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00:00:05 BingoBoingo: Fall back to MPOE's OIX

00:00:07 ThickAsThieves: just build a better bet

00:00:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11955 @ 0.00082389 = 9.8496 BTC [-] {2}

00:00:28 ThickAsThieves: or even say, if Bitstamp is no longer trading 500btc per day, then this bet resolves as No

00:00:33 ThickAsThieves: two bets in one!

00:01:05 BingoBoingo: Most good Bitbets have at least 5 or 50 secret subbets tucked into them though

00:01:41 BingoBoingo: I.e. "Who could anticipate that S.Dice would cease to be a tradable thing"

00:02:13 ThickAsThieves: erik?

00:03:45 BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: See the Yes bet on February 23rd http://bitbet.us/bet/113/bitbet-will-we-worth-more-than-satoshi-dice/

00:04:07 BingoBoingo: Twas one of my better drunk bets

00:04:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC

00:04:59 BingoBoingo: Put 1 Twenty dollar Bitcoins down, recieve 5.86932711 hundred dollar Bitcoins

00:05:15 ThickAsThieves: thats why i love bitbet

00:05:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] [PAID] 1.83967000 BTC to 320`500 shares, 574 satoshi per share

00:05:36 ThickAsThieves: if yer gonna bank, bank there :)

00:05:44 BingoBoingo: And then I got drunk and spent most of them on Buttcoins

00:06:09 BingoBoingo: Lottery WInner syndrome

00:11:36 BingoBoingo: An exercise in "Contracts" http://deadspin.com/cortland-finnegan-uses-twitter-to-tell-the-rams-hes-le-1537223208

00:15:01 bitcoinpete: As much as I'd love to keep earning brownie points by chatting instead of just reading the logs like I do the scrolls, it's time to go for tonight. Cheers y'all

00:17:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.0696849 = 1.3937 BTC [-] {5}

00:18:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00082659 = 12.8121 BTC [+]

00:19:53 dub: project aaaaaaye bro, get on it

00:31:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0899879 = 0.27 BTC [-] {3}

00:31:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04243323 = 0.1273 BTC [+] {3}

00:38:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0880001 = 0.176 BTC [-] {2}

00:44:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00447 = 0.447 BTC [+]

00:45:00 BigBlox: hey guys can anyone help me resolve a bet?

00:45:45 kakobrekla: hi

00:45:55 BigBlox: hello hello

00:46:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.06700049 = 0.603 BTC [-] {2}

00:46:57 kakobrekla: if you are talking about bitbet, mods resolve bets, not some random strangers

00:47:22 BigBlox: hi, yes mods, they sent me here

00:47:34 BigBlox: hello strangers

00:47:56 BigBlox: are there any bitbets mods here?

00:48:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 400 @ 0.00082707 = 0.3308 BTC [+]

00:48:24 kakobrekla: perhaps, or maybe someone else will be able to help

00:49:21 BigBlox: k, well basically i entered the altcoin bet, that was to overtake litecoin, i said yes, i emailed and was told it was a scam, i said i didnt agree, specifically said i didnt want to cancel my bet, and it was still cancelled

00:50:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.00574998 = 0.1092 BTC [+] {3}

00:51:29 kakobrekla: which bet is that can you give a link pointing to a bet in the list of accepted bets

00:51:59 BigBlox: yes, http://bitbet.us/bet/621/any-altcoin-will-surpass-litecoin-in-market-capitalization/

00:52:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 347 @ 0.00446999 = 1.5511 BTC [-]

00:52:18 kakobrekla: how was it canceled, its is resolved as yes

00:52:27 BigBlox: the auroracoin bet :/

00:54:06 kakobrekla: yes what about it

00:54:54 Duffer1: perhaps you tried to send btc after the result was known but bet wasn't closed yet

00:55:55 BigBlox: i doubt it, it was still open a few days after i sent it

00:56:17 Duffer1: odd

00:56:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.00447 = 0.2459 BTC [+]

00:57:05 kakobrekla: time closing != time when result is known

00:57:36 kakobrekla: sorry, i should say !====

00:58:06 BigBlox: heres the date: 03-03-14 05:55

00:58:11 BigBlox: and it was resolved today

00:58:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 96 @ 0.00574997 = 0.552 BTC [-] {2}

00:58:39 mike_c: what was your bet? link to it

00:58:57 BigBlox: mine is the last one, on the 3rd for .08

00:59:38 BingoBoingo: BigBlox: Yeah, you bet after things were know it seems, but before they had yet to be resolved. Tis a dangerous time to bet

00:59:39 BigBlox: i sent it before aurora beat litecoin, then i wrote to ask if they were resolving it

01:00:12 BigBlox: i actually didnt know if it was going to but i believed in aurora from the get go so i was pretty sure :)

01:01:29 BigBlox: i mean i'm glad i got my refund, not trying to be a drama queen, but i was surprised i didnt win since i was the one asking, since the 3rd

01:01:35 kakobrekla: then provide the necessary evidence that aurora indeed aurora had not yet crossed litecoin mkt cap at 03-03-14 05:55 (it doesnt matter when you send it, it matters when you are confirmed)

01:02:14 kakobrekla: and -aurora once.

01:02:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 200 @ 0.0055 = 1.1 BTC

01:03:08 BigBlox: k, where do i send it

01:03:21 kakobrekla: this box is ok

01:03:32 BigBlox: i took a screen shot to show my friend :)

01:04:35 ThickAsThieves: http://www.scribd.com/doc/210845161/SEC-vs-pirateat40-1

01:04:37 ozbot: SEC vs. pirateat40 1

01:04:40 ThickAsThieves: http://www.scribd.com/doc/210845205/SEC-vs-pirateat40-2

01:04:41 ozbot: SEC vs. pirateat40 2

01:04:54 ThickAsThieves: highlights here http://buttcoin.org/pirateat40-became-bill-cosby-coins

01:07:36 ThickAsThieves: "The Fed is using curent exchange rates (3/3/14) to say investors were defrauded of $149 million"

01:08:54 BigBlox: oh before, i have shots of the time after it passed, how can i get that?

01:10:03 kakobrekla: http://buttcoin.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Screen-Shot-2014-03-05-at-1.34.57-PM.png

01:10:07 kakobrekla: smickles ?

01:10:14 BigBlox: i mean the bet showed up on the ledger, then the next day on the 4th i emailed, does that count or can i show you an email with the time and date?

01:11:08 kakobrekla: ok so what does an email help to prove exactly?

01:11:13 asciilifeform: wait - it's a civil complaint?

01:11:42 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Of course this is the SEC

01:12:07 BingoBoingo: I believe that point had been mentioned here before...

01:12:28 BigBlox: the site says the bets are resolved hours after, if i bet on the 3rd and it was resolved today, then isnt that automatically legit?

01:12:43 kakobrekla: no

01:12:56 BigBlox: BitBet Mod 03-03-14 at 07:38 It has to be a coin, not a scam. Aurora is a scam, not a coin.

01:13:09 ThickAsThieves: Gibson named!

01:13:20 kakobrekla: where

01:13:26 BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: As a beneficiary?

01:13:27 ThickAsThieves: you just linked it

01:13:31 ThickAsThieves: no

01:13:32 BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Your buttcoin link

01:13:32 kakobrekla: i did?

01:13:36 BigBlox: on the comments

01:13:38 BingoBoingo: Link just mentions meeting

01:13:48 ThickAsThieves: i havent parsed whole doc

01:13:50 kakobrekla: oh right, i does.

01:13:58 BingoBoingo: Need to read moar to see if Gibson is beneficiary

01:14:20 kakobrekla: BigBitz EVIDENCE

01:15:00 Duffer1: big one and number two.. anyone taking bets one of those was goat?

01:15:10 BigBlox: what can i provide? my bet went live on the ledger on the 3rd? you guys kept the bet live until today, not sure how that isn't enough

01:15:33 Duffer1: prove you bet before the outcome was known, regardless of when bet closed

01:15:39 mike_c: in that i am feeling generous tonight, and i think he's right:

01:15:42 mike_c: http://i.imgur.com/gssmMI7.png

01:15:48 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Pirateat40 does indeed have an outstanding criminal complaint, but that is related to domestic violence

01:16:21 ThickAsThieves: his middle name is "T"

01:16:23 ThickAsThieves: hehe

01:17:17 kakobrekla: oh, much wow mike_c

01:17:25 mike_c: i know..

01:18:05 mike_c: oh wait! it's wrong

01:18:06 kakobrekla: ;;later tell mircea_popescu get the whip out.

01:18:07 gribble: The operation succeeded.

01:18:12 kakobrekla: is it?

01:18:16 BigBlox: i took this right after it hit: http://imgur.com/mXt6XUa

01:18:25 mike_c: ;;calc (4 + 1) / 2

01:18:25 kakobrekla: ;;later tell mircea_popescu put the whip back in.

01:18:25 gribble: 2.5

01:18:26 gribble: The operation succeeded.

01:18:30 ThickAsThieves: How long have you been married?

01:18:31 BigBlox: other than that i'm not sure what i can give you :/

01:18:36 ThickAsThieves: Oh, man, seven yeras.

01:18:46 mike_c: the line is at the wrong time.

01:19:05 Duffer1: Thickasthieves thanks for that, pretty amazing stuff

01:19:05 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

01:19:14 Duffer1: the buttcoin article i mea

01:19:16 Duffer1: n

01:19:18 BigBlox: i bet before aurora hit 300

01:20:14 kakobrekla: BigBitz as useful as a default windows xp background

01:20:17 dexX7: fyi: blockchain.info is broken, https://blockchain.info/block-height/288788 misses 225 transactions (ids: http://pastebin.com/gsa0c3iQ)

01:20:52 Duffer1: so Shavers is proceeding without representation?

01:20:57 BigBlox: thanx mike_c

01:21:01 BingoBoingo: Duffer1: Yeah, it seems

01:21:02 mike_c: no, don't thank me

01:21:11 mike_c: i had the wrong time. it actually looks like you were late

01:21:16 asciilifeform: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=502952.0

01:21:17 kakobrekla: dexX7 http://blockr.io/block/info/288788

01:21:18 ozbot: The first line of defence is taken

01:21:23 BigBlox: lol

01:22:03 dexX7: yup, blockr is correct

01:22:16 mike_c: but if you want to try and prove, use those charts on coinmarketcap. from what i can tell, when your bet was registered, aurora was at around 4.5

01:22:25 mike_c: well above litecoin

01:24:21 BigBlox: how about my btc transaction, doesnt that show the time i sent the bet?

01:24:29 BigBlox: or ID

01:24:31 BigBlox: i sent from my wallet

01:24:34 mike_c: well, sent doesn't matter, confirmed matters.

01:24:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3500 @ 0.0001865 = 0.6528 BTC [-] {2}

01:24:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00447 = 0.2235 BTC [+]

01:25:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.0001865 = 0.373 BTC [-]

01:26:22 BigBlox: ok, thanx anyways, all good, it probably registered late :)

01:26:46 kakobrekla: yes thanks mike_c :)

01:27:01 BigBlox: thanx kakobrekla and mike_c in the place to be!

01:27:13 mike_c: you're welcome! pleasing customers since 2014

01:27:31 kakobrekla: and remember kids, customers are always wrong.

01:27:36 kakobrekla: (as seen above)

01:31:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 192 @ 0.00574999 = 1.104 BTC [+]

01:32:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 310 @ 0.00446999 = 1.3857 BTC [-]

01:33:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0055 = 0.275 BTC

01:33:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 159 @ 0.00574999 = 0.9142 BTC [+] {2}

01:36:10 ThickAsThieves: "and when did you first give your forum password to Copumpkin?"

01:36:32 kakobrekla: whut

01:37:17 peterl: who's giving out passwords?

01:37:52 BingoBoingo: Wait, is there trouble in veggie prison?

01:38:05 Duffer1: it's the shavers testimony

01:40:45 punkman: such deposition, no lawyer, wow

01:44:48 kakobrekla: http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=290799.msg5537766#msg5537766

01:44:50 ozbot: [ANN] KRAKEN.COM - Exchange Now Open with USD, EUR, BTC, LTC, XRP, NMC, XDG

01:44:50 kakobrekla: o lel

01:45:14 kakobrekla: thats what you get when retarded webdevs make exchanges, for the seventy fifth time

01:48:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3925 @ 0.00082388 = 3.2337 BTC [-]

01:49:00 ThickAsThieves: jcpham mentioned

01:49:24 ThickAsThieves: someone he returned coins to

01:50:09 ThickAsThieves: he did not return all of gigavps coins

01:52:21 BingoBoingo: "No, it is just a certification company where you have to take the tests to become certified"

01:55:41 ThickAsThieves: "I really wouldn't consider it an exchange. It was really more of a bucket shop" (bitcoinica)

02:02:14 copumpkin: ThickAsThieves: hah, where's that?

02:02:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 54 @ 0.00589997 = 0.3186 BTC [+]

02:02:48 copumpkin: oh I see

02:05:53 BingoBoingo: Fuku Scribd and your shit scrolling

02:06:50 kakobrekla: http://blog.gdatasoftware.com/blog/article/uroburos-highly-complex-espionage-software-with-russian-roots.html

02:08:43 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: old news

02:09:00 kakobrekla: sez 28.02.

02:09:03 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: also only a moron - or someone trying to shift blame - leaves readable strings in a trojan.

02:09:44 BingoBoingo: Prolly best to leave the strings out and fill the Trojan with Spartans

02:11:24 copumpkin: smickles: dude, he says you were in vegas when you weren't

02:11:31 copumpkin: unless you were hiding

02:12:13 kakobrekla: maybe someone pretended to be him

02:13:00 copumpkin: not as far as I remember

02:13:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1679 @ 0.00082313 = 1.382 BTC [-]

02:13:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58153001 BTC [-]

02:15:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 33 @ 0.00567 = 0.1871 BTC [-] {2}

02:16:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.00563118 = 0.1408 BTC [-] {5}

02:18:03 BingoBoingo: We might have to rent a Llama for all of the drama

02:23:11 *: jadne looks at BingoBoingo

02:23:36 *: BingoBoingo is tired of Scribd, digs out the old PACER login

02:24:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.0865 = 0.519 BTC [-] {2}

02:29:36 ThickAsThieves: wow they go thru every single pirate account holder one at a time...

02:29:48 copumpkin: fun

02:29:52 copumpkin: I haven't gotten there yet :P

02:29:54 copumpkin: this thing is long as fuck

02:30:51 ThickAsThieves: he mentions he used your account for other things

02:30:58 ThickAsThieves: but that the records are generally accurate

02:31:11 copumpkin: see, that does not ring a bell with me at all

02:31:17 copumpkin: we did fuck around a fair bit

02:31:28 copumpkin: but I don't give my passwords out and would be weirded out by someone else giving me their

02:31:28 copumpkin: s

02:32:32 ThickAsThieves: no this is referring to your savings account

02:32:44 copumpkin: oh

02:32:44 ThickAsThieves: he used people's accoutns to mask tx's

02:32:50 copumpkin: I see

02:33:04 copumpkin: why mine? :(

02:33:05 copumpkin: :P

02:34:43 benkay: where does the good stuff start, ThickAsThieves?

02:34:57 copumpkin: man, I'm in this thing a ot

02:35:00 *: copumpkin sighs

02:35:04 BingoBoingo: Fuck Pacer

02:36:03 ThickAsThieves: the underline what's interesting to them

02:36:13 ThickAsThieves: but what's interesting to us might be other stiff

02:36:16 ThickAsThieves: stuff*

02:36:19 benkay: "Bitstamp, you're now the replacement to MtGox. Don't screw this up."

02:36:23 benkay: mystical bitcoins, guys

02:38:05 BingoBoingo: I just can't believe Number 2, is this fucking Austin Powers?

02:38:47 ThickAsThieves: so many pages

02:39:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07000001 = 0.7 BTC [+] {3}

02:39:04 Duffer1: does he give any indication of who big one and number2 are?

02:40:19 ThickAsThieves: no

02:41:03 ThickAsThieves: an interesting thing that seems to be happening is he expresses full intention to make everyone whole, something he feels he could achieve, but SEC froze his accounts

02:41:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14150 @ 0.00082427 = 11.6634 BTC [+] {2}

02:41:09 ThickAsThieves: and now btc is worth so much more

02:41:20 copumpkin: sweet, I'm rich!

02:41:21 copumpkin: >_>

02:41:22 ThickAsThieves: in a sense i wonder if he would have

02:41:26 copumpkin: lol

02:41:33 copumpkin: how could he have?

02:41:41 copumpkin: you can't just pull money out of thin air

02:41:46 ThickAsThieves: well how much would it have cost him back then

02:41:59 copumpkin: it was still a lot of money

02:42:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 28 @ 0.06710001 = 1.8788 BTC [-] {8}

02:42:08 Duffer1: if he stopped accepting deposits and wasn't holding fiat at all.. and got lucky on justdice..

02:43:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.06695715 = 0.4687 BTC [-] {2}

02:43:12 Apocalyptic: <ThickAsThieves> in a sense i wonder if he would have // I'm pretty sure he wouldn't

02:44:20 benkay: "subfora"

02:44:27 ThickAsThieves: i wasnt around so i have no sense of it

02:46:53 ThickAsThieves: "Q: So a year after BST collapsed, you sent 202000 bitcoin to somebody who walked with it?"

02:46:56 ThickAsThieves: "Correct"

02:49:02 BingoBoingo: lol

02:49:04 Apocalyptic: copumpkin, so much for you anonymity heh

02:49:09 copumpkin: lol

02:49:14 copumpkin: have you tried googling my nick?

02:49:18 copumpkin: I don't try to stay anonymous :)

02:49:36 copumpkin: kind of annoyed that he keeps saying I have his password, although it doesn't seem harmful

02:50:24 BingoBoingo: Well, Moustakiswas the one to Bring up Gibson's last name, and the cubby white kid known as Goat is only refered to as Chaang Noi as far as I have made it so far.

02:51:30 benkay: "If you can adjust the price of bitcoin on your own through some market manipulation after you get them back from Big One, what do Big One's promises about what the price of bitcoin is on Mt. Gox matter?"

02:51:43 copumpkin: lol, pirate doesn't believe for a minute that goat's real name is chaang noi

02:51:44 benkay: "He's returning you bitcoin. He's not returning us dollars."

02:53:33 BingoBoingo: No one believe's Goat's name is Chaang Noi, but he proceeds as certain as does only remembering James of James Gibson

02:54:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 26 @ 0.00446999 = 0.1162 BTC [-]

02:56:49 ThickAsThieves: page 269 gets pretty funny

02:57:27 ThickAsThieves: they start antagonizing him over why he didn't perform days worth of computing analysis on the blockchain to provide more useful data

02:57:37 artifexd: "I lent 202000 bitcoins to Mr. Big Man and never got them back" <- LOL

02:58:48 BingoBoingo: I should have got a bigger bottle of Vodka for tonight.

