircea_popescu: at least we know where we're standing : what we got scares them. we'll fork it later on an' be quite happy.

16:02:12 mircea_popescu: but yes, the snapchat comparison is QUITE shameful.

16:02:40 mircea_popescu: fluffypony: http://observer.com/2015/02/the-race-to-replace-bitcoin/ << check it out asciilifeform someone's butthurt over gavin getting shot in the head.

16:02:42 assbot: The Race to Replace Bitcoin | Observer ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ky8SBs )

16:02:59 mircea_popescu: someone who was stupid enough to ignore the warnings, for that matter. o, it's not his fault, "nobody could have foreseen".

16:04:34 mod6: 30 out of 40 people say gox & ripple guy is mega-genius and in same class with Turing!!11

16:04:53 mircea_popescu: " The most exciting battle in this long war is taking place in San Francisco, and the town isn?t big enough for both Ripple Labs and Stellar, two of the contenders hoping to replace not just Bitcoin but the almighty dollar."

16:05:01 mircea_popescu: lol.

16:05:07 mod6: haha

16:05:41 mod6: this is what i need every morning. a good dose of solid lulz.

16:05:42 mircea_popescu: but even better, 1st comment : ""Vinnie Falco ? Top Commenter ? Software Engineer at Ripple Labs

16:05:43 mircea_popescu: Now this is some serious investigative journalism. I even learned a few things!

16:05:59 mircea_popescu: i mean, if you remember this schmuck, he's the "mr bigg" shill mpoe-pr unmasked on the forum.

16:06:09 mod6: srs "journalism"

16:06:16 mircea_popescu: he is now somehow a "software engineer" - heck, if randi could do it ?

16:06:20 mod6: lol mr bigg

16:06:33 mircea_popescu: and he is learning about his company from obscure $300 an article trade rags.

16:07:00 mircea_popescu: imagine that you know, if you had to run boeing with some engineers that went "oh, boeing makes planes actually ? gee i had no idea ty for clarifying"

16:07:14 mircea_popescu: "im a chewing gum aeropropulsion engineer."

16:08:56 mircea_popescu: fluffypony in case it wasn't somehow apparent, "someone" doth not mean you. it doth mean the still unidentified publicly person in charge of handling teh bitcoin problem.

16:12:18 mircea_popescu: in other news, "Warrior Forum 8:03 am 54 KiB How to reach the REALLY rich? - Warrior Forum"

16:12:32 mircea_popescu: gee whiz, i dunno. joining some retards forum, i'm sure o.O

16:15:06 fluffypony: lol

16:15:14 fluffypony: warrior forum never ceases to amuse

16:15:34 mircea_popescu: ever since the flaming idiots of get a freelancer bought it, it's seriously improved

16:15:36 mircea_popescu: comedy-wise.

16:15:54 fluffypony: lol

16:16:44 mircea_popescu: come to think about it : http://girls.twistys.com/preview/totm/12-2014/p01/p/13.jpg << there's a whoile brand of this sort of idiot in ther wild.

16:16:46 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/18UvWyy )

16:17:03 mircea_popescu: twisty's is a fine example : how to make atrociously bad porn out of ingredients found commonly in any porn studio.

16:17:16 mircea_popescu: it's as if there's a race of humans that is really, REALLY bad at anything they do.

16:17:43 mircea_popescu: because in any line there exists this company, which is extremely bad, almost as if it's self-parodic level bad.

16:18:10 mircea_popescu: truly atrocious sort of incomprehensible and unexplainable "you have to be there" sort of bad.

16:20:53 mircea_popescu: unrelatedly, in terms of the bezzel world, this is an excellent entry : http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datenklo

16:20:54 assbot: Datenklo – Wikipedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1KybteH )

16:21:24 mircea_popescu: so this article discusses the famous ccc modem. at the time, germans being insane as today, it was illegal to own a modem, and you had to rent the state company ones, which were incredibly expensive.

16:21:47 mircea_popescu: expensive enough to get people to where they'd root for copies of teh hacker bible, and then build a modem out of repurposed materials by hand.

16:22:15 mircea_popescu: and now, the meat and potatoes : ". Modems waren damals in Deutschland noch verboten, mit Ausnahme der teuren Mietger?te der Bundespost. Anfang 1987 betrug die monatliche Geb?hr f?r ein BTX-MultiTel 1 48 DM (nach heutiger Kaufkraft 40 ?) und f?r ein MultiTel 2 78 DM (nach heutiger Kaufkraft 66 ?)"