02:59:27 ThickAsThieves: it's almost believable this wasn't technically a ponzi

02:59:33 ThickAsThieves: the wya he tells it

03:01:05 BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: He was clever enough to get three quarters of a million BTC under his control. It would make sense that he could try to frame things such that he admits to being a turd, but not that ponzi wop kind of turd

03:02:26 BingoBoingo: Thermos is mentioned on page 39

03:02:38 copumpkin: thermos lol

03:02:54 Apocalyptic: as Thermos with the "r" ?

03:07:05 BingoBoingo: Thermos because when you fuck up that much, you don't get the privilege of presenting yourself as an exemplar of Classic Greek values like sodomy

03:09:35 ThickAsThieves: "I tell you what. I'll give you a very detailed explanation of how the Tor Network works and how Tor mail works, and you can understand what I mean ... It's designed to not be trackable, not be traceable by any form of government."

03:10:12 asciilifeform: lol

03:11:47 BingoBoingo: Page 45 clarifies that Patrick Harnett did indeed have pirate exposure (page meaning sheet and not the quarterleaf the transcriptionist for some god awful reason assented to)

03:12:10 copumpkin: BingoBoingo: full account info is online, btw

03:12:16 copumpkin: so yes we know that patrick had a large account :P

03:12:44 benkay: where is full account info?

03:13:22 BingoBoingo: copumpkin: I know, but the scenario submitted some hours ago where asciilifeform clears the entire court docket because of poor signatures isn't a think we might as well read what is entering the court records as they presently exist

03:13:35 copumpkin: oh

03:14:23 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: either too much vodka, or not enough

03:14:40 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Far from enough to finish these filings

03:15:05 BingoBoingo: The modified anthem is an engineering problem

03:15:41 asciilifeform: sorta like atomic submarine was engineering problem for old jules verne

03:16:18 asciilifeform: i should note that the idea is lifted from neal stephenson's mega-backbreaker 'anathem'

03:16:29 asciilifeform: where people compute using song

03:16:49 BingoBoingo: Yet anothing thing to read

03:16:51 ThickAsThieves: done with doc 1, not a lot to highlight...

03:17:09 BingoBoingo: Fucking Penrose wasting years 2-3 of my undergrad

03:18:05 asciilifeform: if you folks only ever read one book i mentioned, read that one.

03:18:42 BingoBoingo: Fine, I'll pause Land of Lisp and get to it.

03:18:43 asciilifeform: (stephenson's 'anathem' not penrose's rtr)

03:20:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58152002 BTC [-]

03:21:06 Duffer1: mega-backbreaker lol

03:21:13 Duffer1: i loved that book btw ^.^

03:21:38 BingoBoingo: But does Stephenson have beautiful prose like "It is still unresolved in an 'absolute' sense. Kurt Godel and Paul Cohen were able to show that the continuum hypothesis (and also the axiom of choice) is not decidable by the means of standard set theory." Chapter 16 page 5

03:21:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.575875 = 2.3035 BTC [-] {4}

03:21:45 BingoBoingo: Hella lot of name dropping

03:22:13 ThickAsThieves: i'm currently reading REAMDE actually

03:22:38 benkay: Anathem over Gravity's Rainbow?

03:22:56 asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: reamde was, imho, total garbage. i was about to lose respect for neal s, but then heard that it was actually written by a chum of his

03:23:02 asciilifeform: and published under his name for some reason

03:23:05 *: BingoBoingo wishes he learned to beat machines into doing math instead of learning to do math personally

03:23:27 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: piratebay, then 'mathematica'

03:23:45 artifexd: Huh. I enjoyed Reamde. Especially the discussions of in-game economics.

03:23:49 ThickAsThieves: great...

03:23:58 ThickAsThieves: i'm not crazy at least

03:24:05 asciilifeform: it was an ok 'airport detective shooter' but very poor stephenson.

03:24:10 ThickAsThieves: been wondering why the fuck everyone loved the guy so much

03:24:22 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I actually have a copy of Mathematica from this Dubious "Edx" thing. Apparently it is some sort of mook for pushing software?

03:24:24 asciilifeform: because, afaik, it wasn't stephenson at all.

03:25:31 ThickAsThieves: Anathem ordered

03:25:41 Duffer1: good choice

03:25:46 ThickAsThieves: juggling too many books now...

03:25:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.00574997 = 0.23 BTC [+]

03:26:01 ThickAsThieves: need to take a flight somewhere to catch up

03:26:03 asciilifeform: damn i must've bought... 4... 5? copies of anathem

03:26:07 asciilifeform: for chums

03:26:21 ThickAsThieves: i just buy The Alchemist for people ;)

03:26:25 Duffer1: I did that with Perdido Street Station

03:26:32 Duffer1: by Mieville

03:27:02 benkay: asciilifeform have you ever read Banks Algebraist?

03:27:12 asciilifeform: benkay: nope

03:27:14 benkay: (Iain M. Banks, The Algebraist)

03:27:19 BingoBoingo: Oh, page 58, doc one, some gigaVPS preferential treatment

03:27:31 KRS-One: Algebait?

03:27:37 KRS-One: .bait

03:27:38 ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/e7f8897f95417aeee08e55703ac9183d/tumblr_mpn17nfBUJ1sq44lfo1_1280.jpg

03:27:54 benkay: algebaiter

03:28:32 BingoBoingo: If anyone else wants to read RTR I recommend starting with Chapter 29 and then moving to chapter one

03:28:53 Duffer1: rtr?

03:29:23 BingoBoingo: Oh, I prolly should not mention in plaintext what just fell out from between some pages.

03:29:32 BingoBoingo: Duffer1: Penrose's Road to Reality

03:29:52 BingoBoingo: Duffer1: Great math book with some maybe wrong physics editorializing

03:31:20 Duffer1: looks interesting, I have added it to my list

03:31:30 BingoBoingo: I seriously forgot I even had this x that fell out, and kind of forgot what the x was...

03:31:37 ThickAsThieves: "realizing net proceeds of $164,758 from his net sales of 86,202 bitcoins"

03:31:41 ThickAsThieves: ouch

03:32:13 Duffer1: ya the "walked away with 202000" made me cringe

03:34:31 ThickAsThieves: "And, so long as Shavers has an internet connection, he will be in a position where future violations could be anticipated"

03:36:09 moiety: mew

03:36:18 moiety: ThickAsThieves: you here?

03:36:30 benkay: it's just this crazy mess of overlapping concerns

03:36:40 benkay: of course it blew up on him

03:36:55 benkay: he probably got taken to the cleaners by several different people several different ways

03:36:58 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what just fell out from between some pages... I seriously forgot I even had this x that fell out... << http://imgur.com/dG7MOMB

03:36:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 7 @ 0.02199999 = 0.154 BTC [+] {3}

03:37:02 asciilifeform: perhaps this

03:37:43 moiety: whats ThickAsThieves's altcoin site again? bout to send folk there

03:37:49 ThickAsThieves: <moiety> ThickAsThieves: you here? /// for the moment

03:37:56 moiety: yay!

03:38:05 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Something lighter, more fungible. Book's to good to pull quotes from to use it for that even though the bulk and cover quality are more than adequate.

03:38:08 ThickAsThieves: the site for Altcoin is www.therealaltcoin,org

03:38:10 ThickAsThieves: .

03:38:14 moiety: thanks!

03:39:15 BingoBoingo: moiety: I'm almost offended you have a chat site for Doge (historical translations for that term are unpleasant) but not Altcoin

03:39:33 moiety: um what would you have said if i wanted to set that up?

03:39:50 benkay: BingoBoingo: you're too close! pull up! pull up!

03:39:55 moiety: just linked to it ThickAsThieves ... people were discussing what alt to get into, told them that

03:40:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 275 @ 0.00089499 = 0.2461 BTC [+] {3}

03:40:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 70 @ 0.0055 = 0.385 BTC

03:40:20 asciilifeform: moiety: the best alt is 'slavecoin'

03:40:31 asciilifeform: moiety: the only minus is that it has to be built first

03:40:39 BingoBoingo: moiety: I would have said yes, seems like a decent investment for a joke coin. Especially if the gambling bots could be revived.

03:40:46 moiety: lol i was about to say i hadnt heard of that one!

03:41:11 moiety: aye but we're just bleeding doge, its not a money maker

03:41:29 moiety: was just what was left over from loq

03:41:35 moiety: well, cc

03:42:17 moiety: kinda went doge because thats what we'd already been asked for ... more than getting btc back

03:42:24 moiety: weirdly

03:42:59 moiety: would you have even wanted invoolved in a chat?!

03:43:22 BingoBoingo: moiety: Maybe if it was Altcoin chat

03:43:28 moiety: i thought you thought i should give up altogether on it

03:43:32 BingoBoingo: Not Doge though

03:43:44 moiety: no i did worry about telling you actually lol

03:44:00 moiety: you havent disowned me though :)

03:44:08 benkay: where is your coinchat located, moiety?

03:44:09 BingoBoingo: moiety: THe chatsite thing really it seems can't work as other than a chumpatron

03:44:35 moiety: https:dogechat.net -- still lots to be done to it though benkay!

03:44:52 moiety: https://dogechat.net lets try that again

03:45:16 moiety: people are being bizarre about my photo already, im taking it off

03:45:26 Apocalyptic: why does that remind me of coinchat by TF ?

03:45:38 moiety: because its his code but heavily tweaked

03:45:39 BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: TF dumped it onto moiety

03:45:58 moiety: i think i was the only one that couldnt say no

03:46:45 benkay: pay much for it?

03:46:52 moiety: although it's doge, this one is going a lot better BingoBoingo .. it's like the start of cc again

03:47:02 moiety: not a thing, he wanted to get rid of it benkay

03:47:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1009 @ 0.0044 = 4.4396 BTC [-] {2}

03:47:16 moiety: and people didnt want it to close

03:47:29 *: moiety has mug on her forehead

03:47:54 BingoBoingo: According to the narrative I understand moiety was merely a bigger chump than the rest

03:48:15 benkay: typing while balancing

03:48:20 benkay: hie thee to the circus!

03:48:24 moiety: bingo, ive probably been the biggest after all the backlash when i was just trying to help

03:48:44 BingoBoingo: moiety: Well, the price was free for a reason

03:49:24 moiety: i did say no the first three or so times

03:49:55 moiety: i do like the people (mostly) and i feel bad just disappearing, you know?

03:50:08 benkay: *obligatory wolf joke reference*

03:50:33 benkay: "You have zero record of lending 202000 bitcoins to The Big One the second week of July, 2012; is that right?"

03:50:37 benkay: "I'm going to find it."

03:50:46 BingoBoingo: Two wolf corner a sheep to poll what is for dinner, the sheep has a Nagant

03:52:40 asciilifeform: nubbins around? he should draw this scene

03:53:08 benkay: i was thinking about the dick sucking, but let's not suffer nubbins` rendition of that, please.

03:53:26 asciilifeform: german and partizan uniforms optional

03:54:49 BingoBoingo: The Kalishkinov been trendy for decades, but partisans have been using the Mossin Nagant for more than a century nao

03:55:16 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: other nagan - http://reibert.info/attachments/n2-jpg.2913873/

03:56:08 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Involvement of their products really is a prerequisite for a proper world war

03:57:44 benkay: subject of, how's the promontory, BingoBoingo?

03:58:04 BingoBoingo: Which one benkay?

03:58:14 BingoBoingo: Price is hard to beat http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ProductListing.aspx?catid=7704

03:58:43 benkay: crimea

03:58:56 benkay: it's pretty funny how shavers keeps saying 'i see where you

03:58:58 BingoBoingo: benkay: Uniformed forces are still far away it seems

03:59:08 benkay: re going with this' just a sentence or two late

04:00:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 397 @ 0.00089499 = 0.3553 BTC [+] {2}

04:00:34 BingoBoingo: Expendables for the Mosin get expensive fast though http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ProductListing.aspx?catid=607

04:01:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 48 @ 0.00366086 = 0.1757 BTC [-]

04:04:20 benkay: oh this is amazing

04:04:20 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

04:06:00 moiety: we could make chess from those

04:06:11 BingoBoingo: Max Keiser's employer http://rt.com/usa/rt-reacts-liz-wahl-042/

04:06:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16605 @ 0.00082382 = 13.6795 BTC [-]

04:08:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.085 = 0.17 BTC [-]

04:11:28 benkay: is Vandroidy still around?

04:11:36 benkay: ;;ident Vandroidy

04:11:36 gribble: Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.

04:11:41 benkay: ;;gpg info

04:11:42 gribble: (gpg info [--key|--address] <nick>) -- Returns the registration details of registered user <nick>. If '--key' option is given, interpret <nick> as a GPG key ID.

04:11:52 benkay: ;;gpg info Vandroidy

04:11:53 gribble: No such user registered.

04:11:56 benkay: ;;seen Vandroidy

04:11:56 gribble: I have not seen Vandroidy.

04:12:14 benkay: 5kbtc bet against the BCST scam and not in IRC?

04:12:25 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo, Nagans: http://imgur.com/jxCM3h4

04:12:51 BingoBoingo: Putin takes Crimea, Us does http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/02/state-department-cscc-troll-terrorists-twitter-think-again-turn-away

04:14:44 asciilifeform: u.s. reduced to asking people politely not to clobber it, news at 11

04:15:15 joecool: man i wish the US would hire me to troll on IRC, just a few mil, i'd be down

04:15:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30900 @ 0.00082382 = 25.456 BTC [-]

04:16:23 BingoBoingo: joecool: Ask them to pay in BTC

04:16:41 BingoBoingo: Smaller number cheaper cost

04:17:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.08433333 = 0.253 BTC [-] {2}

04:17:41 joecool: true

04:18:11 joecool: probably costs them more though, they have them high speed printers for freedom money

04:19:10 BingoBoingo: joecool: How many links in the chain of eurocrats will protest though

04:20:25 moiety: BingoBoingo: didn't realise you came by til now

04:20:34 moiety: sorry i didnt see

04:21:30 BingoBoingo: moiety: Had to close the tab. Dogers were trying to talk to me.

04:22:08 moiety: lol i am sorry ... i can't shut them up (good for me though)

04:22:25 moiety: see i still have stuff to do as well

04:22:41 moiety: what did you think apart from the dogers?

04:23:19 BingoBoingo: Eh, looks the same.

04:23:52 moiety: i'm struggling with killing the cat, can't lie

04:24:18 BingoBoingo: I've heard feedback on that cat. "Doge site with a fucking cat?"

04:24:34 joecool: moiety: got a chinese restaurant near you?

04:25:00 BingoBoingo: moiety: You are familiar with wet dog smell right?

04:25:45 moiety: BingoBoingo: when we go to change it (we have doge drawings now); people complain as well. i think i'll get them to vote on it. and ew yes wet dog smell. fortunately, it doesn't rain much on the interwebz

04:26:02 *: moiety gasps at joecool !

04:26:34 BingoBoingo: moiety: What smells like wet dogs? also get some clips on joecool

04:27:05 moiety: we cats?

04:27:08 moiety: wet*

04:29:37 BingoBoingo: moiety: Maybe the politically incorrect thing doesn't translate well across the ocean

04:30:08 moiety: yeah i'm totally lost

04:30:51 joecool: me too

04:31:31 BingoBoingo: moiety: Fucking Crackers smell like wet dogs http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Wet+dog

04:31:39 BingoBoingo: ;;ud wet dog

04:31:40 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Wet%20dog | what a white person smells like after getting rained on, running long distances, or just getting sweaty/wet.

04:31:40 ozbot: Urban Dictionary: Wet dog

04:31:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 25 @ 0.02220042 = 0.555 BTC [+] {2}

04:32:42 moiety: lol sorry i have honestly never heard that before BingoBoingo !

04:32:46 joecool: same

04:32:49 benkay: moiety they'll never appreciate any work you do for free

04:32:51 benkay: so fuck 'em

04:32:57 BingoBoingo: Seriouly, white people smell like wet dogs

04:33:23 moiety: benkay: couple wee shits that were throwing tantrums at the old site are getting told to get to fuck from the new one :)

04:33:41 moiety: I smell like mangos

04:33:49 joecool: BingoBoingo: where you from?

04:33:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58999999 BTC [+]

04:34:02 moiety: mango body butter ftw

04:34:31 benkay: rub it all over y'self ;)

04:34:32 BingoBoingo: joecool: A place, Do you want coordinates in traditional 3+1 dimensional space or 2+2 twistor space?

04:34:53 moiety: head to toe afterr every shower benkay! i'll be a mango soon!

04:35:03 benkay: sounds tasty

04:35:19 benkay: great mangos in argentina, apropos only of mangos

04:35:21 benkay: .bait

04:35:22 BingoBoingo: moiety: Doesn't it frost in fogland where you are from? If you go outside you will die!

04:35:22 ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/de79cc75b73015807bbf9b6fa9a74a7c/tumblr_mffv6x5O741r13a9go1_1280.jpg

04:35:34 benkay: .bait

04:35:36 ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbpk8jnXRq1qg3cg3o1_1280.jpg

04:35:46 benkay: great mangos there, too ^^

04:35:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59 BTC [+]

04:36:09 moiety: i think that last bait is the best one yet

04:36:21 benkay: my mangos seem to have manufactured some meat for me so i'm going to man off meow

04:36:46 moiety: BingoBoingo: this is why im a housecat

04:37:13 moiety: practically freeze to death indoors

04:37:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.58999999 = 1.77 BTC [-]

04:38:13 asciilifeform: moiety: http://i.imgur.com/hKk5a77.jpg

04:39:20 moiety: asciilifeform: that's the best cat ever! is it real?!

04:39:29 asciilifeform: moiety: it is!

04:39:36 asciilifeform: moiety: it's called manul.

04:39:47 moiety: that man looks so pleased to see it!

04:39:51 moiety: how is it so big?!

04:40:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1352 @ 0.00018798 = 0.2541 BTC [+] {2}

04:40:06 asciilifeform: moiety: it's a big cat. lives in the steppes.

04:40:35 moiety: i need to live there

04:40:59 moiety: the guys with the german sherpherds look a bit deflated next to the cat

04:41:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62979 @ 0.00082309 = 51.8374 BTC [-] {4}

04:41:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.58999999 = 3.54 BTC [-]

04:42:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18288 @ 0.00082212 = 15.0349 BTC [-]

04:48:18 moiety: they are so pretty asciilifeform wiki tries to tell us they are small pffft

04:48:39 asciilifeform: moiety: approx. the size of two regulation housecats.

04:49:01 moiety: is the imgur one just a huge one?

04:49:18 moiety: its like 20 of mine

04:49:19 asciilifeform: moiety: mostly fur, i imagine.

04:49:28 moiety: oh how cosy

04:49:29 asciilifeform: moiety: and perhaps a little photoshop

04:49:54 moiety: no.. no photoshop. *denial*

04:51:51 asciilifeform: moiety: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_LGaK3oxIk

04:52:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38545 @ 0.0008244 = 31.7765 BTC [+] {2}

04:53:07 BingoBoingo: Steppes music sounds like Missouri music

04:53:30 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: afaik mongolia

04:56:11 moiety: asciilifeform: lol the music makes that video. i like how the cat tried to take on the blanket

04:56:41 BingoBoingo: That feral looks a lot my a friend's ex's cat, "Gracie" the beast was called

04:57:14 moiety: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fy8sKM_ZK4w BABIES!