16:22:43 mircea_popescu: ie, it cost 48 Deutsche Mark, which "at today's values" would be 40 euros.

16:23:09 mircea_popescu: well fuck me sally, if they truly cost 40 euros at today's values then what the fuck's the problem, that's what internet costs today. what is wrong with these people ?

16:23:45 mircea_popescu: obviously nothing's wrong with the people, but plenty's wrong wit hthe "present values" equation, seeing how in 1985 ie 30 years ago it made perfect sense to spend a week and cut out pipes and whatnot to save "the equivalent of 40 euros".

16:24:04 mircea_popescu: more like 400, but then you'd have to explain 1k% inflation in 30 years,

16:24:31 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 10**(1/30)

16:24:31 gribble: 1.07977516233

16:24:40 mircea_popescu: ie 8% anually, which you don't really wish to do.

16:26:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64300 @ 0.00040158 = 25.8216 BTC [+] {2}

16:27:28 mircea_popescu: and in even other-er news, http://www.romania-insider.com/romanian-models-detained-in-prostitution-case/141548/

16:27:31 assbot: Romanian models detained in prostitution case | Romania-Insider.com ... ( http://bit.ly/18UxBnG )

16:28:19 mircea_popescu: that's right, i come from a country where you USED to have to be cool to be able to fuck most of the starlets on tv (prhaps with the show playing in the background, if so inclined). nowadays any schmuck with a coupla bitcoin can do it.

16:32:54 chetty: and you had to rent the state company ones// coming soon to us, internet public utility will make it so

16:33:11 mircea_popescu: quite.

16:33:44 mircea_popescu: it's really funny how the politics of this worked out : 1) buncha companies, unregulated market, bring the thing into existence.

16:33:57 mircea_popescu: 2) client companies of the state wish to be important. the market tells them to stuff it

16:34:15 mircea_popescu: 3) government steps in, sweeps the whole thing under itself, since 2 failed.

16:34:33 mircea_popescu: net result ? a frail, broken, centralized item to take place of the vibrant original and slowly decay. it's "just as good',

16:34:43 mircea_popescu: exactly in the manner 40 euros are "just as good" as 48 DM

16:35:36 mircea_popescu: either way, the only thing a functioning market can expect is attack, either by government agencies masquerading as companies, or else by government agencies actually admitting their government affiliation.

16:35:46 mircea_popescu: in either case, what can't be had in the socialist state is free market.

16:38:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72600 @ 0.00040167 = 29.1612 BTC [+]

16:46:51 mircea_popescu: "[Note: It is interesting to notice that Mr Kennedy, USA Ambassador in London, remarked on his return to New York in October 1940 that as a result of the war "democracy is finished". By "democracy", of course, he meant private capitalism. (Author's footnote.)]"

16:47:18 mircea_popescu: lmao. no, you dumb fucking schmuck. he didn't mean what unrelated term you wish he had meant. he meant what he said : the ridiculous notion that random people may speak on random questions.

16:48:20 mircea_popescu: "she said get lost and if i never see you again it'll be soon enough. by get lost, of course, she meant let's snuggle and by never she meant she loves me!11"

16:48:39 mircea_popescu: fucking psychotic logic.

17:38:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9961 @ 0.00039988 = 3.9832 BTC [-]

17:44:51 TheNewDeal: ;;Nethash

17:44:52 gribble: 326145878.624

17:45:02 TheNewDeal: ;;Bc,stats

17:45:08 gribble: Current Blocks: 342275 | Current Difficulty: 4.127287389469702E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 342719 | Next Difficulty In: 444 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 15 hours, 3 minutes, and 11 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 44694430246.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 8.29009

18:20:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9142 @ 0.00039667 = 3.6264 BTC [-] {2}

18:28:11 danielpbarron: i got 2nd pogo running; it's using my own compiled bitcoind (porta tronic non bastard) and it's successfully pulling blocks from my other pogo (running ascii's porta-tronic bastard)

18:28:43 danielpbarron: the 2nd one has 2 gigs of swap space

18:32:01 danielpbarron: weird, it hung up for a few minutes on block 3000

18:32:12 danielpbarron: but now it appears to be chugging along

18:32:40 danielpbarron: and again on 3500 ?