04:57:18 asciilifeform: http://www.arkinspace.com/2011/04/manul-cat-that-time-forgot.html

04:57:19 ozbot: Manul – the Cat that Time Forgot ~ The Ark In Space

04:58:03 moiety: gracie is a lovely name

04:58:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 53 @ 0.00405 = 0.2147 BTC [-] {3}

05:00:15 BingoBoingo: Gracie is an ugly cat though

05:00:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 297 @ 0.00500236 = 1.4857 BTC [-] {4}

05:02:48 moiety: i am officially in love. those cats are amazing, they havent changed!

05:02:48 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

05:05:36 moiety: seriously, this thing just gets better: "When it is threatened it raises and quivers the upper lip, Elvis like, revealing a large canine tooth."

05:06:57 mircea_popescu: sooo pirate named names huh.

05:07:26 Duffer1: vegas conference attendees as far as i saw /didn't read the whole thing though

05:07:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 43 @ 0.00553604 = 0.238 BTC [-] {6}

05:08:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04279995 = 0.1284 BTC [+] {2}

05:08:41 benkay: some preferential treatment disclosed.

05:08:44 mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/486/james-gibson-aka-gigavps-to-be-named-as/

05:08:47 ozbot: BitBet - James Gibson aka gigavps to be named as Pirate ponzi scheme fraudulent beneficiary

05:08:47 benkay: hey mircea_popescu is Vandroidy still around?

05:08:49 mircea_popescu: that should be quite interesting.

05:08:53 mircea_popescu: benkay sort-of.

05:09:08 benkay: sort-of?

05:09:08 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell jborkl shocking, i tell ya.

05:09:08 gribble: The operation succeeded.

05:09:18 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell gigavps how's it going scammer boy ?

05:09:18 gribble: The operation succeeded.

05:09:23 BingoBoingo: lol

05:09:25 mircea_popescu: idiot.

05:10:08 BingoBoingo: Just think, time machine and you could have killed BTCST in November 2011

05:10:24 mircea_popescu: you mean april.

05:10:27 BingoBoingo: Maybe even April 2011 for 500BTC

05:10:29 mircea_popescu: o 2011. heh.

05:10:38 mircea_popescu: you know i wasn't even there ;/

05:10:41 BingoBoingo: But then you'd miss Harnet

05:10:56 mircea_popescu: what do you want from me, i only showed up that summer

05:11:08 mircea_popescu: takes someone A FEW MONTHS to catch up and spread the roots you know ?

05:11:25 mircea_popescu: kinda how i ended up with "6 months". if it took me ~3...

05:12:10 BingoBoingo: Oh, if only S.TimeMachine was a thing

05:12:43 mircea_popescu: anyway, BingoBoingo : if i HAD done that, for all the laurels and glory (which no noobs can be bothered to even know about, so... it doesn't help THEM) the "community" of fucktards would have actually fallen for a much bigger ponzi much later,

05:12:53 mircea_popescu: that i'd have been equally powerless to do anything about

05:13:08 BingoBoingo: Eh, much later ponzi might have taught more

05:13:08 mircea_popescu: because the scammer would have said "this time it's different", and the way the primate brain works that'd have been enough.

05:13:21 mircea_popescu: so... ironically it'd have been a lot worse for everyone.

05:13:30 BingoBoingo: These are the reasons I drink to consult my lizard brain

05:13:39 mircea_popescu: heh

05:13:44 benkay: oh, there won't be any more ponzi's in bitcoin?

05:14:00 mircea_popescu: benkay yes, there will be. just copumpkin won't be whitenighting them.

05:14:17 mircea_popescu: which obviously i mean in a general manner. well meaning but naive geeks will know to defer that time

05:14:25 mircea_popescu: as they didn't previously.

05:15:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39711 @ 0.00082727 = 32.8517 BTC [+]

05:16:07 benkay: if not last season's socks, a new seasons. what's the actual difference?

05:16:28 mircea_popescu: no, there's a difference.

05:16:43 mircea_popescu: bitcoin is non inflationary. this makes early things dwarf late things in importance.

05:17:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.11300001 = 0.226 BTC [-]

05:17:42 mircea_popescu: anyway, funny how this guy's brain works. so he gets summoned, and he responds. *then* he feigns to ignore further proceedings.

05:17:54 mircea_popescu: which, as you pointed out, is real fucking smart. and now he actually responds.

05:18:06 mircea_popescu: possibly worst legal strategy of the century award.

05:18:33 benkay: twitter 'strategy'

05:18:36 Duffer1: that and going it without representation

05:18:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.11300001 = 0.226 BTC [-]

05:18:55 benkay: mircea_popescu would have you believe representation is for the weak of mind, Duffer1

05:18:59 Duffer1: and admitting to not reading the subpeona where it asks him to retain certain information..

05:19:15 mircea_popescu: benkay wait what ?!

05:19:31 mircea_popescu: o o nm i read it backwards. yes, it is. and yes, he is. so...

05:20:34 mircea_popescu: ahahahaah o jesus god, "do you know reeses_ name ?" "art. a-r-t" "and last name ?" "i have no idea"

05:20:57 mircea_popescu: "and do you watch seinfeld ?" "yes i do!" "do you understand anything ?" "well as much as anyone on the forum ever understands of what's going on before their eyes

05:20:59 mircea_popescu: "

05:21:36 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It took the SEC dude to throw out Giga's last name

05:21:57 mircea_popescu: what was it, "llc" ?

05:22:19 mircea_popescu: hay folks my name is james llc, for srs. let's do some business which then i'll pretend is covered by the company named after me.

05:22:26 BingoBoingo: lol

05:22:53 benkay: didja get to "business cognition"?

05:22:59 mircea_popescu: because that is totally how limited liability works, you hafta not disclose it and misrepresent it to be shielded.

05:23:24 mircea_popescu: benkay i'm not reading that shit, just got some parts sent over

05:23:27 mircea_popescu: why, is it that good ?

05:24:05 benkay: it's what he owes his father or uncle some money for

05:24:14 benkay: http://www.linkedin.com/company/business-cognition

05:24:15 ozbot: Business Cognition | LinkedIn

05:24:19 benkay: resolving to http://www.buscog.com/

05:24:26 mircea_popescu: heh.

05:24:41 mircea_popescu: you know it makes you wonder aboput the united states.

05:24:56 mircea_popescu: in that you know, twentysomethings end up in troubkel all over the world, by virtue of being kids

05:25:19 mircea_popescu: but they customarily hide their stupidity from family and esp senior male relatives

05:25:40 mircea_popescu: in the us tho, it's backwards, they do it as a joint venture. so are there no males in that country over the mental age of ~17 or what the fuck ?

05:26:21 mircea_popescu: i mean i used to think it's only the case for poor black people, lil wayne and whatnot. then i thought it's only the case for poor people generally. now i'm starting to think its simply what the murican male is. the us culture, if you will.

05:26:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 700 @ 0.0001865 = 0.1306 BTC [-]

05:26:48 BingoBoingo: Of the two parts of the Pirate at 40 shit, part one is definitely the lulzier one

05:27:13 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo or whoever feels like it : why not make a curated version on yer blogs ?

05:27:42 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It is too old for me to provide solid context.

05:27:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.004041 = 0.101 BTC [-]

05:27:59 mircea_popescu: (the hidden benefit here is this : through curating it you expose your unknowledge to scrutiny, ie, if you cut out something that turns out to have been important you get to learn it was, and so fix your head)

05:28:19 benkay: i've published some bits.

05:28:38 BingoBoingo: I really haven't found unimportant bits yet.

05:28:48 mircea_popescu: benkay ya but it has to be exhaustive for the thing to work, otherwise the narcissist self always cops out to "Well it was just some bits". and besides, weren't you coding ?

05:28:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0428 = 0.2568 BTC [+]

05:28:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 60 @ 0.004041 = 0.2425 BTC [-]

05:29:01 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo well then that's also illustrative :D

05:29:28 benkay: should be yeah

05:29:32 BingoBoingo: There's stupid from both Pirate and the SEC stooge

05:30:08 BingoBoingo: Eastern District of Texas is a BTC no mans land

05:30:26 chetty: hmm I wonder, the SEC seems to be trying to imply that BigOne and #2 were the same person, wonder if they have somethiing there? If either one actually existed of course

05:30:46 benkay: there's a pretty hilarious interchange where Shavers says something retarded and the stooge asks "you're getting a job at support dot com, right?"

05:31:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 22 @ 0.0055 = 0.121 BTC

05:32:32 joecool: benkay: when i saw that i remembered noted other OTC scammer aethero works at support.com

05:32:36 BingoBoingo: chetty: I think SEC is trying to trap that BIg One and Number two are figments of Pirate's imagination

05:32:38 joecool: those two are probably BFF's

05:32:55 BingoBoingo: joecool: They might be the same

05:33:05 joecool: aethero sure had a lot of figments of his imagination

05:33:09 HeySteve: I linked to MPOE-PR's Bitcoin Foundation thread, I think it's good they get called to account

05:33:46 joecool: aethero still has great trust :P

05:33:49 joecool: ;;gettrust aethero

05:33:50 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user joecool to user aethero: Level 1: -10, Level 2: 3 via 18 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=joecool&dest=aethero | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=aethero | Rated since: Wed May 2 19:24:52 2012

05:34:15 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo by the way, an important point : the reason the "media" sucks is not that they've sold out or follow external policies or w/e. it's that they are writing WITH THEIR READER IN MIND. the former then flows from this naturally, but it does not make a difference if you write with the reader in mind so as to advertise to it, or save its soul or merely inform it. it's all the same, and it's wrong.

05:34:46 mircea_popescu: write for yourself, as your own thing. think of it as picking up women : you don't puick up women by picking up women, you pick up women by doing *any other thing*

05:35:27 mircea_popescu: joecool course in fairness aethero is more like noted lunatic.

05:36:06 mircea_popescu: and he doesn't seem to have that great trust neh ?

05:36:10 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust aethero

05:36:10 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user aethero: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 17 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=aethero | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=aethero | Rated since: Wed May 2 19:24:52 2012

05:36:36 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well it turn out this n00b sports betting guide is turning in to a bunch of parts I need to organize for my own benefit.

05:36:49 BingoBoingo: A good portion of it is already in the logs

05:36:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 308 @ 0.004041 = 1.2446 BTC [-]

05:37:01 mircea_popescu: a ok, that works too.

05:37:14 benkay: heh i saw EV- and moved on

05:37:51 BingoBoingo: It's just the machine language of the lizard brain I consult for bets is rather dense.

05:37:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7150 @ 0.00082658 = 5.91 BTC [-]

05:38:30 BingoBoingo: benkay: SOme bets can be plus EV, It is just there is a 2+ month wait between those.

05:38:47 benkay: i'm already long bitcoin

05:38:53 benkay: seems crazy enough for this decade

05:38:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 53 @ 0.004041 = 0.2142 BTC [-] {2}

05:39:17 BingoBoingo: Gambling as entertainment and Gambling as pseudo-investment are very different things.

05:39:46 mircea_popescu: gesus god check out asciilifeform being quotable : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2014#548251 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2014#548254

05:39:50 mircea_popescu: it's like he's on a roll

05:39:54 BingoBoingo: As a mentioned a while ago the best reason to bet on an outcome is to make the watching it more enjoyable

05:40:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 459 @ 0.004041 = 1.8548 BTC [-] {2}

05:40:36 BingoBoingo: Yeah asciilifeform has been so quatable today

05:41:03 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: even linked http://i.imgur.com/hKk5a77.jpg

05:41:56 mircea_popescu: im totally stealing this and publishing it myself.

05:41:58 mircea_popescu: it's too good.

05:42:47 BingoBoingo: lol

05:43:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2300 @ 0.00082727 = 1.9027 BTC [+]

05:43:03 mircea_popescu: cads so ask.

05:44:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 54 @ 0.004041 = 0.2182 BTC [-]

05:46:00 Duffer1: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=502567.0

05:46:02 ozbot: Project Abro

05:46:13 Duffer1: "Whatever I talk, I do with you, for you must benefit you. Further, the funds you spend on my way to be purposefully utilized."

05:46:47 benkay: ABROOOOOO

05:46:50 benkay: amazing

05:46:50 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

05:47:35 Namworld: Buzzword cesspool?

05:47:49 Duffer1: omg

05:48:01 Duffer1: i can't even describe that post

05:48:34 Namworld: High as fuck?

05:48:40 cads: haha, I like it

05:48:59 Namworld: Mental institute fugitive?

05:49:07 cads: I"m reading it in alec baldwin's voice.

05:49:14 Duffer1: lol

05:49:31 benkay: Most of the time people can't express their feelings. It has to be thrown out. Once it is thrown out, he/she feels light and refreshed.

05:49:31 benkay: This is the kind of service I'm offering here.

05:49:31 benkay: Consider me representing the one who troubled you, or I'm the situation that made you into trouble.

05:49:31 benkay: You might have to throw out all your frustrations, feelings etc.

05:49:32 mircea_popescu: maybe we're finally seeing markov chain ipos

05:49:34 benkay: I will get in touch with you in skype.

05:49:37 benkay: Scold me, spit at me, and express all of your feelings. Use all the filthy words as you can. Once you have done, your mind is filtered out with all the frustrations.

05:49:40 benkay: Your life will become beautiful. You get enormous energy. You will succeed in all your activities then.

05:49:44 benkay: Still, again someone will trouble you. Come again, take my skype session and spit at me. You will feel better.

05:49:48 benkay: While chatting if your feelings are very strong, I may scream for you. Don't stop, continue till the session ends.

05:49:48 Duffer1: it's an ipo for a pyramid scam that's also a futures bond and a cult

05:49:50 benkay: If you are not in a desire to spit at me, you may even let your neighbor/friend or anyone to utilize the service and spit at me.

05:49:56 benkay: i think this is something the forum needs to be chumpatron'd with

05:50:08 mircea_popescu: Duffer1 sounds just about descriptive of the moss that's in between average joe's ears.

05:50:53 Duffer1: i can't agree this time, this is a special kind of fail

05:51:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.004041 = 1.2123 BTC [-]

05:51:12 cads: hahaha

05:51:19 Namworld: Abro is love, Abro is life. All praise Abro.

05:52:39 Namworld: Is he ipoing the universe? He's ipoing the universe.

05:53:00 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/RealCarrotFacts/status/441416835976925184

05:53:00 ozbot: Twitter / RealCarrotFacts: Carrot taste good even if you ...

05:53:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.004041 = 0.8082 BTC [-]

05:54:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6586 @ 0.00082658 = 5.4439 BTC [-]

05:59:43 benkay: abro akbar

06:00:25 BingoBoingo: lol

06:00:44 BingoBoingo: Anyone else see SVU tonight?

06:00:54 moiety: wtaf is that post?! i like the mandatory note for "the service"

06:01:12 moiety: the btctalk one ^

06:01:15 Duffer1: the whole thread so far is fucking brilliant

06:03:20 BingoBoingo: http://www.examiner.com/article/feline-internet-sensation-colonel-meow-dies

06:03:20 ozbot: Feline Internet sensation Colonel Meow dies - Chicago Cats | Examiner.com

06:05:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 30 @ 0.004041 = 0.1212 BTC [-]

06:07:17 benkay: i just realized that we have b-list feline internet celebrites

06:07:26 BingoBoingo: benkay: We do indeed

06:07:34 benkay: okay i get it mircea_popescu a penny from every human on earth makes for pathological everything

06:07:53 mircea_popescu: waitwat?

06:08:24 benkay: pennies from everyone and spears and such

06:08:49 mircea_popescu: i think you all've been cooped in here too long, and you're approaching some sort of mystical breakthrough of which i'm sadly left out :(

06:09:01 benkay: britney spears

06:10:07 moiety: how has there been a webz cat i didn't know about :o

06:10:35 BingoBoingo: Eh, in about 8 hours I'm driving 200 miles for a decent lunch. Well, maybe a bit more than 8 hours from nao. Depends how long I am passed out.

06:11:27 moiety: 200 miles :o

06:11:43 moiety: its not icy is it?

06:12:45 BingoBoingo: moiety: Not icy atm, just driving 200 miles for 15 minutes of errand and lunch.

06:12:45 moiety: oh god have you seen arscoin?

06:12:57 BingoBoingo: If only Dooglus ran this casino http://gawker.com/gambler-sues-casino-over-the-500-000-he-lost-while-bla-1537450594

06:13:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.004041 = 2.0205 BTC [-]

06:13:46 moiety: http://arstechnica.com/business/2014/03/behold-arscoin-our-own-custom-cryptocurrency/

06:13:46 ozbot: Behold Arscoin, our own custom cryptocurrency | Ars Technica

06:13:50 moiety: wut

06:13:54 benkay: old nooz

06:14:02 benkay: also webwallet onry i hear

06:14:17 BingoBoingo: Premined scam

06:14:18 moiety: but but you can buy a gold username!

06:14:23 moiety: wtaf

06:15:44 moiety: is the GnuTLS bug old news too? im so slow

06:16:02 benkay: mhm

06:16:14 benkay: hey moiety have you heard about the multicoin wallet?

06:16:38 benkay: they herd u liek crypto and obfuscated the source so they can steal your coins while you doge

06:18:18 moiety: i heard they were wanting to make one but i didn't know it had come to fruition

06:18:45 benkay: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/03/05_multicoinwallet-considered-harmful.html

06:18:45 ozbot: MultiCoinWallet: Considered Harmful

06:20:16 benkay: not to imply you yourself are a thick sucker

06:20:21 benkay: you're in -assets, after all.

06:20:24 benkay: an assette!

06:23:21 moiety: lol i like it

06:23:41 moiety: the wallet not so much, good article. i wouldn't have touched it with someone else's anyways

06:25:02 moiety: ha i like the next one too

06:25:38 moiety: you need a subscribing list

06:25:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58999999 BTC [-]

06:26:09 BingoBoingo: benkay is good at turning out the really pointed messages

06:26:36 moiety: he is very to-the-point, which = win

06:27:06 moiety: that lol

06:27:08 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform kakobrekla cazalla http://fraudsters.com/2014/hi-this-is-the-article-title/

06:27:32 mircea_popescu: benkay ah ah yes.

06:27:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.0040401 = 0.404 BTC [-]

06:28:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 3000 @ 0.00089005 = 2.6702 BTC [-] {2}

06:29:40 Duffer1: http://www.extremetech.com/computing/177882-massive-linux-security-flaw-dwarfs-apples-cryptography-problems-of-just-last-week

06:29:41 ozbot: Massive Linux security flaw dwarfs Apple’s cryptography problems of just last week | ExtremeTech

06:30:06 mircea_popescu: yeh was here last week but worth repeating.

06:30:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1717 @ 0.00396239 = 6.8034 BTC [-] {10}

06:30:52 moiety: i just heard of it today too

06:31:59 BingoBoingo: Oh, Archer mentioned Bitcoin this week

06:32:31 mircea_popescu: which archer

06:33:03 Duffer1: tv show

06:33:37 mircea_popescu: "Allowing drunk patrons to gamble and serving obviously intoxicated patrons are both illegal under Nevada law. Johnston's lawyer says his client's story is bolstered by surveillance video and eyewitness testimony."

06:34:00 mircea_popescu: this is actually a bit of a problem, people can sit down at their computer drunk as fuck and think hye, gamble my whole wallet on dice!

06:34:12 mircea_popescu: obviously not the dice site's problem, but also kind-of dangerous for the random idiot.

06:34:27 BingoBoingo: And this is why Dice suck.

06:34:44 mircea_popescu: well maybe.

06:35:09 mike_c: because you've never blown money on sports while drunk ;)

06:35:21 mircea_popescu: tbh i think dices have a future, but as backing for other services. they're currently exposed to the general public becaus e whatever, we're in the pdp and vax days over here.

06:35:39 mircea_popescu: but generally speaking, the dice model is the engine that can power a lot of cool applications down the road.

06:35:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1500 @ 0.00089 = 1.335 BTC [-]

06:35:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 204 @ 0.00386019 = 0.7875 BTC [-] {3}

06:35:59 BingoBoingo: mike_c: Actually totally plaster in sports have offered much better returns than sober and axious

06:36:17 mircea_popescu: i wonder if the same is true of the players.

06:36:40 mike_c: it is at least more fun

06:36:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 39 @ 0.0038518 = 0.1502 BTC [-] {2}

06:37:21 mircea_popescu: i wonder if superbowl/whatever advertising sports will eventualyl run out of money so bad they'll add new rules such as "each player must drink twelve shots of vodka before going on the field"

06:37:22 BingoBoingo: I've only had one huge gambling loss totally plastered.

06:37:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 390 @ 0.00385512 = 1.5035 BTC [+] {3}

06:38:10 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: They might. For football it might be necessary. Actually the biggest PED among handegg players I've seen is the ganja.

06:38:16 cazalla: mircea_popescu: can i put that mention on my resume? seriously though, there is much to learn here for someone like me

06:38:25 mircea_popescu: cazalla lol sure.

06:38:53 mircea_popescu: whatever you do to your resume it can't end up worse than that exchange expert guy from a while back

06:41:14 BingoBoingo: Seriously, baseball's saving grace is it mixes the randomness of dice with the potential for talent

06:45:08 BingoBoingo: Hashtag! DangerZone

06:53:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 32 @ 0.57191533 = 18.3013 BTC [-] {12}

06:54:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.0039 = 1.17 BTC [+]

06:55:32 mircea_popescu: please allow me to spam :

06:55:36 mircea_popescu: Q: Next account, Gigavps, is this a true and accurate reflection of Gigavps' account history with Bitcoin Savings & Trust from on or about April 3rd, 2012 through on or about August 22, 2012 ?

06:55:36 mircea_popescu: A: No.

06:55:36 mircea_popescu: Q: What stands out at you as being incorrect?

06:55:36 mircea_popescu: A: I'll just know I used it a lot.

06:55:36 mircea_popescu: Q: For what?

06:55:37 mircea_popescu: A: For moving transactions.

06:55:39 mircea_popescu: Q: Meaning for Bitcoin Savings & Trust Investment transactions?

06:55:41 mircea_popescu: A: Yes. And he had a separate account that was a hidden account.

06:55:43 mircea_popescu: Q: A hidden account?

06:55:45 mircea_popescu: A: Yes.

06:55:47 mircea_popescu: Q: What do you mean by that?

06:55:51 mircea_popescu: A: Just an account used for basically his own lending account. They borrow coins real quickly to make cash transactions and stuff.

06:55:54 mircea_popescu: Q: From you?

06:55:56 mircea_popescu: A: Correct.

06:55:58 mircea_popescu: Q: What was his user name on that account?

06:56:00 mircea_popescu: A: I guess Gigavps, but it wasn't on Bitcoin Savings & Trust.

06:56:02 mircea_popescu: Q: Why doesn't it appear in this raw data?

06:56:04 mircea_popescu: A: Because it wasn't on there. It wasn't on this database or on this website. It was tracked through a - what was that - not Sales Force. I can't remember the name of the website. It was something we just worked out together. And it has a lot of his transactions. This account looks mostly like my stuff.

06:56:08 mircea_popescu: Q: Meaning --

06:56:10 mircea_popescu: A: 2002 --

06:56:12 mircea_popescu: Q: What do you mean by "my stuff"?

06:56:14 mircea_popescu: A: And then $500 deposit from Imsaguy?

06:56:16 mircea_popescu: Q: What do you mean "my stuff"?

06:56:18 mircea_popescu: A: Core stuff. This isn't all --

06:56:22 mircea_popescu: Q: You mean Bitcoin Savings & Trust investment activity?

06:56:24 mircea_popescu: A: This isn't all of the transactions there.

06:56:26 mircea_popescu: Q: Next account, Goat.

06:59:25 BingoBoingo: Oh, and copumpkin was the doxxed one

06:59:46 mircea_popescu: what, you didn't know his name ?

06:59:56 *: copumpkin knew his name

07:00:07 mircea_popescu: he fucking sends email with his name on it, what's not to know.

07:00:12 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I knew it, but not in a court filing.

07:00:12 copumpkin: get with the times

07:00:30 copumpkin: lol, you google my nick my name is the first result

07:00:32 mircea_popescu: i guess.

07:00:35 copumpkin: I'm not exactly secretive

07:00:39 BingoBoingo: I mean Pirateat40 know copumkin's full name, but only James for GigaVPS

07:00:49 mircea_popescu: yes, but then pirate was an idiot.

07:00:50 copumpkin: he's also muddying things by lying

07:00:59 copumpkin: all over the placE :)

07:01:03 mircea_popescu: copumpkin no ?!

07:01:08 copumpkin: believe it or not!

07:01:13 mircea_popescu: i thought fraudsters never lie in court.

07:01:18 mircea_popescu: all this comes as news to me.

07:01:19 copumpkin: there was no way for pirate to think that goat's name is chaang noi :P

07:01:28 BingoBoingo: lol

07:01:28 mircea_popescu: right.

07:01:29 copumpkin: that's just retarded

07:01:47 copumpkin: I was amazed at how much crap he spewed in there

07:01:48 BingoBoingo: Pudgy white kid named Chaang Noi

07:02:00 mircea_popescu: actually... he only came up with chaang noi after his 6 months of laying low for the bst to blow over.

07:02:00 copumpkin: I think he got himself into more trouble there than he would be in if he'd just admitted it

07:02:22 mircea_popescu: well actually... i think in his case the meth defense cuts in

07:02:50 mircea_popescu: (ie, there's an absolute lowest limit a judge'll allow for self-critting idiocy, otherwise anyone from the inner cities would be doing >9k years)

07:03:06 BingoBoingo: Well this is just a civil case

07:03:25 mircea_popescu: this is really the reason prosecutions are so successful in the us. it's not really some sort of nefarious police stat

07:03:36 mircea_popescu: e/nasizm thing as some suggest. it's simply that most defendants are too stupid to live

07:03:37 copumpkin: and the guy is getting the SEC to drive him there in a car cause he doesn't have a car anymore

07:03:39 copumpkin: kind of sad

07:03:51 mircea_popescu: and if they were taken seriously they'd be just... you know, off to soylent plant

07:04:00 mircea_popescu: wait, no lambo ?

07:04:04 mircea_popescu: sec should buy a lambo.

07:04:08 copumpkin: apparently not!

07:04:25 copumpkin: they should ask the FBI for some of those SR coins and buy that mclaren that went up recently

07:04:33 copumpkin: fuck lambos

07:04:41 mircea_popescu: mclaren HONDA ?

07:04:49 BingoBoingo: Oh, the reasons I found a drive through miracle maker for my disorderly conduct misdemeanor, allegedly

07:05:15 copumpkin: mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=499965.0

07:05:17 copumpkin: you should get it

07:05:26 mircea_popescu: i don't drive

07:05:31 copumpkin: high five

07:05:37 copumpkin: I get driven

07:05:52 mircea_popescu: i also don't care for sportsters.

07:06:10 *: copumpkin crosses arms smugly

07:06:16 copumpkin: mircea_popescu is too cool to drive, walks around with an open shirt on the street

07:06:26 mircea_popescu: definitely.

07:06:33 mircea_popescu: (and my zipper's not done in that shot, either)

07:06:50 BingoBoingo: Eh, I'll keep driving the shitty family sedan. No one suspects...

07:07:04 copumpkin: oh I wasn't checking

07:07:26 B007: how do you have money and not drive?

07:07:40 B007: or at least own cars

07:08:07 BingoBoingo: B007: Well Mircea has slaves, and copumpkin something?

07:08:25 copumpkin: I don't have a license

07:08:30 copumpkin: I get by without :)

07:09:33 mircea_popescu: https://www.google.com/search?q=Mercedes-Benz+E+230+(W210)&complete=0 << that, for instance, is imo one of the best cars ever made.

07:10:01 mircea_popescu: B007 i have cars, sometimes. i had dozens at some point. i jus' don't drive.

07:10:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.59098897 = 2.364 BTC [+] {3}

07:11:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59098898 BTC [+]

07:11:45 mircea_popescu: "Pirate: And when I find that information, I will give you the updated information and show you that this was not a Ponzi scam. Just give me time. I promise you."

07:11:48 mircea_popescu: that's some epic shit right there.

07:12:18 BingoBoingo: lol

07:12:21 copumpkin: I liked the bit where they said "so wait, your company folded and you're in trouble now because someone screwed you out of 202k coins, and you forget who that someone is?"

07:12:28 BingoBoingo: Document one was the lulzier doc

07:12:48 mircea_popescu: i pity that moustakis guy.

07:12:54 copumpkin: that was a long-ass interview

07:12:59 copumpkin: must've been exhausting for both of them

07:13:02 mircea_popescu: it's like you sign up to be a chiropractor, and you end up sent to practice in the loony bin

07:13:20 copumpkin: moustakis had to stay focused to catch all the crap the guy was saying, and I'm sure pirate was in overdrive trying to crank out more crap

07:13:30 BingoBoingo: Eh, looney bin ain't bad

07:13:32 mircea_popescu: copumpkin no, not for both of them. romanian expression is "nu te pune cu prostu' c-are mintea odihnita"

07:13:42 mircea_popescu: which says, don't mess with the stupid, his brain's well rested.

07:13:43 BingoBoingo: Get crayons

07:14:04 copumpkin: mircea_popescu: I dunno, there were several pretty awkward moments when it was clear he'd been caught in a lie

07:14:18 mircea_popescu: so i take it you read this whole thing ? carefully ?

07:14:21 copumpkin: I'm sure he was freaking out and trying to come up with more convincing crap

07:14:28 copumpkin: well, I read the whole thing, not sure carefully fits

07:14:40 mircea_popescu: how about you make a full length treatment of the whole thing, with notes ?

07:14:42 mircea_popescu: i'd read it.

07:14:48 copumpkin: lol

07:14:48 mircea_popescu: are you under counsel to stfu or anything ?

07:14:51 copumpkin: I'd rather sleep

07:14:54 copumpkin: no, not at all

07:14:56 mircea_popescu: fuck sleep.

07:15:01 mircea_popescu: srsly, it's the best thing you can do right now.

07:15:06 mircea_popescu: for "the community", or w/e you call it.

07:15:09 copumpkin: lol

07:15:11 copumpkin: fuck that

07:15:14 copumpkin: sleep :)

07:15:16 mircea_popescu: irsrs tho.

07:15:25 joecool: store your passwords with him

07:15:27 copumpkin: I'm sure you can find someone with less valuable time to summarize the shit

07:15:30 BingoBoingo: copumpkin: The veggies need their prison tomorrow. When you wake...

07:15:35 copumpkin: joecool: you've made that joke before, it's getting old

07:15:49 mircea_popescu: copumpkin you're in a very good position because you have the skill and the experience.

07:16:03 mircea_popescu: what, you think i just sprout this shit randomly cause i'm bored on irc

07:16:09 BingoBoingo: copumpkin: My time is probably the least valuable, but your insight is probably the most.

07:16:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 700 @ 0.00385004 = 2.695 BTC [-] {7}

07:16:36 copumpkin: I'm sure if this goes anywhere serious they'll call on me to testify

07:16:37 joecool: copumpkin: :( cranky

07:16:40 copumpkin: not that I'll really want to

07:16:42 copumpkin: :P

07:16:50 copumpkin: given how much the fucker talks about me

07:16:50 mircea_popescu: if that does happen, this write-up will be a great thing to have.

07:16:54 copumpkin: it seems almost inevitable

07:17:01 BingoBoingo: copumpkin: DO a writeup in the next couple weeks, GPG sign it

07:17:10 copumpkin: I don't see what the benefit would be

07:17:18 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo for this purpose publishing beats signing.

07:18:00 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Given the nothingness published pre-August2012 publishing means little. "Shall be delivered"

07:18:11 mircea_popescu: copumpkin the usual benefit. a furthering of human knowledge on a topic.

07:18:32 BingoBoingo: Volume of text versus affirmed text

07:18:55 mircea_popescu: seeing how rthis topic is bitcoin, it kind-of trumps any other topic, even if some other topic may offer the illusion of importance.

07:19:13 copumpkin: mircea_popescu: I'm not opposed to it, but am not in a huge rush to spend my time on it either :) and would rather it be done in a formal setting so someone else can take care of summarizing/transcribing it :P

07:19:15 BingoBoingo: Of course.

07:19:21 copumpkin: lol

07:19:32 copumpkin: it doesn't trump that I have to get up for work in a few hours and need my beauty sleep

07:19:37 mircea_popescu: if you note, i said "full length treatment, with notes"

07:19:42 mircea_popescu: that does not map on "summarize"

07:19:47 copumpkin: pfft

07:19:58 BingoBoingo: I honestly am beneath this project

07:20:07 mircea_popescu: anyway. sleep well.

07:20:22 copumpkin: but anyway, as I said, I'm not opposed to doing that at some point :) thanks

07:21:07 BingoBoingo: I got the /. twice, but I am beneath the background necessary to treat this right

07:21:56 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i just went through the list of names there, which remarkably i had pretty accurate to begin with. crossing out the outright liars, like psychological compulsive sort, and the idiots, you're left with maybe 2-3 names

07:22:07 mircea_popescu: and i don't think reeses_ is even paying attention anymore.

07:23:05 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: My list is comprable, but I the weight the "testimony" offer weighs so little on names I've assumed more guilty.

07:23:39 BingoBoingo: http://www.metrolyrics.com/the-man-comes-around-lyrics-johnny-cash.html?ModPagespeed=noscript

07:23:39 ozbot: Johnny Cash - The Man Comes Around Lyrics | MetroLyrics

07:25:02 BingoBoingo: You still wake up sometimes, don't you? You wake up in the dark and hear the screaming of the lambs. And you think if you save poor Catherine, you could make them stop, don't you? You think if Catherine lives, you won't wake up in the dark ever again to that awful screaming of the lambs.

07:25:19 BingoBoingo: All those delicious lambs.

07:25:24 mircea_popescu: anyway this shit is pretty epic, it wasn't that zeek rewards went under, it's just that he can't remember who had 200k btc

07:25:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 392 @ 0.00385 = 1.5092 BTC [-] {2}

07:25:52 BingoBoingo: Did anyone have 200k BTC?

07:26:12 moiety: lol new reply to abro thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=502567.msg5541511#msg5541511

07:26:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 614 @ 0.00385 = 2.3639 BTC [-] {2}

07:27:09 BingoBoingo: First principles, Simplicity. Read Aristotle. Of each particular thing ask: what is it in itself? What is its nature? What does he do, this man you seek?

07:27:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 75 @ 0.00385 = 0.2888 BTC [-]

07:28:17 BingoBoingo: Oh, NeoButt is crashing

07:30:13 mircea_popescu: GNULinuxGuy did you end up buying in ?

07:30:25 mircea_popescu: lol moiety

07:30:27 BingoBoingo: This spring it takes what? 2 BTC to kill Harnett's bankerness? AAA-???BBQ

07:31:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07634752 = 0.4581 BTC [-] {2}

07:32:10 mircea_popescu: well no cause there isn't one.

07:32:13 mircea_popescu: it's free!

07:34:35 mircea_popescu: so basically all the aurora crap ACTUALLY WAS strictly intended to win the bitbet bet.

07:34:41 mircea_popescu: qed, fuckers.

07:36:43 BingoBoingo: BitBet needs better submissions

07:37:20 mircea_popescu: defo.

07:37:31 mircea_popescu: someone was doing futures i saw

07:37:36 BingoBoingo: Lol

07:37:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59079997 BTC [-]

07:38:19 mircea_popescu: wha ?

07:38:41 BingoBoingo: Mystery futures market maker

07:39:05 BingoBoingo: Making serious markets

07:39:24 BingoBoingo: While maintaining serious mystery

07:39:50 mircea_popescu: sounds like a coin

07:39:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.07634753 = 2.2904 BTC [+]

07:40:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.59079997 = 5.3172 BTC [-] {3}

07:40:28 BingoBoingo: I know a bunch of -assets people's Bitbet payout addresses and this bettor isn't obviously one.

07:40:37 BingoBoingo: Especially since BTC taint is not a thing.

07:40:51 BingoBoingo: Bitbet marketing must be good.

07:40:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.5974257 = 4.182 BTC [+] {4}

07:41:19 mircea_popescu: well ok, but "i know" means i know some not i know all in this context neh ?

07:41:30 mircea_popescu: "like, i know my wife's husband and he happens to be me"

07:41:37 mircea_popescu: sure, if you say so. last night she said differently.

07:42:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.076 = 1.52 BTC [-]

07:43:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00389995 = 0.195 BTC [+] {2}

07:43:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5959998 BTC [-]

07:44:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.60949995 = 1.8285 BTC [+] {2}

07:44:24 BingoBoingo: Well in this case I know a wife was active. My wife was missing. I however do not know that any wife of mine was involved with any of these activities.

07:44:28 jcpham: half truths mircea_popescu

07:44:33 jcpham: it's atangled web

07:44:38 mircea_popescu: surely.

07:44:49 BingoBoingo: Lovely things about BTC

07:44:52 mircea_popescu: "Law Office of Clifford Lloyd"

07:44:54 mircea_popescu: ouch

07:44:54 BingoBoingo: .bait

07:44:55 ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/ff686c03ae04aed06b98d851163facd0/tumblr_mtm0wsfZgm1ro13l2o1_1280.jpg

07:45:07 mircea_popescu: if someone ends up disbared over pirate's dumb ass that'll be the lol of all time.

07:46:03 BingoBoingo: Pirate seems to have months of lols left

07:46:11 BingoBoingo: And in a civil suit.