18:33:20 danielpbarron: gonna get lunch; will check in later

18:39:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 128787 @ 0.00040195 = 51.7659 BTC [+] {2}

18:58:10 mod6: thanks for the updates danielpbarron

19:05:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32405 @ 0.00040276 = 13.0514 BTC [+]

19:17:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27600 @ 0.00040361 = 11.1396 BTC [+]

19:23:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66398 @ 0.00040405 = 26.8281 BTC [+] {2}

19:32:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1600 @ 0.00096189 = 1.539 BTC [-] {2}

19:45:28 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 2) client companies of the state wish to be important. the market tells them to stuff it 3) government steps in... <<< see also the famous example of syntex corp. in mexico (carl djerassi!) - first mass-production of synthetic progestins, then nationalized, then gone - 'bad luck!'

19:47:26 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: Modems waren damals in Deutschland noch verboten, mit Ausnahme der teuren Mietger?te der Bundespost << this was SOP in the national telco monopolies of that period; most famously, in usa, where all line equipment, incl. handsets, was considered property of bell co.

19:48:26 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: phun phact: there are still a few hundred thousand idiots renting landline handsets in usa from lucent (who inherited that subdivision)

19:48:59 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865555052/Bad-call-Seniors-paying-thousands-to-lease-home-phones.html?pg=all

19:49:01 assbot: Bad call: Seniors paying thousands to lease home phones | Deseret News ... ( http://bit.ly/1CBQvw3 )

19:49:33 asciilifeform: and dollars to doughnuts, some forgotten government office somewhere is still renting a modem.

19:50:48 asciilifeform: http://www.qltcls.com/products/corded-phones << mindfuck. they still take new customers.

19:50:50 assbot: Corded Phones | QLT Consumer Lease Services, Inc. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CBQR5K )

19:54:38 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: engine where the piston was really just a magnet-bearing shuttle zipping back and forth through coils << i once saw a flashlight based on this principle. a real bitch to charge - much time and sore muscle spent in changing direction. but this would work beautifully for a liquid-piston stirling engine (see last night's thread).

19:54:56 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: conductive liquid, naturally

19:56:14 dignork: http://www.qltcls.com/products/corded-phones << rotary phones!

19:56:16 assbot: Corded Phones | QLT Consumer Lease Services, Inc. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CBRFrj )

19:56:59 asciilifeform: dignork: it is largely for ^ that american telcos still support 'pulse dialing'

19:57:23 trinque: an observation: the latency of the credit card networks is measured in days

19:57:47 asciilifeform: trinque: where?! in zimbabwe ?

19:58:00 punkman: i once saw a flashlight based on this principle. a real bitch to charge << I once took a design class where this was a case study of "innovation" and "green"

19:58:02 asciilifeform: trinque: or were you thinking of the lag from purchase to bank statement ?

19:58:03 trinque: asciilifeform: the merchant gets their money in days in the US

19:58:07 trinque: asciilifeform: corrrect

19:58:10 asciilifeform: aha.

19:58:22 asciilifeform: the folks who count (tm) get it immediately

19:58:27 asciilifeform: hence, from their pov - no delay.

19:58:39 trinque: asciilifeform: even that's more a temporary loan right?

19:58:44 trinque: but I guess if we're talking "effectively" sure

19:59:03 trinque: thought was this claim that bitcoin as-is is slow is complete bullshit

19:59:22 trinque: it's the fastest payment system I'm aware of when you consider the whole process

19:59:56 asciilifeform: punkman: flashlight... was a case study of "innovation" and "green" << the meat puppets responsible should be condemned to spend the rest of their days in oubliette, with only nyt to read, lit only by that flashlight.

20:01:11 punkman: I gotta dig up that textbook, many lolz to be had

20:01:13 trinque: +asciilifeform | the folks who count (tm) get it immediately << dunno that this is so, isn't "settlement" a thing to allow for reversals, etc?

20:01:32 asciilifeform: reversals get taken straight from the merchant's account.