07:48:30 BingoBoingo: Only in Bitcoin-exile is such a thing possible

07:50:29 BingoBoingo: Oh, so many problems here as well http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2014/03/salmonella_and_raw_eggs_how_i_ve_eaten_tons_of_cookie_dough_and_never_gotten.html Bedtime though

07:50:49 B007: and this is how you pump & dump http://s29.postimg.org/z0dwcl4rb/bitcoin.png

07:55:42 B007: I made 78 in a day

07:55:45 B007: im so proud

08:04:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24389 @ 0.00082727 = 20.1763 BTC [+]

08:09:57 mircea_popescu: uh

08:10:09 B007: huh

08:14:14 mircea_popescu: http://buttcoin.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/pirateat40-destroyed.png that's pretty good stuff lol

08:15:58 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i dunno where you get the "civil proceedings" notions from.

08:16:24 mircea_popescu: guy just gave himself a criminal contempt count.

08:16:36 B007: is that guy fuked ? I think so

08:18:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43124 @ 0.00083231 = 35.8925 BTC [+] {5}

08:19:27 mircea_popescu: that is oral culture at its finest. this guy is not part of contemporaneity, or even modernity. he finds himself in a roughly feudal time. back before literacy.

08:19:42 mircea_popescu: further proof that teaching kids to read and write is not either sufficient or particularly related to literacy.

08:20:57 B007: ofc you can't make people read if they dont want to

08:21:22 mircea_popescu: you can make people do absolutely anything they should be doing, provided you're comitted to beating them to death if they do not, and start before they're 5.

08:22:12 B007: but will they continue after the person that would beat them is gone?

08:22:28 chetty: yeah, it becomes habit

08:22:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 14 @ 0.08203571 = 1.1485 BTC [-] {5}

08:22:47 mircea_popescu: http://buttcoin.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Screen-Shot-2014-03-05-at-1.34.57-PM.png

08:22:53 mircea_popescu: meanwhile... http://fraudsters.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/smickles-icbitse-affidavit.txt

08:23:26 mircea_popescu: hey D : someone over there ain't doing their job of reading properly.

08:23:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 22 @ 0.04282717 = 0.9422 BTC [+] {5}

08:23:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12350 @ 0.0008336 = 10.295 BTC [+]

08:25:56 mircea_popescu: B007 yes, it will continue. not even strictly of habit, as chetty says. take washing : once you get used to your smell when you're clean, you're not likely to stop washing.

08:26:10 mircea_popescu: but if you're used to your smell being filthy, you'll just keep on doing that because... whatever.

08:26:18 mircea_popescu: "whoever loves you loves you as you are" and all that.

08:26:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.04339999 = 0.1736 BTC [+] {2}

08:26:48 mircea_popescu: so it's habit, but it's also that once you know things, stupidity appears quite different from how it appears back when you don't know things.

08:26:55 mircea_popescu: you gain what's called metacognitive ability.

08:27:35 mircea_popescu: and so you understand both why you had to be beaten, and why you'll be beating the shit off your kids, too. so they don't end up like the retarded us scum.

08:29:18 jurov: well, once you keep yourself clean other people can start to smell horribly (applies to stupidity as well)

08:30:28 mircea_popescu: indeed.

08:31:02 mircea_popescu: which is why society naturally segregates. it's not that the upper class hates the lower class. it's just that the lower class... stinks.

08:31:24 chetty: I wonder if much of the animosity between tea party and occupy could be simply smell?

08:31:48 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform for a total lulz : check out sec's own version of pgp, the pse : http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/containers/fix064/891166/0000898432-05-000712.txt

08:31:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00083524 = 4.5938 BTC [+] {2}

08:32:00 mircea_popescu: chetty most of it. politics is a sexual matter.

08:32:51 midnightmagic: children do better, perform better, respond better, and grow better when they aren't beaten.

08:33:01 mircea_popescu: you mean irl or in dreamland ?

08:33:22 midnightmagic: irl. There is virtually no evidence at all that beating children helps.

08:33:39 midnightmagic: There is virtually all the evidence that says that *not* beating them but maintaining discipline helps.

08:33:40 chetty: depends on the child, some actually need it

08:33:44 mircea_popescu: no, actually, there is an endless record of evidence that it does. what there's no evidence for is that not beating them is sustainable.

08:33:49 mircea_popescu: quite the contrary evidence abounds.

08:33:51 midnightmagic: No, there isn't.

08:33:53 mircea_popescu: right.

08:33:57 midnightmagic: Right.

08:34:07 mircea_popescu: we can move on to discussing how temperatures form a golf club pattern next

08:34:33 mircea_popescu: but as an exercise : consider whether you're randomly lumping together beating children with simple abuse, as a sort of strawman argument.

08:34:51 mircea_popescu: some random drunk randomly hitting some kid is absolutely not within the scope of this discussion.

08:35:07 mircea_popescu: children have to be beaten systematically, in which case most don't actually even need pyshical contact.

08:36:12 midnightmagic: I understand what you mean. Virtually all infant and child development research disagrees with you.

08:36:41 mircea_popescu: virtually all data fugded by post 1950 us pseudoscience on the topic says random stupid shit.

08:36:56 mircea_popescu: it's about as good as us epidemiological data, that crap.

08:37:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 60 @ 0.00385001 = 0.231 BTC [-] {2}

08:38:27 mircea_popescu: well, either that or magically all kids suddenly need ritalin.

08:38:52 midnightmagic: No, ritalin is over-prescribed. That's evil on its own.

08:39:12 mircea_popescu: but it is over prescrived on the basis of " virtually all infant and child development research"

08:39:19 mircea_popescu: the same pseudoscientific process created both notions.

08:39:40 midnightmagic: I'm just saying, as much as it's possible to know such things, physical pain or even physical discomfort versus non-physical discipline tactics: the physical discipline is not as effective.

08:39:50 mircea_popescu: indeed. but do you know why ?

08:40:00 mircea_popescu: because the group that responds to the former well is SELF SELECTED.

08:40:03 midnightmagic: No it's not. Research is not the basis of ritalin over-prescription. In fact the research states that it is over-prescribed.

08:40:07 midnightmagic: :)

08:40:07 mircea_popescu: ie, theyre the smarter kids anwyay.

08:40:24 mircea_popescu: problem is the entire system collapses once kids know nobody can ever get beaten.

08:40:35 mircea_popescu: much like the us nuclear weapons, which the us refuses to declare will never be used.

08:41:06 chetty: fear is a wonderful motivation

08:41:33 midnightmagic: fear is not the most effective motivation. fear is not a direct motivator, it is a motivator to game the cease of fear.

08:41:34 mircea_popescu: basically you're externalising a cost. when "kids get beaten" subset A1 gets actually beaten and subset A2 learns from their experience.

08:41:43 mircea_popescu: you then run studies showing that A2 responds better than A1

08:41:55 mircea_popescu: once "kids don't get beaten" everyone's ~A2.

08:42:12 midnightmagic: That is fundamental study design. They don't make those kinds of selection bias mistakes in the research on which consensus is formed.

08:42:25 mircea_popescu: midnightmagic only in uncontrolled environments. in controlled environments, fear is a motivator exactly for education.

08:42:30 midnightmagic: Else someone else trying to make a name for themselves comes along and destroys it.

08:42:32 mircea_popescu: it's how the child brain works, for this purpose.

08:43:01 mircea_popescu: midnightmagic nobody is going t omake a name for themselves in the current us showing that not beating kids is a wrong thing.

08:43:06 midnightmagic: Yeeaaahh.. no. Sure it's a motivator. I'm just saying it's not the most effective.

08:43:24 mircea_popescu: it's not the most effective huh ?

08:43:31 mircea_popescu: it's the one to which kids can pose no resistence.

08:43:35 midnightmagic: I would say about half or more of the US actually agrees with you that beating children is the best way.

08:43:37 mircea_popescu: it's ultimate, not effectual.

08:43:45 mircea_popescu: it presents guarantees of success.

08:44:02 mircea_popescu: midnightmagic yes, but not the 14% aspirational crowd that "makes" names

08:45:05 midnightmagic: Anyway, just pointing it out. If you have access to a research institute with fulltext, you should check it out. It's really fascinating and, for me at least, counter-intuitive.

08:45:22 mircea_popescu: yeah, i think the most we can arrive to is stating the respective positions.

08:45:32 midnightmagic: Here, yeah for sure.

08:45:33 chetty: no 'academic' would admit things like that, anymore than admit global warming is off. the wouldn't get their grants.

08:45:59 mircea_popescu: chetty presumably the free market still exists in the us, both financially and with regard to ideas, so such an academic would "make a name for himself"

08:46:00 mircea_popescu: somehow.

08:46:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00389989 = 0.39 BTC [+] {2}

08:46:16 *: midnightmagic waves.

08:46:37 reeses_: I ignore nothing. I just don't pay attention.

08:46:44 chetty: ha, hasn't been a free market in ideas for a very long time

08:47:02 reeses_: I love that he claims a ccie and ccna and doesn't know what ccie stands for

08:47:09 reeses_: and that he got the ccie in high school

08:47:40 mircea_popescu: hence "<mircea_popescu> and i don't think reeses_ is even paying attention anymore."

08:48:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0845958 = 0.2538 BTC [+]

08:48:06 reeses_: switch what I said, then, I was ignoring it

08:48:15 mircea_popescu: midnightmagic but on the topic of making a name for oneself, know who tried that ? a certain dr. gleason. he tried to make a name for himself as not being a contemptible piece of shit. he was convicted, eventually, and then killed himself.

08:48:26 mircea_popescu: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2012/12/and_now_the_pharma_pendulum_sw.html < tlp has the story.

08:48:26 ozbot: The Last Psychiatrist: Expendable; Or, And Now The Pharma Pendulum Swings Back The Other Way

08:48:50 mircea_popescu: reeses_ well then read the discussion with mr pineaple above too.

08:49:22 midnightmagic: huh. Never heard of him.

08:49:26 mircea_popescu: ikr?

08:49:28 mircea_popescu: kinda my point.

08:49:42 mircea_popescu: kinda why i'm stuck with an ever increasing intel dept

08:49:49 mircea_popescu: because nobody hears of anything anymore somehow.

08:49:50 *: midnightmagic has trouble getting "to the moon, alice" out of his head

08:50:23 reeses_: yeah, working my way through the docs right now as well

08:51:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 35 @ 0.0055 = 0.1925 BTC {2}

08:52:16 reeses_: oh man this is so wrong

08:53:19 mircea_popescu: no ?!

08:53:33 reeses_: I love it

08:54:02 mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/embed/SjbPi00k_ME

08:54:03 ozbot: Casablanca gambling? I'm shocked - YouTube

08:56:19 mircea_popescu: reeses_ he somehow omitted his cisco number

08:56:27 mircea_popescu: or did they stop giving out those ?

08:56:30 reeses_: yeah, I went to look it up

08:56:31 reeses_: :-)

08:56:41 reeses_: no, they're still numbered

08:56:58 mircea_popescu: http://www.bradreese.com/worldwide-ccie-count.htm

08:57:02 mircea_popescu: yeah its still there

08:57:03 reeses_: but it's not as prestigious now, although it would still have been when he was in school

08:58:19 mircea_popescu: in 2000ish ? yea, it think it'd have been all over slashdot. "highschooler gets ccie!!1"

08:58:22 mircea_popescu: o wait. no slashdot yet.

09:01:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 49 @ 0.003855 = 0.1889 BTC [-] {2}

09:02:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 67 @ 0.00385 = 0.258 BTC [-] {2}

09:03:01 reeses_: yeah, /. was around then, no?

09:04:22 mircea_popescu: wasnt it 2003 ish ?

09:04:45 mircea_popescu: no nm, turns out its late 90s.

09:05:15 mircea_popescu: "news at eight : everything is older than you think."

09:05:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 25 @ 0.0055 = 0.1375 BTC

09:11:09 mircea_popescu: http://buttcoin.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Screen-Shot-2014-03-05-at-2.00.38-PM.png

09:11:13 mircea_popescu: this shit's pretty good.

09:12:14 reeses_: my homework is here somewhere, I think copumpkin has it

09:12:53 mircea_popescu: lol

09:13:07 mircea_popescu: Duffer1: big one and number two.. anyone taking bets one of those was goat? << yes. how much you wanna bet ?

09:13:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58000003 BTC [-]

09:14:28 mircea_popescu: dexX7 i wonder wtf is happening there re missing txns

09:14:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 39 @ 0.0055 = 0.2145 BTC

09:14:38 mircea_popescu: this does not look toogood.

09:15:15 kakobrekla: they had an orphan in the list instead of the real block

09:15:20 kakobrekla: cause they were doing upgrades

09:15:26 kakobrekla: and were down for a bit

09:15:31 kakobrekla: and that happend.

09:15:32 dexX7: true, people were complaining about strange behavior for a few days now

09:15:44 dexX7: oh really? but the blockhash etc. was correct?

09:16:00 mircea_popescu: ah

09:16:09 mircea_popescu: ok than

09:16:09 dexX7: well, good then that it's known

09:16:14 kakobrekla: well i dunno, thats the word i got and i dont think its made up

09:16:27 kakobrekla: except if this is a different thing.

09:16:45 mircea_popescu: dexX7 wait, what blockhash ?

09:17:06 mircea_popescu: you mean the hash of the block as reported then matches the hash as reported now ?!

09:17:28 dexX7: there is this overview for example: https://blockchain.info/block-index/472689/000000000000000020cc76f78a24a6bc1c6d55e5514ee9b900ba08b3f97bc4a6

09:17:42 kakobrekla: anyway, whatever it is its blockchain.info related, not bitcoin

09:17:54 dexX7: and everything was correct except the number of transactions + the missing ones were indeed not listed

09:18:37 mircea_popescu: dexX7 the logic here is as follows :

09:18:52 mircea_popescu: the validity of a block is not established until later. which is what orphans and chain reorgs are.

09:19:18 mircea_popescu: if a service like blockchain.info goes down (ie, stops listening to the chain) it may end up with the impression a meanwhile discarded block is still valid

09:19:34 mircea_popescu: this would necessarily result in them listing a different set of txns from the actual set as found on the actual chain

09:19:36 dexX7: a discarded block would have another hash

09:19:40 mircea_popescu: which'd be caught up once it reorgs

09:19:48 mircea_popescu: but yes, said block would have to have its own hash

09:19:50 mircea_popescu: so did it not ?

09:19:57 mircea_popescu: cause if it did not then the orphan theory is blown.

09:20:30 dexX7: the hash and merkleroot was the same

09:20:45 mircea_popescu: well then i suppose you'd better blog about it, or post or somthing.

09:21:23 mircea_popescu: (i don't keep much of an eye on blockchain.info since there exists blockr)

09:22:20 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: thats what you get when retarded webdevs make exchanges, for the seventy fifth time << mpoe-pr sez https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=290799.msg4924847#msg4924847 but retards know better. as per usual.

09:24:02 mircea_popescu: re smickles : fwiw i knew he wasn't in vegas too.

09:25:42 dexX7: maybe blockchain receives the complete blocks from it's backend in some way and had a small blackout while post-processing and adding the txs to their db ... well, who knows. they seem to be aware though.

09:26:23 kakobrekla: afaik the txes listed there were from an orphan

09:27:11 mircea_popescu: dexX7 maybe, let cary explain it.

09:27:41 mircea_popescu: so far, the "orphan" theory has a prblm.

09:27:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4050 @ 0.0008336 = 3.3761 BTC [-]

09:28:15 kakobrekla: i havent checked anything but whats the problem

09:28:31 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla that if they had an orphan it would show its own hash and root, not the correct block's.

09:29:06 mircea_popescu: if you go "block 200344, here's the hash (from block 200344') and here's the txn, from block 200344" you got a problem

09:29:08 kakobrekla: not necessarily, you dont know what the bug was

09:29:28 dexX7: there is no orphaned block listed for 288788, but i only have blockchain.info as source

09:29:54 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla which is why i say let cary explain it, how the fuck would we know.

09:32:47 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo did it actually say "Michael Marquardt" or theymos or what ?

09:32:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2726 @ 0.0008336 = 2.2724 BTC [-]

09:32:51 mircea_popescu: fucking bs impossible to grep

09:37:43 chetty: just Theymos I think

09:40:14 kakobrekla: two block appeared with same blockheight on blockchain info

09:40:31 kakobrekla: they had a fail and had to manually fix it thats why its not in the standard orphaned blocks page

09:40:43 kakobrekla: nothing to the story, move along.

09:42:01 mircea_popescu: same blockheight, same hash, diff txn set ?

09:42:33 kakobrekla: YES

09:42:46 mircea_popescu: some fail.

09:45:05 dexX7: but there was only one block in the network and two on blockchain.info due to the fail, right?

09:49:53 kakobrekla: afaik no

09:49:58 kakobrekla: 2 blocks on the network

09:50:23 kakobrekla: one is gone from bc records

09:51:04 mircea_popescu: so was this an evil block in some sense ?

09:51:47 kakobrekla: in the sense any other orphan would be an evil block to bc.info at the time

09:51:55 kakobrekla: as well

09:54:52 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: "realizing net proceeds of $164,758 from his net sales of 86,202 bitcoins" << epic.

09:55:19 mircea_popescu: some people buy in at a little over 2, some people sell out at a little under 2, life goes on.

09:55:42 Diablo-D3: so

09:55:53 Diablo-D3: has the ukraine nuked russia yet?

09:57:15 reeses_: mircea_popescu: it just means his average spread was $2, which was ok at the time :-)

09:57:22 mircea_popescu: :D

09:57:45 reeses_: what a sad amount, though :-)

09:58:01 mircea_popescu: i fucking wonder, you know, what the thought process of the mentally impaired is.

09:58:05 reeses_: I mean, sure, that's real money in shitholes like texas and romania

09:58:15 Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: look in the mirror! dohohohohoho

09:58:22 mircea_popescu: like shavers, like taaki, like maxwell, like you know, the lengthy list of idiots that were "involved" early on

09:58:25 mircea_popescu: and then sorta... fell off.

09:58:36 reeses_: the mentally impaired generally lack the ability for introspection

09:58:37 Diablo-D3: oh man

09:58:38 reeses_: it's tough

09:58:39 Diablo-D3: I remember taaki

09:58:55 mircea_popescu: i guess this is true. what a blessing it is, then.

09:59:07 Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: a lot of early people quit

09:59:14 mircea_popescu: otherwise it'd be all "o fuck me, 160k for 80k btc ? i did that ? srsly ? "

09:59:26 reeses_: ok I'm sure he is doing that now

09:59:34 mircea_popescu: i guess that's why the sec claiming the current price is a good thing

09:59:38 reeses_: yeah

09:59:41 mircea_popescu: basically the da exists to make the stupid introspect

09:59:46 reeses_: since they hold the coins, too

09:59:49 mircea_popescu: that's all it's there for. costs the rest of us a prett ypenny, too

10:08:26 mircea_popescu: benkay:

10:08:28 mircea_popescu: ;;rated Vandroiy

10:08:29 gribble: You rated user Vandroiy on Sat Sep 1 23:00:35 2012, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: Risked 5k of his own bitcoins to help a bunch of forum retards see the light..