20:01:48 punkman: plus chargeback fee ^

20:02:24 punkman: on that note, here is a gem https://ensafer.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/bg-app-showcase-adjusted.jpg

20:02:25 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1CBSFvJ )

20:03:03 trinque: even seven figure processing accounts I've seen take days to hit a bank account, or at least the next day

20:05:14 trinque: punkman: lol wow the future of p2p payments

20:05:34 punkman: it's a "secure" messaging app

20:05:46 punkman: I never thought of this https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9KqynNIUAEj87i.jpg

20:05:47 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KyHTpa )

20:07:00 asciilifeform: punkman: odd. i know of no car recent enough to come with a remote button, that doesn't beep/flash when locked/unlocked

20:07:17 punkman: people forget

20:07:41 asciilifeform: for some reason they never seen to forget to put on pants when walking out the door

20:09:32 punkman: I left my bike unlocked for three days, noticed today

20:11:10 PeterL: My wife's bike was once stolen out of our garage ... whoever took it left their bike sitting in our yard. It was the weirdest thing.

20:11:43 asciilifeform: bike laundry.

20:18:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26050 @ 0.00040434 = 10.5331 BTC [+]

20:32:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41249 @ 0.00040434 = 16.6786 BTC [+]

20:48:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24600 @ 0.00040434 = 9.9468 BTC [+]

20:58:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34100 @ 0.00040434 = 13.788 BTC [+]

21:10:49 danielpbarron: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Block_chain_download#Large_Catchup_Case << i think this is why it gets stuck every 500 blocks

21:10:52 assbot: Block chain download - Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1C1Xzgc )

21:12:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26950 @ 0.00040434 = 10.897 BTC [+]

21:15:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90708 @ 0.00039982 = 36.2669 BTC [-] {2}

21:31:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46950 @ 0.00039627 = 18.6049 BTC [-]

21:38:48 BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/02/amazon-exits-crimea/

21:38:49 assbot: Amazon Exits Crimea | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1C227TU )

21:48:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25200 @ 0.00039627 = 9.986 BTC [-]

21:56:35 danielpbarron: when i turn off my 1st pogo and let the 2nd talk to the rest of the network, it doesn't hang up on every 500th block; i guess there is some config variable that limits how many blocks to send to one peer per session?

21:58:19 danielpbarron: at height=27000 the memory is at like 70% used, no swap

22:02:55 thestringpuller: danielpbarron: what version of Bitcoin are you running?

22:04:25 danielpbarron: the official one

22:04:26 mod6: it's the portotronic version v0.5.3.2 right?

22:04:43 danielpbarron: it's with all the patches up to porta-tronic

22:05:04 danielpbarron: so everything on the homepage of thebitcoin.foundation + porta-tronic

22:05:16 danielpbarron: you can see exactly how i built it here http://danielpbarron.com/pogo-build.sh.txt

22:05:18 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1EMJlGe )

22:07:08 danielpbarron: might be errors if you run that though; i haven't tested it since i cleaned it up to look nice

22:07:10 mod6: ah, my mistake. ascii numbered the "Orphanage Burner" as v0.5.3.2

22:07:27 danielpbarron: oh hm

22:07:31 danielpbarron: maybe that's why

22:07:50 danielpbarron: the pogo with the longer chain is running the burner

22:07:57 danielpbarron: lemme try without that

22:13:56 BingoBoingo: http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/05/us/missouri-fake-kidnapping/index.html

22:13:57 assbot: Police: 6-year-old boy 'kidnapped' for being too nice to strangers - CNN.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1C5EbkQ )

22:14:57 trinque: BingoBoingo: they didn't sterilize the 4; doing it wrong

22:15:03 danielpbarron: how can a mom get arrested for kidnapping her own son? was the dad not in on it or something?

22:15:32 BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Looks like he wasn't

22:16:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72866 @ 0.0004035 = 29.4014 BTC [+] {2}

22:18:36 danielpbarron: looks like it's still stopping after 500 blocks even without the orphan burning

22:22:28 the_scourge: !s "orphanage burner"

22:22:29 assbot: 6 results for '"orphanage burner"' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=%22orphanage+burner%22

22:23:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51250 @ 0.00039324 = 20.1536 BTC [-] {3}

22:25:09 the_scourge: asciilifeform: i take it the reference is to the 'hopelessly out of order' meaning, not the traditional definition?