10:08:43 kakobrekla: isnt taaki still herp derping around, why are you talking like he is history, i mean he might be, but he doesnt know that

10:08:51 kakobrekla: nor act like it

10:08:52 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla cause no btc.

10:09:20 mircea_popescu: btc, tits. btc is the only thing that matters, the only thing that lasts. tara!

10:09:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.00567001 = 0.1134 BTC [+]

10:09:45 kakobrekla: i bet we will see him on 'major' tv stations this year

10:09:53 kakobrekla: probably the next too

10:10:12 mircea_popescu: sure.

10:10:16 kakobrekla: present history

10:10:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4439 @ 0.00083256 = 3.6957 BTC [-]

10:10:34 mircea_popescu: actually correct quote : ?The BTC is the only thing in the world worth working for, worth fighting for, worth dying for, because it's the only thing that lasts".

10:10:58 kakobrekla: only until the end of the universe :\

10:11:03 kakobrekla: so you might as well just fuck it

10:11:09 mircea_popescu: lol

10:14:21 chetty: http://imgur.com/gallery/iRSmRCg

10:14:21 ozbot: As a European this is how I imagine Americans have breakfast - Imgur

10:14:26 kakobrekla: http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=503105.msg5543619#msg5543619

10:14:28 ozbot: Is Bitstamp going the same way as Gox?

10:14:32 kakobrekla: oh my, a marketing director!!

10:14:40 *: kakobrekla takes his hat off

10:22:04 mircea_popescu: anyway, the one - pretty much the only one - barb for the sec in the pirate story is that indeed the facts seem to support pirate's allegation that he actually paid out the newest investors first.

10:22:30 mircea_popescu: moustakis tried to finesse it out of the testimony, and absent any sort of competent defese it will probably wash away just fine

10:22:42 mircea_popescu: but it is quite atypical for a ponzi

10:24:41 mircea_popescu: anyway, funny how goat got double paid, suckled something from pirate, suckled something from suckers buying debt...

10:24:47 mircea_popescu: ;;rated chaang-noi

10:24:47 gribble: You have not yet rated user chaang-noi

10:25:05 mircea_popescu: ;;seen chaang-noi

10:25:05 gribble: chaang-noi was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 weeks, 3 days, 4 hours, 25 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: <Chaang-Noi> might have to sue em

10:27:07 BigBitz: kakobrekla?

10:28:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14464 @ 0.00083687 = 12.1045 BTC [+] {3}

10:31:20 kakobrekla: a?

10:33:30 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that https://static.pinboard.in/webstock_2014.htm is at least fucking ideologically bizarre. they represent electrification as this obscure political strategy move, when it's quite obvious the thing proceeded on economic rationale.

10:33:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 64 @ 0.0039 = 0.2496 BTC [+]

10:34:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 67 @ 0.07193167 = 4.8194 BTC [-] {6}

10:48:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3000 @ 0.00018798 = 0.5639 BTC [+] {6}

10:49:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00401659 = 0.2008 BTC [+] {3}

11:06:10 wao-ender: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BWhVMsJCUAAdoYx.png:large

11:07:00 kakobrekla: http://imgur.com/gallery/Vn74zOf

11:28:43 mircea_popescu: http://31.media.tumblr.com/fa6e3114a4258b2d26660215e7341f2c/tumblr_mzo25sSdI31su84zzo1_1280.jpg

11:33:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 19 @ 0.58233273 = 11.0643 BTC [+] {9}

11:34:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.57127055 = 11.4254 BTC [-] {10}

11:37:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 61 @ 0.004041 = 0.2465 BTC [+]

11:41:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 82 @ 0.00574899 = 0.4714 BTC [+]

11:43:24 mircea_popescu: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/mother-assaulted-with-vibrator-576321

11:43:25 ozbot: Cops: Woman Beat Her Mom With Vibrator | The Smoking Gun

11:44:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 148 @ 0.004041 = 0.5981 BTC [+]

11:45:12 dexX7: http://mag.newsweek.com/2014/03/14/bitcoin-satoshi-nakamoto.html

11:45:20 dexX7: ^ satoshi found ;)

11:48:33 mircea_popescu: not nick szabo again is it ?

11:51:25 mircea_popescu: lmao newsweek beat the bushes till they found one guy named satoshi nakamoto that was within driving distance

11:51:32 mircea_popescu: herp derp dur dur durr.

11:55:36 mircea_popescu: anyway, the responsible tard being Leah McGrath Goodman

11:56:44 nubbins`: responsible enough to publish a photo of the guy's home, with number visible

11:56:47 nubbins`: poor man

11:57:59 mircea_popescu: at least gavin goes on the record saying that he doesn't need any money,

11:58:02 mircea_popescu: and a bunch of other retarded shit.

11:58:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 42 @ 0.004041 = 0.1697 BTC [+] {2}

11:59:23 mircea_popescu: Andresen responded: "Yeah, I'm not happy with the 'wacky pirate money' tone, either."

11:59:23 mircea_popescu: Then he told Nakamoto he'd accepted an invitation to speak at the Central Intelligence Agency headquarters. "I hope that by talking directly to them and, more importantly, listening to their questions/concerns, they will think of Bitcoin the way I do - as a just-plain-better, more efficient, less-subject-to-political-whims money," he said. "Not as an all-powerful black-market tool that will be used by anarchists to ove

11:59:23 mircea_popescu: rthrow the System."

11:59:23 mircea_popescu: From that moment, Satoshi Nakamoto stopped responding to emails and dropped off the map.

11:59:34 mircea_popescu: as scummy as it gets.

11:59:57 nubbins`: thanks gavin!

12:01:14 nubbins`: okay, i just bought tickets to see neutral milk hotel in berlin

12:01:24 nubbins`: time to wake up pascale by smacking her in the face with them

12:02:13 nubbins`: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jtZx9LNpAY

12:02:14 ozbot: In the Aeroplane Over the Sea- Neutral Milk Hotel - YouTube

12:12:55 mircea_popescu: "If you come out as the leader of Bitcoin, now you have to make appearances and presentations and comments to the press and that didn't really fit with Satoshi's personality,"

12:13:09 mircea_popescu: kinda shocking how stupid this character is, seriously.

12:13:35 mircea_popescu: you gotta ? really ? how about the press and all that learns to irc instead. not like bitcoin is here to _adapt_ to anything now is it.

12:14:04 kakobrekla: irc lol is that even still a thing?

12:14:07 mircea_popescu: "He was the kind of person who, if you made an honest mistake, he might call you an idiot and never speak to you again," Andresen says.

12:14:21 mircea_popescu: yet he somehow magically doesn't understand why satoshi ain't talkin' to him no more.

12:14:26 mircea_popescu: i wonder. what could it be ?

12:15:03 nubbins`: "hey bru, know that disruptive technology you've been working on? well, i just got invited to speak with the cia about it! amazing, huh?"

12:15:03 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

12:15:04 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yeah, it's where the UK prime minister trawls for special assistants to help him get the best child pron

12:15:36 nubbins`: trawling decimated fish stocks here

12:15:46 mircea_popescu: anyway, enough loling at fucktarded english major chicks, back to rift crafting

12:15:52 mircea_popescu: the lyf and tymes.

12:17:12 nubbins`: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collapse_of_the_Atlantic_northwest_cod_fishery

12:17:13 ozbot: Collapse of the Atlantic northwest cod fishery - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

12:17:29 mircea_popescu: yeah. sad.

12:17:56 nubbins`: almost one in ten newfoundlanders made their living doing that

12:18:14 nubbins`: unemployed overnight :0

12:19:10 mircea_popescu: that's nothing.

12:19:24 mircea_popescu: about two in three white people are employed working for the government.

12:19:36 mircea_popescu: comes to about 600mn to be unemployed overnight one of these nights.

12:21:03 nubbins`: http://youtu.be/inDgw8AWmiw?t=2m

12:21:03 ozbot: The end of the Cod - John Crosbie in Bay Bulls Canada Day 1992. - YouTube

12:21:16 nubbins`: federal fisheries minister to angry mob: "i didn't take the fish out of the goddamn water"

12:23:10 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: we're only getting rid of white government? ;0

12:23:33 mircea_popescu: pretty much the only places with actual government are white majority population.

12:24:21 mircea_popescu: china i suppose is making some moves towards relevancy, but i know jack shit about china

12:26:08 chetty: http://deutsche-wirtschafts-nachrichten.de/2014/03/02/oesterreicher-planen-sammelklage-gegen-kredit-system-der-banken/

12:30:56 nubbins`: planen... not holding breath ;(

12:31:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.04339875 = 0.3472 BTC [+] {2}

12:39:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.00086722 = 12.3145 BTC [+]

12:49:10 dexX7: https://twitter.com/gavinandresen/status/441547758827474946

12:49:10 ozbot: Twitter / gavinandresen: I'm disappointed Newsweek decided ...

12:49:14 dexX7: "I'm disappointed Newsweek decided to dox the Nakamoto family, and regret talking to Leah."

13:02:05 mircea_popescu: total derp this guy.

13:12:54 antephialtic: mircea_popescu: do you think the article was an invasion of privacy?

13:33:24 mircea_popescu: i think the article was an ebullution of idiocy.

13:34:40 nubbins`: i just bought thirty-seven pounds of pork shoulder

13:35:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 272 @ 0.004041 = 1.0992 BTC [+]

13:42:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 29 @ 0.00410488 = 0.119 BTC [+] {5}

13:49:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4050 @ 0.00086722 = 3.5122 BTC [+]

13:52:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 900 @ 0.00017796 = 0.1602 BTC [-] {11}

13:52:55 MisterE: http://www.forbes.com/sites/chriswright/2014/02/11/when-chinas-food-runs-out/

13:52:56 ozbot: When China's Food Runs Out - Forbes

13:53:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.00417158 = 0.1043 BTC [+] {5}

13:53:13 MisterE: finally someone gets it

13:53:30 MisterE: whats's a good non-Win bot?

13:53:48 MisterE: I run os x or Debian

13:54:28 mircea_popescu: irc bot you mean ?

13:54:48 asciilifeform: where is the proof that the old man had anything to do with btc? or even exists

13:55:00 MisterE: no trading bot

13:55:06 MisterE: for btc and alts

13:56:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.04339 = 0.1736 BTC [-]

13:56:14 MisterE: know any of these? http://easybitinvesting.com/bitcoin-trading/trading-robots/

13:56:22 asciilifeform: MisterE: i posted here about this a few days ago, look in logs if you're interested.

13:56:34 asciilifeform: MisterE: (re: china)

13:56:43 MisterE: oh?

13:57:36 asciilifeform: MisterE: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2014#544394

13:57:45 MisterE: nice, ty

13:59:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 24 @ 0.02352624 = 0.5646 BTC [+] {6}

13:59:41 asciilifeform: MisterE: beginning of that conversation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2014#544315

13:59:44 MisterE: why mircea_popescu say Ukraine is not productive and that article says its where .ch wants to buy its land becouse produces a lot of wheat?

14:00:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 27 @ 0.00418887 = 0.1131 BTC [+] {2}

14:00:35 asciilifeform: MisterE: the chinese have certain methods of farming 'disposable' (i.e. belonging to untermenschen) lands

14:01:11 asciilifeform: MisterE: they have demonstrated this in the russian far east, where they occupied various places, some legally (rented), some otherwise

14:02:44 MisterE: farming has got to go hydro and less land intensive

14:03:59 asciilifeform: in other news,

14:04:17 asciilifeform: ua rebels now have... their own crematorium. (http://www.svpressa.ru/society/article/83339)

14:09:54 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=503831.new#new basically. the same idea.

14:10:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0845865 = 0.1692 BTC [+] {2}

14:10:57 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: somebody should teach these folks the virtues of seppuku.

14:11:21 mircea_popescu: but why ? if the cattle harakiri'd randomly wed have all these stale carcasses all over.

14:11:47 asciilifeform: ah, they just need to do it in a certified abbatoir.

14:13:40 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "if there's a fire, don't do anything, call the fire people"

14:13:49 mircea_popescu: "if there's a robbery don't do anything, call the robbery people"

14:14:01 mircea_popescu: "if you feel like your time is up... don't... do anything... call the... "

14:14:01 mircea_popescu: etcv

14:15:13 asciilifeform: '1-800-SEP-UKKU' ...

14:15:39 mircea_popescu: facebukku

14:15:58 asciilifeform: http://i2.cpcache.com/product/99626877/quietus_mug.jpg?height=350&width=350

14:16:17 dexX7: "fiat style attack" ..?

14:17:06 mircea_popescu: lol i don't get it.

14:17:27 chetty: http://atn.ua/politika/glavnyy-ravvin-ukrainy-rossiya-predstavlyaet-opasnost-dlya-evreev-ukrainy

14:18:05 mircea_popescu: dexX7 yes. identity established not through the mechanism it is predicated upon, but through "the agreement" of "the people", specifically those who are too stupid to even understand what's being discussed.

14:18:07 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that cup is referring to a cheap sf flick, 'children of men', where there's an apocalyptic degringolade, and pill in question is a bestseller.

14:18:23 mircea_popescu: roughly equivalent to some kid trying to resolve his upset at bitbet by "getting votes"

14:18:35 mircea_popescu: oh. musta been before my time.

14:18:43 asciilifeform: '04

14:18:45 asciilifeform: i think

14:18:50 dexX7: ah and in contrast one would simply sign some genesis coins and that's it

14:19:18 asciilifeform: chetty: related: http://cryptome.org/2014/03/ukraine-national-socialism.htm (with helpful translations)

14:20:23 mircea_popescu: dexX7 right ?

14:20:45 dexX7: yes

14:21:04 asciilifeform: well, they're pushing a picture of a 'go away, i won't admit the deed' satoshi

14:21:30 mircea_popescu: or whatever, send 1 bitcent from the genesis block to 1newsweak98759843

14:21:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0845936 = 0.2538 BTC [+] {3}

14:21:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 30 @ 0.0055 = 0.165 BTC

14:21:52 mircea_popescu: about fifty different ways to go about it, all taking five minutes.

14:25:04 mircea_popescu: anyway, if fake satoshi comes up with some derpage about how we should all love each other, feed africa and stop oppressing faggots it'll be just perfect.

14:25:27 asciilifeform: the real fun starts when we get a 2nd, 3rd... лжеsatoshi.

14:25:37 mircea_popescu: or whatever, fighting economic unequality and promoting the virtues of an unspecified, bug ridden codebase and the halfwits that nursed it to this day

14:25:51 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually there's already a dude claiming he's it

14:25:57 mircea_popescu: (also legally named satoshi nakamoto)

14:26:16 asciilifeform: but he wasn't anointed by nooseweak, was he

14:26:31 mircea_popescu: i guess that one had the disadvantage that the entire nonsense needed plane tickets, and newsweek wouldn't spring

14:26:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 24 @ 0.00424999 = 0.102 BTC [+] {2}

14:26:40 mircea_popescu: so the girl had to hitchhike to sonora or w/e

14:26:43 mircea_popescu: closer to home.

14:27:50 mircea_popescu: wherever a guy who "was deeply influenced by silicon valley" and also "uses prefix notation" could be found.

14:28:14 asciilifeform: 'uses prefix notation' ?!1!

14:28:15 pigeons: and two spaces after periods

14:28:19 mircea_popescu: right.

14:28:35 asciilifeform: turns out i'm satoshi - who knew.

14:28:35 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, yes. whatever you call it, polish ?

14:28:41 MisterE: 2 spaces is asian

14:28:47 mircea_popescu: no, you're just deeply influenced by silicon valley.

14:28:48 pigeons: i thought everyone did that

14:29:00 MisterE: well this side of the pond

14:29:02 MisterE: no not uS

14:29:07 mircea_popescu: like you know... i don't think you can find someone doing that in the vc circus if your life depended on it

14:30:51 MisterE: it seems I come across double spacing less often now though, maybe just me

14:31:08 mircea_popescu: MisterE it's really a leftover from typewriter days.

14:31:09 MisterE: or if its lazy good for nothing cheating students

14:31:17 mircea_popescu: makes 0 sense on a digital system

14:31:24 MisterE: oh yea totally fogotten

14:31:49 pigeons: omg, my husbandhas bad grammar too, just like satoshi nakamoto

14:32:01 mircea_popescu: wait, you have a husband now ?

14:32:03 mircea_popescu: AND a wife ?

14:32:04 MisterE: hah

14:32:08 mircea_popescu: what are you, the family dog ?

14:32:20 pigeons: depends what day it is

14:35:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 70 @ 0.00429 = 0.3003 BTC [+]

14:37:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 68 @ 0.00435395 = 0.2961 BTC [+] {7}

14:38:40 chetty: http://legalinsurrection.com/2014/03/putin-nominated-for-nobel-peace-prize/

14:38:41 ozbot: Putin | Ukraine | Crimea | Nobel Peace Prize | Nomination

14:39:01 asciilifeform: chetty: he'll get his right after snowden.

14:39:29 chetty: hahahahaha

14:39:31 asciilifeform: chetty: and it won't be a nobel pederasteace prize, but a Lenin prize.

14:39:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 638 @ 0.00429 = 2.737 BTC [-] {2}

14:40:12 chetty: but then he and O could make a club or sumthin

14:40:18 asciilifeform: http://www.iss-reshetnev.com/images/Image/org/history/ord_lenina.jpg

14:41:35 mircea_popescu: lol

14:42:09 mircea_popescu: well i dunno, the peace prize seems inappropriate.

14:42:19 mircea_popescu: putin could get the physics nobel for his crimeea contgributions

14:42:31 mircea_popescu: bernanke math...

14:43:22 asciilifeform: some joker ought to fund a 'fields medal' for... spam.

14:43:43 asciilifeform: Chumpatronics Medal

14:45:03 MisterE: hmm maybe a pot fund

14:45:29 MisterE: it's going to be huge cash when it sweeps america next 10-years

14:45:48 asciilifeform: MisterE: S.MOKE ?

14:45:52 MisterE: yup

14:49:21 asciilifeform: MisterE: see mp's essay on cattle-tronics technology to learn why this is not actually an idea.

15:04:05 mircea_popescu: actually this is pretty funny : The New Yorker's satoshi is Michael Clear ; Fast Company's satoshi is (Neal King, Vladimir Oksman and Charles Bry). Business Insider's satoshi is Nick Szabo.

15:04:33 mircea_popescu: there are also two individuals legally named satoshi nakamoto, one presenting himself as satoshi, the other being presented by newsweek as satoshi

15:05:58 mircea_popescu: there's also Shinichi Mochizuki, Gavin's wife, Jed McCaleb (judging by kraken... god help us)

15:07:15 chetty: Crimea votes to join Russia

15:07:19 mircea_popescu: there's of course also the government

15:08:13 jurov: chetty what, they finally moved the refendum to yesterday?

15:08:24 jurov: *referendum

15:08:40 jurov: it was supposed to be at 30th, then at 16th

15:08:47 chetty: Crimea's parliament voted to join Russia on Thursday and its Moscow-backed government set a referendum within 10 days

15:09:12 asciilifeform: i'd really have to be in the place of a fellow 'getting satoshied'

15:09:24 asciilifeform: can already feel the rectothermal warmth just thinking about it.

15:09:40 asciilifeform: *really hate

15:09:51 jurov: nice freudian slip

15:09:57 asciilifeform: haha

15:10:02 chetty: well all the Satochies could get together and have a party

15:10:15 asciilifeform: 'skull of voltaire as a child'

15:11:19 mircea_popescu: party sounds good.

15:11:23 mircea_popescu: except no women ?

15:12:04 chetty: ok so Satochies and guests

15:12:06 asciilifeform: surely some could be found. the journarasts should work harder.

15:13:36 asciilifeform: at some point you'll have to demonstrate a cyanide tooth to be even considered a proper candidate for satoshidom.

15:14:17 mircea_popescu: satoshidom

15:14:18 mircea_popescu: lmao.

15:14:24 pLambert: do we know that Satoshi is a male?

15:14:37 mircea_popescu: satoshidoms and satoshidommes, at the bcst!

15:14:54 mircea_popescu: pLambert i was merely commenting on the people held up for the role by the media so far.

15:14:57 mircea_popescu: we don't know jack.

15:15:03 asciilifeform: pLambert: how anyone can claim to know anything at all about s, is a mystery.

15:15:28 chetty: hmmmmm sounds like a great halloween costume :satoshidommes

15:15:45 asciilifeform: the best evident for nsatoshi, for instance, is the grungy cpp

15:15:54 asciilifeform: rather than anything posted under the name

15:17:24 mircea_popescu: TC: Does it matter? What would it change if it did, in your opinion?

15:17:24 mircea_popescu: SG: I think it?s very important to identify Satoshi at this point in Bitcoin?s history. The ?agenda? behind Bitcoin, if there is any, cannot stay in the shadow if Bitcoin is to become a mainstream alternative currency, a challenge to the world?s monetary status quo. There has been speculation that Bitcoin may have been created by a government agency (the main employers of cryptographers of mathematicians) in

15:17:24 mircea_popescu: an attempt to make financial transactions easier to mine for interesting data patterns: we need to clear that up before we start relying heavily on Bitcoin in our lives.

15:17:31 mircea_popescu: no but check out the stupid.

15:17:36 mircea_popescu: people are incredible.

15:18:01 mircea_popescu: TC: How has your digging gone over in the BTC community? It seems like an unpopular topic at best.

15:18:01 mircea_popescu: SG: It has not been received well, many people are telling me to ?leave Satoshi alone?. But when one starts having a huge impact on the world, one loses his right to anonymity.

15:18:02 mircea_popescu: orly.

15:18:13 mircea_popescu: i gotta stop reading on this topic jesus god they're offensive.

15:18:14 asciilifeform: ;;google sympathetic magic

15:18:14 gribble: Sympathetic magic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sympathetic_magic; Chapter 3. Sympathetic Magic. § 1. The Principles of Magic. Frazer ...: http://www.bartleby.com/196/5.html; Sympathetic magic - Merriam-Webster Online: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sympathetic%20magic

15:18:21 asciilifeform: ;;google ritual cleanliness

15:18:22 gribble: Ritual purification - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ritual_purification; Ritual washing in Judaism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ritual_washing_in_Judaism; Tumah and taharah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tumah_and_taharah

15:19:39 asciilifeform: tomorrow's headline: 'vlad p signs message with satoshi's key, asking idiots to stfu'

15:20:25 asciilifeform: incidentally, anyone who does so... will be satoshi

15:20:29 asciilifeform: or at least a fork.

15:21:17 mircea_popescu: actually this suggests a bet to me.

15:21:55 asciilifeform: i thought people didn't like 'geological' bets.

15:23:52 nubbins`: first shoulder trimmed and cubed

15:23:58 nubbins`: hands like claws

15:27:31 mircea_popescu: meh, too hard to specify.

15:27:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0425001 = 0.17 BTC [-] {2}

15:29:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 27 @ 0.004379 = 0.1182 BTC [+]

15:37:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00432559 = 0.2163 BTC [-] {3}

15:37:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07489655 = 0.3745 BTC [+] {2}

15:38:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07489654 = 0.3745 BTC [-]

15:39:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 4 @ 0.04399999 = 0.176 BTC [-] {2}

15:39:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 299 @ 0.0042924 = 1.2834 BTC [-] {5}

15:43:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00429 = 0.429 BTC [-] {2}

15:44:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 125 @ 0.00429 = 0.5363 BTC [-]

15:47:14 nubbins`: so i sent a coin to australia on january 14. it took nineteen days to get from here to vancouver, and finally arrived in australia today

15:47:47 nubbins`: what a wait!

15:51:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0842 = 0.421 BTC [-]

15:55:18 ThickAsThieves: http://www.theverge.com/2014/3/6/5476944/norway-will-cut-through-an-island-in-tribute-to-massacre-victims

15:55:18 ozbot: Norway will cut through an island in tribute to massacre victims | The Verge

16:00:23 cazalla: that's quite a long time nubbins`

16:00:41 cazalla: maybe it was stuck at customs

16:01:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 47 @ 0.00436999 = 0.2054 BTC [+] {3}

16:01:23 cazalla: with standard shipping, i usually get amazon orders to here in around 2 weeks

16:02:44 nubbins`: i've never had anything take so long -- wondering what shape the package will be in when it arrives

16:02:57 nubbins`: 19 days to cross canada is nuts :0

16:04:11 ThickAsThieves: maybe it was intercepted

16:04:42 mircea_popescu: inception

16:06:16 nubbins`: ThickAsThieves, that's pretty striking

16:06:24 nubbins`: (re: link)

16:07:17 nubbins`: re: package, my guess is the express shipping label somehow got ripped off

16:07:23 nubbins`: and it went surface

16:07:55 ThickAsThieves: i can't recall a better memorial idea

16:08:02 nubbins`: at least the month and a half of panicking is over. guy paid 6btc for the coin inside, via escrow

16:09:02 ThickAsThieves: maybe have the guy photograph it before opening the package

16:09:10 ThickAsThieves: in case it was tampered with

16:09:34 nubbins`: yeah, conditions included hd video of unpackaging

16:09:38 nubbins`: can't be too careful

16:10:30 nubbins`: this buyer was the only person so far who took me up on the offer to extend the pgp chain of custody

16:18:28 dexX7: nubbins` you already used super slow shipping for the baked cat shirts, so i'm not surprised :p

16:19:08 nubbins`: well, that was more practicality than anything. nobody wants to spend $30 shipping on a $15 shirt

16:19:23 nubbins`: coins, i send express :D

16:20:19 dexX7: was it a redeemed one?

16:21:18 nubbins`: nope

16:21:39 dexX7: :)

16:21:42 nubbins`: i only ever peeled one casascius coin (0.5btc brass)

16:21:45 nubbins`: was thrilling

16:23:29 nubbins`: for about a minute

16:23:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07000006 = 0.28 BTC [-]

16:23:35 KRS-One: You need to get out more nubbins`

16:23:35 nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/bitcoin-exchange-first-meta-ceo-autumn-radtke-found-dead-1.2562077

16:23:36 ozbot: Bitcoin exchange First Meta CEO Autumn Radtke found dead - Technology & Science - CBC News

16:23:46 mircea_popescu: http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m37j6y9SXS1ru9xfzo1_1280.jpg

16:23:50 nubbins`: KRS-One: the problem is how to entertain myself while i'm in!

16:24:31 mircea_popescu: nubbins` http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2014#545213

16:24:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.0690001 = 2.07 BTC [-] {3}

16:24:36 nubbins`: gah

16:24:40 mircea_popescu: dun dun dun

16:25:05 nubbins`: sadtrumpet.mp3

16:25:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06801001 = 0.204 BTC [-]

16:26:00 dexX7: there are several headlines with "bitcoin ceo died" =D

16:26:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06801 = 0.6801 BTC [-]

16:27:43 nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/could-bars-open-until-6-a-m-be-in-montreal-s-future-1.2562057

16:27:44 ozbot: Could bars open until 6 a.m. be in Montreal's future? - Montreal - CBC News

16:27:46 nubbins`: ^ HEH

16:27:51 nubbins`: cops are gonna love that

16:28:20 nubbins`: this will last until the first hockey game

16:29:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04259 = 0.1278 BTC [+]

16:30:45 ThickAsThieves: http://www.coindesk.com/upcoming-version-bitcoinj-software-will-use-tor-network/

16:30:55 ThickAsThieves: Hearn keeps on giving

16:31:26 ThickAsThieves: http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2014/03/05/most-popular-bitcoin-apps-soon-to-run-on-tor-anonymity-network/

16:31:26 ozbot: Most Popular Bitcoin Apps Soon To Run On Tor Anonymity Network - Forbes

16:31:28 ThickAsThieves: ^ source

16:31:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 54 @ 0.04297777 = 2.3208 BTC [+] {3}

16:31:47 benkay: *sigh*

16:32:18 nubbins`: forbes.com/sites/

16:32:25 nubbins`: is where i stopped reading

16:32:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.04339994 = 0.1736 BTC [+] {2}

16:32:55 ThickAsThieves: i dont think it's quite the same as CNN/sites/

16:33:20 ThickAsThieves: might just be where they keep their "columnists"

16:34:18 nubbins`: oh, i think you might be right

16:39:51 dexX7: kakobrekla: another orphaned block? https://blockchain.info/block-height/288294 + http://pastebin.com/xLFmbfD0

16:40:19 dexX7: the bci block has 693 txs

16:42:09 kakobrekla: yeah dunno

16:44:51 dexX7: *the real one has 693 (instead of 554)

16:45:22 kakobrekla: yes also the hash matches real hash on blockr

16:47:46 kakobrekla: interestingly enough dexX7 , tx fees match perfectly

16:47:53 kakobrekla: only 150txes missing

16:47:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 12 @ 0.0846 = 1.0152 BTC [+]

16:48:44 dexX7: yea. the one from earlier was fixed on bc.info in the meantime

16:48:49 mircea_popescu: so is this coindesk basically a hand aggregator of the retarded press ?

16:48:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 25 @ 0.0055 = 0.1375 BTC

16:49:01 mircea_popescu: some kid just sits and googles forbes, business dorksider etc all day ?

16:49:43 nubbins`: reading an article about Staples closing 225 stores and there's a quote from some asshole about "right-sizing" their retail footprint

16:49:47 nubbins`: fuck, i hate business speak

16:50:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 75 @ 0.00436983 = 0.3277 BTC [+] {5}

16:50:09 nubbins`: back when i worked in a fabric-covered box, i walked past an office and overheard the woman inside talking about a "head count reduction"

16:50:16 kakobrekla: dexX7 well what can i say, blockr seems more reliable :)

16:50:26 nubbins`: nobody's getting fired, we're just going to count people, and if you don't get counted you're not getting paid

16:50:27 dexX7: indeed. i like the website

16:50:35 mircea_popescu: dexX7 this may be more or less the time one removes any large btc balances from blockchain

16:51:37 kakobrekla: dexX7 001ef3beb93da31ca03a0643951c594623df5f4fb670536a07614ea7c23053e4 might be the problem

16:51:50 kakobrekla: and it seems its the tx that they made

16:52:14 kakobrekla: so it seems they have a prob with their own txes

16:52:58 mircea_popescu: hence my comment.

16:53:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.08463509 = 0.5924 BTC [+] {3}

16:53:09 dexX7: the note only means that the tx was relayed or broadcasted by bci

16:53:16 dexX7: the tx has actually 928 confirmations

16:53:33 kakobrekla: http://blockchain.info/tx/001ef3beb93da31ca03a0643951c594623df5f4fb670536a07614ea7c23053e4 vs http://blockr.io/tx/info/001ef3beb93da31ca03a0643951c594623df5f4fb670536a07614ea7c23053e4 vs http://blockexplorer.com/tx/001ef3beb93da31ca03a0643951c594623df5f4fb670536a07614ea7c23053e4

16:53:38 ozbot: Bitcoin Transaction 001ef3beb93da31ca03a0643951c594623df5f4fb670536a07614ea7c23053e4

16:54:19 mircea_popescu: "hypothesis on why I think the real Sotoshi was found"

16:54:25 mircea_popescu: defonituly.

16:55:05 nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/female-westjet-pilot-posts-passenger-s-sexist-note-on-facebook-1.2559603

16:55:06 ozbot: Female WestJet pilot posts passenger's sexist note on Facebook - British Columbia - CBC News

16:55:20 kakobrekla: yeah, its not 100% from them, but likely

16:55:39 nubbins`: "I respectfully disagree with your opinion that the 'cockpit,' (we now call it the flight deck as no cocks are required), is no place for a lady. In fact, there are no places that are not for ladies anymore."

16:55:44 nubbins`: HAHAHAHA PLUS ONE

16:57:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.04307995 = 0.2154 BTC [-] {2}

16:57:08 ThickAsThieves: mp, dr greg is calling you out https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=350103.msg5550181#msg5550181

16:57:23 mircea_popescu: out of the cockpit ?

16:58:02 ThickAsThieves: more of an i-told-you-so

16:58:15 mircea_popescu: "Too funny. Despite the incoherence of his blog post, at least MP has finally stepped up and conceded the incompetence of his former approach to options market making. For finally admitting that and quitting the business of options market making without being adequately prepared, he deserves a positive acknowledgement."

16:58:17 mircea_popescu: derp ?

16:58:26 mircea_popescu: dude that moore idiot should have been shot.

16:59:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.37038703 BTC to 3`597 shares, 65899 satoshi per share

16:59:43 mircea_popescu: because the us failed to execute him, the entire country is now full of losers who imagine that if they somehow pour drivel which happens to contain references to GM's CEO they somehow gain relevance.

17:01:59 kakobrekla: dexX7 apparently it was fixed, perhaps they are reading assets logs or something

17:02:16 dexX7: hehe

17:02:49 ThickAsThieves: someone should poke them to explain why it happened and won't happen again

17:03:00 kakobrekla: but it will!

17:03:03 ThickAsThieves: ^ Cary ^

17:04:32 mircea_popescu: maybe they, you know, independently audit their own chainz

17:04:54 kakobrekla: the block was a week old

17:04:59 kakobrekla: or smth

17:05:09 mircea_popescu: 900 confirms huh

17:05:11 mircea_popescu: yeah i guess.

17:05:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04200299 = 0.126 BTC [-] {2}

17:06:07 kakobrekla: schrodingers blockchain

17:07:31 mircea_popescu: so today i woke up to the pirate sec deposition, and i had to interrupt my launch because some overqualified stripper went off the deep end in newsweek

17:07:47 mircea_popescu: the theory that three's a charm is kind-of giving me goosebumps atm.

17:07:55 mircea_popescu: s/launch/lunch

17:14:51 lnovy: mircea_popescu: i've just read mpoe february 2014 statement and I cannot hold myself to tell you this: Good job.

17:15:46 kakobrekla: are you like dr gregs evil brother?

17:16:26 lnovy: i have my own asshole brother :)

17:19:04 kakobrekla: luxury

17:21:14 ThickAsThieves: i wonder how these AUR are being "air-dropped"

17:21:21 ThickAsThieves: in the mailbox? to be stolen?

17:21:41 mircea_popescu: lnovy ty.

17:21:59 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves prolly some website thing

17:22:50 ThickAsThieves: "MazaCoin is a fork of ZetaCoin and unlike Bitcoin, is inflationary, making it possible for new coins to be mined over time."

17:22:52 ThickAsThieves: painful

17:23:11 ThickAsThieves: what is Asicminer mining then?

17:23:27 mircea_popescu: old coins

17:23:49 nubbins`: heh.

17:23:59 mircea_popescu: what's an asshole brother lnovy ?!

17:25:29 lnovy: mircea_popescu: that was just a quick to-be-funny reaction

17:25:50 lnovy: i failed obviously

17:26:31 mircea_popescu: interesting concept nevertheless.

17:27:53 lnovy: indeed

17:30:08 ThickAsThieves: it's when you bump assholes with a guy, swapping anal cooties, making you asshole brothers

17:32:16 nubbins`: poop swap

17:32:21 nubbins`: like blood brothers

17:32:55 nubbins`: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dS2QwKRhnds

17:32:56 ozbot: Ass to Ass Loop - Requiem for a Dream - YouTube

17:33:07 benkay: nubbins`: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fecal_bacteriotherapy

17:44:00 ThickAsThieves: http://gawker.com/a-letter-from-ray-jasper-who-is-about-to-be-executed-1536073598

17:44:00 ozbot: A Letter From Ray Jasper, Who Is About to Be Executed

18:03:04 kakobrekla: http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=503566.0

18:03:05 ozbot: Safello launches complete redesign of website as it gears up for European expans

18:03:48 mircea_popescu: which one is this one ?

18:04:06 kakobrekla: >Safello announces a $600k investment round lead by prominent Bitcoin advocates Erik Voorhees and Roger Ver joined by Blockchain.info CEO Nicolas Cary and angel investors Victor & Victor. The Sweden based company also launches a complete redesign of their website to gear up for their European expansion as the safest way into Bitcoin.

18:04:23 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves that thing is beyond fake.

18:13:06 ThickAsThieves: the letter is fake?

18:15:22 mircea_popescu: unless you're telling me an unemployable black kid that supplemented his dole payments with robbery somehow went to vassar while in a texas jail.

18:15:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5800001 BTC [+]

18:17:19 mircea_popescu: really badly written, too. "When I first responded to you, I didn't think that it would cause people to reach out to me and voice their opinions. I've never been on the internet in my life and I'm not fully aware of the social circles on the internet, so it was a surprise to receive reactions so quickly."

18:17:24 *: ThickAsThieves shrugs

18:17:30 ThickAsThieves: not sure it matters

18:17:32 ThickAsThieves: http://coinchomp.com/2014/03/06/journalist-harasses-man-believes-bitcoin-founder/

18:17:33 ozbot: Journalist Harrasses Man Believing Him to be Bitcoin Founder Satoshi Nakamoto - CoinChomp

18:17:38 mircea_popescu: "here's what some libertard that's been on the internet all her lyf thinks a guy who's not would say"

18:18:22 ThickAsThieves: maybe he has a mentor, i dunno

18:20:59 mircea_popescu: yeah. a mentor that's never talked to anyone who's not online.

18:21:16 mircea_popescu: nor gives a shit about anything but how the story should read for maximal impact in the mouthbreather herd.

18:26:19 deadweasel: ^ this is what I saw in this and the first letter.

18:26:26 deadweasel: it's as if the anti death penalty league wrote it

18:27:21 mike_c: he slit the guy's throat. but the guy didn't die and his accomplice finished him off.