22:27:40 danielpbarron: it's supposed to dump the orphan blocks stored in memory to keep the pogoplug from crashing

22:28:29 danielpbarron: except it's a dirty hack, and the pogo crashes anyway

22:31:11 the_scourge: oh ok

22:33:21 the_scourge: what's the cheapest device that has usb 3.0? one can get super cheap USB keys on amazon, that would solve the problem

22:33:58 danielpbarron: the_scourge, have you been told to read the log yet?

22:35:43 danielpbarron: watching SetBestChain: new best= scroll by is oddly soothing

22:37:11 danielpbarron: ;;tslb

22:37:19 gribble: Error: Problem retrieving latest block data.

22:41:03 danielpbarron: height=49141 and i'm getting lots of orphan spam, swap space is getting used now

22:41:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66500 @ 0.00040434 = 26.8886 BTC [+]

22:42:48 danielpbarron: ah weird, it's still only going up in chunks of 500

22:44:38 danielpbarron: going back to connecting directly to my 1st pogo in that case

22:46:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80092 @ 0.00040445 = 32.3932 BTC [+] {3}

22:46:57 the_scourge: mircea_popescu: where did you get the idea for mpoe?

22:48:07 danielpbarron: ok and now it's getting more than 500 at a time connected directly to eachother.. wtf

22:51:48 the_scourge: danielpbarron: which block did it change behavior?

22:52:34 danielpbarron: !gettrust the_scourge

22:52:36 assbot: Trust relationship from user danielpbarron to user the_scourge: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/danielpbarron/the_scourge | http://w.b-a.link/user/the_scourge

22:52:59 danielpbarron: around the one that i posted above ^

22:56:06 danielpbarron: hm, and now the 1st pogo (longer chain) is stuck while the 2nd pulls from it

22:56:35 danielpbarron: i'm ok with that if it's just until the 2nd catches up

23:03:29 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: of course it will crash. esp. if you built it with max=750 (as in the patch) but with 250 likewise

23:03:40 asciilifeform: still guzzles ram

23:04:28 danielpbarron: here is something strange: when i sent "getinfo" to the longer stuck node, it stapped out of it and started recieving new blocks again

23:04:35 asciilifeform: what is really needed is the experiment suggested by mircea_popescu (or was it davout?) where difficulty-outlier blocks are shot on sight

23:05:04 danielpbarron: and simultaneously the shorter unstuck node, stopped getting new blocks

23:05:15 asciilifeform: the phoundation backport crap needs to go

23:05:46 asciilifeform: ;;bc,stats

23:05:49 gribble: Current Blocks: 342317 | Current Difficulty: 4.127287389469702E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 342719 | Next Difficulty In: 402 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 8 hours, 45 minutes, and 10 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 44872170693.4 | Estimated Percent Change: 8.72073

23:05:55 asciilifeform: and,

23:06:03 asciilifeform: 300539.

23:06:19 danielpbarron: how are you so far ahead :p

23:06:27 asciilifeform: recall, this wasn't a pogo

23:06:39 asciilifeform: but a generic x86.

23:06:53 danielpbarron: my 0.7.2 node took 2 or 3 weeks to full sync

23:07:10 asciilifeform: on what? modem made from dead squirrel?

23:07:21 danielpbarron: standard home cable

23:07:51 asciilifeform: this one is on 100mb fiber

23:08:12 asciilifeform: but otherwise unsurprising, this is the fifth day

23:08:21 danielpbarron: i didn't think bandwidth was the bottleneck

23:08:28 asciilifeform: luck is the main bottleneck

23:08:34 danielpbarron: i recall it taking just as long when i used bootstrap.dat

23:08:35 asciilifeform: recall how sync is from one peer at a time

23:21:48 cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/02/tour-of-a-chinese-bitcoin-mine/

23:21:50 assbot: Tour Of A Chinese Bitcoin Mine | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1zXzLiz )

23:24:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.10374042 = 2.0748 BTC [+] {7}

23:29:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21500 @ 0.00040506 = 8.7088 BTC [+]

23:30:27 asciilifeform: cazalla: interestingly, two faces at the ~6'26'' mark are censored out

23:31:09 asciilifeform: (and similarly, later in)

23:31:40 asciilifeform: http://youtu.be/K8kua5B5K3I?t=6m46s << run moar winblows! (tm)

23:31:42 assbot: Life Inside a Secret Chinese Bitcoin Mine - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DOjMRq )

23:32:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1151 @ 0.0009619 = 1.1071 BTC [+] {3}

23:39:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80100 @ 0.00040512 = 32.4501 BTC [+] {2}

23:39:23 asciilifeform: and, lol! why 'secret chinese bitcoin mine'? what is the secret ?