18:29:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0055 = 0.275 BTC

18:38:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23003 @ 0.00087007 = 20.0142 BTC [+]

18:44:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.60181866 = 3.0091 BTC [+] {5}

18:45:29 dexX7: https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Ffirstmonday.org%2Fojs%2Findex.php%2Ffm%2Farticle%2FviewFile%2F474%2F830%2F5678&t=537&c=FLUTTcM5qE6Bcw looky, allegedly from 1995

18:45:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 124 @ 0.63307968 = 78.5019 BTC [+] {31}

18:46:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.65 = 5.2 BTC [+]

18:46:57 dexX7: boom

18:47:07 benkay`: dexX7: mystical buttcorns

18:48:53 ThickAsThieves: dats a lotta AM

18:55:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.64846153 = 8.43 BTC [-] {6}

18:56:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.65 BTC [+]

18:57:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 75 @ 0.00574967 = 0.4312 BTC [+] {4}

18:57:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 730 @ 0.00435204 = 3.177 BTC [+] {9}

18:58:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 150 @ 0.00438863 = 0.6583 BTC [+] {15}

18:59:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 30 @ 0.00438915 = 0.1317 BTC [+] {4}

19:09:47 the20year2: RENT will start trading/non-IPO trading tomorrow around noon

19:11:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.07488998 = 0.674 BTC [-] {2}

19:12:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07489405 = 0.4494 BTC [+] {3}

19:12:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 300 @ 0.00574988 = 1.725 BTC [-] {4}

19:13:06 benkay`: how much of a selloff are you expecting, the20year2?

19:14:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0863266 = 0.259 BTC [+] {2}

19:15:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 617 @ 0.00574993 = 3.5477 BTC [+]

19:16:21 mike_c: ;;calc (78534-24564)*0.0055

19:16:21 gribble: 296.835

19:16:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 35 @ 0.00444777 = 0.1557 BTC [+]

19:16:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 635 @ 0.00574995 = 3.6512 BTC [+] {2}

19:16:49 benkay`: !t h rent

19:16:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (674 shares, 3.70700000 BTC), 7D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (11826 shares, 65.04300000 BTC), 30D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (53970 shares, 296.83500000 BTC)

19:17:19 mike_c: 300 btc. not sure what to make of that.

19:17:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 80 @ 0.00575 = 0.46 BTC [+]

19:17:34 benkay`: the20year2: are you willing to lend me some shares?

19:18:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 51 @ 0.00579947 = 0.2958 BTC [+] {4}

19:19:18 the20year2: Depends on how much money you send me

19:19:31 the20year2: Benkay, i'm expecting price to rise to .006 or .007

19:20:02 mircea_popescu: o.O

19:20:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 47 @ 0.0055 = 0.2585 BTC

19:20:30 benkay`: i'll put collateral on deposit with someone, not you

19:20:36 benkay`: maybe i just want to do a bitbet

19:20:40 the20year2: You were the one asking for handouts :D

19:20:49 benkay`: hey, watch your mouth.

19:20:51 benkay`: i will collateralize.

19:21:28 benkay`: ThickAsThieves: ping

19:21:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 16 @ 0.04399999 = 0.704 BTC [-] {2}

19:21:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 24 @ 0.00589 = 0.1414 BTC [+]

19:22:40 benkay`: the20year2: assume i have btc and can collateralize a position. are you willing to lend me shares?

19:23:11 mike_c: what are you going to do with them? you can't sell them until ipo is off. tough to short if it gaps down.

19:23:41 the20year2: I guess so? You'd have to send me more details

19:25:36 the20year2: IPO ends tomorrow at noon

19:25:52 benkay`: mike_c: pm

19:29:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1088 @ 0.00446484 = 4.8577 BTC [+] {9}

19:30:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 912 @ 0.00449559 = 4.1 BTC [+] {4}

19:31:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 400 @ 0.00089565 = 0.3583 BTC [+] {2}

19:33:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.6466 = 1.9398 BTC [-] {2}

19:34:00 r3wt: ;;bcauth

19:34:01 gribble: (bcauth <nick>) -- Initiate authentication for user <nick>. You must have registered with the bot with a bitcoin address for this to work. You will be given a random passphrase to sign with your address, and submit to the bot with the 'bcverify' command. Your passphrase will expire within 10 minutes.

19:34:07 r3wt: ;;bcauth r3wt

19:34:08 gribble: Request successful for user r3wt, hostmask r3wt!add82c3d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.216.44.61. Your challenge string is: freenode:#bitcoin-otc:7022ce55a1580f78f4ef9c40738c3eb47ee2495c1571a59ea183aedd

19:34:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 60 @ 0.00589786 = 0.3539 BTC [+] {4}

19:35:01 B007: well this guy http://arstechnica.com/business/2014/03/bitcoin-creator-satoshi-nakamoto-revealed-after-years-of-mystery/ lives 2 hours away from me

19:35:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.0059585 = 0.2383 BTC [+] {2}

19:35:59 B007: I wonder if people will start showing up at his house now asking for bitcoin

19:37:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.645 BTC [-]

19:39:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 96 @ 0.00449998 = 0.432 BTC [+] {4}

19:39:48 Phraust: or with $5 wrenches.

19:40:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 230 @ 0.00449999 = 1.035 BTC [+]

19:41:07 B007: I'm temped to show up myself lol

19:41:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 37 @ 0.07000012 = 2.59 BTC [-] {4}

19:42:27 deadweasel: no.

19:43:27 B007: ok

19:43:51 mike_c: no point. either he is the guy and deserves some respect, or he isn't and you're annoying some stranger

19:48:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07 = 0.49 BTC [-] {2}

19:55:49 dexX7: http://www.coindesk.com/bitstamp-audit-proves-behind-147m-mystery-bitcoin-wallet/

19:56:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 29 @ 0.0055 = 0.1595 BTC

19:58:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 118 @ 0.00555319 = 0.6553 BTC [+] {3}

19:59:29 dexX7: at that time about 20-25k btc were on the books.. wouldn't have assumed that there was so much sleeping money/coins x.x

20:00:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.07599992 = 0.608 BTC [+]

20:00:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC

20:01:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 72 @ 0.0055 = 0.396 BTC

20:01:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 24 @ 0.07798294 = 1.8716 BTC [+] {5}

20:17:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 444 @ 0.0045 = 1.998 BTC [+]

20:17:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 32 @ 0.66514997 = 21.2848 BTC [+] {14}

20:19:31 pLambert: what is S.MNKY going to be?

20:20:18 nubbins`: a barrel of fun?

20:21:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 219 @ 0.0055 = 1.2045 BTC

20:27:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 103 @ 0.00598999 = 0.617 BTC [+] {6}

20:27:48 mike_c: s.mnky is going to implement the infinite monkey protocol.

20:28:19 mike_c: http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2795.txt

20:28:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 80 @ 0.00598999 = 0.4792 BTC [+] {3}

20:29:34 jurov: prolly ends up as reference RFC implementation

20:30:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.67 = 1.34 BTC [+]

20:31:55 jurov: mircea_popescu: consider asking MPOE-PR to announce on trolltalk that S.MNKY is hiring :DDD

20:32:15 rithm: hi

20:32:28 nubbins`: jcpham was a better nick

20:33:08 rithm: yo mam

20:33:09 rithm: a

20:33:17 nubbins`: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMPM1q_Uyxc

20:33:17 ozbot: Rhythm is a dancer - YouTube

20:33:29 mike_c: genius jurov. put the forum to good use for once.

20:33:44 rithm: satoshi convinced me

20:34:13 ThickAsThieves: sup benkay

20:34:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 18 @ 0.00599999 = 0.108 BTC [+]

20:35:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07999397 = 0.24 BTC [+]

20:43:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 102 @ 0.0055 = 0.561 BTC

20:46:13 nubbins`: i forgot how much i like skinny puppy

20:46:18 nubbins`: some of their earlier shit is insane

20:47:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.005999 = 0.12 BTC [-]

20:49:10 mircea_popescu: jurov lol maybe an idea

20:49:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 37 @ 0.00449991 = 0.1665 BTC [-]

20:51:55 mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/776/light-sweet-crude-oil-wti-jan-2015-over/#c2568

20:51:56 ozbot: BitBet - Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) Jan 2015 over $200 at any point in 2014

20:52:05 mircea_popescu: today in "Bitcoin People Are Insane" :

20:52:29 mircea_popescu: guy that has no idea how to work cmegroup.com wants to bet on the oil price

20:52:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 115 @ 0.00449991 = 0.5175 BTC [-]

21:02:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 69 @ 0.00449991 = 0.3105 BTC [-]

21:02:13 ThickAsThieves: We Are All Bitcoin https://bitcoinfoundation.org/blog/?p=510

21:03:18 ThickAsThieves: "Everyone who is involved in Bitcoin understands the strength of the design." do they?

21:03:46 nubbins`: depends on your definition of "involved" :D

21:03:57 ThickAsThieves: bleh, buncha hot air text

21:03:59 ThickAsThieves: TLDR

21:04:14 mircea_popescu: garzik trying to undo piles of piled idiocy.

21:04:47 nubbins`: twist: leah mcgrath goodman is satoshi nakamoto

21:05:14 ThickAsThieves: and married to John Goodman

21:05:17 Namworld: Well I hear government backing of a fiat currency gives value, but faith does not give innate value to a fiat like BTC. Apparently if I disagree and claim both are fiat, without innate value and purely faith based valuation, I don't know what I'm talking about.

21:05:26 Namworld: It's nice to know only faith in government counts.

21:05:51 mircea_popescu: you're preachin' to the choir.

21:06:08 ThickAsThieves: "Jeff Garzik is an engineer, blogger, futurist and entrepreneur. "

21:06:14 nubbins`: futurist!

21:06:16 ThickAsThieves: how do i become a futurisy?

21:06:18 Namworld: I know.

21:06:18 ThickAsThieves: t

21:06:24 nubbins`: first step is to become a wizard

21:06:34 ThickAsThieves: can i also be a pastist

21:06:40 nubbins`: second step is to call yourself a futurist instead of a wizard

21:06:43 ThickAsThieves: or a presenist

21:06:44 ThickAsThieves: t

21:06:53 nubbins`: pastists are called throwbacks

21:07:12 nubbins`: or codgers if they're really good at it

21:07:12 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves pastits are the guys who attack the pasties to the tits.

21:07:28 jurov: not 1337 enough.. should be phuturist instead

21:07:31 nubbins`: attack with scissors

21:07:45 mircea_popescu: or maybe a fartist

21:07:48 mircea_popescu: like a far seeing fart artist

21:07:50 nubbins`: god DAMN there are some good smells coming up the stairs

21:07:56 assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1695879/plain/)

21:07:56 mircea_popescu: !b 2

21:08:09 nubbins`: i've been boiling some pork bones for 4 hours now

21:08:30 nubbins`: i suspect p just lifted the lid to stir

21:09:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0055 = 0.275 BTC

21:11:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 120 @ 0.0055 = 0.66 BTC

21:14:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.00599 = 0.1198 BTC [-]

21:20:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.63000201 = 1.26 BTC [-]

21:21:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04250006 = 0.1275 BTC [-] {2}

21:22:17 mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/3aGHJHc.jpg

21:25:30 nubbins`: would wear

21:25:47 mircea_popescu: ;p;

21:28:15 mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/575U3WI.gif

21:35:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 912 @ 0.00052059 = 0.4748 BTC [-] {6}

21:37:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 204 @ 0.0055 = 1.122 BTC {2}

21:41:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC

21:42:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07249999 = 0.725 BTC [+]

21:42:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 65 @ 0.0055 = 0.3575 BTC

21:46:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.07260011 = 0.6534 BTC [+] {2}

21:53:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 20 @ 0.00519874 = 0.104 BTC [-]

21:59:27 BingoBoingo: Is S.MNKY hiring a futurist?

22:03:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 200 @ 0.0055 = 1.1 BTC

22:06:01 benkay: it's your MNKY moment, BingoBoingo.

22:06:15 benkay: MNK(S.)Y

22:07:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC

22:09:45 jurov: BingoBoingo: no, that would be X.MNKY

22:10:32 mircea_popescu: lol

22:11:10 mircea_popescu: "i feel the need to add this otherwise lame alt exchange pre-announcement

22:11:10 mircea_popescu: thread to today's notes due to my distinct impression i'm watching signals

22:11:10 mircea_popescu: pass through a colony of penguins."

22:11:59 BingoBoingo: jurov: Ah.

22:14:23 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo btw, any atc sold into your bid ?

22:15:41 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Not yet

22:15:57 mircea_popescu: wonder what all the miners are doing with their loot.

22:16:58 BingoBoingo: Well, someone bought an ask.

22:17:01 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=1.0

22:17:02 ozbot: Bitcoin Discussion

22:17:12 mircea_popescu: kinda lovely how the spirit oif the discussion has changed.

22:17:27 mircea_popescu: from 5 threads hyping the OMG SATOSHI FOUND angle we're now on to "omg media lied".

22:19:07 benkay: mircea_popescu: cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/03/06_you-have-not-found-satoshi.html

22:19:46 dexX7: don't forget about all those "this poor guys life is scwered, people will murder him 1000 %" posts

22:20:42 nubbins`: http://imgur.com/N8ifBU8

22:20:43 ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

22:20:47 nubbins`: going on 6 hours now

22:20:53 nubbins`: still not sure what i'm doing with it ;(

22:21:06 mircea_popescu: benkay pretty much

22:21:23 mircea_popescu: nubbins` add beans, bottle the gas.

22:21:28 nubbins`: heh

22:21:32 rithm: lol

22:21:40 nubbins`: you can see the high water mark on the side of the pot

22:22:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 109 @ 0.00439999 = 0.4796 BTC [+] {3}

22:22:53 benkay: nubbins`: soak oats overnight in that shit

22:22:56 benkay: savory oatmeal

22:23:04 nubbins`: ehh, not a fan of oatmean

22:23:07 nubbins`: *oatmeal

22:23:11 benkay: steel cut oats?

22:23:16 benkay: the nubbly things?

22:23:19 mircea_popescu: "Yesterday the CEO of Bitcoin got bankrupt, today they found the founder...."

22:23:22 nubbins`: if i can find bean paste, i might make 감자탕 (gamjatang)

22:23:26 mircea_popescu: no srsly, i'm like fucking proud of the forum suddenly.

22:23:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0433988 = 0.1302 BTC [+]

22:23:32 mircea_popescu: it's like... +1000 points

22:24:07 nubbins`: only 8k short

22:25:15 rithm: yep

22:25:20 mircea_popescu: sometyhing like that

22:25:42 mircea_popescu: pirateat40 hey i hear pirateat40 repaid your bitxoinz

22:26:55 mircea_popescu: " @stacyherbert ? 3h Great work by #KeiserReport regular @truth_eater. I had NO idea she was working on the story of 21st century!"

22:27:15 mircea_popescu: lol is there any shit keiser fails to taste ?

22:27:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.63000201 BTC [-]

22:29:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0433988 = 0.217 BTC [+]

22:30:40 nubbins`: https://twitter.com/DorianSatoshi

22:30:40 nubbins`: i lel'd

22:30:41 ozbot: Dorian S. Nakamoto (DorianSatoshi) on Twitter

22:31:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2100 @ 0.00087007 = 1.8271 BTC [+]

22:33:49 mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/DorianSatoshi/status/441689519193350144 lol

22:33:49 ozbot: Twitter / DorianSatoshi: Hypothetically speaking, how ...

22:34:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.63899999 = 1.917 BTC [+]

22:37:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07399999 = 0.37 BTC [-]

22:40:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.63899999 = 1.278 BTC [+]

22:43:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 547 @ 0.0055 = 3.0085 BTC

22:43:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.07585076 = 0.6068 BTC [+] {3}

22:44:01 nubbins`: dat am1

22:44:09 nubbins`: HEADING STRAIGHT BACK TO 5

22:44:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 32 @ 0.07450096 = 2.384 BTC [-] {6}

22:45:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0730001 = 0.73 BTC [-] {2}

22:46:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.0434 = 0.3906 BTC [+]

22:48:18 mircea_popescu: "In the late 60's, Termen left spy work and got a university job doing acoustical research. One day a visiting Western journalist ran in to Termen, and unfortunately reported the fact that he was still alive in the New York Times.

22:48:18 mircea_popescu: This was too much for Termen's boss, who took all of Termen's musical instruments outside and chopped them up with an axe. ?Electricity is only good for making electric chairs,? he explained. And that was the end of Termen's university career.

22:48:18 mircea_popescu: This is what oppression often looks like. No one called from Moscow and told this guy to destroy Termen's work. But he didn't care to stick his neck out, and took a proactive approach."

22:48:46 mircea_popescu: this is quite relevant for bitcoin. living in an oppressive, totalitarian regime does not mean obama orders your business destroyed

22:48:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.04345 = 0.1738 BTC [+]

22:49:02 mircea_popescu: it simply means that you can't find a us bank that'' work with you.

22:49:18 mircea_popescu: because "aml", which is to say... didn't care to stick its neck out.

23:03:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 22 @ 0.10885293 = 2.3948 BTC [-] {8}

23:08:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 22 @ 0.005999 = 0.132 BTC [+]

23:11:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4550 @ 0.00087095 = 3.9628 BTC [+]

23:12:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.63 = 1.26 BTC [-] {2}

23:13:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18900 @ 0.00087013 = 16.4455 BTC [-] {2}

23:14:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.075 = 0.15 BTC [-]

23:20:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.075 = 0.225 BTC [-]

23:27:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6492121 BTC [+]

23:28:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07399999 = 0.37 BTC [-]

23:29:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11850 @ 0.00086899 = 10.2975 BTC [-] {3}

23:30:23 mircea_popescu: ;;tslb

23:30:25 gribble: Time since last block: 8 minutes and 16 seconds ago

23:30:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 215 @ 0.0055 = 1.1825 BTC

23:30:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07399999 = 0.37 BTC [-]

23:41:09 wao-ender: heh aml

23:41:16 wao-ender: I still wondering how I will evade it.

23:41:22 wao-ender: oh, co-operate, right.

23:42:24 B007: http://bitbet.us/bet/635/1btc-10-000-usd/ someone needs to bet a bunch of bitcoin >1000

23:42:28 ozbot: BitBet - 1BTC >= $10,000 USD

23:43:25 mircea_popescu: that promises to be an interesting bet.

23:44:17 mike_c: wow, no faith. http://bitbet.us/bet/779/bitcoin-price-above-1000-before-april/

23:44:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 34 @ 0.005 = 0.17 BTC [-]

23:49:25 mircea_popescu: mike_c lol

23:49:30 mircea_popescu: im sure someone will eventually.

23:49:59 mircea_popescu: nice arbitrage op there anyway, the 10k bet shows 3:2, the 1k bet shows 100:1 ?!

23:50:56 ThickAsThieves: lol did you guys see the Satoshi free lunch thing?

23:51:21 ThickAsThieves: http://instagram.com/p/lNv9-_QaNF

23:51:22 ozbot: Instagram

23:51:28 mircea_popescu: yeah pretty good troll acct.

23:51:34 ThickAsThieves: no

23:51:36 ThickAsThieves: for reals

23:51:44 ThickAsThieves: he chose one reporter

23:51:49 ThickAsThieves: to go to sushi

23:51:51 mircea_popescu: yes yes

23:52:03 mircea_popescu: and started derping on twitter

23:52:12 mircea_popescu: makes perfect sens

23:52:13 mircea_popescu: e

23:52:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 23 @ 0.0055 = 0.1265 BTC