23:39:48 mircea_popescu: isn;tthat old ?

23:40:18 asciilifeform: new.

23:40:32 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/nickdepetrillo/status/563782000058695682

23:40:33 assbot: Welcome to the future: Philips HUE iOS app crashes and they pulled the app. I can't control my lights anymore. Send help.

23:40:39 mircea_popescu: http://www.infowars.com/economist-new-bill-turns-tsa-into-tax-police/

23:40:41 assbot: » Economist: New Bill Turns TSA Into Tax Police Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind! ... ( http://bit.ly/1DOlrGA )

23:40:46 mircea_popescu: and the noose ever narrows.

23:43:19 asciilifeform: the noose appears to be about the same width as previously (post-'01)

23:44:02 asciilifeform: (for non-u.s. folks: for many years, the guards have been running names through 'wanted' lists when you walk in or out of usa)

23:46:24 asciilifeform: 'Keeping gold in a safe deposit box is money laundering carrying up to 25 years in prison.' << fiction. (though 'deposit boxes' remain a hilarious scam. see old thread, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-10-2014#875487 )

23:46:24 assbot: Logged on 15-10-2014 17:38:27; assbot: Logged on 30-08-2014 16:11:44; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: re: 'coinbase insurance' post - little story. recently i had occasion to rent a box at a bank (storage of various paperwork for firm.) the contract was a hilarious read. bank only insures a box for up to 25k usd. and specifically excludes damage from robbery, fire, water... virtually anything.

23:46:45 cazalla: asciilifeform, prob the real owner and it's a staff member being interviewed instead

23:47:33 mircea_popescu: punkman:

23:47:33 mircea_popescu: i once saw a flashlight based on this principle. a real bitch to charge << I once took a design class where this was a case study of "innovation" and "green" << as it should be. if i recall correctly the russian name is "labour & light"

23:47:39 cazalla: mircea_popescu, it's old as in there was a photo of the psu dump out last year and it was filmed last year but new as in full clip released today

23:47:48 mircea_popescu: a ok

23:48:30 mircea_popescu: the all union vladimir obama pioneers will certainly enjoy the eco lantern.

23:48:44 asciilifeform: лампочка ильича!

23:49:09 mircea_popescu: Всегда готов!

23:49:40 mircea_popescu: lampushka iliusha hahaha

23:49:47 mircea_popescu: o god that sounds lulzy.

23:50:11 asciilifeform: incidentally, this phrase has been resurrected and now fondly refers to the (increasingly rare) traditional incandescent bulb

23:50:17 mircea_popescu: aww

23:50:18 asciilifeform: specifically vs. modern chimeras

23:50:38 mircea_popescu: trinque: asciilifeform: the merchant gets their money in days in the US << noob. it's date+60.

23:50:45 asciilifeform: for n00bs: illych's [lenin's] lightbulb

23:50:49 mircea_popescu: days, sure, in the sense bitcoin txn confirm "in seconds"

23:51:16 trinque: mircea_popescu: right, I was saying the "visa is so speed" argument is bullshit

23:51:24 mircea_popescu: utterly bs.

23:51:50 mircea_popescu: but then again, bringing arguments to people who never had any sort of life experience is not unlike trying to give serpents haircuts.

23:52:00 mircea_popescu: always ends at step 1) grow some hair.

23:52:15 *: asciilifeform was buying lightbulbs not long ago, and did a double-take when saw a line of specifically 'retro' bulbs, claiming to be 'precisely like those of edison's time' - and at least were genuine in costing 10x what one normally expects, and putting out 1/5th the light

23:52:37 asciilifeform: (also had the requisite rought-blown shape and the multiple filaments)

23:54:19 mircea_popescu: multiple fillaments ?

23:54:38 asciilifeform: http://www.industry-home.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Edison-Bulb-30-Watt.jpg

23:54:40 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1DnOnY2 )

23:56:03 mircea_popescu: oh i had some of them on display

23:56:42 asciilifeform: aha i recall